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nw8zsa | 29 | Which aftermarket accessories and companies would you not recommend? I just had my first bad experience with an aftermarket spoiler by Basenor which fit poorly and ultimately wouldn t adhere to my car. I d like to see if anyone else has had similar bad experiences with any aftermarket products in particular or companies in general? This would be helpful info for all of us! | RPMtesla. 200% markup for the same stuff as what comes from basenor taptes etc plus slow shipping. | I was going to get the same one for my mode 3.. did they replace it for you? | 40 | 3 | 8,606 |
nw8zsa | 29 | Which aftermarket accessories and companies would you not recommend? I just had my first bad experience with an aftermarket spoiler by Basenor which fit poorly and ultimately wouldn t adhere to my car. I d like to see if anyone else has had similar bad experiences with any aftermarket products in particular or companies in general? This would be helpful info for all of us! | RPMtesla. 200% markup for the same stuff as what comes from basenor taptes etc plus slow shipping. | Taptes for front trunk and rear trunk well covers. They were shipped folded in a box(?!?) and essentially arrived useless as well as deformed ugly. Rear trunk cover was fine though curiously. Despite being far larger and in the same box. Madness i tells ya. Side note ordered these the day after the car. They arrived the day before the car about 6 weeks later. | 40 | 5 | 8,607 |
nw8zsa | 29 | Which aftermarket accessories and companies would you not recommend? I just had my first bad experience with an aftermarket spoiler by Basenor which fit poorly and ultimately wouldn t adhere to my car. I d like to see if anyone else has had similar bad experiences with any aftermarket products in particular or companies in general? This would be helpful info for all of us! | RPMtesla. 200% markup for the same stuff as what comes from basenor taptes etc plus slow shipping. | It s been hit and miss with baesnor. Door trim worked great but the console wrap is awful. Get the hard plastic piece. So much easier and cleaner looking. The mud flaps were.... awful but it did save my car from chipped paint | 40 | 6 | 8,608 |
nwriiz | 197 | Tesla Event June 10th 7pm PST Prediction Thread Predict what s happening tonight! Lots of surprises expected and maybe a teaser of Roadster Space X Edition! Or do you think there will be other news solar or battery related? Who knows but hopefully there are some big highlights instead of just Check out this video showing how fast the car is . Share in the comments! | Here s what I think is most likely to happen: It will start late. The remarks will last 20 minutes or less. Elon will discuss details of the Plaid Model S fulfilling his promise from the Q1 conference call: * 18650 cells with new chemistry new pack design * four megacastings one at each of the four wheel well housings * deep dive of the new tri-motor powertrain and carbon sleeved rotors full power available all the way to top speed * live demonstrations of the 0-60 time * PS5 level in-car gaming including a special Tesla version of The Witcher * v11 software comes with all new Model S deliveries rolling out to the rest of the fleet in 2 weeks * no updates about Cybertruck Roadster Semi 4680 * Model X Plaid will be available in the fall There will be test drives of the Model S Plaid. Approximately 50-100 owners will take delivery of their car that night. There will be no one more thing. | I m hoping for something good | 312 | 2 | 8,609 |
nwriiz | 197 | Tesla Event June 10th 7pm PST Prediction Thread Predict what s happening tonight! Lots of surprises expected and maybe a teaser of Roadster Space X Edition! Or do you think there will be other news solar or battery related? Who knows but hopefully there are some big highlights instead of just Check out this video showing how fast the car is . Share in the comments! | Here s what I think is most likely to happen: It will start late. The remarks will last 20 minutes or less. Elon will discuss details of the Plaid Model S fulfilling his promise from the Q1 conference call: * 18650 cells with new chemistry new pack design * four megacastings one at each of the four wheel well housings * deep dive of the new tri-motor powertrain and carbon sleeved rotors full power available all the way to top speed * live demonstrations of the 0-60 time * PS5 level in-car gaming including a special Tesla version of The Witcher * v11 software comes with all new Model S deliveries rolling out to the rest of the fleet in 2 weeks * no updates about Cybertruck Roadster Semi 4680 * Model X Plaid will be available in the fall There will be test drives of the Model S Plaid. Approximately 50-100 owners will take delivery of their car that night. There will be no one more thing. | Lots of orders of magnitude | 312 | 2 | 8,610 |
nwriiz | 197 | Tesla Event June 10th 7pm PST Prediction Thread Predict what s happening tonight! Lots of surprises expected and maybe a teaser of Roadster Space X Edition! Or do you think there will be other news solar or battery related? Who knows but hopefully there are some big highlights instead of just Check out this video showing how fast the car is . Share in the comments! | Here s what I think is most likely to happen: It will start late. The remarks will last 20 minutes or less. Elon will discuss details of the Plaid Model S fulfilling his promise from the Q1 conference call: * 18650 cells with new chemistry new pack design * four megacastings one at each of the four wheel well housings * deep dive of the new tri-motor powertrain and carbon sleeved rotors full power available all the way to top speed * live demonstrations of the 0-60 time * PS5 level in-car gaming including a special Tesla version of The Witcher * v11 software comes with all new Model S deliveries rolling out to the rest of the fleet in 2 weeks * no updates about Cybertruck Roadster Semi 4680 * Model X Plaid will be available in the fall There will be test drives of the Model S Plaid. Approximately 50-100 owners will take delivery of their car that night. There will be no one more thing. | Maybe they will launch another game maybe some Dogecoin related stuff. I protect my sanity by not believing in the 500+ mile range rumors. | 312 | 4 | 8,611 |
nwzyfg | 325 | Tesla Event Megathread - Only thing beyond Ludicrous is Plaid ## Welcome to the Tesla Plaid Event Megathread! [Official Livestream](https: livestream.tesla.com) | [Direct YouTube Link](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=kUmkbzQ-BS0) Other Links: [r TeslaMotors Discord Live Chat](https: discord.gg tesla) [Tesla Daily Podcast Livestream](https: youtu.be Lzy7oMRe9T4) [Tesla Owners Online Livestream](https: youtu.be hV7_GgfXQWc) Only thing beyond Ludicrous is Plaid. | Did the crowd just bully Elon into implementing waypoints? Lmao | RELEASE FSD BETA! | 244 | 2 | 8,612 |
nwzyfg | 325 | Tesla Event Megathread - Only thing beyond Ludicrous is Plaid ## Welcome to the Tesla Plaid Event Megathread! [Official Livestream](https: livestream.tesla.com) | [Direct YouTube Link](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=kUmkbzQ-BS0) Other Links: [r TeslaMotors Discord Live Chat](https: discord.gg tesla) [Tesla Daily Podcast Livestream](https: youtu.be Lzy7oMRe9T4) [Tesla Owners Online Livestream](https: youtu.be hV7_GgfXQWc) Only thing beyond Ludicrous is Plaid. | Did the crowd just bully Elon into implementing waypoints? Lmao | They ll likely demo the space x package today | 244 | 2 | 8,613 |
nwzyfg | 325 | Tesla Event Megathread - Only thing beyond Ludicrous is Plaid ## Welcome to the Tesla Plaid Event Megathread! [Official Livestream](https: livestream.tesla.com) | [Direct YouTube Link](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=kUmkbzQ-BS0) Other Links: [r TeslaMotors Discord Live Chat](https: discord.gg tesla) [Tesla Daily Podcast Livestream](https: youtu.be Lzy7oMRe9T4) [Tesla Owners Online Livestream](https: youtu.be hV7_GgfXQWc) Only thing beyond Ludicrous is Plaid. | Did the crowd just bully Elon into implementing waypoints? Lmao | The music sounds kinda deadmau5-ish | 244 | 2 | 8,614 |
nxht75 | 179 | Nem Model S Battery Higher Voltage (450V) According to the new user manual the new pack nominal voltage is 450 V assuming a 3.6 V nominal cell voltage this means that the new pack is 125S ( 125 cells in series) instead of the old 96S ( 96 cells in series. This would mean a peak voltage of around 518 V to 525 V This may be wrong since labels we have seen on Supercharger V3 stalls suggests a maximum of 500 V but hey we know how Tesla push things outside of spec routinely & #x200B https: preview.redd.it 19q5rc6hgn471.png?width=715& format=png& auto=webp& s=be5d4d6b167322678bb89b02712f9269f4c6dd18 On Supercharges V3 I have seen a peak of 680 A ([https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Zx59coh\\_8I4& t=234s& ab\\_channel=Bj%C3%B8rnNylandBj%C3%B8rnNylandVerificado](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Zx59coh_8I4& t=234s& ab_channel=Bj%C3%B8rnNylandBj%C3%B8rnNylandVerificado)) So extrapolating from that we could see a peak of 325 kW on a Supercharger V3 if the new pack can take it I believe it can because if you take a Model 3 pack and extrapolate to a 100 kWh pack this would mean 333 kW of peak charging speed Looking forward to tests on it | This is a good hypothesis. Model 3 s nominal voltage is listed as [360V](https: www.tesla.com sites default files model_3_owners_manual_north_america_en.pdf#page=189) and is also 96s 46p so 450V is an exact 25% more making a 120 cells in series configuration most likely. This is probably how they got the power curve they were looking for. I ve found no official (EPA CARB) sources with stats on the Plaid s battery pack capacity except for [this window sticker](https: i.redd.it 36j1hs081k471.jpg) for the Plaid with 21 arachnid wheels getting 405 miles and 120 MPGe. Comparing that to the [2021 Model S Performance \\(19 and 21 \\)](https: www.fueleconomy.gov feg Find.do?action=sbs& id=43516& id=43517) those cars with their ratings both work out to 117-118 kWh (AC recharge capacity the EPA includes AC charging losses in their efficiency numbers). This matches the EPA [certificate of conformity](https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub display_file.jsp?docid=51337& flag=1) for 2021 Model S Performance which lists 118.3 kWh AC recharge and 103.9 kWh DC discharge. Putting in the Plaid s numbers gets us a pack with 113.7 kWh AC recharge energy which is 4% less than the current Model S Performance but the [2020 Model S Long Range Plus](https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub display_file.jsp?docid=49393& flag=1) also showed 112.9 kWh AC recharge and 99.6 kWh DC discharge and the [2017 Model S 100D](https: iaspub.epa.gov otaqpub display_file.jsp?docid=39835& flag=1) showed 113.2 kWh AC recharge and 96.8 kWh DC discharge so the new pack is within a few percent of all previous longest range performance models of Model S. | If any mod can fix the title I would a appreciate was too excited u 110110 | 45 | 9 | 8,615 |
nz202k | 142 | Yoke driving adventures #2 Here is an update on getting acclimated to the yoke. It s still been less than 72 hrs but it feels like a lot less mental work. I ve stopped reaching for the turn signal stalk and have a better idea what to do with my hands. Overall it feels like good progress. [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-hK6JNrk A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-hK6JNrk A) | The indicator buttons are straight-up unusable in roundabouts thanks for confirming that. Right when you would need to indicate leaving the roundabout you are turning the wheel and the buttons move all over the place making it impossible to hit them. Given the frequent roundabouts around here that alone would mean I would never buy a car with this setup and that s before even considering the questionable yoke shape itself. | Can the horn only be activate by pressing that tiny horn button or can you also activate by pressing the large center area of the yoke? | 62 | 2 | 8,616 |
nz202k | 142 | Yoke driving adventures #2 Here is an update on getting acclimated to the yoke. It s still been less than 72 hrs but it feels like a lot less mental work. I ve stopped reaching for the turn signal stalk and have a better idea what to do with my hands. Overall it feels like good progress. [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-hK6JNrk A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-hK6JNrk A) | The indicator buttons are straight-up unusable in roundabouts thanks for confirming that. Right when you would need to indicate leaving the roundabout you are turning the wheel and the buttons move all over the place making it impossible to hit them. Given the frequent roundabouts around here that alone would mean I would never buy a car with this setup and that s before even considering the questionable yoke shape itself. | One point I haven t seen anyone mention regarding the round yoke debate is why are people so attached to having a wheel between them and important gauge screen info? I didn t realize how much I loved the 3 s info on the upper left of the center screen until I test drove an old X and had the steering wheel between me and the speedometer navigation. (I have a reservation for a new X.) I don t know if I ll like steering with the yoke better or worse but I know I ll love the uninterrupted view of the driver s screen. | 62 | 3 | 8,617 |
nz202k | 142 | Yoke driving adventures #2 Here is an update on getting acclimated to the yoke. It s still been less than 72 hrs but it feels like a lot less mental work. I ve stopped reaching for the turn signal stalk and have a better idea what to do with my hands. Overall it feels like good progress. [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-hK6JNrk A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-hK6JNrk A) | The indicator buttons are straight-up unusable in roundabouts thanks for confirming that. Right when you would need to indicate leaving the roundabout you are turning the wheel and the buttons move all over the place making it impossible to hit them. Given the frequent roundabouts around here that alone would mean I would never buy a car with this setup and that s before even considering the questionable yoke shape itself. | I d like to see someone try a push pull style steering style with the yoke. Right turn: - Left hand push from 9 to 12 - Meet right hand at 12 and exchange - right hand pull from 12 to 6 - Meet left hand at 6 and exchange - Left hand can push again from 6 up to 12 if necessary Reverse for left turns... Pushing pulling to 6 12 positions and steering that way only. You pretty much only ever have one hand on the wheel at any given time during a turn though. | 62 | 7 | 8,618 |
nzcb77 | 70 | Accepted Delivery of my 2021 Model Y but... So first off I do think the car will be nice to have at some point in the future but the experience I have had over the last several months after purchasing this luxury SUV (per insurance) has been crap compared to the level of service at other car companies. The ordering process - 3 full months from deposit to delivery. Online was easy but follow up? Nope. Nada. To this day the Tesla Advisor I was assigned has never spoken to me or replied to my emails or calls. The assistant advisor would respond to my emails but neither was proactive in informing me of my delivery date changes. I d see a date change in the system on a Monday and let it go until Friday when I d email asking about if I needed to provide anything else and then the assistant advisor would respond. Neither notified me when it was time for actual Delivery. That was an entirely new person who texted me and provided a number and extension that when called directed me to a mailbox that had not been set up and could not receive voicemail. Eventually after some texts and phone tag we connected and confirmed everything was set. Touchless delivery sucks. Finding my car was ok...but finding it with 40% battery and a bunch of tesla chargers that were out of order at the Dublin CA Tesla station was a huge let down especially as this is my first EV. I eventually found a staff person to direct me to a working charger. Thank you Dustin! I ve never bought an ICE car from a dealership that didn t provide me with a full gas tank I had assumed an electric car would have been provided with at least 80% or more charge. Stress. I ve never ordered a car and then heard on the news about how it s going to come with less features than before and no one neither of the advisors reach out to tell me about the lack of Radar or Lumbar support. Neither was a big deal to me...but no one at Tesla ever contacted me not even a simple email letting me know the change...WTF? Also I m really glad I watched a bunch of YouTube videos about the car prior or I never would have known how to work stuff. Not a deal breaker but again had I been at BMW even with COVID they would have been more helpful and had someone in a mask to show me about the car. I know this because my wife and I have owned several BMWs and have a newer one she s recently acquired. Autopilot and other features. I currently have a display message about some features being disabled until a future software update. I m at 75 miles driven and the calibration is at a sliver away from 100% so maybe 97-99% done. I m in California and drove it up and down Highway 680 \\~34 miles from Dublin to Antioch (parked at home and let it update) and then drove around Antioch Concord and Pittsburg over the next few hours on both normal streets and Highway 4 as we ran errands and did some “fun driving”. Overall. The car looks great. It drives well. The energy seems very efficient. However I would never recommend to my friends to buy a $60k or more Tesla based on my experience without letting them know first that it s a very nice car but expect nothing in the way of customer service. Nothing in the way of follow up from reps and expect to do everything yourself and pay at delivery to charge your car because they won t do it for you. Sentiment. I m a little miffed at all this but again I do think it s a great looking car that runs well and hopefully after some updates will drive a lot better. If not I can always trade it in for an electric BMW or Ford next year. | Maybe it s because I m old but I ll take radio-silence semi-dysfunctional delivery all day long over having to sit in that claustrophobia-inducing little pompous finance guy s office at the legacy dealer that smells like cigarettes and cheap cologne *every* time I bought a car arguing over paperwork fees rustproofing extended warranties credit life insurance glass etching gap insurance wheel insurance fabric protection key insurance and all the other crap they try to slide into your financing. EDIT: [remember the good old days .](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=B2LLB9CGfLs) | Sales advisors are hit or miss. The one assigned to me was okay in beginning but vanished as we head into delivery. I called sales and just got someone else to help me who s been much more helpful and knowledgeable. I requested they charge to 80% in advance. I reminded them 3 times this week about it .. We ll see tomorrow if they did...but I won t count on it since as of early this evening they didn t even do the inspection of it after it arrived on the truck Friday. They assured me it will be taken care of before I get there at 1030am. They said only one other person taking delivery at 1030a with me so they ll have time. They have no idea why I can t sign the paperwork make final payment in my account. They said it s a glitch and I can just pay when I get there and sign if it don t show up by then. | 123 | 4 | 8,619 |
nzcb77 | 70 | Accepted Delivery of my 2021 Model Y but... So first off I do think the car will be nice to have at some point in the future but the experience I have had over the last several months after purchasing this luxury SUV (per insurance) has been crap compared to the level of service at other car companies. The ordering process - 3 full months from deposit to delivery. Online was easy but follow up? Nope. Nada. To this day the Tesla Advisor I was assigned has never spoken to me or replied to my emails or calls. The assistant advisor would respond to my emails but neither was proactive in informing me of my delivery date changes. I d see a date change in the system on a Monday and let it go until Friday when I d email asking about if I needed to provide anything else and then the assistant advisor would respond. Neither notified me when it was time for actual Delivery. That was an entirely new person who texted me and provided a number and extension that when called directed me to a mailbox that had not been set up and could not receive voicemail. Eventually after some texts and phone tag we connected and confirmed everything was set. Touchless delivery sucks. Finding my car was ok...but finding it with 40% battery and a bunch of tesla chargers that were out of order at the Dublin CA Tesla station was a huge let down especially as this is my first EV. I eventually found a staff person to direct me to a working charger. Thank you Dustin! I ve never bought an ICE car from a dealership that didn t provide me with a full gas tank I had assumed an electric car would have been provided with at least 80% or more charge. Stress. I ve never ordered a car and then heard on the news about how it s going to come with less features than before and no one neither of the advisors reach out to tell me about the lack of Radar or Lumbar support. Neither was a big deal to me...but no one at Tesla ever contacted me not even a simple email letting me know the change...WTF? Also I m really glad I watched a bunch of YouTube videos about the car prior or I never would have known how to work stuff. Not a deal breaker but again had I been at BMW even with COVID they would have been more helpful and had someone in a mask to show me about the car. I know this because my wife and I have owned several BMWs and have a newer one she s recently acquired. Autopilot and other features. I currently have a display message about some features being disabled until a future software update. I m at 75 miles driven and the calibration is at a sliver away from 100% so maybe 97-99% done. I m in California and drove it up and down Highway 680 \\~34 miles from Dublin to Antioch (parked at home and let it update) and then drove around Antioch Concord and Pittsburg over the next few hours on both normal streets and Highway 4 as we ran errands and did some “fun driving”. Overall. The car looks great. It drives well. The energy seems very efficient. However I would never recommend to my friends to buy a $60k or more Tesla based on my experience without letting them know first that it s a very nice car but expect nothing in the way of customer service. Nothing in the way of follow up from reps and expect to do everything yourself and pay at delivery to charge your car because they won t do it for you. Sentiment. I m a little miffed at all this but again I do think it s a great looking car that runs well and hopefully after some updates will drive a lot better. If not I can always trade it in for an electric BMW or Ford next year. | Maybe it s because I m old but I ll take radio-silence semi-dysfunctional delivery all day long over having to sit in that claustrophobia-inducing little pompous finance guy s office at the legacy dealer that smells like cigarettes and cheap cologne *every* time I bought a car arguing over paperwork fees rustproofing extended warranties credit life insurance glass etching gap insurance wheel insurance fabric protection key insurance and all the other crap they try to slide into your financing. EDIT: [remember the good old days .](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=B2LLB9CGfLs) | I always read these testimonies and just wonder that people even want that stuff. I didn t talk to anyone. Ordered on the web site got a few automated emails about all the process details and never talked to a human being for 55 days until they called the day before delivery to confirm. And... it was fine. That s what I wanted. What do you really want a human being to do anyway? Tell you different lies than the computer does about a delivery date that we all know they can t predict well? FWIW: the notification of the radar removal was abundantly clear you had to read through it and agree before scheduling delivery. Would it really have been different via email? I mean obviously people *do* want this kind of hand-holding and equally obviously it s not Tesla s culture. I m just surprised at the mismatch. | 123 | 22 | 8,620 |
nzcb77 | 70 | Accepted Delivery of my 2021 Model Y but... So first off I do think the car will be nice to have at some point in the future but the experience I have had over the last several months after purchasing this luxury SUV (per insurance) has been crap compared to the level of service at other car companies. The ordering process - 3 full months from deposit to delivery. Online was easy but follow up? Nope. Nada. To this day the Tesla Advisor I was assigned has never spoken to me or replied to my emails or calls. The assistant advisor would respond to my emails but neither was proactive in informing me of my delivery date changes. I d see a date change in the system on a Monday and let it go until Friday when I d email asking about if I needed to provide anything else and then the assistant advisor would respond. Neither notified me when it was time for actual Delivery. That was an entirely new person who texted me and provided a number and extension that when called directed me to a mailbox that had not been set up and could not receive voicemail. Eventually after some texts and phone tag we connected and confirmed everything was set. Touchless delivery sucks. Finding my car was ok...but finding it with 40% battery and a bunch of tesla chargers that were out of order at the Dublin CA Tesla station was a huge let down especially as this is my first EV. I eventually found a staff person to direct me to a working charger. Thank you Dustin! I ve never bought an ICE car from a dealership that didn t provide me with a full gas tank I had assumed an electric car would have been provided with at least 80% or more charge. Stress. I ve never ordered a car and then heard on the news about how it s going to come with less features than before and no one neither of the advisors reach out to tell me about the lack of Radar or Lumbar support. Neither was a big deal to me...but no one at Tesla ever contacted me not even a simple email letting me know the change...WTF? Also I m really glad I watched a bunch of YouTube videos about the car prior or I never would have known how to work stuff. Not a deal breaker but again had I been at BMW even with COVID they would have been more helpful and had someone in a mask to show me about the car. I know this because my wife and I have owned several BMWs and have a newer one she s recently acquired. Autopilot and other features. I currently have a display message about some features being disabled until a future software update. I m at 75 miles driven and the calibration is at a sliver away from 100% so maybe 97-99% done. I m in California and drove it up and down Highway 680 \\~34 miles from Dublin to Antioch (parked at home and let it update) and then drove around Antioch Concord and Pittsburg over the next few hours on both normal streets and Highway 4 as we ran errands and did some “fun driving”. Overall. The car looks great. It drives well. The energy seems very efficient. However I would never recommend to my friends to buy a $60k or more Tesla based on my experience without letting them know first that it s a very nice car but expect nothing in the way of customer service. Nothing in the way of follow up from reps and expect to do everything yourself and pay at delivery to charge your car because they won t do it for you. Sentiment. I m a little miffed at all this but again I do think it s a great looking car that runs well and hopefully after some updates will drive a lot better. If not I can always trade it in for an electric BMW or Ford next year. | Maybe it s because I m old but I ll take radio-silence semi-dysfunctional delivery all day long over having to sit in that claustrophobia-inducing little pompous finance guy s office at the legacy dealer that smells like cigarettes and cheap cologne *every* time I bought a car arguing over paperwork fees rustproofing extended warranties credit life insurance glass etching gap insurance wheel insurance fabric protection key insurance and all the other crap they try to slide into your financing. EDIT: [remember the good old days .](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=B2LLB9CGfLs) | My SA has been terrible as well. I always just call in to Tesla customer service and get better assisted then my SA ever has. I try to call text him to make changes to my order or get information and I always get a faster response from customer service. They lack incentive from my experience | 123 | 27 | 8,621 |
nzu1zh | 7,203 | I feel like Tesla s communication around the Model S Plaid has been extremely dishonest. I feel like Tesla s communication around the Model S plaid has been extremely dishonest and I want to give some examples. **0-60times LR vs Plaid** On tesla.com the 0-60 times are given as 3.1s for the LR and 1.99s for Plaid. *However* when you look at the fine print (and that only shows when clicking on feature details) you see that Tesla has With first foot of rollout subtracted but *only* for the Plaid making this an apples to oranges comparison. If you were to also subtract rollout from the LR times the two numbers would actually be much closer so Tesla is intentionally making the performance gap seem bigger than it is. **The screen tilt** Tesla advertises on the Model S pages that the center screen tilts but now it has come to light that this is something that is not available right now and supposedly comes in a software update. You cannot actually move the screen even manually. There was no mention anywhere that this feature will come later. And by knowing Tesla s timelines this might as well be 2 years away. ** The car shifts by itself ** Elon has tweeted a lot about how the car shifts itself and many news outlets reported on how you don t have to shift manually anymore. Now we know the car can only shift out of park by itself and this is also a **beta** feature which is arguably one of Tesla s tricks to not have to claim liability. You still have to shift gears to do 3 way turns or to park using the onscreen shifter. **The gaming capabilities** The product page of the Model S shows the Witcher 3 and the event they demoed Cyberpunk. None of these games are in the car and there is no communication if or when they will be available. The Product page also shows a game loaded on the rear screen. It is not possible to start games on the rear screen as of now. **The Plaid+ cancelation** Plaid+ was canceled because Plaid is too good No one needs more than 400 miles . Both of these statements are quite dubious and it is clear that Tesla is hiding *something* here maybe not enough orders or maybe problems with manufacturing the new cells. I am a Tesla owner and generally very happy and still think that Tesla is the best EV manufacturer but I must say that I become increasingly frustrated with the stuff coming out of Elon s mouth because at this point I just have to stop believing everything he says. | Tesla owner here. I purchased autopilot and was up sold to FSD because it was months away. The car would drive from LA to NYC hands free soon after. This was the end 2016 early 2017 I ve learned that you are buying what you have. Don t assume anything is coming. That s why I didn t buy FSD for my next Tesla and told all my referrals to save their money. | I m sure the advertised features will come but I think you are right and they released a car that is not complete. The same as the S that were released in 2016 with AP2.0 hardware but couldn t even do basic autopilot until October 2017 and then took a further \\~2 years before it was on par with AP1.0. I can t believe the line was shut down for half a year. I have to think that some of that was due to the pandemic supply constraints but we are also seeing the software wasn t completed. We were early adopters of the Model 3 getting ours almost 4 years ago. The first time we ever saw one in real life was when we picked it up. Not doing that again so I am going to wait until they release a 500 mile S before replacing our P100D the originally promised Plaid+. | 1,427 | 11 | 8,622 |
nzu1zh | 7,203 | I feel like Tesla s communication around the Model S Plaid has been extremely dishonest. I feel like Tesla s communication around the Model S plaid has been extremely dishonest and I want to give some examples. **0-60times LR vs Plaid** On tesla.com the 0-60 times are given as 3.1s for the LR and 1.99s for Plaid. *However* when you look at the fine print (and that only shows when clicking on feature details) you see that Tesla has With first foot of rollout subtracted but *only* for the Plaid making this an apples to oranges comparison. If you were to also subtract rollout from the LR times the two numbers would actually be much closer so Tesla is intentionally making the performance gap seem bigger than it is. **The screen tilt** Tesla advertises on the Model S pages that the center screen tilts but now it has come to light that this is something that is not available right now and supposedly comes in a software update. You cannot actually move the screen even manually. There was no mention anywhere that this feature will come later. And by knowing Tesla s timelines this might as well be 2 years away. ** The car shifts by itself ** Elon has tweeted a lot about how the car shifts itself and many news outlets reported on how you don t have to shift manually anymore. Now we know the car can only shift out of park by itself and this is also a **beta** feature which is arguably one of Tesla s tricks to not have to claim liability. You still have to shift gears to do 3 way turns or to park using the onscreen shifter. **The gaming capabilities** The product page of the Model S shows the Witcher 3 and the event they demoed Cyberpunk. None of these games are in the car and there is no communication if or when they will be available. The Product page also shows a game loaded on the rear screen. It is not possible to start games on the rear screen as of now. **The Plaid+ cancelation** Plaid+ was canceled because Plaid is too good No one needs more than 400 miles . Both of these statements are quite dubious and it is clear that Tesla is hiding *something* here maybe not enough orders or maybe problems with manufacturing the new cells. I am a Tesla owner and generally very happy and still think that Tesla is the best EV manufacturer but I must say that I become increasingly frustrated with the stuff coming out of Elon s mouth because at this point I just have to stop believing everything he says. | Tesla owner here. I purchased autopilot and was up sold to FSD because it was months away. The car would drive from LA to NYC hands free soon after. This was the end 2016 early 2017 I ve learned that you are buying what you have. Don t assume anything is coming. That s why I didn t buy FSD for my next Tesla and told all my referrals to save their money. | Agreed with all points. There are also shifter selections at the bottom of the IP near the center console. So you don t have to access via touchscreen menus. This was required by USDOT (and perhaps other countries as well) | 1,427 | 14 | 8,623 |
nzu1zh | 7,203 | I feel like Tesla s communication around the Model S Plaid has been extremely dishonest. I feel like Tesla s communication around the Model S plaid has been extremely dishonest and I want to give some examples. **0-60times LR vs Plaid** On tesla.com the 0-60 times are given as 3.1s for the LR and 1.99s for Plaid. *However* when you look at the fine print (and that only shows when clicking on feature details) you see that Tesla has With first foot of rollout subtracted but *only* for the Plaid making this an apples to oranges comparison. If you were to also subtract rollout from the LR times the two numbers would actually be much closer so Tesla is intentionally making the performance gap seem bigger than it is. **The screen tilt** Tesla advertises on the Model S pages that the center screen tilts but now it has come to light that this is something that is not available right now and supposedly comes in a software update. You cannot actually move the screen even manually. There was no mention anywhere that this feature will come later. And by knowing Tesla s timelines this might as well be 2 years away. ** The car shifts by itself ** Elon has tweeted a lot about how the car shifts itself and many news outlets reported on how you don t have to shift manually anymore. Now we know the car can only shift out of park by itself and this is also a **beta** feature which is arguably one of Tesla s tricks to not have to claim liability. You still have to shift gears to do 3 way turns or to park using the onscreen shifter. **The gaming capabilities** The product page of the Model S shows the Witcher 3 and the event they demoed Cyberpunk. None of these games are in the car and there is no communication if or when they will be available. The Product page also shows a game loaded on the rear screen. It is not possible to start games on the rear screen as of now. **The Plaid+ cancelation** Plaid+ was canceled because Plaid is too good No one needs more than 400 miles . Both of these statements are quite dubious and it is clear that Tesla is hiding *something* here maybe not enough orders or maybe problems with manufacturing the new cells. I am a Tesla owner and generally very happy and still think that Tesla is the best EV manufacturer but I must say that I become increasingly frustrated with the stuff coming out of Elon s mouth because at this point I just have to stop believing everything he says. | Tesla owner here. I purchased autopilot and was up sold to FSD because it was months away. The car would drive from LA to NYC hands free soon after. This was the end 2016 early 2017 I ve learned that you are buying what you have. Don t assume anything is coming. That s why I didn t buy FSD for my next Tesla and told all my referrals to save their money. | > Both of these statements are quite dubious and it is clear that Tesla is hiding something here maybe not enough orders or maybe problems with manufacturing the new cells. I m almost positive they realized that by making Plaid+ they are gonna eat into the market of people who would be considering a Roadster. They want to leave some performance room for the top of class tesla and if the S is the same thing but cheaper people are gonna just pick that and they will have lost out on potential roadster sales. Either way we are talking the tippy top end of consumers who are gonna drop 150k + on a car -- so ultimately canceling the top isn t the biggest issue for 99.9% of consumers. | 1,427 | 18 | 8,624 |
o01pch | 1,373 | Smart Summon actually came in useful to me today. I am a process server. Yeah one of those guys. I ve been using my Model 3 s to serve since they came out (and my X before then.) Lots of miles lots of gas savings. It s really a no-brainer. I had some divorce related papers for a guy today that unfortunately knew I was coming. And I d served him the original divorce papers so he likely remembered me and my car. Teslas aren t exactly low key. When I arrive he sends his dog out the front door and heads upstairs. The location was remote down a long dirt road. He easily saw me coming. I knock. I call out to him. I call his cell a hundred times. For an hour I tried to get him to come to the door. This guy wasn t budging. I truly believe he would ve hid upstairs all day. Then the idea hit me. Could it work? We deploy Pineapple Express style tricks when the occasion calls but I never thought to use my car. Out of view of the upstairs window I walk over to my car open the door and shut it so he could hear (all his windows were pretty much open.) I then sneak over to the side of his house by the front door and pull out my phone. Using summon I drive the car down past his house it turns around and heads out down the lane past a smaller farm house and out of view. That s where the range limit ends and it stops. I wait about 5 minutes. Sure enough I hear the stairs creak he inches up to the front door to make sure I m gone. I jump out and scare him half to death giving him the papers. He actually laughed. Gotteem. Thanks Tesla! | Please tell me the court papers included a court summons so you can say you used summon to deliver a summons. | How did you smart summon it away from you? | 491 | 12 | 8,625 |
o01pch | 1,373 | Smart Summon actually came in useful to me today. I am a process server. Yeah one of those guys. I ve been using my Model 3 s to serve since they came out (and my X before then.) Lots of miles lots of gas savings. It s really a no-brainer. I had some divorce related papers for a guy today that unfortunately knew I was coming. And I d served him the original divorce papers so he likely remembered me and my car. Teslas aren t exactly low key. When I arrive he sends his dog out the front door and heads upstairs. The location was remote down a long dirt road. He easily saw me coming. I knock. I call out to him. I call his cell a hundred times. For an hour I tried to get him to come to the door. This guy wasn t budging. I truly believe he would ve hid upstairs all day. Then the idea hit me. Could it work? We deploy Pineapple Express style tricks when the occasion calls but I never thought to use my car. Out of view of the upstairs window I walk over to my car open the door and shut it so he could hear (all his windows were pretty much open.) I then sneak over to the side of his house by the front door and pull out my phone. Using summon I drive the car down past his house it turns around and heads out down the lane past a smaller farm house and out of view. That s where the range limit ends and it stops. I wait about 5 minutes. Sure enough I hear the stairs creak he inches up to the front door to make sure I m gone. I jump out and scare him half to death giving him the papers. He actually laughed. Gotteem. Thanks Tesla! | Please tell me the court papers included a court summons so you can say you used summon to deliver a summons. | Sounds too good to be true | 491 | 19 | 8,626 |
o01pch | 1,373 | Smart Summon actually came in useful to me today. I am a process server. Yeah one of those guys. I ve been using my Model 3 s to serve since they came out (and my X before then.) Lots of miles lots of gas savings. It s really a no-brainer. I had some divorce related papers for a guy today that unfortunately knew I was coming. And I d served him the original divorce papers so he likely remembered me and my car. Teslas aren t exactly low key. When I arrive he sends his dog out the front door and heads upstairs. The location was remote down a long dirt road. He easily saw me coming. I knock. I call out to him. I call his cell a hundred times. For an hour I tried to get him to come to the door. This guy wasn t budging. I truly believe he would ve hid upstairs all day. Then the idea hit me. Could it work? We deploy Pineapple Express style tricks when the occasion calls but I never thought to use my car. Out of view of the upstairs window I walk over to my car open the door and shut it so he could hear (all his windows were pretty much open.) I then sneak over to the side of his house by the front door and pull out my phone. Using summon I drive the car down past his house it turns around and heads out down the lane past a smaller farm house and out of view. That s where the range limit ends and it stops. I wait about 5 minutes. Sure enough I hear the stairs creak he inches up to the front door to make sure I m gone. I jump out and scare him half to death giving him the papers. He actually laughed. Gotteem. Thanks Tesla! | Please tell me the court papers included a court summons so you can say you used summon to deliver a summons. | I wonder if you could trade mark or somehow get paid for the story cuz some screenplay writer is going to steal that scene. | 491 | 109 | 8,627 |
o0e947 | 31 | Any Reports on Improvements in Back-Seat Room in the Model S Refresh? Elon made such a big deal about how much more comfortable the back seat is that I was shocked to see the specs appear to show a < 1 inch legroom difference from the current Model S and much lower hip room # s. I m not aware of any real-world reports of how much if any improvement there has been in back-seat legroom or anything else about improvements in backseat comfort. Anything out there I m missing? Any lucky Plaid owners willing to fill me in? | There is certainly more space than my old S and the seats themselves are way more comfy. The seats are also reclined a bit more which is both more comfortable and improves headroom. | I don t think the legroom was particularly the issue. The seats were just based on an older design and the new seats are more similar to the 3. Edit: also didn t Elon mention in the plaid unveil that they shifted the front seat forward to give the rear more room? | 54 | 12 | 8,628 |
o0k25y | 35 | Model Y for high mileage Due to my job I m a crazy high mileage driver in the Mid-Atlantic to the tune of 30k+ per year. Almost all highway. Typical NE weather. Forget about the fuel economics but would a LR Model Y hold up to all that mileage mechanically? I typically buy a crossover run it up to ~100k for 3-ish years and then punt and move on. Ideally I d do the same here. What do you guys think? | 30k miles a year? You re probably spending at least $400 a month on gas alone. You won t completely eliminate that bill if you re supercharging but supercharging pricing is similar to getting 50-60 mpg in an ICE and when you charge at home it s even cheaper. The car will pay for a good chunk of itself. | Only con I can think of is possibly an extra 20 minutes here and there for charging. | 36 | 2 | 8,629 |
o0k25y | 35 | Model Y for high mileage Due to my job I m a crazy high mileage driver in the Mid-Atlantic to the tune of 30k+ per year. Almost all highway. Typical NE weather. Forget about the fuel economics but would a LR Model Y hold up to all that mileage mechanically? I typically buy a crossover run it up to ~100k for 3-ish years and then punt and move on. Ideally I d do the same here. What do you guys think? | 30k miles a year? You re probably spending at least $400 a month on gas alone. You won t completely eliminate that bill if you re supercharging but supercharging pricing is similar to getting 50-60 mpg in an ICE and when you charge at home it s even cheaper. The car will pay for a good chunk of itself. | The propulsion system will hold up fairly well and save you a little money compared to a ICE. There s still some maintenance to do and still some moving parts. The rest of the vehicle is mostly still the same systems as ICE. You ll use your brakes less but everything else will wear pretty much the same. Overall you re still safe to assume you ll save 25% in maintenance costs. But likely similar repair costs. And save 50% or more on fuel costs depending on how and where you charge. | 36 | 3 | 8,630 |
o0mnu9 | 58 | Got a $37k offer from CarMax... So my wife has a pristine 2019 Standard Range M3 with NO bells or whistles 8200 miles. We paid $35000 and got an offer from CarMax for $37000 today. Should we look for a better deal? Cars and Bids? Something else? Planning to sell it to upgrade to a 7 seater MY. I m shocked at the offer. Only problem is waiting around until September for a new Model Y to be shipped. | I just sold my 2019 standard range model 3 to carvana yesterday for $34600. Mine had 37000 miles on it. Got a $39900 model Y. My model 3 had a small crack in the windshield Bald tires and A very visible door ding. Tesla offered me $27 000 for my model 3. Which I thought was a fair deal. I m not sure who is buying these cars from carvana for way more than they can get from Tesla brand new. | I sold a car to Carvana recently. The amount they offered as well as the whole experience was fantastic. With Carvana the offer is good for 7 days and I was able to delay them picking up my car for just under a month so if you decide to go with them you may want to hold off until you a better idea on your Model Y delivery date. | 81 | 15 | 8,631 |
o0mnu9 | 58 | Got a $37k offer from CarMax... So my wife has a pristine 2019 Standard Range M3 with NO bells or whistles 8200 miles. We paid $35000 and got an offer from CarMax for $37000 today. Should we look for a better deal? Cars and Bids? Something else? Planning to sell it to upgrade to a 7 seater MY. I m shocked at the offer. Only problem is waiting around until September for a new Model Y to be shipped. | A better deal?! You are getting $2000 for DRIVING the car for 2 years! You sell it! Pick up a 2021 M3 with the money. | There is a semiconductor shortage so there is low availability on cars. Lots of cars just sitting waiting for computers. So used cars are selling for a lot. Especially high end fully loaded cars with electronic suites. | 53 | 2 | 8,632 |
o0mnu9 | 58 | Got a $37k offer from CarMax... So my wife has a pristine 2019 Standard Range M3 with NO bells or whistles 8200 miles. We paid $35000 and got an offer from CarMax for $37000 today. Should we look for a better deal? Cars and Bids? Something else? Planning to sell it to upgrade to a 7 seater MY. I m shocked at the offer. Only problem is waiting around until September for a new Model Y to be shipped. | A better deal?! You are getting $2000 for DRIVING the car for 2 years! You sell it! Pick up a 2021 M3 with the money. | You ll be waiting much longer than September. | 53 | 2 | 8,633 |
o1li43 | 185 | Long time Tesla owners: how is the longevity reliability of your car holding up against other cars you ve owned? Context: My wife and I have a three year old daughter a EV SUV is our top choice. This will be the first car either of us have ever owned. Aite… so we are getting closer to pulling the trigger on a Model Y. We test drove it along side a Mustang Mach-E and the Y was a clear winner in pretty much every category including the all-important getting a toddler in and out of a car seat. However we re trying to justify the $80 000 (all-in Canadian) price tag. It seems pretty steep compared to other EV options that are available (Model 3 Kona Bolt etc.). The question is how reliable are older Tesla s? Is it feasible to keep this car on the road for 15+ years? (If we keep the km low and maintain the car well). We d love some first-hand experience if possible. As well current Model Y owners how has the car been with one to two kids? | I own two 2013 Model S. Their batteries have degraded around 5% and some of the pop-out handles have been replaced under warranty. They are still both on 3G and sometimes connectivity is spotty so I turn on a wifi hotspot from my phone. There are no cameras or autopilot functionality of any kind. We did have one of the MCU fail and that was towed and repaired under warranty with a courtesy car made available to us. I love them and highly recommend! Service is very inconvenient but it is also very rare to have to use it. I assume that newer cars produced by Tesla are better in a lot of ways and that their reliability as only improved. | P3D- almost 3 years and 35K miles in (Infamous Q3 2018 production hell car). Had a few issues that had to get sorted out in the first few months... But (probably digitally jinxing myself here) everything has been fine since. White seats and kids too... Mechanically cosmetically all holding up well. Just can t wait for FSD to go live... The car capabilities have grown so much since I bought it! | 151 | 19 | 8,634 |
o1li43 | 185 | Long time Tesla owners: how is the longevity reliability of your car holding up against other cars you ve owned? Context: My wife and I have a three year old daughter a EV SUV is our top choice. This will be the first car either of us have ever owned. Aite… so we are getting closer to pulling the trigger on a Model Y. We test drove it along side a Mustang Mach-E and the Y was a clear winner in pretty much every category including the all-important getting a toddler in and out of a car seat. However we re trying to justify the $80 000 (all-in Canadian) price tag. It seems pretty steep compared to other EV options that are available (Model 3 Kona Bolt etc.). The question is how reliable are older Tesla s? Is it feasible to keep this car on the road for 15+ years? (If we keep the km low and maintain the car well). We d love some first-hand experience if possible. As well current Model Y owners how has the car been with one to two kids? | I own two 2013 Model S. Their batteries have degraded around 5% and some of the pop-out handles have been replaced under warranty. They are still both on 3G and sometimes connectivity is spotty so I turn on a wifi hotspot from my phone. There are no cameras or autopilot functionality of any kind. We did have one of the MCU fail and that was towed and repaired under warranty with a courtesy car made available to us. I love them and highly recommend! Service is very inconvenient but it is also very rare to have to use it. I assume that newer cars produced by Tesla are better in a lot of ways and that their reliability as only improved. | Had mostly Acura s before switching to Tesla 5 years ago. The Acura s only needed routine maintenance but the Teslas don t even require that. | 151 | 28 | 8,635 |
o1li43 | 185 | Long time Tesla owners: how is the longevity reliability of your car holding up against other cars you ve owned? Context: My wife and I have a three year old daughter a EV SUV is our top choice. This will be the first car either of us have ever owned. Aite… so we are getting closer to pulling the trigger on a Model Y. We test drove it along side a Mustang Mach-E and the Y was a clear winner in pretty much every category including the all-important getting a toddler in and out of a car seat. However we re trying to justify the $80 000 (all-in Canadian) price tag. It seems pretty steep compared to other EV options that are available (Model 3 Kona Bolt etc.). The question is how reliable are older Tesla s? Is it feasible to keep this car on the road for 15+ years? (If we keep the km low and maintain the car well). We d love some first-hand experience if possible. As well current Model Y owners how has the car been with one to two kids? | My dad bought one of the first model s s ever - maybe from the first 4 or 5 months into production. It has about 80000 miles on it now - having outlived its owner. It has been an extremely reliable car but had a few minor quirks. One item was door handles that didn t want to auto pop out sometimes. There was some kind of battery issue but I dont recall what and it was on warranty and did not cause any headaches. The car still feels pretty much brand new. I think the break pads have never been changed as they hardly saw any use though I might be wrong about that. This is a car that seems to require very little maintenance. | I wish I could say anything about it but I just got my Tesla last month model y. After a week of having it got sent back to Tesla to align a couple of things inside the car. Once I got it back had to go back for paint errors door not aligned right and front trunk not aligned right as well. Windshield wipers would hit the front trunk. Went from a bmw 535i to a car I hardly drove. Fuck Tesla should ve kept the bmw. They ain t putting no TLC when building so fuck Tesla and everybody who works for Tesla. | 77 | 2 | 8,636 |
o24jh9 | 35 | Second blown out Wall Connector in 18 months [Model 3] I have now had two home Wall Connector failures in the last 18 months. Before I get an electrician here again I d like to understand if this is a problem with the install my car or my power company. My wall connector is set to 40A @ 220V and I have a 2018 Model 3 Dual Motor. In the first instance the connections inside the failed and burned up after about a year of use. The electrician who did the initial install was unavailable. The second electrician believed the connections were not properly tightened during the first install. https: preview.redd.it a73qqv6ufv571.jpg?width=1512& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=df3bb378927d965bb6443aabed8ee4da8cc30da6 & #x200B https: preview.redd.it lpcqjvt4gv571.jpg?width=1512& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=01b7b51efdba2b1ae1da61ed67fd8a1a1aafd90e & #x200B On the second install the electrician placed a NEMA 14-50 outlet above the wall connector. The wall connector was wired to the outlet as a secondary disconnect. Last night that connection burned out at the wall. https: preview.redd.it myfwz9zvfv571.jpg?width=1233& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=44c8108aa818520341138482ce24e381b7062c32 Neither instance triggered the breaker in my main panel. I was pretty freaked out after the first failure because of the fire risk. After the second failure I m extremely concerned. What causes this type of failure? Is my car drawing too much power? Is my wall connector faulty? Is this incompetence by the electrician(s)? | Electrician here.. some electricians don t understand that the NM Romex (the one used for your installation) wire is actually TW (60*C) insulation and rated for less amperage then your regular THHN (90*C) insulated conductors which are ran in conduit. As per NEC table 310.15(B)(16) Further more your damage happened from what I believe 8awg wire on a 40 amp breaker while your setup if I understood correctly is set to draw 40 amps continuously which should be set at 40x80%=32amps As per NEC 210.19 | The second install looks like a problem with the outlet (the receptacle) and not the charger. Either that or the plug head which your electrician must have done because it s not part of the wall charger. There are many reports here of melted receptacles caused by loose connections due to using cheap dryer plugs and not an expensive RV style NEMa 14-50. | 104 | 6 | 8,637 |
o24jh9 | 35 | Second blown out Wall Connector in 18 months [Model 3] I have now had two home Wall Connector failures in the last 18 months. Before I get an electrician here again I d like to understand if this is a problem with the install my car or my power company. My wall connector is set to 40A @ 220V and I have a 2018 Model 3 Dual Motor. In the first instance the connections inside the failed and burned up after about a year of use. The electrician who did the initial install was unavailable. The second electrician believed the connections were not properly tightened during the first install. https: preview.redd.it a73qqv6ufv571.jpg?width=1512& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=df3bb378927d965bb6443aabed8ee4da8cc30da6 & #x200B https: preview.redd.it lpcqjvt4gv571.jpg?width=1512& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=01b7b51efdba2b1ae1da61ed67fd8a1a1aafd90e & #x200B On the second install the electrician placed a NEMA 14-50 outlet above the wall connector. The wall connector was wired to the outlet as a secondary disconnect. Last night that connection burned out at the wall. https: preview.redd.it myfwz9zvfv571.jpg?width=1233& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=44c8108aa818520341138482ce24e381b7062c32 Neither instance triggered the breaker in my main panel. I was pretty freaked out after the first failure because of the fire risk. After the second failure I m extremely concerned. What causes this type of failure? Is my car drawing too much power? Is my wall connector faulty? Is this incompetence by the electrician(s)? | Electrician here.. some electricians don t understand that the NM Romex (the one used for your installation) wire is actually TW (60*C) insulation and rated for less amperage then your regular THHN (90*C) insulated conductors which are ran in conduit. As per NEC table 310.15(B)(16) Further more your damage happened from what I believe 8awg wire on a 40 amp breaker while your setup if I understood correctly is set to draw 40 amps continuously which should be set at 40x80%=32amps As per NEC 210.19 | Tens of thousands of these chargers exist and work without issue. The odds are low that you happen to get two bad chargers. What amps do you have your car pulling? https: acworks.com blogs ac-works-connector tesla-charging-limits-how-to-change-them-and-why-you-should The easiest explanation would be improper installation both times. Did either of the electricians have experience with EVs? | 104 | 8 | 8,638 |
o24jh9 | 35 | Second blown out Wall Connector in 18 months [Model 3] I have now had two home Wall Connector failures in the last 18 months. Before I get an electrician here again I d like to understand if this is a problem with the install my car or my power company. My wall connector is set to 40A @ 220V and I have a 2018 Model 3 Dual Motor. In the first instance the connections inside the failed and burned up after about a year of use. The electrician who did the initial install was unavailable. The second electrician believed the connections were not properly tightened during the first install. https: preview.redd.it a73qqv6ufv571.jpg?width=1512& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=df3bb378927d965bb6443aabed8ee4da8cc30da6 & #x200B https: preview.redd.it lpcqjvt4gv571.jpg?width=1512& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=01b7b51efdba2b1ae1da61ed67fd8a1a1aafd90e & #x200B On the second install the electrician placed a NEMA 14-50 outlet above the wall connector. The wall connector was wired to the outlet as a secondary disconnect. Last night that connection burned out at the wall. https: preview.redd.it myfwz9zvfv571.jpg?width=1233& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=44c8108aa818520341138482ce24e381b7062c32 Neither instance triggered the breaker in my main panel. I was pretty freaked out after the first failure because of the fire risk. After the second failure I m extremely concerned. What causes this type of failure? Is my car drawing too much power? Is my wall connector faulty? Is this incompetence by the electrician(s)? | Electrician here.. some electricians don t understand that the NM Romex (the one used for your installation) wire is actually TW (60*C) insulation and rated for less amperage then your regular THHN (90*C) insulated conductors which are ran in conduit. As per NEC table 310.15(B)(16) Further more your damage happened from what I believe 8awg wire on a 40 amp breaker while your setup if I understood correctly is set to draw 40 amps continuously which should be set at 40x80%=32amps As per NEC 210.19 | What size breaker and what awg wire was installed? Make sure you use the only 80% of what s rated. So 50amp breaker you should only charge at 40amps and that should be set in the wall charger | 104 | 10 | 8,639 |
o2e643 | 42 | My Model Y order went from mid-June to sometime in September how can Tesla manage delivery estimate that poorly. I gave up my leased car and could manage a few weeks but to add 3+ more months seems insane to me. Is anyone else having this issue? I assume it s to do with the Plaid release but still to sideline an order in place with a timeline that customers plan around then to push back timeline by 3+ months is crazy. Sorry just needed to vent. No I need to get a used Tesla or another car. I m so upset as I was excited about the model Y. **Update Edit: I canceled my September delivery and was able to find a demo model with 150 miles on it I talked at length with my local Tesla store and a helpful Reddit user and they gave me info on how to find demo models so was able to secure one today! I m picking up my car on Wednesday!!** | Aren t all car makers having this problem at the moment? | Mine is switching every day. Goes from August 10-20th to September back to august. It is what it is. I would check again or call the order support line. There are also some inventory model y s on the website | 60 | 2 | 8,640 |
o2e643 | 42 | My Model Y order went from mid-June to sometime in September how can Tesla manage delivery estimate that poorly. I gave up my leased car and could manage a few weeks but to add 3+ more months seems insane to me. Is anyone else having this issue? I assume it s to do with the Plaid release but still to sideline an order in place with a timeline that customers plan around then to push back timeline by 3+ months is crazy. Sorry just needed to vent. No I need to get a used Tesla or another car. I m so upset as I was excited about the model Y. **Update Edit: I canceled my September delivery and was able to find a demo model with 150 miles on it I talked at length with my local Tesla store and a helpful Reddit user and they gave me info on how to find demo models so was able to secure one today! I m picking up my car on Wednesday!!** | It switches daily. Mine says July then Sept then July then Sept now July. | Mine is switching every day. Goes from August 10-20th to September back to august. It is what it is. I would check again or call the order support line. There are also some inventory model y s on the website | 40 | 2 | 8,641 |
o2e643 | 42 | My Model Y order went from mid-June to sometime in September how can Tesla manage delivery estimate that poorly. I gave up my leased car and could manage a few weeks but to add 3+ more months seems insane to me. Is anyone else having this issue? I assume it s to do with the Plaid release but still to sideline an order in place with a timeline that customers plan around then to push back timeline by 3+ months is crazy. Sorry just needed to vent. No I need to get a used Tesla or another car. I m so upset as I was excited about the model Y. **Update Edit: I canceled my September delivery and was able to find a demo model with 150 miles on it I talked at length with my local Tesla store and a helpful Reddit user and they gave me info on how to find demo models so was able to secure one today! I m picking up my car on Wednesday!!** | Aren t all car makers having this problem at the moment? | Tesla will push it back a year if they want to unfortunately. There s too much demand and not enough supply. If you want to cancel your order they will definitely just sell it to someone else and not bat an eye. Their customer service is a joke but at least now I understand why. | 60 | 26 | 8,642 |
o2w2ps | 210 | Omar s Yoke Adventures #3 So its been a week since I picked up the car. I ve driven about 400 miles total and about a dozen trips of any meaningful length. TL DR I am feeling very comfortable with the yoke and the stalkless scheme. By no means perfect but I have mostly stopped thinking about it in daily driving. [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-ndZ3GSZ A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-ndZ3GSZ A) | Gotta say…Omar s experience with the yoke is 180degrees (pardon the pun) opposite from every review I ve read this week | u o2go \\- asked in TMC but that thread is also a gazillion posts long. Can you measure the repeater cameras on the Model S in comparison to the Model X? Rumor was they were bigger and stuck out further. Greatly appreciate your responses here and over at TMC. | 60 | 3 | 8,643 |
o2w2ps | 210 | Omar s Yoke Adventures #3 So its been a week since I picked up the car. I ve driven about 400 miles total and about a dozen trips of any meaningful length. TL DR I am feeling very comfortable with the yoke and the stalkless scheme. By no means perfect but I have mostly stopped thinking about it in daily driving. [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-ndZ3GSZ A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-ndZ3GSZ A) | Gotta say…Omar s experience with the yoke is 180degrees (pardon the pun) opposite from every review I ve read this week | At 0:28 you push the turn signal button and it doesn t turn on. | 60 | 7 | 8,644 |
o2w2ps | 210 | Omar s Yoke Adventures #3 So its been a week since I picked up the car. I ve driven about 400 miles total and about a dozen trips of any meaningful length. TL DR I am feeling very comfortable with the yoke and the stalkless scheme. By no means perfect but I have mostly stopped thinking about it in daily driving. [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-ndZ3GSZ A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-ndZ3GSZ A) | Gotta say…Omar s experience with the yoke is 180degrees (pardon the pun) opposite from every review I ve read this week | Didn t signal in that traffic circle. Probably my biggest fear since I have 3 large ones on my way to work. You almost palmed the entire right hand side of the yoke at 3:10. This is how I drive and will be driving an ICE on occasion. I m worried I ll do something out of habit with the yoke that will result in an unsafe situation. Thanks for the video I m trying to soak up as many of these as I can. I have a MS on order. Really trying to evaluate if I should just cancel because of this yoke debacle and get something else. | 60 | 9 | 8,645 |
o3oloa | 129 | [UPDATE] I am completely confused how this happened. It appeared in my car out of nowhere today. This is an update to my post yesterday since it ended up getting a lot of feedback: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments o2tsly i_am_completely_confused_how_this_happened_it Mostly people pointing out that I have a sweaty ass. I swear it s my friend s sweaty ass. But no worries if you don t believe me I am only human and am sure I ve had my fair share of sweaty ass in the past too. Anyway on the advice of a few replies (thanks u joeljaeggli and u Valuesauce especially) I went to walmart and got a bunch of cleaner supplies. Leather cleaner rubbing alcohol baby wipes etc. But after an hour of trying and experimenting with all of these I was getting nowhere. And then my girlfriend suggested the most obviously thing: just get some hot water and soap and try that. Well I feel like an idiot because that worked perfectly. The ass sweat is gone. I now have 450 baby wipes (there was a sale) and enough leather cleaner to drown a zebra but the ass sweat is gone. I was driving happily into town this morning for a coffe though when this error started showing up: https: i.imgur.com DraxCIR.jpg > Front passenger safety restraint system fault I uh... may have gotten a little carried away with the cleaning and by the sounds of it got some water under the seat and broke it. On the bright side the white leather look great now and really is as easy to clean as Tesla claims... if you know the first thing about how to clean anything which I don t apparently. I have also told my friend he cant wear his shorts in the car. He thinks I m being paranoid. I didn t have the heart to tell him I suspect his ass sweat leaked into my seat and sent me into a tailspin trying to fix and eventually leading to me maybe water damaging the seat. | Insurance agent: *say that again?* Me: *you heard it right... ass sweat coverage* | Damn. Did you drench the seat in soapy water? Get a service appointment but don t tell them anything about the piss stain or the watery adventures 😂 | 163 | 26 | 8,646 |
o3oloa | 129 | [UPDATE] I am completely confused how this happened. It appeared in my car out of nowhere today. This is an update to my post yesterday since it ended up getting a lot of feedback: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments o2tsly i_am_completely_confused_how_this_happened_it Mostly people pointing out that I have a sweaty ass. I swear it s my friend s sweaty ass. But no worries if you don t believe me I am only human and am sure I ve had my fair share of sweaty ass in the past too. Anyway on the advice of a few replies (thanks u joeljaeggli and u Valuesauce especially) I went to walmart and got a bunch of cleaner supplies. Leather cleaner rubbing alcohol baby wipes etc. But after an hour of trying and experimenting with all of these I was getting nowhere. And then my girlfriend suggested the most obviously thing: just get some hot water and soap and try that. Well I feel like an idiot because that worked perfectly. The ass sweat is gone. I now have 450 baby wipes (there was a sale) and enough leather cleaner to drown a zebra but the ass sweat is gone. I was driving happily into town this morning for a coffe though when this error started showing up: https: i.imgur.com DraxCIR.jpg > Front passenger safety restraint system fault I uh... may have gotten a little carried away with the cleaning and by the sounds of it got some water under the seat and broke it. On the bright side the white leather look great now and really is as easy to clean as Tesla claims... if you know the first thing about how to clean anything which I don t apparently. I have also told my friend he cant wear his shorts in the car. He thinks I m being paranoid. I didn t have the heart to tell him I suspect his ass sweat leaked into my seat and sent me into a tailspin trying to fix and eventually leading to me maybe water damaging the seat. | Had the same error message on my M3. Service center took care of it in 20 minutes. | Damn. Did you drench the seat in soapy water? Get a service appointment but don t tell them anything about the piss stain or the watery adventures 😂 | 60 | 26 | 8,647 |
o48l2x | 217 | First big supercharge of my my Model S Plaid Updated post: did my first major supercharge on my new Model S Plaid: * 24%-90% * Took 33 min * 63 kWh added * Held on to 250 kW charging until 30% * Ambient heat over 100F Link to graph and video: [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-TTVxDX2 A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-TTVxDX2 A) | Still getting 100kw at almost 70% SOC is *stunning* especially to me with my charge-gated Model S. | Is there a phone key or do we still have to use a key fob? | 48 | 2 | 8,648 |
o48l2x | 217 | First big supercharge of my my Model S Plaid Updated post: did my first major supercharge on my new Model S Plaid: * 24%-90% * Took 33 min * 63 kWh added * Held on to 250 kW charging until 30% * Ambient heat over 100F Link to graph and video: [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-TTVxDX2 A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-TTVxDX2 A) | Still getting 100kw at almost 70% SOC is *stunning* especially to me with my charge-gated Model S. | That os impressive speed... Does the Plaid still use 18650 cells? I think improved cooling in the redesigned battery pack enables this... What was the speed at 80% soc? | 48 | 5 | 8,649 |
o48l2x | 217 | First big supercharge of my my Model S Plaid Updated post: did my first major supercharge on my new Model S Plaid: * 24%-90% * Took 33 min * 63 kWh added * Held on to 250 kW charging until 30% * Ambient heat over 100F Link to graph and video: [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-TTVxDX2 A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-TTVxDX2 A) | Still getting 100kw at almost 70% SOC is *stunning* especially to me with my charge-gated Model S. | That s very impressive! Arachnid wheels right? | 48 | 6 | 8,650 |
o55b3f | 725 | My model 3 is now 3 years old. I ve rotated tires thrice. And added windshield wiper fluid. It s there really no other maintenance to do? Oh yeah I changed the ac filters once | Cabin Air Filter! | Brakes and or brake fluid eventually…… | 368 | 2 | 8,651 |
o55b3f | 725 | My model 3 is now 3 years old. I ve rotated tires thrice. And added windshield wiper fluid. It s there really no other maintenance to do? Oh yeah I changed the ac filters once | Cabin Air Filter! | I changed 4 sets of tires including original after 60 000miles. Have 5th set of winters sitting in my garage waiting October. | 368 | 4 | 8,652 |
o55b3f | 725 | My model 3 is now 3 years old. I ve rotated tires thrice. And added windshield wiper fluid. It s there really no other maintenance to do? Oh yeah I changed the ac filters once | Cabin Air Filter! | Wheels alignments every year will help as well! It s also good to proactively clean out the black plastic side rails and undercarriage composite treys. Mobile service can do this in under 30-minutes! | 368 | 5 | 8,653 |
o55u63 | 80 | Has any one else canceled model s reservation because of the yoke wheel? I was under the impression that the yoke would be dynamic turn radius or that they would offer an optional normal wheel. Please tell me I m not the only one that can t deal with that thing. | I have an order in but will not take delivery until a traditional wheel option is available. If Tesla decides to draw a line in the sand by not offering one message received and I will gladly cancel my order. The yoke is pure idiocy. | Mine isn t coming until September so I m waiting to see what happens. If the yoke is still the only option (and it is according to my SA) then I ll cancel | 107 | 4 | 8,654 |
o55u63 | 80 | Has any one else canceled model s reservation because of the yoke wheel? I was under the impression that the yoke would be dynamic turn radius or that they would offer an optional normal wheel. Please tell me I m not the only one that can t deal with that thing. | I have an order in but will not take delivery until a traditional wheel option is available. If Tesla decides to draw a line in the sand by not offering one message received and I will gladly cancel my order. The yoke is pure idiocy. | Take notice that most people posting are using it for the first time and treating it like a steering wheel. I have practiced on a regular steering wheel and it turns out that moving one hand to the bottom position before a turn allows you to take that turn without crossing your arms. I just think people are being stubborn with re learning a wheel and finding reasons to complain. The other day i saw someone complaining that activating your turn signal during a turn would be harder because its only on one side of the wheel and i had to tell him that you turn on your turn signal well before you take a turn otherwise the turn signal is pointless. | 107 | 5 | 8,655 |
o55u63 | 80 | Has any one else canceled model s reservation because of the yoke wheel? I was under the impression that the yoke would be dynamic turn radius or that they would offer an optional normal wheel. Please tell me I m not the only one that can t deal with that thing. | I have an order in but will not take delivery until a traditional wheel option is available. If Tesla decides to draw a line in the sand by not offering one message received and I will gladly cancel my order. The yoke is pure idiocy. | Yes getting a Y for now will re-evaluate in 6 months | 107 | 6 | 8,656 |
o56zzm | 274 | Cross Post from r Hyundai: I m a Tesla owner and the MyHyundai app is a nightmare that got me stuck in middle of nowhere. I just bought my wife a 2021 Sonata and I drive a 2019 Model S. For the past 2-3 years I am in love with my Tesla as I can leave my keys in my car and just take my phone with me when I go trail running. I just lock the car with the Tesla app and get going. This past weekend my wife took the Tesla for a trip with the kids to her parents. So I decided to take her car for my morning trail run. We have the Bluelink My Hyundai app installed. It lets us find the car on a map and use the app as a key to unlock the doors. It s pretty slow compared to Tesla but gets the job done. I put the keys in the car before leaving to test whether I can lock the doors and unlock the doors with the keys inside. I tried it a few times and it worked just fine. After parking my car at the trailhead I locked the keys in the car and headed out. No issues. Car locked just fine. When I got back a few hours later I was no longer able to unlock the doors. The app had some messaging saying I had exceeded the use of the feature and needed to wait 24 hours. I called customer support and they had no idea how to help. It was starting to get really hot at this point too. I ended up calling my wife who had to drive an hour to our home to pick up the spare keys and then came to me to help me get back into the car. After researching message boards it appears you can only lock and unlock the doors no more than a half-dozen to a dozen times before you are prevented from doing so anymore for the rest of the day. What kind of garbage is this? While I have it included in the cost for first few years they actually charge $10 monthly for this. There s no warning on the limits until you hit it. This is a lawsuit nightmare. I can use the Tesla app as much as I want. My kids like to play with it just to flash the car lights and show their friends. There are no limits. Hyundai needs to remove this garbage restrictions. I m never buying a hyundai again. | We apologize but your wheels have exceeded the 100 000 revolution daily limit. You ve exceeded the use of the wheels and will be restricted for 24 hours after which you will be able to drive your car again. Thank you for purchasing a Hyundai Sonata. No refunds. | I agree. I came from an ioniq to a Y. That app sucked | 100 | 2 | 8,657 |
o56zzm | 274 | Cross Post from r Hyundai: I m a Tesla owner and the MyHyundai app is a nightmare that got me stuck in middle of nowhere. I just bought my wife a 2021 Sonata and I drive a 2019 Model S. For the past 2-3 years I am in love with my Tesla as I can leave my keys in my car and just take my phone with me when I go trail running. I just lock the car with the Tesla app and get going. This past weekend my wife took the Tesla for a trip with the kids to her parents. So I decided to take her car for my morning trail run. We have the Bluelink My Hyundai app installed. It lets us find the car on a map and use the app as a key to unlock the doors. It s pretty slow compared to Tesla but gets the job done. I put the keys in the car before leaving to test whether I can lock the doors and unlock the doors with the keys inside. I tried it a few times and it worked just fine. After parking my car at the trailhead I locked the keys in the car and headed out. No issues. Car locked just fine. When I got back a few hours later I was no longer able to unlock the doors. The app had some messaging saying I had exceeded the use of the feature and needed to wait 24 hours. I called customer support and they had no idea how to help. It was starting to get really hot at this point too. I ended up calling my wife who had to drive an hour to our home to pick up the spare keys and then came to me to help me get back into the car. After researching message boards it appears you can only lock and unlock the doors no more than a half-dozen to a dozen times before you are prevented from doing so anymore for the rest of the day. What kind of garbage is this? While I have it included in the cost for first few years they actually charge $10 monthly for this. There s no warning on the limits until you hit it. This is a lawsuit nightmare. I can use the Tesla app as much as I want. My kids like to play with it just to flash the car lights and show their friends. There are no limits. Hyundai needs to remove this garbage restrictions. I m never buying a hyundai again. | We apologize but your wheels have exceeded the 100 000 revolution daily limit. You ve exceeded the use of the wheels and will be restricted for 24 hours after which you will be able to drive your car again. Thank you for purchasing a Hyundai Sonata. No refunds. | Always have a spare set of keys or key card for Model S on you. I ve had the app randomly fail too many times to fully trust it. | 100 | 8 | 8,658 |
o56zzm | 274 | Cross Post from r Hyundai: I m a Tesla owner and the MyHyundai app is a nightmare that got me stuck in middle of nowhere. I just bought my wife a 2021 Sonata and I drive a 2019 Model S. For the past 2-3 years I am in love with my Tesla as I can leave my keys in my car and just take my phone with me when I go trail running. I just lock the car with the Tesla app and get going. This past weekend my wife took the Tesla for a trip with the kids to her parents. So I decided to take her car for my morning trail run. We have the Bluelink My Hyundai app installed. It lets us find the car on a map and use the app as a key to unlock the doors. It s pretty slow compared to Tesla but gets the job done. I put the keys in the car before leaving to test whether I can lock the doors and unlock the doors with the keys inside. I tried it a few times and it worked just fine. After parking my car at the trailhead I locked the keys in the car and headed out. No issues. Car locked just fine. When I got back a few hours later I was no longer able to unlock the doors. The app had some messaging saying I had exceeded the use of the feature and needed to wait 24 hours. I called customer support and they had no idea how to help. It was starting to get really hot at this point too. I ended up calling my wife who had to drive an hour to our home to pick up the spare keys and then came to me to help me get back into the car. After researching message boards it appears you can only lock and unlock the doors no more than a half-dozen to a dozen times before you are prevented from doing so anymore for the rest of the day. What kind of garbage is this? While I have it included in the cost for first few years they actually charge $10 monthly for this. There s no warning on the limits until you hit it. This is a lawsuit nightmare. I can use the Tesla app as much as I want. My kids like to play with it just to flash the car lights and show their friends. There are no limits. Hyundai needs to remove this garbage restrictions. I m never buying a hyundai again. | We apologize but your wheels have exceeded the 100 000 revolution daily limit. You ve exceeded the use of the wheels and will be restricted for 24 hours after which you will be able to drive your car again. Thank you for purchasing a Hyundai Sonata. No refunds. | Bummer. I thought Hyundai was doing well with the tech they ve been throwing in their car: “smaht” park lane keep radar cruise with reasonable nags lane change cameras in the dash etc. Someone needs to raise this kind of shit to the top - this seems like a terrible decision. | 100 | 21 | 8,659 |
o5a6dh | 2,700 | Our hearts go out to JB JB Straubel is instrumental to Tesla‘s beginnings. Without him Tesla wouldn t exist. He s dealing with the loss of his wife Boryana and we just wanted to give our heartfelt thoughts out to him. Even though he s moved on to other business ventures I know many of us who know him he s still Tesla family 100% and that s the reason for the post rules aside. Stay strong JB. ❤️ [Info](https: twitter.com wholemarsblog status 1407094071173156864?s=21) [The Straubel Foundation](https: www.straubelfoundation.org ) by JB + Boryana | Awful news. JB was always one of the more like likeable members of the Tesla family. | Rest In peace 🙏🏻 | 163 | 12 | 8,660 |
o5a6dh | 2,700 | Our hearts go out to JB JB Straubel is instrumental to Tesla‘s beginnings. Without him Tesla wouldn t exist. He s dealing with the loss of his wife Boryana and we just wanted to give our heartfelt thoughts out to him. Even though he s moved on to other business ventures I know many of us who know him he s still Tesla family 100% and that s the reason for the post rules aside. Stay strong JB. ❤️ [Info](https: twitter.com wholemarsblog status 1407094071173156864?s=21) [The Straubel Foundation](https: www.straubelfoundation.org ) by JB + Boryana | So sad. She worked at Tesla too I worked with her a couple times there. This isn t just a loss to Tesla s cofounder but to many employees there as well. | So sad!… | 131 | 2 | 8,661 |
o5a6dh | 2,700 | Our hearts go out to JB JB Straubel is instrumental to Tesla‘s beginnings. Without him Tesla wouldn t exist. He s dealing with the loss of his wife Boryana and we just wanted to give our heartfelt thoughts out to him. Even though he s moved on to other business ventures I know many of us who know him he s still Tesla family 100% and that s the reason for the post rules aside. Stay strong JB. ❤️ [Info](https: twitter.com wholemarsblog status 1407094071173156864?s=21) [The Straubel Foundation](https: www.straubelfoundation.org ) by JB + Boryana | So sad. She worked at Tesla too I worked with her a couple times there. This isn t just a loss to Tesla s cofounder but to many employees there as well. | Horrific | 131 | 2 | 8,662 |
o5dphk | 63 | Just had my first ride I ve been interested in Tesla since the beginning but had my first ride in a friends Tesla just now. It was a model 3 LR AWD. HOLY SMOKES THIS THING IS FUCKING UNREAL IM SOLD. the acceleration is unbelievable!! I m still concerned about build quality and stuff but when thing drives like this I don t even care about anything. At least for now. It feels like a roller coaster can not be described in words!! | Literally no major issues with build quality. Friends and family have been through over 12 Teslas in the last 3 years. People just make a big deal out of nothing online. | There s nothing wrong with the build quality. Don t buy into the FUD. edit: the build quality is fine is what I meant. Not implying they re perfect in this regard just no worse than average. | 56 | 25 | 8,663 |
o5dphk | 63 | Just had my first ride I ve been interested in Tesla since the beginning but had my first ride in a friends Tesla just now. It was a model 3 LR AWD. HOLY SMOKES THIS THING IS FUCKING UNREAL IM SOLD. the acceleration is unbelievable!! I m still concerned about build quality and stuff but when thing drives like this I don t even care about anything. At least for now. It feels like a roller coaster can not be described in words!! | Literally no major issues with build quality. Friends and family have been through over 12 Teslas in the last 3 years. People just make a big deal out of nothing online. | Tesla s marketing strategy in a nutshell | 56 | 30 | 8,664 |
o5lw79 | 323 | Inside camera 100% monitoring eye movement. Upgraded from a 2014 MS with autopilot to a 2021 pure vision model 3. When on autopilot and I glance down at my phone I almost always get the audible beep to apply light force. When not glancing away from the road I get the warning at approx 45 second intervals. Very happy Tesla applied this update | Don t tread on me type here. Yeah after having driven with Tesla FSD for a few months having a camera watch eye response is probably a good move on Tesla s part. It will shut down the but idiots can drive from the back seat chorus in the press. | I have a 2013 Model S with comma.ai and though it is not as advanced as Tesla s Autopilot it does come with driver monitoring with a front facing camera. This means no steering wheel nag at all as long as you are looking at the road. I have read that Autopilot applies much more torque to the steering wheel in comparison to the comma (which is why they want your hands near the wheel). But seems like Tesla is making good progress on their own driver monitoring as well to remove the nag. | 133 | 8 | 8,665 |
o5lw79 | 323 | Inside camera 100% monitoring eye movement. Upgraded from a 2014 MS with autopilot to a 2021 pure vision model 3. When on autopilot and I glance down at my phone I almost always get the audible beep to apply light force. When not glancing away from the road I get the warning at approx 45 second intervals. Very happy Tesla applied this update | I d really like it if it shifted to eyes only and not require my hands on the wheel. | I ve noticed this too but I wasn t sure if it was coincidence yet or not. Had trouble triggering it on purpose but it s definitely chimed at me immediately when I look down at my phone before. | 121 | 2 | 8,666 |
o5lw79 | 323 | Inside camera 100% monitoring eye movement. Upgraded from a 2014 MS with autopilot to a 2021 pure vision model 3. When on autopilot and I glance down at my phone I almost always get the audible beep to apply light force. When not glancing away from the road I get the warning at approx 45 second intervals. Very happy Tesla applied this update | I d really like it if it shifted to eyes only and not require my hands on the wheel. | I have a 2013 Model S with comma.ai and though it is not as advanced as Tesla s Autopilot it does come with driver monitoring with a front facing camera. This means no steering wheel nag at all as long as you are looking at the road. I have read that Autopilot applies much more torque to the steering wheel in comparison to the comma (which is why they want your hands near the wheel). But seems like Tesla is making good progress on their own driver monitoring as well to remove the nag. | 121 | 8 | 8,667 |
o5lwt9 | 97 | Looking for help advice anything regarding my leased Model Y. Been 6 months and still haven t been sent a license plate car still isn t registered ***UPDATE IN COMMENTS*** ***UPDATE #2 - No callback again another broken promise. Will keep the fight going tomorrow and will have any updates on a new post. Thanks everyone in this community for your support. ***UPDATE #3 - GOT A CALLBACK! 1) Plates being processed tomorrow will receive call with tracking number. 2) Rental car being set up at nearest Enterprise to drive until plates arrive. Slightly disappointing they aren t providing a Tesla loaner but it s something. 3)I will be notified as to terms of reimbursement for lease payments made for time car has had expired tags. Not all the way there yet but great progress made. I like to think this was in part brought about by the support and helpful words of this sub. Another hopefully final update coming soon... Original story: Here it goes.. We leased a model Y in Jan 2021. We have yet to receive a license plate and the car still is not registered with the state of Texas. Again we leased the car in January. I have called countless times been promised call backs been reassured that the case has been escalated in priority been told the Fort Worth manager Jennifer is aware of my reaching out and would call me back. And yet here we are closing in on end of June with no license plate and no temporary tags and no callbacks. We have had a car that for 44 days and counting we cannot legally drive. A car that we continue to pay our monthly lease payment because we uphold our end of a contract. Yet the team in Fort Worth won t even communicate with us the status let alone accomplish the simple task of registering our car. I also own a Model 3. We love the cars. But this service is beyond repulsive and completely compromises our opinion of the Tesla brand. I believe we are well within our rights to receive compensation for the lease payments we are making for a car we can t legally drive. Like I said I ve called countless times spent many hours on hold and reaching out regarding this matter over the last few months. And still have nothing but a car we can t legally drive that we continue to make payments on. Please advise as to where we go from here. I feel I ve done everything I can. Any advice regarding legal options or ways to communicate with Tesla more effectively would be greatly appreciated. | If you re in Texas then you bought from Tesla in another state (on paper). It s probably California but figure it out. Then bug the dealer licensing regulators in that state. Tesla will fix things real quick once the regulators start calling. | Seems like registration is always a crapshoot whenever I buy a car these days. Everyone sucks at it which I why I liked when I lived in Delaware and Tesla would just mail me the certificate of origin. I don t think you re within your rights to be refunded your lease payments. Might be a bit of a stretch. | 43 | 2 | 8,668 |
o5lwt9 | 97 | Looking for help advice anything regarding my leased Model Y. Been 6 months and still haven t been sent a license plate car still isn t registered ***UPDATE IN COMMENTS*** ***UPDATE #2 - No callback again another broken promise. Will keep the fight going tomorrow and will have any updates on a new post. Thanks everyone in this community for your support. ***UPDATE #3 - GOT A CALLBACK! 1) Plates being processed tomorrow will receive call with tracking number. 2) Rental car being set up at nearest Enterprise to drive until plates arrive. Slightly disappointing they aren t providing a Tesla loaner but it s something. 3)I will be notified as to terms of reimbursement for lease payments made for time car has had expired tags. Not all the way there yet but great progress made. I like to think this was in part brought about by the support and helpful words of this sub. Another hopefully final update coming soon... Original story: Here it goes.. We leased a model Y in Jan 2021. We have yet to receive a license plate and the car still is not registered with the state of Texas. Again we leased the car in January. I have called countless times been promised call backs been reassured that the case has been escalated in priority been told the Fort Worth manager Jennifer is aware of my reaching out and would call me back. And yet here we are closing in on end of June with no license plate and no temporary tags and no callbacks. We have had a car that for 44 days and counting we cannot legally drive. A car that we continue to pay our monthly lease payment because we uphold our end of a contract. Yet the team in Fort Worth won t even communicate with us the status let alone accomplish the simple task of registering our car. I also own a Model 3. We love the cars. But this service is beyond repulsive and completely compromises our opinion of the Tesla brand. I believe we are well within our rights to receive compensation for the lease payments we are making for a car we can t legally drive. Like I said I ve called countless times spent many hours on hold and reaching out regarding this matter over the last few months. And still have nothing but a car we can t legally drive that we continue to make payments on. Please advise as to where we go from here. I feel I ve done everything I can. Any advice regarding legal options or ways to communicate with Tesla more effectively would be greatly appreciated. | If you re in Texas then you bought from Tesla in another state (on paper). It s probably California but figure it out. Then bug the dealer licensing regulators in that state. Tesla will fix things real quick once the regulators start calling. | Call everyday all day until someone gets something done. Try emailing autofinance@tesla.com and see if they can help. They re the only ones that were ever responsive in my purchase journey and got things done | 43 | 6 | 8,669 |
o5s6aj | 61 | Keeping M3 Standard charged to 100% Hey there I have a Model 3 Standard (not SR+). It has the same battery as the SR+ but is software limited by around 10% I believe. That being said charging to 100% in theory is actually charging the battery to 90%. Do you agree with this logic? | There was a person in another thread with one of the software limited Model X s and they were told by Tesla to charge to 100% since it was actually only 80%. The best way to confirm this would be to plug in an ODB scanner and see what your pack voltage is at at 100%. | Yes I do. There has always been some back and forth regarding whether the SR battery is software locked at the top or bottom but the general consensus is that it s locked at the top. This was verified (I think) by supercharging: IIRC- the supercharging rate does not slow down as you reach 100% as much as people were expecting. So essentially your 100% charge is only 90% -give or take- of the total battery capacity. You could test the supercharger theory as well. Hope this helps :) | 110 | 30 | 8,670 |
o69bat | 47 | Which tesla trip planner is the best for a long road trip? I plan on going on a long road trip on my Tesla and I want to get the best trip planner that won t disappoint. Any suggestions? | Built in Tesla Nav or A Better Route Planner (for me). Hey Tesla buy it? lol | A Better Route Planner is considered the best generally. | 82 | 37 | 8,671 |
o6hd66 | 297 | Tesla got me I m a programmer and am messing around with the Tesla auth system data API. One of the endpoints returns some HTML and here s a snippet at the bottom of it: < script src= static js tds-text-inputs--password.js type= application javascript > < script> \\n + \\n + < !-- @todo rolling index crypto keys: http: bitly.com 2WXBRNp --> \\n + < script type= text javascript src= -pbR6H N7 On Wrkx HvktaWI7GZ ri9GtttG U3FqJk0lAg XBBZD AMOQy8 > < script> < body> \\n + < html> \\n Gullible me thinks hm what is this TODO some programmer added about crypto keys?... let s find out For your convenience: [http: bitly.com 2WXBRNp](http: bitly.com 2WXBRNp) | Should ve removed the thumbnail now you can t rickroll us | Lol! You must be joking!! | 138 | 6 | 8,672 |
o6hd66 | 297 | Tesla got me I m a programmer and am messing around with the Tesla auth system data API. One of the endpoints returns some HTML and here s a snippet at the bottom of it: < script src= static js tds-text-inputs--password.js type= application javascript > < script> \\n + \\n + < !-- @todo rolling index crypto keys: http: bitly.com 2WXBRNp --> \\n + < script type= text javascript src= -pbR6H N7 On Wrkx HvktaWI7GZ ri9GtttG U3FqJk0lAg XBBZD AMOQy8 > < script> < body> \\n + < html> \\n Gullible me thinks hm what is this TODO some programmer added about crypto keys?... let s find out For your convenience: [http: bitly.com 2WXBRNp](http: bitly.com 2WXBRNp) | I got a decent bounty a couple years ago from tesla for something similar to this I wouldn t be surprised if you find something similar by tracking where jokes appear & the different responses you get. Just something to keep in mind as you poke in case you stumble upon something. Mine was with their garage API. rather than 403 ing requesting data for VINs I did not have on my car s credentials it would give me a 404 page. They wanted some security by obscurity by doing 404s everywhere instead a 403 when you didn t have permission or 403s instead of 404s when something doesnt exist (like amazon does in s3). However the 404 page when I requested an impossible VIN like SippieCup was different! So they actually were leaking all the valid VINs and reservation numbers that they were trying to hide by displaying a slightly different error message. This went even further since it would have allowed me to fuzz through the api in general. I thought it was kind of funny that the extra effort they went through actually make it less secure. | Lol! You must be joking!! | 85 | 6 | 8,673 |
o6hd66 | 297 | Tesla got me I m a programmer and am messing around with the Tesla auth system data API. One of the endpoints returns some HTML and here s a snippet at the bottom of it: < script src= static js tds-text-inputs--password.js type= application javascript > < script> \\n + \\n + < !-- @todo rolling index crypto keys: http: bitly.com 2WXBRNp --> \\n + < script type= text javascript src= -pbR6H N7 On Wrkx HvktaWI7GZ ri9GtttG U3FqJk0lAg XBBZD AMOQy8 > < script> < body> \\n + < html> \\n Gullible me thinks hm what is this TODO some programmer added about crypto keys?... let s find out For your convenience: [http: bitly.com 2WXBRNp](http: bitly.com 2WXBRNp) | I got a decent bounty a couple years ago from tesla for something similar to this I wouldn t be surprised if you find something similar by tracking where jokes appear & the different responses you get. Just something to keep in mind as you poke in case you stumble upon something. Mine was with their garage API. rather than 403 ing requesting data for VINs I did not have on my car s credentials it would give me a 404 page. They wanted some security by obscurity by doing 404s everywhere instead a 403 when you didn t have permission or 403s instead of 404s when something doesnt exist (like amazon does in s3). However the 404 page when I requested an impossible VIN like SippieCup was different! So they actually were leaking all the valid VINs and reservation numbers that they were trying to hide by displaying a slightly different error message. This went even further since it would have allowed me to fuzz through the api in general. I thought it was kind of funny that the extra effort they went through actually make it less secure. | And you didn t think API returning HTML is a hint at what s coming? :) | 85 | 8 | 8,674 |
o75xem | 276 | Interesting Observations About The New Vision Based Driver Monitoring System I ve been on 18.2 in my 2020 Model 3 for a few days now and I started to notice some drives I wouldn t get nearly as many nags as other drives. I couldn t figure out why until I realized that there is a very strong correlation to the type of eyewear I had on. I have been playing around with it the last two days and I have found that nearly 100% of the time I don t wear any eyewear or if I wear my eyeglasses I get nags every 30 seconds on the freeway in light traffic. BUT if I put on my sunglasses it goes much much longer between nags. I haven t been able to sort out why it behaves this way but so far my record is over 5 minutes and that was only ended because I had to change lanes. Is anyone else experiencing similar behavior? I love love love that it goes so long with my sunglasses on but I wish it would work the same way with no glasses or my regular eyeglasses. Hopefully that s the next improvement. | Out of curiosity what happens if you cover the camera? | That would seem backwards. I have one of those laptop camera sliders over mine. Wonder what that does? | 66 | 2 | 8,675 |
o75xem | 276 | Interesting Observations About The New Vision Based Driver Monitoring System I ve been on 18.2 in my 2020 Model 3 for a few days now and I started to notice some drives I wouldn t get nearly as many nags as other drives. I couldn t figure out why until I realized that there is a very strong correlation to the type of eyewear I had on. I have been playing around with it the last two days and I have found that nearly 100% of the time I don t wear any eyewear or if I wear my eyeglasses I get nags every 30 seconds on the freeway in light traffic. BUT if I put on my sunglasses it goes much much longer between nags. I haven t been able to sort out why it behaves this way but so far my record is over 5 minutes and that was only ended because I had to change lanes. Is anyone else experiencing similar behavior? I love love love that it goes so long with my sunglasses on but I wish it would work the same way with no glasses or my regular eyeglasses. Hopefully that s the next improvement. | Out of curiosity what happens if you cover the camera? | I was told that 18.2 does not use cabin camera in cars with radar. Was that false? | 66 | 2 | 8,676 |
o75xem | 276 | Interesting Observations About The New Vision Based Driver Monitoring System I ve been on 18.2 in my 2020 Model 3 for a few days now and I started to notice some drives I wouldn t get nearly as many nags as other drives. I couldn t figure out why until I realized that there is a very strong correlation to the type of eyewear I had on. I have been playing around with it the last two days and I have found that nearly 100% of the time I don t wear any eyewear or if I wear my eyeglasses I get nags every 30 seconds on the freeway in light traffic. BUT if I put on my sunglasses it goes much much longer between nags. I haven t been able to sort out why it behaves this way but so far my record is over 5 minutes and that was only ended because I had to change lanes. Is anyone else experiencing similar behavior? I love love love that it goes so long with my sunglasses on but I wish it would work the same way with no glasses or my regular eyeglasses. Hopefully that s the next improvement. | Out of curiosity what happens if you cover the camera? | Interesting. I also have observed that my car is nagging me less as well with sunglasses….wth? I have setting off to utilize in cabin camera though. Idk what s going on man lol. | 66 | 2 | 8,677 |
o77gf3 | 400 | Tesla should use backup camera to enable hands free trunk opening. I think Tesla could use their backup camera and awesome visual machine learning capability to allow for hands free trunk opening without adding a sensor. If the key is detected and it s in park and there s no driver in the car and there s a person standing (not walking) within about 3 feet of the back and they do a leg wave the car could recognize it and open the trunk. Bonus points if they can detect that your hands aren t free and turn up the response sensitivity when that condition is true. | Don t give them ideas for removing the open trunk button... | [https: xkcd.com 1425 ](https: xkcd.com 1425 ) & #x200B What you asked for is absurdly complicated. & #x200B Also IIRC the keys that come with the 3 Y are passive right? The car has no way of knowing you re close to it unless you re using the phone key or buy one of the active RFID fobs. | 351 | 3 | 8,678 |
o77gf3 | 400 | Tesla should use backup camera to enable hands free trunk opening. I think Tesla could use their backup camera and awesome visual machine learning capability to allow for hands free trunk opening without adding a sensor. If the key is detected and it s in park and there s no driver in the car and there s a person standing (not walking) within about 3 feet of the back and they do a leg wave the car could recognize it and open the trunk. Bonus points if they can detect that your hands aren t free and turn up the response sensitivity when that condition is true. | Don t give them ideas for removing the open trunk button... | This is like removing the rain sensor for wipers and using vision. Why reinvent something that s already been properly solved? Most mfgrs use a sensor under the rear bumper to do this and it works just great. | 351 | 6 | 8,679 |
o77gf3 | 400 | Tesla should use backup camera to enable hands free trunk opening. I think Tesla could use their backup camera and awesome visual machine learning capability to allow for hands free trunk opening without adding a sensor. If the key is detected and it s in park and there s no driver in the car and there s a person standing (not walking) within about 3 feet of the back and they do a leg wave the car could recognize it and open the trunk. Bonus points if they can detect that your hands aren t free and turn up the response sensitivity when that condition is true. | Don t give them ideas for removing the open trunk button... | I hope Tesla follows this thread or this idea has been sent to Elon. | 351 | 7 | 8,680 |
o8i8jy | 28 | My Tesla model Y performance will be ready in 3-7 weeks. I m installing a 14-50 outlet in my garage is that enough or should I go with the wall connector? I found a UMC G1 on Facebook market I was going to keep plugged in. Is it worth the upgrade for 8mw? Should read 8amps | Just do the 14-50. More flexible gives you an outlet for a future non Tesla charger if you want one. Plus the Gen 3 HPWCs have had some reliability and overheating problems. Finally the difference between charging at 48A with the HPWC versus 32A or whatever the mobile connector maxes out at is unimportant when you charge overnight. I have a HPWC and I like it but if I could do it again I would have gone with an outlet. | I charge my Model 3 with 6-20 which gives about 15mph. My wife s Model Y charges on 5-20 and gives about 6-7mph. You probably don t really need even 14-50 but it won t hurt. | 31 | 2 | 8,681 |
o8i8jy | 28 | My Tesla model Y performance will be ready in 3-7 weeks. I m installing a 14-50 outlet in my garage is that enough or should I go with the wall connector? I found a UMC G1 on Facebook market I was going to keep plugged in. Is it worth the upgrade for 8mw? Should read 8amps | Just do the 14-50. More flexible gives you an outlet for a future non Tesla charger if you want one. Plus the Gen 3 HPWCs have had some reliability and overheating problems. Finally the difference between charging at 48A with the HPWC versus 32A or whatever the mobile connector maxes out at is unimportant when you charge overnight. I have a HPWC and I like it but if I could do it again I would have gone with an outlet. | If you have the extra bread go for it. Definitely not needed though. If you re charging overnight mostly who cares if it s 3 5 or 7hrs? | 31 | 2 | 8,682 |
o8i8jy | 28 | My Tesla model Y performance will be ready in 3-7 weeks. I m installing a 14-50 outlet in my garage is that enough or should I go with the wall connector? I found a UMC G1 on Facebook market I was going to keep plugged in. Is it worth the upgrade for 8mw? Should read 8amps | Just do the 14-50. More flexible gives you an outlet for a future non Tesla charger if you want one. Plus the Gen 3 HPWCs have had some reliability and overheating problems. Finally the difference between charging at 48A with the HPWC versus 32A or whatever the mobile connector maxes out at is unimportant when you charge overnight. I have a HPWC and I like it but if I could do it again I would have gone with an outlet. | I have the 14-40 and constantly get 36 mi hr. The wall charger gets 44 so really not that much of a difference for $500. Either way the car will be fully charged overnight no worries. | 31 | 2 | 8,683 |
o8jchv | 357 | Tesla Dashcam got me out of a red light camera ticket finally A year ago (preCovid) I received a ticket for making a right turn on a red light at an intersection with a traffic camera. Then because of Covid I was unable to get a court date. Two cars behind me was an ambulance with lights and siren on and behind that was a fire truck who was honking as well as having sirens on. The red light camera conveniently only took a picture of my car making the right turn on the red light but not the ambulance. The Tesla rear camera caught everything. Now a year later when the courts have reopened I was able to show the video to the court and get the traffic costs refunded. | Perfect combination your perseverance and Tesla dashcam. | Hell yeah! | 110 | 9 | 8,684 |
o8jchv | 357 | Tesla Dashcam got me out of a red light camera ticket finally A year ago (preCovid) I received a ticket for making a right turn on a red light at an intersection with a traffic camera. Then because of Covid I was unable to get a court date. Two cars behind me was an ambulance with lights and siren on and behind that was a fire truck who was honking as well as having sirens on. The red light camera conveniently only took a picture of my car making the right turn on the red light but not the ambulance. The Tesla rear camera caught everything. Now a year later when the courts have reopened I was able to show the video to the court and get the traffic costs refunded. | Seems like you would have a civil case against the red light camera company. It is their system s failure to account for your situation that caused the ticket where a human LEO would not (likely) ticket you. P.S. I have a philosophical problem with all red light cameras and the incentives they create for making it extremely difficult to get out of erroneous tickets like OP s. | Nice! | 67 | 3 | 8,685 |
o8jchv | 357 | Tesla Dashcam got me out of a red light camera ticket finally A year ago (preCovid) I received a ticket for making a right turn on a red light at an intersection with a traffic camera. Then because of Covid I was unable to get a court date. Two cars behind me was an ambulance with lights and siren on and behind that was a fire truck who was honking as well as having sirens on. The red light camera conveniently only took a picture of my car making the right turn on the red light but not the ambulance. The Tesla rear camera caught everything. Now a year later when the courts have reopened I was able to show the video to the court and get the traffic costs refunded. | Seems like you would have a civil case against the red light camera company. It is their system s failure to account for your situation that caused the ticket where a human LEO would not (likely) ticket you. P.S. I have a philosophical problem with all red light cameras and the incentives they create for making it extremely difficult to get out of erroneous tickets like OP s. | In the UK you re not allowed to run a red to get out of emergency services way. Presume that s not there case in America then? | 67 | 3 | 8,686 |
o8xew5 | 62 | How to leave car running with occupants inside while running into the store? This may sound silly but I honestly haven t figured it out. What is the Tesla equivalent of leaving the keys in your running ICE car with occupants inside while the driver runs inside to grab something from the store? 1. Door locks controlled by occupants 2. climate on 3. Audio still playing 4. no alarm if occupants get in out of car | I always leave it on dog mode for my family lol | Passengers touching the screen will wake the car back up. And if it s someone in the back seat just leave it on dog mode | 93 | 15 | 8,687 |
o8xew5 | 62 | How to leave car running with occupants inside while running into the store? This may sound silly but I honestly haven t figured it out. What is the Tesla equivalent of leaving the keys in your running ICE car with occupants inside while the driver runs inside to grab something from the store? 1. Door locks controlled by occupants 2. climate on 3. Audio still playing 4. no alarm if occupants get in out of car | I usually use “leave climate on -> Camp” to do that. It s officially camping mode but it leaves the screen on climate on controllable by the passengers and there s no alarms. (In my Model S if I forgot passengers can just touch the touch screen and wake everything up. I ve found that in my Model 3 that s not always the case and sometimes it takes weight on the driver s seat and a tap of the screen otherwise it ignores you) | Passengers touching the screen will wake the car back up. And if it s someone in the back seat just leave it on dog mode | 61 | 15 | 8,688 |
o8xew5 | 62 | How to leave car running with occupants inside while running into the store? This may sound silly but I honestly haven t figured it out. What is the Tesla equivalent of leaving the keys in your running ICE car with occupants inside while the driver runs inside to grab something from the store? 1. Door locks controlled by occupants 2. climate on 3. Audio still playing 4. no alarm if occupants get in out of car | I always leave it on dog mode for my family lol | I usually use “leave climate on -> Camp” to do that. It s officially camping mode but it leaves the screen on climate on controllable by the passengers and there s no alarms. (In my Model S if I forgot passengers can just touch the touch screen and wake everything up. I ve found that in my Model 3 that s not always the case and sometimes it takes weight on the driver s seat and a tap of the screen otherwise it ignores you) | 93 | 61 | 8,689 |
o9mtcp | 125 | Frustration over broken chargers So it s great that Tesla tells you X amount of chargers is out of service. But guess what it doesn t say? Which ones! For example I got to a 20 bay charger yesterday. 2 chargers are out of service. 1 is available as I had just pulled up I have no idea which one is the magically working one. I have to go try them all and in that time someone else Pulls up takes one (which happens to work) and I m still stuck guessing. Surely there has to be a way for them to label them and say (3 18) aren t working. Etc. I live in the Bay Area so once in a while a kind soul will put a piece of paper on the charger or a trash bag but there has to be a more efficient way! | Try getting to a popular supercharger (Harris Ranch CA) in the middle of the night with 8% with every single stall out of order. Called Tesla and they said they were aware of it yet the car still said they were working. I ve only had that experience once in the year I ve owned the car but driving backwards 30 minutes @ 40-55 mph on the freeway to get to the closest charger with 1% battery is not fun. I ve had nothing but good experiences with the car but I was beyond upset that night. | i feel your frustration my local tesla always has at least half of the stalls nonfunctional. i went to email the tesla address i ve seen around here only to get a response that it is no longer monitored. | 31 | 5 | 8,690 |
o9mtcp | 125 | Frustration over broken chargers So it s great that Tesla tells you X amount of chargers is out of service. But guess what it doesn t say? Which ones! For example I got to a 20 bay charger yesterday. 2 chargers are out of service. 1 is available as I had just pulled up I have no idea which one is the magically working one. I have to go try them all and in that time someone else Pulls up takes one (which happens to work) and I m still stuck guessing. Surely there has to be a way for them to label them and say (3 18) aren t working. Etc. I live in the Bay Area so once in a while a kind soul will put a piece of paper on the charger or a trash bag but there has to be a more efficient way! | I d just prefer the Tesla to say “recommended stall to take” and give the stall number. Especially handy on older superchargers that share power. And in the case of full superchargers it could still use the recommended stall and show time remaining of person charging at that stall. | i feel your frustration my local tesla always has at least half of the stalls nonfunctional. i went to email the tesla address i ve seen around here only to get a response that it is no longer monitored. | 31 | 5 | 8,691 |
o9w1oz | 205 | Yoke Adventures 4 is here Probably my last Yoke Adventure video--this one has quick demos of shuffle steering getting through a traffic circle roundabout and parallel parking. [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-dZdbJph A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-dZdbJph A) & #x200B EDIT: I am adding a couple of things up here since there are some consistent comments questions: * The yoke is no better than a wheel -- yes and that is the point. It is functionally comparable to a wheel once you acclimate. However the change to the yoke gives you some broader benefits aesthetic and functional benefits in the car for example a more open cockpit a simplified control scheme and the ability of the UI designers to make full use of the screen instead of being limited to what is visible in the venter of the wheel and what might be obscured by the driver s hands and arms * Roundabouts and turn signals -- one thing I am really coming to appreciate is always have turn signals under my thumb. I don t need to move my hand to reach a turn signal stalk or even loosen my grip to free up a finger to flick the stalk. My hands remain firmly wrapped around the yoke. I think that is superior to a stalk--takes some getting used to no doubt but I think its better. Also if a round wheel ever comes out its going to have the same buttons--this is not a yoke-related thing * You look awkward -- yeah friends would say that is my natural state :) but also because I am showing you things I don t normally do like parallel park or shuffle steer. Even with roundabouts I had to drive 20 min to get to that one in the video so muscle memory is still a work in progress--if I lived in that neighborhood I am sure I d have that nailed. For my everyday driving life with the yoke is easy and drama-free but I am pretty sure no one really wants to watch a video of me going to In-N-Out: it would be boring and that is also the point too. | These videos are convincing me I don t want a yoke. | wide open lanes barely any traffic. call me when someone posts a video that actually has challenging driving conditions. parking garages small spaces sharp lane changes e.g. | 114 | 2 | 8,692 |
o9w1oz | 205 | Yoke Adventures 4 is here Probably my last Yoke Adventure video--this one has quick demos of shuffle steering getting through a traffic circle roundabout and parallel parking. [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-dZdbJph A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-dZdbJph A) & #x200B EDIT: I am adding a couple of things up here since there are some consistent comments questions: * The yoke is no better than a wheel -- yes and that is the point. It is functionally comparable to a wheel once you acclimate. However the change to the yoke gives you some broader benefits aesthetic and functional benefits in the car for example a more open cockpit a simplified control scheme and the ability of the UI designers to make full use of the screen instead of being limited to what is visible in the venter of the wheel and what might be obscured by the driver s hands and arms * Roundabouts and turn signals -- one thing I am really coming to appreciate is always have turn signals under my thumb. I don t need to move my hand to reach a turn signal stalk or even loosen my grip to free up a finger to flick the stalk. My hands remain firmly wrapped around the yoke. I think that is superior to a stalk--takes some getting used to no doubt but I think its better. Also if a round wheel ever comes out its going to have the same buttons--this is not a yoke-related thing * You look awkward -- yeah friends would say that is my natural state :) but also because I am showing you things I don t normally do like parallel park or shuffle steer. Even with roundabouts I had to drive 20 min to get to that one in the video so muscle memory is still a work in progress--if I lived in that neighborhood I am sure I d have that nailed. For my everyday driving life with the yoke is easy and drama-free but I am pretty sure no one really wants to watch a video of me going to In-N-Out: it would be boring and that is also the point too. | These videos are convincing me I don t want a yoke. | I would honestly really love a Yoke if the steering ratio was significantly changed and I almost never had to reposition my hand on the wheel | 114 | 4 | 8,693 |
o9w1oz | 205 | Yoke Adventures 4 is here Probably my last Yoke Adventure video--this one has quick demos of shuffle steering getting through a traffic circle roundabout and parallel parking. [https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-dZdbJph A](https: osultan.smugmug.com Cars Refresh-Model-S n-jF42tn i-dZdbJph A) & #x200B EDIT: I am adding a couple of things up here since there are some consistent comments questions: * The yoke is no better than a wheel -- yes and that is the point. It is functionally comparable to a wheel once you acclimate. However the change to the yoke gives you some broader benefits aesthetic and functional benefits in the car for example a more open cockpit a simplified control scheme and the ability of the UI designers to make full use of the screen instead of being limited to what is visible in the venter of the wheel and what might be obscured by the driver s hands and arms * Roundabouts and turn signals -- one thing I am really coming to appreciate is always have turn signals under my thumb. I don t need to move my hand to reach a turn signal stalk or even loosen my grip to free up a finger to flick the stalk. My hands remain firmly wrapped around the yoke. I think that is superior to a stalk--takes some getting used to no doubt but I think its better. Also if a round wheel ever comes out its going to have the same buttons--this is not a yoke-related thing * You look awkward -- yeah friends would say that is my natural state :) but also because I am showing you things I don t normally do like parallel park or shuffle steer. Even with roundabouts I had to drive 20 min to get to that one in the video so muscle memory is still a work in progress--if I lived in that neighborhood I am sure I d have that nailed. For my everyday driving life with the yoke is easy and drama-free but I am pretty sure no one really wants to watch a video of me going to In-N-Out: it would be boring and that is also the point too. | These videos are convincing me I don t want a yoke. | His demo of Push Pull steering is wrong. That s not push pull. In most of his video if he hit the accelerator while his hand is crossed over the yoke the car would be effectively uncontrolled. Given it s a yoke and not a wheel it s 50 50 if he could re-grab it and control the vehicle. | 114 | 7 | 8,694 |
o9ywhr | 70 | If you buy FSD will tesla retrofit hardware upgrades as they are needed? Basically the title. If you buy FSD today and next year it turns out they need a better FSD computer or more\\\\better cameras does your purchase of FSD now guarantee that tesla will retrofit your car with the necessary upgrades to make FSD fully functional at no cost? | They ll need to upgrade as they ve been very clear and continue to state: “All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver s seat.” Source: https: www.tesla.com autopilot “All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware. We are excited to announce that as of today all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver.” Source (October 2016): https: www.tesla.com blog all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware Both pages are still live on Tesla s site and widely indexed on search engines. There s no ambiguity: Full Self Driving substantially greater than a human with no action required by the driver in almost all circumstances. | No one knows. This was the case with older vehicles like my 2018 Model 3 which did not come with HW3. When I purchased FSD that got me the complimentary upgrade from the HW2 FSD computer to HW3. Whether or not Tesla would follow suit with “HW4” or whatever is something only Tesla would know. | 39 | 2 | 8,695 |
o9ywhr | 70 | If you buy FSD will tesla retrofit hardware upgrades as they are needed? Basically the title. If you buy FSD today and next year it turns out they need a better FSD computer or more\\\\better cameras does your purchase of FSD now guarantee that tesla will retrofit your car with the necessary upgrades to make FSD fully functional at no cost? | I bought FSD for a 2018 Model 3 Performance and they upgraded me from HW2.5 to HW3 for free. I ve since had a Model X that came with HW3 but after lots of experience and reading I haven t purchased FSD for my 2021 Model 3 because I m skeptical Tesla will repeat the free upgrade I saw in 2019 for my 2018 car. That s just because I ve experienced a degradation in customer service and attention to detail over the years. (The 2021 3 is my 5th Tesla) | It s really anyone s guess :( What has already happened was that HW2 and 2.5 were not enough to deliver any semblance of full self driving so everyone who paid got the computer upgrade to the HW3 computer. Perhaps oversimplifying but maybe one of two things can happen from now: 1. HW3 is also not capable of FSD by any definition and Tesla moves to HW4 2. HW3 can deliver some basic form of FSD that meets their definition of delivering it to you. HW4 will exist that is even more capable. In that second scenario it s theoretically possible that Tesla will leave behind HW2 3 FSD purchasers on HW3. Though the computer itself isn t actually all that expensive compared to maintaining two separate software branches of FSD. I would bet that Tesla continues retrofitting computers if that is the only component needed to help accelerate their path to FSD. But I don t have any insider info here. | 63 | 27 | 8,696 |
o9ywhr | 70 | If you buy FSD will tesla retrofit hardware upgrades as they are needed? Basically the title. If you buy FSD today and next year it turns out they need a better FSD computer or more\\\\better cameras does your purchase of FSD now guarantee that tesla will retrofit your car with the necessary upgrades to make FSD fully functional at no cost? | They ll need to upgrade as they ve been very clear and continue to state: “All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver s seat.” Source: https: www.tesla.com autopilot “All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware. We are excited to announce that as of today all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver.” Source (October 2016): https: www.tesla.com blog all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware Both pages are still live on Tesla s site and widely indexed on search engines. There s no ambiguity: Full Self Driving substantially greater than a human with no action required by the driver in almost all circumstances. | No | 39 | 3 | 8,697 |
oa6qzy | 27 | Model 3 squeaking while turning I have a 2018 Model 3 and recently started hearing squeaking when I turn or go over bumps at low speeds. I am in a wet rainy environment. I m not sure if it s a rust issue or something is loose. Anyone else have this issue and know what components to check? | The ball joint in your upper control arm is going bad. This is a known issue on the 2018 Model 3. | Probably a control arm issue. Took mine in recently to have it fixed. Contact service. | 50 | 11 | 8,698 |
oa7smp | 39 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | A slight delay in the HVAC system before shutting off when closing the doors. It drives me crazy when I buckle my kids in their car seats close the back door AC shuts off I open driver door and it turns on again. A 5 second delay would avoid the on-off. | Feature request for back doors: Make them so they pop open like the front doors. If you press the door open button in front the doors pop open. If you press it on the back doors the door will unlatch and relatch if you aren t also pushing the door (model 3). | 66 | 2 | 8,699 |
oa7smp | 39 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | A slight delay in the HVAC system before shutting off when closing the doors. It drives me crazy when I buckle my kids in their car seats close the back door AC shuts off I open driver door and it turns on again. A 5 second delay would avoid the on-off. | Google Maps navigation the current provider typically gives inefficient routes and is generally quite buggy. Then they could also implement the 3 various routes a user can choose from before they start their trip. | 66 | 2 | 8,700 |
oa7smp | 39 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | A slight delay in the HVAC system before shutting off when closing the doors. It drives me crazy when I buckle my kids in their car seats close the back door AC shuts off I open driver door and it turns on again. A 5 second delay would avoid the on-off. | When I am pulling in to the garage I always have the rear view camera with the side cams up to see my surroundings when I am going forward. They could have an options in conjunction with home link triggering to turn on the backup camera to automate one step for me. | 66 | 2 | 8,701 |
oadr50 | 684 | 0-60 doesn t tell the full story let s put Plaid Model S s 60-130mph time in perspective. On the surface a 1.99-2.2s (depends on how you measure it) 0-60mph time is absurdly quick but doesn t seem like a material leap from 2.2-2.4s achieved by previous record holders (918 Spyder Model S Performance Taycan Turbo S etc). But what Tesla truly achieved with the Plaid powertrain is how much quicker it is at higher speed acceleration. So I m doing a short list of comparing the Plaid Model S to some of the quickest accelerating cars ever built in history EV and ICE alike. Note: I used magazine test time whenever possible for all the cars below and drag strip timeslips if magazine test numbers are not available and finally user submitted Draggy Vbox times (this is when it gets unreliable). Test: 60-130mph 2011 Ferrari F1: [~2.6s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=VGNRaNVDCTU) (purely for reference current F1 cars are much faster even but I can t find data). 2021 Rimac Nevera: [3.39s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=QXe4X3rYIPw) **Lol WTF BBQ I guess sets a target for the future Roadster to beat** 2021 Bugatti Chiron Sport: [4.1s](https: www.caranddriver.com news a35105452 bugatti-chiron-tested-quickest-car-ever ) (I don t think we ll see a pure ICE production car exceeding this ever again). 2021 McLaren 765LT (ECU tune): [4.16s](https: youtu.be nlFwDuG6CrU?t=301) (only non-stock car on this list but the modification is minimal and only shows how much McLaren sandbagged their turbo cars like usual). **2021 Tesla Plaid Model S**: [4.71s](https: www.motortrend.com news tesla-model-s-plaid-test-data-analysis-milestones-records ) 2021 McLaren 765LT (stock): [4.76s](https: youtu.be AIT4gMy-DIw?t=283) 2013 McLaren P1: [4.8s](https: www.motortrend.com news mclaren-p1-how-i-set-the-motor-trend-production-car-record ) (this was mind bogglingly fast when it came out 8 years ago) 2021 Ferrari SF90: [4.97s](https: youtu.be -WQrWrPMFGc?t=472) 2013 Ferrari LaFerrari: [5s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews a15107243 ferrari-laferrari-hypercar-tested-review ) 2017 McLaren 720S: [5.37s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=tRjuQXhBnU4) (for a mainstream supercar this was a performance landmark when it first came out 4 years ago) 2020 Ferrari F8: [6.21s](http: www.dragtimes.com 2020-Ferrari-F8-Tributo-Videos-31450.html) 2021 Porsche 992 911 Turbo S: [6.7s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews a32065924 2021-porsche-911-turbo-s-drive ) **2019 Porsche Taycan Turbo S**: [8.1s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews comparison-test a30799498 2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-vs-2020-tesla-model-s-performance ) (the previous king of production EVs) **2020 Tesla Model S Performance (Raven)**: [9.4s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews comparison-test a30799498 2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-vs-2020-tesla-model-s-performance ) (This is why people called the old Model S a one trick pony of 0-60. It wasn t competitive against actual ICE performance cars back then). **2018 Model 3 Performance (Pre-power boost)**: [13.1s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews a36329678 2019-tesla-model-3-performance-by-the-numbers ) Edit: Added bonus a comprehensive list including many modified vehicles: https: www.dragtimes.com vbox-60-130-times.php As one can see the Model S Plaid is cream the crop among even the quickest super hypercars in terms of 60-130mph time. Obviously there is a lot more to an overall vehicle s performance than just a couple cherry-picked metrics but what Tesla achieved here is absolutely remarkable. An interesting perspective is how far Tesla has improved upon their own car. The Plaid is literally **twice as quick** at 60-130mph as the previously quickest Tesla and that s almost downplayed by everyone since the 0-60 number made for better marketing material. The future of automotive performance is electric. The overall performance crown will be worn by hybrids in the very near future and then it will transition to pure BEVs as battery tech gets better and better. By then ICE sports cars will be enjoyed in the same manner as high end mechanical watches not because they perform better than an Apple Watch or even a cheap Casio but because of other subjective and emotional factors. | I mean... the game winner here is always that literally every one of these competitors on the performance front is an exotic hypercar costing 5-10x while model s is a comfortable family sedan. | Pretty sure no one really debates electric is where performance lies... But does 0-60 and 60-130 -- really mean anything in the day to day driving of average buyers? | 220 | 2 | 8,702 |
oadr50 | 684 | 0-60 doesn t tell the full story let s put Plaid Model S s 60-130mph time in perspective. On the surface a 1.99-2.2s (depends on how you measure it) 0-60mph time is absurdly quick but doesn t seem like a material leap from 2.2-2.4s achieved by previous record holders (918 Spyder Model S Performance Taycan Turbo S etc). But what Tesla truly achieved with the Plaid powertrain is how much quicker it is at higher speed acceleration. So I m doing a short list of comparing the Plaid Model S to some of the quickest accelerating cars ever built in history EV and ICE alike. Note: I used magazine test time whenever possible for all the cars below and drag strip timeslips if magazine test numbers are not available and finally user submitted Draggy Vbox times (this is when it gets unreliable). Test: 60-130mph 2011 Ferrari F1: [~2.6s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=VGNRaNVDCTU) (purely for reference current F1 cars are much faster even but I can t find data). 2021 Rimac Nevera: [3.39s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=QXe4X3rYIPw) **Lol WTF BBQ I guess sets a target for the future Roadster to beat** 2021 Bugatti Chiron Sport: [4.1s](https: www.caranddriver.com news a35105452 bugatti-chiron-tested-quickest-car-ever ) (I don t think we ll see a pure ICE production car exceeding this ever again). 2021 McLaren 765LT (ECU tune): [4.16s](https: youtu.be nlFwDuG6CrU?t=301) (only non-stock car on this list but the modification is minimal and only shows how much McLaren sandbagged their turbo cars like usual). **2021 Tesla Plaid Model S**: [4.71s](https: www.motortrend.com news tesla-model-s-plaid-test-data-analysis-milestones-records ) 2021 McLaren 765LT (stock): [4.76s](https: youtu.be AIT4gMy-DIw?t=283) 2013 McLaren P1: [4.8s](https: www.motortrend.com news mclaren-p1-how-i-set-the-motor-trend-production-car-record ) (this was mind bogglingly fast when it came out 8 years ago) 2021 Ferrari SF90: [4.97s](https: youtu.be -WQrWrPMFGc?t=472) 2013 Ferrari LaFerrari: [5s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews a15107243 ferrari-laferrari-hypercar-tested-review ) 2017 McLaren 720S: [5.37s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=tRjuQXhBnU4) (for a mainstream supercar this was a performance landmark when it first came out 4 years ago) 2020 Ferrari F8: [6.21s](http: www.dragtimes.com 2020-Ferrari-F8-Tributo-Videos-31450.html) 2021 Porsche 992 911 Turbo S: [6.7s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews a32065924 2021-porsche-911-turbo-s-drive ) **2019 Porsche Taycan Turbo S**: [8.1s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews comparison-test a30799498 2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-vs-2020-tesla-model-s-performance ) (the previous king of production EVs) **2020 Tesla Model S Performance (Raven)**: [9.4s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews comparison-test a30799498 2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-vs-2020-tesla-model-s-performance ) (This is why people called the old Model S a one trick pony of 0-60. It wasn t competitive against actual ICE performance cars back then). **2018 Model 3 Performance (Pre-power boost)**: [13.1s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews a36329678 2019-tesla-model-3-performance-by-the-numbers ) Edit: Added bonus a comprehensive list including many modified vehicles: https: www.dragtimes.com vbox-60-130-times.php As one can see the Model S Plaid is cream the crop among even the quickest super hypercars in terms of 60-130mph time. Obviously there is a lot more to an overall vehicle s performance than just a couple cherry-picked metrics but what Tesla achieved here is absolutely remarkable. An interesting perspective is how far Tesla has improved upon their own car. The Plaid is literally **twice as quick** at 60-130mph as the previously quickest Tesla and that s almost downplayed by everyone since the 0-60 number made for better marketing material. The future of automotive performance is electric. The overall performance crown will be worn by hybrids in the very near future and then it will transition to pure BEVs as battery tech gets better and better. By then ICE sports cars will be enjoyed in the same manner as high end mechanical watches not because they perform better than an Apple Watch or even a cheap Casio but because of other subjective and emotional factors. | I mean... the game winner here is always that literally every one of these competitors on the performance front is an exotic hypercar costing 5-10x while model s is a comfortable family sedan. | I agree. The consistent power output to top speed is the most amazing thing to me about Plaid. The loss of power after 100+ mph was the only drawback that gave ICE sports cars a chance with the previous Model S. That s gone now. | 220 | 40 | 8,703 |
oadr50 | 684 | 0-60 doesn t tell the full story let s put Plaid Model S s 60-130mph time in perspective. On the surface a 1.99-2.2s (depends on how you measure it) 0-60mph time is absurdly quick but doesn t seem like a material leap from 2.2-2.4s achieved by previous record holders (918 Spyder Model S Performance Taycan Turbo S etc). But what Tesla truly achieved with the Plaid powertrain is how much quicker it is at higher speed acceleration. So I m doing a short list of comparing the Plaid Model S to some of the quickest accelerating cars ever built in history EV and ICE alike. Note: I used magazine test time whenever possible for all the cars below and drag strip timeslips if magazine test numbers are not available and finally user submitted Draggy Vbox times (this is when it gets unreliable). Test: 60-130mph 2011 Ferrari F1: [~2.6s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=VGNRaNVDCTU) (purely for reference current F1 cars are much faster even but I can t find data). 2021 Rimac Nevera: [3.39s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=QXe4X3rYIPw) **Lol WTF BBQ I guess sets a target for the future Roadster to beat** 2021 Bugatti Chiron Sport: [4.1s](https: www.caranddriver.com news a35105452 bugatti-chiron-tested-quickest-car-ever ) (I don t think we ll see a pure ICE production car exceeding this ever again). 2021 McLaren 765LT (ECU tune): [4.16s](https: youtu.be nlFwDuG6CrU?t=301) (only non-stock car on this list but the modification is minimal and only shows how much McLaren sandbagged their turbo cars like usual). **2021 Tesla Plaid Model S**: [4.71s](https: www.motortrend.com news tesla-model-s-plaid-test-data-analysis-milestones-records ) 2021 McLaren 765LT (stock): [4.76s](https: youtu.be AIT4gMy-DIw?t=283) 2013 McLaren P1: [4.8s](https: www.motortrend.com news mclaren-p1-how-i-set-the-motor-trend-production-car-record ) (this was mind bogglingly fast when it came out 8 years ago) 2021 Ferrari SF90: [4.97s](https: youtu.be -WQrWrPMFGc?t=472) 2013 Ferrari LaFerrari: [5s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews a15107243 ferrari-laferrari-hypercar-tested-review ) 2017 McLaren 720S: [5.37s](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=tRjuQXhBnU4) (for a mainstream supercar this was a performance landmark when it first came out 4 years ago) 2020 Ferrari F8: [6.21s](http: www.dragtimes.com 2020-Ferrari-F8-Tributo-Videos-31450.html) 2021 Porsche 992 911 Turbo S: [6.7s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews a32065924 2021-porsche-911-turbo-s-drive ) **2019 Porsche Taycan Turbo S**: [8.1s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews comparison-test a30799498 2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-vs-2020-tesla-model-s-performance ) (the previous king of production EVs) **2020 Tesla Model S Performance (Raven)**: [9.4s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews comparison-test a30799498 2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-vs-2020-tesla-model-s-performance ) (This is why people called the old Model S a one trick pony of 0-60. It wasn t competitive against actual ICE performance cars back then). **2018 Model 3 Performance (Pre-power boost)**: [13.1s](https: www.caranddriver.com reviews a36329678 2019-tesla-model-3-performance-by-the-numbers ) Edit: Added bonus a comprehensive list including many modified vehicles: https: www.dragtimes.com vbox-60-130-times.php As one can see the Model S Plaid is cream the crop among even the quickest super hypercars in terms of 60-130mph time. Obviously there is a lot more to an overall vehicle s performance than just a couple cherry-picked metrics but what Tesla achieved here is absolutely remarkable. An interesting perspective is how far Tesla has improved upon their own car. The Plaid is literally **twice as quick** at 60-130mph as the previously quickest Tesla and that s almost downplayed by everyone since the 0-60 number made for better marketing material. The future of automotive performance is electric. The overall performance crown will be worn by hybrids in the very near future and then it will transition to pure BEVs as battery tech gets better and better. By then ICE sports cars will be enjoyed in the same manner as high end mechanical watches not because they perform better than an Apple Watch or even a cheap Casio but because of other subjective and emotional factors. | The acceleration really does fall-off around 75mph+ on my P100D. It doesn t have the “pull”of my previous car(CTS-V wagon 580rwhp). It could be that the torque curve has just flattened out by then… Twice as fast as the P100D 60-130 mph is just amazing! | Pretty sure no one really debates electric is where performance lies... But does 0-60 and 60-130 -- really mean anything in the day to day driving of average buyers? | 100 | 2 | 8,704 |
oamwzt | 49 | Moving to Model S LR from BMW M3 I think I m about a week away from ordering my first Tesla a Model S LR. I ve been reading this forum and other Tesla forums for about a year now and I think I have a pretty good idea about what I am getting myself into. However before I spend close to $100k (which is the most I ve ever spent on a car) I thought I would canvas the fans and experts on r teslamotors and make sure I wasn t missing any tricks and that what I think I am going to get is actually what will show up in my driveway. I ve been driving BMW s for quite a while now. My current daily driver is a 2017 M3 (and to avoid confusion with the Tesla Model 3 I will refer to as the F80 in this post) which I love. Not only is it a high performance car with great handling it s also comfortable to drive and well equipped inside. I don t really have any doubts that in terms of raw performance the Model S will surpass my current ride but I do have a nagging doubts about the Model S that I d like to put to rest. While I m pretty sure that the Model S will handily beat my F80 on raw acceleration how is the suspension? I don t track my F80 but I do drive in the mountains of North Carolina from time to time and the handling of the F80 is breathtaking. I would like to think that I am not going to give up much in terms of handling if I switch to Model S. Does the Model S LR have adaptive suspension? Does it work? I know that Tesla doesn t currently support Pandora. I ve tried Spotify but it doesn t fit the bill for the way I listen to music (no Thumbprint equivalent). How well does the Tesla OS interface with the iPhone for non-supported apps? All I will really need to do is tell Pandora to skip to the next track. I typically leave Pandora on Thumbprint and just skip a track if I don t want to hear it. Is this something I can do from the steering wheel controls or the main screen? Having to reach down and do it on the iPhone is not a good option. Is the satellite radio in the Model S a real satellite receiver or does it rely on a cellular 4G connection? I cover some rural locations for my work and there is no FM or 4G reception in these locations. Satellite radio is a must for these areas. How easy is the garage door opener to use? From what I can tell this isn t the traditional setup that is found on other cars (usually on the rear view mirror or sun visor) but something that you must navigate through the main screen. My driveway is steep and curves fairly sharply and I don t want to be fussing with a multi-layered menu everytime I come home. I use Waze for my primary navigation app. It has great real time information for hazards and also police. I m not that worried about the police feature but the hazard info is extremely useful. Does the built-in Tesla navigation have anything comparable? And finally I think my last question... While I plan to get a 240v charging station installed in my garage it s possible that I may have to make do with 115v 15A outlet to charge. My usual daily roundtrip to work is about 30 miles. When I go to the more rural locations (about twice a month but will likely become more frequent) it s about 100 mile round trip. Is this doable with the 115v outlet with an overnight charge? If there is anything anyone thinks that I should be considering in addition to the items above please let me know. Thanks! | Former 2016 F80 owner here. Went to a 2020 Model 3 Performance in Dec 2019 (with a G01 X3 M40i in between). I can t answer anything specific to the Model S but just some things about Teslas in general: * You ll be fine with your commute use case charging over 120V 15A. But charging is still slow about 3 miles per hour of charging. So you can essentially make up what you use by plugging in overnight and if you start the week with a full (90%) charge every Monday you ll be fine even for your 100 mile trips. * Get the wall charger as soon as you can. * Garage door opener via Homelink is great. You can program it to auto open close based on GPS but I prefer to just press the digital button manually (pops up when you get close to your garage or leaving) * Dunno about satellite as the Model 3 doesn t have that. I didn t even realize the Model S did! * The Tesla interface is decent with an iPhone. You will use the steering wheel controls for easiest playback controls i.e. track back skip. You only have to touch the screen if you want to change albums. I occasionally miss CarPlay but the Tesla can notify read your incoming texts and responding is just easy as CarPlay just press a button on the steering wheel. No complaints here. Overall I **never** regret the change. The F80 is a Blackberry Bold the Tesla is an iPhone 12 Pro. The control you have over the car for speed changes with the regen braking is just something you can never replicate in an ICE car. And when you get back into an ICE car the 1000lb lump of engine and transmission sitting ahead and beside your right leg is very obvious from a handling perspective. The benefit of having the majority weight of the car that close the road cannot be overstated. I ve had a lot of BMWs over the past 10 years including a 2012 E92 ZCP. I do miss the glorious sounds of that S65. But for everything else Tesla is miles ahead of BMW. I m not going back and even 18 months later it s still a huge joy to drive the Model 3 even for simple errands. | I had the M4 I don t think you can go wrong with either car just keep in mind that Tesla s will not handle like a track car. Tesla s are nice for the tech and the UI but as I get older I realize I don t give a damn about that stuff and appreciate the handling of vehicles. Great vehicle for sitting in traffic and more comfortable. I had the M4 with the dct but depending on where you live would factor in the enjoyment. I live where there is a lot of congestion so the M4 was hard to enjoy sitting in bumper to bumper 95% of the time. | 83 | 5 | 8,705 |
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