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7xqvxf | 214 | Hypothesis Confirmed - received configurator email in just 1 week! As a non-owner who put a reservation down on 4 1 16 I still haven t received my configurator email. I wasn t in a rush since my lease doesn t expire until June. Given the recent push back I ordered through my dad s Tesla acct (he owns an X) last thursday. Less than 1 week we just received a configurator email. So yes even today 2 year old non-owner reservation is getting leap frogged by owners who just now are putting down reservations! | This is good news. It means they are near the bottom of the list of previous owners! | Strange I am a day 1 model 3 owner. Ordered an S 2 weeks ago (but not taken delivery). I wonder when I will get bumped to front of the line..? | 77 | 2 | 2,106 |
7xqvxf | 214 | Hypothesis Confirmed - received configurator email in just 1 week! As a non-owner who put a reservation down on 4 1 16 I still haven t received my configurator email. I wasn t in a rush since my lease doesn t expire until June. Given the recent push back I ordered through my dad s Tesla acct (he owns an X) last thursday. Less than 1 week we just received a configurator email. So yes even today 2 year old non-owner reservation is getting leap frogged by owners who just now are putting down reservations! | This is good news. It means they are near the bottom of the list of previous owners! | What is the best way to get our message across to Tesla that this is totally unfair to those of us who have been waiting patiently for years? Is tweeting to Elon more effective than emailing Tesla? | 77 | 5 | 2,107 |
7xqvxf | 214 | Hypothesis Confirmed - received configurator email in just 1 week! As a non-owner who put a reservation down on 4 1 16 I still haven t received my configurator email. I wasn t in a rush since my lease doesn t expire until June. Given the recent push back I ordered through my dad s Tesla acct (he owns an X) last thursday. Less than 1 week we just received a configurator email. So yes even today 2 year old non-owner reservation is getting leap frogged by owners who just now are putting down reservations! | This is good news. It means they are near the bottom of the list of previous owners! | Well my search continues to find a Tesla owner in the Bay Area that is not wanting a Model 3 but willing to take my $$$ to order one 😭💀🧐 | 77 | 7 | 2,108 |
7xtb38 | 204 | Trump suggests $0.25 hike in gas tax https: www.cnn.com 2018 02 14 politics trump-gas-tax index.html If passed it would be hugely positive for EVs and solar electricity generation indirectly. | First good idea I hear out of this administration | And California just had a gas tax hike of $0.12 per gallon a few months back...this will go over well. | 110 | 8 | 2,109 |
7xtb38 | 204 | Trump suggests $0.25 hike in gas tax https: www.cnn.com 2018 02 14 politics trump-gas-tax index.html If passed it would be hugely positive for EVs and solar electricity generation indirectly. | First good idea I hear out of this administration | If passed it might amplify complaints about EVs not paying their fair share. That said it would be better if coupled with an actual financial plan and mandate for GHG reductions... 😥 | 110 | 29 | 2,110 |
7xtb38 | 204 | Trump suggests $0.25 hike in gas tax https: www.cnn.com 2018 02 14 politics trump-gas-tax index.html If passed it would be hugely positive for EVs and solar electricity generation indirectly. | First good idea I hear out of this administration | the federal gas tax hasn t been raised since 1993 said Carper the top Democrat on the Environment and Public Works Committee | 110 | 54 | 2,111 |
7yf8yh | 120 | [Discussion]: TESLA Roadmap 2018-2022 (guesses) Hi All Super long term lurker finally wanted to get some thoughts down. I wanted to speculate on Tesla s long-term roadmap based on tidbits we know and some educating guessing. After 2018 I won t speculate when they announce just go live. Here is my guess at the 2018-2022 Roadmap for Telsa. **2018** *Roadmap Additions (highly likely)* * Model 3 AWD * Model 3 Performance * Model 3 S X FSD * Model Y Reveal (October: to time with Q3 financial data release) *Key Knowledge points* * new Roadster uses 3 PM motors * 2170 s are a step change in efficiency and charging * Megacharges are coming * Elon stated (model Y after Model 3 truck after Model Y) **2019** *Roadmap Additions* * Gigafactory 3 (home of Model Y) - my guess Ohio * Gigafactory 4 - my guess China * Semi sleeper cab reveal * Semi 500kwh & 800kwh details emerge * Semi will be built at Gigafactory 1 **2020** *Model S Big Refresh* * 3 motor architecture of incoming roadster (2 rear PM 1 front PM motor) * 2170 s * 100kwh + 150kwh + 200kwh (enabling 300 450 600 miles) * First model available to mega chargers (200 miles in 10 minutes or less) * 0-60 (2.1 software limited) *Roadster 2.0* * All we know plus * 100kwh base model * adaptive suspension * new regen mode (track no need to brake on lapping days) * new cooling mode (for many hot laps) **2021** *Model Y launch* * AWD standard * The first car made in a dark factory Model X Major Refresh * following Model S updated architecture (bigger batteries mega charging etc) **2022** *Truck!* * 4 PM motor architecture debut * allows for independent wheel operation great for towing (the feature Elon teased on twitter) * 200 kwh and 400kwh (2170 s will be CHEAP by 2022) * 400 kwh allows for towing of maximum capacity 500 miles+ * Modify track mode regen for towing * Independent wheel drive for towing *[edit] formatting* | Looks fairly good. Here s my tweaks on your predictions.. 1) model y - they will target end of 19. Factory will not be dark. 2) China - will be canceled due to China forcing business partners 3) truck 2021 ( first dark factory ) 4) model S refresh will be beginning of 19. | This makes me incredibly hyped for the future. Great Post! | 44 | 5 | 2,112 |
7yf8yh | 120 | [Discussion]: TESLA Roadmap 2018-2022 (guesses) Hi All Super long term lurker finally wanted to get some thoughts down. I wanted to speculate on Tesla s long-term roadmap based on tidbits we know and some educating guessing. After 2018 I won t speculate when they announce just go live. Here is my guess at the 2018-2022 Roadmap for Telsa. **2018** *Roadmap Additions (highly likely)* * Model 3 AWD * Model 3 Performance * Model 3 S X FSD * Model Y Reveal (October: to time with Q3 financial data release) *Key Knowledge points* * new Roadster uses 3 PM motors * 2170 s are a step change in efficiency and charging * Megacharges are coming * Elon stated (model Y after Model 3 truck after Model Y) **2019** *Roadmap Additions* * Gigafactory 3 (home of Model Y) - my guess Ohio * Gigafactory 4 - my guess China * Semi sleeper cab reveal * Semi 500kwh & 800kwh details emerge * Semi will be built at Gigafactory 1 **2020** *Model S Big Refresh* * 3 motor architecture of incoming roadster (2 rear PM 1 front PM motor) * 2170 s * 100kwh + 150kwh + 200kwh (enabling 300 450 600 miles) * First model available to mega chargers (200 miles in 10 minutes or less) * 0-60 (2.1 software limited) *Roadster 2.0* * All we know plus * 100kwh base model * adaptive suspension * new regen mode (track no need to brake on lapping days) * new cooling mode (for many hot laps) **2021** *Model Y launch* * AWD standard * The first car made in a dark factory Model X Major Refresh * following Model S updated architecture (bigger batteries mega charging etc) **2022** *Truck!* * 4 PM motor architecture debut * allows for independent wheel operation great for towing (the feature Elon teased on twitter) * 200 kwh and 400kwh (2170 s will be CHEAP by 2022) * 400 kwh allows for towing of maximum capacity 500 miles+ * Modify track mode regen for towing * Independent wheel drive for towing *[edit] formatting* | Looks fairly good. Here s my tweaks on your predictions.. 1) model y - they will target end of 19. Factory will not be dark. 2) China - will be canceled due to China forcing business partners 3) truck 2021 ( first dark factory ) 4) model S refresh will be beginning of 19. | Would love to see Model Y gigafactory in Ohio. Lots of auto manufacturing support with Honda in Marysville and TRC in East Liberty. Cheap real estate too! | 44 | 5 | 2,113 |
7yjp9q | 142 | I just realized why Tesla doesn t get much positive coverage from most mainstream media The other day I read this story about how ESPN changed a headline after an advertiser complained: https: deadspin.com source-espn-com-altered-a-headline-and-buried-stories-1823014722 Then today there was a discussion posted here about an LA Times article bashing Tesla: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7yfwna some_early_owners_of_teslas_model_3_are_reporting It made me wonder: Why does Tesla seem to get such a rough reception in the media compared with other car companies? Then I put two and two together and it clicked: TESLA DOESN T ADVERTISE! http: adage.com article cmo-strategy tesla-paid-advertising 310008 http: www.adweek.com brand-marketing with-a-0-ad-budget-tesla-just-pulled-off-one-of-the-greatest-marketing-stunts-ever http: mediakix.com 2017 07 tesla-advertising-zero-spend-budget-charts GM Ford Toyota and all the rest each spend BILLIONS per year on advertising just in the US. For example Toyota alone spent 2 BILLION DOLLARS on US advertising in 2016: https: www.statista.com statistics 261539 toyotas-advertising-spending-in-the-us So it makes perfect sense. Despite what the media would have you think they will never bite the hand that feeds them. That is why you ll rarely see a negative story about GM or Ford or whoever unless it s a big scandal like Diesel-gate and they HAVE to cover it. And even then they will minimize it and downplay it. But Tesla doesn t pay them so the media have no reason to play nice and they will blast Tesla every chance they get. The editor won t kill the story or tone it down as they would with a sponsor. So while I do realize they are many perfectly legitimate criticisms of Tesla it s logical to think that the advertising spending of the big traditional manufacturers affects the kind of coverage they get especially in traditional media. | I know it s a popular trope on this sub but as a voracious reader of mainstream media they are almost all overwhelmingly positive towards Tesla. Getting hung up on a few articles here and doesn t help the Tesla cause. Even outlets that this sub bans like businessinsider is almost entirely pro-tesla. | I do also think there s something to be said for the fact that so many millions of people work or have worked in the auto industry. It doesn t even have to be malicious necessarily. People just like what they are used to especially if they are a more conservative psychology (which is less common in the markets buying Teslas). | 51 | 3 | 2,114 |
7yjp9q | 142 | I just realized why Tesla doesn t get much positive coverage from most mainstream media The other day I read this story about how ESPN changed a headline after an advertiser complained: https: deadspin.com source-espn-com-altered-a-headline-and-buried-stories-1823014722 Then today there was a discussion posted here about an LA Times article bashing Tesla: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7yfwna some_early_owners_of_teslas_model_3_are_reporting It made me wonder: Why does Tesla seem to get such a rough reception in the media compared with other car companies? Then I put two and two together and it clicked: TESLA DOESN T ADVERTISE! http: adage.com article cmo-strategy tesla-paid-advertising 310008 http: www.adweek.com brand-marketing with-a-0-ad-budget-tesla-just-pulled-off-one-of-the-greatest-marketing-stunts-ever http: mediakix.com 2017 07 tesla-advertising-zero-spend-budget-charts GM Ford Toyota and all the rest each spend BILLIONS per year on advertising just in the US. For example Toyota alone spent 2 BILLION DOLLARS on US advertising in 2016: https: www.statista.com statistics 261539 toyotas-advertising-spending-in-the-us So it makes perfect sense. Despite what the media would have you think they will never bite the hand that feeds them. That is why you ll rarely see a negative story about GM or Ford or whoever unless it s a big scandal like Diesel-gate and they HAVE to cover it. And even then they will minimize it and downplay it. But Tesla doesn t pay them so the media have no reason to play nice and they will blast Tesla every chance they get. The editor won t kill the story or tone it down as they would with a sponsor. So while I do realize they are many perfectly legitimate criticisms of Tesla it s logical to think that the advertising spending of the big traditional manufacturers affects the kind of coverage they get especially in traditional media. | I know it s a popular trope on this sub but as a voracious reader of mainstream media they are almost all overwhelmingly positive towards Tesla. Getting hung up on a few articles here and doesn t help the Tesla cause. Even outlets that this sub bans like businessinsider is almost entirely pro-tesla. | Good point... I think the other reason is any article on Tesla is going to attract viewers readers... So every reason to write something about Tesla and no reason not to write something bad about Tesla... I also think the media an most journalists are in left wing right wing or green conservative camps....and most of their readers viewers are already in the same camp... | 51 | 4 | 2,115 |
7yjp9q | 142 | I just realized why Tesla doesn t get much positive coverage from most mainstream media The other day I read this story about how ESPN changed a headline after an advertiser complained: https: deadspin.com source-espn-com-altered-a-headline-and-buried-stories-1823014722 Then today there was a discussion posted here about an LA Times article bashing Tesla: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7yfwna some_early_owners_of_teslas_model_3_are_reporting It made me wonder: Why does Tesla seem to get such a rough reception in the media compared with other car companies? Then I put two and two together and it clicked: TESLA DOESN T ADVERTISE! http: adage.com article cmo-strategy tesla-paid-advertising 310008 http: www.adweek.com brand-marketing with-a-0-ad-budget-tesla-just-pulled-off-one-of-the-greatest-marketing-stunts-ever http: mediakix.com 2017 07 tesla-advertising-zero-spend-budget-charts GM Ford Toyota and all the rest each spend BILLIONS per year on advertising just in the US. For example Toyota alone spent 2 BILLION DOLLARS on US advertising in 2016: https: www.statista.com statistics 261539 toyotas-advertising-spending-in-the-us So it makes perfect sense. Despite what the media would have you think they will never bite the hand that feeds them. That is why you ll rarely see a negative story about GM or Ford or whoever unless it s a big scandal like Diesel-gate and they HAVE to cover it. And even then they will minimize it and downplay it. But Tesla doesn t pay them so the media have no reason to play nice and they will blast Tesla every chance they get. The editor won t kill the story or tone it down as they would with a sponsor. So while I do realize they are many perfectly legitimate criticisms of Tesla it s logical to think that the advertising spending of the big traditional manufacturers affects the kind of coverage they get especially in traditional media. | I know it s a popular trope on this sub but as a voracious reader of mainstream media they are almost all overwhelmingly positive towards Tesla. Getting hung up on a few articles here and doesn t help the Tesla cause. Even outlets that this sub bans like businessinsider is almost entirely pro-tesla. | Tesla has done some product placement in the past but you are correct for the most part. They also don t have the production capacity to advertise. The last thing they need right now at least in regards to Model 3 is to advertise. Traditional channels are going by the wayside and plenty of user generated advertising is free online. | 51 | 4 | 2,116 |
7yqf7o | 98 | Just gave up my model 3 spot to one of you Just got notified from Tesla that my model 3 would be ready in 4-6 weeks. I let them know I wanted to wait until December when my model S lease is up. Hope it benefitted one of you. | You may want to reconsider... 7500 pays for a lot of monthly payments on a 3! | Thanks! | 60 | 4 | 2,117 |
7yqf7o | 98 | Just gave up my model 3 spot to one of you Just got notified from Tesla that my model 3 would be ready in 4-6 weeks. I let them know I wanted to wait until December when my model S lease is up. Hope it benefitted one of you. | I appreciate it. If estimates that their current run rate is just over 1000 wk are true your generous deferral means we should expect to see that first non-owner invite 10 minutes earlier than previously anticipated. | Thanks! | 38 | 4 | 2,118 |
7z00ct | 148 | A former Tesla owner s fall from grace I recently sold my Tesla P90DL and got a new truck. This was a compromise with the wife to a) get a boat b) roadster in 2020. My wife and I have been joking at all the little things that I miss about the Tesla besides the insanely obvious things. Here s a comical look at my fall from grace and fictional (slightly) tale of the first day driving an ICE truck to work. THIS IS INTENDED TO BE COMICAL and I am completely aware that many features below are not Tesla specific. **Getting In** I approach the truck nothing happens. No door handles present themselves and the truck remains locked?! What is this madness? I have to reach all the way in my pocket and get the key out AND push the unlock button. **The Departure** I get in the truck and I can t simply put the truck in drive. I have to actually start it first! Since I am not used to using a key or keeping it out I have since put the key back in my pocket. I get the key out of my pocket AGAIN but this time I m in the vehicle so I have to do the awkward get horizontal as much as possible to access pocket stance. I then put the key in the ignition and start the truck. I put it in drive and off we go. **The Turn** My hands are cold no heated steering wheel!! At least I have heated seats focus on the positive. I reach the end of my neighborhood and stop to turn on the main road that leads to the freeway. A car is approaching and I see there s a good enough space between vehicles so I pull out after it passes. OH MY GOODNESS!! This thing goes 0-60 in 30 seconds!! The car I pulled out in front of is blaring it s horn and giving me the finger. I do the embarrassing wave and apologetic nod. They politely respond but you can feel the fury. I take a mental note that I now have to wait for long gaps between the next vehicle when pulling out. **The Stop** I begin to approach the red light before the freeway access ramp and so I let off the gas. THE TRUCK BARELY SLOWS DOWN!! I have to push the brake or roll through this light!! No regenerative braking?! After I stop to wait for the light to turn green I push the brake to engage heel hold and let off the brake so that I may contemplate life and relax after almost causing myself to be rear ended. THE TRUCK STARTS MOVING!! I have to hold the brake the entire time!! No heel hold!! I consider putting the truck in park but that s going to be a hassle so I take the mental note to hold the brake from here on out. **The Freeway** I get on the freeway and attempt to engage autopilot to relax after the stressful 10 minute drive so far... The windshield wipers start going and the brights turn on. There s no lovely dun duh to tell me autopilot is engaged. The sorrow settles in. Holding the brake is nothing compared to the fact that from now on I must completely DRIVE!! I frantically look to see if I at least have cruise control!! *WHEW* A small victory it has adaptive cruise control! Again focus on the positive. **The Arrival** I get to the office and drive past my normal Electric Low emissions parking spot. Hey the extra walking will be good for the body! I pull in to my potentially new perma-spot (don t act like you don t have one) and put the truck in park. I get out and grab my laptop from the back of the truck. Dangit!! I always put it in the frunk and don t have to worry about someone breaking in to my car and stealing it. This is something I need to remember to be wary of. I begin walking to the the building and I turn to see the vehicle I hear approaching behind me... There s no other vehicle behind me IT S MINE!! You fool!! I had to start it obviously I have to stop it! I get back in the truck and fake a quick phone call so nobody realizes I got out of my truck with it on. **The Trip Home Pt 1** It s time to go home. I ve endured the first day at the office as an ICE owner and everyone asking about the Tesla and reminding me of how much I will miss it. I walk to my truck and open the door. DANGIT!! I never locked it. Another mental note it doesn t lock itself I have to lock it!! I m so used to swiping down on navigate to see the estimated time home and traffic conditions... Nope. Again I am forced to assume the get horizontal as much as possible to access pocket stance to access my phone for Google Maps AND the key AGAIN to start the truck. Calm down let s just listen to some tunes. Oh no slacker let s try this Sirius XM thing. Sign up today for your free trial ?? Screw this let s listen to a podcast. F**K!! Wooo saaah. Let s just bluetooth it and turn it all the way up. I begin the drive and find the perfect song to rage out to. I turn it up oh no fun reminder of this one goes to eleven . I turn it all the way up... 62?! What kind of number is that for max? The phone volume must not be max because it feels like the Tesla on 5. F**K!! It s all the way up... You know what I m going to call the wife she always calms me down. **The Wife** Of course no voice activation to call the wife. I have to actually call her from the phone. Calm down she ll make it better. Me: Hey babe how s it going? Wife: You there? Me: Yea how was your day? Wife: I can barely hear you Me: DAMMIT! Let me turn off this bluetooth calling Wife: What? Me: The bluetooth must not be that good Wife: Oh I can hear you good now Me: I know I was saying... Nevermind how was your day? Wife: You know you left the garage door open all day? Me: Obviously I wouldn t intend to do that so I didn t know Wife: Look... Me: Sorry babe I m used to the Tesla automatically closing the garage as I leave. Look I ll see you when I get home Wife: Well SORRY. I m going to go to the grocery store so I ll see you in an hour **The Trip Home Pt 2** It starts to rain. The windshield wipers don t turn on. This is a brand new truck why would they not turn on? I remember them turning on when I tried to engage the auto pilot that didn t exist... UGH!! I manually turn on the windshield wipers. **The Arrival Pt 2** I pull in to the driveway and the garage door remains closed. I am reminded of the garage door not opening automatically. It almost feels like it s laughing at me doing a Gandolff impression YOU SHALL NOT PASS Since I always enter through the garage I do not keep a house key on me. Since I ve never needed a garage door opener I do not have one. Woooo saaah. **The End** I attempt to relax and wait in the truck for my wife to arrive when it happens!! An orange light pops up on the instrument cluster Low Fuel has reared it s ugly head... Tomorrow I must venture to the pits of hell known as THE GAS STATION !! | Meanwhile I m just sitting here waiting for a 3 which is nearly double the cost of what I thought I d spend on a car. | You bastard. Just kidding enjoy your boat and Roadster. | 29 | 3 | 2,119 |
7z0arq | 89 | Tesla.com now shows June 2018 for new Model S X orders [Here](https: i.imgur.com aUaomO7.gif) is a screenshot. The Model S designs studio used to show Late March until yesterday. It is unclear why the change happened but here are a few scenarios I can think of: & nbsp **1. Model S X refresh**: They might have stopped making the current cars and the refresh is underway. & nbsp **2. Production line upgrades:** Listen to Elon [here](https: youtu.be FaW85fIos64?t=3135) during the 7 Feb conference call. He said they need to upgrade the conveyer belt that supplies parts to the production line. Also they need to upgrade the south paint shop. & nbsp **3. Federal tax credits:** Tesla might have stopped delivering the S X in the US in order to delay the day they will reach 200 000 US sales. However it shows June 2018 for other countries too. However this could be because they have already too many international orders. & nbsp Update from Tesla: https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog | S and X are both showing June for me. X has been that way a few days. S was not last night but it is showing June now for me now. My uneducated guess is Tesla is trying to maximize Model 3 deliveries without hitting 200k. No real way to be certain but it s an interesting coincidence especially combined with the shift that Canadians are seeing for mid 2018 deliveries for LR. If this is being done to maximize the tax credit this would enable all 2018 deliveries to receive the full tax credit which means based on the current production plans some SR Model 3s would get $7 500 and a huge majority of the reservation holders would receive at least half the federal tax credit perhaps all (wild guess without really looking at numbers.) That wildly banks on production continuing to ramp successfully. Who knows though. Postponing S and X sales to June may frustrate wall street but Elon has said all along that he would do what is possible to maximize the tax credit. Maybe we can consider this the gift to day-one reservation holders ($7 500 tax credit.) I have a hard time believing Tesla would refresh the S and X while still in Model 3 hell. Seems like a big gamble to change things when the existing S and X are being produced without major issues as far as we know. A facelift or refresh could throw an ugly curveball into the mix if Model 3 is still struggling. I could definitely be wrong on this though. Just my 2 cents. | I have a $1 on 3 | 30 | 2 | 2,120 |
7z0arq | 89 | Tesla.com now shows June 2018 for new Model S X orders [Here](https: i.imgur.com aUaomO7.gif) is a screenshot. The Model S designs studio used to show Late March until yesterday. It is unclear why the change happened but here are a few scenarios I can think of: & nbsp **1. Model S X refresh**: They might have stopped making the current cars and the refresh is underway. & nbsp **2. Production line upgrades:** Listen to Elon [here](https: youtu.be FaW85fIos64?t=3135) during the 7 Feb conference call. He said they need to upgrade the conveyer belt that supplies parts to the production line. Also they need to upgrade the south paint shop. & nbsp **3. Federal tax credits:** Tesla might have stopped delivering the S X in the US in order to delay the day they will reach 200 000 US sales. However it shows June 2018 for other countries too. However this could be because they have already too many international orders. & nbsp Update from Tesla: https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog | S and X are both showing June for me. X has been that way a few days. S was not last night but it is showing June now for me now. My uneducated guess is Tesla is trying to maximize Model 3 deliveries without hitting 200k. No real way to be certain but it s an interesting coincidence especially combined with the shift that Canadians are seeing for mid 2018 deliveries for LR. If this is being done to maximize the tax credit this would enable all 2018 deliveries to receive the full tax credit which means based on the current production plans some SR Model 3s would get $7 500 and a huge majority of the reservation holders would receive at least half the federal tax credit perhaps all (wild guess without really looking at numbers.) That wildly banks on production continuing to ramp successfully. Who knows though. Postponing S and X sales to June may frustrate wall street but Elon has said all along that he would do what is possible to maximize the tax credit. Maybe we can consider this the gift to day-one reservation holders ($7 500 tax credit.) I have a hard time believing Tesla would refresh the S and X while still in Model 3 hell. Seems like a big gamble to change things when the existing S and X are being produced without major issues as far as we know. A facelift or refresh could throw an ugly curveball into the mix if Model 3 is still struggling. I could definitely be wrong on this though. Just my 2 cents. | I d lean towards more of 2 3 and a little bit of 1. Tesla knows that the interest in the Tax Credit is the big push for the 35k Car as they have quite a bit of research data from their first production groups already so they want to make sure they get it there to push it as hard as they can. They ll offset their manufacturing slowness by selling overseas (which they have been) since interest is high and doesn t impact that 200k count. I d expect them to hit 200k right on April 1st reveal the updated interior colors dual motors and then hard push as many of them out as possible to get to the standard range model. Good times ahead imo. Feb Mar might be a bit rough but they ll pull through with the announcement rollout on April 1st. Also note April 1st is just slightly > 2 years (off by 1 day) of their original unveiling of Model 3. EDIT: Also the facelift refresh would make sense for an additional push in April increase the likelihood of purchases for their S X line (which has far better margins) to make up for any sales gaps they might have from low numbers in Q1 18. | 30 | 2 | 2,121 |
7z0arq | 89 | Tesla.com now shows June 2018 for new Model S X orders [Here](https: i.imgur.com aUaomO7.gif) is a screenshot. The Model S designs studio used to show Late March until yesterday. It is unclear why the change happened but here are a few scenarios I can think of: & nbsp **1. Model S X refresh**: They might have stopped making the current cars and the refresh is underway. & nbsp **2. Production line upgrades:** Listen to Elon [here](https: youtu.be FaW85fIos64?t=3135) during the 7 Feb conference call. He said they need to upgrade the conveyer belt that supplies parts to the production line. Also they need to upgrade the south paint shop. & nbsp **3. Federal tax credits:** Tesla might have stopped delivering the S X in the US in order to delay the day they will reach 200 000 US sales. However it shows June 2018 for other countries too. However this could be because they have already too many international orders. & nbsp Update from Tesla: https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog | S and X are both showing June for me. X has been that way a few days. S was not last night but it is showing June now for me now. My uneducated guess is Tesla is trying to maximize Model 3 deliveries without hitting 200k. No real way to be certain but it s an interesting coincidence especially combined with the shift that Canadians are seeing for mid 2018 deliveries for LR. If this is being done to maximize the tax credit this would enable all 2018 deliveries to receive the full tax credit which means based on the current production plans some SR Model 3s would get $7 500 and a huge majority of the reservation holders would receive at least half the federal tax credit perhaps all (wild guess without really looking at numbers.) That wildly banks on production continuing to ramp successfully. Who knows though. Postponing S and X sales to June may frustrate wall street but Elon has said all along that he would do what is possible to maximize the tax credit. Maybe we can consider this the gift to day-one reservation holders ($7 500 tax credit.) I have a hard time believing Tesla would refresh the S and X while still in Model 3 hell. Seems like a big gamble to change things when the existing S and X are being produced without major issues as far as we know. A facelift or refresh could throw an ugly curveball into the mix if Model 3 is still struggling. I could definitely be wrong on this though. Just my 2 cents. | 3 may not smell likely. Throttling the higher revenue S X may not be the best idea for the bottom line. Has any difference between US and non-US delivery dates been observed? | 30 | 2 | 2,122 |
7z4358 | 41 | In case your interested in model 3 dual motor AWD 0-100 specs I meant Performance model. 0-60m **3.5s** 0-100km 3.8s BADASS. It s not official but come on guys it s Tesla it s not going to be worse. [source image](https: imgur.com a JCwIl) Research made by users from: [source](https: electrek.co 2017 10 17 tesla-model-3-performance-dual-motor-video-spotted-test-track ) based on [video spy capture from the test track](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=_jaCOWrCE7w) Who s waiting for dual motor configuration? | Just to clarify the car in the video is the Performance version not the Model 3 LRD because it has the red brake calipers which come with the P versions only. There will be a non-performance long range AWD similar to Model S 100D vs Model S P100D. People usually mean the non-performance version when they say just AWD. The Model 3 comes in 5 versions: * Model 3 SR: $35 000 (Price confirmed) [aka Model 3 55] * Model 3 LR: $44 000 (Price confirmed) [aka Model 3 75] * Model 3 SRD: $39 500 (Price estimated) [aka Model 3 55D] * Model 3 LRD: $48 500 (Price estimated) [aka Model 3 75D] * Model 3 P: $74 500 (Price estimated) [aka Model 3 P75D] | If this is in fact true I seriously hope they uncork the 90D and 100D to sub 3 second range. Assuming you at least have the new drive unit. | 30 | 3 | 2,123 |
7z8hwx | 123 | Ongoing lemon case with Tesla Any ideas how to speed this process up? Tweeted Musk but I don t know how much good that will do. The guy handling my case didn t even read the paperwork and just stated I am acting in bad faith (I am not my car has been at the service center 4 times since November 17th and has been stuck there since December 27th). The car was brought in for service for 2 reasons. 1) I was on the highway and on two separate occasions the car hit the brakes and slowed down from 80 to 30 very abruptly. The issue was resolved by changing the crash detection from early to normal. They said that they switched GPS providers and it was causing speed limit changes on the highway. No idea how these two things are related but that was their fix . 2) The more important issue - frequently while driving my car would reboot . The tablet AND dash would turn off for over a minute. The car was drive-able but nowhere near safe. Nav drops out speedometer goes away air conditioning turns off. Basically created an unsafe driving condition. The first time the car was brought in for service they said that there was a software patch that would fix the issue. Within 4 days it happened again. They claimed it was a known issue but needed additional time in testing to reproduce. They then changed out the MCU (second attempt) low and behold it happened again as soon as I got the car back. The third time it went in for service they claimed it was a blue tooth module failing. The same day I got the car back it happened again. They then tried to blame me for the issue and started probing as to what I was plugging into the car (my iPhone and occasionally an android device to lend a charge to friends). A few days later I got a call back where they said it was a known issue with Spotify firmware and that there is no fix Tesla can employ. As such they are claiming the issue is resolved (it s obviously not if the car is still consistently restarting on me). My wife and I have both individually experienced the issue and even recorded it on video as evidence. Pretty random when it happens and Tesla has different logs that show different faults occurring. Whether or not they share those logs is a different story... UPDATE Well just got a nasty gram from my service rep. They are setting it up to say the vehicle has completed service to their standards and is all of a sudden ready for pickup. Meanwhile the issue is not fixed and I don t plan on driving the car until the arbitration date (late March). The messed up part is I have been nothing but cordial to them and understanding since it was a complex issue. Today I got a bit fed up when they switched out the loaner vehicle with a hertz rental car that had a giant metal bracket (3” x 3”) sticking out of the passenger side dash. I ll link a picture shortly - not kidding it is totally unsafe in the event of an accident. I exclaimed “I m so F ing frustrated!” And that s about it. They emailed me afterward that I must pick up my car (still not fixed) and said since I have taken to coarse language to now only communicate through email. Picture of weird bracket https: imgur.com a jqd7z Edit: Included the TLDR issue Edit 2: Included update from service center | Throttle pot working driving wheel torque sensor working power steering working motors working all mean that the HV system is ok and the LV ECU system & FlexRay bus are still up so it s probably not the 12V battery or battery connection. BUT everything on the BCM circuit is turning off suddenly & without warning? My money is on faulty harness. Have them rip the whole damn thing out and replace it - fuses and all. And if the ECU and BCM power distribution is on the same board have them replace that too. Faulty Spotify software sounds like complete bullshit to me. \\*Note: This all assumes everything is actually *powering off*. If it s just going blank then it could be the BCM crashing. Still unlikely to me. Park the car boot everything & let it warm up maybe go for a short drive then go drive over some speed bumps and see if the screens die again. | Please check your PM s. | 41 | 3 | 2,124 |
7z8hwx | 123 | Ongoing lemon case with Tesla Any ideas how to speed this process up? Tweeted Musk but I don t know how much good that will do. The guy handling my case didn t even read the paperwork and just stated I am acting in bad faith (I am not my car has been at the service center 4 times since November 17th and has been stuck there since December 27th). The car was brought in for service for 2 reasons. 1) I was on the highway and on two separate occasions the car hit the brakes and slowed down from 80 to 30 very abruptly. The issue was resolved by changing the crash detection from early to normal. They said that they switched GPS providers and it was causing speed limit changes on the highway. No idea how these two things are related but that was their fix . 2) The more important issue - frequently while driving my car would reboot . The tablet AND dash would turn off for over a minute. The car was drive-able but nowhere near safe. Nav drops out speedometer goes away air conditioning turns off. Basically created an unsafe driving condition. The first time the car was brought in for service they said that there was a software patch that would fix the issue. Within 4 days it happened again. They claimed it was a known issue but needed additional time in testing to reproduce. They then changed out the MCU (second attempt) low and behold it happened again as soon as I got the car back. The third time it went in for service they claimed it was a blue tooth module failing. The same day I got the car back it happened again. They then tried to blame me for the issue and started probing as to what I was plugging into the car (my iPhone and occasionally an android device to lend a charge to friends). A few days later I got a call back where they said it was a known issue with Spotify firmware and that there is no fix Tesla can employ. As such they are claiming the issue is resolved (it s obviously not if the car is still consistently restarting on me). My wife and I have both individually experienced the issue and even recorded it on video as evidence. Pretty random when it happens and Tesla has different logs that show different faults occurring. Whether or not they share those logs is a different story... UPDATE Well just got a nasty gram from my service rep. They are setting it up to say the vehicle has completed service to their standards and is all of a sudden ready for pickup. Meanwhile the issue is not fixed and I don t plan on driving the car until the arbitration date (late March). The messed up part is I have been nothing but cordial to them and understanding since it was a complex issue. Today I got a bit fed up when they switched out the loaner vehicle with a hertz rental car that had a giant metal bracket (3” x 3”) sticking out of the passenger side dash. I ll link a picture shortly - not kidding it is totally unsafe in the event of an accident. I exclaimed “I m so F ing frustrated!” And that s about it. They emailed me afterward that I must pick up my car (still not fixed) and said since I have taken to coarse language to now only communicate through email. Picture of weird bracket https: imgur.com a jqd7z Edit: Included the TLDR issue Edit 2: Included update from service center | Throttle pot working driving wheel torque sensor working power steering working motors working all mean that the HV system is ok and the LV ECU system & FlexRay bus are still up so it s probably not the 12V battery or battery connection. BUT everything on the BCM circuit is turning off suddenly & without warning? My money is on faulty harness. Have them rip the whole damn thing out and replace it - fuses and all. And if the ECU and BCM power distribution is on the same board have them replace that too. Faulty Spotify software sounds like complete bullshit to me. \\*Note: This all assumes everything is actually *powering off*. If it s just going blank then it could be the BCM crashing. Still unlikely to me. Park the car boot everything & let it warm up maybe go for a short drive then go drive over some speed bumps and see if the screens die again. | I believe it depends on your state but it s likely as they are trying to fix it that your nowhere near the point where you can call it a lemon. | 41 | 6 | 2,125 |
7z8hwx | 123 | Ongoing lemon case with Tesla Any ideas how to speed this process up? Tweeted Musk but I don t know how much good that will do. The guy handling my case didn t even read the paperwork and just stated I am acting in bad faith (I am not my car has been at the service center 4 times since November 17th and has been stuck there since December 27th). The car was brought in for service for 2 reasons. 1) I was on the highway and on two separate occasions the car hit the brakes and slowed down from 80 to 30 very abruptly. The issue was resolved by changing the crash detection from early to normal. They said that they switched GPS providers and it was causing speed limit changes on the highway. No idea how these two things are related but that was their fix . 2) The more important issue - frequently while driving my car would reboot . The tablet AND dash would turn off for over a minute. The car was drive-able but nowhere near safe. Nav drops out speedometer goes away air conditioning turns off. Basically created an unsafe driving condition. The first time the car was brought in for service they said that there was a software patch that would fix the issue. Within 4 days it happened again. They claimed it was a known issue but needed additional time in testing to reproduce. They then changed out the MCU (second attempt) low and behold it happened again as soon as I got the car back. The third time it went in for service they claimed it was a blue tooth module failing. The same day I got the car back it happened again. They then tried to blame me for the issue and started probing as to what I was plugging into the car (my iPhone and occasionally an android device to lend a charge to friends). A few days later I got a call back where they said it was a known issue with Spotify firmware and that there is no fix Tesla can employ. As such they are claiming the issue is resolved (it s obviously not if the car is still consistently restarting on me). My wife and I have both individually experienced the issue and even recorded it on video as evidence. Pretty random when it happens and Tesla has different logs that show different faults occurring. Whether or not they share those logs is a different story... UPDATE Well just got a nasty gram from my service rep. They are setting it up to say the vehicle has completed service to their standards and is all of a sudden ready for pickup. Meanwhile the issue is not fixed and I don t plan on driving the car until the arbitration date (late March). The messed up part is I have been nothing but cordial to them and understanding since it was a complex issue. Today I got a bit fed up when they switched out the loaner vehicle with a hertz rental car that had a giant metal bracket (3” x 3”) sticking out of the passenger side dash. I ll link a picture shortly - not kidding it is totally unsafe in the event of an accident. I exclaimed “I m so F ing frustrated!” And that s about it. They emailed me afterward that I must pick up my car (still not fixed) and said since I have taken to coarse language to now only communicate through email. Picture of weird bracket https: imgur.com a jqd7z Edit: Included the TLDR issue Edit 2: Included update from service center | Throttle pot working driving wheel torque sensor working power steering working motors working all mean that the HV system is ok and the LV ECU system & FlexRay bus are still up so it s probably not the 12V battery or battery connection. BUT everything on the BCM circuit is turning off suddenly & without warning? My money is on faulty harness. Have them rip the whole damn thing out and replace it - fuses and all. And if the ECU and BCM power distribution is on the same board have them replace that too. Faulty Spotify software sounds like complete bullshit to me. \\*Note: This all assumes everything is actually *powering off*. If it s just going blank then it could be the BCM crashing. Still unlikely to me. Park the car boot everything & let it warm up maybe go for a short drive then go drive over some speed bumps and see if the screens die again. | What are the details? | 41 | 9 | 2,126 |
7zoy6x | 56 | Model 3 Features without EAP Got my non owner line waiter 11am Pittsburgh reservation invite yesterday. And I was wondering about what exactly I would be missing out on if I defer getting EAP. If I don t get EAP: Do I still get rain sensing wipers? Do I get traffic aware cruise control (without Lane keeping)? Do I get regular (dumb) cruise control? Do I get any form of auto parking? Is there any other feature I might be surprised to find I don t have? Any chance of an EAP trial like they did for model S before? | 1. Yes 2. No (sadly) 3. Yes (Fortunately) 4. No (parking sensors are excellent though). 5. Nope. EAP is seriously just lane keeping TACC autopark and Summon at the moment. 6. Probably not at this time. We ll see what the future brings. | In order 1 Yes 2 No 3 Yes 4 Parking sensors and that s it. 5 No summon as well. | 39 | 7 | 2,127 |
7zuv15 | 135 | Fuck it I m in it to win it So my car is delayed until late 2018. I made a recent post about Potentially getting another car cause the one I m using is an old beater. So anyway 2 days ago I got the engine light and brought it in to the shop. Got nearly $4k worth of repairs but I asked the tech what do I need to keep it running through summer and hopefully to December. So I m just getting the thermostat replaced to prevent overheating through the summer and am just gonna ride it out. If you re in this position too just ride it out gents. I m positive we re gonna be in a world of regret if we pass on this car. Wish me luck people. 10 more months. | I m in Texas and my A C went out a year ago ($1800 repair). I started going to work at 5:30am to avoid the heat and just sweat like crazy on my way home every afternoon. That s $1800 more to put towards my down payment. You do what you gotta do. We ll get there! | At $4k repairs just buy a used Leaf! | 104 | 7 | 2,128 |
7zuv15 | 135 | Fuck it I m in it to win it So my car is delayed until late 2018. I made a recent post about Potentially getting another car cause the one I m using is an old beater. So anyway 2 days ago I got the engine light and brought it in to the shop. Got nearly $4k worth of repairs but I asked the tech what do I need to keep it running through summer and hopefully to December. So I m just getting the thermostat replaced to prevent overheating through the summer and am just gonna ride it out. If you re in this position too just ride it out gents. I m positive we re gonna be in a world of regret if we pass on this car. Wish me luck people. 10 more months. | I m in Texas and my A C went out a year ago ($1800 repair). I started going to work at 5:30am to avoid the heat and just sweat like crazy on my way home every afternoon. That s $1800 more to put towards my down payment. You do what you gotta do. We ll get there! | It s gonna be worth the wait | 104 | 9 | 2,129 |
7zuv15 | 135 | Fuck it I m in it to win it So my car is delayed until late 2018. I made a recent post about Potentially getting another car cause the one I m using is an old beater. So anyway 2 days ago I got the engine light and brought it in to the shop. Got nearly $4k worth of repairs but I asked the tech what do I need to keep it running through summer and hopefully to December. So I m just getting the thermostat replaced to prevent overheating through the summer and am just gonna ride it out. If you re in this position too just ride it out gents. I m positive we re gonna be in a world of regret if we pass on this car. Wish me luck people. 10 more months. | I m in Texas and my A C went out a year ago ($1800 repair). I started going to work at 5:30am to avoid the heat and just sweat like crazy on my way home every afternoon. That s $1800 more to put towards my down payment. You do what you gotta do. We ll get there! | Hold on! My car is worth $800. I spent $400 on repairs a month ago and need $500 more repairs. But I got to design and place my order Thursday! I ve spent over $3k on repairs since I reserved. I just keep telling myself it s cheaper than renting or buying a another car. HOLD ON!!!! | 104 | 12 | 2,130 |
8074g0 | 36 | Six weeks since configure and still haven t been assigned a Vin but people who ordered after me have already received their 3s. When I configured in early January I was told 4 weeks until delivery. (they re saying 3-6 weeks for configurations now). I understand that we re on Tesla time and everything but the thing that confuses me is that multiple people who actually configured after me in the same state have already received their Model 3s. My configuration is really simple: * Enhanced Autopilot * Long Range Battery * Black Interior * Red Multi-Coat Paint * Premium Upgrades * 18 Aero Wheels Any idea what could be taking so much longer with mine? The only difference I can see between the people who have already received theirs is that mine is Red but from the pictures of the lots they seem to be making a lot of red and other states are getting them. | Every time you complain on Reddit Elon sees it and moves you back a week. | From the time I ordered until I got my VIN was 4 days including a weekend. It was two weeks from order day until the car arrived at my local Delivery Center. I m not saying this to boast it s not something I had any control over. But there is some rhyme and reason to that. I think they re batch building. | 46 | 3 | 2,131 |
8074g0 | 36 | Six weeks since configure and still haven t been assigned a Vin but people who ordered after me have already received their 3s. When I configured in early January I was told 4 weeks until delivery. (they re saying 3-6 weeks for configurations now). I understand that we re on Tesla time and everything but the thing that confuses me is that multiple people who actually configured after me in the same state have already received their Model 3s. My configuration is really simple: * Enhanced Autopilot * Long Range Battery * Black Interior * Red Multi-Coat Paint * Premium Upgrades * 18 Aero Wheels Any idea what could be taking so much longer with mine? The only difference I can see between the people who have already received theirs is that mine is Red but from the pictures of the lots they seem to be making a lot of red and other states are getting them. | Every time you complain on Reddit Elon sees it and moves you back a week. | Maybe they had a VIN assigned to you internally but then discovered an issue with that car so didn t let it get to you. Hoping for the best when your car does arrive. Give them a call and let us know! Just a guess. HolidayInnManager | 46 | 7 | 2,132 |
8074g0 | 36 | Six weeks since configure and still haven t been assigned a Vin but people who ordered after me have already received their 3s. When I configured in early January I was told 4 weeks until delivery. (they re saying 3-6 weeks for configurations now). I understand that we re on Tesla time and everything but the thing that confuses me is that multiple people who actually configured after me in the same state have already received their Model 3s. My configuration is really simple: * Enhanced Autopilot * Long Range Battery * Black Interior * Red Multi-Coat Paint * Premium Upgrades * 18 Aero Wheels Any idea what could be taking so much longer with mine? The only difference I can see between the people who have already received theirs is that mine is Red but from the pictures of the lots they seem to be making a lot of red and other states are getting them. | Every time you complain on Reddit Elon sees it and moves you back a week. | I ve read on Tesla motor forums people saying the last batch was premium wheels (and certain colors). I also ordered red on 2 14 18 with everything you did. Fingers crossed you get a VIN and your car soon. | 46 | 9 | 2,133 |
8091q0 | 164 | Special Surprise For Day One Reservation Holders! I was at a Tesla store yesterday looking at a gorgeous model 3 when one of the reps said that an email went out a few days ago stating that the day one reservation holders would be receiving a diecast of their exact model 3. He didn t specify if it was restricted to people who waited in line or all day 1 reservation holders. | That would be cool. I mean at this point I just need any Tesla to shut up my friends who ask me daily when my new car is coming. | Oh man mine is gonna look siiiiiick. | 136 | 5 | 2,134 |
8091q0 | 164 | Special Surprise For Day One Reservation Holders! I was at a Tesla store yesterday looking at a gorgeous model 3 when one of the reps said that an email went out a few days ago stating that the day one reservation holders would be receiving a diecast of their exact model 3. He didn t specify if it was restricted to people who waited in line or all day 1 reservation holders. | That would be cool. I mean at this point I just need any Tesla to shut up my friends who ask me daily when my new car is coming. | That would be awesome! | 136 | 6 | 2,135 |
8091q0 | 164 | Special Surprise For Day One Reservation Holders! I was at a Tesla store yesterday looking at a gorgeous model 3 when one of the reps said that an email went out a few days ago stating that the day one reservation holders would be receiving a diecast of their exact model 3. He didn t specify if it was restricted to people who waited in line or all day 1 reservation holders. | That would be cool. I mean at this point I just need any Tesla to shut up my friends who ask me daily when my new car is coming. | https: shop.tesla.com us en product apparel diecast-1_18-scale-model-s-p100d.html?sku=1129167-00-A link to the diecasts of the Model S | 136 | 21 | 2,136 |
80fh2q | 38 | [Meta] Experiences rule A majority of current front-page posts are experience threads (inc. Model 3 on Autopilot in Heavy Rain Four Army Guys One Model 3 Just rented a Model 3! which is literally just a picture of the Model 3 key card!). I believe these are technically against the rules but I don t think most users would agree that they should be taken down. Based on the number of upvotes users seem to find value in these posts. Sometimes the value isn t in the picture or the link but in the conversations resulting from the high exposure. The sticky thread does not seem to provide the same level of engagement. The Experiences rule is currently discretionary. While I trust the mods judgement when enforcing the rule the enforcement can seem somewhat arbitrary. Could we have an open discussion on the rule? I would love for the community to determine a more distinct set of guidelines. This would save time for both posters and mods when submitting (or taking down) new content. Thank you! | Honestly I find the experiences megathread hard to use nothing stands out like the top level posts that I enjoy a lot more. | I don t think a picture of a Tesla is very useful or one of a toy car. Same with often repeated questions “how much do you make to afford a Tesla ” “Why doesn t tesla make a motorcycle airplane skateboard” I think examples of the car performing is pretty useful. Anything truly unique that hasn t been covered elsewhere should be upvoted. I should also say I think the mods have been doing a good job. | 30 | 2 | 2,137 |
80mjn0 | 750 | I had my Model S 75D performance uncorked and I had to check that they didn t give me someone else s car. I actually checked VIN and the seat leather for the scratches from my screwdrivers it s that impressive. I feel like there isn t an awful lot of coverage on this: there s no other car company out there that will give you a free software upgrade that makes your car jump 0-60 in a second less. Way to go Tesla! | So what exactly is going on here? I m no electrical engineer but it s just dumping more electrons to the motors right? Presumably in a different curve? | Can someone explain to me the timeline around this? Did this happen when they made the p100d faster? | 194 | 6 | 2,138 |
80mjn0 | 750 | I had my Model S 75D performance uncorked and I had to check that they didn t give me someone else s car. I actually checked VIN and the seat leather for the scratches from my screwdrivers it s that impressive. I feel like there isn t an awful lot of coverage on this: there s no other car company out there that will give you a free software upgrade that makes your car jump 0-60 in a second less. Way to go Tesla! | So what exactly is going on here? I m no electrical engineer but it s just dumping more electrons to the motors right? Presumably in a different curve? | Any word on if 60s will be able to be uncorked without unlocking to 75? | 194 | 13 | 2,139 |
80mjn0 | 750 | I had my Model S 75D performance uncorked and I had to check that they didn t give me someone else s car. I actually checked VIN and the seat leather for the scratches from my screwdrivers it s that impressive. I feel like there isn t an awful lot of coverage on this: there s no other car company out there that will give you a free software upgrade that makes your car jump 0-60 in a second less. Way to go Tesla! | So what exactly is going on here? I m no electrical engineer but it s just dumping more electrons to the motors right? Presumably in a different curve? | I had forgotten about this. This is pretty amazing. It would be interesting to do a little research and figure out the dollar value of dropping a second off your 0-60. I bet people pay a lot for the extra second of quickness. | 194 | 21 | 2,140 |
80mr3r | 86 | Former Obsessive Model 3 Reservation Holders -- Tell Us What It s Like to Be in the Promised Land... I know I m likely to get my reservation invitation in the next month or so but I m dying here. I find myself obsessively refreshing all of my Tesla-related feeds for every little snippet of information. Just wondering how my life will change once I actually have the car in my driveway? Will I go back to a normal person or will I start obsessively researching the Y or trying to figure out some way to save up money for the Roadster? Please tell me I ll be back to normal in just a few months... | I won t be able to answer this until I pick up my 3 tomorrow at 11:00 am CST. | I got mine last week and haven t ordered yet. It s honestly stressing me out. Financially it makes more sense for me to wait and get the SR but damnit do I want it now! I am holding out for either SR or LR without PUP before I configure. | 67 | 2 | 2,141 |
80mr3r | 86 | Former Obsessive Model 3 Reservation Holders -- Tell Us What It s Like to Be in the Promised Land... I know I m likely to get my reservation invitation in the next month or so but I m dying here. I find myself obsessively refreshing all of my Tesla-related feeds for every little snippet of information. Just wondering how my life will change once I actually have the car in my driveway? Will I go back to a normal person or will I start obsessively researching the Y or trying to figure out some way to save up money for the Roadster? Please tell me I ll be back to normal in just a few months... | I won t be able to answer this until I pick up my 3 tomorrow at 11:00 am CST. | I am in the same boat. I wish I woke up earlier as a first day reservation holder was around 150th in line so I could of got my invite already. I m will be so excited to see that I can actually configure my Model 3 once they send me my invite. | 67 | 4 | 2,142 |
80mr3r | 86 | Former Obsessive Model 3 Reservation Holders -- Tell Us What It s Like to Be in the Promised Land... I know I m likely to get my reservation invitation in the next month or so but I m dying here. I find myself obsessively refreshing all of my Tesla-related feeds for every little snippet of information. Just wondering how my life will change once I actually have the car in my driveway? Will I go back to a normal person or will I start obsessively researching the Y or trying to figure out some way to save up money for the Roadster? Please tell me I ll be back to normal in just a few months... | I won t be able to answer this until I pick up my 3 tomorrow at 11:00 am CST. | I was upset before I got the invite. Stressed about how many current owners were cutting the first day sight-unseen faithful. Now I m optimistic about the ramp for everyone else and only concerned about sunken in hoods panel gaps etc. | 67 | 5 | 2,143 |
8101l0 | 96 | Got my invite. Wife vetoed. Lol. I knew this was going to happen. She went to Fremont to wait in line on 3 31 with me and entertained my crazy fanboi trash for nearly 2 years. Loves hearing about our 125% performance on $TSLA. She doesn t really know how car loans work and going from a 0$ a month payment to $700 is unacceptable (we can afford it). Any ideas on how to get her to get over it? :D | I have experience with convincing the wife. Here s how you do it: 1) Crunch numbers on gas savings and HOV lane access. This saves time and money (not really but it looks like it). Also talk about any recent ICE car failures and expenses to fix. This will trigger the practical thinking. 2) Know your shit about safety. If you don t have kids but may in the future dont you want an extremely safe car for our future kids? . Or if not going the kid route I just want the safest car for you because I love you. Brownie points here bro. This triggers the emotional thinking. 3) Go with a this will also make ME happy and isn t that important? . Don t guilt trip hard just walk a fine line. 4) Mention that she would look super sexy driving it. 5) Negotiate that SHE gets to pick the options. There are very few options and really all the colors look good. Make her think its her car. We all know its yours. 6) Since you are California discuss the federal $7500 tax credit and $2500 tax rebate from CA. Once you get these they can be put towards the car and some banks credit unions will allow you to adjust your monthly payment after putting down a big chunk of money. 7) Don t forget to mention the potential for full self driving and Tesla Network. Your car could make you money! Granted this could never come to be... but Elon has talked about it before so at least you can reference something. 8) Throwing in flowers and chocolate may help but also may tip her off and put her on the defense. 9) If all else fails get the car as a surprise and ask forgiveness later. Might work better if you put a bow on it and pretend its hers again. Good luck man. Wishing you the best. lol | It s better to ask for forgiveness than permission. | 172 | 2 | 2,144 |
8101l0 | 96 | Got my invite. Wife vetoed. Lol. I knew this was going to happen. She went to Fremont to wait in line on 3 31 with me and entertained my crazy fanboi trash for nearly 2 years. Loves hearing about our 125% performance on $TSLA. She doesn t really know how car loans work and going from a 0$ a month payment to $700 is unacceptable (we can afford it). Any ideas on how to get her to get over it? :D | I have experience with convincing the wife. Here s how you do it: 1) Crunch numbers on gas savings and HOV lane access. This saves time and money (not really but it looks like it). Also talk about any recent ICE car failures and expenses to fix. This will trigger the practical thinking. 2) Know your shit about safety. If you don t have kids but may in the future dont you want an extremely safe car for our future kids? . Or if not going the kid route I just want the safest car for you because I love you. Brownie points here bro. This triggers the emotional thinking. 3) Go with a this will also make ME happy and isn t that important? . Don t guilt trip hard just walk a fine line. 4) Mention that she would look super sexy driving it. 5) Negotiate that SHE gets to pick the options. There are very few options and really all the colors look good. Make her think its her car. We all know its yours. 6) Since you are California discuss the federal $7500 tax credit and $2500 tax rebate from CA. Once you get these they can be put towards the car and some banks credit unions will allow you to adjust your monthly payment after putting down a big chunk of money. 7) Don t forget to mention the potential for full self driving and Tesla Network. Your car could make you money! Granted this could never come to be... but Elon has talked about it before so at least you can reference something. 8) Throwing in flowers and chocolate may help but also may tip her off and put her on the defense. 9) If all else fails get the car as a surprise and ask forgiveness later. Might work better if you put a bow on it and pretend its hers again. Good luck man. Wishing you the best. lol | Start working the numbers. Do you actually need a new vehicle? If so start crunching down to what it costs comparatively. And while it probably won t end up cheaper - you might be able to sway her and get closer. | 172 | 3 | 2,145 |
8101l0 | 96 | Got my invite. Wife vetoed. Lol. I knew this was going to happen. She went to Fremont to wait in line on 3 31 with me and entertained my crazy fanboi trash for nearly 2 years. Loves hearing about our 125% performance on $TSLA. She doesn t really know how car loans work and going from a 0$ a month payment to $700 is unacceptable (we can afford it). Any ideas on how to get her to get over it? :D | I have experience with convincing the wife. Here s how you do it: 1) Crunch numbers on gas savings and HOV lane access. This saves time and money (not really but it looks like it). Also talk about any recent ICE car failures and expenses to fix. This will trigger the practical thinking. 2) Know your shit about safety. If you don t have kids but may in the future dont you want an extremely safe car for our future kids? . Or if not going the kid route I just want the safest car for you because I love you. Brownie points here bro. This triggers the emotional thinking. 3) Go with a this will also make ME happy and isn t that important? . Don t guilt trip hard just walk a fine line. 4) Mention that she would look super sexy driving it. 5) Negotiate that SHE gets to pick the options. There are very few options and really all the colors look good. Make her think its her car. We all know its yours. 6) Since you are California discuss the federal $7500 tax credit and $2500 tax rebate from CA. Once you get these they can be put towards the car and some banks credit unions will allow you to adjust your monthly payment after putting down a big chunk of money. 7) Don t forget to mention the potential for full self driving and Tesla Network. Your car could make you money! Granted this could never come to be... but Elon has talked about it before so at least you can reference something. 8) Throwing in flowers and chocolate may help but also may tip her off and put her on the defense. 9) If all else fails get the car as a surprise and ask forgiveness later. Might work better if you put a bow on it and pretend its hers again. Good luck man. Wishing you the best. lol | My girlfriend (might as well be my wife at this point) was super skeptical at first as well. She dropped my ass off at the Sunnyvale Tesla showroom and didn t want to endure the nerdgasm that whole morning (and dealing with the parking). We ve since moved from CA to TX bought a house I got a new job reworked our finances did some initial testing with savings and tested how a car payment for a fully-loaded Model 3 would impact our day-to-day lives. I then put our current billing obligations into a spreadsheet and reiterated (repeatedly) how easily affordable it d be for almost 2 years. Now that it s slowly becoming a reality she s given up arguing with me over it and is letting me make the decision since I m handling my car plus my share of the bills so she s not directly liable nor responsible for it. Fair s fair I guess. ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)_ ¯ | 172 | 8 | 2,146 |
811a0u | 109 | Hot take on several hours with the Model 3.... Hot takes from a few hours with the 3: Many people don t know this but I was scared I was going to drive the 3 for a little while curse a lot and resign myself to selling it and buying a P100D even though I could have bought a Model S in 2012 instead of waiting this long. ( Course it wouldn t have been a P100D but you get the idea). I thought there was a non-zero chance I would like the S so much better than the 3 with its quirks that I would have a lot of regret about waiting. And I ve been waiting for the 3 since it was codenamed Bluestar back in 2006 two years before the Roadster even hit the roads. But this car... it turns out... was absolutely worth the wait. Totally. I mean this thing is awesome and this is coming from someone who was really trepidatious about it going into today. Most of the complaints you ve read in the press or on the boards don t really hold water. I m not saying they re made up but you will get used to most everything so quickly it s a lot of non-issues. And people who know me know I complain. A lot. About everything. For example the center console magnet is as persnickety as prosumer grade magnetic speaker grills. If you re used to them you ll know exactly what I mean. In fact my biggest complaint: Today I told someone I was scared the phone key wasn t going to work but it s been working perfectly and on that particular occasion when walking up to the car... as if on cue... it didn t. Now the full disclosure on this is that I have a Google Pixel XL first gen and they were notorious for bluetooth connectivity issues which is why I was scared this could be an issue. And sure enough when it failed the phone had disconnected itself from the 3. Not the car s fault but the phone s fault. But now I think I have a faster fix for it than getting out the key card to open the car. All in all... this thing is definitely worthy of being called a Tesla. And despite the fact that I thought there were things about this car that make it sort of a Weird-mobile (not the exterior styling mind you but from a why-do-I-need-to-press-a-button-on-the-center-console-to-open-up-the-glove-box kind of way)-- I gotta say spend a few hours with it and it all really starts to make more sense than any of the reviews out there would lead you to believe in print or on Youtube. TL DR: Car exceeded my tempered expectations. I actually love this thing. I was scared I wouldn t. I was wrong. I d rate TSLA a strong by after an a day with the 3. Oh PS: W R T #alcantaragate. I was wrong. The new material is not quite the hard-woven stuff I thought it was. It has a softer feel almost like it might be woven with bamboo or something. Much better than I thought it was going to be. I still have a personal preference for alcantara but I no longer will hate on Tesla for calling it a premium material. I was wrong wrong wrong wrong about all that. | phonekey console magnet ap controls turn signal. these were my biggest complaints. turns out they are all related. all related in terms of urgency. i hated the turn signal because i was used to manhandeling in the s. i hated the ap controls because the double tap was a bit excessive. i hated the phonekey key because it was not responsive enought. one day i remembered my first interaction with the center console. first time i used it i was like.. wtf why wont this piece of shit close... turned out i was smashing it too hard. then i noticed the turn signal was not too big of a deal if you just tap lightly for a lane change. same with ap too gentle taps and oh its on. and lastly calmly walk up to the car and... everytime it unlock effectively. model 3 = enlightenment. | Thanks for the write-up! Glad you are enjoying it. Any glaring issues otherwise? Panel gaps? | 44 | 4 | 2,147 |
811a0u | 109 | Hot take on several hours with the Model 3.... Hot takes from a few hours with the 3: Many people don t know this but I was scared I was going to drive the 3 for a little while curse a lot and resign myself to selling it and buying a P100D even though I could have bought a Model S in 2012 instead of waiting this long. ( Course it wouldn t have been a P100D but you get the idea). I thought there was a non-zero chance I would like the S so much better than the 3 with its quirks that I would have a lot of regret about waiting. And I ve been waiting for the 3 since it was codenamed Bluestar back in 2006 two years before the Roadster even hit the roads. But this car... it turns out... was absolutely worth the wait. Totally. I mean this thing is awesome and this is coming from someone who was really trepidatious about it going into today. Most of the complaints you ve read in the press or on the boards don t really hold water. I m not saying they re made up but you will get used to most everything so quickly it s a lot of non-issues. And people who know me know I complain. A lot. About everything. For example the center console magnet is as persnickety as prosumer grade magnetic speaker grills. If you re used to them you ll know exactly what I mean. In fact my biggest complaint: Today I told someone I was scared the phone key wasn t going to work but it s been working perfectly and on that particular occasion when walking up to the car... as if on cue... it didn t. Now the full disclosure on this is that I have a Google Pixel XL first gen and they were notorious for bluetooth connectivity issues which is why I was scared this could be an issue. And sure enough when it failed the phone had disconnected itself from the 3. Not the car s fault but the phone s fault. But now I think I have a faster fix for it than getting out the key card to open the car. All in all... this thing is definitely worthy of being called a Tesla. And despite the fact that I thought there were things about this car that make it sort of a Weird-mobile (not the exterior styling mind you but from a why-do-I-need-to-press-a-button-on-the-center-console-to-open-up-the-glove-box kind of way)-- I gotta say spend a few hours with it and it all really starts to make more sense than any of the reviews out there would lead you to believe in print or on Youtube. TL DR: Car exceeded my tempered expectations. I actually love this thing. I was scared I wouldn t. I was wrong. I d rate TSLA a strong by after an a day with the 3. Oh PS: W R T #alcantaragate. I was wrong. The new material is not quite the hard-woven stuff I thought it was. It has a softer feel almost like it might be woven with bamboo or something. Much better than I thought it was going to be. I still have a personal preference for alcantara but I no longer will hate on Tesla for calling it a premium material. I was wrong wrong wrong wrong about all that. | phonekey console magnet ap controls turn signal. these were my biggest complaints. turns out they are all related. all related in terms of urgency. i hated the turn signal because i was used to manhandeling in the s. i hated the ap controls because the double tap was a bit excessive. i hated the phonekey key because it was not responsive enought. one day i remembered my first interaction with the center console. first time i used it i was like.. wtf why wont this piece of shit close... turned out i was smashing it too hard. then i noticed the turn signal was not too big of a deal if you just tap lightly for a lane change. same with ap too gentle taps and oh its on. and lastly calmly walk up to the car and... everytime it unlock effectively. model 3 = enlightenment. | Thanks for the write-up! :) How does the performance feel compared to a P85 if you ve driven one? | 44 | 13 | 2,148 |
815n1o | 108 | Critical piece of investor psychology those betting against Tesla just don t understand. Tesla IS different than other hot tech companies and understanding why so many people feel that way should be a part of your analysis of TSLA stock. If you re a short seller and what I m writing makes no sense to you then you haven t done your homework. So here is some insight into the hardcore Tesla investor mind. When asked about why Elon Musk keeps working so hard and he says things like I just want to think about the future and not be sad. Or describing a vision of millions of people living on a self sustaining Mars. Or naming the autonomous drone ships after the AI ships in the Culture novels. We get an understanding that he believes we have the power to make humanity s future a bright one and that we can actually make a difference. Like the butterfly effect the decisions we make now as a species will determine whether we live in some star trekian or Culture-like utopian future 1000 years from now. Larry Page of Google said I d rather donate my billions to Elon Musk than to some charity. I feel he d better know what to do with it to help humanity. I think many people feel the same way. The same idealism that makes a young adult volunteer for an NGO overseas or fight for their country or work crazy hours at TESLA straight out of University is the desire to make a difference in the world. It s to affect the course of humanity. I think the same is true of many investors. Charities and NGOs rake in billions a year but what difference are they really making in humanity s future over the next 100 or 1 000 years? I can invest my money in TSLA and help support the team that s going to help create the future I want to live in. I m donating my tolerance for increased risk in my portfolio for a cause I believe in and I m probably going to get rich because of it. Tesla Spacex OpenAI... they aren t just companies they are philanthropic endeavours. | As John Maynard Keynes put it: > The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent | Can confirm a lot of arguments I see boil down to But they are losing money or they are fake because they took 2x more time than they said. Hell I seen shorts claim Elon makes it for the money lol. There are easier ways to make money than aerospace and automotive.... | 31 | 5 | 2,149 |
816d1j | 3,132 | Stuck in the slow lane and I don t care. So this morning I was stuck in the slow lane of traffic. I was watching other cars pass me by as my autopilot was set to 2. Cars are changing lanes getting out of my way or scooting in the space my car leaves. I know if I was driving my Porsche I would have been changing lanes as well or riding the ass of the guy in front of me so nobody could cut me off. But in the Tesla autopilot I didn t care. I was playing with the streaming radio up voting and down voting songs as they came up randomly and non of that traffic stuff mattered. Automakers try and define luxury through leather option packages and dealer experience. But what I experienced today is what nobody else can give me. Zero fucks given about traffic. | I live in the suburbs of Boston and I commute in by train...because...Boston. Had to drive someone to the airport during morning rush hour last week and dreaded it the whole time. Once I set AP I didn t really care...then I thought maybe I could drive in to work every day .... but then I remembered parking is $30 day and decided to keep taking the train. LOL | I want what you got Mar-May. | 886 | 7 | 2,150 |
816d1j | 3,132 | Stuck in the slow lane and I don t care. So this morning I was stuck in the slow lane of traffic. I was watching other cars pass me by as my autopilot was set to 2. Cars are changing lanes getting out of my way or scooting in the space my car leaves. I know if I was driving my Porsche I would have been changing lanes as well or riding the ass of the guy in front of me so nobody could cut me off. But in the Tesla autopilot I didn t care. I was playing with the streaming radio up voting and down voting songs as they came up randomly and non of that traffic stuff mattered. Automakers try and define luxury through leather option packages and dealer experience. But what I experienced today is what nobody else can give me. Zero fucks given about traffic. | I live in the suburbs of Boston and I commute in by train...because...Boston. Had to drive someone to the airport during morning rush hour last week and dreaded it the whole time. Once I set AP I didn t really care...then I thought maybe I could drive in to work every day .... but then I remembered parking is $30 day and decided to keep taking the train. LOL | Had a similar experience leaving NYC last night. Took me an hour to travel 4 miles on the West Side highway. For the whole time had autipilot on set it to 2 and just chilled out. Sent me daughter pictures i drew on the sketch pad played around with different music. So much better than sitting there gripping the steering wheel for dear life trying to get that extra 5 feet forward by jumping lanes | 886 | 86 | 2,151 |
816d1j | 3,132 | Stuck in the slow lane and I don t care. So this morning I was stuck in the slow lane of traffic. I was watching other cars pass me by as my autopilot was set to 2. Cars are changing lanes getting out of my way or scooting in the space my car leaves. I know if I was driving my Porsche I would have been changing lanes as well or riding the ass of the guy in front of me so nobody could cut me off. But in the Tesla autopilot I didn t care. I was playing with the streaming radio up voting and down voting songs as they came up randomly and non of that traffic stuff mattered. Automakers try and define luxury through leather option packages and dealer experience. But what I experienced today is what nobody else can give me. Zero fucks given about traffic. | I live in the suburbs of Boston and I commute in by train...because...Boston. Had to drive someone to the airport during morning rush hour last week and dreaded it the whole time. Once I set AP I didn t really care...then I thought maybe I could drive in to work every day .... but then I remembered parking is $30 day and decided to keep taking the train. LOL | This. I ve gotten zero tickets since getting my Tesla. It has undoubtedly made me a safer driver. Also I m much more paranoid about how long it d take to fix even a minor accident so I drive much more defensively and take fewer risks. And I used to be pretty aggressive so the difference is amazing to me. Even my wife notices. | 886 | 114 | 2,152 |
816vlm | 32 | Feature Request Apparently the US DOT standard for traffic management systems includes differentiated reporting on traffic data for HOV lanes versus general occupancy lanes. My wife suggested a feature that correlates the passenger seat weight detector (used for seatbelts) be connected as a signal into the routing algorithm. The goals is to determine if HOV lane density is low enough to route the vehicle that way if a passenger is detected and to use the general occupancy lane data if no passenger is detected in traffic-dependent routing. | Me and my girlfriend Cinder Block would also like this feature. | Thats a great idea. There have been several times where navigation wants to re-route me due to traffic but I know its actually fine since I m in HOV lane. | 34 | 8 | 2,153 |
81gnnp | 141 | Moving to Sparks to start work soon! I ll just be a production associate but still. I m very excited to start working for a cause that I believe in. I know posts in this sub are usually about the actual cars so this might not be the right place to post this but I had to share it with someone! | The things people do to get a Model 3 sooner. j k congrats! | Congrats! | 63 | 3 | 2,154 |
81gnnp | 141 | Moving to Sparks to start work soon! I ll just be a production associate but still. I m very excited to start working for a cause that I believe in. I know posts in this sub are usually about the actual cars so this might not be the right place to post this but I had to share it with someone! | The things people do to get a Model 3 sooner. j k congrats! | Congratulations! | 63 | 3 | 2,155 |
81gnnp | 141 | Moving to Sparks to start work soon! I ll just be a production associate but still. I m very excited to start working for a cause that I believe in. I know posts in this sub are usually about the actual cars so this might not be the right place to post this but I had to share it with someone! | The things people do to get a Model 3 sooner. j k congrats! | https: www.youtube.com watch?v=aB2yqeD0Nus | 63 | 15 | 2,156 |
81ii7m | 52 | [Discussion] Paint Protection Wrap Prices & Products for Model 3 - Productions Install Style Prices & Locale 1. What protection or wrap product did you have done to your Model 3 paint? 2. What style of installation did you have? (E.g. front and doors full custom other) 3. Did you have paint correction done why or why not? 4. What did it cost? If the cost includs other things (e.g. tint) please note that. 5. What region (city state or area) did you have the service done? 6. What *drove* your decision making on product and installation style? Pictures welcome of course. (: Thank you. ^(Edited for grammar.) | I work for a wrap compnay and we ve so far had about 7-8 Model 3 s in so far. 1. I would go with either Xpel or Suntek. 3M is not the best they re good at making scotch tape but not paint protection film. Xpel tends to be a little more orange peeled than the Suntek. We like Suntek because of the clarity ease of install (so better install) its made in the USA and actually manufactured by them not overseas by some other factory. Suntek also has great customer service. All three brands of film are self-healing from swirls and have a 10 year warranty. We have found that Suntek Ultra is more stain resistant than the other two brands. I would only ever use Suntek or Xpel on my personal car. If you re going to have vinyl installed on your car please just understand one thing it is not paint. It will chip swirl and can be damaged by UV and water pollutants worse than paint will because it has no top coat on it like paint does. Ideally for vinyl you want to keep it clean as in wash the car off weekly or at least waterless wash it so there is not dirt pollen bird poop sitting on it. Vinyl with metallic flakes in it can also rust. There is a limited to no warranty from vinyl manufacturers. Some good questions to ask are - Do they use patterns or is it done custom? - Do they cut on the vehicle? (Custom installs will always require cutting on the vehicle) This isn t an issue for a properly trained installer. - How long have they been installing clear bra? - How long are their employees trained for? 2. I would say it s been 50 50 on installs between the partial front end and full front ends on Tesla s. We ve also done a full car on a model 3. At the very minimum you should have the entire front bumper headlights and side mirrors covered. Tesla paint is very soft so definitely the most forward facing areas should be covered if nothing else. Full car wraps are great for black or dark colored cars because then you don t have to worry about swirl marks. It also makes it a easier to clean the vehicle. Ceramic coatings wear off over time. They also still chip and swirl like the clear coat on a car does. With paint protection film you can also do the car in sections. Do the front end and then have the rest wrapped later to help spread out the costs. Generally if you re going to be keeping the car for 5 or more years than a full car wrap is generally worth the investment especially if you drive a lot. 3. If you have swirl marks and you re going to do a full car wrap don t bother getting them corrected unless it s truly horrible. The paint protection film acts as installing another layer of clear coat and hides light moderate swirl marks. If you re not sure ask the person doing the installation. 4. Cost will vary depending on your area and the experience of the shop. Don t go with the most expensive just because you think it will be a better install. I ve seen plenty of expensive installs that were terrible. Go look at the shop go look at previous work or what they re currently working on. Usually they will at least have film on their personal vehicles that they can show you. 5. If someone from the Ventura County CA area would like to get a quote for having something done please PM me. 6. What makes most of our customers go from the partial front end to the full is probably the line across the hood. It s subtle metallic paints hide it better than other colors but if you re picky and you know its going to bug you then get the full front end or just the bumper done. Other than that it also depends on how much protection coverage you want. I had the partial front end on my Ford focus and ended up hating the line and getting rock chips further up on the hood of my vehicle. Now I get at least the full front end on my vehicles done. Swirl marks and ease of maintenance are also determining factors for some. When you have paint protection film then it s not really a worry. If you don t really do a lot of maintenance on keeping your vehicle clean then vinyl probably isn t going to last long on your vehicle. Where you re driving can also affect a choice. If you live somewhere with sand storms a full car wrap is a good idea so your paint doesn t get sandblasted. Roads get salted? Doing the bottom half of the car will help to protect the paint. Here s our insta [page](https: www.instagram.com ghost_shield_film ) here s the insta [page](https: www.instagram.com bespoke_pp ) of a shop in Austin Texas that s got good installers. (We competed against them in a International ppf competition) | 1. xpel ultimate 2. full body 3. no 4. 4 900 5. los angeles 6. commuting in my model s has resulted in many dings and knicks from careless others. wanted to learn from my experence and protect the 3 from that. | 44 | 3 | 2,157 |
81ii7m | 52 | [Discussion] Paint Protection Wrap Prices & Products for Model 3 - Productions Install Style Prices & Locale 1. What protection or wrap product did you have done to your Model 3 paint? 2. What style of installation did you have? (E.g. front and doors full custom other) 3. Did you have paint correction done why or why not? 4. What did it cost? If the cost includs other things (e.g. tint) please note that. 5. What region (city state or area) did you have the service done? 6. What *drove* your decision making on product and installation style? Pictures welcome of course. (: Thank you. ^(Edited for grammar.) | I work for a wrap compnay and we ve so far had about 7-8 Model 3 s in so far. 1. I would go with either Xpel or Suntek. 3M is not the best they re good at making scotch tape but not paint protection film. Xpel tends to be a little more orange peeled than the Suntek. We like Suntek because of the clarity ease of install (so better install) its made in the USA and actually manufactured by them not overseas by some other factory. Suntek also has great customer service. All three brands of film are self-healing from swirls and have a 10 year warranty. We have found that Suntek Ultra is more stain resistant than the other two brands. I would only ever use Suntek or Xpel on my personal car. If you re going to have vinyl installed on your car please just understand one thing it is not paint. It will chip swirl and can be damaged by UV and water pollutants worse than paint will because it has no top coat on it like paint does. Ideally for vinyl you want to keep it clean as in wash the car off weekly or at least waterless wash it so there is not dirt pollen bird poop sitting on it. Vinyl with metallic flakes in it can also rust. There is a limited to no warranty from vinyl manufacturers. Some good questions to ask are - Do they use patterns or is it done custom? - Do they cut on the vehicle? (Custom installs will always require cutting on the vehicle) This isn t an issue for a properly trained installer. - How long have they been installing clear bra? - How long are their employees trained for? 2. I would say it s been 50 50 on installs between the partial front end and full front ends on Tesla s. We ve also done a full car on a model 3. At the very minimum you should have the entire front bumper headlights and side mirrors covered. Tesla paint is very soft so definitely the most forward facing areas should be covered if nothing else. Full car wraps are great for black or dark colored cars because then you don t have to worry about swirl marks. It also makes it a easier to clean the vehicle. Ceramic coatings wear off over time. They also still chip and swirl like the clear coat on a car does. With paint protection film you can also do the car in sections. Do the front end and then have the rest wrapped later to help spread out the costs. Generally if you re going to be keeping the car for 5 or more years than a full car wrap is generally worth the investment especially if you drive a lot. 3. If you have swirl marks and you re going to do a full car wrap don t bother getting them corrected unless it s truly horrible. The paint protection film acts as installing another layer of clear coat and hides light moderate swirl marks. If you re not sure ask the person doing the installation. 4. Cost will vary depending on your area and the experience of the shop. Don t go with the most expensive just because you think it will be a better install. I ve seen plenty of expensive installs that were terrible. Go look at the shop go look at previous work or what they re currently working on. Usually they will at least have film on their personal vehicles that they can show you. 5. If someone from the Ventura County CA area would like to get a quote for having something done please PM me. 6. What makes most of our customers go from the partial front end to the full is probably the line across the hood. It s subtle metallic paints hide it better than other colors but if you re picky and you know its going to bug you then get the full front end or just the bumper done. Other than that it also depends on how much protection coverage you want. I had the partial front end on my Ford focus and ended up hating the line and getting rock chips further up on the hood of my vehicle. Now I get at least the full front end on my vehicles done. Swirl marks and ease of maintenance are also determining factors for some. When you have paint protection film then it s not really a worry. If you don t really do a lot of maintenance on keeping your vehicle clean then vinyl probably isn t going to last long on your vehicle. Where you re driving can also affect a choice. If you live somewhere with sand storms a full car wrap is a good idea so your paint doesn t get sandblasted. Roads get salted? Doing the bottom half of the car will help to protect the paint. Here s our insta [page](https: www.instagram.com ghost_shield_film ) here s the insta [page](https: www.instagram.com bespoke_pp ) of a shop in Austin Texas that s got good installers. (We competed against them in a International ppf competition) | Doing a full 3m wrap on mine (configured but no VIN as of yet) plus cquartz for hydrophobic properties. Wrapped my girlfriend s car as a test now completely confident going into the 3. Total cost will be ~$600. Mind you that s after having purchased some little tools for the job. Going to be doing a buddies 3 as well then my girlfriends when she gets hers (likely around August). Living in San Diego. The pros for me are: - added protection and easy cleaning - ability to quickly repair replace any panel - love the satin finish - adds a more unique feel to the car - completely comfortable with the cost especially doing it myself. | 44 | 3 | 2,158 |
81ii7m | 52 | [Discussion] Paint Protection Wrap Prices & Products for Model 3 - Productions Install Style Prices & Locale 1. What protection or wrap product did you have done to your Model 3 paint? 2. What style of installation did you have? (E.g. front and doors full custom other) 3. Did you have paint correction done why or why not? 4. What did it cost? If the cost includs other things (e.g. tint) please note that. 5. What region (city state or area) did you have the service done? 6. What *drove* your decision making on product and installation style? Pictures welcome of course. (: Thank you. ^(Edited for grammar.) | I work for a wrap compnay and we ve so far had about 7-8 Model 3 s in so far. 1. I would go with either Xpel or Suntek. 3M is not the best they re good at making scotch tape but not paint protection film. Xpel tends to be a little more orange peeled than the Suntek. We like Suntek because of the clarity ease of install (so better install) its made in the USA and actually manufactured by them not overseas by some other factory. Suntek also has great customer service. All three brands of film are self-healing from swirls and have a 10 year warranty. We have found that Suntek Ultra is more stain resistant than the other two brands. I would only ever use Suntek or Xpel on my personal car. If you re going to have vinyl installed on your car please just understand one thing it is not paint. It will chip swirl and can be damaged by UV and water pollutants worse than paint will because it has no top coat on it like paint does. Ideally for vinyl you want to keep it clean as in wash the car off weekly or at least waterless wash it so there is not dirt pollen bird poop sitting on it. Vinyl with metallic flakes in it can also rust. There is a limited to no warranty from vinyl manufacturers. Some good questions to ask are - Do they use patterns or is it done custom? - Do they cut on the vehicle? (Custom installs will always require cutting on the vehicle) This isn t an issue for a properly trained installer. - How long have they been installing clear bra? - How long are their employees trained for? 2. I would say it s been 50 50 on installs between the partial front end and full front ends on Tesla s. We ve also done a full car on a model 3. At the very minimum you should have the entire front bumper headlights and side mirrors covered. Tesla paint is very soft so definitely the most forward facing areas should be covered if nothing else. Full car wraps are great for black or dark colored cars because then you don t have to worry about swirl marks. It also makes it a easier to clean the vehicle. Ceramic coatings wear off over time. They also still chip and swirl like the clear coat on a car does. With paint protection film you can also do the car in sections. Do the front end and then have the rest wrapped later to help spread out the costs. Generally if you re going to be keeping the car for 5 or more years than a full car wrap is generally worth the investment especially if you drive a lot. 3. If you have swirl marks and you re going to do a full car wrap don t bother getting them corrected unless it s truly horrible. The paint protection film acts as installing another layer of clear coat and hides light moderate swirl marks. If you re not sure ask the person doing the installation. 4. Cost will vary depending on your area and the experience of the shop. Don t go with the most expensive just because you think it will be a better install. I ve seen plenty of expensive installs that were terrible. Go look at the shop go look at previous work or what they re currently working on. Usually they will at least have film on their personal vehicles that they can show you. 5. If someone from the Ventura County CA area would like to get a quote for having something done please PM me. 6. What makes most of our customers go from the partial front end to the full is probably the line across the hood. It s subtle metallic paints hide it better than other colors but if you re picky and you know its going to bug you then get the full front end or just the bumper done. Other than that it also depends on how much protection coverage you want. I had the partial front end on my Ford focus and ended up hating the line and getting rock chips further up on the hood of my vehicle. Now I get at least the full front end on my vehicles done. Swirl marks and ease of maintenance are also determining factors for some. When you have paint protection film then it s not really a worry. If you don t really do a lot of maintenance on keeping your vehicle clean then vinyl probably isn t going to last long on your vehicle. Where you re driving can also affect a choice. If you live somewhere with sand storms a full car wrap is a good idea so your paint doesn t get sandblasted. Roads get salted? Doing the bottom half of the car will help to protect the paint. Here s our insta [page](https: www.instagram.com ghost_shield_film ) here s the insta [page](https: www.instagram.com bespoke_pp ) of a shop in Austin Texas that s got good installers. (We competed against them in a International ppf competition) | > What protection or wrap product did you have done to your Model 3 paint? I got black because tomorrow we re going to go look at either the Avery Denison gloss dark green or Avery Denison gloss dark pearl green. Whichever color is closer to the Sig Green is the one we re going with. > What style of installation did you have? (E.g. front and doors full custom other) Will be full car no chrome delete. > Did you have paint correction done why or why not? None. Going to wrap it anyway. I don t see a lot of problems with the paint. If there were any issues the service center took care of it before I got the car. My service center is awesome. But maybe the paint problems are overblown. > What did it cost? If the cost includs other things (e.g. tint) please note that. Going to pay $2800 for wrap. Haven t discussed tinting yet. That will be additional. > What region (city state or area) did you have the service done? Dallas TX > What drove your decision making on product and installation style? I thought I was going to use either 3M or maybe Vvivid wraps but Avery seems to have the closest green color to what we were looking for. I got black instead of blue because I knew we were going to wrap the car in some other color and black was free. If white had been free we would have gotten white and wrapped the white car. Will post pics when it is done. Won t be done until next week sometime. | 44 | 3 | 2,159 |
81t9qi | 32 | [Discussion] Does anyone want to trade USB cords for Model 3? With my Model 3 I was given one Apple Lightning cord and one Android cord. They said I don t get two of my choice just one of each but I was welcome to buy a second one or find some one to trade through the Internet. So ..... anyone wanna trade? I need an Apple Lightning cord. I ll cross-ship my Android cord. | I would happily swap some phone cords for your model 3 where can I pick it up? | This actually is a great idea and perhaps the mods can come up with a sticky and geography tag to do in person. Unfortunately I d also want a lightning. | 63 | 8 | 2,160 |
826scq | 53 | [Discussion] Has Tesla forgotten about enabling Wifi on the Model 3? For those who can t receive cellular signals at home features such as preheating with the app aren t usable. It makes more sense to have had it from the start like the Model S and X have. What could explain the delay? | If we make the assumption that the hardware is functional and the operating system level software is present (which given the ubiquity of WiFi for so many years seems reasonable) we seem to be left with integration with Tesla specific code. Given wireless data has been working since the middle of last year it is hard to understand why WiFi isn t available almost 9 months later. It would be so good if Tesla would be transparent on issues like this - I really believe that honesty about this and other way late deliveries such as AP2 parity with AP1 would make the company even more popular. | I would say the delay is just because there are higher priority issues. Adding functionality to the right scroll wheel or fixing auto unlock for android users may be delaying it. | 42 | 9 | 2,161 |
826scq | 53 | [Discussion] Has Tesla forgotten about enabling Wifi on the Model 3? For those who can t receive cellular signals at home features such as preheating with the app aren t usable. It makes more sense to have had it from the start like the Model S and X have. What could explain the delay? | If we make the assumption that the hardware is functional and the operating system level software is present (which given the ubiquity of WiFi for so many years seems reasonable) we seem to be left with integration with Tesla specific code. Given wireless data has been working since the middle of last year it is hard to understand why WiFi isn t available almost 9 months later. It would be so good if Tesla would be transparent on issues like this - I really believe that honesty about this and other way late deliveries such as AP2 parity with AP1 would make the company even more popular. | It s coming. I guarantee it wasn t forgotten. The thing is - most current Tesla owners likely don t have cellular connectivity issues at home so it isn t a high priority. | 42 | 10 | 2,162 |
82739o | 163 | Just received my invitation to configure (Non-owner non-line waiter) Not sure if this already known but I just received my invitation to configure at around 6 am PST this morning. Not a owner and didn t wait in line. I reserved online just before the announcement on March 31st. Just a heads up that some of you non-line waiters may want to check your email. Says delivery in 3-6 weeks :) EDIT: Located in San Diego original delivery estimator was April-June EDI2: I went back and checked my email and apparently I received the initial invitation on Feb 28th 5 days ago. I hadn t noticed it since I was out of country at the time. Today s was just a reminder pretty crazy. I did not think I d need to be reminded to configure lol | So this is part of last week s batch? Stand down everyone rest your F5 keys for Wednesday. | Location? | 55 | 2 | 2,163 |
82739o | 163 | Just received my invitation to configure (Non-owner non-line waiter) Not sure if this already known but I just received my invitation to configure at around 6 am PST this morning. Not a owner and didn t wait in line. I reserved online just before the announcement on March 31st. Just a heads up that some of you non-line waiters may want to check your email. Says delivery in 3-6 weeks :) EDIT: Located in San Diego original delivery estimator was April-June EDI2: I went back and checked my email and apparently I received the initial invitation on Feb 28th 5 days ago. I hadn t noticed it since I was out of country at the time. Today s was just a reminder pretty crazy. I did not think I d need to be reminded to configure lol | So this is part of last week s batch? Stand down everyone rest your F5 keys for Wednesday. | CA non owner reserved at start of online reservations no configuration available | 55 | 4 | 2,164 |
82739o | 163 | Just received my invitation to configure (Non-owner non-line waiter) Not sure if this already known but I just received my invitation to configure at around 6 am PST this morning. Not a owner and didn t wait in line. I reserved online just before the announcement on March 31st. Just a heads up that some of you non-line waiters may want to check your email. Says delivery in 3-6 weeks :) EDIT: Located in San Diego original delivery estimator was April-June EDI2: I went back and checked my email and apparently I received the initial invitation on Feb 28th 5 days ago. I hadn t noticed it since I was out of country at the time. Today s was just a reminder pretty crazy. I did not think I d need to be reminded to configure lol | So this is part of last week s batch? Stand down everyone rest your F5 keys for Wednesday. | San Diego online. Got invite on Feb 28 . Already ordered the long range | 55 | 4 | 2,165 |
8295md | 138 | Welcome to day 500 of AP2! Tesla announced AP2 on October 20th 2016 **500 days ago**. As of today we re still not at AP1 parity have no EAP features and no FSD features. A car bought in September 2014 is more capable than a car purchased today. If you have a 3 year lease on your AP2 car you can now be halfway through the lease without having seen any value for your EAP purchase. As an interesting observation earlier in AP2 s history AP1 owners would remind us just how long it took for AP1 to appear in software after hardware shipped. Well AP2 has now taken longer than AP1 to develop the same feature set. AP1 took just under 500 days to go from the hardware being put on all cars to the version 7.1 release which put all the current features in place. A few fun nuggets from the past: * **June 1 2016** Elon: “I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem ” he said. “I think we are probably less than two years away.” * **Oct 13 2016**: Tesla switches all cars being made to AP2 7 days ahead of the AP2 announcement. * **Oct 31 2016** Tesla Email to people with AP1 cars on order: Now is the perfect opportunity to upgrade your configuration so you can enjoy Enhanced Autopilot features such as automatic lane change on-ramp to off-ramp navigation advanced Autosteer and Summon as they roll out.....If you choose not to upgrade your car will delivered with the options you configured without Enhanced Autopilot features. * **Dec 22nd 2016** Tweet: Looks like we might be ready to rollout most of Autopilot functionality for HW2 towards the end of next week * **January 23rd 2017** Tesla Website: Tesla s Enhanced Autopilot software is expected to complete validation and be rolled out to your car via an over-the-air update in December 2016 subject to regulatory approval. * **Jan 23rd 2017** Tweet: At what point will Full Self-Driving Capability features noticeably depart from Enhanced Autopilot features? -> 3 months maybe 6 months definitely * **May 4th 2017** Q1 Conference Call: Elon [claims](https: insideevs.com tesla-recreated-autopilot-version-mobileye-6-months ) they [re-created](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-recreated-mobileye-tech-6-months ) Mobileye s features in 6 months * **May 2nd 2017** Elon TED talk: November or December of this year we should be able to go from a parking lot in California to a parking lot in New York no controls touched at any point during the entire journey.” * **June 11th 2017**: Last time a feature was added to AP2 (perpendicular parking) * **January 26th 2018**: Tesla finally updates manuals on website to AP2 manuals. | Which is why I will not be buying FSD at delivery on my Model 3. | Give them a break they ve been mining bitcoin with those NVDA Drive PX2 s since Nov 2016. They ll sell their BTC and get back to the whole autonomy project soon... 3 mo s maybe... | 88 | 33 | 2,166 |
8295md | 138 | Welcome to day 500 of AP2! Tesla announced AP2 on October 20th 2016 **500 days ago**. As of today we re still not at AP1 parity have no EAP features and no FSD features. A car bought in September 2014 is more capable than a car purchased today. If you have a 3 year lease on your AP2 car you can now be halfway through the lease without having seen any value for your EAP purchase. As an interesting observation earlier in AP2 s history AP1 owners would remind us just how long it took for AP1 to appear in software after hardware shipped. Well AP2 has now taken longer than AP1 to develop the same feature set. AP1 took just under 500 days to go from the hardware being put on all cars to the version 7.1 release which put all the current features in place. A few fun nuggets from the past: * **June 1 2016** Elon: “I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem ” he said. “I think we are probably less than two years away.” * **Oct 13 2016**: Tesla switches all cars being made to AP2 7 days ahead of the AP2 announcement. * **Oct 31 2016** Tesla Email to people with AP1 cars on order: Now is the perfect opportunity to upgrade your configuration so you can enjoy Enhanced Autopilot features such as automatic lane change on-ramp to off-ramp navigation advanced Autosteer and Summon as they roll out.....If you choose not to upgrade your car will delivered with the options you configured without Enhanced Autopilot features. * **Dec 22nd 2016** Tweet: Looks like we might be ready to rollout most of Autopilot functionality for HW2 towards the end of next week * **January 23rd 2017** Tesla Website: Tesla s Enhanced Autopilot software is expected to complete validation and be rolled out to your car via an over-the-air update in December 2016 subject to regulatory approval. * **Jan 23rd 2017** Tweet: At what point will Full Self-Driving Capability features noticeably depart from Enhanced Autopilot features? -> 3 months maybe 6 months definitely * **May 4th 2017** Q1 Conference Call: Elon [claims](https: insideevs.com tesla-recreated-autopilot-version-mobileye-6-months ) they [re-created](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-recreated-mobileye-tech-6-months ) Mobileye s features in 6 months * **May 2nd 2017** Elon TED talk: November or December of this year we should be able to go from a parking lot in California to a parking lot in New York no controls touched at any point during the entire journey.” * **June 11th 2017**: Last time a feature was added to AP2 (perpendicular parking) * **January 26th 2018**: Tesla finally updates manuals on website to AP2 manuals. | PSA: Want to get into an AP1 car but can t afford a Tesla? The 2018 Nissan Leaf with ProPilot is the exact same Mobileye EyeQ3 chipset as AutoPilot 1 but with more (and longer range) sensors and alerts than Tesla had. Autosteer adaptive cruise control AEB pedestrian detection and avoidance lane intervention (will push you back into the lane if you wander) rear cross-traffic alerts blind spot alerts backup intervention (automatically brakes if you re going to back into something) etc. | > June 11th 2017: Last time a feature was added to AP2 (perpendicular parking) Coincidentally around the same time Model 3 production started. If the software team has been fully dedicated to getting Model 3 going it s no wonder nothing really big has happened. AP2 is still running in a crippled mode. | 54 | 4 | 2,167 |
8295md | 138 | Welcome to day 500 of AP2! Tesla announced AP2 on October 20th 2016 **500 days ago**. As of today we re still not at AP1 parity have no EAP features and no FSD features. A car bought in September 2014 is more capable than a car purchased today. If you have a 3 year lease on your AP2 car you can now be halfway through the lease without having seen any value for your EAP purchase. As an interesting observation earlier in AP2 s history AP1 owners would remind us just how long it took for AP1 to appear in software after hardware shipped. Well AP2 has now taken longer than AP1 to develop the same feature set. AP1 took just under 500 days to go from the hardware being put on all cars to the version 7.1 release which put all the current features in place. A few fun nuggets from the past: * **June 1 2016** Elon: “I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem ” he said. “I think we are probably less than two years away.” * **Oct 13 2016**: Tesla switches all cars being made to AP2 7 days ahead of the AP2 announcement. * **Oct 31 2016** Tesla Email to people with AP1 cars on order: Now is the perfect opportunity to upgrade your configuration so you can enjoy Enhanced Autopilot features such as automatic lane change on-ramp to off-ramp navigation advanced Autosteer and Summon as they roll out.....If you choose not to upgrade your car will delivered with the options you configured without Enhanced Autopilot features. * **Dec 22nd 2016** Tweet: Looks like we might be ready to rollout most of Autopilot functionality for HW2 towards the end of next week * **January 23rd 2017** Tesla Website: Tesla s Enhanced Autopilot software is expected to complete validation and be rolled out to your car via an over-the-air update in December 2016 subject to regulatory approval. * **Jan 23rd 2017** Tweet: At what point will Full Self-Driving Capability features noticeably depart from Enhanced Autopilot features? -> 3 months maybe 6 months definitely * **May 4th 2017** Q1 Conference Call: Elon [claims](https: insideevs.com tesla-recreated-autopilot-version-mobileye-6-months ) they [re-created](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-recreated-mobileye-tech-6-months ) Mobileye s features in 6 months * **May 2nd 2017** Elon TED talk: November or December of this year we should be able to go from a parking lot in California to a parking lot in New York no controls touched at any point during the entire journey.” * **June 11th 2017**: Last time a feature was added to AP2 (perpendicular parking) * **January 26th 2018**: Tesla finally updates manuals on website to AP2 manuals. | PSA: Want to get into an AP1 car but can t afford a Tesla? The 2018 Nissan Leaf with ProPilot is the exact same Mobileye EyeQ3 chipset as AutoPilot 1 but with more (and longer range) sensors and alerts than Tesla had. Autosteer adaptive cruise control AEB pedestrian detection and avoidance lane intervention (will push you back into the lane if you wander) rear cross-traffic alerts blind spot alerts backup intervention (automatically brakes if you re going to back into something) etc. | This post is a little misleading. AP2 has dramatically improved over the last two months and IMO is close to parity with AP1. Also how can you definitively say AP1 is better than AP2? Have you done a back-to-back comparison? | 54 | 11 | 2,168 |
82cm30 | 938 | I did it Reddit! I drove 2 cars at once! I m cracking up over this! My Model 3 was parked on the street. My Model S was parked in front of my driveway gate. I wanted to move both cars to behind the gate. I got into the 3 pulled in the driveway behind the S. I pulled out my S s fob activated summon and the S started moving through the gate. I followed behind in the 3. I drove both cars at the same time! | Soon there will be Tesla shepherds herding 100s of Teslas in the sunset. | Deserves an up vote. | 280 | 2 | 2,169 |
82cm30 | 938 | I did it Reddit! I drove 2 cars at once! I m cracking up over this! My Model 3 was parked on the street. My Model S was parked in front of my driveway gate. I wanted to move both cars to behind the gate. I got into the 3 pulled in the driveway behind the S. I pulled out my S s fob activated summon and the S started moving through the gate. I followed behind in the 3. I drove both cars at the same time! | Soon there will be Tesla shepherds herding 100s of Teslas in the sunset. | That second paragraph seems rather freudian. | 280 | 8 | 2,170 |
82cm30 | 938 | I did it Reddit! I drove 2 cars at once! I m cracking up over this! My Model 3 was parked on the street. My Model S was parked in front of my driveway gate. I wanted to move both cars to behind the gate. I got into the 3 pulled in the driveway behind the S. I pulled out my S s fob activated summon and the S started moving through the gate. I followed behind in the 3. I drove both cars at the same time! | Soon there will be Tesla shepherds herding 100s of Teslas in the sunset. | 2 cars one driver. | 280 | 13 | 2,171 |
82g8jp | 104 | [Discussion] Likelihood of a Model S Refresh coming in June? I wanted to put down all the evidence for and against a Model S refresh coming in June. **Refresh Arguments** * Model S delivery times went from end of [March to June](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-delivery-delay-until-june.109004 ) overnight. Such a long gap might be used to retool the production line. * The interior is basically the same since 2012 * Someone s Model S Price was reduced by [$4 000 CAD](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 82dbjf tesla_decreased_my_model_s_price_by_4000 ). I could see them doing this if you were the last in line before the refresh (it might ease the pain of missing a refresh). * It makes sense for Tesla to time a refresh around the time the Federal Tax Credit will start to phase out. (My guess is Q3 will be the last quarter with the full tax credit) * The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. * Edit: Lots of S 100Ds were added to new [inventory](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?INTERIOR=WHITE& BATTERY=HUNDRED& ADL_OPTS=AUDIO& arrangeby=plh& zip=94016& range=0) today. It looks like mostly floor models. Does this happen every quarter or are they making room for an update? **Refresh Counterarguments** * Tesla wouldn t do a refresh while they are in [manufacturing hell](https: nypost.com 2017 12 27 tesla-may-still-be-stuck-in-model-3-manufacturing-hell ) with the Model 3 * Model 3 has also slowed down in production perhaps there s a supplier constraint and they are having suppliers focus on Model 3 parts over Model S X (thus pushing back Model S X deliveries). * Someone in a forum (can t remember where) works as a Tesla supplier and says Tesla hasn t ordered new parts which would be required for a refresh. * People have been [predicting](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-range-and-interior-update-imminent.94995 ) a refresh for a while now. * Tesla says the June delay is because of [high demand](https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog ) (no mention of refresh). * u 1st3inAZ - Tesla is playing games with the tax credit and that is what pushed production out until June. * Sales for S X are strong. Production upside is limited (120kish?). Why not use the same team to work on the Y Semi or Truck? **Personal Thoughts** I could see two parallel paths for the S in a cover and move strategy. Cover: small updates like better screen small interior tweaks etc. Move: Major redesign to allow for bigger updated batteries and lowering manufacturing costs based on the learnings from the 3 (and upcoming Y). This will allow them to have a better margin and stay ahead of the pending EV luxury flood. **Personal Prediction** Cover (constant improvement): These updates will come out every 6 months or so. This has been their current strategy. Move (complete redesign): This will be worked on after Model Y starts production (probably in parallel with the Truck design). This will maximize revenue for Tesla (get the Model 3 Y producing large numbers!) and maximize the production learnings to increase margin on the S. I ve also got a S100D scheduled for delivery at end of March. I ve got SERIOUS anxiety about a June refresh. What do you think? Did I miss any arguments? | Think very low chance they would plan a refresh of Model S prior to getting model 3 off ground cash flow positive. Would be very poor use of capital IMO. The company stock in infinitely better place once Model 3 run rate > 5 000 week. Already selling as many X S as can produce in a quarter so no urgent business case for a refresh so close to Model 3 launch. | Very good post I agree with your thoughts. | 31 | 2 | 2,172 |
82jbzr | 68 | Locked my key fob inside my Model S. Seriously. I had to get my brothers car towed from my parents house earlier today. After his car was on the flat bed I went to get my wallet out of my Model S. I pushed on the door handle with no luck as the car was locked and didn t recognize there was a key inside the vehicle. I then look inside and saw it. My iPhone sitting on top of my key in the center consol area. For you that don t know iPhones tends to block the RFID (NFC) signal coming from the key fob if placed close to each other. I used my parents phone for the Tesla app unable to remember my password correctly couldn t remember which characters were capitalized. The tow truck driver was able to get the airbag between the window and B pillar then slipped in a rod and pulled on the handle. Took less than a minute for him to get inside. I just think it s funny that I did in fact lock my key inside my Tesla. Edit: Originally typed on my phone. Fixed some grammar once I got to my computer. | Do you routinely empty out your pockets when you get in the car? **And** forget your password? Seems like the Perfect Storm. | It would be great if you can just call Tesla support and then they could remotely unlock your car for you. That should be a thing. | 61 | 5 | 2,173 |
82jnji | 67 | non owner - configure and ordered on the 22nd..just checked my tesla and I have a vin assigned (discussion) I have not heard from anyone at Tesla but I def have a vin. it ends in. F008157 What all information does this give me and is there anywhere I should upload that information to? I m in Miami Florida. I wonder now that a vin has been assigned how long until I pickup the car. Side note this works perfectly for me because I just put up my current leased vehicle on swapalease 24 hours ago and someone has already committed and is applying with bmw to take over the lease which is supposed to take about 3 weeks to process. *edit* on unsoundgum recommendation i just called in to tesla where the rep shared with me I do have a sales consultant assigned. He shared her name and email so I can reach out but being that vin is assigned I am a week or two out from delivery. (Watch it land when i am away for a week on work that would make the most sense would happen to me) and that current tesla rates based on the average of four banks for apr is about 3.25% so Im def going with a credit union. | Jealous! Owner waited in line configured 4 weeks ago - no VIN! And I live 20 minutes away from Fremont. | Wow nice I was waiting to hear about someone getting their VIN that ordered on the 22nd as well. I m in CA and have not yet so I m pretty jealous of you. I was told on the phone by a Tesla rep that they will schedule your delivery within a week if possible once you are assigned a VIN. | 35 | 2 | 2,174 |
82jnji | 67 | non owner - configure and ordered on the 22nd..just checked my tesla and I have a vin assigned (discussion) I have not heard from anyone at Tesla but I def have a vin. it ends in. F008157 What all information does this give me and is there anywhere I should upload that information to? I m in Miami Florida. I wonder now that a vin has been assigned how long until I pickup the car. Side note this works perfectly for me because I just put up my current leased vehicle on swapalease 24 hours ago and someone has already committed and is applying with bmw to take over the lease which is supposed to take about 3 weeks to process. *edit* on unsoundgum recommendation i just called in to tesla where the rep shared with me I do have a sales consultant assigned. He shared her name and email so I can reach out but being that vin is assigned I am a week or two out from delivery. (Watch it land when i am away for a week on work that would make the most sense would happen to me) and that current tesla rates based on the average of four banks for apr is about 3.25% so Im def going with a credit union. | Jealous! Owner waited in line configured 4 weeks ago - no VIN! And I live 20 minutes away from Fremont. | For me it was 13 days to VIN assignment and 5 more to pickup at Fremont. Could have happened sooner if they had available appointments. | 35 | 3 | 2,175 |
82jnji | 67 | non owner - configure and ordered on the 22nd..just checked my tesla and I have a vin assigned (discussion) I have not heard from anyone at Tesla but I def have a vin. it ends in. F008157 What all information does this give me and is there anywhere I should upload that information to? I m in Miami Florida. I wonder now that a vin has been assigned how long until I pickup the car. Side note this works perfectly for me because I just put up my current leased vehicle on swapalease 24 hours ago and someone has already committed and is applying with bmw to take over the lease which is supposed to take about 3 weeks to process. *edit* on unsoundgum recommendation i just called in to tesla where the rep shared with me I do have a sales consultant assigned. He shared her name and email so I can reach out but being that vin is assigned I am a week or two out from delivery. (Watch it land when i am away for a week on work that would make the most sense would happen to me) and that current tesla rates based on the average of four banks for apr is about 3.25% so Im def going with a credit union. | Jealous! Owner waited in line configured 4 weeks ago - no VIN! And I live 20 minutes away from Fremont. | Congrats. I configured 2 14 and no VIN | 35 | 5 | 2,176 |
82tk2t | 55 | Tesla event in Argentina in late 2018 Sooooo I m on holiday in the Miami area and as a huge Tesla fan I went to their store in Aventura Mall. It was awesome and I finally came to meet the Models S X & 3. As I was leaving I talked a bit with a salesman and he asked where I was from. I said Buenos Aires Argentina and he told me that Tesla was planning some events in Argentina in Buenos Aires Córdoba and Mendoza in the end of 2018. I gave him my information and he put me in a list for the event. Is this an usual thing? Have there been any news about these events? Anyway I might go back to the store and dig some more information before I leave tomorrow ... | Wait wait wait. Are you telling me that Tesla is coming to Argentina in 2019? Second semestre instensifies. | Wow... seems like they wouldn t be planning events in a country unless they were selling there... guess that means we can start to see an official presence there later this year! | 38 | 10 | 2,177 |
83n3zs | 131 | Tesla increased Supercharging rates in Washington dramatically. 11 kWh to .25 kWh Some owners in Washington have noticed Tesla more than doubled Supercharging rates in the State of Washington in the past few days. Surprised how dramatic of a change was made. Anyone else notice any major rate changes in their states? | I have said this for a long time. Public electric car charging is too cheap for them to make money. It is almost laughable that you all look at electrical costs in determining price. Most of the actual cost is installation and depreciation on the charging equipment. It should be about double unless Tesla subsidizes it. On top of that Tesla may indeed be paying surge pricing for its power until they put batteries in the charging stations to even out the draw. Electric utilities don t like if you use 1mw for two hours a day and 1 10 that the rest of the day. The utilities charge crazy amounts for massive periodic use to industrial customers. | Looks like the rates in Maryland have increased as well. The rates used to be 16 to 20 cents per kWh (depending on the charge rate). Now it is a flat 23 cents per kWh. | 67 | 3 | 2,178 |
83n3zs | 131 | Tesla increased Supercharging rates in Washington dramatically. 11 kWh to .25 kWh Some owners in Washington have noticed Tesla more than doubled Supercharging rates in the State of Washington in the past few days. Surprised how dramatic of a change was made. Anyone else notice any major rate changes in their states? | I have said this for a long time. Public electric car charging is too cheap for them to make money. It is almost laughable that you all look at electrical costs in determining price. Most of the actual cost is installation and depreciation on the charging equipment. It should be about double unless Tesla subsidizes it. On top of that Tesla may indeed be paying surge pricing for its power until they put batteries in the charging stations to even out the draw. Electric utilities don t like if you use 1mw for two hours a day and 1 10 that the rest of the day. The utilities charge crazy amounts for massive periodic use to industrial customers. | In before someone posts the quote where Tesla said they d never make Supercharging a profit center | 67 | 3 | 2,179 |
83n3zs | 131 | Tesla increased Supercharging rates in Washington dramatically. 11 kWh to .25 kWh Some owners in Washington have noticed Tesla more than doubled Supercharging rates in the State of Washington in the past few days. Surprised how dramatic of a change was made. Anyone else notice any major rate changes in their states? | I have said this for a long time. Public electric car charging is too cheap for them to make money. It is almost laughable that you all look at electrical costs in determining price. Most of the actual cost is installation and depreciation on the charging equipment. It should be about double unless Tesla subsidizes it. On top of that Tesla may indeed be paying surge pricing for its power until they put batteries in the charging stations to even out the draw. Electric utilities don t like if you use 1mw for two hours a day and 1 10 that the rest of the day. The utilities charge crazy amounts for massive periodic use to industrial customers. | Not only dramatic but WAY more than residential rates. Wonder if this is a way to deter Supercharger use for anything but trips for those not already getting free SC use. Now the only plus to SC use is speed and if you are not home. It does kind of screw over those who cannot charge at home like townhouse and apartment owners - they will pay double (which is still much less than what it would cost to go the same distance on gasoline though) | 67 | 3 | 2,180 |
83ndoi | 95 | Supercharging rates increased across the US. https: www.tesla.com support supercharging CA $0.20 to $0.26 OR $0.12 to $0.24 | If their margin is the same and they are just adjusting to the cost of electricity that s one thing. If they are increasing their margin I hope they use the extra revenue to build more charging stations. I could support a price increase if that s the case. | DOn t the majority of S and X owners have free supercharging? | 39 | 2 | 2,181 |
83ndoi | 95 | Supercharging rates increased across the US. https: www.tesla.com support supercharging CA $0.20 to $0.26 OR $0.12 to $0.24 | If their margin is the same and they are just adjusting to the cost of electricity that s one thing. If they are increasing their margin I hope they use the extra revenue to build more charging stations. I could support a price increase if that s the case. | It would ve been nice to see some sort of communication from Tesla regarding this. | 39 | 11 | 2,182 |
83ndoi | 95 | Supercharging rates increased across the US. https: www.tesla.com support supercharging CA $0.20 to $0.26 OR $0.12 to $0.24 | If their margin is the same and they are just adjusting to the cost of electricity that s one thing. If they are increasing their margin I hope they use the extra revenue to build more charging stations. I could support a price increase if that s the case. | This is disappointing however if they d use the revenue to increase the number of neighborhood chargers for renters and folks traveling and fight state laws against charging by kW it d be worth it. | 39 | 13 | 2,183 |
83og60 | 80 | Elon: 18 months until self driving End of next year all modes of driving at least 100-200% safer than a human driver | I knew someone would hard quote him. He s using the example of self-driving to demonstrate how AI capabilities have been growing exponentially and he believes that by the end of next year self-driving will be dominant in all modes of driving at least 100-200% safer than a human driver. Don t try to claim he s setting timetables here... | Assuming this was from his talk at South by Southwest? | 128 | 2 | 2,184 |
83og60 | 80 | Elon: 18 months until self driving End of next year all modes of driving at least 100-200% safer than a human driver | I knew someone would hard quote him. He s using the example of self-driving to demonstrate how AI capabilities have been growing exponentially and he believes that by the end of next year self-driving will be dominant in all modes of driving at least 100-200% safer than a human driver. Don t try to claim he s setting timetables here... | 18 month maybe 36 months definitely | 128 | 33 | 2,185 |
83og60 | 80 | Elon: 18 months until self driving End of next year all modes of driving at least 100-200% safer than a human driver | December 2015: We re going to end up with complete autonomy and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years. - http: fortune.com 2015 12 21 elon-musk-interview January 2016: In ~2 years summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders eg you re in LA and the car is in NY - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 686279251293777920 June 2016: I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem he said. I think we are probably less than two years away. - https: www.theguardian.com technology 2016 jun 02 self-driving-car-elon-musk-tech-predictions-tesla-google March 2017: I think that is about two years (Sleeping in a driverless tesla) - https: www.ted.com talks elon_musk_the_future_we_re_building_and_boring transcript?language=en March 2018 I think probably by end of next year [end of 2019] self-driving will encompass essentially all modes of driving and be at least 100% to 200% safer than a person. SXSW 2018 | Assuming this was from his talk at South by Southwest? | 92 | 2 | 2,186 |
83wjct | 41 | [Discussion] Finally drove a Model 3. One major turnoff: the rear window is utterly useless. It s almost impossible to shoulder check traffic or even rearview mirror check traffic. The rear window is at such a high position that you can t see cars on your tail. At night it s even worse. You can t see the headlights of the nearest car behind you just their rooflines in the darkness if you can make them out. The side mirrors are no help either because they re tiny. The Model S is a bigger car but still allows you to check rear traffic easily using mirrors or shoulder glance. I ll wager that blind side incidents and repairs would be pretty common with the 3. | Tesla really should have some sort of blind spot monitoring built into the side mirrors. Not everyone wants to pay for Autopilot but on a $50k car it really should have some sort of blind spot monitoring with the poor rear visibility. Just my opinion. | Try driving a convertible 370Z and then tell me it s bad... lol | 35 | 2 | 2,187 |
83wjct | 41 | [Discussion] Finally drove a Model 3. One major turnoff: the rear window is utterly useless. It s almost impossible to shoulder check traffic or even rearview mirror check traffic. The rear window is at such a high position that you can t see cars on your tail. At night it s even worse. You can t see the headlights of the nearest car behind you just their rooflines in the darkness if you can make them out. The side mirrors are no help either because they re tiny. The Model S is a bigger car but still allows you to check rear traffic easily using mirrors or shoulder glance. I ll wager that blind side incidents and repairs would be pretty common with the 3. | Tesla really should have some sort of blind spot monitoring built into the side mirrors. Not everyone wants to pay for Autopilot but on a $50k car it really should have some sort of blind spot monitoring with the poor rear visibility. Just my opinion. | how tall are you OP? short in the torso? | 35 | 4 | 2,188 |
83wjct | 41 | [Discussion] Finally drove a Model 3. One major turnoff: the rear window is utterly useless. It s almost impossible to shoulder check traffic or even rearview mirror check traffic. The rear window is at such a high position that you can t see cars on your tail. At night it s even worse. You can t see the headlights of the nearest car behind you just their rooflines in the darkness if you can make them out. The side mirrors are no help either because they re tiny. The Model S is a bigger car but still allows you to check rear traffic easily using mirrors or shoulder glance. I ll wager that blind side incidents and repairs would be pretty common with the 3. | Tesla really should have some sort of blind spot monitoring built into the side mirrors. Not everyone wants to pay for Autopilot but on a $50k car it really should have some sort of blind spot monitoring with the poor rear visibility. Just my opinion. | It is extremely bad - I didn t think I was going to find a sedan with worse visibility out the back than my Mustang but the Model 3 definitely felt harder to see out of. | 35 | 4 | 2,189 |
83wmpe | 94 | First death recorded in a Tesla in Norway This sadly happened just a few hours ago. Here s an article translated into english: [Link](https: translate.google.no translate?sl=no& tl=en& js=y& prev=_t& hl=no& ie=UTF-8& u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tv2.no%2Fnyheter%2F9736363%2F& edit-text=& act=url) All photos has been removed from the newspapers however here s a [copy](https: ap.mnocdn.no images 3f1487fa-dd94-46d2-a194-8d2c558a187c) | From the looks of the picture the roof of the car probably got squished in the wall.. Idk how fast you would have to be going but I m sure it s much faster than normal parking garage speed. | Cement wall oof. | 41 | 12 | 2,190 |
83zmyu | 34 | [Discussion] Over 6 weeks since Config still no Model 3 delivery. Anyone else having a bad delivery experience? I configured my TM3 on 1 27 and when I submitted it I was told it could take up to 4 weeks. At week 5 I had VIN assigned and was told my car could be picked up in 2 days. I got insurance and my cashiers check ready for the big day. Then less than 24 hours after I was given a VIN I was told my delivery was cancelled because the car had a critical safety issue (something wrong with suspension). So now I have no car again and no VIN. I was told that I was on a priority list but it s been over a week and I still don t have a new VIN. Anyone else running into these types of delivery issues? I m concerned now because my pre-approval loan is going to expire soon and I have no idea how long I could be looking to wait. | Welcome to Tesla! | I would keep the pressure on your sales advisor. Whoever emailed you about the VIN being ready would be the best person to contact. They re probably waiting for the next batch of your color to be made but be grateful they caught the mistake before selling you the car. | 105 | 16 | 2,191 |
847xok | 650 | Tesla Semi spotted in St. Louis Supercharging: https: twitter.com realKyleFeller status 973660765097005062 In alleyway of Anheuser-Busch: https: www.facebook.com groups StLTesla permalink 2485769264976329 Amazingly this has the same CA license plate (XP24261) as the [previously-spotted Semis in CA just 5 days ago](https: electrek.co 2018 03 08 tesla-semi-trucks-spotted-supercharger-first-cargo-trip ). If it s the same Semi that means it traveled around 2 000 miles in at most 4 days including charging. | Also - let s talk about that car sitting next to it. | ~~Seems like pretty iron-clad evidence the Semi is already being field-tested by Anheuser-Busch [who ordered 40](http: fortune.com 2017 12 07 anheuser-busch-tesla-semi-trucks ).~~ Edit: could just be a victory lap as u PB94941 suggested since it s the same truck from CA. | 163 | 7 | 2,192 |
847xok | 650 | Tesla Semi spotted in St. Louis Supercharging: https: twitter.com realKyleFeller status 973660765097005062 In alleyway of Anheuser-Busch: https: www.facebook.com groups StLTesla permalink 2485769264976329 Amazingly this has the same CA license plate (XP24261) as the [previously-spotted Semis in CA just 5 days ago](https: electrek.co 2018 03 08 tesla-semi-trucks-spotted-supercharger-first-cargo-trip ). If it s the same Semi that means it traveled around 2 000 miles in at most 4 days including charging. | Also - let s talk about that car sitting next to it. | Doing a trip around all the big pre-orders sharing stats about the recent GF - Fremont trip? | 163 | 11 | 2,193 |
847xok | 650 | Tesla Semi spotted in St. Louis Supercharging: https: twitter.com realKyleFeller status 973660765097005062 In alleyway of Anheuser-Busch: https: www.facebook.com groups StLTesla permalink 2485769264976329 Amazingly this has the same CA license plate (XP24261) as the [previously-spotted Semis in CA just 5 days ago](https: electrek.co 2018 03 08 tesla-semi-trucks-spotted-supercharger-first-cargo-trip ). If it s the same Semi that means it traveled around 2 000 miles in at most 4 days including charging. | Also - let s talk about that car sitting next to it. | That s unexpected! Also interesting. I wonder if the beta ones use standard SC and the production will use MC or if they re cross compatible somehow. | 163 | 17 | 2,194 |
852kcw | 34 | Model 3 delivery estimate I would like to know from people who have already configured received their model 3 at what point of during their delivery estimate window did configuration become available. My delivery estimate says March-May. Should I expect the ability to configure any day now the end of May or further delayed into June or July. Sorry for my impatience waiting sucks. | Hi. I m one of the authors of the Model 3 invites spreadsheet. I have created a special filtered view for you that shows only entries with March-May 2018 delivery estimates. Click [HERE](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1BWscIZyLsh42IHcj1AJNfEF-vzj-vRo-3skcCXgO_Nc edit#gid=1026038081& fvid=1456205014) to view it. As you can see many of these folks have received an invite on 22 Feb. It is likely that your invite isn t too far away but Tesla still hasn t processed the current batch. They are still around 800 week production rate with only 14 days to go to hit their 2 500 week target by the end of Q1. Also check out the [Model 3 Delivery Estimator](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1rKDw72FOIMmSY8wBVl0ECjAjwYV9shlvRiVKKzfu3L8 edit#gid=0). It will show an estimated date for configuration and delivery. I have updated it yesterday based on latest production numbers. | Nobody knows mate. My original delivery estimate for first production was November - January. I didn t get the invite until February. Just assume it s whatever they re saying now + 3 months. | 51 | 6 | 2,195 |
852kcw | 34 | Model 3 delivery estimate I would like to know from people who have already configured received their model 3 at what point of during their delivery estimate window did configuration become available. My delivery estimate says March-May. Should I expect the ability to configure any day now the end of May or further delayed into June or July. Sorry for my impatience waiting sucks. | Hi. I m one of the authors of the Model 3 invites spreadsheet. I have created a special filtered view for you that shows only entries with March-May 2018 delivery estimates. Click [HERE](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1BWscIZyLsh42IHcj1AJNfEF-vzj-vRo-3skcCXgO_Nc edit#gid=1026038081& fvid=1456205014) to view it. As you can see many of these folks have received an invite on 22 Feb. It is likely that your invite isn t too far away but Tesla still hasn t processed the current batch. They are still around 800 week production rate with only 14 days to go to hit their 2 500 week target by the end of Q1. Also check out the [Model 3 Delivery Estimator](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1rKDw72FOIMmSY8wBVl0ECjAjwYV9shlvRiVKKzfu3L8 edit#gid=0). It will show an estimated date for configuration and delivery. I have updated it yesterday based on latest production numbers. | Hard to say - the first large batch of non owner deliveries on 2 22 is still being fulfilled by Tesla and it s taken them almost a month to fill those 230 or so orders as they race to beat the end of the quarter to goose the sales numbers. When they will pick up invites again en masse is anyone s guess but I would venture that last week of March is a solid guess. Right before the investor call to build more buzz and confidence. I had a March to May time frame and was invited 2 22 for what will most likely be a end of March to early April delivery. Hope this helps. | 51 | 9 | 2,196 |
852kcw | 34 | Model 3 delivery estimate I would like to know from people who have already configured received their model 3 at what point of during their delivery estimate window did configuration become available. My delivery estimate says March-May. Should I expect the ability to configure any day now the end of May or further delayed into June or July. Sorry for my impatience waiting sucks. | I m afraid the only viable solution to this is to check your Tesla account every hour at least once. | Nobody knows mate. My original delivery estimate for first production was November - January. I didn t get the invite until February. Just assume it s whatever they re saying now + 3 months. | 34 | 6 | 2,197 |
85ajxa | 836 | A detailed review of Model 3 from a M3 owner. Context: I m currently a happy owner of an [F80 M3](https: i.imgur.com kplaltD.jpg) and over the years I ve owned a [F30 335i](https: i.imgur.com edTsvFR.jpg) and an E92 335i. I ve driven pretty much all the cars in this segment namely the BMW 3-series the C43 AMG the Audi S4 and S5 and the new Alfa Romeo Giulia. Well today I was able to borrow [this baby](https: imgur.com qFXj4Nq) and spent a day driving it on mountain roads within San Francisco and cruise it down 101. Here are my impressions. I m going to score individual categories relative to other competitors in this class so I won t be rating the Model 3 s cost against a Civic its luxury against a S class or its handling against a 911. **Drivetrain (9 10):** Modern ICE drivetrains are quite good especially in the premium sports sedan segment. Max torque reached at very low RPM from the new turbo engines silky smooth shift from the ZF-8 gearboxes and some of them even manage to sound good (i e C43 AMG). But the Model 3 beats pretty much all competitors in these categories (ok maybe not sound) with 0-30 performance that feels as fast as my M3. Instant max torque at 0 rpm and no gear shift makes this car a performance star around town especially in local driving. One point is deducted due to Model 3 s power torque falls off quite noticeably at around 55 mph and above. Still not slow by any means but do lag behind some of the competitors in this segment. **Steering (8 10):** The Model 3 has really direct steering that s quite nicely weighted (more so than the Model S) and even has a bit of that steering feedback many modern cars with electric racks lack. The ratio is not as stupidly quick as the Alfa Romeo Giulia (maybe a good thing) but felt very comparable to my last 335i. Two point being deducted for the steering weight doesn t increase in a predicable linear fashion as you keep turning. It does get heavier as turn-in increases but not as much as I d liked and it doesn t provide as much confidence near the limit as the best in this class. **Suspension Chassis (9.5 10):** Yep that s an almost perfect score and in my opinion as a sports sedan the Model 3 is among the cream of the crop in this already sporty segment. It manages to be supple *and* sharp at the same time and is able to offer some good feedback from the road without trying to set you up with your local chiropractor. It s obviously not as hardcore razor sharp as my M3 (and no it doesn t make the Giulia feel like wet sponge ) but it s extremely well balanced and reminds me of BMW s best days. Some people may find the ride a bit too harsh but I personally applaud Tesla for having the courage to make a sports sedan actually sporty instead of just making a land yacht with good acceleration. BMW maybe you should use some of those SUV profits to build actual Ultimate Driving Machines again. All of this is combined with the low center of gravity from the battery pack which resulted in probably the least amount of body roll in this segment. However it s not a perfect 10 because weight *can* be felt at higher cornering speed and it was obvious the car s tires are quite limiting factors. **Interior Quality Fit and Finish (5 10):** Before I talk about anything else I want to bring up the steering wheel or rather how ugly it is. The [Model S](https: images.hgmsites.net lrg 2013-tesla-model-s-4-door-sedan-steering-wheel_100466393_l.jpg) has a handsome and premium looking steering wheel my M3 has [real aluminum trim and contrast stitching leather](https: imgur.com a Tkqkx) and the Audi S4 has a steering wheel that resembles [that of a racecar](http: image.superstreetonline.com f 144382304+w+h+q80+re0+cr1+ar0+st0 2017-audi-s4-live-interior.jpg). Meanwhile the Model 3 s steering wheel looks like an [afterthought](https: i.imgur.com uzXoU7W.jpg) that Tesla engineers reluctantly put in last minute because they couldn t get Full Self Driving to work. Interior materials were decent. The wood trim felt premium but was marred by aluminum colored plastic around it. Most of the plastic were soft to touch and the synthetic leather felt ok as well. But this segment is extremely competitive and even [KIA](https: i.imgur.com tISHJNh.jpg) started using top end materials everywhere. Minimalism is a design choice that s subjective but material quality is an objective benchmark where the Model 3 is definitely falling short to the class leaders such as the [C class](http: www.mercedescla.org forum attachments 28929d1471300833-cla-interior-vs-c-class-mercedes-c-class-salooon-2014-door-panel-detail-frontseatdriver.co_.uk_.jpg). (Yes every piece there are real aluminum including the window switchers and the speaker grills are laser drilled aluminum as well.) I personally thought the $5000 price tag for the PUP is quite outrageous for what you get. For that money you d be buying into [BMW Individual Program interiors] (http: cdn.bmwblog.com wp-content uploads 2015 07 F80-M3-Individual.jpg). In comparison the full leather interior upgrade of my M3 was a mere $2k. On the other hand build quality was solid and the only rattling I thought I heard turned out to be the zipper of my jacket. Much better feel than the Model S from the earlier days. Also door pockets and rear cup holders man. **Technology User Interface (Exclude Auto Pilot) (2 10):** This was definitely by far the lowest point of my experience. The car was very bare bone as far as features go with no heated steering wheel no HUD no surround view camera and one of the worst sound system I ve heard from this segment (seriously mid-high range sound very flat and even distorted at higher volume). Then there is the center display which was responsive and high resolution by itself. But the problem was the interface itself was a complete mess. One cannot even adjust side mirrors without drilling down into the menus while driving. Bringing up the odometer of the car was a puzzle game by itself. The passenger couldn t open the glove compartment when I was trying to setup Bluetooth with my phone. Navigation itself was fine but the UI was dangerously unsafe since the turn-by-turn instruction was to the far right side of the screen with small fonts on top of an alpha overlay. Coming from [what I currently have](https: i.imgur.com vBjVrq8.jpg) it was just infuriating. And by the way [this happened twice](https: i.imgur.com chrYRpQ.jpg) to me on the short drive up to San Francisco. Once it happened when I was trying to get to the menu to adjust my side mirror. Thank Elon for Auto Pilot. Which brings us to... **Auto Pilot (10 10):** The best driver assist in this segment bar none end of story. Is it perfect? Not even close. Is it the best money currently can buy? By far. I would be lying if I said I didn t miss my M3 on the drive up to San Francisco. But after grabbing a late dinner with friends and I drove back on the boring 101 at night I would be lying if I said I didn t wish my M3 had Auto Pilot. **Overall Impression:** I was impressed by the Model 3. It wasn t perfect but is definitely without a doubt one of the strongest entries in the crowded luxury sports sedan segment. It does have some unique issues but it also has the unmatched value proposition of the sportiest EV on the market (yes this car is a lot sportier than a P100D Model S). This may very well be my next daily driver if there is room in the budget for it along with a [718 GTS](http: st.automobilemag.com uploads sites 11 2017 12 2018-Porsche-718-Cayman-GTS-front-side-in-motion-01.jpg) :) The Model 3 is not a true sports car. It is not a real luxury car either. But for 99% of the people out there who can work an EV into their life it is a *very very VERY good* car. The Model 3 is probably not *the* best car in this segment but I also cannot say any competitor is clearly better. Tesla s first effort in this segment manages to trade blows evenly against the best. P.S. The 3 settings for the heated seats seemed to be... 1. Somewhat warm. 2. George Foreman. 3. [What this guy felt.](https: geekandsundry.com wp-content uploads 2015 03 gollum-lava.jpg) Feel free to ask any questions :) **EDIT:** I forgot to mention yes the rear window visibility was absolutely awful comparable to the new pillbox Camaro. But hey it s a *forward looking* company right? | Nice review I m surprised you didn t like the sound system I heard that it was much improved in the Model 3. | A great read! Thanks for taking the time to write it. | 182 | 3 | 2,198 |
85ajxa | 836 | A detailed review of Model 3 from a M3 owner. Context: I m currently a happy owner of an [F80 M3](https: i.imgur.com kplaltD.jpg) and over the years I ve owned a [F30 335i](https: i.imgur.com edTsvFR.jpg) and an E92 335i. I ve driven pretty much all the cars in this segment namely the BMW 3-series the C43 AMG the Audi S4 and S5 and the new Alfa Romeo Giulia. Well today I was able to borrow [this baby](https: imgur.com qFXj4Nq) and spent a day driving it on mountain roads within San Francisco and cruise it down 101. Here are my impressions. I m going to score individual categories relative to other competitors in this class so I won t be rating the Model 3 s cost against a Civic its luxury against a S class or its handling against a 911. **Drivetrain (9 10):** Modern ICE drivetrains are quite good especially in the premium sports sedan segment. Max torque reached at very low RPM from the new turbo engines silky smooth shift from the ZF-8 gearboxes and some of them even manage to sound good (i e C43 AMG). But the Model 3 beats pretty much all competitors in these categories (ok maybe not sound) with 0-30 performance that feels as fast as my M3. Instant max torque at 0 rpm and no gear shift makes this car a performance star around town especially in local driving. One point is deducted due to Model 3 s power torque falls off quite noticeably at around 55 mph and above. Still not slow by any means but do lag behind some of the competitors in this segment. **Steering (8 10):** The Model 3 has really direct steering that s quite nicely weighted (more so than the Model S) and even has a bit of that steering feedback many modern cars with electric racks lack. The ratio is not as stupidly quick as the Alfa Romeo Giulia (maybe a good thing) but felt very comparable to my last 335i. Two point being deducted for the steering weight doesn t increase in a predicable linear fashion as you keep turning. It does get heavier as turn-in increases but not as much as I d liked and it doesn t provide as much confidence near the limit as the best in this class. **Suspension Chassis (9.5 10):** Yep that s an almost perfect score and in my opinion as a sports sedan the Model 3 is among the cream of the crop in this already sporty segment. It manages to be supple *and* sharp at the same time and is able to offer some good feedback from the road without trying to set you up with your local chiropractor. It s obviously not as hardcore razor sharp as my M3 (and no it doesn t make the Giulia feel like wet sponge ) but it s extremely well balanced and reminds me of BMW s best days. Some people may find the ride a bit too harsh but I personally applaud Tesla for having the courage to make a sports sedan actually sporty instead of just making a land yacht with good acceleration. BMW maybe you should use some of those SUV profits to build actual Ultimate Driving Machines again. All of this is combined with the low center of gravity from the battery pack which resulted in probably the least amount of body roll in this segment. However it s not a perfect 10 because weight *can* be felt at higher cornering speed and it was obvious the car s tires are quite limiting factors. **Interior Quality Fit and Finish (5 10):** Before I talk about anything else I want to bring up the steering wheel or rather how ugly it is. The [Model S](https: images.hgmsites.net lrg 2013-tesla-model-s-4-door-sedan-steering-wheel_100466393_l.jpg) has a handsome and premium looking steering wheel my M3 has [real aluminum trim and contrast stitching leather](https: imgur.com a Tkqkx) and the Audi S4 has a steering wheel that resembles [that of a racecar](http: image.superstreetonline.com f 144382304+w+h+q80+re0+cr1+ar0+st0 2017-audi-s4-live-interior.jpg). Meanwhile the Model 3 s steering wheel looks like an [afterthought](https: i.imgur.com uzXoU7W.jpg) that Tesla engineers reluctantly put in last minute because they couldn t get Full Self Driving to work. Interior materials were decent. The wood trim felt premium but was marred by aluminum colored plastic around it. Most of the plastic were soft to touch and the synthetic leather felt ok as well. But this segment is extremely competitive and even [KIA](https: i.imgur.com tISHJNh.jpg) started using top end materials everywhere. Minimalism is a design choice that s subjective but material quality is an objective benchmark where the Model 3 is definitely falling short to the class leaders such as the [C class](http: www.mercedescla.org forum attachments 28929d1471300833-cla-interior-vs-c-class-mercedes-c-class-salooon-2014-door-panel-detail-frontseatdriver.co_.uk_.jpg). (Yes every piece there are real aluminum including the window switchers and the speaker grills are laser drilled aluminum as well.) I personally thought the $5000 price tag for the PUP is quite outrageous for what you get. For that money you d be buying into [BMW Individual Program interiors] (http: cdn.bmwblog.com wp-content uploads 2015 07 F80-M3-Individual.jpg). In comparison the full leather interior upgrade of my M3 was a mere $2k. On the other hand build quality was solid and the only rattling I thought I heard turned out to be the zipper of my jacket. Much better feel than the Model S from the earlier days. Also door pockets and rear cup holders man. **Technology User Interface (Exclude Auto Pilot) (2 10):** This was definitely by far the lowest point of my experience. The car was very bare bone as far as features go with no heated steering wheel no HUD no surround view camera and one of the worst sound system I ve heard from this segment (seriously mid-high range sound very flat and even distorted at higher volume). Then there is the center display which was responsive and high resolution by itself. But the problem was the interface itself was a complete mess. One cannot even adjust side mirrors without drilling down into the menus while driving. Bringing up the odometer of the car was a puzzle game by itself. The passenger couldn t open the glove compartment when I was trying to setup Bluetooth with my phone. Navigation itself was fine but the UI was dangerously unsafe since the turn-by-turn instruction was to the far right side of the screen with small fonts on top of an alpha overlay. Coming from [what I currently have](https: i.imgur.com vBjVrq8.jpg) it was just infuriating. And by the way [this happened twice](https: i.imgur.com chrYRpQ.jpg) to me on the short drive up to San Francisco. Once it happened when I was trying to get to the menu to adjust my side mirror. Thank Elon for Auto Pilot. Which brings us to... **Auto Pilot (10 10):** The best driver assist in this segment bar none end of story. Is it perfect? Not even close. Is it the best money currently can buy? By far. I would be lying if I said I didn t miss my M3 on the drive up to San Francisco. But after grabbing a late dinner with friends and I drove back on the boring 101 at night I would be lying if I said I didn t wish my M3 had Auto Pilot. **Overall Impression:** I was impressed by the Model 3. It wasn t perfect but is definitely without a doubt one of the strongest entries in the crowded luxury sports sedan segment. It does have some unique issues but it also has the unmatched value proposition of the sportiest EV on the market (yes this car is a lot sportier than a P100D Model S). This may very well be my next daily driver if there is room in the budget for it along with a [718 GTS](http: st.automobilemag.com uploads sites 11 2017 12 2018-Porsche-718-Cayman-GTS-front-side-in-motion-01.jpg) :) The Model 3 is not a true sports car. It is not a real luxury car either. But for 99% of the people out there who can work an EV into their life it is a *very very VERY good* car. The Model 3 is probably not *the* best car in this segment but I also cannot say any competitor is clearly better. Tesla s first effort in this segment manages to trade blows evenly against the best. P.S. The 3 settings for the heated seats seemed to be... 1. Somewhat warm. 2. George Foreman. 3. [What this guy felt.](https: geekandsundry.com wp-content uploads 2015 03 gollum-lava.jpg) Feel free to ask any questions :) **EDIT:** I forgot to mention yes the rear window visibility was absolutely awful comparable to the new pillbox Camaro. But hey it s a *forward looking* company right? | Nice review I m surprised you didn t like the sound system I heard that it was much improved in the Model 3. | Thanks. The good thing is that the user interface on the screen can be upgraded. So over time it will improve. The UI on the Model S significantly improved after I got mine even if it was more refined already when I got it. | 182 | 12 | 2,199 |
85ajxa | 836 | A detailed review of Model 3 from a M3 owner. Context: I m currently a happy owner of an [F80 M3](https: i.imgur.com kplaltD.jpg) and over the years I ve owned a [F30 335i](https: i.imgur.com edTsvFR.jpg) and an E92 335i. I ve driven pretty much all the cars in this segment namely the BMW 3-series the C43 AMG the Audi S4 and S5 and the new Alfa Romeo Giulia. Well today I was able to borrow [this baby](https: imgur.com qFXj4Nq) and spent a day driving it on mountain roads within San Francisco and cruise it down 101. Here are my impressions. I m going to score individual categories relative to other competitors in this class so I won t be rating the Model 3 s cost against a Civic its luxury against a S class or its handling against a 911. **Drivetrain (9 10):** Modern ICE drivetrains are quite good especially in the premium sports sedan segment. Max torque reached at very low RPM from the new turbo engines silky smooth shift from the ZF-8 gearboxes and some of them even manage to sound good (i e C43 AMG). But the Model 3 beats pretty much all competitors in these categories (ok maybe not sound) with 0-30 performance that feels as fast as my M3. Instant max torque at 0 rpm and no gear shift makes this car a performance star around town especially in local driving. One point is deducted due to Model 3 s power torque falls off quite noticeably at around 55 mph and above. Still not slow by any means but do lag behind some of the competitors in this segment. **Steering (8 10):** The Model 3 has really direct steering that s quite nicely weighted (more so than the Model S) and even has a bit of that steering feedback many modern cars with electric racks lack. The ratio is not as stupidly quick as the Alfa Romeo Giulia (maybe a good thing) but felt very comparable to my last 335i. Two point being deducted for the steering weight doesn t increase in a predicable linear fashion as you keep turning. It does get heavier as turn-in increases but not as much as I d liked and it doesn t provide as much confidence near the limit as the best in this class. **Suspension Chassis (9.5 10):** Yep that s an almost perfect score and in my opinion as a sports sedan the Model 3 is among the cream of the crop in this already sporty segment. It manages to be supple *and* sharp at the same time and is able to offer some good feedback from the road without trying to set you up with your local chiropractor. It s obviously not as hardcore razor sharp as my M3 (and no it doesn t make the Giulia feel like wet sponge ) but it s extremely well balanced and reminds me of BMW s best days. Some people may find the ride a bit too harsh but I personally applaud Tesla for having the courage to make a sports sedan actually sporty instead of just making a land yacht with good acceleration. BMW maybe you should use some of those SUV profits to build actual Ultimate Driving Machines again. All of this is combined with the low center of gravity from the battery pack which resulted in probably the least amount of body roll in this segment. However it s not a perfect 10 because weight *can* be felt at higher cornering speed and it was obvious the car s tires are quite limiting factors. **Interior Quality Fit and Finish (5 10):** Before I talk about anything else I want to bring up the steering wheel or rather how ugly it is. The [Model S](https: images.hgmsites.net lrg 2013-tesla-model-s-4-door-sedan-steering-wheel_100466393_l.jpg) has a handsome and premium looking steering wheel my M3 has [real aluminum trim and contrast stitching leather](https: imgur.com a Tkqkx) and the Audi S4 has a steering wheel that resembles [that of a racecar](http: image.superstreetonline.com f 144382304+w+h+q80+re0+cr1+ar0+st0 2017-audi-s4-live-interior.jpg). Meanwhile the Model 3 s steering wheel looks like an [afterthought](https: i.imgur.com uzXoU7W.jpg) that Tesla engineers reluctantly put in last minute because they couldn t get Full Self Driving to work. Interior materials were decent. The wood trim felt premium but was marred by aluminum colored plastic around it. Most of the plastic were soft to touch and the synthetic leather felt ok as well. But this segment is extremely competitive and even [KIA](https: i.imgur.com tISHJNh.jpg) started using top end materials everywhere. Minimalism is a design choice that s subjective but material quality is an objective benchmark where the Model 3 is definitely falling short to the class leaders such as the [C class](http: www.mercedescla.org forum attachments 28929d1471300833-cla-interior-vs-c-class-mercedes-c-class-salooon-2014-door-panel-detail-frontseatdriver.co_.uk_.jpg). (Yes every piece there are real aluminum including the window switchers and the speaker grills are laser drilled aluminum as well.) I personally thought the $5000 price tag for the PUP is quite outrageous for what you get. For that money you d be buying into [BMW Individual Program interiors] (http: cdn.bmwblog.com wp-content uploads 2015 07 F80-M3-Individual.jpg). In comparison the full leather interior upgrade of my M3 was a mere $2k. On the other hand build quality was solid and the only rattling I thought I heard turned out to be the zipper of my jacket. Much better feel than the Model S from the earlier days. Also door pockets and rear cup holders man. **Technology User Interface (Exclude Auto Pilot) (2 10):** This was definitely by far the lowest point of my experience. The car was very bare bone as far as features go with no heated steering wheel no HUD no surround view camera and one of the worst sound system I ve heard from this segment (seriously mid-high range sound very flat and even distorted at higher volume). Then there is the center display which was responsive and high resolution by itself. But the problem was the interface itself was a complete mess. One cannot even adjust side mirrors without drilling down into the menus while driving. Bringing up the odometer of the car was a puzzle game by itself. The passenger couldn t open the glove compartment when I was trying to setup Bluetooth with my phone. Navigation itself was fine but the UI was dangerously unsafe since the turn-by-turn instruction was to the far right side of the screen with small fonts on top of an alpha overlay. Coming from [what I currently have](https: i.imgur.com vBjVrq8.jpg) it was just infuriating. And by the way [this happened twice](https: i.imgur.com chrYRpQ.jpg) to me on the short drive up to San Francisco. Once it happened when I was trying to get to the menu to adjust my side mirror. Thank Elon for Auto Pilot. Which brings us to... **Auto Pilot (10 10):** The best driver assist in this segment bar none end of story. Is it perfect? Not even close. Is it the best money currently can buy? By far. I would be lying if I said I didn t miss my M3 on the drive up to San Francisco. But after grabbing a late dinner with friends and I drove back on the boring 101 at night I would be lying if I said I didn t wish my M3 had Auto Pilot. **Overall Impression:** I was impressed by the Model 3. It wasn t perfect but is definitely without a doubt one of the strongest entries in the crowded luxury sports sedan segment. It does have some unique issues but it also has the unmatched value proposition of the sportiest EV on the market (yes this car is a lot sportier than a P100D Model S). This may very well be my next daily driver if there is room in the budget for it along with a [718 GTS](http: st.automobilemag.com uploads sites 11 2017 12 2018-Porsche-718-Cayman-GTS-front-side-in-motion-01.jpg) :) The Model 3 is not a true sports car. It is not a real luxury car either. But for 99% of the people out there who can work an EV into their life it is a *very very VERY good* car. The Model 3 is probably not *the* best car in this segment but I also cannot say any competitor is clearly better. Tesla s first effort in this segment manages to trade blows evenly against the best. P.S. The 3 settings for the heated seats seemed to be... 1. Somewhat warm. 2. George Foreman. 3. [What this guy felt.](https: geekandsundry.com wp-content uploads 2015 03 gollum-lava.jpg) Feel free to ask any questions :) **EDIT:** I forgot to mention yes the rear window visibility was absolutely awful comparable to the new pillbox Camaro. But hey it s a *forward looking* company right? | Nice review I m surprised you didn t like the sound system I heard that it was much improved in the Model 3. | Nice review I ve been waiting for someone who has experience driving cars in this segment for a while now. I think the model 3 is a good looking car but you were spot on with the steering wheel it s hideous. Anyways which car did you find more fun your old 335i or the model 3? | 182 | 74 | 2,200 |
85ehyw | 157 | AP 2018.10.4 Confirmed - ONLY uses wide angle camera and radar!! I just did an informal test today of the 2018.10.4 AP update by covering all the cameras except the rear camera and the front main camera (center) and observed in multiple tests that there was NO change to AP behavior we are all seeing in this update. So this establishes some potentially interesting theories: 1. The HD maps that are read dynamically by AP and discovered by verygreen on the TMC forums some time back must somehow be used by the updated NN to establish the better performance in curves we are seeing. Those maps showed braking and acceleration zones into and out of curves off ramps on ramps cloverleafs etc. 2. The NN + front camera are doing all the work of keeping the car in the lines even on curves (i.e. not using HD maps). 3. The other cameras will come on line when more features become live in the software (but are likely running in shadow mode) like reading speed limit signs traffic lights stop signs etc. 4. The other cameras will factor heavily in the edge cases that the lidar fanboys on this forum continue to point out (I.e. roundabouts construction zones sketchy roads roads without lines intersections etc.). All of these edge cases will likely require FSD and never be addressed in EAP. I am really hoping this means when we get the new 8.2 9.0 whatever the next major release is that we will get some major new features like sign reading and on-ramp off-ramp features!! EDIT: As several people have correctly pointed out the Main camera is NOT the wide angle camera. My BAD! EDIT2: Here s a guy that went in a totally different direction then I did with REALLY interesting results: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1_fSlUf_NXg | NNs don t use maps. NNs are used purely for vision detection only. All the control logic is outside of NNs. It looks like the other cameras are also used for light detection (i.e. to see when it s dark outside) | verygreen is u greentheonly | 57 | 31 | 2,201 |
85n0ys | 56 | [Discussion] How will Uber s self driving car killing someone affect Tesla s development to fully self driving? Uber pulled all of their self driving cars off the road (I assume temporarily) because of the accident. Apparently a lady was jay-walking at night and got hit and died. It s unclear at the moment if the accident was preventable or not. I assume this will set back Uber a ton in terms of collecting data (from pulling all their cars off the road) will probably lower their imminent IPO price and will receive massive backlash from a group of people. Is it possible that Tesla can benefit from this in any way or will this only set back the self driving industry as a whole? | I m shocked that a company as cautious and with such a long history of regulatory compliance and adherence as Uber would find themselves in this position. (facepalm) I m not sure this benefits Tesla or any other autonomous entity or hurts them.... InquisitorCOC is right - once the stats and testing show a improvement to overall human driving we should get legislative (and probably more importantly) insurance approvals and mechanisms to move forward. Until then we need a framework of testing that makes sense and a fairly high bar to reach before a company is permitted to run them in the wild. Every new technology has a curve in this case (safety transportation) there are going to be some hard lessons learned along the way. Any questions? google airbag development. Do airbags save lives? Absolutely. Did they kill or seriously injure quite a few people along the way? Yeah - a ton. We just never heard about them because we are conditioned to accept industrial accidents. Oh - the pressure sensor was faulty (here is your check) - oh the airbag was faulty ($) oh we needed sensors in the seats to keep them from killing kids? Our bad...ok fixed that one. Oh bad batch of airbags now ISNT deploying....on and on... Now you tell someone a robot killed their daughter? Thats going to have a VERY different emotional reaction from the family to the media to the legislature. In this sense I think its probably bad for the industry in general as its likely to put pressure to raise the bar potentially to a subjective level of safety above and beyond the objective (less than 1 fatality per 1m miles). We will get there. I d be thinking a dynamic test environment (pass fail on the NTSB test track city + a driving test (like a kid) and then proof of xxx amount of miles of simulated human supervised testing with a minimum disconnects and then a threshold of accidents that the company has to stay below each quarter then each year to ensure that minimum safety standards are met. If Uber really does have almost 2m miles driven without a fatality or a human having to take over then seemingly that is a pretty good bar (although they should strive for better). Pending what the robot saw and when they saw it.....if there is a fundamental flaw in how it sees (or doesn t) see pedestrians or bicyclists then that needs to be called out. All seems moot with a human at the wheel whoever was in the seat should have been paying attention. Personally I dont give a fuck if its a robot or a person I dont trust the average human as far as I can throw them to not run me over or adhere (or for that matter even KNOW) what the laws are in terms of my right of way as a pedestrian or a cyclist or a motorcyclist. All I know is Me vs. Vehicle regardless of who or what is driving that vehicle is a physics game I dont want to place any bets on. When I m in a box in the ground my family wont take any consolation that I was standing in a crosswalk or had the right of way. Heads on a swivel people..heads on a swivel. | Anyone know what kind of self driving technology hardware they re using? I m reading that Uber self driving has also been caught running redlights among other things what are the safety drivers doing in there? | 67 | 2 | 2,202 |
85n0ys | 56 | [Discussion] How will Uber s self driving car killing someone affect Tesla s development to fully self driving? Uber pulled all of their self driving cars off the road (I assume temporarily) because of the accident. Apparently a lady was jay-walking at night and got hit and died. It s unclear at the moment if the accident was preventable or not. I assume this will set back Uber a ton in terms of collecting data (from pulling all their cars off the road) will probably lower their imminent IPO price and will receive massive backlash from a group of people. Is it possible that Tesla can benefit from this in any way or will this only set back the self driving industry as a whole? | I m shocked that a company as cautious and with such a long history of regulatory compliance and adherence as Uber would find themselves in this position. (facepalm) I m not sure this benefits Tesla or any other autonomous entity or hurts them.... InquisitorCOC is right - once the stats and testing show a improvement to overall human driving we should get legislative (and probably more importantly) insurance approvals and mechanisms to move forward. Until then we need a framework of testing that makes sense and a fairly high bar to reach before a company is permitted to run them in the wild. Every new technology has a curve in this case (safety transportation) there are going to be some hard lessons learned along the way. Any questions? google airbag development. Do airbags save lives? Absolutely. Did they kill or seriously injure quite a few people along the way? Yeah - a ton. We just never heard about them because we are conditioned to accept industrial accidents. Oh - the pressure sensor was faulty (here is your check) - oh the airbag was faulty ($) oh we needed sensors in the seats to keep them from killing kids? Our bad...ok fixed that one. Oh bad batch of airbags now ISNT deploying....on and on... Now you tell someone a robot killed their daughter? Thats going to have a VERY different emotional reaction from the family to the media to the legislature. In this sense I think its probably bad for the industry in general as its likely to put pressure to raise the bar potentially to a subjective level of safety above and beyond the objective (less than 1 fatality per 1m miles). We will get there. I d be thinking a dynamic test environment (pass fail on the NTSB test track city + a driving test (like a kid) and then proof of xxx amount of miles of simulated human supervised testing with a minimum disconnects and then a threshold of accidents that the company has to stay below each quarter then each year to ensure that minimum safety standards are met. If Uber really does have almost 2m miles driven without a fatality or a human having to take over then seemingly that is a pretty good bar (although they should strive for better). Pending what the robot saw and when they saw it.....if there is a fundamental flaw in how it sees (or doesn t) see pedestrians or bicyclists then that needs to be called out. All seems moot with a human at the wheel whoever was in the seat should have been paying attention. Personally I dont give a fuck if its a robot or a person I dont trust the average human as far as I can throw them to not run me over or adhere (or for that matter even KNOW) what the laws are in terms of my right of way as a pedestrian or a cyclist or a motorcyclist. All I know is Me vs. Vehicle regardless of who or what is driving that vehicle is a physics game I dont want to place any bets on. When I m in a box in the ground my family wont take any consolation that I was standing in a crosswalk or had the right of way. Heads on a swivel people..heads on a swivel. | US stats show there is one fatal accident per 100 million miles driven. SDCs have to significantly beat that benchmark to gain general public s trust. Uber barely had 2 million and already killed someone. It shows that fully autonomous vehicles have a long long way to go. Cars without steering wheels can forget about quick regulatory approvals now. Tesla has been emphasizing for some time that AP is driver assist only and humans assume full legal responsibilities for their cars. | 67 | 4 | 2,203 |
85n0ys | 56 | [Discussion] How will Uber s self driving car killing someone affect Tesla s development to fully self driving? Uber pulled all of their self driving cars off the road (I assume temporarily) because of the accident. Apparently a lady was jay-walking at night and got hit and died. It s unclear at the moment if the accident was preventable or not. I assume this will set back Uber a ton in terms of collecting data (from pulling all their cars off the road) will probably lower their imminent IPO price and will receive massive backlash from a group of people. Is it possible that Tesla can benefit from this in any way or will this only set back the self driving industry as a whole? | I m shocked that a company as cautious and with such a long history of regulatory compliance and adherence as Uber would find themselves in this position. (facepalm) I m not sure this benefits Tesla or any other autonomous entity or hurts them.... InquisitorCOC is right - once the stats and testing show a improvement to overall human driving we should get legislative (and probably more importantly) insurance approvals and mechanisms to move forward. Until then we need a framework of testing that makes sense and a fairly high bar to reach before a company is permitted to run them in the wild. Every new technology has a curve in this case (safety transportation) there are going to be some hard lessons learned along the way. Any questions? google airbag development. Do airbags save lives? Absolutely. Did they kill or seriously injure quite a few people along the way? Yeah - a ton. We just never heard about them because we are conditioned to accept industrial accidents. Oh - the pressure sensor was faulty (here is your check) - oh the airbag was faulty ($) oh we needed sensors in the seats to keep them from killing kids? Our bad...ok fixed that one. Oh bad batch of airbags now ISNT deploying....on and on... Now you tell someone a robot killed their daughter? Thats going to have a VERY different emotional reaction from the family to the media to the legislature. In this sense I think its probably bad for the industry in general as its likely to put pressure to raise the bar potentially to a subjective level of safety above and beyond the objective (less than 1 fatality per 1m miles). We will get there. I d be thinking a dynamic test environment (pass fail on the NTSB test track city + a driving test (like a kid) and then proof of xxx amount of miles of simulated human supervised testing with a minimum disconnects and then a threshold of accidents that the company has to stay below each quarter then each year to ensure that minimum safety standards are met. If Uber really does have almost 2m miles driven without a fatality or a human having to take over then seemingly that is a pretty good bar (although they should strive for better). Pending what the robot saw and when they saw it.....if there is a fundamental flaw in how it sees (or doesn t) see pedestrians or bicyclists then that needs to be called out. All seems moot with a human at the wheel whoever was in the seat should have been paying attention. Personally I dont give a fuck if its a robot or a person I dont trust the average human as far as I can throw them to not run me over or adhere (or for that matter even KNOW) what the laws are in terms of my right of way as a pedestrian or a cyclist or a motorcyclist. All I know is Me vs. Vehicle regardless of who or what is driving that vehicle is a physics game I dont want to place any bets on. When I m in a box in the ground my family wont take any consolation that I was standing in a crosswalk or had the right of way. Heads on a swivel people..heads on a swivel. | it s coming no matter: https: www.reuters.com article us-toyota-selfdriving toyota-venture-to-spend-2-8-billion-to-develop-self-driving-technology-idUSKCN1GE0R1?il=0 | 67 | 4 | 2,204 |
85viem | 506 | PSA: Tesla iOS app update 3.3.3 with Siri can now control Model 3. My app just updated and I ve controlled my car using Siri. Make sure to enable use with Siri in the settings app under Tesla. The ones I have tried that works are: unlock my car lock my car flash the headlights and honk the horn. Car has 2018.4.9. Sorry if this was already a known functionality of the app for model 3. | Just confirmed that asking “how much charge is on my car” and “how many miles do I have on my car” will result in Siri letting you know the current charge percentage and range in miles. | This works with the Model S too. I ve just confirmed it. However we still cannot open the trunk remotely. But locking unlocking flash headlights and honking are functional. | 177 | 2 | 2,205 |
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