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6qo7zc | 64 | Incentives and Timing If you have familiarity with incentive structure and have read up on the timing and where Tesla stands based on current delivery numbers and expectations I have a personal request for you. Please curate the best and most accurate post you can (with sources) to assist with helping anyone understand the federal incentives phase out how to find localized incentives and to help with expectations in relation to the Model 3 S and X. **I will utilize the most upvoted comment in the sidebar and FAQ for ALL to reference.** I do ask though that you update said comment as we near the 200k domestic deliveries. (You would only have to update a couple times). Everyone will thank you. Time to put the beaten dead horse to rest. | Tax Credit Rules: * $7 500 tax credit applies for first 200 000 plug-in electric vehicles sold per manufacturer * After the 200 000th vehicle is sold the credit begins to phase-out * The full $7 500 will apply for the entire quarter in which the 200 000th vehicle is sold in the U.S. and the following quarter as well * For the following 2 quarters 6 months the credit is halved at $3 750 * For the following 2 quarters 6 months the credit is halved at $1 875 * After that the credit is exhausted to $0 Current best estimates on phase-out timing (*): * $7 500 available for deliveries through 6 30 2018 * $3 750 available for deliveries through 12 31 2018 * $1 875 available for deliveries through 6 30 2019 (*) How long the credit is available will depend on a lot but my current estimate is that the 200 000th U.S. delivery will occur in Q1 2018 meaning $7 500 will be available for vehicles sold through 6 30 2018. This could be off by a quarter. How did I arrive at this estimate? Here s a spreadsheet table showing Tesla deliveries and how the tax credit is phased out: http: i.imgur.com XSzpWJJ.png The data above is compiled from Tesla financial reports and the U.S. data comes from 3rd party reports. Future data is based on forecasts from Elon with some slight sanity adjustments. Interestingly the number one thing Tesla could do to help out U.S. buyers (and themselves really) is to aggressively start shipping to Canadian customers much sooner (say Q1 Q2 2018). Canada is still close geographically and the number of U.S. Model 3 shipments is the #1 factor pushing Tesla past the 200 000 mark. | Thank you! I was looking around and can t find anything specific around timing. I understand that after 200k the incentive and then it halves but when are they for casting to hit 200k? Honestly it s the difference between me rushing out for a dual vs awd. | 37 | 2 | 1,406 |
6qo7zc | 64 | Incentives and Timing If you have familiarity with incentive structure and have read up on the timing and where Tesla stands based on current delivery numbers and expectations I have a personal request for you. Please curate the best and most accurate post you can (with sources) to assist with helping anyone understand the federal incentives phase out how to find localized incentives and to help with expectations in relation to the Model 3 S and X. **I will utilize the most upvoted comment in the sidebar and FAQ for ALL to reference.** I do ask though that you update said comment as we near the 200k domestic deliveries. (You would only have to update a couple times). Everyone will thank you. Time to put the beaten dead horse to rest. | Tax Credit Rules: * $7 500 tax credit applies for first 200 000 plug-in electric vehicles sold per manufacturer * After the 200 000th vehicle is sold the credit begins to phase-out * The full $7 500 will apply for the entire quarter in which the 200 000th vehicle is sold in the U.S. and the following quarter as well * For the following 2 quarters 6 months the credit is halved at $3 750 * For the following 2 quarters 6 months the credit is halved at $1 875 * After that the credit is exhausted to $0 Current best estimates on phase-out timing (*): * $7 500 available for deliveries through 6 30 2018 * $3 750 available for deliveries through 12 31 2018 * $1 875 available for deliveries through 6 30 2019 (*) How long the credit is available will depend on a lot but my current estimate is that the 200 000th U.S. delivery will occur in Q1 2018 meaning $7 500 will be available for vehicles sold through 6 30 2018. This could be off by a quarter. How did I arrive at this estimate? Here s a spreadsheet table showing Tesla deliveries and how the tax credit is phased out: http: i.imgur.com XSzpWJJ.png The data above is compiled from Tesla financial reports and the U.S. data comes from 3rd party reports. Future data is based on forecasts from Elon with some slight sanity adjustments. Interestingly the number one thing Tesla could do to help out U.S. buyers (and themselves really) is to aggressively start shipping to Canadian customers much sooner (say Q1 Q2 2018). Canada is still close geographically and the number of U.S. Model 3 shipments is the #1 factor pushing Tesla past the 200 000 mark. | From what I have been hearing from people in the EV industry. Tesla can play with delivery dates to get as many people as much of a us federal tax credit as possible. | 37 | 2 | 1,407 |
6qo7zc | 64 | Incentives and Timing If you have familiarity with incentive structure and have read up on the timing and where Tesla stands based on current delivery numbers and expectations I have a personal request for you. Please curate the best and most accurate post you can (with sources) to assist with helping anyone understand the federal incentives phase out how to find localized incentives and to help with expectations in relation to the Model 3 S and X. **I will utilize the most upvoted comment in the sidebar and FAQ for ALL to reference.** I do ask though that you update said comment as we near the 200k domestic deliveries. (You would only have to update a couple times). Everyone will thank you. Time to put the beaten dead horse to rest. | Tax Credit Rules: * $7 500 tax credit applies for first 200 000 plug-in electric vehicles sold per manufacturer * After the 200 000th vehicle is sold the credit begins to phase-out * The full $7 500 will apply for the entire quarter in which the 200 000th vehicle is sold in the U.S. and the following quarter as well * For the following 2 quarters 6 months the credit is halved at $3 750 * For the following 2 quarters 6 months the credit is halved at $1 875 * After that the credit is exhausted to $0 Current best estimates on phase-out timing (*): * $7 500 available for deliveries through 6 30 2018 * $3 750 available for deliveries through 12 31 2018 * $1 875 available for deliveries through 6 30 2019 (*) How long the credit is available will depend on a lot but my current estimate is that the 200 000th U.S. delivery will occur in Q1 2018 meaning $7 500 will be available for vehicles sold through 6 30 2018. This could be off by a quarter. How did I arrive at this estimate? Here s a spreadsheet table showing Tesla deliveries and how the tax credit is phased out: http: i.imgur.com XSzpWJJ.png The data above is compiled from Tesla financial reports and the U.S. data comes from 3rd party reports. Future data is based on forecasts from Elon with some slight sanity adjustments. Interestingly the number one thing Tesla could do to help out U.S. buyers (and themselves really) is to aggressively start shipping to Canadian customers much sooner (say Q1 Q2 2018). Canada is still close geographically and the number of U.S. Model 3 shipments is the #1 factor pushing Tesla past the 200 000 mark. | Thank you for this request. I asked yesterday and pretty much got suplexed by everyone for not knowing or missing the information being lost in the hundreds of comments. I get it it s been discussed many times but as an individual buying an electric car for the first time I m genuinely trying to absorb all the information I can so I can get the most bang for my buck. Thank you again! | 37 | 8 | 1,408 |
6qpgvz | 118 | Upset about shelling out $5k for heated seats in the cold north? You probably don t need it in a Tesla that can remotely preheat the cabin. As a young kid with many expenses to save up for I have to say I was bummed when I found out I d have to pay $5K extra to get heated seats something I simply cannot leave out of my +$35K car purchase in London Ontario. But I was thinking with the old ICE car mentality. This is a Tesla. As a redditor pointed out you can remotely preheat the car for 5 minutes before going in and boom it s summer in the car. The other option I was interested in was the Tinted Glass but honestly if it s not a controllable tint (which it s not) I prefer a car with an open-air feel to it. | > But I was thinking with the old ICE car mentality. This is a Tesla. What are you talking about? Tons of ICE cars have remote start via app. GM has had it via the Onstar app for years. | Maybe by the time you get it you ll just be able to get it separately anyways? | 46 | 2 | 1,409 |
6qpgvz | 118 | Upset about shelling out $5k for heated seats in the cold north? You probably don t need it in a Tesla that can remotely preheat the cabin. As a young kid with many expenses to save up for I have to say I was bummed when I found out I d have to pay $5K extra to get heated seats something I simply cannot leave out of my +$35K car purchase in London Ontario. But I was thinking with the old ICE car mentality. This is a Tesla. As a redditor pointed out you can remotely preheat the car for 5 minutes before going in and boom it s summer in the car. The other option I was interested in was the Tinted Glass but honestly if it s not a controllable tint (which it s not) I prefer a car with an open-air feel to it. | > But I was thinking with the old ICE car mentality. This is a Tesla. What are you talking about? Tons of ICE cars have remote start via app. GM has had it via the Onstar app for years. | Id take ventilated seats over heated any day And I live in Quebec (aka North Pole) Because of the exact reason you mention | 46 | 2 | 1,410 |
6qpgvz | 118 | Upset about shelling out $5k for heated seats in the cold north? You probably don t need it in a Tesla that can remotely preheat the cabin. As a young kid with many expenses to save up for I have to say I was bummed when I found out I d have to pay $5K extra to get heated seats something I simply cannot leave out of my +$35K car purchase in London Ontario. But I was thinking with the old ICE car mentality. This is a Tesla. As a redditor pointed out you can remotely preheat the car for 5 minutes before going in and boom it s summer in the car. The other option I was interested in was the Tinted Glass but honestly if it s not a controllable tint (which it s not) I prefer a car with an open-air feel to it. | > But I was thinking with the old ICE car mentality. This is a Tesla. What are you talking about? Tons of ICE cars have remote start via app. GM has had it via the Onstar app for years. | This is one of the many reasons I d really like to be able to skip the premium package and just pick the features I really want and would use on a daily basis. Power seats premium sound system and the glass roof. | 46 | 4 | 1,411 |
6qq1n0 | 34 | Model 3 0-60 Times compared to other cars. To those who care as I do. I would consider this a quick car but not fast by any means. Should have plenty of power to make the freeway pass but your not gonna be winning drag races like those with a P100DL. 5.6 0-60 * 2017 Tesla Model 3 Standard Battery RWD * 2017 Audi Q7 3.0T * 2016 BMW 428i xDrive Gran Coupe * 2015 Ford Edge Sport * 2016 Honda Accord Touring Coupe * 2016 Infiniti QX50 * 2017 Mercedes SLC 300 * 2011 Porsche Panamera S Hybrid * 2010 Subaru Legacy GTk Wagon * 2010 Volkswagen Golf R * 2017 Volvo S90 T6 AWD Inscription 5.1 0-60 * 2017 Tesla Model 3 Long Range Battery RWD * 2014 Acura RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD * 2017 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro * 2016 BMW 228i xDrive Coupe * 2016 Chevrolet Camaro RS * 2015 Dodge Challenger R T * 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor SuperCrew * 2014 Infiniti Q50 * 2017 Range Rover SV * 2016 Mercedes G65 AMG * 2016 Nissan 370Z * 2015 Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan * 2017 Volvo XC90 T8 AWD Inscription Plug-In Hybrid | Note that the Model 3 will probably feel a lot quicker than most of these cars. ICE drivetrains take an appreciable amount of time to respond especially if you re already moving at slow speeds. Having driven an ICE car with a similar 0-60 time to my S85 the Tesla is *way* quicker for normal driving because accelerating 0-60 is pretty rare and usually you re accelerating 0-30 or 20-45 or whatever. Of course this doesn t change your big point which is that the Model 3 is not going to be in the same universe as a P100DL and is not going to be humiliating customized drag racing Mustangs and the like. But in terms of typical driving experience it will *probably* feel a bit quicker than cars that look comparable on paper. | There are no 2018 Tesla vehicles. Won t be for 5 months and 1 day. | 34 | 3 | 1,412 |
6qwpai | 135 | Why I will be waiting for the 220 version So I have kicked around the numbers a bit and don t think I can justify need the 310 mile Model 3. First off probably shouldn t for financial responsibility reasons I can afford it but would rather be able to save a little more every month. Second the 310 version s performance doesn t entice me like it might others. .5 difference in a 0-60 isn t enough to get me fired up. Third the 310 wouldn t benefit my in more than 99% of my driving scenarios. I can charge daily in my garage and even if I don t I can go 2-3 days for my daily commute before charging at home. I would probably feel more comfortable in the 310 but honestly it feels mostly like my range anxiety talking. Finally even if I feel like taking the occasional long trip it would minimally shorten my overall trip. On a 900 mile trip I would save 8 hours round trip (vs the 310 version) and my time is worth about $40 and hour so $320 total. Based on that simplified math I would have to make ~28 separate 900 mile trips in order to make up the 9k difference. So someone looking for the 310 version just got moved up one spot! Now I cannot wait for Jan-Mar 2018! Edit: I meant 1800 mile trip. My bad! | You make a bunch of valid points but a couple things I want to point out: 0-60 isn t a linear scale and the closer you get to 0 the bigger the performance. Saving 8 hours is huge on a road trip and I think your assuming that there won t be a line to recharge - which is less likely once 500 000 model 3 s get on the road. Plus a 310 version is likely to have much better resale value. All that said my personal way to make these decisions is more based on after a few years will you care about the extra money you spent. (I still haven t made up my mind on what I m going to do though) | Sounds reasonable. I am hoping for the 310 base interior black (was hoping for white but not worth $1k) because I plan to continue using my Leaf for commute and Model 3 mainly for road trips. I don t mind walking for 30 minutes or occasionally an hour to charge but worried that ~130 miles 30min is the optimal 10%-80% range. In a couple years I hope to get salvage premium console and mirrors to retrofit and in the mean time build my own USB-PD and maybe storage array into the basic console. If I didn t already have a commuter 220+premium is what I would go with and based on the real charge curve still might. | 40 | 4 | 1,413 |
6qwygw | 256 | If you are thinking about long road trips with Tesla If you are considering getting a Tesla but you are worried about long distance travel please read this and consider. I m a Model S owner and have taken several long distance road trips. The most significant change you will need to make is a mental change. You will have drop the concept of making good time For long distance road trips the only difference between stopping for gas and stopping at a supercharger is where you eat. With a gas car when you are trying to make good time you fill up go to the bathroom get your food to go and eat it in the car. In a Tesla you plug in to charge go to the bathroom get your food AND EAT IT THERE! By the time you have finished your car is likely charged enough to get to the next supercharger. This is the key to long distance road trips. You don t ever need to charge the car up to 100% you only need enough to get to the next supercharger. So relax a little bit. Take an extra 15 minutes. Spend the $3 on those massage chairs. Enjoy not being in a rush if you can. Stretch your legs. Throw the ball with the kids. Yes supercharging takes longer than filling up the tank but if you are prepared for that and embrace that you will find the experience more enjoyable. Especially that moment when you get back in the car and you remember its a Tesla! | The other big factor that people don t mention much is what to do when you get somewhere. This can actually be a big problem when taking trips. Not every destination has a place to charge so you have to plan to have enough power to get back to a charger on your return trip. This can severely limit you and to me has been a huge inconvenience. It s pretty much why I ve given up on using the Tesla for road trips. I know everyone on this sub loves the Tesla and it can do no wrong but I wanted to offer others a different persepective. Still a fantastic car. Definitely perfect for daily driving around town. But for me it s terrible for road trips. Maybe once they get more super chargers in actual big cities it ll be better and they are expanding their network a lot. | Well said | 60 | 2 | 1,414 |
6qwygw | 256 | If you are thinking about long road trips with Tesla If you are considering getting a Tesla but you are worried about long distance travel please read this and consider. I m a Model S owner and have taken several long distance road trips. The most significant change you will need to make is a mental change. You will have drop the concept of making good time For long distance road trips the only difference between stopping for gas and stopping at a supercharger is where you eat. With a gas car when you are trying to make good time you fill up go to the bathroom get your food to go and eat it in the car. In a Tesla you plug in to charge go to the bathroom get your food AND EAT IT THERE! By the time you have finished your car is likely charged enough to get to the next supercharger. This is the key to long distance road trips. You don t ever need to charge the car up to 100% you only need enough to get to the next supercharger. So relax a little bit. Take an extra 15 minutes. Spend the $3 on those massage chairs. Enjoy not being in a rush if you can. Stretch your legs. Throw the ball with the kids. Yes supercharging takes longer than filling up the tank but if you are prepared for that and embrace that you will find the experience more enjoyable. Especially that moment when you get back in the car and you remember its a Tesla! | The other big factor that people don t mention much is what to do when you get somewhere. This can actually be a big problem when taking trips. Not every destination has a place to charge so you have to plan to have enough power to get back to a charger on your return trip. This can severely limit you and to me has been a huge inconvenience. It s pretty much why I ve given up on using the Tesla for road trips. I know everyone on this sub loves the Tesla and it can do no wrong but I wanted to offer others a different persepective. Still a fantastic car. Definitely perfect for daily driving around town. But for me it s terrible for road trips. Maybe once they get more super chargers in actual big cities it ll be better and they are expanding their network a lot. | Re: By the time you have finished your car is likely charged enough to get to the next supercharger. And the phone app will actual notify you when you have enough to continue while you are eating. You obviously can check on the cars range as well when you are eating walking hanging out away from the car. | 60 | 3 | 1,415 |
6qwygw | 256 | If you are thinking about long road trips with Tesla If you are considering getting a Tesla but you are worried about long distance travel please read this and consider. I m a Model S owner and have taken several long distance road trips. The most significant change you will need to make is a mental change. You will have drop the concept of making good time For long distance road trips the only difference between stopping for gas and stopping at a supercharger is where you eat. With a gas car when you are trying to make good time you fill up go to the bathroom get your food to go and eat it in the car. In a Tesla you plug in to charge go to the bathroom get your food AND EAT IT THERE! By the time you have finished your car is likely charged enough to get to the next supercharger. This is the key to long distance road trips. You don t ever need to charge the car up to 100% you only need enough to get to the next supercharger. So relax a little bit. Take an extra 15 minutes. Spend the $3 on those massage chairs. Enjoy not being in a rush if you can. Stretch your legs. Throw the ball with the kids. Yes supercharging takes longer than filling up the tank but if you are prepared for that and embrace that you will find the experience more enjoyable. Especially that moment when you get back in the car and you remember its a Tesla! | The other big factor that people don t mention much is what to do when you get somewhere. This can actually be a big problem when taking trips. Not every destination has a place to charge so you have to plan to have enough power to get back to a charger on your return trip. This can severely limit you and to me has been a huge inconvenience. It s pretty much why I ve given up on using the Tesla for road trips. I know everyone on this sub loves the Tesla and it can do no wrong but I wanted to offer others a different persepective. Still a fantastic car. Definitely perfect for daily driving around town. But for me it s terrible for road trips. Maybe once they get more super chargers in actual big cities it ll be better and they are expanding their network a lot. | Unless you want to go 35 mph on a highway and make it last 700 miles | 60 | 3 | 1,416 |
6qxamn | 136 | The Model 3 is significantly improved over the Model S in design and Tesla probably does not want people to think about that By now it s pretty apparent that the Model 3 is a superior design to the Model S in many important ways. It looks like the Tesla team learned a lot from the Model S and applied it to the 3. The overall package is more impressive - while you lose some overall length and cargo space you gain headroom lose over 1000 lbs and maintain a good amount of legroom. The back seats of the S simply do not have enough space for anyone 6 and over and headroom is tight for anyone close to 6 . The loss of over 1000 lbs is incredible especially considering that the body is composed of more steel and less aluminum. This in turn allows the car to achieve higher efficiency and thus greater range. Once the numbers are out I m sure we will see that the MPGe of the 3 is far superior to the S. The interior ergonomics are also greatly improved. Having the touchscreen mounted externally to the dash allows for greater visibility and safety as the screen can be mounted higher than the dash so the dash doesn t get in the way and the screen stays within view. The side door pockets are also a big deal - not only do they exist but they can hold large bottles significantly increasing functionality. Then there is the extra length available with the seats folded flat. Crash test performance also appears to have improved from what we ve seen. If you look at the side impact video of the Model 3 shown and compare it to a video of the Model S the Model 3 appears to be slightly less impacted. | I wouldn t be surprised if we see a Facelift 2.0 Model S sometime in the next year | And that s only the parts people know about. Now imagine all those advancements are carried over. | 106 | 17 | 1,417 |
6qylrs | 171 | Anyone else think that selling FULL self-driving is ridiculous? I can t think of another time a car company said pay us now for something that we can t guarantee will EVER be available or we will charge you a 33% penalty later | Yes especially considering it does absolutely nothing right now | Not really. It s not like they re forcing you to buy it one way or the other.A better way if looking at it is as basically a $3000 or $4000 grant for the company to continue their R& D with the tech. | 124 | 8 | 1,418 |
6qylrs | 171 | Anyone else think that selling FULL self-driving is ridiculous? I can t think of another time a car company said pay us now for something that we can t guarantee will EVER be available or we will charge you a 33% penalty later | Yes especially considering it does absolutely nothing right now | Would it be any better if they offered no discount and just said you can buy FSD later at $4K per car? Now me personally I am not buying FSD until I see it working and more importantly approved by regulators (who knows how long that will take). I just see FSD as costing $4K. If people want to prepay for a discount I don t see anything wrong with that. | 124 | 27 | 1,419 |
6qylrs | 171 | Anyone else think that selling FULL self-driving is ridiculous? I can t think of another time a car company said pay us now for something that we can t guarantee will EVER be available or we will charge you a 33% penalty later | Yes especially considering it does absolutely nothing right now | I think people are free to buy it or not. Not a gamble I m open to but if others are so be it. As long as Tesla is held accountable I don t see an issue. | 124 | 30 | 1,420 |
6qzyoy | 40 | What DON T we know about the Model 3? I ll start: 1: The power (kW) and the energy of the battery (kWh) 2: The type of air filter used 3: The interior options colours of the eventual version 4: The 0-60 cost and range of the dual motor when it arrives 5: The 0-60 cost and range of the performance version when it arrives ~~6: Whether you can upgrade the 220 mile battery to the 310 at a later stage.~~ (you can t) | Does it have heated wiper jets even if only in the premium package? Will a keyfob be available as an accessory and if not officially can the BLE keyfob from the S X be used? What s the wheel bolt pattern offset and center bore? Can the rear seats be locked to prevent folding down by unauthorized people? Can you delegate access to the vehicle to someone via the app without giving them your credentials? Is the steering wheel heated in the Premium package? | Also whether there is a 12v battery | 32 | 5 | 1,421 |
6r4t4k | 57 | Audi S4 vs. Fully Loaded Model 3 Comparison Instead of base model configuration which you guys have seen a bunch already I configured a 2018 Audi S4 (on sale now) with driver assist package which is the rough equivalent of a Model 3 with long range battery premium and enhanced autopilot package. Here is a comparison of some of the premium features. Price does not include dealer incentive nor tax benefits. [Here is the exact configuration for the Audi]( https: www.audiusa.com audicode A23GQG3D). Not trying to say which car is better just did this for fun. Vehicle|Audi S4|Tesla Model 3 :-:|:-:|:-: Price|$57600: S4 + Prestige + Driver Assist Package|$54000: LR+Premium+Enhanced Auto Pilot **Performance**|| 0-60mph (mfr time)|4.4s|5.1s Top Speed|155mph|140mph Drive Configuration|AWD|RWD Fuel Economy|24MPG Combined|100+ MPGe CO2 Emission|0.80 lb mile|0 Range|~400mi|310mi Sports Suspension Differential|$2500|Not Available **Exterior**|| Metallic Paint|$575|$1000 18 Wheels|Standard|Standard 19 Wheels|$800-$1400|$1500 Sunroof|Standard|Full Glass Roof LED Headlights W Auto High Beam|YES|YES **Interior**|| Interior Trim|Aluminum|Open-Pored Genuine Wood Powered Seats|12 Way Adjustable W 4 Way Power Lumber Support|12 Way Adjustable Leather Interior|YES|Synthetic Heated Front Seats|YES|YES Cooled Seats|$950|Not Available Folding Rear Seats|40 20 40 Split|60 40 Split Premium Leather|$950-$1250 (Napa Milano Leather)|Not Available Heated Steering Wheel|$500 (include Heated Rear Seats)|Not Available Ambient LED interior lighting|YES|NO **Technology**|| Keyless Entry|YES|YES Remote Smartphone App|YES|YES Navigation|YES|YES Backup Camera|YES|YES Surround View Camera|YES|NO Head Up Display|YES|NO Self Parallel Parking|YES|YES Summon|NO|YES Infotainment|8.3 MMI + 12.3 Virtual Cockpit| 15 Touch Screen Driver Assist|Audi Traffic Jam Assist + Lane Keeping + Adaptive CC|Enhanced Autopilot Full Self Driving|Not Available| $3000 + Unknown Future Date Audio System|19 Speakers 755W B& O|Premium Sound (Unknown Spec) Apple CarPlay Android Auto|YES|Not Available OTA Updates|Infotainment Only|Full Vehicle Software Disclaimer: I did not compare safety features because it s hard. Model 3 s official crash results are not out yet and Audi includes a bunch of advanced active safety feature such as cross traffic detection and pre-crash systems. I assume both cars are very safe. Please let me know if I missed anything (I assume plenty). | Let s be real honest here: Regardless of how you feel about Tesla Audi has some awesome shit. The S4 and A6 are very popular in my area. I don t love Audi s exterior styling (compared to MB s) but that s subjective. | > Infotainment Tesla Model 3: 19 Touch Screen Should be 15 . | 53 | 3 | 1,422 |
6r5taq | 96 | What do you Tesla do in the event of total loss? Say I proudly pick up my model 3 in December and on the way home a wrong way driver immediately destroys my car in one of those wrecks that gets its own article and 700 comments on Electrek. Am I just back to ICEland with my insurance check and I get back in line for a new 3 or does Tesla prioritize replacements? How does that work with Model S given the occasional lengthy build times? | Voted for its own article and 700 comments on Electrek | I ve wondered that myself. I would expect that you should be treated like any other owner at that point but in a perfect world I d hope that they d pull some strings given the specifics of that situation. | 113 | 15 | 1,423 |
6r5taq | 96 | What do you Tesla do in the event of total loss? Say I proudly pick up my model 3 in December and on the way home a wrong way driver immediately destroys my car in one of those wrecks that gets its own article and 700 comments on Electrek. Am I just back to ICEland with my insurance check and I get back in line for a new 3 or does Tesla prioritize replacements? How does that work with Model S given the occasional lengthy build times? | Voted for its own article and 700 comments on Electrek | I have seen some people get prioritized replacements but only if it is teslas fault. General accidents don t get priority replacement s. | 113 | 30 | 1,424 |
6r6sz0 | 241 | Tesla (TSLA) second quarter 2017 results and conference call - Official Thread Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its second quarter 2017 financial results on Wednesday August 2 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: edge.media-server.com m p qbdsup2y) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 4921132525x0x952053 F302D22F-FC9B-41A3-9534-60D0032673CC TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-2Q.pdf) Please keep the posts related to the earnings in this thread | Notes on the call will be updated * Elon strongly emphasized that investors should have *zero* concern about Tesla reaching 10 000 units produced per week by the end of next year. * They remain on track to achieve 5 000 by the end of this year * 80% of the journalists said they would buy the car and most of the remaining 20% said probably * Model S and X has increased with the release of the 3 Elon says pleasant surprise * Rate of orders for S and X has also specifically increased since Friday of the 3 reveal * July Orders for S and X were 15% higher over Q2 * Making improvements on AutoPilot Elon says Developer Preview is really getting to something special * Says talent they re seeing join the team is world class unmatched anywhere * *Net* Model 3 orders is about 1 800 day * Model S is still premium sedan Elon blames himself for confusion with the naming convention (3 != Generation 3) * Solar Roof tiles are installed and working on Elon s house and JB s house. No photoshopping of pictures amateur photos version 1 * Conventional solar is generating (significant?) positive cashflow * Making great progress on the battery front hoping to have a substantial amount done in 8 weeks for Australia **Q& A Session** > James Albertine (sp?) asks about capital expenditures: what comes next for spending on Model 3 and into the Q3 and Q4 * Elon says it s fundamentally impossible to predict the exact timing of the S-curve not trying to mislead anyone. He doesn t think we should expect any significantly negative with regard to capex. Deepak notes that overwhelming majority is Model 3 manufacturing but also Buffalo factory marketing and sales. Elon says they are going to keep that committment to the state of New York to build a kick ass facility. * Makes sense to open a Gigafactory in China and Europe for those markets. Thinking hard about that will some announcements by the end of the year. They don t expect to spend significant amount (this year) mostly selecting location and applying for permits. * Capex on S and X is minor but there is continued improvement to keep pace with Model 3. Deepak notes they are continued to improve on cost reduction Elon says that they will be passing some of those on to customers. * Elon says this is maybe the best he s felt about Tesla. Last week stressed the hell out of him. * Wanted to correct statement about Model Y. It will in fact use substantial carryover from Model 3 to get it to market faster. He credited the executive team for keeping Elon from being a fool. Crazy thing [presumably new platform with minimal wiring] will be punted until after Model Y. > Rob Lochney (sp?) asks about battery breakthroughs like solid state from Toyota. * Elon laughs about battery claims. Tells anyone that has a breakthrough send them a sample or to a neutral third party. Otherwise STFU. When someone has a battery breakthough they come to Tesla first because they re the biggest customer. JB totally agrees with the cautious skepticism about announcements. They ve tested single cell solid state batteries and don t yet see anything that changes their strategy. Elon jokingly begs for a breakthough. * Elon says there is one breakthrough that is confidential but is somewhat confident it will work. Says it s promising in the lab but not yet working. Lab > small production > large production > cost optimization it s a several year long process. > Follow up about 25% gross margin timeline * Around the time that they reach 5 000 week rate. Not right away as there s still some overtime and expediting of parts. So about 3-4 months after they reach that rate. Deepak says it would be more cautious than that others chuckle. Elon is 100% confident that they will reach those margins next year. * Elon gives credit to suppliers. They couldn t get top suppliers or A-team with the top suppliers now with Model 3 they are dealing with the best of the best and it makes a massive difference. Thanks them for getting to this point. > Ryan Brinkman asks about liquidity current cash plus what s available from ABL enough? * Deepak says they expect operating cashflow to be a lot better in 2H than 1H. * Elon says payment terms are much more favorable close to 60 days. They can make the car and get paid for the car before they have to pay suppliers. * There may be some wisdom in having an extra cash reserve but not at this point considering an equity raise. Thinking about debt but not about equity raise. * Because does direct distribution you must include finished good inventory at the dealers to accurately compare Tesla to other auto manufacturers. At a systemic level it takes about 30 days from manufacture to delivery to final client other automakers are 70-90. > Adam Jonas about safety when will we hear more statistics on safety that are being gathered in shadow mode * Elon says significant amount of data is being collected but going through that data is difficult. * Elon spends a lot of his week in the trenches with the AutoPilot team and people should be very pleased with a release coming soon. * 10 terraops (should be terraflops?) in the car > Is SpaceX doing anything that might help the mission of Tesla * Jon says they had a challenge in service this past week with regard to aluminum castings and the SpaceX team saved them 8 hours of work per car * Just one example they get continued help about materials > UBS question about deciding on number Superchargers because ratio of charges to cars is decreasing with Model 3 release * Number of Supercharges will triple between now and next year Elon confident that it will address needs of S X and 3 * Experimenting with first huge Supercharger * JB says Supercharges serve two roles: long distance route and intracity. Says long distance have extra capacity it s the urban sites that need addressed and can be addressed done with less capex. * 3 and high end S have similar charge rate * Elon misspoke Friday he said there was 500 000 net reservations. There are infact 518 000 gross reservations and 455 000 net. Net gain since Friday is over 1 800 per day. Inconsequential because with a small amount of effort they could increase Model 3 reservations. * JB says they ve tested charge times down to 15 minutes with different cells but the trade-offs are not worth it for the customer. > Question about 20 units for engineering validation what are they hoping to learn from those units and employees * Elon clarifies that they are fully certified by DOT and EPA full production cars * Potential problems are not showstoppers just inconsistencies in production process or quality control from supplier * Benefit of selling to employees is that they can identify and correct issues faster than OEMs > Goldman Sachs thanks for net reservation update asks about S and X deliveries * Elon deflects questions about quarter based delivery totals his usual answer here about how they do batch deliveries based on region > Barclays about infrastructure in place to support Model 3 * Discovered 80% of the cars they repair don t require a lift so increasing mobile repair fleet accordingly * Ideal service is unnoticeable repaired while you re at work or home without even knowing it. * That 80% reduction carries over to footprint which they can now dedicate to Model 3. > Question about conversion rate from walk-ins * Improve quarter over quarter and month over month. They don t publish specifics though. * On the solar side they ve put displays and experts and they re finding it s a really natural transition to talk about where their energy comes from * Sales per square foot is so high that you need a telescope to see who s in second * Elon plugs the new integrated app for car powerwall and solar says it s... well he just kind of trailed off. Generally talks it up. > Batter production for S and X any plans to move to Gigafactory * In the short term they will not be moving it. Sometime next year they may move it from Fremont to make room for increased Model 3 production. Especially if that production run rate goes above 10 000 week. * Cells are still coming from Japan for S and X * Despite Model Y using carryover from Model 3 Model Y will still only have 100m of cables and that will eventually come to Model 3. > Will Tesla ever charge more for a few unique offerings like OTA updates etc. * Elon re-emphasizes that every car since October of last year is hardware-capable of full autonomy * They might add some things to charge for in the future but focusing on Model 3 production for now (Tesla Network?) > Q about AutoPilot team turnover will LA to NY by the end of the year still happen? * Tesla is a 33 000 person team and turnover is pretty low relatively speaking * Elon says again he thinks they have the best team in the world and are growing rapidly with world class talent * Believe they are still on track certainly possible Elon will have egg on his face.. but if not end of year it will be very close. Elon time folks! :) That s it. Thanks for reading hopefully some folks that weren t able to listen in can get some value from these notes. Cheers! And thanks for the gold kind stranger. :) | TSLA responding well ~~in pre-market~~ after hours 3.72% up. Probably because of higher-than-expected earnings share and promising demand for S 3 X. | 243 | 2 | 1,425 |
6r6sz0 | 241 | Tesla (TSLA) second quarter 2017 results and conference call - Official Thread Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its second quarter 2017 financial results on Wednesday August 2 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: edge.media-server.com m p qbdsup2y) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 4921132525x0x952053 F302D22F-FC9B-41A3-9534-60D0032673CC TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-2Q.pdf) Please keep the posts related to the earnings in this thread | Notes on the call will be updated * Elon strongly emphasized that investors should have *zero* concern about Tesla reaching 10 000 units produced per week by the end of next year. * They remain on track to achieve 5 000 by the end of this year * 80% of the journalists said they would buy the car and most of the remaining 20% said probably * Model S and X has increased with the release of the 3 Elon says pleasant surprise * Rate of orders for S and X has also specifically increased since Friday of the 3 reveal * July Orders for S and X were 15% higher over Q2 * Making improvements on AutoPilot Elon says Developer Preview is really getting to something special * Says talent they re seeing join the team is world class unmatched anywhere * *Net* Model 3 orders is about 1 800 day * Model S is still premium sedan Elon blames himself for confusion with the naming convention (3 != Generation 3) * Solar Roof tiles are installed and working on Elon s house and JB s house. No photoshopping of pictures amateur photos version 1 * Conventional solar is generating (significant?) positive cashflow * Making great progress on the battery front hoping to have a substantial amount done in 8 weeks for Australia **Q& A Session** > James Albertine (sp?) asks about capital expenditures: what comes next for spending on Model 3 and into the Q3 and Q4 * Elon says it s fundamentally impossible to predict the exact timing of the S-curve not trying to mislead anyone. He doesn t think we should expect any significantly negative with regard to capex. Deepak notes that overwhelming majority is Model 3 manufacturing but also Buffalo factory marketing and sales. Elon says they are going to keep that committment to the state of New York to build a kick ass facility. * Makes sense to open a Gigafactory in China and Europe for those markets. Thinking hard about that will some announcements by the end of the year. They don t expect to spend significant amount (this year) mostly selecting location and applying for permits. * Capex on S and X is minor but there is continued improvement to keep pace with Model 3. Deepak notes they are continued to improve on cost reduction Elon says that they will be passing some of those on to customers. * Elon says this is maybe the best he s felt about Tesla. Last week stressed the hell out of him. * Wanted to correct statement about Model Y. It will in fact use substantial carryover from Model 3 to get it to market faster. He credited the executive team for keeping Elon from being a fool. Crazy thing [presumably new platform with minimal wiring] will be punted until after Model Y. > Rob Lochney (sp?) asks about battery breakthroughs like solid state from Toyota. * Elon laughs about battery claims. Tells anyone that has a breakthrough send them a sample or to a neutral third party. Otherwise STFU. When someone has a battery breakthough they come to Tesla first because they re the biggest customer. JB totally agrees with the cautious skepticism about announcements. They ve tested single cell solid state batteries and don t yet see anything that changes their strategy. Elon jokingly begs for a breakthough. * Elon says there is one breakthrough that is confidential but is somewhat confident it will work. Says it s promising in the lab but not yet working. Lab > small production > large production > cost optimization it s a several year long process. > Follow up about 25% gross margin timeline * Around the time that they reach 5 000 week rate. Not right away as there s still some overtime and expediting of parts. So about 3-4 months after they reach that rate. Deepak says it would be more cautious than that others chuckle. Elon is 100% confident that they will reach those margins next year. * Elon gives credit to suppliers. They couldn t get top suppliers or A-team with the top suppliers now with Model 3 they are dealing with the best of the best and it makes a massive difference. Thanks them for getting to this point. > Ryan Brinkman asks about liquidity current cash plus what s available from ABL enough? * Deepak says they expect operating cashflow to be a lot better in 2H than 1H. * Elon says payment terms are much more favorable close to 60 days. They can make the car and get paid for the car before they have to pay suppliers. * There may be some wisdom in having an extra cash reserve but not at this point considering an equity raise. Thinking about debt but not about equity raise. * Because does direct distribution you must include finished good inventory at the dealers to accurately compare Tesla to other auto manufacturers. At a systemic level it takes about 30 days from manufacture to delivery to final client other automakers are 70-90. > Adam Jonas about safety when will we hear more statistics on safety that are being gathered in shadow mode * Elon says significant amount of data is being collected but going through that data is difficult. * Elon spends a lot of his week in the trenches with the AutoPilot team and people should be very pleased with a release coming soon. * 10 terraops (should be terraflops?) in the car > Is SpaceX doing anything that might help the mission of Tesla * Jon says they had a challenge in service this past week with regard to aluminum castings and the SpaceX team saved them 8 hours of work per car * Just one example they get continued help about materials > UBS question about deciding on number Superchargers because ratio of charges to cars is decreasing with Model 3 release * Number of Supercharges will triple between now and next year Elon confident that it will address needs of S X and 3 * Experimenting with first huge Supercharger * JB says Supercharges serve two roles: long distance route and intracity. Says long distance have extra capacity it s the urban sites that need addressed and can be addressed done with less capex. * 3 and high end S have similar charge rate * Elon misspoke Friday he said there was 500 000 net reservations. There are infact 518 000 gross reservations and 455 000 net. Net gain since Friday is over 1 800 per day. Inconsequential because with a small amount of effort they could increase Model 3 reservations. * JB says they ve tested charge times down to 15 minutes with different cells but the trade-offs are not worth it for the customer. > Question about 20 units for engineering validation what are they hoping to learn from those units and employees * Elon clarifies that they are fully certified by DOT and EPA full production cars * Potential problems are not showstoppers just inconsistencies in production process or quality control from supplier * Benefit of selling to employees is that they can identify and correct issues faster than OEMs > Goldman Sachs thanks for net reservation update asks about S and X deliveries * Elon deflects questions about quarter based delivery totals his usual answer here about how they do batch deliveries based on region > Barclays about infrastructure in place to support Model 3 * Discovered 80% of the cars they repair don t require a lift so increasing mobile repair fleet accordingly * Ideal service is unnoticeable repaired while you re at work or home without even knowing it. * That 80% reduction carries over to footprint which they can now dedicate to Model 3. > Question about conversion rate from walk-ins * Improve quarter over quarter and month over month. They don t publish specifics though. * On the solar side they ve put displays and experts and they re finding it s a really natural transition to talk about where their energy comes from * Sales per square foot is so high that you need a telescope to see who s in second * Elon plugs the new integrated app for car powerwall and solar says it s... well he just kind of trailed off. Generally talks it up. > Batter production for S and X any plans to move to Gigafactory * In the short term they will not be moving it. Sometime next year they may move it from Fremont to make room for increased Model 3 production. Especially if that production run rate goes above 10 000 week. * Cells are still coming from Japan for S and X * Despite Model Y using carryover from Model 3 Model Y will still only have 100m of cables and that will eventually come to Model 3. > Will Tesla ever charge more for a few unique offerings like OTA updates etc. * Elon re-emphasizes that every car since October of last year is hardware-capable of full autonomy * They might add some things to charge for in the future but focusing on Model 3 production for now (Tesla Network?) > Q about AutoPilot team turnover will LA to NY by the end of the year still happen? * Tesla is a 33 000 person team and turnover is pretty low relatively speaking * Elon says again he thinks they have the best team in the world and are growing rapidly with world class talent * Believe they are still on track certainly possible Elon will have egg on his face.. but if not end of year it will be very close. Elon time folks! :) That s it. Thanks for reading hopefully some folks that weren t able to listen in can get some value from these notes. Cheers! And thanks for the gold kind stranger. :) | Before everyone freaks out about Q3 earnings please take note: We expect non-GAAP automotive gross margin to temporarily dip below 20% in Q3 before recovering in Q4 and beyond. | 243 | 2 | 1,426 |
6r6sz0 | 241 | Tesla (TSLA) second quarter 2017 results and conference call - Official Thread Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its second quarter 2017 financial results on Wednesday August 2 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: edge.media-server.com m p qbdsup2y) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 4921132525x0x952053 F302D22F-FC9B-41A3-9534-60D0032673CC TSLA_Update_Letter_2017-2Q.pdf) Please keep the posts related to the earnings in this thread | Notes on the call will be updated * Elon strongly emphasized that investors should have *zero* concern about Tesla reaching 10 000 units produced per week by the end of next year. * They remain on track to achieve 5 000 by the end of this year * 80% of the journalists said they would buy the car and most of the remaining 20% said probably * Model S and X has increased with the release of the 3 Elon says pleasant surprise * Rate of orders for S and X has also specifically increased since Friday of the 3 reveal * July Orders for S and X were 15% higher over Q2 * Making improvements on AutoPilot Elon says Developer Preview is really getting to something special * Says talent they re seeing join the team is world class unmatched anywhere * *Net* Model 3 orders is about 1 800 day * Model S is still premium sedan Elon blames himself for confusion with the naming convention (3 != Generation 3) * Solar Roof tiles are installed and working on Elon s house and JB s house. No photoshopping of pictures amateur photos version 1 * Conventional solar is generating (significant?) positive cashflow * Making great progress on the battery front hoping to have a substantial amount done in 8 weeks for Australia **Q& A Session** > James Albertine (sp?) asks about capital expenditures: what comes next for spending on Model 3 and into the Q3 and Q4 * Elon says it s fundamentally impossible to predict the exact timing of the S-curve not trying to mislead anyone. He doesn t think we should expect any significantly negative with regard to capex. Deepak notes that overwhelming majority is Model 3 manufacturing but also Buffalo factory marketing and sales. Elon says they are going to keep that committment to the state of New York to build a kick ass facility. * Makes sense to open a Gigafactory in China and Europe for those markets. Thinking hard about that will some announcements by the end of the year. They don t expect to spend significant amount (this year) mostly selecting location and applying for permits. * Capex on S and X is minor but there is continued improvement to keep pace with Model 3. Deepak notes they are continued to improve on cost reduction Elon says that they will be passing some of those on to customers. * Elon says this is maybe the best he s felt about Tesla. Last week stressed the hell out of him. * Wanted to correct statement about Model Y. It will in fact use substantial carryover from Model 3 to get it to market faster. He credited the executive team for keeping Elon from being a fool. Crazy thing [presumably new platform with minimal wiring] will be punted until after Model Y. > Rob Lochney (sp?) asks about battery breakthroughs like solid state from Toyota. * Elon laughs about battery claims. Tells anyone that has a breakthrough send them a sample or to a neutral third party. Otherwise STFU. When someone has a battery breakthough they come to Tesla first because they re the biggest customer. JB totally agrees with the cautious skepticism about announcements. They ve tested single cell solid state batteries and don t yet see anything that changes their strategy. Elon jokingly begs for a breakthough. * Elon says there is one breakthrough that is confidential but is somewhat confident it will work. Says it s promising in the lab but not yet working. Lab > small production > large production > cost optimization it s a several year long process. > Follow up about 25% gross margin timeline * Around the time that they reach 5 000 week rate. Not right away as there s still some overtime and expediting of parts. So about 3-4 months after they reach that rate. Deepak says it would be more cautious than that others chuckle. Elon is 100% confident that they will reach those margins next year. * Elon gives credit to suppliers. They couldn t get top suppliers or A-team with the top suppliers now with Model 3 they are dealing with the best of the best and it makes a massive difference. Thanks them for getting to this point. > Ryan Brinkman asks about liquidity current cash plus what s available from ABL enough? * Deepak says they expect operating cashflow to be a lot better in 2H than 1H. * Elon says payment terms are much more favorable close to 60 days. They can make the car and get paid for the car before they have to pay suppliers. * There may be some wisdom in having an extra cash reserve but not at this point considering an equity raise. Thinking about debt but not about equity raise. * Because does direct distribution you must include finished good inventory at the dealers to accurately compare Tesla to other auto manufacturers. At a systemic level it takes about 30 days from manufacture to delivery to final client other automakers are 70-90. > Adam Jonas about safety when will we hear more statistics on safety that are being gathered in shadow mode * Elon says significant amount of data is being collected but going through that data is difficult. * Elon spends a lot of his week in the trenches with the AutoPilot team and people should be very pleased with a release coming soon. * 10 terraops (should be terraflops?) in the car > Is SpaceX doing anything that might help the mission of Tesla * Jon says they had a challenge in service this past week with regard to aluminum castings and the SpaceX team saved them 8 hours of work per car * Just one example they get continued help about materials > UBS question about deciding on number Superchargers because ratio of charges to cars is decreasing with Model 3 release * Number of Supercharges will triple between now and next year Elon confident that it will address needs of S X and 3 * Experimenting with first huge Supercharger * JB says Supercharges serve two roles: long distance route and intracity. Says long distance have extra capacity it s the urban sites that need addressed and can be addressed done with less capex. * 3 and high end S have similar charge rate * Elon misspoke Friday he said there was 500 000 net reservations. There are infact 518 000 gross reservations and 455 000 net. Net gain since Friday is over 1 800 per day. Inconsequential because with a small amount of effort they could increase Model 3 reservations. * JB says they ve tested charge times down to 15 minutes with different cells but the trade-offs are not worth it for the customer. > Question about 20 units for engineering validation what are they hoping to learn from those units and employees * Elon clarifies that they are fully certified by DOT and EPA full production cars * Potential problems are not showstoppers just inconsistencies in production process or quality control from supplier * Benefit of selling to employees is that they can identify and correct issues faster than OEMs > Goldman Sachs thanks for net reservation update asks about S and X deliveries * Elon deflects questions about quarter based delivery totals his usual answer here about how they do batch deliveries based on region > Barclays about infrastructure in place to support Model 3 * Discovered 80% of the cars they repair don t require a lift so increasing mobile repair fleet accordingly * Ideal service is unnoticeable repaired while you re at work or home without even knowing it. * That 80% reduction carries over to footprint which they can now dedicate to Model 3. > Question about conversion rate from walk-ins * Improve quarter over quarter and month over month. They don t publish specifics though. * On the solar side they ve put displays and experts and they re finding it s a really natural transition to talk about where their energy comes from * Sales per square foot is so high that you need a telescope to see who s in second * Elon plugs the new integrated app for car powerwall and solar says it s... well he just kind of trailed off. Generally talks it up. > Batter production for S and X any plans to move to Gigafactory * In the short term they will not be moving it. Sometime next year they may move it from Fremont to make room for increased Model 3 production. Especially if that production run rate goes above 10 000 week. * Cells are still coming from Japan for S and X * Despite Model Y using carryover from Model 3 Model Y will still only have 100m of cables and that will eventually come to Model 3. > Will Tesla ever charge more for a few unique offerings like OTA updates etc. * Elon re-emphasizes that every car since October of last year is hardware-capable of full autonomy * They might add some things to charge for in the future but focusing on Model 3 production for now (Tesla Network?) > Q about AutoPilot team turnover will LA to NY by the end of the year still happen? * Tesla is a 33 000 person team and turnover is pretty low relatively speaking * Elon says again he thinks they have the best team in the world and are growing rapidly with world class talent * Believe they are still on track certainly possible Elon will have egg on his face.. but if not end of year it will be very close. Elon time folks! :) That s it. Thanks for reading hopefully some folks that weren t able to listen in can get some value from these notes. Cheers! And thanks for the gold kind stranger. :) | Can someone correct me if I m wrong - isn t the plan to scale to 1M cars mo out of Fremont GF1 by 2020? | 243 | 2 | 1,427 |
6r7rjp | 87 | Model Y will share much of Model 3 Architecture. Musk originally planned on having Model Y being a new ground up design with the > 100 meter wire harness. However Musk following convincing from the Tesla executive has reconsidered his position and decided that the Model Y crazy design will be pushed further down the road in the name of bringing the Model Y significantly quicker to market. Thoughts? 2018 release as a opposed to 2019? | * Wiring Harness < 100m is still planned. (very end of the call) * Aiming for maximum component re-use.. so not a complete architectural overhaul. | What is your source for this? | 28 | 2 | 1,428 |
6r7rjp | 87 | Model Y will share much of Model 3 Architecture. Musk originally planned on having Model Y being a new ground up design with the > 100 meter wire harness. However Musk following convincing from the Tesla executive has reconsidered his position and decided that the Model Y crazy design will be pushed further down the road in the name of bringing the Model Y significantly quicker to market. Thoughts? 2018 release as a opposed to 2019? | * Wiring Harness < 100m is still planned. (very end of the call) * Aiming for maximum component re-use.. so not a complete architectural overhaul. | I want the proposed model Y over the 3 but I m afraid of the price tag. | 28 | 2 | 1,429 |
6rcdfg | 31 | Oh sh*t handles and clothes hanger hook Any idea if the model 3 will have the handles above doors? Figure it would be a cheap to put those but I can t really find a picture of that area in the cabin. Also do you think there is a clothes hanger hook in the back to hang like a suit or something? | The handles are graphically represented on the touchscreen. On the UI just press the WTF button then select driver or passenger side then tap Oh shit . Pinch to adjust size. | Various late night drive videos mentioned showed clothing hooks on the B? pillar neat little fold out things. | 52 | 5 | 1,430 |
6rcdfg | 31 | Oh sh*t handles and clothes hanger hook Any idea if the model 3 will have the handles above doors? Figure it would be a cheap to put those but I can t really find a picture of that area in the cabin. Also do you think there is a clothes hanger hook in the back to hang like a suit or something? | The handles are graphically represented on the touchscreen. On the UI just press the WTF button then select driver or passenger side then tap Oh shit . Pinch to adjust size. | There are hooks that fold out (2 in the back). It s pretty cool. No handles though. | 52 | 10 | 1,431 |
6rcdfg | 31 | Oh sh*t handles and clothes hanger hook Any idea if the model 3 will have the handles above doors? Figure it would be a cheap to put those but I can t really find a picture of that area in the cabin. Also do you think there is a clothes hanger hook in the back to hang like a suit or something? | The handles are graphically represented on the touchscreen. On the UI just press the WTF button then select driver or passenger side then tap Oh shit . Pinch to adjust size. | It may be cheap to put oh s#1t handles... but it s even cheaper to NOT put oh s#1t handles. (it doesn t have them lol) | 52 | 26 | 1,432 |
6rgmfw | 429 | The Chevy Bolt costs $2.5k more than the Model 3 can t charge in less than 9 hours has less room has a much shorter warranty and can t drive itself. Why are people still talking about it? I feel like I m in some sort of bazaro world with all these people comparing the Bolt to the Model 3. & nbsp The Bolt costs $2 495 more than the model 3 yet doesn t come with fast charging capabilities. DC fast charging is a $750 add-on. Without paying for that it takes over 9 hours to charge the Bolt from empty to full. & nbsp And the $750 fast charge option is not even that fast! The Bolt can charge at a speed up to 90 miles per 30 minutes of charging while the Model 3 charges at a rate of 130 miles in 30 minutes. & nbsp People also seem to think the bolt is roomier for some reason? It s not. It s more cramped. | Bolt | Model 3 ---------|----------|---------- Head Room | 39.7 in | 39.6 in Leg Room | 41.6 in | 42.7 in Shoulder Room | 54.6 in | 56.3 in Hip Room | 51.6 in | 53.4 in & nbsp And then there are the warranties: > **Bolt:** > 3 year or 36 000 mile Bumper-to-Bumper warranty > 5 year or 60 000 mile Powertrain warranty & nbsp > **Model 3:** > 4 year 50 000 mile Bumper-to-Bumper warranty > 8 year infinite mile Powertrain warranty & nbsp And on top of all that unlike the Bolt the Model 3 can drive itself. (for a fee) & nbsp All of this info is on the company s websites. Then there is the fact that Chevy LOSES MONEY ON EVERY BOLT IT SELLS meanwhile Tesla can make the Model 3 with a 25% margin. How the hell are people still talking about the Bolt? Are people just uninformed or is there something I am missing? & nbsp Edit: Sorry the model 3 warranty is 100 000 miles not infinite like the s x but still a lot more than the Bolt. & nbsp Edit2: People are saying I shouldn t claim that the model 3 can drive itself when it can t yet. I disagree the Autopilot is self driving. Other cars have lane assist features but no car comes close to autopilot. There are videos on youtube of the model s driving hundreds of mile without anyone touching the steering wheel (the water bottle trick) and while this trick is condemned by most it s something that no other car can do and shows that the car actually can drive itself. And then the [official video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=wuhbqcMzOaw) showing a model x (using the same hardware as the model 3) navigating busy neighborhoods by itself. And while this software is not available to the public is proves that the car *can* drive itself it just *doesn t* right now. & nbsp And then there is the collision avoidance system (which comes standard on the model 3 and is not available on the bolt) in which the car will *take control away from you* and use autosteer and braking to attempt to avoid a crash. Who is going to argue that the car isn t driving itself at that point? & nbsp There is no doubt that the Model 3 can drive itself it s not full self driving . But it is driving itself. The bolt cannot. & nbsp Edit 3: Oh yeah and the Bolt is slower. I forgot about that one. | I hear you but to play Devil s Advocate - 1) The Bolt did beat the Model 3 to market. That s why it got 2017 Motor Trend Car of the Year (and why I won t throw a hissyfit if Model 3 doesn t get 2018 s award despite being clearly superior). 2) Bolt didn t just beat Model 3 to market it was the first 200+ mile range EV in the US under $60k (and well under it - $35k is the average price for a new car). Huge milestone. 3) While Bolt is a little more expensive it gets a little more range so $ range is the same (remember Tesla has a $1 000 Dest& Doc fee that s already built into Bolt s price). 4) The Bolt is a hatchback. I don t understand why anyone ever buys sedans. I m keeping my hatchback because I still need a practical car where my dog has room to do his thing. 5) Chevy has 4 200 dealerships in the US I think a good majority have service centers vs 300 Tesla service centers. 6) Tesla loses money on every Model 3 it sells. Elon said this yesterday during the earnings call. 25% margin is the eventual number. OK that s it! I do agree fanboyism aside the Model 3 blows the Bolt away. | It was the first affordable BEV you could buy with over 200 miles of range so it has first mover mindshare. | 186 | 10 | 1,433 |
6rgmfw | 429 | The Chevy Bolt costs $2.5k more than the Model 3 can t charge in less than 9 hours has less room has a much shorter warranty and can t drive itself. Why are people still talking about it? I feel like I m in some sort of bazaro world with all these people comparing the Bolt to the Model 3. & nbsp The Bolt costs $2 495 more than the model 3 yet doesn t come with fast charging capabilities. DC fast charging is a $750 add-on. Without paying for that it takes over 9 hours to charge the Bolt from empty to full. & nbsp And the $750 fast charge option is not even that fast! The Bolt can charge at a speed up to 90 miles per 30 minutes of charging while the Model 3 charges at a rate of 130 miles in 30 minutes. & nbsp People also seem to think the bolt is roomier for some reason? It s not. It s more cramped. | Bolt | Model 3 ---------|----------|---------- Head Room | 39.7 in | 39.6 in Leg Room | 41.6 in | 42.7 in Shoulder Room | 54.6 in | 56.3 in Hip Room | 51.6 in | 53.4 in & nbsp And then there are the warranties: > **Bolt:** > 3 year or 36 000 mile Bumper-to-Bumper warranty > 5 year or 60 000 mile Powertrain warranty & nbsp > **Model 3:** > 4 year 50 000 mile Bumper-to-Bumper warranty > 8 year infinite mile Powertrain warranty & nbsp And on top of all that unlike the Bolt the Model 3 can drive itself. (for a fee) & nbsp All of this info is on the company s websites. Then there is the fact that Chevy LOSES MONEY ON EVERY BOLT IT SELLS meanwhile Tesla can make the Model 3 with a 25% margin. How the hell are people still talking about the Bolt? Are people just uninformed or is there something I am missing? & nbsp Edit: Sorry the model 3 warranty is 100 000 miles not infinite like the s x but still a lot more than the Bolt. & nbsp Edit2: People are saying I shouldn t claim that the model 3 can drive itself when it can t yet. I disagree the Autopilot is self driving. Other cars have lane assist features but no car comes close to autopilot. There are videos on youtube of the model s driving hundreds of mile without anyone touching the steering wheel (the water bottle trick) and while this trick is condemned by most it s something that no other car can do and shows that the car actually can drive itself. And then the [official video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=wuhbqcMzOaw) showing a model x (using the same hardware as the model 3) navigating busy neighborhoods by itself. And while this software is not available to the public is proves that the car *can* drive itself it just *doesn t* right now. & nbsp And then there is the collision avoidance system (which comes standard on the model 3 and is not available on the bolt) in which the car will *take control away from you* and use autosteer and braking to attempt to avoid a crash. Who is going to argue that the car isn t driving itself at that point? & nbsp There is no doubt that the Model 3 can drive itself it s not full self driving . But it is driving itself. The bolt cannot. & nbsp Edit 3: Oh yeah and the Bolt is slower. I forgot about that one. | -Dealerships can and do offer huge discounts. -It s available now. -It s a hatchback. ... I wouldn t buy one after test driving it last weekend because I ve driven the Model S and X and have an idea how much better the Model 3 will be. | It was the first affordable BEV you could buy with over 200 miles of range so it has first mover mindshare. | 178 | 10 | 1,434 |
6rgmfw | 429 | The Chevy Bolt costs $2.5k more than the Model 3 can t charge in less than 9 hours has less room has a much shorter warranty and can t drive itself. Why are people still talking about it? I feel like I m in some sort of bazaro world with all these people comparing the Bolt to the Model 3. & nbsp The Bolt costs $2 495 more than the model 3 yet doesn t come with fast charging capabilities. DC fast charging is a $750 add-on. Without paying for that it takes over 9 hours to charge the Bolt from empty to full. & nbsp And the $750 fast charge option is not even that fast! The Bolt can charge at a speed up to 90 miles per 30 minutes of charging while the Model 3 charges at a rate of 130 miles in 30 minutes. & nbsp People also seem to think the bolt is roomier for some reason? It s not. It s more cramped. | Bolt | Model 3 ---------|----------|---------- Head Room | 39.7 in | 39.6 in Leg Room | 41.6 in | 42.7 in Shoulder Room | 54.6 in | 56.3 in Hip Room | 51.6 in | 53.4 in & nbsp And then there are the warranties: > **Bolt:** > 3 year or 36 000 mile Bumper-to-Bumper warranty > 5 year or 60 000 mile Powertrain warranty & nbsp > **Model 3:** > 4 year 50 000 mile Bumper-to-Bumper warranty > 8 year infinite mile Powertrain warranty & nbsp And on top of all that unlike the Bolt the Model 3 can drive itself. (for a fee) & nbsp All of this info is on the company s websites. Then there is the fact that Chevy LOSES MONEY ON EVERY BOLT IT SELLS meanwhile Tesla can make the Model 3 with a 25% margin. How the hell are people still talking about the Bolt? Are people just uninformed or is there something I am missing? & nbsp Edit: Sorry the model 3 warranty is 100 000 miles not infinite like the s x but still a lot more than the Bolt. & nbsp Edit2: People are saying I shouldn t claim that the model 3 can drive itself when it can t yet. I disagree the Autopilot is self driving. Other cars have lane assist features but no car comes close to autopilot. There are videos on youtube of the model s driving hundreds of mile without anyone touching the steering wheel (the water bottle trick) and while this trick is condemned by most it s something that no other car can do and shows that the car actually can drive itself. And then the [official video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=wuhbqcMzOaw) showing a model x (using the same hardware as the model 3) navigating busy neighborhoods by itself. And while this software is not available to the public is proves that the car *can* drive itself it just *doesn t* right now. & nbsp And then there is the collision avoidance system (which comes standard on the model 3 and is not available on the bolt) in which the car will *take control away from you* and use autosteer and braking to attempt to avoid a crash. Who is going to argue that the car isn t driving itself at that point? & nbsp There is no doubt that the Model 3 can drive itself it s not full self driving . But it is driving itself. The bolt cannot. & nbsp Edit 3: Oh yeah and the Bolt is slower. I forgot about that one. | Please don t imply that the TM3 can drive itself. It might be a goal it might have all the hardware it might be closer than anything else but it isn t close yet because from everything I ve read AP2 hasn t even hit parity with AP1 and then of course the real fun begins with red tape and regulations. The bolt is available now. It is an electric car. It is in the same general price range. What else would we compare the TM3 to? Let s not elevate a car most of us have not seen or driven in person to some untouchable pedestal. | It was the first affordable BEV you could buy with over 200 miles of range so it has first mover mindshare. | 55 | 10 | 1,435 |
6rjdq2 | 46 | I cancelled my Model 3 reservation and now I regret it I m in the UK and I pre-ordered on day one. After finding that my estimated delivery delivery is early 2019 I requested a refund and lost my place in line. I knew when I made the reservation that I d be pushed to afford even the base model but I had some spare cash and I thought why not? My current car lease ends in early 2018 and I guessed (hoped) that delivery to the UK might start shortly thereafter. After learning the cost of the range upgrade paint Autopilot etc. and with the pound Sterling tanking since the Brexit vote I decided there was no way I could afford this car. Plus what do I do for a year before it s available? I figured I d be better off with my £1 000 back. But as soon as I cancelled I was filled with regret. The UK price hasn t actually been confirmed yet and the financing options haven t been revealed either. I ve gone 15+ months without that £1K why couldn t I have waited a few more months to at least see the options? I pay about £280 per month for my current car and I don t have much spare cash to put towards a Model 3 deposit. I could stretch to maybe £50-75 more per month. Was cancelling the right thing to do? | Mate it s just a car. The cost of a new car is extraordinary and value is lost quickly. You would be better served finding a lower cost option like a used EV or EREV (leaf volt etc) until the used model 3s come around. Take that £1000 and put it in account for saving... | Check the financing options for the cheapest Model S half that monthly payment should be in the neighborhood of the cheapest Model 3. If you want range and autopilot the price goes up. Not sure if you want to lease but if not I d think it d be too expensive for you. | 109 | 4 | 1,436 |
6roje8 | 40 | Elon Musk gained over 1 billion $ net worth from TSLA within 2 days. If my amateurish calculations are indeed correct Elon gained over 1 billion net worth within just 2 days after TSLA Q2 Results. Elons shares show 33 632 422 at [nasdaq](http: www.nasdaq.com quotes insiders musk-elon-831665). Closing share price at 2017-08-02 before results and earnings call was 325.89$ and on 2017-08-04 closing price was 356.91$. $12 003 747 736 - $10 960 470 006 ___________________ $1 043 277 730 | Theres nobody else I would rather have the money than Elon Musk (excluding myself). He risked it all to revolutionize the auto industry. Thankfully with his success we get nice things like the Boring Company. | https: www.bleedingcool.com wp-content uploads 2015 10 drevil_cover.jpg | 48 | 3 | 1,437 |
6roje8 | 40 | Elon Musk gained over 1 billion $ net worth from TSLA within 2 days. If my amateurish calculations are indeed correct Elon gained over 1 billion net worth within just 2 days after TSLA Q2 Results. Elons shares show 33 632 422 at [nasdaq](http: www.nasdaq.com quotes insiders musk-elon-831665). Closing share price at 2017-08-02 before results and earnings call was 325.89$ and on 2017-08-04 closing price was 356.91$. $12 003 747 736 - $10 960 470 006 ___________________ $1 043 277 730 | Theres nobody else I would rather have the money than Elon Musk (excluding myself). He risked it all to revolutionize the auto industry. Thankfully with his success we get nice things like the Boring Company. | Still a billion down from when it was 386.99 though. At least it probably won t be too much longer before it s back up there. | 48 | 9 | 1,438 |
6roje8 | 40 | Elon Musk gained over 1 billion $ net worth from TSLA within 2 days. If my amateurish calculations are indeed correct Elon gained over 1 billion net worth within just 2 days after TSLA Q2 Results. Elons shares show 33 632 422 at [nasdaq](http: www.nasdaq.com quotes insiders musk-elon-831665). Closing share price at 2017-08-02 before results and earnings call was 325.89$ and on 2017-08-04 closing price was 356.91$. $12 003 747 736 - $10 960 470 006 ___________________ $1 043 277 730 | Theres nobody else I would rather have the money than Elon Musk (excluding myself). He risked it all to revolutionize the auto industry. Thankfully with his success we get nice things like the Boring Company. | Not a bad 48 hours work. | 48 | 21 | 1,439 |
6rpnq7 | 31 | Has anybody seen a model 3 with a FRONT license plate? Do they even have a bracket for that? AFAIK Maryland is a two-plate state so I m wondering what needs to happen for the car to be law abiding. | kinda saw one...: [pic](https: lh3.googleusercontent.com fRqhhmS1whIsEbkOAS77Nl3SUaxCILtzsEhuIXBe2pDnHoFIw6wNJCJ14iiMs_3DdjX7_je-tAy0rdyotMxL11JlRl_IFd7NrrHQkWShemayVxhkaeomZOttTAi79p0vLXWCjYVAUfmEC69UhxkD7gyJRpsXMZ3BjvQbpWNFAiCO-BL_6z3zt4wsztlGJpYZBs9OZenWHth4cP6uDTwzNpLnw4pg3r_a000AZhjxfR1QGOeuE6IK4S1VQmPEGbXxSxFKT6jPYjzPVAdUilF9y8VBe0Y37uup-AAvVrLBWeg913MgI3sE6J758nU2TlRXdK81lNXL_293HcS1kcXJ9ATxD5ZUNkcTBvm6kYTXo5qy02zaEKQ7psXuexBwUKuU3lvlbP3zPbFYWcY70Z0iL8yJIWsEWtA-jJFokLmrZeLRAhtfYAR2MefTwT6y1VVNeFB6qHyxE3FYanhFwsmbsJjkr3ZFRqZE6ueacXLLYh7xzZfPIb36fvTEdlU_r8eMCyfxQi6lWCjlv1cFbmxvxxO5jwgOhv8S92XiRR63zz84_aJkKTbSyfKMt7f9aFBM7YNtQkzjcbMoK4wPp9q1c4bbm2iUk5MXCMe028VDOjqMr1KQBCfUTR5flCUjPvc8lhMvZJSyIx7sHP3a9cV5emdHfpaUTJNjwI7H6ZcWiNs5N_s=w1253-h940-no) | I have one. Suction cups to keep it one. It stays in my frunk unless I am at LAX or Santa Monica Pier. | 33 | 7 | 1,440 |
6rrv4f | 21 | Two NEMA 14-50 hooked up to single 100A circuit? I want to future proof my charging situation in my garage for the time when I have two Teslas charging at the same time. Can I have two NEMA 14-50 outlets hooked up to the same 100A circuit and be ok to charge 2 Teslas? What about 1 NEMA 14-50 and 1 HPWC? Edit: Thanks to everyone I created some diagrams that show my plans: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6rrv4f two_nema_1450_hooked_up_to_single_100a_circuit dl7lxh9 | It would work but it would be a violation of the electrical code in the US and potentially dangerous. The point of a circuit breaker is to avoid the circuit from ever drawing more than is safe. No 14-50 NEMA device should draw more than 50 amps so the device the outlet and the wiring is protected by a 50 amp breaker. If something malfunctions or short circuits and draws more than 50 amps the circuit trips to prevent a dangerous situation. So two 14-50 NEMA outlets should be on seperate 50 amp branches not a single 100 amp branch. With a single 100 amp branch if your Tesla malfunctioned and drew say 70 amps it would overheat the outlet and charging cable possibly causing a fire. Since you are incorrectly using a 100 amp breaker the breaker would dangerously supply 70 amps without tripping even while a fire potentially starts. In you wanted you could run a single 100 amp branch from your main panel (protected by a single 100 amp breaker in main panel) to a spot in your garage near where you want the outlets and put a subpanel there. The subpanel would then have two 50 amp breakers each for a short 50 amp branch to the two NEMA 14-50 outlets. | Why not schedule them to not charge simultaneously? I think two circuits makes more sense than a single enormous circuit. Homes have multiple 15A circuits for a reason not one huge 150A circuit. | 35 | 6 | 1,441 |
6rsy4a | 129 | Windows auto close in the rain My cousin had a great idea. When it rains outside and the windows are left down the rain sensor would know and trigger your windows and sunroof to close. This function would not happen if there was someone present in the driver seat though. Thoughts? | I would like it to be a function on the cell phone ap if they did something like that. Where you could open or close the windows. | It s a good idea but why would you leave your window open when you re not with the car? | 51 | 6 | 1,442 |
6rsy4a | 129 | Windows auto close in the rain My cousin had a great idea. When it rains outside and the windows are left down the rain sensor would know and trigger your windows and sunroof to close. This function would not happen if there was someone present in the driver seat though. Thoughts? | I would like it to be a function on the cell phone ap if they did something like that. Where you could open or close the windows. | This problem has already been solved because the ac will keep the cabin cool during hot days and you won t roll the windows down to begin with | 51 | 9 | 1,443 |
6rv8r7 | 29 | What do we still need pictures of? So if someone does catch a model 3 in the wild what do we still need pictures of? Anything? Or those few we know who have them what pictures video should we beg of them? (that charging video was great we finally know how the charging door works) Here s list of the ones that have a chance: Back seats folded down https: s2.postimg.org bajm6qk3d 20170806_002612.png (still need side shot through back door) Hole under the nose and any other interesting writing bits there. 12V aux power socket (inside centre console?) Driver door controls VIN numbers (esp over 30) Roof rack anchor points ~~Elusive battery sticker.~~ (50 and 75) Confirmation picture of OBDII port Sound system speakers Various objects in trunk (bike stroller) Various objects in cupholders glovebox etc. (Tim s large coffees 9 ipad you get the idea) | Every page of the manual. | The hole underneath the nose. Also there are markings and writing under the car. Interested to see what it says. | 38 | 3 | 1,444 |
6rv8r7 | 29 | What do we still need pictures of? So if someone does catch a model 3 in the wild what do we still need pictures of? Anything? Or those few we know who have them what pictures video should we beg of them? (that charging video was great we finally know how the charging door works) Here s list of the ones that have a chance: Back seats folded down https: s2.postimg.org bajm6qk3d 20170806_002612.png (still need side shot through back door) Hole under the nose and any other interesting writing bits there. 12V aux power socket (inside centre console?) Driver door controls VIN numbers (esp over 30) Roof rack anchor points ~~Elusive battery sticker.~~ (50 and 75) Confirmation picture of OBDII port Sound system speakers Various objects in trunk (bike stroller) Various objects in cupholders glovebox etc. (Tim s large coffees 9 ipad you get the idea) | non-premium interior | Any chance the Nvidia supercomputer is easily found? Would love some pics from the daring :) | 28 | 2 | 1,445 |
6rxizg | 314 | Degraded superchargers are a continuing problem I took a road trip from LA to Vegas and experienced 40 kW max at both Redondo and Primm superchargers. I was not sharing a stall pair it was around 80*F and charging in the 10-40% range where my car normally gets 100-110 kW (which my car got just fine the next day). After my trip I called customer service and the rep was able to instantly look up supercharger info and confirm that those locations were degraded and he could see everyone else getting < 40 kW. Why can phone reps see this info instantly but we can t? Max charge rate and degradation should be added to the stalls available info on the touchscreen map so we can plan around the problems. I was late to work and had passengers so this gave their perception of Tesla a black eye. Also this was my third road trip this year where I ve run into this so the individual supercharger problems really need to be fixed faster because it s way too common especially with the mass production of model 3 s starting soon. Charging on long distance road trips is really the only downside of owning an EV so this is a very important issue to iron out for Tesla don t make it worse! It needs to be 100% reliable.. | There should not be any reason any one to report this. This is data tesla sits on and Tesla should pick this up and take action without any intervention from Tesla customers. | I agree and I ll start reporting them too. The Glen Allen superchargers have had bad stalls the last two times I ve used them but the ones closer to the transformer worked fine. There was also one at the Rocky Mount location that wouldn t even plug into the car. | 102 | 36 | 1,446 |
6rxizg | 314 | Degraded superchargers are a continuing problem I took a road trip from LA to Vegas and experienced 40 kW max at both Redondo and Primm superchargers. I was not sharing a stall pair it was around 80*F and charging in the 10-40% range where my car normally gets 100-110 kW (which my car got just fine the next day). After my trip I called customer service and the rep was able to instantly look up supercharger info and confirm that those locations were degraded and he could see everyone else getting < 40 kW. Why can phone reps see this info instantly but we can t? Max charge rate and degradation should be added to the stalls available info on the touchscreen map so we can plan around the problems. I was late to work and had passengers so this gave their perception of Tesla a black eye. Also this was my third road trip this year where I ve run into this so the individual supercharger problems really need to be fixed faster because it s way too common especially with the mass production of model 3 s starting soon. Charging on long distance road trips is really the only downside of owning an EV so this is a very important issue to iron out for Tesla don t make it worse! It needs to be 100% reliable.. | How can Superchargers degrade ? I know those charger stalls are supplied by a stack of ten or twelve small chargers (the same ones that are in the cars themselves) - do a number of those fail and only the rest work? | The direct Supercharger support number is the Tesla support number plus 2 1. I have in my phone as a contact with 1 (877) 798-3752 2 1 So all you need to do is punch it and you are connected to the Supercharger team Note that my car isn t here yet so that info is from a TMC post. :D | 42 | 15 | 1,447 |
6rycsj | 443 | Shots fired in the State of Texas -- there will be blood wall of text edition. After waiting two months to hear back from Tesla s legal department about what they planned to do officially and how the Tesla Owners Groups might coordinate an effort with them I undertook it upon myself to submit the following Open Records Request. My understanding is that the final rule-making for the $2 500 Texas EV tax rebate is due on September 1st. The State of Texas will have 20 days to respond to the open records request below. I will only have a couple days to review the information and act upon it. This has been lightly edited below for clarity: ------------------------------- Greetings: It was my understanding that TCEQ was currently formulating the rules for the TERP EV rebates contained in SB 1731. SB 1731 was signed into law by Governor Abbott in June. I am writing to find out the status of the TCEQ s rule-making with respect to the $2 500 Electric Vehicle rebate as well as to formally file this **open records request** for **all documents pertaining to the rule-making for the TERP $2 500 EV rebate pursuant to Texas Government Code Chapter 552.** The reason for this request is simple. It appears TCEQ is going to once again require that vehicles be purchased from Texas automobile dealers in order to qualify for the rebate. This is a likely violation of the Commerce Clause which prohibits discrimination against interstate commerce. The fact that for example a Tesla purchased in California to be registered as a new car in Texas would not qualify for the $2 500 EV tax rebate is likely a violation of Art. 1 § 8 Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution because of the disparate impact it has on out-of-state commerce. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that violations of the dormant Commerce Clause may be brought pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983. *Dennis v. Higgins* 498 U.S. 439 (1991). For this reason a constitutional challenge to the program s administration were it found unconstitutional could result in substantial legal fees being incurred by TCEQ. I am hereby requesting from TCEQ especially **all documents information analyses or memoranda pertaining to whether TCEQ has considered whether or not its administration of the $2 5000 Electric Vehicle Rebate complies with the Commerce Clause Equal Protection Clause and Due Process clauses of the U.S. and Texas Constitutions.** I do not see that the TERP program is undergoing any rule-making based on searching the TCEQ website despite this clear language in the SB 1731 bill in § 386.153 mandating that the TCEQ “*shall adopt rules necessary to implement the program*.” What is the current status of this rule-making and how would one submit public comments on it? According to the TCEQ website these are the only active rule-making projects: [*Project Search Results omitted*] Please advise as to when the open records request can be fulfilled and why the rule-making process seems to be absent from the TCEQ s website? Very truly yours u stevejust | You re doing the lords work. Please keep us Texans posted as this would be huge for Model 3 owners! | Best of luck. | 185 | 26 | 1,448 |
6rycsj | 443 | Shots fired in the State of Texas -- there will be blood wall of text edition. After waiting two months to hear back from Tesla s legal department about what they planned to do officially and how the Tesla Owners Groups might coordinate an effort with them I undertook it upon myself to submit the following Open Records Request. My understanding is that the final rule-making for the $2 500 Texas EV tax rebate is due on September 1st. The State of Texas will have 20 days to respond to the open records request below. I will only have a couple days to review the information and act upon it. This has been lightly edited below for clarity: ------------------------------- Greetings: It was my understanding that TCEQ was currently formulating the rules for the TERP EV rebates contained in SB 1731. SB 1731 was signed into law by Governor Abbott in June. I am writing to find out the status of the TCEQ s rule-making with respect to the $2 500 Electric Vehicle rebate as well as to formally file this **open records request** for **all documents pertaining to the rule-making for the TERP $2 500 EV rebate pursuant to Texas Government Code Chapter 552.** The reason for this request is simple. It appears TCEQ is going to once again require that vehicles be purchased from Texas automobile dealers in order to qualify for the rebate. This is a likely violation of the Commerce Clause which prohibits discrimination against interstate commerce. The fact that for example a Tesla purchased in California to be registered as a new car in Texas would not qualify for the $2 500 EV tax rebate is likely a violation of Art. 1 § 8 Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution because of the disparate impact it has on out-of-state commerce. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that violations of the dormant Commerce Clause may be brought pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983. *Dennis v. Higgins* 498 U.S. 439 (1991). For this reason a constitutional challenge to the program s administration were it found unconstitutional could result in substantial legal fees being incurred by TCEQ. I am hereby requesting from TCEQ especially **all documents information analyses or memoranda pertaining to whether TCEQ has considered whether or not its administration of the $2 5000 Electric Vehicle Rebate complies with the Commerce Clause Equal Protection Clause and Due Process clauses of the U.S. and Texas Constitutions.** I do not see that the TERP program is undergoing any rule-making based on searching the TCEQ website despite this clear language in the SB 1731 bill in § 386.153 mandating that the TCEQ “*shall adopt rules necessary to implement the program*.” What is the current status of this rule-making and how would one submit public comments on it? According to the TCEQ website these are the only active rule-making projects: [*Project Search Results omitted*] Please advise as to when the open records request can be fulfilled and why the rule-making process seems to be absent from the TCEQ s website? Very truly yours u stevejust | You re doing the lords work. Please keep us Texans posted as this would be huge for Model 3 owners! | Fantastic. You had an extra 0 in the 2 5000 bold part though :(. | 185 | 32 | 1,449 |
6rycsj | 443 | Shots fired in the State of Texas -- there will be blood wall of text edition. After waiting two months to hear back from Tesla s legal department about what they planned to do officially and how the Tesla Owners Groups might coordinate an effort with them I undertook it upon myself to submit the following Open Records Request. My understanding is that the final rule-making for the $2 500 Texas EV tax rebate is due on September 1st. The State of Texas will have 20 days to respond to the open records request below. I will only have a couple days to review the information and act upon it. This has been lightly edited below for clarity: ------------------------------- Greetings: It was my understanding that TCEQ was currently formulating the rules for the TERP EV rebates contained in SB 1731. SB 1731 was signed into law by Governor Abbott in June. I am writing to find out the status of the TCEQ s rule-making with respect to the $2 500 Electric Vehicle rebate as well as to formally file this **open records request** for **all documents pertaining to the rule-making for the TERP $2 500 EV rebate pursuant to Texas Government Code Chapter 552.** The reason for this request is simple. It appears TCEQ is going to once again require that vehicles be purchased from Texas automobile dealers in order to qualify for the rebate. This is a likely violation of the Commerce Clause which prohibits discrimination against interstate commerce. The fact that for example a Tesla purchased in California to be registered as a new car in Texas would not qualify for the $2 500 EV tax rebate is likely a violation of Art. 1 § 8 Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution because of the disparate impact it has on out-of-state commerce. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that violations of the dormant Commerce Clause may be brought pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1983. *Dennis v. Higgins* 498 U.S. 439 (1991). For this reason a constitutional challenge to the program s administration were it found unconstitutional could result in substantial legal fees being incurred by TCEQ. I am hereby requesting from TCEQ especially **all documents information analyses or memoranda pertaining to whether TCEQ has considered whether or not its administration of the $2 5000 Electric Vehicle Rebate complies with the Commerce Clause Equal Protection Clause and Due Process clauses of the U.S. and Texas Constitutions.** I do not see that the TERP program is undergoing any rule-making based on searching the TCEQ website despite this clear language in the SB 1731 bill in § 386.153 mandating that the TCEQ “*shall adopt rules necessary to implement the program*.” What is the current status of this rule-making and how would one submit public comments on it? According to the TCEQ website these are the only active rule-making projects: [*Project Search Results omitted*] Please advise as to when the open records request can be fulfilled and why the rule-making process seems to be absent from the TCEQ s website? Very truly yours u stevejust | Thanks for doing this. I m in Austin and if there s anything I can do to help I ll gladly do it. This stuff annoys me so much. | awesome work man | 85 | 19 | 1,450 |
6rza8w | 331 | Model 3 EPA Certification Data! All I can say is that Tesla s really outdone themselves with the 3. * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L13.PDF For comparison here s the data Tesla s submitted for their other models this year. * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L1S.PDF * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L2SV2.PDF * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L2XV3.PDF I m especially impressed that the 3 LR went farther (city) as far (highway) as the S 100D did on the testing. I m not sure if this will pan out in the EPA estimates since this is just the data for the first however many 3s but it s still awesome! | Wow **huge** news here: 1. As u legomanww mentioned Model 3 uses **permanent magnet motors** the same as the Bolt not induction motors like the Model S X. 2. The Model 3 pack 2170 cells have a **lower** specific energy than the S X packs 18650s: 150Wh kg vs 170Wh kg. 3. Regenerative braking affects **both** axles in RWD Model 3 (versus just the rear in RWD S). 4. Model 3 LR has **258HP** (compared to 376HP in the Model S 75). 5. Model 3 LR end-of-charge is **78.3kWh** (Tesla s number given to the EPA in the comments actually). | So where in these files do we find the battery pack sizes? Is it this? > Recharge Event Energy (kiloWatt-hours) 89.404 That s right next to this: > Charge Depleting Range (Calculated miles) 495.11 So I highly doubt that s accurate lol | 138 | 5 | 1,451 |
6rza8w | 331 | Model 3 EPA Certification Data! All I can say is that Tesla s really outdone themselves with the 3. * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L13.PDF For comparison here s the data Tesla s submitted for their other models this year. * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L1S.PDF * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L2SV2.PDF * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L2XV3.PDF I m especially impressed that the 3 LR went farther (city) as far (highway) as the S 100D did on the testing. I m not sure if this will pan out in the EPA estimates since this is just the data for the first however many 3s but it s still awesome! | Wow **huge** news here: 1. As u legomanww mentioned Model 3 uses **permanent magnet motors** the same as the Bolt not induction motors like the Model S X. 2. The Model 3 pack 2170 cells have a **lower** specific energy than the S X packs 18650s: 150Wh kg vs 170Wh kg. 3. Regenerative braking affects **both** axles in RWD Model 3 (versus just the rear in RWD S). 4. Model 3 LR has **258HP** (compared to 376HP in the Model S 75). 5. Model 3 LR end-of-charge is **78.3kWh** (Tesla s number given to the EPA in the comments actually). | It says No OBD requirement | 138 | 10 | 1,452 |
6rza8w | 331 | Model 3 EPA Certification Data! All I can say is that Tesla s really outdone themselves with the 3. * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L13.PDF For comparison here s the data Tesla s submitted for their other models this year. * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L1S.PDF * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L2SV2.PDF * https: www3.epa.gov otaq datafiles CSI-HTSLV00.0L2XV3.PDF I m especially impressed that the 3 LR went farther (city) as far (highway) as the S 100D did on the testing. I m not sure if this will pan out in the EPA estimates since this is just the data for the first however many 3s but it s still awesome! | Wow **huge** news here: 1. As u legomanww mentioned Model 3 uses **permanent magnet motors** the same as the Bolt not induction motors like the Model S X. 2. The Model 3 pack 2170 cells have a **lower** specific energy than the S X packs 18650s: 150Wh kg vs 170Wh kg. 3. Regenerative braking affects **both** axles in RWD Model 3 (versus just the rear in RWD S). 4. Model 3 LR has **258HP** (compared to 376HP in the Model S 75). 5. Model 3 LR end-of-charge is **78.3kWh** (Tesla s number given to the EPA in the comments actually). | 258hp? must be a hell of a lot of torque even by EV standards. | 138 | 12 | 1,453 |
6s6bxk | 28 | Can we talk FSD upgrade for a minute? Like many of you I m starting to see level 5 FSD in current Tesla s as more of a sci-fi fantasy that might never actually happen. DESPITE that I m still likely to put down $3k for the upgrade. I m surprised conventional wisdom around here seems to be the wait and see route. Based on Elon s tweets the date has already passed for incremental FSD features being added that are not included with Enhanced Autopilot. I don t know about you but the day I hear about some cool new Level 3 feature that I don t have I will be seriously salty. I m guessing stop lights and signs will be the first upgrade added to FSD not included in EA. So those of you opting not to get FSD are you ok missing out on some of the features or would that cause you to put down $4k the next day? | **Here s my theory of how it s going down based on what we ve seen *and not seen* from Tesla.** After all how come we ve seen FSD demos but no evidence that such a feat is repeatable? Why is the timeline so screwed up? They planned to have the MobilEye technology running parallel to the TeslaVision technology. They probably even thought they could run them cooperatively or at least concurrently so that they could gather data from both systems at the same time for comparison. It would be easy to see when MobilEye s system said brakes and use that as calibration for TeslaVision. As TeslaVision improved they could rely on it more and more then one day do a full cut-over and the owners would never know. *This expectation could be confirmed if someone were to take apart the camera module in a very early AP2 car. Is there still a MobileEye chip in there? I bet there is...* Then the big MobilEye breakup happened. MobilEye did not want their stuff being used to train someone else s and put a stop to it. Tesla was using enough MobilEye software that MobilEye could and did take their ball and go home. Remember those big self-driving demo videos we saw that looked so great? I think that was basically a systems test using a great deal of nVidia code coupled with some very specific scripting just to see if the system could *ever* do it. Tesla having been burned by MobilEye wanted all the software to be theirs so *while they demoed the nVidia software they did not plan to actually use it in production cars.* They re building their own now that they proved the hardware is technically capable of doing the job. That s why you saw an FSD video or two then nothing at all and no leaps-and-bounds improvement in EAP FSD. With the MobilEye exit TeslaVision had to go from a piggy-backing second-stringer to franchise player overnight. The training data gathering they could have gotten from running the systems in parallel was gone and they d already aggressively moved away from the nVidia codebase because they thought they could use the MobilEye as the safety net. They were left with no working autopilot solution and a whole bunch of customers who paid for autopilot. Meanwhile autopilot hardware is adding complexity and cost to the cars. Tesla immediately moved maximum resources into TeslaVision. They had cameras they had processing power but they had never actually done the basic optical recognition and car control software from scratch. Any experienced software developer can tell you that if you understand the basics it s often easier to modify code that mostly works than to start from a blank screen and try to write it. So now they re writing the image code from ground zero. Some corners are being cut. They re doing more with radar than before. They aren t reading speed limit signs they re just downloading that data from the Internet. But it s working. Enhanced Autopilot is almost as good as regular Autopilot despite the naming. Remember Mobileye has been around since 1999 and the EyeQ series of chips came out in 2004. They had a ton of institutional knowledge about computer and traffic vision in use with BMW Volvo etc. Tesla had to replicate the expertise that MobilEye had developed over the course of more than a decade in a few short months. At this stage Tesla has mostly reinvented the wheel. Camera-based rain sensing wipers seem to have eluded them but the overall driving and sensor harmony is improving. Next up will be learning to recognize things from more angles so they can activate more cameras. Once all the cameras can see and actually recognize things in a meaningful way then you ll start seeing things like automatic lane changes exit ramps etc. This is why the whole timeline got pushed back. Way back. The clean sheet design appears to be coming along at a rapid pace but I would not put a specific drop-dead date on FSD features. I wouldn t expect any divergence until Q1 2018 at the earliest. There s just too much ground work to lay that they can t get from MobilEye or nVidia. **If you bought EAP** understand that circumstances somewhat beyond Tesla s control have caused delays. They are making them up very quickly. EAP as it stands today is very functional on the highway and many surface streets if you give it the appropriate amount of supervision. Evidence suggests that Tesla is putting in maximum engineering effort to improve EAP as quickly as possible and if that s true complaining won t make them work faster. **If you bought FSD** understand that you have pre-ordered some software that you will receive when it s ready. You prepaid to be at the front of the line and so you ll get a discount. This is fairly common in software especially video games but this is probably the first time it s been done with a car. As with EAP maximum effort is already being put into the product so there s not much more anyone can do to make it arrive sooner. | > Based on Elon s tweets the date has already passed for incremental FSD features being added that are not included with Enhanced Autopilot. could you point me to some tweets indicating that? I wasn t aware he said that. | 43 | 2 | 1,454 |
6s6bxk | 28 | Can we talk FSD upgrade for a minute? Like many of you I m starting to see level 5 FSD in current Tesla s as more of a sci-fi fantasy that might never actually happen. DESPITE that I m still likely to put down $3k for the upgrade. I m surprised conventional wisdom around here seems to be the wait and see route. Based on Elon s tweets the date has already passed for incremental FSD features being added that are not included with Enhanced Autopilot. I don t know about you but the day I hear about some cool new Level 3 feature that I don t have I will be seriously salty. I m guessing stop lights and signs will be the first upgrade added to FSD not included in EA. So those of you opting not to get FSD are you ok missing out on some of the features or would that cause you to put down $4k the next day? | **Here s my theory of how it s going down based on what we ve seen *and not seen* from Tesla.** After all how come we ve seen FSD demos but no evidence that such a feat is repeatable? Why is the timeline so screwed up? They planned to have the MobilEye technology running parallel to the TeslaVision technology. They probably even thought they could run them cooperatively or at least concurrently so that they could gather data from both systems at the same time for comparison. It would be easy to see when MobilEye s system said brakes and use that as calibration for TeslaVision. As TeslaVision improved they could rely on it more and more then one day do a full cut-over and the owners would never know. *This expectation could be confirmed if someone were to take apart the camera module in a very early AP2 car. Is there still a MobileEye chip in there? I bet there is...* Then the big MobilEye breakup happened. MobilEye did not want their stuff being used to train someone else s and put a stop to it. Tesla was using enough MobilEye software that MobilEye could and did take their ball and go home. Remember those big self-driving demo videos we saw that looked so great? I think that was basically a systems test using a great deal of nVidia code coupled with some very specific scripting just to see if the system could *ever* do it. Tesla having been burned by MobilEye wanted all the software to be theirs so *while they demoed the nVidia software they did not plan to actually use it in production cars.* They re building their own now that they proved the hardware is technically capable of doing the job. That s why you saw an FSD video or two then nothing at all and no leaps-and-bounds improvement in EAP FSD. With the MobilEye exit TeslaVision had to go from a piggy-backing second-stringer to franchise player overnight. The training data gathering they could have gotten from running the systems in parallel was gone and they d already aggressively moved away from the nVidia codebase because they thought they could use the MobilEye as the safety net. They were left with no working autopilot solution and a whole bunch of customers who paid for autopilot. Meanwhile autopilot hardware is adding complexity and cost to the cars. Tesla immediately moved maximum resources into TeslaVision. They had cameras they had processing power but they had never actually done the basic optical recognition and car control software from scratch. Any experienced software developer can tell you that if you understand the basics it s often easier to modify code that mostly works than to start from a blank screen and try to write it. So now they re writing the image code from ground zero. Some corners are being cut. They re doing more with radar than before. They aren t reading speed limit signs they re just downloading that data from the Internet. But it s working. Enhanced Autopilot is almost as good as regular Autopilot despite the naming. Remember Mobileye has been around since 1999 and the EyeQ series of chips came out in 2004. They had a ton of institutional knowledge about computer and traffic vision in use with BMW Volvo etc. Tesla had to replicate the expertise that MobilEye had developed over the course of more than a decade in a few short months. At this stage Tesla has mostly reinvented the wheel. Camera-based rain sensing wipers seem to have eluded them but the overall driving and sensor harmony is improving. Next up will be learning to recognize things from more angles so they can activate more cameras. Once all the cameras can see and actually recognize things in a meaningful way then you ll start seeing things like automatic lane changes exit ramps etc. This is why the whole timeline got pushed back. Way back. The clean sheet design appears to be coming along at a rapid pace but I would not put a specific drop-dead date on FSD features. I wouldn t expect any divergence until Q1 2018 at the earliest. There s just too much ground work to lay that they can t get from MobilEye or nVidia. **If you bought EAP** understand that circumstances somewhat beyond Tesla s control have caused delays. They are making them up very quickly. EAP as it stands today is very functional on the highway and many surface streets if you give it the appropriate amount of supervision. Evidence suggests that Tesla is putting in maximum engineering effort to improve EAP as quickly as possible and if that s true complaining won t make them work faster. **If you bought FSD** understand that you have pre-ordered some software that you will receive when it s ready. You prepaid to be at the front of the line and so you ll get a discount. This is fairly common in software especially video games but this is probably the first time it s been done with a car. As with EAP maximum effort is already being put into the product so there s not much more anyone can do to make it arrive sooner. | 1) No need to make that decision right now. If FSD gets some functionality like red lights stop signs within the next 3 months it will be before most of us have to order. 2) If there is only red lights stop signs is that worth $3k to you because there is little evidence or rumor that anything more is coming in the near future. 3) Full Self Driving had a great concept video way back when and zero updates about it since. It is quite possible that wasn t even a branch of the AP2 software currently being used and that they had to start over on FSD after that video. With zero information on progress being made it s hard to put down money on a product that is only an idea. | 43 | 14 | 1,455 |
6s6bxk | 28 | Can we talk FSD upgrade for a minute? Like many of you I m starting to see level 5 FSD in current Tesla s as more of a sci-fi fantasy that might never actually happen. DESPITE that I m still likely to put down $3k for the upgrade. I m surprised conventional wisdom around here seems to be the wait and see route. Based on Elon s tweets the date has already passed for incremental FSD features being added that are not included with Enhanced Autopilot. I don t know about you but the day I hear about some cool new Level 3 feature that I don t have I will be seriously salty. I m guessing stop lights and signs will be the first upgrade added to FSD not included in EA. So those of you opting not to get FSD are you ok missing out on some of the features or would that cause you to put down $4k the next day? | I m in the WaitAndSee Tribe but there s nothing inherent about that that makes it so it has to be 100% FSD or not worth a penny. The day it becomes worth $4000 is the day I ll get it. That includes the possibility that it s already worth $3000 when I config. I m just not going to give them $3000 for potential vaporware out of some goofy notion of fronting a billion dollar for-profit company thousands of dollars for development . | > Based on Elon s tweets the date has already passed for incremental FSD features being added that are not included with Enhanced Autopilot. could you point me to some tweets indicating that? I wasn t aware he said that. | 30 | 2 | 1,456 |
6sc4u6 | 99 | I ve given it nearly a year to get used to it And I *still* hate the disappearing menu buttons... Won t Tesla PLEASE give us the ability to pin the menu bar open?! I can t be alone. Perhaps it will come in December 2016 with the rest of the 8.1 features like being able to set the never fall below temperature setting? | Certainly we can agree there should be an on off option? That way everyone can have their preference. | Let the downvotes begin. =p | 43 | 5 | 1,457 |
6sfi2x | 138 | Save us Elon! Was watching through some past Tesla keynotes and noticed what sounds like the same one guy yelling SAVE US ELON! at every one: Tesla Energy: https: youtu.be NvCIhn7_FXI?t=1m15s Solar Roof: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=4sfwDyiPTdU& t=2m40s Model 3 Handover: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=vzT0uNT0ds8& t=7m46s Just thought I d share. | To pay homage to this fellow s meme I hereby declare all Tesla achievements to be commemorated with chants of What a save! What a save! What a save! | He will never be Roy Philipose. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=si03x9apLFU | 66 | 7 | 1,458 |
6sfi2x | 138 | Save us Elon! Was watching through some past Tesla keynotes and noticed what sounds like the same one guy yelling SAVE US ELON! at every one: Tesla Energy: https: youtu.be NvCIhn7_FXI?t=1m15s Solar Roof: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=4sfwDyiPTdU& t=2m40s Model 3 Handover: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=vzT0uNT0ds8& t=7m46s Just thought I d share. | It seems like Elon plays along by chuckling and making clever remarks every time. He must know the identity of the yeller and yet the yeller still gets invited to every event. I m thinking it s an inside joke between Elon and someone he is close to. | He will never be Roy Philipose. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=si03x9apLFU | 46 | 7 | 1,459 |
6sfi2x | 138 | Save us Elon! Was watching through some past Tesla keynotes and noticed what sounds like the same one guy yelling SAVE US ELON! at every one: Tesla Energy: https: youtu.be NvCIhn7_FXI?t=1m15s Solar Roof: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=4sfwDyiPTdU& t=2m40s Model 3 Handover: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=vzT0uNT0ds8& t=7m46s Just thought I d share. | It seems like Elon plays along by chuckling and making clever remarks every time. He must know the identity of the yeller and yet the yeller still gets invited to every event. I m thinking it s an inside joke between Elon and someone he is close to. | To be honest i am not a fan of attention seekers like this dude. | 46 | 15 | 1,460 |
6sgrpq | 48 | Tesla S South Carolina Delivery Experience I also posted this on TMC thought it might be useful for anyone in SC since we don t have a dealership and there are some nuances that are different from a traditional car purchase. I received delivery of my 2017 S75 RWD late last week and wanted to share my experience for anyone in South Carolina that may be looking at purchasing a Tesla. Despite having some large metropolitan areas South Carolina does not have a Tesla dealer (gallery or service center). I m not sure why this is but it may be due in part that BMW has a huge manufacturing presence here or it may be about the direct sales model....there are far more educated people on that topic and that isn t the purpose of my post. I am only speculating. I spent the majority of my adult life begging my wife to let me get the Model S and eventually I won out. She pressed the button to confirm the deposit online and told me that in her mind she was buying my silence. By that she meant that now that we are actually getting one I can no longer give her a Tesla fact every chance I get nor can I inception her by making her watch youtube videos about how awesome they are right before we fall asleep each night. Anyways I have been a Model 3 reservation for over a year but I kept coming back to the Model S. In my own personal opinion I like the fact that the S has been around for several years and assumed they have worked a lot of the kinks out. I personally believe Tesla will change the world with the Model 3 but there s something to be said for the look and the size of the S as well as its long production history. I initially went with a custom build S 75 red with no PUP black leather and the subzero package. I place the deposit in late June and the delivery date was late July. I was good with this because I know they re trying to focus on the model 3 and what s another month when you ve been dying to have one for years? I worked with Blake Wadsworth out of the Atlanta (Lenox) location. Having bought a few cars in my life I was expecting the typical sales pitch but I was completely floored by how low pressure the sales experience was. He felt like an old friend from college that was just showing me something awesome not trying to persuade me to buy it. In his own words he said they sell themselves and I believe that. Long story short Blake went the extra mile and actually found me an inventory car that was exactly what I wanted and it had a slight price adjustment and only 400 miles. They sent me pictures of it and I switched over to the inventory car. The purchase experience was very interesting because I never physically signed anything. In South Carolina you apparently can do everything online so it was a few mouse clicks movement of some money and we were off to the races. The other big difference is in SC they have to deliver it straight to your house. Let me tell you that was amazing because a gigantic car hauler full of Teslas rolled down my block and definitely startled some of the neighbors. If you are buying in SC be prepared for this. It was a very easy experience but you wouldn t be picking it up in a service center like if you lived in GA or another state that had a dealership. Honestly this ended up being better because I didn t have to make a round trip to get the car. They are happy to do an orientation at a service center after you get the car but the delivery must be to the door. Everyone I ve ever encountered at Tesla has been 100% enthusiastic about their job but my experience was absolutely notch with the Atlanta Lenox location. I live in Greenville and the Charlotte location is a bit closer but they apparently can t sell the cars out of there either probably for some similar reasons to why SC is pushing back. In any case I am beyond satisfied with my experience and would encourage anyone who is in SC and is on the fence about a lack of dealership to hit me up if they have questions. What I can say about finally buying this is that spending years reading forums watching videos reading articles etc. does not prepare you for how awesome it is to actually have one and own it. Good luck to anyone who may be considering this car - it is hands down worth it. | Hey honey I think I m going to buy a Model S... OK? < Silence> Oh right I m single I don t have to answer to anyone. < Drives off in Model S> | In NC wish that was the case here. Will not be happy if I have to drive to Raleigh from Asheville area just to pickup my Car. | 35 | 2 | 1,461 |
6sgrpq | 48 | Tesla S South Carolina Delivery Experience I also posted this on TMC thought it might be useful for anyone in SC since we don t have a dealership and there are some nuances that are different from a traditional car purchase. I received delivery of my 2017 S75 RWD late last week and wanted to share my experience for anyone in South Carolina that may be looking at purchasing a Tesla. Despite having some large metropolitan areas South Carolina does not have a Tesla dealer (gallery or service center). I m not sure why this is but it may be due in part that BMW has a huge manufacturing presence here or it may be about the direct sales model....there are far more educated people on that topic and that isn t the purpose of my post. I am only speculating. I spent the majority of my adult life begging my wife to let me get the Model S and eventually I won out. She pressed the button to confirm the deposit online and told me that in her mind she was buying my silence. By that she meant that now that we are actually getting one I can no longer give her a Tesla fact every chance I get nor can I inception her by making her watch youtube videos about how awesome they are right before we fall asleep each night. Anyways I have been a Model 3 reservation for over a year but I kept coming back to the Model S. In my own personal opinion I like the fact that the S has been around for several years and assumed they have worked a lot of the kinks out. I personally believe Tesla will change the world with the Model 3 but there s something to be said for the look and the size of the S as well as its long production history. I initially went with a custom build S 75 red with no PUP black leather and the subzero package. I place the deposit in late June and the delivery date was late July. I was good with this because I know they re trying to focus on the model 3 and what s another month when you ve been dying to have one for years? I worked with Blake Wadsworth out of the Atlanta (Lenox) location. Having bought a few cars in my life I was expecting the typical sales pitch but I was completely floored by how low pressure the sales experience was. He felt like an old friend from college that was just showing me something awesome not trying to persuade me to buy it. In his own words he said they sell themselves and I believe that. Long story short Blake went the extra mile and actually found me an inventory car that was exactly what I wanted and it had a slight price adjustment and only 400 miles. They sent me pictures of it and I switched over to the inventory car. The purchase experience was very interesting because I never physically signed anything. In South Carolina you apparently can do everything online so it was a few mouse clicks movement of some money and we were off to the races. The other big difference is in SC they have to deliver it straight to your house. Let me tell you that was amazing because a gigantic car hauler full of Teslas rolled down my block and definitely startled some of the neighbors. If you are buying in SC be prepared for this. It was a very easy experience but you wouldn t be picking it up in a service center like if you lived in GA or another state that had a dealership. Honestly this ended up being better because I didn t have to make a round trip to get the car. They are happy to do an orientation at a service center after you get the car but the delivery must be to the door. Everyone I ve ever encountered at Tesla has been 100% enthusiastic about their job but my experience was absolutely notch with the Atlanta Lenox location. I live in Greenville and the Charlotte location is a bit closer but they apparently can t sell the cars out of there either probably for some similar reasons to why SC is pushing back. In any case I am beyond satisfied with my experience and would encourage anyone who is in SC and is on the fence about a lack of dealership to hit me up if they have questions. What I can say about finally buying this is that spending years reading forums watching videos reading articles etc. does not prepare you for how awesome it is to actually have one and own it. Good luck to anyone who may be considering this car - it is hands down worth it. | Hey honey I think I m going to buy a Model S... OK? < Silence> Oh right I m single I don t have to answer to anyone. < Drives off in Model S> | I think I could suffer the indignity of having a new Tesla delivered to my house! s | 35 | 2 | 1,462 |
6sgrpq | 48 | Tesla S South Carolina Delivery Experience I also posted this on TMC thought it might be useful for anyone in SC since we don t have a dealership and there are some nuances that are different from a traditional car purchase. I received delivery of my 2017 S75 RWD late last week and wanted to share my experience for anyone in South Carolina that may be looking at purchasing a Tesla. Despite having some large metropolitan areas South Carolina does not have a Tesla dealer (gallery or service center). I m not sure why this is but it may be due in part that BMW has a huge manufacturing presence here or it may be about the direct sales model....there are far more educated people on that topic and that isn t the purpose of my post. I am only speculating. I spent the majority of my adult life begging my wife to let me get the Model S and eventually I won out. She pressed the button to confirm the deposit online and told me that in her mind she was buying my silence. By that she meant that now that we are actually getting one I can no longer give her a Tesla fact every chance I get nor can I inception her by making her watch youtube videos about how awesome they are right before we fall asleep each night. Anyways I have been a Model 3 reservation for over a year but I kept coming back to the Model S. In my own personal opinion I like the fact that the S has been around for several years and assumed they have worked a lot of the kinks out. I personally believe Tesla will change the world with the Model 3 but there s something to be said for the look and the size of the S as well as its long production history. I initially went with a custom build S 75 red with no PUP black leather and the subzero package. I place the deposit in late June and the delivery date was late July. I was good with this because I know they re trying to focus on the model 3 and what s another month when you ve been dying to have one for years? I worked with Blake Wadsworth out of the Atlanta (Lenox) location. Having bought a few cars in my life I was expecting the typical sales pitch but I was completely floored by how low pressure the sales experience was. He felt like an old friend from college that was just showing me something awesome not trying to persuade me to buy it. In his own words he said they sell themselves and I believe that. Long story short Blake went the extra mile and actually found me an inventory car that was exactly what I wanted and it had a slight price adjustment and only 400 miles. They sent me pictures of it and I switched over to the inventory car. The purchase experience was very interesting because I never physically signed anything. In South Carolina you apparently can do everything online so it was a few mouse clicks movement of some money and we were off to the races. The other big difference is in SC they have to deliver it straight to your house. Let me tell you that was amazing because a gigantic car hauler full of Teslas rolled down my block and definitely startled some of the neighbors. If you are buying in SC be prepared for this. It was a very easy experience but you wouldn t be picking it up in a service center like if you lived in GA or another state that had a dealership. Honestly this ended up being better because I didn t have to make a round trip to get the car. They are happy to do an orientation at a service center after you get the car but the delivery must be to the door. Everyone I ve ever encountered at Tesla has been 100% enthusiastic about their job but my experience was absolutely notch with the Atlanta Lenox location. I live in Greenville and the Charlotte location is a bit closer but they apparently can t sell the cars out of there either probably for some similar reasons to why SC is pushing back. In any case I am beyond satisfied with my experience and would encourage anyone who is in SC and is on the fence about a lack of dealership to hit me up if they have questions. What I can say about finally buying this is that spending years reading forums watching videos reading articles etc. does not prepare you for how awesome it is to actually have one and own it. Good luck to anyone who may be considering this car - it is hands down worth it. | Hey honey I think I m going to buy a Model S... OK? < Silence> Oh right I m single I don t have to answer to anyone. < Drives off in Model S> | > The other big difference is in SC they have to deliver it straight to your house. Let me tell you that was amazing because a gigantic car hauler full of Teslas rolled down my block and definitely startled some of the neighbors. :D | 35 | 9 | 1,463 |
6slrcr | 28 | Massive data upload to Tesla Any idea why my new model s would upload 200 mb in just one day 3 weeks after purchase? http: imgur.com a rHCju | Browser history. You re screwed. | Video footage. | 46 | 9 | 1,464 |
6st062 | 59 | How good is the Model 3 suspension? The suspension of the Model 3 is listed as: - Double wishbone virtual steer axis front suspension with coil over twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar - Independent multi-link rear suspension with twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar I don t know all the different suspension options. From what I ve [read](https: www.carsguide.com.au car-advice what-are-the-different-types-of-rear-suspension-37837) it seems like they didn t cut costs here and went with good stuff. How does everyone here feel about this? | Motor Trend [really liked](http: www.motortrend.com cars tesla model-3 2018 exclusive-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review ) the way the car handled which has to speak something to the quality of the suspension I would think. > And then the foot goes down. How does it drive? The gush of torque clearly indicates DNA shared with the Model S. Yet it s a new motor specific to the 3 Franz is coy about its horsepower but Tesla s claim of 0-60 in 5.1 seconds seems right...**What s blanching though is the car s ride and handling**. If anybody was expecting a typical boring electric sedan here nope. The ride is Alfa Giulia (maybe even Quadrifoglio)–firm and quickly I m carving Stunt Road like a Sochi Olympics giant slalomer micrometering my swipes at the apexes. I glance at Franz—this OK? “Go for it ” he nods. **The Model 3 is so unexpected scalpel-like I m sputtering for adjectives. The steering ratio is quick the effort is light** (for me) but there s enough light tremble against your fingers to hear the cornering negotiations between Stunt Road and these 235 40R19 tires (Continental ProContact RX m+s s). And to mention body roll is to have already said too much about it. Sure that battery is low way down under the floor. But unlike the aluminum Model S the Tesla Model 3 is composed of steel too and this car s glass ceiling can t be helping the center of gravity s height. **Nearly-nil body roll? Magic I m telling you. Magic.** And this is the single-motor rear-wheel-drive starting point. The already boggled mind boggles further at the mention of Dual Motor and Ludicrous. | It s good stuff. | 43 | 9 | 1,465 |
6st062 | 59 | How good is the Model 3 suspension? The suspension of the Model 3 is listed as: - Double wishbone virtual steer axis front suspension with coil over twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar - Independent multi-link rear suspension with twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar I don t know all the different suspension options. From what I ve [read](https: www.carsguide.com.au car-advice what-are-the-different-types-of-rear-suspension-37837) it seems like they didn t cut costs here and went with good stuff. How does everyone here feel about this? | Motor Trend [really liked](http: www.motortrend.com cars tesla model-3 2018 exclusive-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review ) the way the car handled which has to speak something to the quality of the suspension I would think. > And then the foot goes down. How does it drive? The gush of torque clearly indicates DNA shared with the Model S. Yet it s a new motor specific to the 3 Franz is coy about its horsepower but Tesla s claim of 0-60 in 5.1 seconds seems right...**What s blanching though is the car s ride and handling**. If anybody was expecting a typical boring electric sedan here nope. The ride is Alfa Giulia (maybe even Quadrifoglio)–firm and quickly I m carving Stunt Road like a Sochi Olympics giant slalomer micrometering my swipes at the apexes. I glance at Franz—this OK? “Go for it ” he nods. **The Model 3 is so unexpected scalpel-like I m sputtering for adjectives. The steering ratio is quick the effort is light** (for me) but there s enough light tremble against your fingers to hear the cornering negotiations between Stunt Road and these 235 40R19 tires (Continental ProContact RX m+s s). And to mention body roll is to have already said too much about it. Sure that battery is low way down under the floor. But unlike the aluminum Model S the Tesla Model 3 is composed of steel too and this car s glass ceiling can t be helping the center of gravity s height. **Nearly-nil body roll? Magic I m telling you. Magic.** And this is the single-motor rear-wheel-drive starting point. The already boggled mind boggles further at the mention of Dual Motor and Ludicrous. | Just realized that posting that link means the image for this post is a VW... Oh well. | 43 | 9 | 1,466 |
6st062 | 59 | How good is the Model 3 suspension? The suspension of the Model 3 is listed as: - Double wishbone virtual steer axis front suspension with coil over twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar - Independent multi-link rear suspension with twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar I don t know all the different suspension options. From what I ve [read](https: www.carsguide.com.au car-advice what-are-the-different-types-of-rear-suspension-37837) it seems like they didn t cut costs here and went with good stuff. How does everyone here feel about this? | Motor Trend [really liked](http: www.motortrend.com cars tesla model-3 2018 exclusive-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review ) the way the car handled which has to speak something to the quality of the suspension I would think. > And then the foot goes down. How does it drive? The gush of torque clearly indicates DNA shared with the Model S. Yet it s a new motor specific to the 3 Franz is coy about its horsepower but Tesla s claim of 0-60 in 5.1 seconds seems right...**What s blanching though is the car s ride and handling**. If anybody was expecting a typical boring electric sedan here nope. The ride is Alfa Giulia (maybe even Quadrifoglio)–firm and quickly I m carving Stunt Road like a Sochi Olympics giant slalomer micrometering my swipes at the apexes. I glance at Franz—this OK? “Go for it ” he nods. **The Model 3 is so unexpected scalpel-like I m sputtering for adjectives. The steering ratio is quick the effort is light** (for me) but there s enough light tremble against your fingers to hear the cornering negotiations between Stunt Road and these 235 40R19 tires (Continental ProContact RX m+s s). And to mention body roll is to have already said too much about it. Sure that battery is low way down under the floor. But unlike the aluminum Model S the Tesla Model 3 is composed of steel too and this car s glass ceiling can t be helping the center of gravity s height. **Nearly-nil body roll? Magic I m telling you. Magic.** And this is the single-motor rear-wheel-drive starting point. The already boggled mind boggles further at the mention of Dual Motor and Ludicrous. | I remember when the Honda Civic lost it s double wishbone suspension for the cheaper strut setup. Glad Tesla went the better route. | 43 | 16 | 1,467 |
6swl45 | 61 | Tesla called me regarding my Model 3 Reservation Tesla called me regarding my model 3 reservation and gave some disconcerting info... The representative I spoke to saw that I was a reservation holder and tried to sell me a Model S 75 D for around the same price as the model 3 would cost and give me a salesman pitch of how it s pretty much the same as Model 3 . The rep was reading me prices from the website and tried to word it as an exclusive price offer. I was shocked that Tesla operatives their business this way. Tesla agents calling reservation holders to try and convince them to buy an older vehicle. This questions my faith in the company. Has anyone else received calls like this? Is Tesla in over their head? Should I take the Model S 75 D and negotiate a better price? Edit: typos | Not interested thanks *click* Not that hard | They ve been doing this off and on since they started taking reservations in 2016 based on reports from others. | 97 | 3 | 1,468 |
6swl45 | 61 | Tesla called me regarding my Model 3 Reservation Tesla called me regarding my model 3 reservation and gave some disconcerting info... The representative I spoke to saw that I was a reservation holder and tried to sell me a Model S 75 D for around the same price as the model 3 would cost and give me a salesman pitch of how it s pretty much the same as Model 3 . The rep was reading me prices from the website and tried to word it as an exclusive price offer. I was shocked that Tesla operatives their business this way. Tesla agents calling reservation holders to try and convince them to buy an older vehicle. This questions my faith in the company. Has anyone else received calls like this? Is Tesla in over their head? Should I take the Model S 75 D and negotiate a better price? Edit: typos | Not interested thanks *click* Not that hard | Tesla is trying to make money?!? How dare they! Rabble rabble rabble!!! | 97 | 3 | 1,469 |
6swl45 | 61 | Tesla called me regarding my Model 3 Reservation Tesla called me regarding my model 3 reservation and gave some disconcerting info... The representative I spoke to saw that I was a reservation holder and tried to sell me a Model S 75 D for around the same price as the model 3 would cost and give me a salesman pitch of how it s pretty much the same as Model 3 . The rep was reading me prices from the website and tried to word it as an exclusive price offer. I was shocked that Tesla operatives their business this way. Tesla agents calling reservation holders to try and convince them to buy an older vehicle. This questions my faith in the company. Has anyone else received calls like this? Is Tesla in over their head? Should I take the Model S 75 D and negotiate a better price? Edit: typos | Not interested thanks *click* Not that hard | A model S with AP2 is going to be light years better than a model 3. But that guy just sounds like a standard sleazy salesman. Disappointed that tesla allows that. If the price is a big issue just stay with your 3 reso. A model S will be a little more expensive cost of ownership. | 97 | 3 | 1,470 |
6sy4jo | 194 | Showerthought: out of all the subreddits I m subbed to this one has the highest concentration of people I m jealous of. Perhaps someday I ll be able to afford my favorite car. 😭 EDIT: for those asking about age I m 27 and working hard! Just can t quite ignore the itch I get every time I see a new owner on here. | You won t get your dream car if you re young (early 20s) that s the time to work hard and pay off debts. Get an education in a field that pays well (STEM health business). After that invest in a home and then look for a dream car. Set your future up before getting some high tech toys. | How old are you? Find something you enjoy and work really hard and you ll get there!! | 52 | 8 | 1,471 |
6sydqs | 34 | A Better US EV Tax Credit The way the EV tax credit is structured the ultimate result is that it s going to cause significant short term pain to the companies that cared to push the technology forward. As it is now Tesla will eventually be selling $35k Model 3s up against EV models at the same price less the tax credit from Big Auto competitors. It s going to be hard for buyers to justify the Tesla when the alternative is $7 500 cheaper. Nothing like saying hey thanks for leading the industry forward but now we re going to put you at a severe disadvantage for 2 years. They US should have done a hybrid system where each manufacturer gets 50 000 credits tied to their cars and then there is a floating pool of 5-10m full credits that apply to any car from any manufacturer once the manufacturer specific-credits are used up. That way there s an incentive for other automakers to hurry forward EV development and production before Tesla Nissan and GM buyers use up all the pool credits. | I prefer the Chinese system. Car dealers get fined for failing to sell a rising percentage of EVs. | I agree it s unfair but some will buy the Tesla anyways. I know I would. But maybe Joe average will opt for an ugly competitors cars with no nationwide supercharge network if he can t get a EV tax credit on a Tesla. | 40 | 3 | 1,472 |
6t4rih | 37 | Why Tesla might also introduce battery motor powered trailers along with the Semi After hearing about Tesla s plan to [platoon the Semi between California and Nevada](https: electrek.co 2017 08 09 tesla-semi-electric-truck-prototypes-for-platooning-self-driving-nevada-california ) I ve been rethinking about what their plans might be. I initially thought that they would make the long haul semi by putting a ~1MWh battery in the tractor but after thinking about it more I think there might be a better way that they could create both a short and long haul semi: battery motor powered trailers in addition to the battery motor powered tractor. Here are some of the reasons the trailers might have batteries and motors: * Modular system for platooning each additional trailer would be self contained so you could theoretically make an infinitely long platoon of trailers. * A smaller battery in the tractor will make it more affordable and weight practical for shorter distance hauling * It would still be viable over shorter distances when used with trailers that don t have batteries motors. * It s a move towards a truly driverless future where the traditional tractor is not necessary. In the shorter term while there are still humans leading the platoon they wouldn t need to repeat the cab for each trailer in the platoon of any given length. * Trailers are basically skateboards already just like the battery drivetrain of Tesla vehicles. Just you know bigger. * The skateboard design makes it relatively simple to change the opportunity space above into any type of system that could use the power stored in the battery. Things like refrigerator trailers could be powered for a while also relief triage trailers in disaster situations cargo monitoring systems and a bunch of things most of us probably haven t considered yet. * Would allow for much more energy efficient trailer design to extend the range. * These trailers could be used with any OEM s tractor (potentially but not a given) if they were designed to use the same trailer system. Would make even diesel tractors more efficient at hauling. * Motor control at each trailer axel or hub would give much better power and control in all conditions * Platoons of tractor trailers would need motors on the trailers or multiple tractors would needed which seems less efficient. * Self contained trailers would theoretically be able to split off of the platoon at any time along the trip to deliver the trailer. Likewise a trailer would be able to join onto a platoon at any point along the platoon s trip. * A tractor that doesn t need to carry the entire battery might be able to meet or even undercut traditional tractor trailers on cost which would make them immediately viable for shorter distance hauling even without a battery motor propelled trailer. * Motors on the trailer would allow for regenerative braking to come from the trailer as well. Rebuttal to this idea: * there are tons of trailers already out there why recreate them? Thats true and this design would still work with all of those trailers but just not over the same long haul distances that trailers with batteries would allow. * ??? others? So will the trailers have batteries and or motors? Honestly I have no idea but I can see at least some justification for having both. What do you guys think? **Edit:** Added the bit about being able to get regenerative braking from the tailer | putting batteries in the trailer would kill this idea on the spot. no trucking company would invest in such a scheme be ause it would cripple their operations and make the entire thing useless. trailers and tractors aren t even owned by the same people half the time. trailers are almost indispensable. | Would this also help with distributing the down time of charging? While the trailer is at the depot being unloaded and loaded (plus any down time) it could be charging. Having the tractor handle all the power charging needs could make it less efficient. My assumption is the target is 24 7 operations since the tractor (not the driver) is managing all the driving. This may be a slightly different subset of your idea e.g. dumb trailer+battery v. trailer+drivetrain+autonomy. Seems easier to retro fit a battery sling underneath today s existing trailer fleet than add drivetrain+autonomy. I hope it s something unexpected! Maybe Elon will ignore current fleet inventory and just let first principles be his guide. | 34 | 5 | 1,473 |
6td04c | 240 | Buying A Model 3 If You re 25 Or: Stop Worrying and Get The Base Model. There have been more posts around the sub that are along the lines of I m in my 20 s and this is an aspirational purchase for me should I break the bank and get the premium package and or the LR battery? Well I m a res holder in my mid 20s. I ve spent some time breaking down the time benefits and quality-of-life benefits of the options. If you re stretching your budget to buy this car maybe I can help. This thread isn t about whether you should buy a Model 3 I assume you ve made up your mind already and it s not really about diving into delivery windows or possible tax credits. **Range:** Tesla claims the small battery gets 220 miles of range and the big battery is 310. Let s assume you ll get 90% of this after some degradation so about 200 miles and 280 miles. That s 80-ish more miles for $9000. The argument in my own head was “yeah 200 miles is fine for my commute and going 40 minutes to IKEA but what about that romantic electric road trip I want to make?” I live in the Seattle area so looking at what kind of road trips I would do that are over 100 miles. Regardless of battery sizes on road trips it is usually most efficient to charge at each supercharger you encounter to take advantage of the fast charge from 10% to ~70%. Distance between superchargers is usually between 80 miles and 160 miles. When I was mapping out trips I noticed the time savings were only about 12% for the longer ones so I decided to make a chart of all the cities and places I might want to road trip to mapped on abetterrouteplanner and then a few extra to fill out the data. [Check Out The Chart Here](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1JxhLRVejjRtJPdZxlOocf-KLOEq_f0oLe5mDXsVqQT8 edit?usp=sharing) It illustrates how time savings as % of total trip length is zilch on the 144 mile drive to Vancouver it jumps to 5% on the no-charge drive to Portland because abetterrouteplanner recommends slower speed for the 173 mile drive and then jumps to between 10 and 12 percent for any length of journey that has 2 charges or more. SF and LA are less efficient driving SR because the Supercharger network between Seattle and California has some holes but I expect those to be filled in the next 12 months bringing efficiency back in line with the curve. I was shocked at how drastic the returns diminish by adding 70% more battery. If you re like me you will find that paying $9000 results in only a minor ~12% bump in total time savings for long trips and doesn t let you skip enough chargers to justify the cost. My conclusion: sleep easy the SR battery is fine. **Premium Package:** Obviously nobody is immune to hype. Especially in the car world it s easy to get swept up in the excitement over cool features and Tesla gets to piggyback on years of carmakers investing in convincing people options are worth paying for. Once we cool off we can see how much we actually care about the premium options: * Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs * 12-way power adjustable front seats steering column and side mirrors with custom driver profiles * Premium audio system with more power tweeters surround speakers and subwoofer * Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection * Auto dimming power folding heated side mirrors * LED fog lamps * Center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones So wood and premium materials are cool. Power seats are cool. Glass roof is cool… it s all pretty cool. And it almost sounds like a good deal when you see it all for *only* $5000. Ask yourself this though is your office chair power adjustable? Do you care? How many speakers are in your home audio system? Mine has two and it sounds pretty good to me. The big rear windshield is standard the glass roof is just a bit directly above the driver s head. How much would you care about that? Fog lamps and cool side mirror tricks are fancy but you will be just fine without them and stop caring either way pretty quickly. I admit I am tempted by the wood interior but not $5000 tempted. It s important to take a step back and see if you would pay this kind of money for these things anywhere else in your life. I haven t before so why start now? It already has a ton of cool features in the standard model to get excited about. My conclusion: It s cool but I don t spend money on ridiculous luxury in my life. Is this worth the extra financial baggage? Nah. **Color:** Similarly it s tempting to discount black as the color you *don t* want because it s the boring basic color. I strongly suggest you consider black as equal to the other options then get whatever color you want. **Wheels:** On the Model S I ve heard that Aero wheels can get between 3% and 6% efficiency gains. Let s call it 5%. If this is true then you really want to pay $1500 for a 5% less efficient car? You kidding me with this? This is another luxury that is worse than useless and I strongly suggest you don t get caught up in the pearl-clutching about the exact wheel style people are salivating over. **FSD Autopilot:** I was tempted to not include this because it s such a different animal of a discussion. Not only is Autopilot genuinely useful but you can also buy it after you get the car. Now I do understand that it is definitely easier to finance that $5k along with the rest of the car but $3k isn t so bad I would hang onto that until we actually get some delivery dates on FSD. Hope some of this helped feel free to correct my math or call me a peasant for advising against options. I hope some young people who are looking at the car don t get swept up in the luxury hype. | In my mid 20s and I pretty much completely agree with all your points! The premium upgrade is definitely all about coolness only fog lights and the center console really add much functionality. I m still very much considering the LR model simply for a few reasons: 1. Better possible resale value 2. My main reason: distance to visit my SO is literally 220 miles. This would save the supercharger trip both times. If they lived closer or further away it wouldn t be worth it but they live smack dab at the range limit. | Nice write-up! I ll be graduating soon with a Stem degree at 23yo and I m seriously considering a Model 3 in 3-5 years after I have some savings built up. Base model is still compelling especially after reading your perspectives. | 50 | 3 | 1,474 |
6td04c | 240 | Buying A Model 3 If You re 25 Or: Stop Worrying and Get The Base Model. There have been more posts around the sub that are along the lines of I m in my 20 s and this is an aspirational purchase for me should I break the bank and get the premium package and or the LR battery? Well I m a res holder in my mid 20s. I ve spent some time breaking down the time benefits and quality-of-life benefits of the options. If you re stretching your budget to buy this car maybe I can help. This thread isn t about whether you should buy a Model 3 I assume you ve made up your mind already and it s not really about diving into delivery windows or possible tax credits. **Range:** Tesla claims the small battery gets 220 miles of range and the big battery is 310. Let s assume you ll get 90% of this after some degradation so about 200 miles and 280 miles. That s 80-ish more miles for $9000. The argument in my own head was “yeah 200 miles is fine for my commute and going 40 minutes to IKEA but what about that romantic electric road trip I want to make?” I live in the Seattle area so looking at what kind of road trips I would do that are over 100 miles. Regardless of battery sizes on road trips it is usually most efficient to charge at each supercharger you encounter to take advantage of the fast charge from 10% to ~70%. Distance between superchargers is usually between 80 miles and 160 miles. When I was mapping out trips I noticed the time savings were only about 12% for the longer ones so I decided to make a chart of all the cities and places I might want to road trip to mapped on abetterrouteplanner and then a few extra to fill out the data. [Check Out The Chart Here](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1JxhLRVejjRtJPdZxlOocf-KLOEq_f0oLe5mDXsVqQT8 edit?usp=sharing) It illustrates how time savings as % of total trip length is zilch on the 144 mile drive to Vancouver it jumps to 5% on the no-charge drive to Portland because abetterrouteplanner recommends slower speed for the 173 mile drive and then jumps to between 10 and 12 percent for any length of journey that has 2 charges or more. SF and LA are less efficient driving SR because the Supercharger network between Seattle and California has some holes but I expect those to be filled in the next 12 months bringing efficiency back in line with the curve. I was shocked at how drastic the returns diminish by adding 70% more battery. If you re like me you will find that paying $9000 results in only a minor ~12% bump in total time savings for long trips and doesn t let you skip enough chargers to justify the cost. My conclusion: sleep easy the SR battery is fine. **Premium Package:** Obviously nobody is immune to hype. Especially in the car world it s easy to get swept up in the excitement over cool features and Tesla gets to piggyback on years of carmakers investing in convincing people options are worth paying for. Once we cool off we can see how much we actually care about the premium options: * Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs * 12-way power adjustable front seats steering column and side mirrors with custom driver profiles * Premium audio system with more power tweeters surround speakers and subwoofer * Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection * Auto dimming power folding heated side mirrors * LED fog lamps * Center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones So wood and premium materials are cool. Power seats are cool. Glass roof is cool… it s all pretty cool. And it almost sounds like a good deal when you see it all for *only* $5000. Ask yourself this though is your office chair power adjustable? Do you care? How many speakers are in your home audio system? Mine has two and it sounds pretty good to me. The big rear windshield is standard the glass roof is just a bit directly above the driver s head. How much would you care about that? Fog lamps and cool side mirror tricks are fancy but you will be just fine without them and stop caring either way pretty quickly. I admit I am tempted by the wood interior but not $5000 tempted. It s important to take a step back and see if you would pay this kind of money for these things anywhere else in your life. I haven t before so why start now? It already has a ton of cool features in the standard model to get excited about. My conclusion: It s cool but I don t spend money on ridiculous luxury in my life. Is this worth the extra financial baggage? Nah. **Color:** Similarly it s tempting to discount black as the color you *don t* want because it s the boring basic color. I strongly suggest you consider black as equal to the other options then get whatever color you want. **Wheels:** On the Model S I ve heard that Aero wheels can get between 3% and 6% efficiency gains. Let s call it 5%. If this is true then you really want to pay $1500 for a 5% less efficient car? You kidding me with this? This is another luxury that is worse than useless and I strongly suggest you don t get caught up in the pearl-clutching about the exact wheel style people are salivating over. **FSD Autopilot:** I was tempted to not include this because it s such a different animal of a discussion. Not only is Autopilot genuinely useful but you can also buy it after you get the car. Now I do understand that it is definitely easier to finance that $5k along with the rest of the car but $3k isn t so bad I would hang onto that until we actually get some delivery dates on FSD. Hope some of this helped feel free to correct my math or call me a peasant for advising against options. I hope some young people who are looking at the car don t get swept up in the luxury hype. | In my mid 20s and I pretty much completely agree with all your points! The premium upgrade is definitely all about coolness only fog lights and the center console really add much functionality. I m still very much considering the LR model simply for a few reasons: 1. Better possible resale value 2. My main reason: distance to visit my SO is literally 220 miles. This would save the supercharger trip both times. If they lived closer or further away it wouldn t be worth it but they live smack dab at the range limit. | Good post. Another thing to note with the wheels: you lose 5% in battery capacity the first 1-2 years. Now you re at 209. You never drive 100-0% more like 100-10%. So your real range is 189. Do you really wanna take off another 5% of that by paying an extra $1500? That leaves you with 179 miles. And I won t even get into cold weather and the heater... People buying the base model shouldn t blow off the standard wheels | 50 | 5 | 1,475 |
6td04c | 240 | Buying A Model 3 If You re 25 Or: Stop Worrying and Get The Base Model. There have been more posts around the sub that are along the lines of I m in my 20 s and this is an aspirational purchase for me should I break the bank and get the premium package and or the LR battery? Well I m a res holder in my mid 20s. I ve spent some time breaking down the time benefits and quality-of-life benefits of the options. If you re stretching your budget to buy this car maybe I can help. This thread isn t about whether you should buy a Model 3 I assume you ve made up your mind already and it s not really about diving into delivery windows or possible tax credits. **Range:** Tesla claims the small battery gets 220 miles of range and the big battery is 310. Let s assume you ll get 90% of this after some degradation so about 200 miles and 280 miles. That s 80-ish more miles for $9000. The argument in my own head was “yeah 200 miles is fine for my commute and going 40 minutes to IKEA but what about that romantic electric road trip I want to make?” I live in the Seattle area so looking at what kind of road trips I would do that are over 100 miles. Regardless of battery sizes on road trips it is usually most efficient to charge at each supercharger you encounter to take advantage of the fast charge from 10% to ~70%. Distance between superchargers is usually between 80 miles and 160 miles. When I was mapping out trips I noticed the time savings were only about 12% for the longer ones so I decided to make a chart of all the cities and places I might want to road trip to mapped on abetterrouteplanner and then a few extra to fill out the data. [Check Out The Chart Here](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1JxhLRVejjRtJPdZxlOocf-KLOEq_f0oLe5mDXsVqQT8 edit?usp=sharing) It illustrates how time savings as % of total trip length is zilch on the 144 mile drive to Vancouver it jumps to 5% on the no-charge drive to Portland because abetterrouteplanner recommends slower speed for the 173 mile drive and then jumps to between 10 and 12 percent for any length of journey that has 2 charges or more. SF and LA are less efficient driving SR because the Supercharger network between Seattle and California has some holes but I expect those to be filled in the next 12 months bringing efficiency back in line with the curve. I was shocked at how drastic the returns diminish by adding 70% more battery. If you re like me you will find that paying $9000 results in only a minor ~12% bump in total time savings for long trips and doesn t let you skip enough chargers to justify the cost. My conclusion: sleep easy the SR battery is fine. **Premium Package:** Obviously nobody is immune to hype. Especially in the car world it s easy to get swept up in the excitement over cool features and Tesla gets to piggyback on years of carmakers investing in convincing people options are worth paying for. Once we cool off we can see how much we actually care about the premium options: * Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs * 12-way power adjustable front seats steering column and side mirrors with custom driver profiles * Premium audio system with more power tweeters surround speakers and subwoofer * Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection * Auto dimming power folding heated side mirrors * LED fog lamps * Center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones So wood and premium materials are cool. Power seats are cool. Glass roof is cool… it s all pretty cool. And it almost sounds like a good deal when you see it all for *only* $5000. Ask yourself this though is your office chair power adjustable? Do you care? How many speakers are in your home audio system? Mine has two and it sounds pretty good to me. The big rear windshield is standard the glass roof is just a bit directly above the driver s head. How much would you care about that? Fog lamps and cool side mirror tricks are fancy but you will be just fine without them and stop caring either way pretty quickly. I admit I am tempted by the wood interior but not $5000 tempted. It s important to take a step back and see if you would pay this kind of money for these things anywhere else in your life. I haven t before so why start now? It already has a ton of cool features in the standard model to get excited about. My conclusion: It s cool but I don t spend money on ridiculous luxury in my life. Is this worth the extra financial baggage? Nah. **Color:** Similarly it s tempting to discount black as the color you *don t* want because it s the boring basic color. I strongly suggest you consider black as equal to the other options then get whatever color you want. **Wheels:** On the Model S I ve heard that Aero wheels can get between 3% and 6% efficiency gains. Let s call it 5%. If this is true then you really want to pay $1500 for a 5% less efficient car? You kidding me with this? This is another luxury that is worse than useless and I strongly suggest you don t get caught up in the pearl-clutching about the exact wheel style people are salivating over. **FSD Autopilot:** I was tempted to not include this because it s such a different animal of a discussion. Not only is Autopilot genuinely useful but you can also buy it after you get the car. Now I do understand that it is definitely easier to finance that $5k along with the rest of the car but $3k isn t so bad I would hang onto that until we actually get some delivery dates on FSD. Hope some of this helped feel free to correct my math or call me a peasant for advising against options. I hope some young people who are looking at the car don t get swept up in the luxury hype. | In my mid 20s and I pretty much completely agree with all your points! The premium upgrade is definitely all about coolness only fog lights and the center console really add much functionality. I m still very much considering the LR model simply for a few reasons: 1. Better possible resale value 2. My main reason: distance to visit my SO is literally 220 miles. This would save the supercharger trip both times. If they lived closer or further away it wouldn t be worth it but they live smack dab at the range limit. | Lol. Yes by all means you should all wait for standard non premium especially if you re ahead of me in line. WAIT MY PRETTIES. | 50 | 17 | 1,476 |
6tfmrt | 42 | Model S 100D owners - did you regret not getting the P100D? So I m on the fence and strongly leaning towards the 100D because ~~I m financially conservative~~ I m not sure the increase in cost is worth it . I ve driven both cars and had the P100D overnight. Is the 37k really worth it? Did anyone regret not spending it? My last car was a 2015 BMW M3 and while the 100D is plenty quick and completely sufficient it felt similar to my M3 - meaning I wasn t blown away by the acceleration. The P100D on the other hand gave me the giggles all night. I want to keep my Model S for a long time. Am I going to regret not upgrading? Especially interested in opinions from others used to daily driving performance cars. That said there are a lot of other ways to spend 37k... Edit: Removed financially conservative as people seem to think this means I don t want to spend money. No it s that I want to make sure I m getting something of value for my money. Happiness (or lack of disappointment) counts as value. | > So I m on the fence and strongly leaning towards [a $100 000 car] because I m financially conservative. ಠ_ಠ | Get the highest model you comfortably can or else every time you pull up next to another one you will wish you had | 62 | 13 | 1,477 |
6tfmrt | 42 | Model S 100D owners - did you regret not getting the P100D? So I m on the fence and strongly leaning towards the 100D because ~~I m financially conservative~~ I m not sure the increase in cost is worth it . I ve driven both cars and had the P100D overnight. Is the 37k really worth it? Did anyone regret not spending it? My last car was a 2015 BMW M3 and while the 100D is plenty quick and completely sufficient it felt similar to my M3 - meaning I wasn t blown away by the acceleration. The P100D on the other hand gave me the giggles all night. I want to keep my Model S for a long time. Am I going to regret not upgrading? Especially interested in opinions from others used to daily driving performance cars. That said there are a lot of other ways to spend 37k... Edit: Removed financially conservative as people seem to think this means I don t want to spend money. No it s that I want to make sure I m getting something of value for my money. Happiness (or lack of disappointment) counts as value. | If you are truly financially conservative than the P option is inconceivable. Be honest with yourself. | Get the highest model you comfortably can or else every time you pull up next to another one you will wish you had | 44 | 13 | 1,478 |
6tfmrt | 42 | Model S 100D owners - did you regret not getting the P100D? So I m on the fence and strongly leaning towards the 100D because ~~I m financially conservative~~ I m not sure the increase in cost is worth it . I ve driven both cars and had the P100D overnight. Is the 37k really worth it? Did anyone regret not spending it? My last car was a 2015 BMW M3 and while the 100D is plenty quick and completely sufficient it felt similar to my M3 - meaning I wasn t blown away by the acceleration. The P100D on the other hand gave me the giggles all night. I want to keep my Model S for a long time. Am I going to regret not upgrading? Especially interested in opinions from others used to daily driving performance cars. That said there are a lot of other ways to spend 37k... Edit: Removed financially conservative as people seem to think this means I don t want to spend money. No it s that I want to make sure I m getting something of value for my money. Happiness (or lack of disappointment) counts as value. | I have a 90 not a 100 but I went with the P90D. I have to admit I enjoy the hell out of it. Every day. My car rarely has Ludicrous mode switched off. I love that Tesla doesn t make you re-enable it every time you drive. The power is just there begging to be used. When I trade in my P90D I will absolutely get a PwhateverD again and never look back. | P100D Lexani wheels RB rotors and a bunch of carbon fiber parts because I would rather waste my money than have my kids or Uncle Sam waste it. | 31 | 3 | 1,479 |
6thyte | 641 | Interesting experience at Buena Park Tesla store. So I stopped at Buena Park Tesla store for a quick charge yesterday. My wife and I decided to go check out the showroom and see the new facelifted Model S and X (ultra white interior was super comfortable). A Sales advisor comes up and asks if we are interested and we say no we are just charging our Model S which we love and we have a Model 3 on the way. At this point the sales rep tells us we should ditch our Model 3 reservation and get a Model S. Tells me there isn t much difference in price. Which I just gave him a silent look. He then says a Model 3 was there a few weeks ago and whips out his phone to show me the pictures of him in the back seat. See how cramped we are in this picture? Him and another gentleman looked cramped but they were taking a selfie and getting in picture together. Then he started bashing the minimalist cabin and how the car is really not that nice and we will be disappointed coming from a Model S. At that point I politely told him we aren t buying another Model S and a fully loaded Model 3 will be great. He then starts saying well don t get one of the first ones because those will have so many problems like the S and X. He tried to get in more jabs and we just walked out. Regardless of anti selling or not you shouldn t anti sell by talking badly about your own product. He could have talked up the Model S without being such a pompous ass. Well anyways. End Rant. But this is not a good look for Tesla and if I didn t have a Model S and I was just browsing to see what my Model 3 would be like and I encountered this guy I would have cancelled my reservation and high stepped it out of the showroom to never return. | Did you notice the guy s name? I would totally notify the manager or even head office of your experience. | Interesting. My local store (Charlotte) hasn t done this to me or any one of my friends who have a Model 3 reservation. Maybe its an isolated incident that s just to the extreme? | 287 | 56 | 1,480 |
6thyte | 641 | Interesting experience at Buena Park Tesla store. So I stopped at Buena Park Tesla store for a quick charge yesterday. My wife and I decided to go check out the showroom and see the new facelifted Model S and X (ultra white interior was super comfortable). A Sales advisor comes up and asks if we are interested and we say no we are just charging our Model S which we love and we have a Model 3 on the way. At this point the sales rep tells us we should ditch our Model 3 reservation and get a Model S. Tells me there isn t much difference in price. Which I just gave him a silent look. He then says a Model 3 was there a few weeks ago and whips out his phone to show me the pictures of him in the back seat. See how cramped we are in this picture? Him and another gentleman looked cramped but they were taking a selfie and getting in picture together. Then he started bashing the minimalist cabin and how the car is really not that nice and we will be disappointed coming from a Model S. At that point I politely told him we aren t buying another Model S and a fully loaded Model 3 will be great. He then starts saying well don t get one of the first ones because those will have so many problems like the S and X. He tried to get in more jabs and we just walked out. Regardless of anti selling or not you shouldn t anti sell by talking badly about your own product. He could have talked up the Model S without being such a pompous ass. Well anyways. End Rant. But this is not a good look for Tesla and if I didn t have a Model S and I was just browsing to see what my Model 3 would be like and I encountered this guy I would have cancelled my reservation and high stepped it out of the showroom to never return. | I live 3 miles from the Buena Park store and have been there a lot. It s probably the most uncomfortable store I ve been in as far as employees go. I can probably guess which person was showing you telling you these things but I m not gonna out the guy online. When I was looking for an inventory car I gave another kid in there my specs and the guy I m suspecting that did the above to you was the one that started texting me a couple weeks after with inventory car options before the 60 D was going away. I replied I m out of town until Saturday and I ll go over this with you then or whatever I said and he just stopped replying after that. | Salesmen have to sell something. They won t ever want to sell something that they don t have to sell so they ll say anything to persuade the client that what they do have to sell is the best option. It doesn t sound like he is doing well and is getting desperate IMHO. Personally I would love an S but I don t have the room for one and I m not buying a new house just to have a bigger garage. The 3 will fit fine and I prefer smaller cars. I ve been to the Tesla showroom here too and they also push the pro S patter but they don t knock the 3 as much as this guy. He needs some adjustment. | 69 | 2 | 1,481 |
6thyte | 641 | Interesting experience at Buena Park Tesla store. So I stopped at Buena Park Tesla store for a quick charge yesterday. My wife and I decided to go check out the showroom and see the new facelifted Model S and X (ultra white interior was super comfortable). A Sales advisor comes up and asks if we are interested and we say no we are just charging our Model S which we love and we have a Model 3 on the way. At this point the sales rep tells us we should ditch our Model 3 reservation and get a Model S. Tells me there isn t much difference in price. Which I just gave him a silent look. He then says a Model 3 was there a few weeks ago and whips out his phone to show me the pictures of him in the back seat. See how cramped we are in this picture? Him and another gentleman looked cramped but they were taking a selfie and getting in picture together. Then he started bashing the minimalist cabin and how the car is really not that nice and we will be disappointed coming from a Model S. At that point I politely told him we aren t buying another Model S and a fully loaded Model 3 will be great. He then starts saying well don t get one of the first ones because those will have so many problems like the S and X. He tried to get in more jabs and we just walked out. Regardless of anti selling or not you shouldn t anti sell by talking badly about your own product. He could have talked up the Model S without being such a pompous ass. Well anyways. End Rant. But this is not a good look for Tesla and if I didn t have a Model S and I was just browsing to see what my Model 3 would be like and I encountered this guy I would have cancelled my reservation and high stepped it out of the showroom to never return. | Great Chad I ll take an S for $49k then. Oh a little more is actually $26k more you say? And the car has less range charges slower and has less headroom? Hmmmm | Salesmen have to sell something. They won t ever want to sell something that they don t have to sell so they ll say anything to persuade the client that what they do have to sell is the best option. It doesn t sound like he is doing well and is getting desperate IMHO. Personally I would love an S but I don t have the room for one and I m not buying a new house just to have a bigger garage. The 3 will fit fine and I prefer smaller cars. I ve been to the Tesla showroom here too and they also push the pro S patter but they don t knock the 3 as much as this guy. He needs some adjustment. | 68 | 2 | 1,482 |
6tjgv2 | 101 | So when the hell will AP2 actually do auto wipers? Seattle just ended a record dry streak after a record wet winter. As I turned on the wipers tonight it hit me: I still have a $100K car without auto wipers. So it was promised in 2016 and then next month in February and then hopefully June in May. It s AUGUST. It s been 307 days since AP2 was announced and Tesla still can t do auto wipers. At what point does this move from a little bit delayed to class action lawsuit? | This + blind spot monitor just kills me | Yeah it s weird how Tesla located in Silicon Valley where it hardly ever rains never seems to get around to this one. EDIT: oh my god do I really need a s on this? | 30 | 2 | 1,483 |
6tn3qh | 86 | Silence on AP2 progress. Let s petition the board to do something. AP2 is hundreds of days late on many features. 8 months after it was supposed to be at AP1 parity it still is not. It was also supposed to show significant progress every 2 to 6 weeks but we ve had no functionality updates since early June. In fact the only feature added in the last 100 days is perpendicular parking. For a system that was supposed to go from nothing to everything in under 100 days this is indicative of a project that is completely off the rails. As owners and shareholders all we get is a tweet every now and then from the CEO hoping that a feature will be out soon. Except of course when he says some FSD will definitely be here in 6 months and that date comes and goes without any fanfare. Either way we re not getting anything official. Tesla needs to up their communication on this issue. When they sold the cars they were happy to promise in sales literature that a feature would exist by a certain time. Now that it s very late we re hearing nothing. This is a huge concern as shareholders as Tesla has been sold as a leader in autonomous cars but they have done little to actually prove this to be true or to demonstrate that they have any real expertise in this area. It s also a large PR issue as current owners are telling potential future purchasers to reconsider the purchase given the complete inability to know what the car will be able to do when delivered or in the future. Tesla has an electronic contact the board option. I d encourage all shareholders to write and ask the board to publicly state a plan and timeline to fix the huge gap in features or a way to remove the liability they have from the money they have collected against these future promises. Contact the board: http: ir.tesla.com contactboard.cfm Missing AP1 features (expected by end 2016): * Auto wipers * Reading speed limit signs * Differentiating Trucks and Motorcycles * Vehicles in adjacent lanes Missing EAP features (sold as coming early 2017): * Auto lane change on highway * Auto highway exit * Good performance on twisty roads * Complex Summon * Self park Missing FSD features ( definitely something by July 2017) : * Any ability for the car to do anything without a driver Possible topics to bring up: * Concern over legal liability for not having delivered on sales promises * Concern over bad PR from current owners * Concern over long term capabilities of Tesla to be a leader an autonomous vehicles * Concern over lack of communication except for sporadic tweets from CEO | The rest of the sub is shitting on you but I had a feeling this was coming. **Tesla has completely mishandled the roll out of AP2.** I say this as a die hard fan boy. For those of you defending them ask yourself this: why are they still selling access to FSD when they know it ll be years before it can be used? And don t use the legislation reasons as a cop out they re extremely behind and we all know it. | They were way off on the target date of an inherently unknowable situation and you want them to remedy that by pulling another date out of a hat? How does that help? What does that change? Tesla like all businesses should be more open with what s going on what the hold up is etc but I don t get what you re trying to accomplish here. Throw a dart at a calendar and pretend that s the new date it would be every bit as accurate as anything Tesla could give you even if they wanted to. Imagine being a construction company trying to build a type of building no one has ever made before and using tools and materials no one has ever used to attempt it. If nothing else it s the kind of thing people know will take years to be completed. Then imagine being asked on twitter what date you think the bathrooms on the 5th floor will be ready. Why would anyone think that your reply was EVER anything but a best guess no matter how confident you sounded? All the guesses in the world don t change the fact that the building is done when it s done. | 67 | 2 | 1,484 |
6tn3qh | 86 | Silence on AP2 progress. Let s petition the board to do something. AP2 is hundreds of days late on many features. 8 months after it was supposed to be at AP1 parity it still is not. It was also supposed to show significant progress every 2 to 6 weeks but we ve had no functionality updates since early June. In fact the only feature added in the last 100 days is perpendicular parking. For a system that was supposed to go from nothing to everything in under 100 days this is indicative of a project that is completely off the rails. As owners and shareholders all we get is a tweet every now and then from the CEO hoping that a feature will be out soon. Except of course when he says some FSD will definitely be here in 6 months and that date comes and goes without any fanfare. Either way we re not getting anything official. Tesla needs to up their communication on this issue. When they sold the cars they were happy to promise in sales literature that a feature would exist by a certain time. Now that it s very late we re hearing nothing. This is a huge concern as shareholders as Tesla has been sold as a leader in autonomous cars but they have done little to actually prove this to be true or to demonstrate that they have any real expertise in this area. It s also a large PR issue as current owners are telling potential future purchasers to reconsider the purchase given the complete inability to know what the car will be able to do when delivered or in the future. Tesla has an electronic contact the board option. I d encourage all shareholders to write and ask the board to publicly state a plan and timeline to fix the huge gap in features or a way to remove the liability they have from the money they have collected against these future promises. Contact the board: http: ir.tesla.com contactboard.cfm Missing AP1 features (expected by end 2016): * Auto wipers * Reading speed limit signs * Differentiating Trucks and Motorcycles * Vehicles in adjacent lanes Missing EAP features (sold as coming early 2017): * Auto lane change on highway * Auto highway exit * Good performance on twisty roads * Complex Summon * Self park Missing FSD features ( definitely something by July 2017) : * Any ability for the car to do anything without a driver Possible topics to bring up: * Concern over legal liability for not having delivered on sales promises * Concern over bad PR from current owners * Concern over long term capabilities of Tesla to be a leader an autonomous vehicles * Concern over lack of communication except for sporadic tweets from CEO | The rest of the sub is shitting on you but I had a feeling this was coming. **Tesla has completely mishandled the roll out of AP2.** I say this as a die hard fan boy. For those of you defending them ask yourself this: why are they still selling access to FSD when they know it ll be years before it can be used? And don t use the legislation reasons as a cop out they re extremely behind and we all know it. | Nobody more than you needs to sell their car. Based on your post history you are clearly extremely unhappy with it. Why put yourself through this? | 67 | 2 | 1,485 |
6tn3qh | 86 | Silence on AP2 progress. Let s petition the board to do something. AP2 is hundreds of days late on many features. 8 months after it was supposed to be at AP1 parity it still is not. It was also supposed to show significant progress every 2 to 6 weeks but we ve had no functionality updates since early June. In fact the only feature added in the last 100 days is perpendicular parking. For a system that was supposed to go from nothing to everything in under 100 days this is indicative of a project that is completely off the rails. As owners and shareholders all we get is a tweet every now and then from the CEO hoping that a feature will be out soon. Except of course when he says some FSD will definitely be here in 6 months and that date comes and goes without any fanfare. Either way we re not getting anything official. Tesla needs to up their communication on this issue. When they sold the cars they were happy to promise in sales literature that a feature would exist by a certain time. Now that it s very late we re hearing nothing. This is a huge concern as shareholders as Tesla has been sold as a leader in autonomous cars but they have done little to actually prove this to be true or to demonstrate that they have any real expertise in this area. It s also a large PR issue as current owners are telling potential future purchasers to reconsider the purchase given the complete inability to know what the car will be able to do when delivered or in the future. Tesla has an electronic contact the board option. I d encourage all shareholders to write and ask the board to publicly state a plan and timeline to fix the huge gap in features or a way to remove the liability they have from the money they have collected against these future promises. Contact the board: http: ir.tesla.com contactboard.cfm Missing AP1 features (expected by end 2016): * Auto wipers * Reading speed limit signs * Differentiating Trucks and Motorcycles * Vehicles in adjacent lanes Missing EAP features (sold as coming early 2017): * Auto lane change on highway * Auto highway exit * Good performance on twisty roads * Complex Summon * Self park Missing FSD features ( definitely something by July 2017) : * Any ability for the car to do anything without a driver Possible topics to bring up: * Concern over legal liability for not having delivered on sales promises * Concern over bad PR from current owners * Concern over long term capabilities of Tesla to be a leader an autonomous vehicles * Concern over lack of communication except for sporadic tweets from CEO | The rest of the sub is shitting on you but I had a feeling this was coming. **Tesla has completely mishandled the roll out of AP2.** I say this as a die hard fan boy. For those of you defending them ask yourself this: why are they still selling access to FSD when they know it ll be years before it can be used? And don t use the legislation reasons as a cop out they re extremely behind and we all know it. | I sympathize with your frustration but in my book they have at least a year because that is how long it will take for me to get a model 3. Tech companies don t like to give progress reports on tech they are developing. I am guessing they don t want competitors to know where they are at. Also keep in mind the safety issues of releasing software before it s thoroughly tested. It s much better to be late and alive then early and dead. I would rather they take their time and get it right the 1st time. Which you must understand is kind of crucial. They will be crucified if they release a bad update. This is super super important to have to work correctly once released. | 67 | 3 | 1,486 |
6tplc6 | 132 | People who think that the speed indicator on the Model 3 s screen is too far from your center of vision to look at safely: How do you use your mirrors? I don t get it. I ve seen a lot of complaints that it s a stupid design and that I have to turn my head to look at it which is unsafe and endangers lives. Do these people not use their rear-view mirrors at all? If you can t turn your head slightly or look away from the road for a split second you shouldn t really be driving. Those are essentials skills to driving and always have been. | As someone who routinely glances at Waze and other GPS apps while driving my primary concern with speed on the center screen vs an IC or HUD is that I m going to get more unsolicited opinions on how fast I m going -) | Lets be honest they re just whiners many people just resist change | 41 | 12 | 1,487 |
6tva8b | 47 | What are some features you think can be software-enabled and would like to suggest to Tesla? I ll start. I believe with a software update regen mode switching can be enabled on the scroll wheel or the drive stalk. A software tweak can even add a zero regen option (option to free glide) as one of the regen modes. | You re going to see a lot of posts from people who don t own Tesla products and therefore don t have a frame of reference for what it s like to live with the car as it is. That s why you don t see actual Tesla owners asking for Android Auto Carplay That said as an owner I do keep a list: - Display phone s battery and signal status on the main screen possibly right on the phone icon. - Allow us to turn on off hiding the top app navigation row in map mode. - New Driving Controls Page - Checkbox to enable automatic steering changes (Set to Comfort below 15 mph) - Acceleration: Range - Standard - Sport (102.5%) - Insane (115%) - Ludicrous (125%) - Range limits acceleration and top speed to help extend driving range. (Max draw is capped at a specific kw level) - Standard is what we re driving now. This is 100% of standard power. - Sport is available on all cars and pushes the hardware as hard as possible. This should give a small performance boost to legacy cars plus a little placebo effect. - Insane Ludicrous list percentages of power above Standard to empahsize that you re overstressing the components. Also going to 115% power (or whatever the max is) is psychologically attractive. - Max battery power would be a larger red green striped button below the acceleration setting. It becomes available (ungreyed) when you select Ludicrous. When you push it it flashes to indicate that the battery is coming up to temp and might have a progress bar on the button. - Display Dismiss Phone notifications as well as send recieve text messages via the screens voice. Include an option to enable only when there is no front seat passenger or to send the notification only to the driver s screen when there is a front seat passenger for privacy. - Power mirrors should fold when the car enters Park and unfold when it enters Drive or Reverse but not when summon is enabled. The current practice of unfolding during powerup then folding for summon then unfolding again causes needless wear on the equipment and looks dumb. Leave them folded until it s possible to need them. - Automatically raise and retract the steering wheel when the driver s door opens (or when the car is in park) for easy ingress egress. - Battery management while plugged in: Currently after the vehicle is charged it sits plugged in but not pulling power from the connector for anything. Vampire loss climate control and use of the on-board computer can reduce range (consuming battery energy) even though it s plugged into a power source. It should be able to maintain its state of charge even with the climate control and on-board computers running indefinitely in this configuration. This can be easily fixed with the following software changes: - When plugged in turn off Range Mode on the climate control and Power Saving Mode on the computers and fold the mirrors. - When plugged in frequently check the State of Charge vs the set level and re-start charging if it s low in case climate control is consuming a lot of power. - When Supercharging or plugged into a supercharger leave the computers and climate control turned on. Monitor the battery state and resume charging if necessary. - Entertainment System (General): - Fade in fade out volume changes (esp. during play pause) rather than just blasting it. - Cleaner audiobook support via USB (MP3 M4A and M4B formats) - Do not resume USB playback on vehicle power up. It screws up audiobooks. Resume all USB audio in a paused state. - Support playlists on USB storage (M3U and PLS) - Add selectable Volume Normalization Loudness EQ setting and customizable EQ Presents for different types of music. - Do not unmute the radio when the car starts doors open. - Allow me to favorite songs artists from the metadata of FM AM XM Bluetooth audio sources. (Favoriting a song or artist triggers a streaming media search for that song or artist so I can favorite it.) - Automatically download album art for all songs XM channels and radio stations and include a means to clear that cache for troubleshooting purposes. - Streaming Media (Slacker Spotify): - A Refresh button to log out and log back in to refresh favorites and playlists without having to type in credentials. - Allow us to favorite specific artists or albums not just specific songs. - Allow us to pin the song title album or the artist s name and play only songs that match the pinned criteria. - Warn us if the service doesn t have a license for the requested song instead of just playing something else. - Support for selecting of 128 192 320 kb s streaming rates. - Pre-cache the next track when the current track is completely loaded to smooth out problems in poor signal areas and support seamless playback. - Allow creation editing of playlists and Fine Tuning of channels (See Slacker s website) - Support for Audible audio books - Some kind of generic or API support for other streaming services like Spotify Pandora Google Play Music iTunes Amazon Youtube Red etc. (They all have very similar control schemes) - Phone: - Add a Tesla tab to the main screen s phone app to call Tesla Roadside Assistance Tesla Customer Service the Nearest Service Center and Emergency Services (911 in the US) - Navigation: - Allow me to share addresses with the car from a phone (without creating a calendar record) - Default to Fastest route not Shortest - Allow me to choose which route to take if alternate routes are found - Allow me to add enroute stops via the console or from a phone - Optional POI overlays and data from Zillow Yelp Loopnet etc. - Show my destination s StreetView photo when I m getting close. - Allow me to select if I will charge at my destination or not. If I plan to charge I can roll in at a low SoC. If I don t it needs to ensure that I arrive with enough power left to get back to a known charging location. - Voice Commands: - Google or Search that uses the internal browser to look up a word or phrase on Google. - Browser: - Use a modern browser with reasonable performance - Add a setting so I can always allow the use of location data. It s irritating to have to approve it every time for sites that want it and most sites I d use in a car want location data. - Low-speed AEB in forward and reverse. If speed is > 1 mph and the ultrasonics detect an obstacle don t let me hit it. - Better blind-spot warning. The display on the dash isn t that useful for actually knowing where cars are. | I just pop on tacc when I want to cruise. | 72 | 2 | 1,488 |
6tva8b | 47 | What are some features you think can be software-enabled and would like to suggest to Tesla? I ll start. I believe with a software update regen mode switching can be enabled on the scroll wheel or the drive stalk. A software tweak can even add a zero regen option (option to free glide) as one of the regen modes. | You re going to see a lot of posts from people who don t own Tesla products and therefore don t have a frame of reference for what it s like to live with the car as it is. That s why you don t see actual Tesla owners asking for Android Auto Carplay That said as an owner I do keep a list: - Display phone s battery and signal status on the main screen possibly right on the phone icon. - Allow us to turn on off hiding the top app navigation row in map mode. - New Driving Controls Page - Checkbox to enable automatic steering changes (Set to Comfort below 15 mph) - Acceleration: Range - Standard - Sport (102.5%) - Insane (115%) - Ludicrous (125%) - Range limits acceleration and top speed to help extend driving range. (Max draw is capped at a specific kw level) - Standard is what we re driving now. This is 100% of standard power. - Sport is available on all cars and pushes the hardware as hard as possible. This should give a small performance boost to legacy cars plus a little placebo effect. - Insane Ludicrous list percentages of power above Standard to empahsize that you re overstressing the components. Also going to 115% power (or whatever the max is) is psychologically attractive. - Max battery power would be a larger red green striped button below the acceleration setting. It becomes available (ungreyed) when you select Ludicrous. When you push it it flashes to indicate that the battery is coming up to temp and might have a progress bar on the button. - Display Dismiss Phone notifications as well as send recieve text messages via the screens voice. Include an option to enable only when there is no front seat passenger or to send the notification only to the driver s screen when there is a front seat passenger for privacy. - Power mirrors should fold when the car enters Park and unfold when it enters Drive or Reverse but not when summon is enabled. The current practice of unfolding during powerup then folding for summon then unfolding again causes needless wear on the equipment and looks dumb. Leave them folded until it s possible to need them. - Automatically raise and retract the steering wheel when the driver s door opens (or when the car is in park) for easy ingress egress. - Battery management while plugged in: Currently after the vehicle is charged it sits plugged in but not pulling power from the connector for anything. Vampire loss climate control and use of the on-board computer can reduce range (consuming battery energy) even though it s plugged into a power source. It should be able to maintain its state of charge even with the climate control and on-board computers running indefinitely in this configuration. This can be easily fixed with the following software changes: - When plugged in turn off Range Mode on the climate control and Power Saving Mode on the computers and fold the mirrors. - When plugged in frequently check the State of Charge vs the set level and re-start charging if it s low in case climate control is consuming a lot of power. - When Supercharging or plugged into a supercharger leave the computers and climate control turned on. Monitor the battery state and resume charging if necessary. - Entertainment System (General): - Fade in fade out volume changes (esp. during play pause) rather than just blasting it. - Cleaner audiobook support via USB (MP3 M4A and M4B formats) - Do not resume USB playback on vehicle power up. It screws up audiobooks. Resume all USB audio in a paused state. - Support playlists on USB storage (M3U and PLS) - Add selectable Volume Normalization Loudness EQ setting and customizable EQ Presents for different types of music. - Do not unmute the radio when the car starts doors open. - Allow me to favorite songs artists from the metadata of FM AM XM Bluetooth audio sources. (Favoriting a song or artist triggers a streaming media search for that song or artist so I can favorite it.) - Automatically download album art for all songs XM channels and radio stations and include a means to clear that cache for troubleshooting purposes. - Streaming Media (Slacker Spotify): - A Refresh button to log out and log back in to refresh favorites and playlists without having to type in credentials. - Allow us to favorite specific artists or albums not just specific songs. - Allow us to pin the song title album or the artist s name and play only songs that match the pinned criteria. - Warn us if the service doesn t have a license for the requested song instead of just playing something else. - Support for selecting of 128 192 320 kb s streaming rates. - Pre-cache the next track when the current track is completely loaded to smooth out problems in poor signal areas and support seamless playback. - Allow creation editing of playlists and Fine Tuning of channels (See Slacker s website) - Support for Audible audio books - Some kind of generic or API support for other streaming services like Spotify Pandora Google Play Music iTunes Amazon Youtube Red etc. (They all have very similar control schemes) - Phone: - Add a Tesla tab to the main screen s phone app to call Tesla Roadside Assistance Tesla Customer Service the Nearest Service Center and Emergency Services (911 in the US) - Navigation: - Allow me to share addresses with the car from a phone (without creating a calendar record) - Default to Fastest route not Shortest - Allow me to choose which route to take if alternate routes are found - Allow me to add enroute stops via the console or from a phone - Optional POI overlays and data from Zillow Yelp Loopnet etc. - Show my destination s StreetView photo when I m getting close. - Allow me to select if I will charge at my destination or not. If I plan to charge I can roll in at a low SoC. If I don t it needs to ensure that I arrive with enough power left to get back to a known charging location. - Voice Commands: - Google or Search that uses the internal browser to look up a word or phrase on Google. - Browser: - Use a modern browser with reasonable performance - Add a setting so I can always allow the use of location data. It s irritating to have to approve it every time for sites that want it and most sites I d use in a car want location data. - Low-speed AEB in forward and reverse. If speed is > 1 mph and the ultrasonics detect an obstacle don t let me hit it. - Better blind-spot warning. The display on the dash isn t that useful for actually knowing where cars are. | The ability to set a cabin temperature and have it hold that temperature for X amount of time or simply until we get back in the car next. | 72 | 3 | 1,489 |
6tva8b | 47 | What are some features you think can be software-enabled and would like to suggest to Tesla? I ll start. I believe with a software update regen mode switching can be enabled on the scroll wheel or the drive stalk. A software tweak can even add a zero regen option (option to free glide) as one of the regen modes. | You re going to see a lot of posts from people who don t own Tesla products and therefore don t have a frame of reference for what it s like to live with the car as it is. That s why you don t see actual Tesla owners asking for Android Auto Carplay That said as an owner I do keep a list: - Display phone s battery and signal status on the main screen possibly right on the phone icon. - Allow us to turn on off hiding the top app navigation row in map mode. - New Driving Controls Page - Checkbox to enable automatic steering changes (Set to Comfort below 15 mph) - Acceleration: Range - Standard - Sport (102.5%) - Insane (115%) - Ludicrous (125%) - Range limits acceleration and top speed to help extend driving range. (Max draw is capped at a specific kw level) - Standard is what we re driving now. This is 100% of standard power. - Sport is available on all cars and pushes the hardware as hard as possible. This should give a small performance boost to legacy cars plus a little placebo effect. - Insane Ludicrous list percentages of power above Standard to empahsize that you re overstressing the components. Also going to 115% power (or whatever the max is) is psychologically attractive. - Max battery power would be a larger red green striped button below the acceleration setting. It becomes available (ungreyed) when you select Ludicrous. When you push it it flashes to indicate that the battery is coming up to temp and might have a progress bar on the button. - Display Dismiss Phone notifications as well as send recieve text messages via the screens voice. Include an option to enable only when there is no front seat passenger or to send the notification only to the driver s screen when there is a front seat passenger for privacy. - Power mirrors should fold when the car enters Park and unfold when it enters Drive or Reverse but not when summon is enabled. The current practice of unfolding during powerup then folding for summon then unfolding again causes needless wear on the equipment and looks dumb. Leave them folded until it s possible to need them. - Automatically raise and retract the steering wheel when the driver s door opens (or when the car is in park) for easy ingress egress. - Battery management while plugged in: Currently after the vehicle is charged it sits plugged in but not pulling power from the connector for anything. Vampire loss climate control and use of the on-board computer can reduce range (consuming battery energy) even though it s plugged into a power source. It should be able to maintain its state of charge even with the climate control and on-board computers running indefinitely in this configuration. This can be easily fixed with the following software changes: - When plugged in turn off Range Mode on the climate control and Power Saving Mode on the computers and fold the mirrors. - When plugged in frequently check the State of Charge vs the set level and re-start charging if it s low in case climate control is consuming a lot of power. - When Supercharging or plugged into a supercharger leave the computers and climate control turned on. Monitor the battery state and resume charging if necessary. - Entertainment System (General): - Fade in fade out volume changes (esp. during play pause) rather than just blasting it. - Cleaner audiobook support via USB (MP3 M4A and M4B formats) - Do not resume USB playback on vehicle power up. It screws up audiobooks. Resume all USB audio in a paused state. - Support playlists on USB storage (M3U and PLS) - Add selectable Volume Normalization Loudness EQ setting and customizable EQ Presents for different types of music. - Do not unmute the radio when the car starts doors open. - Allow me to favorite songs artists from the metadata of FM AM XM Bluetooth audio sources. (Favoriting a song or artist triggers a streaming media search for that song or artist so I can favorite it.) - Automatically download album art for all songs XM channels and radio stations and include a means to clear that cache for troubleshooting purposes. - Streaming Media (Slacker Spotify): - A Refresh button to log out and log back in to refresh favorites and playlists without having to type in credentials. - Allow us to favorite specific artists or albums not just specific songs. - Allow us to pin the song title album or the artist s name and play only songs that match the pinned criteria. - Warn us if the service doesn t have a license for the requested song instead of just playing something else. - Support for selecting of 128 192 320 kb s streaming rates. - Pre-cache the next track when the current track is completely loaded to smooth out problems in poor signal areas and support seamless playback. - Allow creation editing of playlists and Fine Tuning of channels (See Slacker s website) - Support for Audible audio books - Some kind of generic or API support for other streaming services like Spotify Pandora Google Play Music iTunes Amazon Youtube Red etc. (They all have very similar control schemes) - Phone: - Add a Tesla tab to the main screen s phone app to call Tesla Roadside Assistance Tesla Customer Service the Nearest Service Center and Emergency Services (911 in the US) - Navigation: - Allow me to share addresses with the car from a phone (without creating a calendar record) - Default to Fastest route not Shortest - Allow me to choose which route to take if alternate routes are found - Allow me to add enroute stops via the console or from a phone - Optional POI overlays and data from Zillow Yelp Loopnet etc. - Show my destination s StreetView photo when I m getting close. - Allow me to select if I will charge at my destination or not. If I plan to charge I can roll in at a low SoC. If I don t it needs to ensure that I arrive with enough power left to get back to a known charging location. - Voice Commands: - Google or Search that uses the internal browser to look up a word or phrase on Google. - Browser: - Use a modern browser with reasonable performance - Add a setting so I can always allow the use of location data. It s irritating to have to approve it every time for sites that want it and most sites I d use in a car want location data. - Low-speed AEB in forward and reverse. If speed is > 1 mph and the ultrasonics detect an obstacle don t let me hit it. - Better blind-spot warning. The display on the dash isn t that useful for actually knowing where cars are. | Ability to manually leave the AC turned on when exiting the car (for short stops in the summer) only way to do it now (that I know of) is exit the car and fumble with my phone to turn the AC on. | 72 | 3 | 1,490 |
6tvnw1 | 200 | Not all Tesla showrooms are being pushy with the model S upsell. http: m.imgur.com gallery CugzsMf The Seattle showroom just emailed and it was a perfectly reasonable email unlike some of the others I ve seen. | Why do people keep saying loosing -_- | I was in the Seattle Westlake showroom this last weekend. When they heard I had a Model 3 reserved they did get triggered into upselling me on a Model S 75. To their credit they said the gap between the Model 3 and S was relatively low and didn t try to mislead me by saying they re nearly the same price. | 97 | 9 | 1,491 |
6tvnw1 | 200 | Not all Tesla showrooms are being pushy with the model S upsell. http: m.imgur.com gallery CugzsMf The Seattle showroom just emailed and it was a perfectly reasonable email unlike some of the others I ve seen. | Why do people keep saying loosing -_- | This is how 99% of the employees do it. And next time blank the name out. | 97 | 37 | 1,492 |
6tvnw1 | 200 | Not all Tesla showrooms are being pushy with the model S upsell. http: m.imgur.com gallery CugzsMf The Seattle showroom just emailed and it was a perfectly reasonable email unlike some of the others I ve seen. | Why do people keep saying loosing -_- | I got that same email from Nicole. Replied back which options I was looking for and asked her to give me any information about TM3 as soon as she had it. She replied back telling me that compared to a premium TM3 the Model S is only $100 mo more. I m not sure how she got those numbers ($140 mo at best without AP or anything). I responded that I couldn t make the Model S work and she politely left it at that. Your mileage may vary. | 97 | 43 | 1,493 |
6tw7eu | 90 | PSA: load shifting does not work yet on the Powerwall 2 Just in case anybody was thinking about it... They weren t horribly transparent on this besides we expect to get it working before your Powerwall installation . Welp got installed. Works only as backup power as far as I know. Not too big a deal but for those thinking about it you should know. | I got downvoted for telling people the same thing | > as far as I know. Did Tesla or the installer give any update while it was being installed? | 68 | 2 | 1,494 |
6tw7eu | 90 | PSA: load shifting does not work yet on the Powerwall 2 Just in case anybody was thinking about it... They weren t horribly transparent on this besides we expect to get it working before your Powerwall installation . Welp got installed. Works only as backup power as far as I know. Not too big a deal but for those thinking about it you should know. | I got downvoted for telling people the same thing | Thanks for the info. Thats disappointing. I have net metering in my state so the only way power wall even remotely makes financial sense if they have load shifting. We don t have a lot blackouts either. You mind posting back when they have it enabled? | 68 | 3 | 1,495 |
6tw7eu | 90 | PSA: load shifting does not work yet on the Powerwall 2 Just in case anybody was thinking about it... They weren t horribly transparent on this besides we expect to get it working before your Powerwall installation . Welp got installed. Works only as backup power as far as I know. Not too big a deal but for those thinking about it you should know. | I got downvoted for telling people the same thing | Sorry for the ignorance but what s load shifting and why is it important? | 68 | 16 | 1,496 |
6u1vgx | 36 | Anyone getting the M3 Long Range primarily because of the increased power instead of the longer range? Most of the discussions I have seen from people debating on whether they want the long range trim or the standard trim have been focusing on just the range portion and charging rate... I want the long range trim because of its performance. I consider the extra range that comes with it as a bonus. A quick comparison with BMW 3 series (2wd) shows that the 340i is a little bit more than $9k more expensive than the 330i with 0-60 times of 4.8s and 5.5s respectively. This is relatively close to the Model 3 LR vs SR with times of 5.1s and 5.6s respectively. | I would doubt most people are doing it for the 0.5 second difference. It s a nice bonus but the extra range and quicker charging times is a big plus. | Getting it sooner | 47 | 19 | 1,497 |
6u3xpy | 259 | Be considerate about where you charge your car. Had a surprising incident today and I just thought maybe a little PSA would be helpful (and to vent). We run a small family business where we have two electric car chargers installed for customers our property is very clearly not confused with a public space (think farm). Today we had a Tesla S pull up and park in our charger spot plug in and immediately leave in another vehicle that had followed behind. OK we thought maybe he will come back after visiting a few other places and come to our store after. NOPE. He came back this time in another vehicle got into his Tesla and they both sped off as we were watching he could see us too. Stole a free charge. As a business we care strongly about the environment and are happy to offer the service but we do pay for the electricity. In general if it s not a public station the business is covering it and it would be common courtesy to shop there or at least speak to the owners first. It says that in the notes when you find us through the map. I m sure most of you wouldn t do it it was bizarre to witness it happen. Very uncool driver of a brand and image we really love. | I ll piggyback off of this: if you see an EV charging spot don t use it unless you need to charge. Its not a parking spot for people who have electric vehicles its a parking spot for people who have electric vehicles and want to charge their car. The main reason many of these spots are so close to the front of a business isn t because they want to promote EV use its because running electrical lines away from a building can be expensive. | Based on how you described it - you know they could see you they sped off they didn t come in to your business at all - I think it s clear that the Tesla owner knew that they shouldn t really charge there but chose to anyway. So in that case would a sign at the charger saying the charger if for customer use only make a difference? Probably not. If it happens again it may require you to put something behind the car so they can t leave until you politely remind them verbally face to face. | 65 | 2 | 1,498 |
6u3xpy | 259 | Be considerate about where you charge your car. Had a surprising incident today and I just thought maybe a little PSA would be helpful (and to vent). We run a small family business where we have two electric car chargers installed for customers our property is very clearly not confused with a public space (think farm). Today we had a Tesla S pull up and park in our charger spot plug in and immediately leave in another vehicle that had followed behind. OK we thought maybe he will come back after visiting a few other places and come to our store after. NOPE. He came back this time in another vehicle got into his Tesla and they both sped off as we were watching he could see us too. Stole a free charge. As a business we care strongly about the environment and are happy to offer the service but we do pay for the electricity. In general if it s not a public station the business is covering it and it would be common courtesy to shop there or at least speak to the owners first. It says that in the notes when you find us through the map. I m sure most of you wouldn t do it it was bizarre to witness it happen. Very uncool driver of a brand and image we really love. | I ll piggyback off of this: if you see an EV charging spot don t use it unless you need to charge. Its not a parking spot for people who have electric vehicles its a parking spot for people who have electric vehicles and want to charge their car. The main reason many of these spots are so close to the front of a business isn t because they want to promote EV use its because running electrical lines away from a building can be expensive. | Yeah that is a pretty douche move. | 65 | 4 | 1,499 |
6u3xpy | 259 | Be considerate about where you charge your car. Had a surprising incident today and I just thought maybe a little PSA would be helpful (and to vent). We run a small family business where we have two electric car chargers installed for customers our property is very clearly not confused with a public space (think farm). Today we had a Tesla S pull up and park in our charger spot plug in and immediately leave in another vehicle that had followed behind. OK we thought maybe he will come back after visiting a few other places and come to our store after. NOPE. He came back this time in another vehicle got into his Tesla and they both sped off as we were watching he could see us too. Stole a free charge. As a business we care strongly about the environment and are happy to offer the service but we do pay for the electricity. In general if it s not a public station the business is covering it and it would be common courtesy to shop there or at least speak to the owners first. It says that in the notes when you find us through the map. I m sure most of you wouldn t do it it was bizarre to witness it happen. Very uncool driver of a brand and image we really love. | I ll piggyback off of this: if you see an EV charging spot don t use it unless you need to charge. Its not a parking spot for people who have electric vehicles its a parking spot for people who have electric vehicles and want to charge their car. The main reason many of these spots are so close to the front of a business isn t because they want to promote EV use its because running electrical lines away from a building can be expensive. | Can afford to buy a Model S Cannot afford to pay for a charge (or at least stop by in the store). Shown by people abusing the free supercharging for local charging when they clearly can afford to pay for home charging just because it s free. | 65 | 5 | 1,500 |
6ubhpt | 29 | Is charging the short range Model 3 to 100% for occasional road trips okay for the battery? Was mapping out a route from my home in Fresno to Los Angeles and it looks like it will be tough to make it to the Tejon Supercharger unless I drive really slow (max 63 mph). I ve seen some old posts about not charging to 100% but is this okay for once in a while road trips? I currently charge my Fiat 500e to 100% almost every night but I don t really care about that car as it was just a placeholder until the Model 3 came out... | People are way too worried about the 100% charge limit. The issue is charging it to 100% every night and having it sit there for 12 hours before you leave for work. Do this every day and it sits at 100% for 4 000+ hours a year. Li-Ion does degrade faster at full charge but not in any noticeable way in minutes or hours. Think about it- your phone and laptop spend huge amounts of time at 100% charge and the batteries still last years before they go down to 50% capacity. They also tend to either sit at 100% all the time (laptop) or get fully cycled every day (phone). Charging to 100% the night before a trip is fine. Doing this even a few times a month won t hurt anything. If this hurt the battery in a real way Tesla wouldn t allow it. | Keep in mind the battery will degrade in a few years. What is tight at first might be impossible later | 33 | 2 | 1,501 |
6ubhpt | 29 | Is charging the short range Model 3 to 100% for occasional road trips okay for the battery? Was mapping out a route from my home in Fresno to Los Angeles and it looks like it will be tough to make it to the Tejon Supercharger unless I drive really slow (max 63 mph). I ve seen some old posts about not charging to 100% but is this okay for once in a while road trips? I currently charge my Fiat 500e to 100% almost every night but I don t really care about that car as it was just a placeholder until the Model 3 came out... | People are way too worried about the 100% charge limit. The issue is charging it to 100% every night and having it sit there for 12 hours before you leave for work. Do this every day and it sits at 100% for 4 000+ hours a year. Li-Ion does degrade faster at full charge but not in any noticeable way in minutes or hours. Think about it- your phone and laptop spend huge amounts of time at 100% charge and the batteries still last years before they go down to 50% capacity. They also tend to either sit at 100% all the time (laptop) or get fully cycled every day (phone). Charging to 100% the night before a trip is fine. Doing this even a few times a month won t hurt anything. If this hurt the battery in a real way Tesla wouldn t allow it. | Yes. You re just not supposed to keep it at 100% for long regularly. | 33 | 3 | 1,502 |
6ucpbr | 320 | Some thoughts on switching back from Tesla to ICE So I blew it. After 2 years of Tesla ownership about 3ish months ago I threw in the towel. I over-reached in getting my P85 at the price that I did I was falling behind and it wasn t getting better. I switched to a perfectly serviceable and brand new Chrysler 300 because their lease rebate program they had managed to entirely wipe out how underwater I was on the Tesla! Now I ve got a La-Z-Boy on wheels full-on grandpa mode. Comfy suspension big ol boat of a car (slightly bigger than the Model S) ridiculously plush seating all that jazz. As for bells-and-whistles I think I m pretty close to feature parity. No autopilot on either wireless keyfob that doesn t leave my pocket on both automatic driver profiles etc etc. For a trade-down I m pretty happy with it. That said I ve now experienced the transition to EV and another one to ICE and I gotta say it was a lot easier getting used to an EV than it was getting used to an ICE. Here are some semi-organized thoughts on the matter - *trying* to focus specifically on the EV vs ICE thing. **Road trips:** Coincidentally I got both cars shortly before long-distance road trips. ([Here s the Tesla trip](http: imgur.com a cGWq2) and the Chrysler trip was around 3 500 miles.) I d say that I got about the same amount of mileage out of each day of driving regardless of car. The Chrysler s ventilated seats made the drive slightly more comfortable. Stopping for gas was honestly worse than stopping at the Superchargers for me. With the superchargers I had a waypoint to aim for and I knew exactly how long it d be between stops - there wasn t any thinking about it or hemming and hawing about maybe seeing if the next station had slightly cheaper gas. I mean I appreciate flexibility but the superchargers won out on account of being one less thing to think about. **Driveability:** Good lord it s annoying how long gas engines take to respond. I really was not prepared for how frustrating that s been especially getting around town. In the Tesla the only thing you have to think about is how hard you re hitting the pedal - it responds instantly and the same way every time. In the Chrysler I m *still* not used to it. That small delay between your action and the car s response is just *really* throwing me off. I ll pull away from stop signs either super slow or revving the shit out of the engine more often than someone who s been driving a decade should. And then there s the whole gear shift thing. That one s less bad because in automatic mode it usually happens around the same time and the engine s sound tells you when it s gonna happen. In manual (paddle shifter) mode it s even better. The car before these two was a Civic Hybrid with a CVT so it s been several years since my last gear shift and I didn t miss it. Minor annoyance overall. Slowing down is still weird. The car still feels out of control because of the lack of regenerative braking. I really appreciated that the no input mode of an EV is that it ll slow down pretty quickly seems safer that way. I ve adapted my braking habits to more closely match an EV s slowdown and it s really noticeable that I m slowing down further back from the light than a lot of people. Haven t really had inclement weather yet so I don t have any thoughts there. This is my first car with AWD though I m curious to see how it handles the winter. **Logistics:** The Chrysler s also got a wireless keyfob system never take the keys out of my pocket. It s nice! That said it took me a couple weeks to stop leaving the engine running. I m about due for an oil change maintenance is obviously gonna be more often than on the Tesla. Same size tires at least so I know what to expect price-wise. With the exception of the road trip I have more often than not waited until the low fuel light started bugging me to fill the car up. I didn t realize how much of a habit change it is to just plug in when you get home at night. Speaking of fuel hooooo *boy* is it uncomfortable paying at the pump every fill-up what used to get added to my electric bill in a month. This is not an efficient car fortunately the lease on it incentivizes me to not drive it all that often. **Conclusion:** I really think that we re just used to ICE cars rather than them being actually easier or better. When you grow up with it and there s nothing else to compare it to of course it s gonna be normal. I feel like I spent long enough on an EV to forget about ICE driving and it s clear based on my preferences that it s a no-contest win for EVs. I dunno how much of it s about Tesla *really* getting things right and how much is just EVs being inherently easier to use but man 2 years 9 months left on this lease. I can t wait until I get my shit together enough to get back into an EV. | Thank you for your writeup. Sorry you had to part with the Tesla. | Nice reading. Interesting perspective. So will you get a 3 when your lease is up on your ICE? | 115 | 44 | 1,503 |
6uf9h8 | 33 | If I m being honest with myself I was disappointed. Test drove and spent significant time in an S today. Maybe my expectations were too high but I didn t walk away as impressed as I thought I would. While the acceleration Autopilot and exterior were all highlights I found the interior to be ... blah. I think calling it cheap would be way too aggressive. But it definitely did not feel as ... solid | refined | evolved ... as other cars I ve had which cost significantly less. Longer term owners: how does the interior age over time? I saw a car that was just turned in and sat inside. Multiple panels were loose (for example the headliner was falling out on the driver a-pillar) and the driver s seat left side bolster was coming apart. This might surprise you but I did order an S by the end of the experience but am waffling on that decision due to this. Just curious whether anyone else has felt this way and how it turned out for them? Any regrets? | Some people prefer [this](https: i.pinimg.com 736x 39 7a 01 397a01b9a505be56f6e3e53a58d8b408--craftsman-style-interiors-craftsman-interior.jpg) type of home. Others prefer [this](https: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com 736x 45 66 dc 4566dc8f2526e190ff937745673e6149--industrial-interior-design-industrial-interiors.jpg) kind. To each their own. | I have a 2013 with 55k miles. I bought it used so I haven t owned it the entire time but I will say rattles do develop. The aluminum trim on the door handles can get dinged up by watches or rings. The B pillar gets a lot of wear due to the low entry as you slide in and out of the car. My leather is wearing pretty well but I have the old style performance seats. I haven t seen anything as bad as you describe (headliner falling down etc). So I would say the interior isn t holding up as well as my prior Lexus but it s far from terrible. Probably not up to par in it s price class though. I have grown to like the minimalism. I wish the seats were better and that the seatbelt height was adjustable. I wouldn t trade my car for anything else though. It s that amazing. | 88 | 2 | 1,504 |
6uf9h8 | 33 | If I m being honest with myself I was disappointed. Test drove and spent significant time in an S today. Maybe my expectations were too high but I didn t walk away as impressed as I thought I would. While the acceleration Autopilot and exterior were all highlights I found the interior to be ... blah. I think calling it cheap would be way too aggressive. But it definitely did not feel as ... solid | refined | evolved ... as other cars I ve had which cost significantly less. Longer term owners: how does the interior age over time? I saw a car that was just turned in and sat inside. Multiple panels were loose (for example the headliner was falling out on the driver a-pillar) and the driver s seat left side bolster was coming apart. This might surprise you but I did order an S by the end of the experience but am waffling on that decision due to this. Just curious whether anyone else has felt this way and how it turned out for them? Any regrets? | Some people prefer [this](https: i.pinimg.com 736x 39 7a 01 397a01b9a505be56f6e3e53a58d8b408--craftsman-style-interiors-craftsman-interior.jpg) type of home. Others prefer [this](https: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com 736x 45 66 dc 4566dc8f2526e190ff937745673e6149--industrial-interior-design-industrial-interiors.jpg) kind. To each their own. | ###& #009 ######& #009 ####& #009 Acronyms initialisms abbreviations contractions and other phrases which expand to something larger that I ve seen in this thread: |Fewer Letters|More Letters| |-------|---------|---| |AP2|AutoPilot v2 Enhanced Autopilot full autonomy (in cars built after 2016-10-19) [in development]| |[BEV]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dlsdh1z Last usage )|Battery Electric Vehicle| |[CF]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dlsxn0j Last usage )|Carbon Fiber (Carbon Fibre) composite material| | |CompactFlash memory storage for digital cameras| |[CPO]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dlsmtds Last usage )|Certified Pre-Owned| |[FSD]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dlsoac8 Last usage )|Fully Self Autonomous Driving see AP2| |[ICE]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dltgwjh Last usage )|Internal Combustion Engine or vehicle powered by same| |[M3]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dlsb06r Last usage )|BMW performance sedan ^([Tesla M3 will never be a thing])| |[OTA]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dlt98c7 Last usage )|Over-The-Air software delivery| |[P85D]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dlsc0vt Last usage )|85kWh battery dual motors performance upgrades| |[PUP]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dlsxfo9 Last usage )|Premium Upgrade Package| |[S75]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dlstwak Last usage )|Model S 75kWh battery| |[kWh]( r TeslaMotors comments 6uf9h8 dlsx1kt Last usage )|Kilowatt-hours electrical energy unit (3.6MJ)| ---------------- ^(11 acronyms in this thread )[^the ^most ^compressed ^thread ^commented ^on ^today]( r TeslaMotors comments 6ujtgw)^( has 9 acronyms.) ^([Thread #2278 for this sub first seen 18th Aug 2017 06:24]) [^\\[FAQ\\]](http: decronym.xyz ) [^\\[Contact\\]](https: reddit.com message compose?to=OrangeredStilton& subject=Hey +your+acronym+bot+sucks) [^\\[Source ^code\\]](https: gist.github.com Two9A 1d976f9b7441694162c8) | 88 | 2 | 1,505 |
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