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7ngdxr | 23 | Tesla in the Canadian cold Canada is hit with some extreme cold weather in the last few weeks. How did your Tesla car hold up at temperatures lower than -20 C? | Actually here is what u footbag had to say on another thread. > I honestly can say my Tesla Model S is the best winter car I ve had. > Pros: > Never worry about it starting (regardless of it being plugged in). At our family Christmas get together 3 others couldn t start their car that day... Nice not having that worry! > Near instant heat - when it s -30 outside it s nice to have warm air blowing on you right when you get into the car > Ability to remotely heat car - not much different than remote start but coupled with the near instant heat it doesn t take long to warm the interior right up and even melt the windows. This can be done from anywhere as it doesn t rely on radio waves like most car starters. > Related to both above points a gas car is so inefficient at warning itself until you start driving. Not having to stand outside to fill with gas. My wife s gas car (until Model 3) ran out of fuel one time because she didn t want to deal with the elements and tried to push it to make it home. > Great AWD system - no mechanical pieces to get in the way slow things down > Even without AWD my local friends tell me their RWD Tesla s do great > Tesla specific: autopilot - works most of the winter and is so nice when traffic is backed up and slow due to an accident (put winter tires on people!) > Cons: > Range decrease - while the car isn t affected by wind chill our temps have gotten very cold regardless. At -30 I m losing about 40% of my range. I still have plenty for around town or to travel where Superchargers exist but doing road trips north or to rural Alberta would be a challenge right now. Tesla specific: the folding mirrors don t like our winters they get stuck very easily. > I don t hear other EV owners having any other complaints in this weather either (per Electric Vehicle association of Alberta) | Search for this . We have cold annually.... u footbag is from Alberta and has had a more positive experience with his Tesla than famkly in ICE s. | 29 | 3 | 1,906 |
7nh21m | 64 | [Discussion] Is anyone else concerned about overcrowding at supercharging stations? I took delivery of my first Tesla on Dec. 8th (Model S 75D). By far one of the best decisions I ve made. We decided to take the car on our annual road trip from our home in So. Cal. To Phoenix AZ. The drive over during the week was great. We drove back yesterday (New Years Eve) and both supercharging stations we stopped at were completely full with a line of cars waiting to charge (all Models S and X). With the upcoming influx of Model 3 s on the road I am nervous that this might be the norm moving forward. Is anyone else concerned? | I think this is only an issue in So. Cal during holidays. | nope. | 69 | 13 | 1,907 |
7nh7hy | 34 | [Discussion]Any one here on lower income getting a model 3? How much do you make? Just want to know if there are any other lower income like myself debating or going ahead with a model 3. I make 32000 euro a year but have been saving since the reveal. I know its not a good idea but its the only car I want:) | Check my flair. I make 42 000 a year. Hopefully going up to 52 54 next year. But at the end of the day as amazing as it is it s a car. And I have better uses for my money. I waited 5 years for the 3 I can wait another 2 for used ones to begin to hit the market. Hopefully the downward trajectory of prices with the upward trajectory of my income will allow it to happen. (And I ll probably need a new car around then though Currently in 2012 Civic with 55k miles. It ll be my luck that it will last another 10 years) | Unless you have the base amount of the car saved up already not the greatest idea. If you are deadset on getting it make a spread sheet of all of your expenses before and after financing the car. | 46 | 3 | 1,908 |
7nh7hy | 34 | [Discussion]Any one here on lower income getting a model 3? How much do you make? Just want to know if there are any other lower income like myself debating or going ahead with a model 3. I make 32000 euro a year but have been saving since the reveal. I know its not a good idea but its the only car I want:) | Check my flair. I make 42 000 a year. Hopefully going up to 52 54 next year. But at the end of the day as amazing as it is it s a car. And I have better uses for my money. I waited 5 years for the 3 I can wait another 2 for used ones to begin to hit the market. Hopefully the downward trajectory of prices with the upward trajectory of my income will allow it to happen. (And I ll probably need a new car around then though Currently in 2012 Civic with 55k miles. It ll be my luck that it will last another 10 years) | How does auto financing work in your country? What are your current rates? What about VAT how much does it add? | 46 | 6 | 1,909 |
7nh7hy | 34 | [Discussion]Any one here on lower income getting a model 3? How much do you make? Just want to know if there are any other lower income like myself debating or going ahead with a model 3. I make 32000 euro a year but have been saving since the reveal. I know its not a good idea but its the only car I want:) | I make $115k and my wife makes $90k. Model 3 will be a major stretch for us since we have a mortgage and 2 kids and live in the bay area. Back when I was single and made $45k yr out of college I was able to afford a brand new $35k Nissan 350Z but I had no expenses other than rent and food. Its all relative. | I realize you re in Europe but for those with moderate incomes in the US the $7 500 EV tax credit is non-refundable. So unless your federal tax liability less all other credits is at least $7 500 you will not get the full benefit of the credit. | 40 | 2 | 1,910 |
7nhg6q | 34 | [Discussion] Is AP2 getting better? Over the last month I think AP2 has been getting better. It holds a more stable position in lane. It has fewer oh shit! moments. When I commute home on the highway I hardly need to touch it. I m a little skeptical of Elon s AP happy talk but the product does feel better than 3-6 months ago. Thoughts? | Most of us agree that 2017.42 was a substantial upgrade in AP2 performance. There were modest improvements up to 2017.48 and 2017.50 is controversial (a fairly even split between people who think it s worse better or unchanged) Certainly compared to 3-6 months ago AP2 has made monumental progress especially since that era from Feb-August 2017 were so uneventful. | Obviously highly variable but for me it hasn t really improved in the last few releases | 33 | 4 | 1,911 |
7nw7t6 | 185 | Here s how Tesla did in 2017 on their commitment to double the SC network In 2017 Tesla made a big deal out of expanding their charging infrastructure. Their [Q1 Shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 5801341338x0x940721 8E9FC98F-343C-4D2E-8516-491DEFB9B69B TSLA_Q1_2017_Update_Letter.pdf) said: > In 2017 we expect to **at least double** the number of Superchargers and Destination Charging connectors globally to more than 10 000 and 15 000 respectively. The [Q2 Letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 5801341338x0x952053 F302D22F-FC9B-41A3-9534-60D0032673CC TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-2Q.pdf) said: > We are also continuing to expand our service capability and build out our Supercharger network to achieve our goal of **doubling the number** of connection points in 2017. In April 2017 a [Blog post](https: www.tesla.com blog charging-our-priority) titled Charging Is Our Priority said: > We started 2017 with over 5 000 Superchargers globally and by the end of this year Tesla **will double that number to total more than 10 000 Superchargers and 15 000 Destination Charging connectors around the world**. In North America we ll increase the number of Superchargers by 150 percent and in California alone we ll add more than 1 000 Superchargers. This message got lots of press. [1](http: www.businessinsider.com tesla-to-double-number-of-superchargers-2017-4) [2](http: fortune.com 2017 04 24 tesla-doubles-supercharger ) [3](https: newatlas.com tesla-double-supercharger 49182 ) [4](https: insideevs.com tesla-plans-double-number-u-s-superchargers-end-2017 ) [5](https: www.cnbc.com 2017 04 24 tesla-will-double-number-of-supercharger-stations-in-2017.html) [6](https: techcrunch.com 2017 04 24 tesla-to-double-its-supercharger-network-in-2017-topping-10k-chargers-globally ) [7](https: www.theverge.com 2017 4 24 15408040 tesla-supercharger-expansion-details-electric-car-charging-cities) [8] (https: www.theverge.com 2017 4 24 15408040 tesla-supercharger-expansion-details-electric-car-charging-cities) [9] (https: www.theverge.com 2017 2 22 14703712 tesla-supercharger-growth-model-usa-canada-mexico) [10] (https: www.investopedia.com news tesla-double-supercharger-network-year-tsla ) By their own blog post Tesla started 2017 with 5 400 SC stalls and 9 000 destination chargers so increasing to 10 000 and 15 000 isn t really doubling but we ll go with the 10 15 numbers. Now that the new year is here we can see how Tesla did. Per the Tesla website as of January 1st 2018 Tesla has: * 7 955 open stalls across 1 115 open Supercharger sites * 3 180 connections in the USA across 419 sites * 681 connections in California across 63 sites * 14 530 Destination connections in the world across 8196 sites Breaking down against their own promises: * **Double Superchargers to 10 000 - Missed by 41%** * NA Supercharger increase by 150% - NA increased by 25% in 2017 (372 sites to 494) * CA Supercharger increase by 1 000 - end of 2017 only had 681 total in CA much less increasing by 1 000 * Double Destination chargers to 15 000 - Missed by only 3% Other interesting Stats: * On October 12th 2016 370 sites were expected in 2017 and 608 in 2018. 104 of the 370 were opened. * As of Jan 1 2018 831 sites are expected in 2018 85 sites expected in 2019 or unknown. 413 of the 2018 sites are in the USA and 132 in China. * Of the 1 132 new connections in the last quarter 483 were in the USA and 104 were in China * At the beginning of Q3 the largest SC had 20 stalls. There are now 4 locations with more than 20 stalls. Tesla said Toward that goal Tesla will build larger sites along our busiest travel routes that will accommodate several dozen Teslas Supercharging simultaneously. * The average SC has 7.4 stalls. * 6 sites increased in number of stalls in the USA in Q3. All were in CA. * Tesla needs to double the number of SC sites in CA to meet the 1 000 stall goal. * There are 6 SC s in the world limited to 72 kW. 5 in the US and 1 in Canada. * Tesla s [Q3 letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 5801341338x0x962149 00F6EB90-2695-44E6-8C03-7EC4E06DF840 TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-3Q.pdf) completely walked away from the doubling target and said this about charging: > We added 126 new Supercharger stations in Q3 for a total of more than 1 000 stations and over 7 000 Supercharging connectors worldwide. Our network of destination chargers is even larger. At the end of the quarter there were 7 200 destination charger locations worldwide which increased the availability of destination charging for our customers by nearly 18% in one quarter. | Good analysis. Happy to see any movement but more and more would be better. They over-estimate their ability (either through fault of their own or local gov t). My only negative critique here is don t refer to these as *promises*. Good post. I d like to see how many stations against those numbers are at least at some stage of build - be it location chosen permitted under construction etc. I know you (none of us) aren t privy to that. It d just be interesting to chew on. | That s a lot of chargers. I d take a 40% miss on a huge target vs 100% hit on a target of 0 chargers by all other EV makers. | 59 | 7 | 1,912 |
7nw7t6 | 185 | Here s how Tesla did in 2017 on their commitment to double the SC network In 2017 Tesla made a big deal out of expanding their charging infrastructure. Their [Q1 Shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 5801341338x0x940721 8E9FC98F-343C-4D2E-8516-491DEFB9B69B TSLA_Q1_2017_Update_Letter.pdf) said: > In 2017 we expect to **at least double** the number of Superchargers and Destination Charging connectors globally to more than 10 000 and 15 000 respectively. The [Q2 Letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 5801341338x0x952053 F302D22F-FC9B-41A3-9534-60D0032673CC TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-2Q.pdf) said: > We are also continuing to expand our service capability and build out our Supercharger network to achieve our goal of **doubling the number** of connection points in 2017. In April 2017 a [Blog post](https: www.tesla.com blog charging-our-priority) titled Charging Is Our Priority said: > We started 2017 with over 5 000 Superchargers globally and by the end of this year Tesla **will double that number to total more than 10 000 Superchargers and 15 000 Destination Charging connectors around the world**. In North America we ll increase the number of Superchargers by 150 percent and in California alone we ll add more than 1 000 Superchargers. This message got lots of press. [1](http: www.businessinsider.com tesla-to-double-number-of-superchargers-2017-4) [2](http: fortune.com 2017 04 24 tesla-doubles-supercharger ) [3](https: newatlas.com tesla-double-supercharger 49182 ) [4](https: insideevs.com tesla-plans-double-number-u-s-superchargers-end-2017 ) [5](https: www.cnbc.com 2017 04 24 tesla-will-double-number-of-supercharger-stations-in-2017.html) [6](https: techcrunch.com 2017 04 24 tesla-to-double-its-supercharger-network-in-2017-topping-10k-chargers-globally ) [7](https: www.theverge.com 2017 4 24 15408040 tesla-supercharger-expansion-details-electric-car-charging-cities) [8] (https: www.theverge.com 2017 4 24 15408040 tesla-supercharger-expansion-details-electric-car-charging-cities) [9] (https: www.theverge.com 2017 2 22 14703712 tesla-supercharger-growth-model-usa-canada-mexico) [10] (https: www.investopedia.com news tesla-double-supercharger-network-year-tsla ) By their own blog post Tesla started 2017 with 5 400 SC stalls and 9 000 destination chargers so increasing to 10 000 and 15 000 isn t really doubling but we ll go with the 10 15 numbers. Now that the new year is here we can see how Tesla did. Per the Tesla website as of January 1st 2018 Tesla has: * 7 955 open stalls across 1 115 open Supercharger sites * 3 180 connections in the USA across 419 sites * 681 connections in California across 63 sites * 14 530 Destination connections in the world across 8196 sites Breaking down against their own promises: * **Double Superchargers to 10 000 - Missed by 41%** * NA Supercharger increase by 150% - NA increased by 25% in 2017 (372 sites to 494) * CA Supercharger increase by 1 000 - end of 2017 only had 681 total in CA much less increasing by 1 000 * Double Destination chargers to 15 000 - Missed by only 3% Other interesting Stats: * On October 12th 2016 370 sites were expected in 2017 and 608 in 2018. 104 of the 370 were opened. * As of Jan 1 2018 831 sites are expected in 2018 85 sites expected in 2019 or unknown. 413 of the 2018 sites are in the USA and 132 in China. * Of the 1 132 new connections in the last quarter 483 were in the USA and 104 were in China * At the beginning of Q3 the largest SC had 20 stalls. There are now 4 locations with more than 20 stalls. Tesla said Toward that goal Tesla will build larger sites along our busiest travel routes that will accommodate several dozen Teslas Supercharging simultaneously. * The average SC has 7.4 stalls. * 6 sites increased in number of stalls in the USA in Q3. All were in CA. * Tesla needs to double the number of SC sites in CA to meet the 1 000 stall goal. * There are 6 SC s in the world limited to 72 kW. 5 in the US and 1 in Canada. * Tesla s [Q3 letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 5801341338x0x962149 00F6EB90-2695-44E6-8C03-7EC4E06DF840 TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-3Q.pdf) completely walked away from the doubling target and said this about charging: > We added 126 new Supercharger stations in Q3 for a total of more than 1 000 stations and over 7 000 Supercharging connectors worldwide. Our network of destination chargers is even larger. At the end of the quarter there were 7 200 destination charger locations worldwide which increased the availability of destination charging for our customers by nearly 18% in one quarter. | Good analysis. Happy to see any movement but more and more would be better. They over-estimate their ability (either through fault of their own or local gov t). My only negative critique here is don t refer to these as *promises*. Good post. I d like to see how many stations against those numbers are at least at some stage of build - be it location chosen permitted under construction etc. I know you (none of us) aren t privy to that. It d just be interesting to chew on. | They should be more conservative in their announcements and estimates yes. When are you selling your car? | 59 | 11 | 1,913 |
7nx5mq | 113 | Model 3 First Impressions! Hey guys I m a normal Model 3 owner just picked up my car yesterday all upgrades except sports wheels (preferred longer range smoother drive and cheaper price) Car Pickup Pickup was SUPER smooth. Went into the delivery center was greeted nicely kids were given hot chocolate. After signing purchase papers waited a few more minutes until our rep came out and invited us to see the car. I noticed the next person up came in after me it seems like the appointments being given were no longer than 15 minutes apart. You guys already know all the features and stuff so I ll focus on things that I noticed. We own a Model S85D so I have that as a comparison point. It should be said however it s clearly not a Model S competitor and I m happy they did that. But the Model S is also overkill for many. THE PROS: Driving Experience - Everyone has said it feels great and I have to report that it DOES. It felt SUPER responsive and Ive been looking forward to having a quick car that isn t huge like the Model S. Driving it brought me back to the fun I had in my old Mini Cooper. I also really enjoyed the turning radius when I needed to make a U-turn that would have been impossible in Model S. The acceleration is MORE than ample. It may not jerk you off the line like the Model S but it feels quick and you get that instant torque feeling regardless of whether you are accelerating from stop or from motion. The driving experience is BY FAR the best part of the car (until autonomous driving:) ) The View - I love the wide open front windshield the world is beautifully framed I actually prefer it to both Model S and Model X. I also really like that they put normal sun-visors that are large enough to actually block the sun. Other than the rear visibility is great. The Screen - Like people have said it is actually much more in reach than it looks. It s also very responsive in comparison to the Model S. It is a bit difficult to reach the right side of it though. Most functions are easy to find but I have yet to find where I can see the energy tracking over the course of a trip? Interior Storage - The console in the front has plenty of storage although I miss the open center of the Model S this is much more functional. The Vents - I was super skeptical about this but I m now a believer. The climate control system worked great and the vent controls are super intuitive and actually much easier to use than even manual vents which are sometimes hard to face properly. The Lights!!! - I love the solid LED headlight and brake lights. Feels so much more modern just LOVE how they look. THE CONS: Navigation and directions - works generally well but I DEFINITELY miss having the map right in front of you as it is on Model S. Took me a while to get used to looking over for them. Also the turn by turn directions readout for some reason shows up on the RIGHT side of the screen instead of the left side (where all the pictures Ive seen show it). This made it extra hard to see what the next turn actually was since you have to look pretty far over. Rear view - I noticed this especially at night the rear window is small and so the view you get from the rear view mirror is quite limited. To the extent that you cannot see the headlights of the car behind you at night. Of course you can turn on the camera but then you lose your view of the map. It s not that important for me to see the car behind me though and it s nice to not have lights glaring in your eyes but it made me a bit uncomfortable. Key - I setup my phone to be my key but it s been spotty at best. Sometimes I come out to the car and it does nothing until I walk around a bit and then it sort of wakes up and unlocks. The key card is really a backup option. Also after getting groceries it was a bit annoying to have to use my phone to open the trunk frunk instead of using a keyfob. Perhaps this is offset by the benefit of no longer having to carry a keychain though! The charging indicator - I love with the glowing band around the charge port on the Model S. I m not a huge fan of the glowing Tesla logo and wish they had just stuck with their same port design. Auto-park - I tried to use it for parallel parking and the option didn t come up. Have they released this yet? SUMMARY I love the car and would say that it actually exceeded my expectations (which were HIGH!). I test drove a Bolt during the holidays and there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Model 3 makes the Bolt feel like an outdated eco-mobile. I m super excited for non-owners to start receiving their Model 3 s because its going to freaking blow their minds and the word of mouth is going to be insane as more people experience it. Happy to answer any questions you guys have! EDIT: Here s an old photo of the Model 3 UI I found: https: electrek.files.wordpress.com 2017 10 screen-shot-2017-10-18-at-4-13-42-pm-e1508357703211.jpg?quality=82& strip=all& w=1600 Notice the navigation directions are on the LEFT side of the map. I really don t get why they moved it maybe they decided it s more important to have a better view of the map than the actual directions. Either way seems like this could be improved somehow.. Aftermarket HUD? :) | > **It may not jerk you off** the line like the Model S That s it. Not buying it. | > Navigation and directions - works generally well but I DEFINITELY miss having the map right in front of you as it is on Model S. Took me a while to get used to looking over for them. Also the turn by turn directions readout for some reason shows up on the RIGHT side of the screen instead of the left side (where all the pictures Ive seen show it). This made it extra hard to see what the next turn actually was since you have to look pretty far over. I expect we ll see a few updates as Tesla decides on the ideal interface for this one-screen format. | 89 | 5 | 1,914 |
7nx5mq | 113 | Model 3 First Impressions! Hey guys I m a normal Model 3 owner just picked up my car yesterday all upgrades except sports wheels (preferred longer range smoother drive and cheaper price) Car Pickup Pickup was SUPER smooth. Went into the delivery center was greeted nicely kids were given hot chocolate. After signing purchase papers waited a few more minutes until our rep came out and invited us to see the car. I noticed the next person up came in after me it seems like the appointments being given were no longer than 15 minutes apart. You guys already know all the features and stuff so I ll focus on things that I noticed. We own a Model S85D so I have that as a comparison point. It should be said however it s clearly not a Model S competitor and I m happy they did that. But the Model S is also overkill for many. THE PROS: Driving Experience - Everyone has said it feels great and I have to report that it DOES. It felt SUPER responsive and Ive been looking forward to having a quick car that isn t huge like the Model S. Driving it brought me back to the fun I had in my old Mini Cooper. I also really enjoyed the turning radius when I needed to make a U-turn that would have been impossible in Model S. The acceleration is MORE than ample. It may not jerk you off the line like the Model S but it feels quick and you get that instant torque feeling regardless of whether you are accelerating from stop or from motion. The driving experience is BY FAR the best part of the car (until autonomous driving:) ) The View - I love the wide open front windshield the world is beautifully framed I actually prefer it to both Model S and Model X. I also really like that they put normal sun-visors that are large enough to actually block the sun. Other than the rear visibility is great. The Screen - Like people have said it is actually much more in reach than it looks. It s also very responsive in comparison to the Model S. It is a bit difficult to reach the right side of it though. Most functions are easy to find but I have yet to find where I can see the energy tracking over the course of a trip? Interior Storage - The console in the front has plenty of storage although I miss the open center of the Model S this is much more functional. The Vents - I was super skeptical about this but I m now a believer. The climate control system worked great and the vent controls are super intuitive and actually much easier to use than even manual vents which are sometimes hard to face properly. The Lights!!! - I love the solid LED headlight and brake lights. Feels so much more modern just LOVE how they look. THE CONS: Navigation and directions - works generally well but I DEFINITELY miss having the map right in front of you as it is on Model S. Took me a while to get used to looking over for them. Also the turn by turn directions readout for some reason shows up on the RIGHT side of the screen instead of the left side (where all the pictures Ive seen show it). This made it extra hard to see what the next turn actually was since you have to look pretty far over. Rear view - I noticed this especially at night the rear window is small and so the view you get from the rear view mirror is quite limited. To the extent that you cannot see the headlights of the car behind you at night. Of course you can turn on the camera but then you lose your view of the map. It s not that important for me to see the car behind me though and it s nice to not have lights glaring in your eyes but it made me a bit uncomfortable. Key - I setup my phone to be my key but it s been spotty at best. Sometimes I come out to the car and it does nothing until I walk around a bit and then it sort of wakes up and unlocks. The key card is really a backup option. Also after getting groceries it was a bit annoying to have to use my phone to open the trunk frunk instead of using a keyfob. Perhaps this is offset by the benefit of no longer having to carry a keychain though! The charging indicator - I love with the glowing band around the charge port on the Model S. I m not a huge fan of the glowing Tesla logo and wish they had just stuck with their same port design. Auto-park - I tried to use it for parallel parking and the option didn t come up. Have they released this yet? SUMMARY I love the car and would say that it actually exceeded my expectations (which were HIGH!). I test drove a Bolt during the holidays and there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Model 3 makes the Bolt feel like an outdated eco-mobile. I m super excited for non-owners to start receiving their Model 3 s because its going to freaking blow their minds and the word of mouth is going to be insane as more people experience it. Happy to answer any questions you guys have! EDIT: Here s an old photo of the Model 3 UI I found: https: electrek.files.wordpress.com 2017 10 screen-shot-2017-10-18-at-4-13-42-pm-e1508357703211.jpg?quality=82& strip=all& w=1600 Notice the navigation directions are on the LEFT side of the map. I really don t get why they moved it maybe they decided it s more important to have a better view of the map than the actual directions. Either way seems like this could be improved somehow.. Aftermarket HUD? :) | > **It may not jerk you off** the line like the Model S That s it. Not buying it. | Test drove a Model S last week and one of our takeaways was what you mentioned in regards to needing to choose between navigation and rear camera in the Model 3. I wonder if a future software update will allow the Model 3 to have a split screen like the S does now. I had a Pontiac G6 for abut 6 months and hated the lack of visibility out the back. Regarding the lack of key fob. Does the trunk unlock as you approach? It s my understanding it s a manual trunk so as long as it auto-unlocks as your phone approaches the lack of fob shouldn t matter. | 89 | 5 | 1,915 |
7nx5mq | 113 | Model 3 First Impressions! Hey guys I m a normal Model 3 owner just picked up my car yesterday all upgrades except sports wheels (preferred longer range smoother drive and cheaper price) Car Pickup Pickup was SUPER smooth. Went into the delivery center was greeted nicely kids were given hot chocolate. After signing purchase papers waited a few more minutes until our rep came out and invited us to see the car. I noticed the next person up came in after me it seems like the appointments being given were no longer than 15 minutes apart. You guys already know all the features and stuff so I ll focus on things that I noticed. We own a Model S85D so I have that as a comparison point. It should be said however it s clearly not a Model S competitor and I m happy they did that. But the Model S is also overkill for many. THE PROS: Driving Experience - Everyone has said it feels great and I have to report that it DOES. It felt SUPER responsive and Ive been looking forward to having a quick car that isn t huge like the Model S. Driving it brought me back to the fun I had in my old Mini Cooper. I also really enjoyed the turning radius when I needed to make a U-turn that would have been impossible in Model S. The acceleration is MORE than ample. It may not jerk you off the line like the Model S but it feels quick and you get that instant torque feeling regardless of whether you are accelerating from stop or from motion. The driving experience is BY FAR the best part of the car (until autonomous driving:) ) The View - I love the wide open front windshield the world is beautifully framed I actually prefer it to both Model S and Model X. I also really like that they put normal sun-visors that are large enough to actually block the sun. Other than the rear visibility is great. The Screen - Like people have said it is actually much more in reach than it looks. It s also very responsive in comparison to the Model S. It is a bit difficult to reach the right side of it though. Most functions are easy to find but I have yet to find where I can see the energy tracking over the course of a trip? Interior Storage - The console in the front has plenty of storage although I miss the open center of the Model S this is much more functional. The Vents - I was super skeptical about this but I m now a believer. The climate control system worked great and the vent controls are super intuitive and actually much easier to use than even manual vents which are sometimes hard to face properly. The Lights!!! - I love the solid LED headlight and brake lights. Feels so much more modern just LOVE how they look. THE CONS: Navigation and directions - works generally well but I DEFINITELY miss having the map right in front of you as it is on Model S. Took me a while to get used to looking over for them. Also the turn by turn directions readout for some reason shows up on the RIGHT side of the screen instead of the left side (where all the pictures Ive seen show it). This made it extra hard to see what the next turn actually was since you have to look pretty far over. Rear view - I noticed this especially at night the rear window is small and so the view you get from the rear view mirror is quite limited. To the extent that you cannot see the headlights of the car behind you at night. Of course you can turn on the camera but then you lose your view of the map. It s not that important for me to see the car behind me though and it s nice to not have lights glaring in your eyes but it made me a bit uncomfortable. Key - I setup my phone to be my key but it s been spotty at best. Sometimes I come out to the car and it does nothing until I walk around a bit and then it sort of wakes up and unlocks. The key card is really a backup option. Also after getting groceries it was a bit annoying to have to use my phone to open the trunk frunk instead of using a keyfob. Perhaps this is offset by the benefit of no longer having to carry a keychain though! The charging indicator - I love with the glowing band around the charge port on the Model S. I m not a huge fan of the glowing Tesla logo and wish they had just stuck with their same port design. Auto-park - I tried to use it for parallel parking and the option didn t come up. Have they released this yet? SUMMARY I love the car and would say that it actually exceeded my expectations (which were HIGH!). I test drove a Bolt during the holidays and there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever. Model 3 makes the Bolt feel like an outdated eco-mobile. I m super excited for non-owners to start receiving their Model 3 s because its going to freaking blow their minds and the word of mouth is going to be insane as more people experience it. Happy to answer any questions you guys have! EDIT: Here s an old photo of the Model 3 UI I found: https: electrek.files.wordpress.com 2017 10 screen-shot-2017-10-18-at-4-13-42-pm-e1508357703211.jpg?quality=82& strip=all& w=1600 Notice the navigation directions are on the LEFT side of the map. I really don t get why they moved it maybe they decided it s more important to have a better view of the map than the actual directions. Either way seems like this could be improved somehow.. Aftermarket HUD? :) | > **It may not jerk you off** the line like the Model S That s it. Not buying it. | One question I haven t seen addressed yet....so aside from that vent is there air that blows down on your feet the way all normal cars do? In the winter I use that function quite a bit those dress slacks and socks are cold in the morning! | 89 | 14 | 1,916 |
7o5ikv | 116 | Took delivery of my Model 3 yesterday - Day 2 Review **The Good:** * First off the car is RAD. I m really loving it. A family member has a Model S 75 so I m familiar with that ride and experience. * Steering is great. Ride is great. Acceleration is great. SUPER fun to drive. Can be zippy and sporty but also super calm and relaxing. * Great view from the front. Great visibility. * Roomy. Back seats are comfy. Seats feel very nice. * I was on the fence about a single iPad Pro for all data - but it s not an issue. I m still searching on the dash for my blinker signals though. Old habits... * Sound system is GREAT. * Fittings and interior gaps concern - NON ISSUE (I m pretty particular... but not that particular. YMMV) * The air vent system is super cool. Basically it s one vent along the dash. You use drag a pointer to direct air on the touchscreen. * Glass canopy is awesome. * Adjusting mirrors and wheel electronically with the scroll wheels is a pretty cool fun feature **Quirks Less than ideal:** * Generally your smartphone is your key. It s a little annoying when I walk in the garage to futz with sprinklers or something and the car unlocks mirrors unfold etc * Manual closing on the front and rear hatch. Takes some effort. * Front trunk is pretty small expected more space. * Rolling the steering wheel button to increase stereo volume doesn t feel as responsive as it should. Feels like a future software fix. * Second scroll on the steering wheel should control temp or some other function...but doesn t * Charge port lid is cool and high tech feeling when it opens closes... but also a little flimsy. * Autopilot is cool but scary! On the freeway it sometimes rides the lines... Feels like it s at 80% and needs more tuning. Can t wait for summon and the future software releases. (ed I assumed it had recognition for stop signs but it doesn t) * Fisheye reverse is cool and clear but doesn t give me the best sense of how close far something is because of the lens distortion. Need to get used to it. Resolution could be better. * I would love to see Tesla pioneer some newfangled HUD tech in the future. * Tesla quoted me the wrong amount - the price was $157 more because CA increased their DMV reg fee on Jan 1. But they don t accept credit card or cash no matter what. So that was a little bit of a pain. Had to ACH the extra amount to take delivery. Any other questions I d be happy to answer. [Pic](https: i.imgur.com PzLoWMB.jpg) | > Generally your smartphone is your key. It s a little annoying when I walk in the garage to futz with sprinklers or something and the car unlocks mirrors unfold etc I ll try to find where I read it but it was either another thread here or on TMC but a Model 3 owner was commenting about this as well. He said he disabled walk-up unlock so the mirrors would not extend when he was moving around in the vicinity but the car still unlocks when you use the door handle to open the door and when you have a paired smartphone on your person. EDIT: I think [this is what I was thinking of](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-3-removes-from-my-tesla-app.105246 #post-2487304). Check the post that it s replying to as well. | Autopilot is not suppose to recognize stop signs or stop lights at all. | 53 | 4 | 1,917 |
7o5ikv | 116 | Took delivery of my Model 3 yesterday - Day 2 Review **The Good:** * First off the car is RAD. I m really loving it. A family member has a Model S 75 so I m familiar with that ride and experience. * Steering is great. Ride is great. Acceleration is great. SUPER fun to drive. Can be zippy and sporty but also super calm and relaxing. * Great view from the front. Great visibility. * Roomy. Back seats are comfy. Seats feel very nice. * I was on the fence about a single iPad Pro for all data - but it s not an issue. I m still searching on the dash for my blinker signals though. Old habits... * Sound system is GREAT. * Fittings and interior gaps concern - NON ISSUE (I m pretty particular... but not that particular. YMMV) * The air vent system is super cool. Basically it s one vent along the dash. You use drag a pointer to direct air on the touchscreen. * Glass canopy is awesome. * Adjusting mirrors and wheel electronically with the scroll wheels is a pretty cool fun feature **Quirks Less than ideal:** * Generally your smartphone is your key. It s a little annoying when I walk in the garage to futz with sprinklers or something and the car unlocks mirrors unfold etc * Manual closing on the front and rear hatch. Takes some effort. * Front trunk is pretty small expected more space. * Rolling the steering wheel button to increase stereo volume doesn t feel as responsive as it should. Feels like a future software fix. * Second scroll on the steering wheel should control temp or some other function...but doesn t * Charge port lid is cool and high tech feeling when it opens closes... but also a little flimsy. * Autopilot is cool but scary! On the freeway it sometimes rides the lines... Feels like it s at 80% and needs more tuning. Can t wait for summon and the future software releases. (ed I assumed it had recognition for stop signs but it doesn t) * Fisheye reverse is cool and clear but doesn t give me the best sense of how close far something is because of the lens distortion. Need to get used to it. Resolution could be better. * I would love to see Tesla pioneer some newfangled HUD tech in the future. * Tesla quoted me the wrong amount - the price was $157 more because CA increased their DMV reg fee on Jan 1. But they don t accept credit card or cash no matter what. So that was a little bit of a pain. Had to ACH the extra amount to take delivery. Any other questions I d be happy to answer. [Pic](https: i.imgur.com PzLoWMB.jpg) | > Generally your smartphone is your key. It s a little annoying when I walk in the garage to futz with sprinklers or something and the car unlocks mirrors unfold etc I ll try to find where I read it but it was either another thread here or on TMC but a Model 3 owner was commenting about this as well. He said he disabled walk-up unlock so the mirrors would not extend when he was moving around in the vicinity but the car still unlocks when you use the door handle to open the door and when you have a paired smartphone on your person. EDIT: I think [this is what I was thinking of](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-3-removes-from-my-tesla-app.105246 #post-2487304). Check the post that it s replying to as well. | > It [Autopilot] doesn t seem to recognize stop signs. AHHH! READ THE DIRECTIONS!!! | 53 | 9 | 1,918 |
7o6o4t | 1,387 | Model 3 line now producing 50% more cars per day than the Chevy Bolt line. I am frustrated by the slow Model 3 ramp and seeing the goal posts pushed back quarter after quarter but to keep things in perspective consider that GM sold around 23 000 Bolt EVs last year. If Tesla is only making 100 Model 3 s per day that still 50% more than the number of Bolts GM makes per day. If Tesla hits 2500 per week in Q1 that s 5x as many as the Bolt and 30% more than Model S X together. | The bolt is produced on the same exact line in GM s Lake Orion assembly plant as the Chevy Sonic there will literally be three sonics then two bolts then a sonic etc. So the chevy bolt line produced about 60k cars in total in 2017. you re also forgetting the Bolt was sold in Canada for the last few mos of 2017. The total capacity of that line is 90k cars a year and GM is on record as saying they have capacity to build what the market demands specifically saying 50k bolts a year wouldn t be a problem at all when asked. They recently shifted production from a 3:1 Sonic balance to 1:1 sonic bolt. | Also it s quite interesting to compare Tesla s current (!) production capabilities of the different models: The first Model 3 was produced at the beginning of July 2017 and Tesla arrived at a rate of 1 000 cars week in less than 6 months. Model S production started 5 years earlier but 15 200 deliveries equal only about 1 170 cars week Model X production started September 2015 and 13 120 deliveries equal roughly 1 010 cars week. So the current Model 3 production capacity seems to be around the capacity of the two other but much older models. (These seem demand constraint not primarily production constraint like Model 3.) | 192 | 10 | 1,919 |
7o6o4t | 1,387 | Model 3 line now producing 50% more cars per day than the Chevy Bolt line. I am frustrated by the slow Model 3 ramp and seeing the goal posts pushed back quarter after quarter but to keep things in perspective consider that GM sold around 23 000 Bolt EVs last year. If Tesla is only making 100 Model 3 s per day that still 50% more than the number of Bolts GM makes per day. If Tesla hits 2500 per week in Q1 that s 5x as many as the Bolt and 30% more than Model S X together. | Just so you guys know as a maintenance technician for the model 3 line there are tons of people that just gave up their Christmas and New Years with their families to help meet the demand for this car! | I would note that the Q4 deliveries press release said that they operated the line at a rate of just over 1 000 cars week in the final days of last year. If they run the line 7 days week that s ~ 150 cars day. If they run the line 5 days week that s 200 cars day. So based on inferred Bolt production rate Tesla already doing better ( inferred b c I ve never heard GM comment on their production rate only monthly sales figures. Have they stopped idling the Bolt plant yet?). | 135 | 2 | 1,920 |
7o6o4t | 1,387 | Model 3 line now producing 50% more cars per day than the Chevy Bolt line. I am frustrated by the slow Model 3 ramp and seeing the goal posts pushed back quarter after quarter but to keep things in perspective consider that GM sold around 23 000 Bolt EVs last year. If Tesla is only making 100 Model 3 s per day that still 50% more than the number of Bolts GM makes per day. If Tesla hits 2500 per week in Q1 that s 5x as many as the Bolt and 30% more than Model S X together. | Just so you guys know as a maintenance technician for the model 3 line there are tons of people that just gave up their Christmas and New Years with their families to help meet the demand for this car! | Am I misreading you? Are you comparing units sold (GM) with units made? Is every Bolt that comes off the line spoken for? If that s the case then it s a fair comparison but if not... | 135 | 3 | 1,921 |
7occxs | 246 | Not a pleasant introduction to Tesla ownership I purchased a CPO Model S 3 weeks ago. Drove it to VA and back and it was amazing. I love the car. But then we got hit with a lot of cold weather here.... on the 31st I received a low coolant error while about a mile from home. I got home put the car in its spot and plugged it in. My local service center was closed so I left a voicemail. The next morning I noted a puddle of blue coolant in the driveway and the battery had not charged overnight. At that point I called Roadside Assistance since I m smart enough to know those 2 symptoms together mean I shouldn t drive it. Since it was New Years Day we scheduled pickup for 10am on the 2nd. The guy showed up on time and was courteous and pleasant. And then everything went downhill. While in the Watertown MA Service Center it was determined that I needed a new Drive Unit. HOW? The car passed the rigid CPO process 3 weeks ago. So it sat Tuesday while they sourced the part. They had it sourced by late afternoon Tuesday. And then.........nothing. Thanks to Tesla technology I can tell you within 3 meters accuracy that my car has not moved from its parking spot since Tuesday morning. When I ve called (oh....I ve called them...not once have they reached out to me) the guy behind the counter assured me they were working on it......today when I called I decided to get a little pushy. The car now won t be ready until MONDAY (even though they re open until 6 tonight and another 4 hours tomorrow) and only today was I offered a loaner. And the loaner? a F---N Nissan Maxima. Are you F-ing kidding me? The guy on the phone seemed absolutely flabbergasted that anyone would challenge him. But I ve been given the runaround blatantly lied to about my car for the last 4 days with not even the hint of oh hey we could give you a loaner .....and you know it s about 5 degrees outside right now. So for all of you Tesla Veterans......is there a magical phrase to get things done when you call? Is there a way to escalate and expedite this process or am I just human garbage because my Tesla is used? Any assistance here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! p.s. As a shareholder I RRRREEAAALLLLYYYY hope they turn this around before the affordable trim level 3 s get out there. EDIT: As of 5:10pm ET 1 5. I escalated quietly through a few back-channels and lo and behold my local Service Center just called me. And this time I got an ACTUAL explanation. Turns out the low coolant alert WAS related to the Drive Unit as the leak was within the Drive Unit necessitating its replacement. All of that would have been immensely helpful information to have 72 hours ago. While I m not upset about the repair being necessary the communication surrounding it could have been VASTLY improved. Why hold the most important piece of information back for 72 hours? Seems odd. I m in a better mood about it now but it doesn t excuse the poor communication. I ll gladly talk to a Tesla rep to help them improve. I actually did corporate communications as part of my job description for a few years. Maybe they re hiring. -) | I m upvoting this post because I believe in Tesla and in their ability for excellent customer service. We need to work together to improve things. Silencing legitimate complaints will only make things worse. OP I hope your issues are fixed in a proper manner soon. | Probably just depends on the service center sadly. I m sure you can give a bad review to that particular service center and maybe they ll change management? Sounds rough. | 141 | 2 | 1,922 |
7occxs | 246 | Not a pleasant introduction to Tesla ownership I purchased a CPO Model S 3 weeks ago. Drove it to VA and back and it was amazing. I love the car. But then we got hit with a lot of cold weather here.... on the 31st I received a low coolant error while about a mile from home. I got home put the car in its spot and plugged it in. My local service center was closed so I left a voicemail. The next morning I noted a puddle of blue coolant in the driveway and the battery had not charged overnight. At that point I called Roadside Assistance since I m smart enough to know those 2 symptoms together mean I shouldn t drive it. Since it was New Years Day we scheduled pickup for 10am on the 2nd. The guy showed up on time and was courteous and pleasant. And then everything went downhill. While in the Watertown MA Service Center it was determined that I needed a new Drive Unit. HOW? The car passed the rigid CPO process 3 weeks ago. So it sat Tuesday while they sourced the part. They had it sourced by late afternoon Tuesday. And then.........nothing. Thanks to Tesla technology I can tell you within 3 meters accuracy that my car has not moved from its parking spot since Tuesday morning. When I ve called (oh....I ve called them...not once have they reached out to me) the guy behind the counter assured me they were working on it......today when I called I decided to get a little pushy. The car now won t be ready until MONDAY (even though they re open until 6 tonight and another 4 hours tomorrow) and only today was I offered a loaner. And the loaner? a F---N Nissan Maxima. Are you F-ing kidding me? The guy on the phone seemed absolutely flabbergasted that anyone would challenge him. But I ve been given the runaround blatantly lied to about my car for the last 4 days with not even the hint of oh hey we could give you a loaner .....and you know it s about 5 degrees outside right now. So for all of you Tesla Veterans......is there a magical phrase to get things done when you call? Is there a way to escalate and expedite this process or am I just human garbage because my Tesla is used? Any assistance here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! p.s. As a shareholder I RRRREEAAALLLLYYYY hope they turn this around before the affordable trim level 3 s get out there. EDIT: As of 5:10pm ET 1 5. I escalated quietly through a few back-channels and lo and behold my local Service Center just called me. And this time I got an ACTUAL explanation. Turns out the low coolant alert WAS related to the Drive Unit as the leak was within the Drive Unit necessitating its replacement. All of that would have been immensely helpful information to have 72 hours ago. While I m not upset about the repair being necessary the communication surrounding it could have been VASTLY improved. Why hold the most important piece of information back for 72 hours? Seems odd. I m in a better mood about it now but it doesn t excuse the poor communication. I ll gladly talk to a Tesla rep to help them improve. I actually did corporate communications as part of my job description for a few years. Maybe they re hiring. -) | I m upvoting this post because I believe in Tesla and in their ability for excellent customer service. We need to work together to improve things. Silencing legitimate complaints will only make things worse. OP I hope your issues are fixed in a proper manner soon. | I d McNeill this thing. @JonMc on Tesla Motors Club | 141 | 2 | 1,923 |
7occxs | 246 | Not a pleasant introduction to Tesla ownership I purchased a CPO Model S 3 weeks ago. Drove it to VA and back and it was amazing. I love the car. But then we got hit with a lot of cold weather here.... on the 31st I received a low coolant error while about a mile from home. I got home put the car in its spot and plugged it in. My local service center was closed so I left a voicemail. The next morning I noted a puddle of blue coolant in the driveway and the battery had not charged overnight. At that point I called Roadside Assistance since I m smart enough to know those 2 symptoms together mean I shouldn t drive it. Since it was New Years Day we scheduled pickup for 10am on the 2nd. The guy showed up on time and was courteous and pleasant. And then everything went downhill. While in the Watertown MA Service Center it was determined that I needed a new Drive Unit. HOW? The car passed the rigid CPO process 3 weeks ago. So it sat Tuesday while they sourced the part. They had it sourced by late afternoon Tuesday. And then.........nothing. Thanks to Tesla technology I can tell you within 3 meters accuracy that my car has not moved from its parking spot since Tuesday morning. When I ve called (oh....I ve called them...not once have they reached out to me) the guy behind the counter assured me they were working on it......today when I called I decided to get a little pushy. The car now won t be ready until MONDAY (even though they re open until 6 tonight and another 4 hours tomorrow) and only today was I offered a loaner. And the loaner? a F---N Nissan Maxima. Are you F-ing kidding me? The guy on the phone seemed absolutely flabbergasted that anyone would challenge him. But I ve been given the runaround blatantly lied to about my car for the last 4 days with not even the hint of oh hey we could give you a loaner .....and you know it s about 5 degrees outside right now. So for all of you Tesla Veterans......is there a magical phrase to get things done when you call? Is there a way to escalate and expedite this process or am I just human garbage because my Tesla is used? Any assistance here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! p.s. As a shareholder I RRRREEAAALLLLYYYY hope they turn this around before the affordable trim level 3 s get out there. EDIT: As of 5:10pm ET 1 5. I escalated quietly through a few back-channels and lo and behold my local Service Center just called me. And this time I got an ACTUAL explanation. Turns out the low coolant alert WAS related to the Drive Unit as the leak was within the Drive Unit necessitating its replacement. All of that would have been immensely helpful information to have 72 hours ago. While I m not upset about the repair being necessary the communication surrounding it could have been VASTLY improved. Why hold the most important piece of information back for 72 hours? Seems odd. I m in a better mood about it now but it doesn t excuse the poor communication. I ll gladly talk to a Tesla rep to help them improve. I actually did corporate communications as part of my job description for a few years. Maybe they re hiring. -) | I m upvoting this post because I believe in Tesla and in their ability for excellent customer service. We need to work together to improve things. Silencing legitimate complaints will only make things worse. OP I hope your issues are fixed in a proper manner soon. | This is really frustrating clearly Tesla still has some work to do on training for front-line customer service. But I will say that experience can vary widely because some people are just not as good at their jobs. When I was a BMW owner my experience at the same exact location was very different every time I brought the car in. One lady was a total asshole one guy treated me like I was lucky to be allowed to own a BMW product and several people were insanely friendly and helpful. I also experienced wide variance in turnaround time to get my problems resolved. Don t get me wrong these anecdotes don t change the fact that we should hold Tesla to a high standard and I think you should report your experience to them. They need to set a much higher standard. | 141 | 4 | 1,924 |
7oegqm | 89 | PSA AWD helps you go uphill but not down. Please learn from my stupidity. Its going to be 3 weeks until my car can even be looked at because shops are so busy. Snow tires might have saved the day here. I was on the Goodyear All Season tires with foam in them. https: youtu.be VVTLylqvaa8 | And this is 100% the reason I say people need Snow Tires for snow. All seasons are not for snow at all. AWD helps you get going however all vehicles (in theory) are all wheel brake. | I got Auto Socks for our RWD MS after the recent snow in Atlanta. Slid going up and going down on my commute from work. | 75 | 3 | 1,925 |
7oegqm | 89 | PSA AWD helps you go uphill but not down. Please learn from my stupidity. Its going to be 3 weeks until my car can even be looked at because shops are so busy. Snow tires might have saved the day here. I was on the Goodyear All Season tires with foam in them. https: youtu.be VVTLylqvaa8 | And this is 100% the reason I say people need Snow Tires for snow. All seasons are not for snow at all. AWD helps you get going however all vehicles (in theory) are all wheel brake. | PSA - AWD does nothing to help with deceleration uphill downhill nor flat. | 75 | 17 | 1,926 |
7oegqm | 89 | PSA AWD helps you go uphill but not down. Please learn from my stupidity. Its going to be 3 weeks until my car can even be looked at because shops are so busy. Snow tires might have saved the day here. I was on the Goodyear All Season tires with foam in them. https: youtu.be VVTLylqvaa8 | And this is 100% the reason I say people need Snow Tires for snow. All seasons are not for snow at all. AWD helps you get going however all vehicles (in theory) are all wheel brake. | Why were you going so fast? | 75 | 20 | 1,927 |
7oxvr8 | 92 | Why do competitors of Tesla always make such over the top cars https: www.youtube.com watch?v=HJ3l5V-7a3g Byton just presented their new EV at CES. it s another ridiculous car concept with dumb features (a sort of faraday future 2.0). Why can t they just start with a modest EV that focuses on being a good car and build from there? Just like Tesla tried to do with the roadster. Edit: Spelling | I agree with you 100%. Best (or worst) of all is that 99 9% of these Tesla killers or smartphones on wheels or whatevers never actually go on sale. I don t know if they are just ways for the founders to make a quick buck by raising funding or what. It s funny to think that Model S has been on sale for almost SIX YEARS and there s still basically no competition for Tesla at all. Sure there s other electric cars but technically and feature wise they are a lot behind Tesla and I m also actually struggling to think of another EV that s actually designed to be fully electric from the ground up. Not a mod from the original car like e-Golf or something. Tesla has really proved that the concept does work and people actually interested in electric cars if it is a decent car and not something like REVAi G-Wiz. | Honestly it s pretty based. People from Germany design the hardware and it s software is written in Silicon Valley. Also it s lead by an ex BMW manager and gets funding from Tencent and Foxconn. | 70 | 4 | 1,928 |
7oxvr8 | 92 | Why do competitors of Tesla always make such over the top cars https: www.youtube.com watch?v=HJ3l5V-7a3g Byton just presented their new EV at CES. it s another ridiculous car concept with dumb features (a sort of faraday future 2.0). Why can t they just start with a modest EV that focuses on being a good car and build from there? Just like Tesla tried to do with the roadster. Edit: Spelling | I agree with you 100%. Best (or worst) of all is that 99 9% of these Tesla killers or smartphones on wheels or whatevers never actually go on sale. I don t know if they are just ways for the founders to make a quick buck by raising funding or what. It s funny to think that Model S has been on sale for almost SIX YEARS and there s still basically no competition for Tesla at all. Sure there s other electric cars but technically and feature wise they are a lot behind Tesla and I m also actually struggling to think of another EV that s actually designed to be fully electric from the ground up. Not a mod from the original car like e-Golf or something. Tesla has really proved that the concept does work and people actually interested in electric cars if it is a decent car and not something like REVAi G-Wiz. | They have got some good ideas ... but are really cramming in a lot of ideas some of which may not add much to the total car experience. What seems to be happening is competitors to Tesla are trying to out do Tesla to attract attention.... I agree it is more important to produce a good attractive product at a good price that sometimes means less is more.... But I m happy for them to try a few radical design ideas and see if they fly. That brings me to the other reason why cars are so ambitious. The level of competition in the market is heating up every car maker is looking for an edge and something unique about them that carves out a niche and can be seen to be a superior solution... The best way to succeed in a highly competitive market is to deliver what the customer wants not what you think they want.... The competition will also improve Tesla some aspects if their UI could be improved. The Byton car is not a bad design for FSD but I do wonder about the safety and practicality of some aspects for regular driving. | 70 | 7 | 1,929 |
7oxvr8 | 92 | Why do competitors of Tesla always make such over the top cars https: www.youtube.com watch?v=HJ3l5V-7a3g Byton just presented their new EV at CES. it s another ridiculous car concept with dumb features (a sort of faraday future 2.0). Why can t they just start with a modest EV that focuses on being a good car and build from there? Just like Tesla tried to do with the roadster. Edit: Spelling | Here s a good reason why: I ve never heard of Byton before [seeing a post](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7otuki im_attending_the_byton_press_conference_at_ces ) referencing them on this subreddit yesterday. In other words over the top cars generate publicity which is important to a new manufacturer. | Without them no one even give them a first look. Attention whoring at its finest. | 33 | 3 | 1,930 |
7p10tz | 39 | Let s discuss the interior camera on the 3. I am a little surprised that this is not a major talking point. While we have a good idea on what it will be used for it is still all speculation. In the meantime are you guys going to cover thr camera? I like the idea of the positive use of the camera (Valet mode car theft culprit finder self driving guest monitor) but I am unsure I like the idea of a camera that will most of the time be pointed at me (the primary driver). I am thinking I will just find something nice to cover it with until such time when a solid use case comes up for me tl uncover it. Also for those that have gotten their model 3 is there a customer agreement for the Tesla s software that could allow Tesla to force me to uncover the camera if I want to continue driving the car? | If anyone s thinking of covering it here s a tiny little sliding cover. https: www.amazon.com dp B073YSJDFH ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1& pd_rd_i=B073YSJDFH& pd_rd_wg=c51er& pd_rd_r=ZT8ZCJC1PWFT8WYTEJM3& pd_rd_w=T0CJW | I honestly hadn t even thought about that. It wasn t long ago that everyone got crazy about covering their computer camera s so it is a bit surprising that more hasn t been said about this. I don t think it really bothers me but I may cover it if I think about it. | 34 | 6 | 1,931 |
7p1d9t | 144 | r TeslaMotors has reached 200 000 subscribers! **We ve grown 3x from 67 300 subscribers this time last year!** | There goes the tax credit | 1m by year end?! | 66 | 8 | 1,932 |
7p1d9t | 144 | r TeslaMotors has reached 200 000 subscribers! **We ve grown 3x from 67 300 subscribers this time last year!** | There goes the tax credit | Now if we each put in a dollar we can buy a Roadster for the subreddit. | 66 | 20 | 1,933 |
7p1d9t | 144 | r TeslaMotors has reached 200 000 subscribers! **We ve grown 3x from 67 300 subscribers this time last year!** | There goes the tax credit | Getting serious in here | 66 | 23 | 1,934 |
7p1kt7 | 40 | BMW M3 vs Tesla Model 3 Any interest in a side by side comparison before I return my BMW to Fair? Please lmk! | So M3 vs M3 | Which generation M3? | 40 | 3 | 1,935 |
7p1kt7 | 40 | BMW M3 vs Tesla Model 3 Any interest in a side by side comparison before I return my BMW to Fair? Please lmk! | So M3 vs M3 | Sure why not. | 40 | 6 | 1,936 |
7p1kt7 | 40 | BMW M3 vs Tesla Model 3 Any interest in a side by side comparison before I return my BMW to Fair? Please lmk! | So M3 vs M3 | I d be interested in some side by side shots. | 40 | 10 | 1,937 |
7p30rt | 147 | PSA: Auto sensing wipers do not work in the dark Forgive me if this is common knowledge for everyone else...I received the update a few days ago that included the BETA Auto sensing windshield wipers for AP2 vehicles and got to test out the feature in the real world today. Driving during the day the rain sensing wipers were absolutely perfect. I mean flawless! On my way home this evening I noticed that they just stopped working or working sporadically is more accurate. I could not figure out why...thought I might have turned them off on multiple occasions. After a few tries is dawned on me (no pun intended) that the auto sensing wipers only turned on when another car would pass or I drove under a street light. I finally put 2 and 2 together and came to conclusion that the camera that functions as the “rain detector” must need light in order to properly gauge moisture on the windshield. Just thought I would share this with the group especially for everyone driving back roads or long stretches of interstate where no light is present be prepared to change your wipers back to the third or fourth setting in the dark if you want to see. | Yep can confirm. | Well that sucks. There s a logic to it. If the headlights alone aren t enough ambient light for the computers to pickup on whatever it sees through the cameras to detect rain then auto sensing in the dark will struggle. | 72 | 2 | 1,938 |
7p30rt | 147 | PSA: Auto sensing wipers do not work in the dark Forgive me if this is common knowledge for everyone else...I received the update a few days ago that included the BETA Auto sensing windshield wipers for AP2 vehicles and got to test out the feature in the real world today. Driving during the day the rain sensing wipers were absolutely perfect. I mean flawless! On my way home this evening I noticed that they just stopped working or working sporadically is more accurate. I could not figure out why...thought I might have turned them off on multiple occasions. After a few tries is dawned on me (no pun intended) that the auto sensing wipers only turned on when another car would pass or I drove under a street light. I finally put 2 and 2 together and came to conclusion that the camera that functions as the “rain detector” must need light in order to properly gauge moisture on the windshield. Just thought I would share this with the group especially for everyone driving back roads or long stretches of interstate where no light is present be prepared to change your wipers back to the third or fourth setting in the dark if you want to see. | So if they dev this and get it to be 80% correct at night and 100% correct during the day they are saving maybe $10 sensor? If so what case can be made for the ROI with doing it this way? Serious question not trying to start a flame war. | Well that sucks. There s a logic to it. If the headlights alone aren t enough ambient light for the computers to pickup on whatever it sees through the cameras to detect rain then auto sensing in the dark will struggle. | 52 | 2 | 1,939 |
7p30rt | 147 | PSA: Auto sensing wipers do not work in the dark Forgive me if this is common knowledge for everyone else...I received the update a few days ago that included the BETA Auto sensing windshield wipers for AP2 vehicles and got to test out the feature in the real world today. Driving during the day the rain sensing wipers were absolutely perfect. I mean flawless! On my way home this evening I noticed that they just stopped working or working sporadically is more accurate. I could not figure out why...thought I might have turned them off on multiple occasions. After a few tries is dawned on me (no pun intended) that the auto sensing wipers only turned on when another car would pass or I drove under a street light. I finally put 2 and 2 together and came to conclusion that the camera that functions as the “rain detector” must need light in order to properly gauge moisture on the windshield. Just thought I would share this with the group especially for everyone driving back roads or long stretches of interstate where no light is present be prepared to change your wipers back to the third or fourth setting in the dark if you want to see. | So if they dev this and get it to be 80% correct at night and 100% correct during the day they are saving maybe $10 sensor? If so what case can be made for the ROI with doing it this way? Serious question not trying to start a flame war. | It really aggravates me that Tesla isn t forthcoming with this kind of thing in their release notes. I mean how hard is it to just tell us it s not perfect at night. This would go a long way towards gaining my trust. I like incremental delivery but the lack of transparency feels amateur-ish. | 52 | 15 | 1,940 |
7p8a1j | 79 | Bluetooth Key Sensitivity Is Insane Last night someone in my family was working on something in the garage when they noticed my Model 3 was unlocking and locking over and over again. My bedroom happens to be directly above it but that s still a good amount of distance away from the car. I can only imagine how much that would drain the battery with the car doing that over and over again. It only stopped after I turned the bluetooth on my iPhone off in the settings. I hope this is addressed in an upcoming update. The car should only activate within a very close proximity from my phone or key card. I wonder if this is an issue for people who have to leave their cars outside on the street or who are visiting friends family elsewhere and the car just happens to be randomly unlocking on the street. That s a scary thought. | Disable walk-up unlock in the car and it ll stop doing that. When you actually want to get in the car the doors will unlock as you use the door handle to open the door. | What FW are you on? I noticed in .46 the range was pretty long but after .48 it shortened up to the point I have to be pretty much next to the vehicle. Not sure if coincidence or not. | 79 | 10 | 1,941 |
7p95cx | 95 | My list of no-brainer updates for the Model 3 (add yours!) Hi guys after driving Model 3 for about a week (and loving it) here s my list of no-brainer updates: 1) Scroll wheels - Autopilot speed and follow distance should be controllable via the right scroll wheel. In general you should be able to customize or toggle through what the wheels do as you can in S 2) Energy monitoring - The energy charts in the S are actually quite useful. Two options here add a small energy meter as one of the scrolled options on the bottom left end of the screen (for example after the Trip info). or 2 add a way to view energy on main part of the screen perhaps covering a portion of the map (esp. useful for tracking how you are doing based on the original trip estimate) 3) Entertainment - this is the same gripe as I have with the Model S there is such an opportunity here to do something great. For example a Netflix like experience for podcasts where you can actually subscribe it keeps track of what you ve listened to you can resume episodes etc. (for the record I LOVE the sound system on the Model 3 perhaps more than the S) Wipers - simply put this just needs work. Auto wipers really are not usable they allow far too much rain to accumulate and at times don t even wipe at all. The other wiper settings are fine but a bit confusing and. The setting that I *think is supposed to adjust based on speed doesn t seem to respond well to speed changes. Oh and in general they should just stop wiping if one of the front two doors are opened:) Seat heaters - the heated seats have 3 options. Luke warm also luke warm and burning hot. I think the middle option should be a bit warmer and this would solve the problem. Glovebox lock - You should be able to set an optional passcode on the glovebox so people can t open it. While I do believe it locks in valet mode this would be nice to have as a full-time feature Rear camera software correction - the lens is very fish-eye would be nice to have some software correction to straighten out the image a bit when displaying the feed on the screen The obvious ones already discussed: Auto-park Summon using built in cameras as dashcams etc. Thoughts? Feel free to add your own ideas improvements | From another thread today: walk up unlock disabled within geofence around home. | Software is very early right now but these make sense | 73 | 7 | 1,942 |
7p95cx | 95 | My list of no-brainer updates for the Model 3 (add yours!) Hi guys after driving Model 3 for about a week (and loving it) here s my list of no-brainer updates: 1) Scroll wheels - Autopilot speed and follow distance should be controllable via the right scroll wheel. In general you should be able to customize or toggle through what the wheels do as you can in S 2) Energy monitoring - The energy charts in the S are actually quite useful. Two options here add a small energy meter as one of the scrolled options on the bottom left end of the screen (for example after the Trip info). or 2 add a way to view energy on main part of the screen perhaps covering a portion of the map (esp. useful for tracking how you are doing based on the original trip estimate) 3) Entertainment - this is the same gripe as I have with the Model S there is such an opportunity here to do something great. For example a Netflix like experience for podcasts where you can actually subscribe it keeps track of what you ve listened to you can resume episodes etc. (for the record I LOVE the sound system on the Model 3 perhaps more than the S) Wipers - simply put this just needs work. Auto wipers really are not usable they allow far too much rain to accumulate and at times don t even wipe at all. The other wiper settings are fine but a bit confusing and. The setting that I *think is supposed to adjust based on speed doesn t seem to respond well to speed changes. Oh and in general they should just stop wiping if one of the front two doors are opened:) Seat heaters - the heated seats have 3 options. Luke warm also luke warm and burning hot. I think the middle option should be a bit warmer and this would solve the problem. Glovebox lock - You should be able to set an optional passcode on the glovebox so people can t open it. While I do believe it locks in valet mode this would be nice to have as a full-time feature Rear camera software correction - the lens is very fish-eye would be nice to have some software correction to straighten out the image a bit when displaying the feed on the screen The obvious ones already discussed: Auto-park Summon using built in cameras as dashcams etc. Thoughts? Feel free to add your own ideas improvements | From another thread today: walk up unlock disabled within geofence around home. | Agree with all but the seat warmers. Number 2 setting is perfection. | 73 | 11 | 1,943 |
7pek5p | 263 | Model S vs Model 3 **Model 3 s Advantages:** * The Model 3 LRD has more range than the Model S 100D. Check out the numbers [here](https: i.imgur.com WEW8Cnp.gif). * The Model 3 is 25% more efficient than the Model S which means you will pay 25% less to charge at home. * The Model 3 LRD has 78.3 kWh usable battery capacity (source: [page 6 footer](https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L13.PDF)) vs 72.6 kWh in the Model S 75 ([source](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 1865416 )) and 77.5 kWh in the Model S 85 ([source](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 1865416 )). That means the Model S X battery capacities are over advertised but the Model 3 capacity is under advertised. * The Model 3 battery degradation will be 25% slower than the Model S because it requires fewer charge cycles to achieve the same mileage. If you look at the graph [here](https: i.imgur.com l2qwzyr.gif) you can see that the S and X are already pretty good but the 3 will be better. * The Model 3 uses the newer battery technology. The 2170 cells in the Model 3 have 18.5% higher energy density than the 18650 cells in the latest Model S based on EPA documents. S X will probably switch to the 2170 cells in the future. That means if you buy an S X it is likely that it will become the old technology soon. When the S X switch to 2170 cells this should increase the range reduce weight and improve handling. See the calculation and data sources [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pek5p model_s_vs_model_3 dsgnm1k ). Also listen to Elon [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=OOPE_lMxShw& feature=youtu.be& t=1524). * The Model 3 has the newer motor technology. These motors are lighter and have better track performance and Autobahn performance. They reduce weight and improve handling. The permanent magnet motors don t go into limp mode as quickly as the current Model S X AC induction motors. The Porsche Mission E has permanent magnet motors for better track performance. The Bolt and Model 3 have permanent magnet motors for high efficiency. Unlike common assumptions these motors are not the less capable economy option. They are superior in every metric. For more info see page 15 [here](http: www.parkermotion.com whitepages Comparing_AC_and_PM_motors.pdf) and [this](http: www.coppermotor.com wp-content uploads 2013 08 Techno-Frontier-2013-MBurwell-ICA-EV-Traction-Motor-Comparison-v1.8-Eng1.pdf) and [this](https: www.slideshare.net DesignWorldOnline the-best-motor-for-hybrid-electric-vehicle-powertrains-33408764)) research. They were more expensive until recently but the prices have come down. Check out paragraph 10 that starts with Alternatively in terms of ... [here](http: rockstone-research.com index.php en research-reports 2072-Commerce-Resources-Well-Positioned-For-Robust-REE-Demand-Growth-Going-Forward). The Model S does not have permanent magnet motors because they were expensive and difficult to source at high volume until recently because of rare earth materials but Tesla has made a deal with a Chinese supplier ([source](http: www.indmin.com Article 3602814 Tesla-signs-permanent-magnet-supply-deal.html)). * The Model 3 has a driver-facing camera. This might enable facial recognition related features for driverless Autopilot or it might be used for monitoring the cabin against vandalism under the Tesla Network. There is a video about it [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=vb25sZbsFtw). * Better handling because of less weight. Model S 75 and the Model 3 SR have similar range and both are RWD. Therefore comparing these two makes sense. Model S 75 curb weight is 4469 lbs ([source](https: www.caranddriver.com tesla model-s specs 2017 Model-S-Sedan 390568)). Model 3 SR curb weight is 3549 lbs ([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)). The difference is 920 lbs (417 kg). The Model S 100D and the Model 3 LRD are also comparable in range. Model S 100D s curb weight is 4736 lbs ([source](https: www.caranddriver.com tesla model-s specs 2017 Model-S-Sedan 390570)). Model 3 LRD s curb weight is expected to be around 3895 lbs. The difference would be 841 lbs (381 kg). * The Model 3 center console has more storage space and charger docks for two smartphones (Source: See video [here](http: www.motortrend.com news video-exclusive-a-closer-look-at-the-tesla-model-3s-interior )) * The Model 3 has door pockets coat hooks lighted vanity mirrors and adjustable front seat belt anchor points. The Model S does not. * The Model 3 has a folding rear seat armrest with cup holders. [Photo](https: i.imgur.com TeinQ9c.jpg) * The Model 3 infotainment computer has a liquid cooled and faster processor. Therefore the touchscreen is more responsive. Even the latest Model S doesn t have this yet. To prevent any confusion both the Model 3 and the latest Model S have liquid cooled AP2.5 computers with dual graphics cars. The AP2.5 computers are the same but the media control unit processors are different. The Model S X still use the Tegra 1 mobile processor from 2011. Quote: On one side there s the infotainment Electronic Control Unit (ECU) or MCU now powered by the Intel Gordon Peak BMP and Intel Apollo Lake system-on-chip instead of Nvidia s Tegra chip in Model S and Model X. [Source](https: electrek.co 2017 09 28 tesla-model-3-new-dual-computing-platform-autopilot-media ). * The Model 3 insurance will cost less than the Model S. * Price: The Model 3 costs a lot less than the Model S. Many people are comparing the wrong cars. The Model 3 LR is not comparable to the Model S 75D. These cars are comparable: [Model S 75 Model 3 SR] [Model S 75D Model 3 SRD] [Model S 100D Model 3 LRD]. The Model S 100D starts at $97 300 before options. The Model 3 LRD is expected to start at 35+9+4.5+2= $50 500 assuming $4 500 for dual motors and $2 000 for air suspension. EAP and PUP are not included in either price. The Model S 100D is 93% more expensive than the Model 3 LRD. * The Model 3 front armrest has storage space. Model S does not. Also the front cup holders are better positioned in the Model 3. They are difficult to use in the Model S. * The Model 3 will support up to 184 kW Supercharging when Tesla upgrades the Superchargers. The Model S can only support up to 120 kW. Even the latest Model S doesn t support 184 kW yet. More info [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6swl45 tesla_called_me_regarding_my_model_3_reservation drqqrq5 ). * The Model 3 production line is more automated. Listen [here](https: youtu.be 51UhA6jffis?t=651) to Elon confirming this. That means fewer parts are hand assembled compared to the Model S which means fewer manufacturing errors. * The Model S is not more premium than the Model 3 because there is no difference between the Model S and Model 3 gross margins. Check out the second bullet point on top of the shareholder letter [here](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2707351374x0x952053 F302D22F-FC9B-41A3-9534-60D0032673CC TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-2Q.pdf). Even though the Model S prices are high Tesla doesn t have higher gross margins on the Model S because half of the car is hand-assembled but the Model 3 production line is a lot more automated. The Model S is expensive because Tesla uses 7 times the number of employees as other car makers to build the S X ([source](http: www.autonews.com article 20170611 OEM01 170619951 teslas-real-capacity-problem:-too-many-people )). * The Model 3 has 1.5 more headroom in the front and 2.4 more in the rear seats than the Model S. Model 3: Front= 40.3” Rear = 37.7”([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)) Model S: Front= 38.8 Rear= 35.3 ([source](https: www.tesla.com support model-s-specifications)) * The Model 3 has practically the same legroom as the Model S: Model 3 Leg room: 42.7” Front 35.2” Rear ([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)) Model S Leg room: 42.7 Front 35.4 Rear ([source](https: www.tesla.com support model-s-specifications)) * The Model 3 is only 1.2 inches (3 cm) narrower: Model 3 width: 76.1” with mirrors folded ([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)) Model S width: 77.3” with mirrors folded ([source](https: www.tesla.com support model-s-specifications)) * Only the pano sunroof version of the Model S supports a roof rack. The all-glass version does not. However all Model 3 roof versions (all glass or metal) are expected to support a roof rack. Check out [this](https: youtu.be GQ0epCRIgmc?t=1041) and [this](https: youtu.be _DT0vDMWsq4?t=219) video. * The Model 3 air vents are digitally controlled. That means when FSD is enabled and a family member summons the car for a driverless ride air vents will work the way the passenger wants. Each passenger won t have to adjust physical settings. * Model 3 steering wheel has scroll buttons that with extra functions. * Better audio quality with the Model 3 with PUP compared to the Model S with PUP has been reported by many people who have compared the two. * The headlights are better. They distribute the light evenly and provide a clearer view. Check out the photos [here](https: imgur.com a jWZ0V#MMtq8YZ). **Model S advantages:** * The Model S has more cargo capacity: 30 cubic feet instead of 15. * The battery failure and drive unit warranty is different. You get 8 years or 120 000 miles (whichever comes first) with the Model 3 LR compared to 8 years and unlimited miles for the Model S. The warranty extension for the Model 3 will probably increase the mileage from 120K to 240K. Details have not been released yet. Practically this doesn t make much difference because the overall warranty on both cars is 4 years or 50 000. Therefore most Model S owners who keep the car longer than 4 years already buy the warranty extension. * Model S steering wheel is thicker more comfortable and attractive. * Model S has a heated steering wheel. * Free unlimited Supercharging for the duration of your ownership if you buy a Model S until the end of January 2018. See details [here](https: www.tesla.com support referral-program) for the 31 Jan 2018 deadline. Free Supercharging does not stay with the owner or with the car anymore. Tesla changed this more than a year ago. See the details [here](https: www.tesla.com blog update-our-supercharging-program). * The Model S has optional third-row seats for kids. * Bioweapon Defense Mode. * Better backup camera than the Model 3 which seems to have a fisheye view. See the video [here](https: youtu.be _DT0vDMWsq4?t=3007). * Availability: In most cases you can take delivery of a new Model S sooner than a new Model 3. The only exception to this is existing Tesla owners who don t mind an RWD car. * The frunk is larger. * Model S has a power liftgate. * Autopilot following distance can be set using the cruise control lever instead of the touchscreen. * Model S has less road noise. The reason is unclear. If this is related to what Elon mentioned [here](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 885626334503882752) the Model 3 could have the same thing. **Less clear differences:** * Horizontal 15 screen in the Model 3 vs vertical 17 screen in the Model S. It is unclear which one is better. * Model S door handles extend but they also break down frequently and cost $850 each to replace out of warranty. * The Model S has a keyfob and smartphone app entry which requires a mobile signal. The Model 3 has touchless Bluetooth smartphone entry and a hotel keycard. It is unclear which option is better. * The Model S has aluminum body panels instead of steal. These are better against corrosion but they are expensive to repair. * The Model S has an instrument cluster but the Model 3 has better visibility because it doesn t have it. --- * Somebody made this excellent video [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=MjW0YVxSCAE) that talks about most of the differences above. * Check out the video [here](https: youtu.be W-RNygAgChQ?t=781) about whether it makes sense to buy an S. * Tesla will most likely update the Model S in 2018. See my message [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7htx43 does_anyone_have_any_thoughts_on_what_an_eventual dqtsg3y ) for details. | * The S has a driver screen * The S has better acceleration * The S has free unlimited supercharging * The S is better noise insulated (rumor has it) * The S has AWD air suspension and a power liftgate * The S has a heated steering wheel and heated windshield wipers * The S has a dedicated key | I m sceptical about the claim that the 2170s have an 18.5% higher energy density than the current 18650s. Do you have a source? | 149 | 4 | 1,944 |
7pek5p | 263 | Model S vs Model 3 **Model 3 s Advantages:** * The Model 3 LRD has more range than the Model S 100D. Check out the numbers [here](https: i.imgur.com WEW8Cnp.gif). * The Model 3 is 25% more efficient than the Model S which means you will pay 25% less to charge at home. * The Model 3 LRD has 78.3 kWh usable battery capacity (source: [page 6 footer](https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L13.PDF)) vs 72.6 kWh in the Model S 75 ([source](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 1865416 )) and 77.5 kWh in the Model S 85 ([source](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 1865416 )). That means the Model S X battery capacities are over advertised but the Model 3 capacity is under advertised. * The Model 3 battery degradation will be 25% slower than the Model S because it requires fewer charge cycles to achieve the same mileage. If you look at the graph [here](https: i.imgur.com l2qwzyr.gif) you can see that the S and X are already pretty good but the 3 will be better. * The Model 3 uses the newer battery technology. The 2170 cells in the Model 3 have 18.5% higher energy density than the 18650 cells in the latest Model S based on EPA documents. S X will probably switch to the 2170 cells in the future. That means if you buy an S X it is likely that it will become the old technology soon. When the S X switch to 2170 cells this should increase the range reduce weight and improve handling. See the calculation and data sources [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pek5p model_s_vs_model_3 dsgnm1k ). Also listen to Elon [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=OOPE_lMxShw& feature=youtu.be& t=1524). * The Model 3 has the newer motor technology. These motors are lighter and have better track performance and Autobahn performance. They reduce weight and improve handling. The permanent magnet motors don t go into limp mode as quickly as the current Model S X AC induction motors. The Porsche Mission E has permanent magnet motors for better track performance. The Bolt and Model 3 have permanent magnet motors for high efficiency. Unlike common assumptions these motors are not the less capable economy option. They are superior in every metric. For more info see page 15 [here](http: www.parkermotion.com whitepages Comparing_AC_and_PM_motors.pdf) and [this](http: www.coppermotor.com wp-content uploads 2013 08 Techno-Frontier-2013-MBurwell-ICA-EV-Traction-Motor-Comparison-v1.8-Eng1.pdf) and [this](https: www.slideshare.net DesignWorldOnline the-best-motor-for-hybrid-electric-vehicle-powertrains-33408764)) research. They were more expensive until recently but the prices have come down. Check out paragraph 10 that starts with Alternatively in terms of ... [here](http: rockstone-research.com index.php en research-reports 2072-Commerce-Resources-Well-Positioned-For-Robust-REE-Demand-Growth-Going-Forward). The Model S does not have permanent magnet motors because they were expensive and difficult to source at high volume until recently because of rare earth materials but Tesla has made a deal with a Chinese supplier ([source](http: www.indmin.com Article 3602814 Tesla-signs-permanent-magnet-supply-deal.html)). * The Model 3 has a driver-facing camera. This might enable facial recognition related features for driverless Autopilot or it might be used for monitoring the cabin against vandalism under the Tesla Network. There is a video about it [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=vb25sZbsFtw). * Better handling because of less weight. Model S 75 and the Model 3 SR have similar range and both are RWD. Therefore comparing these two makes sense. Model S 75 curb weight is 4469 lbs ([source](https: www.caranddriver.com tesla model-s specs 2017 Model-S-Sedan 390568)). Model 3 SR curb weight is 3549 lbs ([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)). The difference is 920 lbs (417 kg). The Model S 100D and the Model 3 LRD are also comparable in range. Model S 100D s curb weight is 4736 lbs ([source](https: www.caranddriver.com tesla model-s specs 2017 Model-S-Sedan 390570)). Model 3 LRD s curb weight is expected to be around 3895 lbs. The difference would be 841 lbs (381 kg). * The Model 3 center console has more storage space and charger docks for two smartphones (Source: See video [here](http: www.motortrend.com news video-exclusive-a-closer-look-at-the-tesla-model-3s-interior )) * The Model 3 has door pockets coat hooks lighted vanity mirrors and adjustable front seat belt anchor points. The Model S does not. * The Model 3 has a folding rear seat armrest with cup holders. [Photo](https: i.imgur.com TeinQ9c.jpg) * The Model 3 infotainment computer has a liquid cooled and faster processor. Therefore the touchscreen is more responsive. Even the latest Model S doesn t have this yet. To prevent any confusion both the Model 3 and the latest Model S have liquid cooled AP2.5 computers with dual graphics cars. The AP2.5 computers are the same but the media control unit processors are different. The Model S X still use the Tegra 1 mobile processor from 2011. Quote: On one side there s the infotainment Electronic Control Unit (ECU) or MCU now powered by the Intel Gordon Peak BMP and Intel Apollo Lake system-on-chip instead of Nvidia s Tegra chip in Model S and Model X. [Source](https: electrek.co 2017 09 28 tesla-model-3-new-dual-computing-platform-autopilot-media ). * The Model 3 insurance will cost less than the Model S. * Price: The Model 3 costs a lot less than the Model S. Many people are comparing the wrong cars. The Model 3 LR is not comparable to the Model S 75D. These cars are comparable: [Model S 75 Model 3 SR] [Model S 75D Model 3 SRD] [Model S 100D Model 3 LRD]. The Model S 100D starts at $97 300 before options. The Model 3 LRD is expected to start at 35+9+4.5+2= $50 500 assuming $4 500 for dual motors and $2 000 for air suspension. EAP and PUP are not included in either price. The Model S 100D is 93% more expensive than the Model 3 LRD. * The Model 3 front armrest has storage space. Model S does not. Also the front cup holders are better positioned in the Model 3. They are difficult to use in the Model S. * The Model 3 will support up to 184 kW Supercharging when Tesla upgrades the Superchargers. The Model S can only support up to 120 kW. Even the latest Model S doesn t support 184 kW yet. More info [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6swl45 tesla_called_me_regarding_my_model_3_reservation drqqrq5 ). * The Model 3 production line is more automated. Listen [here](https: youtu.be 51UhA6jffis?t=651) to Elon confirming this. That means fewer parts are hand assembled compared to the Model S which means fewer manufacturing errors. * The Model S is not more premium than the Model 3 because there is no difference between the Model S and Model 3 gross margins. Check out the second bullet point on top of the shareholder letter [here](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2707351374x0x952053 F302D22F-FC9B-41A3-9534-60D0032673CC TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-2Q.pdf). Even though the Model S prices are high Tesla doesn t have higher gross margins on the Model S because half of the car is hand-assembled but the Model 3 production line is a lot more automated. The Model S is expensive because Tesla uses 7 times the number of employees as other car makers to build the S X ([source](http: www.autonews.com article 20170611 OEM01 170619951 teslas-real-capacity-problem:-too-many-people )). * The Model 3 has 1.5 more headroom in the front and 2.4 more in the rear seats than the Model S. Model 3: Front= 40.3” Rear = 37.7”([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)) Model S: Front= 38.8 Rear= 35.3 ([source](https: www.tesla.com support model-s-specifications)) * The Model 3 has practically the same legroom as the Model S: Model 3 Leg room: 42.7” Front 35.2” Rear ([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)) Model S Leg room: 42.7 Front 35.4 Rear ([source](https: www.tesla.com support model-s-specifications)) * The Model 3 is only 1.2 inches (3 cm) narrower: Model 3 width: 76.1” with mirrors folded ([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)) Model S width: 77.3” with mirrors folded ([source](https: www.tesla.com support model-s-specifications)) * Only the pano sunroof version of the Model S supports a roof rack. The all-glass version does not. However all Model 3 roof versions (all glass or metal) are expected to support a roof rack. Check out [this](https: youtu.be GQ0epCRIgmc?t=1041) and [this](https: youtu.be _DT0vDMWsq4?t=219) video. * The Model 3 air vents are digitally controlled. That means when FSD is enabled and a family member summons the car for a driverless ride air vents will work the way the passenger wants. Each passenger won t have to adjust physical settings. * Model 3 steering wheel has scroll buttons that with extra functions. * Better audio quality with the Model 3 with PUP compared to the Model S with PUP has been reported by many people who have compared the two. * The headlights are better. They distribute the light evenly and provide a clearer view. Check out the photos [here](https: imgur.com a jWZ0V#MMtq8YZ). **Model S advantages:** * The Model S has more cargo capacity: 30 cubic feet instead of 15. * The battery failure and drive unit warranty is different. You get 8 years or 120 000 miles (whichever comes first) with the Model 3 LR compared to 8 years and unlimited miles for the Model S. The warranty extension for the Model 3 will probably increase the mileage from 120K to 240K. Details have not been released yet. Practically this doesn t make much difference because the overall warranty on both cars is 4 years or 50 000. Therefore most Model S owners who keep the car longer than 4 years already buy the warranty extension. * Model S steering wheel is thicker more comfortable and attractive. * Model S has a heated steering wheel. * Free unlimited Supercharging for the duration of your ownership if you buy a Model S until the end of January 2018. See details [here](https: www.tesla.com support referral-program) for the 31 Jan 2018 deadline. Free Supercharging does not stay with the owner or with the car anymore. Tesla changed this more than a year ago. See the details [here](https: www.tesla.com blog update-our-supercharging-program). * The Model S has optional third-row seats for kids. * Bioweapon Defense Mode. * Better backup camera than the Model 3 which seems to have a fisheye view. See the video [here](https: youtu.be _DT0vDMWsq4?t=3007). * Availability: In most cases you can take delivery of a new Model S sooner than a new Model 3. The only exception to this is existing Tesla owners who don t mind an RWD car. * The frunk is larger. * Model S has a power liftgate. * Autopilot following distance can be set using the cruise control lever instead of the touchscreen. * Model S has less road noise. The reason is unclear. If this is related to what Elon mentioned [here](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 885626334503882752) the Model 3 could have the same thing. **Less clear differences:** * Horizontal 15 screen in the Model 3 vs vertical 17 screen in the Model S. It is unclear which one is better. * Model S door handles extend but they also break down frequently and cost $850 each to replace out of warranty. * The Model S has a keyfob and smartphone app entry which requires a mobile signal. The Model 3 has touchless Bluetooth smartphone entry and a hotel keycard. It is unclear which option is better. * The Model S has aluminum body panels instead of steal. These are better against corrosion but they are expensive to repair. * The Model S has an instrument cluster but the Model 3 has better visibility because it doesn t have it. --- * Somebody made this excellent video [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=MjW0YVxSCAE) that talks about most of the differences above. * Check out the video [here](https: youtu.be W-RNygAgChQ?t=781) about whether it makes sense to buy an S. * Tesla will most likely update the Model S in 2018. See my message [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7htx43 does_anyone_have_any_thoughts_on_what_an_eventual dqtsg3y ) for details. | * The S has a driver screen * The S has better acceleration * The S has free unlimited supercharging * The S is better noise insulated (rumor has it) * The S has AWD air suspension and a power liftgate * The S has a heated steering wheel and heated windshield wipers * The S has a dedicated key | I ve read the leg room numbers before but when you see a real world comparison the leg room and width in a Model S is significantly bigger. The 3 does however have better headroom. | 149 | 4 | 1,945 |
7pek5p | 263 | Model S vs Model 3 **Model 3 s Advantages:** * The Model 3 LRD has more range than the Model S 100D. Check out the numbers [here](https: i.imgur.com WEW8Cnp.gif). * The Model 3 is 25% more efficient than the Model S which means you will pay 25% less to charge at home. * The Model 3 LRD has 78.3 kWh usable battery capacity (source: [page 6 footer](https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L13.PDF)) vs 72.6 kWh in the Model S 75 ([source](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 1865416 )) and 77.5 kWh in the Model S 85 ([source](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 1865416 )). That means the Model S X battery capacities are over advertised but the Model 3 capacity is under advertised. * The Model 3 battery degradation will be 25% slower than the Model S because it requires fewer charge cycles to achieve the same mileage. If you look at the graph [here](https: i.imgur.com l2qwzyr.gif) you can see that the S and X are already pretty good but the 3 will be better. * The Model 3 uses the newer battery technology. The 2170 cells in the Model 3 have 18.5% higher energy density than the 18650 cells in the latest Model S based on EPA documents. S X will probably switch to the 2170 cells in the future. That means if you buy an S X it is likely that it will become the old technology soon. When the S X switch to 2170 cells this should increase the range reduce weight and improve handling. See the calculation and data sources [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pek5p model_s_vs_model_3 dsgnm1k ). Also listen to Elon [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=OOPE_lMxShw& feature=youtu.be& t=1524). * The Model 3 has the newer motor technology. These motors are lighter and have better track performance and Autobahn performance. They reduce weight and improve handling. The permanent magnet motors don t go into limp mode as quickly as the current Model S X AC induction motors. The Porsche Mission E has permanent magnet motors for better track performance. The Bolt and Model 3 have permanent magnet motors for high efficiency. Unlike common assumptions these motors are not the less capable economy option. They are superior in every metric. For more info see page 15 [here](http: www.parkermotion.com whitepages Comparing_AC_and_PM_motors.pdf) and [this](http: www.coppermotor.com wp-content uploads 2013 08 Techno-Frontier-2013-MBurwell-ICA-EV-Traction-Motor-Comparison-v1.8-Eng1.pdf) and [this](https: www.slideshare.net DesignWorldOnline the-best-motor-for-hybrid-electric-vehicle-powertrains-33408764)) research. They were more expensive until recently but the prices have come down. Check out paragraph 10 that starts with Alternatively in terms of ... [here](http: rockstone-research.com index.php en research-reports 2072-Commerce-Resources-Well-Positioned-For-Robust-REE-Demand-Growth-Going-Forward). The Model S does not have permanent magnet motors because they were expensive and difficult to source at high volume until recently because of rare earth materials but Tesla has made a deal with a Chinese supplier ([source](http: www.indmin.com Article 3602814 Tesla-signs-permanent-magnet-supply-deal.html)). * The Model 3 has a driver-facing camera. This might enable facial recognition related features for driverless Autopilot or it might be used for monitoring the cabin against vandalism under the Tesla Network. There is a video about it [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=vb25sZbsFtw). * Better handling because of less weight. Model S 75 and the Model 3 SR have similar range and both are RWD. Therefore comparing these two makes sense. Model S 75 curb weight is 4469 lbs ([source](https: www.caranddriver.com tesla model-s specs 2017 Model-S-Sedan 390568)). Model 3 SR curb weight is 3549 lbs ([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)). The difference is 920 lbs (417 kg). The Model S 100D and the Model 3 LRD are also comparable in range. Model S 100D s curb weight is 4736 lbs ([source](https: www.caranddriver.com tesla model-s specs 2017 Model-S-Sedan 390570)). Model 3 LRD s curb weight is expected to be around 3895 lbs. The difference would be 841 lbs (381 kg). * The Model 3 center console has more storage space and charger docks for two smartphones (Source: See video [here](http: www.motortrend.com news video-exclusive-a-closer-look-at-the-tesla-model-3s-interior )) * The Model 3 has door pockets coat hooks lighted vanity mirrors and adjustable front seat belt anchor points. The Model S does not. * The Model 3 has a folding rear seat armrest with cup holders. [Photo](https: i.imgur.com TeinQ9c.jpg) * The Model 3 infotainment computer has a liquid cooled and faster processor. Therefore the touchscreen is more responsive. Even the latest Model S doesn t have this yet. To prevent any confusion both the Model 3 and the latest Model S have liquid cooled AP2.5 computers with dual graphics cars. The AP2.5 computers are the same but the media control unit processors are different. The Model S X still use the Tegra 1 mobile processor from 2011. Quote: On one side there s the infotainment Electronic Control Unit (ECU) or MCU now powered by the Intel Gordon Peak BMP and Intel Apollo Lake system-on-chip instead of Nvidia s Tegra chip in Model S and Model X. [Source](https: electrek.co 2017 09 28 tesla-model-3-new-dual-computing-platform-autopilot-media ). * The Model 3 insurance will cost less than the Model S. * Price: The Model 3 costs a lot less than the Model S. Many people are comparing the wrong cars. The Model 3 LR is not comparable to the Model S 75D. These cars are comparable: [Model S 75 Model 3 SR] [Model S 75D Model 3 SRD] [Model S 100D Model 3 LRD]. The Model S 100D starts at $97 300 before options. The Model 3 LRD is expected to start at 35+9+4.5+2= $50 500 assuming $4 500 for dual motors and $2 000 for air suspension. EAP and PUP are not included in either price. The Model S 100D is 93% more expensive than the Model 3 LRD. * The Model 3 front armrest has storage space. Model S does not. Also the front cup holders are better positioned in the Model 3. They are difficult to use in the Model S. * The Model 3 will support up to 184 kW Supercharging when Tesla upgrades the Superchargers. The Model S can only support up to 120 kW. Even the latest Model S doesn t support 184 kW yet. More info [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6swl45 tesla_called_me_regarding_my_model_3_reservation drqqrq5 ). * The Model 3 production line is more automated. Listen [here](https: youtu.be 51UhA6jffis?t=651) to Elon confirming this. That means fewer parts are hand assembled compared to the Model S which means fewer manufacturing errors. * The Model S is not more premium than the Model 3 because there is no difference between the Model S and Model 3 gross margins. Check out the second bullet point on top of the shareholder letter [here](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2707351374x0x952053 F302D22F-FC9B-41A3-9534-60D0032673CC TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-2Q.pdf). Even though the Model S prices are high Tesla doesn t have higher gross margins on the Model S because half of the car is hand-assembled but the Model 3 production line is a lot more automated. The Model S is expensive because Tesla uses 7 times the number of employees as other car makers to build the S X ([source](http: www.autonews.com article 20170611 OEM01 170619951 teslas-real-capacity-problem:-too-many-people )). * The Model 3 has 1.5 more headroom in the front and 2.4 more in the rear seats than the Model S. Model 3: Front= 40.3” Rear = 37.7”([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)) Model S: Front= 38.8 Rear= 35.3 ([source](https: www.tesla.com support model-s-specifications)) * The Model 3 has practically the same legroom as the Model S: Model 3 Leg room: 42.7” Front 35.2” Rear ([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)) Model S Leg room: 42.7 Front 35.4 Rear ([source](https: www.tesla.com support model-s-specifications)) * The Model 3 is only 1.2 inches (3 cm) narrower: Model 3 width: 76.1” with mirrors folded ([source](https: www.tesla.com presskit)) Model S width: 77.3” with mirrors folded ([source](https: www.tesla.com support model-s-specifications)) * Only the pano sunroof version of the Model S supports a roof rack. The all-glass version does not. However all Model 3 roof versions (all glass or metal) are expected to support a roof rack. Check out [this](https: youtu.be GQ0epCRIgmc?t=1041) and [this](https: youtu.be _DT0vDMWsq4?t=219) video. * The Model 3 air vents are digitally controlled. That means when FSD is enabled and a family member summons the car for a driverless ride air vents will work the way the passenger wants. Each passenger won t have to adjust physical settings. * Model 3 steering wheel has scroll buttons that with extra functions. * Better audio quality with the Model 3 with PUP compared to the Model S with PUP has been reported by many people who have compared the two. * The headlights are better. They distribute the light evenly and provide a clearer view. Check out the photos [here](https: imgur.com a jWZ0V#MMtq8YZ). **Model S advantages:** * The Model S has more cargo capacity: 30 cubic feet instead of 15. * The battery failure and drive unit warranty is different. You get 8 years or 120 000 miles (whichever comes first) with the Model 3 LR compared to 8 years and unlimited miles for the Model S. The warranty extension for the Model 3 will probably increase the mileage from 120K to 240K. Details have not been released yet. Practically this doesn t make much difference because the overall warranty on both cars is 4 years or 50 000. Therefore most Model S owners who keep the car longer than 4 years already buy the warranty extension. * Model S steering wheel is thicker more comfortable and attractive. * Model S has a heated steering wheel. * Free unlimited Supercharging for the duration of your ownership if you buy a Model S until the end of January 2018. See details [here](https: www.tesla.com support referral-program) for the 31 Jan 2018 deadline. Free Supercharging does not stay with the owner or with the car anymore. Tesla changed this more than a year ago. See the details [here](https: www.tesla.com blog update-our-supercharging-program). * The Model S has optional third-row seats for kids. * Bioweapon Defense Mode. * Better backup camera than the Model 3 which seems to have a fisheye view. See the video [here](https: youtu.be _DT0vDMWsq4?t=3007). * Availability: In most cases you can take delivery of a new Model S sooner than a new Model 3. The only exception to this is existing Tesla owners who don t mind an RWD car. * The frunk is larger. * Model S has a power liftgate. * Autopilot following distance can be set using the cruise control lever instead of the touchscreen. * Model S has less road noise. The reason is unclear. If this is related to what Elon mentioned [here](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 885626334503882752) the Model 3 could have the same thing. **Less clear differences:** * Horizontal 15 screen in the Model 3 vs vertical 17 screen in the Model S. It is unclear which one is better. * Model S door handles extend but they also break down frequently and cost $850 each to replace out of warranty. * The Model S has a keyfob and smartphone app entry which requires a mobile signal. The Model 3 has touchless Bluetooth smartphone entry and a hotel keycard. It is unclear which option is better. * The Model S has aluminum body panels instead of steal. These are better against corrosion but they are expensive to repair. * The Model S has an instrument cluster but the Model 3 has better visibility because it doesn t have it. --- * Somebody made this excellent video [here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=MjW0YVxSCAE) that talks about most of the differences above. * Check out the video [here](https: youtu.be W-RNygAgChQ?t=781) about whether it makes sense to buy an S. * Tesla will most likely update the Model S in 2018. See my message [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7htx43 does_anyone_have_any_thoughts_on_what_an_eventual dqtsg3y ) for details. | * The S has a driver screen * The S has better acceleration * The S has free unlimited supercharging * The S is better noise insulated (rumor has it) * The S has AWD air suspension and a power liftgate * The S has a heated steering wheel and heated windshield wipers * The S has a dedicated key | Hi. I have been posting these comparisons for a few months now. (see [1](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7in60r why_should_i_wait_for_a_model_3_when_i_can_get_a dqzyd54 ) [2](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 768i2s new_tesla_model_s_100d_vs_used_tesla_model_s_vs doc474v ?context=3) [3](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6z94tz are_there_model_3_secrets_we_dont_yet_know dmuocrk ) [4](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6swl45 tesla_called_me_regarding_my_model_3_reservation dlg3uul )) but I never created a separate thread for this. So I decided to do that now. I will update the opening message over time. For example the headroom difference was one of the items on the list. Now there is a video about it. So I ve added a link to the video. | 149 | 5 | 1,946 |
7pgapj | 113 | Model Cannonball Run Record Holder AMA I broke the EV Cannonball Run record with Alex Roy in my Model 3. Is anyone interested in me doing an AMA so that you guys can ask questions about delivery the car the trip or Alex Roy? http: www.thedrive.com new-cars 17312 tesla-model-3-sets-new-ev-cannonball-run-record-of-50-hours-16-minutes | This is not the AMA. This is just a tribute. | I assume you re an S or X owner as well. Alex Roy s main criticism was the TACC AP controls on the 3 compared to S X. At what point in the trip did you guys realize how bad it was? | 41 | 2 | 1,947 |
7pgapj | 113 | Model Cannonball Run Record Holder AMA I broke the EV Cannonball Run record with Alex Roy in my Model 3. Is anyone interested in me doing an AMA so that you guys can ask questions about delivery the car the trip or Alex Roy? http: www.thedrive.com new-cars 17312 tesla-model-3-sets-new-ev-cannonball-run-record-of-50-hours-16-minutes | This is not the AMA. This is just a tribute. | Was Alex Roy a caustic asshole in person or is that just his online twitter persona - maybe he can turn that asshole down for you because you are giving him a free publicity stunt? I can t imagine spending 5 minutes with that guy in a car let alone 50 hours. Condolences. | 41 | 3 | 1,948 |
7pgapj | 113 | Model Cannonball Run Record Holder AMA I broke the EV Cannonball Run record with Alex Roy in my Model 3. Is anyone interested in me doing an AMA so that you guys can ask questions about delivery the car the trip or Alex Roy? http: www.thedrive.com new-cars 17312 tesla-model-3-sets-new-ev-cannonball-run-record-of-50-hours-16-minutes | This is not the AMA. This is just a tribute. | Sure | 41 | 4 | 1,949 |
7pirqs | 784 | This subreddit does attract executive attention on occasion.... Last week I (in)famously (depending on who you ask) posted here about a less than perfect Service Center experience. A fellow redditor CC d some people while I also reached out via the MyTesla account escalation feature. I received a follow-up email from Tesla about my email on Monday (the same day my car was finished). Today however was the interesting one. Today I received a phone call from the Service Center manager and he was asking for feedback and followup on specific comments language that I posted HERE and not on my MyTesla email. TL DR: Both the rep who emailed me from CA and the local Service Center manager in MA admitted that there were missteps in their process that they will work to ensure don t happen again. And I was told we re all one Tesla doesn t matter if you buy new used S X or 3. And one last interesting tidbit: I was told re: the ICE rental car: we are in a transition period where our loaners are being swapped out all of our customers are being put into Hertz or Enterprise cars right now. (Watertown MA) Anyway....they messed something up. They made it right. (And I got my car back and love it just as much as I did before.....it s actually quieter now!) Have a good day everyone. | Not just executives. I work in MA under the sales branch and monitor this sub often. If I see something is a big customer service problem I CC someone higher up if I can t help myself. Employees are still fans too. And glad to hear it got sorted ❤️ | That s strange they are swapping out all the P100D loaner aren t they only a year old? Swapping to Model 3? | 663 | 2 | 1,950 |
7pirqs | 784 | This subreddit does attract executive attention on occasion.... Last week I (in)famously (depending on who you ask) posted here about a less than perfect Service Center experience. A fellow redditor CC d some people while I also reached out via the MyTesla account escalation feature. I received a follow-up email from Tesla about my email on Monday (the same day my car was finished). Today however was the interesting one. Today I received a phone call from the Service Center manager and he was asking for feedback and followup on specific comments language that I posted HERE and not on my MyTesla email. TL DR: Both the rep who emailed me from CA and the local Service Center manager in MA admitted that there were missteps in their process that they will work to ensure don t happen again. And I was told we re all one Tesla doesn t matter if you buy new used S X or 3. And one last interesting tidbit: I was told re: the ICE rental car: we are in a transition period where our loaners are being swapped out all of our customers are being put into Hertz or Enterprise cars right now. (Watertown MA) Anyway....they messed something up. They made it right. (And I got my car back and love it just as much as I did before.....it s actually quieter now!) Have a good day everyone. | Not just executives. I work in MA under the sales branch and monitor this sub often. If I see something is a big customer service problem I CC someone higher up if I can t help myself. Employees are still fans too. And glad to hear it got sorted ❤️ | I m mildly amused that the TLDR is the same length as the text above it. Glad you re all good now! | 663 | 9 | 1,951 |
7pirqs | 784 | This subreddit does attract executive attention on occasion.... Last week I (in)famously (depending on who you ask) posted here about a less than perfect Service Center experience. A fellow redditor CC d some people while I also reached out via the MyTesla account escalation feature. I received a follow-up email from Tesla about my email on Monday (the same day my car was finished). Today however was the interesting one. Today I received a phone call from the Service Center manager and he was asking for feedback and followup on specific comments language that I posted HERE and not on my MyTesla email. TL DR: Both the rep who emailed me from CA and the local Service Center manager in MA admitted that there were missteps in their process that they will work to ensure don t happen again. And I was told we re all one Tesla doesn t matter if you buy new used S X or 3. And one last interesting tidbit: I was told re: the ICE rental car: we are in a transition period where our loaners are being swapped out all of our customers are being put into Hertz or Enterprise cars right now. (Watertown MA) Anyway....they messed something up. They made it right. (And I got my car back and love it just as much as I did before.....it s actually quieter now!) Have a good day everyone. | Not just executives. I work in MA under the sales branch and monitor this sub often. If I see something is a big customer service problem I CC someone higher up if I can t help myself. Employees are still fans too. And glad to hear it got sorted ❤️ | When I had my car in for service a couple of weeks ago I was given a Lincoln Navigator as a loaner. Good God!! Giving a Tesla owner a bus-sized vehicle that gets literally 15 mpg doesn t seem right. One can only wonder if they do it to reinforce customer appreciation for their Tesla. I asked the service manager what happened to the all P100D loaners that Musk promised over six months ago and he chuckled which seemed like sufficient response. | 663 | 31 | 1,952 |
7pomtp | 409 | Tesla Model 3 Alcantara controversy explained TLDR: Model 3 with PUP has no longer Alcantara because of supplier issues. & nbsp **What happened?** Tesla changed the Alcantara headliner to cloth in Model 3s that have the $5 000 Premium Upgrades Package (PUP). Tesla s Model 3 photos on their website still show Alcantara. They didn t say anything about this change. Some buyers found out about it yesterday (9 Jan 2018) when they went to pick up their new Model 3. All Model 3 production is now textile. Apparently Tesla has problems with the supplier. The following was posted today (10 Jan) on TMC [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505472 ). > Well I ve had my S for over 2yrs now. I was picking it up from service. But better late than never right? Anyway I talked to a couple of people regarding the Alcantara issue. One person explained to me that they had a supplier that stopped talking to them (Tesla) after about 2 000 vehicles. & nbsp **What is Alcantara?** It s a suede-like synthetic material that looks like [this](https: i.imgur.com 7QWQjUk.jpg). See the Wikipedia page [here](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Alcantara_(material). & nbsp **Where does Tesla use Alcantara in the Model 3?** Check out the image [here](https: i.imgur.com Mw9eSpQ.jpg). They use it on the headliner pillars sun visors and door liners. The door liners have black Alcantara while the rest is light grey. & nbsp **Did Tesla advertise the Model 3 with Alcantara?** * Yes. [This](https: i.imgur.com q4WPuk1.jpg) photo was one of Tesla s presskit photos. [Dailymail](http: www.dailymail.co.uk sciencetech article-4747280 Elon-Musk-unveils-Tesla-Model-3-interior-no-dashboard.html) [Businessinsider](http: www.businessinsider.com tesla-model-3-first-drive-2017-7?r=US& IR=T) [Fortune](http: fortune.com 2017 07 29 tesla-model-3-handover ) [TheVerge](https: www.theverge.com 2017 7 29 16060330 tesla-model-3-production-release-date-price-controls-2017) [Bloomberg](https: www.bloomberg.com news articles 2017-07-31 driving-tesla-s-model-3-changes-everything) [Cleantechnica](https: cleantechnica.com 2017 08 06 tesla-model-3-vs-22-competitors-straight-specs ) [Jalopnik](https: jalopnik.com the-tesla-model-3-long-range-trim-can-go-310-miles-on-a-1797356952) run articles using that photo. You can access Tesla s presskit using the link and password on the right side-panel [here](https: www.tesla.com presskit). * [This](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB) photo in the Model 3 configurator shows Alcantara. Also see [this](https: i.imgur.com jS5gMus.png) screenshot from the configurator. * However the description for Premium Upgrades Package doesn t specifically mention Alcantara. It says premium materials throughout . See the first bullet point item on the left side [here](https: youtu.be kzAg5O-NzVY?t=205). & nbsp **When did this change happen?** The change in the production line must have happened in the last 5-7 days considering that the first reports emerged yesterday (9 Jan) [here](https: forums.tesla.com forum forums what-happened-alcantara-headliner). The Model 3 s delivered until yesterday had Alcantara. & nbsp **What is the problem?** Tesla was advertising (and still does) the Alcantara headliner in their photos. Model 3 s delivered until yesterday had Alcantara. It was the only option. The $5 000 PUP says premium materials throughout . All Model 3 review videos until now showed Alcantara. Buyers had a reasonable expectation to have Alcantara in their Model 3. & nbsp **What are some of the notable reactions?** * [voip-ninja](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2504042 ): What are they going to put in the standard version to justify that the PUP is upgraded linoleum? * [Brandon332](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505366 ): I ve defended Tesla to the end of the earth but for what it s worth I am completely let down in this case. * [MotoEvCA](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505430 ): Many lady friend passengers of mine like the feel of Alcantara. They can tell the difference when they touch it. Tesla needs to make this right. * [garywallace](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505511 ): To me this is a major disappointment. * [insaneoctane](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505634 ): Totally disappointed. Totally unacceptable. & nbsp **Model 3 interior closeup photos:** [Alcantara](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505084 ) [Textile](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505421 ) [Both](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505482 ) & nbsp **What should Tesla do?** They should start making the Model 3 without PUP and use the textile material for that. There are plenty of people waiting in line to get the Model 3 LR without PUP. & nbsp **Links** * [r teslamotors Model 3 headliner is now textile except the alcantara visors](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pkksd model_3_headliner_is_now_textile_except_the ) * [r teslamotors Possible change from Alcantara to Cloth on Premium Package Model 3?](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pdiyo possible_change_from_alcantara_to_cloth_on ) * [Teslamotorsclub.com Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP??? ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads change-from-alcantara-to-cloth-on-pup.105963 ) * [forums.tesla.com What happened to the Alcantara Headliner?](https: forums.tesla.com forum forums what-happened-alcantara-headliner) * [Electrek.co Tesla updates Model 3 interior with new headliner material](https: electrek.co 2018 01 11 tesla-updates-model-3-interior-new-material ) & nbsp **Update 1:** Here is Tesla s statement and my comments: > As we continue to increase production of Model 3 and produce more high-quality cars for customers all Model 3 vehicles are being made with the same premium textile headliner found in our flagship Model S and Model X vehicles ... [Source](https: electrek.co 2018 01 11 tesla-updates-model-3-interior-new-material ) This could mean one of two things: ~~1. The Model 3 with PUP will have a textile headliner like the Model S X without PUP.~~ [see the next update] 2. The Model S X with PUP have also just lost out on Alcantara. & nbsp > ... which has always been planned at this stage of production. [Source](https: electrek.co 2018 01 11 tesla-updates-model-3-interior-new-material ) The photos [here](https: imgur.com a t8Upe) show a newly delivered Model 3 with textile sun visors but the vanity mirror flaps are still Alcantara. This doesn t look like a planned change. It looks more like they suddenly lost the supplier and scrambled to find an alternative. & nbsp **Update 2:** u teslafolife has received the following communication from Tesla: > Alcantara is no longer available. Right now we are producing our vehicles with the premium textile headliner! All of our S X and 3s from now on will have this textile headliner! Apologies for the confusion earlier! [Source](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pqa7u no_tesla_did_not_stop_using_alcantara_on_the dsj68t0 ) This shows that Alcantara was just discontinued for the Model S X with PUP too. Another person reported the same thing [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2506923 ). | My pet theory why they had a supplier that stopped talking to them (Tesla) after about 2 000 vehicles [from my reply on TMC](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2506102 ): Months ago Tesla ordered tens of thousands of parts in supplier contracts. Tesla told suppliers to get ready for a massive production run because we re going to be making tens of thousands of cars each month . A fair number of companies literally grew in size just to accommodate Tesla s gargantuan part orders. This did involve some risk on the supplier s part. But Tesla s estimate was quite quite wrong. The original ramp was a complete failure. They expected 5 000 Alcantara headliners this week and the supplier expected to be paid for 5 000 Alcantara headliners. **But Tesla doesn t have that payment** because they haven t made much less sold 5 000 Model 3s in the past six months much less this past week. So they cancelled part orders and supplier contracts. A ton. Tens of thousands. **They had to**. **They have no revenue** to make payments nor a place to store nearly 20 000 units each of every part in a Model 3 which Elon claims has thousands of unique parts. These are **millions** of parts. So the Alcantara supplier likely said Yeah if you cancel this massive production contract we spent months preparing for we are not interested in ramping back up just for you because who knows if your next estimate is right? Find someone else. And Tesla hasn t found someone else. EDIT: LMAO update from Tesla. This is a pathetic bait-and-switch by Tesla and an absolutely inane reply: > As we continue to increase production of Model 3 and produce more high quality cars for customers all Model 3 vehicles are being made with the same premium textile headliner found in our flagship Model S and Model X vehicles **which has always been planned at this stage of production**. If it was always planned where the fuck was the communication about it? | As a LR Non-PUP person I support your solution. I suspect there may be other issues in the way of that :) I don t have nay insight as to what they might be but I can hope there are none and I can start ordering soon! | 131 | 4 | 1,953 |
7pomtp | 409 | Tesla Model 3 Alcantara controversy explained TLDR: Model 3 with PUP has no longer Alcantara because of supplier issues. & nbsp **What happened?** Tesla changed the Alcantara headliner to cloth in Model 3s that have the $5 000 Premium Upgrades Package (PUP). Tesla s Model 3 photos on their website still show Alcantara. They didn t say anything about this change. Some buyers found out about it yesterday (9 Jan 2018) when they went to pick up their new Model 3. All Model 3 production is now textile. Apparently Tesla has problems with the supplier. The following was posted today (10 Jan) on TMC [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505472 ). > Well I ve had my S for over 2yrs now. I was picking it up from service. But better late than never right? Anyway I talked to a couple of people regarding the Alcantara issue. One person explained to me that they had a supplier that stopped talking to them (Tesla) after about 2 000 vehicles. & nbsp **What is Alcantara?** It s a suede-like synthetic material that looks like [this](https: i.imgur.com 7QWQjUk.jpg). See the Wikipedia page [here](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Alcantara_(material). & nbsp **Where does Tesla use Alcantara in the Model 3?** Check out the image [here](https: i.imgur.com Mw9eSpQ.jpg). They use it on the headliner pillars sun visors and door liners. The door liners have black Alcantara while the rest is light grey. & nbsp **Did Tesla advertise the Model 3 with Alcantara?** * Yes. [This](https: i.imgur.com q4WPuk1.jpg) photo was one of Tesla s presskit photos. [Dailymail](http: www.dailymail.co.uk sciencetech article-4747280 Elon-Musk-unveils-Tesla-Model-3-interior-no-dashboard.html) [Businessinsider](http: www.businessinsider.com tesla-model-3-first-drive-2017-7?r=US& IR=T) [Fortune](http: fortune.com 2017 07 29 tesla-model-3-handover ) [TheVerge](https: www.theverge.com 2017 7 29 16060330 tesla-model-3-production-release-date-price-controls-2017) [Bloomberg](https: www.bloomberg.com news articles 2017-07-31 driving-tesla-s-model-3-changes-everything) [Cleantechnica](https: cleantechnica.com 2017 08 06 tesla-model-3-vs-22-competitors-straight-specs ) [Jalopnik](https: jalopnik.com the-tesla-model-3-long-range-trim-can-go-310-miles-on-a-1797356952) run articles using that photo. You can access Tesla s presskit using the link and password on the right side-panel [here](https: www.tesla.com presskit). * [This](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB) photo in the Model 3 configurator shows Alcantara. Also see [this](https: i.imgur.com jS5gMus.png) screenshot from the configurator. * However the description for Premium Upgrades Package doesn t specifically mention Alcantara. It says premium materials throughout . See the first bullet point item on the left side [here](https: youtu.be kzAg5O-NzVY?t=205). & nbsp **When did this change happen?** The change in the production line must have happened in the last 5-7 days considering that the first reports emerged yesterday (9 Jan) [here](https: forums.tesla.com forum forums what-happened-alcantara-headliner). The Model 3 s delivered until yesterday had Alcantara. & nbsp **What is the problem?** Tesla was advertising (and still does) the Alcantara headliner in their photos. Model 3 s delivered until yesterday had Alcantara. It was the only option. The $5 000 PUP says premium materials throughout . All Model 3 review videos until now showed Alcantara. Buyers had a reasonable expectation to have Alcantara in their Model 3. & nbsp **What are some of the notable reactions?** * [voip-ninja](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2504042 ): What are they going to put in the standard version to justify that the PUP is upgraded linoleum? * [Brandon332](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505366 ): I ve defended Tesla to the end of the earth but for what it s worth I am completely let down in this case. * [MotoEvCA](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505430 ): Many lady friend passengers of mine like the feel of Alcantara. They can tell the difference when they touch it. Tesla needs to make this right. * [garywallace](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505511 ): To me this is a major disappointment. * [insaneoctane](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505634 ): Totally disappointed. Totally unacceptable. & nbsp **Model 3 interior closeup photos:** [Alcantara](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505084 ) [Textile](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505421 ) [Both](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505482 ) & nbsp **What should Tesla do?** They should start making the Model 3 without PUP and use the textile material for that. There are plenty of people waiting in line to get the Model 3 LR without PUP. & nbsp **Links** * [r teslamotors Model 3 headliner is now textile except the alcantara visors](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pkksd model_3_headliner_is_now_textile_except_the ) * [r teslamotors Possible change from Alcantara to Cloth on Premium Package Model 3?](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pdiyo possible_change_from_alcantara_to_cloth_on ) * [Teslamotorsclub.com Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP??? ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads change-from-alcantara-to-cloth-on-pup.105963 ) * [forums.tesla.com What happened to the Alcantara Headliner?](https: forums.tesla.com forum forums what-happened-alcantara-headliner) * [Electrek.co Tesla updates Model 3 interior with new headliner material](https: electrek.co 2018 01 11 tesla-updates-model-3-interior-new-material ) & nbsp **Update 1:** Here is Tesla s statement and my comments: > As we continue to increase production of Model 3 and produce more high-quality cars for customers all Model 3 vehicles are being made with the same premium textile headliner found in our flagship Model S and Model X vehicles ... [Source](https: electrek.co 2018 01 11 tesla-updates-model-3-interior-new-material ) This could mean one of two things: ~~1. The Model 3 with PUP will have a textile headliner like the Model S X without PUP.~~ [see the next update] 2. The Model S X with PUP have also just lost out on Alcantara. & nbsp > ... which has always been planned at this stage of production. [Source](https: electrek.co 2018 01 11 tesla-updates-model-3-interior-new-material ) The photos [here](https: imgur.com a t8Upe) show a newly delivered Model 3 with textile sun visors but the vanity mirror flaps are still Alcantara. This doesn t look like a planned change. It looks more like they suddenly lost the supplier and scrambled to find an alternative. & nbsp **Update 2:** u teslafolife has received the following communication from Tesla: > Alcantara is no longer available. Right now we are producing our vehicles with the premium textile headliner! All of our S X and 3s from now on will have this textile headliner! Apologies for the confusion earlier! [Source](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pqa7u no_tesla_did_not_stop_using_alcantara_on_the dsj68t0 ) This shows that Alcantara was just discontinued for the Model S X with PUP too. Another person reported the same thing [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2506923 ). | My pet theory why they had a supplier that stopped talking to them (Tesla) after about 2 000 vehicles [from my reply on TMC](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2506102 ): Months ago Tesla ordered tens of thousands of parts in supplier contracts. Tesla told suppliers to get ready for a massive production run because we re going to be making tens of thousands of cars each month . A fair number of companies literally grew in size just to accommodate Tesla s gargantuan part orders. This did involve some risk on the supplier s part. But Tesla s estimate was quite quite wrong. The original ramp was a complete failure. They expected 5 000 Alcantara headliners this week and the supplier expected to be paid for 5 000 Alcantara headliners. **But Tesla doesn t have that payment** because they haven t made much less sold 5 000 Model 3s in the past six months much less this past week. So they cancelled part orders and supplier contracts. A ton. Tens of thousands. **They had to**. **They have no revenue** to make payments nor a place to store nearly 20 000 units each of every part in a Model 3 which Elon claims has thousands of unique parts. These are **millions** of parts. So the Alcantara supplier likely said Yeah if you cancel this massive production contract we spent months preparing for we are not interested in ramping back up just for you because who knows if your next estimate is right? Find someone else. And Tesla hasn t found someone else. EDIT: LMAO update from Tesla. This is a pathetic bait-and-switch by Tesla and an absolutely inane reply: > As we continue to increase production of Model 3 and produce more high quality cars for customers all Model 3 vehicles are being made with the same premium textile headliner found in our flagship Model S and Model X vehicles **which has always been planned at this stage of production**. If it was always planned where the fuck was the communication about it? | So is there only one supplier that can provide alcantara (or similar)? I did a little research and it doesn t seem like alcantara costs that much more than textile when it comes to headliners. Maybe a couple hundred bucks. For those of you hoping for a price adjustment to PUP because of this don t hold your breath. | 131 | 6 | 1,954 |
7pomtp | 409 | Tesla Model 3 Alcantara controversy explained TLDR: Model 3 with PUP has no longer Alcantara because of supplier issues. & nbsp **What happened?** Tesla changed the Alcantara headliner to cloth in Model 3s that have the $5 000 Premium Upgrades Package (PUP). Tesla s Model 3 photos on their website still show Alcantara. They didn t say anything about this change. Some buyers found out about it yesterday (9 Jan 2018) when they went to pick up their new Model 3. All Model 3 production is now textile. Apparently Tesla has problems with the supplier. The following was posted today (10 Jan) on TMC [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505472 ). > Well I ve had my S for over 2yrs now. I was picking it up from service. But better late than never right? Anyway I talked to a couple of people regarding the Alcantara issue. One person explained to me that they had a supplier that stopped talking to them (Tesla) after about 2 000 vehicles. & nbsp **What is Alcantara?** It s a suede-like synthetic material that looks like [this](https: i.imgur.com 7QWQjUk.jpg). See the Wikipedia page [here](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Alcantara_(material). & nbsp **Where does Tesla use Alcantara in the Model 3?** Check out the image [here](https: i.imgur.com Mw9eSpQ.jpg). They use it on the headliner pillars sun visors and door liners. The door liners have black Alcantara while the rest is light grey. & nbsp **Did Tesla advertise the Model 3 with Alcantara?** * Yes. [This](https: i.imgur.com q4WPuk1.jpg) photo was one of Tesla s presskit photos. [Dailymail](http: www.dailymail.co.uk sciencetech article-4747280 Elon-Musk-unveils-Tesla-Model-3-interior-no-dashboard.html) [Businessinsider](http: www.businessinsider.com tesla-model-3-first-drive-2017-7?r=US& IR=T) [Fortune](http: fortune.com 2017 07 29 tesla-model-3-handover ) [TheVerge](https: www.theverge.com 2017 7 29 16060330 tesla-model-3-production-release-date-price-controls-2017) [Bloomberg](https: www.bloomberg.com news articles 2017-07-31 driving-tesla-s-model-3-changes-everything) [Cleantechnica](https: cleantechnica.com 2017 08 06 tesla-model-3-vs-22-competitors-straight-specs ) [Jalopnik](https: jalopnik.com the-tesla-model-3-long-range-trim-can-go-310-miles-on-a-1797356952) run articles using that photo. You can access Tesla s presskit using the link and password on the right side-panel [here](https: www.tesla.com presskit). * [This](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB) photo in the Model 3 configurator shows Alcantara. Also see [this](https: i.imgur.com jS5gMus.png) screenshot from the configurator. * However the description for Premium Upgrades Package doesn t specifically mention Alcantara. It says premium materials throughout . See the first bullet point item on the left side [here](https: youtu.be kzAg5O-NzVY?t=205). & nbsp **When did this change happen?** The change in the production line must have happened in the last 5-7 days considering that the first reports emerged yesterday (9 Jan) [here](https: forums.tesla.com forum forums what-happened-alcantara-headliner). The Model 3 s delivered until yesterday had Alcantara. & nbsp **What is the problem?** Tesla was advertising (and still does) the Alcantara headliner in their photos. Model 3 s delivered until yesterday had Alcantara. It was the only option. The $5 000 PUP says premium materials throughout . All Model 3 review videos until now showed Alcantara. Buyers had a reasonable expectation to have Alcantara in their Model 3. & nbsp **What are some of the notable reactions?** * [voip-ninja](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2504042 ): What are they going to put in the standard version to justify that the PUP is upgraded linoleum? * [Brandon332](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505366 ): I ve defended Tesla to the end of the earth but for what it s worth I am completely let down in this case. * [MotoEvCA](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505430 ): Many lady friend passengers of mine like the feel of Alcantara. They can tell the difference when they touch it. Tesla needs to make this right. * [garywallace](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505511 ): To me this is a major disappointment. * [insaneoctane](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505634 ): Totally disappointed. Totally unacceptable. & nbsp **Model 3 interior closeup photos:** [Alcantara](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505084 ) [Textile](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505421 ) [Both](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2505482 ) & nbsp **What should Tesla do?** They should start making the Model 3 without PUP and use the textile material for that. There are plenty of people waiting in line to get the Model 3 LR without PUP. & nbsp **Links** * [r teslamotors Model 3 headliner is now textile except the alcantara visors](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pkksd model_3_headliner_is_now_textile_except_the ) * [r teslamotors Possible change from Alcantara to Cloth on Premium Package Model 3?](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pdiyo possible_change_from_alcantara_to_cloth_on ) * [Teslamotorsclub.com Change from alcantara to cloth on PUP??? ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads change-from-alcantara-to-cloth-on-pup.105963 ) * [forums.tesla.com What happened to the Alcantara Headliner?](https: forums.tesla.com forum forums what-happened-alcantara-headliner) * [Electrek.co Tesla updates Model 3 interior with new headliner material](https: electrek.co 2018 01 11 tesla-updates-model-3-interior-new-material ) & nbsp **Update 1:** Here is Tesla s statement and my comments: > As we continue to increase production of Model 3 and produce more high-quality cars for customers all Model 3 vehicles are being made with the same premium textile headliner found in our flagship Model S and Model X vehicles ... [Source](https: electrek.co 2018 01 11 tesla-updates-model-3-interior-new-material ) This could mean one of two things: ~~1. The Model 3 with PUP will have a textile headliner like the Model S X without PUP.~~ [see the next update] 2. The Model S X with PUP have also just lost out on Alcantara. & nbsp > ... which has always been planned at this stage of production. [Source](https: electrek.co 2018 01 11 tesla-updates-model-3-interior-new-material ) The photos [here](https: imgur.com a t8Upe) show a newly delivered Model 3 with textile sun visors but the vanity mirror flaps are still Alcantara. This doesn t look like a planned change. It looks more like they suddenly lost the supplier and scrambled to find an alternative. & nbsp **Update 2:** u teslafolife has received the following communication from Tesla: > Alcantara is no longer available. Right now we are producing our vehicles with the premium textile headliner! All of our S X and 3s from now on will have this textile headliner! Apologies for the confusion earlier! [Source](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7pqa7u no_tesla_did_not_stop_using_alcantara_on_the dsj68t0 ) This shows that Alcantara was just discontinued for the Model S X with PUP too. Another person reported the same thing [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2506923 ). | My pet theory why they had a supplier that stopped talking to them (Tesla) after about 2 000 vehicles [from my reply on TMC](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2506102 ): Months ago Tesla ordered tens of thousands of parts in supplier contracts. Tesla told suppliers to get ready for a massive production run because we re going to be making tens of thousands of cars each month . A fair number of companies literally grew in size just to accommodate Tesla s gargantuan part orders. This did involve some risk on the supplier s part. But Tesla s estimate was quite quite wrong. The original ramp was a complete failure. They expected 5 000 Alcantara headliners this week and the supplier expected to be paid for 5 000 Alcantara headliners. **But Tesla doesn t have that payment** because they haven t made much less sold 5 000 Model 3s in the past six months much less this past week. So they cancelled part orders and supplier contracts. A ton. Tens of thousands. **They had to**. **They have no revenue** to make payments nor a place to store nearly 20 000 units each of every part in a Model 3 which Elon claims has thousands of unique parts. These are **millions** of parts. So the Alcantara supplier likely said Yeah if you cancel this massive production contract we spent months preparing for we are not interested in ramping back up just for you because who knows if your next estimate is right? Find someone else. And Tesla hasn t found someone else. EDIT: LMAO update from Tesla. This is a pathetic bait-and-switch by Tesla and an absolutely inane reply: > As we continue to increase production of Model 3 and produce more high quality cars for customers all Model 3 vehicles are being made with the same premium textile headliner found in our flagship Model S and Model X vehicles **which has always been planned at this stage of production**. If it was always planned where the fuck was the communication about it? | What s the most upvoted twitter comment so we can give it the reddit hug of love? | 131 | 12 | 1,955 |
7psqw2 | 52 | [Discussion] My thoughts on Tesla and the Model 3 issues I just thought I would share my perspective based on everything I ve been seeing and reading lately in r Teslamotors. I ve been in plenty of forums especially Camaro6 (Chevy Camaro) and a common theme I ve observed is problems get a lot of attention quickly and things start to turn negative. I ordered a 2017 Chevy Camaro SS Convertible and while I was waiting I happily jumped on the Camaro6 forums. I read in horror as there were threads complaining about the front windshield fogging up uncontrollably in any humidity and how people were hounding dealers writing corporate etc. only to be ignored. Just nothing. Chevy wouldn t even dignify the problem with a response. I saw pictures where you could barely see through the windshield from all the fog. I was horrified that I placed so much money down on a new car that was going to be unsafe ($50k). People also talked about water leakage breaking alternators screwy electronics etc. I finally get delivery of my Camaro and it was a very happy day. I live in Virginia Beach which is pretty muggy but I read (on the forum) to just put a cloth down on the dash when I use the air conditioner and my window wouldn t fog. I also had one time where the engine sputtered so I had to bring it into the dealership for warranty repair. They found out it was a wiring harness issue. I had to take another car for a weekend trip because of it and I was pretty bummed. Yes it s a $50 000 car but I just love owning it! I love driving with the top down the power the handling Apple CarPlay and all the technology...I could get hung up on all the little things including having to keep a cloth in my glovebox to place on the dash now and then but I just like the car so much I m willing to overlook it. I guess what I m saying is it s not uncommon when making large purchases to come across issues like this. I ve come to learn that nothing is perfect...people aren t perfect...things never work as planned. But if you re willing to have some patience and respectiveness they ll happily work with you to resolve whatever happens. Tesla is growing super-fast and I imagine they re having quite a few growing pains. As time goes by I think they ll work it out to where they re on par with BMW and Mercedes on customer service and reliability. But in the meantime it s not. I am however very happy to be on a 1-2 year waiting list for something exciting new and different. And while it will have its share of problems I ll just be glad to know that one day I ll have an awesome car! | As I see it Tesla s priorities in approximate order are:- 1) Survive Financially. 2) Make products. 3) Design new and improved products. 4) Fund and deploy expansion. 5) Keep customers happy.... It is not that customer happiness isn t on the list just that some things in particular 1) are higher on the list. Adding to the problem is that when problems occur they often are not well handled.... But problems are inevitable the biggest issue was when customers ordered cars with AP1 and got AP2..... But looking at the big picture Tesla had no other alternative so they can t avoid problems the issue is how to best handle problems when they arise .... they can get better and they should get better .... But that brings us back to 1) Survive Financially - when Model 3 Solar Roof and Storage battery income lands we may see a revised list of priories. 1) Design new and improved products. 2) Keep customers happy.... 3) Fund and deploy expansion. 4) Make products. 5) Survive Financially. Should the happy day of this revised set of priorities occur Tesla will handle this type of issue much better .. IMO it should be a year or 2 away .. it is worth being patient and hoping it arrives. | given my awesome experence at the burbank service center today i agree with that last statement. | 32 | 4 | 1,956 |
7pt1du | 36 | For all those upset about the headliner debacle Please please PLEASE tweet about it. If enough of us make a ruckus about it on Twitter they will be forced to make it right. They can t just stop including a material in the PUP without making some kind of a change to price. And by that I mean that obviously they can but we shouldn t let them. edit: it s been brought to my attention that alcantara isn t expensive which makes a cost adjustment seem silly. | I think ultimately the issue is overblown. I know that this will not be the popular opinion of the majority but I see people asking for a huge discount all because the headliner will be cloth. The PUP includes many other luxury benefits excluding the headliner. I m not saying that I condone changes made without expressing the situation first however I just don t find it that big a deal. When is the last time someone looked up at their headliner and said “damn that s premium material” I ll bet never. Besides once you glance upward and see the view out of that beautiful roof the material of the headliner will melt away. Just my $0.02. | Hear! Hear! | 60 | 4 | 1,957 |
7pt1du | 36 | For all those upset about the headliner debacle Please please PLEASE tweet about it. If enough of us make a ruckus about it on Twitter they will be forced to make it right. They can t just stop including a material in the PUP without making some kind of a change to price. And by that I mean that obviously they can but we shouldn t let them. edit: it s been brought to my attention that alcantara isn t expensive which makes a cost adjustment seem silly. | I think ultimately the issue is overblown. I know that this will not be the popular opinion of the majority but I see people asking for a huge discount all because the headliner will be cloth. The PUP includes many other luxury benefits excluding the headliner. I m not saying that I condone changes made without expressing the situation first however I just don t find it that big a deal. When is the last time someone looked up at their headliner and said “damn that s premium material” I ll bet never. Besides once you glance upward and see the view out of that beautiful roof the material of the headliner will melt away. Just my $0.02. | I think to put this issue to rest: - Clarification from Elon and PR regarding if this is a hiccup or not. (i.e is this temporary and retrofits to come or is this the direction they are going — and if this textile liner is also on the SR trim) - A direction from Elon and John McNeill on the price point of the PUP. 2k+ people received what is perceived by many as a much more luxurious interior. My personal opinion is that I want a slight adjustment in the PUP price. Why should my buddy Bay Area pay the same and have a nicer interior? Not riffing on him but using as an example. | 60 | 19 | 1,958 |
7pt5wq | 195 | Response from Tesla executive review (Alcantara textile issue) > As we continue to increase production of Model 3 and produce more high quality cars for customers all Model 3 vehicles are being made with the same premium textile headliner found in our flagship Model S and Model X vehicles which has always been planned at this stage of production. The Model 3 is a great car and the premium package (PUP) retains premium finishes throughout the cabin and benefits from a variety of other functional enhancements including premium audio upgraded side mirrors and heated front and rear seats. > This is the product that we are making going forward and we did not communicate that customers would receive a specific material. We made this transition in S X some time ago and have been referring to this material as a Premium Headliner in those vehicles.The current material is also a premium headliner but with a different texture where durability has remain unchanged and this is our product that we stand behind. > I hope this helps clear things up for you and my apologies if it was not the exact response you desired. Thank you for being part of our growing Tesla family! TDLR We ve been doing it to the S X and when we vaguely referenced premium materials we essentially cleared ourselves of all wrongdoing. No apology or acceptance of wrongdoing (shocker) | Hah typical Tesla... we changed shit around from what we showed you but it s your fault for reading into those pictures and early production models and assuming that s what you d get. How about they just apologize for not telling people about the change say the new material is great and drop the passive-aggressive act? | I just [saw a comment on TMC with the same text](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2507270 ) (is that you)? I m at least excited that this is one more piece of evidence for heated rear seats. But yeah the whole thing is weird - although I would personally prefer textured cloth over fake suede it s just weird to switch up materials without telling customers. And some people got mixed textiles like a mirror cover in fake suede and visor in cloth. | 124 | 7 | 1,959 |
7pt5wq | 195 | Response from Tesla executive review (Alcantara textile issue) > As we continue to increase production of Model 3 and produce more high quality cars for customers all Model 3 vehicles are being made with the same premium textile headliner found in our flagship Model S and Model X vehicles which has always been planned at this stage of production. The Model 3 is a great car and the premium package (PUP) retains premium finishes throughout the cabin and benefits from a variety of other functional enhancements including premium audio upgraded side mirrors and heated front and rear seats. > This is the product that we are making going forward and we did not communicate that customers would receive a specific material. We made this transition in S X some time ago and have been referring to this material as a Premium Headliner in those vehicles.The current material is also a premium headliner but with a different texture where durability has remain unchanged and this is our product that we stand behind. > I hope this helps clear things up for you and my apologies if it was not the exact response you desired. Thank you for being part of our growing Tesla family! TDLR We ve been doing it to the S X and when we vaguely referenced premium materials we essentially cleared ourselves of all wrongdoing. No apology or acceptance of wrongdoing (shocker) | Hah typical Tesla... we changed shit around from what we showed you but it s your fault for reading into those pictures and early production models and assuming that s what you d get. How about they just apologize for not telling people about the change say the new material is great and drop the passive-aggressive act? | So if this has been in the S X for a while now what was the commotion about? | 124 | 11 | 1,960 |
7pt5wq | 195 | Response from Tesla executive review (Alcantara textile issue) > As we continue to increase production of Model 3 and produce more high quality cars for customers all Model 3 vehicles are being made with the same premium textile headliner found in our flagship Model S and Model X vehicles which has always been planned at this stage of production. The Model 3 is a great car and the premium package (PUP) retains premium finishes throughout the cabin and benefits from a variety of other functional enhancements including premium audio upgraded side mirrors and heated front and rear seats. > This is the product that we are making going forward and we did not communicate that customers would receive a specific material. We made this transition in S X some time ago and have been referring to this material as a Premium Headliner in those vehicles.The current material is also a premium headliner but with a different texture where durability has remain unchanged and this is our product that we stand behind. > I hope this helps clear things up for you and my apologies if it was not the exact response you desired. Thank you for being part of our growing Tesla family! TDLR We ve been doing it to the S X and when we vaguely referenced premium materials we essentially cleared ourselves of all wrongdoing. No apology or acceptance of wrongdoing (shocker) | > This is the product that we are making going forward and we did not communicate that customers would receive a specific material. The arrogance of this statement just pushed me to either switch to a base Model 3 or put me into an M240i S3 or other premium compact performance sedan. They re going to play this game they re going to find out the hard way that mainstream vehicle customers aren t going to put up with these kind of amateur hour business practices. How stupid of us consumers to assume we were going to get what has been shown in numerous photos and viewings of actual production vehicles! Love how they claim this change was always part of their master plan. We always planned on using synthetic suede and then arbitrarily and without warning switch the material to something completely different and found in ordinary non-premium vehicles. | Gah. I still don t like how they handled that even with that response (still thanks for posting OP) or thought they could slide that through. That s not a good relationship with their loyal or new customers. Bloody disappointed my 3 won t have alcantara. I absolutely love the stuff. Back to scanning my inbox for a config email | 69 | 2 | 1,961 |
7pwgtp | 204 | Got into an accident with Autopilot enabled yesterday. Driving my pretty new MX on the highway home in fairly heavy traffic. On a section of the highway adjacent to an exit-only lane on my left so traffic in that lane was moving quite a bit faster. I m going perhaps 15mph in my lane when a semi truck apparently realized that he didn t want to get off the exit in the exit-only lane and starts trying to overtake me - my spacing was set to 3 or 4 so apparently he thought this was enough gap to muscle in. I didn t realize he s already going for it and didn t have room in the heavy traffic to shift a lane in time and by the time I move my foot to manually brake the cab had overtaken me and his trailer smashes into my passenger rear view mirror destroying it. Luckily I had just enough room to swerve so really all he got was the mirror (which unfortunately also caused the window to shatter - thank fuck it was the unoccupied passenger side). I was kind of surprised there was no kind of emergency braking or detection of the oncoming cab but it had only just started encroaching into my lane. I m obviously not blaming AP for the accident and generally feel this is 100% on the truck driver for merging in when he didn t have a clear gap but I wonder if there s any way to get this data over to Tesla so they can make use of it? | Call them. Mention that you were in an accidental with Autopilot ended. Also mention that you don t blame Autopilot as it was obviously the other guys fault but want the engineers to see the data to potentially help others in the future. Also mention that no matter what you want to make sure the data is saved in case it ends up useful in court (if you or your insurance company is thinking of suing) | As I understand it you are saying the Autopilot did not drive into something it is more like you (and me too for that matter) would have expected a warning or a maneuver right? | 271 | 17 | 1,962 |
7pwgtp | 204 | Got into an accident with Autopilot enabled yesterday. Driving my pretty new MX on the highway home in fairly heavy traffic. On a section of the highway adjacent to an exit-only lane on my left so traffic in that lane was moving quite a bit faster. I m going perhaps 15mph in my lane when a semi truck apparently realized that he didn t want to get off the exit in the exit-only lane and starts trying to overtake me - my spacing was set to 3 or 4 so apparently he thought this was enough gap to muscle in. I didn t realize he s already going for it and didn t have room in the heavy traffic to shift a lane in time and by the time I move my foot to manually brake the cab had overtaken me and his trailer smashes into my passenger rear view mirror destroying it. Luckily I had just enough room to swerve so really all he got was the mirror (which unfortunately also caused the window to shatter - thank fuck it was the unoccupied passenger side). I was kind of surprised there was no kind of emergency braking or detection of the oncoming cab but it had only just started encroaching into my lane. I m obviously not blaming AP for the accident and generally feel this is 100% on the truck driver for merging in when he didn t have a clear gap but I wonder if there s any way to get this data over to Tesla so they can make use of it? | Please invest in a $100 dashcam for insurance or reporting to Tesla. I use one with dual cams from Vantrue and the footage is awesome. | Who got the ticket? | 71 | 3 | 1,963 |
7pwgtp | 204 | Got into an accident with Autopilot enabled yesterday. Driving my pretty new MX on the highway home in fairly heavy traffic. On a section of the highway adjacent to an exit-only lane on my left so traffic in that lane was moving quite a bit faster. I m going perhaps 15mph in my lane when a semi truck apparently realized that he didn t want to get off the exit in the exit-only lane and starts trying to overtake me - my spacing was set to 3 or 4 so apparently he thought this was enough gap to muscle in. I didn t realize he s already going for it and didn t have room in the heavy traffic to shift a lane in time and by the time I move my foot to manually brake the cab had overtaken me and his trailer smashes into my passenger rear view mirror destroying it. Luckily I had just enough room to swerve so really all he got was the mirror (which unfortunately also caused the window to shatter - thank fuck it was the unoccupied passenger side). I was kind of surprised there was no kind of emergency braking or detection of the oncoming cab but it had only just started encroaching into my lane. I m obviously not blaming AP for the accident and generally feel this is 100% on the truck driver for merging in when he didn t have a clear gap but I wonder if there s any way to get this data over to Tesla so they can make use of it? | Please invest in a $100 dashcam for insurance or reporting to Tesla. I use one with dual cams from Vantrue and the footage is awesome. | What kind of truck? What AP version 2? I know that 18 wheelers are hard to detect from the trailer side specially if it s an empty trailer. I have AP1 and there s been two instances where the car shifts to avoid an object while I m driving with AP disabled. Which is very surprising. | 71 | 7 | 1,964 |
7pxtma | 37 | Breaking down the upgrade package Premium Upgrades Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs 12-way power adjustable front seats steering column and side mirrors with custom driver profiles Premium audio system with more power tweeters surround speakers and subwoofer Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection Auto dimming power folding heated side mirrors LED fog lamps Center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones So lets look at this in a rational form. Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs - So mot Luxary cars have leather as standard wood accents are normally extra. Close to 1k Premium audio system with more power tweeters surround speakers and subwoofer - updated sound system ranges from company to company. Lexus charges $2800 on the IS 300 for for navigation and upgraded sound Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection - not sure how many cars have this option available. I think its an option in the model S for $1500. Auto dimming power folding heated side mirrors - checked audi. doesn t look like the A4 has these available. lets say $500. Center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones - honestly this is likely only a $25 dollar upgrade. On the audi A4 there is an option to upgrade to black cloth headliner. for $500.. So these upgrades taken piece by piece would likely cost closer to 6k That doesn t include this alcantara gate. I am just taking the Audi lexus and BMW most closely associated with the model 3. IMO even without the Alcantara headliner i think the PUP is very worth it and a good deal. But that is just my opinion. | A) some people got more for the same money. B) it s the how it happened as much as anything. No announcement no heads-up to the people taking delivery no anything. They just hoped people wouldn t notice or care. They didn t even bother to match parts on some cars. Then they post a tone deaf response that basically blames us for thinking that 2075748 pictures of alcantara interiors 4763 reviews that mention it and 2000 cars on the road with it don t in any way what so ever imply car 2001 would have it when that person showed up to take it home. Basically We never used the *word* alcantara anywhere so fuck off . The gist of the post is fine. I d like to pick and choose probably but as a whole package it is indeed probably cheaper than a la carte. However I think this issue has to do more with this the we have the right to replace anything we didn t explicitly specify the material of with used wrapping paper if we want to and you ll thank us for the honor when you show up to collect what you ve already paid for attitude from Tesla has taken the shine off the apple for some people and been the final straw for others and I don t think they re acting unreasonably. We could use a little realism around here. Tesla is a billion dollar company with an eye on the bottom line and there s nothing wrong with that but maybe we can stop the sainthood process now. | > Lexus charges $2800 on the IS 300 for for navigation and upgraded sound Quick question... does the IS 300 have the Mark Levinson sound system? Because if so It may be worth $5 000 in comparison to the sound of the Model 3 premium sound (relatively speaking). In other words the Levinson system might be so much better than the Model 3 sound that you would have to spend all the money to rip out the Tesla system and put something better in it order to have equivalent sound. I have *heard* the stereo in the Model 3 but I didn t *listen* to the stereo in the Model 3 so I m not sure where it falls on a level of acceptability or not or in comparison to the upgraded IS300. I have heard the Levinson sound system in some of the higher end Lexuses and I find it to be pretty darn good. But if you start trying to compare what you re getting in the Model 3 and what you re getting in the A4 or IS 300 you re going to have a bad time. The alcantara was one of the details that actually did go a long way to justifying the minimalist interior as premium. And as much as I think I d get eye cancer sitting in the 2018 A4 interior I can t say the materials aren t *nice*. Or that the stuff doesn t work as it should. Or that there s any concern about it being too cheap. | 64 | 14 | 1,965 |
7q03b3 | 65 | EPA Filing for 2018 Model 3 shows slight efficiency bump I found the EPA posting for the 2018 Model 3 Long Range earlier today. Screenshot here: https: twitter.com hoonable status 951826189756313600 This is what I could see when comparing it to the 2017 listing: -Only the Long Range model has an entry -Now rated for 130 MPGe vs 126 MPGe for 2017 -Consumption has improved by 1kWH per 100 miles -Luggage volume has decreased by 2 cubic feet -240V Charging is listed as 2 hours shorter -Both listed with 80A Dual Charger The EPA Listing for the Model S 75 also appeared today: https: twitter.com hoonable status 951825369451192320 | The efficiency increase is due to the weight reduction from not using Alcantara. | that s awesome! shouldn t that translate to better EPA range? but its still 310 | 154 | 6 | 1,966 |
7q7dgz | 23 | I need help understanding my Model Xs heavy battery depreciation during vacation and “Check Charge Power” charging error. [Solved] I have 2 100D Model X s charged to a full 95% and stored in a heated garage (70degrees) before traveling overseas. I plugged in to 2 separate outlets via the included 110 charging cable on both to “trickle charge” and set the limit to 50%. I haven t had the chance to install the stronger chargers yet. Now that I m traveling back home... The cars have both lost about 115+ miles of charge over 15 days. I set the charge limit to 100% and the Tesla App says “Ready to Charge. Check Charge Power” and is still losing about 8 miles per day. The garage is temperature controlled the app says the interior temps of the cars are 69 degrees. It s been 24 since I set the charge limit to 100%.. Charging at 0 m h 0 V 0 72 A I need help understanding the loss of battery in these conditions and why my cars won t charge. Also I don t know how much access to internet I ll have to reply to any further requests for information while traveling but I ll try my best. :) Edit: not depreciation I am talking about battery discharging* sorry Edit 2: I m choosing to charge to 100% in these last 2 days because the heated garage is about 200 miles from my Home. Couple that with the subzero temps I think I ll need as much Charge as I can get. Final Edit: Thanks for all the incredible feedback! I m gonna be tweaking the settings to drain less power. My “always connected” and “smart preconditioning” was on. As far as the charging issue. When I got to my vehicles I saw that the power had been tripped for the garage. Upon reset the cars charging ports would light up and draw power causing the circuit to trip again. This wasn t apparent when I left because the cars were plugged in but did not need to charge. Thanks again guys! | You are plugged into 120 V right? Since the car reports 0 Volts one possibility is that it has tripped the house s circuit breaker. If both outlets are on the same breaker then this becomes likely since each car can draw 15 Amps. | 8 miles a day is high... are you waking these up all the time to check state of charge? Is always connected checked? Two different outlets doesn t mean two different circuits. Matter of fact most garages don t have separate circuits. So likely you plugged two 1 200 watt charging devices into a circuit that can handle 1 200 watts. Which then tripped it or at least the Tesla s refused to charge from it. | 28 | 2 | 1,967 |
7q8n9t | 204 | Voice commands is something no one seems to be talking about What I mean by this is that I hear people complaining they have to control things from the screen but through a very easy* software update you could: * Telsa Turn on my seat heater. (Uses the camera seat sensor to know you are the one speaking) * Tesla set radio to 90.5 fm * Tesla set the temperature to 70 degrees * Tesla increase speed to 70 mph * Tesla turn on rear heated seats * Tesla enable wiper maintenance mode So many possibilities surprised we haven t seen more of this from Tesla. | Thank you. I keep saying this in threads and getting a deafening silence in response. Extending your suggestions how about using voice to specify what the steering wheel buttons are currently programmed for would be another huge step forward and would silence many critics. | This is the ultimate answer to all the complaints that there are no buttons and a screen is a distraction to driving. I know some commands are available the rest seems inevitable. Edit: [elon tweet](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 952750646406426624) | 61 | 29 | 1,968 |
7q9gjt | 175 | The Tesla destination charger at my hotel is ICE d so I plugged in to a ChargePoint. It charges at just 6 mph and costs $4 hr. I am 144 miles from a full charge which means 24 hrs and $96! I unplugged and will just hit a supercharger on the way home. | ChargePoint price gouging and it s not even full level 2 speed. | Good lord so it s a 3 kW charger? That s insane. About half the slowest level 2 charger I ve ever seen in the wild. | 34 | 4 | 1,969 |
7q9gjt | 175 | The Tesla destination charger at my hotel is ICE d so I plugged in to a ChargePoint. It charges at just 6 mph and costs $4 hr. I am 144 miles from a full charge which means 24 hrs and $96! I unplugged and will just hit a supercharger on the way home. | ChargePoint price gouging and it s not even full level 2 speed. | There are multiple posts asking why it didn t charge per kWh instead of charging by minute or hour. I thought I d reply at this level to save replying to each of those separately. u kgunnar u rameezmpe I don t know the exact laws and if Chargepoint is affected by the same list of states but for Supercharging the information I wanted to quote is: https: www.tesla.com support supercharging > In North America pricing is fixed within each state or province. Internationally pricing is fixed within each country. All prices include taxes and fees. > Where possible owners are billed per kWh (kilowatt-hour) which is the most fair and simple method. In other areas we bill for the service per minute. > When billing per minute there are two tiers to account for changes in charging speeds called “tier 1” and “tier 2”. > * Tier 1 applies while cars are charging at or below 60 kW and tier 2 applies while cars are charging above 60 kW. Tier 1 is half the cost of tier 2. > * Tier 1 also applies anytime your vehicle is sharing Supercharger power with another car. change the state to any of these to see per minute rates: * Alabama * Arizona * Connecticut * Delaware * Georgia * Indiana * Iowa * Kansas * Kentucky * Louisiana * Michigan * Mississippi * Missouri * Montana * Nebraska * Nevada * New Hampshire * New Jersey * New Mexico * North Carolina * Ohio * Oklahoma * Pennsylvania * Rhode Island * South Carolina * South Dakota * Tennessee * Texas * Vermont * Wisconsin * Wyoming ~3 5ths or roughly 60% of the states don t allow Tesla to charge per kWh. I would assume the list would be similar for Chargepoint. | 34 | 6 | 1,970 |
7qe5nb | 186 | 1 week experience with model 3 compared to Model S I have put in a week worth of driving into my Model 3 as of today. There are things I like and things I am really disliking. On the like side: The drive is superior to my 2013 S unquestionably. Curves are tighter handling is more precise. Stereo is a definite upgrade from the S (Had the upgraded tech package on the S). The 310 mile range is a nice bonus (not have taken in long distance yet). Rear seats are spacious. The interior feels very well made. No rattles or sounds though the cabin noise feels slightly more than the S. I m liking the keyless entry. One less thing to carry in my pocket. I do not bother carrying the backup entry cards with me just use my phone. has worked flawlessly. On the dislike side: I am hating the center console. In particular the layout of the GPS really sucks IMO. I was so used to the heads up display on the S that I would put my nav on mute and know what to do next. But the Nav panel on the 3 is on the far right side and unlike the S it is not tilted to the driver. So you really have to strain your eyes to see what it is saying. I wish I could just tilt the screen. I have now made multiple driving mistakes because I put the Nav on mute. I have to unmute it. I hope there is a software fix coming soon to move the nav turn by turn to the left side of the screen. I am really hating this. I have no idea how this could ve passed a usability review. On a related note I am used to the nav cutting out the radio when it is giving instructions but right now it does not. A minor irritant. The Nav - and software in general - is buggy to boot. I have had to reboot the console thrice already. For 2 days it insisted that I was in Page Mill road in Palo Alto when I was 20 miles from there. Reboot fixed it. I received a call while listening to the radio. No more radio after the call hung up. Another reboot. The autopilot is really experimental and not to be trusted much at this point. Seems to do fine on straight roads and part of it is getting to a point to trust it. I have learned not to turn it on if you are in the exit lane - it is unsure if it should exit or not (chooses to exit often) and you have to correct it. Today I turned on the indicator to exit (by changing lanes) and it got completely confused moving between two lanes. I had to take over. Bottom line: I am very wary of the autopilot. Disengage prior to exiting. Inconsistent lane changing. It seems the autopilot requires you to jiggle the wheel every now and then to show that you have hands on your wheel. I like to rest my elbow on the door and hold the steering wheel on the left - it has no idea that I am in fact holding the wheel.. so I need to jiggle it every now and then or the display starts flashing blue. I am not a fan of the door handles thus far. I loved the auto presentation of handles on the S. This is far more difficult to get used to - my wife who has small hands care even less for it. For those with Model S the trunk and frunk space is far more restricted as might be expected. But they are well designed. I am still trying to get used to the UI which is significantly different and feels less intuitive at this point. Overall it is a very satisfactory experience other than the nav which I am really disliking. I hope they give an option soon to move the turn by turn directions to the left side soon. edit: clarified that I meant trunk and frunk space are smaller Edit 2: also scheduled charging is not available currently. Edit 3 3 weeks in: Software is not just bad - It is an absolute POS. I reboot the center console about every other day due to various reasons - GPS flaking out audio stops working phone calls do not go through. I am now carrying my keycard around because this morning it refused to move to drive (car unlocked ok). Had to use the key card to make it. Climate control does not turn off - keeps going and chews through the battery. Always manually turn off climate control. | > I do not bother carrying the backup entry cards with me just use my phone. has worked flawlessly. That seems like a terrible idea to me. Your phone s battery could die. You could lose or break the phone. You could forget your phone in the car. Way too many scenarios where you would be stuck if something happened. I don t see why you wouldn t just keep the credit card key in your wallet. | All Tesla s with autopilot require jiggling the steering wheel if it doesn t know your holding it. It s a safety feature that will likely stay. | 64 | 12 | 1,971 |
7qe5nb | 186 | 1 week experience with model 3 compared to Model S I have put in a week worth of driving into my Model 3 as of today. There are things I like and things I am really disliking. On the like side: The drive is superior to my 2013 S unquestionably. Curves are tighter handling is more precise. Stereo is a definite upgrade from the S (Had the upgraded tech package on the S). The 310 mile range is a nice bonus (not have taken in long distance yet). Rear seats are spacious. The interior feels very well made. No rattles or sounds though the cabin noise feels slightly more than the S. I m liking the keyless entry. One less thing to carry in my pocket. I do not bother carrying the backup entry cards with me just use my phone. has worked flawlessly. On the dislike side: I am hating the center console. In particular the layout of the GPS really sucks IMO. I was so used to the heads up display on the S that I would put my nav on mute and know what to do next. But the Nav panel on the 3 is on the far right side and unlike the S it is not tilted to the driver. So you really have to strain your eyes to see what it is saying. I wish I could just tilt the screen. I have now made multiple driving mistakes because I put the Nav on mute. I have to unmute it. I hope there is a software fix coming soon to move the nav turn by turn to the left side of the screen. I am really hating this. I have no idea how this could ve passed a usability review. On a related note I am used to the nav cutting out the radio when it is giving instructions but right now it does not. A minor irritant. The Nav - and software in general - is buggy to boot. I have had to reboot the console thrice already. For 2 days it insisted that I was in Page Mill road in Palo Alto when I was 20 miles from there. Reboot fixed it. I received a call while listening to the radio. No more radio after the call hung up. Another reboot. The autopilot is really experimental and not to be trusted much at this point. Seems to do fine on straight roads and part of it is getting to a point to trust it. I have learned not to turn it on if you are in the exit lane - it is unsure if it should exit or not (chooses to exit often) and you have to correct it. Today I turned on the indicator to exit (by changing lanes) and it got completely confused moving between two lanes. I had to take over. Bottom line: I am very wary of the autopilot. Disengage prior to exiting. Inconsistent lane changing. It seems the autopilot requires you to jiggle the wheel every now and then to show that you have hands on your wheel. I like to rest my elbow on the door and hold the steering wheel on the left - it has no idea that I am in fact holding the wheel.. so I need to jiggle it every now and then or the display starts flashing blue. I am not a fan of the door handles thus far. I loved the auto presentation of handles on the S. This is far more difficult to get used to - my wife who has small hands care even less for it. For those with Model S the trunk and frunk space is far more restricted as might be expected. But they are well designed. I am still trying to get used to the UI which is significantly different and feels less intuitive at this point. Overall it is a very satisfactory experience other than the nav which I am really disliking. I hope they give an option soon to move the turn by turn directions to the left side soon. edit: clarified that I meant trunk and frunk space are smaller Edit 2: also scheduled charging is not available currently. Edit 3 3 weeks in: Software is not just bad - It is an absolute POS. I reboot the center console about every other day due to various reasons - GPS flaking out audio stops working phone calls do not go through. I am now carrying my keycard around because this morning it refused to move to drive (car unlocked ok). Had to use the key card to make it. Climate control does not turn off - keeps going and chews through the battery. Always manually turn off climate control. | > I do not bother carrying the backup entry cards with me just use my phone. has worked flawlessly. That seems like a terrible idea to me. Your phone s battery could die. You could lose or break the phone. You could forget your phone in the car. Way too many scenarios where you would be stuck if something happened. I don t see why you wouldn t just keep the credit card key in your wallet. | It s always a good sign if all the good things are hardware and all the bad things software! Software can (and will) be fixed. | 64 | 13 | 1,972 |
7qe5nb | 186 | 1 week experience with model 3 compared to Model S I have put in a week worth of driving into my Model 3 as of today. There are things I like and things I am really disliking. On the like side: The drive is superior to my 2013 S unquestionably. Curves are tighter handling is more precise. Stereo is a definite upgrade from the S (Had the upgraded tech package on the S). The 310 mile range is a nice bonus (not have taken in long distance yet). Rear seats are spacious. The interior feels very well made. No rattles or sounds though the cabin noise feels slightly more than the S. I m liking the keyless entry. One less thing to carry in my pocket. I do not bother carrying the backup entry cards with me just use my phone. has worked flawlessly. On the dislike side: I am hating the center console. In particular the layout of the GPS really sucks IMO. I was so used to the heads up display on the S that I would put my nav on mute and know what to do next. But the Nav panel on the 3 is on the far right side and unlike the S it is not tilted to the driver. So you really have to strain your eyes to see what it is saying. I wish I could just tilt the screen. I have now made multiple driving mistakes because I put the Nav on mute. I have to unmute it. I hope there is a software fix coming soon to move the nav turn by turn to the left side of the screen. I am really hating this. I have no idea how this could ve passed a usability review. On a related note I am used to the nav cutting out the radio when it is giving instructions but right now it does not. A minor irritant. The Nav - and software in general - is buggy to boot. I have had to reboot the console thrice already. For 2 days it insisted that I was in Page Mill road in Palo Alto when I was 20 miles from there. Reboot fixed it. I received a call while listening to the radio. No more radio after the call hung up. Another reboot. The autopilot is really experimental and not to be trusted much at this point. Seems to do fine on straight roads and part of it is getting to a point to trust it. I have learned not to turn it on if you are in the exit lane - it is unsure if it should exit or not (chooses to exit often) and you have to correct it. Today I turned on the indicator to exit (by changing lanes) and it got completely confused moving between two lanes. I had to take over. Bottom line: I am very wary of the autopilot. Disengage prior to exiting. Inconsistent lane changing. It seems the autopilot requires you to jiggle the wheel every now and then to show that you have hands on your wheel. I like to rest my elbow on the door and hold the steering wheel on the left - it has no idea that I am in fact holding the wheel.. so I need to jiggle it every now and then or the display starts flashing blue. I am not a fan of the door handles thus far. I loved the auto presentation of handles on the S. This is far more difficult to get used to - my wife who has small hands care even less for it. For those with Model S the trunk and frunk space is far more restricted as might be expected. But they are well designed. I am still trying to get used to the UI which is significantly different and feels less intuitive at this point. Overall it is a very satisfactory experience other than the nav which I am really disliking. I hope they give an option soon to move the turn by turn directions to the left side soon. edit: clarified that I meant trunk and frunk space are smaller Edit 2: also scheduled charging is not available currently. Edit 3 3 weeks in: Software is not just bad - It is an absolute POS. I reboot the center console about every other day due to various reasons - GPS flaking out audio stops working phone calls do not go through. I am now carrying my keycard around because this morning it refused to move to drive (car unlocked ok). Had to use the key card to make it. Climate control does not turn off - keeps going and chews through the battery. Always manually turn off climate control. | > I do not bother carrying the backup entry cards with me just use my phone. has worked flawlessly. That seems like a terrible idea to me. Your phone s battery could die. You could lose or break the phone. You could forget your phone in the car. Way too many scenarios where you would be stuck if something happened. I don t see why you wouldn t just keep the credit card key in your wallet. | So here s a silly question. How do you mute and unmute the nav on your S? I ve never heard audible directions. | 64 | 24 | 1,973 |
7qkp8c | 90 | There is a rumor on the Facebook Tesla page that employees have confirmed that the light interior will be available once non-owner emails get sent. Can anyone confirm this? Usually Reddit is on top of this kind of thing. | Be very skeptical of any breaking or speculative news coming from showroom associates. They are the absolute last people in the Tesla organization to know about changes. I often found out about things on Twitter before internal comms went out to the sales group. I know because I was one for 15 months. | Do you have a link? | 35 | 2 | 1,974 |
7qkp8c | 90 | There is a rumor on the Facebook Tesla page that employees have confirmed that the light interior will be available once non-owner emails get sent. Can anyone confirm this? Usually Reddit is on top of this kind of thing. | Be very skeptical of any breaking or speculative news coming from showroom associates. They are the absolute last people in the Tesla organization to know about changes. I often found out about things on Twitter before internal comms went out to the sales group. I know because I was one for 15 months. | All non-owners? | 35 | 2 | 1,975 |
7qkp8c | 90 | There is a rumor on the Facebook Tesla page that employees have confirmed that the light interior will be available once non-owner emails get sent. Can anyone confirm this? Usually Reddit is on top of this kind of thing. | Be very skeptical of any breaking or speculative news coming from showroom associates. They are the absolute last people in the Tesla organization to know about changes. I often found out about things on Twitter before internal comms went out to the sales group. I know because I was one for 15 months. | I hope they don t cheap-out and only offer white and not the cream. | 35 | 2 | 1,976 |
7qlznh | 1,330 | That Time It Took 7+ Hours To Charge... At A Supercharger! A Cold Weather Warning Last weekend I flew from North Carolina to Florida for my uncle s funeral. I left my Model S at the airport with 32 miles of range left. Not ideal but still plenty to make it to the Charlotte Supercharger upon my return. Or so I thought. Upon my return the temperature outside was 12°F and the car showed 0 miles of range. The dealership was closed on Sunday so I had the AAA driver take me to the Supercharger instead. After plugging in charge rate was zero. After an hour on hold with Tesla support they were able to diagnose the problem. I was caught in a catch-22. The car will not heat the batteries if the battery is below 20% and the car will not allow charging if the battery is below 0°C. The battery was at -2°C and technically had a 12% charged frozen battery though it showed 0 mile range. After sitting in 29°F direct sunlight with the internal heat on full blast for 3-4 hours the battery finally started accepting a charge (1kW). It took another couple hours to reach max charge rate (25kW) and another hour to charge enough for me to get home. Luckily my sister lives literally across the street from the supercharger so I was able to watch some NFL Playoff games while waiting. Just a warning that cold weather can severely affect the ability to charge a low battery. TLDR: Unexpected freezing temperatures prevented charging a low battery. Keep your car charged up so it doesn t happen to you! | The rule for no charging when below temp needs to be revised when the car is plugged in. The car should just use the grid power to heat up the car instead of the battery. Edit: to clarify I mean use grid power to warm up the battery instead of using battery energy. | There are more and more airport parking facilities especially 3rd party off-airport that offer some level of charging. Even just an 8 amp 110v L1 outlet would have helped a lot here. I d hate to tie up a L2 charger for multiple days... a trickle L1 makes the most sense. | 671 | 63 | 1,977 |
7qlznh | 1,330 | That Time It Took 7+ Hours To Charge... At A Supercharger! A Cold Weather Warning Last weekend I flew from North Carolina to Florida for my uncle s funeral. I left my Model S at the airport with 32 miles of range left. Not ideal but still plenty to make it to the Charlotte Supercharger upon my return. Or so I thought. Upon my return the temperature outside was 12°F and the car showed 0 miles of range. The dealership was closed on Sunday so I had the AAA driver take me to the Supercharger instead. After plugging in charge rate was zero. After an hour on hold with Tesla support they were able to diagnose the problem. I was caught in a catch-22. The car will not heat the batteries if the battery is below 20% and the car will not allow charging if the battery is below 0°C. The battery was at -2°C and technically had a 12% charged frozen battery though it showed 0 mile range. After sitting in 29°F direct sunlight with the internal heat on full blast for 3-4 hours the battery finally started accepting a charge (1kW). It took another couple hours to reach max charge rate (25kW) and another hour to charge enough for me to get home. Luckily my sister lives literally across the street from the supercharger so I was able to watch some NFL Playoff games while waiting. Just a warning that cold weather can severely affect the ability to charge a low battery. TLDR: Unexpected freezing temperatures prevented charging a low battery. Keep your car charged up so it doesn t happen to you! | This really seems like a flaw in the charging logic. If you re plugged in it shouldn t matter what the battery level is. The battery heater should be able to turn on and use energy from the supercharger. | There are more and more airport parking facilities especially 3rd party off-airport that offer some level of charging. Even just an 8 amp 110v L1 outlet would have helped a lot here. I d hate to tie up a L2 charger for multiple days... a trickle L1 makes the most sense. | 296 | 63 | 1,978 |
7qlznh | 1,330 | That Time It Took 7+ Hours To Charge... At A Supercharger! A Cold Weather Warning Last weekend I flew from North Carolina to Florida for my uncle s funeral. I left my Model S at the airport with 32 miles of range left. Not ideal but still plenty to make it to the Charlotte Supercharger upon my return. Or so I thought. Upon my return the temperature outside was 12°F and the car showed 0 miles of range. The dealership was closed on Sunday so I had the AAA driver take me to the Supercharger instead. After plugging in charge rate was zero. After an hour on hold with Tesla support they were able to diagnose the problem. I was caught in a catch-22. The car will not heat the batteries if the battery is below 20% and the car will not allow charging if the battery is below 0°C. The battery was at -2°C and technically had a 12% charged frozen battery though it showed 0 mile range. After sitting in 29°F direct sunlight with the internal heat on full blast for 3-4 hours the battery finally started accepting a charge (1kW). It took another couple hours to reach max charge rate (25kW) and another hour to charge enough for me to get home. Luckily my sister lives literally across the street from the supercharger so I was able to watch some NFL Playoff games while waiting. Just a warning that cold weather can severely affect the ability to charge a low battery. TLDR: Unexpected freezing temperatures prevented charging a low battery. Keep your car charged up so it doesn t happen to you! | > Luckily my sister lives literally across the street from the supercharger so I was able to watch some NFL Playoff games while waiting. Wow that s pretty fortunate! | There are more and more airport parking facilities especially 3rd party off-airport that offer some level of charging. Even just an 8 amp 110v L1 outlet would have helped a lot here. I d hate to tie up a L2 charger for multiple days... a trickle L1 makes the most sense. | 110 | 63 | 1,979 |
7qoot1 | 93 | Here s to hoping Elon posts a new video of the Model 3 production line.. He showed it at 1 10 speed in November. Wondering what the speed is now.. | Probably about 2 10 speed. They produced 800 odd cars in the last week of Q4. The line is expected to have a capacity of 5000 cars a week. 800 cars is about 16% of expected capacity but they probably aren t running that part of the line full time yet. All parts of the system had apparently been tested to a rate of 1000 cars a week which would be 20%. So 2 10 speed would be a good guess. | I took that to mean the video was slowed down to 1 10 of actual speed. | 43 | 10 | 1,980 |
7qqjss | 65 | Some tips and musings from my Model 3 experience #1 - Tap on the car icon to quickly clear the screen and return to the Home window. “Home” is the Nav window. - Disengaging then reengaging TACC will reset the TACC max speed to current speed at moment of reengagement. It s one way to do it without the screen fiddle. Hopefully Tesla can enable the scroll wheels. - Turn off walk-up unlock if you want the car to unlock only by pressing the door handle not during approach or proximity to the car. - The Model 3 ride and handling very much resembles a Miata IMO. I love that kind of suspension and handling response. Imagine a Miata but with the propulsion of a Model S. It s a fantastic combination and you will be addicted to driving it if you re this kind of a car nut. I can t wait to go canyon carving. If you like the comfort of air suggest you wait for the smart air suspension. - Regen braking effect feels stronger than the Model S. Lighter weight helps magnify one-pedal driving. Regen on normal will quickly bring the car to ~4MPH then Regen fades out as momentum is captured. Will not bring car to full stop. - I like the RWD because it s lighter and because RWD. AWD with P should have even crazier slalom numbers. - The RWD motor has a low baritone growl when you step on the power pedal. It s different compared to the high pitched helicopter whine of the S. It sounds very nice. Maybe it s the reverb from the trunk. Good project to make a pro capture of it for any audiophiles here. | > The Model 3 ride and handling very much resembles a Miata IMO Holy crap that s high praise! | How annoying is it to use the screen whilst driving? | 37 | 2 | 1,981 |
7qxxlf | 50 | Need Advice: Ordered a Model X was in an accident before arrival A couple of days ago I purchased a New Model X 100D that had already been built. Since the car was exactly what I was looking for came with a little bit of a discount and saved me from waiting 2-3 months I was beyond excited. I put down the deposit and the car was suppose to be delivered within a week. Later that day I get a call from Tesla saying the car was in an accident and needs to be repaired. Although I have not seen the car or the damage I was told the damages are only cosmetic and will be repaired before delivery. Originally the car was suppose to be sent back to the NUMMI plant but instead was sent to a body shop by the delivery location to be repaired. My question is should I still take the car or just order a new one? I m concerned that although the damage may be cosmetic this will affect the value of the car or it could lead to other problems down the road. Either way I am getting a Tesla. They have been totally upfront and professional with me in regards to what is happening with the car. I just want to make sure I don t screw myself over down the line because the value of the car is diminished before I ever get it. Edit: Assuming I did take the car what would be a reasonable request for discount or compensation for the damage. **Update #1:** Thank you to everyone for the awesome advice it has certainly given me a better direction. As of right now I am waiting to get an update on the damage including the pictures and a report on what happened what will be done. Unless the damage is minimal (just scratches or a minor dent that is truly cosmetic) and they offer some crazy compensation I plan on ordering a new Model X and saving myself the headache. I will update this post when I get more info. Hopefully anyone who runs into a similar problem can reference this post in the future for help. Thanks again to all the contributors! **Update #2: 1 22 18** Spoke with Tesla and finally received pictures and a report. The damage was pretty severe (major scratching and dents to the side panel and wheel well) but I guess it would still be considered cosmetic since the frame was not damaged. The rep told me they would be repairing the car back to new so they would not give any kind of discount or extended warranty on the car so I will be ordering a new one. The sales rep has been very helpful throughout the process and I know he is just following the higher ups decision. What I found alarming interesting was the fact that Tesla views the car as new. It was explained to me since the accident happened prior to my ownership and they did not go through insurance on this the accident would not need to be officially recorded anywhere. Also they would not be required to disclose such a thing to any potential buyer. It seems to me the car would have some diminished value. I do not know if this practice is commonplace within the car industry but it felt a little suspect to me especially if it could lead to further problems down the road. I hope this is helpful to whoever is looking to buy a Tesla in the future. Anyways you guys are great and I am very stoked to get my new Model X! | Unpopular opinion here and I know you waited a long time. But do not take delivery of that car. You have no idea what it has or has not been through. And you never want to always wonder if some swueak rattle failure is due to that issue down the road. If you still insist on taking delivery take a discount AND get them to throw in the 4 year extended service agreement. | Depends on the discount. Someone on the Facebook group a while ago mentioned their S was damaged in an accident before delivery and they got a $51k showroom discount. | 143 | 16 | 1,982 |
7qxxlf | 50 | Need Advice: Ordered a Model X was in an accident before arrival A couple of days ago I purchased a New Model X 100D that had already been built. Since the car was exactly what I was looking for came with a little bit of a discount and saved me from waiting 2-3 months I was beyond excited. I put down the deposit and the car was suppose to be delivered within a week. Later that day I get a call from Tesla saying the car was in an accident and needs to be repaired. Although I have not seen the car or the damage I was told the damages are only cosmetic and will be repaired before delivery. Originally the car was suppose to be sent back to the NUMMI plant but instead was sent to a body shop by the delivery location to be repaired. My question is should I still take the car or just order a new one? I m concerned that although the damage may be cosmetic this will affect the value of the car or it could lead to other problems down the road. Either way I am getting a Tesla. They have been totally upfront and professional with me in regards to what is happening with the car. I just want to make sure I don t screw myself over down the line because the value of the car is diminished before I ever get it. Edit: Assuming I did take the car what would be a reasonable request for discount or compensation for the damage. **Update #1:** Thank you to everyone for the awesome advice it has certainly given me a better direction. As of right now I am waiting to get an update on the damage including the pictures and a report on what happened what will be done. Unless the damage is minimal (just scratches or a minor dent that is truly cosmetic) and they offer some crazy compensation I plan on ordering a new Model X and saving myself the headache. I will update this post when I get more info. Hopefully anyone who runs into a similar problem can reference this post in the future for help. Thanks again to all the contributors! **Update #2: 1 22 18** Spoke with Tesla and finally received pictures and a report. The damage was pretty severe (major scratching and dents to the side panel and wheel well) but I guess it would still be considered cosmetic since the frame was not damaged. The rep told me they would be repairing the car back to new so they would not give any kind of discount or extended warranty on the car so I will be ordering a new one. The sales rep has been very helpful throughout the process and I know he is just following the higher ups decision. What I found alarming interesting was the fact that Tesla views the car as new. It was explained to me since the accident happened prior to my ownership and they did not go through insurance on this the accident would not need to be officially recorded anywhere. Also they would not be required to disclose such a thing to any potential buyer. It seems to me the car would have some diminished value. I do not know if this practice is commonplace within the car industry but it felt a little suspect to me especially if it could lead to further problems down the road. I hope this is helpful to whoever is looking to buy a Tesla in the future. Anyways you guys are great and I am very stoked to get my new Model X! | Unpopular opinion here and I know you waited a long time. But do not take delivery of that car. You have no idea what it has or has not been through. And you never want to always wonder if some swueak rattle failure is due to that issue down the road. If you still insist on taking delivery take a discount AND get them to throw in the 4 year extended service agreement. | I doubt the technical side will be an issue. They ll most likely repair anything that needs repaired. The main concern is what you said: it s an accident. Ask them if this will be in official record of the car and make sure you have their responses on paper (for paper trail and proof). If they say it will be on record it s a no brainer to not accept that car. Period. There s NO reason you should ever take the depreciation hit because of their mistake. If they say it won t be on the car s record then you have a decision to make. Do you want to bet that their service centers has fixed everything to ensure no future (hidden) problems will be caused by this accident and save a few weeks off your delivery time? Or do you want to wait a few more weeks for a car that is fresh off the line? | 143 | 30 | 1,983 |
7r1ogq | 37 | [discussion] Where are the 1k model 3s a week Elon talked about by the q4 production report?! There have been very few new model 3 posts vinbot has been inactive possible people don t care to post anymore for new model 3 s but seems like they might have hit another bottleneck. A customer reported a vin in low 4000 for early February which sounds like they ll be lucky for 2k produced in January more like 500 a week than 1k. Any thoughts? | We are removing Model 3 posts and asking people to post in weekly experiences thread. There are lots of new deliveries you just aren t going to see them as a separate post here anymore. I remove a bunch each day along with a bunch of sightings. | I do not see too much new Tesla Model 3 Instagrams posts pace seems similar to end december not hint of increasing. When it were 1000k per week we should have seen some 5000s Vins around there. | 88 | 5 | 1,984 |
7r1ogq | 37 | [discussion] Where are the 1k model 3s a week Elon talked about by the q4 production report?! There have been very few new model 3 posts vinbot has been inactive possible people don t care to post anymore for new model 3 s but seems like they might have hit another bottleneck. A customer reported a vin in low 4000 for early February which sounds like they ll be lucky for 2k produced in January more like 500 a week than 1k. Any thoughts? | We are removing Model 3 posts and asking people to post in weekly experiences thread. There are lots of new deliveries you just aren t going to see them as a separate post here anymore. I remove a bunch each day along with a bunch of sightings. | It seems like the Model 3 deliveries are increasing but not many post vins anymore. Two of the three Talking Tesla guys have theirs. Ben Sullins got his. There s just a lot less fanfare around deliveries right now. It would be interesting to see pictures of the lot at the factory in Fremont to see if that lot fills up everyday with a constant flow of car carriers taking them off. I assume it is a busy place still. | 88 | 10 | 1,985 |
7r1ogq | 37 | [discussion] Where are the 1k model 3s a week Elon talked about by the q4 production report?! There have been very few new model 3 posts vinbot has been inactive possible people don t care to post anymore for new model 3 s but seems like they might have hit another bottleneck. A customer reported a vin in low 4000 for early February which sounds like they ll be lucky for 2k produced in January more like 500 a week than 1k. Any thoughts? | We are removing Model 3 posts and asking people to post in weekly experiences thread. There are lots of new deliveries you just aren t going to see them as a separate post here anymore. I remove a bunch each day along with a bunch of sightings. | As a point of reference I drove by the factory yesterday and the holding lot had about 1 3 the cars it had around Christmas. Either they were stockpiling for an end of the year push or they ve gotten better about loading trucks immediately. I didn t see any trucks being loaded though | 88 | 13 | 1,986 |
7r4bgk | 64 | [Discussion] Will all the recent and very positive reviews cause a new surge in orders for the Model 3? There seem to have been a large number of reviews in the last couple of days from both well known motor publications and other sources. They have been pretty much unanimous in their praise of the car (OK the odd nick pick here and there) and it makes me wonder if this will create a surge in demand. If it does is there anything more Tesla could do to address clearing the orders backlog faster? | The positive reviews might help some but I think the big surge will come after there are 10 s of thousands of Model 3 s out there with owners giving rides to friends and family. Tesla wasn t even on my radar until a friend drove me in his Model S. After that my Mercedes CLS 550 seemed underpowered and low tech so I traded it in for a Model S and now my wife has a Model 3 reservation. Had my wife not fallen in love with my Model S she wouldn t have even thought to order Model 3. See how the more cars out there causes a chain reaction of orders? | No and No. For the demand yes the positive coverage will help but I think the vast majority of people willing to pay $1 000 in order to hopefully get a car in 2 years have already done so. I don t think the general public is ready for such a foreign concept. That said it will help the brand a lot and may even help once the car is generally available. New orders will likely come in but I don t anticipate any major spike ... For clearing the backlog you can be sure that Tesla is already doing everything they can in order to get as many model 3 out the door as possible. | 65 | 18 | 1,987 |
7r50lm | 184 | PSA check your Tesla account to see if your reservation is opened - another wave has hit no emails yet though. Seems to be a beginning trend of every 2 weeks another wave of invites. They seem to open them a day before emails are actually sent so check yours out! | I am waiting for the first non owner non affiliated person to get the invite. That would give me more hope on mine. | Nope nothing for me :( | 118 | 2 | 1,988 |
7r50lm | 184 | PSA check your Tesla account to see if your reservation is opened - another wave has hit no emails yet though. Seems to be a beginning trend of every 2 weeks another wave of invites. They seem to open them a day before emails are actually sent so check yours out! | I am waiting for the first non owner non affiliated person to get the invite. That would give me more hope on mine. | Yes got it central midwest owner line waiter | 118 | 30 | 1,989 |
7r50lm | 184 | PSA check your Tesla account to see if your reservation is opened - another wave has hit no emails yet though. Seems to be a beginning trend of every 2 weeks another wave of invites. They seem to open them a day before emails are actually sent so check yours out! | Yes got it central midwest owner line waiter | Nope nothing for me :( | 30 | 2 | 1,990 |
7r57gz | 137 | My Model 3 review 2.5 weeks into driving it Model 3 2.5 week in review (from Model S AP1 driver) Two+ weeks into driving my new Model 3 I gotta say it s great overall. I think anyone coming from a non Tesla to this will be blown away. There are some things it does better than the S and some things that are worse. The good (ie what is similar to my Model S) * It drives amazingly well. It s fast and responsive just like any other Tesla. * Regenerative braking seems equal to my Model S as well. * The trunk space is great. Obviously not as much as the S but impressive given the size of the car. * The head room and visibility of the car from the drivers seat and even the back seats are great. I m 6ft 1 and quite comfy driving it. * The audio quality from the radio is solid. I ve heard people rave about it on here but honestly the premium audio package in my Model 3 feels about the same as my standard audio in my Model S. Both sound good so I m not complaining! The great (things it does better than my Model S) * I think autopilot is great on this car so far. It seems to hold the lanes better than my AP1 Model S. On my commute to work I m often driving directly into the sun and the glare throws AP1 into a hissy fit and it loses the lane markings quite regularly. The Model 3 with AP2.5 seemed to hold the lines fantastically well in comparison. * The screen is so much more responsive than the S. I m sure they will upgrade the S soon to match this. * I surprisingly love the bare central dashboard. I don t miss the central speedometer at all. I realized I often drive leaning to the right (onto the center console) and as a result the speedometer is actually CLOSER to my line of sight than when it s in the center of the dash. * It charges faster than my Model S both on 240v and on 110v outlets. The bad (things that aren t as good as my Model S) * The screen lacks the calendar function (hopefully this will be added later). I found this fantastically helpful in my Model S as I had it show me my daily agenda when I entered the car in the morning. * The seats are slightly less comfortable. I had a lot of back discomfort the first week but tweaking my seat position seems to have fixed most of this. The seat is smaller feeling overall but still a decent car seat. * The cup holders are numerous but very small. A larger bottomed cup will not fit in them so I have already had two coffee spills. The Model S has variable cup holder sizes in the center console which is a great feature. They could add similar inserts into the center on the 3 and fix this easily with aftermarket add ons. * The nav list is on the far right of the screen making it hard to see while driving. In prior screen shots they had this on the left side and closer to your field of view so I m not sure why they changed it. Hopefully they will either change it back or make it an option to do so. I ve been just using the voice guidance to make up for this which I never used on my S. * The backup camera is much lower quality than the S. It s very grainy. I m hoping this can be improved with software but it s unclear. * The ride quality is much less than the Model S due to the lack of air suspension. You also seem to sit closer to the front of the car so when you are on a bumpy road you REALLY notice it. * Lack of summon (so far) is annoying as I have a small garage and using summon makes my life a lot easier to get in out of the garage. * The right scroll wheel on the steering so far doesn t do anything so there are numerous places for improvement with this. For example it d be great if it was contextually aware. Ie If you are on autopilot it could be used to adjust the speed or if it s raining it could be used to change wiper settings. * The wiper stalk is limited in functionality. This can be fixed with scroll wheel updates in the future or maybe variable presses on the stalk button. For example maybe 1 long press to activate the wipers on automatic 1 short press to to do 1 wipe 2 short presses to activate manual slow and 3 short presses for manual high. * The autopilot stalk doesn t let you change speed as it does on the S (must be done on the screen). This is extremely annoying so far and makes moving in and out of autopilot much more laborious. Hopefully the scroll wheel can fill the gap here in the future. * It s harder to change input settings on the radio unless you have the radio filling up the entire screen interface. You can keep a small radio window on the bottom which shows your recent or favorite stations but you cannot change from radio streaming to your phone interface without enlarging this. I often drive and flip between podcasts on my phone and the radio so going back and forth on this is annoying if I want to also use the map. You could easily fix this by adding an extra button or two on the smaller radio screen or even a “last” button. Could also be fixed with scroll wheel functionality such as long presses to change the input type. All in all it s a great car and a few minor software interface changes should make it even better. I m excited for all you future owners to join the club soon! | A clarification on the charging: the 3 is taking the same amount of energy from an outlet (assuming you are limited to 40A) as an S or X but the 3 is more efficient with its usage of stored energy so its rated miles climb faster while charging at the same rate. | What kind of car did you have before the S? | 31 | 5 | 1,991 |
7r57gz | 137 | My Model 3 review 2.5 weeks into driving it Model 3 2.5 week in review (from Model S AP1 driver) Two+ weeks into driving my new Model 3 I gotta say it s great overall. I think anyone coming from a non Tesla to this will be blown away. There are some things it does better than the S and some things that are worse. The good (ie what is similar to my Model S) * It drives amazingly well. It s fast and responsive just like any other Tesla. * Regenerative braking seems equal to my Model S as well. * The trunk space is great. Obviously not as much as the S but impressive given the size of the car. * The head room and visibility of the car from the drivers seat and even the back seats are great. I m 6ft 1 and quite comfy driving it. * The audio quality from the radio is solid. I ve heard people rave about it on here but honestly the premium audio package in my Model 3 feels about the same as my standard audio in my Model S. Both sound good so I m not complaining! The great (things it does better than my Model S) * I think autopilot is great on this car so far. It seems to hold the lanes better than my AP1 Model S. On my commute to work I m often driving directly into the sun and the glare throws AP1 into a hissy fit and it loses the lane markings quite regularly. The Model 3 with AP2.5 seemed to hold the lines fantastically well in comparison. * The screen is so much more responsive than the S. I m sure they will upgrade the S soon to match this. * I surprisingly love the bare central dashboard. I don t miss the central speedometer at all. I realized I often drive leaning to the right (onto the center console) and as a result the speedometer is actually CLOSER to my line of sight than when it s in the center of the dash. * It charges faster than my Model S both on 240v and on 110v outlets. The bad (things that aren t as good as my Model S) * The screen lacks the calendar function (hopefully this will be added later). I found this fantastically helpful in my Model S as I had it show me my daily agenda when I entered the car in the morning. * The seats are slightly less comfortable. I had a lot of back discomfort the first week but tweaking my seat position seems to have fixed most of this. The seat is smaller feeling overall but still a decent car seat. * The cup holders are numerous but very small. A larger bottomed cup will not fit in them so I have already had two coffee spills. The Model S has variable cup holder sizes in the center console which is a great feature. They could add similar inserts into the center on the 3 and fix this easily with aftermarket add ons. * The nav list is on the far right of the screen making it hard to see while driving. In prior screen shots they had this on the left side and closer to your field of view so I m not sure why they changed it. Hopefully they will either change it back or make it an option to do so. I ve been just using the voice guidance to make up for this which I never used on my S. * The backup camera is much lower quality than the S. It s very grainy. I m hoping this can be improved with software but it s unclear. * The ride quality is much less than the Model S due to the lack of air suspension. You also seem to sit closer to the front of the car so when you are on a bumpy road you REALLY notice it. * Lack of summon (so far) is annoying as I have a small garage and using summon makes my life a lot easier to get in out of the garage. * The right scroll wheel on the steering so far doesn t do anything so there are numerous places for improvement with this. For example it d be great if it was contextually aware. Ie If you are on autopilot it could be used to adjust the speed or if it s raining it could be used to change wiper settings. * The wiper stalk is limited in functionality. This can be fixed with scroll wheel updates in the future or maybe variable presses on the stalk button. For example maybe 1 long press to activate the wipers on automatic 1 short press to to do 1 wipe 2 short presses to activate manual slow and 3 short presses for manual high. * The autopilot stalk doesn t let you change speed as it does on the S (must be done on the screen). This is extremely annoying so far and makes moving in and out of autopilot much more laborious. Hopefully the scroll wheel can fill the gap here in the future. * It s harder to change input settings on the radio unless you have the radio filling up the entire screen interface. You can keep a small radio window on the bottom which shows your recent or favorite stations but you cannot change from radio streaming to your phone interface without enlarging this. I often drive and flip between podcasts on my phone and the radio so going back and forth on this is annoying if I want to also use the map. You could easily fix this by adding an extra button or two on the smaller radio screen or even a “last” button. Could also be fixed with scroll wheel functionality such as long presses to change the input type. All in all it s a great car and a few minor software interface changes should make it even better. I m excited for all you future owners to join the club soon! | A clarification on the charging: the 3 is taking the same amount of energy from an outlet (assuming you are limited to 40A) as an S or X but the 3 is more efficient with its usage of stored energy so its rated miles climb faster while charging at the same rate. | So far as lack of AP stalk - I ended up just setting a relative speed of +10 MPH and calling it a day. Haven t felt the need to change it since. Agree on the ride - the suspension gives you more of a sport feel but you feel more of the road. I suspect opinions vary on how they enjoy this. | 31 | 5 | 1,992 |
7r57r9 | 35 | Second Configuration Invite for Model 3 Owner of one Model S on the West Coast not CA reserved in store 3 31 16. I received my first config on 1 4. I m supposed to be non-priority on my second. Received my invite to configure my second reservation at 2:53 pm today 1 17. There s hope for you non-owners out there! | Congrats but hate you all | I am in NJ but pretty much same story. Received first configuration invite 1 4 and received the second one today 1 17 | 69 | 2 | 1,993 |
7ri33d | 80 | Just another reminder to check your Mytesla account. My Model 3 is ordered! After seeing another wave of Model 3 orders go out I decided to check my account where I was prompted to order my car! I live in the Austin TX area and preordered the first day online. Current Model S owner. | Still no non-owners.... | I m also on my last day on a trip to Paris so does that make me the first person to order a Model 3 outside the US technically? | 60 | 12 | 1,994 |
7rorbc | 75 | To the guy driving the Model S earlier tonight on AZ-202 in Chandler I m sorry I didn t look over sooner! You were so excited to wave at me. I waved back but I think you turned your head before you saw me. I m sorry! | Since we are on this topic... To the driver of a black Model S on I-280 on a morning in early September: you were flashed by my high-beam twice rapidly and changed to the next lane. I was just trying to engage Auto Pilot. Sorry! | Is that what we re supposed to do? Wave at each other or something? | 81 | 9 | 1,995 |
7rorbc | 75 | To the guy driving the Model S earlier tonight on AZ-202 in Chandler I m sorry I didn t look over sooner! You were so excited to wave at me. I waved back but I think you turned your head before you saw me. I m sorry! | Since we are on this topic... To the driver of a black Model S on I-280 on a morning in early September: you were flashed by my high-beam twice rapidly and changed to the next lane. I was just trying to engage Auto Pilot. Sorry! | Is this the community I m getting into by buying a Tesla? Boy am I in for a long ride | 81 | 28 | 1,996 |
7rouob | 333 | My model 3 dies less than 24 hours before delivery Today at 10am I wired the full payment to Tesla prior to tomorrows expected model 3 delivery. Tonight. At 5pm I got a call from Tesla telling me the drive unit failed and now I have to wait for another car. No ETA given. Very disappointed but I m glad they caught it prior to the actual delivery. Anyone else had this kind of delivery issue? One week later... picking up a different car (different VIN) today. Tesla told me they want to examine the faulty drive unit in the original car. That makes sense. Everybody at Tesla did their best to rectify the situation. Thanks... | oh man.. best outcome that could have happened is it happen when they have it not you. Imagine how pissed you d be if you got your long-awaited beautiful model 3 and you were immediately stranded on the highway with your family. Actually pissed would be the kindest word I could think of using. | On the positive side it seems you will get a completely different new 3? It stinks but I suppose this type of issue was going to be a possibility for a new car platform drive unit. I do hope the entire manufacturing process buckles down and focuses on quality of components and assembly. I d rather they slow their pace to get that right rather than look at ramping up first | 214 | 19 | 1,997 |
7rouob | 333 | My model 3 dies less than 24 hours before delivery Today at 10am I wired the full payment to Tesla prior to tomorrows expected model 3 delivery. Tonight. At 5pm I got a call from Tesla telling me the drive unit failed and now I have to wait for another car. No ETA given. Very disappointed but I m glad they caught it prior to the actual delivery. Anyone else had this kind of delivery issue? One week later... picking up a different car (different VIN) today. Tesla told me they want to examine the faulty drive unit in the original car. That makes sense. Everybody at Tesla did their best to rectify the situation. Thanks... | oh man.. best outcome that could have happened is it happen when they have it not you. Imagine how pissed you d be if you got your long-awaited beautiful model 3 and you were immediately stranded on the highway with your family. Actually pissed would be the kindest word I could think of using. | this is why i m waiting to get a model 3 in the future. | 214 | 23 | 1,998 |
7rouob | 333 | My model 3 dies less than 24 hours before delivery Today at 10am I wired the full payment to Tesla prior to tomorrows expected model 3 delivery. Tonight. At 5pm I got a call from Tesla telling me the drive unit failed and now I have to wait for another car. No ETA given. Very disappointed but I m glad they caught it prior to the actual delivery. Anyone else had this kind of delivery issue? One week later... picking up a different car (different VIN) today. Tesla told me they want to examine the faulty drive unit in the original car. That makes sense. Everybody at Tesla did their best to rectify the situation. Thanks... | oh man.. best outcome that could have happened is it happen when they have it not you. Imagine how pissed you d be if you got your long-awaited beautiful model 3 and you were immediately stranded on the highway with your family. Actually pissed would be the kindest word I could think of using. | This is the first I ve heard of a drive unit failure in a non-employee model 3. Clearly it s too early to establish any kind of a pattern. However given that this was a not uncommon issue with early Model S I can t help but be a little concerned if we begin to see this issue rear its head with the 3. | 214 | 117 | 1,999 |
7s7d1y | 74 | Autopilot thoughts I gotta say... Sitting on the 405 in traffic is almost fun now with autopilot. I mean it takes all the stress of getting somewhere completely out. I feel bad for all the ice cars that weave in and out of lanes and add to their frustration for the day lol | I have Adaptive Cruise in my current ICE and I feel the same way. I don t touch the pedals after I leave my driveway until I get off the exit at my work. Stop and go traffic is so much less irritating when you don t have to do any of the stopping and going lol. Can t wait to add Autosteer to the mix later this year. | It s orders of magnitude better but it still sucks if it s part of a long commute. My first few weeks with autopilot were really fun but it s easy to get used to it. I realize how great it is whenever I have to drive a normal car though. | 40 | 13 | 2,000 |
7sfayb | 130 | Twelve month Twitter Throwback: 3 months maybe 6 months definitely [A year ago today a meme was born!](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 823727035088416768?lang=en) It s now 180-270 days past the date when Full Self-Driving Capability features will definitely noticeably depart from Enhanced Autopilot features [we still don t even have an EAP feature](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 58tjrd tesla_upgrade_offer_full_self_driving_hardware ) or AP1 parity much less a FSD feature. Just a cautionary tale when it comes to listening to anything Elon says. Anyone talking bets on when FSD will actually noticeably depart? Based on the ratio of his AP2 estimates to actual deliveries we re looking at sometime in 2030 or so. | But is it really a throwback if the joke is made on Reddit 3 times day for that past year....? | Some people say ap2 is on parity with ap1 at least they ve been saying that in the last few months. Elon getting the model 3 wipers to work with just using computer vision is a noticeable departure from your standard autopilot. It proves his neural net works. I predict level 4 in teslas (in some most parts of California by sometime in 2019. Level 5 will hit California 2020-2022. | 63 | 7 | 2,001 |
7sfayb | 130 | Twelve month Twitter Throwback: 3 months maybe 6 months definitely [A year ago today a meme was born!](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 823727035088416768?lang=en) It s now 180-270 days past the date when Full Self-Driving Capability features will definitely noticeably depart from Enhanced Autopilot features [we still don t even have an EAP feature](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 58tjrd tesla_upgrade_offer_full_self_driving_hardware ) or AP1 parity much less a FSD feature. Just a cautionary tale when it comes to listening to anything Elon says. Anyone talking bets on when FSD will actually noticeably depart? Based on the ratio of his AP2 estimates to actual deliveries we re looking at sometime in 2030 or so. | But is it really a throwback if the joke is made on Reddit 3 times day for that past year....? | I m a big fan of Elon and his vision but it amazes me that he hasn t been investigated by the SEC for stock manipulation. | 63 | 17 | 2,002 |
7sifr7 | 41 | 18 vs 19 Tires for Ride Quality Cabin Noise on Model 3 Has anyone done a test yet for ride quality handling on the 3 and Cabin Noise between the two? I d prefer the 19 tires for the look of them but would love to know if they will be substantially noisier or harder on the road than the stock 18 s? | My plan: get the 19 s because they re gorgeous and never subject myself to knowing whether the 18s are quieter and or offer substantially more range... | Between ride quality and cabin noise I am more concerned on the ride quality. It seems Model 3 got decent cabin noise level but the ride quality is where the compromise is. I wish the 18 wheel with lower tire pressure would make it more bearable | 35 | 3 | 2,003 |
7sifr7 | 41 | 18 vs 19 Tires for Ride Quality Cabin Noise on Model 3 Has anyone done a test yet for ride quality handling on the 3 and Cabin Noise between the two? I d prefer the 19 tires for the look of them but would love to know if they will be substantially noisier or harder on the road than the stock 18 s? | My plan: get the 19 s because they re gorgeous and never subject myself to knowing whether the 18s are quieter and or offer substantially more range... | 18 will offer better comfort on the road due to a larger sidewall. I can t speak for anything about road noise but I would look up a similar tire on tire rack and that will give you a good comparison. | 35 | 5 | 2,004 |
7sifr7 | 41 | 18 vs 19 Tires for Ride Quality Cabin Noise on Model 3 Has anyone done a test yet for ride quality handling on the 3 and Cabin Noise between the two? I d prefer the 19 tires for the look of them but would love to know if they will be substantially noisier or harder on the road than the stock 18 s? | My plan: get the 19 s because they re gorgeous and never subject myself to knowing whether the 18s are quieter and or offer substantially more range... | I just got my 3 with 19 s this weekend. Sold my S. Luv the 3! My only criticism is the suspension is very tight vs air of the S. I feel ever bump so would imagine the 18 s might be softer in that regard. No issue re noise. 3 is amazing! Luving every minute. | 35 | 5 | 2,005 |
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