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y01wwh | 54 | My car currently has 49 000 miles on it. If I pass 50 000 miles before the service appointment will it still be covered under warranty since the issue started to occur before the warranty expired? Powertrain requires service – vehicle speed and power may be limited intermittently limited between 45 and 65 mph. EDIT – 49 800 miles. EDIT – [Coverage confirmed](https: imgur.com a BKn7Eza)! | As long as you start the service ticket before your mileage is up you re good to go. Put as much info as possible for any other issues as well. | In Theory Tesla gets these notices - ?? or are they lost in the mass? On a strict interpretation unless the failure has been seen by Tesla before 50 000 miles = denial is possible. Many cases of IC cars held to this strict standard have been talked about. To be safe park the car until seen below the 50 000 mile warranty limit. | 73 | 9 | 9,906 |
y1ixnc | 91 | Manual Preconditioning I think there needs to be a feature to manually precondition the battery for 3rd party chargers. I know this isn t a new suggestion by after watching Out of Spec Motoring s video on the Lucid Air GT it s pretty nice to manually start preconditioning when you want and maybe if you don t want to since you are tight on range you can control that as well. | Whoa whoa whoa. Let‘s focus on the *really* important stuff first like removing parking sensors | Ingenext has modules that allow you to manually start stop precon (+ many other useful features). Google Ingenext Bonus Module and you ll see the list of features they offer. They also have Boost modules for LR cars and early production SR+ with the “980” rear motor. These modules add about 50hp and can cut down your 0-100 times by ~0.5s! | 110 | 10 | 9,907 |
y1ixnc | 91 | Manual Preconditioning I think there needs to be a feature to manually precondition the battery for 3rd party chargers. I know this isn t a new suggestion by after watching Out of Spec Motoring s video on the Lucid Air GT it s pretty nice to manually start preconditioning when you want and maybe if you don t want to since you are tight on range you can control that as well. | Whoa whoa whoa. Let‘s focus on the *really* important stuff first like removing parking sensors | > and maybe if you don t want to since you are tight on range you can control that as well Definitely this-- I m not sure it currently takes that into account in route planning. I had one tight-but-doable estimated trip turn into you re not going to make it right after it started preconditioning. After I cancelled the route to the charger and it stopped preconditioning I managed to get there with a hair left. Could be a weird marginal coincidence but it very much felt like it was the preconditioning kicking on is what tipped the estimate to impossible. | 110 | 14 | 9,908 |
y20pxm | 70 | Instead of HAL eye show live cam for Sentry mode. Hey Tesla how about instead of showing the HAL eye on the screen when Sentry Mode is triggered you show the live cam video of what is being recorded? There are a lot of people attempting to unplug or vandalize Teslas that do not know that Sentry is recording. Knowing you are on camera is a huge deterrent. | The Hal eye is discontinued. It s a portal turret now. Aka a sentry. | It s not a HAL eye by the way | 53 | 9 | 9,909 |
y20pxm | 70 | Instead of HAL eye show live cam for Sentry mode. Hey Tesla how about instead of showing the HAL eye on the screen when Sentry Mode is triggered you show the live cam video of what is being recorded? There are a lot of people attempting to unplug or vandalize Teslas that do not know that Sentry is recording. Knowing you are on camera is a huge deterrent. | The Hal eye is discontinued. It s a portal turret now. Aka a sentry. | Yes not sure because they will know where the cameras are and try to destroy them | 53 | 15 | 9,910 |
y2bwo8 | 740 | Things I wish my Model 3 had I have a 2020 M3P with over 50K miles on it and have driving across the USA several times and here is what I d like to see in no specific order or priority: \\- Bring back radar Vision SUCKS. Way more phantom braking events and autopilot slows down in foggy conditions when with radar it did not. Also radar would show cars in front of me 2 or 3 deep now with vision all I see is the one in front on my visualization screen. Although vision seems to do a better job at lane-keeping. So a hybrid radar vision might be best. It s so bad that I rarely use autopilot anymore because when I do I m always on edge ready to unintentionally brake check someone at a moment s notice. You know a function is badly designed when the user is incentivized to NOT use that function. One of the biggest reasons I and probably most people bought Tesla was because of autopilot and now it s degraded to the point of not using it. \\- Implement a dumb cruise control that only keeps the speed constant like every other car. I don t want phantom braking and making people angry behind me who think I brake checked them I don t want to slow down in foggy conditions or around curves I don t want lane keeping I don t want distance keeping I don t want 85 MPH to be my top limit. I just want the speed kept constant as if I had my foot on the accelerator and nothing else. \\- Allow switching of accelerations speeds by tapping the chill word just like tapping the battery changes it from % to miles. Or have different driving profiles available at the tap of a button like the M buttons on BMW M cars. I don t want to change my entire Driver profile to do this. \\- Fix the music UI where half the song s name and band can t be seen even though there is plenty of real estate in the music bar. Show the time time remaining in the song instead of just having the status bar at the bottom. \\- Allow us to turn on off the driver and passenger HVAC independently. I know you can change temps on both sides independently but sometimes I just want mine on when there is not passenger or when my passenger doesn t want air in their face without having to change the direction of the air flow every time. \\- Speaking of HVAC for the love of God get rid of that stupid SLIDER to change fan speed. It s thin and very hard to use while driving. It obviously didn t go through real world driving tests. Go back to having large + or – buttons to change it. In fact make all buttons large and easily accessible and get rid of any sliders anywhere. \\- Get rid of the auto-wipers and auto-high beams when in autopilot. I hate when I have no control over functions of the car. If vision requires both to be on then vision isn t good. Go back to radar and keep ultrasonics. \\- If possible give the M3P a slight acceleration boost even if at the top end. There used to be a large gap between the M3P and M3LR which is what distinguished the two and why people paid a premium for it. Track mode is a nice distinction but not enough. The acceleration boost for the LR was a money grab and diminished the value of the M3P. I know they don t want to eat into Model S sales but people who get the Model S X are probably more into the luxury aspect that pure speed (I could be wrong). \\- Go back to the Apple IOS style UI Icons and not this Android looking one. It doesn t fit the aesthetic of the car. \\- Allow customization of how many clicks a turn signal includes. 3 is way too short \\- Allow us to have different “styles” of UI. For example I could have a Road-trip style which increases the map size and gets rid of the 3D car animation. I could have a “simple” style which shows speed and gear and that s it. You get the idea. Many cars do this already by emphasizing speed or RPMs or oil pressures etc. on their digital displays with the click of a button. \\- In addition to Chill Normal Sport Ludicrous modes have a purely ECO one where all but necessary functions are turned off to maximize range and efficiency. \\- It was nice allowing us to change the color of our 3D model but if we added assets for aftermarket taillights or other wheels that would be cool. It could even be something others create and we can upload via thumb drive. It s weird to see my 3D model with the wrong wheels and taillights since I got both replaced. \\- Why is the walk-away door lock sound the horn honking? Tesla s have external speakers so make it a pleasant locking sound like other EVs do and not this loud obnoxious honk. Even the reverse humming sound is more pleasant than the honk. I hate coming home at night to my apartment and having my car honk. I could turn off the walk-away door honk but that isn t the point. I shouldn t have to not use a function because it sucks. That is indicative of the function itself needing fixing. \\- Allow retrofitting for powered frunk trunks new center console heated steering wheels and other upgrades just like they are doing with the CCS adapter. In fact my Tesla SC is installed the newer side repeaters because I asked them to. They don t suffer from the blinkers blinding them at night and have better low-light visibility. It s a $350 retrofit though. \\- Tesla needs to be more open to and more responsive when allowing other auto shops to buy Tesla parts. My go-to auto guy could not get certain parts from Tesla SC no matter how many times he reached out. But when I scheduled an appointment with the SC they magically had the parts ready to go. \\- STOP removing functions in a car I already paid for. This is the double-edged sword of OTA updates. We get more cool features and more power but on the flip side we lose some functionality like radar and ultrasonics. Imagine buying a cellphone with certain functions and later the manufacturer removes some of those functions even with the necessary hardware still installed. Now imagine some of those functions were big reasons you bought the cellphone. And you have no say in rejecting these updates or risk being out of warranty. Totally unacceptable for a $50k plus car. \\- If Tesla removes features in an update they should refund the owner for said removed functions. Like removing Alcantara headliner on later Model 3s. Now it s this cheap beige fabric garbage. Not “luxury” at all. Or removing radar ultrasonics. I paid for that hardware and functionality and dammit I want to use it. \\- Why are some features on my state-of-the-art electric vehicle not available that are available on some other cheap cars? Ventilated seats? 360-degree vision? Lowering the sound when a phone call comes in? \\- Need more factory paint options. 9 10 Teslas I see on the road are white and it s so damn boring and monotonous. Wraps are expensive and don t last forever. A full paint job is even more expensive. Overall amazing car in its totality literally revolutionary. I know all the above fixes can t and likely won t be changed but you never know. Some might be hardware and software limited in some way I m not aware of but then again I m not a Tesla engineer. This is coming from purely a user experience perspective. I m probably missing some things but feel free to add on. | This guy might be a little over the top and complaining about a few things that aren t that big of a deal but overall I agree. We paid $60 000 for the car and to remove or disable physical parts that we pay for is not cool. There are some things that were on my 2016 Ford edge that are not on my 2021 model Y which is insane since the model Y is triple the cost of what I paid for the edge The big things are we need the Blindspot light on the side of your mirrors it s way more accurate and way more dependable but most importantly it s faster to use that than to look at the screen look at the mirror look out the window look at the screen etc. before changing lanes and the Blindspot camera isn t even that great. Mine are washed out at night so it s basically unusable if it s not daytime The blind spot light is so easy I just don t get why it s not there. The next big thing is rear cross traffic alert we have these nice cameras but why is there a no cross traffic alert? My Ford Edge would beep and let me know if there was a car coming behind me when I was backing up the blind spot light on the mirror would also turn on from whatever direction the car behind me is coming from. Why is there no ventilated seats for the model 3 and Y? Again my 2016 Ford edge had that I don t get why my $60 000 Tesla doesn t have it. Where is the 360 view camera and a front camera we can use? Not to beat a dead horse but again my 2016 Ford edge had a front camera that had a button extremely accessible. Using it for parking I could see everything in front of me why Tesla doesn t have it? I ll never know. I love the car I m never going back to gas and I d likely stick with Tesla unless someone else comes out with something similar and better but some of these things are ridiculous to not have on a car that cost this much | What an iOS vs Android looking style UI? And how doesn t the current style fit the car? Adding a bunch of modes seems like it would just cause mor distracted driving. A Tesla has a lot of settings but typically you won t be changing them in the car. That s the point. Just because retrofitting works or can be done it doesn t mean it s worth the service center s time. Many are already booked. Also Tesla never removed alcantara from anyone s cars. | 237 | 5 | 9,911 |
y2bwo8 | 740 | Things I wish my Model 3 had I have a 2020 M3P with over 50K miles on it and have driving across the USA several times and here is what I d like to see in no specific order or priority: \\- Bring back radar Vision SUCKS. Way more phantom braking events and autopilot slows down in foggy conditions when with radar it did not. Also radar would show cars in front of me 2 or 3 deep now with vision all I see is the one in front on my visualization screen. Although vision seems to do a better job at lane-keeping. So a hybrid radar vision might be best. It s so bad that I rarely use autopilot anymore because when I do I m always on edge ready to unintentionally brake check someone at a moment s notice. You know a function is badly designed when the user is incentivized to NOT use that function. One of the biggest reasons I and probably most people bought Tesla was because of autopilot and now it s degraded to the point of not using it. \\- Implement a dumb cruise control that only keeps the speed constant like every other car. I don t want phantom braking and making people angry behind me who think I brake checked them I don t want to slow down in foggy conditions or around curves I don t want lane keeping I don t want distance keeping I don t want 85 MPH to be my top limit. I just want the speed kept constant as if I had my foot on the accelerator and nothing else. \\- Allow switching of accelerations speeds by tapping the chill word just like tapping the battery changes it from % to miles. Or have different driving profiles available at the tap of a button like the M buttons on BMW M cars. I don t want to change my entire Driver profile to do this. \\- Fix the music UI where half the song s name and band can t be seen even though there is plenty of real estate in the music bar. Show the time time remaining in the song instead of just having the status bar at the bottom. \\- Allow us to turn on off the driver and passenger HVAC independently. I know you can change temps on both sides independently but sometimes I just want mine on when there is not passenger or when my passenger doesn t want air in their face without having to change the direction of the air flow every time. \\- Speaking of HVAC for the love of God get rid of that stupid SLIDER to change fan speed. It s thin and very hard to use while driving. It obviously didn t go through real world driving tests. Go back to having large + or – buttons to change it. In fact make all buttons large and easily accessible and get rid of any sliders anywhere. \\- Get rid of the auto-wipers and auto-high beams when in autopilot. I hate when I have no control over functions of the car. If vision requires both to be on then vision isn t good. Go back to radar and keep ultrasonics. \\- If possible give the M3P a slight acceleration boost even if at the top end. There used to be a large gap between the M3P and M3LR which is what distinguished the two and why people paid a premium for it. Track mode is a nice distinction but not enough. The acceleration boost for the LR was a money grab and diminished the value of the M3P. I know they don t want to eat into Model S sales but people who get the Model S X are probably more into the luxury aspect that pure speed (I could be wrong). \\- Go back to the Apple IOS style UI Icons and not this Android looking one. It doesn t fit the aesthetic of the car. \\- Allow customization of how many clicks a turn signal includes. 3 is way too short \\- Allow us to have different “styles” of UI. For example I could have a Road-trip style which increases the map size and gets rid of the 3D car animation. I could have a “simple” style which shows speed and gear and that s it. You get the idea. Many cars do this already by emphasizing speed or RPMs or oil pressures etc. on their digital displays with the click of a button. \\- In addition to Chill Normal Sport Ludicrous modes have a purely ECO one where all but necessary functions are turned off to maximize range and efficiency. \\- It was nice allowing us to change the color of our 3D model but if we added assets for aftermarket taillights or other wheels that would be cool. It could even be something others create and we can upload via thumb drive. It s weird to see my 3D model with the wrong wheels and taillights since I got both replaced. \\- Why is the walk-away door lock sound the horn honking? Tesla s have external speakers so make it a pleasant locking sound like other EVs do and not this loud obnoxious honk. Even the reverse humming sound is more pleasant than the honk. I hate coming home at night to my apartment and having my car honk. I could turn off the walk-away door honk but that isn t the point. I shouldn t have to not use a function because it sucks. That is indicative of the function itself needing fixing. \\- Allow retrofitting for powered frunk trunks new center console heated steering wheels and other upgrades just like they are doing with the CCS adapter. In fact my Tesla SC is installed the newer side repeaters because I asked them to. They don t suffer from the blinkers blinding them at night and have better low-light visibility. It s a $350 retrofit though. \\- Tesla needs to be more open to and more responsive when allowing other auto shops to buy Tesla parts. My go-to auto guy could not get certain parts from Tesla SC no matter how many times he reached out. But when I scheduled an appointment with the SC they magically had the parts ready to go. \\- STOP removing functions in a car I already paid for. This is the double-edged sword of OTA updates. We get more cool features and more power but on the flip side we lose some functionality like radar and ultrasonics. Imagine buying a cellphone with certain functions and later the manufacturer removes some of those functions even with the necessary hardware still installed. Now imagine some of those functions were big reasons you bought the cellphone. And you have no say in rejecting these updates or risk being out of warranty. Totally unacceptable for a $50k plus car. \\- If Tesla removes features in an update they should refund the owner for said removed functions. Like removing Alcantara headliner on later Model 3s. Now it s this cheap beige fabric garbage. Not “luxury” at all. Or removing radar ultrasonics. I paid for that hardware and functionality and dammit I want to use it. \\- Why are some features on my state-of-the-art electric vehicle not available that are available on some other cheap cars? Ventilated seats? 360-degree vision? Lowering the sound when a phone call comes in? \\- Need more factory paint options. 9 10 Teslas I see on the road are white and it s so damn boring and monotonous. Wraps are expensive and don t last forever. A full paint job is even more expensive. Overall amazing car in its totality literally revolutionary. I know all the above fixes can t and likely won t be changed but you never know. Some might be hardware and software limited in some way I m not aware of but then again I m not a Tesla engineer. This is coming from purely a user experience perspective. I m probably missing some things but feel free to add on. | This guy might be a little over the top and complaining about a few things that aren t that big of a deal but overall I agree. We paid $60 000 for the car and to remove or disable physical parts that we pay for is not cool. There are some things that were on my 2016 Ford edge that are not on my 2021 model Y which is insane since the model Y is triple the cost of what I paid for the edge The big things are we need the Blindspot light on the side of your mirrors it s way more accurate and way more dependable but most importantly it s faster to use that than to look at the screen look at the mirror look out the window look at the screen etc. before changing lanes and the Blindspot camera isn t even that great. Mine are washed out at night so it s basically unusable if it s not daytime The blind spot light is so easy I just don t get why it s not there. The next big thing is rear cross traffic alert we have these nice cameras but why is there a no cross traffic alert? My Ford Edge would beep and let me know if there was a car coming behind me when I was backing up the blind spot light on the mirror would also turn on from whatever direction the car behind me is coming from. Why is there no ventilated seats for the model 3 and Y? Again my 2016 Ford edge had that I don t get why my $60 000 Tesla doesn t have it. Where is the 360 view camera and a front camera we can use? Not to beat a dead horse but again my 2016 Ford edge had a front camera that had a button extremely accessible. Using it for parking I could see everything in front of me why Tesla doesn t have it? I ll never know. I love the car I m never going back to gas and I d likely stick with Tesla unless someone else comes out with something similar and better but some of these things are ridiculous to not have on a car that cost this much | As I live somewhere where it rains a lot top of my list would be a rear wiper. | 237 | 20 | 9,912 |
y2bwo8 | 740 | Things I wish my Model 3 had I have a 2020 M3P with over 50K miles on it and have driving across the USA several times and here is what I d like to see in no specific order or priority: \\- Bring back radar Vision SUCKS. Way more phantom braking events and autopilot slows down in foggy conditions when with radar it did not. Also radar would show cars in front of me 2 or 3 deep now with vision all I see is the one in front on my visualization screen. Although vision seems to do a better job at lane-keeping. So a hybrid radar vision might be best. It s so bad that I rarely use autopilot anymore because when I do I m always on edge ready to unintentionally brake check someone at a moment s notice. You know a function is badly designed when the user is incentivized to NOT use that function. One of the biggest reasons I and probably most people bought Tesla was because of autopilot and now it s degraded to the point of not using it. \\- Implement a dumb cruise control that only keeps the speed constant like every other car. I don t want phantom braking and making people angry behind me who think I brake checked them I don t want to slow down in foggy conditions or around curves I don t want lane keeping I don t want distance keeping I don t want 85 MPH to be my top limit. I just want the speed kept constant as if I had my foot on the accelerator and nothing else. \\- Allow switching of accelerations speeds by tapping the chill word just like tapping the battery changes it from % to miles. Or have different driving profiles available at the tap of a button like the M buttons on BMW M cars. I don t want to change my entire Driver profile to do this. \\- Fix the music UI where half the song s name and band can t be seen even though there is plenty of real estate in the music bar. Show the time time remaining in the song instead of just having the status bar at the bottom. \\- Allow us to turn on off the driver and passenger HVAC independently. I know you can change temps on both sides independently but sometimes I just want mine on when there is not passenger or when my passenger doesn t want air in their face without having to change the direction of the air flow every time. \\- Speaking of HVAC for the love of God get rid of that stupid SLIDER to change fan speed. It s thin and very hard to use while driving. It obviously didn t go through real world driving tests. Go back to having large + or – buttons to change it. In fact make all buttons large and easily accessible and get rid of any sliders anywhere. \\- Get rid of the auto-wipers and auto-high beams when in autopilot. I hate when I have no control over functions of the car. If vision requires both to be on then vision isn t good. Go back to radar and keep ultrasonics. \\- If possible give the M3P a slight acceleration boost even if at the top end. There used to be a large gap between the M3P and M3LR which is what distinguished the two and why people paid a premium for it. Track mode is a nice distinction but not enough. The acceleration boost for the LR was a money grab and diminished the value of the M3P. I know they don t want to eat into Model S sales but people who get the Model S X are probably more into the luxury aspect that pure speed (I could be wrong). \\- Go back to the Apple IOS style UI Icons and not this Android looking one. It doesn t fit the aesthetic of the car. \\- Allow customization of how many clicks a turn signal includes. 3 is way too short \\- Allow us to have different “styles” of UI. For example I could have a Road-trip style which increases the map size and gets rid of the 3D car animation. I could have a “simple” style which shows speed and gear and that s it. You get the idea. Many cars do this already by emphasizing speed or RPMs or oil pressures etc. on their digital displays with the click of a button. \\- In addition to Chill Normal Sport Ludicrous modes have a purely ECO one where all but necessary functions are turned off to maximize range and efficiency. \\- It was nice allowing us to change the color of our 3D model but if we added assets for aftermarket taillights or other wheels that would be cool. It could even be something others create and we can upload via thumb drive. It s weird to see my 3D model with the wrong wheels and taillights since I got both replaced. \\- Why is the walk-away door lock sound the horn honking? Tesla s have external speakers so make it a pleasant locking sound like other EVs do and not this loud obnoxious honk. Even the reverse humming sound is more pleasant than the honk. I hate coming home at night to my apartment and having my car honk. I could turn off the walk-away door honk but that isn t the point. I shouldn t have to not use a function because it sucks. That is indicative of the function itself needing fixing. \\- Allow retrofitting for powered frunk trunks new center console heated steering wheels and other upgrades just like they are doing with the CCS adapter. In fact my Tesla SC is installed the newer side repeaters because I asked them to. They don t suffer from the blinkers blinding them at night and have better low-light visibility. It s a $350 retrofit though. \\- Tesla needs to be more open to and more responsive when allowing other auto shops to buy Tesla parts. My go-to auto guy could not get certain parts from Tesla SC no matter how many times he reached out. But when I scheduled an appointment with the SC they magically had the parts ready to go. \\- STOP removing functions in a car I already paid for. This is the double-edged sword of OTA updates. We get more cool features and more power but on the flip side we lose some functionality like radar and ultrasonics. Imagine buying a cellphone with certain functions and later the manufacturer removes some of those functions even with the necessary hardware still installed. Now imagine some of those functions were big reasons you bought the cellphone. And you have no say in rejecting these updates or risk being out of warranty. Totally unacceptable for a $50k plus car. \\- If Tesla removes features in an update they should refund the owner for said removed functions. Like removing Alcantara headliner on later Model 3s. Now it s this cheap beige fabric garbage. Not “luxury” at all. Or removing radar ultrasonics. I paid for that hardware and functionality and dammit I want to use it. \\- Why are some features on my state-of-the-art electric vehicle not available that are available on some other cheap cars? Ventilated seats? 360-degree vision? Lowering the sound when a phone call comes in? \\- Need more factory paint options. 9 10 Teslas I see on the road are white and it s so damn boring and monotonous. Wraps are expensive and don t last forever. A full paint job is even more expensive. Overall amazing car in its totality literally revolutionary. I know all the above fixes can t and likely won t be changed but you never know. Some might be hardware and software limited in some way I m not aware of but then again I m not a Tesla engineer. This is coming from purely a user experience perspective. I m probably missing some things but feel free to add on. | This guy might be a little over the top and complaining about a few things that aren t that big of a deal but overall I agree. We paid $60 000 for the car and to remove or disable physical parts that we pay for is not cool. There are some things that were on my 2016 Ford edge that are not on my 2021 model Y which is insane since the model Y is triple the cost of what I paid for the edge The big things are we need the Blindspot light on the side of your mirrors it s way more accurate and way more dependable but most importantly it s faster to use that than to look at the screen look at the mirror look out the window look at the screen etc. before changing lanes and the Blindspot camera isn t even that great. Mine are washed out at night so it s basically unusable if it s not daytime The blind spot light is so easy I just don t get why it s not there. The next big thing is rear cross traffic alert we have these nice cameras but why is there a no cross traffic alert? My Ford Edge would beep and let me know if there was a car coming behind me when I was backing up the blind spot light on the mirror would also turn on from whatever direction the car behind me is coming from. Why is there no ventilated seats for the model 3 and Y? Again my 2016 Ford edge had that I don t get why my $60 000 Tesla doesn t have it. Where is the 360 view camera and a front camera we can use? Not to beat a dead horse but again my 2016 Ford edge had a front camera that had a button extremely accessible. Using it for parking I could see everything in front of me why Tesla doesn t have it? I ll never know. I love the car I m never going back to gas and I d likely stick with Tesla unless someone else comes out with something similar and better but some of these things are ridiculous to not have on a car that cost this much | Everything here. Well said! | 237 | 32 | 9,913 |
y2h9ij | 295 | Tesla Vision is a major regression on Model Y I realize this has been talked about a bit but just wanted to share my experiences. I have an early 2020 Model Y with enhanced autopilot. I drive quite a bit for work and have put over 72k miles on my Model Y. I have autopilot engaged probably over 90% of the time because most of my driving is on the interstate. A few weeks ago I got the Tesla Vision update. Tesla Vision has provided no discernible advantage and has a lot of issues compared to the radar based system: * Further follow distance. I am not sure why they haven t just renamed 2 to 1. It seems weird that it s not possible to set the follow distance to 1 under any conditions. * Speed limited to 85 mph. This is the one thing that doesn t really affect me as over 85 mph is considered reckless driving in my state. * Automatic wipers required. My windshield was a bit dirty on the hour long drive home on a clear day yesterday and the wipers refused to turn off. Tried cleaning with the washer fluid without success. * Automatic high beams required. The automatic high beams work horribly while driving on the interstate. They are tripped up by the simplest things like highway signs. I am basically constantly flashing my high beams unless I am in heavy traffic (in which case they stay off). I am legitimately concerned the police are going to pull me over for this. * Autopilot can no longer reliably see two cars ahead. This was actually a fairly useful feature. For instance if there was a large car in front of me driving slow in the left lane it would help me determine whether it was just that one car (so I could easily undertake) or multiple cars. * Autopilot and cruise control can no longer be used in fog. This is the most egregious limitation. My commute to work is through the Blue Ridge mountains. Fog is frequent. There was one week where I didn t make it to work a single day without autopilot disengaging due to fog. I have not noticed any improvement in Autopilot performance with Vision. I still have the same issues I ve always had including poor lane changing performance and poor speed choices on ramps (either too slow or too fast). I have not experienced much phantom braking but I also didn t have many issues with phantom braking before the Vision update. What s especially worrisome is that it s not even winter yet which typically means more fogging of my windshield and more fog in the mountains. I am also dreading now the inevitable removal of the ultrasonic sensor information. To this day I would still prefer the firmware that came with my car when I bought it in early 2020. I still love my Tesla and love having an electric car but I am very excited about the german automakers catching up. I plan to drive my Model Y into the ground but if this trend continues I will happily switch to another maker for my next car. | You can disable auto high beams by pushing forward on the left stalk. It shouldn t be necessary of course | What versions are you on? I don t drive one myself but I ve seen multiple people saying that the newest version(s) it improved a lot from what you describe | 97 | 2 | 9,914 |
y2h9ij | 295 | Tesla Vision is a major regression on Model Y I realize this has been talked about a bit but just wanted to share my experiences. I have an early 2020 Model Y with enhanced autopilot. I drive quite a bit for work and have put over 72k miles on my Model Y. I have autopilot engaged probably over 90% of the time because most of my driving is on the interstate. A few weeks ago I got the Tesla Vision update. Tesla Vision has provided no discernible advantage and has a lot of issues compared to the radar based system: * Further follow distance. I am not sure why they haven t just renamed 2 to 1. It seems weird that it s not possible to set the follow distance to 1 under any conditions. * Speed limited to 85 mph. This is the one thing that doesn t really affect me as over 85 mph is considered reckless driving in my state. * Automatic wipers required. My windshield was a bit dirty on the hour long drive home on a clear day yesterday and the wipers refused to turn off. Tried cleaning with the washer fluid without success. * Automatic high beams required. The automatic high beams work horribly while driving on the interstate. They are tripped up by the simplest things like highway signs. I am basically constantly flashing my high beams unless I am in heavy traffic (in which case they stay off). I am legitimately concerned the police are going to pull me over for this. * Autopilot can no longer reliably see two cars ahead. This was actually a fairly useful feature. For instance if there was a large car in front of me driving slow in the left lane it would help me determine whether it was just that one car (so I could easily undertake) or multiple cars. * Autopilot and cruise control can no longer be used in fog. This is the most egregious limitation. My commute to work is through the Blue Ridge mountains. Fog is frequent. There was one week where I didn t make it to work a single day without autopilot disengaging due to fog. I have not noticed any improvement in Autopilot performance with Vision. I still have the same issues I ve always had including poor lane changing performance and poor speed choices on ramps (either too slow or too fast). I have not experienced much phantom braking but I also didn t have many issues with phantom braking before the Vision update. What s especially worrisome is that it s not even winter yet which typically means more fogging of my windshield and more fog in the mountains. I am also dreading now the inevitable removal of the ultrasonic sensor information. To this day I would still prefer the firmware that came with my car when I bought it in early 2020. I still love my Tesla and love having an electric car but I am very excited about the german automakers catching up. I plan to drive my Model Y into the ground but if this trend continues I will happily switch to another maker for my next car. | You can disable auto high beams by pushing forward on the left stalk. It shouldn t be necessary of course | I agree with everything. I think they don t change the name because I think they mean the seconds behind the car in front of you. But I could be wrong. Either way light Show on the go must go. | 97 | 11 | 9,915 |
y2h9ij | 295 | Tesla Vision is a major regression on Model Y I realize this has been talked about a bit but just wanted to share my experiences. I have an early 2020 Model Y with enhanced autopilot. I drive quite a bit for work and have put over 72k miles on my Model Y. I have autopilot engaged probably over 90% of the time because most of my driving is on the interstate. A few weeks ago I got the Tesla Vision update. Tesla Vision has provided no discernible advantage and has a lot of issues compared to the radar based system: * Further follow distance. I am not sure why they haven t just renamed 2 to 1. It seems weird that it s not possible to set the follow distance to 1 under any conditions. * Speed limited to 85 mph. This is the one thing that doesn t really affect me as over 85 mph is considered reckless driving in my state. * Automatic wipers required. My windshield was a bit dirty on the hour long drive home on a clear day yesterday and the wipers refused to turn off. Tried cleaning with the washer fluid without success. * Automatic high beams required. The automatic high beams work horribly while driving on the interstate. They are tripped up by the simplest things like highway signs. I am basically constantly flashing my high beams unless I am in heavy traffic (in which case they stay off). I am legitimately concerned the police are going to pull me over for this. * Autopilot can no longer reliably see two cars ahead. This was actually a fairly useful feature. For instance if there was a large car in front of me driving slow in the left lane it would help me determine whether it was just that one car (so I could easily undertake) or multiple cars. * Autopilot and cruise control can no longer be used in fog. This is the most egregious limitation. My commute to work is through the Blue Ridge mountains. Fog is frequent. There was one week where I didn t make it to work a single day without autopilot disengaging due to fog. I have not noticed any improvement in Autopilot performance with Vision. I still have the same issues I ve always had including poor lane changing performance and poor speed choices on ramps (either too slow or too fast). I have not experienced much phantom braking but I also didn t have many issues with phantom braking before the Vision update. What s especially worrisome is that it s not even winter yet which typically means more fogging of my windshield and more fog in the mountains. I am also dreading now the inevitable removal of the ultrasonic sensor information. To this day I would still prefer the firmware that came with my car when I bought it in early 2020. I still love my Tesla and love having an electric car but I am very excited about the german automakers catching up. I plan to drive my Model Y into the ground but if this trend continues I will happily switch to another maker for my next car. | This isn t just pissing off current owners it s pissing off everyone else on the road and if anyone ever asks if I d recommend a Tesla at the moment I say no. | What versions are you on? I don t drive one myself but I ve seen multiple people saying that the newest version(s) it improved a lot from what you describe | 51 | 2 | 9,916 |
y2tnwj | 223 | With the absence of ultrasonics how will Tesla measure depth when stationary without stereoscopic vision I understand that when the car is moving it s easy(ish) to calculate relative depth but i pose to you a scenario where a car is towed to a new location and is unaware of any previous context or depth mappings. Or an object is placed behind the car while it is asleep. With a single reverse camera and no movement of the car how does it know not to reverse into an object with only a single camera for all it knows it could be in-front of a billboard. Even FaceID requires you to move your head around in order to build a depth map. While I agree that a vision only approach is a great goal to aim for. Surely relying on a vision only approach with only single cameras is risky in low speed manoeuvres. | How will it ever judge how close the front bumper is to the back garage wall as you pull in if the cameras can t see below the hood. That s what I want to know. | Answer is that short term they can probably address it via training data. But the solution won t be great. Long term IMHO they will probably add stereo cameras front and rear which will improve vision and redundancy. | 127 | 2 | 9,917 |
y2tnwj | 223 | With the absence of ultrasonics how will Tesla measure depth when stationary without stereoscopic vision I understand that when the car is moving it s easy(ish) to calculate relative depth but i pose to you a scenario where a car is towed to a new location and is unaware of any previous context or depth mappings. Or an object is placed behind the car while it is asleep. With a single reverse camera and no movement of the car how does it know not to reverse into an object with only a single camera for all it knows it could be in-front of a billboard. Even FaceID requires you to move your head around in order to build a depth map. While I agree that a vision only approach is a great goal to aim for. Surely relying on a vision only approach with only single cameras is risky in low speed manoeuvres. | How will it ever judge how close the front bumper is to the back garage wall as you pull in if the cameras can t see below the hood. That s what I want to know. | Object persistence. You can get depth information if you evaluate several images while the car is moving. With the information on car position (via the wheel sensors) you can even get appropriate warnings about stuff that is no longer within the view of the cameras. With ultrasound you can t really play object persistence because the distances before it gives a good feedback is too low. I.e. with ultrasound you re always analyzing the return image without memory | 127 | 3 | 9,918 |
y2tnwj | 223 | With the absence of ultrasonics how will Tesla measure depth when stationary without stereoscopic vision I understand that when the car is moving it s easy(ish) to calculate relative depth but i pose to you a scenario where a car is towed to a new location and is unaware of any previous context or depth mappings. Or an object is placed behind the car while it is asleep. With a single reverse camera and no movement of the car how does it know not to reverse into an object with only a single camera for all it knows it could be in-front of a billboard. Even FaceID requires you to move your head around in order to build a depth map. While I agree that a vision only approach is a great goal to aim for. Surely relying on a vision only approach with only single cameras is risky in low speed manoeuvres. | How will it ever judge how close the front bumper is to the back garage wall as you pull in if the cameras can t see below the hood. That s what I want to know. | It s a shame that Elon didn t ask everyone first. They probably didn t do any data analysis or testing and just went for it. | 127 | 3 | 9,919 |
y38smd | 110 | Super meta post from the mods view. Below I copy and paste the links. I made them like that for the people on mobile so they can see the link before clicking on it. Otherwise I would have made it look nice. This post is a what s going on like we have done in the past. The questions that are being posted to the sub have gone up so much that we are starting to see a trend. NEW OWNERS DO NOT READ THE MANUAL. RTFM! You might be thinking what are they talking about? I don t see any questions or not a lot of them. Well keep on reading and you ll know why. _____ Here is Tesla s support page. https: www.tesla.com support _____ I will be going over two handfuls of things that have been asked a lot over the past three or so months. What is this tag for? What is this? Why do I have this? Can I cut this tag off? https: imgur.com a akZloSU That tag should not be cut. Do not cut the tag. See below links for why. Yes I am making you read. Model Y https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads Model_Y_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf Model 3 https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads 2017_Model_3_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf Model S https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads 2016_Model_S_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf Model X https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads 2016_Model_X_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf _____ We do approve some questions. You can read more here about the questions that are not approved and what happens to the questions. https: imgur.com a QXh9dYl (this was posted on the Lounge) On to the next question! _____ This hook https: imgur.com a UqdnBni That is for a hanger or anything you want to hang on that. Yes we have seen this type of question more than once. _____ For people talking about tires and what to do because “it s a Tesla” and somehow different from other cars here is your link https: www.tesla.com support results?search=tires They are just tires. Go to some place and make sure they know about the jack pads and ask if they have jacked up a Tesla before. Here is a screenshot from Tesla s support page. https: imgur.com a 3ZCtnEp I keep on getting flats punctured tires. My tesla sucks I have never had a problem with my other cars in the past with so many flats. Do you have the sport wheels? They have less room to give. Do you run things over? This is a given. Do you hit pot holes? Hitting potholes with sport wheels is very bad. Hitting potholes with non sport wheels is also bad but you can sometimes get away with it. Do you keep your tire pressure at the right levels? Tesla s are heavy and they need to have the right PSI. _____ Deliveries…. The posts about deliveries and them forcing me to take the car or I lose it. HOW DARE THEY SELL ME A CAR THAT I PUT AN ORDER IN AND MONEY DOWN ON FOR. Shut up and take the car. If you want to wait for whatever tax is going to happen then cancel the order and reorder. Someone else will be happy to take your spot car. This is also the wrong place to ask about taxes credits incentives. We are not tax people this sub is not for that. We have no idea how much you make or how much you would owe or what your finances are. So we have no idea if you will be eligible. Talk to a tax guy. No you can not give your spot to someone else. No you can not transfer the spot to someone else. No you can not whatever else you are thinking. Two options. Take the car or don t. Going forward no more posts about Tesla forcing you to take delivery. This is the last post that will be approved. https: imgur.com a 16JgoWO Sucks that we need to not talk about delivery things but it just leads to a dark hole of nothing good. Comments are ugly and no one upvotes it. From all this we have guessed that no one wants to see these. (I don t want to see these as well) If you are out of state or someplace that you can not pick up the car then that just sucks and it does suck that Tesla will not hold the car for you but they are treating everyone the same. Can t pick up the car well then you have to cancel your order. They are very A or B. There is no C. The reason why they are this way is because of the people that bitch and cry about Tesla dropping the price and having to hand back money because of the out cry. If you are part of the give me my money back and jumping on that train this is on you. I say this because Tesla will not mess up again when it comes to those types of things. They will treat everyone the same. It s a Yes or No. 1 or 2. A or B. _____ Charging… Charging at home. Can I add. Can my panel… These questions are just the wrong place to ask. I understand that when you post to the sub and you are researching by doing so but Google is also very good at doing this. I also heard that talking to an electrician is a good idea. If you are looking to educate yourself then here is going to be a TLDR. I have installed many 14-50s and wall connectors. Before I give the TLDR they are not called chargers. A wall connector is called a wall connector. The charger is inside the car already. 14-50s need 4 wires. Wall connectors need 3 wires. 14-50 outlets and wall connectors are very easy to install. It just takes time to get the wires to the place you need them. I would recommend when getting a wall connector installed to get the 14-50 wires run. It will be one extra wire but it will save you in the end and allow you to remove the wall connector and install a 14-50 outlet. When running these cables ask the person that is doing this to have a pull box above or some place close to the wall connector to keep the 4th wire that is not needed. This also helps if the wall connector takes a shit and is no longer working. You can then have that extra wire run and install a 14-50 outlet. I have helped many people with this and I do the best I can with telling them what they have but I can not see everything. I can only see what people have taken pictures of. I would always recommend getting an electrician. If you have a 100amp panel and want to charge faster than your 120. I would recommend installing a ~~10-30~~ or 14-30 as long as its 30 amps then charge at night when you have nothing else on. Here is the support from Tesla https: www.tesla.com support home-charging _____ Superchargers vs urban chargers. Read here https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Tesla_Supercharger#:~:text=Compared%20to%20the%20standard%20Superchargers provides%20dedicated%2072%20kW%20capacity. In September 2017 Tesla announced the availability of urban Superchargers. The urban Superchargers are more compact than the standard Supercharger stalls and will be primarily deployed in urban areas such as mall parking lots and garages. Compared to the standard Superchargers urban Superchargers have a maximum power delivery of 72 kW. Instead of 150 kW distributed between two vehicles at a Supercharger A B stall pair each Urban Supercharger stall provides dedicated 72 kW capacity. Wait my bad I ll help the lazy with pictures https: imgur.com a GxqdvHM Yes you did read that right. Urban chargers max out at 72kW and do not share with others. ______ Battery questions… These are the worst. To the new owners READ THIS! Model 3 LFP only https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual model3 en_jo GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html Model S 3 X Y https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual models en_us GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html No pictures on this one. You have to read. _____ FSD score… Holy hell. Just drive the damn car if you suck at driving or the car says you suck at driving. You have a high chance that you suck at driving. Sure the system is not always right but no reason to freak out over dropping X points or whatever. See post here https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments y0oei8 wtf_happened_here irt703b Allowing this link vs a screenshot since OP deleted the account after one day. _____ Sounds… My car is making this sound. Is this a normal sound. Why does my car always make this sound. This sound just started after an update… We have no idea why the cars make the sounds they do. The car can be doing many things in the background. Just plug the car in so it s happy and leave it be. If it keeps on doing this for a month sure then ask service but I would bet that the car is fine and it s just cooling itself off or doing something. We do not need to see a video post about a sound that is happening in the front of the car or anywhere on the car. Here are sounds from a Tesla from Tesla s website. https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual model3 en_us GUID-AA58ED67-9C93-4EE6-8B19-9FDABE018787.html _____ Winter is coming and here we go with the dotting lines and freezing door handles and freezing windows and freezing cars… This car sucks because it was made by and made for California people only. PREHEAT THE CAR and stop crying. Parking outside sucks. If that is your only place to park then you need to really think about what you need to do. This is an EV Tesla. They want to be plugged in. You can read more about it via the manual. For the people that can not charge at night and park outside. Well… GG… That sucks. I don t know how you do it. I have no idea how you can go to a supercharger and sit. Mad points to you that do this. You win the game by dealing with that. I would not buy an EV if I had to do this. Here is Tesla s info on cold weather and winter driving. https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual models en_us GUID-F907200E-A619-4A95-A0CF-94E0D03BEBEF.html https: www.tesla.com support winter-driving-tips _____ This is what we get sometimes when we try to help people. https: imgur.com a ViYnbbO _____ This was submitted a little bit ago https: imgur.com a BgiYN2W I had to add this. These are the things that we try our best at keeping away from the sub. If you feel that you want to see these things please go to the r TeslaLounge. Even the Lounge is getting hammered by posts like this. As I said in my comment in the Lounge (https: imgur.com a QXh9dYl). Once it gets bigger we might have to do something new and force the questions to a different sub like r teslasupport or think of some way to deal with them. That is just one way. We can even try to make a bot that will look for questions or when a question gets the question flair it will do something. We didn t think it was going to be bad (bad as in so many noob questions). The Lounge is for “Personal content including photos videos and tales of your Tesla adventures are strongly encouraged!” This is not a support sub but for now it will be that. If you disagree with this please make sure your voice is heard. If you do not want to make a comment please send in a modmail. As I am about to submit this. I see a post asking in the Lounge about a “wall charger.” To the Lounge users. Thank you for doing your best with the questions. I hope you guys reach out and let us know how you feel. _____ To end this all. We want this place (r teslamotors) to have great info about Tesla but we are not support. Quick answer to some of you that have asked. We removed the flairs because we found that a high percent of people were talking out their ass and just straight up lying about owning a Tesla. It did not help that they had a flair on. We saw that some people were changing up the flair just to prove they had a Tesla because of the flair… I won t get into it but that is why the flairs are gone. We have been looking to do something with the flairs but nothing has stuck. If you have any ideas for user flairs please tell us. We are a small mod team and can t think of everything. | Good start but please also address the whole ‘brakes breaks thing. It really wears on us 🙂. I ll see myself out. | I know the other mods and I go through these questions even if they aren t approved and try to answer them when we can. We re not trying to be bad neighbors but we also can t let the sub take a downward spiral on content quality. We understand that using this sub as a way to vent your frustration or crowdsource support seems more convenient than working with Tesla but *at scale* it degrades the quality of the sub. In the end Reddit can t fix your car or refund your money. We re sorry you re having a bad time but there isn t much we can actually *do*. However there are ways to get your issue resolved. 1. Search the manual. Tesla updates the manuals regularly and the odds are high that the answer to your question is there. You can get started [here.](https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual) 2. Check our [troubleshooting resources](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki support). Many common issues are covered there. 3. Search Reddit. Between r Teslamotors and r TeslaLounge there are *thousands* of questions that have been asked and answered. 4. Schedule a service appointment in the Tesla app. This triggers Tesla to pull remote diagnostics of your vehicle and provide assistance. They may also be able to send a technician to you rather than having you come to a service center. | 55 | 12 | 9,920 |
y38smd | 110 | Super meta post from the mods view. Below I copy and paste the links. I made them like that for the people on mobile so they can see the link before clicking on it. Otherwise I would have made it look nice. This post is a what s going on like we have done in the past. The questions that are being posted to the sub have gone up so much that we are starting to see a trend. NEW OWNERS DO NOT READ THE MANUAL. RTFM! You might be thinking what are they talking about? I don t see any questions or not a lot of them. Well keep on reading and you ll know why. _____ Here is Tesla s support page. https: www.tesla.com support _____ I will be going over two handfuls of things that have been asked a lot over the past three or so months. What is this tag for? What is this? Why do I have this? Can I cut this tag off? https: imgur.com a akZloSU That tag should not be cut. Do not cut the tag. See below links for why. Yes I am making you read. Model Y https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads Model_Y_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf Model 3 https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads 2017_Model_3_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf Model S https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads 2016_Model_S_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf Model X https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads 2016_Model_X_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf _____ We do approve some questions. You can read more here about the questions that are not approved and what happens to the questions. https: imgur.com a QXh9dYl (this was posted on the Lounge) On to the next question! _____ This hook https: imgur.com a UqdnBni That is for a hanger or anything you want to hang on that. Yes we have seen this type of question more than once. _____ For people talking about tires and what to do because “it s a Tesla” and somehow different from other cars here is your link https: www.tesla.com support results?search=tires They are just tires. Go to some place and make sure they know about the jack pads and ask if they have jacked up a Tesla before. Here is a screenshot from Tesla s support page. https: imgur.com a 3ZCtnEp I keep on getting flats punctured tires. My tesla sucks I have never had a problem with my other cars in the past with so many flats. Do you have the sport wheels? They have less room to give. Do you run things over? This is a given. Do you hit pot holes? Hitting potholes with sport wheels is very bad. Hitting potholes with non sport wheels is also bad but you can sometimes get away with it. Do you keep your tire pressure at the right levels? Tesla s are heavy and they need to have the right PSI. _____ Deliveries…. The posts about deliveries and them forcing me to take the car or I lose it. HOW DARE THEY SELL ME A CAR THAT I PUT AN ORDER IN AND MONEY DOWN ON FOR. Shut up and take the car. If you want to wait for whatever tax is going to happen then cancel the order and reorder. Someone else will be happy to take your spot car. This is also the wrong place to ask about taxes credits incentives. We are not tax people this sub is not for that. We have no idea how much you make or how much you would owe or what your finances are. So we have no idea if you will be eligible. Talk to a tax guy. No you can not give your spot to someone else. No you can not transfer the spot to someone else. No you can not whatever else you are thinking. Two options. Take the car or don t. Going forward no more posts about Tesla forcing you to take delivery. This is the last post that will be approved. https: imgur.com a 16JgoWO Sucks that we need to not talk about delivery things but it just leads to a dark hole of nothing good. Comments are ugly and no one upvotes it. From all this we have guessed that no one wants to see these. (I don t want to see these as well) If you are out of state or someplace that you can not pick up the car then that just sucks and it does suck that Tesla will not hold the car for you but they are treating everyone the same. Can t pick up the car well then you have to cancel your order. They are very A or B. There is no C. The reason why they are this way is because of the people that bitch and cry about Tesla dropping the price and having to hand back money because of the out cry. If you are part of the give me my money back and jumping on that train this is on you. I say this because Tesla will not mess up again when it comes to those types of things. They will treat everyone the same. It s a Yes or No. 1 or 2. A or B. _____ Charging… Charging at home. Can I add. Can my panel… These questions are just the wrong place to ask. I understand that when you post to the sub and you are researching by doing so but Google is also very good at doing this. I also heard that talking to an electrician is a good idea. If you are looking to educate yourself then here is going to be a TLDR. I have installed many 14-50s and wall connectors. Before I give the TLDR they are not called chargers. A wall connector is called a wall connector. The charger is inside the car already. 14-50s need 4 wires. Wall connectors need 3 wires. 14-50 outlets and wall connectors are very easy to install. It just takes time to get the wires to the place you need them. I would recommend when getting a wall connector installed to get the 14-50 wires run. It will be one extra wire but it will save you in the end and allow you to remove the wall connector and install a 14-50 outlet. When running these cables ask the person that is doing this to have a pull box above or some place close to the wall connector to keep the 4th wire that is not needed. This also helps if the wall connector takes a shit and is no longer working. You can then have that extra wire run and install a 14-50 outlet. I have helped many people with this and I do the best I can with telling them what they have but I can not see everything. I can only see what people have taken pictures of. I would always recommend getting an electrician. If you have a 100amp panel and want to charge faster than your 120. I would recommend installing a ~~10-30~~ or 14-30 as long as its 30 amps then charge at night when you have nothing else on. Here is the support from Tesla https: www.tesla.com support home-charging _____ Superchargers vs urban chargers. Read here https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Tesla_Supercharger#:~:text=Compared%20to%20the%20standard%20Superchargers provides%20dedicated%2072%20kW%20capacity. In September 2017 Tesla announced the availability of urban Superchargers. The urban Superchargers are more compact than the standard Supercharger stalls and will be primarily deployed in urban areas such as mall parking lots and garages. Compared to the standard Superchargers urban Superchargers have a maximum power delivery of 72 kW. Instead of 150 kW distributed between two vehicles at a Supercharger A B stall pair each Urban Supercharger stall provides dedicated 72 kW capacity. Wait my bad I ll help the lazy with pictures https: imgur.com a GxqdvHM Yes you did read that right. Urban chargers max out at 72kW and do not share with others. ______ Battery questions… These are the worst. To the new owners READ THIS! Model 3 LFP only https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual model3 en_jo GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html Model S 3 X Y https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual models en_us GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html No pictures on this one. You have to read. _____ FSD score… Holy hell. Just drive the damn car if you suck at driving or the car says you suck at driving. You have a high chance that you suck at driving. Sure the system is not always right but no reason to freak out over dropping X points or whatever. See post here https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments y0oei8 wtf_happened_here irt703b Allowing this link vs a screenshot since OP deleted the account after one day. _____ Sounds… My car is making this sound. Is this a normal sound. Why does my car always make this sound. This sound just started after an update… We have no idea why the cars make the sounds they do. The car can be doing many things in the background. Just plug the car in so it s happy and leave it be. If it keeps on doing this for a month sure then ask service but I would bet that the car is fine and it s just cooling itself off or doing something. We do not need to see a video post about a sound that is happening in the front of the car or anywhere on the car. Here are sounds from a Tesla from Tesla s website. https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual model3 en_us GUID-AA58ED67-9C93-4EE6-8B19-9FDABE018787.html _____ Winter is coming and here we go with the dotting lines and freezing door handles and freezing windows and freezing cars… This car sucks because it was made by and made for California people only. PREHEAT THE CAR and stop crying. Parking outside sucks. If that is your only place to park then you need to really think about what you need to do. This is an EV Tesla. They want to be plugged in. You can read more about it via the manual. For the people that can not charge at night and park outside. Well… GG… That sucks. I don t know how you do it. I have no idea how you can go to a supercharger and sit. Mad points to you that do this. You win the game by dealing with that. I would not buy an EV if I had to do this. Here is Tesla s info on cold weather and winter driving. https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual models en_us GUID-F907200E-A619-4A95-A0CF-94E0D03BEBEF.html https: www.tesla.com support winter-driving-tips _____ This is what we get sometimes when we try to help people. https: imgur.com a ViYnbbO _____ This was submitted a little bit ago https: imgur.com a BgiYN2W I had to add this. These are the things that we try our best at keeping away from the sub. If you feel that you want to see these things please go to the r TeslaLounge. Even the Lounge is getting hammered by posts like this. As I said in my comment in the Lounge (https: imgur.com a QXh9dYl). Once it gets bigger we might have to do something new and force the questions to a different sub like r teslasupport or think of some way to deal with them. That is just one way. We can even try to make a bot that will look for questions or when a question gets the question flair it will do something. We didn t think it was going to be bad (bad as in so many noob questions). The Lounge is for “Personal content including photos videos and tales of your Tesla adventures are strongly encouraged!” This is not a support sub but for now it will be that. If you disagree with this please make sure your voice is heard. If you do not want to make a comment please send in a modmail. As I am about to submit this. I see a post asking in the Lounge about a “wall charger.” To the Lounge users. Thank you for doing your best with the questions. I hope you guys reach out and let us know how you feel. _____ To end this all. We want this place (r teslamotors) to have great info about Tesla but we are not support. Quick answer to some of you that have asked. We removed the flairs because we found that a high percent of people were talking out their ass and just straight up lying about owning a Tesla. It did not help that they had a flair on. We saw that some people were changing up the flair just to prove they had a Tesla because of the flair… I won t get into it but that is why the flairs are gone. We have been looking to do something with the flairs but nothing has stuck. If you have any ideas for user flairs please tell us. We are a small mod team and can t think of everything. | Good start but please also address the whole ‘brakes breaks thing. It really wears on us 🙂. I ll see myself out. | > What is this tag for? What is this? Why do I have this? Can I cut this tag off? https: imgur.com a akZloSU Omg do people really post and ask this!? I haven t seen a post yet here but maybe that s cuz mod s doing a good job removing those | 55 | 18 | 9,921 |
y38smd | 110 | Super meta post from the mods view. Below I copy and paste the links. I made them like that for the people on mobile so they can see the link before clicking on it. Otherwise I would have made it look nice. This post is a what s going on like we have done in the past. The questions that are being posted to the sub have gone up so much that we are starting to see a trend. NEW OWNERS DO NOT READ THE MANUAL. RTFM! You might be thinking what are they talking about? I don t see any questions or not a lot of them. Well keep on reading and you ll know why. _____ Here is Tesla s support page. https: www.tesla.com support _____ I will be going over two handfuls of things that have been asked a lot over the past three or so months. What is this tag for? What is this? Why do I have this? Can I cut this tag off? https: imgur.com a akZloSU That tag should not be cut. Do not cut the tag. See below links for why. Yes I am making you read. Model Y https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads Model_Y_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf Model 3 https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads 2017_Model_3_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf Model S https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads 2016_Model_S_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf Model X https: www.tesla.com sites default files downloads 2016_Model_X_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf _____ We do approve some questions. You can read more here about the questions that are not approved and what happens to the questions. https: imgur.com a QXh9dYl (this was posted on the Lounge) On to the next question! _____ This hook https: imgur.com a UqdnBni That is for a hanger or anything you want to hang on that. Yes we have seen this type of question more than once. _____ For people talking about tires and what to do because “it s a Tesla” and somehow different from other cars here is your link https: www.tesla.com support results?search=tires They are just tires. Go to some place and make sure they know about the jack pads and ask if they have jacked up a Tesla before. Here is a screenshot from Tesla s support page. https: imgur.com a 3ZCtnEp I keep on getting flats punctured tires. My tesla sucks I have never had a problem with my other cars in the past with so many flats. Do you have the sport wheels? They have less room to give. Do you run things over? This is a given. Do you hit pot holes? Hitting potholes with sport wheels is very bad. Hitting potholes with non sport wheels is also bad but you can sometimes get away with it. Do you keep your tire pressure at the right levels? Tesla s are heavy and they need to have the right PSI. _____ Deliveries…. The posts about deliveries and them forcing me to take the car or I lose it. HOW DARE THEY SELL ME A CAR THAT I PUT AN ORDER IN AND MONEY DOWN ON FOR. Shut up and take the car. If you want to wait for whatever tax is going to happen then cancel the order and reorder. Someone else will be happy to take your spot car. This is also the wrong place to ask about taxes credits incentives. We are not tax people this sub is not for that. We have no idea how much you make or how much you would owe or what your finances are. So we have no idea if you will be eligible. Talk to a tax guy. No you can not give your spot to someone else. No you can not transfer the spot to someone else. No you can not whatever else you are thinking. Two options. Take the car or don t. Going forward no more posts about Tesla forcing you to take delivery. This is the last post that will be approved. https: imgur.com a 16JgoWO Sucks that we need to not talk about delivery things but it just leads to a dark hole of nothing good. Comments are ugly and no one upvotes it. From all this we have guessed that no one wants to see these. (I don t want to see these as well) If you are out of state or someplace that you can not pick up the car then that just sucks and it does suck that Tesla will not hold the car for you but they are treating everyone the same. Can t pick up the car well then you have to cancel your order. They are very A or B. There is no C. The reason why they are this way is because of the people that bitch and cry about Tesla dropping the price and having to hand back money because of the out cry. If you are part of the give me my money back and jumping on that train this is on you. I say this because Tesla will not mess up again when it comes to those types of things. They will treat everyone the same. It s a Yes or No. 1 or 2. A or B. _____ Charging… Charging at home. Can I add. Can my panel… These questions are just the wrong place to ask. I understand that when you post to the sub and you are researching by doing so but Google is also very good at doing this. I also heard that talking to an electrician is a good idea. If you are looking to educate yourself then here is going to be a TLDR. I have installed many 14-50s and wall connectors. Before I give the TLDR they are not called chargers. A wall connector is called a wall connector. The charger is inside the car already. 14-50s need 4 wires. Wall connectors need 3 wires. 14-50 outlets and wall connectors are very easy to install. It just takes time to get the wires to the place you need them. I would recommend when getting a wall connector installed to get the 14-50 wires run. It will be one extra wire but it will save you in the end and allow you to remove the wall connector and install a 14-50 outlet. When running these cables ask the person that is doing this to have a pull box above or some place close to the wall connector to keep the 4th wire that is not needed. This also helps if the wall connector takes a shit and is no longer working. You can then have that extra wire run and install a 14-50 outlet. I have helped many people with this and I do the best I can with telling them what they have but I can not see everything. I can only see what people have taken pictures of. I would always recommend getting an electrician. If you have a 100amp panel and want to charge faster than your 120. I would recommend installing a ~~10-30~~ or 14-30 as long as its 30 amps then charge at night when you have nothing else on. Here is the support from Tesla https: www.tesla.com support home-charging _____ Superchargers vs urban chargers. Read here https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Tesla_Supercharger#:~:text=Compared%20to%20the%20standard%20Superchargers provides%20dedicated%2072%20kW%20capacity. In September 2017 Tesla announced the availability of urban Superchargers. The urban Superchargers are more compact than the standard Supercharger stalls and will be primarily deployed in urban areas such as mall parking lots and garages. Compared to the standard Superchargers urban Superchargers have a maximum power delivery of 72 kW. Instead of 150 kW distributed between two vehicles at a Supercharger A B stall pair each Urban Supercharger stall provides dedicated 72 kW capacity. Wait my bad I ll help the lazy with pictures https: imgur.com a GxqdvHM Yes you did read that right. Urban chargers max out at 72kW and do not share with others. ______ Battery questions… These are the worst. To the new owners READ THIS! Model 3 LFP only https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual model3 en_jo GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html Model S 3 X Y https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual models en_us GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html No pictures on this one. You have to read. _____ FSD score… Holy hell. Just drive the damn car if you suck at driving or the car says you suck at driving. You have a high chance that you suck at driving. Sure the system is not always right but no reason to freak out over dropping X points or whatever. See post here https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments y0oei8 wtf_happened_here irt703b Allowing this link vs a screenshot since OP deleted the account after one day. _____ Sounds… My car is making this sound. Is this a normal sound. Why does my car always make this sound. This sound just started after an update… We have no idea why the cars make the sounds they do. The car can be doing many things in the background. Just plug the car in so it s happy and leave it be. If it keeps on doing this for a month sure then ask service but I would bet that the car is fine and it s just cooling itself off or doing something. We do not need to see a video post about a sound that is happening in the front of the car or anywhere on the car. Here are sounds from a Tesla from Tesla s website. https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual model3 en_us GUID-AA58ED67-9C93-4EE6-8B19-9FDABE018787.html _____ Winter is coming and here we go with the dotting lines and freezing door handles and freezing windows and freezing cars… This car sucks because it was made by and made for California people only. PREHEAT THE CAR and stop crying. Parking outside sucks. If that is your only place to park then you need to really think about what you need to do. This is an EV Tesla. They want to be plugged in. You can read more about it via the manual. For the people that can not charge at night and park outside. Well… GG… That sucks. I don t know how you do it. I have no idea how you can go to a supercharger and sit. Mad points to you that do this. You win the game by dealing with that. I would not buy an EV if I had to do this. Here is Tesla s info on cold weather and winter driving. https: www.tesla.com ownersmanual models en_us GUID-F907200E-A619-4A95-A0CF-94E0D03BEBEF.html https: www.tesla.com support winter-driving-tips _____ This is what we get sometimes when we try to help people. https: imgur.com a ViYnbbO _____ This was submitted a little bit ago https: imgur.com a BgiYN2W I had to add this. These are the things that we try our best at keeping away from the sub. If you feel that you want to see these things please go to the r TeslaLounge. Even the Lounge is getting hammered by posts like this. As I said in my comment in the Lounge (https: imgur.com a QXh9dYl). Once it gets bigger we might have to do something new and force the questions to a different sub like r teslasupport or think of some way to deal with them. That is just one way. We can even try to make a bot that will look for questions or when a question gets the question flair it will do something. We didn t think it was going to be bad (bad as in so many noob questions). The Lounge is for “Personal content including photos videos and tales of your Tesla adventures are strongly encouraged!” This is not a support sub but for now it will be that. If you disagree with this please make sure your voice is heard. If you do not want to make a comment please send in a modmail. As I am about to submit this. I see a post asking in the Lounge about a “wall charger.” To the Lounge users. Thank you for doing your best with the questions. I hope you guys reach out and let us know how you feel. _____ To end this all. We want this place (r teslamotors) to have great info about Tesla but we are not support. Quick answer to some of you that have asked. We removed the flairs because we found that a high percent of people were talking out their ass and just straight up lying about owning a Tesla. It did not help that they had a flair on. We saw that some people were changing up the flair just to prove they had a Tesla because of the flair… I won t get into it but that is why the flairs are gone. We have been looking to do something with the flairs but nothing has stuck. If you have any ideas for user flairs please tell us. We are a small mod team and can t think of everything. | Good start but please also address the whole ‘brakes breaks thing. It really wears on us 🙂. I ll see myself out. | Had to unsubscribe from one of the model specific subs because it s just a constant cycle of new owners getting they cars and not searching anything and looking to get their individual question answered personally. As if they were the first person ever to ask “Which accessories do you recommend” | 55 | 19 | 9,922 |
y3bg89 | 1,657 | As a non-Tesla EV owner I now get it! I get it. I now understand why so many people are emphatically over the moon with their Tesla. I myself drive an Audi e-tron and my wife drives a Volvo XC60 PHEV but over the past week we drove a Model Y Long Range over 850 miles while on vacation. We drove it in downtown urban areas suburbs on the interstate on back country roads a National Park and even an international border. After driving the car for a week in many different types of driving scenarios I can confidently say driving a Tesla is the most complete EV experience currently on the market. The key word here is EV as the majority of my dislikes stem around the car part of the Y we rented. The EV Software part of the Y was nearly a full chef s kiss. The only thing that really left a bad taste in my mouth was a few aspects of the auto-pilot (AP) system. Things I loved: * Plug and charge * In car route planning with charging * Showing how many spots were open at a Super Charger * One pedal driving * Amazing efficiency * AP can find and maintain a lane like no other system I ve used Things that were neat: * The slight delay before regen kicked in when coming off AP giving you enough time to get your foot on the accelerator. * The speed limit recognition system automatically converting KPH to MPH when driving into Canada. * The charge door opening when pressing the button on the charger handle * Being able to watch a Hulu show while waiting to board a car ferry. Things I didn t really care for but wasn t a big deal * The two step door handles were a little annoying * The driving info on the left side of the screen was a little gimmicky. I would have preferred to have a full screen map then an animation of a semi-truck that was actually a car pulling a trailer. * The vegan leather looked and felt cheap but the seats were ultimately comfortable to sit in for hours which is really what is important. * No real-time visualization of traffic along the route. I m fairly certain traffic was taken into account when route planning but there is no indication I could find to show it on the map. Ultimately not a big deal since it really did seem like traffic was taken into account when creating a route. Things I really didn t like * The suspension is subpar. The Y really needs better suspension and maybe even an air suspension system. Once the roads start to get a little rough the suspension really started to show its faults. It was fine on smooth roads though. * Road noise is a problem. It gets loud in the cabin over 60 mph especially if the road is not perfectly smooth. * There were various squeaks and creaks when going over bumps and on rough roads. * Looking at the map while driving was a bit of a neck stretch. Like I said before it would have been nice to have a full screen map or at least have it positioned closer to the driver. * There is no cruise control speed memory past being able to automatically set it at the speed limit (or X% past the speed limit) * The torque sensor for AP is not very sensitive. Our Audi is capacitive but the Volvo uses a torque sensor and only takes the slightly nudge to recognize an input. I could wiggle the Y s steering wheel and nothing. I ended up just flicking the volume up and down in these cases which was a little annoying. Things that drove me bonkers * Adaptive cruise control is way too sensitive. I only had one phantom braking instance but there were many times I would pass a parked car a cyclist a runner a car turning left in front of me and a few other things that would trigger a panic brake scenario. Our Audi and Volvo do not have this problem. * No blind spot monitoring system. I found Tesla s solution to blind spots more effort and increased the amount of time when my eyes were off the road. Almost every other manufacturer has a light on the mirror which lets you quickly look in your mirror and see if someone is in your blind spot simultaneously. It s a two step process in a Tesla and I found myself manually checking my blind spots in heavy traffic situations. * AP disabling every single time I changed lanes. In moderate traffic this became a nuisance every time I moved into the left lane to pass someone. * Auto high beams when AP was enabled. I ended up blinding a bunch of people because this system is not up to snuff. Our Audi and Volvo do not have this problem. I eventually just turned AP off after getting flashed multiple times by oncoming cars. * AP is an all or nothing system. It s great at maintaining your lane but in the rare instance it didn t I wish the system would let you make a small correction instead of disabling altogether. It was very jerky and would fight me in those situations. It just didn t feel safe. I do want to touch on AP one more time as I was blown away by how well it would maintain a lane. It didn t matter if it was a construction zone with a temporary lane made of cones or a twisty mountain road full of switch backs. The darn car would stay in the center of the lane and handle almost any turn no matter how tight. It truly is next level in this aspect. The big problem I had with AP was the ancillary systems around it that made the experience like monitoring a toddler. Frankly AP is much more advanced than Audi or Volvo s system but the latter systems are so much more relaxing to use especially on the interstate where lane markings are generally good. Alright. If you have read this far you re probably thinking I hate the vehicle after how much complaining I did but that truly isn t the case. The things that made the Y great were weighted much higher than what wasn t so great. Point being the EV Software aspects of the car are so polished that I get how people are willing to overlook some of the things Tesla doesn t do well with. Would I buy one? IDK. Maybe. It s hard to say since we already have two nice cars but at the very least I get what the hype is about. I m also having a hard time adjusting to not having one pedal driving on my e-tron after spending a week with the Tesla so there is that. :) Thanks for letting me ramble. | For the No real time traffic visaization if its a rental it most likely doesn t have the premium subscription plan which gives you that on the map. Just an FYI | > AP disabling every single time I changed lanes. In moderate traffic this became a nuisance every time I moved into the left lane to pass someone. Buying FSD gets you lane changes right? If so that would fix that annoyance. | 766 | 23 | 9,923 |
y3bg89 | 1,657 | As a non-Tesla EV owner I now get it! I get it. I now understand why so many people are emphatically over the moon with their Tesla. I myself drive an Audi e-tron and my wife drives a Volvo XC60 PHEV but over the past week we drove a Model Y Long Range over 850 miles while on vacation. We drove it in downtown urban areas suburbs on the interstate on back country roads a National Park and even an international border. After driving the car for a week in many different types of driving scenarios I can confidently say driving a Tesla is the most complete EV experience currently on the market. The key word here is EV as the majority of my dislikes stem around the car part of the Y we rented. The EV Software part of the Y was nearly a full chef s kiss. The only thing that really left a bad taste in my mouth was a few aspects of the auto-pilot (AP) system. Things I loved: * Plug and charge * In car route planning with charging * Showing how many spots were open at a Super Charger * One pedal driving * Amazing efficiency * AP can find and maintain a lane like no other system I ve used Things that were neat: * The slight delay before regen kicked in when coming off AP giving you enough time to get your foot on the accelerator. * The speed limit recognition system automatically converting KPH to MPH when driving into Canada. * The charge door opening when pressing the button on the charger handle * Being able to watch a Hulu show while waiting to board a car ferry. Things I didn t really care for but wasn t a big deal * The two step door handles were a little annoying * The driving info on the left side of the screen was a little gimmicky. I would have preferred to have a full screen map then an animation of a semi-truck that was actually a car pulling a trailer. * The vegan leather looked and felt cheap but the seats were ultimately comfortable to sit in for hours which is really what is important. * No real-time visualization of traffic along the route. I m fairly certain traffic was taken into account when route planning but there is no indication I could find to show it on the map. Ultimately not a big deal since it really did seem like traffic was taken into account when creating a route. Things I really didn t like * The suspension is subpar. The Y really needs better suspension and maybe even an air suspension system. Once the roads start to get a little rough the suspension really started to show its faults. It was fine on smooth roads though. * Road noise is a problem. It gets loud in the cabin over 60 mph especially if the road is not perfectly smooth. * There were various squeaks and creaks when going over bumps and on rough roads. * Looking at the map while driving was a bit of a neck stretch. Like I said before it would have been nice to have a full screen map or at least have it positioned closer to the driver. * There is no cruise control speed memory past being able to automatically set it at the speed limit (or X% past the speed limit) * The torque sensor for AP is not very sensitive. Our Audi is capacitive but the Volvo uses a torque sensor and only takes the slightly nudge to recognize an input. I could wiggle the Y s steering wheel and nothing. I ended up just flicking the volume up and down in these cases which was a little annoying. Things that drove me bonkers * Adaptive cruise control is way too sensitive. I only had one phantom braking instance but there were many times I would pass a parked car a cyclist a runner a car turning left in front of me and a few other things that would trigger a panic brake scenario. Our Audi and Volvo do not have this problem. * No blind spot monitoring system. I found Tesla s solution to blind spots more effort and increased the amount of time when my eyes were off the road. Almost every other manufacturer has a light on the mirror which lets you quickly look in your mirror and see if someone is in your blind spot simultaneously. It s a two step process in a Tesla and I found myself manually checking my blind spots in heavy traffic situations. * AP disabling every single time I changed lanes. In moderate traffic this became a nuisance every time I moved into the left lane to pass someone. * Auto high beams when AP was enabled. I ended up blinding a bunch of people because this system is not up to snuff. Our Audi and Volvo do not have this problem. I eventually just turned AP off after getting flashed multiple times by oncoming cars. * AP is an all or nothing system. It s great at maintaining your lane but in the rare instance it didn t I wish the system would let you make a small correction instead of disabling altogether. It was very jerky and would fight me in those situations. It just didn t feel safe. I do want to touch on AP one more time as I was blown away by how well it would maintain a lane. It didn t matter if it was a construction zone with a temporary lane made of cones or a twisty mountain road full of switch backs. The darn car would stay in the center of the lane and handle almost any turn no matter how tight. It truly is next level in this aspect. The big problem I had with AP was the ancillary systems around it that made the experience like monitoring a toddler. Frankly AP is much more advanced than Audi or Volvo s system but the latter systems are so much more relaxing to use especially on the interstate where lane markings are generally good. Alright. If you have read this far you re probably thinking I hate the vehicle after how much complaining I did but that truly isn t the case. The things that made the Y great were weighted much higher than what wasn t so great. Point being the EV Software aspects of the car are so polished that I get how people are willing to overlook some of the things Tesla doesn t do well with. Would I buy one? IDK. Maybe. It s hard to say since we already have two nice cars but at the very least I get what the hype is about. I m also having a hard time adjusting to not having one pedal driving on my e-tron after spending a week with the Tesla so there is that. :) Thanks for letting me ramble. | Thank you for the honest post--very fair and balanced. | Had my Y a little over a year my list would look a lot like yours | 204 | 2 | 9,924 |
y3bg89 | 1,657 | As a non-Tesla EV owner I now get it! I get it. I now understand why so many people are emphatically over the moon with their Tesla. I myself drive an Audi e-tron and my wife drives a Volvo XC60 PHEV but over the past week we drove a Model Y Long Range over 850 miles while on vacation. We drove it in downtown urban areas suburbs on the interstate on back country roads a National Park and even an international border. After driving the car for a week in many different types of driving scenarios I can confidently say driving a Tesla is the most complete EV experience currently on the market. The key word here is EV as the majority of my dislikes stem around the car part of the Y we rented. The EV Software part of the Y was nearly a full chef s kiss. The only thing that really left a bad taste in my mouth was a few aspects of the auto-pilot (AP) system. Things I loved: * Plug and charge * In car route planning with charging * Showing how many spots were open at a Super Charger * One pedal driving * Amazing efficiency * AP can find and maintain a lane like no other system I ve used Things that were neat: * The slight delay before regen kicked in when coming off AP giving you enough time to get your foot on the accelerator. * The speed limit recognition system automatically converting KPH to MPH when driving into Canada. * The charge door opening when pressing the button on the charger handle * Being able to watch a Hulu show while waiting to board a car ferry. Things I didn t really care for but wasn t a big deal * The two step door handles were a little annoying * The driving info on the left side of the screen was a little gimmicky. I would have preferred to have a full screen map then an animation of a semi-truck that was actually a car pulling a trailer. * The vegan leather looked and felt cheap but the seats were ultimately comfortable to sit in for hours which is really what is important. * No real-time visualization of traffic along the route. I m fairly certain traffic was taken into account when route planning but there is no indication I could find to show it on the map. Ultimately not a big deal since it really did seem like traffic was taken into account when creating a route. Things I really didn t like * The suspension is subpar. The Y really needs better suspension and maybe even an air suspension system. Once the roads start to get a little rough the suspension really started to show its faults. It was fine on smooth roads though. * Road noise is a problem. It gets loud in the cabin over 60 mph especially if the road is not perfectly smooth. * There were various squeaks and creaks when going over bumps and on rough roads. * Looking at the map while driving was a bit of a neck stretch. Like I said before it would have been nice to have a full screen map or at least have it positioned closer to the driver. * There is no cruise control speed memory past being able to automatically set it at the speed limit (or X% past the speed limit) * The torque sensor for AP is not very sensitive. Our Audi is capacitive but the Volvo uses a torque sensor and only takes the slightly nudge to recognize an input. I could wiggle the Y s steering wheel and nothing. I ended up just flicking the volume up and down in these cases which was a little annoying. Things that drove me bonkers * Adaptive cruise control is way too sensitive. I only had one phantom braking instance but there were many times I would pass a parked car a cyclist a runner a car turning left in front of me and a few other things that would trigger a panic brake scenario. Our Audi and Volvo do not have this problem. * No blind spot monitoring system. I found Tesla s solution to blind spots more effort and increased the amount of time when my eyes were off the road. Almost every other manufacturer has a light on the mirror which lets you quickly look in your mirror and see if someone is in your blind spot simultaneously. It s a two step process in a Tesla and I found myself manually checking my blind spots in heavy traffic situations. * AP disabling every single time I changed lanes. In moderate traffic this became a nuisance every time I moved into the left lane to pass someone. * Auto high beams when AP was enabled. I ended up blinding a bunch of people because this system is not up to snuff. Our Audi and Volvo do not have this problem. I eventually just turned AP off after getting flashed multiple times by oncoming cars. * AP is an all or nothing system. It s great at maintaining your lane but in the rare instance it didn t I wish the system would let you make a small correction instead of disabling altogether. It was very jerky and would fight me in those situations. It just didn t feel safe. I do want to touch on AP one more time as I was blown away by how well it would maintain a lane. It didn t matter if it was a construction zone with a temporary lane made of cones or a twisty mountain road full of switch backs. The darn car would stay in the center of the lane and handle almost any turn no matter how tight. It truly is next level in this aspect. The big problem I had with AP was the ancillary systems around it that made the experience like monitoring a toddler. Frankly AP is much more advanced than Audi or Volvo s system but the latter systems are so much more relaxing to use especially on the interstate where lane markings are generally good. Alright. If you have read this far you re probably thinking I hate the vehicle after how much complaining I did but that truly isn t the case. The things that made the Y great were weighted much higher than what wasn t so great. Point being the EV Software aspects of the car are so polished that I get how people are willing to overlook some of the things Tesla doesn t do well with. Would I buy one? IDK. Maybe. It s hard to say since we already have two nice cars but at the very least I get what the hype is about. I m also having a hard time adjusting to not having one pedal driving on my e-tron after spending a week with the Tesla so there is that. :) Thanks for letting me ramble. | Thank you for the honest post--very fair and balanced. | I won t use the AP at night because the auto lights suck as bad as the auto wipers | 204 | 6 | 9,925 |
y3egp4 | 137 | Advice: If you have a Tesla built in 2018 double-check if you can charge faster than 32 Amps through AC charging (Corded Mobile Connector or Wall Connector). I recently got a 200 Amp panel installed and subsequently the Gen 3 Wall Connector installed on a 50 Amp breaker. With a 50 Amp breaker the wall connector should allow my 2018 RWD LR Model 3 to charge at 40 Amps. Upon plugging in my car I kept getting error [PCS\\_a019 for Power grid or vehicle issue limiting AC charging ](https: imgur.com a feiTA1J) Did some googling and found that there were [others out there](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads charge-speed-reduced-unplug-and-try-again.138361 ) with a 2018 Model 3 with a similar issue. It turns out that the Power Conversion System needs to be replaced. This [page (from another user) explains](https: www.casteyanqui.com ev battery_dispute index.html?utm_source=pocket_mylist) this issue in more detail: > Clearly visible toward the middle of the circuit board are three sets of blocks fuses capacitors etc. Each one of those sets converts and delivers 16A of power to the battery and thus all three combined produce 48A the maximum amount of AC power that a Model 3 can accept. If one of those sets breaks down the remaining two can only deliver 32A of power (which is starting to happen in my penthouse). If a second set fails the last one will only deliver 16A of power (which has happened with other owners experiencing this problem). And if all three sets break down… the car cannot be charged at all from a Level 1 or Level 2 charger. I set up a service appointment and they quoted me $1763 for parts and labor. I just hit over 50 000 miles a couple of months ago so they are saying it is not covered. I am not going to be paying for this fix and continue to charge at 32A - nearly $2k to get 8A faster charging isn t worth it to me. If another set breaks down and I can only charge at 16A that s likely when I will get it fixed. **My advice to you 2018 owners (especially if you are still under warranty) is to find a wall connector or a corded mobile connector that can provide you with more than 32 Amps and test if your car can charge greater than 32 Amps.** At my previous house I had a generic level 2 charger that only charged at 32 Amps so I was none the wiser if the PCS was defective at that point or not. All other charging came from other generic L2 chargers or superchargers. If your charger only does 32A max it will never throw out an error unless you have 2 sets that are broken down. | Had the same issue with our 2018 Model 3 fortunately under warranty | Have been using HPVC charger for past 5 years with my model 3 and 48A always gives me 43miles hour. | 37 | 2 | 9,926 |
y4agt8 | 292 | Auto high beams make Autopilot unusable at night The recent mandatory high beams with autopilot is basically the biggest step backward I ve seen in my 6 years of owning teslas. The biggest issue is implementation and complete lack of predictability. It s not possible to know at night if engaging Autopilot will cause the high beams to activate. Just last night I tried to activate Autopilot and the high beams came on making the car 3 lengths ahead of me think I was telling them to speed up so they brake checked me. Here are the issues. 1. High beams turn on with every activation of autopilot. 2. There is no delay to give you the chance to turn them off. If the car thinks they should be on the millisecond AP engages they come on. 3. The algorithm for the auto high beams is pathetically poor. They come on with cars in front of you they come on with traffic coming the other way they come on while traveling on well lit urban streets. All of this combines to make it so much of a hassle and annoyance to use Autopilot at night that it s essentially not useable anymore. I get Tesla is covering their ass while they struggle to get the vision only AP system working but this is absolutely not the way to go about it. I would like to see at least one of the following. 1. A timer that gives you 3 seconds to turn the high beams off after engaging AP 2. If the high beams have been disabled once during the drive they won t turn back on till the car has done a Park Drive cycle 3. A complete opt out with a warning that AP function will be degraded. | 100% Agree. This drum needs to be beat all day everyday until Tesla fixes this. I will like and comment on every single post I find that mentions this issue on any platform. | Everything Tesla is doing is basically trying to bias usage of ap fsd to the clearest easiest conditions. Stats look better that way. | 63 | 2 | 9,927 |
y4agt8 | 292 | Auto high beams make Autopilot unusable at night The recent mandatory high beams with autopilot is basically the biggest step backward I ve seen in my 6 years of owning teslas. The biggest issue is implementation and complete lack of predictability. It s not possible to know at night if engaging Autopilot will cause the high beams to activate. Just last night I tried to activate Autopilot and the high beams came on making the car 3 lengths ahead of me think I was telling them to speed up so they brake checked me. Here are the issues. 1. High beams turn on with every activation of autopilot. 2. There is no delay to give you the chance to turn them off. If the car thinks they should be on the millisecond AP engages they come on. 3. The algorithm for the auto high beams is pathetically poor. They come on with cars in front of you they come on with traffic coming the other way they come on while traveling on well lit urban streets. All of this combines to make it so much of a hassle and annoyance to use Autopilot at night that it s essentially not useable anymore. I get Tesla is covering their ass while they struggle to get the vision only AP system working but this is absolutely not the way to go about it. I would like to see at least one of the following. 1. A timer that gives you 3 seconds to turn the high beams off after engaging AP 2. If the high beams have been disabled once during the drive they won t turn back on till the car has done a Park Drive cycle 3. A complete opt out with a warning that AP function will be degraded. | 100% Agree. This drum needs to be beat all day everyday until Tesla fixes this. I will like and comment on every single post I find that mentions this issue on any platform. | This is the reason I ve avoided installing the vision only update. Where I live the sun sets before 4 pm and doesn t rise until well after 8am for the best part of 2 months during the winter. The auto high beams are so bad that it s just a matter of time before I get road raged or pulled over by the police if I use them. They either need to work perfectly or allow us to switch them off. If that s once per drive I can manage that but not every time I change lanes. My worry is that they won t fix this and at some point I will have to update. I think I d probably sell the car at that point and switch to another brand. | 63 | 2 | 9,928 |
y4agt8 | 292 | Auto high beams make Autopilot unusable at night The recent mandatory high beams with autopilot is basically the biggest step backward I ve seen in my 6 years of owning teslas. The biggest issue is implementation and complete lack of predictability. It s not possible to know at night if engaging Autopilot will cause the high beams to activate. Just last night I tried to activate Autopilot and the high beams came on making the car 3 lengths ahead of me think I was telling them to speed up so they brake checked me. Here are the issues. 1. High beams turn on with every activation of autopilot. 2. There is no delay to give you the chance to turn them off. If the car thinks they should be on the millisecond AP engages they come on. 3. The algorithm for the auto high beams is pathetically poor. They come on with cars in front of you they come on with traffic coming the other way they come on while traveling on well lit urban streets. All of this combines to make it so much of a hassle and annoyance to use Autopilot at night that it s essentially not useable anymore. I get Tesla is covering their ass while they struggle to get the vision only AP system working but this is absolutely not the way to go about it. I would like to see at least one of the following. 1. A timer that gives you 3 seconds to turn the high beams off after engaging AP 2. If the high beams have been disabled once during the drive they won t turn back on till the car has done a Park Drive cycle 3. A complete opt out with a warning that AP function will be degraded. | 100% Agree. This drum needs to be beat all day everyday until Tesla fixes this. I will like and comment on every single post I find that mentions this issue on any platform. | Yeah just had this happen to me a few days ago didn t realize I had upgraded to vison only. It was super buggy and annoying that there is no way to turn it off. It should be illegal to use high beams on a interstate highway period. What can we as owners do to harass Tesla enough to get it removed? | 63 | 2 | 9,929 |
y4ufkv | 847 | How will Vision-only Teslas operate in heavy snow rain fog or pitch black environments? I was thinking the other day that even if Tesla perfects Tesla Vision in day-time perfect conditions how are they going to manage conditions where it is physically impossible for cameras to see through heavy snow rain fog or just pitch black environments where it isn t an issue for USS? How are they going to optimize for environments that isn t California? This isn t a hate post - I lived in California for a decade and now have moved to the East coast where the weather isn t as forgiving as the perfect conditions of Cali. So I m really curious how cameras can see through these things that physically occlude vision. Are the cameras night vision capable? EDIT: some people seem strangely defensive or mad about asking a simple technical question. I have a Tesla on order that s coming in December - just because someone is asking a question about what s capable or not capable doesn t mean they re assaulting your identity as a Tesla fan lmao | The short answer is that it doesn t work at all. We had our Vision Model Y through last winter and it gives error messages constantly and inhibits autopilot engagement. When I first got my 3 with radar it worked great in rain and fog. I trusted it more than myself and let it drive in those conditions. Now that everything is Vision based back to being just a normal car with no driver assists available in bad weather. I hate what they have done to my car. To be fair no one should be trying to use autopilot in heavy snow. Manual driving Chill mode and low regen (if you have it) are definitely the safest option in those conditions. | First of all USS wouldn t allow them to drive in such scenarios. USS is extremely short range and limited in what it can do. It s basically just for parking. As for how they ll handle bad weather pretty much just like humans do. Humans don t shoot sonar or radar out of their faces to drive. They just use vision. The car can do the same thing. If the conditions get so bad that it s unsafe to drive the car can pull over just like humans. | 283 | 4 | 9,930 |
y4ufkv | 847 | How will Vision-only Teslas operate in heavy snow rain fog or pitch black environments? I was thinking the other day that even if Tesla perfects Tesla Vision in day-time perfect conditions how are they going to manage conditions where it is physically impossible for cameras to see through heavy snow rain fog or just pitch black environments where it isn t an issue for USS? How are they going to optimize for environments that isn t California? This isn t a hate post - I lived in California for a decade and now have moved to the East coast where the weather isn t as forgiving as the perfect conditions of Cali. So I m really curious how cameras can see through these things that physically occlude vision. Are the cameras night vision capable? EDIT: some people seem strangely defensive or mad about asking a simple technical question. I have a Tesla on order that s coming in December - just because someone is asking a question about what s capable or not capable doesn t mean they re assaulting your identity as a Tesla fan lmao | The short answer is that it doesn t work at all. We had our Vision Model Y through last winter and it gives error messages constantly and inhibits autopilot engagement. When I first got my 3 with radar it worked great in rain and fog. I trusted it more than myself and let it drive in those conditions. Now that everything is Vision based back to being just a normal car with no driver assists available in bad weather. I hate what they have done to my car. To be fair no one should be trying to use autopilot in heavy snow. Manual driving Chill mode and low regen (if you have it) are definitely the safest option in those conditions. | How do you operate in said conditions? Heavy snow -- drive slower if not very good visibility. I m not sure how any other sensors would help since you still need vision to read signs etc. Same for the fog. Same principle for heavy rain. Pitch black = night basically. You have your car s headlights. You also don t wear night vision goggles so the anwer to a question will Tesla drive over pedestrian lying on the middle of the road at heavy fog in the night -- probably! | 283 | 22 | 9,931 |
y4ufkv | 847 | How will Vision-only Teslas operate in heavy snow rain fog or pitch black environments? I was thinking the other day that even if Tesla perfects Tesla Vision in day-time perfect conditions how are they going to manage conditions where it is physically impossible for cameras to see through heavy snow rain fog or just pitch black environments where it isn t an issue for USS? How are they going to optimize for environments that isn t California? This isn t a hate post - I lived in California for a decade and now have moved to the East coast where the weather isn t as forgiving as the perfect conditions of Cali. So I m really curious how cameras can see through these things that physically occlude vision. Are the cameras night vision capable? EDIT: some people seem strangely defensive or mad about asking a simple technical question. I have a Tesla on order that s coming in December - just because someone is asking a question about what s capable or not capable doesn t mean they re assaulting your identity as a Tesla fan lmao | The short answer is that it doesn t work at all. We had our Vision Model Y through last winter and it gives error messages constantly and inhibits autopilot engagement. When I first got my 3 with radar it worked great in rain and fog. I trusted it more than myself and let it drive in those conditions. Now that everything is Vision based back to being just a normal car with no driver assists available in bad weather. I hate what they have done to my car. To be fair no one should be trying to use autopilot in heavy snow. Manual driving Chill mode and low regen (if you have it) are definitely the safest option in those conditions. | How would radar allow this? The car needs cameras to see the road lines. Where I live we have rain storms that pass quickly. As soon as it starts to rain the camera can t pick up the lane lines at all same with after the storm when the sun hits it. During the rain storm it s typically fine. I am talking zero rain the road is just wet and the sun hits it I need sunglasses to drive at that point and even for me it s hard to see the lines I use my human ability of object permanence something we learn as an infant but It s FSD greatest thing to overcome. But radar won t help see road lines during poor visibility. So that ends the argument that radar could drive a car in bad weather over vision only. LiDAR also suffers from this. We need a locked comment the USS we re not used for anything related to AP or FSD. They were parking aids only and work about 2 feet out and can only work under 5 mph or the air pressure builds up making them not work at all. | 283 | 57 | 9,932 |
y6mrl3 | 44 | Tesla Mobile App Communicating With Chinese Servers? The last couple of weeks my Tesla mobile app hasn t been connecting to my car when I m on my home wifi which has been odd but I haven t thought too much about it. Today I was dealing with a service setup and it became very annoying not getting notifications when I got a new message or my estimate was ready so I started doing a little digging into my network setup. I am currently using Unifi for my home network. One of the features they have is blocking network traffic by country for all traffic incoming traffic or outgoing traffic. I don t have an exact time when the mobile app stopped working compared to when I enabled this feature but I enabled it a few weeks ago with a few countries like Russia and China. Here s an example of what the Unifi configuration looks like: [Unifi Country Restriction Options](https: preview.redd.it p51lgciyjfu91.png?width=1508& format=png& auto=webp& s=8f33d09af5d8095cd5582383ef64a2cd2e014b0d) Today I started playing with these settings to see if anything would change and oddly enough I found that when China was a blocked country my Tesla mobile app would stop working on my wifi (I am based in the US). Here s some notes different configurations I tried and their results. When I say commands I mean locking unlocking turning on climate and opening closing charging port. My car is currently parked where it has no wifi and is using 4G via the car. * If China is not blocked in any way commands work as normal. * If China incoming traffic is blocked commands work as normal. * If China is blocked in both directions and I open up the app commands do not work and I get an error like `Unlock Failed: Command timeout please try again` toast notification on my phone. * If China outgoing traffic is blocked commands do not work. * If the app is opened while china is not blocked and then I block it all commands continue to function as normal. * If the app is opened while china is blocked (no commands work) and then I unblock it all commands start to work All of this leads me to believe that *something* on the initial app load ends up routing through chinese servers. I m not saying that this is malicious activity or something anyone should be super concerned about with the information I ve found so far but I was certainly surprised to find this. I don t have any real concerns unblocking outgoing traffic I mostly made the initial exclusion configuration just for fun since Unifi has a bunch of options. Does anyone know more about this? & #x200B \\--- **Edit** This was solved by pimfram. I had sideloaded a new version of the Tesla app from APKMirror when the tire pressure feature came out hoping I could get it (before I realized that my car also needed an update). I am guessing that the version of the app that I sideloaded was a distribution from the chinese market instead of the US market. I did an uninstall reinstall via Google Play blocked all incoming outgoing chinese traffic and everything is working as expected again. | I sideloaded a version of the android app that had some Chinese stuff in it. Perhaps you got that version? | There is an api only for chinese owners. Maybe related | 64 | 3 | 9,933 |
y6mrl3 | 44 | Tesla Mobile App Communicating With Chinese Servers? The last couple of weeks my Tesla mobile app hasn t been connecting to my car when I m on my home wifi which has been odd but I haven t thought too much about it. Today I was dealing with a service setup and it became very annoying not getting notifications when I got a new message or my estimate was ready so I started doing a little digging into my network setup. I am currently using Unifi for my home network. One of the features they have is blocking network traffic by country for all traffic incoming traffic or outgoing traffic. I don t have an exact time when the mobile app stopped working compared to when I enabled this feature but I enabled it a few weeks ago with a few countries like Russia and China. Here s an example of what the Unifi configuration looks like: [Unifi Country Restriction Options](https: preview.redd.it p51lgciyjfu91.png?width=1508& format=png& auto=webp& s=8f33d09af5d8095cd5582383ef64a2cd2e014b0d) Today I started playing with these settings to see if anything would change and oddly enough I found that when China was a blocked country my Tesla mobile app would stop working on my wifi (I am based in the US). Here s some notes different configurations I tried and their results. When I say commands I mean locking unlocking turning on climate and opening closing charging port. My car is currently parked where it has no wifi and is using 4G via the car. * If China is not blocked in any way commands work as normal. * If China incoming traffic is blocked commands work as normal. * If China is blocked in both directions and I open up the app commands do not work and I get an error like `Unlock Failed: Command timeout please try again` toast notification on my phone. * If China outgoing traffic is blocked commands do not work. * If the app is opened while china is not blocked and then I block it all commands continue to function as normal. * If the app is opened while china is blocked (no commands work) and then I unblock it all commands start to work All of this leads me to believe that *something* on the initial app load ends up routing through chinese servers. I m not saying that this is malicious activity or something anyone should be super concerned about with the information I ve found so far but I was certainly surprised to find this. I don t have any real concerns unblocking outgoing traffic I mostly made the initial exclusion configuration just for fun since Unifi has a bunch of options. Does anyone know more about this? & #x200B \\--- **Edit** This was solved by pimfram. I had sideloaded a new version of the Tesla app from APKMirror when the tire pressure feature came out hoping I could get it (before I realized that my car also needed an update). I am guessing that the version of the app that I sideloaded was a distribution from the chinese market instead of the US market. I did an uninstall reinstall via Google Play blocked all incoming outgoing chinese traffic and everything is working as expected again. | I sideloaded a version of the android app that had some Chinese stuff in it. Perhaps you got that version? | Get a packet capture from your firewall. It s a little clunky on a unifi but you can google how to do it and then download that .pcap file. Use wire shark to open the file and it will be a list of packets all of which who ll have an up address. You can use ip2location.com to see the country that the packet is going to or coming from. | 64 | 4 | 9,934 |
y6mrl3 | 44 | Tesla Mobile App Communicating With Chinese Servers? The last couple of weeks my Tesla mobile app hasn t been connecting to my car when I m on my home wifi which has been odd but I haven t thought too much about it. Today I was dealing with a service setup and it became very annoying not getting notifications when I got a new message or my estimate was ready so I started doing a little digging into my network setup. I am currently using Unifi for my home network. One of the features they have is blocking network traffic by country for all traffic incoming traffic or outgoing traffic. I don t have an exact time when the mobile app stopped working compared to when I enabled this feature but I enabled it a few weeks ago with a few countries like Russia and China. Here s an example of what the Unifi configuration looks like: [Unifi Country Restriction Options](https: preview.redd.it p51lgciyjfu91.png?width=1508& format=png& auto=webp& s=8f33d09af5d8095cd5582383ef64a2cd2e014b0d) Today I started playing with these settings to see if anything would change and oddly enough I found that when China was a blocked country my Tesla mobile app would stop working on my wifi (I am based in the US). Here s some notes different configurations I tried and their results. When I say commands I mean locking unlocking turning on climate and opening closing charging port. My car is currently parked where it has no wifi and is using 4G via the car. * If China is not blocked in any way commands work as normal. * If China incoming traffic is blocked commands work as normal. * If China is blocked in both directions and I open up the app commands do not work and I get an error like `Unlock Failed: Command timeout please try again` toast notification on my phone. * If China outgoing traffic is blocked commands do not work. * If the app is opened while china is not blocked and then I block it all commands continue to function as normal. * If the app is opened while china is blocked (no commands work) and then I unblock it all commands start to work All of this leads me to believe that *something* on the initial app load ends up routing through chinese servers. I m not saying that this is malicious activity or something anyone should be super concerned about with the information I ve found so far but I was certainly surprised to find this. I don t have any real concerns unblocking outgoing traffic I mostly made the initial exclusion configuration just for fun since Unifi has a bunch of options. Does anyone know more about this? & #x200B \\--- **Edit** This was solved by pimfram. I had sideloaded a new version of the Tesla app from APKMirror when the tire pressure feature came out hoping I could get it (before I realized that my car also needed an update). I am guessing that the version of the app that I sideloaded was a distribution from the chinese market instead of the US market. I did an uninstall reinstall via Google Play blocked all incoming outgoing chinese traffic and everything is working as expected again. | I sideloaded a version of the android app that had some Chinese stuff in it. Perhaps you got that version? | iOS or Android and latest app version? | 64 | 6 | 9,935 |
y76qpb | 252 | Model Y Tesla Feature Request: If we push the buttons in the left side of trunk to fold down second row seats can the front seats go slightly forward to make room for them to fold flat? Driver side is usually in easy entry when i pull this leaver. Just need to give it a small push and it s flat though. Maybe I need to change the Easy entry profile to slightly more forward but then again it s not really a easy entry anymore. Or is there something else i m missing here? | I don t know if the car actually knows when those buttons are pressed. But this would be a good feature considering they know if someone is in that front seat or not. | I did change my easy entry that way. Didn t solve the passenger seat position though :-) I have another profile all the way back too. | 61 | 7 | 9,936 |
y78460 | 847 | Basic Autopilot problems getting worse and worse by the update. Stop-and-go traffic basically unusable. I ve had my 22 M3 RWD coming up on a year. It of course was always fully Vision Only with no radar. Over the past year I had to wait for updates to get up to similar specs as the radar enabled cars: following distance finally 85MPH etc. Overall in the beginning I didn t have too many complaints with Autopilot. I didn t have the phantom braking that many did. The only complaint I had early on was Autopilot drove too aggressively in stop-and-go traffic. Mainly it would fully accelerate up if the car in front just barely moved. It was so embarrassing I would never use it with guests in the car. I was able to work around that for the most part by lowering autopilot speed and changing to chill mode in those moments. Not ideal but it somewhat worked. I would do every software update in hopes it would fix it like a lot of do. Fast forward to today. I down right refuse to use Autopilot in traffic because of how dangerous it is. It drives like a teenager learning to drive. It still does that full acceleration thing but now it slams on the brakes as soon as a car in front stops in stop-and-go traffic. And when I say the car in front stops I don t mean they slammed on their brakes they were driving like a normal good driver would. I ve had two different times where the brake check my cars does causes the person behind me to almost hit me. Needing to swerve off to the side. I m too fearful to use it for the day when a driver behind me is just a tad distracted and bam accident. My old tricks of speed following distance chill mode don t seem to matter as much. Is anyone else dealing with this shit? I keep hearing they are gonna combine the FSD stack and life will be bliss but I m not holding my breath. Stop-and-go traffic is the true time Autopilot should shine but I d honestly say that I ve driven in shittier competitors cars and they do a smoother job of it. Tesla really needs to get their head out of their asses and address things like this. I ve owned TSLA for a long time and followed the M3 since release. I feel we are reaching a critical time for the company with all the competition. It depresses me to say that right now I might recommend others to look at different manufacturers for a car. Tesla still is a very niche car for a specific personality until they can make it better for the masses. | Follow distance is not the same as braking behavior and in my opinion Tesla has done a terrible job with braking behavior. As a normal human if the car way in front of me is stopped I smoothly decelerate as I approach it and glide to a stop at a reasonable distance away. On autopilot the car drives ahead full speed and then slams on the brakes uniformly to come to a stop. Follow distance 1 – it slams on the brakes very close to the car. Follow distance 7 – it slams on the brakes a lot further away but no less aggressively. | Force the speed low in stop and go traffic and it behaves itself. | 526 | 3 | 9,937 |
y78460 | 847 | Basic Autopilot problems getting worse and worse by the update. Stop-and-go traffic basically unusable. I ve had my 22 M3 RWD coming up on a year. It of course was always fully Vision Only with no radar. Over the past year I had to wait for updates to get up to similar specs as the radar enabled cars: following distance finally 85MPH etc. Overall in the beginning I didn t have too many complaints with Autopilot. I didn t have the phantom braking that many did. The only complaint I had early on was Autopilot drove too aggressively in stop-and-go traffic. Mainly it would fully accelerate up if the car in front just barely moved. It was so embarrassing I would never use it with guests in the car. I was able to work around that for the most part by lowering autopilot speed and changing to chill mode in those moments. Not ideal but it somewhat worked. I would do every software update in hopes it would fix it like a lot of do. Fast forward to today. I down right refuse to use Autopilot in traffic because of how dangerous it is. It drives like a teenager learning to drive. It still does that full acceleration thing but now it slams on the brakes as soon as a car in front stops in stop-and-go traffic. And when I say the car in front stops I don t mean they slammed on their brakes they were driving like a normal good driver would. I ve had two different times where the brake check my cars does causes the person behind me to almost hit me. Needing to swerve off to the side. I m too fearful to use it for the day when a driver behind me is just a tad distracted and bam accident. My old tricks of speed following distance chill mode don t seem to matter as much. Is anyone else dealing with this shit? I keep hearing they are gonna combine the FSD stack and life will be bliss but I m not holding my breath. Stop-and-go traffic is the true time Autopilot should shine but I d honestly say that I ve driven in shittier competitors cars and they do a smoother job of it. Tesla really needs to get their head out of their asses and address things like this. I ve owned TSLA for a long time and followed the M3 since release. I feel we are reaching a critical time for the company with all the competition. It depresses me to say that right now I might recommend others to look at different manufacturers for a car. Tesla still is a very niche car for a specific personality until they can make it better for the masses. | Follow distance is not the same as braking behavior and in my opinion Tesla has done a terrible job with braking behavior. As a normal human if the car way in front of me is stopped I smoothly decelerate as I approach it and glide to a stop at a reasonable distance away. On autopilot the car drives ahead full speed and then slams on the brakes uniformly to come to a stop. Follow distance 1 – it slams on the brakes very close to the car. Follow distance 7 – it slams on the brakes a lot further away but no less aggressively. | Works fine for me more than likely it s your following distance try 7. Running with it at 3-4 is basically typical tailgating distance so of course it s going to be heavy on accelerator and brake. Keep in mind this setting is not car distance if it helps think of it as feet (even though this is also untrue). | 526 | 3 | 9,938 |
y78460 | 847 | Basic Autopilot problems getting worse and worse by the update. Stop-and-go traffic basically unusable. I ve had my 22 M3 RWD coming up on a year. It of course was always fully Vision Only with no radar. Over the past year I had to wait for updates to get up to similar specs as the radar enabled cars: following distance finally 85MPH etc. Overall in the beginning I didn t have too many complaints with Autopilot. I didn t have the phantom braking that many did. The only complaint I had early on was Autopilot drove too aggressively in stop-and-go traffic. Mainly it would fully accelerate up if the car in front just barely moved. It was so embarrassing I would never use it with guests in the car. I was able to work around that for the most part by lowering autopilot speed and changing to chill mode in those moments. Not ideal but it somewhat worked. I would do every software update in hopes it would fix it like a lot of do. Fast forward to today. I down right refuse to use Autopilot in traffic because of how dangerous it is. It drives like a teenager learning to drive. It still does that full acceleration thing but now it slams on the brakes as soon as a car in front stops in stop-and-go traffic. And when I say the car in front stops I don t mean they slammed on their brakes they were driving like a normal good driver would. I ve had two different times where the brake check my cars does causes the person behind me to almost hit me. Needing to swerve off to the side. I m too fearful to use it for the day when a driver behind me is just a tad distracted and bam accident. My old tricks of speed following distance chill mode don t seem to matter as much. Is anyone else dealing with this shit? I keep hearing they are gonna combine the FSD stack and life will be bliss but I m not holding my breath. Stop-and-go traffic is the true time Autopilot should shine but I d honestly say that I ve driven in shittier competitors cars and they do a smoother job of it. Tesla really needs to get their head out of their asses and address things like this. I ve owned TSLA for a long time and followed the M3 since release. I feel we are reaching a critical time for the company with all the competition. It depresses me to say that right now I might recommend others to look at different manufacturers for a car. Tesla still is a very niche car for a specific personality until they can make it better for the masses. | Follow distance is not the same as braking behavior and in my opinion Tesla has done a terrible job with braking behavior. As a normal human if the car way in front of me is stopped I smoothly decelerate as I approach it and glide to a stop at a reasonable distance away. On autopilot the car drives ahead full speed and then slams on the brakes uniformly to come to a stop. Follow distance 1 – it slams on the brakes very close to the car. Follow distance 7 – it slams on the brakes a lot further away but no less aggressively. | Works fine for me as well but follow distance is important. Use “BMW-mode” and it will be aggressive as hell. | 526 | 3 | 9,939 |
y89zki | 882 | Call for questions for Andrej Karpathy from Lex Fridman Hi my name is Lex Fridman. I host a [podcast](https: www.youtube.com c lexfridman). I m talking to Andrej Karpathy on it soon. If you have questions topic suggestions you d like us to discuss including technical and philosophical ones please let me know. **EDIT**: Here s [the resulting published episode](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=cdiD-9MMpb0). Thank you for the questions! | His opinion on sensor fusion the removal of radar and now ultra sonics | Was Tesla engaged in development of inter car data sharing? Vision telemetry from a few car lengths ahead could be valuable. Additionally some kind of sync mode could be possible. This could allow vehicles stopped at a stoplight to accelerate in unison while increasing gap distances relative to speed. | 676 | 2 | 9,940 |
y89zki | 882 | Call for questions for Andrej Karpathy from Lex Fridman Hi my name is Lex Fridman. I host a [podcast](https: www.youtube.com c lexfridman). I m talking to Andrej Karpathy on it soon. If you have questions topic suggestions you d like us to discuss including technical and philosophical ones please let me know. **EDIT**: Here s [the resulting published episode](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=cdiD-9MMpb0). Thank you for the questions! | His opinion on sensor fusion the removal of radar and now ultra sonics | Can you ask if there is some kind of ethic which all AI researchers and engineers should respect and enforce. | 676 | 2 | 9,941 |
y89zki | 882 | Call for questions for Andrej Karpathy from Lex Fridman Hi my name is Lex Fridman. I host a [podcast](https: www.youtube.com c lexfridman). I m talking to Andrej Karpathy on it soon. If you have questions topic suggestions you d like us to discuss including technical and philosophical ones please let me know. **EDIT**: Here s [the resulting published episode](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=cdiD-9MMpb0). Thank you for the questions! | His opinion on sensor fusion the removal of radar and now ultra sonics | Is he allowed to make prediction about self-driving technology or is he under NDA? | 676 | 3 | 9,942 |
y8erak | 107 | Growth in Superchargers well behind growth in production and deliveries Per the [2022 Q3 Quarterly Update](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static WTULXQ_TSLA_Q3_2022_Update_KPK2Y7.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22tsla-q3-2022-update.pdf%22) YoY growth in both Supercharger stations (32%) and connectors (33%) is well behind growth in both production (54%) and deliveries (42%). I have watched as this has remained the case for many quarters now. This can only lead to increasing congestion at Superchargers. | What s the percentage growth of supercharger usage in the same timeframe? I rarely use the SC network unless I m road-tripping. | What a nightmare it would be to deal with all the local codes and officials to build these. Like a lot of things covid didn t help and especially in the red tape department. | 63 | 4 | 9,943 |
y8erak | 107 | Growth in Superchargers well behind growth in production and deliveries Per the [2022 Q3 Quarterly Update](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static WTULXQ_TSLA_Q3_2022_Update_KPK2Y7.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22tsla-q3-2022-update.pdf%22) YoY growth in both Supercharger stations (32%) and connectors (33%) is well behind growth in both production (54%) and deliveries (42%). I have watched as this has remained the case for many quarters now. This can only lead to increasing congestion at Superchargers. | Keep in mind that many chargers aren t fully utilized and that a lot of people charge at home. I m not sure if the rate of superchargers should be on-pace with car production growth or not. Certain metro city centers or key highways get charger backups but the vast majority of chargers that I drive past are usually mostly empty. I m not saying you re wrong just that I wouldn t assume a one to one ratio is the ideal ratio. | What a nightmare it would be to deal with all the local codes and officials to build these. Like a lot of things covid didn t help and especially in the red tape department. | 48 | 4 | 9,944 |
y8erak | 107 | Growth in Superchargers well behind growth in production and deliveries Per the [2022 Q3 Quarterly Update](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static WTULXQ_TSLA_Q3_2022_Update_KPK2Y7.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22tsla-q3-2022-update.pdf%22) YoY growth in both Supercharger stations (32%) and connectors (33%) is well behind growth in both production (54%) and deliveries (42%). I have watched as this has remained the case for many quarters now. This can only lead to increasing congestion at Superchargers. | Gas stations did not grow lineraly with gas cars on the road as well. | What a nightmare it would be to deal with all the local codes and officials to build these. Like a lot of things covid didn t help and especially in the red tape department. | 30 | 4 | 9,945 |
y8jfry | 295 | Elon: FSD will be safer than the average driver without question next year (2023) > I think we ll be pretty close to having enough 9s \\[of reliability\\] that you can have no one in the car by the end of this year and certainly and without question whatsoever in my mind next year. > > [Elon Musk - Earnings call at 47:04](https: youtu.be DnnSKkd2etk?t=2760) | Me believing this in 2017: 🤡 Me believing this in 2022: 🤡 | Lmao | 478 | 16 | 9,946 |
y8jfry | 295 | Elon: FSD will be safer than the average driver without question next year (2023) > I think we ll be pretty close to having enough 9s \\[of reliability\\] that you can have no one in the car by the end of this year and certainly and without question whatsoever in my mind next year. > > [Elon Musk - Earnings call at 47:04](https: youtu.be DnnSKkd2etk?t=2760) | Me believing this in 2017: 🤡 Me believing this in 2022: 🤡 |  To be clear if you re new to Tesla and Elon Musk FSD claims this is total nonsense. If you want to buy FSD don t expect to actually reach human parity for a couple years (if we re lucky). | 478 | 90 | 9,947 |
y8jfry | 295 | Elon: FSD will be safer than the average driver without question next year (2023) > I think we ll be pretty close to having enough 9s \\[of reliability\\] that you can have no one in the car by the end of this year and certainly and without question whatsoever in my mind next year. > > [Elon Musk - Earnings call at 47:04](https: youtu.be DnnSKkd2etk?t=2760) | Me believing this in 2017: 🤡 Me believing this in 2022: 🤡 | He s only said this every single year 🙄 | 478 | 125 | 9,948 |
yb01bb | 347 | Any engineers out there that can explain why some basic FSD autopilot features haven t been improved? Why can t tesla vision see that there s traffic up ahead and start slowing down a little early like a normal human would. Autopilot prefers to go full speed ahead until it s within a certain distance then decides to aggressively decelerate. FSD lane preference is horrid so many times it won t change to the best lane for the upcoming turn until the last minute even though it s had plenty of time to do so. Or I ll be in the best lane for the upcoming turn < 1 mile away and it decides to get out of the lane when it should be staying in the lane since the turn is coming up. There are a lot of other issues but these scenarios seem like relatively easy coding and should already have been fixed a long time ago. But I m not an engineer so maybe it s harder than it looks 🤷♂️ | > Autopilot prefers to go full speed ahead until it s within a certain distance then decides to aggressively decelerate. Autopilot would get a terrible safety score. | These are all policy questions and not really technical questions. Tesla was still writing their own code that effectively says if then then do that. | 415 | 3 | 9,949 |
yb01bb | 347 | Any engineers out there that can explain why some basic FSD autopilot features haven t been improved? Why can t tesla vision see that there s traffic up ahead and start slowing down a little early like a normal human would. Autopilot prefers to go full speed ahead until it s within a certain distance then decides to aggressively decelerate. FSD lane preference is horrid so many times it won t change to the best lane for the upcoming turn until the last minute even though it s had plenty of time to do so. Or I ll be in the best lane for the upcoming turn < 1 mile away and it decides to get out of the lane when it should be staying in the lane since the turn is coming up. There are a lot of other issues but these scenarios seem like relatively easy coding and should already have been fixed a long time ago. But I m not an engineer so maybe it s harder than it looks 🤷♂️ | > Autopilot prefers to go full speed ahead until it s within a certain distance then decides to aggressively decelerate. Autopilot would get a terrible safety score. | Elon made some comment during AI Day 2 about soon being able to use actual human driver behavior to train FSD how to drive … but I can t remember what the context was (or why they can t do that now) — seemed interesting though Edit: [found it](https: youtu.be ODSJsviD_SU?t=3h13m42s) — admittedly I can t tell (kinda doubt) he s saying this _is_ the AP team s strategy goal | 415 | 4 | 9,950 |
yb01bb | 347 | Any engineers out there that can explain why some basic FSD autopilot features haven t been improved? Why can t tesla vision see that there s traffic up ahead and start slowing down a little early like a normal human would. Autopilot prefers to go full speed ahead until it s within a certain distance then decides to aggressively decelerate. FSD lane preference is horrid so many times it won t change to the best lane for the upcoming turn until the last minute even though it s had plenty of time to do so. Or I ll be in the best lane for the upcoming turn < 1 mile away and it decides to get out of the lane when it should be staying in the lane since the turn is coming up. There are a lot of other issues but these scenarios seem like relatively easy coding and should already have been fixed a long time ago. But I m not an engineer so maybe it s harder than it looks 🤷♂️ | > Autopilot prefers to go full speed ahead until it s within a certain distance then decides to aggressively decelerate. Autopilot would get a terrible safety score. | I think you are shortchanging the amount of work brains have to do and can do without you realizing. | 415 | 9 | 9,951 |
ybq9xt | 45 | Birds-Eye View for Model Y Non-FSD? I ve seen some rumors and Elon tweets saying the [Birds Eye View feature](https: www.vehiclesuggest.com tesla-birds-eye-view ) is coming to the Model Y. This is a critical feature to help with parking and something we miss the most after switching from our previous vehicle to the Model Y. Does anyone know if this feature will be coming even for those without FSD? | The article you linked is over two years old. Don t hold your breath. | I don t know about other models but the model Y currently does top view when you park in the FSD visualization screen. The vector space representation. It seems to be getting more refined each time. It doesn t happen all the time but in tight spaces it does. So my guess it s going to continue getting better and we re probably going to get a nicer 3D view over time .. not the camera view like some other cars already have | 65 | 14 | 9,952 |
ybq9xt | 45 | Birds-Eye View for Model Y Non-FSD? I ve seen some rumors and Elon tweets saying the [Birds Eye View feature](https: www.vehiclesuggest.com tesla-birds-eye-view ) is coming to the Model Y. This is a critical feature to help with parking and something we miss the most after switching from our previous vehicle to the Model Y. Does anyone know if this feature will be coming even for those without FSD? | The article you linked is over two years old. Don t hold your breath. | He was talking about bird s eye view in the visualization people just misunderstood what he was saying and went with it. You can tell it s incomplete now as when you go into reverse the car goes into a bird s eye view and the visualization around it freezes and looks broken they haven t finished making it yet but that s what s coming. Bird s eye view camera feed is not coming not with the current cameras and certainly not without a bumper camera. The cameras simply don t see the ground close enough. I m sure Elon and whoever made the decision to not include more cameras are kicking themselves every day that are working very hard to solve problems that could ve easily been solved with more cameras. I m sure when the visualization bird s eye is actually working it ll eventually make it down to cars without FSD. | 65 | 37 | 9,953 |
ybvln6 | 91 | Why are FSD builds so behind on the base software version? When I get into my wife s car without fsd I see features I d love to have to include the new route planning and traffic indications. Now that they are releasing FSD releases more frequently I m not sure why we are so behind on the base software version? I m still at 2022.20 Am I just impatient and spoiled? Can we not have it all in this life? | In software development whenever you develop features and have bug fixes it is industry standard to use branches to allow parallel development. Because of this certain branches of the main software will be behind until they merge into the main branch since they are separating from it. Because FSD and the other features can change the same software files there are cases where it cannot be automatically merged and needs a developer to look through the files and carefully check which lines of codes should be used. ~~So it is recommended to only merge whenever you have a huge completion of features or there is a mandatory bug fix that needs to be patched in.~~ Since FSD development takes a long time and has a lot of moving parts it may miss chances of being merged into the main branch to be able to avoid merge conflicts. Because of this they will have to eventually merge it later on with the consequence of manually resolving more merge conflicts. Edit: clearing up information about merging. | I feel similarly about that. My wife s model 3 without FSD has some great features I m still waiting for with my FSD beta version. | 96 | 3 | 9,954 |
yc2jb9 | 179 | 2022.40.1 Update Dropped - Dog Mode supercharging improvements and more. The release notes from a 2022 MYLR: Sentry Mode and Dog Mode Your vehicle and pets can be kept safe by activating Dog Mode and Sentry Mode at the same time. Sentry Mode alarms are silenced if Dog Mode and Sentry Mode are both enabled. Mobile app notifications will still be sent and video footage will still be saved. Improved Charging Efficiency During DC fast charging the thermal system controls have been optimized for each charging station s power capability improving both charging and on-route battery preconditioning efficiency. This. results in faster charge times and reduced energy costs. Radio Station Logos The Media Player now displays radio station logos for improved discoverability when searching for favorite stations. Driver Door Unlock Mode When Driver Door Unlock Mode is enabled long pressing the interior driver door switch will unlock all doors and the trunk. To access Driver Door Unlock Mode tap Controls > Lack > Driver Door Unlock Mode. Tire Configuration Reset the learned tire settings directly after a tire rotation swap or replacement for an improved driving experience. To reset tap Controls > Service > Wheel & Tire Configuration > Tires. | So nice to see that you don t have to choose between security for both the car and the little pooch! | Saw them earlier on Tesla-info pretty minor stuff. Let s hope it s a more reliable release than 2022.36 which seemed to have a lot of bug fix releases. | 92 | 4 | 9,955 |
yc2jb9 | 179 | 2022.40.1 Update Dropped - Dog Mode supercharging improvements and more. The release notes from a 2022 MYLR: Sentry Mode and Dog Mode Your vehicle and pets can be kept safe by activating Dog Mode and Sentry Mode at the same time. Sentry Mode alarms are silenced if Dog Mode and Sentry Mode are both enabled. Mobile app notifications will still be sent and video footage will still be saved. Improved Charging Efficiency During DC fast charging the thermal system controls have been optimized for each charging station s power capability improving both charging and on-route battery preconditioning efficiency. This. results in faster charge times and reduced energy costs. Radio Station Logos The Media Player now displays radio station logos for improved discoverability when searching for favorite stations. Driver Door Unlock Mode When Driver Door Unlock Mode is enabled long pressing the interior driver door switch will unlock all doors and the trunk. To access Driver Door Unlock Mode tap Controls > Lack > Driver Door Unlock Mode. Tire Configuration Reset the learned tire settings directly after a tire rotation swap or replacement for an improved driving experience. To reset tap Controls > Service > Wheel & Tire Configuration > Tires. | How about making Sentry Mode playback not glitchy garbage? | Saw them earlier on Tesla-info pretty minor stuff. Let s hope it s a more reliable release than 2022.36 which seemed to have a lot of bug fix releases. | 52 | 4 | 9,956 |
yc2jb9 | 179 | 2022.40.1 Update Dropped - Dog Mode supercharging improvements and more. The release notes from a 2022 MYLR: Sentry Mode and Dog Mode Your vehicle and pets can be kept safe by activating Dog Mode and Sentry Mode at the same time. Sentry Mode alarms are silenced if Dog Mode and Sentry Mode are both enabled. Mobile app notifications will still be sent and video footage will still be saved. Improved Charging Efficiency During DC fast charging the thermal system controls have been optimized for each charging station s power capability improving both charging and on-route battery preconditioning efficiency. This. results in faster charge times and reduced energy costs. Radio Station Logos The Media Player now displays radio station logos for improved discoverability when searching for favorite stations. Driver Door Unlock Mode When Driver Door Unlock Mode is enabled long pressing the interior driver door switch will unlock all doors and the trunk. To access Driver Door Unlock Mode tap Controls > Lack > Driver Door Unlock Mode. Tire Configuration Reset the learned tire settings directly after a tire rotation swap or replacement for an improved driving experience. To reset tap Controls > Service > Wheel & Tire Configuration > Tires. | > Improved Charging Efficiency During DC fast charging the thermal system controls have been optimized for each charging station s power capability improving both charging and on-route battery preconditioning efficiency. This. results in faster charge times and reduced energy costs. Hopefully this means charging at 50kW DC station will no longer attempt to heat up battery beyond what was necessary. | Saw them earlier on Tesla-info pretty minor stuff. Let s hope it s a more reliable release than 2022.36 which seemed to have a lot of bug fix releases. | 46 | 4 | 9,957 |
yck0qy | 79 | Tesla Build Quality Already Better than the Competition A China [quality survey](https: twitter.com MoneybaII_R status 1583310020141203456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1583310020141203456%7Ctwgr%5Efd3da64134bc1a4f920092b75919a725367a1a02%7Ctwcon%5Es1_& ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teslarati.com%2Ftesla-model-y-china-reliability-quality-survey%2F) got some traction recently showing Tesla at the top in quality ratings for Model Y and Model 3 compared to Chinese NEVs (basically BEV PHEV and FCEV). I had just assumed that the same did not hold in the US because we keep seeing Tesla come out near the bottom of quality surveys like [JD Power](https: www.jdpower.com business press-releases 2022-us-initial-quality-study-iqs). But if you look at the fine print that s wrong. Build quality is also better than average for BEVs in the US: > ICE vehicles average 175 PP100 PHEVs average 239 PP100 and **BEVs—excluding Tesla models—average 240 PP100. (Tesla models average 226 PP100** and are shown separate from the BEV average because the predominance of Tesla vehicles could obscure the performance of the legacy automakers that have recently introduced BEVs.) Tesla has 226 issues per 100 vehicles while other BEVs hav 240 issues per 100 vehicles. We have been comparing Tesla with ICE vehicles: a new rapidly iterating technology vs an old slowly iterating technology. Reliability measured in terms of defect rates is strongly correlated with being able to do the same thing over and over with as little variation as possible. But in the BEV world Tesla and everyone else is ramping up brand new products and trying new stuff constantly. Over time the greater simplicity of BEV architecture will win out and as the innovation rate slows down the defect rate will be even lower than for ICE. But right now BEV is more innovative and experimental and build quality suffers. For everyone. But Tesla s greater experience and volume already puts it ahead. The others are playing catch up on quality as well as on price and volume for BEV. But I have never once heard this discussed. Has it been? If not how did we all miss what was hiding in plain sight? And yes I get and accept the argument that the competition includes ICE. I was trying to make a provocative headline to bring attention to what seems like a neglected point. | Having both owned a 2020 Fremont made Model 3 and a 2021 china made Model Y the model Y is way better made than the Fremont made car | Wow even JDP acknowledges it. How many of these issues are fixed with an OTA? | 63 | 26 | 9,958 |
yck0qy | 79 | Tesla Build Quality Already Better than the Competition A China [quality survey](https: twitter.com MoneybaII_R status 1583310020141203456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1583310020141203456%7Ctwgr%5Efd3da64134bc1a4f920092b75919a725367a1a02%7Ctwcon%5Es1_& ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teslarati.com%2Ftesla-model-y-china-reliability-quality-survey%2F) got some traction recently showing Tesla at the top in quality ratings for Model Y and Model 3 compared to Chinese NEVs (basically BEV PHEV and FCEV). I had just assumed that the same did not hold in the US because we keep seeing Tesla come out near the bottom of quality surveys like [JD Power](https: www.jdpower.com business press-releases 2022-us-initial-quality-study-iqs). But if you look at the fine print that s wrong. Build quality is also better than average for BEVs in the US: > ICE vehicles average 175 PP100 PHEVs average 239 PP100 and **BEVs—excluding Tesla models—average 240 PP100. (Tesla models average 226 PP100** and are shown separate from the BEV average because the predominance of Tesla vehicles could obscure the performance of the legacy automakers that have recently introduced BEVs.) Tesla has 226 issues per 100 vehicles while other BEVs hav 240 issues per 100 vehicles. We have been comparing Tesla with ICE vehicles: a new rapidly iterating technology vs an old slowly iterating technology. Reliability measured in terms of defect rates is strongly correlated with being able to do the same thing over and over with as little variation as possible. But in the BEV world Tesla and everyone else is ramping up brand new products and trying new stuff constantly. Over time the greater simplicity of BEV architecture will win out and as the innovation rate slows down the defect rate will be even lower than for ICE. But right now BEV is more innovative and experimental and build quality suffers. For everyone. But Tesla s greater experience and volume already puts it ahead. The others are playing catch up on quality as well as on price and volume for BEV. But I have never once heard this discussed. Has it been? If not how did we all miss what was hiding in plain sight? And yes I get and accept the argument that the competition includes ICE. I was trying to make a provocative headline to bring attention to what seems like a neglected point. | The thing is that tesla NAILS the actual EV specific part of the car and I truly believe the quality of the drivetrain is far above the competition. The part that drives many tesla owners crazy is it s the basic build quality items that should not be an issue. I m talking about issues like this I had with my 22 model s: body adhesive running out from underneath the tail lights debris inside drivers display panel exterior window seal adhesive failure (window seal coming apart) etc etc. It s just stuff that the legacy makers have their systems and methods in place that avoid most of these small issues (altho can happen) and for many of us lots of little issues feel like a big deal. Between the crap CS at the Portland SC and them never really fixing anything I gave up and just sold it. I have another order in for another model s and I m just hoping it doesn t have the laundry list of small issues like my first. I love tesla and if they could get this last 10% dialed in they would be unstoppable for the long run. | My 22 was fine except for the paint. It s really poor quality like really bad. I should ve just got a white car for free instead of paying the “upgrade” for blue. Everything else on the car has been fine couple small issues that were resolved with mobile service. Have had the car for 1 year and 18 000 miles so far. | 36 | 6 | 9,959 |
yck0qy | 79 | Tesla Build Quality Already Better than the Competition A China [quality survey](https: twitter.com MoneybaII_R status 1583310020141203456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1583310020141203456%7Ctwgr%5Efd3da64134bc1a4f920092b75919a725367a1a02%7Ctwcon%5Es1_& ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teslarati.com%2Ftesla-model-y-china-reliability-quality-survey%2F) got some traction recently showing Tesla at the top in quality ratings for Model Y and Model 3 compared to Chinese NEVs (basically BEV PHEV and FCEV). I had just assumed that the same did not hold in the US because we keep seeing Tesla come out near the bottom of quality surveys like [JD Power](https: www.jdpower.com business press-releases 2022-us-initial-quality-study-iqs). But if you look at the fine print that s wrong. Build quality is also better than average for BEVs in the US: > ICE vehicles average 175 PP100 PHEVs average 239 PP100 and **BEVs—excluding Tesla models—average 240 PP100. (Tesla models average 226 PP100** and are shown separate from the BEV average because the predominance of Tesla vehicles could obscure the performance of the legacy automakers that have recently introduced BEVs.) Tesla has 226 issues per 100 vehicles while other BEVs hav 240 issues per 100 vehicles. We have been comparing Tesla with ICE vehicles: a new rapidly iterating technology vs an old slowly iterating technology. Reliability measured in terms of defect rates is strongly correlated with being able to do the same thing over and over with as little variation as possible. But in the BEV world Tesla and everyone else is ramping up brand new products and trying new stuff constantly. Over time the greater simplicity of BEV architecture will win out and as the innovation rate slows down the defect rate will be even lower than for ICE. But right now BEV is more innovative and experimental and build quality suffers. For everyone. But Tesla s greater experience and volume already puts it ahead. The others are playing catch up on quality as well as on price and volume for BEV. But I have never once heard this discussed. Has it been? If not how did we all miss what was hiding in plain sight? And yes I get and accept the argument that the competition includes ICE. I was trying to make a provocative headline to bring attention to what seems like a neglected point. | The thing is that tesla NAILS the actual EV specific part of the car and I truly believe the quality of the drivetrain is far above the competition. The part that drives many tesla owners crazy is it s the basic build quality items that should not be an issue. I m talking about issues like this I had with my 22 model s: body adhesive running out from underneath the tail lights debris inside drivers display panel exterior window seal adhesive failure (window seal coming apart) etc etc. It s just stuff that the legacy makers have their systems and methods in place that avoid most of these small issues (altho can happen) and for many of us lots of little issues feel like a big deal. Between the crap CS at the Portland SC and them never really fixing anything I gave up and just sold it. I have another order in for another model s and I m just hoping it doesn t have the laundry list of small issues like my first. I love tesla and if they could get this last 10% dialed in they would be unstoppable for the long run. | My 19 is built as well as any other car I ve owned. Comments about build quality is a think of the past imo. Kinda like saying Volkswagens smell like crayons still | 36 | 7 | 9,960 |
yh9wpt | 96 | 2-hourly internal temp spikes Someone recently posted on a UK owners facebook group about weird temperature spikes that they d noticed while the car was awake. It piqued my interest although my initial suspicion was a rogue 3rd party app or similar. After running a couple of tests of my own I was intrigued to find that my own car (2021 MIC model 3 performance) does exactly the same thing. While the car s awake but unused (e.g. during charging or if sentry mode is left on) every 2 hours there s a spike in the car s internal temperature as though the car is running the heater briefly - although the API reports that climate is off for the duration and fans are at 0 for the duration. I m assuming the same thing doesn t happen when the car is asleep but it s obviously impossible to detect through the Tesla API if the car is asleep. In my tests the spikes align with 2-hourly intervals from when the car wakes up which seems to suggest it s tied to the car being online. The graph below is take from Teslamate\\* during a 9hr scheduled overnight AC charge showing the internal temperature in yellow (°c). The two-hourly spikes are pretty obvious... https: preview.redd.it x27v9bldtww91.png?width=1370& format=png& auto=webp& s=639f751439dc6fb96044832e968b82268883e944 Key events listed below: * The car woke up and began to charge at 23:13. * The first spike is at 01:13 when the internal temp jumps from 13.6 to 14.2. * The second spike is at 02:13\\*\\* when the internal temp jumps again from 12.5 to 13.2 * The third is at 04:13 temp jumps from 12.8 to 13.6 * The fourth is at 06:13 temp jumps from 12.7 to 13.2 * Climate is off for the duration * Fan status is 0 for the duration This is a reduced-amp AC charge. I d deliberately lowered the amps to 20A to drag out the length of the charge to better show the behaviour. That s a roughly 5kW charge so unlikely to be any requirement to dump excess heat from the battery - especially considering the overnight external temp was around 11°c. You can also see the same behaviour without any charging if the car is awake due to sentry for example. Anyone got any idea what s going on here? \\* The charging reports in Teslamate don t actually show internal temp but you can see this by taking a note of the time that the car was online (E.g. the start stop time of a long AC charge or sentry session) then clicking on a Drive breakdown and modifying the start and end time to match the time of interest. \\*\\* This is actually a two hour gap as it straddles the BST GMT switch when our clocks jumped back an hour here in the UK | I love how you ask why it happens and then shoot down literally every possible answer | Interesting | 28 | 2 | 9,961 |
yijk8w | 35 | FSD Snapshot icon no longer works FSD Beta Testers - According to u greentheonly Tesla has disabled the manual triggers button and pressing the camera icon no longer sends any data back to Tesla. [https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1586438281671348225](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1586438281671348225) | I think they should replace it with thumbs up and thumbs down icons. Thumbs up for a well-handled intersection turn thumbs down for a poorly-handled one. I ve seen it do some things extremely well and I d like to be able to reinforce that behavior while also highlighting when it misbehaves so that the problems can get the attention they need. | My hypothesis on this one is that they re getting ready they think they ve got it and that the next release of FSD Beta is going to be the wide one. I maintain that the end game is to get FSD Beta s code on to everyone s cars for Christmas so releasing FSD Beta to all participants in the couple weeks is critical to QA things before it goes wide wide for Christmas. I feel like we re in another FSD Beta 10.8 so good we re skipping FSD Beta 10.7 scenario. | 51 | 6 | 9,962 |
ylcm2k | 223 | One Year & 17k Miles Later with Model 3 LR I m just about to hit a year with my Model 3 LR and just wanted to write a quick review for anyone considering purchasing one. I m going to briefly touch on the most common questions I ve heard and the experience I had with it. I ll keep it brief. First of all I absolutely love the car it s easily the most fun car I ve ever owned hands down. I constantly hear It s built like a $20k car! . Absolute non-sense! Have you driven a $20k car in 2022? I may be lucky but I ve had zero issues with the car other than a camera change which was free and done at my home while I was on vacation. Zero complaints! Having everything on the center screen is great I know many people complain about no buttons but there is a reason they aren t on our phones any more. Takes a bit to get use to and by a bit I mean about 30min of driving. My brother drove it when he picked me up from the airport and said Very confusing until you actually drive it also how do you turn it off! Poor soul spent 30min googling trying to figure it out before he called me. Autopilot is great but I wouldn t spend a penny on FSD. I like to drive (zoom zoom) so I don t use it often but on long trips what a god send. I remember a 4hr ride home very hung over and thanking GOD for AP. It really does a great job staying in the lane and being comfortable. I ve had maybe a few phantom breaks but almost all were when I first got it a year ago total of maybe five light breaks for no reason but it s been nonexistant for a long time. Range is great I absolutely needed the LR Model when I got the car but with a job change I no longer drive as much. I do feel like the range is a bit exaggerated but not as much as people like to talk about. Currently I have about 97.5% battery capacity so my max range is about 344 miles which is still above the S+ and many other cars 100% range. Winter does take a big hit on range I don t charge the car above 70% during the summer but winter I bump to 80% so I can precondition and reduce the drop off of having a cold battery but even with that reduction I can drive from Rochester to Buffalo roundtrip and make it hope without worry. I average about 260wh mi so right inline with the average but it does go up in the winter to close to low 300s if I remember correctly. Typically I use hrs vs miles when talking about range. About 3hrs on the highway before I charge between 4-5hrs of driving when it s around town. I can usually charge from 30% to 70% twice a week. I m surprised at how little I use superchargers I figured it would be a more common occurrence but I haven t used one since April for a roadtrip. In the past 30 days I used 338kwh for $41 charging at home I don t notice it that s not even one tank of gas. I will say if you can t charge at home I d reconsider it plugging in overnight is key to saving money. My wife and I share the car we reduced from two Equinox leases to just the one Tesla and went from one kid to two. We can fit both car seats plus bags in the back. We have room in the fronk the extra storage in the trunk helps greatly. Even with all that we can still fit our two kid stroller in the trunk. I m not going to lie and say it isn t tight but it s very manageable for the few times we pack up. End of story a year later no complaints range is fine even with battery decay it s worth a good chunk more than what I bought it for after 17k miles there s a reason for that. I get compliments left and right and I ve had my car enthusiast friend ride in it and even drive it and they are BLOWN away! Solid 9 10 car no buyers remorse at all | I ve learned to just shut my mouth when people are talking about Teslas being this or that. They re dangerous...fIrEs...self driving will kIlL u...they re too expensive . I bought mine for 34 900. Even got a tax credit. When I did the math vs. it and a Subaru I was blown away and instantly bought the Tesla. Anyway I now just allow people to believe their horse and buggy car is superior. Wave to them at the gas station. | 10 months in and only just had the first phantom brake last week. One freak steer a few months ago. I love my M3LR and am satisfied with my purchase. | 29 | 2 | 9,963 |
ylcm2k | 223 | One Year & 17k Miles Later with Model 3 LR I m just about to hit a year with my Model 3 LR and just wanted to write a quick review for anyone considering purchasing one. I m going to briefly touch on the most common questions I ve heard and the experience I had with it. I ll keep it brief. First of all I absolutely love the car it s easily the most fun car I ve ever owned hands down. I constantly hear It s built like a $20k car! . Absolute non-sense! Have you driven a $20k car in 2022? I may be lucky but I ve had zero issues with the car other than a camera change which was free and done at my home while I was on vacation. Zero complaints! Having everything on the center screen is great I know many people complain about no buttons but there is a reason they aren t on our phones any more. Takes a bit to get use to and by a bit I mean about 30min of driving. My brother drove it when he picked me up from the airport and said Very confusing until you actually drive it also how do you turn it off! Poor soul spent 30min googling trying to figure it out before he called me. Autopilot is great but I wouldn t spend a penny on FSD. I like to drive (zoom zoom) so I don t use it often but on long trips what a god send. I remember a 4hr ride home very hung over and thanking GOD for AP. It really does a great job staying in the lane and being comfortable. I ve had maybe a few phantom breaks but almost all were when I first got it a year ago total of maybe five light breaks for no reason but it s been nonexistant for a long time. Range is great I absolutely needed the LR Model when I got the car but with a job change I no longer drive as much. I do feel like the range is a bit exaggerated but not as much as people like to talk about. Currently I have about 97.5% battery capacity so my max range is about 344 miles which is still above the S+ and many other cars 100% range. Winter does take a big hit on range I don t charge the car above 70% during the summer but winter I bump to 80% so I can precondition and reduce the drop off of having a cold battery but even with that reduction I can drive from Rochester to Buffalo roundtrip and make it hope without worry. I average about 260wh mi so right inline with the average but it does go up in the winter to close to low 300s if I remember correctly. Typically I use hrs vs miles when talking about range. About 3hrs on the highway before I charge between 4-5hrs of driving when it s around town. I can usually charge from 30% to 70% twice a week. I m surprised at how little I use superchargers I figured it would be a more common occurrence but I haven t used one since April for a roadtrip. In the past 30 days I used 338kwh for $41 charging at home I don t notice it that s not even one tank of gas. I will say if you can t charge at home I d reconsider it plugging in overnight is key to saving money. My wife and I share the car we reduced from two Equinox leases to just the one Tesla and went from one kid to two. We can fit both car seats plus bags in the back. We have room in the fronk the extra storage in the trunk helps greatly. Even with all that we can still fit our two kid stroller in the trunk. I m not going to lie and say it isn t tight but it s very manageable for the few times we pack up. End of story a year later no complaints range is fine even with battery decay it s worth a good chunk more than what I bought it for after 17k miles there s a reason for that. I get compliments left and right and I ve had my car enthusiast friend ride in it and even drive it and they are BLOWN away! Solid 9 10 car no buyers remorse at all | I ve learned to just shut my mouth when people are talking about Teslas being this or that. They re dangerous...fIrEs...self driving will kIlL u...they re too expensive . I bought mine for 34 900. Even got a tax credit. When I did the math vs. it and a Subaru I was blown away and instantly bought the Tesla. Anyway I now just allow people to believe their horse and buggy car is superior. Wave to them at the gas station. | I m trying to achieve your efficiency numbers. Normally I average 340 Wh mi which sucks. Lately by turning off climate control and using more regen I can get down to 280 Wh mi ... but I still feel like that s too high. Normally people get into the 250 area by taking measures like the above. (and need I mention the car is rated for 257 Wh mi). Next step I m going to check my alignment. See if that s costing me. | 29 | 2 | 9,964 |
ylcm2k | 223 | One Year & 17k Miles Later with Model 3 LR I m just about to hit a year with my Model 3 LR and just wanted to write a quick review for anyone considering purchasing one. I m going to briefly touch on the most common questions I ve heard and the experience I had with it. I ll keep it brief. First of all I absolutely love the car it s easily the most fun car I ve ever owned hands down. I constantly hear It s built like a $20k car! . Absolute non-sense! Have you driven a $20k car in 2022? I may be lucky but I ve had zero issues with the car other than a camera change which was free and done at my home while I was on vacation. Zero complaints! Having everything on the center screen is great I know many people complain about no buttons but there is a reason they aren t on our phones any more. Takes a bit to get use to and by a bit I mean about 30min of driving. My brother drove it when he picked me up from the airport and said Very confusing until you actually drive it also how do you turn it off! Poor soul spent 30min googling trying to figure it out before he called me. Autopilot is great but I wouldn t spend a penny on FSD. I like to drive (zoom zoom) so I don t use it often but on long trips what a god send. I remember a 4hr ride home very hung over and thanking GOD for AP. It really does a great job staying in the lane and being comfortable. I ve had maybe a few phantom breaks but almost all were when I first got it a year ago total of maybe five light breaks for no reason but it s been nonexistant for a long time. Range is great I absolutely needed the LR Model when I got the car but with a job change I no longer drive as much. I do feel like the range is a bit exaggerated but not as much as people like to talk about. Currently I have about 97.5% battery capacity so my max range is about 344 miles which is still above the S+ and many other cars 100% range. Winter does take a big hit on range I don t charge the car above 70% during the summer but winter I bump to 80% so I can precondition and reduce the drop off of having a cold battery but even with that reduction I can drive from Rochester to Buffalo roundtrip and make it hope without worry. I average about 260wh mi so right inline with the average but it does go up in the winter to close to low 300s if I remember correctly. Typically I use hrs vs miles when talking about range. About 3hrs on the highway before I charge between 4-5hrs of driving when it s around town. I can usually charge from 30% to 70% twice a week. I m surprised at how little I use superchargers I figured it would be a more common occurrence but I haven t used one since April for a roadtrip. In the past 30 days I used 338kwh for $41 charging at home I don t notice it that s not even one tank of gas. I will say if you can t charge at home I d reconsider it plugging in overnight is key to saving money. My wife and I share the car we reduced from two Equinox leases to just the one Tesla and went from one kid to two. We can fit both car seats plus bags in the back. We have room in the fronk the extra storage in the trunk helps greatly. Even with all that we can still fit our two kid stroller in the trunk. I m not going to lie and say it isn t tight but it s very manageable for the few times we pack up. End of story a year later no complaints range is fine even with battery decay it s worth a good chunk more than what I bought it for after 17k miles there s a reason for that. I get compliments left and right and I ve had my car enthusiast friend ride in it and even drive it and they are BLOWN away! Solid 9 10 car no buyers remorse at all | I ve learned to just shut my mouth when people are talking about Teslas being this or that. They re dangerous...fIrEs...self driving will kIlL u...they re too expensive . I bought mine for 34 900. Even got a tax credit. When I did the math vs. it and a Subaru I was blown away and instantly bought the Tesla. Anyway I now just allow people to believe their horse and buggy car is superior. Wave to them at the gas station. | Hi! May I ask you what car you had before please? I m curious to know if enthusiastic reviews of Autopilot are based on having tried similar systems from competitors or not. For example I have a 2016 Audi with ADAS package which does more than Autopilot does with no phantom braking or other issues whatsoever and would love to have deeper insights on the improvements. | 29 | 3 | 9,965 |
yrxxs6 | 177 | Auto High Beam Fix 2022.40.4 I was on highway today I decided to give auto high beams a try after months of not using them. I am on update 2022.40.4 and to my surprise they worked flawlessly considering how bad they were before but this time it was recegonizing cars from very far away even behind hill!! I am guessing it was a stealth update in the last few updates. Give it a try is it the same for you or it s just me? I saw some posts as well confirming that this update made their auto high beams good for highway. | There is a lot of positive feedback at the german Tesla forums seems like 2022.40.4 is a massive improvement for Auto High Beam. Switching back to High Beam is a bit slower than before but no one is complaining any more. | How about cars moving in the same direction as you? For me their biggest fail is they turn on too close to cars I m following. | 103 | 19 | 9,966 |
yrxxs6 | 177 | Auto High Beam Fix 2022.40.4 I was on highway today I decided to give auto high beams a try after months of not using them. I am on update 2022.40.4 and to my surprise they worked flawlessly considering how bad they were before but this time it was recegonizing cars from very far away even behind hill!! I am guessing it was a stealth update in the last few updates. Give it a try is it the same for you or it s just me? I saw some posts as well confirming that this update made their auto high beams good for highway. | There is a lot of positive feedback at the german Tesla forums seems like 2022.40.4 is a massive improvement for Auto High Beam. Switching back to High Beam is a bit slower than before but no one is complaining any more. | I think starting in 2022.20.9 and 2022.24.6 when Tesla starting cutting people over to Tesla Vision was the start of Tesla blending FSD Beta code improvements into the core firmware releases. FSD Beta s auto high beams have been pretty solid for a release or two now and I d be willing to bet that 2022.40.4 is the result of those improvements. I m *hoping* this is with the end game of Tesla merging the stacks for Christmas. | 103 | 54 | 9,967 |
yvzcmo | 288 | Charlie Munger calls the success of Elon Musk s Tesla a ‘minor miracle in the car business [Berkshire Hathaway](https: www.cnbc.com quotes BRK.A ) Vice Chairman Charlie Munger spoke highly of Elon Musk s electric vehicle company [Tesla](https: www.cnbc.com quotes TSLA ) calling it an amazing feat in the American auto industry. “I was certainly surprised that Tesla did as well as it did ” Munger said in an interview with CNBC s [Becky Quick](https: www.cnbc.com becky-quick ) that aired on [“Squawk Box”](https: www.cnbc.com squawk-box-us ) on Tuesday. “I do not equate Tesla with bitcoin. Tesla has made some real contributions to this civilization. Elon Musk has done some good things that others couldn t do.” “We haven t had a successful new auto company in a long long time. What Tesla has done in the car business is a minor miracle ” Munger added. Tesla became one of the most valuable companies in the world with a market capitalization over $600 billion. The car marker [delivered 343 000 vehicles](https: www.cnbc.com 2022 10 02 tesla-tsla-q3-2022-vehicle-delivery-and-production-numbers.html) in the last quarter. Shares of Tesla are down 45% this year after a near 50% rally in 2021 and a whooping 743% advance in 2020. Read more: [https: www.cnbc.com 2022 11 15 charlie-munger-calls-the-success-of-elon-musks-tesla-a-minor-miracle-in-the-car-business.html](https: www.cnbc.com 2022 11 15 charlie-munger-calls-the-success-of-elon-musks-tesla-a-minor-miracle-in-the-car-business.html) | The EV market wouldn t be as enterprising or as forward without the footwork Tesla pushed. GM had all but given up and everyone else was fat and satisfied making carbon breathing dinosaurs. They deserve a moment for pushing the future ahead. | Can he name a bigger one? | 130 | 14 | 9,968 |
yvzcmo | 288 | Charlie Munger calls the success of Elon Musk s Tesla a ‘minor miracle in the car business [Berkshire Hathaway](https: www.cnbc.com quotes BRK.A ) Vice Chairman Charlie Munger spoke highly of Elon Musk s electric vehicle company [Tesla](https: www.cnbc.com quotes TSLA ) calling it an amazing feat in the American auto industry. “I was certainly surprised that Tesla did as well as it did ” Munger said in an interview with CNBC s [Becky Quick](https: www.cnbc.com becky-quick ) that aired on [“Squawk Box”](https: www.cnbc.com squawk-box-us ) on Tuesday. “I do not equate Tesla with bitcoin. Tesla has made some real contributions to this civilization. Elon Musk has done some good things that others couldn t do.” “We haven t had a successful new auto company in a long long time. What Tesla has done in the car business is a minor miracle ” Munger added. Tesla became one of the most valuable companies in the world with a market capitalization over $600 billion. The car marker [delivered 343 000 vehicles](https: www.cnbc.com 2022 10 02 tesla-tsla-q3-2022-vehicle-delivery-and-production-numbers.html) in the last quarter. Shares of Tesla are down 45% this year after a near 50% rally in 2021 and a whooping 743% advance in 2020. Read more: [https: www.cnbc.com 2022 11 15 charlie-munger-calls-the-success-of-elon-musks-tesla-a-minor-miracle-in-the-car-business.html](https: www.cnbc.com 2022 11 15 charlie-munger-calls-the-success-of-elon-musks-tesla-a-minor-miracle-in-the-car-business.html) | Minor haha | Can he name a bigger one? | 46 | 14 | 9,969 |
yw85ie | 152 | 2018 vs 2022 Model X long term family focused comparison I had a 2018 X for well about 4 years. I ve put about 8k miles on the refresh and wanted to share thoughts for anyone thinking about upgrading. Range - Huge win. I went from 270 to 340 miles and faster charging. Add it all up and charging stops are about half as long as they used to be on road trips since you can stay under 60 percent easier. Great! Interior quality - Good improvement. Nicer materials. Everything is just a touch better. Still a small step down compared to my Genesis GV80 but it s fighting in the right league now. Speed - Noticeably faster even without plaid. Teslas are very fun to drive and the refresh is better. Autopilot - Draw to slightly worse. I don t have the phantom braking issues I was expecting and some parts work better but there are a lot of small new bugs as well. Stop and go traffic one of my biggest priorities is worse as it slams on the brakes when someone 20 feet ahead slows down. I have to wonder if this is because they axed the radar. It ends up being slightly dangerous in city highway traffic jams. Controls - Disappointingly a little worse. No stalks the yoke looks cool but isn t as functional I m tired of the button turn signals I honk when turning on autopilot once a week etc. These are just unforced errors and while none are as bad as I feared they are absolutely a small step back from a normal car. Audio - Neutral. Was hoping for something a bit better but no biggie. Rear seat screen - It exists. Not really sure why it s there or why there s a powerful GPU. Please give me more range instead. Kids don t really watch it because it s strangely positioned. Suspension - A bit better. Again not bad but not as good as the GV80. 360 surround view - how is this still not a feature? 7 seat vs 6 seat - 3 wide second row is great if you have 3 kids. 3rd row is worse but if you can use it a lot less 7 seats is the way to go. Plus you get extra cargo space most of the time. Overall - Neutral to a bit better. I buy Teslas because they re the best car experience. I think that s still the case this year but after seeing their trajectory and what others are doing (I m looking at you Volvo EX90) I don t think they ll be the best next year. I m surprised that 4 years of development and a refresh didn t really raise the bar. It s like a minor refresh. Awesome car awesome superchargers but it s odd there aren t more improvements or innovations on the horizon. | Agree with most of your post! I also went from a 2018 X to a 2022 X. Range - The faster charging was a huge huge bonus. We had a 75D and never realized how much slower the charging rate was. We recently went on a short road trip with the 2022 and the much improved supercharging speed was a welcomed improvement. Controls - I got used to the yoke very quickly. While there are some who actually prefer the yoke (from reading reviews) I would have loved to have a regular steering wheel as an option. The biggest drawback in my opinion is not having a shifting stalk. Trying to do a three point turn in a small parking garage is not much fun using the swipe shifter. I also really miss using the left and right buttons on the 75D s regular steering wheel - especially the climate controls. I find voice control for the climate can be hit or miss and having to use the centre screen for the majority of climate controls can be dangerous at times. Build Quality - My particular build was tremendously improved compared to my 2018 75D. The 2018 had trim issues misaligned doors unclipped plastic pieces just to name a few. Our 2022 was pristine. The overall interior build material and quality while not luxurious per se compared to other luxury brands is noticeably better. Like yourself I buy Teslas because they re currently the best electric car experience. However as cliched as it is competition is definitely on the way. Right now the falcon wing doors are a godsend for loading kids in their seats. However once my kids are grown I will definitely consider other options. Some that come to mind are the Taycan GT future Range Rover Sport EV Rivian R1S and even a Panamera EV. I love our X but like OP said I too was surprised that 4 years of development and a refresh didn t really raise the bar. | Why didn t you get out the Mercedes suv it s so much nicer ?!? We re trying to hold out 6-9mo for it. I want a nice interior and to feel like I m getting a 100k worth of car not 60k marked up to 100k Charging is a concerns but with the one or two road trips a year I m not too concerned and convinced it ll be better soon (CA) | 43 | 4 | 9,970 |
yz5jph | 59 | Downloading 10.69.3.1! (2022.36.20) Opened the app to set the charging limit and saw the new update downloading! Never had FSD before so looks to be rolling out to new testers as well https: i.imgur.com Ovhe5dz.jpg | I m more excited about this bringing me up to the 2022.36.X branch from the current 2022.20 branch than anything else… | I m guessing it s such a minor patch that it has the same release notes? | 45 | 6 | 9,971 |
z0cldv | 78 | TIL: You can tap your phone to start your car as if it were a keycard I know it s not practical since your phone typically handles this but if you ever have a bug where it doesn t - tap! | You can also tap your phone against the pillar to lock unlock the car. | Whaaaaat does this actually work? | 92 | 3 | 9,972 |
z0cldv | 78 | TIL: You can tap your phone to start your car as if it were a keycard I know it s not practical since your phone typically handles this but if you ever have a bug where it doesn t - tap! | This is for Android devices only. iPhones can t do this unless Tesla implements Apple CarKey. | Whaaaaat does this actually work? | 67 | 3 | 9,973 |
z0cldv | 78 | TIL: You can tap your phone to start your car as if it were a keycard I know it s not practical since your phone typically handles this but if you ever have a bug where it doesn t - tap! | This is for Android devices only. iPhones can t do this unless Tesla implements Apple CarKey. | Why would you need to tap your phone? Does it not start with your phone in your pocket sometimes? | 67 | 6 | 9,974 |
z4y3wh | 244 | Just wanted to confirmk that FSD is fully usable in Toronto as of 10.69.3.1 on nov 24th. Aparently fsd avaliable in all of North America does mean exactly that.. shocking I know | How s it doing around the streetcars or whatever they are called? I always thought it was weird that was the reasoning when San Franciso has those as well were arguablythe higher percentage of Teslas and therefore FSD users are. | any issues so far? when do you need to disengage in which situations? | 40 | 14 | 9,975 |
z6hhjv | 428 | Looks like Dan O Dowd is back at it again! My take on this is they were going at least 50 mph then engaged fsd right before hitting a stroller when it wouldn t have time to stop. They don t show the internal feed until a second before impact. Also the external feed shows brake lights before impact. This guy is such a fake bitter loser and needs to get sued! https: dawnproject.com safety-tests-reveal-that-tesla-full-self-driving-software-will-repeatedly-hit-a-child-mannequin-in-a-stroller | I m quite surprised Teslas legal team hasn t gone after that tool | I know you mean well but you are stating his name wrong like every other media organization out there. His actual name is Dan O Clown. Please get it right! | 222 | 2 | 9,976 |
z6hhjv | 428 | Looks like Dan O Dowd is back at it again! My take on this is they were going at least 50 mph then engaged fsd right before hitting a stroller when it wouldn t have time to stop. They don t show the internal feed until a second before impact. Also the external feed shows brake lights before impact. This guy is such a fake bitter loser and needs to get sued! https: dawnproject.com safety-tests-reveal-that-tesla-full-self-driving-software-will-repeatedly-hit-a-child-mannequin-in-a-stroller | I m quite surprised Teslas legal team hasn t gone after that tool | O Dowd is a troll and is a pathetic POS liar | 222 | 24 | 9,977 |
z6hhjv | 428 | Looks like Dan O Dowd is back at it again! My take on this is they were going at least 50 mph then engaged fsd right before hitting a stroller when it wouldn t have time to stop. They don t show the internal feed until a second before impact. Also the external feed shows brake lights before impact. This guy is such a fake bitter loser and needs to get sued! https: dawnproject.com safety-tests-reveal-that-tesla-full-self-driving-software-will-repeatedly-hit-a-child-mannequin-in-a-stroller | I m quite surprised Teslas legal team hasn t gone after that tool | Literally had this happen today. Beta slowed down and pulled slightly to the side | 222 | 38 | 9,978 |
z6wlal | 135 | Tesla Revamped Model 3 - Reuters [https: www.reuters.com business autos-transportation tesla-readies-revamped-model-3-with-project-highland-sources-2022-11-28 ](https: www.reuters.com business autos-transportation tesla-readies-revamped-model-3-with-project-highland-sources-2022-11-28 ) & #x200B (Reuters) - Tesla is developing a revamped version of Model 3 according to four people with knowledge of the effort as the top EV maker aims to cut production costs and boost the appeal of the five-year-old electric sedan. One focus of the redesign codenamed Highland is to reduce the number of components and complexity in the interior of the Model 3 while focusing on features that Tesla buyers value including the display according to the people who asked not to be named because the revamp has not been announced. The previously unreported redesign comes as the electric sedan faces increased competition from models from the likes of China s BYD Hyundai and coming releases from other major automakers. The revamp of the battery-powered sedan which could also include some changes to the Model 3 s exterior and powertrain performance will go into production at Tesla s factory in Shanghai and the company s Fremont California plant two of the people said. Tesla s Shanghai Gigafactory will put the redesigned Model 3 into production in the third quarter of 2023 they said. It was not clear when production would start at the Fremont plant or how large a cost savings Tesla would achieve from the redesign as it works with suppliers. The effort spotlights an approach to vehicle development pioneered by Tesla and now being copied by other automakers including Toyota Motor that removes complexity - and cost - in production. It is also an example of a key project at Tesla that has rolled ahead even as Chief Executive Elon Musk has focused on his troubled acquisition of Twitter in recent months an area of concern for Tesla investors. Tesla did not respond to a written request for comment from Reuters. CHANGE YOU CAN SEE The redesign for the Model 3 builds on the revamp of the Model S -- Tesla s premium EV sedan -- that was released last year. That redesign added an airplane-style yoke in place of a traditional steering wheel and removed buttons and traditional air vents as part of a minimalist interior where the centerpiece is a 17-inch electronic display. The Model 3 Tesla s cheapest EV starting at just under $47 000 in the United States had been the automaker s best-seller but is being overtaken by the Model Y crossover. With only four models in production styling changes to any part of Tesla s lineup carry an outsized importance compared to established automakers. Ed Kim president of AutoPacific Group which tracks market trends and production said the current Model 3 has already been updated from the version that first went on sale in 2017 because of the way Tesla updates battery performance information and entertainment options through software even if it still looks the same. Having said that consumers still tend to equate visual changes with newness he said. Tesla knows visually tangible changes are in order. The upcoming changes that potential customers can see and feel will be very important in ensuring that EV customers still have Tesla at the top of their minds as truly excellent alternatives to Tesla are starting to flood the market he said. KEEP IT SIMPLE Musk has pushed a simplified approach to design and production at Tesla that the Highland project extends said the people with knowledge of the development. Tesla has pioneered the use of massive casting machines known as Giga Press and built by IDRA Group in Italy to make single larger pieces of a vehicle in assembly reducing cost and speeding production. It has also designed a structural battery pack that does away with more expensive modules. Musk has said Tesla is looking to drive costs down through simplification and working on a small-car platform that would be half the cost of the Model 3. Over and over we found parts that are not needed. They were put in there just in case or by mistake. We eliminated so many parts from a car that did nothing Musk said in an interview at a Baron Funds conference earlier in the month. The approach is part of what has made Tesla the most profitable electric vehicle maker while many rivals are still running at a loss. In the third quarter Tesla made a profit of just over $9 500 for every car sold compared to roughly $1 300 for Toyota according to disclosures by both companies. Graphic: Tesla outpaces Toyota in profit per vehicle - https: graphics.reuters.com TESLA-MODEL3 mypmonqbqpr chart.png The revamp of the Model 3 comes at a time when sales in China its second-largest market after the United States are under pressure. Sales for the Model 3 in China fell 9% in the first ten months from a year earlier while BYD s Qin and Han electric sedans outsold the Model 3 according to China Passenger Car Association. To boost sales Tesla cut prices for Model 3 and Model Y in China by as much as 9% in October and offered an additional rebate for buyers who took immediate delivery. Sam Fiorani who tracks Tesla and industry-wide production at Auto Forecast Solutions said the upcoming changes to the Model 3 which he understood were coming showed the power of Tesla s approach in taking out complexity. They are always looking for ways to make EVs profitable and more profitable he said. (Reporting by Zhang Yan in Shanghai Joe White in Detroit and Gilles Guilluame in Paris additional reporting by Kevin Krolicki in Singapore Editing by Ana Nicolaci da Costa) | Wow so many words to transport exactly zero information. It s almost art. | Hope whatever exterior changes they do don t make my current model 3 look outdated | 320 | 5 | 9,979 |
z6wlal | 135 | Tesla Revamped Model 3 - Reuters [https: www.reuters.com business autos-transportation tesla-readies-revamped-model-3-with-project-highland-sources-2022-11-28 ](https: www.reuters.com business autos-transportation tesla-readies-revamped-model-3-with-project-highland-sources-2022-11-28 ) & #x200B (Reuters) - Tesla is developing a revamped version of Model 3 according to four people with knowledge of the effort as the top EV maker aims to cut production costs and boost the appeal of the five-year-old electric sedan. One focus of the redesign codenamed Highland is to reduce the number of components and complexity in the interior of the Model 3 while focusing on features that Tesla buyers value including the display according to the people who asked not to be named because the revamp has not been announced. The previously unreported redesign comes as the electric sedan faces increased competition from models from the likes of China s BYD Hyundai and coming releases from other major automakers. The revamp of the battery-powered sedan which could also include some changes to the Model 3 s exterior and powertrain performance will go into production at Tesla s factory in Shanghai and the company s Fremont California plant two of the people said. Tesla s Shanghai Gigafactory will put the redesigned Model 3 into production in the third quarter of 2023 they said. It was not clear when production would start at the Fremont plant or how large a cost savings Tesla would achieve from the redesign as it works with suppliers. The effort spotlights an approach to vehicle development pioneered by Tesla and now being copied by other automakers including Toyota Motor that removes complexity - and cost - in production. It is also an example of a key project at Tesla that has rolled ahead even as Chief Executive Elon Musk has focused on his troubled acquisition of Twitter in recent months an area of concern for Tesla investors. Tesla did not respond to a written request for comment from Reuters. CHANGE YOU CAN SEE The redesign for the Model 3 builds on the revamp of the Model S -- Tesla s premium EV sedan -- that was released last year. That redesign added an airplane-style yoke in place of a traditional steering wheel and removed buttons and traditional air vents as part of a minimalist interior where the centerpiece is a 17-inch electronic display. The Model 3 Tesla s cheapest EV starting at just under $47 000 in the United States had been the automaker s best-seller but is being overtaken by the Model Y crossover. With only four models in production styling changes to any part of Tesla s lineup carry an outsized importance compared to established automakers. Ed Kim president of AutoPacific Group which tracks market trends and production said the current Model 3 has already been updated from the version that first went on sale in 2017 because of the way Tesla updates battery performance information and entertainment options through software even if it still looks the same. Having said that consumers still tend to equate visual changes with newness he said. Tesla knows visually tangible changes are in order. The upcoming changes that potential customers can see and feel will be very important in ensuring that EV customers still have Tesla at the top of their minds as truly excellent alternatives to Tesla are starting to flood the market he said. KEEP IT SIMPLE Musk has pushed a simplified approach to design and production at Tesla that the Highland project extends said the people with knowledge of the development. Tesla has pioneered the use of massive casting machines known as Giga Press and built by IDRA Group in Italy to make single larger pieces of a vehicle in assembly reducing cost and speeding production. It has also designed a structural battery pack that does away with more expensive modules. Musk has said Tesla is looking to drive costs down through simplification and working on a small-car platform that would be half the cost of the Model 3. Over and over we found parts that are not needed. They were put in there just in case or by mistake. We eliminated so many parts from a car that did nothing Musk said in an interview at a Baron Funds conference earlier in the month. The approach is part of what has made Tesla the most profitable electric vehicle maker while many rivals are still running at a loss. In the third quarter Tesla made a profit of just over $9 500 for every car sold compared to roughly $1 300 for Toyota according to disclosures by both companies. Graphic: Tesla outpaces Toyota in profit per vehicle - https: graphics.reuters.com TESLA-MODEL3 mypmonqbqpr chart.png The revamp of the Model 3 comes at a time when sales in China its second-largest market after the United States are under pressure. Sales for the Model 3 in China fell 9% in the first ten months from a year earlier while BYD s Qin and Han electric sedans outsold the Model 3 according to China Passenger Car Association. To boost sales Tesla cut prices for Model 3 and Model Y in China by as much as 9% in October and offered an additional rebate for buyers who took immediate delivery. Sam Fiorani who tracks Tesla and industry-wide production at Auto Forecast Solutions said the upcoming changes to the Model 3 which he understood were coming showed the power of Tesla s approach in taking out complexity. They are always looking for ways to make EVs profitable and more profitable he said. (Reporting by Zhang Yan in Shanghai Joe White in Detroit and Gilles Guilluame in Paris additional reporting by Kevin Krolicki in Singapore Editing by Ana Nicolaci da Costa) | Wow so many words to transport exactly zero information. It s almost art. | I like how they tie in China sales…like companies don t redo models normally and tesla hasn t had this planned for a while and is only doing it because of sales in China. | 320 | 17 | 9,980 |
z6wlal | 135 | Tesla Revamped Model 3 - Reuters [https: www.reuters.com business autos-transportation tesla-readies-revamped-model-3-with-project-highland-sources-2022-11-28 ](https: www.reuters.com business autos-transportation tesla-readies-revamped-model-3-with-project-highland-sources-2022-11-28 ) & #x200B (Reuters) - Tesla is developing a revamped version of Model 3 according to four people with knowledge of the effort as the top EV maker aims to cut production costs and boost the appeal of the five-year-old electric sedan. One focus of the redesign codenamed Highland is to reduce the number of components and complexity in the interior of the Model 3 while focusing on features that Tesla buyers value including the display according to the people who asked not to be named because the revamp has not been announced. The previously unreported redesign comes as the electric sedan faces increased competition from models from the likes of China s BYD Hyundai and coming releases from other major automakers. The revamp of the battery-powered sedan which could also include some changes to the Model 3 s exterior and powertrain performance will go into production at Tesla s factory in Shanghai and the company s Fremont California plant two of the people said. Tesla s Shanghai Gigafactory will put the redesigned Model 3 into production in the third quarter of 2023 they said. It was not clear when production would start at the Fremont plant or how large a cost savings Tesla would achieve from the redesign as it works with suppliers. The effort spotlights an approach to vehicle development pioneered by Tesla and now being copied by other automakers including Toyota Motor that removes complexity - and cost - in production. It is also an example of a key project at Tesla that has rolled ahead even as Chief Executive Elon Musk has focused on his troubled acquisition of Twitter in recent months an area of concern for Tesla investors. Tesla did not respond to a written request for comment from Reuters. CHANGE YOU CAN SEE The redesign for the Model 3 builds on the revamp of the Model S -- Tesla s premium EV sedan -- that was released last year. That redesign added an airplane-style yoke in place of a traditional steering wheel and removed buttons and traditional air vents as part of a minimalist interior where the centerpiece is a 17-inch electronic display. The Model 3 Tesla s cheapest EV starting at just under $47 000 in the United States had been the automaker s best-seller but is being overtaken by the Model Y crossover. With only four models in production styling changes to any part of Tesla s lineup carry an outsized importance compared to established automakers. Ed Kim president of AutoPacific Group which tracks market trends and production said the current Model 3 has already been updated from the version that first went on sale in 2017 because of the way Tesla updates battery performance information and entertainment options through software even if it still looks the same. Having said that consumers still tend to equate visual changes with newness he said. Tesla knows visually tangible changes are in order. The upcoming changes that potential customers can see and feel will be very important in ensuring that EV customers still have Tesla at the top of their minds as truly excellent alternatives to Tesla are starting to flood the market he said. KEEP IT SIMPLE Musk has pushed a simplified approach to design and production at Tesla that the Highland project extends said the people with knowledge of the development. Tesla has pioneered the use of massive casting machines known as Giga Press and built by IDRA Group in Italy to make single larger pieces of a vehicle in assembly reducing cost and speeding production. It has also designed a structural battery pack that does away with more expensive modules. Musk has said Tesla is looking to drive costs down through simplification and working on a small-car platform that would be half the cost of the Model 3. Over and over we found parts that are not needed. They were put in there just in case or by mistake. We eliminated so many parts from a car that did nothing Musk said in an interview at a Baron Funds conference earlier in the month. The approach is part of what has made Tesla the most profitable electric vehicle maker while many rivals are still running at a loss. In the third quarter Tesla made a profit of just over $9 500 for every car sold compared to roughly $1 300 for Toyota according to disclosures by both companies. Graphic: Tesla outpaces Toyota in profit per vehicle - https: graphics.reuters.com TESLA-MODEL3 mypmonqbqpr chart.png The revamp of the Model 3 comes at a time when sales in China its second-largest market after the United States are under pressure. Sales for the Model 3 in China fell 9% in the first ten months from a year earlier while BYD s Qin and Han electric sedans outsold the Model 3 according to China Passenger Car Association. To boost sales Tesla cut prices for Model 3 and Model Y in China by as much as 9% in October and offered an additional rebate for buyers who took immediate delivery. Sam Fiorani who tracks Tesla and industry-wide production at Auto Forecast Solutions said the upcoming changes to the Model 3 which he understood were coming showed the power of Tesla s approach in taking out complexity. They are always looking for ways to make EVs profitable and more profitable he said. (Reporting by Zhang Yan in Shanghai Joe White in Detroit and Gilles Guilluame in Paris additional reporting by Kevin Krolicki in Singapore Editing by Ana Nicolaci da Costa) | Wow so many words to transport exactly zero information. It s almost art. | This probably ties into the stalkless design that they ve done. I don t think they ll get a yoke but I do think they ll go stalkless and mirror the refresh S X a bit more. | 320 | 19 | 9,981 |
zr8rrm | 551 | Apple Music on Tesla appears to use the HE-AAC codec at 64 kbps. Explanation and testing inside. I got off my arse and did some very simple testing. It is my opinion that Apple is using the HE-AAC codec at 64 kbps when streaming Apple Music via the Tesla UI. My testing methodology and results are below. ##Methodology * iPhone 14 mobile hotspot * [Hotspot Monitor Data Usage](https: apps.apple.com us app hotspot-monitor-data-usage id1037580658) from the Apple app store to monitor data traffic. * 2019 Model 3 on 2022.44.25.1 (we also have a 2021 Model Y on 2022.44.25.3 but I haven t seen an indication that bitrates were adjusted between these versions) From there I would monitor the data usage of the car while streaming music. I would match the data usage per song up to Apple s claims to see which codec is likely being used. [Per the Apple Music settings it says (for a three minute song):](https: imgur.com a gRt5Qib) * 1.5MB for HE-AAC (64k) * 6MBfor AAC (256k) * 36MB for Lossless (ALAC) * 145MB for Hi-Res Lossless (24-bit 192kHz) ##Results Through multiple songs I observed the same pattern - A burst of data as the next track began then a trickle of data throughout the song. It appears to buffer most or even all of the song then pause between tracks to do it again. On average I saw ~2MB per track with ~1.7MB during the initial burst and ~0.3MB throughout the track. This is consistent with the HE-AAC standard as most of these songs were a little over 3 minutes in length. This leads me to believe that Apple is using their HE-AAC codec at 64 kbps. ##Possible Questions Concerns (I ll update this with good questions from the comments) **Q: How can you be certain that Apple is using HE-AAC and not another codec?** **A:** I can t be certain but it s a reasonable guess. Apple uses very specific codecs for their 4 quality settings for Apple Music. Tesla s UI streams via Apple Music. It would be highly unlikely for Apple to make a codec unique to this one specific application given the size of their catalog. ~~That said it s certainly possible that they have a hidden lower setting (32 kbps?) for embedded applications such as this.~~See the last question. **Q: Could they be using a higher bitrate over LTE?** **A:** Not likely. There is no benefit to nerfing the bitrate over Wifi compared to LTE. There is benefit to nerfing it over LTE as Tesla bulk buys data for their premium connectivity subscribers and the incentive is to get as much out of it as possible while using as little as possible. **Q: Ok but why does it sound so much better to me?** **A:** 1) You re in a car not an isolated and quiet listening environment. It s virtually impossible to tell the different between high quality lossy and lossless compression in such an environment. Secondly [multiple listening tests (notes 10-13)](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki High-Efficiency_Advanced_Audio_Coding#cite_note-10) have shown that users cannot tell the difference between HE-AAC at 64 kbps and MP3 via a high quality encoder at 128 kbps even in isolated environments. Both Apple and Tesla likely felt that this was good enough for automotive use and Tesla has incentive to minimize data consumption for their premium connectivity. **Q: Would it be better for me to stream over Bluetooth? And if so should I use high-quality (256 kbps AAC) or lossless?** **A:** 1) Premium connectivity is a convenience that you pay for. Using Apple Music over BT will yield higher sound quality and if that s the only reason you had premium connectivity it will save you money. 2) If you use high-quality (AAC 256 kbps) it will play back using AAC over BT so you should lose no additional quality going from phone to car. If you use lossless there is debate if it would transcode to AAC or SBC. Best case you re introducing a non-zero amount of additional battery drain for no benefit (AAC) worst-case is you get SBC and it sounds slightly worse. Use High Quality. **Q: Is it a Tesla AT& T or Apple limitation that we can t have offline storage and higher bitrates?** **A:** Of the three my personal bet is on Apple limiting the choices and Tesla choosing the lower of the two but this is highly speculative. But I ll try to source it. Apple allows for the embedding of Apple Music via JavaScript. Tesla uses JavaScript for much of their UI and app interfaces. So it s a safe bet that Tesla is pulling from that. [Per this link](https: developer.apple.com documentation musickitjs musickit playbackbitrate) (thanks u smithre4) Apple Music s embedded application(s) only support streaming (no offline) with bitrates set to HIGH (256 kbps) or STANDARD (64 kbps). | Very cool analysis. Thanks. I was wondering why Apple Music over Bluetooth sounded better than the native music app in my Model S. Do you think that was a placebo effect or is there discernible difference? I also felt Apple Music over BT was way better than Spotify native app. | Cool info thanks! | 92 | 3 | 9,982 |
zr8rrm | 551 | Apple Music on Tesla appears to use the HE-AAC codec at 64 kbps. Explanation and testing inside. I got off my arse and did some very simple testing. It is my opinion that Apple is using the HE-AAC codec at 64 kbps when streaming Apple Music via the Tesla UI. My testing methodology and results are below. ##Methodology * iPhone 14 mobile hotspot * [Hotspot Monitor Data Usage](https: apps.apple.com us app hotspot-monitor-data-usage id1037580658) from the Apple app store to monitor data traffic. * 2019 Model 3 on 2022.44.25.1 (we also have a 2021 Model Y on 2022.44.25.3 but I haven t seen an indication that bitrates were adjusted between these versions) From there I would monitor the data usage of the car while streaming music. I would match the data usage per song up to Apple s claims to see which codec is likely being used. [Per the Apple Music settings it says (for a three minute song):](https: imgur.com a gRt5Qib) * 1.5MB for HE-AAC (64k) * 6MBfor AAC (256k) * 36MB for Lossless (ALAC) * 145MB for Hi-Res Lossless (24-bit 192kHz) ##Results Through multiple songs I observed the same pattern - A burst of data as the next track began then a trickle of data throughout the song. It appears to buffer most or even all of the song then pause between tracks to do it again. On average I saw ~2MB per track with ~1.7MB during the initial burst and ~0.3MB throughout the track. This is consistent with the HE-AAC standard as most of these songs were a little over 3 minutes in length. This leads me to believe that Apple is using their HE-AAC codec at 64 kbps. ##Possible Questions Concerns (I ll update this with good questions from the comments) **Q: How can you be certain that Apple is using HE-AAC and not another codec?** **A:** I can t be certain but it s a reasonable guess. Apple uses very specific codecs for their 4 quality settings for Apple Music. Tesla s UI streams via Apple Music. It would be highly unlikely for Apple to make a codec unique to this one specific application given the size of their catalog. ~~That said it s certainly possible that they have a hidden lower setting (32 kbps?) for embedded applications such as this.~~See the last question. **Q: Could they be using a higher bitrate over LTE?** **A:** Not likely. There is no benefit to nerfing the bitrate over Wifi compared to LTE. There is benefit to nerfing it over LTE as Tesla bulk buys data for their premium connectivity subscribers and the incentive is to get as much out of it as possible while using as little as possible. **Q: Ok but why does it sound so much better to me?** **A:** 1) You re in a car not an isolated and quiet listening environment. It s virtually impossible to tell the different between high quality lossy and lossless compression in such an environment. Secondly [multiple listening tests (notes 10-13)](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki High-Efficiency_Advanced_Audio_Coding#cite_note-10) have shown that users cannot tell the difference between HE-AAC at 64 kbps and MP3 via a high quality encoder at 128 kbps even in isolated environments. Both Apple and Tesla likely felt that this was good enough for automotive use and Tesla has incentive to minimize data consumption for their premium connectivity. **Q: Would it be better for me to stream over Bluetooth? And if so should I use high-quality (256 kbps AAC) or lossless?** **A:** 1) Premium connectivity is a convenience that you pay for. Using Apple Music over BT will yield higher sound quality and if that s the only reason you had premium connectivity it will save you money. 2) If you use high-quality (AAC 256 kbps) it will play back using AAC over BT so you should lose no additional quality going from phone to car. If you use lossless there is debate if it would transcode to AAC or SBC. Best case you re introducing a non-zero amount of additional battery drain for no benefit (AAC) worst-case is you get SBC and it sounds slightly worse. Use High Quality. **Q: Is it a Tesla AT& T or Apple limitation that we can t have offline storage and higher bitrates?** **A:** Of the three my personal bet is on Apple limiting the choices and Tesla choosing the lower of the two but this is highly speculative. But I ll try to source it. Apple allows for the embedding of Apple Music via JavaScript. Tesla uses JavaScript for much of their UI and app interfaces. So it s a safe bet that Tesla is pulling from that. [Per this link](https: developer.apple.com documentation musickitjs musickit playbackbitrate) (thanks u smithre4) Apple Music s embedded application(s) only support streaming (no offline) with bitrates set to HIGH (256 kbps) or STANDARD (64 kbps). | Very cool analysis. Thanks. I was wondering why Apple Music over Bluetooth sounded better than the native music app in my Model S. Do you think that was a placebo effect or is there discernible difference? I also felt Apple Music over BT was way better than Spotify native app. | Sooo I should stick with Tidal then? | 92 | 11 | 9,983 |
zr8rrm | 551 | Apple Music on Tesla appears to use the HE-AAC codec at 64 kbps. Explanation and testing inside. I got off my arse and did some very simple testing. It is my opinion that Apple is using the HE-AAC codec at 64 kbps when streaming Apple Music via the Tesla UI. My testing methodology and results are below. ##Methodology * iPhone 14 mobile hotspot * [Hotspot Monitor Data Usage](https: apps.apple.com us app hotspot-monitor-data-usage id1037580658) from the Apple app store to monitor data traffic. * 2019 Model 3 on 2022.44.25.1 (we also have a 2021 Model Y on 2022.44.25.3 but I haven t seen an indication that bitrates were adjusted between these versions) From there I would monitor the data usage of the car while streaming music. I would match the data usage per song up to Apple s claims to see which codec is likely being used. [Per the Apple Music settings it says (for a three minute song):](https: imgur.com a gRt5Qib) * 1.5MB for HE-AAC (64k) * 6MBfor AAC (256k) * 36MB for Lossless (ALAC) * 145MB for Hi-Res Lossless (24-bit 192kHz) ##Results Through multiple songs I observed the same pattern - A burst of data as the next track began then a trickle of data throughout the song. It appears to buffer most or even all of the song then pause between tracks to do it again. On average I saw ~2MB per track with ~1.7MB during the initial burst and ~0.3MB throughout the track. This is consistent with the HE-AAC standard as most of these songs were a little over 3 minutes in length. This leads me to believe that Apple is using their HE-AAC codec at 64 kbps. ##Possible Questions Concerns (I ll update this with good questions from the comments) **Q: How can you be certain that Apple is using HE-AAC and not another codec?** **A:** I can t be certain but it s a reasonable guess. Apple uses very specific codecs for their 4 quality settings for Apple Music. Tesla s UI streams via Apple Music. It would be highly unlikely for Apple to make a codec unique to this one specific application given the size of their catalog. ~~That said it s certainly possible that they have a hidden lower setting (32 kbps?) for embedded applications such as this.~~See the last question. **Q: Could they be using a higher bitrate over LTE?** **A:** Not likely. There is no benefit to nerfing the bitrate over Wifi compared to LTE. There is benefit to nerfing it over LTE as Tesla bulk buys data for their premium connectivity subscribers and the incentive is to get as much out of it as possible while using as little as possible. **Q: Ok but why does it sound so much better to me?** **A:** 1) You re in a car not an isolated and quiet listening environment. It s virtually impossible to tell the different between high quality lossy and lossless compression in such an environment. Secondly [multiple listening tests (notes 10-13)](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki High-Efficiency_Advanced_Audio_Coding#cite_note-10) have shown that users cannot tell the difference between HE-AAC at 64 kbps and MP3 via a high quality encoder at 128 kbps even in isolated environments. Both Apple and Tesla likely felt that this was good enough for automotive use and Tesla has incentive to minimize data consumption for their premium connectivity. **Q: Would it be better for me to stream over Bluetooth? And if so should I use high-quality (256 kbps AAC) or lossless?** **A:** 1) Premium connectivity is a convenience that you pay for. Using Apple Music over BT will yield higher sound quality and if that s the only reason you had premium connectivity it will save you money. 2) If you use high-quality (AAC 256 kbps) it will play back using AAC over BT so you should lose no additional quality going from phone to car. If you use lossless there is debate if it would transcode to AAC or SBC. Best case you re introducing a non-zero amount of additional battery drain for no benefit (AAC) worst-case is you get SBC and it sounds slightly worse. Use High Quality. **Q: Is it a Tesla AT& T or Apple limitation that we can t have offline storage and higher bitrates?** **A:** Of the three my personal bet is on Apple limiting the choices and Tesla choosing the lower of the two but this is highly speculative. But I ll try to source it. Apple allows for the embedding of Apple Music via JavaScript. Tesla uses JavaScript for much of their UI and app interfaces. So it s a safe bet that Tesla is pulling from that. [Per this link](https: developer.apple.com documentation musickitjs musickit playbackbitrate) (thanks u smithre4) Apple Music s embedded application(s) only support streaming (no offline) with bitrates set to HIGH (256 kbps) or STANDARD (64 kbps). | Great research. I m really disappointed but not surprised with the Apple Music functionality. There are so many issues with the UI and the playback. 1. No gapless playback. Listening to a mix you get a jarring gap in what should be a seamless transition between songs. 2. No searching your library. 3. Browse your library by artist and selecting an artist doesn t show the stuff in your library rather it shows the Apple Music list of items 4. A simple A-Z list would be so useful when browsing your songs albums artists 5. Having to scroll to the bottom of the page to press the next page button. If I or my team had developed something to this standard serious words would be being had. D- See me Tesla. | Cool info thanks! | 52 | 3 | 9,984 |
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