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8vxnz0 | 274 | PSA for US buyers: arbitration clause I just bought the model 3 (I get it this week!) and saw there s a binding arbitration agreement in the Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement. I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of this and that you can opt out. You must opt out within 30 days of signing the Purchase Agreement. First to opt out write a letter to: Tesla Inc. PO Box 15430 Fremont CA 94539-7970 Your letter needs to include: * Your name * Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) * Intent to opt out of the arbitration provision If you paid your $2500 deposit on 6 27 when the remaining reservations opened you should notify Tesla by 7 27 to be safe so mail your letter by 7 23. ## What s this about? Normally if a company harms you you have several avenues to resolve the issue: negotiation non-binding arbitration individual law suits class-action (group) law suits and more. You can also appeal the courts decision if necessary. However mandatory binding arbitration limits your options to just individual arbitration so it s much more difficult to get resolution and much more likely that they would win. You can t appeal a binding arbitration decision. This agreement forces arbitration for any issue with Tesla including privacy safety warranty and lease problems. Binding arbitration is not consumer friendly. Here are a few articles about it. [Consumerist](https: consumerist.com 2014 02 25 why-you-should-opt-out-of-forced-arbitration-in-3-sentences index.html) [Life Hacker](https: lifehacker.com why-you-should-opt-out-of-forced-arbitration-whenever-p-1538184105) [Consumer Reports](https: www.consumerreports.org consumer-protection did-your-bank-send-you-an-opt-out-of-arbitration-letter ) ## Other answers > I m not planning on suing Tesla. Why should I do this? If you don t opt out of binding arbitration you permanently agree to only use arbitration. By opting out you preserve your right to use all remedies at your disposal. You are not giving up your right to use arbitration (non-binding or binding) by opting out of mandatory binding arbitration. You also aren t agreeing to sue Tesla by opting out. > I don t have a VIN yet. Should I wait until one has been issued? I d send two letters. Send the first one within the 30 days and note that the VIN has not been issued yet. Send a followup letter later for each VIN vehicle you receive. | This is a good fucking post. I love Tesla but the inclusion of an arbitration clause is such a horrible shitty unconstitutional (untested) move. I encourage everyone to opt out. | uhh... pinging u dieabetic do you second this motion? | 52 | 11 | 2,706 |
8vyz16 | 305 | Regardless of the NaySayers Just Realised What My Nephew Has On His Bedroom Wall Makes Tesla s Sustainable Growth a No Brainer. He is 15 and has grown up in a large family of traditional PetrolHeads and a couple of months back I spotted a new poster on his wall replacing his one of the Lamborghini Aventador S Roadster He has a few others but I thought the Lambo was his favourite because it had pride of place. It s been replaced with a full-size poster of T s 2020 Red Roadster that he brought down at our local shopping district. So I ask Why? He replies It s still a roadster Uncle Bill Just way Kooler then proceeds to babble on for what seemed forever about the specs and Starman and the X and S and how some of his friend s parents are getting a 3 and on and on and on lol. So I ask How do you know so much about Tesla Cars? He replies All my mates are into them as well since Starman took off on the Heavy .... and then proceeds to explain to me what the Heavy is on and on and on ..even though I said at the start It s ok I know ... but just in case I didn t he kept going :-} There s no way at 15 I would have had an Electric car poster on my wall lol... So I think the Tesla of the future is going to work out just fine. | I had a friends 10 year old son beg his dad to come to my house to look at the Powerwall. That s right. A white box with Tesla written on it. That s the level of mindshare that Tesla has | Thanks Billy ... this is warming up my heart ! | 129 | 5 | 2,707 |
8vyz16 | 305 | Regardless of the NaySayers Just Realised What My Nephew Has On His Bedroom Wall Makes Tesla s Sustainable Growth a No Brainer. He is 15 and has grown up in a large family of traditional PetrolHeads and a couple of months back I spotted a new poster on his wall replacing his one of the Lamborghini Aventador S Roadster He has a few others but I thought the Lambo was his favourite because it had pride of place. It s been replaced with a full-size poster of T s 2020 Red Roadster that he brought down at our local shopping district. So I ask Why? He replies It s still a roadster Uncle Bill Just way Kooler then proceeds to babble on for what seemed forever about the specs and Starman and the X and S and how some of his friend s parents are getting a 3 and on and on and on lol. So I ask How do you know so much about Tesla Cars? He replies All my mates are into them as well since Starman took off on the Heavy .... and then proceeds to explain to me what the Heavy is on and on and on ..even though I said at the start It s ok I know ... but just in case I didn t he kept going :-} There s no way at 15 I would have had an Electric car poster on my wall lol... So I think the Tesla of the future is going to work out just fine. | I had a friends 10 year old son beg his dad to come to my house to look at the Powerwall. That s right. A white box with Tesla written on it. That s the level of mindshare that Tesla has | So true about kids! ICE: Old and busted. Tesla: The new hotness. | 129 | 11 | 2,708 |
8vyz16 | 305 | Regardless of the NaySayers Just Realised What My Nephew Has On His Bedroom Wall Makes Tesla s Sustainable Growth a No Brainer. He is 15 and has grown up in a large family of traditional PetrolHeads and a couple of months back I spotted a new poster on his wall replacing his one of the Lamborghini Aventador S Roadster He has a few others but I thought the Lambo was his favourite because it had pride of place. It s been replaced with a full-size poster of T s 2020 Red Roadster that he brought down at our local shopping district. So I ask Why? He replies It s still a roadster Uncle Bill Just way Kooler then proceeds to babble on for what seemed forever about the specs and Starman and the X and S and how some of his friend s parents are getting a 3 and on and on and on lol. So I ask How do you know so much about Tesla Cars? He replies All my mates are into them as well since Starman took off on the Heavy .... and then proceeds to explain to me what the Heavy is on and on and on ..even though I said at the start It s ok I know ... but just in case I didn t he kept going :-} There s no way at 15 I would have had an Electric car poster on my wall lol... So I think the Tesla of the future is going to work out just fine. | I had a friends 10 year old son beg his dad to come to my house to look at the Powerwall. That s right. A white box with Tesla written on it. That s the level of mindshare that Tesla has | My parents know about tesla thanks to the falcon heavy and they aren t really interested in cars | 129 | 22 | 2,709 |
8w4zd1 | 89 | Day 2: M3 bricked - updating to 2018.24.1(12db099) Yesterday (July 3) a buddy of mine took delivery of his Model 3. * The July 3rd delivery experience was ok. Literally under 10 min. Sign the paperwork. Barely any instruction then get on the road. * Ride home uneventful: His ride was around 5 miles and then he parked for the night with about 65& #37 charge (and left it charging to 80& #37 max). * In the morning July 4th he received an update notice on his phone. He went to the car (now full at 80& #37 ) and initiated the update. About an hour later he received a notice the updated failed. He went to his garage to attempt to hopefully restart the update on his own. * This was the result: (picture) https: i.redd.it 9qw8ku3zvz711.jpg * He noticed that his app now had the summon menu active when it didn t before. (In other words it attempted to update to 2018.24.1 and apparently got as far as the app thinking it was successful) https: i.redd.it ej38jb71wz711.png * Tech support call #1: The support person said the ”wrong update was sent to the car (and was cancelled?)”. He doesn t remember the exact phrasing but it it was similar to that. They had him do a few a few things in the UI the call got transferred and then it was dropped. * Tech support call #2: The new tech had him do a hard reset (via the hold down the scroll-wheel method not the power off menu item which was greyed out). After the car booted up the same errors as before where on the console. * Towing necessary: The tech then informed him that the car needed service. Because it was 4th of July Tesla s service center was closed (and the Enterprise car rentals were closed except for at the airport) so he would pretty much be car-less today. (They did offer him to reimburse him up to $50 a day if he chose to rent from the airport Enterprise.) * Towing experience: Because the UI was in a borked up state my friend was not able to put the car into “tow mode” (option also greyed out). The tow operator had to hammer wooden skids wedges under his back tires to get his car onto the rig. * The plan: Guess they re going to have to reflash the sw on there to make the car drivable again. There were some other mostly minor aesthetic issues discovered and hopefully they can fix that at the same time. Does this experience mirror anyone else s? Is this why 2018.24.1 appears to have been suspended on the M3? Anyone have any insights (besides the that sucks man variety?) Aside: He also managed to get off a single bluetooth phone call before calls were no longer possible (though BT kept a connection). This is likely a separate issue and could have been the phone but others have experienced similar stuff. iOS FWIW. **Update July 5**: Early this morning (July 5th) he spoke w Tesla who said they got the car running again (had to do something on their end) and sent him a Lyft while they re-applied the update. But on the way to the service center he received this notification: https: i.redd.it bvia6dd9d6811.png When he gets there they have no explanation for what s going on and will need at least another day. He ll get the rundown once it s solved. For now he has a loaner S and his app looks like this so no more snooping while it s being looked at: https: i.redd.it xafmtcpad6811.png To those who said that this shouldn t happen-- you re right it shouldn t. I m pretty sure Tesla does do a b updates (as Android does see a description here: https: source.android.com devices tech ota ab ) as well as dm-verity (see Android explanation here: https: source.android.com security verifiedboot ) which I believe uses a merkle tree-like (https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Merkle\\_tree) verification system to be sure an update is complete and unmodified before booting. Assuming this is the case my guess is this must be some kind of hardware issue perhaps with the storage media (emmc). But stay tuned when I learn more I ll post an update. PS-- I ve been reading some of the shorts exploiting this story on twitter ( he s 5376 on the service line etc.). For the record- no this is being taken care of quickly. | That s a real shame if the update process doesn t take a snapshot that it can revert to if something fails. I would have expected that to just be a no brainer to implement. | Man I ve Been seeing a lot of issues with this update. | 68 | 5 | 2,710 |
8w4zd1 | 89 | Day 2: M3 bricked - updating to 2018.24.1(12db099) Yesterday (July 3) a buddy of mine took delivery of his Model 3. * The July 3rd delivery experience was ok. Literally under 10 min. Sign the paperwork. Barely any instruction then get on the road. * Ride home uneventful: His ride was around 5 miles and then he parked for the night with about 65& #37 charge (and left it charging to 80& #37 max). * In the morning July 4th he received an update notice on his phone. He went to the car (now full at 80& #37 ) and initiated the update. About an hour later he received a notice the updated failed. He went to his garage to attempt to hopefully restart the update on his own. * This was the result: (picture) https: i.redd.it 9qw8ku3zvz711.jpg * He noticed that his app now had the summon menu active when it didn t before. (In other words it attempted to update to 2018.24.1 and apparently got as far as the app thinking it was successful) https: i.redd.it ej38jb71wz711.png * Tech support call #1: The support person said the ”wrong update was sent to the car (and was cancelled?)”. He doesn t remember the exact phrasing but it it was similar to that. They had him do a few a few things in the UI the call got transferred and then it was dropped. * Tech support call #2: The new tech had him do a hard reset (via the hold down the scroll-wheel method not the power off menu item which was greyed out). After the car booted up the same errors as before where on the console. * Towing necessary: The tech then informed him that the car needed service. Because it was 4th of July Tesla s service center was closed (and the Enterprise car rentals were closed except for at the airport) so he would pretty much be car-less today. (They did offer him to reimburse him up to $50 a day if he chose to rent from the airport Enterprise.) * Towing experience: Because the UI was in a borked up state my friend was not able to put the car into “tow mode” (option also greyed out). The tow operator had to hammer wooden skids wedges under his back tires to get his car onto the rig. * The plan: Guess they re going to have to reflash the sw on there to make the car drivable again. There were some other mostly minor aesthetic issues discovered and hopefully they can fix that at the same time. Does this experience mirror anyone else s? Is this why 2018.24.1 appears to have been suspended on the M3? Anyone have any insights (besides the that sucks man variety?) Aside: He also managed to get off a single bluetooth phone call before calls were no longer possible (though BT kept a connection). This is likely a separate issue and could have been the phone but others have experienced similar stuff. iOS FWIW. **Update July 5**: Early this morning (July 5th) he spoke w Tesla who said they got the car running again (had to do something on their end) and sent him a Lyft while they re-applied the update. But on the way to the service center he received this notification: https: i.redd.it bvia6dd9d6811.png When he gets there they have no explanation for what s going on and will need at least another day. He ll get the rundown once it s solved. For now he has a loaner S and his app looks like this so no more snooping while it s being looked at: https: i.redd.it xafmtcpad6811.png To those who said that this shouldn t happen-- you re right it shouldn t. I m pretty sure Tesla does do a b updates (as Android does see a description here: https: source.android.com devices tech ota ab ) as well as dm-verity (see Android explanation here: https: source.android.com security verifiedboot ) which I believe uses a merkle tree-like (https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Merkle\\_tree) verification system to be sure an update is complete and unmodified before booting. Assuming this is the case my guess is this must be some kind of hardware issue perhaps with the storage media (emmc). But stay tuned when I learn more I ll post an update. PS-- I ve been reading some of the shorts exploiting this story on twitter ( he s 5376 on the service line etc.). For the record- no this is being taken care of quickly. | I m a new MS owner and I find this scenario to be totally unacceptable. A car any car should not become bricked over a software update. It just plain should not be possible. | Is hard reset when you hold down the 2 buttons and press down the brake? | 61 | 2 | 2,711 |
8w4zd1 | 89 | Day 2: M3 bricked - updating to 2018.24.1(12db099) Yesterday (July 3) a buddy of mine took delivery of his Model 3. * The July 3rd delivery experience was ok. Literally under 10 min. Sign the paperwork. Barely any instruction then get on the road. * Ride home uneventful: His ride was around 5 miles and then he parked for the night with about 65& #37 charge (and left it charging to 80& #37 max). * In the morning July 4th he received an update notice on his phone. He went to the car (now full at 80& #37 ) and initiated the update. About an hour later he received a notice the updated failed. He went to his garage to attempt to hopefully restart the update on his own. * This was the result: (picture) https: i.redd.it 9qw8ku3zvz711.jpg * He noticed that his app now had the summon menu active when it didn t before. (In other words it attempted to update to 2018.24.1 and apparently got as far as the app thinking it was successful) https: i.redd.it ej38jb71wz711.png * Tech support call #1: The support person said the ”wrong update was sent to the car (and was cancelled?)”. He doesn t remember the exact phrasing but it it was similar to that. They had him do a few a few things in the UI the call got transferred and then it was dropped. * Tech support call #2: The new tech had him do a hard reset (via the hold down the scroll-wheel method not the power off menu item which was greyed out). After the car booted up the same errors as before where on the console. * Towing necessary: The tech then informed him that the car needed service. Because it was 4th of July Tesla s service center was closed (and the Enterprise car rentals were closed except for at the airport) so he would pretty much be car-less today. (They did offer him to reimburse him up to $50 a day if he chose to rent from the airport Enterprise.) * Towing experience: Because the UI was in a borked up state my friend was not able to put the car into “tow mode” (option also greyed out). The tow operator had to hammer wooden skids wedges under his back tires to get his car onto the rig. * The plan: Guess they re going to have to reflash the sw on there to make the car drivable again. There were some other mostly minor aesthetic issues discovered and hopefully they can fix that at the same time. Does this experience mirror anyone else s? Is this why 2018.24.1 appears to have been suspended on the M3? Anyone have any insights (besides the that sucks man variety?) Aside: He also managed to get off a single bluetooth phone call before calls were no longer possible (though BT kept a connection). This is likely a separate issue and could have been the phone but others have experienced similar stuff. iOS FWIW. **Update July 5**: Early this morning (July 5th) he spoke w Tesla who said they got the car running again (had to do something on their end) and sent him a Lyft while they re-applied the update. But on the way to the service center he received this notification: https: i.redd.it bvia6dd9d6811.png When he gets there they have no explanation for what s going on and will need at least another day. He ll get the rundown once it s solved. For now he has a loaner S and his app looks like this so no more snooping while it s being looked at: https: i.redd.it xafmtcpad6811.png To those who said that this shouldn t happen-- you re right it shouldn t. I m pretty sure Tesla does do a b updates (as Android does see a description here: https: source.android.com devices tech ota ab ) as well as dm-verity (see Android explanation here: https: source.android.com security verifiedboot ) which I believe uses a merkle tree-like (https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Merkle\\_tree) verification system to be sure an update is complete and unmodified before booting. Assuming this is the case my guess is this must be some kind of hardware issue perhaps with the storage media (emmc). But stay tuned when I learn more I ll post an update. PS-- I ve been reading some of the shorts exploiting this story on twitter ( he s 5376 on the service line etc.). For the record- no this is being taken care of quickly. | I m a new MS owner and I find this scenario to be totally unacceptable. A car any car should not become bricked over a software update. It just plain should not be possible. | Man I ve Been seeing a lot of issues with this update. | 61 | 5 | 2,712 |
8wb0ba | 413 | Model 3 Crashed Hey guys! Sad news today. My Model 3 (vin 14###) was wrecked yesterday (happy Fourth everyone!). Here are some pictures video: https: photos.app.goo.gl Sbne4ATVZgD74Hon7 The damage will buff out right?? s Here s what we found out happened after talking to the police for a few minutes: A man carjacked a sedan from a nearby Safeway parking lot and drove off. He sped through an intersection and ran the red light. He *slammed* (and I mean slammed. The horn was stuck on until it died a few minutes later) into a Model S 85 and then swerved into a few more cars. The car then popped up onto two wheels (sideways not front to back) and the bottom of the car slammed into onto mine and lost a wheel. The car finally came to rest off the road on the opposite side of the park way. After checking my passengers I quickly hopped out to see if the crashed car occupants were OK when a man hopped out and started yelling things like I am a man of God I love you all and People are after me please believe me . I started to back away because the guy clearly wasn t in a good place mentally. He proceeded to run (sprint) away from the accident down the road (I have a live motion photo of that pretty odd) and the rest of us (probably around 8 cars in total were stopped) started to talk to each other call 911 and make sure everyone was OK. The car jacker then walked back to the scene and approached my car (the last to be hit the farthest back at the intersection) and my two passengers and I got back into the car and locked the doors. The guy seemed way off and potentially dangerous. He then gets ON TOP of the Model 3 and starts preaching similar stuff as before. I love you all People are after me etc. (I have a video of this glass roofs FTW I guess...). Before I realize what s happening the police are there and drag him off of the roof and drag him into a cop car where he proceeded shout and slam into the door from the inside. I really hope the guy gets the help he needs... Some thoughts: - The Model 3 was a damn champ. Clearly undrivable but all four doors opened (with regular buttons not emergency releases) and the frunk and trunk still opened. No air bags deployed in our car. - The Model 3 didn t seem to indicate that anything was wrong on the display. Maybe if I put it into drive it would have? Seems odd because the car was clearly _very_ messed up. - I didn t receive a call from Tesla after the crash. I know that some times this happens after accidents. Maybe it s because our airbags didn t deploy? - The app still works and seems to think the car is fine. The stats of the car are up to date as far as I can tell but the GPS still says it is at the scene of the accident. Perhaps the GPS unit was broken in the crash? - Everyone was OK I think the driver of the Model S had some scratches. All things considered we got out pretty good with no injuries. - I assume the car is totaled. Any idea if there is a priority reservation owner thing for Model 3 owners? - My Model 3 had ~3 800 miles on it. I m really glad I took it on a few road trips before this happened. What an amazing car. - I guess this is a chance to get an AWD Model 3 if it is totaled. Perhaps the P if I am feeling particularly spendy. :) I m heart broken about the Model 3. The dream car I waited in line for two years ago was amazing. Easily the best 3 800 miles I ve driven. Can t wait to get back in one soon^^tm !. | On the bright side it s clear that man loves all of us. | Wow that sucks. I don t think there is any priority and at this point you can just order. If you are just getting the the same first available (long range PUP) you might not have to wait that long for a new one if it s totalled. Not sure what the threshold is for a totalled car besides its value versus cost to fix? That looks like 15-20k in body damage (unless there is anything mechanically busted). Although might be faster to get a new one than have this one fixed. Good luck. | 154 | 2 | 2,713 |
8wb0ba | 413 | Model 3 Crashed Hey guys! Sad news today. My Model 3 (vin 14###) was wrecked yesterday (happy Fourth everyone!). Here are some pictures video: https: photos.app.goo.gl Sbne4ATVZgD74Hon7 The damage will buff out right?? s Here s what we found out happened after talking to the police for a few minutes: A man carjacked a sedan from a nearby Safeway parking lot and drove off. He sped through an intersection and ran the red light. He *slammed* (and I mean slammed. The horn was stuck on until it died a few minutes later) into a Model S 85 and then swerved into a few more cars. The car then popped up onto two wheels (sideways not front to back) and the bottom of the car slammed into onto mine and lost a wheel. The car finally came to rest off the road on the opposite side of the park way. After checking my passengers I quickly hopped out to see if the crashed car occupants were OK when a man hopped out and started yelling things like I am a man of God I love you all and People are after me please believe me . I started to back away because the guy clearly wasn t in a good place mentally. He proceeded to run (sprint) away from the accident down the road (I have a live motion photo of that pretty odd) and the rest of us (probably around 8 cars in total were stopped) started to talk to each other call 911 and make sure everyone was OK. The car jacker then walked back to the scene and approached my car (the last to be hit the farthest back at the intersection) and my two passengers and I got back into the car and locked the doors. The guy seemed way off and potentially dangerous. He then gets ON TOP of the Model 3 and starts preaching similar stuff as before. I love you all People are after me etc. (I have a video of this glass roofs FTW I guess...). Before I realize what s happening the police are there and drag him off of the roof and drag him into a cop car where he proceeded shout and slam into the door from the inside. I really hope the guy gets the help he needs... Some thoughts: - The Model 3 was a damn champ. Clearly undrivable but all four doors opened (with regular buttons not emergency releases) and the frunk and trunk still opened. No air bags deployed in our car. - The Model 3 didn t seem to indicate that anything was wrong on the display. Maybe if I put it into drive it would have? Seems odd because the car was clearly _very_ messed up. - I didn t receive a call from Tesla after the crash. I know that some times this happens after accidents. Maybe it s because our airbags didn t deploy? - The app still works and seems to think the car is fine. The stats of the car are up to date as far as I can tell but the GPS still says it is at the scene of the accident. Perhaps the GPS unit was broken in the crash? - Everyone was OK I think the driver of the Model S had some scratches. All things considered we got out pretty good with no injuries. - I assume the car is totaled. Any idea if there is a priority reservation owner thing for Model 3 owners? - My Model 3 had ~3 800 miles on it. I m really glad I took it on a few road trips before this happened. What an amazing car. - I guess this is a chance to get an AWD Model 3 if it is totaled. Perhaps the P if I am feeling particularly spendy. :) I m heart broken about the Model 3. The dream car I waited in line for two years ago was amazing. Easily the best 3 800 miles I ve driven. Can t wait to get back in one soon^^tm !. | On the bright side it s clear that man loves all of us. | What are the odds that something like this happens and to TWO Teslas at once?! This is surely a Big Oil conspiracy! s Sorry about your car. Hopefully you end up with a P3 to ease the pain. | 154 | 2 | 2,714 |
8wb0ba | 413 | Model 3 Crashed Hey guys! Sad news today. My Model 3 (vin 14###) was wrecked yesterday (happy Fourth everyone!). Here are some pictures video: https: photos.app.goo.gl Sbne4ATVZgD74Hon7 The damage will buff out right?? s Here s what we found out happened after talking to the police for a few minutes: A man carjacked a sedan from a nearby Safeway parking lot and drove off. He sped through an intersection and ran the red light. He *slammed* (and I mean slammed. The horn was stuck on until it died a few minutes later) into a Model S 85 and then swerved into a few more cars. The car then popped up onto two wheels (sideways not front to back) and the bottom of the car slammed into onto mine and lost a wheel. The car finally came to rest off the road on the opposite side of the park way. After checking my passengers I quickly hopped out to see if the crashed car occupants were OK when a man hopped out and started yelling things like I am a man of God I love you all and People are after me please believe me . I started to back away because the guy clearly wasn t in a good place mentally. He proceeded to run (sprint) away from the accident down the road (I have a live motion photo of that pretty odd) and the rest of us (probably around 8 cars in total were stopped) started to talk to each other call 911 and make sure everyone was OK. The car jacker then walked back to the scene and approached my car (the last to be hit the farthest back at the intersection) and my two passengers and I got back into the car and locked the doors. The guy seemed way off and potentially dangerous. He then gets ON TOP of the Model 3 and starts preaching similar stuff as before. I love you all People are after me etc. (I have a video of this glass roofs FTW I guess...). Before I realize what s happening the police are there and drag him off of the roof and drag him into a cop car where he proceeded shout and slam into the door from the inside. I really hope the guy gets the help he needs... Some thoughts: - The Model 3 was a damn champ. Clearly undrivable but all four doors opened (with regular buttons not emergency releases) and the frunk and trunk still opened. No air bags deployed in our car. - The Model 3 didn t seem to indicate that anything was wrong on the display. Maybe if I put it into drive it would have? Seems odd because the car was clearly _very_ messed up. - I didn t receive a call from Tesla after the crash. I know that some times this happens after accidents. Maybe it s because our airbags didn t deploy? - The app still works and seems to think the car is fine. The stats of the car are up to date as far as I can tell but the GPS still says it is at the scene of the accident. Perhaps the GPS unit was broken in the crash? - Everyone was OK I think the driver of the Model S had some scratches. All things considered we got out pretty good with no injuries. - I assume the car is totaled. Any idea if there is a priority reservation owner thing for Model 3 owners? - My Model 3 had ~3 800 miles on it. I m really glad I took it on a few road trips before this happened. What an amazing car. - I guess this is a chance to get an AWD Model 3 if it is totaled. Perhaps the P if I am feeling particularly spendy. :) I m heart broken about the Model 3. The dream car I waited in line for two years ago was amazing. Easily the best 3 800 miles I ve driven. Can t wait to get back in one soon^^tm !. | On the bright side it s clear that man loves all of us. | Model 3 with air bags deployed: https: boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com 2018 05 model-3-accident-crash.jpg?quality=98& strip=all& w=782 and another http: www.autotribute.com 47755 occupants-unharmed-brutal-tesla-model-3-crash | 154 | 2 | 2,715 |
8wh4so | 78 | Tesla Rep just told me 610 000 Model 3 reservations as of today As per the title a Tesla Rep from Australia (Aussie checking in) just rang to discuss and offer me a Model S or X test drive. I politely declined as I have already test driven twice and have a day 1 Model 3 Reservation but didn t mention I had a res. His response was that I should be careful as they currently have 610 000 Model 3 Reservations and I would be waiting quite a while if I reserve now. Thought this might interest someone. Certainly seems new to me. Is this semi confirmed reservation numbers or available elsewhere and I just missed it? | From Tesla s [Q2 2018 Vehicle Production and Deliveries press release](http: ir.tesla.com news-releases news-release-details tesla-q2-2018-vehicle-production-and-deliveries): > The remaining net Model 3 reservations count at the end of Q2 still stood at roughly 420 000 | Tbh that sounds a little high especially considering they ve already made 50k-ish but if those numbers are real it would be good for the company moving forward | 30 | 3 | 2,716 |
8wh4so | 78 | Tesla Rep just told me 610 000 Model 3 reservations as of today As per the title a Tesla Rep from Australia (Aussie checking in) just rang to discuss and offer me a Model S or X test drive. I politely declined as I have already test driven twice and have a day 1 Model 3 Reservation but didn t mention I had a res. His response was that I should be careful as they currently have 610 000 Model 3 Reservations and I would be waiting quite a while if I reserve now. Thought this might interest someone. Certainly seems new to me. Is this semi confirmed reservation numbers or available elsewhere and I just missed it? | Unless 190k people have put down deposits within the last couple of days the reservation count stands at 420k as of Q2. | Tbh that sounds a little high especially considering they ve already made 50k-ish but if those numbers are real it would be good for the company moving forward | 29 | 3 | 2,717 |
8wji2y | 38 | Model 3 Location Privacy: Vindicated When I posed a question a little over a week ago asking about location privacy with the Model 3 [location privacy](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8u2p9w model_3_location_privacy ?st=JJ9X6K94& sh=9ab745f2) I got a lot of comments about how suspicious it was to not want to share that information with ones significant other. I m just here to say that my wife after opening the Tesla app while I was driving and realizing she had precise real-time access to my whereabouts at all times called me to ask if the feature could be disabled. She feels like I deserve a bit of privacy and she doesn t want the temptation of having that much access to my every move. I just wanted to share that for all the couples who own a Model 3 and may deal with this situation which some may find awkward. I m still hoping that Tesla will send an OTA update to add an option for location privacy. | Interesting.. Our extended family is the opposite we all run Apple products and all have Find Friends turned on sharing with one another. Myself my wife her brother his wife my mother all know where each other is at all times and none of us care. | I think the car should have limits. Just like my iPhone. If I want to share with you I will or I won t. Just find a way to suppress that Tesla in the cloud no ota needed. | 64 | 9 | 2,718 |
8wji2y | 38 | Model 3 Location Privacy: Vindicated When I posed a question a little over a week ago asking about location privacy with the Model 3 [location privacy](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8u2p9w model_3_location_privacy ?st=JJ9X6K94& sh=9ab745f2) I got a lot of comments about how suspicious it was to not want to share that information with ones significant other. I m just here to say that my wife after opening the Tesla app while I was driving and realizing she had precise real-time access to my whereabouts at all times called me to ask if the feature could be disabled. She feels like I deserve a bit of privacy and she doesn t want the temptation of having that much access to my every move. I just wanted to share that for all the couples who own a Model 3 and may deal with this situation which some may find awkward. I m still hoping that Tesla will send an OTA update to add an option for location privacy. | Interesting.. Our extended family is the opposite we all run Apple products and all have Find Friends turned on sharing with one another. Myself my wife her brother his wife my mother all know where each other is at all times and none of us care. | My thoughts on the matter haven t changed no matter what your wife thinks. | 64 | 15 | 2,719 |
8wmjg7 | 76 | Fremont Factory Scrap Yard https: m.imgur.com a obHTsHp I was looking at the factory on Google Earth and I thought it was cool to see the cars that are scrapped. The red cars are the crash test cars and there are a few Model X shells as well. | Waiting for the BI article citing that pic as evidence of $1B in scrap | Whoa cool find thanks for sharing | 72 | 4 | 2,720 |
8wmjg7 | 76 | Fremont Factory Scrap Yard https: m.imgur.com a obHTsHp I was looking at the factory on Google Earth and I thought it was cool to see the cars that are scrapped. The red cars are the crash test cars and there are a few Model X shells as well. | Waiting for the BI article citing that pic as evidence of $1B in scrap | Odd that so many are ‘premium ‘ paint colors. That is assuming the white aren t just primer. | 72 | 8 | 2,721 |
8wmjg7 | 76 | Fremont Factory Scrap Yard https: m.imgur.com a obHTsHp I was looking at the factory on Google Earth and I thought it was cool to see the cars that are scrapped. The red cars are the crash test cars and there are a few Model X shells as well. | Waiting for the BI article citing that pic as evidence of $1B in scrap | It s much fuller now: https: youtu.be oQ2oXD9DW2Q?t=1m45s | 72 | 13 | 2,722 |
8wo3wh | 203 | My 2 hour 30 mile review Can t stop smiling. Got home and just sat in my car for an hour listening to music and blasting the AC on this ridiculous 110 degree day. Can t wait to sit in my hour and half commute next Monday! [obligatory baby post (+ child)](https: i.imgur.com 7nf32yl.jpg) | Did you take delivery in Costa Mesa? I believe our cars were parked in the exact same delivery spot (you turn right after you enter from the show room and turn right again around the corner). I took delivery on Tuesday | You re a little weird but I dig it. | 52 | 2 | 2,723 |
8wo3wh | 203 | My 2 hour 30 mile review Can t stop smiling. Got home and just sat in my car for an hour listening to music and blasting the AC on this ridiculous 110 degree day. Can t wait to sit in my hour and half commute next Monday! [obligatory baby post (+ child)](https: i.imgur.com 7nf32yl.jpg) | Did you take delivery in Costa Mesa? I believe our cars were parked in the exact same delivery spot (you turn right after you enter from the show room and turn right again around the corner). I took delivery on Tuesday | Sounds like pure joy! | 52 | 2 | 2,724 |
8wo3wh | 203 | My 2 hour 30 mile review Can t stop smiling. Got home and just sat in my car for an hour listening to music and blasting the AC on this ridiculous 110 degree day. Can t wait to sit in my hour and half commute next Monday! [obligatory baby post (+ child)](https: i.imgur.com 7nf32yl.jpg) | Did you take delivery in Costa Mesa? I believe our cars were parked in the exact same delivery spot (you turn right after you enter from the show room and turn right again around the corner). I took delivery on Tuesday | Definitely Amazing experience imo. Never wanted to go out and drive places before our tm3 now I ll make up excuses to leave. | 52 | 4 | 2,725 |
8woyxl | 51 | My Model S has extreme battery drain. Am I crazy? 2016 Model S owner here. For the past few months my battery s been draining about 100% more than the miles I m actually driving. So if I drive 10 miles the battery will be down 20 miles+ by the time I get home. Sometimes it s even more off by up to 3 times as much. This is regular non-crazy 45 mph city driving in a mild warm climate and I m not preconditioning the car or leaving the AC on. My dash screen says I m averaging 400 wh mi but when I start driving it it usually spikes up to 800 or 1 000 wh mi. I ve called Tesla twice and they said everything looked normal. But I ve owned this car for 2 years and it s definitely not normal. I can t get an explanation out of Tesla so I was hoping the community could help me out! | I wonder if a brake caliper is partially seized. After a drive at highway speeds check each wheel and see if any feel warmer than the others that might help identify if any brakes are dragging. | That is very weird. I would go in and show them this. Make sure you take them for a drive and show them that it spikes to 1k. If you go in they will help you. | 41 | 2 | 2,726 |
8woyxl | 51 | My Model S has extreme battery drain. Am I crazy? 2016 Model S owner here. For the past few months my battery s been draining about 100% more than the miles I m actually driving. So if I drive 10 miles the battery will be down 20 miles+ by the time I get home. Sometimes it s even more off by up to 3 times as much. This is regular non-crazy 45 mph city driving in a mild warm climate and I m not preconditioning the car or leaving the AC on. My dash screen says I m averaging 400 wh mi but when I start driving it it usually spikes up to 800 or 1 000 wh mi. I ve called Tesla twice and they said everything looked normal. But I ve owned this car for 2 years and it s definitely not normal. I can t get an explanation out of Tesla so I was hoping the community could help me out! | I wonder if a brake caliper is partially seized. After a drive at highway speeds check each wheel and see if any feel warmer than the others that might help identify if any brakes are dragging. | Mine does something similar but different. I could drive 10 miles and use 15 miles of range but my wh mi is only like 270.... so basically 4 miles of range just disappear. | 41 | 2 | 2,727 |
8woyxl | 51 | My Model S has extreme battery drain. Am I crazy? 2016 Model S owner here. For the past few months my battery s been draining about 100% more than the miles I m actually driving. So if I drive 10 miles the battery will be down 20 miles+ by the time I get home. Sometimes it s even more off by up to 3 times as much. This is regular non-crazy 45 mph city driving in a mild warm climate and I m not preconditioning the car or leaving the AC on. My dash screen says I m averaging 400 wh mi but when I start driving it it usually spikes up to 800 or 1 000 wh mi. I ve called Tesla twice and they said everything looked normal. But I ve owned this car for 2 years and it s definitely not normal. I can t get an explanation out of Tesla so I was hoping the community could help me out! | I wonder if a brake caliper is partially seized. After a drive at highway speeds check each wheel and see if any feel warmer than the others that might help identify if any brakes are dragging. | Mine spikes to over 1K on a hot day when I first start out but then settles to around 400 after driving for a few minutes. | 41 | 4 | 2,728 |
8wu8eq | 155 | Feeling the Parts Pain My Model 3 has been amazing for the 30 days I ve had it. 1400 miles in and it s clear the Model 3 is the car to set the bar for every other sedan moving forward. But... A rock chipped my windshield which in the summer heat turned into a foot long crack within an hour. Called up Tesla and they don t have windshields in stock it has to be ordered. Any other vehicle I could get my windshield replaced the same day. On top of that any other vehicle a new windshield would be ~$350. The Model 3 is going to be a ~2-3 week wait and cost $1500-$1600. The cost is a problem of course but the uncertainty around repair timing is the bigger issue. A windshield is a simple third party common replacement part. And in hot climates the need to replace them is fairly urgent because a chip turns into a huge crack pretty quick. And in my case the crack in moving from the passenger side right towards the middle of the drivers side pretty quickly. This is something Tesla should have in stock. **EDIT:** Tried the clear coat trick to attempt to stop the crack from expanding. Let it dry for a couple hours. Wife took the car the the grocery store about 1 4 mile away. The foot long crack is now a 3.5 ft crack getting ready to cross at eye level in front of the driver seat. Gonna be a paper weight for a while. | I keep saying that this is what might do Tesla in. It doesn t matter how amazing the cars are if you cannot drive it because it is awaiting parts. I drove my model 3 for all of 3 days or so before it had to go in for service. I have been waiting for a part for a month now and it is still not in. Meanwhile the car is sitting there. Once automakers get their act together and close the EV gap Tesla will have a tough time getting away with this kind of issues | Makes me wish I had the wherewithal to start a 3rd party Tesla parts business. Maybe specialize in fixing the quality issues we have been seeing. | 38 | 5 | 2,729 |
8wx6wn | 53 | [Discussion] How many of you ordered FSD with your Model 3? And what made you add it now other than the price difference to add later? | I didn t. On principle I refuse to pay for something that doesn t exist. | I did because of fear of missing out. Including taxes interest and loss of using the money for investment I estimate it will actually cost me 3.7k. But in the end it only raises my monthly payment by $50. I dont want to get 3 years into owning the car and have Tesla come out with a must have FSD feature as I m about to put a 50k down payment on a house and have to worry about reducing that vs buying FSD. To be fair though I also configured a fully loaded perf m3 so for me it was 76k to 79k. So was much easier than 35k to 38k if you were buying base | 65 | 3 | 2,730 |
8wx6wn | 53 | [Discussion] How many of you ordered FSD with your Model 3? And what made you add it now other than the price difference to add later? | I didn t. On principle I refuse to pay for something that doesn t exist. | I haven t yet placed my order (will do so in the next couple of days) but I do not plan to purchase the FSD initially. And I dearly want this capability. While I trust that Tesla will be able to get the hardware software where needed in a year or so (if not already there) I believe that it will be stuck in regulation hell for quite some time. | 65 | 3 | 2,731 |
8wx6wn | 53 | [Discussion] How many of you ordered FSD with your Model 3? And what made you add it now other than the price difference to add later? | I didn t. On principle I refuse to pay for something that doesn t exist. | I did not. I may consider it once it gets thru all the government approvals but I just had concerns how long that could take. | 65 | 4 | 2,732 |
8x053d | 22 | Chinese Gigafactory theory... they ll take over Model S production while Fremont builds the Y and or pickup A very common cost-reduction tactic in car manufacturing is to take old model production and move the entire factory overseas. When the 90s era Buick Regal was retired it became a brand new model in China. They just packed up the entire assembly line and moved it. Same goes for old Nissans that go to Mexico or China to continue production or old Toyota models that would up being produced in Thailand. Fremont has reached its capacity and though new buildings are planned space is still a constraint. The GigaFactory in Nevada is only about 1 3rd of its intended final footprint but the scope of production there has already expanded to include products never initially intended. The gigafactory could expand to its full originally intended size strictly making batteries and it still might be too small (hence the plans for additional gigafactories.) We know it s very difficult to launch an entirely new vehicle production line but maybe they don t have to. I think it would be easy to do a simple refresh of the X or S line and move the entire operation to China. This would allow production volumes to increase without the pain of trying to ramp two additional models. European and North American buyers may not be interested in a ten year old design built in China but the Chinese market alone could likely absorb as many cars as they could produce. Battery prices continue to fall labor costs would be lower (though that s only a small part of a line with that much automation ) there would be no import taxes and the need to recover massive R& D would be diminished due to it being an outdated model. [Teslas cost 50% more in China](https: www.barrons.com articles why-teslas-cars-cost-50-more-in-china-1492193073) so right there buyers could save a ton. Thoughts? | Elon has already said they will not be doing this. The China GF will be used to make cars for that region and that is it. The US factories will make them for that region and the Europe GF will make them for Europe. Shipping cars around the world is expensive and they want to get away from it. | We are only guessing but my guesses are different. They will build the Model Y Semi Pickup and Roadster at the Nevada GF. If they want to go above 10k Model 3s per week they may build some at Nevada GF with those lines later being converted to Model Y. Chinese GF will be after Model Y production has ramped. Not sure about moving Model S production... I am wondering if we will get more information in the next earnings call. It would be good to get some questions focused on the longer term plans. .. | 35 | 2 | 2,733 |
8x053d | 22 | Chinese Gigafactory theory... they ll take over Model S production while Fremont builds the Y and or pickup A very common cost-reduction tactic in car manufacturing is to take old model production and move the entire factory overseas. When the 90s era Buick Regal was retired it became a brand new model in China. They just packed up the entire assembly line and moved it. Same goes for old Nissans that go to Mexico or China to continue production or old Toyota models that would up being produced in Thailand. Fremont has reached its capacity and though new buildings are planned space is still a constraint. The GigaFactory in Nevada is only about 1 3rd of its intended final footprint but the scope of production there has already expanded to include products never initially intended. The gigafactory could expand to its full originally intended size strictly making batteries and it still might be too small (hence the plans for additional gigafactories.) We know it s very difficult to launch an entirely new vehicle production line but maybe they don t have to. I think it would be easy to do a simple refresh of the X or S line and move the entire operation to China. This would allow production volumes to increase without the pain of trying to ramp two additional models. European and North American buyers may not be interested in a ten year old design built in China but the Chinese market alone could likely absorb as many cars as they could produce. Battery prices continue to fall labor costs would be lower (though that s only a small part of a line with that much automation ) there would be no import taxes and the need to recover massive R& D would be diminished due to it being an outdated model. [Teslas cost 50% more in China](https: www.barrons.com articles why-teslas-cars-cost-50-more-in-china-1492193073) so right there buyers could save a ton. Thoughts? | Elon has already said they will not be doing this. The China GF will be used to make cars for that region and that is it. The US factories will make them for that region and the Europe GF will make them for Europe. Shipping cars around the world is expensive and they want to get away from it. | I thought the whole point was to make them on the same continent where they are being distributed to? If so why would they split the models in such a way that they would then need to continually ship thousands in both directions across the Pacific? | 35 | 3 | 2,734 |
8x053d | 22 | Chinese Gigafactory theory... they ll take over Model S production while Fremont builds the Y and or pickup A very common cost-reduction tactic in car manufacturing is to take old model production and move the entire factory overseas. When the 90s era Buick Regal was retired it became a brand new model in China. They just packed up the entire assembly line and moved it. Same goes for old Nissans that go to Mexico or China to continue production or old Toyota models that would up being produced in Thailand. Fremont has reached its capacity and though new buildings are planned space is still a constraint. The GigaFactory in Nevada is only about 1 3rd of its intended final footprint but the scope of production there has already expanded to include products never initially intended. The gigafactory could expand to its full originally intended size strictly making batteries and it still might be too small (hence the plans for additional gigafactories.) We know it s very difficult to launch an entirely new vehicle production line but maybe they don t have to. I think it would be easy to do a simple refresh of the X or S line and move the entire operation to China. This would allow production volumes to increase without the pain of trying to ramp two additional models. European and North American buyers may not be interested in a ten year old design built in China but the Chinese market alone could likely absorb as many cars as they could produce. Battery prices continue to fall labor costs would be lower (though that s only a small part of a line with that much automation ) there would be no import taxes and the need to recover massive R& D would be diminished due to it being an outdated model. [Teslas cost 50% more in China](https: www.barrons.com articles why-teslas-cars-cost-50-more-in-china-1492193073) so right there buyers could save a ton. Thoughts? | Elon has already said they will not be doing this. The China GF will be used to make cars for that region and that is it. The US factories will make them for that region and the Europe GF will make them for Europe. Shipping cars around the world is expensive and they want to get away from it. | It really depend when the Chinese factory will be open. I think it will be focused on TM3 TMY (should be the same base) and the Semi (for the Belt and Road initiative https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Belt_and_Road_Initiative ). S and X will be made there too of course but may be not the priority. | 35 | 5 | 2,735 |
8x321t | 580 | Feature Request: Aim AC vents down toward hot seat bottoms during remote AC enable and cabin overheat protection The one surface which has been burning passengers every time I get in the car is the bottom seat cushion on the Model 3 which gets very very hot in the Florida sun from light through the windshield. Seat back is none issue as heavy tint on roof glass blocks most of the heat. Tested just putting AC on and directing vents down and center for 3 minutes and seat bottoms are cool to the touch. Would be great if this was the default position until someone enters car profile is selected. | Very cool idea! No really no pun intended... The wonderful part of this idea is that it s easy to change the software to do this. Just a matter of the team getting enough time to get to it. Of course it doesn t work if you have manually operated vents. Sssshhhh don t tell the shorts. | Hey! One AC feature request at a time alright? JK great idea. | 64 | 13 | 2,736 |
8x321t | 580 | Feature Request: Aim AC vents down toward hot seat bottoms during remote AC enable and cabin overheat protection The one surface which has been burning passengers every time I get in the car is the bottom seat cushion on the Model 3 which gets very very hot in the Florida sun from light through the windshield. Seat back is none issue as heavy tint on roof glass blocks most of the heat. Tested just putting AC on and directing vents down and center for 3 minutes and seat bottoms are cool to the touch. Would be great if this was the default position until someone enters car profile is selected. | Very cool idea! No really no pun intended... The wonderful part of this idea is that it s easy to change the software to do this. Just a matter of the team getting enough time to get to it. Of course it doesn t work if you have manually operated vents. Sssshhhh don t tell the shorts. | That s an amazing idea | 64 | 14 | 2,737 |
8x7ktd | 153 | Just picked up Model 3 feelings about it being a great car tempered by delivery experience and some quality issues. UPDATE WITH LINKS TO PHOTOS] Just picked up Tesla Model 3 (Silver) from Fremont Delivery Center. The car is incredible great acceleration and handling with no significant compromise to driver or passenger comfort. Touchscreen is fairly intuitive and a fairly incredible execution of Tesla s vision of technology simplifying driver controls. But unfortunately I ve had some issues with the car. I m sharing my experience to see if others have had these issues. 1. The car was flat out dirty. The interior was just layered in brown dirt and dust. It was clear nobody bothered to detail the car. There was a buildup of brown sandy dirt around the exterior black trim and the nooks and crannies of the interior panels (particularly frunk and trunk). I was told that Tesla finished building our car on June 21 but it seemed like a sandstorm whipped through very specific parts of the car. I didn t point this out to the adviser because It seemed petty at the time didn t seem worth the additional wait to detail and I didn t know the full extent of the buildup until I got home. 2. The car had a small paint chip which I pointed out to the adviser. After the team touched up the paint leaving it looking worse than it was before and thought I d be happy with that I told them that was unsatisfactory but told them I didn t expect them to take care of the problem there and that I d bring it in to a service center for a real fix. 3. The rear passenger door trim was bubbling at two corners. The advisor told me that it was “ok” that some cars have that problem and that s how it should be. I pointed out that there was no way Tesla designed the trim to bubble and the fact it occurs in some but not all cars proves it s a problem. Again I told him I d take it in to the service center. 4. After washing the car I found the same trim separating between the driver and passenger side door. 5. The touchscreen has what I would describe as fairly obvious dotted pixelation that goes vertically there are about 7-8 of these lines in varying lengths and are most obvious against a white background. Again great car but my feelings are tempered by these QC issues. How they thought it would be ok to let the paint chip go through with simple touch up let alone a dirty dusty car is beyond me. Anybody else deal with these issues? [Edit 1: formatting spelling]. Additonal comments: 1. Many have questioned why I and other M3 owners accepted delivery of the M3 with these flaws. A. These flaws are not deal breakers [i.e. flat out reject and walk away from the delivery center]. Based on what I ve read from forums and REDDIT Tesla will get it fixed. I should clarify that I didn t expect the techs at the delivery center to properly repaint the door. I pointed out to the ISA that there appeared to be a chip but if it wasn t they should remedy it. I remember telling her that if it was a chip I couldn t imagine what they could do today to fix it. B. Turning down the M3 at the delivery center could create more problems. We are currently a one car family and have been for about 15 months. It s been tolerable but with our kids growing and having different interests it would have been difficult to continue with just one car. How long will I have to wait for the next one? Who is to say that the next one won t suffer from these or other problems? Again my expectations are reasonable. I can sympathize with there being growing pains. This is why I was polite but very firm. UPDATE: LINK TO PHOTOS https: imgur.com a JOwFPrl | I had the same issue with the touchscreen you have to remove the factory screen protector then the screens looks much better! | My Model S had a chip a clear drip and was heavily scratched everywhere. They took care of it and did an incredible job but it shouldn t have been an issue to begin with. QC is definitely one of Tesla s major faults. | 108 | 40 | 2,738 |
8x7ktd | 153 | Just picked up Model 3 feelings about it being a great car tempered by delivery experience and some quality issues. UPDATE WITH LINKS TO PHOTOS] Just picked up Tesla Model 3 (Silver) from Fremont Delivery Center. The car is incredible great acceleration and handling with no significant compromise to driver or passenger comfort. Touchscreen is fairly intuitive and a fairly incredible execution of Tesla s vision of technology simplifying driver controls. But unfortunately I ve had some issues with the car. I m sharing my experience to see if others have had these issues. 1. The car was flat out dirty. The interior was just layered in brown dirt and dust. It was clear nobody bothered to detail the car. There was a buildup of brown sandy dirt around the exterior black trim and the nooks and crannies of the interior panels (particularly frunk and trunk). I was told that Tesla finished building our car on June 21 but it seemed like a sandstorm whipped through very specific parts of the car. I didn t point this out to the adviser because It seemed petty at the time didn t seem worth the additional wait to detail and I didn t know the full extent of the buildup until I got home. 2. The car had a small paint chip which I pointed out to the adviser. After the team touched up the paint leaving it looking worse than it was before and thought I d be happy with that I told them that was unsatisfactory but told them I didn t expect them to take care of the problem there and that I d bring it in to a service center for a real fix. 3. The rear passenger door trim was bubbling at two corners. The advisor told me that it was “ok” that some cars have that problem and that s how it should be. I pointed out that there was no way Tesla designed the trim to bubble and the fact it occurs in some but not all cars proves it s a problem. Again I told him I d take it in to the service center. 4. After washing the car I found the same trim separating between the driver and passenger side door. 5. The touchscreen has what I would describe as fairly obvious dotted pixelation that goes vertically there are about 7-8 of these lines in varying lengths and are most obvious against a white background. Again great car but my feelings are tempered by these QC issues. How they thought it would be ok to let the paint chip go through with simple touch up let alone a dirty dusty car is beyond me. Anybody else deal with these issues? [Edit 1: formatting spelling]. Additonal comments: 1. Many have questioned why I and other M3 owners accepted delivery of the M3 with these flaws. A. These flaws are not deal breakers [i.e. flat out reject and walk away from the delivery center]. Based on what I ve read from forums and REDDIT Tesla will get it fixed. I should clarify that I didn t expect the techs at the delivery center to properly repaint the door. I pointed out to the ISA that there appeared to be a chip but if it wasn t they should remedy it. I remember telling her that if it was a chip I couldn t imagine what they could do today to fix it. B. Turning down the M3 at the delivery center could create more problems. We are currently a one car family and have been for about 15 months. It s been tolerable but with our kids growing and having different interests it would have been difficult to continue with just one car. How long will I have to wait for the next one? Who is to say that the next one won t suffer from these or other problems? Again my expectations are reasonable. I can sympathize with there being growing pains. This is why I was polite but very firm. UPDATE: LINK TO PHOTOS https: imgur.com a JOwFPrl | I had the same issue with the touchscreen you have to remove the factory screen protector then the screens looks much better! | Do you mind posting pictures? | 108 | 43 | 2,739 |
8x7ktd | 153 | Just picked up Model 3 feelings about it being a great car tempered by delivery experience and some quality issues. UPDATE WITH LINKS TO PHOTOS] Just picked up Tesla Model 3 (Silver) from Fremont Delivery Center. The car is incredible great acceleration and handling with no significant compromise to driver or passenger comfort. Touchscreen is fairly intuitive and a fairly incredible execution of Tesla s vision of technology simplifying driver controls. But unfortunately I ve had some issues with the car. I m sharing my experience to see if others have had these issues. 1. The car was flat out dirty. The interior was just layered in brown dirt and dust. It was clear nobody bothered to detail the car. There was a buildup of brown sandy dirt around the exterior black trim and the nooks and crannies of the interior panels (particularly frunk and trunk). I was told that Tesla finished building our car on June 21 but it seemed like a sandstorm whipped through very specific parts of the car. I didn t point this out to the adviser because It seemed petty at the time didn t seem worth the additional wait to detail and I didn t know the full extent of the buildup until I got home. 2. The car had a small paint chip which I pointed out to the adviser. After the team touched up the paint leaving it looking worse than it was before and thought I d be happy with that I told them that was unsatisfactory but told them I didn t expect them to take care of the problem there and that I d bring it in to a service center for a real fix. 3. The rear passenger door trim was bubbling at two corners. The advisor told me that it was “ok” that some cars have that problem and that s how it should be. I pointed out that there was no way Tesla designed the trim to bubble and the fact it occurs in some but not all cars proves it s a problem. Again I told him I d take it in to the service center. 4. After washing the car I found the same trim separating between the driver and passenger side door. 5. The touchscreen has what I would describe as fairly obvious dotted pixelation that goes vertically there are about 7-8 of these lines in varying lengths and are most obvious against a white background. Again great car but my feelings are tempered by these QC issues. How they thought it would be ok to let the paint chip go through with simple touch up let alone a dirty dusty car is beyond me. Anybody else deal with these issues? [Edit 1: formatting spelling]. Additonal comments: 1. Many have questioned why I and other M3 owners accepted delivery of the M3 with these flaws. A. These flaws are not deal breakers [i.e. flat out reject and walk away from the delivery center]. Based on what I ve read from forums and REDDIT Tesla will get it fixed. I should clarify that I didn t expect the techs at the delivery center to properly repaint the door. I pointed out to the ISA that there appeared to be a chip but if it wasn t they should remedy it. I remember telling her that if it was a chip I couldn t imagine what they could do today to fix it. B. Turning down the M3 at the delivery center could create more problems. We are currently a one car family and have been for about 15 months. It s been tolerable but with our kids growing and having different interests it would have been difficult to continue with just one car. How long will I have to wait for the next one? Who is to say that the next one won t suffer from these or other problems? Again my expectations are reasonable. I can sympathize with there being growing pains. This is why I was polite but very firm. UPDATE: LINK TO PHOTOS https: imgur.com a JOwFPrl | Pretty much the same experience at Fremont last week. I noticed the driver side door needed to be slammed shut to completely close. All other doors did not need such force to close. I pointed it out and one guy came in excitedly and kept continually slamming the door shut saying nothing is wrong with it and I am overthinking it. When I showed him and a couple of other ladies how the other doors shut without such force they agreed driver side doors are built that way because it s used much more than the others. Why not tell me this when I pointed it out initially instead of trying to disprove me? The manager then assured me that if I feel it s not working I can take it to the service center and they will definitely take care of it. The delivery specialist was a joke! She took more than 2 hours to complete the paperwork repeatedly coming back for signatures that she forgot to take earlier. During orientation she was clueless. She just said some random things like this is the brake and that s the gas pedal this is the touch screen that is the mirror . She was done in less than 2 minutes. When she was done she did not know how to get out of the car! She said she was new and apologized. I am fine with paperwork taking a long time but it was unacceptable that she didn t know even basic things about the car. Finally I just looked through the owners manual to find what I wanted. I have left my feedback on the survey they sent. Let s see if there s a response. The car itself is amazing. The delivery experience was very disappointing. | My rear driver s side door appeared to have someone s drink spilled all over the inside... didn t notice until the day after I got home and looked at it for the first time in full daylight. The screen protectors were still on the screen and visor mirrors but hat doesn t bother me I like removing things like that myself :) The door though that was terrible. | 38 | 6 | 2,740 |
8xddb6 | 110 | Is Slacker still the only music streaming option? I search the sub I saw some feature requests for various other services. Is it still the case that Slacker is the only option? | So many people have requested this I don t understand why they just don t explain the situation to customers. E.g. we ve signed a deal with Slacker in the US for xx years. Someone should ask about this during the next shareholders meeting. | This really grinds my gears. (speaking figuratively now i guess) | 123 | 5 | 2,741 |
8xddb6 | 110 | Is Slacker still the only music streaming option? I search the sub I saw some feature requests for various other services. Is it still the case that Slacker is the only option? | So many people have requested this I don t understand why they just don t explain the situation to customers. E.g. we ve signed a deal with Slacker in the US for xx years. Someone should ask about this during the next shareholders meeting. | In the US native in the car UI included in the premium connectivity package yes. You can of course stream whatever you want from your phone via Bluetooth. | 123 | 6 | 2,742 |
8xddb6 | 110 | Is Slacker still the only music streaming option? I search the sub I saw some feature requests for various other services. Is it still the case that Slacker is the only option? | So many people have requested this I don t understand why they just don t explain the situation to customers. E.g. we ve signed a deal with Slacker in the US for xx years. Someone should ask about this during the next shareholders meeting. | I wonder how long until someone figures out how to enable Spotify... 🤔 | 123 | 13 | 2,743 |
8xk8o4 | 204 | Model 3 unresponsive lessons learned I had a weird issue today and want to share with model 3 owners. I park in a garage without cell service I moved into reverse and then into drive and noticed that the display showed the car in P while I was driving. I thought weird I guess the screen is frozen I ll just do a double button reboot when I get out of the garage and into coverage and everything will be fine and I ll make a bug report. So I pulled out of the garage and into the freeway feeder and as soon as the cell service clicked the car stuttered hard and slowed and stopped with an error saying Car Unresponsive and move to a safe location. I thought hazards then soft reboot. No go car still sitting idle with power but drive train not responding. Now hold brake in and reboot same. At this point a flat bed tow truck magically appeared in front of me and was offering to get me out of the way but we couldn t get the car to move. At this point I discovered the Service setting towing and then transport option. I clicked that button and then unclicked it and then magically I regained control of the drivetrain and was able to get out of traffic and into a parking lot. I called Tesla roadside to see if I should attempt to get on the freeway and they said I should go to a service center immediately or if I wanted they would tow me. I drove the car to the service center and was informed that it could be anything from firmware to drive motor to battery. We ll see but in the meantime I have a P85D so I m not complaining. But to anyone who breaks down out of nowhere and soft reboots aren t working try clicking and unclicking the Transport button inside Towing as that saved me. Hopefully you won t need to use this advice. TLDR: If soft rebooting doesn t allow you to change from Park to Drive go to Settings Towing and click and unclick the Transport button to reengage... Update: Firmware issue updated me to 24.7 ran motor diagnostics said she s good to go. | > hazards turn off on reboot which seems dangerous That s like the one thing you use when a car breaks down. Would have thought hazard lights had a dedicated circuit to not be affected by anything else. | Wow thats awful. | 60 | 3 | 2,744 |
8xk8o4 | 204 | Model 3 unresponsive lessons learned I had a weird issue today and want to share with model 3 owners. I park in a garage without cell service I moved into reverse and then into drive and noticed that the display showed the car in P while I was driving. I thought weird I guess the screen is frozen I ll just do a double button reboot when I get out of the garage and into coverage and everything will be fine and I ll make a bug report. So I pulled out of the garage and into the freeway feeder and as soon as the cell service clicked the car stuttered hard and slowed and stopped with an error saying Car Unresponsive and move to a safe location. I thought hazards then soft reboot. No go car still sitting idle with power but drive train not responding. Now hold brake in and reboot same. At this point a flat bed tow truck magically appeared in front of me and was offering to get me out of the way but we couldn t get the car to move. At this point I discovered the Service setting towing and then transport option. I clicked that button and then unclicked it and then magically I regained control of the drivetrain and was able to get out of traffic and into a parking lot. I called Tesla roadside to see if I should attempt to get on the freeway and they said I should go to a service center immediately or if I wanted they would tow me. I drove the car to the service center and was informed that it could be anything from firmware to drive motor to battery. We ll see but in the meantime I have a P85D so I m not complaining. But to anyone who breaks down out of nowhere and soft reboots aren t working try clicking and unclicking the Transport button inside Towing as that saved me. Hopefully you won t need to use this advice. TLDR: If soft rebooting doesn t allow you to change from Park to Drive go to Settings Towing and click and unclick the Transport button to reengage... Update: Firmware issue updated me to 24.7 ran motor diagnostics said she s good to go. | > hazards turn off on reboot which seems dangerous That s like the one thing you use when a car breaks down. Would have thought hazard lights had a dedicated circuit to not be affected by anything else. | What the heck. The software is not tested enough. It probably came into a weird state that was untested. Connects disconnects can produce weird effects if not tested properly. There s a lot of things happening during such events such as load unload tons of stuff. My best bet is something called a race condition where things happens in the wrong order. | 60 | 3 | 2,745 |
8xk8o4 | 204 | Model 3 unresponsive lessons learned I had a weird issue today and want to share with model 3 owners. I park in a garage without cell service I moved into reverse and then into drive and noticed that the display showed the car in P while I was driving. I thought weird I guess the screen is frozen I ll just do a double button reboot when I get out of the garage and into coverage and everything will be fine and I ll make a bug report. So I pulled out of the garage and into the freeway feeder and as soon as the cell service clicked the car stuttered hard and slowed and stopped with an error saying Car Unresponsive and move to a safe location. I thought hazards then soft reboot. No go car still sitting idle with power but drive train not responding. Now hold brake in and reboot same. At this point a flat bed tow truck magically appeared in front of me and was offering to get me out of the way but we couldn t get the car to move. At this point I discovered the Service setting towing and then transport option. I clicked that button and then unclicked it and then magically I regained control of the drivetrain and was able to get out of traffic and into a parking lot. I called Tesla roadside to see if I should attempt to get on the freeway and they said I should go to a service center immediately or if I wanted they would tow me. I drove the car to the service center and was informed that it could be anything from firmware to drive motor to battery. We ll see but in the meantime I have a P85D so I m not complaining. But to anyone who breaks down out of nowhere and soft reboots aren t working try clicking and unclicking the Transport button inside Towing as that saved me. Hopefully you won t need to use this advice. TLDR: If soft rebooting doesn t allow you to change from Park to Drive go to Settings Towing and click and unclick the Transport button to reengage... Update: Firmware issue updated me to 24.7 ran motor diagnostics said she s good to go. | > hazards turn off on reboot which seems dangerous That s like the one thing you use when a car breaks down. Would have thought hazard lights had a dedicated circuit to not be affected by anything else. | Definitely sounds like a software bug to me. | 60 | 6 | 2,746 |
8xrduz | 229 | Model 3 Design Studio is now LIVE on the US Model 3 page [https: 3.tesla.com model3 design?redirect=no#battery](https: 3.tesla.com model3 design?redirect=no#battery) edit: looks like Tesla is including 1 year of premium connectivity with the premium interior. | For those who still don t have their car it turns out that $1000 deposit did absolutely nothing. | Mods please pin this. | 58 | 4 | 2,747 |
8xrduz | 229 | Model 3 Design Studio is now LIVE on the US Model 3 page [https: 3.tesla.com model3 design?redirect=no#battery](https: 3.tesla.com model3 design?redirect=no#battery) edit: looks like Tesla is including 1 year of premium connectivity with the premium interior. | For those who still don t have their car it turns out that $1000 deposit did absolutely nothing. | [$20k more than i want it to be... :(](https: i.imgur.com kepMg0I.png) | 58 | 5 | 2,748 |
8xrduz | 229 | Model 3 Design Studio is now LIVE on the US Model 3 page [https: 3.tesla.com model3 design?redirect=no#battery](https: 3.tesla.com model3 design?redirect=no#battery) edit: looks like Tesla is including 1 year of premium connectivity with the premium interior. | Still waiting on that standard range. Hopefully by the end of the year I guess. | So you can do this without the $1 000 reservation. $2 500 instead of $3 500. | 62 | 13 | 2,749 |
8xt1th | 39 | Tesla is being aggressive about selling the current 3 A couple of weeks ago I filled out the online form to come and see the 3 in person. At the last minute I changed my mind and closed the window before clicking OK or Submit (whatever button they use on the form). I got a call within a few hours and the sales person left a message about me submitting the request. I ignored it. Today I got another voice mail from the same sales person asking to come in and configure my Performance Model 3. Personally I have no need for the LR battery so I will wait but I found it surprising that Tesla is now actively reaching out to reservation holders. My take on it is that they are running low on people who want the $50k+ version and they really want to sell a bunch more before manufacturing the 3 with the regular battery. | my take is the Performance is very high profit. They already said same as AWD but sort the motors to pick the best. So no extra cost to them over AWD. Which means it s a very high profit car for them! Which is fine with me. I would get the Performance if I could afford it. | You might choose to update your communication preferences in your account. I ve personally never been contacted by Tesla outside of automated emails confirming my reservation my order etc. | 28 | 2 | 2,750 |
8xu92n | 24 | Anybody else chomping at the bit for the August FSD update? How many of you will purchase the upgrade on day one? After a few months? Never? Already did? Couldn t be more excited for the FSD update coming down the pipe. This is why I bought a Tesla. Curious how many others plan on picking it up either immediately or after a teething period. Also curious what people think will be included in FSD v1 | Are you familiar with Elon Time? | Agree. Once i can not be in the car and have it go i m all in. | 88 | 2 | 2,751 |
8xu92n | 24 | Anybody else chomping at the bit for the August FSD update? How many of you will purchase the upgrade on day one? After a few months? Never? Already did? Couldn t be more excited for the FSD update coming down the pipe. This is why I bought a Tesla. Curious how many others plan on picking it up either immediately or after a teething period. Also curious what people think will be included in FSD v1 | Are you familiar with Elon Time? | Depends on the features. In general I OCD on shiny bits ... beta macOS iOS git Linux kernel etc. so I doubt I will be able to keep my cash in my wallet ... | 88 | 5 | 2,752 |
8xu92n | 24 | Anybody else chomping at the bit for the August FSD update? How many of you will purchase the upgrade on day one? After a few months? Never? Already did? Couldn t be more excited for the FSD update coming down the pipe. This is why I bought a Tesla. Curious how many others plan on picking it up either immediately or after a teething period. Also curious what people think will be included in FSD v1 | Are you familiar with Elon Time? | I ll hold off until it does something amazing. Autopilot is truly amazing in stop and go so I bought it. Once FSD let s me self valet and autoparks that will do it for me. Stopping at stop signs and red lights not so much... | 88 | 29 | 2,753 |
8xz9jo | 96 | Got the dreaded battery charge level.is restricted message yesterday. 2013 P85 with 55 000 miles. The service center flatbeded the car after it dropped more than 30 miles in one night and refused to charge (just said charge completed when plugged in). Luckily the service should only take 2 weeks and the service center said that we would be getting a nee 90kWh battery as there were no more 85kWh. Pretty good ending I guess. Sorry for that extra period in the title. Currently on mobile while I m supercharging lol | A good buddy of mine had this happen to him and they did the same in offering the 90kWh pack. Ask them to rebadge the car to reflect the 85 to 90 change. This will aid in resale value should you ever sell or trade in the car. | Damn free battery upgrade. Will you get a faster 0-60? | 33 | 2 | 2,754 |
8xz9jo | 96 | Got the dreaded battery charge level.is restricted message yesterday. 2013 P85 with 55 000 miles. The service center flatbeded the car after it dropped more than 30 miles in one night and refused to charge (just said charge completed when plugged in). Luckily the service should only take 2 weeks and the service center said that we would be getting a nee 90kWh battery as there were no more 85kWh. Pretty good ending I guess. Sorry for that extra period in the title. Currently on mobile while I m supercharging lol | A good buddy of mine had this happen to him and they did the same in offering the 90kWh pack. Ask them to rebadge the car to reflect the 85 to 90 change. This will aid in resale value should you ever sell or trade in the car. | do you mind describing your drive charging habits? | 33 | 5 | 2,755 |
8xzh06 | 171 | Tesla crosses environmentalism tech style and status....all of which people will pay irrationally for. This is why Tesla will be huge in the short term. It s obvious that EVs are an iPhone moment and I think that Tesla s formula is right to get people to change their spending habits to be able to own not just an EV but a Tesla. At this point any EV other than a Tesla isn t something most people aspire to. Don t get me wrong the Bolt is a decent car but let s be honest most people want the Tesla just as most people want an iPhone over a Chinese rip-off. | I have a four year old Model S and people still take pictures of it when I m stopped at a traffic light. The aura around this car line is like no other I ve ever seen. | It ll be different when auto manufactures start making EVs as their flagship vehicles. The Blot err sorry dyslexia Bolt is hardly GM s flagship. Show me a pure EV Corvette show me a Ford F150 EV where s a BMW M3 EV? | 53 | 2 | 2,756 |
8xzh06 | 171 | Tesla crosses environmentalism tech style and status....all of which people will pay irrationally for. This is why Tesla will be huge in the short term. It s obvious that EVs are an iPhone moment and I think that Tesla s formula is right to get people to change their spending habits to be able to own not just an EV but a Tesla. At this point any EV other than a Tesla isn t something most people aspire to. Don t get me wrong the Bolt is a decent car but let s be honest most people want the Tesla just as most people want an iPhone over a Chinese rip-off. | I have a four year old Model S and people still take pictures of it when I m stopped at a traffic light. The aura around this car line is like no other I ve ever seen. | The general public still being half torn on whether TSLA will even survive is a good indication that EV s let alone TSLA s are not quite having their iPhone moment . The consensus for a majority of the public is that TSLA vehicles are an incredible engineering feat. The cars are beautiful and out perform most of their competitors. But many are still weary about the day-to-day practicality. Many are still weary that TSLA can compete and become profitable. Tack on extreme pressure from ICE manuf gov. big oil and so on and the gap becomes larger. Not many companies have developed a product which has had quite the impact the IPhone did in the phone market. Barrier to entry was small . People were ready (asking) for the innovation the tech was there the economy was doing well (for the time being) etc. The timing was right and the real world demand was there. When the IPhone was announced it clearly leapfrogged every other like product on the market in terms of features and real world use cases. Don t get me wrong I think EV s primarily TSLA s will eventually push to become the standard. Whether it be by demand or by law due to env. reasoning. But it s going to be a long drawn out process. There will be no IPhone moment . | 53 | 6 | 2,757 |
8xzh06 | 171 | Tesla crosses environmentalism tech style and status....all of which people will pay irrationally for. This is why Tesla will be huge in the short term. It s obvious that EVs are an iPhone moment and I think that Tesla s formula is right to get people to change their spending habits to be able to own not just an EV but a Tesla. At this point any EV other than a Tesla isn t something most people aspire to. Don t get me wrong the Bolt is a decent car but let s be honest most people want the Tesla just as most people want an iPhone over a Chinese rip-off. | I have a four year old Model S and people still take pictures of it when I m stopped at a traffic light. The aura around this car line is like no other I ve ever seen. | The reality is *most* people don t care much about cars. They might want a nice car and they might know they want bluetooth or a sunroof or enough room for 2 baby seats but they don t pay enough attention to know whether their car is considered a Chinese rip-off or not. If we re talking true mainstream - an audience that Tesla still has not breeched - the people buying Nissan Rogues and Hyundai Sonatas... those people will think the Chevy Bolt is just fine. And it is. It s a fine car. Looks a little like a koala bear to me. Sort of cute sort of homely. Certainly better looking than other popular mainstream offerings like the Sonata. I think the thing holding the Bolt back from itself being a mainstream winner is the network. Chevy can appeal to those most casual buyers. They really could have been the new Prius with this Bolt. But they didn t pay attention to the network and that casual buyer is going to be the most focused on well I want to go anywhere whenever I want . They don t want to make a sacrifice or a lifestyle change. They just want their transportation appliance to work equal to or better than the one they already have. And right now without a robust and reliable network of fast chargers in convenient locations the Bolt just doesn t have a strong enough answer to hold the interest of the mainstream. | 53 | 19 | 2,758 |
8y0jsx | 54 | [Discussion]How about some good reviews of when you received your Model 3. Just bad and worse reviews of the handover experience lately lets hear about your positive experience! I ve read a handful of posts about negative experiences picking up the Model 3 but not any positive experiences. Any one out there that got their Model 3 and it had zero flaws and the buying experience was stress free and met your expectations? | Took delivery on 30 MAR at the Costa Mesa showroom. The staff were accommodating friendly and shared our excitement for the event. We were concerned that we would be rushed in some way (there were so many people there!) but our delivery person was very patient with us while we asked questions. After he d answered them I indicated we had brought a checklist and would be going over it before signing for the vehicle. They said that was great and to take as much time as necessary so my s o and I scrutinized the car for about 30 minutes until we were satisfied. At that point they helped us finish setting everything up and sign our paperwork. Really memorable and strongly positive experience. Deeply grateful to the staff there for their effort! | If everyone posted their positive experience picking up their 3 then this subreddit would have nothing else. | 35 | 5 | 2,759 |
8y1ngw | 128 | Takeaways from investors meetings with Senior Director of Investor Relations Aaron Chew from Tuesday On Tuesday Tesla spoke with large investors on site (and they toured the tent) lead by Senior Director of IR Aaron Chew. I m piecing together information from different sources (both public and private) and I ll be stealing some quotes from Bank of America Merrill Lynch as they had a nice writeup and opinion of it (noted by block quotes). **Model 3 production** GA3 was running at 4K a week GA4 made up the additional 1K (to get to the 5K goal) They expect GA3 to ramp up to 5K a week and keeping GA4 stagnant at 1K by the end of the month making 6K a week but realistically running a 5K a week rate sustainably for all of Q3 2018. Q3: 5K week ~Q4: 7K week ~Mid-2019: 10K week > Although TSLA is confident in the sustainability of its production rate based on its past challenges in ramping up production we remain somewhat skeptica land believe it will take some time before the Model 3 production reaches material scale. **Full Self Driving** Tesla noted they are not on the same path as other companies when it comes to getting to level 4-5 autonomy. While some companies are open road testing those levels Tesla is doing their testing behind the scenes. Tesla has cars with level 2-3 (V1) available in the public but are still a bit off from road testing level 4-5 (V2) > And while TSLA is currently in development phase of V2.0 AV (entering validation phase) commercialization of the technology is still some ways off although TSLA will likely launch some mobility model **China Factory** Reached agreement to build a factory with planned capacity of 500K. Did not disclose how that was going to be built when it will be started finished and how much it would cost. They did expect it to be funded like capex in the past: funding from cash flows co-funding with other sources capex deferrals). > In our view this is a prudent move to not only tap into the largest electric vehicle market but also to mitigate trade risk in light of escalating trade war tensions globally. Also of note in response to tariffs imposed by the US China recently raised the tariff on US-manufactured vehicles imported into China to 40% which forced TSLA to materially raise prices on its vehicles sold in the China market. **Capital Raise** Tesla did re-affirm that they will not require an equity or debt raise this year. > We would note that customers are now required to pay an additional $2 500 to configure the Model 3 which based on the current reservation count of 420k could equate to a $1bn cash infusion and may buy a few quarters before TSLA needs to return to the capital markets. **Merrill Lynch on competition:** > Although TSLA is trailblazer within the electric vehicle market we believe competition is heating up from both incumbent players and newer entrants looking to capitalize on the high-growth space. We would highlight planned new vehicle launches (per our Car Wars analysis) from BMW (i platform) Daimler (EQ platform) Audi (e-tron platform) and most notably Porsche (Taycan Mission E Cross Turismo) as well as an aggressive push from newer China Asia OEMs such as BYD Byton Geely Polestar Volvo and NIO. In addition some companies may pursue a vertical integration of battery electric vehicle manufacturing (in the same way as TSLA) with the recent agreement between BMW and CATL being an example. However it does not yet appear that TSLA perceives these efforts as a major competitive threat and we would admit the market vacuum still exists for now. | > We would note that customers are now required to pay an additional $2 500 to configure the Model 3 which based on the current reservation count of 420k could equate to a $1bn cash infusion That s some interesting maths given people who are waiting for the standard range model won t be configuring anything... | It s sad to hear about the state of FSD and interesting to hear they no longer consider 10K week a goal for 2018. | 54 | 14 | 2,760 |
8y1ngw | 128 | Takeaways from investors meetings with Senior Director of Investor Relations Aaron Chew from Tuesday On Tuesday Tesla spoke with large investors on site (and they toured the tent) lead by Senior Director of IR Aaron Chew. I m piecing together information from different sources (both public and private) and I ll be stealing some quotes from Bank of America Merrill Lynch as they had a nice writeup and opinion of it (noted by block quotes). **Model 3 production** GA3 was running at 4K a week GA4 made up the additional 1K (to get to the 5K goal) They expect GA3 to ramp up to 5K a week and keeping GA4 stagnant at 1K by the end of the month making 6K a week but realistically running a 5K a week rate sustainably for all of Q3 2018. Q3: 5K week ~Q4: 7K week ~Mid-2019: 10K week > Although TSLA is confident in the sustainability of its production rate based on its past challenges in ramping up production we remain somewhat skeptica land believe it will take some time before the Model 3 production reaches material scale. **Full Self Driving** Tesla noted they are not on the same path as other companies when it comes to getting to level 4-5 autonomy. While some companies are open road testing those levels Tesla is doing their testing behind the scenes. Tesla has cars with level 2-3 (V1) available in the public but are still a bit off from road testing level 4-5 (V2) > And while TSLA is currently in development phase of V2.0 AV (entering validation phase) commercialization of the technology is still some ways off although TSLA will likely launch some mobility model **China Factory** Reached agreement to build a factory with planned capacity of 500K. Did not disclose how that was going to be built when it will be started finished and how much it would cost. They did expect it to be funded like capex in the past: funding from cash flows co-funding with other sources capex deferrals). > In our view this is a prudent move to not only tap into the largest electric vehicle market but also to mitigate trade risk in light of escalating trade war tensions globally. Also of note in response to tariffs imposed by the US China recently raised the tariff on US-manufactured vehicles imported into China to 40% which forced TSLA to materially raise prices on its vehicles sold in the China market. **Capital Raise** Tesla did re-affirm that they will not require an equity or debt raise this year. > We would note that customers are now required to pay an additional $2 500 to configure the Model 3 which based on the current reservation count of 420k could equate to a $1bn cash infusion and may buy a few quarters before TSLA needs to return to the capital markets. **Merrill Lynch on competition:** > Although TSLA is trailblazer within the electric vehicle market we believe competition is heating up from both incumbent players and newer entrants looking to capitalize on the high-growth space. We would highlight planned new vehicle launches (per our Car Wars analysis) from BMW (i platform) Daimler (EQ platform) Audi (e-tron platform) and most notably Porsche (Taycan Mission E Cross Turismo) as well as an aggressive push from newer China Asia OEMs such as BYD Byton Geely Polestar Volvo and NIO. In addition some companies may pursue a vertical integration of battery electric vehicle manufacturing (in the same way as TSLA) with the recent agreement between BMW and CATL being an example. However it does not yet appear that TSLA perceives these efforts as a major competitive threat and we would admit the market vacuum still exists for now. | > We would note that customers are now required to pay an additional $2 500 to configure the Model 3 which based on the current reservation count of 420k could equate to a $1bn cash infusion That s some interesting maths given people who are waiting for the standard range model won t be configuring anything... | Interesting to note the lack of Model Y talk still. Tesla being a little more disciplined about that I think. The design-for-manufacture of Model Y is supposed to be impressive (from hints) and perhaps they ve even learned some things recently and are doing a design rev on that. It would be nice to hear that they had a plans for a 500K-1M unit line for Model Y to complement the Model 3 forecast production. If I remember correctly the last hint from Elon at the shareholders meeting was that next March we will have another stand-in-line day for Model Y. | 54 | 19 | 2,761 |
8y4ooy | 126 | To insure your Model 3 steer clear of Liberty Mutual Just finished up all my Model 3 online paperwork and I ll be taking delivery on Tuesday. Wanted to drive home a point that has been made here before. I initially looked at Liberty Mutual for my insurance and thought it would be a great deal. They have Tesla-specific insurance and even have a privileged position on the Tesla website. My quote was $240 a month. I m over 25 have had my license over a decade and have never had a ticket or insurance claim. I called to figure out the errors (did they think I was financing an S or X maybe?) Long story short that was indeed their offer. They called back a few days later with a better offer (5% off yay!) but by then I had lost all interest in working with that company. I got several other quotes most of which were less than half of Liberty Mutual. Ended up going with Progressive for $72 a month with even better coverage. So is anyone else having similar experiences? Is there a reason that my quote would have been so high? TLDR: Look at many sources for insurance quotes. Tesla needs to cut all ties to Liberty Mutual if this is the standard way that their customers are treated. | I had to laugh at their quote. I know a lot of insurers can t beat USAA but it wasn t even close. Near the end of our conversation the representative tried to convince me to raise my deductible to lower the rates. Thanks but no thanks. | I had the exact same experience. Their quote was more than double than competitors (without using a vin but the sales agent was sure it would still be around that range as you described maybe a bit more as I m in nyc). I ve been with geico for 5+ years with 500 deductibles full glass and mid range level selects and they quoted me $400 yr higher than my current car (zero accidents in my life). | 52 | 5 | 2,762 |
8y4ooy | 126 | To insure your Model 3 steer clear of Liberty Mutual Just finished up all my Model 3 online paperwork and I ll be taking delivery on Tuesday. Wanted to drive home a point that has been made here before. I initially looked at Liberty Mutual for my insurance and thought it would be a great deal. They have Tesla-specific insurance and even have a privileged position on the Tesla website. My quote was $240 a month. I m over 25 have had my license over a decade and have never had a ticket or insurance claim. I called to figure out the errors (did they think I was financing an S or X maybe?) Long story short that was indeed their offer. They called back a few days later with a better offer (5% off yay!) but by then I had lost all interest in working with that company. I got several other quotes most of which were less than half of Liberty Mutual. Ended up going with Progressive for $72 a month with even better coverage. So is anyone else having similar experiences? Is there a reason that my quote would have been so high? TLDR: Look at many sources for insurance quotes. Tesla needs to cut all ties to Liberty Mutual if this is the standard way that their customers are treated. | I had to laugh at their quote. I know a lot of insurers can t beat USAA but it wasn t even close. Near the end of our conversation the representative tried to convince me to raise my deductible to lower the rates. Thanks but no thanks. | Weird. Liberty Mutual gave me the LOWEST quote out of my current provider (geico) as well as progressive and state farm. | 52 | 17 | 2,763 |
8y4ooy | 126 | To insure your Model 3 steer clear of Liberty Mutual Just finished up all my Model 3 online paperwork and I ll be taking delivery on Tuesday. Wanted to drive home a point that has been made here before. I initially looked at Liberty Mutual for my insurance and thought it would be a great deal. They have Tesla-specific insurance and even have a privileged position on the Tesla website. My quote was $240 a month. I m over 25 have had my license over a decade and have never had a ticket or insurance claim. I called to figure out the errors (did they think I was financing an S or X maybe?) Long story short that was indeed their offer. They called back a few days later with a better offer (5% off yay!) but by then I had lost all interest in working with that company. I got several other quotes most of which were less than half of Liberty Mutual. Ended up going with Progressive for $72 a month with even better coverage. So is anyone else having similar experiences? Is there a reason that my quote would have been so high? TLDR: Look at many sources for insurance quotes. Tesla needs to cut all ties to Liberty Mutual if this is the standard way that their customers are treated. | $740 a year for my Model 3 on Liberty Mutual. | I had the exact same experience. Their quote was more than double than competitors (without using a vin but the sales agent was sure it would still be around that range as you described maybe a bit more as I m in nyc). I ve been with geico for 5+ years with 500 deductibles full glass and mid range level selects and they quoted me $400 yr higher than my current car (zero accidents in my life). | 31 | 5 | 2,764 |
8y58ap | 94 | Way to increase speed of Model 3 deliveries Like many of you I read that Tesla needs to minimize Model 3 delivery time. Either that or they are going to need to build a whole lot more delivery centers. This issue will be further compounded as production continues to ramp up. As an owner since 2014 I have shown my car to a whole lot of people as well as have taken delivery of three cars. I know that the biggest consumer of time when showing the car is going over the center screen. I think that Tesla could minimize some of the time at delivery by have functional mock center screen kiosks in the showroom for people to mess with the functions as well as Tesla could send an invitation to a web based version with a walkthrough prior to the delivery appointment. What do you think? | I m paying $1000 to have this thing delivered. I would like a golden unicorn to demonstrate every function of the screen with its horn please. | Too expensive | 29 | 2 | 2,765 |
8y7vsa | 323 | Random reported asked me about how I liked my Model 3 Parked my Model 3 today in SF and some random reporter approached me and said something along the lines of: “Hi I am a reporter covering Tesla and I wanted to know how you like your car? Has it given you any problems? Any issues you had?”. All I responded was “Fantastic car. Best car I ve ever had. No complaints.” She immediately lost complete interest in what I had to say thanked me and walked away. It was pretty obvious she was looking for dirt. She had a badge but I didn t get her name as it was pretty quick. It was interesting to experience first hand what at least seems to me a reporter looking for only bad things to report on. | Was it [Linette Lopez](https: twitter.com lopezlinette status 1016408751430164482)😂🤣 | Just imagine living the life of someone who has to constantly lie to themselves to get through the day. The media is no different than the fossil industry. Instead of their product spewing toxic and environment destroying chemicals into the atmosphere they spew toxic and culture destroying propaganda into the populace. | 91 | 3 | 2,766 |
8y7vsa | 323 | Random reported asked me about how I liked my Model 3 Parked my Model 3 today in SF and some random reporter approached me and said something along the lines of: “Hi I am a reporter covering Tesla and I wanted to know how you like your car? Has it given you any problems? Any issues you had?”. All I responded was “Fantastic car. Best car I ve ever had. No complaints.” She immediately lost complete interest in what I had to say thanked me and walked away. It was pretty obvious she was looking for dirt. She had a badge but I didn t get her name as it was pretty quick. It was interesting to experience first hand what at least seems to me a reporter looking for only bad things to report on. | Was it [Linette Lopez](https: twitter.com lopezlinette status 1016408751430164482)😂🤣 | Yeah if I look at the Arseralian media headlines concerning Musk - all of them are negative as usual all commenting on his sub being rejected in Thailand and facetiously exploring reasons as to why it was such crap engineering. | 91 | 3 | 2,767 |
8y7vsa | 323 | Random reported asked me about how I liked my Model 3 Parked my Model 3 today in SF and some random reporter approached me and said something along the lines of: “Hi I am a reporter covering Tesla and I wanted to know how you like your car? Has it given you any problems? Any issues you had?”. All I responded was “Fantastic car. Best car I ve ever had. No complaints.” She immediately lost complete interest in what I had to say thanked me and walked away. It was pretty obvious she was looking for dirt. She had a badge but I didn t get her name as it was pretty quick. It was interesting to experience first hand what at least seems to me a reporter looking for only bad things to report on. | Was it [Linette Lopez](https: twitter.com lopezlinette status 1016408751430164482)😂🤣 | Sounds like it was not random at all it was targeted. | 91 | 5 | 2,768 |
8ybpsj | 253 | Anti-selling is behind us - Tesla.com has a new face [Tesla Model 3 - The car of the future](https: www.tesla.com ) Just noticed today that for the first time the Model 3 is top of the main page in all it s glory with Order Now Learn More Test Drive buttons. Next phase is underway! | It s clear Tesla are now getting serious about acquiring new customers for the Model 3. My reservation was late May 2016 ordered June 27 and if I wasn t waiting to get a trade in offer I could be driving my LR tomorrow. Nice to see them moving to the next stage of the Model 3 s life! | It s beautiful! | 85 | 8 | 2,769 |
8ybpsj | 253 | Anti-selling is behind us - Tesla.com has a new face [Tesla Model 3 - The car of the future](https: www.tesla.com ) Just noticed today that for the first time the Model 3 is top of the main page in all it s glory with Order Now Learn More Test Drive buttons. Next phase is underway! | It s clear Tesla are now getting serious about acquiring new customers for the Model 3. My reservation was late May 2016 ordered June 27 and if I wasn t waiting to get a trade in offer I could be driving my LR tomorrow. Nice to see them moving to the next stage of the Model 3 s life! | Not too far in the future I can see Model 3 in the inventory page. | 85 | 11 | 2,770 |
8ybpsj | 253 | Anti-selling is behind us - Tesla.com has a new face [Tesla Model 3 - The car of the future](https: www.tesla.com ) Just noticed today that for the first time the Model 3 is top of the main page in all it s glory with Order Now Learn More Test Drive buttons. Next phase is underway! | It s clear Tesla are now getting serious about acquiring new customers for the Model 3. My reservation was late May 2016 ordered June 27 and if I wasn t waiting to get a trade in offer I could be driving my LR tomorrow. Nice to see them moving to the next stage of the Model 3 s life! | The updated US site says: > International deliveries of left-hand drive vehicles begin this year^2018 While the EU site has the following: > International deliveries of left-hand drive vehicles begin in the first half of the year^2019 They will sell the crap out of P3Ds won t they? Once the US Canada demand for it is fulfilled they will start shipping abroad. Edit: I m not sure I was clear enough- it seems the new update suggests that Tesla moved **forward** the International deliveries. | 85 | 26 | 2,771 |
8yebzn | 29 | HOA denied my application to install an outlet for charging my Tesla I live in a Condo in California. They said it needs to be installed within my patio. They said I cannot install it right outside my place. Is it legal for them to deny this? | I thought California passed a law recently preventing this.. maybe not. Will search. Edit: HOAs may not prohibit or unreasonably restrict the installation or use of electric vehicle charging stations in a designated parking space. https: www.kts-law.com electric-vehicle-charging-stations-for-california-landlords https: www.hoalawblog.com civil_code_4745_electric_vehi_1 http: www.lorberlaw.com the-electric-vehicle-revolution | If it is visible to the outside they most likely have grounds to deny you. Look at your HOA documents. If it were inside your garage for instance they can t say anything. | 89 | 2 | 2,772 |
8yebzn | 29 | HOA denied my application to install an outlet for charging my Tesla I live in a Condo in California. They said it needs to be installed within my patio. They said I cannot install it right outside my place. Is it legal for them to deny this? | I thought California passed a law recently preventing this.. maybe not. Will search. Edit: HOAs may not prohibit or unreasonably restrict the installation or use of electric vehicle charging stations in a designated parking space. https: www.kts-law.com electric-vehicle-charging-stations-for-california-landlords https: www.hoalawblog.com civil_code_4745_electric_vehi_1 http: www.lorberlaw.com the-electric-vehicle-revolution | > Is it legal for them to deny this? Highly likely. Probably worth looking at the agreement you signed with them. | 89 | 4 | 2,773 |
8yebzn | 29 | HOA denied my application to install an outlet for charging my Tesla I live in a Condo in California. They said it needs to be installed within my patio. They said I cannot install it right outside my place. Is it legal for them to deny this? | I thought California passed a law recently preventing this.. maybe not. Will search. Edit: HOAs may not prohibit or unreasonably restrict the installation or use of electric vehicle charging stations in a designated parking space. https: www.kts-law.com electric-vehicle-charging-stations-for-california-landlords https: www.hoalawblog.com civil_code_4745_electric_vehi_1 http: www.lorberlaw.com the-electric-vehicle-revolution | When you say right outside [your] place do you mean against the wall and if you plugged in your UMC would it potentially create a tripping hazard? Someone else posted here (or maybe it was TMC or both) that had a similar issue IIRC. Are you the same guy that was posting YouTube videos each week tracking the amount of money you saved for your Model 3? If so I was bummed you stopped posting after Valentines Day. But glad to see you got your car! | 89 | 12 | 2,774 |
8yen7c | 43 | 2018.26 Software Megathread **2018.26 began rolling out on 7 12 2018** Please keep all discussions on features or enhancements you ve encountered here! If you want to learn more about how Tesla deploys updates or tracking the deployments see our [OTA Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) page. Anything else discovered new AP capabilities minor changes in the overall UI? If you want to share something you discovered please format it as such so it is easier for us to consolidate what Model the information applies to: \\> > **Feature | Vehicle Model | Year | Image link of feature or change if possible** | “Check for software update” button in the next firmware update please. | Might just be for Model X. That s all that s on Teslafi so far... | 31 | 2 | 2,775 |
8ygnqr | 91 | Folks reporting Model 3 delivery estimates are being decreased [Via Tesla Motors Club.](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads awd-order-moved-up-to-sept-nov-from-oct-dec.122473 ) Also confirmed my LR AWD model now says Aug-Oct instead of Oct-Dec! | Mine is still Sep-Nov 😭😭😭 | Oh boy! Connecticut LR AWD Blue no EAP is now Sep-Nov instead of Oct-Dec | 35 | 6 | 2,776 |
8yjz07 | 41 | [Discussion] What phone do you have and what has been your experience using it as a key for the model 3? Been a loyal HTC customer for the passed several years now but I want to make sure my next phone syncs well with my TM3 when I get it. | iPhone X nearly perfect. Edit: Bluetooth for phone calls on the other hand.... total SNAFU. 90% of the time I have to use my speakerphone either because of the echo or because the audio of the call won t be handled by the car at all. Highly frustrating. | Galaxy S7 was nearly perfect. Just upgraded to S9+ and it s been less perfect. Have to actually unlock the phone a bit more often. | 38 | 8 | 2,777 |
8yjz07 | 41 | [Discussion] What phone do you have and what has been your experience using it as a key for the model 3? Been a loyal HTC customer for the passed several years now but I want to make sure my next phone syncs well with my TM3 when I get it. | iPhone X nearly perfect. Edit: Bluetooth for phone calls on the other hand.... total SNAFU. 90% of the time I have to use my speakerphone either because of the echo or because the audio of the call won t be handled by the car at all. Highly frustrating. | iPhone X running iOS 12. Generally pretty good as long as my phone is in my front pocket. When i keep it in my back pocket it s either blocked by my body. Occasionally after a long absence - a weekend say - i have to open the Tesla app for it to work. It hasn t been seamless but I prefer this to having to carry (and worry about losing) a fob. | 38 | 12 | 2,778 |
8yn06h | 80 | New MX got keyed all the way from front to rear bumper across 4 panel and 2 mouldings. Cost of repair was $3850 🤢 Not sure if that cost is exorbitant or normal. The keying crossed a number of sensor paths which complicated the repair. Apparently to remove front bumper they had to remove entire front fascia. Yuck. EDIT: Just picked it up. Two pieces of trim fell off before I made it home. Shop was joking that working on my car was a learning process. SMH. | This is why Tesla needs to enable the cameras. Even a few publicized cases of prosecution would likely help. | For all that paint necessary that seems reasonable. Was it deep or just clear coat? | 90 | 2 | 2,779 |
8yn06h | 80 | New MX got keyed all the way from front to rear bumper across 4 panel and 2 mouldings. Cost of repair was $3850 🤢 Not sure if that cost is exorbitant or normal. The keying crossed a number of sensor paths which complicated the repair. Apparently to remove front bumper they had to remove entire front fascia. Yuck. EDIT: Just picked it up. Two pieces of trim fell off before I made it home. Shop was joking that working on my car was a learning process. SMH. | This is why Tesla needs to enable the cameras. Even a few publicized cases of prosecution would likely help. | That sucks man good luck. | 90 | 6 | 2,780 |
8yn4cc | 30 | Anyone have experience charging at an RV spot? RV Park or campground? National park? Did you have to reserve it in advance? How much did you pay? Were they cool with you charging your Tesla without an RV? | I ve done it a few times it works really well. [Zion National Park RV Park Utah](https: imgur.com GubFhVP) [Thermopolis WY](https: imgur.com K1SBXz3) [Devils Tower WY](https: imgur.com eX07007) I always called ahead and reserved a 50 AMP RV spot for overnight since I usually arrived late and wanted to be sure I had a spot. I have an adapter for the TT-30 but it s around 7-8mph instead of 30mph so overnight I wouldn t be full. If they asked how big the trailer was or if I needed pull through I usually said It s small and either will work because explaining it was an EV usually just confused them. As long I have the 50 AMP plug I m happy. Usually had some questions in the morning about it which I m always happy to answer. Had one guy ask How did you get here? since he thought all EVs have terrible range of 50 miles. Also had one RV park manager offer to charge me just the car tent fee because they didn t realize I was just a car (the RV park was mostly empty) but I explained how much power it used overnight and that I was comfortable paying the full RV fee (usually $30-$40 but varies largely based on the RV park and whether it s the peak season). The way I see it it s totally worth the cost for me. I get a nice safe place to sleep and a full charge. Sometimes they have nice showers or other amenities. Sure I m only using at most ~$10 of electricity but I don t want to nickel and dime them. I am taking the spot that they could be charging an RV for and I want them to like EVs. | I had a 50 at a campgroud worked fine. Most of the sites had full 120 and 240 hookups. Didn t have to pay extra or do anything beyond reserve the site. I don t know the cost of the site as it was included in the cost of my bbq competition entry fee. | 44 | 2 | 2,781 |
8yn4cc | 30 | Anyone have experience charging at an RV spot? RV Park or campground? National park? Did you have to reserve it in advance? How much did you pay? Were they cool with you charging your Tesla without an RV? | I ve done it a few times it works really well. [Zion National Park RV Park Utah](https: imgur.com GubFhVP) [Thermopolis WY](https: imgur.com K1SBXz3) [Devils Tower WY](https: imgur.com eX07007) I always called ahead and reserved a 50 AMP RV spot for overnight since I usually arrived late and wanted to be sure I had a spot. I have an adapter for the TT-30 but it s around 7-8mph instead of 30mph so overnight I wouldn t be full. If they asked how big the trailer was or if I needed pull through I usually said It s small and either will work because explaining it was an EV usually just confused them. As long I have the 50 AMP plug I m happy. Usually had some questions in the morning about it which I m always happy to answer. Had one guy ask How did you get here? since he thought all EVs have terrible range of 50 miles. Also had one RV park manager offer to charge me just the car tent fee because they didn t realize I was just a car (the RV park was mostly empty) but I explained how much power it used overnight and that I was comfortable paying the full RV fee (usually $30-$40 but varies largely based on the RV park and whether it s the peak season). The way I see it it s totally worth the cost for me. I get a nice safe place to sleep and a full charge. Sometimes they have nice showers or other amenities. Sure I m only using at most ~$10 of electricity but I don t want to nickel and dime them. I am taking the spot that they could be charging an RV for and I want them to like EVs. | I ve stayed at electric sites in state campgrounds a couple times and other than having to ask them to fix the ground once never had a problem and no extra fees. I stayed overnight with a full reservation though I didn t just stop for a few hours during the day. | 44 | 3 | 2,782 |
8yn4cc | 30 | Anyone have experience charging at an RV spot? RV Park or campground? National park? Did you have to reserve it in advance? How much did you pay? Were they cool with you charging your Tesla without an RV? | I ve done it a few times it works really well. [Zion National Park RV Park Utah](https: imgur.com GubFhVP) [Thermopolis WY](https: imgur.com K1SBXz3) [Devils Tower WY](https: imgur.com eX07007) I always called ahead and reserved a 50 AMP RV spot for overnight since I usually arrived late and wanted to be sure I had a spot. I have an adapter for the TT-30 but it s around 7-8mph instead of 30mph so overnight I wouldn t be full. If they asked how big the trailer was or if I needed pull through I usually said It s small and either will work because explaining it was an EV usually just confused them. As long I have the 50 AMP plug I m happy. Usually had some questions in the morning about it which I m always happy to answer. Had one guy ask How did you get here? since he thought all EVs have terrible range of 50 miles. Also had one RV park manager offer to charge me just the car tent fee because they didn t realize I was just a car (the RV park was mostly empty) but I explained how much power it used overnight and that I was comfortable paying the full RV fee (usually $30-$40 but varies largely based on the RV park and whether it s the peak season). The way I see it it s totally worth the cost for me. I get a nice safe place to sleep and a full charge. Sometimes they have nice showers or other amenities. Sure I m only using at most ~$10 of electricity but I don t want to nickel and dime them. I am taking the spot that they could be charging an RV for and I want them to like EVs. | Yes I purchased a premium campsite at Fort Wilderness in the Walt Disney World resort and had no issues. All campsites at WDW need to be reserved well in advance and they re fucking expensive for campsites (shocking I know). I paid $160 night. The car kept tripping the breaker so I had to dial the current down. I think I took it down to 20A or 15A or so. It was still more than enough to fully charge since we were there a couple of nights. | 44 | 3 | 2,783 |
8yn9ww | 217 | Each truckload of teslas removes the need for one truckload of fuel delivered to a gas station. Now this doesn t mean completely... Due to not all delivered vehicles using the same station but picture this. According to statistics the average American buys 656 gallons of fuel every year. A tanker carries 9000 gallons of gasoline. Each Tesla carrier hauls 9 vehicles. So for every car carrier of Teslas that almost equates to one less semi of fuel delivered throughout the country. Based on almost a thousand Teslas being manufactured daily meaning around 100 car carriers leaving the factory THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 100 SEMIS OF FUEL NOT NEEDED IN THE US EVERY SINGLE DAY.😀😀😀😀😀 | That is a cool statistic. Sales people like me living in Texas will make even more of a difference. I ll easily purchase 1300 gallons per year driving around. Gonna be nice to not do that anymore! | 656 per year... I want to say I was about triple that. In a full year with just my gas cars. | 38 | 4 | 2,784 |
8yn9ww | 217 | Each truckload of teslas removes the need for one truckload of fuel delivered to a gas station. Now this doesn t mean completely... Due to not all delivered vehicles using the same station but picture this. According to statistics the average American buys 656 gallons of fuel every year. A tanker carries 9000 gallons of gasoline. Each Tesla carrier hauls 9 vehicles. So for every car carrier of Teslas that almost equates to one less semi of fuel delivered throughout the country. Based on almost a thousand Teslas being manufactured daily meaning around 100 car carriers leaving the factory THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT 100 SEMIS OF FUEL NOT NEEDED IN THE US EVERY SINGLE DAY.😀😀😀😀😀 | That is a cool statistic. Sales people like me living in Texas will make even more of a difference. I ll easily purchase 1300 gallons per year driving around. Gonna be nice to not do that anymore! | hedidthemath | 38 | 6 | 2,785 |
8yoxhm | 46 | It seems like most people aren t big fans of the Dual Motor badge. What would you prefer instead? I m not a fan of the dual motor badge either. It reminds me of ‘Police Interceptor or ‘Fuel Injected badges I ve seen. I ve got a Performance Model 3 on order and I m looking for something better (or maybe just go without any badge) So what s better than ‘Dual Motor ? I m thinking P3D with the P in a stylized red and the D in subscript maybe? I m going to 3D print out a bunch of options and trial some on my pearl white performance 3. Any other suggestions for badges are appreciated or if anyone wants to take a crack at a design I can 3D print it and see how it looks. | Rearrange the letters to ULTRA DOOM. | I like it. Just a plain D would be OK too though. | 53 | 2 | 2,786 |
8yoxhm | 46 | It seems like most people aren t big fans of the Dual Motor badge. What would you prefer instead? I m not a fan of the dual motor badge either. It reminds me of ‘Police Interceptor or ‘Fuel Injected badges I ve seen. I ve got a Performance Model 3 on order and I m looking for something better (or maybe just go without any badge) So what s better than ‘Dual Motor ? I m thinking P3D with the P in a stylized red and the D in subscript maybe? I m going to 3D print out a bunch of options and trial some on my pearl white performance 3. Any other suggestions for badges are appreciated or if anyone wants to take a crack at a design I can 3D print it and see how it looks. | Rearrange the letters to ULTRA DOOM. | I plan to debadge chrome delete and do the roadster version of the full “Tesla” logo across the back rather than just the Tesla “T”. Then I ll get a black old school plate that indicates the config. | 53 | 2 | 2,787 |
8yoxhm | 46 | It seems like most people aren t big fans of the Dual Motor badge. What would you prefer instead? I m not a fan of the dual motor badge either. It reminds me of ‘Police Interceptor or ‘Fuel Injected badges I ve seen. I ve got a Performance Model 3 on order and I m looking for something better (or maybe just go without any badge) So what s better than ‘Dual Motor ? I m thinking P3D with the P in a stylized red and the D in subscript maybe? I m going to 3D print out a bunch of options and trial some on my pearl white performance 3. Any other suggestions for badges are appreciated or if anyone wants to take a crack at a design I can 3D print it and see how it looks. | Rearrange the letters to ULTRA DOOM. | Where are you guys seeing the badge? | 53 | 3 | 2,788 |
8ythw5 | 98 | Performance Model 3 test drives are happening. I just got a phone call and email from the Devon PA store asking me to set up a test drive for a Performance Model 3. I have a dual motor (non-performance) ordered and I image they are trying to up sell me. I m unfortunately at work and can t call back for more info right now. I m going to try my hardest NOT to test drive one because I know I ll want to change my order if I do. | Convince yourself to buy the performance model with the extra passing power makes it safer and it will have better resale value . | Should be happening soon. I was in Newark (next to fremont) yesterday and I saw a whole truck full of performance sitting on it ready to be transported. | 38 | 3 | 2,789 |
8ythw5 | 98 | Performance Model 3 test drives are happening. I just got a phone call and email from the Devon PA store asking me to set up a test drive for a Performance Model 3. I have a dual motor (non-performance) ordered and I image they are trying to up sell me. I m unfortunately at work and can t call back for more info right now. I m going to try my hardest NOT to test drive one because I know I ll want to change my order if I do. | Convince yourself to buy the performance model with the extra passing power makes it safer and it will have better resale value . | RIP your wallet :) | 38 | 4 | 2,790 |
8yy3jk | 749 | My wife rolled our Model 3 at highway speeds. She only sustained minor injuries and the car performed exceptionally well. Photo inside. [Photos of the damage.](https: imgur.com a 33RUwEN) Figured I would share this since it may be the first rollover accident of a Model 3. It happened earlier this week my wife was the only one in the car at the time and her memory of the events is blurry because everything happened so fast but the following is what we know. She was traveling on the freeway at approximately 70mph in the left lane. The car collided with a second vehicle in the middle lane. The front driver side of the Model 3 then hit the cement median with enough force to shear the front wheel off. Then the slide sideways and started rolling. A witness said the car rolled several times before finally settling upside down. The other car also hit the median though much less violently and we believe the driver was uninjured. Several good people immediately stopped and helped her. Surprisingly the drivers side window rolled down (actually up) and the door was able to be opened with the normal button (as opposed to the emergency release). She initially thought she was fine but was convinced to head to the hospital in an ambulance as a precaution. Turns out that was a good idea because there was a compression fracture in one of her vertebrae. They released her after a few hours and she is recovering well. There was also several bruises a small friction burn from the airbags and general soreness the day after. I thought the car performed spectacularly from a safety standpoint. The driver seat airbags protected her during the roll including one underneath the steering wheel for her legs which I didn t even know was there. As you can see from the photos the cabin was completely intact. The windshield and glass roof obviously shattered but they did not intrude into the cabin at all. We ll be placing an order for a new Model 3 as soon as the insurance is sorted out. The car was 3 months old with 6500 miles (LR+PUP blue aeros AP and FSD). We ve never had a car totaled before so I m not sure what to expect with respect to the cars value. The few used Model 3 listings I ve seen with some miles on them are still near MSRP. Is the insurance company likely to determine that is the value or will they apply standard depreciation to it? Any help on what to expect here would be appreciated. | Wow surprising that the inside looks totally fine. Looks like it s just been a minor accident from the inside. no major deformities and all the seats and footwells are fine. amazing. So when I got a quote with my insurance company they quoted me a Model S 75D cuz model 3 isn t available here yet in their database. They automatically put on a 3 years depreciation waiver for me without me asking. Which means if I total the car or suffer a loss they would get me a new model 3 or similar model. Not sure how they will do it since Model 3 takes forever to deliver right now but I would definitely check with your insurance policy to see if you have that protection. Without it unfortunately I expect the insurance company to lowball you using a standard depreciation formula you could potentially look on autotrader or use used Model S 3 prices of similar mileage to negotiate with them. | Wow. Glad to hear she s OK. | 110 | 2 | 2,791 |
8yy3jk | 749 | My wife rolled our Model 3 at highway speeds. She only sustained minor injuries and the car performed exceptionally well. Photo inside. [Photos of the damage.](https: imgur.com a 33RUwEN) Figured I would share this since it may be the first rollover accident of a Model 3. It happened earlier this week my wife was the only one in the car at the time and her memory of the events is blurry because everything happened so fast but the following is what we know. She was traveling on the freeway at approximately 70mph in the left lane. The car collided with a second vehicle in the middle lane. The front driver side of the Model 3 then hit the cement median with enough force to shear the front wheel off. Then the slide sideways and started rolling. A witness said the car rolled several times before finally settling upside down. The other car also hit the median though much less violently and we believe the driver was uninjured. Several good people immediately stopped and helped her. Surprisingly the drivers side window rolled down (actually up) and the door was able to be opened with the normal button (as opposed to the emergency release). She initially thought she was fine but was convinced to head to the hospital in an ambulance as a precaution. Turns out that was a good idea because there was a compression fracture in one of her vertebrae. They released her after a few hours and she is recovering well. There was also several bruises a small friction burn from the airbags and general soreness the day after. I thought the car performed spectacularly from a safety standpoint. The driver seat airbags protected her during the roll including one underneath the steering wheel for her legs which I didn t even know was there. As you can see from the photos the cabin was completely intact. The windshield and glass roof obviously shattered but they did not intrude into the cabin at all. We ll be placing an order for a new Model 3 as soon as the insurance is sorted out. The car was 3 months old with 6500 miles (LR+PUP blue aeros AP and FSD). We ve never had a car totaled before so I m not sure what to expect with respect to the cars value. The few used Model 3 listings I ve seen with some miles on them are still near MSRP. Is the insurance company likely to determine that is the value or will they apply standard depreciation to it? Any help on what to expect here would be appreciated. | Wow surprising that the inside looks totally fine. Looks like it s just been a minor accident from the inside. no major deformities and all the seats and footwells are fine. amazing. So when I got a quote with my insurance company they quoted me a Model S 75D cuz model 3 isn t available here yet in their database. They automatically put on a 3 years depreciation waiver for me without me asking. Which means if I total the car or suffer a loss they would get me a new model 3 or similar model. Not sure how they will do it since Model 3 takes forever to deliver right now but I would definitely check with your insurance policy to see if you have that protection. Without it unfortunately I expect the insurance company to lowball you using a standard depreciation formula you could potentially look on autotrader or use used Model S 3 prices of similar mileage to negotiate with them. | Thank goodness you wife is okay. Autopilot engaged? | 110 | 8 | 2,792 |
8yy3jk | 749 | My wife rolled our Model 3 at highway speeds. She only sustained minor injuries and the car performed exceptionally well. Photo inside. [Photos of the damage.](https: imgur.com a 33RUwEN) Figured I would share this since it may be the first rollover accident of a Model 3. It happened earlier this week my wife was the only one in the car at the time and her memory of the events is blurry because everything happened so fast but the following is what we know. She was traveling on the freeway at approximately 70mph in the left lane. The car collided with a second vehicle in the middle lane. The front driver side of the Model 3 then hit the cement median with enough force to shear the front wheel off. Then the slide sideways and started rolling. A witness said the car rolled several times before finally settling upside down. The other car also hit the median though much less violently and we believe the driver was uninjured. Several good people immediately stopped and helped her. Surprisingly the drivers side window rolled down (actually up) and the door was able to be opened with the normal button (as opposed to the emergency release). She initially thought she was fine but was convinced to head to the hospital in an ambulance as a precaution. Turns out that was a good idea because there was a compression fracture in one of her vertebrae. They released her after a few hours and she is recovering well. There was also several bruises a small friction burn from the airbags and general soreness the day after. I thought the car performed spectacularly from a safety standpoint. The driver seat airbags protected her during the roll including one underneath the steering wheel for her legs which I didn t even know was there. As you can see from the photos the cabin was completely intact. The windshield and glass roof obviously shattered but they did not intrude into the cabin at all. We ll be placing an order for a new Model 3 as soon as the insurance is sorted out. The car was 3 months old with 6500 miles (LR+PUP blue aeros AP and FSD). We ve never had a car totaled before so I m not sure what to expect with respect to the cars value. The few used Model 3 listings I ve seen with some miles on them are still near MSRP. Is the insurance company likely to determine that is the value or will they apply standard depreciation to it? Any help on what to expect here would be appreciated. | Wow surprising that the inside looks totally fine. Looks like it s just been a minor accident from the inside. no major deformities and all the seats and footwells are fine. amazing. So when I got a quote with my insurance company they quoted me a Model S 75D cuz model 3 isn t available here yet in their database. They automatically put on a 3 years depreciation waiver for me without me asking. Which means if I total the car or suffer a loss they would get me a new model 3 or similar model. Not sure how they will do it since Model 3 takes forever to deliver right now but I would definitely check with your insurance policy to see if you have that protection. Without it unfortunately I expect the insurance company to lowball you using a standard depreciation formula you could potentially look on autotrader or use used Model S 3 prices of similar mileage to negotiate with them. | I was wondering the same thing about insurance with these cars. Normally you have to pay extra to get a new vehicle or get as much money as a new vehicle but that s because normally cars lose 10% of their value as soon as they drive away. The difference here is the model 3 doesn t lose value like that because of the scarcity so would you still get the full value in a total loss? | 110 | 9 | 2,793 |
8z1ho4 | 105 | Test Drive Reminder If you are one of the first lucky few for a Model 3 Performance test drive please keep this in mind before posting: 1) Have a friend record or take a suction up phone mount with you 2) Record horizontally 3) Avoid recording your sales associate (if possible) don t want to get someone in trouble accidentally 4) Drive safe | 5) Accidentaly buy the car after the test drive. | And take a picture of the battery for u 110110 ) | 73 | 25 | 2,794 |
8z1r6t | 181 | How to enter your Tesla into showroom mode I displayed my Model S in a local green energy fair. I figured out that if you hold the T for 5 seconds you re prompted to enter a code. If you enter showroom it enters the vehicle into showroom mode and disables driving. However it does not hide any personal information so for my local fair I put my Model S into valet mode turned off walk-away door lock and kept the key fob outside the vehicle. This way personal information was hidden but people can still play around with the touchscreen. | So what other codes work besides showroom? Dictionary attack against a Tesla! | How do you take it out of showroom mode? | 58 | 21 | 2,795 |
8z51hj | 263 | Should Tesla fire Elon Musk for offensive tweet? Or some other sanction? Earlier today Elon Musk called British diver Vern Unsworth a pedo in a seeming fit of rage. The tweet stayed up for several hours before it was deleted. News story here: [https: www.theguardian.com technology 2018 jul 15 elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter](https: www.theguardian.com technology 2018 jul 15 elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter) Screenshot of Tweet here: [https: twitter.com crushingbort status 1018506702931365888](https: twitter.com crushingbort status 1018506702931365888) Considering that Musk is the CEO of Tesla and considering that other CEOs have recently been dismissed or forced to resign because of outrageous comments (see Papa John s CEO for use of n-word Uber CEO for angry tirade at Uber driver) it s plausible to suggest this tweet is grounds for termination. At the very least it s going to be bad publicity for Tesla at a time when the company could use some good publicity. **Musk and Tesla are intertwined. How should Tesla respond to Musk s bad tweet?** | Totally should have quickly corrected it to “speedo guy” and said whoops. | People shouldn t be pushed out of jobs for saying stupid things this shit is getting ridiculous. He should apologize and stay off the internet. | 515 | 3 | 2,796 |
8z51hj | 263 | Should Tesla fire Elon Musk for offensive tweet? Or some other sanction? Earlier today Elon Musk called British diver Vern Unsworth a pedo in a seeming fit of rage. The tweet stayed up for several hours before it was deleted. News story here: [https: www.theguardian.com technology 2018 jul 15 elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter](https: www.theguardian.com technology 2018 jul 15 elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter) Screenshot of Tweet here: [https: twitter.com crushingbort status 1018506702931365888](https: twitter.com crushingbort status 1018506702931365888) Considering that Musk is the CEO of Tesla and considering that other CEOs have recently been dismissed or forced to resign because of outrageous comments (see Papa John s CEO for use of n-word Uber CEO for angry tirade at Uber driver) it s plausible to suggest this tweet is grounds for termination. At the very least it s going to be bad publicity for Tesla at a time when the company could use some good publicity. **Musk and Tesla are intertwined. How should Tesla respond to Musk s bad tweet?** | Totally should have quickly corrected it to “speedo guy” and said whoops. | Yeah Elon you need to say sorry and then just walk away from Twitter and social media for like a hot minute. Post on Instagram amazing stuff and leave it alone. Do great works and let great works speak. We all get it your way over loaded and burned out. Twitter is your escape release. We know one other person who does they and more than half the country is not pleased with him. So please give it a rest. The sub was a fine idea and it would have helped had the situation changed for the worse and for that your commended now leave it alone. Also to people who call it a pr stunt for what. There was no profit pay off. There was no Tesla branding. Space x lol they are super private and in zero need of pr. | 515 | 37 | 2,797 |
8z51hj | 263 | Should Tesla fire Elon Musk for offensive tweet? Or some other sanction? Earlier today Elon Musk called British diver Vern Unsworth a pedo in a seeming fit of rage. The tweet stayed up for several hours before it was deleted. News story here: [https: www.theguardian.com technology 2018 jul 15 elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter](https: www.theguardian.com technology 2018 jul 15 elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter) Screenshot of Tweet here: [https: twitter.com crushingbort status 1018506702931365888](https: twitter.com crushingbort status 1018506702931365888) Considering that Musk is the CEO of Tesla and considering that other CEOs have recently been dismissed or forced to resign because of outrageous comments (see Papa John s CEO for use of n-word Uber CEO for angry tirade at Uber driver) it s plausible to suggest this tweet is grounds for termination. At the very least it s going to be bad publicity for Tesla at a time when the company could use some good publicity. **Musk and Tesla are intertwined. How should Tesla respond to Musk s bad tweet?** | Totally should have quickly corrected it to “speedo guy” and said whoops. | Would a low-level Tesla employee be fired for that? If so then yes. | 515 | 56 | 2,798 |
8z7qdm | 36 | 4.5 seconds versus 3.5 seconds for Model 3 The Model 3 Performance version is supposed to accelerate from 0 to to 60 one second faster. If my math is correct that s about 22% faster. I guess one could also say the standard Model 3 is 29% slower if you do the math in the other direction. Either way is that a noticeable amount ¿ Has anyone experienced a similar difference in different configurations of the Model S for example. How much better is it subjectively ¿ I m wondering if it s worth upgrading to the Performance version of the Model 3 or if the difference isn t really worth the cost. I know it s subjective but perhaps someone has some analogous experience and could give an informed opinion. Thanks | Dragtimes had a video comparing a 100d and P100D which has a ~1 second difference 0-60 (as tested). They took down their original video but here is a copy to show what a 1 second difference looks like. https: youtu.be Z6W8oaZRFSU | Seems like the answer is already a no in your case. | 48 | 2 | 2,799 |
8z7qdm | 36 | 4.5 seconds versus 3.5 seconds for Model 3 The Model 3 Performance version is supposed to accelerate from 0 to to 60 one second faster. If my math is correct that s about 22% faster. I guess one could also say the standard Model 3 is 29% slower if you do the math in the other direction. Either way is that a noticeable amount ¿ Has anyone experienced a similar difference in different configurations of the Model S for example. How much better is it subjectively ¿ I m wondering if it s worth upgrading to the Performance version of the Model 3 or if the difference isn t really worth the cost. I know it s subjective but perhaps someone has some analogous experience and could give an informed opinion. Thanks | Dragtimes had a video comparing a 100d and P100D which has a ~1 second difference 0-60 (as tested). They took down their original video but here is a copy to show what a 1 second difference looks like. https: youtu.be Z6W8oaZRFSU | It s already an incredibly fast car. 5.5 seconds to 60mph is already pretty damn exciting. | 48 | 4 | 2,800 |
8z7qdm | 36 | 4.5 seconds versus 3.5 seconds for Model 3 The Model 3 Performance version is supposed to accelerate from 0 to to 60 one second faster. If my math is correct that s about 22% faster. I guess one could also say the standard Model 3 is 29% slower if you do the math in the other direction. Either way is that a noticeable amount ¿ Has anyone experienced a similar difference in different configurations of the Model S for example. How much better is it subjectively ¿ I m wondering if it s worth upgrading to the Performance version of the Model 3 or if the difference isn t really worth the cost. I know it s subjective but perhaps someone has some analogous experience and could give an informed opinion. Thanks | Dragtimes had a video comparing a 100d and P100D which has a ~1 second difference 0-60 (as tested). They took down their original video but here is a copy to show what a 1 second difference looks like. https: youtu.be Z6W8oaZRFSU | Plan on taking it to the track or you just want to beat everyone else to the next red light? | 48 | 6 | 2,801 |
8z85rl | 41 | Model 3 acceleration in Gs 0 to 60 times feel like they don t tell the whole story. After seeing u tnitty s [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8z7qdm 45\\_seconds\\_versus\\_35\\_seconds\\_for\\_model\\_3 ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8z7qdm 45_seconds_versus_35_seconds_for_model_3 ) post I thought I d post acceleration in Gs as a better way to convey feel. PAWD -> 3.5 seconds -> 0.78 Gs AWD -> 4.5 seconds -> 0.61 Gs RWD -> 5.1 seconds -> 0.54 Gs Source: [https: rechneronline.de g-acceleration ](https: rechneronline.de g-acceleration ) | So the G-forces roughly correlates to the amount the cars cost in thousands? | Also for reference OP put the P100D acceleration : 1.1 G | 40 | 2 | 2,802 |
8z85rl | 41 | Model 3 acceleration in Gs 0 to 60 times feel like they don t tell the whole story. After seeing u tnitty s [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8z7qdm 45\\_seconds\\_versus\\_35\\_seconds\\_for\\_model\\_3 ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8z7qdm 45_seconds_versus_35_seconds_for_model_3 ) post I thought I d post acceleration in Gs as a better way to convey feel. PAWD -> 3.5 seconds -> 0.78 Gs AWD -> 4.5 seconds -> 0.61 Gs RWD -> 5.1 seconds -> 0.54 Gs Source: [https: rechneronline.de g-acceleration ](https: rechneronline.de g-acceleration ) | So the G-forces roughly correlates to the amount the cars cost in thousands? | We ve found the Kerbal Space Program player. I did the same calculations for the Roadster for some Internet comment. 1.4g. Jebediah Kerman would be proud. | 40 | 5 | 2,803 |
8z85rl | 41 | Model 3 acceleration in Gs 0 to 60 times feel like they don t tell the whole story. After seeing u tnitty s [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8z7qdm 45\\_seconds\\_versus\\_35\\_seconds\\_for\\_model\\_3 ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8z7qdm 45_seconds_versus_35_seconds_for_model_3 ) post I thought I d post acceleration in Gs as a better way to convey feel. PAWD -> 3.5 seconds -> 0.78 Gs AWD -> 4.5 seconds -> 0.61 Gs RWD -> 5.1 seconds -> 0.54 Gs Source: [https: rechneronline.de g-acceleration ](https: rechneronline.de g-acceleration ) | So the G-forces roughly correlates to the amount the cars cost in thousands? | Also keep in mind that the G force is stronger on initial acceleration. So if we take times from [Motertrend](https: www.motortrend.com cars tesla model-3 2018 exclusive-tesla-model-3-long-range-first-test-review ) for the RWD model... 0-60 -> 4.8 s -> 0.57 Gs 0-30 -> 2.1 s -> 0.65 Gs Gs are probably even larger for the initial 0-15. | 40 | 9 | 2,804 |
8zbax2 | 53 | Tesla Store Demographics: More Like Ferrari than Audi Some interesting data analysis on visitors to Tesla Stores. * 44\\% of the visitors to Tesla stores have a household income level greater than $150 000. Of the auto manufacturers that we looked at only Ferrari had a higher percentage of visitors at this income level and only by 1.5\\%. Tesla s most obvious competitors — Audi Mercedes and BMW — were all significantly lower at around 30\\%. * Link: [https: blog.alphahat.com tesla-store-demographics-more-like-ferrari-than-audi-6b1fc760d5be](https: blog.alphahat.com tesla-store-demographics-more-like-ferrari-than-audi-6b1fc760d5be) | In other words 70% of Audi BMW and Mercedes owners should not have purchased the car. | Makes sense when you factor in the high prices + the EV risk factor. Up until recently with the supercharger Network and better messaging a lot of people I ve talked to were still on the fence because they weren t convinced they could own just EVs. Once you have more disposable income it helps to mitigate the risk because you can easily rent on demand or own another vehicle. As lower tiers of the 3 become available these numbers should start to shift pretty quickly. | 78 | 8 | 2,805 |
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