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7ac37y | 45 | Is anybody considering buying TSLA on this dip? TSLA dropped under $300 today due to the earnings call yesterday. Is anybody thinking about buying on this dip? I transferred $10 000 into my etrade account but it will take 3 business days to clear. I m definitely considering getting in on this cycle. | Not a chance. I am a Tesla fan but I think their stock is overvalued. I also had huge concerns on their Q3 earnings report. They are not making money on their core business. Take away their CapEx and they still lost money. Granted this could be due to employing a bunch of people to make the Model 3 and not making very many model 3s but it is still concerning. I see potential in the $200-225 range. Automotive accounts for about 80-90% of their revenue they need to have NET profit there and they didn t. Total revenue: $2 985 million Cost of revenue: $2 536 million R& D: $332 million Selling general admin: $653 million Accounting for only the cost these (not interest payments etc) that is a $536 million loss. They need to bring the cost of revenue and admin down. R& D could drop a little but 10% is probably a good amount to have investing in the future. Ultimately I would want to see cost of revenue no higher than $2 100 million for $3 000 million in revenue. | So what s the fundamental problem? Ability to produce versus cash demand? | 33 | 3 | 1,706 |
7ac37y | 45 | Is anybody considering buying TSLA on this dip? TSLA dropped under $300 today due to the earnings call yesterday. Is anybody thinking about buying on this dip? I transferred $10 000 into my etrade account but it will take 3 business days to clear. I m definitely considering getting in on this cycle. | Not a chance. I am a Tesla fan but I think their stock is overvalued. I also had huge concerns on their Q3 earnings report. They are not making money on their core business. Take away their CapEx and they still lost money. Granted this could be due to employing a bunch of people to make the Model 3 and not making very many model 3s but it is still concerning. I see potential in the $200-225 range. Automotive accounts for about 80-90% of their revenue they need to have NET profit there and they didn t. Total revenue: $2 985 million Cost of revenue: $2 536 million R& D: $332 million Selling general admin: $653 million Accounting for only the cost these (not interest payments etc) that is a $536 million loss. They need to bring the cost of revenue and admin down. R& D could drop a little but 10% is probably a good amount to have investing in the future. Ultimately I would want to see cost of revenue no higher than $2 100 million for $3 000 million in revenue. | Nope. I ve been kicked in the balls too hard too many times in too many contexts this week. Not selling but not buying more either. | 33 | 4 | 1,707 |
7ac37y | 45 | Is anybody considering buying TSLA on this dip? TSLA dropped under $300 today due to the earnings call yesterday. Is anybody thinking about buying on this dip? I transferred $10 000 into my etrade account but it will take 3 business days to clear. I m definitely considering getting in on this cycle. | Not a chance. I am a Tesla fan but I think their stock is overvalued. I also had huge concerns on their Q3 earnings report. They are not making money on their core business. Take away their CapEx and they still lost money. Granted this could be due to employing a bunch of people to make the Model 3 and not making very many model 3s but it is still concerning. I see potential in the $200-225 range. Automotive accounts for about 80-90% of their revenue they need to have NET profit there and they didn t. Total revenue: $2 985 million Cost of revenue: $2 536 million R& D: $332 million Selling general admin: $653 million Accounting for only the cost these (not interest payments etc) that is a $536 million loss. They need to bring the cost of revenue and admin down. R& D could drop a little but 10% is probably a good amount to have investing in the future. Ultimately I would want to see cost of revenue no higher than $2 100 million for $3 000 million in revenue. | The dip isn t over yet | 33 | 7 | 1,708 |
7am47e | 112 | Might be a terrible story but..... My Tesla obsession is relatively new compared with most around here. Started the beginning of this year. In June I finally put down my deposit on a model 3 and have since read everything I possibly could on tesla and the progress of the 3. Even though my reservation initially wasn t going to be filled until the end of 2018 I still spend more time than I m proud of reading up on M3. I ve looked at so many pictures I feel like Ive driven one. Then all this negative stuff started happening (the delays etc) and very recently I started questioning if I actually needed a $40k+ little EV. Never got close to canceling but did envision a world where my current vehicle is paid off and me driving it until it falls apart. This became my new reality for the last 48 hours and I had accepted that I wouldn t be getting a M3. That was until 30 minutes ago when I just saw one on the road for the first time here in Arizona. I tell you guys it was like being Dr. Grant in Jurassic Park and seeing a Tyrannosaurus Rex in person after studying them your entire life. The hair on my arms stood up. Only saw it for 5 seconds tops but it was beautiful. Black with Black Aero Wheels. I m Back. I m all in. I ll wait. I must have one. | Come on in. We have good Kool-Aid. | The fire burns strong. I m all in too. | 99 | 16 | 1,709 |
7anrth | 54 | Model 3 vs Volvo S60 for side-pole impact safety test and was Tesla misleading? u chaaau and I have been ranting and raving at each other here [in this thread](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaMasterrace comments 6u2zt2 model_3_trounces_5star_in_all_categories_volvo dp8002b) over the side-pole impact safety test and whether Tesla was misleading in claiming how much safer the Model 3 was compared to the Volvo S60. It s a complex situation but I thought I d throw down the gauntlet and bring you guys in to help settle the question since I know some of you have technical expertise in this field. The [whole thread](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaMasterrace comments 6u2zt2 model_3_trounces_5star_in_all_categories_volvo dp8002b) is worth reading but here s a sample taken from u chaaau s discussion: > < Tesla s video> is very misleading....in my opinion. > I think it s great how the model 3 is able to prevent cabin intrusion. Compared to most cars in the market that s probably the difference between life and death. But... For Tesla to imply claim that the Model 3 is safer than the S60 because there is no intrusion....is very poor taste. (every auto engineer should know about the SIPS design) > If you take a look at this video from 1:08 (interior shot) you will see how the chairs slides in... > https: www.youtube.com watch?v=kUvD7mH1U7E > I couldn t find a Model 3 side pole video but if you look at this Model S one at 1:33 https: www.youtube.com watch?v=_Al3IUHt9Wc > You will see how the lack of the crumple zone to absorb the energy results in much higher lateral forces on the driver s neck spine. I responded [here](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaMasterrace comments 6u2zt2 model_3_trounces_5star_in_all_categories_volvo dp9q4sn ) essentially saying it s better for little to no side ingress in impact since the airbag should be doing that job. He responded to that [here](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaMasterrace comments 6u2zt2 model_3_trounces_5star_in_all_categories_volvo dpawis2 ). | Well I m sure you already know my stance on this but for those who haven t heard it before: Tesla s video is incredibly misleading. As with the Model S they present the pole test as if preservation of passenger space is the only thing that matters. While the Model 3 info isn t public yet the Model S info has been for a while and you can pretty clearly see the difference in scores in the main NHTSA criteria: Measurement | Model S | Volvo S60 | % lower ---|---|---|---- Head Injury Criteria | 449.4 | 179.3 | 60.2 Lower Spine Acceleration | 46 G | 37 G | 19.6 Total Pelvic Force | 3492 N | 3035 N | 13.1 Max Thoracic Rib Deflection | 26 mm | 29 mm | -11.5 Max Abdominal Rib Deflection | 24 mm | 18 mm | 25 The S60 scores better in most categories and significantly better in the head injury and spine acceleration criteria but Elon and Tesla sold it as the Model S being far better based on a metric that isn t actually that relevant. Just as they hyped the hell out of the overall NHTSA results sold it as the safest car ever despite NHTSA protests and then when they didn t get top marks from IIHS went back for a second try and when that one didn t do it either they called the IIHS biased and proclaimed the NHTSA score is all that matters. Tesla has a pretty clear history of twisting things to suit their narrative I m sure as hell not taking their word on the Model 3 until I see some hard data to back it up. | ALL that matters is what forces are exerted on the crash test dummy. Period end of story. Everything else is aesthetics. Having a more rigid system with no give can actually impart MORE force on the occupant. The volvo s system in fact likely has less forces imparted on the crash test dummy. The official scores reflect this. So yes tesla was misleading in that showing it implied it was safer when it s not necessarily safer at all. I say this as both a Tesla fanboi and a lifelong volvo owner. The tesla is safe absolutely. But in this crash test it s absolutely no more safe than the volvo despite aesthetic differences | 79 | 43 | 1,710 |
7asdkg | 2,531 | Tesla ruined my Mercedes I have been driving my Model S every day for about a month. My other car is a fully loaded Mercedes E class. Before buying the Tesla the Mercedes was by far the best car I ever owned. I decided against trading it in for the Tesla because I loved it so much... This past week circumstances arose such that I had to spend over four hours driving my Mercedes. The ride felt like complete crap. I felt like I had to mash the throttle to accelerate the tiny navigation screen is a joke I had to remember to turn off the car and lock the doors no auto pilot. I never want to drive that two year old $60K car again. Tesla turned my perception of my awesome Mercedes to a piece of shit Ford Pinto in one month. Edit: Mercedes wasn t actually fully loaded as I didn t have distronic or designo leather. The point of the post was to say how much better the model S is to my other car which I thought was amazing before | This is like the worst case of first world problems I ve ever seen | How s the Tesla autopilot compare to MB s system? If yours has it that is... I m guessing it s not a 2017 EClass. | 3,741 | 9 | 1,711 |
7asdkg | 2,531 | Tesla ruined my Mercedes I have been driving my Model S every day for about a month. My other car is a fully loaded Mercedes E class. Before buying the Tesla the Mercedes was by far the best car I ever owned. I decided against trading it in for the Tesla because I loved it so much... This past week circumstances arose such that I had to spend over four hours driving my Mercedes. The ride felt like complete crap. I felt like I had to mash the throttle to accelerate the tiny navigation screen is a joke I had to remember to turn off the car and lock the doors no auto pilot. I never want to drive that two year old $60K car again. Tesla turned my perception of my awesome Mercedes to a piece of shit Ford Pinto in one month. Edit: Mercedes wasn t actually fully loaded as I didn t have distronic or designo leather. The point of the post was to say how much better the model S is to my other car which I thought was amazing before | This is like the worst case of first world problems I ve ever seen | And that is why EVs will win because they are better. | 3,741 | 75 | 1,712 |
7asdkg | 2,531 | Tesla ruined my Mercedes I have been driving my Model S every day for about a month. My other car is a fully loaded Mercedes E class. Before buying the Tesla the Mercedes was by far the best car I ever owned. I decided against trading it in for the Tesla because I loved it so much... This past week circumstances arose such that I had to spend over four hours driving my Mercedes. The ride felt like complete crap. I felt like I had to mash the throttle to accelerate the tiny navigation screen is a joke I had to remember to turn off the car and lock the doors no auto pilot. I never want to drive that two year old $60K car again. Tesla turned my perception of my awesome Mercedes to a piece of shit Ford Pinto in one month. Edit: Mercedes wasn t actually fully loaded as I didn t have distronic or designo leather. The point of the post was to say how much better the model S is to my other car which I thought was amazing before | This is like the worst case of first world problems I ve ever seen | Winner winner chicken dinner here upgraded from a thirteen year old Honda Civic hybrid to a Model S. Sorry for your loss. | 3,741 | 364 | 1,713 |
7b1jes | 22 | Test Drove a Model S WOW i m sold. It was a 100D. It was everything I had hoped for and more. I think I need to get one now. I could go on and on and on but most people here probably don t need me to. There is 0% chance at a 100D however a 75D is def possible. Please talk me out of it and tell me to come to my senses. lol. | The biggest reason to not buy a tesla is a pretty simple one: you will see less of your family. For a long period every excuse you can think of to go for a drive will seem really valid. Need to get the post from the letter box? Why not drive there and then around the block? Looks like you only have half a gallon of milk left? Well better drive to the shops then. It s tearing families apart!!! ... s | I test drove a 100D today as well. I m also trying to convince myself to hold on until my Model 3 is ready. | 38 | 2 | 1,714 |
7b1jes | 22 | Test Drove a Model S WOW i m sold. It was a 100D. It was everything I had hoped for and more. I think I need to get one now. I could go on and on and on but most people here probably don t need me to. There is 0% chance at a 100D however a 75D is def possible. Please talk me out of it and tell me to come to my senses. lol. | The biggest reason to not buy a tesla is a pretty simple one: you will see less of your family. For a long period every excuse you can think of to go for a drive will seem really valid. Need to get the post from the letter box? Why not drive there and then around the block? Looks like you only have half a gallon of milk left? Well better drive to the shops then. It s tearing families apart!!! ... s | Do it | 38 | 5 | 1,715 |
7b30o3 | 188 | The next thing that will blindside Elon...the cost of being late For being such a visionary and extraordinary businessman Elon seems to always be caught by total surprise when Tesla fails to meet a milestone. The reason excuse is always some force that is beyond his or Tesla s control. It s bad luck or those gosh darned suppliers who just *can t cut it*... Never Tesla s own lack of planning or knowledge of course. It s the suppliers. Fun fact about Tier 1 just-in-time (JIT) suppliers - if they for any reason force their customer (OEM) to shut down their assembly line for any reason (missing parts late parts quality defect) the OEM will charge them *by the minute* for stopping their line. $15 000 per minute is not uncommon. Just under a million dollars an hour. Consequently it almost never happens - maybe once or twice a year industry wide. To make sure they don t end up with year-destroying chargebacks the T1 suppliers make sure the parts are on time and high quality. They have to. They don t have the luxury of missing deadlines. In order to maintain that level of performance everything they do to prepare for production is tightly monitored and managed. Each week of the ~100 weeks between award and SOP has deliverables that need to happen to make sure they are ready when their customer is. And that preparation costs money. A lot of it. Buying capital hiring employees training employees trial runs scrapped materials and on and on. So when production is supposed to start they have already invested millions to prepare. Now... what do you suppose happens when the OEM s production...doesn t start? When their volume ramp up fails to occur by an order of ten? Suppliers lose money. A lot of money. That s capital sitting around being paid for but not used and a labor force standing around waiting to make the parts they ve been trained to make. You can t just fire them and tell them to come back when Elon figures shit out. Remember the Model 3 was Tesla showing they could play with the big boys. They might not know it yet but there s a cost associated with not delivering on time like the big boys do. Elon made a point to tell suppliers that had to be ready to produce parts for 250 000 vehicles per year starting July 1st. Well they are. And now they re burning money waiting for Tesla to catch up. Sooner or later one or many of these suppliers are going to come to Tesla and demand cash to reimburse them for losses created when Tesla missed their timing by 3-6 months (and counting). Even when they start production it s clear they are not going to hit the 250 000-500 000 vehicles that they planned to make and *told their suppliers to capacitize to*. When those suppliers come with their claims Tesla has two choices - pay them or tell their suppliers to get lost. If they pay them it eats away at the profits they are so urgently needing to show. If they tell them eat a dick we re Tesla they run the risk of a supplier stopping shipment of parts which would freeze Model 3 production for weeks months. Don t think a supplier would go there? Here s some perspective : Tesla revenue for 2016 was **$7 billion**. Here s 2016 revenue for some Tier 1 suppliers : Magna - $34.6 billion Lear - $18.6 billion Faurecia - $22.4 billion Continental - $48.6 billion Not all of those supply Tesla it s just an example of the size of the suppliers Elon likes to dismiss and threaten. For further perspective let s assume a supplier of this size is producing $200 per vehicle of parts for the Model 3. Let s then assume somewhere in 2019 Tesla makes 300 000 Model 3s. That s $60 million of sales. It s not nothing - **but it s 0.1% of sales** for one of these suppliers. If Tesla is causing headaches and eating up their resources badly disproportionate to the sales they bring in they absolutely will tell them to find someone else to make the parts. The only selling point Tesla had with these suppliers was the promise of Model 3 sales in high numbers and more vehicles to follow. If Tesla shows lasting signs of not being able to deliver those volumes suppliers will lose interest in working with them very quickly. When that happens Tesla will have to pay or face having their production stopped right when it s getting started. | Hey your ban wore off. Welcome back :D | Well seem you to have gone out of your way to base an argument around a group of assumptions... So far Tesla have given one supplier we know of a downgrade on deliveries for 3 months... | they run the risk of a supplier stopping shipment of parts which would freeze Model 3 production for weeks months. In the unlikely event that this happens Tesla will do what they always do make the part in house... They are hoping to ramp to 5 000 cars per week but the end of March yes that is 3 months late and it is probably a text book example of how not to ramp up new car production... but if they make it most of your arguments are academic... If we get to March 2018 and they are still singling the same tune then you have got a strong argument. | 97 | 6 | 1,716 |
7b30o3 | 188 | The next thing that will blindside Elon...the cost of being late For being such a visionary and extraordinary businessman Elon seems to always be caught by total surprise when Tesla fails to meet a milestone. The reason excuse is always some force that is beyond his or Tesla s control. It s bad luck or those gosh darned suppliers who just *can t cut it*... Never Tesla s own lack of planning or knowledge of course. It s the suppliers. Fun fact about Tier 1 just-in-time (JIT) suppliers - if they for any reason force their customer (OEM) to shut down their assembly line for any reason (missing parts late parts quality defect) the OEM will charge them *by the minute* for stopping their line. $15 000 per minute is not uncommon. Just under a million dollars an hour. Consequently it almost never happens - maybe once or twice a year industry wide. To make sure they don t end up with year-destroying chargebacks the T1 suppliers make sure the parts are on time and high quality. They have to. They don t have the luxury of missing deadlines. In order to maintain that level of performance everything they do to prepare for production is tightly monitored and managed. Each week of the ~100 weeks between award and SOP has deliverables that need to happen to make sure they are ready when their customer is. And that preparation costs money. A lot of it. Buying capital hiring employees training employees trial runs scrapped materials and on and on. So when production is supposed to start they have already invested millions to prepare. Now... what do you suppose happens when the OEM s production...doesn t start? When their volume ramp up fails to occur by an order of ten? Suppliers lose money. A lot of money. That s capital sitting around being paid for but not used and a labor force standing around waiting to make the parts they ve been trained to make. You can t just fire them and tell them to come back when Elon figures shit out. Remember the Model 3 was Tesla showing they could play with the big boys. They might not know it yet but there s a cost associated with not delivering on time like the big boys do. Elon made a point to tell suppliers that had to be ready to produce parts for 250 000 vehicles per year starting July 1st. Well they are. And now they re burning money waiting for Tesla to catch up. Sooner or later one or many of these suppliers are going to come to Tesla and demand cash to reimburse them for losses created when Tesla missed their timing by 3-6 months (and counting). Even when they start production it s clear they are not going to hit the 250 000-500 000 vehicles that they planned to make and *told their suppliers to capacitize to*. When those suppliers come with their claims Tesla has two choices - pay them or tell their suppliers to get lost. If they pay them it eats away at the profits they are so urgently needing to show. If they tell them eat a dick we re Tesla they run the risk of a supplier stopping shipment of parts which would freeze Model 3 production for weeks months. Don t think a supplier would go there? Here s some perspective : Tesla revenue for 2016 was **$7 billion**. Here s 2016 revenue for some Tier 1 suppliers : Magna - $34.6 billion Lear - $18.6 billion Faurecia - $22.4 billion Continental - $48.6 billion Not all of those supply Tesla it s just an example of the size of the suppliers Elon likes to dismiss and threaten. For further perspective let s assume a supplier of this size is producing $200 per vehicle of parts for the Model 3. Let s then assume somewhere in 2019 Tesla makes 300 000 Model 3s. That s $60 million of sales. It s not nothing - **but it s 0.1% of sales** for one of these suppliers. If Tesla is causing headaches and eating up their resources badly disproportionate to the sales they bring in they absolutely will tell them to find someone else to make the parts. The only selling point Tesla had with these suppliers was the promise of Model 3 sales in high numbers and more vehicles to follow. If Tesla shows lasting signs of not being able to deliver those volumes suppliers will lose interest in working with them very quickly. When that happens Tesla will have to pay or face having their production stopped right when it s getting started. | Hey your ban wore off. Welcome back :D | Tesla never said they d be making 250k model 3s per year starting July 1st. Pretty much everything you wrote here is wrong. | 97 | 36 | 1,717 |
7b30o3 | 188 | The next thing that will blindside Elon...the cost of being late For being such a visionary and extraordinary businessman Elon seems to always be caught by total surprise when Tesla fails to meet a milestone. The reason excuse is always some force that is beyond his or Tesla s control. It s bad luck or those gosh darned suppliers who just *can t cut it*... Never Tesla s own lack of planning or knowledge of course. It s the suppliers. Fun fact about Tier 1 just-in-time (JIT) suppliers - if they for any reason force their customer (OEM) to shut down their assembly line for any reason (missing parts late parts quality defect) the OEM will charge them *by the minute* for stopping their line. $15 000 per minute is not uncommon. Just under a million dollars an hour. Consequently it almost never happens - maybe once or twice a year industry wide. To make sure they don t end up with year-destroying chargebacks the T1 suppliers make sure the parts are on time and high quality. They have to. They don t have the luxury of missing deadlines. In order to maintain that level of performance everything they do to prepare for production is tightly monitored and managed. Each week of the ~100 weeks between award and SOP has deliverables that need to happen to make sure they are ready when their customer is. And that preparation costs money. A lot of it. Buying capital hiring employees training employees trial runs scrapped materials and on and on. So when production is supposed to start they have already invested millions to prepare. Now... what do you suppose happens when the OEM s production...doesn t start? When their volume ramp up fails to occur by an order of ten? Suppliers lose money. A lot of money. That s capital sitting around being paid for but not used and a labor force standing around waiting to make the parts they ve been trained to make. You can t just fire them and tell them to come back when Elon figures shit out. Remember the Model 3 was Tesla showing they could play with the big boys. They might not know it yet but there s a cost associated with not delivering on time like the big boys do. Elon made a point to tell suppliers that had to be ready to produce parts for 250 000 vehicles per year starting July 1st. Well they are. And now they re burning money waiting for Tesla to catch up. Sooner or later one or many of these suppliers are going to come to Tesla and demand cash to reimburse them for losses created when Tesla missed their timing by 3-6 months (and counting). Even when they start production it s clear they are not going to hit the 250 000-500 000 vehicles that they planned to make and *told their suppliers to capacitize to*. When those suppliers come with their claims Tesla has two choices - pay them or tell their suppliers to get lost. If they pay them it eats away at the profits they are so urgently needing to show. If they tell them eat a dick we re Tesla they run the risk of a supplier stopping shipment of parts which would freeze Model 3 production for weeks months. Don t think a supplier would go there? Here s some perspective : Tesla revenue for 2016 was **$7 billion**. Here s 2016 revenue for some Tier 1 suppliers : Magna - $34.6 billion Lear - $18.6 billion Faurecia - $22.4 billion Continental - $48.6 billion Not all of those supply Tesla it s just an example of the size of the suppliers Elon likes to dismiss and threaten. For further perspective let s assume a supplier of this size is producing $200 per vehicle of parts for the Model 3. Let s then assume somewhere in 2019 Tesla makes 300 000 Model 3s. That s $60 million of sales. It s not nothing - **but it s 0.1% of sales** for one of these suppliers. If Tesla is causing headaches and eating up their resources badly disproportionate to the sales they bring in they absolutely will tell them to find someone else to make the parts. The only selling point Tesla had with these suppliers was the promise of Model 3 sales in high numbers and more vehicles to follow. If Tesla shows lasting signs of not being able to deliver those volumes suppliers will lose interest in working with them very quickly. When that happens Tesla will have to pay or face having their production stopped right when it s getting started. | You entire argument is based on a misunderstanding of how contractor agreements work. Tesla and the supplier sign a contract which says that Tesla will pay the contractor based on specific deliverables and milestones (contract signing prototype equipment and training etc.). The point of using a supplier is that the supplier absorbs the risk of delays for all kinds of reasons and represents those risks in the prices it quotes. Anyway Tesla never hits its date estimates so the idea that the Tesla legal team would agree to sign a contract which penalizes themselves for every day they are late is ridiculous to me. | If I follow your logic a T1 supplier at the Gigafactory is also in big troubles too... | 37 | 3 | 1,718 |
7b43zh | 23 | [Discussion] Tesla Model 3 Owners: I m a huge guy and barely fit into my Toyota Rav4. Would I fit into the Model 3? I m rather huge and it s hard to find a car that s comfortable. I currently have a Rav4 the driver seat for which fits me but only just. Would I fit into a Model 3 or should I avoid the embarrassment of trying? | Here is a comparison of the interior specs 2018 RAV4 LE vs 2018 Tesla Model 3 (front rear) Head Room: 39.8 38.9 vs 40.3 37.7 Leg Room: 42.6 37.2 vs 42.7 35.2 Shoulder Room: 57.3 55.4 vs 56.3 54.0 Hip Room: 54.3 48.9 vs 53.4 52.4 | Did you compare the specs of the 2 cars? | 38 | 2 | 1,719 |
7b43zh | 23 | [Discussion] Tesla Model 3 Owners: I m a huge guy and barely fit into my Toyota Rav4. Would I fit into the Model 3? I m rather huge and it s hard to find a car that s comfortable. I currently have a Rav4 the driver seat for which fits me but only just. Would I fit into a Model 3 or should I avoid the embarrassment of trying? | Here is a comparison of the interior specs 2018 RAV4 LE vs 2018 Tesla Model 3 (front rear) Head Room: 39.8 38.9 vs 40.3 37.7 Leg Room: 42.6 37.2 vs 42.7 35.2 Shoulder Room: 57.3 55.4 vs 56.3 54.0 Hip Room: 54.3 48.9 vs 53.4 52.4 | I would recommend to schedule a test drive when these come available. It will take some time but will prevent you from buying a car you won t fit in. | 38 | 11 | 1,720 |
7b53be | 222 | If Tesla is 3 months behind in Model3 production why has my delivery estimate only moved 1 month? I am a non-owner on the East coast. I waited in line at my local store for them to unlock the doors and made my reservation at approx 10.30am on 3 31. My Tesla account says my reservation was made on 3 31 (despite some line waiters who ve seen their status go from 3 31 to 4 1). Up until the earnings call where they announced their most recent delay my delivery estimate for First Production was Nov 17 - Jan 18. Now the revised estimate is Dec 17 - Feb 18. So I m wondering how that is. Certainly no complaints but just wondering why it s only 1 month later. Does it indicate that possibly there aren t too many current owners in my region who have reservations thus once they start public deliveries to my region there aren t too many people ahead of me? | The best guess I have is this: The original ramp rate for the Model 3 was a goal of 5k week production by the end of December. What they announced wasn t a delay in production by 3 months but rather a delay in the goal of 5k week to end of the next quarter. So it s not a pure 3 month stoppage of production but a much longer ramp up period than their previous (extremely audacious) original ramp rate. Here s what it seems like the change was in total output: Original New Aug: 100 100 Sept: ~1 500 160 Oct: ~5 000 ~500 Nov: ~10 000 ~1 000 Dec: ~20 000 ~2 500 Jan: - ~5 000 Feb: - ~10 000 Mar: - ~20 000 So for the earliest people they have a Nov-Jan window there will supposedly be ~9k cars produced by the end of that window. It still sounds like they re being way optimistic that they will hit the new estimates but they are probably banking on fulfilling most of the people in the tail end of them if their ramp up doesn t stall again. | Because Tesla estimates your position in reservation queue to rise accordingly? Some wants standard range models some have switched to MS some well might *have contacted Tesla about their reservations* and so on. | 120 | 4 | 1,721 |
7b53be | 222 | If Tesla is 3 months behind in Model3 production why has my delivery estimate only moved 1 month? I am a non-owner on the East coast. I waited in line at my local store for them to unlock the doors and made my reservation at approx 10.30am on 3 31. My Tesla account says my reservation was made on 3 31 (despite some line waiters who ve seen their status go from 3 31 to 4 1). Up until the earnings call where they announced their most recent delay my delivery estimate for First Production was Nov 17 - Jan 18. Now the revised estimate is Dec 17 - Feb 18. So I m wondering how that is. Certainly no complaints but just wondering why it s only 1 month later. Does it indicate that possibly there aren t too many current owners in my region who have reservations thus once they start public deliveries to my region there aren t too many people ahead of me? | The best guess I have is this: The original ramp rate for the Model 3 was a goal of 5k week production by the end of December. What they announced wasn t a delay in production by 3 months but rather a delay in the goal of 5k week to end of the next quarter. So it s not a pure 3 month stoppage of production but a much longer ramp up period than their previous (extremely audacious) original ramp rate. Here s what it seems like the change was in total output: Original New Aug: 100 100 Sept: ~1 500 160 Oct: ~5 000 ~500 Nov: ~10 000 ~1 000 Dec: ~20 000 ~2 500 Jan: - ~5 000 Feb: - ~10 000 Mar: - ~20 000 So for the earliest people they have a Nov-Jan window there will supposedly be ~9k cars produced by the end of that window. It still sounds like they re being way optimistic that they will hit the new estimates but they are probably banking on fulfilling most of the people in the tail end of them if their ramp up doesn t stall again. | Why would they tell the truth when a lie will work better for a bit? | 120 | 22 | 1,722 |
7b53be | 222 | If Tesla is 3 months behind in Model3 production why has my delivery estimate only moved 1 month? I am a non-owner on the East coast. I waited in line at my local store for them to unlock the doors and made my reservation at approx 10.30am on 3 31. My Tesla account says my reservation was made on 3 31 (despite some line waiters who ve seen their status go from 3 31 to 4 1). Up until the earnings call where they announced their most recent delay my delivery estimate for First Production was Nov 17 - Jan 18. Now the revised estimate is Dec 17 - Feb 18. So I m wondering how that is. Certainly no complaints but just wondering why it s only 1 month later. Does it indicate that possibly there aren t too many current owners in my region who have reservations thus once they start public deliveries to my region there aren t too many people ahead of me? | The best guess I have is this: The original ramp rate for the Model 3 was a goal of 5k week production by the end of December. What they announced wasn t a delay in production by 3 months but rather a delay in the goal of 5k week to end of the next quarter. So it s not a pure 3 month stoppage of production but a much longer ramp up period than their previous (extremely audacious) original ramp rate. Here s what it seems like the change was in total output: Original New Aug: 100 100 Sept: ~1 500 160 Oct: ~5 000 ~500 Nov: ~10 000 ~1 000 Dec: ~20 000 ~2 500 Jan: - ~5 000 Feb: - ~10 000 Mar: - ~20 000 So for the earliest people they have a Nov-Jan window there will supposedly be ~9k cars produced by the end of that window. It still sounds like they re being way optimistic that they will hit the new estimates but they are probably banking on fulfilling most of the people in the tail end of them if their ramp up doesn t stall again. | I think this is because once the bottle necks have been cleared the run rate is going to blow through the first few months of (lost) production. This is because they always planned for low production numbers in the first few months. That is the way i see it anyway ) | 120 | 22 | 1,723 |
7beu81 | 65 | [Discussion] Waymo s fully self-driving vehicles are here https: medium.com waymo with-waymo-in-the-drivers-seat-fully-self-driving-vehicles-can-transform-the-way-we-get-around-75e9622e829a https: www.theverge.com 2017 11 7 16615290 waymo-self-driving-safety-driver-chandler-autonomous | Waymo advanced than Tesla s AP capabilities and yet people are constantly saying that Tesla is leading the pack. As more companies come online with full autonomy (i.e. Cruise also) but Tesla is still 1-2+ yrs away the gap will become clearer. | couple of observations around the video: 1) This was done in ideal conditions. There was no visbility issues no rain and basically no traffic. Self driving when everything is perfect is a lot easier than when something isnt perfect 2) In each of the three cars it looks like one person was holding a phone and the other had a single ear-bud in. I wonder if this is necessary or just coincidence 3) There was no traffic in the same lane as these cars. If we are just proving a car can follow road rules and highly detailed maps have we really achieved self-driving? In the end if someone has achieved self-driving thats amazing for everyone as the tech can be moved around quickly (you just have to hire the talent that has already cracked the code...) Looks a little more like an advertising feature than true FSD | 50 | 4 | 1,724 |
7beu81 | 65 | [Discussion] Waymo s fully self-driving vehicles are here https: medium.com waymo with-waymo-in-the-drivers-seat-fully-self-driving-vehicles-can-transform-the-way-we-get-around-75e9622e829a https: www.theverge.com 2017 11 7 16615290 waymo-self-driving-safety-driver-chandler-autonomous | Waymo advanced than Tesla s AP capabilities and yet people are constantly saying that Tesla is leading the pack. As more companies come online with full autonomy (i.e. Cruise also) but Tesla is still 1-2+ yrs away the gap will become clearer. | They ve been at it a lot longer than Tesla s year old reboot. They ve [built simulators and real world versions of problematic areas](https: www.theatlantic.com technology archive 2017 08 inside-waymos-secret-testing-and-simulation-facilities 537648 ). It s no surprise that they hit L4 first. | 50 | 11 | 1,725 |
7beu81 | 65 | [Discussion] Waymo s fully self-driving vehicles are here https: medium.com waymo with-waymo-in-the-drivers-seat-fully-self-driving-vehicles-can-transform-the-way-we-get-around-75e9622e829a https: www.theverge.com 2017 11 7 16615290 waymo-self-driving-safety-driver-chandler-autonomous | Waymo advanced than Tesla s AP capabilities and yet people are constantly saying that Tesla is leading the pack. As more companies come online with full autonomy (i.e. Cruise also) but Tesla is still 1-2+ yrs away the gap will become clearer. | I m thinking as long as they re still in testing mode and until it s sitting affordably priced in my driveway...it isn t here. I m not downplaying their work - Waymo and their tech is amazing. But as a consumer I don t care till I can use it in some meaningful way. As far as the Tesla angle - Tesla still has a loooooong way to go. But I suspect everyone else does too given the different requirements not just of the tech but of mass marketability. So for now I ll plod along with my Lvl 1 and then 2 and then 3... | 50 | 15 | 1,726 |
7bhia4 | 86 | Tesla is uploading huge amounts of autopilot data from their cars to their servers which helps train AP. But maybe they should give their superchargers a fast internet connection for those with slow upload or data caps. The last couple of months Tesla started uploading huge amounts of autopilot data multiple gigabytes a month and in some cases even more than a gigabyte a day. This is great for Tesla to train their neural networks and improve autopilot but for users with slow upload speeds it s less convenient and if you have a datacap it can take up a significant proportion of your usage limit. So I think Tesla should provide a alternative place to upload your autopilot data aside from home. Someplace you are often stop for at least a few minutes and preferably a place where you come when you re driving a lot of miles. Sounds like a perfect fit for a supercharger. If superchargers get connected to gigabit internet connections you could upload up to 120 MB s at them. In a half hour (charge) this is more than 200 GB! Even spread out over 8 cars this is still 25 GB more than enough at least for now. Wireless can be great but in general a wired connection is faster not shared with other users and more stable. Maybe Tesla could integrate an ethernet connection in their charging ports so that when you plug in to a charger you can also establish a data connection. Aside from superchargers could home owners also connect their own charger to their network by wire. So I think it would be a great idea to add fast internet at superchargers preferably gigabit. Users with data caps can select a option not to upload large datasets at home and if needed autopilot data from cars with slow upload speeds at home be fully uploaded. And it allows Tesla to get more data from their fleet for the HD maps and autopilot training. | I ve been to a supercharger 3 times in my 11 months of ownership. I m not sure the average car visits one often enough to make this all that useful. The car doesn t have infinite onboard storage so if it can t upload it has to start discarding. What percentage of $100K car owners have data caps at home slow upload speeds and also visit superchargers weekly? | I did notice my car has been doing a whole lot of talking the past few days. | 49 | 3 | 1,727 |
7bhia4 | 86 | Tesla is uploading huge amounts of autopilot data from their cars to their servers which helps train AP. But maybe they should give their superchargers a fast internet connection for those with slow upload or data caps. The last couple of months Tesla started uploading huge amounts of autopilot data multiple gigabytes a month and in some cases even more than a gigabyte a day. This is great for Tesla to train their neural networks and improve autopilot but for users with slow upload speeds it s less convenient and if you have a datacap it can take up a significant proportion of your usage limit. So I think Tesla should provide a alternative place to upload your autopilot data aside from home. Someplace you are often stop for at least a few minutes and preferably a place where you come when you re driving a lot of miles. Sounds like a perfect fit for a supercharger. If superchargers get connected to gigabit internet connections you could upload up to 120 MB s at them. In a half hour (charge) this is more than 200 GB! Even spread out over 8 cars this is still 25 GB more than enough at least for now. Wireless can be great but in general a wired connection is faster not shared with other users and more stable. Maybe Tesla could integrate an ethernet connection in their charging ports so that when you plug in to a charger you can also establish a data connection. Aside from superchargers could home owners also connect their own charger to their network by wire. So I think it would be a great idea to add fast internet at superchargers preferably gigabit. Users with data caps can select a option not to upload large datasets at home and if needed autopilot data from cars with slow upload speeds at home be fully uploaded. And it allows Tesla to get more data from their fleet for the HD maps and autopilot training. | I ve been to a supercharger 3 times in my 11 months of ownership. I m not sure the average car visits one often enough to make this all that useful. The car doesn t have infinite onboard storage so if it can t upload it has to start discarding. What percentage of $100K car owners have data caps at home slow upload speeds and also visit superchargers weekly? | They could also use this to download updates and cache them inside the supercharger stations. This would save them a huge amount of bandwidth on the rollout. It does not need to even be complex. Just a simple wifi connection with some build in auth method in the car that only allows Tesla s to connect. | 49 | 21 | 1,728 |
7bkx0y | 49 | Always Struggling to Press that Small Icon to Open and Close my Garage Door. I Wonder how Hard it would be for Tesla to Increase the Icon Size. I know it can do it automatically but with three kids and a wife it opens or closes in the wrong direction 50% of the time. | Sell the kids fire the wife. | I know what you mean. I lean forward and rest my thumb against the trim piece on the left side of the display and then stretch over just a little to tap the button. | 31 | 2 | 1,729 |
7bl36x | 73 | Driving a Tesla in a restricted area Hello I work in a restricted area where recording is strictly forbidden. I had plans to buy a Tesla Model S within the next month but suddenly thought about how Teslas record a lot of data whenever the car is moving. Is there a way to completely turn off recording say when I get to the front gate? If there is is there a way to easily prove to the guards that it is not recording? Finally (this one is the least likely) is there a way to have the Tesla automatically stop collecting data when I get to the coordinates of where the gate is and resume data collection when I am leaving? Thanks in advance for your input. | Are you planning on driving your car into a SCIF? Park it in a parking lot like the rest of us. | I m not certain the cameras are recording in the traditional or even technical sense. They are processing information real-time and using that to provide safety and presumably EAP functions. I would turn off the option to share data with Tesla and consider the risk mitigated. While there is likely *some* amount of cache in-built into the image processing there is no evidence to support that this data is being saved locally in a way that you could call it a recording . Of course you have to decide the amount of risk you want to expose yourself to -- but having worked with peers in the exciting world of security compliance I would say often times the effort to mitigate a risk (i.e. disabling data sharing with Tesla) is as good as being compliant. | 49 | 4 | 1,730 |
7bl36x | 73 | Driving a Tesla in a restricted area Hello I work in a restricted area where recording is strictly forbidden. I had plans to buy a Tesla Model S within the next month but suddenly thought about how Teslas record a lot of data whenever the car is moving. Is there a way to completely turn off recording say when I get to the front gate? If there is is there a way to easily prove to the guards that it is not recording? Finally (this one is the least likely) is there a way to have the Tesla automatically stop collecting data when I get to the coordinates of where the gate is and resume data collection when I am leaving? Thanks in advance for your input. | All new cars sold are required to have backup cameras effective Jan 1 (almost all already do) so if there s a parking lot there s going to be recording. I might ask to clarify the policy but cameras were banned from facilities and when phones started including cameras it took *years* for most facilities to update their policy. A handful made you get a shitty BlackBerry without a camera but most just tolerated whatever phone you had even if it was technically against policy. | I m not certain the cameras are recording in the traditional or even technical sense. They are processing information real-time and using that to provide safety and presumably EAP functions. I would turn off the option to share data with Tesla and consider the risk mitigated. While there is likely *some* amount of cache in-built into the image processing there is no evidence to support that this data is being saved locally in a way that you could call it a recording . Of course you have to decide the amount of risk you want to expose yourself to -- but having worked with peers in the exciting world of security compliance I would say often times the effort to mitigate a risk (i.e. disabling data sharing with Tesla) is as good as being compliant. | 48 | 4 | 1,731 |
7bl36x | 73 | Driving a Tesla in a restricted area Hello I work in a restricted area where recording is strictly forbidden. I had plans to buy a Tesla Model S within the next month but suddenly thought about how Teslas record a lot of data whenever the car is moving. Is there a way to completely turn off recording say when I get to the front gate? If there is is there a way to easily prove to the guards that it is not recording? Finally (this one is the least likely) is there a way to have the Tesla automatically stop collecting data when I get to the coordinates of where the gate is and resume data collection when I am leaving? Thanks in advance for your input. | All new cars sold are required to have backup cameras effective Jan 1 (almost all already do) so if there s a parking lot there s going to be recording. I might ask to clarify the policy but cameras were banned from facilities and when phones started including cameras it took *years* for most facilities to update their policy. A handful made you get a shitty BlackBerry without a camera but most just tolerated whatever phone you had even if it was technically against policy. | I m surprised this is not talked about more often. Here in Germany we have nudist beaches aren t uncommon and people also walk around that around the parking spaces. | 48 | 5 | 1,732 |
7bor85 | 22 | Standard NEMA 14-50 outlet vs. Tesla Wall Connector If you have a single Tesla is there any advantage to get Tesla Wall Connector ($500) over a standard NEMA 14-50 outlet? Was planning on getting a dedicated 240V 50A circuit for the charger. | Wall connector looks so much better than a crappy plug in the wall. The chicks dig it. | My plan always was to get a wall connector for slightly faster charging and not having to take the mobile connector in and out but sounds like it won t be any benefit to a SR 3 so I think I ll just do the NEMA now and hope I eventually get over feeling like I need to have the mobile connector with me to go to the Taco Bell a mile away. | 30 | 3 | 1,733 |
7bor85 | 22 | Standard NEMA 14-50 outlet vs. Tesla Wall Connector If you have a single Tesla is there any advantage to get Tesla Wall Connector ($500) over a standard NEMA 14-50 outlet? Was planning on getting a dedicated 240V 50A circuit for the charger. | Wall connector looks so much better than a crappy plug in the wall. The chicks dig it. | I think the benefit of the HPWC is that it s hard wired so no unplugging it from the NEMA 14-50 over and over. In the case of it being outside like mine it means not having to plug unplug in the rain and no chance of someone unplugging it while charging to be a nuisance. Even if I was using a NEMA 14-50 in a garage I would want to leave it there and buy a second one to keep in the car but then the difference in price is so negligible that it makes sense to just buy the HPWC and get that installed. Of course the downside is that when I eventually move I have to disconnect all that to take it with me. By then might make more sense to just leave it and buy a new one. | 30 | 3 | 1,734 |
7bor85 | 22 | Standard NEMA 14-50 outlet vs. Tesla Wall Connector If you have a single Tesla is there any advantage to get Tesla Wall Connector ($500) over a standard NEMA 14-50 outlet? Was planning on getting a dedicated 240V 50A circuit for the charger. | Wall connector looks so much better than a crappy plug in the wall. The chicks dig it. | A model S or X can charge at 48 or 72A. A nema 14-50 can t put out that kind of juice so if you want everything that the car can do you need the wall connector. | 30 | 4 | 1,735 |
7csih3 | 32 | Prediction for the Tesla Semi launch I think that Telsa will drag race a loaded Tesla Semi with a modern sports car like a 911 turbo and have the Semi win (at least off the line). This will be one of the moments that Elon says will “blow your mind clear out of your skull and into an alternate dimension.” | An 80 000 lb semi drag racing a 911 turbo? Do you always set your sights this low? I predict they ll put the semi on the deck of an aircraft carrier and race a catapulted F-14 Tomcat. | If you notice in this [video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=sHNgSMhkoBk) it really moves quick for a big truck | 78 | 11 | 1,736 |
7csih3 | 32 | Prediction for the Tesla Semi launch I think that Telsa will drag race a loaded Tesla Semi with a modern sports car like a 911 turbo and have the Semi win (at least off the line). This will be one of the moments that Elon says will “blow your mind clear out of your skull and into an alternate dimension.” | An 80 000 lb semi drag racing a 911 turbo? Do you always set your sights this low? I predict they ll put the semi on the deck of an aircraft carrier and race a catapulted F-14 Tomcat. | Like the smart car promo where they had it race a bunch of fast cars in the quarter mile (and losing badly) but then showed the smart car winning right off the line? Because 0-15 matters more than 0-60 for most people? Edit: this one https: m.youtube.com watch?v=b1iJJZfB7i0 | 78 | 11 | 1,737 |
7csih3 | 32 | Prediction for the Tesla Semi launch I think that Telsa will drag race a loaded Tesla Semi with a modern sports car like a 911 turbo and have the Semi win (at least off the line). This will be one of the moments that Elon says will “blow your mind clear out of your skull and into an alternate dimension.” | I really hope they don t do any silly circus tricks like that. This will not impress potential clients and investors. They need to focus on the advantages of the truck that really matter such as low fuel cost low maintenance costs and a long warranty. | Tesla semi carrying a stack of 911 turbos beats a 911 turbo off the line. | 36 | 4 | 1,738 |
7dcgle | 331 | Semi Pre-Event Megathread Hey everyone! It s the Tesla Semi Reveal Event Day!! **Semi Event:** **Time**: [8pm Pacific Time](https: savvytime.com converter pt nov-16-2017 8pm) < < See the link to enter your local time. [Tesla Semi Teaser Page](https: www.tesla.com semi) Discuss your thoughts concerns questions anything Semi related! We will have a Post-Event Megathread posted soon after the start of the event. **Please keep all Semi-related posts and links in this thread.** In other news: SpaceX launch which was tonight also has been postponed to tomorrow. Shall be an eventful evening! **Edit:** ###[Official Live Stream here](https: livestream.tesla.com ) - Started music playing [Teaser image at the event of the Semi outline](https: i.imgur.com ENHeBE3.jpg) [Stream](https: www.pscp.tv w 1dRJZbVBkEvJB) from folks on the Talking Tesla Podcast **Edit 2**: We will make a Post-Event thread after the conclusion of the event. **Edit 3**: Time pushed back 15 min to 8:15pm. **Edit 4**: Stream officially started. Nice music. **Edit 5**: [Reservation pdf found](https: livestream.tesla.com assets TeslaSemiReservationAgreement_v20171116.pdf) - Thanks u therealmoju! **Edit 6**: [Costs possibly found](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7dcgle semi_preevent_megathread dpy029t ) by u moltar! **Edit 7**: [Base + Founders](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7dcgle semi_preevent_megathread dpy0tm1 ) versions found in some source code by u getkilled22! **Edit 8**: Finally! | Anyone else as confused as me? I m confused as to why I m so damn excited about a semi truck that I m never going to drive or buy. Why the hell am I excited about this? | Anyone know what the things sticking out each side are? (One pic is a screenshot from the video and the other is from the original invitation) http: imgur.com a Mke6s | 214 | 2 | 1,739 |
7dcgle | 331 | Semi Pre-Event Megathread Hey everyone! It s the Tesla Semi Reveal Event Day!! **Semi Event:** **Time**: [8pm Pacific Time](https: savvytime.com converter pt nov-16-2017 8pm) < < See the link to enter your local time. [Tesla Semi Teaser Page](https: www.tesla.com semi) Discuss your thoughts concerns questions anything Semi related! We will have a Post-Event Megathread posted soon after the start of the event. **Please keep all Semi-related posts and links in this thread.** In other news: SpaceX launch which was tonight also has been postponed to tomorrow. Shall be an eventful evening! **Edit:** ###[Official Live Stream here](https: livestream.tesla.com ) - Started music playing [Teaser image at the event of the Semi outline](https: i.imgur.com ENHeBE3.jpg) [Stream](https: www.pscp.tv w 1dRJZbVBkEvJB) from folks on the Talking Tesla Podcast **Edit 2**: We will make a Post-Event thread after the conclusion of the event. **Edit 3**: Time pushed back 15 min to 8:15pm. **Edit 4**: Stream officially started. Nice music. **Edit 5**: [Reservation pdf found](https: livestream.tesla.com assets TeslaSemiReservationAgreement_v20171116.pdf) - Thanks u therealmoju! **Edit 6**: [Costs possibly found](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7dcgle semi_preevent_megathread dpy029t ) by u moltar! **Edit 7**: [Base + Founders](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7dcgle semi_preevent_megathread dpy0tm1 ) versions found in some source code by u getkilled22! **Edit 8**: Finally! | Anyone else as confused as me? I m confused as to why I m so damn excited about a semi truck that I m never going to drive or buy. Why the hell am I excited about this? | 4AM UK time for those wondering. | 214 | 6 | 1,740 |
7dcgle | 331 | Semi Pre-Event Megathread Hey everyone! It s the Tesla Semi Reveal Event Day!! **Semi Event:** **Time**: [8pm Pacific Time](https: savvytime.com converter pt nov-16-2017 8pm) < < See the link to enter your local time. [Tesla Semi Teaser Page](https: www.tesla.com semi) Discuss your thoughts concerns questions anything Semi related! We will have a Post-Event Megathread posted soon after the start of the event. **Please keep all Semi-related posts and links in this thread.** In other news: SpaceX launch which was tonight also has been postponed to tomorrow. Shall be an eventful evening! **Edit:** ###[Official Live Stream here](https: livestream.tesla.com ) - Started music playing [Teaser image at the event of the Semi outline](https: i.imgur.com ENHeBE3.jpg) [Stream](https: www.pscp.tv w 1dRJZbVBkEvJB) from folks on the Talking Tesla Podcast **Edit 2**: We will make a Post-Event thread after the conclusion of the event. **Edit 3**: Time pushed back 15 min to 8:15pm. **Edit 4**: Stream officially started. Nice music. **Edit 5**: [Reservation pdf found](https: livestream.tesla.com assets TeslaSemiReservationAgreement_v20171116.pdf) - Thanks u therealmoju! **Edit 6**: [Costs possibly found](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7dcgle semi_preevent_megathread dpy029t ) by u moltar! **Edit 7**: [Base + Founders](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7dcgle semi_preevent_megathread dpy0tm1 ) versions found in some source code by u getkilled22! **Edit 8**: Finally! | Anyone else as confused as me? I m confused as to why I m so damn excited about a semi truck that I m never going to drive or buy. Why the hell am I excited about this? | Maybe he will also reveal the battery pack 3 the hype is real | 214 | 7 | 1,741 |
7dev5w | 291 | FYI: The House passed the Tax Reform bill which included the provision ending the EV tax credit The Senate version still has the EV tax credit but it s anyone s guess if the final version will still include it. | Good news is this is not law. The Senate bill keeps the credit in and the two chambers will have to reconcile this before its signed to law. So its not gone yet. | It also ends gas and oil subsidies too right? yeaaaaaaa right | 92 | 65 | 1,742 |
7dig2y | 898 | Tesla Semi Post Event Discussion Megathread #####Visit the Pre-Event Megathread [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7dcgle semi_preevent_megathread ). Well damn. ####[Tesla Semi Page](https: www.tesla.com semi) - Now Live ####[Tesla Roadster Page](https: www.tesla.com roadster ?redirect=no) - Now Live Roadster Album [1](https: imgur.com a snUwD ) + [2](https: imgur.com a oTPET ) from u Dieabetic Holy shit new Roadster. Oh my god. **Please keep posts and commentary here I know it ll be hard for folks! Discuss!!** ####[Watch the full event here!](https: livestream.tesla.com ) | **Summary:** [Semi](https: www.tesla.com semi ): - 500 mile (806 km) range at max weight - megacharging: 400 miles (644 km) per 30minutes - 5s to 60mph by itself 20s to 60mph full laden - autopilot standard (automatic emergency breaking lane keeping collision warning) - 65mph at 5% grade (as opposed to 45 mph for diesel) at max weight - production 2019 - brakes last a very long time (regen does the heavy lifting) - 1 000 000 mile drive line guarantee - no chance of [jackknife](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Jackknifing). - 0.36 [drag coefficient](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Drag_coefficient) - thermo-nuclear explosion proof glass - frunk! - 4 independent motors on rear axles - price: ??? - 80 000lbs (36 287kg) gross vehicle weight - < 2 kWh mi - cost per mile is 20% better solo and 2x better in convoy better than rail. [Roadster 2](https: www.tesla.com roadster): - 1.9s 0-60 4.2s 0-100 mph. - \\> 250 mph (402 kph) top speed - 620 miles (998 km) of range - 200kwh pack - 4 seats - 10 000 NM torque - [AWD](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki All-wheel_drive) - Price: $200k (base) $250k (founders) Did I miss anything? | Only caught the last twenty minutes but i can t wait for the first time i see one of these bad Larry s on the roads | 498 | 9 | 1,743 |
7dig2y | 898 | Tesla Semi Post Event Discussion Megathread #####Visit the Pre-Event Megathread [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7dcgle semi_preevent_megathread ). Well damn. ####[Tesla Semi Page](https: www.tesla.com semi) - Now Live ####[Tesla Roadster Page](https: www.tesla.com roadster ?redirect=no) - Now Live Roadster Album [1](https: imgur.com a snUwD ) + [2](https: imgur.com a oTPET ) from u Dieabetic Holy shit new Roadster. Oh my god. **Please keep posts and commentary here I know it ll be hard for folks! Discuss!!** ####[Watch the full event here!](https: livestream.tesla.com ) | **Summary:** [Semi](https: www.tesla.com semi ): - 500 mile (806 km) range at max weight - megacharging: 400 miles (644 km) per 30minutes - 5s to 60mph by itself 20s to 60mph full laden - autopilot standard (automatic emergency breaking lane keeping collision warning) - 65mph at 5% grade (as opposed to 45 mph for diesel) at max weight - production 2019 - brakes last a very long time (regen does the heavy lifting) - 1 000 000 mile drive line guarantee - no chance of [jackknife](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Jackknifing). - 0.36 [drag coefficient](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Drag_coefficient) - thermo-nuclear explosion proof glass - frunk! - 4 independent motors on rear axles - price: ??? - 80 000lbs (36 287kg) gross vehicle weight - < 2 kWh mi - cost per mile is 20% better solo and 2x better in convoy better than rail. [Roadster 2](https: www.tesla.com roadster): - 1.9s 0-60 4.2s 0-100 mph. - \\> 250 mph (402 kph) top speed - 620 miles (998 km) of range - 200kwh pack - 4 seats - 10 000 NM torque - [AWD](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki All-wheel_drive) - Price: $200k (base) $250k (founders) Did I miss anything? | So 500 miles of range | 498 | 29 | 1,744 |
7dig2y | 898 | Tesla Semi Post Event Discussion Megathread #####Visit the Pre-Event Megathread [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7dcgle semi_preevent_megathread ). Well damn. ####[Tesla Semi Page](https: www.tesla.com semi) - Now Live ####[Tesla Roadster Page](https: www.tesla.com roadster ?redirect=no) - Now Live Roadster Album [1](https: imgur.com a snUwD ) + [2](https: imgur.com a oTPET ) from u Dieabetic Holy shit new Roadster. Oh my god. **Please keep posts and commentary here I know it ll be hard for folks! Discuss!!** ####[Watch the full event here!](https: livestream.tesla.com ) | **Summary:** [Semi](https: www.tesla.com semi ): - 500 mile (806 km) range at max weight - megacharging: 400 miles (644 km) per 30minutes - 5s to 60mph by itself 20s to 60mph full laden - autopilot standard (automatic emergency breaking lane keeping collision warning) - 65mph at 5% grade (as opposed to 45 mph for diesel) at max weight - production 2019 - brakes last a very long time (regen does the heavy lifting) - 1 000 000 mile drive line guarantee - no chance of [jackknife](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Jackknifing). - 0.36 [drag coefficient](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Drag_coefficient) - thermo-nuclear explosion proof glass - frunk! - 4 independent motors on rear axles - price: ??? - 80 000lbs (36 287kg) gross vehicle weight - < 2 kWh mi - cost per mile is 20% better solo and 2x better in convoy better than rail. [Roadster 2](https: www.tesla.com roadster): - 1.9s 0-60 4.2s 0-100 mph. - \\> 250 mph (402 kph) top speed - 620 miles (998 km) of range - 200kwh pack - 4 seats - 10 000 NM torque - [AWD](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki All-wheel_drive) - Price: $200k (base) $250k (founders) Did I miss anything? | So how much is it? | 498 | 37 | 1,745 |
7dijbt | 8,353 | I think we can all agree that tonight s unveil was the greatest Tesla event so far. It just kept going... Electric truck that beats a diesel truck in almost every measurable way? Not enough. New electric Roadster that does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds also happens to be the quickest production car in history. | Yeah unfortunately I expect they won t be able to spring a surprise like *that* on us at every event | BAMF! | 1,996 | 555 | 1,746 |
7dijbt | 8,353 | I think we can all agree that tonight s unveil was the greatest Tesla event so far. It just kept going... Electric truck that beats a diesel truck in almost every measurable way? Not enough. New electric Roadster that does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds also happens to be the quickest production car in history. | The new Tesla Roadster Founders Edition costs $250k paid up-front and only 1 000 are made. In other words Tesla just put $250 million in the bank by rubbing rich peoples egos. Slow. Clap. | I missed it anybody know where I can rewatch it? | 1,151 | 2 | 1,747 |
7dijbt | 8,353 | I think we can all agree that tonight s unveil was the greatest Tesla event so far. It just kept going... Electric truck that beats a diesel truck in almost every measurable way? Not enough. New electric Roadster that does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds also happens to be the quickest production car in history. | The new Tesla Roadster Founders Edition costs $250k paid up-front and only 1 000 are made. In other words Tesla just put $250 million in the bank by rubbing rich peoples egos. Slow. Clap. | so... 140 kwh battery for s x likely | 1,151 | 4 | 1,748 |
7dilgx | 1,395 | The point of doing this is to just give a hardcore smackdown to gasoline cars. —Elon Musk The subsequent panning to the cheering audience brought tears to my eyes. Tesla is *fucking* amazing and so is *everyone* who believes in them. | I ve said it before but as someone who outright can t afford a new car let alone a Tesla thank you to everyone who can! It s because of you brave pioneers that Musk can continue to be outrageous and futuristic.. thank you guys seriously. Be aware that a lot of people are very thankful that you have chosen such a car and support such a brand! | I wonder what this will do to the sales of $ 1 million+ sports cars. You can buy a Tesla Roadster & S 3 X for less than half the price of a Chiron or Agera. | 206 | 5 | 1,749 |
7dilgx | 1,395 | The point of doing this is to just give a hardcore smackdown to gasoline cars. —Elon Musk The subsequent panning to the cheering audience brought tears to my eyes. Tesla is *fucking* amazing and so is *everyone* who believes in them. | I ve said it before but as someone who outright can t afford a new car let alone a Tesla thank you to everyone who can! It s because of you brave pioneers that Musk can continue to be outrageous and futuristic.. thank you guys seriously. Be aware that a lot of people are very thankful that you have chosen such a car and support such a brand! | ###& #009 ######& #009 ####& #009 Acronyms initialisms abbreviations contractions and other phrases which expand to something larger that I ve seen in this thread: |Fewer Letters|More Letters| |-------|---------|---| |[AWD]( r TeslaMotors comments 7dilgx dq34nkd Last usage )|All Wheel Drive| |[BEV]( r TeslaMotors comments 7dilgx dpyfbyy Last usage )|Battery Electric Vehicle| |[HP]( r TeslaMotors comments 7dilgx dq34nkd Last usage )|Horsepower unit of power 0.746kW| |[ICE]( r TeslaMotors comments 7dilgx dq34nkd Last usage )|Internal Combustion Engine or vehicle powered by same| |[P100D]( r TeslaMotors comments 7dilgx dpyo7rb Last usage )|100kWh battery dual motors available in Ludicrous only| |[P90DL]( r TeslaMotors comments 7dilgx dpym1p2 Last usage )|90kWh battery dual motors performance and Ludicrous upgrades| |[TS]( r TeslaMotors comments 7dilgx dpzfy0v Last usage )|Tesla model S| |[mpg]( r TeslaMotors comments 7dilgx dpy6pn5 Last usage )|Miles Per Gallon (Imperial mpg figures are 1.201 times higher than US)| ---------------- ^(8 acronyms in this thread )[^the ^most ^compressed ^thread ^commented ^on ^today]( r TeslaMotors comments 7e2ze2)^( has 18 acronyms.) ^([Thread #2689 for this sub first seen 17th Nov 2017 07:48]) [^\\[FAQ\\]](http: decronym.xyz ) [^\\[Full ^list\\]](http: decronym.xyz acronyms TeslaMotors) [^\\[Contact\\]](https: reddit.com message compose?to=OrangeredStilton& subject=Hey +your+acronym+bot+sucks) [^\\[Source ^code\\]](https: gist.github.com Two9A 1d976f9b7441694162c8) | 206 | 6 | 1,750 |
7dilgx | 1,395 | The point of doing this is to just give a hardcore smackdown to gasoline cars. —Elon Musk The subsequent panning to the cheering audience brought tears to my eyes. Tesla is *fucking* amazing and so is *everyone* who believes in them. | I ve said it before but as someone who outright can t afford a new car let alone a Tesla thank you to everyone who can! It s because of you brave pioneers that Musk can continue to be outrageous and futuristic.. thank you guys seriously. Be aware that a lot of people are very thankful that you have chosen such a car and support such a brand! | I m a for EV cars but I don t want to see gas car companies burn . We are going to need the for the transition period. Also the employ a lot of people. I don t want to see them lose their jobs. I hope they can transition smoothly. | 206 | 7 | 1,751 |
7dirwf | 105 | Roadster reservation revenue vs new stock issue Roadster is $200k with a $50k reservation fee. Founders edition is $250k with a $250k reservation fee limited to 1 000 cars. If all the founder spots are taken there s a cool quarter of a billion $ s. Hell of a revenue raise... | You d be surprised how many people were putting down deposits on the Roadster at the event today... | Where is the price posted? | 82 | 3 | 1,752 |
7dirwf | 105 | Roadster reservation revenue vs new stock issue Roadster is $200k with a $50k reservation fee. Founders edition is $250k with a $250k reservation fee limited to 1 000 cars. If all the founder spots are taken there s a cool quarter of a billion $ s. Hell of a revenue raise... | You d be surprised how many people were putting down deposits on the Roadster at the event today... | Great timing too. This delays cash issues so the next revenue raise will be a bit futher down the line after Model 3 production gets sorted out. That should be better for Optics and investor confidence. | 82 | 18 | 1,753 |
7dirwf | 105 | Roadster reservation revenue vs new stock issue Roadster is $200k with a $50k reservation fee. Founders edition is $250k with a $250k reservation fee limited to 1 000 cars. If all the founder spots are taken there s a cool quarter of a billion $ s. Hell of a revenue raise... | I m trying to figure out how to scrape together $250k... for a car... reservation. Anyone want to buy an original Roadster (signature 100) and a kidney? Both in good condition. | Great timing too. This delays cash issues so the next revenue raise will be a bit futher down the line after Model 3 production gets sorted out. That should be better for Optics and investor confidence. | 75 | 18 | 1,754 |
7dpd3a | 26 | Roadster Gen. 2 is technically a P200T (vs. Model S P100D) Performance 200kWh and triple motors vs Performance 100kWh and dual motors | Watched that MKBHD video is see | Will there be a Maximum Plaid upgrade to make it a P200TMP? | 30 | 2 | 1,755 |
7dpd3a | 26 | Roadster Gen. 2 is technically a P200T (vs. Model S P100D) Performance 200kWh and triple motors vs Performance 100kWh and dual motors | Watched that MKBHD video is see | PSOOT. Like the sound it makes when doing a launch. | 30 | 3 | 1,756 |
7dq6yj | 225 | May we all appreciate how great the execution of the next gen Roadster reveal was. Thanks to all those involved and with keeping it a secret. ♥️ Some people may have suspected - ^^I ^^personally ^^didn t - and were right but as far as I know it was never leaked or confirmed. Made for a really great event. | Yup and it was very well done. As soon as we heard Plaid they immediately dropped the trailer back music ramps fell... Everyone lost their minds and they played it out perfectly in sync with how fast our minds were running. Kudos to everyone involved. I keep going back to watch that magical moment. | Where do they do development driving of the Tesla Roadster? I think we re going to see more testing of it in the wild now. | 42 | 12 | 1,757 |
7dtljf | 473 | Friendly Reminder that Elon Musk s original production goal during the Model 3 Unveiling was 5k wk by late 2018 10k wk by 2020. I ve been noticing a lot of people casting doubt over the Semi Roadster unveiling because Model 3 is delayed. So I think it s important to remind people that when Model 3 was unveiled their target production rates were 5k wk by the *end of* 2018 and 10k week by end of 2020. [Tesla didnt start guiding for faster production rates until 18 months ago in response to the unexpectedly large number of Model 3 reservation deposits.](https: www.reuters.com article us-tesla-results tesla-puts-pedal-to-the-metal-500000-cars-planned-in-2018-idUSKCN0XV2JL) So they set aggressive new targets to try to increase their production ramp by 2 years and so far we know that has been delayed by 3 months. I noticed people keep pushing this narrative that somehow Tesla is bad at production ramps because they didn t meet their secondary ambitious best-case-scenario targets. But this is the exact same argument people were making 2 years ago [when people thought it was unbelievable that Tesla could reach 10k week production by 2020 for S 3 X combined.](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=52rBJ-kQ2lw) I know many people who participate in these conversations are new to the sub and are trying to be proactive about representing both side of the story and I think that s very good but I don t think people fully appreciate how much of the information they receive does not fairly represent history. Yes Tesla dropped the ball and embarrassed themselves by missing their revised Model 3 production guidance. But at the strategic level Tesla is doing quite well and still on track to complete their originally unveiled Model 3 production ramp *years* ahead of initial targets. EDIT: I understand that in the real world if someone is late to a meeting it s annoying. We understand it s annoying **because of the opportunity cost**. You will never get that time back and you could have been doing something else. In the case of the Model 3 production there isn t nearly as much opportunity cost involved. The people who wanted Model 3 are still going to get their Model 3 most of us will get it sooner than originally expected and there are not a lot of similarly desirable cars that could have been purchased instead. I agree that it s super disappointing to get excited by something only to be let down. I just want to maintain some perspective here especially in response to all the skepticism surrounding the Semi Roadster unveiling. | I think people also forget there is more to Tesla than Elon. The manufacturing team is different than the design team. The prototypes of the semi and Plaid Roadster were hand-built (likely) and wouldn t have stolen many resources from those devoting their energy to fixing Model 3 bottlenecks. All require different types of expertise. | To be fair if everyone is waiting to throw me a birthday party (this analogy is already unrealistic) and I normally get home from work at 8 then say “actually i can definitely get there at 5” but then at 4:45 I call and say “gonna be there at around 5:15 probably.”... that doesn t make me early. I m still late just differently so. The party still happens when i show up but people will get annoyed for having to stand around. Because they won t party until I m there i guess? Or something. Maybe I m bringing the booze to the party. I shouldn t post in the morning. | 160 | 38 | 1,758 |
7dtljf | 473 | Friendly Reminder that Elon Musk s original production goal during the Model 3 Unveiling was 5k wk by late 2018 10k wk by 2020. I ve been noticing a lot of people casting doubt over the Semi Roadster unveiling because Model 3 is delayed. So I think it s important to remind people that when Model 3 was unveiled their target production rates were 5k wk by the *end of* 2018 and 10k week by end of 2020. [Tesla didnt start guiding for faster production rates until 18 months ago in response to the unexpectedly large number of Model 3 reservation deposits.](https: www.reuters.com article us-tesla-results tesla-puts-pedal-to-the-metal-500000-cars-planned-in-2018-idUSKCN0XV2JL) So they set aggressive new targets to try to increase their production ramp by 2 years and so far we know that has been delayed by 3 months. I noticed people keep pushing this narrative that somehow Tesla is bad at production ramps because they didn t meet their secondary ambitious best-case-scenario targets. But this is the exact same argument people were making 2 years ago [when people thought it was unbelievable that Tesla could reach 10k week production by 2020 for S 3 X combined.](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=52rBJ-kQ2lw) I know many people who participate in these conversations are new to the sub and are trying to be proactive about representing both side of the story and I think that s very good but I don t think people fully appreciate how much of the information they receive does not fairly represent history. Yes Tesla dropped the ball and embarrassed themselves by missing their revised Model 3 production guidance. But at the strategic level Tesla is doing quite well and still on track to complete their originally unveiled Model 3 production ramp *years* ahead of initial targets. EDIT: I understand that in the real world if someone is late to a meeting it s annoying. We understand it s annoying **because of the opportunity cost**. You will never get that time back and you could have been doing something else. In the case of the Model 3 production there isn t nearly as much opportunity cost involved. The people who wanted Model 3 are still going to get their Model 3 most of us will get it sooner than originally expected and there are not a lot of similarly desirable cars that could have been purchased instead. I agree that it s super disappointing to get excited by something only to be let down. I just want to maintain some perspective here especially in response to all the skepticism surrounding the Semi Roadster unveiling. | I think people also forget there is more to Tesla than Elon. The manufacturing team is different than the design team. The prototypes of the semi and Plaid Roadster were hand-built (likely) and wouldn t have stolen many resources from those devoting their energy to fixing Model 3 bottlenecks. All require different types of expertise. | Well said. A lot of people do forget this. Every production ramp had issues. | 160 | 52 | 1,759 |
7dtljf | 473 | Friendly Reminder that Elon Musk s original production goal during the Model 3 Unveiling was 5k wk by late 2018 10k wk by 2020. I ve been noticing a lot of people casting doubt over the Semi Roadster unveiling because Model 3 is delayed. So I think it s important to remind people that when Model 3 was unveiled their target production rates were 5k wk by the *end of* 2018 and 10k week by end of 2020. [Tesla didnt start guiding for faster production rates until 18 months ago in response to the unexpectedly large number of Model 3 reservation deposits.](https: www.reuters.com article us-tesla-results tesla-puts-pedal-to-the-metal-500000-cars-planned-in-2018-idUSKCN0XV2JL) So they set aggressive new targets to try to increase their production ramp by 2 years and so far we know that has been delayed by 3 months. I noticed people keep pushing this narrative that somehow Tesla is bad at production ramps because they didn t meet their secondary ambitious best-case-scenario targets. But this is the exact same argument people were making 2 years ago [when people thought it was unbelievable that Tesla could reach 10k week production by 2020 for S 3 X combined.](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=52rBJ-kQ2lw) I know many people who participate in these conversations are new to the sub and are trying to be proactive about representing both side of the story and I think that s very good but I don t think people fully appreciate how much of the information they receive does not fairly represent history. Yes Tesla dropped the ball and embarrassed themselves by missing their revised Model 3 production guidance. But at the strategic level Tesla is doing quite well and still on track to complete their originally unveiled Model 3 production ramp *years* ahead of initial targets. EDIT: I understand that in the real world if someone is late to a meeting it s annoying. We understand it s annoying **because of the opportunity cost**. You will never get that time back and you could have been doing something else. In the case of the Model 3 production there isn t nearly as much opportunity cost involved. The people who wanted Model 3 are still going to get their Model 3 most of us will get it sooner than originally expected and there are not a lot of similarly desirable cars that could have been purchased instead. I agree that it s super disappointing to get excited by something only to be let down. I just want to maintain some perspective here especially in response to all the skepticism surrounding the Semi Roadster unveiling. | That s not how the real world works. You can t say well their initial plan years ago was x so according to that they are still on track when they gave updated timelines more recently and failed those more recent timelines. | Far more than any predictions I worry about burn rate. [this guy](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7bsmqo tesla_model_3_production_reached_440_units_to dpkragg ) summarized my fears far better than I can. I am a huge fan of Elon and a big believer that a man s reach should exceed his grasp but I *really* want to see some *profitable* production ASAP! EDIT: fixed link (was to my reply rather than comment I was trying to link) | 35 | 8 | 1,760 |
7dv2tj | 216 | Did Tesla have a third reveal at the Semi event that went under the radar and perhaps is the biggest news of all? A few months back Elon had announced they were getting close to major advancements in battery technology to include the battery cell density. I think the Semi and Roadster reveal was basically proof they have reached that breakthrough even if not in production scale yet. So current weight of the Tesla 100 kWh battery pack comes in at 1300 lbs so I m just going off of those numbers as a reference for getting weights for larger packs. If the Roadster has a 200 kWh pack the batteries alone would come in at 2600 lbs and if you figure on an other 1200 lbs for the rest of the vehicle you re at 3800 lbs still manageable for a launch weight with the torque the car has but it s such a small car without a much denser power pack it would be hard to shoehorn all those batts into that small frame. As for the Semi most numbers I ve seen thrown out with about a 2 kWh per mile usage would put he battery in the 1 MWh range. Size isn t as much of a factor with the Semi but weight would put a hit in he overall load it could haul. At a full order of magnitude in size over the 100 kWh pack it would weigh in at 13 000 lbs. With many standard trucks weighing in the 40k lbs range empty you could lose around 25% of your hauling capabilities with that heavy of a battery pack. It could still come in at a cheaper operating cost with a smaller load for a fleet operator but more expensive for a independent operator due to being able to haul less per trip when they are limited by the number of trips they can make on their own. Cost would be another factor too with a full 1 MWh pack with most people trying to tear down the Semi saying the batteries would cost over $300-400k alone. So I m thinking that Tesla thinks they can implement batteries that are significantly cheaper lighter and smaller than they are currently producing at full scale today. And for the concept version of the vehicles to work like they did the other night I would say they are already able to build these packs albeit probably not cheaper and in limited quantities. The implications if true would be cheaper cars and longer range in a few years time. I d also say they have advanced battery and motor cooling too they were taking person after person on the Roadster test drive at the event and doing dozens of hard launches. I couldn t imagine many hyper cars doing what the Roadster did without having to take a few cooling off breaks or breaking down. | I was thinking the same thing that new roadster is tiny where did they squeeze a 200kWh battery into that thing. That would be hard to do even in a Model S. | I agree this was the biggest news of the reveal Tesla is confident significant improvements in battery density are entering production over the coming year or two. | 81 | 6 | 1,761 |
7dv2tj | 216 | Did Tesla have a third reveal at the Semi event that went under the radar and perhaps is the biggest news of all? A few months back Elon had announced they were getting close to major advancements in battery technology to include the battery cell density. I think the Semi and Roadster reveal was basically proof they have reached that breakthrough even if not in production scale yet. So current weight of the Tesla 100 kWh battery pack comes in at 1300 lbs so I m just going off of those numbers as a reference for getting weights for larger packs. If the Roadster has a 200 kWh pack the batteries alone would come in at 2600 lbs and if you figure on an other 1200 lbs for the rest of the vehicle you re at 3800 lbs still manageable for a launch weight with the torque the car has but it s such a small car without a much denser power pack it would be hard to shoehorn all those batts into that small frame. As for the Semi most numbers I ve seen thrown out with about a 2 kWh per mile usage would put he battery in the 1 MWh range. Size isn t as much of a factor with the Semi but weight would put a hit in he overall load it could haul. At a full order of magnitude in size over the 100 kWh pack it would weigh in at 13 000 lbs. With many standard trucks weighing in the 40k lbs range empty you could lose around 25% of your hauling capabilities with that heavy of a battery pack. It could still come in at a cheaper operating cost with a smaller load for a fleet operator but more expensive for a independent operator due to being able to haul less per trip when they are limited by the number of trips they can make on their own. Cost would be another factor too with a full 1 MWh pack with most people trying to tear down the Semi saying the batteries would cost over $300-400k alone. So I m thinking that Tesla thinks they can implement batteries that are significantly cheaper lighter and smaller than they are currently producing at full scale today. And for the concept version of the vehicles to work like they did the other night I would say they are already able to build these packs albeit probably not cheaper and in limited quantities. The implications if true would be cheaper cars and longer range in a few years time. I d also say they have advanced battery and motor cooling too they were taking person after person on the Roadster test drive at the event and doing dozens of hard launches. I couldn t imagine many hyper cars doing what the Roadster did without having to take a few cooling off breaks or breaking down. | I was thinking the same thing that new roadster is tiny where did they squeeze a 200kWh battery into that thing. That would be hard to do even in a Model S. | I suspected the same thing with in mins. of reading the specs. | 81 | 8 | 1,762 |
7dv2tj | 216 | Did Tesla have a third reveal at the Semi event that went under the radar and perhaps is the biggest news of all? A few months back Elon had announced they were getting close to major advancements in battery technology to include the battery cell density. I think the Semi and Roadster reveal was basically proof they have reached that breakthrough even if not in production scale yet. So current weight of the Tesla 100 kWh battery pack comes in at 1300 lbs so I m just going off of those numbers as a reference for getting weights for larger packs. If the Roadster has a 200 kWh pack the batteries alone would come in at 2600 lbs and if you figure on an other 1200 lbs for the rest of the vehicle you re at 3800 lbs still manageable for a launch weight with the torque the car has but it s such a small car without a much denser power pack it would be hard to shoehorn all those batts into that small frame. As for the Semi most numbers I ve seen thrown out with about a 2 kWh per mile usage would put he battery in the 1 MWh range. Size isn t as much of a factor with the Semi but weight would put a hit in he overall load it could haul. At a full order of magnitude in size over the 100 kWh pack it would weigh in at 13 000 lbs. With many standard trucks weighing in the 40k lbs range empty you could lose around 25% of your hauling capabilities with that heavy of a battery pack. It could still come in at a cheaper operating cost with a smaller load for a fleet operator but more expensive for a independent operator due to being able to haul less per trip when they are limited by the number of trips they can make on their own. Cost would be another factor too with a full 1 MWh pack with most people trying to tear down the Semi saying the batteries would cost over $300-400k alone. So I m thinking that Tesla thinks they can implement batteries that are significantly cheaper lighter and smaller than they are currently producing at full scale today. And for the concept version of the vehicles to work like they did the other night I would say they are already able to build these packs albeit probably not cheaper and in limited quantities. The implications if true would be cheaper cars and longer range in a few years time. I d also say they have advanced battery and motor cooling too they were taking person after person on the Roadster test drive at the event and doing dozens of hard launches. I couldn t imagine many hyper cars doing what the Roadster did without having to take a few cooling off breaks or breaking down. | I was thinking the same thing that new roadster is tiny where did they squeeze a 200kWh battery into that thing. That would be hard to do even in a Model S. | A 1000kWh battery would be 1mWh not 1gWh. | 81 | 9 | 1,763 |
7dybkf | 222 | FYI heard from little birdy Model 3 production up to 70-80 day Obviously can t reveal source or verify to you all but person does have supposed inside knowledge. Take it as you will but if true sounds good for ramp up | I hope your birdy is right. | As long as they reach 100 day by Dec 1st. | 37 | 6 | 1,764 |
7e4lq4 | 75 | Semi reveal was about the next phase - not a distraction. This may seem obvious but some here and some in the media are claiming the event was timed to distract from Model 3 ramp issues... I m saying it was about the next phase for the following reasons:- * the products were ready the reveal was always happening about that time.... * IMO Tesla were hoping to be out of production hell by October hence proceeding to the next phase. * The products are next level * This type of distraction would never work no one has forgotten about the Model 3 ramp... As a further bit of speculation ..... the reveal event started late because someone was having to much fun driving the Roadster :) | Yeah the distraction theory is stupid. What it s going to buy them a week of good press? For what? The 3 will be fine and then they ll start working on building the 2 new vehicles. I hope they re also working on the Y in the background... I figured that would be relatively easy if they re using the 3 platform. Just need a factory :) | The most factual explanation to the late start I have heard. Good detective work on that one! :-) | 29 | 2 | 1,765 |
7eaolb | 51 | An observation about manufacturing the Roadster 2 and Semi One thing I ve noticed that we re not really discussing is the fact that the Roadster 2 and the Semi are using a lot of parts from other Tesla products. The Roadster 2 *appears* to use two 100 kwh Model S X battery packs. The semi appears to be using four Model 3 motors. Some people have said The Roadster is just a derivative of the Model S like it s a bad thing. Personally I love the parts-bin engineering. Major automakers have been sharing parts (especially drivetrains) across models and lines for a very long time. I think this is Tesla getting more into more traditional manufacturing where they can produce motors and battery packs independently and just drop them into the chassis they need to build. I consider this a sign of more manufacturing maturity than Tesla typically shows. What do you think? | Roadster 2 cannot be using Model S X battery packs. The roadster is smaller than Model 3 and Model S X were nearly maxed out with 18650 cells. It has to be something that is improved over S X and likely an improvement over the 2170 s in the Model 3 packs. | I like parts bin engineering a bunch. I don t know that it shows maturity or not but it is very smart if you can do it. | 41 | 12 | 1,766 |
7ehb7k | 87 | Why is the roadster priced at 200 000$ which seems an awful lot cheaper than the comparable cars? The large part of the appeal of a supercar is in its exclusivety so unless they limit the supply it s image would be hit. But if they don t do the high sales required at the lower margins it would mean reduced profits. Seems a catch 22 situation. Can anyone explain the rationale? | It s because Tesla wants to eventually make money. Million dollar limited run cars are not profitable. They need a halo car that they can produce at a profit similar to Porsche s 911 Turbo Series. | yeah that was my first thought too. It is ridiculously cheap. But on the other hand a smart move. This car will sell like hell. If they make good profit on it it will be a gold mine. What the other car builders do? Who cares ) | 137 | 4 | 1,767 |
7ehb7k | 87 | Why is the roadster priced at 200 000$ which seems an awful lot cheaper than the comparable cars? The large part of the appeal of a supercar is in its exclusivety so unless they limit the supply it s image would be hit. But if they don t do the high sales required at the lower margins it would mean reduced profits. Seems a catch 22 situation. Can anyone explain the rationale? | It s because Tesla wants to eventually make money. Million dollar limited run cars are not profitable. They need a halo car that they can produce at a profit similar to Porsche s 911 Turbo Series. | I guess Telsa think they can sell a lot of cars and make a good margin at that price.... Profit = (margin * volume) - expenses. Assuming expenses remain constant it is better to sell 1 500 cars at 30 000 profit than 10 cars at 700 000 profit... Get into that supercar territory competition is strong brands are established and it is hard to build good sales volumes for a new brand. That s my guess. | 137 | 21 | 1,768 |
7ehb7k | 87 | Why is the roadster priced at 200 000$ which seems an awful lot cheaper than the comparable cars? The large part of the appeal of a supercar is in its exclusivety so unless they limit the supply it s image would be hit. But if they don t do the high sales required at the lower margins it would mean reduced profits. Seems a catch 22 situation. Can anyone explain the rationale? | It s because Tesla wants to eventually make money. Million dollar limited run cars are not profitable. They need a halo car that they can produce at a profit similar to Porsche s 911 Turbo Series. | Disruption on specs and price | 137 | 27 | 1,769 |
7ej08w | 144 | I got this encouraging email from a Ferrari group I subscribe to... This is a nice sign that Electrics rule: > Dear FerrariChat user > > We re excited to announce a new online community dedicated to Electric Vehicles. Whether we all like it or not the future is here. Not only do electric cars offer mind blowing acceleration but also performance advantages in braking low center of gravity perfect balance and no transmission gearing. We ll see if the “dinosaur” traditional manufacturers and even Ferrari try to start competing in the market. Right now Tesla dominates with the mass produced Model S that has 2.2 seconds 0-60 and 315 mile range. Jennie has a Model S as daily driver and I have been so impressed by its performance although not even a “greenie”. I love the sounds my Italians make but at minimum it s interesting that the performance of $2 million dollar hypercars is being challenged by cars less than 1 10th the cost. It is going to be an interesting year 5 years and 10 years with the development of electric vehicles. Please join us at http: www.insideevsforum.com to share the enthusiasm or argue against the demise of Internal Combustion Engines. :) > > Thanks > Rob Lay > Founder > FerrariChat.com | That s actually really cool. It should also serve as a good reminder that the tribalism present both in here and other subreddits is a really bullshit notion. Everyone wants awesome cars and few *actually* care how it s achieved. | I guess the one big advantage suprecars have over Tesla is the rumble of the engine and sound. Oh the Chiron and Koenigseg... I d love to sit in those just as much as a Tesla Roadster | 89 | 19 | 1,770 |
7espop | 49 | First Model S road trip - Waste of Time Driving it up 350 miles from Southern California. Wasted 20 minutes waiting in line at Buena Park while charging only getting 107 mi hr - adding another 30 minutes to an assumed 30 minute charge time. Have to charge once more 100+ miles north and expecting similar delay. Compared to ICE car Model S road trip added 2-2.5 hrs delay. Disappointing experience :(. Edit 1: Interesting to read the comments. After completing the road trip Tesla infrastructure still needs a lot of work especially with the flood of model 3s in the near future. On the positive side autopilot was pretty amazing on the i-5 and through the 99 with rare hiccups. The car is sweet. | Tesla is working to reduce those waiting times we know that... but damn if it can t happen faster. Cali is always quite constrained. | This was my experience with a P90D Model X recently too. No matter what your needs are I think the 100D configuration is a must if you can afford it. It s also likely to hold its value a lot longer. | 53 | 5 | 1,771 |
7espop | 49 | First Model S road trip - Waste of Time Driving it up 350 miles from Southern California. Wasted 20 minutes waiting in line at Buena Park while charging only getting 107 mi hr - adding another 30 minutes to an assumed 30 minute charge time. Have to charge once more 100+ miles north and expecting similar delay. Compared to ICE car Model S road trip added 2-2.5 hrs delay. Disappointing experience :(. Edit 1: Interesting to read the comments. After completing the road trip Tesla infrastructure still needs a lot of work especially with the flood of model 3s in the near future. On the positive side autopilot was pretty amazing on the i-5 and through the 99 with rare hiccups. The car is sweet. | Tesla is working to reduce those waiting times we know that... but damn if it can t happen faster. Cali is always quite constrained. | As a rule of thumb it is best to supercharge outside of urban areas (at peak hours) as those are higher demand vs supply. I usually charge in Tejon Ranch (or Oxnard if going 101) which is still in range of LA but less busy. You can see a ton of planned superchargers in both the Bay Area and LA area.. just need to wait. It sucks but not every road trip will be that bad I think you got the worst case scenatio. | 53 | 6 | 1,772 |
7espop | 49 | First Model S road trip - Waste of Time Driving it up 350 miles from Southern California. Wasted 20 minutes waiting in line at Buena Park while charging only getting 107 mi hr - adding another 30 minutes to an assumed 30 minute charge time. Have to charge once more 100+ miles north and expecting similar delay. Compared to ICE car Model S road trip added 2-2.5 hrs delay. Disappointing experience :(. Edit 1: Interesting to read the comments. After completing the road trip Tesla infrastructure still needs a lot of work especially with the flood of model 3s in the near future. On the positive side autopilot was pretty amazing on the i-5 and through the 99 with rare hiccups. The car is sweet. | Tesla is working to reduce those waiting times we know that... but damn if it can t happen faster. Cali is always quite constrained. | Can you give more details of the trip? Sorry to hear but would love to hear more. | 53 | 7 | 1,773 |
7etzqu | 32 | Another case of sudden acceleration https: imgur.com a Jof8R My friend sent me these the story is that the Tesla accelerated suddenly into the van pushed it down a berm and the van landed on the roof. I m sure Tesla will pull the logs and find out what actually happened as usual. Edit: and by find out what actually happened I mean find out he pressed the accelerator and is blaming the car as is always the case. | The story is that someone fucked up and blamed the car because he s too much of a pussy to fess up to his mistake. | What the hell... like.. you know... what the hell?! I will never understand drivers who confuse pedals. Simply a sign that you might want to reconsider owning a driving license. | 55 | 6 | 1,774 |
7f0yzh | 83 | How tesla is raising 450 000 000+ right under our nose (genius) Tesla has just released founder series truck and roadster 200 000 for first 1000 full deposit required = 200 000 000 250 000 for first 1000 full deposit required = 250 000 000 Total = 450 000 000 Tesla is a smart company and is capatilizing on hype those worried about balance sheets should see that they have a plan in place and aren t just barreling towards a brick wall. Also this doesn t take into account 20 000 deposits on non founder trucks and 50 000 on the non founder roadster More then double raised during their IPO | Tesla spends 1b a quarter right now of their 4b cash pile so this is only 1.5 months more but when Tesla is making more model 3 s next quarter and (in my estimation) the spend rate drops to half it will add another quarter before a funds raise. Of course I think Tesla will be making enough model 3 s before they run out of cash so a funds raise is delayed or eliminated altogether. | People keep making big deals of the money from deposits. Their daily expenses are huge so this money doesn t go as far as you think. | 62 | 27 | 1,775 |
7f1fd1 | 723 | Giving thanks to our dedicated moderators 110110 dieabetic and FredTesla. Happy Turkey Day. and Happy Thanksgiving to all in this sub. | d aww Thank you! | Thanks for doing all that you do! I always why y all do this but I m thankful for all that you do! Thanks! | 108 | 4 | 1,776 |
7f1fd1 | 723 | Giving thanks to our dedicated moderators 110110 dieabetic and FredTesla. Happy Turkey Day. and Happy Thanksgiving to all in this sub. | d aww Thank you! | It shouldn t be that hard keeping 180k of the best and smartest people on the internet in line. :-P | 108 | 7 | 1,777 |
7f1fd1 | 723 | Giving thanks to our dedicated moderators 110110 dieabetic and FredTesla. Happy Turkey Day. and Happy Thanksgiving to all in this sub. | d aww Thank you! | dilly dilly | 108 | 15 | 1,778 |
7f28xv | 208 | Men s wedding band found at Petaluma CA Supercharger. Looking for the owner! Hello While I was charging my Tesla at the Supercharger in Petaluma CA this Thanksgiving morning my SO found a men s wedding band in the wood chips next to a trash can. We thought about leaving it there but chances are someone else would pick it up. We also didn t think that the owner would come claim it from a nearby store especially without any way to let them know where the ring was located. So we re reaching out here on Reddit to see if the owner (or someone who may know the owner) will see this post. It wouldn t be the first time that something like this has happened so we re hoping for the best! Please help spread the word if you can! Especially if you or someone you know has recently traveled around northern California. If you think this ring may be yours please message me with a description of it and we ll get it to you somehow! Thanks! | Call Tesla customer service as well. They not only have the ability to see who supercharged there today and the contact info to reach out to them they are also the number ***I*** would call to see if anyone found mine. | That scene from The Abyss might have happened. | 36 | 2 | 1,779 |
7f28xv | 208 | Men s wedding band found at Petaluma CA Supercharger. Looking for the owner! Hello While I was charging my Tesla at the Supercharger in Petaluma CA this Thanksgiving morning my SO found a men s wedding band in the wood chips next to a trash can. We thought about leaving it there but chances are someone else would pick it up. We also didn t think that the owner would come claim it from a nearby store especially without any way to let them know where the ring was located. So we re reaching out here on Reddit to see if the owner (or someone who may know the owner) will see this post. It wouldn t be the first time that something like this has happened so we re hoping for the best! Please help spread the word if you can! Especially if you or someone you know has recently traveled around northern California. If you think this ring may be yours please message me with a description of it and we ll get it to you somehow! Thanks! | Call Tesla customer service as well. They not only have the ability to see who supercharged there today and the contact info to reach out to them they are also the number ***I*** would call to see if anyone found mine. | Also make a post on Tesla Motors Club | 36 | 3 | 1,780 |
7f28xv | 208 | Men s wedding band found at Petaluma CA Supercharger. Looking for the owner! Hello While I was charging my Tesla at the Supercharger in Petaluma CA this Thanksgiving morning my SO found a men s wedding band in the wood chips next to a trash can. We thought about leaving it there but chances are someone else would pick it up. We also didn t think that the owner would come claim it from a nearby store especially without any way to let them know where the ring was located. So we re reaching out here on Reddit to see if the owner (or someone who may know the owner) will see this post. It wouldn t be the first time that something like this has happened so we re hoping for the best! Please help spread the word if you can! Especially if you or someone you know has recently traveled around northern California. If you think this ring may be yours please message me with a description of it and we ll get it to you somehow! Thanks! | Call Tesla customer service as well. They not only have the ability to see who supercharged there today and the contact info to reach out to them they are also the number ***I*** would call to see if anyone found mine. | Pair of glasses found at Indy Supercharger 3 years ago PM me if they are yours. | 36 | 7 | 1,781 |
7f4gl8 | 367 | Here s the Model 3 User Manual PDF edit: take this PDF with a grain of salt **this PDF was created on 9 12 2017 (and is thus over 2 months old)** according to metadata and u RUEHC I called up roadside assistance and asked for it. They sent an email containing the PDF right away. Pretty damn easy :) [Here it is](https: goo.gl DoKQWE) Happy Thanksgiving! Xoxoxoxo | A few nuggets I found... - 165 kW (220 HP) motor - The tire specs note a square and staggered option - plus rotors available - 2700 ft lb torque (3700 Nm) - towing trailers not permissable no trailer hitch option | Good stuff thanks!!! | 92 | 3 | 1,782 |
7f4gl8 | 367 | Here s the Model 3 User Manual PDF edit: take this PDF with a grain of salt **this PDF was created on 9 12 2017 (and is thus over 2 months old)** according to metadata and u RUEHC I called up roadside assistance and asked for it. They sent an email containing the PDF right away. Pretty damn easy :) [Here it is](https: goo.gl DoKQWE) Happy Thanksgiving! Xoxoxoxo | A few nuggets I found... - 165 kW (220 HP) motor - The tire specs note a square and staggered option - plus rotors available - 2700 ft lb torque (3700 Nm) - towing trailers not permissable no trailer hitch option | AWESOME!!!! Thanks! That answers two key questions that have been bugging me for awhile. I wanted to get the glass roof and a winter package (heated mirrors seats steering wheel) and was hoping both would be available a la carte. So there s good news and bad news for me. The good news is the glass roof appears to be standard on ALL Model 3s. From page 133: > Model 3 is equipped with a glass roof that supports the use of Tesla-approved roof racks using a mounting accessory that can be purchased from Tesla. The bad news for me at least is that it doesn t appear that the heated options are extricable from the Premium Package. From page 84 among others: > If equipped with the Premium Package the exterior side mirrors are also heated. | 92 | 3 | 1,783 |
7f4gl8 | 367 | Here s the Model 3 User Manual PDF edit: take this PDF with a grain of salt **this PDF was created on 9 12 2017 (and is thus over 2 months old)** according to metadata and u RUEHC I called up roadside assistance and asked for it. They sent an email containing the PDF right away. Pretty damn easy :) [Here it is](https: goo.gl DoKQWE) Happy Thanksgiving! Xoxoxoxo | A few nuggets I found... - 165 kW (220 HP) motor - The tire specs note a square and staggered option - plus rotors available - 2700 ft lb torque (3700 Nm) - towing trailers not permissable no trailer hitch option | Mwah! | 92 | 4 | 1,784 |
7f5acm | 27 | How much confidence do you have in Tesla being self driving within 12 months? To me this would make a big difference but at this point my confidence is not high. | There is absolutely no chance they will achieve self driving in 12 months. While driving always keep note of driving situations you encounter. And you will be amazed how many they are. Traffic lights stop signs pedestrian crossings highway merging highway exits round abouts super streets Michigan lefts box junctions jug handles hook turns Texas U turns traffic circles staggered junctions T intersections dealing with damn cyclists. And my S has yet to master keeping itself in its lane. Again no chance. | Since no one knows what it takes to do autonomous driving (level 4) it s impossible for anyone to say | 73 | 10 | 1,785 |
7f5acm | 27 | How much confidence do you have in Tesla being self driving within 12 months? To me this would make a big difference but at this point my confidence is not high. | There is absolutely no chance they will achieve self driving in 12 months. While driving always keep note of driving situations you encounter. And you will be amazed how many they are. Traffic lights stop signs pedestrian crossings highway merging highway exits round abouts super streets Michigan lefts box junctions jug handles hook turns Texas U turns traffic circles staggered junctions T intersections dealing with damn cyclists. And my S has yet to master keeping itself in its lane. Again no chance. | Not great Bob. To me it s kind of a seen as finish line too much though. Like it s some toggle switch that is or isn t. A year from now we could still be years out from FSD and not be driving the cars for like 90% of trips of any length. I don t see a big reason partial contextual fully self driving and the relaxed rules that come with it can t be a thing. I can t use my phone on a divided highway self driving cars know like the back of thier hoods because the car can t yet navigate heavy construction in a snowstorm in downtown Manhattan? That s kind of a weird place to stake the goalposts. | 73 | 15 | 1,786 |
7f5acm | 27 | How much confidence do you have in Tesla being self driving within 12 months? To me this would make a big difference but at this point my confidence is not high. | There is absolutely no chance they will achieve self driving in 12 months. While driving always keep note of driving situations you encounter. And you will be amazed how many they are. Traffic lights stop signs pedestrian crossings highway merging highway exits round abouts super streets Michigan lefts box junctions jug handles hook turns Texas U turns traffic circles staggered junctions T intersections dealing with damn cyclists. And my S has yet to master keeping itself in its lane. Again no chance. | 0.01% chance of level 4 within 12 months IMO. | 73 | 21 | 1,787 |
7f9vmd | 41 | Tesla Semi pricing implies battery pack cost under $100 kWh? Price difference of $30 000 for an extra 200 miles (500 miles - 300 miles range) with energy consumption of less than 2 kWh miles which is to say less than 400 kWh for the extra 200 miles. That s $30 000 400 kWh = **$75 per kWh** assuming Tesla doesn t even try to mark up the cost building new 2170 batteries into packs? Assuming an optimistic 1.5 kWh miles energy consumption. The price per kWh is still only $100. | That s the million dollar question. Is Tesla banking on a breakthrough by the time they start shipping trucks do they have an ace up their sleeve or are they just making them at a loss until it becomes economically feasible? | It s also just possible their margins are lower on the 500 mile version. But in general I think that the highly automated vertically integrated and massive scale of GF1 will drive pack level costs well below $100 kWh. It s kind of hard to appreciate the strategic advantage of GF1 until people see these prices. | 39 | 13 | 1,788 |
7fe0my | 1,068 | Anyone else seeing the obvious smear campaign against Tesla and Elon Musk that is going on through social media and seeping in to mainstream news? There is an obvious (and paid for) smear shill campaign against Tesla and Elon Musk by Wallstreet short-sellers and the oil industry. You can see it in the shill posts and comments around social media where they use the same talking points and use well-documented tactics to sow doubt and the illusion that Tesla is about to go under. See [this post] (https: np.reddit.com r worldnews comments 31wo57 the_chevron_tapes_video_shows_oil_giant_allegedly cq5uhse ) about how lobbyists pay PR companies to smear the competition. Such talking points I m seeing constantly being cycled include: - Tesla unable to scale up production - Tesla cars catching fire (you can thank the mainstream media for picking up this bullshit story and spreading it) - Autopilot causing accidents - Tesla making record quarterly losses (this one is particularly deceitful because the quarterly losses were forecast and planned due to scaling up production and these headlines make the reader think they are going under when in fact it is completely normal) - Tesla workforce issues (most recently that story about racism that was no more than what other large companies deal with on a daily basis) - Rumours of Elon leaving Tesla (As if he would) - Sowing doubt about Tesla cars range to spread range anxiety - General fud about Tesla s financial position - False assertions that Tesla cars produce more pollution than petrol cars due to electricity production and manufacturing Elon recently said in an interview that short-sellers have been doing this and have obvious financial incentives to do so. Given how much money short-sellers have now lost I believe they are going in to overdrive to bring the share price down at this critical juncture with the Model 3 going in to mass production. We need to make people aware of these efforts so that they don t believe this crap. | First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you and then you win. We re passed the oh it s just a couple of cars made by one company and we re passed the laughs and calling EVs golf carts. We re now at the fight stage and they re bad at it flailing like crazy and going rogue using feeling based arguments and ignoring science. Just a little more time it will be over in less than 2 presidential elections guaranteed. | Tesla fanatics do trend towards a persecution complex. Tesla takes risks and gets talked about a lot in the media because if it. Maybe I m being too obvious here but taking risks comes with it s share of risk and people are going to argue about that. I m not sure what else you were expecting. | 423 | 22 | 1,789 |
7fe0my | 1,068 | Anyone else seeing the obvious smear campaign against Tesla and Elon Musk that is going on through social media and seeping in to mainstream news? There is an obvious (and paid for) smear shill campaign against Tesla and Elon Musk by Wallstreet short-sellers and the oil industry. You can see it in the shill posts and comments around social media where they use the same talking points and use well-documented tactics to sow doubt and the illusion that Tesla is about to go under. See [this post] (https: np.reddit.com r worldnews comments 31wo57 the_chevron_tapes_video_shows_oil_giant_allegedly cq5uhse ) about how lobbyists pay PR companies to smear the competition. Such talking points I m seeing constantly being cycled include: - Tesla unable to scale up production - Tesla cars catching fire (you can thank the mainstream media for picking up this bullshit story and spreading it) - Autopilot causing accidents - Tesla making record quarterly losses (this one is particularly deceitful because the quarterly losses were forecast and planned due to scaling up production and these headlines make the reader think they are going under when in fact it is completely normal) - Tesla workforce issues (most recently that story about racism that was no more than what other large companies deal with on a daily basis) - Rumours of Elon leaving Tesla (As if he would) - Sowing doubt about Tesla cars range to spread range anxiety - General fud about Tesla s financial position - False assertions that Tesla cars produce more pollution than petrol cars due to electricity production and manufacturing Elon recently said in an interview that short-sellers have been doing this and have obvious financial incentives to do so. Given how much money short-sellers have now lost I believe they are going in to overdrive to bring the share price down at this critical juncture with the Model 3 going in to mass production. We need to make people aware of these efforts so that they don t believe this crap. | First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you and then you win. We re passed the oh it s just a couple of cars made by one company and we re passed the laughs and calling EVs golf carts. We re now at the fight stage and they re bad at it flailing like crazy and going rogue using feeling based arguments and ignoring science. Just a little more time it will be over in less than 2 presidential elections guaranteed. | It s been happening for years and will continue to happen for years. The good thing is that if really does not make a difference in Tesla s long term goal. This is all most likely coming from the Koch Brothers. | 423 | 65 | 1,790 |
7fe0my | 1,068 | Anyone else seeing the obvious smear campaign against Tesla and Elon Musk that is going on through social media and seeping in to mainstream news? There is an obvious (and paid for) smear shill campaign against Tesla and Elon Musk by Wallstreet short-sellers and the oil industry. You can see it in the shill posts and comments around social media where they use the same talking points and use well-documented tactics to sow doubt and the illusion that Tesla is about to go under. See [this post] (https: np.reddit.com r worldnews comments 31wo57 the_chevron_tapes_video_shows_oil_giant_allegedly cq5uhse ) about how lobbyists pay PR companies to smear the competition. Such talking points I m seeing constantly being cycled include: - Tesla unable to scale up production - Tesla cars catching fire (you can thank the mainstream media for picking up this bullshit story and spreading it) - Autopilot causing accidents - Tesla making record quarterly losses (this one is particularly deceitful because the quarterly losses were forecast and planned due to scaling up production and these headlines make the reader think they are going under when in fact it is completely normal) - Tesla workforce issues (most recently that story about racism that was no more than what other large companies deal with on a daily basis) - Rumours of Elon leaving Tesla (As if he would) - Sowing doubt about Tesla cars range to spread range anxiety - General fud about Tesla s financial position - False assertions that Tesla cars produce more pollution than petrol cars due to electricity production and manufacturing Elon recently said in an interview that short-sellers have been doing this and have obvious financial incentives to do so. Given how much money short-sellers have now lost I believe they are going in to overdrive to bring the share price down at this critical juncture with the Model 3 going in to mass production. We need to make people aware of these efforts so that they don t believe this crap. | #SeekingAlpha | What was the problem with the car catching fire? | 122 | 2 | 1,791 |
7fhuv7 | 32 | Thanksgiving at the factory My son and I were driving home after a late Thanksgiving dinner in Oakland California. Fremont was coming up and my son asked Do you mind if we go see if we can spot a Model 3 at the factory? He s on the waiting list and had yet to see one in person. I was a bit worried about getting tangled in Black Friday traffic at the Gilroy Outlets and it was getting late. However I too was curious and thinking there was a zero chance in Hell we d even get past the front gate I agreed to the detour figuring it wouldn t be long before we were back on the road. We got off at Cushing crossed over the freeway and turned right towards the factory. Sure enough there was a guarded gate but to my surprise my son turned right along a frontage road instead of approaching the gate. We drove south for a hundred yards or so and found an unguarded opening into the employee parking lot. A left turn and we were cruising in a mostly empty *giant* parking lot looking for a Model 3. We came up behind a car that was stopped by an oncoming car which we figured to be security. We waited a few seconds and the car in front of us pulled over to let us pass. Thinking we d be stopped there we drove forward. Sure enough the oncoming car was security and as it turned out was the car we had caught up to. Instead of being stopped by either of them they ignored us as we drove past. We drove another 100 yards or so and saw a slew of charging stations up next to the factory with several cars parked next to them. Since the lot was almost completely empty the clustered cars stood out. We drove over and started cruising past multiple Model Ses but no Threes. Looped back on the last lane and Lo! there was a lone white Model 3 charging. We got out admired the white paint job peeked through the window at the darkened interior walked around the car a couple more times and left. My son couldn t believe his luck and I couldn t believe how bizarre the parking lot security is to have multiple unguarded entrances along with a guarded entrance. I was a bit perplexed by the fact that there was just one Three charging. I would have thought there would have been several that rolled off assembly at the close of business on the prior Wednesday. Maybe they get their first charge elsewhere on the grounds and the one we saw was an employee s. The car was quite quite attractive. I started thinking about getting one in a few years when it s time to replace my 2005 Accord but then my son mentioned that my favorite car color white is $1000 extra. Along with a $1000 delivery fee coupled with the already high base price scotched that potential purchase. A self-driving car is *very* attractive but I can wait for the price to come down further. And who knows maybe [Rice University s Gilsonite battery](https: arstechnica.com science 2017 10 paving-the-way-for-a-lithium-battery-that-uses-an-asphalt-electrode ) will become a real thing which means the battery would last as long as my Accord has. Gilroy Outlet traffic turned out to be a non-issue - there wasn t any. I guess Bezos won the Black Friday wars. Hey Son if you re reading this post the picture you took. tl dr An old man s rambling story about his son seeing his first Model 3 at the factory. | > Hey Son if you re reading this post the picture you took Post has reached maximum dad. | actually the delivery center in Fremont usually has a bunch of model 3 for delivery and these cars just parked outside | 43 | 3 | 1,792 |
7fhuv7 | 32 | Thanksgiving at the factory My son and I were driving home after a late Thanksgiving dinner in Oakland California. Fremont was coming up and my son asked Do you mind if we go see if we can spot a Model 3 at the factory? He s on the waiting list and had yet to see one in person. I was a bit worried about getting tangled in Black Friday traffic at the Gilroy Outlets and it was getting late. However I too was curious and thinking there was a zero chance in Hell we d even get past the front gate I agreed to the detour figuring it wouldn t be long before we were back on the road. We got off at Cushing crossed over the freeway and turned right towards the factory. Sure enough there was a guarded gate but to my surprise my son turned right along a frontage road instead of approaching the gate. We drove south for a hundred yards or so and found an unguarded opening into the employee parking lot. A left turn and we were cruising in a mostly empty *giant* parking lot looking for a Model 3. We came up behind a car that was stopped by an oncoming car which we figured to be security. We waited a few seconds and the car in front of us pulled over to let us pass. Thinking we d be stopped there we drove forward. Sure enough the oncoming car was security and as it turned out was the car we had caught up to. Instead of being stopped by either of them they ignored us as we drove past. We drove another 100 yards or so and saw a slew of charging stations up next to the factory with several cars parked next to them. Since the lot was almost completely empty the clustered cars stood out. We drove over and started cruising past multiple Model Ses but no Threes. Looped back on the last lane and Lo! there was a lone white Model 3 charging. We got out admired the white paint job peeked through the window at the darkened interior walked around the car a couple more times and left. My son couldn t believe his luck and I couldn t believe how bizarre the parking lot security is to have multiple unguarded entrances along with a guarded entrance. I was a bit perplexed by the fact that there was just one Three charging. I would have thought there would have been several that rolled off assembly at the close of business on the prior Wednesday. Maybe they get their first charge elsewhere on the grounds and the one we saw was an employee s. The car was quite quite attractive. I started thinking about getting one in a few years when it s time to replace my 2005 Accord but then my son mentioned that my favorite car color white is $1000 extra. Along with a $1000 delivery fee coupled with the already high base price scotched that potential purchase. A self-driving car is *very* attractive but I can wait for the price to come down further. And who knows maybe [Rice University s Gilsonite battery](https: arstechnica.com science 2017 10 paving-the-way-for-a-lithium-battery-that-uses-an-asphalt-electrode ) will become a real thing which means the battery would last as long as my Accord has. Gilroy Outlet traffic turned out to be a non-issue - there wasn t any. I guess Bezos won the Black Friday wars. Hey Son if you re reading this post the picture you took. tl dr An old man s rambling story about his son seeing his first Model 3 at the factory. | > Hey Son if you re reading this post the picture you took Post has reached maximum dad. | You could always look into getting a used one later on. :) | 43 | 3 | 1,793 |
7fql9w | 25 | Question: besides battery prices what prevents Tesla from building a $9 995 car like a Spark? No concerns about reliability since the battery and motor are inherently more durable than ICE drivetrains. So you ve got a reliable new car that costs $10k power is free with a few (4-6) solar panels. At that price anyone could buy a new car with just a 2-year loan or even cash. And of course the inside can be spacious - the front seat can be like one big couch eliminate the dashboard for more legroom.. Is it even possible to make a profit on a Chevy Spark? | Scale. The number of cars you would have to build in order to be profitable would be pretty astounding. The upfront cost to meet demand for that price point is entry prohibitive. Follow the formula Build expensive car with low demand use profit to build cheaper car with little more demand and so on. This allows engineering and factory build-out to happen in tandem with demand. | Low profit margins maybe? Every new model they make is nearly a new production line they have to invest in. | 43 | 5 | 1,794 |
7fql9w | 25 | Question: besides battery prices what prevents Tesla from building a $9 995 car like a Spark? No concerns about reliability since the battery and motor are inherently more durable than ICE drivetrains. So you ve got a reliable new car that costs $10k power is free with a few (4-6) solar panels. At that price anyone could buy a new car with just a 2-year loan or even cash. And of course the inside can be spacious - the front seat can be like one big couch eliminate the dashboard for more legroom.. Is it even possible to make a profit on a Chevy Spark? | > what prevents Tesla from building a $9 995 car like a Spark? From a technical capability standpoint: nothing. From a business logic standpoint: everything. 1. 400 000 people in line for their Model 3s. 2. Profit margin would be slim. 3. Brand (same reason Apple doesn t make $200 phones) 4. It can satisfy the maximal possible growth rate with the Model Y Semi additional factories in China and Europe. 5. By the time they are finished with ramping up the Y (2021-2022) full self-driving would be real and then the focus shifts to steering-wheel-less pods for fleet ownership (Tesla s or maybe others ). 6. If they have room for anything besides the S X 3 Y R2 and Semi they ll do an F150 competitor (huge huge market more profit). | Lower you price the more you have to sell to make meaningful profits. There is no point in doing a hyper low cost car unless you can successfully sell and produce millions a year. The electric market is not to the point where that is possible and from tesla s standpoint it would ruin their brand image if they started selling cars that were built as low cost as possible (low quality plastic everywhere rush it out and be done with it) | 40 | 3 | 1,795 |
7fql9w | 25 | Question: besides battery prices what prevents Tesla from building a $9 995 car like a Spark? No concerns about reliability since the battery and motor are inherently more durable than ICE drivetrains. So you ve got a reliable new car that costs $10k power is free with a few (4-6) solar panels. At that price anyone could buy a new car with just a 2-year loan or even cash. And of course the inside can be spacious - the front seat can be like one big couch eliminate the dashboard for more legroom.. Is it even possible to make a profit on a Chevy Spark? | > what prevents Tesla from building a $9 995 car like a Spark? From a technical capability standpoint: nothing. From a business logic standpoint: everything. 1. 400 000 people in line for their Model 3s. 2. Profit margin would be slim. 3. Brand (same reason Apple doesn t make $200 phones) 4. It can satisfy the maximal possible growth rate with the Model Y Semi additional factories in China and Europe. 5. By the time they are finished with ramping up the Y (2021-2022) full self-driving would be real and then the focus shifts to steering-wheel-less pods for fleet ownership (Tesla s or maybe others ). 6. If they have room for anything besides the S X 3 Y R2 and Semi they ll do an F150 competitor (huge huge market more profit). | Another thing is parts. It s pretty easy to build a super inexpensive car if you reuse most of the components. That means using off the shelf door handles from int l suppliers and other off the shelf components. Chevy can easily do that since they already reuse tons of pieces across millions of vehicles. | 40 | 3 | 1,796 |
7fw010 | 51 | If there s 400k+ reservations “essentially” nobody has received their car yet and max production is 20k a month...... How can I still be slated for “Late 2018” when I only made my reservation in July the day before the reveal. I know I have close to 400k ahead of me. The math doesn t work. | because production is planned to go to 40k a month not 20k | I hadn t really thought about it but this post made me realise that whatever the number of delivered Model 3 s are at it s not even more than half a per cent of the pre-orders. Long way to go. | 60 | 2 | 1,797 |
7fw010 | 51 | If there s 400k+ reservations “essentially” nobody has received their car yet and max production is 20k a month...... How can I still be slated for “Late 2018” when I only made my reservation in July the day before the reveal. I know I have close to 400k ahead of me. The math doesn t work. | because production is planned to go to 40k a month not 20k | They do expect at some point in 2018 to increase production again. | 60 | 11 | 1,798 |
7fw010 | 51 | If there s 400k+ reservations “essentially” nobody has received their car yet and max production is 20k a month...... How can I still be slated for “Late 2018” when I only made my reservation in July the day before the reveal. I know I have close to 400k ahead of me. The math doesn t work. | Also the number includes international reservations if you re in North America. Probably includes a significant number from China. | I hadn t really thought about it but this post made me realise that whatever the number of delivered Model 3 s are at it s not even more than half a per cent of the pre-orders. Long way to go. | 33 | 2 | 1,799 |
7fy755 | 397 | My 10 day review of the Model 3 So we finally got our Model 3 exactly 10 days ago and I wanted to share my thoughts on my experience so far. I will probably add more thoughts as time goes. This is my first electric car ever so the overall experience was new for me. For background my other car is a Honda CRV and I recently sold off my Subaru BRZ. **Delivery Experience** - Meh. We had to wait 2 hours after our appointment time because the car was still being detailed. The delivery specialist was not special at all. Had no idea about some of the features. The initial build quality was good. No cosmetic or mechanical issues. There are some minor misalignments but nothing that you would not see in any other car if you looked minutely. **Driving** - Driving the Model 3 feels great. Overall handling is superb. Definitely not what people would normally expect from an electric car but would expect from a Tesla. Amazing acceleration just amazing (super quick off the spot). It almost feels like a roller coaster. I had some fun catching people off guard while riding them around. Steering is solid and the car feels in control. The suspension is much stiffer than I expected. For comparison for me the suspension felt slightly stiffer than BMW 335 but no as hard as my BRZ. Very quiet in the cabin. This can be attributed to in large part to the lack of ICE. Motion sickness - For real. Apparently caused by regenerative braking. Turned it down to LOW to get used it slowly. **Glass roof and interior** - The glass roof is my favorite feature. It just makes the car feel bigger and spacious. Just a different feel. Lots of legroom even in the back. The dome lights and accent lights are a good touch. The center console storage space lids etc. feel plasticky. My 2017 CRV has much better materials in this regard. Steering wheel feels nice and solid. Misc. (not interior related) - You have to close the doors really (really really) hard to make them close properly. If the door is not closed hard enough it doesn t latch and the window does not get sealed. **Touch screen** - Nothing new here. The screen quality is good - clear responsive adaptive brightness all the good stuff. **Controls (or lack there of)** - Coming from a conventional car interior I do miss some of the physical buttons. The steering stalk on the left lets you control the turn signals and there is button to trigger the wiper. The stalk on the right is for drive controls. The two wheels let you contol the volume and adjust the mirrors. Yyou need 2 clicks on the screen just to get the wipers going. SMH **Here is what I miss** - No cruise control + or - on the steering wheel. I have to reach to the screen to increase or decrease cruise speed. If someone knows what I am missing do let me know. Cannot switch radio stations. You can skip songs but that s it. **Go to the screen to open the glove box (another smh)** - I know Tesla wants to keep things simple and this is there way to enforce safety of the stored items during Valet mode but Worse - even the passenger has to reach all the way to the left hand corner of the screen to open the glove box that is right in front. I am sure there could be a better solution. **Fixable** - Navigation steps are listed on the far right hand side of the screen. Away from the driver and it is sometimes hard to read follow while driving. Looking so far to the right does not feel like just a glance. It is taking focus away from actual driving. Hopefully they can bring that panel back to the left closer to the driver. **Battery & range** - Range anxiety got real when the battery was down to 40 miles. Had to find a public charge and I actually ended up paying to get some juice. The battery lost about 15-20 miles per day sitting in the garage during the long weekend. It was in 40-50s during the weekend here in the bay area. This is based on the small sample size and non scientific casual observation. I will have a better idea in the coming days. **From the comments it looks like the batter loss is greater than expected. I will observe for a few more days and report back.** | 15-20 miles per day is a lot of drain. | Weird question - do you happen to know the length and width dimensions of the screen? It s not online anywhere! | 195 | 14 | 1,800 |
7fy755 | 397 | My 10 day review of the Model 3 So we finally got our Model 3 exactly 10 days ago and I wanted to share my thoughts on my experience so far. I will probably add more thoughts as time goes. This is my first electric car ever so the overall experience was new for me. For background my other car is a Honda CRV and I recently sold off my Subaru BRZ. **Delivery Experience** - Meh. We had to wait 2 hours after our appointment time because the car was still being detailed. The delivery specialist was not special at all. Had no idea about some of the features. The initial build quality was good. No cosmetic or mechanical issues. There are some minor misalignments but nothing that you would not see in any other car if you looked minutely. **Driving** - Driving the Model 3 feels great. Overall handling is superb. Definitely not what people would normally expect from an electric car but would expect from a Tesla. Amazing acceleration just amazing (super quick off the spot). It almost feels like a roller coaster. I had some fun catching people off guard while riding them around. Steering is solid and the car feels in control. The suspension is much stiffer than I expected. For comparison for me the suspension felt slightly stiffer than BMW 335 but no as hard as my BRZ. Very quiet in the cabin. This can be attributed to in large part to the lack of ICE. Motion sickness - For real. Apparently caused by regenerative braking. Turned it down to LOW to get used it slowly. **Glass roof and interior** - The glass roof is my favorite feature. It just makes the car feel bigger and spacious. Just a different feel. Lots of legroom even in the back. The dome lights and accent lights are a good touch. The center console storage space lids etc. feel plasticky. My 2017 CRV has much better materials in this regard. Steering wheel feels nice and solid. Misc. (not interior related) - You have to close the doors really (really really) hard to make them close properly. If the door is not closed hard enough it doesn t latch and the window does not get sealed. **Touch screen** - Nothing new here. The screen quality is good - clear responsive adaptive brightness all the good stuff. **Controls (or lack there of)** - Coming from a conventional car interior I do miss some of the physical buttons. The steering stalk on the left lets you control the turn signals and there is button to trigger the wiper. The stalk on the right is for drive controls. The two wheels let you contol the volume and adjust the mirrors. Yyou need 2 clicks on the screen just to get the wipers going. SMH **Here is what I miss** - No cruise control + or - on the steering wheel. I have to reach to the screen to increase or decrease cruise speed. If someone knows what I am missing do let me know. Cannot switch radio stations. You can skip songs but that s it. **Go to the screen to open the glove box (another smh)** - I know Tesla wants to keep things simple and this is there way to enforce safety of the stored items during Valet mode but Worse - even the passenger has to reach all the way to the left hand corner of the screen to open the glove box that is right in front. I am sure there could be a better solution. **Fixable** - Navigation steps are listed on the far right hand side of the screen. Away from the driver and it is sometimes hard to read follow while driving. Looking so far to the right does not feel like just a glance. It is taking focus away from actual driving. Hopefully they can bring that panel back to the left closer to the driver. **Battery & range** - Range anxiety got real when the battery was down to 40 miles. Had to find a public charge and I actually ended up paying to get some juice. The battery lost about 15-20 miles per day sitting in the garage during the long weekend. It was in 40-50s during the weekend here in the bay area. This is based on the small sample size and non scientific casual observation. I will have a better idea in the coming days. **From the comments it looks like the batter loss is greater than expected. I will observe for a few more days and report back.** | Sounds like something is wrong if losing that much range per day. Per the manual you should only be losing < 3% battery per WEEK with energy saving OFF (9 miles) and < 1% with energy saving on. | > The battery lost about 15-20 miles per day sitting in the garage during the long weekend. That sounds way off. I ve seen reports where a Tesla will loose 1% of range per day. You re talking about more than 5%. Were you using the climate control when not in the car? > Delivery Experience - Meh. We had to wait 2 hours after our appointment time because the car was still being detailed. The delivery specialist was not special at all. Had no idea about some of the features. This is something that Tesla should be focusing on intently. From my view one of the many things people hate about the typical dealership experience is waiting for the sales people finance people manager etc to complete the transaction. A typical dealership experience has left me feeling many times like I am doing them a favor for buying their car. Tesla clearly does not want its customers to have a typical dealership experience in their stores to hopefully Tesla can scale this up quickly. > The stalk on the ~~left~~ is for drive controls. Right. * What s up with your formatting? Some sections are in nested scrollable boxes. * re: your experience with the software on the touchscreen - it will change. Early owners should continue to give their feedback to Tesla so they can continue to improve the features and UI. But early owners should also realize that it ll continue to improve for quite a while. | 73 | 2 | 1,801 |
7fy755 | 397 | My 10 day review of the Model 3 So we finally got our Model 3 exactly 10 days ago and I wanted to share my thoughts on my experience so far. I will probably add more thoughts as time goes. This is my first electric car ever so the overall experience was new for me. For background my other car is a Honda CRV and I recently sold off my Subaru BRZ. **Delivery Experience** - Meh. We had to wait 2 hours after our appointment time because the car was still being detailed. The delivery specialist was not special at all. Had no idea about some of the features. The initial build quality was good. No cosmetic or mechanical issues. There are some minor misalignments but nothing that you would not see in any other car if you looked minutely. **Driving** - Driving the Model 3 feels great. Overall handling is superb. Definitely not what people would normally expect from an electric car but would expect from a Tesla. Amazing acceleration just amazing (super quick off the spot). It almost feels like a roller coaster. I had some fun catching people off guard while riding them around. Steering is solid and the car feels in control. The suspension is much stiffer than I expected. For comparison for me the suspension felt slightly stiffer than BMW 335 but no as hard as my BRZ. Very quiet in the cabin. This can be attributed to in large part to the lack of ICE. Motion sickness - For real. Apparently caused by regenerative braking. Turned it down to LOW to get used it slowly. **Glass roof and interior** - The glass roof is my favorite feature. It just makes the car feel bigger and spacious. Just a different feel. Lots of legroom even in the back. The dome lights and accent lights are a good touch. The center console storage space lids etc. feel plasticky. My 2017 CRV has much better materials in this regard. Steering wheel feels nice and solid. Misc. (not interior related) - You have to close the doors really (really really) hard to make them close properly. If the door is not closed hard enough it doesn t latch and the window does not get sealed. **Touch screen** - Nothing new here. The screen quality is good - clear responsive adaptive brightness all the good stuff. **Controls (or lack there of)** - Coming from a conventional car interior I do miss some of the physical buttons. The steering stalk on the left lets you control the turn signals and there is button to trigger the wiper. The stalk on the right is for drive controls. The two wheels let you contol the volume and adjust the mirrors. Yyou need 2 clicks on the screen just to get the wipers going. SMH **Here is what I miss** - No cruise control + or - on the steering wheel. I have to reach to the screen to increase or decrease cruise speed. If someone knows what I am missing do let me know. Cannot switch radio stations. You can skip songs but that s it. **Go to the screen to open the glove box (another smh)** - I know Tesla wants to keep things simple and this is there way to enforce safety of the stored items during Valet mode but Worse - even the passenger has to reach all the way to the left hand corner of the screen to open the glove box that is right in front. I am sure there could be a better solution. **Fixable** - Navigation steps are listed on the far right hand side of the screen. Away from the driver and it is sometimes hard to read follow while driving. Looking so far to the right does not feel like just a glance. It is taking focus away from actual driving. Hopefully they can bring that panel back to the left closer to the driver. **Battery & range** - Range anxiety got real when the battery was down to 40 miles. Had to find a public charge and I actually ended up paying to get some juice. The battery lost about 15-20 miles per day sitting in the garage during the long weekend. It was in 40-50s during the weekend here in the bay area. This is based on the small sample size and non scientific casual observation. I will have a better idea in the coming days. **From the comments it looks like the batter loss is greater than expected. I will observe for a few more days and report back.** | Sounds like something is wrong if losing that much range per day. Per the manual you should only be losing < 3% battery per WEEK with energy saving OFF (9 miles) and < 1% with energy saving on. | Weird question - do you happen to know the length and width dimensions of the screen? It s not online anywhere! | 73 | 14 | 1,802 |
7g02zo | 134 | Tesla now has about a half exaFLOP of computing power on the road 6 times more than the world s most powerful supercomputer Each Tesla with Autopilot HW2 has a Nvidia Drive PX2 about 10 TFLOPS (teraflops) of compute power. Since October 2016 Tesla produced about 120.000 vehicles all with AP HW2. Each Tesla has a Tegra X2 SoC and dedicated Pascal GPU. Exact numbers are unclear but it is estimated that the combination delivers about 4 TFLOPS of FP32 calculations and about 8 TLFOPS of FP16. The most powerful supercomputer in the world is the Sunway TaihuLight with 93 petaFLOPS FP32. All the 120.000 Tesla s combined have 480 petaFLOPS FP32 about half a exaFLOP. We should do something with this compute power like fold proteins map the Milky Way or train Tesla s autopilot neural network (don t you dare say mine cryptocurrency). | Cute. - The Bitcoin Mining Industry | Mine lithium. More seriously could Tesla even use this? Or are all the computers busy calculating autopilot tasks? | 69 | 13 | 1,803 |
7g02zo | 134 | Tesla now has about a half exaFLOP of computing power on the road 6 times more than the world s most powerful supercomputer Each Tesla with Autopilot HW2 has a Nvidia Drive PX2 about 10 TFLOPS (teraflops) of compute power. Since October 2016 Tesla produced about 120.000 vehicles all with AP HW2. Each Tesla has a Tegra X2 SoC and dedicated Pascal GPU. Exact numbers are unclear but it is estimated that the combination delivers about 4 TFLOPS of FP32 calculations and about 8 TLFOPS of FP16. The most powerful supercomputer in the world is the Sunway TaihuLight with 93 petaFLOPS FP32. All the 120.000 Tesla s combined have 480 petaFLOPS FP32 about half a exaFLOP. We should do something with this compute power like fold proteins map the Milky Way or train Tesla s autopilot neural network (don t you dare say mine cryptocurrency). | Tesla doesn t own those computers. It would be like saying Apple has X amounts of exaFlOPs in the world why don t they do something with them. | Mine lithium. More seriously could Tesla even use this? Or are all the computers busy calculating autopilot tasks? | 47 | 13 | 1,804 |
7g0sao | 21 | Still no news on the “Something special” for (3 31) reservations ? Sorry if this has already been answered but with more and more orders starting to roll out what s gonna happen to the promised “something special” for those that reserved on day one ? I know Elon tweeted he was working on something back in August.. Also is there any speculation on what it might be ? | My guess it s it s something software based. For the cost of the ass pain for the logistics of ordering and shipping out a $5 tshirt to just some subset of people dealing with I didn t get mine s and such they could hand a dev a spreadsheet and say give them $40 in supercharger credits and have that done 2 hours later. We almost *want* it to be software based. It can be a lot more substantial that way. | My guess is they re making a deal with slacker or tunein to give premium for free for a few maybe four years. | 38 | 3 | 1,805 |
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