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ha6ex4 | 44 | 2 weeks from FSD price increase and no AP rewrite leaks. Normally we see leaks of major upcoming software updates weeks in advance. Either Tesla has really cracked down on the early access program or it may not be coming July 1st. Remember how many videos we saw of smart summon? What additional features do you think are coming July 2020 to justify the increase? At this point I m thinking it might just be additional sign intersection recognition and no confirmation Stop Control. | What makes you think anything new is coming July 1? I think the price increase is for the already released stop light and stop sign stopping. If I remember correctly the last price increase happened about a month after Smart Summon was released. Nothing new was released on the date of the price increase. | Probably push the increase well into August cause they never get anything done on time even price increases. | 40 | 12 | 7,106 |
hahek4 | 1,049 | Anyone else upgrade from Prius to Telsa? I m now a week into owning my Model 3 and holy crap! I didn t realize I was driving a wind up toy before. The acceleration difference is insane. And it s not just for the fun of it. It feels safer. I don t need to make the impossible calculation of how long it will take to make a left turn across traffic or get on a freeway from the ramp. I just press the pedal and I m there. It is incredible. I can t go back! I ll never go back! | No but my wife referred to my baby as a Prius by accident the other day to a friend of ours. Shame. The kids will miss her. EDIT thank you kind stranger for the gold :) | Kinda. Prius -> R32 -> S6 -> S8 -> Model 3 -> Model S | 869 | 2 | 7,107 |
hahek4 | 1,049 | Anyone else upgrade from Prius to Telsa? I m now a week into owning my Model 3 and holy crap! I didn t realize I was driving a wind up toy before. The acceleration difference is insane. And it s not just for the fun of it. It feels safer. I don t need to make the impossible calculation of how long it will take to make a left turn across traffic or get on a freeway from the ramp. I just press the pedal and I m there. It is incredible. I can t go back! I ll never go back! | No but my wife referred to my baby as a Prius by accident the other day to a friend of ours. Shame. The kids will miss her. EDIT thank you kind stranger for the gold :) | Yep 2005 Prius to 2016 Model S | 869 | 2 | 7,108 |
hahek4 | 1,049 | Anyone else upgrade from Prius to Telsa? I m now a week into owning my Model 3 and holy crap! I didn t realize I was driving a wind up toy before. The acceleration difference is insane. And it s not just for the fun of it. It feels safer. I don t need to make the impossible calculation of how long it will take to make a left turn across traffic or get on a freeway from the ramp. I just press the pedal and I m there. It is incredible. I can t go back! I ll never go back! | No but my wife referred to my baby as a Prius by accident the other day to a friend of ours. Shame. The kids will miss her. EDIT thank you kind stranger for the gold :) | I did 2007 Prius -> 2015 Model S. Never going back | 869 | 2 | 7,109 |
hapu64 | 241 | What s with the ridiculously high re-sale prices on Model 3 s? Apologies if this is a frowned upon type of post but I m finally getting closer to being able to afford a Tesla and I ve been browsing classified ads. It seems like nearly every Model 3 owner out there thinks their 2 year old car is worth just as much as a brand new one (even before tax credits.). Are people delusional or just trying to sucker someone into paying the same price for a used car as a new one costs? Example: https: www.ebay.com itm 2018-Tesla-Tesla-Model-3 333626397402?hash=item4dadaed2da:g:PQYAAOSwElNe55sl Am I wrong or is that exact car (or thereabout) the exact same price direct from Tesla? | I ended up buying new because the used ones available were only a few thousand less. I think it s just supply and demand and as the years go on used Teslas will depreciate in price the same as others. | Robo taxi dreams aside it s just a great car and more importantly a well supported software platform. Same reason iPhones hold their value. | 222 | 35 | 7,110 |
hapu64 | 241 | What s with the ridiculously high re-sale prices on Model 3 s? Apologies if this is a frowned upon type of post but I m finally getting closer to being able to afford a Tesla and I ve been browsing classified ads. It seems like nearly every Model 3 owner out there thinks their 2 year old car is worth just as much as a brand new one (even before tax credits.). Are people delusional or just trying to sucker someone into paying the same price for a used car as a new one costs? Example: https: www.ebay.com itm 2018-Tesla-Tesla-Model-3 333626397402?hash=item4dadaed2da:g:PQYAAOSwElNe55sl Am I wrong or is that exact car (or thereabout) the exact same price direct from Tesla? | If it sells it sells. Just got an appraisal on my car due to diminshed value from an accident and the three appraisals averaged came back just over what I paid for the car a year ago.... without the credits. | these are not like regular car. my old Audi A6 was a piece of crap at 200000km and the engine eventually broke because too old. teslas electrical motors are in mint condition even after 200000km. so if exterior and interior is i. good condition too it is normal to have high price for used cars. | 54 | 5 | 7,111 |
hapu64 | 241 | What s with the ridiculously high re-sale prices on Model 3 s? Apologies if this is a frowned upon type of post but I m finally getting closer to being able to afford a Tesla and I ve been browsing classified ads. It seems like nearly every Model 3 owner out there thinks their 2 year old car is worth just as much as a brand new one (even before tax credits.). Are people delusional or just trying to sucker someone into paying the same price for a used car as a new one costs? Example: https: www.ebay.com itm 2018-Tesla-Tesla-Model-3 333626397402?hash=item4dadaed2da:g:PQYAAOSwElNe55sl Am I wrong or is that exact car (or thereabout) the exact same price direct from Tesla? | Believe it or not KBB puts that car at about $40k private party. Probably because the mileage is so low. But yeah that seems a little crazy when a new SR+ is $39k. Guess that s a good thing for my 2018 LR RWD resale. | Robo taxi dreams aside it s just a great car and more importantly a well supported software platform. Same reason iPhones hold their value. | 75 | 35 | 7,112 |
haq8bp | 60 | Used model 3 prices are outrageous! What s with the used model 3 prices? A used dealer close to me has a 2019 long range model 3 with 23k miles up for 46900 while a new one is 46990. After looking at more used prices I noticed they are all asking this. Are people really paying new prices to skip a 6 week wait or is there something else I m not seeing? | High resale value. That is a good thing. The prices are that high because people are willing to pay that much. | Well are people willing to pay that much? If so then it s not priced improperly. Econ 101 | 49 | 3 | 7,113 |
haq8bp | 60 | Used model 3 prices are outrageous! What s with the used model 3 prices? A used dealer close to me has a 2019 long range model 3 with 23k miles up for 46900 while a new one is 46990. After looking at more used prices I noticed they are all asking this. Are people really paying new prices to skip a 6 week wait or is there something else I m not seeing? | High resale value. That is a good thing. The prices are that high because people are willing to pay that much. | I have noticed insane used prices. What s really funny is you can get better financing on new cars so the new car becomes even more attractive when you factor that in. The only thing I can gather is that for low mileage used cars they are are factoring the get it now appeal. | 49 | 9 | 7,114 |
haq8bp | 60 | Used model 3 prices are outrageous! What s with the used model 3 prices? A used dealer close to me has a 2019 long range model 3 with 23k miles up for 46900 while a new one is 46990. After looking at more used prices I noticed they are all asking this. Are people really paying new prices to skip a 6 week wait or is there something else I m not seeing? | High resale value. That is a good thing. The prices are that high because people are willing to pay that much. | Because it s a desirable car available immediately where new has a wait time of what like 4 weeks now? It might also include features like EAP or FSD that aren t included in the base price of a new car. | 49 | 19 | 7,115 |
haycoi | 251 | When Tesla Service Gets It Right 2018 Model 3 LR. A squeak developed that was super annoying. I set up a service apt online and was told to expect a $150 diagnostic fee. Ok I figured thats fine. Dropped off car at 8am got a sweet Model S on loan. At 11:30am I got a text the car was ready. When I arrived I was informed they found the issue- there was some seal under the wipers that become unsealed somehow they fixed it and the problem was solved. He then said there would be no fee as the issue is covered under warranty. I know Tesla has some issues with quality control and service but I feel we always hear the bad stuff but never the routine “all goes well” where the customer was taken care of perfectly. | I have always had great service from Tesla. Most of the time it has been the mobile service. Most recently I took my M3 into the service centre to get the HW3.0. Started it on the app coordinated via text dropped off the vehicle the following week at the service centre entrance found the MS loaner at the charging section drove away. Pick up was the reverse. Completely digital and contactless. | I had something similar: Brand new Model X and one of the front USB ports didn t work. Mobile service replaced the USB hub that s in there and it works great. No charge of course. It was done in 20 minutes. I also owned two prior Model S that didn t really have service needs so there s nothing to complain about. It s easy to get bogged down in the negative reports. They definitely happen but I think they re the exception far more than the rule. | 30 | 2 | 7,116 |
haycoi | 251 | When Tesla Service Gets It Right 2018 Model 3 LR. A squeak developed that was super annoying. I set up a service apt online and was told to expect a $150 diagnostic fee. Ok I figured thats fine. Dropped off car at 8am got a sweet Model S on loan. At 11:30am I got a text the car was ready. When I arrived I was informed they found the issue- there was some seal under the wipers that become unsealed somehow they fixed it and the problem was solved. He then said there would be no fee as the issue is covered under warranty. I know Tesla has some issues with quality control and service but I feel we always hear the bad stuff but never the routine “all goes well” where the customer was taken care of perfectly. | I have always had great service from Tesla. Most of the time it has been the mobile service. Most recently I took my M3 into the service centre to get the HW3.0. Started it on the app coordinated via text dropped off the vehicle the following week at the service centre entrance found the MS loaner at the charging section drove away. Pick up was the reverse. Completely digital and contactless. | Is this your first Tesla service appointment? I have had about 6 in AZ over the last 4 years and every single one has been outstanding. I ve never had to pay a dime and they always go above and beyond. I think 99% of service appts are like mine and 1% are rough and that 1% gets amplified by the anti-Tesla league. | 30 | 3 | 7,117 |
hb1mn7 | 211 | After fixing salvage Teslas for 4 years finally took delivery of a brand new Model Y. My thoughts. This is literally the first brand new and the first clean title car I ve ever owned. I ve been repairing totaled Tesla cars for around 4 years and here is what I have. The build quality is great very minor gap issues which honestly should have been addressed prior to me seeing the car but I knew that s an issue. A few interior blemishes that should have been fixed. The car drives great no rattles whatsoever. I was most worried about the bumpers not matching color but they look great! The paperwork is a little silly. They gave me a FedEx envelope with the registration forms I needed to sign and they want me to sign it and drop it off. I could have signed it on the spot and saved them the $20 they spent on buying a FedEx express label. * [Passenger Headlamp quite a large gap with the fender. Not a big deal but it is noticeable when looking closely.](https: i.imgur.com OD9iK48.jpg) * [Hood Gap: Gap is not consistent all the way through.](https: i.imgur.com aQaYcjB.jpg) * [Fender to Front Door Gap: Inconsistent - Left to Right Side] (https: imgur.com a iNLjtTF) * [Driver Fender: Has a paint chip](https: i.imgur.com Wwx9Tlh.jpg) * [Rear Bumper: Has a tiny paint chip. Would have been fine on any other color but it s visible on white. Simple touch up will fix it.](https: i.imgur.com 9iSv4LE.jpg) * [Rear Bumper: Lower part of the bumper has scuffs. It ll probably wipe away but that s definitely something a customer should not see when picking up their new car.](https: i.imgur.com w7882xA.jpg) * [Doors: All the doors were adjusted at some point and the bolts hinges should have been touched up.](https: imgur.com a Xeh8hrv) * [A Pillar Trim: This trim was not sitting the way it s supposed to. Something that should have been fixed prior to my arrival but they did fix it before I left.](https: i.imgur.com OD9iK48.jpg) * [Aero Shields: The rear aero shield had 3 missing clips which might cause it to catch a drift of air and get pulled down and cause damaged. The front bumper had 1 missing clip on the bottom of the vehicle.](https: imgur.com a Ze1Yw4q) * [Trunk: The interior trim inside the trunk was scuffed up on the driver side. I don t see how they can be that scuffed up on a brand new car.](https: imgur.com a 5ER0Me8) * [Passenger Side B Pillar: This trim piece was not pressed in all the way and has to be adjusted.] (https: imgur.com a EWXzg5L) Overall a good first new car buying experience but the interior trim should most definitely have been corrected prior to making the car available to the buyer. 9 10 would buy again. | I took delivery of a model Y 2 days ago and I think I m returning it. The more and more I look at it the more I see blemishes in the paint-almost as if the paint booth just has shit flying around inside of it. It is on almost every area. There are so many panel gaps trim that isn t the same color fender guards that are scraped and don t seem like they fit correctly. I know they are in a rush to deliver these but there seems to be NO quality control. The sales person was almost dismissive of all the blemishes I pointed out and took pictures that he never sent me like he said he would during delivery. The quality just isn t there. Its not ready and quite frankly I m not ready to pay 71k for a car that is in this condition. I don t care that service will fix it . Its just not right. It should never leave the factory in this condition no less be delivered to a customer. Never ever would a new car be delivered with so many flaws from any major brand. I don t know what their excuse is but it is pretty unacceptable IMO. | So...are you going to fix all those little things yourself? | 47 | 5 | 7,118 |
hb1mn7 | 211 | After fixing salvage Teslas for 4 years finally took delivery of a brand new Model Y. My thoughts. This is literally the first brand new and the first clean title car I ve ever owned. I ve been repairing totaled Tesla cars for around 4 years and here is what I have. The build quality is great very minor gap issues which honestly should have been addressed prior to me seeing the car but I knew that s an issue. A few interior blemishes that should have been fixed. The car drives great no rattles whatsoever. I was most worried about the bumpers not matching color but they look great! The paperwork is a little silly. They gave me a FedEx envelope with the registration forms I needed to sign and they want me to sign it and drop it off. I could have signed it on the spot and saved them the $20 they spent on buying a FedEx express label. * [Passenger Headlamp quite a large gap with the fender. Not a big deal but it is noticeable when looking closely.](https: i.imgur.com OD9iK48.jpg) * [Hood Gap: Gap is not consistent all the way through.](https: i.imgur.com aQaYcjB.jpg) * [Fender to Front Door Gap: Inconsistent - Left to Right Side] (https: imgur.com a iNLjtTF) * [Driver Fender: Has a paint chip](https: i.imgur.com Wwx9Tlh.jpg) * [Rear Bumper: Has a tiny paint chip. Would have been fine on any other color but it s visible on white. Simple touch up will fix it.](https: i.imgur.com 9iSv4LE.jpg) * [Rear Bumper: Lower part of the bumper has scuffs. It ll probably wipe away but that s definitely something a customer should not see when picking up their new car.](https: i.imgur.com w7882xA.jpg) * [Doors: All the doors were adjusted at some point and the bolts hinges should have been touched up.](https: imgur.com a Xeh8hrv) * [A Pillar Trim: This trim was not sitting the way it s supposed to. Something that should have been fixed prior to my arrival but they did fix it before I left.](https: i.imgur.com OD9iK48.jpg) * [Aero Shields: The rear aero shield had 3 missing clips which might cause it to catch a drift of air and get pulled down and cause damaged. The front bumper had 1 missing clip on the bottom of the vehicle.](https: imgur.com a Ze1Yw4q) * [Trunk: The interior trim inside the trunk was scuffed up on the driver side. I don t see how they can be that scuffed up on a brand new car.](https: imgur.com a 5ER0Me8) * [Passenger Side B Pillar: This trim piece was not pressed in all the way and has to be adjusted.] (https: imgur.com a EWXzg5L) Overall a good first new car buying experience but the interior trim should most definitely have been corrected prior to making the car available to the buyer. 9 10 would buy again. | I took delivery of a model Y 2 days ago and I think I m returning it. The more and more I look at it the more I see blemishes in the paint-almost as if the paint booth just has shit flying around inside of it. It is on almost every area. There are so many panel gaps trim that isn t the same color fender guards that are scraped and don t seem like they fit correctly. I know they are in a rush to deliver these but there seems to be NO quality control. The sales person was almost dismissive of all the blemishes I pointed out and took pictures that he never sent me like he said he would during delivery. The quality just isn t there. Its not ready and quite frankly I m not ready to pay 71k for a car that is in this condition. I don t care that service will fix it . Its just not right. It should never leave the factory in this condition no less be delivered to a customer. Never ever would a new car be delivered with so many flaws from any major brand. I don t know what their excuse is but it is pretty unacceptable IMO. | What is the color on that car? Looks like a grey matte color or something like that. Lookin good man! Rock on 🤙🏻🤙🏻 | 47 | 5 | 7,119 |
hb1mn7 | 211 | After fixing salvage Teslas for 4 years finally took delivery of a brand new Model Y. My thoughts. This is literally the first brand new and the first clean title car I ve ever owned. I ve been repairing totaled Tesla cars for around 4 years and here is what I have. The build quality is great very minor gap issues which honestly should have been addressed prior to me seeing the car but I knew that s an issue. A few interior blemishes that should have been fixed. The car drives great no rattles whatsoever. I was most worried about the bumpers not matching color but they look great! The paperwork is a little silly. They gave me a FedEx envelope with the registration forms I needed to sign and they want me to sign it and drop it off. I could have signed it on the spot and saved them the $20 they spent on buying a FedEx express label. * [Passenger Headlamp quite a large gap with the fender. Not a big deal but it is noticeable when looking closely.](https: i.imgur.com OD9iK48.jpg) * [Hood Gap: Gap is not consistent all the way through.](https: i.imgur.com aQaYcjB.jpg) * [Fender to Front Door Gap: Inconsistent - Left to Right Side] (https: imgur.com a iNLjtTF) * [Driver Fender: Has a paint chip](https: i.imgur.com Wwx9Tlh.jpg) * [Rear Bumper: Has a tiny paint chip. Would have been fine on any other color but it s visible on white. Simple touch up will fix it.](https: i.imgur.com 9iSv4LE.jpg) * [Rear Bumper: Lower part of the bumper has scuffs. It ll probably wipe away but that s definitely something a customer should not see when picking up their new car.](https: i.imgur.com w7882xA.jpg) * [Doors: All the doors were adjusted at some point and the bolts hinges should have been touched up.](https: imgur.com a Xeh8hrv) * [A Pillar Trim: This trim was not sitting the way it s supposed to. Something that should have been fixed prior to my arrival but they did fix it before I left.](https: i.imgur.com OD9iK48.jpg) * [Aero Shields: The rear aero shield had 3 missing clips which might cause it to catch a drift of air and get pulled down and cause damaged. The front bumper had 1 missing clip on the bottom of the vehicle.](https: imgur.com a Ze1Yw4q) * [Trunk: The interior trim inside the trunk was scuffed up on the driver side. I don t see how they can be that scuffed up on a brand new car.](https: imgur.com a 5ER0Me8) * [Passenger Side B Pillar: This trim piece was not pressed in all the way and has to be adjusted.] (https: imgur.com a EWXzg5L) Overall a good first new car buying experience but the interior trim should most definitely have been corrected prior to making the car available to the buyer. 9 10 would buy again. | I took delivery of a model Y 2 days ago and I think I m returning it. The more and more I look at it the more I see blemishes in the paint-almost as if the paint booth just has shit flying around inside of it. It is on almost every area. There are so many panel gaps trim that isn t the same color fender guards that are scraped and don t seem like they fit correctly. I know they are in a rush to deliver these but there seems to be NO quality control. The sales person was almost dismissive of all the blemishes I pointed out and took pictures that he never sent me like he said he would during delivery. The quality just isn t there. Its not ready and quite frankly I m not ready to pay 71k for a car that is in this condition. I don t care that service will fix it . Its just not right. It should never leave the factory in this condition no less be delivered to a customer. Never ever would a new car be delivered with so many flaws from any major brand. I don t know what their excuse is but it is pretty unacceptable IMO. | Do you know how many of your salvaged Teslas ended up getting cutoff from supercharging? | 47 | 9 | 7,120 |
hbdk4e | 767 | Upcoming features in 2020.24.x - Triple Backup Camera Improvements Enabling Cabin Camera Sentry Improvements and more... We re getting a **LOT** of posts about the recent discoveries coming in updates. This is **NOT** a megathread for the version (that happens when > 5% of folks actually receive the update) but this is simply a centralized post to discuss what we re learning about as it s not in many cars yet and to reduce reposts. What we ve learned.... [Release Notes](https: imgur.com Be0k4XH) [The best article we ve found](https: driveteslacanada.ca software-updates tesla-releases-2020-20-16-software-update-packed-full-with-highly-requested-features ) summarizing what s upcoming. Related Posts - [1](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hb7rxo now_you_can_see_the_side_rear_view_in_the_big ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x) [2](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hb8qhp tesla_interior_camera_records_video_during_break ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x) Anyone else wonder if the side cams should be up top instead? Discuss here please! | For me the Triple Backup Camera is the biggest improvement. Makes it easier to park. | For me nothing groundbreaking but a lot of “nice to have” features. I have a special “service” profile I use when working on the car or washing it so the doors don t lock (mainly to avoid the mirrors folding) so this new walk away feature will mean I don t have to change modes when washing. The backup camera is nice especially in close spaces (like my garage). Not sure how I feel about the cabin camera. I don t think Tesla is spying on us but nevertheless I have a camera cover from Kenriko. That way I don t have to worry about if they are really spying or not. I was really hoping the next release would have additional features or improvements to FSD Autopilot though. | 216 | 9 | 7,121 |
hbdk4e | 767 | Upcoming features in 2020.24.x - Triple Backup Camera Improvements Enabling Cabin Camera Sentry Improvements and more... We re getting a **LOT** of posts about the recent discoveries coming in updates. This is **NOT** a megathread for the version (that happens when > 5% of folks actually receive the update) but this is simply a centralized post to discuss what we re learning about as it s not in many cars yet and to reduce reposts. What we ve learned.... [Release Notes](https: imgur.com Be0k4XH) [The best article we ve found](https: driveteslacanada.ca software-updates tesla-releases-2020-20-16-software-update-packed-full-with-highly-requested-features ) summarizing what s upcoming. Related Posts - [1](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hb7rxo now_you_can_see_the_side_rear_view_in_the_big ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x) [2](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hb8qhp tesla_interior_camera_records_video_during_break ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x) Anyone else wonder if the side cams should be up top instead? Discuss here please! | For me the Triple Backup Camera is the biggest improvement. Makes it easier to park. | Nice Portuguese but PT or BR? I assume it s PT because there are no Teslas in Brazil for now. | 216 | 12 | 7,122 |
hbdk4e | 767 | Upcoming features in 2020.24.x - Triple Backup Camera Improvements Enabling Cabin Camera Sentry Improvements and more... We re getting a **LOT** of posts about the recent discoveries coming in updates. This is **NOT** a megathread for the version (that happens when > 5% of folks actually receive the update) but this is simply a centralized post to discuss what we re learning about as it s not in many cars yet and to reduce reposts. What we ve learned.... [Release Notes](https: imgur.com Be0k4XH) [The best article we ve found](https: driveteslacanada.ca software-updates tesla-releases-2020-20-16-software-update-packed-full-with-highly-requested-features ) summarizing what s upcoming. Related Posts - [1](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hb7rxo now_you_can_see_the_side_rear_view_in_the_big ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x) [2](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hb8qhp tesla_interior_camera_records_video_during_break ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x) Anyone else wonder if the side cams should be up top instead? Discuss here please! | Activate the wide cameras on activation of signals. Would help a log with the HUGE blind spot. | The backup cams can be a good substitute for not having rear radar sensors for rear cross-traffic alerts. | 134 | 2 | 7,123 |
hbglol | 24 | What are the major differences in a 2017 and 2020 X models? I m debating the ~$30k price difference. I m looking at long range not performance and full self driving package 5 seat versions. What s the best way to understand the delta? | The 2020 will have longer range capable of slightly faster charging. The suspension is improved in the raven models. The new ones have MCU2 and you will need to pay $2500 to upgrade and lose radio on a pre May 2018 build. I don t think the difference is $30k when you compare actual options between used and new. The new X has dropped in price pretty significantly and many more features are standard now. The premium package which included self presenting doors premium audio bio weapon defense mode etc was a $6k option but now is included into the base X for free. That being said I d highly recommend the 6 seater. It truly opens up the cabin and makes it feel more spacious and the captains chairs are very comfortable. If price is an issue and all you need is the cargo space the performance Y may be an alternative to consider vs a used 5 seat X. The long term maintenance will be lower on the Y as the X has much more that can break and has costly out of warranty repair costs. | I am nearing the end of a 3 yr 75X lease in September. I wouldn t recommend only due to battery charging speed size. I get ~230 to a full charge so not much degradation but only top out charging at ~ 108kw and thats for probably 10 miles between 80-90ish. Assume a 100 would be somewhat better but my advice is newer better battery packs worth it. | 37 | 2 | 7,124 |
hbglol | 24 | What are the major differences in a 2017 and 2020 X models? I m debating the ~$30k price difference. I m looking at long range not performance and full self driving package 5 seat versions. What s the best way to understand the delta? | The 2020 will have longer range capable of slightly faster charging. The suspension is improved in the raven models. The new ones have MCU2 and you will need to pay $2500 to upgrade and lose radio on a pre May 2018 build. I don t think the difference is $30k when you compare actual options between used and new. The new X has dropped in price pretty significantly and many more features are standard now. The premium package which included self presenting doors premium audio bio weapon defense mode etc was a $6k option but now is included into the base X for free. That being said I d highly recommend the 6 seater. It truly opens up the cabin and makes it feel more spacious and the captains chairs are very comfortable. If price is an issue and all you need is the cargo space the performance Y may be an alternative to consider vs a used 5 seat X. The long term maintenance will be lower on the Y as the X has much more that can break and has costly out of warranty repair costs. | If the range of a 2017 is sufficient for your use then it s hard to justify the cost of the newer MX. 2017 MX - You CAN upgrade the AP2 AP2.5 computer to HW3 (if your car has FSD purchased) you can pay to upgrade MCU1 to MCU2 ($2500). There is some differences with heated cooled front seats motorized spoiler on 2017 and the adaptive air suspension on the 2020. | 37 | 4 | 7,125 |
hbglol | 24 | What are the major differences in a 2017 and 2020 X models? I m debating the ~$30k price difference. I m looking at long range not performance and full self driving package 5 seat versions. What s the best way to understand the delta? | The 2020 will have longer range capable of slightly faster charging. The suspension is improved in the raven models. The new ones have MCU2 and you will need to pay $2500 to upgrade and lose radio on a pre May 2018 build. I don t think the difference is $30k when you compare actual options between used and new. The new X has dropped in price pretty significantly and many more features are standard now. The premium package which included self presenting doors premium audio bio weapon defense mode etc was a $6k option but now is included into the base X for free. That being said I d highly recommend the 6 seater. It truly opens up the cabin and makes it feel more spacious and the captains chairs are very comfortable. If price is an issue and all you need is the cargo space the performance Y may be an alternative to consider vs a used 5 seat X. The long term maintenance will be lower on the Y as the X has much more that can break and has costly out of warranty repair costs. | This video might be helpful. https: youtu.be lFzB-4AIXqc | 37 | 5 | 7,126 |
hbhy8q | 255 | Tesla submits application for tax incentives near Austin TX Sorry Tulsa looks like Austin won. [https: www.kxan.com news local travis-county tesla-submits-application-with-del-valle-isd-for-gigifactory-68m-in-tax-incentives-proposed ](https: www.kxan.com news local travis-county tesla-submits-application-with-del-valle-isd-for-gigifactory-68m-in-tax-incentives-proposed ) | 2100 acres :O 3 x Giga Berlin Giga Berlin = 4x Giga Shanghai | Sweet - Tera Texas is going to be huge. | 70 | 11 | 7,127 |
hbhy8q | 255 | Tesla submits application for tax incentives near Austin TX Sorry Tulsa looks like Austin won. [https: www.kxan.com news local travis-county tesla-submits-application-with-del-valle-isd-for-gigifactory-68m-in-tax-incentives-proposed ](https: www.kxan.com news local travis-county tesla-submits-application-with-del-valle-isd-for-gigifactory-68m-in-tax-incentives-proposed ) | 2100 acres :O 3 x Giga Berlin Giga Berlin = 4x Giga Shanghai | [Not so fast Tex! Tulsa didn t hear no bell!🔔](https: www.tulsaworld.com news local no-reason-to-believe-austin-has-advantage-over-tulsa-in-attracting-tesla-oklahoma-commerce-secretary article_1f73a059-ec24-51e4-a6a0-9300530e87ce.html) [then there s also this bit of juicy news](https: www.tulsaworld.com business 6-1-million-federal-grant-will-go-toward-building-manufacturing-center-at-tulsa-port-of article_ade2d951-99a1-50c6-bab2-d3c3c7079b1f.html) Edit: [Elon tweets that decision has not been made!](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1273702016221540352?s=20) | 70 | 17 | 7,128 |
hbhy8q | 255 | Tesla submits application for tax incentives near Austin TX Sorry Tulsa looks like Austin won. [https: www.kxan.com news local travis-county tesla-submits-application-with-del-valle-isd-for-gigifactory-68m-in-tax-incentives-proposed ](https: www.kxan.com news local travis-county tesla-submits-application-with-del-valle-isd-for-gigifactory-68m-in-tax-incentives-proposed ) | 2100 acres :O 3 x Giga Berlin Giga Berlin = 4x Giga Shanghai | Location: [https: www.google.com maps place SH+71+Express+Project @30.230741 -97.6275195 3022m data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x83e6f93eee364b50!8m2!3d30.2311859!4d-97.6226272](https: www.google.com maps place SH+71+Express+Project @30.230741 -97.6275195 3022m data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x83e6f93eee364b50!8m2!3d30.2311859!4d-97.6226272) I guess that land up in Hutto didn t work out? | 70 | 18 | 7,129 |
hbo2np | 37 | Anybody else have severe breaking in Autopilot I ve almost gotten rear ended a couple times while on the highway in autopilot mode. My Model 3 will break very hard for seemingly no reason. Several times when it s happened there have been no cars around me. I always check around to see if it there was a trash bag or piece of debris. I don t see anything that the sensors could be picking up on. This seems really dangerous. Has anyone else experienced this? Edit: I have realized my homonym mistake in the title. I hope it doesn t brake the whole post. | Phantom braking is the term you are looking for. | Yup. | 56 | 3 | 7,130 |
hbo2np | 37 | Anybody else have severe breaking in Autopilot I ve almost gotten rear ended a couple times while on the highway in autopilot mode. My Model 3 will break very hard for seemingly no reason. Several times when it s happened there have been no cars around me. I always check around to see if it there was a trash bag or piece of debris. I don t see anything that the sensors could be picking up on. This seems really dangerous. Has anyone else experienced this? Edit: I have realized my homonym mistake in the title. I hope it doesn t brake the whole post. | Phantom braking is the term you are looking for. | Here come the grammer police! Yes the most recent upgrade for me 2020.20.12 has been pretty bad for that. Regression I believe is the word. Model X FSD AP3.0 | 56 | 15 | 7,131 |
hc29y8 | 102 | Has anyone bought the $35 000 model 3? My Mexican ass dad is looking for a car and he s only ever bought a new truck like 17 years ago. He wanted to get a Corolla hybrid but Toyota is not moving units right now so they re selling it 2k above what it s worth. Well we went to Tesla yesterday and he drove the performance 3 and was blown away. He thinks they all cost 55 thousand I m not sure where he pulled that number but we went inside and the salesmen showed him the standard range plus. It s funny my dad has been the most frugal guy but out of nowhere he s like well I want red paint and the sport wheels.. Anyway the salesmen told him there s a standard range but that it lacks autopilot and less range heated rear seats less speakers etc. He doesn t really care I mean he grew up in rural Mexico didn t have a proper shower until he bought one at age 18. I can see why those things don t matter lol he just loves the way it drives and looks and every other car we ve driven doesn t compare. Has anyone here any experience with the off menu Tesla? | I believe it s $35 400 now. I d say that 95% of the time when people look at what they get with the SR and SR+ they go for the SR+. It s worth the extra money. | Bump for updates | 108 | 2 | 7,132 |
hc29y8 | 102 | Has anyone bought the $35 000 model 3? My Mexican ass dad is looking for a car and he s only ever bought a new truck like 17 years ago. He wanted to get a Corolla hybrid but Toyota is not moving units right now so they re selling it 2k above what it s worth. Well we went to Tesla yesterday and he drove the performance 3 and was blown away. He thinks they all cost 55 thousand I m not sure where he pulled that number but we went inside and the salesmen showed him the standard range plus. It s funny my dad has been the most frugal guy but out of nowhere he s like well I want red paint and the sport wheels.. Anyway the salesmen told him there s a standard range but that it lacks autopilot and less range heated rear seats less speakers etc. He doesn t really care I mean he grew up in rural Mexico didn t have a proper shower until he bought one at age 18. I can see why those things don t matter lol he just loves the way it drives and looks and every other car we ve driven doesn t compare. Has anyone here any experience with the off menu Tesla? | Yo do we have the same dad? haha... I have the off menu M3. Still amazing minus all the things you mentioned. I never felt like I missed out on AP. I don t really need heated rear seats in SoCal and I haven t had an issue with range yet. Even without the premium speakers my M3 still has better audio quality than most cars out there. | Bump for updates | 39 | 2 | 7,133 |
hctpp6 | 471 | Dear Tesla Community this is worth a short. Please come together. Will you help? Mr. Jack Rickard an original Tesla supporter **was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer**. He shared this at the end of his latest video on battery day. He has been making wonderful videos and stuck against FUD in the dark times. He educated a lot of people on Tesla. Link to this video: [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3ZNuAztk5g4](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3ZNuAztk5g4) Let s please request Elon Musk to reveal under N.D.A. battery day insights to Mr. Jack. He had been eagerly waiting and making multiple videos about it. But for that we must get Elon s attention first. Can you help and come together? Dear Mods can you pin this or promote this in some way? Regards. [Mr. Jack Rickard Founder EVTV](https: preview.redd.it 3nqj3vwaq4651.jpg?width=348& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=600e285d518d8a127ed9660598886661874958e2) | Very sad to hear. This guy is super insightful not only with batteries but with the stock market as well. He made $3 million in TSLA options earlier in the year then called the bottom in the market in March and has made about $2 million on those options. | Is that a wish of his or someone else thought of that? It is possible they could tell him some things of course but an NDA is not gonna help them Tesla much in this specific case. So basically they could give him some information early but they can t give him any groundbreaking secrets that they can t for the public to know at this time. | 53 | 21 | 7,134 |
hctpp6 | 471 | Dear Tesla Community this is worth a short. Please come together. Will you help? Mr. Jack Rickard an original Tesla supporter **was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer**. He shared this at the end of his latest video on battery day. He has been making wonderful videos and stuck against FUD in the dark times. He educated a lot of people on Tesla. Link to this video: [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3ZNuAztk5g4](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3ZNuAztk5g4) Let s please request Elon Musk to reveal under N.D.A. battery day insights to Mr. Jack. He had been eagerly waiting and making multiple videos about it. But for that we must get Elon s attention first. Can you help and come together? Dear Mods can you pin this or promote this in some way? Regards. [Mr. Jack Rickard Founder EVTV](https: preview.redd.it 3nqj3vwaq4651.jpg?width=348& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=600e285d518d8a127ed9660598886661874958e2) | Very sad to hear. This guy is super insightful not only with batteries but with the stock market as well. He made $3 million in TSLA options earlier in the year then called the bottom in the market in March and has made about $2 million on those options. | I m totally into that. u elonmuskofficial | 53 | 24 | 7,135 |
hdcevg | 86 | A r TeslaMotors Update (Long) ####We ve hit **700 000 subscribers!** This just so happened to coincide with an update we were going to share. We ll be at a million in the blink of an eye! You may have noticed in the past couple months a rapid increase in the number of generally lower quality posts. This has occurred for a few reasons. First thing people should know is that the mod team *constantly* discusses the flow of posts experiences and general quality of submissions. We listen to feedback that comes into mod mail (or what we monitor in comments). First due to initial complaints we had removed the minimum text requirement for text posts. We do listen and try things to see how it goes . We do this often without always sharing these little details because we want the change of that flow based on what we adjusted to occur naturally. What we mean by this is... if we announce we re removing the text limit... well... you re going to see a LOT of them. And that s the type of stuff we try to avoid. Second and some of you may have recognized this or not but we also started to allow basic question posts. Usually if a post was a clear simple question auto mod would defer them to our daily threads where Q& A happens. For this one we decided to let the votes do the work we see how it goes and explains why you see them much more often. The [daily threads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=author%3AAutoModerator+title%3A%22Discussion%22& restrict_sr=on& include_over_18=on& sort=new& t=all& utm_source=reddit& utm_medium=usertext& utm_name=teslamotors& utm_content=t3_hcj0w5) will often have between 50-200 comments daily depending on recent news or not. Also remember it is sorted by New so if your questions don t get a response simply make a new comment and it ll show up top again for someone to see. Also Discord is an option as well. Third and of some fault of our own we happened to have these changes in effect before Model Y deliveries began. This is important because if anyone remembers what the sub was like when Model 3 started delivering... well let s just say it was impossible to find the good quality posts through the noise of delivery questions experiences pictures being posted etc. Allowing more posts in general was something we wanted to allow to ensure the fresh content stayed during COVID as well. r TeslaLounge has grown to nearly 20 000 subscribers now and grew to become the place where people can share their Tesla story without the concern that a post would be removed as a repost or other reasons. From delivery posts pictures experiences questions it is great along side r TeslaMotors for the more personal feel. **We have daily threads posted every day for Q& A as well.** Sometimes (depending on how active things are) we will remove questions that have been answered by the community in a thread that really only help that individuals specific situation but and may not help a larger number of people. Some of you who have been here a while knows that it s been a challenge finding a great middle ground growing from 50k up to 700k along with hundreds of thousands of new owners. With investor specific posts being shifted with the rise of r TeslaInvestorsClub some of the mod team departing and us picking up new awesome team members and with all of this we ve found the toxicity that once existed has mostly dissipated. We know there is still some which we do our best to address but if you were familiar with where it used to be (with the things that existed noted above) it s a LOT better from our side. **The point of this post**. Sorry some context was needed. Despite the numerous changes and growth we re going to have to start being a little more strict based on the way we used to be when Model 3 was getting delivered. It can get unwieldy and what we find is that many posts don t help many others but really only help the individual. And this is good depending on what it is but we need to put that line in the sand again after we kind of made it fade when we removed some limits before. Another mod suggested a Weekly Delivery Ownership thread where purchase experiences can go while keeping it in r TeslaMotors. So folks don t have to go elsewhere for that type of stuff. We understand people are excited or frustrated and want a place to share or vent and we don t want to seem like we re removing negative posts. We get accused of it all the time but that s not how we work. There are many other reasons behind removals and if you have a particular issue with your post reach out to modmail and state your case you d be surprised how many things we approve if people ask and explain their train of thought. So do you think a weekly thread for those things would be beneficial? We think it would help with the flow of post quality as well and the amount of professional vs. personal when it comes to news and articles about Tesla. That about sums it up nothing is drastically changing but we wanted to let you know it s something we keep a close eye on and we always try to find a balance to make the most people happy. You won t make everyone happy but we can do our best because we aren t a small community anymore and we hope that people who are upset by these changes can understand that while we don t like doing it it s necessary for our sanity for the majority of subscriber happiness and just needed because of the growth. And we know the sentiment will be different for those who sort by new and who don t. If you have a particular question about a post remember we are all reachable through [modmail](https: www.reddit.com message compose?to=%2Fr%2Fteslamotors) so ping us there for a specific issue and we can keep this thread focused on general feedback. We always welcome feedback good or bad. We are not perfect (obviously) but we re here to listen. The worst thing you an do is assume something when it comes to how we do things so just ask us. If you have any other suggestions on how we present threads resources the wiki the look the recurring threads... just anything. Let us know and we ll talk through it. \\- Your r TeslaMotors Mod Team u 110110 u rcnfive u WhiskeySauer u majesticjg u Matty10101 u cookingboy Edit: We ve made adjustments to our Rules page to reflect a few of these adjustments. Edit 2: Mods chatted we re going to allow photo video posts and more questions to see how things go since more delivery new owner posts will be in our weekly threads. Edit 3: We tried weekly threads and determined it made sense to simplify and unify our daily threads to reduce the number of auto-threads created. | No direct criticism to anything but please don t try to shift everything to r TeslaLounge and destroy the main subreddit like r SpaceX did | As someone awaiting a Model Y delivery I d be good with a weekly delivery thread but this is the community I ve gotten the most information from and upon delivery I planned on posting any concerns issues I have because I ve seen some valuable information get shared quickly. I would not want to see that pushed into another sub where it s viewed by only a tiny fraction of people as compared to this sub. | 54 | 3 | 7,136 |
hdcevg | 86 | A r TeslaMotors Update (Long) ####We ve hit **700 000 subscribers!** This just so happened to coincide with an update we were going to share. We ll be at a million in the blink of an eye! You may have noticed in the past couple months a rapid increase in the number of generally lower quality posts. This has occurred for a few reasons. First thing people should know is that the mod team *constantly* discusses the flow of posts experiences and general quality of submissions. We listen to feedback that comes into mod mail (or what we monitor in comments). First due to initial complaints we had removed the minimum text requirement for text posts. We do listen and try things to see how it goes . We do this often without always sharing these little details because we want the change of that flow based on what we adjusted to occur naturally. What we mean by this is... if we announce we re removing the text limit... well... you re going to see a LOT of them. And that s the type of stuff we try to avoid. Second and some of you may have recognized this or not but we also started to allow basic question posts. Usually if a post was a clear simple question auto mod would defer them to our daily threads where Q& A happens. For this one we decided to let the votes do the work we see how it goes and explains why you see them much more often. The [daily threads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=author%3AAutoModerator+title%3A%22Discussion%22& restrict_sr=on& include_over_18=on& sort=new& t=all& utm_source=reddit& utm_medium=usertext& utm_name=teslamotors& utm_content=t3_hcj0w5) will often have between 50-200 comments daily depending on recent news or not. Also remember it is sorted by New so if your questions don t get a response simply make a new comment and it ll show up top again for someone to see. Also Discord is an option as well. Third and of some fault of our own we happened to have these changes in effect before Model Y deliveries began. This is important because if anyone remembers what the sub was like when Model 3 started delivering... well let s just say it was impossible to find the good quality posts through the noise of delivery questions experiences pictures being posted etc. Allowing more posts in general was something we wanted to allow to ensure the fresh content stayed during COVID as well. r TeslaLounge has grown to nearly 20 000 subscribers now and grew to become the place where people can share their Tesla story without the concern that a post would be removed as a repost or other reasons. From delivery posts pictures experiences questions it is great along side r TeslaMotors for the more personal feel. **We have daily threads posted every day for Q& A as well.** Sometimes (depending on how active things are) we will remove questions that have been answered by the community in a thread that really only help that individuals specific situation but and may not help a larger number of people. Some of you who have been here a while knows that it s been a challenge finding a great middle ground growing from 50k up to 700k along with hundreds of thousands of new owners. With investor specific posts being shifted with the rise of r TeslaInvestorsClub some of the mod team departing and us picking up new awesome team members and with all of this we ve found the toxicity that once existed has mostly dissipated. We know there is still some which we do our best to address but if you were familiar with where it used to be (with the things that existed noted above) it s a LOT better from our side. **The point of this post**. Sorry some context was needed. Despite the numerous changes and growth we re going to have to start being a little more strict based on the way we used to be when Model 3 was getting delivered. It can get unwieldy and what we find is that many posts don t help many others but really only help the individual. And this is good depending on what it is but we need to put that line in the sand again after we kind of made it fade when we removed some limits before. Another mod suggested a Weekly Delivery Ownership thread where purchase experiences can go while keeping it in r TeslaMotors. So folks don t have to go elsewhere for that type of stuff. We understand people are excited or frustrated and want a place to share or vent and we don t want to seem like we re removing negative posts. We get accused of it all the time but that s not how we work. There are many other reasons behind removals and if you have a particular issue with your post reach out to modmail and state your case you d be surprised how many things we approve if people ask and explain their train of thought. So do you think a weekly thread for those things would be beneficial? We think it would help with the flow of post quality as well and the amount of professional vs. personal when it comes to news and articles about Tesla. That about sums it up nothing is drastically changing but we wanted to let you know it s something we keep a close eye on and we always try to find a balance to make the most people happy. You won t make everyone happy but we can do our best because we aren t a small community anymore and we hope that people who are upset by these changes can understand that while we don t like doing it it s necessary for our sanity for the majority of subscriber happiness and just needed because of the growth. And we know the sentiment will be different for those who sort by new and who don t. If you have a particular question about a post remember we are all reachable through [modmail](https: www.reddit.com message compose?to=%2Fr%2Fteslamotors) so ping us there for a specific issue and we can keep this thread focused on general feedback. We always welcome feedback good or bad. We are not perfect (obviously) but we re here to listen. The worst thing you an do is assume something when it comes to how we do things so just ask us. If you have any other suggestions on how we present threads resources the wiki the look the recurring threads... just anything. Let us know and we ll talk through it. \\- Your r TeslaMotors Mod Team u 110110 u rcnfive u WhiskeySauer u majesticjg u Matty10101 u cookingboy Edit: We ve made adjustments to our Rules page to reflect a few of these adjustments. Edit 2: Mods chatted we re going to allow photo video posts and more questions to see how things go since more delivery new owner posts will be in our weekly threads. Edit 3: We tried weekly threads and determined it made sense to simplify and unify our daily threads to reduce the number of auto-threads created. | No direct criticism to anything but please don t try to shift everything to r TeslaLounge and destroy the main subreddit like r SpaceX did | The first two changes are good ones. Also I like the idea of the weekly “new owners” thread. Overall the mod team is going great. While I may not agree with every decision that s made I feel they re doing it with good intentions. Overall this sub is a great community with a lot of knowledgeable people. Congrats on 700k as well! | 54 | 13 | 7,137 |
hdd81d | 392 | Car automatically closes vented windows when raining It would be really nice if the parked car would automatically close its vented windows when the car s front camera notices rain appearing on camera. Literally just happened to me I forgot I had my windows vented while it was raining outside. Edit: As suggested in the comments section a prompt from the Tesla app asking if you would like to close the vented windows during rain fall would alteast be very beneficial for the forgetful owners. | You would have to have sentry mode on or it wouldn t know it was raining. | Doubt they d want the liability of people claiming the car automatically closed the windows while their toddler stuck their hand in it just for the rare scenario that someone using the vent feature (presumably hot climate) gets rained on and doesn t notice. | 103 | 54 | 7,138 |
hdd81d | 392 | Car automatically closes vented windows when raining It would be really nice if the parked car would automatically close its vented windows when the car s front camera notices rain appearing on camera. Literally just happened to me I forgot I had my windows vented while it was raining outside. Edit: As suggested in the comments section a prompt from the Tesla app asking if you would like to close the vented windows during rain fall would alteast be very beneficial for the forgetful owners. | Probably getting downvoted for this but you could simply not vent the windows? The car lets you remotely control the climate for pre-conditioning. I ve been using remote starts since getting my first car that had one. My black-on-black Ford can be parked outdoors in 35C heat but just 3-minutes of remote starting means the AC blowing at max speed at 16C has made the interior feel like standing in front of an open fridge. I do the same with the Model 3 (also has a black interior). If you are expecting rain anyway the period of rain will probably help the interior cool down too even without pre-conditioning. I had a Midwestern thunderstorm last about 10 minutes with my Ford parked outside and the interior was perfectly fine when the storm went away. | Honest question has the windshield wiper auto feature been improved over the last year or so? I remember a lot of owner s not happy with the way they were. | 32 | 5 | 7,139 |
hdgmno | 26 | One year of free supercharging if order by today My test drive appointment person (in San Diego) said that if I take delivery by the end of month (by ordering by end of today) then I d get one year of free supercharging. On Twitter someone else in Northern California was told the same thing. Anyone else hear of this? | Make sure you get it in writing | Free supercharging isn t as great a deal as it sounds unless you travel extensively. | 32 | 2 | 7,140 |
hdgmno | 26 | One year of free supercharging if order by today My test drive appointment person (in San Diego) said that if I take delivery by the end of month (by ordering by end of today) then I d get one year of free supercharging. On Twitter someone else in Northern California was told the same thing. Anyone else hear of this? | Make sure you get it in writing | I just took delivery of my model 3 performance and nobody mentioned anything about that to me. Do I have to reach out to someone? | 32 | 3 | 7,141 |
hdgmno | 26 | One year of free supercharging if order by today My test drive appointment person (in San Diego) said that if I take delivery by the end of month (by ordering by end of today) then I d get one year of free supercharging. On Twitter someone else in Northern California was told the same thing. Anyone else hear of this? | Make sure you get it in writing | I d find an inventory model that includes lifetime free SC | 32 | 5 | 7,142 |
hdrj3v | 197 | Model Y ear pressure discomfort Update: I adjusted the trunk bump stops as many people pointed out below and it helped the problem significantly. This video shows how: [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Z4fYt06sfN0& t=18s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Z4fYt06sfN0& t=18s) Thanks everyone! & #x200B Original Post: This is a strange question but here we go. I got my Model Y 5 days ago and it s an awesome car but after taking it on 2 long road trips I ve noticed a strange discomfort in my ears. Even though the cabin is fairly quiet overall there seems to be some kind of deep vibration in the car that happens when I go over bumps or at certain speeds. I read in the forums that people had a similar type of issue with early Model S s so I tried adjusting the trunk dampers but it doesn t really seem to help. I m still within the 7 days and really don t want to return the car but I actively don t want to drive it at this point. Has anyone noticed something similar? | You re getting downvoted but I also experienced this sound and I also described it as much as a pressure in the ears as a noise. For me it seemed to come from the rear and might be harmonics between the tires wheels and suspension at certain speeds. I drove a Performance Y with the PUP. Wasn t an issue going either parking lot or highway speeds only in that 15-40mph range. As others have mentioned it is very similar to the buffeting noise from windows being down but it wasn t buffeting from the passenger windows. It was coming from the trunk area. Edit: Judging from the upvotes and new comments I can see that OP and I are far from alone. I now subscribe to the hypothesis that the noise is actually hatch buffeting rather than tires etc. I hope this means a quick and easy fix. | Could be air resonation but if the windows are up I doubt that s the case. I d suspect tire alignment and balance next. Worth going into a tire shop and paying \\~$100 to have your alignment and balance checked. | 112 | 3 | 7,143 |
hdrj3v | 197 | Model Y ear pressure discomfort Update: I adjusted the trunk bump stops as many people pointed out below and it helped the problem significantly. This video shows how: [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Z4fYt06sfN0& t=18s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Z4fYt06sfN0& t=18s) Thanks everyone! & #x200B Original Post: This is a strange question but here we go. I got my Model Y 5 days ago and it s an awesome car but after taking it on 2 long road trips I ve noticed a strange discomfort in my ears. Even though the cabin is fairly quiet overall there seems to be some kind of deep vibration in the car that happens when I go over bumps or at certain speeds. I read in the forums that people had a similar type of issue with early Model S s so I tried adjusting the trunk dampers but it doesn t really seem to help. I m still within the 7 days and really don t want to return the car but I actively don t want to drive it at this point. Has anyone noticed something similar? | You re getting downvoted but I also experienced this sound and I also described it as much as a pressure in the ears as a noise. For me it seemed to come from the rear and might be harmonics between the tires wheels and suspension at certain speeds. I drove a Performance Y with the PUP. Wasn t an issue going either parking lot or highway speeds only in that 15-40mph range. As others have mentioned it is very similar to the buffeting noise from windows being down but it wasn t buffeting from the passenger windows. It was coming from the trunk area. Edit: Judging from the upvotes and new comments I can see that OP and I are far from alone. I now subscribe to the hypothesis that the noise is actually hatch buffeting rather than tires etc. I hope this means a quick and easy fix. | Fascinating. Does this happen with two windows partly cracked? If so does it happen with two windows all the way down? | 112 | 9 | 7,144 |
hdrj3v | 197 | Model Y ear pressure discomfort Update: I adjusted the trunk bump stops as many people pointed out below and it helped the problem significantly. This video shows how: [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Z4fYt06sfN0& t=18s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Z4fYt06sfN0& t=18s) Thanks everyone! & #x200B Original Post: This is a strange question but here we go. I got my Model Y 5 days ago and it s an awesome car but after taking it on 2 long road trips I ve noticed a strange discomfort in my ears. Even though the cabin is fairly quiet overall there seems to be some kind of deep vibration in the car that happens when I go over bumps or at certain speeds. I read in the forums that people had a similar type of issue with early Model S s so I tried adjusting the trunk dampers but it doesn t really seem to help. I m still within the 7 days and really don t want to return the car but I actively don t want to drive it at this point. Has anyone noticed something similar? | You re getting downvoted but I also experienced this sound and I also described it as much as a pressure in the ears as a noise. For me it seemed to come from the rear and might be harmonics between the tires wheels and suspension at certain speeds. I drove a Performance Y with the PUP. Wasn t an issue going either parking lot or highway speeds only in that 15-40mph range. As others have mentioned it is very similar to the buffeting noise from windows being down but it wasn t buffeting from the passenger windows. It was coming from the trunk area. Edit: Judging from the upvotes and new comments I can see that OP and I are far from alone. I now subscribe to the hypothesis that the noise is actually hatch buffeting rather than tires etc. I hope this means a quick and easy fix. | It may be worth returning if the damper adjustment didn t fix it. It has to do with that heavy hatch. The last two times I got a Model S loaner (p85 and p85d) from Tesla they had this same issue. Drove me nuts. If Tesla can t take a look at it before the 7 days are up and they can t fix it you ll be stuck with it. | 112 | 17 | 7,145 |
hdugju | 68 | Check Tesla Insurance! So I looked at tesla insurance when it first was available and it was $250 a month which was more then what I was paying. Then my insurance rose and they became about equal. I still occasionally checked it and then it dropped to $200 was not enough to justify a switch fast forward to saturday my insurance decided to drastically increase so I went to tesla and it was down to $150. I gave myself more coverage and ended up walking away with $162 a month. So if your in CA check it every so often could save some money. | You get what you pay for. My credit card information was compromised I updated my payment information in my Tesla account when I got it. All was good super charging was being billed bought accessories etc. 2 months later a rock hits my windshield. I login My Tesla and notice my insurance information is not there. I call and am told my policy was cancelled for non-payment. They claim they emailed me - they didn t. They also acknowledged they do not send out physical letters and are working on that . Turns out when you input your payment information it gets sent the actual insurance company (Tesla just puts their name on it) and if you update your payment information it does nothing. I was driving around without insurance for 1.5 months without knowing and now I have a $1500 windshield replacement bill. I don t even want to think about the financial devastation what would have happened if my car was totaled during that time and to be told by the agent on the phone yeah sorry we re working on that. Good luck paying the 50K bye . | If you already have it I wonder if they adjust monthly or every policy? | 66 | 4 | 7,146 |
heczm8 | 230 | New Steering Mode: Fully customizable dynamic steering Hey All Moved from Audi to Tesla recently and one thing I ve been missing is a dynamic steering mode giving me very light steering on low speeds (for parking garage cornering) and my preferred mode once at higher speeds. With the steering being adjusted electronically would it be possible for Tesla to implement a fully customizable steering mode so users can map their own steering preference? I ve designed a mockup of my idea here: [https: imgur.com HbpkBMo](https: imgur.com HbpkBMo) | That sounds awesome but as with many things the more customization options you give to the users the more complicated the interface will be and less user-friendly overall. See: Macs vs Linux. The power users will love it but at the very least it ll be lost on the general population and at worst it ll confuse them and make the experience worse. | I want this. | 47 | 2 | 7,147 |
heczm8 | 230 | New Steering Mode: Fully customizable dynamic steering Hey All Moved from Audi to Tesla recently and one thing I ve been missing is a dynamic steering mode giving me very light steering on low speeds (for parking garage cornering) and my preferred mode once at higher speeds. With the steering being adjusted electronically would it be possible for Tesla to implement a fully customizable steering mode so users can map their own steering preference? I ve designed a mockup of my idea here: [https: imgur.com HbpkBMo](https: imgur.com HbpkBMo) | That sounds awesome but as with many things the more customization options you give to the users the more complicated the interface will be and less user-friendly overall. See: Macs vs Linux. The power users will love it but at the very least it ll be lost on the general population and at worst it ll confuse them and make the experience worse. | That s a great idea! Nice job!🐕 | 47 | 3 | 7,148 |
heczm8 | 230 | New Steering Mode: Fully customizable dynamic steering Hey All Moved from Audi to Tesla recently and one thing I ve been missing is a dynamic steering mode giving me very light steering on low speeds (for parking garage cornering) and my preferred mode once at higher speeds. With the steering being adjusted electronically would it be possible for Tesla to implement a fully customizable steering mode so users can map their own steering preference? I ve designed a mockup of my idea here: [https: imgur.com HbpkBMo](https: imgur.com HbpkBMo) | That sounds awesome but as with many things the more customization options you give to the users the more complicated the interface will be and less user-friendly overall. See: Macs vs Linux. The power users will love it but at the very least it ll be lost on the general population and at worst it ll confuse them and make the experience worse. | I was literally just talking about this with my housemates while they test drove my car. Would be epic to implement and allow consumers to adjust at our leisure. | 47 | 7 | 7,149 |
hed8gl | 24 | Discussion: Is it possible to compete with Tesla when they produce their own cells? It is now an open secret that in a few years all the Tesla cars will run on the new Roadrunner cells that are likely to be better. We ve heard for the longest time the argument of batteries being a mere commodity. Little did those analysts know that the word battery constitutes cell module and pack. It was because of Tesla s iterations on each aspect of their battery that the traditional auto companies couldn t match Tesla s range and performance. However now that Tesla would manufacture their own cells the gap between Tesla and traditional auto would further by that much more. One can debate how big of a gap it will be but the question remains with the further widening of this advantage gap - can the traditional auto companies innovate fast enough to compete with Tesla on range performance and cost? | It s Apple vs the Smartphone field all over again. Focus on a single style do everything so that it s all integrated from the ground up. They wrote the software they built the hardware to work with it. Google Android thought they d play catch up and do the software. And let everyone else run the hardware. Apple makes 66% of the smartphone industries profits. The others sell more phones. Apple maintains MARGIN dominance because of their tight vertical integration. Tesla is following the same plan. | At this point its more on 3rd parties like CATL not many if any other oems wanna go all in like tesla had to. There my be a point in the mid-long term where 3rd parties catch up on the cell and or pack level. Its would end up being a tug of war though. A similar idea would be chipmakers like intel ( being the inhouse fab) vs something like glofo or tsmc that sell fab space to anyone and everyone. | 66 | 7 | 7,150 |
hed8gl | 24 | Discussion: Is it possible to compete with Tesla when they produce their own cells? It is now an open secret that in a few years all the Tesla cars will run on the new Roadrunner cells that are likely to be better. We ve heard for the longest time the argument of batteries being a mere commodity. Little did those analysts know that the word battery constitutes cell module and pack. It was because of Tesla s iterations on each aspect of their battery that the traditional auto companies couldn t match Tesla s range and performance. However now that Tesla would manufacture their own cells the gap between Tesla and traditional auto would further by that much more. One can debate how big of a gap it will be but the question remains with the further widening of this advantage gap - can the traditional auto companies innovate fast enough to compete with Tesla on range performance and cost? | It s Apple vs the Smartphone field all over again. Focus on a single style do everything so that it s all integrated from the ground up. They wrote the software they built the hardware to work with it. Google Android thought they d play catch up and do the software. And let everyone else run the hardware. Apple makes 66% of the smartphone industries profits. The others sell more phones. Apple maintains MARGIN dominance because of their tight vertical integration. Tesla is following the same plan. | I haven t seen an example of vertical integration going awry for Tesla and this is the Holy Grail of vertical integration. | 66 | 30 | 7,151 |
helf89 | 294 | MASSIVE UPDATE! 2020.24.6 Release Notes – No-Confirmation Green Lights Backup Camera Improvements & More! A small rollout has occured for the first public release of some much-anticipated updates including No-Confirmation Green Light Control (FSD) Backup Camera Improvements and far more. This is seemingly one of the most feature-packed updates we ve gotten so far this year. You can view the full release notes [here](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.24.6). Please note many of these features are only for specific models or regions. **Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Beta)** The Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control feature no longer requires explicit driver confirmation of pushing down the gear selector to continue straight through an intersection for green traffic lights when there is a lead vehicle ahead of you and Autopilot is confident that you are not in a turn-only lane. The stop line in the driving visualization will now turn green to indicate that the car will continue through an intersection. Please continue to pay attention and be ready to take immediate action including braking because this feature may not stop for all traffic controls. This feature will not attempt to turn through intersections but over time as we continue to learn from the fleet the feature will control more naturally. **Range Display** Your car will now display a slightly higher range to more accurately reflect the capacity of the battery. **Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Beta) (Australia Canada New Zealand)** Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control is designed to recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs slowing your car to a stop when using Traffic-Aware Cruise Control or Autosteer. This feature will slow the car for all detected traffic lights including green blinking yellow and off lights. As your car approaches an intersection your car will indicate the intention to slow down via a notification slow down and stop at the red line shown on the driving visualization. To continue through the stop line push down the gear selector once or briefly press the accelerator pedal to confirm that it is safe to proceed. As with all Autopilot features you must continue to pay attention and be ready to take immediate action including braking because this feature may not stop for all traffic controls. This feature will be conservative slowdown often at first and will not attempt to turn through intersections. Over time as we learn from the fleet the feature will control more naturally. To enable shift your car into PARK and tap Controls > Autopilot > Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Beta). Note: When this feature is enabled the maximum set speed while using Autosteer off highway is limited to the speed limit of the road. Before this feature can be enabled camera calibration may be required and the latest version of Navigation maps must be downloaded via Wi-Fi. Please refer to the Owner s Manual for additional details about this feature. **Driving Visualization Improvements (China)** The driving visualization can now display additional objects which include stop lights stop signs and select road markings. The stop sign and stop light visualizations are not a substitute for an attentive driver and will not stop the car. To see these additional objects in your driving visualization tap Controls > Autopilot > Full Self-Driving Visualization Preview. **Backup Camera Improvements** You can now view video streams coming from your side repeater cameras for added visibility around the vehicle. When the backup camera is visible simply swipe to display the repeater camera video feeds. **Supercharger Improvements (Model S X specific battery)** Your car is now able to charge at V3 Superchargers at up to 225kW peak rates. As usual when you navigate to a Supercharger your car will condition its battery during the drive so it can charge faster. **Dashcam Viewer Improvements** To make Sentry Mode videos easier to review we have added a red dot along the video scrubber to indicate the moment when a Sentry Mode event was triggered. When playing a Sentry Mode video the Dashcam Viewer will skip ahead and begin playback right before this point. **Pay Per Use Supercharging (Korea)** This release supports pay per use Supercharging. As usual charging status information can be viewed by tapping the Application Launcher > Charging. **TuneIn Improvements** With this update we ve improved the usability and discoverability of TuneIn stations and podcasts so that it s easier to browse content. We ve also added the ability to adjust playback speed of podcasts (up to 2x). As usual to use TuneIn tap on the media icon and select TuneIn on the source selector. **Walk-Away Door Lock Improvements** You now have the option to disable Walk-Away Door Lock when your vehicle is parked at Home. Tap Controls > Locks and select Exclude Home . Note: To save a home location tap Navigate > Set Home. **On-Route Battery Warmup** Your vehicle will now precondition the battery when navigating to third party fast charging stations in addition to Superchargers. As usual you can find a list of nearby third party charging locations by tapping on the lightning bolt icon on the bottom of your touchscreen. **Cabin Camera (Model 3 Y)** Help Tesla continue to develop safer vehicles by sharing camera data from your vehicle. This update will allow you to enable the built-in cabin camera above the rearview mirror. If enabled Tesla will automatically capture images and a short video clip just prior to a collision or safety event to help engineers develop safety features and enhancements in the future. As usual you can adjust your data sharing preferences by tapping Controls > Safety & Security > DATA SHARING > Allow Cabin Camera Analytics. Note: Cabin camera images and video clips will not be associated with your VIN to protect your privacy. Some features notes were excluded. To view everything please click [here](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.24.6). \\-- What are your thoughts on these updates? | No-Confirmation Green Lights : 😲 ... when there is a car in front of you. : 😐 Nah but for real cool update. Better safe than sorry. And it makes the usability of the feature a lot better since confirming even when there is a car in front of you is pretty obnoxious. Now please remove the speed-limit restriction so I can use it safely in Phoenix. | Are the backup camera improvements only for MCU2? | 106 | 4 | 7,152 |
helf89 | 294 | MASSIVE UPDATE! 2020.24.6 Release Notes – No-Confirmation Green Lights Backup Camera Improvements & More! A small rollout has occured for the first public release of some much-anticipated updates including No-Confirmation Green Light Control (FSD) Backup Camera Improvements and far more. This is seemingly one of the most feature-packed updates we ve gotten so far this year. You can view the full release notes [here](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.24.6). Please note many of these features are only for specific models or regions. **Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Beta)** The Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control feature no longer requires explicit driver confirmation of pushing down the gear selector to continue straight through an intersection for green traffic lights when there is a lead vehicle ahead of you and Autopilot is confident that you are not in a turn-only lane. The stop line in the driving visualization will now turn green to indicate that the car will continue through an intersection. Please continue to pay attention and be ready to take immediate action including braking because this feature may not stop for all traffic controls. This feature will not attempt to turn through intersections but over time as we continue to learn from the fleet the feature will control more naturally. **Range Display** Your car will now display a slightly higher range to more accurately reflect the capacity of the battery. **Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Beta) (Australia Canada New Zealand)** Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control is designed to recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs slowing your car to a stop when using Traffic-Aware Cruise Control or Autosteer. This feature will slow the car for all detected traffic lights including green blinking yellow and off lights. As your car approaches an intersection your car will indicate the intention to slow down via a notification slow down and stop at the red line shown on the driving visualization. To continue through the stop line push down the gear selector once or briefly press the accelerator pedal to confirm that it is safe to proceed. As with all Autopilot features you must continue to pay attention and be ready to take immediate action including braking because this feature may not stop for all traffic controls. This feature will be conservative slowdown often at first and will not attempt to turn through intersections. Over time as we learn from the fleet the feature will control more naturally. To enable shift your car into PARK and tap Controls > Autopilot > Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Beta). Note: When this feature is enabled the maximum set speed while using Autosteer off highway is limited to the speed limit of the road. Before this feature can be enabled camera calibration may be required and the latest version of Navigation maps must be downloaded via Wi-Fi. Please refer to the Owner s Manual for additional details about this feature. **Driving Visualization Improvements (China)** The driving visualization can now display additional objects which include stop lights stop signs and select road markings. The stop sign and stop light visualizations are not a substitute for an attentive driver and will not stop the car. To see these additional objects in your driving visualization tap Controls > Autopilot > Full Self-Driving Visualization Preview. **Backup Camera Improvements** You can now view video streams coming from your side repeater cameras for added visibility around the vehicle. When the backup camera is visible simply swipe to display the repeater camera video feeds. **Supercharger Improvements (Model S X specific battery)** Your car is now able to charge at V3 Superchargers at up to 225kW peak rates. As usual when you navigate to a Supercharger your car will condition its battery during the drive so it can charge faster. **Dashcam Viewer Improvements** To make Sentry Mode videos easier to review we have added a red dot along the video scrubber to indicate the moment when a Sentry Mode event was triggered. When playing a Sentry Mode video the Dashcam Viewer will skip ahead and begin playback right before this point. **Pay Per Use Supercharging (Korea)** This release supports pay per use Supercharging. As usual charging status information can be viewed by tapping the Application Launcher > Charging. **TuneIn Improvements** With this update we ve improved the usability and discoverability of TuneIn stations and podcasts so that it s easier to browse content. We ve also added the ability to adjust playback speed of podcasts (up to 2x). As usual to use TuneIn tap on the media icon and select TuneIn on the source selector. **Walk-Away Door Lock Improvements** You now have the option to disable Walk-Away Door Lock when your vehicle is parked at Home. Tap Controls > Locks and select Exclude Home . Note: To save a home location tap Navigate > Set Home. **On-Route Battery Warmup** Your vehicle will now precondition the battery when navigating to third party fast charging stations in addition to Superchargers. As usual you can find a list of nearby third party charging locations by tapping on the lightning bolt icon on the bottom of your touchscreen. **Cabin Camera (Model 3 Y)** Help Tesla continue to develop safer vehicles by sharing camera data from your vehicle. This update will allow you to enable the built-in cabin camera above the rearview mirror. If enabled Tesla will automatically capture images and a short video clip just prior to a collision or safety event to help engineers develop safety features and enhancements in the future. As usual you can adjust your data sharing preferences by tapping Controls > Safety & Security > DATA SHARING > Allow Cabin Camera Analytics. Note: Cabin camera images and video clips will not be associated with your VIN to protect your privacy. Some features notes were excluded. To view everything please click [here](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.24.6). \\-- What are your thoughts on these updates? | No-Confirmation Green Lights : 😲 ... when there is a car in front of you. : 😐 Nah but for real cool update. Better safe than sorry. And it makes the usability of the feature a lot better since confirming even when there is a car in front of you is pretty obnoxious. Now please remove the speed-limit restriction so I can use it safely in Phoenix. | Any idea what the pack requirements are to get 225kW Supercharging for S X? Tesla scope says “packconfig93”. | 106 | 23 | 7,153 |
helf89 | 294 | MASSIVE UPDATE! 2020.24.6 Release Notes – No-Confirmation Green Lights Backup Camera Improvements & More! A small rollout has occured for the first public release of some much-anticipated updates including No-Confirmation Green Light Control (FSD) Backup Camera Improvements and far more. This is seemingly one of the most feature-packed updates we ve gotten so far this year. You can view the full release notes [here](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.24.6). Please note many of these features are only for specific models or regions. **Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Beta)** The Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control feature no longer requires explicit driver confirmation of pushing down the gear selector to continue straight through an intersection for green traffic lights when there is a lead vehicle ahead of you and Autopilot is confident that you are not in a turn-only lane. The stop line in the driving visualization will now turn green to indicate that the car will continue through an intersection. Please continue to pay attention and be ready to take immediate action including braking because this feature may not stop for all traffic controls. This feature will not attempt to turn through intersections but over time as we continue to learn from the fleet the feature will control more naturally. **Range Display** Your car will now display a slightly higher range to more accurately reflect the capacity of the battery. **Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Beta) (Australia Canada New Zealand)** Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control is designed to recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs slowing your car to a stop when using Traffic-Aware Cruise Control or Autosteer. This feature will slow the car for all detected traffic lights including green blinking yellow and off lights. As your car approaches an intersection your car will indicate the intention to slow down via a notification slow down and stop at the red line shown on the driving visualization. To continue through the stop line push down the gear selector once or briefly press the accelerator pedal to confirm that it is safe to proceed. As with all Autopilot features you must continue to pay attention and be ready to take immediate action including braking because this feature may not stop for all traffic controls. This feature will be conservative slowdown often at first and will not attempt to turn through intersections. Over time as we learn from the fleet the feature will control more naturally. To enable shift your car into PARK and tap Controls > Autopilot > Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Beta). Note: When this feature is enabled the maximum set speed while using Autosteer off highway is limited to the speed limit of the road. Before this feature can be enabled camera calibration may be required and the latest version of Navigation maps must be downloaded via Wi-Fi. Please refer to the Owner s Manual for additional details about this feature. **Driving Visualization Improvements (China)** The driving visualization can now display additional objects which include stop lights stop signs and select road markings. The stop sign and stop light visualizations are not a substitute for an attentive driver and will not stop the car. To see these additional objects in your driving visualization tap Controls > Autopilot > Full Self-Driving Visualization Preview. **Backup Camera Improvements** You can now view video streams coming from your side repeater cameras for added visibility around the vehicle. When the backup camera is visible simply swipe to display the repeater camera video feeds. **Supercharger Improvements (Model S X specific battery)** Your car is now able to charge at V3 Superchargers at up to 225kW peak rates. As usual when you navigate to a Supercharger your car will condition its battery during the drive so it can charge faster. **Dashcam Viewer Improvements** To make Sentry Mode videos easier to review we have added a red dot along the video scrubber to indicate the moment when a Sentry Mode event was triggered. When playing a Sentry Mode video the Dashcam Viewer will skip ahead and begin playback right before this point. **Pay Per Use Supercharging (Korea)** This release supports pay per use Supercharging. As usual charging status information can be viewed by tapping the Application Launcher > Charging. **TuneIn Improvements** With this update we ve improved the usability and discoverability of TuneIn stations and podcasts so that it s easier to browse content. We ve also added the ability to adjust playback speed of podcasts (up to 2x). As usual to use TuneIn tap on the media icon and select TuneIn on the source selector. **Walk-Away Door Lock Improvements** You now have the option to disable Walk-Away Door Lock when your vehicle is parked at Home. Tap Controls > Locks and select Exclude Home . Note: To save a home location tap Navigate > Set Home. **On-Route Battery Warmup** Your vehicle will now precondition the battery when navigating to third party fast charging stations in addition to Superchargers. As usual you can find a list of nearby third party charging locations by tapping on the lightning bolt icon on the bottom of your touchscreen. **Cabin Camera (Model 3 Y)** Help Tesla continue to develop safer vehicles by sharing camera data from your vehicle. This update will allow you to enable the built-in cabin camera above the rearview mirror. If enabled Tesla will automatically capture images and a short video clip just prior to a collision or safety event to help engineers develop safety features and enhancements in the future. As usual you can adjust your data sharing preferences by tapping Controls > Safety & Security > DATA SHARING > Allow Cabin Camera Analytics. Note: Cabin camera images and video clips will not be associated with your VIN to protect your privacy. Some features notes were excluded. To view everything please click [here](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.24.6). \\-- What are your thoughts on these updates? | No-Confirmation Green Lights : 😲 ... when there is a car in front of you. : 😐 Nah but for real cool update. Better safe than sorry. And it makes the usability of the feature a lot better since confirming even when there is a car in front of you is pretty obnoxious. Now please remove the speed-limit restriction so I can use it safely in Phoenix. | Not sure about the range display. I get less range than currently displayed anyway so pretending it can go further will not benefit me. | 106 | 32 | 7,154 |
hezct0 | 27 | Traveling in a tesla possible in semi remote areas? I m looking at taking the plunge and getting the model 3. One of the things holding me back is fear of running out of battery on trips. How well does the supercharger charging station thing work? Do the cars really super charge under 1hr? Are the maps for them accurate? Anyone ever find a broken down charging station and got stranded? The thought of coasting in to a super charger station like in nevada or Arizona middle of nowhere and finding out its broken scares me. I make a trip from Los angles to bullhead az twice a year and its a lonely empty trip. But tesla says it has chargers out that way... | Same thing as coasting into a gas station on empty only to find out the pumps are broken or they re out of gas right? The biggest thing you need to do is plan your trips using something like A Better Route Planner. You also aren t limited to only using Superchargers. Your car will come with a J-1772 adapter that can be used at most non-Tesla chargers. If you re really in a bind you can trickle charge on a normal 110 outlet using the included mobile connector. You could also purchase some additional mobile connector outlet adapters to give to access to higher voltage plugs such as NEMA 14-50. Or you could purchase the CHAdeMO adapter. Plug Share has all of these options mapped out. In summary if you plan and have some flexibility available in your array of charging adapters you should have no anxiety about running out of charge. | iirc tesla has superchargers every 100-150 miles along major highways. If you are concerned about certain areas you can check the plugshare website for potential problem areas. | 32 | 3 | 7,155 |
hf0zor | 213 | U.S. probes touchscreen failures in Tesla Model S cars [https: www.reuters.com article us-tesla-safety u-s-probes-touchscreen-failures-in-tesla-model-s-cars-idUSKBN23V1VG](https: www.reuters.com article us-tesla-safety u-s-probes-touchscreen-failures-in-tesla-model-s-cars-idUSKBN23V1VG) | This is my only repair complaint on my 2013. I had to pay thousands of dollars to replace it with the SAME v1 MCU. Meaning I can expect it to fail again. | Ah finally mayby we ll get new mcu s in the *flagship* Tesla cars. | 50 | 19 | 7,156 |
hf1z6b | 41 | Not many chargers near me. In your opinion is this a big deal when buying a Tesla? Title- Wife and I are considering buying a model 3 sometime in the near future. After checking for charging locations there are almost none near us without going crazy out of the way. Now obviously the primary charging station would be our home but should the lack of chargers deter us at all? I guess I m a little frustrated that there are so few. Several of them are part of hotels and for guests only so that makes charging while ‘out and about even more difficult. We do live “near” (30 min) a big city that has one supercharger and a few other chargers around but honestly the city is super out of the way and I don t see myself ever charging there unless I happen to be in the area. I m basing this off of the Charging Locations listed on the Tesla website. Idk how often it s updated or how accurate it is but I m assuming it s fairly accurate. Thoughts opinions? | I have never once used the superchargers near my home. It s the superchargers that aren t near your home that matter. | I ve only ever HAD to go to a Supercharger twice in 2 years. I charge at home and average 2500km (1550 miles) per month. In warm weather I can go days without charging as long as no unexpected trips pop up. | 175 | 3 | 7,157 |
hf1z6b | 41 | Not many chargers near me. In your opinion is this a big deal when buying a Tesla? Title- Wife and I are considering buying a model 3 sometime in the near future. After checking for charging locations there are almost none near us without going crazy out of the way. Now obviously the primary charging station would be our home but should the lack of chargers deter us at all? I guess I m a little frustrated that there are so few. Several of them are part of hotels and for guests only so that makes charging while ‘out and about even more difficult. We do live “near” (30 min) a big city that has one supercharger and a few other chargers around but honestly the city is super out of the way and I don t see myself ever charging there unless I happen to be in the area. I m basing this off of the Charging Locations listed on the Tesla website. Idk how often it s updated or how accurate it is but I m assuming it s fairly accurate. Thoughts opinions? | I have never once used the superchargers near my home. It s the superchargers that aren t near your home that matter. | What city are you near? Have you checked PlugShare? Do you normally drive 200+ miles in a day? Most of your charging will be done at home. Superchargers and destination chartering stations are intended for long distance travel not around town travel. | 175 | 5 | 7,158 |
hf1z6b | 41 | Not many chargers near me. In your opinion is this a big deal when buying a Tesla? Title- Wife and I are considering buying a model 3 sometime in the near future. After checking for charging locations there are almost none near us without going crazy out of the way. Now obviously the primary charging station would be our home but should the lack of chargers deter us at all? I guess I m a little frustrated that there are so few. Several of them are part of hotels and for guests only so that makes charging while ‘out and about even more difficult. We do live “near” (30 min) a big city that has one supercharger and a few other chargers around but honestly the city is super out of the way and I don t see myself ever charging there unless I happen to be in the area. I m basing this off of the Charging Locations listed on the Tesla website. Idk how often it s updated or how accurate it is but I m assuming it s fairly accurate. Thoughts opinions? | I have never once used the superchargers near my home. It s the superchargers that aren t near your home that matter. | Absolutely not even a concern. Your primary station is your home outlet if you want you can wake up with a full charge every morning (not recommended) or an 80% charge or whatever charge level you need. If you can charge at home particularly with a 240 v it is unlikely you would ever need a third party station nearby (I guess one scenario is if you have no electricity in the house and the distance to the closest charger exceeds your then EV range. But this should never happen if you “top off” when you are at home). Also keep in mind it s cheaper to charge at home than at third party chargers. So no need to be frustrated and definitely no cause for “range anxiety.” | 175 | 31 | 7,159 |
hf6jgf | 156 | FSD now $3 000 for EAP-equipped Teslas Just a note that FSD [is on sale for $3 000](https: i.imgur.com UsnCnok.png) vs the $4 000 it s been lately if your car is equipped with EAP. > Includes: > Navigate on Autopilot Auto Lane Change Autopark Summon Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control > Coming soon: > Autosteer on city streets So if I m not mistaken since half those features already exists for EAP: what this adds is ~~lane changing without hitting the turn signal summon connects to Homelink~~ traffic light and stop sign control and the promise of autosteer on city streets. | Somebody s looking for quick revenue before quarter s end. | Summon homelink and lane change without turn signal already exists in EAP. The only thing it doesn t is autosteer and traffic light stop and go. | 94 | 14 | 7,160 |
hf6jgf | 156 | FSD now $3 000 for EAP-equipped Teslas Just a note that FSD [is on sale for $3 000](https: i.imgur.com UsnCnok.png) vs the $4 000 it s been lately if your car is equipped with EAP. > Includes: > Navigate on Autopilot Auto Lane Change Autopark Summon Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control > Coming soon: > Autosteer on city streets So if I m not mistaken since half those features already exists for EAP: what this adds is ~~lane changing without hitting the turn signal summon connects to Homelink~~ traffic light and stop sign control and the promise of autosteer on city streets. | Somebody s looking for quick revenue before quarter s end. | For my enhanced autopilot I have all features except the stop at red light feature. 3000 dollars for just that is still a hard sell. | 94 | 30 | 7,161 |
hf8qgm | 36 | How is the 2020 Model 3 SR+ in Canadian winters? I ve been doing lots of research on the model 3 and am seriously considering buying one. My only concern is range loss in the cold and whenever I look into this I seem to get mixed results. For some background info I m looking at the 2020 Model 3 SR+ which estimates 402km of range per charge. I live in Ottawa Ontario where our winters can get quite cold - reaching as low as -40°C (-40°F) with a good chunk of days around -20°C (-4°F). I ve heard that in extreme cold you can expect 50% range loss bringing that 402km down to 201km. Now majority of my driving in the winter would be no more than 100km per day. However I usually do take a few trips per winter from Ottawa to Montreal (193km) and Ottawa to Tremblant (176km). There is a supercharger about 1 3rd of the way to Montreal however there is nothing by the looks of it until you get to Tremblant. Could a SR+ Model 3 make 176km in one charge in extreme cold? I also understand the SR+ Model 3 is rear wheel drive which typically would be a bad vehicle to drive in the snow. From my research though it looks like Tesla has some next level traction control and that even a RWD Model 3 handles well. Any feedback on this is also welcome! Thanks in advance for the help! | This post is one hour old and has 5 super detailed accurate polite useful and NICE answers. Canadian Tesla people - you seem awesome. Makes me want to drive up there just to hang out! | I think this is a bit hard to answer because YMMV based on several factors: traffic heater seat warmers driving downhill uphill wind speed etc. I m in Toronto end and this past winter I haven t seen too crazy of a drop. I normally charge every 4 days in the spring-fall. Winter I did around 2-3 days. Biggest drain was heating the car. | 52 | 5 | 7,162 |
hf8qgm | 36 | How is the 2020 Model 3 SR+ in Canadian winters? I ve been doing lots of research on the model 3 and am seriously considering buying one. My only concern is range loss in the cold and whenever I look into this I seem to get mixed results. For some background info I m looking at the 2020 Model 3 SR+ which estimates 402km of range per charge. I live in Ottawa Ontario where our winters can get quite cold - reaching as low as -40°C (-40°F) with a good chunk of days around -20°C (-4°F). I ve heard that in extreme cold you can expect 50% range loss bringing that 402km down to 201km. Now majority of my driving in the winter would be no more than 100km per day. However I usually do take a few trips per winter from Ottawa to Montreal (193km) and Ottawa to Tremblant (176km). There is a supercharger about 1 3rd of the way to Montreal however there is nothing by the looks of it until you get to Tremblant. Could a SR+ Model 3 make 176km in one charge in extreme cold? I also understand the SR+ Model 3 is rear wheel drive which typically would be a bad vehicle to drive in the snow. From my research though it looks like Tesla has some next level traction control and that even a RWD Model 3 handles well. Any feedback on this is also welcome! Thanks in advance for the help! | This post is one hour old and has 5 super detailed accurate polite useful and NICE answers. Canadian Tesla people - you seem awesome. Makes me want to drive up there just to hang out! | If you can plug in before leaving preheat the battery and the interior I think you should be fine. The stock tires are only ok for winter driving but with good winter tires the model 3 is excellent in winter conditions. My commute is 230km round trip on a mountain highway and this winter at -10 degree charging to 90% cabin heat set to 20 degrees I made it home with over 10% remaining . We don t get cold weather all that often here in BC and I have actually found that heavy rain and 1 degree conditions affect my range more than just the cold. I would guess that heavy snow on the road would reduce range a lot. | 52 | 8 | 7,163 |
hf8qgm | 36 | How is the 2020 Model 3 SR+ in Canadian winters? I ve been doing lots of research on the model 3 and am seriously considering buying one. My only concern is range loss in the cold and whenever I look into this I seem to get mixed results. For some background info I m looking at the 2020 Model 3 SR+ which estimates 402km of range per charge. I live in Ottawa Ontario where our winters can get quite cold - reaching as low as -40°C (-40°F) with a good chunk of days around -20°C (-4°F). I ve heard that in extreme cold you can expect 50% range loss bringing that 402km down to 201km. Now majority of my driving in the winter would be no more than 100km per day. However I usually do take a few trips per winter from Ottawa to Montreal (193km) and Ottawa to Tremblant (176km). There is a supercharger about 1 3rd of the way to Montreal however there is nothing by the looks of it until you get to Tremblant. Could a SR+ Model 3 make 176km in one charge in extreme cold? I also understand the SR+ Model 3 is rear wheel drive which typically would be a bad vehicle to drive in the snow. From my research though it looks like Tesla has some next level traction control and that even a RWD Model 3 handles well. Any feedback on this is also welcome! Thanks in advance for the help! | This post is one hour old and has 5 super detailed accurate polite useful and NICE answers. Canadian Tesla people - you seem awesome. Makes me want to drive up there just to hang out! | I m looking at a Better Route Planner and you can supercharge in Ottawa and drive straight to Tremblant in 155 km. Totally doable. I m looking at the supercharger in Laval and it s 108 km to Tremblant. I have a 2019 SR+ with about 5% degradation which means 367 km of range. I drove from the GTA to Vermont and back on a ski trip three people total and gear and it was doable. For reference my longest stretch was from Cornwall to Kingston @ 181 km. That was a little hairy at first I made it fine going from 86% to 11%. It was snowing heavily and around zero out. I guess what I am saying is you can certainly make it on those trips and save yourself $15K. You also have 402 km of range instead of my 386 to start and a current range of 367. Plus I could have charged to 100% and got another 50 km of range - more like 25 in a worst case scenario. Feel free to reach out if you have more questions. The SR+ while taking a bit longer on road trips is perfectly fine for most people. I even put over 3 000 km on it during a 1 week road trip in the summer. Canadian winters in your area are fine too. Edit: you can also pay $400 after buying it to enable the rear seat heaters for your passengers so you don t have to run the heat too much. | 52 | 13 | 7,164 |
hfaawk | 402 | Is Tesla right to hold out on CarPlay and Android Auto integration? I know I know the predominant opinion here is that Tesla s infotainment system is so wrapped up into the car that a system like CarPlay wouldn t be able to replace it. I m aware the screen is used for integral car functions and that the navigation is aware of your charge level and routes you to Superchargers. However CarPlay and Android Auto are becoming better at a rate Tesla won t be able to compete. & #x200B **Things Tesla will never be able to compete with:** * 3rd Party App Support: Apple recently allowed more types of apps to integrate with CarPlay including Parking and Food Ordering Apps. Apple already allows audio and messaging apps as well. This means I can use WhatsApp Overcast Audible Spotify and much more without having to touch my phone. Soon Starbucks will probably be added to that list. You can also use other navigation apps like Waze that provide features Tesla does not like police warnings. Even \\*if\\* Tesla allows 3rd Party apps if you are a developer it won t be worth having resources allocated to Tesla s proprietary system when CarPlay and Android Auto cover 99% of cars. * 1st Party Phone Integration: With CarPlay and Android Auto your phone integrates completely. Siri and Google Assistant work quickly and can actually show you things instead of relying on audio only. You can run Siri Shortcuts. Things like Calendar appointments and iOS location sharing all work from CarPlay. Tesla will never be able to have this level of integration. CarPlay doesn t need to take over the whole screen- many manufactures have CarPlay and their own system coexist. Nearly every manufacturer has caved an added it. From the most luxurious brands to the most economical CarPlay and Android Auto are becoming [ubiquitous](https: www.apple.com ios carplay available-models ). I think Tesla s [NIH](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Not_invented_here) Behavior can t last forever. Edit: To all those saying they hate CarPlay and AA and they don t want it... well what about making it an option like BMW or Mercedes? Implementing the API would be relatively simple for a company Tesla s size. It could be a toggle. | I agree. They gotta figure out a way to integrate CarPlay AA so that it can work in conjunction with the current Tesla features. Maybe they could partner with Android Apple to bring native apps to the car rather than having a UI window pop up that has the CarPlay AA interface? Support for Podcast apps Apple Music SiriusXM etc would make the car so much better. | 100% agreed. | 193 | 13 | 7,165 |
hfaawk | 402 | Is Tesla right to hold out on CarPlay and Android Auto integration? I know I know the predominant opinion here is that Tesla s infotainment system is so wrapped up into the car that a system like CarPlay wouldn t be able to replace it. I m aware the screen is used for integral car functions and that the navigation is aware of your charge level and routes you to Superchargers. However CarPlay and Android Auto are becoming better at a rate Tesla won t be able to compete. & #x200B **Things Tesla will never be able to compete with:** * 3rd Party App Support: Apple recently allowed more types of apps to integrate with CarPlay including Parking and Food Ordering Apps. Apple already allows audio and messaging apps as well. This means I can use WhatsApp Overcast Audible Spotify and much more without having to touch my phone. Soon Starbucks will probably be added to that list. You can also use other navigation apps like Waze that provide features Tesla does not like police warnings. Even \\*if\\* Tesla allows 3rd Party apps if you are a developer it won t be worth having resources allocated to Tesla s proprietary system when CarPlay and Android Auto cover 99% of cars. * 1st Party Phone Integration: With CarPlay and Android Auto your phone integrates completely. Siri and Google Assistant work quickly and can actually show you things instead of relying on audio only. You can run Siri Shortcuts. Things like Calendar appointments and iOS location sharing all work from CarPlay. Tesla will never be able to have this level of integration. CarPlay doesn t need to take over the whole screen- many manufactures have CarPlay and their own system coexist. Nearly every manufacturer has caved an added it. From the most luxurious brands to the most economical CarPlay and Android Auto are becoming [ubiquitous](https: www.apple.com ios carplay available-models ). I think Tesla s [NIH](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Not_invented_here) Behavior can t last forever. Edit: To all those saying they hate CarPlay and AA and they don t want it... well what about making it an option like BMW or Mercedes? Implementing the API would be relatively simple for a company Tesla s size. It could be a toggle. | I agree. They gotta figure out a way to integrate CarPlay AA so that it can work in conjunction with the current Tesla features. Maybe they could partner with Android Apple to bring native apps to the car rather than having a UI window pop up that has the CarPlay AA interface? Support for Podcast apps Apple Music SiriusXM etc would make the car so much better. | 100% hope they do. It be nice | 193 | 17 | 7,166 |
hfaawk | 402 | Is Tesla right to hold out on CarPlay and Android Auto integration? I know I know the predominant opinion here is that Tesla s infotainment system is so wrapped up into the car that a system like CarPlay wouldn t be able to replace it. I m aware the screen is used for integral car functions and that the navigation is aware of your charge level and routes you to Superchargers. However CarPlay and Android Auto are becoming better at a rate Tesla won t be able to compete. & #x200B **Things Tesla will never be able to compete with:** * 3rd Party App Support: Apple recently allowed more types of apps to integrate with CarPlay including Parking and Food Ordering Apps. Apple already allows audio and messaging apps as well. This means I can use WhatsApp Overcast Audible Spotify and much more without having to touch my phone. Soon Starbucks will probably be added to that list. You can also use other navigation apps like Waze that provide features Tesla does not like police warnings. Even \\*if\\* Tesla allows 3rd Party apps if you are a developer it won t be worth having resources allocated to Tesla s proprietary system when CarPlay and Android Auto cover 99% of cars. * 1st Party Phone Integration: With CarPlay and Android Auto your phone integrates completely. Siri and Google Assistant work quickly and can actually show you things instead of relying on audio only. You can run Siri Shortcuts. Things like Calendar appointments and iOS location sharing all work from CarPlay. Tesla will never be able to have this level of integration. CarPlay doesn t need to take over the whole screen- many manufactures have CarPlay and their own system coexist. Nearly every manufacturer has caved an added it. From the most luxurious brands to the most economical CarPlay and Android Auto are becoming [ubiquitous](https: www.apple.com ios carplay available-models ). I think Tesla s [NIH](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Not_invented_here) Behavior can t last forever. Edit: To all those saying they hate CarPlay and AA and they don t want it... well what about making it an option like BMW or Mercedes? Implementing the API would be relatively simple for a company Tesla s size. It could be a toggle. | I agree. They gotta figure out a way to integrate CarPlay AA so that it can work in conjunction with the current Tesla features. Maybe they could partner with Android Apple to bring native apps to the car rather than having a UI window pop up that has the CarPlay AA interface? Support for Podcast apps Apple Music SiriusXM etc would make the car so much better. | Yup. They need to find a way to make it work. Podcasts and Apple Music at a minimum. | 193 | 33 | 7,167 |
hfdy9j | 98 | 2020.24.6.x Software Update Megathread **2020.24.6.x** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). **[Release Notes Highlights](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.24.6.1)**: - Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Continue through Green intersection w lead car) - Range Display Updates (Model S Raven LR+) - Backup Camera Improvements - Supercharger Improvements (S X) (V3 Supercharging at 225kW) - Dashcam Viewer Improvements - Pay Per Use Supercharging (S 3 X) updates (Korea only) - TuneIn Improvements - Walk-Away Door Lock Improvements - New Language Support (Portuguese) - On-Route Battery Warmup (Now to select third-party chargers) - Cabin Camera Enabling (for safety + collision events also opt-in) Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: - [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. - Teslascope - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. - TeslaFi - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | They finally fixed one of the most long running bugs I know about (Since Dec 2019). Theater mode now returns the ambient and dome light settings to their previous value on exit! This was the source of the ambient and dome light settings changing for most people. | Love that you can see the side cameras but I hate how dim the map is behind it whenever you have the rear cam up now. I drive with the cam up all the time but now the next turn direction at the top of the screen and the music controls below are super dark. | 35 | 2 | 7,168 |
hfdy9j | 98 | 2020.24.6.x Software Update Megathread **2020.24.6.x** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). **[Release Notes Highlights](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.24.6.1)**: - Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Continue through Green intersection w lead car) - Range Display Updates (Model S Raven LR+) - Backup Camera Improvements - Supercharger Improvements (S X) (V3 Supercharging at 225kW) - Dashcam Viewer Improvements - Pay Per Use Supercharging (S 3 X) updates (Korea only) - TuneIn Improvements - Walk-Away Door Lock Improvements - New Language Support (Portuguese) - On-Route Battery Warmup (Now to select third-party chargers) - Cabin Camera Enabling (for safety + collision events also opt-in) Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: - [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. - Teslascope - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. - TeslaFi - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | They finally fixed one of the most long running bugs I know about (Since Dec 2019). Theater mode now returns the ambient and dome light settings to their previous value on exit! This was the source of the ambient and dome light settings changing for most people. | What does the “Pay Per Use Supercharging” line mean given this has been a “feature” of non-free supercharging cars historically? | 35 | 2 | 7,169 |
hfdy9j | 98 | 2020.24.6.x Software Update Megathread **2020.24.6.x** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). **[Release Notes Highlights](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.24.6.1)**: - Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control (Continue through Green intersection w lead car) - Range Display Updates (Model S Raven LR+) - Backup Camera Improvements - Supercharger Improvements (S X) (V3 Supercharging at 225kW) - Dashcam Viewer Improvements - Pay Per Use Supercharging (S 3 X) updates (Korea only) - TuneIn Improvements - Walk-Away Door Lock Improvements - New Language Support (Portuguese) - On-Route Battery Warmup (Now to select third-party chargers) - Cabin Camera Enabling (for safety + collision events also opt-in) Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: - [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. - Teslascope - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. - TeslaFi - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | They finally fixed one of the most long running bugs I know about (Since Dec 2019). Theater mode now returns the ambient and dome light settings to their previous value on exit! This was the source of the ambient and dome light settings changing for most people. | Anybody have any more info on the S X v3 supercharger improvements? Will all models get this or just newer ones? | 35 | 3 | 7,170 |
hfkxof | 200 | I m an idiot and gave myself false range anxiety I keep my battery display in miles instead of percentage. The other day I left my house with 91 miles in the battery. I put my destination in the GPS and it shows a roughly 10 mile drive 11 minutes and that I would arrive with 28 miles left in the battery. I freaked out. How could driving 10 miles deplete 60 miles of range?? I know it was some highway driving but it wasn t that far! I get to my destination and I have 84 miles of range remaining. Odd I thought. Guess the computer is wrong. I then put in my second destination roughly 11 miles away. Computer says I ll only have 24 miles remaining on arrival. 24?! How is this even possible. I get to my next destination (co workers house) with about 77 miles of range. I m so worried that I pull out the charging cable and plug in while at his home. I figure even a few miles is better than nothing. The day ends and I make it home with no issues and plug in. Then I realize my mistake. When using the GPS it will show you the PERCENTAGE of battery you have left upon arrival regardless of what metric you have it on. So I gave myself a range anxiety heart attack for no reason. Always learning! TL DR: keep my battery in miles not percentage. GPS will show you your battery PERCENTAGE upon arrival. I though otherwise and gave myself range anxiety. Model 3 LR DM 1.5 year owner | This may just be me but my preference is always to just leave it at percentage for everything. No worrying about why the car charged up one less mile today than yesterday and all the freaking out about battery degradation. I mean would any one leave their phone in a mode where the battery said 451 minutes of reddit scrolling left. | Lol it happens. | 247 | 2 | 7,171 |
hfn7tq | 258 | Tesla roadside put a hole in my battery Long story short I called for roadside assistance because I had a flat tire due to a small nail. Tesla roadside sent a local flatbed with a loaner wheel and tire. The tow truck operator placed the jack incorrectly and damaged my battery causing coolant to leak everywhere. The operator was very apologetic and took responsibility right away and brought my model 3 to a local tesla service center. Although I got a loaner I would prefer to have my car back as far as I know no progress has been made including fixing or replacing the tire. They are waiting for the insurance company for the flatbed to order me a battery replacement. Has anyone experienced this? Any suggestions to fast track the repair? | Congrats you get a fresh new battery pack for free. | The tire is a 15 minute repair. The battery might get bogged down in insurance red tape and take a while. Call the shop every other day to follow up | 473 | 3 | 7,172 |
hfn7tq | 258 | Tesla roadside put a hole in my battery Long story short I called for roadside assistance because I had a flat tire due to a small nail. Tesla roadside sent a local flatbed with a loaner wheel and tire. The tow truck operator placed the jack incorrectly and damaged my battery causing coolant to leak everywhere. The operator was very apologetic and took responsibility right away and brought my model 3 to a local tesla service center. Although I got a loaner I would prefer to have my car back as far as I know no progress has been made including fixing or replacing the tire. They are waiting for the insurance company for the flatbed to order me a battery replacement. Has anyone experienced this? Any suggestions to fast track the repair? | Congrats you get a fresh new battery pack for free. | Yikes I m sorry to hear that. That s an expensive mistake. | 473 | 4 | 7,173 |
hfn7tq | 258 | Tesla roadside put a hole in my battery Long story short I called for roadside assistance because I had a flat tire due to a small nail. Tesla roadside sent a local flatbed with a loaner wheel and tire. The tow truck operator placed the jack incorrectly and damaged my battery causing coolant to leak everywhere. The operator was very apologetic and took responsibility right away and brought my model 3 to a local tesla service center. Although I got a loaner I would prefer to have my car back as far as I know no progress has been made including fixing or replacing the tire. They are waiting for the insurance company for the flatbed to order me a battery replacement. Has anyone experienced this? Any suggestions to fast track the repair? | Congrats you get a fresh new battery pack for free. | I m always super nervous of this. I even bought a set of pucks to use when lifting my car. Of course when I took my car to get tires rotated I told them the pucks were in the passenger seat if they didn t have any. The guys like ohh don t worry we do Tesla s all the time. I watch through the window as they drive it in and just jack it up without anything using floor jacks. I wanted to scream. I checked the car after and didn t see any damage but damnit why won t people listen. Sorry to hear about your battery. Hopefully they can get a replacement soon. | 473 | 12 | 7,174 |
hfr9hf | 923 | Raven is like magic carpet ride. Five years of development is staggering. Highly recommended for those on the fence. After a friend kept raving about the recent Model S following a testdrive I fell into the trap of checking out the local inventory. Little did i know what i bought was a teleporting magic carpet. It also happened to be the car he was eyeing. Oops. https: i.imgur.com lSb3J42.jpg It wasn t until i had my 14 and this 19 side by side and drove one after the other i noticed the expanse of the changes done in five years. Of course there s the facelift we re all used to and I ve had several loaners and tried all combinations of Autopilot versions suspensions and options offerings - except this. Small refinements add up over time but this is a serious architectural and generational change for the Model S. It ll pull car lengths on a GT-R yet float along the highway like an S-class. If you re on the fence about upgrading an older S or X i highly recommend trying a Raven. I was initially in it for the charging speed and long-distance endurance but I seriously couldn t be more chuffed. | Well put. I had a 14 and a 17 S and recently test drove the 20. Better suspension. Better seats. Somehow more headroom. Just lots of little improvements that add up to a substantially better car. I wound up going with an inventory 20 Model X Performance and it feels like a spaceship. I can also report that I don t miss real leather in any way. I was a little grumpy about such an expensive car that can t even be ordered with leather but having lived with the Ultraleather for a few weeks I have zero regrets. | Totally agree. My wife s Raven X is night and day from my P85D+. I actually get a little car sick driving her car because it s so smooth on the road | 264 | 73 | 7,175 |
hfr9hf | 923 | Raven is like magic carpet ride. Five years of development is staggering. Highly recommended for those on the fence. After a friend kept raving about the recent Model S following a testdrive I fell into the trap of checking out the local inventory. Little did i know what i bought was a teleporting magic carpet. It also happened to be the car he was eyeing. Oops. https: i.imgur.com lSb3J42.jpg It wasn t until i had my 14 and this 19 side by side and drove one after the other i noticed the expanse of the changes done in five years. Of course there s the facelift we re all used to and I ve had several loaners and tried all combinations of Autopilot versions suspensions and options offerings - except this. Small refinements add up over time but this is a serious architectural and generational change for the Model S. It ll pull car lengths on a GT-R yet float along the highway like an S-class. If you re on the fence about upgrading an older S or X i highly recommend trying a Raven. I was initially in it for the charging speed and long-distance endurance but I seriously couldn t be more chuffed. | Well put. I had a 14 and a 17 S and recently test drove the 20. Better suspension. Better seats. Somehow more headroom. Just lots of little improvements that add up to a substantially better car. I wound up going with an inventory 20 Model X Performance and it feels like a spaceship. I can also report that I don t miss real leather in any way. I was a little grumpy about such an expensive car that can t even be ordered with leather but having lived with the Ultraleather for a few weeks I have zero regrets. | I think a design overhaul is still long overdue though both inside and out. | 264 | 83 | 7,176 |
hfr9hf | 923 | Raven is like magic carpet ride. Five years of development is staggering. Highly recommended for those on the fence. After a friend kept raving about the recent Model S following a testdrive I fell into the trap of checking out the local inventory. Little did i know what i bought was a teleporting magic carpet. It also happened to be the car he was eyeing. Oops. https: i.imgur.com lSb3J42.jpg It wasn t until i had my 14 and this 19 side by side and drove one after the other i noticed the expanse of the changes done in five years. Of course there s the facelift we re all used to and I ve had several loaners and tried all combinations of Autopilot versions suspensions and options offerings - except this. Small refinements add up over time but this is a serious architectural and generational change for the Model S. It ll pull car lengths on a GT-R yet float along the highway like an S-class. If you re on the fence about upgrading an older S or X i highly recommend trying a Raven. I was initially in it for the charging speed and long-distance endurance but I seriously couldn t be more chuffed. | I have an X LR+ and I just took an X 90D (loaner from Tesla) on a road trip over the weekend. Both have the 22 wheels. The steering is night and day and the overall handling is better with the new suspension. Sport steering on the LR+ is amazing. The 90D was a nice ride but the LR+ is tighter and quieter. Those original Model X s always felt a bit like a Ford to me. It s no longer the case. I like the old button for the falcon wing doors more than the new ones but the doors themselves work much better. The new ones seem to have more confidence. The range estimate on the 90D was accurate. I actually showed up to super charges with what it said I would. It s never been accurate with my LR+. 250 is possible with 90D but I ll never get 350 with mine. I almost like the old autopilot more (on the highway). It held a line and if it lost one it stuck to the other. HW 3.0 tries to stay in the center no matter what and you end up turning into merging lanes and what not. 3.0 also likes to ride the line when you take turns fast. I don t appreciate that when I m next to another car or a concrete wall. | How is the handling turning? Is it similar to the S or have they tweaked it? | 39 | 2 | 7,177 |
hfv85g | 6,490 | Police Mode propesition to protect drivers from Cops in traffic stops. Possibly activated by saying something like: I m being pulled over in order to turn all cameras and microphones in the car as well as put a warning on the car s display to let cops know they re being recorded from every angle Requesting this from Tesla to protect their drivers from police abuse in traffic stops. A mode that can be activated through a voice command by saying something like: I m being pulled over or even auto activated when the car detects it s being pulled over all in order to activate all cameras and microphones in the car and put a warning on the car s display to let the cops know that the car is filming them from every angle. That way they know to act like they re on camera. This would help all drivers from abuse not just us minority drivers. But it would aslo greatly help minority drivers like myself from abuse. Because the first time I was pulled over I had a gun pulled on me and the officer tried to get me out of my car to search it by lying that we were on a private road as well as threatening to shoot me for reaching for my registration like he asked me to do. Thankfully my cousin who was in the car with me called out the cops lie about the road being a private road by stating that his private school would use the road to drive to their golf practice all the time. As soon as the cop heard that he put his gun away and ceased from his attempts to search my vehicle. Had my cousin not been there then I would ve been further harassed or worse. But from watching other videos online every race even white people even white lawyers can get harrased even when filming with their phones. Filming with our phones often agitates cops and further escalates traffic stop situations when cops often-times ask people to stop filming them and the people filming do not comply in stopping their filming with their phones for the very well reason of their own safety. [Here s an example of a lawyer who was further harassed by police for filming with his phone for his own safety.](https: www.instagram.com tv CBKO_NgAl64 ?igshid=1vwmx4rr3ao5m) If our cars can film the cops for us then we can say that that is just what our cars activate automatically when we re pulled over for our own safety leading the cops to believe we have no control over the car filming them preventing further escalation of the situation since the cops can t then ask us to stop filming them since it s the car doing it and not us. This would significantly drive sales too with people knowing these cars can greatly increase the chances of them not being abused or worse killed by police in traffic stop situations. Edit: [Adding my tweet here in hopes that it can get Elon s attention regarding this feature request](https: twitter.com InvestlaYT status 1276563261513662464) > Edit 2: u Richfuckingprick suggest a good feature of security for police mode. Quote: > make it require a pin number to deactivate. Maybe a double pin(aka a false pin) so if they try to beat the code out of you you can give them the false pin and disable the system for 24 hours. (I m guessing it tells them it deleted it with the false pin but saves it covertly for the owner and continues recording covertly? At least that s what I and many others would recommend and would feel safe with. Especiallyif your at the point of getting tortured for the shutoff pin. Of course if it is not able to be stopped unless the traffic stop if over then the car can just tell the cop that on the display then the former situation is avoided. Both good options though.) | Just call it Passenger Protection Mode or something. This is applicable to other situations besides cops pulling you over. I ve been parked randomly sometimes enjoying a view and a meal and have had some sketchy situations occur close by. Would love to know I was 100% recording and backed up flashdrive seems to fail every time I need it. | How about we take it a step further and have the car pull over when sirens lights are present. Many people listen to music too loud to hear oncoming ambulances. | 672 | 2 | 7,178 |
hfv85g | 6,490 | Police Mode propesition to protect drivers from Cops in traffic stops. Possibly activated by saying something like: I m being pulled over in order to turn all cameras and microphones in the car as well as put a warning on the car s display to let cops know they re being recorded from every angle Requesting this from Tesla to protect their drivers from police abuse in traffic stops. A mode that can be activated through a voice command by saying something like: I m being pulled over or even auto activated when the car detects it s being pulled over all in order to activate all cameras and microphones in the car and put a warning on the car s display to let the cops know that the car is filming them from every angle. That way they know to act like they re on camera. This would help all drivers from abuse not just us minority drivers. But it would aslo greatly help minority drivers like myself from abuse. Because the first time I was pulled over I had a gun pulled on me and the officer tried to get me out of my car to search it by lying that we were on a private road as well as threatening to shoot me for reaching for my registration like he asked me to do. Thankfully my cousin who was in the car with me called out the cops lie about the road being a private road by stating that his private school would use the road to drive to their golf practice all the time. As soon as the cop heard that he put his gun away and ceased from his attempts to search my vehicle. Had my cousin not been there then I would ve been further harassed or worse. But from watching other videos online every race even white people even white lawyers can get harrased even when filming with their phones. Filming with our phones often agitates cops and further escalates traffic stop situations when cops often-times ask people to stop filming them and the people filming do not comply in stopping their filming with their phones for the very well reason of their own safety. [Here s an example of a lawyer who was further harassed by police for filming with his phone for his own safety.](https: www.instagram.com tv CBKO_NgAl64 ?igshid=1vwmx4rr3ao5m) If our cars can film the cops for us then we can say that that is just what our cars activate automatically when we re pulled over for our own safety leading the cops to believe we have no control over the car filming them preventing further escalation of the situation since the cops can t then ask us to stop filming them since it s the car doing it and not us. This would significantly drive sales too with people knowing these cars can greatly increase the chances of them not being abused or worse killed by police in traffic stop situations. Edit: [Adding my tweet here in hopes that it can get Elon s attention regarding this feature request](https: twitter.com InvestlaYT status 1276563261513662464) > Edit 2: u Richfuckingprick suggest a good feature of security for police mode. Quote: > make it require a pin number to deactivate. Maybe a double pin(aka a false pin) so if they try to beat the code out of you you can give them the false pin and disable the system for 24 hours. (I m guessing it tells them it deleted it with the false pin but saves it covertly for the owner and continues recording covertly? At least that s what I and many others would recommend and would feel safe with. Especiallyif your at the point of getting tortured for the shutoff pin. Of course if it is not able to be stopped unless the traffic stop if over then the car can just tell the cop that on the display then the former situation is avoided. Both good options though.) | Just call it Passenger Protection Mode or something. This is applicable to other situations besides cops pulling you over. I ve been parked randomly sometimes enjoying a view and a meal and have had some sketchy situations occur close by. Would love to know I was 100% recording and backed up flashdrive seems to fail every time I need it. | And turn the mic recording on | 672 | 3 | 7,179 |
hfv85g | 6,490 | Police Mode propesition to protect drivers from Cops in traffic stops. Possibly activated by saying something like: I m being pulled over in order to turn all cameras and microphones in the car as well as put a warning on the car s display to let cops know they re being recorded from every angle Requesting this from Tesla to protect their drivers from police abuse in traffic stops. A mode that can be activated through a voice command by saying something like: I m being pulled over or even auto activated when the car detects it s being pulled over all in order to activate all cameras and microphones in the car and put a warning on the car s display to let the cops know that the car is filming them from every angle. That way they know to act like they re on camera. This would help all drivers from abuse not just us minority drivers. But it would aslo greatly help minority drivers like myself from abuse. Because the first time I was pulled over I had a gun pulled on me and the officer tried to get me out of my car to search it by lying that we were on a private road as well as threatening to shoot me for reaching for my registration like he asked me to do. Thankfully my cousin who was in the car with me called out the cops lie about the road being a private road by stating that his private school would use the road to drive to their golf practice all the time. As soon as the cop heard that he put his gun away and ceased from his attempts to search my vehicle. Had my cousin not been there then I would ve been further harassed or worse. But from watching other videos online every race even white people even white lawyers can get harrased even when filming with their phones. Filming with our phones often agitates cops and further escalates traffic stop situations when cops often-times ask people to stop filming them and the people filming do not comply in stopping their filming with their phones for the very well reason of their own safety. [Here s an example of a lawyer who was further harassed by police for filming with his phone for his own safety.](https: www.instagram.com tv CBKO_NgAl64 ?igshid=1vwmx4rr3ao5m) If our cars can film the cops for us then we can say that that is just what our cars activate automatically when we re pulled over for our own safety leading the cops to believe we have no control over the car filming them preventing further escalation of the situation since the cops can t then ask us to stop filming them since it s the car doing it and not us. This would significantly drive sales too with people knowing these cars can greatly increase the chances of them not being abused or worse killed by police in traffic stop situations. Edit: [Adding my tweet here in hopes that it can get Elon s attention regarding this feature request](https: twitter.com InvestlaYT status 1276563261513662464) > Edit 2: u Richfuckingprick suggest a good feature of security for police mode. Quote: > make it require a pin number to deactivate. Maybe a double pin(aka a false pin) so if they try to beat the code out of you you can give them the false pin and disable the system for 24 hours. (I m guessing it tells them it deleted it with the false pin but saves it covertly for the owner and continues recording covertly? At least that s what I and many others would recommend and would feel safe with. Especiallyif your at the point of getting tortured for the shutoff pin. Of course if it is not able to be stopped unless the traffic stop if over then the car can just tell the cop that on the display then the former situation is avoided. Both good options though.) | Just call it Passenger Protection Mode or something. This is applicable to other situations besides cops pulling you over. I ve been parked randomly sometimes enjoying a view and a meal and have had some sketchy situations occur close by. Would love to know I was 100% recording and backed up flashdrive seems to fail every time I need it. | If you get pulled over the car is already recording everything. Just have to press the save button when it s over so it doesn t go away. If you want the cop to know that it s receding you could host just tell them | 672 | 3 | 7,180 |
hgdmk3 | 68 | Autopilot Slams on Brakes on Highway Yesterday evening I was on a straight and empty highway clear and bright with an hour or so of daylight remaining in the second-to-right lane of four lanes my direction nothing in the road. As the car was about to drive under a bridge it suddenly SLAMMED on the brakes like completely stomped on them. Scared the crap out of me. I hit the accelerator pedal to speed up immediately but by then I had slowed to around 30 mph. If someone had been behind me I would have been rear-ended. There was nothing in the road except perhaps the shadow of the bridge? I did not notice anything pop up on the visualization part of the screen. 2020 M3P no FSD. 2020.20.12. WTF? Was it the bridge? Should I be afraid to use AP if there is any traffic on the road? Is there a way to predict (and prevent) this behavior? **UDPATE:** Just tried the exact same route same use of AP at 64 mph same lane. I had no issues with phantom braking tonight. Conditions were *very* similar but not exactly the same -- around the spot there were some cars a ways in front of me that I could see represented on the visualization part of the screen. Maybe seeing following those cars helped AP. Also I tried to look around for clues to what may have caused it last night. I couldn t see anything. The lane lines were clearly visible no weird curves or inclines or declines in the road the bridge was not odd on the horizon shadow didn t look weird. | You must be new here. Welcome aboard. Hopefully this gets fixed soon but it s been an issue for a **long** time. Some software versions are better than others. It doesn t happen often to me but it has and it s infuriating. Bottom line with Autopilot always be ready for anything. It works great 99% of the time but that 1% will ruin your underwear. | This is worrying | 142 | 3 | 7,181 |
hgdmk3 | 68 | Autopilot Slams on Brakes on Highway Yesterday evening I was on a straight and empty highway clear and bright with an hour or so of daylight remaining in the second-to-right lane of four lanes my direction nothing in the road. As the car was about to drive under a bridge it suddenly SLAMMED on the brakes like completely stomped on them. Scared the crap out of me. I hit the accelerator pedal to speed up immediately but by then I had slowed to around 30 mph. If someone had been behind me I would have been rear-ended. There was nothing in the road except perhaps the shadow of the bridge? I did not notice anything pop up on the visualization part of the screen. 2020 M3P no FSD. 2020.20.12. WTF? Was it the bridge? Should I be afraid to use AP if there is any traffic on the road? Is there a way to predict (and prevent) this behavior? **UDPATE:** Just tried the exact same route same use of AP at 64 mph same lane. I had no issues with phantom braking tonight. Conditions were *very* similar but not exactly the same -- around the spot there were some cars a ways in front of me that I could see represented on the visualization part of the screen. Maybe seeing following those cars helped AP. Also I tried to look around for clues to what may have caused it last night. I couldn t see anything. The lane lines were clearly visible no weird curves or inclines or declines in the road the bridge was not odd on the horizon shadow didn t look weird. | You must be new here. Welcome aboard. Hopefully this gets fixed soon but it s been an issue for a **long** time. Some software versions are better than others. It doesn t happen often to me but it has and it s infuriating. Bottom line with Autopilot always be ready for anything. It works great 99% of the time but that 1% will ruin your underwear. | Super normal happends all the time | 142 | 9 | 7,182 |
hgdmk3 | 68 | Autopilot Slams on Brakes on Highway Yesterday evening I was on a straight and empty highway clear and bright with an hour or so of daylight remaining in the second-to-right lane of four lanes my direction nothing in the road. As the car was about to drive under a bridge it suddenly SLAMMED on the brakes like completely stomped on them. Scared the crap out of me. I hit the accelerator pedal to speed up immediately but by then I had slowed to around 30 mph. If someone had been behind me I would have been rear-ended. There was nothing in the road except perhaps the shadow of the bridge? I did not notice anything pop up on the visualization part of the screen. 2020 M3P no FSD. 2020.20.12. WTF? Was it the bridge? Should I be afraid to use AP if there is any traffic on the road? Is there a way to predict (and prevent) this behavior? **UDPATE:** Just tried the exact same route same use of AP at 64 mph same lane. I had no issues with phantom braking tonight. Conditions were *very* similar but not exactly the same -- around the spot there were some cars a ways in front of me that I could see represented on the visualization part of the screen. Maybe seeing following those cars helped AP. Also I tried to look around for clues to what may have caused it last night. I couldn t see anything. The lane lines were clearly visible no weird curves or inclines or declines in the road the bridge was not odd on the horizon shadow didn t look weird. | You must be new here. Welcome aboard. Hopefully this gets fixed soon but it s been an issue for a **long** time. Some software versions are better than others. It doesn t happen often to me but it has and it s infuriating. Bottom line with Autopilot always be ready for anything. It works great 99% of the time but that 1% will ruin your underwear. | Evening + Bridge + Shadow + AP = \\~5% it slams on the brakes. (ghosts man) Unfortunately the software thinks something is immediately in-front of the car or that it s about to hit something in front of you so it slams on the brakes. Usually it will only happen at the same bridge there is one near me that it happens about 5% of the time at so I m always prepared with on the accelerator to override it. AP is a give and take and even though AP has scared myself a few times I trust it during my drives to activate it. | 142 | 15 | 7,183 |
hgg1jz | 1,137 | The Tesla service department in Scottsdale AZ cracked my windshield during service and acted like it didn t happen. I m a nomadic traveler that s put 70k miles on my model 3 in a year. After selling all my possessions all I have is this car and what s in it. I ve been to every state in this country except Alaska and Hawaii with it. It s an exceptional vehicle. I take it on very rough roads often and the bottom got beat up. The AC stopped functioning and dirt from dirt roads started blasting into the cabin. I was in AZ at the time and so I drove two hours to Scottsdale to have it fixed. $2300 later I am told my car is fixed. I go to pick it up and everything seems in order. The people at the front say all the standard stuff. I go to my car and I see a MASSIVE crack in the windshield. I immediately go inside and ask what happened and I m met with awkward smirks and evasion. They eventually try and claim the crack was already there. I show them a picture of the car immediately prior to service showing no such crack. I ask to see the pictures prior to them doing service and sure enough they show no damage. The service guy tells me there is nothing they can do. I ask to see the service manager. After waiting for 30 minutes he comes out and continues to give the run around. I trusted these people to fix my car and it comes back with a clearly broken windshield and no one has the integrity to do right by me. We walk out to the car and I show them the clear crack. Listen this crack is in the middle of the windshield and it travels halfway up it. It s gigantic. They try to claim it was an impact on the drive there. I have two other impacts both heavy impacts but well contained on the edges of the windshield I run my finger on them. Both have impact impressions. I run my finger on the new impact -- absolutely nothing. Completely smooth on the outside. They tell me then that a technician noticed the damage and that when lifting the dash it can put pressure on the windshield. Suddenly the story shifts and they admit some of it finally. I ask for a compromise in them sharing costs. After some haggling they offer a $250 service credit. A windshield costs over $1500 to replace so that s useless. I don t care about the price. I care about how dishonest and deceptive they were. I care about them not even mentioning it to me when it happened and acting like they didn t do anything. To the Scottsdale management team: you are slimy scum and should be ashamed of yourselves for taunting such a wonderful brand. I don t want anything besides sharing this story. Curious it other people have had similar issues. It d be nice if Tesla did the right thing and fixed my windshield but their service arm seems to be following the same scummy practices as other orgs. Edit: I ll post pics tomorrow been driving all day. I have before during and I ll show what it looks like now. I also have a text from service referring to the windshield incident. To people saying it was pre-stressed: nah. I ll show the chips that were there and the crack. It s pretty obvious. To people saying it s heat and such: okay it s a long shot but sure. Then why didn t they tell me immediately? Why the run around? I should have gotten a text from them right when the tech saw the damage explaining the situation apologizing and at the very least giving me a quote for replacement. Instead they would have just let me drive off if I hadn t noticed it and they admitted to the tech seeing the damage AND there are pics of it without damage at the beginning of their repairs. That s slimy any way you shave it. To people suggesting small claims and stuff: I travel and live in the woods to escape all this bullshit. I d rather eat it and go on a hike in the Grand Canyon and get away from all this paperwork. Just wanted to vent my frustration. On the windshield cost: when I took it into Safelite a few months ago for the chips I have for repair they said they d need to replace the windshield and it d cost $1500. The chips were on the sides and didn t obstruct my view so I didn t do it. That s where the cost came from. My insurance has a $500 deductible for the repair and using it will raise my rates monthly by like $30 so I was planning on driving with chips for as long as possible.. never expected the service department of all places to make such a substantial crack obstructing my view with all the dicey spots I take this thing. Thanks for the insights and suggestions. | Wow. I always have to sign something noting any damage when I drop the car off. Did they not do that? | It is frustrated but it is not Tesla-only kind of thing. My coworker has a brandnew Lexus. It was in a shop to fix the hatch due to an accident. When she got the car back they broke her windshield. And they lied it was already broken when they got the car. However she took pictures around the car on the day she brought it in. Finally they had to fix it. You should press them harder because you have pictures of the car before service. | 288 | 22 | 7,184 |
hgg1jz | 1,137 | The Tesla service department in Scottsdale AZ cracked my windshield during service and acted like it didn t happen. I m a nomadic traveler that s put 70k miles on my model 3 in a year. After selling all my possessions all I have is this car and what s in it. I ve been to every state in this country except Alaska and Hawaii with it. It s an exceptional vehicle. I take it on very rough roads often and the bottom got beat up. The AC stopped functioning and dirt from dirt roads started blasting into the cabin. I was in AZ at the time and so I drove two hours to Scottsdale to have it fixed. $2300 later I am told my car is fixed. I go to pick it up and everything seems in order. The people at the front say all the standard stuff. I go to my car and I see a MASSIVE crack in the windshield. I immediately go inside and ask what happened and I m met with awkward smirks and evasion. They eventually try and claim the crack was already there. I show them a picture of the car immediately prior to service showing no such crack. I ask to see the pictures prior to them doing service and sure enough they show no damage. The service guy tells me there is nothing they can do. I ask to see the service manager. After waiting for 30 minutes he comes out and continues to give the run around. I trusted these people to fix my car and it comes back with a clearly broken windshield and no one has the integrity to do right by me. We walk out to the car and I show them the clear crack. Listen this crack is in the middle of the windshield and it travels halfway up it. It s gigantic. They try to claim it was an impact on the drive there. I have two other impacts both heavy impacts but well contained on the edges of the windshield I run my finger on them. Both have impact impressions. I run my finger on the new impact -- absolutely nothing. Completely smooth on the outside. They tell me then that a technician noticed the damage and that when lifting the dash it can put pressure on the windshield. Suddenly the story shifts and they admit some of it finally. I ask for a compromise in them sharing costs. After some haggling they offer a $250 service credit. A windshield costs over $1500 to replace so that s useless. I don t care about the price. I care about how dishonest and deceptive they were. I care about them not even mentioning it to me when it happened and acting like they didn t do anything. To the Scottsdale management team: you are slimy scum and should be ashamed of yourselves for taunting such a wonderful brand. I don t want anything besides sharing this story. Curious it other people have had similar issues. It d be nice if Tesla did the right thing and fixed my windshield but their service arm seems to be following the same scummy practices as other orgs. Edit: I ll post pics tomorrow been driving all day. I have before during and I ll show what it looks like now. I also have a text from service referring to the windshield incident. To people saying it was pre-stressed: nah. I ll show the chips that were there and the crack. It s pretty obvious. To people saying it s heat and such: okay it s a long shot but sure. Then why didn t they tell me immediately? Why the run around? I should have gotten a text from them right when the tech saw the damage explaining the situation apologizing and at the very least giving me a quote for replacement. Instead they would have just let me drive off if I hadn t noticed it and they admitted to the tech seeing the damage AND there are pics of it without damage at the beginning of their repairs. That s slimy any way you shave it. To people suggesting small claims and stuff: I travel and live in the woods to escape all this bullshit. I d rather eat it and go on a hike in the Grand Canyon and get away from all this paperwork. Just wanted to vent my frustration. On the windshield cost: when I took it into Safelite a few months ago for the chips I have for repair they said they d need to replace the windshield and it d cost $1500. The chips were on the sides and didn t obstruct my view so I didn t do it. That s where the cost came from. My insurance has a $500 deductible for the repair and using it will raise my rates monthly by like $30 so I was planning on driving with chips for as long as possible.. never expected the service department of all places to make such a substantial crack obstructing my view with all the dicey spots I take this thing. Thanks for the insights and suggestions. | TIL it s 1500 dollars to replace a model 3 windshield. | Let s circle back to the fact you need ac work what happened | 184 | 3 | 7,185 |
hgg1jz | 1,137 | The Tesla service department in Scottsdale AZ cracked my windshield during service and acted like it didn t happen. I m a nomadic traveler that s put 70k miles on my model 3 in a year. After selling all my possessions all I have is this car and what s in it. I ve been to every state in this country except Alaska and Hawaii with it. It s an exceptional vehicle. I take it on very rough roads often and the bottom got beat up. The AC stopped functioning and dirt from dirt roads started blasting into the cabin. I was in AZ at the time and so I drove two hours to Scottsdale to have it fixed. $2300 later I am told my car is fixed. I go to pick it up and everything seems in order. The people at the front say all the standard stuff. I go to my car and I see a MASSIVE crack in the windshield. I immediately go inside and ask what happened and I m met with awkward smirks and evasion. They eventually try and claim the crack was already there. I show them a picture of the car immediately prior to service showing no such crack. I ask to see the pictures prior to them doing service and sure enough they show no damage. The service guy tells me there is nothing they can do. I ask to see the service manager. After waiting for 30 minutes he comes out and continues to give the run around. I trusted these people to fix my car and it comes back with a clearly broken windshield and no one has the integrity to do right by me. We walk out to the car and I show them the clear crack. Listen this crack is in the middle of the windshield and it travels halfway up it. It s gigantic. They try to claim it was an impact on the drive there. I have two other impacts both heavy impacts but well contained on the edges of the windshield I run my finger on them. Both have impact impressions. I run my finger on the new impact -- absolutely nothing. Completely smooth on the outside. They tell me then that a technician noticed the damage and that when lifting the dash it can put pressure on the windshield. Suddenly the story shifts and they admit some of it finally. I ask for a compromise in them sharing costs. After some haggling they offer a $250 service credit. A windshield costs over $1500 to replace so that s useless. I don t care about the price. I care about how dishonest and deceptive they were. I care about them not even mentioning it to me when it happened and acting like they didn t do anything. To the Scottsdale management team: you are slimy scum and should be ashamed of yourselves for taunting such a wonderful brand. I don t want anything besides sharing this story. Curious it other people have had similar issues. It d be nice if Tesla did the right thing and fixed my windshield but their service arm seems to be following the same scummy practices as other orgs. Edit: I ll post pics tomorrow been driving all day. I have before during and I ll show what it looks like now. I also have a text from service referring to the windshield incident. To people saying it was pre-stressed: nah. I ll show the chips that were there and the crack. It s pretty obvious. To people saying it s heat and such: okay it s a long shot but sure. Then why didn t they tell me immediately? Why the run around? I should have gotten a text from them right when the tech saw the damage explaining the situation apologizing and at the very least giving me a quote for replacement. Instead they would have just let me drive off if I hadn t noticed it and they admitted to the tech seeing the damage AND there are pics of it without damage at the beginning of their repairs. That s slimy any way you shave it. To people suggesting small claims and stuff: I travel and live in the woods to escape all this bullshit. I d rather eat it and go on a hike in the Grand Canyon and get away from all this paperwork. Just wanted to vent my frustration. On the windshield cost: when I took it into Safelite a few months ago for the chips I have for repair they said they d need to replace the windshield and it d cost $1500. The chips were on the sides and didn t obstruct my view so I didn t do it. That s where the cost came from. My insurance has a $500 deductible for the repair and using it will raise my rates monthly by like $30 so I was planning on driving with chips for as long as possible.. never expected the service department of all places to make such a substantial crack obstructing my view with all the dicey spots I take this thing. Thanks for the insights and suggestions. | TIL it s 1500 dollars to replace a model 3 windshield. | Won t your comprehensive insurance cover the windshield? If so have Tesla pay the deductible. | 184 | 9 | 7,186 |
hgozls | 40 | Improved auto-park in 2020.24.6.1 + How it can get even better A very welcome change I noticed today while using auto-park is that the car no longer considers things done when auto-park is finished. It previously used to move the seat to the Easy entry setting and you d have to wait for the chair to finish moving before you can get it in reverse to center the car within the parking spot markings. Come **2020.24.6.1** and it now waits for you to unbuckle before moving your seat to Easy Entry. It means shifting to reverse is much faster and you can quickly correct your car s location before exiting the car. What I would love to see is parking meter detection. Auto-park should then place the car such that the parking meter is right in front of the front-right corner of the car. That would make auto-park absolutely perfect for my case. | A big improvement would be to use cameras for parking spots | There are parallel spots in my city with dual meter signs. This would mean the the post could be at the front or rear and you might not want it to align to that. Being in the center of the spot would be preferred. | 53 | 5 | 7,187 |
hgtbx5 | 87 | What s the deal with strong arming customers Received a call yesterday about confirming pick up if our Model Y on Sunday 06 28. I agreed no issues there. I mentioned I want to inspect the vehicle and they tell me you can t you have accept delivery and you have 7 days or 1000 miles to return the car. Wait! I m to hand you a check for a car and I can t look at it? Really? Is this a thing with Tesla? | Check your car. Don t let some delivery shitbag pressure you into accepting anything you don t want. | I got a VIN number yesterday (a Friday) and a few hours later they told me I needed to send a picture of a check from my financer and a tracking number within 24 hours or lose my place in line and VIN which I had already paid to insure since I was asked to. It looks like I ll probably be able to make it work thanks to my lender being very cooperative on unreasonably short notice but still. | 42 | 4 | 7,188 |
hgtbx5 | 87 | What s the deal with strong arming customers Received a call yesterday about confirming pick up if our Model Y on Sunday 06 28. I agreed no issues there. I mentioned I want to inspect the vehicle and they tell me you can t you have accept delivery and you have 7 days or 1000 miles to return the car. Wait! I m to hand you a check for a car and I can t look at it? Really? Is this a thing with Tesla? | Check your car. Don t let some delivery shitbag pressure you into accepting anything you don t want. | I think what they tried to say is that whatever you find they won t fix it right away like fix while you wait. | 42 | 5 | 7,189 |
hgtbx5 | 87 | What s the deal with strong arming customers Received a call yesterday about confirming pick up if our Model Y on Sunday 06 28. I agreed no issues there. I mentioned I want to inspect the vehicle and they tell me you can t you have accept delivery and you have 7 days or 1000 miles to return the car. Wait! I m to hand you a check for a car and I can t look at it? Really? Is this a thing with Tesla? | Check your car. Don t let some delivery shitbag pressure you into accepting anything you don t want. | Not a thing with Tesla generally... Might be a thing with covid touchless deliveries? | 42 | 13 | 7,190 |
hhhumt | 171 | Ordered a model 3 yesterday and it s ready tomorrow at 2am So yesterday I ordered a model 3 and it said the estimate time was 8-12 weeks. Today I get 4 emails about finishing my checklist and loan agreement and then I notice my delivery time is 2AM at the Fremont delivery hub. This has to be a mistake right? Nobody at Tesla is picking up my call but it is still before 10am | End of quarter allocating cars based on who can pick them up. Enjoy the free year of super charging. Bring a flashlight. | The time is an error on the website. If your car truly is ready for pickup one of the emails will tell you that the car won t be ready until money and insurance are in place. At that point they will text you when you can pickup. | 173 | 9 | 7,191 |
hhhumt | 171 | Ordered a model 3 yesterday and it s ready tomorrow at 2am So yesterday I ordered a model 3 and it said the estimate time was 8-12 weeks. Today I get 4 emails about finishing my checklist and loan agreement and then I notice my delivery time is 2AM at the Fremont delivery hub. This has to be a mistake right? Nobody at Tesla is picking up my call but it is still before 10am | Update: they sent me an email that the 2am is a placeholder and I have 24hrs to receive the car starting tomorrow | Maybe maybe not. | 42 | 2 | 7,192 |
hhhumt | 171 | Ordered a model 3 yesterday and it s ready tomorrow at 2am So yesterday I ordered a model 3 and it said the estimate time was 8-12 weeks. Today I get 4 emails about finishing my checklist and loan agreement and then I notice my delivery time is 2AM at the Fremont delivery hub. This has to be a mistake right? Nobody at Tesla is picking up my call but it is still before 10am | To ensure freshness every car coming out of the factory the next couple of days has a sell by date of 6 30. | Maybe maybe not. | 39 | 2 | 7,193 |
hhj1sa | 87 | TIL adjusting the volume also counts as slight turning force for Autosteer. Today I accidentally discovered that adjusting the volume with the left scroll wheel is enough to let the car know you re paying attention without having to apply any turning force during autosteer. I m not sure if this is a bug but it makes perfect sense the way it works now and I like this option. I just click the volume up or down one notch when I get the nag from the car. | you must be new here.... the right side knob does it too. It has been like this for at least a year since ive owned my car | Yeah I recently noticed that with scrolling the right button up down too and changing to max speed. I definitely prefer them over turning the wheel a bit. | 46 | 7 | 7,194 |
hhj1sa | 87 | TIL adjusting the volume also counts as slight turning force for Autosteer. Today I accidentally discovered that adjusting the volume with the left scroll wheel is enough to let the car know you re paying attention without having to apply any turning force during autosteer. I m not sure if this is a bug but it makes perfect sense the way it works now and I like this option. I just click the volume up or down one notch when I get the nag from the car. | \\*Only in the US. | Yeah I recently noticed that with scrolling the right button up down too and changing to max speed. I definitely prefer them over turning the wheel a bit. | 39 | 7 | 7,195 |
hhj6ad | 120 | How would you change the Tesla user interface? Submit your ideas photoshops here! With u TheKobayashiMoron s post [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hhi5g7 navigation_directions_should_take_up_this_blank ) it made me wonder what others could come up with to give Tesla ideas on how to make the interfaces better. Keep in mind horizontal and vertical screens. We know Tesla is paying attention so I figured let s throw some ideas their way. **How would you enhance the interface?** Edit: [Throwing my thoughts in](https: i.imgur.com 4UDQQyy.jpg) Edit 2: Also heard that the Tesla UI team will be watching this thread! | It would be cool if the right and left blindspot cameras show up in the card notification section when activating their respective indicators. | Can we please get an updated Tesla app interface it s horrible UI UX | 88 | 13 | 7,196 |
hhj6ad | 120 | How would you change the Tesla user interface? Submit your ideas photoshops here! With u TheKobayashiMoron s post [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hhi5g7 navigation_directions_should_take_up_this_blank ) it made me wonder what others could come up with to give Tesla ideas on how to make the interfaces better. Keep in mind horizontal and vertical screens. We know Tesla is paying attention so I figured let s throw some ideas their way. **How would you enhance the interface?** Edit: [Throwing my thoughts in](https: i.imgur.com 4UDQQyy.jpg) Edit 2: Also heard that the Tesla UI team will be watching this thread! | It would be cool if the right and left blindspot cameras show up in the card notification section when activating their respective indicators. | Kind of a stupid idea but have the option to change your vehicle icon color on the screen. Similar to how you can change your rims type. Useful for people who have their Tesla wrapped. | 88 | 19 | 7,197 |
hhj6ad | 120 | How would you change the Tesla user interface? Submit your ideas photoshops here! With u TheKobayashiMoron s post [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments hhi5g7 navigation_directions_should_take_up_this_blank ) it made me wonder what others could come up with to give Tesla ideas on how to make the interfaces better. Keep in mind horizontal and vertical screens. We know Tesla is paying attention so I figured let s throw some ideas their way. **How would you enhance the interface?** Edit: [Throwing my thoughts in](https: i.imgur.com 4UDQQyy.jpg) Edit 2: Also heard that the Tesla UI team will be watching this thread! | It would be cool if the right and left blindspot cameras show up in the card notification section when activating their respective indicators. | For my model 3 I would: \\- Have a physical interface on the left stalk for the wipers. The auto wipers aren t very good at all at times and when you hit a sudden down pour the last thing I want to be doing is fiddling with the touchscreen. Have a sensitivity setting on the auto wipers as well. \\- Have a setting such that the TACC always defaults to the current speed. \\- Be able to show battery % AND estimated range at the same time | 88 | 24 | 7,198 |
hhrn99 | 284 | Some thoughts after a 3 700 mile road trip in my Model 3 I recently did a road trip from the SF Bay Area to Kansas with my mom in my Tesla Model 3 LR RWD. In the spirit of [Elon s request for constructive criticism](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1274522648236765184?s=20) I listed out some thoughts I noted during the trip. I ll preface this by saying I m a huge Tesla fanboy and have owned the car for almost two years so hopefully the r Tesla Redditors don t rip me to shreds… Maybe a Tesla engineer will see this and can make some suggestions at their next team meeting! **General** * Approximately 3 700 miles round trip * Charged exclusively using superchargers * Total charge cost was $176.52 (\\~4.8 cents per mile) **Software** * **Don t auto-lock doors on walk away with passengers in the car.** When stopping to charge my mom would sometimes stay in the passenger seat while I went to go use the restroom. I took my phone so the car auto-locked after I left. If she opened the door before I came back the alarm would go off. I started leaving my keycard on the center console but that didn t seem to help. * **Rear seatbelt warning should remain off for the trip after dismissing.** Sometimes we d put something heavy in the backseat that apparently was near the seatbelt warning weight threshold. I would dismiss the rear seatbelt warning at the beginning of the drive but if we went over bumps it would sometimes trigger again. Perhaps there should be an option to turn this off entirely (I never have people in my backseat). * **Range estimate should be smarter.** We drove on interstates where the speed limit was between 70-80 mph. There were two of us in the car and the trunk was full of bags which increased our weight. It was also \\~80-90F outside so we ran the AC the whole time. The superchargers generally had me charge such that I would arrive with \\~15% battery at the next supercharger but as a precaution I would stay plugged in until it showed \\~20%. Over two hours of driving the estimated arrival charge almost always dropped from \\~20% to around 10%. I get that the car might make this mistake on the first leg since it s not used to the weight speed or temperature but it should use the prior leg efficiency to estimate the next leg. It was not fun constantly eyeing the estimated arrival charge. One time we even had to slow down to 65 mph in a 75 mph and turn off the AC because the estimated arrival charge dropped to 3%. The car could get really smart if it estimated (i) the loaded weight based on power needed to get to a certain speed and (ii) the need for AC along the drive based on the ambient air temperature. **Hardware** * **More 250-kW superchargers.** This one is obvious and I know will come with time but during the whole 3 700 mile trip along the interstate we used only one 250-kW charger. The rest were 150-kW. I know resources are super tight and probably smarter for Tesla to build new superchargers where needed rather than upgrade old 150-kW superchargers but one can dream... * **Better supercharger locations.** I m not sure how Tesla determines where to place the superchargers but they often are not that close to restaurants or stores. I found that many were located behind hotels which doesn t make much sense to me since nobody would leave a Tesla plugged in overnight. If it were below 32F or above 100F it would actually be pretty tough for a family to walk to a restaurant or bathroom based on the location of many of the superchargers we stopped at. **Autopilot** * **Move over more for big trucks.** I know Autopilot apparently gained the ability to hug the opposite side of the lane when passing semi trucks \\[[https: insideevs.com news 375668 video-tesla-autopilot-v10-large-trucks ](https: insideevs.com news 375668 video-tesla-autopilot-v10-large-trucks )\\] but it doesn t seem to move enough (if at all) for me. Occasionally it felt like my car would move over when passing the front of the truck but it was hard to tell if that was just because the truck was blocking the strong wind. * **Increase follow distance for big trucks** (similar to how Autopilot increases follow distance at higher speeds). I know I can manually increase the follow distance but it would nice if the car did that for me. Semi trucks need more room. Plus my car got a couple paint chips despite me trying to keep my distance. It would be really cool if Tesla could use the interior microphone to detect small rocks clinking off the hood bumper then back off a bit more. * **Don t sit in a blind spot.** I don t know what it is about human nature but I found that people tended to “hang” with me on lonesome highways. I had Autopilot set to a consistent speed but as I passed somebody sometimes they would speed up so I was in their blind spot for a prolonged period. It would be cool if Autopilot would speed up or slow down to prevent this. * **Moving out of passing lane needs some improvement.** I really appreciate that Autopilot now seems more aggressive in getting out of the passing lane It s a pet peeve of mine when people don t move so it ll be great when all cars do this. However I found it a bit annoying when no cars were visible in my rear view mirror and I could see a car in the slow lane about a quarter mile ahead yet my car still moved into the slow lane. Not a huge deal because it would automatically pass them but it was just a constant back and forth and back and forth between lanes for hundreds of miles. The rear view camera may not be able to see far enough but if there is nobody visible in my rear view mirror the car shouldn t necessarily move over only to move back again a minute later (yes I know it s often the law to not sit in the passing lane but if nobody is even visible behind you probably not a huge deal). * **Autopilot still hugs outline of lane on turns.** Autopilot has gotten much much better at lane centering but I still find the car will hug the outline of the lane when taking a gentle turn on the highway. Over the 3 700 mile trip I had to disengage a few times because the car just got too close for comfort when passing somebody while the road curved. I think Autopilot generally tries to stay in the center of the lane but it s probably safer for it to hug the opposite side of the lane whenever passing somebody especially on curves. * **Smarter HOV lane.** This has been widely requested before on this sub but Autopilot should know how many people are in the car and whether you have a digital pass to use an express lane. Since I was with my mom I had the car set to use HOV lanes but sometimes there were paid express lanes that I didn t want to use so I had to turn off the HOV lanes in the settings each time. | You can tap the seatbelt icon in the warning and turn it into a baby car seat which will keep the warning off. | Good write-up. Glad to see others have issues that others experience. Hopefully Tesla engineers will see this and think of something. | 81 | 4 | 7,199 |
hhrn99 | 284 | Some thoughts after a 3 700 mile road trip in my Model 3 I recently did a road trip from the SF Bay Area to Kansas with my mom in my Tesla Model 3 LR RWD. In the spirit of [Elon s request for constructive criticism](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1274522648236765184?s=20) I listed out some thoughts I noted during the trip. I ll preface this by saying I m a huge Tesla fanboy and have owned the car for almost two years so hopefully the r Tesla Redditors don t rip me to shreds… Maybe a Tesla engineer will see this and can make some suggestions at their next team meeting! **General** * Approximately 3 700 miles round trip * Charged exclusively using superchargers * Total charge cost was $176.52 (\\~4.8 cents per mile) **Software** * **Don t auto-lock doors on walk away with passengers in the car.** When stopping to charge my mom would sometimes stay in the passenger seat while I went to go use the restroom. I took my phone so the car auto-locked after I left. If she opened the door before I came back the alarm would go off. I started leaving my keycard on the center console but that didn t seem to help. * **Rear seatbelt warning should remain off for the trip after dismissing.** Sometimes we d put something heavy in the backseat that apparently was near the seatbelt warning weight threshold. I would dismiss the rear seatbelt warning at the beginning of the drive but if we went over bumps it would sometimes trigger again. Perhaps there should be an option to turn this off entirely (I never have people in my backseat). * **Range estimate should be smarter.** We drove on interstates where the speed limit was between 70-80 mph. There were two of us in the car and the trunk was full of bags which increased our weight. It was also \\~80-90F outside so we ran the AC the whole time. The superchargers generally had me charge such that I would arrive with \\~15% battery at the next supercharger but as a precaution I would stay plugged in until it showed \\~20%. Over two hours of driving the estimated arrival charge almost always dropped from \\~20% to around 10%. I get that the car might make this mistake on the first leg since it s not used to the weight speed or temperature but it should use the prior leg efficiency to estimate the next leg. It was not fun constantly eyeing the estimated arrival charge. One time we even had to slow down to 65 mph in a 75 mph and turn off the AC because the estimated arrival charge dropped to 3%. The car could get really smart if it estimated (i) the loaded weight based on power needed to get to a certain speed and (ii) the need for AC along the drive based on the ambient air temperature. **Hardware** * **More 250-kW superchargers.** This one is obvious and I know will come with time but during the whole 3 700 mile trip along the interstate we used only one 250-kW charger. The rest were 150-kW. I know resources are super tight and probably smarter for Tesla to build new superchargers where needed rather than upgrade old 150-kW superchargers but one can dream... * **Better supercharger locations.** I m not sure how Tesla determines where to place the superchargers but they often are not that close to restaurants or stores. I found that many were located behind hotels which doesn t make much sense to me since nobody would leave a Tesla plugged in overnight. If it were below 32F or above 100F it would actually be pretty tough for a family to walk to a restaurant or bathroom based on the location of many of the superchargers we stopped at. **Autopilot** * **Move over more for big trucks.** I know Autopilot apparently gained the ability to hug the opposite side of the lane when passing semi trucks \\[[https: insideevs.com news 375668 video-tesla-autopilot-v10-large-trucks ](https: insideevs.com news 375668 video-tesla-autopilot-v10-large-trucks )\\] but it doesn t seem to move enough (if at all) for me. Occasionally it felt like my car would move over when passing the front of the truck but it was hard to tell if that was just because the truck was blocking the strong wind. * **Increase follow distance for big trucks** (similar to how Autopilot increases follow distance at higher speeds). I know I can manually increase the follow distance but it would nice if the car did that for me. Semi trucks need more room. Plus my car got a couple paint chips despite me trying to keep my distance. It would be really cool if Tesla could use the interior microphone to detect small rocks clinking off the hood bumper then back off a bit more. * **Don t sit in a blind spot.** I don t know what it is about human nature but I found that people tended to “hang” with me on lonesome highways. I had Autopilot set to a consistent speed but as I passed somebody sometimes they would speed up so I was in their blind spot for a prolonged period. It would be cool if Autopilot would speed up or slow down to prevent this. * **Moving out of passing lane needs some improvement.** I really appreciate that Autopilot now seems more aggressive in getting out of the passing lane It s a pet peeve of mine when people don t move so it ll be great when all cars do this. However I found it a bit annoying when no cars were visible in my rear view mirror and I could see a car in the slow lane about a quarter mile ahead yet my car still moved into the slow lane. Not a huge deal because it would automatically pass them but it was just a constant back and forth and back and forth between lanes for hundreds of miles. The rear view camera may not be able to see far enough but if there is nobody visible in my rear view mirror the car shouldn t necessarily move over only to move back again a minute later (yes I know it s often the law to not sit in the passing lane but if nobody is even visible behind you probably not a huge deal). * **Autopilot still hugs outline of lane on turns.** Autopilot has gotten much much better at lane centering but I still find the car will hug the outline of the lane when taking a gentle turn on the highway. Over the 3 700 mile trip I had to disengage a few times because the car just got too close for comfort when passing somebody while the road curved. I think Autopilot generally tries to stay in the center of the lane but it s probably safer for it to hug the opposite side of the lane whenever passing somebody especially on curves. * **Smarter HOV lane.** This has been widely requested before on this sub but Autopilot should know how many people are in the car and whether you have a digital pass to use an express lane. Since I was with my mom I had the car set to use HOV lanes but sometimes there were paid express lanes that I didn t want to use so I had to turn off the HOV lanes in the settings each time. | You can tap the seatbelt icon in the warning and turn it into a baby car seat which will keep the warning off. | Agreed on AP not being great on curves. When driving on the Sea to Sky Highway in BC Canada I would always hit the brake during a curve and then re-engage as I got out of the curve. I don t think AP would slow down at all even at 110-120 km h making me nervous in case I hit a puddle or something. Regarding supercharger locations I find Canadian ones to be at great convenient locations at malls Starbucks etc. Maybe our malls here have nicer management :P | 81 | 16 | 7,200 |
hhrn99 | 284 | Some thoughts after a 3 700 mile road trip in my Model 3 I recently did a road trip from the SF Bay Area to Kansas with my mom in my Tesla Model 3 LR RWD. In the spirit of [Elon s request for constructive criticism](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1274522648236765184?s=20) I listed out some thoughts I noted during the trip. I ll preface this by saying I m a huge Tesla fanboy and have owned the car for almost two years so hopefully the r Tesla Redditors don t rip me to shreds… Maybe a Tesla engineer will see this and can make some suggestions at their next team meeting! **General** * Approximately 3 700 miles round trip * Charged exclusively using superchargers * Total charge cost was $176.52 (\\~4.8 cents per mile) **Software** * **Don t auto-lock doors on walk away with passengers in the car.** When stopping to charge my mom would sometimes stay in the passenger seat while I went to go use the restroom. I took my phone so the car auto-locked after I left. If she opened the door before I came back the alarm would go off. I started leaving my keycard on the center console but that didn t seem to help. * **Rear seatbelt warning should remain off for the trip after dismissing.** Sometimes we d put something heavy in the backseat that apparently was near the seatbelt warning weight threshold. I would dismiss the rear seatbelt warning at the beginning of the drive but if we went over bumps it would sometimes trigger again. Perhaps there should be an option to turn this off entirely (I never have people in my backseat). * **Range estimate should be smarter.** We drove on interstates where the speed limit was between 70-80 mph. There were two of us in the car and the trunk was full of bags which increased our weight. It was also \\~80-90F outside so we ran the AC the whole time. The superchargers generally had me charge such that I would arrive with \\~15% battery at the next supercharger but as a precaution I would stay plugged in until it showed \\~20%. Over two hours of driving the estimated arrival charge almost always dropped from \\~20% to around 10%. I get that the car might make this mistake on the first leg since it s not used to the weight speed or temperature but it should use the prior leg efficiency to estimate the next leg. It was not fun constantly eyeing the estimated arrival charge. One time we even had to slow down to 65 mph in a 75 mph and turn off the AC because the estimated arrival charge dropped to 3%. The car could get really smart if it estimated (i) the loaded weight based on power needed to get to a certain speed and (ii) the need for AC along the drive based on the ambient air temperature. **Hardware** * **More 250-kW superchargers.** This one is obvious and I know will come with time but during the whole 3 700 mile trip along the interstate we used only one 250-kW charger. The rest were 150-kW. I know resources are super tight and probably smarter for Tesla to build new superchargers where needed rather than upgrade old 150-kW superchargers but one can dream... * **Better supercharger locations.** I m not sure how Tesla determines where to place the superchargers but they often are not that close to restaurants or stores. I found that many were located behind hotels which doesn t make much sense to me since nobody would leave a Tesla plugged in overnight. If it were below 32F or above 100F it would actually be pretty tough for a family to walk to a restaurant or bathroom based on the location of many of the superchargers we stopped at. **Autopilot** * **Move over more for big trucks.** I know Autopilot apparently gained the ability to hug the opposite side of the lane when passing semi trucks \\[[https: insideevs.com news 375668 video-tesla-autopilot-v10-large-trucks ](https: insideevs.com news 375668 video-tesla-autopilot-v10-large-trucks )\\] but it doesn t seem to move enough (if at all) for me. Occasionally it felt like my car would move over when passing the front of the truck but it was hard to tell if that was just because the truck was blocking the strong wind. * **Increase follow distance for big trucks** (similar to how Autopilot increases follow distance at higher speeds). I know I can manually increase the follow distance but it would nice if the car did that for me. Semi trucks need more room. Plus my car got a couple paint chips despite me trying to keep my distance. It would be really cool if Tesla could use the interior microphone to detect small rocks clinking off the hood bumper then back off a bit more. * **Don t sit in a blind spot.** I don t know what it is about human nature but I found that people tended to “hang” with me on lonesome highways. I had Autopilot set to a consistent speed but as I passed somebody sometimes they would speed up so I was in their blind spot for a prolonged period. It would be cool if Autopilot would speed up or slow down to prevent this. * **Moving out of passing lane needs some improvement.** I really appreciate that Autopilot now seems more aggressive in getting out of the passing lane It s a pet peeve of mine when people don t move so it ll be great when all cars do this. However I found it a bit annoying when no cars were visible in my rear view mirror and I could see a car in the slow lane about a quarter mile ahead yet my car still moved into the slow lane. Not a huge deal because it would automatically pass them but it was just a constant back and forth and back and forth between lanes for hundreds of miles. The rear view camera may not be able to see far enough but if there is nobody visible in my rear view mirror the car shouldn t necessarily move over only to move back again a minute later (yes I know it s often the law to not sit in the passing lane but if nobody is even visible behind you probably not a huge deal). * **Autopilot still hugs outline of lane on turns.** Autopilot has gotten much much better at lane centering but I still find the car will hug the outline of the lane when taking a gentle turn on the highway. Over the 3 700 mile trip I had to disengage a few times because the car just got too close for comfort when passing somebody while the road curved. I think Autopilot generally tries to stay in the center of the lane but it s probably safer for it to hug the opposite side of the lane whenever passing somebody especially on curves. * **Smarter HOV lane.** This has been widely requested before on this sub but Autopilot should know how many people are in the car and whether you have a digital pass to use an express lane. Since I was with my mom I had the car set to use HOV lanes but sometimes there were paid express lanes that I didn t want to use so I had to turn off the HOV lanes in the settings each time. | You can tap the seatbelt icon in the warning and turn it into a baby car seat which will keep the warning off. | Dog mode will fix the alarm issue. You don t need to leave the card or key. Agree on superchargers. I guess most people would drop off the family and then the driver had to walk back 😭 | 81 | 19 | 7,201 |
hi9cml | 85 | Elon Musk calls on workers to help Tesla break even in second quarter Interesting as the stock is up on this news the market views break-even as a win with the pandemic going on. Is it OK to say these things on future outlook because they are private company emails? [https: www.theglobeandmail.com business international-business us-business article-elon-musk-calls-on-workers-to-help-tesla-break-even-in-second-quarter ?cmpid=rss& utm\\_source=dlvr.it& utm\\_medium=twitter](https: www.theglobeandmail.com business international-business us-business article-elon-musk-calls-on-workers-to-help-tesla-break-even-in-second-quarter ?cmpid=rss& utm_source=dlvr.it& utm_medium=twitter) | My company routinely shares internal only information with employees. That s why employees have blackout periods and are held to strict insider trading policies. Otherwise how would they ever do work or know what work is going to be happening? | I am waiting for my MY delivery-yesterday went to to see the local store-they re tons of cars mostly MY. Tesla employee is taking cars into service for QC and he told me that on Monday they ll deliver 80+ cars and 70+ on Tuesday=all out craziness! | 48 | 11 | 7,202 |
himuei | 84 | Last day for Enhanced Autopilot owners to buy Full Self Driving at the reduced price 3k. Hit me with your final discussion thoughts. I ve done a ton of reading and thinking about if I should pull the trigger on FSD as an Enhanced Autopilot owner. I passed over the 2k FSD update they offered awhile ago. I told myself I wouldn t buy FSD until it had a large feature set. Especially since FSD stays with the car. Tesla can t keep increasing the price because eventually it will hit a price no one will buy it for. I feel these little enticing moments they offer are to hook people in. And it works somewhat right because here we are with this post. I m on hardware 2.5 how quickly do you think this will get left behind? & #x200B Still on the fence I welcome your thoughts. I figured others in my same position could benefit as well. | I learned my lesson about early access on $50 games not paying 3k so they can deliver full functionality at some point . Working product first then money. | I bought mostly for hw3... | 71 | 39 | 7,203 |
hitdfu | 108 | Chime on Green I think it would be a very useful option to have the car chime when the light turns green when stopped at an intersection with no lead car. It seems like at least once a month I m stopped looking to the left to see when it s safe to right on red and only notice the light has turned green a good few seconds after. | You re not thinking big enough. #AUTO LAUNCH on green. ) | Or stop being distracted? | 91 | 17 | 7,204 |
hitdfu | 108 | Chime on Green I think it would be a very useful option to have the car chime when the light turns green when stopped at an intersection with no lead car. It seems like at least once a month I m stopped looking to the left to see when it s safe to right on red and only notice the light has turned green a good few seconds after. | You re not thinking big enough. #AUTO LAUNCH on green. ) | ugh. the car runs silent I don t want dings bells whistles or any other sort of audible warning other than the red screen of death | 91 | 19 | 7,205 |
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