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8skzym | 27 | C& D I-Pace First Drive https: www.caranddriver.com reviews 2019-jaguar-i-pace-the-electric-cat-leaps-first-drive-review?src=nl& mag=cdb& list=nl_dvr_news& date=062018 > That s true even as the 2019 Jaguar I-Paceโa $70 495 five-seat crossover with an estimated 240 miles of rangeโestablishes itself as the most complete electric vehicle yet. A Tesla competitor? Absolutely. Will it suck the life out of Tesla sales? Not a chance. Do you agree? We re finally seeing a credible Model X competitor and Tesla is mentioned several times in the article. | 1& #37 of vehicle sales in the US are electric vehicles. 99& #37 of Tesla s competition is an ICE vehicle not an electric one. | Without a dedicated charging network nobody will beat Tesla. It s just that simple. | 41 | 13 | 2,606 |
8sl38m | 174 | [Discussion] Should Business Insider retract their story about punctured batteries being used in Tesla vehicles? Business Insider ran a story recently about punctured battery cells being used in Tesla cars as well as huge amounts of scrap at the Gigafactory. They stated employees as sources and it now seems likely Tripp is their source. | Of course. And I m concerned that they didn t validate with more than one source. Many people in the world have an agenda and good journalists do research to ensure they aren t being taken for a ride. | Only if they want to start establishing some journalistic integrity. The American people don t really demand that anymore though so can you blame them if they don t? | 95 | 12 | 2,607 |
8sl38m | 174 | [Discussion] Should Business Insider retract their story about punctured batteries being used in Tesla vehicles? Business Insider ran a story recently about punctured battery cells being used in Tesla cars as well as huge amounts of scrap at the Gigafactory. They stated employees as sources and it now seems likely Tripp is their source. | Of course. And I m concerned that they didn t validate with more than one source. Many people in the world have an agenda and good journalists do research to ensure they aren t being taken for a ride. | They also say they based it on internal documents . The article that came out yesterday about the 30k model 3 s (and 6k so far in June) stated exactly the same. It s also the same author who wrote it. Finally to answer your question. Yes I think they should make another article saying they were wrong. | 95 | 21 | 2,608 |
8sn64y | 229 | PSA: Model 3 seats go far enough up & forward to break vanity mirrors! I wanted to see how far forward the front seats go so I hopped out of the car and pushed it all the way forward and started raising it up and heard a pop. Since the roof is so low I had to bend down farther to see that the headrest was pressed against the visor. I lowered the seat flipped the visor down and yup... shattered. I feel like quite the dummy. I ll have to call the service center tomorrow and see how much a replacement is. I ll be the first to say it. Username checks out. [Pics](https: imgur.com a gMmOuUj) UPDATE: Spoke to service. Part is $105 (entire visor) and labor is about $12. Not terrible. I submitted feedback via email so maybe they ll look into software limiting the seat from going that far forward or something. | Well now you know. And the more you know... | Doesn t surprise me much but it shouldn t happen. The Model S headrest hits the roof when moved all the way upfront. Hopefully the replacement isn t too expensive or even better hopefully Tesla replaces it free of charge | 96 | 13 | 2,609 |
8sn64y | 229 | PSA: Model 3 seats go far enough up & forward to break vanity mirrors! I wanted to see how far forward the front seats go so I hopped out of the car and pushed it all the way forward and started raising it up and heard a pop. Since the roof is so low I had to bend down farther to see that the headrest was pressed against the visor. I lowered the seat flipped the visor down and yup... shattered. I feel like quite the dummy. I ll have to call the service center tomorrow and see how much a replacement is. I ll be the first to say it. Username checks out. [Pics](https: imgur.com a gMmOuUj) UPDATE: Spoke to service. Part is $105 (entire visor) and labor is about $12. Not terrible. I submitted feedback via email so maybe they ll look into software limiting the seat from going that far forward or something. | Can you save the profile as Shatter Mirrors ? | You re not a moron. Who would ever think it would go that high?! I never would have tried but I m still going with you took one for the team. Hopefully they replace it for free. | 56 | 7 | 2,610 |
8sn64y | 229 | PSA: Model 3 seats go far enough up & forward to break vanity mirrors! I wanted to see how far forward the front seats go so I hopped out of the car and pushed it all the way forward and started raising it up and heard a pop. Since the roof is so low I had to bend down farther to see that the headrest was pressed against the visor. I lowered the seat flipped the visor down and yup... shattered. I feel like quite the dummy. I ll have to call the service center tomorrow and see how much a replacement is. I ll be the first to say it. Username checks out. [Pics](https: imgur.com a gMmOuUj) UPDATE: Spoke to service. Part is $105 (entire visor) and labor is about $12. Not terrible. I submitted feedback via email so maybe they ll look into software limiting the seat from going that far forward or something. | Can you save the profile as Shatter Mirrors ? | Doesn t surprise me much but it shouldn t happen. The Model S headrest hits the roof when moved all the way upfront. Hopefully the replacement isn t too expensive or even better hopefully Tesla replaces it free of charge | 56 | 13 | 2,611 |
8srr5e | 43 | [Discussion] Getting cold feet: Is my $6K Model 3 Deposit refundable? The full price of the Model 3 is finally dawning on me. $81K (CAD) is a lot of money for someone who d be happy getting a $20K car instead and saving up for a house. My Model 3 is already in the showroom and I m supposed to pick it up on Monday. I m getting cold feet. Can I get out of it and have my money back? Edit: So Tesla was willing to give a refund. But I did the maths and decided to finance instead of paying it all in cash while using the money to invest in 7% returns to offset the ~5% interest... And in the long term it saves me money and who knows if self-driving will ever be a thing. | Not sure but if it isn t be careful not to fall under the spell of the sunk cost fallacy. This isn t a $81k car that you ve already put $6k toward. That $6k is gone and no longer factors into your decision. You now need to decide if you want to buy a $75k car. | Nope but it s a rare car I m sure you can resell it pretty quickly for the price you paid. | 155 | 3 | 2,612 |
8srr5e | 43 | [Discussion] Getting cold feet: Is my $6K Model 3 Deposit refundable? The full price of the Model 3 is finally dawning on me. $81K (CAD) is a lot of money for someone who d be happy getting a $20K car instead and saving up for a house. My Model 3 is already in the showroom and I m supposed to pick it up on Monday. I m getting cold feet. Can I get out of it and have my money back? Edit: So Tesla was willing to give a refund. But I did the maths and decided to finance instead of paying it all in cash while using the money to invest in 7% returns to offset the ~5% interest... And in the long term it saves me money and who knows if self-driving will ever be a thing. | Not sure but if it isn t be careful not to fall under the spell of the sunk cost fallacy. This isn t a $81k car that you ve already put $6k toward. That $6k is gone and no longer factors into your decision. You now need to decide if you want to buy a $75k car. | Nope. But it will hold its value for a bit. And if you qualify for a tax credit you can basically drive for free for a few years. Not worth backing out now. Driving a $20k CAD car would suck. | 155 | 3 | 2,613 |
8srr5e | 43 | [Discussion] Getting cold feet: Is my $6K Model 3 Deposit refundable? The full price of the Model 3 is finally dawning on me. $81K (CAD) is a lot of money for someone who d be happy getting a $20K car instead and saving up for a house. My Model 3 is already in the showroom and I m supposed to pick it up on Monday. I m getting cold feet. Can I get out of it and have my money back? Edit: So Tesla was willing to give a refund. But I did the maths and decided to finance instead of paying it all in cash while using the money to invest in 7% returns to offset the ~5% interest... And in the long term it saves me money and who knows if self-driving will ever be a thing. | Not sure but if it isn t be careful not to fall under the spell of the sunk cost fallacy. This isn t a $81k car that you ve already put $6k toward. That $6k is gone and no longer factors into your decision. You now need to decide if you want to buy a $75k car. | you are getting married!! and you couldnt pick a better bride. cold feet are natural haha | 155 | 9 | 2,614 |
8ssrlv | 105 | 2018.24 Vehicle Software Update Megathread **2018.24 began an initial roll out on June 21 2018 and in larger quantities on June 23rd 2018.** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! #####S X 3 (with AP1 and AP2 only): - **New wording on Autopilot** - โHold wheel warningโ wording changed to Apply light force to steering wheel. - **New vector maps on MCU v1 vehicles** - (water will be grey) thanks u scottrobertson. TMC Link Images [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-2018-24-baf6ebc.118637 page-2#post-2821725). - **Speed Limit Mode** - You can now limiting the maximum speed limit in the vehicle using a pin #####Model 3 - **Wifi Networks** - With this release Model 3 now connects to available Wi-Fi networks. Tap the LTE icon at the top of the touchscreen and select the network you want to join - **Cabin Overheat Protection** - When active your vehicle prevents the interior temperature from exceeding .... On by default. - **Summon** - Model 3 can now be summoned in and out of narrow parking spaces using the mobile app. To enable this feature tap Controls Autopilot Summon. To learn how to initiate cancel and customize Summon refer to the Owner s Manual #####Model S and X - **Change Log** - Links [1](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments bb215b61-f744-4e3b-b560-91488cea00b1-jpeg.311379 ) and [2](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments 183c66ec-de26-4478-8ce1-0b1afce5199d-jpeg.311378 ) per TMC and u UGot2Handit2Leprecns - Mobile Connector Updates Display on Instrument Cluster - **New language option in Mexico: Spanish** - Spanish is now available as a language option for your vehicle. To choose Spanish tap CONTROLS Settings Language & Units. When selected the touchscreen will display in Spanish. Voice commands navigation and Media Player will respond to Spanish Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? See our main [OTA Software Megathread]( r TeslaMotors wiki softwareupdates) page for tracking links and details on software updates. Will be updating the page soon with details on how batched deployments occur and how we know to date how Tesla validates signs and pushes updates (to better inform users how OTA updates are tested deployed) and the best steps to retrieve updates if you haven t received one in a long time. If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: \\> > **Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change if possible** | Model 3: * With this release Model 3 now connects to available Wi-Fi networks. Tap the LTE icon at the top of the touchscreen and select the network you want to join * Cabin Overheat Protection - When active your vehicle prevents the interior temperature from exceeding .... On by default. * Summon - Model 3 can now be summoned in and out of narrow parking spaces using the mobile app. To enable this feature tap Controls Autopilot Summon. To learn how to initiate cancel and customize Summon refer to the Owner s Manual Model S X: * New language option in Mexico: Spanish - Spanish is now available as a language option for your vehicle. To choose Spanish tap CONTROLS Settings Language & Units. When selected the touchscreen will display in Spanish. Voice commands navigation and Media Player will respond to Spanish S X 3 (with AP1 and AP2 only): * Speed Limit Mode - | I need this in my liiiiiiife. Still on 2018.18.13 this is the first update I d consider โjust dropping byโ the service center with pizza to get sooner if I thought it d work ๐คฃ | 33 | 2 | 2,615 |
8ssrlv | 105 | 2018.24 Vehicle Software Update Megathread **2018.24 began an initial roll out on June 21 2018 and in larger quantities on June 23rd 2018.** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! #####S X 3 (with AP1 and AP2 only): - **New wording on Autopilot** - โHold wheel warningโ wording changed to Apply light force to steering wheel. - **New vector maps on MCU v1 vehicles** - (water will be grey) thanks u scottrobertson. TMC Link Images [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-2018-24-baf6ebc.118637 page-2#post-2821725). - **Speed Limit Mode** - You can now limiting the maximum speed limit in the vehicle using a pin #####Model 3 - **Wifi Networks** - With this release Model 3 now connects to available Wi-Fi networks. Tap the LTE icon at the top of the touchscreen and select the network you want to join - **Cabin Overheat Protection** - When active your vehicle prevents the interior temperature from exceeding .... On by default. - **Summon** - Model 3 can now be summoned in and out of narrow parking spaces using the mobile app. To enable this feature tap Controls Autopilot Summon. To learn how to initiate cancel and customize Summon refer to the Owner s Manual #####Model S and X - **Change Log** - Links [1](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments bb215b61-f744-4e3b-b560-91488cea00b1-jpeg.311379 ) and [2](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments 183c66ec-de26-4478-8ce1-0b1afce5199d-jpeg.311378 ) per TMC and u UGot2Handit2Leprecns - Mobile Connector Updates Display on Instrument Cluster - **New language option in Mexico: Spanish** - Spanish is now available as a language option for your vehicle. To choose Spanish tap CONTROLS Settings Language & Units. When selected the touchscreen will display in Spanish. Voice commands navigation and Media Player will respond to Spanish Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? See our main [OTA Software Megathread]( r TeslaMotors wiki softwareupdates) page for tracking links and details on software updates. Will be updating the page soon with details on how batched deployments occur and how we know to date how Tesla validates signs and pushes updates (to better inform users how OTA updates are tested deployed) and the best steps to retrieve updates if you haven t received one in a long time. If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: \\> > **Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change if possible** | Model 3: * With this release Model 3 now connects to available Wi-Fi networks. Tap the LTE icon at the top of the touchscreen and select the network you want to join * Cabin Overheat Protection - When active your vehicle prevents the interior temperature from exceeding .... On by default. * Summon - Model 3 can now be summoned in and out of narrow parking spaces using the mobile app. To enable this feature tap Controls Autopilot Summon. To learn how to initiate cancel and customize Summon refer to the Owner s Manual Model S X: * New language option in Mexico: Spanish - Spanish is now available as a language option for your vehicle. To choose Spanish tap CONTROLS Settings Language & Units. When selected the touchscreen will display in Spanish. Voice commands navigation and Media Player will respond to Spanish S X 3 (with AP1 and AP2 only): * Speed Limit Mode - | Do the vehicle software updates happen at the same time regardless of where you live? I m in Canada so i m used to a delay when it comes to updates. | 33 | 2 | 2,616 |
8ssrlv | 105 | 2018.24 Vehicle Software Update Megathread **2018.24 began an initial roll out on June 21 2018 and in larger quantities on June 23rd 2018.** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! #####S X 3 (with AP1 and AP2 only): - **New wording on Autopilot** - โHold wheel warningโ wording changed to Apply light force to steering wheel. - **New vector maps on MCU v1 vehicles** - (water will be grey) thanks u scottrobertson. TMC Link Images [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-2018-24-baf6ebc.118637 page-2#post-2821725). - **Speed Limit Mode** - You can now limiting the maximum speed limit in the vehicle using a pin #####Model 3 - **Wifi Networks** - With this release Model 3 now connects to available Wi-Fi networks. Tap the LTE icon at the top of the touchscreen and select the network you want to join - **Cabin Overheat Protection** - When active your vehicle prevents the interior temperature from exceeding .... On by default. - **Summon** - Model 3 can now be summoned in and out of narrow parking spaces using the mobile app. To enable this feature tap Controls Autopilot Summon. To learn how to initiate cancel and customize Summon refer to the Owner s Manual #####Model S and X - **Change Log** - Links [1](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments bb215b61-f744-4e3b-b560-91488cea00b1-jpeg.311379 ) and [2](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc attachments 183c66ec-de26-4478-8ce1-0b1afce5199d-jpeg.311378 ) per TMC and u UGot2Handit2Leprecns - Mobile Connector Updates Display on Instrument Cluster - **New language option in Mexico: Spanish** - Spanish is now available as a language option for your vehicle. To choose Spanish tap CONTROLS Settings Language & Units. When selected the touchscreen will display in Spanish. Voice commands navigation and Media Player will respond to Spanish Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? See our main [OTA Software Megathread]( r TeslaMotors wiki softwareupdates) page for tracking links and details on software updates. Will be updating the page soon with details on how batched deployments occur and how we know to date how Tesla validates signs and pushes updates (to better inform users how OTA updates are tested deployed) and the best steps to retrieve updates if you haven t received one in a long time. If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: \\> > **Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change if possible** | Model 3: * With this release Model 3 now connects to available Wi-Fi networks. Tap the LTE icon at the top of the touchscreen and select the network you want to join * Cabin Overheat Protection - When active your vehicle prevents the interior temperature from exceeding .... On by default. * Summon - Model 3 can now be summoned in and out of narrow parking spaces using the mobile app. To enable this feature tap Controls Autopilot Summon. To learn how to initiate cancel and customize Summon refer to the Owner s Manual Model S X: * New language option in Mexico: Spanish - Spanish is now available as a language option for your vehicle. To choose Spanish tap CONTROLS Settings Language & Units. When selected the touchscreen will display in Spanish. Voice commands navigation and Media Player will respond to Spanish S X 3 (with AP1 and AP2 only): * Speed Limit Mode - | Any word on blind spot monitoring - or was that pic posted earlier this week a fluke of a car driving by as the sonar visual appeared? | 33 | 5 | 2,617 |
8stc0n | 254 | Aero Caps: 233 wH mi without 209 wH mi with them on ~ 10% increase in range I took off my aero caps last week to see how they would affect range and to try a different look. After consistently getting 208 - 215 Wh miles on my commute (30 miles mostly interstate with AP set to 72 mph and an average speed of about 60 mph) I couldn t get under 232 Wh mile with the caps off. I put them back on last night and drove to work this morning and ended up back at 209 Wh mile. I know I ve seen some suggest that there is not a bit difference between caps on and caps off but for my commute at ~65-72 mph the difference appears to be between 6 and 10% which was surprising to me. Have others seen this kind of difference? Note: other conditions have been pretty similar - it s been warm and humid and I ve kept the AC around 73. It s not generally windy here in the mornings. Edit: wH to Wh | This may be the first time in internet history when ALL CAPS is a good thing! | I can t comment on the 3 but on my FIAT 500e I got some snazzy open spoke summer wheels which absolutely kill the highway range (not nearly as noticeable around town < 40mph.) The car comes with aero-style wheels as standard equipment (with little plastic fins to cover the open spokes similar to the BMW i3) and while I know my larger summer wheels also weigh a bit more than the stock ones I have no doubt they cut my highway range easily 10-15%. I would suspect that removing the fins from my stock 500e wheels would also change highway range by a 5-10% margin so your data seems spot on. | 39 | 3 | 2,618 |
8stc0n | 254 | Aero Caps: 233 wH mi without 209 wH mi with them on ~ 10% increase in range I took off my aero caps last week to see how they would affect range and to try a different look. After consistently getting 208 - 215 Wh miles on my commute (30 miles mostly interstate with AP set to 72 mph and an average speed of about 60 mph) I couldn t get under 232 Wh mile with the caps off. I put them back on last night and drove to work this morning and ended up back at 209 Wh mile. I know I ve seen some suggest that there is not a bit difference between caps on and caps off but for my commute at ~65-72 mph the difference appears to be between 6 and 10% which was surprising to me. Have others seen this kind of difference? Note: other conditions have been pretty similar - it s been warm and humid and I ve kept the AC around 73. It s not generally windy here in the mornings. Edit: wH to Wh | This may be the first time in internet history when ALL CAPS is a good thing! | great info thanks for sharing. For science you should also try the same commute with the Tesla 19in upgrade rims :) I wonder if those are even worse than the 18in w aero cap off or the same. | 39 | 3 | 2,619 |
8stc0n | 254 | Aero Caps: 233 wH mi without 209 wH mi with them on ~ 10% increase in range I took off my aero caps last week to see how they would affect range and to try a different look. After consistently getting 208 - 215 Wh miles on my commute (30 miles mostly interstate with AP set to 72 mph and an average speed of about 60 mph) I couldn t get under 232 Wh mile with the caps off. I put them back on last night and drove to work this morning and ended up back at 209 Wh mile. I know I ve seen some suggest that there is not a bit difference between caps on and caps off but for my commute at ~65-72 mph the difference appears to be between 6 and 10% which was surprising to me. Have others seen this kind of difference? Note: other conditions have been pretty similar - it s been warm and humid and I ve kept the AC around 73. It s not generally windy here in the mornings. Edit: wH to Wh | This may be the first time in internet history when ALL CAPS is a good thing! | Awesome to hear. I m curious to see how much more range a SR model 3 in the winter will get with these wheels vs the 19 s. SR bc winter range will be more critical for them | 39 | 3 | 2,620 |
8su1ty | 101 | VINs are really ticking up: just got mine assigned 388xx White w aero EAP. Nothing much more to say just didn t realize the VINs had gotten quite that high | I just wanted to reassure anyone who is assigned a seemingly low VIN to not be concerned. I received my VIN 2 weeks ago - 174xx I was concerned that it could be a rejected car defective one. Took delivery yesterday and it was manufactured in 06 2018. They don t go in order and still seem to be making random low VINs. Car is perfect by the way. No flaws it s pearl white and my bumper paint matches. Completely silent inside drives great has recent firmware. Very happy overall. | When did you order? I ordered the same on May 25th. | 92 | 6 | 2,621 |
8swdys | 28 | Something feels off Last Friday I received an email from a person named Jennifer letting me know we are ready to get things set up for delivery. Her template looking email asked for things that are already in my profile. The delivery location was in a different state with no explanation. With the lack of info for me and asking for potentially sensitive information they already have I replied stating that this information did not match my expectations and that the email seemed like a phishing attempt. Over the weekend with no response I did some googleing and it seems like Oklahoma does pick up in Texas. I emailed her again giving only my address. I got a response saying Thanks for answering our questions and that payment need to be made in full before delever can be worked out. She said that as soon as I get a preapproval letter to send it to her. Okay this seems a bit generic but I went ahead and secured financing. I needed her to change the address on my purchase agreement for the bank. She replied that she did but didn t send me the document and the one on the site isn t what I need. She reminded me that I need to pay in full before anything else will happen. Said I should mail the check to the Las Vegas address in her signature. Do note that I have asked several questions that have not been answered or acknowledged. Does this sound normal? It feels like with a little information someone could trick me into sending a 50 thousand dollar check to them. If this is legit then it sure does leave some room for improvement for customer service. Is there a way I can validate that this is the process and a real tesla motors employee? I have been searching and have not found information that makes me feel better about what is happening. I am currently on day 2 of waiting for the updated purchase agreement my lender needs to move forward. Also note that when I talked with my loan officer she said that she works with tesla quite a bit and this was different than she has experienced. I really want my new car but don t want to get tricked out of a years salary. I imagine that the ramp up is tough on everyone but this isn t a $40 widget and I need a bit of information to help me through the process. | You can always go to your Tesla account and call the number there. They can confirm if your sales advisor is Jennifer. | The Model 3 sales team is based in Las Vegas. The checks do go there. | 52 | 10 | 2,622 |
8sxb0j | 113 | God as my witness my autopilot just tapped the brakes to slow down when it saw a pothole... Was driving my 3 home tonight on a different road and thought I would see how EAP did on a local street with a 35 mph limit (I ve gotten pulled over for speeding here before so partly wanted to use EAP to keep my speed in check. Anyway driving along with no traffic and the car suddenly slows by 5-10 mph just before -thunk- a huge pothole. I wrote it off as a glitch but not 15 minutes later there was another huge pothole and the same thing happened. (Lots of new potholes around here because of the crazy rainy season we ve had). Has anybody else experienced this? Am I nuts? | I had autopilot slam on the brakes on the highway today because I was going under an overpass that was casting a very dark and sharp shadow on the road. First time that has happened for me. Thankfully no one was behind me. | > so perky wanted to use ~~AEP~~ EAP to keep my speed in check. FTFY In all seriousness let us know what version you are on as well for science... | 52 | 2 | 2,623 |
8t0mzg | 1,141 | I look down the line a bit and ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฌ ๐๐ฅ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ญ๐ฌ. In a Twitter thread [Elon confirmed that a couple of weeks ago he was torquing bolts on the Model 3 general assembly line 4 (GA4)](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1010028341921964032) the famous assembly line inside the growing temporary lightweight tent aluminum structure which line is intended to bridge a Model 3 production bottleneck to reach 5 000 cars week output. I found the background of this short comment by Elon interesting as well it was first reported by a Tesla Motors Club member whose son is a PhD student doing summer work at Tesla [who described a phone call he had with his son about working with Elon Musk on the construction of the GA4 line](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads general-discussion-2018-investor-roundtable.105297 page-575#post-2821288) the following way: > My kid has been working the GA4 line. I won t reveal much since I think that s prudent. > > [...] > > Got fancy-school post grad quant degree in one year now on way to PhD studies and **stopped off at Tesla for the summer to work with other nerds on Tesla technology**. > > 3 weeks in he gets a late night text from boss: report to factory tomorrow morning with just map dot coordinates and a phone # (really). Arrives with other nerds and no idea what s up and is handed a voucher to go down the road for a pair of Red Wings. > > Then returns and is directed into the GA4 tent and shown the line and where to be and what to do. It s very clear that this is all-hands on deck. Anyone who can be spared is here to help. It s hard work possibly the first physical work-for-pay of this sheltered life. > > On GA4 there s a gallimaufry of backgrounds education and skills all cranking hard. But also a see one do one teach one approach where people are coming in taking over forming the cartilage of the line and teams that become the next shift. > > I hear these things too: > > -- Robots don t get sore shoulders. > > **-- I look down the line a bit and there s Elon torquing bolts.** > > -- I come in the next morning and engineering has completely reconstructed how a whole section works. It s faster. > -- Yes I m now very glad I went to college but I also have a new frame of reference for when I think that is not do-able . This GA4 thing is incredible chaotic and ramping. > > All I can say in response to this brief phone conv is wow. i m so impressed. experience of a lifetime. you are awesome . Stopped short of you are now my favorite kid! . > > Sort of wishing it was me 35 years younger. > > But just proud. In the Twitter thread [Elon confirmed that he was personally working on GA4](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1010028341921964032): > Yeah but I m not sure what the big deal is. I like building things. If that ends up being useful work too even better. Later in the discussion [Elon lists a number of things he has built in the past](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1010035029726990336): > **When I was a kid I built model airplanes trainsets rockets (mixed my own powder) explosives (kinda surprised I still have all fingers) a radio lots of software. Built a primitive MRI machine in college.** Elon truly is a maker and I m sure most of humanity is glad that the childhood experiment with explosives went well! ๐ | Sometimes you just have to do the job yourself so you can better understand pain points and constraints. | So the one in the tent is GA4 not GA3? GA3 is already making cars? | 359 | 6 | 2,624 |
8t0mzg | 1,141 | I look down the line a bit and ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฌ ๐๐ฅ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ญ๐ฌ. In a Twitter thread [Elon confirmed that a couple of weeks ago he was torquing bolts on the Model 3 general assembly line 4 (GA4)](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1010028341921964032) the famous assembly line inside the growing temporary lightweight tent aluminum structure which line is intended to bridge a Model 3 production bottleneck to reach 5 000 cars week output. I found the background of this short comment by Elon interesting as well it was first reported by a Tesla Motors Club member whose son is a PhD student doing summer work at Tesla [who described a phone call he had with his son about working with Elon Musk on the construction of the GA4 line](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads general-discussion-2018-investor-roundtable.105297 page-575#post-2821288) the following way: > My kid has been working the GA4 line. I won t reveal much since I think that s prudent. > > [...] > > Got fancy-school post grad quant degree in one year now on way to PhD studies and **stopped off at Tesla for the summer to work with other nerds on Tesla technology**. > > 3 weeks in he gets a late night text from boss: report to factory tomorrow morning with just map dot coordinates and a phone # (really). Arrives with other nerds and no idea what s up and is handed a voucher to go down the road for a pair of Red Wings. > > Then returns and is directed into the GA4 tent and shown the line and where to be and what to do. It s very clear that this is all-hands on deck. Anyone who can be spared is here to help. It s hard work possibly the first physical work-for-pay of this sheltered life. > > On GA4 there s a gallimaufry of backgrounds education and skills all cranking hard. But also a see one do one teach one approach where people are coming in taking over forming the cartilage of the line and teams that become the next shift. > > I hear these things too: > > -- Robots don t get sore shoulders. > > **-- I look down the line a bit and there s Elon torquing bolts.** > > -- I come in the next morning and engineering has completely reconstructed how a whole section works. It s faster. > -- Yes I m now very glad I went to college but I also have a new frame of reference for when I think that is not do-able . This GA4 thing is incredible chaotic and ramping. > > All I can say in response to this brief phone conv is wow. i m so impressed. experience of a lifetime. you are awesome . Stopped short of you are now my favorite kid! . > > Sort of wishing it was me 35 years younger. > > But just proud. In the Twitter thread [Elon confirmed that he was personally working on GA4](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1010028341921964032): > Yeah but I m not sure what the big deal is. I like building things. If that ends up being useful work too even better. Later in the discussion [Elon lists a number of things he has built in the past](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1010035029726990336): > **When I was a kid I built model airplanes trainsets rockets (mixed my own powder) explosives (kinda surprised I still have all fingers) a radio lots of software. Built a primitive MRI machine in college.** Elon truly is a maker and I m sure most of humanity is glad that the childhood experiment with explosives went well! ๐ | Sometimes you just have to do the job yourself so you can better understand pain points and constraints. | BTW. this discussion was a follow-up from Elon related to the [Chicago tunnel project the Boring Company recently won](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1009950544490741761) so it kind of went under the radar. | 359 | 35 | 2,625 |
8t0mzg | 1,141 | I look down the line a bit and ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฌ ๐๐ฅ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐จ๐ซ๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ญ๐ฌ. In a Twitter thread [Elon confirmed that a couple of weeks ago he was torquing bolts on the Model 3 general assembly line 4 (GA4)](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1010028341921964032) the famous assembly line inside the growing temporary lightweight tent aluminum structure which line is intended to bridge a Model 3 production bottleneck to reach 5 000 cars week output. I found the background of this short comment by Elon interesting as well it was first reported by a Tesla Motors Club member whose son is a PhD student doing summer work at Tesla [who described a phone call he had with his son about working with Elon Musk on the construction of the GA4 line](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads general-discussion-2018-investor-roundtable.105297 page-575#post-2821288) the following way: > My kid has been working the GA4 line. I won t reveal much since I think that s prudent. > > [...] > > Got fancy-school post grad quant degree in one year now on way to PhD studies and **stopped off at Tesla for the summer to work with other nerds on Tesla technology**. > > 3 weeks in he gets a late night text from boss: report to factory tomorrow morning with just map dot coordinates and a phone # (really). Arrives with other nerds and no idea what s up and is handed a voucher to go down the road for a pair of Red Wings. > > Then returns and is directed into the GA4 tent and shown the line and where to be and what to do. It s very clear that this is all-hands on deck. Anyone who can be spared is here to help. It s hard work possibly the first physical work-for-pay of this sheltered life. > > On GA4 there s a gallimaufry of backgrounds education and skills all cranking hard. But also a see one do one teach one approach where people are coming in taking over forming the cartilage of the line and teams that become the next shift. > > I hear these things too: > > -- Robots don t get sore shoulders. > > **-- I look down the line a bit and there s Elon torquing bolts.** > > -- I come in the next morning and engineering has completely reconstructed how a whole section works. It s faster. > -- Yes I m now very glad I went to college but I also have a new frame of reference for when I think that is not do-able . This GA4 thing is incredible chaotic and ramping. > > All I can say in response to this brief phone conv is wow. i m so impressed. experience of a lifetime. you are awesome . Stopped short of you are now my favorite kid! . > > Sort of wishing it was me 35 years younger. > > But just proud. In the Twitter thread [Elon confirmed that he was personally working on GA4](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1010028341921964032): > Yeah but I m not sure what the big deal is. I like building things. If that ends up being useful work too even better. Later in the discussion [Elon lists a number of things he has built in the past](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1010035029726990336): > **When I was a kid I built model airplanes trainsets rockets (mixed my own powder) explosives (kinda surprised I still have all fingers) a radio lots of software. Built a primitive MRI machine in college.** Elon truly is a maker and I m sure most of humanity is glad that the childhood experiment with explosives went well! ๐ | Sometimes you just have to do the job yourself so you can better understand pain points and constraints. | Reminds me of the Iron Man 1 scene. He built an **assembly line** WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS IN A **TENT**. | 359 | 93 | 2,626 |
8t2222 | 34 | Any official data on how a model 3 will preform in -40 weather (Canadian prairies). Their calculator only goes to -10. I am really wanting to order a 3 for our daily driver but need solid data on how it will preform. Thanks. | Have you considered a tauntaun? | Look up YouYouXue s roadtrip. Range really suffers in the cold due to all the energy consumed heating the cabin. | 101 | 3 | 2,627 |
8teef4 | 33 | [discussion] when (if ever) will 4 1 16 reservation holders actually get to configure their cars? we re going on three weeks tomorrow that elon made his twitter post saying that day two res holders would get to configure in the next few days and still nothing. no new invites. i m a morning of 4 1 16 res holder sitting here with a may-july delivery window (still) that they seemingly have no chance of hitting at this point...yet they have yet to bump it and still no word on when (if ever) we ll actually get to order first production. it s seemingly pretty obvious that they re trying to delay 200k til after the end of the quarter but any cars ordered now wouldn t be delivered til after the 1st anyway...so what the hell is actually going on here? any thoughts? when will we actually get to order and (perhaps more importantly) when will we actually get to take delivery? edit: just saw the post about how anyone who orders after july 1 will only get free streaming for a year then have to pay after that. so i guess we ll see our invite on july 2. i ve defended them a lot but this really fucking blows. | Never dude you will never get to configure. They are purposely singling out 4 1 16 reservations. | Same boat. I had to sleep on it after seeing the oddly faceless TM3 online during the reveal event. Reserved at 5:30 am on the 1st. But I m Mid-Coast so I don t expect to be able to configure as soon as the folks who Californicate. ) | 61 | 2 | 2,628 |
8teef4 | 33 | [discussion] when (if ever) will 4 1 16 reservation holders actually get to configure their cars? we re going on three weeks tomorrow that elon made his twitter post saying that day two res holders would get to configure in the next few days and still nothing. no new invites. i m a morning of 4 1 16 res holder sitting here with a may-july delivery window (still) that they seemingly have no chance of hitting at this point...yet they have yet to bump it and still no word on when (if ever) we ll actually get to order first production. it s seemingly pretty obvious that they re trying to delay 200k til after the end of the quarter but any cars ordered now wouldn t be delivered til after the 1st anyway...so what the hell is actually going on here? any thoughts? when will we actually get to order and (perhaps more importantly) when will we actually get to take delivery? edit: just saw the post about how anyone who orders after july 1 will only get free streaming for a year then have to pay after that. so i guess we ll see our invite on july 2. i ve defended them a lot but this really fucking blows. | Never dude you will never get to configure. They are purposely singling out 4 1 16 reservations. | What post. Same boat. : | 61 | 3 | 2,629 |
8teef4 | 33 | [discussion] when (if ever) will 4 1 16 reservation holders actually get to configure their cars? we re going on three weeks tomorrow that elon made his twitter post saying that day two res holders would get to configure in the next few days and still nothing. no new invites. i m a morning of 4 1 16 res holder sitting here with a may-july delivery window (still) that they seemingly have no chance of hitting at this point...yet they have yet to bump it and still no word on when (if ever) we ll actually get to order first production. it s seemingly pretty obvious that they re trying to delay 200k til after the end of the quarter but any cars ordered now wouldn t be delivered til after the 1st anyway...so what the hell is actually going on here? any thoughts? when will we actually get to order and (perhaps more importantly) when will we actually get to take delivery? edit: just saw the post about how anyone who orders after july 1 will only get free streaming for a year then have to pay after that. so i guess we ll see our invite on july 2. i ve defended them a lot but this really fucking blows. | Never dude you will never get to configure. They are purposely singling out 4 1 16 reservations. | No one knows for certain but a good guess would be that they ve decided it is better to wait and not take new orders until the backlog is addressed in July. People will not get their cars any sooner. | 61 | 4 | 2,630 |
8tf9vm | 49 | [Discussion] My UMC just opened my neighbor s charge port on his S parked in his driveway Opened my garage door pressed the button on my UMC to release the charger and heard a noise from my neighbor s driveway 20 ft away (townhouse subdivision). Look over and the charge port on his S is open and glowing. Not a big deal but is that normal? Seems like it would be annoying at like workplace EV charging spots or anywhere where Teslas are gathered | You d better go close his charge port so no one siphons his electrons. | Yeah it s normal but the port will close on its own in a few seconds. Luckily you can t use this trick to remove a charger since the car would have to be unlocked. | 44 | 8 | 2,631 |
8tg93j | 105 | The death of SolarCity (as we know it) has finally come and I wish it had come sooner... Their website - www.solarcity.com - now redirects to Tesla s website. Not sure when this went into effect but I was checking on it somewhat frequently to see when it would officially fade away into the internet abyss. I maintained a small position in the company but eventually sold at around $45 after having purchased in the high $30s several years prior. When Tesla bought SolarCity it was extremely relieving for a few reasons... - Everything that effected SolarCity would effect Tesla. When SolarCity was being destroyed by the short sellers & longs it s bad days would pull Tesla s share price down due to the Musk factor no matter how unrelated the events were. - It required some of Elon s attention because it was under constant assault. - Tesla paid very little for the company and it was a 100% good match as far as an ecosystem purchase. (I happen to be a SolarCity customer and don t own a Tesla yet...not a coincidence!) - With the low hanging fruit gone in residential solar selling solar out of Tesla s showrooms would drastically lower new customer acquisition costs compared to any other alternatives increasing profitability as solar technology would improve in the coming years. - It increased the amount of short-sellers in Tesla because they transitioned their SolarCity short position into a Tesla short position. My biggest disappointment has been that it took Elon a lot longer to do what I thought should have been done immediately after Tesla purchased the company. It was clear based on my own experience that SolarCity had way too many employees. I was always thinking the massive reorganization of SolarCity would come and it didn t. When it finally came this month I was relieved. There was always a SolarCity cloud hovering over Tesla (in my mind). It is nice to have it gone. I hate that people lost their jobs but luckily they get to say they worked for Tesla when they apply to their next employer which is something I wish I could have on my resume. Also Tesla seems to be going above and beyond regarding stock compensation so I m happy to see them at least get something for their pain and suffering in addition to their unemployment compensation from their states. I m really liking what I m seeing. I know I ll jinx it and next week a meteor will hit the factory but I like what I m seeing. - Elon appears to be 90%+ focused on Tesla compared to the normal 50 50 we ve been seeing over the years. - Elon Deepak and JB seem to be more powerful united and determined than I ve ever seen them in years. - The shareholder base continues to be united. DID YOU KNOW THAT 90%+ OF ALL SHAREHOLDERS SUPPORTED THE TESLA BOARD S VOTING RECOMMENDATIONS? BET YOU DIDN T! MEDIA DON T WANT YOU TO KNOW! Tesla Q2 is a moment of transition for Tesla. Good chance we see an insane amount of vehicles in transit at the end of the quarter setting up for an insane Q3 and Q4 and beyond as this company finally becomes a major auto-manufacturer. When Elon said Q3 Q4 profit cash flow positive was coming I didn t understand. But the cloud is gone...and it now makes sense. DISCLOSURE: Long TSLA cuz I like pain and suffering and I m a lemming troubled-investor cultist idiot fanboy Muskbro (insert media phrase-of-the-day here). | Full disclosure I m definitely all in on Tesla and Musk for the future but solarcity was a terrible acquisition by Tesla. Musk bought a company saddled with absolutely massive debt that has almost certainly slowed down the progression of Tesla and cost it a ton of capital to manage the debt that came with it. Without that acquisition Tesla would have plenty of cash and there would be no concerns about a capital raise bankruptcy at all. Tesla paid 2.6 billion and took on 3 billion in debt. Think of how nice having that extra 5.6 billion would be right now. Also note this is not revisionist history as many advisory firms decried the deal at the time. I hope Musk can turn it around because the solar roof both looks awesome and fits in with the Tesla ecosystem but him trying to save that business through Tesla financing has cost Tesla significant amounts in money and time delaying the electric car revolution. | Agreed. | 68 | 5 | 2,632 |
8thfm8 | 46 | [Discussion] My Model 3 has 5k miles and my tires are down to 8 32. Is this the normal wear for the stock tires everyone is seeing? I never checked what the wear was when at delivery 2 months ago but feel like this is crazy fast to be down to 8 32. Edit: I have the 18 wheels and have kept aero covers on. Edit2: it appears the stock tread depth is 8 32 so mystery solved | The tires COME at 8 32 https: www.michelinman.com upload michelin_us specifications specs-primacy-mxm4.pdf | What s your Wh mile for the lifetime of the vehicle out of curiosity? | 97 | 2 | 2,633 |
8thfm8 | 46 | [Discussion] My Model 3 has 5k miles and my tires are down to 8 32. Is this the normal wear for the stock tires everyone is seeing? I never checked what the wear was when at delivery 2 months ago but feel like this is crazy fast to be down to 8 32. Edit: I have the 18 wheels and have kept aero covers on. Edit2: it appears the stock tread depth is 8 32 so mystery solved | The tires COME at 8 32 https: www.michelinman.com upload michelin_us specifications specs-primacy-mxm4.pdf | Mine are at 8 but I only have 2 700 miles on the car. | 97 | 2 | 2,634 |
8thfm8 | 46 | [Discussion] My Model 3 has 5k miles and my tires are down to 8 32. Is this the normal wear for the stock tires everyone is seeing? I never checked what the wear was when at delivery 2 months ago but feel like this is crazy fast to be down to 8 32. Edit: I have the 18 wheels and have kept aero covers on. Edit2: it appears the stock tread depth is 8 32 so mystery solved | The tires COME at 8 32 https: www.michelinman.com upload michelin_us specifications specs-primacy-mxm4.pdf | Upvoting as I m curious. That said if 10 32 is new and 2 32 is must replace by law -- you re on track for 2 32 at 20K miles. | 97 | 17 | 2,635 |
8tpk24 | 111 | Tesla Battery Breakdown - Why They Outperform Competitors. Tesla is well renown for having the *best batteries in the world*. I m only more of that opinion after doing a quick breakdown on the economics. With the recent **4x increase in cobalt prices** a key component of a Tesla NCA Battery all EV car companies have struggled to secure supplies. Luckily Tesla have already made good progress and in partnership with Panasonic have reduced cobalt usage by 60% since the Roadster in 2009. Partially this is because Tesla has chosen to use NCA cell compositions unlike every other car company which uses NMC. - In 2012 Tesla was consuming 11kg of cobalt per vehicle on average. - Today Tesla consumes 4.5kg of cobalt per vehicle on average. Breaking this down at a current spot price cobalt costs $36.06 USD lb. 1kg = 2.20462 pounds. spot price * 2.20462 = $79.489 USD kg. $79.489 * 4.5 = $357 USD. With these rough calculations we can assume **each Tesla has $357 worth of cobalt in its battery**. Compared to what the average EV currently uses. Based on a battery size of 60kWH: 79.489 USD kg * 1.6kg * 0.33 (NMC 111 Battery) * 60 = **$2 518 USD per average EV or 10 times the cobalt of a Tesla.** In my opinion **~~Tesla is 10 years ahead of every single car company~~ months ahead in terms of battery technology**. This will only continue to show as cobalt prices increase. While cobalt usage is decreasing in batteries it s not going down at the rate demand is going up meaning other car companies that do not have the in-house experience to produce batteries are left footing the bill. While I don t think cobalt will be reduced to total zero in their next gen battery as Musk has stated on Twitter. I do think they will substantially reduce cobalt usage when compared to peers. This will mean Tesla isn t as susceptible to cobalt price fluctuations as global demand increases. [More Cobalt Talk + Full Analysis](https: medium.com @tristanhcole cobalt-do-todays-prices-have-a-ceiling-5e9e60224a56) EDIT: u foxtrotdeltamike who works in EV development has brought up some valid points in terms of Tesla battery technology which although it is generally considered more advanced and uses less cobalt is only months ahead of competitors at best. | I might agree with 3-5 years but even that s kind of a stretch. 10 years is just crazy. In 10 years I expect to have batteries 2-3x the capacity of current manufacturing. They re clearly ahead of the competition especially with their battery modules management system. However it only takes a couple of years to build a new factory and there are A LOT of people pushing battery chemistry research. I don t think Tesla will be passed anytime soon but other companies will probably be able to catch up over the next 5ish years. That s a good thing. That s exactly what Elon wants. To push the world towards less fossil fuel usage and increased electric adoption rates. | Well written and informative article ... | 47 | 4 | 2,636 |
8tpk24 | 111 | Tesla Battery Breakdown - Why They Outperform Competitors. Tesla is well renown for having the *best batteries in the world*. I m only more of that opinion after doing a quick breakdown on the economics. With the recent **4x increase in cobalt prices** a key component of a Tesla NCA Battery all EV car companies have struggled to secure supplies. Luckily Tesla have already made good progress and in partnership with Panasonic have reduced cobalt usage by 60% since the Roadster in 2009. Partially this is because Tesla has chosen to use NCA cell compositions unlike every other car company which uses NMC. - In 2012 Tesla was consuming 11kg of cobalt per vehicle on average. - Today Tesla consumes 4.5kg of cobalt per vehicle on average. Breaking this down at a current spot price cobalt costs $36.06 USD lb. 1kg = 2.20462 pounds. spot price * 2.20462 = $79.489 USD kg. $79.489 * 4.5 = $357 USD. With these rough calculations we can assume **each Tesla has $357 worth of cobalt in its battery**. Compared to what the average EV currently uses. Based on a battery size of 60kWH: 79.489 USD kg * 1.6kg * 0.33 (NMC 111 Battery) * 60 = **$2 518 USD per average EV or 10 times the cobalt of a Tesla.** In my opinion **~~Tesla is 10 years ahead of every single car company~~ months ahead in terms of battery technology**. This will only continue to show as cobalt prices increase. While cobalt usage is decreasing in batteries it s not going down at the rate demand is going up meaning other car companies that do not have the in-house experience to produce batteries are left footing the bill. While I don t think cobalt will be reduced to total zero in their next gen battery as Musk has stated on Twitter. I do think they will substantially reduce cobalt usage when compared to peers. This will mean Tesla isn t as susceptible to cobalt price fluctuations as global demand increases. [More Cobalt Talk + Full Analysis](https: medium.com @tristanhcole cobalt-do-todays-prices-have-a-ceiling-5e9e60224a56) EDIT: u foxtrotdeltamike who works in EV development has brought up some valid points in terms of Tesla battery technology which although it is generally considered more advanced and uses less cobalt is only months ahead of competitors at best. | I might agree with 3-5 years but even that s kind of a stretch. 10 years is just crazy. In 10 years I expect to have batteries 2-3x the capacity of current manufacturing. They re clearly ahead of the competition especially with their battery modules management system. However it only takes a couple of years to build a new factory and there are A LOT of people pushing battery chemistry research. I don t think Tesla will be passed anytime soon but other companies will probably be able to catch up over the next 5ish years. That s a good thing. That s exactly what Elon wants. To push the world towards less fossil fuel usage and increased electric adoption rates. | Great analysis but do you have any data on cells used by other manufacturers? That would make a clearer comparison to support your view. | 47 | 8 | 2,637 |
8tpk24 | 111 | Tesla Battery Breakdown - Why They Outperform Competitors. Tesla is well renown for having the *best batteries in the world*. I m only more of that opinion after doing a quick breakdown on the economics. With the recent **4x increase in cobalt prices** a key component of a Tesla NCA Battery all EV car companies have struggled to secure supplies. Luckily Tesla have already made good progress and in partnership with Panasonic have reduced cobalt usage by 60% since the Roadster in 2009. Partially this is because Tesla has chosen to use NCA cell compositions unlike every other car company which uses NMC. - In 2012 Tesla was consuming 11kg of cobalt per vehicle on average. - Today Tesla consumes 4.5kg of cobalt per vehicle on average. Breaking this down at a current spot price cobalt costs $36.06 USD lb. 1kg = 2.20462 pounds. spot price * 2.20462 = $79.489 USD kg. $79.489 * 4.5 = $357 USD. With these rough calculations we can assume **each Tesla has $357 worth of cobalt in its battery**. Compared to what the average EV currently uses. Based on a battery size of 60kWH: 79.489 USD kg * 1.6kg * 0.33 (NMC 111 Battery) * 60 = **$2 518 USD per average EV or 10 times the cobalt of a Tesla.** In my opinion **~~Tesla is 10 years ahead of every single car company~~ months ahead in terms of battery technology**. This will only continue to show as cobalt prices increase. While cobalt usage is decreasing in batteries it s not going down at the rate demand is going up meaning other car companies that do not have the in-house experience to produce batteries are left footing the bill. While I don t think cobalt will be reduced to total zero in their next gen battery as Musk has stated on Twitter. I do think they will substantially reduce cobalt usage when compared to peers. This will mean Tesla isn t as susceptible to cobalt price fluctuations as global demand increases. [More Cobalt Talk + Full Analysis](https: medium.com @tristanhcole cobalt-do-todays-prices-have-a-ceiling-5e9e60224a56) EDIT: u foxtrotdeltamike who works in EV development has brought up some valid points in terms of Tesla battery technology which although it is generally considered more advanced and uses less cobalt is only months ahead of competitors at best. | > all EV car companies have struggled to secure supplies. Assume this is a reference to VW going to cobalt miners directly? Most companies are fine with just buying sells directly from cell manufacturers and there s little evidence they re struggling to get supply it s just at higher prices > NMC 111 Battery NMC 111 has never been in an EV as far as I know. There are many variants of NMC (as there are variants of NCA) but the nickel-rich variants are the ones in EVs NMC 532 and 622 especially with 811 potentially coming (though I m skeptical) 622 may have $300-400 more cobalt than Tesla s option but better degradation and better charge capability. When Tesla execs talk about charging being limited to ~200kW that s purely because of their choice to use NCA. 350kW charging is perfectly viable with NMC options with ~15% less energy density. I can see why that s appealing especially to sportscar manufacturers. > Tesla is 10 years ahead of every single car company in terms of battery technology. Based on what? Their choice of chemistry (which isn t their own development Panasonic licence it from another company)? Their cooling capability? Their high packing efficiency in modules? > in-house experience to produce batteries Do you mean batteries or cells? > This will mean Tesla isn t as susceptible to cobalt price fluctuations as global demand increases. This is a difficult one. Cobalt is not particularly tricky to store meaning its easy to trade speculatively. A lot of the future growth of EVs is already priced into cobalt prices. It s possible that with the added efforts to reduce cobalt in cells the demand (around 2022 onwards) may actually come in lower than some expectations at the moment. | Many Tesla competitors have moved onto NMC 622 and some are preparing for NMC 811. Still higher than where Tesla is today but definitely a major step from NMC 111. | 39 | 3 | 2,638 |
8tqtgy | 23 | I just learned I have an engineer friend who works on manufacturing lines and worked at tesla last year and was involved in a little bit of model 3 work... So I kind of freaked out and got a little over excited. I asked him to do an ama but he wasn t interested but said he would answer any questions for me. So what do you want me to ask him? He said he hasn t been there for over a year. He helped with something having to do with the doors on the model 3. He said the factory (he was in Cali where they assemble the cars not Nevada) was a mess. I asked so there s no yellow anywhere? and he laughed and said there is yellow just a lot of people doing a lot of things and it was a little chaotic. He mentioned something about long rows of tables with people sitting at computers doing their engineering work and it was odd to him. He talked about how the company hires young naive engineers so they can pay them low wages. He s only in his 40s so it s not like he s old and just saying damn kids but I could be wrong. He said the people working there basically worshipped Elon. He tried to step into a small office to have a private conversation one time and everyone was like no no you can t go in there that s Elon s space. He found this odd as Elon wasn t there. He never saw or met Elon. He talked about some kind of yoga instructor coming through encouraging everyone to do yoga every day. Not mandatory but highly encouraged. In his opinion teslas are great quality cars and worth the money. He was excited I have a 3 reservation and wants to check it out when I get it. So yeah if you have anything you want me to ask let me know and I ll update next week! | > I have ... a friend Showoff | Uuuhhhh in IT 40s is getting old...especially in an Engineering setting. (says a 41 year old Sys Admin ITIL Support Tech) | 41 | 3 | 2,639 |
8tqtgy | 23 | I just learned I have an engineer friend who works on manufacturing lines and worked at tesla last year and was involved in a little bit of model 3 work... So I kind of freaked out and got a little over excited. I asked him to do an ama but he wasn t interested but said he would answer any questions for me. So what do you want me to ask him? He said he hasn t been there for over a year. He helped with something having to do with the doors on the model 3. He said the factory (he was in Cali where they assemble the cars not Nevada) was a mess. I asked so there s no yellow anywhere? and he laughed and said there is yellow just a lot of people doing a lot of things and it was a little chaotic. He mentioned something about long rows of tables with people sitting at computers doing their engineering work and it was odd to him. He talked about how the company hires young naive engineers so they can pay them low wages. He s only in his 40s so it s not like he s old and just saying damn kids but I could be wrong. He said the people working there basically worshipped Elon. He tried to step into a small office to have a private conversation one time and everyone was like no no you can t go in there that s Elon s space. He found this odd as Elon wasn t there. He never saw or met Elon. He talked about some kind of yoga instructor coming through encouraging everyone to do yoga every day. Not mandatory but highly encouraged. In his opinion teslas are great quality cars and worth the money. He was excited I have a 3 reservation and wants to check it out when I get it. So yeah if you have anything you want me to ask let me know and I ll update next week! | > I have ... a friend Showoff | Can you elaborate on the door thing?Is he a mechanical person? Electrical? Paint? automation?Maybe that way the questions can be better tailored to his knowledge skills. | 41 | 5 | 2,640 |
8ttwpf | 127 | [Discussion] Auto Hill Hold to prevent rolling backwards on incline My Model X will often roll backwards if I haven t pressed on the brake firmly enough to engage Hill Hold when stopped on an incline. While you may want to roll FORWARD to inch closer to the car in front of you or at a stop light sign I can t think of a valid reason anyone would want to roll BACKWARDS when in Drive. Since this is the case why don t Teslas effectively automatically engage Hill Hold to prevent rolling backwards when in drive? | Would love this feature. Vice Versa I d like it if you couldn t roll forward while trying to back up. There have been a couple occasions where I m backing up an incline and the forward roll caught me off guard. | submit a bug report with that feature request. | 53 | 11 | 2,641 |
8ttwpf | 127 | [Discussion] Auto Hill Hold to prevent rolling backwards on incline My Model X will often roll backwards if I haven t pressed on the brake firmly enough to engage Hill Hold when stopped on an incline. While you may want to roll FORWARD to inch closer to the car in front of you or at a stop light sign I can t think of a valid reason anyone would want to roll BACKWARDS when in Drive. Since this is the case why don t Teslas effectively automatically engage Hill Hold to prevent rolling backwards when in drive? | I like the rollback when I drive because it reminds me of when I used to drive a stick. I appreciate it when I creep too far forward and need to unpoke the nose of my car out of the road. Definitely think it should be an option to disable though. | I agree and this is why I keep creep on when I would rather not. I have had my 3 auto engage the parking brake before. I was on my slightly inclined driveway put it in drive rolled backwards a bit and then the parking brake went on and I got a message on the screen. I assume yours does this too but you want it to be more seamless a hold not the parking brake. | 31 | 5 | 2,642 |
8ttwpf | 127 | [Discussion] Auto Hill Hold to prevent rolling backwards on incline My Model X will often roll backwards if I haven t pressed on the brake firmly enough to engage Hill Hold when stopped on an incline. While you may want to roll FORWARD to inch closer to the car in front of you or at a stop light sign I can t think of a valid reason anyone would want to roll BACKWARDS when in Drive. Since this is the case why don t Teslas effectively automatically engage Hill Hold to prevent rolling backwards when in drive? | I ve wanted this (don t roll backwards in D and don t roll forwards in R) since I got my 3 and have already submitted one Bug Report. Would be great if everyone did. Surprised it hasn t been done already - I m sure by now it s caused some (thankfully very low-speed) impacts into other objects. | I agree and this is why I keep creep on when I would rather not. I have had my 3 auto engage the parking brake before. I was on my slightly inclined driveway put it in drive rolled backwards a bit and then the parking brake went on and I got a message on the screen. I assume yours does this too but you want it to be more seamless a hold not the parking brake. | 31 | 5 | 2,643 |
8u0cxg | 45 | I won t have range anxiety. I already have fuel price anxiety. I was chatting with a friend about the Model 3 (what else would we talk about?) and I realized the issue for me isn t range anxiety it s fuel price anxiety. We were on the way to the beach this weekend and I had a bit under 1 2 a tank of gas.. Looking at the prices as we headed out of town they were all over the place. $1.22 $1.29 $1.20.. Hmmm looks like prices are about to change again wonder which way.. Should I fill before we leave in case they go up while we re at the beach? No then the car and food will all smell like gas.... Should I fill when we get back or wait till later in the week... Oh wait it s Canada day this weekend that ll put prices up for sure.. < sigh> Ok I ll hope they stay down till we get back and fill up then... If I had a Model 3 in the garage I wouldn t care the car would be full every day costing the exact same as yesterday and the same as it will tomorrow. | How will your car and food smell like gas? Are you going to pour gasoline inside your car? | I switched back to gas a little more than a year ago. Thinking about charging happened less often and less intrusively than thinking about fueling up. Like you said you get home and plug in and forget about it. I *still* have a hard time watching my fuel gauge probably about 50 50 on filling up before the low fuel light comes on. I used to fill up at half a tank almost without fail but I for whatever reason cannot pick that habit back up. | 91 | 2 | 2,644 |
8u0cxg | 45 | I won t have range anxiety. I already have fuel price anxiety. I was chatting with a friend about the Model 3 (what else would we talk about?) and I realized the issue for me isn t range anxiety it s fuel price anxiety. We were on the way to the beach this weekend and I had a bit under 1 2 a tank of gas.. Looking at the prices as we headed out of town they were all over the place. $1.22 $1.29 $1.20.. Hmmm looks like prices are about to change again wonder which way.. Should I fill before we leave in case they go up while we re at the beach? No then the car and food will all smell like gas.... Should I fill when we get back or wait till later in the week... Oh wait it s Canada day this weekend that ll put prices up for sure.. < sigh> Ok I ll hope they stay down till we get back and fill up then... If I had a Model 3 in the garage I wouldn t care the car would be full every day costing the exact same as yesterday and the same as it will tomorrow. | How will your car and food smell like gas? Are you going to pour gasoline inside your car? | Wow. As someone who lives in LA those prices sound cheap. We re at almost $4 a gallon. Fortunately I m two months in going electric so no more fuel price anxiety for me | 91 | 13 | 2,645 |
8u0cxg | 45 | I won t have range anxiety. I already have fuel price anxiety. I was chatting with a friend about the Model 3 (what else would we talk about?) and I realized the issue for me isn t range anxiety it s fuel price anxiety. We were on the way to the beach this weekend and I had a bit under 1 2 a tank of gas.. Looking at the prices as we headed out of town they were all over the place. $1.22 $1.29 $1.20.. Hmmm looks like prices are about to change again wonder which way.. Should I fill before we leave in case they go up while we re at the beach? No then the car and food will all smell like gas.... Should I fill when we get back or wait till later in the week... Oh wait it s Canada day this weekend that ll put prices up for sure.. < sigh> Ok I ll hope they stay down till we get back and fill up then... If I had a Model 3 in the garage I wouldn t care the car would be full every day costing the exact same as yesterday and the same as it will tomorrow. | That s a bit neurotic tbh. You re worried about prices changing during the day? You re worried about the smell? There are legitimate reasons that EVs can give you less anxiety about fuel but those are a little over the top imo. Personally I m a procrastinator so I would run my gas tank to fumes. Having an EV has given me less range anxiety as a result. | I switched back to gas a little more than a year ago. Thinking about charging happened less often and less intrusively than thinking about fueling up. Like you said you get home and plug in and forget about it. I *still* have a hard time watching my fuel gauge probably about 50 50 on filling up before the low fuel light comes on. I used to fill up at half a tank almost without fail but I for whatever reason cannot pick that habit back up. | 35 | 2 | 2,646 |
8u30r4 | 660 | We re staying at a Disney resort after driving cross country from California to Florida in our Model S. Had a funny run in with Disney security in the parking lot. I was loading some of our luggage into the front trunk so the hood was open. A Disney security vehicle pulled up and asked if everything was okay. I had a moment of confusion and said โNo everything is fine โ and she said โWell I thought there might be something wrong your hood is open! โ I m not sure what came over me but I decided on some snarky ness.... I said while motioning her over to the front of the car โ Ya know what s wrong??? Someone stole my engine! Look!!!โ She was confused for a second then I explained and we both had a good laugh. Was it stupid and childish why yes yes it was. I m on vacation at Walt Disney World. I fully embrace childishness thank you. | I ve been tempted to pull my model 3 up to a car show and open the hood just like everyone else. But something tells me the audience wouldn t appreciate my sense of humor... | I love my frunk. I had to take some work with me on our trip so I brought a 27 inch monitor with me. The carrying case fits exactly in the alcove inside the frunk. It s like it was designed to fit there! | 52 | 3 | 2,647 |
8u30r4 | 660 | We re staying at a Disney resort after driving cross country from California to Florida in our Model S. Had a funny run in with Disney security in the parking lot. I was loading some of our luggage into the front trunk so the hood was open. A Disney security vehicle pulled up and asked if everything was okay. I had a moment of confusion and said โNo everything is fine โ and she said โWell I thought there might be something wrong your hood is open! โ I m not sure what came over me but I decided on some snarky ness.... I said while motioning her over to the front of the car โ Ya know what s wrong??? Someone stole my engine! Look!!!โ She was confused for a second then I explained and we both had a good laugh. Was it stupid and childish why yes yes it was. I m on vacation at Walt Disney World. I fully embrace childishness thank you. | I ve been tempted to pull my model 3 up to a car show and open the hood just like everyone else. But something tells me the audience wouldn t appreciate my sense of humor... | So wholesome < 3 | 52 | 8 | 2,648 |
8u30r4 | 660 | We re staying at a Disney resort after driving cross country from California to Florida in our Model S. Had a funny run in with Disney security in the parking lot. I was loading some of our luggage into the front trunk so the hood was open. A Disney security vehicle pulled up and asked if everything was okay. I had a moment of confusion and said โNo everything is fine โ and she said โWell I thought there might be something wrong your hood is open! โ I m not sure what came over me but I decided on some snarky ness.... I said while motioning her over to the front of the car โ Ya know what s wrong??? Someone stole my engine! Look!!!โ She was confused for a second then I explained and we both had a good laugh. Was it stupid and childish why yes yes it was. I m on vacation at Walt Disney World. I fully embrace childishness thank you. | I ve been tempted to pull my model 3 up to a car show and open the hood just like everyone else. But something tells me the audience wouldn t appreciate my sense of humor... | This happened to me. Hood up outside of my apartment building because my dry cleaning was in the frunk. Kind person approaches from the rear of the car and asks if I need help. I said โwell if you d like to carry my dry cleaning...โ by that time they had walked far enough to see under the hood and said โoh.โ with a chuckle. | 52 | 11 | 2,649 |
8u4tfh | 199 | Model 3 AWD Performance available to config for more res. holders Mods please delete if this is old news or unnecessary info. I just logged into my account and saw that I could configure AWD and performance options... new as of today. [Proof](https: imgur.com a xd2A3cY) (3 31 16 online reservation non-owner east coast) **Edit: Original RWD estimate went from 3-6 weeks to 3-5 months though?!?!** | TONS of changes. Crazy. AWD now $4k. Delivery timelines way further out. West coast owner Day 0 res and it s showing me 3 - 5 months for non-perf and 2 - 4 months for perf. UI updates to it too - like detail photos of the 20 wheels and spoiler on the perf version. And performance pedals added. Premium connectivity is mentioned re: 1 July order deadline on Interior step. And they disconnected a lot of the perf options from standard performance version and made it a $5k package (20 wheels higher top speed pedals and spoiler) so there are now two performance tiers. Odd. | I can t even edit mine anymore first time that option has disappeared... (I ve called Tesla to tell them I d be waiting for the PAWD) | 43 | 2 | 2,650 |
8u4tfh | 199 | Model 3 AWD Performance available to config for more res. holders Mods please delete if this is old news or unnecessary info. I just logged into my account and saw that I could configure AWD and performance options... new as of today. [Proof](https: imgur.com a xd2A3cY) (3 31 16 online reservation non-owner east coast) **Edit: Original RWD estimate went from 3-6 weeks to 3-5 months though?!?!** | TONS of changes. Crazy. AWD now $4k. Delivery timelines way further out. West coast owner Day 0 res and it s showing me 3 - 5 months for non-perf and 2 - 4 months for perf. UI updates to it too - like detail photos of the 20 wheels and spoiler on the perf version. And performance pedals added. Premium connectivity is mentioned re: 1 July order deadline on Interior step. And they disconnected a lot of the perf options from standard performance version and made it a $5k package (20 wheels higher top speed pedals and spoiler) so there are now two performance tiers. Odd. | My edit design link disappeared today. AWD MSM 18s EAP configured 5 23 | 43 | 3 | 2,651 |
8u4tfh | 199 | Model 3 AWD Performance available to config for more res. holders Mods please delete if this is old news or unnecessary info. I just logged into my account and saw that I could configure AWD and performance options... new as of today. [Proof](https: imgur.com a xd2A3cY) (3 31 16 online reservation non-owner east coast) **Edit: Original RWD estimate went from 3-6 weeks to 3-5 months though?!?!** | TONS of changes. Crazy. AWD now $4k. Delivery timelines way further out. West coast owner Day 0 res and it s showing me 3 - 5 months for non-perf and 2 - 4 months for perf. UI updates to it too - like detail photos of the 20 wheels and spoiler on the perf version. And performance pedals added. Premium connectivity is mentioned re: 1 July order deadline on Interior step. And they disconnected a lot of the perf options from standard performance version and made it a $5k package (20 wheels higher top speed pedals and spoiler) so there are now two performance tiers. Odd. | I thought AWD was a $5k option? | 43 | 6 | 2,652 |
8u511z | 203 | Performance and AWD Price DROP! [https: imgur.com a 7t0yDFG](https: imgur.com a 7t0yDFG) What is happening! AWD 53K Performance is 69K with a 64K option if you don t want the wheels brakes spoiler | Got my order in... Can t believe it... was expecting 83K (performance + EAP) but it was 75K instead.... :-D | FWIW I ve already ordered and my price has stayed the same. I can t access the configurator anymore. Are you sure this is USD? UPDATE: My price went down $1000 now (AWD). But I ordered Pearl White which went up $500. Looks like they won t raise that. | 57 | 10 | 2,653 |
8u511z | 203 | Performance and AWD Price DROP! [https: imgur.com a 7t0yDFG](https: imgur.com a 7t0yDFG) What is happening! AWD 53K Performance is 69K with a 64K option if you don t want the wheels brakes spoiler | I can confirm that the configurator now has a performance upgrade option in additon to the standard performance AWD option. The performance upgrade option costs $5000 and includes: * 20โ Performance Wheels * Carbon fiber spoiler * Aluminum alloy pedals * Increased top speed from 145mph to 155mph White interior is now $1500 (not sure if it was always like that or if that is new). White multicoat and red multicoat are now both $1500 (not sure if it was always like that for performance models) So the standard performance AWD w black paint and black interior w o EAP or FSD is $64k. EAP is still $5k ($6k after del) and FSD is $3k ($5k after del). EDIT: [Here](https: imgur.com a EB6JlIw) are some screenshots of the configurator for those who don t have access yet. | I buy a reservation on ebay not 4 hours ago to get it in before July 1 and my config opens now . . . Thanks a ton for this post | 39 | 6 | 2,654 |
8u511z | 203 | Performance and AWD Price DROP! [https: imgur.com a 7t0yDFG](https: imgur.com a 7t0yDFG) What is happening! AWD 53K Performance is 69K with a 64K option if you don t want the wheels brakes spoiler | I can confirm that the configurator now has a performance upgrade option in additon to the standard performance AWD option. The performance upgrade option costs $5000 and includes: * 20โ Performance Wheels * Carbon fiber spoiler * Aluminum alloy pedals * Increased top speed from 145mph to 155mph White interior is now $1500 (not sure if it was always like that or if that is new). White multicoat and red multicoat are now both $1500 (not sure if it was always like that for performance models) So the standard performance AWD w black paint and black interior w o EAP or FSD is $64k. EAP is still $5k ($6k after del) and FSD is $3k ($5k after del). EDIT: [Here](https: imgur.com a EB6JlIw) are some screenshots of the configurator for those who don t have access yet. | FWIW I ve already ordered and my price has stayed the same. I can t access the configurator anymore. Are you sure this is USD? UPDATE: My price went down $1000 now (AWD). But I ordered Pearl White which went up $500. Looks like they won t raise that. | 39 | 10 | 2,655 |
8ue5je | 119 | Wait for RWD LR not 3-5 months after all. Order yesterday (6 26) vehicle ready for pickup today! So once I saw this madness about the RWD LR going from 3-6 weeks delivery out to 2-5 months for those who already have an invite I decided to quickly pull the trigger and maybe get in under the radar... It seems to have worked WAY better than I anticipated. Got an email today saying the car is ready and waiting at my local service center for pickup! I guess Tesla has been locally stockpiling to get ahead of the July delivery madness... I m also guessing the 2-5 month period is a projection in anticipation of them opening up invitations to remaining reservation holders. Update: They said if I don t arrange financing and accept delivery in 7 days it moves to next in line. Update 2: It s apparent now that I am receiving someone else s cancelled delivery. So just luck I guess... | I have a theory on what s going on here...I don t think the wait is that long as I do believe they have stockpiled to avoid hitting 200k in June. So I think they are pushing deliveries to hit just under 200k before June ends. After that they will flood the market with cars they ve been making. So why say 3-5 months? To motivate people to order. | Where are you located? | 44 | 5 | 2,656 |
8ue5je | 119 | Wait for RWD LR not 3-5 months after all. Order yesterday (6 26) vehicle ready for pickup today! So once I saw this madness about the RWD LR going from 3-6 weeks delivery out to 2-5 months for those who already have an invite I decided to quickly pull the trigger and maybe get in under the radar... It seems to have worked WAY better than I anticipated. Got an email today saying the car is ready and waiting at my local service center for pickup! I guess Tesla has been locally stockpiling to get ahead of the July delivery madness... I m also guessing the 2-5 month period is a projection in anticipation of them opening up invitations to remaining reservation holders. Update: They said if I don t arrange financing and accept delivery in 7 days it moves to next in line. Update 2: It s apparent now that I am receiving someone else s cancelled delivery. So just luck I guess... | You got a vehicle that was already made. There are some floating around in the system. | Where are you located? | 32 | 5 | 2,657 |
8ueede | 246 | They are opening up orders. May 26 2018 reservation non owner and I just ordered! Funny I was asking a question about what page to refresh and suddenly I was seeing the design studio - check your Tesla page now! Edit: Damn it. I was just too excited to post this - should read โ...May 26 2016 reservation...โ although from the replies it seems it s now open to all US reservations. Edit2: Wow my very first Reddit gold! A most sincere thank you to u sees-sharps | Very frustrating as an early morning April 1 2016 reservation holder that has been waiting over two years to see everyone after me suddenly invited at once. Now that that s out of the way WOOHOO I finally ordered my first Tesla!! | Delivery estimat and car ordered? | 76 | 2 | 2,658 |
8ueede | 246 | They are opening up orders. May 26 2018 reservation non owner and I just ordered! Funny I was asking a question about what page to refresh and suddenly I was seeing the design studio - check your Tesla page now! Edit: Damn it. I was just too excited to post this - should read โ...May 26 2016 reservation...โ although from the replies it seems it s now open to all US reservations. Edit2: Wow my very first Reddit gold! A most sincere thank you to u sees-sharps | Very frustrating as an early morning April 1 2016 reservation holder that has been waiting over two years to see everyone after me suddenly invited at once. Now that that s out of the way WOOHOO I finally ordered my first Tesla!! | April 1 2016 and just ordered! 3-5 month wait Black LR EAP | 76 | 2 | 2,659 |
8ueede | 246 | They are opening up orders. May 26 2018 reservation non owner and I just ordered! Funny I was asking a question about what page to refresh and suddenly I was seeing the design studio - check your Tesla page now! Edit: Damn it. I was just too excited to post this - should read โ...May 26 2016 reservation...โ although from the replies it seems it s now open to all US reservations. Edit2: Wow my very first Reddit gold! A most sincere thank you to u sees-sharps | Very frustrating as an early morning April 1 2016 reservation holder that has been waiting over two years to see everyone after me suddenly invited at once. Now that that s out of the way WOOHOO I finally ordered my first Tesla!! | It really looks like Tesla wants all that order confirmation capital. There will be many people upset with this as you waiting roughly a month and others waited over 2 years. I think Tesla is abandoning all morals and looking for cash. | 76 | 3 | 2,660 |
8uk75d | 63 | Tesla does not take trade-in of Model 3 I wanted to trade-in my Model 3 and get the performance version. I call the local dealer and they said they will not take a trade-in of the model 3. This struck me as a very weird stance since they stood by the model S resale value and they will take a trade-in of any other car including Tesla just not the 3. Anyone have a different experience? | Maybe I can just buy it from you? (dead serious) | They probably aren t ready to list 3s on the pre-owned site yet. Either that or they don t think you are serious. I would imagine you can get a better price online anyway. | 103 | 42 | 2,661 |
8uk75d | 63 | Tesla does not take trade-in of Model 3 I wanted to trade-in my Model 3 and get the performance version. I call the local dealer and they said they will not take a trade-in of the model 3. This struck me as a very weird stance since they stood by the model S resale value and they will take a trade-in of any other car including Tesla just not the 3. Anyone have a different experience? | Boy sell that damn thing. It ll be taken off your hands in under 2 weeks I almost guarantee it. | Been waiting for some more of this. Really interested to see what the resale value on Model 3 will be after a year on the road. | 49 | 4 | 2,662 |
8ukmhb | 169 | Honestly I just freakin LOVE this sub and the Tesla community. That is all. | yep and shoutout to the shorts trolls & fudsters. although they infuriate me to no end it wouldnt be the same without them! | :-) | 46 | 11 | 2,663 |
8ukmhb | 169 | Honestly I just freakin LOVE this sub and the Tesla community. That is all. | yep and shoutout to the shorts trolls & fudsters. although they infuriate me to no end it wouldnt be the same without them! | Me too! Currently waiting on husbands X5 lease to finish so we can order our Model X. Although I personally anxiously await the Model Y reveal to trade in my 128i. | 46 | 13 | 2,664 |
8ukmhb | 169 | Honestly I just freakin LOVE this sub and the Tesla community. That is all. | I m glad I don t have to own a Tesla to talk about them here. 10 10 community everyone. | Love you too fam | 32 | 2 | 2,665 |
8ulcj2 | 87 | Configuration to VIN in < 24 hours Like many others I was finally able to configure my Model 3 last night. About two hours later I received an email from my ISA saying my Model 3 is Almost Here. I responded asking if that was a canned response everyone gets shortly after configuring but this morning she told me my delivery was scheduled for mid-July and gave me my VIN (31XXX)!!! **Happy to report that 3-5 months for a LR RWD PUP can turn out to be much much less than that!!** EDIT: formatted the important part to be bold | Tesla still has issues with promises I see they give you a 3-5 month window and deliver in < 1 month. Not consistent with Elon time. s | When did you reserve? | 44 | 3 | 2,666 |
8ulcj2 | 87 | Configuration to VIN in < 24 hours Like many others I was finally able to configure my Model 3 last night. About two hours later I received an email from my ISA saying my Model 3 is Almost Here. I responded asking if that was a canned response everyone gets shortly after configuring but this morning she told me my delivery was scheduled for mid-July and gave me my VIN (31XXX)!!! **Happy to report that 3-5 months for a LR RWD PUP can turn out to be much much less than that!!** EDIT: formatted the important part to be bold | Tesla still has issues with promises I see they give you a 3-5 month window and deliver in < 1 month. Not consistent with Elon time. s | That s awesome. The more of these I see the more it seems they absolutely *are* giving priority to earlier reservations. | 44 | 17 | 2,667 |
8umqhp | 321 | So I work at Tesla and thought I d share some thoughts about it after a few drinks I work at Tesla and created an account just for this comment. Talking sharing too much about TSLA after the worker sabotage incident still going on seems extremely unwise however after reading some posts and having a few glasses of wine what the hell after months of lurking I thought I d finally make a post and say something. It s a bit difficult sharing my experience without revealing identifying details but I can tell you my work involves just software development. I have not worked directly in manufacturing or anything directly handling industrial equipment or parts. As a little background I ve been working in IT for decades (always in software development) and have been in many companies. Some working directly others as a contractor always in software. Most companies were quite big. I ve been at Tesla for around two years. So here s my opinion... Good things... This is the FIRST company in my career where I have not noticed negative comments and feelings from coworkers. Before this there was always someone unhappy and strongly bashing the company but at TSLA all my coworkers seem pretty positive. I m sure that doesn t mean they love everything about the company but overall there s no considerable negativity. I m not surprised that happens in small groups sometimes but I m surprised it has been happening with everyone I ve interacted with in my team or others - I can t think of a single coworker [I know] who seems to hate the company his life there. Never happened before weird stuff. People seem proud to work there. So indeed I ve seen this before with SOME coworkers in SOME teams but what is different at Tesla is how widespread [in my universe of work] this optimism is. But I m not a fool and I know this sounds like the usual corporate we love what we do bullshit and maybe it is I only know a little slice of Tesla and I ve worked in enough companies from hell (regardless of market cap) to consider these comments as bull - and yet this is true to me. My little view of Tesla is full of happy coworkers. I m sure some others are unhappy but those I work with daily interaction ALL seem motivated and really trying hard to do their best while seeming happy about it - that s a first. Regarding the CEO it s also different. The negativity in some of my previous companies was intense. People had little respect for the top dogs. With Elon there seems to be a lot of respect. I suspect some of that love comes from his media-rockstar-popular-says-whatever-he-wants cool style but another - more interesting - side (probably the main reason) is that workers see the CEO having a lot of skin in the game... He has a lot of his $ invested and he spends a lot of time going around and is actually seen doing hands-on work on all sorts of shit (from hardware to software) trying to fix do improve things doing long hours at the office etc. I ve heard stories from veterans on how they saw him somewhere doing this or that some tasks seeming low on the food chain actually working like the minions do... and that isn t something I saw in my past with multiple CEO top honchos not at all. He also has a reputation for being very demanding but at the same time it kinda balances it because he seems open to suggestions from everyone (in theory haven t... tested that side). I did not experience this weird boss bleeds as much as we all do feeling in any of my previous companies... none of them. So while he makes ridiculous bucketloads of money at least he s respected for working the same way he demands of us which isn t as common as one might think. It does influence you. My coworkers grab tasks very quickly and really try to solve them. Sometimes they re clumsy and prioritize wrong but they re putting the effort into it there s enough passion. There s a lot of thought about the customer and how it will look to the outside. And keep in mind that many of these guys can t even afford the products they re coding working about but they still seem passionate about getting it right for other people. This is the usual bullshit you hear at every company about our values but it was the first time I saw it occur in a realistic way. We don t do solve only because its our job we really want to pass a good impression because we re proud of the product and it feels like a fight to survive and screw everyone who said we can t do it (looking at you shorters). Bad things... The main bad thing for me is a certain lack of maturity in my area of work. We should be working with more process but instead sometimes operate like a start-up with a dozen guys. You d be amazed at how TSLA does not have certain systems practices that are widely used in the field of work I specialized in that particular field we re at level 3 out of 10 at best probably due to poor management of that area in the past 5 years. That means we spend a lot of time fixing stuff that goes wrong in production stuff that could have been avoided [cheaper] at earlier stages with a bit more process and by the book approaches. Very often it feels we re working hard but we re not working smart. That annoys the shit out of me because I don t have the power to just go there and set a whole new process in place. Sometimes I want to leave because of it but at the same time the potential is huge and I m sure it will be fine tuned eventually when things slow down. The reason for this immaturity IMO is no doubt the huge speed of growth and the need to survive. Putting out fires doing it to solve it but not necessarily according to be best practices that will save us time in the future. And also still retaining a few managers who got used to working in this cowboy way and have zero interest in adding process. This part worries me a bit because I don t think some of our current ways of working can scale. I have many ideas on how to improve my area but don t feel comfortable bypassing my manager because revealing how much is wrong would no doubt result in dismissal (of myself or my boss most likely not the latter) Sometimes it feels we re eating soup with a fork and my boss is telling me there s no time to go buy a spoon because we need to finish the soup real fast or we re done. While it s indeed urgent to finish the soup it drives me restless we can t spend some time to save us a lot more time (i.e. cost) from there onward. Anyway a bit of a pointless rant and you shouldn t take it very seriously because I m just one guy in one team so a very limited view of a huge 40K people company. I m sure there are much worse areas at TSLA where people are sad and gloomy and other areas where everything is perfect process is super efficient and cutting edge. It s so big you ll always have those outliers. I m only commenting my little slice of experience which so far I think might represent the average at least in my field of work. I don t own stock at this time but if I did I d be very bullish simply because of the no negativity feeling. I ve seen companies rotting from the inside because my colleagues (and me) ended up not respecting the company the leaders and the products. I don t see that now not yet. So that s why I m positive about the outcome there s no sense of poison or pessimism or apathy from the inside... people are truly trying.... well the ones I know at least. :P TL DR: Drunkish post. Only company in my career where all people I interact with seem genuinely dedicated to it and actually give a shit about customers and the product. Also admire the effort Elon is putting into it at personal cost. Needs work on some process areas to stabilize mature and scale better after this crazy survival run is over... it s not a small company that can go super agile and process-light all the time anymore. EDIT: Replied to all the comments you sent me but my replies don t show up since this is a new account and could be spam. I think each reply has to be manually approved by the mods. But thanks for the comments so far guys I ll reply to every question when the account is accepted but it seems that won t be happening soon enough to have the thread active. | So it s a Thursday afternoon and you re drunk? Guys I found my new role model | Thanks for your post man! Keep up the hard work you guys are the Special Forces of changing the world to make it a better place. I have a 10 year old nephew who told me last week he wants to โwork at Tesla or SpaceXโ when grows up. You are making a difference! | 75 | 21 | 2,668 |
8umqhp | 321 | So I work at Tesla and thought I d share some thoughts about it after a few drinks I work at Tesla and created an account just for this comment. Talking sharing too much about TSLA after the worker sabotage incident still going on seems extremely unwise however after reading some posts and having a few glasses of wine what the hell after months of lurking I thought I d finally make a post and say something. It s a bit difficult sharing my experience without revealing identifying details but I can tell you my work involves just software development. I have not worked directly in manufacturing or anything directly handling industrial equipment or parts. As a little background I ve been working in IT for decades (always in software development) and have been in many companies. Some working directly others as a contractor always in software. Most companies were quite big. I ve been at Tesla for around two years. So here s my opinion... Good things... This is the FIRST company in my career where I have not noticed negative comments and feelings from coworkers. Before this there was always someone unhappy and strongly bashing the company but at TSLA all my coworkers seem pretty positive. I m sure that doesn t mean they love everything about the company but overall there s no considerable negativity. I m not surprised that happens in small groups sometimes but I m surprised it has been happening with everyone I ve interacted with in my team or others - I can t think of a single coworker [I know] who seems to hate the company his life there. Never happened before weird stuff. People seem proud to work there. So indeed I ve seen this before with SOME coworkers in SOME teams but what is different at Tesla is how widespread [in my universe of work] this optimism is. But I m not a fool and I know this sounds like the usual corporate we love what we do bullshit and maybe it is I only know a little slice of Tesla and I ve worked in enough companies from hell (regardless of market cap) to consider these comments as bull - and yet this is true to me. My little view of Tesla is full of happy coworkers. I m sure some others are unhappy but those I work with daily interaction ALL seem motivated and really trying hard to do their best while seeming happy about it - that s a first. Regarding the CEO it s also different. The negativity in some of my previous companies was intense. People had little respect for the top dogs. With Elon there seems to be a lot of respect. I suspect some of that love comes from his media-rockstar-popular-says-whatever-he-wants cool style but another - more interesting - side (probably the main reason) is that workers see the CEO having a lot of skin in the game... He has a lot of his $ invested and he spends a lot of time going around and is actually seen doing hands-on work on all sorts of shit (from hardware to software) trying to fix do improve things doing long hours at the office etc. I ve heard stories from veterans on how they saw him somewhere doing this or that some tasks seeming low on the food chain actually working like the minions do... and that isn t something I saw in my past with multiple CEO top honchos not at all. He also has a reputation for being very demanding but at the same time it kinda balances it because he seems open to suggestions from everyone (in theory haven t... tested that side). I did not experience this weird boss bleeds as much as we all do feeling in any of my previous companies... none of them. So while he makes ridiculous bucketloads of money at least he s respected for working the same way he demands of us which isn t as common as one might think. It does influence you. My coworkers grab tasks very quickly and really try to solve them. Sometimes they re clumsy and prioritize wrong but they re putting the effort into it there s enough passion. There s a lot of thought about the customer and how it will look to the outside. And keep in mind that many of these guys can t even afford the products they re coding working about but they still seem passionate about getting it right for other people. This is the usual bullshit you hear at every company about our values but it was the first time I saw it occur in a realistic way. We don t do solve only because its our job we really want to pass a good impression because we re proud of the product and it feels like a fight to survive and screw everyone who said we can t do it (looking at you shorters). Bad things... The main bad thing for me is a certain lack of maturity in my area of work. We should be working with more process but instead sometimes operate like a start-up with a dozen guys. You d be amazed at how TSLA does not have certain systems practices that are widely used in the field of work I specialized in that particular field we re at level 3 out of 10 at best probably due to poor management of that area in the past 5 years. That means we spend a lot of time fixing stuff that goes wrong in production stuff that could have been avoided [cheaper] at earlier stages with a bit more process and by the book approaches. Very often it feels we re working hard but we re not working smart. That annoys the shit out of me because I don t have the power to just go there and set a whole new process in place. Sometimes I want to leave because of it but at the same time the potential is huge and I m sure it will be fine tuned eventually when things slow down. The reason for this immaturity IMO is no doubt the huge speed of growth and the need to survive. Putting out fires doing it to solve it but not necessarily according to be best practices that will save us time in the future. And also still retaining a few managers who got used to working in this cowboy way and have zero interest in adding process. This part worries me a bit because I don t think some of our current ways of working can scale. I have many ideas on how to improve my area but don t feel comfortable bypassing my manager because revealing how much is wrong would no doubt result in dismissal (of myself or my boss most likely not the latter) Sometimes it feels we re eating soup with a fork and my boss is telling me there s no time to go buy a spoon because we need to finish the soup real fast or we re done. While it s indeed urgent to finish the soup it drives me restless we can t spend some time to save us a lot more time (i.e. cost) from there onward. Anyway a bit of a pointless rant and you shouldn t take it very seriously because I m just one guy in one team so a very limited view of a huge 40K people company. I m sure there are much worse areas at TSLA where people are sad and gloomy and other areas where everything is perfect process is super efficient and cutting edge. It s so big you ll always have those outliers. I m only commenting my little slice of experience which so far I think might represent the average at least in my field of work. I don t own stock at this time but if I did I d be very bullish simply because of the no negativity feeling. I ve seen companies rotting from the inside because my colleagues (and me) ended up not respecting the company the leaders and the products. I don t see that now not yet. So that s why I m positive about the outcome there s no sense of poison or pessimism or apathy from the inside... people are truly trying.... well the ones I know at least. :P TL DR: Drunkish post. Only company in my career where all people I interact with seem genuinely dedicated to it and actually give a shit about customers and the product. Also admire the effort Elon is putting into it at personal cost. Needs work on some process areas to stabilize mature and scale better after this crazy survival run is over... it s not a small company that can go super agile and process-light all the time anymore. EDIT: Replied to all the comments you sent me but my replies don t show up since this is a new account and could be spam. I think each reply has to be manually approved by the mods. But thanks for the comments so far guys I ll reply to every question when the account is accepted but it seems that won t be happening soon enough to have the thread active. | Thanks for a really interesting - and I believe honest - insight. You know the saying *in vino veritas.* You said that you think that bringing up issues above your manager s head would have repercussions: > I have many ideas on how to improve my area but don t feel comfortable bypassing my manager because revealing how much is wrong would no doubt result in dismissal. I ve seen a few leaked [emails ](https: electrek.co 2018 05 06 tesla-brutal-review-contractors-firing-vouching-employee )and [comments ](https: electrek.co 2018 05 14 tesla-restructuration-elon-musk-reorganization )from Elon that he hates the inefficiency caused by Middle Management and people who can solve problems not being able to talk directly to each other due to bureaucracy. (below from the May conference call:) > *To ensure that Tesla is well prepared for the future we have been undertaking a thorough reorganization of our company. As part of the reorg we are flattening the management structure to improve communication combining functions where sensible and trimming activities that are not vital to the success of our mission.* This sounds exactly like the problem you re describing. So bearing in mind that your CEO wants people like you to contact him directly and side-step your manager...why don t you try doing that? If not that maybe just email the person that you think would be able to solve the problems that you see and cc. Elon in the exchange and explain that you re only doing it this way because Elon himself said he encourages this in the interest of company efficiency. Just hoping you can get around the frustrations. | Thanks for the insight! Don t you have stock options or is that not owning stock? | 54 | 3 | 2,669 |
8umqhp | 321 | So I work at Tesla and thought I d share some thoughts about it after a few drinks I work at Tesla and created an account just for this comment. Talking sharing too much about TSLA after the worker sabotage incident still going on seems extremely unwise however after reading some posts and having a few glasses of wine what the hell after months of lurking I thought I d finally make a post and say something. It s a bit difficult sharing my experience without revealing identifying details but I can tell you my work involves just software development. I have not worked directly in manufacturing or anything directly handling industrial equipment or parts. As a little background I ve been working in IT for decades (always in software development) and have been in many companies. Some working directly others as a contractor always in software. Most companies were quite big. I ve been at Tesla for around two years. So here s my opinion... Good things... This is the FIRST company in my career where I have not noticed negative comments and feelings from coworkers. Before this there was always someone unhappy and strongly bashing the company but at TSLA all my coworkers seem pretty positive. I m sure that doesn t mean they love everything about the company but overall there s no considerable negativity. I m not surprised that happens in small groups sometimes but I m surprised it has been happening with everyone I ve interacted with in my team or others - I can t think of a single coworker [I know] who seems to hate the company his life there. Never happened before weird stuff. People seem proud to work there. So indeed I ve seen this before with SOME coworkers in SOME teams but what is different at Tesla is how widespread [in my universe of work] this optimism is. But I m not a fool and I know this sounds like the usual corporate we love what we do bullshit and maybe it is I only know a little slice of Tesla and I ve worked in enough companies from hell (regardless of market cap) to consider these comments as bull - and yet this is true to me. My little view of Tesla is full of happy coworkers. I m sure some others are unhappy but those I work with daily interaction ALL seem motivated and really trying hard to do their best while seeming happy about it - that s a first. Regarding the CEO it s also different. The negativity in some of my previous companies was intense. People had little respect for the top dogs. With Elon there seems to be a lot of respect. I suspect some of that love comes from his media-rockstar-popular-says-whatever-he-wants cool style but another - more interesting - side (probably the main reason) is that workers see the CEO having a lot of skin in the game... He has a lot of his $ invested and he spends a lot of time going around and is actually seen doing hands-on work on all sorts of shit (from hardware to software) trying to fix do improve things doing long hours at the office etc. I ve heard stories from veterans on how they saw him somewhere doing this or that some tasks seeming low on the food chain actually working like the minions do... and that isn t something I saw in my past with multiple CEO top honchos not at all. He also has a reputation for being very demanding but at the same time it kinda balances it because he seems open to suggestions from everyone (in theory haven t... tested that side). I did not experience this weird boss bleeds as much as we all do feeling in any of my previous companies... none of them. So while he makes ridiculous bucketloads of money at least he s respected for working the same way he demands of us which isn t as common as one might think. It does influence you. My coworkers grab tasks very quickly and really try to solve them. Sometimes they re clumsy and prioritize wrong but they re putting the effort into it there s enough passion. There s a lot of thought about the customer and how it will look to the outside. And keep in mind that many of these guys can t even afford the products they re coding working about but they still seem passionate about getting it right for other people. This is the usual bullshit you hear at every company about our values but it was the first time I saw it occur in a realistic way. We don t do solve only because its our job we really want to pass a good impression because we re proud of the product and it feels like a fight to survive and screw everyone who said we can t do it (looking at you shorters). Bad things... The main bad thing for me is a certain lack of maturity in my area of work. We should be working with more process but instead sometimes operate like a start-up with a dozen guys. You d be amazed at how TSLA does not have certain systems practices that are widely used in the field of work I specialized in that particular field we re at level 3 out of 10 at best probably due to poor management of that area in the past 5 years. That means we spend a lot of time fixing stuff that goes wrong in production stuff that could have been avoided [cheaper] at earlier stages with a bit more process and by the book approaches. Very often it feels we re working hard but we re not working smart. That annoys the shit out of me because I don t have the power to just go there and set a whole new process in place. Sometimes I want to leave because of it but at the same time the potential is huge and I m sure it will be fine tuned eventually when things slow down. The reason for this immaturity IMO is no doubt the huge speed of growth and the need to survive. Putting out fires doing it to solve it but not necessarily according to be best practices that will save us time in the future. And also still retaining a few managers who got used to working in this cowboy way and have zero interest in adding process. This part worries me a bit because I don t think some of our current ways of working can scale. I have many ideas on how to improve my area but don t feel comfortable bypassing my manager because revealing how much is wrong would no doubt result in dismissal (of myself or my boss most likely not the latter) Sometimes it feels we re eating soup with a fork and my boss is telling me there s no time to go buy a spoon because we need to finish the soup real fast or we re done. While it s indeed urgent to finish the soup it drives me restless we can t spend some time to save us a lot more time (i.e. cost) from there onward. Anyway a bit of a pointless rant and you shouldn t take it very seriously because I m just one guy in one team so a very limited view of a huge 40K people company. I m sure there are much worse areas at TSLA where people are sad and gloomy and other areas where everything is perfect process is super efficient and cutting edge. It s so big you ll always have those outliers. I m only commenting my little slice of experience which so far I think might represent the average at least in my field of work. I don t own stock at this time but if I did I d be very bullish simply because of the no negativity feeling. I ve seen companies rotting from the inside because my colleagues (and me) ended up not respecting the company the leaders and the products. I don t see that now not yet. So that s why I m positive about the outcome there s no sense of poison or pessimism or apathy from the inside... people are truly trying.... well the ones I know at least. :P TL DR: Drunkish post. Only company in my career where all people I interact with seem genuinely dedicated to it and actually give a shit about customers and the product. Also admire the effort Elon is putting into it at personal cost. Needs work on some process areas to stabilize mature and scale better after this crazy survival run is over... it s not a small company that can go super agile and process-light all the time anymore. EDIT: Replied to all the comments you sent me but my replies don t show up since this is a new account and could be spam. I think each reply has to be manually approved by the mods. But thanks for the comments so far guys I ll reply to every question when the account is accepted but it seems that won t be happening soon enough to have the thread active. | Thanks for a really interesting - and I believe honest - insight. You know the saying *in vino veritas.* You said that you think that bringing up issues above your manager s head would have repercussions: > I have many ideas on how to improve my area but don t feel comfortable bypassing my manager because revealing how much is wrong would no doubt result in dismissal. I ve seen a few leaked [emails ](https: electrek.co 2018 05 06 tesla-brutal-review-contractors-firing-vouching-employee )and [comments ](https: electrek.co 2018 05 14 tesla-restructuration-elon-musk-reorganization )from Elon that he hates the inefficiency caused by Middle Management and people who can solve problems not being able to talk directly to each other due to bureaucracy. (below from the May conference call:) > *To ensure that Tesla is well prepared for the future we have been undertaking a thorough reorganization of our company. As part of the reorg we are flattening the management structure to improve communication combining functions where sensible and trimming activities that are not vital to the success of our mission.* This sounds exactly like the problem you re describing. So bearing in mind that your CEO wants people like you to contact him directly and side-step your manager...why don t you try doing that? If not that maybe just email the person that you think would be able to solve the problems that you see and cc. Elon in the exchange and explain that you re only doing it this way because Elon himself said he encourages this in the interest of company efficiency. Just hoping you can get around the frustrations. | I thought every full timer at Tesla got stock compensation on some level? | 54 | 3 | 2,670 |
8unf8u | 214 | I just went from doing 70 to 40 on the highway because AP2 is still using GPS data for speed limits. This is dangerous and needs to change. This seems most prevalent in the outside lane where GPS makes the occasional slip up and thinks I m on the access road. It can occur anywhere though. The problem is that GPS data overrides any user inputs to the car a lack of Lane changes and applies the brakes hard (though not AEB hard) with no warning or chimes other than the basic โyou re over the speed limitโ chime. This is dangerous. If AP2 can t set its own speed limit based on road signs it needs to defer to the driver s setting. Period. I understand WHY it does this from a safety perspective but the unintended consequence is going to result in my getting rear ended. That is all. | This happens to me on I5 north driving through Tacoma. It s scary. I m putzing along and then due to construction the gps thinks I m on a surface street. The GPS unit reroutes and my AP slows me to max speed of 45. This should not be a thing. | I found that on a freeway interchange in SoCal (91 West to 55 South) it now drops down to 60mph (I normally have it set to 75mph). I got some tailgating and honking before realized it the max speed had been automatically reduced and had to up the speed manually (on 2018.21.9). | 45 | 4 | 2,671 |
8up3fw | 80 | CNBC article complains about the $2500 down payment on Tesla orders. Calls it a quarter-end tactic Reposting because I don t want to drive more clicks there and deleted the link. Media is getting ridiculous with these nonsense postings. FWIW I ve always seen new build to order cars from any (esp luxury) car company ask for a down payment it s nothing out of the ordinary. | If Wall Street requires results as of arbitrary deadlines then this is how companys will respond. Why let the Street punish them next week for something that would normally happen gradually over time when they can make a major demonstration of the demand for the cars and solve part of their cash crunch issue at the same time. They can call it a tactic or whatever they want but having thousands of people locking in firm commitments for $50-70k cars is hard to argue against. | That was my thought at first... but then I actually got a delivery scheduled for Monday! They know what they are doing :) | 65 | 19 | 2,672 |
8uxczr | 336 | Elon s race to 5 000 tweets So right now Elon is on 4944 tweets and his twitter enthusiasm has increased markedly in the last couple of weeks with an unprecedented Twitter storm. Surely by design tweet 5 000 will be confirmation of 5 000 wk? I d say based of his tweet rate by tomorrow or the day after? | Knowing Elon I wouldn t be surprised if he does something like that lol | I love this observation but naw. | 181 | 23 | 2,673 |
8uxczr | 336 | Elon s race to 5 000 tweets So right now Elon is on 4944 tweets and his twitter enthusiasm has increased markedly in the last couple of weeks with an unprecedented Twitter storm. Surely by design tweet 5 000 will be confirmation of 5 000 wk? I d say based of his tweet rate by tomorrow or the day after? | But according to investors Tesla will fail if Elon doesn t maintain 5 000 tweets per week | I love this observation but naw. | 137 | 23 | 2,674 |
8uxczr | 336 | Elon s race to 5 000 tweets So right now Elon is on 4944 tweets and his twitter enthusiasm has increased markedly in the last couple of weeks with an unprecedented Twitter storm. Surely by design tweet 5 000 will be confirmation of 5 000 wk? I d say based of his tweet rate by tomorrow or the day after? | This is the single greatest conspiracy in the history of the world and I love everything about it and hope to hell it s true. | Well he deleted some tweets recently... | 87 | 3 | 2,675 |
8v7g2d | 72 | Bi-weekly TSLA Investor Thread This will post every other Monday (EST). Use this thread to comment your own investor links or commentary. This thread is specifically intended for TSLA related posts. This thread is meant only for casual discussion regarding TSLA stock. Only generic investing-related topics will be allowed as posts. This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance. | Man I feel like I expected this as a 4 year investor. I just ignore it all in the long run. My cost basis is \\~210 (same as Ron Baron). I buy large dips like the \\~150 and the \\~250 dip but in general I just hold and sit back. This is the biggest story stock biggest emotional stock and largest shorted stock. The financial analysts think they can somehow apply fundamentals to this stock which they can t. All the shorts are foaming at the mouth trying to kill this company. The oil companies entrenched manufacturers dealerships energy sector foreign aerospace govt etc etc etc.. ALL have an interest in seeing Tesla fail. This country is full of optimists that don t want to live in a world that doesn t look like Musk s vision and they are willing to put their savings retirements and investments aside to give Tesla a chance. Half my investment is in my IRA the rest is in personal equity. I don t need this money for 10+ years. I m willing to let it ride to see what Tesla can do. I wouldn t sell until it goes under \\~$100 or so for tax harvesting. I just don t think the world understands that component even though it s screamed at them repeatedly. I don t think they understand the brand new industry that is being created and the moats Tesla is creating every day. Their battery density & prices vertical integration supercharging network missile cell tech self driving hardware software and AP mapping data manufacturing breakthroughs solar roofs smart grid energy storage etc etc. They are obviously sitting on even more advanced tech with claimed 200kWh+ roadster and semi batteries motors and god knows what else. It s not like their engineers have just been sitting in a dark room playing Dungeons and Dragons while the Model 3 has been ramping up. Just keep these things in perspective before you go down the doom and gloom route. This stock is hyper emotional yes a 7& #37 swing is fucking crazy with this big of a company but it s not crazy for this stock. edit: wow 10 down votes in the last 10 minutes.. hmm | Will hitting 200k hurt stock? I think the announcement will come in the next 2 weeks. | 65 | 2 | 2,676 |
8v7g2d | 72 | Bi-weekly TSLA Investor Thread This will post every other Monday (EST). Use this thread to comment your own investor links or commentary. This thread is specifically intended for TSLA related posts. This thread is meant only for casual discussion regarding TSLA stock. Only generic investing-related topics will be allowed as posts. This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance. | Man I feel like I expected this as a 4 year investor. I just ignore it all in the long run. My cost basis is \\~210 (same as Ron Baron). I buy large dips like the \\~150 and the \\~250 dip but in general I just hold and sit back. This is the biggest story stock biggest emotional stock and largest shorted stock. The financial analysts think they can somehow apply fundamentals to this stock which they can t. All the shorts are foaming at the mouth trying to kill this company. The oil companies entrenched manufacturers dealerships energy sector foreign aerospace govt etc etc etc.. ALL have an interest in seeing Tesla fail. This country is full of optimists that don t want to live in a world that doesn t look like Musk s vision and they are willing to put their savings retirements and investments aside to give Tesla a chance. Half my investment is in my IRA the rest is in personal equity. I don t need this money for 10+ years. I m willing to let it ride to see what Tesla can do. I wouldn t sell until it goes under \\~$100 or so for tax harvesting. I just don t think the world understands that component even though it s screamed at them repeatedly. I don t think they understand the brand new industry that is being created and the moats Tesla is creating every day. Their battery density & prices vertical integration supercharging network missile cell tech self driving hardware software and AP mapping data manufacturing breakthroughs solar roofs smart grid energy storage etc etc. They are obviously sitting on even more advanced tech with claimed 200kWh+ roadster and semi batteries motors and god knows what else. It s not like their engineers have just been sitting in a dark room playing Dungeons and Dragons while the Model 3 has been ramping up. Just keep these things in perspective before you go down the doom and gloom route. This stock is hyper emotional yes a 7& #37 swing is fucking crazy with this big of a company but it s not crazy for this stock. edit: wow 10 down votes in the last 10 minutes.. hmm | Predictions for tomorrow?? | 65 | 2 | 2,677 |
8v7g2d | 72 | Bi-weekly TSLA Investor Thread This will post every other Monday (EST). Use this thread to comment your own investor links or commentary. This thread is specifically intended for TSLA related posts. This thread is meant only for casual discussion regarding TSLA stock. Only generic investing-related topics will be allowed as posts. This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance. | Man I feel like I expected this as a 4 year investor. I just ignore it all in the long run. My cost basis is \\~210 (same as Ron Baron). I buy large dips like the \\~150 and the \\~250 dip but in general I just hold and sit back. This is the biggest story stock biggest emotional stock and largest shorted stock. The financial analysts think they can somehow apply fundamentals to this stock which they can t. All the shorts are foaming at the mouth trying to kill this company. The oil companies entrenched manufacturers dealerships energy sector foreign aerospace govt etc etc etc.. ALL have an interest in seeing Tesla fail. This country is full of optimists that don t want to live in a world that doesn t look like Musk s vision and they are willing to put their savings retirements and investments aside to give Tesla a chance. Half my investment is in my IRA the rest is in personal equity. I don t need this money for 10+ years. I m willing to let it ride to see what Tesla can do. I wouldn t sell until it goes under \\~$100 or so for tax harvesting. I just don t think the world understands that component even though it s screamed at them repeatedly. I don t think they understand the brand new industry that is being created and the moats Tesla is creating every day. Their battery density & prices vertical integration supercharging network missile cell tech self driving hardware software and AP mapping data manufacturing breakthroughs solar roofs smart grid energy storage etc etc. They are obviously sitting on even more advanced tech with claimed 200kWh+ roadster and semi batteries motors and god knows what else. It s not like their engineers have just been sitting in a dark room playing Dungeons and Dragons while the Model 3 has been ramping up. Just keep these things in perspective before you go down the doom and gloom route. This stock is hyper emotional yes a 7& #37 swing is fucking crazy with this big of a company but it s not crazy for this stock. edit: wow 10 down votes in the last 10 minutes.. hmm | When I woke up (CET) and saw the 5k news I placed an order for one Tesla share. What do I need to be aware of? And where can I learn the basics of share trading? | 65 | 2 | 2,678 |
8v85a0 | 83 | I just bricked my Model 3 *** See end of post for TL dr and link to solution *** So here I am less than a week into owning my very own Model 3. Once while showing it off the UI locked up when I attempted to change from Chill to Normal mode and I needed to reboot it. Another time my FM radio seemed to crash so after about 20 minutes of listening to silence I held in those two buttons to reboot it and everything was hunky dory again. Well today I parked it in my garage for the first time. I also plugged it in to my 120 outlet for the first time. Great! I ll get up to 80% charge in only 18 hours :) As I sat in the driver s seat poking around the various settings I noticed it asked me if I was at home and wanted to save my current location for future use. Sure I gave it permission. But I noticed it thinks I m at my neighbour s address so I attempted to click on it to see if I could edit it to have it show my own address. Well that was the end of me being able to use my car. The screen became unresponsive. After about a minute or so it rebooted itself. Then it came back up still unresponsive and then another reboot. I decided to try unplugging the car to see if the charging screen that I couldn t close was the problem. On the next reboot it came up with the map instead of the charging window. But we repeat the same cycle: 1. Music playing 2. Screen displaying current status location time etc but otherwise entirely unresponsive to touch 3. Music stops 4. Screen goes blank for a moment 5. Tesla logo appears 6. Screen comes back 7. Music resumes playing 8. Repeat. If I reboot manually it takes a little longer to come back but it s otherwise identical. If I use the Mobile App to ask the car to flash the lights this seems to happen after it s next self-reboot cycle. If I press the brake to start the car the brake lights come on but there s otherwise no response. If I push the gear selector down nothing on the screen happens and I do not hear the parking brake disengage. I gave Tesla a call to ask what to do about it. They asked me to try rebooting one more time which I did to no avail. We re currently leaving the car alone for some time to see if it ll reinitialize itself when I return to it. This is a bit disappointing that what appears to be a nav system glitch has effectively bricked the entire car. I m running 2018.21.9 if anyone is curious. TL dr: While car was parked at home I accidentally tried to navigate home. Now the car won t respond or start. Solution: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8v85a0 i_just_bricked_my_model_3 e1lc2ns | Ok so they promised to call back in 20-30 minutes. I called them after a little more than an hour. While I was waiting on hold I had a hunch. Managed to fix it myself. So for anyone else who may run into this issue if it s caused by the nav system here s what I did: Hover your finger over the Cancel Navigation button. Doesn t matter if you press it it s not like it s going to care. But when it reboots and first comes up press it RIGHT AWAY. Not one second later -- that s too late -- immediately when it comes up. Voila. Everything works again and you can start the car. Also it really sucks that the woman I spoke with went home despite offering to and very clearly telling me she d call back in 20 minutes after the car has had a moment to sleep for a while to see if that would help it (it didn t). | That is really not good. Hopefully Tesla repairs it soon and continues to operate as others. Tesla is really reliant on their software so they truly need to nail it for the cars to catch on. I hope this issue is very limited. | 120 | 15 | 2,679 |
8v8otg | 1,204 | Tesla is approaching (or has already reached) a S 3 X weekly production rate of 7 000. At this rate Tesla will produce more cars in the next 12 months than it has in the past 10 years. Other Fun Facts: - Tesla will soon announce a production number for Q2 of 2018. It will be close to 55 000 vehicles. This is more than the amount of vehicles produced from 2008 to the beginning of 2015 combined. - Less than 55 000 vehicles were made in all of 2015 by Tesla. - Q2 2018 will be close to a 100% increase in number of vehicles produced when compared to Q2 2017. - In the next 3 months Tesla will make more vehicles than it did in all of 2016. EDIT PROOF: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1013519243030253570 Thanks Elon! EDIT - According to the company email being spread around there is a chance that in Q4 2018 Tesla will produce more vehicles than it did in all of 2017. | Where did you get these numbers? | Talk about progress! Im so happy i can witness all these things in my youth and im glad i can say i was alive at this time | 173 | 29 | 2,680 |
8v8otg | 1,204 | Tesla is approaching (or has already reached) a S 3 X weekly production rate of 7 000. At this rate Tesla will produce more cars in the next 12 months than it has in the past 10 years. Other Fun Facts: - Tesla will soon announce a production number for Q2 of 2018. It will be close to 55 000 vehicles. This is more than the amount of vehicles produced from 2008 to the beginning of 2015 combined. - Less than 55 000 vehicles were made in all of 2015 by Tesla. - Q2 2018 will be close to a 100% increase in number of vehicles produced when compared to Q2 2017. - In the next 3 months Tesla will make more vehicles than it did in all of 2016. EDIT PROOF: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1013519243030253570 Thanks Elon! EDIT - According to the company email being spread around there is a chance that in Q4 2018 Tesla will produce more vehicles than it did in all of 2017. | Add sources OP | Sure hope the service centers and other support staff are expanding appropriately to support the growth in the fleet! | 162 | 25 | 2,681 |
8v8otg | 1,204 | Tesla is approaching (or has already reached) a S 3 X weekly production rate of 7 000. At this rate Tesla will produce more cars in the next 12 months than it has in the past 10 years. Other Fun Facts: - Tesla will soon announce a production number for Q2 of 2018. It will be close to 55 000 vehicles. This is more than the amount of vehicles produced from 2008 to the beginning of 2015 combined. - Less than 55 000 vehicles were made in all of 2015 by Tesla. - Q2 2018 will be close to a 100% increase in number of vehicles produced when compared to Q2 2017. - In the next 3 months Tesla will make more vehicles than it did in all of 2016. EDIT PROOF: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1013519243030253570 Thanks Elon! EDIT - According to the company email being spread around there is a chance that in Q4 2018 Tesla will produce more vehicles than it did in all of 2017. | Add sources OP | Talk about progress! Im so happy i can witness all these things in my youth and im glad i can say i was alive at this time | 162 | 29 | 2,682 |
8v95k3 | 249 | Feature Request:Honk when inflating when at desired psi When the user goes to a car maintenance screen indicates they are inflating tire set the desired pressure then the car will honk one time when that pressure is reached while you are filling it outside Sorry if this exists already. | You should reflair this as idea so that it is easier to search through all the ideas. (Also it isn t specifically for the Model 3 anyway). | I was wondering if that s a thing with Tesla... love it in wife s Rogue. | 52 | 8 | 2,683 |
8v9f50 | 247 | Feature Request: Beep when Model 3 locks as you walk away I m sure I m not the only one but \\~75& #37 of the time I look back to see if the mirrors fold (so I can tell if the car locked as I walk away). Would be great if there was a little beep like most cars make when you lock with a fob. | Yeah good luck with that. People have been asking for this since the S came out in 2012... Edit: I see Tesla is starting to add this feature! That s awesome. The Model 3 owners on this sub have done something the S X owners couldn t for 5+ years... they got Tesla to add honk on lock! | I always look back too. And I check it again with the app while I m walking. Im paranoid :) | 34 | 3 | 2,684 |
8vbkds | 49 | Just changed my Model 3 paint color - knocked my delivery back by a month I was put off by the website s rendering of the blue when ordering. However after seeing a few blue Tesla s in the wild and visiting a store to see a sample palette in person I decided that blue was for me. I ordered obsidian black metallic on 6 27 had a Sept-Nov delivery. Changed it to blue just now... Oct-Dec. :( Not sure why but let this be a cautionary tale to the fickle. | They might be batching by color. Take one for the team and change the color back. Report back if the date returns to Sept-Nov. :D | Blue and red Teslas... turn my head every time | 58 | 11 | 2,685 |
8vbkds | 49 | Just changed my Model 3 paint color - knocked my delivery back by a month I was put off by the website s rendering of the blue when ordering. However after seeing a few blue Tesla s in the wild and visiting a store to see a sample palette in person I decided that blue was for me. I ordered obsidian black metallic on 6 27 had a Sept-Nov delivery. Changed it to blue just now... Oct-Dec. :( Not sure why but let this be a cautionary tale to the fickle. | They might be batching by color. Take one for the team and change the color back. Report back if the date returns to Sept-Nov. :D | This would seem to be more evidence the orders are pouring in. | 58 | 12 | 2,686 |
8vbkds | 49 | Just changed my Model 3 paint color - knocked my delivery back by a month I was put off by the website s rendering of the blue when ordering. However after seeing a few blue Tesla s in the wild and visiting a store to see a sample palette in person I decided that blue was for me. I ordered obsidian black metallic on 6 27 had a Sept-Nov delivery. Changed it to blue just now... Oct-Dec. :( Not sure why but let this be a cautionary tale to the fickle. | Someone probably went like: - Boss the guy we were going to surprise by delivering his car 4 months earlier just changed the color on it. What do we do? - Just put another month on his delivery date to teach him a lesson. | Wow glad I haven t touched my order. I though about modifying my color too. | 37 | 3 | 2,687 |
8vdo78 | 27 | Trade-in experience with Tesla (so far) Will be trading my in 2012 Infiniti M37X w 64000 miles on it heavily optioned. Car is is pretty good condition no accidents general wear and tear nothing glaringly wrong with it. KBB in good condition is somewhere around 16 000-16 500 trade-in value Tesla offered 15 500 (pretty good considering what I ve read online I was expecting less) CarMax offered 14 500 (pretty bad considering I have done business with them before and they offered right near Blue Book. Was hoping for 16 000) I could probably sell it for 17 500 privately.. maybe... Anyway pretty happy overall 17 days and counting!! | In many states the trade in value is deducted from the sale price when calculating sales tax. If that is the case for you add that value to the trade value when comparing to what you could make selling it privately. For instance if your sales tax is 6% that s an additional $930 value to add to the trade in of 15 500. | I d probably take their offer to make things simple. Let them do the paperwork. Offer seems fit enough unless you have a cash offer lined up | 35 | 6 | 2,688 |
8vjecn | 65 | [Discussion] I m looking for a Tesla owner in Central NY. I m looking for someone that would be willing to take my grandfather for a ride in their Tesla. He s 89 and always super fascinated about Teslas. He s will always ask me questions about them and if I think they re really as good as people say. Given his age and our family I couldn t see him getting to ride in one any other way. My family isn t middle class enough to afford a Tesla or even know someone that has one. There isn t a dealership anywhere near us but I do see them often enough around here though. Syracuse Watertown and Rochester are all within driving distance from me for reference. I know this sounds sketchy but I know there isn t any other way for him to ever ride in one. If there is someone interested feel free to PM me and we can hash out the details. I ll go through whatever vetting you need to make sure I m not an axe murderer lol. Thanks guys | I m in Buffalo but commute to Rochester twice a week. I m also able to stay with inlaws out that way so if you want to work out a weekend that s probably a possibility as well. Let me know. | You can rent an older S on Turo for $150-200 day. It will make for a very memorable day trip. | 39 | 3 | 2,689 |
8vjecn | 65 | [Discussion] I m looking for a Tesla owner in Central NY. I m looking for someone that would be willing to take my grandfather for a ride in their Tesla. He s 89 and always super fascinated about Teslas. He s will always ask me questions about them and if I think they re really as good as people say. Given his age and our family I couldn t see him getting to ride in one any other way. My family isn t middle class enough to afford a Tesla or even know someone that has one. There isn t a dealership anywhere near us but I do see them often enough around here though. Syracuse Watertown and Rochester are all within driving distance from me for reference. I know this sounds sketchy but I know there isn t any other way for him to ever ride in one. If there is someone interested feel free to PM me and we can hash out the details. I ll go through whatever vetting you need to make sure I m not an axe murderer lol. Thanks guys | I m in Buffalo but commute to Rochester twice a week. I m also able to stay with inlaws out that way so if you want to work out a weekend that s probably a possibility as well. Let me know. | If you don t find any takers in NY but you happen to be in eastern Ohio or western PA anytime soon shoot me a message. I d be happy to let him drive mine. | 39 | 5 | 2,690 |
8vjecn | 65 | [Discussion] I m looking for a Tesla owner in Central NY. I m looking for someone that would be willing to take my grandfather for a ride in their Tesla. He s 89 and always super fascinated about Teslas. He s will always ask me questions about them and if I think they re really as good as people say. Given his age and our family I couldn t see him getting to ride in one any other way. My family isn t middle class enough to afford a Tesla or even know someone that has one. There isn t a dealership anywhere near us but I do see them often enough around here though. Syracuse Watertown and Rochester are all within driving distance from me for reference. I know this sounds sketchy but I know there isn t any other way for him to ever ride in one. If there is someone interested feel free to PM me and we can hash out the details. I ll go through whatever vetting you need to make sure I m not an axe murderer lol. Thanks guys | I m in Buffalo but commute to Rochester twice a week. I m also able to stay with inlaws out that way so if you want to work out a weekend that s probably a possibility as well. Let me know. | Best of luck! If he hasn t gotten his ride in a few months I will be happy to do it when I get my model 3!! | 39 | 11 | 2,691 |
8vm3ql | 129 | Feature Request: Ability to roll the windows all the way up from the app. And why not add the ability to crack them slightly too while we re at it. Many people leave their windows cracked on a nice day before going off to do whatever but it d be nice to know that you can easily shut them from the app in case the weather takes a turn for the worse. | To add to this idea would be cool if the car could sense rain from the cameras and auto close all the windows. | Or rain sensor internet weather auto closes. | 52 | 9 | 2,692 |
8vsgt6 | 192 | Humans in other cars stress me out when autopilot is on. I live near Toronto and use the 401 a lot. Aka the busiest highway in the world. Autopilot has a couple quirks that really seem to piss off other drivers and make them want to pass me. It can be quite stressful. First of all when someone cuts in front of you autopilot won t recognize them until they are over halfway into your lane. And then almost slam on the brakes to keep whatever car distance you have set. Humans don t react this way. What humans usually do in this instead is lift their foot off the accelerator after someone turns their signal on and let the space between return naturally. No braking. The problem is that autopilot doesn t respond at all to car signals. After autopilot slams on the brakes the car behind usually immediately passes me then autopilot speeds up to fill in the space again. So the person who just passed is beside me and now either wanting to cut infront of me or go back behind me pissed off. Another thing the car follow distance in stop and go traffic is really huge. When we are going 0-10km hr I don t need 10-20 feet of distance between the car in front and me and that seems to be the minimum. This also pisses drivers off in my area and makes them want to pass me. I think autopilot is great and I understand these features are usually better and safer than human responses but for now most of the cars on the road are driven by humans and I think it might be better to have options to blend in more. It might just be my area where these problem exists. | I usually keep large distances during slow speeds so I m not constantly slamming on my brakes. Saves my brakes and my mpg (I have no form of TACC). You definitely get people that see this bit of space as a need to pass so that they can more quickly get to the wall of traffic up ahead. Those people are idiots. | well humans in other cars stress me out when i m passenger too. ๐ | 53 | 6 | 2,693 |
8vsgt6 | 192 | Humans in other cars stress me out when autopilot is on. I live near Toronto and use the 401 a lot. Aka the busiest highway in the world. Autopilot has a couple quirks that really seem to piss off other drivers and make them want to pass me. It can be quite stressful. First of all when someone cuts in front of you autopilot won t recognize them until they are over halfway into your lane. And then almost slam on the brakes to keep whatever car distance you have set. Humans don t react this way. What humans usually do in this instead is lift their foot off the accelerator after someone turns their signal on and let the space between return naturally. No braking. The problem is that autopilot doesn t respond at all to car signals. After autopilot slams on the brakes the car behind usually immediately passes me then autopilot speeds up to fill in the space again. So the person who just passed is beside me and now either wanting to cut infront of me or go back behind me pissed off. Another thing the car follow distance in stop and go traffic is really huge. When we are going 0-10km hr I don t need 10-20 feet of distance between the car in front and me and that seems to be the minimum. This also pisses drivers off in my area and makes them want to pass me. I think autopilot is great and I understand these features are usually better and safer than human responses but for now most of the cars on the road are driven by humans and I think it might be better to have options to blend in more. It might just be my area where these problem exists. | I was following another Tesla the other day and I had TACC on and was thinking it would be awesome if the Tesla in front of me could communicate what it knew about the traffic ahead to my car. If there was a standard adopted across all auto makers and we eventually hit critical mass the ability to gain complete visibility of all traffic around you without relying solely on your own car s sensors should be achievable and traffic should flow so much more smoothly - wishful thinking in the short to mid term I am sure. | I mitigate the rage in stop go traffic by setting following distance to 1 which seems to keep the gap small enough to discourage all but the most asshole drivers. The update a couple updates ago would stupid aggressive about slamming on the brakes when someone would pull into your lane - I think it was 14.2. They have lessoned that in the subsequent updates - it doesn t brake as hard and resumes accelerating sooner. But yeah it sounds like you may not be on the latest update yet if that s still happening. | 38 | 2 | 2,694 |
8vsgt6 | 192 | Humans in other cars stress me out when autopilot is on. I live near Toronto and use the 401 a lot. Aka the busiest highway in the world. Autopilot has a couple quirks that really seem to piss off other drivers and make them want to pass me. It can be quite stressful. First of all when someone cuts in front of you autopilot won t recognize them until they are over halfway into your lane. And then almost slam on the brakes to keep whatever car distance you have set. Humans don t react this way. What humans usually do in this instead is lift their foot off the accelerator after someone turns their signal on and let the space between return naturally. No braking. The problem is that autopilot doesn t respond at all to car signals. After autopilot slams on the brakes the car behind usually immediately passes me then autopilot speeds up to fill in the space again. So the person who just passed is beside me and now either wanting to cut infront of me or go back behind me pissed off. Another thing the car follow distance in stop and go traffic is really huge. When we are going 0-10km hr I don t need 10-20 feet of distance between the car in front and me and that seems to be the minimum. This also pisses drivers off in my area and makes them want to pass me. I think autopilot is great and I understand these features are usually better and safer than human responses but for now most of the cars on the road are driven by humans and I think it might be better to have options to blend in more. It might just be my area where these problem exists. | I was following another Tesla the other day and I had TACC on and was thinking it would be awesome if the Tesla in front of me could communicate what it knew about the traffic ahead to my car. If there was a standard adopted across all auto makers and we eventually hit critical mass the ability to gain complete visibility of all traffic around you without relying solely on your own car s sensors should be achievable and traffic should flow so much more smoothly - wishful thinking in the short to mid term I am sure. | You can temper the braking by gently pressing the accelerator and slowly easing off. Makes for a smoother transition. That s how I handle SF Bay Area traffic. | 38 | 4 | 2,695 |
8vswgy | 86 | [Discussion] Surge of negative articles coming from Media Outlets. Appears the stock price is being affected as a result. Is this blatant proof of influence of individuals with short positions on the media ? | I don t know but it sure feels like it. I don t know if I m just projecting the internet Tesla haters onto the media or what but everything I read seems super biased. (With the exception of that one NYT article.) Here is why I think there is something more going on here: For the month of June the stock was super volatile but was overall higher than where it had been the months prior. Most bears thought Tesla would miss their production numbers. Right now the bear argument is it doesn t matter that Tesla hit their numbers it s unsustainable and blah blah blah. What I don t get is if you think Tesla is overpriced *now* then why wouldn t you be thinking that when you ALSO thought they would miss their numbers during last month? The only thing I can think is that the Bears were expecting a miss on production and the stock to be 20-30% lower right now and they re trying to keep the pressure on to keep the stock down. A self fulfilling prophecy. Bring on the hate! | not as bad as it was in april :) | 53 | 4 | 2,696 |
8vswgy | 86 | [Discussion] Surge of negative articles coming from Media Outlets. Appears the stock price is being affected as a result. Is this blatant proof of influence of individuals with short positions on the media ? | I don t know but it sure feels like it. I don t know if I m just projecting the internet Tesla haters onto the media or what but everything I read seems super biased. (With the exception of that one NYT article.) Here is why I think there is something more going on here: For the month of June the stock was super volatile but was overall higher than where it had been the months prior. Most bears thought Tesla would miss their production numbers. Right now the bear argument is it doesn t matter that Tesla hit their numbers it s unsustainable and blah blah blah. What I don t get is if you think Tesla is overpriced *now* then why wouldn t you be thinking that when you ALSO thought they would miss their numbers during last month? The only thing I can think is that the Bears were expecting a miss on production and the stock to be 20-30% lower right now and they re trying to keep the pressure on to keep the stock down. A self fulfilling prophecy. Bring on the hate! | I doubt there is any coordinated conspiracy. Some big shorts are going to push for negative coverage but I m on board with hey Tesla needs to prove the can make these cars profitably. They aren t out of the woods yet. I believe 100% they will get there. But in the mean time the short thesis remains at least plausible though i don t buy it. | 53 | 7 | 2,697 |
8vswgy | 86 | [Discussion] Surge of negative articles coming from Media Outlets. Appears the stock price is being affected as a result. Is this blatant proof of influence of individuals with short positions on the media ? | Can t people on here ever accept that sometimes stocks just sell off? What was bad about the banks stress tests last week? Nothing they were great but they sold off. The stock is down. It s not manipulation. People sell all the time. It just so happens more are selling now than 2 days ago. 5000 week is a meaningless number in the scope of things. It really proves nothing of importance. So they hit some arbitrary small production amount that they ve been behind on for a while. Great. Why should the stock go up? | not as bad as it was in april :) | 34 | 4 | 2,698 |
8vv4vx | 165 | The cycle of anti-Tesla denial. Ever since Tesla was first taken seriously a decade ago there has been a cycle of hostile claims that seems to have become immune to fact in order to survive. It s a cycle of [doublethink](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Doublethink) and [moving goalposts](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Moving_the_goalposts) where every success is actually a failure and each new step forward gives increasing evidence of impending doom. The cycle: > 1) The specs are a fantasy. > 2) No one will want it. > 3) The company can t meet production targets before running out of money. > 4) Production levels can t be sustained. > 5) The company can t scale production **fast enough** to meet demand and will lose ground to competitors. > 6) Forget ongoing successes exist even as they continue to scale and repeat cycle from step (1) about new products. Notice how each step in the cycle rests on being wrong in all the last ones using its own predictive failures as building blocks for new ones - an inversion of the concept of credibility. In the most recent production cycle critics confidently asserted that the company would not reach its goal of producing 5 000 Model 3s per week. The proverbial ink was not even dry on Tesla s announcement of success when the same critics *sprinted in despair* from Step 3 to Step 4 and declared the rate unsustainable. We can look forward to Step 5 when they begin insisting Model 3 - a car that was never supposed to exist and never supposed to have scaled from a company that was supposed to have died a hundred times by now in a dozen ways - will be defeated by nonexistent competitors. And we can look forward to future repetitions of the cycle for more ambitious vehicles and projects. Analysts skeptical of 100k week production target for Model R. Will consumers pay $9 000 for a car with only 2 500 miles of range? TSLA again fails to overtake Berkshire Hathaway. Knock on wood of course but smile in the knowledge that character is destiny. | Gotta love that doublethink. Tesla took a couple years to go from concept to mass production? They re an incompetent rubbish manufacturer and doomed to fail. Competitors show off concept cars and promise they ll produce them in a couple of years? The pros are here Tesla is doomed to fail! Some of these critics are very silly people. | I do think that at this larger scale the naysayers do have more valid arguments in the sense that Tesla is now playing with the big boys - the company is now large enough that managerial errors and miscalculations can no longer be compensated for by insane amounts of effort or Musk(or his Silicon Valley collegues) stepping up to the plate to provide more funding. I absolutely believe Tesla can and will survive but they need to make some changes to how the company operates to do so. In short - they need to grow up. | 52 | 18 | 2,699 |
8vvjak | 52 | Getting cold feet someone please talk me off the ledge Ok I know we don t like doubters here so I m anticipating some heavy downvotes but have no where else to turn for support. My model 3 is scheduled to be delivered on Thursday. I rented the car on Turo for a day and I loved it. I think it is absolutely worth the asking price and I was extremely excited when I got the call that it s ready for me. In the last 24 hours though I ve been getting major cold feet. I am generally rather risk averse by nature and generally make financially well-thought out decisions. My only real concern is what happens to support for the 3 if Tesla doesn t make it. Unlike most ICE cars we are very dependent on the service centers for both hardware and software support. I installed a NEMA 14-50 and obviously paid $3 500 to Tesla so I ve got $4 000 in sunk costs that are not coming back if I back out. I m trying to weigh that against needing to spend additional $50k+. Money is not a constraint but I d really be mad at myself if it turns out I waste this kind of cash in a year or two. Someone please talk me off the ledge... surely someone would buy up Tesla or they d discharge debt in bankruptcy and continue right if the worst was to happen. | Even if Tesla were to go out of business there is a significant likelihood that someone would buy the remnants. Parts might be a concern but you can get parts for cars that are much rarer than the Model 3 is going to be in a very short time. If you couldn t get OTA updates you would be in a similar position to pretty much every other car out there. Bottom line: Don t worry it s going to be just fine. Enjoy your new car. | Tesla ain t going anywhere. I wake up everyday excited as hell to drive mine. You won t regret it. | 92 | 2 | 2,700 |
8vvjak | 52 | Getting cold feet someone please talk me off the ledge Ok I know we don t like doubters here so I m anticipating some heavy downvotes but have no where else to turn for support. My model 3 is scheduled to be delivered on Thursday. I rented the car on Turo for a day and I loved it. I think it is absolutely worth the asking price and I was extremely excited when I got the call that it s ready for me. In the last 24 hours though I ve been getting major cold feet. I am generally rather risk averse by nature and generally make financially well-thought out decisions. My only real concern is what happens to support for the 3 if Tesla doesn t make it. Unlike most ICE cars we are very dependent on the service centers for both hardware and software support. I installed a NEMA 14-50 and obviously paid $3 500 to Tesla so I ve got $4 000 in sunk costs that are not coming back if I back out. I m trying to weigh that against needing to spend additional $50k+. Money is not a constraint but I d really be mad at myself if it turns out I waste this kind of cash in a year or two. Someone please talk me off the ledge... surely someone would buy up Tesla or they d discharge debt in bankruptcy and continue right if the worst was to happen. | Even if Tesla were to go out of business there is a significant likelihood that someone would buy the remnants. Parts might be a concern but you can get parts for cars that are much rarer than the Model 3 is going to be in a very short time. If you couldn t get OTA updates you would be in a similar position to pretty much every other car out there. Bottom line: Don t worry it s going to be just fine. Enjoy your new car. | 1. Downvotes you may be getting are most likely for the fact that you should be in the monthly Q& A thread and not the doubt. 2. Elon Musk has shown repeatedly that he ll put every dollar he has into something he believes in before he lets it fail. See: SpaceX. 3. The brand cache and the patents alone would be worth purchasing for many companies 4. Once there are several hundred thousand on the roads people will find solutions (people can still get parts for AMC and Delorian cars) | 92 | 2 | 2,701 |
8vvjak | 52 | Getting cold feet someone please talk me off the ledge Ok I know we don t like doubters here so I m anticipating some heavy downvotes but have no where else to turn for support. My model 3 is scheduled to be delivered on Thursday. I rented the car on Turo for a day and I loved it. I think it is absolutely worth the asking price and I was extremely excited when I got the call that it s ready for me. In the last 24 hours though I ve been getting major cold feet. I am generally rather risk averse by nature and generally make financially well-thought out decisions. My only real concern is what happens to support for the 3 if Tesla doesn t make it. Unlike most ICE cars we are very dependent on the service centers for both hardware and software support. I installed a NEMA 14-50 and obviously paid $3 500 to Tesla so I ve got $4 000 in sunk costs that are not coming back if I back out. I m trying to weigh that against needing to spend additional $50k+. Money is not a constraint but I d really be mad at myself if it turns out I waste this kind of cash in a year or two. Someone please talk me off the ledge... surely someone would buy up Tesla or they d discharge debt in bankruptcy and continue right if the worst was to happen. | Even if Tesla were to go out of business there is a significant likelihood that someone would buy the remnants. Parts might be a concern but you can get parts for cars that are much rarer than the Model 3 is going to be in a very short time. If you couldn t get OTA updates you would be in a similar position to pretty much every other car out there. Bottom line: Don t worry it s going to be just fine. Enjoy your new car. | First where is this fear coming from? Let s dissect that and go from there. As far as Tesla going bankwupt here s a few things that should settle you: - tesla announced a new battery farm contract with CA worth $230 million. Plus other countries in the works. - they just hit a milestone of 5000 models 3 s a week. (That s $250 000 000 a WEEK and that doesn t include AP purchases and model S and X s. if they are pulling 20% profit and I m under cutting heavy that s still $50 000 000 a WEEK.) - they still have 400k + reservations around the world. - they still have the semi to build. I honestly could keep going Tesla is not bound by just car production hey still have batteries they are selling by the boatloads around the world. I don t foresee Tesla going anywhere for a very long time. | 92 | 3 | 2,702 |
8vx4gu | 326 | Model 3 avoided being sideswiped by a flatbed semi today by automatically steering away I ve heard this happened to others before but it just happened to me today. I was behind a flatbed semi this morning on a 4 lane freeway. The left 2 lanes keep going straight and the right 2 lanes is an off on ramp that takes you to I-450S. The semi changed lane to the right most lane. I was slowly catching up and part of my car is next to the semi. I noticed its left-turn signal (small red dot) is blinking. I was wondering maybe it wants to change lane later. That s when I saw the semi started veer into my lane! Before I could act my Model 3 took over and steer the car to the left. I applied brake to slow down enough and I was able to clear the semi and get back on to the ramp. Didn t even have time to honk. EDIT: I was not using EAP EDIT2: The semi made a 2 lane change before the off ramp. | My Model 3 detected the car *in front of the car* in front me slamming on their brakes and saved me from rear-ending them both. I couldn t even SEE the other car must be the radar in action? | Glad to hear it saved your butt! Did it give you the audible warning beeps? If only they had the dash cam feature up and running! I m guessing you didn t have your own. | 108 | 8 | 2,703 |
8vx4gu | 326 | Model 3 avoided being sideswiped by a flatbed semi today by automatically steering away I ve heard this happened to others before but it just happened to me today. I was behind a flatbed semi this morning on a 4 lane freeway. The left 2 lanes keep going straight and the right 2 lanes is an off on ramp that takes you to I-450S. The semi changed lane to the right most lane. I was slowly catching up and part of my car is next to the semi. I noticed its left-turn signal (small red dot) is blinking. I was wondering maybe it wants to change lane later. That s when I saw the semi started veer into my lane! Before I could act my Model 3 took over and steer the car to the left. I applied brake to slow down enough and I was able to clear the semi and get back on to the ramp. Didn t even have time to honk. EDIT: I was not using EAP EDIT2: The semi made a 2 lane change before the off ramp. | My Model 3 detected the car *in front of the car* in front me slamming on their brakes and saved me from rear-ending them both. I couldn t even SEE the other car must be the radar in action? | Forgot to mention I was not using EAP at the time. | 108 | 21 | 2,704 |
8vx4gu | 326 | Model 3 avoided being sideswiped by a flatbed semi today by automatically steering away I ve heard this happened to others before but it just happened to me today. I was behind a flatbed semi this morning on a 4 lane freeway. The left 2 lanes keep going straight and the right 2 lanes is an off on ramp that takes you to I-450S. The semi changed lane to the right most lane. I was slowly catching up and part of my car is next to the semi. I noticed its left-turn signal (small red dot) is blinking. I was wondering maybe it wants to change lane later. That s when I saw the semi started veer into my lane! Before I could act my Model 3 took over and steer the car to the left. I applied brake to slow down enough and I was able to clear the semi and get back on to the ramp. Didn t even have time to honk. EDIT: I was not using EAP EDIT2: The semi made a 2 lane change before the off ramp. | This stuff saves lives. Never as sensational to the world as the few instances that it doesn t work. Which is a shame. | Glad to hear it saved your butt! Did it give you the audible warning beeps? If only they had the dash cam feature up and running! I m guessing you didn t have your own. | 92 | 8 | 2,705 |
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