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idj8fx | 116 | Advice needed: Rear ended on freeway after phantom breaking at 70 mph. My dad was driving his model 3 on the freeway at 70mph and the car decided to randomly slam the brakes (as it often does) while in autopilot. He was quickly rear ended on the freeway. Thankfully no one seems to be hurt. Both my dad and the other driver seem ok. The Tesla backend is pretty beat up and in for repair (don t yet know if totaled or not). There has been a lot of talk of phantom braking on this subreddit in the past and I m unsure of how to handle investigating this and ultimately who is responsible (yes the driver is always ultimately responsible but hard to argue this when the car suddenly brakes out of no where!). This happened in a no fault insurance state so there is no major issue with insurance cost coverage but obviously there is a lot of cost involved (higher premiums loss of value to the car etc). Unfortunately he did NOT have a Usb drive to record the dash cam to see exactly what happened. I spoke to roadside assistance at the time of the accident and they said the only way to access any saved images footage would be to subpoena Tesla and they would not turn anything over otherwise. My guess is that he was being tailgated so the driver didn t have time to react to his car slamming on the breaks but would love to see the logs or footage to know how this all timed out. My dad was well aware of the phantom braking and has had it happened many times in the past too but sadly his reaction time was not fast enough to avoid this collision. Not looking for blame here not looking to lift up or tear down Tesla just honestly not sure how to handle this very strange situation. I also want to make sure to spread the word to be hyper vigilant about braking episodes when driving at fast speeds as I m sure this isn t the only time someone has or will get in accident from a phantom brake application. Thoughts on where to go from here? | My assumption (and it s just that an assumption) would be that he ll be determined at fault for following too closely and failing to brake in time. You shouldn t be driving so close you don t have time to react. | Sue the guy that hit him for following to close | 131 | 13 | 7,406 |
idj8fx | 116 | Advice needed: Rear ended on freeway after phantom breaking at 70 mph. My dad was driving his model 3 on the freeway at 70mph and the car decided to randomly slam the brakes (as it often does) while in autopilot. He was quickly rear ended on the freeway. Thankfully no one seems to be hurt. Both my dad and the other driver seem ok. The Tesla backend is pretty beat up and in for repair (don t yet know if totaled or not). There has been a lot of talk of phantom braking on this subreddit in the past and I m unsure of how to handle investigating this and ultimately who is responsible (yes the driver is always ultimately responsible but hard to argue this when the car suddenly brakes out of no where!). This happened in a no fault insurance state so there is no major issue with insurance cost coverage but obviously there is a lot of cost involved (higher premiums loss of value to the car etc). Unfortunately he did NOT have a Usb drive to record the dash cam to see exactly what happened. I spoke to roadside assistance at the time of the accident and they said the only way to access any saved images footage would be to subpoena Tesla and they would not turn anything over otherwise. My guess is that he was being tailgated so the driver didn t have time to react to his car slamming on the breaks but would love to see the logs or footage to know how this all timed out. My dad was well aware of the phantom braking and has had it happened many times in the past too but sadly his reaction time was not fast enough to avoid this collision. Not looking for blame here not looking to lift up or tear down Tesla just honestly not sure how to handle this very strange situation. I also want to make sure to spread the word to be hyper vigilant about braking episodes when driving at fast speeds as I m sure this isn t the only time someone has or will get in accident from a phantom brake application. Thoughts on where to go from here? | > Not looking for blame here not looking to lift up or tear down Tesla just honestly not sure how to handle this very strange situation. Getting rear ended isn t all that strange. Automatic emergency braking isn t limited to Tesla and will be standard in most all cars by 2022. Driver wasn t following at a safe distance and rear ended your dad. They re at fault. His insurance company will sort this all out. Expecting Emergency Automatic Braking to be 100% every single time is a fools goal. If the car behind had had it too there wouldn t have been an issue at all. | Handle it exactly like you would for any other accident in your no fault state | 31 | 2 | 7,407 |
idj8fx | 116 | Advice needed: Rear ended on freeway after phantom breaking at 70 mph. My dad was driving his model 3 on the freeway at 70mph and the car decided to randomly slam the brakes (as it often does) while in autopilot. He was quickly rear ended on the freeway. Thankfully no one seems to be hurt. Both my dad and the other driver seem ok. The Tesla backend is pretty beat up and in for repair (don t yet know if totaled or not). There has been a lot of talk of phantom braking on this subreddit in the past and I m unsure of how to handle investigating this and ultimately who is responsible (yes the driver is always ultimately responsible but hard to argue this when the car suddenly brakes out of no where!). This happened in a no fault insurance state so there is no major issue with insurance cost coverage but obviously there is a lot of cost involved (higher premiums loss of value to the car etc). Unfortunately he did NOT have a Usb drive to record the dash cam to see exactly what happened. I spoke to roadside assistance at the time of the accident and they said the only way to access any saved images footage would be to subpoena Tesla and they would not turn anything over otherwise. My guess is that he was being tailgated so the driver didn t have time to react to his car slamming on the breaks but would love to see the logs or footage to know how this all timed out. My dad was well aware of the phantom braking and has had it happened many times in the past too but sadly his reaction time was not fast enough to avoid this collision. Not looking for blame here not looking to lift up or tear down Tesla just honestly not sure how to handle this very strange situation. I also want to make sure to spread the word to be hyper vigilant about braking episodes when driving at fast speeds as I m sure this isn t the only time someone has or will get in accident from a phantom brake application. Thoughts on where to go from here? | I don t want to sound like i m blaming the victim here but get your dad to install a properly formatted USB drive as soon as possible. Not having TeslaCam recordings available one is wasting an awesome free resource. | Handle it exactly like you would for any other accident in your no fault state | 28 | 2 | 7,408 |
idobnz | 165 | 2020.32.x Software Update Megathread **2020.32.2** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes Highlights**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.32.2): * Sirius XM Improvements * Tesla Powerwall Coordination * Dynamic Brake Lights (Non-US) * Car Left Open Notifications * Close Windows on Lock * Supercharger Improvements * Suspension Improvements * Notifications History * Third-Party Charging Stations Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * Teslascope - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * TeslaFi - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | I am so excited about the windows auto-closing on lock. | I like the suspension improvements.. are these for all Model 3 or select models? | 133 | 3 | 7,409 |
idobnz | 165 | 2020.32.x Software Update Megathread **2020.32.2** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes Highlights**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.32.2): * Sirius XM Improvements * Tesla Powerwall Coordination * Dynamic Brake Lights (Non-US) * Car Left Open Notifications * Close Windows on Lock * Supercharger Improvements * Suspension Improvements * Notifications History * Third-Party Charging Stations Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * Teslascope - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * TeslaFi - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | I am so excited about the windows auto-closing on lock. | Anyone know if dynamic brake lights will be working in Canada? | 133 | 9 | 7,410 |
idobnz | 165 | 2020.32.x Software Update Megathread **2020.32.2** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes Highlights**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.32.2): * Sirius XM Improvements * Tesla Powerwall Coordination * Dynamic Brake Lights (Non-US) * Car Left Open Notifications * Close Windows on Lock * Supercharger Improvements * Suspension Improvements * Notifications History * Third-Party Charging Stations Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * Teslascope - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * TeslaFi - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | I am so excited about the windows auto-closing on lock. | Dynamic brake lights? | 133 | 34 | 7,411 |
ie2uhy | 165 | Tesla is the hardest company to give money to Ordered 2x Powerwall in January 2017 while living in Colorado after almost two years waiting and endless excuses gave up and cancelled the order (EoY 2018). Fast forward to now moved to California new climate different house. I ve had Solar Roof and 3x Powerwall ($75k project) on order for a month and it s just stuck. Emails and calls to the Solar Roof number go unanswered. I can t get anyone to give me an update let alone figure out why it s not moving forward. Do they just not want our money or what? I really don t want to create a Twitter account just to @Elon to get progress. This is ridiculous they can t book revenue if they don t follow-through. UPDATE (8 22 11:15 AM PDT): waited on hold yesterday for > 1 hour at (877) 701-7652 and finally reached someone. Explained that my order had stalled and I couldn t reach my assigned project manager and wondered whether he went on vacation or something. She pulled up my order and discovered that > 2 weeks ago the permitting team asked my project manager for another photo. No one told me or passed this information along. So now I ve provided her with the requested photo. We ll see what happens. | They don t have enough batteries to make enough powerwalls to satisfy demand. It s not like they have a warehouse full of powerwalls somewhere that they can t be bothered to actually sell to people. (This comment should not be construed as a defense for poor customer service and communication.) | I had the same experience with regular Tesla solar. I gave up and went with a local company that actually knows what the term “customer service” means. | 180 | 20 | 7,412 |
ie2uhy | 165 | Tesla is the hardest company to give money to Ordered 2x Powerwall in January 2017 while living in Colorado after almost two years waiting and endless excuses gave up and cancelled the order (EoY 2018). Fast forward to now moved to California new climate different house. I ve had Solar Roof and 3x Powerwall ($75k project) on order for a month and it s just stuck. Emails and calls to the Solar Roof number go unanswered. I can t get anyone to give me an update let alone figure out why it s not moving forward. Do they just not want our money or what? I really don t want to create a Twitter account just to @Elon to get progress. This is ridiculous they can t book revenue if they don t follow-through. UPDATE (8 22 11:15 AM PDT): waited on hold yesterday for > 1 hour at (877) 701-7652 and finally reached someone. Explained that my order had stalled and I couldn t reach my assigned project manager and wondered whether he went on vacation or something. She pulled up my order and discovered that > 2 weeks ago the permitting team asked my project manager for another photo. No one told me or passed this information along. So now I ve provided her with the requested photo. We ll see what happens. | They don t have enough batteries to make enough powerwalls to satisfy demand. It s not like they have a warehouse full of powerwalls somewhere that they can t be bothered to actually sell to people. (This comment should not be construed as a defense for poor customer service and communication.) | It s worth @Elon for something like this imho. Ridiculous that Tesla is missing out on revenue because it can t line up appointments properly. | 180 | 36 | 7,413 |
ie2uhy | 165 | Tesla is the hardest company to give money to Ordered 2x Powerwall in January 2017 while living in Colorado after almost two years waiting and endless excuses gave up and cancelled the order (EoY 2018). Fast forward to now moved to California new climate different house. I ve had Solar Roof and 3x Powerwall ($75k project) on order for a month and it s just stuck. Emails and calls to the Solar Roof number go unanswered. I can t get anyone to give me an update let alone figure out why it s not moving forward. Do they just not want our money or what? I really don t want to create a Twitter account just to @Elon to get progress. This is ridiculous they can t book revenue if they don t follow-through. UPDATE (8 22 11:15 AM PDT): waited on hold yesterday for > 1 hour at (877) 701-7652 and finally reached someone. Explained that my order had stalled and I couldn t reach my assigned project manager and wondered whether he went on vacation or something. She pulled up my order and discovered that > 2 weeks ago the permitting team asked my project manager for another photo. No one told me or passed this information along. So now I ve provided her with the requested photo. We ll see what happens. | For a company that watched its stock cross 2k and now one of 8 largest cap companies in world this is so unacceptable. Their problem is they are being thrust to the top and they are not structured to be there. They don t have resources info structure nor customer service structure to handle any of the volume they ve seen. They have to go through a MASSIVE up scaling in internal structure or they will run out of good Will very quickly. | Unfortunately the demand is more than the supply which gives them less incentive to provide top notch customer service. | 57 | 4 | 7,414 |
iekane | 93 | Jeda buyers beware! I m making this post in an effort to save anyone else the frustration of dealing with Jeda. I ordered a wireless charging pad and USB hub back on June 3rd and have still not received either. I have asked for information from them three times and each time have gotten a reply that “it will be shipped this Friday or next week”. It obviously never ships. At this point I am unsure if I will ever receive a product from Jeda and hope others will avoid purchasing from them. | Jeda is the worst company in the game. Absolutely terrible customer service and many many many posts here warning people. Beware. | Had the same experience cancelled the order and got one from Taptes works like a charm! | 90 | 16 | 7,415 |
if9g99 | 130 | Tesla Insurance... Anyone else having this experience with the insurance? I reported a claim a week ago. Still have yet to be contacted by an adjuster who is always out of the office . Well they made one attempt to call me I turned around and called them right back and got a voicemail. They will not return any calls and are pretty much avoiding me at this point claiming they have talked to me. Now I cannot get a hold of anyone at the hotline. This feels like they do not want to deal with my case and will not cover the damages. They are actively avoiding me as I can call in via a different number and get someone just to be told that the adjuster is out for the day. This feels shady as fuck. edit: seems like I got the luck of the draw with that last statement. Finally got someone to answer today via my main line. I will see how this goes tomorrow. | I don t play around when it comes to insurance just file an insurance commissioner s complaint and they will make sure Tesla does the right thing http: www.insurance.ca.gov 01-consumers 101-help | Tesla has had much more success replacing people with robots computers outside their manufacturing line... Great for low cost operations but they need better processes and communications with customers when things are happening that customers need to know about. If there was a web portal that clearly stated where in the process your claim was wether it was accepted etc... You wouldn t be worried about talking to a human. | 101 | 12 | 7,416 |
if9g99 | 130 | Tesla Insurance... Anyone else having this experience with the insurance? I reported a claim a week ago. Still have yet to be contacted by an adjuster who is always out of the office . Well they made one attempt to call me I turned around and called them right back and got a voicemail. They will not return any calls and are pretty much avoiding me at this point claiming they have talked to me. Now I cannot get a hold of anyone at the hotline. This feels like they do not want to deal with my case and will not cover the damages. They are actively avoiding me as I can call in via a different number and get someone just to be told that the adjuster is out for the day. This feels shady as fuck. edit: seems like I got the luck of the draw with that last statement. Finally got someone to answer today via my main line. I will see how this goes tomorrow. | I don t play around when it comes to insurance just file an insurance commissioner s complaint and they will make sure Tesla does the right thing http: www.insurance.ca.gov 01-consumers 101-help | Call the main line not your adjuster and ask to speak to the manager. Whenever I called and my adjuster didn t pick up I would call the main line and they would connect me with the manager. You can always have your adjuster replaced if you don t like them too. Also remember they re in Georgia so try reaching them before 2pm PST | 101 | 17 | 7,417 |
if9g99 | 130 | Tesla Insurance... Anyone else having this experience with the insurance? I reported a claim a week ago. Still have yet to be contacted by an adjuster who is always out of the office . Well they made one attempt to call me I turned around and called them right back and got a voicemail. They will not return any calls and are pretty much avoiding me at this point claiming they have talked to me. Now I cannot get a hold of anyone at the hotline. This feels like they do not want to deal with my case and will not cover the damages. They are actively avoiding me as I can call in via a different number and get someone just to be told that the adjuster is out for the day. This feels shady as fuck. edit: seems like I got the luck of the draw with that last statement. Finally got someone to answer today via my main line. I will see how this goes tomorrow. | I don t play around when it comes to insurance just file an insurance commissioner s complaint and they will make sure Tesla does the right thing http: www.insurance.ca.gov 01-consumers 101-help | I had a hard enough time actually getting insurance through Tesla (they upgraded their systems and thought my license wasn t valid). Now I m hearing your horror story and rethinking my decision. The team seems pretty small. | 101 | 21 | 7,418 |
ifgljn | 108 | Don t take your Model Y on gravel roads. Long time lurker. Coming out of the shadows for a PSA. I have a 2015 85D Model S Heavy investor in TSLA (paid for both cars thanks Elon!) We purchased a Model Y to replace an old SUV. The girlfriend s parents live on a dirt road. A road we ve taken many times with the S and all other cars we ve owned. This damage is from a single trip! I kept the speed around 25mph. The picture is after cleaning the car. Every single white dot you see is a paint chip. Unbelievable. I m sure a clear bra would have mitigated most if not all of these but who knew I d basically have to wrap the whole car?? Don t make the same mistake I did. Don t buy a Model Y unless you stay in the city or get the rear doors wrapped. https: imgur.com PvzgrqD https: imgur.com xYWNDMh | Ugh. I have a Model 3 that is on its third coat of rocker panel paint for issues like this but I never even took it on a gravel road. The car is just so vulnerable because of how they designed the body and set the track. They ve got the technology down pat but they skipped the boring car stuff of making cars like body and paint. When I saw the plastic rocker panels on the Model Y I was so hopeful that all those issues were fixed :( | Are these chips on the front or rear doors? | 83 | 3 | 7,419 |
ifgljn | 108 | Don t take your Model Y on gravel roads. Long time lurker. Coming out of the shadows for a PSA. I have a 2015 85D Model S Heavy investor in TSLA (paid for both cars thanks Elon!) We purchased a Model Y to replace an old SUV. The girlfriend s parents live on a dirt road. A road we ve taken many times with the S and all other cars we ve owned. This damage is from a single trip! I kept the speed around 25mph. The picture is after cleaning the car. Every single white dot you see is a paint chip. Unbelievable. I m sure a clear bra would have mitigated most if not all of these but who knew I d basically have to wrap the whole car?? Don t make the same mistake I did. Don t buy a Model Y unless you stay in the city or get the rear doors wrapped. https: imgur.com PvzgrqD https: imgur.com xYWNDMh | Ugh. I have a Model 3 that is on its third coat of rocker panel paint for issues like this but I never even took it on a gravel road. The car is just so vulnerable because of how they designed the body and set the track. They ve got the technology down pat but they skipped the boring car stuff of making cars like body and paint. When I saw the plastic rocker panels on the Model Y I was so hopeful that all those issues were fixed :( | Yeah I remember seeing posts like these when the Model 3 came out. Then Tesla started giving and selling the All Weather Protection Kit ([https: shop.tesla.com product model-3-all-weather-protection-kits](https: shop.tesla.com product model-3-all-weather-protection-kits)). It s odd they didn t learn their lesson and start selling this kit for the Y at the get-go but it is what it is. | 83 | 12 | 7,420 |
ifgljn | 108 | Don t take your Model Y on gravel roads. Long time lurker. Coming out of the shadows for a PSA. I have a 2015 85D Model S Heavy investor in TSLA (paid for both cars thanks Elon!) We purchased a Model Y to replace an old SUV. The girlfriend s parents live on a dirt road. A road we ve taken many times with the S and all other cars we ve owned. This damage is from a single trip! I kept the speed around 25mph. The picture is after cleaning the car. Every single white dot you see is a paint chip. Unbelievable. I m sure a clear bra would have mitigated most if not all of these but who knew I d basically have to wrap the whole car?? Don t make the same mistake I did. Don t buy a Model Y unless you stay in the city or get the rear doors wrapped. https: imgur.com PvzgrqD https: imgur.com xYWNDMh | Ugh. I have a Model 3 that is on its third coat of rocker panel paint for issues like this but I never even took it on a gravel road. The car is just so vulnerable because of how they designed the body and set the track. They ve got the technology down pat but they skipped the boring car stuff of making cars like body and paint. When I saw the plastic rocker panels on the Model Y I was so hopeful that all those issues were fixed :( | Tesla should really put some protective film from the factory in those spots. The cars shape is just unfortunately designed that rocks kicked up from the front wheels will nail the panels behind. 3 has the same dumb problem but the rocks hit a different area. | 83 | 15 | 7,421 |
ifo7j2 | 40 | TACC coming in hot I love everything about AP and TACC especially for long road trips. I m curious how others react to an abrupt slow down in traffic. Do you fully trust TACC or do you manually take over and brake? For example I was on a stretch of highway this weekend going 75+mph and I could see traffic slowing ahead. I would have started to break much earlier than TACC. TACC was still powering along at 75mph. From my past experience it will quickly stop as it approaches the traffic ahead. My wife was nervous as hell so I took over. | It works very well. But I never trust it it is not ready to be trusted which is why it displays the message to be ready to take over at any moment. I watch it and it watches me. | Depends if traffic is much slower or stopped then I take over. Just for piece of mind. | 40 | 9 | 7,422 |
ifo7j2 | 40 | TACC coming in hot I love everything about AP and TACC especially for long road trips. I m curious how others react to an abrupt slow down in traffic. Do you fully trust TACC or do you manually take over and brake? For example I was on a stretch of highway this weekend going 75+mph and I could see traffic slowing ahead. I would have started to break much earlier than TACC. TACC was still powering along at 75mph. From my past experience it will quickly stop as it approaches the traffic ahead. My wife was nervous as hell so I took over. | It works very well. But I never trust it it is not ready to be trusted which is why it displays the message to be ready to take over at any moment. I watch it and it watches me. | I take over in all situations where I m going over 50 kph (30 mph) and traffic slows down far ahead. Mostly because AP starts slowing down way too late. It s not energy efficient not comfortable and less safe for cars behind me. It s not a problem when going slowly or when I m right behind a car that slows down. | 40 | 13 | 7,423 |
ifvlyt | 209 | Unpopular Opinion: I Like Chrome Trim on Teslas I have a reservation for a Model Y 7 seater and have seen several Model Y s in person already. Love the look. I have always liked Chrome Trim however and prefer the Chrome Trim of the Model 3 and other Teslas. Any thoughts on a professional service that could chrome out the Model Y s matte black? Car wraps seem common but I m not sure if there are any services that would do a Chrome Trim replacement.... General thoughts? Discussions? Edit: Model 3 s in China might be getting Chrome-delete. [Check out this article on Teslarati. ](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-china-model-3-chrome-delete ) | It looks better on some colors than others. I think Red Black and White Black look very nice. But Black Chrome looks good. And I happen to think Blue Chrome looks better than Blue Black. | In theory you could wrap the trim in a chrome-look plastic. It s the same way they do a chrome delete only the other way. | 65 | 6 | 7,424 |
ifxtl8 | 24 | Unpopular opinion? Used Model S is a much nicer car than the Model 3. Have my 2016 Model S in for an annual service. I ve had it for a few months but I don t really know the history of it and it has a slight shake at high speed and an annoying rattle knocking noise at very low speed over rough ground. So want to have it checked over and also have some minor warranty work taken care of. SC offered a Model 3 loaner or the usual Model S that I have used before so I opted for the Model 3. I had one for about a year before switching to the S so it would be good to revisit. Got home quite surprised at how harsh and noisy the Model 3 is. I know the S is quieter as I could tell that instantly the day I dropped off my Model 3 and took home my Model S but wow it s a huge difference. | You and I are almost the only ones who think so. The Model 3 is a very fine car but I strongly prefer the look and ride of the Model S. | Air suspension > Coil suspension all day | 37 | 11 | 7,425 |
ifzyyt | 259 | Carvana paid for my 2020 SR+ M3 Sold my 2019 Standard Range M3 to carvana for $34 940. It had 14 000+ miles curb rash dents scratches and tires kept leaking air. I used that to buy a brand new 2020 Standard Range Plus M3 for $34 190! EXTRA $600 to go towards accessories. No sales tax in NJ for zero emission vehicles. $5 000 rebate for new EV purchase or lease. | Caravana offered me 37 500 for my LR Prem enhanced and I sold it for $45k on onlyusedtesla in 5 days. First viewer wrote a check. | Why is there no sales tax in New Jersey? | 81 | 3 | 7,426 |
ifzyyt | 259 | Carvana paid for my 2020 SR+ M3 Sold my 2019 Standard Range M3 to carvana for $34 940. It had 14 000+ miles curb rash dents scratches and tires kept leaking air. I used that to buy a brand new 2020 Standard Range Plus M3 for $34 190! EXTRA $600 to go towards accessories. No sales tax in NJ for zero emission vehicles. $5 000 rebate for new EV purchase or lease. | Caravana offered me 37 500 for my LR Prem enhanced and I sold it for $45k on onlyusedtesla in 5 days. First viewer wrote a check. | How do are you liking the 2020 version? any differences | 81 | 6 | 7,427 |
ifzyyt | 259 | Carvana paid for my 2020 SR+ M3 Sold my 2019 Standard Range M3 to carvana for $34 940. It had 14 000+ miles curb rash dents scratches and tires kept leaking air. I used that to buy a brand new 2020 Standard Range Plus M3 for $34 190! EXTRA $600 to go towards accessories. No sales tax in NJ for zero emission vehicles. $5 000 rebate for new EV purchase or lease. | And yet I got a quote of $27k for my LR AWD+ w FSD at 32k miles from them last week. | Why is there no sales tax in New Jersey? | 66 | 3 | 7,428 |
ig1ex8 | 26 | Be real with me how bad is it to own a tesla without home charging (apartment) Everyone seems to sugar coat the elephant in the room when it comes to owning a tesla in a space where you cant plug it in everyday. I do have access to chargers within 10 minutes but they are standard ev chargers. Would i expect to wait for hours every few days? How much of a real inconvenience is this? Especially for a standard model 3 in a cold climate Edit: thanks for the honest feedback guys too many reviewers are in the honeymoon stage and are totally fine waiting around at backlogged superchargers or planning their days around charging. Seems like a wild inconvenience and it is. I m going to wait until i can get a homecharger or outlet and then pull the trigger | I wouldn t even consider getting a Tesla if you cannot charge at home overnight. | Even if you can manage you ll become very annoyed very quickly. If you can at least plug into a wall outlet it ll make things way easier especially in winter. | 102 | 10 | 7,429 |
ig1ex8 | 26 | Be real with me how bad is it to own a tesla without home charging (apartment) Everyone seems to sugar coat the elephant in the room when it comes to owning a tesla in a space where you cant plug it in everyday. I do have access to chargers within 10 minutes but they are standard ev chargers. Would i expect to wait for hours every few days? How much of a real inconvenience is this? Especially for a standard model 3 in a cold climate Edit: thanks for the honest feedback guys too many reviewers are in the honeymoon stage and are totally fine waiting around at backlogged superchargers or planning their days around charging. Seems like a wild inconvenience and it is. I m going to wait until i can get a homecharger or outlet and then pull the trigger | LR AWD 3 here. I m currently living in an apartment without charging after previously having charging in my driveway (work relocation can be a bummer). It s definitely not as convenient but it has been manageable. I m in a small New England town and I have two public charging options available within 10 minutes and a supercharger 30 minutes away. Main things to consider: - What charging options are available around your place or near your work? Are they well-reviewed on plugshare.com? Look for recent check-ins stop by a few times during the weekdays and weekends to evaluate how busy they are. - How much do you drive in a day? Will you need to charge daily? If yes can you charge overnight? Some chargers have policies against being plugged in and not charging others don t allow overnight parking at all (also note that occupying a charger you don t need is a general dick move). - What is the cost? Generally networks like ChargePoint are more expensive than charging at home but cheaper thank supercharging so it s not bad but you want to check. - How often do you need your car right away after a long trip? And what is your plan if you do? - Is there anywhere around you that would let you use a level 1 (wall) outlet overnight? - Does it get cold (40F and below) in winter? And if so will having 50% of the normal range available be sufficient? All in all I would not want to do this long-term but it has been a lot more manageable than I thought. I currently work from home 3 days a week and during those days I start my mornings with a quick drive to the nearest charger and a walk back. I pick my car up over lunch. On the weekends when I take long drives I try to either park at a location with charging (it s surprising how many parks have outlets near parking lots and how many hotels and restaurants will let you charge for a few hours while you re out and about in exchange for patronage) or hit a supercharger so that I get home with at least 30% for emergencies. Then I plug in at a local university right before bed and get the car back first thing in the morning - it works out to charging the entire time but I also always leave a note with my cell in case someone needs me to move. I ve been doing this routine for about 3 months now and I ve yet to be in a situation where I needed to go somewhere and didn t have enough range. Of course individual mileage will vary. | I have a few free charger within a mile of my house and work and an electric scooter. So I try to park there and charge and ride my scooter to work home. But I also have a regular 110v I can use at my house if it s raining or I don t feel like parking and riding. So for me its not too bad but I also like being frugal. If I had to pay for the charging I would just use the 110v at my house and it would be sufficient. | 34 | 3 | 7,430 |
igdne8 | 1,569 | Tesla Autopilot is recognising a Wrong-Way driver on a highway and is storing it as an event on hard drive. & #x200B Teslacam system seems to work work flawlessly with wrong-way drivers on a highway... Seems the Autopilot is capable to identify that a car is opposing you on a highway. A car was going the wrong way on the Autobahn in Germany but Teslacam caught it even in heavy rain as an event. An Autobahn is a German Highway system. On 70% of the German highways is absolutely no speed limit. Also the speed was not too high because of the rain. The Tesla Cam was recording an event all by itself. No honking and no pushing the screen sign had been done for recording this as an event. It was not a normal recording file on the hard drive but categorised as an event in the related folder. Daniel the Tesla driver reported this in a German Tesla enthusiast group. The file also had a red dot on the timeline exactly when the opposing car on the autobahn was traced by the autopilot system. I never heard that the autopilot is able to do this and found it noteworthy. Tried to post the link but got flagged 3 times from a bot with the link in the post. It is on Instagram and I assume this is forbidden. | https: imgur.com gallery qwLXPyJ | > An Autobahn is a German Highway system. On 70% of the German highways is absolutely no speed limit. Got a source for this? I mean I ve heard it plenty of times but when I was in Germany over 10 years ago the person I was visiting told me that most of the autobahn DOES have speed limits and they keep adding more. IIRC this person may have also told me there was only one place left where there weren t speed limits at least some of the time. Also when I saw these speed limits they were usually 120kph which isn t even that fast. | 88 | 6 | 7,431 |
igdne8 | 1,569 | Tesla Autopilot is recognising a Wrong-Way driver on a highway and is storing it as an event on hard drive. & #x200B Teslacam system seems to work work flawlessly with wrong-way drivers on a highway... Seems the Autopilot is capable to identify that a car is opposing you on a highway. A car was going the wrong way on the Autobahn in Germany but Teslacam caught it even in heavy rain as an event. An Autobahn is a German Highway system. On 70% of the German highways is absolutely no speed limit. Also the speed was not too high because of the rain. The Tesla Cam was recording an event all by itself. No honking and no pushing the screen sign had been done for recording this as an event. It was not a normal recording file on the hard drive but categorised as an event in the related folder. Daniel the Tesla driver reported this in a German Tesla enthusiast group. The file also had a red dot on the timeline exactly when the opposing car on the autobahn was traced by the autopilot system. I never heard that the autopilot is able to do this and found it noteworthy. Tried to post the link but got flagged 3 times from a bot with the link in the post. It is on Instagram and I assume this is forbidden. | In the same folder as all sentry events now is a `event.json` file that looks like this: ``` { timestamp : 2020-05-19T12:58:44 city : Bothell est_lat : 47.772 est_lon : -122.122 reason : user_interaction_dashcam_icon_tapped } ``` It d be interesting to see what their `reason` was in their event payload. | That makes sense. It s for autopilot training. Tge hardest part of autonomous driving is reacting to very very rare situations but Tesla can crowd source that. | 151 | 82 | 7,432 |
igdne8 | 1,569 | Tesla Autopilot is recognising a Wrong-Way driver on a highway and is storing it as an event on hard drive. & #x200B Teslacam system seems to work work flawlessly with wrong-way drivers on a highway... Seems the Autopilot is capable to identify that a car is opposing you on a highway. A car was going the wrong way on the Autobahn in Germany but Teslacam caught it even in heavy rain as an event. An Autobahn is a German Highway system. On 70% of the German highways is absolutely no speed limit. Also the speed was not too high because of the rain. The Tesla Cam was recording an event all by itself. No honking and no pushing the screen sign had been done for recording this as an event. It was not a normal recording file on the hard drive but categorised as an event in the related folder. Daniel the Tesla driver reported this in a German Tesla enthusiast group. The file also had a red dot on the timeline exactly when the opposing car on the autobahn was traced by the autopilot system. I never heard that the autopilot is able to do this and found it noteworthy. Tried to post the link but got flagged 3 times from a bot with the link in the post. It is on Instagram and I assume this is forbidden. | What do you want to bet that it saves it for upload to the mothership later. | > An Autobahn is a German Highway system. On 70% of the German highways is absolutely no speed limit. Got a source for this? I mean I ve heard it plenty of times but when I was in Germany over 10 years ago the person I was visiting told me that most of the autobahn DOES have speed limits and they keep adding more. IIRC this person may have also told me there was only one place left where there weren t speed limits at least some of the time. Also when I saw these speed limits they were usually 120kph which isn t even that fast. | 53 | 6 | 7,433 |
igkrtn | 41 | Yearly Tesla Maintenance Costs? I m looking at getting a Model Y or Model 3. I m curious as to what the maintenance costs look like. I m a young professional and would probably finance the last 10k so I could get self driving to save on future costs. I want to make sure I m not gonna be paying thousands each year and have trouble with that and the financing. (I would pay it off quickly) What re your thoughts? And is self driving worth it or wait until I make more money then invest in it Edit: you ve all convinced me. Can t decide on autopilot though | After two years \\~20K miles \\- Added windshield washer fluid \\- Rotated tires (myself) | Model 3 dual motor owner here. 18 months. Rotated tires. Filled windshield washer fluid. Nothing else. Yet. (Tires are wearing down pretty quickly but I also like to go fast. Car is garage kept and in covered parking at office. I do spend more to clean it than I did prior car.) | 125 | 9 | 7,434 |
igkrtn | 41 | Yearly Tesla Maintenance Costs? I m looking at getting a Model Y or Model 3. I m curious as to what the maintenance costs look like. I m a young professional and would probably finance the last 10k so I could get self driving to save on future costs. I want to make sure I m not gonna be paying thousands each year and have trouble with that and the financing. (I would pay it off quickly) What re your thoughts? And is self driving worth it or wait until I make more money then invest in it Edit: you ve all convinced me. Can t decide on autopilot though | After two years \\~20K miles \\- Added windshield washer fluid \\- Rotated tires (myself) | here is a [page i did ](https: teslaorder.blogspot.com 2020 06 tesla-maintenance-intervals.html?m=1) showing Tesla reccomwnded maintenance intervals... almost nothing :-) on my side did not took self driving not worrh it i think base AP is quite good in itself | 125 | 10 | 7,435 |
igkrtn | 41 | Yearly Tesla Maintenance Costs? I m looking at getting a Model Y or Model 3. I m curious as to what the maintenance costs look like. I m a young professional and would probably finance the last 10k so I could get self driving to save on future costs. I want to make sure I m not gonna be paying thousands each year and have trouble with that and the financing. (I would pay it off quickly) What re your thoughts? And is self driving worth it or wait until I make more money then invest in it Edit: you ve all convinced me. Can t decide on autopilot though | After two years \\~20K miles \\- Added windshield washer fluid \\- Rotated tires (myself) | Depends on how hard you hit the gas might need more tires | 125 | 12 | 7,436 |
ihylvu | 60 | Feel sad for my old fully loaded model X I just picked up my Tesla model Y on lease. I dropped of my trusty Model X but it still shows up in my app. Looks like they let the batter drain out of it and left it in some corporate parking lot. Sad that nobody gets to enjoy it like it did. https: i.imgur.com RJOTCJV.jpg https: i.imgur.com XuaBEbL.jpg | Now I m sad | Why s you switch? Own both the X is a bit bigger. | 45 | 2 | 7,437 |
ihylvu | 60 | Feel sad for my old fully loaded model X I just picked up my Tesla model Y on lease. I dropped of my trusty Model X but it still shows up in my app. Looks like they let the batter drain out of it and left it in some corporate parking lot. Sad that nobody gets to enjoy it like it did. https: i.imgur.com RJOTCJV.jpg https: i.imgur.com XuaBEbL.jpg | You can remove your X from your MyTesla account to stop being sad when seeing it neglected. | Why s you switch? Own both the X is a bit bigger. | 29 | 2 | 7,438 |
ii5u7i | 333 | 1 year as a Taxi in Spain: 12 times cheaper Spanish video. Driver says Tesla model 3 is about 0.5€-1€ 100km vs 12-13€ 100km 115cv Diesel. Purchase cost 48.000€ (60K - 21% tax) vs 20.000€ He has saved about 10.000€ over a year. Only maintenance was changing tires. Only con is the door openers for old people. [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=cRJGNaZ\\_XYg](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=cRJGNaZ_XYg) [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=qU7bbzxhqK4](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=qU7bbzxhqK4) part 2 | gas subsidy in the US is killing the air quality health issue and waste of tax payers money. Most people do not know of the subsidy and think it s cheap and drive gas diesel guzzlers vehicles-how pathetic! | he must be getting free power then as this cost would barely cover what he would pay for insurance. not sure what electricity costs in Spain but if i paid what i pay here that would cost me about 6€ 100km assuming going slow and basically only having city driving. Assuming a 6 day work week and him driving every single day hes consuming just under 60kWh a day which means he would just barely make it charging at home over night probably very little supercharger usage. overall this only seems to be worth it if you can charge for free as paying for power suddenly means you need over 6 years to break even at which point the car is probably done already having done almost 600 000km | 42 | 12 | 7,439 |
iibxve | 779 | What it costs to charge a Model 3 travelling from Maryland to Washington State and back Car - Model 3 LR RWD with 19 wheels Average temperature outside was about 80-85 degrees Tire pressure was 43 psi at 70 degrees and 48 psi when warmed up Very little extra weight and a 250 lb driver Charged for free while in Washington State at the hotel. 2 free charges at 2 campsites and a $9.80 charge at a chargepoint charger Averaged 279 Wh mi at a little over 6300 miles. Total was $350ish https: preview.redd.it cm0wlb1u6sj51.png?width=680& format=png& auto=webp& s=9950d438890119a871f9fa00ec19963b2a67743e | That s it - I m never trading in my 2016 Model X. Free supercharging for life. | Similar costs for going from Dallas to Moab. Moab to Portland. Down the Oregon coast and down to LA. Thru Las Vegas. To the Grand Canyon and back to Dallas. | 166 | 2 | 7,440 |
iibxve | 779 | What it costs to charge a Model 3 travelling from Maryland to Washington State and back Car - Model 3 LR RWD with 19 wheels Average temperature outside was about 80-85 degrees Tire pressure was 43 psi at 70 degrees and 48 psi when warmed up Very little extra weight and a 250 lb driver Charged for free while in Washington State at the hotel. 2 free charges at 2 campsites and a $9.80 charge at a chargepoint charger Averaged 279 Wh mi at a little over 6300 miles. Total was $350ish https: preview.redd.it cm0wlb1u6sj51.png?width=680& format=png& auto=webp& s=9950d438890119a871f9fa00ec19963b2a67743e | That s it - I m never trading in my 2016 Model X. Free supercharging for life. | Are any road taxes added at supercharging sites yet? | 166 | 4 | 7,441 |
iibxve | 779 | What it costs to charge a Model 3 travelling from Maryland to Washington State and back Car - Model 3 LR RWD with 19 wheels Average temperature outside was about 80-85 degrees Tire pressure was 43 psi at 70 degrees and 48 psi when warmed up Very little extra weight and a 250 lb driver Charged for free while in Washington State at the hotel. 2 free charges at 2 campsites and a $9.80 charge at a chargepoint charger Averaged 279 Wh mi at a little over 6300 miles. Total was $350ish https: preview.redd.it cm0wlb1u6sj51.png?width=680& format=png& auto=webp& s=9950d438890119a871f9fa00ec19963b2a67743e | That s it - I m never trading in my 2016 Model X. Free supercharging for life. | Lol I thought this was Maryland to Washington DC for a second. Makes sense now. | 166 | 14 | 7,442 |
iihs2o | 131 | Neuralink will let you summon your Tesla just thinking about it. ... and that s an easy one (obviously since it s connected to a phone app). Funny things from the Neuralink presentation. So much for missing buttons on the car. :) They are currently answering questions sourced from the @neuralink Twitter account. **Neuralink Progress Update Summer 2020**: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=DVvmgjBL74w& feature=youtu.be | 5 min into work: God damn it I wish I could home right now 30 seconds later: Tesla drives in God damn it.... | in 20 years. | 113 | 48 | 7,443 |
ij5vc8 | 31 | Model 3: The Good Bad and Ugly I am looking at getting a new car and a model 3 is one that I am considering. I went and test drove one and definitely love it. I m curious if there s anything that owners wish they knew before purchasing. Any hidden expenses (e.g. a wall charger) that don t come standard with the car purchase? I would be doing roughly 20k miles a year give or take. I also do not have a garage but know numerous people in my neighborhood who don t either and own Tesla s. Any issues there? If there s any info that you can think of feel free to drop it! | If you test drive it you re gonna buy it. Nothing we say will change that. You may not have a garage but have a plan for home charging. If possible get a NEMA outlet installed and use that. Don t get the Gen 3 wall connector too many issues with it right now. That s the one thing I wish I knew. I would have gotten a NEMA outlet and used the mobile charger or gotten a Gen 2 or Juicebox 48 instead of Gen 3. | While you probably get some good information here you might want to pop in to r TESLAMODEL3 too. | 58 | 9 | 7,444 |
ijlvm9 | 29 | How Close Is Full Self Driving Really? Like many of you gents I really like the idea of autonomous ride sharing. Originally Musk stated his prediction for full autonomy by 2020 (before the covid-19). That being said it would appear to me that full autonomy is still very far off and therefore so is the A-ride sharing. From people here who use the current autonomous features do you have any insight this topic? How far off do you guys really think it is? | Full meaning FULL? Meaning you can be in your driveway and put in any address and have it bring you to that location and park with absolutely no intervention in any circumstances any weather all construction and road issues taken into account? Not close. | I think current views will be changed after the rewrite if it truly is a “quantum leap” in functionality as claimed by Elon | 86 | 2 | 7,445 |
ijlvm9 | 29 | How Close Is Full Self Driving Really? Like many of you gents I really like the idea of autonomous ride sharing. Originally Musk stated his prediction for full autonomy by 2020 (before the covid-19). That being said it would appear to me that full autonomy is still very far off and therefore so is the A-ride sharing. From people here who use the current autonomous features do you have any insight this topic? How far off do you guys really think it is? | Full meaning FULL? Meaning you can be in your driveway and put in any address and have it bring you to that location and park with absolutely no intervention in any circumstances any weather all construction and road issues taken into account? Not close. | Around 10-15 years away. | 86 | 3 | 7,446 |
ijlvm9 | 29 | How Close Is Full Self Driving Really? Like many of you gents I really like the idea of autonomous ride sharing. Originally Musk stated his prediction for full autonomy by 2020 (before the covid-19). That being said it would appear to me that full autonomy is still very far off and therefore so is the A-ride sharing. From people here who use the current autonomous features do you have any insight this topic? How far off do you guys really think it is? | years. edge cases galore. | I think current views will be changed after the rewrite if it truly is a “quantum leap” in functionality as claimed by Elon | 50 | 2 | 7,447 |
ijpv80 | 29 | Tesla road trip warriors how has the transition to an electric car effected the way you take road trips? Is it annoying to stop more frequently? I m very much of the mindset to stop as little as possible but still allow myself to take a break when needed when it comes to road trips. I get the feeling though that supercharging adds a little too much time imo. Has that been anyone s experience? Seems to be one of the bigger downsides to owning a Tesla. Still very much want a Model 3 Y one day! Just curious to know peoples experiences. | I would have never even considered taking this current trip if I was in my ice car without autopilot. Charging has never been a bother or a real worry with it always being available and never getting bored with the waits. | It s the best road trip car there is. You need autopilot and NavOnAP. Also see: affects vs. effects | 64 | 15 | 7,448 |
ijpv80 | 29 | Tesla road trip warriors how has the transition to an electric car effected the way you take road trips? Is it annoying to stop more frequently? I m very much of the mindset to stop as little as possible but still allow myself to take a break when needed when it comes to road trips. I get the feeling though that supercharging adds a little too much time imo. Has that been anyone s experience? Seems to be one of the bigger downsides to owning a Tesla. Still very much want a Model 3 Y one day! Just curious to know peoples experiences. | I would have never even considered taking this current trip if I was in my ice car without autopilot. Charging has never been a bother or a real worry with it always being available and never getting bored with the waits. | Don t miss my gas car at all. Take lots of road trips. The stops go by a lot quicker than you think as they really aren t that long. The first 80% charge takes as long as the last 20%. Don t waste time trying to go to 100% at every stop. Autopilot makes long trips more enjoyable. | 64 | 16 | 7,449 |
ijydc1 | 48 | Interview a Tesla Engineer Hello I m currently taking a class where I have to conduct a short interview with an engineer. My end goal after college is to work for Tesla at an EE so I thought it d be a perfect opportunity. If anyone does know any way I can get in contact with someone at Tesla or anything like that it d be a great help. Thank you. | Nice try Russia | Perfect opportunity to make connections on LinkedIn! | 49 | 17 | 7,450 |
ik8xgw | 55 | First time owner how long to get used to driving it So I m joining the Tesla club soon and waiting for delivery of a Model Y. (Been working hard since college to get a job that gives me enough extra money each month for the car and the mortgage). I test drove a M3 last year and noticed how letting go of the accelerator causes the brakes to kick in. Does driving a Tesla inherently mean you leave your foot on the accelerator with varying amounts of pressure except for when you re coming up to a light? | Yes! It s called one pedal driving and is truly remarkable once you get used to it. Many new owners find it jarring and leave it turned off but you re losing efficiency and all of the benefits that come with regenerative braking. Force yourself to try it for at least a week- drive around some empty roads or neighborhoods and just get a feel for it. If you still don t like it go ahead and turn it off it just might not be for you. But please don t let the first day or two deter you from never using it. | Yep it s called regenerative braking which recharges the battery a bit when slowing down. There s a setting to make it closer to an ICE but you lose a key benefit in EV driving imo. It took me maybe a couple hours of driving to get used to it but it didn t take long for it to become second nature. I don t use the brakes unless I m coming to a complete stop. | 55 | 3 | 7,451 |
ike8y7 | 1,046 | I was born with epilepsy and I can t wait until the day we have FSD cars. According to my state law you have to be 6 months seizure free to obtain your license. I had first seizure at 2 months old due to a 107°F fever and I haven t been able to make it past 2 months seizure free since I was 14 years old. I ve been using Uber to get places my whole life it adds up quickly and is extremely inconvenient but you get used to it. Right now my boyfriend drives me around when he can and I m forever thankful he does that. I ve been on a cocktail of medication for 5 years that hasn t helped me stay seizure free for more than a month. Hopefully I ll be able to see an epilepsy specialist soon to talk about the possibility of surgery. **I want freedom.** I don t know what it feels like to leave the house and go to a drive thru by yourself at 3am. I don t know what it feels like to go grocery shopping alone. I don t know what it feels like to be able to drive in the drivers side with the windows down. I don t know what it s like to drive alone in the rain. I hope we are able to get fully self driving cars within my lifetime that are hopefully affordable. I have a fund I m saving for a self driving car. Especially now since I ve been hearing more experiences about people who rode in them. | My professor was impressed with a paper I wrote on a self driving car for epileptics. So he loved the idea that the car was programmed to respond to a person having a seizure while driving. Cameras are set pointing at the driver with vitals being monitored and the car in an instant can go into auto pilot once the epelictic shows a seizure coming on and drive to the nearest hospital. This was when I was first getting into tesla motors and not many students in my classroom knew about the company. The professor loved the idea. I mean I know it was obviously thought of already and perhaps the technology isn t up to the challenge yet to get it right but I hope one day something like this works. I wrote it because my little brother is epelictic and he doesn t drive and I always tell him that someday you ll be able to drive in a self driving car man . | Would you want to own one or would you want to rideshare one? Because I d imagine they d be super expensive to own (unless you buy in now which is risky of course). | 28 | 2 | 7,452 |
ikoh41 | 44 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | they lost a lot of money in general losers do not tout their losing trades | I believe that they are all in ICU for cardiac arrest. | 56 | 2 | 7,453 |
ikoh41 | 44 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | they lost a lot of money in general losers do not tout their losing trades | Good ole Gordon Johnson living in his mom s basement is still being invited onto Yahoo (who cares anyway) with his *$87* [price target](https: www.google.com amp s finance.yahoo.com amphtml news tesla-analyst-gordon-johnson-couldnt-191908418.html) LOLLLLLL ...meanwhile we bulls are rich!!!!! | 56 | 5 | 7,454 |
ikoh41 | 44 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | they lost a lot of money in general losers do not tout their losing trades | Maybe they moved on to Nikola. | 56 | 7 | 7,455 |
ikp8uv | 54 | For workers at the Tesla manufacturing company in Fremont California what is it like? What is the environment like and do you enjoy working there? Are there any benefits such as 10% off a Tesla vehicle? lol. I m a nurse and I ve been keeping up with Tesla news and automotives and would love to get closer to where the cars are made. I know they have an in house clinic so if anyone works there can you tell us something about that clinic? Thanks! | I was there for almost 6 years. The environment was pretty toxic when I left. A lot of people were just there out for themselves instead of working as a team and trying to better the company as a whole. It wasn t always like that though. I started at Tesla when they were only producing the Model S. When I first started things were pretty good (actually had good stuff in the cafeterias good lunches etc) and benefits were actually good. No perks on the Tesla cars though because Elon believed that no one is privileged to get a discount not even himself. I was working 12 hour shifts 6-7 days a week with a 45 minute lunch and (3) 15 minute breaks. I was installing the wire harnesses panoramic sunroof and a few other components on the vehicle. I was on the GA S X assembly line. A year later the Model X came and it was pretty much hell in regards with setting up the stations getting people trained up on new processes achieving the numbers etc. No surprise there as the engineers involved didn t have any clue about auto manufacturing at this scale. Around this time Tesla started to cut back on some perks as the Model X project was taking quite the toll with all the issues and also Elon wanted to start building GA3 for the Model 3. Our health benefits weren t as good as before. Also the factory had a lot of people getting injured due to the processes not being set up correctly and so they did develop an in house clinic. Model 3 came and they took some manpower from S X personnel. I stayed in S X while they were ramping Model 3 as S X still had many production issues and now with new hires that have to be trained it brought its own set of problems. I left GA S X as the management there got kinda kooky and weren t really making an effort to solve some of the production issues. I went as a technician to support Model 3 repairs from vehicles coming off the assembly line. Due to the Model 3 being a simple design the repairs were fairly quite simple. Things were starting to ramp up with Mode 3 as well so technicians were in demand to meet some of the production targets. For example breaking the record of 5 000 cars gated in one week. I was a part of that and got to sign the big poster celebrating the accomplishment. It was a big push as I seen management still factory gating cars that were incomplete. Nothing big probably a missing fastener or so but it was important to hit the 5 000 number by 6am. After that Tesla started to get really lax about QC in the factory it seems because we were receiving a lot of cars off the line with issues. And since then it became the norm to produce Model 3 s that way. The Model Y s came and even more aggressive cost cutting was apparent in regards to QC which didn t really make sense to me at the time as the Model Y was the more expensive and newer vehicle. I left during the whole COVID thing because there was a lot of changes in management then and the people getting into those positions were the same people responsible for Tesla s bad QC. It s a management more focused on the numbers. How many units were produced today? The quality doesn t matter at all. If the customer doesn t notice it. Don t bother. Personally I wasn t able to do that. We build cars that can travel 100mph not fucking toasters. | Can you tell us more about the planned roller coaster and frozen yogurt stands? Have they started construction yet? https: www.dailymail.co.uk sciencetech article-4267030 Elon-Musk-says-ll-build-roller-coaster-factory.html | 174 | 21 | 7,456 |
ikv3k6 | 157 | 2020.36 Software Update Megathread **2020.36** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes Highlights**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.36): * Green Traffic Light Chime * Speed Assist Improvements * Cruise Set Speed Improvements * 2020.36.10 - Exit Passing Lane Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * [Teslascope](https: www.teslascope.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * [TeslaFi](https: www.teslafi.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | Can confirm the speed limit sign detection works. Helps me out tremendously on my commute as there was a speed limit error on about 1 2 my commute preventing me from using autopilot effectively. | Does S X display signs? | 122 | 2 | 7,457 |
ikv3k6 | 157 | 2020.36 Software Update Megathread **2020.36** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes Highlights**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.36): * Green Traffic Light Chime * Speed Assist Improvements * Cruise Set Speed Improvements * 2020.36.10 - Exit Passing Lane Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * [Teslascope](https: www.teslascope.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * [TeslaFi](https: www.teslafi.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | Can confirm the speed limit sign detection works. Helps me out tremendously on my commute as there was a speed limit error on about 1 2 my commute preventing me from using autopilot effectively. | - Passenger airbag icon updated “whoop de doo basil” | 122 | 5 | 7,458 |
ikv3k6 | 157 | 2020.36 Software Update Megathread **2020.36** has now rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). [**Release Notes Highlights**](https: teslascope.com teslapedia software 2020.36): * Green Traffic Light Chime * Speed Assist Improvements * Cruise Set Speed Improvements * 2020.36.10 - Exit Passing Lane Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: * [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. * [Teslascope](https: www.teslascope.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. * [TeslaFi](https: www.teslafi.com) - Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Software versions may not be in order and are deployed in batches. | Can confirm the speed limit sign detection works. Helps me out tremendously on my commute as there was a speed limit error on about 1 2 my commute preventing me from using autopilot effectively. | One question: does the Speed assist improvement require purchase of the FSD package? | 122 | 20 | 7,459 |
illspd | 56 | Bought a used Model S from Carvana previous owner info still there. Hello all As the title states I just bought a Tesla from Carvana. From my understanding I can only get iOS app access once I have the registration to show proof that I own it. It s a grey 85 AP rear-facing seats and was named Magnus. Or Magnum I can t remember! I d love to do a factory reset on the computer but it looks like it is still tied to the previous owner and has there home info preferences etc. Would Tesla accept my temporary registration as proof of ownership? Could I somehow find the previous owner to transfer the account to me? Any guidance would be appreciated! EDIT: I just now noticed that when trying to do a transfer request under “Approved Documents” temporary registration is an accepted document. 🤦🏻♂️ I could ve answered my own question. Thank you all for being so helpful and kind anyway. Much appreciated! EDIT 2: I went ahead and put in a request for transfer and they did it same day which is pretty cool! After reading through on forums and on here I was expecting to wait a week! | If the previous owner s info is in there you can contact them to transfer ownership. This is the quickest way because they just log into their Tesla account and directly transfer ownership to you. https: www.tesla.com support account-support#ownership-transfers If you can t or don t want to contact them you can have Tesla add it to your Tesla account using this form. Keep in mind you may need to provide proof of registration (temporary registration is worth a try): https: www.tesla.com teslaaccount ownership account add-car In the meantime you can clear the previous owner s info from your car by doing a factory reset. From page 139 of the [Model S Manual](https: www.tesla.com sites default files model_s_owners_manual_north_america_en_us.pdf): > You can erase all personal data (saved addresses music favorites HomeLink programming etc.) and restore all customized settings to their factory defaults. This is useful when transferring ownership of Model S. Touch Controls > Service > FACTORY RESET. Before erasing Model S verifies your credentials by prompting you to enter the user name and password associated with your Tesla Account. edit: I just realized you may need the previous owners info to do a factory reset. So maybe you can t do it until Tesla transfers the car to your account. You can probably just erase change the data yourself. And you might want to turn off mobile data access from the settings menu while you wait for Tesla to transfer the car to your account. Otherwise previous owner will still be able to see & control your car. | Have you called Tesla service to ask? They might be able to help | 61 | 8 | 7,460 |
ilsa9g | 38 | Can t Decide- Model 3 or Y? Young single guy who likes the outdoors. So after placing an order for the LR AWD 3 I realized that they price dropped and the Y is now only $3 000 more. It seems to have a lot of advantages over the 3 so I took it for a test drive... And now it s definitely a really hard choice for me. I m young and don t have any kids but I do like to travel camp and I m usually the driver when going on trips with friends. I d like something I can fit a bike in since it s relatively easy with my current car s hatchback. I m also tall and appreciated the extra room. Last night I went through all the comparisons I could find and it seems like the Y is easily worth the extra cash. It also seems like besides panel gaps and paint it s been internally designed better than the 3. The heat pump might also be a big deal since it gets decently cold where I am and my daily commute is 60-70 miles. The LR 3 is already a bit above my budget but I think I d likely keep the Y for longer since it would work great as a family car. And after wanting to tint and chrome delete the 3 the price difference is more like $2k... Any thoughts? I know this is something that has been discussed before I just wanted to see if anyone else here has driven both and really prefers one over the other. I can t think of any big downsides for the Y besides being bigger and having (mostly fixable) fit & finish issues. Is the 3 big enough for camping trips and roadtrips with 3-4 adults? Thanks. | Y we do amazing camping trips in 3 but having a bit more trunk space mens you can sleep and still keep stuff in there easily. | Y | 68 | 14 | 7,461 |
imw51h | 59 | How did Tesla turn their cash flow around so fast? Hey all so Tesla has had 4 profitable quarters in row but before that they were losing money in the range of $1 billion dollars per quarter. I recall remembering Elon Musk made an announcement that with his CFO the two together would need to authorize every single transaction that went through the company and a goal to reach profitability. That s really ambitious and great but how did they close a $1b quarter deficit so freaking fast? Many thanks. | They really didn t sell the X and S in high volumes then they almost went broke making the model 3 production line. However now they are pumping out hundreds of thousands of model 3s and their underlying costs haven t been increasing as much.. They made the Y with many of the same parts and used what they learned with the 3 to do it efficiently. | Profit and cashflow are two different things. You can have non-cash revenue and expenses. | 123 | 19 | 7,462 |
imw51h | 59 | How did Tesla turn their cash flow around so fast? Hey all so Tesla has had 4 profitable quarters in row but before that they were losing money in the range of $1 billion dollars per quarter. I recall remembering Elon Musk made an announcement that with his CFO the two together would need to authorize every single transaction that went through the company and a goal to reach profitability. That s really ambitious and great but how did they close a $1b quarter deficit so freaking fast? Many thanks. | Back in 2017 and 2018 Tesla was trying to take the Model 3 from prototype to volume production in record time. Doing so requires a lot of capital expenditure. Also a lot of waste and inefficiency in the name of speed to production. They spent a lot of money and effort on things that they shouldn t have (like over automating manufacturing processes) and had to spend a lot of money to fix those mistakes. And not a lot of cash coming in yet. But once those production lines are working and Model 3 selling well that s a huge amount of cash flowing in. Yes they then needed to build up the Model Y production lines but they had all of that Model 3 revenue to help out and they judiciously put the roadster and semi production build up on hold and slowed down some other expenses like the pace of building out the supercharger network and probably a lot internal efficiencies that we don t know about. The cash brought in by Model 3 and carb credits can t be overstated. Tesla had about $12 billion in revenue for 2017 as they were slogging through “production hell” and in 2019 they had over $24 billion in revenue. As long as the cash is coming in and it keeps growing you can usually find some expenses to cut out and thereby get to cash flow positive or profitability. If with all the money and effort they spent they were not able to get to volume production with Model 3 or if no one wanted to buy the Model 3 then Tesla would have been in deep trouble for sure. | Profit and cashflow are two different things. You can have non-cash revenue and expenses. | 52 | 19 | 7,463 |
ine4m1 | 54 | The Model 3 s web browser is shamefully bad I ve tried every known work around to log into YouTube so I can hide ads via premium and nothing has worked. There s no way to clear cache and cookies. The browser chugs constantly. My complaints go on and on. I m flabbergasted that something as simple as implementing chromium seems to be so difficult for a car company that plans to sell fully self driving cars. With social distancing in place YouTube nights while charging with someone in my bubble has been saving my sanity. I m not buying an iPad when the car has a 15 full hd screen. Is there any recourse on this besides tweeting Elon screaming into the void? | it always makes me laugh that my car can display all this info on self driving etc and the GUI runs buttery smooth but the second i pull up the browser or youtube app it just goes soooo slow and glitchy | Do you have premium connectivity? There is a dedicated YouTube app that is pretty much a glorified version of the YouTube webapp. I don t really see the need for my car to have a web browser that s what my phone is for. I would kill to have Chromecast mirroring support though. | 72 | 17 | 7,464 |
inmx5c | 28 | Following-distance settings (1 - 7) I am hoping to get some help with understanding the following distance settings. I have read many previous posts and have found them to be somewhat helpful but still not answering my question. Does anyone know how these settings can be translated to following-gap in seconds . For instance how long does the car take to reach the car ahead when on setting 1 as opposed to the setting 7? Would like to know the time gap as opposed to the distance gap . Any experiences or findings on this would be super helpful. Edit:: I m specifically looking for the time gap (time it takes for your front bumper to reach the rear bumper of the car in front of you). | From the Tesla manual: ***Adjust the Following Distance*** To adjust the following distance you want to maintain between Model 3 and a vehicle traveling ahead of you press the steering wheel s right scroll button to the left or right to choose a setting from 1 (the closest following distance) to 7 (the longest following distance). ***Each setting corresponds to a time- based distance that represents how long it takes for Model 3 from its current location to reach the location of the rear bumper of the vehicle ahead of you.*** | 3 on the open road 1 in traffic. | 37 | 3 | 7,465 |
inmx5c | 28 | Following-distance settings (1 - 7) I am hoping to get some help with understanding the following distance settings. I have read many previous posts and have found them to be somewhat helpful but still not answering my question. Does anyone know how these settings can be translated to following-gap in seconds . For instance how long does the car take to reach the car ahead when on setting 1 as opposed to the setting 7? Would like to know the time gap as opposed to the distance gap . Any experiences or findings on this would be super helpful. Edit:: I m specifically looking for the time gap (time it takes for your front bumper to reach the rear bumper of the car in front of you). | From the Tesla manual: ***Adjust the Following Distance*** To adjust the following distance you want to maintain between Model 3 and a vehicle traveling ahead of you press the steering wheel s right scroll button to the left or right to choose a setting from 1 (the closest following distance) to 7 (the longest following distance). ***Each setting corresponds to a time- based distance that represents how long it takes for Model 3 from its current location to reach the location of the rear bumper of the vehicle ahead of you.*** | From what I ve seen... 7 is basically as far ahead as the car can be detected - tends to be maybe 5-6 car lengths. 1 is maybe 3 car lengths. I started off on Level 5. It s far enough away that other drivers feel it s an invitation to merge in - which is fine. I don t mind about that anyway I m not driving. But the problem I have with it is that people behind you feel like you re not following the car in front of you closely enough - like you re not trying to keep up. So they try to get around you. I ve been using 2 or 3 the last few drives and I like it a bit better. | 37 | 4 | 7,466 |
inmx5c | 28 | Following-distance settings (1 - 7) I am hoping to get some help with understanding the following distance settings. I have read many previous posts and have found them to be somewhat helpful but still not answering my question. Does anyone know how these settings can be translated to following-gap in seconds . For instance how long does the car take to reach the car ahead when on setting 1 as opposed to the setting 7? Would like to know the time gap as opposed to the distance gap . Any experiences or findings on this would be super helpful. Edit:: I m specifically looking for the time gap (time it takes for your front bumper to reach the rear bumper of the car in front of you). | From the Tesla manual: ***Adjust the Following Distance*** To adjust the following distance you want to maintain between Model 3 and a vehicle traveling ahead of you press the steering wheel s right scroll button to the left or right to choose a setting from 1 (the closest following distance) to 7 (the longest following distance). ***Each setting corresponds to a time- based distance that represents how long it takes for Model 3 from its current location to reach the location of the rear bumper of the vehicle ahead of you.*** | On my car after timing various settings with different speeds its about +0.67s for each setting. A setting of 3 results in ~2 second follow distance and setting 6 results in about ~4 second follow distance. | 37 | 4 | 7,467 |
ins5be | 89 | What is considered a lot of miles for a Tesla? Like for example 100 000 miles is a HUGE number for a Lamborghini or a Ferrari it s quite a lot for a Mercedes or BMW but it s practically nothing for a Toyota Corolla or a Lexus. I ve always been under the impression that Teslas are very reliable vehicles even approaching that of a Toyota Camry. However I saw this one YouTuber mention how a 2012 Model S that he bought had over 110 000 miles which he says is a lot for a car like that. I have the vague goal of buying a Model 3 or a used Model S in the future to use as a daily or to do food deliveries in (requires like 500-1000 miles per week of driving or \\~25-50 000 miles per year). And P.S. - does Tesla still offer unlimited mile warranties? | For me it s less about miles and more about what s changed with the car over the years. Personally I wouldn t buy an older S due to older MCU old camera tech other issues that could fail. | My 2013 received in 2014 P85 90 currently has 260 000 km s. I m on a new battery as of 2 years ago and a new drivetrain as of maybe 5 years ago. This has been the best experience of my automotive life and I ve logged almost 2 million km s since getting my license 25 years ago. | 116 | 31 | 7,468 |
ins5be | 89 | What is considered a lot of miles for a Tesla? Like for example 100 000 miles is a HUGE number for a Lamborghini or a Ferrari it s quite a lot for a Mercedes or BMW but it s practically nothing for a Toyota Corolla or a Lexus. I ve always been under the impression that Teslas are very reliable vehicles even approaching that of a Toyota Camry. However I saw this one YouTuber mention how a 2012 Model S that he bought had over 110 000 miles which he says is a lot for a car like that. I have the vague goal of buying a Model 3 or a used Model S in the future to use as a daily or to do food deliveries in (requires like 500-1000 miles per week of driving or \\~25-50 000 miles per year). And P.S. - does Tesla still offer unlimited mile warranties? | For me it s less about miles and more about what s changed with the car over the years. Personally I wouldn t buy an older S due to older MCU old camera tech other issues that could fail. | My 3 brought in July 2018 has 99K miles. No significant issues so far lol just tires replaced and brakes bleed. Go to 306 at 100% now. | 116 | 58 | 7,469 |
ins5be | 89 | What is considered a lot of miles for a Tesla? Like for example 100 000 miles is a HUGE number for a Lamborghini or a Ferrari it s quite a lot for a Mercedes or BMW but it s practically nothing for a Toyota Corolla or a Lexus. I ve always been under the impression that Teslas are very reliable vehicles even approaching that of a Toyota Camry. However I saw this one YouTuber mention how a 2012 Model S that he bought had over 110 000 miles which he says is a lot for a car like that. I have the vague goal of buying a Model 3 or a used Model S in the future to use as a daily or to do food deliveries in (requires like 500-1000 miles per week of driving or \\~25-50 000 miles per year). And P.S. - does Tesla still offer unlimited mile warranties? | The 2012 Model S is their first production consumer vehicle (excluding the limited production V1 Roadster). They ve made quite a few improvements to the motors and batteries since then and also improved many of the previously problematic pieces through updates (the roof is all-glass because the motorized sunroofs would break a lot auto-presenting handles and falcon doors were scrapped from M3 MY due to breaking a lot regen braking has gotten much better for improving brake longevity etc). So comparing the longevity of a 2012 model S to a 2020 model 3 is going to yield very different results. I would recommend a new model 3 over a used model S if your goal is to get a ton of miles out of it. | 1 mile outside warranty. | 33 | 3 | 7,470 |
int9p0 | 1,521 | In addition to Tesla no longer offering photos of used vehicles they have raised the non-refundable order fee from $100 to $500 https: www.tesla.com inventory used ms Basically what the title says. Come on Tesla! This is ridiculous! I m making this post in hopes the community can speak for itself by upvoting and have someone from Tesla see our frustrations. This is unacceptable customer service and a huge display of what Tesla is doing in terms of customer relations. I can t see myself purchasing a used Tesla from them directly anymore. I ve been planning on trading in my Audi once my warranty expires in 10k miles for a used car but it looks like I ll be purchasing privately. Shame on you Tesla! This needs to end. You re regressing in customer service. This doesn t make me happy as a shareholder or Cybertruck Reservation holder. | Tesla is playing a delicate game. There s still enough demand to keep things churning along but if the QC and service problems start making their way out into the mainstream (the same way Tesla has sold cars without traditional advertising) things could change for the worse. My wife and I were getting serious about a Model Y for example but the horrific QC turned us off for a while. Not offering photos of used vehicles is yet another red flag. | For used vehicles it s a deposit not a fee correct? | 436 | 28 | 7,471 |
int9p0 | 1,521 | In addition to Tesla no longer offering photos of used vehicles they have raised the non-refundable order fee from $100 to $500 https: www.tesla.com inventory used ms Basically what the title says. Come on Tesla! This is ridiculous! I m making this post in hopes the community can speak for itself by upvoting and have someone from Tesla see our frustrations. This is unacceptable customer service and a huge display of what Tesla is doing in terms of customer relations. I can t see myself purchasing a used Tesla from them directly anymore. I ve been planning on trading in my Audi once my warranty expires in 10k miles for a used car but it looks like I ll be purchasing privately. Shame on you Tesla! This needs to end. You re regressing in customer service. This doesn t make me happy as a shareholder or Cybertruck Reservation holder. | Let me tell a story of how this all is really user hostile. I found a used P90D last Sept on the Tesla site. I was pretty apprehensive about “buying” the car without seeing it so I called. At the time it was $1000 refundable. They encouraged me to buy it immediately and told me once it went through they d email me photos of the actual car. Keep in mind the car was at a facility less than 10km from where I was sitting. They wouldn t let me come see it. Ok I ordered it. I was put through to a lady from Texas (I am in Canada) after I ordered to assist me in the process. After a few days she send the photos and there is full on collision damage on the rear quarter panel. I ask her if Tesla is going to fix it. She says no. It s dynamically priced to take it into account. I ask if I can pay to have it fixed. “no.” I ask if I can visually inspect the damage and am told “once I sign the paperwork”. She became annoyed I was even making an issue of it. I cancelled the order as I just couldn t fathom how it make sense for any of the parties here to go through credit approvals etc. without me even knowing how bad the scratches and dent really was until the last possible moment. How on earth can have worked out better for the consumer if they aren t providing photos AND aren t refunding the deposit? | I stopped looking at the used cars how do you know what you are getting? | 392 | 2 | 7,472 |
int9p0 | 1,521 | In addition to Tesla no longer offering photos of used vehicles they have raised the non-refundable order fee from $100 to $500 https: www.tesla.com inventory used ms Basically what the title says. Come on Tesla! This is ridiculous! I m making this post in hopes the community can speak for itself by upvoting and have someone from Tesla see our frustrations. This is unacceptable customer service and a huge display of what Tesla is doing in terms of customer relations. I can t see myself purchasing a used Tesla from them directly anymore. I ve been planning on trading in my Audi once my warranty expires in 10k miles for a used car but it looks like I ll be purchasing privately. Shame on you Tesla! This needs to end. You re regressing in customer service. This doesn t make me happy as a shareholder or Cybertruck Reservation holder. | Let me tell a story of how this all is really user hostile. I found a used P90D last Sept on the Tesla site. I was pretty apprehensive about “buying” the car without seeing it so I called. At the time it was $1000 refundable. They encouraged me to buy it immediately and told me once it went through they d email me photos of the actual car. Keep in mind the car was at a facility less than 10km from where I was sitting. They wouldn t let me come see it. Ok I ordered it. I was put through to a lady from Texas (I am in Canada) after I ordered to assist me in the process. After a few days she send the photos and there is full on collision damage on the rear quarter panel. I ask her if Tesla is going to fix it. She says no. It s dynamically priced to take it into account. I ask if I can pay to have it fixed. “no.” I ask if I can visually inspect the damage and am told “once I sign the paperwork”. She became annoyed I was even making an issue of it. I cancelled the order as I just couldn t fathom how it make sense for any of the parties here to go through credit approvals etc. without me even knowing how bad the scratches and dent really was until the last possible moment. How on earth can have worked out better for the consumer if they aren t providing photos AND aren t refunding the deposit? | wtf | 392 | 3 | 7,473 |
inzuhz | 655 | Model 3 Fact-Finding - Accelerator Pedal Position vs. Torque Output (Pedal Mapping) The accelerator pedal actuation can be measured from 0% to 100% via CAN bus data and each position produces a set amount of torque and power depending on the car s current speed and power profile. Because of the single speed transmission motor torque is directly proportional to G-forces. A completely linear pedal mapping would mean 50% depression of the pedal results in 50% maximum torque and 50% of maximum G-forces but I wanted to confirm whether the mapping was linear so I captured about 2 hours of manual driving while going through various low high speeds pedal positions and binned it by Accelerator Pedal Position (0-10% 10-20% etc). The resulting plot shows the approximate pedal mapping of torque at various speeds: https: i.imgur.com 8OjhYGv.png **EDIT**: Plotted as a 3D surface: https: i.imgur.com AKZxkHJ.png **EDIT 2**: Plotted top-down: https: i.imgur.com tTheEsM.png When you step on the accelerator pedal fully (100%) from a dead stop the torque reaches peak almost instantly. Due to the relationship ***Torque * RPM = Power*** and the nature of electric motors torque stays maximum as power builds until about 75 km h in the case of the [AWD w acceleration boost](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments eczol8 model_3_awd_acceleration_boost_tested_from_0160 ) then decreases during the constant power band (75-125 km h) and decreases even more quickly as power drops at higher speeds. When fully releasing the accelerator pedal (0%) torque on the motors quickly ramps towards negative during regen braking. This negative torque stays at a steady maximum from 55 km h until about 8 km h where it then decreases linearly to 0 (in Hold mode). This results in the smooth negative G s and jerk-free transition when coming to a stop in Hold mode. In between 0% and 100% pedal travel the torque map depends on the speed. When going from 0-15 km h maintaining any specific pedal position results in decreasing torque with higher speed which allows for finer control at lower speeds. Above 15 km h the mapping gives mostly steady torque when the pedal is held steady even in the speeds above 75 km h where peak torque drops off which results in that direct linear feeling of throttle control that Teslas are known for. In the 10-20% pedal position bin the average torque trends to 0 so that holding the pedal down about 15% is equivalent to coasting. Pushing it slightly above 15% results in maintaining steady speed. Pedal positions above 70% seem to have an increasingly compressed effect on additional torque in the low speeds then merge completely as you approach about 125 km h. As a result the first 70% of pedal travel feels more sensitive and linear and the last 30% feels more squishy. This matched the expectations previously set by my butt-dyno. Chill mode (not captured here) reduces the positive torque mapping and also smooths out the torque transitions even more with the result being lower sustained G s on acceleration and less jerkiness when changing pedal positions as you d expect from such a mode. Separately setting Regen to low reduces the negative torque mapping accordingly. | r dataisbeautiful would love this. | good work! | 55 | 8 | 7,474 |
iofqw7 | 24 | What s the oldest Model X I should consider buying? Looking to potentially purchase something for my wife maybe next year. Was debating between a Y and a X. I have a model 3 currently. I am concerned with the advancement of tech that I don t want to go too far in the past if I go with the X. I was thinking 2017 would be the oldest since I see many that have the FSD package. Is that too old? Should I go with something newer or maybe just the Y since it for sure has the latest advancements? | Depends what you want. If you want space Model X. If you want agility model Y. If you want 2 displays Model X. If you want FSD features Model Y. (Model X OCT 2016 has 8 cameras but usually need hardware upgrades). If you want Captain seats Model X. If you want range Model Y (unless you pay more for a Raven X and it s not the same price). If you want a smoother ride Air suspension Model X. If you want to see the stars Model Y glass roof. If you want Falcon wing doors Model X. If you want faster road trip charging Model Y. Hope these difference help you make your decision. We ve been thinking about this for a while. Have a model S AP 2.0. Think we are passing this gen of cars and waiting for the Cybertruck to replace the mini van. Want 400+ mile range and more cargo room. | Build date of March 2018 should be the oldest you consider. Anything older will come with MCU1 which you re definitely going to want to change (US$2500). | 50 | 2 | 7,475 |
iofqw7 | 24 | What s the oldest Model X I should consider buying? Looking to potentially purchase something for my wife maybe next year. Was debating between a Y and a X. I have a model 3 currently. I am concerned with the advancement of tech that I don t want to go too far in the past if I go with the X. I was thinking 2017 would be the oldest since I see many that have the FSD package. Is that too old? Should I go with something newer or maybe just the Y since it for sure has the latest advancements? | Depends what you want. If you want space Model X. If you want agility model Y. If you want 2 displays Model X. If you want FSD features Model Y. (Model X OCT 2016 has 8 cameras but usually need hardware upgrades). If you want Captain seats Model X. If you want range Model Y (unless you pay more for a Raven X and it s not the same price). If you want a smoother ride Air suspension Model X. If you want to see the stars Model Y glass roof. If you want Falcon wing doors Model X. If you want faster road trip charging Model Y. Hope these difference help you make your decision. We ve been thinking about this for a while. Have a model S AP 2.0. Think we are passing this gen of cars and waiting for the Cybertruck to replace the mini van. Want 400+ mile range and more cargo room. | Sept. 2017 would be the absolute oldest I would get since it can be upgraded to MCU2 and HW3 with the same cameras and radar as present generation. If you want to start with MCU2 off the lot March 2018 is the oldest for that. Interestingly speaking as an owner of a Sept. 2017 MX 75D and a June 2020 MX Performance there are things I prefer about the older Model X to the latest generation. Most significantly I think the latest generation driver and front passenger seats are absolute rubbish compared to the previous generation. Also it s evident in the thickness of the carpeting and certain trim elements that Tesla was willing to sacrifice a level of quality for cost and possibly weight savings. I don t know if there is a “best” Model X but my personal favorite would be Performance right after the Raven refresh about mid to late 2019. | 50 | 3 | 7,476 |
iofqw7 | 24 | What s the oldest Model X I should consider buying? Looking to potentially purchase something for my wife maybe next year. Was debating between a Y and a X. I have a model 3 currently. I am concerned with the advancement of tech that I don t want to go too far in the past if I go with the X. I was thinking 2017 would be the oldest since I see many that have the FSD package. Is that too old? Should I go with something newer or maybe just the Y since it for sure has the latest advancements? | Depends what you want. If you want space Model X. If you want agility model Y. If you want 2 displays Model X. If you want FSD features Model Y. (Model X OCT 2016 has 8 cameras but usually need hardware upgrades). If you want Captain seats Model X. If you want range Model Y (unless you pay more for a Raven X and it s not the same price). If you want a smoother ride Air suspension Model X. If you want to see the stars Model Y glass roof. If you want Falcon wing doors Model X. If you want faster road trip charging Model Y. Hope these difference help you make your decision. We ve been thinking about this for a while. Have a model S AP 2.0. Think we are passing this gen of cars and waiting for the Cybertruck to replace the mini van. Want 400+ mile range and more cargo room. | We went through the same decision actually ordered a used 2018 X. Once wife got to compare it to a Y canceled the order immediatly. Deciding factors: Reliability Warranty Modern interior Faster Charging Speed 100% chance of MCU2. Bonus factors: Even a new Y with features she wanted was over 20k less than used X 100D | 50 | 23 | 7,477 |
iowblz | 1,127 | A fellow Redditor and I quit our jobs to work on balancing the electric grid and the future of EVs. Today we launched the cumulation of our work automatic charge scheduling for Teslas. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it ot02wi6i5yl51.png?width=483& format=png& auto=webp& s=60d239c851d2a596889f862d0ffdde032482d558 Hi TeslaMotors six months ago I met a fellow Redditor who wanted to focus on reducing global warming and encouraging people to drive electric. So we quit our jobs as software developers to focus full-time on building an app that would help. Today we proudly launched what we ve been working towards Charge Scheduling for Optiwatt [www.getoptiwatt.com](http: www.getoptiwatt.com ) a 100% free app that automatically schedules your Tesla to charge during the cheapest electricity rates and tracks your exact spending. We spent months organizing utility data so that users can automatically integrate their electricity rate schedules based on their zip code without having to dig through utility bills. Our goal is to reduce our reliance on dirty coal plants that get fired up during high demand by helping users track their consumption and automatically charge during off-peak hours. Please let us know what you think :) | Sounds cool. So if you quit your jobs and this is a free app what s your income model here? | Woah this is awesome! Look forward to giving this a shot when I get my Tesla! | 156 | 2 | 7,478 |
iowblz | 1,127 | A fellow Redditor and I quit our jobs to work on balancing the electric grid and the future of EVs. Today we launched the cumulation of our work automatic charge scheduling for Teslas. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it ot02wi6i5yl51.png?width=483& format=png& auto=webp& s=60d239c851d2a596889f862d0ffdde032482d558 Hi TeslaMotors six months ago I met a fellow Redditor who wanted to focus on reducing global warming and encouraging people to drive electric. So we quit our jobs as software developers to focus full-time on building an app that would help. Today we proudly launched what we ve been working towards Charge Scheduling for Optiwatt [www.getoptiwatt.com](http: www.getoptiwatt.com ) a 100% free app that automatically schedules your Tesla to charge during the cheapest electricity rates and tracks your exact spending. We spent months organizing utility data so that users can automatically integrate their electricity rate schedules based on their zip code without having to dig through utility bills. Our goal is to reduce our reliance on dirty coal plants that get fired up during high demand by helping users track their consumption and automatically charge during off-peak hours. Please let us know what you think :) | Sounds cool. So if you quit your jobs and this is a free app what s your income model here? | Hi! Only works in the US? Great idea! | 156 | 27 | 7,479 |
iowblz | 1,127 | A fellow Redditor and I quit our jobs to work on balancing the electric grid and the future of EVs. Today we launched the cumulation of our work automatic charge scheduling for Teslas. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it ot02wi6i5yl51.png?width=483& format=png& auto=webp& s=60d239c851d2a596889f862d0ffdde032482d558 Hi TeslaMotors six months ago I met a fellow Redditor who wanted to focus on reducing global warming and encouraging people to drive electric. So we quit our jobs as software developers to focus full-time on building an app that would help. Today we proudly launched what we ve been working towards Charge Scheduling for Optiwatt [www.getoptiwatt.com](http: www.getoptiwatt.com ) a 100% free app that automatically schedules your Tesla to charge during the cheapest electricity rates and tracks your exact spending. We spent months organizing utility data so that users can automatically integrate their electricity rate schedules based on their zip code without having to dig through utility bills. Our goal is to reduce our reliance on dirty coal plants that get fired up during high demand by helping users track their consumption and automatically charge during off-peak hours. Please let us know what you think :) | Excellent idea guys. I ll get onboard as soon as 2FA has been implemented and we have an official API. I want to be able to limit the blast radius if your data store gets compromised. | Woah this is awesome! Look forward to giving this a shot when I get my Tesla! | 47 | 2 | 7,480 |
ip7iou | 53 | Model 3 owners would you buy another why or why not? Obviously I want a Tesla so I researched Tesla on consumer affairs bloomberg and JD power and the data is ambiguous. On one hand JD power states Tesla s have more initial problems in the first 90 days than any other car brand. (https: www.jdpower.com business press-releases 2020-initial-quality-study-iqs) Bloomberg reports that of the problems reported most are cosmetic but a few are major like the center console crashing or a cracked windshield. Bloomberg also reports despite having so many issues including awful customer service most owners report extremely high satisfaction with their cars. (https: www.bloomberg.com graphics 2019-tesla-model-3-survey ) So finally I go on consumer affairs and sort by most helpful and recent almost every single review in the last year is one star. (https: www.consumeraffairs.com automotive tesla_motors.html?#sort=recent& filter=none ) What has been your experience? Would you purchase from Tesla again? | Would I get a model 3 again? No I d get a model Y. But realistically I ll be keeping my 3 and S until the cybertruck comes out. | The consumer affairs say it averages over three stars for the last year. Not sure how that many could be one star. | 104 | 6 | 7,481 |
ip7iou | 53 | Model 3 owners would you buy another why or why not? Obviously I want a Tesla so I researched Tesla on consumer affairs bloomberg and JD power and the data is ambiguous. On one hand JD power states Tesla s have more initial problems in the first 90 days than any other car brand. (https: www.jdpower.com business press-releases 2020-initial-quality-study-iqs) Bloomberg reports that of the problems reported most are cosmetic but a few are major like the center console crashing or a cracked windshield. Bloomberg also reports despite having so many issues including awful customer service most owners report extremely high satisfaction with their cars. (https: www.bloomberg.com graphics 2019-tesla-model-3-survey ) So finally I go on consumer affairs and sort by most helpful and recent almost every single review in the last year is one star. (https: www.consumeraffairs.com automotive tesla_motors.html?#sort=recent& filter=none ) What has been your experience? Would you purchase from Tesla again? | Would I get a model 3 again? No I d get a model Y. But realistically I ll be keeping my 3 and S until the cybertruck comes out. | Still in my first year and still loving it. | 104 | 8 | 7,482 |
ip7iou | 53 | Model 3 owners would you buy another why or why not? Obviously I want a Tesla so I researched Tesla on consumer affairs bloomberg and JD power and the data is ambiguous. On one hand JD power states Tesla s have more initial problems in the first 90 days than any other car brand. (https: www.jdpower.com business press-releases 2020-initial-quality-study-iqs) Bloomberg reports that of the problems reported most are cosmetic but a few are major like the center console crashing or a cracked windshield. Bloomberg also reports despite having so many issues including awful customer service most owners report extremely high satisfaction with their cars. (https: www.bloomberg.com graphics 2019-tesla-model-3-survey ) So finally I go on consumer affairs and sort by most helpful and recent almost every single review in the last year is one star. (https: www.consumeraffairs.com automotive tesla_motors.html?#sort=recent& filter=none ) What has been your experience? Would you purchase from Tesla again? | Would I get a model 3 again? No I d get a model Y. But realistically I ll be keeping my 3 and S until the cybertruck comes out. | I bought my model 3 in July of 2018 and would gladly buy another one. I did had some cosmetic issues but nothing major. I cannot see myself driving any other car at this point. There definitely could be some improvements done especially to the maps and infotainment system but the car does get better with each software update. | 104 | 21 | 7,483 |
ipr5wn | 187 | Lucid Reveal https: dreamahead.com countdown We re making this post as a central point of discussion for their event as I m sure folks will be talking about it and making many posts. Remember to be kind and try to promote positive discussion. | Cons: Exterior design price Pros: Range speed high end materials used interior design space technology great storage including frunk battery pack and motor design 2 year on the track experience with electric race cars showrooms don t look like they will be run by kids that have never owned driven a nice car I don t have much faith that Tesla can ever provide the luxury car experience that Lucid is targeting as the focus has become more about mass production of the 3 and Y. I don t have much faith that Lucid can survive if Tesla decides to make a luxury version of the Model S that would cost significantly less money than the Air. Hopefully this is the kick in the ass that Tesla needs. So sick of the poor customer service poor quality control and diminishing high end feel. | Here we go again 🙄 Let s hope this one is good. Edit: seems very Volvo Polestar. Videos are identical. Edit again: this is a Volvo Polestar ripoff. Literally Polestar had these headlights last year. | 158 | 4 | 7,484 |
ipr5wn | 187 | Lucid Reveal https: dreamahead.com countdown We re making this post as a central point of discussion for their event as I m sure folks will be talking about it and making many posts. Remember to be kind and try to promote positive discussion. | Cons: Exterior design price Pros: Range speed high end materials used interior design space technology great storage including frunk battery pack and motor design 2 year on the track experience with electric race cars showrooms don t look like they will be run by kids that have never owned driven a nice car I don t have much faith that Tesla can ever provide the luxury car experience that Lucid is targeting as the focus has become more about mass production of the 3 and Y. I don t have much faith that Lucid can survive if Tesla decides to make a luxury version of the Model S that would cost significantly less money than the Air. Hopefully this is the kick in the ass that Tesla needs. So sick of the poor customer service poor quality control and diminishing high end feel. | Me: Looks at prices : That will be a pass.... | 158 | 9 | 7,485 |
ipr5wn | 187 | Lucid Reveal https: dreamahead.com countdown We re making this post as a central point of discussion for their event as I m sure folks will be talking about it and making many posts. Remember to be kind and try to promote positive discussion. | Cons: Exterior design price Pros: Range speed high end materials used interior design space technology great storage including frunk battery pack and motor design 2 year on the track experience with electric race cars showrooms don t look like they will be run by kids that have never owned driven a nice car I don t have much faith that Tesla can ever provide the luxury car experience that Lucid is targeting as the focus has become more about mass production of the 3 and Y. I don t have much faith that Lucid can survive if Tesla decides to make a luxury version of the Model S that would cost significantly less money than the Air. Hopefully this is the kick in the ass that Tesla needs. So sick of the poor customer service poor quality control and diminishing high end feel. | They have the biggest taillights ever though. Overall a lot of talk. The only thing I can see that I like is how much testing they ve done. With a lot of testing comes a lot of fine tuning for better or worse. Curious to see when people actually get it and do their own tests. What is Lucid going to say when people complain about panel gaps paint loss of range and quirky stuff like water falling into the trunk after it rains. | 158 | 11 | 7,486 |
iq76lh | 50 | Bioweapon Filter for Bay Area Air Quality? Does anyone know if the Bioweapon filter is meant to handle the air quality problems in the bay area right now? The air quality index is 200-300 today from all the fires surrounding us. I thought this feature was neat in a theoretical way but now I m wondering how practical it really is. I m sure it helps a lot but I m mostly curious if it filters a meaningful amount of the dangerous components. | I have a PM2.5 meter and indeed it s reading around 200 outside and within minutes of enabling bioweapon defense mode the inside PM2.5 drops down to less than 10. It can t filter every poisonous gas but it s extremely effective at filtering particle matter. | Tesla made a blog post about this a couple years ago where they tested the HEPA filter against beyond hazardous air quality. https: www.tesla.com blog putting-tesla-hepa-filter-and-bioweapon-defense-mode-to-the-test If you scroll down you ll find a chart that shows how much better the air quality got inside the car once turning on bio weapon defense mode. Stay safe out there! | 92 | 25 | 7,487 |
iqbfzf | 115 | Looks like Teslafi has been blocked by Tesla I m surprised it hasn t been posted yet (I actually used the search tool) and I haven t seen anything else. I took a screenshot after editing personal info out I can t find anything else on the website other than when you re logged in so this is all I ve got. Anyone else seeing this on their account? I wonder if this is going to become the new standard not just for teslafi but for all data-collectors outside Tesla itself? https: imgur.com B22LxiU Edit: Had a thought that 2FA MFA is in the works this could be related to that or the recent phone app update. Edit2: u ialexryan had a good point someone should twitter at Elon (I m not hip enough for tweets) Edit 3: looks like Teslafi has been back online for sometime maybe 5 hours. According to comments here Tesla blocked large swaths of cloud provider IP s today. | It s not TeslaFi specific. Rather Tesla blocked connections to the API from the AWS range of IP addresses. TeslaScope was also affected and has already put together a workaround: https: twitter.com teslascope status 1304156020332085248?s=20 | Shame. I check up on it religiously while waiting for my turn to get updates. | 75 | 4 | 7,488 |
iqbfzf | 115 | Looks like Teslafi has been blocked by Tesla I m surprised it hasn t been posted yet (I actually used the search tool) and I haven t seen anything else. I took a screenshot after editing personal info out I can t find anything else on the website other than when you re logged in so this is all I ve got. Anyone else seeing this on their account? I wonder if this is going to become the new standard not just for teslafi but for all data-collectors outside Tesla itself? https: imgur.com B22LxiU Edit: Had a thought that 2FA MFA is in the works this could be related to that or the recent phone app update. Edit2: u ialexryan had a good point someone should twitter at Elon (I m not hip enough for tweets) Edit 3: looks like Teslafi has been back online for sometime maybe 5 hours. According to comments here Tesla blocked large swaths of cloud provider IP s today. | It s not TeslaFi specific. Rather Tesla blocked connections to the API from the AWS range of IP addresses. TeslaScope was also affected and has already put together a workaround: https: twitter.com teslascope status 1304156020332085248?s=20 | That s too bad... they have until my subscription renewal date to get it working... | 75 | 6 | 7,489 |
iqbfzf | 115 | Looks like Teslafi has been blocked by Tesla I m surprised it hasn t been posted yet (I actually used the search tool) and I haven t seen anything else. I took a screenshot after editing personal info out I can t find anything else on the website other than when you re logged in so this is all I ve got. Anyone else seeing this on their account? I wonder if this is going to become the new standard not just for teslafi but for all data-collectors outside Tesla itself? https: imgur.com B22LxiU Edit: Had a thought that 2FA MFA is in the works this could be related to that or the recent phone app update. Edit2: u ialexryan had a good point someone should twitter at Elon (I m not hip enough for tweets) Edit 3: looks like Teslafi has been back online for sometime maybe 5 hours. According to comments here Tesla blocked large swaths of cloud provider IP s today. | It s not TeslaFi specific. Rather Tesla blocked connections to the API from the AWS range of IP addresses. TeslaScope was also affected and has already put together a workaround: https: twitter.com teslascope status 1304156020332085248?s=20 | This is a super disappointing choice by Tesla. TeslaFi was one of my favorite parts of Tesla ownership. | 75 | 7 | 7,490 |
irvzbo | 506 | I drove the Porsche Taycan 4S for an hour and here are my thoughts on the strengths and weakness of it against all the Tesla I ve driven. Due to some luck I had a [Porsche Taycan 4S](https: i.imgur.com SBf9h1Q.jpg) all to myself for about an hour. As a big fan of both Tesla and Porsche I ve driven many of the modern Porsches and I ve driven almost all of the Tesla models (including all Performance Model S 3 X except the OG Roadster and the Model Y. I currently DD an AWD Model 3 with acceleration boost. Here are some of my thoughts on many of the aspects of the Taycan from the perspective of a long time Tesla driver. **Exterior design**: It s all subjective but I think it s one of the two best looking 4 door sedan on the planet right now EV or otherwise. Small details like the [headlights](https: www.teslarati.com wp-content uploads 2019 10 08-Headlights-of-the-Taycan-4S.jpg) just really sets it apart from the competition. **Powertrain**: The 4S is the slowest Taycan model at *only* 3.8s 0-60. But in typical Porsche fashion it s probably a little quicker than that. It launches slightly harder than my Model 3 (3.9s 0-60 according to Tesla) but definitely won t blow away anyone who s been driving any of the Performance Tesla models. One thing I both liked and disliked was the two-gear transmission. On one hand it pulls hard at speed well north of 70mph (far quicker than my Model 3 at that speed) but despite how amazing PDK is in their ICE cars that one shift just feels *jarring* in the context of an EV. It s barely noticeable but once you notice it it s hard to ignore. Additionally it doesn t regen nearly as hard as Tesla does when you lift foot off the throttle that may be jarring for some EV owners but since I often drive ICE sports cars on weekends it didn t bother me. However I prefer Tesla s implementation as far as an EV experience goes. **Handling Chassis Steering**: The unit I drove had PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) and All Wheel Steering but did not have the physics defying electromechanical anti-roll bar system. But even then it s **by far** the best handling and best steering EV I ve driven by a mile. It weights about 600lbs heavier than my Model 3 yet has less body roll far better natural steering quicker frontend response and a more compliant ride at the same time all on All Season Tires. Considering Model 3 is the most sporty model in the current Tesla lineup it s safe to say the Taycan is far ahead of any other Tesla models in terms of driving dynamics. **Interior**: Design is subjective but it s got a pretty attractive interior. Porsche has always been known to have the best *build quality* amongst all the mass production manufacturers and the Taycan is the same. A high end Porsche makes most mid-range BMW Mercedes Audi look like they are built by children in a South East Asian sweatshop and even the Ferrari 458 Italia I drove on the same weekend had worse interior build quality. Material wise it s nothing to write home about though in a typical Porsche fashion it has way too much plastic (although high quality ones) for cars of its price point. The Model S s cabin material has always been pretty decent so the gap isn t large here. **Cabin insulation**: Far quieter than my Model 3 80mph in this car on the same stretch of highway feels like 50 in my Tesla. I guess some of those extra weight went to insulation after all. **Cabin tech**: The instrument display was beautiful the curved instrument panel was striking to say the least. Tesla still has the *largest* touchscreens in the industry but these days they fall a bit behind in contrast and pixel density (Mercedes is probably the best these days). However [this center console screen](https: imgur.com ebn6F3L) was **absolutely awful** and it combines the worst of physical buttons and touch screen. It s not super responsive looks bad requires you to press down like a physical button (and in turn it has haptic feedback) and gets really hot after a while. It s just terrible. Btw Tesla really *really* need to upgrade their parking camera systems. These days [3D surround cameras](https: imgur.com OViVsEx) are pretty common on highend German cars meanwhile Tesla still doesn t offer a simple top down view in any of the cars. Some of the other stuff ranged from very useful stuff like cooled seats to gimmicks like [night vision](https: imgur.com Bo6IBLl). Porsche has always been the worst in terms of cabin tech amongst the luxury German manufacturers and the Taycan follows that tradition. It didn t even have HUD as an option (apparently the 2021 model added it). The interior tech gap between the Taycan and Model S actually isn t nearly as bad as it s between the Tesla and say.. an Audi A6. **Driver assist**: I ve never used Porsche s InnoDrive and this car didn t have it. It only had adaptive cruise control and basic lane keep assist. They worked well but again these are standard features from a new Honda Civic and Porsche still charges $1200 for it. I honestly don t know why Porsche doesn t just use Audi s driver assist system in their cars. **Range**: I drove pretty spirited during that one hour and after driving for 33 miles the expected range dropped by only 27 miles so Porsche is probably conservative in their range estimate here. Apparently despite 203mi EPA range the 4S can go [264mi non-stop traveling at 75mph on the highway](https: insideevs.com news 440424 porsche-taycan-4s-range-test-great-results ). **Conclusion**: Great car and has a bunch of typical Porsche pros and cons. The 4S is the Taycan trim I would buy if I were to buy one. But I won t be buying one since I don t have the budget to drop $130k+ for a daily driver. Even though I don t see Tesla being threatened by this car in any meaningful way it s good to see EV entering new segments in the market and I eagerly await the Model S refresh. P.S. Talking about Model S refresh I honestly don t care too much about the Plaid powertrain or whatever absurd 0-60 time it would get I want a new high quality cabin in a way that s *unique to Tesla*. The [bar is *crazy* high these days](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=_bY8EcDzg3g& t=179) in terms of interior tech and luxury I hope the new Model S plays to Tesla s strength and bring some surprisingly cool stuff. | Really nice breakdown: it s a good EV and it s everything a Porsche should be. Way to go Porsche! Couldn t agree more on your last part: who cares about PLAID? Every Tesla is already insanely fast off the line no need for an even faster version. Put that in the Roadster. Get us the best high tech & luxury everything (and more range at higher speeds of course) in our S and X. | Thanks for the detailed breakdown. It s nice to know that some of the competition out there are doing some things right. I agree probably won t threaten Tesla in a meaningful way but will hopefully encourage even more competition from Tesla! | 109 | 64 | 7,491 |
ithqdo | 44 | Driving my wifes M3P is making me hate my 18 Lincoln Navigator L. Is Tesla or any other company coming out with something to compete against Suburban Expedition Max etc? We got a 2020 M3P a few months back for my wife to replace her BMW 335GT. After doing a 1000 mile road trip vacation and normal daily driving we are really enjoying it. We didn t opt for FSD but the adaptive cruise cruise and its controls are so simple and effective on the M3P. The controls in the Navigator are so clunky and slow to react. The Navigator is no slouch at 450 hp but the turbo lag and waiting on the transmission to downshift is painful. I do love the HUD in the Navigator though. I need a big SUV though to haul our two 70+lb dogs weekend suitcase for 3 wagon full of softball gear catchers gear bag etc. for travel softball. The Y and X aren t near big enough. Any plans for a Cyber SUV? Rivian has one coming out soon but I suspect it is Tahoe sized at best from the pics. | If you truly can t live without a long wheelbase Navigator and there s just no way to manage the load there s really only one option: [https: www.proterra.com vehicles zx5-electric-bus ](https: www.proterra.com vehicles zx5-electric-bus ) Most people don t actually need \\*that\\* much vehicle or when they do it s 1% of their use but if you re the exception there s not much you can do. | Unless they announce yet another vehicle class at Battery Day 9 22 cybertruck and or a trailer for the gear is your best bet. | 38 | 3 | 7,492 |
itwdux | 371 | First look at Tesla s new battery design A confirmed leak of Tesla s upcoming Roadrunner batteries has been [released on Electrek. ](https: electrek.co 2020 09 16 tesla-battery-cell-in-house-roadrunner-first-look ) What we know so far is that the battery is tabless and has about 4 times the volume of a 21700 cell. The tabless design and larger size will simplify production and assembly of battery packs whilst the tabless design decrease internal resistance. This will hopefully allow for higher battery output and thus increase performance. Looking forward to more on Sept 22! Edit: [More pics with cover removed showing manufacturing QR codes and other markings](https: twitter.com FredericLambert status 1305937320114352128 photo 1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1305937320114352128%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3& ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Felectrek.co%2F2020%2F09%2F16%2Ftesla-battery-cell-in-house-roadrunner-first-look%2F) | This is just a soda being held by someone with comically large hands. | “Confirmed” by who? | 77 | 3 | 7,493 |
itwdux | 371 | First look at Tesla s new battery design A confirmed leak of Tesla s upcoming Roadrunner batteries has been [released on Electrek. ](https: electrek.co 2020 09 16 tesla-battery-cell-in-house-roadrunner-first-look ) What we know so far is that the battery is tabless and has about 4 times the volume of a 21700 cell. The tabless design and larger size will simplify production and assembly of battery packs whilst the tabless design decrease internal resistance. This will hopefully allow for higher battery output and thus increase performance. Looking forward to more on Sept 22! Edit: [More pics with cover removed showing manufacturing QR codes and other markings](https: twitter.com FredericLambert status 1305937320114352128 photo 1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1305937320114352128%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3& ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Felectrek.co%2F2020%2F09%2F16%2Ftesla-battery-cell-in-house-roadrunner-first-look%2F) | Too little too late. Nikola already said publicly that their cells have double the capacity can be made for half the cost and weigh only 40% as much. Of course no one has seen these cells confirmed the specs and despite all of the confirmed lies about hydrogen solar panels gas wells and trucks running under their own power... this one is true! | Not gonna lie. I ll be disappointed if battery day is about increased performance through less resistance as opposed to packing more energy into a smaller space allowing for longer range. Only because that s the barrier to entry I see for most people who have range anxiety. I might sell on this rumor. Though - would the decreased resistance also mean it would charge faster? | 68 | 2 | 7,494 |
itwdux | 371 | First look at Tesla s new battery design A confirmed leak of Tesla s upcoming Roadrunner batteries has been [released on Electrek. ](https: electrek.co 2020 09 16 tesla-battery-cell-in-house-roadrunner-first-look ) What we know so far is that the battery is tabless and has about 4 times the volume of a 21700 cell. The tabless design and larger size will simplify production and assembly of battery packs whilst the tabless design decrease internal resistance. This will hopefully allow for higher battery output and thus increase performance. Looking forward to more on Sept 22! Edit: [More pics with cover removed showing manufacturing QR codes and other markings](https: twitter.com FredericLambert status 1305937320114352128 photo 1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1305937320114352128%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3& ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Felectrek.co%2F2020%2F09%2F16%2Ftesla-battery-cell-in-house-roadrunner-first-look%2F) | Too little too late. Nikola already said publicly that their cells have double the capacity can be made for half the cost and weigh only 40% as much. Of course no one has seen these cells confirmed the specs and despite all of the confirmed lies about hydrogen solar panels gas wells and trucks running under their own power... this one is true! | Silly question but why not make it square in profile? Seems they would be loosing volumetric energy density. | 68 | 2 | 7,495 |
iu7t1p | 110 | Holy Depreciation Batman After loving my 2014 P85D for a number of years now and driving her a bunch I thought due to out of warranty and a few repair bills here and there (MCU just crapped out) it s time to trade in to a new 2021 tesla and stop sinking more $$ into my beloved S. Sticker price when I got the car after it was optioned up to the gills was $128 500. Since owning I ve been through 2 drive units and probably 8 trips to the SC for repair spending around $8k for out of warranty fixes. The car is in great cosmetic condition with normal degradation for 135k miles. Tesla emailed me the trade in offer this morning... $10k flat. Is this some sort of joke??? | Sell it yourself. It s easy and you ll make a decent amount. Trading it in is the worst way. | That s the price you pay for just trading it in. Definitely worth more on the used car market. Tesla doesn t want your 6 year old S. You should be able to get ~~$40k+~~ more on the open market. Try Carvana etc. Edit: Insanity corrected. | 175 | 17 | 7,496 |
iu7t1p | 110 | Holy Depreciation Batman After loving my 2014 P85D for a number of years now and driving her a bunch I thought due to out of warranty and a few repair bills here and there (MCU just crapped out) it s time to trade in to a new 2021 tesla and stop sinking more $$ into my beloved S. Sticker price when I got the car after it was optioned up to the gills was $128 500. Since owning I ve been through 2 drive units and probably 8 trips to the SC for repair spending around $8k for out of warranty fixes. The car is in great cosmetic condition with normal degradation for 135k miles. Tesla emailed me the trade in offer this morning... $10k flat. Is this some sort of joke??? | Tesla don t want your car. Or any cars. | Tesla notoriously low-balls trade in values. You should try Carmax Carvana and Vroom. Obviously that sounds pretty freaking low but you re a year or so out of being able to get any kind of reasonable financing on that car which means people are not going to be interested in buying it and therefore the demand is potentially non-existent. | 139 | 2 | 7,497 |
iu7t1p | 110 | Holy Depreciation Batman After loving my 2014 P85D for a number of years now and driving her a bunch I thought due to out of warranty and a few repair bills here and there (MCU just crapped out) it s time to trade in to a new 2021 tesla and stop sinking more $$ into my beloved S. Sticker price when I got the car after it was optioned up to the gills was $128 500. Since owning I ve been through 2 drive units and probably 8 trips to the SC for repair spending around $8k for out of warranty fixes. The car is in great cosmetic condition with normal degradation for 135k miles. Tesla emailed me the trade in offer this morning... $10k flat. Is this some sort of joke??? | Tesla don t want your car. Or any cars. | That s the price you pay for just trading it in. Definitely worth more on the used car market. Tesla doesn t want your 6 year old S. You should be able to get ~~$40k+~~ more on the open market. Try Carvana etc. Edit: Insanity corrected. | 139 | 17 | 7,498 |
iup532 | 198 | Can we get a Navigation icon to the nearest hospital please? Dear Elon I know you and or your people monitor this board and I have a request. I had an emergency this morning. A gentleman in his underwear covered in blood waved me down in my car and I needed to rush him to the nearest hospital. When you have your adrenaline pumping and your passenger is gushing blood from a head wound then is not the time to try to type in hospital into your GPS. Could we please get a navigational icon next to the one for Home and Work that would direct you to the nearest hospital? Thank you! Yes I got him there and he seems to be stable. It was a home invasion - he was attacked by two men in his sleep. | Call 911. You are a better person than me - no way I am letting a bloody half naked stranger in my car. | 😳 | 171 | 3 | 7,499 |
iup532 | 198 | Can we get a Navigation icon to the nearest hospital please? Dear Elon I know you and or your people monitor this board and I have a request. I had an emergency this morning. A gentleman in his underwear covered in blood waved me down in my car and I needed to rush him to the nearest hospital. When you have your adrenaline pumping and your passenger is gushing blood from a head wound then is not the time to try to type in hospital into your GPS. Could we please get a navigational icon next to the one for Home and Work that would direct you to the nearest hospital? Thank you! Yes I got him there and he seems to be stable. It was a home invasion - he was attacked by two men in his sleep. | Call 911. You are a better person than me - no way I am letting a bloody half naked stranger in my car. | Uh....911 or your local emergency response number? Let the professionals do their job? | 171 | 5 | 7,500 |
iup532 | 198 | Can we get a Navigation icon to the nearest hospital please? Dear Elon I know you and or your people monitor this board and I have a request. I had an emergency this morning. A gentleman in his underwear covered in blood waved me down in my car and I needed to rush him to the nearest hospital. When you have your adrenaline pumping and your passenger is gushing blood from a head wound then is not the time to try to type in hospital into your GPS. Could we please get a navigational icon next to the one for Home and Work that would direct you to the nearest hospital? Thank you! Yes I got him there and he seems to be stable. It was a home invasion - he was attacked by two men in his sleep. | Call 911. You are a better person than me - no way I am letting a bloody half naked stranger in my car. | That s a crazy situation. Good you were there and he is hopefully ok. I wonder if people would use such a button though. In a panic you re likely to forget it exists. For example my phone has an emergency button but the only time I ve had to call 911 my brain went on auto and I unlocked the phone and manually dialed 911. I agree the feature would be good to have but it s hard to make this kind of feature stand out when needed but not be obtrusive for everyday use. | 171 | 19 | 7,501 |
iuy4ck | 40 | Tesla Insurance In CA California Tesla owners: have the rates through Tesla Insurance been good for you? Geico is quoting insanely high rates for a Model Y. I would hate for this to be the reason I don t buy a Tesla. it s frustrating to think that one of the safest cars ever made would translate to one of the highest premiums I have ever seen. I m quickly approaching pulling the trigger on an order but this could be a showstopper. | Great pricing from Tesla insurance. Saved almost 50% | Even though it has all the safety features etc. When it does get into an accident or comprehensive loss the cost to repair is ridiculously high. | 44 | 2 | 7,502 |
iuy4ck | 40 | Tesla Insurance In CA California Tesla owners: have the rates through Tesla Insurance been good for you? Geico is quoting insanely high rates for a Model Y. I would hate for this to be the reason I don t buy a Tesla. it s frustrating to think that one of the safest cars ever made would translate to one of the highest premiums I have ever seen. I m quickly approaching pulling the trigger on an order but this could be a showstopper. | Great pricing from Tesla insurance. Saved almost 50% | Still too high for me at least the quotes are that I check from time to time. Doesn t hurt to get a free quote once your Tesla is linked to your account. | 44 | 3 | 7,503 |
iuy4ck | 40 | Tesla Insurance In CA California Tesla owners: have the rates through Tesla Insurance been good for you? Geico is quoting insanely high rates for a Model Y. I would hate for this to be the reason I don t buy a Tesla. it s frustrating to think that one of the safest cars ever made would translate to one of the highest premiums I have ever seen. I m quickly approaching pulling the trigger on an order but this could be a showstopper. | Great pricing from Tesla insurance. Saved almost 50% | I have progressive and pay $180 mo on my Model X Tesla insurance was way higher when I got a quote last year Edit: for what it s worth the rates are high because Tesla s are expensive to fix even in a minor accident | 44 | 6 | 7,504 |
iv90tf | 49 | Cybertruck Frunk? Will the cybetruck get a frunk? I was just looking at renders realized how handy it d be if you could open the frunk for easy access to 120V toolbox storage etc. My buddy who is a contractor said the cybertruck design is useless because he ll have to crawl in the back of his truck to get basic shit all day. Never occurred to me. | Does your contractor friend realize his current pickup doesn t have a Frunk. So at worst it will be the same amount of uselessness. I mean unless your contractor friend has a 8 bed I really don t see how any EV will be less useful. If you re talking about range and towing range that s different. | The drunk and then sail storage will be plenty for anytime someone needs storage. People act like they are reaching over the bed of an F150 and swinging a generator out or something. | 48 | 15 | 7,505 |
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