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jekje7 | 186 | Explaining how the rewrite works vs how autopilot currently works based on Elon and Karpathy statements. Based on a comment from another [thread](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments jejill what_will_the_rewrite_be_able_to_do_when_the ): & #x200B I think the current pre-rewrite version was pretty naïve in the way it was implemented (hindsight is 2020). The way Elon has explained it imagine if you were driving but had some crazy combination of narcolepsy and short term memory loss. Every half-second you fall asleep and wake up to a completely new world. You can see everything around you and recognize road markings cars traffic signals and signs just like normal but you can t remember anything from the previous time you were awake. You take some small action that you decide on based only on what you can currently see then fall asleep again. Repeat forever while trying to drive. Imagine seeing a stop sign starting to slow down then the next time you wake up it s slightly occluded by glare or a bush so you stop slowing down. Next time you wake up you can see it again start slowing down again. Starts to sound like some experiences I ve had with autopilot... The new version incorporates memory and time into the above example. Each time you fall asleep you can quickly write down everything you saw last time with reasonable accuracy and compare that to the new information you re seeing (yes I realize writing things down this quickly by hand is unreasonable). Not only can you calculate a relative velocity for things you recognized both times but if you saw something last time that you don t see not you can try to use that information to correct things. Maybe you look here you last saw a stop sign and now you see a bush that has something vaguely octagonal that you can t see clearly in it. It s probably the stop sign. keep slowing down. Write yourself a note to check again next time. This doesn t require much more on the hardware side other than the ability to store information about the last few runs some (decreasing with staleness) confidence level about them and the ability to run a classifier on a suspected object from an old frame and accept it with a lower confidence output from the Neural Net. & #x200B This is just my rough understanding based on several Elon tweets and interviews a few Karpathy talks I ve seen and my own knowledge of computer science and machine vision (I only have a BS in computer science but I took some machine learning and machine vision classes in college). Let me know if you think I m completely off base or if you think I m missing something to improve the analogy | Right so there have been two pretty major developments in computer vision since the first version of AP was introduced - attention (it s all you need) and efficient recurrent neural networks. Specifically these two things combined into something called a Transformer Neural Network (specifically Bidirectional Transformers) have really throw the door wide open in terms of efficient real time time series applications. This really took off around 2016 when the first papers on hierarchical attention models were published. Prior to this the state of the art for computer vision was more or less segmentation and naively recurrent neural networks in various flavors - that is classify instances of objects in one frame at a time and then pass this information to a time series processing block which will do basic things like track occlusion and translation. With hierarchical attention we get a whole lot more relevant context - basically we can cluster features and learn a hierarchy which exists in both space and time. So for example we could understand that a basic stop light is actually a traffic signal which is three different signals and four different states (red green yellow broken) and we can also learn how the states evolve over time (eg we know that green always follows red). Or in another example we can call an intersection a hierarchical structure of traffic signals and road patterns - so if we see a certain sign we will know to look for other kinds of signs or road markings in the near future. This I strongly suspect is what the 4D re-write is doing. It s bringing AP into the modern era of the last 4 years (lmao) of state-of-the-art networks which Google Facebook and OpenAI all already deploy. | and imagine before you had only 1 eye to recognize things - (2D) and now you have 2 eyes (3D) - helps mostly in depth detection. So I assume that stationary object detection will be solved means no more phantom braking.. that was the last remaining issue before Level 3 on highways could be reached. | 46 | 5 | 7,606 |
jep9qk | 145 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! We re going to start consolidating feature requests into a centralized thread posted every couple of weeks to better manage requests and to get good voting and discussion of specific features. If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. | Waypoints in navigation. Allow us to set multiple destinations in a route. And in the same line allow us to search on route and add something as waypoint. For example on a trip if we need a rest stop or to look for the nearest Chick Fil A on route should be able to search along route and add as waypoint. | I ll kick it off. **AC function and Quality of Life Enhancements** - If technically feasible allow the ability to turn off the passenger vent - Allow Default AC Settings for things like always keep rear vents on or always keep recirculation on . These are usually dependent on detected weight in the rear or what the car considers best for Auto setting and often don t always make sense if you have seats down (at least in my 3) and you have pets in the rear. It would be helpful to not have to do this first then this ... I think things should just have always set defaults to make sure things just stay the way we want. (Example: I need to manually turn on the rear vents for the pets to get better air flow but then also manually keep AC on when before I leave the car). It doesn t always do exactly as I expect and I m forgetful... the wife doesn t like that. Also having control of the rear vents would be helpful too. - Keep AC on when you leave a vehicle (for 10-15 min) until sleep. Sometimes I leave the vehicle and the wife needs to push on the drivers seat in order to wake the car and keep AC on. Touching the screen doesn t always work we ve tested it. So a default keep Climate On for x minutes would alleviate some further stress. We ve tried to alleviate this by setting her phone bluetooth at priority but it s a weird workaround that doesn t always work just right. - One-Tap Access to the Glove Box (preferebly near the passenger) Sometimes in my daily life w the family there are some nuances that don t always make sense from a vehicle usability standpoint. And trust me when I know there will be answers of you can just do this and then this... . Well my answer to those will be people are stubborn and having additional options is just great and I m forgetful . Tesla s are for the most part reactive and sometimes too smart for their own good and depending on the situation but those noted above tend to cause annoyances that I think could be resolved if the car acted like a dumb car with some things (kind of like creep mode). I think there are legitimate annoyances here that I think could be resolved pretty easily. I welcome your thoughts and I of course don t expect everyone to agree. And let me know if I m somehow missing something glaringly obvious. | 170 | 5 | 7,607 |
jep9qk | 145 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! We re going to start consolidating feature requests into a centralized thread posted every couple of weeks to better manage requests and to get good voting and discussion of specific features. If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. | Waypoints in navigation. Allow us to set multiple destinations in a route. And in the same line allow us to search on route and add something as waypoint. For example on a trip if we need a rest stop or to look for the nearest Chick Fil A on route should be able to search along route and add as waypoint. | Resizable rearview camera window that can be shifted around the screen (Model 3 Y). This would allow a smaller rear view camera feed that persists on top of the map (in an unobstructive way) so the driver doesn t have to toggle the feed on and off which is distracting. | 170 | 61 | 7,608 |
jep9qk | 145 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! We re going to start consolidating feature requests into a centralized thread posted every couple of weeks to better manage requests and to get good voting and discussion of specific features. If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. | Podcast overhaul. Let us use Spotify for podcast or have Tesla create their own Podcast app the TuneIn one is terrible. Weather radar overlay in the navigation Let us checkmark each day we need for schedule departure . Not everyone works M-F Let us choose the shortest route to a destination instead of quickest | Allow fast forwarding and rewinding music media by holding left scroll wheel right or left. | 95 | 2 | 7,609 |
jere7s | 447 | Tesla confirms new Model 3 sound proofing and HVAC Just got an email from Tesla Sweden confirming that the updated Model 3 has a new HVAC system and better sound proofing. I might have missed it but I don t think I ve seen this actually confirmed from official sources before. English translation: This winter you can drive the new Model 3 with a range of up to 580 km (WLTP). The new Model 3 Performance and Long Range now comes as standard with a new and upgraded climate system that maximises efficiency and range in cold climates. All new Model 3s now also have new interior and exterior upgrades such as black door handles and better sound proofing in the cabin. Link to screenshot: [https: imgur.com a eo0hs3y](https: imgur.com a eo0hs3y) | Can I trade my model 3 in every year like I do with my iPhone? | This must be referring to the rumors about the octovalve HVAC and laminated side windows. | 59 | 9 | 7,610 |
jere7s | 447 | Tesla confirms new Model 3 sound proofing and HVAC Just got an email from Tesla Sweden confirming that the updated Model 3 has a new HVAC system and better sound proofing. I might have missed it but I don t think I ve seen this actually confirmed from official sources before. English translation: This winter you can drive the new Model 3 with a range of up to 580 km (WLTP). The new Model 3 Performance and Long Range now comes as standard with a new and upgraded climate system that maximises efficiency and range in cold climates. All new Model 3s now also have new interior and exterior upgrades such as black door handles and better sound proofing in the cabin. Link to screenshot: [https: imgur.com a eo0hs3y](https: imgur.com a eo0hs3y) | Can I trade my model 3 in every year like I do with my iPhone? | Is this because the European Model 3 will be imported from China vs the US? I don t think US buyers will see this update for a little while. | 59 | 12 | 7,611 |
jere7s | 447 | Tesla confirms new Model 3 sound proofing and HVAC Just got an email from Tesla Sweden confirming that the updated Model 3 has a new HVAC system and better sound proofing. I might have missed it but I don t think I ve seen this actually confirmed from official sources before. English translation: This winter you can drive the new Model 3 with a range of up to 580 km (WLTP). The new Model 3 Performance and Long Range now comes as standard with a new and upgraded climate system that maximises efficiency and range in cold climates. All new Model 3s now also have new interior and exterior upgrades such as black door handles and better sound proofing in the cabin. Link to screenshot: [https: imgur.com a eo0hs3y](https: imgur.com a eo0hs3y) | Can I trade my model 3 in every year like I do with my iPhone? | I like how as a Dutch speaker I can sort of understand Swedish if I read it out loud in a funny voice. And of course I know the context haha. | 59 | 19 | 7,612 |
jesrim | 55 | Supercharging rates in San Diego jumped from $0.28-$0.31 up to $0.35-$0.36 per kWh I noticed a higher than expected charge from a supercharger yesterday. Checked my car this morning and saw roughly 25% price increases on all superchargers in San Diego. The Chargepoint next to Superchargers is still $0.25 so Tesla seems to be charging quite the premium for something that s not supposed to be a profit center. | I wouldn t jump to the conclusion that Tesla is upping the Supercharging rates to suddenly make money. Adjustments are made periodically to account for fluctuations in energy prices. Supercharger Business unit is also supposed to be revenues neutral but part of the costs are expanding the network. More Superchargers require funds to build and more funds to support. All those variables change the revenue needed to maintain the zero net revenue target. | jumped | 58 | 6 | 7,613 |
jesrim | 55 | Supercharging rates in San Diego jumped from $0.28-$0.31 up to $0.35-$0.36 per kWh I noticed a higher than expected charge from a supercharger yesterday. Checked my car this morning and saw roughly 25% price increases on all superchargers in San Diego. The Chargepoint next to Superchargers is still $0.25 so Tesla seems to be charging quite the premium for something that s not supposed to be a profit center. | I wouldn t jump to the conclusion that Tesla is upping the Supercharging rates to suddenly make money. Adjustments are made periodically to account for fluctuations in energy prices. Supercharger Business unit is also supposed to be revenues neutral but part of the costs are expanding the network. More Superchargers require funds to build and more funds to support. All those variables change the revenue needed to maintain the zero net revenue target. | Elon: Guess what? I announced a new lower price for our model S kekekeke Business people: ah crap. ok let s cut costs by killing the 7 day return and increasing supercharging costs. | 58 | 13 | 7,614 |
jesrim | 55 | Supercharging rates in San Diego jumped from $0.28-$0.31 up to $0.35-$0.36 per kWh I noticed a higher than expected charge from a supercharger yesterday. Checked my car this morning and saw roughly 25% price increases on all superchargers in San Diego. The Chargepoint next to Superchargers is still $0.25 so Tesla seems to be charging quite the premium for something that s not supposed to be a profit center. | Time to update the website s cost of ownership data. $36 for 350 miles of range is about the same as getting 25 mpg that s not very compelling by itself. | jumped | 42 | 6 | 7,615 |
jf0i8u | 71 | Winter reminder for Tesla owners. With the blizzard we are getting here in Minnesota it made think about some of the changes that making driving in winter a little safer. I always put acceleration to chill and regen braking to low . If you get stuck there is the slip start setting which honestly has only helped me once. Winter tires are helpful if you feelike spending the money on them. Anything else that I missed? | Turning off the auto-fold feature for your side mirrors may help save the mirror actuators in heavy ice snow conditions. | Here s a list of winter driving tips. [https: driveteslacanada.ca news cold-weather-tips-for-tesla-drivers-in-canada ](https: driveteslacanada.ca news cold-weather-tips-for-tesla-drivers-in-canada ) | 91 | 8 | 7,616 |
jf0i8u | 71 | Winter reminder for Tesla owners. With the blizzard we are getting here in Minnesota it made think about some of the changes that making driving in winter a little safer. I always put acceleration to chill and regen braking to low . If you get stuck there is the slip start setting which honestly has only helped me once. Winter tires are helpful if you feelike spending the money on them. Anything else that I missed? | Turning off the auto-fold feature for your side mirrors may help save the mirror actuators in heavy ice snow conditions. | Try to preheat the car (preferably plugged in) ~1 hour before you are leaving. Your range will be a lot better. | 91 | 36 | 7,617 |
jf0kdw | 94 | Changing Tesla Account password doesn t force you to sign back in from every device I had shared my Tesla account password with a third party app that has no option to disconnect my Tesla account. I changed my password on Tesla.com but the Tesla app on my phone remained logged in which makes me assume my Tesla account at the third party app remains authenticated. This is not what you d expect when you change a password for a Google account for instance if you re logged into it from multiple places. | They need to add in a thing like Netflix where you can kick off specific devices. | Are you sure? Because that s not been the behavior in the past. Have you force quit the app and opened it again? | 43 | 3 | 7,618 |
jf0kdw | 94 | Changing Tesla Account password doesn t force you to sign back in from every device I had shared my Tesla account password with a third party app that has no option to disconnect my Tesla account. I changed my password on Tesla.com but the Tesla app on my phone remained logged in which makes me assume my Tesla account at the third party app remains authenticated. This is not what you d expect when you change a password for a Google account for instance if you re logged into it from multiple places. | They need to add in a thing like Netflix where you can kick off specific devices. | API gives out tokens after authentication once. These tokens last for a month or more. Not sure if there is a way to revoke them. But with no good password once it expires then it should disconnect. EDIT: From what I read changing password should invalidate previous tokens. | 43 | 16 | 7,619 |
jf9xen | 85 | New model 3 in Denmark in week 48 I have an order for a model 3 LR in denmark. got a mail that it was changed to the new version with matteblack new console soundproofed windows new HVAC and all that and yesterday the delivery was confirmed for week 48. I dont know if any is expected to be delivered before that at this point but atleast by week 48 europe will see some new model 3 s on the road | ...Week 48 begins on Monday November 23 2020 | Euro Model 3 **Long Range** will be coming from **Fremont** so should be the new stuff already seen being transported for export. | 44 | 12 | 7,620 |
jffs6m | 59 | Replacing Tesla M3 LR AWD Tires ( First Experience ) Hello World Today I got my tires replaced and figured I d do a little write up about my experience through the process. I purchased my 2018 M3 LR AWD at the beginning of Feb 2019. It came with the Michelin MXM4 s and I was able to stretch those out to 37 500 miles. I don t have a lead foot but about 4 months ago when I measured the tread on my tires I found them to be about 3 32 I said screw it and have been punching the accelerator hard ever since. I searched online to find out what types of tires my 18” stock rims could take and came across this famous article: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments d5q0z9 version\\_2\\_comparison\\_of\\_best\\_model\\_3\\_compatible ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments d5q0z9 version_2_comparison_of_best_model_3_compatible ) I then proceeded to go to my local Costco and get their opinion on what tires I should order. They provided me with the following list: & #x200B * MICH PRIMACY TOUR A S 235 45R18 98V XL * $212.99 per tire + 19.99 installation package * $850 is the total the person wrote on the printout. * 55k mile warranty * MICHELIN CROSSCLIMATE + 235 45R18 98Y XL * $209.99 per tire * $840 is the total the person wrote on the printout. * MICHELIN X-ICE SNOW 245 40R18 97H XL * $234.99 per tire * No total was written. * MICHELIN PRIMACY MXM4 235 45 R18 98W XL * $271.99 per tire * $1148 is the total the person wrote on the printout. There was a $110 dollar off sale for Michelin tires at the register. I like Michelin so I decided to stay with the brand I know. Note that these printouts were obtained over 2 visits to the Costco Tire center from different desk clerks. This specific Costco is known for doing tire changes on Teslas so I wasn t worried about them lifting my car as I see them with teslas in the tire bay every time I am nearby. One thing to note is that they were really against me ordering the CrossClimate + tires.. I live near Indianapolis Indiana USA so it isn t like we don t have some okay winters here. They specifically mentioned that they were concerned about the wear for such a tire on a heavy Tesla. Sadly none of that mattered as Costco is apparently out of all of the above tires and so was Michelin when they called them. The only one they knew they could get was the MXM4s and I didn t want to replace them with the same tire I got from Tesla. So I left to “think about it”. A few days later I called my local Discount Tire and told them I am interested in the CrossClimate +. Without griping or pushback the person on the phone looked up the tires found some at a store in Texas and told me they could ship them here and install them. I took the bait ordered the tires and had them installed during a walk-in appointment this morning. **Invoice Details:** [Discount Tire Invoice Screenshot](https: preview.redd.it p8xfib9f0hu51.png?width=642& format=png& auto=webp& s=01ed1c3947b18e7e196f274c52783b5708e7b1bf) **Total Cost:** $1040.59 The comfort level is up and I don t notice a difference in noise levels. When driving the car I can feel the rolling resistance. It feels a lot grippier than the stock tires but it could just be because I went from bald to new. I m not sure about the efficiency or the wear over time but I m interested in finding out. The car is set to Chill Mode with Standard Steering and that is the way I plan on keeping it until it gets down to 3 32s again. Have you replaced your tires yet? What kinds of tires did you go with? Do you think the Mich CrossClimate + s were a good decision? LMK in the comments below. **UPDATE Dec 5th 2020:** After 1626 miles on my CC+ I am seeing an average usage of 306 Wh mi. This feels like a lot but it nice in the current climate. I noticed I end my local trips (less than 15 miles) at around 280 Wh mi and my long trips (around 3 hours) at 335 Wh mi. Not super scientific as my heat usage is a lot not having an Octovalve. Tread Depth Data Point: Passenger Rear: 7mm Passenger Front: 8mm Driver Front: 7mm Driver Rear: 7mm [Link to Tire Replacement Trip](https: imgur.com a eXkUlhf) **UPDATE Dec 6th 2020:** [Engineering Explained made a video](https: youtu.be PT2odY3C6Og) about these tires. Apparently there is a new version called the Cross Climate 2. | Sorry did you say... Chill mode? You lost me. | > I didn t want to replace them with the same tire I got from Tesla. Why not? The CrossClimate+ seems to be a good tire if you live somewhere that you can use the winter performance. I ve been eyeing the Vredestein Quattrac Pro but it s not available in your size. | 32 | 4 | 7,621 |
jfkprg | 210 | Tesla Third Quarter 2020 Financial Results and Webcast [Tesla Q3 2020 Financial Results and Webcast Stream](https: ir.tesla.com #tab-quarterly-disclosure) - Start Time - 2:30pm Pacific **[Livestream Link](https: livestream.tesla.com )** **[Shareholder Slide Deck](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static 4E7BR9_TSLA_Q3_2020_Update_P0Q85U.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q3-2020-Update.pdf%22)** [SAY: Submitted Questions for Earnings Call](https: app.saytechnologies.com tesla-2020-q3) [Q3 2020 Update Letter PDF](https: ir.tesla.com press-release tesla-q3-2020-vehicle-production-deliveries) | 60% profit increase from last quarter 72% profit increase from last year 9.2% operating margin All with a 7% decrease in revenue from credits niiiice | So the earnings will come in an hour past after-hours trading? | 193 | 7 | 7,622 |
jfkprg | 210 | Tesla Third Quarter 2020 Financial Results and Webcast [Tesla Q3 2020 Financial Results and Webcast Stream](https: ir.tesla.com #tab-quarterly-disclosure) - Start Time - 2:30pm Pacific **[Livestream Link](https: livestream.tesla.com )** **[Shareholder Slide Deck](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static 4E7BR9_TSLA_Q3_2020_Update_P0Q85U.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q3-2020-Update.pdf%22)** [SAY: Submitted Questions for Earnings Call](https: app.saytechnologies.com tesla-2020-q3) [Q3 2020 Update Letter PDF](https: ir.tesla.com press-release tesla-q3-2020-vehicle-production-deliveries) | 60% profit increase from last quarter 72% profit increase from last year 9.2% operating margin All with a 7% decrease in revenue from credits niiiice | gross margin up 223bp QoQ that s great! | 193 | 12 | 7,623 |
jfkprg | 210 | Tesla Third Quarter 2020 Financial Results and Webcast [Tesla Q3 2020 Financial Results and Webcast Stream](https: ir.tesla.com #tab-quarterly-disclosure) - Start Time - 2:30pm Pacific **[Livestream Link](https: livestream.tesla.com )** **[Shareholder Slide Deck](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static 4E7BR9_TSLA_Q3_2020_Update_P0Q85U.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q3-2020-Update.pdf%22)** [SAY: Submitted Questions for Earnings Call](https: app.saytechnologies.com tesla-2020-q3) [Q3 2020 Update Letter PDF](https: ir.tesla.com press-release tesla-q3-2020-vehicle-production-deliveries) | 60% profit increase from last quarter 72% profit increase from last year 9.2% operating margin All with a 7% decrease in revenue from credits niiiice | Looks pretty good. Glad to see this trend keep going. The 196% YoY sale of the regulatory credits is a bit crazy. Interested to see how sustainable that will be in the future. | 193 | 19 | 7,624 |
jfm41m | 179 | Tesla FSD Beta Discussion (Post-Q3 Webcast) This is a thread specifically on the learned information from the Q3 webcast (starting now) on the FSD progress and Elon Musk s comments from the call. For those looking for more in-depth discussion on Tesla s Autonomy technology and progress also check out r TeslaAutonomy. Related threads: [Karpathy](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jfjszk andrej_re_rewrite_rollout_i_expect_elon_will ) More detail in the [Q3 Shareholder Deck](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static 4E7BR9_TSLA_Q3_2020_Update_P0Q85U.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q3-2020-Update.pdf%22). Page 8. ###[It s here!](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jfqs5a fsd_release_notes ) | Hopefully they will remove the hands on wheel requirement and just use the cabin cam to make sure the driver is paying attention. This is what other driving assists already do. | The deck states essentially if I read it correctly that the new FSD is being released to a select group and the only added feature is city streets | 39 | 5 | 7,625 |
jfm41m | 179 | Tesla FSD Beta Discussion (Post-Q3 Webcast) This is a thread specifically on the learned information from the Q3 webcast (starting now) on the FSD progress and Elon Musk s comments from the call. For those looking for more in-depth discussion on Tesla s Autonomy technology and progress also check out r TeslaAutonomy. Related threads: [Karpathy](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jfjszk andrej_re_rewrite_rollout_i_expect_elon_will ) More detail in the [Q3 Shareholder Deck](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static 4E7BR9_TSLA_Q3_2020_Update_P0Q85U.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q3-2020-Update.pdf%22). Page 8. ###[It s here!](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jfqs5a fsd_release_notes ) | Hopefully they will remove the hands on wheel requirement and just use the cabin cam to make sure the driver is paying attention. This is what other driving assists already do. | We ll give it some thought | 39 | 7 | 7,626 |
jfm41m | 179 | Tesla FSD Beta Discussion (Post-Q3 Webcast) This is a thread specifically on the learned information from the Q3 webcast (starting now) on the FSD progress and Elon Musk s comments from the call. For those looking for more in-depth discussion on Tesla s Autonomy technology and progress also check out r TeslaAutonomy. Related threads: [Karpathy](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jfjszk andrej_re_rewrite_rollout_i_expect_elon_will ) More detail in the [Q3 Shareholder Deck](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static 4E7BR9_TSLA_Q3_2020_Update_P0Q85U.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q3-2020-Update.pdf%22). Page 8. ###[It s here!](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jfqs5a fsd_release_notes ) | I wish Elon would just post a video of this new FSD build (obviously w any proprietary information turned off) | Is FSD Beta tied to a specific version? | 33 | 3 | 7,627 |
jg0wxs | 191 | Tesla refuses to admit my model 3 has a flawed bumper design I saw the post about model 3 s having a flaw resulting in bumpers coming off in water puddles. During a rainstorm mine did just that a few months ago. After a few hours of trying to reach somebody my service center emailed. The design defect only applies to vehicles built before May 21 2019. They admit to the defect and say mine was built 28 days after this meaning I have no defects and my bumper is fine . This also means Tesla s known about the defect for over a year but never mentioned it until now. Meanwhile my car ended up bumper-less after a normal rainstorm which apparently is no longer a defect now and costs $1500. Another important note is my Model 3 leaks from the bottom floods behind the pedals and into the footwells during heavy storms. When I brought it into service I told the employees who were completely unfazed and said that just happens sometimes because of how the car is designed. How does interior vehicle flooding just happen leaving me with soaked carpets and a car I have to air out and dry on my own when driven through water so shallow it doesn t even reach over the wheels? So much for driving it like a boat as Elon says. Is anyone else having this experience? Edit: For the vinyl wrap I removed the chrome trim side cameras interior door panels and mirrors. I didn t remove or change any of the body panels I just wrapped around them. https: preview.redd.it 0a8u7n4ronu51.png?width=1536& format=png& auto=webp& s=7445246103751b9c60d86c955f1db5f5359dec97 https: preview.redd.it 4cbjyxexonu51.png?width=718& format=png& auto=webp& s=ccc2bad4a21de7b3a74626ce4a3e9e37770142b1 https: preview.redd.it b23r44vtonu51.png?width=2047& format=png& auto=webp& s=d77c47ac52948d2b6bd7f495856f766f40520914 | Hang on the sub can t hear you over the sound of everyone jacking off to FSD videos. For real though I m actually starting to get annoyed. Have to take my 3 in for service again because my steering wheel is squeaking BAD. Which is a ridiculous problem to have on a luxury vehicle. Already had both my bumpers replaced under warranty because the paint was coming off like a month after purchase. Except they call it a goodwill repair so their warranty numbers don t look so bad. Also had to get a control arm replaced. | Is that color a wrap? Did they remove the bumper to apply it? | 101 | 12 | 7,628 |
jg0wxs | 191 | Tesla refuses to admit my model 3 has a flawed bumper design I saw the post about model 3 s having a flaw resulting in bumpers coming off in water puddles. During a rainstorm mine did just that a few months ago. After a few hours of trying to reach somebody my service center emailed. The design defect only applies to vehicles built before May 21 2019. They admit to the defect and say mine was built 28 days after this meaning I have no defects and my bumper is fine . This also means Tesla s known about the defect for over a year but never mentioned it until now. Meanwhile my car ended up bumper-less after a normal rainstorm which apparently is no longer a defect now and costs $1500. Another important note is my Model 3 leaks from the bottom floods behind the pedals and into the footwells during heavy storms. When I brought it into service I told the employees who were completely unfazed and said that just happens sometimes because of how the car is designed. How does interior vehicle flooding just happen leaving me with soaked carpets and a car I have to air out and dry on my own when driven through water so shallow it doesn t even reach over the wheels? So much for driving it like a boat as Elon says. Is anyone else having this experience? Edit: For the vinyl wrap I removed the chrome trim side cameras interior door panels and mirrors. I didn t remove or change any of the body panels I just wrapped around them. https: preview.redd.it 0a8u7n4ronu51.png?width=1536& format=png& auto=webp& s=7445246103751b9c60d86c955f1db5f5359dec97 https: preview.redd.it 4cbjyxexonu51.png?width=718& format=png& auto=webp& s=ccc2bad4a21de7b3a74626ce4a3e9e37770142b1 https: preview.redd.it b23r44vtonu51.png?width=2047& format=png& auto=webp& s=d77c47ac52948d2b6bd7f495856f766f40520914 | Hang on the sub can t hear you over the sound of everyone jacking off to FSD videos. For real though I m actually starting to get annoyed. Have to take my 3 in for service again because my steering wheel is squeaking BAD. Which is a ridiculous problem to have on a luxury vehicle. Already had both my bumpers replaced under warranty because the paint was coming off like a month after purchase. Except they call it a goodwill repair so their warranty numbers don t look so bad. Also had to get a control arm replaced. | I read somewhere that if you have the cutout for the hitch you have the new design. Can t tell from your pics | 101 | 28 | 7,629 |
jg0wxs | 191 | Tesla refuses to admit my model 3 has a flawed bumper design I saw the post about model 3 s having a flaw resulting in bumpers coming off in water puddles. During a rainstorm mine did just that a few months ago. After a few hours of trying to reach somebody my service center emailed. The design defect only applies to vehicles built before May 21 2019. They admit to the defect and say mine was built 28 days after this meaning I have no defects and my bumper is fine . This also means Tesla s known about the defect for over a year but never mentioned it until now. Meanwhile my car ended up bumper-less after a normal rainstorm which apparently is no longer a defect now and costs $1500. Another important note is my Model 3 leaks from the bottom floods behind the pedals and into the footwells during heavy storms. When I brought it into service I told the employees who were completely unfazed and said that just happens sometimes because of how the car is designed. How does interior vehicle flooding just happen leaving me with soaked carpets and a car I have to air out and dry on my own when driven through water so shallow it doesn t even reach over the wheels? So much for driving it like a boat as Elon says. Is anyone else having this experience? Edit: For the vinyl wrap I removed the chrome trim side cameras interior door panels and mirrors. I didn t remove or change any of the body panels I just wrapped around them. https: preview.redd.it 0a8u7n4ronu51.png?width=1536& format=png& auto=webp& s=7445246103751b9c60d86c955f1db5f5359dec97 https: preview.redd.it 4cbjyxexonu51.png?width=718& format=png& auto=webp& s=ccc2bad4a21de7b3a74626ce4a3e9e37770142b1 https: preview.redd.it b23r44vtonu51.png?width=2047& format=png& auto=webp& s=d77c47ac52948d2b6bd7f495856f766f40520914 | Hang on the sub can t hear you over the sound of everyone jacking off to FSD videos. For real though I m actually starting to get annoyed. Have to take my 3 in for service again because my steering wheel is squeaking BAD. Which is a ridiculous problem to have on a luxury vehicle. Already had both my bumpers replaced under warranty because the paint was coming off like a month after purchase. Except they call it a goodwill repair so their warranty numbers don t look so bad. Also had to get a control arm replaced. | Completely OT but: Wow that s a SICK colour! > when driven through water so shallow it doesn t even reach over the wheels? What do you mean by this? The top of the wheels or the middle where they are attached? Ok let me put this differently: Does the water go higher than the bottom of the car? So over the bottom of the doors? Or is it simply rain intruding the car when it stands still in the driveway? Also: Is the car at factory height or did you lower the suspension or anything? | 101 | 31 | 7,630 |
jg6isx | 109 | Tesla needs a supercharger in north GA Eastern TN. People from Atlanta and Nashville can t hike there and get back on a single charge and they only have destination chargers up there If you guys go on Google Maps and look around North Georgia and eastern Tennessee area around pigeon Forge there are no superchargers. This is a big weekend getaway area for people in the south east there are a lot of great hikes… And the inability to go up there and come back as an argument that my spouse is currently using the push for a gas vehicle | Hey op co president of tesla TN here. We have poked Elon and gotten it is part of the plan response. When will pigeon forge get one your guess is as good as mine. We keep highlighting this as a strong gap. We 100% agree. Please tweet at Elon and tesla about it as well as fill out the suggestion form for where a charger is needed on the site. The more we let them know maybe they will take it under advisement. | Knoxville or Chattanooga. | 39 | 2 | 7,631 |
jg6isx | 109 | Tesla needs a supercharger in north GA Eastern TN. People from Atlanta and Nashville can t hike there and get back on a single charge and they only have destination chargers up there If you guys go on Google Maps and look around North Georgia and eastern Tennessee area around pigeon Forge there are no superchargers. This is a big weekend getaway area for people in the south east there are a lot of great hikes… And the inability to go up there and come back as an argument that my spouse is currently using the push for a gas vehicle | Hey op co president of tesla TN here. We have poked Elon and gotten it is part of the plan response. When will pigeon forge get one your guess is as good as mine. We keep highlighting this as a strong gap. We 100% agree. Please tweet at Elon and tesla about it as well as fill out the suggestion form for where a charger is needed on the site. The more we let them know maybe they will take it under advisement. | You can t use the other charging stations around the area? Is it just that they take too long? | 39 | 4 | 7,632 |
jg6isx | 109 | Tesla needs a supercharger in north GA Eastern TN. People from Atlanta and Nashville can t hike there and get back on a single charge and they only have destination chargers up there If you guys go on Google Maps and look around North Georgia and eastern Tennessee area around pigeon Forge there are no superchargers. This is a big weekend getaway area for people in the south east there are a lot of great hikes… And the inability to go up there and come back as an argument that my spouse is currently using the push for a gas vehicle | Hey op co president of tesla TN here. We have poked Elon and gotten it is part of the plan response. When will pigeon forge get one your guess is as good as mine. We keep highlighting this as a strong gap. We 100% agree. Please tweet at Elon and tesla about it as well as fill out the suggestion form for where a charger is needed on the site. The more we let them know maybe they will take it under advisement. | There s a Home2 up there with a pitiful EVGo station nearby according to PlugShare. Hilton made a big deal of partnering with Tesla for destination chargers. Maybe they can be convinced to get a couple of free destination chargers from Tesla. https: www.tesla.com charging-partners https: newsroom.hilton.com brand-communications news hitting-the-road-for-the-holidays-in-an-electric-vehicle-why-hilton-should-be-in-your-gps | 39 | 5 | 7,633 |
jgj197 | 120 | Tesla recalls 29 834 Model S X Fremont made cars in China due to suspension flaws > Tesla Beijing recalls 29 834 Tesla Model S X manufactured Sep 2013-Jan 2018 due to faulty round head screw on front suspension connecting rod faulty rear suspension connecting rod #China media citing state market regulator. Tesla to replace connecting rods free of charge. https: mobile.twitter.com DKurac status 1319530717659885568 photo 1 https: www.bloomberg.com news articles 2020-10-23 tesla-is-recalling-about-30-000-imported-vehicles-in-china | Mine did fail just under 4 years. Control arm broke. While rare it did happen and first time it ever happened to me after driving 10 cars. IMO it should be fixed. They have new parts for it. | Possibly related thread on TMC: [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads another-front-suspension-control-arm-failure.114967 ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads another-front-suspension-control-arm-failure.114967 ) As far as I know suspension components were not market-specific. | 51 | 20 | 7,634 |
jgj197 | 120 | Tesla recalls 29 834 Model S X Fremont made cars in China due to suspension flaws > Tesla Beijing recalls 29 834 Tesla Model S X manufactured Sep 2013-Jan 2018 due to faulty round head screw on front suspension connecting rod faulty rear suspension connecting rod #China media citing state market regulator. Tesla to replace connecting rods free of charge. https: mobile.twitter.com DKurac status 1319530717659885568 photo 1 https: www.bloomberg.com news articles 2020-10-23 tesla-is-recalling-about-30-000-imported-vehicles-in-china | Mine did fail just under 4 years. Control arm broke. While rare it did happen and first time it ever happened to me after driving 10 cars. IMO it should be fixed. They have new parts for it. | These cars were all made in Fremont. No recall for other regions tho. Does anyone know if the suspension setup was any different for China? | 51 | 23 | 7,635 |
jgsy2l | 40 | Model 3 2020 speed bump 0-60 4.4< 4.2 Did the 2020 model 3 long range cars just get a shadow bump in speed & #x200B The upgrade acceleration boost now says 4.2 It used to say 4.4 i see this in the tesla app as well as the tesla website under the acceleration boost dlc & #x200B https: preview.redd.it r7bugtly1wu51.jpg?width=1440& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=96425f3a205c07d6a1a392390a73093afbf7b1ee https: preview.redd.it 7zkmjtly1wu51.jpg?width=1079& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=45111767e5e9fc9f676aea10e0f80e57927d93b9 | I am pretty glad I got a Model 3 LR (RWD). I d be dropping tons of money on these acceleration upgrades. 🤣 | Everyone has been mentioning that this is probably due to them measuring it with a 1 foot roll out similar to the m3p 0-60 times | 49 | 6 | 7,636 |
jgsy2l | 40 | Model 3 2020 speed bump 0-60 4.4< 4.2 Did the 2020 model 3 long range cars just get a shadow bump in speed & #x200B The upgrade acceleration boost now says 4.2 It used to say 4.4 i see this in the tesla app as well as the tesla website under the acceleration boost dlc & #x200B https: preview.redd.it r7bugtly1wu51.jpg?width=1440& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=96425f3a205c07d6a1a392390a73093afbf7b1ee https: preview.redd.it 7zkmjtly1wu51.jpg?width=1079& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=45111767e5e9fc9f676aea10e0f80e57927d93b9 | I am pretty glad I got a Model 3 LR (RWD). I d be dropping tons of money on these acceleration upgrades. 🤣 | I thought this was when we got the 5% power boost for free with version 2019.36 or something. They just got around to updating the new values. I remember that people were measuring the 0 to 60 times at about 4.2s after that free power boost. | 49 | 18 | 7,637 |
jh3xhq | 41 | Info for Owners Awaiting FSD Update Just an FYI of my experience: I bought the FSD package at time of purchase. In the app I just received an invite to set up an appointment for the computer upgrade (free service). It is being done with Mobile Service too. Super excited and I hope it helps for those of us anxiously awaiting. Happy experimenting and be safe! | Be aware that even if you upgrade to the FSD computer that doesn t mean that you ll be part of the limited beta that s going on right now. Most of the people actually in the Early Access Program have signed NDAs multiple years ago and you ll know if you re in or not. After you get the computer upgrade you ll then need to wait like the majority of us who have purchased FSD but are not Early Access members. Hopefully we ll get this beta software by the end of the year as planned. | If you haven t been invited open the app and select Service -> Upgrades & Accessories -> Full Self-Driving Computer | 54 | 4 | 7,638 |
jh3xhq | 41 | Info for Owners Awaiting FSD Update Just an FYI of my experience: I bought the FSD package at time of purchase. In the app I just received an invite to set up an appointment for the computer upgrade (free service). It is being done with Mobile Service too. Super excited and I hope it helps for those of us anxiously awaiting. Happy experimenting and be safe! | Be aware that even if you upgrade to the FSD computer that doesn t mean that you ll be part of the limited beta that s going on right now. Most of the people actually in the Early Access Program have signed NDAs multiple years ago and you ll know if you re in or not. After you get the computer upgrade you ll then need to wait like the majority of us who have purchased FSD but are not Early Access members. Hopefully we ll get this beta software by the end of the year as planned. | I m in the Netherlands and didnt have an invite but asked for it and next week its done by mobile service | 54 | 5 | 7,639 |
jh3xhq | 41 | Info for Owners Awaiting FSD Update Just an FYI of my experience: I bought the FSD package at time of purchase. In the app I just received an invite to set up an appointment for the computer upgrade (free service). It is being done with Mobile Service too. Super excited and I hope it helps for those of us anxiously awaiting. Happy experimenting and be safe! | Be aware that even if you upgrade to the FSD computer that doesn t mean that you ll be part of the limited beta that s going on right now. Most of the people actually in the Early Access Program have signed NDAs multiple years ago and you ll know if you re in or not. After you get the computer upgrade you ll then need to wait like the majority of us who have purchased FSD but are not Early Access members. Hopefully we ll get this beta software by the end of the year as planned. | Wow thanks for the post! I just checked my app and noticed the invitation to schedule my computer upgrade! | 54 | 9 | 7,640 |
jhklln | 70 | FSD is sending tons of data to the mothership. James Locke who s one of the better FSD testers tweeted the following: Just got home after a solid day of beta FSD driving and the car is uploading like mad! 22.8 Mbps upload rate right now with 3.9GB already uploaded back to the Tesla mothership A new FSD beta has already been sent out and that probably corresponds to a big data pull from the testers Here s the direct link to the tweet https: twitter.com arctechinc status 1319797485712203776?s=19 | ^(As noted in a previous this thread…) James Locke is an example of an engaged driver **actively contributing to improving FSD** training. Hence the massive resulting uploads to the mothership. ie. a good driver making appropriate *useful* and switft interventions (corrections)—something Pro-tubers with their mates jumping out from behind bushes for shaky 60-second clips …are not doing. | It seems a little fast to incorporate new data into an update. If that is the case then I m seriously impressed. My assumption was a bug fix. | 52 | 17 | 7,641 |
jhx3h1 | 148 | Tesla thieves thwarted by owner using mobile app to track and ‘mess with them I almost want my Tesla to get stolen so I can mess with them too. [https: driveteslacanada.ca model-3 tesla-thieves-thwarted-by-owner-using-mobile-app-to-track-and-mess-with-them ](https: driveteslacanada.ca model-3 tesla-thieves-thwarted-by-owner-using-mobile-app-to-track-and-mess-with-them ) | The real question is how did they supposedly steal the car in the first place? | Do we know what method they used to steal it? | 79 | 11 | 7,642 |
jhx3h1 | 148 | Tesla thieves thwarted by owner using mobile app to track and ‘mess with them I almost want my Tesla to get stolen so I can mess with them too. [https: driveteslacanada.ca model-3 tesla-thieves-thwarted-by-owner-using-mobile-app-to-track-and-mess-with-them ](https: driveteslacanada.ca model-3 tesla-thieves-thwarted-by-owner-using-mobile-app-to-track-and-mess-with-them ) | What kind of idiot leaves his ID behind after stealing a car? The kind that steals a Tesla. | Do we know what method they used to steal it? | 76 | 11 | 7,643 |
jjpruz | 29 | Consumer Reports ranks Tesla Autopilot distant second to GM Super Cruise - Drive Tesla Canada The biggest hit on Autopilot was once again the lack of an active driver monitoring system. CR also ranked Autopilot 5 points ahead of Ford s Co-Pilot 360. I think I would still prefer to use Autopilot over Super Cruise (disclaimer: I ve never used Super Cruise). [https: driveteslacanada.ca news consumer-reports-autopilot-super-cruise ](https: driveteslacanada.ca news consumer-reports-autopilot-super-cruise ) | I suspect this article will be one of those “A person will only ever need 32KB of memory” anecdotes that future generations look back on and ask “How could they be so naive to the fairly-immediate future?” | Anyone ever used super cruise? It s obviously not meant to be full self driving and probably never will be but it is probably a smoother experience right now. I doubt they have phantom braking to scare the shit out of them. The article says the driver doesn t have to check in with the car either | 50 | 22 | 7,644 |
jjqwn1 | 247 | 1 week of FSD videos: where we stand and where we are going With the FSD beta out there for a week and videos popping up on an hourly basis I wonder what you all think of the future of FSD and TSLA. So far I think Musk s hype was mostly warranted and considering that what was released is still an early beta version I can t wait to see what this looks like once it s ready for prime time. The amount of “things” that the cameras see and how accurately it sees road markings cars signs speed limits traffic lights bicyclists people etc.... is looking really promising. Many of the videos on YouTube right now are recorded during night hours and it s truly incredible how well the cameras pick up information. If they can get the AI neural nets to improve the software this is looking like Musk s master plan Part 2 (robo taxi) could really become reality a lot sooner than many critics think. I feel like the market is currently not really reacting to the FSD news neither positive nor negative. I d like to discuss the current state and the future of FSD. | I think what we ve seen so far is really promising. There s a lot more work to do but this is the first time in a while I ve felt optimistic about Tesla s self driving ambitions. Hopefully we will see “feature complete” on a large scale sometime in 2021 and then they can move forward with the validation and improvements necessary to achieve Level 3 and 4 in the not too distant future. | I don t expect the markets to react because this is in line with the progress that Tesla has been saying they ve made for months now. It s reassuring as a customer to actually see it happening though. As exciting as this is from a technical standpoint I don t think this gives line of sight to robotaxis quite yet. The beta system they are showing can do a lot of basic maneuvers correctly but the disengagement rate and behavior in challenging scenarios is still nowhere near what can be considered safe for conditional or full autonomy. And everyone tends to agree it s the long tail of corner cases that takes the longest. Another concern I have is we can t draw a linear progress trajectory from today to the future. We have seen in the past Autopilot goes through phases of rapid improvement but then also phases of plateauing. AP2 is on like the third significant rewrite and the third generation of hardware. I don t think we can say this is the one that gets the system to robotaxi. | 84 | 21 | 7,645 |
jjqwn1 | 247 | 1 week of FSD videos: where we stand and where we are going With the FSD beta out there for a week and videos popping up on an hourly basis I wonder what you all think of the future of FSD and TSLA. So far I think Musk s hype was mostly warranted and considering that what was released is still an early beta version I can t wait to see what this looks like once it s ready for prime time. The amount of “things” that the cameras see and how accurately it sees road markings cars signs speed limits traffic lights bicyclists people etc.... is looking really promising. Many of the videos on YouTube right now are recorded during night hours and it s truly incredible how well the cameras pick up information. If they can get the AI neural nets to improve the software this is looking like Musk s master plan Part 2 (robo taxi) could really become reality a lot sooner than many critics think. I feel like the market is currently not really reacting to the FSD news neither positive nor negative. I d like to discuss the current state and the future of FSD. | 1. Tesla is right to only give this to a certain amount of people. They need a controlled beta so they don t get overwhelmed with data feedback. 2. At this rate of progress I d say we ll have effective computer assisted driving in 2 years. 3. I am not paying $10k so that I can pay MORE attention to the road on local streets. Currently it looks like a proof of concept. | Since the finish of the rewrite is so new the proof will be in the pudding... how quickly can this get better? In the videos we ve seen it s definitely like a n00b driver with a permit. I m assuming that it s collecting data from all drivers not just those in the beta. It remains to be seen if there will be exponential improvement over the next few weeks. | 52 | 8 | 7,646 |
jjqwn1 | 247 | 1 week of FSD videos: where we stand and where we are going With the FSD beta out there for a week and videos popping up on an hourly basis I wonder what you all think of the future of FSD and TSLA. So far I think Musk s hype was mostly warranted and considering that what was released is still an early beta version I can t wait to see what this looks like once it s ready for prime time. The amount of “things” that the cameras see and how accurately it sees road markings cars signs speed limits traffic lights bicyclists people etc.... is looking really promising. Many of the videos on YouTube right now are recorded during night hours and it s truly incredible how well the cameras pick up information. If they can get the AI neural nets to improve the software this is looking like Musk s master plan Part 2 (robo taxi) could really become reality a lot sooner than many critics think. I feel like the market is currently not really reacting to the FSD news neither positive nor negative. I d like to discuss the current state and the future of FSD. | I ve been blown away with some of the simple videos. My favorite is the narrow two way road with parking on one side and the car yields to a vehicle and then crosses over the double yellow line to continue on. It s something trivial to us but insane to me that the car understands this scenario on the opening release. Far more impressive to me than making a left or right turn. We re much closer than I realized. The bitch of it is the last 5% will be the hardest hurdle. | Since the finish of the rewrite is so new the proof will be in the pudding... how quickly can this get better? In the videos we ve seen it s definitely like a n00b driver with a permit. I m assuming that it s collecting data from all drivers not just those in the beta. It remains to be seen if there will be exponential improvement over the next few weeks. | 44 | 8 | 7,647 |
jlg9s6 | 1,106 | Elon Tweets: FSD Beta patches every 5 to 10 days Last update ~1 3 fewer interventions Elon has had four really good tweets today going into more information about FSD updates and how soon we will keep seeing patches. * Testing Neural nets without testing in reality is bad P * Last patch fixed several issues which should be ~1 3 fewer interventions * most bugs fixed are silly bugs over grand eureka moments. * Will never have 0 faults but will get to better than human * FSD Beta patches every 5 to 10 days! https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322431151986925568 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322433989261611009 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322435476280758272 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322435853348671488 -------------------- No matter how this is formatted it is removed for just the most overactive auto detection ive ever seen in a sub so ill add better formatting so you dont have to open all the tweets [in the comments.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jlg9s6 elon_tweets_fsd_beta_patches_every_5_to_10_days gaorxzw ) | I love hearing about 1 3 fewer interventions but I can t help but think that this is low hanging fruit. It might be 1 3 fewer every update as it approaches some limit (diminishing returns). | Im looking forward to updates that fast. Gives me new videos to look forward to every week until we all get the update :) | 80 | 19 | 7,648 |
jlg9s6 | 1,106 | Elon Tweets: FSD Beta patches every 5 to 10 days Last update ~1 3 fewer interventions Elon has had four really good tweets today going into more information about FSD updates and how soon we will keep seeing patches. * Testing Neural nets without testing in reality is bad P * Last patch fixed several issues which should be ~1 3 fewer interventions * most bugs fixed are silly bugs over grand eureka moments. * Will never have 0 faults but will get to better than human * FSD Beta patches every 5 to 10 days! https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322431151986925568 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322433989261611009 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322435476280758272 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322435853348671488 -------------------- No matter how this is formatted it is removed for just the most overactive auto detection ive ever seen in a sub so ill add better formatting so you dont have to open all the tweets [in the comments.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jlg9s6 elon_tweets_fsd_beta_patches_every_5_to_10_days gaorxzw ) | I love hearing about 1 3 fewer interventions but I can t help but think that this is low hanging fruit. It might be 1 3 fewer every update as it approaches some limit (diminishing returns). | I feel your pain on the automod on this sub. It makes it so much harder to post and harder to understand posts when they do go up. Thanks for taking the time. | 80 | 29 | 7,649 |
jlg9s6 | 1,106 | Elon Tweets: FSD Beta patches every 5 to 10 days Last update ~1 3 fewer interventions Elon has had four really good tweets today going into more information about FSD updates and how soon we will keep seeing patches. * Testing Neural nets without testing in reality is bad P * Last patch fixed several issues which should be ~1 3 fewer interventions * most bugs fixed are silly bugs over grand eureka moments. * Will never have 0 faults but will get to better than human * FSD Beta patches every 5 to 10 days! https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322431151986925568 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322433989261611009 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322435476280758272 https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1322435853348671488 -------------------- No matter how this is formatted it is removed for just the most overactive auto detection ive ever seen in a sub so ill add better formatting so you dont have to open all the tweets [in the comments.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jlg9s6 elon_tweets_fsd_beta_patches_every_5_to_10_days gaorxzw ) | I love hearing about 1 3 fewer interventions but I can t help but think that this is low hanging fruit. It might be 1 3 fewer every update as it approaches some limit (diminishing returns). | Is Dojo acutally working? They ve been talking about it for years but Musk is still talking about it s development. | 80 | 37 | 7,650 |
jlu6vw | 101 | Double pane windows spotted on Tesla Model 3 Interestingly it s not on the refreshed version of the Model 3. Spotted today in Belgium. [https: driveteslacanada.ca model-3 double-pane-windows-spotted-on-tesla-model-3 ](https: driveteslacanada.ca model-3 double-pane-windows-spotted-on-tesla-model-3 ) | What we really need is a decibel test between the old and new windows. I know these work btw so I m not doubting their effectiveness but want to know how much better they are | 2020.5 Model 3 | 78 | 3 | 7,651 |
jlu6vw | 101 | Double pane windows spotted on Tesla Model 3 Interestingly it s not on the refreshed version of the Model 3. Spotted today in Belgium. [https: driveteslacanada.ca model-3 double-pane-windows-spotted-on-tesla-model-3 ](https: driveteslacanada.ca model-3 double-pane-windows-spotted-on-tesla-model-3 ) | What we really need is a decibel test between the old and new windows. I know these work btw so I m not doubting their effectiveness but want to know how much better they are | But not the refresh just the Windows seems sus | 78 | 6 | 7,652 |
jlu6vw | 101 | Double pane windows spotted on Tesla Model 3 Interestingly it s not on the refreshed version of the Model 3. Spotted today in Belgium. [https: driveteslacanada.ca model-3 double-pane-windows-spotted-on-tesla-model-3 ](https: driveteslacanada.ca model-3 double-pane-windows-spotted-on-tesla-model-3 ) | What we really need is a decibel test between the old and new windows. I know these work btw so I m not doubting their effectiveness but want to know how much better they are | Is this two pieces of glass sandwiching a sound attenuating layer? Not a double pane as in a W140 Mercedes? | 78 | 10 | 7,653 |
jlvbk8 | 28 | Ordered a new Model 3 but not sure if it will have 2021 features Sorry if this isn t the right place to ask but I m curious to know since my Tesla advisor doesn t know. I ordered a Model 3 on Oct. 27 and the preview on my account shows the Model 3 with chrome delete. Now when I ordered my Model 3 the customizer didn t show the chrome delete. So I m just wondering if my newly ordered Tesla will end up with the 2021 features such as chrome delete double pane windows new interior designs and whatever other features come for the 2021 version. Heck I don t even know if these features are available yet just a quick google shows that the 2021 specs include the above listed features. All in all I m just confused. :) | > I m just confused Welcome to Tesla! | I believe the updates were made on the website as of Oct 16. | 52 | 4 | 7,654 |
jlvbk8 | 28 | Ordered a new Model 3 but not sure if it will have 2021 features Sorry if this isn t the right place to ask but I m curious to know since my Tesla advisor doesn t know. I ordered a Model 3 on Oct. 27 and the preview on my account shows the Model 3 with chrome delete. Now when I ordered my Model 3 the customizer didn t show the chrome delete. So I m just wondering if my newly ordered Tesla will end up with the 2021 features such as chrome delete double pane windows new interior designs and whatever other features come for the 2021 version. Heck I don t even know if these features are available yet just a quick google shows that the 2021 specs include the above listed features. All in all I m just confused. :) | > I m just confused Welcome to Tesla! | I ordered October 6th account updated around 4-5 days after the refresh update on Tesla.com followed up with my advisor who confirmed via their Manager that i d be getting the 2021 build also confirmed i d be invoiced the reduced price and a couple of other minor changes they made in NZ. Only thing that still reflects the original specs is the Order Doc. | 52 | 6 | 7,655 |
jm5o3m | 27 | Do you drive with you map orientation fixed north or in the direction of car? The new UI introduced to FSD Beta testers on 3 Y the map side of the screen is getting about 10% smaller (See: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jm3ggc tesla\\_model\\_3y\\_original\\_ui\\_vs\\_fsd\\_ui ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jm3ggc tesla_model_3y_original_ui_vs_fsd_ui )). If you keep the map faced in the direction of travel I feel like this would have no real impact as just the left and right sides would be cropped not your upcoming route. Although I don t know for sure if it s cropping the left right or just zooming out a bit...so you would actually see more in the top bottom and same left right. Either way was just interested to see how other Tesla drivers keep their map and figured a slow Sunday would be a good time for a post like this. [View Poll](https: www.reddit.com poll jm5o3m) | I don t understand why people use North up for actual travel. For finding points on the map sure (like to set the navigation) but for actual guidance why would you ever not want to be able to see the directions from your actual perspective | Wife likes it North up. I like it in direction of travel particularly while nav is on. With the size of the 3 s map either way works for me. On smaller built-in screens or when using my phone North up just wastes too much display space on what s behind me. If North up starts feeling too cramped for me then I hope the orientation starts getting saved to the driver profile. | 43 | 2 | 7,656 |
jm5o3m | 27 | Do you drive with you map orientation fixed north or in the direction of car? The new UI introduced to FSD Beta testers on 3 Y the map side of the screen is getting about 10% smaller (See: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jm3ggc tesla\\_model\\_3y\\_original\\_ui\\_vs\\_fsd\\_ui ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jm3ggc tesla_model_3y_original_ui_vs_fsd_ui )). If you keep the map faced in the direction of travel I feel like this would have no real impact as just the left and right sides would be cropped not your upcoming route. Although I don t know for sure if it s cropping the left right or just zooming out a bit...so you would actually see more in the top bottom and same left right. Either way was just interested to see how other Tesla drivers keep their map and figured a slow Sunday would be a good time for a post like this. [View Poll](https: www.reddit.com poll jm5o3m) | I don t understand why people use North up for actual travel. For finding points on the map sure (like to set the navigation) but for actual guidance why would you ever not want to be able to see the directions from your actual perspective | Fixed north is for the birds! | 43 | 2 | 7,657 |
jm5o3m | 27 | Do you drive with you map orientation fixed north or in the direction of car? The new UI introduced to FSD Beta testers on 3 Y the map side of the screen is getting about 10% smaller (See: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jm3ggc tesla\\_model\\_3y\\_original\\_ui\\_vs\\_fsd\\_ui ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments jm3ggc tesla_model_3y_original_ui_vs_fsd_ui )). If you keep the map faced in the direction of travel I feel like this would have no real impact as just the left and right sides would be cropped not your upcoming route. Although I don t know for sure if it s cropping the left right or just zooming out a bit...so you would actually see more in the top bottom and same left right. Either way was just interested to see how other Tesla drivers keep their map and figured a slow Sunday would be a good time for a post like this. [View Poll](https: www.reddit.com poll jm5o3m) | I don t understand why people use North up for actual travel. For finding points on the map sure (like to set the navigation) but for actual guidance why would you ever not want to be able to see the directions from your actual perspective | I like direction up while I m navigating but without having a destination set I prefer North up. It really bothers me that every time I end a navigation it doesn t reset my view to north up. | 43 | 3 | 7,658 |
jm7rtl | 1,212 | Implement avoid highway in maps like Google Maps. My family and I take weekly road trips to hikes and national parks etc. We re in no rush and we always opt in to avoid highways and take the more scenic comfortable state roads. Right now I use Google Maps to navigate until Tesla gives up wanting me to take interstate highways and agrees with Google. It s not super annoying but I think the feature would be a nice QoL improvement. *I know I can use a better route planner or waze from the web browser. I don t want to. That s a workaround and I d like to have this integrated in maps.* | It would be nice to have a route builder especially when FSD is out. You do normal route then can edit certain choices along the route. | This person is living in the Matrix! | 202 | 3 | 7,659 |
jm7rtl | 1,212 | Implement avoid highway in maps like Google Maps. My family and I take weekly road trips to hikes and national parks etc. We re in no rush and we always opt in to avoid highways and take the more scenic comfortable state roads. Right now I use Google Maps to navigate until Tesla gives up wanting me to take interstate highways and agrees with Google. It s not super annoying but I think the feature would be a nice QoL improvement. *I know I can use a better route planner or waze from the web browser. I don t want to. That s a workaround and I d like to have this integrated in maps.* | It would be nice to have a route builder especially when FSD is out. You do normal route then can edit certain choices along the route. | Agree. Would love an avoid highway setting using Tesla s navigation. | 202 | 9 | 7,660 |
jm7rtl | 1,212 | Implement avoid highway in maps like Google Maps. My family and I take weekly road trips to hikes and national parks etc. We re in no rush and we always opt in to avoid highways and take the more scenic comfortable state roads. Right now I use Google Maps to navigate until Tesla gives up wanting me to take interstate highways and agrees with Google. It s not super annoying but I think the feature would be a nice QoL improvement. *I know I can use a better route planner or waze from the web browser. I don t want to. That s a workaround and I d like to have this integrated in maps.* | It would be nice to have a route builder especially when FSD is out. You do normal route then can edit certain choices along the route. | They should just use Google maps instead of redesigning everything... | 202 | 22 | 7,661 |
jmcq98 | 57 | The SR+ is bad if you do roadtrips. So I took my Model 3 2020 SR+ on a first roadtrip from DC to NYC just wanted to make a post about the range anxiety and psychology of the experience. Usable Range: So my M3 has a max capacity of 247 miles (248 when delivered 2 months ago before the M3 update to bump the range of SR+ to 263). So there are a series of deductions to make on that capacity (for a day to day use) due to certain things as follows: - You will only ever charge to 80%-90% of battery capacity. So day-to-day usable range is 222 miles. - For the trip I nearly topped off at 240 & amp the last 20% of charging takes as long as the first 80% roughly (I believe this is a property of batteries not a mechanical materials engineer etc) - The estimation is very best case. If you go 75 mph in a 65 (as many do on long stretches) you get 20-40 miles less than quoted. This is a huge hidden thing I never knew. So topped off you really only have 210 functional miles of driving. - Charging takes a while and automatically adds 30 min - 1 hour on a trip. It is an inconvenience to others unaccustomed to EVs and you have to then explain etc. Ok fine you get up walk eat a sandwich from Wawa etc. - Then you use those 210 miles...but you cannot fathom running out of battery and risking being stranded so you make sure you choose a charger station that leaves you ample play room (I mentally use 40 miles) to get to a supercharger. Now we are at 170 functional trip miles. - If not topped off that puts the range and functional miles even lower etc. So just wanted to document my experience. If you can choose between the SR+ and the Long Range and you know you go on trips do not get the SR+. Get the Long Range and your life will be much better. For my purposes a long trip like this is a 1 3 a year thing so this is no issue. I have no battery issues in my city running errands or going to the outskirts & amp nature locally. Edit: This post isn t meant to be controversial I m just documenting my experience for future buyers. I m surprised at the mixed reaction (upvotes then downvotes to neutralize). Edit 2: I think it is the title and definitive opinion. I think from the comments the general consensus is that the SR+ (and even the SR) is fine for roadtrips (and even relaxing and timed well with getting rest from driving). I assume the upvotes are by those that sympathize with the range issues & amp the downvotes are those who disagree with the definitive judgements made. Edit 3: I saw this getting a good amount of comments in the past 24 hours and have tried my best to check up and comment on all replies to explain my reasoning and not appear absent minded. At this point in time I will monitor the post less I feel the major talking points have all been addressed and replied to. Helpful post for future readers: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bsk7hm should_i_get_sr_or_lr_decision_flow_chart | ABRP shows a single 13 minute charge for that trip in a SR+. https: imgur.com a XWQzWjG | Dang you had trouble on a 450+ mile roundtrip? I was hoping I d be able to take my soon to come SR+ from Florida to Valley of Texas .. sucks hearing this | 91 | 3 | 7,662 |
jmcq98 | 57 | The SR+ is bad if you do roadtrips. So I took my Model 3 2020 SR+ on a first roadtrip from DC to NYC just wanted to make a post about the range anxiety and psychology of the experience. Usable Range: So my M3 has a max capacity of 247 miles (248 when delivered 2 months ago before the M3 update to bump the range of SR+ to 263). So there are a series of deductions to make on that capacity (for a day to day use) due to certain things as follows: - You will only ever charge to 80%-90% of battery capacity. So day-to-day usable range is 222 miles. - For the trip I nearly topped off at 240 & amp the last 20% of charging takes as long as the first 80% roughly (I believe this is a property of batteries not a mechanical materials engineer etc) - The estimation is very best case. If you go 75 mph in a 65 (as many do on long stretches) you get 20-40 miles less than quoted. This is a huge hidden thing I never knew. So topped off you really only have 210 functional miles of driving. - Charging takes a while and automatically adds 30 min - 1 hour on a trip. It is an inconvenience to others unaccustomed to EVs and you have to then explain etc. Ok fine you get up walk eat a sandwich from Wawa etc. - Then you use those 210 miles...but you cannot fathom running out of battery and risking being stranded so you make sure you choose a charger station that leaves you ample play room (I mentally use 40 miles) to get to a supercharger. Now we are at 170 functional trip miles. - If not topped off that puts the range and functional miles even lower etc. So just wanted to document my experience. If you can choose between the SR+ and the Long Range and you know you go on trips do not get the SR+. Get the Long Range and your life will be much better. For my purposes a long trip like this is a 1 3 a year thing so this is no issue. I have no battery issues in my city running errands or going to the outskirts & amp nature locally. Edit: This post isn t meant to be controversial I m just documenting my experience for future buyers. I m surprised at the mixed reaction (upvotes then downvotes to neutralize). Edit 2: I think it is the title and definitive opinion. I think from the comments the general consensus is that the SR+ (and even the SR) is fine for roadtrips (and even relaxing and timed well with getting rest from driving). I assume the upvotes are by those that sympathize with the range issues & amp the downvotes are those who disagree with the definitive judgements made. Edit 3: I saw this getting a good amount of comments in the past 24 hours and have tried my best to check up and comment on all replies to explain my reasoning and not appear absent minded. At this point in time I will monitor the post less I feel the major talking points have all been addressed and replied to. Helpful post for future readers: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bsk7hm should_i_get_sr_or_lr_decision_flow_chart | ABRP shows a single 13 minute charge for that trip in a SR+. https: imgur.com a XWQzWjG | Well yeah LR is certainly better on road trips than SR+... | 91 | 3 | 7,663 |
jmcq98 | 57 | The SR+ is bad if you do roadtrips. So I took my Model 3 2020 SR+ on a first roadtrip from DC to NYC just wanted to make a post about the range anxiety and psychology of the experience. Usable Range: So my M3 has a max capacity of 247 miles (248 when delivered 2 months ago before the M3 update to bump the range of SR+ to 263). So there are a series of deductions to make on that capacity (for a day to day use) due to certain things as follows: - You will only ever charge to 80%-90% of battery capacity. So day-to-day usable range is 222 miles. - For the trip I nearly topped off at 240 & amp the last 20% of charging takes as long as the first 80% roughly (I believe this is a property of batteries not a mechanical materials engineer etc) - The estimation is very best case. If you go 75 mph in a 65 (as many do on long stretches) you get 20-40 miles less than quoted. This is a huge hidden thing I never knew. So topped off you really only have 210 functional miles of driving. - Charging takes a while and automatically adds 30 min - 1 hour on a trip. It is an inconvenience to others unaccustomed to EVs and you have to then explain etc. Ok fine you get up walk eat a sandwich from Wawa etc. - Then you use those 210 miles...but you cannot fathom running out of battery and risking being stranded so you make sure you choose a charger station that leaves you ample play room (I mentally use 40 miles) to get to a supercharger. Now we are at 170 functional trip miles. - If not topped off that puts the range and functional miles even lower etc. So just wanted to document my experience. If you can choose between the SR+ and the Long Range and you know you go on trips do not get the SR+. Get the Long Range and your life will be much better. For my purposes a long trip like this is a 1 3 a year thing so this is no issue. I have no battery issues in my city running errands or going to the outskirts & amp nature locally. Edit: This post isn t meant to be controversial I m just documenting my experience for future buyers. I m surprised at the mixed reaction (upvotes then downvotes to neutralize). Edit 2: I think it is the title and definitive opinion. I think from the comments the general consensus is that the SR+ (and even the SR) is fine for roadtrips (and even relaxing and timed well with getting rest from driving). I assume the upvotes are by those that sympathize with the range issues & amp the downvotes are those who disagree with the definitive judgements made. Edit 3: I saw this getting a good amount of comments in the past 24 hours and have tried my best to check up and comment on all replies to explain my reasoning and not appear absent minded. At this point in time I will monitor the post less I feel the major talking points have all been addressed and replied to. Helpful post for future readers: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bsk7hm should_i_get_sr_or_lr_decision_flow_chart | ABRP shows a single 13 minute charge for that trip in a SR+. https: imgur.com a XWQzWjG | You can t talk about that here. | 91 | 5 | 7,664 |
jmpnsz | 38 | We should have a Mirror fold shortcut I think it would be nice to be able to fold the mirrors with one press from the main display like how you can open the frunk or trunk. I fold the mirrors frequently and it would be really nice to be able to do it without having to go into the menu. On the image of the car on the main screen I can imagine pressing on the mirrors and having the mirrors fold. I can also see it being up near the door lock button. | Use the voice commands! It works pretty well! | That s a terrible use of screen real estate. Almost nobody folds the mirrors that often. | 52 | 14 | 7,665 |
jmpnsz | 38 | We should have a Mirror fold shortcut I think it would be nice to be able to fold the mirrors with one press from the main display like how you can open the frunk or trunk. I fold the mirrors frequently and it would be really nice to be able to do it without having to go into the menu. On the image of the car on the main screen I can imagine pressing on the mirrors and having the mirrors fold. I can also see it being up near the door lock button. | Use the voice commands! It works pretty well! | Have you tried using the “fold at location” or “fold on lock” settings? Not sure what your case is for folding so often but check those! | 52 | 23 | 7,666 |
jn6a2a | 137 | 2020.44 Installing Just got the notification. Have 2020.44 installing right now Model 3LR HW3.0. Searched both r teslamotors and r TeslaLounge and noticed one car updated about five days ago but no one else since. Will post screenshots once its finished currently at 30%. **update** [Release Notes](https: imgur.com gallery kuvze46) * Autopilot Set Speed * Spotify Improvements * Media Search Improvements * Media Sources * Voice Command Language Sorry kids no mass FSD tonight. | I ve been waiting **literally** 12 months for Tesla to come to a reason and include autopilot at current speed setting. I cannot believe this is finally happening. | Nice! Very interested to see what s new. | 60 | 3 | 7,667 |
jn6a2a | 137 | 2020.44 Installing Just got the notification. Have 2020.44 installing right now Model 3LR HW3.0. Searched both r teslamotors and r TeslaLounge and noticed one car updated about five days ago but no one else since. Will post screenshots once its finished currently at 30%. **update** [Release Notes](https: imgur.com gallery kuvze46) * Autopilot Set Speed * Spotify Improvements * Media Search Improvements * Media Sources * Voice Command Language Sorry kids no mass FSD tonight. | I ve been waiting **literally** 12 months for Tesla to come to a reason and include autopilot at current speed setting. I cannot believe this is finally happening. | Spotify podcasts finally. Do they work as expected? | 60 | 3 | 7,668 |
jn6a2a | 137 | 2020.44 Installing Just got the notification. Have 2020.44 installing right now Model 3LR HW3.0. Searched both r teslamotors and r TeslaLounge and noticed one car updated about five days ago but no one else since. Will post screenshots once its finished currently at 30%. **update** [Release Notes](https: imgur.com gallery kuvze46) * Autopilot Set Speed * Spotify Improvements * Media Search Improvements * Media Sources * Voice Command Language Sorry kids no mass FSD tonight. | Gapless playback! Finally!! | Nice! Very interested to see what s new. | 29 | 3 | 7,669 |
jnaq7w | 38 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! We re going to start consolidating feature requests into a centralized thread posted every couple of weeks to better manage requests and to get good voting and discussion of specific features. If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. | Use the brakes to counter the loss of regen when cold full. The user does not need to care. It s also dangerous to lift off and not have the same regen you are used to. | Some sort of easy toggle for what the steering wheel buttons do. Specifically I d like them to control the wiper speed. Better memory for my map settings. On long road trips I find myself fiddling a lot with the zoom levels and then it tends to reset itself sometimes. Maybe the best implementation is a split map with one map being a high level (multi-state) view of the entire trip and another map with the clos view and upcoming changes. | 59 | 2 | 7,670 |
jnaq7w | 38 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! We re going to start consolidating feature requests into a centralized thread posted every couple of weeks to better manage requests and to get good voting and discussion of specific features. If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. | Use the brakes to counter the loss of regen when cold full. The user does not need to care. It s also dangerous to lift off and not have the same regen you are used to. | Change charge rate in app. | 59 | 3 | 7,671 |
jnaq7w | 38 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! We re going to start consolidating feature requests into a centralized thread posted every couple of weeks to better manage requests and to get good voting and discussion of specific features. If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. | Use the brakes to counter the loss of regen when cold full. The user does not need to care. It s also dangerous to lift off and not have the same regen you are used to. | I d like to see the projected range from the energy graph displayed by the battery bar. | 59 | 5 | 7,672 |
jnedgl | 176 | We wanted to distract ourselves on election day so we re releasing our updated charging algorithm to support real-time electricity prices that will automatically charge your Tesla during negative electricity rates (get paid to charge) & #x200B [Real-time plan with Optiwatt](https: preview.redd.it n7twryh562x51.png?width=1200& format=png& auto=webp& s=ce2b49910e67e6330fb53491789b9a1e9fc860eb) Hi Tesla Motors Optiwatt dev here. We really pushed hard to get this live today so hopefully this brightens up your election day. Optiwatt [www.getoptiwatt.com](http: www.getoptiwatt.com ) now supports real-time plans which allows Tesla owners with variable rates to automatically charge during negative rates and avoid peak pricing spikes. The hourly plan offered by ComEd (Commonwealth Edison) in IL will be the first real-time plan that we support with more on the roadmap. This feature and the whole app is 100% free and always will be! Big thank yous to u Big_pimpins and u thisiswhatidonow for telling us about ComEd s hourly plan and u gescarra for showing us the idea and taking the first initial crack at it in this post: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a4su3j tesla\\_smart\\_meters\\_and\\_automation\\_via\\_apis . Regardless of how today goes we promise to keep working on improving EV ownership and making charging RIDICULOUSLY cheap. I ll be responding to any comments here it ll be a nice distraction for today :) | I want to live somewhere that has negative electricity rates. How many lambs did you need to sacrifice to get on that rate plan? | Wish they come here. Evergy in Kansas does nothing for EV at all. Such a shit company | 43 | 3 | 7,673 |
jnedgl | 176 | We wanted to distract ourselves on election day so we re releasing our updated charging algorithm to support real-time electricity prices that will automatically charge your Tesla during negative electricity rates (get paid to charge) & #x200B [Real-time plan with Optiwatt](https: preview.redd.it n7twryh562x51.png?width=1200& format=png& auto=webp& s=ce2b49910e67e6330fb53491789b9a1e9fc860eb) Hi Tesla Motors Optiwatt dev here. We really pushed hard to get this live today so hopefully this brightens up your election day. Optiwatt [www.getoptiwatt.com](http: www.getoptiwatt.com ) now supports real-time plans which allows Tesla owners with variable rates to automatically charge during negative rates and avoid peak pricing spikes. The hourly plan offered by ComEd (Commonwealth Edison) in IL will be the first real-time plan that we support with more on the roadmap. This feature and the whole app is 100% free and always will be! Big thank yous to u Big_pimpins and u thisiswhatidonow for telling us about ComEd s hourly plan and u gescarra for showing us the idea and taking the first initial crack at it in this post: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a4su3j tesla\\_smart\\_meters\\_and\\_automation\\_via\\_apis . Regardless of how today goes we promise to keep working on improving EV ownership and making charging RIDICULOUSLY cheap. I ll be responding to any comments here it ll be a nice distraction for today :) | I want to live somewhere that has negative electricity rates. How many lambs did you need to sacrifice to get on that rate plan? | Any chance you can support Amber in Australia? They are a per 30min TOU energy retailer. I can provide you with documentation and API if you like (I am a customer) | 43 | 3 | 7,674 |
jnedgl | 176 | We wanted to distract ourselves on election day so we re releasing our updated charging algorithm to support real-time electricity prices that will automatically charge your Tesla during negative electricity rates (get paid to charge) & #x200B [Real-time plan with Optiwatt](https: preview.redd.it n7twryh562x51.png?width=1200& format=png& auto=webp& s=ce2b49910e67e6330fb53491789b9a1e9fc860eb) Hi Tesla Motors Optiwatt dev here. We really pushed hard to get this live today so hopefully this brightens up your election day. Optiwatt [www.getoptiwatt.com](http: www.getoptiwatt.com ) now supports real-time plans which allows Tesla owners with variable rates to automatically charge during negative rates and avoid peak pricing spikes. The hourly plan offered by ComEd (Commonwealth Edison) in IL will be the first real-time plan that we support with more on the roadmap. This feature and the whole app is 100% free and always will be! Big thank yous to u Big_pimpins and u thisiswhatidonow for telling us about ComEd s hourly plan and u gescarra for showing us the idea and taking the first initial crack at it in this post: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments a4su3j tesla\\_smart\\_meters\\_and\\_automation\\_via\\_apis . Regardless of how today goes we promise to keep working on improving EV ownership and making charging RIDICULOUSLY cheap. I ll be responding to any comments here it ll be a nice distraction for today :) | I want to live somewhere that has negative electricity rates. How many lambs did you need to sacrifice to get on that rate plan? | **V1G** at its very best. ^(Who needs bidirectional V2G?!…) | 43 | 7 | 7,675 |
jni450 | 25 | New build 240V outlet install in garage Not sure if I understood the electrician correctly but he said he would install a 30AMP wire to the 240V. He commented that that would charge a Tesla 0-full in 90 minutes. Is this true it seems odd. What wire do I get to the 240V to get 0-full in 6 hours. Hope I am making some sense. | 240V @ 30A would only get you 7kW which depending on your vehicle is no where near 90 minute full charge - more like 8-14 hours. Is the electrician installing a NEMA 14-50 outlet? Are you planning to use the included mobile adapter or a permanent wall-mount charging adapter like HPWC from Tesla? Best you can do for a Model 3 LR which charges max 48A is install a Tesla HPWC on a 60A breaker. For SR(+) max is 32A. Keep in mind the breaker needs to be sized over your charging amps (ie 60A breaker needed for 48A charging to the car) Read this... https: www.tesla.com support home-charging-installation wall-connector | 30A circuit should only draw 80% of current capacity of circuit so 24A. 30A circuit should use 10 3 wire. I d expect it to take > 10 hrs to fully charge on this type of circuit. If you re looking to charge as quick as possible install a 50A circuit with 6 3 wire. Obviously if you re using the mobile connector current is limited to 32A | 35 | 3 | 7,676 |
jor4pj | 29 | Tesla frustrations (Range FSD Cost Leasing Trust Fear of Missing Out) Sorry for the wall of text. A brief background: I consider myself to be an average consumer with an interest in tech electric cars. I started dabbling into electric cars with a Chevy Volt back in 2016. This was a way for me to get 50 miles of range with a gas backup. This was great commuter car though I questioned the quality of the gasoline backup engine. After leasing for 3 years I had something like 70% of my driving was all electric. I waffled back and forth about going all electric and finally pulled the trigger on a leased Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus. I didn t know if I was going to be happy being 100% electric as I no longer had the gasoline backup which is why I wanted to lease. They just came out with the $399 deal too but I settled for a lesser upfront down-payment and sitting around $475 mo. Overall it s been a good experience but there are some frustrations I have with the car tesla in general. I am on the fence about whether my next car will be a Tesla or not. More about this later. Frustration #1: Average Car efficiency vs stated range: The 2019 Standard range plus is rated for 240 miles. A HUGE justification for me going all electric with Tesla is the supercharger network. I also opted for the standard range variant because 240 miles in any given direction there was a supercharger. From the Tesla Supercharger in Little Rock to the Supercharger in Memphis is 163 miles. 240 should be plenty. The temperature for this particular drive was 50F average. I went from 98% SOC to 14% SOC. [https: imgur.com a JOAWvSk](https: imgur.com a JOAWvSk) (min distance per drive 1mile) There s nothing new here that people don t already know but given any drive you re only looking on average about 75-80% efficiency. Winter city driving can be as low as 60% (and it doesn t get below freezing here.) The reason this is important is that you re supposed to keep the car between 90% and 10%. The 240 range is now 192 (10% off the top and bottom). Add to that a wintertime efficiency of 60% that s 115mi of range before needing a recharge. My daily commute is 20mi (10mi each way) x 5 days a week. When I first got the car I was charging 100% off the public infrastructure and to be honest it was a hassle. I had to charge on Sunday for my work week (40 mins) and Charge on Friday (40 mins) for the weekend. The 240V chargepoint chargers work ok at a rate of about 10% SoC per hour. If someone else plugs into the same charger while charging it s about 5% per hour. All that being said it was such a hassle that I ended up renting out a garage for $100 mo just so I can do daily charging. \\[I live in an apartment.\\] Frustration #2: Planned Superchargers Even though that Memphis trip was a bit of a stretch when I bought the car it said there was a planned opening half way between Little Rock and Memphis in Forrest City. Target opening 2019 at the time. Same with the one opening in Arkadelphia. Oh well this range anxiety thing will be a non-issue once those open up later this year. Except they never opened. They changed the target date to opening in 2020. I fully suspect come 2021 that will be the new target. I know they will eventually come but a huge let down of me expecting them to come at the advertised time. I recently drove from Dallas to Little Rock and started out with a 95% charge and then it got COLD outside (like 50-55F). My defroster heater came on and we were going to run out of battery before we got to Little Rock. I told my wife that we have to drive without heat to make it back and use the defroster sparingly. We made it back with 9%. Since winter weather is just starting here I will likely have to take my wife s ICE car next time we go. Frustration #3: Autopilot (included) Before I purchased my M3 I saw videos of people \\[wrecklessly\\] putting on makeup while driving and things like this: [https: www.thedrive.com news 36366 morons-leave-driver-seat-empty-let-tesla-autopilot-drive-so-they-can-keep-drinking-in-the-car](https: www.thedrive.com news 36366 morons-leave-driver-seat-empty-let-tesla-autopilot-drive-so-they-can-keep-drinking-in-the-car) I knew going in that this was not normal and extremely dangerous. I knew going in that it was a driver assist L2 system and required 100% attention at all times. I tapered my expectations WAY back and decided I would be happy if it helped with interstate driving \\[it does.\\] Even after I purchased people would ask me if is that the car that drives itself? I assumed it was at least a very capable system if people are that wreckless with it then when used properly it should be a fantastic driver assist feature. Except it s not (wasn t?). When I first got the car I would have horrific problems with phantom breaking on the interstate (usually involving overpasses and shadows.) While I still used it on my daily commute I eventually learned that I had to baby sit autopilot just in case it decides to randomly brake. It didn t make my commute less stressful just now when someone pulls up close to my rear I have to make sure to rest my foot on the accelerator in case it wants to brake. After owning it for a bit and using Autopilot I had to tell people that it most certainly doesn t even come close to being able to drive itself. I even tell people that it can actually be dangerous due to the phantom braking issues I ve encountered. To be fair with the continual updates it s gotten a lot better but I still have to baby sit it when people drive too close. I think it s a good system and on long road trips it s a godsend for fatigue. I do not trust it (nor should anyone for any L2-L4 assist system). Word of note even though I like it it does not pass the wife test. She yells at me for using it because it makes her feel unsafe. I do not use it when we are riding together. Frustration #4: Full-Self-Driving package (add on:) Can t buy-out Lease. I m leasing my car so any add on packages are lost when the car is returned to Tesla. Tesla also stated that there is no buying out the car at end of lease. The reason for this was because they were going to be rolling out the Robo-taxi service. So I can t buy the FSD package and then buy the car out later either. I know supposedly they are going to come out with a subscription plan for lessees and that s a decent stop gap. The problem: After driving the Model 3 for a little over a year now the price of the FSD package keeps going up. It s something I want to buy but didn t because I m leasing. I m leasing because I didn t know if going all electric was for me. I ve got 2 years left on my lease and I ve been seriously thinking about purchasing Tesla as my next car. Which kind of brings me to the very last frustration is that if FSD keeps going up over the next two years -- that owning a Tesla suddenly becomes not worth the price hassle . Delaying the purchase of FSD just makes it more expensive so it s a zero-win game when trying to balance a budget. All being said for me to get the product that I actually want would be looking at the Model Y Long range w FSD. That s a $60 000 dollar car. And FSD will go up in price before my lease is up. The standard ranges aren t enough in my experience (outlined above) and I m getting shafted on the FSD price going up because I leased due to uncertainty w all electric. At the end of the day I think the rising cost of the FSD package will end up being what drives me away from Tesla. All the other hassles I d be okay with living with and even stretching my budget so I can get the Long range model adding the cost of a rising FSD package is the straw that s making me consider to just go back to driving an ICE car. There s an old saying The juice isn t worth the squeeze - well I think it was worth it. The standard range plus is a good car. But by the time my lease is over and I m ready to buy I m guessing the price of the car I want will be too much. | Curious if you are leasing it why are you so concerned about the battery (keeping it between 90 and 10) since you re not going to have the car in a few years anyway? Additionally if you are above 90 or below 10 for a limited duration as opposed to storing the vehicle that way it shouldn t be too much stress on the battery. Id charge to 95 in your scenario and have no issues with going down to 5 (there s probably some buffer at the bottom so it s not a true 5). The other thing you can do is put in a reservation for a cyber truck and lock in the FSD price. By the time your lease is up you can decide whether or not you want to stick with Tesla or leave. | Overall it sounds like the cost of the car is too much vs your perceived value. If they dropped costs it would realign your expectation or at least you would feel better about the purchase? | 42 | 9 | 7,677 |
jpk9p3 | 129 | 2020.44 Software Update Megathread **2020.44** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.44.10.1) - Autopilot Set Speed - Spotify Improvements - Media Search Improvements - Custom Media Sources - Launch Mode Improvements - Voice Command Language Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * [Teslascope](https: www.teslascope.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * [TeslaFi](https: www.teslafi.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | It would be nice not to force us to have 3 media sources when I only use one. Also the spotify upgrades are so far great! That was my one complaint about my tesla... the spotify integration was horrible. | I was on 2020.40.x and just got the update for 2020.44.10.1! | 60 | 12 | 7,678 |
jpk9p3 | 129 | 2020.44 Software Update Megathread **2020.44** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.44.10.1) - Autopilot Set Speed - Spotify Improvements - Media Search Improvements - Custom Media Sources - Launch Mode Improvements - Voice Command Language Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * [Teslascope](https: www.teslascope.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * [TeslaFi](https: www.teslafi.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | It would be nice not to force us to have 3 media sources when I only use one. Also the spotify upgrades are so far great! That was my one complaint about my tesla... the spotify integration was horrible. | It lists an option to use a relative speed limit for AP ie instead of +5 mph above the limit can set +X%. In theory should help with city vs highway adjustments. I didn t care enough about this feature to try it though. | 60 | 22 | 7,679 |
jqbdp3 | 624 | According to a reliable AMD leaker Tesla is considering using next gen AMD GPUs for it s infotainment systems > Tesla wants to use Navi 23 for their cars https: twitter.com patrickschur_ status 1325217367509639173 > Navi 23 > > Die Size: 14.28 mm × 16.51 mm ≈ 235 76 mm² > Package: 35 mm × 35 mm https: twitter.com patrickschur_ status 1317851087777443841 Patrick Schur is known for leaking AMD related information. He s proven to be very reliable and clearly has an inside source at AMD so this tweet is VERY interesting. With Elon Musk not so subtly hinting at wanting to bring The Witcher games and Minecraft to the cars and the overall push towards gaming on the infotainment it makes sense that they would want to replace the weak Intel Atoms currently powering the infotainment system (MCU2). Navi 23 would be based on AMDs next generation of graphics technology (RDNA 2). Likely a full SoC. If this leak proves correct MCU3 will be far far more powerful than the current MCU2. | Navi 23 is rumored to have 2048 shading units. For reference the new Xbox Series S appears to have 1280 and the Series X has 3328. This upgrade could bring next-gen console level performance to the infotainment system. What s not clear: * How will the clock frequency compare? Tesla may clock the GPU lower to reduce heat dissipation * How many of those 2048 shader cores will be active? They might purchase a partially disabled part to increase yields reduce costs * Why go for a discrete CPU GPU instead of an APU? Does AMD not have an APU available with this kind of power outside of custom designs for Microsoft and Sony? * What kind of CPU will this be paired with? SSD? RAM? | Can t be outdone by Hummer! | 138 | 27 | 7,680 |
jqbdp3 | 624 | According to a reliable AMD leaker Tesla is considering using next gen AMD GPUs for it s infotainment systems > Tesla wants to use Navi 23 for their cars https: twitter.com patrickschur_ status 1325217367509639173 > Navi 23 > > Die Size: 14.28 mm × 16.51 mm ≈ 235 76 mm² > Package: 35 mm × 35 mm https: twitter.com patrickschur_ status 1317851087777443841 Patrick Schur is known for leaking AMD related information. He s proven to be very reliable and clearly has an inside source at AMD so this tweet is VERY interesting. With Elon Musk not so subtly hinting at wanting to bring The Witcher games and Minecraft to the cars and the overall push towards gaming on the infotainment it makes sense that they would want to replace the weak Intel Atoms currently powering the infotainment system (MCU2). Navi 23 would be based on AMDs next generation of graphics technology (RDNA 2). Likely a full SoC. If this leak proves correct MCU3 will be far far more powerful than the current MCU2. | Navi 23 is rumored to have 2048 shading units. For reference the new Xbox Series S appears to have 1280 and the Series X has 3328. This upgrade could bring next-gen console level performance to the infotainment system. What s not clear: * How will the clock frequency compare? Tesla may clock the GPU lower to reduce heat dissipation * How many of those 2048 shader cores will be active? They might purchase a partially disabled part to increase yields reduce costs * Why go for a discrete CPU GPU instead of an APU? Does AMD not have an APU available with this kind of power outside of custom designs for Microsoft and Sony? * What kind of CPU will this be paired with? SSD? RAM? | Guess I should wait to upgrade my MCU! | 138 | 34 | 7,681 |
jqbdp3 | 624 | According to a reliable AMD leaker Tesla is considering using next gen AMD GPUs for it s infotainment systems > Tesla wants to use Navi 23 for their cars https: twitter.com patrickschur_ status 1325217367509639173 > Navi 23 > > Die Size: 14.28 mm × 16.51 mm ≈ 235 76 mm² > Package: 35 mm × 35 mm https: twitter.com patrickschur_ status 1317851087777443841 Patrick Schur is known for leaking AMD related information. He s proven to be very reliable and clearly has an inside source at AMD so this tweet is VERY interesting. With Elon Musk not so subtly hinting at wanting to bring The Witcher games and Minecraft to the cars and the overall push towards gaming on the infotainment it makes sense that they would want to replace the weak Intel Atoms currently powering the infotainment system (MCU2). Navi 23 would be based on AMDs next generation of graphics technology (RDNA 2). Likely a full SoC. If this leak proves correct MCU3 will be far far more powerful than the current MCU2. | Navi 23 is rumored to have 2048 shading units. For reference the new Xbox Series S appears to have 1280 and the Series X has 3328. This upgrade could bring next-gen console level performance to the infotainment system. What s not clear: * How will the clock frequency compare? Tesla may clock the GPU lower to reduce heat dissipation * How many of those 2048 shader cores will be active? They might purchase a partially disabled part to increase yields reduce costs * Why go for a discrete CPU GPU instead of an APU? Does AMD not have an APU available with this kind of power outside of custom designs for Microsoft and Sony? * What kind of CPU will this be paired with? SSD? RAM? | AMD to the moon. | 138 | 49 | 7,682 |
jqidfv | 1,283 | Questions for Elon Musk | Lex Fridman Podcast (Round 3) I m Lex. I host a podcast. I ve interviewed Elon Musk twice before ([round 1](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=dEv99vxKjVI) [round 2](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=smK9dgdTl40)). I m talking to Elon for the 3rd time on the podcast soon (likely later this week but TBD). Tesla will probably be the topic of focus. But also: AI life death meaning love history aliens and memes. If you have questions topics both detailed engineering ones and big philosophical ones let me know. | Hi thanks for doing this. Huge fan of the podcast! I had a few questions about FSD: 1) [PlaidNet was spotted in firmware recently](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1321950206477422593?s=19) which appears to be a newer Neural Network architecture but the FSD rewrite that Early Access is testing seems to [still use the older HydraNet. ](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1319452146157445120?s=19) Is the rewrite still a work in progress are there are more components of the rewrite yet to come? 2) Elon used to mention of an end to end NN that took in camera feed as input and acceleration braking and steering as output. In the current FSD Beta it seems like the perception is using NNs but the driving controls and policy is still conventional C++ code. Is the end to end NN for driving still being pursued or has Tesla changed their approach for FSD? 3) How is the FSD Early Access testing going? Is FSD still on track to be rolled out widely in a few weeks and full deployment by EOY? | Love your channel Lex. I m wondering when will model y production start at Giga Texas since cybertruck is starting end of next year but they are starting to build model y first at the site. | 454 | 2 | 7,683 |
jqidfv | 1,283 | Questions for Elon Musk | Lex Fridman Podcast (Round 3) I m Lex. I host a podcast. I ve interviewed Elon Musk twice before ([round 1](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=dEv99vxKjVI) [round 2](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=smK9dgdTl40)). I m talking to Elon for the 3rd time on the podcast soon (likely later this week but TBD). Tesla will probably be the topic of focus. But also: AI life death meaning love history aliens and memes. If you have questions topics both detailed engineering ones and big philosophical ones let me know. | Hi thanks for doing this. Huge fan of the podcast! I had a few questions about FSD: 1) [PlaidNet was spotted in firmware recently](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1321950206477422593?s=19) which appears to be a newer Neural Network architecture but the FSD rewrite that Early Access is testing seems to [still use the older HydraNet. ](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1319452146157445120?s=19) Is the rewrite still a work in progress are there are more components of the rewrite yet to come? 2) Elon used to mention of an end to end NN that took in camera feed as input and acceleration braking and steering as output. In the current FSD Beta it seems like the perception is using NNs but the driving controls and policy is still conventional C++ code. Is the end to end NN for driving still being pursued or has Tesla changed their approach for FSD? 3) How is the FSD Early Access testing going? Is FSD still on track to be rolled out widely in a few weeks and full deployment by EOY? | When does he think that robotics and AI will reach the point that 1) The economy will start suffering due to lack of UBI. 2) Money is no longer relevant. Robots don t require money they do most of the work so money is no longer required. Does he know that Karl Marx wrote that capitalism will spawn automation which will free humans from labor? | 454 | 3 | 7,684 |
jqidfv | 1,283 | Questions for Elon Musk | Lex Fridman Podcast (Round 3) I m Lex. I host a podcast. I ve interviewed Elon Musk twice before ([round 1](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=dEv99vxKjVI) [round 2](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=smK9dgdTl40)). I m talking to Elon for the 3rd time on the podcast soon (likely later this week but TBD). Tesla will probably be the topic of focus. But also: AI life death meaning love history aliens and memes. If you have questions topics both detailed engineering ones and big philosophical ones let me know. | Hi thanks for doing this. Huge fan of the podcast! I had a few questions about FSD: 1) [PlaidNet was spotted in firmware recently](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1321950206477422593?s=19) which appears to be a newer Neural Network architecture but the FSD rewrite that Early Access is testing seems to [still use the older HydraNet. ](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1319452146157445120?s=19) Is the rewrite still a work in progress are there are more components of the rewrite yet to come? 2) Elon used to mention of an end to end NN that took in camera feed as input and acceleration braking and steering as output. In the current FSD Beta it seems like the perception is using NNs but the driving controls and policy is still conventional C++ code. Is the end to end NN for driving still being pursued or has Tesla changed their approach for FSD? 3) How is the FSD Early Access testing going? Is FSD still on track to be rolled out widely in a few weeks and full deployment by EOY? | How can society create more people who think like Elon? | 454 | 7 | 7,685 |
jqtoon | 187 | Should I refuse delivery? Hey y all so I was supposed to take delivery of my 2017 Model S 75D last Friday and what was supposed to be an awesome day had turned to a nightmare. Due to Touchless Delivery I was asked to open the car with my Tesla app get keys from inside sign papers and drive off. When I got to Tesla my app was showing “unable to connect to vehicle” so I went inside to ask for help. The employees were unable to open the car remotely on their end and since the keys were in the Tesla they broke in through the window with an airbag device long stick thing (yup I cannot make this shit up). Upon glancing at the screen I could see the connectivity going in and out and the employees tried to tell me “the parking spot is too far away from the store WiFi” before quickly whisking it away to the back to take a look. They brought it back out some minutes later saying “the connectivity was being weird due to the complete system reset from the last owner but it s good to go now”. I started inspecting the car and immediately came upon a glitch on the screen. When I brought it up to Tesla they soft reset it multiple times to no avail. Another employee came up and explained that this has happened before is happening all over the country and is an issue with the software update so they will keep the car overnight and download the older update in hopes of fixing the glitch. The next day I get a call from Tesla saying the older update worked and the screen is working perfectly. As soon as I sat in that car and clicked on the screen... The same glitch popped up. After talking to the employees for hours they told me my option would be to take delivery and drive the car as is (it was a fuck no from me dawg) or they could keep the car until the next software update which will fix everything? They explained that replacing the screen won t solve the problem because it s a software not hardware issue. Reddit are they bullshitting me? I really don t know if I want to sit around waiting for an update for weeks if it won t even solve anything. Edit: I just saw that the newest update came out two days ago when they had my car... I m even more confused now. https: imgur.com gallery C9tlgjn Update: I asked if they could replace the MCU and they again said it s not an MCU issue so they can t justify replacing it. I refused delivery. They re working on getting my down payment back as well as the delivery fee. I ll be looking at the 2021 3 and Y. I appreciate all your feedback y all! It was the push I needed to refuse this dud. | These artifacts look like corrupted video memory. While it s true that this might be resolved with software it might also be a hardware issue and probably is. I wouldn t take the car unless I planned to replace the MCU anyway. | If you have the option to refuse then do that. | 118 | 30 | 7,686 |
jqtoon | 187 | Should I refuse delivery? Hey y all so I was supposed to take delivery of my 2017 Model S 75D last Friday and what was supposed to be an awesome day had turned to a nightmare. Due to Touchless Delivery I was asked to open the car with my Tesla app get keys from inside sign papers and drive off. When I got to Tesla my app was showing “unable to connect to vehicle” so I went inside to ask for help. The employees were unable to open the car remotely on their end and since the keys were in the Tesla they broke in through the window with an airbag device long stick thing (yup I cannot make this shit up). Upon glancing at the screen I could see the connectivity going in and out and the employees tried to tell me “the parking spot is too far away from the store WiFi” before quickly whisking it away to the back to take a look. They brought it back out some minutes later saying “the connectivity was being weird due to the complete system reset from the last owner but it s good to go now”. I started inspecting the car and immediately came upon a glitch on the screen. When I brought it up to Tesla they soft reset it multiple times to no avail. Another employee came up and explained that this has happened before is happening all over the country and is an issue with the software update so they will keep the car overnight and download the older update in hopes of fixing the glitch. The next day I get a call from Tesla saying the older update worked and the screen is working perfectly. As soon as I sat in that car and clicked on the screen... The same glitch popped up. After talking to the employees for hours they told me my option would be to take delivery and drive the car as is (it was a fuck no from me dawg) or they could keep the car until the next software update which will fix everything? They explained that replacing the screen won t solve the problem because it s a software not hardware issue. Reddit are they bullshitting me? I really don t know if I want to sit around waiting for an update for weeks if it won t even solve anything. Edit: I just saw that the newest update came out two days ago when they had my car... I m even more confused now. https: imgur.com gallery C9tlgjn Update: I asked if they could replace the MCU and they again said it s not an MCU issue so they can t justify replacing it. I refused delivery. They re working on getting my down payment back as well as the delivery fee. I ll be looking at the 2021 3 and Y. I appreciate all your feedback y all! It was the push I needed to refuse this dud. | You wouldn t pay for a broken car from any other manufacturer why would you from Tesla? | If you have the option to refuse then do that. | 105 | 30 | 7,687 |
jr0b4n | 140 | The next US administration wants to add > 500k public charging stations. How should this be done and where? From the platform [not linked since the automod thinks its too political]. ...will work with our nation s governors and mayors to support the deployment of more than 500 000 new public charging outlets by the end of 2030. This sounds like it avoids private property. That s fine in city centers where one can easily walk to destinations from city parking lots or street parking. However once you get out into the suburbs you want charging in the private parking of your destination. How can this be incentivized as well? Does it actually need help? | Use existing rest stops please. They are well spaced and would provide an easy (non confrontational) roadmap for initial development. | Building codes and zoning...no building permit granted if charging is not designed in. | 204 | 4 | 7,688 |
jr0b4n | 140 | The next US administration wants to add > 500k public charging stations. How should this be done and where? From the platform [not linked since the automod thinks its too political]. ...will work with our nation s governors and mayors to support the deployment of more than 500 000 new public charging outlets by the end of 2030. This sounds like it avoids private property. That s fine in city centers where one can easily walk to destinations from city parking lots or street parking. However once you get out into the suburbs you want charging in the private parking of your destination. How can this be incentivized as well? Does it actually need help? | Use existing rest stops please. They are well spaced and would provide an easy (non confrontational) roadmap for initial development. | From what I just read online: > incentivizing companies to build a network of 500 000 electric vehicle charging stations across the country Really nothing more than that really anywhere it seems. Would be nice if it somewhat officially designated a charging standard for the US. I have a feeling its one of those things that is mentioned on the campaign trail but then quickly shoved under the rug once they are in office (for a multitude of reasons) sadly. | 204 | 5 | 7,689 |
jr0b4n | 140 | The next US administration wants to add > 500k public charging stations. How should this be done and where? From the platform [not linked since the automod thinks its too political]. ...will work with our nation s governors and mayors to support the deployment of more than 500 000 new public charging outlets by the end of 2030. This sounds like it avoids private property. That s fine in city centers where one can easily walk to destinations from city parking lots or street parking. However once you get out into the suburbs you want charging in the private parking of your destination. How can this be incentivized as well? Does it actually need help? | Use existing rest stops please. They are well spaced and would provide an easy (non confrontational) roadmap for initial development. | Probably along interstates and highways would be my guess. | 204 | 13 | 7,690 |
jr5y1p | 138 | Hey we re Spigen and would love to hear your thoughts on our latest Tesla Screen Protector for Models 3 Y & #x200B [ ](https: preview.redd.it 08ndgg4az9y51.jpg?width=1024& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=d924474f1a183ad0b69426f72a8d0ff75f0cdf11) Hey TeslaMotors last week we launched our very first Tesla product - our EZ Fit screen protector. We wanted to rid all the pain that comes with traditional screen protector applications by creating an easy tray installation that does the aligning for you. We ve heard some stark opinions on the particular finish of the screen so we created one that s [clear](https: spigen.co 2I1mpwY) and one that s a soft [matte](https: spigen.co 34Rbs9U). Since this is our first time creating a product for Tesla we d love to get your feedback. We re all ears on your thoughts cheers! | Love the concept though wish the applicator could be made of something more environmentally friendly like ridgid card stock or equivalent. Though it is reusable most people will use once and either discard or set aside indefinitely so long as the screen doesn t need replacing. | Currently shows out of stock on Amazon for the Mayte one. What the price? | 62 | 5 | 7,691 |
jr5y1p | 138 | Hey we re Spigen and would love to hear your thoughts on our latest Tesla Screen Protector for Models 3 Y & #x200B [ ](https: preview.redd.it 08ndgg4az9y51.jpg?width=1024& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=d924474f1a183ad0b69426f72a8d0ff75f0cdf11) Hey TeslaMotors last week we launched our very first Tesla product - our EZ Fit screen protector. We wanted to rid all the pain that comes with traditional screen protector applications by creating an easy tray installation that does the aligning for you. We ve heard some stark opinions on the particular finish of the screen so we created one that s [clear](https: spigen.co 2I1mpwY) and one that s a soft [matte](https: spigen.co 34Rbs9U). Since this is our first time creating a product for Tesla we d love to get your feedback. We re all ears on your thoughts cheers! | This is cool to see! Always been a fan of Spigen cases and screen protectors for my phone | Currently shows out of stock on Amazon for the Mayte one. What the price? | 49 | 5 | 7,692 |
jr5y1p | 138 | Hey we re Spigen and would love to hear your thoughts on our latest Tesla Screen Protector for Models 3 Y & #x200B [ ](https: preview.redd.it 08ndgg4az9y51.jpg?width=1024& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=d924474f1a183ad0b69426f72a8d0ff75f0cdf11) Hey TeslaMotors last week we launched our very first Tesla product - our EZ Fit screen protector. We wanted to rid all the pain that comes with traditional screen protector applications by creating an easy tray installation that does the aligning for you. We ve heard some stark opinions on the particular finish of the screen so we created one that s [clear](https: spigen.co 2I1mpwY) and one that s a soft [matte](https: spigen.co 34Rbs9U). Since this is our first time creating a product for Tesla we d love to get your feedback. We re all ears on your thoughts cheers! | I got a matte one. It s great very happy about it no complaints. Instead of having the frame be a one-time use disposable would you considering selling individual screen protectors so that we can reuse the frame? Some people have multiple Teslas in the household and it would save a lot of plastic from entering the waste cycle. | I d definitely be down with trying the Matte out as the current screen protector on my 3 is picking up a bit more fingerprints than I d like. Seems like the Matte is currently out of stock on Amazon. | 36 | 2 | 7,693 |
jra5xv | 105 | Tesla SC replacing Model 3 windshields with acoustic glass Just got my invoice from a windshield replacement done at a service center ($874 total at Clarkston MI for future reference) and noticed that the replacement glass appears to be acoustic glass. M3 WSHLD ASSY LHD IR ACOUSTIC(1466270-00-C) I m not expecting a noticeable change when I pick it up tomorrow but I thought it was cool that the new noise reduction glass is making it into replacement windshields even for my 2018. I hadn t heard it reported before perhaps this knowledge will take the sting out of that sad rock chip that is so prevalent in this area. Edit to add: It seems like a lot of people have already seen this item being put in their car for some time now. My bad. The service tech did say it s relatively recent when I picked it up but I wasn t convinced he knew what he was talking about. I have good ears and I d be lying if I said I could notice a difference. | \\*BREAKS OWN WINDSHIELD\\* | I ve got a cracked windshield on my 3 so I hope when I go to replacement I get this update. Even if it s only a slight improvement it would be nice. | 153 | 4 | 7,694 |
jra5xv | 105 | Tesla SC replacing Model 3 windshields with acoustic glass Just got my invoice from a windshield replacement done at a service center ($874 total at Clarkston MI for future reference) and noticed that the replacement glass appears to be acoustic glass. M3 WSHLD ASSY LHD IR ACOUSTIC(1466270-00-C) I m not expecting a noticeable change when I pick it up tomorrow but I thought it was cool that the new noise reduction glass is making it into replacement windshields even for my 2018. I hadn t heard it reported before perhaps this knowledge will take the sting out of that sad rock chip that is so prevalent in this area. Edit to add: It seems like a lot of people have already seen this item being put in their car for some time now. My bad. The service tech did say it s relatively recent when I picked it up but I wasn t convinced he knew what he was talking about. I have good ears and I d be lying if I said I could notice a difference. | \\*BREAKS OWN WINDSHIELD\\* | That would be awesome if true. I had my windshield tinted (for heat rejection) and I noticed a slight reduction in noise at highway speeds. But that s my opinion no data to back it up. | 153 | 4 | 7,695 |
jra5xv | 105 | Tesla SC replacing Model 3 windshields with acoustic glass Just got my invoice from a windshield replacement done at a service center ($874 total at Clarkston MI for future reference) and noticed that the replacement glass appears to be acoustic glass. M3 WSHLD ASSY LHD IR ACOUSTIC(1466270-00-C) I m not expecting a noticeable change when I pick it up tomorrow but I thought it was cool that the new noise reduction glass is making it into replacement windshields even for my 2018. I hadn t heard it reported before perhaps this knowledge will take the sting out of that sad rock chip that is so prevalent in this area. Edit to add: It seems like a lot of people have already seen this item being put in their car for some time now. My bad. The service tech did say it s relatively recent when I picked it up but I wasn t convinced he knew what he was talking about. I have good ears and I d be lying if I said I could notice a difference. | \\*BREAKS OWN WINDSHIELD\\* | I think that is what you already have. It is the windows that have been updated. | 153 | 47 | 7,696 |
jros0a | 697 | Model 3s on the way to Europe right now already have new Panasonic cells The Model 3 Long Range & Performance that are on the way to Europe right now most likely already have the new Panasonic cells. I am talking about the cells mentioned here with 5% increased capacity: [https: electrek.co 2020 11 03 tesla-tsla-new-battery-cells-panasonic-faster-charging-capacity ](https: electrek.co 2020 11 03 tesla-tsla-new-battery-cells-panasonic-faster-charging-capacity ) When shipping to Europe Tesla already sends the papers to the customer before the car arrives so that they can be registered beforehand and a smooth pickup is guaranteed. That is why some German owners already have registration for their cars that are due to be picked up in late November or December. These papers state a battery capacity of 82 kWh. On the 2019 & 2020 Model 3 the capacity in the same paper is 79 kWh. The difference matches the 5% energy density increase mentioned in the article. https: preview.redd.it 1s4y9x7a1gy51.png?width=425& format=png& auto=webp& s=83ee073a743db9bdb2ae738a859501b827a1d828 So in a few weeks we will hopefully know what the excellent fast charge performance that is quoted from Celina Mikolajczak in the article actually means. Source for the picture: [https: tff-forum.de t model-3-refresh-aus-oktober-2020 82613 2770](https: tff-forum.de t model-3-refresh-aus-oktober-2020 82613 2770) | Excellent. I was wondering if 5% more capacity per cell meant a corresponding 5% fewer cells to keep it at \\~75kwh. Guess now we know more density = more capacity | Good find! | 136 | 4 | 7,697 |
jros0a | 697 | Model 3s on the way to Europe right now already have new Panasonic cells The Model 3 Long Range & Performance that are on the way to Europe right now most likely already have the new Panasonic cells. I am talking about the cells mentioned here with 5% increased capacity: [https: electrek.co 2020 11 03 tesla-tsla-new-battery-cells-panasonic-faster-charging-capacity ](https: electrek.co 2020 11 03 tesla-tsla-new-battery-cells-panasonic-faster-charging-capacity ) When shipping to Europe Tesla already sends the papers to the customer before the car arrives so that they can be registered beforehand and a smooth pickup is guaranteed. That is why some German owners already have registration for their cars that are due to be picked up in late November or December. These papers state a battery capacity of 82 kWh. On the 2019 & 2020 Model 3 the capacity in the same paper is 79 kWh. The difference matches the 5% energy density increase mentioned in the article. https: preview.redd.it 1s4y9x7a1gy51.png?width=425& format=png& auto=webp& s=83ee073a743db9bdb2ae738a859501b827a1d828 So in a few weeks we will hopefully know what the excellent fast charge performance that is quoted from Celina Mikolajczak in the article actually means. Source for the picture: [https: tff-forum.de t model-3-refresh-aus-oktober-2020 82613 2770](https: tff-forum.de t model-3-refresh-aus-oktober-2020 82613 2770) | Excellent. I was wondering if 5% more capacity per cell meant a corresponding 5% fewer cells to keep it at \\~75kwh. Guess now we know more density = more capacity | With the current supercharger coverage 5% doesn t really interest me but I am really excited about the excellent fast charge performance . I also wonder if the discharge performance will be improved though that may be more about the heat created from the tab than the cell chemistry. | 136 | 4 | 7,698 |
jros0a | 697 | Model 3s on the way to Europe right now already have new Panasonic cells The Model 3 Long Range & Performance that are on the way to Europe right now most likely already have the new Panasonic cells. I am talking about the cells mentioned here with 5% increased capacity: [https: electrek.co 2020 11 03 tesla-tsla-new-battery-cells-panasonic-faster-charging-capacity ](https: electrek.co 2020 11 03 tesla-tsla-new-battery-cells-panasonic-faster-charging-capacity ) When shipping to Europe Tesla already sends the papers to the customer before the car arrives so that they can be registered beforehand and a smooth pickup is guaranteed. That is why some German owners already have registration for their cars that are due to be picked up in late November or December. These papers state a battery capacity of 82 kWh. On the 2019 & 2020 Model 3 the capacity in the same paper is 79 kWh. The difference matches the 5% energy density increase mentioned in the article. https: preview.redd.it 1s4y9x7a1gy51.png?width=425& format=png& auto=webp& s=83ee073a743db9bdb2ae738a859501b827a1d828 So in a few weeks we will hopefully know what the excellent fast charge performance that is quoted from Celina Mikolajczak in the article actually means. Source for the picture: [https: tff-forum.de t model-3-refresh-aus-oktober-2020 82613 2770](https: tff-forum.de t model-3-refresh-aus-oktober-2020 82613 2770) | Excellent. I was wondering if 5% more capacity per cell meant a corresponding 5% fewer cells to keep it at \\~75kwh. Guess now we know more density = more capacity | Oooh here s hoping my p3 that arrives next month has the same. | 136 | 24 | 7,699 |
jrpk17 | 113 | The next administration wants to expand the federal tax credit for EVs who have already hit the threshold. Anyone else delaying their 2021 Tesla purchase to take advantage? It appears the next administration has a whole bunch of ideas to encourage EV sales including a federal program to create 500 000 charging stations and an updated cash for clunkers plan that will give you extra cash for your ICE-to-EV trade in. But probably the most interesting is the expansion of the federal tax credit that would allow companies that had previously hit the threshold of car sales (GM and Tesla) to qualify for the credit again. Current numbers being tossed around are anywhere from 600 000 more cars to unlimited. With that said it could mean up to a $7k discount on a Tesla purchased in 2021. Is anyone else considering delaying their purchase for a chance to take advantage of this? | It all depends on how much you want to wait vs having the car now. Also most carmakers have adjusted their MSRPs to reflect the tax credit to some degree. Tesla dropped their prices across the board as the tax credits phased out. Before that the Germans did the same with the advanced diesel tax credits. So your overall savings likely won t be the $7500 you think. Also given how divided Congress is I don t know if I share your optimism that the administration s ambition will match what gets accomplished. | Certainly enticing to wait but I think it will be a while before you could benefit. January + however many months for legislation. But if you are patient why not? | 57 | 6 | 7,700 |
jrpk17 | 113 | The next administration wants to expand the federal tax credit for EVs who have already hit the threshold. Anyone else delaying their 2021 Tesla purchase to take advantage? It appears the next administration has a whole bunch of ideas to encourage EV sales including a federal program to create 500 000 charging stations and an updated cash for clunkers plan that will give you extra cash for your ICE-to-EV trade in. But probably the most interesting is the expansion of the federal tax credit that would allow companies that had previously hit the threshold of car sales (GM and Tesla) to qualify for the credit again. Current numbers being tossed around are anywhere from 600 000 more cars to unlimited. With that said it could mean up to a $7k discount on a Tesla purchased in 2021. Is anyone else considering delaying their purchase for a chance to take advantage of this? | It all depends on how much you want to wait vs having the car now. Also most carmakers have adjusted their MSRPs to reflect the tax credit to some degree. Tesla dropped their prices across the board as the tax credits phased out. Before that the Germans did the same with the advanced diesel tax credits. So your overall savings likely won t be the $7500 you think. Also given how divided Congress is I don t know if I share your optimism that the administration s ambition will match what gets accomplished. | What income bracket would get the full $7500? | 57 | 13 | 7,701 |
jrpk17 | 113 | The next administration wants to expand the federal tax credit for EVs who have already hit the threshold. Anyone else delaying their 2021 Tesla purchase to take advantage? It appears the next administration has a whole bunch of ideas to encourage EV sales including a federal program to create 500 000 charging stations and an updated cash for clunkers plan that will give you extra cash for your ICE-to-EV trade in. But probably the most interesting is the expansion of the federal tax credit that would allow companies that had previously hit the threshold of car sales (GM and Tesla) to qualify for the credit again. Current numbers being tossed around are anywhere from 600 000 more cars to unlimited. With that said it could mean up to a $7k discount on a Tesla purchased in 2021. Is anyone else considering delaying their purchase for a chance to take advantage of this? | You better hope Georgia flips the senate because no way in hell would Mitch let that pass. | source please? | 48 | 4 | 7,702 |
jrsg2w | 47 | If you had a budget of $50k would you buy a Model 3 Y or used S? Just like the title says I have a budget of about $50k. I want to buy a new or used car. I currently drive a Honda Civic so I am used to a smaller car so I was thinking about the 3. But my wife thinks I should get an adult car and get the S. Or I could get the Y as well. I don t need a super long range. My commute is only 10 miles. I would have free trickle charging at work. I do need AWD. So which would you buy and why? | > But my wife thinks I should get an adult car and get the S You should ask her what kids are buying Model 3s and Ys? & #x200B Test drive them all. I also came from a Civic and love my 3. I test drove the S and felt like it was driving a really fast couch. Felt big and bulky. | 3 or Y are my only recommendations | 93 | 2 | 7,703 |
jrsg2w | 47 | If you had a budget of $50k would you buy a Model 3 Y or used S? Just like the title says I have a budget of about $50k. I want to buy a new or used car. I currently drive a Honda Civic so I am used to a smaller car so I was thinking about the 3. But my wife thinks I should get an adult car and get the S. Or I could get the Y as well. I don t need a super long range. My commute is only 10 miles. I would have free trickle charging at work. I do need AWD. So which would you buy and why? | > But my wife thinks I should get an adult car and get the S You should ask her what kids are buying Model 3s and Ys? & #x200B Test drive them all. I also came from a Civic and love my 3. I test drove the S and felt like it was driving a really fast couch. Felt big and bulky. | 3 or Y for the newer batteries primarily but also I think they are better looking cars both inside and out. | 93 | 3 | 7,704 |
jrsg2w | 47 | If you had a budget of $50k would you buy a Model 3 Y or used S? Just like the title says I have a budget of about $50k. I want to buy a new or used car. I currently drive a Honda Civic so I am used to a smaller car so I was thinking about the 3. But my wife thinks I should get an adult car and get the S. Or I could get the Y as well. I don t need a super long range. My commute is only 10 miles. I would have free trickle charging at work. I do need AWD. So which would you buy and why? | > But my wife thinks I should get an adult car and get the S You should ask her what kids are buying Model 3s and Ys? & #x200B Test drive them all. I also came from a Civic and love my 3. I test drove the S and felt like it was driving a really fast couch. Felt big and bulky. | 3 if budget conscious (plus you get some extra range with the latest revision) Y if space conscious. | 93 | 5 | 7,705 |
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