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6l60jr | 26 | Any pictures of the underside of the model 3? The reason I m wondering is because there might be additional tech underneath for the V3 charging. | Here s one I remember from the first Gigafactory tour last year: http: imgur.com a 1HagA | Not that I ve seen. I ve been asking for a photo of a battery sticker for forever. | 81 | 18 | 1,206 |
6l7sg8 | 30 | Pros & cons of buying a used model S or waiting for a new model 3? Finally going the way of all-electric. I don t have a preorder for a 3 so the EV credit is moot either way (I won t get a 3 before it s used up). Lots of 2013 on the lower side of the used inventory. Anything bad about a year s particular model (2013 2014 2015?). Should I wait for some 3s to roll out for more lease-returns to come back in? | Honestly just wait 24 days. Not saying you ll be kicking yourself if you don t but at least you ll be in a better position to make a direct comparison. | Pro: You get a car now. Con: You don t get to use the EV credit But seriously if you aren t going to get the credit anyway then it s a moot point. I d focus on the things that are must haves for you. Do you care about AP1 or AP2? Do you care about certain packages? Once you have that list then make a budget before shopping. This way you ll avoid ended spending $75k on a $40k budget because you were wowed on the test drive and you were able to buy new and use the credit. | 49 | 8 | 1,207 |
6l85tb | 57 | With the imminent release of the 3 has there been any news of service center ramping? With so many Tesla s about to flood the streets especially with the lofty production goals the service centers will be overwhelmed. Do we know if Tesla has opened certified any new centers? Have existing centers ramped up hiring training or expanded? Or are we in for a servicing nightmare? | The number of teslas on the road in the US is going to almost double in the next 12 months. I hope they have plans to double service centers capacity workers and spare parts | Haven t heard an update other than what is in the sidebar. Look in the news updates I post. It may be in the older history. | 28 | 2 | 1,208 |
6li93q | 37 | How well will Model 3 kinks get worked out as Tesla delivers 100k 200k 300k vehicles? One of the reasons I waited a month to reserve my Model 3 after reveal was to avoid getting one of the earliest production vehicles which are most likely to have issues with form fit function. Tesla has shown its ability to work out kinks with Model S & X over the span of a few years but with only ~100 000 produced. How quickly well do you expect Model 3 kinks to get worked out in just the next year by which they re expected to produce more than 100 000 Model 3s? Obviously continuous improvement will be more dependent on time not volume but do you think we will see more robust builds with respect to time with the Model 3 compared to X & S? | First this is their third mass produced model they learned a bunch of kinks to avoid. Second they now have top tier suppliers which means better quality parts to start with. Third the car is much simpler than either S or especially X so much less chance for things to go wrong. Fourth they are only building one configuration to start and slowly adding more over time even further simplifying the build process. Finally a much greater volume of cars will be produced and sold so the feedback bandwidth is much higher which should iron kinks out much faster. That is why they are starting with Cali first so they can resolve any early issues close to the factory. All in all it should be the least kinky car they have produced and I fully expect everything to be ironed out by 50k units. If you reserved a month after reveal you are probably looking at being 200k in line or so way beyond any startup issues. | It s been known with the S that they make approx 20 hardware and software improvements per week I believe. I bet the 3 would be way more given it s production level. | 73 | 7 | 1,209 |
6lj1wx | 67 | Just got 17.26.76 anyone else? AP2 Doesn t look like it adds any new features but still give it a test drive in a minute. | First off definitely way better than the initial silky smooth release. Took it only on local roads especially areas where I knew autopilot struggles. Had only a few disengagements it handled intersections way better and didn t dip towards one side or the other like it did before. Braking and start to accelerate are much improved. It used to have a long delay when stopped traffic would start moving for the car to start accelerating that is definitely fixed. Overall a lot more assertive in lane keeping and improved lane centering around sharp corners. | Is this the silky smooth update everyone was talking about a few weeks ago? Where are you located ? I live in Northeast U.S. and still haven t gotten the silky smooth AP update on my 2017 AP2 MX.... Edit: Also I am still on 17.17.17 | 40 | 3 | 1,210 |
6lj1wx | 67 | Just got 17.26.76 anyone else? AP2 Doesn t look like it adds any new features but still give it a test drive in a minute. | First off definitely way better than the initial silky smooth release. Took it only on local roads especially areas where I knew autopilot struggles. Had only a few disengagements it handled intersections way better and didn t dip towards one side or the other like it did before. Braking and start to accelerate are much improved. It used to have a long delay when stopped traffic would start moving for the car to start accelerating that is definitely fixed. Overall a lot more assertive in lane keeping and improved lane centering around sharp corners. | Oh man. I have a MS AP2 and still on 17.17.17......... I haven t been this anxious since Windows Vista!!!!! | 40 | 8 | 1,211 |
6ll3ki | 46 | Who has the lowest eletric rate? Mine is $0.0003 kwh So my electric cost is $0.0003 from my provider + $0.035 oncor cost. For a grand total of $0.03503 kwh. I live in allen texas. 24 month contract. I dont own a Tesla but I wish I did. I drive a chevy cruze 2012 LT and get 30mpg. Looking to get a model 3 or bolt which ever has better lease deal. Sadly model 3 will have to wait till 2019 and bolt is ugly but functional and out of stock. Edit: The point im trying to make is my electric rate is super low and gas prices are ok but I burn so much. Im in a dire need of a electric car with 200+ miles per charge at around 30-40k because I would be saving around $100 a month and $1200 a year but I cant do that because model 3 wont be avalible till 2019 and bolt is ugly and not in stock to even be considerd near me. If bolt looked anything even close to a good looking car I would drive to cali and pick one up. But no... in chevies mind if you make an electric car then it must be fugly. | Free from the sun. I still have to pay the electric company $12 a month to use the grid like a battery. | $.09 here in FL | 47 | 2 | 1,212 |
6ll3ki | 46 | Who has the lowest eletric rate? Mine is $0.0003 kwh So my electric cost is $0.0003 from my provider + $0.035 oncor cost. For a grand total of $0.03503 kwh. I live in allen texas. 24 month contract. I dont own a Tesla but I wish I did. I drive a chevy cruze 2012 LT and get 30mpg. Looking to get a model 3 or bolt which ever has better lease deal. Sadly model 3 will have to wait till 2019 and bolt is ugly but functional and out of stock. Edit: The point im trying to make is my electric rate is super low and gas prices are ok but I burn so much. Im in a dire need of a electric car with 200+ miles per charge at around 30-40k because I would be saving around $100 a month and $1200 a year but I cant do that because model 3 wont be avalible till 2019 and bolt is ugly and not in stock to even be considerd near me. If bolt looked anything even close to a good looking car I would drive to cali and pick one up. But no... in chevies mind if you make an electric car then it must be fugly. | Free from the sun. I still have to pay the electric company $12 a month to use the grid like a battery. | ~$0.13 off peak. Also driving a Chevy Cruze LT. | 47 | 3 | 1,213 |
6ll3ki | 46 | Who has the lowest eletric rate? Mine is $0.0003 kwh So my electric cost is $0.0003 from my provider + $0.035 oncor cost. For a grand total of $0.03503 kwh. I live in allen texas. 24 month contract. I dont own a Tesla but I wish I did. I drive a chevy cruze 2012 LT and get 30mpg. Looking to get a model 3 or bolt which ever has better lease deal. Sadly model 3 will have to wait till 2019 and bolt is ugly but functional and out of stock. Edit: The point im trying to make is my electric rate is super low and gas prices are ok but I burn so much. Im in a dire need of a electric car with 200+ miles per charge at around 30-40k because I would be saving around $100 a month and $1200 a year but I cant do that because model 3 wont be avalible till 2019 and bolt is ugly and not in stock to even be considerd near me. If bolt looked anything even close to a good looking car I would drive to cali and pick one up. But no... in chevies mind if you make an electric car then it must be fugly. | Free from the sun. I still have to pay the electric company $12 a month to use the grid like a battery. | Wow... would love such a rate... 0.22 CHF (which is almost 1:1 to USD) off peak... still only a 3rd of what I would pay in Gas | 47 | 6 | 1,214 |
6lvqtn | 23 | Could someone summarize (in a few bullet points) where things stand with Model 3 + the current Autopilot Status (and capabilities)? Sorry I m busy at work at the moment and I didn t want to forget. Time is tight with work and house buying. I intend on adding this summarized information to the sidebar for quick access for anyone. Just so we don t have to repeat information over and over. --------------- **Autopilot bulletpoint thoughts** May help to have a section for Autopilot will **not**... (as an example **Model 3 bulletpoint thoughts** Info about configurator dates what will be customized when things (AWD Performance) etc are expected to come. ---------------- Ultimately updating the Wiki isn t enough and I want it to be more readily available. Thanks! | **Autopilot:** AP1 vs AP2 * AP1 consists of vehicles built from around September 2014 - October 2016. It consists of one forward facing camera one forward facing radar sensor GPS and ultrasonic sensors surrounding the vehicle. [Here is a visual representation of the AP1 sensor suite.](https: i.imgur.com 6TcxiNL.jpg) This system is based on a MobileEye EyeQ3 chipset. * AP2 consists of vehicles built from October 2016 to the present day. This suite of sensors include a total of 8 cameras for 360 coverage of the vehicle a forward facing radar GPS and longer range ultrasonic sensors compared to AP1. [Here is a visual representation of the sensor suite.](https: cleantechnica.com files 2016 10 Tesla-Autopilot-Hardware.png) This system is based on a much more capable NVIDIA Drive PX2 computer and is powered by Tesla s in-house Tesla Vision computer vision system. Autopilot Convenience Features (Paid option on vehicles): * Traffic-Aware Cruise Control - Will maintain a maximum speed set by the user or will also maintain a user defined distance between your car and the car in front. * Autosteer - Vehicle will maintain your current lane with the Autosteer feature. Also includes Auto Lane Change which will move vehicle into another lane when initiated by the user when the turn signal is activated. * Automatic Parallel Parking * Automatic Perpendicular Parking * Summon - Currently only straight forward and straight back. Can be initiated from the mobile app the key fob and the gear selector stalk if Continuous Press is disabled in the settings menu. Active Safety Features (Standard on all vehicles with AP hardware): * Forward Collision Warning * Automatic Emergency Braking * Side Collision Warning * Side Collision Avoidance * Blind Spot Monitoring System Limitations: * **Autopilot does not currently have Full Self Driving capabilities** * Autopilot requires driver attention and vigilance at all times. Please pay attention to road and traffic conditions at all times and prepare to take over to manual control. * Autopilot currently **does not** detect or act upon traffic signal lights stop signs or any other signs. AP1 can identify speed limit signs via the camera and will display that information to the driver. AP2 vehicles pull speed information from an online database using the GPS position. AP1 and AP2 vehicles do not adjust speeds based on detected or derived speed limits. * On AP2 vehicles side cameras are currently not active and only currently uses the ultrasonic sensors. So Auto Lane Change can not currently account for rapidly approaching traffic from behind or vehicles two lanes over merging into the same lane. Please check your mirrors for safe lane changing conditions before initiating a lane change. AP1 vehicles will always have this limitation due to the lack of side facing cameras. * Autopilot does not let in vehicles trying to merge into your lane. Autopilot may need to be disengaged in order to yield to merging and lane changing traffic. * Autopilot may have trouble in poor visibility conditions or if lane markings are faded or ambiguous. Be prepared to take over and disengage the system if such conditions are presented. * Autopilot does not navigate construction zones and will also not yield to emergency vehicles. * Autopilot on local roads is still not robust. Please exercise caution when using the system on non-highways. Autopilot use is not encouraged on roads without a center divider. AP2 vehicles have a 360 degree camera system capable of full self driving in the future using Tesla Vision. Many of the above listed limitations will most likely be resolved with upcoming Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self Driving updates to AP2 vehicles. | Mine are super top level big picture stuff but maybe they will spark some better ideas: - Model 3 is on track for a significant production ramp between now and 2020. It will most likely be the highest sold battery EV. - Model 3 production rate will probably increase every month for the next 2 years to the point where you are seeing more Model 3 s than new Toyota Camrys and Ford Mustangs driving around. - If you order a model 3 right now you will probably be waiting in line for a year or longer. There is significant demand. - Autopilot is basically limited to lane assist on highways right now. Performance on local roads is choppy and unreliable and still in beta phase. - Tesla cars have begun to upload training data to a cloud based network to train deep learning systems and improve self driving capability. - Tesla cars will mostly likely at least stay on par with other autopilot features from competing OEM s for the forseeable future. - It is reasonable to expect fully autonomous level 4 vehicles entering the market within 5 years. - Tesla will offer a service where you can loan your car out to friends family and trustworthy strangers once their autonomous software improves. They have a goal of reaching this capability by 2019. A lot of people believe this is unrealistic. - By 2020 it is possible that Model Y SUV will be entering production. | 37 | 11 | 1,215 |
6m082r | 1,092 | Well I ran out of battery power 15 miles from home in my Model S P85D yesterday. A few observations: Long story short I knew I was really pushing it. I was about 15 miles from home and down to 2 miles left on my screen. I pulled into a gas station and they were kind enough to let me use a conveniently located power outlet. 3 miles charge per hour. Do the math. Then I popped their breaker 10 minutes in and gave up on that option. I figured Heck dummy there must be some cushion in the software . Wrong. I got back on the road and hit 0 miles of charge left. Kept it at 45mph and hoped for the best. About a mile later the car told me to pull over because it was shutting down. Damn. I had to get towed which didn t end up being too bad though it took 2 hours and cost me $175. **I highly recommend reviewing how a Tesla should be properly towed in the event that this happens to you. It s not super difficult but you should know how to do it before you are in the heat of the moment. The Quick Start manual Tesla provides explains the process pretty well.** The main manual obviously also goes over the process. I could not get my car into Tow Mode. I had to call Tesla while I was sitting there and I will say that the service was excellent. They answered my call on one ring and answered all of my questions swiftly. **When I tried to put my car in Tow Mode it kept popping from On to Off . Tow mode among other things puts the car in neutral. You can t use the steering wheel stick to do this when your battery is dead. It won t let you. Tesla told me to hold down the brake and actually hold down Off on the tow mode screen.** It then turned On from there. Weird. We were able to push the car into position while in tow mode. I was pulled in forward because the car totally died and stopped while I tried to get it into a desirable tow position. The wheels turned but they were not powered so it was a beast to turn them. Also **only use a tow company with a flat bed truck.** The vehicle is too low for a standard tow truck. Very important. I was also confused about where the tow truck would attach their straps. The manual mentions a towing eye located under a removal panel at the front of the car. **There is another option of attaching straps to the front suspension. This is the method we used and it worked perfectly. I have the air suspension and Tesla recommends setting it to Very High before towing. I could not get it any higher than Normal . We went with it and it worked fine.** Bottom line is that I would read over everything in the event that you are stupid like me and this happens to you. Go ahead and test out Tow Mode at home to get a feel for it. Also the basic electronics such as the two screens and auto windows worked throughout this process. I assume they are run from the smaller battery. Cheers! | This probably won t make you feel better but you learned there s no buffer in a Tesla s remaining range the hard way so we don t have to. It s a bummer it happened to you but I thank you for your impromptu experiment. | Thanks for the info. Very useful! > Also the basic electronics such as the two screens and auto windows worked throughout this process. I assume they are run from the smaller battery I suspect there is a reserve in the battery to power these maybe? Would it not kill the smaller battery quickly? | 794 | 12 | 1,216 |
6m082r | 1,092 | Well I ran out of battery power 15 miles from home in my Model S P85D yesterday. A few observations: Long story short I knew I was really pushing it. I was about 15 miles from home and down to 2 miles left on my screen. I pulled into a gas station and they were kind enough to let me use a conveniently located power outlet. 3 miles charge per hour. Do the math. Then I popped their breaker 10 minutes in and gave up on that option. I figured Heck dummy there must be some cushion in the software . Wrong. I got back on the road and hit 0 miles of charge left. Kept it at 45mph and hoped for the best. About a mile later the car told me to pull over because it was shutting down. Damn. I had to get towed which didn t end up being too bad though it took 2 hours and cost me $175. **I highly recommend reviewing how a Tesla should be properly towed in the event that this happens to you. It s not super difficult but you should know how to do it before you are in the heat of the moment. The Quick Start manual Tesla provides explains the process pretty well.** The main manual obviously also goes over the process. I could not get my car into Tow Mode. I had to call Tesla while I was sitting there and I will say that the service was excellent. They answered my call on one ring and answered all of my questions swiftly. **When I tried to put my car in Tow Mode it kept popping from On to Off . Tow mode among other things puts the car in neutral. You can t use the steering wheel stick to do this when your battery is dead. It won t let you. Tesla told me to hold down the brake and actually hold down Off on the tow mode screen.** It then turned On from there. Weird. We were able to push the car into position while in tow mode. I was pulled in forward because the car totally died and stopped while I tried to get it into a desirable tow position. The wheels turned but they were not powered so it was a beast to turn them. Also **only use a tow company with a flat bed truck.** The vehicle is too low for a standard tow truck. Very important. I was also confused about where the tow truck would attach their straps. The manual mentions a towing eye located under a removal panel at the front of the car. **There is another option of attaching straps to the front suspension. This is the method we used and it worked perfectly. I have the air suspension and Tesla recommends setting it to Very High before towing. I could not get it any higher than Normal . We went with it and it worked fine.** Bottom line is that I would read over everything in the event that you are stupid like me and this happens to you. Go ahead and test out Tow Mode at home to get a feel for it. Also the basic electronics such as the two screens and auto windows worked throughout this process. I assume they are run from the smaller battery. Cheers! | This probably won t make you feel better but you learned there s no buffer in a Tesla s remaining range the hard way so we don t have to. It s a bummer it happened to you but I thank you for your impromptu experiment. | It would be useful if Tesla would make automatic towing detection (based on back EMF from the wheels maybe an attitude sensor differential speed between front and back wheels when stopped). Then they could try to minimize the damage when bring towed when you park illegally and are towed without a flatbed. | 794 | 17 | 1,217 |
6m082r | 1,092 | Well I ran out of battery power 15 miles from home in my Model S P85D yesterday. A few observations: Long story short I knew I was really pushing it. I was about 15 miles from home and down to 2 miles left on my screen. I pulled into a gas station and they were kind enough to let me use a conveniently located power outlet. 3 miles charge per hour. Do the math. Then I popped their breaker 10 minutes in and gave up on that option. I figured Heck dummy there must be some cushion in the software . Wrong. I got back on the road and hit 0 miles of charge left. Kept it at 45mph and hoped for the best. About a mile later the car told me to pull over because it was shutting down. Damn. I had to get towed which didn t end up being too bad though it took 2 hours and cost me $175. **I highly recommend reviewing how a Tesla should be properly towed in the event that this happens to you. It s not super difficult but you should know how to do it before you are in the heat of the moment. The Quick Start manual Tesla provides explains the process pretty well.** The main manual obviously also goes over the process. I could not get my car into Tow Mode. I had to call Tesla while I was sitting there and I will say that the service was excellent. They answered my call on one ring and answered all of my questions swiftly. **When I tried to put my car in Tow Mode it kept popping from On to Off . Tow mode among other things puts the car in neutral. You can t use the steering wheel stick to do this when your battery is dead. It won t let you. Tesla told me to hold down the brake and actually hold down Off on the tow mode screen.** It then turned On from there. Weird. We were able to push the car into position while in tow mode. I was pulled in forward because the car totally died and stopped while I tried to get it into a desirable tow position. The wheels turned but they were not powered so it was a beast to turn them. Also **only use a tow company with a flat bed truck.** The vehicle is too low for a standard tow truck. Very important. I was also confused about where the tow truck would attach their straps. The manual mentions a towing eye located under a removal panel at the front of the car. **There is another option of attaching straps to the front suspension. This is the method we used and it worked perfectly. I have the air suspension and Tesla recommends setting it to Very High before towing. I could not get it any higher than Normal . We went with it and it worked fine.** Bottom line is that I would read over everything in the event that you are stupid like me and this happens to you. Go ahead and test out Tow Mode at home to get a feel for it. Also the basic electronics such as the two screens and auto windows worked throughout this process. I assume they are run from the smaller battery. Cheers! | This probably won t make you feel better but you learned there s no buffer in a Tesla s remaining range the hard way so we don t have to. It s a bummer it happened to you but I thank you for your impromptu experiment. | Wonder what would happen if you parked somewhere illegally and someone towed you without a flat bed and without putting the car in tow mode. | 794 | 34 | 1,218 |
6m5byr | 129 | Help! There s a small crab in the underbelly of my Model S. Ok so kids caught a little crab on the beach today and decided to take it home. Crab got loose in the backseat then made its way under the driver s seat. There s a plastic thing there with a hole that seems to lead to somewhere underneath the car. Does anyone know where that leads? I heard the crab running around tonight definitely on plastic or metal surface so have a strong feeling he is under there. Any advice!?!?! Edit: 🦀 not 💩 Edit UPDATE: I woke up the next morning and there was no more movement in the car. So we went home never found the crab. 2 days later I get into the car and it smells like a full on crab shack!! I was planning a cross country trip and so needed this situation dealt with ASAP. The day before we were set to leave the smell was getting worse so I called Tesla and asked them for a miracle. Said I needed this crab found and also needed a replacement for my front rubber mat. He said he would do his best to squeeze me in. I drove over there and when I got there and took out the rubber mat I saw what looked like a tiny claw poking out from the normal mat I had beneath the rubber one. I picked that up and there he was! Crabby now rather flattened. I scraped him off the mat and threw him out of the car Tesla replaced my mat (thanks!!) and that was the end of the crab saga just in time for our trip! | Notify Elon as soon as possible he has a good relationship with the crab people | Crap | 71 | 5 | 1,219 |
6m5byr | 129 | Help! There s a small crab in the underbelly of my Model S. Ok so kids caught a little crab on the beach today and decided to take it home. Crab got loose in the backseat then made its way under the driver s seat. There s a plastic thing there with a hole that seems to lead to somewhere underneath the car. Does anyone know where that leads? I heard the crab running around tonight definitely on plastic or metal surface so have a strong feeling he is under there. Any advice!?!?! Edit: 🦀 not 💩 Edit UPDATE: I woke up the next morning and there was no more movement in the car. So we went home never found the crab. 2 days later I get into the car and it smells like a full on crab shack!! I was planning a cross country trip and so needed this situation dealt with ASAP. The day before we were set to leave the smell was getting worse so I called Tesla and asked them for a miracle. Said I needed this crab found and also needed a replacement for my front rubber mat. He said he would do his best to squeeze me in. I drove over there and when I got there and took out the rubber mat I saw what looked like a tiny claw poking out from the normal mat I had beneath the rubber one. I picked that up and there he was! Crabby now rather flattened. I scraped him off the mat and threw him out of the car Tesla replaced my mat (thanks!!) and that was the end of the crab saga just in time for our trip! | Notify Elon as soon as possible he has a good relationship with the crab people | Unless there is some way to lure crabs with food you will probably need to visit the service center. | 71 | 23 | 1,220 |
6m5byr | 129 | Help! There s a small crab in the underbelly of my Model S. Ok so kids caught a little crab on the beach today and decided to take it home. Crab got loose in the backseat then made its way under the driver s seat. There s a plastic thing there with a hole that seems to lead to somewhere underneath the car. Does anyone know where that leads? I heard the crab running around tonight definitely on plastic or metal surface so have a strong feeling he is under there. Any advice!?!?! Edit: 🦀 not 💩 Edit UPDATE: I woke up the next morning and there was no more movement in the car. So we went home never found the crab. 2 days later I get into the car and it smells like a full on crab shack!! I was planning a cross country trip and so needed this situation dealt with ASAP. The day before we were set to leave the smell was getting worse so I called Tesla and asked them for a miracle. Said I needed this crab found and also needed a replacement for my front rubber mat. He said he would do his best to squeeze me in. I drove over there and when I got there and took out the rubber mat I saw what looked like a tiny claw poking out from the normal mat I had beneath the rubber one. I picked that up and there he was! Crabby now rather flattened. I scraped him off the mat and threw him out of the car Tesla replaced my mat (thanks!!) and that was the end of the crab saga just in time for our trip! | That rectangular hole is the air vent for the rear passenger foot well. Put on the heat or ac crank up the fan and select the air to blow at your feet that might flush him out of the ducting if it doesn t like the wind | Crap | 48 | 5 | 1,221 |
6mb842 | 93 | Model 3 - Body Structure Frame I was driving around the Tesla Fremont factory and spotted a silver Model 3 driving around. I decided to chase it but it went about half a mile south of the main factory and pulled into another building s loading dock. It was an unmarked building but clearly looked like Tesla was moving in. Anything about this in the news? I drove around the building and there were a 15-30 Model S and Xs out back. They looked pretty dirty with bumpers missing or body damage. However I did see this which appears to be a Model 3 frame structure. Not sure if we can glean anything from this but I m sure some of you will enjoy the picture. http: imgur.com a 629QU | That passenger door gap is terrible. Hope they fixed it on the final production. s | I hope I can prevent holes being drilled on the front fascia for the license plate braket :( | 68 | 9 | 1,222 |
6mb842 | 93 | Model 3 - Body Structure Frame I was driving around the Tesla Fremont factory and spotted a silver Model 3 driving around. I decided to chase it but it went about half a mile south of the main factory and pulled into another building s loading dock. It was an unmarked building but clearly looked like Tesla was moving in. Anything about this in the news? I drove around the building and there were a 15-30 Model S and Xs out back. They looked pretty dirty with bumpers missing or body damage. However I did see this which appears to be a Model 3 frame structure. Not sure if we can glean anything from this but I m sure some of you will enjoy the picture. http: imgur.com a 629QU | That passenger door gap is terrible. Hope they fixed it on the final production. s | Great find! | 68 | 28 | 1,223 |
6mczhe | 24 | Thoughts on the final Model 3 unveiling. Feedback for the Tesla team if they read this. People taking delivery should be relatable to the masses. I ve seen a couple of folks in the TMC forum mention this. I think it s worth bringing up here. For the final unveiling on the 28th the live stream should focus on the average employee taking delivery of their Model 3. It should NOT be focused on Elon (and his inner circle) taking delivery. That can happen off camera. The Model 3 is the car for EVERYONE so the live stream should convey this by having the typical Tesla SpaceX employee (engineer technician production line worker receptionist etc.) take delivery. This is a huge opportunity to position the Model 3 as an (affordable) EV for the masses. Don t waste it Tesla by having billionaires and multi millionaires on stage taking delivery. I would have these folks be the ones handing the keys over to the (happy) new owners. | I only care about the car not who is getting one. | I just hope that a few might go to some reputable reviewers so that I can justify putting down my deposit! | 72 | 4 | 1,224 |
6mczhe | 24 | Thoughts on the final Model 3 unveiling. Feedback for the Tesla team if they read this. People taking delivery should be relatable to the masses. I ve seen a couple of folks in the TMC forum mention this. I think it s worth bringing up here. For the final unveiling on the 28th the live stream should focus on the average employee taking delivery of their Model 3. It should NOT be focused on Elon (and his inner circle) taking delivery. That can happen off camera. The Model 3 is the car for EVERYONE so the live stream should convey this by having the typical Tesla SpaceX employee (engineer technician production line worker receptionist etc.) take delivery. This is a huge opportunity to position the Model 3 as an (affordable) EV for the masses. Don t waste it Tesla by having billionaires and multi millionaires on stage taking delivery. I would have these folks be the ones handing the keys over to the (happy) new owners. | I only care about the car not who is getting one. | The masses aren t watching the event nor can they buy this car any time soon. Why does it matter who they sell the first 30 to? | 72 | 25 | 1,225 |
6mfqx9 | 38 | Tow mode question - can you tow a Model S X without using tow mode? (ie if a car is parked illegally can they tow it?) If a Tesla is parked illegally could a tow company even tow it? Or would they need the owner to engage tow mode in order to put the car in neutral and allow it to be moved? | Do you believe that the traction of two wheels on the ground exceeds the traction of a much heavier tow vehicle designed to drag other things around (with the added weight of the half of the Tesla hanging from the rear)? You can tow just about anything. For 4 wheel drive vehicles you ll see an additional set of tow wheels that lift the other end off the ground - so all 4 wheels of the towed vehicle are off the ground. If there s no way to install those (you re close to the curb) they simply drag the vehicle out away from the curb so they can install them. Towing an illegally parked car is one of those things where brute force solves most known problems. It doesn t solve the problems that brute force creates for the owner of the illegally parked vehicle (Subarus can get their center differential mostly destroyed by towing the with one end off the ground in short order) but hey. You parked illegally. Seriously. They can tow a Model S or X without tow mode with the parking brake on with a stick between the driver s seat and the brake pedal. You may not like the result but it ll get moved. | Yes as with any car they could just like up the locked wheels and tow it away. That would be the back wheels for a Tesla although towing could damage the front drive unit | 42 | 3 | 1,226 |
6mgix5 | 21 | Can you tour the Fremont Factory if you have a Model 3 reservation? I m going to be in the Bay Area in two weeks and I have a reservation for a Model 3. I d really like to tour the factory while I m there. Everything I ve heard says that you can get in if you have a Model S or X reservation. Seeing as how it s just a deposit and not a full reservation plus Model 3 s are a dime a dozen I was curious if I d still be allowed in. Any advice or information would be appreciated | No | I think you can tour without a reservation. I went a year and a half back without a problem. Call ahead because YMMV | 45 | 6 | 1,227 |
6mgix5 | 21 | Can you tour the Fremont Factory if you have a Model 3 reservation? I m going to be in the Bay Area in two weeks and I have a reservation for a Model 3. I d really like to tour the factory while I m there. Everything I ve heard says that you can get in if you have a Model S or X reservation. Seeing as how it s just a deposit and not a full reservation plus Model 3 s are a dime a dozen I was curious if I d still be allowed in. Any advice or information would be appreciated | No | There are 400 000 reservation holders. Imagine the mess if even 1% would ask for tours in a working factory that is super-busy ramping up production. | 45 | 14 | 1,228 |
6mixt7 | 40 | Anyone know where can I rate Destination Chargers? We stayed at a hotel the other night because it had a destination charger. This is the sole reason why we stayed there. The experience was [terrible](https: www.tripadvisor.com Hotel_Review-g48261-d80119-Reviews-The_Red_Coach_Inn_Historic_Bed_and_Breakfast_Hotel-Niagara_Falls_New_York.html). Other than sifting through reviews on TripAdvisor does anyone know of a way to rate destination chargers? (I also posted my review to plugshare but I m not sure if that site is used by many). | Plugshare is used by a LOT of EV drivers so that is a good start. I always check plugshare even for destination chargers. | You could probably write a review on yelp too | 43 | 2 | 1,229 |
6mj7mq | 25 | Would be cool if Elon could do a video review of his new car that Ira Ehrenpreis bought for him. Can anyone hit him up on Twitter or something and ask him to do one. Or maybe just an AMA about his new car? | According to the [Model 3 FAQ thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6maygo model_3_faq_thread_please_post_all_questions ) Elon already has a video show and tell scheduled for July 28 so hang tight :D | Would be better if he loaned it to Bjorn for a week | 45 | 7 | 1,230 |
6mj7mq | 25 | Would be cool if Elon could do a video review of his new car that Ira Ehrenpreis bought for him. Can anyone hit him up on Twitter or something and ask him to do one. Or maybe just an AMA about his new car? | According to the [Model 3 FAQ thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6maygo model_3_faq_thread_please_post_all_questions ) Elon already has a video show and tell scheduled for July 28 so hang tight :D | I think the spot in line was given to him not the car. | 45 | 18 | 1,231 |
6mmu52 | 86 | Model 3 Unveil Event Predictions We re a few weeks away from the big event. Now is probably a great time to make some bold predictions not just around the car but the event. My big prediction would be that if the unveil event takes place at the Hawthorne location they will make use of new tunnel and elevator to deliver the Model 3s. It seems that the elevator install came a lot earlier than any of us expected. Could the event be driving the installation of these features? Also if you notice the photos the construction site is being kept very clean almost as if it is going to be accessible by customers. Everything is also already paved to allow for vehicles to access the tunnel. I could be wrong in this prediction but it would be a perfect marketing opportunity. Post other event predictions if you have any. EDIT: This event is happening at the Fremont location and not in Hawthorne. No Tunnel Elevator :( | I boldly predict that the event won t start until at least 30 minutes after the scheduled start time. | ###& #009 ######& #009 ####& #009 Acronyms initialisms abbreviations contractions and other phrases which expand to something larger that I ve seen in this thread: |Fewer Letters|More Letters| |-------|---------|---| |[75D]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk344hb Last usage )|75kWh battery dual motors| |[AP]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk471na Last usage )|AutoPilot (semi-autonomous vehicle control)| |[AP1]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk471na Last usage )|AutoPilot v1 semi-autonomous vehicle control (in cars built before 2016-10-19)| |[AP2]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk7ckqq Last usage )|AutoPilot v2 Enhanced Autopilot full autonomy (in cars built after 2016-10-19) [in development]| |[AWD]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk565dy Last usage )|All Wheel Drive| |[CCS]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk34c4h Last usage )|[Combined Charging System](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Combined_Charging_System)| |[FSD]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk471na Last usage )|Fully Self Autonomous Driving see AP2| |[HUD]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3voyu Last usage )|Head(s)-Up Display often implemented as a projection| |[HW2]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3ehcv Last usage )|Vehicle hardware capable of supporting AutoPilot v2 (Enhanced AutoPilot full autonomy)| |[J1772]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk34c4h Last usage )|[SAE North American](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki SAE_J1772) charging connector standard| |Li-ion|[Lithium-ion battery](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Lithium-ion_battery) first released 1991| |[M3]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3ganc Last usage )|BMW performance sedan ^([Tesla M3 will never be a thing])| |[NHTSA]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk38acc Last usage )|(US) National Highway Traffic Safety Administration| |[P100DL]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3g9tn Last usage )|100kWh battery dual motors performance and Ludicrous upgrades| |[RC]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3di9b Last usage )|Release Candidate more often ascribed to software releases| |[RWD]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk565dy Last usage )|Rear Wheel Drive| |[S75]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3sfir Last usage )|Model S 75kWh battery| |SAE|[Society of Automotive Engineers](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki SAE_International)| |[T3]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3ganc Last usage )|Tesla model 3| |[TACC]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3ex8f Last usage )|Traffic-Aware Cruise Control (see AP)| |[TMC]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3di9b Last usage )|[Tesla Motors Club forum](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc forums )| |[kWh]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3f3wl Last usage )|Kilowatt-hours electrical energy unit (3.6MJ)| |[2170]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3g9tn Last usage )|Li-ion cell 21mm diameter 70mm high| |[18650]( r TeslaMotors comments 6mmu52 dk3f3wl Last usage )|Li-ion cell 18.6mm diameter 65.2mm high| ---------------- ^(22 acronyms in this thread )[^the ^most ^compressed ^thread ^commented ^on ^today]( r TeslaMotors comments 6maygo)^( has 37 acronyms.) ^([Thread #1804 for this sub first seen 11th Jul 2017 17:37]) [^\\[FAQ\\]](http: decronym.xyz ) [^\\[Contact\\]](https: reddit.com message compose?to=OrangeredStilton& subject=Hey +your+acronym+bot+sucks) [^\\[Source ^code\\]](https: gist.github.com Two9A 1d976f9b7441694162c8) | 91 | 2 | 1,232 |
6mmu52 | 86 | Model 3 Unveil Event Predictions We re a few weeks away from the big event. Now is probably a great time to make some bold predictions not just around the car but the event. My big prediction would be that if the unveil event takes place at the Hawthorne location they will make use of new tunnel and elevator to deliver the Model 3s. It seems that the elevator install came a lot earlier than any of us expected. Could the event be driving the installation of these features? Also if you notice the photos the construction site is being kept very clean almost as if it is going to be accessible by customers. Everything is also already paved to allow for vehicles to access the tunnel. I could be wrong in this prediction but it would be a perfect marketing opportunity. Post other event predictions if you have any. EDIT: This event is happening at the Fremont location and not in Hawthorne. No Tunnel Elevator :( | I boldly predict that the event won t start until at least 30 minutes after the scheduled start time. | They will certainly reveal the initial configurable options. I m most curious to see what the available upgrades to battery and performance will initially be and how much they ll cost. I doubt there will be any big new feature except for perhaps the upgraded super chargers being able to cool the battery as others have speculated. | 91 | 5 | 1,233 |
6mmu52 | 86 | Model 3 Unveil Event Predictions We re a few weeks away from the big event. Now is probably a great time to make some bold predictions not just around the car but the event. My big prediction would be that if the unveil event takes place at the Hawthorne location they will make use of new tunnel and elevator to deliver the Model 3s. It seems that the elevator install came a lot earlier than any of us expected. Could the event be driving the installation of these features? Also if you notice the photos the construction site is being kept very clean almost as if it is going to be accessible by customers. Everything is also already paved to allow for vehicles to access the tunnel. I could be wrong in this prediction but it would be a perfect marketing opportunity. Post other event predictions if you have any. EDIT: This event is happening at the Fremont location and not in Hawthorne. No Tunnel Elevator :( | I boldly predict that the event won t start until at least 30 minutes after the scheduled start time. | I think the final reveal on the 28th will just be Elon and others handing off the keys to the lucky 30 who are getting their cars and most likely they ll also be enabling the online configuartor showing off the final rear badges- and thus telling us the final numbers for the size of the battery and the range when we could potentially be getting the AWD version what other upgrades will be available (bigger battery potential P version etc) and what the final numbers will be in terms of price... I don t expect there to be many surprises- this s just some general positive PR show and things like that. My guess on surprises would be perhaps slightly better range than the original estimate of 215 miles maybe something about safety tests... I fully expect the final fully loaded Model 3 will be perhaps at most 5-10K less than the cheapest Model S and the performance one will be slightly better than a base S but obviously well behind the upper level models of the S or X for that matter. Honestly i m more interested in seeing my favorite car reviewers actually review these cars a couple months or year from now than what will most likely just be a basic show telling us more or less what we already know.. | 91 | 10 | 1,234 |
6muckj | 344 | Petition to install public chargers at all National Parks https: www.change.org p director-of-the-national-park-service-install-charging-stations-in-all-national-parks | I hope that someday places like Yosemite that can get choked with exhaust just outright ban gas powered vehicles in the valley. You can take an electric shuttle or drive an EV those are the only two motorized options. | https: cleantechnica.com 2017 04 19 bmw-installing-100-ev-charging-stations-atnear-us-national-parks | 79 | 10 | 1,235 |
6muckj | 344 | Petition to install public chargers at all National Parks https: www.change.org p director-of-the-national-park-service-install-charging-stations-in-all-national-parks | I hope that someday places like Yosemite that can get choked with exhaust just outright ban gas powered vehicles in the valley. You can take an electric shuttle or drive an EV those are the only two motorized options. | Not with this administration and Congress. You know they actually voted a few years ago to install EV charging stations on Capitol Hill. They ve yet to do so. | 79 | 14 | 1,236 |
6muckj | 344 | Petition to install public chargers at all National Parks https: www.change.org p director-of-the-national-park-service-install-charging-stations-in-all-national-parks | I hope that someday places like Yosemite that can get choked with exhaust just outright ban gas powered vehicles in the valley. You can take an electric shuttle or drive an EV those are the only two motorized options. | It s not like we just wish that infrastructure into place. I think we d have a thing to say about a petition to cut down this and flatten that to build gas stations in the middle of all national parks to make visiting them easier. Sure this probably is less invasive but it s almost certainly not going to be a nothing install at some either. Late Edit: This is a minor aside and I know not everything is a Tesla with hundreds of miles of range but I also don t know if all this charger fever sends the wrong messages to people on the fence. Like they d be a nice benefit (the best chargers are ones where you re going not ones on the way) but I wonder if people that are already leary about EVs are hearing an implied ....because you can t go 15 feet in an EV unless there s a charger there when all the people that have one want chargers installed everywhere? I ve always been of the opinion that highlighting the superchargers as a reason to go Telsa is a double edged sword because it perpetuates a gas station mindset in a world where you ll rarely be stopping ANYWHERE to charge. You re burying the lede on the real advantage by talking about Superchargers. Late late addendum: I have no objection to installing chargers where it would be painless to install them. Why would I? To the extent this was an objection at all rather than just a remember to consider the objection was just the blanket *all*. It might not make any sense at all at plenty of them. To borrow from another comment of mine in reference to there often being a visitors center that already has electricity at most parks: Having electricity and being able to supply 2-10 EVs with a meaningful amount of electricity are potentially very different things. Tesla often has to beef up the surrounding infrastructure in a parking lot of a strip mall near civilization with 2-5 restaurants running industrial kitchens 20 feet away. Safe bet it s not a given charging (with any speed to matter) can just be dropped outside the visitors shack otherwise in the boonies. (I don t know if these have to be top of the line rapid chargers but presumably this doesn t just mean install some outlets so we can get 6 miles of range while we visit either.) | 79 | 27 | 1,237 |
6n3l4x | 53 | Tesla Denmark has lost all equity selling 95% fewer cars in 2016 Brief translation of this article (which has a lovely nose-diving chart): http: finans.dk erhverv ECE9722403 tesla-bloeder-penge-i-danmark-saelger-95-pct-faerre-biler There is now proof that Tesla has problems in Denmark after the release of the 2016 financial statement of the Danish division of Tesla. A record setting deficit of 15 million DKK (2 3 million USD) after sales had dropped 95% from 2.814 cars in 2015 to just 127 cars in 2016. The deficit means the company has lost all equity and has agreed to be supported by the mother company for another 15 months starting June 30th. (No mention of what will happen after that and also not if it was June 30th 2016 or 2017.) In 2017 sales levels are expected to be roughly the same as 2016. (In fact they are much lower with only 14 Teslas sold so far.) Our service and and sales organization has stabilized and we predict no significant investments or additions to staff in the near future. it was written in the financial statement. In 2016 82 people worked at Tesla Denmark 30 more than the year before. The Danish EV Alliance claims the drop in sales is due to increased car registration taxes of which EVs were exempt which have affected all EVs. The very limited sales made the government pause the gradual rise in the car registration tax back in April to kickstart EV sales again until 5000 more cars have been sold. (I could not find a link to the financial statement.) | I m surprised that sales dropped *only* 60% once the 180% tax on imported cars was reinstated in Denmark. https: www.bloomberg.com news articles 2017-06-02 denmark-is-killing-tesla-and-other-electric-cars | Can anyone clarify? I thought Tesla was really strong in Denmark | 45 | 2 | 1,238 |
6n3l4x | 53 | Tesla Denmark has lost all equity selling 95% fewer cars in 2016 Brief translation of this article (which has a lovely nose-diving chart): http: finans.dk erhverv ECE9722403 tesla-bloeder-penge-i-danmark-saelger-95-pct-faerre-biler There is now proof that Tesla has problems in Denmark after the release of the 2016 financial statement of the Danish division of Tesla. A record setting deficit of 15 million DKK (2 3 million USD) after sales had dropped 95% from 2.814 cars in 2015 to just 127 cars in 2016. The deficit means the company has lost all equity and has agreed to be supported by the mother company for another 15 months starting June 30th. (No mention of what will happen after that and also not if it was June 30th 2016 or 2017.) In 2017 sales levels are expected to be roughly the same as 2016. (In fact they are much lower with only 14 Teslas sold so far.) Our service and and sales organization has stabilized and we predict no significant investments or additions to staff in the near future. it was written in the financial statement. In 2016 82 people worked at Tesla Denmark 30 more than the year before. The Danish EV Alliance claims the drop in sales is due to increased car registration taxes of which EVs were exempt which have affected all EVs. The very limited sales made the government pause the gradual rise in the car registration tax back in April to kickstart EV sales again until 5000 more cars have been sold. (I could not find a link to the financial statement.) | Could it also be that most Danes who want a Tesla now have them? It s not a large country and it has a population of slightly less than Wisconsin the 20th most populous US state. | Can anyone clarify? I thought Tesla was really strong in Denmark | 34 | 2 | 1,239 |
6na0zz | 26 | Will Tesla Be First To L4 Autonomy? So Audi is the first company to offer a production car that has L3 autonomy: http: spectrum.ieee.org cars-that-think transportation self-driving the-audi-a8-the-worlds-first-production-car-to-achieve-level-3-autonomy Does anyone think Tesla will catch up and or pass them? I know we ve been told that Tesla s far ahead of the rest of the industry on this front but...Audi is building L3 cars this year. Tesla still hasn t figured out how to make AP2 better than AP1. | I m not sure there can really be a first to Level-4 because there are no explicitly defined entry points. Audi s marketing department is pushing this claim to be first to Level-3 because you will be able to drive a limited distance on a limited number of divided highways under a limited set of restrictions without having to watch the road. Is that a first? And if that is a first what is preventing companies like Tesla from just removing the safety restrictions on their autopilot for certain roads and claiming to offer the same thing sooner? It s important to remember these levels are just an arbitrarily-selected bureaucratic mental framework designed by the SAE to describe technological maturity. SAE s method is an adapted form of technology readiness levels (TRLs) but for autonomous driving. It is a useful framework for policy makers when they make regulatory decisions but it does not describe actual technological progression accurately. The real world is iterative and probabilistic not defined by clear boundaries and deterministic like Audi s marketing department wants you to believe. There will not be clearly defined entry points so it s not useful to focus on these artificial boundaries in my opinion. Level-4 capability will occur randomly and sporadically when some routes offered by some company happen to require no intervention from humans. Gradually more routes will enter the picture until eventually most routes require no human intervention. This will play out separately for separate OEMs. Eventually some amount of OEM players will reach the point where their cars can drive the majority of routes with probably no human intervention. At this point people can refer to the SAE framework to confidently say that society has reached Level-4. But it will be a non-issue because cars will have already been performing on par with Level-4 in restricted settings and gradually improving in frequency over time. | Likely. At least to mass consumers. We may still see L3 as enhanced autopilot first before we get L4 in a couple of years. Waymo is light-years ahead but they ve been at it way longer. Tesla s edge is the training data but even that is useless without the right engineers. It s too bad we don t get monthly progress reports on each company. Also L4 means you can trust your car with your life Tesla won t take that on lightly. Thorough validations need to happen that could take a year in itself. FSD is mostly a solved problem as we ve been doing it since 2012 but that last gap to close to go from 99% to virtually 100% safety has been the toughest. Once the FSD singularity has been accomplished everyone will follow right after. | 37 | 10 | 1,240 |
6nanze | 185 | Last update may have bricked my car Kind of a PSA. I have a 2013 Model S. Yesterday morning it was pretty dead. Literally the only things I could do were open the charge port and flash the lights with the phone app. Talked to phone support and they said the last thing the logs show was a successful firmware update. Roadside assistance came out and tried to jump the 12V battery but it didn t work. Tesla service has had it for a day now and they say it s looking like at least a week as apparently they have still have no idea what s wrong with it as they haven t been able to get any diagnostics out of it. Also my wallet and keys are locked in the glove compartment. Yay. | I m shocked the service center doesn t have a means to generate and push in a complete image reload possibly from an earlier version just to get the vehicle working again. Reinstall the OS is a pretty standard fix when you don t know what s wrong and you re getting desperate. | There is a way to open the glove compartment manually. | 109 | 10 | 1,241 |
6nanze | 185 | Last update may have bricked my car Kind of a PSA. I have a 2013 Model S. Yesterday morning it was pretty dead. Literally the only things I could do were open the charge port and flash the lights with the phone app. Talked to phone support and they said the last thing the logs show was a successful firmware update. Roadside assistance came out and tried to jump the 12V battery but it didn t work. Tesla service has had it for a day now and they say it s looking like at least a week as apparently they have still have no idea what s wrong with it as they haven t been able to get any diagnostics out of it. Also my wallet and keys are locked in the glove compartment. Yay. | I m shocked the service center doesn t have a means to generate and push in a complete image reload possibly from an earlier version just to get the vehicle working again. Reinstall the OS is a pretty standard fix when you don t know what s wrong and you re getting desperate. | The caveats of a digital world. | 109 | 13 | 1,242 |
6nanze | 185 | Last update may have bricked my car Kind of a PSA. I have a 2013 Model S. Yesterday morning it was pretty dead. Literally the only things I could do were open the charge port and flash the lights with the phone app. Talked to phone support and they said the last thing the logs show was a successful firmware update. Roadside assistance came out and tried to jump the 12V battery but it didn t work. Tesla service has had it for a day now and they say it s looking like at least a week as apparently they have still have no idea what s wrong with it as they haven t been able to get any diagnostics out of it. Also my wallet and keys are locked in the glove compartment. Yay. | I m shocked the service center doesn t have a means to generate and push in a complete image reload possibly from an earlier version just to get the vehicle working again. Reinstall the OS is a pretty standard fix when you don t know what s wrong and you re getting desperate. | My last update semi bricked my car. It was stuck in a reboot loop. Techs from Tesla headquarters were able to remotely fix it somehow (by factory resetting it I m guessing since it cleared a lot of my settings). | 109 | 15 | 1,243 |
6nnrd1 | 65 | What engine sound will Teslas make starting July 2019? In the EU the Acoustic Vehicle Alerting System AVAS is mandatory for electric (and other silent) vehicles from 0-30 km h starting July 2019. The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has a similar rule also starting 2019. [The EU even proposed this example sound for the AVAS](http: www.unece.org fileadmin DAM for_PR_Silent_car__AVAS_sound.mp3) Do we know what the sound will be? Nissan Leaf already has it and [the sound it makes is really annoying](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3yO5msMEGZI). I know that VW opted for a sound identical to the ICE version of the car - pretty boring but not annoying. [2016 Toyota Prius is making this noise](https: youtu.be 6PliPyvcbUU?t=30) Any idea what Tesla will do? | I hope it s the sound from the cars spaceships from **The Jetsons**. That would be an awesome way to troll the regulation. And if _anyone_ can pull this off is Elon Musk. | It should have some default noise built in but allow custom sound files to be supplied by the owner. Just make it so that when you set the noise in the car s settings it gets validated by Tesla computer servers to ensure it matches volume and pitch requirements mandated by the standard. Only when validated does it replace the default. Seriously I think we need to petition Musk on this. | 78 | 9 | 1,244 |
6nnrd1 | 65 | What engine sound will Teslas make starting July 2019? In the EU the Acoustic Vehicle Alerting System AVAS is mandatory for electric (and other silent) vehicles from 0-30 km h starting July 2019. The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has a similar rule also starting 2019. [The EU even proposed this example sound for the AVAS](http: www.unece.org fileadmin DAM for_PR_Silent_car__AVAS_sound.mp3) Do we know what the sound will be? Nissan Leaf already has it and [the sound it makes is really annoying](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3yO5msMEGZI). I know that VW opted for a sound identical to the ICE version of the car - pretty boring but not annoying. [2016 Toyota Prius is making this noise](https: youtu.be 6PliPyvcbUU?t=30) Any idea what Tesla will do? | I hope it s the sound from the cars spaceships from **The Jetsons**. That would be an awesome way to troll the regulation. And if _anyone_ can pull this off is Elon Musk. | hudhudhudhudhudhudhud huuuudhudhudhudh. HUD 2019 CONFIRMED. | 78 | 12 | 1,245 |
6nnrd1 | 65 | What engine sound will Teslas make starting July 2019? In the EU the Acoustic Vehicle Alerting System AVAS is mandatory for electric (and other silent) vehicles from 0-30 km h starting July 2019. The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has a similar rule also starting 2019. [The EU even proposed this example sound for the AVAS](http: www.unece.org fileadmin DAM for_PR_Silent_car__AVAS_sound.mp3) Do we know what the sound will be? Nissan Leaf already has it and [the sound it makes is really annoying](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3yO5msMEGZI). I know that VW opted for a sound identical to the ICE version of the car - pretty boring but not annoying. [2016 Toyota Prius is making this noise](https: youtu.be 6PliPyvcbUU?t=30) Any idea what Tesla will do? | This is so stupid I have a hard time trying to wrap my head around it. Finally silent cars and then they must make noise by law?!?! | It should have some default noise built in but allow custom sound files to be supplied by the owner. Just make it so that when you set the noise in the car s settings it gets validated by Tesla computer servers to ensure it matches volume and pitch requirements mandated by the standard. Only when validated does it replace the default. Seriously I think we need to petition Musk on this. | 74 | 9 | 1,246 |
6noiln | 64 | Demand for Model Y I ve heard Elon say demand for the Model Y will be greater than that for the Model 3. What warrants this? | Cross over and suv sales have been higher than sedan sales for the past few years and is expected to stay that way. Therefore the y will have more demand | Look out the window and count how many new SUVs you see drive by. | 98 | 26 | 1,247 |
6nq5pl | 159 | AP1 vs AP2 observations I m a 2017 Model S (AP2) owner who recently rented a 2016 Model X (AP1) through Turo when we went on vacation. I d like to get my wife out of her gas guzzler and into the X. So I put her behind the wheel of an X for a week hoping she d fall in love. On this point the rental was mostly successful woo-hoo! Anyway I also have thoughts on AP. I use AP2 all the time. 90% of my highway driving is AP2 which works well. I also do 50% of my non-highway driving w AP2 just for fun. Off highway AP2 doesn t work so well. I have a high risk tolerance a background in software testing and am happy to help train the car s software. I hit report bug several times per week. I ve bumped a few curbs :( but that s the price of progress I guess After driving an old AP1 car for about a week I wanted to share my observations. The TL DR is that AP1 is *much* better than my AP2 (sorry Elon). Hopefully they ll keep working on it and AP2 will eventually get better. What specifically did I observe in AP1 that s better than AP2? - AP1 can see 3 lanes of traffic. It shows my lane plus the two adjacent lanes. I only see my lane in AP2. - AP1 can tell when you re in the right-most or left-most lane. In these cases it correctly shows two lanes only (not three). While I didn t attempt it you probably can t accidentally drive off the highway with an erroneous turn signal when switching lanes. - AP1 shows vehicles in all three (or two) lanes. It uses the front facing camera only (side cameras are AP2 HW) and cars disappear as they pull alongside. Even though it has more cameras AP2 sees one lane and shows cars in that lane only. - AP1 can see the difference between cars trucks and motorcycles. I d never seen a truck or motorcycle on the display in AP2. It was a cool surprise. - AP1 is really smooth even off highway. There s no ping-ponging around the lane (like in AP2). My middle school daughter jokes that I m going to get pulled over for drunk driving on AP2 (off highway) Think we can convince the police officer that it was AP and not you driving so crazy? Can you get arrested for that? I joke that AP2 is like a near-sighted slightly inebriated teenage permit holder. My other daughter just got her driver s permit and she took offense I m not nearly that bad!!! Just to be clear both AP1 and AP2 work well on the highway. AP2 struggles off the highway when road configurations become more varied and lane markings less clear. Anyway I m a huge Tesla supporter and eagerly await AP2 improvements. I DO think that AP2 still has a long way to go to reach AP1-parity. (OK flame retardant suit on...) I think Elon has been prone to exaggeration on autonomous driving. He s talking about driving cross-country when AP2 still lags *last year s* MobileEye-based system. I suspect he may be able to do the x-country trip... if he picks the right parking lots on either end and the right superchargers in between and makes 500 attempts like the Paint it Black video around Palo Alto. This experience makes me wonder whether Tesla is actually better at autonomous driving or just better *talking* about it. Elon s great at pitching the future. If AP1 is still better than AP2 then does that mean the Intel MobileEye platform is better than Nvidia? Will other carmakers AP systems be better? I guess we ll see when they start launching and getting reviewed. The one thing that Tesla has going for it is risk-tolerance. They ll throw software out there get learnings feedback and make progress. Would be interested to hear other people s thoughts... | Elon is a salesman. Once I realized that everything became clear. Believe some of what he says trust his intentions but never take him literally. | Did you get the most recent update? That seems to have fixed all the drunk driving you re talking about. The thing I ve noticed about AP2 in it s current form is that it s really good when it can see the lanes but it can t always see the lanes. Especially going through things like intersections. | 36 | 4 | 1,248 |
6nq5pl | 159 | AP1 vs AP2 observations I m a 2017 Model S (AP2) owner who recently rented a 2016 Model X (AP1) through Turo when we went on vacation. I d like to get my wife out of her gas guzzler and into the X. So I put her behind the wheel of an X for a week hoping she d fall in love. On this point the rental was mostly successful woo-hoo! Anyway I also have thoughts on AP. I use AP2 all the time. 90% of my highway driving is AP2 which works well. I also do 50% of my non-highway driving w AP2 just for fun. Off highway AP2 doesn t work so well. I have a high risk tolerance a background in software testing and am happy to help train the car s software. I hit report bug several times per week. I ve bumped a few curbs :( but that s the price of progress I guess After driving an old AP1 car for about a week I wanted to share my observations. The TL DR is that AP1 is *much* better than my AP2 (sorry Elon). Hopefully they ll keep working on it and AP2 will eventually get better. What specifically did I observe in AP1 that s better than AP2? - AP1 can see 3 lanes of traffic. It shows my lane plus the two adjacent lanes. I only see my lane in AP2. - AP1 can tell when you re in the right-most or left-most lane. In these cases it correctly shows two lanes only (not three). While I didn t attempt it you probably can t accidentally drive off the highway with an erroneous turn signal when switching lanes. - AP1 shows vehicles in all three (or two) lanes. It uses the front facing camera only (side cameras are AP2 HW) and cars disappear as they pull alongside. Even though it has more cameras AP2 sees one lane and shows cars in that lane only. - AP1 can see the difference between cars trucks and motorcycles. I d never seen a truck or motorcycle on the display in AP2. It was a cool surprise. - AP1 is really smooth even off highway. There s no ping-ponging around the lane (like in AP2). My middle school daughter jokes that I m going to get pulled over for drunk driving on AP2 (off highway) Think we can convince the police officer that it was AP and not you driving so crazy? Can you get arrested for that? I joke that AP2 is like a near-sighted slightly inebriated teenage permit holder. My other daughter just got her driver s permit and she took offense I m not nearly that bad!!! Just to be clear both AP1 and AP2 work well on the highway. AP2 struggles off the highway when road configurations become more varied and lane markings less clear. Anyway I m a huge Tesla supporter and eagerly await AP2 improvements. I DO think that AP2 still has a long way to go to reach AP1-parity. (OK flame retardant suit on...) I think Elon has been prone to exaggeration on autonomous driving. He s talking about driving cross-country when AP2 still lags *last year s* MobileEye-based system. I suspect he may be able to do the x-country trip... if he picks the right parking lots on either end and the right superchargers in between and makes 500 attempts like the Paint it Black video around Palo Alto. This experience makes me wonder whether Tesla is actually better at autonomous driving or just better *talking* about it. Elon s great at pitching the future. If AP1 is still better than AP2 then does that mean the Intel MobileEye platform is better than Nvidia? Will other carmakers AP systems be better? I guess we ll see when they start launching and getting reviewed. The one thing that Tesla has going for it is risk-tolerance. They ll throw software out there get learnings feedback and make progress. Would be interested to hear other people s thoughts... | Elon is a salesman. Once I realized that everything became clear. Believe some of what he says trust his intentions but never take him literally. | Always good to hear about firsthand experience. Couple questions - obviously the roads weren t the same since you were on vacation but would you say they were pretty similar as far as types and general layout? Clarity of lane markings dividers? Grade and curvature? That would be the one thing that sticks out to me relatively minor differences in roads can lead to drastically different behaviour from these kinds of systems. > If AP1 is still better than AP2 then does that mean the Intel MobileEye platform is better than Nvidia? I d hesitate to draw conclusions about a platform as a whole based on the overall implementation. Software is a massive part of it the most difficult part by far. > The one thing that Tesla has going for it is risk-tolerance. They ll throw software out there get learnings feedback and make progress. Definitely agree on that although I wonder if that will bite them in the ass at some point. | 36 | 5 | 1,249 |
6nq5pl | 159 | AP1 vs AP2 observations I m a 2017 Model S (AP2) owner who recently rented a 2016 Model X (AP1) through Turo when we went on vacation. I d like to get my wife out of her gas guzzler and into the X. So I put her behind the wheel of an X for a week hoping she d fall in love. On this point the rental was mostly successful woo-hoo! Anyway I also have thoughts on AP. I use AP2 all the time. 90% of my highway driving is AP2 which works well. I also do 50% of my non-highway driving w AP2 just for fun. Off highway AP2 doesn t work so well. I have a high risk tolerance a background in software testing and am happy to help train the car s software. I hit report bug several times per week. I ve bumped a few curbs :( but that s the price of progress I guess After driving an old AP1 car for about a week I wanted to share my observations. The TL DR is that AP1 is *much* better than my AP2 (sorry Elon). Hopefully they ll keep working on it and AP2 will eventually get better. What specifically did I observe in AP1 that s better than AP2? - AP1 can see 3 lanes of traffic. It shows my lane plus the two adjacent lanes. I only see my lane in AP2. - AP1 can tell when you re in the right-most or left-most lane. In these cases it correctly shows two lanes only (not three). While I didn t attempt it you probably can t accidentally drive off the highway with an erroneous turn signal when switching lanes. - AP1 shows vehicles in all three (or two) lanes. It uses the front facing camera only (side cameras are AP2 HW) and cars disappear as they pull alongside. Even though it has more cameras AP2 sees one lane and shows cars in that lane only. - AP1 can see the difference between cars trucks and motorcycles. I d never seen a truck or motorcycle on the display in AP2. It was a cool surprise. - AP1 is really smooth even off highway. There s no ping-ponging around the lane (like in AP2). My middle school daughter jokes that I m going to get pulled over for drunk driving on AP2 (off highway) Think we can convince the police officer that it was AP and not you driving so crazy? Can you get arrested for that? I joke that AP2 is like a near-sighted slightly inebriated teenage permit holder. My other daughter just got her driver s permit and she took offense I m not nearly that bad!!! Just to be clear both AP1 and AP2 work well on the highway. AP2 struggles off the highway when road configurations become more varied and lane markings less clear. Anyway I m a huge Tesla supporter and eagerly await AP2 improvements. I DO think that AP2 still has a long way to go to reach AP1-parity. (OK flame retardant suit on...) I think Elon has been prone to exaggeration on autonomous driving. He s talking about driving cross-country when AP2 still lags *last year s* MobileEye-based system. I suspect he may be able to do the x-country trip... if he picks the right parking lots on either end and the right superchargers in between and makes 500 attempts like the Paint it Black video around Palo Alto. This experience makes me wonder whether Tesla is actually better at autonomous driving or just better *talking* about it. Elon s great at pitching the future. If AP1 is still better than AP2 then does that mean the Intel MobileEye platform is better than Nvidia? Will other carmakers AP systems be better? I guess we ll see when they start launching and getting reviewed. The one thing that Tesla has going for it is risk-tolerance. They ll throw software out there get learnings feedback and make progress. Would be interested to hear other people s thoughts... | Elon is a salesman. Once I realized that everything became clear. Believe some of what he says trust his intentions but never take him literally. | We need to keep something in mind. While the demonstration video may have suffered multiple disengagements the car was doing things it cannot do now like signs and intersections. The test software they have is far ahead of what we see. So December of this year they will attempt their run with software far ahead of what the public has. | 36 | 6 | 1,250 |
6o6szp | 86 | Tesla summoned into a wall - Outcome For anyone who remembers my Post a few weeks ago. We got our car back from the service center. While they had it in the shop they wanted to know everything about how it happened and had us send them pictures of everything. After a few days they said that all the sensors were working as designed and Summon is in Beta so it s on us. They gave us our car back but kept some of our faith in the software. Guess I ll be stopping with the fob to stop it until they integrate all the cameras into summon autopark. Side note: getting it serviced was a painless process and they updated me twice. | > they said that all the sensors were working as designed and Summon is in Beta so it s on us. > working as designed *In this update minor patches and improvements including hit the fucking wall mode* | Did they charge? | 44 | 3 | 1,251 |
6o6szp | 86 | Tesla summoned into a wall - Outcome For anyone who remembers my Post a few weeks ago. We got our car back from the service center. While they had it in the shop they wanted to know everything about how it happened and had us send them pictures of everything. After a few days they said that all the sensors were working as designed and Summon is in Beta so it s on us. They gave us our car back but kept some of our faith in the software. Guess I ll be stopping with the fob to stop it until they integrate all the cameras into summon autopark. Side note: getting it serviced was a painless process and they updated me twice. | > they said that all the sensors were working as designed and Summon is in Beta so it s on us. > working as designed *In this update minor patches and improvements including hit the fucking wall mode* | Link to the previous post: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6iwajg summon_backed_into_a_wall Was there a firmware update between the last time you used it successfully and hitting the wall? | 44 | 6 | 1,252 |
6o6szp | 86 | Tesla summoned into a wall - Outcome For anyone who remembers my Post a few weeks ago. We got our car back from the service center. While they had it in the shop they wanted to know everything about how it happened and had us send them pictures of everything. After a few days they said that all the sensors were working as designed and Summon is in Beta so it s on us. They gave us our car back but kept some of our faith in the software. Guess I ll be stopping with the fob to stop it until they integrate all the cameras into summon autopark. Side note: getting it serviced was a painless process and they updated me twice. | > they said that all the sensors were working as designed and Summon is in Beta so it s on us. > working as designed *In this update minor patches and improvements including hit the fucking wall mode* | I thought it wasn t possible to summon into an obstacle. Were there special circumstances preventing the sensors determining the wall? | 44 | 7 | 1,253 |
6oa069 | 77 | Got an insurance quote on new Model 3 I really did not want to do this but I was going to have to do it sooner or later. I have GEICO removed my 2012 Infiniti M37X and added 2017 Tesla Model 3.. Insurance went up a whole $43 over 6 months.. $7 a month... SWEET!!!!! Now if June July of 2018 would just get here!!! | When I got a model S Progressive was less than half geico s prices. Make sure you shop around. | Looks like mine would go up $126 but that s not so bad since I d be adding back full coverage and whatnot. | 44 | 2 | 1,254 |
6oa069 | 77 | Got an insurance quote on new Model 3 I really did not want to do this but I was going to have to do it sooner or later. I have GEICO removed my 2012 Infiniti M37X and added 2017 Tesla Model 3.. Insurance went up a whole $43 over 6 months.. $7 a month... SWEET!!!!! Now if June July of 2018 would just get here!!! | When I got a model S Progressive was less than half geico s prices. Make sure you shop around. | Booo.. Allstate doesn t have it in their system yet. At least not for online quotes. | 44 | 2 | 1,255 |
6oa069 | 77 | Got an insurance quote on new Model 3 I really did not want to do this but I was going to have to do it sooner or later. I have GEICO removed my 2012 Infiniti M37X and added 2017 Tesla Model 3.. Insurance went up a whole $43 over 6 months.. $7 a month... SWEET!!!!! Now if June July of 2018 would just get here!!! | When I got a model S Progressive was less than half geico s prices. Make sure you shop around. | I have Liberty Mutual and the Model 3 isn t in their system yet. Did a quote on Geico though and had a $141 mo payment with some higher deductible options like what I have for my current vehicle. I ll take it. | 44 | 2 | 1,256 |
6oh653 | 92 | PSA: New Inventory 90D s being offered with up to 15k discounts. Was emailed yesterday from Tesla advising of major discounts on the 90D they have in inventory upon searching I ve seen some cheaper than 75Ds. Not sure if this was posted yet but if it hasn t could be a good opportunity for some. | I ve been tracking this for a while. EV-CPO.com has a column showing the discount and you can sort by it to find good deals. These discounts are because of the discontinuation of the 90D battery pack and possibly some changes to the demo fleet. They re trying to put more P100D s out in the wild as demos and loaners so people get to experience it and decide they can t live without it. Whenever a demo car is equipped with features no longer available on new orders they dump it cheap. [Here s a P100D discounted $32 400 because it has vented seats and AP1.] (https: www.tesla.com new 5YJSA1E46GF162413?redirect=no) [Here s a P90D discounted $19 300 because it has a 90 kwh and no ludicrous mode but does have FSD.](https: www.tesla.com new 5YJSA1E48GF168150?redirect=no) [Here s a 90D discounted $18 800 because it s a 90 kwh car.](https: www.tesla.com new 5YJSA1E25HF191577?redirect=no) You better like carbon fiber because the wood trims are very rare in higher-end inventory cars for reasons I do not know. The official in-writing discount on a 90D I ordered yesterday from inventory was $18 500. I didn t post about it because it was literally the last of it s kind. I ve watch the inventory of that configuration go from 8 to 6 to 4 to 1 but that last 1 was so heavily discounted that I had to jump on it. I didn t post about it because I didn t want someone else to grab it! | I remember Elon was pretty pissed when he heard of discounts being offered so this is surprising. | 39 | 3 | 1,257 |
6oh653 | 92 | PSA: New Inventory 90D s being offered with up to 15k discounts. Was emailed yesterday from Tesla advising of major discounts on the 90D they have in inventory upon searching I ve seen some cheaper than 75Ds. Not sure if this was posted yet but if it hasn t could be a good opportunity for some. | I ve been tracking this for a while. EV-CPO.com has a column showing the discount and you can sort by it to find good deals. These discounts are because of the discontinuation of the 90D battery pack and possibly some changes to the demo fleet. They re trying to put more P100D s out in the wild as demos and loaners so people get to experience it and decide they can t live without it. Whenever a demo car is equipped with features no longer available on new orders they dump it cheap. [Here s a P100D discounted $32 400 because it has vented seats and AP1.] (https: www.tesla.com new 5YJSA1E46GF162413?redirect=no) [Here s a P90D discounted $19 300 because it has a 90 kwh and no ludicrous mode but does have FSD.](https: www.tesla.com new 5YJSA1E48GF168150?redirect=no) [Here s a 90D discounted $18 800 because it s a 90 kwh car.](https: www.tesla.com new 5YJSA1E25HF191577?redirect=no) You better like carbon fiber because the wood trims are very rare in higher-end inventory cars for reasons I do not know. The official in-writing discount on a 90D I ordered yesterday from inventory was $18 500. I didn t post about it because it was literally the last of it s kind. I ve watch the inventory of that configuration go from 8 to 6 to 4 to 1 but that last 1 was so heavily discounted that I had to jump on it. I didn t post about it because I didn t want someone else to grab it! | Can you screenshot the email and post it up for us to see please? | 39 | 4 | 1,258 |
6ohr7y | 172 | With the final Model 3 unveil right around the corner let s work on some Tesla Presentation Bingo! Submit bingo square suggestions in the comments and I ll assemble them into bingo cards before next week s event. I ll start: * Tezla (Free Space) * Some hippie shouts something at Elon from the audience * Presentation is 10 minutes late * Presentation is 30 minutes late * Mention of HUD lack of HUD * Reference to Elon s Velvet Jacket * Chevy Bolt mentioned * Chevy Bolt never mentioned * Base model has > 240 miles range * Reference to spaceship-like controls * Awkward demonstration of new trunk-opening size involving surf-board or other prop * Summon autopark demonstration * Current production number exceeds 300 * Dual-motor release date provided * Elon focuses on some minor feature first like phone charger or air filters. | We don t make slow cars. :-) | EVJ def won t be a thing. | 95 | 5 | 1,259 |
6ohr7y | 172 | With the final Model 3 unveil right around the corner let s work on some Tesla Presentation Bingo! Submit bingo square suggestions in the comments and I ll assemble them into bingo cards before next week s event. I ll start: * Tezla (Free Space) * Some hippie shouts something at Elon from the audience * Presentation is 10 minutes late * Presentation is 30 minutes late * Mention of HUD lack of HUD * Reference to Elon s Velvet Jacket * Chevy Bolt mentioned * Chevy Bolt never mentioned * Base model has > 240 miles range * Reference to spaceship-like controls * Awkward demonstration of new trunk-opening size involving surf-board or other prop * Summon autopark demonstration * Current production number exceeds 300 * Dual-motor release date provided * Elon focuses on some minor feature first like phone charger or air filters. | Gotta start with the 5 star NHTSA rating in ALL categories. | EVJ def won t be a thing. | 61 | 5 | 1,260 |
6ohr7y | 172 | With the final Model 3 unveil right around the corner let s work on some Tesla Presentation Bingo! Submit bingo square suggestions in the comments and I ll assemble them into bingo cards before next week s event. I ll start: * Tezla (Free Space) * Some hippie shouts something at Elon from the audience * Presentation is 10 minutes late * Presentation is 30 minutes late * Mention of HUD lack of HUD * Reference to Elon s Velvet Jacket * Chevy Bolt mentioned * Chevy Bolt never mentioned * Base model has > 240 miles range * Reference to spaceship-like controls * Awkward demonstration of new trunk-opening size involving surf-board or other prop * Summon autopark demonstration * Current production number exceeds 300 * Dual-motor release date provided * Elon focuses on some minor feature first like phone charger or air filters. | Elon s stutter or uh counter reaches 20 (edit: 100) Mentions Tesla fleet or rent your car out using FSD Mentions hyperloop tunnels Says can drive anywhere even on Mars At least one of the 30 is Signature Red or another color we haven t seen | 80-20 Aluminum Steel body and chassis | 60 | 4 | 1,261 |
6oiair | 54 | Worst inside joke: HUD or Climb Under Car ? HUD was definitely the leader for a long time but climb under the car so the mod doesn t have a heart attack has made a strong push lately. It s really neck and neck coming down to the final reveal but I don t think HUD has enough momentum to hold off the climb under car supporters for worst inside joke when it s all said and done. Any dark horses that could make a late run for the title? | Something something body gaps will exist for awhile | I think the first cars rolling off the line not being dead exact $35k and or not having dual motors will make a surprise run up. | 60 | 11 | 1,262 |
6oiair | 54 | Worst inside joke: HUD or Climb Under Car ? HUD was definitely the leader for a long time but climb under the car so the mod doesn t have a heart attack has made a strong push lately. It s really neck and neck coming down to the final reveal but I don t think HUD has enough momentum to hold off the climb under car supporters for worst inside joke when it s all said and done. Any dark horses that could make a late run for the title? | M3 | AP parity? | 38 | 10 | 1,263 |
6oiair | 54 | Worst inside joke: HUD or Climb Under Car ? HUD was definitely the leader for a long time but climb under the car so the mod doesn t have a heart attack has made a strong push lately. It s really neck and neck coming down to the final reveal but I don t think HUD has enough momentum to hold off the climb under car supporters for worst inside joke when it s all said and done. Any dark horses that could make a late run for the title? | Who says climb under the car is a joke? This is serious business. | I think the first cars rolling off the line not being dead exact $35k and or not having dual motors will make a surprise run up. | 38 | 11 | 1,264 |
6ojbna | 37 | PSA: Tesla is taking names emails and phone numbers for upcoming Model 3 events (such as viewings and test drives) Ask a showroom specialist or a rep about adding your name to the list apparently it s not automatically done. They asked me for my info at the Ann Arbor Art Fair event they have set up. I have a Model 3 reservation. Edit: this was in Michigan so maybe it s just a thing they re doing in states that are too butthurt about EV s to sell them directly to consumers. | As a reservation holder I expect Tesla to be contacting me to setup a test drive. It shouldn t be left to just some random in store signup process. At least not until all reservation holders have been given an opportunity. | I thought test drives were only going to be for reservation holders in the beginning. Don t see why they d take names now for something that could take months | 34 | 8 | 1,265 |
6ojfb8 | 159 | I like the M3 interior I m not understanding why some of you don t. I must be a minimalist. I ve read a number of the interior isn t as nice as a XYZ comments and I m literally not able to understand even what some of you are complaining about. So far this seems to me exactly like The Oatmeal discussing when a client asks a web designer to make it pop more and you just have to scratch your head trying to understand what unnecessary flair element they want. http: theoatmeal.com comics design_hell It s a seat. I sit in it. Make it comfortable and give me a leather or fabric option. It s a dashboard it doesn t really do anything. I couldn t care less if its wood or plastic. It s a steering wheel. It should be round. I m genuinely not understanding what you guys who say it would be better if it were more like Mercedes are trying to communicate. Does Mercedes have a rounder steering wheel? Is there a maximum roundness possible? Can a three-spoke steering wheel be that different from a four or two? How is black leather from Tesla different from black leather from Mercedes? etc. So far it seems like some of these comments are pretty much real car aficionados know the Germans have nicer interiors because... followed by totally subjective comments. It sounds exactly like this website is way better because it pops more and the fonts are nicer and the colors are more impressive so you should make this website more like that website. If someone says I don t like it that s totally fine. I get that this is a matter of taste. (In fact I guess my entire point is that this is **completely** a matter of taste...) But there are a few comments I ve seen that seem to be trying to argue that the Tesla interior is somehow objectively inferior to other brands and I d be curious if any of you who feel that way would like to try to make a facts-based argument for your view. | I also like the Model 3 interior but I ll try to help explain the mystery: > It s a seat. I sit in it. Make it comfortable and give me a leather or fabric option. Does it look nice when I m getting in? Does it give me enough support that I don t slide around when cornering but not so much that I feel like I m squeezed into it? > It s a dashboard it doesn t really do anything. I couldn t care less if its wood or plastic. A luxury vehicle uses different materials from a Kia Rio. For $35 000 you should expect materials that look and feel good. This is especially true of things in the Model S price range. > It s a steering wheel. It should be round. Well not entirely round. Typically they square off the bottom... But how comfortable is it in your hands on a long drive? Is it thick enough that you feel you have good positive control but not so think that it s hard to use? > Can a three-spoke steering wheel be that different from a four or two? Yes and it has to do with where your hands are. In autopilot where will you keep your hands on the wheel? Is that location comfortable or is there a spoke in the way? > How is black leather from Tesla different from black leather from Mercedes? etc. Oh my. Leather is available in a number of grades. Tesla uses pretty good stuff but in a low-end car you ll notice a pebbly finish to the leather. Tesla (and Mercedes) won t tolerate that. It s smooth-finish Nappa leather all the way. > real car aficionados know the Germans have nicer interiors because... Because the German car companies wouldn t dare let my fingers accidentally brush *plastic* during my drive. They ll use laser-perforated aluminum speaker grilles instead of molded plastic. They ll use embossed aluminum switches for windows and door locks. Now *you* might not care if it s plastic or meta or leather or cloth but high quality materials and high quality construction are the hallmark of a luxury vehicle. It s what you re paying more for. When people complain what they re really saying is In this price range Mercedes or BMW would have used either a higher-quality material or a more intricate manufacturing process to ensure that it has good comfort appearance and feel. See [this](http: blog.caranddriver.com wp-content uploads 2016 11 2018-Mercedes-Maybach-S650-cabriolet-110-876x535.jpg) as a example of top-end appointment. Even if you don t care about it you can see the difference. | I just want the seats to be comfortable and look nice. | 114 | 15 | 1,266 |
6ojfb8 | 159 | I like the M3 interior I m not understanding why some of you don t. I must be a minimalist. I ve read a number of the interior isn t as nice as a XYZ comments and I m literally not able to understand even what some of you are complaining about. So far this seems to me exactly like The Oatmeal discussing when a client asks a web designer to make it pop more and you just have to scratch your head trying to understand what unnecessary flair element they want. http: theoatmeal.com comics design_hell It s a seat. I sit in it. Make it comfortable and give me a leather or fabric option. It s a dashboard it doesn t really do anything. I couldn t care less if its wood or plastic. It s a steering wheel. It should be round. I m genuinely not understanding what you guys who say it would be better if it were more like Mercedes are trying to communicate. Does Mercedes have a rounder steering wheel? Is there a maximum roundness possible? Can a three-spoke steering wheel be that different from a four or two? How is black leather from Tesla different from black leather from Mercedes? etc. So far it seems like some of these comments are pretty much real car aficionados know the Germans have nicer interiors because... followed by totally subjective comments. It sounds exactly like this website is way better because it pops more and the fonts are nicer and the colors are more impressive so you should make this website more like that website. If someone says I don t like it that s totally fine. I get that this is a matter of taste. (In fact I guess my entire point is that this is **completely** a matter of taste...) But there are a few comments I ve seen that seem to be trying to argue that the Tesla interior is somehow objectively inferior to other brands and I d be curious if any of you who feel that way would like to try to make a facts-based argument for your view. | I also like the Model 3 interior but I ll try to help explain the mystery: > It s a seat. I sit in it. Make it comfortable and give me a leather or fabric option. Does it look nice when I m getting in? Does it give me enough support that I don t slide around when cornering but not so much that I feel like I m squeezed into it? > It s a dashboard it doesn t really do anything. I couldn t care less if its wood or plastic. A luxury vehicle uses different materials from a Kia Rio. For $35 000 you should expect materials that look and feel good. This is especially true of things in the Model S price range. > It s a steering wheel. It should be round. Well not entirely round. Typically they square off the bottom... But how comfortable is it in your hands on a long drive? Is it thick enough that you feel you have good positive control but not so think that it s hard to use? > Can a three-spoke steering wheel be that different from a four or two? Yes and it has to do with where your hands are. In autopilot where will you keep your hands on the wheel? Is that location comfortable or is there a spoke in the way? > How is black leather from Tesla different from black leather from Mercedes? etc. Oh my. Leather is available in a number of grades. Tesla uses pretty good stuff but in a low-end car you ll notice a pebbly finish to the leather. Tesla (and Mercedes) won t tolerate that. It s smooth-finish Nappa leather all the way. > real car aficionados know the Germans have nicer interiors because... Because the German car companies wouldn t dare let my fingers accidentally brush *plastic* during my drive. They ll use laser-perforated aluminum speaker grilles instead of molded plastic. They ll use embossed aluminum switches for windows and door locks. Now *you* might not care if it s plastic or meta or leather or cloth but high quality materials and high quality construction are the hallmark of a luxury vehicle. It s what you re paying more for. When people complain what they re really saying is In this price range Mercedes or BMW would have used either a higher-quality material or a more intricate manufacturing process to ensure that it has good comfort appearance and feel. See [this](http: blog.caranddriver.com wp-content uploads 2016 11 2018-Mercedes-Maybach-S650-cabriolet-110-876x535.jpg) as a example of top-end appointment. Even if you don t care about it you can see the difference. | Please abbreviate Tesla Model 3 with shorthands like: 3 TM3 or T3 . M3 is an abbreviation used and trademarked by BMW. Read more [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki moderation). Purposefully triggering the bot or arguing over its use will lead to comment deletion and or a ban. *I am a bot and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit]( message compose ?to= r teslamotors) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 114 | 28 | 1,267 |
6ojfb8 | 159 | I like the M3 interior I m not understanding why some of you don t. I must be a minimalist. I ve read a number of the interior isn t as nice as a XYZ comments and I m literally not able to understand even what some of you are complaining about. So far this seems to me exactly like The Oatmeal discussing when a client asks a web designer to make it pop more and you just have to scratch your head trying to understand what unnecessary flair element they want. http: theoatmeal.com comics design_hell It s a seat. I sit in it. Make it comfortable and give me a leather or fabric option. It s a dashboard it doesn t really do anything. I couldn t care less if its wood or plastic. It s a steering wheel. It should be round. I m genuinely not understanding what you guys who say it would be better if it were more like Mercedes are trying to communicate. Does Mercedes have a rounder steering wheel? Is there a maximum roundness possible? Can a three-spoke steering wheel be that different from a four or two? How is black leather from Tesla different from black leather from Mercedes? etc. So far it seems like some of these comments are pretty much real car aficionados know the Germans have nicer interiors because... followed by totally subjective comments. It sounds exactly like this website is way better because it pops more and the fonts are nicer and the colors are more impressive so you should make this website more like that website. If someone says I don t like it that s totally fine. I get that this is a matter of taste. (In fact I guess my entire point is that this is **completely** a matter of taste...) But there are a few comments I ve seen that seem to be trying to argue that the Tesla interior is somehow objectively inferior to other brands and I d be curious if any of you who feel that way would like to try to make a facts-based argument for your view. | I also like the Model 3 interior but I ll try to help explain the mystery: > It s a seat. I sit in it. Make it comfortable and give me a leather or fabric option. Does it look nice when I m getting in? Does it give me enough support that I don t slide around when cornering but not so much that I feel like I m squeezed into it? > It s a dashboard it doesn t really do anything. I couldn t care less if its wood or plastic. A luxury vehicle uses different materials from a Kia Rio. For $35 000 you should expect materials that look and feel good. This is especially true of things in the Model S price range. > It s a steering wheel. It should be round. Well not entirely round. Typically they square off the bottom... But how comfortable is it in your hands on a long drive? Is it thick enough that you feel you have good positive control but not so think that it s hard to use? > Can a three-spoke steering wheel be that different from a four or two? Yes and it has to do with where your hands are. In autopilot where will you keep your hands on the wheel? Is that location comfortable or is there a spoke in the way? > How is black leather from Tesla different from black leather from Mercedes? etc. Oh my. Leather is available in a number of grades. Tesla uses pretty good stuff but in a low-end car you ll notice a pebbly finish to the leather. Tesla (and Mercedes) won t tolerate that. It s smooth-finish Nappa leather all the way. > real car aficionados know the Germans have nicer interiors because... Because the German car companies wouldn t dare let my fingers accidentally brush *plastic* during my drive. They ll use laser-perforated aluminum speaker grilles instead of molded plastic. They ll use embossed aluminum switches for windows and door locks. Now *you* might not care if it s plastic or meta or leather or cloth but high quality materials and high quality construction are the hallmark of a luxury vehicle. It s what you re paying more for. When people complain what they re really saying is In this price range Mercedes or BMW would have used either a higher-quality material or a more intricate manufacturing process to ensure that it has good comfort appearance and feel. See [this](http: blog.caranddriver.com wp-content uploads 2016 11 2018-Mercedes-Maybach-S650-cabriolet-110-876x535.jpg) as a example of top-end appointment. Even if you don t care about it you can see the difference. | http: st.motortrend.com uploads sites 10 2016 08 2017-bmw-m3-base-sedan-steering-wheel.png I dunno looks busy to me. Also why in the name of Zeus s butthole is the door lock button under the 4-way flasher button on the centre stack? | 114 | 36 | 1,268 |
6okwvv | 37 | New Tesla Configurator Offline I just checked and tesla.com build models build modelx build model3 and build links now redirect to a 404 page not found. The build model3 link never had configurator attached but used to redirect to the build page. Not sure if they hid the pages away because everyone found out how to access them or if they moved them in preparations of making them live. | It s as if they are preparing to announce something. | Looks like they are hosted at tesla.com models design and tesla.com modelx design now. Model3 design sends you to model 3 res page | 44 | 8 | 1,269 |
6oppjn | 22 | Will there be any surprises next Friday? Judging by all the high res photos of the Model 3 there doesn t seem to be anything more exciting to announce next Friday? Do you guys think Elon will pull something out of his hat and surprise us all or will this just be a normal boring delivery event? The only thing we really dont know is the size of the battery and the different configurations. So I m not expecting much. | PRICING! How much does this thing cost? All we know is 35k minimum and while its highly unlikely even that *could* change. | Anyone still hoping for the space ship controls? | 46 | 8 | 1,270 |
6oppjn | 22 | Will there be any surprises next Friday? Judging by all the high res photos of the Model 3 there doesn t seem to be anything more exciting to announce next Friday? Do you guys think Elon will pull something out of his hat and surprise us all or will this just be a normal boring delivery event? The only thing we really dont know is the size of the battery and the different configurations. So I m not expecting much. | PRICING! How much does this thing cost? All we know is 35k minimum and while its highly unlikely even that *could* change. | I honestly hope so... but I doubt it. (Insert obligatory HUD comment) | 46 | 15 | 1,271 |
6oqmp7 | 26 | Sub Automod Bot Changes Good afternoon everyone The mods have decided to try out a different approach to the BMW M3 automod correcting feature. The same reasoning still applies however the changes we are trying out are as follows: * **1)** Instead of public comment **automod bot will now PM a user when they use M3** (same exceptions apply - ie will not trigger if BMW is mentioned). And it wont be just once - it will PM you every single time. * **2)** If you continuously use M3 to derail conversation annoy mods (because we have to deal with reports or deleting comments) it can still lead to comment deletion and or ban. However we will lighten up on the removals bans temporarily and see how this goes for a little while. We still encourage users to report any rule violations. * **3)** Users are **still free to correct each other** when M3 is used. You better believe that if I (or other users) see someone using M3 I m going to comment Model 3 or perhaps ask why you are discussing a BMW model. Please try not too be too obnoxious rude when correcting people (I will try as well). **Reddiquette still applies.** * **4)** We continue to recommend simply using 3 TM3 T3 Model 3 . Actual use of M3 [does lead to confusion](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6ojfb8 i_like_the_m3_interior_im_not_understanding_why dkhtumr ) and [there is plenty of support and reasoning for not using it.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5u4li5 lot_of_people_are_typing_on_crappy_keyboards_m3 ) The hope here is that the PM + user corrections will still keep everyone from using M3 related to Model 3... it ll just be slightly less annoying for the rest of the sub if one particular user insists on that shorthand. **Please do not attempt to argue for full bot removal - that is not going to happen.** We are just testing out different ways to work the bot and lessen the load on reports mod removals. If this method leads to more problems reports complaining users... we will simply change it back to public comment and removals bans for purposefully triggering. If the bot triggers in a situation where it shouldn t (ie like last week where it triggered on MP3) - please message us so we can make further changes exceptions. Right now the FWD bot will stay as normal since that is rarely used anyways. I have removed the weekly stickies just temporarily for a day or two so everyone can see this - you can still access the weekly experiences and investment threads from the sidebar. We will put those back up soon - and there will be further changes after 7 28 (including Model 3 sightings required in weekly experiences thread). Thank you from the mod team! Cheers! Edit: I have also removed all temp 1 day bans for triggering the bot | You really need to get out of the house more if someone saying M3 on a Tesla forum will make you loose your shit. | I think these are good changes to make. I know it is a thankless job but keep up the good work! Oh and thank you for moderating this subreddit. | 44 | 2 | 1,272 |
6oqmp7 | 26 | Sub Automod Bot Changes Good afternoon everyone The mods have decided to try out a different approach to the BMW M3 automod correcting feature. The same reasoning still applies however the changes we are trying out are as follows: * **1)** Instead of public comment **automod bot will now PM a user when they use M3** (same exceptions apply - ie will not trigger if BMW is mentioned). And it wont be just once - it will PM you every single time. * **2)** If you continuously use M3 to derail conversation annoy mods (because we have to deal with reports or deleting comments) it can still lead to comment deletion and or ban. However we will lighten up on the removals bans temporarily and see how this goes for a little while. We still encourage users to report any rule violations. * **3)** Users are **still free to correct each other** when M3 is used. You better believe that if I (or other users) see someone using M3 I m going to comment Model 3 or perhaps ask why you are discussing a BMW model. Please try not too be too obnoxious rude when correcting people (I will try as well). **Reddiquette still applies.** * **4)** We continue to recommend simply using 3 TM3 T3 Model 3 . Actual use of M3 [does lead to confusion](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6ojfb8 i_like_the_m3_interior_im_not_understanding_why dkhtumr ) and [there is plenty of support and reasoning for not using it.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5u4li5 lot_of_people_are_typing_on_crappy_keyboards_m3 ) The hope here is that the PM + user corrections will still keep everyone from using M3 related to Model 3... it ll just be slightly less annoying for the rest of the sub if one particular user insists on that shorthand. **Please do not attempt to argue for full bot removal - that is not going to happen.** We are just testing out different ways to work the bot and lessen the load on reports mod removals. If this method leads to more problems reports complaining users... we will simply change it back to public comment and removals bans for purposefully triggering. If the bot triggers in a situation where it shouldn t (ie like last week where it triggered on MP3) - please message us so we can make further changes exceptions. Right now the FWD bot will stay as normal since that is rarely used anyways. I have removed the weekly stickies just temporarily for a day or two so everyone can see this - you can still access the weekly experiences and investment threads from the sidebar. We will put those back up soon - and there will be further changes after 7 28 (including Model 3 sightings required in weekly experiences thread). Thank you from the mod team! Cheers! Edit: I have also removed all temp 1 day bans for triggering the bot | You really need to get out of the house more if someone saying M3 on a Tesla forum will make you loose your shit. | We ll see how it goes. I liked the other way because I think it reduced the amount of user correction that derailed conversations sometimes. The one change I was hoping for would be for that message to auto delete if a user fixed the error. Again this may be for the better but if conversations start to slide towards corrections only instead of useful discussion maybe it should be put back. Thanks for all you do! | 44 | 2 | 1,273 |
6oqmp7 | 26 | Sub Automod Bot Changes Good afternoon everyone The mods have decided to try out a different approach to the BMW M3 automod correcting feature. The same reasoning still applies however the changes we are trying out are as follows: * **1)** Instead of public comment **automod bot will now PM a user when they use M3** (same exceptions apply - ie will not trigger if BMW is mentioned). And it wont be just once - it will PM you every single time. * **2)** If you continuously use M3 to derail conversation annoy mods (because we have to deal with reports or deleting comments) it can still lead to comment deletion and or ban. However we will lighten up on the removals bans temporarily and see how this goes for a little while. We still encourage users to report any rule violations. * **3)** Users are **still free to correct each other** when M3 is used. You better believe that if I (or other users) see someone using M3 I m going to comment Model 3 or perhaps ask why you are discussing a BMW model. Please try not too be too obnoxious rude when correcting people (I will try as well). **Reddiquette still applies.** * **4)** We continue to recommend simply using 3 TM3 T3 Model 3 . Actual use of M3 [does lead to confusion](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6ojfb8 i_like_the_m3_interior_im_not_understanding_why dkhtumr ) and [there is plenty of support and reasoning for not using it.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5u4li5 lot_of_people_are_typing_on_crappy_keyboards_m3 ) The hope here is that the PM + user corrections will still keep everyone from using M3 related to Model 3... it ll just be slightly less annoying for the rest of the sub if one particular user insists on that shorthand. **Please do not attempt to argue for full bot removal - that is not going to happen.** We are just testing out different ways to work the bot and lessen the load on reports mod removals. If this method leads to more problems reports complaining users... we will simply change it back to public comment and removals bans for purposefully triggering. If the bot triggers in a situation where it shouldn t (ie like last week where it triggered on MP3) - please message us so we can make further changes exceptions. Right now the FWD bot will stay as normal since that is rarely used anyways. I have removed the weekly stickies just temporarily for a day or two so everyone can see this - you can still access the weekly experiences and investment threads from the sidebar. We will put those back up soon - and there will be further changes after 7 28 (including Model 3 sightings required in weekly experiences thread). Thank you from the mod team! Cheers! Edit: I have also removed all temp 1 day bans for triggering the bot | You really need to get out of the house more if someone saying M3 on a Tesla forum will make you loose your shit. | So is it OK to not ask for the bot removal but to call the bot really dumb? | 44 | 3 | 1,274 |
6ow0wx | 341 | From one who frequently trespasses to skate we have to chill on Model 3 spy shots With the increased frequency of videos and photos of production Model 3 being posted I m beginning to think we should just relax and let the reveal come or else Tesla will get more strict with fans i.e being completely locked out from viewing future cars The video of the VP of engineering getting into his car was for me hard to watch. I m grateful we saw the power seats in action and got to hear the door close very satisfyingly but the whole thing would ve made me feel very uncomfortable if I were Doug. Imagine the amount of stress on his shoulders right now and imagine strangers hanging around your car with cameras pointed at you as you left work after a that hard of a work day! Plus last night s run in with security in trying to get the battery sticker was hilarious but again I feel like these events will only make Tesla want to fence their properties off and install new public superchargers outside and leave the current ones only to employees. I commend you all on trying to get us info early and I m eager enough looking for it as evidenced by my probably 50 times daily visits here. But I feel like my experience in 15+ years of skateboarding may be an accurate indicator for this situation: when a business has a nice place to skate and we stop by to skate it the business try hard to keep us out. They will hire security to kick us out modify the area to make it undesirable to skaters (skate stoppers adding gravel making the ground too bumpy to skate on.. anything to keep us out.) What I m saying is if a small business is willing to go to these lengths to keep pesky skateboarders off their property a multi billion dollar company will surely build a fence to keep prying eyes out. Could you imagine people trying to pull this off with Mercedes (if they built something even 1 4 as exciting as Model 3)? It wouldn t happen. It would all take place behind closed doors or far enough from public eyes that no details would come until they decide so. I don t want to see that with Tesla. I love their transparency. Just. Chill. 6. More. Days. | The irony is not lost on me that someone who is taking photos on private property and receiving additional photos from employees and posting them without permission would also get upset [about people using his photos](https: www.theverge.com 2017 6 23 15861974 tesla-model-3-leak-hype-picture-copyright-reddit) in the past without his permission. Seems more than a bit hypocritical to me. | Agree 100%. And if your actions cause Tesla to kick you off their property you are NOT being good to Tesla or to this community. You are being an asshole. Stop. | 76 | 9 | 1,275 |
6ow0wx | 341 | From one who frequently trespasses to skate we have to chill on Model 3 spy shots With the increased frequency of videos and photos of production Model 3 being posted I m beginning to think we should just relax and let the reveal come or else Tesla will get more strict with fans i.e being completely locked out from viewing future cars The video of the VP of engineering getting into his car was for me hard to watch. I m grateful we saw the power seats in action and got to hear the door close very satisfyingly but the whole thing would ve made me feel very uncomfortable if I were Doug. Imagine the amount of stress on his shoulders right now and imagine strangers hanging around your car with cameras pointed at you as you left work after a that hard of a work day! Plus last night s run in with security in trying to get the battery sticker was hilarious but again I feel like these events will only make Tesla want to fence their properties off and install new public superchargers outside and leave the current ones only to employees. I commend you all on trying to get us info early and I m eager enough looking for it as evidenced by my probably 50 times daily visits here. But I feel like my experience in 15+ years of skateboarding may be an accurate indicator for this situation: when a business has a nice place to skate and we stop by to skate it the business try hard to keep us out. They will hire security to kick us out modify the area to make it undesirable to skaters (skate stoppers adding gravel making the ground too bumpy to skate on.. anything to keep us out.) What I m saying is if a small business is willing to go to these lengths to keep pesky skateboarders off their property a multi billion dollar company will surely build a fence to keep prying eyes out. Could you imagine people trying to pull this off with Mercedes (if they built something even 1 4 as exciting as Model 3)? It wouldn t happen. It would all take place behind closed doors or far enough from public eyes that no details would come until they decide so. I don t want to see that with Tesla. I love their transparency. Just. Chill. 6. More. Days. | The irony is not lost on me that someone who is taking photos on private property and receiving additional photos from employees and posting them without permission would also get upset [about people using his photos](https: www.theverge.com 2017 6 23 15861974 tesla-model-3-leak-hype-picture-copyright-reddit) in the past without his permission. Seems more than a bit hypocritical to me. | I agree. The lengths people will go to to post a picture of a car that everyone will be able to see in less than a week is bordering on disturbing. I don t participate in all of this so I didn t see it but someone really stalked the VP of engineering while he got in the car? Taking pictures of a car on a public road is one thing but some of this is getting out of hand. Have some class people. | 76 | 10 | 1,276 |
6ow0wx | 341 | From one who frequently trespasses to skate we have to chill on Model 3 spy shots With the increased frequency of videos and photos of production Model 3 being posted I m beginning to think we should just relax and let the reveal come or else Tesla will get more strict with fans i.e being completely locked out from viewing future cars The video of the VP of engineering getting into his car was for me hard to watch. I m grateful we saw the power seats in action and got to hear the door close very satisfyingly but the whole thing would ve made me feel very uncomfortable if I were Doug. Imagine the amount of stress on his shoulders right now and imagine strangers hanging around your car with cameras pointed at you as you left work after a that hard of a work day! Plus last night s run in with security in trying to get the battery sticker was hilarious but again I feel like these events will only make Tesla want to fence their properties off and install new public superchargers outside and leave the current ones only to employees. I commend you all on trying to get us info early and I m eager enough looking for it as evidenced by my probably 50 times daily visits here. But I feel like my experience in 15+ years of skateboarding may be an accurate indicator for this situation: when a business has a nice place to skate and we stop by to skate it the business try hard to keep us out. They will hire security to kick us out modify the area to make it undesirable to skaters (skate stoppers adding gravel making the ground too bumpy to skate on.. anything to keep us out.) What I m saying is if a small business is willing to go to these lengths to keep pesky skateboarders off their property a multi billion dollar company will surely build a fence to keep prying eyes out. Could you imagine people trying to pull this off with Mercedes (if they built something even 1 4 as exciting as Model 3)? It wouldn t happen. It would all take place behind closed doors or far enough from public eyes that no details would come until they decide so. I don t want to see that with Tesla. I love their transparency. Just. Chill. 6. More. Days. | The irony is not lost on me that someone who is taking photos on private property and receiving additional photos from employees and posting them without permission would also get upset [about people using his photos](https: www.theverge.com 2017 6 23 15861974 tesla-model-3-leak-hype-picture-copyright-reddit) in the past without his permission. Seems more than a bit hypocritical to me. | Relax man. Tesla is eating it up. | 76 | 18 | 1,277 |
6ow5qe | 62 | Is leather gone altogether now? The new design studio just says premium interior instead of leather and the alcantara appears to be gone as well. | In my opinion for younger generations (< 30) the use of leather products in general is non-appealing or even unappealing. A cheaper and more durable synthetic could almost always be used. Leather is not only harder to maintain but is of course unethical as it requires killing animals. | All seats are now the same material as the white seats (expect the fabric ones of course). The stearing wheel remains leather. Alcantara is gone from the dashboard (for a few weeks now) | 53 | 26 | 1,278 |
6p0nek | 415 | Not to put a hat on a hat but Tesla employee D.G. told me earlier today you re not going to find [the battery sticker] on these cars. It s hidden. Where the public cannot see it. So yeah not in any wheel well and not underneath. We have to start disassembling these RCs when no one s looking. Note: context of this conversation was about Doug s #3 production vehicle so I m assuming the comment applies to both RC and production vehicles. | We will be better prepared for the model Y. With drones X-ray scanners thermal cameras mercenaries tactical units and satellites. | Just like I said.. Stop looking for battery sticker and get me clear picture of new charger! 👿 | 151 | 17 | 1,279 |
6p0nek | 415 | Not to put a hat on a hat but Tesla employee D.G. told me earlier today you re not going to find [the battery sticker] on these cars. It s hidden. Where the public cannot see it. So yeah not in any wheel well and not underneath. We have to start disassembling these RCs when no one s looking. Note: context of this conversation was about Doug s #3 production vehicle so I m assuming the comment applies to both RC and production vehicles. | We will be better prepared for the model Y. With drones X-ray scanners thermal cameras mercenaries tactical units and satellites. | Why didn t you just torture him for the kWh figure ? | 151 | 27 | 1,280 |
6p0nek | 415 | Not to put a hat on a hat but Tesla employee D.G. told me earlier today you re not going to find [the battery sticker] on these cars. It s hidden. Where the public cannot see it. So yeah not in any wheel well and not underneath. We have to start disassembling these RCs when no one s looking. Note: context of this conversation was about Doug s #3 production vehicle so I m assuming the comment applies to both RC and production vehicles. | We will be better prepared for the model Y. With drones X-ray scanners thermal cameras mercenaries tactical units and satellites. | > We have to start disassembling these RCs when no one s looking. Good point. Can we deduct from the pictures we have which size wrench or Torx bit we need? | 151 | 62 | 1,281 |
6p0q8q | 54 | 100D seems poor value after recent changes. The Model S 75D is $74 500 in the US and the 100D $97 500. A few months ago the 100D included a significant performance upgrade (before the drive unit changes on the S 75 75D) and Smart Air Suspension (now standard on all S X) as well as the range increase. Now the only differences apart from the battery appear to be a 0.1s decrease in 0-60 time and the slightly higher top speed (155mph instead of 140). It s essentially $23 000 for a 25Kwh battery upgrade which seems poor value to me. Model X 100D is slightly better value with a $17 000 price increase for the range 130-155mph speed increase and 0.2s 0-60 deacrease. Are we likely to see a price drop more options as standard on the 100D in the near future or have I missed something? | Don t forget the faster supercharging speeds and the high-amperage charger on the 100D making it a quicker road-tripping choice for frequent traveler. | Yeah definitely fewer reasons to buy a 100D. On the other hand the 75 is now a great value except I m going to miss the coils. I wonder if there s a coil car out there with the new motor? | 39 | 4 | 1,282 |
6p0q8q | 54 | 100D seems poor value after recent changes. The Model S 75D is $74 500 in the US and the 100D $97 500. A few months ago the 100D included a significant performance upgrade (before the drive unit changes on the S 75 75D) and Smart Air Suspension (now standard on all S X) as well as the range increase. Now the only differences apart from the battery appear to be a 0.1s decrease in 0-60 time and the slightly higher top speed (155mph instead of 140). It s essentially $23 000 for a 25Kwh battery upgrade which seems poor value to me. Model X 100D is slightly better value with a $17 000 price increase for the range 130-155mph speed increase and 0.2s 0-60 deacrease. Are we likely to see a price drop more options as standard on the 100D in the near future or have I missed something? | Don t forget the faster supercharging speeds and the high-amperage charger on the 100D making it a quicker road-tripping choice for frequent traveler. | Beyond 0-60 times it s more the highway passing power (i.e. max power level of the flat part of the curve) that should differentiate them. Too bad Tesla doesn t publish power figures anymore after the P85D 691 bhp debacle. | 39 | 7 | 1,283 |
6p28os | 16,360 | I m a Tesla Employee here is a little story about what happened at Tesla yesterday. I work for Tesla as part of the Model 3 launch team. Yesterday I was at my desk working on some Model 3 stuff when all of a sudden a fucking bat was flying around my work space. A few of my colleagues were discussing the bat talking about Hope that little prick doesn t have rabies and I hope he doesn t deposit some guano on my laptop . The little fella looked lost we knew we had to help him out. We all came to the conclusion that this little guy could probably get out if we opened one of the nearby roll-up doors. We figured with an opening big enough he could use his echo location to find his way out. The boss walked over to the roll up door and we waited. Sure enough the little guy found his way out. We cheered as we were happy this little guy was now free. Then we all got back to work. You thought I was gonna divulge some company secrets talk about the batteries or post a picture from inside huh? Nope. | Elon Musk being Batman confirmed. Poor thing must have escaped from underground batcave. | I m a bot *bleep* *bloop*. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit: - [ r batty] [Bat in the Tesla factory](https: np.reddit.com r batty comments 6p2kfh bat_in_the_tesla_factory ) - [ r shitpost] [A member of the clergy for The Church Of The Musky Elon bamboozles us.](https: np.reddit.com r shitpost comments 6p4tn2 a_member_of_the_clergy_for_the_church_of_the ) [](#footer)*^(If you follow any of the above links please respect the rules of reddit and don t vote in the other threads.) ^\\([Info]( r TotesMessenger) ^ ^[Contact]( message compose?to= r TotesMessenger))* [](#bot) | 3,312 | 6 | 1,284 |
6p28os | 16,360 | I m a Tesla Employee here is a little story about what happened at Tesla yesterday. I work for Tesla as part of the Model 3 launch team. Yesterday I was at my desk working on some Model 3 stuff when all of a sudden a fucking bat was flying around my work space. A few of my colleagues were discussing the bat talking about Hope that little prick doesn t have rabies and I hope he doesn t deposit some guano on my laptop . The little fella looked lost we knew we had to help him out. We all came to the conclusion that this little guy could probably get out if we opened one of the nearby roll-up doors. We figured with an opening big enough he could use his echo location to find his way out. The boss walked over to the roll up door and we waited. Sure enough the little guy found his way out. We cheered as we were happy this little guy was now free. Then we all got back to work. You thought I was gonna divulge some company secrets talk about the batteries or post a picture from inside huh? Nope. | Elon Musk being Batman confirmed. Poor thing must have escaped from underground batcave. | I was going to sleep in a cabin in Finland the other summer and heard some scratching noises coming from the roof section. Not long after that I heard fluttering in the room and turned on the light and a little bat was flying around. I opened the door and tried to shoo him out but he ended up flying back into the crevasse he came from. I went to go sleep in another room after that. Here s a quick video of his echolocation noise. He was a cute little guy but I m not going to be able to sleep easily in the same room with him. https: instagram.com p qjmdP7HJzH Since we re sharing bat stories. | 3,312 | 8 | 1,285 |
6p28os | 16,360 | I m a Tesla Employee here is a little story about what happened at Tesla yesterday. I work for Tesla as part of the Model 3 launch team. Yesterday I was at my desk working on some Model 3 stuff when all of a sudden a fucking bat was flying around my work space. A few of my colleagues were discussing the bat talking about Hope that little prick doesn t have rabies and I hope he doesn t deposit some guano on my laptop . The little fella looked lost we knew we had to help him out. We all came to the conclusion that this little guy could probably get out if we opened one of the nearby roll-up doors. We figured with an opening big enough he could use his echo location to find his way out. The boss walked over to the roll up door and we waited. Sure enough the little guy found his way out. We cheered as we were happy this little guy was now free. Then we all got back to work. You thought I was gonna divulge some company secrets talk about the batteries or post a picture from inside huh? Nope. | Elon Musk being Batman confirmed. Poor thing must have escaped from underground batcave. | Do you have the bats number he might have intel on the battery sizes. | 3,312 | 9 | 1,286 |
6p81zb | 1,416 | For the love of all things holy and Tesla... If there is a choice between on time launch and surprises and more cool stuff or Tesla spends money on guard shack and more AD& D insurance for its people I know what one I d rather them do. Yesterday there were more Tesla owners trespassing on Tesla test property. When approached they sped off in a construction zone. I know everyone is curious but Tesla doesn t camo the 3 for better results there is no guard shack so the budget can be spent where the customer will see results. These things can change if enough people abuse this. Please keep this in mind. Also Tesla employees have a lot of fun at work it s fun to see the excitement from the public but it always is less fun when one is chased to work and followed around stalked. People have lives and it never is fun to think being chased by people with no thought of safety is a part of life. Please please be considerate and don t trespass. -friends that work there | My suspicion is that most of the people intentionally trespassing aren t people who simply can t wait for the 28th rather it s people who want the attention of revealing new information and they see their chance disappearing on the 28th. Many of them may not even be genuine Tesla fans. | I surely hope this doesn t happen again. If it does however I truly hope Tesla not only ejects them from their property but has charges pressed against them. | 105 | 42 | 1,287 |
6p844d | 143 | Exactly six month s ago Elon predicted this Exactly six month s ago Elon predicted that self-driving features would begin to noticeably diverge from enhanced autopilot: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 823727035088416768?lang=en He also optimistically said that three months ago features maybe would begin to diverge but I ll give him a pass on that. Most people who have both AP1 and AP2 cars seem to be of the opinion that AP2 hasn t quite caught up to AP1 yet (not to mention the missing features like rain-sensing wipers and a display that shows multiple lanes and bikes.) We all know that Elon is overly optimistic on his timelines but how much padding is appropriate? Is another six months enough time for Tesla to begin to roll out some more advanced FSD features? There s also the question of hardware. What s the over under on the announcement of upgraded hardware at the Model 3 launch? (Simultaneously coming to S X of course.) If not at the Model 3 launch what s the over under on autopilot hardware upgrades in 2018 2019? I d personally peg the chances of new hardware by 2019 as very high. | As long as ap2 hardware is sufficient for FSD and it happens within a few years I ll be happy. If it turns out you really need Lidar after all or something that means teslas are overtaken by other companies that will be a major fuck up | I don t see a need to upgrade the AP hardware for awhile since they re not even using all of the cameras of AP 2.0 right now. If they needed to upgrade the sensor suite it means they didn t put enough effort in designing it in the first place which I doubt is the case. I think the biggest hardware change in the future will be adding a redundant computer for Level 5 as there is only one Drive PX2 at the moment. | 56 | 8 | 1,288 |
6pcwrs | 40 | Model 3 Launch: More than just about the model 3? What are the odds Tesla announces something big other than the model 3? | I m expecting at least one and this is available on all our cars starting tonight on Friday. | My pipe dream is a new roadster reveal. | 57 | 13 | 1,289 |
6pcwrs | 40 | Model 3 Launch: More than just about the model 3? What are the odds Tesla announces something big other than the model 3? | I m expecting at least one and this is available on all our cars starting tonight on Friday. | Model 3.1? | 57 | 15 | 1,290 |
6pcwrs | 40 | Model 3 Launch: More than just about the model 3? What are the odds Tesla announces something big other than the model 3? | I m expecting at least one and this is available on all our cars starting tonight on Friday. | Y do you ask… | 57 | 25 | 1,291 |
6pd9u3 | 129 | Why don t other car manufacturers make normal looking e-vehicles? Sorry that this post isn t directly about Tesla but i feel everyone in this sub is for the rapid transition of ICE vehicles to electric vehicles. Therefor some one could (maybe) answer my question. So... why do car manufactures make such gimmicky strange looking electric vehicles? Im thinking specifically about the Nissan leaf and Chevy bolt. They look pretty bad compared to Teslas however these car manufacturers have already produced vehicles that are considered by the public to be good looking. Further more both of these car manufacturers sell large amounts of normal looking cars such as the altima or impala. Whats stopping them from simply offering an all electric altima? | EVs = less maintenence = less profit for dealers EVs = longer vehicle life = less often you buy a new vehicle EVs = too expensive to make without investments = keep the status quo until absolutely necessary | I ve often wondered this myself. The only thing I can come up with is that since the cars are different in their function the designers feel that they need to look different too? | 76 | 2 | 1,292 |
6pd9u3 | 129 | Why don t other car manufacturers make normal looking e-vehicles? Sorry that this post isn t directly about Tesla but i feel everyone in this sub is for the rapid transition of ICE vehicles to electric vehicles. Therefor some one could (maybe) answer my question. So... why do car manufactures make such gimmicky strange looking electric vehicles? Im thinking specifically about the Nissan leaf and Chevy bolt. They look pretty bad compared to Teslas however these car manufacturers have already produced vehicles that are considered by the public to be good looking. Further more both of these car manufacturers sell large amounts of normal looking cars such as the altima or impala. Whats stopping them from simply offering an all electric altima? | EVs = less maintenence = less profit for dealers EVs = longer vehicle life = less often you buy a new vehicle EVs = too expensive to make without investments = keep the status quo until absolutely necessary | The hybrids look kinda the same. | 76 | 3 | 1,293 |
6pd9u3 | 129 | Why don t other car manufacturers make normal looking e-vehicles? Sorry that this post isn t directly about Tesla but i feel everyone in this sub is for the rapid transition of ICE vehicles to electric vehicles. Therefor some one could (maybe) answer my question. So... why do car manufactures make such gimmicky strange looking electric vehicles? Im thinking specifically about the Nissan leaf and Chevy bolt. They look pretty bad compared to Teslas however these car manufacturers have already produced vehicles that are considered by the public to be good looking. Further more both of these car manufacturers sell large amounts of normal looking cars such as the altima or impala. Whats stopping them from simply offering an all electric altima? | EVs = less maintenence = less profit for dealers EVs = longer vehicle life = less often you buy a new vehicle EVs = too expensive to make without investments = keep the status quo until absolutely necessary | Because they make them because they have to. They don t want them to become popular because that means investing a lot of money to change their company. | 76 | 12 | 1,294 |
6pfdpc | 185 | No matter what new details come out on Friday I m keeping my Model 3 Reservation I was fortunate enough to lock in a reservation the day of the launch prior to even seeing the car. With 400 000+ reservations there is so much demand for this car I truly believe resale pricing will go higher than buying new for a brief period of time. People who start seeing the car on the road and want to buy one have to wait over a year to get one. I highly doubt I will want to sell the car but it feels good to know that if I did there s a hell if a market for it. | I m keeping my reservation until the car shows up in my driveway :) | I wouldn t count on being able to sell your car early and making a profit most people would just buy the s or wait. | 62 | 28 | 1,295 |
6pfdpc | 185 | No matter what new details come out on Friday I m keeping my Model 3 Reservation I was fortunate enough to lock in a reservation the day of the launch prior to even seeing the car. With 400 000+ reservations there is so much demand for this car I truly believe resale pricing will go higher than buying new for a brief period of time. People who start seeing the car on the road and want to buy one have to wait over a year to get one. I highly doubt I will want to sell the car but it feels good to know that if I did there s a hell if a market for it. | I m absolutely keeping the reservation until I at least test drive the car. | Going to agree with you there. Like a dope I caved and bought an S because I couldn t wait and have apparently zero fiscal self control. However I m keeping the 3 reservation! I see one of three things happening. 1) My dad may take my 3 2) Keep the reservation and keep kicking the can down the road until there exists a Model Y (assumed to be a CUV) that my wife will take. 3) Sell the S take a huge bath on the first 2 years of depreciation and get into a well optioned model 3. Honestly I m hoping for #1 because it would be awesome to get another Tesla into the family. | 64 | 36 | 1,296 |
6pfdpc | 185 | No matter what new details come out on Friday I m keeping my Model 3 Reservation I was fortunate enough to lock in a reservation the day of the launch prior to even seeing the car. With 400 000+ reservations there is so much demand for this car I truly believe resale pricing will go higher than buying new for a brief period of time. People who start seeing the car on the road and want to buy one have to wait over a year to get one. I highly doubt I will want to sell the car but it feels good to know that if I did there s a hell if a market for it. | I m keeping my reservation until the car shows up in my driveway :) | Going to agree with you there. Like a dope I caved and bought an S because I couldn t wait and have apparently zero fiscal self control. However I m keeping the 3 reservation! I see one of three things happening. 1) My dad may take my 3 2) Keep the reservation and keep kicking the can down the road until there exists a Model Y (assumed to be a CUV) that my wife will take. 3) Sell the S take a huge bath on the first 2 years of depreciation and get into a well optioned model 3. Honestly I m hoping for #1 because it would be awesome to get another Tesla into the family. | 62 | 36 | 1,297 |
6phbno | 57 | Last update may have bricked my car [final update probably] [Thread Part 1](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6nanze last_update_may_have_bricked_my_car ) [Thread Part 2](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6o9h5y last_update_may_have_bricked_my_car_update ) Car is *fixed* * now. Computer and display unit were replaced and it can drive and do other car things again. No one still knows what the heck went wrong with it in the first place. Apparently they re sending the broken computer off to some higher up place to figure out what went wrong and determine if it was a bad update or some other hardware failure. I really don t expect to hear back about it. And I am stuck with the bill ($2 500 for a refurb MCU so not as bad as expected). **fixed* because I guess the Tesla phone apps just don t work with my car now? I can control the AC and see where it is but can t lock unlock activate keyless driving open unlock charge port etc. Tried on multiple devices logged out and in rebooted phone rebooted car... nothing. What? **edit** Yes I m still fighting this and at the very least trying to get an explanation for what went wrong. | Please send me a PM with your VIN# and will have our team dig in to help | Did you agree to allow them to keep the old unit? That unit is your property unless they provide the replacement for free. Get it back or get the repair for free. | 69 | 4 | 1,298 |
6phbno | 57 | Last update may have bricked my car [final update probably] [Thread Part 1](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6nanze last_update_may_have_bricked_my_car ) [Thread Part 2](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6o9h5y last_update_may_have_bricked_my_car_update ) Car is *fixed* * now. Computer and display unit were replaced and it can drive and do other car things again. No one still knows what the heck went wrong with it in the first place. Apparently they re sending the broken computer off to some higher up place to figure out what went wrong and determine if it was a bad update or some other hardware failure. I really don t expect to hear back about it. And I am stuck with the bill ($2 500 for a refurb MCU so not as bad as expected). **fixed* because I guess the Tesla phone apps just don t work with my car now? I can control the AC and see where it is but can t lock unlock activate keyless driving open unlock charge port etc. Tried on multiple devices logged out and in rebooted phone rebooted car... nothing. What? **edit** Yes I m still fighting this and at the very least trying to get an explanation for what went wrong. | Please send me a PM with your VIN# and will have our team dig in to help | Actually do keep us updated on this | 69 | 6 | 1,299 |
6phbno | 57 | Last update may have bricked my car [final update probably] [Thread Part 1](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6nanze last_update_may_have_bricked_my_car ) [Thread Part 2](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6o9h5y last_update_may_have_bricked_my_car_update ) Car is *fixed* * now. Computer and display unit were replaced and it can drive and do other car things again. No one still knows what the heck went wrong with it in the first place. Apparently they re sending the broken computer off to some higher up place to figure out what went wrong and determine if it was a bad update or some other hardware failure. I really don t expect to hear back about it. And I am stuck with the bill ($2 500 for a refurb MCU so not as bad as expected). **fixed* because I guess the Tesla phone apps just don t work with my car now? I can control the AC and see where it is but can t lock unlock activate keyless driving open unlock charge port etc. Tried on multiple devices logged out and in rebooted phone rebooted car... nothing. What? **edit** Yes I m still fighting this and at the very least trying to get an explanation for what went wrong. | Please send me a PM with your VIN# and will have our team dig in to help | > *fixed because I guess the Tesla phone apps just don t work with my car now? I can control the AC and see where it is but can t lock unlock activate keyless driving open unlock charge port etc Don t you need to enable it in the cars settings? Don t know from the top off my head where it s located or what it s called but I guess somethhing allow remote cotrol something something . Also I don t see why you d have to pay a bill for something Tesla bricked... | 69 | 7 | 1,300 |
6piioq | 285 | Please stop trespassing for Model 3 shots Rule Input Changes Good afternoon fellow Tesla fans owners investors etc Recently we have had quite a lot of Model 3 pics. These are great and thank you everyone for the contributions. And yes we know that those trespassing are not all Reddit users... but some are by their own admission. There are some legal and ethical issues to address: **First from a ethical standpoint: we don t want to encourage this behavior especially for silly internet points.** We have plenty of shots of the Model 3. I understand some people (*cough cough maybe a mod*) want battery pics or other hidden features pics. Those are not so important that we want anyone to be harassed kicked out of private property etc. **Second from a legal standpoint we also don t want mods making legal decisions without concrete proof.** Often this is very hard to get unless we get a direct message from Tesla Security. This has only happened once in the past where Model X design drawings were released by a supplier in violation of a Non-Disclosure Agreement (which Tesla security provided proof of and post was removed). We have to balance the legal ethical issues (which are not always the same) with freedom of speech. Often that falls into a gray area. Personally and as a mod team we are having a tough time making this decision. On one hand ethically we don t want to encourage the potentially illegal actions and allow user to post get karma etc. On the other hand people lie on the internet for attention... and if something was truly illegally obtained and company has a problem with it they should reach out and we d be happy to investigate. So rather than announce a new rule position **we d like your input.** Personally **my idea is that we remove any pics posts where user admits to trespassing being kicked-out as well as any pics posts where Tesla security contacts us directly and provides proof of legal violation.** Any other posts that do not fall into those categories (even if gray area and seem like they might) be allowed as we don t want to make assumptions and remove content. Note: I realize this will all calm down in a few days and we will change Model 3 sightings to weekly experiences thread. However Model Y Roadster etc will come out in the coming years and we might as well set up parameters now. [Let us know what you think in this thread. Thanks! -The Mod Team](http: vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net animal-jam-clans-1 images 7 70 Talk-amongst-yourselves.gif revision latest?cb=20150811170656) *edit* I have removed the Weekly Stickies thread temporarily for this discussion. It will be replaced in the near future and you can still access those from the sidebar | To be fair I never got an even vague impression u 110110 was encouraging people to break into Tesla HQ and find the battery sticker. We just had 230983 images of these cars in public and no one had taken one you can get basically taking a pic of the wheel well (or at least thought at the time.) These seem like fair rules. You re not really obligated to make this an anything-goes place anyway free speech wise. If it s in private it s in private. If it s covered in public respect the cover. If it s just sitting there it s just sitting there. | Won t this be all over with after Friday? | 57 | 3 | 1,301 |
6piioq | 285 | Please stop trespassing for Model 3 shots Rule Input Changes Good afternoon fellow Tesla fans owners investors etc Recently we have had quite a lot of Model 3 pics. These are great and thank you everyone for the contributions. And yes we know that those trespassing are not all Reddit users... but some are by their own admission. There are some legal and ethical issues to address: **First from a ethical standpoint: we don t want to encourage this behavior especially for silly internet points.** We have plenty of shots of the Model 3. I understand some people (*cough cough maybe a mod*) want battery pics or other hidden features pics. Those are not so important that we want anyone to be harassed kicked out of private property etc. **Second from a legal standpoint we also don t want mods making legal decisions without concrete proof.** Often this is very hard to get unless we get a direct message from Tesla Security. This has only happened once in the past where Model X design drawings were released by a supplier in violation of a Non-Disclosure Agreement (which Tesla security provided proof of and post was removed). We have to balance the legal ethical issues (which are not always the same) with freedom of speech. Often that falls into a gray area. Personally and as a mod team we are having a tough time making this decision. On one hand ethically we don t want to encourage the potentially illegal actions and allow user to post get karma etc. On the other hand people lie on the internet for attention... and if something was truly illegally obtained and company has a problem with it they should reach out and we d be happy to investigate. So rather than announce a new rule position **we d like your input.** Personally **my idea is that we remove any pics posts where user admits to trespassing being kicked-out as well as any pics posts where Tesla security contacts us directly and provides proof of legal violation.** Any other posts that do not fall into those categories (even if gray area and seem like they might) be allowed as we don t want to make assumptions and remove content. Note: I realize this will all calm down in a few days and we will change Model 3 sightings to weekly experiences thread. However Model Y Roadster etc will come out in the coming years and we might as well set up parameters now. [Let us know what you think in this thread. Thanks! -The Mod Team](http: vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net animal-jam-clans-1 images 7 70 Talk-amongst-yourselves.gif revision latest?cb=20150811170656) *edit* I have removed the Weekly Stickies thread temporarily for this discussion. It will be replaced in the near future and you can still access those from the sidebar | To be fair I never got an even vague impression u 110110 was encouraging people to break into Tesla HQ and find the battery sticker. We just had 230983 images of these cars in public and no one had taken one you can get basically taking a pic of the wheel well (or at least thought at the time.) These seem like fair rules. You re not really obligated to make this an anything-goes place anyway free speech wise. If it s in private it s in private. If it s covered in public respect the cover. If it s just sitting there it s just sitting there. | I knew u AutoModerator was the one pushing all of those comments out of my account. [It is going to have to be terminated.](https: media.giphy.com media gFwZfXIqD0eNW giphy.gif) | 57 | 12 | 1,302 |
6pjmon | 161 | From a Tesla Employee Perspective I just want to vent. Often times the public gets wrapped up in emotion and views an entire company as one entity where everyone in that company are cut out of the exact same cloth. It often bugs me when I read comments or articles about Tesla Killer This and Here s Why Tesla Sucks That etc. If we remove all of that drama and just distill it down to human core values then we may ask ourselves why are we so emotionally drawn to Tesla? What I m getting at is that when I step back and look at my fellow associates who I work with some of these people have kids they need to feed. Single mothers who need to provide for their families married couples who work 40hrs+ a week and just barely manage to slice out some time for the youngins young people in their 20s trying to pay off student loans people who took MASSIVE pay cuts to work for less than $40 000 a year in a city that has some of the highest rent in the United States. Yet day in and day out at certain sales locations and depending on who you work with it s the equivalent of working at a psychiatric ward of a hospital without any of the recognition that doctors or nurses receive. Yes there are good days and bad days but I guarantee you a lot of you out there on the forums wouldn t have thick enough skin to last for many years I have in this company. In sales you re just looked at by the general public as a Car Salesman. You know the one with slick back hair and hairy forearms? I want to stress that experiences at Tesla can differ GRAVELY from one department to the next and even one location to the next. I have been fortunate to experience multiple sales locations and departments. I m really happy to have a job that pays adequately to my standards of living. It takes a certain type of personality to work at Tesla and I have seen many people come in wide-eyed and full of passion only to be seen leaving months later disappointed and burnt out. Not disappointed in the company but more-so burnt out at the amount of energy required to work here. I have seen incredibly qualified associates be passed up on for a promotion who definitely deserved recognition. In which the promotion went to an outside hiring of individuals who have never had any experience in the car business being thrown directly into managerial positions. I apologize for the rant but I felt like you guys would understand. I believe more employees at Tesla could use an outlet to let their feelings be heard without repercussions. I m willing to discuss given that sensibleness prevails. TL DR: I love my job just remember we re people too. Same department but diff locations make a big difference. Everyone has good days and bad days. Tesla requires a *shit*TON of physical and emotional energy to last years at the company. Older lazy unmotivated folks usually don t make it (at least in sales). PLEASE DON T READ THIS AS NEGATIVITY I m just someone who s venting. *editting for grammar* | I would just point out for all the haters there s way more lovers and enthusiasts. I fucking love Tesla. I love the cars I love the mission statement I love the CEO I love that Tesla is succeeding despite opposition from every front I love run on sentences. I literally cannot go a single day without talking about Tesla. (Drives my wife nuts!) Everyone that hasn t seen me in awhile first they bring up is Tesla. It s literally become part of my identity and i don t even yet own one! I am about to order a Model X for my wife family and I will be getting a Model 3. Yeah I don t pretend to know how the sausage is made and maybe wouldn t like it as much if i knew the real story if there is one but that goes for anything. Thank you for working at Tesla I love everything you guys do and don t get hung up on the haters just because they are the loudest voice. Plenty of us out there that love what you guys do and very much appreciate it. | Thank you for handling your stress like an adult. Great things are happening! | 32 | 2 | 1,303 |
6pjmon | 161 | From a Tesla Employee Perspective I just want to vent. Often times the public gets wrapped up in emotion and views an entire company as one entity where everyone in that company are cut out of the exact same cloth. It often bugs me when I read comments or articles about Tesla Killer This and Here s Why Tesla Sucks That etc. If we remove all of that drama and just distill it down to human core values then we may ask ourselves why are we so emotionally drawn to Tesla? What I m getting at is that when I step back and look at my fellow associates who I work with some of these people have kids they need to feed. Single mothers who need to provide for their families married couples who work 40hrs+ a week and just barely manage to slice out some time for the youngins young people in their 20s trying to pay off student loans people who took MASSIVE pay cuts to work for less than $40 000 a year in a city that has some of the highest rent in the United States. Yet day in and day out at certain sales locations and depending on who you work with it s the equivalent of working at a psychiatric ward of a hospital without any of the recognition that doctors or nurses receive. Yes there are good days and bad days but I guarantee you a lot of you out there on the forums wouldn t have thick enough skin to last for many years I have in this company. In sales you re just looked at by the general public as a Car Salesman. You know the one with slick back hair and hairy forearms? I want to stress that experiences at Tesla can differ GRAVELY from one department to the next and even one location to the next. I have been fortunate to experience multiple sales locations and departments. I m really happy to have a job that pays adequately to my standards of living. It takes a certain type of personality to work at Tesla and I have seen many people come in wide-eyed and full of passion only to be seen leaving months later disappointed and burnt out. Not disappointed in the company but more-so burnt out at the amount of energy required to work here. I have seen incredibly qualified associates be passed up on for a promotion who definitely deserved recognition. In which the promotion went to an outside hiring of individuals who have never had any experience in the car business being thrown directly into managerial positions. I apologize for the rant but I felt like you guys would understand. I believe more employees at Tesla could use an outlet to let their feelings be heard without repercussions. I m willing to discuss given that sensibleness prevails. TL DR: I love my job just remember we re people too. Same department but diff locations make a big difference. Everyone has good days and bad days. Tesla requires a *shit*TON of physical and emotional energy to last years at the company. Older lazy unmotivated folks usually don t make it (at least in sales). PLEASE DON T READ THIS AS NEGATIVITY I m just someone who s venting. *editting for grammar* | I would just point out for all the haters there s way more lovers and enthusiasts. I fucking love Tesla. I love the cars I love the mission statement I love the CEO I love that Tesla is succeeding despite opposition from every front I love run on sentences. I literally cannot go a single day without talking about Tesla. (Drives my wife nuts!) Everyone that hasn t seen me in awhile first they bring up is Tesla. It s literally become part of my identity and i don t even yet own one! I am about to order a Model X for my wife family and I will be getting a Model 3. Yeah I don t pretend to know how the sausage is made and maybe wouldn t like it as much if i knew the real story if there is one but that goes for anything. Thank you for working at Tesla I love everything you guys do and don t get hung up on the haters just because they are the loudest voice. Plenty of us out there that love what you guys do and very much appreciate it. | Hey we appreciate what you re doing. Keep fighting the good fight. Meanwhile keep in mind that you don t have to do this. If it s impacting your life and bringing you down go do something else. Don t let this job or any job compromise your well-being. You only get one life. | 32 | 4 | 1,304 |
6pl1ou | 89 | Anyone else hoping Tesla will reveal the total number of reservations so far at the reveal? Tesla has clarified that even with cancellations there has always been a net increase in reservations. So to me it would be big news if they did indeed hit 400 000 or 500 000 reservations. I know it could turn some people away to know just how big the line is but it would also manage expectations. To me it s just love to hear the reporting on 500 000 reservations x an average selling price of $42 000 | Bet they won t. Elon already said he doesn t want to deter sales by saying reservations. | I bet they will. | 31 | 5 | 1,305 |
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