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8d5ou3 | 714 | CT Bill to Allow Tesla Sales Passes Finance Committee Vote 32-19 Details of who voted https: www.cga.ct.gov 2018 TS h 2018HB-05310-R00FIN-CV107-TS.htm It previously passed the transportation committee on 3 23. The bill now has to be scheduled for a vote by the full CT house senate. The state legislature s last day this year is 5 9. For context the bills the previous 3 years also passed the transportation vote and the finance committee but never passed both the full senate and house. There was one year it did pass the house (2015). 2015: 26-5 for TRA no FIN vote Full House 116-32 https: www.cga.ct.gov asp cgabillstatus cgabillstatus.asp?selBillType=Bill& bill_num=HB06682& which_year=2015 2016: voice vote for TRA 32-14 in FIN https: www.cga.ct.gov asp cgabillstatus cgabillstatus.asp?selBillType=Bill& bill_num=00003& which_year=2016 2017: 25-10 in TRA 25-20 in FIN https: www.cga.ct.gov asp cgabillstatus cgabillstatus.asp?selBillType=Bill& bill_num=HB07097& which_year=2017 | The dealership union keeps saying their business model is the best. If that s true than what are they afraid of? If in fact they are correct(they aren t) then consumers will choose them. | So... what are the chances it passes by 5 9? | 43 | 8 | 2,306 |
8d5ou3 | 714 | CT Bill to Allow Tesla Sales Passes Finance Committee Vote 32-19 Details of who voted https: www.cga.ct.gov 2018 TS h 2018HB-05310-R00FIN-CV107-TS.htm It previously passed the transportation committee on 3 23. The bill now has to be scheduled for a vote by the full CT house senate. The state legislature s last day this year is 5 9. For context the bills the previous 3 years also passed the transportation vote and the finance committee but never passed both the full senate and house. There was one year it did pass the house (2015). 2015: 26-5 for TRA no FIN vote Full House 116-32 https: www.cga.ct.gov asp cgabillstatus cgabillstatus.asp?selBillType=Bill& bill_num=HB06682& which_year=2015 2016: voice vote for TRA 32-14 in FIN https: www.cga.ct.gov asp cgabillstatus cgabillstatus.asp?selBillType=Bill& bill_num=00003& which_year=2016 2017: 25-10 in TRA 25-20 in FIN https: www.cga.ct.gov asp cgabillstatus cgabillstatus.asp?selBillType=Bill& bill_num=HB07097& which_year=2017 | The dealership union keeps saying their business model is the best. If that s true than what are they afraid of? If in fact they are correct(they aren t) then consumers will choose them. | Any details on those who voted against? Ties to dealership committees big oil anti-climate etc.? Would be interesting to see why so many were against - even though it passed it was a relatively narrow margin. | 43 | 15 | 2,307 |
8d8isq | 47 | Lots of new charging stations are going up. Tesla needs to add CCS support to their cars already They already added a second connector in China. Why wait? Just add the CCS connector on all new cars and make it an unlockable option for $300 or $500 or whatever. Otherwise we will soon have millions of cars that are locked out of the CCS networks for no good reason and that doesn t help anyone. | I don t understand the disdain for a converter. I ve never had any trouble with the J-1772 converter. It seems one port with 2-3 converters is better than permanently installing 3-4 ports (J-1772 Tesla CCS CHAdeMO). Can you explain your reasoning? | What about the cars already being sold? Do any have the CCS port (outside China)? Can they retrofit older cars or are those owners permanently locked out? | 46 | 2 | 2,308 |
8d8isq | 47 | Lots of new charging stations are going up. Tesla needs to add CCS support to their cars already They already added a second connector in China. Why wait? Just add the CCS connector on all new cars and make it an unlockable option for $300 or $500 or whatever. Otherwise we will soon have millions of cars that are locked out of the CCS networks for no good reason and that doesn t help anyone. | I don t understand the disdain for a converter. I ve never had any trouble with the J-1772 converter. It seems one port with 2-3 converters is better than permanently installing 3-4 ports (J-1772 Tesla CCS CHAdeMO). Can you explain your reasoning? | Can you buy a converter? I d think it could work like Chademo (sic)... | 46 | 5 | 2,309 |
8d8isq | 47 | Lots of new charging stations are going up. Tesla needs to add CCS support to their cars already They already added a second connector in China. Why wait? Just add the CCS connector on all new cars and make it an unlockable option for $300 or $500 or whatever. Otherwise we will soon have millions of cars that are locked out of the CCS networks for no good reason and that doesn t help anyone. | I don t understand the disdain for a converter. I ve never had any trouble with the J-1772 converter. It seems one port with 2-3 converters is better than permanently installing 3-4 ports (J-1772 Tesla CCS CHAdeMO). Can you explain your reasoning? | With the supercharger network why should we car about this? | 46 | 5 | 2,310 |
8da60b | 6,437 | Elon: Tesla batteries are currently live & delivering power at 662 locations in Puerto Rico. Team is working 24 7 to activate several hundred more. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 986746909153869824?s=20 Check out @Tesla s Tweet: https: twitter.com Tesla status 986760828882792448?s=09 | The year is 2305 and Muskism is now the only practiced religion | Papa Bless Elon | 1,001 | 64 | 2,311 |
8da60b | 6,437 | Elon: Tesla batteries are currently live & delivering power at 662 locations in Puerto Rico. Team is working 24 7 to activate several hundred more. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 986746909153869824?s=20 Check out @Tesla s Tweet: https: twitter.com Tesla status 986760828882792448?s=09 | The year is 2305 and Muskism is now the only practiced religion | Elon bless | 1,001 | 326 | 2,312 |
8da60b | 6,437 | Elon: Tesla batteries are currently live & delivering power at 662 locations in Puerto Rico. Team is working 24 7 to activate several hundred more. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 986746909153869824?s=20 Check out @Tesla s Tweet: https: twitter.com Tesla status 986760828882792448?s=09 | So I guess Elon and Tesla have done more for the people of Puerto Rico than the entire US gov t at this point? | Save Us Elon. | 515 | 32 | 2,313 |
8dcrwx | 167 | Wow! Chill Mode (new in Model 3 with 2018.14.13) is surprisingly good! I didn t expect to have any use for chill mode.. somehow naively i thought it would just be a simple limiter (forgive me I m not yet accustomed such features in a car being this well thought-out). But it includes a lot of subtle things like a delayed and smoothed ramp up of acceleration upon flooring the accelerator and a similar smoothing out of the regen. I think it s perfect for a lot of drivers who aren t looking for such song acceleration or such immediate response to the throttle from the car and leads to a much smoother drive experience. (Though it s significantly less engaging and exciting). Hooray for this approach to iterative improvements to the car! | New-ish Model X owner here - when I got the car my wife was afraid to drive it. I activated chill mode and she overcame the fear. Now she wants me to open it up and let it roar! She said she s ready for Tesla mode. They grow so fast -) | I m pretty sure Hyundai has been doing this for years except it s the default driving mode. It s like this on our hybrid sonata it s not drastic like tesla is doing but it s there none the less. It takes some getting use to but very nice when you have guests in the car and keeps the driving smooth. | 134 | 7 | 2,314 |
8dcrwx | 167 | Wow! Chill Mode (new in Model 3 with 2018.14.13) is surprisingly good! I didn t expect to have any use for chill mode.. somehow naively i thought it would just be a simple limiter (forgive me I m not yet accustomed such features in a car being this well thought-out). But it includes a lot of subtle things like a delayed and smoothed ramp up of acceleration upon flooring the accelerator and a similar smoothing out of the regen. I think it s perfect for a lot of drivers who aren t looking for such song acceleration or such immediate response to the throttle from the car and leads to a much smoother drive experience. (Though it s significantly less engaging and exciting). Hooray for this approach to iterative improvements to the car! | New-ish Model X owner here - when I got the car my wife was afraid to drive it. I activated chill mode and she overcame the fear. Now she wants me to open it up and let it roar! She said she s ready for Tesla mode. They grow so fast -) | What else is new with version 2018.14.13? | 134 | 15 | 2,315 |
8dcrwx | 167 | Wow! Chill Mode (new in Model 3 with 2018.14.13) is surprisingly good! I didn t expect to have any use for chill mode.. somehow naively i thought it would just be a simple limiter (forgive me I m not yet accustomed such features in a car being this well thought-out). But it includes a lot of subtle things like a delayed and smoothed ramp up of acceleration upon flooring the accelerator and a similar smoothing out of the regen. I think it s perfect for a lot of drivers who aren t looking for such song acceleration or such immediate response to the throttle from the car and leads to a much smoother drive experience. (Though it s significantly less engaging and exciting). Hooray for this approach to iterative improvements to the car! | New-ish Model X owner here - when I got the car my wife was afraid to drive it. I activated chill mode and she overcame the fear. Now she wants me to open it up and let it roar! She said she s ready for Tesla mode. They grow so fast -) | With software it would be nice if they could add a teenage driver mode with a password lock. Similar to the dealer mode that caps top speed but maybe a bit of chill built in to make it less twitchy very early AEB and very long follow distance. Maybe prevent the seats from folding all the way down and turning on the interior camera 😂 | 134 | 52 | 2,316 |
8deinz | 109 | Do we have anyone from Puerto Rico that can give a first hand report on how the Tesla batteries are doing? I know the internet likes to fluff things up a bit and it d be nice to hear from someone local. I d like to believe all the positive reports are real so far. [Discussion] I ll try cross posting to r PuertoRico | My coworkers have batteries installed. Both have power walls 2 after the hurricanes last year. What specifically do you wanna hear? They definitely work (ignore the comments on twitter on how will they generate power... people love to forget about the giant fusion ball on the sky..) One of them had a issue where water entered thru the roof pipe into the junction box (not the tesla one) and shorted out making the battery protection system kick in and disconnect the house. After the hurricane ended he called tesla and local shop and they didn t know how to turn it on since that never happened. Anyways he is an electrical engineer with experience in lithium battery system so he opened it up and found a place to supply external power to kickstart it and with two lithium batteries he had lying around kickstarter the microcontroller on the powerwall so it could run safety checks and deliver power to his house. I was the one that started calling after hurricane maria local stores for quotes about powerwalls and managed to get a quote to get elon musk to respond to the high installation cost. (thanks to fred for sharing writing the story) Another challegence tesla had was that the powerwalls require AT& T service to activate the first time. After hurricane maria without cell service tesla had to create a new device for doing a gateway between the powerwall internal cellphone modem and a external satellite or ethernet modem (using another provider) to get them online. | Some tidbits from past reports: https: electrek.co 2017 12 05 tesla-solar-battery-powerpack-puerto-rico > Puerto Rico Aqueducts and Sewers Authority executive Elí Díaz Atienza said that each Tesla Powerpack system has a capacity of 250kW 500kWh and they can run “the Vieques facility 70 percent of the time at 100 percent capacity and the installation of Culebra 100 percent of the time at 100 percent capacity.” > He added that the energy storage systems will benefit 8 825 Viequenses and 1 797 residents of Culebra. edit: A profile from PRI about a family that bought and installed for themselves a Tesla battery: https: www.pri.org stories 2018-01-04 hurricanes-blew-away-puerto-ricos-power-grid-now-solar-power-rising-fill-void | 76 | 13 | 2,317 |
8deinz | 109 | Do we have anyone from Puerto Rico that can give a first hand report on how the Tesla batteries are doing? I know the internet likes to fluff things up a bit and it d be nice to hear from someone local. I d like to believe all the positive reports are real so far. [Discussion] I ll try cross posting to r PuertoRico | My coworkers have batteries installed. Both have power walls 2 after the hurricanes last year. What specifically do you wanna hear? They definitely work (ignore the comments on twitter on how will they generate power... people love to forget about the giant fusion ball on the sky..) One of them had a issue where water entered thru the roof pipe into the junction box (not the tesla one) and shorted out making the battery protection system kick in and disconnect the house. After the hurricane ended he called tesla and local shop and they didn t know how to turn it on since that never happened. Anyways he is an electrical engineer with experience in lithium battery system so he opened it up and found a place to supply external power to kickstart it and with two lithium batteries he had lying around kickstarter the microcontroller on the powerwall so it could run safety checks and deliver power to his house. I was the one that started calling after hurricane maria local stores for quotes about powerwalls and managed to get a quote to get elon musk to respond to the high installation cost. (thanks to fred for sharing writing the story) Another challegence tesla had was that the powerwalls require AT& T service to activate the first time. After hurricane maria without cell service tesla had to create a new device for doing a gateway between the powerwall internal cellphone modem and a external satellite or ethernet modem (using another provider) to get them online. | Not from Puerto Rico but I m here now. When I came into SJU power was on obviously. Went to culebra and had power 100% of the time but one store we went to had an outage. Completely forgot about the power situation while on culebra until we came back and power was out. Granted I was only there for a few days but it seems to be working. Shop owner in San Juan asked how we were liking not having power and we said we were in culebra and he said oh they don t have the same problems because Tesla. | 76 | 38 | 2,318 |
8dfv66 | 77 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | I had a similar experience yesterday. A Dodge Challenger pulled right up on me (2ft) from my butt @80mph and started to aggressively rev his engine and he almost lost control when he let his clutch out again since the rear became loose. I promptly moved across two lanes of traffic and exited while giving him the one finger salute. He could not exit in time but slowed to 40mph on the highway trying to track me on the frontage road before I turned down a side street. Just crazy. Diesel trucks will routinely roll coal when they see a Tesla and can get very aggressive about trying to get in front of you to do it. | search dash cam in r teslamotors sort by top and also try new. you ll find loads of info. Keep reading till you feel like you ve got a consensus. I bought a Blackvue with a battery last night. more info here. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqj94 looking_at_blackview_dash_cam_thinking_about | 77 | 8 | 2,319 |
8dfv66 | 77 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | I had a similar experience yesterday. A Dodge Challenger pulled right up on me (2ft) from my butt @80mph and started to aggressively rev his engine and he almost lost control when he let his clutch out again since the rear became loose. I promptly moved across two lanes of traffic and exited while giving him the one finger salute. He could not exit in time but slowed to 40mph on the highway trying to track me on the frontage road before I turned down a side street. Just crazy. Diesel trucks will routinely roll coal when they see a Tesla and can get very aggressive about trying to get in front of you to do it. | Don t ride down the left lane and people won t get pissed at you. | 77 | 9 | 2,320 |
8dfv66 | 77 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | Yep being in a rural area I ve had my share of rage from others between my Leaf and Volts over the last 5 years. What s the worst is when douchebags with gigantic diesel trucks get in front of you and let loose all sorts of diesel exhaust on purpose (was really bummed to learn the Model 3 wouldn t have a bio weapon defense mode offered at first.) Each and every time I just return the favor by annihilating them off the line at the next stop. | Depends. Were you left lane hogging or in the middle right lane? He could have been upset that you were doing just the speed limit. | 83 | 25 | 2,321 |
8dk4po | 97 | There s a structural defect in my Model S and I m not sure what to do. Hi all My Model S has been at the service center for about two months. I initially brought it in for a few seemingly minor issues - a bad window regulator loose roof panel between the windshield and sunroof and some rattling in the cabin that d been present forever but never annoying enough to warrant a service visit on its own. I ve been in frequent contact with the service center in an effort to discover why it s taking so long and after some vague responses and deflection I finally got an answer. The car isn t at the service center it s at a body shop. The rattle was actually a structural defect in the c-pillar so they want to cut out the rear portion of the side panel and weld in a replacement section. That s all the information I have as apparently it s company policy not to detail actual repair procedures. This is the only new car I ve ever purchased so I don t know what s acceptable in terms of manufacturing defects but this seems excessive. Since delivery in August 2017 my car has had its windshield replaced (odd residue) a door panel repainted (they missed a swath of clear coat) replaced window regulators (twice) and a replaced door handle. It s been in the shop for 20% of the time I ve owned it and now kinda feels like some weird hackjob rather than an expensive new-ish car. I have no interest in adding a hacked up and welded back together side panel to that list. That s a structural element and it s all one piece so there s no way to ever return it to its intended form. It s bad enough that I ve been driving a structurally deficient car for over a year and I don t want to have to question the integrity of the repair or the eventual resale value of the vehicle down the road. But I have absolutely no idea what course of action I should take with Tesla. Lemon law doesn t seem to apply in situations such as this. Is it within my rights to insist they write off the car and replace it? How would I even initiate such a thing? Thanks in advance for your advice. | I had to have a c-pillar cut after someone backed into the rear fender of my Altima. It was fixed just fine but when I went to sell it at Carmax they gave me a terrible offer. Said it was considered frame damage they don t sell cars with frame damage and all they could do was wholesale it. So no I wouldn t accept this. New car please. | Structural welds have to be in a controlled environment using procedures developed by the company to ensure integrity of the weld. The weld also needs to be inspected and verified. This is to ensure that it doesn t fail on you in couple years or after one snow season. I doubt anyone other than Tesla or Teslas verified supplier can do this. As to your first point I doubt anyone who s buying an expensive car has to face this issue. Sorry you re in this situation. | 72 | 9 | 2,322 |
8dk4po | 97 | There s a structural defect in my Model S and I m not sure what to do. Hi all My Model S has been at the service center for about two months. I initially brought it in for a few seemingly minor issues - a bad window regulator loose roof panel between the windshield and sunroof and some rattling in the cabin that d been present forever but never annoying enough to warrant a service visit on its own. I ve been in frequent contact with the service center in an effort to discover why it s taking so long and after some vague responses and deflection I finally got an answer. The car isn t at the service center it s at a body shop. The rattle was actually a structural defect in the c-pillar so they want to cut out the rear portion of the side panel and weld in a replacement section. That s all the information I have as apparently it s company policy not to detail actual repair procedures. This is the only new car I ve ever purchased so I don t know what s acceptable in terms of manufacturing defects but this seems excessive. Since delivery in August 2017 my car has had its windshield replaced (odd residue) a door panel repainted (they missed a swath of clear coat) replaced window regulators (twice) and a replaced door handle. It s been in the shop for 20% of the time I ve owned it and now kinda feels like some weird hackjob rather than an expensive new-ish car. I have no interest in adding a hacked up and welded back together side panel to that list. That s a structural element and it s all one piece so there s no way to ever return it to its intended form. It s bad enough that I ve been driving a structurally deficient car for over a year and I don t want to have to question the integrity of the repair or the eventual resale value of the vehicle down the road. But I have absolutely no idea what course of action I should take with Tesla. Lemon law doesn t seem to apply in situations such as this. Is it within my rights to insist they write off the car and replace it? How would I even initiate such a thing? Thanks in advance for your advice. | I had to have a c-pillar cut after someone backed into the rear fender of my Altima. It was fixed just fine but when I went to sell it at Carmax they gave me a terrible offer. Said it was considered frame damage they don t sell cars with frame damage and all they could do was wholesale it. So no I wouldn t accept this. New car please. | You should definitely escalate this. They should have never sent the car to a body shop without your knowledge. Cutting and welding a piece like this will not have the same properties as a single stamped piece. There s a bunch of crappy stuff here and this should either be a buy back from Tesla or a lemon. However read up on the lemon laws in your state as they can vary significantly. Edit: Wait is this a CPO?? | 72 | 17 | 2,323 |
8dk4po | 97 | There s a structural defect in my Model S and I m not sure what to do. Hi all My Model S has been at the service center for about two months. I initially brought it in for a few seemingly minor issues - a bad window regulator loose roof panel between the windshield and sunroof and some rattling in the cabin that d been present forever but never annoying enough to warrant a service visit on its own. I ve been in frequent contact with the service center in an effort to discover why it s taking so long and after some vague responses and deflection I finally got an answer. The car isn t at the service center it s at a body shop. The rattle was actually a structural defect in the c-pillar so they want to cut out the rear portion of the side panel and weld in a replacement section. That s all the information I have as apparently it s company policy not to detail actual repair procedures. This is the only new car I ve ever purchased so I don t know what s acceptable in terms of manufacturing defects but this seems excessive. Since delivery in August 2017 my car has had its windshield replaced (odd residue) a door panel repainted (they missed a swath of clear coat) replaced window regulators (twice) and a replaced door handle. It s been in the shop for 20% of the time I ve owned it and now kinda feels like some weird hackjob rather than an expensive new-ish car. I have no interest in adding a hacked up and welded back together side panel to that list. That s a structural element and it s all one piece so there s no way to ever return it to its intended form. It s bad enough that I ve been driving a structurally deficient car for over a year and I don t want to have to question the integrity of the repair or the eventual resale value of the vehicle down the road. But I have absolutely no idea what course of action I should take with Tesla. Lemon law doesn t seem to apply in situations such as this. Is it within my rights to insist they write off the car and replace it? How would I even initiate such a thing? Thanks in advance for your advice. | Uh... no I wouldn t let this stand. They are going to cut the panel and replace that part of it??? WTF? Escalate immediately. If it s what you say I think they should replace the car. | Structural welds have to be in a controlled environment using procedures developed by the company to ensure integrity of the weld. The weld also needs to be inspected and verified. This is to ensure that it doesn t fail on you in couple years or after one snow season. I doubt anyone other than Tesla or Teslas verified supplier can do this. As to your first point I doubt anyone who s buying an expensive car has to face this issue. Sorry you re in this situation. | 57 | 9 | 2,324 |
8dpk5n | 216 | Comprehensive list of differences between Long Rang and Standard Range Model 3. The Long Range Model 3 offers the following benefits: • Depending on your reservation you may get full **$7 500 tax credit** vs 50% or 25% tax credit. • **Faster Supercharging** due to higher max power levels allowed by spreading power over more cells: 170 miles of range per 30 minutes (82kW average power) SR can add 130 miles of range per 30 minutes (61kW average power) • **48A onboard charger** allowing L2 charging at 11.5kW SR only has a 32A on-board charger (7.7 kW). This may not matter for many existing public L2 chargers which max out at lower power levels and the Model 3 Mobile Adapter is limited to 32A but it could allow faster charging when using a HPWC at Tesla Destination charging locations. The difference is 16A(3.8kW) which equates to an extra 14.6 miles of range per hour of charging. Also you could buy an S X Mobile adapter to charge at 40A. • **More range:** Officially 310 miles vs 220. [But the official EPA range of 310 miles may be understated.](https: electrek.co 2017 10 26 tesla-model-3-range-charging-capacity-underselling-epa-document ) According to EPA documents containing vehicle test data the LR model 3 has a tested range of 334 miles but Tesla voluntarily reduced the vehicle s listed range. This was likely done to keep the more expensive easier to manufacture Model S 100D as the long range champ and give Tesla time to improve S range efficiency. Tesla could have the official range revised upward once other manufacturers produce EVs with similar price range. The net result is that it is probably easier to achieve the official range in the LR Model 3 than any other EV. Range should be very good even in poor weather conditions. • 8 year **120 000 mile battery warranty** vs 8 year 100 000 mile battery warranty • **Battery lifespan** degredation in the LR version is likely to be better because it can cover the same distance using fewer battery cycles less need to fully charge or fully discharge when driving long distances. • **0-60 in 5.1s** SR is a half second slower at 5.6s • **140mph top speed** SR top speed is 130mph I thought this may be a useful addition to the Model 3 Section of our r teslamotors wiki faq. If anybody knows of other differences I missed please add a comment below. | LR exists SR does not exist | Where have you found the information in regards to on-board charger? | 161 | 2 | 2,325 |
8dpk5n | 216 | Comprehensive list of differences between Long Rang and Standard Range Model 3. The Long Range Model 3 offers the following benefits: • Depending on your reservation you may get full **$7 500 tax credit** vs 50% or 25% tax credit. • **Faster Supercharging** due to higher max power levels allowed by spreading power over more cells: 170 miles of range per 30 minutes (82kW average power) SR can add 130 miles of range per 30 minutes (61kW average power) • **48A onboard charger** allowing L2 charging at 11.5kW SR only has a 32A on-board charger (7.7 kW). This may not matter for many existing public L2 chargers which max out at lower power levels and the Model 3 Mobile Adapter is limited to 32A but it could allow faster charging when using a HPWC at Tesla Destination charging locations. The difference is 16A(3.8kW) which equates to an extra 14.6 miles of range per hour of charging. Also you could buy an S X Mobile adapter to charge at 40A. • **More range:** Officially 310 miles vs 220. [But the official EPA range of 310 miles may be understated.](https: electrek.co 2017 10 26 tesla-model-3-range-charging-capacity-underselling-epa-document ) According to EPA documents containing vehicle test data the LR model 3 has a tested range of 334 miles but Tesla voluntarily reduced the vehicle s listed range. This was likely done to keep the more expensive easier to manufacture Model S 100D as the long range champ and give Tesla time to improve S range efficiency. Tesla could have the official range revised upward once other manufacturers produce EVs with similar price range. The net result is that it is probably easier to achieve the official range in the LR Model 3 than any other EV. Range should be very good even in poor weather conditions. • 8 year **120 000 mile battery warranty** vs 8 year 100 000 mile battery warranty • **Battery lifespan** degredation in the LR version is likely to be better because it can cover the same distance using fewer battery cycles less need to fully charge or fully discharge when driving long distances. • **0-60 in 5.1s** SR is a half second slower at 5.6s • **140mph top speed** SR top speed is 130mph I thought this may be a useful addition to the Model 3 Section of our r teslamotors wiki faq. If anybody knows of other differences I missed please add a comment below. | LR exists SR does not exist | > According to EPA documents containing vehicle test data the LR model 3 has a tested range of 334 miles but Tesla voluntarily reduced the vehicle s listed range. This makes sense given that 330=1.5*220 and the LR has 1.5x the battery capacity. | 161 | 3 | 2,326 |
8dpk5n | 216 | Comprehensive list of differences between Long Rang and Standard Range Model 3. The Long Range Model 3 offers the following benefits: • Depending on your reservation you may get full **$7 500 tax credit** vs 50% or 25% tax credit. • **Faster Supercharging** due to higher max power levels allowed by spreading power over more cells: 170 miles of range per 30 minutes (82kW average power) SR can add 130 miles of range per 30 minutes (61kW average power) • **48A onboard charger** allowing L2 charging at 11.5kW SR only has a 32A on-board charger (7.7 kW). This may not matter for many existing public L2 chargers which max out at lower power levels and the Model 3 Mobile Adapter is limited to 32A but it could allow faster charging when using a HPWC at Tesla Destination charging locations. The difference is 16A(3.8kW) which equates to an extra 14.6 miles of range per hour of charging. Also you could buy an S X Mobile adapter to charge at 40A. • **More range:** Officially 310 miles vs 220. [But the official EPA range of 310 miles may be understated.](https: electrek.co 2017 10 26 tesla-model-3-range-charging-capacity-underselling-epa-document ) According to EPA documents containing vehicle test data the LR model 3 has a tested range of 334 miles but Tesla voluntarily reduced the vehicle s listed range. This was likely done to keep the more expensive easier to manufacture Model S 100D as the long range champ and give Tesla time to improve S range efficiency. Tesla could have the official range revised upward once other manufacturers produce EVs with similar price range. The net result is that it is probably easier to achieve the official range in the LR Model 3 than any other EV. Range should be very good even in poor weather conditions. • 8 year **120 000 mile battery warranty** vs 8 year 100 000 mile battery warranty • **Battery lifespan** degredation in the LR version is likely to be better because it can cover the same distance using fewer battery cycles less need to fully charge or fully discharge when driving long distances. • **0-60 in 5.1s** SR is a half second slower at 5.6s • **140mph top speed** SR top speed is 130mph I thought this may be a useful addition to the Model 3 Section of our r teslamotors wiki faq. If anybody knows of other differences I missed please add a comment below. | LR exists SR does not exist | IIRC the LR is 500 lbs heavier? | 161 | 4 | 2,327 |
8dsjyf | 334 | How I easily fixed my 3 s hard to close trunk So after watching Elon s factory tour I saw a worker pressing on the trunk seals all the way around and figured I d give it a shot. I just went and gave a firm press all along the seals and now the trunk closes normally. https: imgur.com a cc2OjoH Edit: Here s the clip: https: youtu.be lOz7cPJQd8E?t=232 | Expanding brain meme: Building cars the right way : Head with small brain Tesla making quality check : Normal brain Taking your car to the SC for repair : Expanding brain Figuring out how to fix your car defect from an Elon interview showing how to fix your problem : Superior Expanding brain [meme](https: i.imgur.com NKZCoQ6.jpg) | QA outsourced But good to know thx | 182 | 55 | 2,328 |
8dsjyf | 334 | How I easily fixed my 3 s hard to close trunk So after watching Elon s factory tour I saw a worker pressing on the trunk seals all the way around and figured I d give it a shot. I just went and gave a firm press all along the seals and now the trunk closes normally. https: imgur.com a cc2OjoH Edit: Here s the clip: https: youtu.be lOz7cPJQd8E?t=232 | Expanding brain meme: Building cars the right way : Head with small brain Tesla making quality check : Normal brain Taking your car to the SC for repair : Expanding brain Figuring out how to fix your car defect from an Elon interview showing how to fix your problem : Superior Expanding brain [meme](https: i.imgur.com NKZCoQ6.jpg) | Thanks for sharing. I will try this. My trunk requires too much force to close. | 182 | 87 | 2,329 |
8dsjyf | 334 | How I easily fixed my 3 s hard to close trunk So after watching Elon s factory tour I saw a worker pressing on the trunk seals all the way around and figured I d give it a shot. I just went and gave a firm press all along the seals and now the trunk closes normally. https: imgur.com a cc2OjoH Edit: Here s the clip: https: youtu.be lOz7cPJQd8E?t=232 | Thanks for sharing. I will try this. My trunk requires too much force to close. | QA outsourced But good to know thx | 87 | 55 | 2,330 |
8dva36 | 102 | Intelligently choosing which Supercharger stall to use When you pull into a Supercharger at which cars are already charging it would be great if you didn t have to guess which is the optimal stall to pull into to get the fastest charge rate. If there s a Supercharger not already being used it s easy you just use that one. But if there is already a car at each Supercharger if you pull in and share one ~~each car will charge more slowly~~ the car already there will take all the power it needs and you only receive what s left over (Bjorn has a video. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=07T8yKvKCz0). It would be great if Tesla s software would tell you the optimal one to use in this case. Say it s a four bay Supercharger with 1A 1B 2A 2B and cars are already charging on 1A & 2A. If the car on 1A is at 90% full and 2A is at 20% it s better for everyone if the third car plugs in at 1B since 1A is nearly done charging and doesn t need as much power anyway. Tesla has the data on the state of charge of the cars already plugged in. Why don t they use it to advise the optimal stall to choose? This would speed up turnover at the Superchargers and make everyone happier. | I ve been saying this for awhile now. It just isn t on their highest priorities | Just put a green light on top of each Supercharger stall that identifies the best spot. | 45 | 12 | 2,331 |
8eaqa3 | 53 | [Discussion] Why does the model 3 s tire rotation cost so much?? and are you paying the amount I was quoted? $185? This is an insane price for a tire rotation. What am I missing? My local Toyota charges $22... | Is there a reason you have to use Tesla to do a tire rotation? Couldn t any tire shop do it? | From Tesla? And that was the only thing you had done? That s ridiculous. That s why I m getting an extra tire so I can rotate in a fifth tire with Tesla s weird jack point. | 60 | 16 | 2,332 |
8eaqa3 | 53 | [Discussion] Why does the model 3 s tire rotation cost so much?? and are you paying the amount I was quoted? $185? This is an insane price for a tire rotation. What am I missing? My local Toyota charges $22... | Is there a reason you have to use Tesla to do a tire rotation? Couldn t any tire shop do it? | Everything at Tesla is too expensive. A wheel alignment was $210 for my S | 60 | 21 | 2,333 |
8eaqa3 | 53 | [Discussion] Why does the model 3 s tire rotation cost so much?? and are you paying the amount I was quoted? $185? This is an insane price for a tire rotation. What am I missing? My local Toyota charges $22... | Is there a reason you have to use Tesla to do a tire rotation? Couldn t any tire shop do it? | My car doesn t come for a few weeks but I asked Costco if they would be able to do it. They said they have an instruction sheet that prints out for each car model to tell them how to raise it so I m hoping they work out. I don t have the price on hand but I m sure it s close to the $22 Toyota charged you. Costco will rotate tires they did not sell as long as you are a member. | 60 | 29 | 2,334 |
8ecvbn | 21 | Model 3 with a family: share your experiences Hi I have two children (2 and 5 yrs). Waiting for the delivery of my Model 3 in 2019. Can you share your experience with Model 3 and a family. Is the trunk enough? Did you had problems fitting a stroller? Did you had to make compromises to fit your family in the Model 3. | No compromises. Its a great family car and the trunk space is enough for me. I have a 4 year old and a small dog. One thing that is very annoying though is that the rear doors do not have individual child-lock (on the settings) so if my wife is sitting in the back with the child she is always trapped and I always have to go through a few touches on the panel to unlock the rear doors. Wish i could set the setting to keep one of the doors with child lock and the other without. This should be an easy software update but my tweets to tesla and elon are unsuccessful. I ve also mentioned it in the bug report. | You should check out the Like Tesla YouTube channel. | 32 | 5 | 2,335 |
8ei6s3 | 51 | Switched up Model 3 order by adding 19” tires for faster delivery to get Seattle tax savings I just switched up my tires from 18” to 19” in order to speed up delivery to Seattle - I d rather get the entire tax savings than save the $1500! Anyone else make the switch in Seattle or elsewhere for faster delivery? They even waived the $500 change fee without me asking! | This will be like changing lanes in heavy traffic. | I m curious if that works. Was at the owner symposium in Bellevue Sunday and most of the 3 s were aero wheels on them. | 35 | 4 | 2,336 |
8epiw4 | 352 | Model 3 - 10k miles Report - Not a single issue never visited the service center Just want to give a shoutout to Tesla team for delivering such high quality product. Only issue was Bluetooth key on Android phone which was fixed after updates. Autopilot is keep getting better - at least 6k of those miles would be on Autopilot. I hope everyone gives Tesla a break this car is an all round winner - Tesla deserves it for making it. [10k miles on Model 3](https: vgy.me Enk5Oe.jpg) | Nice. I m at about 3600 currently with one service center visit for cosmetic stuff but the car has been great. By far one of the best things I ve bought in my life. Right up there with pizza and tacos. | Jesus son. That s a ton of miles | 98 | 14 | 2,337 |
8epiw4 | 352 | Model 3 - 10k miles Report - Not a single issue never visited the service center Just want to give a shoutout to Tesla team for delivering such high quality product. Only issue was Bluetooth key on Android phone which was fixed after updates. Autopilot is keep getting better - at least 6k of those miles would be on Autopilot. I hope everyone gives Tesla a break this car is an all round winner - Tesla deserves it for making it. [10k miles on Model 3](https: vgy.me Enk5Oe.jpg) | Nice! I wish that was our story. 8k miles. 6 times serviced. Going for a 7th soon to replace suspension (early December build). | 250 miles in so far and loving it. Agree that autopilot is fantastic even this early. Unfortunately I had a couple issues after delivery. my AC never worked and the front windows don t fully roll down (why both?? so hot in here...). Service center this Friday then hopefully smooth sailing. | 42 | 6 | 2,338 |
8epiw4 | 352 | Model 3 - 10k miles Report - Not a single issue never visited the service center Just want to give a shoutout to Tesla team for delivering such high quality product. Only issue was Bluetooth key on Android phone which was fixed after updates. Autopilot is keep getting better - at least 6k of those miles would be on Autopilot. I hope everyone gives Tesla a break this car is an all round winner - Tesla deserves it for making it. [10k miles on Model 3](https: vgy.me Enk5Oe.jpg) | I wish more people shared their “I haven t had any issue stories”. | 250 miles in so far and loving it. Agree that autopilot is fantastic even this early. Unfortunately I had a couple issues after delivery. my AC never worked and the front windows don t fully roll down (why both?? so hot in here...). Service center this Friday then hopefully smooth sailing. | 42 | 6 | 2,339 |
8ev972 | 26 | [Discussion] How Would You Change the Tesla iPhone App? This past weekend I had the great opportunity to rent a Model X from a local owner. He was gracious enough to give me access to his Tesla login so I could use the iOS app and get the whole ownership experience. With the latest update I thought the app was amazing especially being able to use Siri to get details about the vehicle. I read through a number of the reviews in the App Store and saw a lot of comments about more. And it got me wondering...what *more* could the app do? I thought it might be fun to talk about feature enhancements others would like to see in the app. | Live streaming dash cam functionality of course. Also initiate the install of software updates without going to the car and read release notes. Maybe also manage access keys and phones. PS: if you re wondering what more it can do look at BMW connected. You can schedule service talk to roadside assistance track efficiency read the owners manual input destinations for the car s nav (imported from other mobile apps) link other services like (ahem) Spotify etc. | First mfa to start and unlock the car. | 36 | 4 | 2,340 |
8ev972 | 26 | [Discussion] How Would You Change the Tesla iPhone App? This past weekend I had the great opportunity to rent a Model X from a local owner. He was gracious enough to give me access to his Tesla login so I could use the iOS app and get the whole ownership experience. With the latest update I thought the app was amazing especially being able to use Siri to get details about the vehicle. I read through a number of the reviews in the App Store and saw a lot of comments about more. And it got me wondering...what *more* could the app do? I thought it might be fun to talk about feature enhancements others would like to see in the app. | Live streaming dash cam functionality of course. Also initiate the install of software updates without going to the car and read release notes. Maybe also manage access keys and phones. PS: if you re wondering what more it can do look at BMW connected. You can schedule service talk to roadside assistance track efficiency read the owners manual input destinations for the car s nav (imported from other mobile apps) link other services like (ahem) Spotify etc. | I m a simple human. I just want to be able to tap the mileage or percentage and toggle between the two. Instead you have to go change the display settings in the car. | 36 | 10 | 2,341 |
8exf0g | 56 | Less than ideal customer service from RPM Tesla I am encountering some less than ideal customer service from RPM Tesla and wanted to see if anyone else has experienced something similar. The short story is I ordered a model 3 vinyl wrap set for my center console and decided I wanted to change to a different one. I never installed it and it was in original packaging never opened. Here is the timeline of what has happened: 3 4: Placed original order 3 26: Sent email asking if I could exchange for a different one. 4 1: No response so I sent an email asking for a follow up 4 1: RPM Tesla responds and says sure thing. Just return the one I bought and they will ship me the one I want instead. 4 2: I pay to ship it back and ship it. 4 5: My return is delivered based on tracking info 4 10: I email to ask if they received it and if they sent out the replacement. 4 16: Still no response from RPM Tesla so I follow up again. 4 18: Still no response so I follow up again. 4 18: RPM Tesla responds and says they ll get it in the mail right away 4 24: Hasn t arrived so I follow up again to see if they have a tracking number or can confirm they sent the replacement. I let them know I ll do a charge back on 4 27 if I don t hear back. No response. Rather disappointed but understand companies get busy etc. but it s been three weeks since my return was delivered and I don t even know if they shipped out the replacement set. Kind of a bummer because their vinyl wrap sets look great and I want one for my Model 3 but perhaps their biz has outgrown the existing processes they have in place for customer service? Twiddling my thumbs over here. | I wish I could find this other post about RPM. Basically guy bought a cup holder set and they were cut like shit and looked like crap when put on then RPM blamed the OP for bad installation. They sound like a dick of a company. | That s pretty shitty. | 30 | 3 | 2,342 |
8exf0g | 56 | Less than ideal customer service from RPM Tesla I am encountering some less than ideal customer service from RPM Tesla and wanted to see if anyone else has experienced something similar. The short story is I ordered a model 3 vinyl wrap set for my center console and decided I wanted to change to a different one. I never installed it and it was in original packaging never opened. Here is the timeline of what has happened: 3 4: Placed original order 3 26: Sent email asking if I could exchange for a different one. 4 1: No response so I sent an email asking for a follow up 4 1: RPM Tesla responds and says sure thing. Just return the one I bought and they will ship me the one I want instead. 4 2: I pay to ship it back and ship it. 4 5: My return is delivered based on tracking info 4 10: I email to ask if they received it and if they sent out the replacement. 4 16: Still no response from RPM Tesla so I follow up again. 4 18: Still no response so I follow up again. 4 18: RPM Tesla responds and says they ll get it in the mail right away 4 24: Hasn t arrived so I follow up again to see if they have a tracking number or can confirm they sent the replacement. I let them know I ll do a charge back on 4 27 if I don t hear back. No response. Rather disappointed but understand companies get busy etc. but it s been three weeks since my return was delivered and I don t even know if they shipped out the replacement set. Kind of a bummer because their vinyl wrap sets look great and I want one for my Model 3 but perhaps their biz has outgrown the existing processes they have in place for customer service? Twiddling my thumbs over here. | I wish I could find this other post about RPM. Basically guy bought a cup holder set and they were cut like shit and looked like crap when put on then RPM blamed the OP for bad installation. They sound like a dick of a company. | I ordered a center console wrap and received a windshield noise reduction kit. Emailed on Saturday and got a quick response saying they ll have a return label for the kit and will ship off the console wrap on Monday. Didn t hear back after that. Emailed yesterday and no response. | 30 | 3 | 2,343 |
8exf0g | 56 | Less than ideal customer service from RPM Tesla I am encountering some less than ideal customer service from RPM Tesla and wanted to see if anyone else has experienced something similar. The short story is I ordered a model 3 vinyl wrap set for my center console and decided I wanted to change to a different one. I never installed it and it was in original packaging never opened. Here is the timeline of what has happened: 3 4: Placed original order 3 26: Sent email asking if I could exchange for a different one. 4 1: No response so I sent an email asking for a follow up 4 1: RPM Tesla responds and says sure thing. Just return the one I bought and they will ship me the one I want instead. 4 2: I pay to ship it back and ship it. 4 5: My return is delivered based on tracking info 4 10: I email to ask if they received it and if they sent out the replacement. 4 16: Still no response from RPM Tesla so I follow up again. 4 18: Still no response so I follow up again. 4 18: RPM Tesla responds and says they ll get it in the mail right away 4 24: Hasn t arrived so I follow up again to see if they have a tracking number or can confirm they sent the replacement. I let them know I ll do a charge back on 4 27 if I don t hear back. No response. Rather disappointed but understand companies get busy etc. but it s been three weeks since my return was delivered and I don t even know if they shipped out the replacement set. Kind of a bummer because their vinyl wrap sets look great and I want one for my Model 3 but perhaps their biz has outgrown the existing processes they have in place for customer service? Twiddling my thumbs over here. | I wish I could find this other post about RPM. Basically guy bought a cup holder set and they were cut like shit and looked like crap when put on then RPM blamed the OP for bad installation. They sound like a dick of a company. | I ordered a console wrap for my 3 last week. No communication from them since order. No idea when it will ship or anything. Haven t tried to ask them yet what the status is just thought it s weird in the age of Amazon and constant updates and such. | 30 | 3 | 2,344 |
8f41fh | 1,725 | [Meta] Today r TeslaMotors will likely hit 250 000 subscribers (a Quarter Million!) and the largest subreddit for any auto manufacturer! We currently average 500 a day! Other notable auto subs include: r Subaru - 99 000 r BMW - 66 000 r Volkswagen - 36 000 r Porsche - 33 000 | Both r SpaceX and r TeslaMotors reach a quarter million subscribers on the same day? Neat. | Awesome! It is nice to see how active the subreddit is and how much discussion goes on. | 148 | 3 | 2,345 |
8f41fh | 1,725 | [Meta] Today r TeslaMotors will likely hit 250 000 subscribers (a Quarter Million!) and the largest subreddit for any auto manufacturer! We currently average 500 a day! Other notable auto subs include: r Subaru - 99 000 r BMW - 66 000 r Volkswagen - 36 000 r Porsche - 33 000 | Both r SpaceX and r TeslaMotors reach a quarter million subscribers on the same day? Neat. | The real question is how many of those subscribers are bots owned by TSLA shorts who are waiting to unsubscribe them all and claim SEE TESLA IS DOOMED THEY LOST 150K REDDITORS OVERNIGHT! -) | 148 | 9 | 2,346 |
8f41fh | 1,725 | [Meta] Today r TeslaMotors will likely hit 250 000 subscribers (a Quarter Million!) and the largest subreddit for any auto manufacturer! We currently average 500 a day! Other notable auto subs include: r Subaru - 99 000 r BMW - 66 000 r Volkswagen - 36 000 r Porsche - 33 000 | Both r SpaceX and r TeslaMotors reach a quarter million subscribers on the same day? Neat. | There is also r teslamodel3 Not nearly as many subscribers but they allow personal experiences random photos etc that often gets filtered from this sub. Good for the diehards that want to get as much tm3 as possible. | 148 | 14 | 2,347 |
8f8tp3 | 41 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | My car had some cosmetic issues at delivery scratches and paint imperfections. I had one panel gap on a tail light. I took the car that day with the promise they d fix the issues at a service visit free of charge. 10 minutes after driving away the experience was amazing and all the cosmetic issues went out the window. It s hard to say if your issues are worse or not without seeing the car in person but my feeling on these kinds of problems are as long as your average person can t notice than I don t care. You might be different and that s ok. Some people can t stand looking at issues even if only they know it s there. I also know I couldn t bear another wait for another vin but again that s me. Question though: what spec are they referring to when they say the gaps are within spec? | People bitch too much about panel gaps. Enough said | 34 | 5 | 2,348 |
8f8tp3 | 41 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | It s your money. And it s not a cheap car. So it s entirely up to you whether this is reasonable or not. There s no wrong answer here everybody will come to it from a different perspective with different expectations. If you re looking for permission to insist on a new vehicle - you have it. The pillar issue could be a big one and I wouldn t simply accept on blind faith that the same organization that couldn t see the problem originally will fix the problem - correctly - subsequently. It s your call - good luck! | People bitch too much about panel gaps. Enough said | 34 | 5 | 2,349 |
8f8tp3 | 41 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | My car had some cosmetic issues at delivery scratches and paint imperfections. I had one panel gap on a tail light. I took the car that day with the promise they d fix the issues at a service visit free of charge. 10 minutes after driving away the experience was amazing and all the cosmetic issues went out the window. It s hard to say if your issues are worse or not without seeing the car in person but my feeling on these kinds of problems are as long as your average person can t notice than I don t care. You might be different and that s ok. Some people can t stand looking at issues even if only they know it s there. I also know I couldn t bear another wait for another vin but again that s me. Question though: what spec are they referring to when they say the gaps are within spec? | What s the vin(roughly)? | 34 | 6 | 2,350 |
8fd2fq | 84 | When tesla develops a truly autonomous driving system you could order your car online and have it drive itself over night and be in your driveway when you wake up Just imagine how cool that would be | I d rather a Tesla truck is loaded with deliveries and each one is launched out the back Knight Rider style then drives the last few miles to my house. | When they learn how to fly through the space you will be able to order one from the Earth to the Mars being bloody drunk and drive across the universe with no hands on a string wheel. Yipikayay! I m sorry 😗 | 50 | 2 | 2,351 |
8fd2fq | 84 | When tesla develops a truly autonomous driving system you could order your car online and have it drive itself over night and be in your driveway when you wake up Just imagine how cool that would be | I d rather a Tesla truck is loaded with deliveries and each one is launched out the back Knight Rider style then drives the last few miles to my house. | The opportunities are endless!!! | 50 | 4 | 2,352 |
8fd2fq | 84 | When tesla develops a truly autonomous driving system you could order your car online and have it drive itself over night and be in your driveway when you wake up Just imagine how cool that would be | I d rather a Tesla truck is loaded with deliveries and each one is launched out the back Knight Rider style then drives the last few miles to my house. | Best.... Surprise.... Ever! | 50 | 5 | 2,353 |
8fifgc | 126 | Other crazy EV owner story! My Exciting Evening... There s a charging station at a parking structure close to my place so I go there and park at one of the spaces. Next to my car there was a Chevy Spark that had the charger unplugged and was on the ground. Looked like someone unplugged her and it also looks like she purposely parked over the cord so no one else can use it except her. So I laughed a little bit no big deal I plug in my own personal charger at the stations outlet. 3 minutes later when I was about to walk home truck pulls up with her and her husband coming out walking towards me and she starts screaming YOU DON T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO UNPLUG MY CAR!! I told her to calm down and back off. It wasn t me who unplugged her. She says you re a fucking liar! you were here earlier And I told her I don t care what you think it wasn t me. Her husband says You have a Tesla why don t you go charge somewhere else? Or at a Tesla charger? I told him I could charge wherever I want but it has nothing to do with me unplugging her car which I didn t. And I told her maybe people unplug her car because she hogs that spot all day everyday and I read all the comments on PlugShare with horror stories on her with photos included. Then she tells me she doesn t give a shit about the lies I read about her and I told her I didn t believe it until now. She starts yelling at me some more and I ignore her and tell her husband “look dude space was free next to it I parked and I put in my own charger. What sense does it make for me to unplug her shit.” “You either all calm down or we are going to have a problem here because I m not moving” Husband looks at me and I look right back at him and knows I m not fucking around or lying. And I told him I can t even use the stations plug anyway since his wife parked over the cord so they can plug the charger right back in and to stop wasting my time. Then he realized they were being stupid and he apologizes and tells his wife to just plug in and leave. Psycho says “fuck it I don t trust my car with him around” and she speeds right out. The husband apologizes again and says to have a good night. I tell him no worries and he leaves. After they left I camped in my car for another hour and that crazy lady came back to see if I was still there at least 3 more times. | You should share the charger... I would love to read the comments on plugshare. | Wow... Some people huh. | 58 | 7 | 2,354 |
8fmkaf | 94 | RPM Tesla Wrap Quality After seeing some beautifully wrapped center consoles I decided to purchase a carbon fiber vinyl wrap from RPM Tesla to wrap my model 3 console and cup holders. I received my package today and the stories of hand-cut misshapen cutouts were true. https: imgur.com gallery 0e7omXf I m pretty disappointed as the actual vinyl seems to be directly obtained from 3M so all RPM had to do was cut and they did that very poorly. edit: I put in the bracelets to show just how un-uniformly round the cutouts are. | If you add this to the multiple recent posts complaining about poor customer service broken promises and bad quality it sadly seems that RPMTesla should be avoided until they get their act together. | Uh oh I ve got some coming in the mail and I would be pretty miffed at this quality especially at the price they charge. Have you contacted them to see if they ll send you a replacement? | 60 | 7 | 2,355 |
8fmkaf | 94 | RPM Tesla Wrap Quality After seeing some beautifully wrapped center consoles I decided to purchase a carbon fiber vinyl wrap from RPM Tesla to wrap my model 3 console and cup holders. I received my package today and the stories of hand-cut misshapen cutouts were true. https: imgur.com gallery 0e7omXf I m pretty disappointed as the actual vinyl seems to be directly obtained from 3M so all RPM had to do was cut and they did that very poorly. edit: I put in the bracelets to show just how un-uniformly round the cutouts are. | If you add this to the multiple recent posts complaining about poor customer service broken promises and bad quality it sadly seems that RPMTesla should be avoided until they get their act together. | Why is only one company making this stuff? I m going to wait for some competition in this space. | 60 | 8 | 2,356 |
8fmkaf | 94 | RPM Tesla Wrap Quality After seeing some beautifully wrapped center consoles I decided to purchase a carbon fiber vinyl wrap from RPM Tesla to wrap my model 3 console and cup holders. I received my package today and the stories of hand-cut misshapen cutouts were true. https: imgur.com gallery 0e7omXf I m pretty disappointed as the actual vinyl seems to be directly obtained from 3M so all RPM had to do was cut and they did that very poorly. edit: I put in the bracelets to show just how un-uniformly round the cutouts are. | If you add this to the multiple recent posts complaining about poor customer service broken promises and bad quality it sadly seems that RPMTesla should be avoided until they get their act together. | You d think they d have the xpel software for cutting considering how big they are. | 60 | 12 | 2,357 |
8fmnb4 | 84 | Not Pleased With How Some People Treat Teslas The Model 3 is my first Tesla and I wasn t aware some people didn t like Tesla. I ve had occurrences of people speeding to pass me and staring me down. Both instances happened while I was on an onramp. Maybe it s my driving? Maybe I didn t accelerate fast enough for them? And I just found someone s gum on my windshield after coming back from Costco. Really? Why would you need to do that? I m fine with the stare downs but don t put your filfth on my car. I carry cleaning stuff with me so I wasn t mad. I was just disappointed. | Then you have people like me who just drool over them as they go down the road. | It s human nature at its worst. First some years ago some people laughed about the idea that electric cars will come to put an end of fossil fuel cars era now you are driving a car which symbolize this end. Some people are very bad in accepting the idea that this era so their world will come to an end. It s like saying to this person that all it s life was a mistake. If it can some how make you more happy you can think that these attitudes are the proofs that even electric cars haters are now beginning to believe that electric cars are winning the fight or...they are anxious about their fossil fuel stocks or other stocks that will suffer from electric cars or batteries invasion etc...:) | 53 | 2 | 2,358 |
8fmnb4 | 84 | Not Pleased With How Some People Treat Teslas The Model 3 is my first Tesla and I wasn t aware some people didn t like Tesla. I ve had occurrences of people speeding to pass me and staring me down. Both instances happened while I was on an onramp. Maybe it s my driving? Maybe I didn t accelerate fast enough for them? And I just found someone s gum on my windshield after coming back from Costco. Really? Why would you need to do that? I m fine with the stare downs but don t put your filfth on my car. I carry cleaning stuff with me so I wasn t mad. I was just disappointed. | Then you have people like me who just drool over them as they go down the road. | Do a DNA test on the gum. Find person and have him pay for the damages. Edit: you guys are ridiculous -_- | 53 | 3 | 2,359 |
8fmnb4 | 84 | Not Pleased With How Some People Treat Teslas The Model 3 is my first Tesla and I wasn t aware some people didn t like Tesla. I ve had occurrences of people speeding to pass me and staring me down. Both instances happened while I was on an onramp. Maybe it s my driving? Maybe I didn t accelerate fast enough for them? And I just found someone s gum on my windshield after coming back from Costco. Really? Why would you need to do that? I m fine with the stare downs but don t put your filfth on my car. I carry cleaning stuff with me so I wasn t mad. I was just disappointed. | Then you have people like me who just drool over them as they go down the road. | UAW supporters maybe? | 53 | 5 | 2,360 |
8fwk9j | 279 | No issues with M3 All these people bringing up issues with their cars. I just want to say I found 0 issues. Spent 15 minutes during delivery going through the checklist. Haven t found anything 1 week in either. Love my red model 3. Vin:13xxx | Wow this is great to hear. It s good to see posts like this that help cut through the negativity surrounding every new Tesla ramp. | I would like to see a poll spreadsheet on Model 3 build quality including the VIN.... I agree those with problems are more likely to post them so far it is hard to get an accurate handle on how many issues there really are. | 90 | 13 | 2,361 |
8fwk9j | 279 | No issues with M3 All these people bringing up issues with their cars. I just want to say I found 0 issues. Spent 15 minutes during delivery going through the checklist. Haven t found anything 1 week in either. Love my red model 3. Vin:13xxx | Same. Picked up Friday. Zero issues. (Ok. One time it didn t pick up phone via Bluetooth to play music. Disconnected and reconnected. Worked fine) | Thanks for sharing!! I get mine in 2 weeks!! | 65 | 6 | 2,362 |
8fwk9j | 279 | No issues with M3 All these people bringing up issues with their cars. I just want to say I found 0 issues. Spent 15 minutes during delivery going through the checklist. Haven t found anything 1 week in either. Love my red model 3. Vin:13xxx | Same. Picked up Friday. Zero issues. (Ok. One time it didn t pick up phone via Bluetooth to play music. Disconnected and reconnected. Worked fine) | I would like to see a poll spreadsheet on Model 3 build quality including the VIN.... I agree those with problems are more likely to post them so far it is hard to get an accurate handle on how many issues there really are. | 65 | 13 | 2,363 |
8g0jzk | 144 | I just did my first road trip in the Model 3 and it is fantastic I have had my 3 for about 10 days now and I had only driven it on my commute about 20 miles each day. This weekend I took it on the first road trip from the Bay Area to Yosemite. The car was fantastic supercharging was a simple and painless experience and I love the car even more after the trip. The highlights: * Autopilot works well even on winding roads. When you are on a two-way road with speed limits that reduce when approaching a town autopilot will automatically reduce your maximum speed to 5 mph over the limit. This increases safety and reduces driver fatigue. * Plenty of supercharger stalls at both Manteca and Groveland you just plug it in and Tesla figures out authentication and payment. I am coming from the M-B B250e which I simply couldn t take on this long a trip. When public charging on that car I had to figure out how to pay which was hit and miss. * This car really flies. When you are stuck on a one-lane road behind a minivan doing 50 in a 55 zone and there s a short straight stretch where passing is legal you want to do that quickly. The first time I hit the accelerator hard and in perhaps 2-3 seconds I was doing 90 mph! * The lack of engine noise in a 4 hour drive really makes a difference to how tired you feel at the end. The ride is really smooth and comfortable on freeways and back roads. * The frunk really helps. I thought this was mostly a gimmick but it helped get all of our stuff in comfortably. It would be even better if: * We could control music from an iPod phone on the huge display. Tesla should either provide that functionality over bluetooth or enable Android Auto CarPlay in a portion of the screen. * Autopilot gave some indication that it s still going to do its thing when I signal a lane change. It sometimes just keeps blinking and does nothing. A beep of some sort indicating failure would be nice so I can take over and make the lane change myself. I finally have no reason to hold on to an ICE car. I can do long road trips with this car so I will be ICE-free soon. | I passed a car in my X90D this weekend on a 2 hour drive. Apparently I hit 98mph because my son in the back seat immediately said I m telling mom you went 98 It doesn t not take much time to get up to speed to overtake a slower vehicle. | Nice review! How many miles driven? What wheels? Avg wh mi? | 63 | 10 | 2,364 |
8gheny | 332 | Tesla (TSLA) first quarter 2018 results and conference call - Official Thread Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its first quarter 2018 financial results today May 2 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=188711) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 3522680997x0x979026 44C49236-1FC2-4FD9-80B1-495ED74E4194 TSLA_Update_Letter_2018-1Q.pdf) Please keep the posts related to the earnings in this thread ____________ **Deliveries** As usual Tesla s deliveries drive most of its earning results since vehicle sales represent the automaker s main revenue stream at the moment. Tesla already confirmed its first quarter 2018 deliveries: 29 980 vehicles – a new record for the company thanks to the Model 3 production ramp starting to produce decent numbers. They ended up delivering 11 730 Model S vehicles 10 070 Model X vehicles and 8 180 Model 3 vehicles. Those numbers are adjusted slightly during the release of the earnings. Additionally 4 060 Model S and X vehicles and 2 040 Model 3 vehicles were in transit to customers at the end of the quarter according to the company. Here are Tesla quarterly global deliveries of all current vehicles in production since their launches: https: i.imgur.com B4zIyXi.jpeg **Revenue** Wall Street s revenue consensus is $3.142 billion for the quarter and Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts almost the same result: $3.233 billion in revenue. They predict a slight drop from the $3.288 billion that Tesla brought in during the previous quarter but it s a significant increase over the $2.696 billion that they brought over the same period last year (Q1 2017). The predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com A74EOvz.jpeg Even though Tesla delivered slightly more vehicles this quarter than ever before – including more than during the last quarter which was a record quarter for revenue for Tesla revenue are expected to be down because Model S and Model X deliveries are down and the record deliveries was due to Model 3 which is less expensive. Tesla s energy division could still surprise and make a difference but it remains to be seen. **Earnings** Earnings per share or rather loss per share is expected to plunge again for the quarter. Like for revenue the expectations are again close for both the street and retail investors. The Wall Street consensus is a loss of $3.26 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is a loss $3.19 per share. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 6O0vBvI.jpeg Tesla has invested for the production of 5 000 Model 3s per week and every time it doesn t reach that it is going to take a hard hit for the earnings. The situation improved a lot over the last quarter but the company is still behind its goal and therefore the prediction is still of a significant loss for the first quarter 2018. **Other expectations for the shareholders letter and analyst call** Obviously we expect that a fair amount of the conference call and shareholders letter to revolve around Model 3 production and how it has evolved recently. But we already got a pretty good update from when we obtain an email from Elon Musk to employees two weeks ago. With this said investors and Model 3 reservation holders would certainly appreciate another update – especially about the results of the production line update that happened during the production shutdown. Tesla did upgrades with the goal to end the second quarter at 5 000 Model 3 vehicles per week and that goal will likely be an important part of the earnings and conference call. It is linked with the Model 3 vehicle program becoming profitable and Musk now says that he expects Tesla to be profitable in Q3 and Q4. Those expectations are directly linked to Tesla achieving the Model 3 production goals and therefore investors will be looking at some reassurance that Tesla can achieve the production rate. A few other interesting points that I expect Tesla will address include plans for production in China now that the door appears to be open timing on Model Y since news came out that Tesla was aiming for a start of production in November 2019 and even though the company and Musk directly addressed it a few times recently I expect analysts will want more details about Tesla s plan not to raise capital this year. As for Tesla Energy news I expect that solar deployment will still be slow but it should be an interesting quarter on the energy storage front. I wouldn t be surprised if it ends up being a record quarter. | Not saying they re doomed or anything but the refusal to answer basic questions [does draw an unfortunate comparison](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=FSK0v0vTgXA). | Is the conference call available to stream in the model 3 (no browser but could use Slacker TuneIn possibly?)? | 213 | 2 | 2,365 |
8gheny | 332 | Tesla (TSLA) first quarter 2018 results and conference call - Official Thread Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its first quarter 2018 financial results today May 2 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=188711) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 3522680997x0x979026 44C49236-1FC2-4FD9-80B1-495ED74E4194 TSLA_Update_Letter_2018-1Q.pdf) Please keep the posts related to the earnings in this thread ____________ **Deliveries** As usual Tesla s deliveries drive most of its earning results since vehicle sales represent the automaker s main revenue stream at the moment. Tesla already confirmed its first quarter 2018 deliveries: 29 980 vehicles – a new record for the company thanks to the Model 3 production ramp starting to produce decent numbers. They ended up delivering 11 730 Model S vehicles 10 070 Model X vehicles and 8 180 Model 3 vehicles. Those numbers are adjusted slightly during the release of the earnings. Additionally 4 060 Model S and X vehicles and 2 040 Model 3 vehicles were in transit to customers at the end of the quarter according to the company. Here are Tesla quarterly global deliveries of all current vehicles in production since their launches: https: i.imgur.com B4zIyXi.jpeg **Revenue** Wall Street s revenue consensus is $3.142 billion for the quarter and Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts almost the same result: $3.233 billion in revenue. They predict a slight drop from the $3.288 billion that Tesla brought in during the previous quarter but it s a significant increase over the $2.696 billion that they brought over the same period last year (Q1 2017). The predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com A74EOvz.jpeg Even though Tesla delivered slightly more vehicles this quarter than ever before – including more than during the last quarter which was a record quarter for revenue for Tesla revenue are expected to be down because Model S and Model X deliveries are down and the record deliveries was due to Model 3 which is less expensive. Tesla s energy division could still surprise and make a difference but it remains to be seen. **Earnings** Earnings per share or rather loss per share is expected to plunge again for the quarter. Like for revenue the expectations are again close for both the street and retail investors. The Wall Street consensus is a loss of $3.26 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is a loss $3.19 per share. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 6O0vBvI.jpeg Tesla has invested for the production of 5 000 Model 3s per week and every time it doesn t reach that it is going to take a hard hit for the earnings. The situation improved a lot over the last quarter but the company is still behind its goal and therefore the prediction is still of a significant loss for the first quarter 2018. **Other expectations for the shareholders letter and analyst call** Obviously we expect that a fair amount of the conference call and shareholders letter to revolve around Model 3 production and how it has evolved recently. But we already got a pretty good update from when we obtain an email from Elon Musk to employees two weeks ago. With this said investors and Model 3 reservation holders would certainly appreciate another update – especially about the results of the production line update that happened during the production shutdown. Tesla did upgrades with the goal to end the second quarter at 5 000 Model 3 vehicles per week and that goal will likely be an important part of the earnings and conference call. It is linked with the Model 3 vehicle program becoming profitable and Musk now says that he expects Tesla to be profitable in Q3 and Q4. Those expectations are directly linked to Tesla achieving the Model 3 production goals and therefore investors will be looking at some reassurance that Tesla can achieve the production rate. A few other interesting points that I expect Tesla will address include plans for production in China now that the door appears to be open timing on Model Y since news came out that Tesla was aiming for a start of production in November 2019 and even though the company and Musk directly addressed it a few times recently I expect analysts will want more details about Tesla s plan not to raise capital this year. As for Tesla Energy news I expect that solar deployment will still be slow but it should be an interesting quarter on the energy storage front. I wouldn t be surprised if it ends up being a record quarter. | Not saying they re doomed or anything but the refusal to answer basic questions [does draw an unfortunate comparison](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=FSK0v0vTgXA). | Someone please take detailed notes on the call and post as a continually updated comment during call... | 213 | 2 | 2,366 |
8gheny | 332 | Tesla (TSLA) first quarter 2018 results and conference call - Official Thread Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its first quarter 2018 financial results today May 2 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=188711) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 3522680997x0x979026 44C49236-1FC2-4FD9-80B1-495ED74E4194 TSLA_Update_Letter_2018-1Q.pdf) Please keep the posts related to the earnings in this thread ____________ **Deliveries** As usual Tesla s deliveries drive most of its earning results since vehicle sales represent the automaker s main revenue stream at the moment. Tesla already confirmed its first quarter 2018 deliveries: 29 980 vehicles – a new record for the company thanks to the Model 3 production ramp starting to produce decent numbers. They ended up delivering 11 730 Model S vehicles 10 070 Model X vehicles and 8 180 Model 3 vehicles. Those numbers are adjusted slightly during the release of the earnings. Additionally 4 060 Model S and X vehicles and 2 040 Model 3 vehicles were in transit to customers at the end of the quarter according to the company. Here are Tesla quarterly global deliveries of all current vehicles in production since their launches: https: i.imgur.com B4zIyXi.jpeg **Revenue** Wall Street s revenue consensus is $3.142 billion for the quarter and Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts almost the same result: $3.233 billion in revenue. They predict a slight drop from the $3.288 billion that Tesla brought in during the previous quarter but it s a significant increase over the $2.696 billion that they brought over the same period last year (Q1 2017). The predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com A74EOvz.jpeg Even though Tesla delivered slightly more vehicles this quarter than ever before – including more than during the last quarter which was a record quarter for revenue for Tesla revenue are expected to be down because Model S and Model X deliveries are down and the record deliveries was due to Model 3 which is less expensive. Tesla s energy division could still surprise and make a difference but it remains to be seen. **Earnings** Earnings per share or rather loss per share is expected to plunge again for the quarter. Like for revenue the expectations are again close for both the street and retail investors. The Wall Street consensus is a loss of $3.26 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is a loss $3.19 per share. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 6O0vBvI.jpeg Tesla has invested for the production of 5 000 Model 3s per week and every time it doesn t reach that it is going to take a hard hit for the earnings. The situation improved a lot over the last quarter but the company is still behind its goal and therefore the prediction is still of a significant loss for the first quarter 2018. **Other expectations for the shareholders letter and analyst call** Obviously we expect that a fair amount of the conference call and shareholders letter to revolve around Model 3 production and how it has evolved recently. But we already got a pretty good update from when we obtain an email from Elon Musk to employees two weeks ago. With this said investors and Model 3 reservation holders would certainly appreciate another update – especially about the results of the production line update that happened during the production shutdown. Tesla did upgrades with the goal to end the second quarter at 5 000 Model 3 vehicles per week and that goal will likely be an important part of the earnings and conference call. It is linked with the Model 3 vehicle program becoming profitable and Musk now says that he expects Tesla to be profitable in Q3 and Q4. Those expectations are directly linked to Tesla achieving the Model 3 production goals and therefore investors will be looking at some reassurance that Tesla can achieve the production rate. A few other interesting points that I expect Tesla will address include plans for production in China now that the door appears to be open timing on Model Y since news came out that Tesla was aiming for a start of production in November 2019 and even though the company and Musk directly addressed it a few times recently I expect analysts will want more details about Tesla s plan not to raise capital this year. As for Tesla Energy news I expect that solar deployment will still be slow but it should be an interesting quarter on the energy storage front. I wouldn t be surprised if it ends up being a record quarter. | Not saying they re doomed or anything but the refusal to answer basic questions [does draw an unfortunate comparison](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=FSK0v0vTgXA). | Model 3 will be closer to breakeven in Q2 | 213 | 2 | 2,367 |
8ha9jz | 38 | Kimbal s 3 went to someone.. I hope it was one of us. https: www.omaze.com experiences tesla-model-3-kimbal-musk | Oh good I can finally stop hearing about this contest. | Darn | 56 | 3 | 2,368 |
8ha9jz | 38 | Kimbal s 3 went to someone.. I hope it was one of us. https: www.omaze.com experiences tesla-model-3-kimbal-musk | Oh good I can finally stop hearing about this contest. | \\*frantically searches inbox and spam\\* I see no email yet maybe they will surprise me at my front door? | 56 | 11 | 2,369 |
8hb3wd | 71 | Tesla keyfobs can be hacked to start other Teslas [Originally from Robin Stark on Model 3 Facebook page:](https: m.facebook.com groups 304099646450566?view=permalink& id=787039938156532) > Sad and frustrating public service announcement to fellow Tesla owners: My Tesla Model S was stolen last night. It was in the garage at my boyfriend s condo. It looks like the thieves were able to hack another Tesla key and start my car. I know this because this morning when I discovered it missing I found the leather key holder of that key in the parking space. I have my phone and key with me so that s not an issue. I immediately logged onto the app but it said “Mobile Access disabled” so I called Tesla right away. They said they could give me no information until I had a police report number. So after 30 minutes with the police I called Tesla with a case number detective name and was able to learn that my car s doors were opened at 3:15am and it was driven at 3:45am. Other than that the service person was very sympathetic but absolutely no help. The car has had the connection services completely shut down. When I try to go in the app now it gives “Vehicle Connection Error”. No one at Tesla is able to help me and they can t override this. > Lesson learned so far: Tesla keys can be hacked to start another car. Tesla support is practically worthless when your car is stolen. If the thieves disable the mobile device services there is no way to know where your car is. There is no way for Tesla to disable a stolen car that has been powered down to keep it from being powered up again. If you find out on a Saturday morning that your car is stolen you are completely screwed because the people that work the weekends do not have much technical knowledge. They have mentioned several times that the more technical support people work Mon-Friday. I complained to Tesla customer support that if I had LoJack the support would be 100% there for me and they d on the case immediately. With Tesla all she said was “keep your eye on the app and if you see it go back on put the car in Valet Mode”. However the app has been disabled so that advice is completely worthless. I asked why there wasn t a way that either Tesla or I could be notified if the car gets powered up or goes back online and she replied “that would be a good idea but we don t currently have that ability”. Oh and if this happens to you be sure that when you call Tesla you have the following information: Case # detective name and their badge number. They won t give you ANY information without those three pieces of information. I am dismayed that Tesla does not have technically knowledgeable supervisors 24 7 for cases such as this. > As I ve been typing this I ve been on hold with Tesla for 30+ minutes. Thieves have my car and nothing is being done. | So at least in the Netherlands Tesla relay (not replay) attacks are pretty common. We were also the first country to receive the update that automatically disabled passive entry for us. I believe there are other countries that have also received it now. Several Teslas have been stolen simply by listening for key fobs near the front door of your house capturing the signal (no presses needed) and relaying it to a device near the car. The car thinks the fob is nearby and opens the car and you can drive off. More info and a video of actual security footage here https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads key-fob-relay-thefts-should-we-be-concerned.103017 To prevent this I recommend turning passive entry off. The downside is this always requires you to use the fob to unlock your car using two presses on the unlock button. Another solution has been mentioned in this thread where you can enable Valet mode every time you park. This then requires a pin to disable and I believe it also prevents the disabling of mobile access from the settings. Of course this is pretty cumbersome but I d like to add this to my app (currently beta testing) if there are enough people interested. More info about my app s beta test here: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads teslender-com-beta-testing-and-feedback-thread.111341 | Hmm only Tesla key FOBs? In all the years key FOBs have been in use this exploit was never used until now? Anyone here keep up with DEFCON developments? Generally these guys get the hacks first [https: www.carhackingvillage.com ](https: www.carhackingvillage.com ) | 155 | 2 | 2,370 |
8hb3wd | 71 | Tesla keyfobs can be hacked to start other Teslas [Originally from Robin Stark on Model 3 Facebook page:](https: m.facebook.com groups 304099646450566?view=permalink& id=787039938156532) > Sad and frustrating public service announcement to fellow Tesla owners: My Tesla Model S was stolen last night. It was in the garage at my boyfriend s condo. It looks like the thieves were able to hack another Tesla key and start my car. I know this because this morning when I discovered it missing I found the leather key holder of that key in the parking space. I have my phone and key with me so that s not an issue. I immediately logged onto the app but it said “Mobile Access disabled” so I called Tesla right away. They said they could give me no information until I had a police report number. So after 30 minutes with the police I called Tesla with a case number detective name and was able to learn that my car s doors were opened at 3:15am and it was driven at 3:45am. Other than that the service person was very sympathetic but absolutely no help. The car has had the connection services completely shut down. When I try to go in the app now it gives “Vehicle Connection Error”. No one at Tesla is able to help me and they can t override this. > Lesson learned so far: Tesla keys can be hacked to start another car. Tesla support is practically worthless when your car is stolen. If the thieves disable the mobile device services there is no way to know where your car is. There is no way for Tesla to disable a stolen car that has been powered down to keep it from being powered up again. If you find out on a Saturday morning that your car is stolen you are completely screwed because the people that work the weekends do not have much technical knowledge. They have mentioned several times that the more technical support people work Mon-Friday. I complained to Tesla customer support that if I had LoJack the support would be 100% there for me and they d on the case immediately. With Tesla all she said was “keep your eye on the app and if you see it go back on put the car in Valet Mode”. However the app has been disabled so that advice is completely worthless. I asked why there wasn t a way that either Tesla or I could be notified if the car gets powered up or goes back online and she replied “that would be a good idea but we don t currently have that ability”. Oh and if this happens to you be sure that when you call Tesla you have the following information: Case # detective name and their badge number. They won t give you ANY information without those three pieces of information. I am dismayed that Tesla does not have technically knowledgeable supervisors 24 7 for cases such as this. > As I ve been typing this I ve been on hold with Tesla for 30+ minutes. Thieves have my car and nothing is being done. | So at least in the Netherlands Tesla relay (not replay) attacks are pretty common. We were also the first country to receive the update that automatically disabled passive entry for us. I believe there are other countries that have also received it now. Several Teslas have been stolen simply by listening for key fobs near the front door of your house capturing the signal (no presses needed) and relaying it to a device near the car. The car thinks the fob is nearby and opens the car and you can drive off. More info and a video of actual security footage here https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads key-fob-relay-thefts-should-we-be-concerned.103017 To prevent this I recommend turning passive entry off. The downside is this always requires you to use the fob to unlock your car using two presses on the unlock button. Another solution has been mentioned in this thread where you can enable Valet mode every time you park. This then requires a pin to disable and I believe it also prevents the disabling of mobile access from the settings. Of course this is pretty cumbersome but I d like to add this to my app (currently beta testing) if there are enough people interested. More info about my app s beta test here: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads teslender-com-beta-testing-and-feedback-thread.111341 | This is why I have my garage door opener send me a notification when it is opened. | 155 | 3 | 2,371 |
8hb3wd | 71 | Tesla keyfobs can be hacked to start other Teslas [Originally from Robin Stark on Model 3 Facebook page:](https: m.facebook.com groups 304099646450566?view=permalink& id=787039938156532) > Sad and frustrating public service announcement to fellow Tesla owners: My Tesla Model S was stolen last night. It was in the garage at my boyfriend s condo. It looks like the thieves were able to hack another Tesla key and start my car. I know this because this morning when I discovered it missing I found the leather key holder of that key in the parking space. I have my phone and key with me so that s not an issue. I immediately logged onto the app but it said “Mobile Access disabled” so I called Tesla right away. They said they could give me no information until I had a police report number. So after 30 minutes with the police I called Tesla with a case number detective name and was able to learn that my car s doors were opened at 3:15am and it was driven at 3:45am. Other than that the service person was very sympathetic but absolutely no help. The car has had the connection services completely shut down. When I try to go in the app now it gives “Vehicle Connection Error”. No one at Tesla is able to help me and they can t override this. > Lesson learned so far: Tesla keys can be hacked to start another car. Tesla support is practically worthless when your car is stolen. If the thieves disable the mobile device services there is no way to know where your car is. There is no way for Tesla to disable a stolen car that has been powered down to keep it from being powered up again. If you find out on a Saturday morning that your car is stolen you are completely screwed because the people that work the weekends do not have much technical knowledge. They have mentioned several times that the more technical support people work Mon-Friday. I complained to Tesla customer support that if I had LoJack the support would be 100% there for me and they d on the case immediately. With Tesla all she said was “keep your eye on the app and if you see it go back on put the car in Valet Mode”. However the app has been disabled so that advice is completely worthless. I asked why there wasn t a way that either Tesla or I could be notified if the car gets powered up or goes back online and she replied “that would be a good idea but we don t currently have that ability”. Oh and if this happens to you be sure that when you call Tesla you have the following information: Case # detective name and their badge number. They won t give you ANY information without those three pieces of information. I am dismayed that Tesla does not have technically knowledgeable supervisors 24 7 for cases such as this. > As I ve been typing this I ve been on hold with Tesla for 30+ minutes. Thieves have my car and nothing is being done. | So at least in the Netherlands Tesla relay (not replay) attacks are pretty common. We were also the first country to receive the update that automatically disabled passive entry for us. I believe there are other countries that have also received it now. Several Teslas have been stolen simply by listening for key fobs near the front door of your house capturing the signal (no presses needed) and relaying it to a device near the car. The car thinks the fob is nearby and opens the car and you can drive off. More info and a video of actual security footage here https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads key-fob-relay-thefts-should-we-be-concerned.103017 To prevent this I recommend turning passive entry off. The downside is this always requires you to use the fob to unlock your car using two presses on the unlock button. Another solution has been mentioned in this thread where you can enable Valet mode every time you park. This then requires a pin to disable and I believe it also prevents the disabling of mobile access from the settings. Of course this is pretty cumbersome but I d like to add this to my app (currently beta testing) if there are enough people interested. More info about my app s beta test here: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads teslender-com-beta-testing-and-feedback-thread.111341 | Wouldn t setting valet mode every time you park also help too? | 155 | 5 | 2,372 |
8hgco5 | 47 | Production Seems to be Slowing Down... TM3 production seems to have slowed since the shutdown. Bloomberg has it at roughly 1 500 per week and declining posts of VIN assignments are sparse (minus a couple for Canada) and there don t seem to be any reports of massive fleets of cars being distributed from Fremont. I m not an investor and hope the shorts get mauled so this isn t astroturf just an observation from a person going on one month waiting for a VIN assignment. Anyone have reason to believe this isn t the case? | parking lot full af. Just checked. | Go read through the blog post under Hyperdrive on the tracker Tom Randell explains these dips and other details about the tracker. In short the tracker never goes to zero but evens a shutdown drop out over multiple weeks (so the graph looks nicer basically). So the weekly rate on Bloomberg trackers is not at all representative in quite a few weeks after a shutdown but only long term | 48 | 2 | 2,373 |
8hgco5 | 47 | Production Seems to be Slowing Down... TM3 production seems to have slowed since the shutdown. Bloomberg has it at roughly 1 500 per week and declining posts of VIN assignments are sparse (minus a couple for Canada) and there don t seem to be any reports of massive fleets of cars being distributed from Fremont. I m not an investor and hope the shorts get mauled so this isn t astroturf just an observation from a person going on one month waiting for a VIN assignment. Anyone have reason to believe this isn t the case? | parking lot full af. Just checked. | I think it s absolutely incredible that so many people are watching the production numbers (Yes I realize this is a Tesla subreddit). But seriously where is the bloomberg Bolt tracker. I understand Musk has made many bold statements and Chevy has not. Wouldn t it be funny if Tesla changed their process to register all vins after the cars were manufactured and sitting in a lot? I m not saying this happened but for all we know they could be building inventory and sitting on it while they make Canada shipments. Imagine the short squeeze that would ensue if they hit a sustained rate of 5K week and have inventory on hand to sell throughout Q3 to maximize the shipments that are tax credit eligible. Will this likely happen no but If it did I wouldn t be surprised. | 48 | 5 | 2,374 |
8hgco5 | 47 | Production Seems to be Slowing Down... TM3 production seems to have slowed since the shutdown. Bloomberg has it at roughly 1 500 per week and declining posts of VIN assignments are sparse (minus a couple for Canada) and there don t seem to be any reports of massive fleets of cars being distributed from Fremont. I m not an investor and hope the shorts get mauled so this isn t astroturf just an observation from a person going on one month waiting for a VIN assignment. Anyone have reason to believe this isn t the case? | parking lot full af. Just checked. | At nearly no point in time will the Bloomberg tracker be accurate with regard to the present production. They say as much themselves. It s not real journalism in the sense that they never leave their desk to find out what is actually happening at the factory. VIN numbers are not reported for cars that are in transit (for weeks). A large group are on the way to Canada (probably by train) and auto carrier boats leave San Francisco Bay frequently. Stopping the production line to correct issues is absolutely a desirable thing. It is practically a cause for celebration for people waiting for a car and investors. It s the only way to dramatically accelerate production. | 48 | 8 | 2,375 |
8hha9z | 29 | About those front license plates Front license plates are required in 31 of 50 states as well as Washington DC. This includes the whole west coast all of the northeast Texas Nevada Illinois and Hawaii. In terms of noticeable markets for Tesla only Florida Pennsylvania and Arizona allow 1 license plate. I did an experiment and typed Tesla Model 3 into Google Images and started counting the Model 3 s with front license plates. I found 1 out of 50. 2%! That s it! What gives? I feel like the adhesive front license plate option from Tesla is kind of an afterthought and somehow is never photographed but probably is needed in over 80% of their cars... | California resident... I haven t had a front license plate in over 25 years. I ve never had a problem. The law is not enforced. | Nevada only requires it if the car comes with a front bracket Which is why a lot of Nevada dealers add a “front plate delete” option to have the car delivered without out one | 76 | 2 | 2,376 |
8hha9z | 29 | About those front license plates Front license plates are required in 31 of 50 states as well as Washington DC. This includes the whole west coast all of the northeast Texas Nevada Illinois and Hawaii. In terms of noticeable markets for Tesla only Florida Pennsylvania and Arizona allow 1 license plate. I did an experiment and typed Tesla Model 3 into Google Images and started counting the Model 3 s with front license plates. I found 1 out of 50. 2%! That s it! What gives? I feel like the adhesive front license plate option from Tesla is kind of an afterthought and somehow is never photographed but probably is needed in over 80% of their cars... | California resident... I haven t had a front license plate in over 25 years. I ve never had a problem. The law is not enforced. | a very significant portion of people don t do the front one then just pay the fine if ever caught. | 76 | 3 | 2,377 |
8hqah7 | 289 | Elon Musk Purchases 33 000 Shares Worth $9.85M New SEC Form 4 just disclosed by Tesla. [http: ir.tesla.com secfiling.cfm?filingID=1494730\\-18\\-2& CIK=1318605](http: ir.tesla.com secfiling.cfm?filingID=1494730-18-2& CIK=1318605) | He owned 33 632 421 Tesla stocks yesterday now he owns 33 665 421. This represent an increase of about 0.1% of his holding. In other words if he owned 19.78% of the company yesterday today he owns 19.80%. | is this a normal thing to do? | 140 | 2 | 2,378 |
8hqah7 | 289 | Elon Musk Purchases 33 000 Shares Worth $9.85M New SEC Form 4 just disclosed by Tesla. [http: ir.tesla.com secfiling.cfm?filingID=1494730\\-18\\-2& CIK=1318605](http: ir.tesla.com secfiling.cfm?filingID=1494730-18-2& CIK=1318605) | He owned 33 632 421 Tesla stocks yesterday now he owns 33 665 421. This represent an increase of about 0.1% of his holding. In other words if he owned 19.78% of the company yesterday today he owns 19.80%. | When did he purchase them? | 140 | 2 | 2,379 |
8hqah7 | 289 | Elon Musk Purchases 33 000 Shares Worth $9.85M New SEC Form 4 just disclosed by Tesla. [http: ir.tesla.com secfiling.cfm?filingID=1494730\\-18\\-2& CIK=1318605](http: ir.tesla.com secfiling.cfm?filingID=1494730-18-2& CIK=1318605) | He owned 33 632 421 Tesla stocks yesterday now he owns 33 665 421. This represent an increase of about 0.1% of his holding. In other words if he owned 19.78% of the company yesterday today he owns 19.80%. | NY Post already trying to make chicken shit into chicken salad playing up the boilerplate disclosures. https: www.google.com amp s nypost.com 2018 05 07 tesla-warns-it-may-need-to-raise-cash-days-after-musk-insists-it-wont amp | 140 | 3 | 2,380 |
8ht7sl | 550 | I don t feel this gets said enough Thank you to all those who took the gamble on the Tesla Roadster. Thank you you crazy SOBs who purchased the Model S from and relatively unknown car maker. Thank you to those who stuck it out with the Model X delays. Last but not least thank you to all those who pre-ordered the Model 3. Because of you I m soon to get my dream car and help save the planet with it! | I m just here to say I m not pretending to be saving the environment... I m just here because a Tesla is the best most advanced car with a wide wide wide margin. | Yeh thanks all! | 42 | 3 | 2,381 |
8hxnlr | 139 | Summary of Tesla Model 3 Reviews I think now it may be time to do a little summary of many Tesla Model 3 Reviews. Of course I won t be able to get all of them but these reviews I collected below should be enough to help most potential buyers making an informed decision. **Main Stream Media:** [autoblog](https: www.autoblog.com 2018 04 02 tesla-model-3-first-drive-review ?ncid=edlinkusauto00000016): This is a car that stirs up emotions when driving it and the fact that it does that well is a great thing not just for customers [Auto Express (UK)](http: www.autoexpress.co.uk tesla model-3 100317 new-tesla-model-3-2018-review): 4.5 5 [Car and Driver](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews 2018-tesla-model-3-in-depth-review): Tesla s first attempt at a mass-market EV hasn t fulfilled all of its promises—yet. [CNET](https: www.cnet.com roadshow auto 2018-tesla-model-3-long-range review ): 8.2 10 [Consumer Reports Initial Review](https: www.consumerreports.org hybrids-evs tesla-model-3-first-drive-review ): we re struck by how enjoyable this car is to drive. But we re on the fence about its 15-inch touch screen [Digital Trends](https: www.digitaltrends.com car-reviews tesla-model-3-review ): 5 5 [Edmunds](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=FESJlsKeYGo& feature=youtu.be): The reviewer is keeping his Model 3 reservation [Engadget](https: www.engadget.com 2018 03 01 tesla-model-3-review ): 75 100 A great electric vehicle sidelined by an in-car interface that complicates simple tasks. [Kelley Blue Book](https: www.kbb.com car-news all-the-latest 2018-tesla-model-3-first-review 2100005150 ): 8.9 10 [LA Times](http: www.latimes.com business autos la-fi-hy-tesla-model-3-review-20180120-story.html): Elon Musk s mass-market car is a magic carpet ride [Motor Trend Teardown](http: www.motortrend.com news tesla-model-3-teardown-details ): Munro is very impressed with the Tesla s design ride handling electrical and electronic architecture and myriad innovations sprinkled throughout the Model 3. He made little secret that he would like to assist Tesla in the areas where he sees room for improvement. [Road and Track](https: www.roadandtrack.com new-cars first-drives a15070866 tesla-model-3-test-drive-review ): It s as daring today as the Volkswagen Beetle was in the days after World War II [San Francisco Chronicle](https: www.sfchronicle.com business article Tesla-Model-3-review-Was-it-worth-the-wait-12611318.php): Driving it doesn t feel like work. [The Detroit News](https: www.detroitnews.com story opinion columnists henry-payne 2018 02 26 tesla-model-three-test-drive-detroit 110880692 ): Luke Skywalker would be impressed. You ll want to slip inside a lot because this Starfighter is a blast to drive. [The Electrek](https: electrek.co 2018 01 08 electrek-review-tesla-model-3 ): The future is here. The future is now. If you re in the market for a new car in this category but are worried about the long line to get a Model 3 you shouldn t be. It s worth it. [Top Gear](https: www.topgear.com car-reviews tesla model-3): 8 10 Everything Tesla has done up to this point has been building towards the Model 3... and it s been worth it. (Top Gear dissed Roadsters badly in 2008 leading to a lawsuit by Tesla in 2010) [USA Today](https: www.usatoday.com story money cars 2018 01 16 we-rented-tesla-model-3-new-owner-call-spartan-high-tech-and-compelling 1030860001 ): In the end a day spent with a Model 3 leaves one itching for one more day Overall: The first truly compelling midpriced electric sedan. [Wired](https: www.wired.com story tesla-model-3-review ): TESLA S MODEL 3 IS THE BEST ELECTRIC CAR YOU CAN T BUY—YET -------------------------------------------------- **Private Owners Reviewers:** https: medium.com @elanf on-the-tesla-model-3-6b5acabd8ff5 by Elan Feingold https: www.youtube.com watch?v=sVL-SMoKpAU by FSGarage https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8b236u 3_weeks_of_model_3_a_review by u eliminator_sr https: www.youtube.com watch?v=V-GOdnV5N_k& feature=youtu.be by Larry Benjamin https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 85ajxa a_detailed_review_of_model_3_from_a_m3_owner https: www.youtube.com watch?v=ToccD1C0NPI by Phil s Morning Drive https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 827ion 500_mile_review_of_the_model_3_long_post by u speed_hunter https: www.youtube.com watch?v=FQVI4bAUF5Q by ethancushing https: www.youtube.com watch?v=te6VqldjTT8 by Doug DeMuro -------------------------------------------------- EDIT: Fixed a bad link Fixed typos Added Doug Demuro s review | u jonjiv : Yeah this car is awesome. | Thanks! (Top Gear ~~s~~ singular.) | 48 | 2 | 2,382 |
8i0udo | 216 | Just signed up for solar today A woman rushed me at Home Depot last week and asked if I was interested in solar. I was initially put off by it I was in a hurry and don t like pushy sales. But then I saw her Tesla badge and she suddenly seemed more tolerable 😂 She signed me up for a consult that we had today. It went great sleaze-free and will save us tons of money over 20 years. If you re thinking about it definitely have someone come by your house. Can t wait to start making watts ⚡️ | If you want to save some money get a quote from the cheapest solar installer in your area. Then send that quote to Tesla. They will send the quote to another department that will either match it or at least get closer to it. It s called the Best Value Guarantee . They took my quote down from 31k to 24k just cuz I sent them a cheaper quote from another company. | Congrats!!! You will love it. :) Also sent you a PM | 114 | 5 | 2,383 |
8i0udo | 216 | Just signed up for solar today A woman rushed me at Home Depot last week and asked if I was interested in solar. I was initially put off by it I was in a hurry and don t like pushy sales. But then I saw her Tesla badge and she suddenly seemed more tolerable 😂 She signed me up for a consult that we had today. It went great sleaze-free and will save us tons of money over 20 years. If you re thinking about it definitely have someone come by your house. Can t wait to start making watts ⚡️ | If you want to save some money get a quote from the cheapest solar installer in your area. Then send that quote to Tesla. They will send the quote to another department that will either match it or at least get closer to it. It s called the Best Value Guarantee . They took my quote down from 31k to 24k just cuz I sent them a cheaper quote from another company. | Get quotes from other installers even if you re gung-ho about sticking with Tesla. I have heard of Tesla lowering their price if other installers offer a lower cost per kw for a similar-sized setup. | 114 | 5 | 2,384 |
8i0udo | 216 | Just signed up for solar today A woman rushed me at Home Depot last week and asked if I was interested in solar. I was initially put off by it I was in a hurry and don t like pushy sales. But then I saw her Tesla badge and she suddenly seemed more tolerable 😂 She signed me up for a consult that we had today. It went great sleaze-free and will save us tons of money over 20 years. If you re thinking about it definitely have someone come by your house. Can t wait to start making watts ⚡️ | If you want to save some money get a quote from the cheapest solar installer in your area. Then send that quote to Tesla. They will send the quote to another department that will either match it or at least get closer to it. It s called the Best Value Guarantee . They took my quote down from 31k to 24k just cuz I sent them a cheaper quote from another company. | Roughly what size system (in kW) for how much $? | 114 | 6 | 2,385 |
8i7p0v | 414 | Thank you Tesla I have cerebral palsy. I am a 21 year old female who can t use her right leg very well (can t point my toe don t have very good reaction time in my right side) I have always been terrified of driving and haven t had the chance to yet because I m afraid. I m afraid that I won t react quickly enough that i would hurt myself or someone else. *if I don t have modified controls which I will. * My dad just took me to see the Model 3 and told me in short that he s purchasing one for me so that I don t feel so scared and also so that I am safe in the case of an accident. I will have other controls on the steering wheel that allows me to control the car because the pedals don t work for me. Thank you Tesla for creating a car meant for everyone even those with disabilities. Thank you for taking risks and taking chances. It paid off for me and everyone else with disabilities. You have created one badass company with some amazing cars. EDIT: yes I know I m disabled but I am not a danger to anyone. If I was even the slightest bit of a danger I wouldn t drive. I m just worried about the fact other people don t pay attention. They text they eat do whatever else they do when they re supposed to be focused on driving. I am capable of driving but I m just worried about the scenarios that I can t control. I have the ability to drive because of modified driving there s different style controls and I just have to find the right ones for me. The only thing keeping me driving is my legs. They don t work and my reaction time WITH MY LEGS is not very good. It s a different story with my left hand. I have full control of my left hand to control the car with mobility controls. The DMV only requires I pass the driving test and they will be looking at my reaction time as well. I will spend hours upon hours practicing before I go out on the road. I have considered all of the above and more. Trust me. I ve had the last 6 years to think about all those things. Also I will never rely on the features of the Tesla the “autopilot ” lane keep any other feature to make me able to drive. I can drive. Those features just make it easier and safer. I will rely on the gas and brake control on the steering wheel to operate correctly so I can operate the vehicle DESPITE my disability. The Tesla makes me feel safer and it makes it easier for me to drive. | Your post is emblematic of why Tesla is eventually going to become #1. I don t understand how all these other negative posters can t just be happy about how much of your mental burden is going to be lifted with the Tesla s technology doing the driving for you. Congratulations and I am thrilled for your newfound freedom! | > Thank you Tesla for creating a car meant for everyone even those with brain injuries. I m not sure exactly what you re saying here... what about a Tesla makes it more accommodating for someone with such a condition? | 133 | 3 | 2,386 |
8i7p0v | 414 | Thank you Tesla I have cerebral palsy. I am a 21 year old female who can t use her right leg very well (can t point my toe don t have very good reaction time in my right side) I have always been terrified of driving and haven t had the chance to yet because I m afraid. I m afraid that I won t react quickly enough that i would hurt myself or someone else. *if I don t have modified controls which I will. * My dad just took me to see the Model 3 and told me in short that he s purchasing one for me so that I don t feel so scared and also so that I am safe in the case of an accident. I will have other controls on the steering wheel that allows me to control the car because the pedals don t work for me. Thank you Tesla for creating a car meant for everyone even those with disabilities. Thank you for taking risks and taking chances. It paid off for me and everyone else with disabilities. You have created one badass company with some amazing cars. EDIT: yes I know I m disabled but I am not a danger to anyone. If I was even the slightest bit of a danger I wouldn t drive. I m just worried about the fact other people don t pay attention. They text they eat do whatever else they do when they re supposed to be focused on driving. I am capable of driving but I m just worried about the scenarios that I can t control. I have the ability to drive because of modified driving there s different style controls and I just have to find the right ones for me. The only thing keeping me driving is my legs. They don t work and my reaction time WITH MY LEGS is not very good. It s a different story with my left hand. I have full control of my left hand to control the car with mobility controls. The DMV only requires I pass the driving test and they will be looking at my reaction time as well. I will spend hours upon hours practicing before I go out on the road. I have considered all of the above and more. Trust me. I ve had the last 6 years to think about all those things. Also I will never rely on the features of the Tesla the “autopilot ” lane keep any other feature to make me able to drive. I can drive. Those features just make it easier and safer. I will rely on the gas and brake control on the steering wheel to operate correctly so I can operate the vehicle DESPITE my disability. The Tesla makes me feel safer and it makes it easier for me to drive. | Your post is emblematic of why Tesla is eventually going to become #1. I don t understand how all these other negative posters can t just be happy about how much of your mental burden is going to be lifted with the Tesla s technology doing the driving for you. Congratulations and I am thrilled for your newfound freedom! | Welcome to the club! | 133 | 4 | 2,387 |
8i7p0v | 414 | Thank you Tesla I have cerebral palsy. I am a 21 year old female who can t use her right leg very well (can t point my toe don t have very good reaction time in my right side) I have always been terrified of driving and haven t had the chance to yet because I m afraid. I m afraid that I won t react quickly enough that i would hurt myself or someone else. *if I don t have modified controls which I will. * My dad just took me to see the Model 3 and told me in short that he s purchasing one for me so that I don t feel so scared and also so that I am safe in the case of an accident. I will have other controls on the steering wheel that allows me to control the car because the pedals don t work for me. Thank you Tesla for creating a car meant for everyone even those with disabilities. Thank you for taking risks and taking chances. It paid off for me and everyone else with disabilities. You have created one badass company with some amazing cars. EDIT: yes I know I m disabled but I am not a danger to anyone. If I was even the slightest bit of a danger I wouldn t drive. I m just worried about the fact other people don t pay attention. They text they eat do whatever else they do when they re supposed to be focused on driving. I am capable of driving but I m just worried about the scenarios that I can t control. I have the ability to drive because of modified driving there s different style controls and I just have to find the right ones for me. The only thing keeping me driving is my legs. They don t work and my reaction time WITH MY LEGS is not very good. It s a different story with my left hand. I have full control of my left hand to control the car with mobility controls. The DMV only requires I pass the driving test and they will be looking at my reaction time as well. I will spend hours upon hours practicing before I go out on the road. I have considered all of the above and more. Trust me. I ve had the last 6 years to think about all those things. Also I will never rely on the features of the Tesla the “autopilot ” lane keep any other feature to make me able to drive. I can drive. Those features just make it easier and safer. I will rely on the gas and brake control on the steering wheel to operate correctly so I can operate the vehicle DESPITE my disability. The Tesla makes me feel safer and it makes it easier for me to drive. | Your post is emblematic of why Tesla is eventually going to become #1. I don t understand how all these other negative posters can t just be happy about how much of your mental burden is going to be lifted with the Tesla s technology doing the driving for you. Congratulations and I am thrilled for your newfound freedom! | FSD will be great for you when it becomes available but I should point out that emergency braking and indeed any instance where you want the car to come to a complete stop must be accomplished with pressing the brake pedal. The tech isn t there yet for a fully self driving vehicle. But hopefully by the time you get yours autopilot will be better or even better would be FSD being available. Good luck! | 133 | 20 | 2,388 |
8i7wga | 35 | Let s talk about charging strategies... I was surprised to read here today that a number of owners don t charge their cars every night because of concerns about battery longevity. I only drive about 20 miles per day but have been dutifully charging to 80% every night because I had been told that was best for the car. What is the optimal strategy - charge nightly or let it gradually get down to some percentage before charging all the way back up to 80%?Does it matter that I m trickle charging from a 110 outlet most of the time? | If you religiously charge every night and don t need to extra range charge it to 60%-70%. Basically to maximize battery life stay as close as you can to 50%. Although it doesn t matter much if you don t regularly push beyond the top 20% and bottom 20% under everyday use. 50 minutes video to explain what I said https: www.youtube.com watch?v=jPVuCZYZOcs | This is what I do but I suspect many people will not care anymore than they do with their regular electronics. That being said as far as I know most manufacturers set their 100% mark below what it would actually be in order to preserve the battery. | 28 | 2 | 2,389 |
8ife4h | 120 | Money-saving tip for new Tesla owners I m a new Model 3 owner and thought I d share this with others who are new to Tesla and home charging: Check with your electric company to see if you can switch to a “Time of Day” energy plan. I changed mine to where each weekday there is a 4-hour time frame (depending on season) when electricity is considered “on-peak” and billed at 2x the normal rate. This of course is when you should minimize the use of electricity. The other 20 hours of the day (including all of Saturday & Sunday) are charged as “off-peak” and is about half the cost of normal energy rates. My Model 3 is charging overnight during off-peak hours and my off-peak rate is $0.063 per kWh. My Model 3 s average range efficiency during my 750+ miles driven so far is 23.3 kWh per 100 miles. This means it only costs $1.47 to drive 100 miles. Of course range efficiency can fluctuate but that is still very impressive. Compared to my Pontiac G6 which costs about $11.50 to travel 100 miles with current gas prices that s a savings of $10 per 100 miles driven. I drive 20 000 miles per year so that s a potential annual savings of $2 000. In other words: EV s rule gas drools. Long live Tesla. | Oddly enough I make money by selling my solar to PG& E all day and charging after midnight. Time of Day billing has some interesting quirks. | Not sure I ll ever see time of day pricing where I live. Nice thing about hydroelectric is if you want less juice let less water flow through. The water on the other side is kind of like a battery. | 34 | 2 | 2,390 |
8ife4h | 120 | Money-saving tip for new Tesla owners I m a new Model 3 owner and thought I d share this with others who are new to Tesla and home charging: Check with your electric company to see if you can switch to a “Time of Day” energy plan. I changed mine to where each weekday there is a 4-hour time frame (depending on season) when electricity is considered “on-peak” and billed at 2x the normal rate. This of course is when you should minimize the use of electricity. The other 20 hours of the day (including all of Saturday & Sunday) are charged as “off-peak” and is about half the cost of normal energy rates. My Model 3 is charging overnight during off-peak hours and my off-peak rate is $0.063 per kWh. My Model 3 s average range efficiency during my 750+ miles driven so far is 23.3 kWh per 100 miles. This means it only costs $1.47 to drive 100 miles. Of course range efficiency can fluctuate but that is still very impressive. Compared to my Pontiac G6 which costs about $11.50 to travel 100 miles with current gas prices that s a savings of $10 per 100 miles driven. I drive 20 000 miles per year so that s a potential annual savings of $2 000. In other words: EV s rule gas drools. Long live Tesla. | Oddly enough I make money by selling my solar to PG& E all day and charging after midnight. Time of Day billing has some interesting quirks. | When I had mine I looked into time-of-use billing. It s a good idea if you feel the effort of timing your power usage is worth it. My P85 s fuel savings over my old Honda Civic was at least $1 000 yr and that was even with flat billing plus Xcel Energy s Windsource voluntary surcharge to have my power backed by renewable provisioning. (Yes I know the power doesn t *literally* come directly from renewables.) For me the difference wasn t gonna be worth enacting (especially since I know how unreliable I am) but it s definitely worth investigating. | 34 | 3 | 2,391 |
8ife4h | 120 | Money-saving tip for new Tesla owners I m a new Model 3 owner and thought I d share this with others who are new to Tesla and home charging: Check with your electric company to see if you can switch to a “Time of Day” energy plan. I changed mine to where each weekday there is a 4-hour time frame (depending on season) when electricity is considered “on-peak” and billed at 2x the normal rate. This of course is when you should minimize the use of electricity. The other 20 hours of the day (including all of Saturday & Sunday) are charged as “off-peak” and is about half the cost of normal energy rates. My Model 3 is charging overnight during off-peak hours and my off-peak rate is $0.063 per kWh. My Model 3 s average range efficiency during my 750+ miles driven so far is 23.3 kWh per 100 miles. This means it only costs $1.47 to drive 100 miles. Of course range efficiency can fluctuate but that is still very impressive. Compared to my Pontiac G6 which costs about $11.50 to travel 100 miles with current gas prices that s a savings of $10 per 100 miles driven. I drive 20 000 miles per year so that s a potential annual savings of $2 000. In other words: EV s rule gas drools. Long live Tesla. | Oddly enough I make money by selling my solar to PG& E all day and charging after midnight. Time of Day billing has some interesting quirks. | Don t forget to subtract ten dollars from your annual cost savings before the pedants come in and say what about the inefficiency of your charging cable as the electrons encounter copper resistance going into your fuel tank. | 34 | 5 | 2,392 |
8ilmh4 | 114 | PSA Ban Seeking Alpha from your Google News feed https: seekingalpha.com article 4172159-tesla-semi-dead They are short Tesla. They put out self serving articles. | > The preference for simplicity is a major reason diesel is the fuel of choice for Semi truck engines. They are simpler and less prone to fault than are gasoline engines. An EV Semi presents far more serious problems than a gasoline engine… Oh my god I m crying... | Have instructions how? I ve tried looking into it in the past but I don t think I got anywhere. | 38 | 2 | 2,393 |
8ilmh4 | 114 | PSA Ban Seeking Alpha from your Google News feed https: seekingalpha.com article 4172159-tesla-semi-dead They are short Tesla. They put out self serving articles. | > The preference for simplicity is a major reason diesel is the fuel of choice for Semi truck engines. They are simpler and less prone to fault than are gasoline engines. An EV Semi presents far more serious problems than a gasoline engine… Oh my god I m crying... | It s clear that they re not entering mass production of Semis any time soon. Elon said recently that they want to focus on one vehicle at the time Right now it s 3 and soon it will be Y. They still haven t decided where they will build the Y only that it will not be in Fremont. I think the Semi seems like a great product but customers probably want to test them out for a few years before committing to them at scale. In other words Tesla should build them at low volumes ASAP and get them out to customers and prepare to ramp up production as the product sells itself. Right now they need to restore confidence from investors and creditors by getting 3 production numbers up and earning more than they spend. After that they have to decide where to assign their design and manufacturing resources: Model Y Semi Pickup Roadster 2 potential other products. Are they spreading themselves thin? Will some of those get delayed or shelved? I guess yes to both. | 38 | 11 | 2,394 |
8j1gdb | 256 | [Discussion] If you find yourself asking Is there more Tesla-hate lately than normal? ...this may help explain it. For those who don t know Tesla has one of the largest short positions in the entire stock market. Given it s relatively low market cap this is quite an achievement. There is approximately $12 Billion dollars being bet that Tesla will drop (not including derivatives). At the same time there is $50 Billion dollars (plus the $12 Billion dollars of additional shares on the market from shorting not including derivatives) being bet that it will rise. But this is NOT a new development. Tesla has always been one of the most highly shorted stocks. What has changed is that the shorting is having a smaller and smaller effect on the stock itself. Evidence of this can be seen through snapshots of the stock price & short interest at specific times over the past year. - On 05 15 17 approximately 31 million shares were shorted. The stock price was $315. - On 07 31 17 approximately 28 million shares were shorted. The stock price was $323 - On 11 15 17 approximately 30 million shares were shorted. The stock price was $311. - On 11 30 17 approximately 31 million shares were shorted. The stock price was $308. - On 04 13 18 approximately 38 million shares were shorted. The stock price was $300. - On 04 30 18 approximately 39 million shares were shorted. The stock price was $294. - On 05 11 18 approximately 40 million shares were shorted. The stock price was $301. See how the stock prices at these snapshots are consistent(ish) but the short interest has increased by 9 million shares over the nearly year-long time period? One of the theories spread by short sellers is that Tesla CAN NOT sell ANY ADDITIONAL shares of stock. They will explain that no one will buy the shares and that it will crash the stock. Well is that true? No. The evidence supports the opposite. Short selling is nothing but borrowing shares from someone who owns them and re-selling them. The practice is essentially an artificial dilution of the stock. It depresses the stock s price by filling in this situation 9 million shares worth of buy orders. Now... Imagine for a moment that you wake up on 05 15 17 with Tesla having 31 million shares shorted and a stock price of $315. If someone out of no where came out and started filling 9 million shares worth of buy orders...and kept selling until all 9 million shares they borrowed to short were sold...what do you think would happen? Nothing good. Nothing short of a total stock collapse. There have been normal days where just 1-2 million shares of volume in the early morning of trading can cause 10% declines in Tesla. BUT WAIT... Here we are on 05 11 2018 the stock price is roughly the same a year later...but the shorted shares has INCREASED by 9 million. You know what that means? Tesla shareholders have been artificially diluted by short sellers to the amount of 9 million shares over the past year yet the price of those shares is unchanged. Tesla shareholders absorbed 9 million shares worth of dilution. It didn t work. More people are buying the stock. They sold 9 million shares to depress the market...to fill those buy orders and lower the price...but its at the same price as before. That means the financial methods of lowering Tesla s stock isn t working. And they are running out of shares to borrow and sell. So now the anti-Tesla campaigns are being waged through other means in order to try to trigger a response. More specially those short sellers will now be attempting to make mountains out of molehills when it comes to anything Tesla related. They ve seen that selling stock isn t working...shareholders just keep buying. They are now trying to convince those shareholders that they ve bought something worth zero. They want to convince people that they ve wasted their money and have no clue what they are investing in. They are doing this because they realize this is a battle over the hearts and minds of the current shareholders. Simply trying to get more people to bet against Tesla isn t having the desired effect and soon they won t be able to bet against Tesla because there won t be any shares left to borrow and sell. So the next time you see something insanely negative and almost laughably biased...understand that you are involved in essentially a psy-ops campaign. Which leads me to this... The shorts can t really leave their short positions. They are stuck. As I just stated these shares that they ve sold all 40 million shares of their artificial dilution are being held by hardcore shareholders. If they attempted to buy 40 million shares on the open market those shares are being held by people who are so battle-tested and nearly immune to the nonsense floating around who have held through so much nonsense that very few will sell. They NEED big drops in Tesla s stock price so they can buy without creating a rising price. They will seek to make ANYTHING a big story. Even if it lowers the stock $30 for just a few days it helps them get out of their bets. An example of this: executive departures... Tesla s stock WILL drop big and fast on Monday due to the media campaign of making every Tesla HR move a national headline. Even though millions of people changed jobs in the world they will do EVERYTHING possible to make you think that 1 guy taking a new job and 1 guy taking a few weeks off is a big deal. Just remember why they are doing it... And for those who say the media isn t on the side of the short sellers...don t be fools. Paying people a couple hundred thousand dollars to find anything remotely negative to ensure that the media is on your side when it comes to a bet that is a couple hundred million billion dollars...they d be foolish and irresponsible if they weren t doing it. *EDIT* - DISCLAIMER: I am long TSLA. But no I m not trying to convince you to buy the stock. The less retail investors there are in TSLA the better. Weak hands should never buy TSLA. DO NOT BUY TSLA if you can t handle watching large sums of your stock s value disappear. | I know people get really into the short vs long narrative but the institutional investors who set the long term price only care about production revenue growth profit margin and some sort of path towards profitability. No one gives a shit about 90% of the stuff that professional shorts go on and on about. I spent some time last week reading a few Twitter feeds of Tesla shorts and those people are as obsessed and emotionally involved in Tesla as the biggest possible fanboy. It s almost all extrapolation and pettiness with a lack of understanding that past financial performance does not guarantee future failure. I can only give one data point but my Model 3 is utterly amazing and 3 of the 4 people who have ridden in my car so far were blown away and talking about getting one (the other guy is broke and oblivious to cars). I had to break the news that there were 400k people ahead of them in line and they can t get one for over a year. The potential for the company is astronomical... they just need to execute on their plan which all signs point to them doing. The ~6 month delay of the Model 3 ramp will be inconsequential in the big picture if that s as long as it ends up being. I can only imagine the demand Model Y will have if they nail the design and don t make any impractical design choices for the sake of being different. | Tesla shorts are doing everything they can to convince the rest of the world that they re smarter than Tesla longs is not exactly a newsworthy epiphany. | 97 | 17 | 2,395 |
8j2737 | 76 | [Discussion] I think Tesla is being potentially too misleading with their Auto Pilot marketing site. **[Tesla s webpage on Auto Pilot](https: www.tesla.com autopilot)** **EDIT: Please please check the page out first before replying. It seems many people are not aware how Tesla is labeling Auto Pilot as a FSD tech these days.** First thing that jumps to the readers attention after loading the page is the following sentence in large fonts: > **Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars** Followed by: > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory including Model 3 have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. For people who are familiar with this field we understand that just by having hardware is nowhere close to being sufficient. Many of us understand how much of a critical role software plays in the pursuit of FSD. The same cannot be said for the mainstream consumers who aren t tech enthusiasts. I d argue it s up to Tesla to explain that in an easy to understand manner. Another concern is that to a large group of consumers hardware is a word that s interchangeable with equipment (i.e military hardware). Tesla does not follow this paragraph with an immediate disclaimer nor is this paragraph annotated with the familiar * or a numbered supernate for additional clarification. What follows the first paragraph is the Order Model S and Order Model X buttons and a full video demoing full self driving. Again the video does not explain it is demoing a *future* capability instead of something that s already shipping. **Actual disclaimer being misleading** If one scrolls down the page further the reader will encounter a more nuanced disclaimer for Full Self Driving Capability: > Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval. I personally think this paragraph is incredibly misleading since it has no mention of actual software implementation development being a necessary step in achieving FSD. There are still significant amount of work to be done both in software and hardware in order to achieve FSD. However Tesla names government regulatory approval being the *major bottleneck* (in fact mentioned twice in a row) along with software *validation* which may mislead many into thinking the whole capability is already complete just more testing and government approval are needed. This in combination with the demo video at the beginning of the page only further causes confusion. **Why I think these are concerning:** I am pretty sure Tesla is *technically* correct in all the descriptions on their website. For example it never claimed software validation is the *only* engineering step left it is just happens to be the only one mentioned. It never said a Model S X 3 has FSD as of today it just conveniently put Order Model S and Order Model X buttons right above a FSD video and right below Full Self Driving Capability main title. All of these decisions are probably legally defendable but motivation wise very very questionable. In fact if I were given the task to mislead as many consumers as possible into thinking FSD == Auto Pilot without resort to actually lying or get into legal trouble the current webpage would far exceed my best efforts. P.S. I just want a good discussion on this topic and perhaps hear some perspectives that I ve not heard before. No doubt I ll get tons of downvotes and many PMs calling me a troll a TSLA shorter or a FUD guy working for GM Exxon BMW Comcast All-Of-The-Above here but none of that would bother me as long as we can have a healthy debate on what I think is a pretty important issue. | I have co-workers who already assumed that autopilot was full self driving simply because it s marketed as autopilot. There s a lot of people who aren t tech savvy or that don t keep up to date on car tech enough to differentiate EAP and FSD. When clickbait articles come of that a car Tesla crashed with AP on they assume the cars responsible and not the driver simply because they aren t familiar with the way the system operates. | I agree. It is definitely advertised in a way where the general population will read it as if it is already good to go which is extremely misleading. I think you re going to have a tough time making your voice heard given the groupthink that goes on in this sub. People here don t take kindly to anything that can be viewed as anti-Tesla. | 47 | 11 | 2,396 |
8j2lfu | 144 | Sickening to see these brutally misleading headlines [USAToday News](https: amp.usatoday.com amp 605429002) Headline says “Tesla with autopilot slams into truck stopped at red light” but later the article writes that “police say it s unknown if the autopilot feature was engaged”. The news brings so much attention to accidents involving Teslas that many probably don t realize how much safer they actually are. It also seems like they are targeting autopilot as if it s dangerous when it s better than most human drivers. It s just disappointing to see the news unfairly treating Tesla when this new technology is bringing us into the future. | Tesla needs to get a page up with 1. Safety Statistics with their real data (which is coming) 2. Status of Autopilot Capability at the current point in time with examples 3. Videos of scenarios to watch out for where AP can t handle with explanations why (like an abrupt stationary object appears in a path when a primary object moves out of the general path.) The only way to combat all of this is to be damn clear which Tesla needs to get on top of. > “Traffic-Aware Cruise Control cannot detect all objects and may not brake decelerate for stationary vehicles especially in situations when you are driving over 50 mph (80 km h) and a vehicle you are following moves out of your driving path and a stationary vehicle or object is in front of you instead.” https: insideevs.com tesla-autopilot-emergency-braking-systems-blind-parked-fire-trucks > Let s think this over for just a minute. If your car hits the brakes every time there s a piece of debris on the road or it sees any type of stationary object this could actually cause an accident or give the driver whiplash. False positives can be a real problem for such technology. All current automatic emergency braking and adaptive cruise control systems are designed to be “blind” to various fixed objects. If not the system wouldn t be able to do its job. > According to Wired Volvo s Pilot Assist system is much the same. The vehicles manual explains that not only will the car fail to brake for a sudden stationary object it may actually race toward it to regain its set speed: > “Pilot Assist will ignore the stationary vehicle and instead accelerate to the stored speed. The driver must then intervene and apply the brakes.” | Tesla crashes are the only thing that are more clickbait than Trump+Russia stories :) | 57 | 3 | 2,397 |
8jezx1 | 85 | I did some calculations to see if Teslas are in fact safer than ICE cars in terms of fire risk Beware there are some assumptions ahead. According to the NFPA in 2010 there are roughly an average of [287 000 vehicle fires a year](https: www.nfpa.org news-and-research fire-statistics-and-reports fire-statistics vehicle-fires vehicle-fire-trends-and-patterns) in the US. That s about 786 vehicle fires a day on average. Of those 3% or ~24 are the result of a collision (which represents 58% of civilian car fire deaths). Remember per day. [According to Wikipedia](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States) there are about 263.6 million vehicles in the US. According to [random people s predictions](https: forums.tesla.com node 93189?no_cache=1526324825) (remember I said assumptions!) Tesla has sold around 200 000 vehicles in the US to date. That means Tesla makes up about 0.08% of all vehicles in the US. So if we combine these estimates there should be an average of 0.0192 Tesla fires a day as the result of collision which means that Teslas should be bursting into flame on average once every 52 days. There have been [14 total fires worldwide](http: news.trust.org item 20180511104415-uzezs ) ([thanks u thehikingbadger](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8jezx1 i_did_some_calculations_to_see_if_teslas_are_in dyz4rve )). Which means that Tesla should have only been making cars for two years (728 days 52 * 14) to have the average number of fires. Turns out Teslas aren t unsafe after all. --- Other key facts to keep in mind: - Deaths due to vehicle fires following a collision are responsible for *far more* deaths than any other cause of a vehicle fire because in a collision intense enough to cause a fire it s highly likely that the vehicle has been damaged to the point where the doors no longer operate (in any car). - The above statistics **only** cover collision fires which are 3% of all vehicle fires. The media however covers *every* instance of a Tesla fire (although ones that aren t the result of a collision with far less intensity). - If we considered all causes of vehicle fires Teslas should be burning every other day. - One of the more recent fires was the Model X in California that slammed into a solid concrete barrier at I think 80 mph yet the driver died at the hospital. In most cars (especially those without the front crumple zone of an EV) you would die on impact. - Batteries can burn if damaged. As it turns out so can gasoline. | It s 14 fires globally including the one today. [Source](http: news.trust.org item 20180511104415-uzezs ) I concur on your conclusion regarding the likelihood of fire (although your data is a little stale - it s from 2003-2007). However where it gets sketchy is Tesla has now had 7 deaths in those 14 incidents. When you drill down in your [NFPA data](https: www.nfpa.org News-and-Research Fire-statistics-and-reports Fire-statistics Vehicle-fires Highway-vehicle-fires) you ll note that in 2015 there were 445 deaths in 174 000 fires. That s a death rate of only 0.25% vs 50% for Tesla. I m not a statistician so I don t know what the significance interval is. It is a low sample size for Tesla but it does kind of raise your eyebrows. | 10 fires worldwide? There were reports of ~~3~~ 2 fires this week! Edit: 2 fires the AP fire truck accident did not result in a fire even through there was the word fire in the title... | 35 | 3 | 2,398 |
8jezx1 | 85 | I did some calculations to see if Teslas are in fact safer than ICE cars in terms of fire risk Beware there are some assumptions ahead. According to the NFPA in 2010 there are roughly an average of [287 000 vehicle fires a year](https: www.nfpa.org news-and-research fire-statistics-and-reports fire-statistics vehicle-fires vehicle-fire-trends-and-patterns) in the US. That s about 786 vehicle fires a day on average. Of those 3% or ~24 are the result of a collision (which represents 58% of civilian car fire deaths). Remember per day. [According to Wikipedia](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Passenger_vehicles_in_the_United_States) there are about 263.6 million vehicles in the US. According to [random people s predictions](https: forums.tesla.com node 93189?no_cache=1526324825) (remember I said assumptions!) Tesla has sold around 200 000 vehicles in the US to date. That means Tesla makes up about 0.08% of all vehicles in the US. So if we combine these estimates there should be an average of 0.0192 Tesla fires a day as the result of collision which means that Teslas should be bursting into flame on average once every 52 days. There have been [14 total fires worldwide](http: news.trust.org item 20180511104415-uzezs ) ([thanks u thehikingbadger](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8jezx1 i_did_some_calculations_to_see_if_teslas_are_in dyz4rve )). Which means that Tesla should have only been making cars for two years (728 days 52 * 14) to have the average number of fires. Turns out Teslas aren t unsafe after all. --- Other key facts to keep in mind: - Deaths due to vehicle fires following a collision are responsible for *far more* deaths than any other cause of a vehicle fire because in a collision intense enough to cause a fire it s highly likely that the vehicle has been damaged to the point where the doors no longer operate (in any car). - The above statistics **only** cover collision fires which are 3% of all vehicle fires. The media however covers *every* instance of a Tesla fire (although ones that aren t the result of a collision with far less intensity). - If we considered all causes of vehicle fires Teslas should be burning every other day. - One of the more recent fires was the Model X in California that slammed into a solid concrete barrier at I think 80 mph yet the driver died at the hospital. In most cars (especially those without the front crumple zone of an EV) you would die on impact. - Batteries can burn if damaged. As it turns out so can gasoline. | How do you factor in the age difference between the average Tesla and the average car on the road. Most Teslas are really quite new while most cars on the road are old. I imagine that the older a car gets \\(and is still driven\\) the more likely it is to catch fire due to poor quality repairs broken parts etc. In order to see if Teslas catch fire more than similar cars you d have to complete the study for a similar vehicle say 2012\\-2018 BMW 5\\-series or something like that. | 10 fires worldwide? There were reports of ~~3~~ 2 fires this week! Edit: 2 fires the AP fire truck accident did not result in a fire even through there was the word fire in the title... | 32 | 3 | 2,399 |
8jfokl | 41 | [Discussion] What s up with all the wraps?!? Am I missing something here? I m not much of a car guy so I could easily be missing something. I ve seen a bazillion posts on this sub about getting your Tesla wrapped. From what I can tell it s mostly for pant protection rather than getting a sick ass tiger on the side of your Model S 3 or X. What I seem to be missing here is... why? When I Google the cost of getting your car painted it comes up as like... [$1 300](https: www.google.com search?q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+have+a+car+painted& rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS785US785& oq=how+& aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i59j69i65j0j69i65.1470j0j7& sourceid=chrome& ie=UTF-8). However when I look at how much getting JUST the front of your car wrapped with XPEL Ultimate is it looks like it s [$1 700](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqze7 model_3_accessories_review_san_diego_group_buy ). So wouldn t it be better to hope nothing bad happens and then if it does and it s bad enough to warrant a re\\-paint to just pay to have your whole car repainted then? Or is there something I m missing here where places that apply the XPEL have a lifetime guarantee to fix any paint issues or something? I feel like this is something more open to discussion than a simple answer btw. I assume people have different reasons for why they decided on getting a wrap or not. | I think it s mostly because you re on an enthusiast forum that previously catered only to people who buy cars that retail at $75-140k. You don t need a wrap on a Tesla any more than you do a Honda Accord. I might get a ceramic coating myself which I also don t need but I hate waxing my car and this is the first car I ve bought that I d consider sexy and I ll enjoy it looking clean and shiny on a daily basis. | Well if you have the money to buy an expensive car (60 to 130k) $1500 is a small percent more. And people want more choice of colors than Tesla offers. Also rage for distinction | 42 | 5 | 2,400 |
8ji4lk | 68 | My Model 3 experience is quickly turning into a Model S one. So I took delivery of my Tesla on 5 3. During delivery I noticed chipped paint and a loose bumper. They fixed the bumper and told me they fixed the paint issue. When I got it into sunlight I noticed the paint looked terrible where they did the touch up there was a curb rash and a huge scratch on the center console in the back seat. I called Tesla a few hours after taking Delivery and got an appointment set up. Day 2 my wife calls to tell me the car left a blue puddle under the back seat. I don t think much of it. Day 3 puddle is much larger. A few Google searches make me believe it s battery fluid I call service and after some back and forth between call center and service center they ask me to bring it in immediately. I m in a loaner Model S 46 hours after taking delivery. Aside from all the blue liquid they tell me they re going to repaint the whole door restore the rim and replace the center console. They say it s going to be at least a week and I won t start until 5 7. Fast forward to today I hadnt heard anything so I called the service center. They said they text me on 5 7 to a number I haven t had in 7 months. It s not in my Tesla profile nor was it on the piece of paper with all my service stuff. I ordered the car when I had that number guessing that s how they got it. They tell me the rim damage isn t covered under warranty the car isn t leaking anything but that the wiper fluid was a little low and that they replaced the center console and restored the door. After some protest they fix the rim and I go to pick it up. Rim looks great hopefully whatever leak resolved itself console has been replaced but they never touched the door. I took photos before and they hadn t touched it. The repair paperwork says they retouched the paint but they agreed with my photos. I hate to be so picky but the car set me back nearly $60k. 4 issues in 48 hours 2 fixed 1 unknown and 1 not fixed. Getting real used to this Model S though! Edit: Figured I d show the photos. Really just upset about them not touching the door after they told me they d repaint it. Edit 2: Sorry I m dumb https: imgur.com a dCzR3QD | > I hate to be so picky but the car set me back nearly $60k. Not being picky at all. The people at my store made a big deal about the car being perfect and that should be the expectation for everyone. So was the car leaking wiper fluid? I ve had puddles under mine but it s water so assume it s just normal AC drainage. | Ugh sorry. That s such a disappointment I am sure I hope they make it right. | 62 | 11 | 2,401 |
8jlxym | 454 | A friendly reminder with these rising gas prices Gas prices are hitting highs and it s easy to feel good about that when you purchased an EV. But please don t forget that new cars EVs and Tesla s in general are expensive and not everyone can afford them. Please don t be that guy or gal who boasts about their Tesla and how they re *so* glad they don t have to pay for gas — it makes all of us look bad. | The golden rule: don t be an asshole | Agreed. Not only that - but everyone is affected by high gas prices - whether you drive an EV or not. Price of other goods and services goes up. There s nothing to laugh about. | 441 | 114 | 2,402 |
8jlxym | 454 | A friendly reminder with these rising gas prices Gas prices are hitting highs and it s easy to feel good about that when you purchased an EV. But please don t forget that new cars EVs and Tesla s in general are expensive and not everyone can afford them. Please don t be that guy or gal who boasts about their Tesla and how they re *so* glad they don t have to pay for gas — it makes all of us look bad. | And especially don t drive through gas stations laughing. | I don t think it matters until it hits about $4.00. I remember I hated filling up at that rate. If it reaches that they I ll say I don t have to deal with it.... Also don t forget some people don t care about gas prices. These people who drive Dodges with 14MPG with 21 gallon tanks they are already expensive to fill up. | 59 | 4 | 2,403 |
8jlxym | 454 | A friendly reminder with these rising gas prices Gas prices are hitting highs and it s easy to feel good about that when you purchased an EV. But please don t forget that new cars EVs and Tesla s in general are expensive and not everyone can afford them. Please don t be that guy or gal who boasts about their Tesla and how they re *so* glad they don t have to pay for gas — it makes all of us look bad. | And especially don t drive through gas stations laughing. | People can buy a used leaf if they need to. They don t hate evs because they re jealous they hate evs because they re morons and conservative media tells them to. | 59 | 4 | 2,404 |
8jmg9z | 119 | Tesla Model 3 IIHS Crash Avoidance & Headlight Rating Superior crash avoidance and acceptable headlights. Still no crash data.... http: www.iihs.org iihs ratings vehicle v tesla model-3-4-door-sedan | Only acceptable headlights? I think they are great. | Why is the optimal low beam illumination so much farther on the right? To see things on the side of the road? | 49 | 3 | 2,405 |
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