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ni1aej | 391 | How much would you like Tesla to add an orange light to the side-view mirror? After reading a post not too long ago about the annoyances of Tesla s current solution to blind spot monitoring I saw a few comments mentioning how other companies have the orange light. I do not yet have a Tesla but am going to get one some time in 2022. The way it was described how it is currently handled sounds not ideal at all. I thought the orange light when a car is currently in your blind spot makes by far the most sense. | Very much so. I d also love rear cross-traffic alert. And top-down 360 degree camera. And good auto-wipers (you can do this easily with a very cheap sensor that the AP1 and earlier Model S used to have). | Orange light vs 3 rear facing cameras driving vis driving vis turning bright red if you turn start signaling when there is a car in your blind spot loud beeping and more red if you start to change lanes anyway and the mirror itself. I ve never minded not having one. I also have auto lane change. The FSD subscription will help address this too. | 68 | 3 | 8,506 |
niokgj | 1,266 | People who use Tesla Insurance beware - I just realized I ve been driving around without insurance for the last 3 months due to Tesla Insurance cancelling my insurance with ZERO communication tl dr Tesla Insurance will cancel your car insurance immediately the moment your payment card declines. Zero communication. Changed your card recently and changed it in your Tesla Account? That doesn t work you need to call Tesla Insurance and specifically have them change the card on file. & #x200B I ve been using Tesla Insurance ever since it came out in California. I got off to a rocky start (Tesla Insurance didn t submit my proof of insurance to the DMV and caused a headache of issues with the financing bank). Nevertheless the price was extremely competitive compared to other options and I was happy to have them. & #x200B Fast forward to today I was doing my yearly cleanup of my glovebox since I just received my new registration card for the year. I login to my Tesla account today to print out my latest proof of insurance card and lo and behold the Tesla Insurance section on My Account no longer referenced my policy #. I called Tesla Insurance and wouldn t you know it Tesla Insurance will automatically cancel your policy the moment your card gets declined. I m incredibly glad I didn t experience any incidents in the past 3 months but this was definitely a shock. & #x200B While I understand that account holders should be responsible for keeping a tab on their insurance and account details there is a level of expectation on Tesla as a technology company that their products do not expose their customer s to situations like this. What a goddamn dumpster fire. & #x200B For context: 1. I paid off my car sometime around the beginning of the year. I suspect because of this reason the financing bank s alerts on missing insurance didn t fire off. 2. I cancelled my credit card on file around 3 months ago - HOWEVER I changed my card in my Tesla Account thinking that would extend to my insurance auto-payment (however Tesla Insurance explained these systems are not synced). & #x200B EDIT: Thanks to the folks below suggesting I file a complaint. IANAL but I read up and it appears that insurers are required by state law to provide notice to policyholders (California Insurance Code - Section 665) - [https: law.justia.com codes california 2005 ins 660-669.5.html](https: law.justia.com codes california 2005 ins 660-669.5.html) I ve filed a complaint now to the California Department of Insurance. I really hope this shakes things up over there to ensure no Tesla owner gets financially fucked by a cancelled insurance policy. | This varies by state but insurers are generally required to notify you of cancelation ten days in advance for the event of nonpayment. Since you were uninsured for a period of time you will probably be fined by your DMV (assuming Tesla notified the DMV which they are also required to do but maybe they failed to do that as well). Since Tesla never provided the cancelation notice maybe they can be held liable for that. IANAL you might want to get real legal advice on this. | I had this happen too. I wish they just added this to our app so we can keep a closer eye on it. | 296 | 9 | 8,507 |
niokgj | 1,266 | People who use Tesla Insurance beware - I just realized I ve been driving around without insurance for the last 3 months due to Tesla Insurance cancelling my insurance with ZERO communication tl dr Tesla Insurance will cancel your car insurance immediately the moment your payment card declines. Zero communication. Changed your card recently and changed it in your Tesla Account? That doesn t work you need to call Tesla Insurance and specifically have them change the card on file. & #x200B I ve been using Tesla Insurance ever since it came out in California. I got off to a rocky start (Tesla Insurance didn t submit my proof of insurance to the DMV and caused a headache of issues with the financing bank). Nevertheless the price was extremely competitive compared to other options and I was happy to have them. & #x200B Fast forward to today I was doing my yearly cleanup of my glovebox since I just received my new registration card for the year. I login to my Tesla account today to print out my latest proof of insurance card and lo and behold the Tesla Insurance section on My Account no longer referenced my policy #. I called Tesla Insurance and wouldn t you know it Tesla Insurance will automatically cancel your policy the moment your card gets declined. I m incredibly glad I didn t experience any incidents in the past 3 months but this was definitely a shock. & #x200B While I understand that account holders should be responsible for keeping a tab on their insurance and account details there is a level of expectation on Tesla as a technology company that their products do not expose their customer s to situations like this. What a goddamn dumpster fire. & #x200B For context: 1. I paid off my car sometime around the beginning of the year. I suspect because of this reason the financing bank s alerts on missing insurance didn t fire off. 2. I cancelled my credit card on file around 3 months ago - HOWEVER I changed my card in my Tesla Account thinking that would extend to my insurance auto-payment (however Tesla Insurance explained these systems are not synced). & #x200B EDIT: Thanks to the folks below suggesting I file a complaint. IANAL but I read up and it appears that insurers are required by state law to provide notice to policyholders (California Insurance Code - Section 665) - [https: law.justia.com codes california 2005 ins 660-669.5.html](https: law.justia.com codes california 2005 ins 660-669.5.html) I ve filed a complaint now to the California Department of Insurance. I really hope this shakes things up over there to ensure no Tesla owner gets financially fucked by a cancelled insurance policy. | This varies by state but insurers are generally required to notify you of cancelation ten days in advance for the event of nonpayment. Since you were uninsured for a period of time you will probably be fined by your DMV (assuming Tesla notified the DMV which they are also required to do but maybe they failed to do that as well). Since Tesla never provided the cancelation notice maybe they can be held liable for that. IANAL you might want to get real legal advice on this. | Same happened to my mom | 296 | 9 | 8,508 |
niokgj | 1,266 | People who use Tesla Insurance beware - I just realized I ve been driving around without insurance for the last 3 months due to Tesla Insurance cancelling my insurance with ZERO communication tl dr Tesla Insurance will cancel your car insurance immediately the moment your payment card declines. Zero communication. Changed your card recently and changed it in your Tesla Account? That doesn t work you need to call Tesla Insurance and specifically have them change the card on file. & #x200B I ve been using Tesla Insurance ever since it came out in California. I got off to a rocky start (Tesla Insurance didn t submit my proof of insurance to the DMV and caused a headache of issues with the financing bank). Nevertheless the price was extremely competitive compared to other options and I was happy to have them. & #x200B Fast forward to today I was doing my yearly cleanup of my glovebox since I just received my new registration card for the year. I login to my Tesla account today to print out my latest proof of insurance card and lo and behold the Tesla Insurance section on My Account no longer referenced my policy #. I called Tesla Insurance and wouldn t you know it Tesla Insurance will automatically cancel your policy the moment your card gets declined. I m incredibly glad I didn t experience any incidents in the past 3 months but this was definitely a shock. & #x200B While I understand that account holders should be responsible for keeping a tab on their insurance and account details there is a level of expectation on Tesla as a technology company that their products do not expose their customer s to situations like this. What a goddamn dumpster fire. & #x200B For context: 1. I paid off my car sometime around the beginning of the year. I suspect because of this reason the financing bank s alerts on missing insurance didn t fire off. 2. I cancelled my credit card on file around 3 months ago - HOWEVER I changed my card in my Tesla Account thinking that would extend to my insurance auto-payment (however Tesla Insurance explained these systems are not synced). & #x200B EDIT: Thanks to the folks below suggesting I file a complaint. IANAL but I read up and it appears that insurers are required by state law to provide notice to policyholders (California Insurance Code - Section 665) - [https: law.justia.com codes california 2005 ins 660-669.5.html](https: law.justia.com codes california 2005 ins 660-669.5.html) I ve filed a complaint now to the California Department of Insurance. I really hope this shakes things up over there to ensure no Tesla owner gets financially fucked by a cancelled insurance policy. | This varies by state but insurers are generally required to notify you of cancelation ten days in advance for the event of nonpayment. Since you were uninsured for a period of time you will probably be fined by your DMV (assuming Tesla notified the DMV which they are also required to do but maybe they failed to do that as well). Since Tesla never provided the cancelation notice maybe they can be held liable for that. IANAL you might want to get real legal advice on this. | That s terrible. Tesla insurance does provide a monthly receipt via email (doesn t excuse them cancelling your insurance though) | 296 | 10 | 8,509 |
njp4vv | 45 | Help! M3 charging pin broke at SC trying to return home from vacation Hey guys! Weird situation. Brand new SC s were installed where I am on vacation (small town) and I m trying to get home. However the pin got ripped by the charging porton my M3 when it was disconnected. I ve got 240mi range but the trip home is about 300mi. To top it off it s very hilly and it s the nearest big city where mobile service would be located in. Oh and there s a car accident that shutdown both lanes of the highway so I would have to take a detour totalling 360mi (ughhhh). Anyway is this plastic looking piece safe to rip off the charging port pin and charge at a SC that s about 150mi away? For some reason I got an error when trying to upload the photo in Reddit. How can I share it (imgur maybe?). Edit: Here s a photo of the charging port. https: ibb.co Syp6RyL | This is a known issue and Tesla service center upgrades this for free when your car is at a service center. When my rear drive unit went out I was told the pins would be replaced while my vehicle was with them. Service person was the one that told me it is a known issue | Here s a photo of the charging port. https: ibb.co Syp6RyL | 31 | 4 | 8,510 |
nkchsi | 23 | Tesla account page after delivery I m awaiting delivery of a model y and as many know the account page has been incredibly unreliable the last few days. I m sure those who have already accepted delivery don t check nearly as often but I m curious — for those who have already taken delivery does the account page have a hard time loading periodically? By that I mean very slow response times and sometimes not loading at all sometimes showing an error and sometimes just a blank page or redirecting to the home page. | It s just embarrassing. Nothing this page is doing is complicated enough to warrant the shitty performance | Are you suggesting the website works better for people who received their cars than those waiting for theirs? 🧐 | 33 | 7 | 8,511 |
nkdf4i | 159 | Tesla removes AEB and front collision warnings as standard safety features EDIT: Tesla reads Reddit! ) They have updated their page to be exactly the same as the old one. [Tesla.com autopilot](https: Tesla.com autopilot) has removed AEB FCW from the list of standard safety features. I m assuming this is part of the vision only change but it s a big deal if this feature is actually going away. It also includes interesting language The following standard safety features will continue to be active on all new cars which could be interpreted as acknowledging a reduction in features on new cars: [Features 4 days ago:](https: web.archive.org web 20210520115228 https: www.tesla.com autopilot) > These active safety technologies including collision avoidance and automatic emergency braking have begun rolling out through over-the-air updates > > **Automatic Emergency Braking** > > **Side Collision Warning** > > **Front Collision Warning** > > **Auto High Beams** [Today](https: www.tesla.com autopilot) > The following standard safety features will continue to be active on all new cars. > > **Side Collision Warning** > > **Obstacle Aware Acceleration** > > **Blind Spot Monitoring** > > **Lane Departure Avoidance** > > **Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance** | Did anyone actually click the links? The features are already back if they were even ever gone. Maybe OP managed to catch them as they were rewording the page. | Alarmists much? We know Tesla is moving to a full vision solution. We know a new software version is coming soon. We know they are considering removing the radar hardware. Sounds to me like we are in a window of time where the lawyers don t want specific features on the website that are going to be changing significantly. Will Tesla intentionally make a less safe car to save the cost of the radar hardware? No. Just no. Will these features be back soon in one form or another? Of course they will. RELAX. | 164 | 2 | 8,512 |
nkdf4i | 159 | Tesla removes AEB and front collision warnings as standard safety features EDIT: Tesla reads Reddit! ) They have updated their page to be exactly the same as the old one. [Tesla.com autopilot](https: Tesla.com autopilot) has removed AEB FCW from the list of standard safety features. I m assuming this is part of the vision only change but it s a big deal if this feature is actually going away. It also includes interesting language The following standard safety features will continue to be active on all new cars which could be interpreted as acknowledging a reduction in features on new cars: [Features 4 days ago:](https: web.archive.org web 20210520115228 https: www.tesla.com autopilot) > These active safety technologies including collision avoidance and automatic emergency braking have begun rolling out through over-the-air updates > > **Automatic Emergency Braking** > > **Side Collision Warning** > > **Front Collision Warning** > > **Auto High Beams** [Today](https: www.tesla.com autopilot) > The following standard safety features will continue to be active on all new cars. > > **Side Collision Warning** > > **Obstacle Aware Acceleration** > > **Blind Spot Monitoring** > > **Lane Departure Avoidance** > > **Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance** | Did anyone actually click the links? The features are already back if they were even ever gone. Maybe OP managed to catch them as they were rewording the page. | They may have removed it from autopilot but it s still on model 3 configuration page and various other pages (like safety page) so they might just be moving it to FSD | 164 | 2 | 8,513 |
nkdf4i | 159 | Tesla removes AEB and front collision warnings as standard safety features EDIT: Tesla reads Reddit! ) They have updated their page to be exactly the same as the old one. [Tesla.com autopilot](https: Tesla.com autopilot) has removed AEB FCW from the list of standard safety features. I m assuming this is part of the vision only change but it s a big deal if this feature is actually going away. It also includes interesting language The following standard safety features will continue to be active on all new cars which could be interpreted as acknowledging a reduction in features on new cars: [Features 4 days ago:](https: web.archive.org web 20210520115228 https: www.tesla.com autopilot) > These active safety technologies including collision avoidance and automatic emergency braking have begun rolling out through over-the-air updates > > **Automatic Emergency Braking** > > **Side Collision Warning** > > **Front Collision Warning** > > **Auto High Beams** [Today](https: www.tesla.com autopilot) > The following standard safety features will continue to be active on all new cars. > > **Side Collision Warning** > > **Obstacle Aware Acceleration** > > **Blind Spot Monitoring** > > **Lane Departure Avoidance** > > **Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance** | Did anyone actually click the links? The features are already back if they were even ever gone. Maybe OP managed to catch them as they were rewording the page. | AEB has put me in 4-5 dangerous situations over the last 6 months where it detected shadows potholes or overpasses as cars and stopped hard. I was not on autopilot during any of these times. | 164 | 2 | 8,514 |
nkf409 | 773 | My experience with Tesla Solar Roof installation. Bear in mind: I drive a Model 3. I own substantial TSLA stock I have a CT and a Starlink dish on order. I m a fan. But unless Tesla gets feedback they won t get better. Here s my Tesla Solar Roof experience so far. TLDNR: It sucked. They need to step up their game. A LOT. I have an 177 year old house in north central Massachusetts. About 3000 square foot roof. I first put down a deposit for a roof in late April 2020 over a year ago. Even with two powerwalls the price after various rebates and incentives seemed quite reasonable. A Tesla engineer came and checked things out last summer taking measurements and photos including in the attic under the roof. I specifically called out the age of the roof and that I was concerned about weight limits. He said everything looked good except they d need to put a new layer of sheathing on top of the old boards. Added some cost but I was not surprised. All the permitting got done by October and I was told that I could expect a delay until this spring. Initially tearoff was supposed to start Monday the 24th today. But the contractor called and postponed to Tuesday tomorrow. Thank God they did. Last Friday a big truck pulled up with a load of Tesla materials the driver expecting to find a crew to unload a very heavy pallet presumably of solar tiles. We had no way to move it and after a phone call to Tesla he took it back. Thank God he did. Tomorrow morning at 5 AM a dumpster should arrive followed by the tear-off crew at 7 AM. BUT: 8:05 PM this evening I get an email from Tesla saying that the roof sagged too much (maybe 1.5 inches over its length and I d have to get that fixed and an engineer to sign off that it was now flat and strong enough before work could start This is a historic house and that ain t happening quite aside from the substantial expense. This DQ was received less than 11 hours before the (thankfully) delayed tear off is due to start. A frantic call to Tesla got an advisor after 15 minutes on hold and he agreed that it sucked. The only bright spot was that they hadn t started work yet. So after over a year I m not getting a roof. I still have to be up at 5AM to try to persuade a guy intent on leaving a dumpster not to do so and at 7AM to tell the contractor to go away. TESLA: This type of experience does not make for a good reputation or customer-advocates. -------------------- Follow up: At 12:50 AM Tesla sent a letter cancelling the project. Written in standard lawyer approved English admitting fault for nothing taking responsibility for nothing apologizing for nothing. I did have to be up to turn away a huge dumpster at 5:40 AM but the contractor seems to have ghosted me. Notes: The house is historic some things happened here (not saying what as not to dox myself - lets just say its in Wikipedia). However its not registered or in a historic district. and I m free to modify it without any special approval. However it s beautiful elegant and I d be a fool to ignore that. The Tesla roof tiles look a hell of a lot better than slapping panels on an existing roof. I may go for a metal roof now. The complaint from Tesla was over the bowing of the roof. They think its 10 cm over 6m. I think its quite a bit less - the photo they used was shot looking up the roof an angle and subject to keystone distortion making it look worse than it is. If I got it fixed an engineer would have to sign off on it for both strength and flatness. There wasn t a suggestion that it was actually weak but that s the rules. Tesla was mainly worried that the tiles would not be able to be weather proof on a slightly curved surface. My main beef over this is the timing - the whole fiasco took over a year and they had the photo they used to DQ the project since last summer but didn t contact me until literally hours before work was due to start. Its only good luck that tear off hadn t started before they noted the problem - the contractor called and moved the date. Had it been Monday as originally planned I d have a house with no roof and Tesla unwilling to install a new one. That kind of non-service sucks. | Tesla quoted me over 250K for a solar roof on new construction. Fuck right off | Off topic but how awesome is it to live in a house with that much history? I mean I m sure there are pain in the ass issues but how freaking cool to have all that history around you!!! | 106 | 5 | 8,515 |
nkf409 | 773 | My experience with Tesla Solar Roof installation. Bear in mind: I drive a Model 3. I own substantial TSLA stock I have a CT and a Starlink dish on order. I m a fan. But unless Tesla gets feedback they won t get better. Here s my Tesla Solar Roof experience so far. TLDNR: It sucked. They need to step up their game. A LOT. I have an 177 year old house in north central Massachusetts. About 3000 square foot roof. I first put down a deposit for a roof in late April 2020 over a year ago. Even with two powerwalls the price after various rebates and incentives seemed quite reasonable. A Tesla engineer came and checked things out last summer taking measurements and photos including in the attic under the roof. I specifically called out the age of the roof and that I was concerned about weight limits. He said everything looked good except they d need to put a new layer of sheathing on top of the old boards. Added some cost but I was not surprised. All the permitting got done by October and I was told that I could expect a delay until this spring. Initially tearoff was supposed to start Monday the 24th today. But the contractor called and postponed to Tuesday tomorrow. Thank God they did. Last Friday a big truck pulled up with a load of Tesla materials the driver expecting to find a crew to unload a very heavy pallet presumably of solar tiles. We had no way to move it and after a phone call to Tesla he took it back. Thank God he did. Tomorrow morning at 5 AM a dumpster should arrive followed by the tear-off crew at 7 AM. BUT: 8:05 PM this evening I get an email from Tesla saying that the roof sagged too much (maybe 1.5 inches over its length and I d have to get that fixed and an engineer to sign off that it was now flat and strong enough before work could start This is a historic house and that ain t happening quite aside from the substantial expense. This DQ was received less than 11 hours before the (thankfully) delayed tear off is due to start. A frantic call to Tesla got an advisor after 15 minutes on hold and he agreed that it sucked. The only bright spot was that they hadn t started work yet. So after over a year I m not getting a roof. I still have to be up at 5AM to try to persuade a guy intent on leaving a dumpster not to do so and at 7AM to tell the contractor to go away. TESLA: This type of experience does not make for a good reputation or customer-advocates. -------------------- Follow up: At 12:50 AM Tesla sent a letter cancelling the project. Written in standard lawyer approved English admitting fault for nothing taking responsibility for nothing apologizing for nothing. I did have to be up to turn away a huge dumpster at 5:40 AM but the contractor seems to have ghosted me. Notes: The house is historic some things happened here (not saying what as not to dox myself - lets just say its in Wikipedia). However its not registered or in a historic district. and I m free to modify it without any special approval. However it s beautiful elegant and I d be a fool to ignore that. The Tesla roof tiles look a hell of a lot better than slapping panels on an existing roof. I may go for a metal roof now. The complaint from Tesla was over the bowing of the roof. They think its 10 cm over 6m. I think its quite a bit less - the photo they used was shot looking up the roof an angle and subject to keystone distortion making it look worse than it is. If I got it fixed an engineer would have to sign off on it for both strength and flatness. There wasn t a suggestion that it was actually weak but that s the rules. Tesla was mainly worried that the tiles would not be able to be weather proof on a slightly curved surface. My main beef over this is the timing - the whole fiasco took over a year and they had the photo they used to DQ the project since last summer but didn t contact me until literally hours before work was due to start. Its only good luck that tear off hadn t started before they noted the problem - the contractor called and moved the date. Had it been Monday as originally planned I d have a house with no roof and Tesla unwilling to install a new one. That kind of non-service sucks. | Tesla quoted me over 250K for a solar roof on new construction. Fuck right off | Is this for a Tesla Solar roof panels (12 24 36 panels) or the Tesla Solar roof tiles? | 106 | 15 | 8,516 |
nkf409 | 773 | My experience with Tesla Solar Roof installation. Bear in mind: I drive a Model 3. I own substantial TSLA stock I have a CT and a Starlink dish on order. I m a fan. But unless Tesla gets feedback they won t get better. Here s my Tesla Solar Roof experience so far. TLDNR: It sucked. They need to step up their game. A LOT. I have an 177 year old house in north central Massachusetts. About 3000 square foot roof. I first put down a deposit for a roof in late April 2020 over a year ago. Even with two powerwalls the price after various rebates and incentives seemed quite reasonable. A Tesla engineer came and checked things out last summer taking measurements and photos including in the attic under the roof. I specifically called out the age of the roof and that I was concerned about weight limits. He said everything looked good except they d need to put a new layer of sheathing on top of the old boards. Added some cost but I was not surprised. All the permitting got done by October and I was told that I could expect a delay until this spring. Initially tearoff was supposed to start Monday the 24th today. But the contractor called and postponed to Tuesday tomorrow. Thank God they did. Last Friday a big truck pulled up with a load of Tesla materials the driver expecting to find a crew to unload a very heavy pallet presumably of solar tiles. We had no way to move it and after a phone call to Tesla he took it back. Thank God he did. Tomorrow morning at 5 AM a dumpster should arrive followed by the tear-off crew at 7 AM. BUT: 8:05 PM this evening I get an email from Tesla saying that the roof sagged too much (maybe 1.5 inches over its length and I d have to get that fixed and an engineer to sign off that it was now flat and strong enough before work could start This is a historic house and that ain t happening quite aside from the substantial expense. This DQ was received less than 11 hours before the (thankfully) delayed tear off is due to start. A frantic call to Tesla got an advisor after 15 minutes on hold and he agreed that it sucked. The only bright spot was that they hadn t started work yet. So after over a year I m not getting a roof. I still have to be up at 5AM to try to persuade a guy intent on leaving a dumpster not to do so and at 7AM to tell the contractor to go away. TESLA: This type of experience does not make for a good reputation or customer-advocates. -------------------- Follow up: At 12:50 AM Tesla sent a letter cancelling the project. Written in standard lawyer approved English admitting fault for nothing taking responsibility for nothing apologizing for nothing. I did have to be up to turn away a huge dumpster at 5:40 AM but the contractor seems to have ghosted me. Notes: The house is historic some things happened here (not saying what as not to dox myself - lets just say its in Wikipedia). However its not registered or in a historic district. and I m free to modify it without any special approval. However it s beautiful elegant and I d be a fool to ignore that. The Tesla roof tiles look a hell of a lot better than slapping panels on an existing roof. I may go for a metal roof now. The complaint from Tesla was over the bowing of the roof. They think its 10 cm over 6m. I think its quite a bit less - the photo they used was shot looking up the roof an angle and subject to keystone distortion making it look worse than it is. If I got it fixed an engineer would have to sign off on it for both strength and flatness. There wasn t a suggestion that it was actually weak but that s the rules. Tesla was mainly worried that the tiles would not be able to be weather proof on a slightly curved surface. My main beef over this is the timing - the whole fiasco took over a year and they had the photo they used to DQ the project since last summer but didn t contact me until literally hours before work was due to start. Its only good luck that tear off hadn t started before they noted the problem - the contractor called and moved the date. Had it been Monday as originally planned I d have a house with no roof and Tesla unwilling to install a new one. That kind of non-service sucks. | Tesla quoted me over 250K for a solar roof on new construction. Fuck right off | How is 1.5 inches of sag a deal breaker? 100 year old houses aren t straight. I WISH my roof was that flat. Are you telling me there is zero margin for error with their installation system? What a croc. | 106 | 15 | 8,517 |
nkmph9 | 63 | Model 3 on 2021.4.15.12 “locking” onto multiple vehicles and slamming on brakes. Anyone else? Since 2021.4.15.XX my Model 3 is randomly locking onto multiple cars with the second or third car always in adjacent lanes. When it does it will slam on the brakes to match the speed of the slowest car. Often I will be almost done passing someone and it will lock onto them and SLAM the brakes. It s incredibly frightening and very unsafe in the rush hour traffic I m experiencing it in. I ve been bug reporting the screen every time it happens but has anyone else seen this behavior recently? EDIT: Fix “breaks” to “brakes.” Thanks to the person in the comments. When you post first thing in the AM you make silly mistakes. Haha. | FYI: when you “bug report” it just saves the log file puts a marker in the log to make it easier for a tech to find the incident when he scrolls through. It does not actually report anything up to Tesla s net work | [Is it like this?](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ncv1s2 are_yearly_navigation_updates_the_achilles_heel ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf) | 69 | 6 | 8,518 |
nkmph9 | 63 | Model 3 on 2021.4.15.12 “locking” onto multiple vehicles and slamming on brakes. Anyone else? Since 2021.4.15.XX my Model 3 is randomly locking onto multiple cars with the second or third car always in adjacent lanes. When it does it will slam on the brakes to match the speed of the slowest car. Often I will be almost done passing someone and it will lock onto them and SLAM the brakes. It s incredibly frightening and very unsafe in the rush hour traffic I m experiencing it in. I ve been bug reporting the screen every time it happens but has anyone else seen this behavior recently? EDIT: Fix “breaks” to “brakes.” Thanks to the person in the comments. When you post first thing in the AM you make silly mistakes. Haha. | FYI: when you “bug report” it just saves the log file puts a marker in the log to make it easier for a tech to find the incident when he scrolls through. It does not actually report anything up to Tesla s net work | Notice this in my MX Often around on ramps off ramps. Been going on for a year or so in my experience | 69 | 13 | 8,519 |
nkmph9 | 63 | Model 3 on 2021.4.15.12 “locking” onto multiple vehicles and slamming on brakes. Anyone else? Since 2021.4.15.XX my Model 3 is randomly locking onto multiple cars with the second or third car always in adjacent lanes. When it does it will slam on the brakes to match the speed of the slowest car. Often I will be almost done passing someone and it will lock onto them and SLAM the brakes. It s incredibly frightening and very unsafe in the rush hour traffic I m experiencing it in. I ve been bug reporting the screen every time it happens but has anyone else seen this behavior recently? EDIT: Fix “breaks” to “brakes.” Thanks to the person in the comments. When you post first thing in the AM you make silly mistakes. Haha. | FYI: when you “bug report” it just saves the log file puts a marker in the log to make it easier for a tech to find the incident when he scrolls through. It does not actually report anything up to Tesla s net work | I haven t had this happen but apparently those big reports don t actually go to tesla unless you go to a service center and they happen to offload them. At least that is what I ve read. | 69 | 30 | 8,520 |
nl7gs5 | 53 | How helpful is (basic) AutoPilot in a long commute? Your opinion. I might be picking up a new job at the end of June and will start long commuting for 3-4 days a week into the office in this post Pandemic world. I have a MY LR on order (not particularly planned due to the new gig but just so happen to be the case...) I am in the Bay Area and will be using the busiest part of 80 880 and 101 to get to Palo Alto. It s about 60 miles one way. I think that s will be doing-able but I am just curious how useful (basic) AutoPilot would be to cut down part of the stress in long commute or stop and go traffic. Thoughts? | I have long commutes and it s awesome. Can t imagine ever having a car without an autopilot equivalent. You arrive mentally relaxed since you don t need to pay as much attention to driving making 1000 small decisions while you commute. Not having to work the brake and accelerator for hours on end allows your leg to rest. And finally the mental stress of idiot humans along the way is all of sudden less of a concern. If you get cut off meh if you need to slow down abruptly meh. All of a sudden being on the road is fun again. | I commute 15 miles via highway to work and home makes the experience so nice and “brainless” especially if traffic is nasty on the way home I just set my distance to 6 car lengths and I don t have to worry about being cut off or braking just watching the road and relaxing as we crawl along the road :) | 52 | 5 | 8,521 |
nl7gs5 | 53 | How helpful is (basic) AutoPilot in a long commute? Your opinion. I might be picking up a new job at the end of June and will start long commuting for 3-4 days a week into the office in this post Pandemic world. I have a MY LR on order (not particularly planned due to the new gig but just so happen to be the case...) I am in the Bay Area and will be using the busiest part of 80 880 and 101 to get to Palo Alto. It s about 60 miles one way. I think that s will be doing-able but I am just curious how useful (basic) AutoPilot would be to cut down part of the stress in long commute or stop and go traffic. Thoughts? | I have long commutes and it s awesome. Can t imagine ever having a car without an autopilot equivalent. You arrive mentally relaxed since you don t need to pay as much attention to driving making 1000 small decisions while you commute. Not having to work the brake and accelerator for hours on end allows your leg to rest. And finally the mental stress of idiot humans along the way is all of sudden less of a concern. If you get cut off meh if you need to slow down abruptly meh. All of a sudden being on the road is fun again. | I love it in my model 3. On highways motorway you can just flick it on and supervise. On normal road you can flick it on in bumper to bumper traffic or limit your speed so you don t get a ticket. It s all less mentally draining than normal commuting | 52 | 11 | 8,522 |
nloydf | 78 | Tesla Should a la carte the FSD Features Rather Than the Forcing the $10 000 Bundle Tesla should allow people to purchase the features of FSD (Navigate on autopilot Auto Lane Change etc.) INDIVIDUALLY rather than forcing people to buy the bundle of everything. I feel like customers would be WAY more likely to pay $1 000-$2 000 to get Navigate on Autopilot (for example) than spending $10 000+ for additional features they probably wouldn t use. And depending on the way they price things it could potentially make them more money over time. Thoughts? | But then they barely anyone would buy the things like Autopark. It s like a cable bundle you have to buy all the crap you don t want to get the few things you do. | That s my theory of the code people saw yesterday. EAP will be $4k. FSD will be additional 10. | 106 | 12 | 8,523 |
nmku9c | 490 | My story of Tesla buying back my Model Y It s been a wild 8 months owning a MY. It was my first electric car that I hoped I would own forever and adored for everything it had to offer. It was truly a difficult decision to make and I m still sad to see the car go. It came down to the difficult situation it put me in. Not a short story TL DR at the end. Service Center visit 1-AC Heating failure: I received the car 20 Sep after waiting 2 months from ordering I came from a base model Subaru Crosstrek so it was a massive upgrade. In March of 2021 the heat and A C went out completely I couldn t defog my windshield making it dangerous to drive. It took a week for the service center to get me in despite such a big issue. They said the A C compressor was bad as well as the supermanifold(octovalve). 13 days of waiting later mostly due to them not having the parts and I get my car back. Service Center visit 2-Power Reduced error: Then the serious problem started showing itself. One day the car went into power reduced mode after fast charging with a chademo adapter. I drove home and it said exiting and reentering the vehicle could fix it. It went away and never came back so I never contacted the service center about it. Then this month I made a road trip from Tennessee to Arizona to see family and take a vacation. I noticed as the climate got warmer a problem happened more frequently. It seemed after every time I Supercharged then drove on the highway I d get a power reduced error and get limited to 65 mph forcing me to pull over on the highway. This happened about 7 times in 1500 miles of driving. It was frustrating to have to go through these errors constantly and got me concerned about the car. I made a Service Center appointment in Scottsdale AZ near my destination. They got me in very quickly and all was well. They diagnosed the car and did a coolant flush flow check as well as some preventative maintenance and got the car back to me a few days later. Service Center visit 3 4 5-Power Reduced error: I got the power reduced error the same day I picked up the car and took it right back. They replaced some supermanifold valves tried to duplicate the error and gave it back fixed. I took it straight to a supercharger and went to a high state of charge then drove these conditions replicated the fault every time. I took back the car within an hour of picking it up for the third time. They diagnosed the problem as the rear drive motor replaced it tried to duplicate the problem and said it was all fixed. Once again went to the Supercharger to then leave for my return drive to Tennessee. 5 minutes into driving I get power reduced yet again. I take it straight back and postpone my drive home. I explain what I did to get the error message and they try to duplicate it themselves with no luck. They took me up on my offer to drive their senior technician shop manager to show him how I get the fault to happen. I get it to happen before I even thought it would occur. He s just as shocked as I am and he instantly gets on his phone to get real time data from my car (pretty damn cool). They continue to work on the car but can t determine what part is faulty they replaced everything they suspected and all systems test just fine. It gets escalated up to Fremont HQ and an engineer begins looking into it. Meanwhile I m stuck in Arizona waiting to go home. Eventually it gets to a point of enough is enough the car has been in the Service Center for 30 days in 8 months of ownership and they don t have an expected completion date for the repair due to not knowing what s wrong with the car. The Buyback: The Service Center manager offered to submit the paperwork needed for a manufacturer buyback of the car. In the meantime Tesla arranged for a rental car to be able to drive home to Tennessee. Tesla will not just replace your car with a new one. You have to accept the buyback then in a completely separate transaction buy another Tesla(wait times were are 4-12 weeks). Tesla also won t pay to ship your car to you once it s fixed even in extreme circumstances which is completely understandable. They just got back to me with a buy back offer just under $50k. My purchase price was $53 200 with everything included so I think it was fair considering the car had 10 000 miles on it. I still have to complete the paperwork for the buyback so I will update my story when it s all done. Why I m not buying another Tesla for now: I m in the military and move in a month to start a 1 year+ school. I can t afford to be without a car or wait 4-12 weeks for a new MY to arrive. Tesla also would not cover shipping the car across the country to me after the fix was completed. This would force me to request more vacation days to travel back to Arizona to pick up the car they claimed was fixed 3 times before to drive it the 1500 miles home. I simply do not have the time to do that with everything going on in my life. I m really disappointed it had to end this way. I really do miss the car and hope in a few years I can buy another one when I am more settled in my job again. At least my next MY will have all those new technologies integrated or I might even get a CYBERTRUCK. I m excited to see where EV technology goes while I sit on the sidelines. I m not bitter about it and I don t regret buying the MY at all. I m sad to see it unfold this way but the Scottsdale Service Center was awesome and the people there were great. I got a lot of insight into how Teslas work and the people that fix them. PRO TIP: when your Tesla is having problems use the voice control feature and say Bug Report (insert your problem) and it will create a more detailed data log to help assist the technicians with your car. Also with serious problems inhibiting the driving of the car call the roadside assistance number and they can also see the realtime errors of your car and create a data log for the service center. TL DR: MY in the shop for 30+ days total. Tesla doesn t know what s wrong with it still. Going through a buyback so I can get another vehicle ASAP because life reasons. | Wow that was a lot but I m glad you have light at the end of the tunnel. You have a really mature and intelligent attitude that s refreshing to hear. | Glad you are not bitter man. Sounds like all the employees did everything they could. Hope to see you back. | 81 | 8 | 8,524 |
nmku9c | 490 | My story of Tesla buying back my Model Y It s been a wild 8 months owning a MY. It was my first electric car that I hoped I would own forever and adored for everything it had to offer. It was truly a difficult decision to make and I m still sad to see the car go. It came down to the difficult situation it put me in. Not a short story TL DR at the end. Service Center visit 1-AC Heating failure: I received the car 20 Sep after waiting 2 months from ordering I came from a base model Subaru Crosstrek so it was a massive upgrade. In March of 2021 the heat and A C went out completely I couldn t defog my windshield making it dangerous to drive. It took a week for the service center to get me in despite such a big issue. They said the A C compressor was bad as well as the supermanifold(octovalve). 13 days of waiting later mostly due to them not having the parts and I get my car back. Service Center visit 2-Power Reduced error: Then the serious problem started showing itself. One day the car went into power reduced mode after fast charging with a chademo adapter. I drove home and it said exiting and reentering the vehicle could fix it. It went away and never came back so I never contacted the service center about it. Then this month I made a road trip from Tennessee to Arizona to see family and take a vacation. I noticed as the climate got warmer a problem happened more frequently. It seemed after every time I Supercharged then drove on the highway I d get a power reduced error and get limited to 65 mph forcing me to pull over on the highway. This happened about 7 times in 1500 miles of driving. It was frustrating to have to go through these errors constantly and got me concerned about the car. I made a Service Center appointment in Scottsdale AZ near my destination. They got me in very quickly and all was well. They diagnosed the car and did a coolant flush flow check as well as some preventative maintenance and got the car back to me a few days later. Service Center visit 3 4 5-Power Reduced error: I got the power reduced error the same day I picked up the car and took it right back. They replaced some supermanifold valves tried to duplicate the error and gave it back fixed. I took it straight to a supercharger and went to a high state of charge then drove these conditions replicated the fault every time. I took back the car within an hour of picking it up for the third time. They diagnosed the problem as the rear drive motor replaced it tried to duplicate the problem and said it was all fixed. Once again went to the Supercharger to then leave for my return drive to Tennessee. 5 minutes into driving I get power reduced yet again. I take it straight back and postpone my drive home. I explain what I did to get the error message and they try to duplicate it themselves with no luck. They took me up on my offer to drive their senior technician shop manager to show him how I get the fault to happen. I get it to happen before I even thought it would occur. He s just as shocked as I am and he instantly gets on his phone to get real time data from my car (pretty damn cool). They continue to work on the car but can t determine what part is faulty they replaced everything they suspected and all systems test just fine. It gets escalated up to Fremont HQ and an engineer begins looking into it. Meanwhile I m stuck in Arizona waiting to go home. Eventually it gets to a point of enough is enough the car has been in the Service Center for 30 days in 8 months of ownership and they don t have an expected completion date for the repair due to not knowing what s wrong with the car. The Buyback: The Service Center manager offered to submit the paperwork needed for a manufacturer buyback of the car. In the meantime Tesla arranged for a rental car to be able to drive home to Tennessee. Tesla will not just replace your car with a new one. You have to accept the buyback then in a completely separate transaction buy another Tesla(wait times were are 4-12 weeks). Tesla also won t pay to ship your car to you once it s fixed even in extreme circumstances which is completely understandable. They just got back to me with a buy back offer just under $50k. My purchase price was $53 200 with everything included so I think it was fair considering the car had 10 000 miles on it. I still have to complete the paperwork for the buyback so I will update my story when it s all done. Why I m not buying another Tesla for now: I m in the military and move in a month to start a 1 year+ school. I can t afford to be without a car or wait 4-12 weeks for a new MY to arrive. Tesla also would not cover shipping the car across the country to me after the fix was completed. This would force me to request more vacation days to travel back to Arizona to pick up the car they claimed was fixed 3 times before to drive it the 1500 miles home. I simply do not have the time to do that with everything going on in my life. I m really disappointed it had to end this way. I really do miss the car and hope in a few years I can buy another one when I am more settled in my job again. At least my next MY will have all those new technologies integrated or I might even get a CYBERTRUCK. I m excited to see where EV technology goes while I sit on the sidelines. I m not bitter about it and I don t regret buying the MY at all. I m sad to see it unfold this way but the Scottsdale Service Center was awesome and the people there were great. I got a lot of insight into how Teslas work and the people that fix them. PRO TIP: when your Tesla is having problems use the voice control feature and say Bug Report (insert your problem) and it will create a more detailed data log to help assist the technicians with your car. Also with serious problems inhibiting the driving of the car call the roadside assistance number and they can also see the realtime errors of your car and create a data log for the service center. TL DR: MY in the shop for 30+ days total. Tesla doesn t know what s wrong with it still. Going through a buyback so I can get another vehicle ASAP because life reasons. | Wow that was a lot but I m glad you have light at the end of the tunnel. You have a really mature and intelligent attitude that s refreshing to hear. | Curious - what are you thinking of buying next? | 81 | 14 | 8,525 |
nmku9c | 490 | My story of Tesla buying back my Model Y It s been a wild 8 months owning a MY. It was my first electric car that I hoped I would own forever and adored for everything it had to offer. It was truly a difficult decision to make and I m still sad to see the car go. It came down to the difficult situation it put me in. Not a short story TL DR at the end. Service Center visit 1-AC Heating failure: I received the car 20 Sep after waiting 2 months from ordering I came from a base model Subaru Crosstrek so it was a massive upgrade. In March of 2021 the heat and A C went out completely I couldn t defog my windshield making it dangerous to drive. It took a week for the service center to get me in despite such a big issue. They said the A C compressor was bad as well as the supermanifold(octovalve). 13 days of waiting later mostly due to them not having the parts and I get my car back. Service Center visit 2-Power Reduced error: Then the serious problem started showing itself. One day the car went into power reduced mode after fast charging with a chademo adapter. I drove home and it said exiting and reentering the vehicle could fix it. It went away and never came back so I never contacted the service center about it. Then this month I made a road trip from Tennessee to Arizona to see family and take a vacation. I noticed as the climate got warmer a problem happened more frequently. It seemed after every time I Supercharged then drove on the highway I d get a power reduced error and get limited to 65 mph forcing me to pull over on the highway. This happened about 7 times in 1500 miles of driving. It was frustrating to have to go through these errors constantly and got me concerned about the car. I made a Service Center appointment in Scottsdale AZ near my destination. They got me in very quickly and all was well. They diagnosed the car and did a coolant flush flow check as well as some preventative maintenance and got the car back to me a few days later. Service Center visit 3 4 5-Power Reduced error: I got the power reduced error the same day I picked up the car and took it right back. They replaced some supermanifold valves tried to duplicate the error and gave it back fixed. I took it straight to a supercharger and went to a high state of charge then drove these conditions replicated the fault every time. I took back the car within an hour of picking it up for the third time. They diagnosed the problem as the rear drive motor replaced it tried to duplicate the problem and said it was all fixed. Once again went to the Supercharger to then leave for my return drive to Tennessee. 5 minutes into driving I get power reduced yet again. I take it straight back and postpone my drive home. I explain what I did to get the error message and they try to duplicate it themselves with no luck. They took me up on my offer to drive their senior technician shop manager to show him how I get the fault to happen. I get it to happen before I even thought it would occur. He s just as shocked as I am and he instantly gets on his phone to get real time data from my car (pretty damn cool). They continue to work on the car but can t determine what part is faulty they replaced everything they suspected and all systems test just fine. It gets escalated up to Fremont HQ and an engineer begins looking into it. Meanwhile I m stuck in Arizona waiting to go home. Eventually it gets to a point of enough is enough the car has been in the Service Center for 30 days in 8 months of ownership and they don t have an expected completion date for the repair due to not knowing what s wrong with the car. The Buyback: The Service Center manager offered to submit the paperwork needed for a manufacturer buyback of the car. In the meantime Tesla arranged for a rental car to be able to drive home to Tennessee. Tesla will not just replace your car with a new one. You have to accept the buyback then in a completely separate transaction buy another Tesla(wait times were are 4-12 weeks). Tesla also won t pay to ship your car to you once it s fixed even in extreme circumstances which is completely understandable. They just got back to me with a buy back offer just under $50k. My purchase price was $53 200 with everything included so I think it was fair considering the car had 10 000 miles on it. I still have to complete the paperwork for the buyback so I will update my story when it s all done. Why I m not buying another Tesla for now: I m in the military and move in a month to start a 1 year+ school. I can t afford to be without a car or wait 4-12 weeks for a new MY to arrive. Tesla also would not cover shipping the car across the country to me after the fix was completed. This would force me to request more vacation days to travel back to Arizona to pick up the car they claimed was fixed 3 times before to drive it the 1500 miles home. I simply do not have the time to do that with everything going on in my life. I m really disappointed it had to end this way. I really do miss the car and hope in a few years I can buy another one when I am more settled in my job again. At least my next MY will have all those new technologies integrated or I might even get a CYBERTRUCK. I m excited to see where EV technology goes while I sit on the sidelines. I m not bitter about it and I don t regret buying the MY at all. I m sad to see it unfold this way but the Scottsdale Service Center was awesome and the people there were great. I got a lot of insight into how Teslas work and the people that fix them. PRO TIP: when your Tesla is having problems use the voice control feature and say Bug Report (insert your problem) and it will create a more detailed data log to help assist the technicians with your car. Also with serious problems inhibiting the driving of the car call the roadside assistance number and they can also see the realtime errors of your car and create a data log for the service center. TL DR: MY in the shop for 30+ days total. Tesla doesn t know what s wrong with it still. Going through a buyback so I can get another vehicle ASAP because life reasons. | Wow that was a lot but I m glad you have light at the end of the tunnel. You have a really mature and intelligent attitude that s refreshing to hear. | Yep sounds like you got a lemon. Glad that you got to use the law for what it was designed. & #x200B Also glad that you re not the type to say that because you had this experience no one else should buy a Tesla because this is what *will* happen to them. we ve seen that claimed here before. | 81 | 18 | 8,526 |
nmupf9 | 54 | Model Y Voluntary Recall Received this email this morning. Tesla has decided to proactively recall certain Model Y vehicles to inspect the second row seat belt retractor bolts. This recall applies to certain Model Y vehicles built between November 2019 and March 2021. Our records indicate that your vehicle(s) 5YJYGDEFXLF0XXXXX may be affected by this recall. On certain vehicles the second row seat belt retractor bolts may not have been secured to the correct specification. In the extremely unlikely case where these bolts are not secured to the correct specification the seat belt system may be adversely impacted in a crash. We are not aware of any crashes or injuries relating to this condition. Please schedule a service appointment using the Tesla app by selecting ‘Schedule Service > ‘Other > ‘Something Else and entering the note ‘Open Recall Repair–second row seat belt retractor bolt inspection. At your appointment Tesla Service will inspect your vehicle and perform any necessary repairs free of charge. Mobile Service may complete this inspection for your convenience. Thank you for being a Tesla customer and we apologize for this inconvenience. TESLA INC. Mobile service scheduled for Tuesday. 👍 | If I had to speculate the error proofing that was set up for that particular bolt fastener to torque those bolts to their proper spec was either malfunctioning and or set up for the wrong range of values for that entire date range. There is normally groups of team members that their entire job is to certify the torque values of every bolt that has a required spec. Some are checked as frequently as hourly to all the way up to once a week. Regardless each and every bolt is inspected. If there a bolt found out of spec the production line is worked back until they find it to within spec and correct as needed. Even if that means tearing the car apart to get to the bolt or holding finished vehicles in a lot until they are ALL verified. Granted depending on what the bolt secures will dictate next steps if they can t find the source. In the case of this defect regarding public safety this type of recall is issued. Feel free to ask any questions if you would like. Source: Former Quality Supervisor for a Big 3 Manufacturer | Basically saying that John Doe on the assembly line was doing his job wrong and this is the time period he was working in the factory doing this job. . | 44 | 15 | 8,527 |
nmybik | 46 | Will models that are pre vision only switch to vision only down the line? I have a 2019 M3. Will the radar be switched off later to become vision only? Or are the new models different camera hardware? I ve looked around and I haven t seen anything that gives us information on this. Reposted to meet 200 minimum. | The new software is going to be vision only so the radar hardware just won t be used anymore if you have it. | Vision only. For now they still use the radar. They will probably switch once all features are tested and fully restored on the vision only cars. | 52 | 13 | 8,528 |
nnpd9r | 188 | Autopilot Jail There are multiple ways to get in AP jail. One is to ignore the message to keep your hands on the wheel. This takes awhile and you have time to avoid it. The other one is instant. If you are on a 80mph highway and while overtaking you hit the accelerator and go above 90. It s instant freak out and AP jail. EDIT: Another way for instant AP jail is if driver takes off seatbelt while in AP. Like if you want to take your sweater off. Thanks to the user than reminded me. If anyone found other ways please share. I notice Tesla is using the interior camera to check if you are paying attention now. On my road trip if I m looking out the left and not in front it prompts me to take the wheel more often and require more torque. I have a feeling Tesla will be putting a lot of people in AP jail more frequently and with extending duration. | Drive too fast? AP jail No pay attention? AP jail Pay too much attention? Believe it or not also AP jail | Interesting that it would freak out and put you in jail for going over 90 instead of just preventing you from doing so without disengaging first. | 189 | 2 | 8,529 |
nnpd9r | 188 | Autopilot Jail There are multiple ways to get in AP jail. One is to ignore the message to keep your hands on the wheel. This takes awhile and you have time to avoid it. The other one is instant. If you are on a 80mph highway and while overtaking you hit the accelerator and go above 90. It s instant freak out and AP jail. EDIT: Another way for instant AP jail is if driver takes off seatbelt while in AP. Like if you want to take your sweater off. Thanks to the user than reminded me. If anyone found other ways please share. I notice Tesla is using the interior camera to check if you are paying attention now. On my road trip if I m looking out the left and not in front it prompts me to take the wheel more often and require more torque. I have a feeling Tesla will be putting a lot of people in AP jail more frequently and with extending duration. | Drive too fast? AP jail No pay attention? AP jail Pay too much attention? Believe it or not also AP jail | Switch off AP take a break and have a coffee then start the car with a new destination and engage AP. This is how I broke AP jail.👽 | 189 | 2 | 8,530 |
nnpd9r | 188 | Autopilot Jail There are multiple ways to get in AP jail. One is to ignore the message to keep your hands on the wheel. This takes awhile and you have time to avoid it. The other one is instant. If you are on a 80mph highway and while overtaking you hit the accelerator and go above 90. It s instant freak out and AP jail. EDIT: Another way for instant AP jail is if driver takes off seatbelt while in AP. Like if you want to take your sweater off. Thanks to the user than reminded me. If anyone found other ways please share. I notice Tesla is using the interior camera to check if you are paying attention now. On my road trip if I m looking out the left and not in front it prompts me to take the wheel more often and require more torque. I have a feeling Tesla will be putting a lot of people in AP jail more frequently and with extending duration. | Drive too fast? AP jail No pay attention? AP jail Pay too much attention? Believe it or not also AP jail | I believe I saw some posts that with the driver monitoring camera now being used in some versions of the sw not looking at the road also press you on AP jail | 189 | 3 | 8,531 |
no03zw | 256 | Vision Only AP + Rain Experience I just picked up a M3LR today in NJ where it has been raining on and off all day. Figured I would share some quick experiences with vision only AP in these conditions. Keep in mind this is my first Tesla and first use of AP outside of a very short test drive pre pandemic so I don t have much to compare to Running 2012.4.15.11 Auto Windshield Wipers - Honestly almost no complaints at all. Did a very good job alternating between speeds between downpours light rain and water kicked up from other vehicles on the road. A few times it went faster than necessary for a minute but eventually slowed down Rain - it did a decent job in the rain *As long as there were no cars in front of me.* As soon as I was driving on sections of the highway that tend to kick up more of a cloud of water behind vehicles in front of you I would get plagued with Reduced Visibility alerts the car would start slowing down pretty quickly and then eventually alert for immediate takeover. I got at least 10 of these on a 30 mile stretch of high way. Honestly AP TACC was nearly useless when the road was wet even if it wasn t actually raining. General AP - It stayed in the center of the lane super well. Very little ping ponging at all. Took curves nice and smooth. Noticed a few times it would visualize 2 cars in front as long as it could get a glimpse. Overall super impressed with lane keep when it was in ideal conditions It did seem a little heavy footed as soon as gaps opened. Maybe I m just used to driving a Prius but it did seem a little aggressive in speeding up when it could. Same with slowing down when vehicles are stopped or driving way slower in front of you IE upcoming traffic or a red light. It didn t seem to anticipate *too* far ahead often accelerating up to traffic only to immediately start breaking again. I noticed that the car would start to creep forward when light turned green when I was a few cars back even when the car in front of me hadn t started moving yet. Felt like a very human action As for some general delivery experience it was absolutely down pouring when I picked it up so I didn t get a great chance to really look it over. SA said I have 100 miles to report anything via the app that needs addressed. From a quick glance I feel my hood is not well aligned even on one side but dips below on the other. Also the A-Pillar alignment seems a bit off. And one of my Aero caps wasn t fully attached to the wheel which I thought was odd but popped it right back on. I also took delivery with 32 miles which seems a bit high to me? Anyone have similar miles on delivery? Anyways that s my experience today. Drove about 90 miles as not to go over my 100 before I could report issues. Again this is my first real day in a Tesla so not sure how much of this is unique to vision only or how much is standard behavior. Tried to call out things that I ve noticed people talking about and mentioning in my years of lurking. Hope all of you eagerly awaiting Vins get them soon cause I sure had a big smile when i stomped on that accelerator for the first time :) Edit: Sorry for not including any video it was my first drive and raining so I wanted to pay full attention to the road while learning how the car reacts | > Rain - it did a decent job in the rain As long as there were no cars in front of me. As soon as I was driving on sections of the highway that tend to kick up more of a cloud of water behind vehicles in front of you I would get plagued with Reduced Visibility alerts the car would start slowing down pretty quickly and then eventually alert for immediate takeover. I got at least 10 of these on a 30 mile stretch of high way. Honestly AP TACC was nearly useless when the road was wet even if it wasn t actually raining. This is… concerning. | https: imgur.com a d2gZLFB Also Here s some photos I took during delivery and the two areas of panel alignment that I was a little concerned about. Not the best photos for sure | 250 | 6 | 8,532 |
no03zw | 256 | Vision Only AP + Rain Experience I just picked up a M3LR today in NJ where it has been raining on and off all day. Figured I would share some quick experiences with vision only AP in these conditions. Keep in mind this is my first Tesla and first use of AP outside of a very short test drive pre pandemic so I don t have much to compare to Running 2012.4.15.11 Auto Windshield Wipers - Honestly almost no complaints at all. Did a very good job alternating between speeds between downpours light rain and water kicked up from other vehicles on the road. A few times it went faster than necessary for a minute but eventually slowed down Rain - it did a decent job in the rain *As long as there were no cars in front of me.* As soon as I was driving on sections of the highway that tend to kick up more of a cloud of water behind vehicles in front of you I would get plagued with Reduced Visibility alerts the car would start slowing down pretty quickly and then eventually alert for immediate takeover. I got at least 10 of these on a 30 mile stretch of high way. Honestly AP TACC was nearly useless when the road was wet even if it wasn t actually raining. General AP - It stayed in the center of the lane super well. Very little ping ponging at all. Took curves nice and smooth. Noticed a few times it would visualize 2 cars in front as long as it could get a glimpse. Overall super impressed with lane keep when it was in ideal conditions It did seem a little heavy footed as soon as gaps opened. Maybe I m just used to driving a Prius but it did seem a little aggressive in speeding up when it could. Same with slowing down when vehicles are stopped or driving way slower in front of you IE upcoming traffic or a red light. It didn t seem to anticipate *too* far ahead often accelerating up to traffic only to immediately start breaking again. I noticed that the car would start to creep forward when light turned green when I was a few cars back even when the car in front of me hadn t started moving yet. Felt like a very human action As for some general delivery experience it was absolutely down pouring when I picked it up so I didn t get a great chance to really look it over. SA said I have 100 miles to report anything via the app that needs addressed. From a quick glance I feel my hood is not well aligned even on one side but dips below on the other. Also the A-Pillar alignment seems a bit off. And one of my Aero caps wasn t fully attached to the wheel which I thought was odd but popped it right back on. I also took delivery with 32 miles which seems a bit high to me? Anyone have similar miles on delivery? Anyways that s my experience today. Drove about 90 miles as not to go over my 100 before I could report issues. Again this is my first real day in a Tesla so not sure how much of this is unique to vision only or how much is standard behavior. Tried to call out things that I ve noticed people talking about and mentioning in my years of lurking. Hope all of you eagerly awaiting Vins get them soon cause I sure had a big smile when i stomped on that accelerator for the first time :) Edit: Sorry for not including any video it was my first drive and raining so I wanted to pay full attention to the road while learning how the car reacts | Seems like the loss of radar is harming one of the best features of the vehicle. What a shame. We ll see how the software works moving forward but there s a reason the model S and X still have radar. | What follow distance did you have set? | 81 | 3 | 8,533 |
no03zw | 256 | Vision Only AP + Rain Experience I just picked up a M3LR today in NJ where it has been raining on and off all day. Figured I would share some quick experiences with vision only AP in these conditions. Keep in mind this is my first Tesla and first use of AP outside of a very short test drive pre pandemic so I don t have much to compare to Running 2012.4.15.11 Auto Windshield Wipers - Honestly almost no complaints at all. Did a very good job alternating between speeds between downpours light rain and water kicked up from other vehicles on the road. A few times it went faster than necessary for a minute but eventually slowed down Rain - it did a decent job in the rain *As long as there were no cars in front of me.* As soon as I was driving on sections of the highway that tend to kick up more of a cloud of water behind vehicles in front of you I would get plagued with Reduced Visibility alerts the car would start slowing down pretty quickly and then eventually alert for immediate takeover. I got at least 10 of these on a 30 mile stretch of high way. Honestly AP TACC was nearly useless when the road was wet even if it wasn t actually raining. General AP - It stayed in the center of the lane super well. Very little ping ponging at all. Took curves nice and smooth. Noticed a few times it would visualize 2 cars in front as long as it could get a glimpse. Overall super impressed with lane keep when it was in ideal conditions It did seem a little heavy footed as soon as gaps opened. Maybe I m just used to driving a Prius but it did seem a little aggressive in speeding up when it could. Same with slowing down when vehicles are stopped or driving way slower in front of you IE upcoming traffic or a red light. It didn t seem to anticipate *too* far ahead often accelerating up to traffic only to immediately start breaking again. I noticed that the car would start to creep forward when light turned green when I was a few cars back even when the car in front of me hadn t started moving yet. Felt like a very human action As for some general delivery experience it was absolutely down pouring when I picked it up so I didn t get a great chance to really look it over. SA said I have 100 miles to report anything via the app that needs addressed. From a quick glance I feel my hood is not well aligned even on one side but dips below on the other. Also the A-Pillar alignment seems a bit off. And one of my Aero caps wasn t fully attached to the wheel which I thought was odd but popped it right back on. I also took delivery with 32 miles which seems a bit high to me? Anyone have similar miles on delivery? Anyways that s my experience today. Drove about 90 miles as not to go over my 100 before I could report issues. Again this is my first real day in a Tesla so not sure how much of this is unique to vision only or how much is standard behavior. Tried to call out things that I ve noticed people talking about and mentioning in my years of lurking. Hope all of you eagerly awaiting Vins get them soon cause I sure had a big smile when i stomped on that accelerator for the first time :) Edit: Sorry for not including any video it was my first drive and raining so I wanted to pay full attention to the road while learning how the car reacts | Seems like the loss of radar is harming one of the best features of the vehicle. What a shame. We ll see how the software works moving forward but there s a reason the model S and X still have radar. | https: imgur.com a d2gZLFB Also Here s some photos I took during delivery and the two areas of panel alignment that I was a little concerned about. Not the best photos for sure | 81 | 6 | 8,534 |
no7ahx | 2,837 | Another no radar experience from someone who has driven both Picked up a no radar Model Y from Princeton yesterday. Today I decided to travel down to Barnegat to visit family. Might be a lengthy post but the following is the experience with a no radar car. To set the scene a little there was moderate to heavy rain. It was by no means a downpour but closer to that than a drizzle. Didn t start AP until I went on the parkway since it s only a couple miles away. Almost immediately after engaging autopilot I got a notification saying something along the lines of autopilot speed reduced due to inclement weather. I waited a while to see how low it would go but eventually had to take over after it hit 54 or 55mph-ish. Traveling 55 on the parkway is just dangerously slow even when it s raining so I had to take over. I ve taken this route many times in similar and even worse weather conditions and never had problems with my old Y. I figured I would just use cruise control but I guess I should have known since it only allows TaCC it had problems with that as well. So I go another 10 or so miles having to drive manually without even basic cruise control (I know first world problems). At this point the rain briefly stopped completely so I tried it again. It ended up being a double whammy of sorts. First I got a phantom brake event when I went under a double overpass and immediately after there was a merge. I wouldn t think it would be from the overpasses since my understanding is radar was rumored to cause that by bouncing up into them and misinterpreting it for a car. It also unfortunately cannot be explained by the merging cars though or really anything else since they were no where near me and I wasn t even in the right lane. Shortly after that while it is still not raining mind you I again got the limited speed warning I m assuming from the other cars kicking up the rain driving to the side of me. At this point I just went the rest of the way manually. Even when driving manually I got an alert stating forward collision warning when I was nowhere near anybody not once but twice. The Tesla went from the best car to drive a long distance on the freeway to a worse experience than my old Honda since at least that could use cruise control. & #x200B On the way back it was even worse though. It was about 3AM and the auto high beams were flashing on and off at almost every sign. I assume the reflection of light from the highly reflective signs were confusing it. I thought no problem this is why I disabled auto high beams on the old one. I press forward to turn high beams off. I immediately get a notice saying they need to be on for autopilot. It now requires auto high beams to use autopilot. I turn them back on and just say I ll look like a goof with them constantly turning on and off. There weren t all that many people out there at this time anyway. I m driving along and it was getting closer to another vehicle than I was comfortable with with high beams on. I also didn t want them to think I was road raging on them since they kept flashing on and off due to the signs. So again I just decide I ll use cruise control and again I find out I can t even use that without auto high beams. So yet again I m manually driving the car having a less pleasant experience than my old Honda. & #x200B Again I came from and still technically have an old Model Y with radar. The only reason I even upgraded is I was lucky to have reserved one while it was $49k thinking maybe if a tax incentive passes I could upgrade and end up only paying a little. When they said they had one ready I checked Vroom and for some reason they offered $51k so it was kinda a no brainer even if the bill doesn t pass that says any cars after May 24th. Either way it was unequivocally a worse experience than my old one and it wasn t even particularly close. Still hope much of it can be fixed with updates but at this point not only is it almost unusable in the rain it s almost unusable in areas in which it had previously rained and there are other cars near you. This last point is likely just me being too nervous I m pissing off other drivers it may not well of even been bothering anybody but at least for me and at least based on this experience it s not even usable at night... at all. TL DR: Based on my admittedly limited experience and at least for now the non-radar versions are significantly worse. In multiple ways not just weather. & #x200B & #x200B Edit: Wow this kinda blew up. I probably shouldn t have had it email me on posts as it kinda filled my inbox. Saw some questions super busy and there s a reason I m going back and forth at times like 3AM but will try to answer a few questions later. One I just saw asked if I had video of it which unfortunately I don t as I was alone. I probably shouldn t have taken them but I do have a few pictures. I was trying to get a picture of one of the random forward collision warning notices on screen but was unable to get it before it disappeared. This does show a very rough idea of what the weather was like and as can be seen in the photo at this point it was no longer even giving the option for autopilot as can be seen by no wheel icon. & #x200B [https: imgur.com a N6p5OoT](https: imgur.com a N6p5OoT) & #x200B Edit 2: Just noticed in the pictures it actually seems to still see things fine based on the visualizations so maybe there s still hope some much can be fixed in software? Perhaps I m just being to optimistic though. & #x200B Edit 3: Already have a new update downloading. Although I obviously don t expect it to fix everything it is ever so slightly reassuring to see they seem to be trying to belt them out. 2021.4.18.1. | Thanks for posting that in-depth experience. This unfortunately confirms my fears about switching to pure vision. Whenever Tesla has tried to replace a sensor with the camera + software those tend to be the features you see the most complaining about in the community. People complain about the auto wipers Tesla trying to replace a rain sensor with the camera. People complain about the auto brights trying to replace a light sensor with the camera. The auto-dimming mirrors replacing a light sensor with a simple clock. Now they re trying to replace another sensor with the camera this time the radar. Time will tell whether it works out but if history is any guide we re probably in for a bumpy ride. | Very lame. I hope they don t disable radar for cars with the hardware anytime soon. | 745 | 27 | 8,535 |
no7ahx | 2,837 | Another no radar experience from someone who has driven both Picked up a no radar Model Y from Princeton yesterday. Today I decided to travel down to Barnegat to visit family. Might be a lengthy post but the following is the experience with a no radar car. To set the scene a little there was moderate to heavy rain. It was by no means a downpour but closer to that than a drizzle. Didn t start AP until I went on the parkway since it s only a couple miles away. Almost immediately after engaging autopilot I got a notification saying something along the lines of autopilot speed reduced due to inclement weather. I waited a while to see how low it would go but eventually had to take over after it hit 54 or 55mph-ish. Traveling 55 on the parkway is just dangerously slow even when it s raining so I had to take over. I ve taken this route many times in similar and even worse weather conditions and never had problems with my old Y. I figured I would just use cruise control but I guess I should have known since it only allows TaCC it had problems with that as well. So I go another 10 or so miles having to drive manually without even basic cruise control (I know first world problems). At this point the rain briefly stopped completely so I tried it again. It ended up being a double whammy of sorts. First I got a phantom brake event when I went under a double overpass and immediately after there was a merge. I wouldn t think it would be from the overpasses since my understanding is radar was rumored to cause that by bouncing up into them and misinterpreting it for a car. It also unfortunately cannot be explained by the merging cars though or really anything else since they were no where near me and I wasn t even in the right lane. Shortly after that while it is still not raining mind you I again got the limited speed warning I m assuming from the other cars kicking up the rain driving to the side of me. At this point I just went the rest of the way manually. Even when driving manually I got an alert stating forward collision warning when I was nowhere near anybody not once but twice. The Tesla went from the best car to drive a long distance on the freeway to a worse experience than my old Honda since at least that could use cruise control. & #x200B On the way back it was even worse though. It was about 3AM and the auto high beams were flashing on and off at almost every sign. I assume the reflection of light from the highly reflective signs were confusing it. I thought no problem this is why I disabled auto high beams on the old one. I press forward to turn high beams off. I immediately get a notice saying they need to be on for autopilot. It now requires auto high beams to use autopilot. I turn them back on and just say I ll look like a goof with them constantly turning on and off. There weren t all that many people out there at this time anyway. I m driving along and it was getting closer to another vehicle than I was comfortable with with high beams on. I also didn t want them to think I was road raging on them since they kept flashing on and off due to the signs. So again I just decide I ll use cruise control and again I find out I can t even use that without auto high beams. So yet again I m manually driving the car having a less pleasant experience than my old Honda. & #x200B Again I came from and still technically have an old Model Y with radar. The only reason I even upgraded is I was lucky to have reserved one while it was $49k thinking maybe if a tax incentive passes I could upgrade and end up only paying a little. When they said they had one ready I checked Vroom and for some reason they offered $51k so it was kinda a no brainer even if the bill doesn t pass that says any cars after May 24th. Either way it was unequivocally a worse experience than my old one and it wasn t even particularly close. Still hope much of it can be fixed with updates but at this point not only is it almost unusable in the rain it s almost unusable in areas in which it had previously rained and there are other cars near you. This last point is likely just me being too nervous I m pissing off other drivers it may not well of even been bothering anybody but at least for me and at least based on this experience it s not even usable at night... at all. TL DR: Based on my admittedly limited experience and at least for now the non-radar versions are significantly worse. In multiple ways not just weather. & #x200B & #x200B Edit: Wow this kinda blew up. I probably shouldn t have had it email me on posts as it kinda filled my inbox. Saw some questions super busy and there s a reason I m going back and forth at times like 3AM but will try to answer a few questions later. One I just saw asked if I had video of it which unfortunately I don t as I was alone. I probably shouldn t have taken them but I do have a few pictures. I was trying to get a picture of one of the random forward collision warning notices on screen but was unable to get it before it disappeared. This does show a very rough idea of what the weather was like and as can be seen in the photo at this point it was no longer even giving the option for autopilot as can be seen by no wheel icon. & #x200B [https: imgur.com a N6p5OoT](https: imgur.com a N6p5OoT) & #x200B Edit 2: Just noticed in the pictures it actually seems to still see things fine based on the visualizations so maybe there s still hope some much can be fixed in software? Perhaps I m just being to optimistic though. & #x200B Edit 3: Already have a new update downloading. Although I obviously don t expect it to fix everything it is ever so slightly reassuring to see they seem to be trying to belt them out. 2021.4.18.1. | This is fucked. It s one thing going through the AP1 to AP2 switch waiting months for functionality I thought I bought - back in 2016 it s forgivable for Tesla to still be figuring things out. But having to use auto high beams and getting a reduction in performance at this stage gives me doubts about Tesla I have not had yet. They should not have switched until the new system was ready for prime time. Quit using us as unwilling beta testers Tesla. | Hopefully this is only temporary and the updates happen soon as they claim...but won t get my hopes up | 537 | 21 | 8,536 |
no7ahx | 2,837 | Another no radar experience from someone who has driven both Picked up a no radar Model Y from Princeton yesterday. Today I decided to travel down to Barnegat to visit family. Might be a lengthy post but the following is the experience with a no radar car. To set the scene a little there was moderate to heavy rain. It was by no means a downpour but closer to that than a drizzle. Didn t start AP until I went on the parkway since it s only a couple miles away. Almost immediately after engaging autopilot I got a notification saying something along the lines of autopilot speed reduced due to inclement weather. I waited a while to see how low it would go but eventually had to take over after it hit 54 or 55mph-ish. Traveling 55 on the parkway is just dangerously slow even when it s raining so I had to take over. I ve taken this route many times in similar and even worse weather conditions and never had problems with my old Y. I figured I would just use cruise control but I guess I should have known since it only allows TaCC it had problems with that as well. So I go another 10 or so miles having to drive manually without even basic cruise control (I know first world problems). At this point the rain briefly stopped completely so I tried it again. It ended up being a double whammy of sorts. First I got a phantom brake event when I went under a double overpass and immediately after there was a merge. I wouldn t think it would be from the overpasses since my understanding is radar was rumored to cause that by bouncing up into them and misinterpreting it for a car. It also unfortunately cannot be explained by the merging cars though or really anything else since they were no where near me and I wasn t even in the right lane. Shortly after that while it is still not raining mind you I again got the limited speed warning I m assuming from the other cars kicking up the rain driving to the side of me. At this point I just went the rest of the way manually. Even when driving manually I got an alert stating forward collision warning when I was nowhere near anybody not once but twice. The Tesla went from the best car to drive a long distance on the freeway to a worse experience than my old Honda since at least that could use cruise control. & #x200B On the way back it was even worse though. It was about 3AM and the auto high beams were flashing on and off at almost every sign. I assume the reflection of light from the highly reflective signs were confusing it. I thought no problem this is why I disabled auto high beams on the old one. I press forward to turn high beams off. I immediately get a notice saying they need to be on for autopilot. It now requires auto high beams to use autopilot. I turn them back on and just say I ll look like a goof with them constantly turning on and off. There weren t all that many people out there at this time anyway. I m driving along and it was getting closer to another vehicle than I was comfortable with with high beams on. I also didn t want them to think I was road raging on them since they kept flashing on and off due to the signs. So again I just decide I ll use cruise control and again I find out I can t even use that without auto high beams. So yet again I m manually driving the car having a less pleasant experience than my old Honda. & #x200B Again I came from and still technically have an old Model Y with radar. The only reason I even upgraded is I was lucky to have reserved one while it was $49k thinking maybe if a tax incentive passes I could upgrade and end up only paying a little. When they said they had one ready I checked Vroom and for some reason they offered $51k so it was kinda a no brainer even if the bill doesn t pass that says any cars after May 24th. Either way it was unequivocally a worse experience than my old one and it wasn t even particularly close. Still hope much of it can be fixed with updates but at this point not only is it almost unusable in the rain it s almost unusable in areas in which it had previously rained and there are other cars near you. This last point is likely just me being too nervous I m pissing off other drivers it may not well of even been bothering anybody but at least for me and at least based on this experience it s not even usable at night... at all. TL DR: Based on my admittedly limited experience and at least for now the non-radar versions are significantly worse. In multiple ways not just weather. & #x200B & #x200B Edit: Wow this kinda blew up. I probably shouldn t have had it email me on posts as it kinda filled my inbox. Saw some questions super busy and there s a reason I m going back and forth at times like 3AM but will try to answer a few questions later. One I just saw asked if I had video of it which unfortunately I don t as I was alone. I probably shouldn t have taken them but I do have a few pictures. I was trying to get a picture of one of the random forward collision warning notices on screen but was unable to get it before it disappeared. This does show a very rough idea of what the weather was like and as can be seen in the photo at this point it was no longer even giving the option for autopilot as can be seen by no wheel icon. & #x200B [https: imgur.com a N6p5OoT](https: imgur.com a N6p5OoT) & #x200B Edit 2: Just noticed in the pictures it actually seems to still see things fine based on the visualizations so maybe there s still hope some much can be fixed in software? Perhaps I m just being to optimistic though. & #x200B Edit 3: Already have a new update downloading. Although I obviously don t expect it to fix everything it is ever so slightly reassuring to see they seem to be trying to belt them out. 2021.4.18.1. | This is fucked. It s one thing going through the AP1 to AP2 switch waiting months for functionality I thought I bought - back in 2016 it s forgivable for Tesla to still be figuring things out. But having to use auto high beams and getting a reduction in performance at this stage gives me doubts about Tesla I have not had yet. They should not have switched until the new system was ready for prime time. Quit using us as unwilling beta testers Tesla. | Thanks for detailing your experience. I m in Florida where we get very heavy if sometimes brief rains. Often the wipers even on the highest speeds can t keep the windshield anywhere near clear. Given that cameras unlike radar can t see through heavy rain (not to mention heavy snow) not sure what Tesla is thinking for a vision-only system. However heavy weather is such an obvious consideration I m confident they ve thought it through or they wouldn t have made the switch. | 537 | 23 | 8,537 |
no83jx | 105 | How does Tesla wake up the car Hey I was just wondering how Tesla is able to wake the car up when i am opening the App? The obvious answer to me would be using the Cellular connection the Car has. But sometimes when i get in my Model 3 while it was Sleeping it takes a second to connect to the Mobile Network which leads me to believe that it disconnects from the Mobile Network while sleeping. So how does it tell the Car to wake up when i am neither in range of Bluetooth nor is the car connected to WiFi Cellular? | If you turn off mobile data on your phone it is like going back 20 years when phones could easily last up to a week on a single charge. Essentially all stuff in the car is off apart from the sim and a bit of circuitry around it. It isn t doing mobile data. It has enough powered up to receive a wake up sms and that is it. Once it gets the sms then it powers up everything else and connects to mobile data. | Text message. | 82 | 24 | 8,538 |
no83jx | 105 | How does Tesla wake up the car Hey I was just wondering how Tesla is able to wake the car up when i am opening the App? The obvious answer to me would be using the Cellular connection the Car has. But sometimes when i get in my Model 3 while it was Sleeping it takes a second to connect to the Mobile Network which leads me to believe that it disconnects from the Mobile Network while sleeping. So how does it tell the Car to wake up when i am neither in range of Bluetooth nor is the car connected to WiFi Cellular? | If you turn off mobile data on your phone it is like going back 20 years when phones could easily last up to a week on a single charge. Essentially all stuff in the car is off apart from the sim and a bit of circuitry around it. It isn t doing mobile data. It has enough powered up to receive a wake up sms and that is it. Once it gets the sms then it powers up everything else and connects to mobile data. | It receives a SMS and only then wakes up the car and the mobile network. | 82 | 43 | 8,539 |
nog8hk | 23 | As someone who loves Tesla chrome deletes (as I ve done to my 2020 Model 3) I think you should have the option to chose Chrome or Black exterior trim for when building Teslas. Similar to the new choice of interior accent (wood or carbon fiber) in the Model S. I think most Teslas look excellent with black trim but some look really good with chrome as well. I find it odd to not offer a choice as the chrome offers a more luxurious look (moat complementary with blue or red imo) and the black trim is for a sportier look. | Little options like this slow down the production lines leading to astronomical costs for Tesla. It s not realistic to pass these costs along to customers hence why they let the aftermarket handle this. | Agree. Personally I think the chrome looks better on Blue Red. Hopefully as more factories come online they will start opening up more option combinations. (Also more colors in general) | 29 | 3 | 8,540 |
noxprt | 37 | In light of recent events with radar and a barrage of same But why have radar if you ll always trust vision? Type comments can we please remember this Any self driving system must have excellent vision. No amount of ancillary sensors will compensate for crappy vision. And if you need good vision then your backup sensor should be good in exactly the places where vision is weak. It makes no sense to have your backup sensor operate at the same wavelengths (optical) where your primary sensor (vision) operates. You d much rather have your backup sensor be reliable in the most common environmental situation where your primary sensor is having problems - heavy precipitation. That s from Elon and it s a very salient pointv that we are finally now seeing brought to light in practical form. You don t always trust vision over radar you trust the system with higher confidence for that particular situation. And by design these are going to be different situations with vision often being the higher confidence but sometimes approaching near zero confidence where radar is at least still somewhat confident. Yes you absolutely need good vision systems but vision has inherent weaknesses and that s where back up sensor modules come into play. In that second or two when the cameras are blinded by a big shah splash of water having radar ableto tell you that there is nothing for you to crash into directly in front of you can allow AP to stay engaged driving off IMU and the last captured lane data that should be good for a few hundred feet. And that s the big (predictable) difference we re seeing with the new no radar AP vs older radar AP | Have you *used* Tesla auto brights? They should come with a damn seizure warning and now they re mandatory for AP. I can t tell you how many times I ve tried to be chill and let it ride only to roll up 20 behind someone in front of me and had to turn then off because I was blasting the car in front of me. I know when they re needed better than my car does and that says a lot about my vision capabilities versus the car s. | I don t think you got anything factually incorrect in this analysis. But. Think about an example of a situation where you have near zero confidence in vision. What task does radar do? Object ranging and to some small part classification. Vision does all the rest. Can you drive if you only know about objects and how far away they are? The obvious concrete example is lane following. Can radar do lane following? No. So if vision is unreliable and you only have radar to trust you can t drive at all. Or at the very best you ll leave your lane and become a hazard to everyone else. Worst case you drive off the road because there isn t a hard barrier there that radar can detect for you. TLDR: Can you drive on just radar? No? Well then you shouldn t be driving at all when vision is unreliable. | 81 | 23 | 8,541 |
np3n9k | 139 | A dream come true… https: imgur.com a Fi8dJdL An auto enthusiast who has owned close to 30 vehicles. I grew up with people in my family who took junkyard cars and sold them for $50k when they were done with it. I m fairly new to the EV but I have also done my research. I truly never thought I d be here but I am. A plate frame was my very Tesla purchase lol back when the first Tesla Roadster and Model S were announced in hopes of actually owning a Tesla one day. Tesla always intrigued me but at first it was just too pricey for the average person. Then things slowly changed… The Model 3 Model Y and who knows what s next. Owning close to 30 vehicles I have never driven a vehicle where when someone looks at it they look twice. They freeze because of the pure beauty. Some have told me from a distance at first they think it s a Porsche but then quickly see what s actually coming their way. The red to green light torque is mind blowing. The regenerative braking is cool as f**k. The sports car like steering feel is ….well hell yeah!!! Every single inch of this vehicle inside and out is a masterpiece. From the lights and mirror on the sun visor to the Induction wheels. Now the roads ahead of me guide the way in a vehicle that has the latest and greatest tech power and design that many car manufacturers cannot get close to. Aren t they like 10 years behind Tesla? Gone are the long lines at Costco waiting for gas. Gone are the long lines at Costco waiting for gas. Gone are the days that I wait for an oil change while the service guy is trying to tell me there s something else wrong with my vehicle so his technician and the dealership can try and replace a part or replace fluids that are perfectly fine. Gone are the days where the dealership salesperson tries to make an extra $1 000 on a new car sale. The horrible dealership experience and the snakes that go with it in their shiny suits are …..gone. A dream come true… Big props @Elon | Congratulations! Avoiding those Costco gas lines is so good you said it twice. Don t let r cars know you re simultaneously a car enthusiast and a Tesla enthusiast. That doesn t fit the Reddit narrative that only technology enthusiasts could like Teslas. Wait until you get into a rental car and are alarmed by the clunkiness of everything from the drivetrain the acceleration the choppy responsiveness the rickety infotainment UI (and the need to use Carplay as a cartoonish crutch) and the antiquated notions of human-driver interface. Yeah they re not perfect. Nothing ever is. But the total package makes the current competition look confused and haphazard throwing billions at the situation hoping they can use loss-leaders to save face. Still it s great to see more options especially because tastes differ and not everyone will want a Tesla. It s a truly interesting time in cars. | Congrats!!!! I love my new 3 ... wish I could just drive it all the time but alas life keeps getting in the way 😩 My favorite part is just the handling and acceleration ... it s like I get to ride a rollercoaster everywhere I go 😁 (safely of course!) | 42 | 7 | 8,542 |
np3n9k | 139 | A dream come true… https: imgur.com a Fi8dJdL An auto enthusiast who has owned close to 30 vehicles. I grew up with people in my family who took junkyard cars and sold them for $50k when they were done with it. I m fairly new to the EV but I have also done my research. I truly never thought I d be here but I am. A plate frame was my very Tesla purchase lol back when the first Tesla Roadster and Model S were announced in hopes of actually owning a Tesla one day. Tesla always intrigued me but at first it was just too pricey for the average person. Then things slowly changed… The Model 3 Model Y and who knows what s next. Owning close to 30 vehicles I have never driven a vehicle where when someone looks at it they look twice. They freeze because of the pure beauty. Some have told me from a distance at first they think it s a Porsche but then quickly see what s actually coming their way. The red to green light torque is mind blowing. The regenerative braking is cool as f**k. The sports car like steering feel is ….well hell yeah!!! Every single inch of this vehicle inside and out is a masterpiece. From the lights and mirror on the sun visor to the Induction wheels. Now the roads ahead of me guide the way in a vehicle that has the latest and greatest tech power and design that many car manufacturers cannot get close to. Aren t they like 10 years behind Tesla? Gone are the long lines at Costco waiting for gas. Gone are the long lines at Costco waiting for gas. Gone are the days that I wait for an oil change while the service guy is trying to tell me there s something else wrong with my vehicle so his technician and the dealership can try and replace a part or replace fluids that are perfectly fine. Gone are the days where the dealership salesperson tries to make an extra $1 000 on a new car sale. The horrible dealership experience and the snakes that go with it in their shiny suits are …..gone. A dream come true… Big props @Elon | Congratulations! Avoiding those Costco gas lines is so good you said it twice. Don t let r cars know you re simultaneously a car enthusiast and a Tesla enthusiast. That doesn t fit the Reddit narrative that only technology enthusiasts could like Teslas. Wait until you get into a rental car and are alarmed by the clunkiness of everything from the drivetrain the acceleration the choppy responsiveness the rickety infotainment UI (and the need to use Carplay as a cartoonish crutch) and the antiquated notions of human-driver interface. Yeah they re not perfect. Nothing ever is. But the total package makes the current competition look confused and haphazard throwing billions at the situation hoping they can use loss-leaders to save face. Still it s great to see more options especially because tastes differ and not everyone will want a Tesla. It s a truly interesting time in cars. | Congrats! Can t wait to finally get one myself! | 42 | 9 | 8,543 |
np3n9k | 139 | A dream come true… https: imgur.com a Fi8dJdL An auto enthusiast who has owned close to 30 vehicles. I grew up with people in my family who took junkyard cars and sold them for $50k when they were done with it. I m fairly new to the EV but I have also done my research. I truly never thought I d be here but I am. A plate frame was my very Tesla purchase lol back when the first Tesla Roadster and Model S were announced in hopes of actually owning a Tesla one day. Tesla always intrigued me but at first it was just too pricey for the average person. Then things slowly changed… The Model 3 Model Y and who knows what s next. Owning close to 30 vehicles I have never driven a vehicle where when someone looks at it they look twice. They freeze because of the pure beauty. Some have told me from a distance at first they think it s a Porsche but then quickly see what s actually coming their way. The red to green light torque is mind blowing. The regenerative braking is cool as f**k. The sports car like steering feel is ….well hell yeah!!! Every single inch of this vehicle inside and out is a masterpiece. From the lights and mirror on the sun visor to the Induction wheels. Now the roads ahead of me guide the way in a vehicle that has the latest and greatest tech power and design that many car manufacturers cannot get close to. Aren t they like 10 years behind Tesla? Gone are the long lines at Costco waiting for gas. Gone are the long lines at Costco waiting for gas. Gone are the days that I wait for an oil change while the service guy is trying to tell me there s something else wrong with my vehicle so his technician and the dealership can try and replace a part or replace fluids that are perfectly fine. Gone are the days where the dealership salesperson tries to make an extra $1 000 on a new car sale. The horrible dealership experience and the snakes that go with it in their shiny suits are …..gone. A dream come true… Big props @Elon | Congratulations! Avoiding those Costco gas lines is so good you said it twice. Don t let r cars know you re simultaneously a car enthusiast and a Tesla enthusiast. That doesn t fit the Reddit narrative that only technology enthusiasts could like Teslas. Wait until you get into a rental car and are alarmed by the clunkiness of everything from the drivetrain the acceleration the choppy responsiveness the rickety infotainment UI (and the need to use Carplay as a cartoonish crutch) and the antiquated notions of human-driver interface. Yeah they re not perfect. Nothing ever is. But the total package makes the current competition look confused and haphazard throwing billions at the situation hoping they can use loss-leaders to save face. Still it s great to see more options especially because tastes differ and not everyone will want a Tesla. It s a truly interesting time in cars. | Wait til the honeymoon period wears off. Great car but FAR from a masterpiece. Auto wipers auto headlights are both a joke. Customer service is near 0. And constantly being strung along by Musk is inexcusable A lot of auto manufacturers are closing the gap — and that s great because it s going to force Tesla to level up. I want them to succeed as much as anyone else here but they re screwing over brand loyalists and potential new customers by taking things away like radar or even the lumbar support for passengers. I hope they can get it together here shortly. They ve operated like a start up for so long and I think that tactic won t work anymore. Tesla s are now becoming more mainstream and if they want to convince Betty down the street that they re better safer cars then they ll have to change some of their operations. Nevertheless enjoy the car. I love mine just irritated with Tesla as a company. | 42 | 12 | 8,544 |
npdk2s | 448 | Time to talk I think we all can agree that Tesla is bringing some well overdue change to this world and the industry pushing others towards a greener and safer future. However there are way too many problems with how Tesla deals with it s customers. Firstly they ve basically limited themselves to only communicating with the public via Elon. This on one hand feels much more human and I can appreciate it when it comes to big picture things like where autopilot is heading and such. But when the release of the updated Tesla s is delayed Elon shouldn t have to be the one you have to turn to. A lot of people hardcore Tesla fans have ordered the Tesla Plaid months ago in the belief that it d come in March. The time just came and went and nobody heard about it then the release was delayed to April then to may and now June. Delays are not the problem the problem is that Tesla acts like nobody will notice that their 100 000$ car hasn t arrived and they don t give updates until last second. People have plans you can t tell us it s been postponed a week just a week ahead. We ve tolerated it since we believe in the bigger picture but it s coming to a point where it feels they re taking it for granted that we ll always make excuses for them. It s annoying that owning a Tesla has to come with bad customer treatment. The same goes for customer problems where people have to wait weeks for simple fixes and very little to no communication. Sorry for my rant but I believe it s important that Tesla fixes this or else people will eventually get sick of it and leave. It s time Tesla starts taking us seriously | Tesla is still in a position where it doesn t have to give a shit about its customers because they make some of the best EV s money can buy. But that moat is slowly going away and in a few years it won t be a huge advantage anymore. 3 years ago when I got my Model 3 I was for sure set on being a Tesla customer for life but in those 3 years my opinion has soured due to all the shit they ve pulled and continue to do. I have no loyalty to Tesla anymore and I m not alone in this and as soon as someone releases a car comparable to what Tesla offers I ll happily switch but for now I m putting up with their bs because I really have no choice. | With so many great companies in the past we have witnessed the fall from grace. Eventually greed and over confidence is the Achilles heal to any business and it seems Tesla is starting to show signs of this. My biggest gripe is the lack of integrity. Tesla as a whole has zero. Its constant failed promises and under delivery of just about everything as of recent. | 293 | 12 | 8,545 |
npdk2s | 448 | Time to talk I think we all can agree that Tesla is bringing some well overdue change to this world and the industry pushing others towards a greener and safer future. However there are way too many problems with how Tesla deals with it s customers. Firstly they ve basically limited themselves to only communicating with the public via Elon. This on one hand feels much more human and I can appreciate it when it comes to big picture things like where autopilot is heading and such. But when the release of the updated Tesla s is delayed Elon shouldn t have to be the one you have to turn to. A lot of people hardcore Tesla fans have ordered the Tesla Plaid months ago in the belief that it d come in March. The time just came and went and nobody heard about it then the release was delayed to April then to may and now June. Delays are not the problem the problem is that Tesla acts like nobody will notice that their 100 000$ car hasn t arrived and they don t give updates until last second. People have plans you can t tell us it s been postponed a week just a week ahead. We ve tolerated it since we believe in the bigger picture but it s coming to a point where it feels they re taking it for granted that we ll always make excuses for them. It s annoying that owning a Tesla has to come with bad customer treatment. The same goes for customer problems where people have to wait weeks for simple fixes and very little to no communication. Sorry for my rant but I believe it s important that Tesla fixes this or else people will eventually get sick of it and leave. It s time Tesla starts taking us seriously | Tesla is still in a position where it doesn t have to give a shit about its customers because they make some of the best EV s money can buy. But that moat is slowly going away and in a few years it won t be a huge advantage anymore. 3 years ago when I got my Model 3 I was for sure set on being a Tesla customer for life but in those 3 years my opinion has soured due to all the shit they ve pulled and continue to do. I have no loyalty to Tesla anymore and I m not alone in this and as soon as someone releases a car comparable to what Tesla offers I ll happily switch but for now I m putting up with their bs because I really have no choice. | Where are you located by chance? I find that some locations are worse better than others. My local SC has been pretty great imo. :- Edit: looks like Sweden. | 293 | 19 | 8,546 |
npdk2s | 448 | Time to talk I think we all can agree that Tesla is bringing some well overdue change to this world and the industry pushing others towards a greener and safer future. However there are way too many problems with how Tesla deals with it s customers. Firstly they ve basically limited themselves to only communicating with the public via Elon. This on one hand feels much more human and I can appreciate it when it comes to big picture things like where autopilot is heading and such. But when the release of the updated Tesla s is delayed Elon shouldn t have to be the one you have to turn to. A lot of people hardcore Tesla fans have ordered the Tesla Plaid months ago in the belief that it d come in March. The time just came and went and nobody heard about it then the release was delayed to April then to may and now June. Delays are not the problem the problem is that Tesla acts like nobody will notice that their 100 000$ car hasn t arrived and they don t give updates until last second. People have plans you can t tell us it s been postponed a week just a week ahead. We ve tolerated it since we believe in the bigger picture but it s coming to a point where it feels they re taking it for granted that we ll always make excuses for them. It s annoying that owning a Tesla has to come with bad customer treatment. The same goes for customer problems where people have to wait weeks for simple fixes and very little to no communication. Sorry for my rant but I believe it s important that Tesla fixes this or else people will eventually get sick of it and leave. It s time Tesla starts taking us seriously | Tesla is still in a position where it doesn t have to give a shit about its customers because they make some of the best EV s money can buy. But that moat is slowly going away and in a few years it won t be a huge advantage anymore. 3 years ago when I got my Model 3 I was for sure set on being a Tesla customer for life but in those 3 years my opinion has soured due to all the shit they ve pulled and continue to do. I have no loyalty to Tesla anymore and I m not alone in this and as soon as someone releases a car comparable to what Tesla offers I ll happily switch but for now I m putting up with their bs because I really have no choice. | The problem is Tesla fans give them way too much slack for their egregious customer service and communication. They will only improve in these areas when they re forced to. | 293 | 26 | 8,547 |
nplhqr | 731 | FSD rumored price increase to 14 000$. I was FOMO ing and almost bought it but reconsidered it. here is why. The rumored price increaase of FSD from 10 000$ to 14 000$ made me consider to pull the trigger I was really FOMOing like an idiot. I was happy with AP but the price increase prompted me to do some research on FSD. And my conclusion is that it s basically not worth it for multiple reasons. I ll list them in the order I personally feel are a deal breaker: & #x200B 1. FSD is not transferable to a new car (even if your car is destroyed because of another driver crashing into you) 2. FSD is not feature complete at all and will not be for the estimtated time I ll keep my car (4 years) 3. FSD might not be fully usable with current hardware (HW3) 4. Auto lane switching is the only interesting and usable difference between AP and FSD I m not paying 10k USD for that 5. The other features (Summon FSD in the City NoA) are not polished at all and are at best gimmicks or at worst dangerous There are countless early adopters who all basically say that they regret dumping money on a feature they will probably never be able to use. & #x200B The only valid reason to buy FSD are: \\-if you personally own a lot of Tesla share and want to support the company \\- you work in AI or a competing company and really value the insight that seing how FSD progress gives you \\- you have so much money that 10k USD is nothing for you \\- you are secretely in love with Elon Musk I m glad this subreddit exists thanks to it I saved 10k USD. | I bought FSD at 7k and totally agree with you. Pricing it at 14k is insanity. At the very least it should be transferrable between cars even if it cost a license transfer fee (1k for example). | On the other hand if it does actually increase to $14 000 you theoretically get all the features and $4 000 of extra value if you don t total the car. This would only ever be realized if you were selling the car private party to someone also considering paying full price for FSD. I bought FSD on the $2 000 upgrade from EAP which was $5 000. I agree with all of your points it should at least transfer. The subscription idea makes way more sense. | 313 | 4 | 8,548 |
nplhqr | 731 | FSD rumored price increase to 14 000$. I was FOMO ing and almost bought it but reconsidered it. here is why. The rumored price increaase of FSD from 10 000$ to 14 000$ made me consider to pull the trigger I was really FOMOing like an idiot. I was happy with AP but the price increase prompted me to do some research on FSD. And my conclusion is that it s basically not worth it for multiple reasons. I ll list them in the order I personally feel are a deal breaker: & #x200B 1. FSD is not transferable to a new car (even if your car is destroyed because of another driver crashing into you) 2. FSD is not feature complete at all and will not be for the estimtated time I ll keep my car (4 years) 3. FSD might not be fully usable with current hardware (HW3) 4. Auto lane switching is the only interesting and usable difference between AP and FSD I m not paying 10k USD for that 5. The other features (Summon FSD in the City NoA) are not polished at all and are at best gimmicks or at worst dangerous There are countless early adopters who all basically say that they regret dumping money on a feature they will probably never be able to use. & #x200B The only valid reason to buy FSD are: \\-if you personally own a lot of Tesla share and want to support the company \\- you work in AI or a competing company and really value the insight that seing how FSD progress gives you \\- you have so much money that 10k USD is nothing for you \\- you are secretely in love with Elon Musk I m glad this subreddit exists thanks to it I saved 10k USD. | I bought FSD at 7k and totally agree with you. Pricing it at 14k is insanity. At the very least it should be transferrable between cars even if it cost a license transfer fee (1k for example). | Very good I think lots of folks will disagree with #3 but I think they re going to be surprised when they see that FSD won t work given the low resolution of the cameras. I don t think Tesla will retrofit cameras but who knows for sure. | 313 | 5 | 8,549 |
nplhqr | 731 | FSD rumored price increase to 14 000$. I was FOMO ing and almost bought it but reconsidered it. here is why. The rumored price increaase of FSD from 10 000$ to 14 000$ made me consider to pull the trigger I was really FOMOing like an idiot. I was happy with AP but the price increase prompted me to do some research on FSD. And my conclusion is that it s basically not worth it for multiple reasons. I ll list them in the order I personally feel are a deal breaker: & #x200B 1. FSD is not transferable to a new car (even if your car is destroyed because of another driver crashing into you) 2. FSD is not feature complete at all and will not be for the estimtated time I ll keep my car (4 years) 3. FSD might not be fully usable with current hardware (HW3) 4. Auto lane switching is the only interesting and usable difference between AP and FSD I m not paying 10k USD for that 5. The other features (Summon FSD in the City NoA) are not polished at all and are at best gimmicks or at worst dangerous There are countless early adopters who all basically say that they regret dumping money on a feature they will probably never be able to use. & #x200B The only valid reason to buy FSD are: \\-if you personally own a lot of Tesla share and want to support the company \\- you work in AI or a competing company and really value the insight that seing how FSD progress gives you \\- you have so much money that 10k USD is nothing for you \\- you are secretely in love with Elon Musk I m glad this subreddit exists thanks to it I saved 10k USD. | I bought FSD at 7k and totally agree with you. Pricing it at 14k is insanity. At the very least it should be transferrable between cars even if it cost a license transfer fee (1k for example). | I hate the fact that I agree with you especially with the down-graded radar-less system. I had it on my last Performance 3 not so sure I ll keep it on my June delivery Performance 3 | 313 | 5 | 8,550 |
nptfpc | 33 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | * Blended braking there is zero reason this car should behave differently when cold * Circle around Fan indicator when in recycle mode * Tap car while driving to return to correct perspective * Show % and Miles KM simultaneously * full blue tooth support to select tracks play lists performer and place in song Notes on #1 Blended braking is not the evil many like to make it out to be. The idea is that regardless how you decelerate pressing the brake or lifting off the pedal that the regenerative means are used first but in all cases if regenerative capacity is limited from cold or full pack that the car blends in the real brakes so that you slow at the same rate regardless. This feature is on many other EVs. The car is already effectively doing this when it drives itself. On #3 sometimes when trying to swipe to tire pressure or efficiency the new interface misinterprets the swipe and I want an easy way to restore the orientation of the car | Auto tilt rear view mirror - aligned to driver profile. | 33 | 2 | 8,551 |
nptfpc | 33 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | * Blended braking there is zero reason this car should behave differently when cold * Circle around Fan indicator when in recycle mode * Tap car while driving to return to correct perspective * Show % and Miles KM simultaneously * full blue tooth support to select tracks play lists performer and place in song Notes on #1 Blended braking is not the evil many like to make it out to be. The idea is that regardless how you decelerate pressing the brake or lifting off the pedal that the regenerative means are used first but in all cases if regenerative capacity is limited from cold or full pack that the car blends in the real brakes so that you slow at the same rate regardless. This feature is on many other EVs. The car is already effectively doing this when it drives itself. On #3 sometimes when trying to swipe to tire pressure or efficiency the new interface misinterprets the swipe and I want an easy way to restore the orientation of the car | Updated Maps! I declare it a feature a car that actually updates the maps. They are very outdated in Europe now at least in Sweden. Missing roads and speed limits all wrong. Yes I know there seem to be rolling out new ones now but haven t received it yet. Meanwhile I ve had three software updates. | 33 | 2 | 8,552 |
nptfpc | 33 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | * Blended braking there is zero reason this car should behave differently when cold * Circle around Fan indicator when in recycle mode * Tap car while driving to return to correct perspective * Show % and Miles KM simultaneously * full blue tooth support to select tracks play lists performer and place in song Notes on #1 Blended braking is not the evil many like to make it out to be. The idea is that regardless how you decelerate pressing the brake or lifting off the pedal that the regenerative means are used first but in all cases if regenerative capacity is limited from cold or full pack that the car blends in the real brakes so that you slow at the same rate regardless. This feature is on many other EVs. The car is already effectively doing this when it drives itself. On #3 sometimes when trying to swipe to tire pressure or efficiency the new interface misinterprets the swipe and I want an easy way to restore the orientation of the car | A voice command to take a note and then it puts a virtual sticky not on the screen. | 33 | 3 | 8,553 |
npvs38 | 90 | Why you cant drive off radar alone misses the point I ve responded to so many in this idea that I m just going to post it on it s own. Basically the idea keep coming across is that radar is a useless backup system because you can t drive on radar alone so if vision fails you have to stop anyway. The reality is that while you can t drive on radar alone you can drive on radar and last known road data for a short while... Say long enough for a splash of rain to stop blinding the camera. You do this by utilizing multiple sensors and: 1: Using the last frame of lane data from vision before it got blinded the road shape will not change you know there won t suddenly be a 90 degree left turn where they wasn t one a second ago. 2: Use radar to ensure the thing that CAN change (other cars location) didn t result in an obstacle ahead of you. While the road can t change a car could cut you off. As long as you know this didn t happen you can keep driving off the lane data you stored from vision. 3: Use IMU to ensure you re following your stored data. By monitoring acceleration in different directions you can have pretty good confidence of where you are relative to the road for a few seconds. So while you can t drive on radar alone for long periods you can very much combine it s data with other sensors to cover short term failures in one. Which is basically what Elon was referring to https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments noxprt in_light_of_recent_events_with_radar_and_a ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf | When I read this sub now more than ever I realize we re not experts in the radar or vision-based driving automation sector. Not a single post since Vision was announced makes full and complete sense of the big picture. Basically just a bunch of redditors perpetuating what the last thread said which were based on presumptions from a couple YouTube videos of the current software. If Tesla says vision only is the way to go I trust they have something better in mind. They re the experts. Sometimes you have to take a step backward to take two steps forward. | > 2: Use radar to ensure the thing that CAN change (other cars location) didn t result in an obstacle ahead of you. While the road can t change a car could cut you off. As long as you know this didn t happen you can keep driving off the lane data you stored from vision. I get what you re saying but this is exactly the issue they ve been having with radar in the first place. Say the car s driving beneath a road sign or past a piece of metallic litter when visibility gets occluded (spray direct sun etc) and the car slams on the brakes since it s relying primarily on radar input for the ~.8s the forward cams don t have visibility. No visibility is no visibility and having a sensor that essentially can only command STOP for uncertain conditions ahead has resulted in a long history of phantom braking on these cars which is incredibly dangerous on its own given the right set of circumstances. The way it seems like Musk sees it is they re eliminating a lot of sensor noise. | 148 | 4 | 8,554 |
npw7xj | 106 | Sales Advisor s mobile phones taken away I just attempted to call my Sales Advisor (SA) on the mobile phone he used to communicate with me for months and got a very odd and confusing automated message from AT& T (my carrier). I called the Showroom selected sales and spoke with the SA who answered and mentioned my difficulty in reaching my SA. The answering SA told me that all of their individual phones were taken away without explanation. Do not expect to receive responses to calls or texts unless you call the Showroom directly. | Soooo even MORE cost cutting? Tesla is acting like they re broke as hell lately. | Ha that s funny! Haven t heard from mine since the day I ordered! | 110 | 6 | 8,555 |
npw7xj | 106 | Sales Advisor s mobile phones taken away I just attempted to call my Sales Advisor (SA) on the mobile phone he used to communicate with me for months and got a very odd and confusing automated message from AT& T (my carrier). I called the Showroom selected sales and spoke with the SA who answered and mentioned my difficulty in reaching my SA. The answering SA told me that all of their individual phones were taken away without explanation. Do not expect to receive responses to calls or texts unless you call the Showroom directly. | Tesla greatly reduced the number of employees eligible for a company phones or private phone plan and device reimbursement about 8 months ago and then again last month. Source is several acquaintances who work for Tesla at various levels of the sales and service org structure. | Ha that s funny! Haven t heard from mine since the day I ordered! | 93 | 6 | 8,556 |
npw7xj | 106 | Sales Advisor s mobile phones taken away I just attempted to call my Sales Advisor (SA) on the mobile phone he used to communicate with me for months and got a very odd and confusing automated message from AT& T (my carrier). I called the Showroom selected sales and spoke with the SA who answered and mentioned my difficulty in reaching my SA. The answering SA told me that all of their individual phones were taken away without explanation. Do not expect to receive responses to calls or texts unless you call the Showroom directly. | So tesla thought their communication with customers was just too good? | Depending on what your role is at Tesla do you necessarily need a cell phone provided by your employer? If you go on test drives with customers then sure I could see it. But if your job is to answer the desk phone in the show room and give visual and verbal tours explanations to customers who come in then what do you need a cell phone for? I know it s become basically a given that employers provide cell phones but if you don t use it in your day to day operations then it s a waste of money. Additionally as an IT guy once end users get your company cell phone number they will NEVER use anything else but that. No ticketing system. No help desk. Everything they need WILL be a direct text or call to your cell phone. Tesla probably wants to get people into the main service queue using the app to report incidents and such. | 64 | 2 | 8,557 |
nq1pc3 | 98 | Thoughts on driving an ICE car after 2 years in a Tesla. I have a 2019 SR+ with AP. I was recently on vacation in the SFBA and rented a Kia Optima. Over a week I drove about a 1200 miles including an overnight trip to Yosemite. Here are my thoughts. * It was nice to have 500+ miles range and be able to fill up anywhere. * I forgot how miserable gassing up could be especially with the CA vapor recovery nozzles. * Wow I had AM and could listen to park info on 1610. * Just AM FM. Eventually BT paired my phone for Spotify. Should have tested Android Auto but didn t. * I felt kind of dirty pumping out so much CO2. * I really liked the blind spot go nogo lights on the mirrors where they should be. * The engine was noisy (I really dont need vroom vroom . I m not 12). * Driving long distances is a lot more tiring than in the Tesla - AP really makes a difference. The Kia had dumb cruise control which responded to control changes very sluggishly and a half-assed lane keeping that could handle only almost straight highways but was better than nothing. I was suprised it had even that. * Acceleration was blah but not terrible. * Rear cross traffic warnings were really nice. * I kept getting out and forgetting to turn the car off and to take the keys. Edit: * Several times I started the windshield wipers when I wanted to shift to drive. | This perfectly captures my general thoughts when driving traditional vehicles. Sometimes at night I have naughty dreams about Teslas that also have conventional sensors and 360 views. | Driving a turbo Santa Fe: awful throttle mapping. Going off the line it has nothing until the turbo spools up bringing with it all of Newton s wrath. Better get the throttle position right the first time too because if you overshoot and try to tone it down even slightly it dumps all the pressure in the turbo and you re back to having nothing. | 59 | 18 | 8,558 |
nq1pc3 | 98 | Thoughts on driving an ICE car after 2 years in a Tesla. I have a 2019 SR+ with AP. I was recently on vacation in the SFBA and rented a Kia Optima. Over a week I drove about a 1200 miles including an overnight trip to Yosemite. Here are my thoughts. * It was nice to have 500+ miles range and be able to fill up anywhere. * I forgot how miserable gassing up could be especially with the CA vapor recovery nozzles. * Wow I had AM and could listen to park info on 1610. * Just AM FM. Eventually BT paired my phone for Spotify. Should have tested Android Auto but didn t. * I felt kind of dirty pumping out so much CO2. * I really liked the blind spot go nogo lights on the mirrors where they should be. * The engine was noisy (I really dont need vroom vroom . I m not 12). * Driving long distances is a lot more tiring than in the Tesla - AP really makes a difference. The Kia had dumb cruise control which responded to control changes very sluggishly and a half-assed lane keeping that could handle only almost straight highways but was better than nothing. I was suprised it had even that. * Acceleration was blah but not terrible. * Rear cross traffic warnings were really nice. * I kept getting out and forgetting to turn the car off and to take the keys. Edit: * Several times I started the windshield wipers when I wanted to shift to drive. | One thing to note is that driver assistance has nothing to do with propulsion and Autopilot is actually falling behind where some competitors are. So gas cars are tiring AP is great is subjective. I actually find changing lanes with Autopilot to be really tiring compared to competing systems that don t require you to disengage and reengage every...single....time. | To be fair engine noise is generally only in sports cars or economy cars. Cars in the price category of Tesla tend to be a lot quieter being partly a driver for “pumping in” noise in the cabin in sport modes. The Kia Optima isn t exactly known for its “vroom vroom” ) I used to have to rent a car every week from varying brands and their models. I would happily take a Bolt i3 etc. if it means I can avoid the hassle of an ICE (unless it s a more refined sports car). It s very hard to have to drive an ICE car for me now. | 32 | 2 | 8,559 |
nq1pc3 | 98 | Thoughts on driving an ICE car after 2 years in a Tesla. I have a 2019 SR+ with AP. I was recently on vacation in the SFBA and rented a Kia Optima. Over a week I drove about a 1200 miles including an overnight trip to Yosemite. Here are my thoughts. * It was nice to have 500+ miles range and be able to fill up anywhere. * I forgot how miserable gassing up could be especially with the CA vapor recovery nozzles. * Wow I had AM and could listen to park info on 1610. * Just AM FM. Eventually BT paired my phone for Spotify. Should have tested Android Auto but didn t. * I felt kind of dirty pumping out so much CO2. * I really liked the blind spot go nogo lights on the mirrors where they should be. * The engine was noisy (I really dont need vroom vroom . I m not 12). * Driving long distances is a lot more tiring than in the Tesla - AP really makes a difference. The Kia had dumb cruise control which responded to control changes very sluggishly and a half-assed lane keeping that could handle only almost straight highways but was better than nothing. I was suprised it had even that. * Acceleration was blah but not terrible. * Rear cross traffic warnings were really nice. * I kept getting out and forgetting to turn the car off and to take the keys. Edit: * Several times I started the windshield wipers when I wanted to shift to drive. | One thing to note is that driver assistance has nothing to do with propulsion and Autopilot is actually falling behind where some competitors are. So gas cars are tiring AP is great is subjective. I actually find changing lanes with Autopilot to be really tiring compared to competing systems that don t require you to disengage and reengage every...single....time. | It s strange going from a Tesla which is better in so many way to a worse vehicle that has those few things Tesla doesn t do. Blind spot CarPlay Android Auto etc. My Tesla is an older pre-Autopilot Model S so ironically my Tesla is *WORSE* than my other car in that way because my other car at least has traffic aware cruise control and basic lane-keep in some conditions. My Tesla has just dumb set speed cruise. Tesla s set-speed cruise is even worse than set speed cruise on other older vehicles I ve had. The speed changes are *VERY* jerky - it doesn t do any smoothing. Set it up by 1 MPH and you get a very short burst of acceleration to get there. I really wish it would take slightly more time - if you want to go up 3 MPH you tap up 3 times and get 3 little herky-jerky spurts of speed not one medium-acceleration increase of 3 MPH. At least unlike older gas vehicles it does use regenerative braking to hold your speed going downhill. (Within the limits of regenerative braking - it won t use friction brakes at all so if you re at high charge it might not have enough regeneration available to hold you at your desired speed.) | 32 | 2 | 8,560 |
nq8m1u | 1,384 | Tesla Solar is a Joke Signed up a full 2 months ago and immediately did the questionnaire uploaded the photos they wanted. Then radio silence. For two months. The only time I ever heard from them was once when I emailed them to tell them my order had one too many power walls. They said they would take it off and never did. I ve been emailing them for weeks. No response. Call and hold multiple times for hour plus until I have to get on a meeting never get through. These people want to install $60k worth of equipment on my house and I m not even convinced they exist. Now I get an email telling me they cancelled my order because the area is shaded. Nobody asked me about like trimming or cutting the trees which are on my own property and I could easily clear. My house has a big continuous south facing roof. Beautiful for solar. Obnoxious. I love my car and recommended them to everyone. But Tesla Energy is a disaster. | Last I heard each Tesla solar advisor is handling something like 100 projects at once. If you don t stay on top of your own project it s easy to fall through the cracks. Once you re installed though it s pretty smooth sailing. I had an inverter fail and you can schedule service through the app just like for vehicles. I ve just passed 7 MWh generated on my Tesla system installed last year. Best advice I can give is if you reach your advisor s voicemail hit 0 and it will connect you to another employee who can help. | I m sure you already read all the terrible reviews. Go with a reputable company and don t look back imo | 306 | 6 | 8,561 |
nq8m1u | 1,384 | Tesla Solar is a Joke Signed up a full 2 months ago and immediately did the questionnaire uploaded the photos they wanted. Then radio silence. For two months. The only time I ever heard from them was once when I emailed them to tell them my order had one too many power walls. They said they would take it off and never did. I ve been emailing them for weeks. No response. Call and hold multiple times for hour plus until I have to get on a meeting never get through. These people want to install $60k worth of equipment on my house and I m not even convinced they exist. Now I get an email telling me they cancelled my order because the area is shaded. Nobody asked me about like trimming or cutting the trees which are on my own property and I could easily clear. My house has a big continuous south facing roof. Beautiful for solar. Obnoxious. I love my car and recommended them to everyone. But Tesla Energy is a disaster. | Last I heard each Tesla solar advisor is handling something like 100 projects at once. If you don t stay on top of your own project it s easy to fall through the cracks. Once you re installed though it s pretty smooth sailing. I had an inverter fail and you can schedule service through the app just like for vehicles. I ve just passed 7 MWh generated on my Tesla system installed last year. Best advice I can give is if you reach your advisor s voicemail hit 0 and it will connect you to another employee who can help. | I have had no issues with the leased panels I have had for a little over 5 years. I have some older ones I own but that the service was adopted by Tesla through acquisitions. The app doesn t seem to accommodate my hybrid setup and requesting help on the older panels has been difficult. As far as time to get installed this is a universally difficult problem. They need to work with your utility and government for permitting and approvals etc. That + COVID like everything has gotten worse. My first panels took 4 months the second took about 3. | 306 | 12 | 8,562 |
nq8m1u | 1,384 | Tesla Solar is a Joke Signed up a full 2 months ago and immediately did the questionnaire uploaded the photos they wanted. Then radio silence. For two months. The only time I ever heard from them was once when I emailed them to tell them my order had one too many power walls. They said they would take it off and never did. I ve been emailing them for weeks. No response. Call and hold multiple times for hour plus until I have to get on a meeting never get through. These people want to install $60k worth of equipment on my house and I m not even convinced they exist. Now I get an email telling me they cancelled my order because the area is shaded. Nobody asked me about like trimming or cutting the trees which are on my own property and I could easily clear. My house has a big continuous south facing roof. Beautiful for solar. Obnoxious. I love my car and recommended them to everyone. But Tesla Energy is a disaster. | Last I heard each Tesla solar advisor is handling something like 100 projects at once. If you don t stay on top of your own project it s easy to fall through the cracks. Once you re installed though it s pretty smooth sailing. I had an inverter fail and you can schedule service through the app just like for vehicles. I ve just passed 7 MWh generated on my Tesla system installed last year. Best advice I can give is if you reach your advisor s voicemail hit 0 and it will connect you to another employee who can help. | I gotta agree. I have Tesla panels and a model 3. I hands down actively recommend the model 3 to my friends while I have to tell them to stay away from Tesla solar. They would be best served by any local solar provider. Definitely a big big area of improvement for Tesla is their customer service. I had a leak in my roof and suspected the panels installation. Reached out to Tesla only to get a “two month” timeline for someone to come take a look. Or course this was not doable with a leak so I called the local company subcontracted by Tesla during installation. They went above and beyond and we discovered issue was not the panels in 24 hours. | 306 | 44 | 8,563 |
nqwsfe | 445 | Tesla Vision vs. Radar Today I took delivery of a 2021 Model Y with no radar (VIN 196xxx s w version 2021.3.102.6) I also own a 2018 Model 3 with radar (VIN 059xxx s w version 2021.4.18 50k miles) Given all of the fuss over removing radar I decided to run some tests (I m a software engineer working in the autonomous vehicle sector so I can t help myself). I drove a 30 mile loop that consisted of highway and surface streets with both dense and sparse traffic. Weather was sunny with no clouds shadows were sharp. Autopilot performance between the two vehicles was about the same. My impression is that Autopilot is a bit more tentative in the Y (no radar) compared to the 3. It slows down sooner when approaching a stopped car leaves more space between cars and hesitates more. When a vehicle ahead of me in my lane exits the lane the vehicle waits until the car is COMPLETELY out of the lane before proceeding (the 3 does this too just not to the same extent). There was also a case where a pickup truck was in the adjacent lane slightly ahead of me where the pickup moved a bit towards my lane (but never departed his) and my car slowed down slightly as if it was merging. Again the 3 does this too sometimes but it takes a more overt act by the other car. I can see where some people might interpret that as a phantom brake. I also tried driving straight at a traffic cone and got a Forward Collision Alert. My sense is that Tesla has turned down the thresholds a bit to make autopilot more conservative while they complete validation of Tesla Vision. I saw no cases where lack of radar degraded the autopilot performance other than being more tentative. & #x200B UPDATE: Night Time. Auto high beams are still annoying but they have gotten better. It seems to do a better job of distinguishing between oncoming traffic and reflections so it cycles less but it also seems to keep high beams on a bit too long when approaching another car. It wasn t bad enough to get flashed by an angry driver over the 30-mile loop though. Auto high-beam performance is the same with or without radar but it s more annoying without radar because the system forces you to keep them enabled. I hope they either make it better or remove the requirement. Overall autopilot performance at night was the same as during the day. I was particularly interested in how well the system would detect cars that I was approaching from behind particularly when that car was stopped or at a high relative velocity. Autopilot did a good job of detecting other vehicles and slowing down smoothly even when the road was dark and high beams were off because the other car was there. All I could see were the taillights. It also did a good job of maintaining a constant distance to the vehicle in front. A better test would be to have the lead vehicle slam on its brakes at minimum distance but I ll let Tesla do that test. & #x200B | You need to repeat the test and compare the cars at night on AP | Thanks for this comparison. Can you double check the software version on the Y? Others have reported their Y without radar was running 2021.4.15.11 ([https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1MUkbTrefGc](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1MUkbTrefGc)) which was recently updated to 2021.4.18.1 (https: www.youtube.com watch?v=6sSQ6c9k\\_iQ) | 111 | 3 | 8,564 |
nqwsfe | 445 | Tesla Vision vs. Radar Today I took delivery of a 2021 Model Y with no radar (VIN 196xxx s w version 2021.3.102.6) I also own a 2018 Model 3 with radar (VIN 059xxx s w version 2021.4.18 50k miles) Given all of the fuss over removing radar I decided to run some tests (I m a software engineer working in the autonomous vehicle sector so I can t help myself). I drove a 30 mile loop that consisted of highway and surface streets with both dense and sparse traffic. Weather was sunny with no clouds shadows were sharp. Autopilot performance between the two vehicles was about the same. My impression is that Autopilot is a bit more tentative in the Y (no radar) compared to the 3. It slows down sooner when approaching a stopped car leaves more space between cars and hesitates more. When a vehicle ahead of me in my lane exits the lane the vehicle waits until the car is COMPLETELY out of the lane before proceeding (the 3 does this too just not to the same extent). There was also a case where a pickup truck was in the adjacent lane slightly ahead of me where the pickup moved a bit towards my lane (but never departed his) and my car slowed down slightly as if it was merging. Again the 3 does this too sometimes but it takes a more overt act by the other car. I can see where some people might interpret that as a phantom brake. I also tried driving straight at a traffic cone and got a Forward Collision Alert. My sense is that Tesla has turned down the thresholds a bit to make autopilot more conservative while they complete validation of Tesla Vision. I saw no cases where lack of radar degraded the autopilot performance other than being more tentative. & #x200B UPDATE: Night Time. Auto high beams are still annoying but they have gotten better. It seems to do a better job of distinguishing between oncoming traffic and reflections so it cycles less but it also seems to keep high beams on a bit too long when approaching another car. It wasn t bad enough to get flashed by an angry driver over the 30-mile loop though. Auto high-beam performance is the same with or without radar but it s more annoying without radar because the system forces you to keep them enabled. I hope they either make it better or remove the requirement. Overall autopilot performance at night was the same as during the day. I was particularly interested in how well the system would detect cars that I was approaching from behind particularly when that car was stopped or at a high relative velocity. Autopilot did a good job of detecting other vehicles and slowing down smoothly even when the road was dark and high beams were off because the other car was there. All I could see were the taillights. It also did a good job of maintaining a constant distance to the vehicle in front. A better test would be to have the lead vehicle slam on its brakes at minimum distance but I ll let Tesla do that test. & #x200B | You need to repeat the test and compare the cars at night on AP | Other huge difference- 75mph limit without radar. | 111 | 4 | 8,565 |
nqwsfe | 445 | Tesla Vision vs. Radar Today I took delivery of a 2021 Model Y with no radar (VIN 196xxx s w version 2021.3.102.6) I also own a 2018 Model 3 with radar (VIN 059xxx s w version 2021.4.18 50k miles) Given all of the fuss over removing radar I decided to run some tests (I m a software engineer working in the autonomous vehicle sector so I can t help myself). I drove a 30 mile loop that consisted of highway and surface streets with both dense and sparse traffic. Weather was sunny with no clouds shadows were sharp. Autopilot performance between the two vehicles was about the same. My impression is that Autopilot is a bit more tentative in the Y (no radar) compared to the 3. It slows down sooner when approaching a stopped car leaves more space between cars and hesitates more. When a vehicle ahead of me in my lane exits the lane the vehicle waits until the car is COMPLETELY out of the lane before proceeding (the 3 does this too just not to the same extent). There was also a case where a pickup truck was in the adjacent lane slightly ahead of me where the pickup moved a bit towards my lane (but never departed his) and my car slowed down slightly as if it was merging. Again the 3 does this too sometimes but it takes a more overt act by the other car. I can see where some people might interpret that as a phantom brake. I also tried driving straight at a traffic cone and got a Forward Collision Alert. My sense is that Tesla has turned down the thresholds a bit to make autopilot more conservative while they complete validation of Tesla Vision. I saw no cases where lack of radar degraded the autopilot performance other than being more tentative. & #x200B UPDATE: Night Time. Auto high beams are still annoying but they have gotten better. It seems to do a better job of distinguishing between oncoming traffic and reflections so it cycles less but it also seems to keep high beams on a bit too long when approaching another car. It wasn t bad enough to get flashed by an angry driver over the 30-mile loop though. Auto high-beam performance is the same with or without radar but it s more annoying without radar because the system forces you to keep them enabled. I hope they either make it better or remove the requirement. Overall autopilot performance at night was the same as during the day. I was particularly interested in how well the system would detect cars that I was approaching from behind particularly when that car was stopped or at a high relative velocity. Autopilot did a good job of detecting other vehicles and slowing down smoothly even when the road was dark and high beams were off because the other car was there. All I could see were the taillights. It also did a good job of maintaining a constant distance to the vehicle in front. A better test would be to have the lead vehicle slam on its brakes at minimum distance but I ll let Tesla do that test. & #x200B | You need to repeat the test and compare the cars at night on AP | Sounds like a reasonable conclusion. I would honestly be surprised if they did not. | 111 | 29 | 8,566 |
nrppop | 159 | Tesla to use facial recognition for driver and passenger profiles Tesla filed a patent to start using facial recognition to set passenger profile preferences. [https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates upcoming-features id 500 tesla-to-use-face-recognition-to-offer-new-driver-and-passenger-profiles](https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates upcoming-features id 500 tesla-to-use-face-recognition-to-offer-new-driver-and-passenger-profiles) | Companies file patents like this all the time that never make it to the light of day in products. I wouldn t say this indicates in the least bit what we can expect to see all it does is tell us what they are experimenting on. | What type of cameras are in the Teslas today? just normal or IR or....? | 102 | 4 | 8,567 |
nrurcq | 54 | How does insurance handle reimbursements with pricing being crazy now? Hello. I had the misfortune of meeting a gentleman in his nineties at an intersection that did not yield while making a left turn. Needless to say my model 3 is not in great condition. He was driving a very large truck. Luckily I had dashcam footage. The police report listed him to blame 100% and the footage made his insurance company immediately admit liability. With normal cars the insurance company usually offers you less than what you paid for the car because the car depreciates when you take it off the lot. With Tesla cars from 2019 with 10000 miles on them that are used are selling at a higher price than new teslas with 0 miles on them when I browse existing inventory of model 3 on Tesla s website. I imagine this is because there are people that do not want to wait 2 to 11 weeks for their car that want to be able to get them immediately and don t mind it being used or older. Whether it is on craigslist or eBay motors Tesla s website or other car resellers the pricing over the past few months for a year or two year old tesla with 10000 miles is often higher than if you actually order a new car. My car had 2200 miles on it. If insurance decides it is totalled what are the chances they will write out a check for the 46 800 or so I paid plus tax rather than a lowball offer? Is there a chance of them offering me more than I paid for it since the price for an identically specced vehicle went up recently and the tesla used market often costs more than retail new ? Or has your experience been that insurance will try to screw you with a Lowball offer anyway? My fear is the insurance company coming back to me and saying we ll give you $42000 or something like that when the car has 2000 miles on it and the interior of it looks completely new. I cannot even get a used 2021 model 3 long range with 5 times the mileage on it for that amount of money. I will find out over the next few days what they do with it I just want to be prepared based on other people s experiences. They said they get their pricing from CCC but laypeople aren t able to access pricing data on their website. Thank you so much! p.s. Make sure your dashcam is always recording. Mine wasn t. I set it up one day before this happened. Without it this would ve been a considerably more difficult experience. Being able to demonstrate that the gentleman initiated his left turn when I was less than 50 feet away from his truck at the intersection was critical in getting his insurance company to admit full liability immediately and in having an accurate police report written. | Asking an insurance company not to cheat you is like asking a bank robber not to rob a bank. They will always go for the cheapest route and you have to fight for it. If it s too much off might be good to get lawyer involved. | What insurance company is his? Some are actually decent doing research on the selling price of similar used vehicles locally and averaging the price. My son s car was recently totaled and they offered $1000 *MORE* than I was expecting. (And older Subaru $6500 - only paid $5500 for it last year.) | 56 | 10 | 8,568 |
nrx9zc | 46 | Lifetime BMW owner making the switch please educate me! As the title reads I have owned nothing but BMWs for my entire life end I am finally ready to make the switch to all the electric. Before somebody mentions it I had the luck of never having issues with my cars as I only purchased M models and luckily they had no issues in 8 years of ownership. I decided to make the switch as I am interested in putting my money and focus in different opportunities and I would love to do my part to reduce emissions. More than likely I am going to be purchasing the model three performance. I did test drive it overnight and it was incredible of course there are some features that I dislike and some that I really like but that s with every car. For those of you who have experience with these vehicles I would really like to receive your input about the long-term ownership and any drawbacks of general tesla ownership. Are there any reasons not to get the performance model other than the financial reasons? Is the model three in general a trouble free car with little maintenance or future hiccups? What do you dislike about your car? What could have been done better? And what is a major inconvenience? What is the average annual percentage rate people are paying? Is it possible to get less than 2.49% as advertised? Lastly if anybody has the information what are all and any benefits (Rebate credits) I could receive regardless of qualification in the state of California? I want to think anybody who takes the time to read and respond to this in advance. Hopefully I can soon join the Tesla community | Get a 240v charger at home super convenient. Also if you can get a charger at work makes going into the office more enjoyable to mooch a free tank of electrons. Low maintenance is incredible and driving it is very low-stress and thrilling at the same time. Definitely costs less to run than the comparable bimmer (depreciation is way less) It s not quite at the level of polish and plushness of the bimmer but its simple pure and you don t get gouged on parts options (Aside from FSD) or chintyz sales leasing... | Hello and welcome to the family! I have the M3P for 2 years now. Very good experience a wielding issue had to be done 6 months after i received the car (electronic). I had to make it fox and it was my major inconvenient as they fixed it in the closest service center at the time which was a bit far from home. Apart from this nothing. Just rotate the tore dod nothing else. The m3p has a bit less range but i will never trade it back for a long range. Enjoy the ride! | 39 | 3 | 8,569 |
nrx9zc | 46 | Lifetime BMW owner making the switch please educate me! As the title reads I have owned nothing but BMWs for my entire life end I am finally ready to make the switch to all the electric. Before somebody mentions it I had the luck of never having issues with my cars as I only purchased M models and luckily they had no issues in 8 years of ownership. I decided to make the switch as I am interested in putting my money and focus in different opportunities and I would love to do my part to reduce emissions. More than likely I am going to be purchasing the model three performance. I did test drive it overnight and it was incredible of course there are some features that I dislike and some that I really like but that s with every car. For those of you who have experience with these vehicles I would really like to receive your input about the long-term ownership and any drawbacks of general tesla ownership. Are there any reasons not to get the performance model other than the financial reasons? Is the model three in general a trouble free car with little maintenance or future hiccups? What do you dislike about your car? What could have been done better? And what is a major inconvenience? What is the average annual percentage rate people are paying? Is it possible to get less than 2.49% as advertised? Lastly if anybody has the information what are all and any benefits (Rebate credits) I could receive regardless of qualification in the state of California? I want to think anybody who takes the time to read and respond to this in advance. Hopefully I can soon join the Tesla community | Get a 240v charger at home super convenient. Also if you can get a charger at work makes going into the office more enjoyable to mooch a free tank of electrons. Low maintenance is incredible and driving it is very low-stress and thrilling at the same time. Definitely costs less to run than the comparable bimmer (depreciation is way less) It s not quite at the level of polish and plushness of the bimmer but its simple pure and you don t get gouged on parts options (Aside from FSD) or chintyz sales leasing... | > Are there any reasons not to get the performance model other than the financial reasons? None that I m aware of. *Technically* the Performance Model 3 is less efficient but it s still miles ahead of the most efficient ICE. (Long Range is EPA rated at 121 MPGe Performance is rated at 113 MPGe.) > Is the model three in general a trouble free car with little maintenance or future hiccups? As far as I ve seen yes. Maintenance is basically tire rotations and topping off windshield washer fluid. > What do you dislike about your car? What could have been done better? And what is a major inconvenience? My least favorite part is the terrible paint quality. I have a used 2018 Model 3 and there are numerous spots of dust dirt trapped *under* the clear coat. I believe it s better on the new(er) cars but Tesla s paint is still soft (bad) AFAIK. > What is the average annual percentage rate people are paying? Is it possible to get less than 2.49% as advertised? I financed at a local bank and got 1.99%. As with most rates it s YMMV. Shop around and even just ask Tesla if they can get you a lower rate. I can t really comment on rebates incentives for California as I m not familiar with what they currently offer. | 39 | 6 | 8,570 |
nrx9zc | 46 | Lifetime BMW owner making the switch please educate me! As the title reads I have owned nothing but BMWs for my entire life end I am finally ready to make the switch to all the electric. Before somebody mentions it I had the luck of never having issues with my cars as I only purchased M models and luckily they had no issues in 8 years of ownership. I decided to make the switch as I am interested in putting my money and focus in different opportunities and I would love to do my part to reduce emissions. More than likely I am going to be purchasing the model three performance. I did test drive it overnight and it was incredible of course there are some features that I dislike and some that I really like but that s with every car. For those of you who have experience with these vehicles I would really like to receive your input about the long-term ownership and any drawbacks of general tesla ownership. Are there any reasons not to get the performance model other than the financial reasons? Is the model three in general a trouble free car with little maintenance or future hiccups? What do you dislike about your car? What could have been done better? And what is a major inconvenience? What is the average annual percentage rate people are paying? Is it possible to get less than 2.49% as advertised? Lastly if anybody has the information what are all and any benefits (Rebate credits) I could receive regardless of qualification in the state of California? I want to think anybody who takes the time to read and respond to this in advance. Hopefully I can soon join the Tesla community | Get a 240v charger at home super convenient. Also if you can get a charger at work makes going into the office more enjoyable to mooch a free tank of electrons. Low maintenance is incredible and driving it is very low-stress and thrilling at the same time. Definitely costs less to run than the comparable bimmer (depreciation is way less) It s not quite at the level of polish and plushness of the bimmer but its simple pure and you don t get gouged on parts options (Aside from FSD) or chintyz sales leasing... | I ve had mine 9 months. 31000 km. Driven almost the entire eastern seaboard of australia (Brisbane down to VIC) and heaps in between with 2 young kids wife with roof racks and a roof pod. If you want message me and we can have a chat about whatever you want. | 39 | 7 | 8,571 |
ns7t9p | 186 | You aren t being downvoted because we re rude... You re being downvoted because you re posting simple questions outside of the [Daily Discussion](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ns1gbh daily_discussion_question_and_answer_experiences) Megathread. This community has become large very quickly and as such we are seeing an influx of new traffic. Many are new owners which is wonderful! If you re a new owner welcome to the club and to the sub and I hope you re enjoying your car. These machines are very new to most people and most new owners are first-time EV buyers so questions aren t at all uncommon or inappropriate. That being said not every single question requires its own post. These types of posts are becoming even more frequent and I imagine the mods are working overtime to remove them. Please understand that nobody is angry at you for asking a legitimate question but there is a wealth of information online both from Tesla s own support website and from this sub s [Resources Gigathread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments cdxuwh gigathread_of_resources ) that can answer a tremendous number of basic questions about the vehicle and about ownership. If you do have a question you can t seem to find the answer to please put it in the daily discussion thread so we can use this sub as intended: for news and discussion on Tesla and its interests. TL DR: Questions on ownership and vehicle operation go in the Daily Discussion Megathread not in their own posts. Edit: I really appreciate the thoughtful discussion below. Thank you all for being polite to one another. I can certainly agree that sometimes people are downvoted because there s some prejudice against non-experts (as there is in every community) and that more robust support from Tesla itself would likely prevent a lot of the questions we see here. This post is directed moreso at those who make an individual post asking * Are the delivery timelines in the account accurate? * and proceed to become upset when multiple people in the comments tell them that this question has been asked 10 times in the last week and they should ve searched the sub before asking. | This problem is quite interesting. It s not unique to this sub or even to reddit. Year over year it seems like people young and old though more young are less and less inclined to do their own research and critical thinking. Yesterday there was a post that had “please educate me” in the title. It s an emblematic example of the issue. Many people feel like it s someone else s responsibility to bestow them with knowledge. Now the OP of that post probably wasn t consciously thinking “I m above searching for answers.” In their mind posting on reddit was searching for answers. And there is some truth to that. My point is I unfortunately don t think this is a problem that reddit or the r TeslaMotors sub can solve. It s a cultural problem that has seeds way deeper than we can explore here. Best just to use the mitigations in place (daily question thread reporting etc.) and be thankful the problem isn t worse. Edit: Spelling | Well said. Here s my explanation that I use when I have to moderate someone s post. **TECHNICAL SUPPORT SERVICE SUPPORT AND R TESLAMOTORS** R Teslamotors is not an official Tesla subreddit. The mods do not have any special influence with Tesla and there is no proof that Tesla management routinely reads this sub. If you re posting here hoping for visibility or to spread awareness this isn t a very good way to do that. We understand that using this sub as a way to vent your frustration or crowdsource tech support seems faster & more convenient than working with a Tesla technician but this behavior *at scale* degrades the quality of the sub. In the end Reddit can t fix your car or refund your money. We re very sorry you re having a bad time but there just isn t much we can do. If you really *need* for our 1.2+ million subscribers to weigh-in on your issue you can make a post in our Daily Q& A thread with your questions and concerns. Be sure to include anything you ve already tried and what Tesla said when you contacted them about the issue. If you haven t yet heard from Tesla on it it s probably a good idea to wait until you have their information to post. Once you have that together post it on the Q& A thread and we ll take a look. We also have [troubleshooting resources](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki support) you should check. You might be surprised how many questions and issues are covered there. | 36 | 7 | 8,572 |
ns9d30 | 89 | WSJ: SEC has limited options to regulate Elon Musk - a recap and (hopefully lasting) conclusion to this controversy Article here (June 2 2021): https: www.wsj.com articles sec-is-running-out-of-options-to-rein-in-elon-musk-11622670845 Non-paywall version here: https: archive.is VvBY9 This is important for Tesla because any further action in terms of limiting Musk s power at Tesla may have an adverse effect on the stock and future of the company. I ve always been a little wary of the SEC holding a grudge against Elon or even Tesla as a whole so this comes as good news to me. As a recap the SEC had previously tried to limit Elon Musk in his tweeting powers due to that infamous 420 tweet. Musk fought and half-won against the SEC with the judge saying they should both act like adults and sort out the argument between themselves. As a result of that adjudication the SEC has said that any tweets by Musk which may affect the financials of the stock price should be filtered by an independent group of people first before being let loose on the world. Elon has been complying. Sort of. As we can expect with someone of Elon s audaciousness and (what I consider to be) the SEC s eternal chip on their shoulder against the guy the friction between them hasn t subsided much. From the article: > The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that SEC officials wrote Tesla twice in 2019 and 2020 arguing that some of Mr. Musk s tweets should have undergone the required oversight. Tesla disagreed telling the SEC that his messages weren t within the scope of the agreement. It continues: > Regulators say Tesla never followed through with oversight while Mr. Musk has continued to tweet in a way that the SEC saw as violating the court-ordered policy The article then goes on to explain the SEC s reservation with further penalizing Elon: > “***Because Elon is so intertwined with this company any serious enforcement action against Musk has the potential to harm the company and shareholders ***” said David Rosenfeld a former SEC official now teaching law at Northern Illinois University. “***It could end up being counterproductive. Musk has been poking the bear because he knows he can get away with it.***” As a result the SEC have sort of given up trying to even contact and warn Tesla Musk for fear it may make them look weak if Tesla continues to ignore such requests. I quote from the article: > Given their hesitancy to litigate regulators have few options left. Senior SEC officials decided last year to stop writing to the company convinced it wasn t working and made the agency look powerless according to a person familiar with the matter. Hopefully this is the last we ll hear on the matter! (WSJ story originally found from yarrrrrrrrrr drama). | Where s the SEC s gusto with Robinhood? With Nikola Motors? With *half* of the shady shit that goes on in the upper echelons of investing? Musk ain t no saint half of the time but the SEC is a toothless corrupt useless waste of resources for retail investors. F\\*\\*\\* right off. | Lmao Elon more powerful then the SEC. Elon know that without any PR department at Tesla he is untouchable. | 127 | 7 | 8,573 |
ns9d30 | 89 | WSJ: SEC has limited options to regulate Elon Musk - a recap and (hopefully lasting) conclusion to this controversy Article here (June 2 2021): https: www.wsj.com articles sec-is-running-out-of-options-to-rein-in-elon-musk-11622670845 Non-paywall version here: https: archive.is VvBY9 This is important for Tesla because any further action in terms of limiting Musk s power at Tesla may have an adverse effect on the stock and future of the company. I ve always been a little wary of the SEC holding a grudge against Elon or even Tesla as a whole so this comes as good news to me. As a recap the SEC had previously tried to limit Elon Musk in his tweeting powers due to that infamous 420 tweet. Musk fought and half-won against the SEC with the judge saying they should both act like adults and sort out the argument between themselves. As a result of that adjudication the SEC has said that any tweets by Musk which may affect the financials of the stock price should be filtered by an independent group of people first before being let loose on the world. Elon has been complying. Sort of. As we can expect with someone of Elon s audaciousness and (what I consider to be) the SEC s eternal chip on their shoulder against the guy the friction between them hasn t subsided much. From the article: > The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that SEC officials wrote Tesla twice in 2019 and 2020 arguing that some of Mr. Musk s tweets should have undergone the required oversight. Tesla disagreed telling the SEC that his messages weren t within the scope of the agreement. It continues: > Regulators say Tesla never followed through with oversight while Mr. Musk has continued to tweet in a way that the SEC saw as violating the court-ordered policy The article then goes on to explain the SEC s reservation with further penalizing Elon: > “***Because Elon is so intertwined with this company any serious enforcement action against Musk has the potential to harm the company and shareholders ***” said David Rosenfeld a former SEC official now teaching law at Northern Illinois University. “***It could end up being counterproductive. Musk has been poking the bear because he knows he can get away with it.***” As a result the SEC have sort of given up trying to even contact and warn Tesla Musk for fear it may make them look weak if Tesla continues to ignore such requests. I quote from the article: > Given their hesitancy to litigate regulators have few options left. Senior SEC officials decided last year to stop writing to the company convinced it wasn t working and made the agency look powerless according to a person familiar with the matter. Hopefully this is the last we ll hear on the matter! (WSJ story originally found from yarrrrrrrrrr drama). | Where s the SEC s gusto with Robinhood? With Nikola Motors? With *half* of the shady shit that goes on in the upper echelons of investing? Musk ain t no saint half of the time but the SEC is a toothless corrupt useless waste of resources for retail investors. F\\*\\*\\* right off. | As someone who has been in a number of different regulated businesses I think you are reading this wrong perhaps. What the SEC is saying is that their normal methods of dealing with things aren t working so they have stopped doing them. You are reading this as therefore they aren t going to do anything . An alternate interpretation though is that they might do something BIG. Regulators don t normally want to bring the hammer down they just want you to comply. What happens if you don t comply? The general nature of regulators is that they don t like it when you tell them to piss off which is what Elon has done. Anyways you can bet that the regulators will seize on any possible opportunity to screw Elon over. Tesla had better be squeaky clean on it s accounting because if not the SEC will come down on Tesla like a ton of bricks. | 127 | 32 | 8,574 |
ns9d30 | 89 | WSJ: SEC has limited options to regulate Elon Musk - a recap and (hopefully lasting) conclusion to this controversy Article here (June 2 2021): https: www.wsj.com articles sec-is-running-out-of-options-to-rein-in-elon-musk-11622670845 Non-paywall version here: https: archive.is VvBY9 This is important for Tesla because any further action in terms of limiting Musk s power at Tesla may have an adverse effect on the stock and future of the company. I ve always been a little wary of the SEC holding a grudge against Elon or even Tesla as a whole so this comes as good news to me. As a recap the SEC had previously tried to limit Elon Musk in his tweeting powers due to that infamous 420 tweet. Musk fought and half-won against the SEC with the judge saying they should both act like adults and sort out the argument between themselves. As a result of that adjudication the SEC has said that any tweets by Musk which may affect the financials of the stock price should be filtered by an independent group of people first before being let loose on the world. Elon has been complying. Sort of. As we can expect with someone of Elon s audaciousness and (what I consider to be) the SEC s eternal chip on their shoulder against the guy the friction between them hasn t subsided much. From the article: > The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that SEC officials wrote Tesla twice in 2019 and 2020 arguing that some of Mr. Musk s tweets should have undergone the required oversight. Tesla disagreed telling the SEC that his messages weren t within the scope of the agreement. It continues: > Regulators say Tesla never followed through with oversight while Mr. Musk has continued to tweet in a way that the SEC saw as violating the court-ordered policy The article then goes on to explain the SEC s reservation with further penalizing Elon: > “***Because Elon is so intertwined with this company any serious enforcement action against Musk has the potential to harm the company and shareholders ***” said David Rosenfeld a former SEC official now teaching law at Northern Illinois University. “***It could end up being counterproductive. Musk has been poking the bear because he knows he can get away with it.***” As a result the SEC have sort of given up trying to even contact and warn Tesla Musk for fear it may make them look weak if Tesla continues to ignore such requests. I quote from the article: > Given their hesitancy to litigate regulators have few options left. Senior SEC officials decided last year to stop writing to the company convinced it wasn t working and made the agency look powerless according to a person familiar with the matter. Hopefully this is the last we ll hear on the matter! (WSJ story originally found from yarrrrrrrrrr drama). | Where s the SEC s gusto with Robinhood? With Nikola Motors? With *half* of the shady shit that goes on in the upper echelons of investing? Musk ain t no saint half of the time but the SEC is a toothless corrupt useless waste of resources for retail investors. F\\*\\*\\* right off. | Unpopular opinion at least around these parts: Somebody has to get him under control one way or another. He shamelessly slings BS and fantasy on his twitter account to build up FOMO and pump the stock and consistently fails to deliver on major things that have already been priced into the stock. The longer this nonsense with FSD in particular goes on the more dire the harvest will be when it comes time to reap the whirlwind and on top of that the customer service and communications are a disaster PLUS all the stuff going on with solar roof bait and switch. | 127 | 54 | 8,575 |
ns9w1i | 22 | MCU 2 upgrade - does that get you a new touchscreen I m getting a MCU 2 upgrade for a 2017 Model S (AP2.0). The service center is not being very clear with me about whether they replace the screen itself. For anyone who has completed the upgrade what s been your experience? | You get a new touch screen and the screen behind the steering wheel is also replaced. | Yes | 30 | 2 | 8,576 |
ns9w1i | 22 | MCU 2 upgrade - does that get you a new touchscreen I m getting a MCU 2 upgrade for a 2017 Model S (AP2.0). The service center is not being very clear with me about whether they replace the screen itself. For anyone who has completed the upgrade what s been your experience? | You get a new touch screen and the screen behind the steering wheel is also replaced. | Is the screen behind the steering wheel also changed? | 30 | 2 | 8,577 |
nsdi2r | 324 | Tesla meets Android Auto OK this is very very early stage and I m not sure how will development go because I m pretty much overloaded with AAWireless at the moment but this is happening :) Few things to clarify: 1. this is just the very first mock up so I still need to do plenty of work to make it scale properly and fix other issues. 2. It does work while driving :) (but I cannot film and drive and do all of them at the same time) 3. Need to check if I can tap into the cars GPS... or will be forced to use phone GPS only 4. Web-browser does not have access to the mic this means a challenge for OK Google and voice commands need to do further investigation on how to go around this.... 5. Multi-touch will most probably won t be supported. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it d5co46odva371.jpg?width=3840& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=3828f40f18e3bb63ecaec44d483d8e2da884e0b3 https: preview.redd.it 5tp7h5odva371.jpg?width=3840& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=68b73716ec8bdd223533b396be7e6bcfe3dbdd28 **Edit - Corrected scaling :)** & #x200B https: preview.redd.it s2msrolsmb371.jpg?width=3840& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=6e80a72a292df339eec536142eee9cbcfb72a4ae **Edit 2 at 2:00 AM:** [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=HGeoWXG7hn4](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=HGeoWXG7hn4) | Multitouch *might* work if you use the HTML canvas element. It looks like you re running a server on the Android device and connecting to that server through a hotspot. Do have this on a public Git repository by chance? I d love to take a look at it. | I ve been playing around with the idea of doing this. Just getting maps ABRP and an interface for music apps (that stream via bluetooth) would be big wins. | 39 | 5 | 8,578 |
nsdi2r | 324 | Tesla meets Android Auto OK this is very very early stage and I m not sure how will development go because I m pretty much overloaded with AAWireless at the moment but this is happening :) Few things to clarify: 1. this is just the very first mock up so I still need to do plenty of work to make it scale properly and fix other issues. 2. It does work while driving :) (but I cannot film and drive and do all of them at the same time) 3. Need to check if I can tap into the cars GPS... or will be forced to use phone GPS only 4. Web-browser does not have access to the mic this means a challenge for OK Google and voice commands need to do further investigation on how to go around this.... 5. Multi-touch will most probably won t be supported. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it d5co46odva371.jpg?width=3840& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=3828f40f18e3bb63ecaec44d483d8e2da884e0b3 https: preview.redd.it 5tp7h5odva371.jpg?width=3840& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=68b73716ec8bdd223533b396be7e6bcfe3dbdd28 **Edit - Corrected scaling :)** & #x200B https: preview.redd.it s2msrolsmb371.jpg?width=3840& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=6e80a72a292df339eec536142eee9cbcfb72a4ae **Edit 2 at 2:00 AM:** [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=HGeoWXG7hn4](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=HGeoWXG7hn4) | Multitouch *might* work if you use the HTML canvas element. It looks like you re running a server on the Android device and connecting to that server through a hotspot. Do have this on a public Git repository by chance? I d love to take a look at it. | Dude this is sick! I guess the car needs to have wifi on and it connects to a local endpoint that is exposed by the app running on your Android device? | 39 | 5 | 8,579 |
nsdi2r | 324 | Tesla meets Android Auto OK this is very very early stage and I m not sure how will development go because I m pretty much overloaded with AAWireless at the moment but this is happening :) Few things to clarify: 1. this is just the very first mock up so I still need to do plenty of work to make it scale properly and fix other issues. 2. It does work while driving :) (but I cannot film and drive and do all of them at the same time) 3. Need to check if I can tap into the cars GPS... or will be forced to use phone GPS only 4. Web-browser does not have access to the mic this means a challenge for OK Google and voice commands need to do further investigation on how to go around this.... 5. Multi-touch will most probably won t be supported. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it d5co46odva371.jpg?width=3840& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=3828f40f18e3bb63ecaec44d483d8e2da884e0b3 https: preview.redd.it 5tp7h5odva371.jpg?width=3840& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=68b73716ec8bdd223533b396be7e6bcfe3dbdd28 **Edit - Corrected scaling :)** & #x200B https: preview.redd.it s2msrolsmb371.jpg?width=3840& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=6e80a72a292df339eec536142eee9cbcfb72a4ae **Edit 2 at 2:00 AM:** [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=HGeoWXG7hn4](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=HGeoWXG7hn4) | Multitouch *might* work if you use the HTML canvas element. It looks like you re running a server on the Android device and connecting to that server through a hotspot. Do have this on a public Git repository by chance? I d love to take a look at it. | What do we need to get this up and running? | 39 | 6 | 8,580 |
nt2qkb | 1,816 | I ve been doing some more reverse engineering again and here s what s next for the Tesla App Tesla Insurance and the FSD subscription. Hi there. I m u Callump01. I get bored from time to time and love to reverse engineer stuff and recently I posted some details [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments iw6z9r did_some_reverse_engineering_on_the_app_and_tesla ) that officially confirmed an FSD subscription was in the works which was then widely covered on [Teslarati](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-fsd-subscription-mobile-app-leak ) [Tesmanian](https: www.tesmanian.com blogs tesmanian-blog fsd-subscription) [Fr24 News](https: www.fr24news.com a 2020 09 tesla-prepares-to-launch-full-self-driving-subscription-sets-deadline-for-enhanced-autopilot.html) [Electek](https: electrek.co 2020 09 20 tesla-full-self-driving-subscription-deadline-enhanced-autopilot ) and a bunch of other news sites. The original post was validated by the moderation team shortly after posting so I hope this lends some credibility to the below updates that I ve found and will be talking about here. # Tesla App Updates - Tesla Insurance Safety Ratings & Simulator * **Tesla is implementing insurance directly into the app** and it will have its own section for you to view your insurance details. * **There will be a new Safety Ratings section of the app** an early image of which can be found [here](https: i.imgur.com Dziq8yn.png) however this doesn t show you much as it currently does not function for multiple reasons and I couldn t get it to load no matter what I tried. There are many other indicators that tell me that this is still early in development. * The safety rating page will track your vehicle and is linked directly to your insurance. It will show the number of hours you ve driven how often you use AutoPilot ABS events forward collision warnings autosteer strikeouts accelerator variance and many other metrics on both a per-trip and monthly basis which you ll be able to see in a neat graphical interface. You are given a pass or fail rating (though it is unclear whether that rating will be visible to the end user) and from what I can tell appears to be exclusive to HW2 and above and software version 2021.4.12 is required. * **There will be a new Simulator section under Tesla Insurance**. The simulator will allow you to adjust factors below to see how they impact your Safety Rating. Estimated Premium is calculated on a per vehicle basis using the coverages and limits of your current policy. * Factors which affect your premium titles and tooltips: 1. ***ABS Activation*** *- Number of times ABS is activated* 2. ***Hours Driven*** *- Average daily driving time* 3. ***Forced Autopilot Disengagements*** *- Number of times Autopilot is disabled due to ignored alerts* 4. ***Forward Collision Warnings*** *- Number of times car detects a potential forward collision* 5. ***Unsafe Following Time*** *- Portion of time spent at an unsafe following distance* 6. ***Intensity of Acceleration and Braking*** *- Speed variance due to extreme acceleration and braking. Shown on a scale from 0-10 as measured against Tesla s internal fleet.* * Performance indicators are based on an average for that factor. The more factors you get into the green the more you ll save on your premium. Your actual premium will not change more than 50% in a month based on your driving behavior. # FSD Subscription * **Significantly** more work has been completed around in-app subscriptions. It looks very near completion with the cart system now finished off and they have added some bits around the payment processor. This looks very very close to release with finishing touches now being applied. * It looks like **you ll be able to refund a subscription within a set timeframe** much like you can with upgrades and you ll be prompted to provide feedback on why you re doing so to the team - it s important to know that this is a *request * however. * There will be a weekend mode and travel mode - no further details on what this actually is. * **The only option codes currently listed for subscriptions are $APF2 (FSD Activated) and $CPF1 (Premium Connectivity)** so at the moment it doesn t look like you ll be able to Buy now pay later for any other upgrades such as acceleration boost or enhanced AutoPilot. * **Billing periods are ONLY rolling monthly at the moment.** There does appear to be sections of code that does reference setting up billing periods though and I have received a separate report from a source elsewhere that you ll be able to subscribe to FSD for much longer and shorter periods (one week one month six months etc) * **There will be a fancy new subscriptions page** that lets you toggle auto-renewal updating billing address details download PDF invoices etc though this is kind of obvious. * S**omething about adding a spending limit to your card**... not sure what this is about but it s the first that I ve seen it. Is this existing functionality anywhere at all? Does make me wonder if Tesla would ever be planning to charge FSD on a per-mile basis as this section is inside the FSD subscription page and doesn t appear to be related to supercharging. I d like to make it clear that **this is a complete guess on my part and no evidence supports FSD being billed on a per-mile basis** although I can t see why spending limits would be there otherwise. It is likely that I ll have more specific details around FSD subscriptions shortly and I ll post an update on Reddit and Twitter once I have. Hope that was interesting! | Accelerator variance Tesla insurance will not be for me then... | Thank you for these information ! I have general questions regarding Tesla insurance: \\-Is it available in Canada ? I can t find any information about that. \\-Putting aside the premium is it any better than any other insurance company ? I heard about Tesla customer service so I don t know what to think about that (I read several posts complaining about Tesla insurance being non responsive at all). | 491 | 2 | 8,581 |
nt2qkb | 1,816 | I ve been doing some more reverse engineering again and here s what s next for the Tesla App Tesla Insurance and the FSD subscription. Hi there. I m u Callump01. I get bored from time to time and love to reverse engineer stuff and recently I posted some details [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments iw6z9r did_some_reverse_engineering_on_the_app_and_tesla ) that officially confirmed an FSD subscription was in the works which was then widely covered on [Teslarati](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-fsd-subscription-mobile-app-leak ) [Tesmanian](https: www.tesmanian.com blogs tesmanian-blog fsd-subscription) [Fr24 News](https: www.fr24news.com a 2020 09 tesla-prepares-to-launch-full-self-driving-subscription-sets-deadline-for-enhanced-autopilot.html) [Electek](https: electrek.co 2020 09 20 tesla-full-self-driving-subscription-deadline-enhanced-autopilot ) and a bunch of other news sites. The original post was validated by the moderation team shortly after posting so I hope this lends some credibility to the below updates that I ve found and will be talking about here. # Tesla App Updates - Tesla Insurance Safety Ratings & Simulator * **Tesla is implementing insurance directly into the app** and it will have its own section for you to view your insurance details. * **There will be a new Safety Ratings section of the app** an early image of which can be found [here](https: i.imgur.com Dziq8yn.png) however this doesn t show you much as it currently does not function for multiple reasons and I couldn t get it to load no matter what I tried. There are many other indicators that tell me that this is still early in development. * The safety rating page will track your vehicle and is linked directly to your insurance. It will show the number of hours you ve driven how often you use AutoPilot ABS events forward collision warnings autosteer strikeouts accelerator variance and many other metrics on both a per-trip and monthly basis which you ll be able to see in a neat graphical interface. You are given a pass or fail rating (though it is unclear whether that rating will be visible to the end user) and from what I can tell appears to be exclusive to HW2 and above and software version 2021.4.12 is required. * **There will be a new Simulator section under Tesla Insurance**. The simulator will allow you to adjust factors below to see how they impact your Safety Rating. Estimated Premium is calculated on a per vehicle basis using the coverages and limits of your current policy. * Factors which affect your premium titles and tooltips: 1. ***ABS Activation*** *- Number of times ABS is activated* 2. ***Hours Driven*** *- Average daily driving time* 3. ***Forced Autopilot Disengagements*** *- Number of times Autopilot is disabled due to ignored alerts* 4. ***Forward Collision Warnings*** *- Number of times car detects a potential forward collision* 5. ***Unsafe Following Time*** *- Portion of time spent at an unsafe following distance* 6. ***Intensity of Acceleration and Braking*** *- Speed variance due to extreme acceleration and braking. Shown on a scale from 0-10 as measured against Tesla s internal fleet.* * Performance indicators are based on an average for that factor. The more factors you get into the green the more you ll save on your premium. Your actual premium will not change more than 50% in a month based on your driving behavior. # FSD Subscription * **Significantly** more work has been completed around in-app subscriptions. It looks very near completion with the cart system now finished off and they have added some bits around the payment processor. This looks very very close to release with finishing touches now being applied. * It looks like **you ll be able to refund a subscription within a set timeframe** much like you can with upgrades and you ll be prompted to provide feedback on why you re doing so to the team - it s important to know that this is a *request * however. * There will be a weekend mode and travel mode - no further details on what this actually is. * **The only option codes currently listed for subscriptions are $APF2 (FSD Activated) and $CPF1 (Premium Connectivity)** so at the moment it doesn t look like you ll be able to Buy now pay later for any other upgrades such as acceleration boost or enhanced AutoPilot. * **Billing periods are ONLY rolling monthly at the moment.** There does appear to be sections of code that does reference setting up billing periods though and I have received a separate report from a source elsewhere that you ll be able to subscribe to FSD for much longer and shorter periods (one week one month six months etc) * **There will be a fancy new subscriptions page** that lets you toggle auto-renewal updating billing address details download PDF invoices etc though this is kind of obvious. * S**omething about adding a spending limit to your card**... not sure what this is about but it s the first that I ve seen it. Is this existing functionality anywhere at all? Does make me wonder if Tesla would ever be planning to charge FSD on a per-mile basis as this section is inside the FSD subscription page and doesn t appear to be related to supercharging. I d like to make it clear that **this is a complete guess on my part and no evidence supports FSD being billed on a per-mile basis** although I can t see why spending limits would be there otherwise. It is likely that I ll have more specific details around FSD subscriptions shortly and I ll post an update on Reddit and Twitter once I have. Hope that was interesting! | Accelerator variance Tesla insurance will not be for me then... | I wonder how will the FSD subscription work for older model 3s without the basic autopilot upgrade? | 491 | 5 | 8,582 |
nt2qkb | 1,816 | I ve been doing some more reverse engineering again and here s what s next for the Tesla App Tesla Insurance and the FSD subscription. Hi there. I m u Callump01. I get bored from time to time and love to reverse engineer stuff and recently I posted some details [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments iw6z9r did_some_reverse_engineering_on_the_app_and_tesla ) that officially confirmed an FSD subscription was in the works which was then widely covered on [Teslarati](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-fsd-subscription-mobile-app-leak ) [Tesmanian](https: www.tesmanian.com blogs tesmanian-blog fsd-subscription) [Fr24 News](https: www.fr24news.com a 2020 09 tesla-prepares-to-launch-full-self-driving-subscription-sets-deadline-for-enhanced-autopilot.html) [Electek](https: electrek.co 2020 09 20 tesla-full-self-driving-subscription-deadline-enhanced-autopilot ) and a bunch of other news sites. The original post was validated by the moderation team shortly after posting so I hope this lends some credibility to the below updates that I ve found and will be talking about here. # Tesla App Updates - Tesla Insurance Safety Ratings & Simulator * **Tesla is implementing insurance directly into the app** and it will have its own section for you to view your insurance details. * **There will be a new Safety Ratings section of the app** an early image of which can be found [here](https: i.imgur.com Dziq8yn.png) however this doesn t show you much as it currently does not function for multiple reasons and I couldn t get it to load no matter what I tried. There are many other indicators that tell me that this is still early in development. * The safety rating page will track your vehicle and is linked directly to your insurance. It will show the number of hours you ve driven how often you use AutoPilot ABS events forward collision warnings autosteer strikeouts accelerator variance and many other metrics on both a per-trip and monthly basis which you ll be able to see in a neat graphical interface. You are given a pass or fail rating (though it is unclear whether that rating will be visible to the end user) and from what I can tell appears to be exclusive to HW2 and above and software version 2021.4.12 is required. * **There will be a new Simulator section under Tesla Insurance**. The simulator will allow you to adjust factors below to see how they impact your Safety Rating. Estimated Premium is calculated on a per vehicle basis using the coverages and limits of your current policy. * Factors which affect your premium titles and tooltips: 1. ***ABS Activation*** *- Number of times ABS is activated* 2. ***Hours Driven*** *- Average daily driving time* 3. ***Forced Autopilot Disengagements*** *- Number of times Autopilot is disabled due to ignored alerts* 4. ***Forward Collision Warnings*** *- Number of times car detects a potential forward collision* 5. ***Unsafe Following Time*** *- Portion of time spent at an unsafe following distance* 6. ***Intensity of Acceleration and Braking*** *- Speed variance due to extreme acceleration and braking. Shown on a scale from 0-10 as measured against Tesla s internal fleet.* * Performance indicators are based on an average for that factor. The more factors you get into the green the more you ll save on your premium. Your actual premium will not change more than 50% in a month based on your driving behavior. # FSD Subscription * **Significantly** more work has been completed around in-app subscriptions. It looks very near completion with the cart system now finished off and they have added some bits around the payment processor. This looks very very close to release with finishing touches now being applied. * It looks like **you ll be able to refund a subscription within a set timeframe** much like you can with upgrades and you ll be prompted to provide feedback on why you re doing so to the team - it s important to know that this is a *request * however. * There will be a weekend mode and travel mode - no further details on what this actually is. * **The only option codes currently listed for subscriptions are $APF2 (FSD Activated) and $CPF1 (Premium Connectivity)** so at the moment it doesn t look like you ll be able to Buy now pay later for any other upgrades such as acceleration boost or enhanced AutoPilot. * **Billing periods are ONLY rolling monthly at the moment.** There does appear to be sections of code that does reference setting up billing periods though and I have received a separate report from a source elsewhere that you ll be able to subscribe to FSD for much longer and shorter periods (one week one month six months etc) * **There will be a fancy new subscriptions page** that lets you toggle auto-renewal updating billing address details download PDF invoices etc though this is kind of obvious. * S**omething about adding a spending limit to your card**... not sure what this is about but it s the first that I ve seen it. Is this existing functionality anywhere at all? Does make me wonder if Tesla would ever be planning to charge FSD on a per-mile basis as this section is inside the FSD subscription page and doesn t appear to be related to supercharging. I d like to make it clear that **this is a complete guess on my part and no evidence supports FSD being billed on a per-mile basis** although I can t see why spending limits would be there otherwise. It is likely that I ll have more specific details around FSD subscriptions shortly and I ll post an update on Reddit and Twitter once I have. Hope that was interesting! | Accelerator variance Tesla insurance will not be for me then... | Was there any indication of subscription pricing in there at all (for monthly)? I know that s the big question but obviously it s to be seen if it s monthly or potential per mile as your kinda seeing | 491 | 6 | 8,583 |
nt7c8v | 228 | Premium connectivity and sub par spotify bitrate I was shocked to learn that Spotify quality is limited to 96kbps even when paying for « premium connectivity » and « premium sound pack » for the car as well as having a paid Spotify premium account. Spotify and AM are rolling out HD and we can t even get the same quality I had when downloading mp3s on napster 20years ago. From what I understand everyone is using Bluetooth from their phone but that kinda defeats the purpose of having an integrated Spotify app in car if you need to choose between quality and convenience ? I just don t get it. Does anyone have any information of this changing in the near future ? | this annoys me too. I do have to say that you cant compare 96kbps with a modern codec vs what we had 20 years ago. I have some old 128kbps mp3s from the 2000s here and they sound aweful. the codec has come a long way. HOWEVER you CAN definetely hear that the sound quality is suffering compares to 320kbs mp3s with microdistortions dodgy highend and a slightly flat sound on many tracks. It s usually really obvious if you switch to usb. I think it is not excuseable when one pays 10 dollars month. Thats more than enough to cover unlimited data and spotify premium (Tesla buys these in bulk so they are gonna get a hefty hefty discount. They have like... what 2-3 million cars?). there should be an option to at least increase this to 256kbps imho. | Where did you read the bitrate? | 71 | 6 | 8,584 |
nt7c8v | 228 | Premium connectivity and sub par spotify bitrate I was shocked to learn that Spotify quality is limited to 96kbps even when paying for « premium connectivity » and « premium sound pack » for the car as well as having a paid Spotify premium account. Spotify and AM are rolling out HD and we can t even get the same quality I had when downloading mp3s on napster 20years ago. From what I understand everyone is using Bluetooth from their phone but that kinda defeats the purpose of having an integrated Spotify app in car if you need to choose between quality and convenience ? I just don t get it. Does anyone have any information of this changing in the near future ? | This needs more upvotes. If we re paying $20 a month for Spotify and PC then we should be getting 320kbps. | Shocked. Shocked I tell you. | 65 | 2 | 8,585 |
nt7c8v | 228 | Premium connectivity and sub par spotify bitrate I was shocked to learn that Spotify quality is limited to 96kbps even when paying for « premium connectivity » and « premium sound pack » for the car as well as having a paid Spotify premium account. Spotify and AM are rolling out HD and we can t even get the same quality I had when downloading mp3s on napster 20years ago. From what I understand everyone is using Bluetooth from their phone but that kinda defeats the purpose of having an integrated Spotify app in car if you need to choose between quality and convenience ? I just don t get it. Does anyone have any information of this changing in the near future ? | This needs more upvotes. If we re paying $20 a month for Spotify and PC then we should be getting 320kbps. | Where did you read the bitrate? | 65 | 6 | 8,586 |
ntzkvz | 243 | Went to get my Model Y today but things did not go well. I was super excited to pick up my Model Y today but unfortunately after today I don t know if I want to finalize the purchase. I knew that in the past quality control had been an issue so I was prepared to take my time and carefully check over the Y before taking delivery. I immediately discovered that neither of the driver side doors would close properly they required far too much force to seat. I found a small paint chip a fender corner by the headlight that was raised the Frunk inserts installed poorly and debris inside the Frunk and I saw what appeared to be several small alignment issues in the back. After examining the rear alignment I was told that my Model Y would need to go into the body shop to have the full hatch assembly realigned and I would be contacted again when it was repaired. We drove the 60 miles back home full of doubt. After today I have to believe that Tesla has chosen to sacrifice quality control in order to rush as many vehicles as possible into the marketplace no premium car brand should have these kinds of QC issues. Has anyone else had this kind of experience? Am I overreacting to growing pains overlooking the bigger picture the wonder of the Tesla experience? Right now I m thinking I ll stick with my 2008 Lexus 350ES and wait for Tesla to get its AC together. Please tell me I m wrong. & #x200B Please tell me this is okay. All for door corners were finished or better unfinished like this. [https: imgur.com Sy8aCqD](https: imgur.com Sy8aCqD) | You did the right thing. As long as people keep accepting sizable issues at delivery Tesla will remain incentivized to rush and do little to no QA. I think if you reject and get another Model Y now it will likely have no issues — I think we ve hit the point where a sizable chunk of cars made are rather well built. | Eh It s a hit or miss most of the time they are willing to address the issues after delivery. Sorry for the inconvenience. Mine had gaps but they fixed it within a appointment a few weeks later. | 242 | 11 | 8,587 |
ntzkvz | 243 | Went to get my Model Y today but things did not go well. I was super excited to pick up my Model Y today but unfortunately after today I don t know if I want to finalize the purchase. I knew that in the past quality control had been an issue so I was prepared to take my time and carefully check over the Y before taking delivery. I immediately discovered that neither of the driver side doors would close properly they required far too much force to seat. I found a small paint chip a fender corner by the headlight that was raised the Frunk inserts installed poorly and debris inside the Frunk and I saw what appeared to be several small alignment issues in the back. After examining the rear alignment I was told that my Model Y would need to go into the body shop to have the full hatch assembly realigned and I would be contacted again when it was repaired. We drove the 60 miles back home full of doubt. After today I have to believe that Tesla has chosen to sacrifice quality control in order to rush as many vehicles as possible into the marketplace no premium car brand should have these kinds of QC issues. Has anyone else had this kind of experience? Am I overreacting to growing pains overlooking the bigger picture the wonder of the Tesla experience? Right now I m thinking I ll stick with my 2008 Lexus 350ES and wait for Tesla to get its AC together. Please tell me I m wrong. & #x200B Please tell me this is okay. All for door corners were finished or better unfinished like this. [https: imgur.com Sy8aCqD](https: imgur.com Sy8aCqD) | You did the right thing. As long as people keep accepting sizable issues at delivery Tesla will remain incentivized to rush and do little to no QA. I think if you reject and get another Model Y now it will likely have no issues — I think we ve hit the point where a sizable chunk of cars made are rather well built. | I don t think you re overreacting to it. They have these issues and if you don t want the car don t get it. It sad that there s not enough push back for them to fix these issues. | 242 | 11 | 8,588 |
ntzkvz | 243 | Went to get my Model Y today but things did not go well. I was super excited to pick up my Model Y today but unfortunately after today I don t know if I want to finalize the purchase. I knew that in the past quality control had been an issue so I was prepared to take my time and carefully check over the Y before taking delivery. I immediately discovered that neither of the driver side doors would close properly they required far too much force to seat. I found a small paint chip a fender corner by the headlight that was raised the Frunk inserts installed poorly and debris inside the Frunk and I saw what appeared to be several small alignment issues in the back. After examining the rear alignment I was told that my Model Y would need to go into the body shop to have the full hatch assembly realigned and I would be contacted again when it was repaired. We drove the 60 miles back home full of doubt. After today I have to believe that Tesla has chosen to sacrifice quality control in order to rush as many vehicles as possible into the marketplace no premium car brand should have these kinds of QC issues. Has anyone else had this kind of experience? Am I overreacting to growing pains overlooking the bigger picture the wonder of the Tesla experience? Right now I m thinking I ll stick with my 2008 Lexus 350ES and wait for Tesla to get its AC together. Please tell me I m wrong. & #x200B Please tell me this is okay. All for door corners were finished or better unfinished like this. [https: imgur.com Sy8aCqD](https: imgur.com Sy8aCqD) | You did the right thing. As long as people keep accepting sizable issues at delivery Tesla will remain incentivized to rush and do little to no QA. I think if you reject and get another Model Y now it will likely have no issues — I think we ve hit the point where a sizable chunk of cars made are rather well built. | That sounds super frustrating. If I were in your shoes and I didn t need a car imminently I d refuse the vehicle and go back in the queue (which is frustrating itself but at least you wouldn t be hoping a car that you had issues with got sorted out). I ve only had my Y for a little bit but I had no fit or finish issues on delivery. | 242 | 13 | 8,589 |
numfy8 | 54 | Model 3 screen leaking goo So I looked all over but I couldn t find any posts google with screen leaking from a model 3. Other than the goo along the bottom of the screen I didn t notice any other issues with the screen. https: imgur.com ACfJeyj It was 75 degrees or so last week and there was a clear goo along the bottom of the screen. Opened a service request and they replaced my screen under warranty. 2018 Black VIN 20XXX. Per my service center this is the first time they ve ever seen this. This is the second issue my car has had that they ve never seen before. https: imgur.com e6EAfSJ Yes the car is dirty AF in the pic it s all clean now. | Someone is “jamming” your autopilot | Ectoplasm… you hit a ghost | 84 | 4 | 8,590 |
numfy8 | 54 | Model 3 screen leaking goo So I looked all over but I couldn t find any posts google with screen leaking from a model 3. Other than the goo along the bottom of the screen I didn t notice any other issues with the screen. https: imgur.com ACfJeyj It was 75 degrees or so last week and there was a clear goo along the bottom of the screen. Opened a service request and they replaced my screen under warranty. 2018 Black VIN 20XXX. Per my service center this is the first time they ve ever seen this. This is the second issue my car has had that they ve never seen before. https: imgur.com e6EAfSJ Yes the car is dirty AF in the pic it s all clean now. | Someone is “jamming” your autopilot | Do you use cabin overheat protection? | 84 | 8 | 8,591 |
numfy8 | 54 | Model 3 screen leaking goo So I looked all over but I couldn t find any posts google with screen leaking from a model 3. Other than the goo along the bottom of the screen I didn t notice any other issues with the screen. https: imgur.com ACfJeyj It was 75 degrees or so last week and there was a clear goo along the bottom of the screen. Opened a service request and they replaced my screen under warranty. 2018 Black VIN 20XXX. Per my service center this is the first time they ve ever seen this. This is the second issue my car has had that they ve never seen before. https: imgur.com e6EAfSJ Yes the car is dirty AF in the pic it s all clean now. | Someone is “jamming” your autopilot | I REALLY hope this doesn t become a *thing*. | 84 | 17 | 8,592 |
nupaen | 516 | Now that Plaid+ is cancelled can get 500-600 mile range in an LR+ trim please? I don t need the third motor. Hello I don t even really need dual motors. But I would LOVE a 600 mile range Tesla. Back in 2017 when we were deciding on an X we seriously considered the 75D. We eventually bit the bullet for the 100D and I am SO glad we did. A 100% charge was just shy of 300 miles but a typical 80-90% daily charge was close to 260. Add to that we would typically see a 25-30% hit from the estimated range and it really felt more like a \\~170-180 mile car. Even daily local usage would see the car s range drop below 200 miles and when you re looking at 1xx it feels like much of the time the car is closer to half-full than full. Given that I would gladly pay more for a bigger battery. Ideally an X or a Y with 500mi+ range would give true 300 mile real-world range competing with a typical ICE vehicle in the segment plus daily usage would be less wear and fewer cycles on the battery. Not to mention additional range at higher supercharging burst speed. I just feel like Tesla is very resistant to making an all out range-monster for whatever reason but I would love that so much more than an extra 0.1-2 seconds off the 0-60 time. | The real difference was that the plaid+ was going to use the new 4680 battery cells. Cancelling the plaid + means cancelling the model S version using them. That means one of two things 1) all future Tesla vehicle will migrate to 4680 which means a range boost for all the lines and they just don t wanna say it yet because they don t want to deter people from buying the current generation Plaid until the switch happens. 2) there is trouble implementing 4680 and that would be a disaster for Tesla future especially from an investor stock price stand point. | The problem is they aren t being pushed on range by other manufacturers. They mine as well keep pushing out minor range updates until they have a challenger. Sucks for the consumer but is good business | 226 | 2 | 8,593 |
nupaen | 516 | Now that Plaid+ is cancelled can get 500-600 mile range in an LR+ trim please? I don t need the third motor. Hello I don t even really need dual motors. But I would LOVE a 600 mile range Tesla. Back in 2017 when we were deciding on an X we seriously considered the 75D. We eventually bit the bullet for the 100D and I am SO glad we did. A 100% charge was just shy of 300 miles but a typical 80-90% daily charge was close to 260. Add to that we would typically see a 25-30% hit from the estimated range and it really felt more like a \\~170-180 mile car. Even daily local usage would see the car s range drop below 200 miles and when you re looking at 1xx it feels like much of the time the car is closer to half-full than full. Given that I would gladly pay more for a bigger battery. Ideally an X or a Y with 500mi+ range would give true 300 mile real-world range competing with a typical ICE vehicle in the segment plus daily usage would be less wear and fewer cycles on the battery. Not to mention additional range at higher supercharging burst speed. I just feel like Tesla is very resistant to making an all out range-monster for whatever reason but I would love that so much more than an extra 0.1-2 seconds off the 0-60 time. | The real difference was that the plaid+ was going to use the new 4680 battery cells. Cancelling the plaid + means cancelling the model S version using them. That means one of two things 1) all future Tesla vehicle will migrate to 4680 which means a range boost for all the lines and they just don t wanna say it yet because they don t want to deter people from buying the current generation Plaid until the switch happens. 2) there is trouble implementing 4680 and that would be a disaster for Tesla future especially from an investor stock price stand point. | keep in mind that the battery for 75 kwh weighs 1060 lbs probably a little less once the new cells come out. if you wanted 500-600 miles of range you d be looking at potentially a 2120 lbs battery which would make your car weigh over 5000 lbs. that would ultimately hurt efficiency handling safety (with current design) amongst others. battery density needs to increase a lot for this to comfortably happen | 226 | 4 | 8,594 |
nupaen | 516 | Now that Plaid+ is cancelled can get 500-600 mile range in an LR+ trim please? I don t need the third motor. Hello I don t even really need dual motors. But I would LOVE a 600 mile range Tesla. Back in 2017 when we were deciding on an X we seriously considered the 75D. We eventually bit the bullet for the 100D and I am SO glad we did. A 100% charge was just shy of 300 miles but a typical 80-90% daily charge was close to 260. Add to that we would typically see a 25-30% hit from the estimated range and it really felt more like a \\~170-180 mile car. Even daily local usage would see the car s range drop below 200 miles and when you re looking at 1xx it feels like much of the time the car is closer to half-full than full. Given that I would gladly pay more for a bigger battery. Ideally an X or a Y with 500mi+ range would give true 300 mile real-world range competing with a typical ICE vehicle in the segment plus daily usage would be less wear and fewer cycles on the battery. Not to mention additional range at higher supercharging burst speed. I just feel like Tesla is very resistant to making an all out range-monster for whatever reason but I would love that so much more than an extra 0.1-2 seconds off the 0-60 time. | The real difference was that the plaid+ was going to use the new 4680 battery cells. Cancelling the plaid + means cancelling the model S version using them. That means one of two things 1) all future Tesla vehicle will migrate to 4680 which means a range boost for all the lines and they just don t wanna say it yet because they don t want to deter people from buying the current generation Plaid until the switch happens. 2) there is trouble implementing 4680 and that would be a disaster for Tesla future especially from an investor stock price stand point. | The real reason they don t want to do the plaid+ is they don t want to rejigger the model S X to have structural batteries anytime soon. So they re not going to do it on a lower-profit vehicle instead. | 226 | 6 | 8,595 |
nuphud | 296 | I recreated V11 and visualized how apps could integrate into the OS In light of the upcoming V11 release I thought it would be fun to recreate it based on what s been going around while adding my own spin to it. I know that we should be getting this update in a few days but it was just a fun exercise for me and I m curious to see if I get anything right. Note that this UI exploration relies heavily on FSD capabilities and this specific version is only for the new Model S X since they also have the instrument cluster display. The overall schematics and idea could be translated to the Model 3 Y which is what I think Tesla will do with their release. I approached this exercise in a similar way as to how Apple does it on their iOS. With the implementation of Widgets they ve allowed apps to have different module sizes depending on the layout you choose. By doing this Tesla would concentrate on just a few proprietary apps and offload the rest to companies and developers. [Main Screen - Page 1](https: preview.redd.it t5ecs5g2rw371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=c8fea7e8f3270b149652e9e46ba4ea468840419c) This first screen follows very closely with what we ve seen before with a few tweaks of my own. * **Overall:** Customizable background colors to make your car more unique. The Tesla widgets have some translucency that make the overall experience easier on the eyes. * **Maps Widget (Small)** * **Music Player Widget (Medium):** Finished the playback controls since my version is using Spotify. * **Quick Control Widget (Small):** A quick way to easily interact with your most used controls. These would be customizable so you could select which ones to use. On their current version you have to tap the left dotted section to open the full controls panel. Although I think that still works sometimes having things be 1 tap away is better. * **Smart Widgets (Stackable):** The 3 bars mean this is widget with pagination so swiping up and down will show other widgets within this same container. & #x200B [Main Screen - Page 1 - App Drawer \\(Condensed\\)](https: preview.redd.it t5z8wkffww371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=693d45fed0596c57cd47d90430bd3711cc93eefd) Here is where the fun starts to happen. On the leaks we saw there was a bar at the top which means this is some type of pull down menu. For my exploration I thought this would be a great way to access the app drawer. * **App Drawer (Condensed):** This would reveal your most recently used apps or your most used depending on your settings. You would be able to scroll horizontally to see more within this category or you can do a stronger swipe down (similar to the music player on the current UI) to reveal the full library below. & #x200B [Main Screen - Page 1 - App Drawer \\(Expanded\\)](https: preview.redd.it uim8or44yw371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=7d28c28748cf5c2a171173a80055683bfc5ebae5) Here is the fully expanded app drawer. I decided to follow a card system that has large enough cards for any user to easily tap. * **Search:** To quickly search within your apps or add new ones. * **Edit Mode:** Allows you to easily remove and rearrange apps. You ll also be able to create your own categories and move apps those categories. * **Settings:** Access overall app settings such as auto updates default music player and preferred navigation app. * **Grid List View Toggle** * **Category Dropdown:** Allows you to expand the apps within that category so you don t have to scroll horizontally. * **To close:** Swipe up or click outside of the module. & #x200B [Main Screen - Page 2](https: preview.redd.it d2qb8efozw371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=12d0a7d55ade1a449ecb66e97ee2ff418661bbcc) Page 2 has a flipped layout with a new set of apps. It also has a new background color. * **Video Conference:** This could be Zoom Microsoft Teams Google Meets etc. Top left shows how the cabin camera would show up. * **Weather Widget (Small):** * Background would be moving and change depending on the current weather conditions. * Toggle Feature: You can toggle between seeing the weather at your home your current location or of your destination. * Wind: Show the wind speed and direction + which direction you are currently towards. * 5 Days of the week with the ability to click on each one to see more info (next image). * Air Quality + Precipitation Chance * **Music Widget (Small)** * Background would change depending on the cover art image. Note that I only did this for this small size because on the larger one it would be too jarring for it to take over the whole screen. It would also be too distracting to see the background change on a large size. * Shows songs coming up next so you can interact with them (next image) along with the ones that just played. & #x200B [Main Screen - Page 2 - Widget Interactions](https: preview.redd.it md300lpp1x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=867629dae740dd6ef8635b830a5a81666ae6ae79) [Main Screen - Page 2 - Adding widgets from app drawer](https: preview.redd.it 7xn3bbdw1x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=1b65c70912f2b2a7c305356ce187861b6c90a447) A long press on the app drawer would allow you to enter edit mode to be able to delete apps or drag them into your layout to replace current stacks or create a smart stack with multiple widgets. [Main Screen - Page 3 - Dark Mode](https: preview.redd.it 2uzryh472x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=ff6568ad25b152611fb3191acf5f3abc5aeafd28) Dark mode. This page is the same as the previous pages with the exception of it being in dark mode + the Robinhood widget to see your stonks go to the moon. & #x200B [Main Screen - Page 3 - Dark mode with condensed app drawer](https: preview.redd.it cs7e5z4p2x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=44b148f7e83b873d28377c5ab10075f0e5956a11) [Main Screen - Page 3 - Full dark mode app drawer](https: preview.redd.it qkea1uwx2x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=3738952316e3ba6cd59d36582bc5aabfdbb04378) [Main Screen - Page 4 - Plex App \\(Large\\)](https: preview.redd.it 1p2aoip23x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=a3cf259ea4c54d9d3ae0124719a6d8b2a834d2c4) & #x200B [Mockup 1](https: preview.redd.it 6z9in7sg4x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=32a73d26821e19eb7412505cd5a7d6f828abdd59) [Mockup 2](https: preview.redd.it uck996rk4x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=8f36d81c2c498b050dc4f5c76db10a190ec012fb) & #x200B Sorry for the long post but let me know if you guys have any feedback. I have a lot of other ideas for this but I might just wait for V11. | I really appreciate the time effort you took to create something purely to explore what it could be. We don t usually get posts like this. I m really curious to see what how if any of this translates to a 3 Y screen which offers limited real estate. I think you d want them as similar as possible to minimize the amount of UI programming differences... | Can t wait to see the real thing but this was a cool teaser. Nice work! | 80 | 13 | 8,596 |
nuphud | 296 | I recreated V11 and visualized how apps could integrate into the OS In light of the upcoming V11 release I thought it would be fun to recreate it based on what s been going around while adding my own spin to it. I know that we should be getting this update in a few days but it was just a fun exercise for me and I m curious to see if I get anything right. Note that this UI exploration relies heavily on FSD capabilities and this specific version is only for the new Model S X since they also have the instrument cluster display. The overall schematics and idea could be translated to the Model 3 Y which is what I think Tesla will do with their release. I approached this exercise in a similar way as to how Apple does it on their iOS. With the implementation of Widgets they ve allowed apps to have different module sizes depending on the layout you choose. By doing this Tesla would concentrate on just a few proprietary apps and offload the rest to companies and developers. [Main Screen - Page 1](https: preview.redd.it t5ecs5g2rw371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=c8fea7e8f3270b149652e9e46ba4ea468840419c) This first screen follows very closely with what we ve seen before with a few tweaks of my own. * **Overall:** Customizable background colors to make your car more unique. The Tesla widgets have some translucency that make the overall experience easier on the eyes. * **Maps Widget (Small)** * **Music Player Widget (Medium):** Finished the playback controls since my version is using Spotify. * **Quick Control Widget (Small):** A quick way to easily interact with your most used controls. These would be customizable so you could select which ones to use. On their current version you have to tap the left dotted section to open the full controls panel. Although I think that still works sometimes having things be 1 tap away is better. * **Smart Widgets (Stackable):** The 3 bars mean this is widget with pagination so swiping up and down will show other widgets within this same container. & #x200B [Main Screen - Page 1 - App Drawer \\(Condensed\\)](https: preview.redd.it t5z8wkffww371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=693d45fed0596c57cd47d90430bd3711cc93eefd) Here is where the fun starts to happen. On the leaks we saw there was a bar at the top which means this is some type of pull down menu. For my exploration I thought this would be a great way to access the app drawer. * **App Drawer (Condensed):** This would reveal your most recently used apps or your most used depending on your settings. You would be able to scroll horizontally to see more within this category or you can do a stronger swipe down (similar to the music player on the current UI) to reveal the full library below. & #x200B [Main Screen - Page 1 - App Drawer \\(Expanded\\)](https: preview.redd.it uim8or44yw371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=7d28c28748cf5c2a171173a80055683bfc5ebae5) Here is the fully expanded app drawer. I decided to follow a card system that has large enough cards for any user to easily tap. * **Search:** To quickly search within your apps or add new ones. * **Edit Mode:** Allows you to easily remove and rearrange apps. You ll also be able to create your own categories and move apps those categories. * **Settings:** Access overall app settings such as auto updates default music player and preferred navigation app. * **Grid List View Toggle** * **Category Dropdown:** Allows you to expand the apps within that category so you don t have to scroll horizontally. * **To close:** Swipe up or click outside of the module. & #x200B [Main Screen - Page 2](https: preview.redd.it d2qb8efozw371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=12d0a7d55ade1a449ecb66e97ee2ff418661bbcc) Page 2 has a flipped layout with a new set of apps. It also has a new background color. * **Video Conference:** This could be Zoom Microsoft Teams Google Meets etc. Top left shows how the cabin camera would show up. * **Weather Widget (Small):** * Background would be moving and change depending on the current weather conditions. * Toggle Feature: You can toggle between seeing the weather at your home your current location or of your destination. * Wind: Show the wind speed and direction + which direction you are currently towards. * 5 Days of the week with the ability to click on each one to see more info (next image). * Air Quality + Precipitation Chance * **Music Widget (Small)** * Background would change depending on the cover art image. Note that I only did this for this small size because on the larger one it would be too jarring for it to take over the whole screen. It would also be too distracting to see the background change on a large size. * Shows songs coming up next so you can interact with them (next image) along with the ones that just played. & #x200B [Main Screen - Page 2 - Widget Interactions](https: preview.redd.it md300lpp1x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=867629dae740dd6ef8635b830a5a81666ae6ae79) [Main Screen - Page 2 - Adding widgets from app drawer](https: preview.redd.it 7xn3bbdw1x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=1b65c70912f2b2a7c305356ce187861b6c90a447) A long press on the app drawer would allow you to enter edit mode to be able to delete apps or drag them into your layout to replace current stacks or create a smart stack with multiple widgets. [Main Screen - Page 3 - Dark Mode](https: preview.redd.it 2uzryh472x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=ff6568ad25b152611fb3191acf5f3abc5aeafd28) Dark mode. This page is the same as the previous pages with the exception of it being in dark mode + the Robinhood widget to see your stonks go to the moon. & #x200B [Main Screen - Page 3 - Dark mode with condensed app drawer](https: preview.redd.it cs7e5z4p2x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=44b148f7e83b873d28377c5ab10075f0e5956a11) [Main Screen - Page 3 - Full dark mode app drawer](https: preview.redd.it qkea1uwx2x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=3738952316e3ba6cd59d36582bc5aabfdbb04378) [Main Screen - Page 4 - Plex App \\(Large\\)](https: preview.redd.it 1p2aoip23x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=a3cf259ea4c54d9d3ae0124719a6d8b2a834d2c4) & #x200B [Mockup 1](https: preview.redd.it 6z9in7sg4x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=32a73d26821e19eb7412505cd5a7d6f828abdd59) [Mockup 2](https: preview.redd.it uck996rk4x371.png?width=4400& format=png& auto=webp& s=8f36d81c2c498b050dc4f5c76db10a190ec012fb) & #x200B Sorry for the long post but let me know if you guys have any feedback. I have a lot of other ideas for this but I might just wait for V11. | I really appreciate the time effort you took to create something purely to explore what it could be. We don t usually get posts like this. I m really curious to see what how if any of this translates to a 3 Y screen which offers limited real estate. I think you d want them as similar as possible to minimize the amount of UI programming differences... | Tbh if this was v11 I d be beyond happy it seems perfect. Hopefully on the 10th we find out more. | 80 | 31 | 8,597 |
nuyon9 | 76 | The cancellation of the Plaid Plus Model S is either really good news or really bad news. So with the cancellation of the Plaid Plus Model S it s seems logical that Tesla is either in a really good spot or at a cross roads. Teslas entire future is centered around the 4680 cells which have been in prototype production since the end of last year. We ve since learnt that the white prototype Semis driving around are using 2170L cells but the production models will also use 4680 packs and the cybertruck Model Y and the now cancelled S Plaid Plus also require the 4680 cells. With the German and Texas gigafactories designed solely to produce 4680 equipped cars Tesla are going to be in big trouble in 4680 testing and production has resulted in a product that doesn t meet projections. I ve heard a number of theories about what is going on some people have said that the Plaid plus hasn t been canceled but in fact the regular Plaid has been cancelled and the entire S line is moving to 4680 cells early. This would be the best case scenario but Musk s comments on twitter about a 400 mile range being sufficient are either a giant red herring or point towards continued used of 18650 cells (and the renewed 18650 supply contract from last year points to this). The fact that one of Musk s most trusted lieutenant Jerome Guillen has now left the company and he was in charge of the Semi program is also something to note. It could just be that engineering on the Semi is complete and he s completed his job but it could also be related to 4680 problems and Tesla s inability to deliver the product. If the 4680s were required for the long range version of the Semi and Tesla are unable to deliver on this maybe he doesn t want to be associated with a product that fails to live up to expectations. What is worrying is that if they have designed their two latest factories to solely use 4680 and both factories are destined to come online at the end of this year a delay in the 4680 structural pack could put the future of the company in jeopardy because you can t have mutli billion dollar factories sitting idle for months while Tesla works out the kinks. In a couple of days we ll find out about the new Model S and hopefully the status of the 4680 program but if there s a hint issues with the structural pack program it s something to really be concerned about. | The Plaid+ always seemed an odd choice to me given the specs and pricing would seem too close to the roadster. I do agree though that a delay in the 4680s could be part of the reason for axing the Plaid+ and Jerome leaving the trucking team. I think in general people are overly optimistic about how fast it will take to get the 4680 cells into mass production. During battery day comments from Tesla were actually quite cautious in terms of timelines. I wouldn t be surprised if it takes longer than those optimistic expectations. 2170 cells could be used to get cybertruck roadster and semi manufactured. Current prototypes most certainly use these cells. Roadster prototype is probably 18650 cells. Yes the 4680 cells have some improved energy density but not enough to fully account for the 500+ mile range variants. These vehicles could be made with large packs containing 2170s. 4680 cells will provide even more range but more importantly would save Tesla a lot on cost. | 4860 batteries are only about cost.(small weight advantage) 2870 batteries with tabless design would be better performance All batteries can have better performance capacity based on chemistry. Generally speaking | 36 | 2 | 8,598 |
nuyon9 | 76 | The cancellation of the Plaid Plus Model S is either really good news or really bad news. So with the cancellation of the Plaid Plus Model S it s seems logical that Tesla is either in a really good spot or at a cross roads. Teslas entire future is centered around the 4680 cells which have been in prototype production since the end of last year. We ve since learnt that the white prototype Semis driving around are using 2170L cells but the production models will also use 4680 packs and the cybertruck Model Y and the now cancelled S Plaid Plus also require the 4680 cells. With the German and Texas gigafactories designed solely to produce 4680 equipped cars Tesla are going to be in big trouble in 4680 testing and production has resulted in a product that doesn t meet projections. I ve heard a number of theories about what is going on some people have said that the Plaid plus hasn t been canceled but in fact the regular Plaid has been cancelled and the entire S line is moving to 4680 cells early. This would be the best case scenario but Musk s comments on twitter about a 400 mile range being sufficient are either a giant red herring or point towards continued used of 18650 cells (and the renewed 18650 supply contract from last year points to this). The fact that one of Musk s most trusted lieutenant Jerome Guillen has now left the company and he was in charge of the Semi program is also something to note. It could just be that engineering on the Semi is complete and he s completed his job but it could also be related to 4680 problems and Tesla s inability to deliver the product. If the 4680s were required for the long range version of the Semi and Tesla are unable to deliver on this maybe he doesn t want to be associated with a product that fails to live up to expectations. What is worrying is that if they have designed their two latest factories to solely use 4680 and both factories are destined to come online at the end of this year a delay in the 4680 structural pack could put the future of the company in jeopardy because you can t have mutli billion dollar factories sitting idle for months while Tesla works out the kinks. In a couple of days we ll find out about the new Model S and hopefully the status of the 4680 program but if there s a hint issues with the structural pack program it s something to really be concerned about. | The Plaid+ always seemed an odd choice to me given the specs and pricing would seem too close to the roadster. I do agree though that a delay in the 4680s could be part of the reason for axing the Plaid+ and Jerome leaving the trucking team. I think in general people are overly optimistic about how fast it will take to get the 4680 cells into mass production. During battery day comments from Tesla were actually quite cautious in terms of timelines. I wouldn t be surprised if it takes longer than those optimistic expectations. 2170 cells could be used to get cybertruck roadster and semi manufactured. Current prototypes most certainly use these cells. Roadster prototype is probably 18650 cells. Yes the 4680 cells have some improved energy density but not enough to fully account for the 500+ mile range variants. These vehicles could be made with large packs containing 2170s. 4680 cells will provide even more range but more importantly would save Tesla a lot on cost. | Well I learnt new stuff today! Thanks | 36 | 2 | 8,599 |
nuyon9 | 76 | The cancellation of the Plaid Plus Model S is either really good news or really bad news. So with the cancellation of the Plaid Plus Model S it s seems logical that Tesla is either in a really good spot or at a cross roads. Teslas entire future is centered around the 4680 cells which have been in prototype production since the end of last year. We ve since learnt that the white prototype Semis driving around are using 2170L cells but the production models will also use 4680 packs and the cybertruck Model Y and the now cancelled S Plaid Plus also require the 4680 cells. With the German and Texas gigafactories designed solely to produce 4680 equipped cars Tesla are going to be in big trouble in 4680 testing and production has resulted in a product that doesn t meet projections. I ve heard a number of theories about what is going on some people have said that the Plaid plus hasn t been canceled but in fact the regular Plaid has been cancelled and the entire S line is moving to 4680 cells early. This would be the best case scenario but Musk s comments on twitter about a 400 mile range being sufficient are either a giant red herring or point towards continued used of 18650 cells (and the renewed 18650 supply contract from last year points to this). The fact that one of Musk s most trusted lieutenant Jerome Guillen has now left the company and he was in charge of the Semi program is also something to note. It could just be that engineering on the Semi is complete and he s completed his job but it could also be related to 4680 problems and Tesla s inability to deliver the product. If the 4680s were required for the long range version of the Semi and Tesla are unable to deliver on this maybe he doesn t want to be associated with a product that fails to live up to expectations. What is worrying is that if they have designed their two latest factories to solely use 4680 and both factories are destined to come online at the end of this year a delay in the 4680 structural pack could put the future of the company in jeopardy because you can t have mutli billion dollar factories sitting idle for months while Tesla works out the kinks. In a couple of days we ll find out about the new Model S and hopefully the status of the 4680 program but if there s a hint issues with the structural pack program it s something to really be concerned about. | The Plaid+ always seemed an odd choice to me given the specs and pricing would seem too close to the roadster. I do agree though that a delay in the 4680s could be part of the reason for axing the Plaid+ and Jerome leaving the trucking team. I think in general people are overly optimistic about how fast it will take to get the 4680 cells into mass production. During battery day comments from Tesla were actually quite cautious in terms of timelines. I wouldn t be surprised if it takes longer than those optimistic expectations. 2170 cells could be used to get cybertruck roadster and semi manufactured. Current prototypes most certainly use these cells. Roadster prototype is probably 18650 cells. Yes the 4680 cells have some improved energy density but not enough to fully account for the 500+ mile range variants. These vehicles could be made with large packs containing 2170s. 4680 cells will provide even more range but more importantly would save Tesla a lot on cost. | Model X or S aren t really the focus of Tesla - so whatever happens there (even if they completely drop these models) doesn t affect the company in a meaningful way. Tesla is going for the mass market because that is where the transition to EVs needs to happen and where it has the biggest effect. Whether the luxury market transitions is pretty immaterial (and others can gladly fight for that if they want to). The luxury segment was just a tool to get the company started because profit margins there are very high and low sales numbers weren t an issue as long as production capacity was equally low due to lack of factory space. That has changed. Dropping these models and using the production lines for the mass models (3 Y Cybertruck Model 2 (or whatever it s going to be called)) makes more and more sense. Less types to maintain means less cost all around. The mass market doesn t care about super-ridiculous performance. There it s all about sales price range and ease of charging. | 36 | 6 | 8,600 |
nuz86x | 155 | Positive buying experience To counter a lot of the negative we just picked up our model y and everything went great. We initially ordered in late April. We went in to test drive performance vs long range shortly after order with sales guy who was real nice about it. Changed our order from performance to long range so we can get the 7 seats. They were great with our three little kids and gave them all little Tesla models. Today they bumped up my delivery by a day at my request which was awesome. Car is flawless very well built I think. All in all would recommend folks remember for every bad experience there are probably 20 good ones you don t hear about. | I picked up my Model 3 LR on Saturday and it was also a positive experience. The employees were very friendly and accommodating despite clearly being very busy (one of them said they were doing 47 delivers today alone). My advisor actually pulled some strings to get me that delivery date since it worked well with my schedule too. | Great to hear! Enjoy | 36 | 2 | 8,601 |
nuz86x | 155 | Positive buying experience To counter a lot of the negative we just picked up our model y and everything went great. We initially ordered in late April. We went in to test drive performance vs long range shortly after order with sales guy who was real nice about it. Changed our order from performance to long range so we can get the 7 seats. They were great with our three little kids and gave them all little Tesla models. Today they bumped up my delivery by a day at my request which was awesome. Car is flawless very well built I think. All in all would recommend folks remember for every bad experience there are probably 20 good ones you don t hear about. | I picked up my Model 3 LR on Saturday and it was also a positive experience. The employees were very friendly and accommodating despite clearly being very busy (one of them said they were doing 47 delivers today alone). My advisor actually pulled some strings to get me that delivery date since it worked well with my schedule too. | Amen!!!! Congrats and enjoy! | 36 | 7 | 8,602 |
nv50ml | 128 | V11 Speculation Based upon the leaked photos back in March it looks like the Plaid Model S will be launching with the V11 software. It s been a very long time since there was a software update with any meaningful new features (besides the 🔥 holiday update with a worse UI and fart noises) so I m assuming they ve been putting all their development time into the V11 release. This is what I m most looking forward to on Thursday seeing V11 and hopefully finding out when it will be rolling out to the rest of the fleet. Tesla has been getting a lot of heat lately for lack of updates removing radar and lumbar price increases delays the list goes on. So I think this will help everyone have a positive outlook again. Whats some features everyone is hoping for? Off the top of my head and in no particular order I m hoping V11 has: - Redesigned UI (like seen in the leaked photos) - Remote Sentry viewing - Support for 3rd party apps App Store - 3rd party map support - Crowd sourced map data for speed traps accidents road debris etc. - Cross traffic alert - Blind spot monitor - Repeater camera on turn signal - Waypoints - Snow Winter and car wash mode - Sentry mode scheduler - Entertainment apps that don t crash the entire MCU - 360 degree camera - Passenger seat profiles - Apple CarPlay Android Auto - Autopilot toggle to favor one side of the lane rather than centering especially during city driving I m hoping we see at-least some of these features on Thursday and also hoping Tesla starts focusing on car features again. FSD is great and exciting but it feels like other areas of software have been neglected. | navigation waypoints. at one point elon said yes. perhaps they ll show up? | I hope expect the automatic gear selector will be there for all cars as well | 95 | 2 | 8,603 |
nv50ml | 128 | V11 Speculation Based upon the leaked photos back in March it looks like the Plaid Model S will be launching with the V11 software. It s been a very long time since there was a software update with any meaningful new features (besides the 🔥 holiday update with a worse UI and fart noises) so I m assuming they ve been putting all their development time into the V11 release. This is what I m most looking forward to on Thursday seeing V11 and hopefully finding out when it will be rolling out to the rest of the fleet. Tesla has been getting a lot of heat lately for lack of updates removing radar and lumbar price increases delays the list goes on. So I think this will help everyone have a positive outlook again. Whats some features everyone is hoping for? Off the top of my head and in no particular order I m hoping V11 has: - Redesigned UI (like seen in the leaked photos) - Remote Sentry viewing - Support for 3rd party apps App Store - 3rd party map support - Crowd sourced map data for speed traps accidents road debris etc. - Cross traffic alert - Blind spot monitor - Repeater camera on turn signal - Waypoints - Snow Winter and car wash mode - Sentry mode scheduler - Entertainment apps that don t crash the entire MCU - 360 degree camera - Passenger seat profiles - Apple CarPlay Android Auto - Autopilot toggle to favor one side of the lane rather than centering especially during city driving I m hoping we see at-least some of these features on Thursday and also hoping Tesla starts focusing on car features again. FSD is great and exciting but it feels like other areas of software have been neglected. | navigation waypoints. at one point elon said yes. perhaps they ll show up? | I know it won t happen but I want Airplay to car s screen. I m sick of dealing with the slow browser and just want to cast content. I guess browser speed up would be nice too | 95 | 11 | 8,604 |
nv50ml | 128 | V11 Speculation Based upon the leaked photos back in March it looks like the Plaid Model S will be launching with the V11 software. It s been a very long time since there was a software update with any meaningful new features (besides the 🔥 holiday update with a worse UI and fart noises) so I m assuming they ve been putting all their development time into the V11 release. This is what I m most looking forward to on Thursday seeing V11 and hopefully finding out when it will be rolling out to the rest of the fleet. Tesla has been getting a lot of heat lately for lack of updates removing radar and lumbar price increases delays the list goes on. So I think this will help everyone have a positive outlook again. Whats some features everyone is hoping for? Off the top of my head and in no particular order I m hoping V11 has: - Redesigned UI (like seen in the leaked photos) - Remote Sentry viewing - Support for 3rd party apps App Store - 3rd party map support - Crowd sourced map data for speed traps accidents road debris etc. - Cross traffic alert - Blind spot monitor - Repeater camera on turn signal - Waypoints - Snow Winter and car wash mode - Sentry mode scheduler - Entertainment apps that don t crash the entire MCU - 360 degree camera - Passenger seat profiles - Apple CarPlay Android Auto - Autopilot toggle to favor one side of the lane rather than centering especially during city driving I m hoping we see at-least some of these features on Thursday and also hoping Tesla starts focusing on car features again. FSD is great and exciting but it feels like other areas of software have been neglected. | navigation waypoints. at one point elon said yes. perhaps they ll show up? | To address a few of those requests: * Car wash mode: already implemented the wipers will not turn on when car wash has been detected * Passenger seat profile: if you re talking about adjusting the seat: that is not possible the passenger seat is not CAN-bus addressable * Apple CarPlay + Android Auto: this will never happen. Tesla is not going to allow a 3rd party ecosystem to take their screen real estate. | 95 | 35 | 8,605 |
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