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hw54au | 155 | Elon said on earnings call that a Compact Tesla is likely to happen I m surprised no one mentioned that when asked what new products Tesla had in the pipeline Elon mentioned a it d be reasonable to assume we ll build a compact vehicle. [https: youtu.be txA3-yhMGWA?t=919](https: youtu.be txA3-yhMGWA?t=919) I know many folks are hungry for something like a hot hatch. | Didn t Elon say many moons ago he wants Tesla s in the $20k range? A compact Tesla is the way to do it. Makes sense other manufacturers are leaving the car game and Tesla is there to fill a void with some awesome technology. | S 3 X Y T H 1 N G | 32 | 5 | 7,306 |
hw7csk | 174 | A transcription of everything Elon had to say about the FSD rewrite during the Q2 investor call This is what Elon had to say regarding the impact the FSD rewrite will have on functionality: *We re currently testing full self-driving software for intersections and city streets and narrow streets. So I personally test the latest alpha build of whole self-driving software when it when I drive my car and it is really I think profoundly better than people realize. Yeah really profoundly better. It s like amazing.* *It s almost getting to the point where I can go from my house to work with no interventions. Despite going through construction and widely varying situations. So this is why I am very confident about also driving functionality being complete by the end of this year because I m literally driving it.* Later this is what Elon had to say about the rewrite itself: *Well The actual major milestone that s happening right now is really transition of the autonomy system in our cars AI from thinking about things in terms of two and a half dimensions. Like they think it s best to take like isolated pictures and during image recognition on the pictures that are partially correlated in time but not very well. Transitioning to 4D where you know it s like video essentially you get thinking about the world in three dimensions and in the fourth dimension being time so that s the architectural change which has been underway for some time but it s not been rolled out to anyone in the production Fleet. Thus far is really just been with like 2D. Mostly 2D. So just it s just hard to convey. Just how much better the fully 4D system will work. It does work. It s capable of things that that if you re just looking at things as individual pictures as opposed to video...* *So They seem to have just like a giant Improvement. Probably roll it out later this year. But you know it ll be able to do traffic lights stops turns everything you know pretty much and then it will be a long march of nines essentially. So definitely way better than human but how much better is going to be? That that s actually going to be the real work. Is just a massive amount of work with each kind of order of magnitude of reliability.* *But you ll see it happen. And if you plot the points on the curve it ll be kind of obvious where it s headed.* | I mean it feels like he says this every couple of quarters really. | Literally my commute tries to kill me twice a day on the same road... not buying it Edit: Jeez can you guys fan boy Tesla any harder? | 41 | 8 | 7,307 |
hw7csk | 174 | A transcription of everything Elon had to say about the FSD rewrite during the Q2 investor call This is what Elon had to say regarding the impact the FSD rewrite will have on functionality: *We re currently testing full self-driving software for intersections and city streets and narrow streets. So I personally test the latest alpha build of whole self-driving software when it when I drive my car and it is really I think profoundly better than people realize. Yeah really profoundly better. It s like amazing.* *It s almost getting to the point where I can go from my house to work with no interventions. Despite going through construction and widely varying situations. So this is why I am very confident about also driving functionality being complete by the end of this year because I m literally driving it.* Later this is what Elon had to say about the rewrite itself: *Well The actual major milestone that s happening right now is really transition of the autonomy system in our cars AI from thinking about things in terms of two and a half dimensions. Like they think it s best to take like isolated pictures and during image recognition on the pictures that are partially correlated in time but not very well. Transitioning to 4D where you know it s like video essentially you get thinking about the world in three dimensions and in the fourth dimension being time so that s the architectural change which has been underway for some time but it s not been rolled out to anyone in the production Fleet. Thus far is really just been with like 2D. Mostly 2D. So just it s just hard to convey. Just how much better the fully 4D system will work. It does work. It s capable of things that that if you re just looking at things as individual pictures as opposed to video...* *So They seem to have just like a giant Improvement. Probably roll it out later this year. But you know it ll be able to do traffic lights stops turns everything you know pretty much and then it will be a long march of nines essentially. So definitely way better than human but how much better is going to be? That that s actually going to be the real work. Is just a massive amount of work with each kind of order of magnitude of reliability.* *But you ll see it happen. And if you plot the points on the curve it ll be kind of obvious where it s headed.* | I mean it feels like he says this every couple of quarters really. | The basics of FSD may be developed by the end of the year but significant refinement after that is still needed. This is not only relevant with the new features coming out but the old ones as well including automatic changing lanes on the highway or even smart summon. Automatic lane changes has been unrelaible to say the least and very aggressive even when on the lower change lane modes. Automatic off ramps changes are also unreliable because the car takes them on too fast in some cases. Smart Summon has its limitations and needs a larger summonable area. ( Reverse Summon.The car parking itself in a parking lot would be cool too) Automatic Traffic light controls needs a better implementation for flashing yellow or red lights as the car tries to stop at blinking yellow lights. In general the car still needs significant refinements until it truly is a FSD vehicle. The car is great and I know that eventually tesla will achieve its goal! | 41 | 10 | 7,308 |
hx0oae | 36 | Model 3 needs up to 25% more energy at the wallbox compared to what it reports according to ADAC (German AAA) test The ADAC compared real energy consumption of several electric cars at a 22kW wallbox to what the bordcomputer reports. The difference goes from roughly 10% for the Kia e-niro up to almost 25 for the Tesla M3 LR. Original article (german): https: presse.adac.de meldungen adac-ev technik ladeverlust.html Disclaimer: The ADAC naturally has a lot of ties to the german auto makers even if they say they re neutral. Pretty interesting read nevertheless. Any Idea why the charging losses might be so big? | Seems like there s some factor they re not controlling. Users who have monitored their 240V Wall Connectors have found about 95% efficiency: https: forums.tesla.com node 168051?no_cache=1595594256 Is it possible ADAC was running the heater in the car while conducting the test? The Model 3 has the capability to use shore power to run the heat (diverting a portion of the incoming AC to the HVAC). | I m wondering what wall charger they used. That seems like a big loss especially for level 2. I think the loss with the Tesla wall charger is way less than 25%. 25% is around the max loss you take when using the mobile connector with a regular 5-15 outlet. | 48 | 2 | 7,309 |
hx0oae | 36 | Model 3 needs up to 25% more energy at the wallbox compared to what it reports according to ADAC (German AAA) test The ADAC compared real energy consumption of several electric cars at a 22kW wallbox to what the bordcomputer reports. The difference goes from roughly 10% for the Kia e-niro up to almost 25 for the Tesla M3 LR. Original article (german): https: presse.adac.de meldungen adac-ev technik ladeverlust.html Disclaimer: The ADAC naturally has a lot of ties to the german auto makers even if they say they re neutral. Pretty interesting read nevertheless. Any Idea why the charging losses might be so big? | Seems like there s some factor they re not controlling. Users who have monitored their 240V Wall Connectors have found about 95% efficiency: https: forums.tesla.com node 168051?no_cache=1595594256 Is it possible ADAC was running the heater in the car while conducting the test? The Model 3 has the capability to use shore power to run the heat (diverting a portion of the incoming AC to the HVAC). | Why the disclaimer? The EPA naturally has a lot of ties to the American auto makers. We don t qualify their ratings when discussing European vehicles. Since they failed to take any real action against FCA on diesel maybe we should.. | 48 | 7 | 7,310 |
hxe0hf | 343 | UPDATE - Model Y let me down on the hottest day of the year... So about 10 days ago I posted about my [Model Y having a pretty major issue](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hrb0zs model_y_let_me_down_on_the_hottest_day_of_the_year ) and having to be towed to the Service Center. A lot of people messaged me (publicly and privately) and here s the update & resolution. Im writing this from memory over the last week so forgive me if On July 14th the car had - in Elon SpaceX speak - an anomaly. You can read about the issue in the link above. After some discussion with Roadside Assistance they made sure that I was someplace safe and first thing in the morning (at my request) they dispatched a flatbed to bring my car on a 3-hour ride to the closest Service Center. On July 15th the flatbed arrived. The car was dead and dark - the app would not connect the key card would not work. The doors were locked...wasnt looking very promising. After going over the issue with the driver he popped off the tow cover on the front bumper connected a jump box to a couple wires (which popped the frunk) and then connected the jump box to the 12v battery which began to bring some life back to the car. The doors unlocked and the screen turned on - but the car did not have enough power to enter tow mode - so a few slides had to be used to get her up on the wrecker. Later that afternoon the Service Center called to let me know they received the car and would start diagnostics in the morning. July 16th the Service Center reached out again to update that they had started the diagnostic process and would be reaching out with an update on the 17th. July 17th the update was pretty interesting. Diagnostics uncovered that the wiring harness connecting the Heat Pump and the 12v had shorted and also damaged part of the 12v battery housing. Both items needed to be ordered and replaced. Additionally as part of the process the trim around the driver s window was damaged and would be replaced as well. The order would be made and the parts would take 3-5 days to get shipped and then installed. Fast forward and the service was completed a day *early*. I drove out and picked up the car and drove home with no real issues. Ill be happy to answer any questions anyone has about my experience. tl dr - after hearing some horror stories I was very pleased with how communicative the Service Center was through the process. The car was repaired and picked up ahead of schedule. Happy with the resolution! | Glad this nightmare had a happy ending. | Fantastic. That s all you can ask for. | 89 | 46 | 7,311 |
hxe0hf | 343 | UPDATE - Model Y let me down on the hottest day of the year... So about 10 days ago I posted about my [Model Y having a pretty major issue](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hrb0zs model_y_let_me_down_on_the_hottest_day_of_the_year ) and having to be towed to the Service Center. A lot of people messaged me (publicly and privately) and here s the update & resolution. Im writing this from memory over the last week so forgive me if On July 14th the car had - in Elon SpaceX speak - an anomaly. You can read about the issue in the link above. After some discussion with Roadside Assistance they made sure that I was someplace safe and first thing in the morning (at my request) they dispatched a flatbed to bring my car on a 3-hour ride to the closest Service Center. On July 15th the flatbed arrived. The car was dead and dark - the app would not connect the key card would not work. The doors were locked...wasnt looking very promising. After going over the issue with the driver he popped off the tow cover on the front bumper connected a jump box to a couple wires (which popped the frunk) and then connected the jump box to the 12v battery which began to bring some life back to the car. The doors unlocked and the screen turned on - but the car did not have enough power to enter tow mode - so a few slides had to be used to get her up on the wrecker. Later that afternoon the Service Center called to let me know they received the car and would start diagnostics in the morning. July 16th the Service Center reached out again to update that they had started the diagnostic process and would be reaching out with an update on the 17th. July 17th the update was pretty interesting. Diagnostics uncovered that the wiring harness connecting the Heat Pump and the 12v had shorted and also damaged part of the 12v battery housing. Both items needed to be ordered and replaced. Additionally as part of the process the trim around the driver s window was damaged and would be replaced as well. The order would be made and the parts would take 3-5 days to get shipped and then installed. Fast forward and the service was completed a day *early*. I drove out and picked up the car and drove home with no real issues. Ill be happy to answer any questions anyone has about my experience. tl dr - after hearing some horror stories I was very pleased with how communicative the Service Center was through the process. The car was repaired and picked up ahead of schedule. Happy with the resolution! | What kind of loaner did you get? | Sorry you had to go through that but it s great to hear the service center experience was solid! | 39 | 9 | 7,312 |
hyhg62 | 714 | In June monthly sales of the Chinese Model 3 surpassed the Audi A4 Mercedes C-Class and E-Class for the first time **Premium Sedan Sales China: June 2020** (Source: [http: www.chooseauto.com.cn xlph car 307207.shtml](http: www.chooseauto.com.cn xlph car 307207.shtml) ) |Model|June 2020|YTD| |:-|:-|:-| |Audi A6\\*|16.300|73.412| |BMW 3-Series|15.910|66.787| |BMW 5-Series\\*|15.553|71.379| |**Tesla Model 3**|**14.954**|**43.744**| |Mercedes E-Class|13.801|69.463| |Mercedes C-Class|13.548|69.765| |Audi A4|10.013|50.496| |Volvo S90\\*|2.889|13.170| |Volvo S60\\*|2.142|9.489| |Jaguar XEL|978|4832| |Jaguar XFL|742|2539| \\* sales include PHEV-Version | There s not a single car on that list I d want over my 3 irrespective of price. | With that ratio it s on track to out sell all of them before the end of the year. | 93 | 22 | 7,313 |
hyiu8i | 108 | took the Y to LA there are not enough chargers there are not enough chargers in LA. many are located at hotels and parking fees are involved and the other difficulty of not staying at the hotel etc. we went to the heavily used charger at Culver City there are 14 chargers that are very slow they were all in use we had to wait for a spot .. we got it and it was super slow we charged and watched the line of cars waiting to charge at times 6 or 7 in the line...it is a shame that a city with so many teslas does not have more chargers it would be a deal breaker if we had to deal with this every time we need to charge | There is only 1 Supercharger in the City of LA and it is at a hotel. You have to pay valet fee plus supercharging fee. They definitely need more. | Firstly there are a shit load of people in LA. Secondly many don t have access to a charger at home. | 45 | 12 | 7,314 |
hyiu8i | 108 | took the Y to LA there are not enough chargers there are not enough chargers in LA. many are located at hotels and parking fees are involved and the other difficulty of not staying at the hotel etc. we went to the heavily used charger at Culver City there are 14 chargers that are very slow they were all in use we had to wait for a spot .. we got it and it was super slow we charged and watched the line of cars waiting to charge at times 6 or 7 in the line...it is a shame that a city with so many teslas does not have more chargers it would be a deal breaker if we had to deal with this every time we need to charge | There is only 1 Supercharger in the City of LA and it is at a hotel. You have to pay valet fee plus supercharging fee. They definitely need more. | The one in Burbank is generally less congested I ve never waited for a spot at it! | 45 | 16 | 7,315 |
hyzg5m | 44 | Model 3 Creaking Squeaking Front Suspension at 35K Miles My Model 3 is a year old and I ve got 35K miles on it. Over the weekend I noticed a creaking squeaking noise coming from the front driver side wheel area when driving at slow speeds (like in a driveway or parking lot). Also when I get in and out of the car. I can also get out and push down on the hood and replicate the sound so it seems like it s suspension related. Has anyone else ran into this problem? Does this require a service center stop or can mobile service team handle this? Just looking for any insight from anyone else who might have encountered the problem. Thanks in advance! | faulty controller arm - had the same sounds at slow speeds esp. on uneven pavement. SC replaced it under warranty - My understanding is that it is common and a defect. | Is it worse when turning the wheel at low speeds? That s what I had and turned out to be a torn bushing on the front control arm. A not unheard of problem. Service center needs maybe 4-6 hours to fix. | 38 | 8 | 7,316 |
hz0wrk | 104 | Advice on completely unacceptable service So my Model X was overheating and had a piece of the wheel well trim coming loose. I put in for an appointment through the app and had to wait 16 days for the appointment. Meanwhile the car can t be driven due to lack of AC. Dropped it off last Wednesday. No loaners as usual. Today after 6 days of no updates and as usual not being able to get anyone to pick up the phone I drove back to Tesla to see what s up. It is still sitting there untouched and they have no answer as to when it will even be ready. Still no loaner. Uber credits expire today and just shrugs and I m sorry. Asked for a service manager and was told he was in a meeting. I am sitting in the waiting room waiting. This is the Las Vegas service center. Does anyone think this is fair or reasonable for a $100K car I ve had 6 months and this is the second time it s been in for service? Any suggestions as to any recourse at all I have? | So after waiting a half hour to talk to the manager the resolution is they have a loaner for me tomorrow and the car fixed by end of week. I felt bad for him because they are 3 weeks behind on repairs and Elon and the gang just aren t being proactive enough with service. Selling a million cars a year and not adding more locations and service can only end badly. I told him honestly that if there was anything even close in competition I would have left already but that doesn t appear to be the case for the near future so I guess we all have to eat it and move on. | If your car is brand new and under warranty I believe you may have a lemon law complaint at day 30. If you re driving a used vehicle your options are less clear. I don t like to say it but if I were you I d engage an attorney that knows the applicable laws for your home state. Perhaps the answer is to demand they buy it back. If they do that though they typically will refuse to sell you another Tesla. If you do want another Tesla vehicle include that in your demand that they buy it back and put the proceeds toward whatever it is that you want. Also if this is the 2016 Model X you posted about previously I wish you luck. I ve heard the 2016 Model X s had several parts that came from suppliers Tesla no longer works with so parts availability may be a significant issue for them and for you. | 56 | 10 | 7,317 |
hz0wrk | 104 | Advice on completely unacceptable service So my Model X was overheating and had a piece of the wheel well trim coming loose. I put in for an appointment through the app and had to wait 16 days for the appointment. Meanwhile the car can t be driven due to lack of AC. Dropped it off last Wednesday. No loaners as usual. Today after 6 days of no updates and as usual not being able to get anyone to pick up the phone I drove back to Tesla to see what s up. It is still sitting there untouched and they have no answer as to when it will even be ready. Still no loaner. Uber credits expire today and just shrugs and I m sorry. Asked for a service manager and was told he was in a meeting. I am sitting in the waiting room waiting. This is the Las Vegas service center. Does anyone think this is fair or reasonable for a $100K car I ve had 6 months and this is the second time it s been in for service? Any suggestions as to any recourse at all I have? | tesla at its absolute worst (aside from elons twitter) | If your car is brand new and under warranty I believe you may have a lemon law complaint at day 30. If you re driving a used vehicle your options are less clear. I don t like to say it but if I were you I d engage an attorney that knows the applicable laws for your home state. Perhaps the answer is to demand they buy it back. If they do that though they typically will refuse to sell you another Tesla. If you do want another Tesla vehicle include that in your demand that they buy it back and put the proceeds toward whatever it is that you want. Also if this is the 2016 Model X you posted about previously I wish you luck. I ve heard the 2016 Model X s had several parts that came from suppliers Tesla no longer works with so parts availability may be a significant issue for them and for you. | 55 | 10 | 7,318 |
hz0wrk | 104 | Advice on completely unacceptable service So my Model X was overheating and had a piece of the wheel well trim coming loose. I put in for an appointment through the app and had to wait 16 days for the appointment. Meanwhile the car can t be driven due to lack of AC. Dropped it off last Wednesday. No loaners as usual. Today after 6 days of no updates and as usual not being able to get anyone to pick up the phone I drove back to Tesla to see what s up. It is still sitting there untouched and they have no answer as to when it will even be ready. Still no loaner. Uber credits expire today and just shrugs and I m sorry. Asked for a service manager and was told he was in a meeting. I am sitting in the waiting room waiting. This is the Las Vegas service center. Does anyone think this is fair or reasonable for a $100K car I ve had 6 months and this is the second time it s been in for service? Any suggestions as to any recourse at all I have? | My advice for people when they have a critical issue such as no ac in Nevada in July is always just bring it in. Don t bother with the ridiculous wait if the car is nonusable it needs to be fixed. I wouldn t mind if my random rattle took an extra day to fix for your ac. | If your car is brand new and under warranty I believe you may have a lemon law complaint at day 30. If you re driving a used vehicle your options are less clear. I don t like to say it but if I were you I d engage an attorney that knows the applicable laws for your home state. Perhaps the answer is to demand they buy it back. If they do that though they typically will refuse to sell you another Tesla. If you do want another Tesla vehicle include that in your demand that they buy it back and put the proceeds toward whatever it is that you want. Also if this is the 2016 Model X you posted about previously I wish you luck. I ve heard the 2016 Model X s had several parts that came from suppliers Tesla no longer works with so parts availability may be a significant issue for them and for you. | 36 | 10 | 7,319 |
hz0yhu | 50 | Why is Tesla support so slow? I love my long range model 3 the zero time I ve had to spend in service but as soon as something goes wrong and this is your only vehicle you re stuck with no vehicle for multiple weeks just waiting in line to get the car into the shop and awful support over the phone. How is this acceptable? | Because Elon doesn t prioritize it. Simply put he has no support issues so no one else does either. This has been one of Tesla s biggest problems from the features quality of life improvements to support. If Elon doesn t think it is an issue it is not an issue. He needs to realize that Tesla is past early adopter phase and needs to treat its product as one. | This is what happens when the CEO views his company as a means to an end and cares more about relocating humans to Mars. | 31 | 4 | 7,320 |
hzood5 | 137 | Tesla Factories: A Scale Comparison - Giga Texas Update [OC] **UPDATE (7 29 2020):** **Based on suggestions I have updated the** [**scale comparison**](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50164529672_00b417564c_k.jpg) **to include the entire Giga Nevada property arranged the factories in a straight line and removed the background image. Here s one** [**without construction borders**](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50164273011_6a7fc87abe_k.jpg)**.** [Giga Nevada property boundaries](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50165256281_2ca911d62d_k.jpg) were determined by my brother by searching Tesla on the [Storey County Property Inquiry](http: storeynv.devnetwedge.com ) website clicking on each parcel owned by Tesla clicking View Plat Map at right and then piecing all of the parcel maps together in Photoshop. **ORIGINAL POST (7 28 2020):** Tesla has officially chosen Austin Texas as the location for their next Gigafactory and it s going to be their biggest factory yet! Construction is already underway and they plan to complete a Model Y assembly line there by the end of the year. The factory will produce Tesla Semi Cybertruck Model 3 and Model Y. I created an updated high res [scale comparison](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50165165031_c94b721ff6_k.jpg) based on Tesla s [Giga Texas plans](https: electrek.co 2020 07 24 tesla-gigafactory-austin-ecological-paradise-open-public ) and updated [Giga Berlin plans](https: electrek.co 2020 07 02 tesla-changes-gigafactory-berlin-plans-removes-battery-production-test-track ). Here s one [without construction borders](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50165421652_717b6fe0d3_k.jpg). All satellite photos are representative of what each factory looked like as of July 2020 and have been adjusted for scale. Previous Updates: [May 2020](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments glnfcg tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison_may_2020 ) | [November 2019](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments dw1562 tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison_gigafactory_4 ) | [October 2019](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments dgighm tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison_ocupdate ) | [May 2019](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bn75e0 tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison ) | Everything is bigger in Texas | What does Tilburg do? | 45 | 2 | 7,321 |
hzood5 | 137 | Tesla Factories: A Scale Comparison - Giga Texas Update [OC] **UPDATE (7 29 2020):** **Based on suggestions I have updated the** [**scale comparison**](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50164529672_00b417564c_k.jpg) **to include the entire Giga Nevada property arranged the factories in a straight line and removed the background image. Here s one** [**without construction borders**](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50164273011_6a7fc87abe_k.jpg)**.** [Giga Nevada property boundaries](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50165256281_2ca911d62d_k.jpg) were determined by my brother by searching Tesla on the [Storey County Property Inquiry](http: storeynv.devnetwedge.com ) website clicking on each parcel owned by Tesla clicking View Plat Map at right and then piecing all of the parcel maps together in Photoshop. **ORIGINAL POST (7 28 2020):** Tesla has officially chosen Austin Texas as the location for their next Gigafactory and it s going to be their biggest factory yet! Construction is already underway and they plan to complete a Model Y assembly line there by the end of the year. The factory will produce Tesla Semi Cybertruck Model 3 and Model Y. I created an updated high res [scale comparison](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50165165031_c94b721ff6_k.jpg) based on Tesla s [Giga Texas plans](https: electrek.co 2020 07 24 tesla-gigafactory-austin-ecological-paradise-open-public ) and updated [Giga Berlin plans](https: electrek.co 2020 07 02 tesla-changes-gigafactory-berlin-plans-removes-battery-production-test-track ). Here s one [without construction borders](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50165421652_717b6fe0d3_k.jpg). All satellite photos are representative of what each factory looked like as of July 2020 and have been adjusted for scale. Previous Updates: [May 2020](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments glnfcg tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison_may_2020 ) | [November 2019](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments dw1562 tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison_gigafactory_4 ) | [October 2019](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments dgighm tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison_ocupdate ) | [May 2019](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bn75e0 tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison ) | Everything is bigger in Texas | Update with other buildings around the Tesla factory like seat manufacturing? | 45 | 4 | 7,322 |
hzood5 | 137 | Tesla Factories: A Scale Comparison - Giga Texas Update [OC] **UPDATE (7 29 2020):** **Based on suggestions I have updated the** [**scale comparison**](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50164529672_00b417564c_k.jpg) **to include the entire Giga Nevada property arranged the factories in a straight line and removed the background image. Here s one** [**without construction borders**](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50164273011_6a7fc87abe_k.jpg)**.** [Giga Nevada property boundaries](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50165256281_2ca911d62d_k.jpg) were determined by my brother by searching Tesla on the [Storey County Property Inquiry](http: storeynv.devnetwedge.com ) website clicking on each parcel owned by Tesla clicking View Plat Map at right and then piecing all of the parcel maps together in Photoshop. **ORIGINAL POST (7 28 2020):** Tesla has officially chosen Austin Texas as the location for their next Gigafactory and it s going to be their biggest factory yet! Construction is already underway and they plan to complete a Model Y assembly line there by the end of the year. The factory will produce Tesla Semi Cybertruck Model 3 and Model Y. I created an updated high res [scale comparison](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50165165031_c94b721ff6_k.jpg) based on Tesla s [Giga Texas plans](https: electrek.co 2020 07 24 tesla-gigafactory-austin-ecological-paradise-open-public ) and updated [Giga Berlin plans](https: electrek.co 2020 07 02 tesla-changes-gigafactory-berlin-plans-removes-battery-production-test-track ). Here s one [without construction borders](https: live.staticflickr.com 65535 50165421652_717b6fe0d3_k.jpg). All satellite photos are representative of what each factory looked like as of July 2020 and have been adjusted for scale. Previous Updates: [May 2020](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments glnfcg tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison_may_2020 ) | [November 2019](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments dw1562 tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison_gigafactory_4 ) | [October 2019](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments dgighm tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison_ocupdate ) | [May 2019](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bn75e0 tesla_factories_a_scale_comparison ) | Everything is bigger in Texas | If this IS actually to scale. Then I guess some thing ARE bigger in Texas. | 45 | 6 | 7,323 |
i0abct | 163 | Tesla really needs more loaner cars I have a scheduled service for my model 3 tomorrow and they keep telling me absolutely no loaner cars are available and they can only offer Uber credit. This is a horrible solution considering the state of Florida right now with the virus an Uber is probably the last place I d like to be for 30 minutes. | We would save Model S repairs for vacations. The Uber credits work almost anywhere in the world. We had a Europe trip where they gave us $500 in Uber credits and charged $250 for the repairs | Wish model 3 s had a follow me mode. I have two model 3 s and I could have one of them follow me to the service center then I would not need a loaner | 42 | 5 | 7,324 |
i0abct | 163 | Tesla really needs more loaner cars I have a scheduled service for my model 3 tomorrow and they keep telling me absolutely no loaner cars are available and they can only offer Uber credit. This is a horrible solution considering the state of Florida right now with the virus an Uber is probably the last place I d like to be for 30 minutes. | We would save Model S repairs for vacations. The Uber credits work almost anywhere in the world. We had a Europe trip where they gave us $500 in Uber credits and charged $250 for the repairs | I think I heard a guy at my local service center say they can t give out loners right now because of covid. Seems kinda backwards but what do I know. | 42 | 6 | 7,325 |
i0abct | 163 | Tesla really needs more loaner cars I have a scheduled service for my model 3 tomorrow and they keep telling me absolutely no loaner cars are available and they can only offer Uber credit. This is a horrible solution considering the state of Florida right now with the virus an Uber is probably the last place I d like to be for 30 minutes. | We would save Model S repairs for vacations. The Uber credits work almost anywhere in the world. We had a Europe trip where they gave us $500 in Uber credits and charged $250 for the repairs | In West Palm and always had a loaner available. I always schedule my appointments first thing in the morning so could be the reason why. | 42 | 9 | 7,326 |
i0mcdn | 78 | Cancelled my order for a new Model 3 SR+ and for a used LR AWD A new LR AWD was just out of my budget for a car even though I thought it met my needs a little more. Started looking online at used prices and saw several 2020 LR AWDs with less than 7K miles on them and they seemed to bridge the gap perfect for my budget at least. Got the exact color and wheel choice I wanted and got close to a $3500 discount from what the new price would be for a car that is basically new (only 6 months old). I was told I would have the car in 2-3 weeks and am already much farther in the paperwork on this car in 2 days than I was after a month of waiting for my new SR+ I will post an update with how everything goes and let you know if it was a mistake or not but if you re torn between LR AWD and SR+ I strongly suggest looking at the 2020 used LR AWD models. | I don t quite understand the apprehension from other commenters here. The LR AWD is a **major** step up from the SR+ in both range *and* performance. If a lightly used AWD (especially if it is directly from Tesla) is within your budget then the $3500 off is a great deal especially given that you re not having to compromise on wheel color. Congrats on the new car OP :) | I m not sure how I feel about this one. Like I think it s great you made the jump to LR AWD but a 3.5K discount on a half-year old car with 7K miles seems a little expensive. Especially for those that live in states like California where you get 2K off new < 60K MSRP EVs. I don t believe that kind of credit will apply to used EVs but I may be wrong and you may also not be in a state with that kind of incentive. I guess it depends on the condition of the vehicle what kind of damages are around the car and how much that person abused the battery car in general. If everything is in tip-top shape then saving 3.5K is solid on a car that will go 200K miles anyways. I d be more convinced if it was a 5K discount but that s just me. | 113 | 3 | 7,327 |
i1eg6d | 33 | Battle of the worst: auto wipers or auto high beams I can t decide which is the worst! My high beams are on when they should be off. My wipers are whipping back and forth for a light mist. These are two of the most disappointing features in my opinion. The AI needs some additional improvements. | Auto high beams. The wipers are soooo much better then they used to be. No improvements to the high beams until they start using the wide FOV camera IMO. | You should open a service request to address these issues. Both of those work with no issues for me. I was recently in a torrential downpour with no issues with the wipers. | 60 | 2 | 7,328 |
i1eg6d | 33 | Battle of the worst: auto wipers or auto high beams I can t decide which is the worst! My high beams are on when they should be off. My wipers are whipping back and forth for a light mist. These are two of the most disappointing features in my opinion. The AI needs some additional improvements. | Auto high beams. The wipers are soooo much better then they used to be. No improvements to the high beams until they start using the wide FOV camera IMO. | Just keep overriding it. You re providing valuable training data! | 60 | 20 | 7,329 |
i1eg6d | 33 | Battle of the worst: auto wipers or auto high beams I can t decide which is the worst! My high beams are on when they should be off. My wipers are whipping back and forth for a light mist. These are two of the most disappointing features in my opinion. The AI needs some additional improvements. | I ll take systems I have to babysit for $1000 Alex. | You should open a service request to address these issues. Both of those work with no issues for me. I was recently in a torrential downpour with no issues with the wipers. | 28 | 2 | 7,330 |
i27tvl | 369 | New Model Y day 1. Died in my parking lot . I am scheduled to pick up Monday it gets pushed to Wednesday vehicle is not here. Wednesday comes I show up and they tell me upon inspection they find the 12V battery not up to standard. They push pick up to Friday. Friday I pick up drive around and get an error that it might not start up. Call Tesla immediately since I am by the service center. They tell me to head home and do an update. I make it home update the car and now it won t start. They couldn t even get it into roadside mode. They drag the car off my lot ( a very violent show since car is locked up) and take it to service center that won t open until Monday. After hours of call the 12 V issue shows up again. And now I am getting conflicting stories from people saying they replaced etc. Summary after one whole week of waiting and wasting my time the give me a car that is completely dead and inoperable. I am wondering if this has happened to anyone? At this point I don t even know if I want this vehicle. I want them to change it out for a new one. What do you recommend? Update: The service center operation manager worked with our case and is getting a new build (new vin). I have a loaner model S with free supercharger miles until the new one comes in. Happy with the service. | > They drag the car off my lot ( a very violent show since car is locked up) Dragging the car should *not* have happened: 1. Use external 12V jump-leads on the tow-hook tabs (at the front) to pop open the frunk and access the 12V battery 2. Use external 12V jump-leads to jump-start the battery (and or keep trickle charged) 3. Engage tow-mode or use external power to start charging the main 400V pack and drive > get an error that it might not start up. The 12V battery (for whatever reason) is knackered and needs swapping. Note down the **serial number on the battery** and check that a swap has actually occurred. | Isn t there a consumer protection law allowing to return the car within two weeks of purchase? | 236 | 33 | 7,331 |
i27tvl | 369 | New Model Y day 1. Died in my parking lot . I am scheduled to pick up Monday it gets pushed to Wednesday vehicle is not here. Wednesday comes I show up and they tell me upon inspection they find the 12V battery not up to standard. They push pick up to Friday. Friday I pick up drive around and get an error that it might not start up. Call Tesla immediately since I am by the service center. They tell me to head home and do an update. I make it home update the car and now it won t start. They couldn t even get it into roadside mode. They drag the car off my lot ( a very violent show since car is locked up) and take it to service center that won t open until Monday. After hours of call the 12 V issue shows up again. And now I am getting conflicting stories from people saying they replaced etc. Summary after one whole week of waiting and wasting my time the give me a car that is completely dead and inoperable. I am wondering if this has happened to anyone? At this point I don t even know if I want this vehicle. I want them to change it out for a new one. What do you recommend? Update: The service center operation manager worked with our case and is getting a new build (new vin). I have a loaner model S with free supercharger miles until the new one comes in. Happy with the service. | > They drag the car off my lot ( a very violent show since car is locked up) Dragging the car should *not* have happened: 1. Use external 12V jump-leads on the tow-hook tabs (at the front) to pop open the frunk and access the 12V battery 2. Use external 12V jump-leads to jump-start the battery (and or keep trickle charged) 3. Engage tow-mode or use external power to start charging the main 400V pack and drive > get an error that it might not start up. The 12V battery (for whatever reason) is knackered and needs swapping. Note down the **serial number on the battery** and check that a swap has actually occurred. | Tesla doesn t do exchanges once you ve taken the car so unless they make a huge exception your only options now are to let Tesla fix it or return it and be unable to buy the same model and trim of car for a year. For anyone else reading if you are picking up a car and it s got issues like this don t accept the car. You may need to wait weeks for another but I think that s way better than the giant pain in the ass that is trying to get the car serviced now. | 236 | 114 | 7,332 |
i27tvl | 369 | New Model Y day 1. Died in my parking lot . I am scheduled to pick up Monday it gets pushed to Wednesday vehicle is not here. Wednesday comes I show up and they tell me upon inspection they find the 12V battery not up to standard. They push pick up to Friday. Friday I pick up drive around and get an error that it might not start up. Call Tesla immediately since I am by the service center. They tell me to head home and do an update. I make it home update the car and now it won t start. They couldn t even get it into roadside mode. They drag the car off my lot ( a very violent show since car is locked up) and take it to service center that won t open until Monday. After hours of call the 12 V issue shows up again. And now I am getting conflicting stories from people saying they replaced etc. Summary after one whole week of waiting and wasting my time the give me a car that is completely dead and inoperable. I am wondering if this has happened to anyone? At this point I don t even know if I want this vehicle. I want them to change it out for a new one. What do you recommend? Update: The service center operation manager worked with our case and is getting a new build (new vin). I have a loaner model S with free supercharger miles until the new one comes in. Happy with the service. | > They drag the car off my lot ( a very violent show since car is locked up) Dragging the car should *not* have happened: 1. Use external 12V jump-leads on the tow-hook tabs (at the front) to pop open the frunk and access the 12V battery 2. Use external 12V jump-leads to jump-start the battery (and or keep trickle charged) 3. Engage tow-mode or use external power to start charging the main 400V pack and drive > get an error that it might not start up. The 12V battery (for whatever reason) is knackered and needs swapping. Note down the **serial number on the battery** and check that a swap has actually occurred. | Thank you for sharing your experience. Tesla could definitely benefit from improving their quality control and customer service | 236 | 120 | 7,333 |
i2j71z | 250 | Model 3 Fact-Finding - Air Conditioning Power Draw Measured It doesn t get super hot where I live but recently it hit 30°C and I took some measurements of the HVAC system under various cooling scenarios using CAN bus and API data. Airflow was set to Face vent only and front seats only. Tests were with the car stopped in Hold mode but in gear (daytime running lights on) and facing towards the sun for maximum sunload on the driver intended to replicate a typical driving scenario but without the measurement instability that that incurs. I also performed a driving test which showed that driving doesn t significantly alter the amount of power the HVAC draws at least while using the AC component. In extreme deltas between cabin and ambient temperature the car body itself may still have a higher conductive effect when driving due to increased airflow over the glass. ##Baseline https: imgur.com mc09B52 The baseline power draw of Model 3 in this configuration with fans HVAC stopped was about 0.45 kW. The HV Battery measurements are the total power drawn from the high-voltage battery terminals while the DC-DC converter output represents only the draw of the 12V systems (computers lights fans). The compressor runs on high-voltage DC while the radiator and cabin fans are low-voltage. The DC conversion process is about 95% efficient and the 12V battery contribution is insignificant while the DC-DC converter is active. ##Test 1: Set Temp 20°C Re circulation Off https: imgur.com WRjNdBh Testing was preceded with a manual fan speed of 5 to ensure the starting cabin temperature was stable. Despite the set temperature being almost 10°C lower than the outside ambient air the air will still pass over the PTC cabin heater and some power will be used to dehumidify and correct the temperature to match the requested temp. This leads to the unexpected result that the system may draw more power in order to cool the cabin using a set temperature than to cool it using Lo. There s also correspondingly higher radiator RPM required to remove heat from the loop when the system is drawing in fresh hot air. The fan speed was cycled down from 10 to 1 at one minute intervals. Beginning at fan speed 10 showed a total peak draw of almost 7 kW and steady-state draw of 5-6 kW. All of the speeds had no problems maintaining the cabin at the 20°C set point and the lowest draw was observed at fan speeds 2 & 1 where total system draw was 1.2 kW. This was enough airflow to keep the cabin temperature sensor stable at the set temp but not enough airflow to be comfortable if you re facing the sun. At speed 6 which I d consider perfectly adequate for cooling the driver the total draw was about 2.5-3 kW (2-2.5 kW over baseline). ##Test 2: Set Temp 20°C Re circulation On https: imgur.com JcIhzYV The same test process except with cabin air re-circulation enabled. This allows already cooled cabin air to re-enter the system and reduces demand on the AC. Steady-state draw at fan speed 10 was only 3 kW and at speeds 8 and below it was under 2 kW. At a very reasonable fan speed of 6 the total draw was 1.5 kW at speeds 4 and under it was 1.0 kW or only 0.5 kW over the baseline. ##Test 3: Set Temp Lo Re circulation On https: imgur.com 3TfrtUh Setting the temp to Lo causes it to use an internal set point of 15°C but more importantly it seems to disable the PTC cabin heater entirely. There was no spiky behavior in power draw and the cabin was able to reach about 15.5°C internally despite the 30°C outside temperature and direct sunlight into the cabin. At speeds 6 and below the total draw was about 1.1 kW or only 0.6 kW over the baseline with HVAC off. Again all fan speeds were able to keep the cabin air temperature below 20°C with the amount of air flow being up to driver s preference ##Test 4: Auto https: imgur.com Z7TWNJe When set to Auto re circulation will usually be enabled unless the humidity gets too high. This test was preceded by an uncomfortable 7 minutes of no HVAC to let the cabin heat-soak up to about 28°C. Starting on Auto and Lo the car drew up to 5 kW initially and settled at around 2.5 kW and fan speed 9. The internal temperature only took 2 minutes to come down and actually undershot the low temp mark by a few degrees (explained by the evaporator s internal set point of around 2-5°C) so with the high airflow being maintained the cabin has no problems cooling down. Switching to Auto and 20°C the system quickly settled at fan speed 4 and 1.0 kW total system draw (0.5 kW over baseline). ##Test 5: Driving Outside 25°C Set Temp 20°C Auto https: imgur.com 00pSnwT It s hard to isolate the HVAC system power draw while driving due to the massive variance in power consumption by the motors but I attempted to by driving on the same stretch of highway at a fixed cruise control speed of 105 km h and ensured no cars were in front of me to provide drafting or slow me down. Runs were back to back about 15 minutes apart to ensure closest possible ambient temp and wind conditions. Fan speed was fixed at 5 on both tests. The massive swings in consumption are due to the elevation changes on the chosen stretch of road but the difference in average consumption over 2 minutes of driving with AC on and off worked out to be 0.51 kW the same as was seen with the stationary tests when re-circulation is enabled. | Thank you! Can you please provide a tldr for me? | Amazing graphs very informative. Thank you! | 60 | 4 | 7,334 |
i2j71z | 250 | Model 3 Fact-Finding - Air Conditioning Power Draw Measured It doesn t get super hot where I live but recently it hit 30°C and I took some measurements of the HVAC system under various cooling scenarios using CAN bus and API data. Airflow was set to Face vent only and front seats only. Tests were with the car stopped in Hold mode but in gear (daytime running lights on) and facing towards the sun for maximum sunload on the driver intended to replicate a typical driving scenario but without the measurement instability that that incurs. I also performed a driving test which showed that driving doesn t significantly alter the amount of power the HVAC draws at least while using the AC component. In extreme deltas between cabin and ambient temperature the car body itself may still have a higher conductive effect when driving due to increased airflow over the glass. ##Baseline https: imgur.com mc09B52 The baseline power draw of Model 3 in this configuration with fans HVAC stopped was about 0.45 kW. The HV Battery measurements are the total power drawn from the high-voltage battery terminals while the DC-DC converter output represents only the draw of the 12V systems (computers lights fans). The compressor runs on high-voltage DC while the radiator and cabin fans are low-voltage. The DC conversion process is about 95% efficient and the 12V battery contribution is insignificant while the DC-DC converter is active. ##Test 1: Set Temp 20°C Re circulation Off https: imgur.com WRjNdBh Testing was preceded with a manual fan speed of 5 to ensure the starting cabin temperature was stable. Despite the set temperature being almost 10°C lower than the outside ambient air the air will still pass over the PTC cabin heater and some power will be used to dehumidify and correct the temperature to match the requested temp. This leads to the unexpected result that the system may draw more power in order to cool the cabin using a set temperature than to cool it using Lo. There s also correspondingly higher radiator RPM required to remove heat from the loop when the system is drawing in fresh hot air. The fan speed was cycled down from 10 to 1 at one minute intervals. Beginning at fan speed 10 showed a total peak draw of almost 7 kW and steady-state draw of 5-6 kW. All of the speeds had no problems maintaining the cabin at the 20°C set point and the lowest draw was observed at fan speeds 2 & 1 where total system draw was 1.2 kW. This was enough airflow to keep the cabin temperature sensor stable at the set temp but not enough airflow to be comfortable if you re facing the sun. At speed 6 which I d consider perfectly adequate for cooling the driver the total draw was about 2.5-3 kW (2-2.5 kW over baseline). ##Test 2: Set Temp 20°C Re circulation On https: imgur.com JcIhzYV The same test process except with cabin air re-circulation enabled. This allows already cooled cabin air to re-enter the system and reduces demand on the AC. Steady-state draw at fan speed 10 was only 3 kW and at speeds 8 and below it was under 2 kW. At a very reasonable fan speed of 6 the total draw was 1.5 kW at speeds 4 and under it was 1.0 kW or only 0.5 kW over the baseline. ##Test 3: Set Temp Lo Re circulation On https: imgur.com 3TfrtUh Setting the temp to Lo causes it to use an internal set point of 15°C but more importantly it seems to disable the PTC cabin heater entirely. There was no spiky behavior in power draw and the cabin was able to reach about 15.5°C internally despite the 30°C outside temperature and direct sunlight into the cabin. At speeds 6 and below the total draw was about 1.1 kW or only 0.6 kW over the baseline with HVAC off. Again all fan speeds were able to keep the cabin air temperature below 20°C with the amount of air flow being up to driver s preference ##Test 4: Auto https: imgur.com Z7TWNJe When set to Auto re circulation will usually be enabled unless the humidity gets too high. This test was preceded by an uncomfortable 7 minutes of no HVAC to let the cabin heat-soak up to about 28°C. Starting on Auto and Lo the car drew up to 5 kW initially and settled at around 2.5 kW and fan speed 9. The internal temperature only took 2 minutes to come down and actually undershot the low temp mark by a few degrees (explained by the evaporator s internal set point of around 2-5°C) so with the high airflow being maintained the cabin has no problems cooling down. Switching to Auto and 20°C the system quickly settled at fan speed 4 and 1.0 kW total system draw (0.5 kW over baseline). ##Test 5: Driving Outside 25°C Set Temp 20°C Auto https: imgur.com 00pSnwT It s hard to isolate the HVAC system power draw while driving due to the massive variance in power consumption by the motors but I attempted to by driving on the same stretch of highway at a fixed cruise control speed of 105 km h and ensured no cars were in front of me to provide drafting or slow me down. Runs were back to back about 15 minutes apart to ensure closest possible ambient temp and wind conditions. Fan speed was fixed at 5 on both tests. The massive swings in consumption are due to the elevation changes on the chosen stretch of road but the difference in average consumption over 2 minutes of driving with AC on and off worked out to be 0.51 kW the same as was seen with the stationary tests when re-circulation is enabled. | Thank you! Can you please provide a tldr for me? | Love these posts thanks Wugz! | 60 | 6 | 7,335 |
i2j71z | 250 | Model 3 Fact-Finding - Air Conditioning Power Draw Measured It doesn t get super hot where I live but recently it hit 30°C and I took some measurements of the HVAC system under various cooling scenarios using CAN bus and API data. Airflow was set to Face vent only and front seats only. Tests were with the car stopped in Hold mode but in gear (daytime running lights on) and facing towards the sun for maximum sunload on the driver intended to replicate a typical driving scenario but without the measurement instability that that incurs. I also performed a driving test which showed that driving doesn t significantly alter the amount of power the HVAC draws at least while using the AC component. In extreme deltas between cabin and ambient temperature the car body itself may still have a higher conductive effect when driving due to increased airflow over the glass. ##Baseline https: imgur.com mc09B52 The baseline power draw of Model 3 in this configuration with fans HVAC stopped was about 0.45 kW. The HV Battery measurements are the total power drawn from the high-voltage battery terminals while the DC-DC converter output represents only the draw of the 12V systems (computers lights fans). The compressor runs on high-voltage DC while the radiator and cabin fans are low-voltage. The DC conversion process is about 95% efficient and the 12V battery contribution is insignificant while the DC-DC converter is active. ##Test 1: Set Temp 20°C Re circulation Off https: imgur.com WRjNdBh Testing was preceded with a manual fan speed of 5 to ensure the starting cabin temperature was stable. Despite the set temperature being almost 10°C lower than the outside ambient air the air will still pass over the PTC cabin heater and some power will be used to dehumidify and correct the temperature to match the requested temp. This leads to the unexpected result that the system may draw more power in order to cool the cabin using a set temperature than to cool it using Lo. There s also correspondingly higher radiator RPM required to remove heat from the loop when the system is drawing in fresh hot air. The fan speed was cycled down from 10 to 1 at one minute intervals. Beginning at fan speed 10 showed a total peak draw of almost 7 kW and steady-state draw of 5-6 kW. All of the speeds had no problems maintaining the cabin at the 20°C set point and the lowest draw was observed at fan speeds 2 & 1 where total system draw was 1.2 kW. This was enough airflow to keep the cabin temperature sensor stable at the set temp but not enough airflow to be comfortable if you re facing the sun. At speed 6 which I d consider perfectly adequate for cooling the driver the total draw was about 2.5-3 kW (2-2.5 kW over baseline). ##Test 2: Set Temp 20°C Re circulation On https: imgur.com JcIhzYV The same test process except with cabin air re-circulation enabled. This allows already cooled cabin air to re-enter the system and reduces demand on the AC. Steady-state draw at fan speed 10 was only 3 kW and at speeds 8 and below it was under 2 kW. At a very reasonable fan speed of 6 the total draw was 1.5 kW at speeds 4 and under it was 1.0 kW or only 0.5 kW over the baseline. ##Test 3: Set Temp Lo Re circulation On https: imgur.com 3TfrtUh Setting the temp to Lo causes it to use an internal set point of 15°C but more importantly it seems to disable the PTC cabin heater entirely. There was no spiky behavior in power draw and the cabin was able to reach about 15.5°C internally despite the 30°C outside temperature and direct sunlight into the cabin. At speeds 6 and below the total draw was about 1.1 kW or only 0.6 kW over the baseline with HVAC off. Again all fan speeds were able to keep the cabin air temperature below 20°C with the amount of air flow being up to driver s preference ##Test 4: Auto https: imgur.com Z7TWNJe When set to Auto re circulation will usually be enabled unless the humidity gets too high. This test was preceded by an uncomfortable 7 minutes of no HVAC to let the cabin heat-soak up to about 28°C. Starting on Auto and Lo the car drew up to 5 kW initially and settled at around 2.5 kW and fan speed 9. The internal temperature only took 2 minutes to come down and actually undershot the low temp mark by a few degrees (explained by the evaporator s internal set point of around 2-5°C) so with the high airflow being maintained the cabin has no problems cooling down. Switching to Auto and 20°C the system quickly settled at fan speed 4 and 1.0 kW total system draw (0.5 kW over baseline). ##Test 5: Driving Outside 25°C Set Temp 20°C Auto https: imgur.com 00pSnwT It s hard to isolate the HVAC system power draw while driving due to the massive variance in power consumption by the motors but I attempted to by driving on the same stretch of highway at a fixed cruise control speed of 105 km h and ensured no cars were in front of me to provide drafting or slow me down. Runs were back to back about 15 minutes apart to ensure closest possible ambient temp and wind conditions. Fan speed was fixed at 5 on both tests. The massive swings in consumption are due to the elevation changes on the chosen stretch of road but the difference in average consumption over 2 minutes of driving with AC on and off worked out to be 0.51 kW the same as was seen with the stationary tests when re-circulation is enabled. | Thank you! Can you please provide a tldr for me? | This is great Wugz! | 60 | 7 | 7,336 |
i3re6e | 60 | Service center says Climate control odors are not covered under limited warranty for model 3 Those of you who got the mildew AC smell covered under warranty how did you do it? What did you say to the service center? It is annoying that some service centers will cover this problem and other service centers expect you to pay for it. & #x200B I recently bought a used 2018 model 3. Drove it for the first few months when it started getting hotter where I live I began to blast the AC something I did not try to do when test driving the car (my mistake I know). But blasting the AC my god. It smells like mold dipped in vinegar and left to bake in the sun for years. I found other tesla owners with the same problem have varying degrees of success. I have read that some people bring their model 3 into the service center and they were able to successfully solve the problem and have it covered under warranty. & #x200B But others (like me) have been told that climate control odors are not covered under the warranty and had to either DIY solve the problem (buy air filters buy the AC cleaner open the panels spray the cleaner reinstall filters etc.) or simply pay out of pocket for the problem (service center quoted me roughly $110) & #x200B My understanding is that Tesla released a software update to help reduce the source of the mold smell - after parking and leaving your car the fan will turn on high for a while to remove any condensation or moisture left on the AC which causes the mold smell. & #x200B But apparently the cars that were affected before this update will still have the mold smell. & #x200B Since Tesla released a software update to fix the mold smell aren t they admitting that this problem is not due to user error and as such should be covered under warranty? I d rather not spend the money to DIY when I know this problem is not created due to user error. Any help? Edit: After sending another message that this is due to manufacturer defect Tesla should cover under warranty this is acknowledged by Tesla since they released a software update to fix etc. They just replied the same unfortunately this is not covered under warranty message. They told me parts and labor cost for cabin filters was $65. The total cost for parts and labor for disinfecting the AC and replacing cabin filters was $120. I asked if they could install 3rd party filters I bought to save me some money but they said they re unable to install 3rd party accessories. I would go through with paying for this repair out of pocket if that meant they could then warranty their work. Like if I pay them $120 now to remove the mold smell and the smell comes back in like a year or two I have to pay them another $120? I d be fine paying this amount if they could warranty it and offer free repair for any future mold smell. Edit 2: I called and spoke to someone at the service center. They told me that the mold smell has never been covered under warranty (!?). They then said that mold smell falls under cabin filter maintenance which is something the customer always pays for. I texted the service center and asked them if I pay for the repair and the smell comes back in a year or two would I have to pay them again? This was their response: It depends on when it returns. We ve seen majority of them don t return but there has been an occasion where after a year + it did and is responsible by the customer. If it were to return within a very short period we would have to present the detail to management for approval on covering the cost. Pretty frustrating I guess I ll just cancel my appointment and DIY. Anyone know easy tools to lift up and pop out the panels that hide the evaporator oils? | Tesla has a new thing where instead of fixing their design issues they just charge you for complaining about them There s a similiar disclaimer for creaks and rattles. What a joke. | MrRyanW hit the nail on the head. It s a pain in the ass that it s an issue but it s fairly easy to fix yourself. I did it twice before they released that software fix and since then I have had no mildew smell. I got rejected for it as under warranty and had to buy the Kool it and do it | 36 | 3 | 7,337 |
i3re6e | 60 | Service center says Climate control odors are not covered under limited warranty for model 3 Those of you who got the mildew AC smell covered under warranty how did you do it? What did you say to the service center? It is annoying that some service centers will cover this problem and other service centers expect you to pay for it. & #x200B I recently bought a used 2018 model 3. Drove it for the first few months when it started getting hotter where I live I began to blast the AC something I did not try to do when test driving the car (my mistake I know). But blasting the AC my god. It smells like mold dipped in vinegar and left to bake in the sun for years. I found other tesla owners with the same problem have varying degrees of success. I have read that some people bring their model 3 into the service center and they were able to successfully solve the problem and have it covered under warranty. & #x200B But others (like me) have been told that climate control odors are not covered under the warranty and had to either DIY solve the problem (buy air filters buy the AC cleaner open the panels spray the cleaner reinstall filters etc.) or simply pay out of pocket for the problem (service center quoted me roughly $110) & #x200B My understanding is that Tesla released a software update to help reduce the source of the mold smell - after parking and leaving your car the fan will turn on high for a while to remove any condensation or moisture left on the AC which causes the mold smell. & #x200B But apparently the cars that were affected before this update will still have the mold smell. & #x200B Since Tesla released a software update to fix the mold smell aren t they admitting that this problem is not due to user error and as such should be covered under warranty? I d rather not spend the money to DIY when I know this problem is not created due to user error. Any help? Edit: After sending another message that this is due to manufacturer defect Tesla should cover under warranty this is acknowledged by Tesla since they released a software update to fix etc. They just replied the same unfortunately this is not covered under warranty message. They told me parts and labor cost for cabin filters was $65. The total cost for parts and labor for disinfecting the AC and replacing cabin filters was $120. I asked if they could install 3rd party filters I bought to save me some money but they said they re unable to install 3rd party accessories. I would go through with paying for this repair out of pocket if that meant they could then warranty their work. Like if I pay them $120 now to remove the mold smell and the smell comes back in like a year or two I have to pay them another $120? I d be fine paying this amount if they could warranty it and offer free repair for any future mold smell. Edit 2: I called and spoke to someone at the service center. They told me that the mold smell has never been covered under warranty (!?). They then said that mold smell falls under cabin filter maintenance which is something the customer always pays for. I texted the service center and asked them if I pay for the repair and the smell comes back in a year or two would I have to pay them again? This was their response: It depends on when it returns. We ve seen majority of them don t return but there has been an occasion where after a year + it did and is responsible by the customer. If it were to return within a very short period we would have to present the detail to management for approval on covering the cost. Pretty frustrating I guess I ll just cancel my appointment and DIY. Anyone know easy tools to lift up and pop out the panels that hide the evaporator oils? | Tesla has a new thing where instead of fixing their design issues they just charge you for complaining about them There s a similiar disclaimer for creaks and rattles. What a joke. | I m scheduled to get this done a second time about one year after the first time which was about one year into owning our Model 3. Since I work from home and my wife rides her bike to work it is kept in a garage most of the day every day unless we re shuttling our teen around. I haven t been told whether this time it will be warranty or not but it s crazy that this will be a yearly service of the HVAC at this rate. | 36 | 5 | 7,338 |
i3re6e | 60 | Service center says Climate control odors are not covered under limited warranty for model 3 Those of you who got the mildew AC smell covered under warranty how did you do it? What did you say to the service center? It is annoying that some service centers will cover this problem and other service centers expect you to pay for it. & #x200B I recently bought a used 2018 model 3. Drove it for the first few months when it started getting hotter where I live I began to blast the AC something I did not try to do when test driving the car (my mistake I know). But blasting the AC my god. It smells like mold dipped in vinegar and left to bake in the sun for years. I found other tesla owners with the same problem have varying degrees of success. I have read that some people bring their model 3 into the service center and they were able to successfully solve the problem and have it covered under warranty. & #x200B But others (like me) have been told that climate control odors are not covered under the warranty and had to either DIY solve the problem (buy air filters buy the AC cleaner open the panels spray the cleaner reinstall filters etc.) or simply pay out of pocket for the problem (service center quoted me roughly $110) & #x200B My understanding is that Tesla released a software update to help reduce the source of the mold smell - after parking and leaving your car the fan will turn on high for a while to remove any condensation or moisture left on the AC which causes the mold smell. & #x200B But apparently the cars that were affected before this update will still have the mold smell. & #x200B Since Tesla released a software update to fix the mold smell aren t they admitting that this problem is not due to user error and as such should be covered under warranty? I d rather not spend the money to DIY when I know this problem is not created due to user error. Any help? Edit: After sending another message that this is due to manufacturer defect Tesla should cover under warranty this is acknowledged by Tesla since they released a software update to fix etc. They just replied the same unfortunately this is not covered under warranty message. They told me parts and labor cost for cabin filters was $65. The total cost for parts and labor for disinfecting the AC and replacing cabin filters was $120. I asked if they could install 3rd party filters I bought to save me some money but they said they re unable to install 3rd party accessories. I would go through with paying for this repair out of pocket if that meant they could then warranty their work. Like if I pay them $120 now to remove the mold smell and the smell comes back in like a year or two I have to pay them another $120? I d be fine paying this amount if they could warranty it and offer free repair for any future mold smell. Edit 2: I called and spoke to someone at the service center. They told me that the mold smell has never been covered under warranty (!?). They then said that mold smell falls under cabin filter maintenance which is something the customer always pays for. I texted the service center and asked them if I pay for the repair and the smell comes back in a year or two would I have to pay them again? This was their response: It depends on when it returns. We ve seen majority of them don t return but there has been an occasion where after a year + it did and is responsible by the customer. If it were to return within a very short period we would have to present the detail to management for approval on covering the cost. Pretty frustrating I guess I ll just cancel my appointment and DIY. Anyone know easy tools to lift up and pop out the panels that hide the evaporator oils? | Tesla has a new thing where instead of fixing their design issues they just charge you for complaining about them There s a similiar disclaimer for creaks and rattles. What a joke. | My friend just had this. Same issue. He pushed them and they eventually covered it from free. It s clearly a known issue. | 36 | 6 | 7,339 |
i3wstm | 93 | First Real Road Trip-Supercharger Headaches We ve been making a SF Bay Area-Hwy 80-Moab- Albuquerque trip Our Model 3 SR+ has done great unfortunately the Superchargers on the route have had some serious game breaking problems Winnemucca had a 3 hour wait for 4 chargers on a Saturday evening Gallup New Mexico has a total of 1 Charger working out of 4 with another 4 hour wait to use it Most of the rural chargers but on major highways had nowhere near enough chargers available (4) while some of the really off the beaten path chargers had 6 chargers or more Aside from the normal charging times we ended up spending an extra 8 hours out of a 20 hour drive waiting for charging. Is this usual or just a Southwestern US issue? There were also very few options for Charge Point especially in Albuquerque | This is why they should really start going dual port CSS on the North American cars in addition to the standard port. All manufacturers are going to it and networks will be built out for that port. Electrify America is just one and it s grown a lot. The Tesla network would still be a unique selling point and dedicated for Tesla s but it would give owners options as well | I drove from FL to WI and back and I saw like 5 unique Teslas total. | 57 | 4 | 7,340 |
i3wstm | 93 | First Real Road Trip-Supercharger Headaches We ve been making a SF Bay Area-Hwy 80-Moab- Albuquerque trip Our Model 3 SR+ has done great unfortunately the Superchargers on the route have had some serious game breaking problems Winnemucca had a 3 hour wait for 4 chargers on a Saturday evening Gallup New Mexico has a total of 1 Charger working out of 4 with another 4 hour wait to use it Most of the rural chargers but on major highways had nowhere near enough chargers available (4) while some of the really off the beaten path chargers had 6 chargers or more Aside from the normal charging times we ended up spending an extra 8 hours out of a 20 hour drive waiting for charging. Is this usual or just a Southwestern US issue? There were also very few options for Charge Point especially in Albuquerque | Part of the problem is that Tesla is making cars way faster than the supercharger network is expanding. I know that s not 100% their fault as there is planning and permits but it s still a huge pain point. Tesla now has enough cash that they could seriously expand the network and it would only help them in the long term. Of course other things like chargers that aren t working need to be replaced quickly. I just feel the whole supercharger team needs to expand a lot and soon or else it s going to get even worse for quite a while. | I just had some issues going up toward the Canadian border too. Tesla can t keep up fast enough. Mt. Shasta charger in particular was a nightmare. | 62 | 16 | 7,341 |
i3wstm | 93 | First Real Road Trip-Supercharger Headaches We ve been making a SF Bay Area-Hwy 80-Moab- Albuquerque trip Our Model 3 SR+ has done great unfortunately the Superchargers on the route have had some serious game breaking problems Winnemucca had a 3 hour wait for 4 chargers on a Saturday evening Gallup New Mexico has a total of 1 Charger working out of 4 with another 4 hour wait to use it Most of the rural chargers but on major highways had nowhere near enough chargers available (4) while some of the really off the beaten path chargers had 6 chargers or more Aside from the normal charging times we ended up spending an extra 8 hours out of a 20 hour drive waiting for charging. Is this usual or just a Southwestern US issue? There were also very few options for Charge Point especially in Albuquerque | This is why they should really start going dual port CSS on the North American cars in addition to the standard port. All manufacturers are going to it and networks will be built out for that port. Electrify America is just one and it s grown a lot. The Tesla network would still be a unique selling point and dedicated for Tesla s but it would give owners options as well | I moved down to Albuquerque from Northern California last year. It went off without a hitch. Your post makes me very concerned about my drive back. | 57 | 14 | 7,342 |
i3zwg6 | 398 | Sentry Mode notifications should be sent to my phone... It would be nice if sentry mode could at least send a notification to my phone when an event occurs. Ideally it d be great to view the event on the Tesla app. But until then a notification would be a nice feature to have. | Oh. Hell. No. I don t want 40 notifications that people walked by my car while it s parked in public. | A notification will get sent if the alarm trips sentry is more of the “someone got close but nothing happened”. If sentry notifications ever come I d expect the price for premium connectivity to go up | 73 | 8 | 7,343 |
i3zwg6 | 398 | Sentry Mode notifications should be sent to my phone... It would be nice if sentry mode could at least send a notification to my phone when an event occurs. Ideally it d be great to view the event on the Tesla app. But until then a notification would be a nice feature to have. | Oh. Hell. No. I don t want 40 notifications that people walked by my car while it s parked in public. | This would just make me paranoid. Alarm is fine I think. | 73 | 12 | 7,344 |
i3zwg6 | 398 | Sentry Mode notifications should be sent to my phone... It would be nice if sentry mode could at least send a notification to my phone when an event occurs. Ideally it d be great to view the event on the Tesla app. But until then a notification would be a nice feature to have. | So much Yes!! Would upvote this multiple times if possible | A notification will get sent if the alarm trips sentry is more of the “someone got close but nothing happened”. If sentry notifications ever come I d expect the price for premium connectivity to go up | 59 | 8 | 7,345 |
i478eg | 46 | Wanting to get Tesla Solar and Powerwalls but need advice I am building a new house in Northern California and I want to add tesla solar panels and powerwalls Because I don t know my average monthly bill cost yet I m not sure how much to order of each. If I put in $100 $150 $200 etc. then it comes up with very different estimates. My home is about 1300 ft.² and I live an hour above Sacramento. Any advice? | My only advice: Get a quote from Tesla but don t accept it. Take that quote elsewhere and ask one or two other solar companies for a competing quote. Then take that quote back to Tesla and they will match it just to be able to secure you. We did that and it saved us $6000 from the initial quote. | Alternatively you could go with a different solar installer. PowerWalls aren t exclusive to Tesla Solar. I got mine through Solar Optimum as they had a supply of them and unlike Tesla Solar still had SGIP credits available (more than offsetting their higher PW price). Since everything goes through the Tesla Gateway you still get it on your Tesla App even though the panels and inverters aren t Tesla s. Might want to ask your new neighbors about their power usage. | 55 | 4 | 7,346 |
i478eg | 46 | Wanting to get Tesla Solar and Powerwalls but need advice I am building a new house in Northern California and I want to add tesla solar panels and powerwalls Because I don t know my average monthly bill cost yet I m not sure how much to order of each. If I put in $100 $150 $200 etc. then it comes up with very different estimates. My home is about 1300 ft.² and I live an hour above Sacramento. Any advice? | My only advice: Get a quote from Tesla but don t accept it. Take that quote elsewhere and ask one or two other solar companies for a competing quote. Then take that quote back to Tesla and they will match it just to be able to secure you. We did that and it saved us $6000 from the initial quote. | You ve got net metering in California so I wouldn t worry *too* much about sizing the system just right. You ll be paid a wholesale electricity rate for kWh you produce over your consumption at the end of each year it s not amazing but it s something. The biggest factors in electricity bill are probably HVAC and EV (if you use an electric car daily). I m in Maryland and my home is about 1600 square feet and because we use a lot of electricity heating the home in the winter we re going for the 12.24 kWh Large system. If you just have AC or have natural gas for heating you ll probably use a lot less electricity. SMUD says the average home in Sacramento uses about 750 kWh per month. If that ends up being true for your home Tesla s Medium 8.16 kW system could produce about 120% of your electricity needs where the Small 4.08 kW system could produce about 60%. If you re already a Tesla owner you can use your own referral link. If not let me know if you need one. EDIT: And as another commenter pointed out it may be difficult to place an order through the website for new construction. You can give them a call at 877-571-7652 to get the ball rolling. | 55 | 5 | 7,347 |
i478eg | 46 | Wanting to get Tesla Solar and Powerwalls but need advice I am building a new house in Northern California and I want to add tesla solar panels and powerwalls Because I don t know my average monthly bill cost yet I m not sure how much to order of each. If I put in $100 $150 $200 etc. then it comes up with very different estimates. My home is about 1300 ft.² and I live an hour above Sacramento. Any advice? | My only advice: Get a quote from Tesla but don t accept it. Take that quote elsewhere and ask one or two other solar companies for a competing quote. Then take that quote back to Tesla and they will match it just to be able to secure you. We did that and it saved us $6000 from the initial quote. | Call their sales people and talk with them the site isn t built to help with new builds. | 55 | 6 | 7,348 |
i4tsov | 27 | I Turo d a Model S P100DL - My Experience After surely getting sick of me ranting and raving about Tesla s at nearly every chance I get my family surprised me with an awesome gift- the rental of a fully loaded P100D with FSD. The host was amazing as was the car and experience as a whole. This wasn t my first time driving a PxDL Tesla but I hadn t for anything longer than minutes till now. However I don t think it pushed me towards being a customer. (get your downvotes ready) my car background- I have an attachment to bmws that I can t help. I don t seek them out but they ve given me exactly what I wanted for the price I wanted twice in a row and seem to have my number this time around too. I used to own a 650i then sold it went car-less for a while and picked up a 328i which was meant to be somewhat temporary but has ended up serving me quite well save for missing some stuff I d like namely TACC and more power. A family member has an M3 (bmw not model 3) which I drive fairly frequently. I casually have my eyes on a used 90D to retrofit with ap3 the bmw m550 and the Mercedes e43 AMG. I view the 3 of them as being in the same general territory. I love Tesla and the idea of owning an electric car but I m not married to it. And I m very picky perhaps too picky for a Tesla at this time. The good: - It goes without saying at but its acceleration is sublime. It s literally heart-stopping and a joy to drive. There s nothing else like it. - Its overall road feel is also completely on point. The ride is just stiff enough to be fun but still comfortable. It handles in a way that lets you mostly (but not completely) forget about its size and weight. - I think it s the best-looking car on the road. I love its design. It hasn t changed much in around 8 years and yet it always has me turning my head. - The body style large hatchback is perfect. I wish more automakers embraced it. The only similar ones are the Audi A7 Porsche Panamera and discontinued BMW Gran Turismo. And none of them are executed as well as the Tesla when it comes to utilizing space. - So much cargo space. More than small and even mid-sized SUV s. - I love the regenerative braking. It s very easy to control one s speed both up and down. The okay: - I found the front seats to be pretty good. It s one of the rare ones that has ventilated seats and while they aren t the best they actually do do what they re supposed to which is whisk sweat off your back to prevent your shirt from sticking to them. But my family s opinions were mixed. Overall they re similar maybe a little lower in comfort to the ones found in 3-series C-Class A4 etc. Not at the level of higher-end premium seats. - Autosteer veered out of its lane several times. I don t feel too comfortable relying on it. I don t mind steering though but I find TACC critical. And it s very good in that regard. (But competing luxury sedans are pretty competitive here) - I don t want to diminish how exhilarating it is to drive but there s a limit to how much acceleration one can typically make use of. Like many of you I probably see during my daily commute I spend a decent chunk of time in stop and go traffic on the 101 and no amount of hp can put a dent in that. I drove the (BMW) M3 home after dropping it off so that both cars feels were fresh in my mind. The Tesla was noticeably quicker to around 30 but from 50-100 it s hard to feel a difference (or even get the opportunity) despite the bmw being objectively slower. Tesla in ludicrous+ bmw in sport+. - There s a notion that Tesla s are untouchable in a straight line which isn t far off but the likes of the Mercedes e63 and bmw m5 are competitive in price size and even raw speed numbers. I wish I had been able to try one of those back-to-back with the Tesla. The not so good: - The rear seats are terrible. There s no sugar coating it. They re essentially seat cushions bolted directly to the floor presumably because the battery is directly below them. They aren t even suitable for average sized adults on anything but short trips. Lack of bolsters makes things worse. - The cargo capacity is complete overkill yet the rear of the cabin is not as spacious as you d expect given the size of the car. Makes me wonder if they could ve somehow traded some the former for the latter. - No cup holders in the back. Nor side pockets on the door. Highly inconvenient. Was not fun for my rear passenger holding a cup of coffee getting flung around on the rear bench seats (my gunning the car certainly didn t help and for that I m to blame) - Despite the lack of engine noise the road noise on the highway is pretty high. We found ourselves yelling to carry a conversation. My BMW s sound damping is much better. It s also not very composed it shakes noticeably past around 80 and you can hear the body panels vibrating. Cars literally 5x cheaper wouldn t be expected to suffer from this. - I really missed being able to open the trunk by swiping my leg as is common on other sedans and suvs. Instead I had to fumble with the key fob with both hands full of groceries. - The traffic visualization is pretty cool. But it s not as effective as a 360 camera coupled with traditional blind spot monitoring. The owner of the car said he swiped one of the rims due to misjudging the width of the car. I understand some patent licensing issues prevent Tesla from adding a 360 camera view. It s too bad because the lack of it is conspicuous and a frequent complaint. - I find the infotainment system pretty nice. But the lack of responsiveness of the touch screen coupled with its position make it inconvenient and unsafe to use while driving. The steering wheel controls mostly get the job done. - I don t own a home. Having to use superchargers was frustrating. I live in the Bay Area but it was still a challenge to find say a supercharger with a nearby Starbucks to kill time. I don t think I could get used to this especially on road trips. Both my apartment building and workplace have chargers though. - The fit and finish is a tired complaint but I do think it s fair game along with the lack of convenience features considering that this car cost as much a decent house in some parts of the us. Other sport luxury cars in this class have better appointed interiors though I understand that s not that important for many. - Another common item for the wishlist - a HUD. Overall there were so many things I absolutely loved but there were also several things I couldn t forgive. What frustrates me is that Tesla accomplished incredible things and solved extremely tough unsolved problems along the way. Yet they didn t solve problems that have been solved by other automakers decades ago. Most of you won t agree with me and that s okay. The market has spoken and it says that the pros outweigh the cons to a huge amount of people. Overall for the money the right German ICE sedan seems to offer a similar level of performance and even technology with a lot more comfort so I haven t been weaned away from them yet. I m still definitely going to try a model 3 performance as it looks like even more fun for a weekend but I expect it to amplify many of my gripes. | Autopilot veered out of its lane? Are you sure it was engaged? I ve used autopilot for > 10k miles and I ve never had it leave the lane. | Pretty fair review. I am in the SF Bay area and usually hit up Starbucks for a 20 min caffination supercharge they are often together (walking distance). The rear seats have cup holders that extend from the back of the console. No door pockets is by design either you want the used Kleenex holders or you don t.Yeah rear seats are not plush. > the Mercedes e63 and bmw m5 are competitive in price size and even raw speed numbers. Makes me wonder if you actually even were in a P100D. E63 0-60 is at best 3.0 and 11.0 1 4 mile M5 0-60 is 2.8 and 10.8 if you can get the high octane gas. Both quick but back to back driving or side by side noticeably slower. Then there is the ICE lag which exacerbates the difference. | 66 | 3 | 7,349 |
i4tsov | 27 | I Turo d a Model S P100DL - My Experience After surely getting sick of me ranting and raving about Tesla s at nearly every chance I get my family surprised me with an awesome gift- the rental of a fully loaded P100D with FSD. The host was amazing as was the car and experience as a whole. This wasn t my first time driving a PxDL Tesla but I hadn t for anything longer than minutes till now. However I don t think it pushed me towards being a customer. (get your downvotes ready) my car background- I have an attachment to bmws that I can t help. I don t seek them out but they ve given me exactly what I wanted for the price I wanted twice in a row and seem to have my number this time around too. I used to own a 650i then sold it went car-less for a while and picked up a 328i which was meant to be somewhat temporary but has ended up serving me quite well save for missing some stuff I d like namely TACC and more power. A family member has an M3 (bmw not model 3) which I drive fairly frequently. I casually have my eyes on a used 90D to retrofit with ap3 the bmw m550 and the Mercedes e43 AMG. I view the 3 of them as being in the same general territory. I love Tesla and the idea of owning an electric car but I m not married to it. And I m very picky perhaps too picky for a Tesla at this time. The good: - It goes without saying at but its acceleration is sublime. It s literally heart-stopping and a joy to drive. There s nothing else like it. - Its overall road feel is also completely on point. The ride is just stiff enough to be fun but still comfortable. It handles in a way that lets you mostly (but not completely) forget about its size and weight. - I think it s the best-looking car on the road. I love its design. It hasn t changed much in around 8 years and yet it always has me turning my head. - The body style large hatchback is perfect. I wish more automakers embraced it. The only similar ones are the Audi A7 Porsche Panamera and discontinued BMW Gran Turismo. And none of them are executed as well as the Tesla when it comes to utilizing space. - So much cargo space. More than small and even mid-sized SUV s. - I love the regenerative braking. It s very easy to control one s speed both up and down. The okay: - I found the front seats to be pretty good. It s one of the rare ones that has ventilated seats and while they aren t the best they actually do do what they re supposed to which is whisk sweat off your back to prevent your shirt from sticking to them. But my family s opinions were mixed. Overall they re similar maybe a little lower in comfort to the ones found in 3-series C-Class A4 etc. Not at the level of higher-end premium seats. - Autosteer veered out of its lane several times. I don t feel too comfortable relying on it. I don t mind steering though but I find TACC critical. And it s very good in that regard. (But competing luxury sedans are pretty competitive here) - I don t want to diminish how exhilarating it is to drive but there s a limit to how much acceleration one can typically make use of. Like many of you I probably see during my daily commute I spend a decent chunk of time in stop and go traffic on the 101 and no amount of hp can put a dent in that. I drove the (BMW) M3 home after dropping it off so that both cars feels were fresh in my mind. The Tesla was noticeably quicker to around 30 but from 50-100 it s hard to feel a difference (or even get the opportunity) despite the bmw being objectively slower. Tesla in ludicrous+ bmw in sport+. - There s a notion that Tesla s are untouchable in a straight line which isn t far off but the likes of the Mercedes e63 and bmw m5 are competitive in price size and even raw speed numbers. I wish I had been able to try one of those back-to-back with the Tesla. The not so good: - The rear seats are terrible. There s no sugar coating it. They re essentially seat cushions bolted directly to the floor presumably because the battery is directly below them. They aren t even suitable for average sized adults on anything but short trips. Lack of bolsters makes things worse. - The cargo capacity is complete overkill yet the rear of the cabin is not as spacious as you d expect given the size of the car. Makes me wonder if they could ve somehow traded some the former for the latter. - No cup holders in the back. Nor side pockets on the door. Highly inconvenient. Was not fun for my rear passenger holding a cup of coffee getting flung around on the rear bench seats (my gunning the car certainly didn t help and for that I m to blame) - Despite the lack of engine noise the road noise on the highway is pretty high. We found ourselves yelling to carry a conversation. My BMW s sound damping is much better. It s also not very composed it shakes noticeably past around 80 and you can hear the body panels vibrating. Cars literally 5x cheaper wouldn t be expected to suffer from this. - I really missed being able to open the trunk by swiping my leg as is common on other sedans and suvs. Instead I had to fumble with the key fob with both hands full of groceries. - The traffic visualization is pretty cool. But it s not as effective as a 360 camera coupled with traditional blind spot monitoring. The owner of the car said he swiped one of the rims due to misjudging the width of the car. I understand some patent licensing issues prevent Tesla from adding a 360 camera view. It s too bad because the lack of it is conspicuous and a frequent complaint. - I find the infotainment system pretty nice. But the lack of responsiveness of the touch screen coupled with its position make it inconvenient and unsafe to use while driving. The steering wheel controls mostly get the job done. - I don t own a home. Having to use superchargers was frustrating. I live in the Bay Area but it was still a challenge to find say a supercharger with a nearby Starbucks to kill time. I don t think I could get used to this especially on road trips. Both my apartment building and workplace have chargers though. - The fit and finish is a tired complaint but I do think it s fair game along with the lack of convenience features considering that this car cost as much a decent house in some parts of the us. Other sport luxury cars in this class have better appointed interiors though I understand that s not that important for many. - Another common item for the wishlist - a HUD. Overall there were so many things I absolutely loved but there were also several things I couldn t forgive. What frustrates me is that Tesla accomplished incredible things and solved extremely tough unsolved problems along the way. Yet they didn t solve problems that have been solved by other automakers decades ago. Most of you won t agree with me and that s okay. The market has spoken and it says that the pros outweigh the cons to a huge amount of people. Overall for the money the right German ICE sedan seems to offer a similar level of performance and even technology with a lot more comfort so I haven t been weaned away from them yet. I m still definitely going to try a model 3 performance as it looks like even more fun for a weekend but I expect it to amplify many of my gripes. | Autopilot veered out of its lane? Are you sure it was engaged? I ve used autopilot for > 10k miles and I ve never had it leave the lane. | from 2017 onwards there should be cup holders in the rear - they stow away in the centre console... | 66 | 5 | 7,350 |
i4tsov | 27 | I Turo d a Model S P100DL - My Experience After surely getting sick of me ranting and raving about Tesla s at nearly every chance I get my family surprised me with an awesome gift- the rental of a fully loaded P100D with FSD. The host was amazing as was the car and experience as a whole. This wasn t my first time driving a PxDL Tesla but I hadn t for anything longer than minutes till now. However I don t think it pushed me towards being a customer. (get your downvotes ready) my car background- I have an attachment to bmws that I can t help. I don t seek them out but they ve given me exactly what I wanted for the price I wanted twice in a row and seem to have my number this time around too. I used to own a 650i then sold it went car-less for a while and picked up a 328i which was meant to be somewhat temporary but has ended up serving me quite well save for missing some stuff I d like namely TACC and more power. A family member has an M3 (bmw not model 3) which I drive fairly frequently. I casually have my eyes on a used 90D to retrofit with ap3 the bmw m550 and the Mercedes e43 AMG. I view the 3 of them as being in the same general territory. I love Tesla and the idea of owning an electric car but I m not married to it. And I m very picky perhaps too picky for a Tesla at this time. The good: - It goes without saying at but its acceleration is sublime. It s literally heart-stopping and a joy to drive. There s nothing else like it. - Its overall road feel is also completely on point. The ride is just stiff enough to be fun but still comfortable. It handles in a way that lets you mostly (but not completely) forget about its size and weight. - I think it s the best-looking car on the road. I love its design. It hasn t changed much in around 8 years and yet it always has me turning my head. - The body style large hatchback is perfect. I wish more automakers embraced it. The only similar ones are the Audi A7 Porsche Panamera and discontinued BMW Gran Turismo. And none of them are executed as well as the Tesla when it comes to utilizing space. - So much cargo space. More than small and even mid-sized SUV s. - I love the regenerative braking. It s very easy to control one s speed both up and down. The okay: - I found the front seats to be pretty good. It s one of the rare ones that has ventilated seats and while they aren t the best they actually do do what they re supposed to which is whisk sweat off your back to prevent your shirt from sticking to them. But my family s opinions were mixed. Overall they re similar maybe a little lower in comfort to the ones found in 3-series C-Class A4 etc. Not at the level of higher-end premium seats. - Autosteer veered out of its lane several times. I don t feel too comfortable relying on it. I don t mind steering though but I find TACC critical. And it s very good in that regard. (But competing luxury sedans are pretty competitive here) - I don t want to diminish how exhilarating it is to drive but there s a limit to how much acceleration one can typically make use of. Like many of you I probably see during my daily commute I spend a decent chunk of time in stop and go traffic on the 101 and no amount of hp can put a dent in that. I drove the (BMW) M3 home after dropping it off so that both cars feels were fresh in my mind. The Tesla was noticeably quicker to around 30 but from 50-100 it s hard to feel a difference (or even get the opportunity) despite the bmw being objectively slower. Tesla in ludicrous+ bmw in sport+. - There s a notion that Tesla s are untouchable in a straight line which isn t far off but the likes of the Mercedes e63 and bmw m5 are competitive in price size and even raw speed numbers. I wish I had been able to try one of those back-to-back with the Tesla. The not so good: - The rear seats are terrible. There s no sugar coating it. They re essentially seat cushions bolted directly to the floor presumably because the battery is directly below them. They aren t even suitable for average sized adults on anything but short trips. Lack of bolsters makes things worse. - The cargo capacity is complete overkill yet the rear of the cabin is not as spacious as you d expect given the size of the car. Makes me wonder if they could ve somehow traded some the former for the latter. - No cup holders in the back. Nor side pockets on the door. Highly inconvenient. Was not fun for my rear passenger holding a cup of coffee getting flung around on the rear bench seats (my gunning the car certainly didn t help and for that I m to blame) - Despite the lack of engine noise the road noise on the highway is pretty high. We found ourselves yelling to carry a conversation. My BMW s sound damping is much better. It s also not very composed it shakes noticeably past around 80 and you can hear the body panels vibrating. Cars literally 5x cheaper wouldn t be expected to suffer from this. - I really missed being able to open the trunk by swiping my leg as is common on other sedans and suvs. Instead I had to fumble with the key fob with both hands full of groceries. - The traffic visualization is pretty cool. But it s not as effective as a 360 camera coupled with traditional blind spot monitoring. The owner of the car said he swiped one of the rims due to misjudging the width of the car. I understand some patent licensing issues prevent Tesla from adding a 360 camera view. It s too bad because the lack of it is conspicuous and a frequent complaint. - I find the infotainment system pretty nice. But the lack of responsiveness of the touch screen coupled with its position make it inconvenient and unsafe to use while driving. The steering wheel controls mostly get the job done. - I don t own a home. Having to use superchargers was frustrating. I live in the Bay Area but it was still a challenge to find say a supercharger with a nearby Starbucks to kill time. I don t think I could get used to this especially on road trips. Both my apartment building and workplace have chargers though. - The fit and finish is a tired complaint but I do think it s fair game along with the lack of convenience features considering that this car cost as much a decent house in some parts of the us. Other sport luxury cars in this class have better appointed interiors though I understand that s not that important for many. - Another common item for the wishlist - a HUD. Overall there were so many things I absolutely loved but there were also several things I couldn t forgive. What frustrates me is that Tesla accomplished incredible things and solved extremely tough unsolved problems along the way. Yet they didn t solve problems that have been solved by other automakers decades ago. Most of you won t agree with me and that s okay. The market has spoken and it says that the pros outweigh the cons to a huge amount of people. Overall for the money the right German ICE sedan seems to offer a similar level of performance and even technology with a lot more comfort so I haven t been weaned away from them yet. I m still definitely going to try a model 3 performance as it looks like even more fun for a weekend but I expect it to amplify many of my gripes. | Autopilot veered out of its lane? Are you sure it was engaged? I ve used autopilot for > 10k miles and I ve never had it leave the lane. | Lots of fair points made here. I have a good amount of experience in both German cars and Teslas and there certainly are trade offs between the two. The AutoSteer (AS) veering out of lane one though is strange to me. I have not experienced any of that in the latest firmwares (at least for the past few months) so I m thinking the one you drove hasn t been updated in a while or you were trying to use AS on city streets (not where it s supposed to be used yet). The point about the front and rear seat comfort has been greatly improved in the Raven Model S upgrade (April 2019+ builds) so you should schedule a test drive with your local Tesla Center to check them out. Do note that newer S X no longer have ventilated front seats though (a shame really). Also Model S certainly have rear cupholders they re just hidden and pop out from the center console underneath the AC vents (unless you have a pretty old one). Honestly the main selling points of Tesla is the charging at home overnight (never going to the gas station and always waking up to ~300mi range) the instant torque speed tech features + constantly improving software updates and the convenience of AP FSD. If you re finding gripes with all of these categories then you honestly might be better off in a different car. | 66 | 11 | 7,351 |
i4utcz | 562 | How Cybertruck has already saved a life. I ve been meaning to share this story for a while now but am just now getting around to writing it up and posting it. It is a big long but I hope you enjoy it. This is my story about how the Cybertruck has already saved a life (or more accurately saved one almost immediately after it was revealed. The story starts a little over a year ago when we took delivery of our Model 3. I had been following Tesla for year and was 20th in line to reserve a Model 3 three years prior but circumstances prevented us from getting it when we first got our email. Well on April 1st 2019 we were finally able to justify the down payment with a new job and a long daily commute for taking the kids to school and we picked up our car. My wife while skeptical at the time thought it was a good choice just given the gas savings (we were spending > $400 month in gas). She wasn t so sure she would like the car especially given that she would be the one driving it 95% of the time. Well lo and behold she loved it. It didn t have as many technical issues that she thought it would have given the technology in it and she got to the point where she hated having to drive our other vehicle. The Model 3 just made her daily commute so much easier and she never had to deal with stopping for gas let alone doing it twice a week or more. Flash forward 3 months. My wife has been loving the car and has even been using it to do Uber Lyft to make some extra money. She didn t do this often as she has never liked being around strangers and gets bad anxiety but occasionally she would get in the mood to do some driving on the weekends or after dropping the kids off at school. Then summer hits..... My wife s anxiety and stranger issues stem from her PTSD. She was abused physically and mentally for 11 years as a child at the hands of her stepfather while her mother stood by and did nothing. Even married the man AFTER my wife finally got out of the house which didn t make things better. Normally I can help her through her episodes but this time she was visiting a friend in another state when the episode hit and it was a bad one. Long story short she ended up in a hospital and we had to fight the court to get her out. In the meantime she was pumped full of so much medicine that it completed f ed any mental control she had. They gave her stuff I told them not to that sent her into cluster seizures and something that gave her extremely vivid nightmares for months. Thankfully we got her out within a week and I was able to get her back home but she wasn t the same person. We visited some local hospitals and found a local therapy place to try and help her but she had fallen into an extremely deep depression. For months I worried that every day may be the last day she was here and I did everything to remind her of what she had and try and bring her back. Her doctor worked with us to play with some medicine to at least stabilize her mood swings which were uncontrollable the entire time but it wasn t a fast process and at least 3-4 times a week she would have terrible meltdowns. After about 4 months we were able to get her medicine mostly figured out while she continued to go to weekly therapy sessions and she was at least somewhat stable. She only had issues maybe once per week but was still in a very deep depression and I continued to worry every day that something could go wrong and I would lose her. November 21st 2019........ My wife as sleeping. She spent most of her time sleeping when I was home. That was her usual when she was in a depressions but it was better than the alternative sometimes. I had gotten the kids to bed and was playing some games while waiting for the Cybertruck reveal. My wife knew we were planning to get the truck even before the reveal but didn t really care. She knew a truck would be much more useful and would get us on all Tesla vehicles but she really wanted an x even though we couldn t afford it in the configuration we would need for traveling. I knew the truck was going to be a controversial design and sure enough when I saw it I wasn t super impressed. I thought the design was interesting but wasn t immediately something that I was drawn too. I thought it was neat but it wasn t something amazing. Nonetheless the next morning I decided to show my wife while we were lying in bed but not quite ready to get up. Cue the awakening..... When my wife saw the truck come out she was stunned she absolutely loved the design! I don t know why I don t think she knew why but she fell in love with the truck. She no longer wanted the X she wanted our next car to be the Cybertruck. She spent the next several hours watching and re-watching the reveal video and looking at every detail of the truck. Seeing how she reacted to it I realized an opportunity and went downstairs to put in our reservation for the truck. I printed out the email and showed it to her and she was ecstatic for the first time in 4 months. It was like the old her came back out for the first time. I told her she needed to help save for it and she jumped at the opportunity. She put together charts and motivational pictures and started driving for Uber again with our 3. She has completely changed since that moment she saw the truck and is back to her old self. She has been saving money so we can get the truck as soon as our name comes up and has has a complete turnaround form constant depression to excited giddiness since that day in November. She has been following everything that comes out about the truck has replaced her favorite hat with a Tesla hat and gets into excited conversations about the truck with other Tesla owners when we are charging (took a trip across country since the reveal). This past 9 months has been an amazing time for us as she s gotten back to her old self and she s been working hard to save as much as possible. We ve had some setbacks (corona our 3 getting totaled (just replaced with a y)) but still have saved up a good amount and vie since had a good pay increase so I am helping her by sending money every paycheck into the savings account. All I can say is Thank You Tesla . The Cybertruck probably saved my wife s life our family and my sanity. | Excuse me sir this is a Tesla Subreddit. Please get your onions outta here. | Great story though I have a really hard time relaxing it s already been 9 months since the reveal. Have you gotten charging figured out if it won t fit in a garage? | 50 | 6 | 7,352 |
i4utcz | 562 | How Cybertruck has already saved a life. I ve been meaning to share this story for a while now but am just now getting around to writing it up and posting it. It is a big long but I hope you enjoy it. This is my story about how the Cybertruck has already saved a life (or more accurately saved one almost immediately after it was revealed. The story starts a little over a year ago when we took delivery of our Model 3. I had been following Tesla for year and was 20th in line to reserve a Model 3 three years prior but circumstances prevented us from getting it when we first got our email. Well on April 1st 2019 we were finally able to justify the down payment with a new job and a long daily commute for taking the kids to school and we picked up our car. My wife while skeptical at the time thought it was a good choice just given the gas savings (we were spending > $400 month in gas). She wasn t so sure she would like the car especially given that she would be the one driving it 95% of the time. Well lo and behold she loved it. It didn t have as many technical issues that she thought it would have given the technology in it and she got to the point where she hated having to drive our other vehicle. The Model 3 just made her daily commute so much easier and she never had to deal with stopping for gas let alone doing it twice a week or more. Flash forward 3 months. My wife has been loving the car and has even been using it to do Uber Lyft to make some extra money. She didn t do this often as she has never liked being around strangers and gets bad anxiety but occasionally she would get in the mood to do some driving on the weekends or after dropping the kids off at school. Then summer hits..... My wife s anxiety and stranger issues stem from her PTSD. She was abused physically and mentally for 11 years as a child at the hands of her stepfather while her mother stood by and did nothing. Even married the man AFTER my wife finally got out of the house which didn t make things better. Normally I can help her through her episodes but this time she was visiting a friend in another state when the episode hit and it was a bad one. Long story short she ended up in a hospital and we had to fight the court to get her out. In the meantime she was pumped full of so much medicine that it completed f ed any mental control she had. They gave her stuff I told them not to that sent her into cluster seizures and something that gave her extremely vivid nightmares for months. Thankfully we got her out within a week and I was able to get her back home but she wasn t the same person. We visited some local hospitals and found a local therapy place to try and help her but she had fallen into an extremely deep depression. For months I worried that every day may be the last day she was here and I did everything to remind her of what she had and try and bring her back. Her doctor worked with us to play with some medicine to at least stabilize her mood swings which were uncontrollable the entire time but it wasn t a fast process and at least 3-4 times a week she would have terrible meltdowns. After about 4 months we were able to get her medicine mostly figured out while she continued to go to weekly therapy sessions and she was at least somewhat stable. She only had issues maybe once per week but was still in a very deep depression and I continued to worry every day that something could go wrong and I would lose her. November 21st 2019........ My wife as sleeping. She spent most of her time sleeping when I was home. That was her usual when she was in a depressions but it was better than the alternative sometimes. I had gotten the kids to bed and was playing some games while waiting for the Cybertruck reveal. My wife knew we were planning to get the truck even before the reveal but didn t really care. She knew a truck would be much more useful and would get us on all Tesla vehicles but she really wanted an x even though we couldn t afford it in the configuration we would need for traveling. I knew the truck was going to be a controversial design and sure enough when I saw it I wasn t super impressed. I thought the design was interesting but wasn t immediately something that I was drawn too. I thought it was neat but it wasn t something amazing. Nonetheless the next morning I decided to show my wife while we were lying in bed but not quite ready to get up. Cue the awakening..... When my wife saw the truck come out she was stunned she absolutely loved the design! I don t know why I don t think she knew why but she fell in love with the truck. She no longer wanted the X she wanted our next car to be the Cybertruck. She spent the next several hours watching and re-watching the reveal video and looking at every detail of the truck. Seeing how she reacted to it I realized an opportunity and went downstairs to put in our reservation for the truck. I printed out the email and showed it to her and she was ecstatic for the first time in 4 months. It was like the old her came back out for the first time. I told her she needed to help save for it and she jumped at the opportunity. She put together charts and motivational pictures and started driving for Uber again with our 3. She has completely changed since that moment she saw the truck and is back to her old self. She has been saving money so we can get the truck as soon as our name comes up and has has a complete turnaround form constant depression to excited giddiness since that day in November. She has been following everything that comes out about the truck has replaced her favorite hat with a Tesla hat and gets into excited conversations about the truck with other Tesla owners when we are charging (took a trip across country since the reveal). This past 9 months has been an amazing time for us as she s gotten back to her old self and she s been working hard to save as much as possible. We ve had some setbacks (corona our 3 getting totaled (just replaced with a y)) but still have saved up a good amount and vie since had a good pay increase so I am helping her by sending money every paycheck into the savings account. All I can say is Thank You Tesla . The Cybertruck probably saved my wife s life our family and my sanity. | Excuse me sir this is a Tesla Subreddit. Please get your onions outta here. | Having goals is important. Your wife will be silently rocking it driving down the street in that beast of a truck. | 50 | 19 | 7,353 |
i4ytm2 | 37 | Tesla Model Y RWD Delivery Text Update I just got a text from Tesla saying my Model Y RWD would be ready in 5-8 weeks. It also said I could get a different model sooner. So I don t know if its true that it ll be ready in 5-8 weeks or if they are just trying to get me to buy an AWD. My Model Y Reservation is White and the rear bumper mismatch color really bugs me. I was tracking it when it was a problem with the 3 and I hope it gets resolved. My reservation is still the $2 500 one right before the hiked FSD from $6 000 to $7 000. Based on the price reduction and if the RWD gets priced at $45k it should come out to nearly the same price with FSD at $8k if I just cancel it and change the color. Just waiting on hard numbers before canceling my $2 500 reservation. I really wanted a white Y to go with my black 3. Update: just got another text saying it was an error. | Update: just got another text saying it was an error. | How did you already order a RWD Y? | 36 | 2 | 7,354 |
i4ytm2 | 37 | Tesla Model Y RWD Delivery Text Update I just got a text from Tesla saying my Model Y RWD would be ready in 5-8 weeks. It also said I could get a different model sooner. So I don t know if its true that it ll be ready in 5-8 weeks or if they are just trying to get me to buy an AWD. My Model Y Reservation is White and the rear bumper mismatch color really bugs me. I was tracking it when it was a problem with the 3 and I hope it gets resolved. My reservation is still the $2 500 one right before the hiked FSD from $6 000 to $7 000. Based on the price reduction and if the RWD gets priced at $45k it should come out to nearly the same price with FSD at $8k if I just cancel it and change the color. Just waiting on hard numbers before canceling my $2 500 reservation. I really wanted a white Y to go with my black 3. Update: just got another text saying it was an error. | Update: just got another text saying it was an error. | I got the same text regarding my AWD Model Y order. I m bummed when I ordered it a month ago it was estimating 4-8 weeks so I was expecting to get a delivery notification soon. :-( | 36 | 2 | 7,355 |
i4ytm2 | 37 | Tesla Model Y RWD Delivery Text Update I just got a text from Tesla saying my Model Y RWD would be ready in 5-8 weeks. It also said I could get a different model sooner. So I don t know if its true that it ll be ready in 5-8 weeks or if they are just trying to get me to buy an AWD. My Model Y Reservation is White and the rear bumper mismatch color really bugs me. I was tracking it when it was a problem with the 3 and I hope it gets resolved. My reservation is still the $2 500 one right before the hiked FSD from $6 000 to $7 000. Based on the price reduction and if the RWD gets priced at $45k it should come out to nearly the same price with FSD at $8k if I just cancel it and change the color. Just waiting on hard numbers before canceling my $2 500 reservation. I really wanted a white Y to go with my black 3. Update: just got another text saying it was an error. | Update: just got another text saying it was an error. | Just got the same message for my X order. | 36 | 5 | 7,356 |
i50ofu | 238 | TIL: Touch and hold the time clock for 5-10 seconds to recalibrate. After updating my model 3 to 2020.28.6 my clock was an hour and a few minutes off strangely. I noticed that by pressing and holding on the time for a few seconds it adjusted to the correct time. Maybe this is already well known but thought I d share! | Holy shit I love you. I ve been on the wrong time zone for a week now and it kept screwing with my head. | Sweet good tip to know. Never noticed my time being off | 37 | 2 | 7,357 |
i50ofu | 238 | TIL: Touch and hold the time clock for 5-10 seconds to recalibrate. After updating my model 3 to 2020.28.6 my clock was an hour and a few minutes off strangely. I noticed that by pressing and holding on the time for a few seconds it adjusted to the correct time. Maybe this is already well known but thought I d share! | Holy shit I love you. I ve been on the wrong time zone for a week now and it kept screwing with my head. | Thanks for the tip! | 37 | 3 | 7,358 |
i50ofu | 238 | TIL: Touch and hold the time clock for 5-10 seconds to recalibrate. After updating my model 3 to 2020.28.6 my clock was an hour and a few minutes off strangely. I noticed that by pressing and holding on the time for a few seconds it adjusted to the correct time. Maybe this is already well known but thought I d share! | Holy shit I love you. I ve been on the wrong time zone for a week now and it kept screwing with my head. | How long was the clock incorrect before you tried this? The clock should update periodically when it gets a time from a cell tower. | 37 | 5 | 7,359 |
i6xai8 | 33 | Using only 110V 20A for coming winter Hi guys I am fucked by having my panel box in the basement so the only available power outlet is my 110v 20A in the garage. I live in Iowa it is like 0\\~10F in winter. Do I need to worry that the 20A can only use to heat the battery and I could get 0mile per hour every day? | Don t discount that an enclosed garage means no wind and that the car will remain several degrees warmer than the ambient air on cold days. If you re looking to save energy and maximize your daily driveable range your best strategy will be to charge as soon as you get home when the battery s still somewhat warm from driving and you don t need to expend power heating it first but keep in mind you ll have next to no regen for most of your drive. If you want consistent regen you ll want your charge to finish right before departing (consider using scheduled departure). I can speak with some experience about Model 3 s cold weather behavior as I ve watched my own car closely over the past two winters. Not necessarily the same for S X Y but here s what I ve observed: * If the car s charging at 120 V it ll only pull what it can from the wall to heat the battery. This means 12 or 16 A in your situation. If you had L2 charging (240V 32A) or greater it ll pull up to 7 kW to heat the battery and the rest will be used to charge the battery simultaneously * If the battery s below -4°C the car will not put any power into charging only into heating the battery * In between -4 and 12°C the car will increasingly raise the amount of power used for charging but will still prioritize heating the battery first (on L2 may be different on 120V) * Battery heating stops when the car reaches > 12°C on L2 or when charging is done whichever is reached first * If the car s plugged in and already charged and you precondition the cabin it ll pull whatever it can from the wall and from the battery (up to 7 kW combined) to heat the battery until your state of charge drops 1-2% below the set limit then it ll stop heating the battery and only pull power from the wall to top up the charge before continuing to heat * If the car is not plugged in and you precondition the cabin it ll also pull 7 kW from the battery to heat the battery without regard for current state of charge except if you set climate to Lo * The cutoff point for heating the battery while preconditioning is higher (> 20°C) assuming the prerequisites are met (nobody in the car SoC matches set charge limit battery under ~20°C). The moment you open your door or sit in the car the battery heating will stop unless you re still charging and it s still below the 10°C cutoff for charging At 240V 32A I was able to utilize the full 7 kW of battery heat and through monitoring the CAN bus data the battery ends up heating about 10°C every 15 minutes after an initial few minutes getting the stators and coolant up to temperature. [Here s a plot of On-route battery warmup](https: imgur.com uTXLaIi) which is the same heating mechanism just with an even higher cutoff (> 30°C). For the LR pack the energy cost to heat the pack from 0°F (-18°C) to where the heater stops at 54°F (12°C) is about 5.75 kWh (45 minutes at 240V 32A) so worst case scenario assuming you drive daily and use scheduled departure you could be spending an additional 20-25 miles worth of energy (requiring an additional 3-4 hours charging to recoup) to have a warm-ish battery each morning not including cabin preconditioning. [Here s an old plot](https: i.imgur.com 7wuvFyK.png) of about 2 hours of 120V charging. The outside temp (inside of my garage) stayed around 2°C while the battery started at 11°C due to prior driving. The battery heater (stators) pulled ~1.5 kW from the wall for 45 minutes to bring the battery to 13-14°C then the battery charged for 1 hour before needing heating again for 6 minutes. At 120V 12A I would expect this 10:1 charging heating ratio to last as long as the ambient temp stays constant around freezing. Laws of thermodynamics suggest it ll require twice as much heating when the outside temperature delta is 2x so even at -10°C (14°F) I would expect a pattern of charging for 50 minutes and heating for 10. More heating time would be required if it s windy or colder and a longer initial heat-up is also expected unless you recharge right after driving. | Basically the 20a outlet only charging at 120v isn t going to be too helpful in winter. How far in linear feet is it from the breaker to the outlet you currently have and are using? Burrowing through a single wall to pass conduit and wire isn t a big deal... But it depends on how far and how many walls or other obstructions there are. Suppose this could be moot unless you ve got spare capacity in your panel in which case converting it from a 5-20 (120v20a) (7mph) to a 6-20 (240v20a) (14-15mph) | 66 | 5 | 7,360 |
i6xai8 | 33 | Using only 110V 20A for coming winter Hi guys I am fucked by having my panel box in the basement so the only available power outlet is my 110v 20A in the garage. I live in Iowa it is like 0\\~10F in winter. Do I need to worry that the 20A can only use to heat the battery and I could get 0mile per hour every day? | Don t discount that an enclosed garage means no wind and that the car will remain several degrees warmer than the ambient air on cold days. If you re looking to save energy and maximize your daily driveable range your best strategy will be to charge as soon as you get home when the battery s still somewhat warm from driving and you don t need to expend power heating it first but keep in mind you ll have next to no regen for most of your drive. If you want consistent regen you ll want your charge to finish right before departing (consider using scheduled departure). I can speak with some experience about Model 3 s cold weather behavior as I ve watched my own car closely over the past two winters. Not necessarily the same for S X Y but here s what I ve observed: * If the car s charging at 120 V it ll only pull what it can from the wall to heat the battery. This means 12 or 16 A in your situation. If you had L2 charging (240V 32A) or greater it ll pull up to 7 kW to heat the battery and the rest will be used to charge the battery simultaneously * If the battery s below -4°C the car will not put any power into charging only into heating the battery * In between -4 and 12°C the car will increasingly raise the amount of power used for charging but will still prioritize heating the battery first (on L2 may be different on 120V) * Battery heating stops when the car reaches > 12°C on L2 or when charging is done whichever is reached first * If the car s plugged in and already charged and you precondition the cabin it ll pull whatever it can from the wall and from the battery (up to 7 kW combined) to heat the battery until your state of charge drops 1-2% below the set limit then it ll stop heating the battery and only pull power from the wall to top up the charge before continuing to heat * If the car is not plugged in and you precondition the cabin it ll also pull 7 kW from the battery to heat the battery without regard for current state of charge except if you set climate to Lo * The cutoff point for heating the battery while preconditioning is higher (> 20°C) assuming the prerequisites are met (nobody in the car SoC matches set charge limit battery under ~20°C). The moment you open your door or sit in the car the battery heating will stop unless you re still charging and it s still below the 10°C cutoff for charging At 240V 32A I was able to utilize the full 7 kW of battery heat and through monitoring the CAN bus data the battery ends up heating about 10°C every 15 minutes after an initial few minutes getting the stators and coolant up to temperature. [Here s a plot of On-route battery warmup](https: imgur.com uTXLaIi) which is the same heating mechanism just with an even higher cutoff (> 30°C). For the LR pack the energy cost to heat the pack from 0°F (-18°C) to where the heater stops at 54°F (12°C) is about 5.75 kWh (45 minutes at 240V 32A) so worst case scenario assuming you drive daily and use scheduled departure you could be spending an additional 20-25 miles worth of energy (requiring an additional 3-4 hours charging to recoup) to have a warm-ish battery each morning not including cabin preconditioning. [Here s an old plot](https: i.imgur.com 7wuvFyK.png) of about 2 hours of 120V charging. The outside temp (inside of my garage) stayed around 2°C while the battery started at 11°C due to prior driving. The battery heater (stators) pulled ~1.5 kW from the wall for 45 minutes to bring the battery to 13-14°C then the battery charged for 1 hour before needing heating again for 6 minutes. At 120V 12A I would expect this 10:1 charging heating ratio to last as long as the ambient temp stays constant around freezing. Laws of thermodynamics suggest it ll require twice as much heating when the outside temperature delta is 2x so even at -10°C (14°F) I would expect a pattern of charging for 50 minutes and heating for 10. More heating time would be required if it s windy or colder and a longer initial heat-up is also expected unless you recharge right after driving. | Your fucked if you stay on that outlet. Chicago weather here. On really cold days my car takes a bit to heat up before it starts to charge. I did live off of a 110 outlet for 6 months and it sucked. I couldn t use my car from when I got home on Friday to that Monday morning. I also went to a supercharger once a month if it got bad. You should definitely make plans to get a better outlet. It s also not hard to run wire. I ran a 105 foot run to my garage. My panel is on the other side of the house and in the basement. If you run the wire by yourself. You can always just hire a electrician to come in and hook it up and not pay for him to run it. | 66 | 7 | 7,361 |
i6xai8 | 33 | Using only 110V 20A for coming winter Hi guys I am fucked by having my panel box in the basement so the only available power outlet is my 110v 20A in the garage. I live in Iowa it is like 0\\~10F in winter. Do I need to worry that the 20A can only use to heat the battery and I could get 0mile per hour every day? | Don t discount that an enclosed garage means no wind and that the car will remain several degrees warmer than the ambient air on cold days. If you re looking to save energy and maximize your daily driveable range your best strategy will be to charge as soon as you get home when the battery s still somewhat warm from driving and you don t need to expend power heating it first but keep in mind you ll have next to no regen for most of your drive. If you want consistent regen you ll want your charge to finish right before departing (consider using scheduled departure). I can speak with some experience about Model 3 s cold weather behavior as I ve watched my own car closely over the past two winters. Not necessarily the same for S X Y but here s what I ve observed: * If the car s charging at 120 V it ll only pull what it can from the wall to heat the battery. This means 12 or 16 A in your situation. If you had L2 charging (240V 32A) or greater it ll pull up to 7 kW to heat the battery and the rest will be used to charge the battery simultaneously * If the battery s below -4°C the car will not put any power into charging only into heating the battery * In between -4 and 12°C the car will increasingly raise the amount of power used for charging but will still prioritize heating the battery first (on L2 may be different on 120V) * Battery heating stops when the car reaches > 12°C on L2 or when charging is done whichever is reached first * If the car s plugged in and already charged and you precondition the cabin it ll pull whatever it can from the wall and from the battery (up to 7 kW combined) to heat the battery until your state of charge drops 1-2% below the set limit then it ll stop heating the battery and only pull power from the wall to top up the charge before continuing to heat * If the car is not plugged in and you precondition the cabin it ll also pull 7 kW from the battery to heat the battery without regard for current state of charge except if you set climate to Lo * The cutoff point for heating the battery while preconditioning is higher (> 20°C) assuming the prerequisites are met (nobody in the car SoC matches set charge limit battery under ~20°C). The moment you open your door or sit in the car the battery heating will stop unless you re still charging and it s still below the 10°C cutoff for charging At 240V 32A I was able to utilize the full 7 kW of battery heat and through monitoring the CAN bus data the battery ends up heating about 10°C every 15 minutes after an initial few minutes getting the stators and coolant up to temperature. [Here s a plot of On-route battery warmup](https: imgur.com uTXLaIi) which is the same heating mechanism just with an even higher cutoff (> 30°C). For the LR pack the energy cost to heat the pack from 0°F (-18°C) to where the heater stops at 54°F (12°C) is about 5.75 kWh (45 minutes at 240V 32A) so worst case scenario assuming you drive daily and use scheduled departure you could be spending an additional 20-25 miles worth of energy (requiring an additional 3-4 hours charging to recoup) to have a warm-ish battery each morning not including cabin preconditioning. [Here s an old plot](https: i.imgur.com 7wuvFyK.png) of about 2 hours of 120V charging. The outside temp (inside of my garage) stayed around 2°C while the battery started at 11°C due to prior driving. The battery heater (stators) pulled ~1.5 kW from the wall for 45 minutes to bring the battery to 13-14°C then the battery charged for 1 hour before needing heating again for 6 minutes. At 120V 12A I would expect this 10:1 charging heating ratio to last as long as the ambient temp stays constant around freezing. Laws of thermodynamics suggest it ll require twice as much heating when the outside temperature delta is 2x so even at -10°C (14°F) I would expect a pattern of charging for 50 minutes and heating for 10. More heating time would be required if it s windy or colder and a longer initial heat-up is also expected unless you recharge right after driving. | I did this two winters ago in Chicago (including the week that was making the news with the cold temps). My car was parked outside of the garage most nights and plugged into a 120v 15A outlet using an extension cord. I have an older Model S. I was still able to charge each night. | 66 | 7 | 7,362 |
i7ek21 | 275 | All it took was a test drive So I ve been into Tesla for a while. Love the look of the cars always watch their reveals bought some stock. I would talk my dads ear off about how a Tesla should be his next car and how it s the future. He d always say the company wouldn t make a profit issues with charging and just didn t see how Tesla would ever be more than just a toy for some. I told him to buy stock when it was at $300 but he wouldn t budge. Anyway last week my family drove from Vancouver to Calgary to see my folks and my dad booked a test drive for the two of us just for fun. He s wanting a new car kinda soon. He likes Infiniti s and was probably going to get one of those. Until we drove a model Y. The instant we took the on-ramp to the highway I could tell my dad was impressed. It was just the long range version but it was plenty fast. Passing anything on the highway was too easy. Before you know it we re going 140 in a 100 zone. And the auto pilot was flawless. He kept saying how impressed he was with the engineering. ‘Incredible machine ‘your mom could get a model 3! Etc. All it took was a test drive to kill any hesitation he had before. I have no doubt he ll buy a Tesla before me. | It s a let s go just look at the puppies moment! Well played OP! | That s why I won t drive one. I know I won t be able to wait for my cyber truck if I drive either the Y or the 3. Although my wife has expressed interest in a 3 if she ever goes back to office (90 mile per day commute). If she gets a 3 I ll be pretty happy to drive it occasionally until my CT comes out. | 107 | 62 | 7,363 |
i7jp79 | 551 | Teslas are the undisputed world champ of point-to-point road tripping EDIT: If y all want to enjoy a different perspective check out the x post in [ r cars](https: old.reddit.com r cars comments i7k1mj teslas_are_the_undisputed_world_champions_of ) I never thought I d actually enjoy a road trip. Whenever my wife suggested it I always opted to fly. Our new Model 3 set me straight. We just came back from doing Dallas to Memphis round-trip about 990 miles. I maneuvered the car maybe less than 5 miles of the entire trip. Autopilot and Navigate-on-Autopilot handled the rest. This experience made me realize that it wasn t the distance that made road trips unpalatable to me. Instead it was the small yet constant decisions I had to make while driving that turned me off to it. Switching lanes. Keeping the car straight (which in retrospect takes much more work than I ever realized). Accelerating and braking. Deciding when and how to switch lanes. Those sorts of things. I have never felt as refreshed from a long drive as I have after this one. I can t wait for our next one. My only dislike: some super chargers (Plano Sulphur Springs) are located in awesome areas. Others (Texarkana Memphis) are located outside of malls. I wish that all of the super chargers we visited were located near city centers. | Just traveled from Bay Area to East TN. \\~2500 miles. I drove from ramp to charger and back +when road construction was too weird. Nothing else. Slept in the car. Ate out of the car using a plug in fridge to store food. Managing the car while it s driving is simply the only way. There needs to be a scenic routing option. | I only have Autopilot not FSD but I m curious: if I m in Autopilot+NOA and the driver in front of me is going slower than my set speed limit will the car change lanes to pass the driver and then return to the original lane? That s probably the single most annoying aspect of a long drive. Unfortunately anything short of complete full autonomy isn t worth paying for FSD for me but I m hoping that in eight or so years when I upgrade from my Model 3 I ll be able to get FSD at purchase time. | 55 | 16 | 7,364 |
i7jp79 | 551 | Teslas are the undisputed world champ of point-to-point road tripping EDIT: If y all want to enjoy a different perspective check out the x post in [ r cars](https: old.reddit.com r cars comments i7k1mj teslas_are_the_undisputed_world_champions_of ) I never thought I d actually enjoy a road trip. Whenever my wife suggested it I always opted to fly. Our new Model 3 set me straight. We just came back from doing Dallas to Memphis round-trip about 990 miles. I maneuvered the car maybe less than 5 miles of the entire trip. Autopilot and Navigate-on-Autopilot handled the rest. This experience made me realize that it wasn t the distance that made road trips unpalatable to me. Instead it was the small yet constant decisions I had to make while driving that turned me off to it. Switching lanes. Keeping the car straight (which in retrospect takes much more work than I ever realized). Accelerating and braking. Deciding when and how to switch lanes. Those sorts of things. I have never felt as refreshed from a long drive as I have after this one. I can t wait for our next one. My only dislike: some super chargers (Plano Sulphur Springs) are located in awesome areas. Others (Texarkana Memphis) are located outside of malls. I wish that all of the super chargers we visited were located near city centers. | Just traveled from Bay Area to East TN. \\~2500 miles. I drove from ramp to charger and back +when road construction was too weird. Nothing else. Slept in the car. Ate out of the car using a plug in fridge to store food. Managing the car while it s driving is simply the only way. There needs to be a scenic routing option. | Sulphur Springs... [enjoy watching others while revealing yourself](https: www.texasmonthly.com the-daily-post sulphur-springss-glass-walled-public-toilet-vies-to-succeed-buc-ees-as-americas-best-restroom ). Coffee shop was a little hard to find but weather permitting well worth walking around the town center. | 55 | 17 | 7,365 |
i8ikwl | 94 | Wipers now wave at overpasses on 2020.32.1 After receiving 2020.32.1 on my Model 3 last Saturday the already flawed auto wipers are on a new low. The first thing I noticed was they went into full hypermode after activating the windscreen spray. Kept going on the highest setting with very irregular intervals. After stopping to check the sensors and cameras (which by then where dry and clean) they seemed to have calmed down only to replace it with a completely new behavior: wave at overpass mode. Basically under each underpass it wipes once. Also happens when entering my garage. It obviously has something to do with the light dark transition but this never happened on the previous updates. Anything I m missing? Does one of the sensors need extra love in maintaining? | You think that s cool? Now mine waves at trees that cast shadows on the car. | I don t have 32.1 yet but I m also the one guy who never has trouble with the auto wipers... so we ll see what I get! | 56 | 11 | 7,366 |
i8ikwl | 94 | Wipers now wave at overpasses on 2020.32.1 After receiving 2020.32.1 on my Model 3 last Saturday the already flawed auto wipers are on a new low. The first thing I noticed was they went into full hypermode after activating the windscreen spray. Kept going on the highest setting with very irregular intervals. After stopping to check the sensors and cameras (which by then where dry and clean) they seemed to have calmed down only to replace it with a completely new behavior: wave at overpass mode. Basically under each underpass it wipes once. Also happens when entering my garage. It obviously has something to do with the light dark transition but this never happened on the previous updates. Anything I m missing? Does one of the sensors need extra love in maintaining? | You think that s cool? Now mine waves at trees that cast shadows on the car. | That s hilarious | 56 | 13 | 7,367 |
i8ikwl | 94 | Wipers now wave at overpasses on 2020.32.1 After receiving 2020.32.1 on my Model 3 last Saturday the already flawed auto wipers are on a new low. The first thing I noticed was they went into full hypermode after activating the windscreen spray. Kept going on the highest setting with very irregular intervals. After stopping to check the sensors and cameras (which by then where dry and clean) they seemed to have calmed down only to replace it with a completely new behavior: wave at overpass mode. Basically under each underpass it wipes once. Also happens when entering my garage. It obviously has something to do with the light dark transition but this never happened on the previous updates. Anything I m missing? Does one of the sensors need extra love in maintaining? | Tesla just needs revert to the old-school rain sensor the S used to have before AP2. Much more reliable than using a tiny sliver of the windshield to try to detect rain. | Ask service center to check. The camera might be dirty on the inside. It happen on my car with ap1 once. | 35 | 2 | 7,368 |
i8ov3b | 89 | Version 11? We are around 6 weeks away from the 1 year anniversary of Version 10. What s the consensus opinion on the timing of the next major release? What do we think will be in there? My hopes: - Overhaul of the audio platform and associated apps - Better mapping - New autopilot engine | Please replace Diet Spotify with the real thing. | New owner here is each major version typically spaced out by a year? | 108 | 2 | 7,369 |
i8ov3b | 89 | Version 11? We are around 6 weeks away from the 1 year anniversary of Version 10. What s the consensus opinion on the timing of the next major release? What do we think will be in there? My hopes: - Overhaul of the audio platform and associated apps - Better mapping - New autopilot engine | Please replace Diet Spotify with the real thing. | We are clearly firmly in the middle of firmware nuclear winter — Tesla delivered in Q2 what was needed to recognize FSD revenue and now they re likely mostly focused on finishing the _phantom rewrite_ | 108 | 3 | 7,370 |
i8ov3b | 89 | Version 11? We are around 6 weeks away from the 1 year anniversary of Version 10. What s the consensus opinion on the timing of the next major release? What do we think will be in there? My hopes: - Overhaul of the audio platform and associated apps - Better mapping - New autopilot engine | Please replace Diet Spotify with the real thing. | > New autopilot engine Maybe a UI overhaul ala Cybertruck? | 108 | 6 | 7,371 |
i8r6no | 93 | Allow us to train the dumb AI wiper thing... After seeing how many of us suffer with the wipers in dumb Auto in [this post](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments i8ikwl wipers_now_wave_at_overpasses_on_2020321 ) and having suffered phantom wipering shenanigans just as I was driving home today (street lamps were triggering) I was wondering: How does the AI know that it is NOT wet? How does it know it is wrong? Clearly something triggered it to think that the windshield is wet so wipers must do their job. But how can it know it that this was just a mistake and it should learn from it? I believe if we could at least indicate to it that it did a wrong decision to turn on the wiper AI would learn much MUCH faster and avoid this mistake in the future. When entering the Wiper menu (which for me is already a bad interface distraction more on that below) have the Off button converted into STOP and OFF. The STOP would let the AI know it s not supposed to run at the current observed condition. Comments from experts are mostly welcome here. I also understand that this would cause distraction. But the wipers turning on when they are not needed is also a distraction... And even more when they continuously keep randomly turning on when not required. I know they are a must under rain but normally when you drive in rainy conditions you re expected to increase your driving attention thus wipers are less of an annoyance but rather a useful thing. Regarding the Wiper interface: I think we should be able to control the wiper s speed by gliding the fingers left right over the car animation (maybe after pressing the wiper button) without having to be precise on where to touch. | I have a much better suggestion. Put a traditional rain sensor in the camera housing offer a retrofit to all of us that got cars without the traditional sensor. Don t waste energy or processing time on detecting droplets of water. Failing the obvious solution I think attempting to crowd source training data is more likely to produce poor results than positive results. Nearly everyone has a different comfort level for the amount of rain mist or spray they ll accept. Worse there are times that you might get water on your windscreen and not want to wipe (especially in areas that salt the roads). And we aren t even accounting for the different types of droplets lighting conditions etc. that are experienced globally. Finally these cameras can t reliably detect rain in one of the most dangerous conditions- facing directly into the sun so the NN would be trained against what appears to be just a bright sun in the sky. Again a rain sensor is the superior solution here. | How about this? Tesla likes to collect reams of data which are subsequently used to fine tune the behavior of its FSD. Why not collect the time and location of all wiper activations and compare it to the nearest Doppler radar rainfall estimate where available online? Eventually they might be able to figure out a better wiper algorithm. | 85 | 3 | 7,372 |
i8r6no | 93 | Allow us to train the dumb AI wiper thing... After seeing how many of us suffer with the wipers in dumb Auto in [this post](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments i8ikwl wipers_now_wave_at_overpasses_on_2020321 ) and having suffered phantom wipering shenanigans just as I was driving home today (street lamps were triggering) I was wondering: How does the AI know that it is NOT wet? How does it know it is wrong? Clearly something triggered it to think that the windshield is wet so wipers must do their job. But how can it know it that this was just a mistake and it should learn from it? I believe if we could at least indicate to it that it did a wrong decision to turn on the wiper AI would learn much MUCH faster and avoid this mistake in the future. When entering the Wiper menu (which for me is already a bad interface distraction more on that below) have the Off button converted into STOP and OFF. The STOP would let the AI know it s not supposed to run at the current observed condition. Comments from experts are mostly welcome here. I also understand that this would cause distraction. But the wipers turning on when they are not needed is also a distraction... And even more when they continuously keep randomly turning on when not required. I know they are a must under rain but normally when you drive in rainy conditions you re expected to increase your driving attention thus wipers are less of an annoyance but rather a useful thing. Regarding the Wiper interface: I think we should be able to control the wiper s speed by gliding the fingers left right over the car animation (maybe after pressing the wiper button) without having to be precise on where to touch. | I have a much better suggestion. Put a traditional rain sensor in the camera housing offer a retrofit to all of us that got cars without the traditional sensor. Don t waste energy or processing time on detecting droplets of water. Failing the obvious solution I think attempting to crowd source training data is more likely to produce poor results than positive results. Nearly everyone has a different comfort level for the amount of rain mist or spray they ll accept. Worse there are times that you might get water on your windscreen and not want to wipe (especially in areas that salt the roads). And we aren t even accounting for the different types of droplets lighting conditions etc. that are experienced globally. Finally these cameras can t reliably detect rain in one of the most dangerous conditions- facing directly into the sun so the NN would be trained against what appears to be just a bright sun in the sky. Again a rain sensor is the superior solution here. | They do this already. If the wipers are on AUTO and you make adjustments it notes the conditions. Those results are fed back into the next iteration of the ML model. You don t train your car directly but in aggregate it *is* learning. | 85 | 6 | 7,373 |
i8r6no | 93 | Allow us to train the dumb AI wiper thing... After seeing how many of us suffer with the wipers in dumb Auto in [this post](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments i8ikwl wipers_now_wave_at_overpasses_on_2020321 ) and having suffered phantom wipering shenanigans just as I was driving home today (street lamps were triggering) I was wondering: How does the AI know that it is NOT wet? How does it know it is wrong? Clearly something triggered it to think that the windshield is wet so wipers must do their job. But how can it know it that this was just a mistake and it should learn from it? I believe if we could at least indicate to it that it did a wrong decision to turn on the wiper AI would learn much MUCH faster and avoid this mistake in the future. When entering the Wiper menu (which for me is already a bad interface distraction more on that below) have the Off button converted into STOP and OFF. The STOP would let the AI know it s not supposed to run at the current observed condition. Comments from experts are mostly welcome here. I also understand that this would cause distraction. But the wipers turning on when they are not needed is also a distraction... And even more when they continuously keep randomly turning on when not required. I know they are a must under rain but normally when you drive in rainy conditions you re expected to increase your driving attention thus wipers are less of an annoyance but rather a useful thing. Regarding the Wiper interface: I think we should be able to control the wiper s speed by gliding the fingers left right over the car animation (maybe after pressing the wiper button) without having to be precise on where to touch. | I have a much better suggestion. Put a traditional rain sensor in the camera housing offer a retrofit to all of us that got cars without the traditional sensor. Don t waste energy or processing time on detecting droplets of water. Failing the obvious solution I think attempting to crowd source training data is more likely to produce poor results than positive results. Nearly everyone has a different comfort level for the amount of rain mist or spray they ll accept. Worse there are times that you might get water on your windscreen and not want to wipe (especially in areas that salt the roads). And we aren t even accounting for the different types of droplets lighting conditions etc. that are experienced globally. Finally these cameras can t reliably detect rain in one of the most dangerous conditions- facing directly into the sun so the NN would be trained against what appears to be just a bright sun in the sky. Again a rain sensor is the superior solution here. | I don t understand wipers work extremely well for me. | 85 | 14 | 7,374 |
i9kjb6 | 39 | I m just about to pull the trigger on a Model 3 Performance My wife has zero interest in cars so can someone convince me this is definitely a good idea?? I ve wanted one for ages but it s still a big expense and I m terrible at treating myself. We re a family of 4 (and a dog). Why performance? I feel I would be disappointed with the acceleration of the standard one after seeing so many Tesla 0-60 videos so figure it s worth going all out! \\*Update: I ended up going for the Model 3 AWD LR with the 19 wheels. There were a few reasons I decided not to go for the Performance version\\* \\- People were mentioning the potential upkeep costs of having the 20 wheels and hitting potholes. In the Kent countryside we have quite a few so this didn t seem worthwhile. It also sounds like they give a slightly worse comfort level. \\- When I test drove the Performance is was incredibly fun but I did finish with a bit of a headache whiplash so while incredibly thrilling I don t actually think 0-60 in 3.2 seconds is necessary for me personally. If I do ever need to scratch that itch I can pay £1 500 for the acceleration upgrade. \\- The acceleration from 50mph - 70mph of the LR seems to be on par with the Performance and I do a lot of motorway driving so this is more important to me than the 0-60mph. All in all I m incredibly happy and can t wait to take delivery. My current car is a VW Polo so it s a big change! Thanks for all the advice. | Go for the long range. The acceleration will blow you out of your boots anyways. | Go for it but first consider range needs and road quality in your area. Performance means less range and also fragile wheels given the profile. | 43 | 3 | 7,375 |
ia0ydn | 209 | A year into my 2019 Long Range AWD Model 3 - my list of pros and cons I ve had my Model 3 for a little over a year now and wanted to put my pros and cons into a list for anyone looking into get into one themselves. Some background to help provide insight into why my pros and cons are my pros and cons - I m a huge tech enthusiast and live in an area that experiences all four seasons. This is my first EV coming from three Cadillacs and an Audi. I charge at home with a 220 volt outlet and the mobile charger that came with the car. I ve only had to supercharge a handful of times and do 99.9% of my charging at home. I opted for the base 18 rims base (at the time) black paint and base black interior. Pros * AutoPilot. This one can t not be at the top of the list. I had to move for work recently and my commute grew from 2 miles round trip to 70. I spend a lot more time in the car and about 90% of my commute is on the highway. The 30 minute drive to and from work feels like nothing because I barely have to do anything - pretty much just get in the car and let it take over. * Acceleration torque power. Even without the performance model and the $2 000 speed upgrade there s a good chance I m the fastest car on the road at a given time. Being able to zoom forward to merge onto the highway or overtake a slow moving car on a two lane road is amazing. Plus the feeling of my head hitting the head rest has not gotten old yet even a year in. * Software updates. Some features my car has gotten for free over the last year: faster 0-60 time games Netflix left and right side view camera access when using the backup camera lane keep assist and lane departure warning visualization improvements and more. This is the only car I ve ever had that actually gains more in features after you drive it off the lot - and for free. * Wow factor. I ll admit I like the attention to an extent. Watching passengers break their necks to look into my car while cruising along the highway with AutoPilot on and hearing where s your engine when I pull my backpack out of the frunk when I walk into work in the morning. * No gas stations! Starting on a full tank every day is a point that s not talked about enough. Not to mention the convenience of not having to go to the gas station. * Remote control. I LOVE that I can control a lot of the features in my car remotely. My last two Cadillacs and my Audi all had remote lock capabilities and my two Cadillacs had remote start from my smartphone too but to be able to set the climate heated seats vent windows lock doors open trunk frunk from my phone is awesome. Being able to start it from the app is also a really cool feature if you ever need to let someone move your car while you re away from it with the key. * Winter driving. This car is over 2 ton. Coupled with all wheel drive and cautious driving it acted like a tank this past winter. We had maybe 10-15 bad snows throughout the winter and not once did I question my ability to navigate the roads or worry that I d get stuck somewhere. I didn t use winter tires. * Instant heat. Coupled with pre-conditioning I could warm my car up in the colder months 5 minutes before I was ready to take off and the interior would be nice and comfortable for me by the time I was ready. Plus if it had snowed it was really nice being able to thaw the front and rear windshields to an extent. Cons * Tesla support. This one goes to the top of the list. Tesla s customer service and support is garbage. Unless MAYBE you live in California and it s a little less garbage. My delivery experience was horrible and trying to get any kind of service for my car has been a joke without even the option for a loaner vehicle for repairs. Say what you want but rideshare credits are not going to cut it when I ve got an 80 mile trip home from the service center and that 70 mile round trip work commute I mentioned earlier during the week. Tesla has been reluctant to schedule mobile service every time I ve requested it and trying to reach someone is next to impossible because they do all of their chatting with you via text. They take days to respond - I m not kidding. * Overall vehicle and paint quality. The driver and passenger rear doors stick out slightly farther than the front doors. It s enough that there are actually paint chips on the little part that sticks out on the back doors from rocks debris getting kicked up off the road. One year in and the rock chips on the front are AWFUL. I m afraid to see what it s going to look like after another winter. The paint quality seems pretty poor and a lot of people seem to share the same consensus. There was peeling paint and paint bubbles in two areas on my car at delivery as well. Quality control seems to be an afterthought. Not sure if it s still an issue on the cars coming off the line today but there were a lot of complaints on this and my Model 3 is no exception. * Lack of luxury features for a luxury car. Compared to my last car a loaded Audi A4 Prestige trim this car does not have (nor does any trim level of the Model 3): proper blind spot monitoring rear cross traffic alert braking 360 degree birdseye camera view handsfree operated rear trunk head-up display heated steering wheel tri-zone climate control decent ambient interior lighting XM radio (I will never understand this one especially since Model S and X have it?) and a bunch of other small things (like cool dynamic sequential rear turn signals illuminated door sills projection puddle lamps and more). * AutoPilot is far from perfect. I have been flipped off by someone behind me more than once because AutoPilot decided the empty road ahead posed a threat and proceeded to slam on the brakes. The person behind thought I was brake checking them and (rightfully) gave me the finger. Going from a single lane to double lane road is hit or miss especially if the new lane is a turning lane. Up until recently my Model 3 would always try to hard swerve into a turning lane instead of continuing straight in the driving lane. * Rain sensing wipers and auto high beams may as well not exist. Model 3 does not have a real rain sensor because Tesla decided to save some cash and try to use AI from the cameras that control AutoPilot in the front of the car. Because it doesn t use the normal rain sensor (which uses IR light to detect if there s water on the windshield) like every other car with this feature the car often gets confused at what wiper speed is necessary for the amount of rain falling and decided it can t go wrong if it just sets the wipers to high speed for a light sprinkle. Sometimes the wipers work decently but I find myself manually controlling them 90% of the time. Tesla - you already missed the boat on a real rain sensor but maybe give us a sensitivity control? The auto high beams are pretty bad too. It deactivates at signs on the road that reflect the lights from my car but won t turn off when a driver is coming toward me. It s even worse on the highway. If the brights do turn off on their own the car activates them IMMEDIATELY after the passing car has left the camera which results in the driver in the opposing lane getting flashed jut as they re passing you. * Cold weather = 50% range on full charge. This one sucks. It s not a Tesla problem it s an EV problem. Heat is a lot more inefficient than A C so in the winter even if you have your cabin climate turned off the energy the car uses to warm the battery is still going to cause pretty significant range loss. There are no superchargers in between me and my family an hour away so up until I bought a spare mobile charger my trips home were always filled with worry that I wouldn t have enough charge to make it back especially if there was a snowstorm or other factor that caused additional drain. These are the high level pros and cons that I can think of for now. Not an extensive list by any means but it seems like I ve gotten a lot down as it is. Thanks for reading. | **Cons**: I ll add that last winter when it rained my interior fogged up so much more than any car I ve ever had. My seats or some area of the interior I could never pinpoint made a ton of squeaks. Cabin Noise. Holy crap at highway speed even with my premium stereo it s almost pointless if you don t blast music. I m not ready to have dynomat done and the rubber door seals and roof made zero impact. **Pros**: Regen braking. One pedal driving is the bomb don t know how I lived without it and Hold is amazing. Lower compartment in trunk is great. I can stow my yeti cooler packed with ice and it s nice and secure. I can bring home ice cream 115 degree Arizona heat without it turning into milk shake. Lack of maintenance. Love not having to have car serviced like an ICE. With one pedal regen probably my brake pads will last a looong time. Sentry mode. Haven t needed it but I like knowing when I m in a sketchy area I feel that much more comfort knowing I have some surveilance Dog mode. I don t have a dog but I ll keep it on when I have groceries in the car (another 115 degree Arizona reference) | Solid list of the state of things. | 50 | 2 | 7,376 |
ia0ydn | 209 | A year into my 2019 Long Range AWD Model 3 - my list of pros and cons I ve had my Model 3 for a little over a year now and wanted to put my pros and cons into a list for anyone looking into get into one themselves. Some background to help provide insight into why my pros and cons are my pros and cons - I m a huge tech enthusiast and live in an area that experiences all four seasons. This is my first EV coming from three Cadillacs and an Audi. I charge at home with a 220 volt outlet and the mobile charger that came with the car. I ve only had to supercharge a handful of times and do 99.9% of my charging at home. I opted for the base 18 rims base (at the time) black paint and base black interior. Pros * AutoPilot. This one can t not be at the top of the list. I had to move for work recently and my commute grew from 2 miles round trip to 70. I spend a lot more time in the car and about 90% of my commute is on the highway. The 30 minute drive to and from work feels like nothing because I barely have to do anything - pretty much just get in the car and let it take over. * Acceleration torque power. Even without the performance model and the $2 000 speed upgrade there s a good chance I m the fastest car on the road at a given time. Being able to zoom forward to merge onto the highway or overtake a slow moving car on a two lane road is amazing. Plus the feeling of my head hitting the head rest has not gotten old yet even a year in. * Software updates. Some features my car has gotten for free over the last year: faster 0-60 time games Netflix left and right side view camera access when using the backup camera lane keep assist and lane departure warning visualization improvements and more. This is the only car I ve ever had that actually gains more in features after you drive it off the lot - and for free. * Wow factor. I ll admit I like the attention to an extent. Watching passengers break their necks to look into my car while cruising along the highway with AutoPilot on and hearing where s your engine when I pull my backpack out of the frunk when I walk into work in the morning. * No gas stations! Starting on a full tank every day is a point that s not talked about enough. Not to mention the convenience of not having to go to the gas station. * Remote control. I LOVE that I can control a lot of the features in my car remotely. My last two Cadillacs and my Audi all had remote lock capabilities and my two Cadillacs had remote start from my smartphone too but to be able to set the climate heated seats vent windows lock doors open trunk frunk from my phone is awesome. Being able to start it from the app is also a really cool feature if you ever need to let someone move your car while you re away from it with the key. * Winter driving. This car is over 2 ton. Coupled with all wheel drive and cautious driving it acted like a tank this past winter. We had maybe 10-15 bad snows throughout the winter and not once did I question my ability to navigate the roads or worry that I d get stuck somewhere. I didn t use winter tires. * Instant heat. Coupled with pre-conditioning I could warm my car up in the colder months 5 minutes before I was ready to take off and the interior would be nice and comfortable for me by the time I was ready. Plus if it had snowed it was really nice being able to thaw the front and rear windshields to an extent. Cons * Tesla support. This one goes to the top of the list. Tesla s customer service and support is garbage. Unless MAYBE you live in California and it s a little less garbage. My delivery experience was horrible and trying to get any kind of service for my car has been a joke without even the option for a loaner vehicle for repairs. Say what you want but rideshare credits are not going to cut it when I ve got an 80 mile trip home from the service center and that 70 mile round trip work commute I mentioned earlier during the week. Tesla has been reluctant to schedule mobile service every time I ve requested it and trying to reach someone is next to impossible because they do all of their chatting with you via text. They take days to respond - I m not kidding. * Overall vehicle and paint quality. The driver and passenger rear doors stick out slightly farther than the front doors. It s enough that there are actually paint chips on the little part that sticks out on the back doors from rocks debris getting kicked up off the road. One year in and the rock chips on the front are AWFUL. I m afraid to see what it s going to look like after another winter. The paint quality seems pretty poor and a lot of people seem to share the same consensus. There was peeling paint and paint bubbles in two areas on my car at delivery as well. Quality control seems to be an afterthought. Not sure if it s still an issue on the cars coming off the line today but there were a lot of complaints on this and my Model 3 is no exception. * Lack of luxury features for a luxury car. Compared to my last car a loaded Audi A4 Prestige trim this car does not have (nor does any trim level of the Model 3): proper blind spot monitoring rear cross traffic alert braking 360 degree birdseye camera view handsfree operated rear trunk head-up display heated steering wheel tri-zone climate control decent ambient interior lighting XM radio (I will never understand this one especially since Model S and X have it?) and a bunch of other small things (like cool dynamic sequential rear turn signals illuminated door sills projection puddle lamps and more). * AutoPilot is far from perfect. I have been flipped off by someone behind me more than once because AutoPilot decided the empty road ahead posed a threat and proceeded to slam on the brakes. The person behind thought I was brake checking them and (rightfully) gave me the finger. Going from a single lane to double lane road is hit or miss especially if the new lane is a turning lane. Up until recently my Model 3 would always try to hard swerve into a turning lane instead of continuing straight in the driving lane. * Rain sensing wipers and auto high beams may as well not exist. Model 3 does not have a real rain sensor because Tesla decided to save some cash and try to use AI from the cameras that control AutoPilot in the front of the car. Because it doesn t use the normal rain sensor (which uses IR light to detect if there s water on the windshield) like every other car with this feature the car often gets confused at what wiper speed is necessary for the amount of rain falling and decided it can t go wrong if it just sets the wipers to high speed for a light sprinkle. Sometimes the wipers work decently but I find myself manually controlling them 90% of the time. Tesla - you already missed the boat on a real rain sensor but maybe give us a sensitivity control? The auto high beams are pretty bad too. It deactivates at signs on the road that reflect the lights from my car but won t turn off when a driver is coming toward me. It s even worse on the highway. If the brights do turn off on their own the car activates them IMMEDIATELY after the passing car has left the camera which results in the driver in the opposing lane getting flashed jut as they re passing you. * Cold weather = 50% range on full charge. This one sucks. It s not a Tesla problem it s an EV problem. Heat is a lot more inefficient than A C so in the winter even if you have your cabin climate turned off the energy the car uses to warm the battery is still going to cause pretty significant range loss. There are no superchargers in between me and my family an hour away so up until I bought a spare mobile charger my trips home were always filled with worry that I wouldn t have enough charge to make it back especially if there was a snowstorm or other factor that caused additional drain. These are the high level pros and cons that I can think of for now. Not an extensive list by any means but it seems like I ve gotten a lot down as it is. Thanks for reading. | **Cons**: I ll add that last winter when it rained my interior fogged up so much more than any car I ve ever had. My seats or some area of the interior I could never pinpoint made a ton of squeaks. Cabin Noise. Holy crap at highway speed even with my premium stereo it s almost pointless if you don t blast music. I m not ready to have dynomat done and the rubber door seals and roof made zero impact. **Pros**: Regen braking. One pedal driving is the bomb don t know how I lived without it and Hold is amazing. Lower compartment in trunk is great. I can stow my yeti cooler packed with ice and it s nice and secure. I can bring home ice cream 115 degree Arizona heat without it turning into milk shake. Lack of maintenance. Love not having to have car serviced like an ICE. With one pedal regen probably my brake pads will last a looong time. Sentry mode. Haven t needed it but I like knowing when I m in a sketchy area I feel that much more comfort knowing I have some surveilance Dog mode. I don t have a dog but I ll keep it on when I have groceries in the car (another 115 degree Arizona reference) | Yet to go through my first winter with the same model. Getting a charger installed to at least keep the battery warm over nights. Hope that helps. | 50 | 3 | 7,377 |
ia0ydn | 209 | A year into my 2019 Long Range AWD Model 3 - my list of pros and cons I ve had my Model 3 for a little over a year now and wanted to put my pros and cons into a list for anyone looking into get into one themselves. Some background to help provide insight into why my pros and cons are my pros and cons - I m a huge tech enthusiast and live in an area that experiences all four seasons. This is my first EV coming from three Cadillacs and an Audi. I charge at home with a 220 volt outlet and the mobile charger that came with the car. I ve only had to supercharge a handful of times and do 99.9% of my charging at home. I opted for the base 18 rims base (at the time) black paint and base black interior. Pros * AutoPilot. This one can t not be at the top of the list. I had to move for work recently and my commute grew from 2 miles round trip to 70. I spend a lot more time in the car and about 90% of my commute is on the highway. The 30 minute drive to and from work feels like nothing because I barely have to do anything - pretty much just get in the car and let it take over. * Acceleration torque power. Even without the performance model and the $2 000 speed upgrade there s a good chance I m the fastest car on the road at a given time. Being able to zoom forward to merge onto the highway or overtake a slow moving car on a two lane road is amazing. Plus the feeling of my head hitting the head rest has not gotten old yet even a year in. * Software updates. Some features my car has gotten for free over the last year: faster 0-60 time games Netflix left and right side view camera access when using the backup camera lane keep assist and lane departure warning visualization improvements and more. This is the only car I ve ever had that actually gains more in features after you drive it off the lot - and for free. * Wow factor. I ll admit I like the attention to an extent. Watching passengers break their necks to look into my car while cruising along the highway with AutoPilot on and hearing where s your engine when I pull my backpack out of the frunk when I walk into work in the morning. * No gas stations! Starting on a full tank every day is a point that s not talked about enough. Not to mention the convenience of not having to go to the gas station. * Remote control. I LOVE that I can control a lot of the features in my car remotely. My last two Cadillacs and my Audi all had remote lock capabilities and my two Cadillacs had remote start from my smartphone too but to be able to set the climate heated seats vent windows lock doors open trunk frunk from my phone is awesome. Being able to start it from the app is also a really cool feature if you ever need to let someone move your car while you re away from it with the key. * Winter driving. This car is over 2 ton. Coupled with all wheel drive and cautious driving it acted like a tank this past winter. We had maybe 10-15 bad snows throughout the winter and not once did I question my ability to navigate the roads or worry that I d get stuck somewhere. I didn t use winter tires. * Instant heat. Coupled with pre-conditioning I could warm my car up in the colder months 5 minutes before I was ready to take off and the interior would be nice and comfortable for me by the time I was ready. Plus if it had snowed it was really nice being able to thaw the front and rear windshields to an extent. Cons * Tesla support. This one goes to the top of the list. Tesla s customer service and support is garbage. Unless MAYBE you live in California and it s a little less garbage. My delivery experience was horrible and trying to get any kind of service for my car has been a joke without even the option for a loaner vehicle for repairs. Say what you want but rideshare credits are not going to cut it when I ve got an 80 mile trip home from the service center and that 70 mile round trip work commute I mentioned earlier during the week. Tesla has been reluctant to schedule mobile service every time I ve requested it and trying to reach someone is next to impossible because they do all of their chatting with you via text. They take days to respond - I m not kidding. * Overall vehicle and paint quality. The driver and passenger rear doors stick out slightly farther than the front doors. It s enough that there are actually paint chips on the little part that sticks out on the back doors from rocks debris getting kicked up off the road. One year in and the rock chips on the front are AWFUL. I m afraid to see what it s going to look like after another winter. The paint quality seems pretty poor and a lot of people seem to share the same consensus. There was peeling paint and paint bubbles in two areas on my car at delivery as well. Quality control seems to be an afterthought. Not sure if it s still an issue on the cars coming off the line today but there were a lot of complaints on this and my Model 3 is no exception. * Lack of luxury features for a luxury car. Compared to my last car a loaded Audi A4 Prestige trim this car does not have (nor does any trim level of the Model 3): proper blind spot monitoring rear cross traffic alert braking 360 degree birdseye camera view handsfree operated rear trunk head-up display heated steering wheel tri-zone climate control decent ambient interior lighting XM radio (I will never understand this one especially since Model S and X have it?) and a bunch of other small things (like cool dynamic sequential rear turn signals illuminated door sills projection puddle lamps and more). * AutoPilot is far from perfect. I have been flipped off by someone behind me more than once because AutoPilot decided the empty road ahead posed a threat and proceeded to slam on the brakes. The person behind thought I was brake checking them and (rightfully) gave me the finger. Going from a single lane to double lane road is hit or miss especially if the new lane is a turning lane. Up until recently my Model 3 would always try to hard swerve into a turning lane instead of continuing straight in the driving lane. * Rain sensing wipers and auto high beams may as well not exist. Model 3 does not have a real rain sensor because Tesla decided to save some cash and try to use AI from the cameras that control AutoPilot in the front of the car. Because it doesn t use the normal rain sensor (which uses IR light to detect if there s water on the windshield) like every other car with this feature the car often gets confused at what wiper speed is necessary for the amount of rain falling and decided it can t go wrong if it just sets the wipers to high speed for a light sprinkle. Sometimes the wipers work decently but I find myself manually controlling them 90% of the time. Tesla - you already missed the boat on a real rain sensor but maybe give us a sensitivity control? The auto high beams are pretty bad too. It deactivates at signs on the road that reflect the lights from my car but won t turn off when a driver is coming toward me. It s even worse on the highway. If the brights do turn off on their own the car activates them IMMEDIATELY after the passing car has left the camera which results in the driver in the opposing lane getting flashed jut as they re passing you. * Cold weather = 50% range on full charge. This one sucks. It s not a Tesla problem it s an EV problem. Heat is a lot more inefficient than A C so in the winter even if you have your cabin climate turned off the energy the car uses to warm the battery is still going to cause pretty significant range loss. There are no superchargers in between me and my family an hour away so up until I bought a spare mobile charger my trips home were always filled with worry that I wouldn t have enough charge to make it back especially if there was a snowstorm or other factor that caused additional drain. These are the high level pros and cons that I can think of for now. Not an extensive list by any means but it seems like I ve gotten a lot down as it is. Thanks for reading. | **Cons**: I ll add that last winter when it rained my interior fogged up so much more than any car I ve ever had. My seats or some area of the interior I could never pinpoint made a ton of squeaks. Cabin Noise. Holy crap at highway speed even with my premium stereo it s almost pointless if you don t blast music. I m not ready to have dynomat done and the rubber door seals and roof made zero impact. **Pros**: Regen braking. One pedal driving is the bomb don t know how I lived without it and Hold is amazing. Lower compartment in trunk is great. I can stow my yeti cooler packed with ice and it s nice and secure. I can bring home ice cream 115 degree Arizona heat without it turning into milk shake. Lack of maintenance. Love not having to have car serviced like an ICE. With one pedal regen probably my brake pads will last a looong time. Sentry mode. Haven t needed it but I like knowing when I m in a sketchy area I feel that much more comfort knowing I have some surveilance Dog mode. I don t have a dog but I ll keep it on when I have groceries in the car (another 115 degree Arizona reference) | The support is really a Ymmv issue. I ve had a rear bumper replaced rear passenger side door replaced and the car towed from home to nearest SC. No issues with any of the 3 services. First two one involved my insurance and another the guy who hit me. No issues on either repair other than having to wait about 4 weeks for parts to come in. Car was drive able so wasn t an issue. AP isn t actually even on my pros list. For the reasons you out in its cons I just can t stand using it. I also enjoy driving the car too much to let the computer drive. It s just a glorified cruise control and I d only use it on trips that take more than an hour. Edit: 2018 Model 3 LR RWD in Houston. | 50 | 4 | 7,378 |
iabjz8 | 322 | Thank you kind M3 stranger! Back in March when I took delivery of my M3 as my spouse s birthday gift we were driving down a street. As we stopped at a light another M3 pulled up and the driver motioned me to lower my window. When I did he asked if we had just bought the car. We still had temporary plates so yes. He then proceeded to give me a USB stick for dashcam saying it will be useful for me. Then he drove off. I was like WTF? Is this a scam does the stick contain a virus? Turns out he was just being a bro. We ve used the stick since. That was such a kind gesture even if he had an extra stick lying around. It s the thought that matters more. Thank you fellow M3er! Edit 1: WOW. Way too many tinfoil hatters in this sub. Edit 2: guess what? I got a DM from the bro. Before you lose you shiz just know he identified the correct location. Reddit rocks. Edit 3: I stuck it into my laptop checked it and plugged it into my car. | For all the Nervous Nellies suggesting that the OP was foolish to accept a flash drive from a stranger I d just say this: part of being a discerning adult is being able to judge a situation. No one pulling up in a Model 3 offering to help you is going to try to toast your Model 3 by giving you a malicious drive. The world is not the post-apocalyptic disaster you are sold in the news thank goodness. Dude got a free flash drive. Nice. (Surprised no one asked Did you disinfect it first? . Sigh...) | He probably did what I did and bought a USB stick only to replace it with a larger capacity one. Good guy! | 133 | 5 | 7,379 |
iabjz8 | 322 | Thank you kind M3 stranger! Back in March when I took delivery of my M3 as my spouse s birthday gift we were driving down a street. As we stopped at a light another M3 pulled up and the driver motioned me to lower my window. When I did he asked if we had just bought the car. We still had temporary plates so yes. He then proceeded to give me a USB stick for dashcam saying it will be useful for me. Then he drove off. I was like WTF? Is this a scam does the stick contain a virus? Turns out he was just being a bro. We ve used the stick since. That was such a kind gesture even if he had an extra stick lying around. It s the thought that matters more. Thank you fellow M3er! Edit 1: WOW. Way too many tinfoil hatters in this sub. Edit 2: guess what? I got a DM from the bro. Before you lose you shiz just know he identified the correct location. Reddit rocks. Edit 3: I stuck it into my laptop checked it and plugged it into my car. | For all the Nervous Nellies suggesting that the OP was foolish to accept a flash drive from a stranger I d just say this: part of being a discerning adult is being able to judge a situation. No one pulling up in a Model 3 offering to help you is going to try to toast your Model 3 by giving you a malicious drive. The world is not the post-apocalyptic disaster you are sold in the news thank goodness. Dude got a free flash drive. Nice. (Surprised no one asked Did you disinfect it first? . Sigh...) | Uh. Where do you live? I m packing my things and moving there after I post this comment. | 133 | 8 | 7,380 |
iabjz8 | 322 | Thank you kind M3 stranger! Back in March when I took delivery of my M3 as my spouse s birthday gift we were driving down a street. As we stopped at a light another M3 pulled up and the driver motioned me to lower my window. When I did he asked if we had just bought the car. We still had temporary plates so yes. He then proceeded to give me a USB stick for dashcam saying it will be useful for me. Then he drove off. I was like WTF? Is this a scam does the stick contain a virus? Turns out he was just being a bro. We ve used the stick since. That was such a kind gesture even if he had an extra stick lying around. It s the thought that matters more. Thank you fellow M3er! Edit 1: WOW. Way too many tinfoil hatters in this sub. Edit 2: guess what? I got a DM from the bro. Before you lose you shiz just know he identified the correct location. Reddit rocks. Edit 3: I stuck it into my laptop checked it and plugged it into my car. | For all the Nervous Nellies suggesting that the OP was foolish to accept a flash drive from a stranger I d just say this: part of being a discerning adult is being able to judge a situation. No one pulling up in a Model 3 offering to help you is going to try to toast your Model 3 by giving you a malicious drive. The world is not the post-apocalyptic disaster you are sold in the news thank goodness. Dude got a free flash drive. Nice. (Surprised no one asked Did you disinfect it first? . Sigh...) | It s probably a platoon of Chinese Military going rogue around Tesla delivery SC s across the country to infiltrate our Tesla s. They know a good thing when they see it. Edit: Our Tesla s | 133 | 15 | 7,381 |
iaqh97 | 119 | (Rant from Korea) Tesla REALLY needs to create a CCS Combo 1 charger adapter I live in South Korea where CCS Combo 1 has been designated as the official fast-charge standard for all (public) fast-charging stations since late-2017. Yet Tesla refuses has no plans to create a CCS Combo 1 to Tesla adapter. While there are some CHAdeMO stations these are planned to be phased out eventually and new stations don t have them. This is a big problem since Tesla s charging network is minuscule over here (only 32 supercharging stations in the whole country) while the number of Tesla cars has almost tripled in the first half of 2020 alone. You might be saying That s no biggie just stop being cheap and get a home charging unit. You re dumb for trying to rely on superchargers fast-chargers for your daily needs anyways. but unfortunately that s not a solution for me and the vast majority of Koreans because OVER 60% of Koreans live in apartments or condos with shared parking space so you can t just install a charging station because you want to. And no one wants has the time to drive to a slow-charging station to charge for 5+ hours. And even though I actually happen to be one of the more fortunate ones because I live in a very new apartment complex with several EV charging stations I still have to compete with other EV drivers for the slow-speed chargers. So if I get home late all spots are taken and means no charging for me that night. All this could be avoided if Tesla would just make a CCS Combo 1 adapter so I can use the public fast-charging stations! Theoretically I could get a CCS Combo 1 to CCS Combo 2 adapter then a CCS Combo 2 to European Tesla adapter then finally a European Tesla adapter to US Tesla adapter but that s a stupid solution to a very simple problem. There s absolutely no reason Tesla can t make a CCS Combo 1 to US Tesla adapter. | Wasn t there a TMC post about someone from Korea coming up with a working prototype? Edit: link https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads dc-combo-for-usa-port.202623 | I wonder why the vibrant aftermarket hasn t jumped on this. | 35 | 6 | 7,382 |
iazx50 | 314 | Elon confirms the Cybertruck does not meet EU spec Thought I d post this hear as I didn t read about this being confirmed anywhere and because it might affect those of you in the EU with a Cybertruck reservation. From the Daily Drive podcast. Elon Musk: “We made the exec decision to not make the world truck **so it does not comply with a lot of EU spec and stuff** we can make a truck that does comply with the EU spec in the future “We are fundamentally making this truck as a North American ass-kicker. Link to podcast (timestamped to play at the relevant part): [https: soundcloud.com andailydrive august-3-2020#t=15:34](https: soundcloud.com andailydrive august-3-2020#t=15:34) | Maybe they should remove the option to pre-order from the european Tesla sites? Otherwise this will lead to more people being let down when they learn that they will not get the Cybertruck. | Pretty sure this has been posted like 5 times already. | 121 | 3 | 7,383 |
iazx50 | 314 | Elon confirms the Cybertruck does not meet EU spec Thought I d post this hear as I didn t read about this being confirmed anywhere and because it might affect those of you in the EU with a Cybertruck reservation. From the Daily Drive podcast. Elon Musk: “We made the exec decision to not make the world truck **so it does not comply with a lot of EU spec and stuff** we can make a truck that does comply with the EU spec in the future “We are fundamentally making this truck as a North American ass-kicker. Link to podcast (timestamped to play at the relevant part): [https: soundcloud.com andailydrive august-3-2020#t=15:34](https: soundcloud.com andailydrive august-3-2020#t=15:34) | Maybe they should remove the option to pre-order from the european Tesla sites? Otherwise this will lead to more people being let down when they learn that they will not get the Cybertruck. | Assume the pedestrian safety rules in the EU are different for commercial trucks...no way for the CT to get classification as a commercial vehicle in EU? | 121 | 21 | 7,384 |
iazx50 | 314 | Elon confirms the Cybertruck does not meet EU spec Thought I d post this hear as I didn t read about this being confirmed anywhere and because it might affect those of you in the EU with a Cybertruck reservation. From the Daily Drive podcast. Elon Musk: “We made the exec decision to not make the world truck **so it does not comply with a lot of EU spec and stuff** we can make a truck that does comply with the EU spec in the future “We are fundamentally making this truck as a North American ass-kicker. Link to podcast (timestamped to play at the relevant part): [https: soundcloud.com andailydrive august-3-2020#t=15:34](https: soundcloud.com andailydrive august-3-2020#t=15:34) | Maybe they should remove the option to pre-order from the european Tesla sites? Otherwise this will lead to more people being let down when they learn that they will not get the Cybertruck. | I m familiar with the Amber turn signal difference between US and EU. Obviously efficiency smog rules don t apply. What EU spec would present an issue for the Cybertruck? | 121 | 22 | 7,385 |
ibq0uk | 169 | Couldn t be happier! After doing extensive research and reading posts on the sub about poor quality control tedious delivery and terrible customer service I was a little nervous going into the pickup phase of my new Model 3. My delivery date got rescheduled 3 times due to the logistics team miscalculating delivery only for it to be delivered earlier than I originally requested. I just picked up the car this weekend and wanted to post about how absolutely stunning the vehicle is. There were no paint problems no misaligned panels and it drives like a dream. The navigate on autopilot feature has been nearly flawless for me so far. There are a lot of posts about the downsides of dealing with Tesla (rightfully so) but I have nothing but good things to say so far about the car itself and wanted to share my story to help inform those of you who are teetering on the edge of becoming part of the fleet. | Just took delivery of my 3LR this afternoon as well and can happily confirm that it went smoothly and the car is perfect! Rep warned me last week it might be delayed but I got a call this morning letting me know it was ready. Took touchless delivery without any issues and car seems free of any paint glass panel issues! I m already in love! | may i ask which configuration you got and where your situated? This gives me hope that when I receive my delivery I wont have any issues. | 59 | 8 | 7,386 |
ic4ili | 54 | The service center says the bumper paint match is within specification . Anyone else with a white Y have similar issues? https: imgur.com a ke4dEgt The service center says the bumper paint match is within specification . Anyone else with a white Y have similar issues? I m not sure what their specifications are but if this was a car I rebuilt we would definitely be repainting that rear bumper. I noticed it right away when I bought the car but I feel it s gotten worse since then. | “Within spec” seems to mean “it s a Tesla”. Sorry op that s bad. Escalate until it s made right. I can t believe they re still getting away with this. | Ewwwww. This is what everyone s been talking about. Looks nasty. | 61 | 2 | 7,387 |
ic4ili | 54 | The service center says the bumper paint match is within specification . Anyone else with a white Y have similar issues? https: imgur.com a ke4dEgt The service center says the bumper paint match is within specification . Anyone else with a white Y have similar issues? I m not sure what their specifications are but if this was a car I rebuilt we would definitely be repainting that rear bumper. I noticed it right away when I bought the car but I feel it s gotten worse since then. | “Within spec” seems to mean “it s a Tesla”. Sorry op that s bad. Escalate until it s made right. I can t believe they re still getting away with this. | I had this same issues with my mine I got in April 2018. The bumper is black injection molding and after mine was set in the sun heat it had almost a purple tint. I m sorry that they are refusing to fix but keep escalating or ask for escalation until it gets resolved. Deep down they fucking know. | 61 | 3 | 7,388 |
ic4ili | 54 | The service center says the bumper paint match is within specification . Anyone else with a white Y have similar issues? https: imgur.com a ke4dEgt The service center says the bumper paint match is within specification . Anyone else with a white Y have similar issues? I m not sure what their specifications are but if this was a car I rebuilt we would definitely be repainting that rear bumper. I noticed it right away when I bought the car but I feel it s gotten worse since then. | “Within spec” seems to mean “it s a Tesla”. Sorry op that s bad. Escalate until it s made right. I can t believe they re still getting away with this. | This right here is why I budgeted an extra $3k for a vinyl wrap. Edit: Could someone explain why this is getting downvoted? | 61 | 4 | 7,389 |
ic8ct2 | 1,684 | Awful customer experience I m gonna try and make this is short as possible to not sound too much like a whiny bitch but I never thought buying a $60k car would suck this much. When taking delivery and spotting all the defects the delivery rep told me don t worry they ll fix everything just take photos of everything and make a service apt though the app . I spotted so many things wrong that the app wouldn t even let me upload all the photos for 1 service appointment. So I made 2. Of course I had to wait over a week(past the window for returning the car) for my 1st apt. Fast forward to today when I show up 10 mins early for my apt. I check in at a jam packed service center without any room to park. A few mins later I get a call from the service rep telling my apt is not for another 4 days. I say no it s today. I m looking at it right now in the app. You want me to send you a screenshot of it? . He says That s weird okay I ll grab a guy and head over to you . Turns out my first appointment had been deleted by their system everywhere but on my app along with all the photos I had submitted. So now I m left trying to convince them that all these paint alignment headliner leather and glass issues where there when I picked up the car. Luckily I had not deleted the photos off my phone and they were dated. We proceeded to mark all my concerns outside in the blazing heat with barely enough room around the car to maneuver. It was up to me to find all the photos on my phone in the direct noon sun while they deflected most of my concerns with very carefully worded statements like we ll definitely check all these things out and make sure they are within spec. and You should definitely talk to someone about what they said to you at delivery . After becoming irritated and fatigued by the sun trying to find all the dozens of spots that I had photos of and their robotic canned answers we concluded with We re gonna need at least a few days is there someone coming to pick you up? . What?! I replied Uh no I m expecting a loaner . He replied with Sorry all our loaners are gone and there s a long waiting list that I can put you on. I can give you Uber vouchers . So here I am fresh from spending 30 mins confined in a stranger s car during a pandemic fielding questions about who I m going to vote for and am I going to take a vaccine designed by Bill Gates to control the population? . I m also fairly certain this guy thinks you re supposed to clean leather with cologne. Right now I ve got no vehicle no idea if they will actually fix my car possibly infected with covid 19 and absolutely stinking of cologne. This is enough to say never again . If you made it this far. Thanks for reading. | Let s all say it together Refuse at Delivery | I would return the car if you believe there are that many issues with it. | 1,219 | 3 | 7,390 |
ic8ct2 | 1,684 | Awful customer experience I m gonna try and make this is short as possible to not sound too much like a whiny bitch but I never thought buying a $60k car would suck this much. When taking delivery and spotting all the defects the delivery rep told me don t worry they ll fix everything just take photos of everything and make a service apt though the app . I spotted so many things wrong that the app wouldn t even let me upload all the photos for 1 service appointment. So I made 2. Of course I had to wait over a week(past the window for returning the car) for my 1st apt. Fast forward to today when I show up 10 mins early for my apt. I check in at a jam packed service center without any room to park. A few mins later I get a call from the service rep telling my apt is not for another 4 days. I say no it s today. I m looking at it right now in the app. You want me to send you a screenshot of it? . He says That s weird okay I ll grab a guy and head over to you . Turns out my first appointment had been deleted by their system everywhere but on my app along with all the photos I had submitted. So now I m left trying to convince them that all these paint alignment headliner leather and glass issues where there when I picked up the car. Luckily I had not deleted the photos off my phone and they were dated. We proceeded to mark all my concerns outside in the blazing heat with barely enough room around the car to maneuver. It was up to me to find all the photos on my phone in the direct noon sun while they deflected most of my concerns with very carefully worded statements like we ll definitely check all these things out and make sure they are within spec. and You should definitely talk to someone about what they said to you at delivery . After becoming irritated and fatigued by the sun trying to find all the dozens of spots that I had photos of and their robotic canned answers we concluded with We re gonna need at least a few days is there someone coming to pick you up? . What?! I replied Uh no I m expecting a loaner . He replied with Sorry all our loaners are gone and there s a long waiting list that I can put you on. I can give you Uber vouchers . So here I am fresh from spending 30 mins confined in a stranger s car during a pandemic fielding questions about who I m going to vote for and am I going to take a vaccine designed by Bill Gates to control the population? . I m also fairly certain this guy thinks you re supposed to clean leather with cologne. Right now I ve got no vehicle no idea if they will actually fix my car possibly infected with covid 19 and absolutely stinking of cologne. This is enough to say never again . If you made it this far. Thanks for reading. | Let s all say it together Refuse at Delivery | I had a better experience recently but still some similarities. - I provided as many photos as possible in the app but was still asked to go around the car and point out every item individually. - They did not have any loaners left. They gave someone behind me that last loaner (he was in an S and me in a Y). - I was offered a rental through Enterprise which they have been leveraging due to lack of loaners. However they did not have a car to take me to Enterprise in so I had to walk with the Tesla Rep with my personal belongings from my car to Enterprise. Luckily it was sunny although 90+ degrees. - My car was completed within 3 hours which was great. I can tell that some of the glaring fixes were addressed but some of the smaller items I showed them were not addressed. No confirmation of the specific work done was provided. | 1,219 | 12 | 7,391 |
ic8ct2 | 1,684 | Awful customer experience I m gonna try and make this is short as possible to not sound too much like a whiny bitch but I never thought buying a $60k car would suck this much. When taking delivery and spotting all the defects the delivery rep told me don t worry they ll fix everything just take photos of everything and make a service apt though the app . I spotted so many things wrong that the app wouldn t even let me upload all the photos for 1 service appointment. So I made 2. Of course I had to wait over a week(past the window for returning the car) for my 1st apt. Fast forward to today when I show up 10 mins early for my apt. I check in at a jam packed service center without any room to park. A few mins later I get a call from the service rep telling my apt is not for another 4 days. I say no it s today. I m looking at it right now in the app. You want me to send you a screenshot of it? . He says That s weird okay I ll grab a guy and head over to you . Turns out my first appointment had been deleted by their system everywhere but on my app along with all the photos I had submitted. So now I m left trying to convince them that all these paint alignment headliner leather and glass issues where there when I picked up the car. Luckily I had not deleted the photos off my phone and they were dated. We proceeded to mark all my concerns outside in the blazing heat with barely enough room around the car to maneuver. It was up to me to find all the photos on my phone in the direct noon sun while they deflected most of my concerns with very carefully worded statements like we ll definitely check all these things out and make sure they are within spec. and You should definitely talk to someone about what they said to you at delivery . After becoming irritated and fatigued by the sun trying to find all the dozens of spots that I had photos of and their robotic canned answers we concluded with We re gonna need at least a few days is there someone coming to pick you up? . What?! I replied Uh no I m expecting a loaner . He replied with Sorry all our loaners are gone and there s a long waiting list that I can put you on. I can give you Uber vouchers . So here I am fresh from spending 30 mins confined in a stranger s car during a pandemic fielding questions about who I m going to vote for and am I going to take a vaccine designed by Bill Gates to control the population? . I m also fairly certain this guy thinks you re supposed to clean leather with cologne. Right now I ve got no vehicle no idea if they will actually fix my car possibly infected with covid 19 and absolutely stinking of cologne. This is enough to say never again . If you made it this far. Thanks for reading. | Let s all say it together Refuse at Delivery | Trying to decide between a Model Y and a German SUV. These stories are making my decision a whole lot easier. Maybe by the time I m ready for another new vehicle Tesla will have customer service (and QC) figured out. | 1,219 | 18 | 7,392 |
ic9bwm | 98 | Holding down the voice control button should activate Siri Google Assistant on the connected phone. I m sorry if this has been suggested here before I looked for it but didn t find a post like this. So - I wish Tesla would make the voice control button activate Siri Google Assistant on the connected phone by holding it down. We used to own a BMW i3 which did that. **Usage:** * Press: Activate Tesla Voice Control * Hold for \\~2 sec: Activate voice assistant on connected phone Video of this exact functionality showcased in a BMW: [https: youtu.be 5cRK\\_jtCXfs?t=29](https: youtu.be 5cRK_jtCXfs?t=29) This would be extremely useful especially because Tesla refuses to support Carplay Android Auto. | Yeah really all cars with voice buttons should work this way. Although ideally I d rather they also supported wireless CarPlay android auto natively! | Absolutely agree. Love the idea of holding down the button to activate Siri Google Assistant (while still allowing a simple press to activate Tesla voice control). I m not a big fan of “Hey Siri” due to false positives but I d still love to be able to use Siri for commands that the Tesla voice control just can t do. This includes controlling Apple Music recording reminders etc. | 36 | 4 | 7,393 |
ic9bwm | 98 | Holding down the voice control button should activate Siri Google Assistant on the connected phone. I m sorry if this has been suggested here before I looked for it but didn t find a post like this. So - I wish Tesla would make the voice control button activate Siri Google Assistant on the connected phone by holding it down. We used to own a BMW i3 which did that. **Usage:** * Press: Activate Tesla Voice Control * Hold for \\~2 sec: Activate voice assistant on connected phone Video of this exact functionality showcased in a BMW: [https: youtu.be 5cRK\\_jtCXfs?t=29](https: youtu.be 5cRK_jtCXfs?t=29) This would be extremely useful especially because Tesla refuses to support Carplay Android Auto. | Yeah really all cars with voice buttons should work this way. Although ideally I d rather they also supported wireless CarPlay android auto natively! | One can just say Hey Google Siri can they not? How would a two-second button press be extremely useful beyond that? | 36 | 5 | 7,394 |
ic9qar | 416 | Tesla Horror Stories - Bottom line refuse defective cars I finally got my Tesla Model X mid June. Ordering it was easy. Delivery was on time. The delivery leader or whatever she was called seemed out of the loop which didnt really bother me (she didnt know when my car was being delivered as it seems happens a lot as logistics are wrong.) Thankfully there was nothing I found defective. 1 month in and around 1k miles the front tire has a bubble. I scheduled and went in for the appointment where it was fixed. I was then told I owed them 500$. These wheels cost 5.5k$ and are brand new I noted this should be warranty covered. They stated since this is obvious road hazard damage it is not warrantied. The warranty for this tire expressly states the tire is covered INCLUDING road hazards. The service manager was on vacation and no one else in authority knew what to do so he would call me back in 3 days when he returned. (I still have not had a returned phone call.) I left refusing to pay but they charged my credit card (on file) any way! Because I didnt sign anything it was easy to dispute but what a joke! Tesla stories are no joke. The customer service reps just direct you to stores and the store folks have limited or no information or authority to act. I love the car but hesitate to encourage people to buy. I think I have also learned to warn if the car is damaged on delivery refuse delivery. Their promise to fix it may lead you to trouble as they cannot maintain repairs or loaners currently. Then you see stories where the repair list mysteriously disappears and people have to fight for repairs on a brand new car. 100k for a car and this I cant even get a call back or corporate knowledgeable person on the phone? Come on Elon. Come. On. | Customer service is bad but it s rarely the topic in interviews with Elon. If you guys want better service make louder noise. Everyone just fascinates with the progress Tesla makes so of course service doesn t take center stage. | I don t think I ve ever heard of a tire bubble being the result of manufacturing defect but I m just some asshole on the internet. | 171 | 10 | 7,395 |
ic9qar | 416 | Tesla Horror Stories - Bottom line refuse defective cars I finally got my Tesla Model X mid June. Ordering it was easy. Delivery was on time. The delivery leader or whatever she was called seemed out of the loop which didnt really bother me (she didnt know when my car was being delivered as it seems happens a lot as logistics are wrong.) Thankfully there was nothing I found defective. 1 month in and around 1k miles the front tire has a bubble. I scheduled and went in for the appointment where it was fixed. I was then told I owed them 500$. These wheels cost 5.5k$ and are brand new I noted this should be warranty covered. They stated since this is obvious road hazard damage it is not warrantied. The warranty for this tire expressly states the tire is covered INCLUDING road hazards. The service manager was on vacation and no one else in authority knew what to do so he would call me back in 3 days when he returned. (I still have not had a returned phone call.) I left refusing to pay but they charged my credit card (on file) any way! Because I didnt sign anything it was easy to dispute but what a joke! Tesla stories are no joke. The customer service reps just direct you to stores and the store folks have limited or no information or authority to act. I love the car but hesitate to encourage people to buy. I think I have also learned to warn if the car is damaged on delivery refuse delivery. Their promise to fix it may lead you to trouble as they cannot maintain repairs or loaners currently. Then you see stories where the repair list mysteriously disappears and people have to fight for repairs on a brand new car. 100k for a car and this I cant even get a call back or corporate knowledgeable person on the phone? Come on Elon. Come. On. | Customer service is bad but it s rarely the topic in interviews with Elon. If you guys want better service make louder noise. Everyone just fascinates with the progress Tesla makes so of course service doesn t take center stage. | I m a bit confused this was a bubble on the tire right? What has the price of the wheel got to do with it? Finally do you actually *have* experience of a car defective at delivery or are you just talking about other people s horror stories? I agree that they shouldn t have charged you for the tire. They should have passed the cost to Pirelli. ( in my experience Pirelli tires perform well but can be hit or miss on QA) | 171 | 13 | 7,396 |
ic9qar | 416 | Tesla Horror Stories - Bottom line refuse defective cars I finally got my Tesla Model X mid June. Ordering it was easy. Delivery was on time. The delivery leader or whatever she was called seemed out of the loop which didnt really bother me (she didnt know when my car was being delivered as it seems happens a lot as logistics are wrong.) Thankfully there was nothing I found defective. 1 month in and around 1k miles the front tire has a bubble. I scheduled and went in for the appointment where it was fixed. I was then told I owed them 500$. These wheels cost 5.5k$ and are brand new I noted this should be warranty covered. They stated since this is obvious road hazard damage it is not warrantied. The warranty for this tire expressly states the tire is covered INCLUDING road hazards. The service manager was on vacation and no one else in authority knew what to do so he would call me back in 3 days when he returned. (I still have not had a returned phone call.) I left refusing to pay but they charged my credit card (on file) any way! Because I didnt sign anything it was easy to dispute but what a joke! Tesla stories are no joke. The customer service reps just direct you to stores and the store folks have limited or no information or authority to act. I love the car but hesitate to encourage people to buy. I think I have also learned to warn if the car is damaged on delivery refuse delivery. Their promise to fix it may lead you to trouble as they cannot maintain repairs or loaners currently. Then you see stories where the repair list mysteriously disappears and people have to fight for repairs on a brand new car. 100k for a car and this I cant even get a call back or corporate knowledgeable person on the phone? Come on Elon. Come. On. | Customer service is bad but it s rarely the topic in interviews with Elon. If you guys want better service make louder noise. Everyone just fascinates with the progress Tesla makes so of course service doesn t take center stage. | So what s the legal stance on them charging your credit card and not authorizing it? Same happened here for tires in the estimate to replace charged me and didn t replace the tires. 🤬 I filed a dispute with my credit card company. | 171 | 14 | 7,397 |
ichb23 | 165 | Terrific Service... for a change? So I m seeing a lot of poor service posts. Just coming fresh off a service visit this week on my new MY I figured I should post my experience. MY (vin:033xxx) came in pretty clean. Good lines good fit. I had a frunk closing problem and an irregular scratch on the rear panel that I figured would be easy fixes - nothing to refuse delivery over. The service was booked three days out. They not only fixed my issues but spotted several others I didn t notice - resulting in a new windshield a new UMC connector and additional auto detail work on areas I had no complaints about. I got the car back in much better shape than I was expecting. They even delivered the car back to me in person. The staff at Costa Mesa California did a great job. | I really enjoy reading customer service stories on here. We are not the best at it but there s some very interesting complaints on here. | Credit where credit is deserved. Awesome! | 51 | 7 | 7,398 |
ichb23 | 165 | Terrific Service... for a change? So I m seeing a lot of poor service posts. Just coming fresh off a service visit this week on my new MY I figured I should post my experience. MY (vin:033xxx) came in pretty clean. Good lines good fit. I had a frunk closing problem and an irregular scratch on the rear panel that I figured would be easy fixes - nothing to refuse delivery over. The service was booked three days out. They not only fixed my issues but spotted several others I didn t notice - resulting in a new windshield a new UMC connector and additional auto detail work on areas I had no complaints about. I got the car back in much better shape than I was expecting. They even delivered the car back to me in person. The staff at Costa Mesa California did a great job. | Internet does that: only the extremes publish with a strong bias for the negative. | Ditto here. Wife and I missed some issues on her M3. Mobile service (Denver) fixed it perfectly. Another issue we had we called and they spent an hour on the phone with us working it out. Very happy. | 32 | 5 | 7,399 |
icpntl | 121 | As someone who does not send their food back when the order is wrong because shy how do I properly refuse the car during delivery day? TLDR at the bottom. I am expecting delivery of the Y soon and I have a list of things I can inspect in on the car to see if it should be sent back should I refuse delivery. I am nervous because of all the negative reviews people have been posting on this sub. I want some help on what should I do if and when I find something wrong with the car. For someone who is very shy I never send back food or complain that my friend didn t pay me back enough money that they borrowed or return a shirt I bought from amazon because it was the wrong size. The first and only car that I actually bought I ended up paying $3k more because I didn t know how to negotiate haggle. Much of this is because I am introverted anxious and just feel like I am being rude. A little bit of it is because I am also lazy I don t want to get through all the trouble just to get something small fixed to what I want. When I was young it was my mother who would take care of things. Now I just have me. However you guys all know this thing isn t just a $20 shirt or a $12 food. I will be sinking $60k into this car so I actually want what I ordered. I have always wanted a tesla and now that it is in within my reach I am getting more nervous every day when I see a bad review. I was wondering if you guys have any advice on what I should say do should I refuse delivery of my car. I want to be assertive but not sound like an entitled a\\*\\*hole. Everyone keeps saying refuse at delivery but I actually don t understand how that works. Should I just literally turn around and walk away? Should I say a few things? Tell em a piece of my mind? Should I call my mom to do it for me? But in all seriousness I would like some help on what I should do at the door. I am hoping and praying I don t need to do this but at the very least I want to be prepared. I haven t seen it posted here so I thought I should give it a shot. If we get enough replies people can also use this thread if they are someone like me. & #x200B **TLDR:** I am a shy person and I was wondering if you have tips on how to refuse my car on delivery. | I refused my first Model Y. The trunk wouldn t open and was obviously repainted with touch up paint. Inspected before looking at paperwork. I just said I am not taking this car. They went back inside the sales manager talked to me apologized for the state of the car and said he would match me to a new VIN as soon as possible. 3 weeks later I took delivery of a new not messed up Model Y. | Food is a totally separate issue generally these cost you between $15-30. You re buying a car and spending over $40k If you complain about the quality of your car it s not like someone s going to spit in your car and give it back to you unlike being worried about complaining about a meal and them doing something to your food because you complain. | 99 | 3 | 7,400 |
icpntl | 121 | As someone who does not send their food back when the order is wrong because shy how do I properly refuse the car during delivery day? TLDR at the bottom. I am expecting delivery of the Y soon and I have a list of things I can inspect in on the car to see if it should be sent back should I refuse delivery. I am nervous because of all the negative reviews people have been posting on this sub. I want some help on what should I do if and when I find something wrong with the car. For someone who is very shy I never send back food or complain that my friend didn t pay me back enough money that they borrowed or return a shirt I bought from amazon because it was the wrong size. The first and only car that I actually bought I ended up paying $3k more because I didn t know how to negotiate haggle. Much of this is because I am introverted anxious and just feel like I am being rude. A little bit of it is because I am also lazy I don t want to get through all the trouble just to get something small fixed to what I want. When I was young it was my mother who would take care of things. Now I just have me. However you guys all know this thing isn t just a $20 shirt or a $12 food. I will be sinking $60k into this car so I actually want what I ordered. I have always wanted a tesla and now that it is in within my reach I am getting more nervous every day when I see a bad review. I was wondering if you guys have any advice on what I should say do should I refuse delivery of my car. I want to be assertive but not sound like an entitled a\\*\\*hole. Everyone keeps saying refuse at delivery but I actually don t understand how that works. Should I just literally turn around and walk away? Should I say a few things? Tell em a piece of my mind? Should I call my mom to do it for me? But in all seriousness I would like some help on what I should do at the door. I am hoping and praying I don t need to do this but at the very least I want to be prepared. I haven t seen it posted here so I thought I should give it a shot. If we get enough replies people can also use this thread if they are someone like me. & #x200B **TLDR:** I am a shy person and I was wondering if you have tips on how to refuse my car on delivery. | I refused my first Model Y. The trunk wouldn t open and was obviously repainted with touch up paint. Inspected before looking at paperwork. I just said I am not taking this car. They went back inside the sales manager talked to me apologized for the state of the car and said he would match me to a new VIN as soon as possible. 3 weeks later I took delivery of a new not messed up Model Y. | I am an immigrant. Where I am from i feel awkward returning food for example mostly because people are offended by it. In the US i feel fine sending back food because I feel like people are not really offended here by that. So I don t even feel bad at the end of the day when I return stuff. Just remember the 3k and keep that in the back of your mind when you inspect the car. That is a ton of money and imagine what you can do with it and 3k in hand is much better than not feeling awkward. | 99 | 4 | 7,401 |
icpntl | 121 | As someone who does not send their food back when the order is wrong because shy how do I properly refuse the car during delivery day? TLDR at the bottom. I am expecting delivery of the Y soon and I have a list of things I can inspect in on the car to see if it should be sent back should I refuse delivery. I am nervous because of all the negative reviews people have been posting on this sub. I want some help on what should I do if and when I find something wrong with the car. For someone who is very shy I never send back food or complain that my friend didn t pay me back enough money that they borrowed or return a shirt I bought from amazon because it was the wrong size. The first and only car that I actually bought I ended up paying $3k more because I didn t know how to negotiate haggle. Much of this is because I am introverted anxious and just feel like I am being rude. A little bit of it is because I am also lazy I don t want to get through all the trouble just to get something small fixed to what I want. When I was young it was my mother who would take care of things. Now I just have me. However you guys all know this thing isn t just a $20 shirt or a $12 food. I will be sinking $60k into this car so I actually want what I ordered. I have always wanted a tesla and now that it is in within my reach I am getting more nervous every day when I see a bad review. I was wondering if you guys have any advice on what I should say do should I refuse delivery of my car. I want to be assertive but not sound like an entitled a\\*\\*hole. Everyone keeps saying refuse at delivery but I actually don t understand how that works. Should I just literally turn around and walk away? Should I say a few things? Tell em a piece of my mind? Should I call my mom to do it for me? But in all seriousness I would like some help on what I should do at the door. I am hoping and praying I don t need to do this but at the very least I want to be prepared. I haven t seen it posted here so I thought I should give it a shot. If we get enough replies people can also use this thread if they are someone like me. & #x200B **TLDR:** I am a shy person and I was wondering if you have tips on how to refuse my car on delivery. | I refused my first Model Y. The trunk wouldn t open and was obviously repainted with touch up paint. Inspected before looking at paperwork. I just said I am not taking this car. They went back inside the sales manager talked to me apologized for the state of the car and said he would match me to a new VIN as soon as possible. 3 weeks later I took delivery of a new not messed up Model Y. | The fact that we have these kind of posts every day is pretty sad. | 99 | 4 | 7,402 |
icz5w5 | 223 | Mildew smell (HVAC cleaning) should be added to maintenance requirements Service centers now refuse to cover cost. First cleaning used to be good willed and might still be if you re lucky. After that every 6 months the smell seems to return. Tesla should just be upfront and add it to the maintainace requirements. That s $155 each visit. $310 a year to keep the car from like smelling a wet sock. The update that Tesla sent out that runs the cooling system after exiting the vehicle only seems to partially help. Mercedes has made the mistake of not covering this under warranty. Got sued and settled to reimburse all cost for such cleanings that occurred and occur both in the past and future. | Maybe someone should sue. I ve had this issue 3 times since I got the car a year ago and I feel like everyone else is constantly having that issue too | Tesla: Nah | 65 | 16 | 7,403 |
icz5w5 | 223 | Mildew smell (HVAC cleaning) should be added to maintenance requirements Service centers now refuse to cover cost. First cleaning used to be good willed and might still be if you re lucky. After that every 6 months the smell seems to return. Tesla should just be upfront and add it to the maintainace requirements. That s $155 each visit. $310 a year to keep the car from like smelling a wet sock. The update that Tesla sent out that runs the cooling system after exiting the vehicle only seems to partially help. Mercedes has made the mistake of not covering this under warranty. Got sued and settled to reimburse all cost for such cleanings that occurred and occur both in the past and future. | Maybe someone should sue. I ve had this issue 3 times since I got the car a year ago and I feel like everyone else is constantly having that issue too | Only way Tesla will cover is if someone files a class action lawsuit | 65 | 25 | 7,404 |
icz5w5 | 223 | Mildew smell (HVAC cleaning) should be added to maintenance requirements Service centers now refuse to cover cost. First cleaning used to be good willed and might still be if you re lucky. After that every 6 months the smell seems to return. Tesla should just be upfront and add it to the maintainace requirements. That s $155 each visit. $310 a year to keep the car from like smelling a wet sock. The update that Tesla sent out that runs the cooling system after exiting the vehicle only seems to partially help. Mercedes has made the mistake of not covering this under warranty. Got sued and settled to reimburse all cost for such cleanings that occurred and occur both in the past and future. | I had mine cleaned and now the smell is back again. I ve noticed it s worse if you drive short distances then let the car sit. Really detracts from the awesomeness of the car. | It could go either way. Let s say something does happen and Tesla has to offer it for free they could just take our cabin overheat protection with A C (the cause of it) just to prevent further maintenance | 44 | 6 | 7,405 |
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