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71hkjg | 113 | Model 3 Image Configurator The image configurator seems to be set up to work for the Model 3. https: www.tesla.com en_CA configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options= Has anyone managed to find a string op option codes for a delivered Model 3 that can be used to render a complete image with paint wheels etc? | Here are links to all combinations: * [Deep Blue Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB) * [Deep Blue Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W38B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W39B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W38B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W39B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W38B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W39B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W38B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W39B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W38B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W39B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W38B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W39B) * [Red Multi-Coat Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR) * [Red Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W38B) * [Red Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W39B) * [Red Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W38B) * [Red Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W39B) * [Silver Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS) * [Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W38B) * [Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W39B) * [Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W38B) * [Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W39B) * [Solid Black Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB) * [Solid Black 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W38B) * [Solid Black 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W39B) * [Solid Black 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W38B) * [Solid Black 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W39B) Credit goes to the OP u incinie for finding the first link with the three quarter view and starting this thread and for finding the colors blue grey black and red. Credit goes to u kornerz for discovering the seats view and the white color. I added the silver color and the side view. Credit goes to u SeBsZ for finding the wheels. | The only one I have found so far is the color for Ocean Blue . PPSB. https: www.tesla.com en_CA configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB | 65 | 7 | 1,606 |
71hkjg | 113 | Model 3 Image Configurator The image configurator seems to be set up to work for the Model 3. https: www.tesla.com en_CA configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options= Has anyone managed to find a string op option codes for a delivered Model 3 that can be used to render a complete image with paint wheels etc? | Here are links to all combinations: * [Deep Blue Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB) * [Deep Blue Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W38B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W39B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W38B) * [Deep Blue Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSB W39B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W38B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W39B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W38B) * [Midnight Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMNG W39B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W38B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W39B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W38B) * [Pearl White Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPSW W39B) * [Red Multi-Coat Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR) * [Red Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W38B) * [Red Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W39B) * [Red Multi-Coat 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W38B) * [Red Multi-Coat 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PPMR W39B) * [Silver Metallic Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS) * [Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W38B) * [Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W39B) * [Silver Metallic 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W38B) * [Silver Metallic 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PMSS W39B) * [Solid Black Seats View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SEAT& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB) * [Solid Black 18 Aero Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W38B) * [Solid Black 19 Sport Wheels Side View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_SIDE& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W39B) * [Solid Black 18 Aero Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W38B) * [Solid Black 19 Sport Wheels Three Quarter View](https: www.tesla.com configurator compositor ?model=m3& view=STUD_3QTR& size=1900& file_type=jpg& options=PBSB W39B) Credit goes to the OP u incinie for finding the first link with the three quarter view and starting this thread and for finding the colors blue grey black and red. Credit goes to u kornerz for discovering the seats view and the white color. I added the silver color and the side view. Credit goes to u SeBsZ for finding the wheels. | This is good news. It looks like they are working on the configurator. u FredTesla check this out. Update: Fred came through. Here is the article: https: electrek.co 2017 09 21 tesla-model-3-design-studio # | 65 | 9 | 1,607 |
71p861 | 78 | Model 3 will have AuXIn iPod support Thanks to Tesla being Tesla they (accidentally?) left Model3 specific bits in the media library in the latest S X update. This is the list of audio sources on Model 3 (probably region specific so not everything available everywhere): * None * TuneIn * Slacker * **iPod** * Bluetooth * **AuxIn** * Rdio * Spotify * USRadio * EURadio * Tesla * News * Sports * ESPN * Napster * Tidal * Pandora * QQ_Music * Melon * Genie * Audible * Amazon * Apple * Google * Soundcloud * Groove * iHeartRadio * Jango * Mixcloud * Bandcamp * 8tracks At least the software-only sources should be available for S X too eventually I imagine. | > Google What does this mean? That it ll support connecting to Google Play Music without me having to connect my phone? | Not all heros wear capes! Thanks! | 38 | 3 | 1,608 |
71yt6k | 62 | Mildly amusing drive on the way back from restaurant tonight There were a couple ICEs in front of me racing each other from each stop light swerving between lanes dangerously. One ICE was a Mustang. The guy in my passenger seat remarked that they were going cause an accident. I told him I ll handle this. All three of us ended up a the pole position in front of the stop light. Light goes green and I blow them off the road. Whether it was due to shock and awe or shame they stopped racing 3 seconds into it after my S pulled 100 feet ahead of them. That s what a entry level S with only rear wheel drive can do. Make the roads safe. This was on an expressway in the Bay Area with a 50 mph speed limit no traffic laws were violated by the OP. | > no traffic laws were violated by the OP. But > cvc 23109(c) A person shall not engage in a motor vehicle exhibition of speed on a highway and a person shall not aid or abet in a motor vehicle exhibition of speed on any highway. | Incredible 👏👏 | 42 | 2 | 1,609 |
71yt6k | 62 | Mildly amusing drive on the way back from restaurant tonight There were a couple ICEs in front of me racing each other from each stop light swerving between lanes dangerously. One ICE was a Mustang. The guy in my passenger seat remarked that they were going cause an accident. I told him I ll handle this. All three of us ended up a the pole position in front of the stop light. Light goes green and I blow them off the road. Whether it was due to shock and awe or shame they stopped racing 3 seconds into it after my S pulled 100 feet ahead of them. That s what a entry level S with only rear wheel drive can do. Make the roads safe. This was on an expressway in the Bay Area with a 50 mph speed limit no traffic laws were violated by the OP. | r carscirclejerk | Incredible 👏👏 | 28 | 2 | 1,610 |
71zipq | 22 | Not that anyone asked but here s my theory on automatic wipers for AP2. It s been reported that the Model 3 has a rain sensor… If that is definitely a rain sensor (and I do not believe it s actually been **confirmed**) it will likely be used in such a way to help non-sensor-equipped AP2 vehicles learn how to recognize rain: Rain sensor says it s raining. Vision system make a note of what this looks like (in the form of a footage dump) . Send the data back to Tesla where it s used in the sims. Eventually they end up with enough positive data that they can start letting the vision systems in the actual cars guess at when it s raining and ask for a confirmation from the rain sensor. Failures are still sent back to Tesla to help the system learn from them. Successes are used to firm up the algo as well of course. Once things start getting reliable they update the software on all AP2 cars to start using automatic wipers and note it might be a bit funky at first . Obviously that s highly reductive but without going deep into the tech side you can use it as a concept. That sort of learning is going to take some time and in the meantime I would not be shocked if the Model 3 doesn t get auto wipers using the rain sensor until they have enough data from the sensor sets to enable it fleetwide for all AP2 vehicles. It wouldn t be a good look for the 3 to have working autowipers and the S X not to. Once that s complete they can remove the sensor from the Model 3 production and save the extra eighty cents or so per machine. | It seems to me that Tesla should just admit the mistake and retrofit HW2 cars with the stupid sensor. | That s a good theory. I literally just posted this as a question before reading your speculation. So is it possible that nobody outside tesla knows? | 29 | 2 | 1,611 |
7227nx | 83 | The white Texas Model 3 delivered yesterday was created August 23rd. Just found this [response from RiggerJohn](https: model3ownersclub.com threads highest-production-vin-seen.4714 page-8#post-46874). Unless Tesla shut down the plant for an entire month where are these other cars? Elon mentioned 1 500+ cars a month by the end of September. We still have one week to go but shouldn t we be seeing a lot more Model 3s as they ramp up to 1 500? Also interesting to see deliveries outside of California. It s great to see that Tesla is comfortable to deliver cars away from home base. Here s to hoping we find out a lot more soon... | Yes how dare people buy a Model 3 and not post a video for everyone? Seriously if it was made in August that is good news. Means they could be on track for September deliveries. | Excellent. | 62 | 11 | 1,612 |
7227nx | 83 | The white Texas Model 3 delivered yesterday was created August 23rd. Just found this [response from RiggerJohn](https: model3ownersclub.com threads highest-production-vin-seen.4714 page-8#post-46874). Unless Tesla shut down the plant for an entire month where are these other cars? Elon mentioned 1 500+ cars a month by the end of September. We still have one week to go but shouldn t we be seeing a lot more Model 3s as they ramp up to 1 500? Also interesting to see deliveries outside of California. It s great to see that Tesla is comfortable to deliver cars away from home base. Here s to hoping we find out a lot more soon... | **WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY MODEL 3 S HAVE BEEN BUILT.** **WE DO NOT KNOW HOW THE PRODUCTION RAMP-UP IS GOING.** **WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHEN NON-EMPLOYEES WILL START RECEIVING CARS.** You can speculate all you want but you ll be wrong. We ll know how the production ramp-up is going when quarterly production numbers are announced like we always do. | It s birthday was August but what does that mean? Is that when final assembly of the car started? Or ended? Or QA was complete? Especially before the line is ramped up a car could be in the process of being manufactured for weeks. | 41 | 2 | 1,613 |
7227nx | 83 | The white Texas Model 3 delivered yesterday was created August 23rd. Just found this [response from RiggerJohn](https: model3ownersclub.com threads highest-production-vin-seen.4714 page-8#post-46874). Unless Tesla shut down the plant for an entire month where are these other cars? Elon mentioned 1 500+ cars a month by the end of September. We still have one week to go but shouldn t we be seeing a lot more Model 3s as they ramp up to 1 500? Also interesting to see deliveries outside of California. It s great to see that Tesla is comfortable to deliver cars away from home base. Here s to hoping we find out a lot more soon... | **WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY MODEL 3 S HAVE BEEN BUILT.** **WE DO NOT KNOW HOW THE PRODUCTION RAMP-UP IS GOING.** **WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHEN NON-EMPLOYEES WILL START RECEIVING CARS.** You can speculate all you want but you ll be wrong. We ll know how the production ramp-up is going when quarterly production numbers are announced like we always do. | Looks like I might have been right after all. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 71vlyn slug dndxx5m | 41 | 10 | 1,614 |
726dds | 258 | PSA: It s been 15 weeks since Tesla added a feature to AP2. With Model 3 s starting to ship and a lot of Tesla hype out there I thought I d add a reminder. It s been 15 weeks since Tesla added anything to AP2 and it s still not at AP1 levels after 50+ weeks of development. They have been putting the hardware on cars since October 10th 2016 and demoed full FSD in a video on October 20th 2016. Tesla (via Elon) said on Jan 22 2017 Autonomy capability should improve via OTA every 2 to 6 weeks. AP2 feature release history: * Jan 22: AP on HW only up to 45 MPH * Feb 3: increase highway speed to 50 MPH * Feb 23: Local roads up to 35 MPH parallel parking * March 10: increase highway speed to 55 MPH * March 29: increase HW to 80 MPH basic summon highway lane change * May 5: AEB to 28 MPH 90 MPH highway local to GPS speed limit +5 auto high beam * June 11: perpendicular park AEB to 90 MPH Missing AP1 features: * Rain sensing wipers * Reading speed limit signs * Identifying different vehicle types on instrument cluster EAP features expected in December 2016: * Automated lane change on highway * Auto highway exit * Highway to highway transitions * Better steering than AP1 on tight roads * Smart summon | I used to love coming to this sub and seeing if there were any new features and development in autopilot used to feel like it was happening so quickly. Now the sub is just different pictures of the same 3 cars. | Probably realized the lowest end Nvidia GPU (for driving) isn t up to the task. | 108 | 2 | 1,615 |
726dds | 258 | PSA: It s been 15 weeks since Tesla added a feature to AP2. With Model 3 s starting to ship and a lot of Tesla hype out there I thought I d add a reminder. It s been 15 weeks since Tesla added anything to AP2 and it s still not at AP1 levels after 50+ weeks of development. They have been putting the hardware on cars since October 10th 2016 and demoed full FSD in a video on October 20th 2016. Tesla (via Elon) said on Jan 22 2017 Autonomy capability should improve via OTA every 2 to 6 weeks. AP2 feature release history: * Jan 22: AP on HW only up to 45 MPH * Feb 3: increase highway speed to 50 MPH * Feb 23: Local roads up to 35 MPH parallel parking * March 10: increase highway speed to 55 MPH * March 29: increase HW to 80 MPH basic summon highway lane change * May 5: AEB to 28 MPH 90 MPH highway local to GPS speed limit +5 auto high beam * June 11: perpendicular park AEB to 90 MPH Missing AP1 features: * Rain sensing wipers * Reading speed limit signs * Identifying different vehicle types on instrument cluster EAP features expected in December 2016: * Automated lane change on highway * Auto highway exit * Highway to highway transitions * Better steering than AP1 on tight roads * Smart summon | I used to love coming to this sub and seeing if there were any new features and development in autopilot used to feel like it was happening so quickly. Now the sub is just different pictures of the same 3 cars. | Does anyone know if the initial Model 3 owners are seeing autopilot yet? I m seriously reconsidering getting EAP when my time to configure comes (hopefully within the next couple months). At this rate of development for S and X it may be mid-2018 before we see real EAP features show up for 3. | 108 | 3 | 1,616 |
726dds | 258 | PSA: It s been 15 weeks since Tesla added a feature to AP2. With Model 3 s starting to ship and a lot of Tesla hype out there I thought I d add a reminder. It s been 15 weeks since Tesla added anything to AP2 and it s still not at AP1 levels after 50+ weeks of development. They have been putting the hardware on cars since October 10th 2016 and demoed full FSD in a video on October 20th 2016. Tesla (via Elon) said on Jan 22 2017 Autonomy capability should improve via OTA every 2 to 6 weeks. AP2 feature release history: * Jan 22: AP on HW only up to 45 MPH * Feb 3: increase highway speed to 50 MPH * Feb 23: Local roads up to 35 MPH parallel parking * March 10: increase highway speed to 55 MPH * March 29: increase HW to 80 MPH basic summon highway lane change * May 5: AEB to 28 MPH 90 MPH highway local to GPS speed limit +5 auto high beam * June 11: perpendicular park AEB to 90 MPH Missing AP1 features: * Rain sensing wipers * Reading speed limit signs * Identifying different vehicle types on instrument cluster EAP features expected in December 2016: * Automated lane change on highway * Auto highway exit * Highway to highway transitions * Better steering than AP1 on tight roads * Smart summon | I used to love coming to this sub and seeing if there were any new features and development in autopilot used to feel like it was happening so quickly. Now the sub is just different pictures of the same 3 cars. | What we all need to realize is that progress in A.I. is a lot less predictable than working down a checklist of functional requirements. In other words this isn t about software development (which can be complex as it is). Much of this stuff is a hard problem that needs some fairly open-ended research. Now if you ve done the research and you got a component working such as: recognize that the windscreen or the road is wet with sufficient accuracy then you can do the software engineering and integrate it. That is then relatively easy and I personally wouldn t predict feature X in two months if I didn t have the associated classifier working yet. Now why AP2 at this time still does not filter jerky movements is puzzling to me (Kalman filters aren t new) but it s likely to be a tradeoff of being able to make quick necessary adjustments with a system that isn t able to see far enough. There is little risk management or the risk management that is done is accurate but does not coincide with human judgment. For example the AP might hug the curb because it is confident of being able to not hit it but it wants to stay further away from the yellow line that divides us from oncoming traffic. For context I am a fairly experienced programmer and I lead a research team at a US-based research university that deals with computational cognition. We don t do computer vision but some of my students publish in the machine learning literature. | 108 | 12 | 1,617 |
729nht | 67 | Anyone have a mirror of the In depth video of the Model 3 delivered today in Texas! video? The mirror of it is down. Did anyone download it? | https: streamable.com hb68a Found this. | Surprisingly I can t find any mirrors. I can give you a quick summery from what I remember. Overall build quality seemed good. Problems with touch screen not responding with multiple people multiple times. It s possible there is no AM FM radio hardware (or its missing from the UI). Bluetooth audio and equalizer didn t appear to be there either. The Tesla salesperson (or w e you call them) didn t seem very knowledgeable on the model 3. Rear windows appears to go down 60-70%. Here is the [original post](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 71wjz3 in_depth_video_of_the_model_3_delivered_today_in ) so you can get more info from the comments Here are a few more videos from the same person: [Video 1 \\(keycard unlock\\)](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=_Bq74JnVQdA) [Video 2 Phone storage](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=rxiSE-69vB4) [Video 3 Charge port](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=rO5mVNJCg3U) | 40 | 11 | 1,618 |
72ajo7 | 87 | Tesla Model S 75 now no longer available All Model S and X are now AWD. | It looks like the base price for the S75D did not drop which means the entry level price to an S is $74.5k now. | Let s see what Tesla does in Germany. Don t think it qualifies for the EV incentives right now. | 39 | 10 | 1,619 |
72cnde | 418 | Discussion: am I the only one who thinks that having your wiper controls in an on screen menu is taking the whole no buttons thing a bit too far? Climate and blowers? Sure. Seat heaters? No problem. Glove compartment. I can live with that. But your rain wipers in a menu? (This is all assuming that auto wipers have not been added to AP2 yet.) **Edit** wow wow what s with all the downvotes? I m just asking for everyones opinion not shitting on tesla or anything. | Only someone that lives in an arid desert like California would try selling that. Meanwhile the rest of the world needs a manual control for MAX SPEED NOW windscreen wiper command. Basic safety feature. You flail at it it just works and you can see most of the suddenly invisible environmet again. | Not if they are automatic. Sorry APv2 S X owners..... | 73 | 2 | 1,620 |
72cnde | 418 | Discussion: am I the only one who thinks that having your wiper controls in an on screen menu is taking the whole no buttons thing a bit too far? Climate and blowers? Sure. Seat heaters? No problem. Glove compartment. I can live with that. But your rain wipers in a menu? (This is all assuming that auto wipers have not been added to AP2 yet.) **Edit** wow wow what s with all the downvotes? I m just asking for everyones opinion not shitting on tesla or anything. | Only someone that lives in an arid desert like California would try selling that. Meanwhile the rest of the world needs a manual control for MAX SPEED NOW windscreen wiper command. Basic safety feature. You flail at it it just works and you can see most of the suddenly invisible environmet again. | I m not concerned about it and I live in Oregon where it rains about 3 4th of the year. Sudden hard downpour: hold down stalk that s normally pressed for a single wipe making the wipers go continuously (I m guessing as it does on every other car I ve ever had) pull up menu and turn them on. | 73 | 2 | 1,621 |
72cnde | 418 | Discussion: am I the only one who thinks that having your wiper controls in an on screen menu is taking the whole no buttons thing a bit too far? Climate and blowers? Sure. Seat heaters? No problem. Glove compartment. I can live with that. But your rain wipers in a menu? (This is all assuming that auto wipers have not been added to AP2 yet.) **Edit** wow wow what s with all the downvotes? I m just asking for everyones opinion not shitting on tesla or anything. | Only someone that lives in an arid desert like California would try selling that. Meanwhile the rest of the world needs a manual control for MAX SPEED NOW windscreen wiper command. Basic safety feature. You flail at it it just works and you can see most of the suddenly invisible environmet again. | Seems to me like they re envisioning not needing to access the fine-grained wiper speed controls very often once rain sensing wipers are enabled. It does make for a crappy experience in the meantime though. | 73 | 3 | 1,622 |
72mipo | 70 | Update: My EAP hasn t enabled after 300 miles I made [this post](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 725su2 how_long_does_camera_calibration_usually_take ) a couple of days ago asking if it was normal for EAP to have not enabled after driving a few hundred miles. The consensus was no especially since I could see the lane markings and other vehicles on the dashboard HUD. I rang Tesla on Sunday and they tried a remote reboot of the AP system which unfortunately achieved nothing. They said they d continue to look into it and get back to me on Monday. When they didn t I called them back today (Tuesday) and asked what was happening with my support case and they said there was nothing further they could do over the phone because they d noticed some errors so to book an appointment with the service centre. Fortunately I live only 10 minutes from the service centre so I thought I d go down without an appointment and see what they said. Worst case I d book an appointment and come back another day. But fortunately they had a bit of free time and were willing to have a look into it. I told them I d driven (now) 600 miles and it hadn t enabled yet then waited around for about an hour while they diagnosed it until they told me it was all fixed and the EAP was enabled. Apparently they d forgotten failed to enable it before the vehicle was delivered so it was just switched off in the firmware. I ve always had a great experience with the service centre showroom since day 1 so I don t really have any hard feelings about it. I d rather it d been enabled from the start but mistakes happen and I m not going to hold it against them because it was fixed quickly and professionally and they apologised for their mistake. All water under the bridge! Now I m just very excited to try out my tesla with EAP :D Someone asked me to post an update so here it is. tl dr tesla was delivered and was supposed to have EAP it didn t so they enabled it in firmware and now everything is good. | Seems incredibly silly that they couldn t see it was disabled remotely and enabled it. Considering you buy EAP later and enable it easily why wouldn t they over the phone been like oh yeah its disabled let me enable it. *flips switch*. | lucky you lived so close to the service centre and glad it was such an easy fix | 30 | 3 | 1,623 |
72nr6p | 257 | My colleague took a Model 3 delivery Short summary of his review: - this is the best car in every category has has ever owned. - it s extremely fast handles well and is QUIET. - it s scary how easy it is to speedup from 50 to 70 mph - handling is also impressive - the ride is rougher than what he has felt in a Model S (probably because it has a more conventional suspension and not the air suspension that comes on the 3 s big brother) - the car is extremely quiet (can t hear what s outside even if someone was yelling absolutely no rattling and no engine noise inside). Edit: can t hear what they are saying not can t hear at all. - interior is immaculate. No fit-and-finish problems the materials feel very high quality and it all feels solidly built with no rattles or squeaks to speak of. - single large center screen - works quite well - A C vents work amazingly well! - a few places feel the materials are a step down from the new Model S interior (controls and the bottom skirt on the power seats for example are cheap plastic). - back seat is comfortable and pretty big for a car of this size - folding the seats down presents you with a totally flat surface all the way back to the trunk that s probably about 7 feet long - no FM radio and no AUX input Enjoy! | Sorry I ve probably living under a rock for a while - but whats with the no FM Radio Aux input again? | VIN #? | 96 | 2 | 1,624 |
72nr6p | 257 | My colleague took a Model 3 delivery Short summary of his review: - this is the best car in every category has has ever owned. - it s extremely fast handles well and is QUIET. - it s scary how easy it is to speedup from 50 to 70 mph - handling is also impressive - the ride is rougher than what he has felt in a Model S (probably because it has a more conventional suspension and not the air suspension that comes on the 3 s big brother) - the car is extremely quiet (can t hear what s outside even if someone was yelling absolutely no rattling and no engine noise inside). Edit: can t hear what they are saying not can t hear at all. - interior is immaculate. No fit-and-finish problems the materials feel very high quality and it all feels solidly built with no rattles or squeaks to speak of. - single large center screen - works quite well - A C vents work amazingly well! - a few places feel the materials are a step down from the new Model S interior (controls and the bottom skirt on the power seats for example are cheap plastic). - back seat is comfortable and pretty big for a car of this size - folding the seats down presents you with a totally flat surface all the way back to the trunk that s probably about 7 feet long - no FM radio and no AUX input Enjoy! | Sorry I ve probably living under a rock for a while - but whats with the no FM Radio Aux input again? | How well does the autopilot work? | 96 | 3 | 1,625 |
72nr6p | 257 | My colleague took a Model 3 delivery Short summary of his review: - this is the best car in every category has has ever owned. - it s extremely fast handles well and is QUIET. - it s scary how easy it is to speedup from 50 to 70 mph - handling is also impressive - the ride is rougher than what he has felt in a Model S (probably because it has a more conventional suspension and not the air suspension that comes on the 3 s big brother) - the car is extremely quiet (can t hear what s outside even if someone was yelling absolutely no rattling and no engine noise inside). Edit: can t hear what they are saying not can t hear at all. - interior is immaculate. No fit-and-finish problems the materials feel very high quality and it all feels solidly built with no rattles or squeaks to speak of. - single large center screen - works quite well - A C vents work amazingly well! - a few places feel the materials are a step down from the new Model S interior (controls and the bottom skirt on the power seats for example are cheap plastic). - back seat is comfortable and pretty big for a car of this size - folding the seats down presents you with a totally flat surface all the way back to the trunk that s probably about 7 feet long - no FM radio and no AUX input Enjoy! | Sorry I ve probably living under a rock for a while - but whats with the no FM Radio Aux input again? | no FM radio and no AUX input Well I guess that s gunna get modded by a third party in my TM3. | 96 | 5 | 1,626 |
72ux84 | 28 | Tesla s Model X builder on their site has a six seat option at $6 000 and a seven seat option at $3 000. Strange. It looks like the seven seat option is the six seat option with an added seat. What am I missing? | Its because the 5 and 7 seat use a bench while the six seat configuration uses pedestals. Having done a test drive on a six seat model those middle seats are very nice and they give easy access to the last row. Its the configuration I would most want on a Model X. | That s odd. Could it be due to the fact that 6 seat interiors have the middle row on their own pedestals with independent seat controls? The 5 and 7 row Model X use a regular bench. | 40 | 2 | 1,627 |
72v30h | 230 | Tesla confirmed to Jalopnik that the current crop of Model 3s do not have FM radio enabled. However the company also confirmed that feature and Bluetooth audio streaming will be made available soon via an over-the-air software update https: jalopnik.com the-tesla-model-3-doesnt-have-fm-radio-right-now-but-it-1818848650 | 3 months maybe 6 months definitely. | Did anyone seriously think that the Model 3 would not have FM radio? C mon people... | 78 | 34 | 1,628 |
72v30h | 230 | Tesla confirmed to Jalopnik that the current crop of Model 3s do not have FM radio enabled. However the company also confirmed that feature and Bluetooth audio streaming will be made available soon via an over-the-air software update https: jalopnik.com the-tesla-model-3-doesnt-have-fm-radio-right-now-but-it-1818848650 | Better have a cassette deck or I m cancelling my reservation. | Great! Now we just need to solve the mystery of the heated seats throughout which apparently doesn t include the backseat. | 41 | 10 | 1,629 |
738kol | 21 | Review of Model 3 touchscreen and more Just came across [this comment](https: www.designernews.co comments 272094) thought you might find it interesting: > I had a chance to drive in one and I really didn t care for the UI. Nothing felt intuitive. None of the unlabeled(why?) icons could pass the sniff test. For simple functions like popping the hood or turning on the led headlights I didn t know where to look. Though I m sure this would be learned over time it s disconcerting as a first-time driver (I would never feel comfortable lending this to a friend or family member). Also the lack of tactile feedback and the need to take your eyes off the road made me feel very uncomfortable. > The worst part though was something that no other reviewer seems to have touched on yet. I was a passenger in the Model 3 at night and the big glowing screen in the front of the car was a huge distraction that I kept wanting to wish away. It s like having a television in your bedroom when you re trying to sleep at night. It s this big bright screen (it dims but it doesn t dim too low I never tried but I can t imagine that Tesla lets you turn it off). It needs blue-light (flux) to deal with the eye strain. Regardless of where in the car I was sitting (passenger seat or back seats) my attention was fixed to the screen and I couldn t look away. There s just so much going on on it (from Sirius XM cover art to fancy rendered tesla models and popping icons) that it s hard to look away. > Honestly I stare at a computer screen all day long and my screen-less commute to work is some sweet respite. This may not be an issue during the day but it certainly affected me at night. If you re trying to imagine what it s like think about long road-trips or taxi drives you ve taken at night where there s a screen staring in your face you can t turn off (whether it s mounted on the seatback or a GPS maps app mounted on the windshield dashboard). At night I greatly prefer subtle blue or red glowing accented buttons switches and knobs with proper tactile feedback. > There were some other things about the car that bothered me (the door handles were unnervingly difficult to open with one hand and the lack of foot space in the rear seats (not because the seats were too close but because to accommodate the battery the floor is so high it feels like you re sitting in the third row of an SUV where your knees are in your chest). There was also lots of road noise on the highway (whether that s because there was no engine noise to mitigate it I m not certain). Also when the car accelerates the inverter emits this incredibly off-putting whining sound. I had a preorder but I canceled it. I couldn t justify being an early-adopter for 50k. Sign me up for the 3.1! | For what it is worth RiggerJohn (a Model 3 Owner) on the model3ownersclub forum said that it auto dims and flips to night mode (most of the screen is black except for instrument cluster) when it is dark out. He didn t mention any issues with it for night driving. [Link to Post](https: www.model3ownersclub.com threads faq-checklist-of-features-for-new-owners-to-share.4806 page-37#post-48428) | I don t think any of that stuff will bother *me * but it s clearly not the car for him. At least he got to ride in one before putting his order in. Hopefully there will be test drive units out soon before too many non-employees confirm their orders. Mine isn t until next spring so I m pretty confident I ll get to drive one before I click the button. | 34 | 2 | 1,630 |
738kol | 21 | Review of Model 3 touchscreen and more Just came across [this comment](https: www.designernews.co comments 272094) thought you might find it interesting: > I had a chance to drive in one and I really didn t care for the UI. Nothing felt intuitive. None of the unlabeled(why?) icons could pass the sniff test. For simple functions like popping the hood or turning on the led headlights I didn t know where to look. Though I m sure this would be learned over time it s disconcerting as a first-time driver (I would never feel comfortable lending this to a friend or family member). Also the lack of tactile feedback and the need to take your eyes off the road made me feel very uncomfortable. > The worst part though was something that no other reviewer seems to have touched on yet. I was a passenger in the Model 3 at night and the big glowing screen in the front of the car was a huge distraction that I kept wanting to wish away. It s like having a television in your bedroom when you re trying to sleep at night. It s this big bright screen (it dims but it doesn t dim too low I never tried but I can t imagine that Tesla lets you turn it off). It needs blue-light (flux) to deal with the eye strain. Regardless of where in the car I was sitting (passenger seat or back seats) my attention was fixed to the screen and I couldn t look away. There s just so much going on on it (from Sirius XM cover art to fancy rendered tesla models and popping icons) that it s hard to look away. > Honestly I stare at a computer screen all day long and my screen-less commute to work is some sweet respite. This may not be an issue during the day but it certainly affected me at night. If you re trying to imagine what it s like think about long road-trips or taxi drives you ve taken at night where there s a screen staring in your face you can t turn off (whether it s mounted on the seatback or a GPS maps app mounted on the windshield dashboard). At night I greatly prefer subtle blue or red glowing accented buttons switches and knobs with proper tactile feedback. > There were some other things about the car that bothered me (the door handles were unnervingly difficult to open with one hand and the lack of foot space in the rear seats (not because the seats were too close but because to accommodate the battery the floor is so high it feels like you re sitting in the third row of an SUV where your knees are in your chest). There was also lots of road noise on the highway (whether that s because there was no engine noise to mitigate it I m not certain). Also when the car accelerates the inverter emits this incredibly off-putting whining sound. I had a preorder but I canceled it. I couldn t justify being an early-adopter for 50k. Sign me up for the 3.1! | For what it is worth RiggerJohn (a Model 3 Owner) on the model3ownersclub forum said that it auto dims and flips to night mode (most of the screen is black except for instrument cluster) when it is dark out. He didn t mention any issues with it for night driving. [Link to Post](https: www.model3ownersclub.com threads faq-checklist-of-features-for-new-owners-to-share.4806 page-37#post-48428) | > the lack of foot space in the rear seats (not because the seats were too close but because to accommodate the battery the floor is so high it feels like you re sitting in the third row of an SUV where your knees are in your chest It does seem like the rear seats might be situated a bit low relative to the floor for some people based on some pics videos I ve seen. Given that I won t be sitting back there ever I don t really care but it could be a legit gripe. > the door handles were unnervingly difficult to open with one hand Hit the gym precious. > There was also lots of road noise on the highway (whether that s because there was no engine noise to mitigate it I m not certain). Also when the car accelerates the inverter emits this incredibly off-putting whining sound. I m a bit curious about these. | 34 | 2 | 1,631 |
738kol | 21 | Review of Model 3 touchscreen and more Just came across [this comment](https: www.designernews.co comments 272094) thought you might find it interesting: > I had a chance to drive in one and I really didn t care for the UI. Nothing felt intuitive. None of the unlabeled(why?) icons could pass the sniff test. For simple functions like popping the hood or turning on the led headlights I didn t know where to look. Though I m sure this would be learned over time it s disconcerting as a first-time driver (I would never feel comfortable lending this to a friend or family member). Also the lack of tactile feedback and the need to take your eyes off the road made me feel very uncomfortable. > The worst part though was something that no other reviewer seems to have touched on yet. I was a passenger in the Model 3 at night and the big glowing screen in the front of the car was a huge distraction that I kept wanting to wish away. It s like having a television in your bedroom when you re trying to sleep at night. It s this big bright screen (it dims but it doesn t dim too low I never tried but I can t imagine that Tesla lets you turn it off). It needs blue-light (flux) to deal with the eye strain. Regardless of where in the car I was sitting (passenger seat or back seats) my attention was fixed to the screen and I couldn t look away. There s just so much going on on it (from Sirius XM cover art to fancy rendered tesla models and popping icons) that it s hard to look away. > Honestly I stare at a computer screen all day long and my screen-less commute to work is some sweet respite. This may not be an issue during the day but it certainly affected me at night. If you re trying to imagine what it s like think about long road-trips or taxi drives you ve taken at night where there s a screen staring in your face you can t turn off (whether it s mounted on the seatback or a GPS maps app mounted on the windshield dashboard). At night I greatly prefer subtle blue or red glowing accented buttons switches and knobs with proper tactile feedback. > There were some other things about the car that bothered me (the door handles were unnervingly difficult to open with one hand and the lack of foot space in the rear seats (not because the seats were too close but because to accommodate the battery the floor is so high it feels like you re sitting in the third row of an SUV where your knees are in your chest). There was also lots of road noise on the highway (whether that s because there was no engine noise to mitigate it I m not certain). Also when the car accelerates the inverter emits this incredibly off-putting whining sound. I had a preorder but I canceled it. I couldn t justify being an early-adopter for 50k. Sign me up for the 3.1! | For what it is worth RiggerJohn (a Model 3 Owner) on the model3ownersclub forum said that it auto dims and flips to night mode (most of the screen is black except for instrument cluster) when it is dark out. He didn t mention any issues with it for night driving. [Link to Post](https: www.model3ownersclub.com threads faq-checklist-of-features-for-new-owners-to-share.4806 page-37#post-48428) | Geez. Has this person ever been in a Tesla before? Because almost all of these complaints would apply to Model S or X. It seems they were just looking for things to dislike because this is a pretty unbalanced review. | 34 | 8 | 1,632 |
73mgmm | 546 | Negativity experience of buying CPO I haven t read any negative post of CPO so I might be the first only one. But I am writing to warn others to not make the same mistake that I did and also vent. I placed an order for a CPO in mid September. I got an email saying that ot would take 6-8 weeks which was totally fine. Earlier this week I got a call saying that it is already at the pickup location in Fremont so I need to schedule a pickup date and arrange the payment. So I scheduled to pick it up on Friday. I was so excited. Come friday in early afternoon I received a call saying that the car is not in Fremont but still in Santa Barbara. But since it s their fault and they want to make it right they offered to ship it to my home instead and would only take a couple of days. And they asked me to just go ahead and arrange the payment. Why would I suspect anything at this moment? Tesla is a very reputable company with good customer service. They wouldn t lie or mislead right? Anyhow I arrange the payments and overnight it. The CPO sales specialist sent a cookie cutter email saying that it will be delivered in 3-5 days. That s not what he said. I called and he told me that they are talking to the transport team and will hear back from them soon. Nothing on Friday. So I called him on Saturday morning. They are still trying to arrange the transport. So no firm date yet. Then I asked for a loaner and he said loaners are not available. My frustration is growing. Last message from him around 7pm on Saturday was that he was still trying to get it delivered ASAP. I suspect that they wanted me to make payment on Friday because it was the end of Q3. And I can t help but feeling that they misled me so that they could add one more sales for Q3 without knowing for sure whether they could deliver in a couple of days. So here I am having paid for the car but I don t have the car that I had paid for and don t know when I would get it frustrated and getting only same answers. Don t make the same mistakes that I did. Don t pay for the car only with salesperson s words. TL:DR - Paid for the car when promised it would be delivered in a couple of days. After payment Tesla haven t confirmed delivery date. Don t pay for the car before the actual delivery. [EDIT1] Ninja correction on a typo. And also reached out to u jmc-at-tesla thanks to u venture70 and u dieabetic. Probably hear back from someone on Monday. Will update then. [EDIT2] u jmc-at-tesla just replied that someone will reach out to me today. Will update with the results. [EDIT3] Thanks to u jmc-at-tesla someone from Tesla did just reach out and he promised a loaner tonight and having the actual car delivered at the latest by Wednesday. This is an outcome I am certainly happy with at this moment. Hopefully u seenhear also got his situation resolved soon. | I obviously don t know their motives but if they say it ll be a couple of days and it ends up taking 3 I wouldn t quite be picking up the pitchfork yet. (Especially when 2 of those days are weekends.) Come Wednesday and no car I d prolly start looking for a pitchfork. | It won t count towards the Q3 numbers unless you actually had the car at that point. It is possible that your salesdude didn t understand this and was trying to game the system of course. I recall a year or so ago there was some controversy with salespeople trying to take payment before the end of the quarter for a car that wouldn t be delivered for another week or so and arrange for a loaner in the meantime trying to pad the numbers. Elon came down on that hard and pointed out that it wouldn t work anyway. | 85 | 16 | 1,633 |
73mgmm | 546 | Negativity experience of buying CPO I haven t read any negative post of CPO so I might be the first only one. But I am writing to warn others to not make the same mistake that I did and also vent. I placed an order for a CPO in mid September. I got an email saying that ot would take 6-8 weeks which was totally fine. Earlier this week I got a call saying that it is already at the pickup location in Fremont so I need to schedule a pickup date and arrange the payment. So I scheduled to pick it up on Friday. I was so excited. Come friday in early afternoon I received a call saying that the car is not in Fremont but still in Santa Barbara. But since it s their fault and they want to make it right they offered to ship it to my home instead and would only take a couple of days. And they asked me to just go ahead and arrange the payment. Why would I suspect anything at this moment? Tesla is a very reputable company with good customer service. They wouldn t lie or mislead right? Anyhow I arrange the payments and overnight it. The CPO sales specialist sent a cookie cutter email saying that it will be delivered in 3-5 days. That s not what he said. I called and he told me that they are talking to the transport team and will hear back from them soon. Nothing on Friday. So I called him on Saturday morning. They are still trying to arrange the transport. So no firm date yet. Then I asked for a loaner and he said loaners are not available. My frustration is growing. Last message from him around 7pm on Saturday was that he was still trying to get it delivered ASAP. I suspect that they wanted me to make payment on Friday because it was the end of Q3. And I can t help but feeling that they misled me so that they could add one more sales for Q3 without knowing for sure whether they could deliver in a couple of days. So here I am having paid for the car but I don t have the car that I had paid for and don t know when I would get it frustrated and getting only same answers. Don t make the same mistakes that I did. Don t pay for the car only with salesperson s words. TL:DR - Paid for the car when promised it would be delivered in a couple of days. After payment Tesla haven t confirmed delivery date. Don t pay for the car before the actual delivery. [EDIT1] Ninja correction on a typo. And also reached out to u jmc-at-tesla thanks to u venture70 and u dieabetic. Probably hear back from someone on Monday. Will update then. [EDIT2] u jmc-at-tesla just replied that someone will reach out to me today. Will update with the results. [EDIT3] Thanks to u jmc-at-tesla someone from Tesla did just reach out and he promised a loaner tonight and having the actual car delivered at the latest by Wednesday. This is an outcome I am certainly happy with at this moment. Hopefully u seenhear also got his situation resolved soon. | Why would you pay for a vehicle without seeing it first? Yeesh | It won t count towards the Q3 numbers unless you actually had the car at that point. It is possible that your salesdude didn t understand this and was trying to game the system of course. I recall a year or so ago there was some controversy with salespeople trying to take payment before the end of the quarter for a car that wouldn t be delivered for another week or so and arrange for a loaner in the meantime trying to pad the numbers. Elon came down on that hard and pointed out that it wouldn t work anyway. | 57 | 16 | 1,634 |
73mgmm | 546 | Negativity experience of buying CPO I haven t read any negative post of CPO so I might be the first only one. But I am writing to warn others to not make the same mistake that I did and also vent. I placed an order for a CPO in mid September. I got an email saying that ot would take 6-8 weeks which was totally fine. Earlier this week I got a call saying that it is already at the pickup location in Fremont so I need to schedule a pickup date and arrange the payment. So I scheduled to pick it up on Friday. I was so excited. Come friday in early afternoon I received a call saying that the car is not in Fremont but still in Santa Barbara. But since it s their fault and they want to make it right they offered to ship it to my home instead and would only take a couple of days. And they asked me to just go ahead and arrange the payment. Why would I suspect anything at this moment? Tesla is a very reputable company with good customer service. They wouldn t lie or mislead right? Anyhow I arrange the payments and overnight it. The CPO sales specialist sent a cookie cutter email saying that it will be delivered in 3-5 days. That s not what he said. I called and he told me that they are talking to the transport team and will hear back from them soon. Nothing on Friday. So I called him on Saturday morning. They are still trying to arrange the transport. So no firm date yet. Then I asked for a loaner and he said loaners are not available. My frustration is growing. Last message from him around 7pm on Saturday was that he was still trying to get it delivered ASAP. I suspect that they wanted me to make payment on Friday because it was the end of Q3. And I can t help but feeling that they misled me so that they could add one more sales for Q3 without knowing for sure whether they could deliver in a couple of days. So here I am having paid for the car but I don t have the car that I had paid for and don t know when I would get it frustrated and getting only same answers. Don t make the same mistakes that I did. Don t pay for the car only with salesperson s words. TL:DR - Paid for the car when promised it would be delivered in a couple of days. After payment Tesla haven t confirmed delivery date. Don t pay for the car before the actual delivery. [EDIT1] Ninja correction on a typo. And also reached out to u jmc-at-tesla thanks to u venture70 and u dieabetic. Probably hear back from someone on Monday. Will update then. [EDIT2] u jmc-at-tesla just replied that someone will reach out to me today. Will update with the results. [EDIT3] Thanks to u jmc-at-tesla someone from Tesla did just reach out and he promised a loaner tonight and having the actual car delivered at the latest by Wednesday. This is an outcome I am certainly happy with at this moment. Hopefully u seenhear also got his situation resolved soon. | > they offered to ship it to my home instead and would only take a couple of days. > email saying that it will be delivered in 3-5 days. That s not what he said. But it sounds like **that is** what he said? | Wasn t there some Tesla executive who posted on the Tesla Motors Club forum and made his contact info available specifically for bad customer service experiences like this? | 37 | 4 | 1,635 |
73o7wm | 448 | Have we had enough I took a picture of a model 3 posts yet? I for one have seen pictures of the car now. | People are still posting Model S photos... | As long as they include picture of the VIN. | 139 | 10 | 1,636 |
73o7wm | 448 | Have we had enough I took a picture of a model 3 posts yet? I for one have seen pictures of the car now. | People are still posting Model S photos... | No members of the general public (i.e. not employees or relatives of employees) have received the car yet. Until that happens the Model 3 is still relatively mysterious so seeing them in the wild is a relatively rare opportunity. The only reason it seems like there s so many of them is because we surround ourselves with Tesla - I personally check new a lot and am a member of numerous Tesla groups on Facebook. So I m bound to see a bunch of Model 3 posts. | 139 | 44 | 1,637 |
73o7wm | 448 | Have we had enough I took a picture of a model 3 posts yet? I for one have seen pictures of the car now. | People are still posting Model S photos... | The news is slow lately. I d rather have new photos of the 3 in the wild than not. | 139 | 56 | 1,638 |
73unf2 | 112 | My Tesla stopped - my experience Hi All Got my Tesla just over two weeks ago from Tesla (CPO). Found the experience great and the car even more so. Driving to the office from home today (130miles) I saw a notification pop up saying “car may not restart service needed”. I made a note to remember it but carried on driving to my destination. I moved the car at lunch forgetting the mental note only to leave the office at 1730 and fail to start the car - it said “service needed”. I called Tesla roadside and within 45 minutes was sitting in a courtesy car and my car was on a tow truck. It did start again but I wanted the car to be checked and Tesla said that that s the best course of action. On the phone they identified the fault but said it would need investigation (12v battery... is this a known issue?) What has impressed me most was the swiftness to resolve Tesla s communication and even them apologising for the courtesy car (a 520d with 5 000 miles on it - not bad but no Tesla). They even said that they ll try to get me a Tesla tomorrow otherwise I should save all petrol receipts so they can pay. This customer service is amazing and despite my car being towed I m a happy customer. Very impressed and wanted to share this as I know there must have been people rolling their eyes at a Tesla on a truck. | The 12v battery issue appears to have been solved in later models. I don t think we ve seen a late-16 or 2017 model report that issue at all. Hopefully this is a one-time deal for you and you can get back to enjoying your car. | While it was good that Tesla had good customer service for OP problems like these makes me really think that Tesla should focus on working out the problems with their currrent models rather than making the potential Tesla semi truck. | 38 | 10 | 1,639 |
740sjm | 46 | Let s talk about Tesla s stubbornness when it comes to service and repair. Let s start this off saying that I don t own a Tesla. I m not interested in Tesla s current lineup of vehicles but I am interested in the company and the technology in their vehicles. I don t know the process of getting a Tesla serviced or repaired. I am also a former Hyundai technician. I have heard that Tesla is incredibly stubborn when it comes to servicing and repairing their vehicles. Tesla won t sell many parts over the counter a lot of stuff is restricted. Tesla doesn t offer service information anywhere but the US state of Massachusetts. Tesla doesn t license their dealership diagnostic software. Tesla refused to touch salvaged or rebuilt titled vehicles. Many car manufacturers will license their dealership diagnostic software to independent shops or even for personal use. The law is that manufacturers must make it possible for independent shops to diagnose and repair emissions control equipment. The OBD2 standard has been in effect since 1996 and the J2534 module reflashing standard has been in effect since 2004. Tesla doesn t have to adhere to these regulations because they are zero emissions vehicles. I feel like if Tesla wants to succeed they need to start doing what other manufacturers are doing and allowing independent shops to buy parts and license diagnostic software and equipment. I can plug my J3524 into the OBD2 port of any Honda Ford Nissan Mercedes or any other car download the diagnostic software from the manufacturer and fix the car. I think it s safe to assume that I can t do the same with a Tesla so they would need to sell not only the software but the computer to car interface as well. Tesla also needs to allow service and repair information available everywhere not just in Massachusetts. I feel like their stubbornness could be their downfall. Not everyone likes going to the dealer. (I know that Tesla doesn t technically have dealers but you get my point). Dealers charge more for parts and service and if there s only one in town it may take all day just to get basic service done. Larger repairs could take a week or more. Dealership technician aren t always as well trained as everyone thinks they are. I personally know some dealer techs that should not be allowed anywhere near an automobile. Most don t have any diagnostic skill whatsoever and throw parts at the car hoping one of them fixes it. A lot of people have had bad experiences at dealerships and don t want to go to them. You re forced to with Tesla and I think that is a major problem. How do you guys feel about this? | If you want the service manual and you aren t in Massachussets it s also available at a certain tortuga bay where ocean going privateers gather to enjoy the torrential rains. | > I feel like if Tesla wants to succeed they need to start doing what other manufacturers are doing and allowing independent shops to buy parts and license diagnostic software and equipment. This is partially incorrect. Tesla has an Authorized Body Shop program and shops can complete required courses to become an authorized shop. This gives them access to parts software documentation. https: www.tesla.com support body-shop-support Also would probably be good for people to read up on updates to shop support: https: electrek.co 2017 05 17 tesla-body-shop-program-equipment https: electrek.co 2017 04 24 tesla-body-shop-program-cost-model-3 Tesla could be more open - however they re not as closed off as your post contends. | 91 | 8 | 1,640 |
740sjm | 46 | Let s talk about Tesla s stubbornness when it comes to service and repair. Let s start this off saying that I don t own a Tesla. I m not interested in Tesla s current lineup of vehicles but I am interested in the company and the technology in their vehicles. I don t know the process of getting a Tesla serviced or repaired. I am also a former Hyundai technician. I have heard that Tesla is incredibly stubborn when it comes to servicing and repairing their vehicles. Tesla won t sell many parts over the counter a lot of stuff is restricted. Tesla doesn t offer service information anywhere but the US state of Massachusetts. Tesla doesn t license their dealership diagnostic software. Tesla refused to touch salvaged or rebuilt titled vehicles. Many car manufacturers will license their dealership diagnostic software to independent shops or even for personal use. The law is that manufacturers must make it possible for independent shops to diagnose and repair emissions control equipment. The OBD2 standard has been in effect since 1996 and the J2534 module reflashing standard has been in effect since 2004. Tesla doesn t have to adhere to these regulations because they are zero emissions vehicles. I feel like if Tesla wants to succeed they need to start doing what other manufacturers are doing and allowing independent shops to buy parts and license diagnostic software and equipment. I can plug my J3524 into the OBD2 port of any Honda Ford Nissan Mercedes or any other car download the diagnostic software from the manufacturer and fix the car. I think it s safe to assume that I can t do the same with a Tesla so they would need to sell not only the software but the computer to car interface as well. Tesla also needs to allow service and repair information available everywhere not just in Massachusetts. I feel like their stubbornness could be their downfall. Not everyone likes going to the dealer. (I know that Tesla doesn t technically have dealers but you get my point). Dealers charge more for parts and service and if there s only one in town it may take all day just to get basic service done. Larger repairs could take a week or more. Dealership technician aren t always as well trained as everyone thinks they are. I personally know some dealer techs that should not be allowed anywhere near an automobile. Most don t have any diagnostic skill whatsoever and throw parts at the car hoping one of them fixes it. A lot of people have had bad experiences at dealerships and don t want to go to them. You re forced to with Tesla and I think that is a major problem. How do you guys feel about this? | If you want the service manual and you aren t in Massachussets it s also available at a certain tortuga bay where ocean going privateers gather to enjoy the torrential rains. | I come from an independent shop background and believe in Right To Repair laws. They protect consumers from being forced to take their item to a single source in order to get repairs. They also allow for more expedient repairs if the manufacturer has delays and prevent price fixing. I have bought subscriptions from most of the manufacturers in order to complete repairs or get diagnostic information for customers or for my own vehicles and it has worked well and helped people save money. I wrote about how Tesla got around the Right To Repair agreement a couple of years ago and was hoping to that they would open up their service site to people and shops outside of MA but that still has not changed. Although they are not changed often I will use brake pads as an example since prices are known. Tesla charges $207.08 for a set of front brake pads (1055066-00-B) but equivalent pads are available from Bosch (BP1001) for $28.79. This means that there is a potential for a customer to save $179 just on the pads themselves by going to an independent shop but if the service information is not available then independent shops cannot service them so the customer is forced to go to Tesla and pay the higher price. The most recent brake job receipt I ve seen for a Model S looks like this: Front Brake Pad Set 1 x $207.08 = $207.08 Front Brake Rotor 2 x $218.00 = $436.00 Rear Brake Pad Set 1 x $176.39 = $176.39 Rear Brake Rotor 2 x $220.80 = $441.60 Total Parts: $1261.07 Labor: $341.25 Brake Service Total: $1602.32 In comparison here is a recent total for a CTS-V that I worked on which uses the same series Brembo caliper the same exact pads and similar rotors: Front Brake Pad Set 1 x $28.79 = $28.79 Front Brake Rotor 2 x $50.79 = $101.58 Rear Brake Pad Set 1 x $29.79 = $29.79 Rear Brake Rotor 2 x $49.99 = $99.98 Total Parts: $260.14 Labor: $279.00 Brake Service Total: $539.14 | 91 | 61 | 1,641 |
7443i5 | 50 | What will the Tesla Semi pull during the unveiling when it is introduced? What will the Tesla Semi pull during the unveiling when it is introduced? ---- Tesla usually does things to great fanfare with the exception of the anti-climactic Model 3 introduction. What do you think they have up their sleeve for the Semi Unveiling? ---- |Vote Button| Poll Options|Current Vote Count| |:-----------:|:------------:|:------------| |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote d9ZXFEl5)**|Nothing just the semi itself|**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 66GzfMeG)**|Falcon Heavy rocket|**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 207wSEWp)**|Trailer of Model 3s |**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 8O8NiPo7)**|Trailer of a roadster Model S Model X & Model 3 |**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote AvpyhAmo)**|Fifth wheel luxury camper large Airstream |**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote ZjoVIOAg)**|Other -- in comments|**0** Votes ---- **Instructions:** * Click Vote to Register Your Vote. ---- **Note:** Vote Count in this post will be updated real time with new data. ---- Make Your Own Poll Here **[redditpoll.com](http: redditpoll.com)**. ---- See live vote count **[here](http: redditpoll.com poll what-will-the-tesla-semi-pull-during-the-unveiling-when-it-is-introduced)** | A typical ICE Semi will be attached 180 degrees opposite of the Tesla Semi....the two trucks will each drive away from each other and a tug-of-war will ensue. The Tesla Semi will win and the ICE Semi will be pulled in reverse tires spinning fruitlessly and burning rubber. | Great post. Refreshing addition to Elon Musk reveal event Bingo. | 95 | 2 | 1,642 |
7443i5 | 50 | What will the Tesla Semi pull during the unveiling when it is introduced? What will the Tesla Semi pull during the unveiling when it is introduced? ---- Tesla usually does things to great fanfare with the exception of the anti-climactic Model 3 introduction. What do you think they have up their sleeve for the Semi Unveiling? ---- |Vote Button| Poll Options|Current Vote Count| |:-----------:|:------------:|:------------| |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote d9ZXFEl5)**|Nothing just the semi itself|**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 66GzfMeG)**|Falcon Heavy rocket|**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 207wSEWp)**|Trailer of Model 3s |**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 8O8NiPo7)**|Trailer of a roadster Model S Model X & Model 3 |**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote AvpyhAmo)**|Fifth wheel luxury camper large Airstream |**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote ZjoVIOAg)**|Other -- in comments|**0** Votes ---- **Instructions:** * Click Vote to Register Your Vote. ---- **Note:** Vote Count in this post will be updated real time with new data. ---- Make Your Own Poll Here **[redditpoll.com](http: redditpoll.com)**. ---- See live vote count **[here](http: redditpoll.com poll what-will-the-tesla-semi-pull-during-the-unveiling-when-it-is-introduced)** | A typical ICE Semi will be attached 180 degrees opposite of the Tesla Semi....the two trucks will each drive away from each other and a tug-of-war will ensue. The Tesla Semi will win and the ICE Semi will be pulled in reverse tires spinning fruitlessly and burning rubber. | I m not sure about the Semi but I have a suggestion for the Tesla truck reveal. The Tesla truck is positioned at the base of a hill such that you can see the hill and the truck but what is being towed by the truck is hidden behind a curtain. As the towed item is pulled by the Tesla truck up the hill the load becomes visible. Chained to the Tesla truck would be an F-150 which is facing the opposite direction with both back wheels spinning as it is pulled against its will by the Tesla. Attached via tow chains to the front frame of the F-150 will be a Chevy Silverado which is attempting to help the Ford pull against the Tesla with both back wheels spinning as it is pulled against its will by the Tesla. Attached via tow chains to the front frame of the Silverado will be a ~~Dodge~~ Ram Ram which is attempting to help the Ford pull against the Tesla with both back wheels spinning as it is pulled against its will by the Tesla. | 95 | 6 | 1,643 |
7443i5 | 50 | What will the Tesla Semi pull during the unveiling when it is introduced? What will the Tesla Semi pull during the unveiling when it is introduced? ---- Tesla usually does things to great fanfare with the exception of the anti-climactic Model 3 introduction. What do you think they have up their sleeve for the Semi Unveiling? ---- |Vote Button| Poll Options|Current Vote Count| |:-----------:|:------------:|:------------| |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote d9ZXFEl5)**|Nothing just the semi itself|**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 66GzfMeG)**|Falcon Heavy rocket|**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 207wSEWp)**|Trailer of Model 3s |**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 8O8NiPo7)**|Trailer of a roadster Model S Model X & Model 3 |**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote AvpyhAmo)**|Fifth wheel luxury camper large Airstream |**0** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote ZjoVIOAg)**|Other -- in comments|**0** Votes ---- **Instructions:** * Click Vote to Register Your Vote. ---- **Note:** Vote Count in this post will be updated real time with new data. ---- Make Your Own Poll Here **[redditpoll.com](http: redditpoll.com)**. ---- See live vote count **[here](http: redditpoll.com poll what-will-the-tesla-semi-pull-during-the-unveiling-when-it-is-introduced)** | A typical ICE Semi will be attached 180 degrees opposite of the Tesla Semi....the two trucks will each drive away from each other and a tug-of-war will ensue. The Tesla Semi will win and the ICE Semi will be pulled in reverse tires spinning fruitlessly and burning rubber. | I m going with a tunnel boring machine. | 95 | 15 | 1,644 |
745bro | 272 | The first Tesla Semi does not need to be all things to all truckers to be a huge success. The Semi does not need 600 mile range a sleeper cab or instant charging. It only needs to move loads 300 miles with substantially less fuel than a normal truck to sell every one Tesla can build. Two reasons Tesla will not be able to build lots of them at first and the middle range trucking market is quite big. There are tons of jobs a Tesla trucks could do at a large profit for the owner well before the 600 mile long haul sleeper market is approached. Tesla will continue to build out infrastructure and increase battery range over a few years and they will get there when it matters. A shorter truck cab that can carry a slightly heavier load will also be a big win. With the right combination of battery size a Tesla truck could weigh thousands of pounds LESS than a traditional truck allowing it to move 10% more in each trip. Tesla can probably make this truck 5 or more shorter than normal with no loss of power. This will help in tight spaces with some types of deliveries. This is going to be a 200k to 300k vehicle with a large profit margin for Telsa. Even 1000 trucks a month will be a profit center. | You re right the Tesla semi doesn t need to do everything. It only has to do one thing better than standard trucks. It has to be cheaper. I doubt a Tesla semi will be cheaper to buy. But it will need to be much cheaper to operate to offset the premium. Cost seems to be the number one concern in the trucking industry. > A shorter truck cab that can carry a slightly heavier load will also be a big win. With the right combination of battery size a Tesla truck could weigh thousands of pounds LESS than a traditional truck allowing it to move 10% more in each trip. Tesla can probably make this truck 5 or more shorter than normal with no loss of power. This will help in tight spaces with some types of deliveries [Cabover trucks](https: www.google.com search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS721US722& biw=2133& bih=1096& tbm=isch& sa=1& q=semi+truck+europe& oq=semi+truck+europe& gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i8i30k1j0i24k1.56986.59668.0.59739.17.17.0.0.0.0.117.1267.15j1.16.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.16.1261...0j0i67k1.0.Wy5oqUZjb4A) have existed for a long time. They re all over Europe. | Not enough details to draw any conclusions just yet. These endless discussions about range would probably not be so peristent if Elon (yet again) did not set unreasonable expectations early on by saying it was going to be a long haul semi...which it isn t really. | 77 | 11 | 1,645 |
745bro | 272 | The first Tesla Semi does not need to be all things to all truckers to be a huge success. The Semi does not need 600 mile range a sleeper cab or instant charging. It only needs to move loads 300 miles with substantially less fuel than a normal truck to sell every one Tesla can build. Two reasons Tesla will not be able to build lots of them at first and the middle range trucking market is quite big. There are tons of jobs a Tesla trucks could do at a large profit for the owner well before the 600 mile long haul sleeper market is approached. Tesla will continue to build out infrastructure and increase battery range over a few years and they will get there when it matters. A shorter truck cab that can carry a slightly heavier load will also be a big win. With the right combination of battery size a Tesla truck could weigh thousands of pounds LESS than a traditional truck allowing it to move 10% more in each trip. Tesla can probably make this truck 5 or more shorter than normal with no loss of power. This will help in tight spaces with some types of deliveries. This is going to be a 200k to 300k vehicle with a large profit margin for Telsa. Even 1000 trucks a month will be a profit center. | I think reliability is #1. Sure you can take your S X and 3 on a flatbed every once in a while but in the middle of nowhere on a highway carrying cargo where truck drivers are metric d on punctuality? It ll be hell for Tesla edit: i m talking about this https: imgur.com a 99EkU | Not enough details to draw any conclusions just yet. These endless discussions about range would probably not be so peristent if Elon (yet again) did not set unreasonable expectations early on by saying it was going to be a long haul semi...which it isn t really. | 38 | 11 | 1,646 |
74nswk | 237 | Growth of r TeslaMotors [Hi everybody!](https: i.imgur.com wfvVgra.png) **Preface:** The last 2 years of r TeslaMotors growth has been insane. Ludicrous actually. We ve seen growth eerily similar to the beginning of an S curve. In those two years we ve grown from 27 500 people up to now beyond 160 000. Compared to r SpaceX we ve been neck and neck for a bit. One thing that the mods here have noticed is that as the subscriber user base has grown there s been a shift of opinion and expectations. With this initial growth came testing of recurring weekly threads (for investor specific articles a Q& A Weekly Rule 4 (for vehicle spotting among other items)). It was our way of taking a large number of personal experience posts that did not provide news and was more so for personal enthusiasm. That is what r TeslaMotors is built on. It has always been a part of the culture. As we ve grown near 100 000 I started to mention that we re doing our best to keep it personal while also focusing on the business and product growth that Tesla has expanded into. And now it s become even harder to please everyone because everyone is different. That is a very high bar and I (u 110110) realize I ll never touch it but I strive for it. But before I joined as a mod I was always here to bring fun into the subreddit goofy as hell gif responded to everything helped where I could and would often be the first to nearly every thread. I wanted to bring fun and optimism for a brand and for products I was enthusiastic about as I know most of us are. I m personally optimistic and I give Tesla the benefit of the doubt in majority of cases because I know what they re up against I know an industry wants them to fail. I know they have so much more to do and set a high bar for themselves. They appear to want to do good which is a breath of fresh air when you look around at other companies but we realize Tesla is not perfect despite us wanting to admit that or discuss it. With this though it is important to realize Tesla is more than simply a brand it is a company with investors and promises behind them. Optimistic promises of course but in majority of cases they come through even if it takes a while. Probably not the best plan (to be too optimistic) but they are a hype machine it works and it buys them time. There is always a lot happening so there s not often a dull moment. Sorry — got off topic going to get to the point! **Thought 1:** r SpaceX has well informed discussions and (in my opinion) extreme moderation of commentary. We ve never wanted to go that route and we won t be. But the reason I bring up r SpaceX is that they have a less-strict area for their user-base r SpaceXLounge. If you didn t know we have one too (where memes can thrive and rules are relaxed). You still have to be nice and respectful. It s r TeslaLounge. I built it **7 months ago** but we never really advertised it as we weren t sure if we d ever go that route. It still needs some work and molding but it s quite identical to here except for some small nuances. **Thought 2:** One thing I discovered from my Reddit-browsing is r Apple s “Content Philosophy”. > Content which benefits the **community** (news rumors and discussions) is valued over content which benefits only the **individual** (technical questions help buying selling rants etc.). This fundamental difference in audience is why we support two communities r Apple and r AppleHelp. If you d like to view their content together [click here](https: www.reddit.com r Apple+AppleHelp). Notice how you can view both together through a basic link (a multi-reddit) or you can view each on their own. r TeslaMotors r TeslaLounge [Combined](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaMotors+TeslaLounge ) - It s not themed though. At least I don t know of a way. **My idea:** I (u 110110) wanted to ask what the community thought about utilizing r TeslaLounge for the items that benefit the individual similar to r Apple s Content philosophy (majority of the Experiences Weekly ) and the freedom without concern that something will be removed because it may violate a rule or is low-quality like memes a rant etc. r SpaceX has the lounge for that commentary freedom and r Apple uses theirs for user support. And given we want to provide a platform that benefits everyone I thought we could support a lounge that can off-load some of the weight and wishes from users to crack down on folks personal experiences. But what s nice is you would have the freedom to pick and choose which you prefer. Each on their own or together in a multi-reddit (I can make links). This way there is a location for informed discussion on the company (yes even negative posts) that supports all opinions and enthusiasm and then a location where folks can share their personal experiences and freedom of thought. **We of course know that the weekly threads aren t being used to their potential.** We don t know exactly how to get folks to use them but that s why we said we were trying things because people have questions **lots of questions** and people want to share their enthusiasm ([or circlejerk as others calls it](http: www.reactiongifs.us wp-content uploads 2013 06 dont_give_a_shit_morgan_freeman.gif)). But then it could be the place where folks can share memes too believe it or not some people actually like them. But I haven t fully fleshed out how this could be used if it wants to be used more and if we should adjust some things so that s why I ask you. **TL DR your thoughts?** What are your thoughts on the growth and direction of the sub to support the most people but maybe use a lounge? The ultimate reason for this is to ask the community what they wish for or would like so we can make the sub better for everyone so questions can flourish personal experience posts have their place and we can still have a spot for more serious discussion and a spot for less-serious discussion. Comment on your thoughts. Vote on the ones you agree with. **Will be leaving this post up for a few weeks and we ll let upvotes of comments dictate what topics or direction we will focus on. What would you like to see?** **Thanks I look forward to what you think and lets keep the comments on topic! :-D** | If you use the lounge for both helping the individual and the more casual conversation (spottings installations fanboy ing) you ll eventually run into the problem that valid questions get drowned in the sighting photo onslaught. I d use both. * If you need help with your Tesla car energy system solar app (or purchase decisions): r TeslaHelp * If you want to chat about spottings installed powerwalls simple things etc: r TeslaLounge * For company related news rumors tweets: r TeslaMotors | I agree with this approach. | 96 | 2 | 1,647 |
74nswk | 237 | Growth of r TeslaMotors [Hi everybody!](https: i.imgur.com wfvVgra.png) **Preface:** The last 2 years of r TeslaMotors growth has been insane. Ludicrous actually. We ve seen growth eerily similar to the beginning of an S curve. In those two years we ve grown from 27 500 people up to now beyond 160 000. Compared to r SpaceX we ve been neck and neck for a bit. One thing that the mods here have noticed is that as the subscriber user base has grown there s been a shift of opinion and expectations. With this initial growth came testing of recurring weekly threads (for investor specific articles a Q& A Weekly Rule 4 (for vehicle spotting among other items)). It was our way of taking a large number of personal experience posts that did not provide news and was more so for personal enthusiasm. That is what r TeslaMotors is built on. It has always been a part of the culture. As we ve grown near 100 000 I started to mention that we re doing our best to keep it personal while also focusing on the business and product growth that Tesla has expanded into. And now it s become even harder to please everyone because everyone is different. That is a very high bar and I (u 110110) realize I ll never touch it but I strive for it. But before I joined as a mod I was always here to bring fun into the subreddit goofy as hell gif responded to everything helped where I could and would often be the first to nearly every thread. I wanted to bring fun and optimism for a brand and for products I was enthusiastic about as I know most of us are. I m personally optimistic and I give Tesla the benefit of the doubt in majority of cases because I know what they re up against I know an industry wants them to fail. I know they have so much more to do and set a high bar for themselves. They appear to want to do good which is a breath of fresh air when you look around at other companies but we realize Tesla is not perfect despite us wanting to admit that or discuss it. With this though it is important to realize Tesla is more than simply a brand it is a company with investors and promises behind them. Optimistic promises of course but in majority of cases they come through even if it takes a while. Probably not the best plan (to be too optimistic) but they are a hype machine it works and it buys them time. There is always a lot happening so there s not often a dull moment. Sorry — got off topic going to get to the point! **Thought 1:** r SpaceX has well informed discussions and (in my opinion) extreme moderation of commentary. We ve never wanted to go that route and we won t be. But the reason I bring up r SpaceX is that they have a less-strict area for their user-base r SpaceXLounge. If you didn t know we have one too (where memes can thrive and rules are relaxed). You still have to be nice and respectful. It s r TeslaLounge. I built it **7 months ago** but we never really advertised it as we weren t sure if we d ever go that route. It still needs some work and molding but it s quite identical to here except for some small nuances. **Thought 2:** One thing I discovered from my Reddit-browsing is r Apple s “Content Philosophy”. > Content which benefits the **community** (news rumors and discussions) is valued over content which benefits only the **individual** (technical questions help buying selling rants etc.). This fundamental difference in audience is why we support two communities r Apple and r AppleHelp. If you d like to view their content together [click here](https: www.reddit.com r Apple+AppleHelp). Notice how you can view both together through a basic link (a multi-reddit) or you can view each on their own. r TeslaMotors r TeslaLounge [Combined](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaMotors+TeslaLounge ) - It s not themed though. At least I don t know of a way. **My idea:** I (u 110110) wanted to ask what the community thought about utilizing r TeslaLounge for the items that benefit the individual similar to r Apple s Content philosophy (majority of the Experiences Weekly ) and the freedom without concern that something will be removed because it may violate a rule or is low-quality like memes a rant etc. r SpaceX has the lounge for that commentary freedom and r Apple uses theirs for user support. And given we want to provide a platform that benefits everyone I thought we could support a lounge that can off-load some of the weight and wishes from users to crack down on folks personal experiences. But what s nice is you would have the freedom to pick and choose which you prefer. Each on their own or together in a multi-reddit (I can make links). This way there is a location for informed discussion on the company (yes even negative posts) that supports all opinions and enthusiasm and then a location where folks can share their personal experiences and freedom of thought. **We of course know that the weekly threads aren t being used to their potential.** We don t know exactly how to get folks to use them but that s why we said we were trying things because people have questions **lots of questions** and people want to share their enthusiasm ([or circlejerk as others calls it](http: www.reactiongifs.us wp-content uploads 2013 06 dont_give_a_shit_morgan_freeman.gif)). But then it could be the place where folks can share memes too believe it or not some people actually like them. But I haven t fully fleshed out how this could be used if it wants to be used more and if we should adjust some things so that s why I ask you. **TL DR your thoughts?** What are your thoughts on the growth and direction of the sub to support the most people but maybe use a lounge? The ultimate reason for this is to ask the community what they wish for or would like so we can make the sub better for everyone so questions can flourish personal experience posts have their place and we can still have a spot for more serious discussion and a spot for less-serious discussion. Comment on your thoughts. Vote on the ones you agree with. **Will be leaving this post up for a few weeks and we ll let upvotes of comments dictate what topics or direction we will focus on. What would you like to see?** **Thanks I look forward to what you think and lets keep the comments on topic! :-D** | If you use the lounge for both helping the individual and the more casual conversation (spottings installations fanboy ing) you ll eventually run into the problem that valid questions get drowned in the sighting photo onslaught. I d use both. * If you need help with your Tesla car energy system solar app (or purchase decisions): r TeslaHelp * If you want to chat about spottings installed powerwalls simple things etc: r TeslaLounge * For company related news rumors tweets: r TeslaMotors | Only thing I d add to this is that if people are doing the multi-reddit thing u cliffordcat started one. I don t remember what it was probably something like teslacircle jerk that people should be aware of as well. As a most-of-the-time investor (ahem currently not holding any shares) I like to see all the negative stories from the crap sources that get downvoted in r teslamotors. It always makes me sad when useful articles automatically get downvoted (probably on the theory they are crappy clickbait) even when they are useful just because they are critical of Tesla. Problem is that if that gets wrapped up in everyone s multi-reddit then the same problem will occur. Ditto for people say downvoting memes in teslalounge without realizing they re not in t teslamotors. No matter what the mods have put a lot of thought into it and I appreciate it. | 96 | 2 | 1,648 |
74nswk | 237 | Growth of r TeslaMotors [Hi everybody!](https: i.imgur.com wfvVgra.png) **Preface:** The last 2 years of r TeslaMotors growth has been insane. Ludicrous actually. We ve seen growth eerily similar to the beginning of an S curve. In those two years we ve grown from 27 500 people up to now beyond 160 000. Compared to r SpaceX we ve been neck and neck for a bit. One thing that the mods here have noticed is that as the subscriber user base has grown there s been a shift of opinion and expectations. With this initial growth came testing of recurring weekly threads (for investor specific articles a Q& A Weekly Rule 4 (for vehicle spotting among other items)). It was our way of taking a large number of personal experience posts that did not provide news and was more so for personal enthusiasm. That is what r TeslaMotors is built on. It has always been a part of the culture. As we ve grown near 100 000 I started to mention that we re doing our best to keep it personal while also focusing on the business and product growth that Tesla has expanded into. And now it s become even harder to please everyone because everyone is different. That is a very high bar and I (u 110110) realize I ll never touch it but I strive for it. But before I joined as a mod I was always here to bring fun into the subreddit goofy as hell gif responded to everything helped where I could and would often be the first to nearly every thread. I wanted to bring fun and optimism for a brand and for products I was enthusiastic about as I know most of us are. I m personally optimistic and I give Tesla the benefit of the doubt in majority of cases because I know what they re up against I know an industry wants them to fail. I know they have so much more to do and set a high bar for themselves. They appear to want to do good which is a breath of fresh air when you look around at other companies but we realize Tesla is not perfect despite us wanting to admit that or discuss it. With this though it is important to realize Tesla is more than simply a brand it is a company with investors and promises behind them. Optimistic promises of course but in majority of cases they come through even if it takes a while. Probably not the best plan (to be too optimistic) but they are a hype machine it works and it buys them time. There is always a lot happening so there s not often a dull moment. Sorry — got off topic going to get to the point! **Thought 1:** r SpaceX has well informed discussions and (in my opinion) extreme moderation of commentary. We ve never wanted to go that route and we won t be. But the reason I bring up r SpaceX is that they have a less-strict area for their user-base r SpaceXLounge. If you didn t know we have one too (where memes can thrive and rules are relaxed). You still have to be nice and respectful. It s r TeslaLounge. I built it **7 months ago** but we never really advertised it as we weren t sure if we d ever go that route. It still needs some work and molding but it s quite identical to here except for some small nuances. **Thought 2:** One thing I discovered from my Reddit-browsing is r Apple s “Content Philosophy”. > Content which benefits the **community** (news rumors and discussions) is valued over content which benefits only the **individual** (technical questions help buying selling rants etc.). This fundamental difference in audience is why we support two communities r Apple and r AppleHelp. If you d like to view their content together [click here](https: www.reddit.com r Apple+AppleHelp). Notice how you can view both together through a basic link (a multi-reddit) or you can view each on their own. r TeslaMotors r TeslaLounge [Combined](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaMotors+TeslaLounge ) - It s not themed though. At least I don t know of a way. **My idea:** I (u 110110) wanted to ask what the community thought about utilizing r TeslaLounge for the items that benefit the individual similar to r Apple s Content philosophy (majority of the Experiences Weekly ) and the freedom without concern that something will be removed because it may violate a rule or is low-quality like memes a rant etc. r SpaceX has the lounge for that commentary freedom and r Apple uses theirs for user support. And given we want to provide a platform that benefits everyone I thought we could support a lounge that can off-load some of the weight and wishes from users to crack down on folks personal experiences. But what s nice is you would have the freedom to pick and choose which you prefer. Each on their own or together in a multi-reddit (I can make links). This way there is a location for informed discussion on the company (yes even negative posts) that supports all opinions and enthusiasm and then a location where folks can share their personal experiences and freedom of thought. **We of course know that the weekly threads aren t being used to their potential.** We don t know exactly how to get folks to use them but that s why we said we were trying things because people have questions **lots of questions** and people want to share their enthusiasm ([or circlejerk as others calls it](http: www.reactiongifs.us wp-content uploads 2013 06 dont_give_a_shit_morgan_freeman.gif)). But then it could be the place where folks can share memes too believe it or not some people actually like them. But I haven t fully fleshed out how this could be used if it wants to be used more and if we should adjust some things so that s why I ask you. **TL DR your thoughts?** What are your thoughts on the growth and direction of the sub to support the most people but maybe use a lounge? The ultimate reason for this is to ask the community what they wish for or would like so we can make the sub better for everyone so questions can flourish personal experience posts have their place and we can still have a spot for more serious discussion and a spot for less-serious discussion. Comment on your thoughts. Vote on the ones you agree with. **Will be leaving this post up for a few weeks and we ll let upvotes of comments dictate what topics or direction we will focus on. What would you like to see?** **Thanks I look forward to what you think and lets keep the comments on topic! :-D** | If you use the lounge for both helping the individual and the more casual conversation (spottings installations fanboy ing) you ll eventually run into the problem that valid questions get drowned in the sighting photo onslaught. I d use both. * If you need help with your Tesla car energy system solar app (or purchase decisions): r TeslaHelp * If you want to chat about spottings installed powerwalls simple things etc: r TeslaLounge * For company related news rumors tweets: r TeslaMotors | Yup I agree. The popularity of this sub has been a double edged sword with a lot of silly and trivial posts. Quality content is almost synonymous with “benefit to the community” as you have stated. | 96 | 2 | 1,649 |
75dx3h | 38 | Will you be ordering Model 3 without viewing in person? As we get closer to non-employee owner deliveries I m thinking first production buyers will not have an opportunity to see or test drive it prior to purchase (apologies if this is already established fact I missed it if so.) I had somewhat believed the Release Candidates would go to Tesla stores in the US and reservation holders would be invited to check it out but as time wears on I believe that less and less. In order to expedite my move from “tiny car that crushes like a pop can” to “still small car that s at least more safe” I think I am willing to forego test driving and viewing. (Yeah yeah I know I ve said 20 times I m getting a CPO S rather than wait. I ve never been this indecisive before but for now I m leaning toward Model 3 even if the wait extends beyond January.) Will you be willing to order a $49 000+ car without a test drive or even seeing it and am I crazy stupid irresponsible? | Yes because at this point I ve talked about it so much I can t back down now! | Yes I am willing to order it without seeing one in person. but as my order time is late 2018 I am sure I will see one before then. I have ordered vehicles from the factory before so buying one without a test drive doesn t bother me. | 29 | 3 | 1,650 |
75dx3h | 38 | Will you be ordering Model 3 without viewing in person? As we get closer to non-employee owner deliveries I m thinking first production buyers will not have an opportunity to see or test drive it prior to purchase (apologies if this is already established fact I missed it if so.) I had somewhat believed the Release Candidates would go to Tesla stores in the US and reservation holders would be invited to check it out but as time wears on I believe that less and less. In order to expedite my move from “tiny car that crushes like a pop can” to “still small car that s at least more safe” I think I am willing to forego test driving and viewing. (Yeah yeah I know I ve said 20 times I m getting a CPO S rather than wait. I ve never been this indecisive before but for now I m leaning toward Model 3 even if the wait extends beyond January.) Will you be willing to order a $49 000+ car without a test drive or even seeing it and am I crazy stupid irresponsible? | Yes because at this point I ve talked about it so much I can t back down now! | I wouldn t order without a test drive. I can wait for a bit but if it pushed past the point of getting a full tac credit I d just bow out entirely. | 29 | 3 | 1,651 |
75k0wk | 252 | I ll genuinely be surprised if Tesla DOESN T unveil the Tesla semi by towing a SpaceX rocket on a trailer. Currently we see SpaceX rocket sections on the backs of diesel semis. How cool would it be to see Tesla pull up with one on the bed of a trailer? What a spectacular display that would be and one that must have been discussed at least once already. | I d only be semi-surprised | It would be awesome but I doubt it will be the case. Looking at pictures of the semi that does pull the Falcon 9 it has 4 axles. The semi in the picture leaked the other day only has 3 axles. I don t know how important that would be but its my 2¢. | 273 | 18 | 1,652 |
75k0wk | 252 | I ll genuinely be surprised if Tesla DOESN T unveil the Tesla semi by towing a SpaceX rocket on a trailer. Currently we see SpaceX rocket sections on the backs of diesel semis. How cool would it be to see Tesla pull up with one on the bed of a trailer? What a spectacular display that would be and one that must have been discussed at least once already. | Delay was not because Semi is late but because Falcon Heavy is late. Semi will be unveiled pulling 3 first stages at the same time. | It would be awesome but I doubt it will be the case. Looking at pictures of the semi that does pull the Falcon 9 it has 4 axles. The semi in the picture leaked the other day only has 3 axles. I don t know how important that would be but its my 2¢. | 87 | 18 | 1,653 |
75k0wk | 252 | I ll genuinely be surprised if Tesla DOESN T unveil the Tesla semi by towing a SpaceX rocket on a trailer. Currently we see SpaceX rocket sections on the backs of diesel semis. How cool would it be to see Tesla pull up with one on the bed of a trailer? What a spectacular display that would be and one that must have been discussed at least once already. | I d settle for them loaded up with Model 3 s ready for delivery. | It would be cool but less directly relatable to typical drivers and fleet managers. I think there s plenty of opportunity for a Musk Universe cross-over at future events to drum up interest. That would also be a very expensive stunt. Seems like you wouldn t want to show off maneuverability with a sensitive load like a rocket booster. | 54 | 12 | 1,654 |
75khmg | 31 | Model X on $100k salary? Hey everyone I ve found a gently used MX in my area and I m wondering if it makes sense to buy... Typical used 90D price. Background... I m 27 patent attorney and have been dreaming of getting a Tesla since the roadster came out my senior year of high school. As the title says I make $100k yr have $85k in investments max out my 401k (traditional) every year (plus my employer matches 6%) and save 20% of each check in addition to that. Also plan on maxing out a ROTH starting this year. All in all between my 401k and bank account I have almost the same saved as my investments... Net worth nearly $150k total. I have a 2014 Jeep I would trade in and then make a down payment to get to where I m financing $30k over 5 years. Payments would be around $500. This payment would not reduce the amount I save either in my 401k or the amount I save from each check. I m wondering if this sounds crazy to everyone here and if there s anyone here in a similar position who did the same? Do you regret it? Thanks in advance everyone! | Financially a Tesla will never make sense. You can buy a used Jeep and $30k worth of gas and drive it until the wheels fall off and still pay less than what you d spend on a Tesla. If you really want the car and can afford the sacrifice buy it. What I would recommend doing is opening a savings account and dumping into it what you will be spending on the X (insurance payments etc). Keep it up for a few months and see how you feel. I did that for a Model S. On paper I could afford it but I ended up having to dip into that account a few times. Certainly felt better doing that than being in debt. That experience helped me settle on waiting for a 3. | Only you can answer that but I wouldn t. | 87 | 14 | 1,655 |
75klx3 | 60 | I m Happy the Model 3 Isn t Here It s simple. If Tesla rushed it it d be shit. I m glad Tesla is taking the time to iron out all of the issues to make sure it s a good car (at least before releasing it to non-employee customers). Usually it takes a lot of effort to delay a car. That s because with every project (big or small) there is a constant drone of bean counters going We re losing X amount of dollars every day blah blah blah. It takes real leadership for someone to say We won t release it until it is finished. Sometimes the bean counters come in the form of banks. Sometimes they are board of directors. In the case of most traditional car manufacturers they re the whole goddamn executive team. Anyway that s my thoughts. If we make it to Q1-Q2 2018 and nobody (outside Tesla) has a Model 3 then I d think we d have a serious problem. Until then... patience. It s better to wait than to get a lemon. Just my thoughts. | Why can t we wish it was already here and had the bugs ironed out? | Yeah the delay doesn t worry me. I rather they be a few months late and get me a good car! | 82 | 8 | 1,656 |
75prl6 | 436 | Tesla said would build 257 superchargers in the USA in Q3-Q4 2017. They ve built 47 so far. Tesla has been completing a supercharger every other day in the USA over the last few months. That s pretty cool. However as with most things Tesla their communicated expectation to the customer is much higher. I scraped the USA Tesla Supercharger site on 10 10 17: * 416 Open superchargers * 210 listed as having a target date of 2017 * 272 listed as having a target date of 2018 Between July 1st and October 10th they built 47 or one every other day. They are advertising that they will build 210 in the next 82 days requiring them to increase the rate by 6X. On top of that supercharge.info only knows of 48 which are in construction or permit. So of the 210 162 haven t started at all with 82 days to go in the year. Over the year they have built 80. So if you average this year they need to build at 9X the current rate in order to hit the 2018 target and I don t think there s any evidence to show this happening. It took them 1800 days to build the first 400. Just another place where Tesla s marketing and hype doesn t line up with reality. [Raw Data](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d e 2PACX-1vQzF3BTbTpYQduhmKuDykTm190ia8RRSDuRkaRz1ahvS69LxkxSKdFIqrkl4Jh9yXgmkoIa9lYxaiHy pubhtml?gid=0& single=true) EDIT: The downvotes on this are fantastic. The hundredth picture of a Model 3 gets hundreds of upvotes but people don t think discussing things like this add to the discussion of Tesla the company? | To play devil s advocate... could they have been referring to 257 total individual Superchargers? Seeing as how each station is has more than (257 47 = ~5-6) Superchargers they could technically be on track... I could be totally wrong though in which case I ll delete my comment. | Doesn t this happen every year? They make good progress increase things right at the end but ultimately fall short? | 115 | 8 | 1,657 |
75prl6 | 436 | Tesla said would build 257 superchargers in the USA in Q3-Q4 2017. They ve built 47 so far. Tesla has been completing a supercharger every other day in the USA over the last few months. That s pretty cool. However as with most things Tesla their communicated expectation to the customer is much higher. I scraped the USA Tesla Supercharger site on 10 10 17: * 416 Open superchargers * 210 listed as having a target date of 2017 * 272 listed as having a target date of 2018 Between July 1st and October 10th they built 47 or one every other day. They are advertising that they will build 210 in the next 82 days requiring them to increase the rate by 6X. On top of that supercharge.info only knows of 48 which are in construction or permit. So of the 210 162 haven t started at all with 82 days to go in the year. Over the year they have built 80. So if you average this year they need to build at 9X the current rate in order to hit the 2018 target and I don t think there s any evidence to show this happening. It took them 1800 days to build the first 400. Just another place where Tesla s marketing and hype doesn t line up with reality. [Raw Data](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d e 2PACX-1vQzF3BTbTpYQduhmKuDykTm190ia8RRSDuRkaRz1ahvS69LxkxSKdFIqrkl4Jh9yXgmkoIa9lYxaiHy pubhtml?gid=0& single=true) EDIT: The downvotes on this are fantastic. The hundredth picture of a Model 3 gets hundreds of upvotes but people don t think discussing things like this add to the discussion of Tesla the company? | To play devil s advocate... could they have been referring to 257 total individual Superchargers? Seeing as how each station is has more than (257 47 = ~5-6) Superchargers they could technically be on track... I could be totally wrong though in which case I ll delete my comment. | Heads up - you should probably cite the original claim for reference. The 257 in Q3-Q4 2017 Edit: One other question - in going through your list - a lot of the 2017 due builds are pre-existing (I noticed Dublin CA and Mountain View initially) - presumably scheduled for expansion as per the blog post you posted elsewhere. Do your stats account for expansion vs new builds? Do we have much of a way to gauge that? I would assume we re reliant on 3rd party updates or Tesla just updating their stall counts. | 115 | 19 | 1,658 |
75prl6 | 436 | Tesla said would build 257 superchargers in the USA in Q3-Q4 2017. They ve built 47 so far. Tesla has been completing a supercharger every other day in the USA over the last few months. That s pretty cool. However as with most things Tesla their communicated expectation to the customer is much higher. I scraped the USA Tesla Supercharger site on 10 10 17: * 416 Open superchargers * 210 listed as having a target date of 2017 * 272 listed as having a target date of 2018 Between July 1st and October 10th they built 47 or one every other day. They are advertising that they will build 210 in the next 82 days requiring them to increase the rate by 6X. On top of that supercharge.info only knows of 48 which are in construction or permit. So of the 210 162 haven t started at all with 82 days to go in the year. Over the year they have built 80. So if you average this year they need to build at 9X the current rate in order to hit the 2018 target and I don t think there s any evidence to show this happening. It took them 1800 days to build the first 400. Just another place where Tesla s marketing and hype doesn t line up with reality. [Raw Data](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d e 2PACX-1vQzF3BTbTpYQduhmKuDykTm190ia8RRSDuRkaRz1ahvS69LxkxSKdFIqrkl4Jh9yXgmkoIa9lYxaiHy pubhtml?gid=0& single=true) EDIT: The downvotes on this are fantastic. The hundredth picture of a Model 3 gets hundreds of upvotes but people don t think discussing things like this add to the discussion of Tesla the company? | You re totally right but I d wager most the down-votes were tied to the Just another place where Tesla s marketing and hype doesn t line up with reality line. Makes it seem like you ve got a bone to pick with Tesla and are trying to force a (negative) opinion of Tesla on readers. Instead of that line you should have said something like This is the 4th year in a row Tesla will fall short of their end-of-year predictions . It gets the point across with a fact instead of an ambiguous statement about how you think they over-hype everything (not that you re wrong). | Tesla said Supercharger in Salinas CA by end of 2017. It s nearly complete. At least for me this makes me happy and they are delivering so far for me. However I understand the distrust that some could have over their moves but no other company invests in EV infrastructure like Tesla does so we are inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. I have faith currently. | 54 | 3 | 1,659 |
76kwo4 | 239 | PSA: It s been 18 weeks since Tesla added a feature to AP2. Tesla announced AP2 to the public with the FSD demo video 361 days ago and has been shipping hardware in cars for over a year. Last AP2 feature was perpendicular parking on June 11th. In just 10 days they will have gone longer with no updates than the time they went between the first AP2 feature and the last. Missing AP1 features: * Rain sensing wipers * Reading speed limit signs * Identifying different vehicle types on instrument cluster EAP features expected in December 2016: * Automated lane change on highway * Auto highway exit * Highway to highway transitions * Better steering than AP1 on tight roads * Smart summon | Yup. I love this company but this is terrible and anyone that paid for FSD should be refunded with an apology. | Its ok tho cause they made a feature where you can leave the air con on for longer. s The fact that teslas have over the air updates is amazing - however it does seem like they are using their owners trust that a feature will be implemented in the near future as a way for selling cars more expensively now - rain sensing wipers is an absolute standard feature and the decision to remove them in lieu of software was a outrageous. A decision like that speaks volumes for the disparity of the confidence of their engineering department compared to their actual capability. How is FSD even gonna work if they can t detect road conditions? | 112 | 52 | 1,660 |
76kwo4 | 239 | PSA: It s been 18 weeks since Tesla added a feature to AP2. Tesla announced AP2 to the public with the FSD demo video 361 days ago and has been shipping hardware in cars for over a year. Last AP2 feature was perpendicular parking on June 11th. In just 10 days they will have gone longer with no updates than the time they went between the first AP2 feature and the last. Missing AP1 features: * Rain sensing wipers * Reading speed limit signs * Identifying different vehicle types on instrument cluster EAP features expected in December 2016: * Automated lane change on highway * Auto highway exit * Highway to highway transitions * Better steering than AP1 on tight roads * Smart summon | I put this on Musk from what I can observe externally. First it appears that Musk makes these estimates of delivery dates based on a shallow understanding of the technology and the realities of software development. It makes more sense that the dates are purely for marketing reasons. Second Musk seems to hire high visibility wiz-bang people to head autopilot development. These guys might have some great skills but I think they are generally not good in a leadership role. What he needs is a seasoned manager who has dealt with delivering complex embedded systems to the real world. This could be someone from wireless comms industrial control aviation etc. It would be a person who understands technology enough to cut through the BS and focuses on results. But such a person would end up having to tell Elon some home truths and probably wouldn t last long - it would be like this video but with the opposite ending... https: youtu.be vWCGs27_xPI?t=28 s hire fire | I would guess that the Semi Event will show off new Autopilot features to be delivered by the end of the year. | 46 | 3 | 1,661 |
76kwo4 | 239 | PSA: It s been 18 weeks since Tesla added a feature to AP2. Tesla announced AP2 to the public with the FSD demo video 361 days ago and has been shipping hardware in cars for over a year. Last AP2 feature was perpendicular parking on June 11th. In just 10 days they will have gone longer with no updates than the time they went between the first AP2 feature and the last. Missing AP1 features: * Rain sensing wipers * Reading speed limit signs * Identifying different vehicle types on instrument cluster EAP features expected in December 2016: * Automated lane change on highway * Auto highway exit * Highway to highway transitions * Better steering than AP1 on tight roads * Smart summon | I can t say that I m surprised. For a long time my guess has been that 2028 will be a reasonable date for fairly robust full self driving tech that can handle most roads in the US and most weather conditions etc. Back in late 2015 (?) or 2016 (?) when Elon started saying that his estimates for full self driving kept dropping and were currently at 3 years but possibly 2 I started to get nervous. I m a software engineer that has worked on challenging problems where getting to 99% is easy and 99.9% is hard and 99.99% is really really really hard and 99.999% seems impossible. Has Elon worked on those kinds of problems? The fact that he hired and then let go the guy beyond LLVM was another worrying sign to me. What I imagined in my head was this guys saying Elon you ve been building this tech stack so aggressively it s starting to get wobbly. You need to do some serious refactoring etc. Elon might have pushed back because he knew how much hot water he was already in wrt his over promises. If that s true it s kind of sad because one of my favorite things about Elon has been that he seems to be a super aggressive long term optimizer. But I m speculating heavily there. Another reason I m not surprised is because of Model 3. In big companies where the CEO likes to do a lot of design (read: micro-managing-ish) it s not hard to imagine that progress in one area of the company can be affected if the CEO s attention is absorbed by other critical areas. Given that the whole company pretty much is hinging on the success of Model 3 and given how super super aggressive he was (and still is being) about the timelines for the Model 3 I suspect that pressure has drained a lot of Elon s cycles this past year and a half. And as he says they re still in hell trying to climb out of that. And of course he s not just getting absorbed by Model 3 stuff he s running SpaceX he s now running what used to be SolarCity and if that wasn t enough there s new Boring stuff neural link stuff etc etc etc. Add that all up. Are we surprised that Autopilot has been stuck in the mud wrt his over promises in 2015 and 2016? No no we re not. | I would guess that the Semi Event will show off new Autopilot features to be delivered by the end of the year. | 46 | 3 | 1,662 |
774sj7 | 38 | An apology As time goes on I feel really embarrassed for a post I made last week. It definitely wasn t warranted and not representative of my attempts to make meaningful contributions to this subreddit. I ve been an advocate of Tesla of AP2 and a two-time repeat customer over a short period of time. But last week I guess my patience snapped and emotions got the better of me. I started connecting dots that didn t exist and came up with a nonsense and disrespectful conspiracy theory. For that I m truly sorry. I truly do look forward to future software updates and hearing about what s coming down the pipeline. I need to figure out how to better contain my anticipation and excitement without lashing out at those bearing news. | As an official ambassador of r teslamotors I hereby accept your apology and would also like to say that you are being entirely too hard on yourself. We still love you. | Well that is something new. I respect self criticism and thanks fot the honest words. No worries we all suffer from emotions from time to time :D | 47 | 14 | 1,663 |
774we4 | 222 | Help please Type 2 charging cable theft. But how??? Mystery. Last night I had my type 2 cable stolen from a public charge point in Manchester centre (UK) I was also issued with a £70 fine for using a electric parking space without charging. Here s the weird bit: I was charging until 21:07.17 at which point I was notified my charging was interrupted. I have the charge logs from the supplier (ChargeYourCar) to authenticate this time. The ticket for parking without charging was issued at 21:09. This means that the parking attendant wrote down my details (reg model colour) within 100 seconds of my cable being stolen charging stopping. I ve reported the theft to the police but they say they re unable to do anything. I m going to go down later and see if anywhere has captured those 100 seconds on CCTV. How is this possible? I was a 20 minutes walk away from the car at the time of the theft. I thought that once a charge was started both ends of the cable were locked. The charge started at 17:41 and continued with no problems until the cable was stolen at 21:07. Could someone use a clone of a supercharger button (I know they unlock open charge ports on every Tesla) to unlock and steal the cable? The cable was about £250 I think. The time between the cable theft and me receiving a ticket sees suspiciously short (100 seconds) could the parking attendant be responsible? Did they tip off a friend to come and steal it? The police mentioned it had happened a few times recently. The firm issuing the ticket was Indigo Parking on behalf of Salford City Council. | The obvious answer is that the ticketing officer stole the cable. | At the very least you ll be able to appeal the parking fine and get it overturned. As for the theft no idea! | 154 | 6 | 1,664 |
774we4 | 222 | Help please Type 2 charging cable theft. But how??? Mystery. Last night I had my type 2 cable stolen from a public charge point in Manchester centre (UK) I was also issued with a £70 fine for using a electric parking space without charging. Here s the weird bit: I was charging until 21:07.17 at which point I was notified my charging was interrupted. I have the charge logs from the supplier (ChargeYourCar) to authenticate this time. The ticket for parking without charging was issued at 21:09. This means that the parking attendant wrote down my details (reg model colour) within 100 seconds of my cable being stolen charging stopping. I ve reported the theft to the police but they say they re unable to do anything. I m going to go down later and see if anywhere has captured those 100 seconds on CCTV. How is this possible? I was a 20 minutes walk away from the car at the time of the theft. I thought that once a charge was started both ends of the cable were locked. The charge started at 17:41 and continued with no problems until the cable was stolen at 21:07. Could someone use a clone of a supercharger button (I know they unlock open charge ports on every Tesla) to unlock and steal the cable? The cable was about £250 I think. The time between the cable theft and me receiving a ticket sees suspiciously short (100 seconds) could the parking attendant be responsible? Did they tip off a friend to come and steal it? The police mentioned it had happened a few times recently. The firm issuing the ticket was Indigo Parking on behalf of Salford City Council. | The obvious answer is that the ticketing officer stole the cable. | I am sorry you are in this situation. But I am pleased to know there are places where it is ilegal to park in a charging point when you are not charging. But the whole thing is very suspicious. Good luck. | 154 | 27 | 1,665 |
774we4 | 222 | Help please Type 2 charging cable theft. But how??? Mystery. Last night I had my type 2 cable stolen from a public charge point in Manchester centre (UK) I was also issued with a £70 fine for using a electric parking space without charging. Here s the weird bit: I was charging until 21:07.17 at which point I was notified my charging was interrupted. I have the charge logs from the supplier (ChargeYourCar) to authenticate this time. The ticket for parking without charging was issued at 21:09. This means that the parking attendant wrote down my details (reg model colour) within 100 seconds of my cable being stolen charging stopping. I ve reported the theft to the police but they say they re unable to do anything. I m going to go down later and see if anywhere has captured those 100 seconds on CCTV. How is this possible? I was a 20 minutes walk away from the car at the time of the theft. I thought that once a charge was started both ends of the cable were locked. The charge started at 17:41 and continued with no problems until the cable was stolen at 21:07. Could someone use a clone of a supercharger button (I know they unlock open charge ports on every Tesla) to unlock and steal the cable? The cable was about £250 I think. The time between the cable theft and me receiving a ticket sees suspiciously short (100 seconds) could the parking attendant be responsible? Did they tip off a friend to come and steal it? The police mentioned it had happened a few times recently. The firm issuing the ticket was Indigo Parking on behalf of Salford City Council. | The obvious answer is that the ticketing officer stole the cable. | TLDR Time car stopped charging and cable was stolen: 21:07(17sec) Time ticket for parking while not charging was issued: 21:09 So in 100 seconds • The charging was stopped • The cable was stolen • Car details were taken (reg colour model) • The ticket was printed. How do they stop a charge and steal a cable? | 154 | 39 | 1,666 |
7791s3 | 136 | I ve started to forget to turn off my other cars There s nothing to do in my Model S to turn it off. Just get out and walk away. I love it. Today my wife took the Model S so I drove our other car. I didn t forget to lock it but I left it on for hours. Anyone else now have issues locking or turning off the other vehicles you drive? | SO MUCH THIS! Every time I travel and I have a rental I leave that bastard unlocked and running all the time... This past weekend I sat down in a restaurant and ate an entire meal with the rental unlocked and running in the parking lot. I could just see the local newspaper article: Spoiled out of town dumbass gets rental stolen tries to use I drive a Tesla as excuse | did that with my 500e shortly after getting my s. ended up leaving the keys in the ignition and the car running all night long. oops. | 93 | 2 | 1,667 |
7791s3 | 136 | I ve started to forget to turn off my other cars There s nothing to do in my Model S to turn it off. Just get out and walk away. I love it. Today my wife took the Model S so I drove our other car. I didn t forget to lock it but I left it on for hours. Anyone else now have issues locking or turning off the other vehicles you drive? | SO MUCH THIS! Every time I travel and I have a rental I leave that bastard unlocked and running all the time... This past weekend I sat down in a restaurant and ate an entire meal with the rental unlocked and running in the parking lot. I could just see the local newspaper article: Spoiled out of town dumbass gets rental stolen tries to use I drive a Tesla as excuse | I rented a Model X on Turo for a weekend a while ago while travelling when I got home behind the wheels of my cheap old ICE car we went to the movie theatre parked and started walking away -- luckily my girlfriend decided she wanted to put her purse in the trunk because I had left the keys in the ignition with the car running and unlocked. It wasn t until i reached into my pocket to click the trunk button on the key fob (that wasn t in my pocket) that I realised what I had done. | 93 | 3 | 1,668 |
7791s3 | 136 | I ve started to forget to turn off my other cars There s nothing to do in my Model S to turn it off. Just get out and walk away. I love it. Today my wife took the Model S so I drove our other car. I didn t forget to lock it but I left it on for hours. Anyone else now have issues locking or turning off the other vehicles you drive? | SO MUCH THIS! Every time I travel and I have a rental I leave that bastard unlocked and running all the time... This past weekend I sat down in a restaurant and ate an entire meal with the rental unlocked and running in the parking lot. I could just see the local newspaper article: Spoiled out of town dumbass gets rental stolen tries to use I drive a Tesla as excuse | I did the same thing. I recently rented a BMW X5 while traveling in another state. The X5 has a key fob similar to Model S that locks unlocks the doors when you approach. Because it felt similar enough (and the car is pretty quiet) I got out and left only to realize 15 minutes later that I left the car on. That being said I couldn t wait to get back to my Model S. A fully loaded 2016 BMW X5 felt very unresponsive and dated compared to Model S... | 93 | 17 | 1,669 |
77igek | 78 | EAP 1st feature release Potential release of auto lane change? [EAP 1st feature](https: twitter.com Model3Owners status 921132995871834112) Let s keep everyone posted here. I don t have the latest firmware so can t confirm. I figured it d be nice to have a single thread for everyone to report their experiences. Most likely a limited rollout right now but maybe it ll ramp up quickly. Edit: [Another report](https: twitter.com Model3Owners status 921351589817860101) | Look s like auto-wipers are an FSD feature. | I would have expected automatic wipers to hit before full auto lane change. Wonder why that s such a tough feature for them to implement. | 93 | 10 | 1,670 |
77u7wj | 47 | Auto Emergency Braking - should it be a secret? I was in the fast lane going across Dumbarton bridge. I was keeping up with my lane traffic and passing slower vehicles. I was VERY closely followed by a new Mercedes. As luck would have it I wound up next to him at the stoplight near the 880 overpass. I rolled down my window and he did also. I said you were uncomfortably close back there . He said get used to it Mercedes has Automatic Emergency Braking and rolled up his window. | If someone wants to tailgate you even if you re going over the limit just jump to the right lane and let them pass. Don t try to teach anyone a lesson just let em pass. Then hop back over. | At some time Mercedes will get their act together and disallow this kind of driving. | 90 | 3 | 1,671 |
77u7wj | 47 | Auto Emergency Braking - should it be a secret? I was in the fast lane going across Dumbarton bridge. I was keeping up with my lane traffic and passing slower vehicles. I was VERY closely followed by a new Mercedes. As luck would have it I wound up next to him at the stoplight near the 880 overpass. I rolled down my window and he did also. I said you were uncomfortably close back there . He said get used to it Mercedes has Automatic Emergency Braking and rolled up his window. | If someone wants to tailgate you even if you re going over the limit just jump to the right lane and let them pass. Don t try to teach anyone a lesson just let em pass. Then hop back over. | I show my love for tailgaters by turning on the sprayers. | 90 | 19 | 1,672 |
77u7wj | 47 | Auto Emergency Braking - should it be a secret? I was in the fast lane going across Dumbarton bridge. I was keeping up with my lane traffic and passing slower vehicles. I was VERY closely followed by a new Mercedes. As luck would have it I wound up next to him at the stoplight near the 880 overpass. I rolled down my window and he did also. I said you were uncomfortably close back there . He said get used to it Mercedes has Automatic Emergency Braking and rolled up his window. | If someone wants to tailgate you even if you re going over the limit just jump to the right lane and let them pass. Don t try to teach anyone a lesson just let em pass. Then hop back over. | Tailgaters suck but it s life. Just rest easy knowing that there are VERY few circumstances where someone who rear ends somebody isn t at fault (limited almost exclusively to swerving in front of someone and braking before they can adjust their following distance) and his insurance company will pay not yours. Get front and rear dash cams for good measure. | 90 | 30 | 1,673 |
789asa | 79 | My first Tesla camping experience Disclaimer: Not an electrical engineer so some of these terms may be off. This weekend I went camping with the family and our new S75D was the cornerstone of the trip. Before I bought the car I saw [this picture](http: i.imgur.com HiaCfA8.jpg) online and I immediately knew I wanted to try it out. We booked a campsite with a 30 amp hookup about 26 miles from a supercharger. We arrived at camp with just shy of 200 miles of range left. [Here s what our setup looked like](https: i.imgur.com gI2cgyf.jpg). I pulled out my mobile connector fitted the 14-50 end on it [added a TT-30 converter I had bought onto that](https: i.imgur.com JDG5led.jpg) and plugged in. Nothing. No lights... no charging. I switched to the 110 outlet instead and got green lights. Charging started and a few seconds later the breaker popped. I reset the breaker and reduced the charging amperage inside the car down to 5 amp. Still popped. So I spent the night a bit worried about using too much power but otherwise it worked out nicely. The twin bed in the car was toasty warm and the tent was warmer than the outside air (though still a bit chilly). I googled what the issue with the TT-30 adapter could be and there seemed to be some mention that they are wired for RVs and not EVs. Maybe someone can help me understand that. Here s a rough log of my usage based on my notes in case anyone is wondering what kind of usage I saw. As the temperature dropped throughout the night I bumped up the settings to try and compensate. Time | Range Left | Car Temp Setting | Fan Speed Set| Outside Temp ---|---|----|----|---- 11PM | 192 miles | 72 | 1 | 58 3AM | 174 miles | 76 | 2 | 53 8AM | 149 miles | 78 | 3 | 50 Edit 1: One thing I would like is the ability to set the fan speed and seat heaters from the app. When I woke up I would crawl forward and push on the driver seat to activate the screen to set the fan speed. Temp could be adjusted through the app though. | TT-30 is a 120V outlet. There is a live connector at 120V a neutral connector at 0V and a ground. A 14-50 is a 240V outlet. There is L1 at +120V L2 at -120V neutral at 0V and a ground. Most RVs don t actually have any 240v circuits despite using a NEMA 14-50. Instead they have two separate 120V circuits -- one that gets 120V from L1 and neutral and one that gets 120V from neutral and L2. That adapter simply connects both L1 and L2 to the live connector on the TT-30 so each of the two circuits would still get 120V. The Tesla UMC on the other hand wants to run off 240V if possible. Normally when plugged into a real 14-50 connector it would get that 240V from the 240V difference between L1 and L2. The neutral pin is unused. When you tried to use your RV adapter with the UMC L1 and L2 are connected to the exact same pin on the TT-30 so the voltage difference between them is 0V and the UMC won t work. Instead you needed to have a special Tesla-only adapter which connects live to L1 and neutral to L2. You won t find this adapter in most stores as could potentially damage the electrical system of an RV if it were used with it. You can buy a Tesla-only adapter a few places online or [make one yourself](http: cosmacelf.net Home%20Made%20Adapters.pdf) | Assume you dialed down to 24 Amps when using TT-30? In a situation like I bring a small ceramic heater cube. It is guaranteed to work on 110 more than powerful enough to heat tent + car and does not drain car battery. In a perfect world you may even be able to charge car overnight on TT-30 and run heater on regular outlet without tripping circuit! | 39 | 2 | 1,674 |
789asa | 79 | My first Tesla camping experience Disclaimer: Not an electrical engineer so some of these terms may be off. This weekend I went camping with the family and our new S75D was the cornerstone of the trip. Before I bought the car I saw [this picture](http: i.imgur.com HiaCfA8.jpg) online and I immediately knew I wanted to try it out. We booked a campsite with a 30 amp hookup about 26 miles from a supercharger. We arrived at camp with just shy of 200 miles of range left. [Here s what our setup looked like](https: i.imgur.com gI2cgyf.jpg). I pulled out my mobile connector fitted the 14-50 end on it [added a TT-30 converter I had bought onto that](https: i.imgur.com JDG5led.jpg) and plugged in. Nothing. No lights... no charging. I switched to the 110 outlet instead and got green lights. Charging started and a few seconds later the breaker popped. I reset the breaker and reduced the charging amperage inside the car down to 5 amp. Still popped. So I spent the night a bit worried about using too much power but otherwise it worked out nicely. The twin bed in the car was toasty warm and the tent was warmer than the outside air (though still a bit chilly). I googled what the issue with the TT-30 adapter could be and there seemed to be some mention that they are wired for RVs and not EVs. Maybe someone can help me understand that. Here s a rough log of my usage based on my notes in case anyone is wondering what kind of usage I saw. As the temperature dropped throughout the night I bumped up the settings to try and compensate. Time | Range Left | Car Temp Setting | Fan Speed Set| Outside Temp ---|---|----|----|---- 11PM | 192 miles | 72 | 1 | 58 3AM | 174 miles | 76 | 2 | 53 8AM | 149 miles | 78 | 3 | 50 Edit 1: One thing I would like is the ability to set the fan speed and seat heaters from the app. When I woke up I would crawl forward and push on the driver seat to activate the screen to set the fan speed. Temp could be adjusted through the app though. | TT-30 is a 120V outlet. There is a live connector at 120V a neutral connector at 0V and a ground. A 14-50 is a 240V outlet. There is L1 at +120V L2 at -120V neutral at 0V and a ground. Most RVs don t actually have any 240v circuits despite using a NEMA 14-50. Instead they have two separate 120V circuits -- one that gets 120V from L1 and neutral and one that gets 120V from neutral and L2. That adapter simply connects both L1 and L2 to the live connector on the TT-30 so each of the two circuits would still get 120V. The Tesla UMC on the other hand wants to run off 240V if possible. Normally when plugged into a real 14-50 connector it would get that 240V from the 240V difference between L1 and L2. The neutral pin is unused. When you tried to use your RV adapter with the UMC L1 and L2 are connected to the exact same pin on the TT-30 so the voltage difference between them is 0V and the UMC won t work. Instead you needed to have a special Tesla-only adapter which connects live to L1 and neutral to L2. You won t find this adapter in most stores as could potentially damage the electrical system of an RV if it were used with it. You can buy a Tesla-only adapter a few places online or [make one yourself](http: cosmacelf.net Home%20Made%20Adapters.pdf) | Thanks for posting! I go back and forth on if I would use camping mode on a tesla. I m more concerned by the 110 volt plug not working....that seems bizarre.... | 39 | 4 | 1,675 |
789asa | 79 | My first Tesla camping experience Disclaimer: Not an electrical engineer so some of these terms may be off. This weekend I went camping with the family and our new S75D was the cornerstone of the trip. Before I bought the car I saw [this picture](http: i.imgur.com HiaCfA8.jpg) online and I immediately knew I wanted to try it out. We booked a campsite with a 30 amp hookup about 26 miles from a supercharger. We arrived at camp with just shy of 200 miles of range left. [Here s what our setup looked like](https: i.imgur.com gI2cgyf.jpg). I pulled out my mobile connector fitted the 14-50 end on it [added a TT-30 converter I had bought onto that](https: i.imgur.com JDG5led.jpg) and plugged in. Nothing. No lights... no charging. I switched to the 110 outlet instead and got green lights. Charging started and a few seconds later the breaker popped. I reset the breaker and reduced the charging amperage inside the car down to 5 amp. Still popped. So I spent the night a bit worried about using too much power but otherwise it worked out nicely. The twin bed in the car was toasty warm and the tent was warmer than the outside air (though still a bit chilly). I googled what the issue with the TT-30 adapter could be and there seemed to be some mention that they are wired for RVs and not EVs. Maybe someone can help me understand that. Here s a rough log of my usage based on my notes in case anyone is wondering what kind of usage I saw. As the temperature dropped throughout the night I bumped up the settings to try and compensate. Time | Range Left | Car Temp Setting | Fan Speed Set| Outside Temp ---|---|----|----|---- 11PM | 192 miles | 72 | 1 | 58 3AM | 174 miles | 76 | 2 | 53 8AM | 149 miles | 78 | 3 | 50 Edit 1: One thing I would like is the ability to set the fan speed and seat heaters from the app. When I woke up I would crawl forward and push on the driver seat to activate the screen to set the fan speed. Temp could be adjusted through the app though. | TT-30 is a 120V outlet. There is a live connector at 120V a neutral connector at 0V and a ground. A 14-50 is a 240V outlet. There is L1 at +120V L2 at -120V neutral at 0V and a ground. Most RVs don t actually have any 240v circuits despite using a NEMA 14-50. Instead they have two separate 120V circuits -- one that gets 120V from L1 and neutral and one that gets 120V from neutral and L2. That adapter simply connects both L1 and L2 to the live connector on the TT-30 so each of the two circuits would still get 120V. The Tesla UMC on the other hand wants to run off 240V if possible. Normally when plugged into a real 14-50 connector it would get that 240V from the 240V difference between L1 and L2. The neutral pin is unused. When you tried to use your RV adapter with the UMC L1 and L2 are connected to the exact same pin on the TT-30 so the voltage difference between them is 0V and the UMC won t work. Instead you needed to have a special Tesla-only adapter which connects live to L1 and neutral to L2. You won t find this adapter in most stores as could potentially damage the electrical system of an RV if it were used with it. You can buy a Tesla-only adapter a few places online or [make one yourself](http: cosmacelf.net Home%20Made%20Adapters.pdf) | Someone more technical than me can tell you why the adapter didn t work (has something to do with the wiring). I ve purchased this from EVSE & have verified it works: https: evseadapters.com collections adapters-for-tesla products nema-14-50r-to-tt-30p-adapter Can you share the link to the tent you re using? I m interesting in purchasing something similar. | 39 | 6 | 1,676 |
78bepm | 22 | Since the Cars are great and the Semi s are going to be amazing when do we get pickups? an SUV just wont meet my needs right now and so I have a pickuptruck - is there any word on Testla Pickup trucks? I would love to have a T-800 | Elon needs to start fulfilling his promises before making any new ones. | 2021? I imagine after the 3 Y they will start to increase form factors a bit quicker. But it makes sense to stay in the sweet spot at this point of consumers that are commuters with an eco bent. | 38 | 2 | 1,677 |
78bepm | 22 | Since the Cars are great and the Semi s are going to be amazing when do we get pickups? an SUV just wont meet my needs right now and so I have a pickuptruck - is there any word on Testla Pickup trucks? I would love to have a T-800 | Elon needs to start fulfilling his promises before making any new ones. | I m sure it s in the works but we re still many years away from it. It s a super logical next step after the model 3 and Y. | 38 | 9 | 1,678 |
78bepm | 22 | Since the Cars are great and the Semi s are going to be amazing when do we get pickups? an SUV just wont meet my needs right now and so I have a pickuptruck - is there any word on Testla Pickup trucks? I would love to have a T-800 | Elon needs to start fulfilling his promises before making any new ones. | probably 4 or 5 years out. | 38 | 10 | 1,679 |
78h3v0 | 61 | We re a company building a wireless charger for Tesla - Seeking Model 3 Console Measurements! Hey we re the Nomad team. We re looking to build a wireless PHONE charger for the Model 3. We specialize in building innovative charging accessories and we think Tesla is the next place to go. We re offering vendor credit (and of course a wireless charger) to any Model 3 Owners (or Tesla employees...) who can provide measurements so that we can start production ASAP. Please PM if you can help! Adventure On! | I thought you meant a wireless charger for the car itself. Gutted :( | God speed! | 47 | 2 | 1,680 |
78h3v0 | 61 | We re a company building a wireless charger for Tesla - Seeking Model 3 Console Measurements! Hey we re the Nomad team. We re looking to build a wireless PHONE charger for the Model 3. We specialize in building innovative charging accessories and we think Tesla is the next place to go. We re offering vendor credit (and of course a wireless charger) to any Model 3 Owners (or Tesla employees...) who can provide measurements so that we can start production ASAP. Please PM if you can help! Adventure On! | I thought you meant a wireless charger for the car itself. Gutted :( | Please consider an option that would sit on the dash in front of the driver. Double the charging pad as a heads up display projector. | 47 | 2 | 1,681 |
78h3v0 | 61 | We re a company building a wireless charger for Tesla - Seeking Model 3 Console Measurements! Hey we re the Nomad team. We re looking to build a wireless PHONE charger for the Model 3. We specialize in building innovative charging accessories and we think Tesla is the next place to go. We re offering vendor credit (and of course a wireless charger) to any Model 3 Owners (or Tesla employees...) who can provide measurements so that we can start production ASAP. Please PM if you can help! Adventure On! | I thought you meant a wireless charger for the car itself. Gutted :( | do you guys have one for the model s x? | 47 | 3 | 1,682 |
78lco5 | 24 | Anyone know why the S X inventory numbers are dropping so much? https: ev-cpo.com hunter Two months ago there were more than 1200 in the US alone with more listed daily now there are 400 some declining daily. I know they are probably shipping some overseas sold a bunch with big discounts at the end of last quarter and are probably converting some to service vehicle with their new program but it still seemed like their production rate was so high last quarter that it was out running demand and creating more excess inventory so they must have either A) dropped production or B) had a really big increase in demand which doesn t seem likely enough to explain the big change in inventory. Asking mainly because I m looking for a showroom model which were being added pretty regularly a month or two ago but I haven t seen any new ones listed in several weeks. | FWIW their marketing has finally broken through to me (previous MB AMG owner) and several of my friends and co-workers. Combined with the currently available incentives (tax credit referrals price reductions etc) it finally made me want a Model S. And by want I mean really....REALLY want. So much so that I aggressively hunted inventory cars to get one that I want within 30 days of deciding to make the jump. Don t underestimate the exponential pull of the EV movement when car guys co-workers and family start trading in their luxury performance german vehicles for a Tesla. Honestly reminds me a lot of when the iPhone launched. Tesla may truly be hitting critical mass! | This has happened before and I speculate: - this is part of their new EV mobile service using S X. If they build enough service centers in popular areas rangers really won t travel too far. And or - they pulled a bunch back for service center loaner fleet... more service centers and cars means more loaners. Those have to grow at similar curve pace as Model 3 | 53 | 8 | 1,683 |
78lco5 | 24 | Anyone know why the S X inventory numbers are dropping so much? https: ev-cpo.com hunter Two months ago there were more than 1200 in the US alone with more listed daily now there are 400 some declining daily. I know they are probably shipping some overseas sold a bunch with big discounts at the end of last quarter and are probably converting some to service vehicle with their new program but it still seemed like their production rate was so high last quarter that it was out running demand and creating more excess inventory so they must have either A) dropped production or B) had a really big increase in demand which doesn t seem likely enough to explain the big change in inventory. Asking mainly because I m looking for a showroom model which were being added pretty regularly a month or two ago but I haven t seen any new ones listed in several weeks. | FWIW their marketing has finally broken through to me (previous MB AMG owner) and several of my friends and co-workers. Combined with the currently available incentives (tax credit referrals price reductions etc) it finally made me want a Model S. And by want I mean really....REALLY want. So much so that I aggressively hunted inventory cars to get one that I want within 30 days of deciding to make the jump. Don t underestimate the exponential pull of the EV movement when car guys co-workers and family start trading in their luxury performance german vehicles for a Tesla. Honestly reminds me a lot of when the iPhone launched. Tesla may truly be hitting critical mass! | A little bit of r conspiracy here...but I wouldn t rule out a major production update (interior refresh?) slowing the process as it did during previous changes. Attributing it to the model 3 ramp or to quarterly fluctuations is probabaly a saner answer though. > I haven t seen any new ones listed in several weeks. They are still being added daily they re just selling faster. There s an added date column on evcpo you can sort by. | 53 | 8 | 1,684 |
78nsh5 | 29 | At this time do we have any official information on the power torque and energy capacity of the Model 3? Monroney sticker pictures perhaps? | Yes the EPA document for the Model 3 LR (aka Model 3 80) can be found [here](https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L13.PDF). Based on this document we know the following: * 78.27 kWh usable battery capacity. See page 6 footer. * 80.5 kWh total battery capacity. This is calculated from 350V * 230 Ah= 80 500 Wh. 350V and 230Ah are mentioned on page 3. * 89.4 kWh wall consumption for a full charge. See page 6. * 258 HP motor. See page 4. Notice that this is the maximum HP the motor can deliver if the battery is not the limiting factor. * Based on the dyno test scores on this document the Model 3 80 scored 334 mi EPA rated range and Tesla voluntarily lowered it to 310 miles. See the thread I created [here](https: model3ownersclub.com threads model-3-80-scored-334-miles-epa-rated-range-but-tesla-voluntarily-lowered-it-to-310-miles.4950 ). * In addition to the dyno scores the fuel efficiency numbers on the Monroney sticker ([link](https: i.imgur.com hk0fEOf.jpg)) also confirm 334 mi EPA. Those numbers are not affected by voluntary range reductions. In short the Model 3 80 has the same range as the Model 100D. EPA rated range is 96% accurate for the Model 3 80 and 91% for the Model S. | look at the EPA numbers those are the most we got | 58 | 5 | 1,685 |
78qt55 | 97 | 2017.42 Firmware Megathread So I ve been working with the mods a little. We rarely get good release notes from Tesla and while TMC is great for learning the most intimate technical details about an update it s really hard to parse because it has very long threads. It s unclear which version people are commenting on after the first week. So instead of random I got update threads we re going to do megathreads for firmware releases. This way we can all post release notes update impressions bugs and such in a single place that people can find them. I ll also be adding each Megathread to the Wiki so that in the future people will be able to search the prior threads to see the changes as they happened. A few notes of housekeeping: - We re only tracking the firmware in the year.week format. If there are multiple builds that week which is rare we ll just keep them all in one thread. - Try to stay on-topic about what s new different better or worse about this particular update. General discussion about other matters probably belongs somewhere else. - You **can** post your autopilot demo videos here but (unless the mods say otherwise) you don t **have** to. If it s up to me I d appreciate you posting your video here and including some text commentary about what was better or worse in this update. Then if you want to create a separate karma-reaping post go for it. - I ll be monitoring ev-fw.com to keep track of the latest versions creating megathreads and updating the Wiki. In time we ll have a list of threads people can link to for research purposes. - If you love or hate this idea please let the mods know so they can make intelligent executive decisions. We want to keep the signal to noise ratio good. So... Who s got 2017.42 and how s it going for you? | Starting with this fimware 5 cameras are now in use by AP2+ The 3 forward-looking ones (main narrow zoom) and the cameras in front fender repeaters. (I did not verify this yet but NNs for all 5 are now included so I assume they are in use will verify later today). EDIT: after some testing and tracing and such I now see that while two extra Neural networks are included they are not yet used (but soon?). The other surprising finding is that the repeaters Neural network is supposed to be used for 4 cameras: the repeaters and the A-pillar cameras. All the cameras other than the main and narrow lack calibration at the moment and so are only used for logging at this time. The wide angle camera (fisheye) NN is specifically marked that it is used for purpose of rain sensing only. vision_task.cpp:682] RAW: main_camera_index:0 vision_task.cpp:683] RAW: narrow_camera_index:1 detector.cu:205] RAW: TOTAL CAMERAS:2 It s still possible that somebody just included the NNs by mistake because some file locations has changed with this firmware too. But let s hope for the best! | I can t add much content here as I m on 2017.40. On surface streets it s about the same as 2017.36 but on the highway it s really quite terrific. I put 125 miles on it today and had to intervene *once*. | 65 | 2 | 1,686 |
78qt55 | 97 | 2017.42 Firmware Megathread So I ve been working with the mods a little. We rarely get good release notes from Tesla and while TMC is great for learning the most intimate technical details about an update it s really hard to parse because it has very long threads. It s unclear which version people are commenting on after the first week. So instead of random I got update threads we re going to do megathreads for firmware releases. This way we can all post release notes update impressions bugs and such in a single place that people can find them. I ll also be adding each Megathread to the Wiki so that in the future people will be able to search the prior threads to see the changes as they happened. A few notes of housekeeping: - We re only tracking the firmware in the year.week format. If there are multiple builds that week which is rare we ll just keep them all in one thread. - Try to stay on-topic about what s new different better or worse about this particular update. General discussion about other matters probably belongs somewhere else. - You **can** post your autopilot demo videos here but (unless the mods say otherwise) you don t **have** to. If it s up to me I d appreciate you posting your video here and including some text commentary about what was better or worse in this update. Then if you want to create a separate karma-reaping post go for it. - I ll be monitoring ev-fw.com to keep track of the latest versions creating megathreads and updating the Wiki. In time we ll have a list of threads people can link to for research purposes. - If you love or hate this idea please let the mods know so they can make intelligent executive decisions. We want to keep the signal to noise ratio good. So... Who s got 2017.42 and how s it going for you? | Starting with this fimware 5 cameras are now in use by AP2+ The 3 forward-looking ones (main narrow zoom) and the cameras in front fender repeaters. (I did not verify this yet but NNs for all 5 are now included so I assume they are in use will verify later today). EDIT: after some testing and tracing and such I now see that while two extra Neural networks are included they are not yet used (but soon?). The other surprising finding is that the repeaters Neural network is supposed to be used for 4 cameras: the repeaters and the A-pillar cameras. All the cameras other than the main and narrow lack calibration at the moment and so are only used for logging at this time. The wide angle camera (fisheye) NN is specifically marked that it is used for purpose of rain sensing only. vision_task.cpp:682] RAW: main_camera_index:0 vision_task.cpp:683] RAW: narrow_camera_index:1 detector.cu:205] RAW: TOTAL CAMERAS:2 It s still possible that somebody just included the NNs by mistake because some file locations has changed with this firmware too. But let s hope for the best! | Just got the update is available notification but can t have the car out of commission right now. Will report back later | 65 | 2 | 1,687 |
78qt55 | 97 | 2017.42 Firmware Megathread So I ve been working with the mods a little. We rarely get good release notes from Tesla and while TMC is great for learning the most intimate technical details about an update it s really hard to parse because it has very long threads. It s unclear which version people are commenting on after the first week. So instead of random I got update threads we re going to do megathreads for firmware releases. This way we can all post release notes update impressions bugs and such in a single place that people can find them. I ll also be adding each Megathread to the Wiki so that in the future people will be able to search the prior threads to see the changes as they happened. A few notes of housekeeping: - We re only tracking the firmware in the year.week format. If there are multiple builds that week which is rare we ll just keep them all in one thread. - Try to stay on-topic about what s new different better or worse about this particular update. General discussion about other matters probably belongs somewhere else. - You **can** post your autopilot demo videos here but (unless the mods say otherwise) you don t **have** to. If it s up to me I d appreciate you posting your video here and including some text commentary about what was better or worse in this update. Then if you want to create a separate karma-reaping post go for it. - I ll be monitoring ev-fw.com to keep track of the latest versions creating megathreads and updating the Wiki. In time we ll have a list of threads people can link to for research purposes. - If you love or hate this idea please let the mods know so they can make intelligent executive decisions. We want to keep the signal to noise ratio good. So... Who s got 2017.42 and how s it going for you? | Starting with this fimware 5 cameras are now in use by AP2+ The 3 forward-looking ones (main narrow zoom) and the cameras in front fender repeaters. (I did not verify this yet but NNs for all 5 are now included so I assume they are in use will verify later today). EDIT: after some testing and tracing and such I now see that while two extra Neural networks are included they are not yet used (but soon?). The other surprising finding is that the repeaters Neural network is supposed to be used for 4 cameras: the repeaters and the A-pillar cameras. All the cameras other than the main and narrow lack calibration at the moment and so are only used for logging at this time. The wide angle camera (fisheye) NN is specifically marked that it is used for purpose of rain sensing only. vision_task.cpp:682] RAW: main_camera_index:0 vision_task.cpp:683] RAW: narrow_camera_index:1 detector.cu:205] RAW: TOTAL CAMERAS:2 It s still possible that somebody just included the NNs by mistake because some file locations has changed with this firmware too. But let s hope for the best! | Good idea! I m still on 2017.40 so I got nuthin . I don t know if this would be too much work but it would be helpful to have each main post updated with all confirmed changes so searching through the thread wasn t required. | 65 | 2 | 1,688 |
78tp62 | 48 | Tesla s Part 1 Application (EPA)! All I can say is wow. https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles FOI_HTSLV00.0L13_APPIPT1.PDF Also please link back if you use this in a story article etc... | **TLDR:** 334 mi EPA rated range pre voluntary reduction is now confirmed. Model 3 LR has the same range as the Model S 100D. Hi everybody. This latest EPA document in the opening message confirms that the Model 3 Long Range scored 334 miles EPA rated range but Tela voluntarily lowered it to 310 miles. You can see 334 miles in OP s document at the very end. This is the first time we see an EPA document that shows the 334 miles numbers. Last month I came up with the theory that the Model 3 Long Range scored 334 miles EPA rated range but Tesla voluntarily lowered it to 310 miles. I explained it [here](https: model3ownersclub.com threads model-3-80-scored-334-miles-epa-rated-range-but-tesla-voluntarily-lowered-it-to-310-miles.4950 ). Teslarati wrote a news article about it [here](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-model-3-epa-rating-334-miles-long-range). What this means is the advertised range of the Model 3 in North America will be 96% accurate compared to 91% for the Model S and X. For example the Model S 75D has 259 miles EPA rated range but it scored 235 miles at 65 mph in a range test by Consumer Reports. [Here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=cx7Tg7QNvFg) is the video. 235 miles real-world range is 91% of the advertised 259 miles EPA rated range. If Consumer Reports were to test the Model 3 LR based on EPA highway dyno test scores I m calculating that it would score 298 miles real-world range at 65 mph. That would be 96% of the advertised 310 miles EPA rated range. I created [this](https: i.imgur.com EEKbkuc.gif) table that shows the real-world range of different Tesla cars. The range numbers you see in the orange and purple cells are calculated from EPA highway dyno test scores shown in blue. | > 08.11 DESCRILPTION OF WARNING SYSTEM(S) FOR MAINTENANCE MALFUNCTION What s a descrilption? > 12:00 ‐16:00 RESERVED I guess everyone needs a siesta sometimes… | 37 | 3 | 1,689 |
78tp62 | 48 | Tesla s Part 1 Application (EPA)! All I can say is wow. https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles FOI_HTSLV00.0L13_APPIPT1.PDF Also please link back if you use this in a story article etc... | **TLDR:** 334 mi EPA rated range pre voluntary reduction is now confirmed. Model 3 LR has the same range as the Model S 100D. Hi everybody. This latest EPA document in the opening message confirms that the Model 3 Long Range scored 334 miles EPA rated range but Tela voluntarily lowered it to 310 miles. You can see 334 miles in OP s document at the very end. This is the first time we see an EPA document that shows the 334 miles numbers. Last month I came up with the theory that the Model 3 Long Range scored 334 miles EPA rated range but Tesla voluntarily lowered it to 310 miles. I explained it [here](https: model3ownersclub.com threads model-3-80-scored-334-miles-epa-rated-range-but-tesla-voluntarily-lowered-it-to-310-miles.4950 ). Teslarati wrote a news article about it [here](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-model-3-epa-rating-334-miles-long-range). What this means is the advertised range of the Model 3 in North America will be 96% accurate compared to 91% for the Model S and X. For example the Model S 75D has 259 miles EPA rated range but it scored 235 miles at 65 mph in a range test by Consumer Reports. [Here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=cx7Tg7QNvFg) is the video. 235 miles real-world range is 91% of the advertised 259 miles EPA rated range. If Consumer Reports were to test the Model 3 LR based on EPA highway dyno test scores I m calculating that it would score 298 miles real-world range at 65 mph. That would be 96% of the advertised 310 miles EPA rated range. I created [this](https: i.imgur.com EEKbkuc.gif) table that shows the real-world range of different Tesla cars. The range numbers you see in the orange and purple cells are calculated from EPA highway dyno test scores shown in blue. | > City Range miles **495.04** > > Highway Range miles **454.75** That s different from what we ve got earlier isn t it? | 37 | 3 | 1,690 |
78tp62 | 48 | Tesla s Part 1 Application (EPA)! All I can say is wow. https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles FOI_HTSLV00.0L13_APPIPT1.PDF Also please link back if you use this in a story article etc... | **TLDR:** 334 mi EPA rated range pre voluntary reduction is now confirmed. Model 3 LR has the same range as the Model S 100D. Hi everybody. This latest EPA document in the opening message confirms that the Model 3 Long Range scored 334 miles EPA rated range but Tela voluntarily lowered it to 310 miles. You can see 334 miles in OP s document at the very end. This is the first time we see an EPA document that shows the 334 miles numbers. Last month I came up with the theory that the Model 3 Long Range scored 334 miles EPA rated range but Tesla voluntarily lowered it to 310 miles. I explained it [here](https: model3ownersclub.com threads model-3-80-scored-334-miles-epa-rated-range-but-tesla-voluntarily-lowered-it-to-310-miles.4950 ). Teslarati wrote a news article about it [here](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-model-3-epa-rating-334-miles-long-range). What this means is the advertised range of the Model 3 in North America will be 96% accurate compared to 91% for the Model S and X. For example the Model S 75D has 259 miles EPA rated range but it scored 235 miles at 65 mph in a range test by Consumer Reports. [Here](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=cx7Tg7QNvFg) is the video. 235 miles real-world range is 91% of the advertised 259 miles EPA rated range. If Consumer Reports were to test the Model 3 LR based on EPA highway dyno test scores I m calculating that it would score 298 miles real-world range at 65 mph. That would be 96% of the advertised 310 miles EPA rated range. I created [this](https: i.imgur.com EEKbkuc.gif) table that shows the real-world range of different Tesla cars. The range numbers you see in the orange and purple cells are calculated from EPA highway dyno test scores shown in blue. | 08.03.01 Battery charging capacity The battery when fully charged contains the energy based on the type of battery fitted onto the vehicle AKA how to hide your specs 101. | 37 | 7 | 1,691 |
798963 | 21 | Heard we re getting better navigation soon I think it s fair to say navigation isn t one of Tesla s strong points. It s lead me astray enough times (including giving me 3 U-turns in a row once where I was stuck in a loop! LOL) so I ll often double-check with Google Maps (bulletproof with me) when traveling unknown areas. Have heard rumours that there s new navigation about to released which improves it to near Google Maps levels. Does anyone know more on this? | 3 months maybe 6 months definitely | Apple still couldn t reach the level of Google maps and it s already been 5 years since they released their map. What makes you think Tesla can achieve that? | 52 | 10 | 1,692 |
798963 | 21 | Heard we re getting better navigation soon I think it s fair to say navigation isn t one of Tesla s strong points. It s lead me astray enough times (including giving me 3 U-turns in a row once where I was stuck in a loop! LOL) so I ll often double-check with Google Maps (bulletproof with me) when traveling unknown areas. Have heard rumours that there s new navigation about to released which improves it to near Google Maps levels. Does anyone know more on this? | 3 months maybe 6 months definitely | I guess they are finally planning to unleash the TeslaMaps currently in use on Model3 and in Taiwan MiddleEast on North America? I am not sure it s quite on par with GoogleMaps since it s openstreetmap based but when I tested it a few months ago it was better than Navigon even though I did not like some UI aspects. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6sfcwo first_look_at_teslas_new_maps_and_navigation | 52 | 13 | 1,693 |
7a10u3 | 120 | Tesla just called be about a TMC post that they linked to me A few days ago local service center emailed me vaguely asking if there was anything they could do for me. I ignored as spam but then they called me today to again vaguely ask if they could help. I mentioned my cell connection had failed a few times in recent weeks but was easily reset with a scroll wheel reboot but it was no big deal. Then the concierge asked about my power output. A couple weeks ago I posted on TMC that my power output was being limited and he said Tesla s social media team had seen it linked it to my Tesla account and left a note for service to follow up. On one hand the proactive service is pretty clever and convenient. On the other hand it s kind of creepy to think that Tesla has a team of internet stalkers (not that it would be hard to figure out who I am with 5-10 Mina of Googling). I ve seen other examples of Tesla making these connections but still was an interesting call to say the least... | Seeing as people often come to reddit TMC etc. to ask questions vs. contacting Tesla it makes perfect sense to be paying attention to social media. | TMC post for context: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads limiting-output-at-60-charge.100335 | 91 | 9 | 1,694 |
7a10u3 | 120 | Tesla just called be about a TMC post that they linked to me A few days ago local service center emailed me vaguely asking if there was anything they could do for me. I ignored as spam but then they called me today to again vaguely ask if they could help. I mentioned my cell connection had failed a few times in recent weeks but was easily reset with a scroll wheel reboot but it was no big deal. Then the concierge asked about my power output. A couple weeks ago I posted on TMC that my power output was being limited and he said Tesla s social media team had seen it linked it to my Tesla account and left a note for service to follow up. On one hand the proactive service is pretty clever and convenient. On the other hand it s kind of creepy to think that Tesla has a team of internet stalkers (not that it would be hard to figure out who I am with 5-10 Mina of Googling). I ve seen other examples of Tesla making these connections but still was an interesting call to say the least... | Seeing as people often come to reddit TMC etc. to ask questions vs. contacting Tesla it makes perfect sense to be paying attention to social media. | I had this happen with Adorama right here on reddit. I asked r photography about their experience getting a defective lens serviced. An Adorama reddit account saw that I purchased it from them and reminded me of their return policy on refurbished gear. Ended up getting it replaced for free. I think it s pretty typical for internet-savvy companies. | 91 | 14 | 1,695 |
7a10u3 | 120 | Tesla just called be about a TMC post that they linked to me A few days ago local service center emailed me vaguely asking if there was anything they could do for me. I ignored as spam but then they called me today to again vaguely ask if they could help. I mentioned my cell connection had failed a few times in recent weeks but was easily reset with a scroll wheel reboot but it was no big deal. Then the concierge asked about my power output. A couple weeks ago I posted on TMC that my power output was being limited and he said Tesla s social media team had seen it linked it to my Tesla account and left a note for service to follow up. On one hand the proactive service is pretty clever and convenient. On the other hand it s kind of creepy to think that Tesla has a team of internet stalkers (not that it would be hard to figure out who I am with 5-10 Mina of Googling). I ve seen other examples of Tesla making these connections but still was an interesting call to say the least... | Oh you have no idea. There s a new social marketing term called social listening . Essentially companies recently learnt that they can now make impactful business decisions simply by scraping social networks for data. All those comments made by consumers who just wanted to vent their thoughts about a particular product or a marketing campaign they just saw on TV etc... all unfiltered thoughts. If random John Doe tweets about disliking the taste of a diet soda there s a very good chance that their marketing team will see it. Disclaimer: I work at one such data company. | TMC post for context: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads limiting-output-at-60-charge.100335 | 37 | 9 | 1,696 |
7a3fae | 287 | Family owns a custom home construction company and we ve had clients inquiring about a Tesla Solar Roof we re not sure what to tell them. My family owns a small custom home construction company and over the last few months we ve had clients ask if there s any way to get a Tesla Solar Roof installed on their new home build. Cost is not an issue for most of these people as the homes themselves tend to go up to $1.5 million USD but from what I gather there s no way to have one installed in a timely manner or by anyone other than SolarCity. Houses are built and completed within around 6 months but I m seeing that just the wait time is about that long. Any advice? | Contact Tesla. Seriously no brainer. | I m about to remodel a old house and want this too. I think it s a business opportunity that you should look into starting if your area is good for solar. This will be huge. I might start another business doing this. | 280 | 2 | 1,697 |
7a3fae | 287 | Family owns a custom home construction company and we ve had clients inquiring about a Tesla Solar Roof we re not sure what to tell them. My family owns a small custom home construction company and over the last few months we ve had clients ask if there s any way to get a Tesla Solar Roof installed on their new home build. Cost is not an issue for most of these people as the homes themselves tend to go up to $1.5 million USD but from what I gather there s no way to have one installed in a timely manner or by anyone other than SolarCity. Houses are built and completed within around 6 months but I m seeing that just the wait time is about that long. Any advice? | Contact Tesla. Seriously no brainer. | I m not sure how it works for solar projects but many Business to Business transactions have their own logistical team. The wait time for Joe the I want solar guy might be 6 months but for a business that can bring 20 solar projects at once on a new built rather than a retrofit might be less. You just have to figure out the right point of contact. | 280 | 107 | 1,698 |
7a3fae | 287 | Family owns a custom home construction company and we ve had clients inquiring about a Tesla Solar Roof we re not sure what to tell them. My family owns a small custom home construction company and over the last few months we ve had clients ask if there s any way to get a Tesla Solar Roof installed on their new home build. Cost is not an issue for most of these people as the homes themselves tend to go up to $1.5 million USD but from what I gather there s no way to have one installed in a timely manner or by anyone other than SolarCity. Houses are built and completed within around 6 months but I m seeing that just the wait time is about that long. Any advice? | I m not sure how it works for solar projects but many Business to Business transactions have their own logistical team. The wait time for Joe the I want solar guy might be 6 months but for a business that can bring 20 solar projects at once on a new built rather than a retrofit might be less. You just have to figure out the right point of contact. | I m about to remodel a old house and want this too. I think it s a business opportunity that you should look into starting if your area is good for solar. This will be huge. I might start another business doing this. | 107 | 2 | 1,699 |
7a3we3 | 78 | Before we find out tonight - how many cars do you think Tesla made in October? EDIT : Good point by Fred - I meant Model 3 specifically. Or hell total if you want it s your comment. My guess is ~300. | False premise: I don t expect them to officially announce production totals for October. | 2 000 manufactured | 68 | 2 | 1,700 |
7a3we3 | 78 | Before we find out tonight - how many cars do you think Tesla made in October? EDIT : Good point by Fred - I meant Model 3 specifically. Or hell total if you want it s your comment. My guess is ~300. | False premise: I don t expect them to officially announce production totals for October. | Hoping 1500+ | 68 | 3 | 1,701 |
7a3we3 | 78 | Before we find out tonight - how many cars do you think Tesla made in October? EDIT : Good point by Fred - I meant Model 3 specifically. Or hell total if you want it s your comment. My guess is ~300. | False premise: I don t expect them to officially announce production totals for October. | One Dollar Bob! | 68 | 5 | 1,702 |
7a3xvs | 290 | Tesla (TSLA) third quarter 2017 results and conference call - Official Thread Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its third quarter 2017 financial results today November 1 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=185855) * T[esla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 5437194523x0x962149 00F6EB90-2695-44E6-8C03-7EC4E06DF840 TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-3Q.pdf) Please keep the posts related to the earnings in this thread | Model 3 ramp is *an entire quarter* behind schedule. That kind of sucks. | Will there be a video where he answers questions? Or is it just phone call? | 135 | 2 | 1,703 |
7a3xvs | 290 | Tesla (TSLA) third quarter 2017 results and conference call - Official Thread Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its third quarter 2017 financial results today November 1 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=185855) * T[esla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 5437194523x0x962149 00F6EB90-2695-44E6-8C03-7EC4E06DF840 TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-3Q.pdf) Please keep the posts related to the earnings in this thread | Model 3 ramp is *an entire quarter* behind schedule. That kind of sucks. | Good luck guys ! | 135 | 3 | 1,704 |
7a3xvs | 290 | Tesla (TSLA) third quarter 2017 results and conference call - Official Thread Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its third quarter 2017 financial results today November 1 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=185855) * T[esla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 5437194523x0x962149 00F6EB90-2695-44E6-8C03-7EC4E06DF840 TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-3Q.pdf) Please keep the posts related to the earnings in this thread | Model 3 ramp is *an entire quarter* behind schedule. That kind of sucks. | Semi reveal is soon right? | 135 | 3 | 1,705 |
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