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oamwzt | 49 | Moving to Model S LR from BMW M3 I think I m about a week away from ordering my first Tesla a Model S LR. I ve been reading this forum and other Tesla forums for about a year now and I think I have a pretty good idea about what I am getting myself into. However before I spend close to $100k (which is the most I ve ever spent on a car) I thought I would canvas the fans and experts on r teslamotors and make sure I wasn t missing any tricks and that what I think I am going to get is actually what will show up in my driveway. I ve been driving BMW s for quite a while now. My current daily driver is a 2017 M3 (and to avoid confusion with the Tesla Model 3 I will refer to as the F80 in this post) which I love. Not only is it a high performance car with great handling it s also comfortable to drive and well equipped inside. I don t really have any doubts that in terms of raw performance the Model S will surpass my current ride but I do have a nagging doubts about the Model S that I d like to put to rest. While I m pretty sure that the Model S will handily beat my F80 on raw acceleration how is the suspension? I don t track my F80 but I do drive in the mountains of North Carolina from time to time and the handling of the F80 is breathtaking. I would like to think that I am not going to give up much in terms of handling if I switch to Model S. Does the Model S LR have adaptive suspension? Does it work? I know that Tesla doesn t currently support Pandora. I ve tried Spotify but it doesn t fit the bill for the way I listen to music (no Thumbprint equivalent). How well does the Tesla OS interface with the iPhone for non-supported apps? All I will really need to do is tell Pandora to skip to the next track. I typically leave Pandora on Thumbprint and just skip a track if I don t want to hear it. Is this something I can do from the steering wheel controls or the main screen? Having to reach down and do it on the iPhone is not a good option. Is the satellite radio in the Model S a real satellite receiver or does it rely on a cellular 4G connection? I cover some rural locations for my work and there is no FM or 4G reception in these locations. Satellite radio is a must for these areas. How easy is the garage door opener to use? From what I can tell this isn t the traditional setup that is found on other cars (usually on the rear view mirror or sun visor) but something that you must navigate through the main screen. My driveway is steep and curves fairly sharply and I don t want to be fussing with a multi-layered menu everytime I come home. I use Waze for my primary navigation app. It has great real time information for hazards and also police. I m not that worried about the police feature but the hazard info is extremely useful. Does the built-in Tesla navigation have anything comparable? And finally I think my last question... While I plan to get a 240v charging station installed in my garage it s possible that I may have to make do with 115v 15A outlet to charge. My usual daily roundtrip to work is about 30 miles. When I go to the more rural locations (about twice a month but will likely become more frequent) it s about 100 mile round trip. Is this doable with the 115v outlet with an overnight charge? If there is anything anyone thinks that I should be considering in addition to the items above please let me know. Thanks! | Former 2016 F80 owner here. Went to a 2020 Model 3 Performance in Dec 2019 (with a G01 X3 M40i in between). I can t answer anything specific to the Model S but just some things about Teslas in general: * You ll be fine with your commute use case charging over 120V 15A. But charging is still slow about 3 miles per hour of charging. So you can essentially make up what you use by plugging in overnight and if you start the week with a full (90%) charge every Monday you ll be fine even for your 100 mile trips. * Get the wall charger as soon as you can. * Garage door opener via Homelink is great. You can program it to auto open close based on GPS but I prefer to just press the digital button manually (pops up when you get close to your garage or leaving) * Dunno about satellite as the Model 3 doesn t have that. I didn t even realize the Model S did! * The Tesla interface is decent with an iPhone. You will use the steering wheel controls for easiest playback controls i.e. track back skip. You only have to touch the screen if you want to change albums. I occasionally miss CarPlay but the Tesla can notify read your incoming texts and responding is just easy as CarPlay just press a button on the steering wheel. No complaints here. Overall I **never** regret the change. The F80 is a Blackberry Bold the Tesla is an iPhone 12 Pro. The control you have over the car for speed changes with the regen braking is just something you can never replicate in an ICE car. And when you get back into an ICE car the 1000lb lump of engine and transmission sitting ahead and beside your right leg is very obvious from a handling perspective. The benefit of having the majority weight of the car that close the road cannot be overstated. I ve had a lot of BMWs over the past 10 years including a 2012 E92 ZCP. I do miss the glorious sounds of that S65. But for everything else Tesla is miles ahead of BMW. I m not going back and even 18 months later it s still a huge joy to drive the Model 3 even for simple errands. | With the home link it auto opens when you approach the garage and auto closes when you leave. You can turn this setting off so then you just tap the button on the screen. | 83 | 8 | 8,706 |
oapiwg | 94 | New Discoveries Diving into the Model S Plaid s API response We recently had a Model S Plaid join [Teslascope](https: teslascope.com ) and there s a handful of new discoveries that can be found by studying its API response (what the Tesla mobile app and third-party services use for populating data). The first confirmation from a [few days ago](https: twitter.com teslascope status 1409568214317551621) was that the 2021 Model S is codenamed ** lychee **. This was discovered back in March but was only loosely referenced in reverse-engineered code from the mobile app. Diving into the API response a bit more we see that the API version is 17 compared to 15 currently on all other models. New variables found under the vehicle configuration include: * driver\\_assist => **TeslaAP3** * efficiency\\_package => **EfficiencyPackageDefault** * interior\\_trim\\_type => **Black** * rear\\_drive\\_unit => **CorianderDual** At first glance it can be assumed that TeslaAP3 may stand for HW3 although without any way to compare to other models since this variable isn t present on the non-refreshed UI software there s no way to confirm this yet. As for the interior variable this one is far more obvious. I also found the efficiency package and rear drive unit variables interesting. It s assumed that the Long Range trim will have a different name since there are no dual motors in the rear. However no further details about what the efficiency package might refer to. Would love to know your thoughts. | If you turn on the US language pack does it say Cilantro? | Very cool! Coriander | 59 | 3 | 8,707 |
oapiwg | 94 | New Discoveries Diving into the Model S Plaid s API response We recently had a Model S Plaid join [Teslascope](https: teslascope.com ) and there s a handful of new discoveries that can be found by studying its API response (what the Tesla mobile app and third-party services use for populating data). The first confirmation from a [few days ago](https: twitter.com teslascope status 1409568214317551621) was that the 2021 Model S is codenamed ** lychee **. This was discovered back in March but was only loosely referenced in reverse-engineered code from the mobile app. Diving into the API response a bit more we see that the API version is 17 compared to 15 currently on all other models. New variables found under the vehicle configuration include: * driver\\_assist => **TeslaAP3** * efficiency\\_package => **EfficiencyPackageDefault** * interior\\_trim\\_type => **Black** * rear\\_drive\\_unit => **CorianderDual** At first glance it can be assumed that TeslaAP3 may stand for HW3 although without any way to compare to other models since this variable isn t present on the non-refreshed UI software there s no way to confirm this yet. As for the interior variable this one is far more obvious. I also found the efficiency package and rear drive unit variables interesting. It s assumed that the Long Range trim will have a different name since there are no dual motors in the rear. However no further details about what the efficiency package might refer to. Would love to know your thoughts. | If you turn on the US language pack does it say Cilantro? | I wonder if Tesla plans on having efficiency as an unlock similar to how they gave the long range model 3 the performance boost option. I wouldn t put it past them to give people an extra 50 miles of range for an extra 10k or something. Could be an option for the long range too without ruffling too many feathers. | 59 | 6 | 8,708 |
ob4j5i | 58 | Tesla as a road trip vehicle ? Not sure if this is the best place to ask but thought I d give it a shot !! My wife and I are looking to get a vehicle to road trip in and didn t know if we should stick to gas cars for that or if a Tesla is doable and stress free ? We own a Bolt EV and Fiat EV ( yes not the best but they make do ) ) but never experienced a Tesla on long distances. Do they work? Are they stressful ? Does it make sense more financially to get a Tesla ? Heck we just drove to cali from AZ and cali is sitting around 4.80 a gallon. Big oof. Pros and cons of either or ? I personally love all EVs and don t want to deal with maintenance long term with a gas vehicle… | > Do they work? Yes assuming there is a charging network along the route. Check out the red dots here: https: supercharge.info map > Are they stressful? Not unless you re deviating from the Tesla super charger network. I actually find them less stressful than other cars because of autopilot and skipping gas station lines. > Does it make sense more financially to get a Tesla? Only you can decide that. | You must be new! | 95 | 8 | 8,709 |
ob4j5i | 58 | Tesla as a road trip vehicle ? Not sure if this is the best place to ask but thought I d give it a shot !! My wife and I are looking to get a vehicle to road trip in and didn t know if we should stick to gas cars for that or if a Tesla is doable and stress free ? We own a Bolt EV and Fiat EV ( yes not the best but they make do ) ) but never experienced a Tesla on long distances. Do they work? Are they stressful ? Does it make sense more financially to get a Tesla ? Heck we just drove to cali from AZ and cali is sitting around 4.80 a gallon. Big oof. Pros and cons of either or ? I personally love all EVs and don t want to deal with maintenance long term with a gas vehicle… | I do loads of road trips with my Tesla. Never done so many road trips before. Autopilot helps. | You must be new! | 70 | 8 | 8,710 |
ob4j5i | 58 | Tesla as a road trip vehicle ? Not sure if this is the best place to ask but thought I d give it a shot !! My wife and I are looking to get a vehicle to road trip in and didn t know if we should stick to gas cars for that or if a Tesla is doable and stress free ? We own a Bolt EV and Fiat EV ( yes not the best but they make do ) ) but never experienced a Tesla on long distances. Do they work? Are they stressful ? Does it make sense more financially to get a Tesla ? Heck we just drove to cali from AZ and cali is sitting around 4.80 a gallon. Big oof. Pros and cons of either or ? I personally love all EVs and don t want to deal with maintenance long term with a gas vehicle… | > Do they work? Yes assuming there is a charging network along the route. Check out the red dots here: https: supercharge.info map > Are they stressful? Not unless you re deviating from the Tesla super charger network. I actually find them less stressful than other cars because of autopilot and skipping gas station lines. > Does it make sense more financially to get a Tesla? Only you can decide that. | Yes | 95 | 53 | 8,711 |
obrfka | 29 | I love the US indicators of the model 3 and Y As a European I only get to see the European version of the model 3 and Y. Since new cars have to have amber indicators they can t just use the brake light as an indicator like in the US. However this leads to an issue with those Tesla models. For example most cars that are designed for the European market have a separate indicator lights that are easy distinguishable form the brake lights since they a different position and normally an amber color. However it doesn t seem like the Model 3 was designed that way. It seems more like they just took a small part of the brake light made it amber and used it as the blinker. In theory that sounds good enough but I have noticed that its really hard to see the indicators when the driver is braking and you are not directly behind the Tesla or see it from a slight angle. That is because the indicators are very tiny. If you look closely you can still see it but I just think something like an indicator should be easy to see not matter the angle or distance. For that reason I would prefer the big blinker of the US versions even in Europe. [Here is a video to help you understand what I mean](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=dDDFSI_5_jk). (Like I said it is much harder to see in person from a distance or angle) I just want to add that the model 3 and Y are not the only cars with that issue. I ve seen many other cars even from VW Audi and Mercedes that have similar issues due to the blinker having a red tint and being really thin compared to the brake lights that output much more light. | I wish my turn signal was amber. I hate how my model 3 uses a brake light as a turn signal. | Has [this update](https: electrek.co 2020 08 26 tesla-model-y-taillight-design ) not made it to Europe? My Model Y has the entier strip part lighting up as Amber and the outer surround is the brake light. I believe our 3s are like this now as well. | 76 | 33 | 8,712 |
obvn30 | 58 | How come nobody seems to talk about the impact of extreme heat on range? I live in Vancouver BC. As some of you might know we just went through a pretty intense heat wave with temperatures above 40C (104F) with some regions getting close to 50C (122F). I have the 2021 Tesla SR+ with the heat pump. Got the car in March. Efficiency has been awesome at 140 wh km (225 wh mi) overall but I was closer to 125 wh km (201 wh mi) when we started having perfect temperatures of 20C (68F). During this heat wave my efficiency and range took a hit. I was closer to 180 wh km (289 wh mi) driving 60 miles on the freeway. Yes this is with AC turned on all the time (set to 21C 70F). Also simply having the AC on without moving (like in a parking lot) was consuming a lot of the battery. I found [this article](https: www.geotab.com blog ev-range ) showing that a temperature of 40C is as bad on the range as a temperature of 0C (32F). That makes sense to me. But I can t really find many people discussing this online. The discussions regarding range and temperatures are always when it gets cold. How come we don t discuss the impact of heat more? Tesla drivers in California Arizona etc do you see a hit to your range when it gets really hot? Or are the models with heat pumps more sensitive to that? Maybe the heat pump HVAC system is really good for moderate temperatures but worse for extreme ones? Thanks for the discussion! | From the south. I only notice decreased range when it s cold. | [https: imgur.com a KA3Rh3X](https: imgur.com a KA3Rh3X) That s an interesting thought and I kept wondering as well max I ve exp so far is only 90F climate is most of the time at AUTO and during this period I did not switch tire. I think the 90F figure is just sampling had maybe 2 trips at that temp range and they are somehow both downhill. That s an interesting thought and I kept wondering as well max I ve exp so far is only 90F the climate is most of the time at AUTO and during this period I did not switch tires.. is not that bad so I just stop peeping. | 60 | 2 | 8,713 |
obvn30 | 58 | How come nobody seems to talk about the impact of extreme heat on range? I live in Vancouver BC. As some of you might know we just went through a pretty intense heat wave with temperatures above 40C (104F) with some regions getting close to 50C (122F). I have the 2021 Tesla SR+ with the heat pump. Got the car in March. Efficiency has been awesome at 140 wh km (225 wh mi) overall but I was closer to 125 wh km (201 wh mi) when we started having perfect temperatures of 20C (68F). During this heat wave my efficiency and range took a hit. I was closer to 180 wh km (289 wh mi) driving 60 miles on the freeway. Yes this is with AC turned on all the time (set to 21C 70F). Also simply having the AC on without moving (like in a parking lot) was consuming a lot of the battery. I found [this article](https: www.geotab.com blog ev-range ) showing that a temperature of 40C is as bad on the range as a temperature of 0C (32F). That makes sense to me. But I can t really find many people discussing this online. The discussions regarding range and temperatures are always when it gets cold. How come we don t discuss the impact of heat more? Tesla drivers in California Arizona etc do you see a hit to your range when it gets really hot? Or are the models with heat pumps more sensitive to that? Maybe the heat pump HVAC system is really good for moderate temperatures but worse for extreme ones? Thanks for the discussion! | How long are these drives? The shorter a drive the more wh mi you will use in short time periods as the car has to rapidly cool the car for you then if you only drive 5 min then yeah... not the same as a 30 min drive to keep the car at climate. Id say you really need a good 20-30 minutes or longer to find your real average wh mi range in any given conditions. Like others said though.... after 3.5 years of owning my car I rarely look at the stats I just plug my car in when I can and drive it then ill charge it again. | [https: imgur.com a KA3Rh3X](https: imgur.com a KA3Rh3X) That s an interesting thought and I kept wondering as well max I ve exp so far is only 90F climate is most of the time at AUTO and during this period I did not switch tire. I think the 90F figure is just sampling had maybe 2 trips at that temp range and they are somehow both downhill. That s an interesting thought and I kept wondering as well max I ve exp so far is only 90F the climate is most of the time at AUTO and during this period I did not switch tires.. is not that bad so I just stop peeping. | 50 | 2 | 8,714 |
obvn30 | 58 | How come nobody seems to talk about the impact of extreme heat on range? I live in Vancouver BC. As some of you might know we just went through a pretty intense heat wave with temperatures above 40C (104F) with some regions getting close to 50C (122F). I have the 2021 Tesla SR+ with the heat pump. Got the car in March. Efficiency has been awesome at 140 wh km (225 wh mi) overall but I was closer to 125 wh km (201 wh mi) when we started having perfect temperatures of 20C (68F). During this heat wave my efficiency and range took a hit. I was closer to 180 wh km (289 wh mi) driving 60 miles on the freeway. Yes this is with AC turned on all the time (set to 21C 70F). Also simply having the AC on without moving (like in a parking lot) was consuming a lot of the battery. I found [this article](https: www.geotab.com blog ev-range ) showing that a temperature of 40C is as bad on the range as a temperature of 0C (32F). That makes sense to me. But I can t really find many people discussing this online. The discussions regarding range and temperatures are always when it gets cold. How come we don t discuss the impact of heat more? Tesla drivers in California Arizona etc do you see a hit to your range when it gets really hot? Or are the models with heat pumps more sensitive to that? Maybe the heat pump HVAC system is really good for moderate temperatures but worse for extreme ones? Thanks for the discussion! | From the south. I only notice decreased range when it s cold. | I have no idea what the watt hours whatever is. I just plug it in at night and drive all I need to | 60 | 13 | 8,715 |
oca8vj | 148 | Delivery Number Comparsion # 2020: \\+40 32% Q1 YoY \\-4 78% Q2 YoY \\+43 61% Q3 YoY \\+61 22% Q4 YoY # 2021: \\+109% Q1 YoY \\+122% Q2 YoY & #x200B In 2020 Tesla was able to grew total deliveries by 35 87% compared to 2019. 105 13% of total 2019 deliveries achieved after 2 quarters in 2021. Already 77 4% of total 2020 deliveries achieved after 2 quarters in 2021 . & #x200B edit: corrected the wrong numbers edit 2: added 2019 deliveries in second figure https: preview.redd.it w334rvczxs871.png?width=600& format=png& auto=webp& s=d09c66e8f7f2cf500b87e3419afda5ed6e24e013 https: preview.redd.it 59l0al095z871.png?width=1126& format=png& auto=webp& s=c4bf56b22dd77e5258d25b5cb1745d43d99823b8 | Tesla will sell as many cars as they can manufacture every quarter for the foreseeable future… they need to get done with Austin and Berlin and start building the next Gigafactory to take model Y into the top 10 best selling cars in the world | Why is media spinning this as a slight miss in deliveries? | 98 | 43 | 8,716 |
oe7w1u | 928 | Unpopular opinion: auto wipers are just fine Auto wipers were kind of crap in the beginning (I have a 2018 Model 3) but they have worked just fine for me recently. Yeah there are occasions with mist that I might do a manual wipe here or there but people online are way overly dramatic about the whole situation. | While I think it s overblown I think a double-tap of the button should cycle through the speeds so I can give auto a boost when needed. I always hated the stalk rings on my previous cars so I don t really want those back. | I had a 2019 M3 and outside of extreme bug splatters never could say I had an issue with how or when they turned on? Is the consensus they turned on too little or too much? | 258 | 18 | 8,717 |
oe7w1u | 928 | Unpopular opinion: auto wipers are just fine Auto wipers were kind of crap in the beginning (I have a 2018 Model 3) but they have worked just fine for me recently. Yeah there are occasions with mist that I might do a manual wipe here or there but people online are way overly dramatic about the whole situation. | While I think it s overblown I think a double-tap of the button should cycle through the speeds so I can give auto a boost when needed. I always hated the stalk rings on my previous cars so I don t really want those back. | I disagree. I have a performance 3 from 2018 and the auto setting does not work well for me. Whenever it rains I miss driving in a car with fingertip stalk controls for wipers. I had a car in 2010 where auto wipers worked fine so I m really disappointed that Tesla didn t get them right. | 258 | 21 | 8,718 |
oe7w1u | 928 | Unpopular opinion: auto wipers are just fine Auto wipers were kind of crap in the beginning (I have a 2018 Model 3) but they have worked just fine for me recently. Yeah there are occasions with mist that I might do a manual wipe here or there but people online are way overly dramatic about the whole situation. | I think they are awful. I often have to manually turn them higher when it s raining hard and manually turn them off when they are inexplicably wiping a dry windshield over and over. | It works fine. | 71 | 2 | 8,719 |
oetbed | 2,078 | Tesla should transition to subscription only FSD and allow early backers a transferable license. With the evolution of FSD it seems that things are getting ironed out with the potential future business plan of FSD. It seems Tesla will want to focus primarily on the subscription model. This makes sense as the percentage of FSD package buyers must be minimal in comparison to potential customers willing to jump into a subscription model of FSD. In my opinion going forward Tesla will probably want to eliminate the ability to buy FSD. I know they said otherwise but that is meaningless. Can you buy a lifetime subscription to netflix phone cable etc? The two options typically dont intertwine. Tesla should reward the adoptors. The people who believed and funded FSD without anything to show for their huge investment. Rewards us with a licence. Something that is transferable to any vehicle we own. This will not only keep us essentially locked into the Tesla brand here on out but would also show the least amount of good will all things considering. | I 100% agree with you. I d love to upgrade my 2018 Model 3 to a 2022 Model X but there is no way I m paying for FSD again when my 2018 Model 3 hasn t got it and Tesla locked away all the smart features behind FSD (Summon NoA etc.). A one-time transferable license for those that bought in early should be a no-brainer. | Tesla stays ahead of competitors by leveraging their enthusiastic customer base for development like most tech companies where you ARE the product. The Model Y rollout was similar where a huge chunk of the of earliest VINs had honestly unacceptable build quality and barely resemble the vehicles being delivered today. Any other company would have HAD to wait another year to release a suitably mature product but Tesla has enough OTA games and gimmicks to distract from their engineering on the fly approach. Rewarding early adopters with a get out of fine print free clause will never happen because it would be admitting fault in this strategy jeopardizing their forward momentum. | 449 | 2 | 8,720 |
oetbed | 2,078 | Tesla should transition to subscription only FSD and allow early backers a transferable license. With the evolution of FSD it seems that things are getting ironed out with the potential future business plan of FSD. It seems Tesla will want to focus primarily on the subscription model. This makes sense as the percentage of FSD package buyers must be minimal in comparison to potential customers willing to jump into a subscription model of FSD. In my opinion going forward Tesla will probably want to eliminate the ability to buy FSD. I know they said otherwise but that is meaningless. Can you buy a lifetime subscription to netflix phone cable etc? The two options typically dont intertwine. Tesla should reward the adoptors. The people who believed and funded FSD without anything to show for their huge investment. Rewards us with a licence. Something that is transferable to any vehicle we own. This will not only keep us essentially locked into the Tesla brand here on out but would also show the least amount of good will all things considering. | I 100% agree with you. I d love to upgrade my 2018 Model 3 to a 2022 Model X but there is no way I m paying for FSD again when my 2018 Model 3 hasn t got it and Tesla locked away all the smart features behind FSD (Summon NoA etc.). A one-time transferable license for those that bought in early should be a no-brainer. | I just filled out my post-purchase survey for my 2nd tesla and left a comment basically saying the exact same thing. if they want to do right by us give us a transferable license to FSD. Some of us have been waiting 4+ years already. | 449 | 5 | 8,721 |
oetbed | 2,078 | Tesla should transition to subscription only FSD and allow early backers a transferable license. With the evolution of FSD it seems that things are getting ironed out with the potential future business plan of FSD. It seems Tesla will want to focus primarily on the subscription model. This makes sense as the percentage of FSD package buyers must be minimal in comparison to potential customers willing to jump into a subscription model of FSD. In my opinion going forward Tesla will probably want to eliminate the ability to buy FSD. I know they said otherwise but that is meaningless. Can you buy a lifetime subscription to netflix phone cable etc? The two options typically dont intertwine. Tesla should reward the adoptors. The people who believed and funded FSD without anything to show for their huge investment. Rewards us with a licence. Something that is transferable to any vehicle we own. This will not only keep us essentially locked into the Tesla brand here on out but would also show the least amount of good will all things considering. | I 100% agree with you. I d love to upgrade my 2018 Model 3 to a 2022 Model X but there is no way I m paying for FSD again when my 2018 Model 3 hasn t got it and Tesla locked away all the smart features behind FSD (Summon NoA etc.). A one-time transferable license for those that bought in early should be a no-brainer. | I must preface my remarks by saying that I am a big Tesla supporter and own a model 3. That being said FSD is nothing more than a fantasy. That needs to be changed to MSD which stands for mostly self-driving. There are just too many variables not only in the US but around the world that makes FSD a pipe dream that will never become reality. State and city budgets are running in the red in many places and basic services such as maintaining roadway markings are falling into disrepair. I have to take over when I run into an area where there are no white markings for the autopilot to know where to go. I use autopilot everyday and I m happy with it because I know it s limitations. If Tesla ever offers the enhanced autopilot again I will purchase it simply for the lane changing abilities. | 449 | 10 | 8,722 |
of8cip | 421 | How would a Model 3 as a work vehicle driven about 35k miles year hold up? My company has provided commercial vehicles to technicians like myself for 20+ years. They paid for the car insurance gas maintenance etc. The only thing we had to do was keep it clean. The car was essentially ours that we could use for personal This is all coming to an end in August. Due to continuing skyrocketing fleet vehicle insurance my company is moving to a reimbursement program. Now I don t know all of the details yet but if the rumors are to be believed as a technician I should be seeing somewhere in the ball park of $1200 month for vehicle compensation. I ve always wanted a Tesla and was thinking this may be a great opportunity to finally purchase this vehicle. I still need to dive into the details on whether or not it makes sense with respect to the distances I may travel in a days time. The most I ve driven thus far in one direction is about 170 miles. On that route there is a supercharge station so I think I ll be good. This reimbursement would cover monthly note insurance gas and up keep. My thought is if I could get that fuel cost WAY down by having a Tesla it may make it worth the monthly note. Besides tires brakes and eventual battery replacement what other “maintenance” is required? Would a Model 3 be a good choice for this situation? Edit: I got some concrete numbers today. Since the beginning of the year I ve driven about 24 500 miles. I m on pace to drive 48k miles this year. I did some crunching on a “worse case scenario”. Driving to the office they consider personal miles. I rarely ever go into the office but let s figure I have to do that everyday for an entire month. That s 640 personal miles. If I also go to my parents house every weekend of that month (about the furthest I travel on weekends) that s an additional 264 personal miles. So 130 miles on average a day is 3900 miles month. Subtract my personal miles I can t claim of like 900 and I m at 3k business miles. The rumor is that technicians are getting between .26-.28 cents a mile. On the low side that s $780 month for the miles. There s an additional $300-$350 flat rate that we re all getting regardless of miles driven. So again on the low side $300 added to $780 is $1 080 month. Insurance will be about $110 month. To charge a Model 3 LR for that month for the total $3900 miles would cost me $40. I arrived at that by dividing 3900 by 325 miles and getting 12 and multiplying that by $3.28. An 82kwh battery multiplied by .04 kwh (local rate) is $3.28. Subtract the insurance cost and fuel cost from $1080 and I m at $930 leftover for the vehicle itself. Again this is all worse case scenario. Edit #2: I went ahead and purchased a Model 3 LR but not before the delivery dates pushed to September and the prices went up. I was trying to hold off until the stuff with my company completely went through but with me having to potentially borrow a vehicle waiting for the Tesla I couldn t ask that person to let me borrow the car for 3-4 months. I had to just roll the dice. Thanks again for the help everyone. | Tires wiper fluid cabin air filter (every 2 years). That s the major stuff. Not brakes really. A lot of people go well past 100k miles without new pads or changing the brake fluid. I saw someone post with a Model S that passed 250k miles. You ll usually be using the regenerative braking so normal brakes get much less use than an ICE car. For $1200 mo you can definitely make this work out with a Model 3 Long Range. | The super chargers cost and you will see your home electric go up. Neither of these would be as much as gas costs. I do believe the vehicle will hold up and would be good for what you need it for. | 358 | 26 | 8,723 |
of8cip | 421 | How would a Model 3 as a work vehicle driven about 35k miles year hold up? My company has provided commercial vehicles to technicians like myself for 20+ years. They paid for the car insurance gas maintenance etc. The only thing we had to do was keep it clean. The car was essentially ours that we could use for personal This is all coming to an end in August. Due to continuing skyrocketing fleet vehicle insurance my company is moving to a reimbursement program. Now I don t know all of the details yet but if the rumors are to be believed as a technician I should be seeing somewhere in the ball park of $1200 month for vehicle compensation. I ve always wanted a Tesla and was thinking this may be a great opportunity to finally purchase this vehicle. I still need to dive into the details on whether or not it makes sense with respect to the distances I may travel in a days time. The most I ve driven thus far in one direction is about 170 miles. On that route there is a supercharge station so I think I ll be good. This reimbursement would cover monthly note insurance gas and up keep. My thought is if I could get that fuel cost WAY down by having a Tesla it may make it worth the monthly note. Besides tires brakes and eventual battery replacement what other “maintenance” is required? Would a Model 3 be a good choice for this situation? Edit: I got some concrete numbers today. Since the beginning of the year I ve driven about 24 500 miles. I m on pace to drive 48k miles this year. I did some crunching on a “worse case scenario”. Driving to the office they consider personal miles. I rarely ever go into the office but let s figure I have to do that everyday for an entire month. That s 640 personal miles. If I also go to my parents house every weekend of that month (about the furthest I travel on weekends) that s an additional 264 personal miles. So 130 miles on average a day is 3900 miles month. Subtract my personal miles I can t claim of like 900 and I m at 3k business miles. The rumor is that technicians are getting between .26-.28 cents a mile. On the low side that s $780 month for the miles. There s an additional $300-$350 flat rate that we re all getting regardless of miles driven. So again on the low side $300 added to $780 is $1 080 month. Insurance will be about $110 month. To charge a Model 3 LR for that month for the total $3900 miles would cost me $40. I arrived at that by dividing 3900 by 325 miles and getting 12 and multiplying that by $3.28. An 82kwh battery multiplied by .04 kwh (local rate) is $3.28. Subtract the insurance cost and fuel cost from $1080 and I m at $930 leftover for the vehicle itself. Again this is all worse case scenario. Edit #2: I went ahead and purchased a Model 3 LR but not before the delivery dates pushed to September and the prices went up. I was trying to hold off until the stuff with my company completely went through but with me having to potentially borrow a vehicle waiting for the Tesla I couldn t ask that person to let me borrow the car for 3-4 months. I had to just roll the dice. Thanks again for the help everyone. | Tires wiper fluid cabin air filter (every 2 years). That s the major stuff. Not brakes really. A lot of people go well past 100k miles without new pads or changing the brake fluid. I saw someone post with a Model S that passed 250k miles. You ll usually be using the regenerative braking so normal brakes get much less use than an ICE car. For $1200 mo you can definitely make this work out with a Model 3 Long Range. | Absolutely. I drive a 2018 Model 3 Performance and after 32 000 miles I ve have a routine wheel rotation and air filter replacement. I m due for new tires but you can t beat the maintenance costs at this point. You ll be amazing at how little maintenance is needed aside from interior cleanliness. | 358 | 55 | 8,724 |
of8cip | 421 | How would a Model 3 as a work vehicle driven about 35k miles year hold up? My company has provided commercial vehicles to technicians like myself for 20+ years. They paid for the car insurance gas maintenance etc. The only thing we had to do was keep it clean. The car was essentially ours that we could use for personal This is all coming to an end in August. Due to continuing skyrocketing fleet vehicle insurance my company is moving to a reimbursement program. Now I don t know all of the details yet but if the rumors are to be believed as a technician I should be seeing somewhere in the ball park of $1200 month for vehicle compensation. I ve always wanted a Tesla and was thinking this may be a great opportunity to finally purchase this vehicle. I still need to dive into the details on whether or not it makes sense with respect to the distances I may travel in a days time. The most I ve driven thus far in one direction is about 170 miles. On that route there is a supercharge station so I think I ll be good. This reimbursement would cover monthly note insurance gas and up keep. My thought is if I could get that fuel cost WAY down by having a Tesla it may make it worth the monthly note. Besides tires brakes and eventual battery replacement what other “maintenance” is required? Would a Model 3 be a good choice for this situation? Edit: I got some concrete numbers today. Since the beginning of the year I ve driven about 24 500 miles. I m on pace to drive 48k miles this year. I did some crunching on a “worse case scenario”. Driving to the office they consider personal miles. I rarely ever go into the office but let s figure I have to do that everyday for an entire month. That s 640 personal miles. If I also go to my parents house every weekend of that month (about the furthest I travel on weekends) that s an additional 264 personal miles. So 130 miles on average a day is 3900 miles month. Subtract my personal miles I can t claim of like 900 and I m at 3k business miles. The rumor is that technicians are getting between .26-.28 cents a mile. On the low side that s $780 month for the miles. There s an additional $300-$350 flat rate that we re all getting regardless of miles driven. So again on the low side $300 added to $780 is $1 080 month. Insurance will be about $110 month. To charge a Model 3 LR for that month for the total $3900 miles would cost me $40. I arrived at that by dividing 3900 by 325 miles and getting 12 and multiplying that by $3.28. An 82kwh battery multiplied by .04 kwh (local rate) is $3.28. Subtract the insurance cost and fuel cost from $1080 and I m at $930 leftover for the vehicle itself. Again this is all worse case scenario. Edit #2: I went ahead and purchased a Model 3 LR but not before the delivery dates pushed to September and the prices went up. I was trying to hold off until the stuff with my company completely went through but with me having to potentially borrow a vehicle waiting for the Tesla I couldn t ask that person to let me borrow the car for 3-4 months. I had to just roll the dice. Thanks again for the help everyone. | I drive between 20k-30k miles a year in a model 3LR for work. Reimbursed on mileage. The car has been amazing and almost zero problems. I ve replaced tires once still haven t replaced wiper blades or refilled fluid and had no other regular maintenance needs. I am on my third windshield though. I m averaging 1 windshield every 20k miles at this point. But so is my coworker with an f150 so might be more about the miles than the car. This is the best company car ever. Coolest most comfortable and in my opinion most ethical. As we drive the most miles and contribute the most to emissions there is an obligation to take responsibility for that. Choosing electric is the best way to do that. | I made a spreadsheet to decide on a new ICE or EV recently. Used a 250 000km 10 year ownership duration and compared purchase price fuel maintenance and residual value to determine a broad lifecycle cost. Now there are things left out like financing costs opportunity cost (i.e. if I invested the difference in purchase prices if paying cash) EV setup costs etc. but my spreadsheet wasn t intended to select the lowest option. It showed me that a $75K (Canadian) Model Y had a roughly equal lifecycle cost to a $40K Santa Fe. Now if I compared the Model Y against something more similar like the Audi Q7 (since I opted for a 7 seater Model Y) the lifetime costs of the Audi was 1.5x the Model Y. What sold me even further is breaking down the lifecycle costs of these vehicles. The Model Y was 85% vehicle price less residual value at 10yrs 8% maintenance and 7% fuel whereas the Hyundai was 40:15:45. So if I were to run a sensitivity analysis on future prices if the price of gas doubles what I had in my estimate (which was current gas price) then the lifecycle cost of the Hyundai would go up 45%. If electricity rates double my lifecycle cost of the Model Y would only go up 7%. Now I expect hydro to go up some percent but I d bet gas goes up much more than electricity does. So the Model Y is by far my preferred car of the ones mentioned it is cheaper over 10 years than the others and I can sit comfortably knowing that changes in future prices will have a minimal impact. Also the more you drive the more the numbers favor an EV. EDIT: I should note that your situation can be different based on regional electricity and gas prices as well if your area offers any EV rebates (mine does not). | 98 | 17 | 8,725 |
ofyidl | 408 | 1000 miles with Plaid So just crossed 1000 miles with Plaid and here are my impressions 😡 Dislikes: Windshield wasn t sealed on delivery (not a good first car wash experience) Interior panel does not stay clipped (waiting on replacement) Can t see available super chargers while navigation is active No controls for driving? Not sure what this is called exactly but in my M3 I could rock back and forth on hills or stop lights can t change on plaid. Other here have pointed out that it s called Roll. This is not an option for me at least. No caraoke? Rear entertainment is weird to use (independent audio?) No auto open close frunk? Occasional full pedal makes noticeable difference on battery Feel and hear the road much more compared to my M3 aero wheels with the windows down. Windows up I can t tell the difference between plaid and my LR 3. Someone pointed out that it may be due to wider and stickier tires. Front license plate holder? (At least it s painted same as car I hope it s just adhesive) 👍 Likes: Seats are great love the ventilation. Yes it s forced air and I think some people are thinking the sound of this is the active noise cancelling. Sounds like static but when you turn the vents off the sound stops as well. Acceleration is mind blowing Headlights follow the steering yoke when turning Adaptive suspension Yoke (I am a larger person so the wide yoke feels much better than the wheel) Auto open close trunk. Rear storage space Rear seating is much more comfortable than M3 Carbon fiber interior is sleek PPF on panels in front of rear wheels Walking up to the car causes excessive salivation Edit: formatting and emoji add clarification [pic of proof I have the car. won t be able to add pics of issues for a few days](https: ibb.co Qd2cQYw) | Sorry I m still stuck on windshield wasn t sealed... ... this is a $90k+ car right? And Tesla.has been sticking windshields in Model S for years? I m a Tesla fan and owner but this sh*t needs to improve. | Loved the last one | 163 | 2 | 8,726 |
ofyidl | 408 | 1000 miles with Plaid So just crossed 1000 miles with Plaid and here are my impressions 😡 Dislikes: Windshield wasn t sealed on delivery (not a good first car wash experience) Interior panel does not stay clipped (waiting on replacement) Can t see available super chargers while navigation is active No controls for driving? Not sure what this is called exactly but in my M3 I could rock back and forth on hills or stop lights can t change on plaid. Other here have pointed out that it s called Roll. This is not an option for me at least. No caraoke? Rear entertainment is weird to use (independent audio?) No auto open close frunk? Occasional full pedal makes noticeable difference on battery Feel and hear the road much more compared to my M3 aero wheels with the windows down. Windows up I can t tell the difference between plaid and my LR 3. Someone pointed out that it may be due to wider and stickier tires. Front license plate holder? (At least it s painted same as car I hope it s just adhesive) 👍 Likes: Seats are great love the ventilation. Yes it s forced air and I think some people are thinking the sound of this is the active noise cancelling. Sounds like static but when you turn the vents off the sound stops as well. Acceleration is mind blowing Headlights follow the steering yoke when turning Adaptive suspension Yoke (I am a larger person so the wide yoke feels much better than the wheel) Auto open close trunk. Rear storage space Rear seating is much more comfortable than M3 Carbon fiber interior is sleek PPF on panels in front of rear wheels Walking up to the car causes excessive salivation Edit: formatting and emoji add clarification [pic of proof I have the car. won t be able to add pics of issues for a few days](https: ibb.co Qd2cQYw) | Sorry I m still stuck on windshield wasn t sealed... ... this is a $90k+ car right? And Tesla.has been sticking windshields in Model S for years? I m a Tesla fan and owner but this sh*t needs to improve. | Can you please edit your post so that the bullet points line up correctly | 163 | 6 | 8,727 |
ofyidl | 408 | 1000 miles with Plaid So just crossed 1000 miles with Plaid and here are my impressions 😡 Dislikes: Windshield wasn t sealed on delivery (not a good first car wash experience) Interior panel does not stay clipped (waiting on replacement) Can t see available super chargers while navigation is active No controls for driving? Not sure what this is called exactly but in my M3 I could rock back and forth on hills or stop lights can t change on plaid. Other here have pointed out that it s called Roll. This is not an option for me at least. No caraoke? Rear entertainment is weird to use (independent audio?) No auto open close frunk? Occasional full pedal makes noticeable difference on battery Feel and hear the road much more compared to my M3 aero wheels with the windows down. Windows up I can t tell the difference between plaid and my LR 3. Someone pointed out that it may be due to wider and stickier tires. Front license plate holder? (At least it s painted same as car I hope it s just adhesive) 👍 Likes: Seats are great love the ventilation. Yes it s forced air and I think some people are thinking the sound of this is the active noise cancelling. Sounds like static but when you turn the vents off the sound stops as well. Acceleration is mind blowing Headlights follow the steering yoke when turning Adaptive suspension Yoke (I am a larger person so the wide yoke feels much better than the wheel) Auto open close trunk. Rear storage space Rear seating is much more comfortable than M3 Carbon fiber interior is sleek PPF on panels in front of rear wheels Walking up to the car causes excessive salivation Edit: formatting and emoji add clarification [pic of proof I have the car. won t be able to add pics of issues for a few days](https: ibb.co Qd2cQYw) | Sorry I m still stuck on windshield wasn t sealed... ... this is a $90k+ car right? And Tesla.has been sticking windshields in Model S for years? I m a Tesla fan and owner but this sh*t needs to improve. | By Interior panel does not stay clipped (waiting on replacement) do you mean the cover over the cup holder and storage area? Coincidentally I had the same issue and it should be fixed by mobile service tomorrow. | 163 | 6 | 8,728 |
ogls56 | 310 | Tesla Model S Long Range price increase by $5k up to $84 990 now & #x200B https: preview.redd.it qdu92y4fh3a71.png?width=517& format=png& auto=webp& s=2a93b651d7feab2826d3d26b18ae9f6ac4ce1b27 | I m not surprised. The Plaid is amazing but 3.1s 0-60 without rollout is already fast enough for 99% of the population. Definitely happy I ordered my Model S before that price increase though. | So did the Model X. Is this normal? I chatted with the rep and they keep giving me a generic response of “prices will fluctuate periodically” with no explanation. $5k isn t chump change.. | 165 | 50 | 8,729 |
ogls56 | 310 | Tesla Model S Long Range price increase by $5k up to $84 990 now & #x200B https: preview.redd.it qdu92y4fh3a71.png?width=517& format=png& auto=webp& s=2a93b651d7feab2826d3d26b18ae9f6ac4ce1b27 | This is just cause they had to pay scalper prices for ps5 chips | Seriously though what s up with all these price hikes? Is it because of the whole global shortage on parts chips? | 63 | 2 | 8,730 |
ogls56 | 310 | Tesla Model S Long Range price increase by $5k up to $84 990 now & #x200B https: preview.redd.it qdu92y4fh3a71.png?width=517& format=png& auto=webp& s=2a93b651d7feab2826d3d26b18ae9f6ac4ce1b27 | This is just cause they had to pay scalper prices for ps5 chips | I guess that takes away the potential $10k tax rebate. The car used to be under $80k ($79990) after rebate. | 63 | 4 | 8,731 |
ojf2lk | 50 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Ability to transfer EAP FSD license to new car purchase - perhaps only pay the difference between the current price and what was originally paid. | **MODEL Y** * Blind spot monitoring * Ventilated seats * Biohazard defense * Sentry view from app * More detailed battery and energy info from app * Better music integration (Apple Android) * Native Apple Watch app. * FSD | 102 | 43 | 8,732 |
ojf2lk | 50 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Navigation Waypoints for the 267849th time. | If a window is opens(front right) a person near it is detected and the nearest seat is empty. Disable the interior open button. This would hinder people from reaching through the window to open the car. Just a near security feature. | 46 | 3 | 8,733 |
okvhjv | 71 | FSD Beta V9 struggles to get on highway and correct itself by changing route Full video: [https: youtu.be HMn2VUui-LU](https: youtu.be HMn2VUui-LU) https: reddit.com link okvhjv video d5gs2kufdeb71 player | The only thing I m seeing here is that it didn t stop in the middle of the road to try and force a lane change - which is a great behavior to see. Correcting itself by changing route is a little generous as the blinker shuts off right when the lane change becomes illegal and standard rerouting takes place. | That s a cool camera setup. | 69 | 7 | 8,734 |
on0qd2 | 81 | Should I remove FSD from my lease build in light of the release of FSD subscription? I m pretty sure the answer is yes but I need someone smarter than me to chime in. Even if I keep the subscription over the life of my lease agreement I d still be paying less than 10k…but maybe that s an over simplification. Any thoughts? | As an FSD owner: you should not pay a dime for it until it actually provides a service worth the value. | Pricing may change in the future both in subscription and purchase. Nobody knows for sure. I purchased would again if I wanted it. I hate subscriptions. | 192 | 2 | 8,735 |
on0qd2 | 81 | Should I remove FSD from my lease build in light of the release of FSD subscription? I m pretty sure the answer is yes but I need someone smarter than me to chime in. Even if I keep the subscription over the life of my lease agreement I d still be paying less than 10k…but maybe that s an over simplification. Any thoughts? | As an FSD owner: you should not pay a dime for it until it actually provides a service worth the value. | For a lease? I definitely wouldn t buy FSD. | 192 | 11 | 8,736 |
on0qd2 | 81 | Should I remove FSD from my lease build in light of the release of FSD subscription? I m pretty sure the answer is yes but I need someone smarter than me to chime in. Even if I keep the subscription over the life of my lease agreement I d still be paying less than 10k…but maybe that s an over simplification. Any thoughts? | As an FSD owner: you should not pay a dime for it until it actually provides a service worth the value. | Current subscription cost equal approximately to 4 years of every month usage. And keep in mind FSD is overrated Autopilot is more than enough in 99% cases. | 192 | 20 | 8,737 |
oobhpc | 770 | Am I the only one who doesn t like the idea of non-Tesla s being able to use Superchargers? Sometimes we have to wait to charge as the amount of Tesla s on the road increase. This could get worse if the supercharger network is opened up like it may in Europe. I may be the asshole in the room but one of the perks of having a Tesla in my opinion is that we have our own charging network that is superior the third party ones. Thoughts? | To me it s less the “we get the superior network” and more “it s already busy enough with just Teslas” | Nope. I don t like it. I buy tesla for the charging network. Might get a porsche taycan if they do that. | 630 | 14 | 8,738 |
oobhpc | 770 | Am I the only one who doesn t like the idea of non-Tesla s being able to use Superchargers? Sometimes we have to wait to charge as the amount of Tesla s on the road increase. This could get worse if the supercharger network is opened up like it may in Europe. I may be the asshole in the room but one of the perks of having a Tesla in my opinion is that we have our own charging network that is superior the third party ones. Thoughts? | To me it s less the “we get the superior network” and more “it s already busy enough with just Teslas” | Other manufactures will never invest their time effort and money to be able to handshake and modify their charge ports (for US models). I had a Bolt and Kona EV and the EVGo and EA networks were god awful. Nearly half (usually more) of the chargers would be busted and it was always such a clunky ass interface. I ll never forget when I pulled into a 12 stall supercharger for the first time and just plugged in. No shitty app. No handshake errors. No broken chargers. No odd “by the minute fees”. Supercharger network alone is reason enough to choose Tesla. | 630 | 135 | 8,739 |
oobhpc | 770 | Am I the only one who doesn t like the idea of non-Tesla s being able to use Superchargers? Sometimes we have to wait to charge as the amount of Tesla s on the road increase. This could get worse if the supercharger network is opened up like it may in Europe. I may be the asshole in the room but one of the perks of having a Tesla in my opinion is that we have our own charging network that is superior the third party ones. Thoughts? | I get the initial gut reaction but if it leads to further investment in the network that means more chargers in more places. Our road trips will get even better if we can always charge from 10% to 60% on our schedules as more highway exits become home to super chargers. Forcing people to have Tesla account and buy a dongle connector to enable automatic billing will convert a bunch of people to Tesla for their next purchase. It s a good strategy. | It will be frustrating if Superchargers are full with non-Tesla vehicles. Seems like Supercharger capacity was built designed around the volume of Teslas on the road. Adding more vehicles leading to waiting will be frustrating to me. | 325 | 5 | 8,740 |
oof3zg | 120 | To people complaining about the 1500$ upfront requirement for FSD subscription: It s an unsustainable model to give $1 500 hardware to people in exchange for $199. It s pretty obvious that Tesla can t give you a free upgrade just because you subscribe to FSD. Otherwise everyone who owns a pre HW3 model would subscribe just for one month to get a free computer upgrade and increase the value of their car. People who bought FSD should get the hardware upgrade for free that was part of the deal. But it was never said that Tesla will upgrade your FSD hardware for free if you subscribe to it. There are more than 1 000 000 pre HW3 Tesla on the road. Did you expect Tesla to shell out (1500 -199 )x 1 000 000 = 1.3 billion $ ? | I have a car with the FSD computer but I understand why earlier owners would be bothered…. Tesla said - [All Tesla Cars Being Produced ***Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware*** (from October 2016)](https: www.tesla.com blog all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware). Seems self explanatory and it s still on Tesla s website. So if “All Tesla Cars Being Produced (since oct 2016) Have Full Self-Driving Hardware” the. What s the $1500 charge for? | If it costs you $1500 it costs tesla less. That being said they dripped it to $1k but Sri probably overpriced | 353 | 2 | 8,741 |
oof3zg | 120 | To people complaining about the 1500$ upfront requirement for FSD subscription: It s an unsustainable model to give $1 500 hardware to people in exchange for $199. It s pretty obvious that Tesla can t give you a free upgrade just because you subscribe to FSD. Otherwise everyone who owns a pre HW3 model would subscribe just for one month to get a free computer upgrade and increase the value of their car. People who bought FSD should get the hardware upgrade for free that was part of the deal. But it was never said that Tesla will upgrade your FSD hardware for free if you subscribe to it. There are more than 1 000 000 pre HW3 Tesla on the road. Did you expect Tesla to shell out (1500 -199 )x 1 000 000 = 1.3 billion $ ? | I have a car with the FSD computer but I understand why earlier owners would be bothered…. Tesla said - [All Tesla Cars Being Produced ***Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware*** (from October 2016)](https: www.tesla.com blog all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware). Seems self explanatory and it s still on Tesla s website. So if “All Tesla Cars Being Produced (since oct 2016) Have Full Self-Driving Hardware” the. What s the $1500 charge for? | Ignoring FSD Autosteer and TACC are still in Beta. Will they require v3 to get out of Beta? | 353 | 6 | 8,742 |
oof3zg | 120 | To people complaining about the 1500$ upfront requirement for FSD subscription: It s an unsustainable model to give $1 500 hardware to people in exchange for $199. It s pretty obvious that Tesla can t give you a free upgrade just because you subscribe to FSD. Otherwise everyone who owns a pre HW3 model would subscribe just for one month to get a free computer upgrade and increase the value of their car. People who bought FSD should get the hardware upgrade for free that was part of the deal. But it was never said that Tesla will upgrade your FSD hardware for free if you subscribe to it. There are more than 1 000 000 pre HW3 Tesla on the road. Did you expect Tesla to shell out (1500 -199 )x 1 000 000 = 1.3 billion $ ? | I have a car with the FSD computer but I understand why earlier owners would be bothered…. Tesla said - [All Tesla Cars Being Produced ***Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware*** (from October 2016)](https: www.tesla.com blog all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware). Seems self explanatory and it s still on Tesla s website. So if “All Tesla Cars Being Produced (since oct 2016) Have Full Self-Driving Hardware” the. What s the $1500 charge for? | Now watch the anger when HW3.5 and 4 come out and we re in the same boat. | 353 | 11 | 8,743 |
ooi0qy | 684 | Might get blasted for this but I think the hate against opening up the SC network is ridiculuous Probably not a welcome opinion here since I dont own a Tesla vehicle only stock. But after reading through the recent threads on sharing the super charging network I m turned away by the elitism and complaining. I 100 percent believe that Tesla opening the charging network is a carefully thought out decision and not just an Elon meme. I ll summarize for three quick reasons 1. **Government grants** - Its fairly obvious to everyone by now that Tesla chases government money. Subsidies bring down the cost of vehicles and provided the upfront capita needed to compete against established automakers. Under the new Biden administration there is a huge fund planned to spur EV adoption infrastructure and development Tesla will not want to miss out on this chunk of change. Opening up the network is how Tesla proves they are contributing to the renewable vehicle infrastructure that is how you go from pennies in subsidies to big fat cheques to build new chargers. 2. **Charging standards are more competitive** - Tesla plug types account for the overwhelming majority in North America (around 25k last time I checked) however CCS is the standard world wide and not only is it what Tesla switched to in Europe due to regulations and consumer demand but other standards like CHaDeMo are soon to be switched to CCS. Benefits and Cons for each standard aside its clear the world governments want to settle on one standard just like how you don t have to choose a different shaped nozzle when filling up your ICE vehicle I shouldnt have to worry about what adapter to bring when charging. 3. **Its Tesla s motto and will benefit Tesla owners and the EV industry** - Tesla has always aimed to make EVs mainstream and that wasnt ever expected to be only through them in a monopolistic system. By sharing the network it opens the door for other manufacturers vehicles to become more viable. It also surely forces other manufacturers to up their infrastructure rate so they dont lose their customers to charging at the nice shiny and convenient Tesla stalls (and possibly paying more to charge). I understand concerns about giving up competitive advantage but you all need understand that this would have ended eventually. The EV market is only growing and as more manufacturers started putting out their own chargers that all followed the CCS standard Tesla would end up in a situation similar to the Apple lightning charger vs USB C. However in this case it might end up worse for Tesla as they could be mandated by the government to switch to CCS without reaping any of the infrastructure fund benefits. To close out I get its annoying to share a crowded charging station with other non Tesla EV owners but this kind of clanish attitude and elitism over other brands is what ends up pushing people away from Tesla. Just think about it how would you feel if you used your adapter to charge at a non Tesla station and some dude in a Leaf rolled up and told you to f*** off? Lets all cool off and look at this objectively Tesla has not made this decision willy nilly and at the end of the day they could roll it back all together and my post will look stupid. | The issue currently is there are not enough super charges (at least in my area) to support the current Tesla owners. If this sparks the installation of more super charges I m all for this. If the amount stays the same then this is a failure. | I m only unhappy with the announcement if it doesn t coincide with a massive increase in the rate of SC sites going up. Tesla supercharger are objectively the best ev chargers out there and I d be happy if they dominated the market with their superior product service. I ve seen no indication from Elon that this change is going to benefit Tesla owners and in light of that I can only guess this is going to lead to complete congestion. Edit: Poorly handling this and in conjunction with the lack of FSD license transfer will lead to their customer loyalty taking a hit. | 430 | 61 | 8,744 |
ooi0qy | 684 | Might get blasted for this but I think the hate against opening up the SC network is ridiculuous Probably not a welcome opinion here since I dont own a Tesla vehicle only stock. But after reading through the recent threads on sharing the super charging network I m turned away by the elitism and complaining. I 100 percent believe that Tesla opening the charging network is a carefully thought out decision and not just an Elon meme. I ll summarize for three quick reasons 1. **Government grants** - Its fairly obvious to everyone by now that Tesla chases government money. Subsidies bring down the cost of vehicles and provided the upfront capita needed to compete against established automakers. Under the new Biden administration there is a huge fund planned to spur EV adoption infrastructure and development Tesla will not want to miss out on this chunk of change. Opening up the network is how Tesla proves they are contributing to the renewable vehicle infrastructure that is how you go from pennies in subsidies to big fat cheques to build new chargers. 2. **Charging standards are more competitive** - Tesla plug types account for the overwhelming majority in North America (around 25k last time I checked) however CCS is the standard world wide and not only is it what Tesla switched to in Europe due to regulations and consumer demand but other standards like CHaDeMo are soon to be switched to CCS. Benefits and Cons for each standard aside its clear the world governments want to settle on one standard just like how you don t have to choose a different shaped nozzle when filling up your ICE vehicle I shouldnt have to worry about what adapter to bring when charging. 3. **Its Tesla s motto and will benefit Tesla owners and the EV industry** - Tesla has always aimed to make EVs mainstream and that wasnt ever expected to be only through them in a monopolistic system. By sharing the network it opens the door for other manufacturers vehicles to become more viable. It also surely forces other manufacturers to up their infrastructure rate so they dont lose their customers to charging at the nice shiny and convenient Tesla stalls (and possibly paying more to charge). I understand concerns about giving up competitive advantage but you all need understand that this would have ended eventually. The EV market is only growing and as more manufacturers started putting out their own chargers that all followed the CCS standard Tesla would end up in a situation similar to the Apple lightning charger vs USB C. However in this case it might end up worse for Tesla as they could be mandated by the government to switch to CCS without reaping any of the infrastructure fund benefits. To close out I get its annoying to share a crowded charging station with other non Tesla EV owners but this kind of clanish attitude and elitism over other brands is what ends up pushing people away from Tesla. Just think about it how would you feel if you used your adapter to charge at a non Tesla station and some dude in a Leaf rolled up and told you to f*** off? Lets all cool off and look at this objectively Tesla has not made this decision willy nilly and at the end of the day they could roll it back all together and my post will look stupid. | The issue currently is there are not enough super charges (at least in my area) to support the current Tesla owners. If this sparks the installation of more super charges I m all for this. If the amount stays the same then this is a failure. | I don t think it s elitism it s just some people may view it as they paid a premium on their EV for the SC network. Personally I think it s a poor move by Tesla right now. I have a model 3 and was planning on getting a model Y in the next year. But if I can use the SC network with an ID4 or Mach E…then I may choose one of those over a model Y. | 430 | 94 | 8,745 |
oov0v1 | 624 | The yoke steering wheel looks great on the model 3 & #x200B https: preview.redd.it htd43kwfqlc71.jpg?width=2048& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=29c694462812dce93412c1ae6087464de40d4664 Took about a month to get It was a lot less expensive than the ones I have been seeing online (around $610 with shipping) looks and feels the same uses a real model 3 steering wheel core) It is a ton of fun to drive with (especially gunning it with 2 hands on the wheel) only awkward when turning sharp feels solid and safe. Took about 30 mins to swap over the wiring harness and install it | Pretty sure this was just an excuse for OP to flex on us with his sick ass train set | Where did you get it? I would love to see one on my X | 1,010 | 2 | 8,746 |
oov0v1 | 624 | The yoke steering wheel looks great on the model 3 & #x200B https: preview.redd.it htd43kwfqlc71.jpg?width=2048& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=29c694462812dce93412c1ae6087464de40d4664 Took about a month to get It was a lot less expensive than the ones I have been seeing online (around $610 with shipping) looks and feels the same uses a real model 3 steering wheel core) It is a ton of fun to drive with (especially gunning it with 2 hands on the wheel) only awkward when turning sharp feels solid and safe. Took about 30 mins to swap over the wiring harness and install it | Pretty sure this was just an excuse for OP to flex on us with his sick ass train set | QUESTION: Does anyone have a link to purchase these? | 1,010 | 2 | 8,747 |
oov0v1 | 624 | The yoke steering wheel looks great on the model 3 & #x200B https: preview.redd.it htd43kwfqlc71.jpg?width=2048& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=29c694462812dce93412c1ae6087464de40d4664 Took about a month to get It was a lot less expensive than the ones I have been seeing online (around $610 with shipping) looks and feels the same uses a real model 3 steering wheel core) It is a ton of fun to drive with (especially gunning it with 2 hands on the wheel) only awkward when turning sharp feels solid and safe. Took about 30 mins to swap over the wiring harness and install it | Pretty sure this was just an excuse for OP to flex on us with his sick ass train set | https: www.aliexpress.com item 1005002804709390.html Couple sellers on ali have the option for heated and non heated models for a little more at $500. These are OEM Tesla bases used. | 1,010 | 4 | 8,748 |
op4q0f | 41 | Advantages to Mirrorless Teslas Just thought I d throw this out here since I don t see anybody mentioning this possibility. Since the Cybertruck is supposedly going to be shipped without physical side mirrors I think that it is very possible that this could trickle down to other Tesla models as well. We aren t exactly sure how the camera feeds will be displayed to the driver but I d imagine that they will just be on-screen when a blinker is used or maybe can be brought up with a voice command. This seems like an easy improvement for Tesla cars in general as it would reduce costs by removing the motorized and heated component and the range gain could easily be in double digits. They also should be able to convert most non-new Tesla models over to mirrorless versions given they already have high quality repeater cameras. In my opinion as long as they get regulatory approval for the Cybertruck there would be no reason why they couldn t remove mirrors from older vehicles and use this system. Are there any major downsides that I m not seeing or reasons why this may not happen? & #x200B Edit: Supposedly other cars outside the US already employ camera-based mirrors like in the Audi e-tron. | It s roughly a 5% energy saving at speed so 400mi range becomes 420 mi. | > Since the Cybertruck is supposedly going to be shipped without physical side mirrors This has never been indicated. It ll have a digital rear view mirror if the prototype is anything to go by (and it may not be) but vehicles in the US *must* have physical side mirrors. | 49 | 12 | 8,749 |
op4q0f | 41 | Advantages to Mirrorless Teslas Just thought I d throw this out here since I don t see anybody mentioning this possibility. Since the Cybertruck is supposedly going to be shipped without physical side mirrors I think that it is very possible that this could trickle down to other Tesla models as well. We aren t exactly sure how the camera feeds will be displayed to the driver but I d imagine that they will just be on-screen when a blinker is used or maybe can be brought up with a voice command. This seems like an easy improvement for Tesla cars in general as it would reduce costs by removing the motorized and heated component and the range gain could easily be in double digits. They also should be able to convert most non-new Tesla models over to mirrorless versions given they already have high quality repeater cameras. In my opinion as long as they get regulatory approval for the Cybertruck there would be no reason why they couldn t remove mirrors from older vehicles and use this system. Are there any major downsides that I m not seeing or reasons why this may not happen? & #x200B Edit: Supposedly other cars outside the US already employ camera-based mirrors like in the Audi e-tron. | It s roughly a 5% energy saving at speed so 400mi range becomes 420 mi. | One disadvantage is that it takes your eyes slightly longer to change focus between the outside of the car and inside which they don t have to do with real mirrors. This decrease in awareness may seem insignificant but across the whole fleet it will have safety consequences. | 49 | 20 | 8,750 |
opd6gt | 118 | PSA: Tesla service centers are installing different colored tint. After a replacement of the top glass in my model 3 I noticed the new glass is a different tint and strength than the original. The new glass is a blue tint instead of black and it isn t quite as dark either. An unpleasant surprise since IMHO blue tint looks like shit on a black car. https: imgur.com a baNsFq5 Edit: New photos when wet. Straight down and from the side. https: imgur.com a K2RbOOv Edit #2: This service center opened on March 15 of 2020 so it s odd that they had stock of the pre-2019 glass. | **Hey everybody let me just clear the air as somebody who owns a glass company and has replaced many of these.** Older model 3s had an IR coated back glass meant to reject heat something they also used to do on the S windshields. Tesla found that there wasn t really much difference with or without it and switched in 2019 to regular laminated glass with a bit of smoke at the top. You can tell if you have the old style IR glass by getting it wet it will refract light and appear goldish-red. Now in your case it looks like you have had the older style backglass or roof installed. They are highly sought after and I would personally consider it an upgrade. No they are not installing blue glass in the new cars or anything like that. Judging by the chrome trim in you pics you have an older 3 that may be from the split year and your VIN may call for the older style glass. Hope this helps. | Sounds a bit more like a dye lot problem or the supplier couldn t acquire enough of the additives pigment needed to get the previous black - but this color was still within Tesla s tolerances. COVID supply chain shocks and constraints has caused a number of manufacturers to pivot. | 163 | 3 | 8,751 |
opd6gt | 118 | PSA: Tesla service centers are installing different colored tint. After a replacement of the top glass in my model 3 I noticed the new glass is a different tint and strength than the original. The new glass is a blue tint instead of black and it isn t quite as dark either. An unpleasant surprise since IMHO blue tint looks like shit on a black car. https: imgur.com a baNsFq5 Edit: New photos when wet. Straight down and from the side. https: imgur.com a K2RbOOv Edit #2: This service center opened on March 15 of 2020 so it s odd that they had stock of the pre-2019 glass. | **Hey everybody let me just clear the air as somebody who owns a glass company and has replaced many of these.** Older model 3s had an IR coated back glass meant to reject heat something they also used to do on the S windshields. Tesla found that there wasn t really much difference with or without it and switched in 2019 to regular laminated glass with a bit of smoke at the top. You can tell if you have the old style IR glass by getting it wet it will refract light and appear goldish-red. Now in your case it looks like you have had the older style backglass or roof installed. They are highly sought after and I would personally consider it an upgrade. No they are not installing blue glass in the new cars or anything like that. Judging by the chrome trim in you pics you have an older 3 that may be from the split year and your VIN may call for the older style glass. Hope this helps. | Thank you for the heads-up. I appreciate your wanting to let the community know. | 163 | 6 | 8,752 |
opd6gt | 118 | PSA: Tesla service centers are installing different colored tint. After a replacement of the top glass in my model 3 I noticed the new glass is a different tint and strength than the original. The new glass is a blue tint instead of black and it isn t quite as dark either. An unpleasant surprise since IMHO blue tint looks like shit on a black car. https: imgur.com a baNsFq5 Edit: New photos when wet. Straight down and from the side. https: imgur.com a K2RbOOv Edit #2: This service center opened on March 15 of 2020 so it s odd that they had stock of the pre-2019 glass. | **Hey everybody let me just clear the air as somebody who owns a glass company and has replaced many of these.** Older model 3s had an IR coated back glass meant to reject heat something they also used to do on the S windshields. Tesla found that there wasn t really much difference with or without it and switched in 2019 to regular laminated glass with a bit of smoke at the top. You can tell if you have the old style IR glass by getting it wet it will refract light and appear goldish-red. Now in your case it looks like you have had the older style backglass or roof installed. They are highly sought after and I would personally consider it an upgrade. No they are not installing blue glass in the new cars or anything like that. Judging by the chrome trim in you pics you have an older 3 that may be from the split year and your VIN may call for the older style glass. Hope this helps. | No reason to be consistent? The lengths people go to excuse Tesla s failings. I purchased the vehicle in a certain way and I fully expect it to be that same when I have it repaired. You d feel the same way if you took your phone in to replace the screen and when you got it back it had a blue tint to it? | 163 | 18 | 8,753 |
opfoug | 859 | National-wide Delivery Hold on All Refreshed Model S (Plaid and LR)! A massive nationwide delivery hold on all new refreshed Model S (Plaid and LR) has been going on for more than one week now. Numerous customers have been reporting this including myself whose cars have been sitting at the delivery center for more than two weeks now. (Soon to be) my car arrived at the delivery center about two weeks ago and was supposed to be delivered on 7 19 21 but got a call from the delivery team right AFTER the delivery was supposed to happen that it s been put on hold. All we know so far is that the Fremont engineering team has told the all the delivery centers nationwide to not deliver these cars to the customers and to wait for more instructions. My local delivery team has no clue as to what the issue is software or hardware or how serious it is. I m thinking it has to be a huge issue for them to put a pause on ALL Model S delivery.... Just an FYI if you re waiting for your Model S... & #x200B Update 7 23 21: Looks like several people have now reported that the hold has been LIFTED! And that we all should get our cars in the next couple of days!!! Someone mentioned it was a firmware update and that they needed to validate the cars. This Model S buying experience has been surreal after 4+ months of constant delays and almost no communication from Tesla. I hope it will be worth it. On a positive note I m glad Tesla is taking the time to validate and make sure it is safe even knowing they might get some bad press in the process I just wish the communication was a bit better. | I took delivery 7 13 and software is really buggy. Other than that no issues on the vehicle. | Oh god hope they haven t caught Boltitis | 200 | 11 | 8,754 |
opfoug | 859 | National-wide Delivery Hold on All Refreshed Model S (Plaid and LR)! A massive nationwide delivery hold on all new refreshed Model S (Plaid and LR) has been going on for more than one week now. Numerous customers have been reporting this including myself whose cars have been sitting at the delivery center for more than two weeks now. (Soon to be) my car arrived at the delivery center about two weeks ago and was supposed to be delivered on 7 19 21 but got a call from the delivery team right AFTER the delivery was supposed to happen that it s been put on hold. All we know so far is that the Fremont engineering team has told the all the delivery centers nationwide to not deliver these cars to the customers and to wait for more instructions. My local delivery team has no clue as to what the issue is software or hardware or how serious it is. I m thinking it has to be a huge issue for them to put a pause on ALL Model S delivery.... Just an FYI if you re waiting for your Model S... & #x200B Update 7 23 21: Looks like several people have now reported that the hold has been LIFTED! And that we all should get our cars in the next couple of days!!! Someone mentioned it was a firmware update and that they needed to validate the cars. This Model S buying experience has been surreal after 4+ months of constant delays and almost no communication from Tesla. I hope it will be worth it. On a positive note I m glad Tesla is taking the time to validate and make sure it is safe even knowing they might get some bad press in the process I just wish the communication was a bit better. | I took delivery 7 13 and software is really buggy. Other than that no issues on the vehicle. | Hopefully it s not a hardware issue and they are waiting for some critical software update. Pure conjecture but at first I though it might have something to do with that Plaid that caught fire a few weeks ago in Pennsylvania. Probably not though as I would think they d have to do something about all the refreshed cars that have already been delivered. | 200 | 33 | 8,755 |
opfoug | 859 | National-wide Delivery Hold on All Refreshed Model S (Plaid and LR)! A massive nationwide delivery hold on all new refreshed Model S (Plaid and LR) has been going on for more than one week now. Numerous customers have been reporting this including myself whose cars have been sitting at the delivery center for more than two weeks now. (Soon to be) my car arrived at the delivery center about two weeks ago and was supposed to be delivered on 7 19 21 but got a call from the delivery team right AFTER the delivery was supposed to happen that it s been put on hold. All we know so far is that the Fremont engineering team has told the all the delivery centers nationwide to not deliver these cars to the customers and to wait for more instructions. My local delivery team has no clue as to what the issue is software or hardware or how serious it is. I m thinking it has to be a huge issue for them to put a pause on ALL Model S delivery.... Just an FYI if you re waiting for your Model S... & #x200B Update 7 23 21: Looks like several people have now reported that the hold has been LIFTED! And that we all should get our cars in the next couple of days!!! Someone mentioned it was a firmware update and that they needed to validate the cars. This Model S buying experience has been surreal after 4+ months of constant delays and almost no communication from Tesla. I hope it will be worth it. On a positive note I m glad Tesla is taking the time to validate and make sure it is safe even knowing they might get some bad press in the process I just wish the communication was a bit better. | I took delivery 7 13 and software is really buggy. Other than that no issues on the vehicle. | Took delivery 7 15… Los Angeles | 200 | 52 | 8,756 |
oslg9l | 41 | Black synthetic leather owners do you see any gray discoloration spots on your seats and if so how do you deal prevent them ? I have noticed little areas in the driver and passenger seats that seem to be discoloration from the leather almost as if liquid has fallen on it and left a mark but as we don t eat and drink in our car besides water- I fail to see what it can be other than moisture drying off in the sun leaving the “leather” a lighter grey color than the original black. | I ve had water stain the seats like this for whatever reason. Comes off super easily with any interior detailer cleaner sprays I ve used. | Try r autodetailing | 28 | 2 | 8,757 |
ou2f6k | 38 | [Tesla Store] Ordered a Tesla Wall charger and received two charging units. Anyone have a similar experience? Hey All & #x200B Ordered a Tesla charger from the store and they sent two units ([https: imgur.com a 5lZkfjQ](https: imgur.com a 5lZkfjQ)). I have spent a good twenty minutes trying to contact Tesla and have called them and emailed twice but still no response. Has anyone had this happen before and get subsequently contacted by Tesla for a return? My ultimate plan will be to sell it 2nd hand if they fail to get back to me after a month. Not fond of storing their equipment and taking that liability for more than a month. | According to the FTC legally you don t have to return it: https: www.consumer.ftc.gov articles what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#unordered | Dibs! But in all seriousness you did what you could if they don t respond by next week then sell it on https: www.reddit.com r teslaclassifieds | 80 | 2 | 8,758 |
ou2f6k | 38 | [Tesla Store] Ordered a Tesla Wall charger and received two charging units. Anyone have a similar experience? Hey All & #x200B Ordered a Tesla charger from the store and they sent two units ([https: imgur.com a 5lZkfjQ](https: imgur.com a 5lZkfjQ)). I have spent a good twenty minutes trying to contact Tesla and have called them and emailed twice but still no response. Has anyone had this happen before and get subsequently contacted by Tesla for a return? My ultimate plan will be to sell it 2nd hand if they fail to get back to me after a month. Not fond of storing their equipment and taking that liability for more than a month. | According to the FTC legally you don t have to return it: https: www.consumer.ftc.gov articles what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#unordered | You aren t obligated to send or give it back. I d keep it for a month like a you said then sell it. | 80 | 9 | 8,759 |
ou2f6k | 38 | [Tesla Store] Ordered a Tesla Wall charger and received two charging units. Anyone have a similar experience? Hey All & #x200B Ordered a Tesla charger from the store and they sent two units ([https: imgur.com a 5lZkfjQ](https: imgur.com a 5lZkfjQ)). I have spent a good twenty minutes trying to contact Tesla and have called them and emailed twice but still no response. Has anyone had this happen before and get subsequently contacted by Tesla for a return? My ultimate plan will be to sell it 2nd hand if they fail to get back to me after a month. Not fond of storing their equipment and taking that liability for more than a month. | According to the FTC legally you don t have to return it: https: www.consumer.ftc.gov articles what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#unordered | Hopefully you didn t get double charged for your double chargers. | 80 | 34 | 8,760 |
ov99lg | 374 | How many owners have Autopilot and use it for most of your driving? (I do) If not why not? I have a Tesla model Y and every time I get into the car I use auto pilot at every possible opportunity. My wife however does not. I don t understand this. She tells me that she doesn t trust auto pilot as much as I do so I guess I understand a little. How many of you feel the same way as she does? And why? | I use AP a lot esp in stop and go freeway traffic before the pandemic. I have to turn off NoA frequently because it consistently thinks I m in the wrong lane on Seattle area highways and the constant alerting and slowing down is annoying. | I use it all the time in the highway. However when it comes to traffic… I tend to manually disengage more. I do wish I had EAP cus I would not buy FSD or subscribe at its current form now. | 160 | 5 | 8,761 |
ov99lg | 374 | How many owners have Autopilot and use it for most of your driving? (I do) If not why not? I have a Tesla model Y and every time I get into the car I use auto pilot at every possible opportunity. My wife however does not. I don t understand this. She tells me that she doesn t trust auto pilot as much as I do so I guess I understand a little. How many of you feel the same way as she does? And why? | I use AP a lot esp in stop and go freeway traffic before the pandemic. I have to turn off NoA frequently because it consistently thinks I m in the wrong lane on Seattle area highways and the constant alerting and slowing down is annoying. | I don t really use it because I enjoy driving the car myself | 160 | 10 | 8,762 |
ov99lg | 374 | How many owners have Autopilot and use it for most of your driving? (I do) If not why not? I have a Tesla model Y and every time I get into the car I use auto pilot at every possible opportunity. My wife however does not. I don t understand this. She tells me that she doesn t trust auto pilot as much as I do so I guess I understand a little. How many of you feel the same way as she does? And why? | For me it s not about “trust.” I use it every time I m on the highway. Never on city streets because Autopilot on city streets drives like a dick. Slams on the brakes at the last minute waits a bit then floors it. | I use it all the time in the highway. However when it comes to traffic… I tend to manually disengage more. I do wish I had EAP cus I would not buy FSD or subscribe at its current form now. | 135 | 5 | 8,763 |
ov9o1q | 32 | On the fence about Model X seat config I m getting a Model X with two kids (2 year and 1 month old). My wife wants the 6 seater so that there is access to the back seats with car seats in place. I wanted the 7 seater so that it can fold flat but would assume I then don t have access to the very rear seats. Any owners have experience preference regrets with this? | We waited for a 6 seater after many 7 seater SUVs (different brand). My friend got a 7 seater X. He regrets. We re very happy. 6 seater is the best option for us and most families I know. Bench seats in the middle make the back seat mostly useless. | We have 6 seater and it s awesome. Are getting another 6 seater. Access to the back and space between the bucket seats is so nice. My wife also was the one who pushed for it. I also doubted the expense but as always wife knows best. | 40 | 2 | 8,764 |
ov9o1q | 32 | On the fence about Model X seat config I m getting a Model X with two kids (2 year and 1 month old). My wife wants the 6 seater so that there is access to the back seats with car seats in place. I wanted the 7 seater so that it can fold flat but would assume I then don t have access to the very rear seats. Any owners have experience preference regrets with this? | We waited for a 6 seater after many 7 seater SUVs (different brand). My friend got a 7 seater X. He regrets. We re very happy. 6 seater is the best option for us and most families I know. Bench seats in the middle make the back seat mostly useless. | 7 seater is solid. Seats are really only for kids and maybe smaller adults for short trips. Mine are folded down most of the time. Car doesn t have enough rear storage for our use when they are up. | 40 | 4 | 8,765 |
ov9o1q | 32 | On the fence about Model X seat config I m getting a Model X with two kids (2 year and 1 month old). My wife wants the 6 seater so that there is access to the back seats with car seats in place. I wanted the 7 seater so that it can fold flat but would assume I then don t have access to the very rear seats. Any owners have experience preference regrets with this? | We waited for a 6 seater after many 7 seater SUVs (different brand). My friend got a 7 seater X. He regrets. We re very happy. 6 seater is the best option for us and most families I know. Bench seats in the middle make the back seat mostly useless. | 7 Seater folds flat and gives you more storage space than the 6 seater option. | 40 | 5 | 8,766 |
ovt5qf | 1,392 | Friend successfully recovered lost impact video. My friend was rear ended and the party fled the scene. He somehow chased caught up with her and got her insurance details. When he went home and checked his SSD for impact video it was deleted and it was as though nothing has happened. The videos were from before the impact and after the impact. The exact rear ending video was “deleted”. So finally he came across this link: https: github.com ccbrown teslacam-recovery Which helped him recover the impact video. Kudos to the developer. Posting it here so that it helps someone else. Tesla should seriously work on fixing this life saving feature instead of dumb games. | > Tesla should seriously work on fixing this life saving feature instead of dumb games. Here! Here! My dash cam randomly stops working and takes fiddling to get working again but I can play a fart sound outside the car. | Thanks for sharing very helpful! | 84 | 17 | 8,767 |
ovt5qf | 1,392 | Friend successfully recovered lost impact video. My friend was rear ended and the party fled the scene. He somehow chased caught up with her and got her insurance details. When he went home and checked his SSD for impact video it was deleted and it was as though nothing has happened. The videos were from before the impact and after the impact. The exact rear ending video was “deleted”. So finally he came across this link: https: github.com ccbrown teslacam-recovery Which helped him recover the impact video. Kudos to the developer. Posting it here so that it helps someone else. Tesla should seriously work on fixing this life saving feature instead of dumb games. | Yeah I hit some junk on the road a few days ago waited a few minutes then hit save. The clips are in 59s chunks and with 2-3 seconds between each clip based on the time stamp. Guess which 2-3s per minute I hit it in? The gap right. This is on a T5 Samsung 500GB. It s not a drive issue. Sentry is poorly written and your chances of missing the critical moment are 1 15 or so. | It s definitely an achilles heel of the UI. Great that there are community solutions to save people but the anxiety alone knowing that I may need a home-brewed solution that may not work well does not make me love the car more. | 44 | 2 | 8,768 |
ovt5qf | 1,392 | Friend successfully recovered lost impact video. My friend was rear ended and the party fled the scene. He somehow chased caught up with her and got her insurance details. When he went home and checked his SSD for impact video it was deleted and it was as though nothing has happened. The videos were from before the impact and after the impact. The exact rear ending video was “deleted”. So finally he came across this link: https: github.com ccbrown teslacam-recovery Which helped him recover the impact video. Kudos to the developer. Posting it here so that it helps someone else. Tesla should seriously work on fixing this life saving feature instead of dumb games. | Yeah I hit some junk on the road a few days ago waited a few minutes then hit save. The clips are in 59s chunks and with 2-3 seconds between each clip based on the time stamp. Guess which 2-3s per minute I hit it in? The gap right. This is on a T5 Samsung 500GB. It s not a drive issue. Sentry is poorly written and your chances of missing the critical moment are 1 15 or so. | I used to have “save on horn” enabled and noticed that every time I honked AND manually saved it would delete the clip. I believe it tries to do both and overloads the car. After I turned off the save on horn and only manually saved I had no problems. | 44 | 2 | 8,769 |
ow2vxr | 42 | Model S with tall driver and front facing car stats I m millimeters away from placing an order but need some validation that I m not going crazy. I m 6 7” and have a car seat behind me. I m honestly tired of having kids kicking the daylights out of the back of my seats. I had been looking at the 7 series bmw but the Tesla makes more sense. A quick online search was fruitless. For those of you with an s and car seats- is there plenty of space (kids not being able to kick the seat is bonus points) got what I m looking for? Thanks in advance. | Just get the plaid version and whenever they kick the seats as accelerate those feet back to where they belong. | I have my S set to the longest leg setting and don t even notice when there are passengers in the back. | 114 | 4 | 8,770 |
ow2vxr | 42 | Model S with tall driver and front facing car stats I m millimeters away from placing an order but need some validation that I m not going crazy. I m 6 7” and have a car seat behind me. I m honestly tired of having kids kicking the daylights out of the back of my seats. I had been looking at the 7 series bmw but the Tesla makes more sense. A quick online search was fruitless. For those of you with an s and car seats- is there plenty of space (kids not being able to kick the seat is bonus points) got what I m looking for? Thanks in advance. | Just get the plaid version and whenever they kick the seats as accelerate those feet back to where they belong. | I am of the same size. Works well. But kids being 5 years or older will be able to kick your seat. | 114 | 6 | 8,771 |
ow2vxr | 42 | Model S with tall driver and front facing car stats I m millimeters away from placing an order but need some validation that I m not going crazy. I m 6 7” and have a car seat behind me. I m honestly tired of having kids kicking the daylights out of the back of my seats. I had been looking at the 7 series bmw but the Tesla makes more sense. A quick online search was fruitless. For those of you with an s and car seats- is there plenty of space (kids not being able to kick the seat is bonus points) got what I m looking for? Thanks in advance. | Just get the plaid version and whenever they kick the seats as accelerate those feet back to where they belong. | Tell your kids stop kicking your seat? I mean - if you re looking for a lot of space for your kids get an S class. You need to go to a TSLA dealership and try it out. The S is not as long as you think. You ll feel the kicks. Get the X if you re looking specifically for a TSLA. | 114 | 29 | 8,772 |
owrs1m | 47 | Performance Boost Upgrade My spouse and I both have LRAWD M3s. My car has the option to upgrade to performance boost but his does not. Mine is a 2018 VIN 100xxx and his is a 2019 VIN 345xxx. Anyone have any idea why mine would have the option but his would not? | UPDATE: My husband s is actually a RWD which explains why he doesn t have the option for upgrade to performance boost! This is news to us since he bought his used last year from a non-Tesla dealer. For the past year we thought it was AWD. We finally found the specification through the online details about his car under his account. Sorry it took so long to get the update back. He actually went out of town right before I posted this so we ve been doing this async. Hilarious side note we re actually a gay male couple. So the jokes about me buying shoes to get back at him for spending $2k without me knowing literally made me laugh. Thanks for that. Seriously I love it. Thanks for everyone s help and knowledge! Really appreciate it! | Did you perchance purchase the 2019 used? | 39 | 2 | 8,773 |
ox3rvy | 188 | OPINION: Premium Connectivity should automatically included with FSD subscription. Tesla does a terrible job at bundles or encouraging repeat sales. As someone with two Tesla s there s no way to share premium connectivity they don t have a loyalty program for retaining your information if you purchase another vehicle (they treat you like a new buyer) and given the cost of the FSD subscription it should automatically include premium connectivity. | Premium connectivity just isn t worth it. All you get is satellite maps and traffic colors for $10 mo. Everything else can be had with hotspot which is less of a hassle with the new 2021.24 update. If they added live camera streaming and remote dashcam access that would be worth it imo. | Disagree - they are not the same thing | 37 | 5 | 8,774 |
ox5xx5 | 52 | My speculation on the Dojo and HW 4 chips Many have seen the Dojo HPC chip Dennis Hong has put out. Here are my speculations on this and HW4. 1. It s clear that the Dojo chip and HW4 are different chips. As what has been reported on the DOJO chip will be manufactured by TSMC while HW4 by Samsung. 7nm for dojo and 5nm for HW4. However the NPU would share the same design I suspect. 2. The chip IP of Dojo is developed by Broadcom and tesla. Broadcom has all the heritage IP in CPU attenna and other chips on the system. Tesla s main contribution is the NPU. TSMC contributes the system on wafer tech and the chip packaging. The highlight here is the extremely fast communication between NPUs which necessitates the thermal management. No PCB is visible because they are not used because of TSMC s SoW tech. The heavy use of metal is for heat removal. This is an extremely powerful chip! 3. It s specialized not a GPU. As such Andrej and the AI team have to come up with the software for training this chip. They would work closely with Pytorch team on this. Elon mentioned that the DOJO will have thousands of this powerful chip. The implications is that they will train enormous Neural network models. 4. The SoW design overcomes the high throughput issue that many encounter during training large-models. NVDA solve this by buying another company. Tesla solved this by putting chips really close and removing heat quickly. This is absolutely necessary for video training. I have personally met this issue before. 5. The performance of this chip will be out of the world. There has been report that saying a wafer will only produce 25 chips for the DOJO chip which is enormous. and the power consumption will be low. Expect Elon to boast the performance and efficiency numbers to the moon. 6. Since it s a specialized chip Andrej Karpathy and the AI team have to be involved. That means tesla s FSD strategy is very focused and clear. It s a high risk and high reward move. Super gutsy. I personally have some reservations on Tesla s strategy but glad to see Tesla is willing to go all out. In addition my reservations are mainly on the speed of the progress not the ultimate achievability. 7. Tesla AI have been developing software to use this beast and they need more talent to achieve this. Of course Tesla HPC infrastructure is critical in this picture too. Expect them to show off some fancy tools to enable the large-scale training of NN models. 8. HW4 will be a watered down version of the DOJO chip. Basically it doesn t require the extreme compute and thermal removal standards of the DOJO. It will use the newer version of NPU. Tesla is definitely an AI Soft+Hard -ware company & #x200B EDITs: I typed in the original post in a short amount of time due to the excitement. As such there are some details and clarifications in order s1. many raised the issue of difference between training and inference. Yes they are quite different in terms of hardware and software needs. So what I am saying is that the DOJO chip and HW4 chip would share the same Neural Processing Unit which efficiently does the operations involved in neural networks. The DOJO chip has additional designs that are optimized for training large models that consume video data. That is what the system on wafer and TSMC packaging tech are for. HW4 doesn t have such requirements. It would probably just upgrade HW3 gpus and cpus and replace the HW3 NPU with the new NPU inside DOJO. s2. Points regarding software. Andrej and the AI team have to come up with the layer of software that is designed for linking the new hardware design and instruction set with higher level of pytorch library which tesla uses to build and train their neural network. They would work closely with the pytorch team on this. Because the chip is designed to optimize specific set of NN architectures such software effort is indispensable. They cannot just use regular pytorch build on top of the new hardware. | > However the NPU would share the same design I suspect. Given training and inference have quite different compute needs I don t think this will be the case. | > Dojo chip and HW4 are different chips. They re doing completely different things with very different thermal envelopes so I would hope so. > ndrej and the AI team have to come up with the software for training this chip. As opposed to the off-the-shelf driving training software? > W4 will be a watered down version of the DOJO chip I doubt they will be significantly related. And wait didn t you say that in point one? | 40 | 11 | 8,775 |
oxeemx | 68 | How will Giga Texas impact Model Y offering? I didn t find too much information speculation about this but if Giga Texas is really going to produce Model Y s with a structural pack and 4680 s how is this going to impact their product offering? We know that those two improvements should both reduce the weight AND the cost of the car so that probably means more range for cheaper? If the new models offer significantly more range is it possible that the current LR becomes Standard and they offer a new LR version built in Texas? I m thinking about buying a Model Y this year and I feel like this would be the worst timing if they release an upgrade just a few weeks after I receive one... Any speculation on what would be their new lineup? Thanks! | I wouldn t expect for any dramatic price decrease or range increases. They are battery constrained so they will probably reduce the size of the battery in each vehicle to match the current range. If they were to keep the same size battery and therefore increase the range substantially then they would hurt the desirability of the other vehicles. Any changes would have to be very small or be done consistently across the lineup which I doubt they ll do. The demand still outpaces production which is why they ve been increasing prices. There is currently no need for them to make the numbers better for the consumer. I think Tesa will benefit the most from 4680s and just be able to pump out more cars with fewer resources. Just my take. | I bet they don t know these answers yet themselves. A lot can change by then…chip supply 2170 supply 4680 supply etc. Eventually I assume they will retool Fremont to have structural Y (and 3?) there as well since it s less expensive to make. Naturally they won t take down Fremont for retooling at least until Austin is at capacity (2024?). My guess thru 2023 is Fremont produces SR+ Y nationally with 2170s and Austin produces AWD P nationally with 4680s. Austin starts w P and once that demand is less than capacity they shift AWD to Austin. This approach keeps the same basic product lineup and aligns higher end models with best battery tech and structural body over time. | 86 | 2 | 8,776 |
oxeemx | 68 | How will Giga Texas impact Model Y offering? I didn t find too much information speculation about this but if Giga Texas is really going to produce Model Y s with a structural pack and 4680 s how is this going to impact their product offering? We know that those two improvements should both reduce the weight AND the cost of the car so that probably means more range for cheaper? If the new models offer significantly more range is it possible that the current LR becomes Standard and they offer a new LR version built in Texas? I m thinking about buying a Model Y this year and I feel like this would be the worst timing if they release an upgrade just a few weeks after I receive one... Any speculation on what would be their new lineup? Thanks! | I wouldn t expect for any dramatic price decrease or range increases. They are battery constrained so they will probably reduce the size of the battery in each vehicle to match the current range. If they were to keep the same size battery and therefore increase the range substantially then they would hurt the desirability of the other vehicles. Any changes would have to be very small or be done consistently across the lineup which I doubt they ll do. The demand still outpaces production which is why they ve been increasing prices. There is currently no need for them to make the numbers better for the consumer. I think Tesa will benefit the most from 4680s and just be able to pump out more cars with fewer resources. Just my take. | I think they d start by using fewer cells to keep the range the same. That lowers Tesla s cost of production and drives up the margin. | 86 | 9 | 8,777 |
oxeemx | 68 | How will Giga Texas impact Model Y offering? I didn t find too much information speculation about this but if Giga Texas is really going to produce Model Y s with a structural pack and 4680 s how is this going to impact their product offering? We know that those two improvements should both reduce the weight AND the cost of the car so that probably means more range for cheaper? If the new models offer significantly more range is it possible that the current LR becomes Standard and they offer a new LR version built in Texas? I m thinking about buying a Model Y this year and I feel like this would be the worst timing if they release an upgrade just a few weeks after I receive one... Any speculation on what would be their new lineup? Thanks! | I wouldn t expect for any dramatic price decrease or range increases. They are battery constrained so they will probably reduce the size of the battery in each vehicle to match the current range. If they were to keep the same size battery and therefore increase the range substantially then they would hurt the desirability of the other vehicles. Any changes would have to be very small or be done consistently across the lineup which I doubt they ll do. The demand still outpaces production which is why they ve been increasing prices. There is currently no need for them to make the numbers better for the consumer. I think Tesa will benefit the most from 4680s and just be able to pump out more cars with fewer resources. Just my take. | Alternatively Tesla keeps the range and price roughly the same and pockets the savings to fund further expansion. Those hoping for a $40k 400 mile range Model Y might be disappointed. | 86 | 30 | 8,778 |
oxks66 | 50 | Plaid has very little power drop-off at high speeds? Will other models follow suit? One of the most impressive things that I ve noticed about Plaid is that it doesn t seem to have much of a drop-off in power as its speed increases unlike every other Tesla. Does anyone know why this is or if this technological advancement will translate to other models? Everyone knows one of the least impressive aspects of Teslas electric cars is the power drop-off at higher speeds. It seems like Tesla has figured out the answer with the Plaid but will they implement it into all of their models? What exactly makes the Plaid different in this manner? | The fact that the voltage doesn t seem to drop off at lower states of charge is very interesting. We still don t know what makes the Plaid battery pack special (and it IS special) but once Sandy Munro starts tearing down his Plaid we ll know! Hopefully later this month. | The new model s lr also has better high end acceleration. Hopefully this makes its way to model 3 and Y performance. | 57 | 20 | 8,779 |
oxks66 | 50 | Plaid has very little power drop-off at high speeds? Will other models follow suit? One of the most impressive things that I ve noticed about Plaid is that it doesn t seem to have much of a drop-off in power as its speed increases unlike every other Tesla. Does anyone know why this is or if this technological advancement will translate to other models? Everyone knows one of the least impressive aspects of Teslas electric cars is the power drop-off at higher speeds. It seems like Tesla has figured out the answer with the Plaid but will they implement it into all of their models? What exactly makes the Plaid different in this manner? | This is all about motor design and whether or not it ll carry over to other models will be a matter of cost. Some serious physics is involved in understanding this fully but basically the faster the rotor spins the stronger the EM field it creates which works against the EM field of the motor giving a net reduction in HP. At least some of the elimination of this back EMF is due to the carbon overwrapped rotor instead of steel how economical that process is will determine if other models will get it. | I am wondering why they limit the power so much at higher rpm in model 3 Y. You can go those speeds so it isn t rotor speed. I can t imagine you stomping on it at 80 for 3 seconds Vs doing the same at 30 produces too much more heat. Anyone know the limiting factor and why the power and torque curve drops top end? | 42 | 6 | 8,780 |
ozylgl | 52 | Early 2019 MR vs 2021 SR+ Carvana quoted a little over $39K for my March 2019 Midrange a car I paid $40K for back then (black no AP cheapest M3 at the time). Im debating selling and getting into a SR+ but wanted to know what im losing if anything really. You cant find modern numbers for range and 0-60 but I think its the same ish? So im losing floor mats rear heated and a few speakers but gain AP new dash heat pump HW3 etc. Anything im missing? I have to pay sales tax again and Dest Doc of course. | I have a 2021 SR+ (delivered in March). My thoughts: - you can enable the rear-heated seats for $300. (Via software) - you re right that floor mats and some speakers are missing (honestly though the sound system is still really good). And you are getting HW3 and AP (I do like AP for road trips quite a lot) - the power trunk is really nice - they are small changes but I definitely prefer the new materials and design on the interior - cabin noise (at highway speeds) while still high is definitely lower than in my friend s 2018 LR - I know some 2019 MRs had 62kwh batteries… the SR+ battery is around 54kwh. For what it s worth (driving in hot and flat Florida under 75 mph) I am actually still getting about 250 to 260 miles worth of range (based on some road trips) Also maybe I was lucky or maybe the build quality of the cars is going up because it s really great so far. It doesn t creak (like my friend s 2018 LR) either (yet anyway). I pulled the trigger when it was 37 500 and I regret nothing. This is an amazing car. | I have 2019 SR+ and there is option to buy rear heated seats. Cost is $300 I think. As for sales tax I think sales tax is net of trade in value. So depending on sales tax rate and difference between trade in and carvana price trade in might be better in some cases especially if the value is this high. | 40 | 3 | 8,781 |
ozylgl | 52 | Early 2019 MR vs 2021 SR+ Carvana quoted a little over $39K for my March 2019 Midrange a car I paid $40K for back then (black no AP cheapest M3 at the time). Im debating selling and getting into a SR+ but wanted to know what im losing if anything really. You cant find modern numbers for range and 0-60 but I think its the same ish? So im losing floor mats rear heated and a few speakers but gain AP new dash heat pump HW3 etc. Anything im missing? I have to pay sales tax again and Dest Doc of course. | I have a 2021 SR+ (delivered in March). My thoughts: - you can enable the rear-heated seats for $300. (Via software) - you re right that floor mats and some speakers are missing (honestly though the sound system is still really good). And you are getting HW3 and AP (I do like AP for road trips quite a lot) - the power trunk is really nice - they are small changes but I definitely prefer the new materials and design on the interior - cabin noise (at highway speeds) while still high is definitely lower than in my friend s 2018 LR - I know some 2019 MRs had 62kwh batteries… the SR+ battery is around 54kwh. For what it s worth (driving in hot and flat Florida under 75 mph) I am actually still getting about 250 to 260 miles worth of range (based on some road trips) Also maybe I was lucky or maybe the build quality of the cars is going up because it s really great so far. It doesn t creak (like my friend s 2018 LR) either (yet anyway). I pulled the trigger when it was 37 500 and I regret nothing. This is an amazing car. | I have a 2019 sr+ was thinking similar but moving to the LR. I think even with newer vehicles you can pay to enable the rear heated seats. You would gain 2 more years on warranty would lose fog lights frunk hooks subwoofers. Do you have free music streaming now? | 40 | 3 | 8,782 |
ozylgl | 52 | Early 2019 MR vs 2021 SR+ Carvana quoted a little over $39K for my March 2019 Midrange a car I paid $40K for back then (black no AP cheapest M3 at the time). Im debating selling and getting into a SR+ but wanted to know what im losing if anything really. You cant find modern numbers for range and 0-60 but I think its the same ish? So im losing floor mats rear heated and a few speakers but gain AP new dash heat pump HW3 etc. Anything im missing? I have to pay sales tax again and Dest Doc of course. | I have a 2021 SR+ (delivered in March). My thoughts: - you can enable the rear-heated seats for $300. (Via software) - you re right that floor mats and some speakers are missing (honestly though the sound system is still really good). And you are getting HW3 and AP (I do like AP for road trips quite a lot) - the power trunk is really nice - they are small changes but I definitely prefer the new materials and design on the interior - cabin noise (at highway speeds) while still high is definitely lower than in my friend s 2018 LR - I know some 2019 MRs had 62kwh batteries… the SR+ battery is around 54kwh. For what it s worth (driving in hot and flat Florida under 75 mph) I am actually still getting about 250 to 260 miles worth of range (based on some road trips) Also maybe I was lucky or maybe the build quality of the cars is going up because it s really great so far. It doesn t creak (like my friend s 2018 LR) either (yet anyway). I pulled the trigger when it was 37 500 and I regret nothing. This is an amazing car. | Check out a couple more sites like vroom cargurus etc. I was offered $36-37k for a 18 LR RWD on multiple sites but went with carguru who offered 39 500 | 40 | 5 | 8,783 |
p0ju9f | 53 | AP steering wheel tolerance changed with latest update? anyone else noticed the change in tolerance to auto-pilot when asking you to touch the wheel? prior to the last update finger on the wheel was enough now i get barked at. | The nag increases in frequency depending on detected attention from the cabin camera | I noticed this last night too but figured it was just more sensitive because it was raining. Idk though now that you bring it up too | 50 | 3 | 8,784 |
p0ju9f | 53 | AP steering wheel tolerance changed with latest update? anyone else noticed the change in tolerance to auto-pilot when asking you to touch the wheel? prior to the last update finger on the wheel was enough now i get barked at. | The nag increases in frequency depending on detected attention from the cabin camera | Yes definitely something has changed here too (UK) | 50 | 4 | 8,785 |
p0ju9f | 53 | AP steering wheel tolerance changed with latest update? anyone else noticed the change in tolerance to auto-pilot when asking you to touch the wheel? prior to the last update finger on the wheel was enough now i get barked at. | i just turn the volume knob up down one | I noticed this last night too but figured it was just more sensitive because it was raining. Idk though now that you bring it up too | 34 | 3 | 8,786 |
p0sy0e | 46 | A question for Tesla owners. My question is too the Tesla owners that live in regions with winter and hopefully rural states as I am from SW Montana. How is it to drive in these regions? What challenges do you face with it being more secluded. Would you suggest the model 3 or model Y and model S for these areas? Edit: I am looking into buying a Tesla and in all my research 95% of reviews or insight is from people that live in metropolitan areas with easy access to charge stations and winter doesn t exist. Edit 2: Thank you all for overwhelming positive response! It s awesome all the tips experience and helpful tools you ve all shared! And sorry ahead of time if I don t get to your comment I wasn t expecting such great feed back! | Reporting in from cold Manitoba in Canada. Great advise here from other get good winter tires. I would also suggest additional rims stock or something similar in weight. In -30°C weather expect 30 to 50% drop in battery range depending on how you heat your cabin. Preheat as much as possible while charging. Cold batteries will reduce regeneration capability so driving is different in colder weather for one pedal driving you will have to use your actual breaks more often and is on a sliding scale so it adjusts with the temperature of the battery. Colder batteries also adjust charging speeds as well. It can take longer to get the battery to optimal charging temperatures (charging will start off slower then amp up - even with preconditioning it can take awhile). Even with the major drop in range most of them our driving is well within the adjusted range. Mostly city driving with a few 100km day trips. Late 2018 Model 3 SR+ | Are you talking about traction being able to actually drive or the range? The former any Tesla will do fine with snow tires (this is coming from someone who go skiing in the Colorado mountains). But range can decrease by as much as 40-50% under extreme cold (0°F or less) conditions. | 67 | 3 | 8,787 |
p0sy0e | 46 | A question for Tesla owners. My question is too the Tesla owners that live in regions with winter and hopefully rural states as I am from SW Montana. How is it to drive in these regions? What challenges do you face with it being more secluded. Would you suggest the model 3 or model Y and model S for these areas? Edit: I am looking into buying a Tesla and in all my research 95% of reviews or insight is from people that live in metropolitan areas with easy access to charge stations and winter doesn t exist. Edit 2: Thank you all for overwhelming positive response! It s awesome all the tips experience and helpful tools you ve all shared! And sorry ahead of time if I don t get to your comment I wasn t expecting such great feed back! | Reporting in from cold Manitoba in Canada. Great advise here from other get good winter tires. I would also suggest additional rims stock or something similar in weight. In -30°C weather expect 30 to 50% drop in battery range depending on how you heat your cabin. Preheat as much as possible while charging. Cold batteries will reduce regeneration capability so driving is different in colder weather for one pedal driving you will have to use your actual breaks more often and is on a sliding scale so it adjusts with the temperature of the battery. Colder batteries also adjust charging speeds as well. It can take longer to get the battery to optimal charging temperatures (charging will start off slower then amp up - even with preconditioning it can take awhile). Even with the major drop in range most of them our driving is well within the adjusted range. Mostly city driving with a few 100km day trips. Late 2018 Model 3 SR+ | The main advantage of the Y in snowy conditions is the ground clearance (about an inch more). It could make a difference. The 3 is available in RWD which may be a fine choice on snow tires but otherwise pick an AWD one. All Ys are AWD. Battery capacity and range are about the same. The Y is on a slightly more efficient heating cooling system but is a bit taller so it s a wash. | 67 | 6 | 8,788 |
p0sy0e | 46 | A question for Tesla owners. My question is too the Tesla owners that live in regions with winter and hopefully rural states as I am from SW Montana. How is it to drive in these regions? What challenges do you face with it being more secluded. Would you suggest the model 3 or model Y and model S for these areas? Edit: I am looking into buying a Tesla and in all my research 95% of reviews or insight is from people that live in metropolitan areas with easy access to charge stations and winter doesn t exist. Edit 2: Thank you all for overwhelming positive response! It s awesome all the tips experience and helpful tools you ve all shared! And sorry ahead of time if I don t get to your comment I wasn t expecting such great feed back! | Reporting in from cold Manitoba in Canada. Great advise here from other get good winter tires. I would also suggest additional rims stock or something similar in weight. In -30°C weather expect 30 to 50% drop in battery range depending on how you heat your cabin. Preheat as much as possible while charging. Cold batteries will reduce regeneration capability so driving is different in colder weather for one pedal driving you will have to use your actual breaks more often and is on a sliding scale so it adjusts with the temperature of the battery. Colder batteries also adjust charging speeds as well. It can take longer to get the battery to optimal charging temperatures (charging will start off slower then amp up - even with preconditioning it can take awhile). Even with the major drop in range most of them our driving is well within the adjusted range. Mostly city driving with a few 100km day trips. Late 2018 Model 3 SR+ | You should use tesla.com findus or tesla.com trips to make sure there are enough Superchargers to get you to where you need yo go. Other than that get the one which will make you the happiest. | 67 | 23 | 8,789 |
p0t6lr | 75 | My experience road tripping in a performance model 3 In sure many versions of this have been posted but I m currently stopped at my last charging break before getting home and thought others may be interested. I could ve made it all the way but I wouldn t have woken up with a full charge. I just went from LA to San Francisco (388 miles from home to destination) and back specifically to test things for myself. I let the car drive nearly the entire time. All settings were left as I drive which is sport everything. First off I spent $90.34 on supercharging (this does not include my current charge because I would have made it on the charge prior to this) which when compared to my Honda Accord needing two full tanks at $4.35 is technically cheaper but not substantially. Second the stock tires wheels suspension leave something to be desired in terms of comfort but really aren t that bad. I was more worried about damage wear in a construction zone. Third and I think this is the best part I had severe range anxiety because when I drive manually I burn through my battery pretty quick (I didn t buy the fast one to go slow). But when left to do its own thing (75mph auto pilot) it was very efficient compared to me and every estimate was grossly underrated. This is only one trip but I definitely believe that the more you let the car drive the more you can trust the built-in map. Finally basic auto pilot is definitely all you need even though I really enjoy auto lane change. I have the fsd subscription (canceled) and like everyone else has also said it just doesn t offer much in its current state. Everything that is good about it is free. I haven t ever gotten self park to work basic summon is okay if your garage is truly too tight to open the door advanced summon annoys other people when it works and annoys me when it doesn t. I have high hopes for the near future but not now. Edit: I have been informed many times that I could do this cheaper with better planning. However I tried to drive like I would normally and that is a bad idea I guess. | $90 for an 800 mile trip seems very high. I drove from Florida to Texas and back which is about 2400 miles and it was only about $100. However I did noticed that while superchargers in Florida charge by the kW the chargers in Alabama Mississippi Louisiana and Texas all charge by the minute and seemed to end up costing quite a bit less than Florida. Were you charged by the kW? If so what was the cost per kW and how many kW did you charge? | Just want to echo your experience as I did the exact same observations during some longer trips this summer after owning our M3P since March this year. | 45 | 2 | 8,790 |
p0t6lr | 75 | My experience road tripping in a performance model 3 In sure many versions of this have been posted but I m currently stopped at my last charging break before getting home and thought others may be interested. I could ve made it all the way but I wouldn t have woken up with a full charge. I just went from LA to San Francisco (388 miles from home to destination) and back specifically to test things for myself. I let the car drive nearly the entire time. All settings were left as I drive which is sport everything. First off I spent $90.34 on supercharging (this does not include my current charge because I would have made it on the charge prior to this) which when compared to my Honda Accord needing two full tanks at $4.35 is technically cheaper but not substantially. Second the stock tires wheels suspension leave something to be desired in terms of comfort but really aren t that bad. I was more worried about damage wear in a construction zone. Third and I think this is the best part I had severe range anxiety because when I drive manually I burn through my battery pretty quick (I didn t buy the fast one to go slow). But when left to do its own thing (75mph auto pilot) it was very efficient compared to me and every estimate was grossly underrated. This is only one trip but I definitely believe that the more you let the car drive the more you can trust the built-in map. Finally basic auto pilot is definitely all you need even though I really enjoy auto lane change. I have the fsd subscription (canceled) and like everyone else has also said it just doesn t offer much in its current state. Everything that is good about it is free. I haven t ever gotten self park to work basic summon is okay if your garage is truly too tight to open the door advanced summon annoys other people when it works and annoys me when it doesn t. I have high hopes for the near future but not now. Edit: I have been informed many times that I could do this cheaper with better planning. However I tried to drive like I would normally and that is a bad idea I guess. | $90 for an 800 mile trip seems very high. I drove from Florida to Texas and back which is about 2400 miles and it was only about $100. However I did noticed that while superchargers in Florida charge by the kW the chargers in Alabama Mississippi Louisiana and Texas all charge by the minute and seemed to end up costing quite a bit less than Florida. Were you charged by the kW? If so what was the cost per kW and how many kW did you charge? | You only went 75 mph? (-: | 45 | 4 | 8,791 |
p0t6lr | 75 | My experience road tripping in a performance model 3 In sure many versions of this have been posted but I m currently stopped at my last charging break before getting home and thought others may be interested. I could ve made it all the way but I wouldn t have woken up with a full charge. I just went from LA to San Francisco (388 miles from home to destination) and back specifically to test things for myself. I let the car drive nearly the entire time. All settings were left as I drive which is sport everything. First off I spent $90.34 on supercharging (this does not include my current charge because I would have made it on the charge prior to this) which when compared to my Honda Accord needing two full tanks at $4.35 is technically cheaper but not substantially. Second the stock tires wheels suspension leave something to be desired in terms of comfort but really aren t that bad. I was more worried about damage wear in a construction zone. Third and I think this is the best part I had severe range anxiety because when I drive manually I burn through my battery pretty quick (I didn t buy the fast one to go slow). But when left to do its own thing (75mph auto pilot) it was very efficient compared to me and every estimate was grossly underrated. This is only one trip but I definitely believe that the more you let the car drive the more you can trust the built-in map. Finally basic auto pilot is definitely all you need even though I really enjoy auto lane change. I have the fsd subscription (canceled) and like everyone else has also said it just doesn t offer much in its current state. Everything that is good about it is free. I haven t ever gotten self park to work basic summon is okay if your garage is truly too tight to open the door advanced summon annoys other people when it works and annoys me when it doesn t. I have high hopes for the near future but not now. Edit: I have been informed many times that I could do this cheaper with better planning. However I tried to drive like I would normally and that is a bad idea I guess. | Agree with most points except basic autopilot being all that s good about FSD. I use auto lane change (press blinker to move over a lane not Navigate on Autopilot) constantly and would miss it dearly if I didn t have it. | Just want to echo your experience as I did the exact same observations during some longer trips this summer after owning our M3P since March this year. | 31 | 2 | 8,792 |
p1i6h1 | 333 | Tesla please allow OTA updates over premium connectivity even if it s a low speeds during off peak hours. When you subscribe to a cellular data plan with data caps the carrier will usually let you use data at very low speed if you breach the cap so that you can at least still check your emails. Usually the speed is too low to do anything else (less 100kB sec) and will not work at all during busy hours because your data packets have the lowest priority. However that would be enough and perfectly fine for a car that needs to download a few hundred megabytes of data every few weeks and doesn t mind doing so during off peak hours (1AM to 5AM) . Everyone has wifi at home BUT Tesla s wifi Antenna is notoriously bad. I have 4 5 wifi on my smartphone in my Tesla but the car won t even pick up the wifi SSID. I checked on google and here and I m not the only one with that problem. Given that a significant portion of people park their cars on their driveway far from the wifi router it doesn t surprise me that no wifi is a common issue. Premium connectivity should let you download OTA updates and if Tesla only allowed the car to do that at very low speeds during off peak hours I m sure they could negotiate a deal with the mobile phone operators at a negligible incremental cost. If anyone knows how to get the message to Tesla please do so. | I wish we could download updates to a phone and pass it to the car through the app over Bluetooth or USB. The car could check hashes via mobile connection without having to do the full download. | Tesla likely pays for data used not just for speed. Are downloading updates still an issue? You get notified via the app that a software update is available. At that point if you have no other alternative you can tether your phone. Alternately in your case if you park in a garage or driveway near your house you can either install a WiFi range extender or convert your home to a mesh network (Google Wifi or one of the many alternatives). I dumped my Verizon router and replaced it with 3 Google Wifi nodes and have had no issues. | 57 | 2 | 8,793 |
p1i6h1 | 333 | Tesla please allow OTA updates over premium connectivity even if it s a low speeds during off peak hours. When you subscribe to a cellular data plan with data caps the carrier will usually let you use data at very low speed if you breach the cap so that you can at least still check your emails. Usually the speed is too low to do anything else (less 100kB sec) and will not work at all during busy hours because your data packets have the lowest priority. However that would be enough and perfectly fine for a car that needs to download a few hundred megabytes of data every few weeks and doesn t mind doing so during off peak hours (1AM to 5AM) . Everyone has wifi at home BUT Tesla s wifi Antenna is notoriously bad. I have 4 5 wifi on my smartphone in my Tesla but the car won t even pick up the wifi SSID. I checked on google and here and I m not the only one with that problem. Given that a significant portion of people park their cars on their driveway far from the wifi router it doesn t surprise me that no wifi is a common issue. Premium connectivity should let you download OTA updates and if Tesla only allowed the car to do that at very low speeds during off peak hours I m sure they could negotiate a deal with the mobile phone operators at a negligible incremental cost. If anyone knows how to get the message to Tesla please do so. | I wish we could download updates to a phone and pass it to the car through the app over Bluetooth or USB. The car could check hashes via mobile connection without having to do the full download. | Tesla likely pays for GB for internet usage for Premium Connectivity so there s likely little upside for Tesla to do this. Even at very slow speeds a GB is a GB. Also I believe Tesla has pushed updates this way in the past possibly just critical security updates. | 57 | 7 | 8,794 |
p1i6h1 | 333 | Tesla please allow OTA updates over premium connectivity even if it s a low speeds during off peak hours. When you subscribe to a cellular data plan with data caps the carrier will usually let you use data at very low speed if you breach the cap so that you can at least still check your emails. Usually the speed is too low to do anything else (less 100kB sec) and will not work at all during busy hours because your data packets have the lowest priority. However that would be enough and perfectly fine for a car that needs to download a few hundred megabytes of data every few weeks and doesn t mind doing so during off peak hours (1AM to 5AM) . Everyone has wifi at home BUT Tesla s wifi Antenna is notoriously bad. I have 4 5 wifi on my smartphone in my Tesla but the car won t even pick up the wifi SSID. I checked on google and here and I m not the only one with that problem. Given that a significant portion of people park their cars on their driveway far from the wifi router it doesn t surprise me that no wifi is a common issue. Premium connectivity should let you download OTA updates and if Tesla only allowed the car to do that at very low speeds during off peak hours I m sure they could negotiate a deal with the mobile phone operators at a negligible incremental cost. If anyone knows how to get the message to Tesla please do so. | I wish we could download updates to a phone and pass it to the car through the app over Bluetooth or USB. The car could check hashes via mobile connection without having to do the full download. | Tesla still pushes updates if you don t connect to WiFi but you won t get them as often as when connected to WiFi. Also if you stream a movie or a few episodes on the car when you have Premium Connectivity that uses up more data than most updates. I wouldn t worry too much about getting the latest updates because different cars have different versions as the latest . You will still eventually get an update. As far as contacting somebody at Tesla to give them the idea to allow all available updates through 4G with Premium Connectivity the only way is to Tweet at Elon Musk. | 57 | 10 | 8,795 |
p1y1d6 | 49 | Model Y acceleration boost? Has anyone done this upgrade? If so is it worth it? Every time I open my Tesla app it just sitting there tempting me to push the button. | Stop opening your app. | go as fast as you can. 😁 | 39 | 2 | 8,796 |
p1y1d6 | 49 | Model Y acceleration boost? Has anyone done this upgrade? If so is it worth it? Every time I open my Tesla app it just sitting there tempting me to push the button. | Stop opening your app. | Best ever! | 39 | 2 | 8,797 |
p1y1d6 | 49 | Model Y acceleration boost? Has anyone done this upgrade? If so is it worth it? Every time I open my Tesla app it just sitting there tempting me to push the button. | Stop opening your app. | I did it soon as it came out… fucking love it… it had a noticeable slow speed before but now it s just right the acceleration… the car is made to go faster it wants to go faster unleash the Tesla… I d do it again if I could. | 39 | 2 | 8,798 |
p2dytp | 75 | Is there line of sight to phantom braking being fixed? Strongly considering a Model Y but had a really bad experience this weekend. Rode in a friend s and within a 20 minute stretch on the highway we had phantom braking 5 times. Luckily there was nobody behind us otherwise could have caused an accident. My wife is now adamantly against the Tesla especially as a family car. Is this something that will eventually be fixed via software update? Or is new hardware needed? I know the other option is to simply not use Autopilot but that s half the reason I want a Tesla. | Could be fixed? Sure hypothetically. Will be? Probably not. There are plenty of people with Vision cars reporting problems with phantom braking so radar simply cannot be the scapegoat anymore. | I have a model X. I don t use cruise control at all anymore. If it s not phantom braking it s the AI thinking it needs to slam on the breaks when there s no need to. | 65 | 16 | 8,799 |
p2dytp | 75 | Is there line of sight to phantom braking being fixed? Strongly considering a Model Y but had a really bad experience this weekend. Rode in a friend s and within a 20 minute stretch on the highway we had phantom braking 5 times. Luckily there was nobody behind us otherwise could have caused an accident. My wife is now adamantly against the Tesla especially as a family car. Is this something that will eventually be fixed via software update? Or is new hardware needed? I know the other option is to simply not use Autopilot but that s half the reason I want a Tesla. | Our vision only MY has only had one serious phantom brake in 2500 miles. No reason for it. It will occasionally brake slowly on winding undivided roads especially with elevation changes but generally figures it out and isn t uncomfortable just dumb. Using it on major highways in reasonable conditions we have never had an issue. Using the system on smaller more challenging roads opens you up to more phantom braking. | I have a model X. I don t use cruise control at all anymore. If it s not phantom braking it s the AI thinking it needs to slam on the breaks when there s no need to. | 55 | 16 | 8,800 |
p2dytp | 75 | Is there line of sight to phantom braking being fixed? Strongly considering a Model Y but had a really bad experience this weekend. Rode in a friend s and within a 20 minute stretch on the highway we had phantom braking 5 times. Luckily there was nobody behind us otherwise could have caused an accident. My wife is now adamantly against the Tesla especially as a family car. Is this something that will eventually be fixed via software update? Or is new hardware needed? I know the other option is to simply not use Autopilot but that s half the reason I want a Tesla. | Could be fixed? Sure hypothetically. Will be? Probably not. There are plenty of people with Vision cars reporting problems with phantom braking so radar simply cannot be the scapegoat anymore. | The plan is to get Tesla Vision detection good enough that they solve the [fundamental problem of object detection](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=NSDTZQdo6H8& t=656s) to the point they no longer need radar [which is the cause of phantom braking](https: youtu.be NSDTZQdo6H8?t=1427) according to Andrej Karpathy Tesla s chief autopilot architect. | 65 | 27 | 8,801 |
p2fufe | 1,595 | US Senate passes amendment that removes eligibility for EV tax credit if you make more than $100k (and the car is over $40k) https: www.washingtonpost.com business on-small-business senate-closes-in-on-vote-on-budget-framework-congress-update 2021 08 10 46697b00-fa47-11eb-911c-524bc8b68f17_story.html > Republican Senator Deb Fischer of Nebraska proposed prohibiting people making more than $100 000 a year from claiming EV tax credits and to end tax credits for EVs that cost more than $40 000 -- levels that would exclude many of the electric vehicles on the market or planned to come to the market in the next few years including those promoted by President Joe Biden recently at the White House. This amendment passed 51-48 so it looks like there s no incentive on the horizon for all you folks who were holding out. [Ars lists](https: arstechnica.com cars 2021 08 senate-votes-to-restrict-ev-tax-credits-despite-climate-crisis ) the only battery vehicles that qualify: > Perhaps more significantly Sen. Fischer s amendment also restricts the tax credit to EVs that cost less than $40 000. Consequently the only battery EVs that will still be eligible for the tax credit will be the **Hyundai Ioniq Electric** ($34 250) **Hyundai Kona EV** ($38 565) **Mini Cooper SE** ($30 750) and the **Nissan Leaf S Plus** ($39 220). Chevrolet s Bolt EV and Bolt EUV are both below the price threshold but in 2019 the automaker sold its 200 000th plug-in vehicle at which point the tax credit began to phase out. It s unfortunate that there s *any* restrictions being imposed on the electrification of the US auto market but if this is the cost of getting those who are least likely to be able to afford an EV (lower income folks) to consider purchasing this is better than nothing. | FULL DISCLOSURE: It s a non-binding amendment that s still up for debate. (OP didn t mention that part). The Senate voted 51-48 for a non-binding amendment to the budget resolution aimed at limiting who can get a tax break for buying an electric car or truck and which vehicles qualify potentially shaping the coming debate as Democrats prepare to expand the tax credit. | So only two of the 6 vehicles under the threshold are American made. Great job law makers! | 745 | 3 | 8,802 |
p2fufe | 1,595 | US Senate passes amendment that removes eligibility for EV tax credit if you make more than $100k (and the car is over $40k) https: www.washingtonpost.com business on-small-business senate-closes-in-on-vote-on-budget-framework-congress-update 2021 08 10 46697b00-fa47-11eb-911c-524bc8b68f17_story.html > Republican Senator Deb Fischer of Nebraska proposed prohibiting people making more than $100 000 a year from claiming EV tax credits and to end tax credits for EVs that cost more than $40 000 -- levels that would exclude many of the electric vehicles on the market or planned to come to the market in the next few years including those promoted by President Joe Biden recently at the White House. This amendment passed 51-48 so it looks like there s no incentive on the horizon for all you folks who were holding out. [Ars lists](https: arstechnica.com cars 2021 08 senate-votes-to-restrict-ev-tax-credits-despite-climate-crisis ) the only battery vehicles that qualify: > Perhaps more significantly Sen. Fischer s amendment also restricts the tax credit to EVs that cost less than $40 000. Consequently the only battery EVs that will still be eligible for the tax credit will be the **Hyundai Ioniq Electric** ($34 250) **Hyundai Kona EV** ($38 565) **Mini Cooper SE** ($30 750) and the **Nissan Leaf S Plus** ($39 220). Chevrolet s Bolt EV and Bolt EUV are both below the price threshold but in 2019 the automaker sold its 200 000th plug-in vehicle at which point the tax credit began to phase out. It s unfortunate that there s *any* restrictions being imposed on the electrification of the US auto market but if this is the cost of getting those who are least likely to be able to afford an EV (lower income folks) to consider purchasing this is better than nothing. | FULL DISCLOSURE: It s a non-binding amendment that s still up for debate. (OP didn t mention that part). The Senate voted 51-48 for a non-binding amendment to the budget resolution aimed at limiting who can get a tax break for buying an electric car or truck and which vehicles qualify potentially shaping the coming debate as Democrats prepare to expand the tax credit. | Guys this is a NON-binding useless resolution !!!!!!!! | 745 | 4 | 8,803 |
p2fufe | 1,595 | US Senate passes amendment that removes eligibility for EV tax credit if you make more than $100k (and the car is over $40k) https: www.washingtonpost.com business on-small-business senate-closes-in-on-vote-on-budget-framework-congress-update 2021 08 10 46697b00-fa47-11eb-911c-524bc8b68f17_story.html > Republican Senator Deb Fischer of Nebraska proposed prohibiting people making more than $100 000 a year from claiming EV tax credits and to end tax credits for EVs that cost more than $40 000 -- levels that would exclude many of the electric vehicles on the market or planned to come to the market in the next few years including those promoted by President Joe Biden recently at the White House. This amendment passed 51-48 so it looks like there s no incentive on the horizon for all you folks who were holding out. [Ars lists](https: arstechnica.com cars 2021 08 senate-votes-to-restrict-ev-tax-credits-despite-climate-crisis ) the only battery vehicles that qualify: > Perhaps more significantly Sen. Fischer s amendment also restricts the tax credit to EVs that cost less than $40 000. Consequently the only battery EVs that will still be eligible for the tax credit will be the **Hyundai Ioniq Electric** ($34 250) **Hyundai Kona EV** ($38 565) **Mini Cooper SE** ($30 750) and the **Nissan Leaf S Plus** ($39 220). Chevrolet s Bolt EV and Bolt EUV are both below the price threshold but in 2019 the automaker sold its 200 000th plug-in vehicle at which point the tax credit began to phase out. It s unfortunate that there s *any* restrictions being imposed on the electrification of the US auto market but if this is the cost of getting those who are least likely to be able to afford an EV (lower income folks) to consider purchasing this is better than nothing. | FULL DISCLOSURE: It s a non-binding amendment that s still up for debate. (OP didn t mention that part). The Senate voted 51-48 for a non-binding amendment to the budget resolution aimed at limiting who can get a tax break for buying an electric car or truck and which vehicles qualify potentially shaping the coming debate as Democrats prepare to expand the tax credit. | As someone whose next EV will not qualify for the tax credit if this passes that s fine. I don t need the credit. | 745 | 5 | 8,804 |
p2ru6h | 53 | Questions for any Tesla technicians on here. Currently I m a technician for Mercedes Benz I have a previous manager I ve worked with before that is offering me a role at our local Tesla dealer. It seems Tesla doesn t recognize higher level new hirings it seems that I would have to start s3 level does this seems normal. Also do you feel your job is ever in jeopardy as in they can just clean house when they feel like it? And If you were currently employed elsewhere would you accept less than your currently making to switch to Tesla. Edit: Just want to add thank you to everyone s thoughts about this. All were read and also a few DMs. EV will be the standard for sure in the coming years. I will be filling out the application and wait and see what s what from here. 👍 | I would switch. Tesla is gonna dominate the market soon and if you learn to work on these cars now bigger and better body shops will want you | What country are you in? | 66 | 2 | 8,805 |
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