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kq9z6w | 2,692 | Not being able to adjust regen braking on Model 3 is straight up dangerous in snow I live in a cold and snowy climate and often drive up to our cabin in the mountains in winter. They plough the roads here but do not salt and it is a legal requirement to have winter tires. Often at higher altitudes and on gravel roads there is still some standing snow on the road. When driving last weekend the car would fishtail often whenever the regen braking kicked in which is almost impossible to avoid. I don t know why they removed the option to adjust it but at the very least it would be great to have a Snow function where things like regen are dialed back for safety and chill mode is turned on. As it is right now it performs worse than our front wheel drive ICE car with winter tires and is seriously pretty sketchy to drive at times. Edit: I have the 2021 Model 3 Long Range Edit 2: This kinda blew up. 1. If it wasn t clear in my post I have winter tires which were ordered through Tesla. 2. The counterargument here seems to be that Tesla drivers should feather the throttle . That works fine in mild winter conditions in my experience under ideal driving conditions. Where it doesn t work well is driving on roads with standing snow. If you are driving on an empty road where you can slow down well in advance you can manage to deal with it. But if for example a pedestrian or other obstacle is on the other side of a blind corner this is extremely dangerous. 3. This seems to be yet another example where 50% of Redditors put 100% of the burden on the driver and the other 50% are trying to hold Tesla accountable for basic safety features. This dynamic drives me kinda nuts to be honest. What s the harm in pointing out obvious issues for a car that promises to be constantly improving through software updates? Edit 3: you heard it here first folks I m coining a new term “Telsasplaining”: the art of blaming all QC issues safety faults and other obvious Tesla flaws on the driver rather than the company who makes the cars. | As Teslabjorn has said a few times they need a snow mode. | Although I hate it when driving the 2013 Leaf will disable regen for a few seconds if traction control kicks in. Really annoying when going down a steep hill and slide on a manhole cover. Still better to be annoyed than sliding left and right so maybe Tesla should do something similar only better. Sadly even feathering the accelerator only works unless the slide is right between full regen and brake at which point you will be bouncing between the 2. Or bring the option back and maybe call it icy conditions or something so you don t have regen randomly turning off and on while driving. | 1,214 | 10 | 7,906 |
kqhk8k | 86 | Accessibility question. My wife is blind I have been looking into getting a Tesla but one of the biggest issues we have had with modern cars is their removal of physical inputs. This has been a problem because as my wife is blind she would be unable to interact with things and possibly changing things in ways completely unintended. So does anyone know if the touchscreen on a Tesla has accessibility options like a screen reader for blind people? Before you laugh understand this is actually a big concern especially if you are touting self driving as a feature. If Self driving ever comes I would be a great boone for my wife and countless others as well as their spouses and children. Also understand screen readers are also only as good as the labels on the application. A button labeled button or list labeled list means nothing. Also how the person interacts with the GUI is also of importance. Take our LG range the APP has a dial so you can turn the temperature up or down. This isn t compatible with a screen reader. Before you ask I am sighted and so are our children. | Similar questions of accessibility have been asked recently and the answer for now is that accessibility support is very poor. The passenger door has physical controls for the window and door open. Everything else is accomplished by the touchscreen (music volume climate). There is some degree of voice control but it must be activated with a button on the steering wheel. If Tesla is listening there are obviously missing options such as increasing the font size custom color for low vision or colorblind and volume control for alerts and turn signals. | I could be wrong but I do not believe they have a screen reader. However you can control a lot of things with voice with the button on the steering wheel. | 65 | 11 | 7,907 |
kqhk8k | 86 | Accessibility question. My wife is blind I have been looking into getting a Tesla but one of the biggest issues we have had with modern cars is their removal of physical inputs. This has been a problem because as my wife is blind she would be unable to interact with things and possibly changing things in ways completely unintended. So does anyone know if the touchscreen on a Tesla has accessibility options like a screen reader for blind people? Before you laugh understand this is actually a big concern especially if you are touting self driving as a feature. If Self driving ever comes I would be a great boone for my wife and countless others as well as their spouses and children. Also understand screen readers are also only as good as the labels on the application. A button labeled button or list labeled list means nothing. Also how the person interacts with the GUI is also of importance. Take our LG range the APP has a dial so you can turn the temperature up or down. This isn t compatible with a screen reader. Before you ask I am sighted and so are our children. | I m a web accessibility developer and currently Tesla s infotainment system is not very accessible. | Currently no. Though I imagine one will come eventually for your stated reason of touting autonomy. I d also expect a voice activation phrase for the voice commands at some point | 32 | 2 | 7,908 |
kqhzde | 266 | The last wiping while washing windshield in cold weather makes a mess. Tesla please allow us more control over our wipers. As many have stated here a Snow Mode is a must in our cars for those living in cold weather areas. And if Tesla is looking to implement this then please remove the last wiping from the windshield washing function during winter. Here s why: whenever you drive on busy winter highways after a snowfall and the roads are still wet from molten snow and ice cars in front of you raise this dirty mist that causes your windshield to become brown so you must continuously use the windshield washing function to keep it clean. On the Model 3 and Y it throws washing fluid to the blades and perform three wipings. After the third wipe the windshield is crystal clear and it would remain like this at least for the next 3-5 minutes. But no... The car wants to make sure the windshield is as dry as possible so a second after the third wipe it performs this fourth and last one. During summer that s ok and it does work as intended. But during winter this last one screws everything and makes the windshield all dirty and messy again especially when it s really cold outside. So please if you do implement Snow mode please remove the last wiping either when the car is above a certain speed or if the temperature is below a certain degree. Otherwise it messes the cleaning. Thanks. | If you press the wiper button again to the first detent after the second wipe it ll override and interrupt the cycle and not do the delayed last swipe. It does do a higher speed wipe but testing today didn t seem to make it worse. It s not the best solution as it requires a bit of timing but at least didn t shmust up the windshield in my limited testing today. | I never saw a need for the third wipe. If i need a final wipe (I don t) id do it manually | 36 | 5 | 7,909 |
kqhzde | 266 | The last wiping while washing windshield in cold weather makes a mess. Tesla please allow us more control over our wipers. As many have stated here a Snow Mode is a must in our cars for those living in cold weather areas. And if Tesla is looking to implement this then please remove the last wiping from the windshield washing function during winter. Here s why: whenever you drive on busy winter highways after a snowfall and the roads are still wet from molten snow and ice cars in front of you raise this dirty mist that causes your windshield to become brown so you must continuously use the windshield washing function to keep it clean. On the Model 3 and Y it throws washing fluid to the blades and perform three wipings. After the third wipe the windshield is crystal clear and it would remain like this at least for the next 3-5 minutes. But no... The car wants to make sure the windshield is as dry as possible so a second after the third wipe it performs this fourth and last one. During summer that s ok and it does work as intended. But during winter this last one screws everything and makes the windshield all dirty and messy again especially when it s really cold outside. So please if you do implement Snow mode please remove the last wiping either when the car is above a certain speed or if the temperature is below a certain degree. Otherwise it messes the cleaning. Thanks. | If you press the wiper button again to the first detent after the second wipe it ll override and interrupt the cycle and not do the delayed last swipe. It does do a higher speed wipe but testing today didn t seem to make it worse. It s not the best solution as it requires a bit of timing but at least didn t shmust up the windshield in my limited testing today. | I hate it. Happens on the S since they launch. | 36 | 6 | 7,910 |
kqhzde | 266 | The last wiping while washing windshield in cold weather makes a mess. Tesla please allow us more control over our wipers. As many have stated here a Snow Mode is a must in our cars for those living in cold weather areas. And if Tesla is looking to implement this then please remove the last wiping from the windshield washing function during winter. Here s why: whenever you drive on busy winter highways after a snowfall and the roads are still wet from molten snow and ice cars in front of you raise this dirty mist that causes your windshield to become brown so you must continuously use the windshield washing function to keep it clean. On the Model 3 and Y it throws washing fluid to the blades and perform three wipings. After the third wipe the windshield is crystal clear and it would remain like this at least for the next 3-5 minutes. But no... The car wants to make sure the windshield is as dry as possible so a second after the third wipe it performs this fourth and last one. During summer that s ok and it does work as intended. But during winter this last one screws everything and makes the windshield all dirty and messy again especially when it s really cold outside. So please if you do implement Snow mode please remove the last wiping either when the car is above a certain speed or if the temperature is below a certain degree. Otherwise it messes the cleaning. Thanks. | If you press the wiper button again to the first detent after the second wipe it ll override and interrupt the cycle and not do the delayed last swipe. It does do a higher speed wipe but testing today didn t seem to make it worse. It s not the best solution as it requires a bit of timing but at least didn t shmust up the windshield in my limited testing today. | Odd to be missing this is feature. My hybrid ford can turn the courtesy wipe on or off. | 36 | 6 | 7,911 |
kqq7bb | 1,084 | Tesla just updated their Find Us map for 2021+ Now with quarterly target opening dates and plenty of newly planned sites. Very pleasant surprise and nice to see the Midwest getting more coverage. Hopefully projected timelines and opening dates get more accurate as time goes on. [Link to map](https: www.tesla.com findus) | King of Prussia PA aiming for Q4 2021. This sucker has been delayed like 5 years now 😭 | Woooooohoooooooo! | 168 | 2 | 7,912 |
kqq7bb | 1,084 | Tesla just updated their Find Us map for 2021+ Now with quarterly target opening dates and plenty of newly planned sites. Very pleasant surprise and nice to see the Midwest getting more coverage. Hopefully projected timelines and opening dates get more accurate as time goes on. [Link to map](https: www.tesla.com findus) | King of Prussia PA aiming for Q4 2021. This sucker has been delayed like 5 years now 😭 | A couple nearby superchargers I was excited about got pushed back to 2022. BUT there s a new one planned for later this year on a route I often take. Nice! | 168 | 2 | 7,913 |
kqq7bb | 1,084 | Tesla just updated their Find Us map for 2021+ Now with quarterly target opening dates and plenty of newly planned sites. Very pleasant surprise and nice to see the Midwest getting more coverage. Hopefully projected timelines and opening dates get more accurate as time goes on. [Link to map](https: www.tesla.com findus) | King of Prussia PA aiming for Q4 2021. This sucker has been delayed like 5 years now 😭 | Sweet a new Supercharger for New Zealand...and some new dates for the two that have been coming soon for the last two years. | 168 | 7 | 7,914 |
kr86m5 | 576 | Model 3 offers more power output on hills With scan my Tesla I have been watching my outputs lately and have noticed if I m on the freeway and punch it it ll consume about 330 kilowatts (442HP) [Imgur](https: imgur.com jwonCLY) but if I m going up a hill I ve seen it Spike all the way to 365KW (490HP) EDIT Other more in depth testing has shown peaks of 370.9 KW (nearly 500HP) which is in-line with what i saw. I need to find a nice controlled area with an incline so I can do more testing. Does anyone know what the limit is on power output? 2020 model 3 long range all wheel drive plus acceleration | It could make sense. We know it is power restricted from what the battery and motors can do. If they regulate performance by speed of the motor and not by actual output then maybe under more load it would output more too keep that performance lvl? You could also try checking with 1 person vs 4 people in the car and see if anything changes. | All I know is that it s fun as hell! 2021 3 owner and god damn do I love hills! (I have nothing helpful to add) | 185 | 121 | 7,915 |
krqmma | 221 | Could Tesla gain back the U.S. Federal EV tax credit now that the Dems control the Senate? Was holding off on Model Y purchase to 2021 just in case the GA election played out the way it did. Is there any chance we will see Tesla and GMs 200 000 vehicle sales limits removed? Seems like that could be a procedural change done as reconciliation especially since it puts two American car companies at a disadvantage. | Seems pretty low on the priority list. If anything you might hear something by the end of the year that could be retroactive to 1 January- is that worth waiting for? | Yes it could come back. Or change to still benefit Tesla. | 98 | 6 | 7,916 |
krqmma | 221 | Could Tesla gain back the U.S. Federal EV tax credit now that the Dems control the Senate? Was holding off on Model Y purchase to 2021 just in case the GA election played out the way it did. Is there any chance we will see Tesla and GMs 200 000 vehicle sales limits removed? Seems like that could be a procedural change done as reconciliation especially since it puts two American car companies at a disadvantage. | Even if they did bring it back I m guessing they would probably include an income restriction for the tax credit. | I doubt either state or federal will change. I think whatever credits we were eligible for ended in 2020. | 87 | 4 | 7,917 |
krqmma | 221 | Could Tesla gain back the U.S. Federal EV tax credit now that the Dems control the Senate? Was holding off on Model Y purchase to 2021 just in case the GA election played out the way it did. Is there any chance we will see Tesla and GMs 200 000 vehicle sales limits removed? Seems like that could be a procedural change done as reconciliation especially since it puts two American car companies at a disadvantage. | Even if they did bring it back I m guessing they would probably include an income restriction for the tax credit. | Yes it could come back. Or change to still benefit Tesla. | 87 | 6 | 7,918 |
ksfj3e | 5,304 | Elon Musk is now the richest person in the world passing Jeff Bezos * Elon Musk just became the richest person in the world with a net worth of more than $185 billion. * Thursday s increase in Tesla s share price pushed Musk past Jeff Bezos who had been the richest person since 2017 and is currently worth about $184 billion. * Musk s wealth surge over the past year marks the fastest rise to the top of the rich list in history — and marks a dramatic financial turnaround for the famed entrepreneur. https: www.cnbc.com 2021 01 07 elon-musk-is-now-the-richest-person-in-the-world-passing-jeff-bezos-.html | [Reaction Tweet](https: i.imgur.com ZsKjc3v.png) > How strange > Well back to work … | Once cybertrucks are shipping to Mars the man will be a trillionaire | 1,060 | 6 | 7,919 |
ksfj3e | 5,304 | Elon Musk is now the richest person in the world passing Jeff Bezos * Elon Musk just became the richest person in the world with a net worth of more than $185 billion. * Thursday s increase in Tesla s share price pushed Musk past Jeff Bezos who had been the richest person since 2017 and is currently worth about $184 billion. * Musk s wealth surge over the past year marks the fastest rise to the top of the rich list in history — and marks a dramatic financial turnaround for the famed entrepreneur. https: www.cnbc.com 2021 01 07 elon-musk-is-now-the-richest-person-in-the-world-passing-jeff-bezos-.html | [Reaction Tweet](https: i.imgur.com ZsKjc3v.png) > How strange > Well back to work … | He s worth it | 1,060 | 9 | 7,920 |
ksfj3e | 5,304 | Elon Musk is now the richest person in the world passing Jeff Bezos * Elon Musk just became the richest person in the world with a net worth of more than $185 billion. * Thursday s increase in Tesla s share price pushed Musk past Jeff Bezos who had been the richest person since 2017 and is currently worth about $184 billion. * Musk s wealth surge over the past year marks the fastest rise to the top of the rich list in history — and marks a dramatic financial turnaround for the famed entrepreneur. https: www.cnbc.com 2021 01 07 elon-musk-is-now-the-richest-person-in-the-world-passing-jeff-bezos-.html | [Reaction Tweet](https: i.imgur.com ZsKjc3v.png) > How strange > Well back to work … | He will be worth 10x more in 5 years | 1,060 | 23 | 7,921 |
kshmhn | 144 | Proposal: Sell FSD without robotaxi capability at a lower price. Proposal: Sell noncommercial FSD without robotaxi capability for a lower price that the commercial FSD with it. FSD is now priced at $10k and rising and I understand has 20-25% adoption. The justification for that price is that you ll be able to rent out your car as a robotaxi when you re not using it generating income - the claim is on the order of $30k year. I don t know what market research Tesla has done but I m skeptical that many people will be willing to do that with their daily driver rather I expect robotaxis to be mostly be dedicated commercial fleets. The new Beta FSD looks very promising (though I m a quite doubtful it will reach Level 4 5 anytime soon). Level 3 appears reachable and that will a game changer. 10k is too high for a lot of people hence the low uptake. I suggest that there be two tiers: FSD without robotaxi for say $4k upgradable to robotaxi for a further $6k. This is similar to many other SW products where there are seperate licenses and prices for personal vs commercial use. Clearly until robotaxis are real few commercial licenses would be sold but I expect the increased uptake of the non-commercial license would cover the reduced per-unit income. 75% uptake at $4k beats 25% at 10k. What do others think? | This is one of the better ideas I ve seen here since it actually makes sense for both the company and the consumer. Far too many ideas posted here boil down to I don t want to pay this much for something that there is clear demand for at the current price. Here s much less than others are willing to pay for it. Gimme. | Maybe that s what they ll do for the subscription service. Subscription service could be reasonably cheaper if they don t allow robotaxi capability. | 57 | 2 | 7,922 |
kshmhn | 144 | Proposal: Sell FSD without robotaxi capability at a lower price. Proposal: Sell noncommercial FSD without robotaxi capability for a lower price that the commercial FSD with it. FSD is now priced at $10k and rising and I understand has 20-25% adoption. The justification for that price is that you ll be able to rent out your car as a robotaxi when you re not using it generating income - the claim is on the order of $30k year. I don t know what market research Tesla has done but I m skeptical that many people will be willing to do that with their daily driver rather I expect robotaxis to be mostly be dedicated commercial fleets. The new Beta FSD looks very promising (though I m a quite doubtful it will reach Level 4 5 anytime soon). Level 3 appears reachable and that will a game changer. 10k is too high for a lot of people hence the low uptake. I suggest that there be two tiers: FSD without robotaxi for say $4k upgradable to robotaxi for a further $6k. This is similar to many other SW products where there are seperate licenses and prices for personal vs commercial use. Clearly until robotaxis are real few commercial licenses would be sold but I expect the increased uptake of the non-commercial license would cover the reduced per-unit income. 75% uptake at $4k beats 25% at 10k. What do others think? | This is one of the better ideas I ve seen here since it actually makes sense for both the company and the consumer. Far too many ideas posted here boil down to I don t want to pay this much for something that there is clear demand for at the current price. Here s much less than others are willing to pay for it. Gimme. | Yes please I hope they have a non commercial price in the future. | 57 | 5 | 7,923 |
kshmhn | 144 | Proposal: Sell FSD without robotaxi capability at a lower price. Proposal: Sell noncommercial FSD without robotaxi capability for a lower price that the commercial FSD with it. FSD is now priced at $10k and rising and I understand has 20-25% adoption. The justification for that price is that you ll be able to rent out your car as a robotaxi when you re not using it generating income - the claim is on the order of $30k year. I don t know what market research Tesla has done but I m skeptical that many people will be willing to do that with their daily driver rather I expect robotaxis to be mostly be dedicated commercial fleets. The new Beta FSD looks very promising (though I m a quite doubtful it will reach Level 4 5 anytime soon). Level 3 appears reachable and that will a game changer. 10k is too high for a lot of people hence the low uptake. I suggest that there be two tiers: FSD without robotaxi for say $4k upgradable to robotaxi for a further $6k. This is similar to many other SW products where there are seperate licenses and prices for personal vs commercial use. Clearly until robotaxis are real few commercial licenses would be sold but I expect the increased uptake of the non-commercial license would cover the reduced per-unit income. 75% uptake at $4k beats 25% at 10k. What do others think? | I d prefer they bring back the 4k enhanced autopilot permanently. Not everyone wants autopilot for city streets. | Maybe that s what they ll do for the subscription service. Subscription service could be reasonably cheaper if they don t allow robotaxi capability. | 36 | 2 | 7,924 |
ksrzm4 | 43 | Cost of Model S - 8 years later For those of you who ve owned the Model S since its release in 2012 (or those who ve just had one for 5+ years) what has been your experience in costs for your vehicle (ie: repairs energy)? Compared to a gasoline vehicle you don t need to pay for fuel (or very limited) or oil changes or tranmission fluids etc. so I would imagine the savings are great. I d love to compare it to a gas car owner to see if the higher initial cost balances out with less upkeep. | I m just about at six years. It s been very cheap to own. Biggest repair expense was three door handle replacements. Just one more and I ll have the full set! Supposedly the new design is much more robust so hopefully that won t happen again after the fourth one. I had to get the MCU replaced because of the flash wear issue but they re supposedly refunding that. Energy is cheap enough that I don t really notice it. I d have saved a ton of money keeping my Prius instead even with somewhat higher ongoing costs but it is nice that the Tesla so cheap to run now. | My buddy has an early S crossed 100k miles a little while ago. Says it s mostly like new. Had plenty of trouble w the door handles. He ran in to the burned out memory issue and had to pay out of pocket pretty sure he ll get that refund they announced. Just recently the battery suddenly plummeted would only charge to 20-30 miles! Lucker focker still has battery warranty -supposed- to be replaced soon (it s ongoing as as type). No loaner in the meantime so far either. | 46 | 15 | 7,925 |
ksuw57 | 229 | Model Y 7 seat pictures here credit rob of tesla daily @ [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1bV99C64e8w& ab\\_channel=TeslaDaily](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1bV99C64e8w& ab_channel=TeslaDaily) https: preview.redd.it t0uyn7pta1a61.png?width=1265& format=png& auto=webp& s=cbe57321c2aba6c88edd292aaa14024d1fd95832 & #x200B  https: preview.redd.it vqdxidd1b1a61.png?width=851& format=png& auto=webp& s=3440528328d2737a59892627903e1b9b4d5fefcb & #x200B https: preview.redd.it kiwc0il4b1a61.png?width=919& format=png& auto=webp& s=2fd0be62f676e29cd50d3dae701141640c9d4fdd 📷📷📷📷📷📷📷 📷7:21 14:20•7-seat interior photos | Nice! Still no shots of the leg room which leads me to think it s on track to match the FR-S BRZ. | Awesome! | 46 | 6 | 7,926 |
ksuw57 | 229 | Model Y 7 seat pictures here credit rob of tesla daily @ [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1bV99C64e8w& ab\\_channel=TeslaDaily](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1bV99C64e8w& ab_channel=TeslaDaily) https: preview.redd.it t0uyn7pta1a61.png?width=1265& format=png& auto=webp& s=cbe57321c2aba6c88edd292aaa14024d1fd95832 & #x200B  https: preview.redd.it vqdxidd1b1a61.png?width=851& format=png& auto=webp& s=3440528328d2737a59892627903e1b9b4d5fefcb & #x200B https: preview.redd.it kiwc0il4b1a61.png?width=919& format=png& auto=webp& s=2fd0be62f676e29cd50d3dae701141640c9d4fdd 📷📷📷📷📷📷📷 📷7:21 14:20•7-seat interior photos | I don t know what everyone expected from the back row? This is exactly the same as with the most 7 seaters here in Europe where only childs can sit in the back row and it is used for taking some extra people to the restaurant soccer game etc. every now and then. | Saw this as model y. Not sure how accurate it is. Shows legroom https: imgur.com DiSwRmS https: imgur.com csOI8m1 | 37 | 3 | 7,927 |
ksuw57 | 229 | Model Y 7 seat pictures here credit rob of tesla daily @ [https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1bV99C64e8w& ab\\_channel=TeslaDaily](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1bV99C64e8w& ab_channel=TeslaDaily) https: preview.redd.it t0uyn7pta1a61.png?width=1265& format=png& auto=webp& s=cbe57321c2aba6c88edd292aaa14024d1fd95832 & #x200B  https: preview.redd.it vqdxidd1b1a61.png?width=851& format=png& auto=webp& s=3440528328d2737a59892627903e1b9b4d5fefcb & #x200B https: preview.redd.it kiwc0il4b1a61.png?width=919& format=png& auto=webp& s=2fd0be62f676e29cd50d3dae701141640c9d4fdd 📷📷📷📷📷📷📷 📷7:21 14:20•7-seat interior photos | I don t know what everyone expected from the back row? This is exactly the same as with the most 7 seaters here in Europe where only childs can sit in the back row and it is used for taking some extra people to the restaurant soccer game etc. every now and then. | I guess the last row of seating is good if you have friends that don t have legs or heads. Dogs probably fit great too though. And there would be a seat belt they could be harnessed to which is great. | 37 | 4 | 7,928 |
kuyr3u | 808 | Production of Model S and Model X resumes today On December 11th Tesla announced the shut down of the production line for Model S and X from December 24th to January 10th. So today should see this production resumed. As most of us expect we should see some kind of refresh announced soon. There is some hype going on with people betting on the new 4680 battery cells. I personally don t think this will happen right now. Here is my bet: * interior refresh with horizontal screen * exterior refresh but not as radical as the Cybertruck. Just an evolution of the current design * a new modular chassis. First they ll use the current batteries and they ll be able to swap to the new batteries later. What are your final thoughts before the upcoming update? | So what good are all of these Tesla youtubers if we don t have campers and drones outside the factory today? Where s the livestream? | “Not as radical as the Cybertruck” 😂😂😂 | 108 | 8 | 7,929 |
kuyr3u | 808 | Production of Model S and Model X resumes today On December 11th Tesla announced the shut down of the production line for Model S and X from December 24th to January 10th. So today should see this production resumed. As most of us expect we should see some kind of refresh announced soon. There is some hype going on with people betting on the new 4680 battery cells. I personally don t think this will happen right now. Here is my bet: * interior refresh with horizontal screen * exterior refresh but not as radical as the Cybertruck. Just an evolution of the current design * a new modular chassis. First they ll use the current batteries and they ll be able to swap to the new batteries later. What are your final thoughts before the upcoming update? | So what good are all of these Tesla youtubers if we don t have campers and drones outside the factory today? Where s the livestream? | but not as radical as the Cybertruck Can you imagine we get Cyber S and Cyber X hooooly F! | 108 | 35 | 7,930 |
kuyr3u | 808 | Production of Model S and Model X resumes today On December 11th Tesla announced the shut down of the production line for Model S and X from December 24th to January 10th. So today should see this production resumed. As most of us expect we should see some kind of refresh announced soon. There is some hype going on with people betting on the new 4680 battery cells. I personally don t think this will happen right now. Here is my bet: * interior refresh with horizontal screen * exterior refresh but not as radical as the Cybertruck. Just an evolution of the current design * a new modular chassis. First they ll use the current batteries and they ll be able to swap to the new batteries later. What are your final thoughts before the upcoming update? | Looking forward to the leaks | \\+ competitive response to Taycan Lucid Air | 191 | 124 | 7,931 |
kvpk3b | 76 | Tesla Model Y coming to Europe in 1.Q in 2021. -100.000 cars for Europe- The Grapevine is whispering too loud that there will be shipments of **100.000 Model Y to Europe in 2021 in the first quarter**. Informations are coming supposedly from sources within the company in NL and Germany. It is already discussed in local Tesla-Forums. | Source? Giga Berlin is not to be completed before July 2021 and Tesla has always said it wouldn t ship from Fremont. Shanghai is completely overwhelmed on the domestic Model Y demand side so we can t expect MIC MY either. | Wait are those coming from Fremont or is Giga Berlin *that* close to completion? I haven t been paying much attention to it. | 42 | 6 | 7,932 |
kvpk3b | 76 | Tesla Model Y coming to Europe in 1.Q in 2021. -100.000 cars for Europe- The Grapevine is whispering too loud that there will be shipments of **100.000 Model Y to Europe in 2021 in the first quarter**. Informations are coming supposedly from sources within the company in NL and Germany. It is already discussed in local Tesla-Forums. | Where do these 100000 model Y suddenly appear from? Cause they all need to be on a ship in the next couple of weeks to be able to get them delivered this quarter. (Yes I know it didn t say anything about being sold but Tesla has never had a bunch of stock sitting around at the end of a quarter) Sorry this just doesn t add up | Wait are those coming from Fremont or is Giga Berlin *that* close to completion? I haven t been paying much attention to it. | 36 | 6 | 7,933 |
kvpk3b | 76 | Tesla Model Y coming to Europe in 1.Q in 2021. -100.000 cars for Europe- The Grapevine is whispering too loud that there will be shipments of **100.000 Model Y to Europe in 2021 in the first quarter**. Informations are coming supposedly from sources within the company in NL and Germany. It is already discussed in local Tesla-Forums. | Source? Giga Berlin is not to be completed before July 2021 and Tesla has always said it wouldn t ship from Fremont. Shanghai is completely overwhelmed on the domestic Model Y demand side so we can t expect MIC MY either. | What? It hasn t been cleared for type homologation yet | 42 | 15 | 7,934 |
kvs5wc | 25 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Snow mode - lower regen power bias to 50 50 | Low regen mode Edit: Fart sounds get upvoted but basic functionality making a return doesn t. I ll never understand some of y all... | 42 | 3 | 7,935 |
kvs5wc | 25 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Snow mode - lower regen power bias to 50 50 | Allow for thin minimalistic energy and charging display that doesn t cover the entire screen or offer Iser ability to customize tile widget type format | 42 | 3 | 7,936 |
kvs5wc | 25 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Snow mode - lower regen power bias to 50 50 | Ability to share URL from mobile phone and have it open the browser. Similar to the current ability to share an address from mobile phone and have it auto-config the Nav destination (or share YouTube URL and pop open the YouTube app) | 42 | 5 | 7,937 |
kvvskv | 42 | Damage to M3 for an extended period with very low charge My M3 no longer charges. When I noticed it stopped charging at home I took it to the nearest supercharger to confirm if it was my home charger or the car. Unfortunately it was the car. I called Tesla support who told me to drive it home and wait for someone to contact me for repairs. It s now sitting at 1% with the car reporting that permanent damage may result. From what I can tell they have a two-plus week backlog in my area. I m less concerned about the wait than I am permanent damage to the battery. My question is how serious the damage could be for an extended period at near zero charge? | Even though it s 0% on the display the BMS still keeps the bottom ~5% of the battery in reserve as a buffer. It probably won t let you drive once it starts into this buffer but the point is to preserve the battery from getting too low damaged. At a certain point the BMS will open the HV contactors and not allow them to be closed again due to low voltage unless charging is occurring. For reference the HV battery s cells will show 0% at 2.9V open circuit voltage but the actual low voltage cutoff is 2.5V If you can put the 12V battery on a battery tender that ll help the car avoid having to use the remaining HV battery s power to keep the 12V charged. [Here s the section](https: www.tesla.com sites default files model_3_owners_manual_north_america_en.pdf#page=200) of the owner s manual on jump-starting the 12V. | I would at least use a third party 12v battery charger and make sure that is kept charged. | 91 | 6 | 7,938 |
kvvskv | 42 | Damage to M3 for an extended period with very low charge My M3 no longer charges. When I noticed it stopped charging at home I took it to the nearest supercharger to confirm if it was my home charger or the car. Unfortunately it was the car. I called Tesla support who told me to drive it home and wait for someone to contact me for repairs. It s now sitting at 1% with the car reporting that permanent damage may result. From what I can tell they have a two-plus week backlog in my area. I m less concerned about the wait than I am permanent damage to the battery. My question is how serious the damage could be for an extended period at near zero charge? | Even though it s 0% on the display the BMS still keeps the bottom ~5% of the battery in reserve as a buffer. It probably won t let you drive once it starts into this buffer but the point is to preserve the battery from getting too low damaged. At a certain point the BMS will open the HV contactors and not allow them to be closed again due to low voltage unless charging is occurring. For reference the HV battery s cells will show 0% at 2.9V open circuit voltage but the actual low voltage cutoff is 2.5V If you can put the 12V battery on a battery tender that ll help the car avoid having to use the remaining HV battery s power to keep the 12V charged. [Here s the section](https: www.tesla.com sites default files model_3_owners_manual_north_america_en.pdf#page=200) of the owner s manual on jump-starting the 12V. | What is your area? If you re in the US and not TOO far from a SC get a tow truck immediately and bring it directly to them since it s a major problem. Demand they look at it immediately. They can prioritize you. Your insurance might be able to pay for or part of the tow especially if you have good roadside assistance. | 91 | 12 | 7,939 |
kvvskv | 42 | Damage to M3 for an extended period with very low charge My M3 no longer charges. When I noticed it stopped charging at home I took it to the nearest supercharger to confirm if it was my home charger or the car. Unfortunately it was the car. I called Tesla support who told me to drive it home and wait for someone to contact me for repairs. It s now sitting at 1% with the car reporting that permanent damage may result. From what I can tell they have a two-plus week backlog in my area. I m less concerned about the wait than I am permanent damage to the battery. My question is how serious the damage could be for an extended period at near zero charge? | Even though it s 0% on the display the BMS still keeps the bottom ~5% of the battery in reserve as a buffer. It probably won t let you drive once it starts into this buffer but the point is to preserve the battery from getting too low damaged. At a certain point the BMS will open the HV contactors and not allow them to be closed again due to low voltage unless charging is occurring. For reference the HV battery s cells will show 0% at 2.9V open circuit voltage but the actual low voltage cutoff is 2.5V If you can put the 12V battery on a battery tender that ll help the car avoid having to use the remaining HV battery s power to keep the 12V charged. [Here s the section](https: www.tesla.com sites default files model_3_owners_manual_north_america_en.pdf#page=200) of the owner s manual on jump-starting the 12V. | Call your service center immediately. Call sales and get transferred. The serious issues like this should come first and a tow truck should come out. | 91 | 33 | 7,940 |
kw2fos | 699 | PSA: Do NOT hang SC connectors over the monolith when they re not working I had a fairly long journey today and had to supercharge twice. During a stop at the SC there were 2 that weren t working so as a signal to incoming Tesla owners I draped the connector over the monolith on each one that wasn t working as I discovered them. A few minutes later a Tesla Engineer arrived and began working on them. The first thing he did was replace the connector into their holsters. Since I was just killing time supercharging I had a chat with the guy. He was super nice and professional (and coincidentally he looked like he could have been Andej Karpathy s twin brother). I mentioned that I had draped the connectors as a signal to incoming drivers and he said I shouldn t do that because it can damage an internal pilot wire which if it did break would make the repair of the station significantly more time-consuming. He also says that Tesla already know as soon as one or more of the stations become inoperable and they will dispatch someone. I m not sure about how quickly though this guy was flown up from Florida to North Carolina to do the repairs. Funny enough on my return journey about 3 hours later I stopped at a different SC and he was working on that one too. LOL. Any way I promised him I would let y all know about draping the connectors so here it is. | **Tesla** if you re listening: …please **turn off the light** on known-broken Supercharger stalls! | > He also says that Tesla already know as soon as one or more of the stations become inoperable This is wrong. They know when one becomes inop in a way that the onboard diagnostics can pick up but there are plenty of ways for the stall to become inoperable that they won t know unless they are told. ...and it suuuuuucks when you re at a station with offline stalls and no easy way to report it. | 666 | 77 | 7,941 |
kw2fos | 699 | PSA: Do NOT hang SC connectors over the monolith when they re not working I had a fairly long journey today and had to supercharge twice. During a stop at the SC there were 2 that weren t working so as a signal to incoming Tesla owners I draped the connector over the monolith on each one that wasn t working as I discovered them. A few minutes later a Tesla Engineer arrived and began working on them. The first thing he did was replace the connector into their holsters. Since I was just killing time supercharging I had a chat with the guy. He was super nice and professional (and coincidentally he looked like he could have been Andej Karpathy s twin brother). I mentioned that I had draped the connectors as a signal to incoming drivers and he said I shouldn t do that because it can damage an internal pilot wire which if it did break would make the repair of the station significantly more time-consuming. He also says that Tesla already know as soon as one or more of the stations become inoperable and they will dispatch someone. I m not sure about how quickly though this guy was flown up from Florida to North Carolina to do the repairs. Funny enough on my return journey about 3 hours later I stopped at a different SC and he was working on that one too. LOL. Any way I promised him I would let y all know about draping the connectors so here it is. | They already know and will dispatch someone . I drove from ca to ny and there was a broken charger. On the way back a week later it was still broken. Please. Edit: this was in alberqerque nm. | Tesla should add an indicator of some kind. Even if Tesla knows which ones are out of operation drivers don t. And if the solution people naturally developed may cause damage it is time to update the design. It could be as simple as a solid flag on a hinge like on mailboxes or as complex as an indicator light. | 74 | 4 | 7,942 |
kw2fos | 699 | PSA: Do NOT hang SC connectors over the monolith when they re not working I had a fairly long journey today and had to supercharge twice. During a stop at the SC there were 2 that weren t working so as a signal to incoming Tesla owners I draped the connector over the monolith on each one that wasn t working as I discovered them. A few minutes later a Tesla Engineer arrived and began working on them. The first thing he did was replace the connector into their holsters. Since I was just killing time supercharging I had a chat with the guy. He was super nice and professional (and coincidentally he looked like he could have been Andej Karpathy s twin brother). I mentioned that I had draped the connectors as a signal to incoming drivers and he said I shouldn t do that because it can damage an internal pilot wire which if it did break would make the repair of the station significantly more time-consuming. He also says that Tesla already know as soon as one or more of the stations become inoperable and they will dispatch someone. I m not sure about how quickly though this guy was flown up from Florida to North Carolina to do the repairs. Funny enough on my return journey about 3 hours later I stopped at a different SC and he was working on that one too. LOL. Any way I promised him I would let y all know about draping the connectors so here it is. | They already know and will dispatch someone . I drove from ca to ny and there was a broken charger. On the way back a week later it was still broken. Please. Edit: this was in alberqerque nm. | What if the pilot wire was the original problem though? | 74 | 10 | 7,943 |
kw43dc | 114 | I d love to see pre-2021 model 3 owners heated steering wheel retrofit option With many new changes rolling out to newer models I d love to see more retrofit options for older models. (I own 2019 M3 but already feel its quite outdated now) what does everyone think about this. would Telsa ever offer aftermarket options moving forward. For instance I d be willing to be 2x the cost of 3rd party to install automatic trunk. | Welcome to Tesla where the car you want is always released 6 months after you bought yours. | Would absolutely love a heated steering wheel | 103 | 2 | 7,944 |
kw43dc | 114 | I d love to see pre-2021 model 3 owners heated steering wheel retrofit option With many new changes rolling out to newer models I d love to see more retrofit options for older models. (I own 2019 M3 but already feel its quite outdated now) what does everyone think about this. would Telsa ever offer aftermarket options moving forward. For instance I d be willing to be 2x the cost of 3rd party to install automatic trunk. | Welcome to Tesla where the car you want is always released 6 months after you bought yours. | FWIW they need more service centers and less of a backlog at each to be able to do something like this in any practical sense. I d like some retrofits ideally but the waits to get service are already bad enough for people who *need* it. | 103 | 11 | 7,945 |
kw43dc | 114 | I d love to see pre-2021 model 3 owners heated steering wheel retrofit option With many new changes rolling out to newer models I d love to see more retrofit options for older models. (I own 2019 M3 but already feel its quite outdated now) what does everyone think about this. would Telsa ever offer aftermarket options moving forward. For instance I d be willing to be 2x the cost of 3rd party to install automatic trunk. | Welcome to Tesla where the car you want is always released 6 months after you bought yours. | I think if you think your 2019 is outdated you should forget about upgrading and lease instead. | 103 | 12 | 7,946 |
kwsysn | 82 | Tesla email: 7 seater performance Y is dead I m sure most folks assume as much but FYI. I have had a reservation for seven seater performance Y for a very long time now. Just got an email today from Tesla asking me to switch out the reservation to a non-performance car or a five-seater performance. Going to ask for a refund and hold out for the cyber truck.... | I was in the same boat. Model Y Performance with 7 seats. I was super bummed when my advisor said they won t be building my combo but...a few things hit me: 1. The Model Y Performance is the slowest “performance model” in the Tesla fleet. If I really need performance I should look at a 3 or S. 2. The LR AWD will get me 23 more miles of range... 3. ...is $10k cheaper 4. ...has way cheaper and more comfortable tires 5. ...and can be within .5 seconds of a MYP with the acceleration boost. Needless to say...I m happy to be getting a LR AWD 7 seater Y | Could probably be made. But my guess is there are very few orders for it relatively. So less sku s means easier production. | 86 | 8 | 7,947 |
kwsysn | 82 | Tesla email: 7 seater performance Y is dead I m sure most folks assume as much but FYI. I have had a reservation for seven seater performance Y for a very long time now. Just got an email today from Tesla asking me to switch out the reservation to a non-performance car or a five-seater performance. Going to ask for a refund and hold out for the cyber truck.... | I was in the same boat. Model Y Performance with 7 seats. I was super bummed when my advisor said they won t be building my combo but...a few things hit me: 1. The Model Y Performance is the slowest “performance model” in the Tesla fleet. If I really need performance I should look at a 3 or S. 2. The LR AWD will get me 23 more miles of range... 3. ...is $10k cheaper 4. ...has way cheaper and more comfortable tires 5. ...and can be within .5 seconds of a MYP with the acceleration boost. Needless to say...I m happy to be getting a LR AWD 7 seater Y | perhaps the ride quality was just so bad they couldn t sell it in good conscience? | 86 | 10 | 7,948 |
kwsysn | 82 | Tesla email: 7 seater performance Y is dead I m sure most folks assume as much but FYI. I have had a reservation for seven seater performance Y for a very long time now. Just got an email today from Tesla asking me to switch out the reservation to a non-performance car or a five-seater performance. Going to ask for a refund and hold out for the cyber truck.... | I was in the same boat. Model Y Performance with 7 seats. I was super bummed when my advisor said they won t be building my combo but...a few things hit me: 1. The Model Y Performance is the slowest “performance model” in the Tesla fleet. If I really need performance I should look at a 3 or S. 2. The LR AWD will get me 23 more miles of range... 3. ...is $10k cheaper 4. ...has way cheaper and more comfortable tires 5. ...and can be within .5 seconds of a MYP with the acceleration boost. Needless to say...I m happy to be getting a LR AWD 7 seater Y | But what about the market that has a wife 5 kids and wants to go fast? | 86 | 58 | 7,949 |
kylhii | 27 | Model 3 - Can you lock the key card in the car? Here s the setup ... we are having tint done on our Model 3 today by a friend at his shop. We probably won t be able to pick it up straight away when it s done. We are giving him the key card. When he is done can he simply leave the key card somewhere in the car (glovebox maybe or trunk) and tell us to lock it remotely so we can pick up the car later on? Or will the key card being inside the car possibly allow it to unlock randomly? | The keycard needs to be placed in a specific area it s not proximity like your phone. Have them put it in the centre console or armrest hit the Locks (top left corner of map) and get out and close the door. | He can lock it himself from the screen. This is basically what service does. | 48 | 16 | 7,950 |
kyrn4y | 733 | Delivery Manager says I hold their cars to a high standard and should look at other brands Our family purchased our first Tesla a 2020 Model Y Performance at the end of August 2020. I think the vin is 47 xxx and paid $110 CAD in cash after taxes. I was extremely happy to purchase a Tesla after a considerable time and was wanting to purchase our first EV. On delivery there were several issues or defects with the car to which the delivery manager had created a list and he noted it on their system through their phone. He promised all of these issues would be fixed very quickly and that I have no reason to worry since they ve recorded it in their system. I would get an appointment with the body shop they work with very soon. (Pushing for their end of Q sales numbers to increase). It was not feasible for me to reject the car and potentially waiting weeks-to-a-month because my previous car was written-off from the insurance company because someone rear ended me. And the insurance company doesn t cover the cost of a rental more for than 5 days so I had been paying out of pocket for a rental over a period of a month waiting for my Tesla. & #x200B Well I ve spent the last 6 months trying to get these issues fixed from delivery. The service team won t even touch the issues and says the delivery team is looking after them which is fine since I had reported it to the delivery manager. I ve had over 20 email exchanges about these delivery defects with the manager and have been asking for 6 months when would these issues be resolved for my new car. After 6 months I receive a call from the body shop saying Tesla only authorized them to fix 4 out of the 9 defects that are on the car. At this point I was considerably upset because I ve spent the last 6 months of my time trying to get these issues resolved quickly only to be told a couple would be fixed. I thought this might be a simple mistake so I send 3 more emails over a period of a couple weeks to the delivery manager that had the delivery person and sales person cc d this whole time. One month and a half goes by and not a single response from anyone not even to say they might be on holidays and that I will receive a response soon nothing. When I sent a final email mentioning that the Pearl White bumpers on our car are yellowing and this is a known defect that many people have had resolved by Tesla for their white cars. I receive an email from him a month and a half later saying that the bumpers yellowing are completely normal (although not a single of my previous white BMW and cars yellowed ever). He said I need to work with the service team (but the service team has been telling me I need to deal with the deliver team). Furthermore saying that I should consider other brands that have higher quality closer to the standard that he has seen me hold their cars too. I only met him once in person on delivery day and that was when I did the walk around checklist like every other single buyer has had to do because Tesla doesn t care to have a quality control standard or team that other normal car companies do prior to the customer purchasing their cars. Then saying their cars will not hold up to the quality specifications I m looking for in my next vehicle purchase. I don t understand how have I held high quality specifications and how are my standards high ? These are the issues I ve been trying to get fixed that were noticed on delivery day: 1. Re-attach spoiler from coming off 2. Realign tailgate 3. Paint chips on tailgate 4. Realign right rear door 5. Realign left rear door 6. Realign left rear side trim 7. Repair dent on front hood 8. Realign fender to A-Pillar 9. Replace rear diffuser due to large scratches present on delivery 10. Repaint front and rear bumpers that are yellowing (noticed after delivery) & #x200B Other than these body shop issues I have taken the car to service multiple times to fix over 30 issues that have been confirmed in my service invoices. & #x200B IMO horrible customer service and insult to injury by saying I have high standards when all I ve tried to do is get these issues fixed. Clearly these issues don t even meet normal standards of a car being $110K. Yeah they have great tech and driving experience but cannot meet a normal expectation of no damages and defects on a new car why. Could you imagine if you had to deal with this? Apologies for the huge write up just wanted to provide some context. Update Jan. 20 21: I did not expect to get so many upvotes. Thank you. Sorry everyone I ve been extremely busy with work since I created this post. I understand the concern that I ve not uploaded any proof of images I will do so this weekend. I would like to emphasize it s not just about the car and defects. It s also about experience and time wasted not to mention the stress involved. | This is why people say to refuse delivery if there are serious defects no matter what. The return period is only 7 days and there s a 0% chance you ll even have an appointment for them to look at it in that time. What s worse having to pay for a rental for a week or two or spending like $40-50k on a brand new car that needs to be repaired before you ve ever even driven it? The fact that people keep taking delivery of cars in this condition is why they keep doing it. | Stories like this really get me worried all Elon s companies have this culture influenced by the first principle deep dive into the root problem and make it work first which is fine when you have the lead but how long can they hold the lead that s the question. I hope it will not be too late when they realized they should put some investment on quality controls and CS and maybe after that Tesla could be the perfect brand. But hey I guess nothing is perfect... Back to your problem yeah I do think loop in this delivery manager s supervisor or upper management would be your best bet or even Elon maybe | 552 | 17 | 7,951 |
kyrn4y | 733 | Delivery Manager says I hold their cars to a high standard and should look at other brands Our family purchased our first Tesla a 2020 Model Y Performance at the end of August 2020. I think the vin is 47 xxx and paid $110 CAD in cash after taxes. I was extremely happy to purchase a Tesla after a considerable time and was wanting to purchase our first EV. On delivery there were several issues or defects with the car to which the delivery manager had created a list and he noted it on their system through their phone. He promised all of these issues would be fixed very quickly and that I have no reason to worry since they ve recorded it in their system. I would get an appointment with the body shop they work with very soon. (Pushing for their end of Q sales numbers to increase). It was not feasible for me to reject the car and potentially waiting weeks-to-a-month because my previous car was written-off from the insurance company because someone rear ended me. And the insurance company doesn t cover the cost of a rental more for than 5 days so I had been paying out of pocket for a rental over a period of a month waiting for my Tesla. & #x200B Well I ve spent the last 6 months trying to get these issues fixed from delivery. The service team won t even touch the issues and says the delivery team is looking after them which is fine since I had reported it to the delivery manager. I ve had over 20 email exchanges about these delivery defects with the manager and have been asking for 6 months when would these issues be resolved for my new car. After 6 months I receive a call from the body shop saying Tesla only authorized them to fix 4 out of the 9 defects that are on the car. At this point I was considerably upset because I ve spent the last 6 months of my time trying to get these issues resolved quickly only to be told a couple would be fixed. I thought this might be a simple mistake so I send 3 more emails over a period of a couple weeks to the delivery manager that had the delivery person and sales person cc d this whole time. One month and a half goes by and not a single response from anyone not even to say they might be on holidays and that I will receive a response soon nothing. When I sent a final email mentioning that the Pearl White bumpers on our car are yellowing and this is a known defect that many people have had resolved by Tesla for their white cars. I receive an email from him a month and a half later saying that the bumpers yellowing are completely normal (although not a single of my previous white BMW and cars yellowed ever). He said I need to work with the service team (but the service team has been telling me I need to deal with the deliver team). Furthermore saying that I should consider other brands that have higher quality closer to the standard that he has seen me hold their cars too. I only met him once in person on delivery day and that was when I did the walk around checklist like every other single buyer has had to do because Tesla doesn t care to have a quality control standard or team that other normal car companies do prior to the customer purchasing their cars. Then saying their cars will not hold up to the quality specifications I m looking for in my next vehicle purchase. I don t understand how have I held high quality specifications and how are my standards high ? These are the issues I ve been trying to get fixed that were noticed on delivery day: 1. Re-attach spoiler from coming off 2. Realign tailgate 3. Paint chips on tailgate 4. Realign right rear door 5. Realign left rear door 6. Realign left rear side trim 7. Repair dent on front hood 8. Realign fender to A-Pillar 9. Replace rear diffuser due to large scratches present on delivery 10. Repaint front and rear bumpers that are yellowing (noticed after delivery) & #x200B Other than these body shop issues I have taken the car to service multiple times to fix over 30 issues that have been confirmed in my service invoices. & #x200B IMO horrible customer service and insult to injury by saying I have high standards when all I ve tried to do is get these issues fixed. Clearly these issues don t even meet normal standards of a car being $110K. Yeah they have great tech and driving experience but cannot meet a normal expectation of no damages and defects on a new car why. Could you imagine if you had to deal with this? Apologies for the huge write up just wanted to provide some context. Update Jan. 20 21: I did not expect to get so many upvotes. Thank you. Sorry everyone I ve been extremely busy with work since I created this post. I understand the concern that I ve not uploaded any proof of images I will do so this weekend. I would like to emphasize it s not just about the car and defects. It s also about experience and time wasted not to mention the stress involved. | This is why people say to refuse delivery if there are serious defects no matter what. The return period is only 7 days and there s a 0% chance you ll even have an appointment for them to look at it in that time. What s worse having to pay for a rental for a week or two or spending like $40-50k on a brand new car that needs to be repaired before you ve ever even driven it? The fact that people keep taking delivery of cars in this condition is why they keep doing it. | I d have done an end around already... Go above him. | 552 | 116 | 7,952 |
kyrn4y | 733 | Delivery Manager says I hold their cars to a high standard and should look at other brands Our family purchased our first Tesla a 2020 Model Y Performance at the end of August 2020. I think the vin is 47 xxx and paid $110 CAD in cash after taxes. I was extremely happy to purchase a Tesla after a considerable time and was wanting to purchase our first EV. On delivery there were several issues or defects with the car to which the delivery manager had created a list and he noted it on their system through their phone. He promised all of these issues would be fixed very quickly and that I have no reason to worry since they ve recorded it in their system. I would get an appointment with the body shop they work with very soon. (Pushing for their end of Q sales numbers to increase). It was not feasible for me to reject the car and potentially waiting weeks-to-a-month because my previous car was written-off from the insurance company because someone rear ended me. And the insurance company doesn t cover the cost of a rental more for than 5 days so I had been paying out of pocket for a rental over a period of a month waiting for my Tesla. & #x200B Well I ve spent the last 6 months trying to get these issues fixed from delivery. The service team won t even touch the issues and says the delivery team is looking after them which is fine since I had reported it to the delivery manager. I ve had over 20 email exchanges about these delivery defects with the manager and have been asking for 6 months when would these issues be resolved for my new car. After 6 months I receive a call from the body shop saying Tesla only authorized them to fix 4 out of the 9 defects that are on the car. At this point I was considerably upset because I ve spent the last 6 months of my time trying to get these issues resolved quickly only to be told a couple would be fixed. I thought this might be a simple mistake so I send 3 more emails over a period of a couple weeks to the delivery manager that had the delivery person and sales person cc d this whole time. One month and a half goes by and not a single response from anyone not even to say they might be on holidays and that I will receive a response soon nothing. When I sent a final email mentioning that the Pearl White bumpers on our car are yellowing and this is a known defect that many people have had resolved by Tesla for their white cars. I receive an email from him a month and a half later saying that the bumpers yellowing are completely normal (although not a single of my previous white BMW and cars yellowed ever). He said I need to work with the service team (but the service team has been telling me I need to deal with the deliver team). Furthermore saying that I should consider other brands that have higher quality closer to the standard that he has seen me hold their cars too. I only met him once in person on delivery day and that was when I did the walk around checklist like every other single buyer has had to do because Tesla doesn t care to have a quality control standard or team that other normal car companies do prior to the customer purchasing their cars. Then saying their cars will not hold up to the quality specifications I m looking for in my next vehicle purchase. I don t understand how have I held high quality specifications and how are my standards high ? These are the issues I ve been trying to get fixed that were noticed on delivery day: 1. Re-attach spoiler from coming off 2. Realign tailgate 3. Paint chips on tailgate 4. Realign right rear door 5. Realign left rear door 6. Realign left rear side trim 7. Repair dent on front hood 8. Realign fender to A-Pillar 9. Replace rear diffuser due to large scratches present on delivery 10. Repaint front and rear bumpers that are yellowing (noticed after delivery) & #x200B Other than these body shop issues I have taken the car to service multiple times to fix over 30 issues that have been confirmed in my service invoices. & #x200B IMO horrible customer service and insult to injury by saying I have high standards when all I ve tried to do is get these issues fixed. Clearly these issues don t even meet normal standards of a car being $110K. Yeah they have great tech and driving experience but cannot meet a normal expectation of no damages and defects on a new car why. Could you imagine if you had to deal with this? Apologies for the huge write up just wanted to provide some context. Update Jan. 20 21: I did not expect to get so many upvotes. Thank you. Sorry everyone I ve been extremely busy with work since I created this post. I understand the concern that I ve not uploaded any proof of images I will do so this weekend. I would like to emphasize it s not just about the car and defects. It s also about experience and time wasted not to mention the stress involved. | Can we get some photos or something? It s hard to tell if you re overstating the magnitude of the problems some things may be in spec. Hard to believe every single door is out of spec and the spoiler is coming off !? It arrived with a dented hood?! Are you examining this thing with calipers? | Sounds like you re talking to the wrong person. Id report him. Your Model Y performance was $110K? I built a Y with everything (red upgraded tires FSD) and it was only $72 990 | 144 | 6 | 7,953 |
l0c4ar | 33 | FSD beta missing features Tesla s FSD beta 10 and their continued refinement of self driving is really impressive. I can t help but notice though that some things are completely missing. This is a list of new features that I think will need to be added before level 5 robo taxis are a reality. * Detection of road closures and the ability to automatically reroute * Hand gesture recognition and response. Right now there is no capability to respond to a human directing traffic. * Support for the transition between FSD and auto park * Support for pulling out of a parking space * Emergency vehicle detection and response * Support for pulling over in an emergency like a flat tire * Significant improvements to handling in parking lots What else am I missing or does anyone know of a more complete list? Edit: Adding things to the list * Pothole detection * Automatic horn when interacting with incompetent drivers * Handling of yield signs specifically at roundabouts * Automatic spraying of windshield washer fluid * Driving in the snow * Turn signal hazard light detection * Transitioning between summon and FSD. Also reverse summon. * Puddle detection and avoidance * Train crossings * School bus detection and handling * School zone handling * Proper handling of intersections with heavy traffic. The Tesla shouldn t enter an intersection if there is not room to clear it. * Sign detection in general * Support for reversing to get out of jams * Bus lane detection * Preemptive lane changes in response to traffic cones Features needed for Robo-Taxi (Not level 5) * Automatic snake charger * Self clearing cameras (Or support for going through a car wash autonomously) | I saw a model 3 do an automatous U turn on YouTube last week so there s one thing you can mark off your list. | Reading more signs maybe. I ve heard yield signs are still treated like stop signs. | 34 | 2 | 7,954 |
l1643c | 227 | Tesla lowers prices of the Model 3 in Germany As of today prices in Germany got reduced. SR+: From 42.990 € to 39.990 € LR AWD: From 52.490€ to 49.990 € Performance: From 58.490€ -> 54.990 € (all prices incl. VAT) & #x200B With subsidy the prices are as follows SR+: 33.990 € LR AWD: 43.990 € Performance: 48.990 € | The dollar has dropped around 10% in value compared to the euro in the last year so not surprising. | Here in Ireland the prices are from: SR+: €47 582 LR AWD: €58 335 Perf: €65 324 That s including VAT government subsidies and incentives. I can t help but feel like we re getting shafted in this country. | 59 | 5 | 7,955 |
l1643c | 227 | Tesla lowers prices of the Model 3 in Germany As of today prices in Germany got reduced. SR+: From 42.990 € to 39.990 € LR AWD: From 52.490€ to 49.990 € Performance: From 58.490€ -> 54.990 € (all prices incl. VAT) & #x200B With subsidy the prices are as follows SR+: 33.990 € LR AWD: 43.990 € Performance: 48.990 € | The dollar has dropped around 10% in value compared to the euro in the last year so not surprising. | Assume this is because they re made in China now. Looking forward to the same for Australia! | 59 | 28 | 7,956 |
l1f50l | 1,971 | Tesla s Leaks Show Breakthrough For Scalability And Automation for Battery Pack Assembly The leaks of Tesla s new 4680 cells and pack design are starting to circulate. And let me paint a picture as to exactly why the new honeycomb structure is so ingenious from a scale automation and cost reduction standpoint. **First** let s look at what most competitor battery packs look like. They use large prismatic and or pouch cells in strange configurations that suite the shape of the vehicle. Can you imagine a robot automating the assembly of any of these packs? No. It requires a large amount of human labor. There are redundant casings hundreds of unique part pieces and cables different layouts for different vehicles and many unique points of potential failure for QA checking. [Legacy battery pack](https: preview.redd.it mqk2hcyzzic61.png?width=945& format=png& auto=webp& s=fe9e50d79591600032eb3f93efbc435458d481ce) I ll also include the Taycan pack here for reference. It s simpler than the above but still not something that will be automated by a machine. It s an evolutionary step in improvement. [Taycan battery pack](https: preview.redd.it vgyz7wa95jc61.jpg?width=1620& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=7fdf19f5d6e6ca7d672754269f7a64831e1fcacc) Let s take a look at Tesla s new honeycomb pack structure. The structure can be rapidly casted as a single large piece. It contains a number of rows and columns to fit the cells. **Flexibility:** For different vehicles that need different pack sizes the number of rows and columns can simply be adjusted. Wider and longer for Cybertruck. Shorter and narrower for the model 3. [Honeycomb structure \\(via electrek\\)](https: preview.redd.it 99vbj85b0jc61.png?width=664& format=png& auto=webp& s=9b86b4d03dcb625f75840af8966babd1a6b70631) **Assembly:** A robot can grab and press in all battery cells at once (probably using resin for bonding to the honeycomb). Then automatically make the circuit connections. The same machine can potentially do this for any pack size by grabbing a different number of rows columns of cells. [Cells \\(Tesla battery video\\)](https: preview.redd.it amnvjjcg0jc61.png?width=822& format=png& auto=webp& s=4c5359a56018532424b39bfb58c7137b948c6c7f) **Scale**: This design reduces total number of unique parts. The consistency of the layout can accommodate different vehicles and a robot can automate assembly in all these cases. Reducing human labor requirements. **Safety Design:** The structure is rigid light weight provides thermal and fire isolation between cells. It provides chassis structure and reduces the complexity and weight of the rest of the body structure. **Recycling and Repair:** A chemical process can melt the resin to remove the cells for recycling. The honeycomb itself can be recycled if damaged or re-used if not. Each cell can then be tested for recycling or repurposing. Much simpler than the lasagna glue with coolant channels of the current 3 Y pack design. **Cooling Simplification:** The new tabless cells have their heat output concentrated at the bottom where a simplified cooling layer can remove the heat. Again removing the complex cooling ribbons of the current pack design. | Reminds me of [Hexagons are the Bestagons](https: youtu.be thOifuHs6eY)! :D | genius engineering | 237 | 5 | 7,957 |
l1f50l | 1,971 | Tesla s Leaks Show Breakthrough For Scalability And Automation for Battery Pack Assembly The leaks of Tesla s new 4680 cells and pack design are starting to circulate. And let me paint a picture as to exactly why the new honeycomb structure is so ingenious from a scale automation and cost reduction standpoint. **First** let s look at what most competitor battery packs look like. They use large prismatic and or pouch cells in strange configurations that suite the shape of the vehicle. Can you imagine a robot automating the assembly of any of these packs? No. It requires a large amount of human labor. There are redundant casings hundreds of unique part pieces and cables different layouts for different vehicles and many unique points of potential failure for QA checking. [Legacy battery pack](https: preview.redd.it mqk2hcyzzic61.png?width=945& format=png& auto=webp& s=fe9e50d79591600032eb3f93efbc435458d481ce) I ll also include the Taycan pack here for reference. It s simpler than the above but still not something that will be automated by a machine. It s an evolutionary step in improvement. [Taycan battery pack](https: preview.redd.it vgyz7wa95jc61.jpg?width=1620& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=7fdf19f5d6e6ca7d672754269f7a64831e1fcacc) Let s take a look at Tesla s new honeycomb pack structure. The structure can be rapidly casted as a single large piece. It contains a number of rows and columns to fit the cells. **Flexibility:** For different vehicles that need different pack sizes the number of rows and columns can simply be adjusted. Wider and longer for Cybertruck. Shorter and narrower for the model 3. [Honeycomb structure \\(via electrek\\)](https: preview.redd.it 99vbj85b0jc61.png?width=664& format=png& auto=webp& s=9b86b4d03dcb625f75840af8966babd1a6b70631) **Assembly:** A robot can grab and press in all battery cells at once (probably using resin for bonding to the honeycomb). Then automatically make the circuit connections. The same machine can potentially do this for any pack size by grabbing a different number of rows columns of cells. [Cells \\(Tesla battery video\\)](https: preview.redd.it amnvjjcg0jc61.png?width=822& format=png& auto=webp& s=4c5359a56018532424b39bfb58c7137b948c6c7f) **Scale**: This design reduces total number of unique parts. The consistency of the layout can accommodate different vehicles and a robot can automate assembly in all these cases. Reducing human labor requirements. **Safety Design:** The structure is rigid light weight provides thermal and fire isolation between cells. It provides chassis structure and reduces the complexity and weight of the rest of the body structure. **Recycling and Repair:** A chemical process can melt the resin to remove the cells for recycling. The honeycomb itself can be recycled if damaged or re-used if not. Each cell can then be tested for recycling or repurposing. Much simpler than the lasagna glue with coolant channels of the current 3 Y pack design. **Cooling Simplification:** The new tabless cells have their heat output concentrated at the bottom where a simplified cooling layer can remove the heat. Again removing the complex cooling ribbons of the current pack design. | Reminds me of [Hexagons are the Bestagons](https: youtu.be thOifuHs6eY)! :D | Except there are literally videos of robots assembling such packs: [https: electrek.co 2018 06 25 bmw-next-gen-electric-powertrain-technology-ix3 ](https: electrek.co 2018 06 25 bmw-next-gen-electric-powertrain-technology-ix3 ) Making a pack and then building a car around that might sound smart except when you stop to think that a car is there primarily to transport people and a car needs to be designed around people to be a good car. And that for example tells you that for a low profile car there should not be a thick battery below the feet of the passengers - vertical space there is precious. Just spend a bit more effort in automating your robots to make a pack that is actually fit for its purpose and you will get a better car out of it. And it has in the end far fewer points of failure than a cylinder pack because every cell connection is a point of failure. Less cells - less points of failure. | 237 | 15 | 7,958 |
l1f50l | 1,971 | Tesla s Leaks Show Breakthrough For Scalability And Automation for Battery Pack Assembly The leaks of Tesla s new 4680 cells and pack design are starting to circulate. And let me paint a picture as to exactly why the new honeycomb structure is so ingenious from a scale automation and cost reduction standpoint. **First** let s look at what most competitor battery packs look like. They use large prismatic and or pouch cells in strange configurations that suite the shape of the vehicle. Can you imagine a robot automating the assembly of any of these packs? No. It requires a large amount of human labor. There are redundant casings hundreds of unique part pieces and cables different layouts for different vehicles and many unique points of potential failure for QA checking. [Legacy battery pack](https: preview.redd.it mqk2hcyzzic61.png?width=945& format=png& auto=webp& s=fe9e50d79591600032eb3f93efbc435458d481ce) I ll also include the Taycan pack here for reference. It s simpler than the above but still not something that will be automated by a machine. It s an evolutionary step in improvement. [Taycan battery pack](https: preview.redd.it vgyz7wa95jc61.jpg?width=1620& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=7fdf19f5d6e6ca7d672754269f7a64831e1fcacc) Let s take a look at Tesla s new honeycomb pack structure. The structure can be rapidly casted as a single large piece. It contains a number of rows and columns to fit the cells. **Flexibility:** For different vehicles that need different pack sizes the number of rows and columns can simply be adjusted. Wider and longer for Cybertruck. Shorter and narrower for the model 3. [Honeycomb structure \\(via electrek\\)](https: preview.redd.it 99vbj85b0jc61.png?width=664& format=png& auto=webp& s=9b86b4d03dcb625f75840af8966babd1a6b70631) **Assembly:** A robot can grab and press in all battery cells at once (probably using resin for bonding to the honeycomb). Then automatically make the circuit connections. The same machine can potentially do this for any pack size by grabbing a different number of rows columns of cells. [Cells \\(Tesla battery video\\)](https: preview.redd.it amnvjjcg0jc61.png?width=822& format=png& auto=webp& s=4c5359a56018532424b39bfb58c7137b948c6c7f) **Scale**: This design reduces total number of unique parts. The consistency of the layout can accommodate different vehicles and a robot can automate assembly in all these cases. Reducing human labor requirements. **Safety Design:** The structure is rigid light weight provides thermal and fire isolation between cells. It provides chassis structure and reduces the complexity and weight of the rest of the body structure. **Recycling and Repair:** A chemical process can melt the resin to remove the cells for recycling. The honeycomb itself can be recycled if damaged or re-used if not. Each cell can then be tested for recycling or repurposing. Much simpler than the lasagna glue with coolant channels of the current 3 Y pack design. **Cooling Simplification:** The new tabless cells have their heat output concentrated at the bottom where a simplified cooling layer can remove the heat. Again removing the complex cooling ribbons of the current pack design. | Reminds me of [Hexagons are the Bestagons](https: youtu.be thOifuHs6eY)! :D | what car is that legacy battery pack from? | 237 | 19 | 7,959 |
l1fm6f | 121 | PSA: ALWAYS remember to put your USB or hard drive back if you remove it! I took my USB stick out to review some footage and was lazy about putting it back in for a few days. Well while making a right turn into a driveway someone flew up from behind me and attempted to pass me on the right hand side as I was turning. I just received the police report and the idiot driver is trying to say that I veered across the double line to the opposite side of the road and then came back. Whereas I would have had footage from MULTIPLE angles of this incident to prove this guy wrong I m left with his word over mine. Learn from my mistake kids. Don t drive without your storage device! | This is one of the big reasons I will always recommend [TeslaUSB](https: github.com marcone teslausb) You never have to remove the dashcam again the Pi just automatically uploads the stuff to wherever you tell it to and you can use [TeslaCamViewer II](https: github.com NateMccomb TeslaCamViewerII) to review the footage on your own terms and time. I forgot to put the USB drive in enough that I realized just taking that option away would make life easier. | I m always afraid of this happening. I figure Murphy s law will bite me if I try to drive without it in. | 32 | 2 | 7,960 |
l1fm6f | 121 | PSA: ALWAYS remember to put your USB or hard drive back if you remove it! I took my USB stick out to review some footage and was lazy about putting it back in for a few days. Well while making a right turn into a driveway someone flew up from behind me and attempted to pass me on the right hand side as I was turning. I just received the police report and the idiot driver is trying to say that I veered across the double line to the opposite side of the road and then came back. Whereas I would have had footage from MULTIPLE angles of this incident to prove this guy wrong I m left with his word over mine. Learn from my mistake kids. Don t drive without your storage device! | This is one of the big reasons I will always recommend [TeslaUSB](https: github.com marcone teslausb) You never have to remove the dashcam again the Pi just automatically uploads the stuff to wherever you tell it to and you can use [TeslaCamViewer II](https: github.com NateMccomb TeslaCamViewerII) to review the footage on your own terms and time. I forgot to put the USB drive in enough that I realized just taking that option away would make life easier. | Thanks for your PSA! | 32 | 2 | 7,961 |
l1fm6f | 121 | PSA: ALWAYS remember to put your USB or hard drive back if you remove it! I took my USB stick out to review some footage and was lazy about putting it back in for a few days. Well while making a right turn into a driveway someone flew up from behind me and attempted to pass me on the right hand side as I was turning. I just received the police report and the idiot driver is trying to say that I veered across the double line to the opposite side of the road and then came back. Whereas I would have had footage from MULTIPLE angles of this incident to prove this guy wrong I m left with his word over mine. Learn from my mistake kids. Don t drive without your storage device! | This is one of the big reasons I will always recommend [TeslaUSB](https: github.com marcone teslausb) You never have to remove the dashcam again the Pi just automatically uploads the stuff to wherever you tell it to and you can use [TeslaCamViewer II](https: github.com NateMccomb TeslaCamViewerII) to review the footage on your own terms and time. I forgot to put the USB drive in enough that I realized just taking that option away would make life easier. | Sorry to hear that! Speaking of storage devices is there a particular one that s recommended for driving and sentry videos? | 32 | 5 | 7,962 |
l1pvqs | 589 | Logistics company owner here. I have a product request... megapack batteries that hook to existing hybrid electric locomotives For those of you not familiar with how locomotives work they are actually hybrid electric. When they go down hills they have nowhere to put that power and so they have to have massive electric heating elements that reject the waste power into the air instead of storing it in batteries. A typical locomotive is 5000kw so it would take about 4 megapacks to store the power for each locomotive. This is something like 6 million USD. But every cycle would save 1150 gallons of fuel. So over the 5000 cycle lifespan of the megapack it would save over 5 million gallons well over the twice the cost of the packs. With 4 cars worth of packs each locomotive could operate 24 hours at maximum power and several DAYS at reduced power. For lighter locomotives such as AMTRAK it could quite literally go across the entire country on a single charge. And cut fuel costs in half while doing so. | Paging u elonmuskofficial | There are so many cool things that can be done which Tesla is not doing - another Avenue: a much smaller and more efficient whole house generator coupled with a battery | 82 | 2 | 7,963 |
l1pvqs | 589 | Logistics company owner here. I have a product request... megapack batteries that hook to existing hybrid electric locomotives For those of you not familiar with how locomotives work they are actually hybrid electric. When they go down hills they have nowhere to put that power and so they have to have massive electric heating elements that reject the waste power into the air instead of storing it in batteries. A typical locomotive is 5000kw so it would take about 4 megapacks to store the power for each locomotive. This is something like 6 million USD. But every cycle would save 1150 gallons of fuel. So over the 5000 cycle lifespan of the megapack it would save over 5 million gallons well over the twice the cost of the packs. With 4 cars worth of packs each locomotive could operate 24 hours at maximum power and several DAYS at reduced power. For lighter locomotives such as AMTRAK it could quite literally go across the entire country on a single charge. And cut fuel costs in half while doing so. | Paging u elonmuskofficial | Batteries are very gravimetrically dense which is why it s taken this long into their development for them to be viable on a semi. Do locomotives not have a similar maximum weight to semis decided either by the load-bearing capacity of the tracks or some government regulations? | 82 | 6 | 7,964 |
l1pvqs | 589 | Logistics company owner here. I have a product request... megapack batteries that hook to existing hybrid electric locomotives For those of you not familiar with how locomotives work they are actually hybrid electric. When they go down hills they have nowhere to put that power and so they have to have massive electric heating elements that reject the waste power into the air instead of storing it in batteries. A typical locomotive is 5000kw so it would take about 4 megapacks to store the power for each locomotive. This is something like 6 million USD. But every cycle would save 1150 gallons of fuel. So over the 5000 cycle lifespan of the megapack it would save over 5 million gallons well over the twice the cost of the packs. With 4 cars worth of packs each locomotive could operate 24 hours at maximum power and several DAYS at reduced power. For lighter locomotives such as AMTRAK it could quite literally go across the entire country on a single charge. And cut fuel costs in half while doing so. | Paging u elonmuskofficial | This is something that some public transit systems already use. I forget the city but its in the US. Their subway trains use regenerative breaking when they approach terminals the power is stored in large batteries nearby (not from tesla however I think Saft provided them). The batteries are used to help the subway trains accelerate to speed. This prevents having to hold the weight of the batteries on the vehicle itself. | 82 | 6 | 7,965 |
l37wss | 175 | Firmware 2020.48.35.5 has restored the larger fonts. So I can t exactly speak for the X Y or 3 crowd so please feel free to chime in. I just noticed on the latest firmware pushed tonight for me 2020.48.35.5 on my binnacle the font s have somewhat been restored to the larger size as they were before. Much nicer seeing the old font scaling and it took me by surprise. | I can report the same on my S. Thanks Tesla for listening to this feedback. Still unsure if it was intentional or a bug since the alignment was all wrong but I m very happy this is fixed. | Oh man I hope so. Can t wait to get it on X again | 47 | 5 | 7,966 |
l3fg47 | 26 | Locking in the price: preorder now or after potential refresh? Hi all. With the rumors of the refresh coming I was wondering what everyone thinks will happen to the price of the X? I m considering ordering now to lock in the current price in case it climbs and then assuming the refresh happens delaying delivery until I am sure to get the new design - assuming they allow that? My second question if I reserve now am I risking paying more for it with the current price if by some chance the new X costs less? What if there are additional new features to add on? Would I be able to add them after the preorder is placed? Hope that made sense. Any input or knowledge of the process would be helpful - this will be my first Tesla buying experience. This was posted in r modelx but I thought I may get better insight to past ordering experience by including those who have purchased other models. Thanks for reading! Update: I just went ahead and did it. A good point was made that the worst that happens is I have to cancel the order or whatever and lose $100. So I figured it was a risk to take. Thanks again everyone. | When in doubt order now. A couple possibilities: 1. There s no refresh and you get the car at the price you ordered. 2. There s a refresh and a price increase and you are allowed to purchase the new vehicle at the old cost. If you make any modifications you are automatically moved to the new price point. 3. There is a refresh and no price increase. You purchase as normal. 4. There is a refresh and a price increase and you are not able to continue the order without moving to the higher cost. You may continue or cancel your order likely for a full refund so they do not run afoul of false-advertising laws. Tesla never does anything just one way so we can t be sure until it happens. | They may just cancel all orders. Also there are no old ones around for them to sell you according to salesman in Seattle. He says they re all gone. | 42 | 8 | 7,967 |
l3n3xe | 513 | I got to meet Sandy Munro on his Model 3 road trip! TeslaClubLA hosted an event with Sandy Munro and his videographer Cory (who s actually an engineer) at a supercharger in Malibu today and it was a blast! I happened to arrive moments before he did and ended up in [the supercharger space right next to his](https: imgur.com K696xSG) (mine is the blue Model 3 in the foreground). Sandy s a really funny guy and I had a ton of fun as [he regaled us](https: imgur.com qmt3cJi) with all kinds of great stories. Here s the stuff I can remember: His team has 5 Cybertrucks on order. One for teardown four to own. Including one for Sandy which he seems pretty excited about owning since he likes offroading. He s working with two companies who are making Fuel Cell VTOL aircraft. Hydrogen is better for them than batteries because they can refuel quickly at airfields by just swapping prepared hydrogen tanks vs. having to wait to charge. They re reconsidering tearing down their 2021 Model 3 because they like driving it so much. And Sandy _loves_ Autpilot. He said it took him a while to warm up to it but now that they ve driven on AP from Michigan to SoCal he adores it. Sandy mentioned that his company once made a fully autonomous aircraft but that autonomy system only had to worry about intra-vehicle distances of thousands of feet minimum. He finds Autopilot s ability to drive safely with not even 5 feet between cars to be extremely impressive. They re getting a Rivian this summer for tear down. I don t know what model though as I only overheard that from a conversation that Cory was having with someone else. Sandy called dealership laws in Michigan (where he lives and works) dinosaurs . Munro and Associates worked with GM on the Viper. Sandy s had a long relationship with Bob Lutz who doesn t see eye to eye with Sandy on EVs at all. Heh. Sandy s heard from folks in the know that Giga Austin has been going up exceptionally fast for an American construction project. But still no where near as fast as Giga Shanghai. He railed really hard on Tesla s QC. He s not kidding about finding that really disappointing. He said *no one* else has what Tesla has under the skin though. Said his 2021 Model 3 s paint job is good too. Cory talked about how they have *several hours* of outtakes and bloopers from their filming for the [Munro Live](https: www.youtube.com channel UCj--iMtToRO_cGG_fpmP5XQ) youtube channel which you can watch if you sign up for their Patreon. The RPMTesla guys showed Sandy their after market power frunk and he was thrilled. This one really shocked me. Sandy says the injection molding for the mega casting machine takes **4 milliseconds** to fill. They let the mold stay shut for a while afterward to run cold water through it. He also said CT is going to have two castings for front and rear according to Sandy s buddies in the Tesla casting group. Sandy had a VERY funny anecdote about two interviews he conducted while naked. Munro & Associates has gotten a HUGE boost in business from their YouTube channel. Cory said they ve gotten 250 000 000 impressions from their videos which would have cost them about $2 000 000 to get from traditional advertising. That s all I can remember. The whole event was about 90 minutes and we got lucky that the clouds decided not to dump their water on us while we were there. It rained a good bit on my way to and from Malibu. | For all the people who complain about Tesla s quality control it s very interesting to see an old graybeard in auto manufacturing going from being very skeptical and critical of the early Model 3 to now being a total Tesla fan. Sandy completely focuses on the insane progress Tesla is making on EVs and their ability to quickly innovate. It makes me less worried about complaints of panel gaps. | Thanks for sharing! | 133 | 4 | 7,968 |
l3n3xe | 513 | I got to meet Sandy Munro on his Model 3 road trip! TeslaClubLA hosted an event with Sandy Munro and his videographer Cory (who s actually an engineer) at a supercharger in Malibu today and it was a blast! I happened to arrive moments before he did and ended up in [the supercharger space right next to his](https: imgur.com K696xSG) (mine is the blue Model 3 in the foreground). Sandy s a really funny guy and I had a ton of fun as [he regaled us](https: imgur.com qmt3cJi) with all kinds of great stories. Here s the stuff I can remember: His team has 5 Cybertrucks on order. One for teardown four to own. Including one for Sandy which he seems pretty excited about owning since he likes offroading. He s working with two companies who are making Fuel Cell VTOL aircraft. Hydrogen is better for them than batteries because they can refuel quickly at airfields by just swapping prepared hydrogen tanks vs. having to wait to charge. They re reconsidering tearing down their 2021 Model 3 because they like driving it so much. And Sandy _loves_ Autpilot. He said it took him a while to warm up to it but now that they ve driven on AP from Michigan to SoCal he adores it. Sandy mentioned that his company once made a fully autonomous aircraft but that autonomy system only had to worry about intra-vehicle distances of thousands of feet minimum. He finds Autopilot s ability to drive safely with not even 5 feet between cars to be extremely impressive. They re getting a Rivian this summer for tear down. I don t know what model though as I only overheard that from a conversation that Cory was having with someone else. Sandy called dealership laws in Michigan (where he lives and works) dinosaurs . Munro and Associates worked with GM on the Viper. Sandy s had a long relationship with Bob Lutz who doesn t see eye to eye with Sandy on EVs at all. Heh. Sandy s heard from folks in the know that Giga Austin has been going up exceptionally fast for an American construction project. But still no where near as fast as Giga Shanghai. He railed really hard on Tesla s QC. He s not kidding about finding that really disappointing. He said *no one* else has what Tesla has under the skin though. Said his 2021 Model 3 s paint job is good too. Cory talked about how they have *several hours* of outtakes and bloopers from their filming for the [Munro Live](https: www.youtube.com channel UCj--iMtToRO_cGG_fpmP5XQ) youtube channel which you can watch if you sign up for their Patreon. The RPMTesla guys showed Sandy their after market power frunk and he was thrilled. This one really shocked me. Sandy says the injection molding for the mega casting machine takes **4 milliseconds** to fill. They let the mold stay shut for a while afterward to run cold water through it. He also said CT is going to have two castings for front and rear according to Sandy s buddies in the Tesla casting group. Sandy had a VERY funny anecdote about two interviews he conducted while naked. Munro & Associates has gotten a HUGE boost in business from their YouTube channel. Cory said they ve gotten 250 000 000 impressions from their videos which would have cost them about $2 000 000 to get from traditional advertising. That s all I can remember. The whole event was about 90 minutes and we got lucky that the clouds decided not to dump their water on us while we were there. It rained a good bit on my way to and from Malibu. | For all the people who complain about Tesla s quality control it s very interesting to see an old graybeard in auto manufacturing going from being very skeptical and critical of the early Model 3 to now being a total Tesla fan. Sandy completely focuses on the insane progress Tesla is making on EVs and their ability to quickly innovate. It makes me less worried about complaints of panel gaps. | Thanks. Ah... I was wondering why giga presses were showing up in Austin already. For some dumb reason I assumed the giga presses were for Model Y but that didn t make sense with CyberTruck supposedly being the first to be built in Austin. Using castings for the truck squares the two ideas. Hmm... maybe I just assumed the CyberTruck structure would be steel based rather than aluminum? | 133 | 7 | 7,969 |
l3n3xe | 513 | I got to meet Sandy Munro on his Model 3 road trip! TeslaClubLA hosted an event with Sandy Munro and his videographer Cory (who s actually an engineer) at a supercharger in Malibu today and it was a blast! I happened to arrive moments before he did and ended up in [the supercharger space right next to his](https: imgur.com K696xSG) (mine is the blue Model 3 in the foreground). Sandy s a really funny guy and I had a ton of fun as [he regaled us](https: imgur.com qmt3cJi) with all kinds of great stories. Here s the stuff I can remember: His team has 5 Cybertrucks on order. One for teardown four to own. Including one for Sandy which he seems pretty excited about owning since he likes offroading. He s working with two companies who are making Fuel Cell VTOL aircraft. Hydrogen is better for them than batteries because they can refuel quickly at airfields by just swapping prepared hydrogen tanks vs. having to wait to charge. They re reconsidering tearing down their 2021 Model 3 because they like driving it so much. And Sandy _loves_ Autpilot. He said it took him a while to warm up to it but now that they ve driven on AP from Michigan to SoCal he adores it. Sandy mentioned that his company once made a fully autonomous aircraft but that autonomy system only had to worry about intra-vehicle distances of thousands of feet minimum. He finds Autopilot s ability to drive safely with not even 5 feet between cars to be extremely impressive. They re getting a Rivian this summer for tear down. I don t know what model though as I only overheard that from a conversation that Cory was having with someone else. Sandy called dealership laws in Michigan (where he lives and works) dinosaurs . Munro and Associates worked with GM on the Viper. Sandy s had a long relationship with Bob Lutz who doesn t see eye to eye with Sandy on EVs at all. Heh. Sandy s heard from folks in the know that Giga Austin has been going up exceptionally fast for an American construction project. But still no where near as fast as Giga Shanghai. He railed really hard on Tesla s QC. He s not kidding about finding that really disappointing. He said *no one* else has what Tesla has under the skin though. Said his 2021 Model 3 s paint job is good too. Cory talked about how they have *several hours* of outtakes and bloopers from their filming for the [Munro Live](https: www.youtube.com channel UCj--iMtToRO_cGG_fpmP5XQ) youtube channel which you can watch if you sign up for their Patreon. The RPMTesla guys showed Sandy their after market power frunk and he was thrilled. This one really shocked me. Sandy says the injection molding for the mega casting machine takes **4 milliseconds** to fill. They let the mold stay shut for a while afterward to run cold water through it. He also said CT is going to have two castings for front and rear according to Sandy s buddies in the Tesla casting group. Sandy had a VERY funny anecdote about two interviews he conducted while naked. Munro & Associates has gotten a HUGE boost in business from their YouTube channel. Cory said they ve gotten 250 000 000 impressions from their videos which would have cost them about $2 000 000 to get from traditional advertising. That s all I can remember. The whole event was about 90 minutes and we got lucky that the clouds decided not to dump their water on us while we were there. It rained a good bit on my way to and from Malibu. | For all the people who complain about Tesla s quality control it s very interesting to see an old graybeard in auto manufacturing going from being very skeptical and critical of the early Model 3 to now being a total Tesla fan. Sandy completely focuses on the insane progress Tesla is making on EVs and their ability to quickly innovate. It makes me less worried about complaints of panel gaps. | That is awesome! So bummed I missed him that Malibu Supercharger is my local one and I was there yesterday. Should have gone today! | 133 | 11 | 7,970 |
l4b8js | 124 | Wishlist: Model Y with 2 Captain Chairs The model Y is a great car but for young families that cannot quite afford the $100 000 price tag of the Model X - I wish the Model Y had 2 captain chairs and was offered as a 6 seater. This would open up the model Y to more customers that are okay with an SUV do not want to buy a minivan. | Would also give more leg room for the 3rd row in the Y to stretch your legs down the middle. | What the heck are captain chairs? | 53 | 12 | 7,971 |
l4pmzp | 93 | Let s talk Autopilot and Full Self Driving Disclaimer: I know this post has the potential of getting downvoted to death but I would love to have a conversation using unbiased and critical thinking I am a Tesla owner. I bought a Tesla Model Y just recently. I have used it s Autopilot features a lot. It has done some scary things that I m sure you re all aware of. There are countless videos on internet that Tesla Autopilot or FSD(beta) has done things that could lead to death. & #x200B In contrast take a look at where Cruise and Waymo are at. Here is a customer video of the [Waymo](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=qAZ6tJSj9T4) experience. I couldn t find a customer video of the Cruise experience but [this one](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=sliYTyRpRB8) is close. & #x200B What I find different is that those other systems are way more stable and confident. Tesla s lane detection algorithm is not even close to those systems. I often see the projection of the road in my Tesla is jittery and shaky. & #x200B My experience using the Tesla Autopilot gives me zero confidence that this system will evolve into anything like Waymo or Cruise. The level of details on those maps are not comparable. & #x200B How you all are so confident that Tesla will crack this without the extra sensors and computation power that other systems have? | Waymo is limited to a very specific area Tesla is working on a general solution that works everywhere. | Its because the other systems are programmed and taught for that road whereas AP works everywhere! No downvote from me you have a legit question. | 152 | 36 | 7,972 |
l4pmzp | 93 | Let s talk Autopilot and Full Self Driving Disclaimer: I know this post has the potential of getting downvoted to death but I would love to have a conversation using unbiased and critical thinking I am a Tesla owner. I bought a Tesla Model Y just recently. I have used it s Autopilot features a lot. It has done some scary things that I m sure you re all aware of. There are countless videos on internet that Tesla Autopilot or FSD(beta) has done things that could lead to death. & #x200B In contrast take a look at where Cruise and Waymo are at. Here is a customer video of the [Waymo](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=qAZ6tJSj9T4) experience. I couldn t find a customer video of the Cruise experience but [this one](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=sliYTyRpRB8) is close. & #x200B What I find different is that those other systems are way more stable and confident. Tesla s lane detection algorithm is not even close to those systems. I often see the projection of the road in my Tesla is jittery and shaky. & #x200B My experience using the Tesla Autopilot gives me zero confidence that this system will evolve into anything like Waymo or Cruise. The level of details on those maps are not comparable. & #x200B How you all are so confident that Tesla will crack this without the extra sensors and computation power that other systems have? | Waymo only works on pre-mapped cities. That means the company had to drive every street of that city and program it along with traffic signs cross walks etc in their systems. Why do you think its only available in that one city in Arizona. New wide roads easy to navigate not too much traffic. And if I read correctly its not the entire city it s just a section of the city. It s rolling out in another city in AZ soon. AZ has nice wide road. Good luck having waymo in cities such as LA NY or Chicago. GM supercruise works only on pre-mapped highways. That means GM has to physically drive the highway and upload the data to their systems for SC to work If highway is new the system will not work until GM maps it. I also heard that if their servers are down you cant use the system. Tesla AP FSD works with GPS data maps and vision. Uses GPS and maps to get directions but uses vision to read road markings signs cross walks and traffic and makes those decisions based on the info from vision. New road just built? you can use AP FSD! | Good question! Check out “whole Mars catalog” on Twitter he has more insightful opinions on this. | 46 | 2 | 7,973 |
l4pmzp | 93 | Let s talk Autopilot and Full Self Driving Disclaimer: I know this post has the potential of getting downvoted to death but I would love to have a conversation using unbiased and critical thinking I am a Tesla owner. I bought a Tesla Model Y just recently. I have used it s Autopilot features a lot. It has done some scary things that I m sure you re all aware of. There are countless videos on internet that Tesla Autopilot or FSD(beta) has done things that could lead to death. & #x200B In contrast take a look at where Cruise and Waymo are at. Here is a customer video of the [Waymo](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=qAZ6tJSj9T4) experience. I couldn t find a customer video of the Cruise experience but [this one](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=sliYTyRpRB8) is close. & #x200B What I find different is that those other systems are way more stable and confident. Tesla s lane detection algorithm is not even close to those systems. I often see the projection of the road in my Tesla is jittery and shaky. & #x200B My experience using the Tesla Autopilot gives me zero confidence that this system will evolve into anything like Waymo or Cruise. The level of details on those maps are not comparable. & #x200B How you all are so confident that Tesla will crack this without the extra sensors and computation power that other systems have? | Waymo only works on pre-mapped cities. That means the company had to drive every street of that city and program it along with traffic signs cross walks etc in their systems. Why do you think its only available in that one city in Arizona. New wide roads easy to navigate not too much traffic. And if I read correctly its not the entire city it s just a section of the city. It s rolling out in another city in AZ soon. AZ has nice wide road. Good luck having waymo in cities such as LA NY or Chicago. GM supercruise works only on pre-mapped highways. That means GM has to physically drive the highway and upload the data to their systems for SC to work If highway is new the system will not work until GM maps it. I also heard that if their servers are down you cant use the system. Tesla AP FSD works with GPS data maps and vision. Uses GPS and maps to get directions but uses vision to read road markings signs cross walks and traffic and makes those decisions based on the info from vision. New road just built? you can use AP FSD! | They are completely different and in certain places it could seem like waymo and cruise work better because they have been built specifically to work in those places. Autopilot may not be as consistent as the other ones but it does work on roads that it has never seen before. | 46 | 3 | 7,974 |
l4r3sf | 100 | So about the other half of the holiday update... I remember the mods saying that an exciting update was coming soon but we are now at the end of January and nothing has arrived. Does anybody have an idea as to when to expect the other half of the holiday update and whether or not it will be a let down? | As a long term Tesla owner I recommend taking anything Elon says on Twitter with a planet sized chunk of salt. FSD is the poster child for his pronouncements that don t match reality going on four years now. | We are 1 week away from the end of January! | 73 | 3 | 7,975 |
l4r3sf | 100 | So about the other half of the holiday update... I remember the mods saying that an exciting update was coming soon but we are now at the end of January and nothing has arrived. Does anybody have an idea as to when to expect the other half of the holiday update and whether or not it will be a let down? | As a long term Tesla owner I recommend taking anything Elon says on Twitter with a planet sized chunk of salt. FSD is the poster child for his pronouncements that don t match reality going on four years now. | Glad to see I m not the only person waiting hoping for the second part of what was to have been included in the fire update. I understand why Tesla doesn t publish a roadmap as part of the product management organization for a F500 software company. However it would be good if they would give some sense of when a feature update was planned for release and if delayed (as in this case) an ETA on the release w o identifying the specific deliverables expected in that release. | 73 | 9 | 7,976 |
l4r3sf | 100 | So about the other half of the holiday update... I remember the mods saying that an exciting update was coming soon but we are now at the end of January and nothing has arrived. Does anybody have an idea as to when to expect the other half of the holiday update and whether or not it will be a let down? | As a long term Tesla owner I recommend taking anything Elon says on Twitter with a planet sized chunk of salt. FSD is the poster child for his pronouncements that don t match reality going on four years now. | When it s ready. Wouldn t want it any sooner. | 73 | 10 | 7,977 |
l580hf | 168 | The feasibility study on the old Model 3 modified steering wheel heating # 1， Current findings The steering wheel has been disassembled in the past few days and it is found that there are 3 wires connecting the steering wheel and the hairspring. After query the three lines are: No. 1 pin GND No. 2 pin 12V+ No. 4 pin LIN These three lines all enter the module under the steering wheel and the corresponding line sequence is 1-17 2-11 4-10 The heating port of the original factory with heating steering wheel is four wires The four wires are: pin 1 GND pin 2 temperature control signal pin 3 GND pin 4 12V+ These four wires also enter the module under the steering wheel and the corresponding wire sequence is 1-12 2-2 3-13 4-1 & #x200B [The specific line sequence is shown in the figure](https: preview.redd.it 0er1ay0pcmd61.jpg?width=625& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=ea0d9faf139ed2aaf5be777fa3fbdfe11b27cd71) Disassemble the steering wheel module and read the circuit board to know & #x200B [The ECU](https: preview.redd.it k0hw9nvycmd61.jpg?width=632& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=344f14f2dacc5ffc190a90d7cf92602faff28d62) The power supply for the steering wheel heating is controlled by the switch chip model 7004-1 in the upper left corner. When it is turned on it is directly powered by the No. 11 pin which is the No. 2 pin of the hairspring. [The7004switch](https: preview.redd.it ns542an5dmd61.jpg?width=854& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=5d1d8f0834e96f1fd37e46b4f8d93b6b71286617) The temperature control of heating is controlled by Freescale s S9KEAZ64AM microcontroller: & #x200B [S9KEAZ64AM](https: preview.redd.it rbokd1u8dmd61.jpg?width=511& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=aacc8923a528cd6e594dcfb0d01bf53bab418597) Use api to query the vehicle configuration and found that there is no relevant field there should be a field similar to steering\\_wheel\\_heater : false. It is speculated that the current firmware (48.35.5) has not added steering wheel heating configuration information. The vehicle\\_config queried are as follows: (The timestamp has been hidden) & #x200B wheel\\_type : Pinwheel18 sun\\_roof\\_installed :null default\\_charge\\_to\\_max :false seat\\_type :null rear\\_seat\\_type :null key\\_version :2 use\\_range\\_badging :true exterior\\_trim : Chrome can\\_accept\\_navigation\\_requests :true roof\\_color : Glass ece\\_restrictions :false rhd :false has\\_ludicrous\\_mode :false car\\_special\\_type : base spoiler\\_type : Passive timestamp : plg :false motorized\\_charge\\_port :true eu\\_vehicle :true rear\\_seat\\_heaters :1 third\\_row\\_seats : < invalid> has\\_air\\_suspension :false can\\_actuate\\_trunks :true car\\_type : model3 charge\\_port\\_type : GB exterior\\_color : SolidBlack & #x200B # 2 Inference and plan At present there are no relevant fields in the vehicle system. Even if the hardware is in place and the toolbox permissions are in place ( perhaps ) the original steering wheel heating cannot be activated by software. The ota option will be opened after adding fields in the subsequent software update. & #x200B So currently physical wiring is used to achieve steering wheel heating & #x200B My approach is: refer to the original pin definition to directly take electricity from the hairspring 1 and 2 pins. A key switch in series with the positive pole I bought a new steering wheel with heating wire harness. There are two differences in hardware 1) steering wheel & #x200B https: preview.redd.it ai0zj65kyrd61.jpg?width=1440& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=66079dd02289d829a9298009c1090d3526cdf3bc 2) steering wheel wire harness，But I have not used it yet。 & #x200B https: preview.redd.it yil3ve6myrd61.jpg?width=1048& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=cdd80e2319aff103787ca71a6a37d32be6d81c3b & #x200B Replace the original steering wheel module panel and paste the switch in the gap with hot melt glue https: preview.redd.it zuoycfypdmd61.jpg?width=1264& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=4359d41a25a8d77bf7b68db14f9baeed7596d163 After testing the heating function is normal but the Efuse trips after heating for a long time & #x200B https: preview.redd.it m9ni1fusdmd61.jpg?width=766& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=08bca51188c0ee2cdb83ac15c47b26b938ab1f7e After the key switch a 40-degree normally closed temperature control switch is connected in series and the temperature control head is bound to the lower end of the steering wheel heating wire harness with insulating tape. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it hyvpt3j9emd61.jpg?width=1080& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=e1298264b4a23cb0c3b18cce8beff0fd03aa2c0b The fault disappears and the heating function is normal https: preview.redd.it bi19850udmd61.jpg?width=1170& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=7e7c29070e76c71f6058ec4df64f311d9a301962 # 3 There are current problems The temperature threshold of the temperature control switch and the binding position determine the heating effect and multiple attempts are required to obtain the best effect. | For those asking I think the TL:DR of this is: 1) physically it s feasible to adapt this as a retrofit either by Tesla as a for-cost upgrade option or as a DIY swap. 2) the above requires a software update to handle which we can t do. Would require Tesla to support it or some more advanced way to trick the system into allowing it to be activated. 3) you can use a physical switch in wiring. Needs a thermal check cutout to be wired in to prevent a fuse tripping but otherwise works. Obviously #3 is positive news but isn t going to give a “Tesla” feel but its a start. It s promising that it suggests it *could* be an official retrofit in the future. | Can you repeat that in English for us? | 87 | 3 | 7,978 |
l580hf | 168 | The feasibility study on the old Model 3 modified steering wheel heating # 1， Current findings The steering wheel has been disassembled in the past few days and it is found that there are 3 wires connecting the steering wheel and the hairspring. After query the three lines are: No. 1 pin GND No. 2 pin 12V+ No. 4 pin LIN These three lines all enter the module under the steering wheel and the corresponding line sequence is 1-17 2-11 4-10 The heating port of the original factory with heating steering wheel is four wires The four wires are: pin 1 GND pin 2 temperature control signal pin 3 GND pin 4 12V+ These four wires also enter the module under the steering wheel and the corresponding wire sequence is 1-12 2-2 3-13 4-1 & #x200B [The specific line sequence is shown in the figure](https: preview.redd.it 0er1ay0pcmd61.jpg?width=625& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=ea0d9faf139ed2aaf5be777fa3fbdfe11b27cd71) Disassemble the steering wheel module and read the circuit board to know & #x200B [The ECU](https: preview.redd.it k0hw9nvycmd61.jpg?width=632& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=344f14f2dacc5ffc190a90d7cf92602faff28d62) The power supply for the steering wheel heating is controlled by the switch chip model 7004-1 in the upper left corner. When it is turned on it is directly powered by the No. 11 pin which is the No. 2 pin of the hairspring. [The7004switch](https: preview.redd.it ns542an5dmd61.jpg?width=854& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=5d1d8f0834e96f1fd37e46b4f8d93b6b71286617) The temperature control of heating is controlled by Freescale s S9KEAZ64AM microcontroller: & #x200B [S9KEAZ64AM](https: preview.redd.it rbokd1u8dmd61.jpg?width=511& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=aacc8923a528cd6e594dcfb0d01bf53bab418597) Use api to query the vehicle configuration and found that there is no relevant field there should be a field similar to steering\\_wheel\\_heater : false. It is speculated that the current firmware (48.35.5) has not added steering wheel heating configuration information. The vehicle\\_config queried are as follows: (The timestamp has been hidden) & #x200B wheel\\_type : Pinwheel18 sun\\_roof\\_installed :null default\\_charge\\_to\\_max :false seat\\_type :null rear\\_seat\\_type :null key\\_version :2 use\\_range\\_badging :true exterior\\_trim : Chrome can\\_accept\\_navigation\\_requests :true roof\\_color : Glass ece\\_restrictions :false rhd :false has\\_ludicrous\\_mode :false car\\_special\\_type : base spoiler\\_type : Passive timestamp : plg :false motorized\\_charge\\_port :true eu\\_vehicle :true rear\\_seat\\_heaters :1 third\\_row\\_seats : < invalid> has\\_air\\_suspension :false can\\_actuate\\_trunks :true car\\_type : model3 charge\\_port\\_type : GB exterior\\_color : SolidBlack & #x200B # 2 Inference and plan At present there are no relevant fields in the vehicle system. Even if the hardware is in place and the toolbox permissions are in place ( perhaps ) the original steering wheel heating cannot be activated by software. The ota option will be opened after adding fields in the subsequent software update. & #x200B So currently physical wiring is used to achieve steering wheel heating & #x200B My approach is: refer to the original pin definition to directly take electricity from the hairspring 1 and 2 pins. A key switch in series with the positive pole I bought a new steering wheel with heating wire harness. There are two differences in hardware 1) steering wheel & #x200B https: preview.redd.it ai0zj65kyrd61.jpg?width=1440& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=66079dd02289d829a9298009c1090d3526cdf3bc 2) steering wheel wire harness，But I have not used it yet。 & #x200B https: preview.redd.it yil3ve6myrd61.jpg?width=1048& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=cdd80e2319aff103787ca71a6a37d32be6d81c3b & #x200B Replace the original steering wheel module panel and paste the switch in the gap with hot melt glue https: preview.redd.it zuoycfypdmd61.jpg?width=1264& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=4359d41a25a8d77bf7b68db14f9baeed7596d163 After testing the heating function is normal but the Efuse trips after heating for a long time & #x200B https: preview.redd.it m9ni1fusdmd61.jpg?width=766& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=08bca51188c0ee2cdb83ac15c47b26b938ab1f7e After the key switch a 40-degree normally closed temperature control switch is connected in series and the temperature control head is bound to the lower end of the steering wheel heating wire harness with insulating tape. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it hyvpt3j9emd61.jpg?width=1080& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=e1298264b4a23cb0c3b18cce8beff0fd03aa2c0b The fault disappears and the heating function is normal https: preview.redd.it bi19850udmd61.jpg?width=1170& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=7e7c29070e76c71f6058ec4df64f311d9a301962 # 3 There are current problems The temperature threshold of the temperature control switch and the binding position determine the heating effect and multiple attempts are required to obtain the best effect. | For those asking I think the TL:DR of this is: 1) physically it s feasible to adapt this as a retrofit either by Tesla as a for-cost upgrade option or as a DIY swap. 2) the above requires a software update to handle which we can t do. Would require Tesla to support it or some more advanced way to trick the system into allowing it to be activated. 3) you can use a physical switch in wiring. Needs a thermal check cutout to be wired in to prevent a fuse tripping but otherwise works. Obviously #3 is positive news but isn t going to give a “Tesla” feel but its a start. It s promising that it suggests it *could* be an official retrofit in the future. | Awesome job! | 87 | 3 | 7,979 |
l580hf | 168 | The feasibility study on the old Model 3 modified steering wheel heating # 1， Current findings The steering wheel has been disassembled in the past few days and it is found that there are 3 wires connecting the steering wheel and the hairspring. After query the three lines are: No. 1 pin GND No. 2 pin 12V+ No. 4 pin LIN These three lines all enter the module under the steering wheel and the corresponding line sequence is 1-17 2-11 4-10 The heating port of the original factory with heating steering wheel is four wires The four wires are: pin 1 GND pin 2 temperature control signal pin 3 GND pin 4 12V+ These four wires also enter the module under the steering wheel and the corresponding wire sequence is 1-12 2-2 3-13 4-1 & #x200B [The specific line sequence is shown in the figure](https: preview.redd.it 0er1ay0pcmd61.jpg?width=625& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=ea0d9faf139ed2aaf5be777fa3fbdfe11b27cd71) Disassemble the steering wheel module and read the circuit board to know & #x200B [The ECU](https: preview.redd.it k0hw9nvycmd61.jpg?width=632& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=344f14f2dacc5ffc190a90d7cf92602faff28d62) The power supply for the steering wheel heating is controlled by the switch chip model 7004-1 in the upper left corner. When it is turned on it is directly powered by the No. 11 pin which is the No. 2 pin of the hairspring. [The7004switch](https: preview.redd.it ns542an5dmd61.jpg?width=854& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=5d1d8f0834e96f1fd37e46b4f8d93b6b71286617) The temperature control of heating is controlled by Freescale s S9KEAZ64AM microcontroller: & #x200B [S9KEAZ64AM](https: preview.redd.it rbokd1u8dmd61.jpg?width=511& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=aacc8923a528cd6e594dcfb0d01bf53bab418597) Use api to query the vehicle configuration and found that there is no relevant field there should be a field similar to steering\\_wheel\\_heater : false. It is speculated that the current firmware (48.35.5) has not added steering wheel heating configuration information. The vehicle\\_config queried are as follows: (The timestamp has been hidden) & #x200B wheel\\_type : Pinwheel18 sun\\_roof\\_installed :null default\\_charge\\_to\\_max :false seat\\_type :null rear\\_seat\\_type :null key\\_version :2 use\\_range\\_badging :true exterior\\_trim : Chrome can\\_accept\\_navigation\\_requests :true roof\\_color : Glass ece\\_restrictions :false rhd :false has\\_ludicrous\\_mode :false car\\_special\\_type : base spoiler\\_type : Passive timestamp : plg :false motorized\\_charge\\_port :true eu\\_vehicle :true rear\\_seat\\_heaters :1 third\\_row\\_seats : < invalid> has\\_air\\_suspension :false can\\_actuate\\_trunks :true car\\_type : model3 charge\\_port\\_type : GB exterior\\_color : SolidBlack & #x200B # 2 Inference and plan At present there are no relevant fields in the vehicle system. Even if the hardware is in place and the toolbox permissions are in place ( perhaps ) the original steering wheel heating cannot be activated by software. The ota option will be opened after adding fields in the subsequent software update. & #x200B So currently physical wiring is used to achieve steering wheel heating & #x200B My approach is: refer to the original pin definition to directly take electricity from the hairspring 1 and 2 pins. A key switch in series with the positive pole I bought a new steering wheel with heating wire harness. There are two differences in hardware 1) steering wheel & #x200B https: preview.redd.it ai0zj65kyrd61.jpg?width=1440& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=66079dd02289d829a9298009c1090d3526cdf3bc 2) steering wheel wire harness，But I have not used it yet。 & #x200B https: preview.redd.it yil3ve6myrd61.jpg?width=1048& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=cdd80e2319aff103787ca71a6a37d32be6d81c3b & #x200B Replace the original steering wheel module panel and paste the switch in the gap with hot melt glue https: preview.redd.it zuoycfypdmd61.jpg?width=1264& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=4359d41a25a8d77bf7b68db14f9baeed7596d163 After testing the heating function is normal but the Efuse trips after heating for a long time & #x200B https: preview.redd.it m9ni1fusdmd61.jpg?width=766& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=08bca51188c0ee2cdb83ac15c47b26b938ab1f7e After the key switch a 40-degree normally closed temperature control switch is connected in series and the temperature control head is bound to the lower end of the steering wheel heating wire harness with insulating tape. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it hyvpt3j9emd61.jpg?width=1080& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=e1298264b4a23cb0c3b18cce8beff0fd03aa2c0b The fault disappears and the heating function is normal https: preview.redd.it bi19850udmd61.jpg?width=1170& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=7e7c29070e76c71f6058ec4df64f311d9a301962 # 3 There are current problems The temperature threshold of the temperature control switch and the binding position determine the heating effect and multiple attempts are required to obtain the best effect. | For those asking I think the TL:DR of this is: 1) physically it s feasible to adapt this as a retrofit either by Tesla as a for-cost upgrade option or as a DIY swap. 2) the above requires a software update to handle which we can t do. Would require Tesla to support it or some more advanced way to trick the system into allowing it to be activated. 3) you can use a physical switch in wiring. Needs a thermal check cutout to be wired in to prevent a fuse tripping but otherwise works. Obviously #3 is positive news but isn t going to give a “Tesla” feel but its a start. It s promising that it suggests it *could* be an official retrofit in the future. | Well I m sure that all means something | 87 | 7 | 7,980 |
l5ejgq | 62 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | FSD transferability | Just have the homelink button showing so I can close the garage after I pull in. Save me a button press. | 88 | 2 | 7,981 |
l5ejgq | 62 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | FSD transferability | Voice activation for voice commands Way to pre-confirm lane changes on no confirm mode Max volume limit Ability to set preferred routes to a given destination | 88 | 2 | 7,982 |
l5ejgq | 62 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | FSD transferability | Visualization. party mode for music when the vehicle is in park. Kinda like the visualizations you can use with PC audio etc. maybe control the interior lights as well. | 88 | 2 | 7,983 |
l6eiy7 | 130 | Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2020 Financial Results and Webcast - Megathread PALO ALTO Calif. January 14 2021 – Tesla will post its financial results for the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31 2020 after market close on Wednesday January 27 2021 (today). At that time Tesla will issue a brief advisory containing a link to the Q4 and full year 2020 update which will be available on Tesla s Investor Relations website. Tesla management will hold a live question and answer webcast that day at 3:30 p.m. Pacific Time (6:30 p.m. Eastern Time) to discuss the Company s financial and business results and outlook. **What**: Date of Tesla Q4 and full year 2020 Financial Results and Q& A Webcast **When**: Wednesday January 27 2021 **Time**: 3:30 p.m. Pacific Time 6:30 p.m. Eastern Time **Q4 & FY 2020 Update**: http: ir.tesla.com **Webcast**: http: ir.tesla.com (live and replay) Approximately two hours after the Q& A session an archived version of the webcast will be available on the Company s website. For additional information please visit http: ir.tesla.com. **Investor Relations Contact:** http: ir.tesla.com ## > > [Shareholder Deck](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static 78Z2ZX_2020_Q4_Quarterly_Update_Deck_SMXBZX.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q4-2020-Update.pdf%22) < < | Interesting things from the call: Elon: - Important milestone of delivering half a million cars - We delivered almost as many cars last year as we have produced in almost our entire history - Hat is off to the great people at Tesla - For first time in history almost the entire rear piece of Model Y is being casted. - Built Battery Cell factory in the bay area. Large enough to be considered top 10 on earth despite being a pilot plant - Excited to announce new Model S X Plaid. In production now and will be delivered in Feb. - Completely new interior - Will do another call about the Model S later. - Tremendous improvement over the prior version - Model S will be the first production car EVER to go 0 to 60 under 2 seconds - Luxury sedan and will be able to seat up to 7 people (3rd row seats) - Fastest car ever to be allowed on roads in history - Maybe more details later this week or next - Raising the price of the Model S ($10K more) - Best car of any kind at any price available in the world today - FSD: Massive progress. Recommend watching the videos of our beta testers. Almost 1000 people in the beta. Each successful release it gets better rapidly. It s now common to have no interventions on Elon s drives to places he hasn t been to before. Highly confident it will be able to drive anywhere better than a human this year. - Thinks that FSD will make the car 5x more useful once fully implemented - We believe 2021 is just the beginning. More exciting. Great year for Tesla. Many great new products coming out. Q& A: - What is currently holding Tesla back from being the market share leader in solar? - We ve seen tremendous growth. We do expect to become the market share leader in solar and go far beyond that. Unfortunately there were a few years there where we had to devote the whole company to the Model 3 production. Now we have more bandwidth and we re putting more attention on solar. It will not be long until Tesla is the market leader. We ve got the cost structure in the place where it needs to be. Important part is achieving better integration between power wall and roof inverter etc. We re focused on reduces the amount of time complexity of the install. We will dial it in this year. - Could current owners get ability to transfer their FSD to their next vehicle? This would be huge for loyalty and overall increase sales of vehicles while offering more FSD sales on the used vehicles. - We re not considering that at this time. We do offer an increase higher price with FSD than without FSD. I do think the market currently undervalues FSD. How good it s really going to be. We re currently not offering the ability to transfer. We will offer subscriptions pretty soon in a month or two. - Can you give us a progress update on dry coating of the battery electrode? At battery day Elon said I would not say this is completely in the bag yet as yields were low. - In-house cell manuf. has new processes and equipment. Continues to improve yield rate month over month. Our confidence has increased. We have 10gwh worth @ kato. Material supply chain is established. Team is ready for full production this year. We have confidence in the 4680 design. - Why are you confident Tesla will achieve level 5 autonomy in 2021 and why is DOJO not necessary to get there? - Confidence based on the roadmap and the progress we re making between each beta iteration. Not remarkable at all for the car currently to completely drive you there currently. Just needs to increase corner case reliability. Better than human by a factor of at least 100 or 200%. This is happening rapidly. We have so much training data. Software is improving dramatically. We also write the software for labeling. We re moving towards video labeling inference. Few neural nets need to be upgraded. As we transition each net to video performance is exceptional. Labeling software and making that better has a huge effect on efficiency. Holy grail is auto-labelling . Dojo may be the best neural net training computer. We could potentially offer it as a service in case others need neural net training. Could be a whole line of business in and of itself. 100% -- 200% to 2000% better. - What is Tesla s current gigawatt-hour run rate for 4680 cell production? How do you see this run rate evolving by mid-2021? end-2021? - The # to focus on is we have 100gwh tesla cells produced.. not important to look at the run-up.. we are installing capacity for 2022 for 200gwh year. We are progressing through the s-curve as fast as possible. - What is Tesla doing to improve the service experience? Tesla HAD a reputation for outstanding customer service now it is impossible to even call a service center and appointments are scheduled weeks out. - Jerome: Freq of service visits have been reduced by 1 3 over the last couple years. Goal is no service. Trying to make it as painless as possible. Increase mobile service. More than 40% of all visits. Trying to push that to 50% this year. 50% of service visits last less than 2 hours. We have 140 service centers in NA. 100 140 you can make an appointment in less than 10 days. We re gonna make sure they re all that quick. 11 new tesla centers in Dec. Plan to open 46 more in the first half of this year. Emphasis in on the app. We want all communications to go through the app instead of the phone. Written record of all communications. Pictures. Payment updates and more features that will come in the coming months. Ability to spot where your service tech is. How far he is from the car. Etc. We are investing in that. - What are the key milestone we need to achieve in order to evolve current FSD to a commercial Level4 5 ridesharing solution? - We need to transition neural nets in the car to video. In order to do that whole stack has to be changed to video. That means gathering video clips (surround video) 8 cameras with synchronized frame rates label everything in that video snip it and then trainit against that. IN the past we would label it from a single camera and single frame. We didn t combine the cameras. Question of getting work done. I don t see any obstacles here. - Does Tesla plan or expect to licence any of its software applications FSD and Autobidder in particular to 3rd party OEMs? - We re open to it. We ve had some prelim discussions with licensing AP to OEMs. We re happy to do. But obviously we need to do more work to prove Tesla AP is capable for FSD. We re not trying to make it Tesla Exclusive. We re not trying to create walled gardens. - Key differences in product customer preferences FSD strategy between China and the rest of the world? do we need to do things differently to win the Chinese EV market? - We currently are the leader of the Chinese EV market. We must be doing something right if we re the best selling EV in China. 1 or 2% of our customers in China have actually selected the FSD option. We definitely need to make it work well in China. Customers in China are among the most discerning in the world. Their attention to detail is incredible. I m confident they will buy FSD once it s worthwhile which is hopefully later this year. - Is it fair to argue that best way to think about company s long term earnings power is tied to profit unit of battery capacity? 3 TWh tgt.from battery day implies ~1 2 of LT battery capacity goes to storage depending on what you assume for pack size on Elon s 20M unit goal? - What s the output of battery cells in gwh and you can t grow faster than that. We ve improved the efficiency dramatically even with the SR battery pack. Reason Tesla is doing it s own cell production is to accelerate it s growth. It s not to compete against the cell suppliers. We will take as many batteries as they can produce. - Where are you in Cybertruck development? What are your expectations for Cybertruck deliveries in 2021? - Cybertruck engineering is finished. Design level is fixed. We re getting to order the equipment to make it work. We re using even larger machines to make the body. 8 000 TON cap and press. Model Y uses a 6 000 TON. Will be incredible. If we get lucky we will be able to do a few deliveries at the end of the year but I expect volume production to be in 2022. | The 4680 variant is the Plaid+ and the refreshed Plaid is going to be available in March. Also it will be $20k more. Meh. | 122 | 2 | 7,984 |
l6eiy7 | 130 | Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2020 Financial Results and Webcast - Megathread PALO ALTO Calif. January 14 2021 – Tesla will post its financial results for the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31 2020 after market close on Wednesday January 27 2021 (today). At that time Tesla will issue a brief advisory containing a link to the Q4 and full year 2020 update which will be available on Tesla s Investor Relations website. Tesla management will hold a live question and answer webcast that day at 3:30 p.m. Pacific Time (6:30 p.m. Eastern Time) to discuss the Company s financial and business results and outlook. **What**: Date of Tesla Q4 and full year 2020 Financial Results and Q& A Webcast **When**: Wednesday January 27 2021 **Time**: 3:30 p.m. Pacific Time 6:30 p.m. Eastern Time **Q4 & FY 2020 Update**: http: ir.tesla.com **Webcast**: http: ir.tesla.com (live and replay) Approximately two hours after the Q& A session an archived version of the webcast will be available on the Company s website. For additional information please visit http: ir.tesla.com. **Investor Relations Contact:** http: ir.tesla.com ## > > [Shareholder Deck](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static 78Z2ZX_2020_Q4_Quarterly_Update_Deck_SMXBZX.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q4-2020-Update.pdf%22) < < | Interesting things from the call: Elon: - Important milestone of delivering half a million cars - We delivered almost as many cars last year as we have produced in almost our entire history - Hat is off to the great people at Tesla - For first time in history almost the entire rear piece of Model Y is being casted. - Built Battery Cell factory in the bay area. Large enough to be considered top 10 on earth despite being a pilot plant - Excited to announce new Model S X Plaid. In production now and will be delivered in Feb. - Completely new interior - Will do another call about the Model S later. - Tremendous improvement over the prior version - Model S will be the first production car EVER to go 0 to 60 under 2 seconds - Luxury sedan and will be able to seat up to 7 people (3rd row seats) - Fastest car ever to be allowed on roads in history - Maybe more details later this week or next - Raising the price of the Model S ($10K more) - Best car of any kind at any price available in the world today - FSD: Massive progress. Recommend watching the videos of our beta testers. Almost 1000 people in the beta. Each successful release it gets better rapidly. It s now common to have no interventions on Elon s drives to places he hasn t been to before. Highly confident it will be able to drive anywhere better than a human this year. - Thinks that FSD will make the car 5x more useful once fully implemented - We believe 2021 is just the beginning. More exciting. Great year for Tesla. Many great new products coming out. Q& A: - What is currently holding Tesla back from being the market share leader in solar? - We ve seen tremendous growth. We do expect to become the market share leader in solar and go far beyond that. Unfortunately there were a few years there where we had to devote the whole company to the Model 3 production. Now we have more bandwidth and we re putting more attention on solar. It will not be long until Tesla is the market leader. We ve got the cost structure in the place where it needs to be. Important part is achieving better integration between power wall and roof inverter etc. We re focused on reduces the amount of time complexity of the install. We will dial it in this year. - Could current owners get ability to transfer their FSD to their next vehicle? This would be huge for loyalty and overall increase sales of vehicles while offering more FSD sales on the used vehicles. - We re not considering that at this time. We do offer an increase higher price with FSD than without FSD. I do think the market currently undervalues FSD. How good it s really going to be. We re currently not offering the ability to transfer. We will offer subscriptions pretty soon in a month or two. - Can you give us a progress update on dry coating of the battery electrode? At battery day Elon said I would not say this is completely in the bag yet as yields were low. - In-house cell manuf. has new processes and equipment. Continues to improve yield rate month over month. Our confidence has increased. We have 10gwh worth @ kato. Material supply chain is established. Team is ready for full production this year. We have confidence in the 4680 design. - Why are you confident Tesla will achieve level 5 autonomy in 2021 and why is DOJO not necessary to get there? - Confidence based on the roadmap and the progress we re making between each beta iteration. Not remarkable at all for the car currently to completely drive you there currently. Just needs to increase corner case reliability. Better than human by a factor of at least 100 or 200%. This is happening rapidly. We have so much training data. Software is improving dramatically. We also write the software for labeling. We re moving towards video labeling inference. Few neural nets need to be upgraded. As we transition each net to video performance is exceptional. Labeling software and making that better has a huge effect on efficiency. Holy grail is auto-labelling . Dojo may be the best neural net training computer. We could potentially offer it as a service in case others need neural net training. Could be a whole line of business in and of itself. 100% -- 200% to 2000% better. - What is Tesla s current gigawatt-hour run rate for 4680 cell production? How do you see this run rate evolving by mid-2021? end-2021? - The # to focus on is we have 100gwh tesla cells produced.. not important to look at the run-up.. we are installing capacity for 2022 for 200gwh year. We are progressing through the s-curve as fast as possible. - What is Tesla doing to improve the service experience? Tesla HAD a reputation for outstanding customer service now it is impossible to even call a service center and appointments are scheduled weeks out. - Jerome: Freq of service visits have been reduced by 1 3 over the last couple years. Goal is no service. Trying to make it as painless as possible. Increase mobile service. More than 40% of all visits. Trying to push that to 50% this year. 50% of service visits last less than 2 hours. We have 140 service centers in NA. 100 140 you can make an appointment in less than 10 days. We re gonna make sure they re all that quick. 11 new tesla centers in Dec. Plan to open 46 more in the first half of this year. Emphasis in on the app. We want all communications to go through the app instead of the phone. Written record of all communications. Pictures. Payment updates and more features that will come in the coming months. Ability to spot where your service tech is. How far he is from the car. Etc. We are investing in that. - What are the key milestone we need to achieve in order to evolve current FSD to a commercial Level4 5 ridesharing solution? - We need to transition neural nets in the car to video. In order to do that whole stack has to be changed to video. That means gathering video clips (surround video) 8 cameras with synchronized frame rates label everything in that video snip it and then trainit against that. IN the past we would label it from a single camera and single frame. We didn t combine the cameras. Question of getting work done. I don t see any obstacles here. - Does Tesla plan or expect to licence any of its software applications FSD and Autobidder in particular to 3rd party OEMs? - We re open to it. We ve had some prelim discussions with licensing AP to OEMs. We re happy to do. But obviously we need to do more work to prove Tesla AP is capable for FSD. We re not trying to make it Tesla Exclusive. We re not trying to create walled gardens. - Key differences in product customer preferences FSD strategy between China and the rest of the world? do we need to do things differently to win the Chinese EV market? - We currently are the leader of the Chinese EV market. We must be doing something right if we re the best selling EV in China. 1 or 2% of our customers in China have actually selected the FSD option. We definitely need to make it work well in China. Customers in China are among the most discerning in the world. Their attention to detail is incredible. I m confident they will buy FSD once it s worthwhile which is hopefully later this year. - Is it fair to argue that best way to think about company s long term earnings power is tied to profit unit of battery capacity? 3 TWh tgt.from battery day implies ~1 2 of LT battery capacity goes to storage depending on what you assume for pack size on Elon s 20M unit goal? - What s the output of battery cells in gwh and you can t grow faster than that. We ve improved the efficiency dramatically even with the SR battery pack. Reason Tesla is doing it s own cell production is to accelerate it s growth. It s not to compete against the cell suppliers. We will take as many batteries as they can produce. - Where are you in Cybertruck development? What are your expectations for Cybertruck deliveries in 2021? - Cybertruck engineering is finished. Design level is fixed. We re getting to order the equipment to make it work. We re using even larger machines to make the body. 8 000 TON cap and press. Model Y uses a 6 000 TON. Will be incredible. If we get lucky we will be able to do a few deliveries at the end of the year but I expect volume production to be in 2022. | Surprised there was nothing mentioned about FSD subscription unless they will mention that int he webcast. | 122 | 2 | 7,985 |
l6eiy7 | 130 | Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2020 Financial Results and Webcast - Megathread PALO ALTO Calif. January 14 2021 – Tesla will post its financial results for the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31 2020 after market close on Wednesday January 27 2021 (today). At that time Tesla will issue a brief advisory containing a link to the Q4 and full year 2020 update which will be available on Tesla s Investor Relations website. Tesla management will hold a live question and answer webcast that day at 3:30 p.m. Pacific Time (6:30 p.m. Eastern Time) to discuss the Company s financial and business results and outlook. **What**: Date of Tesla Q4 and full year 2020 Financial Results and Q& A Webcast **When**: Wednesday January 27 2021 **Time**: 3:30 p.m. Pacific Time 6:30 p.m. Eastern Time **Q4 & FY 2020 Update**: http: ir.tesla.com **Webcast**: http: ir.tesla.com (live and replay) Approximately two hours after the Q& A session an archived version of the webcast will be available on the Company s website. For additional information please visit http: ir.tesla.com. **Investor Relations Contact:** http: ir.tesla.com ## > > [Shareholder Deck](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com static 78Z2ZX_2020_Q4_Quarterly_Update_Deck_SMXBZX.pdf?xseo=& response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22TSLA-Q4-2020-Update.pdf%22) < < | Interesting things from the call: Elon: - Important milestone of delivering half a million cars - We delivered almost as many cars last year as we have produced in almost our entire history - Hat is off to the great people at Tesla - For first time in history almost the entire rear piece of Model Y is being casted. - Built Battery Cell factory in the bay area. Large enough to be considered top 10 on earth despite being a pilot plant - Excited to announce new Model S X Plaid. In production now and will be delivered in Feb. - Completely new interior - Will do another call about the Model S later. - Tremendous improvement over the prior version - Model S will be the first production car EVER to go 0 to 60 under 2 seconds - Luxury sedan and will be able to seat up to 7 people (3rd row seats) - Fastest car ever to be allowed on roads in history - Maybe more details later this week or next - Raising the price of the Model S ($10K more) - Best car of any kind at any price available in the world today - FSD: Massive progress. Recommend watching the videos of our beta testers. Almost 1000 people in the beta. Each successful release it gets better rapidly. It s now common to have no interventions on Elon s drives to places he hasn t been to before. Highly confident it will be able to drive anywhere better than a human this year. - Thinks that FSD will make the car 5x more useful once fully implemented - We believe 2021 is just the beginning. More exciting. Great year for Tesla. Many great new products coming out. Q& A: - What is currently holding Tesla back from being the market share leader in solar? - We ve seen tremendous growth. We do expect to become the market share leader in solar and go far beyond that. Unfortunately there were a few years there where we had to devote the whole company to the Model 3 production. Now we have more bandwidth and we re putting more attention on solar. It will not be long until Tesla is the market leader. We ve got the cost structure in the place where it needs to be. Important part is achieving better integration between power wall and roof inverter etc. We re focused on reduces the amount of time complexity of the install. We will dial it in this year. - Could current owners get ability to transfer their FSD to their next vehicle? This would be huge for loyalty and overall increase sales of vehicles while offering more FSD sales on the used vehicles. - We re not considering that at this time. We do offer an increase higher price with FSD than without FSD. I do think the market currently undervalues FSD. How good it s really going to be. We re currently not offering the ability to transfer. We will offer subscriptions pretty soon in a month or two. - Can you give us a progress update on dry coating of the battery electrode? At battery day Elon said I would not say this is completely in the bag yet as yields were low. - In-house cell manuf. has new processes and equipment. Continues to improve yield rate month over month. Our confidence has increased. We have 10gwh worth @ kato. Material supply chain is established. Team is ready for full production this year. We have confidence in the 4680 design. - Why are you confident Tesla will achieve level 5 autonomy in 2021 and why is DOJO not necessary to get there? - Confidence based on the roadmap and the progress we re making between each beta iteration. Not remarkable at all for the car currently to completely drive you there currently. Just needs to increase corner case reliability. Better than human by a factor of at least 100 or 200%. This is happening rapidly. We have so much training data. Software is improving dramatically. We also write the software for labeling. We re moving towards video labeling inference. Few neural nets need to be upgraded. As we transition each net to video performance is exceptional. Labeling software and making that better has a huge effect on efficiency. Holy grail is auto-labelling . Dojo may be the best neural net training computer. We could potentially offer it as a service in case others need neural net training. Could be a whole line of business in and of itself. 100% -- 200% to 2000% better. - What is Tesla s current gigawatt-hour run rate for 4680 cell production? How do you see this run rate evolving by mid-2021? end-2021? - The # to focus on is we have 100gwh tesla cells produced.. not important to look at the run-up.. we are installing capacity for 2022 for 200gwh year. We are progressing through the s-curve as fast as possible. - What is Tesla doing to improve the service experience? Tesla HAD a reputation for outstanding customer service now it is impossible to even call a service center and appointments are scheduled weeks out. - Jerome: Freq of service visits have been reduced by 1 3 over the last couple years. Goal is no service. Trying to make it as painless as possible. Increase mobile service. More than 40% of all visits. Trying to push that to 50% this year. 50% of service visits last less than 2 hours. We have 140 service centers in NA. 100 140 you can make an appointment in less than 10 days. We re gonna make sure they re all that quick. 11 new tesla centers in Dec. Plan to open 46 more in the first half of this year. Emphasis in on the app. We want all communications to go through the app instead of the phone. Written record of all communications. Pictures. Payment updates and more features that will come in the coming months. Ability to spot where your service tech is. How far he is from the car. Etc. We are investing in that. - What are the key milestone we need to achieve in order to evolve current FSD to a commercial Level4 5 ridesharing solution? - We need to transition neural nets in the car to video. In order to do that whole stack has to be changed to video. That means gathering video clips (surround video) 8 cameras with synchronized frame rates label everything in that video snip it and then trainit against that. IN the past we would label it from a single camera and single frame. We didn t combine the cameras. Question of getting work done. I don t see any obstacles here. - Does Tesla plan or expect to licence any of its software applications FSD and Autobidder in particular to 3rd party OEMs? - We re open to it. We ve had some prelim discussions with licensing AP to OEMs. We re happy to do. But obviously we need to do more work to prove Tesla AP is capable for FSD. We re not trying to make it Tesla Exclusive. We re not trying to create walled gardens. - Key differences in product customer preferences FSD strategy between China and the rest of the world? do we need to do things differently to win the Chinese EV market? - We currently are the leader of the Chinese EV market. We must be doing something right if we re the best selling EV in China. 1 or 2% of our customers in China have actually selected the FSD option. We definitely need to make it work well in China. Customers in China are among the most discerning in the world. Their attention to detail is incredible. I m confident they will buy FSD once it s worthwhile which is hopefully later this year. - Is it fair to argue that best way to think about company s long term earnings power is tied to profit unit of battery capacity? 3 TWh tgt.from battery day implies ~1 2 of LT battery capacity goes to storage depending on what you assume for pack size on Elon s 20M unit goal? - What s the output of battery cells in gwh and you can t grow faster than that. We ve improved the efficiency dramatically even with the SR battery pack. Reason Tesla is doing it s own cell production is to accelerate it s growth. It s not to compete against the cell suppliers. We will take as many batteries as they can produce. - Where are you in Cybertruck development? What are your expectations for Cybertruck deliveries in 2021? - Cybertruck engineering is finished. Design level is fixed. We re getting to order the equipment to make it work. We re using even larger machines to make the body. 8 000 TON cap and press. Model Y uses a 6 000 TON. Will be incredible. If we get lucky we will be able to do a few deliveries at the end of the year but I expect volume production to be in 2022. | Site has updated details for S and X already: [https: www.tesla.com ](https: www.tesla.com ) | 122 | 2 | 7,986 |
l6eqma | 258 | The new 2021 Model S X are available on Tesla s website to configure now #[Model S estimated delivery March 2021 for the US at least](https: www.tesla.com models design#overview) - Long range $79 990: 412 miles of range 155 mph top speed 0-60 in 3.1s - Plaid $119 990: 390 miles of range 200 mph top speed 0-60 in 1.99s - Plaid+ $139 990: 520+ miles of range 200 mph top speed 0-60 in < 1.99s ##New options appear to be: - 21 arachnid wheels in what looks like a dark gray color not the old black or silver arachnids #[Model X estimated delivery April 2021 for the US at least](https: www.tesla.com modelx design#overview) - Long range $89 990: 360 miles of range 155 mph top speed 0-60 in 3.8s - Plaid $119 990: 341 miles of range 163 mph top speed 0-60 in 2.5s ##New options appear to be: - 20 Cyberstream wheels - 22 Turbine wheels #More details for both S X: Three Displays > With 2200x1300 resolution ultra-bright colors with exceptional responsiveness and left-right tilt the new center display is an ideal touchscreen for entertainment and gaming anywhere. A second display in front of the driver shows critical driving information and a third display provides entertainment and controls for rear passengers. Game from Anywhere > Up to 10 teraflops of processing power enables in-car gaming on-par with today s newest consoles via Tesla Arcade. Wireless controller compatibility allows gaming from any seat. Tri-Zone Climate Controls > Airflow and temperature are controlled entirely through the displays without any physical vents. On hot days Cabin Overheat Protection ensures interiors always stay cool. In cold weather pre-conditioning automatically warms the cabin and prepares the battery for maximum range. Yoke Steering > The ultimate focus on driving: no stalks no shifting. With a stalkless steering yoke you can enjoy both the best car to drive and the best car to be driven in. 22-Speaker Audio > A 22-speaker 960-watt audio system offers the best listening experience at home or on the road and new microphones enable active noise canceling. Glass Roof > The full Glass Roof gives passengers a brighter more spacious experience and unobstructed views of the sky. Infrared and UV light is effectively blocked before entering the cabin reducing heat and glare even when the sun is directly overhead. (Model X only) Panoramic Windshield > The largest all glass panoramic windshield in production provides a seamless view of the stars and sky above. Optimized solar tinting and an obstruction-free view creates unlimited visibility for the driver and up to six passengers. #**Full interior details:** Audio and Media - Premium 22-speaker audio with active noise cancelling - Multi-device music and media over Bluetooth® - 17” center display 12.3” driver s display and 8” second row display - Gaming computer with 10 teraflops of processing power - Wireless controller compatibility Comfort - Panoramic windshield (Model X only) - Heated seats for every passenger heated steering and heated windshield - Ventilated front seating - Tri-zone Airwave cabin conditioning - HEPA air filtration system - Custom driver profiles with automatic easy-entry and exit - Ambient lighting - Tinted glass roof - Ultraviolet and infrared protection on all glass Convenience - Automatic opening and closing front doors (Model X only) - Front center console with sliding cup holders and storage - Second row stowable center armrest with integrated storage and wireless charging (Model S only) - Automatic opening and closing rear liftgate - Auto dimming power folding heated side mirrors - 28 ft³ of cargo space and secure front trunk (91 ft³ for Model X) - Wireless and USB-C fast charging for every passenger - Location-aware automatic garage door opener - Phone Key Premium Connectivity 1 year complimentary - Live traffic visualization - Satellite-View Maps - Video Streaming with access to Netflix Hulu Youtube Twitch and more - Caraoke - Music Streaming - Internet Browser | Lmao Plaid+ didn t expect this tbh | The pricing doesn t seem to be working for me. Don t know why. | 72 | 7 | 7,987 |
l6eqma | 258 | The new 2021 Model S X are available on Tesla s website to configure now #[Model S estimated delivery March 2021 for the US at least](https: www.tesla.com models design#overview) - Long range $79 990: 412 miles of range 155 mph top speed 0-60 in 3.1s - Plaid $119 990: 390 miles of range 200 mph top speed 0-60 in 1.99s - Plaid+ $139 990: 520+ miles of range 200 mph top speed 0-60 in < 1.99s ##New options appear to be: - 21 arachnid wheels in what looks like a dark gray color not the old black or silver arachnids #[Model X estimated delivery April 2021 for the US at least](https: www.tesla.com modelx design#overview) - Long range $89 990: 360 miles of range 155 mph top speed 0-60 in 3.8s - Plaid $119 990: 341 miles of range 163 mph top speed 0-60 in 2.5s ##New options appear to be: - 20 Cyberstream wheels - 22 Turbine wheels #More details for both S X: Three Displays > With 2200x1300 resolution ultra-bright colors with exceptional responsiveness and left-right tilt the new center display is an ideal touchscreen for entertainment and gaming anywhere. A second display in front of the driver shows critical driving information and a third display provides entertainment and controls for rear passengers. Game from Anywhere > Up to 10 teraflops of processing power enables in-car gaming on-par with today s newest consoles via Tesla Arcade. Wireless controller compatibility allows gaming from any seat. Tri-Zone Climate Controls > Airflow and temperature are controlled entirely through the displays without any physical vents. On hot days Cabin Overheat Protection ensures interiors always stay cool. In cold weather pre-conditioning automatically warms the cabin and prepares the battery for maximum range. Yoke Steering > The ultimate focus on driving: no stalks no shifting. With a stalkless steering yoke you can enjoy both the best car to drive and the best car to be driven in. 22-Speaker Audio > A 22-speaker 960-watt audio system offers the best listening experience at home or on the road and new microphones enable active noise canceling. Glass Roof > The full Glass Roof gives passengers a brighter more spacious experience and unobstructed views of the sky. Infrared and UV light is effectively blocked before entering the cabin reducing heat and glare even when the sun is directly overhead. (Model X only) Panoramic Windshield > The largest all glass panoramic windshield in production provides a seamless view of the stars and sky above. Optimized solar tinting and an obstruction-free view creates unlimited visibility for the driver and up to six passengers. #**Full interior details:** Audio and Media - Premium 22-speaker audio with active noise cancelling - Multi-device music and media over Bluetooth® - 17” center display 12.3” driver s display and 8” second row display - Gaming computer with 10 teraflops of processing power - Wireless controller compatibility Comfort - Panoramic windshield (Model X only) - Heated seats for every passenger heated steering and heated windshield - Ventilated front seating - Tri-zone Airwave cabin conditioning - HEPA air filtration system - Custom driver profiles with automatic easy-entry and exit - Ambient lighting - Tinted glass roof - Ultraviolet and infrared protection on all glass Convenience - Automatic opening and closing front doors (Model X only) - Front center console with sliding cup holders and storage - Second row stowable center armrest with integrated storage and wireless charging (Model S only) - Automatic opening and closing rear liftgate - Auto dimming power folding heated side mirrors - 28 ft³ of cargo space and secure front trunk (91 ft³ for Model X) - Wireless and USB-C fast charging for every passenger - Location-aware automatic garage door opener - Phone Key Premium Connectivity 1 year complimentary - Live traffic visualization - Satellite-View Maps - Video Streaming with access to Netflix Hulu Youtube Twitch and more - Caraoke - Music Streaming - Internet Browser | Lmao Plaid+ didn t expect this tbh | Make sure to click on the feature details. Some extra stuff in there too. | 72 | 10 | 7,988 |
l6eqma | 258 | The new 2021 Model S X are available on Tesla s website to configure now #[Model S estimated delivery March 2021 for the US at least](https: www.tesla.com models design#overview) - Long range $79 990: 412 miles of range 155 mph top speed 0-60 in 3.1s - Plaid $119 990: 390 miles of range 200 mph top speed 0-60 in 1.99s - Plaid+ $139 990: 520+ miles of range 200 mph top speed 0-60 in < 1.99s ##New options appear to be: - 21 arachnid wheels in what looks like a dark gray color not the old black or silver arachnids #[Model X estimated delivery April 2021 for the US at least](https: www.tesla.com modelx design#overview) - Long range $89 990: 360 miles of range 155 mph top speed 0-60 in 3.8s - Plaid $119 990: 341 miles of range 163 mph top speed 0-60 in 2.5s ##New options appear to be: - 20 Cyberstream wheels - 22 Turbine wheels #More details for both S X: Three Displays > With 2200x1300 resolution ultra-bright colors with exceptional responsiveness and left-right tilt the new center display is an ideal touchscreen for entertainment and gaming anywhere. A second display in front of the driver shows critical driving information and a third display provides entertainment and controls for rear passengers. Game from Anywhere > Up to 10 teraflops of processing power enables in-car gaming on-par with today s newest consoles via Tesla Arcade. Wireless controller compatibility allows gaming from any seat. Tri-Zone Climate Controls > Airflow and temperature are controlled entirely through the displays without any physical vents. On hot days Cabin Overheat Protection ensures interiors always stay cool. In cold weather pre-conditioning automatically warms the cabin and prepares the battery for maximum range. Yoke Steering > The ultimate focus on driving: no stalks no shifting. With a stalkless steering yoke you can enjoy both the best car to drive and the best car to be driven in. 22-Speaker Audio > A 22-speaker 960-watt audio system offers the best listening experience at home or on the road and new microphones enable active noise canceling. Glass Roof > The full Glass Roof gives passengers a brighter more spacious experience and unobstructed views of the sky. Infrared and UV light is effectively blocked before entering the cabin reducing heat and glare even when the sun is directly overhead. (Model X only) Panoramic Windshield > The largest all glass panoramic windshield in production provides a seamless view of the stars and sky above. Optimized solar tinting and an obstruction-free view creates unlimited visibility for the driver and up to six passengers. #**Full interior details:** Audio and Media - Premium 22-speaker audio with active noise cancelling - Multi-device music and media over Bluetooth® - 17” center display 12.3” driver s display and 8” second row display - Gaming computer with 10 teraflops of processing power - Wireless controller compatibility Comfort - Panoramic windshield (Model X only) - Heated seats for every passenger heated steering and heated windshield - Ventilated front seating - Tri-zone Airwave cabin conditioning - HEPA air filtration system - Custom driver profiles with automatic easy-entry and exit - Ambient lighting - Tinted glass roof - Ultraviolet and infrared protection on all glass Convenience - Automatic opening and closing front doors (Model X only) - Front center console with sliding cup holders and storage - Second row stowable center armrest with integrated storage and wireless charging (Model S only) - Automatic opening and closing rear liftgate - Auto dimming power folding heated side mirrors - 28 ft³ of cargo space and secure front trunk (91 ft³ for Model X) - Wireless and USB-C fast charging for every passenger - Location-aware automatic garage door opener - Phone Key Premium Connectivity 1 year complimentary - Live traffic visualization - Satellite-View Maps - Video Streaming with access to Netflix Hulu Youtube Twitch and more - Caraoke - Music Streaming - Internet Browser | 10 Teraflops gaming computer! | Make sure to click on the feature details. Some extra stuff in there too. | 44 | 10 | 7,989 |
l6gy2j | 77 | No Love for the Cybertruck in the Q4 report Was a bit disappointed there was no information on the Cybertruck at all in the slide deck for tonight s report.. Just a TBD here and there For something that is still according to their website expected to be in production later this year there has been precious little information on it. | If we re lucky we may deliver a few this year from Q& A | My guess is backburnered to roll out s x refreshes. Any day now we will get the Q2 2022 adjustment. | 58 | 6 | 7,990 |
l6gy2j | 77 | No Love for the Cybertruck in the Q4 report Was a bit disappointed there was no information on the Cybertruck at all in the slide deck for tonight s report.. Just a TBD here and there For something that is still according to their website expected to be in production later this year there has been precious little information on it. | If we re lucky we may deliver a few this year from Q& A | I d say they re picking their battles. With competitors releasing fast sedans Tesla had to make a statement. | 58 | 7 | 7,991 |
l6gy2j | 77 | No Love for the Cybertruck in the Q4 report Was a bit disappointed there was no information on the Cybertruck at all in the slide deck for tonight s report.. Just a TBD here and there For something that is still according to their website expected to be in production later this year there has been precious little information on it. | If we re lucky we may deliver a few this year from Q& A | My guess is that we ll hear more about Cybertruck in Q2 2021 when the Texas factory is far closer to completion towards the end of this year. I m very skeptical that we ll see more than a couple hundred to a couple thousand built at all this year- with a far greater ramp up in 2022. | 58 | 11 | 7,992 |
l6hz02 | 117 | Elon Musk reveals the total number of FSD beta testers. On the earnings call musk mentioned that there are over 1000 people in the FSD beta. Listen to it here: [https: livestream.tesla.com ](https: livestream.tesla.com ) Looks like the vast majority of them aren t making videos. Unless I m missing 900 or so video makers on youtube twitter. | I wonder if this number includes Tesla employees. | I was surprised to here estimates here that said 70 people but cool that it is that many. | 57 | 16 | 7,993 |
l6hz02 | 117 | Elon Musk reveals the total number of FSD beta testers. On the earnings call musk mentioned that there are over 1000 people in the FSD beta. Listen to it here: [https: livestream.tesla.com ](https: livestream.tesla.com ) Looks like the vast majority of them aren t making videos. Unless I m missing 900 or so video makers on youtube twitter. | I wonder if this number includes Tesla employees. | I m surprised it s that s many. | 57 | 25 | 7,994 |
l6i8lr | 193 | No plans to make FSD transferable. - Elon (Q4 Q& A Webcast) But subscription FSD is coming in next month or two. In my opinion it s pretty disappointing. It would do wonders for brand loyalty (but honestly Tesla doesn t really need it compared to current EV offerings on the market). I m still holding out for it. Maybe it ll be an incentive for an end of quarter push but I m not paying $10k a second time for FSD that is still not out and most of the released features barely working . Smart Summon and Autopark still feel like pre-alpha software that hasn t gotten any significant upgrades since 2019. What do you think? | Bro imagine being an early FSD adopter. You bought a product that wasn t fully complete only to realize you can t upgrade to all these brand new cars unless you wanna part ways with FSD. To top it off FSD subscription is around the corner lol | I haven t been following. So if you have fsd now and sell the car does the fsd stay with the car? Stay with the original owner? Neither? | 107 | 3 | 7,995 |
l6i8lr | 193 | No plans to make FSD transferable. - Elon (Q4 Q& A Webcast) But subscription FSD is coming in next month or two. In my opinion it s pretty disappointing. It would do wonders for brand loyalty (but honestly Tesla doesn t really need it compared to current EV offerings on the market). I m still holding out for it. Maybe it ll be an incentive for an end of quarter push but I m not paying $10k a second time for FSD that is still not out and most of the released features barely working . Smart Summon and Autopark still feel like pre-alpha software that hasn t gotten any significant upgrades since 2019. What do you think? | Bro imagine being an early FSD adopter. You bought a product that wasn t fully complete only to realize you can t upgrade to all these brand new cars unless you wanna part ways with FSD. To top it off FSD subscription is around the corner lol | Would subscription be cheaper for those with EAP? | 107 | 5 | 7,996 |
l6i8lr | 193 | No plans to make FSD transferable. - Elon (Q4 Q& A Webcast) But subscription FSD is coming in next month or two. In my opinion it s pretty disappointing. It would do wonders for brand loyalty (but honestly Tesla doesn t really need it compared to current EV offerings on the market). I m still holding out for it. Maybe it ll be an incentive for an end of quarter push but I m not paying $10k a second time for FSD that is still not out and most of the released features barely working . Smart Summon and Autopark still feel like pre-alpha software that hasn t gotten any significant upgrades since 2019. What do you think? | Bro imagine being an early FSD adopter. You bought a product that wasn t fully complete only to realize you can t upgrade to all these brand new cars unless you wanna part ways with FSD. To top it off FSD subscription is around the corner lol | I m moving to rural Maine where it s less useful anyway. I have it on my current X bit of I upgrade I ll only subscribe for long trips. | 107 | 6 | 7,997 |
l6siup | 179 | The square steering wheel is a perfect example of Teslas marketing strategy These rectangular wheels are not permitted in most countries but Tesla still uses them in their pictures both for the Cybertruck and now on Model S and X. Its pretty much guaranteed they will be delivered with classic wheels as an option (pictures of this have been found at telsa.com) yet they use the squares in the promo shots. Why? Tesla knows this will generate a heavy buzz and guess what? Every website and newspaper in existence are today running clickbait headlines with focus on the steering wheel. The price? Tesla gets a shitload of free coverage and product placements and get an enourmous amount of free ad space for the refreshed cars. Without spending a dime. Its genious. edit: legality seems hard to dermine please link relevant info if found. either way the point still stand its a radical change from the norm thus creating buzz in teslas favour. | Better than paying $30M to run a super bowl commercial. I like this free coverage. | On the last page of the order it lists yoke steering wheel included so its not fake | 111 | 15 | 7,998 |
l6wt3x | 80 | About that Steering Wheel and Global Regulations... I ve been doing quite a bit of research on this as this seems to be the hot topic. I am not wholly an expert on vehicle regulations (we have a whole cube row of lawyers dealing with that) but due to my job I do know where to start looking. Don t take this as a final answer but take this as a place to start your own research. At an extremely high level vehicle regulations fall into two buckets: US Regulations and the Rest of the World. Each country and region regulates vehicles in their own way but vehicle design typically falls into one or both of the above buckets. This is in general why you see vehicles built and sold in the rest of the world only for the US to be left out (and vice versa...). This is also why the term homologation also come into play when trying to import it to another market. Crash standards also vary by region which is another limiting factor in where vehicles can or can t be sold (but this doesn t seem to be in play here either for that wheel). The two given buckets typically are the US Bucket consisting of the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) decreed by NHTSA EPA CARB handling emissions DOT handling lighting tires and a few other things and a handful of other federal and local rules that typically cover bumper and light heights. The rest of the world typically follows the UN convention on vehicle standards (UNECE WP.29) with either no or few local modifications. Yes CMVSS in Canada exists but it mostly follows FMVSS standards with a handful of exceptions none of which apply here. With all that bullshit out of the way... FMVSS is silent on the steering wheel shapes (FMVSS 203 and 204 cover steering systems mostly from an impact standpoint and where you get the collapsable columns you see now). Looking over to the UNECE UN12 covers the Euro regs and again nothing is stated about wheel shapes. We re now left to local modifications of UNECE and US State Level Regulations. Someone in another post did find something in Pennsylvania regs but I haven t found the actual source on that. If that is true you may see a 49 state\\* sellable vehicle without changes. Normally you would see a 30-something state vehicle because emissions prevents it from being sold in states that follow CARB regs (see the 2020 Dodge Journey) but sometimes its other features on the vehicle that cause it to be considered illegal in that state. Long ago the orignal Jeep Liberty (KJ) had a Renegade trim with a light bar on the roof which made it illegal to sell in West Virginia with that light bar at the time due to the states limit on light height on roof bars (since updated). Disclosure: I work for Stellantis but don t speak for them. \\*Or less if other states have similar regs... \\*\\*Update\\*\\*: AStuf linked the PA inspection regulation in this comment: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments l6wt3x about\\_that\\_steering\\_wheel\\_and\\_global\\_regulations gl3m065](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments l6wt3x about_that_steering_wheel_and_global_regulations gl3m065) Edit 2: Over in r cars I ve been made aware of UNECE 21 and UNECE 79. Neither of which address the absolute shape of the steering wheel. | Thank you. This is Reddit at its best. A person with specific knowledge offering context to all the experts who heard something or read something somewhere and pass it off as fact (which I am also guilty of). | People seem to be complaining more about how driveable it actually is. Whether it s really legal or not is understandable but I think people just want the option to opt out. The shape will get some getting used to but it will function just like any other steering wheel. | 57 | 17 | 7,999 |
l6wt3x | 80 | About that Steering Wheel and Global Regulations... I ve been doing quite a bit of research on this as this seems to be the hot topic. I am not wholly an expert on vehicle regulations (we have a whole cube row of lawyers dealing with that) but due to my job I do know where to start looking. Don t take this as a final answer but take this as a place to start your own research. At an extremely high level vehicle regulations fall into two buckets: US Regulations and the Rest of the World. Each country and region regulates vehicles in their own way but vehicle design typically falls into one or both of the above buckets. This is in general why you see vehicles built and sold in the rest of the world only for the US to be left out (and vice versa...). This is also why the term homologation also come into play when trying to import it to another market. Crash standards also vary by region which is another limiting factor in where vehicles can or can t be sold (but this doesn t seem to be in play here either for that wheel). The two given buckets typically are the US Bucket consisting of the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) decreed by NHTSA EPA CARB handling emissions DOT handling lighting tires and a few other things and a handful of other federal and local rules that typically cover bumper and light heights. The rest of the world typically follows the UN convention on vehicle standards (UNECE WP.29) with either no or few local modifications. Yes CMVSS in Canada exists but it mostly follows FMVSS standards with a handful of exceptions none of which apply here. With all that bullshit out of the way... FMVSS is silent on the steering wheel shapes (FMVSS 203 and 204 cover steering systems mostly from an impact standpoint and where you get the collapsable columns you see now). Looking over to the UNECE UN12 covers the Euro regs and again nothing is stated about wheel shapes. We re now left to local modifications of UNECE and US State Level Regulations. Someone in another post did find something in Pennsylvania regs but I haven t found the actual source on that. If that is true you may see a 49 state\\* sellable vehicle without changes. Normally you would see a 30-something state vehicle because emissions prevents it from being sold in states that follow CARB regs (see the 2020 Dodge Journey) but sometimes its other features on the vehicle that cause it to be considered illegal in that state. Long ago the orignal Jeep Liberty (KJ) had a Renegade trim with a light bar on the roof which made it illegal to sell in West Virginia with that light bar at the time due to the states limit on light height on roof bars (since updated). Disclosure: I work for Stellantis but don t speak for them. \\*Or less if other states have similar regs... \\*\\*Update\\*\\*: AStuf linked the PA inspection regulation in this comment: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments l6wt3x about\\_that\\_steering\\_wheel\\_and\\_global\\_regulations gl3m065](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments l6wt3x about_that_steering_wheel_and_global_regulations gl3m065) Edit 2: Over in r cars I ve been made aware of UNECE 21 and UNECE 79. Neither of which address the absolute shape of the steering wheel. | Thank you. This is Reddit at its best. A person with specific knowledge offering context to all the experts who heard something or read something somewhere and pass it off as fact (which I am also guilty of). | Just because it s legal doesn t mean it s a good idea | 57 | 31 | 8,000 |
l6yhkp | 22 | Whats with the hate on the new steering wheel I love it looks racy like a spaceship and the rectangular shape goes sweet with the rectangular forms of middle console. Honestly makes the round shape look so outdated. If you dont like it dont order it why the constant whining? One of the main reason for me to switch from a mercedes amg IS the new steering wheel looks like the amg one but almost same performance and way cheaper | It seems to me that it may be harder to make bigger turns or park the car with this half wheel. There s something to making a turn and letting the wheel slide through your hands while it straightens out. | I like it. People hate new things. Especially gear heads. | 95 | 11 | 8,001 |
l6yhkp | 22 | Whats with the hate on the new steering wheel I love it looks racy like a spaceship and the rectangular shape goes sweet with the rectangular forms of middle console. Honestly makes the round shape look so outdated. If you dont like it dont order it why the constant whining? One of the main reason for me to switch from a mercedes amg IS the new steering wheel looks like the amg one but almost same performance and way cheaper | It seems to me that it may be harder to make bigger turns or park the car with this half wheel. There s something to making a turn and letting the wheel slide through your hands while it straightens out. | It goes against how many ppl use the steering wheel. Imo this new steering wheel could either be a big hit or miss really want to see some early hands on | 95 | 51 | 8,002 |
l6yhkp | 22 | Whats with the hate on the new steering wheel I love it looks racy like a spaceship and the rectangular shape goes sweet with the rectangular forms of middle console. Honestly makes the round shape look so outdated. If you dont like it dont order it why the constant whining? One of the main reason for me to switch from a mercedes amg IS the new steering wheel looks like the amg one but almost same performance and way cheaper | It goes against how many ppl use the steering wheel. Imo this new steering wheel could either be a big hit or miss really want to see some early hands on | I like it. People hate new things. Especially gear heads. | 51 | 11 | 8,003 |
l7jbr0 | 59 | 12 30 2020 Order Update Model S Long Range Plus We ordered our Model S Long Range Plus on 12 30 2020. Delivery is 8 to 12 weeks. We received a call today from the Tesla representative asking if we wanted the option of the refreshed Model S for the additional price. We declined. Steering wheel is not for us and the price is out of our budget. Representative went on to say that he would make that note but that he could not guarantee delivery of our original order. That Tesla is continuing to make the pre-refresh Model S but in a limited capacity. And depending on our place in line they could not guarantee our order would be fulfilled. This is pretty disappointing. We bought the wall charger accessories etc. in anticipation and because their last weekly email update said if you have not already started the home charging installation now is the time. Anyways felt like this was worth posting to share our story on where we are pre-refresh order. | I d recommend exploring lightly used or jumping on any possible remaining inventory. Your Advisor was wrong and they are no longer producing pre-refresh models. You ve gotta just pick one up if there are any still around you. Check that inventory tool ASAP or start looking for used. | You can get the new refresh with regular steering wheel | 41 | 4 | 8,004 |
l837jv | 40 | Did Tesla silently deprecate the Owner s API? UPDATE: This is solved. Tesla deprecated their old authentication API in favor of their OAuth2 implementation. This has been documented by u timdorr [here](https: tesla-api.timdorr.com api-basics authentication). You can see a reference example in Ruby in his API or my repo [here](https: github.com carlosonunez tesla-oauth2-token-bot) for a quick no-frills implementation. ORIGINAL POST: I m getting this error now when I try to get a new token from my iOS Shortcut: ``` { response : endpoint_deprecated:_please_update_your_app } ``` I was able to get a token this morning no problem. I also can t find anything on Google about this specific error. Did something change? | Just a note: there was never a public API. There were internal API endpoints scrapped out of the android app that were widely shared. Tesla never had any obligation to keep those operating or inform you when they were changing. | I think you now need to supply User-Agent and X-Tesla-User-Agent headers in your request could that be it? Can have any value. | 47 | 5 | 8,005 |
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