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6plilm | 301 | My guess on where the 4416 rumor came from Ben Sullins supposedly got a tip about a 4416 battery and it took on an internet life that it s a new form factor a 44mm x 160mm cell if you will. (For reference current form factor 18650 is 18mm x 65mm future 2170 is 21mm x 70mm). I believe Ben did hear the number 4416 but he confused it with form factor. My hypothesis is that 4416 is the _number_of_cells in the battery pack of the Model 3. For context the Model S has 74 cells per group * 6 groups in series per module * 16 modules = 7104 cells of the 18650 form factor. Model 3 is: 92 cells per group * 6 groups in series per module * 8 modules = 4416 cells of the 2170 form factor. The peak voltage and nominal voltage works out for the 92 cells per group. Edit: Adding more assumptions: 4.5 Ah * 3.6V * 4416 cells and we have a ~70 to ~75 kWh battery! | That sounds... perfectly reasonable. | Smart. | 141 | 12 | 1,306 |
6plilm | 301 | My guess on where the 4416 rumor came from Ben Sullins supposedly got a tip about a 4416 battery and it took on an internet life that it s a new form factor a 44mm x 160mm cell if you will. (For reference current form factor 18650 is 18mm x 65mm future 2170 is 21mm x 70mm). I believe Ben did hear the number 4416 but he confused it with form factor. My hypothesis is that 4416 is the _number_of_cells in the battery pack of the Model 3. For context the Model S has 74 cells per group * 6 groups in series per module * 16 modules = 7104 cells of the 18650 form factor. Model 3 is: 92 cells per group * 6 groups in series per module * 8 modules = 4416 cells of the 2170 form factor. The peak voltage and nominal voltage works out for the 92 cells per group. Edit: Adding more assumptions: 4.5 Ah * 3.6V * 4416 cells and we have a ~70 to ~75 kWh battery! | That might be the most reasonable thought this sub has had in 72hrs | Smart. | 118 | 12 | 1,307 |
6plilm | 301 | My guess on where the 4416 rumor came from Ben Sullins supposedly got a tip about a 4416 battery and it took on an internet life that it s a new form factor a 44mm x 160mm cell if you will. (For reference current form factor 18650 is 18mm x 65mm future 2170 is 21mm x 70mm). I believe Ben did hear the number 4416 but he confused it with form factor. My hypothesis is that 4416 is the _number_of_cells in the battery pack of the Model 3. For context the Model S has 74 cells per group * 6 groups in series per module * 16 modules = 7104 cells of the 18650 form factor. Model 3 is: 92 cells per group * 6 groups in series per module * 8 modules = 4416 cells of the 2170 form factor. The peak voltage and nominal voltage works out for the 92 cells per group. Edit: Adding more assumptions: 4.5 Ah * 3.6V * 4416 cells and we have a ~70 to ~75 kWh battery! | That might be the most reasonable thought this sub has had in 72hrs | TLDR: Yes this explanation makes sense. The 100 kWh pack has 8 256 cells and 102.4 kWh actual capacity. That s 102 400 8 256= 12.4 Wh per cell. 2170 cells have 46.6% more volume than 18650 cells. Therefore a 2170 cell should have 18.2 Wh capacity. That means 80.3 kWh with 4416 cells. However Elon said maximum 75 kWh. Therefore I m going to assume the energy capacity increase was less than the volume increase. Therefore 75 kWh is very likely. | 118 | 13 | 1,308 |
6prlvr | 85 | What car are you replacing for a Model 3? I m replacing a 2007 Lexus GS350. This car will last much longer but it eats a lot of gas and it s not as fun to drive as other cars (or Model 3 assuming it drives anywhere like a Model S does but lighter and smaller) | None it will be my first car. | 2012 Chevy Volt | 109 | 2 | 1,309 |
6prlvr | 85 | What car are you replacing for a Model 3? I m replacing a 2007 Lexus GS350. This car will last much longer but it eats a lot of gas and it s not as fun to drive as other cars (or Model 3 assuming it drives anywhere like a Model S does but lighter and smaller) | None it will be my first car. | 2015 BMW i3 | 109 | 8 | 1,310 |
6prlvr | 85 | What car are you replacing for a Model 3? I m replacing a 2007 Lexus GS350. This car will last much longer but it eats a lot of gas and it s not as fun to drive as other cars (or Model 3 assuming it drives anywhere like a Model S does but lighter and smaller) | None it will be my first car. | 2016 Honda Civic touring | 109 | 9 | 1,311 |
6ps8ye | 25 | u Marques-Brownlee tops the Loveday Video project. Congrats! edit: oops. I thought the deadline was 5pm today. keeping this post here as a (easy) future predictor | While I m a big fan of Marques and I really liked his video I m really disappointed he s going to be the one that wins. This was a competition everyone could compete in (though actually owning a Tesla makes it easier) but the person with the biggest following comes out a winner just due to popularity | https: twitter.com TeslaMotors status 890291870298849280 | 45 | 4 | 1,312 |
6ps8ye | 25 | u Marques-Brownlee tops the Loveday Video project. Congrats! edit: oops. I thought the deadline was 5pm today. keeping this post here as a (easy) future predictor | While I m a big fan of Marques and I really liked his video I m really disappointed he s going to be the one that wins. This was a competition everyone could compete in (though actually owning a Tesla makes it easier) but the person with the biggest following comes out a winner just due to popularity | There is still 41 hours 49 minutes of voting left... | 45 | 14 | 1,313 |
6pvt88 | 40 | MKBHD s video should not win Tesla Loveday Edit: it is clear that lots of people disagree so I rest my case. Hey at least we had some interesting conversation while waiting. I think the way Tesla made the voting for the videos gives a significant and unfair advantage to MKBHD s video and I am making this thread to protest publicly. I hope Tesla will see this and reconsider. MKBHD is already very popular he has 4.7 million subscribers one cannot have a contest of popularity where one contestant is asymmetrically more popular than the others. I m sure Tesla can give him like a side award like a Highly Commended or something and I am pretty sure he would also prefer that rather than a hollow victory . I hope he can comment here and confirm. Don t get me wrong I love MKBHD and I like the video he made for Loveday but it s just not fair. Also I have absolutely no affiliation with any other video team. | It s not a big deal. There are 3 winners and they win having their videos showed. He is definitely not putting anyone on the street here. Furthermore it would have been unfair if they were counting likes on Youtube where MKBHD already had 50k+ likes but they started from 0 on Twitter. Of course MKBHD is popular on that media too but that s fair. | I think your argument only holds weight if the video was bad but it s not so... | 64 | 8 | 1,314 |
6pvt88 | 40 | MKBHD s video should not win Tesla Loveday Edit: it is clear that lots of people disagree so I rest my case. Hey at least we had some interesting conversation while waiting. I think the way Tesla made the voting for the videos gives a significant and unfair advantage to MKBHD s video and I am making this thread to protest publicly. I hope Tesla will see this and reconsider. MKBHD is already very popular he has 4.7 million subscribers one cannot have a contest of popularity where one contestant is asymmetrically more popular than the others. I m sure Tesla can give him like a side award like a Highly Commended or something and I am pretty sure he would also prefer that rather than a hollow victory . I hope he can comment here and confirm. Don t get me wrong I love MKBHD and I like the video he made for Loveday but it s just not fair. Also I have absolutely no affiliation with any other video team. | Here s why I think he should win. The winning entry will be broadcasted to the masses. His is the most neutral while the others can come off as hippy nerdy and smug. Those may appeal to us but could cause a negative reaction among the populace. | What exactly would be a more fair way of doing this? Make it so no one was allowed to tweet about their video or mention it in any way shape or form on social media? Let s not forget the most important thing is the success of Tesla and the Model 3 launch not which of these great videos is better. They re all good now show us the Model 3! | 54 | 2 | 1,315 |
6pvt88 | 40 | MKBHD s video should not win Tesla Loveday Edit: it is clear that lots of people disagree so I rest my case. Hey at least we had some interesting conversation while waiting. I think the way Tesla made the voting for the videos gives a significant and unfair advantage to MKBHD s video and I am making this thread to protest publicly. I hope Tesla will see this and reconsider. MKBHD is already very popular he has 4.7 million subscribers one cannot have a contest of popularity where one contestant is asymmetrically more popular than the others. I m sure Tesla can give him like a side award like a Highly Commended or something and I am pretty sure he would also prefer that rather than a hollow victory . I hope he can comment here and confirm. Don t get me wrong I love MKBHD and I like the video he made for Loveday but it s just not fair. Also I have absolutely no affiliation with any other video team. | Here s why I think he should win. The winning entry will be broadcasted to the masses. His is the most neutral while the others can come off as hippy nerdy and smug. Those may appeal to us but could cause a negative reaction among the populace. | Even if it was not a popularity contest and Tesla said his video was the winner I m pretty sure a lot of people would still say it s unfair. MKBHD being popular is going to have this effect one way or another. You could disqualify him based on his current popularity but where do you draw that line and is that really fair to him or Tesla? | 54 | 3 | 1,316 |
6pxtt4 | 101 | Project Loveday vote buying rigging underway Unfortunately it s become really obvious that one entrant in Project Loveday has been Liked up to 2nd place through purchased Likes or bot activity. They were kind of down around 9th place or so this morning and over a few minutes they rocketed up to second place. The vast majority of the likes are from Russian twitter accounts that were just created have 0 followers and are consistently liking the same posts and content. I suppose there s a scenario where the likes weren t purchased specifically for this entry and that bots have targeted it for one reason or another. In any case it has completely skewed the votes. Hopefully Tesla does something about it because it s tainting what has otherwise been a great contest. I ve posted some screen grabs of the types of activity associated with that entry: http: imgur.com a uiV5d It s also worth mentioning that it has very few comments on the tweet whereas the other entries with a solid amount of votes have 5x-10x the amount of comments (whether they be good or bad). That also suggests that most of the Likes aren t coming from legit people. I hate to say that there s yet another Russian voting scandal but is there any other way to interpret what we re seeing? EDIT I ve added a another screengrab with analytics on a handful of the retweets: http: imgur.com F7kRW1e All created within a day or two of each other and no followers. EDIT #2 Confirmed by Elon and Tesla: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 890676198874824706 https: twitter.com TeslaMotors status 890681635691151360 I ll add that it s definitely occurred to me that it could be a case of a bunch of bots being pointed at an arbitrary Tesla post to Like in order to make the bots look legitimate for a future Like-buyer and it could ve targeted any of the submissions. It just looks super suspicious. | A kid suggests something cool for a company to do. Adults ruin it. This is why we can t have nice things. | I m not sure why anyone would really care. Online polls social media related voting is always slammed with issues. I would worry less about actual rank and more on the content made. It s pretty normal in every online contest that the top few have sketchy votes involved | 79 | 4 | 1,317 |
6pxtt4 | 101 | Project Loveday vote buying rigging underway Unfortunately it s become really obvious that one entrant in Project Loveday has been Liked up to 2nd place through purchased Likes or bot activity. They were kind of down around 9th place or so this morning and over a few minutes they rocketed up to second place. The vast majority of the likes are from Russian twitter accounts that were just created have 0 followers and are consistently liking the same posts and content. I suppose there s a scenario where the likes weren t purchased specifically for this entry and that bots have targeted it for one reason or another. In any case it has completely skewed the votes. Hopefully Tesla does something about it because it s tainting what has otherwise been a great contest. I ve posted some screen grabs of the types of activity associated with that entry: http: imgur.com a uiV5d It s also worth mentioning that it has very few comments on the tweet whereas the other entries with a solid amount of votes have 5x-10x the amount of comments (whether they be good or bad). That also suggests that most of the Likes aren t coming from legit people. I hate to say that there s yet another Russian voting scandal but is there any other way to interpret what we re seeing? EDIT I ve added a another screengrab with analytics on a handful of the retweets: http: imgur.com F7kRW1e All created within a day or two of each other and no followers. EDIT #2 Confirmed by Elon and Tesla: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 890676198874824706 https: twitter.com TeslaMotors status 890681635691151360 I ll add that it s definitely occurred to me that it could be a case of a bunch of bots being pointed at an arbitrary Tesla post to Like in order to make the bots look legitimate for a future Like-buyer and it could ve targeted any of the submissions. It just looks super suspicious. | A kid suggests something cool for a company to do. Adults ruin it. This is why we can t have nice things. | I can t figure out how to vote for Stephen Colbert or Boaty McBoatface so I m not sure what I m supposed to do with this. | 79 | 18 | 1,318 |
6pxtt4 | 101 | Project Loveday vote buying rigging underway Unfortunately it s become really obvious that one entrant in Project Loveday has been Liked up to 2nd place through purchased Likes or bot activity. They were kind of down around 9th place or so this morning and over a few minutes they rocketed up to second place. The vast majority of the likes are from Russian twitter accounts that were just created have 0 followers and are consistently liking the same posts and content. I suppose there s a scenario where the likes weren t purchased specifically for this entry and that bots have targeted it for one reason or another. In any case it has completely skewed the votes. Hopefully Tesla does something about it because it s tainting what has otherwise been a great contest. I ve posted some screen grabs of the types of activity associated with that entry: http: imgur.com a uiV5d It s also worth mentioning that it has very few comments on the tweet whereas the other entries with a solid amount of votes have 5x-10x the amount of comments (whether they be good or bad). That also suggests that most of the Likes aren t coming from legit people. I hate to say that there s yet another Russian voting scandal but is there any other way to interpret what we re seeing? EDIT I ve added a another screengrab with analytics on a handful of the retweets: http: imgur.com F7kRW1e All created within a day or two of each other and no followers. EDIT #2 Confirmed by Elon and Tesla: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 890676198874824706 https: twitter.com TeslaMotors status 890681635691151360 I ll add that it s definitely occurred to me that it could be a case of a bunch of bots being pointed at an arbitrary Tesla post to Like in order to make the bots look legitimate for a future Like-buyer and it could ve targeted any of the submissions. It just looks super suspicious. | The Russians have hacked another election | I m not sure why anyone would really care. Online polls social media related voting is always slammed with issues. I would worry less about actual rank and more on the content made. It s pretty normal in every online contest that the top few have sketchy votes involved | 61 | 4 | 1,319 |
6pycnk | 231 | Dear Future Tesla Owners Now that the Model 3 is finally almost here I foresee a huge potential problem. People that aren t used to Autopilot (AP) are going to be enabling it acting silly and causing wrecks. These wrecks will be ALL over the news and the ~~propaganda developers~~ News services will give a lot of bad press. Please understand that you **HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION** even while using AP. Do not make the mistake blame Tesla and cause more roadblocks to FSD becoming legal. *Edit: I like commas too much | You may as well post about using turn signals when driving manually following at a reasonable distance or not drinking and driving. Those won t change either. People are going to do whatever they want and reddit posts aren t going to change driving behaviour. | It s nice you said this - but honestly - it s incumbent on Tesla to do some informative messaging about this. It s the only way you ll actually inform hundreds of thousands of people. | 101 | 17 | 1,320 |
6pycnk | 231 | Dear Future Tesla Owners Now that the Model 3 is finally almost here I foresee a huge potential problem. People that aren t used to Autopilot (AP) are going to be enabling it acting silly and causing wrecks. These wrecks will be ALL over the news and the ~~propaganda developers~~ News services will give a lot of bad press. Please understand that you **HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION** even while using AP. Do not make the mistake blame Tesla and cause more roadblocks to FSD becoming legal. *Edit: I like commas too much | Unlike turn signals and such proper AP usage isn t taught in driving school or part of the driving test. There s also a lot of misinformation out there about its capabilities. AP should be disabled in settings by default and when enabled while parked a video plays that shows proper usage. It s a whole CYA thing Tesla needs to do. Edit: [Like this idiot.](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=pJ4-2d7C6gg) | Also please park properly within the lines. The amount of bad Tesla parking jobs I ve seen is too damn high! Remember you represent the future a lot of people are looking up at you be a good role model. Parking or otherwise. | 86 | 7 | 1,321 |
6pycnk | 231 | Dear Future Tesla Owners Now that the Model 3 is finally almost here I foresee a huge potential problem. People that aren t used to Autopilot (AP) are going to be enabling it acting silly and causing wrecks. These wrecks will be ALL over the news and the ~~propaganda developers~~ News services will give a lot of bad press. Please understand that you **HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION** even while using AP. Do not make the mistake blame Tesla and cause more roadblocks to FSD becoming legal. *Edit: I like commas too much | Unlike turn signals and such proper AP usage isn t taught in driving school or part of the driving test. There s also a lot of misinformation out there about its capabilities. AP should be disabled in settings by default and when enabled while parked a video plays that shows proper usage. It s a whole CYA thing Tesla needs to do. Edit: [Like this idiot.](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=pJ4-2d7C6gg) | Are you suggesting I responsibly drive a car? Thanks for the reminder! | 86 | 9 | 1,322 |
6pytne | 39 | Model 3 Event - Anything in particular you wished there was a photo video of? Within reason. Please upvote your wishes if someone else comments it. Thanks! | Trunk opening showing how seats fold Hoping for them making good on the promise to get my road bike in there | Battery sticker. | 86 | 12 | 1,323 |
6pytne | 39 | Model 3 Event - Anything in particular you wished there was a photo video of? Within reason. Please upvote your wishes if someone else comments it. Thanks! | Trunk opening showing how seats fold Hoping for them making good on the promise to get my road bike in there | frunk rear seat folding (including how it locks in place if there s a mechanical key or if it s controlled via the screen) glovebox. Everything else is about options and pricing to me. | 86 | 20 | 1,324 |
6pytne | 39 | Model 3 Event - Anything in particular you wished there was a photo video of? Within reason. Please upvote your wishes if someone else comments it. Thanks! | I d like to hear them talk about V3 Supercharging. If they can get it down to 10 minutes for 300 miles that will put the final nail in the Hydrogen fuel cell coffin. | Use of the Chademo adapter to confirm it s compatible. Mine is scheduled for delivery for Monday and I d rather refuse the shipment if the model 3 doesn t support it. | 44 | 2 | 1,325 |
6pzqvp | 161 | Don t Test Drive We had a Toyota Sienna minivan and it was good. Then we added a LEAF to the stable. The LEAF was amazing so much more enjoyable to drive than the Sienna. Why would I want to drive that piece of crap minivan? Then we replaced the minivan with the S. Now when I have to drive the LEAF I think I don t want to drive this piece of crap. Unless you are prepared to buy do not test drive a Tesla. It s that good. | Leaf does 0-60 in 10 seconds. The first time I drove my wife s Leaf after not driving it for a few months I honestly thought that I forgot to release the parking brake. She was not amused when I told her. | I drive the my fit when I want to go to the Popeyes drive thru and don t want to scrape my rims. | 59 | 2 | 1,326 |
6pzqvp | 161 | Don t Test Drive We had a Toyota Sienna minivan and it was good. Then we added a LEAF to the stable. The LEAF was amazing so much more enjoyable to drive than the Sienna. Why would I want to drive that piece of crap minivan? Then we replaced the minivan with the S. Now when I have to drive the LEAF I think I don t want to drive this piece of crap. Unless you are prepared to buy do not test drive a Tesla. It s that good. | Leaf does 0-60 in 10 seconds. The first time I drove my wife s Leaf after not driving it for a few months I honestly thought that I forgot to release the parking brake. She was not amused when I told her. | Have test driven three different Model S (S75 90D P100D) including a 3 day test drive of the 90D. Also test drove a Model X100D. Have yet to buy one but assuming no rude surprises tomorrow I ll buy a 3. | 59 | 21 | 1,327 |
6pzqvp | 161 | Don t Test Drive We had a Toyota Sienna minivan and it was good. Then we added a LEAF to the stable. The LEAF was amazing so much more enjoyable to drive than the Sienna. Why would I want to drive that piece of crap minivan? Then we replaced the minivan with the S. Now when I have to drive the LEAF I think I don t want to drive this piece of crap. Unless you are prepared to buy do not test drive a Tesla. It s that good. | Not to spoil the party but I think it s important to have a healthy sense of self-restraint. I think cars are cool especially super advanced EVs like Teslas. And I ve driven anything from a Ferrari (only parking lot. tears) to Model S s as well. After all of this I understand what makes those cars great but I also understand that I don t need them and for what I paid my ol Camry is doing just fine. I know this headline is mostly a joke but I seriously do encourage people to test drive Teslas to see how amazing they really are. And then be happy with whatever you still own. | I drive the my fit when I want to go to the Popeyes drive thru and don t want to scrape my rims. | 32 | 2 | 1,328 |
6q0j4c | 186 | [Unconfirmed employee boast] First FSD-specific feature coming tomorrow Loose lips celebrating a bit too much and a bit prematurely this afternoon at the Rosewood SH slipped the following boast into conversation at the long bar: Enhanced autopilot will stop at stop signs and red lights on FSD-enabled cars. Driver will need to hit the accelerator to resume but the car will now stop itself. Take with a grain of salt but if it comes true you heard it here first. | It wouldn t surprise me. Tesla will undoubtedly sell a lot more FSD upgrades to people configuring their Model 3 if they know they ll get something out of it right now as opposed to a wink and a nod that they ll get it soon. | Speculating and thinking out loud... would that mean you need to re-engage enhanced autopilot after every stop? Or accelerator resumes to local speed with a tap. | 61 | 4 | 1,329 |
6q0j4c | 186 | [Unconfirmed employee boast] First FSD-specific feature coming tomorrow Loose lips celebrating a bit too much and a bit prematurely this afternoon at the Rosewood SH slipped the following boast into conversation at the long bar: Enhanced autopilot will stop at stop signs and red lights on FSD-enabled cars. Driver will need to hit the accelerator to resume but the car will now stop itself. Take with a grain of salt but if it comes true you heard it here first. | It wouldn t surprise me. Tesla will undoubtedly sell a lot more FSD upgrades to people configuring their Model 3 if they know they ll get something out of it right now as opposed to a wink and a nod that they ll get it soon. | plausible | 61 | 18 | 1,330 |
6q21dg | 49 | Last call for HUD Battery sticker jokes Tomorrow is the official Model 3 unveiling and as such HUD and battery sticker jokes will become irrelevant (until the Model Y at least). Get it out of your systems now folks! (In a self contained thread where the rest of the sub doesn t have to see it!) | You will need to tap the location of the battery sticker with the key card to activate the HUD. | HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER HUD BATTERY STICKER | 33 | 6 | 1,331 |
6q2oum | 106 | [company name] will release a Tesla killer in [current year + 5 years] I was looking at a news website and saw the title you see [here](http: i.imgur.com oUZSx3Y.jpg). I thought let me guess in 2021? . Then I click on the article and it says 2022. So apparently the rule is current year + 5 years. | Still waiting on Chevy Bolt to steal all of Tesla s EV market share. | Yup I make the same guess Everytime I read about a Tesla Killer and it ends up being true almost always. | 48 | 3 | 1,332 |
6q2oum | 106 | [company name] will release a Tesla killer in [current year + 5 years] I was looking at a news website and saw the title you see [here](http: i.imgur.com oUZSx3Y.jpg). I thought let me guess in 2021? . Then I click on the article and it says 2022. So apparently the rule is current year + 5 years. | Still waiting on Chevy Bolt to steal all of Tesla s EV market share. | I m wondering if some of those articles aren t machine generated. | 48 | 11 | 1,333 |
6q49g6 | 357 | Back to the Future 10 years 11 months and 26 days ago Elon shared with us the [Master Plan](https: www.tesla.com blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me). It began with the Tesla Roadster and not long after a soon-to-be crashing market. Where Tesla perservered and battery technology hit a pivotal point where it could be proven as a viable solution for transportation. All that was needed was the proof that Electric cars *could be cool* and to show people what they really could be. Despite delays across the board we were eventually given the next iterations of Tesla s vision as promised the Model S and Model X. They worked through ups and downs in production while growing at an insane rate all the while learning how to become a brand new car manufacturer from the ground up. It wasn t without hiccups and problems along the way (whether admitted or not). Tesla has purposefully not followed the pack and has been fighting tooth and nail to show the world that innovation prevails. And tonight we will be shown the vehicle that Tesla has been working towards for so long and most importantly on time. The ramp will be slow but this is where it matters the most. I wanted to say thank you to the community for sticking through hoping for the best discussing even the negative things and being okay with a company that does things a [little differently](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Ku5ZjRKCNEk) despite the hiccups along the way. I know that Tesla themselves has closely watched us grow and I think I speak for the whole Mod team when we say thank you (to the users) and Tesla for making this sub for what it is today. So with that in less than 12 hours the event will start and we will be opening up multiple megathreads to discuss all the little details of the Model 3 for the event. A decade plus in the making. Don t tell anyone. | I m not crying. You re crying. | Proud to have joined this journey last year - I ve been hooked ever since. Upwards and onwards towards the EV future! | 90 | 4 | 1,334 |
6q49g6 | 357 | Back to the Future 10 years 11 months and 26 days ago Elon shared with us the [Master Plan](https: www.tesla.com blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me). It began with the Tesla Roadster and not long after a soon-to-be crashing market. Where Tesla perservered and battery technology hit a pivotal point where it could be proven as a viable solution for transportation. All that was needed was the proof that Electric cars *could be cool* and to show people what they really could be. Despite delays across the board we were eventually given the next iterations of Tesla s vision as promised the Model S and Model X. They worked through ups and downs in production while growing at an insane rate all the while learning how to become a brand new car manufacturer from the ground up. It wasn t without hiccups and problems along the way (whether admitted or not). Tesla has purposefully not followed the pack and has been fighting tooth and nail to show the world that innovation prevails. And tonight we will be shown the vehicle that Tesla has been working towards for so long and most importantly on time. The ramp will be slow but this is where it matters the most. I wanted to say thank you to the community for sticking through hoping for the best discussing even the negative things and being okay with a company that does things a [little differently](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Ku5ZjRKCNEk) despite the hiccups along the way. I know that Tesla themselves has closely watched us grow and I think I speak for the whole Mod team when we say thank you (to the users) and Tesla for making this sub for what it is today. So with that in less than 12 hours the event will start and we will be opening up multiple megathreads to discuss all the little details of the Model 3 for the event. A decade plus in the making. Don t tell anyone. | I m not crying. You re crying. | Thanks to everyone for being in this community and making it one of the most welcoming I ve ever been a part of. I ll talk to you all during the event. < 3 | 90 | 12 | 1,335 |
6q49g6 | 357 | Back to the Future 10 years 11 months and 26 days ago Elon shared with us the [Master Plan](https: www.tesla.com blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me). It began with the Tesla Roadster and not long after a soon-to-be crashing market. Where Tesla perservered and battery technology hit a pivotal point where it could be proven as a viable solution for transportation. All that was needed was the proof that Electric cars *could be cool* and to show people what they really could be. Despite delays across the board we were eventually given the next iterations of Tesla s vision as promised the Model S and Model X. They worked through ups and downs in production while growing at an insane rate all the while learning how to become a brand new car manufacturer from the ground up. It wasn t without hiccups and problems along the way (whether admitted or not). Tesla has purposefully not followed the pack and has been fighting tooth and nail to show the world that innovation prevails. And tonight we will be shown the vehicle that Tesla has been working towards for so long and most importantly on time. The ramp will be slow but this is where it matters the most. I wanted to say thank you to the community for sticking through hoping for the best discussing even the negative things and being okay with a company that does things a [little differently](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Ku5ZjRKCNEk) despite the hiccups along the way. I know that Tesla themselves has closely watched us grow and I think I speak for the whole Mod team when we say thank you (to the users) and Tesla for making this sub for what it is today. So with that in less than 12 hours the event will start and we will be opening up multiple megathreads to discuss all the little details of the Model 3 for the event. A decade plus in the making. Don t tell anyone. | I m not crying. You re crying. | Might as well open up the HUD mega thread now. P.S: I m sorry. Just had to get one more in for the road | 90 | 33 | 1,336 |
6q8cy5 | 133 | Model 3 Interior Megathread ##Welcome to the Model 3 **Interior** Megathread! Please posts questions and commentary in relation to this topic here. Please **Report** if someone is breaking a rule. We will have a zero tolerance policy during the event. Thanks! | The fact that the event is *over* and the Interior Megathread currently only has 21 comments says a lot about the event. It s not like this sub lacks enthusiasm about emerging Model 3 details. | Wonder if the display will tilt swivel at all... | 66 | 4 | 1,337 |
6q8cy5 | 133 | Model 3 Interior Megathread ##Welcome to the Model 3 **Interior** Megathread! Please posts questions and commentary in relation to this topic here. Please **Report** if someone is breaking a rule. We will have a zero tolerance policy during the event. Thanks! | The fact that the event is *over* and the Interior Megathread currently only has 21 comments says a lot about the event. It s not like this sub lacks enthusiasm about emerging Model 3 details. | I always wanted a HUD until I actually used one. I thought it was gimmicky and kind of useless. | 66 | 5 | 1,338 |
6q8cy5 | 133 | Model 3 Interior Megathread ##Welcome to the Model 3 **Interior** Megathread! Please posts questions and commentary in relation to this topic here. Please **Report** if someone is breaking a rule. We will have a zero tolerance policy during the event. Thanks! | The fact that the event is *over* and the Interior Megathread currently only has 21 comments says a lot about the event. It s not like this sub lacks enthusiasm about emerging Model 3 details. | Crossing my fingers for cup holders. ^^Keeping ^^my ^^expectations ^^low. | 66 | 8 | 1,339 |
6q8d3r | 230 | Model 3 Specs Pricing and Options Megathread ##Welcome to the Model 3 **Specs Pricing and Options** Megathread! Please posts questions and commentary in relation to this topic here. Please **Report** if someone is breaking a rule. We will have a zero tolerance policy during the event. Thanks! | Also what an awful presentation. Downvote me but you know it was horrible. Where is the god damn product? Not even a close-up shot of the car. Wtf.. | Rate the presentation from 1 to 10. | 138 | 2 | 1,340 |
6q8d3r | 230 | Model 3 Specs Pricing and Options Megathread ##Welcome to the Model 3 **Specs Pricing and Options** Megathread! Please posts questions and commentary in relation to this topic here. Please **Report** if someone is breaking a rule. We will have a zero tolerance policy during the event. Thanks! | Also what an awful presentation. Downvote me but you know it was horrible. Where is the god damn product? Not even a close-up shot of the car. Wtf.. | Are first deliveries the bigger battery? I forget | 138 | 2 | 1,341 |
6q8d3r | 230 | Model 3 Specs Pricing and Options Megathread ##Welcome to the Model 3 **Specs Pricing and Options** Megathread! Please posts questions and commentary in relation to this topic here. Please **Report** if someone is breaking a rule. We will have a zero tolerance policy during the event. Thanks! | Also what an awful presentation. Downvote me but you know it was horrible. Where is the god damn product? Not even a close-up shot of the car. Wtf.. | What does the standard AP do? | 138 | 2 | 1,342 |
6q8dav | 520 | Tesla Model 3 Event Megathread! ##Welcome to Model 3 s **Part 3** Event Megathread! **Event Start Time: 7pm PT** **Remarks Start Time: 9pm PT** **Timezones:** 9pm Pacific 12am Eastern 0400 Zulu [Click here to determine your local time](https: www.timeanddate.com worldclock fixedtime.html?msg=Model+3+Reveal& iso=20170728T2045& p1=822& ah=2) ----- * [**Official Live Stream Page**](https: livestream.tesla.com ?redirect=no) - **Submit info to start stream**. Reservation not required. * [Tesla Motors YouTube Channel](https: www.youtube.com user TeslaMotors featured) * [Model 3 Page](https: www.tesla.com model3?redirect=no) * [Model 3 Reservation Page](https: www.tesla.com model3 reserve?redirect=no) * [Album w Updated Pics from the event](http: imgur.com a socyu) ----- We have made separate topic-specific megathreads for different areas around Model 3. Instead of making a new post please post a comment or link to discuss in one of the following threads. They are sorted by New to follow along with the stream. You can sort by Top as you wish. * [Reddit Stream of this Post](https: www.reddit-stream.com comments 6q8dav ) * [**All Megathreads in New**](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors new ) or [Model 3 Event posts only](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?sort=new& restrict_sr=on& q=flair%3AModel%2B3%2BEvent) * [Model 3 Questions Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8ctp model_3_questions_megathread ) * [Model 3 Interior Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8cy5 model_3_interior_megathread ) * [Model 3 Exterior Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8d11 model_3_exterior_megathread ) * [Model 3 Specs Pricing and Options Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8d3r model_3_specs_pricing_and_options_megathread ) * [Model 3 Investing Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8d6j model_3_investing_thread ) * [Original Model 3 FAQ Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6maygo model_3_faq_thread_please_post_all_questions ) ----- **Note:** Posts will be limited on the sub for a 12-24 hour period after the event starts. Comments (and links in comments are free game). Message the Mods if there is a particularly good article or link and we will review it on case-by-case basis. We went this route because we took feedback from the community from when a past user created many posts to discuss the Model 3 components and we didn t handle it as the community wanted. We understand some folks won t be happy but we are short on coverage but we also will be reviewing and approving some posts so we appreciate your understanding. It s going to be a crazy night! :) ----- **Discord Chat** Check out our Discord Chat channels. The Discord has its own set of rules so please be considerate of those. Familiarize yourself and join in! * [Rules and Tips Channel](https: discord.gg 7WuEqAW) - These differ from r TeslaMotors Rules. * [**Model 3 Megathread Channel**](https: discord.gg kPUQAFA) * [Model 3 Bingo Card made by Discord users](http: mfbc.us m wfp5zy) ----- Last but not least please **Report** if someone is breaking a rule. We will have a zero tolerance policy on trolling during the event. **Other than that HAVE FUN!** **P.S.** - At 9pm Pacific Time we will have special guest posting photos videos to r TeslaMotors from behind-the-scenes at the event. So keep an eye out for those ) ##**[Model 3 Press Kit](https: www.tesla.com presskit#model3)** | That s it? :-( Wanted more details | Can t wait! | 156 | 2 | 1,343 |
6q8dav | 520 | Tesla Model 3 Event Megathread! ##Welcome to Model 3 s **Part 3** Event Megathread! **Event Start Time: 7pm PT** **Remarks Start Time: 9pm PT** **Timezones:** 9pm Pacific 12am Eastern 0400 Zulu [Click here to determine your local time](https: www.timeanddate.com worldclock fixedtime.html?msg=Model+3+Reveal& iso=20170728T2045& p1=822& ah=2) ----- * [**Official Live Stream Page**](https: livestream.tesla.com ?redirect=no) - **Submit info to start stream**. Reservation not required. * [Tesla Motors YouTube Channel](https: www.youtube.com user TeslaMotors featured) * [Model 3 Page](https: www.tesla.com model3?redirect=no) * [Model 3 Reservation Page](https: www.tesla.com model3 reserve?redirect=no) * [Album w Updated Pics from the event](http: imgur.com a socyu) ----- We have made separate topic-specific megathreads for different areas around Model 3. Instead of making a new post please post a comment or link to discuss in one of the following threads. They are sorted by New to follow along with the stream. You can sort by Top as you wish. * [Reddit Stream of this Post](https: www.reddit-stream.com comments 6q8dav ) * [**All Megathreads in New**](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors new ) or [Model 3 Event posts only](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?sort=new& restrict_sr=on& q=flair%3AModel%2B3%2BEvent) * [Model 3 Questions Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8ctp model_3_questions_megathread ) * [Model 3 Interior Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8cy5 model_3_interior_megathread ) * [Model 3 Exterior Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8d11 model_3_exterior_megathread ) * [Model 3 Specs Pricing and Options Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8d3r model_3_specs_pricing_and_options_megathread ) * [Model 3 Investing Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8d6j model_3_investing_thread ) * [Original Model 3 FAQ Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6maygo model_3_faq_thread_please_post_all_questions ) ----- **Note:** Posts will be limited on the sub for a 12-24 hour period after the event starts. Comments (and links in comments are free game). Message the Mods if there is a particularly good article or link and we will review it on case-by-case basis. We went this route because we took feedback from the community from when a past user created many posts to discuss the Model 3 components and we didn t handle it as the community wanted. We understand some folks won t be happy but we are short on coverage but we also will be reviewing and approving some posts so we appreciate your understanding. It s going to be a crazy night! :) ----- **Discord Chat** Check out our Discord Chat channels. The Discord has its own set of rules so please be considerate of those. Familiarize yourself and join in! * [Rules and Tips Channel](https: discord.gg 7WuEqAW) - These differ from r TeslaMotors Rules. * [**Model 3 Megathread Channel**](https: discord.gg kPUQAFA) * [Model 3 Bingo Card made by Discord users](http: mfbc.us m wfp5zy) ----- Last but not least please **Report** if someone is breaking a rule. We will have a zero tolerance policy on trolling during the event. **Other than that HAVE FUN!** **P.S.** - At 9pm Pacific Time we will have special guest posting photos videos to r TeslaMotors from behind-the-scenes at the event. So keep an eye out for those ) ##**[Model 3 Press Kit](https: www.tesla.com presskit#model3)** | That s it? :-( Wanted more details | Its ridiculous how excited I am for this. Model 3 and Falcon Heavy are going to be my highlights for the whole year! Also [time zone map](http: imgur.com a dAP1Y) cause I keep double checking it anyways. I figure others are too. | 156 | 2 | 1,344 |
6q8dav | 520 | Tesla Model 3 Event Megathread! ##Welcome to Model 3 s **Part 3** Event Megathread! **Event Start Time: 7pm PT** **Remarks Start Time: 9pm PT** **Timezones:** 9pm Pacific 12am Eastern 0400 Zulu [Click here to determine your local time](https: www.timeanddate.com worldclock fixedtime.html?msg=Model+3+Reveal& iso=20170728T2045& p1=822& ah=2) ----- * [**Official Live Stream Page**](https: livestream.tesla.com ?redirect=no) - **Submit info to start stream**. Reservation not required. * [Tesla Motors YouTube Channel](https: www.youtube.com user TeslaMotors featured) * [Model 3 Page](https: www.tesla.com model3?redirect=no) * [Model 3 Reservation Page](https: www.tesla.com model3 reserve?redirect=no) * [Album w Updated Pics from the event](http: imgur.com a socyu) ----- We have made separate topic-specific megathreads for different areas around Model 3. Instead of making a new post please post a comment or link to discuss in one of the following threads. They are sorted by New to follow along with the stream. You can sort by Top as you wish. * [Reddit Stream of this Post](https: www.reddit-stream.com comments 6q8dav ) * [**All Megathreads in New**](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors new ) or [Model 3 Event posts only](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?sort=new& restrict_sr=on& q=flair%3AModel%2B3%2BEvent) * [Model 3 Questions Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8ctp model_3_questions_megathread ) * [Model 3 Interior Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8cy5 model_3_interior_megathread ) * [Model 3 Exterior Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8d11 model_3_exterior_megathread ) * [Model 3 Specs Pricing and Options Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8d3r model_3_specs_pricing_and_options_megathread ) * [Model 3 Investing Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6q8d6j model_3_investing_thread ) * [Original Model 3 FAQ Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6maygo model_3_faq_thread_please_post_all_questions ) ----- **Note:** Posts will be limited on the sub for a 12-24 hour period after the event starts. Comments (and links in comments are free game). Message the Mods if there is a particularly good article or link and we will review it on case-by-case basis. We went this route because we took feedback from the community from when a past user created many posts to discuss the Model 3 components and we didn t handle it as the community wanted. We understand some folks won t be happy but we are short on coverage but we also will be reviewing and approving some posts so we appreciate your understanding. It s going to be a crazy night! :) ----- **Discord Chat** Check out our Discord Chat channels. The Discord has its own set of rules so please be considerate of those. Familiarize yourself and join in! * [Rules and Tips Channel](https: discord.gg 7WuEqAW) - These differ from r TeslaMotors Rules. * [**Model 3 Megathread Channel**](https: discord.gg kPUQAFA) * [Model 3 Bingo Card made by Discord users](http: mfbc.us m wfp5zy) ----- Last but not least please **Report** if someone is breaking a rule. We will have a zero tolerance policy on trolling during the event. **Other than that HAVE FUN!** **P.S.** - At 9pm Pacific Time we will have special guest posting photos videos to r TeslaMotors from behind-the-scenes at the event. So keep an eye out for those ) ##**[Model 3 Press Kit](https: www.tesla.com presskit#model3)** | That s it? :-( Wanted more details | I can t wait! From central Europe and at this point I ve decided to just keep going till the sun comes up. This event is worth it! | 156 | 2 | 1,345 |
6q95mg | 177 | For those of you who wanted Elon to discuss more Model 3 features You have to remember they have over half a million reservations already. There is ZERO benefit to hyping the Model 3 as it will be a long time until they can fulfill demand. In the meantime they must keep selling Model S and X. Talking about cool new features will further cannibalize sales of those vehicles which they can build and deliver today. Cut Elon some slack he did the right thing for the company. | Considering all the hype on this sub I was expecting an Apple-esque presentation. I hate to say it but the event we just witnessed was honestly a waste of time. | 100% agree. I loved the stream. Everyone disappointed you have your selves to blame for getting so hyped up. Did no one notice all the employees in front of the stage? | 182 | 3 | 1,346 |
6q95mg | 177 | For those of you who wanted Elon to discuss more Model 3 features You have to remember they have over half a million reservations already. There is ZERO benefit to hyping the Model 3 as it will be a long time until they can fulfill demand. In the meantime they must keep selling Model S and X. Talking about cool new features will further cannibalize sales of those vehicles which they can build and deliver today. Cut Elon some slack he did the right thing for the company. | Considering all the hype on this sub I was expecting an Apple-esque presentation. I hate to say it but the event we just witnessed was honestly a waste of time. | But.... Come on dammit | 182 | 5 | 1,347 |
6q95mg | 177 | For those of you who wanted Elon to discuss more Model 3 features You have to remember they have over half a million reservations already. There is ZERO benefit to hyping the Model 3 as it will be a long time until they can fulfill demand. In the meantime they must keep selling Model S and X. Talking about cool new features will further cannibalize sales of those vehicles which they can build and deliver today. Cut Elon some slack he did the right thing for the company. | Considering all the hype on this sub I was expecting an Apple-esque presentation. I hate to say it but the event we just witnessed was honestly a waste of time. | Just stop. You sound ridiculous. | 182 | 6 | 1,348 |
6qaq93 | 1,638 | Let s be real: A 310 mile EV for $44 000 is INSANELY impressive. I know emotions are running high but after sleeping on it for a night I m back to being hyped for Model 3. The premium interior is beautiful (based on videos at the event) and 310 mile range with supercharger access makes the Model 3 a true cross-country no compromises car. My only holdup is that there should be an interior package between Base and Premium that gives simple features like power front seats and front seat heaters. | I feel like a leper saying this but... The model 3 is still (probably) a great car. All test drive press reviews are glowing. And to the person giving up their reservation for a BMW: sounds great until that costs you around $14 000 (where I live) over the lifespan of the vehicle. For that price get the premium package and the upgraded battery or any of the other options. You end up with a car that is equally priced over their lifetime and then it s a classic ev vs gas debate. Charging at home quicker acceleration better handling and a clean conscience win that battle any day of the week. | Personally the bigger issue is the performance package that ropes in the glass roof... I definitely don t care for any of the other features in that package aside from that and wish Tesla would allow us to choose a roof separately just like they did on the S X. I don t mind the rest of the bundling since that s also what they re doing with the S X. | 302 | 26 | 1,349 |
6qaq93 | 1,638 | Let s be real: A 310 mile EV for $44 000 is INSANELY impressive. I know emotions are running high but after sleeping on it for a night I m back to being hyped for Model 3. The premium interior is beautiful (based on videos at the event) and 310 mile range with supercharger access makes the Model 3 a true cross-country no compromises car. My only holdup is that there should be an interior package between Base and Premium that gives simple features like power front seats and front seat heaters. | I feel like a leper saying this but... The model 3 is still (probably) a great car. All test drive press reviews are glowing. And to the person giving up their reservation for a BMW: sounds great until that costs you around $14 000 (where I live) over the lifespan of the vehicle. For that price get the premium package and the upgraded battery or any of the other options. You end up with a car that is equally priced over their lifetime and then it s a classic ev vs gas debate. Charging at home quicker acceleration better handling and a clean conscience win that battle any day of the week. | Finally someone said it. I remember seeing a thread of someone disappointed because the Hyundai EV Ioniq has some of the premium features standard and costs around $30k. Well it doesn t have access to a supercharger network doesn t have an Autopilot sensor suite doesn t have 300 mile range amongst many other features. A few months back I saw a thread where people were logically discussing what the price of a Model 3 will amount to with the additional features and it was around $40-45k (before incentives). For that price you still get good mileage premium and Autopilot. | 302 | 90 | 1,350 |
6qaq93 | 1,638 | Let s be real: A 310 mile EV for $44 000 is INSANELY impressive. I know emotions are running high but after sleeping on it for a night I m back to being hyped for Model 3. The premium interior is beautiful (based on videos at the event) and 310 mile range with supercharger access makes the Model 3 a true cross-country no compromises car. My only holdup is that there should be an interior package between Base and Premium that gives simple features like power front seats and front seat heaters. | I test rode it last night. Let me tell you it s a fantastic car. I m 6 4” sat on the back and still had at least 5” between my head and the glass. Tons of leg space too. This thing is SPACIOUS. I test rode the Model S as well (cause why not it went on their test track!) I also sat on the back and my head almost touched the glass. My biggest complaint with the Model S is the responsiveness of the screen. I mean holy god dragging maps around on my phone is buttery smooth for crying out loud. The Model S maps is soooo laggy. Model 3 maps? Just like an iPhone. Buttery smooth. No lag. It s beautiful. That screen is amazing. I didn t sit in the front so I didn t play with it myself. But I asked the guy sitting in front to pan rotate and zoom the map fast and it just responded beautifully. The car is SMOOTH! The ride is very smooth. The turning radius seems much *better* than the Model S but I can t confirm that. The door handles will have a learning curve for newbies and guests. But it feels really good. Feels solid and polished. Seats are very comfortable. The air vent control through software is actually REALLY cool. I thought I was torn about color before. Now I have no fucking clue which color I m gonna get cause all of them looked amazing. Edit: a word. | no doubt. prices are pretty much spot on what was promised for basemodel and with the 310 option this is a great car. id like some more options too but i guess that will come in time. im in europe so it seems my delivery is at least one year in the future so hopefully some more choises will be added. if not ill go for big battery and premium. autopilot will have to wait a bit unfortunately. it will still be a great car i cant wait to drive! | 136 | 2 | 1,351 |
6qbfki | 369 | Tesla Model 3 vs BMW 3 Series I am not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination but think that some of the vitriol in the community was a bit exaggerated yesterday - not because of what Tesla did or did not do but because certain (unrealistic?) expectations were not met. After some of the negativity & disappointment from last night (much of which I still don t understand) I decided to create a comparison to show how the Model 3 stands up to its biggest class-competitor the BMW 3 Series. | BMW 320i | Model 3 Base | BMW 340i | Model 3 LR w Prem Upg ---|---|----|----|---- **Price** | $33 450 | $35 000 | $47 900 | $49 000 ($44+$5PUP) **0-60** | 7.1s | 5.6s | 4.8s | 5.1s **Seats** | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 **Interior** | Vinyl w Manual Adjustment | Fabric w Manual Adjustment | Vinyl w Power Adjustment | Synthetic Leather with Power Adjustment **Optional Metalic Paint** | $700 | $1 000 | $700 | $1 000 **Top Speed** | 130mph | 130mph | 155mph | 140mph You can see here that the cars are extremely similar in pricing performance and features. The thing to keep in mind is that the Tesla is a significantly more technologically advanced car. My concern (which may be an unpopular opinion) is that many disappointed with the information released are not familiar with entry-level luxury cars like the Model 3. Just as the $33 450 BMW is the Bimmer for the masses the Model 3 is the EV for the masses. Additionally while BMW allows for greater customization through hundreds of options Tesla bundles to streamline manufacturing efficiency to control costs. When you look at apples to apples the pricing for Tesla s bundles are well in line with similarly optioned vehicles from BMW. With the exception of 310 miles of range (I expected 250-275) for the LR variant there were really no surprises for me in terms of features & pricing. Tesla delivered on every promise it made to reservation holders a year and a half ago - and for them to accomplish that is something that we should all be happy about. I am more than happy with the information & pricing that was released yesterday and I look forward to my delivery date. | It s the same old story so I don t know why people are seeing it differently for a Tesla... A maxed out Honda Civic will net you more options than a partially optioned Honda Accord for the same price...but the Accord will feel nicer to sit in. A maxed out Honda Accord will net you more options than a partially optioned BMW Audi Lexus Mercedes Entry Car...but the latter will feel nicer to sit in. A maxed out BMW 3 will net you more options than a partially optioned BMW 4 5 etc...the cycle repeats. A maxed out Model 3 will net you more options than a partially optioned Model S...but the Model S will feel nicer and better to sit in. | Dear Beamer sales rep: | 114 | 3 | 1,352 |
6qbfki | 369 | Tesla Model 3 vs BMW 3 Series I am not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination but think that some of the vitriol in the community was a bit exaggerated yesterday - not because of what Tesla did or did not do but because certain (unrealistic?) expectations were not met. After some of the negativity & disappointment from last night (much of which I still don t understand) I decided to create a comparison to show how the Model 3 stands up to its biggest class-competitor the BMW 3 Series. | BMW 320i | Model 3 Base | BMW 340i | Model 3 LR w Prem Upg ---|---|----|----|---- **Price** | $33 450 | $35 000 | $47 900 | $49 000 ($44+$5PUP) **0-60** | 7.1s | 5.6s | 4.8s | 5.1s **Seats** | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 **Interior** | Vinyl w Manual Adjustment | Fabric w Manual Adjustment | Vinyl w Power Adjustment | Synthetic Leather with Power Adjustment **Optional Metalic Paint** | $700 | $1 000 | $700 | $1 000 **Top Speed** | 130mph | 130mph | 155mph | 140mph You can see here that the cars are extremely similar in pricing performance and features. The thing to keep in mind is that the Tesla is a significantly more technologically advanced car. My concern (which may be an unpopular opinion) is that many disappointed with the information released are not familiar with entry-level luxury cars like the Model 3. Just as the $33 450 BMW is the Bimmer for the masses the Model 3 is the EV for the masses. Additionally while BMW allows for greater customization through hundreds of options Tesla bundles to streamline manufacturing efficiency to control costs. When you look at apples to apples the pricing for Tesla s bundles are well in line with similarly optioned vehicles from BMW. With the exception of 310 miles of range (I expected 250-275) for the LR variant there were really no surprises for me in terms of features & pricing. Tesla delivered on every promise it made to reservation holders a year and a half ago - and for them to accomplish that is something that we should all be happy about. I am more than happy with the information & pricing that was released yesterday and I look forward to my delivery date. | It s the same old story so I don t know why people are seeing it differently for a Tesla... A maxed out Honda Civic will net you more options than a partially optioned Honda Accord for the same price...but the Accord will feel nicer to sit in. A maxed out Honda Accord will net you more options than a partially optioned BMW Audi Lexus Mercedes Entry Car...but the latter will feel nicer to sit in. A maxed out BMW 3 will net you more options than a partially optioned BMW 4 5 etc...the cycle repeats. A maxed out Model 3 will net you more options than a partially optioned Model S...but the Model S will feel nicer and better to sit in. | I d also like to add.. This is before tax breaks so depending on where you live and when you get the car it might be significantly cheaper than a 3 series. I don t quite understand what people are going on about. I understand that the event yesterday was over hyped. But who hyped it up? I think it was mainly us! But really the Model 3 is everything we were told it would be $35k for the base model at least 215 Miles of range and comparable in pricing to a 3 series. Honestly I think this will still be a huge success. 3 series are a dime a dozen meaning that this price point is viable for many people. | 114 | 3 | 1,353 |
6qbfki | 369 | Tesla Model 3 vs BMW 3 Series I am not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination but think that some of the vitriol in the community was a bit exaggerated yesterday - not because of what Tesla did or did not do but because certain (unrealistic?) expectations were not met. After some of the negativity & disappointment from last night (much of which I still don t understand) I decided to create a comparison to show how the Model 3 stands up to its biggest class-competitor the BMW 3 Series. | BMW 320i | Model 3 Base | BMW 340i | Model 3 LR w Prem Upg ---|---|----|----|---- **Price** | $33 450 | $35 000 | $47 900 | $49 000 ($44+$5PUP) **0-60** | 7.1s | 5.6s | 4.8s | 5.1s **Seats** | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 **Interior** | Vinyl w Manual Adjustment | Fabric w Manual Adjustment | Vinyl w Power Adjustment | Synthetic Leather with Power Adjustment **Optional Metalic Paint** | $700 | $1 000 | $700 | $1 000 **Top Speed** | 130mph | 130mph | 155mph | 140mph You can see here that the cars are extremely similar in pricing performance and features. The thing to keep in mind is that the Tesla is a significantly more technologically advanced car. My concern (which may be an unpopular opinion) is that many disappointed with the information released are not familiar with entry-level luxury cars like the Model 3. Just as the $33 450 BMW is the Bimmer for the masses the Model 3 is the EV for the masses. Additionally while BMW allows for greater customization through hundreds of options Tesla bundles to streamline manufacturing efficiency to control costs. When you look at apples to apples the pricing for Tesla s bundles are well in line with similarly optioned vehicles from BMW. With the exception of 310 miles of range (I expected 250-275) for the LR variant there were really no surprises for me in terms of features & pricing. Tesla delivered on every promise it made to reservation holders a year and a half ago - and for them to accomplish that is something that we should all be happy about. I am more than happy with the information & pricing that was released yesterday and I look forward to my delivery date. | It s the same old story so I don t know why people are seeing it differently for a Tesla... A maxed out Honda Civic will net you more options than a partially optioned Honda Accord for the same price...but the Accord will feel nicer to sit in. A maxed out Honda Accord will net you more options than a partially optioned BMW Audi Lexus Mercedes Entry Car...but the latter will feel nicer to sit in. A maxed out BMW 3 will net you more options than a partially optioned BMW 4 5 etc...the cycle repeats. A maxed out Model 3 will net you more options than a partially optioned Model S...but the Model S will feel nicer and better to sit in. | Thanks for doing this. I think in my head I was not giving proper weight to the numbers. Like.. yea that s only 45k! Oh wait now that it s here holy cow that s $45k! This makes me look at it and say this is a primary family driver sort of car. Our fusion was about the same price as the base model 4 years ago and gets 35mpg. We d be looking at replacing that instead of my mini. | 114 | 6 | 1,354 |
6qbj46 | 139 | Model 3 is prices to reduce demand to just over 500K cars year People are griping about the pricing of the Model 3 and whether the long-range with everything option is truly mass market . You re looking at this wrong. Tesla can only make 500K Model 3s per year with current factories. It makes no sense for them to price the car such that there will be x3 times the demand they are capable of meeting. In other words Tesla is again supply constrained and pricing high accordingly. They will use the extra money to build 2-3 new gigafactory Fremont combos (Chine Europe and maybe a second one in the US) and increase the supply. By the time the new factories are ready the cost of batteries should drop another 20% and the Model 3 can be brought down in price. Tesla is interested is speeding up the transition to sustainable transportation. This means making as many cars as possible as fast as possible. Which means building more gigafactories as fast as possible. And for that they need money. Lots of it. | ITT people learn how capitalism works. | Also right now Tesla is still anti-selling the 3. So yes they are prioritizing the highest priced 3 right now and trying to make the Model S X as attractive as possible. | 61 | 9 | 1,355 |
6qbj46 | 139 | Model 3 is prices to reduce demand to just over 500K cars year People are griping about the pricing of the Model 3 and whether the long-range with everything option is truly mass market . You re looking at this wrong. Tesla can only make 500K Model 3s per year with current factories. It makes no sense for them to price the car such that there will be x3 times the demand they are capable of meeting. In other words Tesla is again supply constrained and pricing high accordingly. They will use the extra money to build 2-3 new gigafactory Fremont combos (Chine Europe and maybe a second one in the US) and increase the supply. By the time the new factories are ready the cost of batteries should drop another 20% and the Model 3 can be brought down in price. Tesla is interested is speeding up the transition to sustainable transportation. This means making as many cars as possible as fast as possible. Which means building more gigafactories as fast as possible. And for that they need money. Lots of it. | ITT people learn how capitalism works. | I would expect to see the model s and x to receive some more luxury upgrades and extended range in the next year or two when the model 3 is more able to keep up with demand. They ll probably roll some features down to the base model from the premium and add more luxury too the premium. I d expect the prices to remain the same though. We ll probably see a new model after the y and roadster that s a budget compact hatch to compete with the Honda fit Chevy Sonic mini Cooper etc | 61 | 12 | 1,356 |
6qbj46 | 139 | Model 3 is prices to reduce demand to just over 500K cars year People are griping about the pricing of the Model 3 and whether the long-range with everything option is truly mass market . You re looking at this wrong. Tesla can only make 500K Model 3s per year with current factories. It makes no sense for them to price the car such that there will be x3 times the demand they are capable of meeting. In other words Tesla is again supply constrained and pricing high accordingly. They will use the extra money to build 2-3 new gigafactory Fremont combos (Chine Europe and maybe a second one in the US) and increase the supply. By the time the new factories are ready the cost of batteries should drop another 20% and the Model 3 can be brought down in price. Tesla is interested is speeding up the transition to sustainable transportation. This means making as many cars as possible as fast as possible. Which means building more gigafactories as fast as possible. And for that they need money. Lots of it. | ITT people learn how capitalism works. | Is this speculation or insider information? Because the Model S X historically only got more and more expensive over the years. If the Model 3 follows that (which so far every single component of an option upgrade has followed the S X) it s only going to get more expensive. With the options available at base model $35k isn t worth it. With options added it s still not worth it considering how much everything costs. This is NOT a mass market car. This is a cheaper car for the rich. | 61 | 20 | 1,357 |
6qbn0u | 409 | This is going to be an unpopular opinion but... ...I saw it coming months ago. Lots of Model 3 reservation holders were expecting something close to or even topping a Model S. Seriously? For less than half of the money expecting the same features a Model S offers? The presentation left me disappointed too I ll give you that. But that was more because of the presentation itself which is clearly something Tesla should work on and will still be learning. But I think the mostly self-caused IMHO hype (HUD huge batteries FSD standard etc.) is why a lot of reservation holders are so disappointed right now. I see a lot of reservation holders still hyped and pumped and I m glad for them they clearly understood what was to be expected and realistic. For those cancelling I m very sorry Tesla is a great company and it s really awesome driving one. You re missing out. Maybe reconsider your cancellation look back at the past few months and try to see where and why your expectations got so (unrealistically) high and put things into perspective. The Model 3 is still a sweet sweet ride and has _lots_ to offer. Yes you might have to pay a little extra to get that one feature you really had your heart set on and yes you might have to give up on that other feature because of budgetary reasons. But considering all things for me it s only the presentation that lacked a little. The Model 3 was and is exactly what I expected it to be. | I think it makes sense to price Autopilot the same as they ask for S and X buyers. The software cost for development is the same no matter what hardware you put it on. | OK I ve reconsidered canceling and it turns out I still don t have $60000. Also even in a dream world where everything was included for $35k the warranty would still be over before the loan was paid off. Those aren t pie-in-the-sky HUD expectations — I m disappointed the car is unaffordable for me (I took Elon s stated average purchase price at face value) and you re basically SOL if there turn out to be problems down the road. | 154 | 24 | 1,358 |
6qbn0u | 409 | This is going to be an unpopular opinion but... ...I saw it coming months ago. Lots of Model 3 reservation holders were expecting something close to or even topping a Model S. Seriously? For less than half of the money expecting the same features a Model S offers? The presentation left me disappointed too I ll give you that. But that was more because of the presentation itself which is clearly something Tesla should work on and will still be learning. But I think the mostly self-caused IMHO hype (HUD huge batteries FSD standard etc.) is why a lot of reservation holders are so disappointed right now. I see a lot of reservation holders still hyped and pumped and I m glad for them they clearly understood what was to be expected and realistic. For those cancelling I m very sorry Tesla is a great company and it s really awesome driving one. You re missing out. Maybe reconsider your cancellation look back at the past few months and try to see where and why your expectations got so (unrealistically) high and put things into perspective. The Model 3 is still a sweet sweet ride and has _lots_ to offer. Yes you might have to pay a little extra to get that one feature you really had your heart set on and yes you might have to give up on that other feature because of budgetary reasons. But considering all things for me it s only the presentation that lacked a little. The Model 3 was and is exactly what I expected it to be. | I think it makes sense to price Autopilot the same as they ask for S and X buyers. The software cost for development is the same no matter what hardware you put it on. | For the most part the reveal went as expected for me. The only things that really caught me off guard were the only 2 battery options and the warranty. I know it was foolish but I was hoping for a 3rd in between battery option and I am definitely bummed about how badly they butchered the vehicle and battery warranties. I am not swayed enough to cancel but it is definitely more of a decision than I was originally planning on : | 154 | 48 | 1,359 |
6qbn0u | 409 | This is going to be an unpopular opinion but... ...I saw it coming months ago. Lots of Model 3 reservation holders were expecting something close to or even topping a Model S. Seriously? For less than half of the money expecting the same features a Model S offers? The presentation left me disappointed too I ll give you that. But that was more because of the presentation itself which is clearly something Tesla should work on and will still be learning. But I think the mostly self-caused IMHO hype (HUD huge batteries FSD standard etc.) is why a lot of reservation holders are so disappointed right now. I see a lot of reservation holders still hyped and pumped and I m glad for them they clearly understood what was to be expected and realistic. For those cancelling I m very sorry Tesla is a great company and it s really awesome driving one. You re missing out. Maybe reconsider your cancellation look back at the past few months and try to see where and why your expectations got so (unrealistically) high and put things into perspective. The Model 3 is still a sweet sweet ride and has _lots_ to offer. Yes you might have to pay a little extra to get that one feature you really had your heart set on and yes you might have to give up on that other feature because of budgetary reasons. But considering all things for me it s only the presentation that lacked a little. The Model 3 was and is exactly what I expected it to be. | Wasn t expecting a model S for 35k but some of these pricing options irked me. 1K for a different color 1.5k to change out of those butt ugly aero wheels need to pay 5k for leather on a 35k entry level luxury car . I hope they succeed and hit their production targets but I think I ll wait for BMW Audi MB to release their fully electric cars in the next few years. Or maybe Tesla will be on par with those manufacturers then. | If anyone who is disappointed wants to give up their reservation please PM me. | 36 | 2 | 1,360 |
6qc7hg | 109 | While we re all focused on Base v Premium anyone notice that the chassis dynamics of the Model 3 is pretty advanced Double wishbone virtual steer axis front suspension with coil over twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar Independent multi-link rear suspension with twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar Variable ratio speed sensitive electronic power steering Electromechanicallly boosted four wheel anti-lock disc brakes with electronic brake force distribution | [MRW I read that](http: i.imgur.com 8vuviaY.gifv) as someone who s not a gearhead. Can you ELI5 the benefits there? | source? | 60 | 3 | 1,361 |
6qc7hg | 109 | While we re all focused on Base v Premium anyone notice that the chassis dynamics of the Model 3 is pretty advanced Double wishbone virtual steer axis front suspension with coil over twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar Independent multi-link rear suspension with twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar Variable ratio speed sensitive electronic power steering Electromechanicallly boosted four wheel anti-lock disc brakes with electronic brake force distribution | Didn t notice. Seems like a great thing to talk about at a world wide reveal event. | source? | 49 | 3 | 1,362 |
6qc7hg | 109 | While we re all focused on Base v Premium anyone notice that the chassis dynamics of the Model 3 is pretty advanced Double wishbone virtual steer axis front suspension with coil over twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar Independent multi-link rear suspension with twin-tube shock absorbers and stabilizer bar Variable ratio speed sensitive electronic power steering Electromechanicallly boosted four wheel anti-lock disc brakes with electronic brake force distribution | Didn t notice. Seems like a great thing to talk about at a world wide reveal event. | [I recognize some of those words...](https: youtu.be RXJKdh1KZ0w) | 49 | 12 | 1,363 |
6qcj67 | 34 | Finding the first redditor receiving his new Model 3 Now that the official delivery estimator is live (remember: https: 3.tesla.com model3 delivery-estimate) let s see who among us is receiving his her Model 3 first! Just add a comment with your confirmed date. An screenshot is good if you claim to be among the first ones. Maybe makes sense to distinguish between employees (if they have NDA and can t talk openly about it) and regular customers but let s see who is going to be the first! | Sept - Nov 2017 I ll be on here for sure when I receive mine. | Won t be me. I m showing Dec 2017-Feb 2018. | 67 | 2 | 1,364 |
6qcj67 | 34 | Finding the first redditor receiving his new Model 3 Now that the official delivery estimator is live (remember: https: 3.tesla.com model3 delivery-estimate) let s see who among us is receiving his her Model 3 first! Just add a comment with your confirmed date. An screenshot is good if you claim to be among the first ones. Maybe makes sense to distinguish between employees (if they have NDA and can t talk openly about it) and regular customers but let s see who is going to be the first! | Sept - Nov 2017 I ll be on here for sure when I receive mine. | Dec 2018 as day 1 order so definitely not me :( | 67 | 2 | 1,365 |
6qcj67 | 34 | Finding the first redditor receiving his new Model 3 Now that the official delivery estimator is live (remember: https: 3.tesla.com model3 delivery-estimate) let s see who among us is receiving his her Model 3 first! Just add a comment with your confirmed date. An screenshot is good if you claim to be among the first ones. Maybe makes sense to distinguish between employees (if they have NDA and can t talk openly about it) and regular customers but let s see who is going to be the first! | Sept - Nov 2017 I ll be on here for sure when I receive mine. | In my case it s confirmed for November 2017 so NOT among the firsts for sure... | 67 | 8 | 1,366 |
6qcqzw | 218 | Imagine 5 Months From Now... Come January 2018 there s going to be somewhere in the range of 50 000 Model 3 s driving around mostly the west coast. Putting that into perspective 76 000 Model S X were sold last year. You know how you re driving down the road nowadays and you keep seeing Teslas here and there? In just a year s time double that in the US with just the Model 3 sales. We re entering a new era of EV exposure with this and as many news and journalism outlets have stated already: The Model 3 is going to change the automotive world. | The real magic will be a year and five months from now. Take the number of Tesla sightings today and increase it by a factor of 10. | I live in a city of 700 000 with 30 total Teslas. I expect by the end of 2018 that there will be 10x increase in the number of Teslas. So I should see them semi frequently. | 106 | 10 | 1,367 |
6qcqzw | 218 | Imagine 5 Months From Now... Come January 2018 there s going to be somewhere in the range of 50 000 Model 3 s driving around mostly the west coast. Putting that into perspective 76 000 Model S X were sold last year. You know how you re driving down the road nowadays and you keep seeing Teslas here and there? In just a year s time double that in the US with just the Model 3 sales. We re entering a new era of EV exposure with this and as many news and journalism outlets have stated already: The Model 3 is going to change the automotive world. | The real magic will be a year and five months from now. Take the number of Tesla sightings today and increase it by a factor of 10. | Not to mention there will also be more S X s sold during that time as well. I love seeing them all drive around! | 106 | 28 | 1,368 |
6qd9uk | 232 | Just a reminder than the auto oil industry is going to buttfuck this sub with negativity for the next year or so. They want Model 3 to fail. Personally I m going to just avoid this sub. | As an oil and gas geologist currently working on an oil platform I have to say I m ecstatic about Tesla and the Model 3. The Green Revolution has begun like it or not and in a generation or two people in my field will be out of jobs. If I have to retrain so be it. Excited to see where all this goes. | Let s all descend on r realtesla I m sure we ll be more than welcome there when the LOL OIL turns this sub into fake news ^^^ s ^^^EDITED ^^^COS ^^^GRAMMAR ^^^IS ^^^NOT ^^^MY ^^^FIRST ^^^LANGUAGE | 91 | 2 | 1,369 |
6qd9uk | 232 | Just a reminder than the auto oil industry is going to buttfuck this sub with negativity for the next year or so. They want Model 3 to fail. Personally I m going to just avoid this sub. | As an oil and gas geologist currently working on an oil platform I have to say I m ecstatic about Tesla and the Model 3. The Green Revolution has begun like it or not and in a generation or two people in my field will be out of jobs. If I have to retrain so be it. Excited to see where all this goes. | Sure enough... but just a reminder that despite what some might want to believe not every piece of criticism is paid for by the opposition. Sometimes people do genuinely have issues with a decision that Tesla makes and pretending otherwise doesn t do yourself any favors. :) | 91 | 4 | 1,370 |
6qd9uk | 232 | Just a reminder than the auto oil industry is going to buttfuck this sub with negativity for the next year or so. They want Model 3 to fail. Personally I m going to just avoid this sub. | As an oil and gas geologist currently working on an oil platform I have to say I m ecstatic about Tesla and the Model 3. The Green Revolution has begun like it or not and in a generation or two people in my field will be out of jobs. If I have to retrain so be it. Excited to see where all this goes. | You really think the auto oil industry will waste their time on a complicated effort to undermine Tesla in some way? The time to kill them off was 5 - 10 years ago. Too late now. | 91 | 7 | 1,371 |
6qdj1d | 206 | Kim Reynolds of Motor Trend drove the Model 3 and loved it. Some quotes... ...ride is Alfa Giulia (maybe even Quadrifoglio)–firm Nearly-nil body roll? Magic I m telling you. Magic. At speed it gains a laser-alertness I haven t encountered before....2.0-liter Alfa Romeo Giulia...feels like a wet sponge by comparison The Model 3 is so unexpected scalpel-like I m sputtering for adjectives. The steering ratio is quick the effort is light but there s enough light tremble against your fingers to hear the cornering negotiations Source: http: www.motortrend.com cars tesla model-3 2018 exclusive-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review | Is the Model 3 a car or a wine? The language is really fun i like it but I expected to start hearing about a woody flavor fruity overtones and just a hint of nuttiness. | So which model was she driving? LR? SR? | 48 | 2 | 1,372 |
6qdj1d | 206 | Kim Reynolds of Motor Trend drove the Model 3 and loved it. Some quotes... ...ride is Alfa Giulia (maybe even Quadrifoglio)–firm Nearly-nil body roll? Magic I m telling you. Magic. At speed it gains a laser-alertness I haven t encountered before....2.0-liter Alfa Romeo Giulia...feels like a wet sponge by comparison The Model 3 is so unexpected scalpel-like I m sputtering for adjectives. The steering ratio is quick the effort is light but there s enough light tremble against your fingers to hear the cornering negotiations Source: http: www.motortrend.com cars tesla model-3 2018 exclusive-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review | Is the Model 3 a car or a wine? The language is really fun i like it but I expected to start hearing about a woody flavor fruity overtones and just a hint of nuttiness. | Lovin it! | 48 | 2 | 1,373 |
6qdj1d | 206 | Kim Reynolds of Motor Trend drove the Model 3 and loved it. Some quotes... ...ride is Alfa Giulia (maybe even Quadrifoglio)–firm Nearly-nil body roll? Magic I m telling you. Magic. At speed it gains a laser-alertness I haven t encountered before....2.0-liter Alfa Romeo Giulia...feels like a wet sponge by comparison The Model 3 is so unexpected scalpel-like I m sputtering for adjectives. The steering ratio is quick the effort is light but there s enough light tremble against your fingers to hear the cornering negotiations Source: http: www.motortrend.com cars tesla model-3 2018 exclusive-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review | Is the Model 3 a car or a wine? The language is really fun i like it but I expected to start hearing about a woody flavor fruity overtones and just a hint of nuttiness. | Weight distribution is a tad different for the LR. Hopefully it s the same feel for the standard. | 48 | 3 | 1,374 |
6qdqvc | 42 | Tesla Model 3 vs Toyota Camry AKA let s properly understand what this car is This thread is in response to the [BMW 3 series](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6qbfki tesla_model_3_vs_bmw_3_series ) thread explaining how the Model 3 is a great value. Now I don t disagree with the conclusion but the reasoning is a bit disingenuous. If you look at premium versions of true mass market cars from the likes of Toyota Honda etc. that is when value issues start to appear. | Toyota Camry (top spec) | Model 3 Base | Toyota Camry (top spec w options) | Model 3 w Prem Upg w Autopilot ---|---|----|----|---- **Price** | $34 950 | $35 000 | $36 390 | $45 000 ($35+$5PUP+$5AP) **0-60** | < 6 | 5.6s | < 6 | 5.6s **Seats** | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 **Interior** | Leather w power | Fabric w Manual Adjustment | Leather w power | Synthetic Leather with Power Adjustment **Optional Metalic Paint** | $0 | $1 000 | $0 | $1 000 **Glass roof** | Yes | No | Yes | Yes| **Range** | 416| 220 | 416| 220 **Discounts** | Dealer negotiation| Subsidies| Negotiations| Subsidies **HUD** | Yes | memes (no)| Yes | No **360 view** | No | No | Yes | No **Radar Cruise control** | Yes | no | Yes | Super **Autodrive self drive** | no | option | no | option | **Engine**| V6 petrol | Electric | V6 petrol | electric I think it s quite obvious from this that when you compare normal car features the Model 3 is thoroughly outclassed or costs about $10K more. This is where the disappointment about the promise of a mass-market Tesla came from. And that s fine. We shouldn t shove the Model 3 into already traditional markets and expect that it will be competitive. The true value in the car lies in the smart driving features and powerful full-electric drivetrain. We shouldn t bother ourselves too much with trying to reason out comparisons with BMWs or Toyotas or whatnot in their own territory but be happy that a completely new generation of smart EVs are available now at a lower price than ever. | Thanks for making this. I reserved on day one and am still definitely heavily considering getting one but it s absurd how much koolaid a lot of people on this sub are drinking. If Tesla wants to call this a mass market car it s silly to be downvoting a 1:1 comparison with a similar class mass market car. Arguably the Camry is the literal definition of a mass market car. | Camry Hybrid at $33k vs base and the hybrid XLE at $37k vs Premium is probably a more apt comparison. | 31 | 4 | 1,375 |
6qecde | 148 | Post-Event Model 3 FAQ Megathread Please post new questions in this thread. ###**CTRL+F** to find what you re looking for using keywords. Please avoid making a new post if it is not necessary. ###[Pre-Event Model 3 FAQ Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6maygo model_3_faq_thread_please_post_all_questions ) ###[For Incentives and Timing Questions](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6qo7zc incentives_and_timing ) | Does anyone have a good picture of the rear seats folded down? | How long will I have to wait to get a dual motor AWD model? Will they come out before the tax incentives are gone? | 41 | 2 | 1,376 |
6qecde | 148 | Post-Event Model 3 FAQ Megathread Please post new questions in this thread. ###**CTRL+F** to find what you re looking for using keywords. Please avoid making a new post if it is not necessary. ###[Pre-Event Model 3 FAQ Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6maygo model_3_faq_thread_please_post_all_questions ) ###[For Incentives and Timing Questions](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6qo7zc incentives_and_timing ) | Does anyone have a good picture of the rear seats folded down? | Does anyone know how the $1000 for non-black colors would compare to buying it black from the factory and getting it painted by a 3rd party? Besides cost how would the quality and longevity compare? One advantage for me would be that I could get metallic red this way which I loved at the initial reveal. | 41 | 2 | 1,377 |
6qecde | 148 | Post-Event Model 3 FAQ Megathread Please post new questions in this thread. ###**CTRL+F** to find what you re looking for using keywords. Please avoid making a new post if it is not necessary. ###[Pre-Event Model 3 FAQ Megathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6maygo model_3_faq_thread_please_post_all_questions ) ###[For Incentives and Timing Questions](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6qo7zc incentives_and_timing ) | Does anyone have a good picture of the rear seats folded down? | Does anyone think we will see other wheel options in the future? I recall a wheel that was on the red model 3 at the first event but haven t seen it since. | 41 | 2 | 1,378 |
6qh2lf | 687 | Can we get an AMA from a Model 3 owner? Title says it all! | They probably don t put themselves out there so they don t have stalkers coming to their house to look under their car for battery stickers. | I thought all the first 30 owners were employees if this is the case then they will be under a DNA as part of their contract. If they are supplying employees first then it might be a month or two before and get out to the public. | 96 | 6 | 1,379 |
6qh2lf | 687 | Can we get an AMA from a Model 3 owner? Title says it all! | the 30 people getting a model 3 were all tesla employees actually | Due to the fact that we haven t seen a single video or anything from the owners they must be under NDA. Which is such bullshit. | 130 | 80 | 1,380 |
6qh2lf | 687 | Can we get an AMA from a Model 3 owner? Title says it all! | the 30 people getting a model 3 were all tesla employees actually | Well they re definitely out there being driven u freefallgrue saw one with the usual ZERO EMISSIONS plate all the S and X are sold with. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=otHcnayyk6A | 130 | 85 | 1,381 |
6qh4sk | 262 | Model 3 VIN 000005 photos Checkout [Steve Jurvetson s photostream](https: www.flickr.com photos jurvetson ) for some photos of his Model 3 VIN 000005. Perhaps we can leave some comments and motivate him to give us some [more videos](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=vuNzwFlrxy0)! EDIT: Just noticed that the seat belt latch in [this image](https: www.flickr.com photos jurvetson 35418230094 in photostream ) has clearly been photoshopped! Are they trying to hide the colour or what? This also confirms that the 30 owners must be under some kind of NDA. | Love the Hooli shirt | Thanks for the link! Tweeted at him - doubt he ll see it but maybe https: twitter.com teslamodel3fan status 891646010644201474 | 39 | 8 | 1,382 |
6qhqg9 | 26 | Full Self-Driving at $3000 Like many people here I m a little worried about dropping 3 grand for FSD considering it might not even arrive during the time I own the car. I may do it anyway as I can t shake two thoughts: - If and when the software is released will there be a price bump? As far as user experience is concerned FSD is definitely a bigger step up from EAP than EAP is from nothing at all - especially if Tesla s the first company to figure it out. So it stands to reason FSD could be $5000 or more in the end. Is there a chance the $3K represents some kind of early adopter discount? - Have we gotten any information about how the FSD upgrade will be deployed? I m assuming that the features will be released as individual betas rather than waiting until all features are completed - for me the extra $3000 might actually be worth it if every few months I get another piece of software that adds some functionality like stop lights roundabouts etc. I m still on the fence but if either of the above are true it might be worth taking the leap. *edited to add: To clarify I m skeptical that FSD will indefinitely cost $3000. So if they raise that price to $5000 once the software actually exists I d lose a lot more than the $1000 after-purchase markup.* | Don t buy FSD it doesn t exist yet. I think you want to see what it actually does rather than buy promises of what it *might* do. | If it were me I would avoid it. Ive seen too many posts getting upvoted on this thread from people bitching about FSD vaporware and incorrect timeline estimates. | 53 | 2 | 1,383 |
6qhqg9 | 26 | Full Self-Driving at $3000 Like many people here I m a little worried about dropping 3 grand for FSD considering it might not even arrive during the time I own the car. I may do it anyway as I can t shake two thoughts: - If and when the software is released will there be a price bump? As far as user experience is concerned FSD is definitely a bigger step up from EAP than EAP is from nothing at all - especially if Tesla s the first company to figure it out. So it stands to reason FSD could be $5000 or more in the end. Is there a chance the $3K represents some kind of early adopter discount? - Have we gotten any information about how the FSD upgrade will be deployed? I m assuming that the features will be released as individual betas rather than waiting until all features are completed - for me the extra $3000 might actually be worth it if every few months I get another piece of software that adds some functionality like stop lights roundabouts etc. I m still on the fence but if either of the above are true it might be worth taking the leap. *edited to add: To clarify I m skeptical that FSD will indefinitely cost $3000. So if they raise that price to $5000 once the software actually exists I d lose a lot more than the $1000 after-purchase markup.* | Don t buy FSD it doesn t exist yet. I think you want to see what it actually does rather than buy promises of what it *might* do. | Buy it post delivery then for $4000 :) You do NEED Enhanced Autopilot though to get Full Self Drive so EAP + FSD before delivery is $5000 + $3000 (or $6000 + $4000 after delivery respectivly). | 53 | 2 | 1,384 |
6qhqg9 | 26 | Full Self-Driving at $3000 Like many people here I m a little worried about dropping 3 grand for FSD considering it might not even arrive during the time I own the car. I may do it anyway as I can t shake two thoughts: - If and when the software is released will there be a price bump? As far as user experience is concerned FSD is definitely a bigger step up from EAP than EAP is from nothing at all - especially if Tesla s the first company to figure it out. So it stands to reason FSD could be $5000 or more in the end. Is there a chance the $3K represents some kind of early adopter discount? - Have we gotten any information about how the FSD upgrade will be deployed? I m assuming that the features will be released as individual betas rather than waiting until all features are completed - for me the extra $3000 might actually be worth it if every few months I get another piece of software that adds some functionality like stop lights roundabouts etc. I m still on the fence but if either of the above are true it might be worth taking the leap. *edited to add: To clarify I m skeptical that FSD will indefinitely cost $3000. So if they raise that price to $5000 once the software actually exists I d lose a lot more than the $1000 after-purchase markup.* | Don t buy FSD it doesn t exist yet. I think you want to see what it actually does rather than buy promises of what it *might* do. | FSD won t be $5K or more. They have already promised current owners who opted to not get it at point of sale that they can upgrade for $4K. So it is $3K now or $4K later and that is very unlikely to change. As for if the $1K discount makes sense it depends on you. There is no formal timeline and you might be waiting a long time. When it is released for your area will also depend on local regulations and nobody really knows what exact capabilities it will have (once again subject to local regulations). So if you are cool with self driving at some point in the future pay $3K now otherwise just wait. | 53 | 3 | 1,385 |
6qhz2h | 173 | For all you price Whiners something to think about... We knew all long the BASE was 35k. We knew the average selling price would be 42k. We DID NOT EXPECT a 310 miles range option. A few weeks ago it was hinted at. If you are on the fence over price but want the car FORGET the Long Range version. In 4-5 years 300 range will be standard. Competition will force it. The biggest selling point to Joe Public is range. All EV manufacturers will push it. So if we stick with Standard range where does that leave us: 35k base. 5k Autopilot 1k color = 41k. 35k base. 5k premium package 1k color = 41k. 35k base. 5k premium package 5k autopilot 1k color = 46k. If you get the premium package your car will be every bit as nice and fancy as the rich guy that gets a loaded down one for 60k+. His will go faster longer but will be identical in every other way. As it has no badge you can just lie and say it goes 310. but if you are lying just say a super special edition that goes 400 or 500. LOL AWD is 5k on the S. So far all the options are the same as the S best to assume that is the case. 35k base. 5k Autopilot 1k color AWD 5k = 46k. 35k base. 5k premium package 1k color AWD 5k = 46k. 35k base. 5k premium package 5k autopilot 1k color AWD 5k = 51k. Use a calculator page to figure out your savings in gas. Factor that into your car payment. Check out the Tesla Super Charger map. I did. I was surprised but they are rather close together in most places. Traveling with 220 will have you stopping a bit more often but still doable. If you really want an EV love the 310 option but it just screws everything up price wise don t get it. In a few years when there is lots of competition 310 will be standard or at least less then 9k. I was price shocked also. but only because once I saw 310 was an option I thought I had to have it. Now that I have decided to stick with the standard range I am once again at peace with my decision and await the day long long in the future when they get to me. I reserved on Reveal day so...early 2019 no matter which way I go. EDIT: I have the prices all lined up but I don t know how to force a carriage return at the end of the line EDIT of EDIT: I figured it out. EDIT EDIT EDIT: FYI I am disappointed with some of the option prices. but they are what they are. The only option that is a good deal is the Premium one. but that is my opinion. As some only need part of it and don t like it either. Unless you get yours in the next few months we just need to go on with our lives until we get our configuration email. As long as he has more buyers then cars to sell he has no reason to change prices. Law of Supply and Demand. And he is Anti Selling the 3 still. so having options cheaper then the S only hurts the S sales. He wants the fully loaded price close to the S to get converts to S. Me I rather have a loaded smaller car then a basic bigger one. But that is just me maybe. | Personally I m actually impressed with how good the base car is. While I m sad the options aren t cheaper I truly do feel like I m getting the best car possible at that price. People who don t believe this either A) Have never driven electric and cannot comprehend how much of a difference this makes to multiple facets of ownership and B) Have unrealistic expectations of what other $35k base cars have. Then everyone also seems to forget that this car will save a lot of gas money and maintenance costs compared to similarly-priced gas cars. Feel free to drop your reservations I ll be glad to go further in line! | I think Elon was wrong about what he was talking about. He said (specifically about awd) that upgrades would be cheaper on the 3 and he said the average car will be 42k. Since upgrades are the same as s x the average is going to be 45-46k. It s not a huge difference but it s what some discount on upgrades would have made. Then people would have no reason to complain. | 43 | 2 | 1,386 |
6qhz2h | 173 | For all you price Whiners something to think about... We knew all long the BASE was 35k. We knew the average selling price would be 42k. We DID NOT EXPECT a 310 miles range option. A few weeks ago it was hinted at. If you are on the fence over price but want the car FORGET the Long Range version. In 4-5 years 300 range will be standard. Competition will force it. The biggest selling point to Joe Public is range. All EV manufacturers will push it. So if we stick with Standard range where does that leave us: 35k base. 5k Autopilot 1k color = 41k. 35k base. 5k premium package 1k color = 41k. 35k base. 5k premium package 5k autopilot 1k color = 46k. If you get the premium package your car will be every bit as nice and fancy as the rich guy that gets a loaded down one for 60k+. His will go faster longer but will be identical in every other way. As it has no badge you can just lie and say it goes 310. but if you are lying just say a super special edition that goes 400 or 500. LOL AWD is 5k on the S. So far all the options are the same as the S best to assume that is the case. 35k base. 5k Autopilot 1k color AWD 5k = 46k. 35k base. 5k premium package 1k color AWD 5k = 46k. 35k base. 5k premium package 5k autopilot 1k color AWD 5k = 51k. Use a calculator page to figure out your savings in gas. Factor that into your car payment. Check out the Tesla Super Charger map. I did. I was surprised but they are rather close together in most places. Traveling with 220 will have you stopping a bit more often but still doable. If you really want an EV love the 310 option but it just screws everything up price wise don t get it. In a few years when there is lots of competition 310 will be standard or at least less then 9k. I was price shocked also. but only because once I saw 310 was an option I thought I had to have it. Now that I have decided to stick with the standard range I am once again at peace with my decision and await the day long long in the future when they get to me. I reserved on Reveal day so...early 2019 no matter which way I go. EDIT: I have the prices all lined up but I don t know how to force a carriage return at the end of the line EDIT of EDIT: I figured it out. EDIT EDIT EDIT: FYI I am disappointed with some of the option prices. but they are what they are. The only option that is a good deal is the Premium one. but that is my opinion. As some only need part of it and don t like it either. Unless you get yours in the next few months we just need to go on with our lives until we get our configuration email. As long as he has more buyers then cars to sell he has no reason to change prices. Law of Supply and Demand. And he is Anti Selling the 3 still. so having options cheaper then the S only hurts the S sales. He wants the fully loaded price close to the S to get converts to S. Me I rather have a loaded smaller car then a basic bigger one. But that is just me maybe. | Personally I m actually impressed with how good the base car is. While I m sad the options aren t cheaper I truly do feel like I m getting the best car possible at that price. People who don t believe this either A) Have never driven electric and cannot comprehend how much of a difference this makes to multiple facets of ownership and B) Have unrealistic expectations of what other $35k base cars have. Then everyone also seems to forget that this car will save a lot of gas money and maintenance costs compared to similarly-priced gas cars. Feel free to drop your reservations I ll be glad to go further in line! | I was not expecting the hefty $9000 for the longer range version I would more expect it to be $4500. The day for Tesla selling only to die hard fans and die hard braggers are over. The rest of the market is about everyday consumers with little to non brand loyalty. | 43 | 4 | 1,387 |
6qhz2h | 173 | For all you price Whiners something to think about... We knew all long the BASE was 35k. We knew the average selling price would be 42k. We DID NOT EXPECT a 310 miles range option. A few weeks ago it was hinted at. If you are on the fence over price but want the car FORGET the Long Range version. In 4-5 years 300 range will be standard. Competition will force it. The biggest selling point to Joe Public is range. All EV manufacturers will push it. So if we stick with Standard range where does that leave us: 35k base. 5k Autopilot 1k color = 41k. 35k base. 5k premium package 1k color = 41k. 35k base. 5k premium package 5k autopilot 1k color = 46k. If you get the premium package your car will be every bit as nice and fancy as the rich guy that gets a loaded down one for 60k+. His will go faster longer but will be identical in every other way. As it has no badge you can just lie and say it goes 310. but if you are lying just say a super special edition that goes 400 or 500. LOL AWD is 5k on the S. So far all the options are the same as the S best to assume that is the case. 35k base. 5k Autopilot 1k color AWD 5k = 46k. 35k base. 5k premium package 1k color AWD 5k = 46k. 35k base. 5k premium package 5k autopilot 1k color AWD 5k = 51k. Use a calculator page to figure out your savings in gas. Factor that into your car payment. Check out the Tesla Super Charger map. I did. I was surprised but they are rather close together in most places. Traveling with 220 will have you stopping a bit more often but still doable. If you really want an EV love the 310 option but it just screws everything up price wise don t get it. In a few years when there is lots of competition 310 will be standard or at least less then 9k. I was price shocked also. but only because once I saw 310 was an option I thought I had to have it. Now that I have decided to stick with the standard range I am once again at peace with my decision and await the day long long in the future when they get to me. I reserved on Reveal day so...early 2019 no matter which way I go. EDIT: I have the prices all lined up but I don t know how to force a carriage return at the end of the line EDIT of EDIT: I figured it out. EDIT EDIT EDIT: FYI I am disappointed with some of the option prices. but they are what they are. The only option that is a good deal is the Premium one. but that is my opinion. As some only need part of it and don t like it either. Unless you get yours in the next few months we just need to go on with our lives until we get our configuration email. As long as he has more buyers then cars to sell he has no reason to change prices. Law of Supply and Demand. And he is Anti Selling the 3 still. so having options cheaper then the S only hurts the S sales. He wants the fully loaded price close to the S to get converts to S. Me I rather have a loaded smaller car then a basic bigger one. But that is just me maybe. | Personally I m actually impressed with how good the base car is. While I m sad the options aren t cheaper I truly do feel like I m getting the best car possible at that price. People who don t believe this either A) Have never driven electric and cannot comprehend how much of a difference this makes to multiple facets of ownership and B) Have unrealistic expectations of what other $35k base cars have. Then everyone also seems to forget that this car will save a lot of gas money and maintenance costs compared to similarly-priced gas cars. Feel free to drop your reservations I ll be glad to go further in line! | Solid points but the thing that still bothers me as someone that waited in line to reserve one day 1 is that I expected to pay a premium to get one of the early configurations but I didn t think it would be $50k without autopilot. | 43 | 4 | 1,388 |
6qie19 | 36 | Any photos of black Model 3 with aero wheels? I ve done some quick searching for a picture of a black Model 3 with aero wheels but haven t found any. Any links? Thanks. | Here you go! https: twitter.com theteslashow status 891706210155614208 | I also want to see this since it s the base wheels and base paint too. | 39 | 9 | 1,389 |
6qj1mt | 137 | Driving an ICE after driving a Tesla I had to drive my wife s car today and I felt like it was trying to kill me. Take my foot off the brake and it tries to launch me into a wall. Take my foot off the accelerator and it just hurdles forward with no regard for safety! I even had to turn it off when I stopped and PRESS A BUTTON like some caveman to lock it. I m being somewhat hyperbolic but it really does go to show how easily you get used to the EV way of car ownership and driving. I Got and walked away from an unlocked running car at least once today. Model 3 owners you are in for a life-changing experience. | Did you turn on the wipers as you tried to put it in reverse? Happens to me every time. | A few of these aren t exclusive to ICEs. | 62 | 8 | 1,390 |
6qj1mt | 137 | Driving an ICE after driving a Tesla I had to drive my wife s car today and I felt like it was trying to kill me. Take my foot off the brake and it tries to launch me into a wall. Take my foot off the accelerator and it just hurdles forward with no regard for safety! I even had to turn it off when I stopped and PRESS A BUTTON like some caveman to lock it. I m being somewhat hyperbolic but it really does go to show how easily you get used to the EV way of car ownership and driving. I Got and walked away from an unlocked running car at least once today. Model 3 owners you are in for a life-changing experience. | These posts are honestly just a big circle jerk. Yes they re different but they re not a godsend. I ve had a Fit EV Hyundai Sonata Tesla Hyundai Elantra and now LEAF. They re cars you get used to them one way or another. Pressing a button isn t the hardest thing in the world. | A few of these aren t exclusive to ICEs. | 39 | 8 | 1,391 |
6qj1mt | 137 | Driving an ICE after driving a Tesla I had to drive my wife s car today and I felt like it was trying to kill me. Take my foot off the brake and it tries to launch me into a wall. Take my foot off the accelerator and it just hurdles forward with no regard for safety! I even had to turn it off when I stopped and PRESS A BUTTON like some caveman to lock it. I m being somewhat hyperbolic but it really does go to show how easily you get used to the EV way of car ownership and driving. I Got and walked away from an unlocked running car at least once today. Model 3 owners you are in for a life-changing experience. | These posts are honestly just a big circle jerk. Yes they re different but they re not a godsend. I ve had a Fit EV Hyundai Sonata Tesla Hyundai Elantra and now LEAF. They re cars you get used to them one way or another. Pressing a button isn t the hardest thing in the world. | I kind of had the same experience after test driving a P100D (which was also the first time I drove a Tesla). My car suddenly felt like it was from a different era - lots of noise vibration obvious gear changes old-school nav jerky at low speeds etc. The performance dual-motor Model 3 I want can t come fast enough... | 39 | 8 | 1,392 |
6qjx9f | 1,214 | I care about the environment but not enough to pay $35 000. I bought the Tesla because it s simply leagues better than any car in that price range. The handling the torque the acceleration how it sounds (or doesn t) the interior the sky roof (for --*sigh* +$5K) the AUTOPILOT (for --*sigh* +$5K) the interface charging at home its safety and finally for what it represents --Car 2.0 I bought a Tesla. Ontario s $14 000 rebate and home charger installation aid sure helped nudge me into making this decision. But yeah its impact on the environment is just a oh cool thing for me. When the laws allow it I ll be able to summon my car to pick me up and go park itself. That s something. | I m the other way. I don t care much about cars but I m willing to pay a premium to help spur the EV movement. How much at this point I m still deciding on but safety range and acceleration would be my main concerns. | Yup. A few Tesla devotees assume that anyone else who purchases a Tesla must be an avid environmentalist above all else when that is absolutely not the case. The EV drivetrain simply makes for such a better car all around. | 357 | 5 | 1,393 |
6qjx9f | 1,214 | I care about the environment but not enough to pay $35 000. I bought the Tesla because it s simply leagues better than any car in that price range. The handling the torque the acceleration how it sounds (or doesn t) the interior the sky roof (for --*sigh* +$5K) the AUTOPILOT (for --*sigh* +$5K) the interface charging at home its safety and finally for what it represents --Car 2.0 I bought a Tesla. Ontario s $14 000 rebate and home charger installation aid sure helped nudge me into making this decision. But yeah its impact on the environment is just a oh cool thing for me. When the laws allow it I ll be able to summon my car to pick me up and go park itself. That s something. | I m the other way. I don t care much about cars but I m willing to pay a premium to help spur the EV movement. How much at this point I m still deciding on but safety range and acceleration would be my main concerns. | Ahem to that. I ll never go back to gas cars. My Fiat 500e Model S and Zero SR are just better to drive. | 357 | 35 | 1,394 |
6qjx9f | 1,214 | I care about the environment but not enough to pay $35 000. I bought the Tesla because it s simply leagues better than any car in that price range. The handling the torque the acceleration how it sounds (or doesn t) the interior the sky roof (for --*sigh* +$5K) the AUTOPILOT (for --*sigh* +$5K) the interface charging at home its safety and finally for what it represents --Car 2.0 I bought a Tesla. Ontario s $14 000 rebate and home charger installation aid sure helped nudge me into making this decision. But yeah its impact on the environment is just a oh cool thing for me. When the laws allow it I ll be able to summon my car to pick me up and go park itself. That s something. | I wish people cared more about the environment. | Yup. A few Tesla devotees assume that anyone else who purchases a Tesla must be an avid environmentalist above all else when that is absolutely not the case. The EV drivetrain simply makes for such a better car all around. | 323 | 5 | 1,395 |
6qk5ta | 56 | For people here saying they have to have a certain amount of acceleration have you read the Hayabusa effect article? [The Hayabusa Effect Is Real.](http: www.roadandtrack.com car-culture a33503 the-hayabusa-effect-is-real ) > I d warned Creighton about the Hayabusa Effect prior to his Hellcat purchase. It s a phrase I coined many years ago after meeting a fellow who owned a turbocharged Suzuki Hayabusa. This was the first time I had heard of such a machine. Nobody needs a turbocharged Hayabusa. After all the bone-stock Hayabusa the one they will cheerfully sell to novice teens for about 11 grand after some negotiation rips the quarter mile in under ten seconds. With the factory-fitted speed limiter removed it s good for 202 mph. > A Hayabusa will kill you quicker than just about anything short of a jealous husband whose tour in Marine Force Recon ended a day sooner than you d expected. The task has not yet been invented that requires a faster motorcycle than the Suzuki Hayabusa. Yet there are plenty of turbo Hayabusas out there. Some of them can run six-second quarter-miles at over 200 mph. And every turbo-Busa owner I ve ever met tells me exactly the same thing: At first the Hayabusa seemed crazy fast. But I got used to it and I wanted something that gave me the same thrill the Busa did when I first got it. | Basically vehicular heroin. | I dont agree! My car is fast as a rollercoaster and after 9months im still afraid of the 0-100km h my eyes get stuck in the back. And i get that awesome feeling. Ofc the p versions are faster but i dont think i need faster. Ghis is great. If i had more mney i would take the faster car for sure | 43 | 2 | 1,396 |
6qk5ta | 56 | For people here saying they have to have a certain amount of acceleration have you read the Hayabusa effect article? [The Hayabusa Effect Is Real.](http: www.roadandtrack.com car-culture a33503 the-hayabusa-effect-is-real ) > I d warned Creighton about the Hayabusa Effect prior to his Hellcat purchase. It s a phrase I coined many years ago after meeting a fellow who owned a turbocharged Suzuki Hayabusa. This was the first time I had heard of such a machine. Nobody needs a turbocharged Hayabusa. After all the bone-stock Hayabusa the one they will cheerfully sell to novice teens for about 11 grand after some negotiation rips the quarter mile in under ten seconds. With the factory-fitted speed limiter removed it s good for 202 mph. > A Hayabusa will kill you quicker than just about anything short of a jealous husband whose tour in Marine Force Recon ended a day sooner than you d expected. The task has not yet been invented that requires a faster motorcycle than the Suzuki Hayabusa. Yet there are plenty of turbo Hayabusas out there. Some of them can run six-second quarter-miles at over 200 mph. And every turbo-Busa owner I ve ever met tells me exactly the same thing: At first the Hayabusa seemed crazy fast. But I got used to it and I wanted something that gave me the same thrill the Busa did when I first got it. | Basically vehicular heroin. | Addicting. | 43 | 3 | 1,397 |
6qk5ta | 56 | For people here saying they have to have a certain amount of acceleration have you read the Hayabusa effect article? [The Hayabusa Effect Is Real.](http: www.roadandtrack.com car-culture a33503 the-hayabusa-effect-is-real ) > I d warned Creighton about the Hayabusa Effect prior to his Hellcat purchase. It s a phrase I coined many years ago after meeting a fellow who owned a turbocharged Suzuki Hayabusa. This was the first time I had heard of such a machine. Nobody needs a turbocharged Hayabusa. After all the bone-stock Hayabusa the one they will cheerfully sell to novice teens for about 11 grand after some negotiation rips the quarter mile in under ten seconds. With the factory-fitted speed limiter removed it s good for 202 mph. > A Hayabusa will kill you quicker than just about anything short of a jealous husband whose tour in Marine Force Recon ended a day sooner than you d expected. The task has not yet been invented that requires a faster motorcycle than the Suzuki Hayabusa. Yet there are plenty of turbo Hayabusas out there. Some of them can run six-second quarter-miles at over 200 mph. And every turbo-Busa owner I ve ever met tells me exactly the same thing: At first the Hayabusa seemed crazy fast. But I got used to it and I wanted something that gave me the same thrill the Busa did when I first got it. | Basically vehicular heroin. | Power addict here. Can confirm I want more. | 43 | 6 | 1,398 |
6qkti8 | 64 | PSA: Double check your delivery estimate. It may have changed. I first checked my delivery estimate immediately after the Tesla page came back online on early Saturday morning and had an estimate of January - March 2018. Just checked again and it has been moved up to November 2017 - January 2018! For reference I reserved in-store around 12pm MST on 3 31 in AZ. | California - reserved 3 days ago. early 2019 LOL | Yup mine changed for a 75D MX. It was previously Aug-Early Sept but now it s Sept-Early Oct. I reached out to my delivery specialist for more info on why that happened kinda bummed now. | 38 | 2 | 1,399 |
6qkti8 | 64 | PSA: Double check your delivery estimate. It may have changed. I first checked my delivery estimate immediately after the Tesla page came back online on early Saturday morning and had an estimate of January - March 2018. Just checked again and it has been moved up to November 2017 - January 2018! For reference I reserved in-store around 12pm MST on 3 31 in AZ. | California - reserved 3 days ago. early 2019 LOL | Reserved 5 7 17 - Mine also shifted slightly closer for both Standard Battery and AWD (preferred) - https: imgur.com gallery OPtaP Maybe people are cancelling reservations or they are anticipating a faster rollout than announced. They may have went a little farther for initial dates as a ‘just in case measure. I m surely not complaining lol. | 38 | 2 | 1,400 |
6qkti8 | 64 | PSA: Double check your delivery estimate. It may have changed. I first checked my delivery estimate immediately after the Tesla page came back online on early Saturday morning and had an estimate of January - March 2018. Just checked again and it has been moved up to November 2017 - January 2018! For reference I reserved in-store around 12pm MST on 3 31 in AZ. | California - reserved 3 days ago. early 2019 LOL | Interesting for me before: First Production: 4-6 18 Standard Battery: 6-8 18 After Refresh: First Production 4-6 18 Standard Battery: 5-7 18 | 38 | 3 | 1,401 |
6qkzo5 | 164 | Can we stop calling anyone who criticises the price of upgrades whiners ? We get it there s a lot of talk about how people were taken by surprise by the upgrades but what s not cool is simply dismissing these people and their concerns - it s pretty condescending. Having the opinion that the pricing of upgrades is excessive is just as valid as the we knew it was coming opinion and it s not entirely unjustified opinion either. A lot of us are in the camp of just wanting either a long-range Model 3 or an autonomous one but both of those push the car into the $40k+ price range which is by no means mass-market . Then you ve got people with preferences for a mix of those upgrade options including a different colour or wheels not to mention people who desperately wanted a glass roof which pushes the price further into the field of dreams for a lot of starry-eyed potential first-time tesla owners. | Thanks for this post. I ve been meaning to post my own thoughts about this. One huge thing on this sub that i ve seen over the last few days regarding the whiner hate is how out of touch Tesla fanboi enthusiast owners can be. A lot of people commenting telling people to stfu are s x owners heavy investors SV tech people etc. What they are missing is that this car was supposed to reach the millions of people required to make it a long-term success. It doesn t matter if they sell 500k. Or 1M. It matters if they can sell 500k or 1M a year. And after the the initial hype dies down the people they need to convince aren t the 4th car 300k a year tech-douches on this thread. It s going to be soccer moms dual-income households teachers firemen women and bmw enthusiasts. You can only ride the wave of new and cool for so long. That s what people are missing. We aren t mad that we can t get an AP FSD with BMW 3 series comforts and 310 miles of range for 35k. We are sad that we can get a better looking Bolt with 18 miles fewer range and no options for about the same price. The millions of people that buy 3 series Bolts Prius etc. are not the average S X buyer. They are regular ass people who are sold on shit like more range and cheaper options packages. We are sad that we are getting Tesla early adopter tax d on the thing that was supposed to be for everyone. | The problem is for a $35k luxury car it should at least have powered seats. | 54 | 4 | 1,402 |
6qkzo5 | 164 | Can we stop calling anyone who criticises the price of upgrades whiners ? We get it there s a lot of talk about how people were taken by surprise by the upgrades but what s not cool is simply dismissing these people and their concerns - it s pretty condescending. Having the opinion that the pricing of upgrades is excessive is just as valid as the we knew it was coming opinion and it s not entirely unjustified opinion either. A lot of us are in the camp of just wanting either a long-range Model 3 or an autonomous one but both of those push the car into the $40k+ price range which is by no means mass-market . Then you ve got people with preferences for a mix of those upgrade options including a different colour or wheels not to mention people who desperately wanted a glass roof which pushes the price further into the field of dreams for a lot of starry-eyed potential first-time tesla owners. | Thanks for this post. I ve been meaning to post my own thoughts about this. One huge thing on this sub that i ve seen over the last few days regarding the whiner hate is how out of touch Tesla fanboi enthusiast owners can be. A lot of people commenting telling people to stfu are s x owners heavy investors SV tech people etc. What they are missing is that this car was supposed to reach the millions of people required to make it a long-term success. It doesn t matter if they sell 500k. Or 1M. It matters if they can sell 500k or 1M a year. And after the the initial hype dies down the people they need to convince aren t the 4th car 300k a year tech-douches on this thread. It s going to be soccer moms dual-income households teachers firemen women and bmw enthusiasts. You can only ride the wave of new and cool for so long. That s what people are missing. We aren t mad that we can t get an AP FSD with BMW 3 series comforts and 310 miles of range for 35k. We are sad that we can get a better looking Bolt with 18 miles fewer range and no options for about the same price. The millions of people that buy 3 series Bolts Prius etc. are not the average S X buyer. They are regular ass people who are sold on shit like more range and cheaper options packages. We are sad that we are getting Tesla early adopter tax d on the thing that was supposed to be for everyone. | Almost every Honda available has a configuration range of about 20k. I have no problem with the Model 3 ranging wildly with options. Elon even stated that the Model 3 will NOT be a cheap and small model S but rather a very capable electric car for 35k. I d say the base model has better base options styling and value than any other electric on the market. | 54 | 4 | 1,403 |
6qkzo5 | 164 | Can we stop calling anyone who criticises the price of upgrades whiners ? We get it there s a lot of talk about how people were taken by surprise by the upgrades but what s not cool is simply dismissing these people and their concerns - it s pretty condescending. Having the opinion that the pricing of upgrades is excessive is just as valid as the we knew it was coming opinion and it s not entirely unjustified opinion either. A lot of us are in the camp of just wanting either a long-range Model 3 or an autonomous one but both of those push the car into the $40k+ price range which is by no means mass-market . Then you ve got people with preferences for a mix of those upgrade options including a different colour or wheels not to mention people who desperately wanted a glass roof which pushes the price further into the field of dreams for a lot of starry-eyed potential first-time tesla owners. | Thanks for this post. I ve been meaning to post my own thoughts about this. One huge thing on this sub that i ve seen over the last few days regarding the whiner hate is how out of touch Tesla fanboi enthusiast owners can be. A lot of people commenting telling people to stfu are s x owners heavy investors SV tech people etc. What they are missing is that this car was supposed to reach the millions of people required to make it a long-term success. It doesn t matter if they sell 500k. Or 1M. It matters if they can sell 500k or 1M a year. And after the the initial hype dies down the people they need to convince aren t the 4th car 300k a year tech-douches on this thread. It s going to be soccer moms dual-income households teachers firemen women and bmw enthusiasts. You can only ride the wave of new and cool for so long. That s what people are missing. We aren t mad that we can t get an AP FSD with BMW 3 series comforts and 310 miles of range for 35k. We are sad that we can get a better looking Bolt with 18 miles fewer range and no options for about the same price. The millions of people that buy 3 series Bolts Prius etc. are not the average S X buyer. They are regular ass people who are sold on shit like more range and cheaper options packages. We are sad that we are getting Tesla early adopter tax d on the thing that was supposed to be for everyone. | IMO Enhanced Auto Pilot ($5k) should have been a freebie. | 54 | 5 | 1,404 |
6qlpk8 | 157 | Plotting EV prices and ranges tells just how far away the Model 3 Long Range is from the rest of the competition. I put into Excel the prices and ranges of the most popular EVs in US and Europe. It can be clearly seen that the Long Range version is really far ahead and only the Bolt EV can come close to the Standard Tesla just set (pun intended) ~~Old: http: i.imgur.com K3VMN56.png~~ New updated with actual range of Zoe: http: i.imgur.com M4o8czW.png Someone suggested inversing the axes: http: i.imgur.com JnAdul3.png Connecting the Standard and Long Range versions we can kinda see the current price frontier: ~~Old: http: i.imgur.com zGEbXQh.png~~ New: http: i.imgur.com 33DVzLV.png Red is where impossibly cheap batteries for the near future white is declining or no market green is where existing cars could be even more affordable and mass-market blue is where I see potential market for cars with good features utility performance and yellow is high end luxury cars ~~Comment to old one: Probably there won t be many EV s below the $20k line but anything right from 100 mile and below the drawn line can be a competitive city car though the actual goal for the industry is now going near the Model 3 s and the Bolt. Good luck!~~ (The Zoe price is converted from GBP with a 5 year unlimited mile battery lease.) | Also the Bolt is $43k loaded still only gets 238 miles and no supercharging. Plus it s a Chevy and feels like it. | ~~Nit the LEAF has a 107 mile range with the standard 30kWh pack it looks like you have the older value of 84 miles with the old 24 kWh pack. They stopped selling that last year.~~ Never mind I thought the Soul was the LEAF. Nice work. Edit: IMHO there will be loads of city EVs (100 mile range) under $20k in ten years. | 58 | 13 | 1,405 |
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