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6fuwdq | 472 | Tesla Project Loveday Submission Megathread Project Loveday entries are officially [closed](https: www.tesla.com project-loveday)! Gathered as many submissions as possible into one place in no particular order for your viewing pleasure. I know an attempt at a YouTube playlist was made but that s tough to keep updated plus the nice thing about a megathread is you can talk about everything at once in one place. Definitely link any others I may have missed in the comments and I ll add them here. Enjoy! [MKBHD Project Loveday](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=oSnoYEzZnUg) [Spaceships for Earth](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=tTkNWiYR_Vo) [Your Sun](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=16yoUARpQCE) [Hope](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=SM96Ft-chPk) [Quietly Beautiful](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=rVbJT9BBiDU) [Modern Spaceship](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=hcoqwgbrgYc& t=0s) [Future](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3MHG9y2N9vE& feature=youtu.be) [Spring](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=-KOnHBwh_Gs& feature=youtu.be) [Play](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=NXS95yJKo7s) [Sonja s Super Quick Fan Video](https: youtu.be 4y4rhK-OB5Q) [Reevaluate Your Life](https: youtu.be VoRoSx6x64Y) [Our Only Home](https: youtu.be k4JyB-X31Ok) [WSPR Loveday](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=QNm_17_WoDs) [Valet to the Vet](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=xcuaII5smRk) [The Future](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=u11E9DdWrGM) [Miles Ahead](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=t--PGuLrncQ) [A Better Future](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=PkVouc84MRg) [Energy](https: vimeo.com 220273760) [Why Would You?](https: youtu.be Rdhb2UZQv2A) [Real Life Experience](https: youtu.be W0ksRUgxOPE) [Betty and Clive](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=w6468pYMoIY) [Model 3 in 1 minute](https: youtu.be MRpG0jPYFWI) [Embrace the Energy](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=IxUiMyyUvCA) [Driver Test](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=2rQxof924HA) [The Plan](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=9Npwe8h22SM) [For Everyone](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Rmr1vup_gdE) [Let Us Go Together](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=JQWymVRs5Ug) [The Secret](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=oaZx9d9kGA4) [Tesla vs Gravity](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=5HjYCa5Vit8) [RDY2GO](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=2qI7420wmwo) [Strive for the Impossible!](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=fYuvOMnDRdc) [Pure Imagination](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=xlxUHEIycyg& feature=youtu.be) [Sustain](https: youtu.be YlLyTA2RIYQ) [For the Future](https: youtu.be iVvvKtLS1TQ) [Our Children Know](https: youtu.be oNklEMXH1AY) [Turn Back the Time](https: youtu.be 8o81iSPuyqI) [Legalize It](https: youtu.be Z78exOsTVYo) [Weil Media](https: youtu.be KJURIF4aYYI) [Summon Feature](https: youtu.be PHFGVxkeAtQ) [Owen](https: youtu.be MYQ43SNAifo) [Animated Loveday](https: youtu.be C6ciJXWUVPU) [Dream On](https: youtu.be K8wG46FRDao) [Night Driving](https: youtu.be cZCJIOHgkSc) [I Dream of a World](https: youtu.be rBR2mpCV254) [Seek](https: youtu.be 0-70N7ygZJY) [For our Future](https: youtu.be v8r6QDkGrxA) [Family Rivalry](https: youtu.be aMUTh-mWths) [0-60 in 2.5 seconds](https: youtu.be hu1uoyb24Mg) | Creates a megathread. Links his own submission at the top ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) *here s a megathread of all the submissions but first you should watch my submission* | After seeing the Modern Spaceship video it s confirmed! 100% chance of HUD! s Good Video :) | 98 | 2 | 1,106 |
6fuwdq | 472 | Tesla Project Loveday Submission Megathread Project Loveday entries are officially [closed](https: www.tesla.com project-loveday)! Gathered as many submissions as possible into one place in no particular order for your viewing pleasure. I know an attempt at a YouTube playlist was made but that s tough to keep updated plus the nice thing about a megathread is you can talk about everything at once in one place. Definitely link any others I may have missed in the comments and I ll add them here. Enjoy! [MKBHD Project Loveday](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=oSnoYEzZnUg) [Spaceships for Earth](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=tTkNWiYR_Vo) [Your Sun](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=16yoUARpQCE) [Hope](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=SM96Ft-chPk) [Quietly Beautiful](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=rVbJT9BBiDU) [Modern Spaceship](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=hcoqwgbrgYc& t=0s) [Future](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3MHG9y2N9vE& feature=youtu.be) [Spring](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=-KOnHBwh_Gs& feature=youtu.be) [Play](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=NXS95yJKo7s) [Sonja s Super Quick Fan Video](https: youtu.be 4y4rhK-OB5Q) [Reevaluate Your Life](https: youtu.be VoRoSx6x64Y) [Our Only Home](https: youtu.be k4JyB-X31Ok) [WSPR Loveday](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=QNm_17_WoDs) [Valet to the Vet](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=xcuaII5smRk) [The Future](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=u11E9DdWrGM) [Miles Ahead](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=t--PGuLrncQ) [A Better Future](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=PkVouc84MRg) [Energy](https: vimeo.com 220273760) [Why Would You?](https: youtu.be Rdhb2UZQv2A) [Real Life Experience](https: youtu.be W0ksRUgxOPE) [Betty and Clive](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=w6468pYMoIY) [Model 3 in 1 minute](https: youtu.be MRpG0jPYFWI) [Embrace the Energy](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=IxUiMyyUvCA) [Driver Test](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=2rQxof924HA) [The Plan](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=9Npwe8h22SM) [For Everyone](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Rmr1vup_gdE) [Let Us Go Together](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=JQWymVRs5Ug) [The Secret](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=oaZx9d9kGA4) [Tesla vs Gravity](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=5HjYCa5Vit8) [RDY2GO](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=2qI7420wmwo) [Strive for the Impossible!](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=fYuvOMnDRdc) [Pure Imagination](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=xlxUHEIycyg& feature=youtu.be) [Sustain](https: youtu.be YlLyTA2RIYQ) [For the Future](https: youtu.be iVvvKtLS1TQ) [Our Children Know](https: youtu.be oNklEMXH1AY) [Turn Back the Time](https: youtu.be 8o81iSPuyqI) [Legalize It](https: youtu.be Z78exOsTVYo) [Weil Media](https: youtu.be KJURIF4aYYI) [Summon Feature](https: youtu.be PHFGVxkeAtQ) [Owen](https: youtu.be MYQ43SNAifo) [Animated Loveday](https: youtu.be C6ciJXWUVPU) [Dream On](https: youtu.be K8wG46FRDao) [Night Driving](https: youtu.be cZCJIOHgkSc) [I Dream of a World](https: youtu.be rBR2mpCV254) [Seek](https: youtu.be 0-70N7ygZJY) [For our Future](https: youtu.be v8r6QDkGrxA) [Family Rivalry](https: youtu.be aMUTh-mWths) [0-60 in 2.5 seconds](https: youtu.be hu1uoyb24Mg) | Creates a megathread. Links his own submission at the top ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) *here s a megathread of all the submissions but first you should watch my submission* | [Reaching Out To The Spiritual World](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=_0vyGPslvWw) | 98 | 6 | 1,107 |
6fuwdq | 472 | Tesla Project Loveday Submission Megathread Project Loveday entries are officially [closed](https: www.tesla.com project-loveday)! Gathered as many submissions as possible into one place in no particular order for your viewing pleasure. I know an attempt at a YouTube playlist was made but that s tough to keep updated plus the nice thing about a megathread is you can talk about everything at once in one place. Definitely link any others I may have missed in the comments and I ll add them here. Enjoy! [MKBHD Project Loveday](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=oSnoYEzZnUg) [Spaceships for Earth](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=tTkNWiYR_Vo) [Your Sun](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=16yoUARpQCE) [Hope](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=SM96Ft-chPk) [Quietly Beautiful](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=rVbJT9BBiDU) [Modern Spaceship](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=hcoqwgbrgYc& t=0s) [Future](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3MHG9y2N9vE& feature=youtu.be) [Spring](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=-KOnHBwh_Gs& feature=youtu.be) [Play](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=NXS95yJKo7s) [Sonja s Super Quick Fan Video](https: youtu.be 4y4rhK-OB5Q) [Reevaluate Your Life](https: youtu.be VoRoSx6x64Y) [Our Only Home](https: youtu.be k4JyB-X31Ok) [WSPR Loveday](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=QNm_17_WoDs) [Valet to the Vet](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=xcuaII5smRk) [The Future](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=u11E9DdWrGM) [Miles Ahead](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=t--PGuLrncQ) [A Better Future](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=PkVouc84MRg) [Energy](https: vimeo.com 220273760) [Why Would You?](https: youtu.be Rdhb2UZQv2A) [Real Life Experience](https: youtu.be W0ksRUgxOPE) [Betty and Clive](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=w6468pYMoIY) [Model 3 in 1 minute](https: youtu.be MRpG0jPYFWI) [Embrace the Energy](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=IxUiMyyUvCA) [Driver Test](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=2rQxof924HA) [The Plan](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=9Npwe8h22SM) [For Everyone](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Rmr1vup_gdE) [Let Us Go Together](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=JQWymVRs5Ug) [The Secret](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=oaZx9d9kGA4) [Tesla vs Gravity](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=5HjYCa5Vit8) [RDY2GO](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=2qI7420wmwo) [Strive for the Impossible!](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=fYuvOMnDRdc) [Pure Imagination](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=xlxUHEIycyg& feature=youtu.be) [Sustain](https: youtu.be YlLyTA2RIYQ) [For the Future](https: youtu.be iVvvKtLS1TQ) [Our Children Know](https: youtu.be oNklEMXH1AY) [Turn Back the Time](https: youtu.be 8o81iSPuyqI) [Legalize It](https: youtu.be Z78exOsTVYo) [Weil Media](https: youtu.be KJURIF4aYYI) [Summon Feature](https: youtu.be PHFGVxkeAtQ) [Owen](https: youtu.be MYQ43SNAifo) [Animated Loveday](https: youtu.be C6ciJXWUVPU) [Dream On](https: youtu.be K8wG46FRDao) [Night Driving](https: youtu.be cZCJIOHgkSc) [I Dream of a World](https: youtu.be rBR2mpCV254) [Seek](https: youtu.be 0-70N7ygZJY) [For our Future](https: youtu.be v8r6QDkGrxA) [Family Rivalry](https: youtu.be aMUTh-mWths) [0-60 in 2.5 seconds](https: youtu.be hu1uoyb24Mg) | Creates a megathread. Links his own submission at the top ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) *here s a megathread of all the submissions but first you should watch my submission* | Damn there s too many. | 98 | 9 | 1,108 |
6g3603 | 155 | Congrats to anyone riding the beast that TSLA has become. It s a monster. I should have jumped in last year when I wanted to but I hesitated. I keep telling myself it will come back down and every day I am kicking myself more and more. | Tesla is not a stock you want to trade day to day as the price fluctuates. Its value lies in the future. The day-to-day is too unpredictable but the future is undeniable. The difference between buying in at $350 and $370 is negligible if you think the stock is going to increase by a factor or 2 or 5 or 10 in coming years. If you believe in the company and even part of its vision comes to fruition Tesla will have a massive stake in the world s future. Personal transportation (including autopilot) trucking *energy production and storage*... am I forgetting anything? All that with beautiful design. Tesla has massive popular support. The world is ready for a change and many people are happy to see someone like Elon grab the reins and take us in a new direction. For me I just don t see how Tesla can fail. After reading the Fortune article about the demand in China for electric vehicles and the brand cache Tesla has over there... and they don t even have a joint venture in China producing cars yet! Chinese people are literally paying twice the US price to get their hands on an imported Tesla. Imagine what happens once Tesla actually opens a factory there? People talk about Chinese regulatory difficulties but just a few months ago Tencent (one of China s largest companies which owns among other things China s equivalent of Facebook) bought a 5% share in Tesla for almost $2b. With Tencent pushing for Tesla to succeed in China (business and government are closely tied in China) I m absolutely sure Tesla will thrive there. A gigafactory pushing out hundreds of thousands of Model Xs for sale specifically in China alone would justify today s stock price. That doesn t even begin to consider similar scenarios in countries around the world nor any of Tesla s other ventures. Buy today buy happily and sit back and enjoy the ride. | That s probably 90% of the people here that aren t yet investors. | 69 | 2 | 1,109 |
6g3603 | 155 | Congrats to anyone riding the beast that TSLA has become. It s a monster. I should have jumped in last year when I wanted to but I hesitated. I keep telling myself it will come back down and every day I am kicking myself more and more. | Tesla is not a stock you want to trade day to day as the price fluctuates. Its value lies in the future. The day-to-day is too unpredictable but the future is undeniable. The difference between buying in at $350 and $370 is negligible if you think the stock is going to increase by a factor or 2 or 5 or 10 in coming years. If you believe in the company and even part of its vision comes to fruition Tesla will have a massive stake in the world s future. Personal transportation (including autopilot) trucking *energy production and storage*... am I forgetting anything? All that with beautiful design. Tesla has massive popular support. The world is ready for a change and many people are happy to see someone like Elon grab the reins and take us in a new direction. For me I just don t see how Tesla can fail. After reading the Fortune article about the demand in China for electric vehicles and the brand cache Tesla has over there... and they don t even have a joint venture in China producing cars yet! Chinese people are literally paying twice the US price to get their hands on an imported Tesla. Imagine what happens once Tesla actually opens a factory there? People talk about Chinese regulatory difficulties but just a few months ago Tencent (one of China s largest companies which owns among other things China s equivalent of Facebook) bought a 5% share in Tesla for almost $2b. With Tencent pushing for Tesla to succeed in China (business and government are closely tied in China) I m absolutely sure Tesla will thrive there. A gigafactory pushing out hundreds of thousands of Model Xs for sale specifically in China alone would justify today s stock price. That doesn t even begin to consider similar scenarios in countries around the world nor any of Tesla s other ventures. Buy today buy happily and sit back and enjoy the ride. | Picked it up at 230. Was gonna add more in February 2016 the day I was picking my Tesla up but I chickened out. It was like $145 that day :( | 69 | 2 | 1,110 |
6g3603 | 155 | Congrats to anyone riding the beast that TSLA has become. It s a monster. I should have jumped in last year when I wanted to but I hesitated. I keep telling myself it will come back down and every day I am kicking myself more and more. | Tesla is not a stock you want to trade day to day as the price fluctuates. Its value lies in the future. The day-to-day is too unpredictable but the future is undeniable. The difference between buying in at $350 and $370 is negligible if you think the stock is going to increase by a factor or 2 or 5 or 10 in coming years. If you believe in the company and even part of its vision comes to fruition Tesla will have a massive stake in the world s future. Personal transportation (including autopilot) trucking *energy production and storage*... am I forgetting anything? All that with beautiful design. Tesla has massive popular support. The world is ready for a change and many people are happy to see someone like Elon grab the reins and take us in a new direction. For me I just don t see how Tesla can fail. After reading the Fortune article about the demand in China for electric vehicles and the brand cache Tesla has over there... and they don t even have a joint venture in China producing cars yet! Chinese people are literally paying twice the US price to get their hands on an imported Tesla. Imagine what happens once Tesla actually opens a factory there? People talk about Chinese regulatory difficulties but just a few months ago Tencent (one of China s largest companies which owns among other things China s equivalent of Facebook) bought a 5% share in Tesla for almost $2b. With Tencent pushing for Tesla to succeed in China (business and government are closely tied in China) I m absolutely sure Tesla will thrive there. A gigafactory pushing out hundreds of thousands of Model Xs for sale specifically in China alone would justify today s stock price. That doesn t even begin to consider similar scenarios in countries around the world nor any of Tesla s other ventures. Buy today buy happily and sit back and enjoy the ride. | I got some shares when they were 190$. Stock is crazy right now but I m wondering if I should sell it can t keep going up like this.. | 69 | 2 | 1,111 |
6ggdn2 | 176 | Interesting data gleaned from Model 3 release candidate tire choice As seen [here](https: i.imgur.com fwSK9Nx.jpg) the release candidate Model 3 sports a set of Continental ProContact RX tires in 235 40 R19 form factor. But there are more details to unpack (borrowing a term from u calebelston): These particular tires are nowhere to be found on Continental s website which is interesting in its own right (custom OEM s?). One detail you may have noticed in the photo is that the sidewall is stamped with EXTRA LOAD meaning that the Model 3 is going to be a bit of a heifer. Vehicles with extra load are typically 500-800lbs heavier than what would be found in the same car class. The stronger sidewalls handle the extra weight and also provide better tire feedback. In this particular case the per-tire load rating is 400lbs more than what you d find on a BMW 330i with the M-Sport package. Keep in mind the Model 3 s tires are already 10mm wider than the Beamer s which has a curb weight of 3 410lbs. This means the Model 3 likely tips the scale between 3 920 and 4 000lbs. Another clue to the Model 3 s performance based on this release candidate is the speed rating. These Continentals are rated at up to 168Mph. In contrast the OEM wheels on the 330i M-sport are rated to 186Mph. Typically manufacturers use tires with ratings that exceed the vehicle s capabilities. **EDIT:** Made correction to the tire speed rating made correction to extrapolated weight of Model 3. | Hold on. These are 96W mate. [Give this a read](https: www.tirerack.com tires tiretech techpage.jsp?techid=35). Speed-rating W = **168mph**--not 130mph. Load index 96 = gross vehicle weight of **6 260lbs.** --- Hankook [acknowledged they were the Model 3 tire supplier](http: www.teslarati.com tesla-selects-hankook-tire-supplier-model-3-tires ) back in 2016. They might ve been dropped? Or maybe the Performance versions have a different tire than the base version. | Thanks for the analysis that is interesting. On the [Continental website I found these](http: www.continentaltire.com product contiprocontact-23540r19-96v) isn t it the same? If so the site says the speed rating is 149mph. One thing I m very curious about is how long the tires last before I have to replace them. | 38 | 8 | 1,112 |
6ggdn2 | 176 | Interesting data gleaned from Model 3 release candidate tire choice As seen [here](https: i.imgur.com fwSK9Nx.jpg) the release candidate Model 3 sports a set of Continental ProContact RX tires in 235 40 R19 form factor. But there are more details to unpack (borrowing a term from u calebelston): These particular tires are nowhere to be found on Continental s website which is interesting in its own right (custom OEM s?). One detail you may have noticed in the photo is that the sidewall is stamped with EXTRA LOAD meaning that the Model 3 is going to be a bit of a heifer. Vehicles with extra load are typically 500-800lbs heavier than what would be found in the same car class. The stronger sidewalls handle the extra weight and also provide better tire feedback. In this particular case the per-tire load rating is 400lbs more than what you d find on a BMW 330i with the M-Sport package. Keep in mind the Model 3 s tires are already 10mm wider than the Beamer s which has a curb weight of 3 410lbs. This means the Model 3 likely tips the scale between 3 920 and 4 000lbs. Another clue to the Model 3 s performance based on this release candidate is the speed rating. These Continentals are rated at up to 168Mph. In contrast the OEM wheels on the 330i M-sport are rated to 186Mph. Typically manufacturers use tires with ratings that exceed the vehicle s capabilities. **EDIT:** Made correction to the tire speed rating made correction to extrapolated weight of Model 3. | Hold on. These are 96W mate. [Give this a read](https: www.tirerack.com tires tiretech techpage.jsp?techid=35). Speed-rating W = **168mph**--not 130mph. Load index 96 = gross vehicle weight of **6 260lbs.** --- Hankook [acknowledged they were the Model 3 tire supplier](http: www.teslarati.com tesla-selects-hankook-tire-supplier-model-3-tires ) back in 2016. They might ve been dropped? Or maybe the Performance versions have a different tire than the base version. | 120 mph = 193 km h | 38 | 9 | 1,113 |
6ggdn2 | 176 | Interesting data gleaned from Model 3 release candidate tire choice As seen [here](https: i.imgur.com fwSK9Nx.jpg) the release candidate Model 3 sports a set of Continental ProContact RX tires in 235 40 R19 form factor. But there are more details to unpack (borrowing a term from u calebelston): These particular tires are nowhere to be found on Continental s website which is interesting in its own right (custom OEM s?). One detail you may have noticed in the photo is that the sidewall is stamped with EXTRA LOAD meaning that the Model 3 is going to be a bit of a heifer. Vehicles with extra load are typically 500-800lbs heavier than what would be found in the same car class. The stronger sidewalls handle the extra weight and also provide better tire feedback. In this particular case the per-tire load rating is 400lbs more than what you d find on a BMW 330i with the M-Sport package. Keep in mind the Model 3 s tires are already 10mm wider than the Beamer s which has a curb weight of 3 410lbs. This means the Model 3 likely tips the scale between 3 920 and 4 000lbs. Another clue to the Model 3 s performance based on this release candidate is the speed rating. These Continentals are rated at up to 168Mph. In contrast the OEM wheels on the 330i M-sport are rated to 186Mph. Typically manufacturers use tires with ratings that exceed the vehicle s capabilities. **EDIT:** Made correction to the tire speed rating made correction to extrapolated weight of Model 3. | Hold on. These are 96W mate. [Give this a read](https: www.tirerack.com tires tiretech techpage.jsp?techid=35). Speed-rating W = **168mph**--not 130mph. Load index 96 = gross vehicle weight of **6 260lbs.** --- Hankook [acknowledged they were the Model 3 tire supplier](http: www.teslarati.com tesla-selects-hankook-tire-supplier-model-3-tires ) back in 2016. They might ve been dropped? Or maybe the Performance versions have a different tire than the base version. | Good catch! I will say that it isn t surprising stuff though. A Tesla is going to weight more than conventional cars based on batteries alone. Plus you don t want the car to go too fast because of how that ll drain the batteries. So the model 3 being limited in speed isn t a shock either. That said unless you re in Germany having speed limited to 120 isn t a big deal if you ask me. I have a car now that can go 140 mph and before that I had one that could go 155. I ve never driven a car even remotely that fast. Hell I rarely go 5 mph over the speed limit. | 38 | 11 | 1,114 |
6giiao | 3,220 | My Model X 90D Driver Side Falcon door opened on Freeway driving 65mph with my 6 y.o. sitting next to it Please see below our Tesla Experience... any input as to how we can share our story for child safety and expedite our refund from Tesla would be appreciated. This is our email to the service manager of Tesla Hi Sandra I m writing to you as per our telephone conversation to formally request Tesla to refund the cost of our Model X 90D vehicle due to its compliance with the California Lemon Law. We purchased the car on January 5 2017 and has had a slew of problems that will be detailed below. However the most notable problem that fall under the California Lemon Law is the driver side falcon door which despite at least three attempts to fix opened while driving on the highway. Thus it would fall under the part of the law that states “ Your vehicle s problems could cause death or serious bodily injury if it is driven and the manufacturer or dealer has made at least two unsuccessful repair attempts.” As a recap of our conversation you state that you have contacted the legal team and they responded that if the car is in compliance with the California Lemon Law the refund should be a “slam dunk.” This process will take between 4-8 weeks and you will assist in attempting to shorten the time as you have done successfully before. You were also adamant in helping us understand that you have had your engineers meticulously check through the car and replace the faulty parts. The car has now passed the quality checks and we are to return the loaner and pick up our car to drive as normal until the refund is fully processed. We were also asked to verbally approve a 100 mile test drive so that Tesla can do its due diligence for their quality check. However since the faulty parts that were replaced are the same that has been done before without full resolution of the problem I voiced my concerns in continuing to drive the car. As we purchased this car specifically for our parents who have difficulty getting in and out of our higher cars we would feel more assured if Tesla can give us a definitive assurance that the door has been fixed since we are forced to drive the car until the refund is complete. You informed us that Tesla as well as any automakers in the world would never give that sort of assurance that their fix would not break again. As my six year old son was sitting next to the falcon door that opened on the highway this is an answer that is very difficult for me to accept. I had pleaded with you to consult with your legal team to make sure that we are really unable to keep the loaner because driving the faulty car will give us additional anxiety. Also if the door is potentially not fixed the damages may be much more serious the next time and perhaps irrecoverable. My suggestion is as much for our family s safety as well as Tesla s decreased liability. You informed me that there is nothing more you can do for us. As the car is now ready for pickup on Friday and Tesla has a 72 hour window for pick up you have given us clearance for pick up of car on monday June 12 2017. Below I will go into a detailed timeline of our experience with Tesla. I hope this will help the refund go smoothly and efficiently. On Sept. 21 2015 we reserved our Model X On Jan. 11 2016 we configured our Model X. On Jan. 5 2017 we picked up the car and brought it home there was warning sign that there was low windshield fluid and the software needed to be updated at the service center only. Thus the car was not fully serviced upon delivery of car. On Jan. 7 2017 We were heading to a children s birthday party. The car started to beep non stop on the freeway. We had to pull over and call roadside assistance for help to reset the car twice before it returned to normal. On Jan. 9 2017 we brought back car and they updated software which took more than a few hours. They also filled the windshield wiper fluid to full. When we took the car back home after a couple of hours we realized our garage was flooded with windshield wiper fluid. Apparently the windshield wiper fluid container was cracked. On Jan. 10 2017 we brought the car back but they didn t have parts and we waited a week for it to come in. Meanwhile while we were doing paperwork for rebate and the HOV lane stickers we realized the VIN on all our paperwork were incorrect and we had to contact sales to get them rectified and resign all paperwork. On Jan. 16 2017 we brought in the car to fix the windshield wiper fluid container and resign all the paperworks. At this service we met Tanya Service Adviser who informed us if we had any issues to personally contact her and she will assist us at her utmost. However as the problems continue to arise Tanya no longer responded to our communications after the April falcon door incident. Along the way while more frequently on the highway driving we realized we were hearing wind sounds coming in from the right side passenger window. Also the passenger side falcon door was squeaking On Jan 26 2017 we brought the car back and the technician found the seal was not installed properly on the window and changed a new one. The door was also readjusted. On Jan 28 2017 while at the mall the driver side falcon door was unable to open no matter which button you press. However the car read the door as being opened. We immediately called roadside assistance they advised since the car seems safe to drive we should drive to our service center as it was a Saturday and they were still open. See service report to see work done. We picked up the car on Jan 30 2017. After this service we were upset at how many times we d visited this service center since pickup and they offered Tesla merchandise as compensation but we said no. We would at least want the first year service free. They agreed. In March the passenger side window with which they fixed the seal became increasingly squeaky when opening and closing the window. Thus we had to bring it in to service on Mar. 27 2017 to fix. On April 23 2017 at the Water Grill Restaurant in Costa Mesa the driver side falcon door was unable to open again despite pressing all different buttons. We left message at service center as they were closed on a Sunday and called roadside assistance to reinforce to the service center that we will need service on our car ASAP due to the car beeping that the door is open when it is not. Roadside assistance reassured us the car should be safe to drive due to it being ok the first time this happened. However once we got home after 45 minutes the car was still on because the falcon door is read as open. Roadside assistance request to manually turn off car and leave door open overnight as any motion in the car would turn it back on again. Roadside assistance was also confused as why the car did not turn off itself after 45 minutes as it should with no movement. On April 24 2017 we brought in the car for the fix and on April 25 2017 we were called to pick up the car as ready. However on April 25 upon pickup the technician was demonstrating that the door was fixed but after one attempt the door became stuck again and had to be immediately put back to be serviced. Despite the fact there is only one service ticket for this fix it should technically be counted as two as they were delivering the car to us the door broke and we had to make an extra trip on April 26 2017 to pick up the car they reassured us was fixed. On June 2 2017 we were at Toy R Us in costa mesa with our parents and our 6 year old son a total of 5 people. For context my son sits next to the driver side falcon door me in the center and my mom on the right. My husband and father are in the front. As we were leaving the left side falcon door was stuck again. We immediately called the service center due to it being Friday but since it was late in the day we left a message as they were already closed. We started to drive home because through our previous experience we were always advised to drive the car back to the service center as the car is still drivable. During the ride I was calling the roadside assistance to write up a ticket to reinforce to the service center to call us to schedule service first thing in the morning. While on the phone with roadside assistance I head a click in the door and the motor as the door started to lift open. I grabbed onto the door with my left hand and held on and the door had about a 2-3 inch gap. We had been on the road for approximately 15 minutes at this time and were on the 5 north freeway right before the Tustin Ranch Exit. We immediately exited and parked in the Tustin auto center. The door opened once we parked and clicked closed once the button was pressed. As we were close to home and can drive home via local streets we drove home. We informed roadside assistance to immediately set up a tow first thing in the morning on Saturday as my son s birthday party was on that day. In our eyes the car was not safe to drive and we were all severely traumatized by that event. Had the door opened the damages would have been irrecoverable and my son s life was put in imminent danger a feeling no parent should ever have to feel. As it is we are still forced to drive this car by Tesla due to our parents physical limitations. Per Roger the head technician during our phone call on Jun 6 2017 he is confident that he had pinpointed the problem of the door and he was very apologetic in not doing a more comprehensive check the few times before we came in for this problem. He is confident that the problem is fixed however Sandra you are unable to do the same before we pick up the car again. Again the conflicting messages worry me for the sake of my family s safety. We had high hopes for Tesla as indicated by how long we wait for our car. We are severely disappointed by the quality of the our Tesla and the customer service that we are receiving. Please review our case as soon as possible as we do not feel safe in this car. Please send me a confirmation that you have sent in our formal request to the legal team and they are actively processing our case. Thank you TL DR model x falcon door faulty attempt to fix 3 times opened during driving on highway put my child in danger tesla wants us to continue to drive car won t guarantee its fixed until they might might not refund car based on lemon law [service report](https: imgur.com gallery jkppp) Help: I did not lock this post for comments how do i unlock it. The post has been unblocked by the community moderators on 6 12 thank you to those assist me in doing this. We have just connected with Jon McNeil and he seems eager to assist us to resolve this issue. We will have to wait and see for the final results. I hope he helps us resolve this issue quickly. I see that there are many who think we ve sensationalized our story but unfortunately it is all true. It is really disheartening. Perhaps pooled may have been a better word than flooded but it doesn t take away from the fact that they delivered a over 6 figures car with a defect that should have been caught during their strict quality checks. However the main point is still the falcon door opened while we were driving on the freeway. We re grateful to be safe. We are hoping that they will let us keep loaner until the refund process is complete and that is all. That being said we can t control everyone s opinions and we re not trying to just sharing our experience so other who are considering the car can make more informed decision especially parents. I have attached the last service invoice. | This is terrible experience. Hopefully Tesla does right by you OP. If you don t get proper response post on TMC forum and tag JonMC. He s the head of global sales and service and is very responsive. Folks stop downvoting. Most people have good experience with Tesla but some don t. Those stories shouldn t be suppressed. It should be brought to Tesla s attention so they can fix it. | Hopefully you file a NHTSA complaint doors opening randomly is recall material. | 1,484 | 283 | 1,115 |
6giiao | 3,220 | My Model X 90D Driver Side Falcon door opened on Freeway driving 65mph with my 6 y.o. sitting next to it Please see below our Tesla Experience... any input as to how we can share our story for child safety and expedite our refund from Tesla would be appreciated. This is our email to the service manager of Tesla Hi Sandra I m writing to you as per our telephone conversation to formally request Tesla to refund the cost of our Model X 90D vehicle due to its compliance with the California Lemon Law. We purchased the car on January 5 2017 and has had a slew of problems that will be detailed below. However the most notable problem that fall under the California Lemon Law is the driver side falcon door which despite at least three attempts to fix opened while driving on the highway. Thus it would fall under the part of the law that states “ Your vehicle s problems could cause death or serious bodily injury if it is driven and the manufacturer or dealer has made at least two unsuccessful repair attempts.” As a recap of our conversation you state that you have contacted the legal team and they responded that if the car is in compliance with the California Lemon Law the refund should be a “slam dunk.” This process will take between 4-8 weeks and you will assist in attempting to shorten the time as you have done successfully before. You were also adamant in helping us understand that you have had your engineers meticulously check through the car and replace the faulty parts. The car has now passed the quality checks and we are to return the loaner and pick up our car to drive as normal until the refund is fully processed. We were also asked to verbally approve a 100 mile test drive so that Tesla can do its due diligence for their quality check. However since the faulty parts that were replaced are the same that has been done before without full resolution of the problem I voiced my concerns in continuing to drive the car. As we purchased this car specifically for our parents who have difficulty getting in and out of our higher cars we would feel more assured if Tesla can give us a definitive assurance that the door has been fixed since we are forced to drive the car until the refund is complete. You informed us that Tesla as well as any automakers in the world would never give that sort of assurance that their fix would not break again. As my six year old son was sitting next to the falcon door that opened on the highway this is an answer that is very difficult for me to accept. I had pleaded with you to consult with your legal team to make sure that we are really unable to keep the loaner because driving the faulty car will give us additional anxiety. Also if the door is potentially not fixed the damages may be much more serious the next time and perhaps irrecoverable. My suggestion is as much for our family s safety as well as Tesla s decreased liability. You informed me that there is nothing more you can do for us. As the car is now ready for pickup on Friday and Tesla has a 72 hour window for pick up you have given us clearance for pick up of car on monday June 12 2017. Below I will go into a detailed timeline of our experience with Tesla. I hope this will help the refund go smoothly and efficiently. On Sept. 21 2015 we reserved our Model X On Jan. 11 2016 we configured our Model X. On Jan. 5 2017 we picked up the car and brought it home there was warning sign that there was low windshield fluid and the software needed to be updated at the service center only. Thus the car was not fully serviced upon delivery of car. On Jan. 7 2017 We were heading to a children s birthday party. The car started to beep non stop on the freeway. We had to pull over and call roadside assistance for help to reset the car twice before it returned to normal. On Jan. 9 2017 we brought back car and they updated software which took more than a few hours. They also filled the windshield wiper fluid to full. When we took the car back home after a couple of hours we realized our garage was flooded with windshield wiper fluid. Apparently the windshield wiper fluid container was cracked. On Jan. 10 2017 we brought the car back but they didn t have parts and we waited a week for it to come in. Meanwhile while we were doing paperwork for rebate and the HOV lane stickers we realized the VIN on all our paperwork were incorrect and we had to contact sales to get them rectified and resign all paperwork. On Jan. 16 2017 we brought in the car to fix the windshield wiper fluid container and resign all the paperworks. At this service we met Tanya Service Adviser who informed us if we had any issues to personally contact her and she will assist us at her utmost. However as the problems continue to arise Tanya no longer responded to our communications after the April falcon door incident. Along the way while more frequently on the highway driving we realized we were hearing wind sounds coming in from the right side passenger window. Also the passenger side falcon door was squeaking On Jan 26 2017 we brought the car back and the technician found the seal was not installed properly on the window and changed a new one. The door was also readjusted. On Jan 28 2017 while at the mall the driver side falcon door was unable to open no matter which button you press. However the car read the door as being opened. We immediately called roadside assistance they advised since the car seems safe to drive we should drive to our service center as it was a Saturday and they were still open. See service report to see work done. We picked up the car on Jan 30 2017. After this service we were upset at how many times we d visited this service center since pickup and they offered Tesla merchandise as compensation but we said no. We would at least want the first year service free. They agreed. In March the passenger side window with which they fixed the seal became increasingly squeaky when opening and closing the window. Thus we had to bring it in to service on Mar. 27 2017 to fix. On April 23 2017 at the Water Grill Restaurant in Costa Mesa the driver side falcon door was unable to open again despite pressing all different buttons. We left message at service center as they were closed on a Sunday and called roadside assistance to reinforce to the service center that we will need service on our car ASAP due to the car beeping that the door is open when it is not. Roadside assistance reassured us the car should be safe to drive due to it being ok the first time this happened. However once we got home after 45 minutes the car was still on because the falcon door is read as open. Roadside assistance request to manually turn off car and leave door open overnight as any motion in the car would turn it back on again. Roadside assistance was also confused as why the car did not turn off itself after 45 minutes as it should with no movement. On April 24 2017 we brought in the car for the fix and on April 25 2017 we were called to pick up the car as ready. However on April 25 upon pickup the technician was demonstrating that the door was fixed but after one attempt the door became stuck again and had to be immediately put back to be serviced. Despite the fact there is only one service ticket for this fix it should technically be counted as two as they were delivering the car to us the door broke and we had to make an extra trip on April 26 2017 to pick up the car they reassured us was fixed. On June 2 2017 we were at Toy R Us in costa mesa with our parents and our 6 year old son a total of 5 people. For context my son sits next to the driver side falcon door me in the center and my mom on the right. My husband and father are in the front. As we were leaving the left side falcon door was stuck again. We immediately called the service center due to it being Friday but since it was late in the day we left a message as they were already closed. We started to drive home because through our previous experience we were always advised to drive the car back to the service center as the car is still drivable. During the ride I was calling the roadside assistance to write up a ticket to reinforce to the service center to call us to schedule service first thing in the morning. While on the phone with roadside assistance I head a click in the door and the motor as the door started to lift open. I grabbed onto the door with my left hand and held on and the door had about a 2-3 inch gap. We had been on the road for approximately 15 minutes at this time and were on the 5 north freeway right before the Tustin Ranch Exit. We immediately exited and parked in the Tustin auto center. The door opened once we parked and clicked closed once the button was pressed. As we were close to home and can drive home via local streets we drove home. We informed roadside assistance to immediately set up a tow first thing in the morning on Saturday as my son s birthday party was on that day. In our eyes the car was not safe to drive and we were all severely traumatized by that event. Had the door opened the damages would have been irrecoverable and my son s life was put in imminent danger a feeling no parent should ever have to feel. As it is we are still forced to drive this car by Tesla due to our parents physical limitations. Per Roger the head technician during our phone call on Jun 6 2017 he is confident that he had pinpointed the problem of the door and he was very apologetic in not doing a more comprehensive check the few times before we came in for this problem. He is confident that the problem is fixed however Sandra you are unable to do the same before we pick up the car again. Again the conflicting messages worry me for the sake of my family s safety. We had high hopes for Tesla as indicated by how long we wait for our car. We are severely disappointed by the quality of the our Tesla and the customer service that we are receiving. Please review our case as soon as possible as we do not feel safe in this car. Please send me a confirmation that you have sent in our formal request to the legal team and they are actively processing our case. Thank you TL DR model x falcon door faulty attempt to fix 3 times opened during driving on highway put my child in danger tesla wants us to continue to drive car won t guarantee its fixed until they might might not refund car based on lemon law [service report](https: imgur.com gallery jkppp) Help: I did not lock this post for comments how do i unlock it. The post has been unblocked by the community moderators on 6 12 thank you to those assist me in doing this. We have just connected with Jon McNeil and he seems eager to assist us to resolve this issue. We will have to wait and see for the final results. I hope he helps us resolve this issue quickly. I see that there are many who think we ve sensationalized our story but unfortunately it is all true. It is really disheartening. Perhaps pooled may have been a better word than flooded but it doesn t take away from the fact that they delivered a over 6 figures car with a defect that should have been caught during their strict quality checks. However the main point is still the falcon door opened while we were driving on the freeway. We re grateful to be safe. We are hoping that they will let us keep loaner until the refund process is complete and that is all. That being said we can t control everyone s opinions and we re not trying to just sharing our experience so other who are considering the car can make more informed decision especially parents. I have attached the last service invoice. | Yes OP I m head of sales and service at Tesla and want to help with your situation. Please send me your VIN# -- you can direct message me on Twitter (@jonmcneill) or on the Tesla Motors Club forum at JonMc. | Jesus. I only skimmed your post but the headline is terrifying. Good luck. | 450 | 2 | 1,116 |
6giiao | 3,220 | My Model X 90D Driver Side Falcon door opened on Freeway driving 65mph with my 6 y.o. sitting next to it Please see below our Tesla Experience... any input as to how we can share our story for child safety and expedite our refund from Tesla would be appreciated. This is our email to the service manager of Tesla Hi Sandra I m writing to you as per our telephone conversation to formally request Tesla to refund the cost of our Model X 90D vehicle due to its compliance with the California Lemon Law. We purchased the car on January 5 2017 and has had a slew of problems that will be detailed below. However the most notable problem that fall under the California Lemon Law is the driver side falcon door which despite at least three attempts to fix opened while driving on the highway. Thus it would fall under the part of the law that states “ Your vehicle s problems could cause death or serious bodily injury if it is driven and the manufacturer or dealer has made at least two unsuccessful repair attempts.” As a recap of our conversation you state that you have contacted the legal team and they responded that if the car is in compliance with the California Lemon Law the refund should be a “slam dunk.” This process will take between 4-8 weeks and you will assist in attempting to shorten the time as you have done successfully before. You were also adamant in helping us understand that you have had your engineers meticulously check through the car and replace the faulty parts. The car has now passed the quality checks and we are to return the loaner and pick up our car to drive as normal until the refund is fully processed. We were also asked to verbally approve a 100 mile test drive so that Tesla can do its due diligence for their quality check. However since the faulty parts that were replaced are the same that has been done before without full resolution of the problem I voiced my concerns in continuing to drive the car. As we purchased this car specifically for our parents who have difficulty getting in and out of our higher cars we would feel more assured if Tesla can give us a definitive assurance that the door has been fixed since we are forced to drive the car until the refund is complete. You informed us that Tesla as well as any automakers in the world would never give that sort of assurance that their fix would not break again. As my six year old son was sitting next to the falcon door that opened on the highway this is an answer that is very difficult for me to accept. I had pleaded with you to consult with your legal team to make sure that we are really unable to keep the loaner because driving the faulty car will give us additional anxiety. Also if the door is potentially not fixed the damages may be much more serious the next time and perhaps irrecoverable. My suggestion is as much for our family s safety as well as Tesla s decreased liability. You informed me that there is nothing more you can do for us. As the car is now ready for pickup on Friday and Tesla has a 72 hour window for pick up you have given us clearance for pick up of car on monday June 12 2017. Below I will go into a detailed timeline of our experience with Tesla. I hope this will help the refund go smoothly and efficiently. On Sept. 21 2015 we reserved our Model X On Jan. 11 2016 we configured our Model X. On Jan. 5 2017 we picked up the car and brought it home there was warning sign that there was low windshield fluid and the software needed to be updated at the service center only. Thus the car was not fully serviced upon delivery of car. On Jan. 7 2017 We were heading to a children s birthday party. The car started to beep non stop on the freeway. We had to pull over and call roadside assistance for help to reset the car twice before it returned to normal. On Jan. 9 2017 we brought back car and they updated software which took more than a few hours. They also filled the windshield wiper fluid to full. When we took the car back home after a couple of hours we realized our garage was flooded with windshield wiper fluid. Apparently the windshield wiper fluid container was cracked. On Jan. 10 2017 we brought the car back but they didn t have parts and we waited a week for it to come in. Meanwhile while we were doing paperwork for rebate and the HOV lane stickers we realized the VIN on all our paperwork were incorrect and we had to contact sales to get them rectified and resign all paperwork. On Jan. 16 2017 we brought in the car to fix the windshield wiper fluid container and resign all the paperworks. At this service we met Tanya Service Adviser who informed us if we had any issues to personally contact her and she will assist us at her utmost. However as the problems continue to arise Tanya no longer responded to our communications after the April falcon door incident. Along the way while more frequently on the highway driving we realized we were hearing wind sounds coming in from the right side passenger window. Also the passenger side falcon door was squeaking On Jan 26 2017 we brought the car back and the technician found the seal was not installed properly on the window and changed a new one. The door was also readjusted. On Jan 28 2017 while at the mall the driver side falcon door was unable to open no matter which button you press. However the car read the door as being opened. We immediately called roadside assistance they advised since the car seems safe to drive we should drive to our service center as it was a Saturday and they were still open. See service report to see work done. We picked up the car on Jan 30 2017. After this service we were upset at how many times we d visited this service center since pickup and they offered Tesla merchandise as compensation but we said no. We would at least want the first year service free. They agreed. In March the passenger side window with which they fixed the seal became increasingly squeaky when opening and closing the window. Thus we had to bring it in to service on Mar. 27 2017 to fix. On April 23 2017 at the Water Grill Restaurant in Costa Mesa the driver side falcon door was unable to open again despite pressing all different buttons. We left message at service center as they were closed on a Sunday and called roadside assistance to reinforce to the service center that we will need service on our car ASAP due to the car beeping that the door is open when it is not. Roadside assistance reassured us the car should be safe to drive due to it being ok the first time this happened. However once we got home after 45 minutes the car was still on because the falcon door is read as open. Roadside assistance request to manually turn off car and leave door open overnight as any motion in the car would turn it back on again. Roadside assistance was also confused as why the car did not turn off itself after 45 minutes as it should with no movement. On April 24 2017 we brought in the car for the fix and on April 25 2017 we were called to pick up the car as ready. However on April 25 upon pickup the technician was demonstrating that the door was fixed but after one attempt the door became stuck again and had to be immediately put back to be serviced. Despite the fact there is only one service ticket for this fix it should technically be counted as two as they were delivering the car to us the door broke and we had to make an extra trip on April 26 2017 to pick up the car they reassured us was fixed. On June 2 2017 we were at Toy R Us in costa mesa with our parents and our 6 year old son a total of 5 people. For context my son sits next to the driver side falcon door me in the center and my mom on the right. My husband and father are in the front. As we were leaving the left side falcon door was stuck again. We immediately called the service center due to it being Friday but since it was late in the day we left a message as they were already closed. We started to drive home because through our previous experience we were always advised to drive the car back to the service center as the car is still drivable. During the ride I was calling the roadside assistance to write up a ticket to reinforce to the service center to call us to schedule service first thing in the morning. While on the phone with roadside assistance I head a click in the door and the motor as the door started to lift open. I grabbed onto the door with my left hand and held on and the door had about a 2-3 inch gap. We had been on the road for approximately 15 minutes at this time and were on the 5 north freeway right before the Tustin Ranch Exit. We immediately exited and parked in the Tustin auto center. The door opened once we parked and clicked closed once the button was pressed. As we were close to home and can drive home via local streets we drove home. We informed roadside assistance to immediately set up a tow first thing in the morning on Saturday as my son s birthday party was on that day. In our eyes the car was not safe to drive and we were all severely traumatized by that event. Had the door opened the damages would have been irrecoverable and my son s life was put in imminent danger a feeling no parent should ever have to feel. As it is we are still forced to drive this car by Tesla due to our parents physical limitations. Per Roger the head technician during our phone call on Jun 6 2017 he is confident that he had pinpointed the problem of the door and he was very apologetic in not doing a more comprehensive check the few times before we came in for this problem. He is confident that the problem is fixed however Sandra you are unable to do the same before we pick up the car again. Again the conflicting messages worry me for the sake of my family s safety. We had high hopes for Tesla as indicated by how long we wait for our car. We are severely disappointed by the quality of the our Tesla and the customer service that we are receiving. Please review our case as soon as possible as we do not feel safe in this car. Please send me a confirmation that you have sent in our formal request to the legal team and they are actively processing our case. Thank you TL DR model x falcon door faulty attempt to fix 3 times opened during driving on highway put my child in danger tesla wants us to continue to drive car won t guarantee its fixed until they might might not refund car based on lemon law [service report](https: imgur.com gallery jkppp) Help: I did not lock this post for comments how do i unlock it. The post has been unblocked by the community moderators on 6 12 thank you to those assist me in doing this. We have just connected with Jon McNeil and he seems eager to assist us to resolve this issue. We will have to wait and see for the final results. I hope he helps us resolve this issue quickly. I see that there are many who think we ve sensationalized our story but unfortunately it is all true. It is really disheartening. Perhaps pooled may have been a better word than flooded but it doesn t take away from the fact that they delivered a over 6 figures car with a defect that should have been caught during their strict quality checks. However the main point is still the falcon door opened while we were driving on the freeway. We re grateful to be safe. We are hoping that they will let us keep loaner until the refund process is complete and that is all. That being said we can t control everyone s opinions and we re not trying to just sharing our experience so other who are considering the car can make more informed decision especially parents. I have attached the last service invoice. | Yes OP I m head of sales and service at Tesla and want to help with your situation. Please send me your VIN# -- you can direct message me on Twitter (@jonmcneill) or on the Tesla Motors Club forum at JonMc. | Sad. Can t wait for my Model 3. | 450 | 2 | 1,117 |
6grknt | 30 | Weekly Investing Thread This will post every Monday (EST) at 6AM. Use this thread to comment your own investor links during the week. This thread is specifically intended for TSLA related posts. This thread is meant only for casual discussion regarding TSLA stock. This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance. | [TSLA longs be like](https: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com originals 8d f4 51 8df45186d4f5d6c6e751d2f1d6755560.jpg) | Macro trends killed our bull run last week but the wind is still definitely at our backs ladies and gentlemen. And by wind I mean the tears of TSLA shorts. | 33 | 4 | 1,118 |
6grknt | 30 | Weekly Investing Thread This will post every Monday (EST) at 6AM. Use this thread to comment your own investor links during the week. This thread is specifically intended for TSLA related posts. This thread is meant only for casual discussion regarding TSLA stock. This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance. | I m tired of all the winning. | Macro trends killed our bull run last week but the wind is still definitely at our backs ladies and gentlemen. And by wind I mean the tears of TSLA shorts. | 30 | 4 | 1,119 |
6grknt | 30 | Weekly Investing Thread This will post every Monday (EST) at 6AM. Use this thread to comment your own investor links during the week. This thread is specifically intended for TSLA related posts. This thread is meant only for casual discussion regarding TSLA stock. This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance. | I m tired of all the winning. | What a hot dog day! | 30 | 4 | 1,120 |
6gzp0e | 39 | High mileage driver - 600 miles per week is a tesla right for me? I ve been thinking of trading in my Lexus for a Model S but i was going to buy used with like 30k miles. I put roughly 35k miles on my car a year and i like to keep cars for about 5 years. Anyone think the Tesla Model S will last that long? My daily commute is about 120 miles round trip. | A 90 or 100 will easily outperform your Lexus and have range enough to make the trip. If you re only keeping the car 5 years don t get a Performance version as all you re really optimizing is your depreciation and-- again-- the regular version will be a huge performance upgrade already. There-- I saved you a bunch of money! :) | Yes as long as you have home charging installed. Upgrading to faster home charging would probably be a good idea (Wall Connector w 90 amp circuit + Model S with 100 kWh battery). | 47 | 5 | 1,121 |
6gzp0e | 39 | High mileage driver - 600 miles per week is a tesla right for me? I ve been thinking of trading in my Lexus for a Model S but i was going to buy used with like 30k miles. I put roughly 35k miles on my car a year and i like to keep cars for about 5 years. Anyone think the Tesla Model S will last that long? My daily commute is about 120 miles round trip. | A 90 or 100 will easily outperform your Lexus and have range enough to make the trip. If you re only keeping the car 5 years don t get a Performance version as all you re really optimizing is your depreciation and-- again-- the regular version will be a huge performance upgrade already. There-- I saved you a bunch of money! :) | My round trip is 98 miles you ll be just fine. | 47 | 13 | 1,122 |
6gzp0e | 39 | High mileage driver - 600 miles per week is a tesla right for me? I ve been thinking of trading in my Lexus for a Model S but i was going to buy used with like 30k miles. I put roughly 35k miles on my car a year and i like to keep cars for about 5 years. Anyone think the Tesla Model S will last that long? My daily commute is about 120 miles round trip. | A 90 or 100 will easily outperform your Lexus and have range enough to make the trip. If you re only keeping the car 5 years don t get a Performance version as all you re really optimizing is your depreciation and-- again-- the regular version will be a huge performance upgrade already. There-- I saved you a bunch of money! :) | With the enormous reduction in moving parts for an electric drive-train the probability for it lasting longer than an ICE is very good. | 47 | 13 | 1,123 |
6hcn80 | 116 | TIL: It s possible to only partially plug in a Tesla resulting in a decreased amperage and thus charging rate. So last night I plugged my Model S in as I normally do. However when I left for work I noticed that I didn t have a full charge. I had driven it much lower than normal the day before but it still had 80 miles on it when I got home. The math didn t add up. I contacted Tesla and here s the response: #I just took a look at the logs for your Model S. Looks like what happened last night is that the cable was not fully inserted to the charge port which resulted in the locking mechanism that s in the port not being able to engage with the cable. When this happens the vehicle limits current draw to 16 amps. This will also be accompanied by a pulsing yellow light at the charge port when the vehicle is charging (instead of the normal pulsing green light). #When you plug in tonight listen for a click sound after inserting the cable into the charge port. This is the sound of the locking mechanism closing which locks the cable in place. If unsure give the cable handle a little bit of pressure up and down this should ensure that the notch in the bottom of the handle is aligned with the bolt in the charge port. Pretty good design if you think about how they re handling making sure the connection is perfect before allowing high amperage into the system. Glad it allowed a partial charge provided me more than enough range for the day even though it wasn t fully charged. Just thought I d pass it on in case others out there didn t know. | Since this is clearly not user intended an alert from the Tesla app after some minutes would be nice. | Yes it has happened me i forgot to plug in all the way and see the blinking green LEDs. It trickled charge at like 3 miles hr. | 69 | 3 | 1,124 |
6hcn80 | 116 | TIL: It s possible to only partially plug in a Tesla resulting in a decreased amperage and thus charging rate. So last night I plugged my Model S in as I normally do. However when I left for work I noticed that I didn t have a full charge. I had driven it much lower than normal the day before but it still had 80 miles on it when I got home. The math didn t add up. I contacted Tesla and here s the response: #I just took a look at the logs for your Model S. Looks like what happened last night is that the cable was not fully inserted to the charge port which resulted in the locking mechanism that s in the port not being able to engage with the cable. When this happens the vehicle limits current draw to 16 amps. This will also be accompanied by a pulsing yellow light at the charge port when the vehicle is charging (instead of the normal pulsing green light). #When you plug in tonight listen for a click sound after inserting the cable into the charge port. This is the sound of the locking mechanism closing which locks the cable in place. If unsure give the cable handle a little bit of pressure up and down this should ensure that the notch in the bottom of the handle is aligned with the bolt in the charge port. Pretty good design if you think about how they re handling making sure the connection is perfect before allowing high amperage into the system. Glad it allowed a partial charge provided me more than enough range for the day even though it wasn t fully charged. Just thought I d pass it on in case others out there didn t know. | Since this is clearly not user intended an alert from the Tesla app after some minutes would be nice. | You can pick your amps to pull from your charging screen. Want a trickle charge? Set it to like 5. | 69 | 8 | 1,125 |
6hcn80 | 116 | TIL: It s possible to only partially plug in a Tesla resulting in a decreased amperage and thus charging rate. So last night I plugged my Model S in as I normally do. However when I left for work I noticed that I didn t have a full charge. I had driven it much lower than normal the day before but it still had 80 miles on it when I got home. The math didn t add up. I contacted Tesla and here s the response: #I just took a look at the logs for your Model S. Looks like what happened last night is that the cable was not fully inserted to the charge port which resulted in the locking mechanism that s in the port not being able to engage with the cable. When this happens the vehicle limits current draw to 16 amps. This will also be accompanied by a pulsing yellow light at the charge port when the vehicle is charging (instead of the normal pulsing green light). #When you plug in tonight listen for a click sound after inserting the cable into the charge port. This is the sound of the locking mechanism closing which locks the cable in place. If unsure give the cable handle a little bit of pressure up and down this should ensure that the notch in the bottom of the handle is aligned with the bolt in the charge port. Pretty good design if you think about how they re handling making sure the connection is perfect before allowing high amperage into the system. Glad it allowed a partial charge provided me more than enough range for the day even though it wasn t fully charged. Just thought I d pass it on in case others out there didn t know. | Since this is clearly not user intended an alert from the Tesla app after some minutes would be nice. | Good to know! I think I always wait a sec for the green light to pulse before walking away. | 69 | 11 | 1,126 |
6hezjk | 45 | Regarding autonomy how do you respond when someone says they d never put their lives in the hands of a computer? FWIW I ask if they ve ever fallen asleep in a car bus where they don t really know the driver. Then I ask what s the difference (especially when computers have been proven to be X-times safer on average then a human). | Tell them not to fly. | I tell them that all cars come with a steering wheel and pedals that allow them to take over immediately if there is a problem. | 38 | 2 | 1,127 |
6hguee | 664 | Sometimes life is good There are joys to be had in life. On the way home late night hit 7-11 to pick up a gallon of milk. I get back in the car and the operatic Comfortably Numb greets me. I head towards home deeply spiritually enjoying the orchestral progression and perfectly paried vocals that on a night like this only Pink Floyd can deliver so profoundly. Singing along out of tune and not caring. Come to a red light and oh -- how convenient! -- an almost-bright orange 2016 Camaro ZL1 is there spinning his rears before he is even aware of me eager to push his metal to its limits. White smoke is billowing out into the streetlighted night. I come to a gentle stop aside him. Here we go. Grinning teeth flashing. Eager. I glance at the perpendicular traffic light currently green waiting for it to change. No one ahead. No one behind. Only him me Pink Floyd and a pleasant Texas night. Yellow. Red. As sometimes happens a rare moment of perfect serendipity transpires at this exact moment. Comfortably Numb has reached the solo wherein David Gilmour proves his contribution to humanity by ascending into one of the most perfectly smooth riffs that has ever been recorded. Four minutes and 30 some-odd seconds into the song Herr Gilmour tears it up. Power and perfect progression skills on an axe unmatched by all but a few and he demonstates it powerfully. Then. Green. I break the law. Accelerator down as far as it will go. My neck and shoulder muscles strain against the g-forces. And the ZL1 owner responds. We go go GO. My heart racing eyeing the road ahead and almost subliminally the challenger beside me. My guts feel like they do when a roller coaster drops after that first hill. Only.. he s no longer beside me. Four o clock position. Five. He is steadily losing ground as I push the motor to its limits accepting and rapturing in the challenge and the increasingly obvious victory. I pull ahead. One car length two. More. I reach a speed that is way beyond what is safe for side streets and back off. Victory. It wasn t even close. We come to another red light he pulls up beside me rolls down his window. I flash him a peace sign a toothy grin and do the same. Numb appropriately fades to its conclusion. Yo man is that a Tesla? Yeah! Ah I ain t beatin an electric. Dude you have GOT to get one of these! One day one day. He smiles and drives off defeated but not bitter. Sometimes life is good. | Ever considered erotic storytelling? | Great read! Did you go in launch mode or just hit the accelerator? | 333 | 24 | 1,128 |
6hguee | 664 | Sometimes life is good There are joys to be had in life. On the way home late night hit 7-11 to pick up a gallon of milk. I get back in the car and the operatic Comfortably Numb greets me. I head towards home deeply spiritually enjoying the orchestral progression and perfectly paried vocals that on a night like this only Pink Floyd can deliver so profoundly. Singing along out of tune and not caring. Come to a red light and oh -- how convenient! -- an almost-bright orange 2016 Camaro ZL1 is there spinning his rears before he is even aware of me eager to push his metal to its limits. White smoke is billowing out into the streetlighted night. I come to a gentle stop aside him. Here we go. Grinning teeth flashing. Eager. I glance at the perpendicular traffic light currently green waiting for it to change. No one ahead. No one behind. Only him me Pink Floyd and a pleasant Texas night. Yellow. Red. As sometimes happens a rare moment of perfect serendipity transpires at this exact moment. Comfortably Numb has reached the solo wherein David Gilmour proves his contribution to humanity by ascending into one of the most perfectly smooth riffs that has ever been recorded. Four minutes and 30 some-odd seconds into the song Herr Gilmour tears it up. Power and perfect progression skills on an axe unmatched by all but a few and he demonstates it powerfully. Then. Green. I break the law. Accelerator down as far as it will go. My neck and shoulder muscles strain against the g-forces. And the ZL1 owner responds. We go go GO. My heart racing eyeing the road ahead and almost subliminally the challenger beside me. My guts feel like they do when a roller coaster drops after that first hill. Only.. he s no longer beside me. Four o clock position. Five. He is steadily losing ground as I push the motor to its limits accepting and rapturing in the challenge and the increasingly obvious victory. I pull ahead. One car length two. More. I reach a speed that is way beyond what is safe for side streets and back off. Victory. It wasn t even close. We come to another red light he pulls up beside me rolls down his window. I flash him a peace sign a toothy grin and do the same. Numb appropriately fades to its conclusion. Yo man is that a Tesla? Yeah! Ah I ain t beatin an electric. Dude you have GOT to get one of these! One day one day. He smiles and drives off defeated but not bitter. Sometimes life is good. | Ever considered erotic storytelling? | I came. 💧💧 | 333 | 33 | 1,129 |
6hguee | 664 | Sometimes life is good There are joys to be had in life. On the way home late night hit 7-11 to pick up a gallon of milk. I get back in the car and the operatic Comfortably Numb greets me. I head towards home deeply spiritually enjoying the orchestral progression and perfectly paried vocals that on a night like this only Pink Floyd can deliver so profoundly. Singing along out of tune and not caring. Come to a red light and oh -- how convenient! -- an almost-bright orange 2016 Camaro ZL1 is there spinning his rears before he is even aware of me eager to push his metal to its limits. White smoke is billowing out into the streetlighted night. I come to a gentle stop aside him. Here we go. Grinning teeth flashing. Eager. I glance at the perpendicular traffic light currently green waiting for it to change. No one ahead. No one behind. Only him me Pink Floyd and a pleasant Texas night. Yellow. Red. As sometimes happens a rare moment of perfect serendipity transpires at this exact moment. Comfortably Numb has reached the solo wherein David Gilmour proves his contribution to humanity by ascending into one of the most perfectly smooth riffs that has ever been recorded. Four minutes and 30 some-odd seconds into the song Herr Gilmour tears it up. Power and perfect progression skills on an axe unmatched by all but a few and he demonstates it powerfully. Then. Green. I break the law. Accelerator down as far as it will go. My neck and shoulder muscles strain against the g-forces. And the ZL1 owner responds. We go go GO. My heart racing eyeing the road ahead and almost subliminally the challenger beside me. My guts feel like they do when a roller coaster drops after that first hill. Only.. he s no longer beside me. Four o clock position. Five. He is steadily losing ground as I push the motor to its limits accepting and rapturing in the challenge and the increasingly obvious victory. I pull ahead. One car length two. More. I reach a speed that is way beyond what is safe for side streets and back off. Victory. It wasn t even close. We come to another red light he pulls up beside me rolls down his window. I flash him a peace sign a toothy grin and do the same. Numb appropriately fades to its conclusion. Yo man is that a Tesla? Yeah! Ah I ain t beatin an electric. Dude you have GOT to get one of these! One day one day. He smiles and drives off defeated but not bitter. Sometimes life is good. | Ever considered erotic storytelling? | Kept waiting for in nineteen ninety eight the Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell and plummeted 16ft through an announcer s table. | 333 | 47 | 1,130 |
6hk2sv | 22 | I have the financial means to get an S and its getting really hard to not give up my Model 3 reservation. Can anyone talk some sense into me? | The only reason I ve heard to pick the 3 over the S is that it s smaller which is also why my wife is considering it. And price. And door pockets. | Wait for S 2.0 | 34 | 2 | 1,131 |
6hk2sv | 22 | I have the financial means to get an S and its getting really hard to not give up my Model 3 reservation. Can anyone talk some sense into me? | The only reason I ve heard to pick the 3 over the S is that it s smaller which is also why my wife is considering it. And price. And door pockets. | Do it. | 34 | 2 | 1,132 |
6hk2sv | 22 | I have the financial means to get an S and its getting really hard to not give up my Model 3 reservation. Can anyone talk some sense into me? | The only reason I ve heard to pick the 3 over the S is that it s smaller which is also why my wife is considering it. And price. And door pockets. | I have the financial means to get an S but I m holding out for the next gen Roadster. | 34 | 2 | 1,133 |
6hlwn6 | 67 | Help me question the the CTO of Tesla (JB Straubel) Tomorrow I will have the oppertunity to talk with the JB Straubel (CTO at Tesla). What questions should I ask? I have a list of my own but as an engineer they trend more to the technical side of things. So I thought the wise people of the internet might be able to help. | Are there any credible alternatives on the horizon for Li-ion batteries in EVs? What s the next big thing for range and power density? If BEVs had 1000+ mile range there d be little need for charging anywhere but home. Will competition and economics push us there? Who has the best chance at catching up to Tesla? What are the prospects for BEVs as distributed grid storage? What technological regulatory or other advancement will it takes to get there? Timeframe? Running SC stations off the grid (solar only) would require a dozen or more times the area of a parking spot for panels at current efficiency. Where will you put them? | If this has not been asked yet in some other instance you could ask him about how they view their battery development efforts going forward. They discussed recently that they had completed their development targets in terms of battery degradation prevention with the Canadian university they started working with so it might be cool to know what targets they are setting now that they seem to be ahead of their initial schedule in that area. Are charging speed improvements more in their focus now for example. | 43 | 7 | 1,134 |
6hp7rh | 39 | Weird Experience at Brandon FL Supercharger So I stopped for a supercharge on my way to Orlando and there was a white P85D S with a tow hitch (ball sticking out the back but not towing anything... why not remove the ball?) and Ontario plates. That s kind of interesting. So I said hello. What I ended up getting was a rant about how the Tesla gave him cancer and he is proof of that and short Tesla because when this gets out it ll be bad news for Elon and that he is in Florida to get treatment because the Canadian hospitals aren t really free and they won t see him... RF power transmission sitting on top of a energy keg is very unhealthy look it up. All forms of cancer can be treated with injectables look it up. Canadian healthcare is free if they deem it imperative to your health. So yea probably a bit of a hypochondriac (though fwiw he did look legitimately ill). So yea... Usually fellow Tesla drivers either stay in the car and avoid eye contact or they get out and are a joy to make small talk with. Not this guy. Thankfully he was done charging soon after I arrived. Just tried to look busy with my phone till he left. | I ve had several people comment about EM radiation and the increased risk of testicular cancer from sitting on a large battery. I ve done my best to explain things but some people already have their minds made up. So keep driving a gas car and breathing the fumes from a combustion engine. Because those are healthy? | If it gave him cancer why s he still driving it? | 29 | 2 | 1,135 |
6hu5ht | 33 | Has AP2 reached parity with AP1 as of this weekend s update? If not what is missing? | No. First off this update isn t different than last weekend s update. It s still not clear that this weekend s update is really being released in any real numbers. Only time will tell if this is a release or a test. What is missing? * Reading speed limit signs * Auto windshield wipers * Identifying cars vs trucks vs motorcycles * Showing cars in other lanes Beyond that the actual performance of some of the features is not as good as AP1. For instance AP2 isn t able to follow a car in front somewhere with no lanes as well as AP1. People have also said the auto high beam performance is nowhere near as good as AP1. | A ton of display stuff like signs cars in lanes beside you types of cars. Autowipers. Some say there s still quality differences with auto steering but that depends on who you ask. | 33 | 4 | 1,136 |
6hx4wd | 44 | What s the funniest most interesting thing you have used Summon for? Me? I got a notification my X was finished charging. I ran out unplugged it and summoned it to a parking spot directly ahead.. even the other owners at the supercharger were impressed lol. | My workplace moved to a new office building and the parking lot turned out to be absolute anarchy. We leased a couple of parking spots but a big rather well known management consulting company kept stealing our parking spots. Kind of a my time is more important than your time thing. Until we arrived they kind of got away with this behavior. Building manager did nothing. After many talks with the management firm yielded nothing we implemented the embargo policy. Steal a parking spot? And we box you in for the rest of day. After a lot of very heated arguments (I had a habit of blocking them in and then leaving the office to attend meeting elsewhere in town by bicycle Uber). They finally started to back down. Except a few a-holes. On Friday afternoon they apparently decided to get back at me. They had parked a couple of Audi s inches from my doors on both sides. And they were monitor the entire situation a safe distance. Probably to get a good laugh at my expense. Summon won that particular battle in a pretty convincing manner. | To be clear: you summoned your Tesla (idea: voice activation by calling the car s name entered in the screen OS) and it *went* parking combined with the dedicated program or just moved to a near spot which happened to be a garage? Thanks! | 71 | 2 | 1,137 |
6hx4wd | 44 | What s the funniest most interesting thing you have used Summon for? Me? I got a notification my X was finished charging. I ran out unplugged it and summoned it to a parking spot directly ahead.. even the other owners at the supercharger were impressed lol. | I know someone who saw their tires get chalked to mark 1-hour parking. (You know so of the chalk on the tires lines up with the chalk on the road they know you haven t moved.) From inside a restaurant with nobody around and a very clear view Summon was used to move the car forward two inches. The chalk no longer lined up. This person also left before the 1-hour was up but just wanted to see if it could be done. | Ghost riding the whip. | 87 | 20 | 1,138 |
6hx4wd | 44 | What s the funniest most interesting thing you have used Summon for? Me? I got a notification my X was finished charging. I ran out unplugged it and summoned it to a parking spot directly ahead.. even the other owners at the supercharger were impressed lol. | My workplace moved to a new office building and the parking lot turned out to be absolute anarchy. We leased a couple of parking spots but a big rather well known management consulting company kept stealing our parking spots. Kind of a my time is more important than your time thing. Until we arrived they kind of got away with this behavior. Building manager did nothing. After many talks with the management firm yielded nothing we implemented the embargo policy. Steal a parking spot? And we box you in for the rest of day. After a lot of very heated arguments (I had a habit of blocking them in and then leaving the office to attend meeting elsewhere in town by bicycle Uber). They finally started to back down. Except a few a-holes. On Friday afternoon they apparently decided to get back at me. They had parked a couple of Audi s inches from my doors on both sides. And they were monitor the entire situation a safe distance. Probably to get a good laugh at my expense. Summon won that particular battle in a pretty convincing manner. | I mostly use it to create enough space to open the backdoor so I can get kiddo in the car seat. Not funny but a perfect use-case. | 71 | 11 | 1,139 |
6hy7bf | 830 | I sold my 850HP Nissan GTR for a Tesla P100D...here s how it compares. Good evening everyone This is my first Reddit post! I ve lurked on this sub for a while but I finally decided to make an account and converse. =) I sold my Alpha 9 Nissan GTR black edition... for an electric car. I know this probably sounds pretty normal for you guys. But I also convinced three other friends to get them too! Here s my review if anyone s interested: I really liked my GTR and it was my dream car - but I m absolutely in love with the Tesla! Going from a gas guzzling twin turbo monster to a self driving silent monster is completely mind blowing. The Performance is unfathomable. On stock tires the vehicle is more responsive than a fast car on race tires as the instant torque throws your back against the seat immediately. The comfort is equally incredible I had a Mercedes up until October as a daily driver - this car blows that out of the water. It is the perfect combination between cruising silently on the highway comfort over road bumps and power to make you smile whenever you would like. As a tech lover I really like that it feels like I m driving an iPhone on wheels. The giant touchscreen digital dash display and SELF DRIVING CAPABILITIES are spectacular! I m running out of adjectives describing the thing. LA traffic is no longer painful as I can kickback and listen to music while the car handles the heavy load. The GTR was extremely powerful and fun but between my transmission blowing out $300 oil changes depending on your stealership and the quirks such as the loose interior pieces clunky gearbox shifting and all else that comes with an entry level supercar... I do miss the exhaust rumbling and the turbos blow off valves... but the electric whine makes up for it! Overall I could not be happier with this thing. I m constantly finding excuses to put miles on it & have became a sucker for the mission. April last year I put a deposit on a Model 3... so I hope to have that join my car family as well soon! I m sure I ll be posting a lot more as I learn more about the sub & community. But I just wanted to say... WOW these cars are amazing! | I hate to be *that guy* but do you have any pictures of your GTR? | ###& #009 ######& #009 ####& #009 Acronyms initialisms abbreviations contractions and other phrases which expand to something larger that I ve seen in this thread: |Fewer Letters|More Letters| |-------|---------|---| |[75D]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj25ry4 Last usage )|75kWh battery dual motors| |[85D]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj2hjsd Last usage )|85kWh battery dual motors| |[AWD]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj2tg2s Last usage )|All Wheel Drive| |[CAN]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj34ci6 Last usage )|[Controller Area Network](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Controller_area_network) communication between vehicle components| |[CF]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj2sgib Last usage )|Carbon Fiber (Carbon Fibre) composite material| | |CompactFlash memory storage for digital cameras| |[ICE]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj2plu5 Last usage )|Internal Combustion Engine or vehicle powered by same| |[M3]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj2d8aa Last usage )|BMW performance sedan ^([Tesla M3 will never be a thing])| |[P100D]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj3na4x Last usage )|100kWh battery dual motors available in Ludicrous only| |[P100DL]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj29br2 Last usage )|100kWh battery dual motors performance and Ludicrous upgrades| |[P85]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj2tg2s Last usage )|85kWh battery performance upgrades| |[P85D]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj2tg2s Last usage )|85kWh battery dual motors performance upgrades| |[P90DL]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj2t47i Last usage )|90kWh battery dual motors performance and Ludicrous upgrades| |[RWD]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj2tg2s Last usage )|Rear Wheel Drive| |[TSLA]( r TeslaMotors comments 6hy7bf dj2a4t8 Last usage )|Stock ticker for Tesla Motors| ---------------- ^([Thread #1647 for this sub first seen 18th Jun 2017 09:26]) [^\\[FAQ\\]](http: decronym.xyz ) [^\\[Contact\\]](https: reddit.com message compose?to=OrangeredStilton& subject=Hey +your+acronym+bot+sucks) [^\\[Source ^code\\]](https: gist.github.com Two9A 1d976f9b7441694162c8) | 240 | 3 | 1,140 |
6hy7bf | 830 | I sold my 850HP Nissan GTR for a Tesla P100D...here s how it compares. Good evening everyone This is my first Reddit post! I ve lurked on this sub for a while but I finally decided to make an account and converse. =) I sold my Alpha 9 Nissan GTR black edition... for an electric car. I know this probably sounds pretty normal for you guys. But I also convinced three other friends to get them too! Here s my review if anyone s interested: I really liked my GTR and it was my dream car - but I m absolutely in love with the Tesla! Going from a gas guzzling twin turbo monster to a self driving silent monster is completely mind blowing. The Performance is unfathomable. On stock tires the vehicle is more responsive than a fast car on race tires as the instant torque throws your back against the seat immediately. The comfort is equally incredible I had a Mercedes up until October as a daily driver - this car blows that out of the water. It is the perfect combination between cruising silently on the highway comfort over road bumps and power to make you smile whenever you would like. As a tech lover I really like that it feels like I m driving an iPhone on wheels. The giant touchscreen digital dash display and SELF DRIVING CAPABILITIES are spectacular! I m running out of adjectives describing the thing. LA traffic is no longer painful as I can kickback and listen to music while the car handles the heavy load. The GTR was extremely powerful and fun but between my transmission blowing out $300 oil changes depending on your stealership and the quirks such as the loose interior pieces clunky gearbox shifting and all else that comes with an entry level supercar... I do miss the exhaust rumbling and the turbos blow off valves... but the electric whine makes up for it! Overall I could not be happier with this thing. I m constantly finding excuses to put miles on it & have became a sucker for the mission. April last year I put a deposit on a Model 3... so I hope to have that join my car family as well soon! I m sure I ll be posting a lot more as I learn more about the sub & community. But I just wanted to say... WOW these cars are amazing! | I hate to be *that guy* but do you have any pictures of your GTR? | How does it handle track days in comparison to the GT-R? | 240 | 5 | 1,141 |
6hy7bf | 830 | I sold my 850HP Nissan GTR for a Tesla P100D...here s how it compares. Good evening everyone This is my first Reddit post! I ve lurked on this sub for a while but I finally decided to make an account and converse. =) I sold my Alpha 9 Nissan GTR black edition... for an electric car. I know this probably sounds pretty normal for you guys. But I also convinced three other friends to get them too! Here s my review if anyone s interested: I really liked my GTR and it was my dream car - but I m absolutely in love with the Tesla! Going from a gas guzzling twin turbo monster to a self driving silent monster is completely mind blowing. The Performance is unfathomable. On stock tires the vehicle is more responsive than a fast car on race tires as the instant torque throws your back against the seat immediately. The comfort is equally incredible I had a Mercedes up until October as a daily driver - this car blows that out of the water. It is the perfect combination between cruising silently on the highway comfort over road bumps and power to make you smile whenever you would like. As a tech lover I really like that it feels like I m driving an iPhone on wheels. The giant touchscreen digital dash display and SELF DRIVING CAPABILITIES are spectacular! I m running out of adjectives describing the thing. LA traffic is no longer painful as I can kickback and listen to music while the car handles the heavy load. The GTR was extremely powerful and fun but between my transmission blowing out $300 oil changes depending on your stealership and the quirks such as the loose interior pieces clunky gearbox shifting and all else that comes with an entry level supercar... I do miss the exhaust rumbling and the turbos blow off valves... but the electric whine makes up for it! Overall I could not be happier with this thing. I m constantly finding excuses to put miles on it & have became a sucker for the mission. April last year I put a deposit on a Model 3... so I hope to have that join my car family as well soon! I m sure I ll be posting a lot more as I learn more about the sub & community. But I just wanted to say... WOW these cars are amazing! | I hate to be *that guy* but do you have any pictures of your GTR? | That s a lot of money. Makes me wonder what you do for a living. | 240 | 6 | 1,142 |
6i1gou | 51 | Either my Tesla charger or the receptacle shorted out. Here are the pics. Open to theories and advice. I plugged in my car last night nothing unusual. Woke up this morning and wondered why I hadn t received my usual Tesla app alert that charging had completed. I try to initiate charging a couple of times from the app. It starts the process displays the Volts then fails. I go outside and find this: http: imgur.com a 0BC48 (album w 4 pics) What I ve done so far: reached out to the electrician who installed the outlet (a guy that I ve worked with professionally for years old-timer super experienced). He was even kind enough to take my call on a Father s Day Sunday. He was confused and couldn t understand why the breaker didn t trip. Based on my explanation and cell phone pics he believes the Tesla charging cable is fine and just the receptacle needs to be placed. I also sent the pics to my local Tesla service station. Of course this happens on a Sunday when everything is closed. Does anyone have any thoughts as to how why this happened? I know the outlet will need to be replaced but what about the Tesla charging cable? Or do I just need a new adapter for the cable? The car is 2 years old and just went through its 25K service but any chance of it being an issue with the vehicle? Edit: I appreciate all the feedback! I m learning that this type of outlet was not designed for frequent unplugging and plugging back in. My HOA wouldn t approve the HPWC two years ago but I ll see if they budge now. Otherwise I may just get the corded mobile connector + cable organizer which would stay plugged into the outlet at all times. I ve seen a lot of owners using recommending a similar setup to what I had and the Tesla folks gave me the thumbs up when I ran it by them. Just keep in mind if you go the route I went have a dedicated cable plugged into it w cable management. Don t do what I did and plug in your mobile connector into the outlet every few days. | 1. Potentially worn down socket depending on the quality and the number of insertions. 2. Potentially sub-gauge wire and or not not torqued down enough. The wire sinks heat away from the contacts it must be of adequate gauge and tightness to do so. Should not be using less than 6 AWG copper. Experienced electricians often cheat with 8 AWG because it is allowed and it works for the usual thing plugged into those sockets ovens. 3. Both | I m a bot *bleep* *bloop*. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit: - [ r electricians] [I posted this in \\ r\\ teslamotors and thought you folks may appreciate the cable gore and have some insight as well.](https: np.reddit.com r electricians comments 6i1hso i_posted_this_in_rteslamotors_and_thought_you ) [](#footer)*^(If you follow any of the above links please respect the rules of reddit and don t vote in the other threads.) ^\\([Info]( r TotesMessenger) ^ ^[Contact]( message compose?to= r TotesMessenger))* [](#bot) | 34 | 3 | 1,143 |
6i51rk | 26 | Tesla Owners: Advice on buying a used Tesla? So you ve owned a Tesla for a while and have experience with the ins and outs pros and cons with this full plugin electric car. What kind of advice would you give a relative interested in buying a new one? This feels like new territory to me. Are electric miles the same as internal combustion miles? ICE s go through lots of wear and tear with each mile but is that the case with electric motors? Maybe with electric cars battery wear is more important? So higher miles = more battery wear? Shorter lifespan of the car? Like I said feels like totally new territory! What about different model years? Any notable differences between them? What year should we look for if we want the full autonomous hardware? Do we still get the tax credit when buying a used Tesla? | Electric miles are the same as combustion miles in many ways. It is still a car with wheels brakes and suspension so those items are going to see similar wear (brakes being a minor exception because of heavy use of regen braking). The body and interior of the car aren t much different and will also see wear in high mileage cars. But there are some systems you obviously won t have to worry about degrading like exhaust transmission engine oil leaks etc. There are some new systems that you might have to worry about namely the battery. But so far high mileage batteries seem to be doing just fine. Tesla s batteries will see several percent degradation in range initially but then the degradation curve flattens out significantly. [Source.](https: electrek.co 2016 11 01 tesla-battery-degradation ) These batteries are quite a bit more redundant than the power tool and cell phone batteries people are used to by a few orders of a magnitude - so the risk of them dying completely is low. Also the electric motors in theory should far out last gasoline engines. Keep in mind both the battery and drivetrain have an 8 year unlimited mile warranty transferable with the car. Even the oldest Tesla batteries are still under warranty for three more years. Tesla doesn t do model years as their vehicles are under constant improvement. If an improvement can be made tomorrow it s implemented tomorrow. This is great if you are buying new. For example people who ordered in September 2016 got vehicles with full autonomous hardware not even knowing the feature was going to exist when they ordered. But it can be confusing for used car buyers as exact day of manufacture is way more important than the Model year. There are also literally hundreds of changes that have been made since 2012. Some obvious ones are Autopilot hardware in September 2014 and later full self driving hardware in October 2016 and later. But then there are less obvious ones like a higher resolution instrument panel display in August 2014. Here is one of many documents that lists changes over the years: https: sites.google.com site teslamotorsclubwiki home model-s options-by-year The best approach is going to be to figure out what features you want and then figure out which years to start looking at. If you want full self driving hardware for example you d obviously not want a 2015 any 2017 would do and you would have to confirm that the option is there with a 2016 purchase. And no you get no tax credit for buying used. | If you want the new hardware (theoretically capable of autonomous driving) you need to buy a car manufactured after [Oct 2016](https: www.tesla.com blog all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware). I d suggest taking some time to sift through posts and comments here on Reddit. You can get most of your questions answered from posts in just the last week. You might also want to check out the Tesla Motor Club. | 44 | 3 | 1,144 |
6igky6 | 69 | Tesla is buying back my X (as a lemon) but deducting Fed tax credit. Hey all. To set context I picked up my X 90D in March of this year. Since then it s had a slew of problems. Each time I would bring it back for repeating problems PLUS some new ones. Fast forward to now and I am working with Tesla to have them buy back the car. The price they re giving me is minus the $7500 tax credit. This doesn t sound right to me. The car would have been purchased and returned in the same year I haven t even been able to file for that credit! And why does Tesla get to save that money? They don t fund the tax credits do they? I m a diehard supporter of Tesla and their mission and so it s important to add that as naive as I may sound I think my X is an anomaly and am willing to give another one a try. But as it is the money they re giving me isn t even enough to cover the cost to order a new one. For a company that prides itself on customer satisfaction it baffles me that they re forcing me to put up even more money upfront if I wanted to take a chance at having a working car. Am I being crazy? Does anyone know if I have any grounds to dispute the deduction? **EDIT**: Thanks everyone for the helpful replies. I spoke with the person from Tesla this afternoon and she said that if I don t qualify next year to use the entire $7500 credit I can show them proof at that time and they would give me the difference. Of course I ve asked for this in writing. But after reading all your replies it still doesn t sit right with me that Tesla has any say in this it should be between the IRS and me. Add to that I have to put $7500 additional upfront to replace a car that s defective. I just want the car replaced at no upfront cost. I have a meeting with them tomorrow and I ll ask to speak with their legal dept regarding all of this. I ll keep everyone updated. **CONCLUSION**: After a couple of phone calls today I was able to get the deduction removed. Tesla will buy back the car at its full price minus miles used. Thanks again for all the helpful replies! | you can still apply for the tax credit. you purchased the car so its your credit to claim. | What was their response when you told them you didn t get the tax credit yet? | 70 | 2 | 1,145 |
6igky6 | 69 | Tesla is buying back my X (as a lemon) but deducting Fed tax credit. Hey all. To set context I picked up my X 90D in March of this year. Since then it s had a slew of problems. Each time I would bring it back for repeating problems PLUS some new ones. Fast forward to now and I am working with Tesla to have them buy back the car. The price they re giving me is minus the $7500 tax credit. This doesn t sound right to me. The car would have been purchased and returned in the same year I haven t even been able to file for that credit! And why does Tesla get to save that money? They don t fund the tax credits do they? I m a diehard supporter of Tesla and their mission and so it s important to add that as naive as I may sound I think my X is an anomaly and am willing to give another one a try. But as it is the money they re giving me isn t even enough to cover the cost to order a new one. For a company that prides itself on customer satisfaction it baffles me that they re forcing me to put up even more money upfront if I wanted to take a chance at having a working car. Am I being crazy? Does anyone know if I have any grounds to dispute the deduction? **EDIT**: Thanks everyone for the helpful replies. I spoke with the person from Tesla this afternoon and she said that if I don t qualify next year to use the entire $7500 credit I can show them proof at that time and they would give me the difference. Of course I ve asked for this in writing. But after reading all your replies it still doesn t sit right with me that Tesla has any say in this it should be between the IRS and me. Add to that I have to put $7500 additional upfront to replace a car that s defective. I just want the car replaced at no upfront cost. I have a meeting with them tomorrow and I ll ask to speak with their legal dept regarding all of this. I ll keep everyone updated. **CONCLUSION**: After a couple of phone calls today I was able to get the deduction removed. Tesla will buy back the car at its full price minus miles used. Thanks again for all the helpful replies! | you can still apply for the tax credit. you purchased the car so its your credit to claim. | It sucks but the only way to know is to contact a tax attorney. | 70 | 4 | 1,146 |
6ihce4 | 29 | Is the Southwest heat wave having any adverse effect on your Tesla? With temperatures hitting near 120F around Phoenix AZ can any owners in or around that area comment on whether this extreme heat has any negative effect on your daily driving or charging? | 108 degrees here and no issues at all. Pre-conditioned to 79 while left in the sun to keep it comfortable. A C doesn t eat up a ton of energy so it s actually working pretty nicely. | It s tough for the S air conditioner to keep up with the heat unless it has been parked in the shade. If it is parked in the sun probably not going to get cool inside. | 36 | 8 | 1,147 |
6il83t | 59 | Anyone else had their motor completely die? I m writing to see if this has happened to anyone else and crowd source some solutions. **tl dr** My motor has died twice in several days. New drive unit repair didn t take. Worried about driving my car anywhere now. Customer service has been VERY DISAPPOINTING. **UPDATE: 6 21 9:45 EDT** - Bummer thread hijack. Called service center back several times no answer. Assume they re busy strategizing. **UPDATE: 6 21 13:00 EDT** - Talked to service. Didn t really get a warm fuzzy regarding the severity of this issue. Told to call roadside and get vehicle towed back in. **UPDATE: 6 22 7:20 EDT** - My car shifts into neutral so the service center can come tow the car themselves. In the same trip they re bringing a rental car to me. **UPDATE: 6 24 9:06 EDT** - After hearing NOTHING from the service center since towing my car on 6 22 I decided to call. I was told they re ordering ANOTHER drive unit. At this point I questioned them - what makes you think another drive unit will fix this problem? You JUST replaced the drive unit. They service center rep told me that the ticket must be stale and that drive unit order was from the previous work and they ll update me Monday. I am not impressed. At all. (Thurs 6 15) Coming home from a night out with the family. Exiting the local highway on an uphill exit ramp. As I accelerate there is a clunk and all power is lost. Drive letters (P R N D) go red and I get a popup to pull over immediately. Not the best place to pull over on an exit ramp. I was able to evacuate the family to a service road. I immediately called roadside. The picked the car up in an hour. Local service center worked all weekend and I got a rental car (boo) an Infinit QX60. Not quite the same as riding around in my 14 Model S85. Diagnosis: drive unit failure. Replaced. (Tues 6 20) Tesla brings the car back to me at work and takes the rental. Nice touch. As I m driving home on THE SAME EXIT RAMP the letters briefly flash red but no loss of power. Now I m worried. (Wed 6 21) Drive to work in the morning planning out where I will test the acceleration issue to have the least impact on my day. Not 5 mi from the house I being merging onto a busy highway with cars behing me. As I accelerate to merge letters go red complete loss of power. Luckily I was not hit and managed to continue down the clover leaf. After what seemed like forever (probably 5 seconds) the drive letters turned white and power was restored. I immediately went home. I already have a call into the local service center to figure out our next steps forward but I m losing confidence. I know this is only one iteration of repair but both times were potentially life threatening. I do not feel safe driving the car to work to the service center or more importantly to pick up my children from daycare. I m hoping for good things from the local service center (Rockville MD) Has anyone else had a similar issue? What was the resolution? How was it handled? | If you don t have a dashcam I would get one asap. This is a accident causing flaw and you need to protect yourself. | Don t blame you at all for not feeling safe. I m also glad you have shared this. It s interesting to see so many people overwhelmingly convinced that EVs will be more reliable but it appears there are still hurdles left for the technology. Edit: Forgot to praise Tesla == downvotes. Also should have said TESLA instead of EVs ) | 56 | 28 | 1,148 |
6itbep | 100 | Model 3 access key card spotted? (Take 2) In one of the pictures that u youyouxue recently uploaded it looks as though there is a key card in the cup holders. Another user previously mentioned in another thread that the Model 3 will have a wallet sized card key that can be used to access and operate the car. If you zoom in on the card in this picture it appears to say Model 3 on it. Thoughts? Since my original thread that contained the image was removed please click on the link below to see what I m talking about. https: i.redditmedia.com Goy2P6RXhWaRRivVHf3yeK1WT7OdPniNLSUiLaxq2i0.jpg?w=1024& s=ad3447cd7477fe1220d49b668d2bc2ce | The fact that the card is so clean and just says Model 3 makes me think that s what it is. | So .. if this is the case no sexy key fob? :( | 30 | 3 | 1,149 |
6ix1h2 | 24 | Air conditioning in Tesla vs. ICE It s getting incredibly hot in the Bay Area so I m paying attention to my Honda Civic s air conditioning more than usual. It blows cold air but only when I m pressing the gas. If I m stuck in traffic or parked the A C is pretty terrible. I feel like most ICE A C systems are the same. Will a Tesla (or any electric car for that matter) blow cold air when at a standstill or do I also need to be moving? Any current Model S or Model X owners care to chime in? | One of my favorite features for the Model S X is remotely turning on the A C from your phone so you never come back to a hot car. The A C takes a couple minutes to get cold when car is hot at standstill but still works great even in SoCal heat. I usually crack the sunroof from the app turn the A C to lowest setting and head out 5-10 mins later to a nice cool car. | Theoretically A C in any type of car will be more effective when you re moving because you have more airflow over the condenser coils to remove heat instead of just whatever the little fans can move. That said the A C in my EV is still effective when not moving. I don t have a Tesla yet though. | 43 | 4 | 1,150 |
6ix1h2 | 24 | Air conditioning in Tesla vs. ICE It s getting incredibly hot in the Bay Area so I m paying attention to my Honda Civic s air conditioning more than usual. It blows cold air but only when I m pressing the gas. If I m stuck in traffic or parked the A C is pretty terrible. I feel like most ICE A C systems are the same. Will a Tesla (or any electric car for that matter) blow cold air when at a standstill or do I also need to be moving? Any current Model S or Model X owners care to chime in? | One of my favorite features for the Model S X is remotely turning on the A C from your phone so you never come back to a hot car. The A C takes a couple minutes to get cold when car is hot at standstill but still works great even in SoCal heat. I usually crack the sunroof from the app turn the A C to lowest setting and head out 5-10 mins later to a nice cool car. | It only blows cold air when you have the gas pedal on? What? Haha. That seems really odd to me Idk though maybe that is how it works but it seems weird to me. Model S has an electric heater and AC so it is consistent and works better IMO than an ICE car. It will regulate the temperature in the car automatically to whatever you set it at. | 43 | 10 | 1,151 |
6j1r4h | 74 | Tesla fit and finish New to the Tesla family and picked up my X this past weekend from Devon PA. Now it s going back to service and body shop for so many issues...for a 6 figure vehicle is very disappointing. My very first car was a Nissan Altima for $17k perfect. UMC charger malfunctioned and stopped charging on day 2. Rear liftgate misaligned with large gap (discovered at delivery which they tried to deny but reluctantly accepted). Asymmetric glass roof to door jam. Blown speaker scratching sound. Weak AC vents in 2nd row console at any setting. Falcon doors do not open fully when outdoors without obstruction set to AUTO. Have to manually open to full extent. That s just from 1st 3-4 days of driving. God knows what else I ll discover even after service. Why is this acceptable? Overall sense I get from all these forums and facebook posts is a high level of accommodation to the fact that Tesla is not a high end automaker. Price to pay for early tech adopter? Steep price indeed. I heard excellent service was one of Tesla s saving graces. Not so sure based on my neighbor s MX which went back to the shop 3x. I did post this on Tesla Motors Club forum as well worried this may end up my worst buyer s remorse case ever. | That is not acceptable for any car and you should escalate your complaints up the chain. If it isn t fixed in an acceptable amount of time you should tweet Elon. | I picked up my X a few weeks ago and I ve had some issues as well but overall I am happy with it. I wanted to go with a MS for this exact reason but the wife wanted the X in the long run so I mentally prepared for the fit and finish issues. The S had similar problems in the first 1 to 2 years. The X is still in that time frame and much harder to build. Here are the issues I had fixed 2 weeks after I received the car returned in 48 hours: Fwd clicking and creaking- fixed and no noise whatsoever Window seal looked *slightly* out of alignment- whole new window seal ordered and replaced Going to take it in for following issues: Slight vibration at high speeds (80mph+) Front speaker grill has small dent Drivers side door with some opening issues basically first thing in the am sometimes won t open the first or 2nd time. All in all none of the issues have dimished the driving experience for me. I m happy with service and looking forward to getting another tesla loaner in the mean time. | 50 | 14 | 1,152 |
6j1r4h | 74 | Tesla fit and finish New to the Tesla family and picked up my X this past weekend from Devon PA. Now it s going back to service and body shop for so many issues...for a 6 figure vehicle is very disappointing. My very first car was a Nissan Altima for $17k perfect. UMC charger malfunctioned and stopped charging on day 2. Rear liftgate misaligned with large gap (discovered at delivery which they tried to deny but reluctantly accepted). Asymmetric glass roof to door jam. Blown speaker scratching sound. Weak AC vents in 2nd row console at any setting. Falcon doors do not open fully when outdoors without obstruction set to AUTO. Have to manually open to full extent. That s just from 1st 3-4 days of driving. God knows what else I ll discover even after service. Why is this acceptable? Overall sense I get from all these forums and facebook posts is a high level of accommodation to the fact that Tesla is not a high end automaker. Price to pay for early tech adopter? Steep price indeed. I heard excellent service was one of Tesla s saving graces. Not so sure based on my neighbor s MX which went back to the shop 3x. I did post this on Tesla Motors Club forum as well worried this may end up my worst buyer s remorse case ever. | > Why is this acceptable? It isn t. I m sorry you re going through this and I hope they make it right. Communication especially further up the chain of command is important in cases like this. | I think the early adopter new to this argument really only applies as far as expectations for a perfect arrival. I don t think anyone is implying people should just shrug it off and live with it just that you should reasonably expect some growing pains. In other words they should fix the issues but as for there *being* issues well the customers kind of are Q A this early. That said we re now outside that window a bit. On one hand you could argue that the number of X s Tesla has made would still be considered a relatively young version of any other model from a big auto maker. On the other the price and low volume is kind of all the more reason to get it right. Yes maybe it s still early enough to make mistakes but why do those mistakes make it to the customer? It seems like it s the same issues over and over too. Edit: Tesla clearly has a gaps problem. Even if they have bigger fish to fry with the Model 3 RCs they had to know 983 498 pictures will be taken of them. Why is there no gaps team whose only job is to sit at the end of the line check gaps fix them on the cars that come off and report the cause up the line? Paint swirls and such can be exact lighting. Other things are maybe a matter of they can never try every aspect of every car . The gaps issue is just inexplicable at this point. It s just measuring. | 31 | 3 | 1,153 |
6j3hqt | 389 | a downside to ownership I did not anticipate disclaimer: I know how this is going to sound to some and it will likely be frustrating. I know that because I too debate it myself. However I doubt I am alone and it may be appreciated by some potential and current owners. First of all our 2017 X is amazing. Like incredible. It is a big middle finger to the glacier moving bloated bureaucratic auto industry. The handling performance cargo and interior space OTA updates giant display and mobile app is enjoyable to use everyday. There are new details that bring a smile to your face even months after purchase. And I haven t even mentioned Autopilot yet and the prospect of FSD. Mind blowing stuff. To give some context before I explain this post we are a young family of 3 + 1 giant dog. The model3 would not have worked. Both myself and my wife have salaries that fortunately have allowed us to put a down payment on a rancher outside my home town Vancouver Canada because Van prices were too ridiculous. We max out our registered retirement savings account allowances (401k equivalent to the US folks?) and have no debts aside from our mortgage. Saying that it s still a lot of debt and we have only been saving for a few years so lots of exposed risk. Purchasing a depreciating luxury vehicle was a 2 year decision. When we purchased we traded in our only car a 2013 Ford Escape. In other words we upped what we were willing to spend on a vehicle by 4x without much salary increase over the same time period. I guess that s the power of Tesla to us anyway. So with that out of the way there is one thing that occasionally creeps up and spoils the experience once in a while: the elitism and showiness it puts off. This is where some will think Come on man! You bought a 100k car what did you expect!? . While others will say Oh poor you that must be awful! in a sarcastic voice. And both camps are absolutely right to judge. I guess I just didn t really envision ownership enough in certain instances. For example when a friend sits inside afraid to touch anything and says pretty fancy Jordan because they just see exterior and interior luxury rather than a long range giving battery pack traditional electric motor or AI driven autopilot. Or when I grab my baby out of the back with those falcon wing doors spread wide open at my local store and everyone stops stares and doesn t move until I walk away from the scene. Or when I explain to my parents what an easter egg is by showing the Xmas show and rather than being amazed at how a company devotes effort to hide little surprises in their software everyone gets a little embarrassed that the car is flapping its wings and pumping music down my quiet street. What ultimately motivated me to write this post was only finding out yesterday that my wife was meeting some new people last week who formed a hiking group while on pat leave and instead of pulling up to the parking lot to meet them she parked down the street and walked up instead! I would like to finish where I started. We do not regret our purchase. We commute to the city regularly and rather than dread the commute now we look forward to it. The vehicle is incredible and we are fortunate to have one. We should be only taking into consideration what our family friends and community think but not let it drive our emotions or opinion. But forgive me I am but an imperfect human. And yes this isn t a big deal it was just something I didn t expect. Thanks for listening! | Aww man you re a good person. I m thinking of the dude with the license plate on his Tesla that says NOT YURZ . You and your wife are on the opposite side of that spectrum. | Very interesting perspective. I ve thought about the same type of attention in a slightly different way. Once I get my Model3 I think there will be similar attention. Even though your car s price is twice what mine will be I agree that all Teslas have an aire of ...... I don t know the word. Almost exclusivity but not quite. To me I don t think I ll be uncomfortable with that feeling. I don t anticipate being bothered by the thought that some people are judging me because my car is unique (or in your case could be considered flashy). Interesting post. | 299 | 2 | 1,154 |
6j3hqt | 389 | a downside to ownership I did not anticipate disclaimer: I know how this is going to sound to some and it will likely be frustrating. I know that because I too debate it myself. However I doubt I am alone and it may be appreciated by some potential and current owners. First of all our 2017 X is amazing. Like incredible. It is a big middle finger to the glacier moving bloated bureaucratic auto industry. The handling performance cargo and interior space OTA updates giant display and mobile app is enjoyable to use everyday. There are new details that bring a smile to your face even months after purchase. And I haven t even mentioned Autopilot yet and the prospect of FSD. Mind blowing stuff. To give some context before I explain this post we are a young family of 3 + 1 giant dog. The model3 would not have worked. Both myself and my wife have salaries that fortunately have allowed us to put a down payment on a rancher outside my home town Vancouver Canada because Van prices were too ridiculous. We max out our registered retirement savings account allowances (401k equivalent to the US folks?) and have no debts aside from our mortgage. Saying that it s still a lot of debt and we have only been saving for a few years so lots of exposed risk. Purchasing a depreciating luxury vehicle was a 2 year decision. When we purchased we traded in our only car a 2013 Ford Escape. In other words we upped what we were willing to spend on a vehicle by 4x without much salary increase over the same time period. I guess that s the power of Tesla to us anyway. So with that out of the way there is one thing that occasionally creeps up and spoils the experience once in a while: the elitism and showiness it puts off. This is where some will think Come on man! You bought a 100k car what did you expect!? . While others will say Oh poor you that must be awful! in a sarcastic voice. And both camps are absolutely right to judge. I guess I just didn t really envision ownership enough in certain instances. For example when a friend sits inside afraid to touch anything and says pretty fancy Jordan because they just see exterior and interior luxury rather than a long range giving battery pack traditional electric motor or AI driven autopilot. Or when I grab my baby out of the back with those falcon wing doors spread wide open at my local store and everyone stops stares and doesn t move until I walk away from the scene. Or when I explain to my parents what an easter egg is by showing the Xmas show and rather than being amazed at how a company devotes effort to hide little surprises in their software everyone gets a little embarrassed that the car is flapping its wings and pumping music down my quiet street. What ultimately motivated me to write this post was only finding out yesterday that my wife was meeting some new people last week who formed a hiking group while on pat leave and instead of pulling up to the parking lot to meet them she parked down the street and walked up instead! I would like to finish where I started. We do not regret our purchase. We commute to the city regularly and rather than dread the commute now we look forward to it. The vehicle is incredible and we are fortunate to have one. We should be only taking into consideration what our family friends and community think but not let it drive our emotions or opinion. But forgive me I am but an imperfect human. And yes this isn t a big deal it was just something I didn t expect. Thanks for listening! | Aww man you re a good person. I m thinking of the dude with the license plate on his Tesla that says NOT YURZ . You and your wife are on the opposite side of that spectrum. | Welcome to the good life. :) This feeling you are having is one of many more yet to come. It s important to not let it change you for the worse stay grounded and enjoy what you ve been blessed to experience. If people start changing around you e.g. asking for money becoming over saturatedly friendly be cautious and don t be too generous. | 299 | 5 | 1,155 |
6j3hqt | 389 | a downside to ownership I did not anticipate disclaimer: I know how this is going to sound to some and it will likely be frustrating. I know that because I too debate it myself. However I doubt I am alone and it may be appreciated by some potential and current owners. First of all our 2017 X is amazing. Like incredible. It is a big middle finger to the glacier moving bloated bureaucratic auto industry. The handling performance cargo and interior space OTA updates giant display and mobile app is enjoyable to use everyday. There are new details that bring a smile to your face even months after purchase. And I haven t even mentioned Autopilot yet and the prospect of FSD. Mind blowing stuff. To give some context before I explain this post we are a young family of 3 + 1 giant dog. The model3 would not have worked. Both myself and my wife have salaries that fortunately have allowed us to put a down payment on a rancher outside my home town Vancouver Canada because Van prices were too ridiculous. We max out our registered retirement savings account allowances (401k equivalent to the US folks?) and have no debts aside from our mortgage. Saying that it s still a lot of debt and we have only been saving for a few years so lots of exposed risk. Purchasing a depreciating luxury vehicle was a 2 year decision. When we purchased we traded in our only car a 2013 Ford Escape. In other words we upped what we were willing to spend on a vehicle by 4x without much salary increase over the same time period. I guess that s the power of Tesla to us anyway. So with that out of the way there is one thing that occasionally creeps up and spoils the experience once in a while: the elitism and showiness it puts off. This is where some will think Come on man! You bought a 100k car what did you expect!? . While others will say Oh poor you that must be awful! in a sarcastic voice. And both camps are absolutely right to judge. I guess I just didn t really envision ownership enough in certain instances. For example when a friend sits inside afraid to touch anything and says pretty fancy Jordan because they just see exterior and interior luxury rather than a long range giving battery pack traditional electric motor or AI driven autopilot. Or when I grab my baby out of the back with those falcon wing doors spread wide open at my local store and everyone stops stares and doesn t move until I walk away from the scene. Or when I explain to my parents what an easter egg is by showing the Xmas show and rather than being amazed at how a company devotes effort to hide little surprises in their software everyone gets a little embarrassed that the car is flapping its wings and pumping music down my quiet street. What ultimately motivated me to write this post was only finding out yesterday that my wife was meeting some new people last week who formed a hiking group while on pat leave and instead of pulling up to the parking lot to meet them she parked down the street and walked up instead! I would like to finish where I started. We do not regret our purchase. We commute to the city regularly and rather than dread the commute now we look forward to it. The vehicle is incredible and we are fortunate to have one. We should be only taking into consideration what our family friends and community think but not let it drive our emotions or opinion. But forgive me I am but an imperfect human. And yes this isn t a big deal it was just something I didn t expect. Thanks for listening! | Aww man you re a good person. I m thinking of the dude with the license plate on his Tesla that says NOT YURZ . You and your wife are on the opposite side of that spectrum. | Probably going to get downvoted for this but this is why I hope the Y doesn t have falcon doors. | 299 | 28 | 1,156 |
6j491g | 244 | Please change your tires Look you ve spent $100k+ on your car. You paid extra for the cool larger tires. Now pay for new ones when you need them. I m sitting here at the Waco TX Superharger and 3 of the 4 cars here all with the upgraded tire size have tires that are completely bald. This is why you don t buy the big tires. If you re not willing to pay a few grand every year don t get it. It s not safe. You re endangering yourselves and those around you. | I asked Elon to add a reminder to the app because it is easy to forget to rotate the tires when you don t have to do oil changes. https: twitter.com BraveRock_ status 877471952570601472 | Shoot I only have the 19 tires & they cost $1400 to replace. What s the price of the 21 s? | 112 | 5 | 1,157 |
6j491g | 244 | Please change your tires Look you ve spent $100k+ on your car. You paid extra for the cool larger tires. Now pay for new ones when you need them. I m sitting here at the Waco TX Superharger and 3 of the 4 cars here all with the upgraded tire size have tires that are completely bald. This is why you don t buy the big tires. If you re not willing to pay a few grand every year don t get it. It s not safe. You re endangering yourselves and those around you. | I asked Elon to add a reminder to the app because it is easy to forget to rotate the tires when you don t have to do oil changes. https: twitter.com BraveRock_ status 877471952570601472 | Perhaps the drivers are unaware that the low profile tires go bald so soon? | 112 | 18 | 1,158 |
6j84rq | 65 | What happened to the silky smooth AP2 update? Last I heard it was probably going wide last weekend. I never got it. Did it go wide? I haven t seen too many videos of it so I m kinda assuming it didn t? | I got it. But I also took my car into the service center and asked for them to do it. Indeed silky smooth. I ve also noticed it picks up things like pedestrians and other large in path objects and shows them as cars. More testing is in order though. | What Elon says x3...... How can you people not have learned this yet? | 39 | 8 | 1,159 |
6je0a2 | 29 | Signed up for Model 3 but no garage driveway etc. I m an NYC city dweller without a car driveway or garage. Yet out of foolish optimism I signed up for the new production model 3. Any tips on whether I could street park (then where to charge?) or otherwise affordably (and trustfully) rent someone s garage? | Do you need a car? | You could ask if the city will add chargers to the street but I doubt they would do that. Best luck is to find a garage. | 60 | 10 | 1,160 |
6je0a2 | 29 | Signed up for Model 3 but no garage driveway etc. I m an NYC city dweller without a car driveway or garage. Yet out of foolish optimism I signed up for the new production model 3. Any tips on whether I could street park (then where to charge?) or otherwise affordably (and trustfully) rent someone s garage? | Do you need a car? | How many miles would you drive weekly? If you drive less than 200 miles you can easily go to a nearby supercharger once a week for an hour. Tesla wants to add more superchargers to cities in the future. It s not super convenient but IMO still ok. | 60 | 13 | 1,161 |
6jfxbq | 56 | How did Elon Musk make it cool for young talents to work for Tesla and spaceX while NASA and Detroit Japanese car companies couldn t? The latter group of companies provide more stability and have a solid reputation but what makes working for Elon worth bragging about? I never hear anyone nowadays bragging about being an engineer at nasa or a PM at GM. | Since when is it uncool to work at NASA? NASA was on a roll through the early 1970s and taking man kind to Mars and a moon base and Congress put the brakes on forcing layoffs. If NASA is hiring there s no shortage of people who want to work for it. | Confirmation bias. There s something like 100k engineering grads a year coming out of US colleges alone. To put that in perspective Tesla and SpaceX employ roughly 40k people total. Tons of that young talent is going to work for NASA Boeing GM Honda etc. | 97 | 17 | 1,162 |
6jfxbq | 56 | How did Elon Musk make it cool for young talents to work for Tesla and spaceX while NASA and Detroit Japanese car companies couldn t? The latter group of companies provide more stability and have a solid reputation but what makes working for Elon worth bragging about? I never hear anyone nowadays bragging about being an engineer at nasa or a PM at GM. | Since when is it uncool to work at NASA? NASA was on a roll through the early 1970s and taking man kind to Mars and a moon base and Congress put the brakes on forcing layoffs. If NASA is hiring there s no shortage of people who want to work for it. | Before Tesla the youngest car company was Chrysler at 90 years old or something. In Tesla short time of existence not only are they bringing commercial EVs earlier than every other big company they re on the forefront of autonomous driving. They re vehicle goals aren t to create a compliance car or slightly redo a previous architecture for an EV application. They go from the ground up to create the safest (according to nhtsa) quickest and convenient cars. Elon Musk is a catalyst for sustainable energy and advancement of humanity who appeals to the new generation of engineers who are seeking to make an impact on society that maybe their children and grandchildren from. Maybe I came off as sensationalist but that s really my opinion on working for Elon | 97 | 30 | 1,163 |
6jfxbq | 56 | How did Elon Musk make it cool for young talents to work for Tesla and spaceX while NASA and Detroit Japanese car companies couldn t? The latter group of companies provide more stability and have a solid reputation but what makes working for Elon worth bragging about? I never hear anyone nowadays bragging about being an engineer at nasa or a PM at GM. | Since when is it uncool to work at NASA? NASA was on a roll through the early 1970s and taking man kind to Mars and a moon base and Congress put the brakes on forcing layoffs. If NASA is hiring there s no shortage of people who want to work for it. | I think it s the perception that working for Tesla and SpaceX makes it more likely for a person to have an individual impact. Larger aerospace and engineering companies are often embroiled in so much process and bureaucracy that it can be difficult or frustrating to accomplish even simple goals. That feeling can wreak havoc on one s feeling of self-worth. Elon seems to keep his companies steering clear of that trap at least for now. Source: Am young engineer have worked at four large aerospace defense companies | 97 | 33 | 1,164 |
6jomcd | 56 | July Part 3 Event Can we start bets on when the final reveal event will be? Can break it down into 4 weeks first week is July 4th extended weekend week so likely not then. My best guess is Thursday July 20th. And starting deliveries the following week as promised. | Going to be last week of July hands down. July 31st my guess. First Model 3s will be delivered on stage just to say they delivered in July. | Make it interesting and guess days not weeks. | 79 | 2 | 1,165 |
6jomcd | 56 | July Part 3 Event Can we start bets on when the final reveal event will be? Can break it down into 4 weeks first week is July 4th extended weekend week so likely not then. My best guess is Thursday July 20th. And starting deliveries the following week as promised. | Going to be last week of July hands down. July 31st my guess. First Model 3s will be delivered on stage just to say they delivered in July. | I m thinking Wed. July 12th. No reason it just seems like a good day to be hopeful about. | 79 | 7 | 1,166 |
6jomcd | 56 | July Part 3 Event Can we start bets on when the final reveal event will be? Can break it down into 4 weeks first week is July 4th extended weekend week so likely not then. My best guess is Thursday July 20th. And starting deliveries the following week as promised. | Using my Elon Standard Time calculator^tm I m estimating July 37th. s I know it won t happen but having the release happen on the 3rd at 3pm would be cool. | Make it interesting and guess days not weeks. | 48 | 2 | 1,167 |
6jprzx | 60 | AP3 HW3 soon I was sifting through some EAP code and saw some things that would make for a great speculation piece I think. So we all know Model S X are at HW2 AP2 now and it s the latest and greatest and would remain so right? Well Model3 AP is actually HW2.5 (with some meaningful changes over HW2). And not only that the car itself is referred to as legacy m3 (similarly to legacy msr and legacy mx references of the other cars from before). HW3 AP3 is soon to be announced? Possibly even during 3 reveal to ensure that the (new) S X remain better cars over 3? | > And not only that the car itself is referred to as legacy m3 Simple misunderstanding. That code is actually for the BMW M3. | I m going to need some more concrete proof on this. How d you get Tesla s source code? | 74 | 10 | 1,168 |
6jprzx | 60 | AP3 HW3 soon I was sifting through some EAP code and saw some things that would make for a great speculation piece I think. So we all know Model S X are at HW2 AP2 now and it s the latest and greatest and would remain so right? Well Model3 AP is actually HW2.5 (with some meaningful changes over HW2). And not only that the car itself is referred to as legacy m3 (similarly to legacy msr and legacy mx references of the other cars from before). HW3 AP3 is soon to be announced? Possibly even during 3 reveal to ensure that the (new) S X remain better cars over 3? | > And not only that the car itself is referred to as legacy m3 Simple misunderstanding. That code is actually for the BMW M3. | Where did you come across this code? | 74 | 11 | 1,169 |
6jprzx | 60 | AP3 HW3 soon I was sifting through some EAP code and saw some things that would make for a great speculation piece I think. So we all know Model S X are at HW2 AP2 now and it s the latest and greatest and would remain so right? Well Model3 AP is actually HW2.5 (with some meaningful changes over HW2). And not only that the car itself is referred to as legacy m3 (similarly to legacy msr and legacy mx references of the other cars from before). HW3 AP3 is soon to be announced? Possibly even during 3 reveal to ensure that the (new) S X remain better cars over 3? | > And not only that the car itself is referred to as legacy m3 Simple misunderstanding. That code is actually for the BMW M3. | Come on now... you re gonna have to provide more background to this. Where and how did you encounter this info? Can you give more context to these labels and what info is associated with the labels? | 74 | 28 | 1,170 |
6jrua6 | 26 | Got a nasty look from a woman while using AP I had my AP on while going around 50 on a two lane local road and we were going around a slight left curve. I was in the left lane and the car was (as it often does) drifting too close to the right lady in the other car to my right swerved to the right probably thinking I was going to hit her. I looked over and she gave me a really nasty look. Really wish Tesla would fix this - they should see the car isn t centered in the lane and the sensors detect another car is next to it. Why can t they just have it turn away from the other car and center itself in the lane?!? | Maintaining dead center in the lane is actually uncomfortable. Notice when you drive you don t stay exactly in the center of the lane through curves. Tesla is trying to give the car similar tolerances for being out of center that a human driver would have. That means trying different things to avoid making sudden corrections that give the ride an artificial feel. > I had my AP on while going around 50 on a two lane local road Meanwhile are you sure you should be doing this? I too use AP where it should not be used for things it shouldn t be used for but I don t complain when it doesn t behave as expected. | This sub has almost daily posts demonstrating the gap between the hype of SDC and the reality. I think it was over a year ago that Elon said that SDC was essentially a solved problem . But it sounds like Tesla AP2 is still worse than even an average driver on lane positioning even in good conditions. | 28 | 2 | 1,171 |
6jw2i4 | 44 | AP 1 sudden deceleration in freeway - Update from tesla They called me after looking into vehicle logs and confirmed it it because of a FW update that picks up speed of probably an adjacent road while on far most lane. Their suggestion was to stick to center lane till a new FW rolls out . Again there was a disclaimer that AP is in beta. Also while in far right lane there is possibility of deceleration while next to a exit lane because car might think I am taking an exit is what they told. Definitely made my AP 1 experience sub par compared to earlier. Not sure what they are trying to achieve here by retrogressing a working feature and making it unsafe at freeway speeds. And how long will it be beta?? | > And how long will it be beta?? Years. | Also I am surprised why it would impact AP 1. AP 1 cannot do autopilot anywhere except freeway. So this off ramp slowing down should have been an update specific to AP 2 (in FSD anticipation ) rather than having it on AP1 IMO | 35 | 2 | 1,172 |
6jw2i4 | 44 | AP 1 sudden deceleration in freeway - Update from tesla They called me after looking into vehicle logs and confirmed it it because of a FW update that picks up speed of probably an adjacent road while on far most lane. Their suggestion was to stick to center lane till a new FW rolls out . Again there was a disclaimer that AP is in beta. Also while in far right lane there is possibility of deceleration while next to a exit lane because car might think I am taking an exit is what they told. Definitely made my AP 1 experience sub par compared to earlier. Not sure what they are trying to achieve here by retrogressing a working feature and making it unsafe at freeway speeds. And how long will it be beta?? | > And how long will it be beta?? Years. | Interesting - it does sound like that s a step back. I thought the GPS was accurate enough to avoid that situation but I guess not. If they are having trouble with the GPS maybe they should just rely on signs rather than GPS data on speeds. Also it shouldn t slow down due to off-ramps unless you have the blinker on. Perhaps people were putting on the blinker too late and it was taking off-ramps at too high of speeds and so they tweaked it and now it anticipates too much and slows down. Thanks for the update! | 35 | 7 | 1,173 |
6k9siu | 27 | Help me prepare for my Model 3 I currently have a 30-amp Siemens VersiCharge for my LEAF plugged into a NEMA 6-50 outlet. The outlet is on two 20 amp circuits and my panel is full. Advice on what to do? I m likely ditching the LEAF so that s not an issue but I d like to not spend a ton on a new panel. | Do nothing. Plug your Model 3 into the VersiCharge. Even if it has a huge 75 kWh battery and you run it empty it ll be recharged in less than 11 hours so you can drive 300 miles a day and still have a full 300 mile tank in the morning. There s no reason to spend any money on a new panel or a new charger unless you re running a taxi service out of your house or something. | You can just use your existing 30A J1772 charger and the included adapter that comes with the Teslas. The NEMA 14-50 outlet paired with the included Tesla UMC is good for 40A but there is not downside to just using what you already have. You can also buy this adapter for the UMC and plug it directly into the outlet and sell your charger if you wanted. https: shop.teslamotors.com products nema-6-50 it is rated for 40A as well so you would need to upgrade to a 50A breaker. Just using the charger you have now and the included adapter seems like the best way to go for the time being as it wont cost you anything and gives you good charging options. Plus visitors will still be able to charge their non-Tesla EVs when they visit. | 54 | 14 | 1,174 |
6kcict | 189 | UPDATE: My Tesla Model X 90D Driver side falcon door opened while driving on freeway with my 6 y.o. sitting next to it! To the Reddit community I would like to come back and thank everyone who took the time to read our post. It was your attention that prompted top Tesla executives to step up and address the issue with seriousness. Within 24 hours of posting we were contacted by John McNeil and Michael Ojaghian and the repurchase process was completed with the personal delivery of our refund check. https: imgur.com gallery Y2iwR There has been both positive and negative reaction to my post as some doubted the veracity of my statements. Other than what I have already written concerning the issue the accuracy of my statements will be further confirmed when the NTSB has concluded their investigation (and can be attested to by the alacrity with which Tesla handled the refund once this issue went public). This is a matter of public safety that should be addressed by Tesla and all other car companies who choose to employ the same type of automatic door in their vehicles. In my case my child s life was put at risk by a clear defect in their vehicle which I hope no mother would ever have to experience. I appreciate the support of the Reddit community but I did not escape unscathed. It is clear that there are some who would rather attempt intimidation than read a person s account with fair-minded criticality. I expected questions but not abuse as some forgot that my family were Tesla fans which is why we waited a year for our vehicle. I hope my own experience drives others to positively support each other to resolve broad-based issues like transportation safety. In the end if my story had ended tragically it would have likely affected many more families on that busy freeway. Thank you My Tesla Story *My Original post can be found here: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6giiao my_model_x_90d_driver_side_falcon_door_opened_on **By sharing our story I hope the biggest take away for everyone is that there is a safety issue on the Model X that is still unresolved. The car is currently in Fremont undergoing a deep diagnosis as to what went wrong per executives. Every Model X owner should demand an answer from Tesla as to why this happened and whether it could happen to them. We truly wish everyone the best...be safe! | I get downvotes every time I say it but I m sure as hell not buying a 3 in the first 6+ months of manufacturing. Even years after the X came out there s an extremely dangerous flaw such as this in a car. I love Tesla. I love their mission. I reserved my 3 at noon before the reveal. But posts like this really sober me up that it s not all rainbows and fairies over at Fremont. Kudos to those of you ordering your car in those first few months | > I expected questions but not abuse That s on you ) If you expect anonymous people on the internet to not be dicks you ll be wrong 10 10. Glad everything worked out for you. Hopefully Tesla will learn some technical and customer relations lessons and better their product for the rest of us as a result. | 68 | 6 | 1,175 |
6kcict | 189 | UPDATE: My Tesla Model X 90D Driver side falcon door opened while driving on freeway with my 6 y.o. sitting next to it! To the Reddit community I would like to come back and thank everyone who took the time to read our post. It was your attention that prompted top Tesla executives to step up and address the issue with seriousness. Within 24 hours of posting we were contacted by John McNeil and Michael Ojaghian and the repurchase process was completed with the personal delivery of our refund check. https: imgur.com gallery Y2iwR There has been both positive and negative reaction to my post as some doubted the veracity of my statements. Other than what I have already written concerning the issue the accuracy of my statements will be further confirmed when the NTSB has concluded their investigation (and can be attested to by the alacrity with which Tesla handled the refund once this issue went public). This is a matter of public safety that should be addressed by Tesla and all other car companies who choose to employ the same type of automatic door in their vehicles. In my case my child s life was put at risk by a clear defect in their vehicle which I hope no mother would ever have to experience. I appreciate the support of the Reddit community but I did not escape unscathed. It is clear that there are some who would rather attempt intimidation than read a person s account with fair-minded criticality. I expected questions but not abuse as some forgot that my family were Tesla fans which is why we waited a year for our vehicle. I hope my own experience drives others to positively support each other to resolve broad-based issues like transportation safety. In the end if my story had ended tragically it would have likely affected many more families on that busy freeway. Thank you My Tesla Story *My Original post can be found here: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6giiao my_model_x_90d_driver_side_falcon_door_opened_on **By sharing our story I hope the biggest take away for everyone is that there is a safety issue on the Model X that is still unresolved. The car is currently in Fremont undergoing a deep diagnosis as to what went wrong per executives. Every Model X owner should demand an answer from Tesla as to why this happened and whether it could happen to them. We truly wish everyone the best...be safe! | I get downvotes every time I say it but I m sure as hell not buying a 3 in the first 6+ months of manufacturing. Even years after the X came out there s an extremely dangerous flaw such as this in a car. I love Tesla. I love their mission. I reserved my 3 at noon before the reveal. But posts like this really sober me up that it s not all rainbows and fairies over at Fremont. Kudos to those of you ordering your car in those first few months | Thanks for the update! What s your next plan? Will you go Tesla again (with the S)? | 68 | 12 | 1,176 |
6kcict | 189 | UPDATE: My Tesla Model X 90D Driver side falcon door opened while driving on freeway with my 6 y.o. sitting next to it! To the Reddit community I would like to come back and thank everyone who took the time to read our post. It was your attention that prompted top Tesla executives to step up and address the issue with seriousness. Within 24 hours of posting we were contacted by John McNeil and Michael Ojaghian and the repurchase process was completed with the personal delivery of our refund check. https: imgur.com gallery Y2iwR There has been both positive and negative reaction to my post as some doubted the veracity of my statements. Other than what I have already written concerning the issue the accuracy of my statements will be further confirmed when the NTSB has concluded their investigation (and can be attested to by the alacrity with which Tesla handled the refund once this issue went public). This is a matter of public safety that should be addressed by Tesla and all other car companies who choose to employ the same type of automatic door in their vehicles. In my case my child s life was put at risk by a clear defect in their vehicle which I hope no mother would ever have to experience. I appreciate the support of the Reddit community but I did not escape unscathed. It is clear that there are some who would rather attempt intimidation than read a person s account with fair-minded criticality. I expected questions but not abuse as some forgot that my family were Tesla fans which is why we waited a year for our vehicle. I hope my own experience drives others to positively support each other to resolve broad-based issues like transportation safety. In the end if my story had ended tragically it would have likely affected many more families on that busy freeway. Thank you My Tesla Story *My Original post can be found here: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6giiao my_model_x_90d_driver_side_falcon_door_opened_on **By sharing our story I hope the biggest take away for everyone is that there is a safety issue on the Model X that is still unresolved. The car is currently in Fremont undergoing a deep diagnosis as to what went wrong per executives. Every Model X owner should demand an answer from Tesla as to why this happened and whether it could happen to them. We truly wish everyone the best...be safe! | I get downvotes every time I say it but I m sure as hell not buying a 3 in the first 6+ months of manufacturing. Even years after the X came out there s an extremely dangerous flaw such as this in a car. I love Tesla. I love their mission. I reserved my 3 at noon before the reveal. But posts like this really sober me up that it s not all rainbows and fairies over at Fremont. Kudos to those of you ordering your car in those first few months | I m glad that they took the correct action for an issue that got so serious. I m not surprised but feel bad about the level of douchebaggery that anonymous keyboard warriors threw your way. I am a huge Tesla fan but when they re wrong they re wrong especially given that your family was put at risk. Glad you re all fine though. I am curious though what car you ll go with next and if you would ever consider a Tesla again. | 68 | 12 | 1,177 |
6kgjy8 | 38 | 17.24.28 am I crazy Or does the audio system sound way better? When I first drove the car after the update the sound system sounded like it was on mono it was awful. So I went in the eq and moved 1 bar and boom and system kicked in and I belive it sounds way better than before! Anyone else seeing this? | It s funny that you mention that after only a couple weeks ago Elon discussing how the audio could me drastically improved just with software driver refinements. | Always like that for me. 0 = no sub. Edit: I have the premium sound system. It sounded horrible until I adjusted the EQ. | 33 | 2 | 1,178 |
6kn0q5 | 224 | Model X & Model S Changes Looks like the design studio was updated overnight. Model S: - 75 0-60 is now 4.3 seconds down from 5.5 seconds - 75D 0-60 is now 4.2 seconds down from 5.2 seconds - 100D 0-60 is now 4.1 seconds down from 4.2 seconds. Model X: - 6 seat with or without console is now $4 500 - 7 seat no longer has the sliding seats rather the fold-able version like the 5 seater priced at $3 000 - 75D 0-60 is now 4.9 seconds down from 6.0 seconds - 100D 0-60 is now 4.7 seconds down from 4.8 seconds. Edit: Added older numbers to compare. | Im sure they are trying to increase the gap from the model 3 too. Now the S is almost a full second quicker in every category. | Wonder if this is hardware or software upgrade. | 81 | 2 | 1,179 |
6kn0q5 | 224 | Model X & Model S Changes Looks like the design studio was updated overnight. Model S: - 75 0-60 is now 4.3 seconds down from 5.5 seconds - 75D 0-60 is now 4.2 seconds down from 5.2 seconds - 100D 0-60 is now 4.1 seconds down from 4.2 seconds. Model X: - 6 seat with or without console is now $4 500 - 7 seat no longer has the sliding seats rather the fold-able version like the 5 seater priced at $3 000 - 75D 0-60 is now 4.9 seconds down from 6.0 seconds - 100D 0-60 is now 4.7 seconds down from 4.8 seconds. Edit: Added older numbers to compare. | Im sure they are trying to increase the gap from the model 3 too. Now the S is almost a full second quicker in every category. | Also made changes to the Model X page. If this 0-60 is true... I ll be happy. I was hoping for 0-60 in 4~ sec but that required an 85D minimum. Would love to know what changed. Even the new design studio has the same numbers. (https: www.tesla.com build models) You can stop the web page before it redirects to see it. | 81 | 6 | 1,180 |
6kn0q5 | 224 | Model X & Model S Changes Looks like the design studio was updated overnight. Model S: - 75 0-60 is now 4.3 seconds down from 5.5 seconds - 75D 0-60 is now 4.2 seconds down from 5.2 seconds - 100D 0-60 is now 4.1 seconds down from 4.2 seconds. Model X: - 6 seat with or without console is now $4 500 - 7 seat no longer has the sliding seats rather the fold-able version like the 5 seater priced at $3 000 - 75D 0-60 is now 4.9 seconds down from 6.0 seconds - 100D 0-60 is now 4.7 seconds down from 4.8 seconds. Edit: Added older numbers to compare. | Im sure they are trying to increase the gap from the model 3 too. Now the S is almost a full second quicker in every category. | That is amazing! Software upgrade? | 81 | 29 | 1,181 |
6krn7l | 343 | It s officially Sunday. Godspeed to all the F5 keys out there. Today is the day we officially hear the release date for the Model 3. Or the final reveal date. Or the date those dates will be revealed. Or... something....maybe. Elon is a master of suspense. Edit: [Elon confirms today](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 881573366565527553) | #YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES | F5 keys? | 69 | 2 | 1,182 |
6krn7l | 343 | It s officially Sunday. Godspeed to all the F5 keys out there. Today is the day we officially hear the release date for the Model 3. Or the final reveal date. Or the date those dates will be revealed. Or... something....maybe. Elon is a master of suspense. Edit: [Elon confirms today](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 881573366565527553) | #YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES | 27 minute till midnight here in Cali :D | 69 | 4 | 1,183 |
6krn7l | 343 | It s officially Sunday. Godspeed to all the F5 keys out there. Today is the day we officially hear the release date for the Model 3. Or the final reveal date. Or the date those dates will be revealed. Or... something....maybe. Elon is a master of suspense. Edit: [Elon confirms today](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 881573366565527553) | #YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES^YES | CANT WAIT! | 69 | 8 | 1,184 |
6ktn4h | 77 | Potential new Drive Unit?.... OP removed the initial post but I think it s still worth a discussion. Here is the photo with an updated part description: http: i.imgur.com GsxU4AE.png OP had noted that there s a potential new drive unit option which is only showing up on newer cars listed in the past few days. Then compared it to older ones under the 203 VIN and none have it. There are only a few available in the inventory and they sold in the last few days. And here is my comment that followed: ----- Great find. Makes me curious now if Tesla has created the Million-Mile Motor they ve been striving for prior to Model 3 launching. [Blog post referencing Million mile motor](https: www.tesla.com blog three-dog-day) - The whole blog post is a great read but this is what I m referring to. > **Luuudicrous Mode** > While working on our goal of making the power train last a million miles we came up with the idea for an advanced smart fuse for the battery. **Edit**: What if a million-mile motor will be announced w the Model 3 or Semi Event.... holy crap that would be amazing. u FredTesla can you reach out for any verification? If it s something they re going to announce then you may not hear back but it doesn t hurt to try. **Edit 2 (Fred s reply)**: They said that they wouldn t confirm the changes beyond the fact that it is a mix of hardware and software. I have a feeling they have used tech developed for the Model 3 drive unit and implemented it to the Model S X drive unit. I ll try to get more. ----- I cropped out some potential identifying information from the photo (not sure if it was personal) but also... OP put it on the internet. Worth chatting about given upcoming announcements. | Always had a feeling that when Musk said no new tech on the 3 that isn t already on S and X he meant that there *will* be new tech and the S and X will simply get it immediately before it becomes available on the 3. | Maybe some efficiency improvements in the motor will improve the range... | 59 | 4 | 1,185 |
6ktn4h | 77 | Potential new Drive Unit?.... OP removed the initial post but I think it s still worth a discussion. Here is the photo with an updated part description: http: i.imgur.com GsxU4AE.png OP had noted that there s a potential new drive unit option which is only showing up on newer cars listed in the past few days. Then compared it to older ones under the 203 VIN and none have it. There are only a few available in the inventory and they sold in the last few days. And here is my comment that followed: ----- Great find. Makes me curious now if Tesla has created the Million-Mile Motor they ve been striving for prior to Model 3 launching. [Blog post referencing Million mile motor](https: www.tesla.com blog three-dog-day) - The whole blog post is a great read but this is what I m referring to. > **Luuudicrous Mode** > While working on our goal of making the power train last a million miles we came up with the idea for an advanced smart fuse for the battery. **Edit**: What if a million-mile motor will be announced w the Model 3 or Semi Event.... holy crap that would be amazing. u FredTesla can you reach out for any verification? If it s something they re going to announce then you may not hear back but it doesn t hurt to try. **Edit 2 (Fred s reply)**: They said that they wouldn t confirm the changes beyond the fact that it is a mix of hardware and software. I have a feeling they have used tech developed for the Model 3 drive unit and implemented it to the Model S X drive unit. I ll try to get more. ----- I cropped out some potential identifying information from the photo (not sure if it was personal) but also... OP put it on the internet. Worth chatting about given upcoming announcements. | Always had a feeling that when Musk said no new tech on the 3 that isn t already on S and X he meant that there *will* be new tech and the S and X will simply get it immediately before it becomes available on the 3. | If Tesla believed they succeeded in making a million mile motor they should be making a bigger deal out of it. This is a rather stealth way of launching something of that importance. It would make sense if this all tied back to the Model 3 Tesla Semi. Since they both require high mileage reliability to be commercially viable. But it could also just be a step change improvement to increase the performance of the S X compared to the 3 to differentiate the two products. | 59 | 17 | 1,186 |
6ktn4h | 77 | Potential new Drive Unit?.... OP removed the initial post but I think it s still worth a discussion. Here is the photo with an updated part description: http: i.imgur.com GsxU4AE.png OP had noted that there s a potential new drive unit option which is only showing up on newer cars listed in the past few days. Then compared it to older ones under the 203 VIN and none have it. There are only a few available in the inventory and they sold in the last few days. And here is my comment that followed: ----- Great find. Makes me curious now if Tesla has created the Million-Mile Motor they ve been striving for prior to Model 3 launching. [Blog post referencing Million mile motor](https: www.tesla.com blog three-dog-day) - The whole blog post is a great read but this is what I m referring to. > **Luuudicrous Mode** > While working on our goal of making the power train last a million miles we came up with the idea for an advanced smart fuse for the battery. **Edit**: What if a million-mile motor will be announced w the Model 3 or Semi Event.... holy crap that would be amazing. u FredTesla can you reach out for any verification? If it s something they re going to announce then you may not hear back but it doesn t hurt to try. **Edit 2 (Fred s reply)**: They said that they wouldn t confirm the changes beyond the fact that it is a mix of hardware and software. I have a feeling they have used tech developed for the Model 3 drive unit and implemented it to the Model S X drive unit. I ll try to get more. ----- I cropped out some potential identifying information from the photo (not sure if it was personal) but also... OP put it on the internet. Worth chatting about given upcoming announcements. | Always had a feeling that when Musk said no new tech on the 3 that isn t already on S and X he meant that there *will* be new tech and the S and X will simply get it immediately before it becomes available on the 3. | Not sure why it s being deleted over and over again. Ill repost what I posted before: > They said that they wouldn t confirm the changes beyond the fact that it is a mix of hardware and software. I have a feeling they have used tech developped for the Model 3 drive unit and implemented it to the Model S X drive unit. I ll try to get more. | 59 | 25 | 1,187 |
6kv4xw | 60 | Has anyone tried running the AC over night in their car while sleeping in it and see how much of a dent in percent it did on the Battery? Planning my future home. | all you need to know is here: https: www.bloomberg.com features 2016-tesla-camper-mode & nbsp The only new thing is that the Model X got a new flat seat option just this week. | I would assume around 10% in the south and less up north per overnight with only rough estimates of how efficient the a c unit is | 33 | 5 | 1,188 |
6kwx8s | 155 | Is it just me or is today dragging on for an eternity? Title says it all. Stay strong fellow reservation holders!!! | Looks like he s planning for midnight Hawaii time. | Not just you. Let s play a game. Whoever guesses the correct (or closest) time for release of the announcement gets a virtual cookie. I m going to go with 9:17 p.m. Pacific. | 50 | 12 | 1,189 |
6kwx8s | 155 | Is it just me or is today dragging on for an eternity? Title says it all. Stay strong fellow reservation holders!!! | Looks like he s planning for midnight Hawaii time. | For those outside the PST (pacific standard time) it hurt must be twice as bad. | 50 | 15 | 1,190 |
6kwx8s | 155 | Is it just me or is today dragging on for an eternity? Title says it all. Stay strong fellow reservation holders!!! | I m with ya. Hopefully we hear something within the hour. Until then ill keep refreshing new every 5 sec. | For those outside the PST (pacific standard time) it hurt must be twice as bad. | 47 | 15 | 1,191 |
6ky61m | 267 | Elon on Twitter: Handover party for first 30 customer Model 3 s on the 28th! Production grows exponentially so Aug should be 100 cars and Sept above 1500. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 881755501905588226 | Using Excel to fit a trendline to that data give y = 3.3019exp(1.956x) and R^2 = 0.953 where x is the number of months after June 2017 (ie x=1 for July x=2 for August etc) That runs away pretty quickly with October having over 8000 and November having almost 60000. Their goal was 5000 wk by the end of the year or about 20000 month (edit: typed this before I saw Musk s tweet about 20000 by December guess I am good at guessing). Usually you can expect a quick ramp followed by a gradual slowing in the ramp. So my prediction is: Amount (Cumulative) - July 2017 = 30 (30) - August 2017 = 100 (130) - September 2017 = 1500 (1630) - October 2017 = 7500 (9130) - November 2017 = 15000 (24130) - December 2017 = 20000 (44130) - January 2018 = 22500 (66630) Add 2500 per month until you reach 40000 month. By the end of July 2018 about 250k delivered. | Maybe my memory is foggy but weren t they talking about 1000 a week in July 2000 a week in August and 4000 a week in September? | 35 | 3 | 1,192 |
6ky61m | 267 | Elon on Twitter: Handover party for first 30 customer Model 3 s on the 28th! Production grows exponentially so Aug should be 100 cars and Sept above 1500. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 881755501905588226 | Using Excel to fit a trendline to that data give y = 3.3019exp(1.956x) and R^2 = 0.953 where x is the number of months after June 2017 (ie x=1 for July x=2 for August etc) That runs away pretty quickly with October having over 8000 and November having almost 60000. Their goal was 5000 wk by the end of the year or about 20000 month (edit: typed this before I saw Musk s tweet about 20000 by December guess I am good at guessing). Usually you can expect a quick ramp followed by a gradual slowing in the ramp. So my prediction is: Amount (Cumulative) - July 2017 = 30 (30) - August 2017 = 100 (130) - September 2017 = 1500 (1630) - October 2017 = 7500 (9130) - November 2017 = 15000 (24130) - December 2017 = 20000 (44130) - January 2018 = 22500 (66630) Add 2500 per month until you reach 40000 month. By the end of July 2018 about 250k delivered. | Well it seems like the ramp up could be fairly exponential but only time will tell. I am fine waiting a bit longer. Gives me more time to save for a higher down payment. | 35 | 3 | 1,193 |
6ky61m | 267 | Elon on Twitter: Handover party for first 30 customer Model 3 s on the 28th! Production grows exponentially so Aug should be 100 cars and Sept above 1500. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 881755501905588226 | Using Excel to fit a trendline to that data give y = 3.3019exp(1.956x) and R^2 = 0.953 where x is the number of months after June 2017 (ie x=1 for July x=2 for August etc) That runs away pretty quickly with October having over 8000 and November having almost 60000. Their goal was 5000 wk by the end of the year or about 20000 month (edit: typed this before I saw Musk s tweet about 20000 by December guess I am good at guessing). Usually you can expect a quick ramp followed by a gradual slowing in the ramp. So my prediction is: Amount (Cumulative) - July 2017 = 30 (30) - August 2017 = 100 (130) - September 2017 = 1500 (1630) - October 2017 = 7500 (9130) - November 2017 = 15000 (24130) - December 2017 = 20000 (44130) - January 2018 = 22500 (66630) Add 2500 per month until you reach 40000 month. By the end of July 2018 about 250k delivered. | Was about to comment on the first one saying not sure if staying awake (EDT) for this was worth. This makes it much better. | 35 | 5 | 1,194 |
6kza66 | 52 | Weekly Investing Thread This will post every Monday (EST) at 6AM. Use this thread to comment your own investor links during the week. This thread is specifically intended for TSLA related posts. This thread is meant only for casual discussion regarding TSLA stock. This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance. | I m surprised so much investor focus is on delivery dates & numbers and next-gen tech like autopilot. Essentially Tesla is a brand and an electric car manufacturer. The biggest fear I have (as an investor) is that the model 3 sucks that it has tech issues or people hate the interior or the ride or other general experience . I intend to hold my shares for 10 years+. In 9 years time I wont care if 20 000 cars shipped in september october november or January 2018. What I *will* care about is if Tesla knocked it out of the park with a must have mass-market EV or ballsed it up. I wouldn t bat an eyelid if Elon announced the M3 ship date being pushed back 2 or 3 months to fine tune the car. Get it right. | What do you guys believe the stock price will be at the end of this year? I m a total noob in the stock market but is 500 really that far off? | 67 | 2 | 1,195 |
6kza66 | 52 | Weekly Investing Thread This will post every Monday (EST) at 6AM. Use this thread to comment your own investor links during the week. This thread is specifically intended for TSLA related posts. This thread is meant only for casual discussion regarding TSLA stock. This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance. | I m surprised so much investor focus is on delivery dates & numbers and next-gen tech like autopilot. Essentially Tesla is a brand and an electric car manufacturer. The biggest fear I have (as an investor) is that the model 3 sucks that it has tech issues or people hate the interior or the ride or other general experience . I intend to hold my shares for 10 years+. In 9 years time I wont care if 20 000 cars shipped in september october november or January 2018. What I *will* care about is if Tesla knocked it out of the park with a must have mass-market EV or ballsed it up. I wouldn t bat an eyelid if Elon announced the M3 ship date being pushed back 2 or 3 months to fine tune the car. Get it right. | $380 by the end of the day boys let s go. | 67 | 3 | 1,196 |
6kza66 | 52 | Weekly Investing Thread This will post every Monday (EST) at 6AM. Use this thread to comment your own investor links during the week. This thread is specifically intended for TSLA related posts. This thread is meant only for casual discussion regarding TSLA stock. This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance. | I m surprised so much investor focus is on delivery dates & numbers and next-gen tech like autopilot. Essentially Tesla is a brand and an electric car manufacturer. The biggest fear I have (as an investor) is that the model 3 sucks that it has tech issues or people hate the interior or the ride or other general experience . I intend to hold my shares for 10 years+. In 9 years time I wont care if 20 000 cars shipped in september october november or January 2018. What I *will* care about is if Tesla knocked it out of the park with a must have mass-market EV or ballsed it up. I wouldn t bat an eyelid if Elon announced the M3 ship date being pushed back 2 or 3 months to fine tune the car. Get it right. | What s happening with the stock price. It s on free fall mode... | 67 | 4 | 1,197 |
6l1ev5 | 46 | Sorry if I missed it but... Are they starting delivery without announcing options? While I m sure the first 30 are hand selected but... have they announced options yet? Seems weird they are starting production without announcing options. | The first vehicles all go to Tesla SpaceX and SolarCity employees who no doubt are able to specify what they want on their cars... If they re even allowing specifications... without us the consumer even seeing it. It s also highly likely they re testing the configurator internally. | No. They re building a limited number of trim levels that ll be available to early adopters (employees etc). Configurator and options and reveal for general public will come in the next few weeks. | 80 | 11 | 1,198 |
6l35lq | 85 | Will you be waiting for AWD on your model 3? Will you be waiting for AWD on your model 3? ---- Just wanna see how many reservation holders are waiting. ---- |Vote Button| Poll Options|Current Vote Count| |:-----------:|:------------:|:------------| |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 2046iegQ)**|Yes I will be waiting.|**474** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 8OA7uzvN)**|No I won t.|**199** Votes ---- **Instructions:** * Click Vote to Register Your Vote. ---- **Note:** Vote Count in this post will be updated real time with new data. ---- Make Your Own Poll Here **[redditpoll.com](http: redditpoll.com)**. ---- See live vote count **[here](http: redditpoll.com poll will-you-be-waiting-for-awd-on-your-model-3)** | My decision will be based on how much extra AWD will be and will waiting reduce the federal incentives. I honestly want it but if it will cost me close to 10k option price and possible reduction in federal I will probably just keep my current car and get a lower end model 3. | I didn t really consider it before but I am now. Being a non-owner in the midwest I m guessing early 2018 for me now which jives when elon said AWD would be available. | 63 | 3 | 1,199 |
6l35lq | 85 | Will you be waiting for AWD on your model 3? Will you be waiting for AWD on your model 3? ---- Just wanna see how many reservation holders are waiting. ---- |Vote Button| Poll Options|Current Vote Count| |:-----------:|:------------:|:------------| |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 2046iegQ)**|Yes I will be waiting.|**474** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 8OA7uzvN)**|No I won t.|**199** Votes ---- **Instructions:** * Click Vote to Register Your Vote. ---- **Note:** Vote Count in this post will be updated real time with new data. ---- Make Your Own Poll Here **[redditpoll.com](http: redditpoll.com)**. ---- See live vote count **[here](http: redditpoll.com poll will-you-be-waiting-for-awd-on-your-model-3)** | My decision will be based on how much extra AWD will be and will waiting reduce the federal incentives. I honestly want it but if it will cost me close to 10k option price and possible reduction in federal I will probably just keep my current car and get a lower end model 3. | Depends. If I can get it in 2017 by skipping AWD I ll take RWD. Otherwise I ll potentially wait. Getting the tax credit in 2017 is important to me if at all possible but less so for 2018. | 63 | 6 | 1,200 |
6l35lq | 85 | Will you be waiting for AWD on your model 3? Will you be waiting for AWD on your model 3? ---- Just wanna see how many reservation holders are waiting. ---- |Vote Button| Poll Options|Current Vote Count| |:-----------:|:------------:|:------------| |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 2046iegQ)**|Yes I will be waiting.|**474** Votes |**[Vote](http: redditpoll.com vote 8OA7uzvN)**|No I won t.|**199** Votes ---- **Instructions:** * Click Vote to Register Your Vote. ---- **Note:** Vote Count in this post will be updated real time with new data. ---- Make Your Own Poll Here **[redditpoll.com](http: redditpoll.com)**. ---- See live vote count **[here](http: redditpoll.com poll will-you-be-waiting-for-awd-on-your-model-3)** | * The second motor will add several thousand dollars to the purchase price * The second motor may cost you $3750 in tax credits by making you wait * A set of good winter tires will cost less than $1000 I know what I ll be doing. | I didn t really consider it before but I am now. Being a non-owner in the midwest I m guessing early 2018 for me now which jives when elon said AWD would be available. | 31 | 3 | 1,201 |
6l38f1 | 9,717 | Elon Musk on Twitter: Wanted to say thanks to all that own or ordered a Tesla. It matters to us that you took a risk on a new car company. We won t forget. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 882007043472728064 | This sounds like when I rule the solar system you will be first in line. | You re welcome Elon. :) | 1,022 | 5 | 1,202 |
6l38f1 | 9,717 | Elon Musk on Twitter: Wanted to say thanks to all that own or ordered a Tesla. It matters to us that you took a risk on a new car company. We won t forget. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 882007043472728064 | This sounds like when I rule the solar system you will be first in line. | ###& #009 ######& #009 ####& #009 Acronyms initialisms abbreviations contractions and other phrases which expand to something larger that I ve seen in this thread: |Fewer Letters|More Letters| |-------|---------|---| |[AP]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djtzm1l Last usage )|AutoPilot (semi-autonomous vehicle control)| |[AP2]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djqz88u Last usage )|AutoPilot v2 Enhanced Autopilot full autonomy (in cars built after 2016-10-19) [in development]| |[AWD]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djrki1g Last usage )|All Wheel Drive| |[CoG]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djrki1g Last usage )|Center of Gravity (see CoM)| |CoM|Center of Mass| |[EAP]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djrjccz Last usage )|Enhanced Autopilot see AP2| |[FSD]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djso04a Last usage )|Fully Self Autonomous Driving see AP2| |[HUD]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djrqxsr Last usage )|Head(s)-Up Display often implemented as a projection| |[ICE]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djrki1g Last usage )|Internal Combustion Engine or vehicle powered by same| |[P100D]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djrn981 Last usage )|100kWh battery dual motors available in Ludicrous only| |[P85D]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djrn981 Last usage )|85kWh battery dual motors performance upgrades| |[P90D]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djrn981 Last usage )|90kWh battery dual motors performance upgrades| |[TSLA]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djs7d18 Last usage )|Stock ticker for Tesla Motors| |[frunk]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djrki1g Last usage )|Portmanteau front-trunk| |[kWh]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djsaf7n Last usage )|Kilowatt-hours electrical energy unit (3.6MJ)| |[mpg]( r TeslaMotors comments 6l38f1 djs76ta Last usage )|Miles Per Gallon (Imperial mpg figures are 1.201 times higher than US)| ---------------- ^(15 acronyms in this thread )[^the ^most ^compressed ^thread ^commented ^on ^today]( r TeslaMotors comments 6kza66)^( has 11 acronyms.) ^([Thread #1740 for this sub first seen 4th Jul 2017 00:33]) [^\\[FAQ\\]](http: decronym.xyz ) [^\\[Contact\\]](https: reddit.com message compose?to=OrangeredStilton& subject=Hey +your+acronym+bot+sucks) [^\\[Source ^code\\]](https: gist.github.com Two9A 1d976f9b7441694162c8) | 1,022 | 11 | 1,203 |
6l38f1 | 9,717 | Elon Musk on Twitter: Wanted to say thanks to all that own or ordered a Tesla. It matters to us that you took a risk on a new car company. We won t forget. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 882007043472728064 | This sounds like when I rule the solar system you will be first in line. | Oddly enough the top reply to the post also owns a Tesla and is apparently [ reaction guy #4 ](http: i3.kym-cdn.com entries icons original 000 000 283 gaijin4koma2_peersblog_1200684608.jpg) | 1,022 | 11 | 1,204 |
6l60jr | 26 | Any pictures of the underside of the model 3? The reason I m wondering is because there might be additional tech underneath for the V3 charging. | #pervert | Not that I ve seen. I ve been asking for a photo of a battery sticker for forever. | 82 | 18 | 1,205 |
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