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5vvzpn | 38 | Pushing back the Model 3 final reveal could be a really good sign. Do you agree? Based on the Q4 investors call we know the part 3 of the reveal won t happen until quite close to production start. I am 20% worried as this could mean they have some wrinkles to iron out and don t want to share anything more prior to that. However 80% of me thinks it could be a very good sign. This is mostly based on an assumption that some features of the Model 3 will be better than what can currently be found on S or X. So by announcing this too early they would negatively impact Model S and X sales. Here are some ideas: 1. HUD. Elon said on the call that Model 3 will only have one screen. There have also been a lot of discussions and rumors about Model 3 s minimalist interior design. To me it s an almost 100% confirmation of the HUD because you do need at least some basic info displayed in front of your eyes (speed battery level etc.). 2. Battery pack. We know Model 3 will benefit from improved battery cell and pack produced in the Gigafactory. Lower cost better energy density will result in better relative performance. Now Elon said multiple times that Model S and X will always be the most advanced premium models that will get all the new tech first. I think it would be quite an upset for many S X owners if model 3 came out superior in some ways. More importantly announcing Model 3 with some features that are absent (or less advanced) in Model S X would hurt sales of those more expensive models. That s because people would know that those new features would very soon be added to Model S X so most of potential buyers would wait until the refreshed models are released. Also the queue for Model 3 is already very long and Tesla said they don t want to make it longer. Delaying the reveal supports the idea that Model 3 could make some potential S X buyers reconsider and wait for Model 3 instead. Given all the above I believe Tesla will implement and announce improvements to Model S X before or at the time of Model 3 final reveal. And that s why I believe the delay is good. Do you agree? | I don t think a HUD is a given. Cars have been made with a center display before. Furthermore... he commented on how the M3 (and yes I wrote that just for the bot - haha) will have only ONE screen and ONE processor to run the screen which implies that there may not be a HUD since a HUD is a screen in and of itself. I don t think there will be a HUD - but maybe I m wrong. | It would make sense to push it back somewhat for that reason but at some point the prototypes will have to hit public roadways for testing purposes and you know every Tesla geek will have their cell phones out to take pictures and video when that happens. In other words even if they push the reveal back to the start of full production I think the cat will be out of the bag before then. | 44 | 4 | 906 |
5w3opi | 148 | Tunnels could be the perfect environment for self-driving cars I was thinking how Elon s idea of a network of underground tunnels could be a great environment for autonomous Teslas and self-driving cars in general: * Constant artificial illumination (no dawn dusk light angle problem) * No rain snow dust * No pedestrians * No crossroads roundabouts traffic lights * Easy to follow roadmarkings * No incoming traffic * No crossing animals We could have cities where at the ground level only pedestrians and bikes are allowed while a fleet of self-driving cars hyperloop pods constantly runnning in a multilayered network of underground tunnels could be accessible via elevators or something like that. Wouldn t it be awesome? | So we build tunnels underground then run electric vehicles in it to transport folks around? What if we make them bus shaped so lots of people can use them at once? Congrats you just invented the subway system :-) | And just think if a fire breaks out you re in an enclosed space with air being forced through by giant air handling units and fans. Oh and no immediate means of rescue. And if someone needs to be air lifted to a hospital they first have to be taken out of a tunnel. Honestly I think this whole tunnel idea is stupid. They re extremely expensive to build and maintain they re vastly more complex than paving roads or even building bridges. Existing infrastructure is a concern when digging underneath (you can t just bore under buildings you have to do all kinds of surveys to make sure you re far enough away from pilings etc.). And what do you get out of it? A roadway you want expand without digging an additional tunnel? It s stupid. | 87 | 7 | 907 |
5w3opi | 148 | Tunnels could be the perfect environment for self-driving cars I was thinking how Elon s idea of a network of underground tunnels could be a great environment for autonomous Teslas and self-driving cars in general: * Constant artificial illumination (no dawn dusk light angle problem) * No rain snow dust * No pedestrians * No crossroads roundabouts traffic lights * Easy to follow roadmarkings * No incoming traffic * No crossing animals We could have cities where at the ground level only pedestrians and bikes are allowed while a fleet of self-driving cars hyperloop pods constantly runnning in a multilayered network of underground tunnels could be accessible via elevators or something like that. Wouldn t it be awesome? | So we build tunnels underground then run electric vehicles in it to transport folks around? What if we make them bus shaped so lots of people can use them at once? Congrats you just invented the subway system :-) | Just as importantly you can make the tunnels narrower than a human would feel comfortable driving in but which are perfect for self driving. | 87 | 16 | 908 |
5w742s | 21 | Rumor - stores to no longer carry merchandise? I went to my store here in Portland OR to try on jackets and he said they haven t gotten anything in a while with them only having size Small left. Online will still have the rest though I always try to do in person for clothing for obvious reasons. | Not a rumour. They ve been phasing out merchandise the last six months. My tin foil hat tells me they are making room for solar and power wall displays. | Showrooms in California have been out of clothing for a while now. They told me to look online. | 30 | 2 | 909 |
5wkioe | 120 | [UPDATE] Issue of unintended vehicle acceleration followed by complete stop. This is an update to my 2016 Model S P90D suddenly accelerating then brakes engaged to complete stop all on its own followed by vehicle failure. [Here s a link to the first post.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5wbnzn my_model_s_accelerated_a_bit_on_its_own_then_came ) I had my vehicle towed to a local service center early this morning as scheduled. Problem was identified as an internal failure of rear drive unit. It has been completely replaced with a new unit. Vehicle was returned to my residence and it s seemingly back to normal. [Here s a picture of invoice with itemization of repairs.](http: i.imgur.com n0E1qUM.jpg) Service advisor in charge of my repair does not know why vehicle didn t give any other warning messages other than the transmission indicators blinking red. He does not know why my vehicle suddenly accelerated. He s guessing my vehicle came to an abrupt stop because my rear drive unit failed and behaved as if accelerator wasn t applied thus regenerative brakes fully engaged until complete stop. Advisor reiterated the fact that they need to look at the rear drive unit internally to know for certain with each question I raised. It s dismaying to not receive a definitive cause of unintended acceleration and abrupt stop. Those of you with similar issues have your vehicle serviced and be wary in high speed. | I ve worked on high voltage motor controllers before and unfortunately one of the annoying things about AC motor control is that one does not simply stop a motor if it misbehaves. It s not like a gas engine where cutting off the gas results in a controlled slowdown and stop. Turning off the power supply suddenly results in an inductive back-EMF which could be very dangerous and if the windings or inverter are damaged then you have little control over what the motor is going to do for a split second until you can command the mechanical brakes to stop the car or transmission to switch to neutral. I presume what happened in your case is that the drive unit detected a malfunction (which is that unintended acceleration event) and the car reacted by disengaging the motor and not allowing you to use the car anymore. | Thanks for the update. Please let us know what the engineers say about the DU and acceleration when (or perhaps IF) you get an answer | 109 | 14 | 910 |
5wye26 | 98 | Misconceptions about Telsa (Doh typed this quickly when i was at work and did not realize i spelled tesla wrong and i can not change the title) So my wife was getting her hair done while bullshitting with the hair stylist Tesla somehow came up. His comment was that they never tell you that you have to buy a 10 000 dollar charger for your house... Where the hell do people get this info from? I figured i would start of thread where people can post misconceptions about Tesla. | My mechanic asked when our state was going to make them legal to drive on the road. My fucken mechanic!! Cars are his life. | Really though there are some crazy things people have told asked me.. | 92 | 5 | 911 |
5wye26 | 98 | Misconceptions about Telsa (Doh typed this quickly when i was at work and did not realize i spelled tesla wrong and i can not change the title) So my wife was getting her hair done while bullshitting with the hair stylist Tesla somehow came up. His comment was that they never tell you that you have to buy a 10 000 dollar charger for your house... Where the hell do people get this info from? I figured i would start of thread where people can post misconceptions about Tesla. | They are actually worse for the environment than ICE. Also battery will die in 4 years and the whole care will then need to be replaced. | Really though there are some crazy things people have told asked me.. | 51 | 5 | 912 |
5wye26 | 98 | Misconceptions about Telsa (Doh typed this quickly when i was at work and did not realize i spelled tesla wrong and i can not change the title) So my wife was getting her hair done while bullshitting with the hair stylist Tesla somehow came up. His comment was that they never tell you that you have to buy a 10 000 dollar charger for your house... Where the hell do people get this info from? I figured i would start of thread where people can post misconceptions about Tesla. | You ll die a fiery death if you get into an accident! Right. Because somehow battery safety wasn t considered until after the cars made it onto the road. | Really though there are some crazy things people have told asked me.. | 49 | 5 | 913 |
5x2vmp | 59 | In what area is Tesla far ahead of the competition? And why will Tesla stay ahead? I m a huge Tesla fan. And talking with a coworker which is very passionate about motor sports. His argument about Tesla is that electric cars are simple and if electric cars will be the big thing (which he is not convinced it will be) then the legacy car manufacturers will have no problem converting and overcome Tesla. So my question is: What tech is Tesla s biggest advantage? I think the battery pack is probably Tesla s biggest asset Build quality is not as good as others at the moment as far as I know. Autopilot is huge! But others are also working on great autopilot systems. | **Energy density** of the batteries. Tesla s had the best in the industry from day one a combination of Panasonic Sanyo s cells and JB Straubel s expertise with cell chemistry and pack design. To illustrate this the most energy-dense EV from another manufacturer is the Chevy Bolt at 138 watt-hours per kilogram. Well that s only a little higher than what Tesla achieved nearly a decade ago (124 on the Roadster) and the new 100kWh pack is around 179. This means they can make longer-ranged cars with less weight which usually results in lower costs too. *** **Low battery costs**. It s not clear exactly how much of an advantage they have at this point but historically they ve been the best in the industry here too. For example in 2008 a Roadster battery cost $643 per kilowatt-hour whereas a 2010 Leaf battery cost around $750 per kilowatt-hour. Today Tesla s costs are estimated to be 12% cheaper than the LG Chem batteries that GM uses. The key to all of this is that Tesla is bringing so much of the production chain in-house side-stepping a lot of transport and transaction fees. There s also the much-vaunted economy of scale from the Gigafactory but it looks like LG will have similar capability by the time it s finished albeit distributed around the world rather than in one building. *** **Brand**. It can t have escaped many people s attention whether they like the company or not that Tesla attracts an unusual degree of fanaticism. The debates that erupt between fans and skeptics have resulted in the company being a major talking point so gets mainstream press far more often than most other car manufacturers. Add in the Silicon Valley image Elon Musk s celebrity status the unprecedented nature of what the company s achieved and the pioneering nature of the cars themselves and the result is one of the strongest brands in the industry. It shouldn t be discounted as well that Tesla is almost unique in that it *stands* for something. It s the electric car company. This means that other manufacturers will always be at a disadvantage when building electric cars that compete with Tesla s. It s also the sort of clear ethos that s lacking in most other mainstream brands. *** **Work ethic**. If you haven t read the Elon Musk biography do it because it s an eye-opener. Tesla doesn t really operate like anyone else. A lot of the work is centralised and done in-house allowing faster processes than a global development network that needs regular co-ordination with third-party suppliers and regional teams. This organisational structure isn t *entirely* unique to Tesla but it s usually used for special projects like supercars and concepts. I also wouldn t underestimate Elon s management style in which no isn t taken for an answer unless the problem has been thoroughly researched and all possible solutions are unfeasible. When you listen to interviews with other CEOs there s often a defeatist or conservative mindset ([this recent interview](http: www.topgear.com car-news electric psas-first-fully-electric-car-will-be-ds) with the head of Citroen DS makes the point perfectly) particularly when it comes to electrification and this trickles down. Tesla has a can-do attitude which isn t just encouraged it s *enforced*. Give Elon an unresearched pessimistic answer and you won t have a job by the end of the day. *** **Infrastructure**. Nobody else has permanent stores in numerous shopping malls - that s an incredible way of boosting eyeballs on the brand. There s also maybe an argument that it s advantageous to have centralised servicing and purchasing rather than franchised dealerships. And the Superchargers obviously which again nobody else is doing. It gives them an unusual amount of control over the charging infrastructure so they can be pro-active about addressing regional shortfalls or rolling out new charging technology. *** **A head start**. Your co-worker argues that electric cars are simple but everyone who s developed these cars has spent *billions* on it and Tesla is currently the only company who makes ~$1bn gross profits on them. There s a lot to consider in terms of packaging styling whether to build the car from the ground up and a myriad of powertrain variations. Permanent-magnet motor or AC induction? If the former can you lower the amount of rare earth materials if the latter can you make it more efficient? Can you make either solution lighter? How many motors do you need - just the one or one on each axle or even one for each wheel? How much sound from the motor do you want to permeate the cabin? How much of the structural rigidity can come from the battery pack and what opportunities does that provide for lightening the rest of the structure? What sort of current can the electronics handle - will the car manage future fast-charging standards? And that s before you get to the battery pack which is a science in itself. Most manufacturers buy cells off the shelf from LG or Samsung but still need to design the pack themselves. Lithium-ion batteries have gained a reputation recently for exploding but you don t tend to hear about that in electric cars despite Teslas in particular using *thousands* of them in each vehicle. This is because car companies have spent a fortune and employed massive expertise on their cooling systems conditioning software and packaging layout. With all this stuff money is certainly a factor but so is the knowledge base. More experience developing these cars provides an advantage that can t be bought. *** As for **short-term advantages** yup Autopilot. I m not that happy about autonomous driving being so closely associated with electric cars because the former is a controversial subject but the latter is a general force for good (and a beleaguered one). That said leading the industry with that technology certainly makes for a selling point. Another thing is their traction control technology. There are other electric cars that are far more powerful than the Model S and lighter but none get anywhere near its 0-60 time. This is because the car s almost immune to wheelspin with what has to be the best stability software in the business. Plus touchscreen drag co-efficient over-the-air updates range charging time performance styling (I d actually be a big Model S fan even if it wasn t electric based purely on the looks). | The machine that builds the machine resulting in high profit margins (30ish%) and high manufacturing rates efficiency. Their battery tech too is world leading in terms of cost reliability. | 81 | 2 | 914 |
5x2vmp | 59 | In what area is Tesla far ahead of the competition? And why will Tesla stay ahead? I m a huge Tesla fan. And talking with a coworker which is very passionate about motor sports. His argument about Tesla is that electric cars are simple and if electric cars will be the big thing (which he is not convinced it will be) then the legacy car manufacturers will have no problem converting and overcome Tesla. So my question is: What tech is Tesla s biggest advantage? I think the battery pack is probably Tesla s biggest asset Build quality is not as good as others at the moment as far as I know. Autopilot is huge! But others are also working on great autopilot systems. | **Energy density** of the batteries. Tesla s had the best in the industry from day one a combination of Panasonic Sanyo s cells and JB Straubel s expertise with cell chemistry and pack design. To illustrate this the most energy-dense EV from another manufacturer is the Chevy Bolt at 138 watt-hours per kilogram. Well that s only a little higher than what Tesla achieved nearly a decade ago (124 on the Roadster) and the new 100kWh pack is around 179. This means they can make longer-ranged cars with less weight which usually results in lower costs too. *** **Low battery costs**. It s not clear exactly how much of an advantage they have at this point but historically they ve been the best in the industry here too. For example in 2008 a Roadster battery cost $643 per kilowatt-hour whereas a 2010 Leaf battery cost around $750 per kilowatt-hour. Today Tesla s costs are estimated to be 12% cheaper than the LG Chem batteries that GM uses. The key to all of this is that Tesla is bringing so much of the production chain in-house side-stepping a lot of transport and transaction fees. There s also the much-vaunted economy of scale from the Gigafactory but it looks like LG will have similar capability by the time it s finished albeit distributed around the world rather than in one building. *** **Brand**. It can t have escaped many people s attention whether they like the company or not that Tesla attracts an unusual degree of fanaticism. The debates that erupt between fans and skeptics have resulted in the company being a major talking point so gets mainstream press far more often than most other car manufacturers. Add in the Silicon Valley image Elon Musk s celebrity status the unprecedented nature of what the company s achieved and the pioneering nature of the cars themselves and the result is one of the strongest brands in the industry. It shouldn t be discounted as well that Tesla is almost unique in that it *stands* for something. It s the electric car company. This means that other manufacturers will always be at a disadvantage when building electric cars that compete with Tesla s. It s also the sort of clear ethos that s lacking in most other mainstream brands. *** **Work ethic**. If you haven t read the Elon Musk biography do it because it s an eye-opener. Tesla doesn t really operate like anyone else. A lot of the work is centralised and done in-house allowing faster processes than a global development network that needs regular co-ordination with third-party suppliers and regional teams. This organisational structure isn t *entirely* unique to Tesla but it s usually used for special projects like supercars and concepts. I also wouldn t underestimate Elon s management style in which no isn t taken for an answer unless the problem has been thoroughly researched and all possible solutions are unfeasible. When you listen to interviews with other CEOs there s often a defeatist or conservative mindset ([this recent interview](http: www.topgear.com car-news electric psas-first-fully-electric-car-will-be-ds) with the head of Citroen DS makes the point perfectly) particularly when it comes to electrification and this trickles down. Tesla has a can-do attitude which isn t just encouraged it s *enforced*. Give Elon an unresearched pessimistic answer and you won t have a job by the end of the day. *** **Infrastructure**. Nobody else has permanent stores in numerous shopping malls - that s an incredible way of boosting eyeballs on the brand. There s also maybe an argument that it s advantageous to have centralised servicing and purchasing rather than franchised dealerships. And the Superchargers obviously which again nobody else is doing. It gives them an unusual amount of control over the charging infrastructure so they can be pro-active about addressing regional shortfalls or rolling out new charging technology. *** **A head start**. Your co-worker argues that electric cars are simple but everyone who s developed these cars has spent *billions* on it and Tesla is currently the only company who makes ~$1bn gross profits on them. There s a lot to consider in terms of packaging styling whether to build the car from the ground up and a myriad of powertrain variations. Permanent-magnet motor or AC induction? If the former can you lower the amount of rare earth materials if the latter can you make it more efficient? Can you make either solution lighter? How many motors do you need - just the one or one on each axle or even one for each wheel? How much sound from the motor do you want to permeate the cabin? How much of the structural rigidity can come from the battery pack and what opportunities does that provide for lightening the rest of the structure? What sort of current can the electronics handle - will the car manage future fast-charging standards? And that s before you get to the battery pack which is a science in itself. Most manufacturers buy cells off the shelf from LG or Samsung but still need to design the pack themselves. Lithium-ion batteries have gained a reputation recently for exploding but you don t tend to hear about that in electric cars despite Teslas in particular using *thousands* of them in each vehicle. This is because car companies have spent a fortune and employed massive expertise on their cooling systems conditioning software and packaging layout. With all this stuff money is certainly a factor but so is the knowledge base. More experience developing these cars provides an advantage that can t be bought. *** As for **short-term advantages** yup Autopilot. I m not that happy about autonomous driving being so closely associated with electric cars because the former is a controversial subject but the latter is a general force for good (and a beleaguered one). That said leading the industry with that technology certainly makes for a selling point. Another thing is their traction control technology. There are other electric cars that are far more powerful than the Model S and lighter but none get anywhere near its 0-60 time. This is because the car s almost immune to wheelspin with what has to be the best stability software in the business. Plus touchscreen drag co-efficient over-the-air updates range charging time performance styling (I d actually be a big Model S fan even if it wasn t electric based purely on the looks). | Autopilot. Battery size range. Fast charging (120kW). The whole tech interior touch screen + app. The website. Direct sales. Elon musk. Acceleration. | 81 | 8 | 915 |
5x2vmp | 59 | In what area is Tesla far ahead of the competition? And why will Tesla stay ahead? I m a huge Tesla fan. And talking with a coworker which is very passionate about motor sports. His argument about Tesla is that electric cars are simple and if electric cars will be the big thing (which he is not convinced it will be) then the legacy car manufacturers will have no problem converting and overcome Tesla. So my question is: What tech is Tesla s biggest advantage? I think the battery pack is probably Tesla s biggest asset Build quality is not as good as others at the moment as far as I know. Autopilot is huge! But others are also working on great autopilot systems. | **Energy density** of the batteries. Tesla s had the best in the industry from day one a combination of Panasonic Sanyo s cells and JB Straubel s expertise with cell chemistry and pack design. To illustrate this the most energy-dense EV from another manufacturer is the Chevy Bolt at 138 watt-hours per kilogram. Well that s only a little higher than what Tesla achieved nearly a decade ago (124 on the Roadster) and the new 100kWh pack is around 179. This means they can make longer-ranged cars with less weight which usually results in lower costs too. *** **Low battery costs**. It s not clear exactly how much of an advantage they have at this point but historically they ve been the best in the industry here too. For example in 2008 a Roadster battery cost $643 per kilowatt-hour whereas a 2010 Leaf battery cost around $750 per kilowatt-hour. Today Tesla s costs are estimated to be 12% cheaper than the LG Chem batteries that GM uses. The key to all of this is that Tesla is bringing so much of the production chain in-house side-stepping a lot of transport and transaction fees. There s also the much-vaunted economy of scale from the Gigafactory but it looks like LG will have similar capability by the time it s finished albeit distributed around the world rather than in one building. *** **Brand**. It can t have escaped many people s attention whether they like the company or not that Tesla attracts an unusual degree of fanaticism. The debates that erupt between fans and skeptics have resulted in the company being a major talking point so gets mainstream press far more often than most other car manufacturers. Add in the Silicon Valley image Elon Musk s celebrity status the unprecedented nature of what the company s achieved and the pioneering nature of the cars themselves and the result is one of the strongest brands in the industry. It shouldn t be discounted as well that Tesla is almost unique in that it *stands* for something. It s the electric car company. This means that other manufacturers will always be at a disadvantage when building electric cars that compete with Tesla s. It s also the sort of clear ethos that s lacking in most other mainstream brands. *** **Work ethic**. If you haven t read the Elon Musk biography do it because it s an eye-opener. Tesla doesn t really operate like anyone else. A lot of the work is centralised and done in-house allowing faster processes than a global development network that needs regular co-ordination with third-party suppliers and regional teams. This organisational structure isn t *entirely* unique to Tesla but it s usually used for special projects like supercars and concepts. I also wouldn t underestimate Elon s management style in which no isn t taken for an answer unless the problem has been thoroughly researched and all possible solutions are unfeasible. When you listen to interviews with other CEOs there s often a defeatist or conservative mindset ([this recent interview](http: www.topgear.com car-news electric psas-first-fully-electric-car-will-be-ds) with the head of Citroen DS makes the point perfectly) particularly when it comes to electrification and this trickles down. Tesla has a can-do attitude which isn t just encouraged it s *enforced*. Give Elon an unresearched pessimistic answer and you won t have a job by the end of the day. *** **Infrastructure**. Nobody else has permanent stores in numerous shopping malls - that s an incredible way of boosting eyeballs on the brand. There s also maybe an argument that it s advantageous to have centralised servicing and purchasing rather than franchised dealerships. And the Superchargers obviously which again nobody else is doing. It gives them an unusual amount of control over the charging infrastructure so they can be pro-active about addressing regional shortfalls or rolling out new charging technology. *** **A head start**. Your co-worker argues that electric cars are simple but everyone who s developed these cars has spent *billions* on it and Tesla is currently the only company who makes ~$1bn gross profits on them. There s a lot to consider in terms of packaging styling whether to build the car from the ground up and a myriad of powertrain variations. Permanent-magnet motor or AC induction? If the former can you lower the amount of rare earth materials if the latter can you make it more efficient? Can you make either solution lighter? How many motors do you need - just the one or one on each axle or even one for each wheel? How much sound from the motor do you want to permeate the cabin? How much of the structural rigidity can come from the battery pack and what opportunities does that provide for lightening the rest of the structure? What sort of current can the electronics handle - will the car manage future fast-charging standards? And that s before you get to the battery pack which is a science in itself. Most manufacturers buy cells off the shelf from LG or Samsung but still need to design the pack themselves. Lithium-ion batteries have gained a reputation recently for exploding but you don t tend to hear about that in electric cars despite Teslas in particular using *thousands* of them in each vehicle. This is because car companies have spent a fortune and employed massive expertise on their cooling systems conditioning software and packaging layout. With all this stuff money is certainly a factor but so is the knowledge base. More experience developing these cars provides an advantage that can t be bought. *** As for **short-term advantages** yup Autopilot. I m not that happy about autonomous driving being so closely associated with electric cars because the former is a controversial subject but the latter is a general force for good (and a beleaguered one). That said leading the industry with that technology certainly makes for a selling point. Another thing is their traction control technology. There are other electric cars that are far more powerful than the Model S and lighter but none get anywhere near its 0-60 time. This is because the car s almost immune to wheelspin with what has to be the best stability software in the business. Plus touchscreen drag co-efficient over-the-air updates range charging time performance styling (I d actually be a big Model S fan even if it wasn t electric based purely on the looks). | Battery production. Which other company has a gigafactory being built? | 81 | 11 | 916 |
5x442w | 29 | What are the main differences between the Model 3 and the Model S that allows Tesla to sell at > $40 000 price decrease? I haven t really been following any specific details about either car. I don t even know if there is enough info out there on the Model 3 to answer this question. | The other thing people seem to forget everytime this comes up is not only did no one say the S was being sold as cheaply as possible Tesla has been quite open with the fact that the opposite is the case. It s a high margin car they made so they could use the profits to fund what they d need to achieve their real goal which was a car cheap enough the masses could buy an EV. (AKA The Model 3) Companies charge what the market will bear not Cost * 1.05 So though there are several reasons the 3 is actually significantly cheaper now than the S is was years ago the S is also arbitrarily highly priced on the other end of the comparison. | Honest question: Elon said model 3 will only have 1 computer vs 2 for model s x and they have already said that getting to level 5 will push the boundaries of the hardware on model s x. So how will model 3 make it there with just one computer? Am I missing something? | 31 | 4 | 917 |
5xst0e | 188 | How does Tesla Autopilot handle speedbumps? There s a number of large speedbumps on public roads in my area and human drivers know to slow right down to avoid bouncing passengers into the roof. I was wondering if Autopilot would do the same. | Autopilot will not do anything about speed bumps so far. It will take them at speed which can be fun! | Tesla s suspension is sometimes described as uncomfortably stiff. Slowing down does not necessarily smooth out a speed bump. In my experience you want avoid hitting a speed bump between 2 mph and 20 mph (5 km h and 30 km h). Note that at speed Teslas tend to do a better job of absorbing the bump. Tesla s first step will be to get Autopilot to adjust the vehicle s speed to the posted speed limit. At the moment AP just displays the speed limit and expects the driver to adjust the speed (assuming there is no traffic). Somewhere down the road (years not months) I expect Tesla will begin adding code to watch for potholes speed bumps and other road debris. | 167 | 7 | 918 |
5xst0e | 188 | How does Tesla Autopilot handle speedbumps? There s a number of large speedbumps on public roads in my area and human drivers know to slow right down to avoid bouncing passengers into the roof. I was wondering if Autopilot would do the same. | Autopilot will not do anything about speed bumps so far. It will take them at speed which can be fun! | As someone else recently said... How does cruise control react to it? For the moment that is the best way of thinking of it. | 167 | 114 | 919 |
5xwq3x | 59 | A friends Tesla died today From the way he told it he was speeding up on the German autobahn when suddenly out of nowhere a loud bang sound came from the motor and the the car just died. He was able to coast it to the side of the road but was unable to get it started again. The dash showed a car needs service notice. Do these things happen more often? He called Tesla and they told him they d bring him a loaner and pick up the stopped car right away so no complaints about their service. | > Do these things happen more often? Well that s not very typical I d like to make that point. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM | > Do these things happen more often? From the sounds of it these things happen less often. The new the car the more reliable it is. Do you happen to know more details on your friends Tesla? | 71 | 22 | 920 |
5y41mi | 140 | Tesla API has lost connection with all cars since 11:10am CST Haven t seen it posted anywhere else here but lots of reports from US UK and other locations that the mobile app and anything relying on the API is offline. This has caused at least one poor person to be locked out their car after leaving the key in it when getting out to unplug at a supercharger! No news from Tesla yet as to the cause of the outage or an ETA for bringing things back online. Tesla service themselves can t access the cars so be very careful not to lock yourself out. | It was jacked yesterday too. I lost connection to my car for a while and when it came back initially I was getting data for someone else s car (different name odo and firmware). | Not just AP1. I can t connect to my car either. AP2 Model X | 32 | 2 | 921 |
5y41mi | 140 | Tesla API has lost connection with all cars since 11:10am CST Haven t seen it posted anywhere else here but lots of reports from US UK and other locations that the mobile app and anything relying on the API is offline. This has caused at least one poor person to be locked out their car after leaving the key in it when getting out to unplug at a supercharger! No news from Tesla yet as to the cause of the outage or an ETA for bringing things back online. Tesla service themselves can t access the cars so be very careful not to lock yourself out. | It was jacked yesterday too. I lost connection to my car for a while and when it came back initially I was getting data for someone else s car (different name odo and firmware). | Summon from phone doesn t work either. | 32 | 3 | 922 |
5y41mi | 140 | Tesla API has lost connection with all cars since 11:10am CST Haven t seen it posted anywhere else here but lots of reports from US UK and other locations that the mobile app and anything relying on the API is offline. This has caused at least one poor person to be locked out their car after leaving the key in it when getting out to unplug at a supercharger! No news from Tesla yet as to the cause of the outage or an ETA for bringing things back online. Tesla service themselves can t access the cars so be very careful not to lock yourself out. | It was jacked yesterday too. I lost connection to my car for a while and when it came back initially I was getting data for someone else s car (different name odo and firmware). | Died at 10:48AM CST for me. | 32 | 3 | 923 |
5yn171 | 193 | Jon McNeil from Tesla responds to repair issues Full text here https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 2004525 Good to see some action on this. However will wait to see some real improvement. | > We are applying brute force to this immediately. We will have individuals on our team personally manage each car on behalf of our customers that are in 3rd party body shops. > We re also going to increase our approved shop count by 300 over the next few weeks as well as eliminating poor performing shops. > If you have an issue with a shop please PM me directly and our team will advocate and manage your repair. > Tesla owners will get the service they expect from us – period. > Thanks to the entire service team for their commitment to setting the highest standard for service in the industry. > Jon I ve had a man crush on Jon McNeil since meeting him at the Gigafactory opening. He s such a nice guy and genuinely cares about all complaints. He doesn t put up with bullshit. I was just about to praise him for bringing back the 14-30 adapter at owner s requests... but I see it is missing on the Tesla shop right now :- **edit** holy shit 1 hour after I make this comment the 14-30 is re-listed on the Tesla site... Let s see if this improvement actually happens... | That was fast. They listened. 300 more shops at minimum. Sounds like it s been in the works awhile if to be believed. | 119 | 36 | 924 |
5ytakm | 39 | Quick - Name my Tesla (picking up in one hour) It s black paint black interior. I have a list of 10 possibilities. Want to see what reddit comes up with. | Blacky McBlackypants | Sparky. | 154 | 2 | 925 |
5ytakm | 39 | Quick - Name my Tesla (picking up in one hour) It s black paint black interior. I have a list of 10 possibilities. Want to see what reddit comes up with. | Blacky McBlackypants | Atlas Atles (tesla letters) Night Rider Are you downvoting ones you don t like? ... lol | 154 | 4 | 926 |
5ytakm | 39 | Quick - Name my Tesla (picking up in one hour) It s black paint black interior. I have a list of 10 possibilities. Want to see what reddit comes up with. | Blacky McBlackypants | Model S BTW | 154 | 6 | 927 |
5yxs99 | 130 | My first time in a Tesla Model S Yesterday I was walking down the street with my sister on the main road of Bendigo Australia. Pretty much right in the middle of town. I unconsciously scan the road for Tesla Model S s. Over the last 3 months I ve been fortunate enough to spot a Tesla per month which is incredibly surprising for a town of roughly 150 000 people. However we aren t far from Melbourne and they re quite popular there. Often when I spot these cars I get a surge of adrenaline and a big heart-rate increase. I frantically point it out to whoever I m with. Unfortunately they re usually on their way somewhere and I don t get a good look. On this particular day I was walking right around the corner from the destination charger in town (I ve not seen a single Tesla there). I saw a fraction of a car s headlight and instantly recognised it as a Tesla and ran to get a closer look. As it drove closer I recognised it as a Tesla Model S with the new facelift design which I ve never seen before. I was very very happy and I was with my sister who had never seen a Tesla but was always happy listening to me talk about them for hours on end. She instantly picked up on how quiet it was compared to the other cars. We continued walking while I m still riding the high that I get from seeing a Tesla. We made our way to a take-away place to meet my mother and older sister where I proceeded to tell the tale of the Tesla and change my phone wallpaper to a Telsa Logo Wallpaper (which looks awesome). While on the way out of the take-away I was in awe with the realisation that a Tesla Model S had just pulled up to a parking space across the road right in front of a furniture shop. I saw the driver and his female companion get out of the car and walk into the shop. I raced over there with my sister immediately still very much questioning what I had done to deserve to see 2 Telsa Model S s in one day. I walked into the shop and introduced myself to the owner. Great guy honestly. We had a long conversation about his particular car (P85DL + AP1). We talked about the showroom in Melbourne that I ve yet to visit. We talked about his opinion of the car and he couldn t say a bad word. He looked like he greatly loved his car. Out of nowhere he invited me outside to see the car. I watched those magnificent door handles extend out. He opened the door and invited me to sit in the passenger seat. I felt brilliant being inside such a fantastic vehicle. It was quiet and futuristic the AC instantly kicked on along with the tablet display (34 degrees Celsius outside 16 degrees inside). Then all of a sudden my sister waved to me from outside the car and I saw the owner jump into the drivers seat and he asked me if I would like to go around the corner with him for a ride. How could I be so lucky? I said I would love to. We pulled around the corner while I played with the display. He said I could do whatever I wanted with it. Then he floored it. I was yanked back in my seat. No launch control or ludicrous mode active. I had never felt anything like it and all the YouTube videos on the take-off didn t prepare me one bit. I repeatedly unexpectedly called out Oh my God! Oh my God! Every now and then I ll think about that take-off and get a brief glimpse of the feeling and my heart-rate rises again. I would love to do that again. Once we got onto the next main road over he showed me how he knows if Autopilot is able to be turned on. He reset the speed limit and placed it on Autopilot. The thing that I immediately mentioned to him was just how far away the radar can read other cars on the road. The car was almost the entire road length away from us and the radar had it on the screen still. Amazing. I have been in an active self-driving vehicle. We turned the final corner and we parked back in the same spot. I thanked him over and over again for the opportunity repeated our names to each other shook hands and I let him get back to his companion in the shop. The first thing I said to my sister was Oh MY GOD . I was in utter shock and my hands shook for hours. All I can say is: John if you happen to stumble across this thank you very much for taking me out for a ride. You made my year. Tesla Owners are great people online and in-person. Edit: P85DL not 90. | Fifty Shades of $TSLA. | I just moved to Silicon Valley and its so weird here how many Teslas there are. There s one in my apartment building there s one at my workplace I see several on the drive to work every day. Just driving down the road and you ll see them parked on the side of the road. Go to any shopping mall and you ll see them all over parked around. | 34 | 4 | 928 |
5yxs99 | 130 | My first time in a Tesla Model S Yesterday I was walking down the street with my sister on the main road of Bendigo Australia. Pretty much right in the middle of town. I unconsciously scan the road for Tesla Model S s. Over the last 3 months I ve been fortunate enough to spot a Tesla per month which is incredibly surprising for a town of roughly 150 000 people. However we aren t far from Melbourne and they re quite popular there. Often when I spot these cars I get a surge of adrenaline and a big heart-rate increase. I frantically point it out to whoever I m with. Unfortunately they re usually on their way somewhere and I don t get a good look. On this particular day I was walking right around the corner from the destination charger in town (I ve not seen a single Tesla there). I saw a fraction of a car s headlight and instantly recognised it as a Tesla and ran to get a closer look. As it drove closer I recognised it as a Tesla Model S with the new facelift design which I ve never seen before. I was very very happy and I was with my sister who had never seen a Tesla but was always happy listening to me talk about them for hours on end. She instantly picked up on how quiet it was compared to the other cars. We continued walking while I m still riding the high that I get from seeing a Tesla. We made our way to a take-away place to meet my mother and older sister where I proceeded to tell the tale of the Tesla and change my phone wallpaper to a Telsa Logo Wallpaper (which looks awesome). While on the way out of the take-away I was in awe with the realisation that a Tesla Model S had just pulled up to a parking space across the road right in front of a furniture shop. I saw the driver and his female companion get out of the car and walk into the shop. I raced over there with my sister immediately still very much questioning what I had done to deserve to see 2 Telsa Model S s in one day. I walked into the shop and introduced myself to the owner. Great guy honestly. We had a long conversation about his particular car (P85DL + AP1). We talked about the showroom in Melbourne that I ve yet to visit. We talked about his opinion of the car and he couldn t say a bad word. He looked like he greatly loved his car. Out of nowhere he invited me outside to see the car. I watched those magnificent door handles extend out. He opened the door and invited me to sit in the passenger seat. I felt brilliant being inside such a fantastic vehicle. It was quiet and futuristic the AC instantly kicked on along with the tablet display (34 degrees Celsius outside 16 degrees inside). Then all of a sudden my sister waved to me from outside the car and I saw the owner jump into the drivers seat and he asked me if I would like to go around the corner with him for a ride. How could I be so lucky? I said I would love to. We pulled around the corner while I played with the display. He said I could do whatever I wanted with it. Then he floored it. I was yanked back in my seat. No launch control or ludicrous mode active. I had never felt anything like it and all the YouTube videos on the take-off didn t prepare me one bit. I repeatedly unexpectedly called out Oh my God! Oh my God! Every now and then I ll think about that take-off and get a brief glimpse of the feeling and my heart-rate rises again. I would love to do that again. Once we got onto the next main road over he showed me how he knows if Autopilot is able to be turned on. He reset the speed limit and placed it on Autopilot. The thing that I immediately mentioned to him was just how far away the radar can read other cars on the road. The car was almost the entire road length away from us and the radar had it on the screen still. Amazing. I have been in an active self-driving vehicle. We turned the final corner and we parked back in the same spot. I thanked him over and over again for the opportunity repeated our names to each other shook hands and I let him get back to his companion in the shop. The first thing I said to my sister was Oh MY GOD . I was in utter shock and my hands shook for hours. All I can say is: John if you happen to stumble across this thank you very much for taking me out for a ride. You made my year. Tesla Owners are great people online and in-person. Edit: P85DL not 90. | Fifty Shades of $TSLA. | excellent story we both sound equally passionate about Tesla! | 34 | 5 | 929 |
5yzwhl | 119 | Model X left rear quarter panel damage totals car A bit of a continuation from the info I had posted a bit in this https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5rc2hq model_x_quarter_panel_repair submission but now different enough to maybe deserve its own thread: Five months ago my parked Model X 75 was hit by a 90 year-old lady driving a Grand Marquis (zero emissions vs maximum emissions smackdown). The left rear quarter panel was destroyed the left rear wheel was tweaked about 10 degrees out of true the tire was popped -- all in all a hefty collision albeit limited to the left rear quarter panel. The passenger door and rear hatch were okay. The car would turn on but could not go into towing mode (lots of clunks from the transmission and then warning beeps) so watching the tow-truck driver drag it onto the flatbed looked absolutely barbaric. Here are a couple pictures of the damage: http: imgur.com a uezTb http: imgur.com a PLz7g Gruesome to be sure but looks fixable with some good welding and new electronics... Five months into this fiasco the auto shop has determined with much help from Tesla that the car is fried and they cannot restore power. The case had been seen by several local Tesla Rangers over the months and eventually escalated to a team that came down from Fremont -- even they cannot get power to the car. The body shop is about 1 4 mile from a large Tesla Service Center so it was easy for them to pop over repeatedly. From what I understand from the body shop and Tesla the Model X Achilles heel is the charge port right there in the middle of the left rear quarter panel. Some horrible thing happened that won t allow the charge port to just be swapped out despite them dropping the battery and ripping out the frunk to get to the electronics. http: imgur.com a 65BA6 And thus my four month old car is now declared a total loss. I m currently in limbo waiting for my insurance company to tell me how much a pristine four month old Model X 75D with ~ 1200 miles on it is worth. I m worried their number isn t going to be close enough to mine. So now - where do I go from here? I *loved* that car. I had treated myself to my first new car ever and it was the greatest thing I d ever bought myself. The entire family loved it and I had been so happy with my choice. But now I m wondering - do I put myself through this again? Is the car as well-designed as I thought it was? The left rear quarter panel is hardly the place where you d want to put a car s kill switch. On the brighter side I could now upgrade to AP 2.0 hardware. I left the body shop after cleaning out my car and headed straight to the Tesla shop to configure a new red MX 75D. Can t pull the trigger until I hear from the insurance company. I am a true Tesla fan. (Former) Tesla owner TSLA stockholder SCTY -> TSLA stockholder and evangelist in every way. Elon is my hero. And yet I feel a little betrayed by the design that this seemingly small injury to my baby could destroy it outright. Curious if anything similar has happened to others. | Just a quick question about insurance. Why is it *your* insurance covering the loss? Shouldn t it be the insurance of the lady that hit you? Or was it a hit and run? | Thanks for sharing this should not be happening. Minor damage should not total a car and it should not take 5 months to make a determination. I m a huge Tesla fan and on the list for a model 3 these types of insurance write-offs will drive up insurance rates for all teslas owners... Tesla needs to concentrate efforts on fixing their repair supply chain capabilities instead of building more superchargers. | 54 | 2 | 930 |
5yzwhl | 119 | Model X left rear quarter panel damage totals car A bit of a continuation from the info I had posted a bit in this https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5rc2hq model_x_quarter_panel_repair submission but now different enough to maybe deserve its own thread: Five months ago my parked Model X 75 was hit by a 90 year-old lady driving a Grand Marquis (zero emissions vs maximum emissions smackdown). The left rear quarter panel was destroyed the left rear wheel was tweaked about 10 degrees out of true the tire was popped -- all in all a hefty collision albeit limited to the left rear quarter panel. The passenger door and rear hatch were okay. The car would turn on but could not go into towing mode (lots of clunks from the transmission and then warning beeps) so watching the tow-truck driver drag it onto the flatbed looked absolutely barbaric. Here are a couple pictures of the damage: http: imgur.com a uezTb http: imgur.com a PLz7g Gruesome to be sure but looks fixable with some good welding and new electronics... Five months into this fiasco the auto shop has determined with much help from Tesla that the car is fried and they cannot restore power. The case had been seen by several local Tesla Rangers over the months and eventually escalated to a team that came down from Fremont -- even they cannot get power to the car. The body shop is about 1 4 mile from a large Tesla Service Center so it was easy for them to pop over repeatedly. From what I understand from the body shop and Tesla the Model X Achilles heel is the charge port right there in the middle of the left rear quarter panel. Some horrible thing happened that won t allow the charge port to just be swapped out despite them dropping the battery and ripping out the frunk to get to the electronics. http: imgur.com a 65BA6 And thus my four month old car is now declared a total loss. I m currently in limbo waiting for my insurance company to tell me how much a pristine four month old Model X 75D with ~ 1200 miles on it is worth. I m worried their number isn t going to be close enough to mine. So now - where do I go from here? I *loved* that car. I had treated myself to my first new car ever and it was the greatest thing I d ever bought myself. The entire family loved it and I had been so happy with my choice. But now I m wondering - do I put myself through this again? Is the car as well-designed as I thought it was? The left rear quarter panel is hardly the place where you d want to put a car s kill switch. On the brighter side I could now upgrade to AP 2.0 hardware. I left the body shop after cleaning out my car and headed straight to the Tesla shop to configure a new red MX 75D. Can t pull the trigger until I hear from the insurance company. I am a true Tesla fan. (Former) Tesla owner TSLA stockholder SCTY -> TSLA stockholder and evangelist in every way. Elon is my hero. And yet I feel a little betrayed by the design that this seemingly small injury to my baby could destroy it outright. Curious if anything similar has happened to others. | Just a quick question about insurance. Why is it *your* insurance covering the loss? Shouldn t it be the insurance of the lady that hit you? Or was it a hit and run? | > And yet I feel a little betrayed by the design that this seemingly small injury to my baby could destroy it outright. You re lucky that the frame was intact enough that you even had a chance to save it. Life isn t ending get over it and get another one... | 54 | 4 | 931 |
5yzwhl | 119 | Model X left rear quarter panel damage totals car A bit of a continuation from the info I had posted a bit in this https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5rc2hq model_x_quarter_panel_repair submission but now different enough to maybe deserve its own thread: Five months ago my parked Model X 75 was hit by a 90 year-old lady driving a Grand Marquis (zero emissions vs maximum emissions smackdown). The left rear quarter panel was destroyed the left rear wheel was tweaked about 10 degrees out of true the tire was popped -- all in all a hefty collision albeit limited to the left rear quarter panel. The passenger door and rear hatch were okay. The car would turn on but could not go into towing mode (lots of clunks from the transmission and then warning beeps) so watching the tow-truck driver drag it onto the flatbed looked absolutely barbaric. Here are a couple pictures of the damage: http: imgur.com a uezTb http: imgur.com a PLz7g Gruesome to be sure but looks fixable with some good welding and new electronics... Five months into this fiasco the auto shop has determined with much help from Tesla that the car is fried and they cannot restore power. The case had been seen by several local Tesla Rangers over the months and eventually escalated to a team that came down from Fremont -- even they cannot get power to the car. The body shop is about 1 4 mile from a large Tesla Service Center so it was easy for them to pop over repeatedly. From what I understand from the body shop and Tesla the Model X Achilles heel is the charge port right there in the middle of the left rear quarter panel. Some horrible thing happened that won t allow the charge port to just be swapped out despite them dropping the battery and ripping out the frunk to get to the electronics. http: imgur.com a 65BA6 And thus my four month old car is now declared a total loss. I m currently in limbo waiting for my insurance company to tell me how much a pristine four month old Model X 75D with ~ 1200 miles on it is worth. I m worried their number isn t going to be close enough to mine. So now - where do I go from here? I *loved* that car. I had treated myself to my first new car ever and it was the greatest thing I d ever bought myself. The entire family loved it and I had been so happy with my choice. But now I m wondering - do I put myself through this again? Is the car as well-designed as I thought it was? The left rear quarter panel is hardly the place where you d want to put a car s kill switch. On the brighter side I could now upgrade to AP 2.0 hardware. I left the body shop after cleaning out my car and headed straight to the Tesla shop to configure a new red MX 75D. Can t pull the trigger until I hear from the insurance company. I am a true Tesla fan. (Former) Tesla owner TSLA stockholder SCTY -> TSLA stockholder and evangelist in every way. Elon is my hero. And yet I feel a little betrayed by the design that this seemingly small injury to my baby could destroy it outright. Curious if anything similar has happened to others. | Just a quick question about insurance. Why is it *your* insurance covering the loss? Shouldn t it be the insurance of the lady that hit you? Or was it a hit and run? | If you bought did you finance through Alliant? My loan from them came with GAP insurance for free. | 54 | 8 | 932 |
5z56y1 | 52 | Does anyone use Summon? I can t decide what a practical application for this would be. Even if I was parking in a super tight space I wouldn t be comfortable using my phone to guide the car inches away from an obstacle. Am I thinking about this wrong? | I use it all the time. Going to load the whole family in the car? I had summon back it out of the garage so everyone can get in without feeling cramped of having to be mindful of the doors. I use it that way about once a week. I only use it in public parking lots when I m in a tight space and I m parked next to monster SUVs. Again so I don t have to worry about door dinging the cars next to me. Just summon it out hop in and drive away. There s no guiding the car with your phone. It handles all the proximity using the onboard sensors so it doesn t hit anything. Just tap and it handles it. | > Even if I was parking in a super tight space I wouldn t be comfortable using my phone to guide the car inches away from an obstacle. I m sure that part works fine. What bothers me when they show this in a parking lot in a super tight space: how would *the other drivers* get in out without dinging *my* car? Summon is usually shown to be useful when parking near a rain puddle so you don t have to get your feet wet (how often does that actually happen?) a garage where it doesn t add much value (for me) or a tight parking spot between to cars where either car is very likely to be blocked getting into out of entirely or at least very likely to cause dings in your own doors when people try to get out in. | 61 | 3 | 933 |
5z56y1 | 52 | Does anyone use Summon? I can t decide what a practical application for this would be. Even if I was parking in a super tight space I wouldn t be comfortable using my phone to guide the car inches away from an obstacle. Am I thinking about this wrong? | Here s my fav use. A crappy parking spot flooded out. A few times there was no parking spots left but one but it was going to guarantee me wet shoes. I lined up the spot hopped out and backed her right in. Did the reverse on the way out. Worked awesome. | I use it all the time to pull in and out of my garage. It is fairly tight fit because the car is so wide. I ve also used it when I have three passengers so it is easier for everyone to get in the car. Also it might be helpful with elderly people who need extra space to open the door and climb in and out. | 40 | 2 | 934 |
5z56y1 | 52 | Does anyone use Summon? I can t decide what a practical application for this would be. Even if I was parking in a super tight space I wouldn t be comfortable using my phone to guide the car inches away from an obstacle. Am I thinking about this wrong? | Here s my fav use. A crappy parking spot flooded out. A few times there was no parking spots left but one but it was going to guarantee me wet shoes. I lined up the spot hopped out and backed her right in. Did the reverse on the way out. Worked awesome. | > Even if I was parking in a super tight space I wouldn t be comfortable using my phone to guide the car inches away from an obstacle. I m sure that part works fine. What bothers me when they show this in a parking lot in a super tight space: how would *the other drivers* get in out without dinging *my* car? Summon is usually shown to be useful when parking near a rain puddle so you don t have to get your feet wet (how often does that actually happen?) a garage where it doesn t add much value (for me) or a tight parking spot between to cars where either car is very likely to be blocked getting into out of entirely or at least very likely to cause dings in your own doors when people try to get out in. | 40 | 3 | 935 |
5zd2jz | 387 | Mkbhd wants to interview Tesla CEO Elon Musk Mkbhd is one of my favorite tech youtubers and Elon Musk is well regarded in our community. How can we make this happen? A guy that is big time into tech asking questions to the guy that knows practically all the answers. We could even submit questions in hopes Mkbhd could relay them. | MKBHD is slowly becoming the go to for Electric Cars and autonomous driving news and interviews etc. He has been in the Faraday Future Lucid air owns Model S drove the Mercedes self driving car. | I m not very familiar with him. What s his fanbase like? Are there any potential customers among his subscribers? Why should Elon spend his time with someone who s lets be frank a random YouTube dude where he could be on mainstream TV promoting Tesla to everyone. Has Elon been interviewed by any other YouTubers before? EDIT: Some very good arguments indeed. Sounds like a good idea. The question is just whether Elon will be willing to. | 56 | 4 | 936 |
5zd2jz | 387 | Mkbhd wants to interview Tesla CEO Elon Musk Mkbhd is one of my favorite tech youtubers and Elon Musk is well regarded in our community. How can we make this happen? A guy that is big time into tech asking questions to the guy that knows practically all the answers. We could even submit questions in hopes Mkbhd could relay them. | MKBHD is slowly becoming the go to for Electric Cars and autonomous driving news and interviews etc. He has been in the Faraday Future Lucid air owns Model S drove the Mercedes self driving car. | Side note too having JB there might be good too. Him being the Chief technology officer and all. Would be a great interview to watch. | 56 | 15 | 937 |
5zd2jz | 387 | Mkbhd wants to interview Tesla CEO Elon Musk Mkbhd is one of my favorite tech youtubers and Elon Musk is well regarded in our community. How can we make this happen? A guy that is big time into tech asking questions to the guy that knows practically all the answers. We could even submit questions in hopes Mkbhd could relay them. | MKBHD is slowly becoming the go to for Electric Cars and autonomous driving news and interviews etc. He has been in the Faraday Future Lucid air owns Model S drove the Mercedes self driving car. | +1 for this. Marques has met with Craig Federighi at Apple and is being recognized a lot more by high level execs. That would be a great interview! | 56 | 26 | 938 |
5zqr8s | 70 | 3 is a great car but definitely Model S When someone asked on Twitter: model S 75D or mid-top range model 3? Help a brother make up his mind . Elon s answer was 3 is a great car but definitely Model S . | Did we expect him to say No don t spend money with us right now. Instead wait until late-2018 to buy your Tesla ? | Source? | 101 | 3 | 939 |
5zqr8s | 70 | 3 is a great car but definitely Model S When someone asked on Twitter: model S 75D or mid-top range model 3? Help a brother make up his mind . Elon s answer was 3 is a great car but definitely Model S . | Did we expect him to say No don t spend money with us right now. Instead wait until late-2018 to buy your Tesla ? | As it should. A S75D would still be $30k more expensive than a mid range Model 3. | 101 | 5 | 940 |
5zqr8s | 70 | 3 is a great car but definitely Model S When someone asked on Twitter: model S 75D or mid-top range model 3? Help a brother make up his mind . Elon s answer was 3 is a great car but definitely Model S . | Did we expect him to say No don t spend money with us right now. Instead wait until late-2018 to buy your Tesla ? | This accomplishes two things - they get a sale now (at higher cost) and keeps one premium over the other. Basically no surprises here. | 101 | 8 | 941 |
5zvl96 | 359 | 4-Year Model S Service History and Battery Loss My Four Year Service History Picked up Model S P85 from the factory 3 11 13 VIN P6xxx 51 645 miles 2013 - HPWC in my garage failed ranger came and the replaced HPWC fuses - Pano roof chewed up its rails and wouldn t open Service replaced Pano roof 2014 - Car destroyed a set of tires after 12 000 miles service installed Front Lower Control Arm Washers and performed wheel alignment – service claimed this was normal wear - I bought new tires - Water was collecting in the tail light service replaced tail light assembly - Charge port ring showing multi colors service replaced charge port (it s doing it again but I now like the colors) Service proactively replaced the 12 volt battery - 9 months later I got another “12V Battery Needs Service Alert” service replaced the 12V Battery again - Right rear door handle wouldn t open service replaced the door handle 2015 - Left rear door handle opened randomly service replaced all door handles with Gen 2 handles service noticed intelligent battery sensor was corroded – they replaced it - I got the drivetrain squeal service replaced the drive train service upgraded the Side Motor Mount
service replaced rear upper control arms with an updated revision - Tire Pressure Monitoring Sensor alert was on all the time Replaced two wheel sensors and added external antenna 2016 - Drivers window fell down and wouldn t close service repaired the window vanity mirror cover broke off drivers side service replaced when I brought it in for a 2017 repair 2017 - Came back from a 3-week vacation (with car plugged in and charging) to find a “12V Battery needs Service” warning service replaced the battery but also found I needed new tires (my 2nd set) When they tried to align the wheels they found that the areas for both camber control arm adjustments cams are grooved in to the subframe. They replaced the front subframe assembly. - Got the car back from service and it made a creaking sound coming from the left front. Brought it back in and they found that the left side bracket to front sway bar was loose. They tightened the bolt and torqued all the other suspension bolts Total 4-year maintenance cost - two sets of tires. Range anxiety For the first few months I had my car I was consumed by range anxiety. What happens if I run out of electricity? There were few chargers around. After about 6 months my fears gradually diminished and today except for the occasional 400-mile trip I don t even think about range. Here s why: - I learned how far my normal trips would take and how much actual range my P85 had (~180 miles at 90% charge.) - I installed HPWC s at my home and work (55 miles apart) - I charge every night so it s like having a gas station in my house - There were 7 superchargers in the entire world when I got my car. Today California alone has ~50. - I bought a CHAdeMO adapter as a security blanket (I ve never used it.) - I signed up for all the 3rd party charging services as another security blanket Blink NRG SemaConnect EvGo and Chargepoint. I think I ve used Blink and Chargepoint ten times. I ve done several Silicon Valley to San Diego trips (~500 miles) without worrying. Battery degradation worries Initially I was worried about battery degradation over the lifetime of my car. In 2013 there was no real data. So how much range would I have left as the car got older? The good news my initial range at 100% charge was 265 miles. Today after four years and 51 000 miles amazingly it s 260 miles. That s about a 2% loss. (I keep the car charged at 90% and have range charged less than 20 times. My bet some of the that is due to a change in the algorithm in calculating max range. Energy Consumption Over four years my energy consumption has decreased from ~340wh mile to ~325 wh mile | Really hope they reduce the number of issues before I buy my Model 3. This sounds like a lot of problems. My current car is a Suzuki also bought in 2013 (over 185000km on the odo). I have not had one single part fail except my rear wiper motor which I broke because of a bike rack on my rear window. I kinda abuse my car and it is still good as new. | Much higher number of problems that I d have guessed. Fortunately my Model S hasn t had that many problems and none as serious as some of these sound. I m curious about what the costs on each of those service items would ve been if they hadn t been still under warranty but I m guessing there s no way for you to know. Did you buy the extended warranty? | 54 | 2 | 942 |
5zvl96 | 359 | 4-Year Model S Service History and Battery Loss My Four Year Service History Picked up Model S P85 from the factory 3 11 13 VIN P6xxx 51 645 miles 2013 - HPWC in my garage failed ranger came and the replaced HPWC fuses - Pano roof chewed up its rails and wouldn t open Service replaced Pano roof 2014 - Car destroyed a set of tires after 12 000 miles service installed Front Lower Control Arm Washers and performed wheel alignment – service claimed this was normal wear - I bought new tires - Water was collecting in the tail light service replaced tail light assembly - Charge port ring showing multi colors service replaced charge port (it s doing it again but I now like the colors) Service proactively replaced the 12 volt battery - 9 months later I got another “12V Battery Needs Service Alert” service replaced the 12V Battery again - Right rear door handle wouldn t open service replaced the door handle 2015 - Left rear door handle opened randomly service replaced all door handles with Gen 2 handles service noticed intelligent battery sensor was corroded – they replaced it - I got the drivetrain squeal service replaced the drive train service upgraded the Side Motor Mount
service replaced rear upper control arms with an updated revision - Tire Pressure Monitoring Sensor alert was on all the time Replaced two wheel sensors and added external antenna 2016 - Drivers window fell down and wouldn t close service repaired the window vanity mirror cover broke off drivers side service replaced when I brought it in for a 2017 repair 2017 - Came back from a 3-week vacation (with car plugged in and charging) to find a “12V Battery needs Service” warning service replaced the battery but also found I needed new tires (my 2nd set) When they tried to align the wheels they found that the areas for both camber control arm adjustments cams are grooved in to the subframe. They replaced the front subframe assembly. - Got the car back from service and it made a creaking sound coming from the left front. Brought it back in and they found that the left side bracket to front sway bar was loose. They tightened the bolt and torqued all the other suspension bolts Total 4-year maintenance cost - two sets of tires. Range anxiety For the first few months I had my car I was consumed by range anxiety. What happens if I run out of electricity? There were few chargers around. After about 6 months my fears gradually diminished and today except for the occasional 400-mile trip I don t even think about range. Here s why: - I learned how far my normal trips would take and how much actual range my P85 had (~180 miles at 90% charge.) - I installed HPWC s at my home and work (55 miles apart) - I charge every night so it s like having a gas station in my house - There were 7 superchargers in the entire world when I got my car. Today California alone has ~50. - I bought a CHAdeMO adapter as a security blanket (I ve never used it.) - I signed up for all the 3rd party charging services as another security blanket Blink NRG SemaConnect EvGo and Chargepoint. I think I ve used Blink and Chargepoint ten times. I ve done several Silicon Valley to San Diego trips (~500 miles) without worrying. Battery degradation worries Initially I was worried about battery degradation over the lifetime of my car. In 2013 there was no real data. So how much range would I have left as the car got older? The good news my initial range at 100% charge was 265 miles. Today after four years and 51 000 miles amazingly it s 260 miles. That s about a 2% loss. (I keep the car charged at 90% and have range charged less than 20 times. My bet some of the that is due to a change in the algorithm in calculating max range. Energy Consumption Over four years my energy consumption has decreased from ~340wh mile to ~325 wh mile | Really hope they reduce the number of issues before I buy my Model 3. This sounds like a lot of problems. My current car is a Suzuki also bought in 2013 (over 185000km on the odo). I have not had one single part fail except my rear wiper motor which I broke because of a bike rack on my rear window. I kinda abuse my car and it is still good as new. | What was the total time the car was away for service? | 54 | 4 | 943 |
5zvl96 | 359 | 4-Year Model S Service History and Battery Loss My Four Year Service History Picked up Model S P85 from the factory 3 11 13 VIN P6xxx 51 645 miles 2013 - HPWC in my garage failed ranger came and the replaced HPWC fuses - Pano roof chewed up its rails and wouldn t open Service replaced Pano roof 2014 - Car destroyed a set of tires after 12 000 miles service installed Front Lower Control Arm Washers and performed wheel alignment – service claimed this was normal wear - I bought new tires - Water was collecting in the tail light service replaced tail light assembly - Charge port ring showing multi colors service replaced charge port (it s doing it again but I now like the colors) Service proactively replaced the 12 volt battery - 9 months later I got another “12V Battery Needs Service Alert” service replaced the 12V Battery again - Right rear door handle wouldn t open service replaced the door handle 2015 - Left rear door handle opened randomly service replaced all door handles with Gen 2 handles service noticed intelligent battery sensor was corroded – they replaced it - I got the drivetrain squeal service replaced the drive train service upgraded the Side Motor Mount
service replaced rear upper control arms with an updated revision - Tire Pressure Monitoring Sensor alert was on all the time Replaced two wheel sensors and added external antenna 2016 - Drivers window fell down and wouldn t close service repaired the window vanity mirror cover broke off drivers side service replaced when I brought it in for a 2017 repair 2017 - Came back from a 3-week vacation (with car plugged in and charging) to find a “12V Battery needs Service” warning service replaced the battery but also found I needed new tires (my 2nd set) When they tried to align the wheels they found that the areas for both camber control arm adjustments cams are grooved in to the subframe. They replaced the front subframe assembly. - Got the car back from service and it made a creaking sound coming from the left front. Brought it back in and they found that the left side bracket to front sway bar was loose. They tightened the bolt and torqued all the other suspension bolts Total 4-year maintenance cost - two sets of tires. Range anxiety For the first few months I had my car I was consumed by range anxiety. What happens if I run out of electricity? There were few chargers around. After about 6 months my fears gradually diminished and today except for the occasional 400-mile trip I don t even think about range. Here s why: - I learned how far my normal trips would take and how much actual range my P85 had (~180 miles at 90% charge.) - I installed HPWC s at my home and work (55 miles apart) - I charge every night so it s like having a gas station in my house - There were 7 superchargers in the entire world when I got my car. Today California alone has ~50. - I bought a CHAdeMO adapter as a security blanket (I ve never used it.) - I signed up for all the 3rd party charging services as another security blanket Blink NRG SemaConnect EvGo and Chargepoint. I think I ve used Blink and Chargepoint ten times. I ve done several Silicon Valley to San Diego trips (~500 miles) without worrying. Battery degradation worries Initially I was worried about battery degradation over the lifetime of my car. In 2013 there was no real data. So how much range would I have left as the car got older? The good news my initial range at 100% charge was 265 miles. Today after four years and 51 000 miles amazingly it s 260 miles. That s about a 2% loss. (I keep the car charged at 90% and have range charged less than 20 times. My bet some of the that is due to a change in the algorithm in calculating max range. Energy Consumption Over four years my energy consumption has decreased from ~340wh mile to ~325 wh mile | Really hope they reduce the number of issues before I buy my Model 3. This sounds like a lot of problems. My current car is a Suzuki also bought in 2013 (over 185000km on the odo). I have not had one single part fail except my rear wiper motor which I broke because of a bike rack on my rear window. I kinda abuse my car and it is still good as new. | Thank you for sharing! I have a June 2013 P85+ and my max battery level is 246. You re doing great! | 54 | 6 | 944 |
5zykzm | 65 | Master charger failure in Model S after 4yrs 129k miles A couple of days ago I woke up to the red ring of death at the charging port of my (up till now) dependable Model S. I initially suspected the NEMA 14-50 outlet or the breaker box. But I plugged into a 110V outlet with the same result. I took my UMC cable to Tesla with my car and they told me that the UMC cable was bad and sold me a new one. Took the new one home plugged it in and same thing...red ring of death. Now the techs pulled the logs from the car and they are telling me that the main charger has charged its last kW. I m now dependent on Supercharging until I get an appointment and get this problem fixed. I m out of warranty and worried that this is going to cost an arm and maybe two legs. What do y all think? Has anyone had a charger replaced out of warranty? How much was it? Since I have dual chargers in my car can the slave be swapped and reprogrammed to be the master? I don t have a HPWC at my home anyway so I ve basically never used the slave charger (never charged over 40A). Thus I don t think it would matter if I just went with a single charger if it is possible technically. | I just found this thread over on TMC...someone got Tesla to swap the chargers and reprogram the slave as master...for $389! https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads car-unable-to-charge.69029 Sounds good to me. I m gonna ask Tesla. | That sucks. I m curious what the solution will ultimately be. | 30 | 2 | 945 |
5zytpu | 467 | Tesla discontinues the Model S 60 and 60D I just got an e-mail (in Norwegian) saying they are discontinuing the 60 and 60D. | Saw this coming. Makes room for the Model 3. | Can any other regions confirm? I got the same email in Norway. | 183 | 6 | 946 |
5zytpu | 467 | Tesla discontinues the Model S 60 and 60D I just got an e-mail (in Norwegian) saying they are discontinuing the 60 and 60D. | Saw this coming. Makes room for the Model 3. | The e-mail: http: imgur.com a zOkdD | 183 | 14 | 947 |
5zytpu | 467 | Tesla discontinues the Model S 60 and 60D I just got an e-mail (in Norwegian) saying they are discontinuing the 60 and 60D. | back in the day this information would have come to us via u ElonsVelvetJacket | I wonder if they will keep an unlock option in place 75 -> 90? 90 -> 100? | 92 | 2 | 948 |
6095zx | 70 | Dear Tesla can we please have SOLID WHITE back? You don t really want to see only black Teslas do you? Image all those Model 3 in SOLID BLACK because Model 3 buyers on a budget didn t want to pay extra for another color. White is our favorite color and that s what we would like to see our Model 3 with. I m pretty sure others feel the same. | If I recall correctly the reason for the removal of solid white was that it cost nearly as much as pearl white to produce. | Personally my favorite color is blue midnight blue. However I prefer white on everything I own be it a car PC case Xbox and so on. Plus white is proven to be the color most consumers look for when purchasing a car. It holds the car value even more. | 29 | 3 | 949 |
60k0jh | 21 | Model 3 reservation holders: If for whatever reason you don t can t get a 3 what would you get instead? Curious to see what people are buying the 3 instead of so to speak. For me personally I d probably get an Audi S3. The other EVs on the market are either not meeting my needs wants (eGolf Bolt Leaf etc) or are not a great value proposition from my perspective (The Model S is great but with the options I d need before I d buy one becomes more money than I m willing to spend on a car currently). So since I would have to go outside of the EV world I d be looking for something AWD comfortable reasonably quick (I don t want something slower than I have now so has to be sub-6 0-60) with adaptive cruise that ll work all the way down to stop and go traffic on the highway. Audi S3 seems to be the logical choice. What about you folk? | Model S. | Chevy Bolt. Or as it s called over here Opel Ampera-e. in a few ways i already consider it to be ~~objectively better than the model 3~~ better suited for my personal use case. * 380 km is plenty of range 60kW CCS is fast enough. * The ability to switch from low regen to strong regen quickly is a great feature. * hatchback is always better than sedan not only for the fact that you get an actual trunk. * 360° surround vision camera is a great feature and it s absurd that tesla doesn t have this. * the instrument cluster ... exists * tuned for slower driving making it more efficient when not driving fast. | 43 | 3 | 950 |
60k0jh | 21 | Model 3 reservation holders: If for whatever reason you don t can t get a 3 what would you get instead? Curious to see what people are buying the 3 instead of so to speak. For me personally I d probably get an Audi S3. The other EVs on the market are either not meeting my needs wants (eGolf Bolt Leaf etc) or are not a great value proposition from my perspective (The Model S is great but with the options I d need before I d buy one becomes more money than I m willing to spend on a car currently). So since I would have to go outside of the EV world I d be looking for something AWD comfortable reasonably quick (I don t want something slower than I have now so has to be sub-6 0-60) with adaptive cruise that ll work all the way down to stop and go traffic on the highway. Audi S3 seems to be the logical choice. What about you folk? | Model S. | I ve got an old unreliable Jeep so I d have to buy a different car. As much as I love electric there just aren t any interesting electric cars that don t look ugly or boring. I d either save up a little longer and get a CPO Tesla Model S....or I might go for a nicely optioned Honda Civic. The new design looks really great. | 43 | 3 | 951 |
60k0jh | 21 | Model 3 reservation holders: If for whatever reason you don t can t get a 3 what would you get instead? Curious to see what people are buying the 3 instead of so to speak. For me personally I d probably get an Audi S3. The other EVs on the market are either not meeting my needs wants (eGolf Bolt Leaf etc) or are not a great value proposition from my perspective (The Model S is great but with the options I d need before I d buy one becomes more money than I m willing to spend on a car currently). So since I would have to go outside of the EV world I d be looking for something AWD comfortable reasonably quick (I don t want something slower than I have now so has to be sub-6 0-60) with adaptive cruise that ll work all the way down to stop and go traffic on the highway. Audi S3 seems to be the logical choice. What about you folk? | Model S. | I d just stick with my Volt. | 43 | 16 | 952 |
60n2sg | 53 | Biodefense Mode When do people use the Biodefense setting and how often is that? Why is this something that we need to turn on vs it engages automatically. I mostly use my to clean out the cabin from my kids stinky soccer gear after games and occasionally behind a truck or such. | Clearing out a particularly nasty fart. What? You asked! | I only turn it on manually when I had something smelly in my car (e.g. Pizza) and want to quickly get rid of the smell. Other than that it stays on auto. | 50 | 15 | 953 |
60n2sg | 53 | Biodefense Mode When do people use the Biodefense setting and how often is that? Why is this something that we need to turn on vs it engages automatically. I mostly use my to clean out the cabin from my kids stinky soccer gear after games and occasionally behind a truck or such. | Clearing out a particularly nasty fart. What? You asked! | Bioweapon defense mode* | 50 | 18 | 954 |
60p4c1 | 95 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | Absolutely no shame in putting sound financial decisions before material expenditures. At the end of the day a car and especially an expensive one is a want and not a need. Just remember that cars are depreciating assets. Even the model 3 will suffer from depreciation over time (although not at first). | I mean it s only $1k. Maybe you get $200 in interest why not wait and see the final reveal? If you get an early reservation # you might be able to buy one for someone low on the list and make much more than $200. | 101 | 8 | 955 |
60p4c1 | 95 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | Absolutely no shame in putting sound financial decisions before material expenditures. At the end of the day a car and especially an expensive one is a want and not a need. Just remember that cars are depreciating assets. Even the model 3 will suffer from depreciation over time (although not at first). | Think of it this way - the car you get will be even better because it ll have more bugs ironed out newer features etc. Now change that flair. | 101 | 30 | 956 |
611rme | 390 | Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche: Tesla has freed the electric car from the cereal image At the SXSW 2017 Daimler CEO Zetsche said Tesla has certainly set a positive impulse because they do not say electromobility is renunciation and cereals but on the contrary: that is power and enthusiasm. And that is the right way . **Last year the Tesla Model S outsold the S-Class Mercedes for the first time in the USA.** If you don t understand what cereals have to do with renunciation you should know that the german negativ stereotype of eco-activists is [vegan cereal-only eating hippies](https: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com originals 6f 7e 82 6f7e82db3decb829d13233192b08c6e2.jpg) with greasy hair that restrict themselves even if they suffer just to help nature and create a smaller carbon print . People like that are often called Müslis (translated Granola ) It shows that Mercedes and many of the established car manufacturers had a pretty arrogant and Eco-unfriendly viewpoint in the past and had to learn the hard way (dropping sales losing customers to Tesla for example) to change their view. But at least they are now awake and change is on the way. Source (german): http: t3n.de news daimler-zetsche-tesla-807699 | Why do most other manufacturers electrics look weird? | Granola | 97 | 26 | 957 |
614m4p | 228 | James Bond Tesla Commercial I am sure you guys get a million suggestions for commercials but I was watching Tomorrow Never Dies and realized how awesome a Tesla would be as a spy car and it gave me the below idea. Daniel Craig is facetiming with Q in driver seat Q: “We brought in some outside help for your car on this mission 007” Elon Musk climbs into passenger s seat Elon: “Mr. Bond” 007: “Mr. Musk” Bad guys approaching in rear view. 007 hits the accelerator in the Model S zooms away. Elon: “The electric motor provides substantially superior acceleration vs a conventional combustion spy car” Show Model S maneuvering through construction site while chasing cars crash into obstacles Elon: “I think you will also find that it handles quite well” Bad guy jumps on the hood. 007 lets go of the wheel and the Auto-pilot engages while he leans out the driver side window to wrestle the bad guy tossing him off the car. Elon: “The auto-pilot also comes in handy” Cut to Elon and 007 leaning on the car Elon: “So what do you think?” 007: “Not bad but is this really the fastest you ve got?” Elon: “Well only if wheels are a requirement” Falcon 9 Heavy lifts off behind them in the background with big SpaceX and Tesla logos on it. | I think Aston Martin has James Bond under contract | I really like the idea. The only issue I see is it will give people the wrong idea about autopilot...at least the current iteration of autopilot anyways | 87 | 12 | 958 |
614m4p | 228 | James Bond Tesla Commercial I am sure you guys get a million suggestions for commercials but I was watching Tomorrow Never Dies and realized how awesome a Tesla would be as a spy car and it gave me the below idea. Daniel Craig is facetiming with Q in driver seat Q: “We brought in some outside help for your car on this mission 007” Elon Musk climbs into passenger s seat Elon: “Mr. Bond” 007: “Mr. Musk” Bad guys approaching in rear view. 007 hits the accelerator in the Model S zooms away. Elon: “The electric motor provides substantially superior acceleration vs a conventional combustion spy car” Show Model S maneuvering through construction site while chasing cars crash into obstacles Elon: “I think you will also find that it handles quite well” Bad guy jumps on the hood. 007 lets go of the wheel and the Auto-pilot engages while he leans out the driver side window to wrestle the bad guy tossing him off the car. Elon: “The auto-pilot also comes in handy” Cut to Elon and 007 leaning on the car Elon: “So what do you think?” 007: “Not bad but is this really the fastest you ve got?” Elon: “Well only if wheels are a requirement” Falcon 9 Heavy lifts off behind them in the background with big SpaceX and Tesla logos on it. | I think Aston Martin has James Bond under contract | Love the ending hehe. | 87 | 18 | 959 |
614m4p | 228 | James Bond Tesla Commercial I am sure you guys get a million suggestions for commercials but I was watching Tomorrow Never Dies and realized how awesome a Tesla would be as a spy car and it gave me the below idea. Daniel Craig is facetiming with Q in driver seat Q: “We brought in some outside help for your car on this mission 007” Elon Musk climbs into passenger s seat Elon: “Mr. Bond” 007: “Mr. Musk” Bad guys approaching in rear view. 007 hits the accelerator in the Model S zooms away. Elon: “The electric motor provides substantially superior acceleration vs a conventional combustion spy car” Show Model S maneuvering through construction site while chasing cars crash into obstacles Elon: “I think you will also find that it handles quite well” Bad guy jumps on the hood. 007 lets go of the wheel and the Auto-pilot engages while he leans out the driver side window to wrestle the bad guy tossing him off the car. Elon: “The auto-pilot also comes in handy” Cut to Elon and 007 leaning on the car Elon: “So what do you think?” 007: “Not bad but is this really the fastest you ve got?” Elon: “Well only if wheels are a requirement” Falcon 9 Heavy lifts off behind them in the background with big SpaceX and Tesla logos on it. | I think Aston Martin has James Bond under contract | Okay are you a previous commercial maker or?- This is really good. | 87 | 35 | 960 |
619elk | 201 | Elon Tweet Storm - March 24 2017 Someone please consolidate the posts into a comment. I would do it myself but I do not have access to Twitter at work. I m leaving the other posts up for another 15 min so if anyone would like to gather them and be the commenter (who can update the comment with further updates) I d appreciate it. **Additions**: - [Streamable Mirror of video](https: streamable.com 59jr4) - * The more autonomous a car is the less dash info you need. How often do you look at the instrument panel when being driven in a taxi? * - *Elon Musk confirms the biggest battery pack on Model 3 will be 75kWh.* | [Am noticing that many people think Model 3 is the next version of a Tesla like iPhone 2 vs 3. This is not true.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6196c9 elon_musk_on_twitter_am_noticing_that_many_people ) [Model 3 is just a smaller more affordable version of Model S w less range & power & fewer features. Model S has more advanced technology.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6197di sounds_like_elon_is_trying_to_convince_us ) [Model Y is coming too in a few years.](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 61999r model_y_coming_in_a_few_years_as_per_elon ) [(Long thread about dual motor not being available until next year to keep production ramp on schedule. Early res. holders wanting D model will be first in line when it enters production in ~6-9 months)](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6199zh dual_motor_model_3_coming_later_next_year ) [Elon is a dumb idiot ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 619ahf that_time_elon_admitted_he_was_a_dumb_idiot_in ) [No HUD for Model 3 CONFIRMED](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 619c68 no_hud_for_model_3_confirmed ) [First video of Release Candidate Model 3](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 619d8x first_video_of_release_candidate_model_3 ) [Electrek article about video](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 619fct elon_musk_releases_video_of_the_first_model_3 ) And in other news: [Solar shingles open for orders in April!](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 619irr solar_shingles_open_for_orders_in_april ) | Thank you for this all I am seeing is Elon s face on new posts. | 118 | 11 | 961 |
619elk | 201 | Elon Tweet Storm - March 24 2017 Someone please consolidate the posts into a comment. I would do it myself but I do not have access to Twitter at work. I m leaving the other posts up for another 15 min so if anyone would like to gather them and be the commenter (who can update the comment with further updates) I d appreciate it. **Additions**: - [Streamable Mirror of video](https: streamable.com 59jr4) - * The more autonomous a car is the less dash info you need. How often do you look at the instrument panel when being driven in a taxi? * - *Elon Musk confirms the biggest battery pack on Model 3 will be 75kWh.* | No dashboard & instrument cluster. Everything s on the huge display. That s crazy. | We must name this...Tweetpocalypse. | 41 | 4 | 962 |
619elk | 201 | Elon Tweet Storm - March 24 2017 Someone please consolidate the posts into a comment. I would do it myself but I do not have access to Twitter at work. I m leaving the other posts up for another 15 min so if anyone would like to gather them and be the commenter (who can update the comment with further updates) I d appreciate it. **Additions**: - [Streamable Mirror of video](https: streamable.com 59jr4) - * The more autonomous a car is the less dash info you need. How often do you look at the instrument panel when being driven in a taxi? * - *Elon Musk confirms the biggest battery pack on Model 3 will be 75kWh.* | No dashboard & instrument cluster. Everything s on the huge display. That s crazy. | Thank you for this all I am seeing is Elon s face on new posts. | 41 | 11 | 963 |
619vbo | 24 | Is anyone *actually* cancelling their Model 3 reservation after today s info drops? I m not at the point of cancellation because I think it d be premature (area man believes Tesla might maybe theoretically could ship something on schedule for 1st time) but my confidence that I ll actually be putting in an order and taking delivery of a vehicle has taken a pretty substantial hit. I don t know *why* I thought they d offer AWD at launch but knowing that it s almost certainly not going to happen before next spring or summer really stings a lot. | Nah as someone who wanted a RWD upgraded battery but non-performance model I just got told I m getting my car sooner than I thought! Bummed about no HUD though. | My concern is that early Model 3 s are going to drop in value somewhat substantially after more full-featured versions are sold and upgrading a year or two down the line would be like shoveling cash into a furnace. | 30 | 2 | 964 |
619vbo | 24 | Is anyone *actually* cancelling their Model 3 reservation after today s info drops? I m not at the point of cancellation because I think it d be premature (area man believes Tesla might maybe theoretically could ship something on schedule for 1st time) but my confidence that I ll actually be putting in an order and taking delivery of a vehicle has taken a pretty substantial hit. I don t know *why* I thought they d offer AWD at launch but knowing that it s almost certainly not going to happen before next spring or summer really stings a lot. | Nah as someone who wanted a RWD upgraded battery but non-performance model I just got told I m getting my car sooner than I thought! Bummed about no HUD though. | I m more interested in the performance model. Makes me sad it ll be a year out before it starts being produced. | 30 | 2 | 965 |
61ag6l | 21 | Why is AWD Dual motors so popular with Model 3 reservations? I do not plan on getting AWD but thats because I live in a place where it doesnt snow. With the backlash over Elon s statement that dual motor configs will be built later I looked into it a bit. According to Model3tracker.info about 70% of reservations would like dual motors AWD. This surprised me I expected closer to 25%. According to this: http: blog.caranddriver.com differential-distribution-where-rwd-awd-and-fwd-vehicles-are-sold-in-the-u-s-infographic about 35% of luxury compact car buyers go for AWD. Essentially what you gain from the Model S is modestly improved off the line acceleration a very small bump in range (4% or so) and of course additional traction when accelerating. But.. this costs $5000 and will probably cost close to that on the 3. To me that is a steep price to pay on a 40k vehicle for those gains even if some snow driving is needed especially if your snow driving will be on paved and plowed roads. | Its the best $ investment option in the vehicle. It gives you powertrain redundancy improves performance handling and range in a single option. | Also.. I know a large amount of you are from southern cali so why do you want a $5k option so badly for minimal real world advantage? | 34 | 2 | 966 |
61ag6l | 21 | Why is AWD Dual motors so popular with Model 3 reservations? I do not plan on getting AWD but thats because I live in a place where it doesnt snow. With the backlash over Elon s statement that dual motor configs will be built later I looked into it a bit. According to Model3tracker.info about 70% of reservations would like dual motors AWD. This surprised me I expected closer to 25%. According to this: http: blog.caranddriver.com differential-distribution-where-rwd-awd-and-fwd-vehicles-are-sold-in-the-u-s-infographic about 35% of luxury compact car buyers go for AWD. Essentially what you gain from the Model S is modestly improved off the line acceleration a very small bump in range (4% or so) and of course additional traction when accelerating. But.. this costs $5000 and will probably cost close to that on the 3. To me that is a steep price to pay on a 40k vehicle for those gains even if some snow driving is needed especially if your snow driving will be on paved and plowed roads. | Because a metric asston of us live where it snows. Even if there are plows in your area there are no guarantees that they ll actually be timely and or that it isn t snowing so hard that their work is erased in a matter of minutes. Personally there s no way in the world I m making the second most expensive purchase of my life and leaving anything to chance that will make me regret it. No matter how many Model S owners tell me it s fine my experience owning a 300+ HP RWD car here in the winter for three years tells me otherwise. AWD is an absolute non-negotiable feature for me. | Also.. I know a large amount of you are from southern cali so why do you want a $5k option so badly for minimal real world advantage? | 33 | 2 | 967 |
61ag6l | 21 | Why is AWD Dual motors so popular with Model 3 reservations? I do not plan on getting AWD but thats because I live in a place where it doesnt snow. With the backlash over Elon s statement that dual motor configs will be built later I looked into it a bit. According to Model3tracker.info about 70% of reservations would like dual motors AWD. This surprised me I expected closer to 25%. According to this: http: blog.caranddriver.com differential-distribution-where-rwd-awd-and-fwd-vehicles-are-sold-in-the-u-s-infographic about 35% of luxury compact car buyers go for AWD. Essentially what you gain from the Model S is modestly improved off the line acceleration a very small bump in range (4% or so) and of course additional traction when accelerating. But.. this costs $5000 and will probably cost close to that on the 3. To me that is a steep price to pay on a 40k vehicle for those gains even if some snow driving is needed especially if your snow driving will be on paved and plowed roads. | Because a metric asston of us live where it snows. Even if there are plows in your area there are no guarantees that they ll actually be timely and or that it isn t snowing so hard that their work is erased in a matter of minutes. Personally there s no way in the world I m making the second most expensive purchase of my life and leaving anything to chance that will make me regret it. No matter how many Model S owners tell me it s fine my experience owning a 300+ HP RWD car here in the winter for three years tells me otherwise. AWD is an absolute non-negotiable feature for me. | I ve seen a few times today someone (including myself) saying that the range increase is only a few percentage points and getting a response well I want the range . I mean I suppose if more range is more range no matter how much more go for it! But at least on the Model S it s like 4% more range for 7% more price. I get that when it comes to emotional decisions like buying a hella nice car the hard numbers aren t the whole story but still | 33 | 2 | 968 |
61dmil | 21 | Is Tesla really at 180 000 deliveries for the U.S.? I went for a test drive today because I was invited to check out the large amount of inventory vehicles at my local Tesla and 2 different owner advisors told me they received an employee email explaining Tesla has hit the 180 000 U.S. deliveries mark. Not sure if this was a tactic to get me to hurry up and make my purchase but I thought they weren t supposed to be pushy Has anyone else heard this? It makes me wonder how many Model 3 owners will really see the federal tax credit especially reservation holders looking to select the AWD option now that Elon said those will be later in 2018. Does this mean Tesla might deliver the 200 000 vehicle in Q3 2017? Just thought I d share what I heard. | Hi. As of today Tesla s global sales are 207 541 units and USA sales are 119 525 units. More details [HERE](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1Vobg29R1t3FphlWjb8dwG4nkAWqyc_qMwkCjUT8SUno pubhtml?gid=1805961368& single=true& chrome=false). Scroll to the right to column AW where it says Tesla fleet on 25 Mar 2017 . This is based on sales numbers released in Tesla shareholder letters. | I seriously doubt that. [This link](http: insideevs.com monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard ) has sales numbers for EVs and Tesla isn t even to 120k according to it. Granted some of these are estimated but it s probably pretty close. Sounds like your sales rep was lying. | 40 | 5 | 969 |
61dmil | 21 | Is Tesla really at 180 000 deliveries for the U.S.? I went for a test drive today because I was invited to check out the large amount of inventory vehicles at my local Tesla and 2 different owner advisors told me they received an employee email explaining Tesla has hit the 180 000 U.S. deliveries mark. Not sure if this was a tactic to get me to hurry up and make my purchase but I thought they weren t supposed to be pushy Has anyone else heard this? It makes me wonder how many Model 3 owners will really see the federal tax credit especially reservation holders looking to select the AWD option now that Elon said those will be later in 2018. Does this mean Tesla might deliver the 200 000 vehicle in Q3 2017? Just thought I d share what I heard. | Hi. As of today Tesla s global sales are 207 541 units and USA sales are 119 525 units. More details [HERE](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1Vobg29R1t3FphlWjb8dwG4nkAWqyc_qMwkCjUT8SUno pubhtml?gid=1805961368& single=true& chrome=false). Scroll to the right to column AW where it says Tesla fleet on 25 Mar 2017 . This is based on sales numbers released in Tesla shareholder letters. | > email explaining Tesla has hit the 180 000 U.S. deliveries mark. Not likely. | 40 | 10 | 970 |
61f7fn | 42 | How often do you think we ll spot Model 3 s in the future? Many of you all like myself are constantly scanning the road for Teslas. With the massive adaption of the Model 3 we will see half a million additional Tesla s on the road over the next few years. While there s obviously lots of variation across the world in regards to Tesla adoption (California vs. other states for example) I was curious to see how you all believe the sales numbers will compare to other car manufacturers in the future and thus how often we ll be seeing Teslas on our roads. For example there have been over 200 000 Nissan Leafs sold since they went on sale in 2010. It s safe to say that in a few years we ll be twice as likely to see a Tesla as a Nissan Leaf. | Hopefully every morning when i walk into garage in 7 or 8 months. | I see about 2-3 Model X and maybe 5 Model S every day. I ll assume once the model 3 are delivered easily 10+ | 128 | 17 | 971 |
61f7fn | 42 | How often do you think we ll spot Model 3 s in the future? Many of you all like myself are constantly scanning the road for Teslas. With the massive adaption of the Model 3 we will see half a million additional Tesla s on the road over the next few years. While there s obviously lots of variation across the world in regards to Tesla adoption (California vs. other states for example) I was curious to see how you all believe the sales numbers will compare to other car manufacturers in the future and thus how often we ll be seeing Teslas on our roads. For example there have been over 200 000 Nissan Leafs sold since they went on sale in 2010. It s safe to say that in a few years we ll be twice as likely to see a Tesla as a Nissan Leaf. | Hopefully every morning when i walk into garage in 7 or 8 months. | In four years you will stop noticing them. | 128 | 22 | 972 |
61g302 | 132 | Model 3 Perception Reality Is anyone else stunned by the people that are just now finding out that Model 3 is NOT going to be better than Model S X? Model 3 will be the LOW END Tesla. Less features smaller car less performance=lower price. Model S is Tesla s Legacy and the cornerstone of the all electric high performance sedan. Tesla is not going to risk diluting the S and it s value (or it s dedicated owners and followers). Many people are going to find out that a fully loaded Model 3 is going end up being the price of a low end S (60 or 75). This is another reason the 60 is going away (to increase the gap between high end 3 and low end S). Anyone wanting a decked out 3 should just buy an S60 NOW while they are still available.....it s going to be a better car and better value all around. | I think the only people that thought Model 3 would be better than S X were misinformed from the start. What may add to confusion is that Model 3 is getting AP2 upgrade so maybe they thought the rest of the tech would be on par with that (HUD door handle options whatever else). Hell I was hoping for the HUD because that would be awesome. Tell ya what though: I m happy my Model S is holding value at the moment better than I thought. Last offer for it was $50k (private sale) - which is $10k more than Tesla offered. People are starting to catch on to the little things: free supercharging two big screens availability now AP1 works great majority of the time and FSD is still questionable. | Hopefully they don t underwhelm people too much otherwise there will be a large number of reservation cancellations. I m disappointed that I won t be able to order the AWD option for at least 6-9 months. | 42 | 9 | 973 |
61g302 | 132 | Model 3 Perception Reality Is anyone else stunned by the people that are just now finding out that Model 3 is NOT going to be better than Model S X? Model 3 will be the LOW END Tesla. Less features smaller car less performance=lower price. Model S is Tesla s Legacy and the cornerstone of the all electric high performance sedan. Tesla is not going to risk diluting the S and it s value (or it s dedicated owners and followers). Many people are going to find out that a fully loaded Model 3 is going end up being the price of a low end S (60 or 75). This is another reason the 60 is going away (to increase the gap between high end 3 and low end S). Anyone wanting a decked out 3 should just buy an S60 NOW while they are still available.....it s going to be a better car and better value all around. | Personally I think its great that it won t have as much technology. Falcon wings self presenting door handles etc. are just one more thing that could go wrong and cost more money. I care more about the slick look of flush handles (which it still has) than the fact that they self present. That being said. I d still love an S or X. I saw both yesterday when out and about...oh the envy. | Hopefully they don t underwhelm people too much otherwise there will be a large number of reservation cancellations. I m disappointed that I won t be able to order the AWD option for at least 6-9 months. | 42 | 9 | 974 |
61g302 | 132 | Model 3 Perception Reality Is anyone else stunned by the people that are just now finding out that Model 3 is NOT going to be better than Model S X? Model 3 will be the LOW END Tesla. Less features smaller car less performance=lower price. Model S is Tesla s Legacy and the cornerstone of the all electric high performance sedan. Tesla is not going to risk diluting the S and it s value (or it s dedicated owners and followers). Many people are going to find out that a fully loaded Model 3 is going end up being the price of a low end S (60 or 75). This is another reason the 60 is going away (to increase the gap between high end 3 and low end S). Anyone wanting a decked out 3 should just buy an S60 NOW while they are still available.....it s going to be a better car and better value all around. | Personally I think its great that it won t have as much technology. Falcon wings self presenting door handles etc. are just one more thing that could go wrong and cost more money. I care more about the slick look of flush handles (which it still has) than the fact that they self present. That being said. I d still love an S or X. I saw both yesterday when out and about...oh the envy. | Not really. If I had the money to buy a model s I would do it with no problem but a new model s here in Indiana will cost as much as my 3 bedroom house. I hope the model 3 is as cheap as it can be. I just want a good looking electric car. I mean I don t want manual windows or any of that shit but I hope they can really bring the cost down for us poor people like they intended... | 42 | 13 | 975 |
61m24n | 28 | Model 3 Seats I haven t seen much discussion about the seats in the Model 3. Questions I have: * Do you think the Model 3 have the same premium seat options found in the Model S X? * Do you think the white seats will make it into the Model 3? * Do you think the Model 3 will have power seating? * Do you think the Model 3 will have heated seats? I know no one here has the answers but I m curious about what you think. | Decided to do a little bit of sleuthing. The Model 3 betas have [heated seat options on the center screen](http: imgur.com IzEezRH). No guarantee that will be standard but I hope so for a car at this price point. Also found a shot of the [power seat controls](http: imgur.com 2eEKQJF) on the passenger seat of the Model 3. I didn t expect them to be manual but a part of me was a little worried how much they may strip away on the Model 3 to cut costs. Edit: [Here s a pic](http: imgur.com 2xCcArX) I made comparing all of the Model S s seat designs over the years. And [here s a pic of the Model 3 seats](http: imgur.com MVUcR5Q) which apparently are a new design entirely if you compare the stitching. But these were the beta prototypes which means these could have just been temporary seats (much like the temporary steering wheel). | My assumption would be that all that stuff will at very least be optional. Maybe not the premium ventilated seats that S and X have but power and heated seats should. As far as the white seats they ve been whoring that silver prototype at every event with white seats so it would be pretty messed up if it wasn t available. | 34 | 8 | 976 |
625u1g | 266 | 8.1 update available Have AP 2.0. Got info at 6:15am EST that new software install available. Installing as we speak. Currently i have 17.9.3! | u FredTesla where s my electrek article?! | I hope you re right but there is a 17.10.42 release which I only received last week. Fingers crossed! | 47 | 5 | 977 |
625u1g | 266 | 8.1 update available Have AP 2.0. Got info at 6:15am EST that new software install available. Installing as we speak. Currently i have 17.9.3! | u FredTesla where s my electrek article?! | If I m picking up my car Monday the SC will have handled the upgrade right? :-) | 47 | 6 | 978 |
625u1g | 266 | 8.1 update available Have AP 2.0. Got info at 6:15am EST that new software install available. Installing as we speak. Currently i have 17.9.3! | u FredTesla where s my electrek article?! | Sweet. Let us know which version it is and whats new! | 47 | 16 | 979 |
629l8m | 59 | Those with 8.1 triple tap the T on the MCU... Sketch away! | > Have fun. [For us non-owners](https: media.giphy.com media 57DX612XYgQKI giphy.gif) | Pics or it didn t happen | 60 | 2 | 980 |
629l8m | 59 | Those with 8.1 triple tap the T on the MCU... Sketch away! | > Have fun. [For us non-owners](https: media.giphy.com media 57DX612XYgQKI giphy.gif) | Can you give us a TL DHTU (don t have the update) | 60 | 13 | 981 |
629l8m | 59 | Those with 8.1 triple tap the T on the MCU... Sketch away! | [Confirmed](http: imgur.com a iZbX4). And then when you press the Publish button you get [this message](http: imgur.com a bcFJa). | Pics or it didn t happen | 36 | 2 | 982 |
62b7ov | 23 | Every Model 3 Will Include Self-Driving Functionality as Standard (Educated Speculation) To some extent at the very least. If full self-driving functionality isn t included as standard it will likely be in a very affordable capacity such as a subscription or bundled with an insurance maintenance plan. The evidence is mounting: Elon predominantly speaks of the Model 3 as self-driving. He makes it sound like the Model 3 will be rarely driven by a person such as in his latest Tweet: The more autonomous a car is the less dash info you need. How often do you look at the instrument panel when being driven in a taxi? - @elonmusk It sounds like Elon has been letting the cat out of the bag since the unveiling and we have been oblivious to it. If the majority of people are only spending $35-$42k does a Tweet like that make sense when full autonomy costs $10k on the Model S X? No unless every Model 3 will ship with self-driving functionality or at least some of the features such as speed distance control. That is becoming more likely: if every Model 3 doesn t ship with full autonomy it is sounding very likely it will ship with Autopilot-type features as standard that mainly require the driver to steer. Elon wants every Model 3 to be self-driving and that won t happen if it s a $10k option. There are also past Tweets that make it sound like the Model 3 s final spaceship interior will be made for self-driving. Of course very critically to this theory every Model 3 will already ship with full Autopilot hardware. It s just a flip of the switch to enable autonomy rather than making it an option. There is immense value to Tesla in having every Model 3 be self-driving: owners can use Model 3 s as taxis that will likely generate more revenue than charging for the feature would. With the scale it s likely full autonomy would ve only been a few thousand. *Including autonomy in insurance maintenance packages to make it more affordable is also a possibility. Tesla Motors is just the beginning of Tesla s profitability. I m calling it: Model 3 is first and foremost a self-driving car not just the affordable Tesla. Saving this announcement for the launch will be an absolutely groundbreaking final blow from Tesla in securing its spot as a powerhouse company for decades to come keeping Model 3 s demand sky-high for a very long time and shattering the automotive industry from its very core. | Eh I don t see it. Self driving is a cash cow people will pay extra for it. They d never pass on that. | I could see them doing a monthly fee sort of thing for the people who can t fork over the few grand the feature costs. It d be another income for Tesla too. I don t think they ll be giving these features away for free the hardware costs are too high. I ll also likely be just buying FSD up front but the monthly option sounds could be a possibility for all we know. | 48 | 9 | 983 |
62ikne | 102 | Notes -some suppliers (there are hundreds - this set is less than 5) are experiencing 50% price reductions on similar parts from S to 3 -the smallest battery might be below 50kwh still hitting 215 mile range [in my opinion this would be massive for margins positive for TSLA holders but I am skeptical] -a different supplier indicated their model 3 parts have been shipping 10 units week and will ramp to 100 units week in April 1000 units week in June and 5000 week in Sept -Model 3 may be farther along than people give them credit and Model Y is more like early 2020 - I was under impression it was early 2019 - will be very curious regarding the next week comment https: electrek.co 2017 03 28 tesla-model-y-elon-musk-next-week anecdotally I spoke with the manager of a car dealership who told me the world will never go electric a year ago and this week just said you re right the world is going electric | This is one of the strangest posts I ve seen on here... | For those suppliers referencing a 50% price reduction on similar parts how are they accomplishing that? 1) Component cost improvements (design material size etc)and manufacturing efficiencies? 2) They will sell at a loss? | 53 | 4 | 984 |
62ikne | 102 | Notes -some suppliers (there are hundreds - this set is less than 5) are experiencing 50% price reductions on similar parts from S to 3 -the smallest battery might be below 50kwh still hitting 215 mile range [in my opinion this would be massive for margins positive for TSLA holders but I am skeptical] -a different supplier indicated their model 3 parts have been shipping 10 units week and will ramp to 100 units week in April 1000 units week in June and 5000 week in Sept -Model 3 may be farther along than people give them credit and Model Y is more like early 2020 - I was under impression it was early 2019 - will be very curious regarding the next week comment https: electrek.co 2017 03 28 tesla-model-y-elon-musk-next-week anecdotally I spoke with the manager of a car dealership who told me the world will never go electric a year ago and this week just said you re right the world is going electric | This is one of the strangest posts I ve seen on here... | Interesting do you have source for these statements? | 53 | 14 | 985 |
62r3a4 | 56 | Sub News: mod voting 110110 gone changes Due to drama we (and he) would not like to discuss u 110110 is no longer a mod here. This was decided by a vote from all mods. Obviously he has made some changes that we need to fix... which will come in the near future. We have decided to bring more balance to the sub and the team. We have been discussing options with several users and at this time u CliffordCat is top pick pending a final vote. He is on a trial period for now with only minor mod abilities right now. | Man. Up until the u CliffordCat you had me. | :thinking: What date was it again :thinking: | 61 | 3 | 986 |
62r3a4 | 56 | Sub News: mod voting 110110 gone changes Due to drama we (and he) would not like to discuss u 110110 is no longer a mod here. This was decided by a vote from all mods. Obviously he has made some changes that we need to fix... which will come in the near future. We have decided to bring more balance to the sub and the team. We have been discussing options with several users and at this time u CliffordCat is top pick pending a final vote. He is on a trial period for now with only minor mod abilities right now. | Man. Up until the u CliffordCat you had me. | We can again M3? | 61 | 5 | 987 |
62r3a4 | 56 | Sub News: mod voting 110110 gone changes Due to drama we (and he) would not like to discuss u 110110 is no longer a mod here. This was decided by a vote from all mods. Obviously he has made some changes that we need to fix... which will come in the near future. We have decided to bring more balance to the sub and the team. We have been discussing options with several users and at this time u CliffordCat is top pick pending a final vote. He is on a trial period for now with only minor mod abilities right now. | Man. Up until the u CliffordCat you had me. | 🙄 | 61 | 9 | 988 |
62w83z | 51 | April Fools! 110110 not gone CliffordCat not mod all made up Everything was set up yesterday including the fake fighting between me and 110110 and CliffordCat. It was originally Clifford s idea and we went with it. Special awards to 110110 for making it sound real on the sub and discord server! We even had automod remove any posts that said April or Fools lol. I can t believe some of you thought that was real after my ridiculous posts. Also I know I m a bit of a stubborn ass... but come on people I m not some power hungry idiot that would treat 110110 like that! Those of you that messaged me mods should feel a bit foolish! There is no drama or in-fighting. All love and respect among the mods - u 110110 is invaluable to our team! He s the best. You know it I know it everybody knows it! I ll start re-approving posts in the other thread. There were a lot of you that tried to out us! Also sorry if automod got a bit zealous... if you said April in another other thread that was also removed! I ll get those re-approved. Happy April Fools! Let s see how many of you remember for next year! :-P Cheers Edit: also had my little pony as sub picture that was left up... lol | Lol not to be a dick but did nobody else immediately notice it was bullshit? | I knew it all along quite amusing to see people fall for it :P | 67 | 3 | 989 |
62w83z | 51 | April Fools! 110110 not gone CliffordCat not mod all made up Everything was set up yesterday including the fake fighting between me and 110110 and CliffordCat. It was originally Clifford s idea and we went with it. Special awards to 110110 for making it sound real on the sub and discord server! We even had automod remove any posts that said April or Fools lol. I can t believe some of you thought that was real after my ridiculous posts. Also I know I m a bit of a stubborn ass... but come on people I m not some power hungry idiot that would treat 110110 like that! Those of you that messaged me mods should feel a bit foolish! There is no drama or in-fighting. All love and respect among the mods - u 110110 is invaluable to our team! He s the best. You know it I know it everybody knows it! I ll start re-approving posts in the other thread. There were a lot of you that tried to out us! Also sorry if automod got a bit zealous... if you said April in another other thread that was also removed! I ll get those re-approved. Happy April Fools! Let s see how many of you remember for next year! :-P Cheers Edit: also had my little pony as sub picture that was left up... lol | Lol not to be a dick but did nobody else immediately notice it was bullshit? | Your joke was bad. You should all feel bad. | 67 | 3 | 990 |
62w83z | 51 | April Fools! 110110 not gone CliffordCat not mod all made up Everything was set up yesterday including the fake fighting between me and 110110 and CliffordCat. It was originally Clifford s idea and we went with it. Special awards to 110110 for making it sound real on the sub and discord server! We even had automod remove any posts that said April or Fools lol. I can t believe some of you thought that was real after my ridiculous posts. Also I know I m a bit of a stubborn ass... but come on people I m not some power hungry idiot that would treat 110110 like that! Those of you that messaged me mods should feel a bit foolish! There is no drama or in-fighting. All love and respect among the mods - u 110110 is invaluable to our team! He s the best. You know it I know it everybody knows it! I ll start re-approving posts in the other thread. There were a lot of you that tried to out us! Also sorry if automod got a bit zealous... if you said April in another other thread that was also removed! I ll get those re-approved. Happy April Fools! Let s see how many of you remember for next year! :-P Cheers Edit: also had my little pony as sub picture that was left up... lol | Lol not to be a dick but did nobody else immediately notice it was bullshit? | Glad you re still with us u 110110! | 67 | 7 | 991 |
630mpe | 320 | Just completed a 1 500 mile road trip in my two week old Model S. Here are my thoughts. Picked up my Model S 75D on 3 16 and just got home yesterday from a 1 500 mile road trip with my family of four. Thought some new owners might be interested in how a new tesla owner found the whole road trip experience. My biggest concern about doing that long of a road trip was how much having to stop for supercharging would add to travel time. Usually I m a go go go get there as fast as possible traveler and I knew there was no way I could do that in a tesla. I relied entirely on the tesla nav and did no preplanning and no attempt to optimize charging times. If the car said stop here and charge for 40m we did and left when it notified me we were ready to continue. We did a little under 700 miles yesterday and nav said it d take 13h 29m. It was pretty much dead on. Normally we do that leg of the trip in under 11 hours. As much as I thought I d hate that much extra time the whole family ended up really enjoying the leisurely pace. Stopping to eat lunch dinner walk around or play it really made the extra time worth it in my opinion. It was also cool meeting other owners and chatting it up while we waited for our cars to charge. I only had one instance of range anxiety during the whole trip. We charged as much as it said but then ran into a heavy rain storm. Car told us to slow down to under 70 then 65 then 60. That was really annoying due to the traffic blasting by constantly in the rain. Slowing down to 55 made it so we got to our stop with about 6% remaining. A little close. In the future I ll keep a better eye on weather and maybe charge extra than it says in order to avoid that. The primary feature I wanted on the Tesla was auto pilot so I was very excited to get the update on Wednesday. I had the 8.0 update for 600 miles and 8.1 for 900 miles. Using autopilot at interstate speeds is the best thing to happen to the driving experience ever. Of the 700 miles yesterday I had to manually drive for maybe 10. AP2 was almost flawless the entire time. Auto lane change was really really good. Going around curves was great. Dealing with traffic was almost perfect. There were some issues that needs improvement. Over head signs or overpass bridges would occasionally have the car mash the brake for a second until it realized it wasn t an obstacle. Gave my wife a scare a few times. Also going around curves at night with oncoming traffic confused it the same way twice. The car recovered fine and I never took control from it in those cases but those were issues. Passing semis also was a bit annoying. Semis too close to the line wouldn t be detected quite as soon as I d like so we d be super close to it and then it d see it and adjust offset from the center of the lane. Off ramps would confuse it briefly too where it d attempt to take it for about half a second then realize it shouldn t do that. There was one instance of complicated exits where it tried to start doing that but the exit was going strong right and the road strong left and it didn t recover enough going to the left where I thought it might hit the guard rail so I manually grabbed control. It might have recovered fine but it wasn t doing it fast enough for my liking. I only grabbed manual control two other times from it. One was in heavy traffic with cars merging in and passing me at same time. It wouldn t slow down for merging car and wouldn t change lanes due to other passing. I hit breaks to let other car merge in. The other time was passing an over sized load semi with stuff hanging off into the passing lane. Car didn t detect that it needed to be waay over so I grabbed control to do it. I can t overstate how awesome it was 99% of the time. Completely worth it even at this state. I m not quite sure I can do a road trip where I have to drive the whole time again. The car is actually super comfortable too. We all had more room in it than my wife s SUV and pretty much the same amount of usable cargo space. tl dr Awesome road trip experience. Super charging makes the experience better auto pilot is the best invention in driving since wheels. | I would be careful leaving exactly when the car says you have enough charge it can be aggressive when it doesn t know the conditions (as you noted). I usually like to have a 20% buffer compared to how many miles I need to go to be fully comfortable (i.e. need to go 100 miles make sure the car says 120 miles of range). I find that the Model S is a lot more forgiving than the Model X in unfavorable conditions so you have that going for you. | It s great seeing these stories especially good Autopilot experiences. I think the car will send the data with those false positives back to the mothership so they can take a look at it. It s insane knowing that Autopilot can get better over time none of the competition can do that right now. | 41 | 14 | 992 |
638xt5 | 298 | Stormy weather in Shortville ... -Elon Musk Congrats to $TSLA on a new 52 week high of $299.00! | A direct throwback to 2013... > Seems to be some stormy weather over in Shortville these days https: twitter.com elonmusk status 327446760219889665?lang=en | I think this should stay this deserves some publicity. The last time Elon tweeted something similar the stock doubled | 57 | 22 | 993 |
63alyd | 46 | Best charger to install at my retail stores? I own a number of retail stores and most have solar panels on the roof so theoretically free charging. What is the best outdoor charger for < $1k? I was looking at the Juicebox Pro 75A since they can be monitored and controlled remotely. | According to Teslas website they will actually give you (if you qualify) up to 2 chargers for your location. You can find out more here: https: www.tesla.com destination-charging | I love Juicebox. I have a Juicebox 40 in my garage. | 67 | 2 | 994 |
63alyd | 46 | Best charger to install at my retail stores? I own a number of retail stores and most have solar panels on the roof so theoretically free charging. What is the best outdoor charger for < $1k? I was looking at the Juicebox Pro 75A since they can be monitored and controlled remotely. | According to Teslas website they will actually give you (if you qualify) up to 2 chargers for your location. You can find out more here: https: www.tesla.com destination-charging | My employer installed Chargepoint chargers. Sadly I can t use them for my car because they are limited to company vehicles. They seem to work well and have held up well in the Arizona desert. I m not positive but I believe our fleet manager is able to monitor usage at each charger. | 67 | 5 | 995 |
63alyd | 46 | Best charger to install at my retail stores? I own a number of retail stores and most have solar panels on the roof so theoretically free charging. What is the best outdoor charger for < $1k? I was looking at the Juicebox Pro 75A since they can be monitored and controlled remotely. | According to Teslas website they will actually give you (if you qualify) up to 2 chargers for your location. You can find out more here: https: www.tesla.com destination-charging | Props to being a forward thinking business owner. I am trying to convince this massive new development to put in chargers after they stupidly turned Tesla down for a Supercharging stop. I ve seen a few AeroVironment EV stations around our town they have held up great for over 5+ years and I haven t seen them be down broken. | 67 | 12 | 996 |
63dtws | 43 | Tesla Model X suspension quality issue. Passenger side front wheel snapped off. I was driving my Model X P90D on a local street 2 days ago. When I made a v-shaped right turn at the slow speed of 5 to 10 mi h I hit a very small pothole and heard a bang. There was no vibration at all so I didn t pay attention at the time. The car was driving perfectly normal for the rest of that day. I drove another 40 miles or so including 20 miles on the highway with 60+ mi h speed. The issue came up the next day when I was pulling my car out of the garage. I heard another bang when the car was backing and my steering became stiff. The car wouldn t move anymore. Then the suspension needs service warning came out the instrument panel. I came out and check the car found out that the ENTIRE FRONT WHEEL SNAPPED OFF! I m glad that it only happened to me at my garage but not on the highway. [picture of the wheel](http: imgur.com a L5Lnf) [another picture](http: imgur.com a fVdZ0) update: I don t think this would happen to any normal car. The pothole wasn t that big It s only 2 inches deep max. There was no repeated hard impacts. I wouldn t even say that particular impact was hard! I only had the car for 2 months and had only 1000 miles on it. update2: I ask the shop to send me some pictures of the damaged parts. Here they are: [damaged 1](http: imgur.com 6HGYw2a) [damaged 2](http: imgur.com RQ489Xw) | The NHTSA takes things like this very seriously - you should file a complaint here: https: www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov VehicleComplaint If this is a systemic problem an investigation can help Tesla identify the bad component(s) and conduct a recall. That way this can t happen to someone else at a more inconvenient time (say driving down a twisty mountain road). | I see you are a fellow NYer. I can totally see this happening with a tie rod end or a connector piece just snapping or having a bolt come out hitting our crater like sized pot holes. Good thing you are okay! | 73 | 5 | 997 |
63dtws | 43 | Tesla Model X suspension quality issue. Passenger side front wheel snapped off. I was driving my Model X P90D on a local street 2 days ago. When I made a v-shaped right turn at the slow speed of 5 to 10 mi h I hit a very small pothole and heard a bang. There was no vibration at all so I didn t pay attention at the time. The car was driving perfectly normal for the rest of that day. I drove another 40 miles or so including 20 miles on the highway with 60+ mi h speed. The issue came up the next day when I was pulling my car out of the garage. I heard another bang when the car was backing and my steering became stiff. The car wouldn t move anymore. Then the suspension needs service warning came out the instrument panel. I came out and check the car found out that the ENTIRE FRONT WHEEL SNAPPED OFF! I m glad that it only happened to me at my garage but not on the highway. [picture of the wheel](http: imgur.com a L5Lnf) [another picture](http: imgur.com a fVdZ0) update: I don t think this would happen to any normal car. The pothole wasn t that big It s only 2 inches deep max. There was no repeated hard impacts. I wouldn t even say that particular impact was hard! I only had the car for 2 months and had only 1000 miles on it. update2: I ask the shop to send me some pictures of the damaged parts. Here they are: [damaged 1](http: imgur.com 6HGYw2a) [damaged 2](http: imgur.com RQ489Xw) | The NHTSA takes things like this very seriously - you should file a complaint here: https: www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov VehicleComplaint If this is a systemic problem an investigation can help Tesla identify the bad component(s) and conduct a recall. That way this can t happen to someone else at a more inconvenient time (say driving down a twisty mountain road). | Aaaaaaand it s totaled. | 73 | 9 | 998 |
63dtws | 43 | Tesla Model X suspension quality issue. Passenger side front wheel snapped off. I was driving my Model X P90D on a local street 2 days ago. When I made a v-shaped right turn at the slow speed of 5 to 10 mi h I hit a very small pothole and heard a bang. There was no vibration at all so I didn t pay attention at the time. The car was driving perfectly normal for the rest of that day. I drove another 40 miles or so including 20 miles on the highway with 60+ mi h speed. The issue came up the next day when I was pulling my car out of the garage. I heard another bang when the car was backing and my steering became stiff. The car wouldn t move anymore. Then the suspension needs service warning came out the instrument panel. I came out and check the car found out that the ENTIRE FRONT WHEEL SNAPPED OFF! I m glad that it only happened to me at my garage but not on the highway. [picture of the wheel](http: imgur.com a L5Lnf) [another picture](http: imgur.com a fVdZ0) update: I don t think this would happen to any normal car. The pothole wasn t that big It s only 2 inches deep max. There was no repeated hard impacts. I wouldn t even say that particular impact was hard! I only had the car for 2 months and had only 1000 miles on it. update2: I ask the shop to send me some pictures of the damaged parts. Here they are: [damaged 1](http: imgur.com 6HGYw2a) [damaged 2](http: imgur.com RQ489Xw) | The NHTSA takes things like this very seriously - you should file a complaint here: https: www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov VehicleComplaint If this is a systemic problem an investigation can help Tesla identify the bad component(s) and conduct a recall. That way this can t happen to someone else at a more inconvenient time (say driving down a twisty mountain road). | It doesn t look like it snapped off. It looks like the tie rod might have snapped or maybe the control arm. If it was the latter it was probably from repeated hard impacts but I feel like that would be pretty obvious. Tie rods on the other hand do break. Especially when maxed out and then shocked. Say while in a sharp turn at speed and hitting a pot hole just right. Either way there are three main components holding the front wheels where they are so this certainly isn t snapped off. I ll be interested in hearing what the shop says! | 73 | 12 | 999 |
63lp73 | 113 | Model 3 - Differences between initial prototype and release candidate Here s what we have so far: - Bumper [sensors](http: imgur.com Yz08vxP) - C pillar [cameras](http: i.imgur.com zGy3i5m.jpg)? Edit: This one has been [disproved by newer shots](https: i.imgur.com iQ8gbjn.jpg). - Headlights [off](http: imgur.com yjyavTQ) [On](http: imgur.com BPeasxr) - Nose changes? [This gif](http: imgur.com a TxYqi) by u NikonD3s may be the result of different focal lengths but shows a good comparison. Let s see if we can find an exact angle match. - Missing badging (obviously temporary) - AP 2 Cameras Edit 1 - Corner Marker lights (not sure what these are called?) [comparison](http: imgur.com qESed14) You can only see the corner but something is different. [Slightly better image of new fog marker](http: imgur.com QZD8TUK) - [Trunk comparison](http: imgur.com 8gdmX1Y) The tail light may be divided differently to open with the trunk. [Trunk comparison 2](http: imgur.com gxhroqW) This one shows a tail light divide in the prototype that isn t on the other side. Edit 2 (Thanks u Athabascad and u strejf) - Appears to be using the steering wheel from the ~~solar tile reveal~~ Friends and family event rather than the initial reveal (3 spoke vs 2 spoke) - Center screen [appears a tad thicker](http: imgur.com W0HCxUA) possibly Edit 3 (Thanks u ricbah) - [Steering column](http: imgur.com s3vsafC) has changed from the reveal version. Edit 4 (Good catch by u Jnbly) - [Rear middle headrest](http: imgur.com a jRLAx) has been removed. Good news for visibility! Edit 5 (u Jnbly noticed this one too) - Front seat [design has changed](http: imgur.com m4tivNT). Looks like they re adjustable now. What else has been noticed? I ll update this list. | Was just thinking - we re all hunting for trunk lines and realized - the panel gaps are so minuscule we re having a hard time making them out. Go Tesla! | Hard to tell if the trunk is different. The glare in that spot on the new photo may just be obscuring the gap seam between the top of the tail light and the bottom of the trunk for that little section. The way that whole area is designed it s impossible to know for sure if the actual opening has changed anyway. The trunk opening itself is underneath the frame and lid in a way that obscures how wide and deep it is. | 32 | 5 | 1,000 |
63s7rp | 49 | How much better can lithium ion battery tech get? I want to focus on conventional lithium ion tech I don t want to focus on the unlikely and far out lithium air or anything like that just what Tesla is already using in their cars which is conventional lithium ion tech. What s the current state of lithium ion what s the current energy density and what was it 10 years ago what about 10 years from now? How much more energy dense can they make conventional lithium Ion? If lithium ion truly is getting 5 to 7% denser every year then Tesla s new battery surely must be at least 30 to 40% denser than the previous one right? | We ll see what happens in the future but here s what s happened in the past. Energy density at the pack level: Year|Model|Pack energy|Pack weight|Pack energy density :--|:--|:--|:--|:-- 2008|Tesla Roadster|56 kWh|450 kg|124.4 Wh kg 2012|Tesla Model S 85|81.5 kWh|544 kg|149.8 Wh kg 2015|Tesla Roadster 3.0|80 kWh|525 kg|152.4 Wh kg 2015|Tesla Model S 90|85.8 kWh|Est. 549.5 kg|~156.1 Wh kg 2016|Tesla Model S 100|102.4 kWh|Est. 571.4 kg|~179.2 Wh kg -|-|-|-|- 2010|Nissan Leaf 24|23.4 kWh|294 kg|79.6 Wh kg 2013|Nissan Leaf 24 revision|Est. 23.4 kWh|275 kg|~85.1 Wh kg 2015|Nissan Leaf 30|30 kWh|296 kg|101.4 Wh kg -|-|-|-|- 2013|BMW i3 60Ah|21.6 kWh|233 kg|92.7 Wh kg 2016|BMW i3 94Ah|33 kWh|253 kg|130.4 Wh kg -|-|-|-|- 2012|Renault Zoe 22|25.92 kWh|280 kg|92.6 Wh kg 2016|Renault Zoe ZE40|Est. 43 kWh|305 kg|~141 Wh kg The manufacturers use different cells. Tesla s are a joint venture with Panasonic (except the Roadster 3.0 which uses LG Chem cells - these might be off-the-shelf) Nissan uses proprietary cells from the AESC partnership BMW uses Samsung SDI Renault uses LG Chem. Some of these energy density improvements will be coming from developments in the cells others will be coming from the pack design. Cell specs are harder to come by here are the ones I ve found to date. Year|Cell manufacturer|Model|Cell energy density :--|:--|:--|:-- 2008|Sanyo (Panasonic)-Tesla|Tesla Roadster|185 Wh kg 2009|Lithium Energy Japan|Mitsubishi i-Miev|109 Wh kg 2010|AESC|Nissan Leaf 24|140 Wh kg 2012|LG Chem|Renault Zoe|157 Wh kg 2012|Panasonic-Tesla|Tesla Model S|265 Wh kg 2014|Sanyo (Panasonic)|Volkswagen e-Golf|126 Wh kg 2016|Panasonic-Tesla|Tesla Model S 100 Electric GT|285 Wh kg 2017|Samsung SDI|Volkswagen e-Golf revision|187 Wh kg For reference Volkswagen s Sanyo-based batteries had pack-level density of 76.1 Wh kg. Something to bear in mind is that we re assuming all these cells are designed for maximum energy. Some particularly in hybrids are designed for power and heat tolerance at the expense of energy so their energy density is lower. For example the LaFerrari s Samsung pack is a miniscule 33.3 Wh kg but it can put out 120 kW of power from 2.2 kWh of cells. That s a 54.5C discharge apparently without overheating whereas a Model S P100D can do 5.6C and only for brief periods. Final thing if anyone has any weight capacity data for Nissan s 1990s lithium-ion EV batteries please post a link it d be very interesting. | Tesla hasn t release the specs and no independent hacker has tested the new batteries yet (as far as I m aware). It s also possible that the 21-70 s in the energy products may have a different formulation that the ones that will be in the vehicle products. And none of the vehicle batteries are in the publics hands yet. It will be very interesting to see what the new specs are. | 54 | 5 | 1,001 |
63s7rp | 49 | How much better can lithium ion battery tech get? I want to focus on conventional lithium ion tech I don t want to focus on the unlikely and far out lithium air or anything like that just what Tesla is already using in their cars which is conventional lithium ion tech. What s the current state of lithium ion what s the current energy density and what was it 10 years ago what about 10 years from now? How much more energy dense can they make conventional lithium Ion? If lithium ion truly is getting 5 to 7% denser every year then Tesla s new battery surely must be at least 30 to 40% denser than the previous one right? | We ll see what happens in the future but here s what s happened in the past. Energy density at the pack level: Year|Model|Pack energy|Pack weight|Pack energy density :--|:--|:--|:--|:-- 2008|Tesla Roadster|56 kWh|450 kg|124.4 Wh kg 2012|Tesla Model S 85|81.5 kWh|544 kg|149.8 Wh kg 2015|Tesla Roadster 3.0|80 kWh|525 kg|152.4 Wh kg 2015|Tesla Model S 90|85.8 kWh|Est. 549.5 kg|~156.1 Wh kg 2016|Tesla Model S 100|102.4 kWh|Est. 571.4 kg|~179.2 Wh kg -|-|-|-|- 2010|Nissan Leaf 24|23.4 kWh|294 kg|79.6 Wh kg 2013|Nissan Leaf 24 revision|Est. 23.4 kWh|275 kg|~85.1 Wh kg 2015|Nissan Leaf 30|30 kWh|296 kg|101.4 Wh kg -|-|-|-|- 2013|BMW i3 60Ah|21.6 kWh|233 kg|92.7 Wh kg 2016|BMW i3 94Ah|33 kWh|253 kg|130.4 Wh kg -|-|-|-|- 2012|Renault Zoe 22|25.92 kWh|280 kg|92.6 Wh kg 2016|Renault Zoe ZE40|Est. 43 kWh|305 kg|~141 Wh kg The manufacturers use different cells. Tesla s are a joint venture with Panasonic (except the Roadster 3.0 which uses LG Chem cells - these might be off-the-shelf) Nissan uses proprietary cells from the AESC partnership BMW uses Samsung SDI Renault uses LG Chem. Some of these energy density improvements will be coming from developments in the cells others will be coming from the pack design. Cell specs are harder to come by here are the ones I ve found to date. Year|Cell manufacturer|Model|Cell energy density :--|:--|:--|:-- 2008|Sanyo (Panasonic)-Tesla|Tesla Roadster|185 Wh kg 2009|Lithium Energy Japan|Mitsubishi i-Miev|109 Wh kg 2010|AESC|Nissan Leaf 24|140 Wh kg 2012|LG Chem|Renault Zoe|157 Wh kg 2012|Panasonic-Tesla|Tesla Model S|265 Wh kg 2014|Sanyo (Panasonic)|Volkswagen e-Golf|126 Wh kg 2016|Panasonic-Tesla|Tesla Model S 100 Electric GT|285 Wh kg 2017|Samsung SDI|Volkswagen e-Golf revision|187 Wh kg For reference Volkswagen s Sanyo-based batteries had pack-level density of 76.1 Wh kg. Something to bear in mind is that we re assuming all these cells are designed for maximum energy. Some particularly in hybrids are designed for power and heat tolerance at the expense of energy so their energy density is lower. For example the LaFerrari s Samsung pack is a miniscule 33.3 Wh kg but it can put out 120 kW of power from 2.2 kWh of cells. That s a 54.5C discharge apparently without overheating whereas a Model S P100D can do 5.6C and only for brief periods. Final thing if anyone has any weight capacity data for Nissan s 1990s lithium-ion EV batteries please post a link it d be very interesting. | [Inventor of lithium ion battery makes an even better battery.](http: electrek.co 2017 03 01 li-ion-battery-inventor-solid-state-battery-breakthrough ) | 54 | 5 | 1,002 |
63s7rp | 49 | How much better can lithium ion battery tech get? I want to focus on conventional lithium ion tech I don t want to focus on the unlikely and far out lithium air or anything like that just what Tesla is already using in their cars which is conventional lithium ion tech. What s the current state of lithium ion what s the current energy density and what was it 10 years ago what about 10 years from now? How much more energy dense can they make conventional lithium Ion? If lithium ion truly is getting 5 to 7% denser every year then Tesla s new battery surely must be at least 30 to 40% denser than the previous one right? | We ll see what happens in the future but here s what s happened in the past. Energy density at the pack level: Year|Model|Pack energy|Pack weight|Pack energy density :--|:--|:--|:--|:-- 2008|Tesla Roadster|56 kWh|450 kg|124.4 Wh kg 2012|Tesla Model S 85|81.5 kWh|544 kg|149.8 Wh kg 2015|Tesla Roadster 3.0|80 kWh|525 kg|152.4 Wh kg 2015|Tesla Model S 90|85.8 kWh|Est. 549.5 kg|~156.1 Wh kg 2016|Tesla Model S 100|102.4 kWh|Est. 571.4 kg|~179.2 Wh kg -|-|-|-|- 2010|Nissan Leaf 24|23.4 kWh|294 kg|79.6 Wh kg 2013|Nissan Leaf 24 revision|Est. 23.4 kWh|275 kg|~85.1 Wh kg 2015|Nissan Leaf 30|30 kWh|296 kg|101.4 Wh kg -|-|-|-|- 2013|BMW i3 60Ah|21.6 kWh|233 kg|92.7 Wh kg 2016|BMW i3 94Ah|33 kWh|253 kg|130.4 Wh kg -|-|-|-|- 2012|Renault Zoe 22|25.92 kWh|280 kg|92.6 Wh kg 2016|Renault Zoe ZE40|Est. 43 kWh|305 kg|~141 Wh kg The manufacturers use different cells. Tesla s are a joint venture with Panasonic (except the Roadster 3.0 which uses LG Chem cells - these might be off-the-shelf) Nissan uses proprietary cells from the AESC partnership BMW uses Samsung SDI Renault uses LG Chem. Some of these energy density improvements will be coming from developments in the cells others will be coming from the pack design. Cell specs are harder to come by here are the ones I ve found to date. Year|Cell manufacturer|Model|Cell energy density :--|:--|:--|:-- 2008|Sanyo (Panasonic)-Tesla|Tesla Roadster|185 Wh kg 2009|Lithium Energy Japan|Mitsubishi i-Miev|109 Wh kg 2010|AESC|Nissan Leaf 24|140 Wh kg 2012|LG Chem|Renault Zoe|157 Wh kg 2012|Panasonic-Tesla|Tesla Model S|265 Wh kg 2014|Sanyo (Panasonic)|Volkswagen e-Golf|126 Wh kg 2016|Panasonic-Tesla|Tesla Model S 100 Electric GT|285 Wh kg 2017|Samsung SDI|Volkswagen e-Golf revision|187 Wh kg For reference Volkswagen s Sanyo-based batteries had pack-level density of 76.1 Wh kg. Something to bear in mind is that we re assuming all these cells are designed for maximum energy. Some particularly in hybrids are designed for power and heat tolerance at the expense of energy so their energy density is lower. For example the LaFerrari s Samsung pack is a miniscule 33.3 Wh kg but it can put out 120 kW of power from 2.2 kWh of cells. That s a 54.5C discharge apparently without overheating whereas a Model S P100D can do 5.6C and only for brief periods. Final thing if anyone has any weight capacity data for Nissan s 1990s lithium-ion EV batteries please post a link it d be very interesting. | Just because Tesla has been improving the batteries they use in their cars roughly 5% a year doesn t mean that the battery technology is going to improve that much every year eventually you run into hard physics limitations. But yea taking actual laptop batteries and powering a car off them was a novel idea and they slowly have gotten better at making the cells more energy dense over time. http: electrek.co 2016 11 14 tesla-model-3-battery-energy-density-model-s There is a video out there where it s A Tesla presentation where they talk more on the science on how they were able to make their new cell design 30% more energy dense than the old cells they had been using. Packing the cell tighter is some of it better manufacturing is some of it more efficient chemical reaction is some of it. Edit: http: www.businessinsider.com how-teslas-batteries-could-go-further-2016-9 Another good article to read. They re close to maxed out on current technology but tech is always improving. | 54 | 16 | 1,003 |
643eyq | 683 | There was a day in March when California produced so much renewable energy that wholesale prices went negative. First time it happened. Milestone that will usher storage. California had so much renewable energy on March 11 that power prices fell below $0 per MWh. https: electrek.co 2017 04 07 solar-power-breaks-50-of-california-demand-for-first-time-driving-negative-wholesale-electricity-rates https: www.eia.gov todayinenergy detail.php?id=30692#tab1 It was a lost opportunity to store the excess energy. Capturing the moments of surplus is going to be a market for Tesla Energy due to the (inevitable) rise of solar generation in California. | Happens almost every night in Ontario Canada. We have 60% nuclear. Also any time there are strong winds cost goes to zero. See price chart. http: www.ieso.ca power-data It s not good. Since the price is zero we still need to pay the contracts. Our global adjustment is about 12¢ per kw h. | Happens every now and then in Germany... http: www.spiegel.de wirtschaft unternehmen negative-strompreise-zunehmend-haeufiger-a-1092088.html Left chart shows amount of days that happens includes Austria and Luxenbourg for some reason. Mh | 92 | 16 | 1,004 |
64vt39 | 37 | Model X - Too much to ask? My wife and I have a Model S and we really really like the Model X but want to test it out for a day or two and make sure it s something we want. Anyone in the Carlsbad area have a Model X they are willing to let us try out. I hate being that guy and I understand I will probably get down voted but you never know until you ask. We live in the Carlsbad Village area in Southern California. Thanks! EDIT: Thanks everyone for the responses! I talked with my local SC and they said at the moment they did not have any Model X in stock to try out! | Contact Teslas sales. If you re seriously considering they ll arrange an extended test drive. | Try talking to your nearest tesla store about trying one out. Put down a deposit to show them you re serious. Then use me for a referral code when you buy cause you re gonna love it. | 39 | 9 | 1,005 |
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