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7g0sao | 21 | Still no news on the “Something special” for (3 31) reservations ? Sorry if this has already been answered but with more and more orders starting to roll out what s gonna happen to the promised “something special” for those that reserved on day one ? I know Elon tweeted he was working on something back in August.. Also is there any speculation on what it might be ? | My guess it s it s something software based. For the cost of the ass pain for the logistics of ordering and shipping out a $5 tshirt to just some subset of people dealing with I didn t get mine s and such they could hand a dev a spreadsheet and say give them $40 in supercharger credits and have that done 2 hours later. We almost *want* it to be software based. It can be a lot more substantial that way. | I think Tesla can t make that decision until they become cash positive. Every dollar matters to them right now. I am betting no news till mid 2018 or if ever. | 38 | 4 | 1,806 |
7g0sao | 21 | Still no news on the “Something special” for (3 31) reservations ? Sorry if this has already been answered but with more and more orders starting to roll out what s gonna happen to the promised “something special” for those that reserved on day one ? I know Elon tweeted he was working on something back in August.. Also is there any speculation on what it might be ? | My guess it s it s something software based. For the cost of the ass pain for the logistics of ordering and shipping out a $5 tshirt to just some subset of people dealing with I didn t get mine s and such they could hand a dev a spreadsheet and say give them $40 in supercharger credits and have that done 2 hours later. We almost *want* it to be software based. It can be a lot more substantial that way. | Wasn t it the artwork? | 38 | 5 | 1,807 |
7g51fs | 43 | Ontario election Patrick brown of the pc party finally announced his platform. He plans on cancelling the liberal s climate change action plan. The climate change action plan contains the $14 000 rebate for EVs. Https: www.ontariopc.ca change_that_works_for_the_environment Will this change your decision to buy a model 3? | Lost any chance at my vote. I assume he also believes in clean coal? | Honestly I think a plain old carbon tax to offset income tax in a progressive manner as to not punish the most vulnerable in society is the best way forward. I don t wish the government to try to pick the winners. They re generally inefficient in doing so. | 28 | 2 | 1,808 |
7g51fs | 43 | Ontario election Patrick brown of the pc party finally announced his platform. He plans on cancelling the liberal s climate change action plan. The climate change action plan contains the $14 000 rebate for EVs. Https: www.ontariopc.ca change_that_works_for_the_environment Will this change your decision to buy a model 3? | Lost any chance at my vote. I assume he also believes in clean coal? | I was going to wait for a Model 3 but in recent weeks put down money on a Bolt. Delivery is expected in the spring before the election. I m not putting $14k down on a bet for a Liberal Wynne. I knew the PC s would repeal this subsidy so in essence what would be a $42k or so Model 3 jumps into the upper $50 s or I can pick up the Bolt for $36 or so all in (I d have to check to see exactly what it is). If I could get a Model 3 before June I would but it ll have to be kicked down the road a bit now due to the potential cost. | 28 | 2 | 1,809 |
7gnou7 | 30 | Tesla Roadster pre-order still Awaiting Deposit despite the full wire transfer clearing last week. Anyone else? I pre-ordered the new roadster on 11 18 I was sent an email with instructions on how to pay the remaining balance. Within the week I had wire transferred the remaining balance from my bank account to Tesla. It has now been 9 days since the payment cleared yet my Tesla account is still showing Awaiting Deposit for the status of my Roadster reservation. I d like to know if I m the only one or if everyone else is having the same experience. I have contacted Tesla and made sure they received the payment but they couldn t tell me why it was still Awaiting Deposit . My main concern is that my spot in line isn t yet held and that others who have submitted payments later than I have are getting spots in line before me... (First world problems right?) **EDIT:** Looks like the reservation just went through this afternoon I ve got an RN number and a confirmation. Weird timing seeing that I posted this yesterday... | Well once it goes through congratulations... you son of a bitch... | https: i.imgur.com cxU6gGM.png | 31 | 5 | 1,810 |
7h9fuj | 66 | LA Times reports that the Senate tax bill *does* remove the EV credit [The article] (http: www.latimes.com nation la-na-new-tax-solar-wind-20171202-story.html) is more about energy in general but it quite specifically says that the Senate bill removes the credit. This is contrary to previous reporting. Can anyone reconcile this? | Isn t the fact that no one has any idea what s really in this bill a sign that maybe we should stop this shitshow and actually start to govern again? | > A third provision in the Senate tax bill that appears aimed at helping the oil industry is the elimination of the $7 500 tax credit for electric vehicles. I wouldn t be surprised if the editors were to later issue a correction. | 94 | 10 | 1,811 |
7h9fuj | 66 | LA Times reports that the Senate tax bill *does* remove the EV credit [The article] (http: www.latimes.com nation la-na-new-tax-solar-wind-20171202-story.html) is more about energy in general but it quite specifically says that the Senate bill removes the credit. This is contrary to previous reporting. Can anyone reconcile this? | The L.A. Times didn t fact check before publishing its article or didn t know how to because there is nothing in the Congressional Record which is the official record of all votes and proceedings showing any impact on the EV tax credit. Additionally just because an amendment is proposed doesn t mean it is approved. Each one has to be voted on or tabled (not considered). Here are the rules: https: www.senate.gov reference resources pdf legprocessflowchart.pdf. If it was considered or voted on it would have appeared in the Congressional Record. Here is the Congressional Record for the days in question: https: www.congress.gov crec 2017 11 30 CREC-2017-11-30.pdf https: www.congress.gov crec 2017 12 01 CREC-2017-12-01.pdf. TL DR: There is simply no evidence to date that the EV tax credit was eliminated and the LA Times did not check correctly or at all to report on it with such certainty. | Tweeted at the author to try to get more info (hopefully a correction). If anyone can rt or like might help visibility https: twitter.com teslamodel3fan status 937322362135040000 | 60 | 7 | 1,812 |
7h9fuj | 66 | LA Times reports that the Senate tax bill *does* remove the EV credit [The article] (http: www.latimes.com nation la-na-new-tax-solar-wind-20171202-story.html) is more about energy in general but it quite specifically says that the Senate bill removes the credit. This is contrary to previous reporting. Can anyone reconcile this? | The L.A. Times didn t fact check before publishing its article or didn t know how to because there is nothing in the Congressional Record which is the official record of all votes and proceedings showing any impact on the EV tax credit. Additionally just because an amendment is proposed doesn t mean it is approved. Each one has to be voted on or tabled (not considered). Here are the rules: https: www.senate.gov reference resources pdf legprocessflowchart.pdf. If it was considered or voted on it would have appeared in the Congressional Record. Here is the Congressional Record for the days in question: https: www.congress.gov crec 2017 11 30 CREC-2017-11-30.pdf https: www.congress.gov crec 2017 12 01 CREC-2017-12-01.pdf. TL DR: There is simply no evidence to date that the EV tax credit was eliminated and the LA Times did not check correctly or at all to report on it with such certainty. | > A third provision in the Senate tax bill that appears aimed at helping the oil industry is the elimination of the $7 500 tax credit for electric vehicles. I wouldn t be surprised if the editors were to later issue a correction. | 60 | 10 | 1,813 |
7hiey7 | 294 | Wanted to share Winter driving tips and tricks I live in Ontario Canada. It gets cold here in Winter we usually see temps around -15 to -20c for a good part of the winter. That s around 0f in American temperature ) Going into my 3rd Winter with Wattson I wanted to share some observations and tips from the last 2. 1. Below 0c my car uses a lot more energy per km - my P85D is rated at 200 watts per km (roughly 300 per mile) and in Winter I budget for 300 to 350 (450 to 550 per mile) if it s really cold. For long road trips I basically charge to twice the range I will need to get to the next supercharger. That gives me a small buffer for traffic jams etc. My 400km (250 miles) Tesla is a 300km (185 miles) Tesla in winter assuming she s warm before I get in. Otherwise she s a 200km (125 miles) Tesla if I m getting in after she s sat outside for a day at -15c. Heavy snow will decrease your range because of the extra energy required to overcome the extra friction and drag of driving through snow. The trip computer will initially give you a very optimistic prediction on trips. Don t trust it at first give yourself a huge buffer. It will readjust to a more realistic value after about 30 minutes. Like when I drive to Buffalo it might initially say I ll arrive with 30 percent charge. After half an hour it has readjusted to arriving with a 10 percent charge and that estimate is a lot more accurate. The biggest energy suck in winter is your climate control system. If you turn it off you ll get back to 200 watts per km (300 per mile) but I can tell you from experience that the car gets cold very quickly and seat heat alone will not make up the difference. If you re absolutely stuck then turn climate control off and get a blanket and use seat heat but that s not exactly an ideal scenario for having a luxury car. 2. Range mode - OFF. I have never achieved better mileage with it on in Winter and as it limits heat to the cabin it s a lot less comfortable. No point in shivering when you re not actually improving your range significantly. In Summer I see 5 to 10 percent energy savings which you can achieve easily just by reducing speed 5km hr. With range mode on it actually heats the battery to a hotter temp (40c) than with range mode off (30c) because the battery is more efficient at 40c. The thing is in Winter it takes the same energy to heat the battery to 40c as it releases from the battery once it s heated. 3. Turn side mirror auto-fold OFF for Winter. Your side mirrors will get iced up and stuck if you leave the car outside with folded mirrors and it snows. If you forget and they get iced up find a parking garage and let it warm up. Don t try to force them open they aren t cheap to fix. 4. Your absolute best scenario is to preheat the car while it s plugged in before you drive. If you preheat the interior it will also preheat the battery. With a warm interior and a warm battery your energy burn will still be over 200 but closer to 250 than 300-350. 5. If you start driving with a cold battery it will use energy like crazy for the first 40 or 50 kms while it warms up the interior and the battery. Your regen braking will be affected with a cold battery and so will your acceleration. 6. Seat heat is awesome! Don t forget to turn it on if you have it. Same with heated steering wheel it uses very little energy and is a great perk. 7. I highly recommend Winter tires. I have a dual-motor in my Tesla and the traction control and handling are amazing. This is a great car for Winter handling even with all-season tires. That being said snow tires are a good idea considering you can get a decent set for about 1500 bucks (Canadian dollars for a decent set of 19 inch snow tires) and it s a small fraction of the purchase price of the car. Handling will be similar (if noisier) than all-seasons but you ll stop faster on Winter tires. The extra few feet of stopping distance can be important when dealing with some jackass at an intersection who forgot how to drive in Winter. 8. Though Teslas are amazing in snow they are still very heavy. The anti-lock and traction control are the best I ve ever seen but a Model S still weighs twice as much as a Honda Civic so keep that in mind when the roads are slippery. You are driving a car that is a lot heavier than most it just normally doesn t feel like it cause they have so much power. 9. If you have an older Model S (pre-refresh) the radar sensor is annoyingly low to the ground on the front bumper of the car. It will get covered in ice and slush and that will kill the autopilot. You ll know because the dash display won t show other cars. Only solution is to get out once in a while and scrape the slush out of the radar sensor. In Model X and refreshed model S they moved the sensor up a few inches and it seems to have solved the problem. Progress! 10. Frost will tend to build up on my Model S windshield in the exact area that the cameras for autopilot use. Sometimes it s literally the only spot frost builds up so if you hop into your car and the autopilot doesn t work but the windshield *looks* clear try using the wipers and spray for a second to see if it cleans out the frost patch over the front camera. Any other tips and tricks for Winter you want to share? Edit: Some additional tips from the comments that are useful: 11. When it is cold out supercharging may be affected - when you plug in it may need to warm the battery before it can start charging with any significant speed. This can noticeably extend supercharging wait times. 12. Not everyone realizes that you can double tap on the front defrost icon to turn on max defrost (where it turns red). 13. On very icy roads regen can cause traction issues (more so with RWD but also with AWD). Good winter tires as already mentioned go a long ways to handling this but in really bad situations it may be prudent to turn regen to low - or to be cautious about abruptly letting off of the accelerator pedal. 14. If you lose traction flip the car into neutral. It will disable regen braking and you ll get a lot of traction back. 15. If the car is cold the display may lag a little until it warms up. It will look a little like motion blur in GTA5 but the screens work just fine. | Model 3 reservation holder. You have answered several of my questions about how Tesla s work in the snow and the battery consumption. Thank you for posting. | Reasons For Crashing During Winter http: cheezburger.com 1482005760 | 79 | 3 | 1,814 |
7hiey7 | 294 | Wanted to share Winter driving tips and tricks I live in Ontario Canada. It gets cold here in Winter we usually see temps around -15 to -20c for a good part of the winter. That s around 0f in American temperature ) Going into my 3rd Winter with Wattson I wanted to share some observations and tips from the last 2. 1. Below 0c my car uses a lot more energy per km - my P85D is rated at 200 watts per km (roughly 300 per mile) and in Winter I budget for 300 to 350 (450 to 550 per mile) if it s really cold. For long road trips I basically charge to twice the range I will need to get to the next supercharger. That gives me a small buffer for traffic jams etc. My 400km (250 miles) Tesla is a 300km (185 miles) Tesla in winter assuming she s warm before I get in. Otherwise she s a 200km (125 miles) Tesla if I m getting in after she s sat outside for a day at -15c. Heavy snow will decrease your range because of the extra energy required to overcome the extra friction and drag of driving through snow. The trip computer will initially give you a very optimistic prediction on trips. Don t trust it at first give yourself a huge buffer. It will readjust to a more realistic value after about 30 minutes. Like when I drive to Buffalo it might initially say I ll arrive with 30 percent charge. After half an hour it has readjusted to arriving with a 10 percent charge and that estimate is a lot more accurate. The biggest energy suck in winter is your climate control system. If you turn it off you ll get back to 200 watts per km (300 per mile) but I can tell you from experience that the car gets cold very quickly and seat heat alone will not make up the difference. If you re absolutely stuck then turn climate control off and get a blanket and use seat heat but that s not exactly an ideal scenario for having a luxury car. 2. Range mode - OFF. I have never achieved better mileage with it on in Winter and as it limits heat to the cabin it s a lot less comfortable. No point in shivering when you re not actually improving your range significantly. In Summer I see 5 to 10 percent energy savings which you can achieve easily just by reducing speed 5km hr. With range mode on it actually heats the battery to a hotter temp (40c) than with range mode off (30c) because the battery is more efficient at 40c. The thing is in Winter it takes the same energy to heat the battery to 40c as it releases from the battery once it s heated. 3. Turn side mirror auto-fold OFF for Winter. Your side mirrors will get iced up and stuck if you leave the car outside with folded mirrors and it snows. If you forget and they get iced up find a parking garage and let it warm up. Don t try to force them open they aren t cheap to fix. 4. Your absolute best scenario is to preheat the car while it s plugged in before you drive. If you preheat the interior it will also preheat the battery. With a warm interior and a warm battery your energy burn will still be over 200 but closer to 250 than 300-350. 5. If you start driving with a cold battery it will use energy like crazy for the first 40 or 50 kms while it warms up the interior and the battery. Your regen braking will be affected with a cold battery and so will your acceleration. 6. Seat heat is awesome! Don t forget to turn it on if you have it. Same with heated steering wheel it uses very little energy and is a great perk. 7. I highly recommend Winter tires. I have a dual-motor in my Tesla and the traction control and handling are amazing. This is a great car for Winter handling even with all-season tires. That being said snow tires are a good idea considering you can get a decent set for about 1500 bucks (Canadian dollars for a decent set of 19 inch snow tires) and it s a small fraction of the purchase price of the car. Handling will be similar (if noisier) than all-seasons but you ll stop faster on Winter tires. The extra few feet of stopping distance can be important when dealing with some jackass at an intersection who forgot how to drive in Winter. 8. Though Teslas are amazing in snow they are still very heavy. The anti-lock and traction control are the best I ve ever seen but a Model S still weighs twice as much as a Honda Civic so keep that in mind when the roads are slippery. You are driving a car that is a lot heavier than most it just normally doesn t feel like it cause they have so much power. 9. If you have an older Model S (pre-refresh) the radar sensor is annoyingly low to the ground on the front bumper of the car. It will get covered in ice and slush and that will kill the autopilot. You ll know because the dash display won t show other cars. Only solution is to get out once in a while and scrape the slush out of the radar sensor. In Model X and refreshed model S they moved the sensor up a few inches and it seems to have solved the problem. Progress! 10. Frost will tend to build up on my Model S windshield in the exact area that the cameras for autopilot use. Sometimes it s literally the only spot frost builds up so if you hop into your car and the autopilot doesn t work but the windshield *looks* clear try using the wipers and spray for a second to see if it cleans out the frost patch over the front camera. Any other tips and tricks for Winter you want to share? Edit: Some additional tips from the comments that are useful: 11. When it is cold out supercharging may be affected - when you plug in it may need to warm the battery before it can start charging with any significant speed. This can noticeably extend supercharging wait times. 12. Not everyone realizes that you can double tap on the front defrost icon to turn on max defrost (where it turns red). 13. On very icy roads regen can cause traction issues (more so with RWD but also with AWD). Good winter tires as already mentioned go a long ways to handling this but in really bad situations it may be prudent to turn regen to low - or to be cautious about abruptly letting off of the accelerator pedal. 14. If you lose traction flip the car into neutral. It will disable regen braking and you ll get a lot of traction back. 15. If the car is cold the display may lag a little until it warms up. It will look a little like motion blur in GTA5 but the screens work just fine. | Model 3 reservation holder. You have answered several of my questions about how Tesla s work in the snow and the battery consumption. Thank you for posting. | If you have a rwd model and there is snow on the road turn regen on low. Great write up. Makes me wonder how the model 3 will compare and if they made advancements to help in the cold. | 79 | 32 | 1,815 |
7hiey7 | 294 | Wanted to share Winter driving tips and tricks I live in Ontario Canada. It gets cold here in Winter we usually see temps around -15 to -20c for a good part of the winter. That s around 0f in American temperature ) Going into my 3rd Winter with Wattson I wanted to share some observations and tips from the last 2. 1. Below 0c my car uses a lot more energy per km - my P85D is rated at 200 watts per km (roughly 300 per mile) and in Winter I budget for 300 to 350 (450 to 550 per mile) if it s really cold. For long road trips I basically charge to twice the range I will need to get to the next supercharger. That gives me a small buffer for traffic jams etc. My 400km (250 miles) Tesla is a 300km (185 miles) Tesla in winter assuming she s warm before I get in. Otherwise she s a 200km (125 miles) Tesla if I m getting in after she s sat outside for a day at -15c. Heavy snow will decrease your range because of the extra energy required to overcome the extra friction and drag of driving through snow. The trip computer will initially give you a very optimistic prediction on trips. Don t trust it at first give yourself a huge buffer. It will readjust to a more realistic value after about 30 minutes. Like when I drive to Buffalo it might initially say I ll arrive with 30 percent charge. After half an hour it has readjusted to arriving with a 10 percent charge and that estimate is a lot more accurate. The biggest energy suck in winter is your climate control system. If you turn it off you ll get back to 200 watts per km (300 per mile) but I can tell you from experience that the car gets cold very quickly and seat heat alone will not make up the difference. If you re absolutely stuck then turn climate control off and get a blanket and use seat heat but that s not exactly an ideal scenario for having a luxury car. 2. Range mode - OFF. I have never achieved better mileage with it on in Winter and as it limits heat to the cabin it s a lot less comfortable. No point in shivering when you re not actually improving your range significantly. In Summer I see 5 to 10 percent energy savings which you can achieve easily just by reducing speed 5km hr. With range mode on it actually heats the battery to a hotter temp (40c) than with range mode off (30c) because the battery is more efficient at 40c. The thing is in Winter it takes the same energy to heat the battery to 40c as it releases from the battery once it s heated. 3. Turn side mirror auto-fold OFF for Winter. Your side mirrors will get iced up and stuck if you leave the car outside with folded mirrors and it snows. If you forget and they get iced up find a parking garage and let it warm up. Don t try to force them open they aren t cheap to fix. 4. Your absolute best scenario is to preheat the car while it s plugged in before you drive. If you preheat the interior it will also preheat the battery. With a warm interior and a warm battery your energy burn will still be over 200 but closer to 250 than 300-350. 5. If you start driving with a cold battery it will use energy like crazy for the first 40 or 50 kms while it warms up the interior and the battery. Your regen braking will be affected with a cold battery and so will your acceleration. 6. Seat heat is awesome! Don t forget to turn it on if you have it. Same with heated steering wheel it uses very little energy and is a great perk. 7. I highly recommend Winter tires. I have a dual-motor in my Tesla and the traction control and handling are amazing. This is a great car for Winter handling even with all-season tires. That being said snow tires are a good idea considering you can get a decent set for about 1500 bucks (Canadian dollars for a decent set of 19 inch snow tires) and it s a small fraction of the purchase price of the car. Handling will be similar (if noisier) than all-seasons but you ll stop faster on Winter tires. The extra few feet of stopping distance can be important when dealing with some jackass at an intersection who forgot how to drive in Winter. 8. Though Teslas are amazing in snow they are still very heavy. The anti-lock and traction control are the best I ve ever seen but a Model S still weighs twice as much as a Honda Civic so keep that in mind when the roads are slippery. You are driving a car that is a lot heavier than most it just normally doesn t feel like it cause they have so much power. 9. If you have an older Model S (pre-refresh) the radar sensor is annoyingly low to the ground on the front bumper of the car. It will get covered in ice and slush and that will kill the autopilot. You ll know because the dash display won t show other cars. Only solution is to get out once in a while and scrape the slush out of the radar sensor. In Model X and refreshed model S they moved the sensor up a few inches and it seems to have solved the problem. Progress! 10. Frost will tend to build up on my Model S windshield in the exact area that the cameras for autopilot use. Sometimes it s literally the only spot frost builds up so if you hop into your car and the autopilot doesn t work but the windshield *looks* clear try using the wipers and spray for a second to see if it cleans out the frost patch over the front camera. Any other tips and tricks for Winter you want to share? Edit: Some additional tips from the comments that are useful: 11. When it is cold out supercharging may be affected - when you plug in it may need to warm the battery before it can start charging with any significant speed. This can noticeably extend supercharging wait times. 12. Not everyone realizes that you can double tap on the front defrost icon to turn on max defrost (where it turns red). 13. On very icy roads regen can cause traction issues (more so with RWD but also with AWD). Good winter tires as already mentioned go a long ways to handling this but in really bad situations it may be prudent to turn regen to low - or to be cautious about abruptly letting off of the accelerator pedal. 14. If you lose traction flip the car into neutral. It will disable regen braking and you ll get a lot of traction back. 15. If the car is cold the display may lag a little until it warms up. It will look a little like motion blur in GTA5 but the screens work just fine. | If you have a rwd model and there is snow on the road turn regen on low. Great write up. Makes me wonder how the model 3 will compare and if they made advancements to help in the cold. | Reasons For Crashing During Winter http: cheezburger.com 1482005760 | 32 | 3 | 1,816 |
7hjhv1 | 31 | Tesla doomsayers missing one big thing It seems that everyday you have sites like Seeking Alpha or people like Bub Lutz painting Tesla s impending doom and one of their biggest factors is how all the other car makers are great at making cars and will totally blow them away when they finally decide to just start making e cars in mass. Here s the thing they re good at making ICE cars not electric cars. There s a huge difference and a reason they sell all their current e cars at a loss batteries. That s something they re not good at in fact I think it s pretty clear they re not all that good at all at making batteries. That s why the lose money on their e cars and why they are a long way off from beating Tesla in the mass production of e cars. Most manufacturers don t even have the capability of producing batteries in large quantities Tesla on the other hand produces about half the car batteries in the world with the facility that can continue to ramp up and increase their production level. Other manufacturers have to hope to buy a share of the remaining batteries on the market which could artificially increase their price due to a high demand another benefit of Tesla having the Gigafactory. So in the end if Tesla makes half of the batteries in the world how will all the other car manufacturers be able to “blow them away”? It just seems like a hopeful argument to help out their Tesla short sells. Do I think Tesla stock will continue to skyrocket up no their will be bumps along the way as they expand and ramp up production. They also have a lot of spending coming up to build out the Megacharger Network so maybe more need for capital. But fail? Not a chance. And if the Tesla Network launches in the next few years with autonomous driving well then theirs no limit to how high the stock will go. | GM buys their batteries from LG Chem who knows how to build batteries. Similarly Panasonic and Samsung make batteries for Tesla. Batteries will be more and more commoditized as the supply chain builds out to support EVs. Tesla has a decent advantage now we think but it probably won t last forever. Combining processes in the Gigafactory is hopefully an effective approach but we ll have to see. Of course Tesla may very well have an advantage in R& D. In other words what they tell Panasonic to build them. | Tesla is a technology first and foremost and will fight to be on the forefront off innovation. I d hate to be legacy automaker fighting hard to be continually 3 steps behind Tesla. | 43 | 6 | 1,817 |
7htx43 | 23 | Does anyone have any thoughts on what an eventual updated Model S will look like consist of? I own an S (P85D) and I have a 3 reserved. I reserved the 3 on 3 31 2016. I am considering jumping to the 3 when the dual motors come out but if the new S is super awesome I might just wait for it. Anyone have any thoughts on what an updated S will entail? | Hi. The refresh might include the following: 1. The switch from 18650 to 2170 cells. This is likely to increase the range by 20 miles or more. This will also improve handling because it reduces weight. Despite what Tesla says EPA documents show that the 2170 cells have higher energy density than the 18650 s in the 100 kWh S X pack. 2. The switch from AC induction motors to permanent magnet motors. This is likely to increase the range by 13 miles. It will also increase track performance and Autobahn performance. This too will reduce weight and improve handling. The permanent magnet motors don t go into limp mode as quickly as the current Model S X AC induction motors. Tesla already uses these motors in the Model 3 and the semi truck and I think they will use them in the new Roadster too. Unlike common assumptions these motors are not the less capable economy option. They are superior in every metric (more info [here](https: www.slideshare.net DesignWorldOnline the-best-motor-for-hybrid-electric-vehicle-powertrains-33408764)) and they were more expensive until recently but the prices have come down. Check out paragraph 10 that starts with Alternatively in terms of ... [here](http: rockstone-research.com index.php en research-reports 2072-Commerce-Resources-Well-Positioned-For-Robust-REE-Demand-Growth-Going-Forward). 3. The air went we saw on the Model 3 and the new Roadster might find its way to the S X as well. 4. New improved center console with more storage space and dual smartphone docks like in the Model 3. 5. New front armrest with better cup holder position like in the Model 3. 6. Coathooks like in the Model 3. 7. New and more powerful infotainment computer like in the Model 3. This is a liquid cooled computer with a faster processor. As far as I know the S X don t have this yet. Just to clarify the Model 3 also has a liquid cooled AP2.5 computer that is faster than the AP2.0 computer. I think the S X already have this but they don t have the new infotainment computer. Therefore the Model 3 touchscreen is more responsive. 8. Support for 53% higher Supercharge power. Currently the S X support maximum 120 kW. At 400V that means 120 000 400= 300 Amps. However based on EPA documents the Model 3 supports 525 Amps (source: page 9 [here](https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles FOI_HTSLV00.0L13_APPIPT1.PDF)) at 350 Volts which means 525A * 350V= 183 750 Watts= 184 kilowatts. That s 53% higher than S X. Here is my best guess for the timing: * 30% chance the refresh will happen by the end of Q1 2018. * 40% chance the refresh will happen by the end of Q2 2018. * 50% chance the refresh will happen by the end of Q3 2018. * 60% chance the refresh will happen by the end of Q4 2018. | More 3-like interior but with a binnacle or a HUD (or both). More power of course bigger battery probably. Better materials more available interior trim options. Auto presenting doors I suspect. You should wait. | 38 | 4 | 1,818 |
7hxnqt | 68 | How do Tesla s active safety features stack up against modern ICE vehicles? I know that one of Elon s big bullet points for Tesla is that the cars have some really advanced safety features as standard but aside from a few montage videos showing the forward collision warnings these features are rarely demonstrated in the same way other manufacturers show off their own safety features. For example my Pacifica Limited has: * Alway-on auto lane correct. If for some reason I m not paying attention and the car goes too close to either side of the road the steering wheel will vibrate. A split second later if I don t make a course correction the vehicle just does it for me. It s not meant to be Autopilot it s simply a safety feature and unlike autopilot it is always there unless I explicitly override the feature. * Always-on cross path alert. If I m backing out of a parking space driveway etc. and there is a person or car approaching from even beyond my periphery like 50 feet away even (depending on how fast the object is moving) the car will alert me that something is about to cross my path.. This is one of the most profound safety features in my opinion because its seeing things that would be nearly impossible for me to know about otherwise. Normally in these situations the other object would have to react to me and not vice versa. This level of situational awareness changes the paradigm. * Blind spot monitoring. I have indicators in my side view mirrors whenever a vehicle is in my blind spot. In a large minivan it enables me to have a level of confidence when doing lane changes on a busy highway and I think this is a must for driving sanity if this is a frequent situation for drivers. The placement of the indicator is superb and I m not sure if a center stack IP indicator would be as useful. * Auto-braking alert: Haven t had to use it and hope I never have to but I assume they are all fairly standard. The Pacifica allows you to select how aggressive the auto braking is w 3 settings I believe. I will say that the adaptive cruise on my vehicle will bring me to a smooth stop and resumes at the tap of the accelerator. * Birds-Eye camera view: Pretty darn neat but not sure how profound this is. Once you have a feel for your vehicle s footprint it s really only useful for pulling into very tight spots of which I go out of my way to avoid anyway. I know there are other safety features on my car but the ones above are the clear stand-outs and I d like to hear from current Tesla owners about how these features function on Teslas and whether you think they could improve on any of them. **I m looking at this from a non-autopilot perspective.** | Compared to my Audi the Tesla is embarrassingly bad in this area. | I m not sure what is standard right now (some features that where options are now standard). On my 2016 model S with autopilot option purchase here is the situation (even when autopilot isn t active). * Always-on auto lane correct. The steering wheel will vibrate if you activate the lane-departure warning. It doesn t need autopilot to be active unless you want the car to center itself in the lane automatically. Then why not activate autopilot in the first place ? * Always-on cross path alert. Nothing exists yet. This is probably something that can be added with a software update on the current HW2 vehicles (with long range ultrasound sensors and side cameras in the B pillars). * Blind spot monitoring. There s nothing yet and is a recurrent topic as even the HW1 based vehicles might technically be able to have it (there are ultrasound sensors all around the vehicle so the detection should be possible). Unfortunately no indicator in the side-view mirrors based on the hardware available if this sees the light of day this must either be an audio visual in the console or steering wheel vibration alert. * Auto-braking alert works and is configurable with 4 settings (off and 3 levels). I set it to the most sensitive setting and sometimes it gives me a false alert in some tricky situations (navigating through a maze of parked cars typically). * Birds-Eye camera view not available and I m not sure if the camera positions on the HW2 vehicles make it possible (they are positioned to allow Level 4 self-driving). | 96 | 13 | 1,819 |
7i6xqk | 195 | Tesla is the perfect company to contract with the USPS The [Grumman LLV](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Grumman_LLV) commonly known as the Post Office Truck is at its end-of-life. They entered service starting in 1987 meaning that the oldest of them are now 30 years old. So I think the Tesla should offer a contract to the US to replace the fleet. Many postal service vehicles run stop-and-go at lower speeds especially in suburban and urban environments. This is perfectly suited for an electric vehicle. According to [this source](https: www.greatbusinessschools.org usps-long-life-vehicle ) the average LLV drives only 18 miles per day! Tesla could easily design a basic vehicle and successor to the LLV with a range of approximately 100mi or 150mi in colder climates at a similar cost as the LLV ($25000 adjusted for inflation). The same source indicates that the LLV gets only 9mi gal. Since the USPS drives 765 million miles per year with LLVs they pay approximately $150M in gasoline. They would save $125M year in fuel costs by switching to an electric. And probably a lot more in maintainence costs. Since many post offices are in commercial or industrial zones installation of charging stations would be relatively easily. The vehicles also only run during business hours giving them plenty of time to charge overnight. I therefor conclude that electric vehicles are perfect for the task and naturally Tesla is poised to such ambition. | I agree Tesla would have been perfect for this. But IMO I think they sat out the competition for the contract because it s a big distraction with a little pay-off. The USPS has 215 000 Grumman LLVs in its fleet. Almost as many consumers reserved a Model 3 sight unseen and potentially 500 000 reserved one since the reveal. And with its approx. $60 000 price for early production models the Model 3 would have a better margin than a postal vehicle. When the company is bigger and its product lines are more established I definitely think it s something they should look into though as it would be a great tool to educate the public on the benefits of electric vehicles in places where Teslas are very rare. Here s a list of the contenders for the contract currently with some pictures of the prototypes: https: www.trucks.com 2017 11 06 trucks-compete-next-usps-delivery-vehicle | Could be a good match but the money and time needed to invest to prepare for a change to EVs would be quite large. They need the cash up front to put in enough chargers at every single post office (or where ever they park the trucks over night) for every single truck. Then they need to train all of their mechanics to work on the vehicles. And probably some other things too. USPS doesn t have much free cash flow right now. So I m not saying it s a bad idea or can t be done but there s more to it than just deciding it s a good match. | 56 | 2 | 1,820 |
7i6xqk | 195 | Tesla is the perfect company to contract with the USPS The [Grumman LLV](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Grumman_LLV) commonly known as the Post Office Truck is at its end-of-life. They entered service starting in 1987 meaning that the oldest of them are now 30 years old. So I think the Tesla should offer a contract to the US to replace the fleet. Many postal service vehicles run stop-and-go at lower speeds especially in suburban and urban environments. This is perfectly suited for an electric vehicle. According to [this source](https: www.greatbusinessschools.org usps-long-life-vehicle ) the average LLV drives only 18 miles per day! Tesla could easily design a basic vehicle and successor to the LLV with a range of approximately 100mi or 150mi in colder climates at a similar cost as the LLV ($25000 adjusted for inflation). The same source indicates that the LLV gets only 9mi gal. Since the USPS drives 765 million miles per year with LLVs they pay approximately $150M in gasoline. They would save $125M year in fuel costs by switching to an electric. And probably a lot more in maintainence costs. Since many post offices are in commercial or industrial zones installation of charging stations would be relatively easily. The vehicles also only run during business hours giving them plenty of time to charge overnight. I therefor conclude that electric vehicles are perfect for the task and naturally Tesla is poised to such ambition. | Because they both frequently deliver late? | Could be a good match but the money and time needed to invest to prepare for a change to EVs would be quite large. They need the cash up front to put in enough chargers at every single post office (or where ever they park the trucks over night) for every single truck. Then they need to train all of their mechanics to work on the vehicles. And probably some other things too. USPS doesn t have much free cash flow right now. So I m not saying it s a bad idea or can t be done but there s more to it than just deciding it s a good match. | 34 | 2 | 1,821 |
7i6xqk | 195 | Tesla is the perfect company to contract with the USPS The [Grumman LLV](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Grumman_LLV) commonly known as the Post Office Truck is at its end-of-life. They entered service starting in 1987 meaning that the oldest of them are now 30 years old. So I think the Tesla should offer a contract to the US to replace the fleet. Many postal service vehicles run stop-and-go at lower speeds especially in suburban and urban environments. This is perfectly suited for an electric vehicle. According to [this source](https: www.greatbusinessschools.org usps-long-life-vehicle ) the average LLV drives only 18 miles per day! Tesla could easily design a basic vehicle and successor to the LLV with a range of approximately 100mi or 150mi in colder climates at a similar cost as the LLV ($25000 adjusted for inflation). The same source indicates that the LLV gets only 9mi gal. Since the USPS drives 765 million miles per year with LLVs they pay approximately $150M in gasoline. They would save $125M year in fuel costs by switching to an electric. And probably a lot more in maintainence costs. Since many post offices are in commercial or industrial zones installation of charging stations would be relatively easily. The vehicles also only run during business hours giving them plenty of time to charge overnight. I therefor conclude that electric vehicles are perfect for the task and naturally Tesla is poised to such ambition. | The German postal service was so frustrated that there was no electric vehicle on the marked for this purpose that they started to manufacture their own trucks. Now they are managing the largest electric fleet in germany and I am guessing they are also the biggest producer of electric cars in this country. Source: http: www.dpdhl.com en media_relations specials e-mobility.html | Could be a good match but the money and time needed to invest to prepare for a change to EVs would be quite large. They need the cash up front to put in enough chargers at every single post office (or where ever they park the trucks over night) for every single truck. Then they need to train all of their mechanics to work on the vehicles. And probably some other things too. USPS doesn t have much free cash flow right now. So I m not saying it s a bad idea or can t be done but there s more to it than just deciding it s a good match. | 31 | 2 | 1,822 |
7izitq | 49 | Best and worst states for Tesla ownership? I live in Virginia and I feel like I m in one of the worst places to own a Tesla. There are no tax incentives to buy one and we have this crazy personal property tax that requires us to pay 3% of the first $20K of value of our car every year and then 5% on everything over $20K. So if you own a car valued at $80K you have to pay nearly $4 000 of tax EVERY YEAR. | Every time someone tells me something I didn t know about Virginia it s always something bad and involves oppressive taxes or laws. | Wow how do they determine the value of a car? | 46 | 7 | 1,823 |
7j2fa7 | 42 | Can all four aero wheel covers fit in the drunk? This is something I ve been considering so i can quickly put them on if I m planning to do some long distance driving and want the extra efficiency. Also I haven t seen anyone take the center caps off the aero covers and put them in the wheel underneath. Can this be done or do you need to buy a separate set?? Edit* FRUNK... | Yes frunk..I blame autocorrect.. and alcohol.. | Yes they can fit in the drunk. No you need to buy separate caps and lug covers IIRC. | 31 | 3 | 1,824 |
7j4tfd | 43 | Holy moly where did all the CPOs go? Before the Roadster announcement there were 70ish CPO Model S vehicles available in the US on ev-cpo.com. Today there are just 15 with half of them being in Hawaii. Where did the cars go? | GM bought them all and crushed them. | I ve heard Tesla cranked down the requirements for a car to be considered a CPO now. They don t want to have to do major reconditioning touchup paint new tires etc. | 102 | 2 | 1,825 |
7j4tfd | 43 | Holy moly where did all the CPOs go? Before the Roadster announcement there were 70ish CPO Model S vehicles available in the US on ev-cpo.com. Today there are just 15 with half of them being in Hawaii. Where did the cars go? | GM bought them all and crushed them. | From what I understand a lot of CPOs got directed to be used as service loaners for the time being from other posts. I also believe that the TM3 Launch is causing this so there is a differentiation between MS and TM3. I think it will be a while before you see > 50 CPOs again on the website. | 102 | 12 | 1,826 |
7j7hci | 113 | Model 3 Delivery Phone Call Just received a call from Tesla that my Model 3 is ready for delivery. I placed the order on Nov 24 and it said 4 weeks on the website at the time reality was slightly over 2 weeks. VIN showed up online last Friday (#1735 if anyone cares). The only location option for delivery in LA is in Marina Del Rey. I live in Orange County and they won t let me take delivery in Costa Mesa or Buena Park. Probably can t get it until this weekend. :( Edit: Got the final invoice. At least they are charging me Orange County sales tax (7.75%) instead of the higher LA County tax. California DMV fees are $466 ($374 license fee and $92 registration fee). | I think the Model 3 is more important than work | Are you a Tesla owner? Tesla employee? What s the last four of your VIN? | 134 | 25 | 1,827 |
7jbt2x | 37 | Just wondering: Has anybody ever gone back to an ICE after owning a Tesla? I m curious to see if anyone just couldn t stand to live without their petrol car or if anyone had an experience that just wasn t good enough. Do you remember anybody who has switched from a Tesla to an ICE? | I personally know one person who did but it was because he was in over his head financially not because he wanted to. | First result on google https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads why-i-sold-my-1-month-old-tesla-model-s.103919 | 44 | 2 | 1,828 |
7jbt2x | 37 | Just wondering: Has anybody ever gone back to an ICE after owning a Tesla? I m curious to see if anyone just couldn t stand to live without their petrol car or if anyone had an experience that just wasn t good enough. Do you remember anybody who has switched from a Tesla to an ICE? | I personally know one person who did but it was because he was in over his head financially not because he wanted to. | Yeah there have been a couple on this subreddit. | 44 | 5 | 1,829 |
7jbt2x | 37 | Just wondering: Has anybody ever gone back to an ICE after owning a Tesla? I m curious to see if anyone just couldn t stand to live without their petrol car or if anyone had an experience that just wasn t good enough. Do you remember anybody who has switched from a Tesla to an ICE? | Letting alone Tesla which I don t own I don t want to go back to ICE after driving my Bolt for a month now.. :) | First result on google https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads why-i-sold-my-1-month-old-tesla-model-s.103919 | 35 | 2 | 1,830 |
7jehr4 | 29 | Ex-BMW Audi Mercedes drivers have you noticed people nicer to you when driving a Tesla? I m curious if that has happened to anyone else. I live in a city with quite a few Teslas now. I used to drive a BMW and it was common for people to speed up when I try and pass brake checked me when I honked at them etc. I ve had a Tesla for about 5 months now no change in my behavior on my part and I ve noticed people being significantly nicer to me on the road. Has anyone else noticed this? | I m more dangerous on the road when a Tesla is present because I stare at it | BMWs are notorious for having obnoxious aggressive drivers. You were being treated as guilty by association. | 44 | 4 | 1,831 |
7jehr4 | 29 | Ex-BMW Audi Mercedes drivers have you noticed people nicer to you when driving a Tesla? I m curious if that has happened to anyone else. I live in a city with quite a few Teslas now. I used to drive a BMW and it was common for people to speed up when I try and pass brake checked me when I honked at them etc. I ve had a Tesla for about 5 months now no change in my behavior on my part and I ve noticed people being significantly nicer to me on the road. Has anyone else noticed this? | I m more dangerous on the road when a Tesla is present because I stare at it | Maybe a little. On my commute people are not usually not aggressive. I ve heard people describe BMW drivers as a-h for not signaling and cutting in out of traffic. | 44 | 6 | 1,832 |
7jehr4 | 29 | Ex-BMW Audi Mercedes drivers have you noticed people nicer to you when driving a Tesla? I m curious if that has happened to anyone else. I live in a city with quite a few Teslas now. I used to drive a BMW and it was common for people to speed up when I try and pass brake checked me when I honked at them etc. I ve had a Tesla for about 5 months now no change in my behavior on my part and I ve noticed people being significantly nicer to me on the road. Has anyone else noticed this? | I m more dangerous on the road when a Tesla is present because I stare at it | I m a little interested to see what will happen. I went from a beater lowered 89 Mercedes 190E with no exhaust pipes past the cat and 4 of ground clearance that everyone got the fuck out of the way for to a bone-stock white 06 C230 that got much less respect in traffic and I had to just shove the car into a lane sometimes. Now I ve got an 08 BMW 328i that seems to get more respect than the Mercedes but I m also living in a different area where people are more mellow...our main problem here is people merging into a 65mph freeway at 45mph. | 44 | 6 | 1,833 |
7jk9ts | 150 | Chill mode is a killer feature Guys I think this hasn t been discussed enough. I got the recent software update with chill mode and honestly its GREAT! When I want to drive smoothly I m not in a rush and especially when I have passengers in the back seats chill mode makes the driving really enjoyable. Basically the car accelerates at a much slower pace but it also feels like the regen braking is smoother as well to avoid the abruptness that normally occurs if you just let up completely on the pedal. The other added benefit is in those times where you do want to zip around taking it off Chill mode feels even better because you were used to chill mode acceleration. One more benefit: definitely improves range! Also I haven t tested but I assume autopilot also drives chill which makes for an even smoother ride. | And here I am laughing at all the other manufacturers calling it Eco mode . All they had to do was label the button chill and it would be 10x more popular. Tesla s all about that compelling experience. | I can t imagine ever enabling this feature. If you want to accelerate slower just push lighter on the accelerator! | 116 | 5 | 1,834 |
7jk9ts | 150 | Chill mode is a killer feature Guys I think this hasn t been discussed enough. I got the recent software update with chill mode and honestly its GREAT! When I want to drive smoothly I m not in a rush and especially when I have passengers in the back seats chill mode makes the driving really enjoyable. Basically the car accelerates at a much slower pace but it also feels like the regen braking is smoother as well to avoid the abruptness that normally occurs if you just let up completely on the pedal. The other added benefit is in those times where you do want to zip around taking it off Chill mode feels even better because you were used to chill mode acceleration. One more benefit: definitely improves range! Also I haven t tested but I assume autopilot also drives chill which makes for an even smoother ride. | And here I am laughing at all the other manufacturers calling it Eco mode . All they had to do was label the button chill and it would be 10x more popular. Tesla s all about that compelling experience. | I m renting a Model X soon. Anyone able to upload a pic of the screen showing where to find the *chill mode* option? | 116 | 6 | 1,835 |
7jk9ts | 150 | Chill mode is a killer feature Guys I think this hasn t been discussed enough. I got the recent software update with chill mode and honestly its GREAT! When I want to drive smoothly I m not in a rush and especially when I have passengers in the back seats chill mode makes the driving really enjoyable. Basically the car accelerates at a much slower pace but it also feels like the regen braking is smoother as well to avoid the abruptness that normally occurs if you just let up completely on the pedal. The other added benefit is in those times where you do want to zip around taking it off Chill mode feels even better because you were used to chill mode acceleration. One more benefit: definitely improves range! Also I haven t tested but I assume autopilot also drives chill which makes for an even smoother ride. | And here I am laughing at all the other manufacturers calling it Eco mode . All they had to do was label the button chill and it would be 10x more popular. Tesla s all about that compelling experience. | My wife loves it as a passenger. I m so used to using the power of the car that I sometimes forget that my passengers don t want an adventure. | 116 | 68 | 1,836 |
7k0v5p | 55 | Tesla Model S owners: what s on your wishlist for the next gen Model S? The first Model S was rolled out in 2012 and the facelift model came in April 2016. What do you wish for the next generation or the next facelift of the Model S? I don t own one but I would like to see flollowing: - a more modern infotainment system that feels snappier. - Maybe a better build quality interior and exterior. - New colors? New Paint? - wireless charging for phones - animated indicstors when turning - sportier design Edit: - Full vegan car - OLED Displays - bigger glovebox - 5G connectivity for autonomous driving Let me know what you think! | ================ HARDWARE CHANGES ================ - Bluetooth 5 802.11ac wifi and Extended Range LTE support @ 1 gbps (We may not need the throughput but we definitely need the future-proofing.) - Stream Bluetooth via the AAC codec not SBC. (This is a standard though rarely used Bluetooth feature because most wireless headphones and speakers don t support AAC. It should improve audio quality significantly.) - USB Port Upgrades - Support high wattage USB 3.1 Type C specs. (See Anker PoweriQ tech) - Android and iPod iPhone wired music playback. - Soft-close Frunk (So we don t have to get hand-prints on the hood to close it.) - Infinite-detent soft-close or self-presenting doors (Model S) - Tesla logo puddle lights. Shape them so it looks like there s a square of Tesla-logo carpet laid outside the car. (http: teslatap.com modifications projector-logo-lights ) - Improved lighting in the frunk and trunk. - Multicolor cabin lighting (Could also be used as an alert in certain autopilot situations) - Brushed aluminum window controls (Example Here: https: evannex.com products window-control-covers-for-tesla-model-s#tab-1) - Lower doors sills at entry - Bring the wood trim from the dash around to the doors similar to how it s done in the Model X. - Three-zone climate control so the back seat can have a zone (like the Model X.) - Rear seat air vents in ceiling or on doors in addition to the center console vents - Seat Changes: - Flip-down rear-seat arm rest with pop-forward cup holders. - Integrated charging and brackets so that you can dock mount a tablet flush and semi-permanently to facilitate rear seat entertainment. Include a cover so that those who don t use the feature don t have ugly seatbacks and those that do can cover the tablet(s) when not in use. - Flip-down coat hooks to hang a coat on the back of the seat. - Either allow the headrest to move up a little higher or cut the bottom of the headrest shorter so it doesn t hit the base of my neck when it s in the full-up position. - Inset or embroider the Tesla logo into the headrests and diamond-stich the seating material on some seating panels. - Airbag and or vibration inserts for massage functions (Long shot) - Cooled seats without using perforated seating material - Heads-Up Display (Possibly in leiu of the binnacle screen) - Tire Pressure Control System that can inflate deflate tires based on detected pressure (may have to mount tires with the stems facing inward. This is important because proper tire inflation is so important to range.) | Level 3 autonomy. Quieter interior Faster MCU with app model. | 43 | 3 | 1,837 |
7k0v5p | 55 | Tesla Model S owners: what s on your wishlist for the next gen Model S? The first Model S was rolled out in 2012 and the facelift model came in April 2016. What do you wish for the next generation or the next facelift of the Model S? I don t own one but I would like to see flollowing: - a more modern infotainment system that feels snappier. - Maybe a better build quality interior and exterior. - New colors? New Paint? - wireless charging for phones - animated indicstors when turning - sportier design Edit: - Full vegan car - OLED Displays - bigger glovebox - 5G connectivity for autonomous driving Let me know what you think! | ================ HARDWARE CHANGES ================ - Bluetooth 5 802.11ac wifi and Extended Range LTE support @ 1 gbps (We may not need the throughput but we definitely need the future-proofing.) - Stream Bluetooth via the AAC codec not SBC. (This is a standard though rarely used Bluetooth feature because most wireless headphones and speakers don t support AAC. It should improve audio quality significantly.) - USB Port Upgrades - Support high wattage USB 3.1 Type C specs. (See Anker PoweriQ tech) - Android and iPod iPhone wired music playback. - Soft-close Frunk (So we don t have to get hand-prints on the hood to close it.) - Infinite-detent soft-close or self-presenting doors (Model S) - Tesla logo puddle lights. Shape them so it looks like there s a square of Tesla-logo carpet laid outside the car. (http: teslatap.com modifications projector-logo-lights ) - Improved lighting in the frunk and trunk. - Multicolor cabin lighting (Could also be used as an alert in certain autopilot situations) - Brushed aluminum window controls (Example Here: https: evannex.com products window-control-covers-for-tesla-model-s#tab-1) - Lower doors sills at entry - Bring the wood trim from the dash around to the doors similar to how it s done in the Model X. - Three-zone climate control so the back seat can have a zone (like the Model X.) - Rear seat air vents in ceiling or on doors in addition to the center console vents - Seat Changes: - Flip-down rear-seat arm rest with pop-forward cup holders. - Integrated charging and brackets so that you can dock mount a tablet flush and semi-permanently to facilitate rear seat entertainment. Include a cover so that those who don t use the feature don t have ugly seatbacks and those that do can cover the tablet(s) when not in use. - Flip-down coat hooks to hang a coat on the back of the seat. - Either allow the headrest to move up a little higher or cut the bottom of the headrest shorter so it doesn t hit the base of my neck when it s in the full-up position. - Inset or embroider the Tesla logo into the headrests and diamond-stich the seating material on some seating panels. - Airbag and or vibration inserts for massage functions (Long shot) - Cooled seats without using perforated seating material - Heads-Up Display (Possibly in leiu of the binnacle screen) - Tire Pressure Control System that can inflate deflate tires based on detected pressure (may have to mount tires with the stems facing inward. This is important because proper tire inflation is so important to range.) | - Faster GPU to reduce lag on the touchscreen. - New interior with a more minimalist feel while retaining the 2 screens. I d love to see the AC vents from Model 3 as well. - Quieter interior (maybe with some sort of noise cancellation tech) - Qi Wireless charging pad for phones (as OP mentioned) - Option for simplified door handles (Model 3 style) to reduce complexity and future repair costs - Option for pano windshield from Model X - OP mentioned sportier design -- I d love to see a minor update that pulls cues from the new Roadster | 43 | 13 | 1,838 |
7k0v5p | 55 | Tesla Model S owners: what s on your wishlist for the next gen Model S? The first Model S was rolled out in 2012 and the facelift model came in April 2016. What do you wish for the next generation or the next facelift of the Model S? I don t own one but I would like to see flollowing: - a more modern infotainment system that feels snappier. - Maybe a better build quality interior and exterior. - New colors? New Paint? - wireless charging for phones - animated indicstors when turning - sportier design Edit: - Full vegan car - OLED Displays - bigger glovebox - 5G connectivity for autonomous driving Let me know what you think! | ================ SOFTWARE CHANGES ================ - Allow us to turn on off hiding the top app navigation row in map mode. - Climate Control - Change the color of the indicator based on whether it s heating or cooling - Use data about humidity and sun exposure to adjust how the climate control performs - On sunny days run the fan at a higher setting and or bias the temp a degree cooler - If it s humid outside use recirculate more blow colder air and if necessary run the fan at a lower setting to keep the cabin from getting too cold. - Optionally combat high humidity by over-cooling by two degrees. - Reverse Camera - Allow us to turn on off reverse camera lines - Allow us to turn on off lines turning with the steering wheel. - Allow us to turn on off automatically bringing up the reverse cam if the rear sensors detect a close object (even if we re in drive or park) - Add range markings or colors so we can see how far away objects are before they are detected by the ultrasonics - Bluetooth Phone - Display phone s battery and signal status (Possibly as overlays on the phone icon on the main screen) - Display Read and Reply to Text Messages - Add a Tesla tab to the Phone app to call Roadside Assistance Customer Service and Emergency Services (911 in the US) - Don t connect to a bluetooth phone until either the door opens or the car is turned on. - Offer to pull wifi names and passwords from a connected phone for use by the car s system - Use bluetooth battery level reporting to keep the mobile app up to date with the car s state of charge when the phone is within bluetooth range. - Power Mirrors - Fold when entering Park - Unfold when entering Drive or Reverse except when Summon - Do not unfold while plugged in - Homelink - HL auto-open is inconsistent when the car is moving > 5 mph like when approaching neighborhood gates. Widen the auto-open radius so the car doesn t drive through the trigger point before the signal is sent. - Put the homelink popup on the driver s display and let the driver trigger it with a steering wheel button for less distraction. - Mobile App MyTesla - Everything the Mobile App can do should be available on MyTesla - Show interior and exterior temp in the app at all times. - Push Share addresses from the phone as Nav destinations in the car. - Set a schedule for turning on the climate control. - Add scheduling communication and progress tracking of Service Center appointments and requests (Why call text email the service center when we have this tool?) - Schedule start the car s software update from the app and view the release notes in the app. - Shopping and Shipping Notifications from shop.tesla.com. (Buy accessories from the app and track shipments) - Basic control of the cold weather package accessories and defroster - SiriKit Amazon Alexa Google Assistant support ( Hey Google turn on the climate control in my car. ) - Android Widget to monitor battery level and access basic controls. - Autopilot EAP - Rain Sensing Wipers - Optical Speed Limit Sign Recognition - Detect when we re in the wrong lane for an upcoming turn and warn the driver - Upgrade the ADAS maps to know the difference between a through-lane and a turn exit lane. This could prevent the car from following lane lines into a turn lane when the driver has not indicated that they want to turn. - Optical Stop Sign and Traffic Signal Recognition - First just display the status of the light (Red Yellow Green) or display a stop sign - Later we can have the car actually react to the light or sign - Optical pedestrian detection - First just warn the driver - Later we can have the car actually react to avoid hitting the pedestrian - Improve blind spot monitoring altering. The sensors detect objects but the display isn t very useful or noticable. - Better warning when something is encroaching on our lane even with AP off. - Let us trigger autopark before exiting the vehicle get out and let the car park itself. - When the autopark option comes up add a choice for Exit First. Pressing Exit will put the car in park and it won t resume until all the doors are closed then it performs the autopark. - Enhanced Summon from the garage parking space to the door. This only works from locations the driver has pre-programmed (for now) and the dirver will have to demonstrate the correct route so the car knows where it s allowed to go. Once programmed it can duplicate the route and avoid obstacles. - Charging Battery Management - Add an option to display both miles and battery percentage instead of one or the other - Always keep climate control on when Supercharging - When plugged in disable power saving and range mode. - Allow us to set a charge completion time for charging locations whose charge rate is already known. - Weather: Add an app to the main screen to show weather info and forecase at the current location. - Turn off the windshield wipers when the driver s door is open so it doesn t wipe a bunch of water onto the driver. Also turn them off when an object is detected in the red zone of the driver s front corner at low speeds to prevent spraying drive-through and toll-booth operators. - Streaming Media (Slacker Spotify): - A Refresh button to log out and log back in to refresh favorites and playlists without having to type in credentials. - Allow us to favorite specific artists or albums not just specific songs. - Slacker Premium members should be able to request the same song multiple times in a row and use the back button to replay the same song again since they have no limit to the number of songs they can request. - Warn us if the service doesn t have a license for the requested song instead of just playing something else. - Support for selecting of 128 192 320 kb s streaming rates. (Ultra Hifi Audio System Only?) - Allow creation editing of playlists and Fine Tuning of channels (See Slacker s website) - Support for Audible audio books - Some kind of generic or API support for other streaming services like Spotify Pandora Google Play Music iTunes Amazon Youtube Red etc. (They all have very similar control schemes) - Entertainment System (General): - Fade in fade out volume changes (esp. during play pause) rather than just blasting it. - Automatic volume adjustment (bias) based on speed windshield wiper status sunroof position HVAC fan speed etc. The car already knows all these things and it would be easy to measure the noise levels of each so the car knows how much to increase the volume to maintain the same listening level over the noise. A more advanced version could bias the EQ settings to compensate for different frequencies of known noise sources without having to use a microphone to analyze the noise in real-time. - Reduce audio system volume when reverse is selected (This is a Car and Driver review item and points are deducted if we don t have it.) - Full file format support via USB for: MP3 M4A M4B M3U AAC AAX AIFF FLAC and PLS - Do not resume USB playback on vehicle power up. It screws up audiobooks. Resume all USB audio in a paused state. - Add selectable Volume Normalization Loudness EQ setting and customizable EQ Presets for different types of music. - Do not unmute the radio when the car starts doors open. - Allow me to favorite songs artists from the metadata of FM AM XM Bluetooth audio sources. (Favoriting a song or artist triggers a streaming media search for that song or artist so I can favorite it.) - Automatically cache album art for songs XM channels and radio stations and include a means to clear that cache for troubleshooting purposes. - Media Player Bugs - Terrestrial radio station art doesn t update. If you leave a geographic area and pick up another station s art it may never update again. - XM radio doesn t use channel icons in favorites but it should. - XM radio station browsing is difficult for non-favorite stations. - Navigation: - Give us quick access to POI searches like Restaurants Hotels Rest Areas and Convenience Stores with a quick tap. If I have a destination in the nav already search along my current route. - If my destination is a supercharger show the supercharger power and stall status and update it every 5 minutes so I know if I m planning to charge at a very busy supercharger or it the supercharger goes offline or into reduced performance while I m enroute. - Show my destination s StreetView photo when I m getting close. - Always Default to the Fastest route not the Shortest - Allow me to add enroute stops (via the quick POI searches) - Optional map overlays and data from Zillow Yelp Loopnet etc. Tapping a Zillow or LoopNet listing for example opens that listing in the web browser. - When trip planning allow me to select if I will charge at my destination or not. If I plan to charge I can roll in at a low SoC. If I don t it needs to ensure that I arrive with enough power left to get back to a known charging location. - Homelink: - Factor in vehicle speed when deciding when to trigger homelink. It s easy to drive through a homelink automatic activation point so that it never activates at all. It should work at up to 30 mph for neighborhood gates. (Think seconds away rather than distance in feet. ) - Let us trigger HL from the steering wheel when prompted instead of being distracted looking at the center screen. - Voice Commands: - Google or Search that uses the internal browser to look up a word or phrase on Google. - Cancel navigation - Browser: - Use a modern browser with reasonable performance - Add a setting so I can always allow the use of location data. - On startup do a nice animation across the screens rather than just a black screen or a static Tesla logo. - Subscription-based in-car Wifi | Level 3 autonomy. Quieter interior Faster MCU with app model. | 29 | 3 | 1,839 |
7k2obc | 35 | What are your main complaints about the Model 3? It can t be perfect! - No Apple Carplay Android Auto - No Wireless Charging Dock - No USB-C 100W Power Delivery ports - Piano Black center console (finger magnet) - Lead-Acid Battery - No HUD - The premium options are bundled - No Hatchback - no tow hitch -no cooled seats | It s not in my garage yet. | I really don t want apple carplay android auto very much prefer what tesla has to offer and looking forward to innovation there. My main complaint (besides wanting it yesterday) is that it won t have biohazard mode or automated front doors both of which I have grown to love with the Model X. But I guess I can live without it :) Also I do prefer the charge port design of Model S X. From a recent test drive I know its going to be the most awesome car for me though so take none of these complaints as real issues. | 88 | 2 | 1,840 |
7k2obc | 35 | What are your main complaints about the Model 3? It can t be perfect! - No Apple Carplay Android Auto - No Wireless Charging Dock - No USB-C 100W Power Delivery ports - Piano Black center console (finger magnet) - Lead-Acid Battery - No HUD - The premium options are bundled - No Hatchback - no tow hitch -no cooled seats | It s not in my garage yet. | - Cruise control speed adjustment (particularly when lacking adaptive cruise control) - Adaptive cruise control following distance adjustment - Wiper Controls I believe a 3rd stalk would solve all of my gripes... edit: I also think the aesthetics of the steering wheel could be improved... the bottom spoke looks particularly cheap. | 88 | 4 | 1,841 |
7k2obc | 35 | What are your main complaints about the Model 3? It can t be perfect! - No Apple Carplay Android Auto - No Wireless Charging Dock - No USB-C 100W Power Delivery ports - Piano Black center console (finger magnet) - Lead-Acid Battery - No HUD - The premium options are bundled - No Hatchback - no tow hitch -no cooled seats | It s not in my garage yet. | My complaints are that it s not here s Also 1 and 2 on your list. I d like 3 but don t really care. | 88 | 6 | 1,842 |
7k3bqh | 100 | Tesla was 8 months late installing $36 000.00 solar system. Offered $364.52 compensation. I signed a contract to purchase a solar system for my house last January. The project was delayed several times because Tesla had to keep sending technicians out to photograph and record stuff about my house. Then Tesla ran out of batteries and had to re-design the system. Then Tesla installed some faulty parts that needed to be replaced. Then the system repeatedly failed the city electrical inspection. When the system finally passed the city electrical inspection it was 11 months after I signed the contract and 8 months after the estimated completion date. I asked Tesla to credit me for just the electricity and SRECs that they system would have produced during the 8 month delay. I did not ask for compensation for any of the many additional days that I had to miss work to be at my house for them. After a couple of weeks and meetings on their side they said that they would credit me $364. Has anyone else had a similar experience and what was the resolution? | If it makes you feel any better SolarCity botched the install on the inverters at my work and they caught fire this past summer (before they were even powered up). We are still waiting for them to pull new wiring to the panels. Tesla just keeps giving my employer the runaround. Not great customer service for a 2+MW system and we have several others with them already. | > I asked Tesla to credit me for just the electricity and SRECs that they system would have produced during the 8 month delay. How much would that add up to in your case? | 60 | 2 | 1,843 |
7k3bqh | 100 | Tesla was 8 months late installing $36 000.00 solar system. Offered $364.52 compensation. I signed a contract to purchase a solar system for my house last January. The project was delayed several times because Tesla had to keep sending technicians out to photograph and record stuff about my house. Then Tesla ran out of batteries and had to re-design the system. Then Tesla installed some faulty parts that needed to be replaced. Then the system repeatedly failed the city electrical inspection. When the system finally passed the city electrical inspection it was 11 months after I signed the contract and 8 months after the estimated completion date. I asked Tesla to credit me for just the electricity and SRECs that they system would have produced during the 8 month delay. I did not ask for compensation for any of the many additional days that I had to miss work to be at my house for them. After a couple of weeks and meetings on their side they said that they would credit me $364. Has anyone else had a similar experience and what was the resolution? | If it makes you feel any better SolarCity botched the install on the inverters at my work and they caught fire this past summer (before they were even powered up). We are still waiting for them to pull new wiring to the panels. Tesla just keeps giving my employer the runaround. Not great customer service for a 2+MW system and we have several others with them already. | You want money for waiting? Here s $364. | 60 | 3 | 1,844 |
7k3bqh | 100 | Tesla was 8 months late installing $36 000.00 solar system. Offered $364.52 compensation. I signed a contract to purchase a solar system for my house last January. The project was delayed several times because Tesla had to keep sending technicians out to photograph and record stuff about my house. Then Tesla ran out of batteries and had to re-design the system. Then Tesla installed some faulty parts that needed to be replaced. Then the system repeatedly failed the city electrical inspection. When the system finally passed the city electrical inspection it was 11 months after I signed the contract and 8 months after the estimated completion date. I asked Tesla to credit me for just the electricity and SRECs that they system would have produced during the 8 month delay. I did not ask for compensation for any of the many additional days that I had to miss work to be at my house for them. After a couple of weeks and meetings on their side they said that they would credit me $364. Has anyone else had a similar experience and what was the resolution? | Tesla badly needs a COO. I ll keep repeating this until they get one. This cannot happen if they want to expand. Tesla early-adopter fans may be lenient but 8 months is ridiculous. | > I asked Tesla to credit me for just the electricity and SRECs that they system would have produced during the 8 month delay. How much would that add up to in your case? | 39 | 2 | 1,845 |
7k50c1 | 159 | Model 3 thoughts as a P85 owner because holy $*#@ I got to drive one tonight!!! I recently moved to Austin TX and have been on the lookout for a Model 3 on the road after seeing there are a few in the area. Last Thursday I pulled up next to one at a light and long story short he was having a Tesla meetup tonight at his house and invited me. I was super apprehensive and respectful of this being a brand new car and figured I might get to take a few pics and ask some questions but he was more than welcoming to let me sit in it and play with the controls. He only asked I don t take any pictures of the interior which I didn t question and gladly obliged. All in all I was there a few hours and kept going back to sit in inspect the car as others were done and I thought of more things to look at. Once everyone was leaving he asked me if I wanted to go on a test drive which of course I said yes. Then he asked me if I wanted to drive. Are you kidding me is this really happening? Here are my takeaways from the car and driving it. This car looks AWESOME in person. Seriously there isn t a bad angle on it. It was dark blue with the premium wheels which is probably what I want to get now until I see another I like better. The fit and finish was spot on. No issues with alignment or body gaps. I hope this remains the same as production ramps up. I did have to close the doors and trunk a little harder than expected to but nothing too crazy. Driving the car at night it was weird having nothing above the steering wheel display wise. It was dark and I kept looking for information that wasn t there. I m sure this is something you eventually get used to but for a test drive it seemed strange. The display screen looked smaller than I expected but displayed all information nicely. It was strange not knowing where most controls were as it s completely different than the S X but not hard to find things as it s well laid out and intuitive. It ll be a small learning curve for sure but not bad. The card key is a valet key the everyday key is the phone app. The owner s wife demonstrated walking away from the car and back with the phone in her pocket and the car responded the same as mine does with the fob in my pocket. You don t have to pull your phone out every time you enter exit the car to lock unlock which was really cool. The car is fast. Not P85 (or more) fast mind you but definitely no slouch. There s no nook in the glovebox for the charging adapter. The frunk is smaller than I expected and more shallow. Makes sense since the Model S hood is massive but you don t realize it until you see it. The steering wheel looks small but felt great. The car was responsive looked and felt extremely high end and aside from a few small details is basically a small Model S. Half the price but not half the car maybe 85% of the Model S as far as what you re getting. Overall I really liked the minimalist design of the car. Things that were missing from a traditional car or Model S aren t missed and it makes sense they aren t there. It doesn t feel like just cost cutting you can see the thought that went into the design and layout of every single thing. | > Overall I really liked the minimalist design of the car. Things that were missing from a traditional car or Model S aren t missed and it makes sense they aren t there. It doesn t feel like just cost cutting you can see the thought that went into the design and layout of every single thing. This is my impression - for example I fully understand why there is no display above the wheel it allows maximum adjust-ability of the wheel position... I also think Tesla have now refined the Tesla look that is consistent across the Model 3 the Semi and the new Roadster... I expect Model S X to eventually move in that direction ... | > Half the price but not half the car maybe 85% of the Model S I disagree. The Model 3 is superior in many aspects. See the list [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6swl45 tesla_called_me_regarding_my_model_3_reservation dlg3uul ). | 56 | 7 | 1,846 |
7k50c1 | 159 | Model 3 thoughts as a P85 owner because holy $*#@ I got to drive one tonight!!! I recently moved to Austin TX and have been on the lookout for a Model 3 on the road after seeing there are a few in the area. Last Thursday I pulled up next to one at a light and long story short he was having a Tesla meetup tonight at his house and invited me. I was super apprehensive and respectful of this being a brand new car and figured I might get to take a few pics and ask some questions but he was more than welcoming to let me sit in it and play with the controls. He only asked I don t take any pictures of the interior which I didn t question and gladly obliged. All in all I was there a few hours and kept going back to sit in inspect the car as others were done and I thought of more things to look at. Once everyone was leaving he asked me if I wanted to go on a test drive which of course I said yes. Then he asked me if I wanted to drive. Are you kidding me is this really happening? Here are my takeaways from the car and driving it. This car looks AWESOME in person. Seriously there isn t a bad angle on it. It was dark blue with the premium wheels which is probably what I want to get now until I see another I like better. The fit and finish was spot on. No issues with alignment or body gaps. I hope this remains the same as production ramps up. I did have to close the doors and trunk a little harder than expected to but nothing too crazy. Driving the car at night it was weird having nothing above the steering wheel display wise. It was dark and I kept looking for information that wasn t there. I m sure this is something you eventually get used to but for a test drive it seemed strange. The display screen looked smaller than I expected but displayed all information nicely. It was strange not knowing where most controls were as it s completely different than the S X but not hard to find things as it s well laid out and intuitive. It ll be a small learning curve for sure but not bad. The card key is a valet key the everyday key is the phone app. The owner s wife demonstrated walking away from the car and back with the phone in her pocket and the car responded the same as mine does with the fob in my pocket. You don t have to pull your phone out every time you enter exit the car to lock unlock which was really cool. The car is fast. Not P85 (or more) fast mind you but definitely no slouch. There s no nook in the glovebox for the charging adapter. The frunk is smaller than I expected and more shallow. Makes sense since the Model S hood is massive but you don t realize it until you see it. The steering wheel looks small but felt great. The car was responsive looked and felt extremely high end and aside from a few small details is basically a small Model S. Half the price but not half the car maybe 85% of the Model S as far as what you re getting. Overall I really liked the minimalist design of the car. Things that were missing from a traditional car or Model S aren t missed and it makes sense they aren t there. It doesn t feel like just cost cutting you can see the thought that went into the design and layout of every single thing. | > Overall I really liked the minimalist design of the car. Things that were missing from a traditional car or Model S aren t missed and it makes sense they aren t there. It doesn t feel like just cost cutting you can see the thought that went into the design and layout of every single thing. This is my impression - for example I fully understand why there is no display above the wheel it allows maximum adjust-ability of the wheel position... I also think Tesla have now refined the Tesla look that is consistent across the Model 3 the Semi and the new Roadster... I expect Model S X to eventually move in that direction ... | So it s not quite as fast as the P85 (to be expected) but what about ride quality? Steering? How did it feel? I ve heard several comparisons of the drive dynamics to a Porsche Cayman. I can t tell if these are generic comparisons for anything planted and quick or if there are specific attributes they share. I remember the first time I drove a Porsche and what a revelation it was in terms of feel. How smooth it was how solid it felt and how responsive and composed it was at speed. Would you say these things are true of the Model 3? | 56 | 8 | 1,847 |
7keghj | 31 | I assume Model S 2.0 will use a 200 kWh battery too? (at least the performance model) Now that the designs of Roadster Semi and Model 3 are finished I m expecting Tesla will start the work on designing the 2.0 version of Model S which may be announced a year or two after Roadster 2.0 starts shipping or also about 10 years after the introduction of the first Model S. If Musk can further cut the battery prices of Roadster by ~2022 when I think the new Model S will come out I think it should be possible to have 200 kWh batteries in the new Model S. Maybe the base model could at least start with 100 kWh an upgrade to 150kWh and the performance model could have the 200 kWh battery and it would then be called something like P200T (triple motor like the Roadster). This would also improve the acceleration and lifetime of the new Model S battery (and of course the range too). I think it would also be good if the *facelift* version of Model 3 would come with at least a 100 kWh battery with an upgrade to 150kWh. Keep only 3 battery pack designs across these cars. Although we may see a 250-300 kWh version for the Roadster later on. If Musk ever decides to launch a cheaper EV we may continue to see a 60 kWh battery in a sub-$20 000 EV. | I would think gradual increases in top capacity is more likely as they ve been doing since the S was released. | They would be crazy to wait 5 years to update the Model S. The car already looks dated compared to the Model 3 and Tesla clearly knows this and is worried the Model 3 will cannibalize their sales – hence the strong anti-selling of the 3. I would say that Model S is likely to get a big battery upgrade around the time frame you suggest but I think that will be the next next upgrade. We ll see a significant interior upgrade within the next year. | 32 | 2 | 1,848 |
7keghj | 31 | I assume Model S 2.0 will use a 200 kWh battery too? (at least the performance model) Now that the designs of Roadster Semi and Model 3 are finished I m expecting Tesla will start the work on designing the 2.0 version of Model S which may be announced a year or two after Roadster 2.0 starts shipping or also about 10 years after the introduction of the first Model S. If Musk can further cut the battery prices of Roadster by ~2022 when I think the new Model S will come out I think it should be possible to have 200 kWh batteries in the new Model S. Maybe the base model could at least start with 100 kWh an upgrade to 150kWh and the performance model could have the 200 kWh battery and it would then be called something like P200T (triple motor like the Roadster). This would also improve the acceleration and lifetime of the new Model S battery (and of course the range too). I think it would also be good if the *facelift* version of Model 3 would come with at least a 100 kWh battery with an upgrade to 150kWh. Keep only 3 battery pack designs across these cars. Although we may see a 250-300 kWh version for the Roadster later on. If Musk ever decides to launch a cheaper EV we may continue to see a 60 kWh battery in a sub-$20 000 EV. | I would think gradual increases in top capacity is more likely as they ve been doing since the S was released. | The Roadster is a flagship car I doubt they will match the battery size on the next gen S. I m sure they could but I just doubt they would to keep the prestige of the Roadster. But... what do I know? | 32 | 5 | 1,849 |
7kjngd | 101 | [Discussion] Tesla Sightings & Vanity Posts In my opinion the number of model 3 sighting threads is getting really ridiculous and clogging up the front page of r teslamotors. Not to mention the vanity posts about people who have ordered a car or other vanity posts like I had a Tesla birthday cake . Currently (4 hours ago) the top post in r teslamotors is someone posting the plate for the car they have ordered. Can that post generate some actual fruitful discussion? I m very dubious. My suggestion is that the mods rule these kinds of threads as superfluous and rule that all sightings of nothing atypical be pushed into one post perhaps the weekly experience threads. Currently no-one really does this and just posts their own new post. Often the front page of r teslamotors is > 50% about a model 3 seen in the wild or the order they just placed. R teslamotors is a great place for discussion and when it s clogged up of these kinds of posts it loses it s value significantly. Good interesting discussions disappear and they lose depth and focus as people don t often go beyond the front page. Current Top 25 Posts on r teslamotors (4 hours ago) and I m paraphrasing the contents: * **Look at my plate** * **I detailed my Model X** * **I saw 4 red Model 3 s today** * **Another Model 3 was delivered** * Tesla Model S model added to GTA * **I saw a Model 3 in Chicago** * Cars clogging up a supercharger * New Tesla Service Center picture * Jeremy Clarkson comments about self-driving * **I m getting my Model 3 in a month** * A Model S was modded into a wagon * Model 3 config access first report. * **I ordered a Model 3** * **I saw a Model 3** * **I ordered a Model 3** * **I had a Tesla birthday cake** * Model X on top of a restaurant * Model S changes over 2 years * **Saw some Model 3 s at the Fremont carpark** * **Got my Model X today** * Supercharger nearly online * **Saw a Model X taxi** * Discussion on a revamped Model S s battery * **Got my Model S today** I ve highlighted posts that I think fall into the category of Model 3 sightings or vanity posts as of this minute. And they total 15 of the top 25 posts or 60% of posts. In my opinion this is valuable and lost real estate for good discussion about Tesla. & nbsp Thoughts? & nbsp & nbsp Note: I m posting this after finding my comment in the weekly Q& A thread was hardly seen from the low replies in the weekly posts it looks like they get little visibility. And I think this is a relatively important discussion to be had. That comment was made 4 hours before this one and so my observations were taken then. | People vote up what they like and vote down what they don t... | Agree tired of post such vin spotting and model 3 spotting. No purpose for discussion and to me those are just creepy. I wanna go on here to read good content. | 58 | 8 | 1,850 |
7kjngd | 101 | [Discussion] Tesla Sightings & Vanity Posts In my opinion the number of model 3 sighting threads is getting really ridiculous and clogging up the front page of r teslamotors. Not to mention the vanity posts about people who have ordered a car or other vanity posts like I had a Tesla birthday cake . Currently (4 hours ago) the top post in r teslamotors is someone posting the plate for the car they have ordered. Can that post generate some actual fruitful discussion? I m very dubious. My suggestion is that the mods rule these kinds of threads as superfluous and rule that all sightings of nothing atypical be pushed into one post perhaps the weekly experience threads. Currently no-one really does this and just posts their own new post. Often the front page of r teslamotors is > 50% about a model 3 seen in the wild or the order they just placed. R teslamotors is a great place for discussion and when it s clogged up of these kinds of posts it loses it s value significantly. Good interesting discussions disappear and they lose depth and focus as people don t often go beyond the front page. Current Top 25 Posts on r teslamotors (4 hours ago) and I m paraphrasing the contents: * **Look at my plate** * **I detailed my Model X** * **I saw 4 red Model 3 s today** * **Another Model 3 was delivered** * Tesla Model S model added to GTA * **I saw a Model 3 in Chicago** * Cars clogging up a supercharger * New Tesla Service Center picture * Jeremy Clarkson comments about self-driving * **I m getting my Model 3 in a month** * A Model S was modded into a wagon * Model 3 config access first report. * **I ordered a Model 3** * **I saw a Model 3** * **I ordered a Model 3** * **I had a Tesla birthday cake** * Model X on top of a restaurant * Model S changes over 2 years * **Saw some Model 3 s at the Fremont carpark** * **Got my Model X today** * Supercharger nearly online * **Saw a Model X taxi** * Discussion on a revamped Model S s battery * **Got my Model S today** I ve highlighted posts that I think fall into the category of Model 3 sightings or vanity posts as of this minute. And they total 15 of the top 25 posts or 60% of posts. In my opinion this is valuable and lost real estate for good discussion about Tesla. & nbsp Thoughts? & nbsp & nbsp Note: I m posting this after finding my comment in the weekly Q& A thread was hardly seen from the low replies in the weekly posts it looks like they get little visibility. And I think this is a relatively important discussion to be had. That comment was made 4 hours before this one and so my observations were taken then. | People vote up what they like and vote down what they don t... | This is a perfectly fine idea but because of the language you ve used including *in my opinion vanity ridiculous superfluous * you can probably expect to be downvoted. This is a decent rule of thumb for many circumstances where you re going to be advocating for something where you re a minority: think about what you want - in this case more high quality tesla discussion - and stay positive while framing your arguments less as an attack and more in support of what you want. | 58 | 12 | 1,851 |
7kjngd | 101 | [Discussion] Tesla Sightings & Vanity Posts In my opinion the number of model 3 sighting threads is getting really ridiculous and clogging up the front page of r teslamotors. Not to mention the vanity posts about people who have ordered a car or other vanity posts like I had a Tesla birthday cake . Currently (4 hours ago) the top post in r teslamotors is someone posting the plate for the car they have ordered. Can that post generate some actual fruitful discussion? I m very dubious. My suggestion is that the mods rule these kinds of threads as superfluous and rule that all sightings of nothing atypical be pushed into one post perhaps the weekly experience threads. Currently no-one really does this and just posts their own new post. Often the front page of r teslamotors is > 50% about a model 3 seen in the wild or the order they just placed. R teslamotors is a great place for discussion and when it s clogged up of these kinds of posts it loses it s value significantly. Good interesting discussions disappear and they lose depth and focus as people don t often go beyond the front page. Current Top 25 Posts on r teslamotors (4 hours ago) and I m paraphrasing the contents: * **Look at my plate** * **I detailed my Model X** * **I saw 4 red Model 3 s today** * **Another Model 3 was delivered** * Tesla Model S model added to GTA * **I saw a Model 3 in Chicago** * Cars clogging up a supercharger * New Tesla Service Center picture * Jeremy Clarkson comments about self-driving * **I m getting my Model 3 in a month** * A Model S was modded into a wagon * Model 3 config access first report. * **I ordered a Model 3** * **I saw a Model 3** * **I ordered a Model 3** * **I had a Tesla birthday cake** * Model X on top of a restaurant * Model S changes over 2 years * **Saw some Model 3 s at the Fremont carpark** * **Got my Model X today** * Supercharger nearly online * **Saw a Model X taxi** * Discussion on a revamped Model S s battery * **Got my Model S today** I ve highlighted posts that I think fall into the category of Model 3 sightings or vanity posts as of this minute. And they total 15 of the top 25 posts or 60% of posts. In my opinion this is valuable and lost real estate for good discussion about Tesla. & nbsp Thoughts? & nbsp & nbsp Note: I m posting this after finding my comment in the weekly Q& A thread was hardly seen from the low replies in the weekly posts it looks like they get little visibility. And I think this is a relatively important discussion to be had. That comment was made 4 hours before this one and so my observations were taken then. | People vote up what they like and vote down what they don t... | I m still trying to figure out why that delivery of the Model X got so many upvotes... | 58 | 12 | 1,852 |
7kunig | 210 | Driving an ICE after the Model 3 We ve had our Model 3 for about 3 weeks now. I drive it during the week since I have a longer commute. My wife drives it on weekends. Which means that when she has it I m stuck with the Prius. Don t get me wrong the Prius is a great car. But it now feels terrible to drive it. Regen Braking: It takes you a couple of stops to get used to the regen braking. At first it feels unnatural. But give it time and you learn to love it. The car feels much more “controlled”. Now driving the Prius especially downhill feels like a loose cannon ball rolling down and I feel so dependent on the brakes to stop it. It feels flat out unsafe. With the Tesla even going downhill I just let go of the accelerator slowly and the car practically comes to a stop by itself. I only have to use the brakes at the last 5-10% of the stop. The car just feels so in control. It s amazing. Steering: This thing feels so good to drive. It s hard to explain it or quantify it. And again for lack of a better word the Prius feels “loose” in comparison. The Tesla feels solid. Making tight turns or any steering in general the Model 3 just gets it it feels connected. The Prius doesn t. It even ruined my perception of our now replaced Accord which was my car and I loved. Accelerating: WTF. You guys know this already but Jesus. The Tesla just responds. At full stop? Responds. Going 70 and need to pass someone? Responds. Just a gentle press on the accelerator and this thing goes instantly. It feels like an extension of yourself. They got it tweaked just right. It accelerates exactly how much you want it to. By comparison the Prius or even the Accord feel laggy. It is as if there is a middle man that relays the information. It doesn t feel quite right. There are many others but I wanted to only talk about the driving experience itself. When I get into the Prius now I feel like I opened a door to the past. Feels antiquated deprecated old. And I can t wait to go back to the future. TL DR: As it has been said time and time again here driving a Tesla ruins other cars. Edit: Spelling Edit: For the people complaining about the comparison between a Prius and a Model 3. Look I have a Prius I had a Accord Coupe EX V6. Those are the only two cars I can compare to. I can t compare to an Audi or BMW or Mercedes because I don t own them. | Stop I can only get so erect before my 3 arrives. | If you put the Prius into B mode with the gear selector it increases Regen braking making it feel more like a full electric car. | 103 | 4 | 1,853 |
7kunig | 210 | Driving an ICE after the Model 3 We ve had our Model 3 for about 3 weeks now. I drive it during the week since I have a longer commute. My wife drives it on weekends. Which means that when she has it I m stuck with the Prius. Don t get me wrong the Prius is a great car. But it now feels terrible to drive it. Regen Braking: It takes you a couple of stops to get used to the regen braking. At first it feels unnatural. But give it time and you learn to love it. The car feels much more “controlled”. Now driving the Prius especially downhill feels like a loose cannon ball rolling down and I feel so dependent on the brakes to stop it. It feels flat out unsafe. With the Tesla even going downhill I just let go of the accelerator slowly and the car practically comes to a stop by itself. I only have to use the brakes at the last 5-10% of the stop. The car just feels so in control. It s amazing. Steering: This thing feels so good to drive. It s hard to explain it or quantify it. And again for lack of a better word the Prius feels “loose” in comparison. The Tesla feels solid. Making tight turns or any steering in general the Model 3 just gets it it feels connected. The Prius doesn t. It even ruined my perception of our now replaced Accord which was my car and I loved. Accelerating: WTF. You guys know this already but Jesus. The Tesla just responds. At full stop? Responds. Going 70 and need to pass someone? Responds. Just a gentle press on the accelerator and this thing goes instantly. It feels like an extension of yourself. They got it tweaked just right. It accelerates exactly how much you want it to. By comparison the Prius or even the Accord feel laggy. It is as if there is a middle man that relays the information. It doesn t feel quite right. There are many others but I wanted to only talk about the driving experience itself. When I get into the Prius now I feel like I opened a door to the past. Feels antiquated deprecated old. And I can t wait to go back to the future. TL DR: As it has been said time and time again here driving a Tesla ruins other cars. Edit: Spelling Edit: For the people complaining about the comparison between a Prius and a Model 3. Look I have a Prius I had a Accord Coupe EX V6. Those are the only two cars I can compare to. I can t compare to an Audi or BMW or Mercedes because I don t own them. | Stop I can only get so erect before my 3 arrives. | 1 pedal driving ftw! | 103 | 10 | 1,854 |
7kunig | 210 | Driving an ICE after the Model 3 We ve had our Model 3 for about 3 weeks now. I drive it during the week since I have a longer commute. My wife drives it on weekends. Which means that when she has it I m stuck with the Prius. Don t get me wrong the Prius is a great car. But it now feels terrible to drive it. Regen Braking: It takes you a couple of stops to get used to the regen braking. At first it feels unnatural. But give it time and you learn to love it. The car feels much more “controlled”. Now driving the Prius especially downhill feels like a loose cannon ball rolling down and I feel so dependent on the brakes to stop it. It feels flat out unsafe. With the Tesla even going downhill I just let go of the accelerator slowly and the car practically comes to a stop by itself. I only have to use the brakes at the last 5-10% of the stop. The car just feels so in control. It s amazing. Steering: This thing feels so good to drive. It s hard to explain it or quantify it. And again for lack of a better word the Prius feels “loose” in comparison. The Tesla feels solid. Making tight turns or any steering in general the Model 3 just gets it it feels connected. The Prius doesn t. It even ruined my perception of our now replaced Accord which was my car and I loved. Accelerating: WTF. You guys know this already but Jesus. The Tesla just responds. At full stop? Responds. Going 70 and need to pass someone? Responds. Just a gentle press on the accelerator and this thing goes instantly. It feels like an extension of yourself. They got it tweaked just right. It accelerates exactly how much you want it to. By comparison the Prius or even the Accord feel laggy. It is as if there is a middle man that relays the information. It doesn t feel quite right. There are many others but I wanted to only talk about the driving experience itself. When I get into the Prius now I feel like I opened a door to the past. Feels antiquated deprecated old. And I can t wait to go back to the future. TL DR: As it has been said time and time again here driving a Tesla ruins other cars. Edit: Spelling Edit: For the people complaining about the comparison between a Prius and a Model 3. Look I have a Prius I had a Accord Coupe EX V6. Those are the only two cars I can compare to. I can t compare to an Audi or BMW or Mercedes because I don t own them. | Stop I can only get so erect before my 3 arrives. | Flat out unsafe? Lol. So dramatic | 103 | 12 | 1,855 |
7l2436 | 43 | In a multi-Tesla household how can we use the Tesla app so Person A only sees Car A and Person B to Car B mutually exclusive? I know it can be done with different logins but what if the household uses the same Tesla account? | sounds like you are trying to avoid your wife seeing where you are driving via the app.... | With 1 Tesla account you can t. I read one reference on the official forum about VIN sharing ... that a car can be accessible in 2 accounts. So maybe you can call Tesla add have the cars spilt into 2 accounts with one shared. | 34 | 6 | 1,856 |
7l2436 | 43 | In a multi-Tesla household how can we use the Tesla app so Person A only sees Car A and Person B to Car B mutually exclusive? I know it can be done with different logins but what if the household uses the same Tesla account? | sounds like you are trying to avoid your wife seeing where you are driving via the app.... | There is no way if they are on the same login. Some of the 3rd party apps do support this. | 34 | 8 | 1,857 |
7la4jl | 60 | My Dad is (rightly) Obsessed with His Tesla. What s a good gift? Hi All My dad got a Tesla (much to my Mom s distraught and disappointment) and he LOVES this thing. Our family never really cared about cars and never had the top model or anything. This was his first luxury purchase that I can ever remember. Anyways I just got my mom a gift and now I d like to give my dad a gift. I thought due to his obsession with his car. I d make it either Tesla related or some kind of accessory for his Tesla (Model S I think...~80k 250 miles per charge). Any ideas? I m not looking to spend hundreds of dollars (unless it s something SUPER cool and amazing and totally worth it). Thanks! edit: Thank you all for your suggestions. I went with the LED replacement lights by Abstract Ocean suggested by u curious_cortex (assist by u I_like_my_coffee_hot) They re slated to arrive Thursday Dec 28th (Don t worry we don t do Christmas so timing isn t an issue). My dad will not only love them but will (hopefully) like the process of the install :) | The Tesla Corp jacket if he doesn t have one already! Link: https: shop.tesla.com us en product apparel men_s-corp-jacket.html?sku=100036703 | If his car doesn t have a spoiler yet maybe that s a good gift. There s a couple on amazon for ~$200 | 33 | 2 | 1,858 |
7lc4yv | 76 | Just received my Model 3 VIN with delivery for next week! Looks like we will be going from invite to delivery in a 2 week span. We are previous owners non employee live nearish factory. Was about 300 in line 3 31. That was fast. | I got mine this morning too... 2891. | Congrats! What color wheel combo did you get? | 34 | 2 | 1,859 |
7lc4yv | 76 | Just received my Model 3 VIN with delivery for next week! Looks like we will be going from invite to delivery in a 2 week span. We are previous owners non employee live nearish factory. Was about 300 in line 3 31. That was fast. | I got mine this morning too... 2891. | hnggh | 34 | 8 | 1,860 |
7le0jn | 156 | I m starting a 23000 km road trip this weekend in my Model 3 and would love to show you the car along the way! Please see the road trip s official Facebook page which is here: facebook.com tsla3 | [Here s the map](https: www.google.com maps d viewer?hl=en& mid=139UfgNNt9uEgGNZWk2m5YfJKFK1G7Dt7& ll=36.52196479364747%2C-114.45645979999995& z=3) of where they will be. I look forward to seeing you in Burlington NC! Fun fact: it s right beside a town called Elon. Fitting. | See you in Seattle. Thanks for doing this! Hope you get the record. | 35 | 3 | 1,861 |
7le0jn | 156 | I m starting a 23000 km road trip this weekend in my Model 3 and would love to show you the car along the way! Please see the road trip s official Facebook page which is here: facebook.com tsla3 | [Here s the map](https: www.google.com maps d viewer?hl=en& mid=139UfgNNt9uEgGNZWk2m5YfJKFK1G7Dt7& ll=36.52196479364747%2C-114.45645979999995& z=3) of where they will be. I look forward to seeing you in Burlington NC! Fun fact: it s right beside a town called Elon. Fitting. | Signed up for Portland. Hope I get to see you and the car. | 35 | 7 | 1,862 |
7le0jn | 156 | I m starting a 23000 km road trip this weekend in my Model 3 and would love to show you the car along the way! Please see the road trip s official Facebook page which is here: facebook.com tsla3 | [Here s the map](https: www.google.com maps d viewer?hl=en& mid=139UfgNNt9uEgGNZWk2m5YfJKFK1G7Dt7& ll=36.52196479364747%2C-114.45645979999995& z=3) of where they will be. I look forward to seeing you in Burlington NC! Fun fact: it s right beside a town called Elon. Fitting. | You guys are crazy but doesn t mean I m not super jealous! Hope to see you in NC! PS. Can you give us some good energy use stats. wh mi - wh km and charge speed? | 35 | 8 | 1,863 |
7lfuxo | 116 | Picked up a model 3 today picking another one up tomorrow. AMA Hey guys I just picked up a Model 3 today in white. My black model three will be picked up tomorrow at 10am. I ll upload some pictures and answer questions that you may have. If you would like me to make a video of my pickup tomorrow give me some suggestions on what to include. Edit: My vins are 1165 (black) and 1539 (white) [pics](https: www.yogile.com gs2zbo4c 21t share ?vsc=Y2YzY2E0N) | How does it feel being the most hated person on r teslamotors right now? | What s something you ve experienced or seen that hasn t been talked about a lot? Ex: small feature delivery experience overwhelming sense of your life going the right direction etc | 120 | 15 | 1,864 |
7lmebe | 298 | Merry Christmas from The Future Almost two years ago I slept in line overnight at my closest Tesla store to make two Model 3 reservations for me and my wife. Tonight I was Christmas shopping at the Temecula mall where the local Supercharger is and saw an absolutely gorgeous new blue Model 3 that an employee from up north had just driven down for the holidays with his family. It was so gratifying to both get a closer look at this true piece of art and also to briefly give a sincere personal thank you to one of the many people in the trenches who have been working so incredibly hard to bring a revolution in transportation to all of us. Really it was an incredible treat to finally see my first local Model 3 even though it was just someone passing through. That would have been an awesome day by itself... Then about an hour later just after sunset I m walking to my dino-mobile in the parking lot with my arms full of presents and... there it is... the sky is being lit up like a Christmas tree by the Falcon 9 launch from Vandenberg AFB (which I had completely forgotten was today.) I could clearly see the stage separations and the boostback as stage one headed to the barge in the Pacific. Merry Christmas from the future guys. All the Detroit executives who say higher efficiency on cars is impossible to achieve so stop regulating us and the Seeking Alpha shorters who keep crying the emperor has no clothes it ll never work can Grinch all they want they can t stop it now. I m living in the future. Thanks very much to all you very-very-hard-working Tesla SpaceX and SolarCity people. You are bringing us a better world and even though I can t put in under my the tree I want to send you this thank-you card anyway. Merry Christmas to you all! | As a tesla employee you re welcome! | Cool story bro but I don t think they recovered the first stage on this launch. I m gonna guess it just fell into the ocean or something. | 89 | 3 | 1,865 |
7lmebe | 298 | Merry Christmas from The Future Almost two years ago I slept in line overnight at my closest Tesla store to make two Model 3 reservations for me and my wife. Tonight I was Christmas shopping at the Temecula mall where the local Supercharger is and saw an absolutely gorgeous new blue Model 3 that an employee from up north had just driven down for the holidays with his family. It was so gratifying to both get a closer look at this true piece of art and also to briefly give a sincere personal thank you to one of the many people in the trenches who have been working so incredibly hard to bring a revolution in transportation to all of us. Really it was an incredible treat to finally see my first local Model 3 even though it was just someone passing through. That would have been an awesome day by itself... Then about an hour later just after sunset I m walking to my dino-mobile in the parking lot with my arms full of presents and... there it is... the sky is being lit up like a Christmas tree by the Falcon 9 launch from Vandenberg AFB (which I had completely forgotten was today.) I could clearly see the stage separations and the boostback as stage one headed to the barge in the Pacific. Merry Christmas from the future guys. All the Detroit executives who say higher efficiency on cars is impossible to achieve so stop regulating us and the Seeking Alpha shorters who keep crying the emperor has no clothes it ll never work can Grinch all they want they can t stop it now. I m living in the future. Thanks very much to all you very-very-hard-working Tesla SpaceX and SolarCity people. You are bringing us a better world and even though I can t put in under my the tree I want to send you this thank-you card anyway. Merry Christmas to you all! | As a tesla employee you re welcome! | I had a good tesla day too! We drove from Los Angeles up to family near Sacramento. We visited the new kettleman city stop. We saw a Model 3 at every supercharger stop. One Model 3 owner was happy to show us the car. We saw multiple trucks headed south on the 5 full of Model 3s. And a friend called to say he picked up his 3 in marina del Rey! It was great! | 89 | 3 | 1,866 |
7lmebe | 298 | Merry Christmas from The Future Almost two years ago I slept in line overnight at my closest Tesla store to make two Model 3 reservations for me and my wife. Tonight I was Christmas shopping at the Temecula mall where the local Supercharger is and saw an absolutely gorgeous new blue Model 3 that an employee from up north had just driven down for the holidays with his family. It was so gratifying to both get a closer look at this true piece of art and also to briefly give a sincere personal thank you to one of the many people in the trenches who have been working so incredibly hard to bring a revolution in transportation to all of us. Really it was an incredible treat to finally see my first local Model 3 even though it was just someone passing through. That would have been an awesome day by itself... Then about an hour later just after sunset I m walking to my dino-mobile in the parking lot with my arms full of presents and... there it is... the sky is being lit up like a Christmas tree by the Falcon 9 launch from Vandenberg AFB (which I had completely forgotten was today.) I could clearly see the stage separations and the boostback as stage one headed to the barge in the Pacific. Merry Christmas from the future guys. All the Detroit executives who say higher efficiency on cars is impossible to achieve so stop regulating us and the Seeking Alpha shorters who keep crying the emperor has no clothes it ll never work can Grinch all they want they can t stop it now. I m living in the future. Thanks very much to all you very-very-hard-working Tesla SpaceX and SolarCity people. You are bringing us a better world and even though I can t put in under my the tree I want to send you this thank-you card anyway. Merry Christmas to you all! | As a tesla employee you re welcome! | I too didn t know the launch was imminent so I was only able to catch the launch in mid-flight from my home in Newbury Park CA. https: i.imgur.com 18MyAVO.jpg | 89 | 7 | 1,867 |
7lqgyk | 52 | [Discussion] Is Tesla the only company capable of producing a practical mass market EV profitably? For the past 6 years there has been a near constant stream of articles about Tesla killers . Of course the products always fail to make it to market. In fact the closest competition in terms of practicality and range is probably the Chevy Bolt (238 miles) for $36k but it s estimated that GM loses approximately ~$9k on each sale before incentives and it is widely regarded as a compliance car. Are traditional auto manufacturers just waiting for the EV market to expand before they cannibalize Tesla or are they really not capable of producing at a large enough scale to bring the cost down to something comparable to Tesla s Model 3? | Yes until other manufacturers stop their bullshit politics create good looking affordable and reliable EVs and stop making weird mobiles. It s almost 2018 I m tired of the horrible automobile designs from the last 30 years. | Jeep (Mike Manley) announced last month that Jeep plans to make available a Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV) powertrain in the Wrangler for 2020. Hope it works out well because rock crawling and camping in silent electric mode will be very nice. Should be profitable for Jeep and FCA s LaneSense hardware is just waiting for a little good software work for good Autopilot functionality. | 86 | 2 | 1,868 |
7lqgyk | 52 | [Discussion] Is Tesla the only company capable of producing a practical mass market EV profitably? For the past 6 years there has been a near constant stream of articles about Tesla killers . Of course the products always fail to make it to market. In fact the closest competition in terms of practicality and range is probably the Chevy Bolt (238 miles) for $36k but it s estimated that GM loses approximately ~$9k on each sale before incentives and it is widely regarded as a compliance car. Are traditional auto manufacturers just waiting for the EV market to expand before they cannibalize Tesla or are they really not capable of producing at a large enough scale to bring the cost down to something comparable to Tesla s Model 3? | Yes until other manufacturers stop their bullshit politics create good looking affordable and reliable EVs and stop making weird mobiles. It s almost 2018 I m tired of the horrible automobile designs from the last 30 years. | Short answer: they are reluctant to commit and invest to EVs yet. They need someone to prove that EV actually could work out at first. Also they don t want to give up their legacy superiority on internal combustion engines because that s how they can stand decades. Tesla on the other hand don t have these problems. And that s why they can be so commit to make a better EV and more importantly build the production system that can make EVs affordable AND profitable. | 86 | 7 | 1,869 |
7lqgyk | 52 | [Discussion] Is Tesla the only company capable of producing a practical mass market EV profitably? For the past 6 years there has been a near constant stream of articles about Tesla killers . Of course the products always fail to make it to market. In fact the closest competition in terms of practicality and range is probably the Chevy Bolt (238 miles) for $36k but it s estimated that GM loses approximately ~$9k on each sale before incentives and it is widely regarded as a compliance car. Are traditional auto manufacturers just waiting for the EV market to expand before they cannibalize Tesla or are they really not capable of producing at a large enough scale to bring the cost down to something comparable to Tesla s Model 3? | Yes until other manufacturers stop their bullshit politics create good looking affordable and reliable EVs and stop making weird mobiles. It s almost 2018 I m tired of the horrible automobile designs from the last 30 years. | Does the leaf not count? | 86 | 10 | 1,870 |
7lyhm7 | 113 | The amount of hate for tesla over at r cars is insane... Man. I could not even believe the amount of false information posted in one thread. | There are a few users over there that clearly spread misinformation on purpose or are clear German manufacturing apologists. But beyond that most are reasonable people. Some are simply stuck in nostalgia. They simply cannot understand spending money on something that is quick and not loud. If they are going to spend that kind of money they want to feel (and people to hear) that they spent the money. They understand the torque and 0-60 is unparalleled but they want the FEEL. They don t want to simply slam the accelerator they want to upshift they want to heel-toe and rev match as they take a corner they want to hear the pop out the exhaust that they paid thousands to tune. | Let them hate. Everybody else can continue enjoying their lives not caring about them like they did so far. | 113 | 2 | 1,871 |
7lyhm7 | 113 | The amount of hate for tesla over at r cars is insane... Man. I could not even believe the amount of false information posted in one thread. | There are a few users over there that clearly spread misinformation on purpose or are clear German manufacturing apologists. But beyond that most are reasonable people. Some are simply stuck in nostalgia. They simply cannot understand spending money on something that is quick and not loud. If they are going to spend that kind of money they want to feel (and people to hear) that they spent the money. They understand the torque and 0-60 is unparalleled but they want the FEEL. They don t want to simply slam the accelerator they want to upshift they want to heel-toe and rev match as they take a corner they want to hear the pop out the exhaust that they paid thousands to tune. | I have always loved cars with power. Acceleration is addictive. I have been a Mopar guy for quite a while know. Those days will be coming to an end. There s a new rocket in town. | 113 | 2 | 1,872 |
7lyhm7 | 113 | The amount of hate for tesla over at r cars is insane... Man. I could not even believe the amount of false information posted in one thread. | There are a few users over there that clearly spread misinformation on purpose or are clear German manufacturing apologists. But beyond that most are reasonable people. Some are simply stuck in nostalgia. They simply cannot understand spending money on something that is quick and not loud. If they are going to spend that kind of money they want to feel (and people to hear) that they spent the money. They understand the torque and 0-60 is unparalleled but they want the FEEL. They don t want to simply slam the accelerator they want to upshift they want to heel-toe and rev match as they take a corner they want to hear the pop out the exhaust that they paid thousands to tune. | Any examples? | 113 | 6 | 1,873 |
7m32j2 | 32 | Dissapointed I ve always been a fan of Tesla until we got our Model X some months ago. It s just been a total errorfest.. Dors wont open windows sqeezes out of the rubber sealing chargeport wont shut infotainment won t work and so on. For a price this steep this car is broken. I would really like to love this car but i just doesn t work properly.. | Complain to them. Make them fix all the issues. Let them know where they fucked up. Do it for us! So we don t get these same issues in the future. Please! | Look other manufacturers have these issues too. It s nothing unique to tesla. Sorry to hear you have so much trouble with your car but I really don t get the purpose of your post. Contact tesla make clear they get the stuff right and if not ask for a refund (I think lemon law is the magic term in the US) | 95 | 3 | 1,874 |
7m32j2 | 32 | Dissapointed I ve always been a fan of Tesla until we got our Model X some months ago. It s just been a total errorfest.. Dors wont open windows sqeezes out of the rubber sealing chargeport wont shut infotainment won t work and so on. For a price this steep this car is broken. I would really like to love this car but i just doesn t work properly.. | Complain to them. Make them fix all the issues. Let them know where they fucked up. Do it for us! So we don t get these same issues in the future. Please! | I think Tesla will improve the built quality with the Model 3 and then with the Model Y a lot. Many parts of the Model S X are hand-assembled. Tesla uses a lot more employees per car to build the S X compared to other car makers ([source](http: www.autonews.com article 20170611 OEM01 170619951 teslas-real-capacity-problem:-too-many-people)). That means more manufacturing errors with the doors seals or panel gaps. This also explains why they can t fix these issues because it s not like adjusting a setting on a robot. However the Model 3 production line is a lot more automated. Listen [here](https: youtu.be 51UhA6jffis?t=651) to Elon. That means fewer parts are hand assembled compared to the S X which means fewer manufacturing errors. The high price tag of the S X makes people think these cars are more premium. However Tesla has the same gross margins on the Model S X and the Model 3. Check out the second bullet point on top of the shareholder letter [here](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2707351374x0x952053 F302D22F-FC9B-41A3-9534-60D0032673CC TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-2Q.pdf). I m sure Tesla will improve the S X production line once they exit the Model 3 production hell. | 95 | 3 | 1,875 |
7m32j2 | 32 | Dissapointed I ve always been a fan of Tesla until we got our Model X some months ago. It s just been a total errorfest.. Dors wont open windows sqeezes out of the rubber sealing chargeport wont shut infotainment won t work and so on. For a price this steep this car is broken. I would really like to love this car but i just doesn t work properly.. | Complain to them. Make them fix all the issues. Let them know where they fucked up. Do it for us! So we don t get these same issues in the future. Please! | Well in Germany we say it s a monday-car :D | 95 | 3 | 1,876 |
7m90bf | 22 | Model 3 Vs 2018 Audi A4! Have a reservation for Model 3 (mid-Atlantic opted for all-wheel performance with projected delivery 2018 Q1 2 or there abouts). Wife drives a 2013 A4... I m considering gifting her the Model 3 as her next car though I sense she LOVES her A4 & might like a new A4 better. Neither of us have owned driven EVs before let alone a Tesla. Does any one have any idea speculations on how Model 3 compares to A4? Appreciate input from Tesla owners with Audi experience. | > Neither of us have owned driven EVs before let alone a Tesla. Sounds like someone needs to contact their local Tesla store and schedule a test drive. If you haven t driven one before you need to. I d be surprised if her opinion didn t change after a test drive. | Interior is going to feel really sparse and is a major turn off to some. I d suggest test driving a Model S just to see how EVs Teslas are. If you don t like a Model S you re not going to like a Model 3. | 44 | 9 | 1,877 |
7m9pa4 | 47 | Received notice that I will receive my Model 3 in 4 weeks but can t convince my wife that we need the car. Ok guys so the short story is that I am a Model S owner and received a notice that my Model 3 order is ready to be finalized (e.g. selecting color etc) such that I would get the car in 4 weeks. The problem is that I intend to continue driving my S as my main car so the 3 is technically for my wife even though I m sure I will steal it from her all the time especially at the beginning. But she doesn t really want it. She loves Teslas and my car but at the end of the day both my S and her Audi are fully paid off run fine and it s hard to justify the purchasing of a new car when we don t really need one. Yet I still want it as I m sure everyone on this sub can relate (based on awesomeness factor alone). Any idea on how to deal with it? What sales pitch can I make to her? The only strategy I can think of for now is to tell Tesla that I want to wait for the all wheel drive to become available and buy myself some time hoping maybe that something happens to her car that changes her mind. Otherwise I may just have to cancel the reservation :( | Crash the old car. win-win | I have a similar situation. We have a 2018 Volt (which I bought thinking Model 3 would be delayed and needed real car other than Miata and Roadster) and a 2010 Tesla Roadster. I only have a 2 car garage. So really the 2018 Volt will have to go. Technically I could put either of them on Turo or sell them but I dont really want to. I already delayed my Model 3 order since I want the standard battery anyway. That will give me a few months to figure it out or at least get the tax credit for the Volt and pay it down so I don t lose money on trade in. I might have to sell the Roadster but I REALLY don t want to. | 66 | 2 | 1,878 |
7m9pa4 | 47 | Received notice that I will receive my Model 3 in 4 weeks but can t convince my wife that we need the car. Ok guys so the short story is that I am a Model S owner and received a notice that my Model 3 order is ready to be finalized (e.g. selecting color etc) such that I would get the car in 4 weeks. The problem is that I intend to continue driving my S as my main car so the 3 is technically for my wife even though I m sure I will steal it from her all the time especially at the beginning. But she doesn t really want it. She loves Teslas and my car but at the end of the day both my S and her Audi are fully paid off run fine and it s hard to justify the purchasing of a new car when we don t really need one. Yet I still want it as I m sure everyone on this sub can relate (based on awesomeness factor alone). Any idea on how to deal with it? What sales pitch can I make to her? The only strategy I can think of for now is to tell Tesla that I want to wait for the all wheel drive to become available and buy myself some time hoping maybe that something happens to her car that changes her mind. Otherwise I may just have to cancel the reservation :( | Crash the old car. win-win | Definitely don t cancel the reservation just postpone it as a last resort! The Audi may be paid off but it s still depreciating. It loses value but she doesn t see it because people pay attention to cash flow instead of net value of things. You can pitch a financial angle including the fact you ll only get the full EV tax break if you purchase the car soon. If both of you have Teslas it might be very convenient to charge both at home depending on your charging infrastructure. Tell her that if she doesn t absolutely love the car you ll sell it back (there are PLENTY of people who want one). A safety net makes trying safe and trying leads to better impressions. Maybe you ll fall in love with the 3 and decide to sell the S instead even if she keeps the Audi :) Truth is you don t need the car so you should give her the best chance to love it. Make her feel like the car is truly going to be hers! Let her pick a color name whatever she wants to choose. Maybe she doesn t love it yet because it feels like it s your car but she gets to drive it? | 66 | 8 | 1,879 |
7m9pa4 | 47 | Received notice that I will receive my Model 3 in 4 weeks but can t convince my wife that we need the car. Ok guys so the short story is that I am a Model S owner and received a notice that my Model 3 order is ready to be finalized (e.g. selecting color etc) such that I would get the car in 4 weeks. The problem is that I intend to continue driving my S as my main car so the 3 is technically for my wife even though I m sure I will steal it from her all the time especially at the beginning. But she doesn t really want it. She loves Teslas and my car but at the end of the day both my S and her Audi are fully paid off run fine and it s hard to justify the purchasing of a new car when we don t really need one. Yet I still want it as I m sure everyone on this sub can relate (based on awesomeness factor alone). Any idea on how to deal with it? What sales pitch can I make to her? The only strategy I can think of for now is to tell Tesla that I want to wait for the all wheel drive to become available and buy myself some time hoping maybe that something happens to her car that changes her mind. Otherwise I may just have to cancel the reservation :( | OP you don t have to order right now. You can defer your order. Maybe until AWD is available? Or the P version? Or white interior? Do you have any close relatives that maybe you d let use your reservation to buy the car? If not hold your reservation for a couple months and see how life plays out. There is no cost to you and maybe your wife will have a change of heart or possibly life circumstances may change. | I have a similar situation. We have a 2018 Volt (which I bought thinking Model 3 would be delayed and needed real car other than Miata and Roadster) and a 2010 Tesla Roadster. I only have a 2 car garage. So really the 2018 Volt will have to go. Technically I could put either of them on Turo or sell them but I dont really want to. I already delayed my Model 3 order since I want the standard battery anyway. That will give me a few months to figure it out or at least get the tax credit for the Volt and pay it down so I don t lose money on trade in. I might have to sell the Roadster but I REALLY don t want to. | 44 | 2 | 1,880 |
7m9zc2 | 77 | Growth of r TeslaMotors: Part Deux For those looking for [Part 1](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 74nswk growth_of_rteslamotors ). **Preface**: The mods have listened discussed and come up with straight forward and simple plan (simple is better) for dealing with our growth starting in the new year. When I made our Part 1 post two months ago we were at 160 000 subscribers and now we re about to touch 200 000! How convenient if everyone were a watt hour we d be the 200kWh Roadster pack. Anyways I digress. We know that more Model 3 deliveries sightings order posts are coming and we know there are always going to be lots of questions. So I m going to get to the point of the changes. **Focus 1**: We are making Q& A threads easily available. Not many weekly threads but one megathread for basic Q& A with comments sorted by new. **This will be a sticky.** **Focus 2**: To reinforce in-depth discussions we re making it a requirement to put [Discussion] at the front of your post title. This will ensure that folks looking for more than simply a quick answer but for potentially technical topic-focused discussions have their place. These will thrive in the main sub and still have their proper post flair (for those who like to search we know you exist!). This focus will be to support **benefiting the community philosophy** I mention in [Part 1](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 74nswk growth_of_rteslamotors ). **Focus 3**: We are making the Experiences threads easily available. Not many weekly threads but one megathread for all your Rule 4 violations! yay! This will allow folks to have one place to share their experiences spottings order posts deliveries etc. This can be sorted as you wish. **This will be a sticky.** And just in case you think your contribution is too special for a comment you can [ping modmail](https: www.reddit.com message compose?to=%2Fr%2Fteslamotors) to plead your case. We always have the r TeslaLounge (for memes relaxed rules for the super enthused) too for those looking for a compliment to here. These adjustments to the Experiences threads (and the lounge) will compliment the **benefiting the individual philosophy** I mention in [Part 1](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 74nswk growth_of_rteslamotors ). **Focus 4**: Investor threads will remain as they are. Investor related posts will be asked to move to the Investor thread (posted every 2 weeks). **The stickies will be dynamic.** Meaning if it s an earnings call week we ll move the Investor Thread in place of the Experiences sticky thread and have a Earnings Call Megathread to replace the other sticky at the time. We will revert back as things settle but we will make sure links will be easily accessible (even for mobile) in the sidebar during those times we noticed that the search links I provided in the Weekly Index weren t working on mobile (for those who mentioned it so thank you). We want to encourage and make everyone happy. We re doing this so in-depth technical discussion can thrive so other folks will have a one-click away spot (sticky or lounge) to upload their Experiences or Questions. We realize not many people go into the weekly threads or want to click through 3-4 things just to make a post so having stickies immediately available will reinforce participation and side-chatter on slow days. And if that s not enough for you we also have the [Discord Chat](https: discord.gg 7WuEqAW). (TL DR) If you don t care about the reasons this is what you ll get: - “Experience Weekly” --> Stickied Experiences Megathread sorted by new. - “Q& A Weekly”--> Stickied Q& A Megathread sorted by new. - “Investor Weekly” --> changing to every 2 weeks instead of 1 week sorted by new. - [Discussion] will be a requirement in your post title if you have more than a simple question needing answers. - r TeslaLounge and [Discord Chat](https: discord.gg 7WuEqAW) are always there for you too. - When announcements happen we ll shift things around but the links will always be available in the sidebar. - Multireddit Link (for r TeslaMotors and r TeslaLounge) can be found [here](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge+teslamotors ). If we missed something see CSS bugs anything comment or let us know in modmail. We are always open to adjustments we aren t perfect :) Remember also that we aren t always monitoring 100% and can occasionally get out of sync so sometimes we allow exceptions based on popularity or discussion that is already happening. So all in all thanks for making the sub amazing and **don t forget to report**. Slight rule adjustments to match these changes will come soon on 1 1 2018. > Fireside chat: If you re super excited about Tesla don t be annoying about it. We like a product company that isn t perfect. They have faults. But let s be realistic and represent each other in a positive way so we can be optimistic approachable and understandable. Keep that in mind now move along ) | > now we re about to touch 200 000! Federal tax credit about to begin phasing out. | Does Reddit have a photo album feature where new owners could post a photo caption of their newly delivered Tesla in to a media album that can be flipped through? Would possible prevent brand new threads for every single new delivery even posts in the Experiences thread. Maybe also be cool for viewers to browse through a virtual media album of Redditors cars. | 46 | 2 | 1,881 |
7mht55 | 22 | [Discussion] Opinions on foregoing a home charger I m a Model 3 reservation holder (Jan-Mar TX) and live in a small craftsmen house without a garage and a single car driveway. I can probably install an external charger on the side of my house that can reach the driveway but then my wife would have to park her car curbside and deal with the kids from the street. Therefore I d like to continue parking my 3 curbside. I work about 2-3 miles away and my garage at work has charging spots (I think it s a monthly fee). I m thinking that I can use this instead of actually installing a home charger. There are also plenty of charging spots all over town at various shopping centers. What do you guys think? Bad Idea? Anyone else do this? The other option I was thinking about was having some custom-made enclosure maybe partially underground or hidden in my bushes that can reach curbside. I d love any links if anyone has seen this. | Get the charger installed at home that way it is there if you need it. Park on the curb most nights and utilise work other chargers. However there may be occasions when you do need to charge your car up at home for those moments your wife s car can spend 1 night out on the curb while you charge yours. Even without using it full time if you park in your driveway 1-2 nights per week that d be sufficient for most driving needs. | There are plenty of people that use work charging as an option. If your work is only a few miles away and there is charging at shopping centers you should be fine. > The other option I was thinking about was having some custom-made enclosure maybe partially underground or hidden in my bushes that can reach curbside. I d love any links if anyone has seen this. You may run into issues with this if there is a sidewalk or other city property in between. Also risk of people unplugging messing with the car and no guaranteed parking spot curbside since that is public property (I m assuming). > I can probably install an external charger on the side of my house that can reach the driveway but then my wife would have to park her car curbside and deal with the kids from the street. Therefore I d like to continue parking my 3 curbside. This means you have to deal with your brand new Model 3 on the street... and it may be expensive to run it underground. I think the best option is just to charge at work and when you go out to stores. You probably drive less than 30 miles a day so even a standard outlet will work if you are plugged in all day at work. | 31 | 2 | 1,882 |
7mht55 | 22 | [Discussion] Opinions on foregoing a home charger I m a Model 3 reservation holder (Jan-Mar TX) and live in a small craftsmen house without a garage and a single car driveway. I can probably install an external charger on the side of my house that can reach the driveway but then my wife would have to park her car curbside and deal with the kids from the street. Therefore I d like to continue parking my 3 curbside. I work about 2-3 miles away and my garage at work has charging spots (I think it s a monthly fee). I m thinking that I can use this instead of actually installing a home charger. There are also plenty of charging spots all over town at various shopping centers. What do you guys think? Bad Idea? Anyone else do this? The other option I was thinking about was having some custom-made enclosure maybe partially underground or hidden in my bushes that can reach curbside. I d love any links if anyone has seen this. | Get the charger installed at home that way it is there if you need it. Park on the curb most nights and utilise work other chargers. However there may be occasions when you do need to charge your car up at home for those moments your wife s car can spend 1 night out on the curb while you charge yours. Even without using it full time if you park in your driveway 1-2 nights per week that d be sufficient for most driving needs. | You probably will only need to charge every 3rd or 4th day at least we do with a 23 mile RT commute. | 31 | 2 | 1,883 |
7mht55 | 22 | [Discussion] Opinions on foregoing a home charger I m a Model 3 reservation holder (Jan-Mar TX) and live in a small craftsmen house without a garage and a single car driveway. I can probably install an external charger on the side of my house that can reach the driveway but then my wife would have to park her car curbside and deal with the kids from the street. Therefore I d like to continue parking my 3 curbside. I work about 2-3 miles away and my garage at work has charging spots (I think it s a monthly fee). I m thinking that I can use this instead of actually installing a home charger. There are also plenty of charging spots all over town at various shopping centers. What do you guys think? Bad Idea? Anyone else do this? The other option I was thinking about was having some custom-made enclosure maybe partially underground or hidden in my bushes that can reach curbside. I d love any links if anyone has seen this. | Get the charger installed at home that way it is there if you need it. Park on the curb most nights and utilise work other chargers. However there may be occasions when you do need to charge your car up at home for those moments your wife s car can spend 1 night out on the curb while you charge yours. Even without using it full time if you park in your driveway 1-2 nights per week that d be sufficient for most driving needs. | You could probably get by with installing a 14-50 on the side of your house and charging once every weekend only. | 31 | 2 | 1,884 |
7miiit | 22 | Model 3 has tempted me to learn to drive a car! So I m 24 and have never been interested in cars untill I looked at the model 3. So after seeing the beauty of a model 3 it has tempted me to finally learn how to drive a car. ( I currently drive a 650cc motorcycle as such wanted something a little faster than your average Punto to 60 :D) The question is how suitable is a model 3 as a first car? Also I haven t seen insurance quotes for it as it seems price comparison website havent added it yet. If you have a model 3 what are your insurance premiums like and how hard is it to drive? | Any new $40k car is probably not a good first car. You will probably be better off getting a cheap used car for a few years to gain experience for when you get a nice new car. | I m 23. I have my eyes on Tesla since they began production of the S and clearly can not afford it. Still... Patience and here we are : Model3 booked a while ago. That would be my second car. If it happens to be too expensive for me when I will be asked to configure I ll just not take it. But my next car WILL be an EV no matter what. I tend to go fanboy about Elon but the thing is: keep your head straight. If you can afford it go for it. If you can t consider a cheaper EV (depending on your needs). tl dr : my life is boring. If you can afford one do it. If you can t aim for another EV. | 37 | 6 | 1,885 |
7movga | 74 | Poor Man s Model 3 Configurator For all you folks out there still waiting for an invite to configure your Model 3 you can use the following Tesla URL to configure your own Model 3 albeit just visually. The URL can be manipulated to change the wheels color view and size of the image. You simply need to find and replace the part of the URL that relates to each option. [https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PB $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $BT37 $PRM31 WR01 $APPB ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=2040& bkba_opt=1](https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PB $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $BT37 $PRM31 WR01 $APPB ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=2040& bkba_opt=1) Wheels: * $W39B (19”) * $W38B (aero) Color: * $PPMR (red) * $PPSB (blue) * $PBSB (black) * $PMNG (midnight silver) * $PPSW (white) * $PMSS (silver) Background: * & bkba_opt=1 (transparent) * & bkba_opt=0 (white) View: * & view=STUD_3QTR * & view=STUD_SIDE * & view=STUD_SEAT Another couple examples: [https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PW $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $PRM31 $BT37 WR01 ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=2040& bkba_opt=1](https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PW $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $PRM31 $BT37 WR01 ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=2040& bkba_opt=1) [https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PW $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $PRM31 $BT37 WR01 ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=2040& bkba_opt=1](https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PW $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $PRM31 $BT37 WR01 ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=2040& bkba_opt=1) | Hi. u misfitshlb. I like the title. You get an upvote from me. By the way there was a topic about this 3 months ago. The following links are from my message [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 71hkjg model_3_image_configurator dnatqnk ) in that topic. Cheers Links to all combinations: * [Deep Blue Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB) * [Deep Blue Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W38B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W39B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W38B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W39B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W38B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W39B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W38B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W39B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W38B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W39B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W38B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W39B) * [Red Multi-Coat Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR) * [Red Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W38B) * [Red Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W39B) * [Red Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W38B) * [Red Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W39B) * [Silver Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS) * [Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W38B) * [Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W39B) * [Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W38B) * [Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W39B) * [Solid Black Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB) * [Solid Black 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W38B) * [Solid Black 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W39B) * [Solid Black 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W38B) * [Solid Black 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W39B) | Interesting find.... BTW all of the variables listed in the OP are case sensitive for the URL. | 63 | 2 | 1,886 |
7movga | 74 | Poor Man s Model 3 Configurator For all you folks out there still waiting for an invite to configure your Model 3 you can use the following Tesla URL to configure your own Model 3 albeit just visually. The URL can be manipulated to change the wheels color view and size of the image. You simply need to find and replace the part of the URL that relates to each option. [https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PB $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $BT37 $PRM31 WR01 $APPB ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=2040& bkba_opt=1](https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PB $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $BT37 $PRM31 WR01 $APPB ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=2040& bkba_opt=1) Wheels: * $W39B (19”) * $W38B (aero) Color: * $PPMR (red) * $PPSB (blue) * $PBSB (black) * $PMNG (midnight silver) * $PPSW (white) * $PMSS (silver) Background: * & bkba_opt=1 (transparent) * & bkba_opt=0 (white) View: * & view=STUD_3QTR * & view=STUD_SIDE * & view=STUD_SEAT Another couple examples: [https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PW $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $PRM31 $BT37 WR01 ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=2040& bkba_opt=1](https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PW $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $PRM31 $BT37 WR01 ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=2040& bkba_opt=1) [https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PW $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $PRM31 $BT37 WR01 ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=2040& bkba_opt=1](https: static-assets.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& options=$IN3PW $APF2 $W39B $PPMR $PRM31 $BT37 WR01 ZCST $MDL3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=2040& bkba_opt=1) | Hi. u misfitshlb. I like the title. You get an upvote from me. By the way there was a topic about this 3 months ago. The following links are from my message [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 71hkjg model_3_image_configurator dnatqnk ) in that topic. Cheers Links to all combinations: * [Deep Blue Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB) * [Deep Blue Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W38B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W39B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W38B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W39B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W38B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W39B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W38B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W39B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W38B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W39B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W38B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W39B) * [Red Multi-Coat Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR) * [Red Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W38B) * [Red Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W39B) * [Red Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W38B) * [Red Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W39B) * [Silver Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS) * [Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W38B) * [Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W39B) * [Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W38B) * [Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W39B) * [Solid Black Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB) * [Solid Black 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W38B) * [Solid Black 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W39B) * [Solid Black 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W38B) * [Solid Black 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W39B) | No signs of white interior yet? I m really wondering where it s at. I know they re behind but it was last promised in November. | 63 | 15 | 1,887 |
7mucn7 | 63 | Tesla Model 3 Road Trip Tracking Thread... Thought it would be helpful to have one place to talk about YouYou Xue s road trip and his stops along the way. I m looking forward to the stop today in Richmond at 3:00 p.m. but I can t get his Glympse tracker to work for some reason. Who else is going? | Anyone else keeping up with You You s laundry list of Model 3 problems? Either he has a lemon or us early adopters better get cozy with Tesla Service. So far: - Air bag light coming on. - Tire pressure sensor light coming on. - Charging lid sensor problems. - Wipers making knocking sounds. - Stereo making strange noises. - Loud pop sound in back while stationary and warning light. - ~~12v plug not working.~~ Was actually a third party inverter fuse. - Time zone change problems. - Discrepancies in charging rates calculation (screen shows different cost than final bill). - Occasional glitches and lagging in touch screen in the map and charging modes both requiring hard reboots. *Edit: Now remembering the map glitch would not fix with a reboot and required a Tesla Ranger to meet You You on the interstate to fix. - Steering wheel adjustment control failure. - Back camera lag. Jumpy video at highway speed. Link to the road trip page so you can see I m not making all of this up: https: www.facebook.com tsla3 | I doubt he will be in va at 3. The atl event is just about to start and richmond is almost an 8 hr drive. Look for that event to be pushed to later You ll also notice that the nc events are at 4 and 6 | 62 | 2 | 1,888 |
7mucn7 | 63 | Tesla Model 3 Road Trip Tracking Thread... Thought it would be helpful to have one place to talk about YouYou Xue s road trip and his stops along the way. I m looking forward to the stop today in Richmond at 3:00 p.m. but I can t get his Glympse tracker to work for some reason. Who else is going? | Anyone else keeping up with You You s laundry list of Model 3 problems? Either he has a lemon or us early adopters better get cozy with Tesla Service. So far: - Air bag light coming on. - Tire pressure sensor light coming on. - Charging lid sensor problems. - Wipers making knocking sounds. - Stereo making strange noises. - Loud pop sound in back while stationary and warning light. - ~~12v plug not working.~~ Was actually a third party inverter fuse. - Time zone change problems. - Discrepancies in charging rates calculation (screen shows different cost than final bill). - Occasional glitches and lagging in touch screen in the map and charging modes both requiring hard reboots. *Edit: Now remembering the map glitch would not fix with a reboot and required a Tesla Ranger to meet You You on the interstate to fix. - Steering wheel adjustment control failure. - Back camera lag. Jumpy video at highway speed. Link to the road trip page so you can see I m not making all of this up: https: www.facebook.com tsla3 | Did he add MD into the trip? I can t recall and I can t access FB at work. If he s in Richmond VA today.... I need to figure this out! u youyouxue? | 62 | 5 | 1,889 |
7mucn7 | 63 | Tesla Model 3 Road Trip Tracking Thread... Thought it would be helpful to have one place to talk about YouYou Xue s road trip and his stops along the way. I m looking forward to the stop today in Richmond at 3:00 p.m. but I can t get his Glympse tracker to work for some reason. Who else is going? | Anyone else keeping up with You You s laundry list of Model 3 problems? Either he has a lemon or us early adopters better get cozy with Tesla Service. So far: - Air bag light coming on. - Tire pressure sensor light coming on. - Charging lid sensor problems. - Wipers making knocking sounds. - Stereo making strange noises. - Loud pop sound in back while stationary and warning light. - ~~12v plug not working.~~ Was actually a third party inverter fuse. - Time zone change problems. - Discrepancies in charging rates calculation (screen shows different cost than final bill). - Occasional glitches and lagging in touch screen in the map and charging modes both requiring hard reboots. *Edit: Now remembering the map glitch would not fix with a reboot and required a Tesla Ranger to meet You You on the interstate to fix. - Steering wheel adjustment control failure. - Back camera lag. Jumpy video at highway speed. Link to the road trip page so you can see I m not making all of this up: https: www.facebook.com tsla3 | Hoping to see him in Charlotte today! Any ideas for a thermal camera? I have a FLIR. | 62 | 6 | 1,890 |
7mvjbd | 51 | [Discussion]: How is the progress on Tesla s autopilot self driving software coming along? So I heard there has been no autopilot software updates for more than 6 months now. I thought Musk said their cars would go from LA to NYC without a driver this year. Meanwhile Google is running a pilot in Phoenix with real self driving cars. Their hardware cars are great but its the software I am concerned about. On the software front Chris Lattner left Telsa in less than 6 months and they ended up hiring Karpathy to lead their autopilot team. This guy has no professional experience basically worked for a year (and another year interning). He is obviously a solid software AI guy but can he lead a team? Is it time to be a little pessimistic about Tesla? Basically if I am in the market for a car that will do self driving as the most important factor should I wait for a google powered car? I know people here follow Tesla a lot more than I do so thought I would ask here. | So there s a lot of speculation that the abrupt separation from MobileEye really fucked things up for the autopilot team. I ll preface this a bit: I have no automotive experience but I ve spent about half my career either in or contracting for software development shops as a server network platform person. Here s what I think of the speculation with the strongest legs: Initial plan: * The initial plan was *likely* to be that they d use MobileEye s stuff while they built up their own software independently. Fresh code fresh architecture the whole nine yards. Had that plan stayed on track it likely would have only been as late as Elon usually is with his timelines. Problem: * When MobileEye pulled the plug they had to scramble to replace that software - that much seems true on its face. Popular Solution: * It looks to me like the most popular explanation is that Tesla has been busting their asses to finish their AP2 work and get shit out the door. I don t think that s a full answer though. Their are weird delays (auto wipers for instance) that don t seem to make sense in this case. If it was as simple as just finishing the work you d expect to see some kind of progress here. My personal speculation: * My issue with the popular theory: I don t think it s as straightforward as that. I don t think AP2 was all that ready. They had edge cases figured out and a test run set up well enough that they were at least able to demonstrate a self-driving commute sure. But I don t think normal use was reliable enough yet. The difficult thing is I can t point to any *direct* evidence of this. * So back to the weird missing pieces thing - As far as I m aware rain detection as an algorithm has already been done which means at least this individual piece should have been *relatively* easy to implement but it s not there yet. To me that speaks to more foundational limitations. We know the MobileEye implementation wasn t capable of everything Tesla wanted to do with AP2 but it was pretty reliable with what it *could* do. * From my experience huge odd delays *usually* means there was some kind of architectural assumption in the original system that made certain things impossible or at least very difficult. It means there s a *lot* to revisit as you rewrite code APIs update procedures etc. Tesla took a weirdly long amount of time to push out the OS update (commonly referred to as the kernel update ) and they stayed pretty silent about it through most of the process. So we ve got a track record for how they respond to unexpected delays. * Tying it all together: So I don t think AP2 was really road-worthy when MobilEye pulled the plug. I think what s been happening is that Tesla had to do some kind of in-place swap out of MobilEye s code with their own. That means they inherited the limitations and assumptions of all the old code. They made some progress within those old assumptions but the MobilEye architecture prevented them from going further than that. They had to spend a lot of their own resources to get that far - essentially spending a large chunk of this year re-inventing the self-driving wheel. The drop-in replacement code was only ever going to be worked on long enough to get it stabilized. The reason it s been silent for a while is that the publicly-visible code is at that point but the AP2 core rewrite is still ongoing. If recent statements are any indication we re relatively close to that core being completed and once we get there we should see a lot of improvement relatively quick. I think this explains both Tesla s slow rate of improvement this year and radio silence once that stopped. ** TL DR: ** I think Tesla s been falling behind this year because they had to re-write software that didn t fulfill their long-term needs so that AP2 owners weren t stuck with nothing for a year. Getting that software stable meant pushing back the release of the rewrite they *wanted* to do. We haven t seen any updates from Tesla in a while because the new software isn t ready yet and the existing software is good enough for them for now. I can t speculate as to *when* it will happen but once it does I expect large leaps in capability and reliability. | I think you re going to wait a long time for your own fully FSD car. Probably 5+ years. Regardless of who provides it (Tesla Google GM etc). My experience is that Tesla AP2 is improving. There was some general news a month or two ago about AP2 improvements and I would testify that it s better. I ve noticed that it s much more stable in lane and doesn t get confused by sub-optimal lane markings. I commute about 30mi on the highway each direction and rarely have to touch AP2 now. It used to do all kinds of weird scary things before. From a purchasing perspective I guess it depends on what you want. If you re ok with AP to do 95% of highway driving then Teslas can do that (and will continue to improve). If you want door-to-door service you re better off not buying a car and calling Uber (since no maker has FSD and all are years away). | 52 | 3 | 1,891 |
7mw48e | 215 | My experience driving my Model S 2 500 miles last week. I drove my Model S (Auto-Pilot 2.0) from Los Angeles CA to Seattle WA and back this winter. I started my trip on the 21st of December and arrived back home in Los Angeles on the 26th. Here are some quick thoughts and the breakdown of my trip. & nbsp **AP2.0** Wow... just wow. AP has improved tremedously (1000x) from when I first got it. I remember when the technology was first released earlier this year. It went from being an unusable ~~piece of shit~~ disappointment that tried to kill me every 30 seconds to a very reliable semi-autonomous system for highway driving. In my roughly 40 hours of driving AP drove 95% of the time. It was able to navigate through almost everything thrown at it: * curves * construction zones (with me being extremely alert) * light snow * moderate rain and * night-time conditions. I m really excited to see what the future holds for autonomy. It s very surprising that Tesla was able to come this far in such a sort time (after the Mobileye break-up and having to build their own technology in-house from scratch). I was very pleased with AP2.0. The team that worked on it at Tesla deserves nothing but praise... ^can ^we ^please ^get ^auto-wipers ^soon ^thanks ^^ s. & nbsp **Charging** First the supercharger infrastructure is awesome. I m very happy that Tesla provides this as a service to its customers. This is the reason a Tesla vehicle (unlike its competition) can be used for long distance travel. I won t sugarcoat it though... Charging was the worst part of the trip. I have a 75kW battery and my car is rated to get a 241 mile range on a full charge (thanks degradation). In reality due to real-world driving conditions I had to charge **nearly 30 minutes every 2 hours**. There are numerous reasons for this such as: * The spacing of the superchargers as you get further away from central California increases significantly. If you skip a supercharger it s unlikely that you ll be able to make it to the next one so you re more-or-less forced to charge at every available location even if you still have considerable juice left in your battery. * Weather conditions: as I moved further north from sunny southern California my Wh mi increased due to windy conditions having to use the heater etc... * Going at the speed of traffic: The Tesla navigation system initially assumes that you re going to go at the speed limit for its first set of calculations. Later on it will adjust to reflect your actual Wh mi (which is probably going to be higher) consumption. Going at the speed of traffic basically requires you to go at least 10 MPH over the speed limit (at least on the West coast). This along with weather conditions can cause the car to initially mispredict your ending battery percent by nearly 20%. I was very glad to have always added a buffer of 25% to my battery charge. The car will tell you to slow down below a certain speed if it detects that you won t make it to your destination which is nice. I like taking breaks on road-trips as much as the next guy gal but this was excessive. If the breaks were half as frequent I d be very happy. Furthermore charging in my opinion is still way too slow for mass market adoption. When I rolled into the superchargers I was able to pull a rate of 90~ kW h. As the battery filled up the charge rate drastically slowed down. I can t wait for batteries to have either a much larger capacity or for supercharging to be significantly (e.g. < 5 minutes for a full charge) faster. One last thing... before I stop beating this dead horse... charging for me reduced my choice in lodging options considerably. I only stayed at hotels that had Tesla destination chargers so that I had a full charge at the start of every morning. I guess I didn t have to do that (as I could have used the supercharger network) but this was by far the most convenient way for me to have a full charge without detouring at a supercharger for 1 hour each morning (to get a full charge). Hotels with destination chargers aren t super cheap either (they re usually at least 4-stars... e.g. Marriott Hyatt etc). & nbsp **General thoughts** The car handled like a champ. It got me from point A to point B safely reliably and without any issue. The light snow and moderate rain that I encountered on the trip caused me no issue. The acceleration let me pass other drivers quickly and safely. The car took curves effortlessly. Thanks to AP2.0 even though I drove such a long distance I felt refreshed and alert the entire time. AP2.0 was the real MVP of the trip. & nbsp **The trip timeline** For all you folks interested in seeing how the trip progressed I screencapped my Google timeline from December 21st to the 26th. & nbsp *Day 1* Los Angeles CA -> Mt Shasta CA [637 mi 9h 32m](https: i.imgur.com GafM8AD.png) Charged at: Home | Buttonwillow CA | Gustine CA | Sacramento CA | Corning CA & nbsp *Day 2* Mt Shasta CA -> Portland OR [345 mi 5h 46m](https: i.imgur.com cLv1Nrw.png) Charged at: Mt. Shasta CA | Grants Pass OR | Eugene OR | Woodburn OR | Hotel @ Portland OR & nbsp *Day 3* Portland OR -> Seattle WA [285 mi 5h 0 m](https: i.imgur.com 4vCiW1O.png) Charged at: Centralia WA | Hotel @ Seattle WA & nbsp *Day 4* Sightseeing in Seattle WA 30.7 mi 1h 20m Charged at: Hotel @ Seattle WA & nbsp *Day 5* Seattle WA -> Sacramento CA [738 mi 11h 29m](https: i.imgur.com fgYIO4f.png) Charged at: Centralia WA | Woodburn OR | Eugene OR | Grants Pass OR | Mt. Shasta CA | Corning CA | Hotel @ Sacramento CA & nbsp *Day 6* Sacramento CA -> Los Angeles CA [401 mi 7h 6m](https: i.imgur.com L9irWYW.png) Charged at: Harris Ranch CA | Bakersfield CA | Home & nbsp **Distance**: 2436.7 mi (~3921 km) **Time**: ~40 hours of driving **Charging**: Too damn much & nbsp & nbsp **Would I do another long distance trip in my Tesla?** Most definitely. As much as charging sucked it was an enjoyable drive thanks to AP2.0. & nbsp Feel free to ask me any questions you may have. Happy Holidays to all~. | I agree on most of your points. The higher-capacity cars can charge faster and run longer which dramatically reduces the total trip time. Here s some numbers I whipped up via the route planning tools online: Orlando FL to Lexingon KY (825 Miles) Model X 60D 16:44 (With speed restrictions due to range) Model S 60 (Orig) 17:09 Model S 75 15:34 Model S 85 14:52 Model S 90D 14:38 Model S 100D 13:41 Model 3 SR 16:07 Model 3 LR 14:07 NONSTOP ICE 11:53 (No fuel food bio stops) So you can see that a 100D would have shaved two hours off my theoretical trip and your trip was much longer. The lower your state of charge (SoC) the faster your charge rate so that 25% buffer you gave yourself also extended your charge time. Ideally you pull in at < 10% remaining to get the full 120kw out of the supercharger. The onboard nav system uses your last 30 miles of consumption to base its estimates on so after your first 30 miles it should be pretty close to right on. Therefore charge at home to 100% set your nav for your final destination (or hotel) and then follow its instructions. It ll get you to the SC at 9 - 12% remaining you ll charge and go. Before you freak out remember that 10% remaining is 24 miles for your car. That s actually a pretty reasonable buffer if the original estimate was calculated at your actual wh mi which it should be. | The thing you have to ask is how often do you take these longer road trips. For us the fact we can use AP 2.0 and take frequent stops would and will be ok. Though I admit I have friends who would flip out if they were with me and had to stop every 2 hours to charge for over half an hour. Every single time I would hear why did we not just take my audi it can refuel is just minutes and go much further your (soon to exist model 3 LR). The fact is long haul car trips account for very little of most peoples car travel needs. That being said this lets you squeeze those longer trips out of an EV car. This is the steam engine days of EV transport one day super capacitor batteries will exist and it will be like sucking down a lighting bolt. That day is decades and decades away but you gotta start some where. I will start with the model 3 or X if I can convince the SO that we can have one :) | 34 | 2 | 1,892 |
7mw48e | 215 | My experience driving my Model S 2 500 miles last week. I drove my Model S (Auto-Pilot 2.0) from Los Angeles CA to Seattle WA and back this winter. I started my trip on the 21st of December and arrived back home in Los Angeles on the 26th. Here are some quick thoughts and the breakdown of my trip. & nbsp **AP2.0** Wow... just wow. AP has improved tremedously (1000x) from when I first got it. I remember when the technology was first released earlier this year. It went from being an unusable ~~piece of shit~~ disappointment that tried to kill me every 30 seconds to a very reliable semi-autonomous system for highway driving. In my roughly 40 hours of driving AP drove 95% of the time. It was able to navigate through almost everything thrown at it: * curves * construction zones (with me being extremely alert) * light snow * moderate rain and * night-time conditions. I m really excited to see what the future holds for autonomy. It s very surprising that Tesla was able to come this far in such a sort time (after the Mobileye break-up and having to build their own technology in-house from scratch). I was very pleased with AP2.0. The team that worked on it at Tesla deserves nothing but praise... ^can ^we ^please ^get ^auto-wipers ^soon ^thanks ^^ s. & nbsp **Charging** First the supercharger infrastructure is awesome. I m very happy that Tesla provides this as a service to its customers. This is the reason a Tesla vehicle (unlike its competition) can be used for long distance travel. I won t sugarcoat it though... Charging was the worst part of the trip. I have a 75kW battery and my car is rated to get a 241 mile range on a full charge (thanks degradation). In reality due to real-world driving conditions I had to charge **nearly 30 minutes every 2 hours**. There are numerous reasons for this such as: * The spacing of the superchargers as you get further away from central California increases significantly. If you skip a supercharger it s unlikely that you ll be able to make it to the next one so you re more-or-less forced to charge at every available location even if you still have considerable juice left in your battery. * Weather conditions: as I moved further north from sunny southern California my Wh mi increased due to windy conditions having to use the heater etc... * Going at the speed of traffic: The Tesla navigation system initially assumes that you re going to go at the speed limit for its first set of calculations. Later on it will adjust to reflect your actual Wh mi (which is probably going to be higher) consumption. Going at the speed of traffic basically requires you to go at least 10 MPH over the speed limit (at least on the West coast). This along with weather conditions can cause the car to initially mispredict your ending battery percent by nearly 20%. I was very glad to have always added a buffer of 25% to my battery charge. The car will tell you to slow down below a certain speed if it detects that you won t make it to your destination which is nice. I like taking breaks on road-trips as much as the next guy gal but this was excessive. If the breaks were half as frequent I d be very happy. Furthermore charging in my opinion is still way too slow for mass market adoption. When I rolled into the superchargers I was able to pull a rate of 90~ kW h. As the battery filled up the charge rate drastically slowed down. I can t wait for batteries to have either a much larger capacity or for supercharging to be significantly (e.g. < 5 minutes for a full charge) faster. One last thing... before I stop beating this dead horse... charging for me reduced my choice in lodging options considerably. I only stayed at hotels that had Tesla destination chargers so that I had a full charge at the start of every morning. I guess I didn t have to do that (as I could have used the supercharger network) but this was by far the most convenient way for me to have a full charge without detouring at a supercharger for 1 hour each morning (to get a full charge). Hotels with destination chargers aren t super cheap either (they re usually at least 4-stars... e.g. Marriott Hyatt etc). & nbsp **General thoughts** The car handled like a champ. It got me from point A to point B safely reliably and without any issue. The light snow and moderate rain that I encountered on the trip caused me no issue. The acceleration let me pass other drivers quickly and safely. The car took curves effortlessly. Thanks to AP2.0 even though I drove such a long distance I felt refreshed and alert the entire time. AP2.0 was the real MVP of the trip. & nbsp **The trip timeline** For all you folks interested in seeing how the trip progressed I screencapped my Google timeline from December 21st to the 26th. & nbsp *Day 1* Los Angeles CA -> Mt Shasta CA [637 mi 9h 32m](https: i.imgur.com GafM8AD.png) Charged at: Home | Buttonwillow CA | Gustine CA | Sacramento CA | Corning CA & nbsp *Day 2* Mt Shasta CA -> Portland OR [345 mi 5h 46m](https: i.imgur.com cLv1Nrw.png) Charged at: Mt. Shasta CA | Grants Pass OR | Eugene OR | Woodburn OR | Hotel @ Portland OR & nbsp *Day 3* Portland OR -> Seattle WA [285 mi 5h 0 m](https: i.imgur.com 4vCiW1O.png) Charged at: Centralia WA | Hotel @ Seattle WA & nbsp *Day 4* Sightseeing in Seattle WA 30.7 mi 1h 20m Charged at: Hotel @ Seattle WA & nbsp *Day 5* Seattle WA -> Sacramento CA [738 mi 11h 29m](https: i.imgur.com fgYIO4f.png) Charged at: Centralia WA | Woodburn OR | Eugene OR | Grants Pass OR | Mt. Shasta CA | Corning CA | Hotel @ Sacramento CA & nbsp *Day 6* Sacramento CA -> Los Angeles CA [401 mi 7h 6m](https: i.imgur.com L9irWYW.png) Charged at: Harris Ranch CA | Bakersfield CA | Home & nbsp **Distance**: 2436.7 mi (~3921 km) **Time**: ~40 hours of driving **Charging**: Too damn much & nbsp & nbsp **Would I do another long distance trip in my Tesla?** Most definitely. As much as charging sucked it was an enjoyable drive thanks to AP2.0. & nbsp Feel free to ask me any questions you may have. Happy Holidays to all~. | I agree on most of your points. The higher-capacity cars can charge faster and run longer which dramatically reduces the total trip time. Here s some numbers I whipped up via the route planning tools online: Orlando FL to Lexingon KY (825 Miles) Model X 60D 16:44 (With speed restrictions due to range) Model S 60 (Orig) 17:09 Model S 75 15:34 Model S 85 14:52 Model S 90D 14:38 Model S 100D 13:41 Model 3 SR 16:07 Model 3 LR 14:07 NONSTOP ICE 11:53 (No fuel food bio stops) So you can see that a 100D would have shaved two hours off my theoretical trip and your trip was much longer. The lower your state of charge (SoC) the faster your charge rate so that 25% buffer you gave yourself also extended your charge time. Ideally you pull in at < 10% remaining to get the full 120kw out of the supercharger. The onboard nav system uses your last 30 miles of consumption to base its estimates on so after your first 30 miles it should be pretty close to right on. Therefore charge at home to 100% set your nav for your final destination (or hotel) and then follow its instructions. It ll get you to the SC at 9 - 12% remaining you ll charge and go. Before you freak out remember that 10% remaining is 24 miles for your car. That s actually a pretty reasonable buffer if the original estimate was calculated at your actual wh mi which it should be. | Drove to LA from Seattle a week ago planning to drive back after the NYE. Model S same battery capacity. Very nice summary. Due to no cost charging the overall trip is less expensive compared to a fossil fuel car and in general charging wasn t a big drawback for me. Autopilot makes the trip comfortable. Happy travels. | 34 | 4 | 1,893 |
7mw48e | 215 | My experience driving my Model S 2 500 miles last week. I drove my Model S (Auto-Pilot 2.0) from Los Angeles CA to Seattle WA and back this winter. I started my trip on the 21st of December and arrived back home in Los Angeles on the 26th. Here are some quick thoughts and the breakdown of my trip. & nbsp **AP2.0** Wow... just wow. AP has improved tremedously (1000x) from when I first got it. I remember when the technology was first released earlier this year. It went from being an unusable ~~piece of shit~~ disappointment that tried to kill me every 30 seconds to a very reliable semi-autonomous system for highway driving. In my roughly 40 hours of driving AP drove 95% of the time. It was able to navigate through almost everything thrown at it: * curves * construction zones (with me being extremely alert) * light snow * moderate rain and * night-time conditions. I m really excited to see what the future holds for autonomy. It s very surprising that Tesla was able to come this far in such a sort time (after the Mobileye break-up and having to build their own technology in-house from scratch). I was very pleased with AP2.0. The team that worked on it at Tesla deserves nothing but praise... ^can ^we ^please ^get ^auto-wipers ^soon ^thanks ^^ s. & nbsp **Charging** First the supercharger infrastructure is awesome. I m very happy that Tesla provides this as a service to its customers. This is the reason a Tesla vehicle (unlike its competition) can be used for long distance travel. I won t sugarcoat it though... Charging was the worst part of the trip. I have a 75kW battery and my car is rated to get a 241 mile range on a full charge (thanks degradation). In reality due to real-world driving conditions I had to charge **nearly 30 minutes every 2 hours**. There are numerous reasons for this such as: * The spacing of the superchargers as you get further away from central California increases significantly. If you skip a supercharger it s unlikely that you ll be able to make it to the next one so you re more-or-less forced to charge at every available location even if you still have considerable juice left in your battery. * Weather conditions: as I moved further north from sunny southern California my Wh mi increased due to windy conditions having to use the heater etc... * Going at the speed of traffic: The Tesla navigation system initially assumes that you re going to go at the speed limit for its first set of calculations. Later on it will adjust to reflect your actual Wh mi (which is probably going to be higher) consumption. Going at the speed of traffic basically requires you to go at least 10 MPH over the speed limit (at least on the West coast). This along with weather conditions can cause the car to initially mispredict your ending battery percent by nearly 20%. I was very glad to have always added a buffer of 25% to my battery charge. The car will tell you to slow down below a certain speed if it detects that you won t make it to your destination which is nice. I like taking breaks on road-trips as much as the next guy gal but this was excessive. If the breaks were half as frequent I d be very happy. Furthermore charging in my opinion is still way too slow for mass market adoption. When I rolled into the superchargers I was able to pull a rate of 90~ kW h. As the battery filled up the charge rate drastically slowed down. I can t wait for batteries to have either a much larger capacity or for supercharging to be significantly (e.g. < 5 minutes for a full charge) faster. One last thing... before I stop beating this dead horse... charging for me reduced my choice in lodging options considerably. I only stayed at hotels that had Tesla destination chargers so that I had a full charge at the start of every morning. I guess I didn t have to do that (as I could have used the supercharger network) but this was by far the most convenient way for me to have a full charge without detouring at a supercharger for 1 hour each morning (to get a full charge). Hotels with destination chargers aren t super cheap either (they re usually at least 4-stars... e.g. Marriott Hyatt etc). & nbsp **General thoughts** The car handled like a champ. It got me from point A to point B safely reliably and without any issue. The light snow and moderate rain that I encountered on the trip caused me no issue. The acceleration let me pass other drivers quickly and safely. The car took curves effortlessly. Thanks to AP2.0 even though I drove such a long distance I felt refreshed and alert the entire time. AP2.0 was the real MVP of the trip. & nbsp **The trip timeline** For all you folks interested in seeing how the trip progressed I screencapped my Google timeline from December 21st to the 26th. & nbsp *Day 1* Los Angeles CA -> Mt Shasta CA [637 mi 9h 32m](https: i.imgur.com GafM8AD.png) Charged at: Home | Buttonwillow CA | Gustine CA | Sacramento CA | Corning CA & nbsp *Day 2* Mt Shasta CA -> Portland OR [345 mi 5h 46m](https: i.imgur.com cLv1Nrw.png) Charged at: Mt. Shasta CA | Grants Pass OR | Eugene OR | Woodburn OR | Hotel @ Portland OR & nbsp *Day 3* Portland OR -> Seattle WA [285 mi 5h 0 m](https: i.imgur.com 4vCiW1O.png) Charged at: Centralia WA | Hotel @ Seattle WA & nbsp *Day 4* Sightseeing in Seattle WA 30.7 mi 1h 20m Charged at: Hotel @ Seattle WA & nbsp *Day 5* Seattle WA -> Sacramento CA [738 mi 11h 29m](https: i.imgur.com fgYIO4f.png) Charged at: Centralia WA | Woodburn OR | Eugene OR | Grants Pass OR | Mt. Shasta CA | Corning CA | Hotel @ Sacramento CA & nbsp *Day 6* Sacramento CA -> Los Angeles CA [401 mi 7h 6m](https: i.imgur.com L9irWYW.png) Charged at: Harris Ranch CA | Bakersfield CA | Home & nbsp **Distance**: 2436.7 mi (~3921 km) **Time**: ~40 hours of driving **Charging**: Too damn much & nbsp & nbsp **Would I do another long distance trip in my Tesla?** Most definitely. As much as charging sucked it was an enjoyable drive thanks to AP2.0. & nbsp Feel free to ask me any questions you may have. Happy Holidays to all~. | I agree on most of your points. The higher-capacity cars can charge faster and run longer which dramatically reduces the total trip time. Here s some numbers I whipped up via the route planning tools online: Orlando FL to Lexingon KY (825 Miles) Model X 60D 16:44 (With speed restrictions due to range) Model S 60 (Orig) 17:09 Model S 75 15:34 Model S 85 14:52 Model S 90D 14:38 Model S 100D 13:41 Model 3 SR 16:07 Model 3 LR 14:07 NONSTOP ICE 11:53 (No fuel food bio stops) So you can see that a 100D would have shaved two hours off my theoretical trip and your trip was much longer. The lower your state of charge (SoC) the faster your charge rate so that 25% buffer you gave yourself also extended your charge time. Ideally you pull in at < 10% remaining to get the full 120kw out of the supercharger. The onboard nav system uses your last 30 miles of consumption to base its estimates on so after your first 30 miles it should be pretty close to right on. Therefore charge at home to 100% set your nav for your final destination (or hotel) and then follow its instructions. It ll get you to the SC at 9 - 12% remaining you ll charge and go. Before you freak out remember that 10% remaining is 24 miles for your car. That s actually a pretty reasonable buffer if the original estimate was calculated at your actual wh mi which it should be. | I havent supercharged yet can you answer my question. Do I need to log in or put my credit card on my account to use a super charger or is it just plug in and ur good to go? I have a Model S75 (bought it with a referral so I get the free supercharging perk) | 34 | 7 | 1,894 |
7n3qya | 120 | Model 3 some observations from new owner I thought I might write down a few observations from the first three days of ownership. First the new delivery center near the factory. What an experience! You first check in and hang out with other owners in a lounge with sofas tables a barista and all the Tesla toys to play with (S X Solar and Powerwall displays). After a few minutes Tesla s delivery guy came to us and asked if we would like to go into the bays to look over a static 3 and sign paperwork. There was 2 bays one with mostly S X and the other with all Model 3. When your car is detailed and ready there is a roll-up door that opens and your car is driven out to your delivery bay. There were dozens of cars in that preparation bay and employees everywhere. It was pretty impressive. I noticed superchargers inside where they were topping up the cars. Our car came its 75% charge. It makes sense they are charging to the point where rate starts to taper. Saves time when delivering so many cars. There were several trucks that drove up in the hour we were there all loaded with Model 3. After walk through they roll up another door on the other side of the room and your able to drive the car out yourself and your on your way. The car itself came virtually flawless no misalignment feels very upscale and modern without overshadowing its big brother. The suspension is very tight very sporty in feel. Corners perfectly flat. Permanent magnet motor feels snappier off the line as compared to my S85 (up to 60) where it seems to start to put a cap on acceleration in a way the induction motor in my s doesn t. The HVAC system is much quieter than the S. Sounds like a box fan whirring not squeaky. I think the infotainment software is still Beta as I cant get to wifi in any way which is annoying as at my house my LTE signal isn t great. Anyone have any ideas? Same with scheduled charging. The phone key seems to be so sensitive it wakes the car constantly as I walk around the house and it kicks on the charging multiple times a day (I m on TOU rate so I don t want to charge in the afternoon) hopefully this gets fixed soon. I m noticing some RF interference with the radio when i turn on the headlights (mild buzzing). My phone started the car yesterday and then I was dropped off by my wife and when she later got out of the driver seat to grab a toy my son dropped in the back seat she was unable to drive the car until she opened up the app on her phone and it could connect to the car. Cruise control system takes some getting used to. You cant tap the stick bump up your speed easily. Need to tap the screen. | Tapping the screen for cruise control is a really bad from a safety perspective I hope they change it to the integrated scroll wheels. | Curious did you opt out of Autopilot? | 38 | 6 | 1,895 |
7n4qix | 190 | Model 3 First Impressions (Current Model S Owner) My wife took delivery of her Blue long range Model 3 with sport wheels VIN 1083 last night (see post history for order date etc). Quick 1st impressions: - Landscape display looks better is much more responsive than Model S - Very fun to drive - feels as fast (or faster) than my RWD Model S and much lighter - Interior feels roomy more lux than expected - Much bumpier ride than Model S - Display UI is more intuitive than expected nice improvements over Model S. Will probably still be a learning curve for those who haven t ever used the Tesla display UI in a S or X - I don t love the door handles. It wasn t easy to open the door when approaching the rear door when walking from behind the car when I had my cat carrier in the other hand. This wouldn t be an issue with any normal door handle. - Delivery specialist informed us that the rear seats will be heated and will come through as part of an OTA update at some point. - The middle console is MUCH more convenient and well though through than the Model S. - Gonna have to figure out a convenient way to use the low-profile magnetic phone mount that we use on our Model S. It isn t immediately obvious where we can place it. - There are two mounted USB slots at the front of the center console and two in the back seat near the AC vents. - The back seat is more roomy than I expected. Tons of head room. - I really like the front seats. The lumbar adjustment seems more comfortable than on my grey leather seats on my Model S. - The front visors are a lot nicer than the Model S visors. - Rear-camera is sooooo much lower quality than the camera on the Model S and seems to be positioned in a way that it doesn t provide as clear of a rear perspective. Definitely not a fan. Pic: https: imgur.com a r6WxS (Note - this is in a fairly dark parking garage.) Here s another pic in an outside parking lot: https: imgur.com a y9caX - No chill mode yet - probably to come via software update. - No wifi yet - Rear visibility while driving isn t as good as the Model S. Smaller mirrors and the curved back window contribute to this. - Front visibility is better than Model S (dashboard isn t as high - no front instrument panel allows for very low profile) - To pop the trunk or frunk you need to specifically tap the open trunk button from the Tesla app or on the in-car display - Since the physical key for the car is a card there isn t a pop trunk button on the key - When within proximity of the car with your phone all of the doors and the trunk unlock. The trunk has a physical button to open it once unlocked. If you only have the key card and not your phonr it needs to be placed on the B pillar to unlock the car and trunk. A couple of photos: https: imgur.com a 9fRPa A bit blurry but here is what it looks like outside at twilight. https: imgur.com gallery fp2jm A couple of notes on the delivery experience: - Marina Del Rey delivery center is a pretty awesome operation - they even have a barista on premises and make delicious coffee drinks while waiting after paperwork signing. - There were a couple of minor scratches on the exterior of the car. The manager of the delivery center made sure to point them out to me and they took about 45 minutes after our walkthrough to do some body work and make the scratches disappear. Added a bit of time at the delivery center but no biggie. We probably wouldn t even have noticed the blemishes to be honest but we appreciated the transparency and attention to detail. Early production issues: - Closing the door requires a bit more force than I expected. I thought I had closed the rear door and my wife informed me upon returning to the car that I hadn t fully closed it. Oops. - When opening the doors the windows roll down a bit. On one occasion the window didn t automatically roll back up when closing the door - The app shows that the charge port door is open even though the charge port isn t open. This might just be a software glitch. Overall I m very impressed with the car and I m more open than ever to “downgrade” to a Model 3 when my Model S lease is up. Feel free to ask any questions and I ll respond as best I can! | The charge port door problem is widely reported. Seems that it will be fixed in a phone app update. We are leaving right now to go pick up our Model 3! | Love the delivery experience video. Thanks for sharing and congrats to your Wife. | 71 | 2 | 1,896 |
7n4qix | 190 | Model 3 First Impressions (Current Model S Owner) My wife took delivery of her Blue long range Model 3 with sport wheels VIN 1083 last night (see post history for order date etc). Quick 1st impressions: - Landscape display looks better is much more responsive than Model S - Very fun to drive - feels as fast (or faster) than my RWD Model S and much lighter - Interior feels roomy more lux than expected - Much bumpier ride than Model S - Display UI is more intuitive than expected nice improvements over Model S. Will probably still be a learning curve for those who haven t ever used the Tesla display UI in a S or X - I don t love the door handles. It wasn t easy to open the door when approaching the rear door when walking from behind the car when I had my cat carrier in the other hand. This wouldn t be an issue with any normal door handle. - Delivery specialist informed us that the rear seats will be heated and will come through as part of an OTA update at some point. - The middle console is MUCH more convenient and well though through than the Model S. - Gonna have to figure out a convenient way to use the low-profile magnetic phone mount that we use on our Model S. It isn t immediately obvious where we can place it. - There are two mounted USB slots at the front of the center console and two in the back seat near the AC vents. - The back seat is more roomy than I expected. Tons of head room. - I really like the front seats. The lumbar adjustment seems more comfortable than on my grey leather seats on my Model S. - The front visors are a lot nicer than the Model S visors. - Rear-camera is sooooo much lower quality than the camera on the Model S and seems to be positioned in a way that it doesn t provide as clear of a rear perspective. Definitely not a fan. Pic: https: imgur.com a r6WxS (Note - this is in a fairly dark parking garage.) Here s another pic in an outside parking lot: https: imgur.com a y9caX - No chill mode yet - probably to come via software update. - No wifi yet - Rear visibility while driving isn t as good as the Model S. Smaller mirrors and the curved back window contribute to this. - Front visibility is better than Model S (dashboard isn t as high - no front instrument panel allows for very low profile) - To pop the trunk or frunk you need to specifically tap the open trunk button from the Tesla app or on the in-car display - Since the physical key for the car is a card there isn t a pop trunk button on the key - When within proximity of the car with your phone all of the doors and the trunk unlock. The trunk has a physical button to open it once unlocked. If you only have the key card and not your phonr it needs to be placed on the B pillar to unlock the car and trunk. A couple of photos: https: imgur.com a 9fRPa A bit blurry but here is what it looks like outside at twilight. https: imgur.com gallery fp2jm A couple of notes on the delivery experience: - Marina Del Rey delivery center is a pretty awesome operation - they even have a barista on premises and make delicious coffee drinks while waiting after paperwork signing. - There were a couple of minor scratches on the exterior of the car. The manager of the delivery center made sure to point them out to me and they took about 45 minutes after our walkthrough to do some body work and make the scratches disappear. Added a bit of time at the delivery center but no biggie. We probably wouldn t even have noticed the blemishes to be honest but we appreciated the transparency and attention to detail. Early production issues: - Closing the door requires a bit more force than I expected. I thought I had closed the rear door and my wife informed me upon returning to the car that I hadn t fully closed it. Oops. - When opening the doors the windows roll down a bit. On one occasion the window didn t automatically roll back up when closing the door - The app shows that the charge port door is open even though the charge port isn t open. This might just be a software glitch. Overall I m very impressed with the car and I m more open than ever to “downgrade” to a Model 3 when my Model S lease is up. Feel free to ask any questions and I ll respond as best I can! | The charge port door problem is widely reported. Seems that it will be fixed in a phone app update. We are leaving right now to go pick up our Model 3! | What year is your Model S? | 71 | 12 | 1,897 |
7nan2q | 29 | [Discussion] Security of Model 3 RFID. Does anyone have a reference for the security of the RFID key for the Model 3? One of the concerns I have is someone can get relatively close to you and scan the RFID and “steal” your keys that way. Is there any special methods Tesla came up with to prevent this? Otherwise I feel like the RFID could be a potential weak point of Model 3 security. It s even more concerning because no one actually has to steal anything. They just need to be near you. If there s any security experts or Tesla employees that can give some more information I would appreciate it. | RFID cards participate in a challenge-response protocol they re not just broadcasting a fixed code. An attacker could potentially send your card a challenge and receive a valid response to that challenge but that response won t do squat to help them get into your car since the challenge they send won t match the challenge the car sends. Any car with an active key fob (i.e. one that automatically unlocks the doors when you get near or allows you to unlock with the door handle when you have the key with you) is in the exact same security situation already. Worse actually because key fobs are active devices with significant range whereas RFID only works at short range. | Locks keep honest people out | 28 | 2 | 1,898 |
7ndckp | 68 | [Discussion] Who is going all-electric this year? Especially with the Model 3 this year who among us will have only pure electric cars this year? Wife and I have been 100% electric for 2 years. Who is joining me? | My daily commute is just a 28 minute walk but my mother drives 2200miles a month. I just talked her into a Bolt up from a 2014 CRV that got 30mpg. Feeling pretty proud of myself. Turns out $1500-2k savings each year is a good selling point. | I ll be getting my Model 3 but my wife is sticking with her Subaru Legacy that s only 2 years old. Not sure if she d get a Model 3 regardless because she has a bit of anxiety about being 90 minutes away from the nearest service center. | 28 | 2 | 1,899 |
7nddim | 92 | January 2018 - Question and Answer Megathread Please post your question in this thread. If you have a more in-depth question that merits discussion create a post with [Discussion] in your post title. | What s the deal with LTE data in the Model 3? Are OTA updates included indefinitely at no additional cost? Can I connect other devices to this data connection and if so is there a subscription fee? There have been a few comments about “four years” of service... what happens after four years? Edit: revised questions | I d like to make a deposit for a Model 3 but despite all of the discussion regarding refunds I see zero information on the Tesla website (including in the reservation agreement and the reservation FAQ) regarding the possibility of a refund. I fully intend to take delivery on the car but just want to know what the rules are regarding refunds and I am a bit surprised I can t find it in writing. Anyone know where I can locate the refund policy? | 32 | 2 | 1,900 |
7nddim | 92 | January 2018 - Question and Answer Megathread Please post your question in this thread. If you have a more in-depth question that merits discussion create a post with [Discussion] in your post title. | What s the deal with LTE data in the Model 3? Are OTA updates included indefinitely at no additional cost? Can I connect other devices to this data connection and if so is there a subscription fee? There have been a few comments about “four years” of service... what happens after four years? Edit: revised questions | Will tesla model 3s built in 2017 be any different than 2018? Will the model 3 have minor updates over the years? | 32 | 2 | 1,901 |
7nddim | 92 | January 2018 - Question and Answer Megathread Please post your question in this thread. If you have a more in-depth question that merits discussion create a post with [Discussion] in your post title. | What s the deal with LTE data in the Model 3? Are OTA updates included indefinitely at no additional cost? Can I connect other devices to this data connection and if so is there a subscription fee? There have been a few comments about “four years” of service... what happens after four years? Edit: revised questions | I m a hatchback guy and was one of those original people hoping that the Model 3 Trunk was a hatchback. Obviously I still have it pre-ordered but was hoping I could still rely on it to hold drums. Does anyone here that got their model 3 a drummer and could maybe shed some insight on this question for me and (hopefully) give me some good news about spacing packing in a drum kit? | 32 | 3 | 1,902 |
7ndeak | 80 | January 2018 - Experiences Megathread **Photos intended for this thread:** - Personal Experiences - Vehicle Sightings (S 3 X) - [Latest Model 3 VIN Spottings](https: blfire.lima-city.de ) - Order Confirmations - Delivery Day Photos - Delivery Transport Photos - Vehicle Customizations - Blogs Vlogs + Racing Videos - Vanity Plates - Toy items Baked goods \\> > **[Upload your image(s) here and share the links below](https: imgur.com upload).** < < | r tesla showerthought: Tesla has now produce more Model 3s than original Roadsters (2 450). | Good crowd showed up to see You You Xue s Model 3 in Charlotte NC: https: imgur.com gallery Eu0ez | 34 | 3 | 1,903 |
7ndeak | 80 | January 2018 - Experiences Megathread **Photos intended for this thread:** - Personal Experiences - Vehicle Sightings (S 3 X) - [Latest Model 3 VIN Spottings](https: blfire.lima-city.de ) - Order Confirmations - Delivery Day Photos - Delivery Transport Photos - Vehicle Customizations - Blogs Vlogs + Racing Videos - Vanity Plates - Toy items Baked goods \\> > **[Upload your image(s) here and share the links below](https: imgur.com upload).** < < | r tesla showerthought: Tesla has now produce more Model 3s than original Roadsters (2 450). | Spotted [Model 3](https: imgur.com gallery QoOI9) #1894 today parked at Apple s 1 Infinite Loop building. | 34 | 4 | 1,904 |
7ndeak | 80 | January 2018 - Experiences Megathread **Photos intended for this thread:** - Personal Experiences - Vehicle Sightings (S 3 X) - [Latest Model 3 VIN Spottings](https: blfire.lima-city.de ) - Order Confirmations - Delivery Day Photos - Delivery Transport Photos - Vehicle Customizations - Blogs Vlogs + Racing Videos - Vanity Plates - Toy items Baked goods \\> > **[Upload your image(s) here and share the links below](https: imgur.com upload).** < < | r tesla showerthought: Tesla has now produce more Model 3s than original Roadsters (2 450). | Saw u youyouxue s Model 3 in Dedham MA last night and it was just one of FIVE at the showroom service center. One red salt-encrusted one belonged to an employee of the service center one midnight silver one was being prepped in the service bay two black ones were sitting out back and of course there was youyouxue s white one. | 34 | 5 | 1,905 |
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