post_id
stringlengths 6
7
| post_score
float64 21
16.4k
| post
stringlengths 40
21.2k
| chosen_ans
stringlengths 2
9.94k
| rejected_ans
stringlengths 1
4.04k
| chosen_score
float64 28
3.74k
| rejected_score
float64 2
555
| __index_level_0__
int64 6
9.98k
|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
iv90tf | 49 | Cybertruck Frunk? Will the cybetruck get a frunk? I was just looking at renders realized how handy it d be if you could open the frunk for easy access to 120V toolbox storage etc. My buddy who is a contractor said the cybertruck design is useless because he ll have to crawl in the back of his truck to get basic shit all day. Never occurred to me. | The presentation renders showed storage in the Frunk under the truck bed and in the side pillars: [https: www.teslarati.com wp-content uploads 2019 11 tesla-cybertruck-sail-storage.jpeg](https: www.teslarati.com wp-content uploads 2019 11 tesla-cybertruck-sail-storage.jpeg) | The drunk and then sail storage will be plenty for anytime someone needs storage. People act like they are reaching over the bed of an F150 and swinging a generator out or something. | 48 | 15 | 7,506 |
iv90tf | 49 | Cybertruck Frunk? Will the cybetruck get a frunk? I was just looking at renders realized how handy it d be if you could open the frunk for easy access to 120V toolbox storage etc. My buddy who is a contractor said the cybertruck design is useless because he ll have to crawl in the back of his truck to get basic shit all day. Never occurred to me. | Does your contractor friend realize his current pickup doesn t have a Frunk. So at worst it will be the same amount of uselessness. I mean unless your contractor friend has a 8 bed I really don t see how any EV will be less useful. If you re talking about range and towing range that s different. | Yea it does with side storage in the sail pillars storage under the floor of the “vault” bed. There will be plenty of storage places for tools and supplies. I m a contractor and this is going to be my service vehicle. The Cybertruck will be as useless as any conventional pickup when it comes to using it as a contractors service vehicle. | 48 | 17 | 7,507 |
ivgmpc | 246 | Thoughts after 4 000 mile 12 day road trip in Model 3 SR+ My wife and I bought the SR+ at the end of June and since the Tesla sales guy was nice enough to hook us up with free supercharging for a year we decided to make the most of it. Was a little nervous going into it having not taken a LONG road trip since college along with the relatively limited range of the SR+ but with Covid & cabin fever eating away at us we went for it. In summary the trip was AMAZING. Autopilot is a god-send for long highways and allowed me to do 100% of the driving (my wife did offer to help..) and still feel relatively refreshed and excited wherever our destination was. Something about having a car drive for you releases certain euphoric chemicals in my brain that are energizing. I m sure this will wear off in due time. The supercharger network is very robust and I rarely felt range anxiety (except on the way back as I will detail below). The trip was from Milwaukee -> Denver (2 nights) -> Moab (2 nights - visited Canyonlands and Arches) -> Salt Lake City -> Jackson WY (Grand Teton) -> Yellowstone -> Red Lodge Montana -> South Dakota (Black Hills and Badlands) -> Back to MKE (11 states) **General thoughts:** * The battery arrival estimator was generally fairly accurate in good conditions. I usually ended about 5-10% lower than what the estimator thought going 5-10 over on highways with AC on (80-90 degrees) and music playing. I knew to expect this and made sure I had at least 15% charge at minimum. * Avg energy used: 262 Wh mi * The Tesla is a blast driving up and down mountains and around national parks. Make sure you do this. It seemed like I got better mileage going up and down mountains from the regenerative braking vs. just a straight road. I ve read this isn t the case but that s how it seemed at the time. * Superchargers were generally conveniently placed - I never ran into any chargers that didn t work and never had to wait for a spot. With the exception of Wyoming they weren t much further than 100 miles apart. The national park chargers are key. One night in Murdo SD (middle of nowhere) we were starving and needing to charge at around 9 PM and the supercharger was right next to a delicious pizza place that was probably the only restaurant open in town. Felt very fortunate in that moment. * If its after 9 10 pm there s a good likelihood you won t have a bathroom available at a supercharger since many are near retail restaurants malls and not gas stations hotels. There was more than once I had to improvise a bit.. * We got to experience ALL types of weather from 30 degrees and a snowstorm to 100 degree blazing sun. The Tesla definitely prefers warm weather... The freak rainstorm snowstorm in Wyoming and South Dakota was intense and good lesson in battery management. The highways were very wet it was windy and the battery got POUNDED. There was one portion at the beginning of the storm where thank god I left with about **35%** estimated battery to the next charger because I arrived with around **5%**. At one point was doing 55 on a 80 mph highway for a bit. Hopefully in the future the estimator will better be able to account for wind speed temperature change precipitation in its calculation (is it supposed to already?). The estimate would start high then drop very quickly during this portion. It s like it starts the learning process on the current conditions over on each charging stop? * We car camped one night in Yellowstone. It was fun for the novelty but awfully tight for 2 adults who are used to a king bed. We had some inflatable mats would probably be better with a low-profile twin air-mattress. With some anti-anxiety meds I was able to get a decent night of rest at least. The rest of the days we found hotels the day before generally (which was a bad idea for Jackson Hole over Labor day weekend. Whoops..$$$$) * My wife LOVED the fact she could watch Selling Sunset on Netflix during charges. I usually walked around or planned out the next bit of driving sightseeing. I ve read how some people hate having to stop several times for a road trip. I didn t mind it at all and found it refreshing and interesting to see different places and what was around the superchargers (only exception at the VERY end when I wanted to get through Wisconsin and get the f\\*ck home). * Had a LOT of people in parking lots parks wherever ask me questions about the Tesla. I was happy to provide plenty of positive info to them and they all seemed very intrigued. People are generally floored to know the car only costs $40k. * Only times we didn t use superchargers were in Red Lodge MT (public level 2 Tesla destination charger) and car camping in Yellowstone with a 110v plug in to maintain battery for AC at night and a small fan. * After we got back and resumed normal use at home the max battery charge is stated at 240 instead of 250. 4% battery degradation in less than 7K miles seems excessive? Hopefully the calibration is off or something.. **Thoughts on Auto-pilot (basic only sorry):** * Generally worked fantastic. * I think I only had 1 or 2 phantom breaks over the whole trip. * Probably used it 80-85% of the time. * On many mountain highways it was not safe to use. Speed limit would be 70 but then it s temporarily 35 bps because of curves. Autopilot did not know about curve slowdowns. Maybe with the most recent update this is fixed? That would make it a lot more usable. I finally got pretty good at the scroll-wheel to adjust the cruise speed towards the end which helped. * Still even if it knew the speed I generally felt nervous going around curves with cars next to me. It would tend to hug the inside of the lane which was way too close for comfort. It also went over the outside lane once or twice on curves (not going over the speed limit) so after that I usually drove manually. I didn t mind too much since the mountains are fun to drive but could be improved on for sure. * Auto-pilot became inactive during much of the snowstorm. Not surprising but notable. Only time on the trip I couldn t use it on a highway besides a short point in Utah when the sun was too intense. * Auto-pilot did work great in the rain which was very helpful and relieved a massive amount of stress. * Very nice to have on slow national park roads to take in the sights! That was probably too long. Do people read this far? Much of the drive was beautiful not including Illinois Iowa and Nebraska. | People forget how amazing it is you were able to drive in the Northern part of the US in an SR. For a long time the Supercharging network was very very few and far between. I really enjoyed your story because it shows we re getting closer to no range anxiety anywhere in the US. | How often were you able to charge overnight and start with a full battery? | 41 | 10 | 7,508 |
ivpifg | 26 | Are Teslas just blind to 65mph signs? Model 3 owner here: why will my car not recognize a 65mph sign? The speed limit recognition is working very well since the latest update EXCEPT for 65mph. Which happens to be the speed on the interstate I travel every day. So autopilot defaults to 45mph and I have to steer my car like some sort of peon in normal cruise control. | > Speed Assist now leverages your car s cameras to detect speed limit signs to improve the accuracy of speed limit data **on local roads**. That s from the release notes. It s not super consistent right now: I ve seen my car recognize a few interstate speed limit signs and render them in the visualization but not actually adjust the detected speed limit on interstates. | Are your beta fsd features turned on? Should see standard speed limit signs. If the sign has any extra writing above or below it or if there is any colors it will ignore it currently. | 36 | 4 | 7,509 |
iwgoal | 27 | Dual versus Tri motor Cybertruck? In July I reserved a Dual motor CT because 20k seemed much for the extra 200 miles charge. I was think that I very rarely drive more than 300 miles a day. I also reserved FSD for 8k. Then I started thinking about the concept of ride sharing it out and use of battery capacity in other ways like VTG. Don t know if I will rent my CT and if VTG is real thing but I m starting to think 20k for the extra battery may actually be worth it. I checked so I know I can update my order to a Tri but should I? Thought I would get so me opinions from the Tesla community before I decide. Thanks in advance! | If you plan to use your CT for hauling anything for any appreciable distance the added range will likely come in handy. I assume the 500mi model will get me about 250mi towing... | I ride my bike to work and almost never use my car during the week but I purchased my LR AWD because I love to take road trips. I ve gone from CA to FL 3x already plus seeing family in other states multiple times. | 51 | 5 | 7,510 |
iwgoal | 27 | Dual versus Tri motor Cybertruck? In July I reserved a Dual motor CT because 20k seemed much for the extra 200 miles charge. I was think that I very rarely drive more than 300 miles a day. I also reserved FSD for 8k. Then I started thinking about the concept of ride sharing it out and use of battery capacity in other ways like VTG. Don t know if I will rent my CT and if VTG is real thing but I m starting to think 20k for the extra battery may actually be worth it. I checked so I know I can update my order to a Tri but should I? Thought I would get so me opinions from the Tesla community before I decide. Thanks in advance! | It s seriously so far away that I wouldn t worry about using your CT as a fleet vehicle. | I ride my bike to work and almost never use my car during the week but I purchased my LR AWD because I love to take road trips. I ve gone from CA to FL 3x already plus seeing family in other states multiple times. | 45 | 5 | 7,511 |
iwl67r | 21 | How do i reallign the trunk on my model 3? The trunk lid on my model 3 was misaligned as I got the car in March resulting in damage in the rear bumber with some paint chipping off. Tesla already fixed it twice and the second time they did a crazy adjustment of the trunk lid making the taillights go out of alignment and leaving a huge gap i general between the trunk lid and the rest of the car panels. After the last time they fixed it I asked specifically about the inner rubber gasket and wether to keep it as it is or to adjust it to be on the outside. The technicians take was to have the gasket go “outside”. I have seen others claim that this in general fixes the other issue with the trunk chipping off paint as well? In general it s functional and it works but the gaps just hurt my eyes! How do I realign the trunk? | bring it back and make them fix it. don t fuck with this yourself if it s clearly their fault. You shouldn t have accepted the car after either the 2 fixes if it was that obvious. | Here are some pictures of the misalignment: https: imgur.com a EghWoWF | 35 | 5 | 7,512 |
iwroup | 139 | Tie Spotify Profile to Driver Profile In times of Covid I m living with my parents and we re sharing vehicles. Guess which car gets driven the most? :D My Model 3. But when mom and dad hop in my car to take it out they end up breaking my Spotify stream everywhere else because they want to listen to their classic rock in the car. He has his own driver profile in the car but I really wish I could connect HIS Spotify profile to the car while he drives so that he and I don t have to fight over who gets to stream. | Tie _EVERYTHING_ to driver profile. Why there is this weird variation on what is included and what isn t makes no sense especially when the only way to find out is trial and error. | Could you get them to use the streaming music and you use Spotify? | 35 | 3 | 7,513 |
iwroup | 139 | Tie Spotify Profile to Driver Profile In times of Covid I m living with my parents and we re sharing vehicles. Guess which car gets driven the most? :D My Model 3. But when mom and dad hop in my car to take it out they end up breaking my Spotify stream everywhere else because they want to listen to their classic rock in the car. He has his own driver profile in the car but I really wish I could connect HIS Spotify profile to the car while he drives so that he and I don t have to fight over who gets to stream. | Tie _EVERYTHING_ to driver profile. Why there is this weird variation on what is included and what isn t makes no sense especially when the only way to find out is trial and error. | You could use Tesla s account for the car Spotify. You won t have your saved albums and playlists but I think it beats the alternative. | 35 | 4 | 7,514 |
iwroup | 139 | Tie Spotify Profile to Driver Profile In times of Covid I m living with my parents and we re sharing vehicles. Guess which car gets driven the most? :D My Model 3. But when mom and dad hop in my car to take it out they end up breaking my Spotify stream everywhere else because they want to listen to their classic rock in the car. He has his own driver profile in the car but I really wish I could connect HIS Spotify profile to the car while he drives so that he and I don t have to fight over who gets to stream. | Tie _EVERYTHING_ to driver profile. Why there is this weird variation on what is included and what isn t makes no sense especially when the only way to find out is trial and error. | Agreed this would be nice. A better workaround (if you have an unused slot available for your Spotify family account) is to make the Tesla it s own account. | 35 | 5 | 7,515 |
iws58g | 292 | Model 3 Fact-Finding - An End-to-End Efficiency Analysis I was inspired by [Engineering Explained]( u EngineeringExplained) s video [Are Teslas Really That Efficient?](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=jKm-CtIaIRw). In it Jason works out how much energy in the battery makes it to the wheels to do work of pushing the car forward and found that the minimum powertrain efficiency [was 71% at 70 mph](https: youtu.be jKm-CtIaIRw?t=492). That seemed low to me so I set out to attempt to answer the question in greater detail starting with more accurate measurements taken from the CAN bus using [Scan My Tesla](https: sites.google.com view scanmytesla home). On the path to the answer I also examined the efficiency of various AC & DC charging methods and the DC-DC conversion efficiency as well as efficiencies of launches and of regen braking. I break it down further in the comments but the full album of data is here: https: imgur.com a 1emMQAV | u EngineeringExplained is on reddit I m sure he ll love your analysis | Great read. Thanks for sharing. | 32 | 2 | 7,516 |
iws58g | 292 | Model 3 Fact-Finding - An End-to-End Efficiency Analysis I was inspired by [Engineering Explained]( u EngineeringExplained) s video [Are Teslas Really That Efficient?](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=jKm-CtIaIRw). In it Jason works out how much energy in the battery makes it to the wheels to do work of pushing the car forward and found that the minimum powertrain efficiency [was 71% at 70 mph](https: youtu.be jKm-CtIaIRw?t=492). That seemed low to me so I set out to attempt to answer the question in greater detail starting with more accurate measurements taken from the CAN bus using [Scan My Tesla](https: sites.google.com view scanmytesla home). On the path to the answer I also examined the efficiency of various AC & DC charging methods and the DC-DC conversion efficiency as well as efficiencies of launches and of regen braking. I break it down further in the comments but the full album of data is here: https: imgur.com a 1emMQAV | u EngineeringExplained is on reddit I m sure he ll love your analysis | Awesome data. | 32 | 3 | 7,517 |
ix2x81 | 469 | 2020 Annual Meeting of Stockholders and 🔋 Battery Day Megathread This has been a long time coming!! We re super excited with you. The event starting time is 1:30 PM Pacific. Find your local time [here](https: www.timeanddate.com worldclock fixedtime.html?msg=Tesla+Battery+Day& iso=20200922T1330& p1=224). During the event and through tomorrow we will be manually approving posts in order to reduce the overall number of reposted content. We will do our due dilligence to ensure new content continues to flow. Please keep in mind that we are strict on toxicity. Be kind to your fellow human and have fun. **Comments sorted by New so refreshing will bring you the latest!** [Shareholder Meeting Link](https: www.tesla.com 2020shareholdermeeting) | [Schedule](https: preview.redd.it 4d97g6ivbro51.jpg?width=640& crop=smart& auto=webp& s=1c7ad60dd7789144295e438aea839c369e01aa00) [YouTube Livestream](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=l6T9xIeZTds) | [Reddit-Stream Live Comments](https: www.reddit-stream.com r teslamotors comments ix2x81 2020_annual_meeting_of_stockholders_and_battery ) | [Discord Chat](https: discord.gg tesla) Twitter: [@elonmusk](https: twitter.com elonmusk) | [@Tesla](https: twitter.com tesla) | [\\#BatteryDay](https: twitter.com hashtag BatteryDay?src=hashtag_click) [3... 2... 1... aaand here... we.... go.](https: media.giphy.com media hTDQBdMlPDEeewFFhl giphy.gif). **r TeslaMotors hits 800 000 subscribers!!** **The Battery Presentation has concluded...** - Rewatch [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=l6T9xIeZTds) - Slides from the event [here](https: imgur.com a UyE5A1u) - Print your own STL (3D Printer file) of the 3 cells [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments izpy27 4680_vs_2170_vs_18650_3d_comparison ) | 54% increase in range 56% $ kwh reduction 69% reduction in investment per gwh ***MIC DROP*** | Youtube link is up | 219 | 2 | 7,518 |
ix2x81 | 469 | 2020 Annual Meeting of Stockholders and 🔋 Battery Day Megathread This has been a long time coming!! We re super excited with you. The event starting time is 1:30 PM Pacific. Find your local time [here](https: www.timeanddate.com worldclock fixedtime.html?msg=Tesla+Battery+Day& iso=20200922T1330& p1=224). During the event and through tomorrow we will be manually approving posts in order to reduce the overall number of reposted content. We will do our due dilligence to ensure new content continues to flow. Please keep in mind that we are strict on toxicity. Be kind to your fellow human and have fun. **Comments sorted by New so refreshing will bring you the latest!** [Shareholder Meeting Link](https: www.tesla.com 2020shareholdermeeting) | [Schedule](https: preview.redd.it 4d97g6ivbro51.jpg?width=640& crop=smart& auto=webp& s=1c7ad60dd7789144295e438aea839c369e01aa00) [YouTube Livestream](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=l6T9xIeZTds) | [Reddit-Stream Live Comments](https: www.reddit-stream.com r teslamotors comments ix2x81 2020_annual_meeting_of_stockholders_and_battery ) | [Discord Chat](https: discord.gg tesla) Twitter: [@elonmusk](https: twitter.com elonmusk) | [@Tesla](https: twitter.com tesla) | [\\#BatteryDay](https: twitter.com hashtag BatteryDay?src=hashtag_click) [3... 2... 1... aaand here... we.... go.](https: media.giphy.com media hTDQBdMlPDEeewFFhl giphy.gif). **r TeslaMotors hits 800 000 subscribers!!** **The Battery Presentation has concluded...** - Rewatch [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=l6T9xIeZTds) - Slides from the event [here](https: imgur.com a UyE5A1u) - Print your own STL (3D Printer file) of the 3 cells [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments izpy27 4680_vs_2170_vs_18650_3d_comparison ) | 54% increase in range 56% $ kwh reduction 69% reduction in investment per gwh ***MIC DROP*** | Where is the big S3XY battery! | 219 | 2 | 7,519 |
ix2x81 | 469 | 2020 Annual Meeting of Stockholders and 🔋 Battery Day Megathread This has been a long time coming!! We re super excited with you. The event starting time is 1:30 PM Pacific. Find your local time [here](https: www.timeanddate.com worldclock fixedtime.html?msg=Tesla+Battery+Day& iso=20200922T1330& p1=224). During the event and through tomorrow we will be manually approving posts in order to reduce the overall number of reposted content. We will do our due dilligence to ensure new content continues to flow. Please keep in mind that we are strict on toxicity. Be kind to your fellow human and have fun. **Comments sorted by New so refreshing will bring you the latest!** [Shareholder Meeting Link](https: www.tesla.com 2020shareholdermeeting) | [Schedule](https: preview.redd.it 4d97g6ivbro51.jpg?width=640& crop=smart& auto=webp& s=1c7ad60dd7789144295e438aea839c369e01aa00) [YouTube Livestream](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=l6T9xIeZTds) | [Reddit-Stream Live Comments](https: www.reddit-stream.com r teslamotors comments ix2x81 2020_annual_meeting_of_stockholders_and_battery ) | [Discord Chat](https: discord.gg tesla) Twitter: [@elonmusk](https: twitter.com elonmusk) | [@Tesla](https: twitter.com tesla) | [\\#BatteryDay](https: twitter.com hashtag BatteryDay?src=hashtag_click) [3... 2... 1... aaand here... we.... go.](https: media.giphy.com media hTDQBdMlPDEeewFFhl giphy.gif). **r TeslaMotors hits 800 000 subscribers!!** **The Battery Presentation has concluded...** - Rewatch [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=l6T9xIeZTds) - Slides from the event [here](https: imgur.com a UyE5A1u) - Print your own STL (3D Printer file) of the 3 cells [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments izpy27 4680_vs_2170_vs_18650_3d_comparison ) | 54% increase in range 56% $ kwh reduction 69% reduction in investment per gwh ***MIC DROP*** | Goodbye ICE! | 219 | 2 | 7,520 |
ix5j56 | 47 | I m a Tesla investor but can someone please explain to me how Tesla will maintain their battery advantage of 5+ years according to many people like ARK? I get how they are that far ahead and will keep innovating on top. But what s to stop the 20+ serious competitors out there from just using Tesla s batteries as a base and innovating from there? What s to stop them from just buying a Tesla taking out the battery reverse engineering and adding something a bit different and make their own patents? Are battery patents very hard to slightly iterate? I don t really understand how Tesla s innovation won t be copied or used similarly by others within a year nevermind 5+ years. Explain? Edit: blown away y all ! Thank you. To the moon. | Vertical integration of most engineering aspects of the business from battery design software control electronic circuits and hardware chips charging infrastructure insurance factory design vehicle cast parts the list goes on. | Battery day is tomorrow. All will be explained then. | 62 | 2 | 7,521 |
ix5j56 | 47 | I m a Tesla investor but can someone please explain to me how Tesla will maintain their battery advantage of 5+ years according to many people like ARK? I get how they are that far ahead and will keep innovating on top. But what s to stop the 20+ serious competitors out there from just using Tesla s batteries as a base and innovating from there? What s to stop them from just buying a Tesla taking out the battery reverse engineering and adding something a bit different and make their own patents? Are battery patents very hard to slightly iterate? I don t really understand how Tesla s innovation won t be copied or used similarly by others within a year nevermind 5+ years. Explain? Edit: blown away y all ! Thank you. To the moon. | Vertical integration of most engineering aspects of the business from battery design software control electronic circuits and hardware chips charging infrastructure insurance factory design vehicle cast parts the list goes on. | Do they need to maintain a significant lead in batteries 5+ years from now? I d imagine that on a 5+ year horizon autonomy starts to become the more significant differentiator. | 62 | 5 | 7,522 |
ix5j56 | 47 | I m a Tesla investor but can someone please explain to me how Tesla will maintain their battery advantage of 5+ years according to many people like ARK? I get how they are that far ahead and will keep innovating on top. But what s to stop the 20+ serious competitors out there from just using Tesla s batteries as a base and innovating from there? What s to stop them from just buying a Tesla taking out the battery reverse engineering and adding something a bit different and make their own patents? Are battery patents very hard to slightly iterate? I don t really understand how Tesla s innovation won t be copied or used similarly by others within a year nevermind 5+ years. Explain? Edit: blown away y all ! Thank you. To the moon. | what have stop competitors doing so for the past 8 years? | Battery day is tomorrow. All will be explained then. | 40 | 2 | 7,523 |
ix5zqy | 32 | Very confused about FSD **EDIT: Thanks to everyone who replied below. That really helps clear things up.** \\-- I just test drove a Model Y. Here s the scoop on my confusion: 1. I keep hearing that if we sell the car that the FSD feature goes poof . Tesla agent looked confused and told me that it s tied to the VIN and would transfer with the sale. 2. When I go to purchase a Model Y there s no EAP upgrade option for $4k like I keep seeing here. Just the $8k FSD option. What am I missing here? Also we talked about fit and finish concerns and he mentioned that COVID disrupted things and resulted in some rough cars but everything is back to normal now (in terms of quality). Any truth to this? | 1. FSD is tied to the vehicle. If you sell it privately it retains FSD. Sometimes when people sell the car back to Tesla they remove FSD when they sell it used. Don t believe everything you read online especially when people are trying to drum up controversy for clicks. 2. EAP is a limited time offer for current owners. If you re able to take delivery before September 30th it s theoretically possible you could add it but it s supposed to go away then. That being said it could always come back. Quality is roughly the same story as with the Model 3. New vehicles have kinks to work out of the assembly line but they do get better. | 1 it does if you sell. If you trade-in then Tesla can do whatever they want. 2. EAP is a post delivery option only. You pay $4000 on credit card after delivery assuming you take delivery by end of day 9 30 | 53 | 3 | 7,524 |
ixmweq | 184 | Pre-Event Megathread: 2020 Annual Meeting of Stockholders and 🔋 Battery Day (1:30PM Pacific Time) Have fun speculate and most importantly be kind. We will have a primary event megathread (that will replace this post) 30 minutes before the event start time. Find your local time [here](https: www.timeanddate.com worldclock fixedtime.html?msg=Tesla+Battery+Day& iso=20200922T1330& p1=224). [Shareholder Meeting Link](https: www.tesla.com 2020shareholdermeeting) Direct Livestream Link [TBD] [Live Discord Chat](https: discord.gg tesla) Twitter: [@elonmusk](https: twitter.com elonmusk) | [@Tesla](https: twitter.com tesla) | [\\#BatteryDay](https: twitter.com hashtag BatteryDay?src=hashtag_click) | Any bets on when it will actually start? It s not a Tesla event if it starts on time | yay! batteries! | 84 | 15 | 7,525 |
ixyh4i | 1,406 | Tesla announces new Plaid Model S. $140k starting price. < 2.0s 0-60mph 200mph top speed. < 9s 1 4mi. Laguna Seca 1:30.3. Coming late 2021. Additional info: 520mi range. 1100hp. 3 motors. No exterior interior redesign announced. For comparison even though the Laguna Seca is a short track with relatively low top speed a 1:30.3 lap time is still an amazing performance that s [right among the cream of the top ICE supercars](https: fastestlaps.com tracks laguna-seca-post-1988). Personally speaking I m very interested in the aero suspension and tire setup they used and hopefully the car remains a good daily driver. I m looking forward to them revisiting Nurburgring next year. I am calling them either getting close to or break the 7 minutes barrier for the Nurburgring time. **Edit**: I guess the unfortunate read from this news is that we won t be seeing the new Roadster until 2022 at least : **Edit 2**: It better has a *plaid* interior option similar to the [911 50th anniversary edition](https: cdn.elferspot.com wp-content uploads 2019 09 2014-Porsche-911-50th-Anniversary-Coupe-34-CPR-Classic-Pepita.jpg). | Tesla came back and beat Lucid last Sunday lol. It s such a great competition. | KARMA WHORE!!! | 490 | 9 | 7,526 |
ixyh4i | 1,406 | Tesla announces new Plaid Model S. $140k starting price. < 2.0s 0-60mph 200mph top speed. < 9s 1 4mi. Laguna Seca 1:30.3. Coming late 2021. Additional info: 520mi range. 1100hp. 3 motors. No exterior interior redesign announced. For comparison even though the Laguna Seca is a short track with relatively low top speed a 1:30.3 lap time is still an amazing performance that s [right among the cream of the top ICE supercars](https: fastestlaps.com tracks laguna-seca-post-1988). Personally speaking I m very interested in the aero suspension and tire setup they used and hopefully the car remains a good daily driver. I m looking forward to them revisiting Nurburgring next year. I am calling them either getting close to or break the 7 minutes barrier for the Nurburgring time. **Edit**: I guess the unfortunate read from this news is that we won t be seeing the new Roadster until 2022 at least : **Edit 2**: It better has a *plaid* interior option similar to the [911 50th anniversary edition](https: cdn.elferspot.com wp-content uploads 2019 09 2014-Porsche-911-50th-Anniversary-Coupe-34-CPR-Classic-Pepita.jpg). | Tesla came back and beat Lucid last Sunday lol. It s such a great competition. | Is this going to be on road runner cell? I d think so given the timing. Paging u bigteslaguy ) | 490 | 18 | 7,527 |
ixyh4i | 1,406 | Tesla announces new Plaid Model S. $140k starting price. < 2.0s 0-60mph 200mph top speed. < 9s 1 4mi. Laguna Seca 1:30.3. Coming late 2021. Additional info: 520mi range. 1100hp. 3 motors. No exterior interior redesign announced. For comparison even though the Laguna Seca is a short track with relatively low top speed a 1:30.3 lap time is still an amazing performance that s [right among the cream of the top ICE supercars](https: fastestlaps.com tracks laguna-seca-post-1988). Personally speaking I m very interested in the aero suspension and tire setup they used and hopefully the car remains a good daily driver. I m looking forward to them revisiting Nurburgring next year. I am calling them either getting close to or break the 7 minutes barrier for the Nurburgring time. **Edit**: I guess the unfortunate read from this news is that we won t be seeing the new Roadster until 2022 at least : **Edit 2**: It better has a *plaid* interior option similar to the [911 50th anniversary edition](https: cdn.elferspot.com wp-content uploads 2019 09 2014-Porsche-911-50th-Anniversary-Coupe-34-CPR-Classic-Pepita.jpg). | This is sensational. When people think fast they think Bugatti Lamborghini Ferrari whatever. Not quaint family sedan that can take the kids to practice and send your spleen to the trunk at the same time. | KARMA WHORE!!! | 219 | 9 | 7,528 |
iyctji | 330 | Tesla Account web sign-in issue Tried logging into my Tesla Account but keep getting redirected to the uhoh screen. Tried multiple networks and browsers with same result. Looks like my requests to tesla.com teslaaccount are getting the 302 to uhoh. Noticed it maybe a half hour ago. Just me? Thanks! | Don t be me and delete the app thinking there s something wrong with it. And get stranded outside my car. Don t be me. | I m getting it too here in the UK. What s annoying is that I ve been having an issue connecting to my car from both the app and TeslaFi intermittently for a week and a half - so now I have no idea if my original issue is related to this or not. Just have to hope it works properly again when the system comes back up. | 233 | 2 | 7,529 |
iyctji | 330 | Tesla Account web sign-in issue Tried logging into my Tesla Account but keep getting redirected to the uhoh screen. Tried multiple networks and browsers with same result. Looks like my requests to tesla.com teslaaccount are getting the 302 to uhoh. Noticed it maybe a half hour ago. Just me? Thanks! | Don t be me and delete the app thinking there s something wrong with it. And get stranded outside my car. Don t be me. | Same here. Been trying to login for the past hour keep getting redirected to the uhoh page. | 233 | 3 | 7,530 |
iyctji | 330 | Tesla Account web sign-in issue Tried logging into my Tesla Account but keep getting redirected to the uhoh screen. Tried multiple networks and browsers with same result. Looks like my requests to tesla.com teslaaccount are getting the 302 to uhoh. Noticed it maybe a half hour ago. Just me? Thanks! | Don t be me and delete the app thinking there s something wrong with it. And get stranded outside my car. Don t be me. | Ditto | 233 | 4 | 7,531 |
iyzv48 | 137 | People missed Drew s comment on V2G - “in the future all versions of our vehicles will have bidirectional energy flows for energy market participation” During the battery day presentation there was a major statement that I think went unnoticed. I think people got so caught up in Elon knocking V2G the they missed Drew basically saying it s coming to a Tesla near you. Just maybe not a high priority for Musk. If you can take advantage of energy arbitration while your car sits in the garage that would be amazing. And a win for the utilities. | Can you link to this? When was this said? EDIT: I found it. [https: youtu.be l6T9xIeZTds?t=10878](https: youtu.be l6T9xIeZTds?t=10878) So yeah I think they re saying for buying selling energy to the grid \\*when the grid is up\\* then V2G will be a thing but Elon doesn t think the consumer will care much about this which is interesting. When the grid is down you do need more hardware as Elon said so you don t backfeed the grid. But people then need to choose between driving or powering the house. Not sure I totally agree with his sentiments but it s interesting. | Shhhh! Yep while Elon was busy trying to not Osbourne the current fleet (with V2G and talk of million-mile batteries) Drew let the obvious cat out of the bag. | 35 | 6 | 7,532 |
iz1oav | 75 | Amazon s new Ring Car Connect will allow you to view Sentry Mode footage from your phone Details are a bit scarce but it looks like Amazon s Ring Car Connect will integrate with Sentry Mode to make clips available for review on a mobile device. It also has LTE so clips will be available even when you re away from home. [Source](https: www.theverge.com 2020 9 24 21453632 ring-car-alarm-security-camera-connect-tesla-price-specs-features-amazon) | Cant say giving Ring access to my car is something I will do. | Posted this in the other thread but: > Ring says it s working with many automotive makers to build support for the system but the first partnership it s announcing is with Tesla. Owners of the Model 3 X S and Y that have Sentry Mode enabled will be able to install a device in their cars that allows them to connect to the car s existing cameras and view footage. You can already do this (functionally similar not via the Ring app). You d need a device (say Raspberry Pi) to mount as a USB drive that also hosts a server via an LTE connection and leave Sentry mode on 24 7. I hope that the Ring integration is less flaky janky than that but who knows. I assume they (Ring) would charge you monthly for the LTE. | 69 | 3 | 7,533 |
iz1oav | 75 | Amazon s new Ring Car Connect will allow you to view Sentry Mode footage from your phone Details are a bit scarce but it looks like Amazon s Ring Car Connect will integrate with Sentry Mode to make clips available for review on a mobile device. It also has LTE so clips will be available even when you re away from home. [Source](https: www.theverge.com 2020 9 24 21453632 ring-car-alarm-security-camera-connect-tesla-price-specs-features-amazon) | Cant say giving Ring access to my car is something I will do. | Didn t see that coming. I guess Nest isn t going to follow suit... bloody Google - where good ideas go to die. | 69 | 20 | 7,534 |
iz9bd6 | 44 | Battery Day: Implications for Supercharging Did anyone feel like Tesla left out a lot of details about the new cells implications on Supercharging? They showed one slide but it had no Y-axis and is somewhat hard to interpret. Tabless should give some amazing benefits here and I would think it would be something to highlight. We heard nothing about the max charge rate charging curve and also the longevity of the battery. Does everyone feel like this was intentional and related to the Osborne effect? | I think you nailed it. They wanted to answer Lucid back and show the world they re still the top dog without killing all sells in the meantime. I think a couple of things are going to happen in the next 18 months. I think we ll see a refresh of the S and X we will see the plaid S released early well see the new batteries start to be added to cars. They said 3 years but I think they re sandbaging for the above mentioned reason. | This was the one slide: https: www.dropbox.com s y9uti5yn8m3y1c1 tesla_battery_day.jpg?dl=0 | 33 | 7 | 7,535 |
izoblf | 49 | 56% less than what though $150 kWh or $110 kWh or what? If the price of the batteries is currently $150 kWh then reducing it 56% in 3 years is good but nothing unexpected. If the current price is $110 kWh then this is going to upend more than transportation markets in just a few years. Imagine a cordless saw with the kind of battery power for that low of a price. So which is it? Price parity with ICE in three years or market changing prices? | If you see the battery price history graph in their presentation you can make out current price of around 110 dollars per KWh if each grid line is 20 dollars. Additionally in anode prices the lowest current price was 6.6 dollars. Tesla claimed to achieve 1.2 dollars meaning a 5.4 dollars saving. They also said this saving is equivalent to 5% saving on pack level. So a 5.4 dollar saving is 5% of pack cost per KWh. So the per KWh cost comes out to be 108 dollars per KWh. There may be more hints that I didn t notice but from these 2 hints I ll assume current Tesla battery cost in 105-115 dollars per KWh at the pack level. | If Tesla can increase range by 54% with the new cell they will likely use a smaller pack to keep the range relatively close to what it currently is. Elon has said in the past that there is really no reason to go above 400 miles of range. And with the smaller pack and less weight it is actually more efficient on a miles kwh basis to use a smaller pack. A smaller pack also means less cost and more vehicles. A 50x1.54 = 77 so a 50 kwh pack with the new cells and body architecture should have similar or more range than the current 75 kwh model 3 or Y | 48 | 6 | 7,536 |
izoblf | 49 | 56% less than what though $150 kWh or $110 kWh or what? If the price of the batteries is currently $150 kWh then reducing it 56% in 3 years is good but nothing unexpected. If the current price is $110 kWh then this is going to upend more than transportation markets in just a few years. Imagine a cordless saw with the kind of battery power for that low of a price. So which is it? Price parity with ICE in three years or market changing prices? | If you see the battery price history graph in their presentation you can make out current price of around 110 dollars per KWh if each grid line is 20 dollars. Additionally in anode prices the lowest current price was 6.6 dollars. Tesla claimed to achieve 1.2 dollars meaning a 5.4 dollars saving. They also said this saving is equivalent to 5% saving on pack level. So a 5.4 dollar saving is 5% of pack cost per KWh. So the per KWh cost comes out to be 108 dollars per KWh. There may be more hints that I didn t notice but from these 2 hints I ll assume current Tesla battery cost in 105-115 dollars per KWh at the pack level. | I believe it s $100-$110 kWh for current 3 y. You can work back from some of the dollar costs that were shown in the presentation. Some rough percentages of battery costs for the car that were produced and Munro s guess of $108 kWh. So end result is significantly cheaper than an ICE power train. Presumably Tesla will take big margins but still: - Game over for ICE! Also game over for any generation over about 6c KWh. Which is all coal most gas nuclear etc. | 48 | 12 | 7,537 |
izpezh | 32 | Model 3: how miles driven before replacing your tires? Just had my SR+ tires rotated after the first 7500 miles (a little late) and was informed most of my thread was already 50-60% gone. I really don t accelerate crazily or anything. This was at discount tire which is really reputable so I don t think they were trying to scam they rotated and tested for leaks in all 4 tires for free. I was told about the Michelin replacement cost prorations but they don t have set warranties anymore and said they wouldn t be able to assist until I was down to 20-30%. After how many miles did you have to replace tires? [View Poll](https: www.reddit.com poll izpezh) | Hey you should add “haven t replaced yet” or something so I don t have to click a random vote to see the answers. | also if you haven t gotten an alignment since purchasing make sure to do so when you get new tires. our second set lasting way better than the first (replaced at 19k) and also wearing evenly now - just rotated at 23k miles on this set as they were wearing evenly anyway - expect another year 10-15k miles out of these at least. Second set are G Force Comp 2 - wear good and performance great - but i think too noisy - will try something else next time - have read good things about Crossclimate | 71 | 3 | 7,538 |
izpezh | 32 | Model 3: how miles driven before replacing your tires? Just had my SR+ tires rotated after the first 7500 miles (a little late) and was informed most of my thread was already 50-60% gone. I really don t accelerate crazily or anything. This was at discount tire which is really reputable so I don t think they were trying to scam they rotated and tested for leaks in all 4 tires for free. I was told about the Michelin replacement cost prorations but they don t have set warranties anymore and said they wouldn t be able to assist until I was down to 20-30%. After how many miles did you have to replace tires? [View Poll](https: www.reddit.com poll izpezh) | Hey you should add “haven t replaced yet” or something so I don t have to click a random vote to see the answers. | at least 35 i think | 71 | 5 | 7,539 |
j00o9v | 153 | Tesla when will you create a CCS Combo 1 charger adapter? I live in South Korea where CCS Combo 1 has been designated as the official fast-charge standard for all (public) fast-charging stations since 2017. Yet Tesla has no plans to create a CCS Combo 1 to Tesla adapter. While there are some CHAdeMO stations these are planned to be phased out eventually and new stations don t have them. This is a big problem since Tesla s charging network is minuscule over here (only 32 supercharging stations in the whole country) while the number of Tesla cars has almost tripled in the first half of 2020 alone. You might be saying That s no biggie just stop being cheap and get a home charging unit but unfortunately that s not a solution for me and the vast majority of Koreans because OVER 60% of Koreans live in apartments or condos with shared parking space(not assigned) so you can t just install a charging station because you want to. And no one wants has the time to drive to a slow-charging station to charge for 5+ hours. And even though I actually happen to be one of the more fortunate ones because I live in a very new apartment complex with several EV charging stations I still have to compete with other EV drivers for the slow-speed chargers. So if I get home late all spots are taken and means no charging for me that night. All this could be avoided if Tesla would just make a CCS Combo 1 adapter so I can use the public fast-charging stations! Theoretically I could get a CCS Combo 1 to CCS Combo 2 adapter then a CCS Combo 2 to European Tesla adapter then finally a European Tesla adapter to US Tesla adapter but that s a stupid solution to a very simple problem. There s absolutely no reason Tesla can t make a CCS Combo 1 to US Tesla adapter. | I am honestly baffled why nobody brought this up during the investor call. CHAdeMO is on its way out here in the United States leaving CCS as the de-facto standard for all automakers EXCEPT Tesla. Even Japanese automakers like Nissan have moved on to CCS here in the US. Thus a CCS combo adapter would be way more useful than the super expensive CHAdeMO adapter that s currently available. It honestly makes me wonder if Tesla is planning on eventually retro-fitting existing cars with CCS combo (for a fee) like they do in Europe. | > I live in South Korea where CCS Combo 1 has been designated as the official fast-charge standard for all (public) fast-charging stations since 2017. Doesn t it only go up to 80kW or something? | 69 | 2 | 7,540 |
j00o9v | 153 | Tesla when will you create a CCS Combo 1 charger adapter? I live in South Korea where CCS Combo 1 has been designated as the official fast-charge standard for all (public) fast-charging stations since 2017. Yet Tesla has no plans to create a CCS Combo 1 to Tesla adapter. While there are some CHAdeMO stations these are planned to be phased out eventually and new stations don t have them. This is a big problem since Tesla s charging network is minuscule over here (only 32 supercharging stations in the whole country) while the number of Tesla cars has almost tripled in the first half of 2020 alone. You might be saying That s no biggie just stop being cheap and get a home charging unit but unfortunately that s not a solution for me and the vast majority of Koreans because OVER 60% of Koreans live in apartments or condos with shared parking space(not assigned) so you can t just install a charging station because you want to. And no one wants has the time to drive to a slow-charging station to charge for 5+ hours. And even though I actually happen to be one of the more fortunate ones because I live in a very new apartment complex with several EV charging stations I still have to compete with other EV drivers for the slow-speed chargers. So if I get home late all spots are taken and means no charging for me that night. All this could be avoided if Tesla would just make a CCS Combo 1 adapter so I can use the public fast-charging stations! Theoretically I could get a CCS Combo 1 to CCS Combo 2 adapter then a CCS Combo 2 to European Tesla adapter then finally a European Tesla adapter to US Tesla adapter but that s a stupid solution to a very simple problem. There s absolutely no reason Tesla can t make a CCS Combo 1 to US Tesla adapter. | I am honestly baffled why nobody brought this up during the investor call. CHAdeMO is on its way out here in the United States leaving CCS as the de-facto standard for all automakers EXCEPT Tesla. Even Japanese automakers like Nissan have moved on to CCS here in the US. Thus a CCS combo adapter would be way more useful than the super expensive CHAdeMO adapter that s currently available. It honestly makes me wonder if Tesla is planning on eventually retro-fitting existing cars with CCS combo (for a fee) like they do in Europe. | I wish they had this adapter too.. | 69 | 12 | 7,541 |
j00o9v | 153 | Tesla when will you create a CCS Combo 1 charger adapter? I live in South Korea where CCS Combo 1 has been designated as the official fast-charge standard for all (public) fast-charging stations since 2017. Yet Tesla has no plans to create a CCS Combo 1 to Tesla adapter. While there are some CHAdeMO stations these are planned to be phased out eventually and new stations don t have them. This is a big problem since Tesla s charging network is minuscule over here (only 32 supercharging stations in the whole country) while the number of Tesla cars has almost tripled in the first half of 2020 alone. You might be saying That s no biggie just stop being cheap and get a home charging unit but unfortunately that s not a solution for me and the vast majority of Koreans because OVER 60% of Koreans live in apartments or condos with shared parking space(not assigned) so you can t just install a charging station because you want to. And no one wants has the time to drive to a slow-charging station to charge for 5+ hours. And even though I actually happen to be one of the more fortunate ones because I live in a very new apartment complex with several EV charging stations I still have to compete with other EV drivers for the slow-speed chargers. So if I get home late all spots are taken and means no charging for me that night. All this could be avoided if Tesla would just make a CCS Combo 1 adapter so I can use the public fast-charging stations! Theoretically I could get a CCS Combo 1 to CCS Combo 2 adapter then a CCS Combo 2 to European Tesla adapter then finally a European Tesla adapter to US Tesla adapter but that s a stupid solution to a very simple problem. There s absolutely no reason Tesla can t make a CCS Combo 1 to US Tesla adapter. | I am honestly baffled why nobody brought this up during the investor call. CHAdeMO is on its way out here in the United States leaving CCS as the de-facto standard for all automakers EXCEPT Tesla. Even Japanese automakers like Nissan have moved on to CCS here in the US. Thus a CCS combo adapter would be way more useful than the super expensive CHAdeMO adapter that s currently available. It honestly makes me wonder if Tesla is planning on eventually retro-fitting existing cars with CCS combo (for a fee) like they do in Europe. | Call into a podcast like [Ride The Lightning](https: teslapodcast.libsyn.com) (often no call necessary just send a recording of your voice). Might be a good way to get your voice heard and even if Tesla doesn t do anything maybe someone else will or at least have a better suggestion. | 69 | 28 | 7,542 |
j1397h | 75 | Purchased EAP... not impressed. I have had my MSM LR MY since June. Bought the EAP upgrade today and drove ~ 1.5 hours away to Asheville NC for date night & back. Here are my thoughts: * First navigate on autopilot doesn t work on highways only interstates it seems * That being said I m not sure what NoA does for regular driving. You can still hit the turn signal and change lanes on local highways * I had to turn off auto lane change after it cut off the 4th car. It doesn t seem to realize someone is coming up fast in the left lane before merging. You ll get shot for much less around here * Now when you turn off auto lane change you need to signal to take the exit. Missed an exit once from that * It does NOT do well in tight hairpin exits. Beeped and cancelled itself on two then I gave up I m gonna take it out again tomorrow evening and test but I think I ll be taking advantage of the 48 hour return period. I don t see the value in it as it stands today. Edit: clarification Edit 2: I forgot to state one of the other things that bugged me is it s difficult to figure out how to move over to let someone merge into the on-ramp. I usually hit disable signal move over. When I hit the signal (even with nobody around me) it starts to move over then gets scared and moved back after that person has started to merge in. TOTAL dick move imho. Returned tonight while sitting in the local pizza joint waiting on dinner. Suddenly my car turns off and reboots. I m dead in the water for 5 minutes while it restarts. So... do this at home! | 48 hour return window. | Auto pilot works just fine for me. Zero chance I m spending 4-8k | 117 | 57 | 7,543 |
j1397h | 75 | Purchased EAP... not impressed. I have had my MSM LR MY since June. Bought the EAP upgrade today and drove ~ 1.5 hours away to Asheville NC for date night & back. Here are my thoughts: * First navigate on autopilot doesn t work on highways only interstates it seems * That being said I m not sure what NoA does for regular driving. You can still hit the turn signal and change lanes on local highways * I had to turn off auto lane change after it cut off the 4th car. It doesn t seem to realize someone is coming up fast in the left lane before merging. You ll get shot for much less around here * Now when you turn off auto lane change you need to signal to take the exit. Missed an exit once from that * It does NOT do well in tight hairpin exits. Beeped and cancelled itself on two then I gave up I m gonna take it out again tomorrow evening and test but I think I ll be taking advantage of the 48 hour return period. I don t see the value in it as it stands today. Edit: clarification Edit 2: I forgot to state one of the other things that bugged me is it s difficult to figure out how to move over to let someone merge into the on-ramp. I usually hit disable signal move over. When I hit the signal (even with nobody around me) it starts to move over then gets scared and moved back after that person has started to merge in. TOTAL dick move imho. Returned tonight while sitting in the local pizza joint waiting on dinner. Suddenly my car turns off and reboots. I m dead in the water for 5 minutes while it restarts. So... do this at home! | Yeah.... I like instructing the car to change lanes via turn signal but the rest is pretty worthless at this point. All fingers crossed that the next release referenced on battery day will fix things. I ve convinced myself that they ve put 99%of their resources into the rewrite and that why navigating on autopilot hasn t improved much at this point. | Thanks for your review. I was thinking yes to start but will probably pass | 47 | 3 | 7,544 |
j1397h | 75 | Purchased EAP... not impressed. I have had my MSM LR MY since June. Bought the EAP upgrade today and drove ~ 1.5 hours away to Asheville NC for date night & back. Here are my thoughts: * First navigate on autopilot doesn t work on highways only interstates it seems * That being said I m not sure what NoA does for regular driving. You can still hit the turn signal and change lanes on local highways * I had to turn off auto lane change after it cut off the 4th car. It doesn t seem to realize someone is coming up fast in the left lane before merging. You ll get shot for much less around here * Now when you turn off auto lane change you need to signal to take the exit. Missed an exit once from that * It does NOT do well in tight hairpin exits. Beeped and cancelled itself on two then I gave up I m gonna take it out again tomorrow evening and test but I think I ll be taking advantage of the 48 hour return period. I don t see the value in it as it stands today. Edit: clarification Edit 2: I forgot to state one of the other things that bugged me is it s difficult to figure out how to move over to let someone merge into the on-ramp. I usually hit disable signal move over. When I hit the signal (even with nobody around me) it starts to move over then gets scared and moved back after that person has started to merge in. TOTAL dick move imho. Returned tonight while sitting in the local pizza joint waiting on dinner. Suddenly my car turns off and reboots. I m dead in the water for 5 minutes while it restarts. So... do this at home! | Yeah.... I like instructing the car to change lanes via turn signal but the rest is pretty worthless at this point. All fingers crossed that the next release referenced on battery day will fix things. I ve convinced myself that they ve put 99%of their resources into the rewrite and that why navigating on autopilot hasn t improved much at this point. | I m confused by folks who are buying EAP (who have AP) for $4k. I don t see how it s worth that price. I m hoping the subscription for EAP is more reasonable. I would only use it on road trips. Perhaps they could setup a subscription on a per-use or per-mile basis. | 47 | 6 | 7,545 |
j1hh7b | 26 | Missing modern features in all Teslas After seeing Tesla competitors here in the EU there are 4 features that people are really missing: - Android Auto & Apple CarPlay integration - (AR) HUD - Matrix headlights - 360° Car View What do u guys think about that? Will Tesla ever implement these features? | Rear cross traffic alerts. You d be surprised how helpful this is. Let alone necessary for a vehicle that can park and unpark it self | You don t need any of these if you get fsd 😀 Tbh I don t need Android auto. 360 degree parking yes but I ve heard the issue is a patent. Digital headlight matrix is great but not essential. On the HUD I completely disagree the best thing driving at night is having no light between your and the road. When I switch to my Mercedes I tend to look to the center to look at the speed. You get used to the center display | 68 | 2 | 7,546 |
j1hh7b | 26 | Missing modern features in all Teslas After seeing Tesla competitors here in the EU there are 4 features that people are really missing: - Android Auto & Apple CarPlay integration - (AR) HUD - Matrix headlights - 360° Car View What do u guys think about that? Will Tesla ever implement these features? | Rear cross traffic alerts. You d be surprised how helpful this is. Let alone necessary for a vehicle that can park and unpark it self | A HUD would be so useful. On a long drive it s very easy to lose track of which driving mode you re in and start drifting because you think Autosteer is on while you re only in TACC. Actual pilots have autopilot info right in front of them all the time we should too. It would also greatly increase confidence in AP if you knew at all times that it was seeing lanes and objects vehicles correctly. | 68 | 3 | 7,547 |
j1hh7b | 26 | Missing modern features in all Teslas After seeing Tesla competitors here in the EU there are 4 features that people are really missing: - Android Auto & Apple CarPlay integration - (AR) HUD - Matrix headlights - 360° Car View What do u guys think about that? Will Tesla ever implement these features? | Rear cross traffic alerts. You d be surprised how helpful this is. Let alone necessary for a vehicle that can park and unpark it self | Android Auto would be amazing if only for the voice recognition. Tesla s voice recognition is too bad to even use it. Why in a car scenario would it always think I said Cool mum and then say it doesn t understand. I had Android Auto on my previous car for 3 years and it s voice recognition is brilliant. | 68 | 8 | 7,548 |
j1o6vp | 376 | First brake job @ 82k miles I completed my first brake job on my 2014 P85+ at 82k miles. I changed out front and rear rotors and pads. The rear set didn t need it quite yet but I did it anyway. Bought all the parts required at TireRack for $650 and paid a local mechanic $350 in labor to change it all out. Tesla quoted me $1800. Put 1000 miles on the new brakes...no squeaks or dust. | Maybe it s just me but 82k seems low even for an early rwd Tesla with less regen. Rust? | Good info point. I m at 43k on my Dec. 2014 built P85+. Given the low quantities of brake dust and overall regen braking pads should last a while. | 150 | 5 | 7,549 |
j1o6vp | 376 | First brake job @ 82k miles I completed my first brake job on my 2014 P85+ at 82k miles. I changed out front and rear rotors and pads. The rear set didn t need it quite yet but I did it anyway. Bought all the parts required at TireRack for $650 and paid a local mechanic $350 in labor to change it all out. Tesla quoted me $1800. Put 1000 miles on the new brakes...no squeaks or dust. | Maybe it s just me but 82k seems low even for an early rwd Tesla with less regen. Rust? | Interesting thanks. 82K seems like a very low mileage for a pad change. Was it because of rust or wear? If wear do you run regen on Standard? How often when driving do you physically touch the brake pedal? | 150 | 80 | 7,550 |
j1o6vp | 376 | First brake job @ 82k miles I completed my first brake job on my 2014 P85+ at 82k miles. I changed out front and rear rotors and pads. The rear set didn t need it quite yet but I did it anyway. Bought all the parts required at TireRack for $650 and paid a local mechanic $350 in labor to change it all out. Tesla quoted me $1800. Put 1000 miles on the new brakes...no squeaks or dust. | Ouch. Next time consider Rockauto. I ve bought all my consumable parts through them with zero issues. You could have got rotors and pads for $250-300. Watch a couple videos on YouTube and DIY save the labor fee. Brakes are easy and require minimal tools. | Good info point. I m at 43k on my Dec. 2014 built P85+. Given the low quantities of brake dust and overall regen braking pads should last a while. | 56 | 5 | 7,551 |
j291pk | 151 | Tesla Model 3 DM Performance w MPP Suspension Upgrades Chasing Down the Lap Time of a Pro in a Taycan Turbo S at NCM Motorsports Park I haven t posted here before but thought I d share my video from a recent time trial event. The Taycan Turbo S has run a 2:15.3 here in the hands of professional driver Andy Pilgrim with Pro Racers Take on Youtube and I wanted to see how close I could get with my Model 3 DM Performance on 200tw tires and suspension upgrades from [https: www.mountainpassperformance.com ](https: www.mountainpassperformance.com ) pads from [http: www.g-locbrakes.com ](http: www.g-locbrakes.com ) (with stock calipers rotors) and wheels brake fluid from Sam at [http: www.stranoparts.com ](http: www.stranoparts.com ) . I ended up with a 2:15.8 (14 212 for the event) which given that my car is somewhere around \\~$70k (car + mods) vs. the Taycan Turbo S at $200k I m fairly happy with. Check it out here! [https: youtu.be p\\_4Oj7lIj2s](https: youtu.be p_4Oj7lIj2s) & #x200B EDIT: Unfortunately some of my comments are currently hidden due to not enough comment karma but here are a few answers to some of the common questions: This event was SCCA time trial nationals - a multiple session event over 3 days. As a TT event all you need is one fast lap in a segment. There were about 30-35 cars on track depending on run group (I was in the fastest run group of 7 based on car and driver experience and thankfully we were only around 30 - the fewer the better as it helps get a clean lap). Cars are arranged by lap time so fast cars are at the front and slower cars are at the back of the run group order and then you space out on the outlap which really helps with getting clean laps. Passing is allowed but generally you want to avoid it to maximize speed. I ve gone to a number of tracks of various lengths and locations - AMP Road America NOLA etc - charging strategy really depends on the track. Almost every track has 240 RV hookups which charge at 10-15% depending on actual voltage. NOLA and AMP have destination chargers which give a little bit better charge rates and RA and this track (NCM) are only 15-20min away from superchargers. Typically I ll try to just charge at the track - this works if there is enough time between sessions and you limit the laps you do (since this is a TT event I want to have optimal charge for the next session - not trying to just avoid being empty ). On this track 1-2 laps is all you can get at \\~full power then by lap 3 you are probably getting various heat warnings that are pulling some power occasionally as things get too hot and cool down (motor battery etc) but it really depends on the track driver and temperature - cooler temps on a track with lower top speeds really makes a difference vs. Road America which is a bunch of drag strips connected to 90° corners (car starts pulling power a bit there even on the first lap - it s not bad but you notice it). On 200tw tires the first lap is generally always the fast lap as the tires start to get too hot as well not just the car. Comparing to an ICE my buddy in a 20 Civic Type R was hitting 270°F on the oil temps after the first lap and the car was also pulling power - same with another friend in a 2020 Supra so heat is often a problem on track. | You could easily pick up another second with your car and that track. In the third straight going into the bend you broke way to early and your actually slowing down a bit too much by using all the monkey bumps at the start of the clip. Get some yellow electrical tape and put a ring on the top of your steering wheel it will help you correct turn in and exits. Not sure why it works but it works very well. The car looks pretty planted but I heard a bit of push in the sweepers (front tire squeal) but not sure if I even heard the back break. You could check your camber and get a bit more aggressive or back off some pressure. I d bet money you d take that Porsche by 1 sec if you had another go with some of the above. Really nice work. It makes me super impatient for my Unplugged Performance Model 3 track weapon. | Omg my dream! Nice driving dude! | 52 | 5 | 7,552 |
j291pk | 151 | Tesla Model 3 DM Performance w MPP Suspension Upgrades Chasing Down the Lap Time of a Pro in a Taycan Turbo S at NCM Motorsports Park I haven t posted here before but thought I d share my video from a recent time trial event. The Taycan Turbo S has run a 2:15.3 here in the hands of professional driver Andy Pilgrim with Pro Racers Take on Youtube and I wanted to see how close I could get with my Model 3 DM Performance on 200tw tires and suspension upgrades from [https: www.mountainpassperformance.com ](https: www.mountainpassperformance.com ) pads from [http: www.g-locbrakes.com ](http: www.g-locbrakes.com ) (with stock calipers rotors) and wheels brake fluid from Sam at [http: www.stranoparts.com ](http: www.stranoparts.com ) . I ended up with a 2:15.8 (14 212 for the event) which given that my car is somewhere around \\~$70k (car + mods) vs. the Taycan Turbo S at $200k I m fairly happy with. Check it out here! [https: youtu.be p\\_4Oj7lIj2s](https: youtu.be p_4Oj7lIj2s) & #x200B EDIT: Unfortunately some of my comments are currently hidden due to not enough comment karma but here are a few answers to some of the common questions: This event was SCCA time trial nationals - a multiple session event over 3 days. As a TT event all you need is one fast lap in a segment. There were about 30-35 cars on track depending on run group (I was in the fastest run group of 7 based on car and driver experience and thankfully we were only around 30 - the fewer the better as it helps get a clean lap). Cars are arranged by lap time so fast cars are at the front and slower cars are at the back of the run group order and then you space out on the outlap which really helps with getting clean laps. Passing is allowed but generally you want to avoid it to maximize speed. I ve gone to a number of tracks of various lengths and locations - AMP Road America NOLA etc - charging strategy really depends on the track. Almost every track has 240 RV hookups which charge at 10-15% depending on actual voltage. NOLA and AMP have destination chargers which give a little bit better charge rates and RA and this track (NCM) are only 15-20min away from superchargers. Typically I ll try to just charge at the track - this works if there is enough time between sessions and you limit the laps you do (since this is a TT event I want to have optimal charge for the next session - not trying to just avoid being empty ). On this track 1-2 laps is all you can get at \\~full power then by lap 3 you are probably getting various heat warnings that are pulling some power occasionally as things get too hot and cool down (motor battery etc) but it really depends on the track driver and temperature - cooler temps on a track with lower top speeds really makes a difference vs. Road America which is a bunch of drag strips connected to 90° corners (car starts pulling power a bit there even on the first lap - it s not bad but you notice it). On 200tw tires the first lap is generally always the fast lap as the tires start to get too hot as well not just the car. Comparing to an ICE my buddy in a 20 Civic Type R was hitting 270°F on the oil temps after the first lap and the car was also pulling power - same with another friend in a 2020 Supra so heat is often a problem on track. | You could easily pick up another second with your car and that track. In the third straight going into the bend you broke way to early and your actually slowing down a bit too much by using all the monkey bumps at the start of the clip. Get some yellow electrical tape and put a ring on the top of your steering wheel it will help you correct turn in and exits. Not sure why it works but it works very well. The car looks pretty planted but I heard a bit of push in the sweepers (front tire squeal) but not sure if I even heard the back break. You could check your camber and get a bit more aggressive or back off some pressure. I d bet money you d take that Porsche by 1 sec if you had another go with some of the above. Really nice work. It makes me super impatient for my Unplugged Performance Model 3 track weapon. | Well that there is darn impressive driving. | 52 | 9 | 7,553 |
j291pk | 151 | Tesla Model 3 DM Performance w MPP Suspension Upgrades Chasing Down the Lap Time of a Pro in a Taycan Turbo S at NCM Motorsports Park I haven t posted here before but thought I d share my video from a recent time trial event. The Taycan Turbo S has run a 2:15.3 here in the hands of professional driver Andy Pilgrim with Pro Racers Take on Youtube and I wanted to see how close I could get with my Model 3 DM Performance on 200tw tires and suspension upgrades from [https: www.mountainpassperformance.com ](https: www.mountainpassperformance.com ) pads from [http: www.g-locbrakes.com ](http: www.g-locbrakes.com ) (with stock calipers rotors) and wheels brake fluid from Sam at [http: www.stranoparts.com ](http: www.stranoparts.com ) . I ended up with a 2:15.8 (14 212 for the event) which given that my car is somewhere around \\~$70k (car + mods) vs. the Taycan Turbo S at $200k I m fairly happy with. Check it out here! [https: youtu.be p\\_4Oj7lIj2s](https: youtu.be p_4Oj7lIj2s) & #x200B EDIT: Unfortunately some of my comments are currently hidden due to not enough comment karma but here are a few answers to some of the common questions: This event was SCCA time trial nationals - a multiple session event over 3 days. As a TT event all you need is one fast lap in a segment. There were about 30-35 cars on track depending on run group (I was in the fastest run group of 7 based on car and driver experience and thankfully we were only around 30 - the fewer the better as it helps get a clean lap). Cars are arranged by lap time so fast cars are at the front and slower cars are at the back of the run group order and then you space out on the outlap which really helps with getting clean laps. Passing is allowed but generally you want to avoid it to maximize speed. I ve gone to a number of tracks of various lengths and locations - AMP Road America NOLA etc - charging strategy really depends on the track. Almost every track has 240 RV hookups which charge at 10-15% depending on actual voltage. NOLA and AMP have destination chargers which give a little bit better charge rates and RA and this track (NCM) are only 15-20min away from superchargers. Typically I ll try to just charge at the track - this works if there is enough time between sessions and you limit the laps you do (since this is a TT event I want to have optimal charge for the next session - not trying to just avoid being empty ). On this track 1-2 laps is all you can get at \\~full power then by lap 3 you are probably getting various heat warnings that are pulling some power occasionally as things get too hot and cool down (motor battery etc) but it really depends on the track driver and temperature - cooler temps on a track with lower top speeds really makes a difference vs. Road America which is a bunch of drag strips connected to 90° corners (car starts pulling power a bit there even on the first lap - it s not bad but you notice it). On 200tw tires the first lap is generally always the fast lap as the tires start to get too hot as well not just the car. Comparing to an ICE my buddy in a 20 Civic Type R was hitting 270°F on the oil temps after the first lap and the car was also pulling power - same with another friend in a 2020 Supra so heat is often a problem on track. | You could easily pick up another second with your car and that track. In the third straight going into the bend you broke way to early and your actually slowing down a bit too much by using all the monkey bumps at the start of the clip. Get some yellow electrical tape and put a ring on the top of your steering wheel it will help you correct turn in and exits. Not sure why it works but it works very well. The car looks pretty planted but I heard a bit of push in the sweepers (front tire squeal) but not sure if I even heard the back break. You could check your camber and get a bit more aggressive or back off some pressure. I d bet money you d take that Porsche by 1 sec if you had another go with some of the above. Really nice work. It makes me super impatient for my Unplugged Performance Model 3 track weapon. | Super impressive I can see you beating that time | 52 | 17 | 7,554 |
j2m1h4 | 83 | Returning my model 3 So I picked up a standard range plus on Saturday and having driven it the last few days I m actually thinking about returning it. I m in no way a devoted tesla fan and I definitely don t worship teslas or elon. I just want a car to get me from point a-b as easily as possible which is why I purchased the model 3. I haven t had any bad things happen like some people here. Pick up was easy and driving has been fine. No problems with QC on my build and the car is great but it s in no way life changing and a dream car like a lot of people say. I have driven a 2014 honda civic since I bought it brand new so that is what I have to compare the model 3 to. Maybe my list of things I don t like are things I ll have to get used to but I m not so sure I want to. The best part of the model 3 is the speed. Holy hell compared to my civic this thing might as well be a race car. It has no problem going up steep grades with plenty of power for any situation. AP is pretty good and I haven t had very much phantom braking but even when driving straight my car moves right and left to keep the center of the lane and I can feel it everytime. It doesn t jerk the wheel obviously but it s enough movement to make it feel noticable. It s like the car is always correcting and can never just drive in a straight line. The braking on AP is decent as well but a lot of time it brakes way too late and too hard. Sure it gets the job done but all too often it brakes pretty hard. I can see all the cars in front of me braking and even setting the car length to 4 the car just stops too late. Seats are pretty uncomfortable. Driving any length of time over 15 mins and man the seats are just not comfortable for me. I ve been trying different driving positions and can t seem to find a good one. The absolute worst thing though is how damn hot the seats are. My driver seat yesterday felt like the seat heater was on the entire drive home. I was miserable for the entire drive. I read later that you are supposed to cool the car a few minutes after getting in on a hot day because the seat retains so much heat but not even that helps. I drove to work today with both windows down in 61° temperature and the back of the seat was still too warm. Charging at home is great and I don t have to go to a gas station but that never really bothered me. I charge every night as rates are cheaper and in the morning the car is ready to go. Having to wait for the car to charge is kind of bothersome if I want to drive somewhere other than work and back. 90% of my driving is commuting for work but just this past weekend I wanted to head to the beach but had to wait a couple hours for my car to charge after getting home. Yes I could have taken it to a supercharger but that kind of negates the fact I don t have to go to a gas station. I ended up charging for two hours and didn t have enough battery to get home so I stopped at a supercharger on the way home Supercharging was a breeze. I didn t wait in line and it s nice that the charging is linked to your account so you just pull up and put the charging cable in. Here s the thing though if I need to fill up I have to sit and wait. How is this better than just getting fuel. If there was a line I would have spent at least an hour at the supercharger. Luckily there was no line and it took about 15 min to charge enough to get home. I don t see that much of a difference in fueling my civic or charging my m3 in terms of money savings. My civic gets about 35mpg constantly. If I want to watch my mpg and drive slow and easy I can get 36-37 but most of the time it s 35mpg. Fuel is $3 a gallon at the moment so it cost me about $30 give or take to fill the tank. I drive 80 miles per day to work and the civic last almost the entire week on one tank. I have to charge the m3 every single day. I might save save a few bucks a month in charging cost but that s in the best driving conditions for the m3. No a c cruise set to 65 slow lane driving. The sound in the m3 is on par with my civic. It just isn t very good. All music just doesn t sound that great. I ve tried all settings and the speakers are just not good. I ve heard the premium sound is much better but I can t confirm that. I could spend a lot more time picking apart small things on the m3 I don t like but it s not to say other people care about the problems at all. The m3 is a great car with a lot of small problems dislikes that can be overlooked but with an out the door price of $42 000 it s just not worth the money. My civic was $25 000 out the door and it shows. Maybe my expectations are too high but I would imagine for almost double the price I would love everything about the m3 but sadly I don t. I have a few more days before I have to return it so I m still on the fence we will see what happens. Thanks for reading hope this helps other people making decisions. Just know I m not bashing tesla or the model 3 at all it just doesn t seem worth the price tag for me. Edit: First thanks for everyone s comments about what they drive and what they think. I really appreciate everyone s non biased opinions. 2nd for those people out there I m not saying the honda civic is a better car that s just plain stupid I m saying I don t find enough value in the m3 to justify almost 2x the cost. Maybe with a few more updates who knows. Lastly to those that gave me awards thank you. This should be a place people can give their opinons concerns and not be hated by the fan boys of the world. This sub should be a place of learning. It helps to hear the good and not so good about the cars. Not just praise praise praise like the fan boys typically do. | I live in Michigan and when I purchased my 3 I had to drive down to Ohio to pick it up. The drive home was miserable for my back. I think it was a combination of not finding the right seat position and being tense about driving a car worth 10x what my old one was worth. Finally I found the right position of the seat and my back no longer gets sore on long trips. | To each their own but here are a few things to consider. AP ping-ponging - This gets better worse depending on the software update. Mine is very good now and the only thing I really notice is when driving near trucks it purposefully moves away and does it very abruptly sometimes. I d like to be able to turn it off. Charging vs gas- It certainly takes longer to charge than get gas but ideally you ll be charging at home 99% of the time so you only have to wait for a charge when on road trips. | 55 | 27 | 7,555 |
j2xrzn | 301 | Model Y: 5k miles in and here s what I think so far. Took delivery of a black on black performance package at the end of June. I was lucky enough to have received a vehicle within a week of placing the order (my hypothesis is since I was in the Bay Area they bumped me to the top of the list to meet Q2 numbers). Issues from the factory: & #x200B * Scratch marks on the hood. Corners looked like someone took a brillo pad to it. Tesla service managed to buff it out. * Paint chips on the panel where the trunk meets the roof. Looks like an object got lodged and the trunk was opened chipping the paint (but no dent). Tesla used touch up paint until it s barely noticeable. * Rubber trim lining the trunk was bent out of shape. Tesla managed to steam press it out. * Carbon fiber spoiler was coming off. Tesla replaced with a new one. * Bottom trunk lid had the sticker torn off. Tesla replaced with a new one. * Car started to track to the right after a few hundred miles. Brought it in at 2k and they performed an alignment at no cost. Steering wheel still seems to be a smidge off (to the right) but car seems to track straight. * Dual Motor badge was crooked. I didn t notice till last week. Tesla Mobile Service came out to repair but some of the paint came off with the badge. Have scheduled to bring the car in where they ll have a outside party touch up the paint before reapplying the badge (slated for next week). * Turn signals - probably the bane of my existence. Turn signals won t activate 1 10 times. Have had this looked at twice the first time Tesla replaced a part. The second the mobile tech said he “reseated some loose wires”. Still not reliable. What I added: & #x200B * Tint. Needed this pretty badly to help the AC system. I only got my sides and rears tinted but I would do the windshield and roof if I found a professional who could do it right. * Screen protector in matte. Helped with the glare would recommend. * Vinyl cover on center all the piano black in the cabin (console and doors). Overall: & #x200B * Paint job is pretty bad. A few rock chips already and if I look at it too hard I ll scratch the clear coat. Bought the touch-up paint so will apply that soon. * Rims look great I banged up 3 of them already driving in a very tight parking garage. Really wish Tesla had the 360 camera view here. I don t get how they expect parking to work well without that (I ve seen videos of self parking scratching rims and straight up hitting pillars). Good news is rim repair is just $100 each. * One pedal driving is amazing. Impressed at how the brakes are blended into going from a roll to a stop really intuitive. * Acceleration is amazing. The ability to zip by a semi or a truck on the freeway puts a smile on my face everytime. * Handling is ok obviously not a sedan but acceptable. I do miss how my 3 series feels doing 80 and going into a slight left or right on the freeway. Not a big deal though. * Having driver information on the center screen isn t great. It s barely acceptable for me. If I want to confirm I can make a lane change I want to check mirrors and go. I tried to incorporate checking the display for added safety but it s just too cumbersome. I really wish Tesla included lane change indicators on the rear view mirrors. * No auto-dimming rearview mirrors but I find myself not missing them at all. * Sentry mode is awesome. * Phantom braking is not awesome. Happens maybe 1 10 times (maybe less) but I m fairly certain that one day it ll get me rear ended. Pretty dumbfounded how this hasn t been fixed yet. * Turning radius makes it feel like a big car I think it s a foot bigger than the Model 3 which shouldn t be that bad. Not a big deal though. * Usable range is probably somewhere in the low 200s for me. I charge up to 80% and will run it to about 20%. I would recommend 24 7 access to a charger at your residence if this is your primary vehicle to any of my friends who don t know much about electric vehicle range (how it can fluctuate with weather road conditions and driving habits). I don t think anyone on these boards needs to be told since you are here reading up on everything you can =) and have already heard this * Electricity savings over gas is probably at an average half the cost for me. This is based on roughly how much I would pay for 200 miles on electricity vs gas compared to my previous car (E90). It s not bad there are clear savings but it might not be amazing depending on your previous ICE vehicle. * I think I heard Elon refer to the Model 3 and Y as ‘entry level luxury vehicles and yeah it is pretty entry level. Quality of materials is barely acceptable for the price missing a lot of neat options and features other cars in the same category have available. I can see it in the seating stitching etc. Heck the floor mats should be telling enough they are pretty flimsy and cheap-ish. Not premium. I knew this going in and decided it was worth it not to have an engine and deal with all the hassles of THAT. No regrets but I know what I m missing out on. * Overall if I got the chance to do it again I wouldn t change a thing. Sometimes I ll see a Macan or GLE AMG go by and drool a bit and wonder ‘what if… But the Macan is overdue for a interior refresh and rumors are Porsche is going full electric for that model in a couple of years anyways and the GLE AMG price tag put it in a whole other league plus the MPG is crazy bad. | We have a Model 3 and a Model Y. Model Y s higher center of gravity def handles like an SUV. A very good one but still. If you miss sporty steering Model 3 would be more satisfying at least when you aren t hauling people or stuff. | If you change the conclusion Real-Tesla will accept your post s | 100 | 15 | 7,556 |
j2xrzn | 301 | Model Y: 5k miles in and here s what I think so far. Took delivery of a black on black performance package at the end of June. I was lucky enough to have received a vehicle within a week of placing the order (my hypothesis is since I was in the Bay Area they bumped me to the top of the list to meet Q2 numbers). Issues from the factory: & #x200B * Scratch marks on the hood. Corners looked like someone took a brillo pad to it. Tesla service managed to buff it out. * Paint chips on the panel where the trunk meets the roof. Looks like an object got lodged and the trunk was opened chipping the paint (but no dent). Tesla used touch up paint until it s barely noticeable. * Rubber trim lining the trunk was bent out of shape. Tesla managed to steam press it out. * Carbon fiber spoiler was coming off. Tesla replaced with a new one. * Bottom trunk lid had the sticker torn off. Tesla replaced with a new one. * Car started to track to the right after a few hundred miles. Brought it in at 2k and they performed an alignment at no cost. Steering wheel still seems to be a smidge off (to the right) but car seems to track straight. * Dual Motor badge was crooked. I didn t notice till last week. Tesla Mobile Service came out to repair but some of the paint came off with the badge. Have scheduled to bring the car in where they ll have a outside party touch up the paint before reapplying the badge (slated for next week). * Turn signals - probably the bane of my existence. Turn signals won t activate 1 10 times. Have had this looked at twice the first time Tesla replaced a part. The second the mobile tech said he “reseated some loose wires”. Still not reliable. What I added: & #x200B * Tint. Needed this pretty badly to help the AC system. I only got my sides and rears tinted but I would do the windshield and roof if I found a professional who could do it right. * Screen protector in matte. Helped with the glare would recommend. * Vinyl cover on center all the piano black in the cabin (console and doors). Overall: & #x200B * Paint job is pretty bad. A few rock chips already and if I look at it too hard I ll scratch the clear coat. Bought the touch-up paint so will apply that soon. * Rims look great I banged up 3 of them already driving in a very tight parking garage. Really wish Tesla had the 360 camera view here. I don t get how they expect parking to work well without that (I ve seen videos of self parking scratching rims and straight up hitting pillars). Good news is rim repair is just $100 each. * One pedal driving is amazing. Impressed at how the brakes are blended into going from a roll to a stop really intuitive. * Acceleration is amazing. The ability to zip by a semi or a truck on the freeway puts a smile on my face everytime. * Handling is ok obviously not a sedan but acceptable. I do miss how my 3 series feels doing 80 and going into a slight left or right on the freeway. Not a big deal though. * Having driver information on the center screen isn t great. It s barely acceptable for me. If I want to confirm I can make a lane change I want to check mirrors and go. I tried to incorporate checking the display for added safety but it s just too cumbersome. I really wish Tesla included lane change indicators on the rear view mirrors. * No auto-dimming rearview mirrors but I find myself not missing them at all. * Sentry mode is awesome. * Phantom braking is not awesome. Happens maybe 1 10 times (maybe less) but I m fairly certain that one day it ll get me rear ended. Pretty dumbfounded how this hasn t been fixed yet. * Turning radius makes it feel like a big car I think it s a foot bigger than the Model 3 which shouldn t be that bad. Not a big deal though. * Usable range is probably somewhere in the low 200s for me. I charge up to 80% and will run it to about 20%. I would recommend 24 7 access to a charger at your residence if this is your primary vehicle to any of my friends who don t know much about electric vehicle range (how it can fluctuate with weather road conditions and driving habits). I don t think anyone on these boards needs to be told since you are here reading up on everything you can =) and have already heard this * Electricity savings over gas is probably at an average half the cost for me. This is based on roughly how much I would pay for 200 miles on electricity vs gas compared to my previous car (E90). It s not bad there are clear savings but it might not be amazing depending on your previous ICE vehicle. * I think I heard Elon refer to the Model 3 and Y as ‘entry level luxury vehicles and yeah it is pretty entry level. Quality of materials is barely acceptable for the price missing a lot of neat options and features other cars in the same category have available. I can see it in the seating stitching etc. Heck the floor mats should be telling enough they are pretty flimsy and cheap-ish. Not premium. I knew this going in and decided it was worth it not to have an engine and deal with all the hassles of THAT. No regrets but I know what I m missing out on. * Overall if I got the chance to do it again I wouldn t change a thing. Sometimes I ll see a Macan or GLE AMG go by and drool a bit and wonder ‘what if… But the Macan is overdue for a interior refresh and rumors are Porsche is going full electric for that model in a couple of years anyways and the GLE AMG price tag put it in a whole other league plus the MPG is crazy bad. | We have a Model 3 and a Model Y. Model Y s higher center of gravity def handles like an SUV. A very good one but still. If you miss sporty steering Model 3 would be more satisfying at least when you aren t hauling people or stuff. | Thanks for sharing... | 100 | 17 | 7,557 |
j2xrzn | 301 | Model Y: 5k miles in and here s what I think so far. Took delivery of a black on black performance package at the end of June. I was lucky enough to have received a vehicle within a week of placing the order (my hypothesis is since I was in the Bay Area they bumped me to the top of the list to meet Q2 numbers). Issues from the factory: & #x200B * Scratch marks on the hood. Corners looked like someone took a brillo pad to it. Tesla service managed to buff it out. * Paint chips on the panel where the trunk meets the roof. Looks like an object got lodged and the trunk was opened chipping the paint (but no dent). Tesla used touch up paint until it s barely noticeable. * Rubber trim lining the trunk was bent out of shape. Tesla managed to steam press it out. * Carbon fiber spoiler was coming off. Tesla replaced with a new one. * Bottom trunk lid had the sticker torn off. Tesla replaced with a new one. * Car started to track to the right after a few hundred miles. Brought it in at 2k and they performed an alignment at no cost. Steering wheel still seems to be a smidge off (to the right) but car seems to track straight. * Dual Motor badge was crooked. I didn t notice till last week. Tesla Mobile Service came out to repair but some of the paint came off with the badge. Have scheduled to bring the car in where they ll have a outside party touch up the paint before reapplying the badge (slated for next week). * Turn signals - probably the bane of my existence. Turn signals won t activate 1 10 times. Have had this looked at twice the first time Tesla replaced a part. The second the mobile tech said he “reseated some loose wires”. Still not reliable. What I added: & #x200B * Tint. Needed this pretty badly to help the AC system. I only got my sides and rears tinted but I would do the windshield and roof if I found a professional who could do it right. * Screen protector in matte. Helped with the glare would recommend. * Vinyl cover on center all the piano black in the cabin (console and doors). Overall: & #x200B * Paint job is pretty bad. A few rock chips already and if I look at it too hard I ll scratch the clear coat. Bought the touch-up paint so will apply that soon. * Rims look great I banged up 3 of them already driving in a very tight parking garage. Really wish Tesla had the 360 camera view here. I don t get how they expect parking to work well without that (I ve seen videos of self parking scratching rims and straight up hitting pillars). Good news is rim repair is just $100 each. * One pedal driving is amazing. Impressed at how the brakes are blended into going from a roll to a stop really intuitive. * Acceleration is amazing. The ability to zip by a semi or a truck on the freeway puts a smile on my face everytime. * Handling is ok obviously not a sedan but acceptable. I do miss how my 3 series feels doing 80 and going into a slight left or right on the freeway. Not a big deal though. * Having driver information on the center screen isn t great. It s barely acceptable for me. If I want to confirm I can make a lane change I want to check mirrors and go. I tried to incorporate checking the display for added safety but it s just too cumbersome. I really wish Tesla included lane change indicators on the rear view mirrors. * No auto-dimming rearview mirrors but I find myself not missing them at all. * Sentry mode is awesome. * Phantom braking is not awesome. Happens maybe 1 10 times (maybe less) but I m fairly certain that one day it ll get me rear ended. Pretty dumbfounded how this hasn t been fixed yet. * Turning radius makes it feel like a big car I think it s a foot bigger than the Model 3 which shouldn t be that bad. Not a big deal though. * Usable range is probably somewhere in the low 200s for me. I charge up to 80% and will run it to about 20%. I would recommend 24 7 access to a charger at your residence if this is your primary vehicle to any of my friends who don t know much about electric vehicle range (how it can fluctuate with weather road conditions and driving habits). I don t think anyone on these boards needs to be told since you are here reading up on everything you can =) and have already heard this * Electricity savings over gas is probably at an average half the cost for me. This is based on roughly how much I would pay for 200 miles on electricity vs gas compared to my previous car (E90). It s not bad there are clear savings but it might not be amazing depending on your previous ICE vehicle. * I think I heard Elon refer to the Model 3 and Y as ‘entry level luxury vehicles and yeah it is pretty entry level. Quality of materials is barely acceptable for the price missing a lot of neat options and features other cars in the same category have available. I can see it in the seating stitching etc. Heck the floor mats should be telling enough they are pretty flimsy and cheap-ish. Not premium. I knew this going in and decided it was worth it not to have an engine and deal with all the hassles of THAT. No regrets but I know what I m missing out on. * Overall if I got the chance to do it again I wouldn t change a thing. Sometimes I ll see a Macan or GLE AMG go by and drool a bit and wonder ‘what if… But the Macan is overdue for a interior refresh and rumors are Porsche is going full electric for that model in a couple of years anyways and the GLE AMG price tag put it in a whole other league plus the MPG is crazy bad. | We have a Model 3 and a Model Y. Model Y s higher center of gravity def handles like an SUV. A very good one but still. If you miss sporty steering Model 3 would be more satisfying at least when you aren t hauling people or stuff. | I just recently made a similar switch it sounds like! F30 335i to a LR Y. I have not had any of the same issues in terms of quality... one small rock chip on the bumper at delivery that they say they will address at my first service appointment but other than that pristine all around. I agree with every aspect of the driving the zippiness is exhilarating but it still misses some of the driving pleasure that I had with the 3 series. I guess that s all to be expected when going to an SUV. All around I love the interior fit and finish. Not missing the gimicky interior of the 3 series that I feel as if is dated pretty quickly and the always disappointing iDrive. Floor mats are of laughable quality though might have to upgrade those as soon as good aftermarket options are out. No regrets on my end by any means. Couldn t be happier! | 100 | 20 | 7,558 |
j3jkqy | 44 | October 5th Earlier this evening I was looking through the parts catalogue for the Model 3 to see if there was any hint of M3 s with a heat pump in the wild and found a section titled HVAC Post October 5th 2020 or something similar. I should have taken a screenshot but instead tried to see if there was more info but on trying to find the section again it appears to have disappeared. Either way this could suggest that from Monday M3 s manufactured after this time could be built with heat pumps... | I got chu. I took this screenshot yesterday at about 10am CT: [https: imgur.com aicDnUk](https: imgur.com aicDnUk) As of now the part has disappeared from the EPC. | Q3 just ended if any changes were going to come then it should be any time now. I hope this is true as my current M3P is gone next week and i ll be ordering another new one! | 34 | 2 | 7,559 |
j3jkqy | 44 | October 5th Earlier this evening I was looking through the parts catalogue for the Model 3 to see if there was any hint of M3 s with a heat pump in the wild and found a section titled HVAC Post October 5th 2020 or something similar. I should have taken a screenshot but instead tried to see if there was more info but on trying to find the section again it appears to have disappeared. Either way this could suggest that from Monday M3 s manufactured after this time could be built with heat pumps... | I got chu. I took this screenshot yesterday at about 10am CT: [https: imgur.com aicDnUk](https: imgur.com aicDnUk) As of now the part has disappeared from the EPC. | What do the models have already that s not a heat pump? | 34 | 5 | 7,560 |
j3jkqy | 44 | October 5th Earlier this evening I was looking through the parts catalogue for the Model 3 to see if there was any hint of M3 s with a heat pump in the wild and found a section titled HVAC Post October 5th 2020 or something similar. I should have taken a screenshot but instead tried to see if there was more info but on trying to find the section again it appears to have disappeared. Either way this could suggest that from Monday M3 s manufactured after this time could be built with heat pumps... | I got chu. I took this screenshot yesterday at about 10am CT: [https: imgur.com aicDnUk](https: imgur.com aicDnUk) As of now the part has disappeared from the EPC. | iirc BigTeslaGuy said it will be around November a while back so the timeframe makes sense. | 34 | 6 | 7,561 |
j3o11v | 99 | 2020.40.0.1 No confirmation go on green https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates version 2020.40.0.1 release-notes As seen here so long as the car is moving and the intersection is not too crazy the car will go without confirmation. I haven t seen anyone talking about this. I tried to post this already but reddit kept thinking I was asking a question I think this could be the rewrite but also think it s likely that this is just the result of the data engine. I would love to discuss. | I don t think it is the rewrite as this should release to EAP first but this is cool no nag for green light in good designed intersections | Is this different from when it would go through an intersection without confirmation with a car in front of it? | 36 | 9 | 7,562 |
j4i5ke | 52 | Installing a 240v outlet in my condo s parking garage Looking for feedback on my plan to install a 240v 30amp circuit in my condo s parking garage before I place my model 3 order. Picture of the proposed layout : https: imgur.com ukUESD4 I will definitely be hiring a licensed electrician for this but I wanted to get some feedback on the plan. My HOA has agreed to let me install this outlet as long as it comes directly from my meter so they don t need to manage my usage. Our parking garage doesn t have designated spaces but there is a central column that gives access to plenty of spots located about 30 ft from the main meter bank. With my short commute and our plan to buy the Long range model 3 I should only need to charge overnight once or twice a week. I know tesla officially advises against extension cords but with a properly rated 20ft extension we could reach a lot of the spots. Worst case we have a dc fast charging station right across the street to use in a pinch. I m wondering how viable it is to install this circuit off of our main meter and breaker in the garage. Our unit is up on the 4th and it wouldn t be possible to wire a circuit down to the garage from there. I d love to get some opinions on this plan. | It s likely possible. Get quotes from a few electricians and go from there. HOA is 90% of the battle here. | Hire an electrician. This is not going to be an easy or cheap option from what I can see. | 41 | 5 | 7,563 |
j4i5ke | 52 | Installing a 240v outlet in my condo s parking garage Looking for feedback on my plan to install a 240v 30amp circuit in my condo s parking garage before I place my model 3 order. Picture of the proposed layout : https: imgur.com ukUESD4 I will definitely be hiring a licensed electrician for this but I wanted to get some feedback on the plan. My HOA has agreed to let me install this outlet as long as it comes directly from my meter so they don t need to manage my usage. Our parking garage doesn t have designated spaces but there is a central column that gives access to plenty of spots located about 30 ft from the main meter bank. With my short commute and our plan to buy the Long range model 3 I should only need to charge overnight once or twice a week. I know tesla officially advises against extension cords but with a properly rated 20ft extension we could reach a lot of the spots. Worst case we have a dc fast charging station right across the street to use in a pinch. I m wondering how viable it is to install this circuit off of our main meter and breaker in the garage. Our unit is up on the 4th and it wouldn t be possible to wire a circuit down to the garage from there. I d love to get some opinions on this plan. | It s likely possible. Get quotes from a few electricians and go from there. HOA is 90% of the battle here. | You are going to need to ask an electrician. Usually code wouldn t allow you to put something before your main breaker so you would likely need to install a new “main” breaker box down by the meter and make your current box a sub panel. This is super dependent on your local codes though so any answer you get here shouldn t be relied on. | 41 | 15 | 7,564 |
j4zi0n | 260 | Slowly but Surely Giga Nevada Adds More Solar Panels to Roof As seen in this [satellite comparison image](https: www.buildingtesla.com compare Gigafactory%201 ) Tesla has just added another row of solar panels to the northeast portion of Giga Nevada s roof and it appears they are working on a second new row as well. Giga Nevada first started adding solar panels to its roof in February 2018 and has continued to add to it a few rows at a time but it has been slooow going. Hopefully they will pick up the pace as production improves out of Giga New York (assuming that s where these panels are coming from). | As I understand it the Gigafactory has a pro rated cost kwh for electricity. Started off cheap and will slowly come up to what everyone else pays. As the electricity costs more and more solar power becomes profitable and is added. Just good business and pretty much the original plan. | Also interesting the factory assembling (presumably) the panels in Buffalo has none as of the latest Google imagery. [https: www.google.com maps place Tesla+Gigafactory+2 @42.8590523 -78.8421834 725m data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89d311ff0a07ef11:0x7809f7d0586fc160!8m2!3d42.8605373!4d-78.8413492](https: www.google.com maps place Tesla+Gigafactory+2 @42.8590523 -78.8421834 725m data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89d311ff0a07ef11:0x7809f7d0586fc160!8m2!3d42.8605373!4d-78.8413492) | 39 | 12 | 7,565 |
j595ns | 1,375 | So Tesla s quality control is really bad. Our brand new model y s entire roof just fell off My dad bought a brand new model Y today and he brought me along to pick it up just in case he needed help with any tech problems. Everything was going fine and we were driving back home when we started to hear a ton of wind. I thought maybe a window was open but a minute later the entire glass roof just blew off. After a brief panic we turned around and drove the new Tesla convertible back to the dealership. When we got back we called highway patrol to tell them that there was a car roof somewhere on the 580 but somebody might have gotten into an accident I m not sure. The manager at the dealership said that either the seal for the roof was faulty or the factory just ... forgot to seal the roof on? I can t imagine how something as big as the roof not being attached could make it past quality control. Has this ever happened before? Edit: The manager offered to get the car serviced for free but we declined and are probably going to get an entirely new car. Whether we re still getting a Tesla is up to my dad but probably not. Pics - https: imgur.com a nnJEJmo Also I know the photos are low quality. I basically never post anything so I didn t even think about getting proof until the last minute and I don t have anything better. You can believe what you want but there should be some news articles coming out soon that prove things more definitively. | Mods should just sticky this whole post on this sub. You want Tesla to fix this shit? Make everyone see the level of crap that can come out of the factory. Tesla won t do shit until people stop buying cars. And as long as people drown out issues like this nothing s gonna change. Fwiw I don t think the glass was even glued on judging by the pictures. They literally placed an entire panel on without noticing the glue was missing. What else do you think they missed in your car? | That s a feature not a bug! You must have clicked the Random Convertible option in the configurator. | 441 | 7 | 7,566 |
j595ns | 1,375 | So Tesla s quality control is really bad. Our brand new model y s entire roof just fell off My dad bought a brand new model Y today and he brought me along to pick it up just in case he needed help with any tech problems. Everything was going fine and we were driving back home when we started to hear a ton of wind. I thought maybe a window was open but a minute later the entire glass roof just blew off. After a brief panic we turned around and drove the new Tesla convertible back to the dealership. When we got back we called highway patrol to tell them that there was a car roof somewhere on the 580 but somebody might have gotten into an accident I m not sure. The manager at the dealership said that either the seal for the roof was faulty or the factory just ... forgot to seal the roof on? I can t imagine how something as big as the roof not being attached could make it past quality control. Has this ever happened before? Edit: The manager offered to get the car serviced for free but we declined and are probably going to get an entirely new car. Whether we re still getting a Tesla is up to my dad but probably not. Pics - https: imgur.com a nnJEJmo Also I know the photos are low quality. I basically never post anything so I didn t even think about getting proof until the last minute and I don t have anything better. You can believe what you want but there should be some news articles coming out soon that prove things more definitively. | Mods should just sticky this whole post on this sub. You want Tesla to fix this shit? Make everyone see the level of crap that can come out of the factory. Tesla won t do shit until people stop buying cars. And as long as people drown out issues like this nothing s gonna change. Fwiw I don t think the glass was even glued on judging by the pictures. They literally placed an entire panel on without noticing the glue was missing. What else do you think they missed in your car? | So what happens other than them giving you a new one or fixing it. Any other forms of compensation? | 441 | 7 | 7,567 |
j595ns | 1,375 | So Tesla s quality control is really bad. Our brand new model y s entire roof just fell off My dad bought a brand new model Y today and he brought me along to pick it up just in case he needed help with any tech problems. Everything was going fine and we were driving back home when we started to hear a ton of wind. I thought maybe a window was open but a minute later the entire glass roof just blew off. After a brief panic we turned around and drove the new Tesla convertible back to the dealership. When we got back we called highway patrol to tell them that there was a car roof somewhere on the 580 but somebody might have gotten into an accident I m not sure. The manager at the dealership said that either the seal for the roof was faulty or the factory just ... forgot to seal the roof on? I can t imagine how something as big as the roof not being attached could make it past quality control. Has this ever happened before? Edit: The manager offered to get the car serviced for free but we declined and are probably going to get an entirely new car. Whether we re still getting a Tesla is up to my dad but probably not. Pics - https: imgur.com a nnJEJmo Also I know the photos are low quality. I basically never post anything so I didn t even think about getting proof until the last minute and I don t have anything better. You can believe what you want but there should be some news articles coming out soon that prove things more definitively. | Mods should just sticky this whole post on this sub. You want Tesla to fix this shit? Make everyone see the level of crap that can come out of the factory. Tesla won t do shit until people stop buying cars. And as long as people drown out issues like this nothing s gonna change. Fwiw I don t think the glass was even glued on judging by the pictures. They literally placed an entire panel on without noticing the glue was missing. What else do you think they missed in your car? | Yikes. I d love to do a root cause on this type of issue! No matter what caused it hopefully Tesla has some glass for your dad s car soon and the problem is taken care of quickly. | 441 | 31 | 7,568 |
j64qkp | 187 | I kept track of every dollar I spent on my Tesla Model 3. Here s the breakdown after 2 years of ownership. Hey guys I bought my Tesla Model 3 two years ago in Toronto. Since then I ve kept track of every dollar I ve spent on it. Here s what I ve spent on the car after 50 000km of driving. I hope this can help anyone who might be on the fence or wondering about how much it costs to drive a Model 3. [I also made a video if that makes it easier to follow.](https: youtu.be DcMV0wqtitw) ## Cost of the Car I picked up my car on June 5th 2018. At that time there wasn t much flexibility when it came to options. I could only choose the long-range rear wheel drive option. Here s the breakdown of the cost. Base price of the car was $45 600.00 Long range battery upgrade was $11 900.00 Premium upgrade was $6 600.00 In terms of options I went with the Midnight Silver Metallic colour which cost me $1300 and I purchased Tesla s enhanced autopilot package for $6600 which included things like summon lane changes and lane keeping. After taxes the car cost me $83 169.35. Because I got my car before the provincial election in Ontario I was able to qualify for the EV rebate which at the time was $14000 in Ontario. I received that about 6 months after purchasing my car. That brought the total cost of the car down to $69 169.35. Insurance is kind of high where I live. I used to pay $192 month for the first couple years and a few months ago my premium went up to $265 month because of a speeding ticket and more claims in my area. Overall I ve spent $5 668.00 on insurance so far. ## Charging Costs Over the past two years I ve driven my car almost 50 000km. Most of the mileage comes from my daily commute to work but I also took quite a bit of road trips. Over the past two years I ve taken 3 trips to NYC from Toronto 1 to upstate New York 1 to Montreal and 1 trip to Saskatoon. In total I ve covered about 15000 kilometres on the supercharger network. Tesla bills by the minute and your rate per minute depends on the speed of charging. In total I spent $407.78 on supercharging across all my trips. Like most Tesla owners I charge my car at home. In Ontario we get a lower electricity rate during off peak hours so I ve set my car to only charge during off-peak hours. In total I ve spent approximately $593 on home charging. So the total cost of charging for driving almost 50 000 kilometres is about $1001.38. In comparison if I drove a BMW 3 series for the same distance I d spend approximately $6000 on gas. ## Repair and Maintenance In terms of repairs and maintenance there hasn t been much. I got unlucky during my first month of ownership and cracked my windshield twice while driving on the highway to work. The first time it was only a chip which I got fixed for $100 at Speedy Glass. The second time I got a big crack so I had to replace my windshield. That cost me a $500 insurance premium. Because I live in Canada and we get a decent amount of snow up here I decided to get winter tires. I opted for the Michelin X-Ice Xi3 Tires which cost me $1 178.77. I ve been going to KalTire for seasonal tire replacement which costs $137 each time as I didn t buy separate rims for the winter tires. In total I ve spent $551.44 on tires changes in 4 seasons. ## Mods and Accessories I hadn t made many changes to my Tesla Model 3. I had the car tinted when I got it for $250 dollars. This included the side windows and partial rear window. At the time most of the shops in my area couldn t do the full rear window and the ones who could were charging 3 times the price of partial. I got used to the partial window pretty fast. Apart from that I partially wrapped the front of the car with clear wrap. That cost $650. I should ve got the entire front wrapped so if I were to get a new car today I d wrap the entire front of the car. Because of the wet winters here I decided to get all season floor mats. I opted for the 3dMaxpider mats after doing a bit of research and the mats cost me $210.17. ## Total Cost So the total cost of the car after the provincial rebate comes to $79 279.11 after 2 years and 4 months of ownership and 50 000km of driving. | Fellow Ontarian I am so envious that you got in during the $14k days! I was just on the cusp of able to afford one and then they cut the program. Also your insurance is insane. I m with TD now and I pay about $110 a month as an accident free male driver in my late 20s. Even with the price of your car seems like you should shop around a bit... | What is your off-peak rate? | 45 | 4 | 7,569 |
j64qkp | 187 | I kept track of every dollar I spent on my Tesla Model 3. Here s the breakdown after 2 years of ownership. Hey guys I bought my Tesla Model 3 two years ago in Toronto. Since then I ve kept track of every dollar I ve spent on it. Here s what I ve spent on the car after 50 000km of driving. I hope this can help anyone who might be on the fence or wondering about how much it costs to drive a Model 3. [I also made a video if that makes it easier to follow.](https: youtu.be DcMV0wqtitw) ## Cost of the Car I picked up my car on June 5th 2018. At that time there wasn t much flexibility when it came to options. I could only choose the long-range rear wheel drive option. Here s the breakdown of the cost. Base price of the car was $45 600.00 Long range battery upgrade was $11 900.00 Premium upgrade was $6 600.00 In terms of options I went with the Midnight Silver Metallic colour which cost me $1300 and I purchased Tesla s enhanced autopilot package for $6600 which included things like summon lane changes and lane keeping. After taxes the car cost me $83 169.35. Because I got my car before the provincial election in Ontario I was able to qualify for the EV rebate which at the time was $14000 in Ontario. I received that about 6 months after purchasing my car. That brought the total cost of the car down to $69 169.35. Insurance is kind of high where I live. I used to pay $192 month for the first couple years and a few months ago my premium went up to $265 month because of a speeding ticket and more claims in my area. Overall I ve spent $5 668.00 on insurance so far. ## Charging Costs Over the past two years I ve driven my car almost 50 000km. Most of the mileage comes from my daily commute to work but I also took quite a bit of road trips. Over the past two years I ve taken 3 trips to NYC from Toronto 1 to upstate New York 1 to Montreal and 1 trip to Saskatoon. In total I ve covered about 15000 kilometres on the supercharger network. Tesla bills by the minute and your rate per minute depends on the speed of charging. In total I spent $407.78 on supercharging across all my trips. Like most Tesla owners I charge my car at home. In Ontario we get a lower electricity rate during off peak hours so I ve set my car to only charge during off-peak hours. In total I ve spent approximately $593 on home charging. So the total cost of charging for driving almost 50 000 kilometres is about $1001.38. In comparison if I drove a BMW 3 series for the same distance I d spend approximately $6000 on gas. ## Repair and Maintenance In terms of repairs and maintenance there hasn t been much. I got unlucky during my first month of ownership and cracked my windshield twice while driving on the highway to work. The first time it was only a chip which I got fixed for $100 at Speedy Glass. The second time I got a big crack so I had to replace my windshield. That cost me a $500 insurance premium. Because I live in Canada and we get a decent amount of snow up here I decided to get winter tires. I opted for the Michelin X-Ice Xi3 Tires which cost me $1 178.77. I ve been going to KalTire for seasonal tire replacement which costs $137 each time as I didn t buy separate rims for the winter tires. In total I ve spent $551.44 on tires changes in 4 seasons. ## Mods and Accessories I hadn t made many changes to my Tesla Model 3. I had the car tinted when I got it for $250 dollars. This included the side windows and partial rear window. At the time most of the shops in my area couldn t do the full rear window and the ones who could were charging 3 times the price of partial. I got used to the partial window pretty fast. Apart from that I partially wrapped the front of the car with clear wrap. That cost $650. I should ve got the entire front wrapped so if I were to get a new car today I d wrap the entire front of the car. Because of the wet winters here I decided to get all season floor mats. I opted for the 3dMaxpider mats after doing a bit of research and the mats cost me $210.17. ## Total Cost So the total cost of the car after the provincial rebate comes to $79 279.11 after 2 years and 4 months of ownership and 50 000km of driving. | Fellow Ontarian I am so envious that you got in during the $14k days! I was just on the cusp of able to afford one and then they cut the program. Also your insurance is insane. I m with TD now and I pay about $110 a month as an accident free male driver in my late 20s. Even with the price of your car seems like you should shop around a bit... | Awesome breakdown thank you! | 45 | 12 | 7,570 |
j64qkp | 187 | I kept track of every dollar I spent on my Tesla Model 3. Here s the breakdown after 2 years of ownership. Hey guys I bought my Tesla Model 3 two years ago in Toronto. Since then I ve kept track of every dollar I ve spent on it. Here s what I ve spent on the car after 50 000km of driving. I hope this can help anyone who might be on the fence or wondering about how much it costs to drive a Model 3. [I also made a video if that makes it easier to follow.](https: youtu.be DcMV0wqtitw) ## Cost of the Car I picked up my car on June 5th 2018. At that time there wasn t much flexibility when it came to options. I could only choose the long-range rear wheel drive option. Here s the breakdown of the cost. Base price of the car was $45 600.00 Long range battery upgrade was $11 900.00 Premium upgrade was $6 600.00 In terms of options I went with the Midnight Silver Metallic colour which cost me $1300 and I purchased Tesla s enhanced autopilot package for $6600 which included things like summon lane changes and lane keeping. After taxes the car cost me $83 169.35. Because I got my car before the provincial election in Ontario I was able to qualify for the EV rebate which at the time was $14000 in Ontario. I received that about 6 months after purchasing my car. That brought the total cost of the car down to $69 169.35. Insurance is kind of high where I live. I used to pay $192 month for the first couple years and a few months ago my premium went up to $265 month because of a speeding ticket and more claims in my area. Overall I ve spent $5 668.00 on insurance so far. ## Charging Costs Over the past two years I ve driven my car almost 50 000km. Most of the mileage comes from my daily commute to work but I also took quite a bit of road trips. Over the past two years I ve taken 3 trips to NYC from Toronto 1 to upstate New York 1 to Montreal and 1 trip to Saskatoon. In total I ve covered about 15000 kilometres on the supercharger network. Tesla bills by the minute and your rate per minute depends on the speed of charging. In total I spent $407.78 on supercharging across all my trips. Like most Tesla owners I charge my car at home. In Ontario we get a lower electricity rate during off peak hours so I ve set my car to only charge during off-peak hours. In total I ve spent approximately $593 on home charging. So the total cost of charging for driving almost 50 000 kilometres is about $1001.38. In comparison if I drove a BMW 3 series for the same distance I d spend approximately $6000 on gas. ## Repair and Maintenance In terms of repairs and maintenance there hasn t been much. I got unlucky during my first month of ownership and cracked my windshield twice while driving on the highway to work. The first time it was only a chip which I got fixed for $100 at Speedy Glass. The second time I got a big crack so I had to replace my windshield. That cost me a $500 insurance premium. Because I live in Canada and we get a decent amount of snow up here I decided to get winter tires. I opted for the Michelin X-Ice Xi3 Tires which cost me $1 178.77. I ve been going to KalTire for seasonal tire replacement which costs $137 each time as I didn t buy separate rims for the winter tires. In total I ve spent $551.44 on tires changes in 4 seasons. ## Mods and Accessories I hadn t made many changes to my Tesla Model 3. I had the car tinted when I got it for $250 dollars. This included the side windows and partial rear window. At the time most of the shops in my area couldn t do the full rear window and the ones who could were charging 3 times the price of partial. I got used to the partial window pretty fast. Apart from that I partially wrapped the front of the car with clear wrap. That cost $650. I should ve got the entire front wrapped so if I were to get a new car today I d wrap the entire front of the car. Because of the wet winters here I decided to get all season floor mats. I opted for the 3dMaxpider mats after doing a bit of research and the mats cost me $210.17. ## Total Cost So the total cost of the car after the provincial rebate comes to $79 279.11 after 2 years and 4 months of ownership and 50 000km of driving. | Fellow Ontarian I am so envious that you got in during the $14k days! I was just on the cusp of able to afford one and then they cut the program. Also your insurance is insane. I m with TD now and I pay about $110 a month as an accident free male driver in my late 20s. Even with the price of your car seems like you should shop around a bit... | Thank you! THis helps people like me who have decided to get one but planning the finances. | 45 | 16 | 7,571 |
j76lmd | 49 | 2021 Model Y VIN Number I ordered a Model Y on 10 3. * Model Y * Long Range All-Wheel Drive * Deep Blue Metallic Paint * 20 Induction Wheels * All Black Premium Interior * Five Seat Interior * Autopilot * Full Self-Driving Capability I just got my VIN number today it appears it is a 2021 model! 10th digit is a M not an L. VIN: 5YJYGDEE1**M**F060XXX | vehicle identification number number | Where did you order the car out of? | 37 | 5 | 7,572 |
j7glo7 | 191 | 2020.40.x Software Update Megathread **2020.40.3** + **2020.40.4** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes Highlights**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.40.3): - Speed Assist Improvements (See Release Notes) - Priority Bluetooth Device (S3XY) - Mobile App - Vent Windows (S) - Glovebox PIN (S3XY) - Charge Port Inlet Heater (3 Y) Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * [Teslascope](https: www.teslascope.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * [TeslaFi](https: www.teslafi.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | Got this last night. One of the biggest differences I ve noticed is that slowing for stop lights now feels way more human. Before it waited too long and then braked hard but now it just feels natural. | As a Canadian Model 3 owner with a 2018 Model 3 I would love to swap out my charge port inlet with the new part that includes the heater. I m not sure if that will be possible but it would help winterize my vehicle for the climate. I don t like the workaround for my hardware config that restricts the latch from engaging during cold temps as I m always concerned that someone will take my charge adapter. I am looking forward to receiving this update for the speed limit detection feature. | 133 | 24 | 7,573 |
j7glo7 | 191 | 2020.40.x Software Update Megathread **2020.40.3** + **2020.40.4** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes Highlights**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.40.3): - Speed Assist Improvements (See Release Notes) - Priority Bluetooth Device (S3XY) - Mobile App - Vent Windows (S) - Glovebox PIN (S3XY) - Charge Port Inlet Heater (3 Y) Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * [Teslascope](https: www.teslascope.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * [TeslaFi](https: www.teslafi.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | Got this last night. One of the biggest differences I ve noticed is that slowing for stop lights now feels way more human. Before it waited too long and then braked hard but now it just feels natural. | Finally vent windows for my seemingly outdated 2017 model S + I like the pin to access glovebox. I wonder why the vent windows in the mobile app took so long for the S... the X and the 3 Had that way sooner. | 133 | 28 | 7,574 |
j7glo7 | 191 | 2020.40.x Software Update Megathread **2020.40.3** + **2020.40.4** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes Highlights**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.40.3): - Speed Assist Improvements (See Release Notes) - Priority Bluetooth Device (S3XY) - Mobile App - Vent Windows (S) - Glovebox PIN (S3XY) - Charge Port Inlet Heater (3 Y) Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * [Teslascope](https: www.teslascope.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * [TeslaFi](https: www.teslafi.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | Got this last night. One of the biggest differences I ve noticed is that slowing for stop lights now feels way more human. Before it waited too long and then braked hard but now it just feels natural. | Hopefully this fixes screen brightness issue. Auto brightness won t automatically adjust. Toggling on off on the brightness setting temporally fixes it. | 133 | 30 | 7,575 |
j7j2lb | 27 | Use the cabin camera and machine learning to identify the driver Model 3 usually gets it wrong when it tries to guess which key holder is the driver when multiple key holders are in the car. This is a really good application for machine learning: when the driver selects a profile use that to label the images of the driver captured by the cabin camera (and maybe even the side cameras). Then use the labeled images to train a machine learning algorithm to determine who is in the driver seat. Then use that to set up the mirrors steering wheel seat music air conditioning etc. | Better one check if baby or dog were left in for more than 5 minutes turn on ac and notify app. | Yup. Question is how to get buy-in for enabling the selfie-cam from *all* users of that vehicle. | 32 | 4 | 7,576 |
j855xc | 93 | FSD Automatically turns into Closed I-95 Express lane Gates (Version 2020.36.3.1) Was driving with FSD activated on I-95 North last night and FSD kept trying to take the express lane on-ramp but the only problem is that the gates for the northbound express lane were closed... Traffic on the express lane was going south bound aka I would have hit the closed gates as well as any oncoming traffic. I had to take over the steering wheel to steer away from the gates. Seems like a pretty easy bug to fix but definitely on the more dangerous side of bugs. The software version was 2020.36.3.1. & #x200B EDIT: This occurred just north of Stafford VA. 38°27 27.0 N 77°24 30.2 W & #x200B & #x200B https: reddit.com link j855xc video o9i7ko37b4s51 player | Tesla might have an issue here. But given enough time and adoption this will become a state issue with proper standards in place to build roads that are more autonomous car friendly. Floating gates on an open road is a really stupid fucking idea. | It similarly tries to take closed border checkpoint exits on I-8 east of San Diego. I had to intervene to keep it from plowing through a row of cones and into the closed checkpoint a year ago (before cones were recognized so it s possible that this is now fixed). | 32 | 2 | 7,577 |
j855xc | 93 | FSD Automatically turns into Closed I-95 Express lane Gates (Version 2020.36.3.1) Was driving with FSD activated on I-95 North last night and FSD kept trying to take the express lane on-ramp but the only problem is that the gates for the northbound express lane were closed... Traffic on the express lane was going south bound aka I would have hit the closed gates as well as any oncoming traffic. I had to take over the steering wheel to steer away from the gates. Seems like a pretty easy bug to fix but definitely on the more dangerous side of bugs. The software version was 2020.36.3.1. & #x200B EDIT: This occurred just north of Stafford VA. 38°27 27.0 N 77°24 30.2 W & #x200B & #x200B https: reddit.com link j855xc video o9i7ko37b4s51 player | Tesla might have an issue here. But given enough time and adoption this will become a state issue with proper standards in place to build roads that are more autonomous car friendly. Floating gates on an open road is a really stupid fucking idea. | Turn off HOV setting. That s FSD not gonna take express lane | 32 | 3 | 7,578 |
j855xc | 93 | FSD Automatically turns into Closed I-95 Express lane Gates (Version 2020.36.3.1) Was driving with FSD activated on I-95 North last night and FSD kept trying to take the express lane on-ramp but the only problem is that the gates for the northbound express lane were closed... Traffic on the express lane was going south bound aka I would have hit the closed gates as well as any oncoming traffic. I had to take over the steering wheel to steer away from the gates. Seems like a pretty easy bug to fix but definitely on the more dangerous side of bugs. The software version was 2020.36.3.1. & #x200B EDIT: This occurred just north of Stafford VA. 38°27 27.0 N 77°24 30.2 W & #x200B & #x200B https: reddit.com link j855xc video o9i7ko37b4s51 player | Tesla might have an issue here. But given enough time and adoption this will become a state issue with proper standards in place to build roads that are more autonomous car friendly. Floating gates on an open road is a really stupid fucking idea. | Sounds like it doesn t realize the express lane changes based on time of the day. | 32 | 5 | 7,579 |
j88ffd | 201 | Feels like Tesla lacks several drivers assistance features other brands have had for years First of all I love my Model 3 and would never buy another ICE car after owning it. But every time I am driving in friends vehicles I am jealous of the inclusion of obvious safety features Tesla completely refuses to add. For such a technically advanced vehicle it shocks me that there is no option for the following features: \\- REAL blind spot assist. My favorite implementation of this is Mercedes Maserati with a bright red triangle in the mirror when a car is in your blind spot. Toyota and others with the orange icon are also solid. Tesla used to have an option for this to display on screen but it was silently removed because it was implemented so poorly. Nobody wants to look at a screen while lane changing put the indicator on the mirror where we re already looking. I know proper hardware for this (nor the mirror LED) don t exist so this can t really be added OTA. \\- Rear cross traffic alert. Warns when cars are driving perpendicular behind you when backing up. Again no rear radars so it couldn t easily be added OTA. \\- 360 camera(!). Teslas have so many cameras it feels like this would be a no brainer. I realize there are licensing requirements for this but come on. If Hundai can add it on their mid $20k vehicles Tesla has no excuse. Does anyone else feel annoyed by this? I know people have been driving for decades just fine without this safety tech but it s a shame that not even the most expensive Teslas have ANY of these features. It bums me out to see how much development time Tesla uses to add new games but doesn t address any of these basic drivers assistance features that have existed for well over a decade. | Don t need blind spot assist when the car is going to drive itself Real Soon^(TM). | I am really really going to miss the blind spot warner of my leaf once I make the jump to Tesla. | 93 | 3 | 7,580 |
j88ffd | 201 | Feels like Tesla lacks several drivers assistance features other brands have had for years First of all I love my Model 3 and would never buy another ICE car after owning it. But every time I am driving in friends vehicles I am jealous of the inclusion of obvious safety features Tesla completely refuses to add. For such a technically advanced vehicle it shocks me that there is no option for the following features: \\- REAL blind spot assist. My favorite implementation of this is Mercedes Maserati with a bright red triangle in the mirror when a car is in your blind spot. Toyota and others with the orange icon are also solid. Tesla used to have an option for this to display on screen but it was silently removed because it was implemented so poorly. Nobody wants to look at a screen while lane changing put the indicator on the mirror where we re already looking. I know proper hardware for this (nor the mirror LED) don t exist so this can t really be added OTA. \\- Rear cross traffic alert. Warns when cars are driving perpendicular behind you when backing up. Again no rear radars so it couldn t easily be added OTA. \\- 360 camera(!). Teslas have so many cameras it feels like this would be a no brainer. I realize there are licensing requirements for this but come on. If Hundai can add it on their mid $20k vehicles Tesla has no excuse. Does anyone else feel annoyed by this? I know people have been driving for decades just fine without this safety tech but it s a shame that not even the most expensive Teslas have ANY of these features. It bums me out to see how much development time Tesla uses to add new games but doesn t address any of these basic drivers assistance features that have existed for well over a decade. | I suspect patents are to blame for all 3 of those problems. The cars with those features likely come from the same ADAS supplier and those features are likely not old enough to have expired patents. Tesla s options: find a way to build something similar with a completely different implementation patent expires or develop patent mutually assured destruction that other ADAS providers have the sand problem with Tesla s patents blocking them from implementing fundamental new technologies and they re forced to sign a pact. Patent expiration is challenging because most companies have related patents that are fundamental to the technology that are spread over multiple years. Which effectively extends expiration many more years beyond initial fundamental patent expiration. Given the rate that they have added new software features I tend to give them a pass on features like these that seem like something they would obviously want to implement but they haven t. When it seems likely there are patents involved. I have no question that Tesla will implement every safety feature they can for free to every car they can as a fundamental good as soon as they can. Not to say people should stop asking or poking but I do give them benefit of the doubt in this area. | I am really really going to miss the blind spot warner of my leaf once I make the jump to Tesla. | 89 | 3 | 7,581 |
j88ffd | 201 | Feels like Tesla lacks several drivers assistance features other brands have had for years First of all I love my Model 3 and would never buy another ICE car after owning it. But every time I am driving in friends vehicles I am jealous of the inclusion of obvious safety features Tesla completely refuses to add. For such a technically advanced vehicle it shocks me that there is no option for the following features: \\- REAL blind spot assist. My favorite implementation of this is Mercedes Maserati with a bright red triangle in the mirror when a car is in your blind spot. Toyota and others with the orange icon are also solid. Tesla used to have an option for this to display on screen but it was silently removed because it was implemented so poorly. Nobody wants to look at a screen while lane changing put the indicator on the mirror where we re already looking. I know proper hardware for this (nor the mirror LED) don t exist so this can t really be added OTA. \\- Rear cross traffic alert. Warns when cars are driving perpendicular behind you when backing up. Again no rear radars so it couldn t easily be added OTA. \\- 360 camera(!). Teslas have so many cameras it feels like this would be a no brainer. I realize there are licensing requirements for this but come on. If Hundai can add it on their mid $20k vehicles Tesla has no excuse. Does anyone else feel annoyed by this? I know people have been driving for decades just fine without this safety tech but it s a shame that not even the most expensive Teslas have ANY of these features. It bums me out to see how much development time Tesla uses to add new games but doesn t address any of these basic drivers assistance features that have existed for well over a decade. | Don t need blind spot assist when the car is going to drive itself Real Soon^(TM). | The 360 camera is supposed to be coming to an update near you! | 93 | 32 | 7,582 |
j8vg4n | 109 | Tesla has been quietly adding FSD and Acceleration Boost to their used inventory This is just a theory but recently bought a used model 3 so Ive been browsing the used inventory a lot and for different zip codes. I noticed that about 99% of model 3 s have FSD and I m pretty sure the opt in rate isn t this high. It s true that FSD was pretty cheap as an upgrade from EAP but even then the number of cars that have it seems too high. Even more of an indication is the number of cars that have Accelaration Boost since I m guessing the number of people who opted for that should be even lower than FSD. But here again almost all cars that can have it - long range non-performance cars - have it. Anyway just wanted to bounce this off the community. What do you guys think? [https: www.tesla.com inventory used m3](https: www.tesla.com inventory used m3) | Seems like a smart move... adding FSD costs Tesla absolutely nothing. | Long shot... but I assume they re trying to bump the average price of used cars up to sell more “base” new ones without FSD. I assume they see greater profit margins on the new cars. | 83 | 56 | 7,583 |
jawmmx | 318 | UPDATE: Admins if this isn t allowed I am incredibly sorry. The Tesla owner called me to let me know that I had gotten lucky So [last week](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments j7ulnb accidentally_bumped_someones_tesla_tonight_what ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf) my clumsy skills went into overdrive and I bumped into a Tesla. The owner said his Tesla was 5 days old (YIKES) and he had actually scheduled a time already to get his bumper replaced due to damage done previously to this pic. He said that luckily he had taken pictures and submitted them to the Tesla shop. The mechanics let him know that the bumper needed to be replaced (without the damage caused by me) and we would not need to move forward with filing a claim. Hopefully my wording makes sense! He said that he was glad this turned out the way it did because he didn t want to file a claim on his brand new car anyways. He was a super nice guy and thanked me for being honest! Thank you all for the awards thanks to those who researched to see how much the damage might be and for all of the kind comments. Take care and have a great night! Edit: I cannot update the title for some reason. I have received permission to post this. | Karma is real! | Thanks for the update! I guess that really is some good karma there! | 70 | 21 | 7,584 |
jawmmx | 318 | UPDATE: Admins if this isn t allowed I am incredibly sorry. The Tesla owner called me to let me know that I had gotten lucky So [last week](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments j7ulnb accidentally_bumped_someones_tesla_tonight_what ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf) my clumsy skills went into overdrive and I bumped into a Tesla. The owner said his Tesla was 5 days old (YIKES) and he had actually scheduled a time already to get his bumper replaced due to damage done previously to this pic. He said that luckily he had taken pictures and submitted them to the Tesla shop. The mechanics let him know that the bumper needed to be replaced (without the damage caused by me) and we would not need to move forward with filing a claim. Hopefully my wording makes sense! He said that he was glad this turned out the way it did because he didn t want to file a claim on his brand new car anyways. He was a super nice guy and thanked me for being honest! Thank you all for the awards thanks to those who researched to see how much the damage might be and for all of the kind comments. Take care and have a great night! Edit: I cannot update the title for some reason. I have received permission to post this. | So there was a defect with the bumper before you hit it and they were already going to replace it under warranty? That s wonderful! (For you anyway.) Again kudos for your honesty. | Really happy to hear the good news!! | 54 | 14 | 7,585 |
jawmmx | 318 | UPDATE: Admins if this isn t allowed I am incredibly sorry. The Tesla owner called me to let me know that I had gotten lucky So [last week](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments j7ulnb accidentally_bumped_someones_tesla_tonight_what ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf) my clumsy skills went into overdrive and I bumped into a Tesla. The owner said his Tesla was 5 days old (YIKES) and he had actually scheduled a time already to get his bumper replaced due to damage done previously to this pic. He said that luckily he had taken pictures and submitted them to the Tesla shop. The mechanics let him know that the bumper needed to be replaced (without the damage caused by me) and we would not need to move forward with filing a claim. Hopefully my wording makes sense! He said that he was glad this turned out the way it did because he didn t want to file a claim on his brand new car anyways. He was a super nice guy and thanked me for being honest! Thank you all for the awards thanks to those who researched to see how much the damage might be and for all of the kind comments. Take care and have a great night! Edit: I cannot update the title for some reason. I have received permission to post this. | So there was a defect with the bumper before you hit it and they were already going to replace it under warranty? That s wonderful! (For you anyway.) Again kudos for your honesty. | Thanks for the update! I guess that really is some good karma there! | 54 | 21 | 7,586 |
jb2z09 | 73 | Tesla Policy Team letter to Question 1 voters **Just got this in my inbox \\*\\*Massachusetts resident\\*\\*** Hello As you go to the polls this fall Tesla asks that you vote no on Question 1. Tesla has long applied an [open source philosophy](https: link.tesla.com ls click?upn=z5ziukJEOxlcwGTwtaNlVvtyf17dCPlUrE1sxw5ap-2FtTTxqbSaFIF7ewFZGM8tD47hAtIvSlALokqJ6w8e9KerqdB6ek2SS10u7xSYYrDGK2HVdEymRihYcxxD8i-2BejNH6cOoK8hrpufhEi-2BkcLZB97Wx7uixHHMgLmniO8qIDXTBG5Ki-2BtOBmcf4oSo2oQSq-2BebJVfppFjz8VRmigUCwZX080FNh3PHS2M6sy-2BLA9nVeqrYnvtxrBENWxr-2FZjBAqfFvuCp6OmEwzcAhYw6Y-2FEK6ounfjbwSJNRHjshqyMDimxxCXB-2F1Dq829PPakQVY0QGmVSDWbLyBgCChCtUbRDn2TIDWJriv83rnasJ-2BDutFzD3d5erok2TnvTuS-2Boc9g-2BPTMZ1haepM1soiHb4ziZIt5-2BaYr-2FEsovcbliZD4XN58Zdf614LGmVgHXG2NmbKMTrCF-2B4UkRyOnqCo-2FhgGpl9B9mOpqPKY1JVwDpm-2B847pjaWCHAAN-2FoM1LSzgDVCAtaezqRc4PMNjwola87aKkTG0792W5ExD4XtaSBIZ5VrqLKwcLk-2FRsairQ1XYTj-2FAiTnpVVw6dYQybRrQRLuJ0ow6jQ5EmaNd1uNiENgNAG21en-2BLkrhsAX7dqaKDjwWINHnvrM6L83VvyFJvMEQFSAq9IZJjLEToef04lp8ri7n1D82rByrtIwTh2g1AKKis-2FyHW9OSuctvg2aom96gjOOmxS8Q8J84kdnUki0ghuUK0GYMHLYpyzIMNY2XaLT6R2lyP_sbkgCzbZHTIvETseoiRM3DODCj3pc8oeELabDPhkcVPPSwAn-2Fdvvmg6dXqQ-2BtvFYlWtSyEyGtGjZEt56SSoc-2BhuKewx6o5z7ugLIsuHV2doHWASB-2B-2FW56dwflBqQy9bdDJsbwK4MUw3QFw6cLgy0HbVp0LyTsi-2Bs-2B6iRZHO-2BddCc9x6RMVfc2sAgMzyREc7jfugW1usA7RRypiJD1i5NdBPybBN4lAG76wWKAW8m-2FncSu29jPMvWsTtCEtDwI9S1diOJNOaJPxMD9nGWx9TWTbOtuR10PZDU0sIW5mZGRcnHKBoBn1cfoCGjvpKFrDmfKW7OF-2F1409W4K2dNZhxLd4agf-2FNp5kdRCn-2BbFuujgYd2b7ITE5fu-2Fa05dldZkGFv) to our patented intellectual property for electric vehicles. In this spirit we provide public access to our service parts and body repair manuals wiring diagrams service bulletins labor codes and times and other information used to perform mechanical electrical and collision repair work on our vehicles.Question 1 goes well beyond what is necessary to perform this work and it potentially jeopardizes vehicle and data security. The requirements pushed by two national auto shop lobbying groups would make vehicles more vulnerable to cyberattacks and would make successful attacks more harmful. But don t take our word for it. Here s what the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) the federal agency tasked with vehicle safety and security had to say about Question 1: * * As this testimony will further elaborate it is our view that the terms of the ballot initiative would prohibit manufacturers from complying with both existing Federal guidance and cybersecurity hygiene best practices. NHTSA is also concerned about the increased safety-related cybersecurity risks of a requirement for remote real-time bi-directional (i.e. read write capability) access to safety-critical vehicular systems. Given the multi-year automotive product development cycle the deadline for compliance appears impossible for manufacturers to meet in a responsible manner risking removal of existing cybersecurity controls over wireless access into vehicles as the ballot initiative directs which increases the risk of cybersecurity attacks that could jeopardize public safety. Further the requirement to establish universal and standardized access requirements increases the scale of risks of any potentially successful cybersecurity attack...* * * NHTSA has grave concerns with any proposed policy that would effectively prohibit wireless access controls in motor vehicles sold in the United States.* *This would raise substantial safety risks for American families.* **Tesla agrees with NHTSA s assessment of the risk posed by Question 1 and we ask that you vote against it.** The full letter from NHTSA can be found [here](https: link.tesla.com ls click?upn=z5ziukJEOxlcwGTwtaNlVvtyf17dCPlUrE1sxw5ap-2FtTTxqbSaFIF7ewFZGM8tD47hAtIvSlALokqJ6w8e9KerqdB6ek2SS10u7xSYYrDGK2HVdEymRihYcxxD8i-2BejNH6cOoK8hrpufhEi-2BkcLZB97Wx7uixHHMgLmniO8qIDXR-2BLp5-2BRzYMD8XjkM9kQN7aGhET31pR37-2Brlm-2FlumoJyCTz-2BBTRLAdpYjYRARMxmGhTzS31WGOdG-2BQKKf3M9r1Tu6TCljhgNpd-2Bx5J3etEOT-2Bl70E6lXbzsQSFPLyfAyetxJdmwZCNKtes2Hy0jMYkArAC2lwBI-2BjMQZnl9HqOBjd3VrNO0IdYV1IpHTUm-2BD-2BC3FpGeCCLX2jjHT8SZ072-2BQijqQskfD-2B-2FfPJ5QOuroDtO-2BJUuBAEY8lHHtp-2Bn1M40d82cH7BcVZD11VePw9CGHUcmlj67NfBe4-2B4H6hc5NiDfYQAPRzaZX-2BkM-2F8-2FQnbv-2BvHsGmghTvc7vYFqCrhYf-2BxVnpv-2Bs081KfpAUsXc3FxO8jDH3yHvPfH10Kv2TWqUyJiirFs45J6Vf3uF3lnjau4ZegkINLjUrd6sZwzH-2Ba5DWTQQvgIuvSh2oHngvsSPVfm9dhhIrig5tswypIqYBZqBfU-2BMv7bItkAB0gR8ZYAQTLtRAar6oZnD7Fb-2FUHblw33OD75ok0F7bWliyxQrLbUgGRhtdEC7pcIwy829kjcsy0hWjOEzNHR1oHxcwgcem6ZU7zxxjJANMHhTLx-2FLvMItPh1LrslJ2K-2BusEnGrg-2BrGPqXGFNf91Jjf-2BbwRpPbl6H-2B0gztzhiGJ-2BLxYCzDiSxKgxgyEZVb0NFtWgSQI5clZUIS0OWMklFq9ys91fJI-3DgDDH_sbkgCzbZHTIvETseoiRM3DODCj3pc8oeELabDPhkcVPPSwAn-2Fdvvmg6dXqQ-2BtvFYlWtSyEyGtGjZEt56SSoc-2BhuKewx6o5z7ugLIsuHV2doHWASB-2B-2FW56dwflBqQy9bdDJsbwK4MUw3QFw6cLgy0HbVp0LyTsi-2Bs-2B6iRZHO-2BddCc9x6RMVfc2sAgMzyREc7jfugW1usA7RRypiJD1i5NdBPybBN4lAG76wWKAW8m-2FndOTjYmLUB3VD-2B98IIX-2B0ar0FTeHcC1dTNRz1HHAQnqIPlqyQ7StNxSi-2Feu6eK4EADjWW-2FZZ6sj1Hegx4T94w10Rr8Z3kL3lbUhw-2BenLD0h-2F19KTDjdaxyHFVV9AVwFdPD3Nn3PGKP-2B9Rh6xO5Pj4ax). Please consider sharing this with your friends and family.Thank you Tesla Policy Team | I m in MA and I voted this morning. I voted Yes. I work in computer security and have for decades. I ve seen the balance between security by obscurity and open source and am firmly in the open source camp. These APIs *can* be made secure but it takes people who know what they re doing. Tesla has already run into problems at one point a white hat hacker showed that he could have app-level access to the entire fleet and (for example) activate Summon on any FSD equipped car: https: electrek.co 2020 08 27 tesla-hack-control-over-entire-fleet It will take time and expense for Tesla to secure the required API but it can be done. ...and passing this not only makes repairing Teslas easier it does so for all cars. | Got the same email as well. I would like to better understand the merit of Tesla s claim which sounds more hypothetical and light on specifics. Are there specific ways in which this law if implemented would make our cars more vulnerable to attack? Or is this just more fear-mongering [like what other auto-makers are doing](https: www.heraldnews.com news 20200728 new-tv-ad-makes-link-between-mass-question-1-and-predators) (absurdly implying that opening up vehicle diagnostic data will suddenly make you a target of sexual predators). | 46 | 2 | 7,587 |
jb2z09 | 73 | Tesla Policy Team letter to Question 1 voters **Just got this in my inbox \\*\\*Massachusetts resident\\*\\*** Hello As you go to the polls this fall Tesla asks that you vote no on Question 1. Tesla has long applied an [open source philosophy](https: link.tesla.com ls click?upn=z5ziukJEOxlcwGTwtaNlVvtyf17dCPlUrE1sxw5ap-2FtTTxqbSaFIF7ewFZGM8tD47hAtIvSlALokqJ6w8e9KerqdB6ek2SS10u7xSYYrDGK2HVdEymRihYcxxD8i-2BejNH6cOoK8hrpufhEi-2BkcLZB97Wx7uixHHMgLmniO8qIDXTBG5Ki-2BtOBmcf4oSo2oQSq-2BebJVfppFjz8VRmigUCwZX080FNh3PHS2M6sy-2BLA9nVeqrYnvtxrBENWxr-2FZjBAqfFvuCp6OmEwzcAhYw6Y-2FEK6ounfjbwSJNRHjshqyMDimxxCXB-2F1Dq829PPakQVY0QGmVSDWbLyBgCChCtUbRDn2TIDWJriv83rnasJ-2BDutFzD3d5erok2TnvTuS-2Boc9g-2BPTMZ1haepM1soiHb4ziZIt5-2BaYr-2FEsovcbliZD4XN58Zdf614LGmVgHXG2NmbKMTrCF-2B4UkRyOnqCo-2FhgGpl9B9mOpqPKY1JVwDpm-2B847pjaWCHAAN-2FoM1LSzgDVCAtaezqRc4PMNjwola87aKkTG0792W5ExD4XtaSBIZ5VrqLKwcLk-2FRsairQ1XYTj-2FAiTnpVVw6dYQybRrQRLuJ0ow6jQ5EmaNd1uNiENgNAG21en-2BLkrhsAX7dqaKDjwWINHnvrM6L83VvyFJvMEQFSAq9IZJjLEToef04lp8ri7n1D82rByrtIwTh2g1AKKis-2FyHW9OSuctvg2aom96gjOOmxS8Q8J84kdnUki0ghuUK0GYMHLYpyzIMNY2XaLT6R2lyP_sbkgCzbZHTIvETseoiRM3DODCj3pc8oeELabDPhkcVPPSwAn-2Fdvvmg6dXqQ-2BtvFYlWtSyEyGtGjZEt56SSoc-2BhuKewx6o5z7ugLIsuHV2doHWASB-2B-2FW56dwflBqQy9bdDJsbwK4MUw3QFw6cLgy0HbVp0LyTsi-2Bs-2B6iRZHO-2BddCc9x6RMVfc2sAgMzyREc7jfugW1usA7RRypiJD1i5NdBPybBN4lAG76wWKAW8m-2FncSu29jPMvWsTtCEtDwI9S1diOJNOaJPxMD9nGWx9TWTbOtuR10PZDU0sIW5mZGRcnHKBoBn1cfoCGjvpKFrDmfKW7OF-2F1409W4K2dNZhxLd4agf-2FNp5kdRCn-2BbFuujgYd2b7ITE5fu-2Fa05dldZkGFv) to our patented intellectual property for electric vehicles. In this spirit we provide public access to our service parts and body repair manuals wiring diagrams service bulletins labor codes and times and other information used to perform mechanical electrical and collision repair work on our vehicles.Question 1 goes well beyond what is necessary to perform this work and it potentially jeopardizes vehicle and data security. The requirements pushed by two national auto shop lobbying groups would make vehicles more vulnerable to cyberattacks and would make successful attacks more harmful. But don t take our word for it. Here s what the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) the federal agency tasked with vehicle safety and security had to say about Question 1: * * As this testimony will further elaborate it is our view that the terms of the ballot initiative would prohibit manufacturers from complying with both existing Federal guidance and cybersecurity hygiene best practices. NHTSA is also concerned about the increased safety-related cybersecurity risks of a requirement for remote real-time bi-directional (i.e. read write capability) access to safety-critical vehicular systems. Given the multi-year automotive product development cycle the deadline for compliance appears impossible for manufacturers to meet in a responsible manner risking removal of existing cybersecurity controls over wireless access into vehicles as the ballot initiative directs which increases the risk of cybersecurity attacks that could jeopardize public safety. Further the requirement to establish universal and standardized access requirements increases the scale of risks of any potentially successful cybersecurity attack...* * * NHTSA has grave concerns with any proposed policy that would effectively prohibit wireless access controls in motor vehicles sold in the United States.* *This would raise substantial safety risks for American families.* **Tesla agrees with NHTSA s assessment of the risk posed by Question 1 and we ask that you vote against it.** The full letter from NHTSA can be found [here](https: link.tesla.com ls click?upn=z5ziukJEOxlcwGTwtaNlVvtyf17dCPlUrE1sxw5ap-2FtTTxqbSaFIF7ewFZGM8tD47hAtIvSlALokqJ6w8e9KerqdB6ek2SS10u7xSYYrDGK2HVdEymRihYcxxD8i-2BejNH6cOoK8hrpufhEi-2BkcLZB97Wx7uixHHMgLmniO8qIDXR-2BLp5-2BRzYMD8XjkM9kQN7aGhET31pR37-2Brlm-2FlumoJyCTz-2BBTRLAdpYjYRARMxmGhTzS31WGOdG-2BQKKf3M9r1Tu6TCljhgNpd-2Bx5J3etEOT-2Bl70E6lXbzsQSFPLyfAyetxJdmwZCNKtes2Hy0jMYkArAC2lwBI-2BjMQZnl9HqOBjd3VrNO0IdYV1IpHTUm-2BD-2BC3FpGeCCLX2jjHT8SZ072-2BQijqQskfD-2B-2FfPJ5QOuroDtO-2BJUuBAEY8lHHtp-2Bn1M40d82cH7BcVZD11VePw9CGHUcmlj67NfBe4-2B4H6hc5NiDfYQAPRzaZX-2BkM-2F8-2FQnbv-2BvHsGmghTvc7vYFqCrhYf-2BxVnpv-2Bs081KfpAUsXc3FxO8jDH3yHvPfH10Kv2TWqUyJiirFs45J6Vf3uF3lnjau4ZegkINLjUrd6sZwzH-2Ba5DWTQQvgIuvSh2oHngvsSPVfm9dhhIrig5tswypIqYBZqBfU-2BMv7bItkAB0gR8ZYAQTLtRAar6oZnD7Fb-2FUHblw33OD75ok0F7bWliyxQrLbUgGRhtdEC7pcIwy829kjcsy0hWjOEzNHR1oHxcwgcem6ZU7zxxjJANMHhTLx-2FLvMItPh1LrslJ2K-2BusEnGrg-2BrGPqXGFNf91Jjf-2BbwRpPbl6H-2B0gztzhiGJ-2BLxYCzDiSxKgxgyEZVb0NFtWgSQI5clZUIS0OWMklFq9ys91fJI-3DgDDH_sbkgCzbZHTIvETseoiRM3DODCj3pc8oeELabDPhkcVPPSwAn-2Fdvvmg6dXqQ-2BtvFYlWtSyEyGtGjZEt56SSoc-2BhuKewx6o5z7ugLIsuHV2doHWASB-2B-2FW56dwflBqQy9bdDJsbwK4MUw3QFw6cLgy0HbVp0LyTsi-2Bs-2B6iRZHO-2BddCc9x6RMVfc2sAgMzyREc7jfugW1usA7RRypiJD1i5NdBPybBN4lAG76wWKAW8m-2FndOTjYmLUB3VD-2B98IIX-2B0ar0FTeHcC1dTNRz1HHAQnqIPlqyQ7StNxSi-2Feu6eK4EADjWW-2FZZ6sj1Hegx4T94w10Rr8Z3kL3lbUhw-2BenLD0h-2F19KTDjdaxyHFVV9AVwFdPD3Nn3PGKP-2B9Rh6xO5Pj4ax). Please consider sharing this with your friends and family.Thank you Tesla Policy Team | I m in MA and I voted this morning. I voted Yes. I work in computer security and have for decades. I ve seen the balance between security by obscurity and open source and am firmly in the open source camp. These APIs *can* be made secure but it takes people who know what they re doing. Tesla has already run into problems at one point a white hat hacker showed that he could have app-level access to the entire fleet and (for example) activate Summon on any FSD equipped car: https: electrek.co 2020 08 27 tesla-hack-control-over-entire-fleet It will take time and expense for Tesla to secure the required API but it can be done. ...and passing this not only makes repairing Teslas easier it does so for all cars. | I was 100% yes on Question 1 until I got this email. Now I don t know what to think. Strangely I never considered ***my Tesla*** when considering this Question. I always thought of it in terms of ICE cars only. Curious to know what people more tech-savvy than me think. | 46 | 3 | 7,588 |
jb2z09 | 73 | Tesla Policy Team letter to Question 1 voters **Just got this in my inbox \\*\\*Massachusetts resident\\*\\*** Hello As you go to the polls this fall Tesla asks that you vote no on Question 1. Tesla has long applied an [open source philosophy](https: link.tesla.com ls click?upn=z5ziukJEOxlcwGTwtaNlVvtyf17dCPlUrE1sxw5ap-2FtTTxqbSaFIF7ewFZGM8tD47hAtIvSlALokqJ6w8e9KerqdB6ek2SS10u7xSYYrDGK2HVdEymRihYcxxD8i-2BejNH6cOoK8hrpufhEi-2BkcLZB97Wx7uixHHMgLmniO8qIDXTBG5Ki-2BtOBmcf4oSo2oQSq-2BebJVfppFjz8VRmigUCwZX080FNh3PHS2M6sy-2BLA9nVeqrYnvtxrBENWxr-2FZjBAqfFvuCp6OmEwzcAhYw6Y-2FEK6ounfjbwSJNRHjshqyMDimxxCXB-2F1Dq829PPakQVY0QGmVSDWbLyBgCChCtUbRDn2TIDWJriv83rnasJ-2BDutFzD3d5erok2TnvTuS-2Boc9g-2BPTMZ1haepM1soiHb4ziZIt5-2BaYr-2FEsovcbliZD4XN58Zdf614LGmVgHXG2NmbKMTrCF-2B4UkRyOnqCo-2FhgGpl9B9mOpqPKY1JVwDpm-2B847pjaWCHAAN-2FoM1LSzgDVCAtaezqRc4PMNjwola87aKkTG0792W5ExD4XtaSBIZ5VrqLKwcLk-2FRsairQ1XYTj-2FAiTnpVVw6dYQybRrQRLuJ0ow6jQ5EmaNd1uNiENgNAG21en-2BLkrhsAX7dqaKDjwWINHnvrM6L83VvyFJvMEQFSAq9IZJjLEToef04lp8ri7n1D82rByrtIwTh2g1AKKis-2FyHW9OSuctvg2aom96gjOOmxS8Q8J84kdnUki0ghuUK0GYMHLYpyzIMNY2XaLT6R2lyP_sbkgCzbZHTIvETseoiRM3DODCj3pc8oeELabDPhkcVPPSwAn-2Fdvvmg6dXqQ-2BtvFYlWtSyEyGtGjZEt56SSoc-2BhuKewx6o5z7ugLIsuHV2doHWASB-2B-2FW56dwflBqQy9bdDJsbwK4MUw3QFw6cLgy0HbVp0LyTsi-2Bs-2B6iRZHO-2BddCc9x6RMVfc2sAgMzyREc7jfugW1usA7RRypiJD1i5NdBPybBN4lAG76wWKAW8m-2FncSu29jPMvWsTtCEtDwI9S1diOJNOaJPxMD9nGWx9TWTbOtuR10PZDU0sIW5mZGRcnHKBoBn1cfoCGjvpKFrDmfKW7OF-2F1409W4K2dNZhxLd4agf-2FNp5kdRCn-2BbFuujgYd2b7ITE5fu-2Fa05dldZkGFv) to our patented intellectual property for electric vehicles. In this spirit we provide public access to our service parts and body repair manuals wiring diagrams service bulletins labor codes and times and other information used to perform mechanical electrical and collision repair work on our vehicles.Question 1 goes well beyond what is necessary to perform this work and it potentially jeopardizes vehicle and data security. The requirements pushed by two national auto shop lobbying groups would make vehicles more vulnerable to cyberattacks and would make successful attacks more harmful. But don t take our word for it. Here s what the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) the federal agency tasked with vehicle safety and security had to say about Question 1: * * As this testimony will further elaborate it is our view that the terms of the ballot initiative would prohibit manufacturers from complying with both existing Federal guidance and cybersecurity hygiene best practices. NHTSA is also concerned about the increased safety-related cybersecurity risks of a requirement for remote real-time bi-directional (i.e. read write capability) access to safety-critical vehicular systems. Given the multi-year automotive product development cycle the deadline for compliance appears impossible for manufacturers to meet in a responsible manner risking removal of existing cybersecurity controls over wireless access into vehicles as the ballot initiative directs which increases the risk of cybersecurity attacks that could jeopardize public safety. Further the requirement to establish universal and standardized access requirements increases the scale of risks of any potentially successful cybersecurity attack...* * * NHTSA has grave concerns with any proposed policy that would effectively prohibit wireless access controls in motor vehicles sold in the United States.* *This would raise substantial safety risks for American families.* **Tesla agrees with NHTSA s assessment of the risk posed by Question 1 and we ask that you vote against it.** The full letter from NHTSA can be found [here](https: link.tesla.com ls click?upn=z5ziukJEOxlcwGTwtaNlVvtyf17dCPlUrE1sxw5ap-2FtTTxqbSaFIF7ewFZGM8tD47hAtIvSlALokqJ6w8e9KerqdB6ek2SS10u7xSYYrDGK2HVdEymRihYcxxD8i-2BejNH6cOoK8hrpufhEi-2BkcLZB97Wx7uixHHMgLmniO8qIDXR-2BLp5-2BRzYMD8XjkM9kQN7aGhET31pR37-2Brlm-2FlumoJyCTz-2BBTRLAdpYjYRARMxmGhTzS31WGOdG-2BQKKf3M9r1Tu6TCljhgNpd-2Bx5J3etEOT-2Bl70E6lXbzsQSFPLyfAyetxJdmwZCNKtes2Hy0jMYkArAC2lwBI-2BjMQZnl9HqOBjd3VrNO0IdYV1IpHTUm-2BD-2BC3FpGeCCLX2jjHT8SZ072-2BQijqQskfD-2B-2FfPJ5QOuroDtO-2BJUuBAEY8lHHtp-2Bn1M40d82cH7BcVZD11VePw9CGHUcmlj67NfBe4-2B4H6hc5NiDfYQAPRzaZX-2BkM-2F8-2FQnbv-2BvHsGmghTvc7vYFqCrhYf-2BxVnpv-2Bs081KfpAUsXc3FxO8jDH3yHvPfH10Kv2TWqUyJiirFs45J6Vf3uF3lnjau4ZegkINLjUrd6sZwzH-2Ba5DWTQQvgIuvSh2oHngvsSPVfm9dhhIrig5tswypIqYBZqBfU-2BMv7bItkAB0gR8ZYAQTLtRAar6oZnD7Fb-2FUHblw33OD75ok0F7bWliyxQrLbUgGRhtdEC7pcIwy829kjcsy0hWjOEzNHR1oHxcwgcem6ZU7zxxjJANMHhTLx-2FLvMItPh1LrslJ2K-2BusEnGrg-2BrGPqXGFNf91Jjf-2BbwRpPbl6H-2B0gztzhiGJ-2BLxYCzDiSxKgxgyEZVb0NFtWgSQI5clZUIS0OWMklFq9ys91fJI-3DgDDH_sbkgCzbZHTIvETseoiRM3DODCj3pc8oeELabDPhkcVPPSwAn-2Fdvvmg6dXqQ-2BtvFYlWtSyEyGtGjZEt56SSoc-2BhuKewx6o5z7ugLIsuHV2doHWASB-2B-2FW56dwflBqQy9bdDJsbwK4MUw3QFw6cLgy0HbVp0LyTsi-2Bs-2B6iRZHO-2BddCc9x6RMVfc2sAgMzyREc7jfugW1usA7RRypiJD1i5NdBPybBN4lAG76wWKAW8m-2FndOTjYmLUB3VD-2B98IIX-2B0ar0FTeHcC1dTNRz1HHAQnqIPlqyQ7StNxSi-2Feu6eK4EADjWW-2FZZ6sj1Hegx4T94w10Rr8Z3kL3lbUhw-2BenLD0h-2F19KTDjdaxyHFVV9AVwFdPD3Nn3PGKP-2B9Rh6xO5Pj4ax). Please consider sharing this with your friends and family.Thank you Tesla Policy Team | Watch all the ads for No on question 1 . Their whole stance behind voting No is to KEEP YOUR DATA SAFE Pretty much every new car is already connected to the internet in some form and is already capable of being hacked . Giving owners and independent body shops does not change a thing. Right now if your Tesla requires diagnosis you have no choice but to go to Tesla. Teslas are really easy to work on but without Tesla providing their diagnostic software it makes some repairs impossible to complete. * You lost your keys? Guess what Tesla only. * Your out of warranty drive unit failed? Guess what only Tesla can reprogram it. * One of the many components on the car failed? Guess what only Tesla tools can pair it to the car. Massachusetts s Right to Repair law is currently the only reason anyone even has access to any Tesla documents which include wiring diagrams service manuals and body repair information. **If you can vote in MA or know anyone that can I strongly recommend that you vote Yes on Question 1.** | Got the same email as well. I would like to better understand the merit of Tesla s claim which sounds more hypothetical and light on specifics. Are there specific ways in which this law if implemented would make our cars more vulnerable to attack? Or is this just more fear-mongering [like what other auto-makers are doing](https: www.heraldnews.com news 20200728 new-tv-ad-makes-link-between-mass-question-1-and-predators) (absurdly implying that opening up vehicle diagnostic data will suddenly make you a target of sexual predators). | 39 | 2 | 7,589 |
jcf1t4 | 126 | If you have a delivery date but want the 2021 refresh DO NOT PANIC REFUSE DELIVERY I placed an order last week for a Model 3. At the time I placed the order the delivery estimate was 5-9 weeks which I was obviously OK with. The next day I got a text saying I should schedule delivery for my Model 3. I was supposed to receive my car *today* (in about 2 hours from writing this actually) but I got on the line with Tesla customer support today morning after seeing the official refresh go live and they were perfectly willing to un-match me with this car and put me in the queue for a new refreshed 2021 model. So uh... if you really want the new stuff and are willing to wait try calling them! I can t guarantee it ll work obviously -- maybe I just got lucky or they saw the short turnaround on my order and were willing to just put back in the queue at where I would ve been anyway if there hadn t been a perfect match in the area -- but it s at least worth a shot. | You re handing them $60-70k. You re the customer not some beggar. Just tell them what you want. | I just picked up my model 3 long range on Tuesday And I am feeling a LITTLE salty THAT S LIKE 10% EXTRA RANGE | 58 | 28 | 7,590 |
jcgwoc | 93 | Tesla made me pay for a flight to pick up my Model 3 and now refuse to follow through on their reimbursement. I m located in BC Canada. I made my order online and based on the guidelines I was located far enough away from a Tesla Store that I should have qualified for a delivery. Shortly after I received a phone call where the sales adviser explained to me that the provincial legislation allegedly prevent them from selling a car offsite and that I would have to go to the nearest store in Vancouver to pick it up. Since it s 4 hours away from me by car or an hour s flight I was told that I could take a one-way flight and then drive the Model 3 home. They claimed that I would be reimbursed for the costs of the flight so I agreed to their terms. On June 20th I was given a delivery date of June 24th. I confirmed again over email that my flight would be reimbursed - the sales adviser says: Please send me your receipt and I will forward it to my delivery adviser for reimbursement . Now with written confirmation I went ahead and booked the flight and forwarded the receipt as instructed. On June 24th at the delivery appointment I was told again in person that my flight would be reimbursed. On June 29th I sent an email to the sales adviser asking what the process for reimbursement looks like. This was the response: This is the confirmation that your ticket has been **approved** for **reimbursement** you should see the check go to your mailing address from 4-6 weeks! At this point I thought it was a little strange that a cheque takes a month and a half to get sorted but I m a patient person and I happily waited my 4-6 weeks. On August 12th (7 weeks past delivery) I sent a follow-up email enquiring on the status of the reimbursement as nothing had shown up yet. I received this as a response: I am following up with [Delivery Manager] to see the update on the reimbursement now. It should take 4-8 weeks! This message was concerning to me as the timeline now shifted from 4-6 weeks to 4-8 weeks. No big deal I still thought - and I continued to wait. On September 9th (11.5 weeks past delivery) I sent another follow-up asking for another update. Still having nothing arrive in the mail I asked if there was a reason for the delay and that I d be happy to help if they needed any details from me. A day later their response was: I am so sorry to hear that I have CC d [Name] who is our delivery adviser to follow up on the reimbursement update. On September 12th I responded to the email saying that any update they could provide me would be very much appreciated. On September 14th I received another email from the sales adviser: My delivery manager has your situation under his radar. He will be reaching out to you shortly with an update on the ticket reimbursement. **This delivery manager never reached out.** Throughout this entire process to today I haven t heard back once from this delivery manager. On October 3rd (15 weeks 4 months past delivery) I sent another follow-up where I requested another update having never received a response when I was told to expect one. The sales adviser s response was: The delivery manager will be back in the office tomorrow morning the last time I checked he was looking into this. Let me follow up with him first thing tomorrow and I ll give you an update asap! That was 12 days ago and I ve been ghosted yet again - no response no update and no explanation as to why things are taking so long to process. In hindsight I regret not asking for the reimbursement on delivery but I never expected a corporation of this scale to act like a flaky friend that I lent rent money to. What are my options here? This whole ordeal has really left a sour taste in my mouth but I really just want to get this done and over with. Any advice you guys might have on how to get this closed would be great. *********** **EDIT:** Following this post I received an email from a customer experience representative from Tesla California. She apologized for the situation confirmed my address and couriered a cheque to me overnight - only took 3 days to resolve everything after her first contact. I m glad everything was resolved in the end I just hope this serves as a learning lesson for them in the future so this doesn t happen to anyone else. | Small claims court. | Tweet Elon? 🤷♂️ | 66 | 5 | 7,591 |
jcgwoc | 93 | Tesla made me pay for a flight to pick up my Model 3 and now refuse to follow through on their reimbursement. I m located in BC Canada. I made my order online and based on the guidelines I was located far enough away from a Tesla Store that I should have qualified for a delivery. Shortly after I received a phone call where the sales adviser explained to me that the provincial legislation allegedly prevent them from selling a car offsite and that I would have to go to the nearest store in Vancouver to pick it up. Since it s 4 hours away from me by car or an hour s flight I was told that I could take a one-way flight and then drive the Model 3 home. They claimed that I would be reimbursed for the costs of the flight so I agreed to their terms. On June 20th I was given a delivery date of June 24th. I confirmed again over email that my flight would be reimbursed - the sales adviser says: Please send me your receipt and I will forward it to my delivery adviser for reimbursement . Now with written confirmation I went ahead and booked the flight and forwarded the receipt as instructed. On June 24th at the delivery appointment I was told again in person that my flight would be reimbursed. On June 29th I sent an email to the sales adviser asking what the process for reimbursement looks like. This was the response: This is the confirmation that your ticket has been **approved** for **reimbursement** you should see the check go to your mailing address from 4-6 weeks! At this point I thought it was a little strange that a cheque takes a month and a half to get sorted but I m a patient person and I happily waited my 4-6 weeks. On August 12th (7 weeks past delivery) I sent a follow-up email enquiring on the status of the reimbursement as nothing had shown up yet. I received this as a response: I am following up with [Delivery Manager] to see the update on the reimbursement now. It should take 4-8 weeks! This message was concerning to me as the timeline now shifted from 4-6 weeks to 4-8 weeks. No big deal I still thought - and I continued to wait. On September 9th (11.5 weeks past delivery) I sent another follow-up asking for another update. Still having nothing arrive in the mail I asked if there was a reason for the delay and that I d be happy to help if they needed any details from me. A day later their response was: I am so sorry to hear that I have CC d [Name] who is our delivery adviser to follow up on the reimbursement update. On September 12th I responded to the email saying that any update they could provide me would be very much appreciated. On September 14th I received another email from the sales adviser: My delivery manager has your situation under his radar. He will be reaching out to you shortly with an update on the ticket reimbursement. **This delivery manager never reached out.** Throughout this entire process to today I haven t heard back once from this delivery manager. On October 3rd (15 weeks 4 months past delivery) I sent another follow-up where I requested another update having never received a response when I was told to expect one. The sales adviser s response was: The delivery manager will be back in the office tomorrow morning the last time I checked he was looking into this. Let me follow up with him first thing tomorrow and I ll give you an update asap! That was 12 days ago and I ve been ghosted yet again - no response no update and no explanation as to why things are taking so long to process. In hindsight I regret not asking for the reimbursement on delivery but I never expected a corporation of this scale to act like a flaky friend that I lent rent money to. What are my options here? This whole ordeal has really left a sour taste in my mouth but I really just want to get this done and over with. Any advice you guys might have on how to get this closed would be great. *********** **EDIT:** Following this post I received an email from a customer experience representative from Tesla California. She apologized for the situation confirmed my address and couriered a cheque to me overnight - only took 3 days to resolve everything after her first contact. I m glad everything was resolved in the end I just hope this serves as a learning lesson for them in the future so this doesn t happen to anyone else. | Small claims court. | I love tesla but have a similar issue I was promised 9 months free supercharging received many confirmations by e-mail and after a year they claim something went wrong and I can t get it anymore. Unfortunatly they don t seem to do any follow-up you always need to take the initiative. I really hope they create some kind of ticketing system where you have to agree with the solution before they can close it and force them to follow up. | 66 | 13 | 7,592 |
jcgwoc | 93 | Tesla made me pay for a flight to pick up my Model 3 and now refuse to follow through on their reimbursement. I m located in BC Canada. I made my order online and based on the guidelines I was located far enough away from a Tesla Store that I should have qualified for a delivery. Shortly after I received a phone call where the sales adviser explained to me that the provincial legislation allegedly prevent them from selling a car offsite and that I would have to go to the nearest store in Vancouver to pick it up. Since it s 4 hours away from me by car or an hour s flight I was told that I could take a one-way flight and then drive the Model 3 home. They claimed that I would be reimbursed for the costs of the flight so I agreed to their terms. On June 20th I was given a delivery date of June 24th. I confirmed again over email that my flight would be reimbursed - the sales adviser says: Please send me your receipt and I will forward it to my delivery adviser for reimbursement . Now with written confirmation I went ahead and booked the flight and forwarded the receipt as instructed. On June 24th at the delivery appointment I was told again in person that my flight would be reimbursed. On June 29th I sent an email to the sales adviser asking what the process for reimbursement looks like. This was the response: This is the confirmation that your ticket has been **approved** for **reimbursement** you should see the check go to your mailing address from 4-6 weeks! At this point I thought it was a little strange that a cheque takes a month and a half to get sorted but I m a patient person and I happily waited my 4-6 weeks. On August 12th (7 weeks past delivery) I sent a follow-up email enquiring on the status of the reimbursement as nothing had shown up yet. I received this as a response: I am following up with [Delivery Manager] to see the update on the reimbursement now. It should take 4-8 weeks! This message was concerning to me as the timeline now shifted from 4-6 weeks to 4-8 weeks. No big deal I still thought - and I continued to wait. On September 9th (11.5 weeks past delivery) I sent another follow-up asking for another update. Still having nothing arrive in the mail I asked if there was a reason for the delay and that I d be happy to help if they needed any details from me. A day later their response was: I am so sorry to hear that I have CC d [Name] who is our delivery adviser to follow up on the reimbursement update. On September 12th I responded to the email saying that any update they could provide me would be very much appreciated. On September 14th I received another email from the sales adviser: My delivery manager has your situation under his radar. He will be reaching out to you shortly with an update on the ticket reimbursement. **This delivery manager never reached out.** Throughout this entire process to today I haven t heard back once from this delivery manager. On October 3rd (15 weeks 4 months past delivery) I sent another follow-up where I requested another update having never received a response when I was told to expect one. The sales adviser s response was: The delivery manager will be back in the office tomorrow morning the last time I checked he was looking into this. Let me follow up with him first thing tomorrow and I ll give you an update asap! That was 12 days ago and I ve been ghosted yet again - no response no update and no explanation as to why things are taking so long to process. In hindsight I regret not asking for the reimbursement on delivery but I never expected a corporation of this scale to act like a flaky friend that I lent rent money to. What are my options here? This whole ordeal has really left a sour taste in my mouth but I really just want to get this done and over with. Any advice you guys might have on how to get this closed would be great. *********** **EDIT:** Following this post I received an email from a customer experience representative from Tesla California. She apologized for the situation confirmed my address and couriered a cheque to me overnight - only took 3 days to resolve everything after her first contact. I m glad everything was resolved in the end I just hope this serves as a learning lesson for them in the future so this doesn t happen to anyone else. | Small claims court. | The cars are great. Everything else ... not so much. | 66 | 24 | 7,593 |
jcjnde | 83 | Unpopular option. I m glad Tesla killed the 7-day return policy. I feel bad for people who use it for legitimate reasons tho. People showing up with 4-page delivery checklists. Complaining about every minor 2mm panel alignment “issues”. Refusing delivery over minor paint drips that could be buffed out in 10 minutes. Angry when their door sticks out 1mm more than the next. Slight trim misalignments that mobile service could fix for free in 20-minutes in your driveway. Slight color differences between metal and plastic painted surfaces. You thought the Model 3 launch was crazy with owners being picky. The Model Y launch was something else. There are entire YouTube channels dedicated to “Tesla build quality” where they upload new videos weekly about the vehicles showing up and how the build quality appears. This has become an entire genre. Everything has problems if you look hard enough. Every vehicle has some kind of panel misalignment or paint issue. I walked a handful of car lots in my town and could find issues on almost every vehicle using a Tesla delivery checklist and very quickly looking over the vehicles. These are vehicles from your Japanese imports to German racing machines. While I understand the vehicle is expensive and buyers expect perfection there has to be some reasonable assumption that not everything will be perfect. I feel between the number of people on forums the sticker price upfront and people doing the “Tesla stretch” this has compounded pickiness. Trust me I m just as picky as the next and my car showed up with literally every issue possible big and small. But people have to be reasonable. I d rather drive a tesla with no bumpers than half the cars out there. I just feel bad for those who weren t abusing the system. Edit: I ll add as well when viewing the Tesla website you can still return the vehicle before 7-days or 1 600 kilometers if it s an S or X. Seems to be removed from the 3 and Y. Edit again: it seems you still get the 7-day return policy they just removed it from certain spots on the website. Best to check and confirm with Tesla as it could be different in different regions as well. | I ve said this many times here. I ve worked with car customers for 22 years and haven t met one who scrutinizes door alignment panel gaps or paint flaws. They start the car and go home happy. Tesla has brought this level of scrutiny upon itself by letting some doozies leave the assembly line. All it takes is one high profile mulligan (roof falling off Model Y recently) to trigger the OCD in everyone. | > minor 2mm panel alignment “issues”. Refusing delivery over minor paint drips that could be buffed out in 10 minutes. Angry when their door sticks out 1mm more than the next. Slight trim misalignments that mobile service could fix for free in 20-minutes in your driveway. Slight color differences between metal and plastic painted surfaces. Issues like this were tolerable in 1965. The world has moved on from there. Tesla should be able to produce vehicles that don t literally fall apart while driving home. Since they are incapable of doing that removing the cool off period seems misguided. | 209 | 40 | 7,594 |
jcjnde | 83 | Unpopular option. I m glad Tesla killed the 7-day return policy. I feel bad for people who use it for legitimate reasons tho. People showing up with 4-page delivery checklists. Complaining about every minor 2mm panel alignment “issues”. Refusing delivery over minor paint drips that could be buffed out in 10 minutes. Angry when their door sticks out 1mm more than the next. Slight trim misalignments that mobile service could fix for free in 20-minutes in your driveway. Slight color differences between metal and plastic painted surfaces. You thought the Model 3 launch was crazy with owners being picky. The Model Y launch was something else. There are entire YouTube channels dedicated to “Tesla build quality” where they upload new videos weekly about the vehicles showing up and how the build quality appears. This has become an entire genre. Everything has problems if you look hard enough. Every vehicle has some kind of panel misalignment or paint issue. I walked a handful of car lots in my town and could find issues on almost every vehicle using a Tesla delivery checklist and very quickly looking over the vehicles. These are vehicles from your Japanese imports to German racing machines. While I understand the vehicle is expensive and buyers expect perfection there has to be some reasonable assumption that not everything will be perfect. I feel between the number of people on forums the sticker price upfront and people doing the “Tesla stretch” this has compounded pickiness. Trust me I m just as picky as the next and my car showed up with literally every issue possible big and small. But people have to be reasonable. I d rather drive a tesla with no bumpers than half the cars out there. I just feel bad for those who weren t abusing the system. Edit: I ll add as well when viewing the Tesla website you can still return the vehicle before 7-days or 1 600 kilometers if it s an S or X. Seems to be removed from the 3 and Y. Edit again: it seems you still get the 7-day return policy they just removed it from certain spots on the website. Best to check and confirm with Tesla as it could be different in different regions as well. | I ve said this many times here. I ve worked with car customers for 22 years and haven t met one who scrutinizes door alignment panel gaps or paint flaws. They start the car and go home happy. Tesla has brought this level of scrutiny upon itself by letting some doozies leave the assembly line. All it takes is one high profile mulligan (roof falling off Model Y recently) to trigger the OCD in everyone. | The problem was that Tesla was putting up resistance to fixing the issues which is why people started doing the checklists in the first place. An ICE car dealership would fix the problems. | 209 | 60 | 7,595 |
jcjnde | 83 | Unpopular option. I m glad Tesla killed the 7-day return policy. I feel bad for people who use it for legitimate reasons tho. People showing up with 4-page delivery checklists. Complaining about every minor 2mm panel alignment “issues”. Refusing delivery over minor paint drips that could be buffed out in 10 minutes. Angry when their door sticks out 1mm more than the next. Slight trim misalignments that mobile service could fix for free in 20-minutes in your driveway. Slight color differences between metal and plastic painted surfaces. You thought the Model 3 launch was crazy with owners being picky. The Model Y launch was something else. There are entire YouTube channels dedicated to “Tesla build quality” where they upload new videos weekly about the vehicles showing up and how the build quality appears. This has become an entire genre. Everything has problems if you look hard enough. Every vehicle has some kind of panel misalignment or paint issue. I walked a handful of car lots in my town and could find issues on almost every vehicle using a Tesla delivery checklist and very quickly looking over the vehicles. These are vehicles from your Japanese imports to German racing machines. While I understand the vehicle is expensive and buyers expect perfection there has to be some reasonable assumption that not everything will be perfect. I feel between the number of people on forums the sticker price upfront and people doing the “Tesla stretch” this has compounded pickiness. Trust me I m just as picky as the next and my car showed up with literally every issue possible big and small. But people have to be reasonable. I d rather drive a tesla with no bumpers than half the cars out there. I just feel bad for those who weren t abusing the system. Edit: I ll add as well when viewing the Tesla website you can still return the vehicle before 7-days or 1 600 kilometers if it s an S or X. Seems to be removed from the 3 and Y. Edit again: it seems you still get the 7-day return policy they just removed it from certain spots on the website. Best to check and confirm with Tesla as it could be different in different regions as well. | Bullshit. I m not buying a car to “live with” misaligned panels and mismatched paint and chips and water leaks and fuck that. My Infiniti was near perfect when I bought it. I didn t stand in the lot scheduling service because it was fucked up on delivery. This really is Tesla s weakest component. | 7-day return has nothing to do with refusing delivery. Just means they will refuse more often. | 81 | 11 | 7,596 |
jctrxs | 275 | Wow! Model 3 SR+ is very tempting now with 263 miles and new interior!! I ve always been someone who wouldn t compromise on range but the SR+ is starting to be a very compelling vehicle that I think I could recommend to friends. Back when it was 240 miles (with the old heating system) I couldn t recommend it since winter range would be a disappointment and my friends would be disappointed. However now with the heat pump and range bump I think that SR+ is a viable only car all four seasons. Previously I could only recommend AWD Long Range and the price was is high enough that I wasn t comfortable recommending it since I think it s rude to recommend a car that so expensive . However I think I d now be comfortable recommending the SR+ which is a much more affordable price. I need to wait for real-world winter reviews but SR+ looks very compelling!! | My SR+ is absolutely AMAZING with 250 miles. It gets everything I need done. Obviously daily driving is no problem but I recently took it on a 800+ mile road trip and it was perfect. Sure maybe LR would have reduced the stops by one or two but that didn t matter to me. With the range boost it s no doubt a no brainier and a no compromise option. | My theory is that the new SR+ will ultimately have more range than 267 miles. If you click between trims (SR+ LR AWD Performance) on the configuration page only the SR+ lacks an EPA estimated range. The other two trims show a greater % range increase from their 2020 counterparts. It stands to reason that because the efficiency package is in all trims the % increase between SR+ and LR AWD should be similar especially when you factor in that the SR+ weighs ~500lbs less than the LR AWD. What do you guys think viable theory? | 111 | 4 | 7,597 |
jctrxs | 275 | Wow! Model 3 SR+ is very tempting now with 263 miles and new interior!! I ve always been someone who wouldn t compromise on range but the SR+ is starting to be a very compelling vehicle that I think I could recommend to friends. Back when it was 240 miles (with the old heating system) I couldn t recommend it since winter range would be a disappointment and my friends would be disappointed. However now with the heat pump and range bump I think that SR+ is a viable only car all four seasons. Previously I could only recommend AWD Long Range and the price was is high enough that I wasn t comfortable recommending it since I think it s rude to recommend a car that so expensive . However I think I d now be comfortable recommending the SR+ which is a much more affordable price. I need to wait for real-world winter reviews but SR+ looks very compelling!! | My SR+ is absolutely AMAZING with 250 miles. It gets everything I need done. Obviously daily driving is no problem but I recently took it on a 800+ mile road trip and it was perfect. Sure maybe LR would have reduced the stops by one or two but that didn t matter to me. With the range boost it s no doubt a no brainier and a no compromise option. | Do we have confirmation on the heat pump with the SR+? I saw somewhere online that only the dual motor versions were getting the heat pump. Would be really disappointing if that were true. | 111 | 7 | 7,598 |
jctrxs | 275 | Wow! Model 3 SR+ is very tempting now with 263 miles and new interior!! I ve always been someone who wouldn t compromise on range but the SR+ is starting to be a very compelling vehicle that I think I could recommend to friends. Back when it was 240 miles (with the old heating system) I couldn t recommend it since winter range would be a disappointment and my friends would be disappointed. However now with the heat pump and range bump I think that SR+ is a viable only car all four seasons. Previously I could only recommend AWD Long Range and the price was is high enough that I wasn t comfortable recommending it since I think it s rude to recommend a car that so expensive . However I think I d now be comfortable recommending the SR+ which is a much more affordable price. I need to wait for real-world winter reviews but SR+ looks very compelling!! | My SR+ is absolutely AMAZING with 250 miles. It gets everything I need done. Obviously daily driving is no problem but I recently took it on a 800+ mile road trip and it was perfect. Sure maybe LR would have reduced the stops by one or two but that didn t matter to me. With the range boost it s no doubt a no brainier and a no compromise option. | What do you mean by “new interior”? | 111 | 8 | 7,599 |
jcv0u2 | 61 | Automatic Sync Dual Zone Climate Control I m not sure why this isn t already an option but the car could go Dual Zone when there is someone in the passenger seat and Sync mode when only the driver is in the car. It would be neat to see the temperature on the screen split into two when someone else gets in and jump back into one when they get out. I guess you d start both at the previous sync d temperature and use the driver s choice when joining again. | The AC UI is really bad right now. Why are the seat warmers and defrosters permanently on the dock but fan speed is always hidden behind a menu? Why can t we see the current temperature inside the car without looking at the phone app? There s no button to switch between hot or cold air. 72°? Is that going to be hot air or cold air? Who knows. It s different everyday. My last car had two dials one for fan speed and one for temperature which was cold-to-hot with a line in the middle so you can tell just by looking at it if it s cooling or heating. None of this confusing Fahrenheit crap. | You can split the ac into two zones in a 3 or Y what car do you have? | 34 | 3 | 7,600 |
jcv0u2 | 61 | Automatic Sync Dual Zone Climate Control I m not sure why this isn t already an option but the car could go Dual Zone when there is someone in the passenger seat and Sync mode when only the driver is in the car. It would be neat to see the temperature on the screen split into two when someone else gets in and jump back into one when they get out. I guess you d start both at the previous sync d temperature and use the driver s choice when joining again. | The AC UI is really bad right now. Why are the seat warmers and defrosters permanently on the dock but fan speed is always hidden behind a menu? Why can t we see the current temperature inside the car without looking at the phone app? There s no button to switch between hot or cold air. 72°? Is that going to be hot air or cold air? Who knows. It s different everyday. My last car had two dials one for fan speed and one for temperature which was cold-to-hot with a line in the middle so you can tell just by looking at it if it s cooling or heating. None of this confusing Fahrenheit crap. | Tesla should create a similar concept of shortcuts to their car. That way we can create scripts of automations like this and share it will the general public. | 34 | 6 | 7,601 |
jdglpq | 112 | FSD Sees School Speed Limits As Normal Speed Limits I ve noticed since 40.3 that the car is seeing school speed limit signs as hard speed limits. These signs have qualifications like posted hours on school days or when flashing . It would not be so bad except the speed limit does not revert on the End Reduced Speed Limit signs. There is a stretch of road near my house where it thinks the limit is 20mph along the entire road. Obviously I have to disengage the system there. As long as glitches like this continue I m thinking we need a way to override the speed limit setting perhaps limited by the speed limit in the map data. It could be something as simple as touching the speed limit icon to revert to the map data speed limit. | I have to imagine they are working on fixing the sign readings... Here in PA theres a stretch of highway that is 70MPH Speed limit but theres a 20MPH limit on trucks and it was constantly picking up the 20mph limit signs for trucks and pushing it to my car... I can only imagine they are working to fix this issue. | > I m thinking we need a way to override the speed limit setting That *is* the idea. Override + generate training data. | 42 | 4 | 7,602 |
jdglpq | 112 | FSD Sees School Speed Limits As Normal Speed Limits I ve noticed since 40.3 that the car is seeing school speed limit signs as hard speed limits. These signs have qualifications like posted hours on school days or when flashing . It would not be so bad except the speed limit does not revert on the End Reduced Speed Limit signs. There is a stretch of road near my house where it thinks the limit is 20mph along the entire road. Obviously I have to disengage the system there. As long as glitches like this continue I m thinking we need a way to override the speed limit setting perhaps limited by the speed limit in the map data. It could be something as simple as touching the speed limit icon to revert to the map data speed limit. | I have to imagine they are working on fixing the sign readings... Here in PA theres a stretch of highway that is 70MPH Speed limit but theres a 20MPH limit on trucks and it was constantly picking up the 20mph limit signs for trucks and pushing it to my car... I can only imagine they are working to fix this issue. | Great idea and I totally agree with allowing override. | 42 | 5 | 7,603 |
jekje7 | 186 | Explaining how the rewrite works vs how autopilot currently works based on Elon and Karpathy statements. Based on a comment from another [thread](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments jejill what_will_the_rewrite_be_able_to_do_when_the ): & #x200B I think the current pre-rewrite version was pretty naïve in the way it was implemented (hindsight is 2020). The way Elon has explained it imagine if you were driving but had some crazy combination of narcolepsy and short term memory loss. Every half-second you fall asleep and wake up to a completely new world. You can see everything around you and recognize road markings cars traffic signals and signs just like normal but you can t remember anything from the previous time you were awake. You take some small action that you decide on based only on what you can currently see then fall asleep again. Repeat forever while trying to drive. Imagine seeing a stop sign starting to slow down then the next time you wake up it s slightly occluded by glare or a bush so you stop slowing down. Next time you wake up you can see it again start slowing down again. Starts to sound like some experiences I ve had with autopilot... The new version incorporates memory and time into the above example. Each time you fall asleep you can quickly write down everything you saw last time with reasonable accuracy and compare that to the new information you re seeing (yes I realize writing things down this quickly by hand is unreasonable). Not only can you calculate a relative velocity for things you recognized both times but if you saw something last time that you don t see not you can try to use that information to correct things. Maybe you look here you last saw a stop sign and now you see a bush that has something vaguely octagonal that you can t see clearly in it. It s probably the stop sign. keep slowing down. Write yourself a note to check again next time. This doesn t require much more on the hardware side other than the ability to store information about the last few runs some (decreasing with staleness) confidence level about them and the ability to run a classifier on a suspected object from an old frame and accept it with a lower confidence output from the Neural Net. & #x200B This is just my rough understanding based on several Elon tweets and interviews a few Karpathy talks I ve seen and my own knowledge of computer science and machine vision (I only have a BS in computer science but I took some machine learning and machine vision classes in college). Let me know if you think I m completely off base or if you think I m missing something to improve the analogy | Right so there have been two pretty major developments in computer vision since the first version of AP was introduced - attention (it s all you need) and efficient recurrent neural networks. Specifically these two things combined into something called a Transformer Neural Network (specifically Bidirectional Transformers) have really throw the door wide open in terms of efficient real time time series applications. This really took off around 2016 when the first papers on hierarchical attention models were published. Prior to this the state of the art for computer vision was more or less segmentation and naively recurrent neural networks in various flavors - that is classify instances of objects in one frame at a time and then pass this information to a time series processing block which will do basic things like track occlusion and translation. With hierarchical attention we get a whole lot more relevant context - basically we can cluster features and learn a hierarchy which exists in both space and time. So for example we could understand that a basic stop light is actually a traffic signal which is three different signals and four different states (red green yellow broken) and we can also learn how the states evolve over time (eg we know that green always follows red). Or in another example we can call an intersection a hierarchical structure of traffic signals and road patterns - so if we see a certain sign we will know to look for other kinds of signs or road markings in the near future. This I strongly suspect is what the 4D re-write is doing. It s bringing AP into the modern era of the last 4 years (lmao) of state-of-the-art networks which Google Facebook and OpenAI all already deploy. | First you generate a lot of Input-Output pairs ie “when cameras and radar have been seeing this then you should say that in coordinate x y there is a lane line”. The output are based on video sequence from time T\\_0 to time T\\_end. From this a 4D point cloud is generated saying that a stop sign is at x y z and that a car is in in positions xyz at times t which will use to generate the output dataset. The input at training will be all sensor data from T\\_start\\_of\\_video up to time T\\_now and at inference from T\\_start\\_of\\_drive to T\\_now. Using a LSTM-style network some old memory will be forgotten over time while as new memories are gathered. | 46 | 5 | 7,604 |
jekje7 | 186 | Explaining how the rewrite works vs how autopilot currently works based on Elon and Karpathy statements. Based on a comment from another [thread](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments jejill what_will_the_rewrite_be_able_to_do_when_the ): & #x200B I think the current pre-rewrite version was pretty naïve in the way it was implemented (hindsight is 2020). The way Elon has explained it imagine if you were driving but had some crazy combination of narcolepsy and short term memory loss. Every half-second you fall asleep and wake up to a completely new world. You can see everything around you and recognize road markings cars traffic signals and signs just like normal but you can t remember anything from the previous time you were awake. You take some small action that you decide on based only on what you can currently see then fall asleep again. Repeat forever while trying to drive. Imagine seeing a stop sign starting to slow down then the next time you wake up it s slightly occluded by glare or a bush so you stop slowing down. Next time you wake up you can see it again start slowing down again. Starts to sound like some experiences I ve had with autopilot... The new version incorporates memory and time into the above example. Each time you fall asleep you can quickly write down everything you saw last time with reasonable accuracy and compare that to the new information you re seeing (yes I realize writing things down this quickly by hand is unreasonable). Not only can you calculate a relative velocity for things you recognized both times but if you saw something last time that you don t see not you can try to use that information to correct things. Maybe you look here you last saw a stop sign and now you see a bush that has something vaguely octagonal that you can t see clearly in it. It s probably the stop sign. keep slowing down. Write yourself a note to check again next time. This doesn t require much more on the hardware side other than the ability to store information about the last few runs some (decreasing with staleness) confidence level about them and the ability to run a classifier on a suspected object from an old frame and accept it with a lower confidence output from the Neural Net. & #x200B This is just my rough understanding based on several Elon tweets and interviews a few Karpathy talks I ve seen and my own knowledge of computer science and machine vision (I only have a BS in computer science but I took some machine learning and machine vision classes in college). Let me know if you think I m completely off base or if you think I m missing something to improve the analogy | Right so there have been two pretty major developments in computer vision since the first version of AP was introduced - attention (it s all you need) and efficient recurrent neural networks. Specifically these two things combined into something called a Transformer Neural Network (specifically Bidirectional Transformers) have really throw the door wide open in terms of efficient real time time series applications. This really took off around 2016 when the first papers on hierarchical attention models were published. Prior to this the state of the art for computer vision was more or less segmentation and naively recurrent neural networks in various flavors - that is classify instances of objects in one frame at a time and then pass this information to a time series processing block which will do basic things like track occlusion and translation. With hierarchical attention we get a whole lot more relevant context - basically we can cluster features and learn a hierarchy which exists in both space and time. So for example we could understand that a basic stop light is actually a traffic signal which is three different signals and four different states (red green yellow broken) and we can also learn how the states evolve over time (eg we know that green always follows red). Or in another example we can call an intersection a hierarchical structure of traffic signals and road patterns - so if we see a certain sign we will know to look for other kinds of signs or road markings in the near future. This I strongly suspect is what the 4D re-write is doing. It s bringing AP into the modern era of the last 4 years (lmao) of state-of-the-art networks which Google Facebook and OpenAI all already deploy. | Sounds like Momento. | 46 | 5 | 7,605 |
Subsets and Splits