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8o7q6d | 82 | [Discussion] BMW 3 series costs $15 600 over 10 years to maintain how do you think the Model 3 will fair? Came across this today: https: www.yourmechanic.com article the-most-and-least-expensive-cars-to-maintain-by-maddy-martin Based on total car maintenance costs over 10 years 1 Chrysler Sebring $17 100 2 BMW 328i $15 600 3 Nissan Murano $14 700 4 Mercedes-Benz E350 $14 700 5 Chevrolet Cobalt $14 500 on the other end we have the Toyota Prius at $4 300. Where do you think the Model 3 will sit? | So... if anyone s wondering what the cost of the Roadster total maintenance was looking like over 10 years I can do an approximation. This year (the year it turns 10) it is starting to cost a lot more than the last 8 years combined. 2008-2012 - nothing 2013 - **$600** (for yearly service) 2014 - **$1 000** (tires new e-brake clip) In 2015 - I had some work they did on a goodwill basis. But had to pay **$950** (to repair the coolant reservoir and lines.) 2016 - **$699** (yearly service plus windshield wiper repair) In 2017 - zero In 2018 - **$4 116.60** (new HVAC compressor new TPMS monitors new rear trunk lid shocks) But it s in the shop right now and will cost at least **$1 500** (to fix the 400 v internal charger controller.) Running total for the 10 years is approximately **$8 865.60.** If the battery pack goes of course -- this changes radically. At some point I remember them changing the swing arm bushings but I don t think they charged me for the repairs even though it was well out of warranty at the time. | **New Vehicle Limited Warranty** Your Model 3 is protected by a New Vehicle Limited Warranty for 4 years or 50 000 miles (80 000 km) whichever comes first. The Battery and Drive Unit in your vehicle are covered for a period of: * Vehicles with Standard Range Battery - 8 years or 100 000 miles (160 000 km) whichever comes first with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period. * Vehicles with Long Range Battery - 8 years or 120 000 miles (192 000 km) whichever comes first with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period. These warranties cover the repair or replacement necessary to correct defects in the materials or workmanship of any parts manufactured or supplied by Tesla that occur under normal use during the coverage period. | 51 | 2 | 2,506 |
8o7q6d | 82 | [Discussion] BMW 3 series costs $15 600 over 10 years to maintain how do you think the Model 3 will fair? Came across this today: https: www.yourmechanic.com article the-most-and-least-expensive-cars-to-maintain-by-maddy-martin Based on total car maintenance costs over 10 years 1 Chrysler Sebring $17 100 2 BMW 328i $15 600 3 Nissan Murano $14 700 4 Mercedes-Benz E350 $14 700 5 Chevrolet Cobalt $14 500 on the other end we have the Toyota Prius at $4 300. Where do you think the Model 3 will sit? | So... if anyone s wondering what the cost of the Roadster total maintenance was looking like over 10 years I can do an approximation. This year (the year it turns 10) it is starting to cost a lot more than the last 8 years combined. 2008-2012 - nothing 2013 - **$600** (for yearly service) 2014 - **$1 000** (tires new e-brake clip) In 2015 - I had some work they did on a goodwill basis. But had to pay **$950** (to repair the coolant reservoir and lines.) 2016 - **$699** (yearly service plus windshield wiper repair) In 2017 - zero In 2018 - **$4 116.60** (new HVAC compressor new TPMS monitors new rear trunk lid shocks) But it s in the shop right now and will cost at least **$1 500** (to fix the 400 v internal charger controller.) Running total for the 10 years is approximately **$8 865.60.** If the battery pack goes of course -- this changes radically. At some point I remember them changing the swing arm bushings but I don t think they charged me for the repairs even though it was well out of warranty at the time. | Are we talking about *maintenance* or mechanical repairs? I would consider maintenance as oil tires brakes etc. I ve never owned a car anywhere near 10 years though so these numbers seem staggering. I do oil changes tire rotations and wipers twice per year. So maybe $150 year? I don t know where all this other money is going. | 51 | 5 | 2,507 |
8o7q6d | 82 | [Discussion] BMW 3 series costs $15 600 over 10 years to maintain how do you think the Model 3 will fair? Came across this today: https: www.yourmechanic.com article the-most-and-least-expensive-cars-to-maintain-by-maddy-martin Based on total car maintenance costs over 10 years 1 Chrysler Sebring $17 100 2 BMW 328i $15 600 3 Nissan Murano $14 700 4 Mercedes-Benz E350 $14 700 5 Chevrolet Cobalt $14 500 on the other end we have the Toyota Prius at $4 300. Where do you think the Model 3 will sit? | So... if anyone s wondering what the cost of the Roadster total maintenance was looking like over 10 years I can do an approximation. This year (the year it turns 10) it is starting to cost a lot more than the last 8 years combined. 2008-2012 - nothing 2013 - **$600** (for yearly service) 2014 - **$1 000** (tires new e-brake clip) In 2015 - I had some work they did on a goodwill basis. But had to pay **$950** (to repair the coolant reservoir and lines.) 2016 - **$699** (yearly service plus windshield wiper repair) In 2017 - zero In 2018 - **$4 116.60** (new HVAC compressor new TPMS monitors new rear trunk lid shocks) But it s in the shop right now and will cost at least **$1 500** (to fix the 400 v internal charger controller.) Running total for the 10 years is approximately **$8 865.60.** If the battery pack goes of course -- this changes radically. At some point I remember them changing the swing arm bushings but I don t think they charged me for the repairs even though it was well out of warranty at the time. | I hear tires wear out pretty often and aren t cheap. | 51 | 6 | 2,508 |
8obxj6 | 86 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | Loading up groceries into our Model S at the supermarket this afternoon. A fellow in his 50s-60s stops by. Is that an electric car? Yep it s a Tesla. What s the farthest you ve gone in one of those things? My wife and I just got back from Massachusetts yesterday. That was a four thousand mile round trip. Yeah but you had to put gas in it for a trip that far. It doesn t take gas. Just need to plug it in every 250 miles or so. No has to take gas to go that far. [walks away] ??? | Can you watch Netflix on that massive screen?? | 115 | 4 | 2,509 |
8obxj6 | 86 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | Loading up groceries into our Model S at the supermarket this afternoon. A fellow in his 50s-60s stops by. Is that an electric car? Yep it s a Tesla. What s the farthest you ve gone in one of those things? My wife and I just got back from Massachusetts yesterday. That was a four thousand mile round trip. Yeah but you had to put gas in it for a trip that far. It doesn t take gas. Just need to plug it in every 250 miles or so. No has to take gas to go that far. [walks away] ??? | “Do you have to plug it in everywhere you go?” | 115 | 8 | 2,510 |
8obxj6 | 86 | [Discussion] What s the strangest question you ve heard from people about your Tesla? Aside from “Is that a Tesla?” when they re looking at your car and it says “Tesla” right on the back of it of course. | I don t have a Tesla yet but I ve got a VIN # and the GF has a Volt. I was “Up North” for Memorial Day and a conversation started about electric cars. It was a great convo until a family friend (an engineer) asked “why don t they just put a generator on the wheel so that when it goes forward it just keeps generating electricity?” My answer: “they do that s a key part of how you slow down and why these thing get such great mileage in the city.” His response: “no I mean make the generator spin all the time. That way you d never need to stop. I bet the government would never let that happen.” I asked him what kind of engineer he was and he just looked at me strangely. | Can you watch Netflix on that massive screen?? | 110 | 4 | 2,511 |
8odclg | 36 | Is it cringeworthy to give Model 3 drivers a thumbs up? [Discussion] There are very few Model 3 s in my area right now (suburban Colorado) and I finally had the opportunity to drive next to one today (blue Model 3 in Lakewood CO if you re on reddit). I missed my exit just to pull up on the passenger side and give the passenger a thumbs up and a big smile. Cringeworthy? Appreciated by Model 3 drivers? Either way wow this Tesla is absolutely beautiful in real life. | 👍🏻 | Just did it today while driving alongside a silver model 3. Hi from my blue model 3! | 66 | 28 | 2,512 |
8odclg | 36 | Is it cringeworthy to give Model 3 drivers a thumbs up? [Discussion] There are very few Model 3 s in my area right now (suburban Colorado) and I finally had the opportunity to drive next to one today (blue Model 3 in Lakewood CO if you re on reddit). I missed my exit just to pull up on the passenger side and give the passenger a thumbs up and a big smile. Cringeworthy? Appreciated by Model 3 drivers? Either way wow this Tesla is absolutely beautiful in real life. | I give thumbs up to all teslas not just the 3 | Totally fine by me :) | 40 | 7 | 2,513 |
8odclg | 36 | Is it cringeworthy to give Model 3 drivers a thumbs up? [Discussion] There are very few Model 3 s in my area right now (suburban Colorado) and I finally had the opportunity to drive next to one today (blue Model 3 in Lakewood CO if you re on reddit). I missed my exit just to pull up on the passenger side and give the passenger a thumbs up and a big smile. Cringeworthy? Appreciated by Model 3 drivers? Either way wow this Tesla is absolutely beautiful in real life. | I give thumbs up to all teslas not just the 3 | Go for it! Most are proud to have it. | 40 | 13 | 2,514 |
8ot9q5 | 241 | Tesla 2018 Shareholder Meeting - Official Thread Tesla is holding its annual shareholder meeting today at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View. It s starting at 2:30 pm PT and it will be livestreamed on Tesla s website here: https: www.tesla.com shareholdermeeting?redirect=no The meeting generally starts with the official items on the agenda which this year include: * To elect the three Class II directors to serve for a term of three years or until their respective successors are duly elected and qualified. * * To ratify the appointment of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP as Tesla s independent registered public accounting firm for the fiscal year ending December 31 2018. * * To consider and vote upon a stockholder proposal to require that the Chair of the Board of Directors be an independent director. * * To consider and vote upon a stockholder proposal regarding proxy access After that Elon Musk generally gives a short presentation about the state of the company followed by a Q& A session. Please keep all post and comments related to the shareholder meeting in this thread. Have fun! | Watch here: https: www.tesla.com shareholdermeeting * Model 3 is now the best selling premium medium-size sedan in the US. [Screenshot](https: i.imgur.com S3bkx31.png) from the live stream. * Model 3 SR low volume production by the end of this year. * 5 000 week by the end of this month looks very likely. * Supercharger V3 will be quite an improvement. Announcement later this year. * Tesla s energy sector will grow so much that each year the production will be more than all previous years combined. [Edit: That means production will double each year] * Next year Gigafactory will produce more car batteries than the rest of the world combined. * Glass-solar-roof durability life testing continues. They are trying to replicate 30 years of wear and tear with accelerated testing. * No need to raise money. Positive cash flow in Q3 and Q4. * Model Y production in 2020 reveal in March 2019. * New Roadster will have SpaceX option package. The car revealed was the base model. * JB Straubel: We have the best battery performance at the best price * Elon: We might achieve $100 kWh at the cell level later this year depending on commodity prices * Elon: In 2 years we think we will reach $100 kWh at the pack level * New Gigafactory [battery + cars] will be in Shanghai China. The announcement will be in next month. * Model 3 insurance cost should be 20-30% lower than BMW 3 series. We are working with insurance companies. * Volume production of Standard Range Model 3 in Q1 2019. Initial production before the end of this year. * Elon: If you reserve a Model 3 LR in the US now you should get it in 3-4 months. [[Tesla s website](https: www.tesla.com model3) says 4-6 months] * ~~Model 3 LR AWD new orders will take 12 months~~ Model 3 RHD will take more than 12 months * New Model 3 production line has started production. Elon is confident about 5 000 week by the end of this month * Tesla will add body repair sections to some of the service centers. Body repair costs and time will be improved. Same day repairs will be possible for some of the repairs. * Autopilot on-ramp to off-ramp could be released in a couple of months * Model 3 lease will be offered at the end of this year or early next year. It has a negative effect on finances. * We need to achieve 10 000 week next year * Starlink device to receive connections is the size of a medium size pizza. Not suitable to put on the roof of a car. They will continue to use cellular connections for Tesla cars. * Virtual grid in Puerto Rico could be possible instead of building new power plants. * Charge speeds will be improved. 2012 batteries won t be able to use the improved technology. Only battery packs with the new chemistry can use it. * Tesla will offer cars with more than 400 miles range down the road. * Tesla currently uses leather only on the steering wheel. Model Y [in 2020] won t use any leather. * Elon: In 2-3 years we might be able to improve battery volumetric density by 20-30%. * AWD invites will go out next week. Production will start this month. Scaling up through July-Aug. High volume in Sep-Oct. * Tesla energy storage gross margin target is the same as automotive which is 20-30%. We might reach this by the end of this year or early next year. * In the next several months the improvement in Autopilot will be quite dramatic. * Model 3 Tier-1 suppliers didn t work out well. Tesla is switching those to internal production. There will be still lots of suppliers but these will be mostly Tier-2 and Tier-3. | Seems like ustream is a bit overloaded at the moment can t get the page to load... ustream.tv directly times out and the embedded video just gives a blank failed to load frame. | 295 | 2 | 2,515 |
8ot9q5 | 241 | Tesla 2018 Shareholder Meeting - Official Thread Tesla is holding its annual shareholder meeting today at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View. It s starting at 2:30 pm PT and it will be livestreamed on Tesla s website here: https: www.tesla.com shareholdermeeting?redirect=no The meeting generally starts with the official items on the agenda which this year include: * To elect the three Class II directors to serve for a term of three years or until their respective successors are duly elected and qualified. * * To ratify the appointment of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP as Tesla s independent registered public accounting firm for the fiscal year ending December 31 2018. * * To consider and vote upon a stockholder proposal to require that the Chair of the Board of Directors be an independent director. * * To consider and vote upon a stockholder proposal regarding proxy access After that Elon Musk generally gives a short presentation about the state of the company followed by a Q& A session. Please keep all post and comments related to the shareholder meeting in this thread. Have fun! | Watch here: https: www.tesla.com shareholdermeeting * Model 3 is now the best selling premium medium-size sedan in the US. [Screenshot](https: i.imgur.com S3bkx31.png) from the live stream. * Model 3 SR low volume production by the end of this year. * 5 000 week by the end of this month looks very likely. * Supercharger V3 will be quite an improvement. Announcement later this year. * Tesla s energy sector will grow so much that each year the production will be more than all previous years combined. [Edit: That means production will double each year] * Next year Gigafactory will produce more car batteries than the rest of the world combined. * Glass-solar-roof durability life testing continues. They are trying to replicate 30 years of wear and tear with accelerated testing. * No need to raise money. Positive cash flow in Q3 and Q4. * Model Y production in 2020 reveal in March 2019. * New Roadster will have SpaceX option package. The car revealed was the base model. * JB Straubel: We have the best battery performance at the best price * Elon: We might achieve $100 kWh at the cell level later this year depending on commodity prices * Elon: In 2 years we think we will reach $100 kWh at the pack level * New Gigafactory [battery + cars] will be in Shanghai China. The announcement will be in next month. * Model 3 insurance cost should be 20-30% lower than BMW 3 series. We are working with insurance companies. * Volume production of Standard Range Model 3 in Q1 2019. Initial production before the end of this year. * Elon: If you reserve a Model 3 LR in the US now you should get it in 3-4 months. [[Tesla s website](https: www.tesla.com model3) says 4-6 months] * ~~Model 3 LR AWD new orders will take 12 months~~ Model 3 RHD will take more than 12 months * New Model 3 production line has started production. Elon is confident about 5 000 week by the end of this month * Tesla will add body repair sections to some of the service centers. Body repair costs and time will be improved. Same day repairs will be possible for some of the repairs. * Autopilot on-ramp to off-ramp could be released in a couple of months * Model 3 lease will be offered at the end of this year or early next year. It has a negative effect on finances. * We need to achieve 10 000 week next year * Starlink device to receive connections is the size of a medium size pizza. Not suitable to put on the roof of a car. They will continue to use cellular connections for Tesla cars. * Virtual grid in Puerto Rico could be possible instead of building new power plants. * Charge speeds will be improved. 2012 batteries won t be able to use the improved technology. Only battery packs with the new chemistry can use it. * Tesla will offer cars with more than 400 miles range down the road. * Tesla currently uses leather only on the steering wheel. Model Y [in 2020] won t use any leather. * Elon: In 2-3 years we might be able to improve battery volumetric density by 20-30%. * AWD invites will go out next week. Production will start this month. Scaling up through July-Aug. High volume in Sep-Oct. * Tesla energy storage gross margin target is the same as automotive which is 20-30%. We might reach this by the end of this year or early next year. * In the next several months the improvement in Autopilot will be quite dramatic. * Model 3 Tier-1 suppliers didn t work out well. Tesla is switching those to internal production. There will be still lots of suppliers but these will be mostly Tier-2 and Tier-3. | oh man lol | 295 | 2 | 2,516 |
8ot9q5 | 241 | Tesla 2018 Shareholder Meeting - Official Thread Tesla is holding its annual shareholder meeting today at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View. It s starting at 2:30 pm PT and it will be livestreamed on Tesla s website here: https: www.tesla.com shareholdermeeting?redirect=no The meeting generally starts with the official items on the agenda which this year include: * To elect the three Class II directors to serve for a term of three years or until their respective successors are duly elected and qualified. * * To ratify the appointment of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP as Tesla s independent registered public accounting firm for the fiscal year ending December 31 2018. * * To consider and vote upon a stockholder proposal to require that the Chair of the Board of Directors be an independent director. * * To consider and vote upon a stockholder proposal regarding proxy access After that Elon Musk generally gives a short presentation about the state of the company followed by a Q& A session. Please keep all post and comments related to the shareholder meeting in this thread. Have fun! | Watch here: https: www.tesla.com shareholdermeeting * Model 3 is now the best selling premium medium-size sedan in the US. [Screenshot](https: i.imgur.com S3bkx31.png) from the live stream. * Model 3 SR low volume production by the end of this year. * 5 000 week by the end of this month looks very likely. * Supercharger V3 will be quite an improvement. Announcement later this year. * Tesla s energy sector will grow so much that each year the production will be more than all previous years combined. [Edit: That means production will double each year] * Next year Gigafactory will produce more car batteries than the rest of the world combined. * Glass-solar-roof durability life testing continues. They are trying to replicate 30 years of wear and tear with accelerated testing. * No need to raise money. Positive cash flow in Q3 and Q4. * Model Y production in 2020 reveal in March 2019. * New Roadster will have SpaceX option package. The car revealed was the base model. * JB Straubel: We have the best battery performance at the best price * Elon: We might achieve $100 kWh at the cell level later this year depending on commodity prices * Elon: In 2 years we think we will reach $100 kWh at the pack level * New Gigafactory [battery + cars] will be in Shanghai China. The announcement will be in next month. * Model 3 insurance cost should be 20-30% lower than BMW 3 series. We are working with insurance companies. * Volume production of Standard Range Model 3 in Q1 2019. Initial production before the end of this year. * Elon: If you reserve a Model 3 LR in the US now you should get it in 3-4 months. [[Tesla s website](https: www.tesla.com model3) says 4-6 months] * ~~Model 3 LR AWD new orders will take 12 months~~ Model 3 RHD will take more than 12 months * New Model 3 production line has started production. Elon is confident about 5 000 week by the end of this month * Tesla will add body repair sections to some of the service centers. Body repair costs and time will be improved. Same day repairs will be possible for some of the repairs. * Autopilot on-ramp to off-ramp could be released in a couple of months * Model 3 lease will be offered at the end of this year or early next year. It has a negative effect on finances. * We need to achieve 10 000 week next year * Starlink device to receive connections is the size of a medium size pizza. Not suitable to put on the roof of a car. They will continue to use cellular connections for Tesla cars. * Virtual grid in Puerto Rico could be possible instead of building new power plants. * Charge speeds will be improved. 2012 batteries won t be able to use the improved technology. Only battery packs with the new chemistry can use it. * Tesla will offer cars with more than 400 miles range down the road. * Tesla currently uses leather only on the steering wheel. Model Y [in 2020] won t use any leather. * Elon: In 2-3 years we might be able to improve battery volumetric density by 20-30%. * AWD invites will go out next week. Production will start this month. Scaling up through July-Aug. High volume in Sep-Oct. * Tesla energy storage gross margin target is the same as automotive which is 20-30%. We might reach this by the end of this year or early next year. * In the next several months the improvement in Autopilot will be quite dramatic. * Model 3 Tier-1 suppliers didn t work out well. Tesla is switching those to internal production. There will be still lots of suppliers but these will be mostly Tier-2 and Tier-3. | VOTE no For YOLO > insurance | 295 | 2 | 2,517 |
8ou1in | 233 | PSA: Show respect for Tesla Service Center employees and managers I have seen recent poor behavior from customers directly impact service center employees in a negative way. Service center employees are there to help you and should not be blamed for all of Tesla s issues. Tesla is clearly still growing and has a lot of room for improvement. Communication is not great within Tesla so you may know more than your service center at times. I promise you that yelling and cursing does nothing to solve the problem. I have some great relationships with employees at the service center. They all know me by name and treat me like someone special each and every time I visit. Why? because I treat them with respect (and I am there a lot). | Everytime that I take my car in for service or warranty work I bring them a box of donuts. Not only do they feel appreciated but they probably think of me as the donut guy which can only be a good thing for each of us. | You re absolutely right no point in yelling at people. Comments like your last sentence do scare me a bit... why are you there a lot? I really don t want a personal relationship with my service center. I d love to not see them for years at a time ideally. Perhaps I ve been spoiled by my prior cars... I ve had 2 cars in the last 19 years and neither of them have ever needed anything besides gas oil tires and brakes. They ve never been back to the dealership for anything. | 45 | 9 | 2,518 |
8ou1in | 233 | PSA: Show respect for Tesla Service Center employees and managers I have seen recent poor behavior from customers directly impact service center employees in a negative way. Service center employees are there to help you and should not be blamed for all of Tesla s issues. Tesla is clearly still growing and has a lot of room for improvement. Communication is not great within Tesla so you may know more than your service center at times. I promise you that yelling and cursing does nothing to solve the problem. I have some great relationships with employees at the service center. They all know me by name and treat me like someone special each and every time I visit. Why? because I treat them with respect (and I am there a lot). | There s a very good chance that problem employees aside any service center problems you have are directly a result of bad decisions higher up the chain. Too-low staffing causing long turn-arounds waits parts shortages etc... Not much different from shitheads yelling at retail service workers - the thing you re being abusive about was 95% likely put in place by someone who probably got a bonus for it. And even in the off chance it s due to some fuckup the employee you re yelling at made you re still a shit person and need to fuck off. Most times I went to the service center with my P85 went great. It took 6 months to get the right new windshield but none of that was the fault of anyone I could ever get on the phone with or see in person. | You re absolutely right no point in yelling at people. Comments like your last sentence do scare me a bit... why are you there a lot? I really don t want a personal relationship with my service center. I d love to not see them for years at a time ideally. Perhaps I ve been spoiled by my prior cars... I ve had 2 cars in the last 19 years and neither of them have ever needed anything besides gas oil tires and brakes. They ve never been back to the dealership for anything. | 44 | 9 | 2,519 |
8ou1in | 233 | PSA: Show respect for Tesla Service Center employees and managers I have seen recent poor behavior from customers directly impact service center employees in a negative way. Service center employees are there to help you and should not be blamed for all of Tesla s issues. Tesla is clearly still growing and has a lot of room for improvement. Communication is not great within Tesla so you may know more than your service center at times. I promise you that yelling and cursing does nothing to solve the problem. I have some great relationships with employees at the service center. They all know me by name and treat me like someone special each and every time I visit. Why? because I treat them with respect (and I am there a lot). | Everytime that I take my car in for service or warranty work I bring them a box of donuts. Not only do they feel appreciated but they probably think of me as the donut guy which can only be a good thing for each of us. | Same those guys are great. They ve hooked me up more times then I can count. | 45 | 17 | 2,520 |
8ouwvj | 749 | Elon Musk remains as Chairman by shareholder vote Super Majority win | Only an idiot would vote him out that s like firing Steve jobs from apple | Are the vote numbers public or just the result? | 128 | 3 | 2,521 |
8ouwvj | 749 | Elon Musk remains as Chairman by shareholder vote Super Majority win | Only an idiot would vote him out that s like firing Steve jobs from apple | If this had been successful it would have been the biggest mistake since Steve Jobs was ousted at Apple. That nearly killed them then. | 128 | 18 | 2,522 |
8ouwvj | 749 | Elon Musk remains as Chairman by shareholder vote Super Majority win | Only an idiot would vote him out that s like firing Steve jobs from apple | Could this be the least surprising result of a shareholder vote in history? | 128 | 28 | 2,523 |
8ovniq | 93 | [Discussion] Elon Says New AP Update This Week! In shareholder meeting Elon says that an updated version of AP is going out this week with significant improvements. It sounded like there might even be a second release with further enhancements. I agree with his statement on getting vision down as being the key to FSD. I just hope we start seeing some of the improvements to vision that are needed to get there. | I just want the simple things right now like display the cars in the adjacent lanes. | Neat. (Giev summon too) | 47 | 2 | 2,524 |
8ovniq | 93 | [Discussion] Elon Says New AP Update This Week! In shareholder meeting Elon says that an updated version of AP is going out this week with significant improvements. It sounded like there might even be a second release with further enhancements. I agree with his statement on getting vision down as being the key to FSD. I just hope we start seeing some of the improvements to vision that are needed to get there. | He also said he was testing on-ramp to off-ramp functionality literally last night (early this morning) and that with a couple of months of improvement it should be ready to release! | Neat. (Giev summon too) | 46 | 2 | 2,525 |
8ovost | 500 | 2018 Annual Shareholder Meeting Notes Hey everyone I took notes during the shareholder meeting and thought I d post them. Hopefully I didn t make any big mistakes. I added a General flair cause a lot more than investing was discussed I did not take notes during the boring part. \\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\- EDIT: Whoa \\-\\- thanks for the gold!! Also I fixed some typos and added some additional clarifying nouns and verbs. \\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\- * All model 3 production lines demonstrated 500 cars per day * Likely achieve 5 000 cars week by end of month with upgrades * Market share – best\\-selling mid\\-sized premium sedans * More deliveries fewer repairs – quality and reliability improved by factor of 4 or 5 – working on getting better * Employee safety – thus far 2018 – injuries per person is 6& #37 below industry average – want to be 50& #37 better than industry average * Majority of injuries are repetitive stress – back or wrist strain need better tooling and fixtures and rotating people through different roles – Elon cares about this a lot * Supercharger expansion – 9 969 total globally right now * Want system so cars can basically go anywhere on earth * Excited about next gen – mostly finished in design * Gen 3 production later this year * Saving announcement for when it is ready to deploy * Will accelerate supercharger expansion after gen 3 deploys * 1 GWh storage deployed worldwide – another GWh in less than a year * Rate of stationary storage growing exponentially * Each incremental year will be more than all of preceding year for a number of years * Production limited right now * Expect to ship more batteries from gigafactory than all other EVs combines * Want to do more tours of gigafactory when things calm down – Elon: “It s like EPIC” – 2 hours to walk through all of the parts of giga if you don t pause a lot * A lot of non\\-Tesla solar roof customers – spending a lot of time validating solar roof – want to last at least 30 yrs ideally half century or longer – only so much accelerated life testing you can do – will grow exponentially * Still expecting positive GAAP net income and positive cash flow in Q3 and Q4 – do not expect to raise any incremental debt or equity * Exciting products * Model Y – something super special * Unveil around March next year or maybe Q2 * Production about 2 years from now – maybe a little less * Similar timeline for Semi and Roadster 2.0 – will be better than what was unveiled * Figured out ways to improve range of Semi * Roadster 2.0 specs were base model performance – will have SpaceX option package * With Roadster 2.0 – want to show electric can outperform ICE in every way – get rid of halo effect of ICE cars – powerful in terms of general public perception * Twitter Questions being answered now * Model 3 production alien dreadnought 0.5 – will we see 1.0 or 2.0? * Made a lot of mistakes with model 3 production. Know how to address going forward for giga and for future factories. * Long term strength of Tesla will be manufacturing. Quite dramatic. A lot of people don t yet realize this. * Automation working in some cases – some cases not * Some parts well suited for robotics – some super well suited for person * Future production line will have relative bias to people – then automate the cumbersome parts * Elon inviting Tesla exec team on stage * Battery cost – best price and performance * Better than $100 kWh maybe later this year depending on material costs * Long term $100 KWh at pack level – less than 2 years away * Think they ve come up with good couple of breakthroughs on battery density and cost (see other answers to questions below) * Gigafactory construction progressing over next few years * Might be twice as big as next biggest building in the world * About 1 3 done right now * Close to announcing combined vehicle battery pack and powertrain in Shanghai China – holding discussions with various governments in China – going to be next gen Tesla factory – announcing all details really soon as soon as next month * One more in Europe announcement maybe end of this year * Expect 10\\-12 gigafactories worldwide * Tesla Semi * Another revision of Tesla Semi is coming * Learned a lot so far and making better * Range way beyond what industry thinks possible * Will work in US Europe China rest of world * One factory in works another one later this year (pretty sure Elon was referring to Semi) * Tesla will and does recycles batteries * Currently have partner companies on every major continent * Developing more internal processes and R& D to improve recycling further * Want to reuse same recycled materials – see a path to do this and on the way to doing this internally * Financial and ethical advantage to reprocess same materials rather than mine new materials * Model 3 repair and insurance * Working with insurance companies * Want to get insurance cost 20& #37 \\-30& #37 lower than BMW 3 series or equivalent mid\\-sized sedan * Improving repair costs also * Will definitely offer 35k version of Model 3 – early next yr * End of this year for smaller battery pack * Free autopilot trial – next month * Rapid progress in autopilot tech * New version this week – significant improvement * Will see that reliability and capability will increase exponentially over 6\\-12 months * Rapid improvements * Model 3 wait times * Depends on part of world and what config * Current wait is 3\\-4 months for current config * RHD version wait is over a year * Model 3: how many assembly lines * Varies * General assembly – 2 lines constructing a third * Third lines dramatically better than 1 and 2 * Started 3rd line a few weeks ago and already putting a car through it * 5 000 week with first two lines only * Highly confident they will increase that with third line * End of next month – model 3 in all stores * Service centers – doubling of capacity yr yr compared to right now * Expecting major progress on body shop front * They will have Tesla body shop repair locations * End of month – top 10 metro areas to be serviced by Tesla body shop – same day body repair for a lot of them – expecting dramatic cost and schedule improvements * Taking existing service center – annexing body shop – pre\\-stocking parts for same\\-day or very fast repairs * People lining up at mics now * Compact or subcompact vehicles? * Think we ll do compact car in less than 5 years * Autopilot – when fully enhanced functionality… in 6 months? * Laughter * Couple months maybe * They have two versions * Super complicated version not working well right now – simplified version working well * Elon personally used it highway on ramp to off ramp using simplified version * Fleet lease * offer model 3 leasing end of this year * can t do right now because it affects capital usage of Tesla * Starlink satellite network – will Tesla cars use that network? * Starlink more meant for fixed terrestrial – antenna is size of small to medium sized pizza * for mobile use (such as Tesla cars) might be possible if you had ground\\-based repeater * Tesla will most likely continue to use wifi and cell network * How is Tesla engaging virtual power stations for charging in countries with no good infrastructure * gen 3 superchargers – more integrated solar\\-battery system * don t need to be connected to the grid * example of virtual power plant * project in Australia – networking 50k homes in Australia * all houses talk together and they all talk to utility – building it right now in Australia – they have a small demo in US – want to then expand worldwide * doing a lot in Puerto Rico – maybe more than everywhere else combined * Supercharging time * factor of 3 or 4 improvement is possible * not applicable to all battery chemistry though * Elon: ratio of drive time to charge time should be at least 6:1 maybe closer to 8 or 10:1 * opportunity for range improvements down the road – excess of 400 miles on a charge * Use of leather in gear shifter steering wheel – please remove it * the only leather in the car right now is on steering wheel rim * Franz: not advertised because it s an off menu item but Tesla will replace leather on steering wheel for people who want all vegan car * person requesting to eliminate all leather * Franz: actively working on replacing leather steering wheel rim – want it to be same experience or better * Elon: model y will not have any leather – including steering wheel – even if it does have steering wheel \\< smirk and looking off to the distance implying model y might not have a steering wheel\\> * When will battery advancement get to be twice as dense without increasing size and weight * twice as much is tricky – maybe 30\\-40& #37 improvement is for sure doable * with current tech they are confident in 30\\-40& #37 improvement but need to get it to a point to build at scale * 2\\-3 years for 30& #37 improvement * 6\\-8 yrs for doubling – need lithium anode * Tesla tractions? * Fun silly things maybe later this year after high priority stuff is taken care of * AWD model 3 * Should receive config email next week or so * Starting AWD production this month * Scale up July and August * High volume September * Text commands to car (Heat car come pick me up) * Will keep enhancing Tesla app * Summon button car will find you * Want car to learn what you want similar to a great chauffeur (alluding to things like car will be set to temp favorite music playing seat positions etc.) * Autopilot and lidar – when will time tell which approach is superior * Lidar tends to a local maximum in autonomous driving capability – cannot rely on it to get to 100& #37 * Need to solve vision – once vision is figured out lidar is not adding really anything * Sonar and radar to help in edge conditions * Lidar is wrong wavelength * Want 4mm wavelength for occlusion penetrating * JB dropped off in Q1 filing documents – person expressing a little concern * Intent was to be more generic in filing \\- it s not meant to imply anything that his name was dropped * “JB we love you we want you” * Energy storage still running double digit negative – how to get profitable * Definitely expect to turn significant positive and expect same margins as car business \\- 20\\-30& #37 gross margin desired for batteries * Later this year or early next year * Will expect big change and positive changes every quarter into 2019 * Comment about trust in Tesla timelines having been eroded * Elon: I think I have an issue with time * Anecdote of catching bus – brother would always tell me a slightly earlier time that the bus would arrive Elon would show up slightly late and they would end up showing up on time to catch the bus (i.e. his brother is intimately aware of Elon time ) * Trying to get better at it but it keeps happening * Will Tesla get in motorcycle business? * Musk used to ride bikes – then was almost killed by a truck * Tesla is not going to do motorcycles * Automatic emergency braking * Instead of last minute dramatic slowdown * Slow down sooner and less dramatically * Will occur with later versions of autopilot * Want to do it in a way that car is not annoying people where they turn it off but also make it safe * Model S has improved dramatically since 2012 – recommends people test drive new ones * Person asking about Elon s comment that future production line will have relative bias to people and then automate the cumbersome parts – why wasn t this done for model 3 * Overconfident about model 3 automation possibilities * Relied on others for tier 1 production items * Tesla will handle all tier 1 production items internally going forward * Will only contract out tier 2 and 3 | Damn nice write up. Thank you! | Why deleted? | 97 | 6 | 2,526 |
8ovost | 500 | 2018 Annual Shareholder Meeting Notes Hey everyone I took notes during the shareholder meeting and thought I d post them. Hopefully I didn t make any big mistakes. I added a General flair cause a lot more than investing was discussed I did not take notes during the boring part. \\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\- EDIT: Whoa \\-\\- thanks for the gold!! Also I fixed some typos and added some additional clarifying nouns and verbs. \\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\-\\- * All model 3 production lines demonstrated 500 cars per day * Likely achieve 5 000 cars week by end of month with upgrades * Market share – best\\-selling mid\\-sized premium sedans * More deliveries fewer repairs – quality and reliability improved by factor of 4 or 5 – working on getting better * Employee safety – thus far 2018 – injuries per person is 6& #37 below industry average – want to be 50& #37 better than industry average * Majority of injuries are repetitive stress – back or wrist strain need better tooling and fixtures and rotating people through different roles – Elon cares about this a lot * Supercharger expansion – 9 969 total globally right now * Want system so cars can basically go anywhere on earth * Excited about next gen – mostly finished in design * Gen 3 production later this year * Saving announcement for when it is ready to deploy * Will accelerate supercharger expansion after gen 3 deploys * 1 GWh storage deployed worldwide – another GWh in less than a year * Rate of stationary storage growing exponentially * Each incremental year will be more than all of preceding year for a number of years * Production limited right now * Expect to ship more batteries from gigafactory than all other EVs combines * Want to do more tours of gigafactory when things calm down – Elon: “It s like EPIC” – 2 hours to walk through all of the parts of giga if you don t pause a lot * A lot of non\\-Tesla solar roof customers – spending a lot of time validating solar roof – want to last at least 30 yrs ideally half century or longer – only so much accelerated life testing you can do – will grow exponentially * Still expecting positive GAAP net income and positive cash flow in Q3 and Q4 – do not expect to raise any incremental debt or equity * Exciting products * Model Y – something super special * Unveil around March next year or maybe Q2 * Production about 2 years from now – maybe a little less * Similar timeline for Semi and Roadster 2.0 – will be better than what was unveiled * Figured out ways to improve range of Semi * Roadster 2.0 specs were base model performance – will have SpaceX option package * With Roadster 2.0 – want to show electric can outperform ICE in every way – get rid of halo effect of ICE cars – powerful in terms of general public perception * Twitter Questions being answered now * Model 3 production alien dreadnought 0.5 – will we see 1.0 or 2.0? * Made a lot of mistakes with model 3 production. Know how to address going forward for giga and for future factories. * Long term strength of Tesla will be manufacturing. Quite dramatic. A lot of people don t yet realize this. * Automation working in some cases – some cases not * Some parts well suited for robotics – some super well suited for person * Future production line will have relative bias to people – then automate the cumbersome parts * Elon inviting Tesla exec team on stage * Battery cost – best price and performance * Better than $100 kWh maybe later this year depending on material costs * Long term $100 KWh at pack level – less than 2 years away * Think they ve come up with good couple of breakthroughs on battery density and cost (see other answers to questions below) * Gigafactory construction progressing over next few years * Might be twice as big as next biggest building in the world * About 1 3 done right now * Close to announcing combined vehicle battery pack and powertrain in Shanghai China – holding discussions with various governments in China – going to be next gen Tesla factory – announcing all details really soon as soon as next month * One more in Europe announcement maybe end of this year * Expect 10\\-12 gigafactories worldwide * Tesla Semi * Another revision of Tesla Semi is coming * Learned a lot so far and making better * Range way beyond what industry thinks possible * Will work in US Europe China rest of world * One factory in works another one later this year (pretty sure Elon was referring to Semi) * Tesla will and does recycles batteries * Currently have partner companies on every major continent * Developing more internal processes and R& D to improve recycling further * Want to reuse same recycled materials – see a path to do this and on the way to doing this internally * Financial and ethical advantage to reprocess same materials rather than mine new materials * Model 3 repair and insurance * Working with insurance companies * Want to get insurance cost 20& #37 \\-30& #37 lower than BMW 3 series or equivalent mid\\-sized sedan * Improving repair costs also * Will definitely offer 35k version of Model 3 – early next yr * End of this year for smaller battery pack * Free autopilot trial – next month * Rapid progress in autopilot tech * New version this week – significant improvement * Will see that reliability and capability will increase exponentially over 6\\-12 months * Rapid improvements * Model 3 wait times * Depends on part of world and what config * Current wait is 3\\-4 months for current config * RHD version wait is over a year * Model 3: how many assembly lines * Varies * General assembly – 2 lines constructing a third * Third lines dramatically better than 1 and 2 * Started 3rd line a few weeks ago and already putting a car through it * 5 000 week with first two lines only * Highly confident they will increase that with third line * End of next month – model 3 in all stores * Service centers – doubling of capacity yr yr compared to right now * Expecting major progress on body shop front * They will have Tesla body shop repair locations * End of month – top 10 metro areas to be serviced by Tesla body shop – same day body repair for a lot of them – expecting dramatic cost and schedule improvements * Taking existing service center – annexing body shop – pre\\-stocking parts for same\\-day or very fast repairs * People lining up at mics now * Compact or subcompact vehicles? * Think we ll do compact car in less than 5 years * Autopilot – when fully enhanced functionality… in 6 months? * Laughter * Couple months maybe * They have two versions * Super complicated version not working well right now – simplified version working well * Elon personally used it highway on ramp to off ramp using simplified version * Fleet lease * offer model 3 leasing end of this year * can t do right now because it affects capital usage of Tesla * Starlink satellite network – will Tesla cars use that network? * Starlink more meant for fixed terrestrial – antenna is size of small to medium sized pizza * for mobile use (such as Tesla cars) might be possible if you had ground\\-based repeater * Tesla will most likely continue to use wifi and cell network * How is Tesla engaging virtual power stations for charging in countries with no good infrastructure * gen 3 superchargers – more integrated solar\\-battery system * don t need to be connected to the grid * example of virtual power plant * project in Australia – networking 50k homes in Australia * all houses talk together and they all talk to utility – building it right now in Australia – they have a small demo in US – want to then expand worldwide * doing a lot in Puerto Rico – maybe more than everywhere else combined * Supercharging time * factor of 3 or 4 improvement is possible * not applicable to all battery chemistry though * Elon: ratio of drive time to charge time should be at least 6:1 maybe closer to 8 or 10:1 * opportunity for range improvements down the road – excess of 400 miles on a charge * Use of leather in gear shifter steering wheel – please remove it * the only leather in the car right now is on steering wheel rim * Franz: not advertised because it s an off menu item but Tesla will replace leather on steering wheel for people who want all vegan car * person requesting to eliminate all leather * Franz: actively working on replacing leather steering wheel rim – want it to be same experience or better * Elon: model y will not have any leather – including steering wheel – even if it does have steering wheel \\< smirk and looking off to the distance implying model y might not have a steering wheel\\> * When will battery advancement get to be twice as dense without increasing size and weight * twice as much is tricky – maybe 30\\-40& #37 improvement is for sure doable * with current tech they are confident in 30\\-40& #37 improvement but need to get it to a point to build at scale * 2\\-3 years for 30& #37 improvement * 6\\-8 yrs for doubling – need lithium anode * Tesla tractions? * Fun silly things maybe later this year after high priority stuff is taken care of * AWD model 3 * Should receive config email next week or so * Starting AWD production this month * Scale up July and August * High volume September * Text commands to car (Heat car come pick me up) * Will keep enhancing Tesla app * Summon button car will find you * Want car to learn what you want similar to a great chauffeur (alluding to things like car will be set to temp favorite music playing seat positions etc.) * Autopilot and lidar – when will time tell which approach is superior * Lidar tends to a local maximum in autonomous driving capability – cannot rely on it to get to 100& #37 * Need to solve vision – once vision is figured out lidar is not adding really anything * Sonar and radar to help in edge conditions * Lidar is wrong wavelength * Want 4mm wavelength for occlusion penetrating * JB dropped off in Q1 filing documents – person expressing a little concern * Intent was to be more generic in filing \\- it s not meant to imply anything that his name was dropped * “JB we love you we want you” * Energy storage still running double digit negative – how to get profitable * Definitely expect to turn significant positive and expect same margins as car business \\- 20\\-30& #37 gross margin desired for batteries * Later this year or early next year * Will expect big change and positive changes every quarter into 2019 * Comment about trust in Tesla timelines having been eroded * Elon: I think I have an issue with time * Anecdote of catching bus – brother would always tell me a slightly earlier time that the bus would arrive Elon would show up slightly late and they would end up showing up on time to catch the bus (i.e. his brother is intimately aware of Elon time ) * Trying to get better at it but it keeps happening * Will Tesla get in motorcycle business? * Musk used to ride bikes – then was almost killed by a truck * Tesla is not going to do motorcycles * Automatic emergency braking * Instead of last minute dramatic slowdown * Slow down sooner and less dramatically * Will occur with later versions of autopilot * Want to do it in a way that car is not annoying people where they turn it off but also make it safe * Model S has improved dramatically since 2012 – recommends people test drive new ones * Person asking about Elon s comment that future production line will have relative bias to people and then automate the cumbersome parts – why wasn t this done for model 3 * Overconfident about model 3 automation possibilities * Relied on others for tier 1 production items * Tesla will handle all tier 1 production items internally going forward * Will only contract out tier 2 and 3 | Damn nice write up. Thank you! | > < smirk and looking off to the distance implying model y might not have a steering wheel> Without even watching a video I can imagine the face he s making. | 97 | 58 | 2,527 |
8ox8zg | 151 | [Rant] This Verge video After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship is a really weird way to say Tesla investors overwhelmingly rejected proposal from investor with twelve shares to remove Elon Musk from chairmanship . | Handful of nasty crashes smh. Out of 16000 accidents per day. | 52 | 15 | 2,528 |
8ox8zg | 151 | [Rant] This Verge video After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship is a really weird way to say Tesla investors overwhelmingly rejected proposal from investor with twelve shares to remove Elon Musk from chairmanship . | The Verge went to crap years ago roughly the same time Josh Topolsky left. | 52 | 22 | 2,529 |
8oy30l | 63 | [Discussion] Accident Warning System should audibly tell the driver the direction of the warning during the chime I think during the accident warning system chime the car should tell me audibly which direction it s coming from. Forward rear left right. I got an accident warning chime on the highway from a car getting to close to my left side and my initial reaction was to frantically look around and then look at the screen trying to figure out what is going on. I look back up at the road and notice traffic in front of me is stopping and I have to hit the brakes hard. The warning could have been a forward collision warning too but I couldn t tell. I m getting more used to it but I think this feature would really help new Tesla drivers. Thoughts? | Better yet if they could amplify boost the speaker nearest the accident warning alarm at the moment it s going off a human driver could learn to look in that direction first—or camera position. +bug report feature request full 360 birds eye camera outside view please. | Would you even have time to register the direction and react accordingly? | 43 | 2 | 2,530 |
8p9pqo | 31 | Battery Weight Change I m an OTR Truck Driver and I was wondering if there is a significant weight change between a low battery level and a fully charged battery. Diesel weighs about 7 lbs per gallon and the truck I drive has 2 × 100 gal tanks. 1 400 lbs just for fuel alone. Does anyone know how much a battery weight changes? | Just think of your cell phone. It doesn t feel heavier on a full charge. | There s no difference. | 33 | 2 | 2,531 |
8p9pqo | 31 | Battery Weight Change I m an OTR Truck Driver and I was wondering if there is a significant weight change between a low battery level and a fully charged battery. Diesel weighs about 7 lbs per gallon and the truck I drive has 2 × 100 gal tanks. 1 400 lbs just for fuel alone. Does anyone know how much a battery weight changes? | There is a change in mass but it s very slight. In a Tesla Semi for example it d be under 36 micrograms in the high end. So far less than the weight of a human hair. The issue is that you have the battery weight all the time so you do have to lose weight somewhere else to carry equivalent loads. | There s no difference. | 31 | 2 | 2,532 |
8p9pqo | 31 | Battery Weight Change I m an OTR Truck Driver and I was wondering if there is a significant weight change between a low battery level and a fully charged battery. Diesel weighs about 7 lbs per gallon and the truck I drive has 2 × 100 gal tanks. 1 400 lbs just for fuel alone. Does anyone know how much a battery weight changes? | There is a change in mass but it s very slight. In a Tesla Semi for example it d be under 36 micrograms in the high end. So far less than the weight of a human hair. The issue is that you have the battery weight all the time so you do have to lose weight somewhere else to carry equivalent loads. | no change in weight! | 31 | 2 | 2,533 |
8pc4y0 | 170 | A message to the Mods and r TeslaMotors from u dirtyfries #####This is FROM u dirtyfries not u 110110. Please stop assumung I m an employee they couldn t pay me enough! > Hi everyone > I wanted to thank you all for the welcome and privilege of being a mod here. When I first came on a few weeks ago I was asked by the other mods during my screening if I was an employee of Tesla. I had performed freelance part time work for them in the past and disclosed that. This sub has been a personal passion for me pretty much since I began those assorted projects almost 3 years ago and was excited to participate further. > But I was also in the process of moving beyond an associate position with occasional projects and gaining a full staff position there. That happened and I should disclose that I m an employee. > It was pointed out to me by a friend that through this process I was misleading in the urgency of this step. And that my role as a moderator here brings up lots of questions surrounding bias good faith and transparency. I want to apologize to the current mods for essentially wasting their time. And I want to apologize to this sub as a whole for not being completely forthright with you. That was wrong. > I also shouldn t be spending my days on this subreddit I should be churning out work for the good of this company. I m obsessed with this sub and it shows. > As such I think it s appropriate that I step down from my moderator position. I realize my tenure was very brief and this appears pretty silly but I think my friend is right in that I should have been far more forthcoming and that the optics can be poor or misconstrued. I may consider myself unbiased but for the good of the sub we shouldn t have to debate my leanings every time I take a mod action - I m acting on my own but if you as a user can t know that for certain it destroys the credibility of our subreddit. > I also believe it is best for me personally to maintain a professional separation. > I enjoy talking with you all but for now need to step back. You all deserve better. I know the current and future mods will do an amazing job. > \\- df > PS: On a personal note let s not shy away from critical articles here. Tesla isn t perfect. We should welcome stories that report failings or inconsistencies and discuss them in a rational matter so those problems can be improved upon to make Tesla a better company. Those discussions often spur educational material for many. > Don t allow this to become an echo chamber where we yell ‘fake news . If it s false pick it apart with facts. If it isn t own it as a fan and demand better. If I leave everyone with one thing it s that I d love to see a heightened level of discourse around here. > PPS: And no I won t be sharing any secrets. I don t know any and if I did still wouldn t share them. Come on. | I have been trying to post comments for a while here always getting blocked for low Karma wonder if this goes through. Would like to participate in future discussions. | Good on you I guess. But there is clearly not a problem with being a biased mod. Fred is still on staff even though he runs a blatant shill site that is linked here often and censors its critical readers. | 134 | 2 | 2,534 |
8pc4y0 | 170 | A message to the Mods and r TeslaMotors from u dirtyfries #####This is FROM u dirtyfries not u 110110. Please stop assumung I m an employee they couldn t pay me enough! > Hi everyone > I wanted to thank you all for the welcome and privilege of being a mod here. When I first came on a few weeks ago I was asked by the other mods during my screening if I was an employee of Tesla. I had performed freelance part time work for them in the past and disclosed that. This sub has been a personal passion for me pretty much since I began those assorted projects almost 3 years ago and was excited to participate further. > But I was also in the process of moving beyond an associate position with occasional projects and gaining a full staff position there. That happened and I should disclose that I m an employee. > It was pointed out to me by a friend that through this process I was misleading in the urgency of this step. And that my role as a moderator here brings up lots of questions surrounding bias good faith and transparency. I want to apologize to the current mods for essentially wasting their time. And I want to apologize to this sub as a whole for not being completely forthright with you. That was wrong. > I also shouldn t be spending my days on this subreddit I should be churning out work for the good of this company. I m obsessed with this sub and it shows. > As such I think it s appropriate that I step down from my moderator position. I realize my tenure was very brief and this appears pretty silly but I think my friend is right in that I should have been far more forthcoming and that the optics can be poor or misconstrued. I may consider myself unbiased but for the good of the sub we shouldn t have to debate my leanings every time I take a mod action - I m acting on my own but if you as a user can t know that for certain it destroys the credibility of our subreddit. > I also believe it is best for me personally to maintain a professional separation. > I enjoy talking with you all but for now need to step back. You all deserve better. I know the current and future mods will do an amazing job. > \\- df > PS: On a personal note let s not shy away from critical articles here. Tesla isn t perfect. We should welcome stories that report failings or inconsistencies and discuss them in a rational matter so those problems can be improved upon to make Tesla a better company. Those discussions often spur educational material for many. > Don t allow this to become an echo chamber where we yell ‘fake news . If it s false pick it apart with facts. If it isn t own it as a fan and demand better. If I leave everyone with one thing it s that I d love to see a heightened level of discourse around here. > PPS: And no I won t be sharing any secrets. I don t know any and if I did still wouldn t share them. Come on. | I have been trying to post comments for a while here always getting blocked for low Karma wonder if this goes through. Would like to participate in future discussions. | It s ok u dirtyfries just head into the office and send my configuration invitation out today and all will be forgiven! | 134 | 2 | 2,535 |
8pc4y0 | 170 | A message to the Mods and r TeslaMotors from u dirtyfries #####This is FROM u dirtyfries not u 110110. Please stop assumung I m an employee they couldn t pay me enough! > Hi everyone > I wanted to thank you all for the welcome and privilege of being a mod here. When I first came on a few weeks ago I was asked by the other mods during my screening if I was an employee of Tesla. I had performed freelance part time work for them in the past and disclosed that. This sub has been a personal passion for me pretty much since I began those assorted projects almost 3 years ago and was excited to participate further. > But I was also in the process of moving beyond an associate position with occasional projects and gaining a full staff position there. That happened and I should disclose that I m an employee. > It was pointed out to me by a friend that through this process I was misleading in the urgency of this step. And that my role as a moderator here brings up lots of questions surrounding bias good faith and transparency. I want to apologize to the current mods for essentially wasting their time. And I want to apologize to this sub as a whole for not being completely forthright with you. That was wrong. > I also shouldn t be spending my days on this subreddit I should be churning out work for the good of this company. I m obsessed with this sub and it shows. > As such I think it s appropriate that I step down from my moderator position. I realize my tenure was very brief and this appears pretty silly but I think my friend is right in that I should have been far more forthcoming and that the optics can be poor or misconstrued. I may consider myself unbiased but for the good of the sub we shouldn t have to debate my leanings every time I take a mod action - I m acting on my own but if you as a user can t know that for certain it destroys the credibility of our subreddit. > I also believe it is best for me personally to maintain a professional separation. > I enjoy talking with you all but for now need to step back. You all deserve better. I know the current and future mods will do an amazing job. > \\- df > PS: On a personal note let s not shy away from critical articles here. Tesla isn t perfect. We should welcome stories that report failings or inconsistencies and discuss them in a rational matter so those problems can be improved upon to make Tesla a better company. Those discussions often spur educational material for many. > Don t allow this to become an echo chamber where we yell ‘fake news . If it s false pick it apart with facts. If it isn t own it as a fan and demand better. If I leave everyone with one thing it s that I d love to see a heightened level of discourse around here. > PPS: And no I won t be sharing any secrets. I don t know any and if I did still wouldn t share them. Come on. | I have been trying to post comments for a while here always getting blocked for low Karma wonder if this goes through. Would like to participate in future discussions. | Congrats u dirtyfries on getting a job at a company you love! Best of luck! | 134 | 2 | 2,536 |
8pe9sb | 52 | Concerns about Tesla s New Mass Delivery System My cousin who s closer to my dads age than mine picked up his Model 3 at the delivery center in Marina Del Ray Los Angeles area yesterday morning. I got there about half way through the presentation and after they took him out to see the car but from what I saw of it it wasn t very detailed. They just went through a slide show pointing out where some options are on either the S X or 3 but nothing detailed. When they got to the car charger part they mentioned that with the J1772 charging adapter you can charge with **ANY** charger... I kind of spoke up clarifying that it would not work with CCS or CHAdeMO charging and he seemed a little confused by my question. I had to spend a good hour with my cousin after the presentation going over the menu options and what exactly the car can do. (And I don t even have a Tesla yet). This makes me worried about future deliveries to the non-Tesla obsessed people and not fully understanding how their car will operate. A friend of mine thought the same thing when his mom got her delivery a few weeks ago. Has anyone had the same concerns? | I think Tesla needs to make an in depth video and just play it on the Model 3 screen during delivery. This said video would be saved in the car. Also a sidebar with different topics that will allow the customer to jump to different parts of the video. This way. It s high in information and low on manning requirements to train customers on the car. People will watch the video and drive off once they re done. Hell to go even one step further the video can be **literally** interactive! Ex: talking about the air vents then allowing the customers to literally try it out and *feel* the vents move. Once they re done hit “continue” and the video continues to the next part. | tesla have stated about trying to reduce that introduction period. probably supplementing with video tutorials and such. but yes streamlining is one thing but sounds like they failing to find a good balance just yet | 88 | 2 | 2,537 |
8pe9sb | 52 | Concerns about Tesla s New Mass Delivery System My cousin who s closer to my dads age than mine picked up his Model 3 at the delivery center in Marina Del Ray Los Angeles area yesterday morning. I got there about half way through the presentation and after they took him out to see the car but from what I saw of it it wasn t very detailed. They just went through a slide show pointing out where some options are on either the S X or 3 but nothing detailed. When they got to the car charger part they mentioned that with the J1772 charging adapter you can charge with **ANY** charger... I kind of spoke up clarifying that it would not work with CCS or CHAdeMO charging and he seemed a little confused by my question. I had to spend a good hour with my cousin after the presentation going over the menu options and what exactly the car can do. (And I don t even have a Tesla yet). This makes me worried about future deliveries to the non-Tesla obsessed people and not fully understanding how their car will operate. A friend of mine thought the same thing when his mom got her delivery a few weeks ago. Has anyone had the same concerns? | I think Tesla needs to make an in depth video and just play it on the Model 3 screen during delivery. This said video would be saved in the car. Also a sidebar with different topics that will allow the customer to jump to different parts of the video. This way. It s high in information and low on manning requirements to train customers on the car. People will watch the video and drive off once they re done. Hell to go even one step further the video can be **literally** interactive! Ex: talking about the air vents then allowing the customers to literally try it out and *feel* the vents move. Once they re done hit “continue” and the video continues to the next part. | Yeah I agree (took delivery in Marina Del Rey a couple weeks ago). I didn t need the tutorials but there are definitely people who will. I bailed after about a minute of the group presentation when it became abundantly clear that I knew far more about the car than the guy giving the presentation. The guy that actually showed me my car however was great and seemed knowledgeable. But that was pretty short and I didn t really have much to ask him (having already rented one for 24 hours read the entire manual and obsessed here and elsewhere for a year). They need to improve as the less obsessed begin to get their cars. | 88 | 2 | 2,538 |
8pe9sb | 52 | Concerns about Tesla s New Mass Delivery System My cousin who s closer to my dads age than mine picked up his Model 3 at the delivery center in Marina Del Ray Los Angeles area yesterday morning. I got there about half way through the presentation and after they took him out to see the car but from what I saw of it it wasn t very detailed. They just went through a slide show pointing out where some options are on either the S X or 3 but nothing detailed. When they got to the car charger part they mentioned that with the J1772 charging adapter you can charge with **ANY** charger... I kind of spoke up clarifying that it would not work with CCS or CHAdeMO charging and he seemed a little confused by my question. I had to spend a good hour with my cousin after the presentation going over the menu options and what exactly the car can do. (And I don t even have a Tesla yet). This makes me worried about future deliveries to the non-Tesla obsessed people and not fully understanding how their car will operate. A friend of mine thought the same thing when his mom got her delivery a few weeks ago. Has anyone had the same concerns? | I think Tesla needs to make an in depth video and just play it on the Model 3 screen during delivery. This said video would be saved in the car. Also a sidebar with different topics that will allow the customer to jump to different parts of the video. This way. It s high in information and low on manning requirements to train customers on the car. People will watch the video and drive off once they re done. Hell to go even one step further the video can be **literally** interactive! Ex: talking about the air vents then allowing the customers to literally try it out and *feel* the vents move. Once they re done hit “continue” and the video continues to the next part. | Don t they have the full set of tutorial videos online for Model 3? They did for Model S X which were helpful. | 88 | 13 | 2,539 |
8pkmwq | 88 | 2018.21 Vehicle Software Update Megathread 2018.21 began rolling out on June 6 2018 shortly after the shareholders meeting. - The EAP autopilot display now shows vehicles in adjacent lanes but all vehicles are still rendered as cars. It does not display motorcycles or trucks differently. - EAP cars should automatically slow down for interchanges and on off ramps. - The put your hands on the wheel warning has changed. Instead of a white border around the driver s binnacle it s now a white glow at the top of the binnacle screen. Let us know if there are more changes! Fun fact: This update was released in week 23 of 2018 despite the 2018.21 version number. | Does the display show adjacent cars if you don t have EAP? | Electrek just posted a video. I didn t watch the whole thing but the adjacent vehicle detection looks wonky when cars pass you or you pass cars. Seems like there s a big lag between side detection and actually showing the vehicle on screen - like there s poor handoff between radar and vision (or side camera main camera). Curious to hear from folks who actually have the update. | 29 | 3 | 2,540 |
8pneia | 323 | If your charging is done don t just unplug your car and walk away move it to an empty spot. Earlier today at a busy charging station this guy walked over to his car and unplugged it then went back to the mall. Didn t move his car at all. If you do this you re just as bad as those ICE vehicles that park in charging spots. | Assuming you re talking about a supercharger plug them back in. The car doesn t need to be unlocked in order for the button on the handle to open the charge port. | I think this is why some superchargers have attendants. Once AP 2.0+ has improved and the superchargers can connect and disconnect themselves I foresee queuing up the cars and getting out. That way when a spot frees up the car will park in a free spot and the next car will go into the slot and charge (all autonomously). | 66 | 11 | 2,541 |
8pneia | 323 | If your charging is done don t just unplug your car and walk away move it to an empty spot. Earlier today at a busy charging station this guy walked over to his car and unplugged it then went back to the mall. Didn t move his car at all. If you do this you re just as bad as those ICE vehicles that park in charging spots. | Assuming you re talking about a supercharger plug them back in. The car doesn t need to be unlocked in order for the button on the handle to open the charge port. | I imagine a small demon and a small angel on your shoulders saying buy it! and no it would be wrong to touch his car no matter how rude he s being! as you consider putting 4 of these in the shopping cart: [https: www.harborfreight.com 1250\\-lb\\-capacity\\-vehicle\\-positioning\\-wheel\\-dolly\\-61917.html](https: www.harborfreight.com 1250-lb-capacity-vehicle-positioning-wheel-dolly-61917.html) | 66 | 21 | 2,542 |
8poe9y | 35 | Leaving my MX P100D uncharged for 7 weeks... ... as I m going on a family trip. It ll be parked securely in our apartment space which unfortunately does not have any charging options. This will be the longest I will have left it without charging so its a bit daunting. The manual says a discharge of 1% per day so I ll do my best to accomodate that but has anyone else had any experience leaving their vehicle for extended periods? Any tips? | Charge it to max daily usage level (90% on a Model 3 assume same for Model X) then leave it. It ll be fine. The car will go into a deep sleep so long as you don t keep checking on it with the app. If you have the app widget make sure you disable remove it until you re back so it isn t unintentionally waking the car in the background. And make sure the app is set to not run in the background too. | I left my car unplugged for a few weeks when I went to Europe and I didn t have any issues. I d charge it up before you leave to make sure phantom drain doesn t fully deplete the battery. Other than that it should be fine. Try not to check on it too often as that wakes the car and will cause more power draw. It might be good to have a backup plan in the event that the phantom drain is higher than expected. Is there a family member in town you can leave a key fob with? If you check it remotely and the battery is super low maybe they can visit a charger for you during your trip. | 38 | 6 | 2,543 |
8poo86 | 44 | When do you use autopilot and how often Model 3 owner here. Despite paying $5k for autopilot I seldom use it. I basically only use it to marvel at the technology or show off to friends. Perhaps it s the lack of trust in it still but I m finding myself preferring my own self auto-pilot (driving while mentally zoned out) because it s tried and true safe for 2 decades now. When I m on the Tesla autopilot I find myself way more tense and on my toes waiting to take over probably due to lack of control. This makes it a much less relaxing experience then normal driving. I know that I m just doing it wrong. I just need advice. When are you guys autopiloting and how often? Anyone experiencing the same thing I am or has anyone who s been through the same overcome it over time? | Every day for the past 1.5 years. Actually to be fair Mon-Thu since WFH Friday and mostly local driving on wknds. Cannot imagine life without and will never get another car without it. Source: SoCal resident with a 25 mile one-way commute | Use it frequently but turn it off when I approach odd onramps or offramps. Also adjust vehicle length depending on speed and merging traffic. It s amazing for stop and go and I m finding it pretty great for normal highway driving as well. I do not use it unsafely. Hand on the bottom of the wheel applying pressure occasionally to make the sensors happy. | 48 | 2 | 2,544 |
8poo86 | 44 | When do you use autopilot and how often Model 3 owner here. Despite paying $5k for autopilot I seldom use it. I basically only use it to marvel at the technology or show off to friends. Perhaps it s the lack of trust in it still but I m finding myself preferring my own self auto-pilot (driving while mentally zoned out) because it s tried and true safe for 2 decades now. When I m on the Tesla autopilot I find myself way more tense and on my toes waiting to take over probably due to lack of control. This makes it a much less relaxing experience then normal driving. I know that I m just doing it wrong. I just need advice. When are you guys autopiloting and how often? Anyone experiencing the same thing I am or has anyone who s been through the same overcome it over time? | Every day for the past 1.5 years. Actually to be fair Mon-Thu since WFH Friday and mostly local driving on wknds. Cannot imagine life without and will never get another car without it. Source: SoCal resident with a 25 mile one-way commute | I commute on a two-lane road most of the way and I use traffic-aware cruise control a lot but not auto-steer because it gets too close to the center line and makes me nervous. | 48 | 9 | 2,545 |
8poo86 | 44 | When do you use autopilot and how often Model 3 owner here. Despite paying $5k for autopilot I seldom use it. I basically only use it to marvel at the technology or show off to friends. Perhaps it s the lack of trust in it still but I m finding myself preferring my own self auto-pilot (driving while mentally zoned out) because it s tried and true safe for 2 decades now. When I m on the Tesla autopilot I find myself way more tense and on my toes waiting to take over probably due to lack of control. This makes it a much less relaxing experience then normal driving. I know that I m just doing it wrong. I just need advice. When are you guys autopiloting and how often? Anyone experiencing the same thing I am or has anyone who s been through the same overcome it over time? | It s weird to buy a car that s fun to drive then enable the computers to drive for you. Give it time as the joy of the new car wears off and you ll hand over driving more and more as you gain comfort in AutoPilot. Or go on an interstate road trip this weekend and you ll enjoy having it. | Use it frequently but turn it off when I approach odd onramps or offramps. Also adjust vehicle length depending on speed and merging traffic. It s amazing for stop and go and I m finding it pretty great for normal highway driving as well. I do not use it unsafely. Hand on the bottom of the wheel applying pressure occasionally to make the sensors happy. | 33 | 2 | 2,546 |
8ppvjo | 46 | Police radar and forward collision warning I was driving with autopilot on the highway with no other vehicles close to me I initiated an auto lane change and in the middle of the lane change the forward collision warning sounded. I looked over and up ahead and their was an officer at the side of the road using radar. Is it possible this would have triggered the collision warning? Is this a bug or a feature? | It s not caused by the police radar. Tesla s radar is millimeter wave operating at 77GHz. Police radar is either Ka band (33-36GHz) K band (24.15 GHz) or X band (10.525 GHz). It might have just been reacting to a stopped car or a foreign stationary object before realizing it s not in your lane. Automotive short range radar is pulse and frequency coded too. Your car recognizes its own unique radar signals because of an embedded pattern it transmits. It won t confuse that even with another car operating on the same radar frequency. | You got a warning... could radar trigger AEB? That would be scary. | 38 | 2 | 2,547 |
8ppvjo | 46 | Police radar and forward collision warning I was driving with autopilot on the highway with no other vehicles close to me I initiated an auto lane change and in the middle of the lane change the forward collision warning sounded. I looked over and up ahead and their was an officer at the side of the road using radar. Is it possible this would have triggered the collision warning? Is this a bug or a feature? | It s not caused by the police radar. Tesla s radar is millimeter wave operating at 77GHz. Police radar is either Ka band (33-36GHz) K band (24.15 GHz) or X band (10.525 GHz). It might have just been reacting to a stopped car or a foreign stationary object before realizing it s not in your lane. Automotive short range radar is pulse and frequency coded too. Your car recognizes its own unique radar signals because of an embedded pattern it transmits. It won t confuse that even with another car operating on the same radar frequency. | This one would be relatively easy to test. Anyone have a police officer friend? | 38 | 2 | 2,548 |
8ppvjo | 46 | Police radar and forward collision warning I was driving with autopilot on the highway with no other vehicles close to me I initiated an auto lane change and in the middle of the lane change the forward collision warning sounded. I looked over and up ahead and their was an officer at the side of the road using radar. Is it possible this would have triggered the collision warning? Is this a bug or a feature? | It s not caused by the police radar. Tesla s radar is millimeter wave operating at 77GHz. Police radar is either Ka band (33-36GHz) K band (24.15 GHz) or X band (10.525 GHz). It might have just been reacting to a stopped car or a foreign stationary object before realizing it s not in your lane. Automotive short range radar is pulse and frequency coded too. Your car recognizes its own unique radar signals because of an embedded pattern it transmits. It won t confuse that even with another car operating on the same radar frequency. | It s usually overhead signs in the distance | 38 | 2 | 2,549 |
8pt35e | 25 | Owning a Tesla as a renter Been lurking on this subreddit for some time. I m looking to own a Tesla in about a year or so when I finish paying off student loans. Issue is I plan to rent my apartment for a while until I settle somewhere. Is it possible to own a Tesla as a renter considering I probably can t install a charger since it s not my property? Are there other Tesla owners out there that rent as well? | I m a renter I own a Model 3 and I charge at my rental with an outlet that I had installed after moving in. My tips: * Rent from a person not a big company. Individual landlords are much more flexible and kind. * When shopping for a rental ask the landlord if they would be open to installing a better outlet if you pay for it. This has two benefits: 1. You ll get to know up front if they are supportive or hesitant. 2. You may make yourself look like a better tenant since you re literally planning to improve the landlord s property at no cost to them. Any landlord should appreciate this since most tenants leave the property much worse off when they are done. My story: Last time I moved I knew I wanted to buy a Tesla in a year or two. So I specifically looked for a place with a garage and an outlet. I was hoping for an electric dryer outlet (typically 30 amps) but I could only find a place with an ordinary 110v 15A hookup. That was good enough as a backup. But then when I bought the car I asked my landlord if he would allow me to install a better outlet as long as I paid for it. He was happy to allow me. He even recommended an electrician and helped me get the permits. The installation cost $700 total. This is in the Bay Area Silicon Valley where everything is more expensive. | Heavily depends on how much you drive how close your closest supercharger is and whether you can charge at work. Some people make it work but it s obviously not nearly as convenient as just charging at home. | 34 | 2 | 2,550 |
8pt35e | 25 | Owning a Tesla as a renter Been lurking on this subreddit for some time. I m looking to own a Tesla in about a year or so when I finish paying off student loans. Issue is I plan to rent my apartment for a while until I settle somewhere. Is it possible to own a Tesla as a renter considering I probably can t install a charger since it s not my property? Are there other Tesla owners out there that rent as well? | I m a renter I own a Model 3 and I charge at my rental with an outlet that I had installed after moving in. My tips: * Rent from a person not a big company. Individual landlords are much more flexible and kind. * When shopping for a rental ask the landlord if they would be open to installing a better outlet if you pay for it. This has two benefits: 1. You ll get to know up front if they are supportive or hesitant. 2. You may make yourself look like a better tenant since you re literally planning to improve the landlord s property at no cost to them. Any landlord should appreciate this since most tenants leave the property much worse off when they are done. My story: Last time I moved I knew I wanted to buy a Tesla in a year or two. So I specifically looked for a place with a garage and an outlet. I was hoping for an electric dryer outlet (typically 30 amps) but I could only find a place with an ordinary 110v 15A hookup. That was good enough as a backup. But then when I bought the car I asked my landlord if he would allow me to install a better outlet as long as I paid for it. He was happy to allow me. He even recommended an electrician and helped me get the permits. The installation cost $700 total. This is in the Bay Area Silicon Valley where everything is more expensive. | Not a renter but I would imagine it would be difficult. You shouldn t change your lifestyle to charge a car imo. Your time is more valuable than to sit at a charger to charge your vehicle. | 34 | 5 | 2,551 |
8pt35e | 25 | Owning a Tesla as a renter Been lurking on this subreddit for some time. I m looking to own a Tesla in about a year or so when I finish paying off student loans. Issue is I plan to rent my apartment for a while until I settle somewhere. Is it possible to own a Tesla as a renter considering I probably can t install a charger since it s not my property? Are there other Tesla owners out there that rent as well? | I m a renter I own a Model 3 and I charge at my rental with an outlet that I had installed after moving in. My tips: * Rent from a person not a big company. Individual landlords are much more flexible and kind. * When shopping for a rental ask the landlord if they would be open to installing a better outlet if you pay for it. This has two benefits: 1. You ll get to know up front if they are supportive or hesitant. 2. You may make yourself look like a better tenant since you re literally planning to improve the landlord s property at no cost to them. Any landlord should appreciate this since most tenants leave the property much worse off when they are done. My story: Last time I moved I knew I wanted to buy a Tesla in a year or two. So I specifically looked for a place with a garage and an outlet. I was hoping for an electric dryer outlet (typically 30 amps) but I could only find a place with an ordinary 110v 15A hookup. That was good enough as a backup. But then when I bought the car I asked my landlord if he would allow me to install a better outlet as long as I paid for it. He was happy to allow me. He even recommended an electrician and helped me get the permits. The installation cost $700 total. This is in the Bay Area Silicon Valley where everything is more expensive. | I had my reservation in as a renter. Knew it wasn t practical as the market i live in barely has any level 2 chargers. I built a house last year in anticipation of getting a model 3. I knew it wouldn t be practical at this time of early adoption until EV s take off more. Once that happens i would image most apartment complexes will start putting in EV charging as they are more widely adopted. That or the urban superchargers will start to get more popular etc. Supermarket charging etc. Depending on how much you drive you might be able to live with 110 during the week and then top off at a supercharger if there is one relatively close by. Obviously if the outlet you charge with as a renter isn t on your electric meter you will need to work out something with management. | 34 | 6 | 2,552 |
8ptqir | 257 | We have crossed 10 000 supercharger stalls worldwide! According to [supercharge.info](https: supercharge.info) Tesla has crossed 10 000 open supercharger stalls worldwide. Here s to the next 10 000! Update: Tesla s supercharging page also shows 10 021 stalls open at [https: www.tesla.com supercharger](https: www.tesla.com supercharger) | Why does virtually no one in the media seem to understand how massive this is? They constantly talk about Tesla killers . It s meaningless. Can BMW Porsche etc. make a great electric car? I m sure they can. But they ain t Tesla killing shit if you can t drive it cross country. Period. Full stop. The investment Tesla has made in the supercharger network puts them years and years ahead of everyone else. Why does the media not understand this critical difference? I don t want a Porsche electric vehicle I can only use as a commuter car. | Great news! I just have to wonder will Charleston ever get a Supercharger? It was supposed to be by the end of 2017. Maybe if it gets delayed even more it ll be a V3 SC? | 40 | 6 | 2,553 |
8pxai1 | 184 | Elon: Using the config you describe plus an electric pump to replenish air in COPV when car power draw drops below max pack power output makes sense. But we are going to go a lot further. Following up on SpaceX mode in 2020 Roadster. [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1005585154373386240](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1005585154373386240) | He s.... actually.... building.... a road legal.... rocket assisted car. Think about that for a second and let it sink in. Because he just cranked it up to 11. Any guesses on a 0-60 time? Depending on actual thrust maybe under 1.3-1.5 seconds. Because if you think about it the initial acceleration is where you have the hardest time to “hook up” a thruster would help get you up to speed and to the point where you have better traction. And at what point does the car come standard with a G suit? | https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8pwg7r elon_spacex_option_package_for_new_tesla_roadster | 61 | 3 | 2,554 |
8pxai1 | 184 | Elon: Using the config you describe plus an electric pump to replenish air in COPV when car power draw drops below max pack power output makes sense. But we are going to go a lot further. Following up on SpaceX mode in 2020 Roadster. [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1005585154373386240](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1005585154373386240) | He s.... actually.... building.... a road legal.... rocket assisted car. Think about that for a second and let it sink in. Because he just cranked it up to 11. Any guesses on a 0-60 time? Depending on actual thrust maybe under 1.3-1.5 seconds. Because if you think about it the initial acceleration is where you have the hardest time to “hook up” a thruster would help get you up to speed and to the point where you have better traction. And at what point does the car come standard with a G suit? | Whoever s rich buy me one thanks 🙏 | 61 | 17 | 2,555 |
8pxai1 | 184 | Elon: Using the config you describe plus an electric pump to replenish air in COPV when car power draw drops below max pack power output makes sense. But we are going to go a lot further. Following up on SpaceX mode in 2020 Roadster. [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1005585154373386240](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1005585154373386240) | Bosch is testing a really [innovative idea](https: m.youtube.com watch?v=QZqePriZYg8& time_continue=21) idea for active safety systems of motorcycles that uses gas jets to compensate for loss of traction. I bet it s related... | https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8pwg7r elon_spacex_option_package_for_new_tesla_roadster | 38 | 3 | 2,556 |
8q9flv | 236 | Replying to 2018.21.9 15s AP nags: Sigh. This is crux of matter: can t make system too annoying or people won t use it negatively affecting safety but also can t allow people to get too complacent or safety again suffers. Latest update should have a positive effect on latter issue especially. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1005879049493725186?s=09 | [Nags are increased](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8py1jq 2018219_autopilot_nag_frequency_shortened ) and sensitivity of [hand detection is better](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=UdSWIn4PRzM). If you want to reduce complacency and increase safety these are good changes. | Starting to seem like cabin camera needs to become a workable solution. If the car can see you watching the road I think ideally you should be able to keep your hands off the wheel entirely. Sadly didn t he say that they abandoned the idea because they couldn t get it to work properly? | 98 | 25 | 2,557 |
8q9flv | 236 | Replying to 2018.21.9 15s AP nags: Sigh. This is crux of matter: can t make system too annoying or people won t use it negatively affecting safety but also can t allow people to get too complacent or safety again suffers. Latest update should have a positive effect on latter issue especially. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1005879049493725186?s=09 | Honestly just did a couple of road trips and I don t see how people have such an issue with keeping the hand on the wheel. I put my elbow on the window sill then lay my hand across the spoke of the steering wheel. The weight of my hand provides ample weight. It s remarkably similar to my normal non-autopilot road trip position only I don t have to steer. Very few notices on the order of less than half a dozen in a 3 hour trip and almost all in places where it could have conceivably not had enough information. If anything the notifications on the screen are a little light. The initial one you practically have to be looking at the screen to see - low and on the left. Second one is the blue highlight and that s not a lot better - I m not looking there I m on cruise only the change in color is getting me. Have the whole screen change color that gets the attention. | I just got the 2018.21.9 update last night on my AP1 car. I can t say yet that I notice any difference (I did go for much longer than 15s without a nag though it was on a back street and not highway). So I wonder if these changes are only for AP2. The only new item in my release notes was regarding how updates are applied to the mobile connector. | 55 | 3 | 2,558 |
8q9flv | 236 | Replying to 2018.21.9 15s AP nags: Sigh. This is crux of matter: can t make system too annoying or people won t use it negatively affecting safety but also can t allow people to get too complacent or safety again suffers. Latest update should have a positive effect on latter issue especially. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1005879049493725186?s=09 | Honestly just did a couple of road trips and I don t see how people have such an issue with keeping the hand on the wheel. I put my elbow on the window sill then lay my hand across the spoke of the steering wheel. The weight of my hand provides ample weight. It s remarkably similar to my normal non-autopilot road trip position only I don t have to steer. Very few notices on the order of less than half a dozen in a 3 hour trip and almost all in places where it could have conceivably not had enough information. If anything the notifications on the screen are a little light. The initial one you practically have to be looking at the screen to see - low and on the left. Second one is the blue highlight and that s not a lot better - I m not looking there I m on cruise only the change in color is getting me. Have the whole screen change color that gets the attention. | People will use it if they paid for it. Unfortunately they ll use it with defeat devices attached to the steering wheel. | 55 | 5 | 2,559 |
8qakx5 | 789 | Just completed my first Tesla road trip some thoughts! (2500+ miles) Hey fellow Tesla enthusiasts I took delivery of my Model 3 in January and had planned to take a road trip sometime later. It ended up working out best for my wife and I to depart mid-May and return 2-3 weeks later. [Spoiler: here is the road trip data from the car.](https: i.imgur.com TNfzmkm.jpg) 1. This car is perfect for road tripping. 95% of the time I am supercharged and ready to go under 30 minutes and it is ample time for a quick coffee bathroom break sometimes a snack and maybe a quick jog or a few pushups. Frankly I think this makes driving longer distances much safer. By splitting up 3-4 hours chunks of driving with 30 minute breaks I found myself being able to go about 250 miles further in a single day even though I was losing time charging. 2. Camper Mode. Ahhhh this was a fun experiment. I had not found much information on Camper Mode on TMC or on here so I went into this knowing I would be really figuring this out on the fly. We arrived to a supercharger around 11:00pm one night charged to 80% moved to a nearby non-charger parking spot put the rear seats down and went to sleep. We set the car to 68 F and I set a timer on my phone for 35 minutes. At exactly 30 minutes the A C shut off. At this point I set the A C from my phone and reset the timer so I could wake back up and check again. It ran the entire night! Woohoo! We woke up at 6:00am with 69%. 3. Sleeping in a Model 3. I have laid down flat in a Model S and X before and those are comfy large areas to lay down when the seats are down (6 2 and wife is 5 4 ). The Model 3 is a different story. I could not lay flat and had to bend my knees. I found myself tossing and turning throughout the night and didn t sleep particularly well. I believe if you re over 6 and road-tripping alone you might find it more comfortable to sleep diagonally and fully extend your legs. My wife said she slept like a baby and would like to do it again sometime. I voted for a Tesla Destination Charger hotel on future nights. 4. Fellow Tesla owners at superchargers! Such great folks. I met so many fellow Model 3 owners with VINs ranging from 8 000 - 19 000. Every single Model 3 color is beautiful. I own the midnight silver but seeing red blue white and the rest of the spectrum in person ... there is simply not a bad looking Model 3. And as I discussed with many other owners the car sells itself. I d say for every 3 owners I met a stranger would approach the car and ask Is this the Model 3? and they would be all about it. Tesla cars and their owners really are the best sale people. -) 5. Autopilot. On the interstate and highways I was driving 99% of the time with EAP engaged. There were only two strange EAP incidents. I was going over a rolling interstate hill at 75mph and there was a slight curve at the top and rather than follow the lines the car drifted and quickly jerked the wheel to correct. The majority of my EAP experiences have been smooth and subtle but this was the one that was jerky and sudden. The more serious issue was when I was traveling 70mph on a straight interstate with no cars in the neighboring lane and no cars either 100m in front or behind me and EAP just slammed on the brakes down to 35mph. I had my hands on the wheel but my foot was resting so I quickly picked it up and hit the ~~gas~~ accelerator but this was a really really bizarre occurrence. 6. Superchargers. A few comments on these. Most locations rock and have many amenities and choices. Others may only a hotel and an Applebee s. I did run into a supercharger that was a store service center and charger all-in-one. Including ... a supercharger break room! [Pictures here.](https: imgur.com a 8yORSAI) This was a really pleasant surprise and a welcome cup of coffee. On the other hand I did run into one of these later on in the trip (a 3-in-1 location) that was not so ideal. There were only six superchargers and they were all full. I pull into a neighboring spot with my window down waiting for a spot to open up. A Tesla employee (delivery specialist maybe?) runs out to move a Model X from the charger and I ask Excuse me sir may I charge now? to which he replies No sorry we are charging these for new customers... then he paused waited a second and changed his answer to Go ahead. I was about to be pretty upset as we were on a timetable to make it to our next stop only to be delayed by Tesla employees hogging superchargers for themselves. This only happened once of many many charging stops but nonetheless interesting. As Model 3 production ramps and more and more customers road trip or charge at superchargers I m curious what comes of this. West Coast folks I got a small taste of your pain. 7. Supercharging cost. Quick comment here is just on the fluctuation of prices. I typically always charged from 15-20% to 80-85% and in some states it was as cheap as $3 in other states as much as $7.50. That s all! Thanks for taking the time to read and I hope I provided some insightful information. To all current owners you guys rock and it was fun meeting so many people at superchargers. To future owners you are going to love your ne Tesla. They absolutely rock. [This Model 3 signing off!](https: i.imgur.com 1rydtCQ.jpg) :-) edit: strikethrough | Thanks for your post! I look forward to the day that I pay $3\\-7.50 to charge up a car vs the $40 a week on my current BMW 535i although I may have to find another reason to go to Costco then! And as a 6 4 male I may have a hard time doing the camping mode in the back with the fiancee. | nice write up. thanks. As I have a Model S on order I am enjoying reading all these experiences. | 107 | 14 | 2,560 |
8qakx5 | 789 | Just completed my first Tesla road trip some thoughts! (2500+ miles) Hey fellow Tesla enthusiasts I took delivery of my Model 3 in January and had planned to take a road trip sometime later. It ended up working out best for my wife and I to depart mid-May and return 2-3 weeks later. [Spoiler: here is the road trip data from the car.](https: i.imgur.com TNfzmkm.jpg) 1. This car is perfect for road tripping. 95% of the time I am supercharged and ready to go under 30 minutes and it is ample time for a quick coffee bathroom break sometimes a snack and maybe a quick jog or a few pushups. Frankly I think this makes driving longer distances much safer. By splitting up 3-4 hours chunks of driving with 30 minute breaks I found myself being able to go about 250 miles further in a single day even though I was losing time charging. 2. Camper Mode. Ahhhh this was a fun experiment. I had not found much information on Camper Mode on TMC or on here so I went into this knowing I would be really figuring this out on the fly. We arrived to a supercharger around 11:00pm one night charged to 80% moved to a nearby non-charger parking spot put the rear seats down and went to sleep. We set the car to 68 F and I set a timer on my phone for 35 minutes. At exactly 30 minutes the A C shut off. At this point I set the A C from my phone and reset the timer so I could wake back up and check again. It ran the entire night! Woohoo! We woke up at 6:00am with 69%. 3. Sleeping in a Model 3. I have laid down flat in a Model S and X before and those are comfy large areas to lay down when the seats are down (6 2 and wife is 5 4 ). The Model 3 is a different story. I could not lay flat and had to bend my knees. I found myself tossing and turning throughout the night and didn t sleep particularly well. I believe if you re over 6 and road-tripping alone you might find it more comfortable to sleep diagonally and fully extend your legs. My wife said she slept like a baby and would like to do it again sometime. I voted for a Tesla Destination Charger hotel on future nights. 4. Fellow Tesla owners at superchargers! Such great folks. I met so many fellow Model 3 owners with VINs ranging from 8 000 - 19 000. Every single Model 3 color is beautiful. I own the midnight silver but seeing red blue white and the rest of the spectrum in person ... there is simply not a bad looking Model 3. And as I discussed with many other owners the car sells itself. I d say for every 3 owners I met a stranger would approach the car and ask Is this the Model 3? and they would be all about it. Tesla cars and their owners really are the best sale people. -) 5. Autopilot. On the interstate and highways I was driving 99% of the time with EAP engaged. There were only two strange EAP incidents. I was going over a rolling interstate hill at 75mph and there was a slight curve at the top and rather than follow the lines the car drifted and quickly jerked the wheel to correct. The majority of my EAP experiences have been smooth and subtle but this was the one that was jerky and sudden. The more serious issue was when I was traveling 70mph on a straight interstate with no cars in the neighboring lane and no cars either 100m in front or behind me and EAP just slammed on the brakes down to 35mph. I had my hands on the wheel but my foot was resting so I quickly picked it up and hit the ~~gas~~ accelerator but this was a really really bizarre occurrence. 6. Superchargers. A few comments on these. Most locations rock and have many amenities and choices. Others may only a hotel and an Applebee s. I did run into a supercharger that was a store service center and charger all-in-one. Including ... a supercharger break room! [Pictures here.](https: imgur.com a 8yORSAI) This was a really pleasant surprise and a welcome cup of coffee. On the other hand I did run into one of these later on in the trip (a 3-in-1 location) that was not so ideal. There were only six superchargers and they were all full. I pull into a neighboring spot with my window down waiting for a spot to open up. A Tesla employee (delivery specialist maybe?) runs out to move a Model X from the charger and I ask Excuse me sir may I charge now? to which he replies No sorry we are charging these for new customers... then he paused waited a second and changed his answer to Go ahead. I was about to be pretty upset as we were on a timetable to make it to our next stop only to be delayed by Tesla employees hogging superchargers for themselves. This only happened once of many many charging stops but nonetheless interesting. As Model 3 production ramps and more and more customers road trip or charge at superchargers I m curious what comes of this. West Coast folks I got a small taste of your pain. 7. Supercharging cost. Quick comment here is just on the fluctuation of prices. I typically always charged from 15-20% to 80-85% and in some states it was as cheap as $3 in other states as much as $7.50. That s all! Thanks for taking the time to read and I hope I provided some insightful information. To all current owners you guys rock and it was fun meeting so many people at superchargers. To future owners you are going to love your ne Tesla. They absolutely rock. [This Model 3 signing off!](https: i.imgur.com 1rydtCQ.jpg) :-) edit: strikethrough | Thanks for your post! I look forward to the day that I pay $3\\-7.50 to charge up a car vs the $40 a week on my current BMW 535i although I may have to find another reason to go to Costco then! And as a 6 4 male I may have a hard time doing the camping mode in the back with the fiancee. | Thanks for sharing! Sounds like a blast. For sleeping did you use any kind of pad or mattress or just sleep on the seats directly? | 107 | 49 | 2,561 |
8qakx5 | 789 | Just completed my first Tesla road trip some thoughts! (2500+ miles) Hey fellow Tesla enthusiasts I took delivery of my Model 3 in January and had planned to take a road trip sometime later. It ended up working out best for my wife and I to depart mid-May and return 2-3 weeks later. [Spoiler: here is the road trip data from the car.](https: i.imgur.com TNfzmkm.jpg) 1. This car is perfect for road tripping. 95% of the time I am supercharged and ready to go under 30 minutes and it is ample time for a quick coffee bathroom break sometimes a snack and maybe a quick jog or a few pushups. Frankly I think this makes driving longer distances much safer. By splitting up 3-4 hours chunks of driving with 30 minute breaks I found myself being able to go about 250 miles further in a single day even though I was losing time charging. 2. Camper Mode. Ahhhh this was a fun experiment. I had not found much information on Camper Mode on TMC or on here so I went into this knowing I would be really figuring this out on the fly. We arrived to a supercharger around 11:00pm one night charged to 80% moved to a nearby non-charger parking spot put the rear seats down and went to sleep. We set the car to 68 F and I set a timer on my phone for 35 minutes. At exactly 30 minutes the A C shut off. At this point I set the A C from my phone and reset the timer so I could wake back up and check again. It ran the entire night! Woohoo! We woke up at 6:00am with 69%. 3. Sleeping in a Model 3. I have laid down flat in a Model S and X before and those are comfy large areas to lay down when the seats are down (6 2 and wife is 5 4 ). The Model 3 is a different story. I could not lay flat and had to bend my knees. I found myself tossing and turning throughout the night and didn t sleep particularly well. I believe if you re over 6 and road-tripping alone you might find it more comfortable to sleep diagonally and fully extend your legs. My wife said she slept like a baby and would like to do it again sometime. I voted for a Tesla Destination Charger hotel on future nights. 4. Fellow Tesla owners at superchargers! Such great folks. I met so many fellow Model 3 owners with VINs ranging from 8 000 - 19 000. Every single Model 3 color is beautiful. I own the midnight silver but seeing red blue white and the rest of the spectrum in person ... there is simply not a bad looking Model 3. And as I discussed with many other owners the car sells itself. I d say for every 3 owners I met a stranger would approach the car and ask Is this the Model 3? and they would be all about it. Tesla cars and their owners really are the best sale people. -) 5. Autopilot. On the interstate and highways I was driving 99% of the time with EAP engaged. There were only two strange EAP incidents. I was going over a rolling interstate hill at 75mph and there was a slight curve at the top and rather than follow the lines the car drifted and quickly jerked the wheel to correct. The majority of my EAP experiences have been smooth and subtle but this was the one that was jerky and sudden. The more serious issue was when I was traveling 70mph on a straight interstate with no cars in the neighboring lane and no cars either 100m in front or behind me and EAP just slammed on the brakes down to 35mph. I had my hands on the wheel but my foot was resting so I quickly picked it up and hit the ~~gas~~ accelerator but this was a really really bizarre occurrence. 6. Superchargers. A few comments on these. Most locations rock and have many amenities and choices. Others may only a hotel and an Applebee s. I did run into a supercharger that was a store service center and charger all-in-one. Including ... a supercharger break room! [Pictures here.](https: imgur.com a 8yORSAI) This was a really pleasant surprise and a welcome cup of coffee. On the other hand I did run into one of these later on in the trip (a 3-in-1 location) that was not so ideal. There were only six superchargers and they were all full. I pull into a neighboring spot with my window down waiting for a spot to open up. A Tesla employee (delivery specialist maybe?) runs out to move a Model X from the charger and I ask Excuse me sir may I charge now? to which he replies No sorry we are charging these for new customers... then he paused waited a second and changed his answer to Go ahead. I was about to be pretty upset as we were on a timetable to make it to our next stop only to be delayed by Tesla employees hogging superchargers for themselves. This only happened once of many many charging stops but nonetheless interesting. As Model 3 production ramps and more and more customers road trip or charge at superchargers I m curious what comes of this. West Coast folks I got a small taste of your pain. 7. Supercharging cost. Quick comment here is just on the fluctuation of prices. I typically always charged from 15-20% to 80-85% and in some states it was as cheap as $3 in other states as much as $7.50. That s all! Thanks for taking the time to read and I hope I provided some insightful information. To all current owners you guys rock and it was fun meeting so many people at superchargers. To future owners you are going to love your ne Tesla. They absolutely rock. [This Model 3 signing off!](https: i.imgur.com 1rydtCQ.jpg) :-) edit: strikethrough | Thanks for sharing! Sounds like a blast. For sleeping did you use any kind of pad or mattress or just sleep on the seats directly? | nice write up. thanks. As I have a Model S on order I am enjoying reading all these experiences. | 49 | 14 | 2,562 |
8qjp4t | 88 | Traditional Automakers still lack OTA updates.... Currently sitting at the BMW dealership waiting for my i3 to get a software update because the current software won t accept the low cost charging option. As a Georgia resident it is imperative this works. The difference in peak hours vs. EV rates is nearly $0.20kwh. I ve been having to stay up till 11:00pm every night to wait to plug in car. Determined it needed a software update to fix but have to go to the dealership to get fixed. This is absolutely ridiculous. Glad Model S has continually improved while sitting in garage. The end is near for the conventional automakers. | They could do OTA tomorrow a lot of cars have cellular with OnStar and similar systems... the problem is their relationship with dealers. They won t do OTA because then the dealer doesn t get a chance to sell you a newer car or do an inspection and try to sell you more service. It s an outdated business model not a technical challenge. | Any car manufacturer can make electric cars. What makes Tesla stand out is not just it s hardware (the car itself) but the software behind it. Other companies will have so much trouble in that area that is where Tesla is leap frogs ahead of everyone else. | 68 | 3 | 2,563 |
8qjp4t | 88 | Traditional Automakers still lack OTA updates.... Currently sitting at the BMW dealership waiting for my i3 to get a software update because the current software won t accept the low cost charging option. As a Georgia resident it is imperative this works. The difference in peak hours vs. EV rates is nearly $0.20kwh. I ve been having to stay up till 11:00pm every night to wait to plug in car. Determined it needed a software update to fix but have to go to the dealership to get fixed. This is absolutely ridiculous. Glad Model S has continually improved while sitting in garage. The end is near for the conventional automakers. | They could do OTA tomorrow a lot of cars have cellular with OnStar and similar systems... the problem is their relationship with dealers. They won t do OTA because then the dealer doesn t get a chance to sell you a newer car or do an inspection and try to sell you more service. It s an outdated business model not a technical challenge. | A few manufacturers today are able to update their infotainment systems over the air. Jaguar seems to be the first that will be able to update their battery management software OTA as well. I m not aware of any manufacturer going as far as Tesla though with the amount of things they have shown to be able to update. Edit: typo | 68 | 7 | 2,564 |
8qjp4t | 88 | Traditional Automakers still lack OTA updates.... Currently sitting at the BMW dealership waiting for my i3 to get a software update because the current software won t accept the low cost charging option. As a Georgia resident it is imperative this works. The difference in peak hours vs. EV rates is nearly $0.20kwh. I ve been having to stay up till 11:00pm every night to wait to plug in car. Determined it needed a software update to fix but have to go to the dealership to get fixed. This is absolutely ridiculous. Glad Model S has continually improved while sitting in garage. The end is near for the conventional automakers. | > The end is near for the conventional automakers. r teslamotors come for the car stay for the hyperbole. | > As a Georgia resident it is imperative this works. The difference in peak hours vs. EV rates is nearly $0.20kwh. When I looked into the special EV rate plan I noticed you get a big discount at night but a big increase during the day. It didn t seem worth it given that by far my biggest load is the air conditioner running during hot afternoons. How do you manage that? | 43 | 2 | 2,565 |
8qqa1b | 306 | Autopilot saves I see a lot of press about autopilot fails so I thought I d share my autopilot save. I was traveling west on the 10 freeway in Los Angeles. Traffic wasn t too bad and we were moving along about 60 MPH with autopilot engaged. Unexpectedly my Model 3 started quickly but smoothly slowing down even though the car in front of me wasn t. Just as I was starting to wonder why perhaps half a second later the car in front of me *slammed* on the brakes and skidded to a stop narrowly avoiding a collision with the car in front of it. My car then smoothly came to a stop with plenty of space to spare. The Model 3 clearly detected (perhaps by radar?) that traffic ahead of the car in front of me was coming to a stop. I m not sure what would have happened had we been in our other ICE car. | > perhaps by radar? Yup. Radar system can see two cars ahead. | Is this behavior AP only or part of the emergency braking? | 94 | 11 | 2,566 |
8qr4aq | 21 | Let s talk about the «Tesla mindset» 😬 Hey everyone I m a huge Tesla fan and what strikes me the most is how similar the people who re buying Tesla cars are. I mean pretty much everyone I know who have one are also tech\\-focused guys I would say almost futurist one behavior that we don t see in any other car company or a product in general. It s interesting to see how the people are targeted naturally… Am I the only one that noticed that ? Tesla owners here on Reddit are you feeling the same way ? Anyway hope that I ll be able to join the family one day 😅 | In a nutshell Tesla owners are smart successful savvy and sexy. edit ... and also have huge dongs | I ve been called worse. | 53 | 7 | 2,567 |
8qr4aq | 21 | Let s talk about the «Tesla mindset» 😬 Hey everyone I m a huge Tesla fan and what strikes me the most is how similar the people who re buying Tesla cars are. I mean pretty much everyone I know who have one are also tech\\-focused guys I would say almost futurist one behavior that we don t see in any other car company or a product in general. It s interesting to see how the people are targeted naturally… Am I the only one that noticed that ? Tesla owners here on Reddit are you feeling the same way ? Anyway hope that I ll be able to join the family one day 😅 | In a nutshell Tesla owners are smart successful savvy and sexy. edit ... and also have huge dongs | I am definitely in the drank the kool-aid club and picked up my Model 3 last week! One thing that is annoying on this subreddit specifically is that you cannot criticize anything at all wrt to Tesla. It results in immediate down voting. I don t think that s very healthy. | 53 | 12 | 2,568 |
8qr4aq | 21 | Let s talk about the «Tesla mindset» 😬 Hey everyone I m a huge Tesla fan and what strikes me the most is how similar the people who re buying Tesla cars are. I mean pretty much everyone I know who have one are also tech\\-focused guys I would say almost futurist one behavior that we don t see in any other car company or a product in general. It s interesting to see how the people are targeted naturally… Am I the only one that noticed that ? Tesla owners here on Reddit are you feeling the same way ? Anyway hope that I ll be able to join the family one day 😅 | In a nutshell Tesla owners are smart successful savvy and sexy. edit ... and also have huge dongs | I think what has thrown a lot of detractors is their thinking that Tesla was targeting rich eco minded people but I haven t found that much true at all. While people signalling their environmental “credentials” may be true to some small part much more it s people signalling their technical credentials. That by opting for a Tesla that they are forward thinking and are tech savvy. I often get asked by the traditionalists the usual lines about the environment and power generation which it s the usual FUD materiel they ve been spoon feed. It throws them that while I think it s important it doesn t really play any part in my decision to buy a Tesla. | 53 | 14 | 2,569 |
8qt5ly | 84 | Sat in my 3 during an update Saw the new update come in and so I went out to the car to start it. It was during alternate-side parking so I stayed in the car in case a traffic cop came along during the update. I was surprised at how many weird physical noises I heard during the update! Some things i d expect like servos going back and forth probably system checks like brake calipers closing and opening or something but also a few weird clunks from the underside like kicking up a rock on a dirt road. Any idea what that might be? I d be curious to know what exactly I was hearing. | clunking sound from underside could be the high voltage contactors engaging or dis engaging battery air vents moving. All normal part of the update. | I did the same thing last week... All sorts of bangs pops squeaks and hisses... | 65 | 4 | 2,570 |
8qt5ly | 84 | Sat in my 3 during an update Saw the new update come in and so I went out to the car to start it. It was during alternate-side parking so I stayed in the car in case a traffic cop came along during the update. I was surprised at how many weird physical noises I heard during the update! Some things i d expect like servos going back and forth probably system checks like brake calipers closing and opening or something but also a few weird clunks from the underside like kicking up a rock on a dirt road. Any idea what that might be? I d be curious to know what exactly I was hearing. | clunking sound from underside could be the high voltage contactors engaging or dis engaging battery air vents moving. All normal part of the update. | That s normal for the car to act like a spaz during updates. Things turning on and off etc. | 65 | 6 | 2,571 |
8qt5ly | 84 | Sat in my 3 during an update Saw the new update come in and so I went out to the car to start it. It was during alternate-side parking so I stayed in the car in case a traffic cop came along during the update. I was surprised at how many weird physical noises I heard during the update! Some things i d expect like servos going back and forth probably system checks like brake calipers closing and opening or something but also a few weird clunks from the underside like kicking up a rock on a dirt road. Any idea what that might be? I d be curious to know what exactly I was hearing. | clunking sound from underside could be the high voltage contactors engaging or dis engaging battery air vents moving. All normal part of the update. | It s normal. I m not sure what it is but mine always does the same thing. | 65 | 11 | 2,572 |
8r2f9z | 239 | Phone key is AMAZING [OPINION ALERT] In response to the [post saying it s awful](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8r1mvg phone_key_sucks ). I get that some people s phones aren t connecting properly and that needs to be worked out but it s working great for some (most?) of us. My phone (Galaxy S8) has failed to auto unlock the car 1 time it 2 months. This required a quick off on toggle of bluetooth on my phone which was about as much of a hassle as using a standard key fob would be *every* time. My wife s Jeep does auto unlock on walk up but that s only useful if I go get the fob. With the phone key I always have my key with me. There may be some confusion about how much you need to interact with your phone to use auto unlock. The answer is NONE. I never need to use ANYTHING to lock or unlock my car. I don t have keys anymore at all. I walk out and it s unlocked I leave the car and it locks. I m not doing anything on the phone at all. This is the greatest thing ever. Unlike the S X nothing happens when I walk past my car in the garage (optional). It s not folding mirrors or popping out handles. Having the phone just means that opening the handle will activate everything. Sometimes I do need to walk past the driver s door before I can let my kid into the back seat on the opposite side still better than using a fob to unlock. The trunk unlocks with the rest of the car and has a button to open it. I remember this being a big concern when the phone key was announced but the only way I can think of making it better would be one of those motion activated sensors under the bumper but that s probably patented by Ford(?). I do occasionally use the phone to open the frunk before I go inside the cabin at first I thought it sucked to wait for the car to wake up but then I realized it opens fine before the app has fully connected via cell signal. Anyway wanted to offer a opposing viewpoint because the phone key is one of my favorite features. Am I the only one who loves it? | No lots of people love it. And lots of people hate it. Tesla should provide a fob for those who hate it and those who love the phone key wouldn t have to use it. | I don t know what fobs you had but my plain ole Nissan doesn t require any hassle to use the fob. As in it stays in my pocket I just touch the door and it opens. Zero hassle. Granted the phone hopefully will be close to that but fishing out the phone and turning Bluetooth on off is most definitely more of a hassle. If I have to walk to driver side to put in my kid that s definitely a significant hassle every single day. Hope that s not the case and I can unlock on passenger side too. | 77 | 7 | 2,573 |
8r2f9z | 239 | Phone key is AMAZING [OPINION ALERT] In response to the [post saying it s awful](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8r1mvg phone_key_sucks ). I get that some people s phones aren t connecting properly and that needs to be worked out but it s working great for some (most?) of us. My phone (Galaxy S8) has failed to auto unlock the car 1 time it 2 months. This required a quick off on toggle of bluetooth on my phone which was about as much of a hassle as using a standard key fob would be *every* time. My wife s Jeep does auto unlock on walk up but that s only useful if I go get the fob. With the phone key I always have my key with me. There may be some confusion about how much you need to interact with your phone to use auto unlock. The answer is NONE. I never need to use ANYTHING to lock or unlock my car. I don t have keys anymore at all. I walk out and it s unlocked I leave the car and it locks. I m not doing anything on the phone at all. This is the greatest thing ever. Unlike the S X nothing happens when I walk past my car in the garage (optional). It s not folding mirrors or popping out handles. Having the phone just means that opening the handle will activate everything. Sometimes I do need to walk past the driver s door before I can let my kid into the back seat on the opposite side still better than using a fob to unlock. The trunk unlocks with the rest of the car and has a button to open it. I remember this being a big concern when the phone key was announced but the only way I can think of making it better would be one of those motion activated sensors under the bumper but that s probably patented by Ford(?). I do occasionally use the phone to open the frunk before I go inside the cabin at first I thought it sucked to wait for the car to wake up but then I realized it opens fine before the app has fully connected via cell signal. Anyway wanted to offer a opposing viewpoint because the phone key is one of my favorite features. Am I the only one who loves it? | No lots of people love it. And lots of people hate it. Tesla should provide a fob for those who hate it and those who love the phone key wouldn t have to use it. | I really like the idea and so far with my Galaxy S8 it works reliably but it destroys my battery life of my phone. I am rooted and I can check which processes are using battery and sure enough after getting the TM3 Bluetooth is holding serious wakelocks and tanking my battery life. I would use a fob with the TM3 by default and use the phone key as backup or when I don t have the fob with me. | 77 | 21 | 2,574 |
8rc3jg | 323 | Be genuine. **Our Growth** We re slowly approaching 300k subscribers. Only a year ago we had just crossed 100k subscribers and up from 50k the year before. 30 000 subscribers in the beginning of 2016 to coming onto 300 000 now. That s a 900% increase in a little over 2 years. Undoubtedly we have all walks of life here now and this is the premise to my next points. **Expectations** The purpose of this post is to provide some awareness on how we expect people to act and participate in the sub. We want *everyone* to be respectful. We want *everyone* to have a good experience and have a positive atmosphere (separate of the topic at hand). Topics can be negative or criticisms but you can still have a healthy debate and be respectful to one another. This is expected of everyone. **Be Nice** We do not want to see any shady behavior where someone makes another feel worth less for not knowing the little details about Tesla knowing or understanding the intricacies of their finances or a specific topic that was discussed before. Not everyone is here all the time and not everyone can know everything so if you make another person feel bad are rude or make someone feel like their opinion is worth less or appear to create a negative atmosphere (do not confuse this with negative news) it won t be tolerated. **Generalizations about the community** Often times when people deal with a fan or enthusiast based forum you get associated as a cult . This in fact happens with Apple. Not everyone shares the same sentiment and extremes and in fact most are grounded but there is often times an exception where folks take it to the extremes and it negatively affects how everyone is perceived. Try not to generalize try to remember that most people are rational. **Your History** On Reddit your post and comment history are in public view (unless you delete your posts) or continuously make alt accounts that you cycle through. You can learn a lot about a person based on their history and it s something we take into account when actions need to be made. When you deal with all sorts of folks this is necessary to look into to better understand someone regardless of how creepy you think it is it s okay to disagree with the necessity. **A Reminder** In our sub we are strict on Rule 1. We expect people to not be rude provoke instigate or concern troll. We want people who are inherently genuine. There are other places on Reddit if you want to act that way but it won t be here. If someone rubs you the wrong way or makes a point you don t like or understand do your research and come back with reputable facts and sources. **A Warning** We *aren t* giving warnings in all cases anymore (we haven t been for a few months actually). It has become too difficult to keep track of each warning. So consider this it. We have been giving more temp bans instead and only then will it lead to a permanent ban if someone doesn t adjust to our expectations after the temp ban. We actually have had a low number of these actions lately which is nice. **Our My Job** To provide a positive atmosphere and make this a welcoming place. I used to be a bit of a pushover and would try to make the majority happy (I realize this is impossible) but it s in my nature. But in the past few months I ve become a bit tired of people who act one way here and another elsewhere. If you re being fake I m no longer sitting aside. I m beginning to understand why u dieabetic doesn t take any crap being in my shoes could be hard to understand but when you are attacked a lot when people assume constantly you begin to see all sides of people. We do this thankless job for free because we re fans of the Tesla mission. Tesla does a lot of positive things and they do some questionable things. We know Tesla isn t perfect no one is. But let s keep our eye on the prize Tesla s mission. This means if another company makes an EV that s good! Competition is great and seek out criticism. **Your Job** Be genuine. **One last thing** I quickly realized that as a mod you re looked up to to set an example. That s understandable and I ve tried to do so but we are people too and we can t always be perfect. I decided I won t change who I am anymore and I m going back to being goofy with comments again... I truly miss that part of me. But don t mistake it for weakness. And **don t forget to report** so we can see and address things more easily. If you mention mods we ll likely see it. And not every person who dislikes an action by Tesla is shorting the stock but maybe try to learn more about them to understand them so things make more sense. These are just my thoughts and I d like to know yours (mods and community) and thanks for reading. One quick follow-up from u DieAbetic: Do not resort to calling names just say agree to disagree and move on. Don t feed into trolls and don t call everyone that is critical a short or a troll . Avoid misinformation and when posting citations are preferred when stating things as facts. Avoid hyperbole and exaggeration and also avoid blowing off actual issues as nothing or insubstantial. We are here for fans investors new owners old owners and even critics. Understand other people s perspectives without attacking or calling names. | I hope we can be positive and assume the best in people by not responding that anyone with a contrary opinion is a short. I feel like just mentioning this that I will get accused of being a short! These comments are designed to push people away from the sub to avoid contrary opinions by attacking the person instead of responding to their contributions. | Is there a subscribers vs time plot available? I would like to see the large increases in subs and correlate that to news events. Also it may be useful to recommend other subreddits. I see a lot of posts that get deleted (such as a photo of tm3) which makes sense to hardcore followers but the casual fan gets posts removed. Other places like r teslamodel3 are more welcoming to those type of posts | 29 | 2 | 2,575 |
8rcn7w | 94 | My thoughts and experience after 2 days of Model 3 ownership Hi all I wanted to share my experience in getting my new Model 3 and my thoughts on the car itself. I know these threads come up pretty often but as someone who was eagerly awaiting taking delivery of my Model 3 I read about every single one of these threads and I hope it s useful to some of you out there who are awaiting your own Tesla. I was a day 1 reservation holder online non-owner from Nevada. Invited to configure on 4 18 first contact by the ISA on 5 26 took delivery 6 13. Midnight Silver Metallic Aero wheels no Autopilot. Here are my thoughts on the buying process and the goods: * I took delivery on Wednesday morning in Rocklin CA. The few days leading up to delivery were extremely stressful. Being from Nevada I had to have a NV DMV Power of Attorney form notarized so that I could take delivery and Tesla could do what they needed to do with the DMV. I was also waiting on the Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement form so that I could know the final amount that I had to pay. I didn t receive either of these forms until Tuesday at around 4PM giving me pretty minimal time to do what I needed to do. I also feel like it wouldn t have been done in time if it wasn t for my constant nagging. * The day of delivery was much less stressful. My wife and I arrived at Tesla about 15 minutes before our scheduled time had some coffee and looked at the Model X and S in the showroom. Our Delivery Specialist (DS) came out and met us and we went and looked at the car which was plugged into the supercharger (I had requested a full charge since I had to drive back to Nevada). Checked it out for a few minutes then went back inside and took 10-15 minutes to do the paperwork. After that we went back to the car where our DS gave us a thorough walk through of the hardware and software took our picture then left us to go through our delivery checklist. * The car is almost perfect the only thing wrong is that the glove box doesn t open. Our DS said that this affected a small batch of cars and that we would be contacted for service to come fix it in a week or two. The funny thing is that I ve mentioned to my wife a couple times that I wish the glove box wasn t software controlled so of course that happens to be the one thing wrong with the car. But other than that couldn t find anything wrong. * Man I love how this drives. The instant torque is amazing especially coming from an old Honda Civic that does 0-60 in about 2 minutes. I love coming up to red lights being the first car in line and putting my foot down when it turns green. Makes me (and my wife) smile every time. * Driving over the mountains was kind of a weird great experience. I m so used to hearing the car downshift and rev the engine as you start heading up a hill. With cruise control set the Model 3 just maintains the speed doesn t bat an eye make any noises or lurches... it s awesome. * I can definitely see the appeal of autopilot since having that would make it a lot easier to interact with the touchscreen. I kind of feel like I have to be on high alert when I m changing the temperature changing from radio to streaming etc. I wouldn t be surprised if I pull the trigger and upgrade although I ll probably wait until it s a little more capable. * I m digging the phone key haven t had any issues with it. We were pretty wary just walking away from the car the first couple times but now I trust it enough to lock when I walk away. * About 25% of the time that I open the Tesla app on my iPhone it is unable to wake up the car. Hasn t really been a big deal though I rebooted the car yesterday and that seemed to help some. * I installed the Aero Wheel Cap Kit almost right when I got home. The Aeros do look better in person than they do online but I like the way the car looks with the cap kit much better. * Charging has been easy enough. I had a NEMA 14-50 installed in my garage a few weeks ago (cost was $223). I realized that plugging in the car was the first real test of the outlet glad it s working well haha. I m happy to answer any questions you guys may have! **TL DR** Best car I ve ever owned. | > I love coming up to red lights being the first car in line and putting my foot down when it turns green. Be a little careful with this want to make sure no one is going to run the light. I just saw an accident earlier this week where someone quick off the line was hit by a red light runner. | I would suggest the free trial of Autopilot that Elon announced...it s very much worth it even at the current level of capability. | 29 | 2 | 2,576 |
8rcn7w | 94 | My thoughts and experience after 2 days of Model 3 ownership Hi all I wanted to share my experience in getting my new Model 3 and my thoughts on the car itself. I know these threads come up pretty often but as someone who was eagerly awaiting taking delivery of my Model 3 I read about every single one of these threads and I hope it s useful to some of you out there who are awaiting your own Tesla. I was a day 1 reservation holder online non-owner from Nevada. Invited to configure on 4 18 first contact by the ISA on 5 26 took delivery 6 13. Midnight Silver Metallic Aero wheels no Autopilot. Here are my thoughts on the buying process and the goods: * I took delivery on Wednesday morning in Rocklin CA. The few days leading up to delivery were extremely stressful. Being from Nevada I had to have a NV DMV Power of Attorney form notarized so that I could take delivery and Tesla could do what they needed to do with the DMV. I was also waiting on the Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement form so that I could know the final amount that I had to pay. I didn t receive either of these forms until Tuesday at around 4PM giving me pretty minimal time to do what I needed to do. I also feel like it wouldn t have been done in time if it wasn t for my constant nagging. * The day of delivery was much less stressful. My wife and I arrived at Tesla about 15 minutes before our scheduled time had some coffee and looked at the Model X and S in the showroom. Our Delivery Specialist (DS) came out and met us and we went and looked at the car which was plugged into the supercharger (I had requested a full charge since I had to drive back to Nevada). Checked it out for a few minutes then went back inside and took 10-15 minutes to do the paperwork. After that we went back to the car where our DS gave us a thorough walk through of the hardware and software took our picture then left us to go through our delivery checklist. * The car is almost perfect the only thing wrong is that the glove box doesn t open. Our DS said that this affected a small batch of cars and that we would be contacted for service to come fix it in a week or two. The funny thing is that I ve mentioned to my wife a couple times that I wish the glove box wasn t software controlled so of course that happens to be the one thing wrong with the car. But other than that couldn t find anything wrong. * Man I love how this drives. The instant torque is amazing especially coming from an old Honda Civic that does 0-60 in about 2 minutes. I love coming up to red lights being the first car in line and putting my foot down when it turns green. Makes me (and my wife) smile every time. * Driving over the mountains was kind of a weird great experience. I m so used to hearing the car downshift and rev the engine as you start heading up a hill. With cruise control set the Model 3 just maintains the speed doesn t bat an eye make any noises or lurches... it s awesome. * I can definitely see the appeal of autopilot since having that would make it a lot easier to interact with the touchscreen. I kind of feel like I have to be on high alert when I m changing the temperature changing from radio to streaming etc. I wouldn t be surprised if I pull the trigger and upgrade although I ll probably wait until it s a little more capable. * I m digging the phone key haven t had any issues with it. We were pretty wary just walking away from the car the first couple times but now I trust it enough to lock when I walk away. * About 25% of the time that I open the Tesla app on my iPhone it is unable to wake up the car. Hasn t really been a big deal though I rebooted the car yesterday and that seemed to help some. * I installed the Aero Wheel Cap Kit almost right when I got home. The Aeros do look better in person than they do online but I like the way the car looks with the cap kit much better. * Charging has been easy enough. I had a NEMA 14-50 installed in my garage a few weeks ago (cost was $223). I realized that plugging in the car was the first real test of the outlet glad it s working well haha. I m happy to answer any questions you guys may have! **TL DR** Best car I ve ever owned. | > I love coming up to red lights being the first car in line and putting my foot down when it turns green. Be a little careful with this want to make sure no one is going to run the light. I just saw an accident earlier this week where someone quick off the line was hit by a red light runner. | You can have it fold in the mirrors when the car locks and unfold when it unlocks. That way you have a visual cue as to whether or not the car has locked. I did this for a week until I built up confidence that the car locks automatically when I walk away. | 29 | 2 | 2,577 |
8rcn7w | 94 | My thoughts and experience after 2 days of Model 3 ownership Hi all I wanted to share my experience in getting my new Model 3 and my thoughts on the car itself. I know these threads come up pretty often but as someone who was eagerly awaiting taking delivery of my Model 3 I read about every single one of these threads and I hope it s useful to some of you out there who are awaiting your own Tesla. I was a day 1 reservation holder online non-owner from Nevada. Invited to configure on 4 18 first contact by the ISA on 5 26 took delivery 6 13. Midnight Silver Metallic Aero wheels no Autopilot. Here are my thoughts on the buying process and the goods: * I took delivery on Wednesday morning in Rocklin CA. The few days leading up to delivery were extremely stressful. Being from Nevada I had to have a NV DMV Power of Attorney form notarized so that I could take delivery and Tesla could do what they needed to do with the DMV. I was also waiting on the Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement form so that I could know the final amount that I had to pay. I didn t receive either of these forms until Tuesday at around 4PM giving me pretty minimal time to do what I needed to do. I also feel like it wouldn t have been done in time if it wasn t for my constant nagging. * The day of delivery was much less stressful. My wife and I arrived at Tesla about 15 minutes before our scheduled time had some coffee and looked at the Model X and S in the showroom. Our Delivery Specialist (DS) came out and met us and we went and looked at the car which was plugged into the supercharger (I had requested a full charge since I had to drive back to Nevada). Checked it out for a few minutes then went back inside and took 10-15 minutes to do the paperwork. After that we went back to the car where our DS gave us a thorough walk through of the hardware and software took our picture then left us to go through our delivery checklist. * The car is almost perfect the only thing wrong is that the glove box doesn t open. Our DS said that this affected a small batch of cars and that we would be contacted for service to come fix it in a week or two. The funny thing is that I ve mentioned to my wife a couple times that I wish the glove box wasn t software controlled so of course that happens to be the one thing wrong with the car. But other than that couldn t find anything wrong. * Man I love how this drives. The instant torque is amazing especially coming from an old Honda Civic that does 0-60 in about 2 minutes. I love coming up to red lights being the first car in line and putting my foot down when it turns green. Makes me (and my wife) smile every time. * Driving over the mountains was kind of a weird great experience. I m so used to hearing the car downshift and rev the engine as you start heading up a hill. With cruise control set the Model 3 just maintains the speed doesn t bat an eye make any noises or lurches... it s awesome. * I can definitely see the appeal of autopilot since having that would make it a lot easier to interact with the touchscreen. I kind of feel like I have to be on high alert when I m changing the temperature changing from radio to streaming etc. I wouldn t be surprised if I pull the trigger and upgrade although I ll probably wait until it s a little more capable. * I m digging the phone key haven t had any issues with it. We were pretty wary just walking away from the car the first couple times but now I trust it enough to lock when I walk away. * About 25% of the time that I open the Tesla app on my iPhone it is unable to wake up the car. Hasn t really been a big deal though I rebooted the car yesterday and that seemed to help some. * I installed the Aero Wheel Cap Kit almost right when I got home. The Aeros do look better in person than they do online but I like the way the car looks with the cap kit much better. * Charging has been easy enough. I had a NEMA 14-50 installed in my garage a few weeks ago (cost was $223). I realized that plugging in the car was the first real test of the outlet glad it s working well haha. I m happy to answer any questions you guys may have! **TL DR** Best car I ve ever owned. | > I love coming up to red lights being the first car in line and putting my foot down when it turns green. Be a little careful with this want to make sure no one is going to run the light. I just saw an accident earlier this week where someone quick off the line was hit by a red light runner. | I purchased cap kit but I decided not to use it as I feel the aero wheel pretty match my mid night sliver car. Plus I get range advantages with the aero wheel. | 29 | 3 | 2,578 |
8rpebd | 676 | Tesla Short-sellers going in to meltdown over 3rd assembly line It would appear that the announcement of 3rd general assembly line being completed has majorly spooked short-sellers to the point where they are generating conspiracy theories on it being fake staged. Here are some tweets for your own amusement: Fake tent filled with boxes and trash https: twitter.com BossHoggHazzard status 1008137930177765376?s=20 It s a fake mock-up https: twitter.com passthebeano status 1008102730148151296?s=20 (got debunked immediatley by someone who actually knew how the belts work) The cable isn t plugged in https: twitter.com passthebeano status 1008100233052545024?s=20 (Spoiler alert it actually is). Trying to bribe Tesla employees to contact SEC https: twitter.com eriz35 status 1008092765006295040?s=20 It s photoshopped https: twitter.com SnakeOilElon status 1008083259396427776?s=20 | Kind of reminds me of all the nuts claiming SpaceX faked the rocket landing footage when they first started successfully landing rockets claiming the footage was reversed or that the cut outs of the video from the vibration were actually so SpaceX could use camera tricks to switch the feed. | This is getting so ridiculous. I can t imagine that they believe he is going to this level of fraud instead of acknowledging they could be wrong. I can t understand the types of people shorting Tesla. | 365 | 186 | 2,579 |
8rpebd | 676 | Tesla Short-sellers going in to meltdown over 3rd assembly line It would appear that the announcement of 3rd general assembly line being completed has majorly spooked short-sellers to the point where they are generating conspiracy theories on it being fake staged. Here are some tweets for your own amusement: Fake tent filled with boxes and trash https: twitter.com BossHoggHazzard status 1008137930177765376?s=20 It s a fake mock-up https: twitter.com passthebeano status 1008102730148151296?s=20 (got debunked immediatley by someone who actually knew how the belts work) The cable isn t plugged in https: twitter.com passthebeano status 1008100233052545024?s=20 (Spoiler alert it actually is). Trying to bribe Tesla employees to contact SEC https: twitter.com eriz35 status 1008092765006295040?s=20 It s photoshopped https: twitter.com SnakeOilElon status 1008083259396427776?s=20 | What always amazes me about conspiracies is that people will tell you everyone of importance and their mother is in on it and will then point to details in photos as their evidence. You really think that a billion dollar company the CIA or insert rich guy or politician will have 10-200 people bought and paid for but hire someone to take bad photos? | I m not a shortseller or a Tesla-hater. (Check my history if you will) I m a big fan. However...(cliché) this picture in combination with the message perception from Elon is that this finished line is already rolling out cars is BS . I think the line is still under heavy construction and workers aren t doing their routines yet in this tent. Engineers constructors are still working on it the tent is a restricted zone under construction and the red M3 P shown was put there in place to make a nice picture. I m almost confident we won t see any cars finished on this line the coming weeks. This was a merely press-release to massage us that they are working on fixing production bottlenecks. Let s be real: M3 production started a year ago and they made real good progress. But this tent-setup picture ... I can t get rid of the impression that this is an emergency solution. They must ve figured out that they need more manpower instead of automation to increase production rate and GA4 is there to allocate the manual labor to lift the bottleneck temporary. | 59 | 11 | 2,580 |
8rpebd | 676 | Tesla Short-sellers going in to meltdown over 3rd assembly line It would appear that the announcement of 3rd general assembly line being completed has majorly spooked short-sellers to the point where they are generating conspiracy theories on it being fake staged. Here are some tweets for your own amusement: Fake tent filled with boxes and trash https: twitter.com BossHoggHazzard status 1008137930177765376?s=20 It s a fake mock-up https: twitter.com passthebeano status 1008102730148151296?s=20 (got debunked immediatley by someone who actually knew how the belts work) The cable isn t plugged in https: twitter.com passthebeano status 1008100233052545024?s=20 (Spoiler alert it actually is). Trying to bribe Tesla employees to contact SEC https: twitter.com eriz35 status 1008092765006295040?s=20 It s photoshopped https: twitter.com SnakeOilElon status 1008083259396427776?s=20 | Ah the taste of those sweet sweet short tears. Nom nom nom nom | I m not a shortseller or a Tesla-hater. (Check my history if you will) I m a big fan. However...(cliché) this picture in combination with the message perception from Elon is that this finished line is already rolling out cars is BS . I think the line is still under heavy construction and workers aren t doing their routines yet in this tent. Engineers constructors are still working on it the tent is a restricted zone under construction and the red M3 P shown was put there in place to make a nice picture. I m almost confident we won t see any cars finished on this line the coming weeks. This was a merely press-release to massage us that they are working on fixing production bottlenecks. Let s be real: M3 production started a year ago and they made real good progress. But this tent-setup picture ... I can t get rid of the impression that this is an emergency solution. They must ve figured out that they need more manpower instead of automation to increase production rate and GA4 is there to allocate the manual labor to lift the bottleneck temporary. | 46 | 11 | 2,581 |
8rrtga | 115 | Went shopping for an entry-level luxury sedan recently and here s what I found... I m a Model S owner (love it) and Model 3 reservation holder. We live in a snowy northern climate want AWD for the 3 and are still waiting. We had a life event occur recently and need another car now. We can t wait any longer. So we decided to buy a used entry-level luxury car and will sell it when our 3 is available. So we went shopping. We looked at the 2017 Audi A4 and 2015-16 BMW 328i (never made it to Mercedes or Lexus). I was shocked at how bad they are. I think Tesla has ruined me for any ICE. I know it s an S and costs twice as much but still. What didn t I like? * Slow. They are such a dog when you step on the gas. Positively sluggish. * They rattle a lot. The engine creates so much vibration it spoils the driving experience. Noisy too. * The interior is a mess with all the buttons. The screen is tiny. Feels low tech. It s like the 90 s in there. Based upon this experience if the 3 is a “little Model S ” they re gonna demolish BMW Mercedes Lexus etc. Im sure that entry-level luxury ICE sales will fall off a cliff. Those guys better get their EVs to market fast if they want to survive. Btw - We eventually bought an A4 for ~$30k. Yuck. I hope I can get $25k-ish when I sell it in 6mo. Full disclosure I m a Tesla fanboy and have thought for years that EVs will take over the market. I could suffer from confirmation bias but those ICE s just sucked. | If you were hoping to sell the vehicle in roughly 6 months with little lost in value you should have bought a used vehicle that was plateaued on the depreciation curve. The first year or two is the harshest to a new car s value. | Every time I get into my wife s 330e it makes me cringe. The screen is absolutely the first thing that jumps out at me too! I used that car as a “gateway car” to electric but learned that if you are going to do it go all in or nothing at all. I will be very happy when the lease is up and we can become a two Tesla car family! | 75 | 5 | 2,582 |
8rrtga | 115 | Went shopping for an entry-level luxury sedan recently and here s what I found... I m a Model S owner (love it) and Model 3 reservation holder. We live in a snowy northern climate want AWD for the 3 and are still waiting. We had a life event occur recently and need another car now. We can t wait any longer. So we decided to buy a used entry-level luxury car and will sell it when our 3 is available. So we went shopping. We looked at the 2017 Audi A4 and 2015-16 BMW 328i (never made it to Mercedes or Lexus). I was shocked at how bad they are. I think Tesla has ruined me for any ICE. I know it s an S and costs twice as much but still. What didn t I like? * Slow. They are such a dog when you step on the gas. Positively sluggish. * They rattle a lot. The engine creates so much vibration it spoils the driving experience. Noisy too. * The interior is a mess with all the buttons. The screen is tiny. Feels low tech. It s like the 90 s in there. Based upon this experience if the 3 is a “little Model S ” they re gonna demolish BMW Mercedes Lexus etc. Im sure that entry-level luxury ICE sales will fall off a cliff. Those guys better get their EVs to market fast if they want to survive. Btw - We eventually bought an A4 for ~$30k. Yuck. I hope I can get $25k-ish when I sell it in 6mo. Full disclosure I m a Tesla fanboy and have thought for years that EVs will take over the market. I could suffer from confirmation bias but those ICE s just sucked. | Noisy? I am sorry but I find my Tesla is just as noisy in different areas. Squeals squeaks rattles. On the freeway all the road and wind noise is far worse than my ICE cars (BMW 5 series Mercedes E class). Modern ICE engines are pretty quiet at cruising speed. This is on a March 2018 Model X. My 2016 X had less noise so they made no improvement over the years. | Every time I get into my wife s 330e it makes me cringe. The screen is absolutely the first thing that jumps out at me too! I used that car as a “gateway car” to electric but learned that if you are going to do it go all in or nothing at all. I will be very happy when the lease is up and we can become a two Tesla car family! | 55 | 5 | 2,583 |
8rrtga | 115 | Went shopping for an entry-level luxury sedan recently and here s what I found... I m a Model S owner (love it) and Model 3 reservation holder. We live in a snowy northern climate want AWD for the 3 and are still waiting. We had a life event occur recently and need another car now. We can t wait any longer. So we decided to buy a used entry-level luxury car and will sell it when our 3 is available. So we went shopping. We looked at the 2017 Audi A4 and 2015-16 BMW 328i (never made it to Mercedes or Lexus). I was shocked at how bad they are. I think Tesla has ruined me for any ICE. I know it s an S and costs twice as much but still. What didn t I like? * Slow. They are such a dog when you step on the gas. Positively sluggish. * They rattle a lot. The engine creates so much vibration it spoils the driving experience. Noisy too. * The interior is a mess with all the buttons. The screen is tiny. Feels low tech. It s like the 90 s in there. Based upon this experience if the 3 is a “little Model S ” they re gonna demolish BMW Mercedes Lexus etc. Im sure that entry-level luxury ICE sales will fall off a cliff. Those guys better get their EVs to market fast if they want to survive. Btw - We eventually bought an A4 for ~$30k. Yuck. I hope I can get $25k-ish when I sell it in 6mo. Full disclosure I m a Tesla fanboy and have thought for years that EVs will take over the market. I could suffer from confirmation bias but those ICE s just sucked. | You are comparing a $100 000 top-of-the-line model to a used $40 000 i4. | Every time I get into my wife s 330e it makes me cringe. The screen is absolutely the first thing that jumps out at me too! I used that car as a “gateway car” to electric but learned that if you are going to do it go all in or nothing at all. I will be very happy when the lease is up and we can become a two Tesla car family! | 54 | 5 | 2,584 |
8s0k30 | 21 | My weekend in a rented Model 3. My review and why it s not for me. I m a day-one reservation holder in LA and I ve had my invitation to configure for a few weeks. I spent the weekend in a rented model 3. We ve all read the reviews and I just wanted to add my two cents and suggest everyone go rent a model 3 before you buy one. I found it to be a far far cry from the model S on so many levels. When I talked to the owner and told him I questioned whether the model 3 was comparable to other $50k cars. He told me straight up it s not. It s a $35k car with some bells and whistles. After this weekend I d compare the insides to a fancy Honda Civic. It may look nice but you can feel where they skimped. My current car is a V6 Acura TLX. Quick fun to drive kinda sporty in a Honda accord kind of way (lease payment $431 w $1000 down). Before that I leased a Mercedes E350 (the best car I have leased) payment was $535 w $1000 down. I found the model 3 suspension to be on par with my TLX in most cases. At freeway speed on Los Angeles bumpy-ass freeways there was a couple oh-shit moments as the Model 3 felt like it was too stiff for the conditions. Very unforgiving. WTF is up with the baby seats and baby steering wheel? I hadn t read anything about this but the steering wheel is so small even my 70 year old aunt asked about its size. The front seats are also small. I m only 5 8” and found the bottom seat portion was considerably smaller than a traditional seat both in width and depth. I didn t really find the comfortable seat position in my 48 hour test drive. My 7 and 10 year old kids also complained about the comfort in the back and that it was too bumpy. I thought Autopilot would make my LA commutes bearable. Granted I know there may be some tricks of the trade but I hated the way the autopilot would speed up quickly when traffic flow opened up. This would inevitably be followed by heavy breaking because this is LA and there s always traffic. (I also began to wonder if autopilot controls the break lights or just uses regenerative breaking? Does the person following me know what I am doing?) I tried setting the cruise to a speed commiserate with the flow of traffic (40mph) and the hurry up and brake tendency was reduced but then I found myself constantly adjusting the speed with the wheel. (I might as well just take over). At speed in “normal” traffic it was great but didn t strike me as a $5000 value. ($83 month for 60 mos). I got used to the screen and didn t find looking right an issue but found that too many of the controls were buried. On a couple occasions I pulled over to find out how to turn the bass down and once to search for a local radio station since everything programmed was either talk radio or bubble gum artists. I am also a live-and-die leaser. I do not see the benefit of borrowing money in order to pay a higher monthly payment vs leasing the same vehicle. The value of owning doesn t show it s face until year 6 and by then I will have moved on. I also get a tax benefit by leasing. Like the above mentioned lease payments I can rent a nicer car for ~$500 month and spend $175 month on fuel vs the $800-$1000 for 60 mos that the model 3 would run. If this was about the environment or daily-driver-commuter car I could lease a chevy bolt for ~$350 with $1000 down. I also asked my wife if we would travel with the model 3 and the answer was no. It s not big enough nor comfortable enough to compensate for the fuel savings. Just my two cents. I m out. Everyone just moved up in line. And I will never lease buy a car again without renting one and spending an entire day with it. | I m 6 1 and have sat in the Model 3 for an extended period of time. Had more room than ever and no issues with being comfortable. I suppose it s all case by case. Love the long right up and detailed info < 3. Glad you found all this out before throwing down a ton of money. | > I also began to wonder if autopilot controls the break lights or just uses regenerative breaking? There is a threshold at which regenerative braking will turn on the brake lights. | 61 | 10 | 2,585 |
8s0k30 | 21 | My weekend in a rented Model 3. My review and why it s not for me. I m a day-one reservation holder in LA and I ve had my invitation to configure for a few weeks. I spent the weekend in a rented model 3. We ve all read the reviews and I just wanted to add my two cents and suggest everyone go rent a model 3 before you buy one. I found it to be a far far cry from the model S on so many levels. When I talked to the owner and told him I questioned whether the model 3 was comparable to other $50k cars. He told me straight up it s not. It s a $35k car with some bells and whistles. After this weekend I d compare the insides to a fancy Honda Civic. It may look nice but you can feel where they skimped. My current car is a V6 Acura TLX. Quick fun to drive kinda sporty in a Honda accord kind of way (lease payment $431 w $1000 down). Before that I leased a Mercedes E350 (the best car I have leased) payment was $535 w $1000 down. I found the model 3 suspension to be on par with my TLX in most cases. At freeway speed on Los Angeles bumpy-ass freeways there was a couple oh-shit moments as the Model 3 felt like it was too stiff for the conditions. Very unforgiving. WTF is up with the baby seats and baby steering wheel? I hadn t read anything about this but the steering wheel is so small even my 70 year old aunt asked about its size. The front seats are also small. I m only 5 8” and found the bottom seat portion was considerably smaller than a traditional seat both in width and depth. I didn t really find the comfortable seat position in my 48 hour test drive. My 7 and 10 year old kids also complained about the comfort in the back and that it was too bumpy. I thought Autopilot would make my LA commutes bearable. Granted I know there may be some tricks of the trade but I hated the way the autopilot would speed up quickly when traffic flow opened up. This would inevitably be followed by heavy breaking because this is LA and there s always traffic. (I also began to wonder if autopilot controls the break lights or just uses regenerative breaking? Does the person following me know what I am doing?) I tried setting the cruise to a speed commiserate with the flow of traffic (40mph) and the hurry up and brake tendency was reduced but then I found myself constantly adjusting the speed with the wheel. (I might as well just take over). At speed in “normal” traffic it was great but didn t strike me as a $5000 value. ($83 month for 60 mos). I got used to the screen and didn t find looking right an issue but found that too many of the controls were buried. On a couple occasions I pulled over to find out how to turn the bass down and once to search for a local radio station since everything programmed was either talk radio or bubble gum artists. I am also a live-and-die leaser. I do not see the benefit of borrowing money in order to pay a higher monthly payment vs leasing the same vehicle. The value of owning doesn t show it s face until year 6 and by then I will have moved on. I also get a tax benefit by leasing. Like the above mentioned lease payments I can rent a nicer car for ~$500 month and spend $175 month on fuel vs the $800-$1000 for 60 mos that the model 3 would run. If this was about the environment or daily-driver-commuter car I could lease a chevy bolt for ~$350 with $1000 down. I also asked my wife if we would travel with the model 3 and the answer was no. It s not big enough nor comfortable enough to compensate for the fuel savings. Just my two cents. I m out. Everyone just moved up in line. And I will never lease buy a car again without renting one and spending an entire day with it. | I m 6 1 and have sat in the Model 3 for an extended period of time. Had more room than ever and no issues with being comfortable. I suppose it s all case by case. Love the long right up and detailed info < 3. Glad you found all this out before throwing down a ton of money. | Regarding the AP jerkiness in traffic - sometimes it acts jerky for me but on recent updates it s relatively smooth. When I put the acceleration to Chill mode it is buttery smooth. My parents feel like they are being chauffeured in this setup (we ll technically they always are when I m driving...). Personally I loved the small steering wheel. I m the same height as you. It took me a few weeks to play around with the seat and wheel position but I have a sweet spot that feels part sports car part fantasy mini ship. Did your TLX have more storage than a regular accord? Seems like with the trunk + frunk it is equal to if not a little more than the accord storage. The 3 is def going to ride stiffer than a non AMG Benz or an acura. It s a characteristic of the car. It s not a car for everyone but many love it. Btw have you considered leasing an S? | 61 | 13 | 2,586 |
8s0k30 | 21 | My weekend in a rented Model 3. My review and why it s not for me. I m a day-one reservation holder in LA and I ve had my invitation to configure for a few weeks. I spent the weekend in a rented model 3. We ve all read the reviews and I just wanted to add my two cents and suggest everyone go rent a model 3 before you buy one. I found it to be a far far cry from the model S on so many levels. When I talked to the owner and told him I questioned whether the model 3 was comparable to other $50k cars. He told me straight up it s not. It s a $35k car with some bells and whistles. After this weekend I d compare the insides to a fancy Honda Civic. It may look nice but you can feel where they skimped. My current car is a V6 Acura TLX. Quick fun to drive kinda sporty in a Honda accord kind of way (lease payment $431 w $1000 down). Before that I leased a Mercedes E350 (the best car I have leased) payment was $535 w $1000 down. I found the model 3 suspension to be on par with my TLX in most cases. At freeway speed on Los Angeles bumpy-ass freeways there was a couple oh-shit moments as the Model 3 felt like it was too stiff for the conditions. Very unforgiving. WTF is up with the baby seats and baby steering wheel? I hadn t read anything about this but the steering wheel is so small even my 70 year old aunt asked about its size. The front seats are also small. I m only 5 8” and found the bottom seat portion was considerably smaller than a traditional seat both in width and depth. I didn t really find the comfortable seat position in my 48 hour test drive. My 7 and 10 year old kids also complained about the comfort in the back and that it was too bumpy. I thought Autopilot would make my LA commutes bearable. Granted I know there may be some tricks of the trade but I hated the way the autopilot would speed up quickly when traffic flow opened up. This would inevitably be followed by heavy breaking because this is LA and there s always traffic. (I also began to wonder if autopilot controls the break lights or just uses regenerative breaking? Does the person following me know what I am doing?) I tried setting the cruise to a speed commiserate with the flow of traffic (40mph) and the hurry up and brake tendency was reduced but then I found myself constantly adjusting the speed with the wheel. (I might as well just take over). At speed in “normal” traffic it was great but didn t strike me as a $5000 value. ($83 month for 60 mos). I got used to the screen and didn t find looking right an issue but found that too many of the controls were buried. On a couple occasions I pulled over to find out how to turn the bass down and once to search for a local radio station since everything programmed was either talk radio or bubble gum artists. I am also a live-and-die leaser. I do not see the benefit of borrowing money in order to pay a higher monthly payment vs leasing the same vehicle. The value of owning doesn t show it s face until year 6 and by then I will have moved on. I also get a tax benefit by leasing. Like the above mentioned lease payments I can rent a nicer car for ~$500 month and spend $175 month on fuel vs the $800-$1000 for 60 mos that the model 3 would run. If this was about the environment or daily-driver-commuter car I could lease a chevy bolt for ~$350 with $1000 down. I also asked my wife if we would travel with the model 3 and the answer was no. It s not big enough nor comfortable enough to compensate for the fuel savings. Just my two cents. I m out. Everyone just moved up in line. And I will never lease buy a car again without renting one and spending an entire day with it. | I m 6 1 and have sat in the Model 3 for an extended period of time. Had more room than ever and no issues with being comfortable. I suppose it s all case by case. Love the long right up and detailed info < 3. Glad you found all this out before throwing down a ton of money. | > I hadn t read anything about this but the steering wheel is so small even my 70 year old aunt asked about its size. TIL your aunt is a size queen. But in all seriousness it makes for a more responsive steering feel along with the very short steering ratio. | 61 | 30 | 2,587 |
8s1d8m | 30 | Discussion of Spouse liking Model 3 after first few drives I am curious to hear from Model 3 owners how their spouse took to the car after driving it a few times. My wife is not picky about the car she drives. She is happy with anything that is reliable. She currently drives an ICE and has never driven any EV. With that in mind I reserved on 3 31 2016. The plan was to decide who the main driver of it would be after it came home. Its been over two years and we will be picking it up in a few days. She is somewhat excited but very cautious about whether she will be able to adjust drive and feel comfortable operating the model 3. What have you experienced in this situation? | My girlfriend is the I drive because I need to variety. She commutes 35+ miles each way to work. She drove her new Model 3 to work this morning and sent me a string of happy love excited emoji s this morning when she arrived. She loves AP loves the sound system loves how quiet comfortable it is and loves the power. I think the Model 3 has made her a car person. | My wife the same.. I picked up the car on Friday... She didn t even drive or test the car out till Monday - b c she had to drive my daughter to day care. She s not picky about the cars and she had no issue transitioning from ICE to Model 3. Your wife won t have any issues. | 40 | 3 | 2,588 |
8s3w34 | 76 | Model 3 in Ontario: Your window is now Tesla is acutely aware of the political shift in Ontario. How did I know this? Configured Friday and have been advised that my model 3 is already on a large batch of shipments en route to Toronto. I should receive it less than one week after config. Crazy. For the people is sworn in June 29. Your window is now. Edit: VIN is 28xxx | I think this is actually more to do with them delaying 200k cars to the us as long as possible | Note that it will probably not happen the week after the end of June either. | 28 | 2 | 2,589 |
8s3w34 | 76 | Model 3 in Ontario: Your window is now Tesla is acutely aware of the political shift in Ontario. How did I know this? Configured Friday and have been advised that my model 3 is already on a large batch of shipments en route to Toronto. I should receive it less than one week after config. Crazy. For the people is sworn in June 29. Your window is now. Edit: VIN is 28xxx | I think this is actually more to do with them delaying 200k cars to the us as long as possible | Wow congratulations I am very excited for you. Hoping to have the same in just a few weeks. :) | 28 | 2 | 2,590 |
8s3w34 | 76 | Model 3 in Ontario: Your window is now Tesla is acutely aware of the political shift in Ontario. How did I know this? Configured Friday and have been advised that my model 3 is already on a large batch of shipments en route to Toronto. I should receive it less than one week after config. Crazy. For the people is sworn in June 29. Your window is now. Edit: VIN is 28xxx | I think this is actually more to do with them delaying 200k cars to the us as long as possible | Wow when did you pre order your car? Unfortunately i was late to the party and finally pulled the trigger early last month. Fingers crossed for no changes in the incentives... | 28 | 2 | 2,591 |
8s8512 | 62 | I was a phone key fan but now I don t trust it and have stopped using it. It worked really well the first week or so not a single issue and then...it started. Coming out of the store it s raining hands full of groceries with my three year old and no response from the car. Of course there are people watching because I park away from everyone so there nice shiny car is in the middle of the lot with some idiot trying to get in. Tried to restart bluetooth nothing. Airplane mode nothing. Finally I reached for my wallet to find my card which worked. Next time was at home trying to unlock to show it to some friends that came over. Another fail had to get the keycard out. Happened twice yesterday at work and once while picking my daughter at school. I ve owned the car for 8 days and the last four days have been horrible. I have an iPhone 8 most recent non beta version and I ve shut off auto lock as I don t want to risk it not unlocking. I guess I ll manually lock and just use the card for now not ideal but I know it will work. So frustrating because I love the idea of only using my phone but it s probably around an 80% success rate which is embarrassing. | As I have read bluetooth is being used in a way it is not currently designed to work (connecting and disconnecting repeatedly instead of just connecting and holding that connection). It will get better over time now that there is a demand for this new usage and phone manufacturers will want to use it as a selling feature to people who increasingly own phone-as-key cars. It doesn t help you a whole lot right now. I read a tip from someone else that I use to good effect: as I m leaving the store I reach my hand into my pocket and unlock my phone. That works almost all the time. | iPhone or android? I ve seen on this sub older androids seem to fail the most but older iPhones do too. With my iPhone X it s worked everyday for the 6 weeks I ve had the car. | 34 | 3 | 2,592 |
8s8v3v | 26 | [Discussion] What s holding back the next round of invites? Something seems off to me for why the latest round of invites hasn t gone out yet. I ve accepted that Tesla is manipulating US deliveries to stay under 200k through the end of the 2Q18. But if one configured today the standard “3-6 weeks” from configuration to delivery would put driving off in a new Model 3 in July (I acknowledge people have been waiting even longer than that too). Is the backlog of un-delivered configurations really that long or am I missing something else? | Invite guy got laid-off. | Bob | 63 | 3 | 2,593 |
8saepw | 433 | Model 3 saved me from an accident! No EAP So I was driving into work today in very heavy traffic (going about 5-10mph). Suddenly a car in the lane to the left of me decides to fully swipe into my lane. I barely had my left hand on the wheel when I felt the wheel turn by itself into the shoulder of the freeway. I did not realize this was a function of the car in my mind I was already bracing for the accident and impact. Luckily there was no one driving in the shoulder of the freeway. I m not sure if the model 3 knew to check before swerving onto the shoulder. Just glad my baby is still in one piece! | I believe that the safety functions are always present even if you didn t it choose to purchase auto pilot. IIRC Elon doesn t think it s ethical that you need to pay for more safety or something along these lines. | EAP not purchased or not activated? | 293 | 14 | 2,594 |
8saepw | 433 | Model 3 saved me from an accident! No EAP So I was driving into work today in very heavy traffic (going about 5-10mph). Suddenly a car in the lane to the left of me decides to fully swipe into my lane. I barely had my left hand on the wheel when I felt the wheel turn by itself into the shoulder of the freeway. I did not realize this was a function of the car in my mind I was already bracing for the accident and impact. Luckily there was no one driving in the shoulder of the freeway. I m not sure if the model 3 knew to check before swerving onto the shoulder. Just glad my baby is still in one piece! | I believe that the safety functions are always present even if you didn t it choose to purchase auto pilot. IIRC Elon doesn t think it s ethical that you need to pay for more safety or something along these lines. | Did the side collision warning sound? | 293 | 37 | 2,595 |
8saepw | 433 | Model 3 saved me from an accident! No EAP So I was driving into work today in very heavy traffic (going about 5-10mph). Suddenly a car in the lane to the left of me decides to fully swipe into my lane. I barely had my left hand on the wheel when I felt the wheel turn by itself into the shoulder of the freeway. I did not realize this was a function of the car in my mind I was already bracing for the accident and impact. Luckily there was no one driving in the shoulder of the freeway. I m not sure if the model 3 knew to check before swerving onto the shoulder. Just glad my baby is still in one piece! | My side collision went off going through a narrow tollbooth in Illinois with concrete on both sides. Very loud alert and the car jerked away from the concrete on the left and towards the concrete on the right. I had a strong grip on the wheel and stopped it but I m curious what would have happened if I wasn t strongly on the wheel. | I can understand AP stand for auto pilot what is E? also what led to your decision to opt out some options? | 51 | 2 | 2,596 |
8sbqxw | 112 | Several videos of Tesla assembly line in the Sprung structure [https: twitter.com i status 1009149175974453248](https: twitter.com i status 1009149175974453248) [https: twitter.com i status 1009148498774618112](https: twitter.com i status 1009148498774618112) [https: twitter.com i status 1009134913881190400](https: twitter.com i status 1009134913881190400) [https: twitter.com i status 1009132116590804992](https: twitter.com i status 1009132116590804992) [https: twitter.com i status 1009131264979267584](https: twitter.com i status 1009131264979267584) [https: twitter.com i status 1009129076425019392](https: twitter.com i status 1009129076425019392) [https: twitter.com i status 1009126738570330112](https: twitter.com i status 1009126738570330112) [https: pbs.twimg.com media DgEnNJSV4AE5DvE.jpg:large](https: pbs.twimg.com media DgEnNJSV4AE5DvE.jpg:large) Courtesy of: [**@IspyTsla**](https: twitter.com IspyTsla) | I don t know why I read comments on Twitter. I think I have Super Cancer now. | Open air. Huh. | 93 | 2 | 2,597 |
8sbqxw | 112 | Several videos of Tesla assembly line in the Sprung structure [https: twitter.com i status 1009149175974453248](https: twitter.com i status 1009149175974453248) [https: twitter.com i status 1009148498774618112](https: twitter.com i status 1009148498774618112) [https: twitter.com i status 1009134913881190400](https: twitter.com i status 1009134913881190400) [https: twitter.com i status 1009132116590804992](https: twitter.com i status 1009132116590804992) [https: twitter.com i status 1009131264979267584](https: twitter.com i status 1009131264979267584) [https: twitter.com i status 1009129076425019392](https: twitter.com i status 1009129076425019392) [https: twitter.com i status 1009126738570330112](https: twitter.com i status 1009126738570330112) [https: pbs.twimg.com media DgEnNJSV4AE5DvE.jpg:large](https: pbs.twimg.com media DgEnNJSV4AE5DvE.jpg:large) Courtesy of: [**@IspyTsla**](https: twitter.com IspyTsla) | I don t know why I read comments on Twitter. I think I have Super Cancer now. | brb... Grabs drone. | 93 | 3 | 2,598 |
8sbqxw | 112 | Several videos of Tesla assembly line in the Sprung structure [https: twitter.com i status 1009149175974453248](https: twitter.com i status 1009149175974453248) [https: twitter.com i status 1009148498774618112](https: twitter.com i status 1009148498774618112) [https: twitter.com i status 1009134913881190400](https: twitter.com i status 1009134913881190400) [https: twitter.com i status 1009132116590804992](https: twitter.com i status 1009132116590804992) [https: twitter.com i status 1009131264979267584](https: twitter.com i status 1009131264979267584) [https: twitter.com i status 1009129076425019392](https: twitter.com i status 1009129076425019392) [https: twitter.com i status 1009126738570330112](https: twitter.com i status 1009126738570330112) [https: pbs.twimg.com media DgEnNJSV4AE5DvE.jpg:large](https: pbs.twimg.com media DgEnNJSV4AE5DvE.jpg:large) Courtesy of: [**@IspyTsla**](https: twitter.com IspyTsla) | I don t know why I read comments on Twitter. I think I have Super Cancer now. | The shorts will be wrong again but I can understand this new line is very strange. They have to pull with forklifts manually the cars on the GA3? | 93 | 6 | 2,599 |
8siw1k | 116 | Model 3 woes I ll start out by saying I love my model s. There are some tiny issues with it but overall it s a great car. The model 3 we got on the other hand has been a disaster. It s now sitting in my driveway inoperable for the second time. When you get in it says pull over safely and power reduced - please exit and re-enter the car - may restore operation . Just 2 weeks ago it refused to turn on. My wife complains constantly that the thing is making weird noises. She s just gotten used to things like the radio not working for no reason. Luckily we didn t get rid of the car that the model 3 is supposed to replace so my wife is able to go about her day but I can t imagine how much of a PITA this car would be for someone who actually relied on it. I keep thinking I must have just gotten a dud or something. I really want this car to be good (when it s working it s a great car). I want to return this one and hope that I can get one that isn t broken but I don t want to have to wait another couple months to get a working car. I m now sitting and waiting for a tow truck for this less than 6 month old luxury priced car for the second time this is ridiculous. rant | Sucks... But lemon laws were actually passed for a reason apparently in a machine made of thousand of parts for one reason or another this can happen. Any manufacturer could have this problem. Having said this it still sucks that you have such an experience. Keep us updated with how Tesla service deals with this situation | Is the noise your wife is hearing around the AC vents or behind the screen? I m getting that checked out tomorrow amongst some other stuff that needed parts ordered at the SC tomorrow. | 83 | 3 | 2,600 |
8siw1k | 116 | Model 3 woes I ll start out by saying I love my model s. There are some tiny issues with it but overall it s a great car. The model 3 we got on the other hand has been a disaster. It s now sitting in my driveway inoperable for the second time. When you get in it says pull over safely and power reduced - please exit and re-enter the car - may restore operation . Just 2 weeks ago it refused to turn on. My wife complains constantly that the thing is making weird noises. She s just gotten used to things like the radio not working for no reason. Luckily we didn t get rid of the car that the model 3 is supposed to replace so my wife is able to go about her day but I can t imagine how much of a PITA this car would be for someone who actually relied on it. I keep thinking I must have just gotten a dud or something. I really want this car to be good (when it s working it s a great car). I want to return this one and hope that I can get one that isn t broken but I don t want to have to wait another couple months to get a working car. I m now sitting and waiting for a tow truck for this less than 6 month old luxury priced car for the second time this is ridiculous. rant | Sucks... But lemon laws were actually passed for a reason apparently in a machine made of thousand of parts for one reason or another this can happen. Any manufacturer could have this problem. Having said this it still sucks that you have such an experience. Keep us updated with how Tesla service deals with this situation | Yikes... if it is 6months old then maybe your situation is unique with an early build model? I ve had mine for 3 months now and while I ve had minor issues that required two trips to the SC nothing quite like being towed. My neighbor however who got his about 5-6mo ago recently had his towed from his driveway. I m really hoping they work out these kinks because it s unacceptable — being towed twice is far above the issues I d expect early adopters to deal with. | 83 | 11 | 2,601 |
8siw1k | 116 | Model 3 woes I ll start out by saying I love my model s. There are some tiny issues with it but overall it s a great car. The model 3 we got on the other hand has been a disaster. It s now sitting in my driveway inoperable for the second time. When you get in it says pull over safely and power reduced - please exit and re-enter the car - may restore operation . Just 2 weeks ago it refused to turn on. My wife complains constantly that the thing is making weird noises. She s just gotten used to things like the radio not working for no reason. Luckily we didn t get rid of the car that the model 3 is supposed to replace so my wife is able to go about her day but I can t imagine how much of a PITA this car would be for someone who actually relied on it. I keep thinking I must have just gotten a dud or something. I really want this car to be good (when it s working it s a great car). I want to return this one and hope that I can get one that isn t broken but I don t want to have to wait another couple months to get a working car. I m now sitting and waiting for a tow truck for this less than 6 month old luxury priced car for the second time this is ridiculous. rant | Sucks... But lemon laws were actually passed for a reason apparently in a machine made of thousand of parts for one reason or another this can happen. Any manufacturer could have this problem. Having said this it still sucks that you have such an experience. Keep us updated with how Tesla service deals with this situation | Sounds like you might have a problem with the 12V battery if I understand correctly. Hopefully Tesla service can get to the bottom of this for you quick. | 83 | 26 | 2,602 |
8sjipc | 64 | PSA if road-tripping this summer includes Cincinnati. Poor placement of Hampton Inn chargers means they will rarely be available. Booked a night at the Hampton Inn in Covington KY (across the river from downtown Cincy) because they had chargers. Arrived around 8:00 PM and saw all the charger spots were ICE d. Asked at the front desk and they suggested keeping an eye out to see if one opens up . Did that until midnight but none of those cars moved. Mainly an FYI. https: imgur.com a ovPU6i5 | Please post this info on [plugshare.com](http: plugshare.com) It is the best resource for L2 information. Also contact the hotel manager and request that a few of the stalls be marked with EV only signage. I recently stayed at a hotel in Minneapolis with a destination charger in a busy parking garage it had signage(ticket or tow) and the stall painted green. Very effective. | Blue Ash isn t that much further if you need a charge. It s out of the way but you gotta do what you gotta do right? | 40 | 4 | 2,603 |
8sjipc | 64 | PSA if road-tripping this summer includes Cincinnati. Poor placement of Hampton Inn chargers means they will rarely be available. Booked a night at the Hampton Inn in Covington KY (across the river from downtown Cincy) because they had chargers. Arrived around 8:00 PM and saw all the charger spots were ICE d. Asked at the front desk and they suggested keeping an eye out to see if one opens up . Did that until midnight but none of those cars moved. Mainly an FYI. https: imgur.com a ovPU6i5 | I would ve asked for a refund. You weren t provided the services you specifically chose the hotel for. | Blue Ash isn t that much further if you need a charge. It s out of the way but you gotta do what you gotta do right? | 31 | 4 | 2,604 |
8skzym | 27 | C& D I-Pace First Drive https: www.caranddriver.com reviews 2019-jaguar-i-pace-the-electric-cat-leaps-first-drive-review?src=nl& mag=cdb& list=nl_dvr_news& date=062018 > That s true even as the 2019 Jaguar I-Pace—a $70 495 five-seat crossover with an estimated 240 miles of range—establishes itself as the most complete electric vehicle yet. A Tesla competitor? Absolutely. Will it suck the life out of Tesla sales? Not a chance. Do you agree? We re finally seeing a credible Model X competitor and Tesla is mentioned several times in the article. | 1& #37 of vehicle sales in the US are electric vehicles. 99& #37 of Tesla s competition is an ICE vehicle not an electric one. | Can someone screenshot the page? It s not readable from EU. | 41 | 2 | 2,605 |
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