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4dlx0q | 159 | Today Elon is supposed to announce final reservation numbers.. Anyone care to take a guess? Final as in no more announcements from this point. Reservations will keep happening they will just not be announcing any future milestones.. My guess is around 320k http: i.imgur.com gjTsxxa.png | 333 333 Model 3 reservations. Make it happen. | 360 000 | 143 | 2 | 406 |
4dlx0q | 159 | Today Elon is supposed to announce final reservation numbers.. Anyone care to take a guess? Final as in no more announcements from this point. Reservations will keep happening they will just not be announcing any future milestones.. My guess is around 320k http: i.imgur.com gjTsxxa.png | 333 333 Model 3 reservations. Make it happen. | 412 320 | 143 | 2 | 407 |
4dlx0q | 159 | Today Elon is supposed to announce final reservation numbers.. Anyone care to take a guess? Final as in no more announcements from this point. Reservations will keep happening they will just not be announcing any future milestones.. My guess is around 320k http: i.imgur.com gjTsxxa.png | 333 333 Model 3 reservations. Make it happen. | 347 388 cars | 143 | 2 | 408 |
4dm5bi | 74 | Does someone have info regarding every time someone said Tesla would fail and they proved them wrong? I m tired of my coworkers saying Tesla will fail and I need research to back myself up but my Google searches have turned up little. I m an engineer as are my co-workers and they fit the stereotype of the arrogant asshole engineer. They re also old republicans and I m a young democrat so they think I m just a stupid unwise kid. My coworkers heard the news that I pre-ordered my Model 3 and they keep shit-talking me that Tesla will fail and that I gave Tesla an interest free loan and I ll never see that money come back. Tesla has no idea how to make a mass production car. Elon Musk seems like a nice guy but he has no idea what he is doing. u beginner you re just upset with us because we are injecting a little reality into your dream. The worst one is an early 50s guy who worked on the shuttle program with NASA and sarcastically says My many years on Earth and industry experience is meaningless though u beginner you re right Tesla will do fine and I don t know anything. I ve argued against most of this but I need more facts. I saw a comment the other day listing things like - Tesla will never sell one roadster (then they did) - Tesla will never profit on roadsters (then they did) - Tesla will never sell Model S (then they did) - etc. I m getting pretty sick of it but I don t have the facts to argue back. Does anyone have a pretty decent list showing major times when Tesla was expected to fail but never did? I generally ignore it because these guys are obviously trolls who clearly don t have their facts straight but I d still like to have my facts straight in case I need to argue in the future. I wish I could find this info for myself via Google but my research has been fruitless thus far. *Thanks for the conversation everyone. I ve enjoyed discussing this and I ve learned a lot. Although the plan is to ignore their trolling I m glad to have some facts to protect me in the case of an argument. They re old fools but that doesn t mean I can t try to enlighten them.* | Let s dispel wth this fiction that Elon Musk doesn t know what he s doing. He knows exactly what he s doing | Google Anton Whalman Logical Thought Montana Skeptic That should get you a great start. A ton of doomed to fail articles are on ~~SeekingClicks~~ SeekingAlpha. Bob Lutz is good for a few videos suggesting that Tesla is careening towards bankruptcy as well. | 34 | 4 | 409 |
4dm5bi | 74 | Does someone have info regarding every time someone said Tesla would fail and they proved them wrong? I m tired of my coworkers saying Tesla will fail and I need research to back myself up but my Google searches have turned up little. I m an engineer as are my co-workers and they fit the stereotype of the arrogant asshole engineer. They re also old republicans and I m a young democrat so they think I m just a stupid unwise kid. My coworkers heard the news that I pre-ordered my Model 3 and they keep shit-talking me that Tesla will fail and that I gave Tesla an interest free loan and I ll never see that money come back. Tesla has no idea how to make a mass production car. Elon Musk seems like a nice guy but he has no idea what he is doing. u beginner you re just upset with us because we are injecting a little reality into your dream. The worst one is an early 50s guy who worked on the shuttle program with NASA and sarcastically says My many years on Earth and industry experience is meaningless though u beginner you re right Tesla will do fine and I don t know anything. I ve argued against most of this but I need more facts. I saw a comment the other day listing things like - Tesla will never sell one roadster (then they did) - Tesla will never profit on roadsters (then they did) - Tesla will never sell Model S (then they did) - etc. I m getting pretty sick of it but I don t have the facts to argue back. Does anyone have a pretty decent list showing major times when Tesla was expected to fail but never did? I generally ignore it because these guys are obviously trolls who clearly don t have their facts straight but I d still like to have my facts straight in case I need to argue in the future. I wish I could find this info for myself via Google but my research has been fruitless thus far. *Thanks for the conversation everyone. I ve enjoyed discussing this and I ve learned a lot. Although the plan is to ignore their trolling I m glad to have some facts to protect me in the case of an argument. They re old fools but that doesn t mean I can t try to enlighten them.* | Let s dispel wth this fiction that Elon Musk doesn t know what he s doing. He knows exactly what he s doing | I m not really sure why it s human nature to respond to a negative. Can someone ELI5 why we have this instinct? | 34 | 5 | 410 |
4dmcag | 94 | Discussion on r TeslaMotors Future [Meta Thread] Hey everyone First of all welcome to the ~5 000 new subscribers who joined since the Model 3 unveil. I hope you will have fun and feel welcomed in our subreddit. Whether you want to lurk or contribute it s up to you but either way you are now part of the rEVolution. Now the subreddit has seen an unmanageable number of submissions in the past few days. It might look like we (the mods) have not been doing much but we removed 100s of duplicate posts and now we have u dieabetic s sticky post for Model 3 questions. We will probably have to start the process to find a new mod but the mod team will debate this following the discussions in this thread. Maybe someone in an European timezone? So this thread is to suggest and discuss possible new features rules and guidelines for r teslamotors. Last time we made one of those there were a few suggestions that didn t make much sense based on the number of daily posts and subscribers but now it could be different. For example a **weekly sticky post** for questions would probably make sense now. We have the #4 rule which was OK but getting rid of all those posts together with a thread refreshing weekly could be a possible alternative at this point. Maybe a weekly Tesla spotted post instead of single pictures? There s also the question of **low-effort content** . I know people always bring up the let the vote buttons take care of it argument but Reddit s system is far from perfect. We are in r all so we can get stupid things upvoted all the time. I like the r spacex example. I think they did a great job to foster a place for awesome discussions and content which ultimately I would think is the goal of this sub too but I know a lot of people also find r SpaceX too heavily moderated. Also Tesla makes consumer products and SpaceX makes rockets so it doesn t attract the same crowd. It s up for discussion. There s also the question of **Musk s tweetstorms**. Of course this week it was sort of a AMA which made it worst but he often starts little tweetstorms with similar results on the sub. I think the obvious solution is not to allow direct links to his Twitter. Instead people can use text posts with a descriptive headline and the tweet in the post. OP can then update the post with followup tweets if there s any and mods can add a tweetstorm in comments flair. Again it s up to discussion. I m sure you guys have plenty of suggestions so post them here and we will discuss them. If you don t agree with a suggestion please don t just write that you disagree and instead explain why or even better you can suggest an alternative. Sorry for the wall of text. TL DR: suggestions to improve the sub. Cheers Fred | r SpaceX mod here. I ll add in my view since I also browse this sub and love it to bits. I think you re right about keeping a more relaxed version of rules in r teslamotors - it is a bit smaller and does feel more homely. That being said sometimes the memes are a bit too much for me but then again they can be quite fun too! For some reason when I saw this one (titled: [General Motors on the night of Model 3 unveiling](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=vrQFBYgwQW8) ) I laughed for quite a while. Furthermore the discussion here tends to be (or seems to be at least) self-moderating. I ll address why this isn t precisely the case in r SpaceX later. Our moderation over at r SpaceX is practically out of necessity we have perhaps the spikiest subreddit traffic graphs out there where we can go into lulls for months without launches and go without posts for up to 2 days to having 10 000+ people all browsing the subreddit simultaneously with all the hype that entails. It s so much we have to actually turn off subreddit submissions so **we** can enjoy the launch! Additionally unlike subreddits such as r nfl or sports subreddits that run game threads we have **no idea** if the launch will happen today or not! SES-9 the last mission was actually physically exhausting. It s a huge rollercoaster. All this hype can generate huge numbers of comments all it takes is one person to plant a seed comment and before you know it it s devolved into a pun thread that s miles long. Rockets also tend to be very err... phallic. You can imagine what sort of content such jokes produce. This is exacerbated during launches when people who only stay for launches arrive (transient fans) and don t read our rules and assume that jokes are the norm and acceptable. We do all of this because there s simply no other good spaceflight community out there. We don t want people to have to suffer through a wash of puns to find information - in short: **we aim to be as information dense as possible**. We also didn t add these rules all at once we ve iteratively altered our rules as the needs arise and we only do so **with** community permission. If the community doesn t like it then it shouldn t be a rule. In this sense we were kind of lucky from the start we added a few rules way back in 2013 this attracted a base of fans who had a low tolerance for low effort comment which snowballed and has almost self-selected who participates. Furthermore we also consult with the community every few months to see if anyone wants things changed - most of the time people are universally happy with our ruleset. I do like the way we deal with tweets though (which we get a very large number of!) if it s unique and not a duplicate let it through. It fosters discussion and keeps many things compartmentalized. **Here s how I d like to see this community be run:** in short don t go r SpaceX. Our rules work extremely well but only for our community. r TeslaMotors is a different community with different people. If you want to take some of our rules make sure they adapt well. I say keep doing what you re doing (because you do it great!) let the tweets stay as separate posts remove only the worst pun trains and perhaps bring in an Ask Anything -style sticky to address the influx of repetitive Model 3-related (and such) questions. Good luck you guys! This is my (second) favorite community ). | As someone that has been lurkning posting and stalking this Sub for a few years now I do certainly notice the uptick in noob questions and posts but even though I could see that as annoying to some of the regulars around any sub in this context i kind of welcome it. The influx of new people also means an influx of people that will be exposed to EV s as well as learning what they are all about. That s pretty much what Teslas mission is so given that I can tolerate it. Basically don t stress out too much over maintaining the sub. It s kind of good to see the new excitement even if it means answering the same question about solar panel moonroofs on the cars over and over lol. It will calm down slowly as people educate themselves and acclimate. | 111 | 4 | 411 |
4dmcag | 94 | Discussion on r TeslaMotors Future [Meta Thread] Hey everyone First of all welcome to the ~5 000 new subscribers who joined since the Model 3 unveil. I hope you will have fun and feel welcomed in our subreddit. Whether you want to lurk or contribute it s up to you but either way you are now part of the rEVolution. Now the subreddit has seen an unmanageable number of submissions in the past few days. It might look like we (the mods) have not been doing much but we removed 100s of duplicate posts and now we have u dieabetic s sticky post for Model 3 questions. We will probably have to start the process to find a new mod but the mod team will debate this following the discussions in this thread. Maybe someone in an European timezone? So this thread is to suggest and discuss possible new features rules and guidelines for r teslamotors. Last time we made one of those there were a few suggestions that didn t make much sense based on the number of daily posts and subscribers but now it could be different. For example a **weekly sticky post** for questions would probably make sense now. We have the #4 rule which was OK but getting rid of all those posts together with a thread refreshing weekly could be a possible alternative at this point. Maybe a weekly Tesla spotted post instead of single pictures? There s also the question of **low-effort content** . I know people always bring up the let the vote buttons take care of it argument but Reddit s system is far from perfect. We are in r all so we can get stupid things upvoted all the time. I like the r spacex example. I think they did a great job to foster a place for awesome discussions and content which ultimately I would think is the goal of this sub too but I know a lot of people also find r SpaceX too heavily moderated. Also Tesla makes consumer products and SpaceX makes rockets so it doesn t attract the same crowd. It s up for discussion. There s also the question of **Musk s tweetstorms**. Of course this week it was sort of a AMA which made it worst but he often starts little tweetstorms with similar results on the sub. I think the obvious solution is not to allow direct links to his Twitter. Instead people can use text posts with a descriptive headline and the tweet in the post. OP can then update the post with followup tweets if there s any and mods can add a tweetstorm in comments flair. Again it s up to discussion. I m sure you guys have plenty of suggestions so post them here and we will discuss them. If you don t agree with a suggestion please don t just write that you disagree and instead explain why or even better you can suggest an alternative. Sorry for the wall of text. TL DR: suggestions to improve the sub. Cheers Fred | r SpaceX mod here. I ll add in my view since I also browse this sub and love it to bits. I think you re right about keeping a more relaxed version of rules in r teslamotors - it is a bit smaller and does feel more homely. That being said sometimes the memes are a bit too much for me but then again they can be quite fun too! For some reason when I saw this one (titled: [General Motors on the night of Model 3 unveiling](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=vrQFBYgwQW8) ) I laughed for quite a while. Furthermore the discussion here tends to be (or seems to be at least) self-moderating. I ll address why this isn t precisely the case in r SpaceX later. Our moderation over at r SpaceX is practically out of necessity we have perhaps the spikiest subreddit traffic graphs out there where we can go into lulls for months without launches and go without posts for up to 2 days to having 10 000+ people all browsing the subreddit simultaneously with all the hype that entails. It s so much we have to actually turn off subreddit submissions so **we** can enjoy the launch! Additionally unlike subreddits such as r nfl or sports subreddits that run game threads we have **no idea** if the launch will happen today or not! SES-9 the last mission was actually physically exhausting. It s a huge rollercoaster. All this hype can generate huge numbers of comments all it takes is one person to plant a seed comment and before you know it it s devolved into a pun thread that s miles long. Rockets also tend to be very err... phallic. You can imagine what sort of content such jokes produce. This is exacerbated during launches when people who only stay for launches arrive (transient fans) and don t read our rules and assume that jokes are the norm and acceptable. We do all of this because there s simply no other good spaceflight community out there. We don t want people to have to suffer through a wash of puns to find information - in short: **we aim to be as information dense as possible**. We also didn t add these rules all at once we ve iteratively altered our rules as the needs arise and we only do so **with** community permission. If the community doesn t like it then it shouldn t be a rule. In this sense we were kind of lucky from the start we added a few rules way back in 2013 this attracted a base of fans who had a low tolerance for low effort comment which snowballed and has almost self-selected who participates. Furthermore we also consult with the community every few months to see if anyone wants things changed - most of the time people are universally happy with our ruleset. I do like the way we deal with tweets though (which we get a very large number of!) if it s unique and not a duplicate let it through. It fosters discussion and keeps many things compartmentalized. **Here s how I d like to see this community be run:** in short don t go r SpaceX. Our rules work extremely well but only for our community. r TeslaMotors is a different community with different people. If you want to take some of our rules make sure they adapt well. I say keep doing what you re doing (because you do it great!) let the tweets stay as separate posts remove only the worst pun trains and perhaps bring in an Ask Anything -style sticky to address the influx of repetitive Model 3-related (and such) questions. Good luck you guys! This is my (second) favorite community ). | Why not just have a bot that automatically posts what Elon tweets? I enjoy the discussions surrounding what he tweets it s some of the best discussion on this subreddit. Making people have to write out a half-assed text post to not get it removed will only negatively affect the subreddit. | 111 | 6 | 412 |
4dmcag | 94 | Discussion on r TeslaMotors Future [Meta Thread] Hey everyone First of all welcome to the ~5 000 new subscribers who joined since the Model 3 unveil. I hope you will have fun and feel welcomed in our subreddit. Whether you want to lurk or contribute it s up to you but either way you are now part of the rEVolution. Now the subreddit has seen an unmanageable number of submissions in the past few days. It might look like we (the mods) have not been doing much but we removed 100s of duplicate posts and now we have u dieabetic s sticky post for Model 3 questions. We will probably have to start the process to find a new mod but the mod team will debate this following the discussions in this thread. Maybe someone in an European timezone? So this thread is to suggest and discuss possible new features rules and guidelines for r teslamotors. Last time we made one of those there were a few suggestions that didn t make much sense based on the number of daily posts and subscribers but now it could be different. For example a **weekly sticky post** for questions would probably make sense now. We have the #4 rule which was OK but getting rid of all those posts together with a thread refreshing weekly could be a possible alternative at this point. Maybe a weekly Tesla spotted post instead of single pictures? There s also the question of **low-effort content** . I know people always bring up the let the vote buttons take care of it argument but Reddit s system is far from perfect. We are in r all so we can get stupid things upvoted all the time. I like the r spacex example. I think they did a great job to foster a place for awesome discussions and content which ultimately I would think is the goal of this sub too but I know a lot of people also find r SpaceX too heavily moderated. Also Tesla makes consumer products and SpaceX makes rockets so it doesn t attract the same crowd. It s up for discussion. There s also the question of **Musk s tweetstorms**. Of course this week it was sort of a AMA which made it worst but he often starts little tweetstorms with similar results on the sub. I think the obvious solution is not to allow direct links to his Twitter. Instead people can use text posts with a descriptive headline and the tweet in the post. OP can then update the post with followup tweets if there s any and mods can add a tweetstorm in comments flair. Again it s up to discussion. I m sure you guys have plenty of suggestions so post them here and we will discuss them. If you don t agree with a suggestion please don t just write that you disagree and instead explain why or even better you can suggest an alternative. Sorry for the wall of text. TL DR: suggestions to improve the sub. Cheers Fred | r SpaceX mod here. I ll add in my view since I also browse this sub and love it to bits. I think you re right about keeping a more relaxed version of rules in r teslamotors - it is a bit smaller and does feel more homely. That being said sometimes the memes are a bit too much for me but then again they can be quite fun too! For some reason when I saw this one (titled: [General Motors on the night of Model 3 unveiling](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=vrQFBYgwQW8) ) I laughed for quite a while. Furthermore the discussion here tends to be (or seems to be at least) self-moderating. I ll address why this isn t precisely the case in r SpaceX later. Our moderation over at r SpaceX is practically out of necessity we have perhaps the spikiest subreddit traffic graphs out there where we can go into lulls for months without launches and go without posts for up to 2 days to having 10 000+ people all browsing the subreddit simultaneously with all the hype that entails. It s so much we have to actually turn off subreddit submissions so **we** can enjoy the launch! Additionally unlike subreddits such as r nfl or sports subreddits that run game threads we have **no idea** if the launch will happen today or not! SES-9 the last mission was actually physically exhausting. It s a huge rollercoaster. All this hype can generate huge numbers of comments all it takes is one person to plant a seed comment and before you know it it s devolved into a pun thread that s miles long. Rockets also tend to be very err... phallic. You can imagine what sort of content such jokes produce. This is exacerbated during launches when people who only stay for launches arrive (transient fans) and don t read our rules and assume that jokes are the norm and acceptable. We do all of this because there s simply no other good spaceflight community out there. We don t want people to have to suffer through a wash of puns to find information - in short: **we aim to be as information dense as possible**. We also didn t add these rules all at once we ve iteratively altered our rules as the needs arise and we only do so **with** community permission. If the community doesn t like it then it shouldn t be a rule. In this sense we were kind of lucky from the start we added a few rules way back in 2013 this attracted a base of fans who had a low tolerance for low effort comment which snowballed and has almost self-selected who participates. Furthermore we also consult with the community every few months to see if anyone wants things changed - most of the time people are universally happy with our ruleset. I do like the way we deal with tweets though (which we get a very large number of!) if it s unique and not a duplicate let it through. It fosters discussion and keeps many things compartmentalized. **Here s how I d like to see this community be run:** in short don t go r SpaceX. Our rules work extremely well but only for our community. r TeslaMotors is a different community with different people. If you want to take some of our rules make sure they adapt well. I say keep doing what you re doing (because you do it great!) let the tweets stay as separate posts remove only the worst pun trains and perhaps bring in an Ask Anything -style sticky to address the influx of repetitive Model 3-related (and such) questions. Good luck you guys! This is my (second) favorite community ). | Good call u FredTesla. We definitely need to update the FAQ Wiki with as many answers to generic questions. Granted people ignore that the sidebar but it ll help a little. Things will slow down a bit until the next announcement. Elon thought part 2 would bring the most reservations - so I m guessing the next unveil will bring the same similar flood of users posts. To everyone suggesting different subreddits: those already exist but most people just post here anyways since we have the users. I think another good idea would be to have theme days . IE on Fridays everyone can post pics of the cars. Not sure if that would really cut down on the moderation though Cheers | 111 | 7 | 413 |
4dov13 | 68 | Tesla Model S White Knuckle Trip to Next Supercharger - Out of Range?!? During my SD to AZ trip last week I ran into a bit of a challenge getting to our next supercharger in Cheyenne WY. We had just traveled through what we would consider a light snow storm in South Dakota. After carefully driving through the snow storm it was mostly dry road ahead and the snow had passed. However we came across a flashing road closed sign and a snow plow parked in the middle of the road blocking the route. Unfortunately we were 40 miles from our next supercharger. Which also means that we were near out of battery charge. Our options for doubling back and detours were very limited. I talked to the snow plow operator to see if the road was going to be opening soon since the road was clear. He informed me that they were closing it for the night due to the weather forecast. Our next step was to figure out where to find a place to charge while also being in the middle of no where and to do so without cell or Internet service. This was further complicated by not having enough range left in the battery to just drive around and find a place to charge. I ended up driving back to the last town and stopped at the small town bar. They called the people that they knew around town. I drove out to a dilapidated metal building on the edge of town after the bar owner contacted them to let them know my situation. I pulled in a little unsure if I was at the correct place. You have to love small town directions... turn left when the road curves left after a quarter or maybe a half a mile near the old such and such. Then you turn right next to a metal shed (multiple metal sheds insight) etc... I knock on the door but no answer. I knock again and nothing. I start to look around to see if there is another door. I did not want to poke around too much because it looked like the kind of place that you might get shot if you looked like you might be breaking in. I grew up on a farm outside of small town Iowa so I get a pass saying that. After a few moments I heard a guy inside bellow something. I yelled out hello again. No response. After a moment I heard a Just come in! Not in a nice The doors open come on in type way. In a For heaven s sake just come in already kind of way. I walked in and there were two guys working on something with their backs to me. I stood there and waited for 3 or 4 minutes then one turned towards me and said Hi. I explained my situation and shown him my nema 14-50 plugin adapter. After looking near his welder area we determined that his outlet was not of the correct type. I thanked them for their time and drove to the next nearest town which was 30 more miles away. At this point I was down to 8 estimated miles left in the battery. I drove by a closed rv mobile home park. This was in March and most camping places do not open in this part of the country until April or later. I decided to spin around and check it out anyway. It turns out the owner lived there and was home. I knocked on the door and he was happy to help. He found us a camp site that had a 250v 50a hookup. We plugged into it for about 1 hour which recharged about 29 miles worth of range. By then it was starting to get dark and cold out. I had a little one in the car so we had to head out and find a hotel for the night. We found a hotel and plugged into a 110v for the night netting us another 40 miles range. The next morning the sun was shining but the road remained closed. After 10am we decided to try a detour. However this detour was just outside of our possible range. We found a destination charger in a city park along the path and our trip depended on the park being open and the outlet being available. We made it to the charging point and charged for another couple of hours. We ended up leaving for Cheyenne with an extra 20 miles worth of range. Once we set out again the Tesla informed us to drive less than 55 mph to reach our destination. This was in an 80 mph zone on the interstate. On top of that it was quite cold and there were many large hills that we had to drive up and down. We were a bit worried about not making it to the charger. I made sure that we had turned off everything in the car. No drive lights fog lights unplugged phones from the usb ports turned off the seat heater cabin heater defrost and made sure range mode was on etc... I drove gingerly up and down the hills spanning our route without using autopilot or cruise control. White knuckling it the entire way. We eventually made it with a few miles to spare! I shot a short video explaining the situation as we neared the Cheyenne charge point that you can see here: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=PLIbbhDo_IU& index=16& list=PLZFKkps9SoShfgL1ez1gF9bHMgH46rIDz& nohtml5=False | This is like every EV owners worst nightmare horror story. I ve had my Tesla for a few months and even though we get over 200 miles a charge range anxiety is still a real tangible thing. Hopefully soon EV s will match or exceed gasoline cars in range. | Great to hear your trip turned out well. | 49 | 13 | 414 |
4dsudi | 61 | I think my Model 3 might end up costing $70K Some quick calculations: * Base price $35 000 * Supercharging enabled $1 000 *old 60 KWh price (s w only)* * Dual-motor AWD $4 000 * less than $5 000 * * Autopilot enabled $2 500 *Model S price* * Smart air suspension $2 500 *Model S price* * Sub-zero weather package $1 000 *Model S price* * Panoramic roof $1 500 *Model S price* * Leather interior $2 500 *Model S price* * Premium interior & lighting $3 000 *Model S price* * Ultra high-fidelity sound $2 500 *Model S price* * Battery upgrade $13 900 *cost of 70 > 90D minus $5 000 for AWD* * Upgraded paint $1 000 *Model S price* Total: $70 400 Yes yes I know the limitations of my method. Options probably won t cost exactly what they do on the Model S. Tesla is pushing down battery prices with the Gigafactory. Not all Model S options will be available on the Model 3. But as a sanity check a tricked-out BMW 3-series costs more than a base-level 5-series so this makes sense. By the way this isn t a complaint. If I don t want to pay for all these options I don t have to. I trust that Tesla is going to deliver on their $35 000 promise. But I d like a nicely appointed car and so I m willing to pay. EDIT: Added upgraded paint for $1 000. EDIT 2: Reduced cost of Supercharger option to $1 000. EDIT 3: After observing the discussion it s clear that that the wild card is the battery. As shown above it represents about 39% of my total upgrade cost. The promise of the Gigafactory is to bring down battery prices. By how much I don t know. I m hopeful that a battery upgrade to get the Model 3 from 215 to 270+ miles of range won t actually cost $13 900. However I based the list above on published data wherever I could and we have published data for a Tesla battery upgrade so I used that. | I think you re probably about right. I would expect a fully loaded Model 3 would end up encroaching on base Model S territory. I m hoping the battery upgrade prices come down a lot once the Gigafactory starts really rolling. I m also hoping that some of those savings get passed down to the Model S. Although they re still selling like hotcakes I imagine they won t. | I think some of those options will be allot lower i believe a fully loaded one will not be over 60k. They probably charged more for MS because its a premium car. | 30 | 2 | 415 |
4dytjj | 150 | I happily gave Tesla $1000 on reservation day. I would happily give them $1000 every month if it helped speed up production and pay down my reserved Model ≡. Pay what you want and receive a credit on your MyTesla account. I can t tell if this is a drunk idea. This beer might be thinking for me. | Buy an S model and you ll have your $1000 mo goal. Win win | This is a great idea. Help people save get free money. Win win. | 64 | 3 | 416 |
4dytjj | 150 | I happily gave Tesla $1000 on reservation day. I would happily give them $1000 every month if it helped speed up production and pay down my reserved Model ≡. Pay what you want and receive a credit on your MyTesla account. I can t tell if this is a drunk idea. This beer might be thinking for me. | Buy an S model and you ll have your $1000 mo goal. Win win | How many of you are currently saving for model 3? Something like a Tesla savings account where Tesla gets to use the money instead of a bank makes a lot of sense! I for one would happily give up my 1% interest. | 64 | 6 | 417 |
4dytjj | 150 | I happily gave Tesla $1000 on reservation day. I would happily give them $1000 every month if it helped speed up production and pay down my reserved Model ≡. Pay what you want and receive a credit on your MyTesla account. I can t tell if this is a drunk idea. This beer might be thinking for me. | Buy an S model and you ll have your $1000 mo goal. Win win | Yes please! | 64 | 9 | 418 |
4e27z4 | 174 | How am I supposed to have sex in the back seat of the Model 3? Seriously the all glass roof is amazing but there is no privacy. In the test drive videos you could see the entire inside of the car from the outside. It d be nice if they offered some kind of dimming or tinting options. And the place where you d most want to have as much glass overhead as possible - the driver seat like in the Model X - you have a crossbar overhead. I m not disappointed by any means but just some observations. | This is not what i expected to see on my r teslamotors lunch break. | Somebody please help this person! | 119 | 6 | 419 |
4e27z4 | 174 | How am I supposed to have sex in the back seat of the Model 3? Seriously the all glass roof is amazing but there is no privacy. In the test drive videos you could see the entire inside of the car from the outside. It d be nice if they offered some kind of dimming or tinting options. And the place where you d most want to have as much glass overhead as possible - the driver seat like in the Model X - you have a crossbar overhead. I m not disappointed by any means but just some observations. | > How am I supposed to have sex in the back seat of the model 3 With an audience. | Or where am I going to hide the bodies? | 88 | 3 | 420 |
4e27z4 | 174 | How am I supposed to have sex in the back seat of the Model 3? Seriously the all glass roof is amazing but there is no privacy. In the test drive videos you could see the entire inside of the car from the outside. It d be nice if they offered some kind of dimming or tinting options. And the place where you d most want to have as much glass overhead as possible - the driver seat like in the Model X - you have a crossbar overhead. I m not disappointed by any means but just some observations. | > How am I supposed to have sex in the back seat of the model 3 With an audience. | Somebody please help this person! | 88 | 6 | 421 |
4e4a7h | 24 | If Tesla forks the Model III right now into sedan option and Compact SUV option how many of you would switch to SUV? Assuming same production schedule you keep your current place in line (ie no change in delivery schedule rebate) and the SUV will be around a 10% premium over the sedan version. | I d jump to the compact SUV option in a heartbeat. The reason I love my station wagon is how easy it is to deal with bikes and dogs (GF and I have no interest in kids). I ve got my Model 3 reservation and will take delivery if they haven t announced the Model Y by that time but as soon as the wagon crossover whatever is released my Model 3 is for sale. | If I could get a Y for just a bit more and it has falcon wings (making getting kids in and out of car seats even easier though the 3 s roomy 2nd row should also be better than average) I d probably switch to it. Or order a 2nd car with one a 3 and one a Y. | 40 | 3 | 422 |
4e4a7h | 24 | If Tesla forks the Model III right now into sedan option and Compact SUV option how many of you would switch to SUV? Assuming same production schedule you keep your current place in line (ie no change in delivery schedule rebate) and the SUV will be around a 10% premium over the sedan version. | I d jump to the compact SUV option in a heartbeat. The reason I love my station wagon is how easy it is to deal with bikes and dogs (GF and I have no interest in kids). I ve got my Model 3 reservation and will take delivery if they haven t announced the Model Y by that time but as soon as the wagon crossover whatever is released my Model 3 is for sale. | I d stay with the sedan. | 40 | 5 | 423 |
4e4a7h | 24 | If Tesla forks the Model III right now into sedan option and Compact SUV option how many of you would switch to SUV? Assuming same production schedule you keep your current place in line (ie no change in delivery schedule rebate) and the SUV will be around a 10% premium over the sedan version. | I d jump to the compact SUV option in a heartbeat. The reason I love my station wagon is how easy it is to deal with bikes and dogs (GF and I have no interest in kids). I ve got my Model 3 reservation and will take delivery if they haven t announced the Model Y by that time but as soon as the wagon crossover whatever is released my Model 3 is for sale. | Pass. No SUV for me thanks. | 40 | 6 | 424 |
4e6p0y | 46 | Buying a used 2012 Tesla Model S 40kwh for 15 000? Hello everyone a private seller have just offered me a used 2012 model S tesla with signature red and 55k miles for 15 000. Should I buy it? Also I plan to take to to Tesla to do an inspection before I buy it. Looking for advice thank you! Edit #1: A little bit of update on the car. The Model S is still under the 8 year battery warranty and the title is clean. The seller is a local business owner who is indeed of cash and therefore is selling his own tesla for it. I will ask for the VIN and hopefully update again soon! Thank you. :) | It s either the deal of the century or a scam. | Dude buy it! | 50 | 3 | 425 |
4e6p0y | 46 | Buying a used 2012 Tesla Model S 40kwh for 15 000? Hello everyone a private seller have just offered me a used 2012 model S tesla with signature red and 55k miles for 15 000. Should I buy it? Also I plan to take to to Tesla to do an inspection before I buy it. Looking for advice thank you! Edit #1: A little bit of update on the car. The Model S is still under the 8 year battery warranty and the title is clean. The seller is a local business owner who is indeed of cash and therefore is selling his own tesla for it. I will ask for the VIN and hopefully update again soon! Thank you. :) | It s either the deal of the century or a scam. | Salvage title? | 50 | 4 | 426 |
4e6p0y | 46 | Buying a used 2012 Tesla Model S 40kwh for 15 000? Hello everyone a private seller have just offered me a used 2012 model S tesla with signature red and 55k miles for 15 000. Should I buy it? Also I plan to take to to Tesla to do an inspection before I buy it. Looking for advice thank you! Edit #1: A little bit of update on the car. The Model S is still under the 8 year battery warranty and the title is clean. The seller is a local business owner who is indeed of cash and therefore is selling his own tesla for it. I will ask for the VIN and hopefully update again soon! Thank you. :) | It s either the deal of the century or a scam. | Seems like a steal. If it is out of warranty even if you had to do $20K of repairs to it it s still a good deal. It almost seems too good to be true. The only bad thing is that without paying to unlock the additional 20kWh and adding Supercharging you probably won t be taking any extended road trips in it. | 50 | 9 | 427 |
4efscb | 214 | [Official Thread] Model S refresh and new features Updates: Everything new about the updated Model S: The front fascia and headlights of Model S now have a design similar to that found on Model X. * Official picture: http: i.imgur.com 461fBKW.jpg * The Tesla HEPA air filtration system which was previously only available on Model X is now available on Model S too. The filter is 100 times more effective than all other premium automotive filters removing at least 99.97% of particulate exhaust pollution and effectively all allergens bacteria and other contaminants from cabin air. * The standard charger in Model S is upgraded from 40 amps to 48 amps enabling faster charging when connected to higher amperage charging sources. * Two new interior décor choices: Figured Ash Wood Décor and Dark Ash Wood Décor. * The [design studio is up](https: www.teslamotors.com models design?source=models-features1& redirect=no) if you want to explore it yourself. * The price increased by $1 500 across the board. The base Model S 70 now starts at $71 500. * It looks like the redesign increased the range without having to introduce bigger battery packs. The Model S 90D Tesla s vehicle with the best range is now advertised with a range of 294 miles – up from 288 miles. * [New canvas going up in Richmond Australia](https: imgur.com MZIifXt). - [thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 4efifr new_canvas_going_up_in_richmond_australia ) I m starting this thread so we can keep everything about the design refresh and new features in here. There s currently another thread up but since it doesn t mention the redesing in the headline it s not really practical. I ll try to update the thread through out the day but I feel like it s probably going to be busy at work today... Feel free to u at me in the thread when you have something worthy of an update. Cheers Fred | Center console is now standard and includes a quick-connection phone dock | I like the new look. I am sure that s just the minor part of this upgrade. | 37 | 2 | 428 |
4efscb | 214 | [Official Thread] Model S refresh and new features Updates: Everything new about the updated Model S: The front fascia and headlights of Model S now have a design similar to that found on Model X. * Official picture: http: i.imgur.com 461fBKW.jpg * The Tesla HEPA air filtration system which was previously only available on Model X is now available on Model S too. The filter is 100 times more effective than all other premium automotive filters removing at least 99.97% of particulate exhaust pollution and effectively all allergens bacteria and other contaminants from cabin air. * The standard charger in Model S is upgraded from 40 amps to 48 amps enabling faster charging when connected to higher amperage charging sources. * Two new interior décor choices: Figured Ash Wood Décor and Dark Ash Wood Décor. * The [design studio is up](https: www.teslamotors.com models design?source=models-features1& redirect=no) if you want to explore it yourself. * The price increased by $1 500 across the board. The base Model S 70 now starts at $71 500. * It looks like the redesign increased the range without having to introduce bigger battery packs. The Model S 90D Tesla s vehicle with the best range is now advertised with a range of 294 miles – up from 288 miles. * [New canvas going up in Richmond Australia](https: imgur.com MZIifXt). - [thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 4efifr new_canvas_going_up_in_richmond_australia ) I m starting this thread so we can keep everything about the design refresh and new features in here. There s currently another thread up but since it doesn t mention the redesing in the headline it s not really practical. I ll try to update the thread through out the day but I feel like it s probably going to be busy at work today... Feel free to u at me in the thread when you have something worthy of an update. Cheers Fred | Center console is now standard and includes a quick-connection phone dock | Plaid mode activate | 37 | 2 | 429 |
4efscb | 214 | [Official Thread] Model S refresh and new features Updates: Everything new about the updated Model S: The front fascia and headlights of Model S now have a design similar to that found on Model X. * Official picture: http: i.imgur.com 461fBKW.jpg * The Tesla HEPA air filtration system which was previously only available on Model X is now available on Model S too. The filter is 100 times more effective than all other premium automotive filters removing at least 99.97% of particulate exhaust pollution and effectively all allergens bacteria and other contaminants from cabin air. * The standard charger in Model S is upgraded from 40 amps to 48 amps enabling faster charging when connected to higher amperage charging sources. * Two new interior décor choices: Figured Ash Wood Décor and Dark Ash Wood Décor. * The [design studio is up](https: www.teslamotors.com models design?source=models-features1& redirect=no) if you want to explore it yourself. * The price increased by $1 500 across the board. The base Model S 70 now starts at $71 500. * It looks like the redesign increased the range without having to introduce bigger battery packs. The Model S 90D Tesla s vehicle with the best range is now advertised with a range of 294 miles – up from 288 miles. * [New canvas going up in Richmond Australia](https: imgur.com MZIifXt). - [thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 4efifr new_canvas_going_up_in_richmond_australia ) I m starting this thread so we can keep everything about the design refresh and new features in here. There s currently another thread up but since it doesn t mention the redesing in the headline it s not really practical. I ll try to update the thread through out the day but I feel like it s probably going to be busy at work today... Feel free to u at me in the thread when you have something worthy of an update. Cheers Fred | Center console is now standard and includes a quick-connection phone dock | http: electrek.co 2016 04 12 first-look-tesla-model-s-new-front-end | 37 | 3 | 430 |
4egvmt | 236 | Ordered Model S March 31 Tesla just confirmed I will get all the new updates free of charge. I ordered my Model S on March 31 and it finalizes tomorrow April 13 my Tesla Sales Adviser just wrote to me saying: Do not worry your vehicle will be as ordered plus the updates at no additional charge. Exciting times! | We expect a full review in HD. Do not let us down OP. | Excellent...good for you and smart of them to do it this way. | 63 | 7 | 431 |
4egvmt | 236 | Ordered Model S March 31 Tesla just confirmed I will get all the new updates free of charge. I ordered my Model S on March 31 and it finalizes tomorrow April 13 my Tesla Sales Adviser just wrote to me saying: Do not worry your vehicle will be as ordered plus the updates at no additional charge. Exciting times! | We expect a full review in HD. Do not let us down OP. | That s strange though was it because you called or just a given? Like obviously people are going to be fine with more features included but they changed the look of the car. What if you don t like it? They re in some choppy waters if a few hundred people are going to get a very different looking car than the one they ordered. If a bunch of people spent $100Kish on Camaros and then Chevy upped and sent them a car with a completely different front end I feel like that would trigger a Classic out of touch ICE company! bait and switch! that s got to be basically illegal! type reaction in these parts. (Even if most people liked the new end better they d be against it in principle.) | 63 | 14 | 432 |
4egvmt | 236 | Ordered Model S March 31 Tesla just confirmed I will get all the new updates free of charge. I ordered my Model S on March 31 and it finalizes tomorrow April 13 my Tesla Sales Adviser just wrote to me saying: Do not worry your vehicle will be as ordered plus the updates at no additional charge. Exciting times! | We expect a full review in HD. Do not let us down OP. | My Sales Advisor just clarified that my previously selected Piano Black decor will be replaced by the new standard Dark Ash Wood. | 63 | 29 | 433 |
4eq77n | 138 | Mashable.com: Model 3 versus Bolt EV (the sheer ignorance and incompleteness is astonishing in this one) Here it is: http: mashable.com 2016 04 02 chevrolet-bolt-ev-versus-tesla-model-3 I had a look at around 5-10 other comparison articles and none were as bad as this. Where do I begin? No mention of supercharging little talk of autopilot interior space AWD or direct sales. All the comments see right through the crap though. Some are pretty funny: > Honestly even if I was paid by GM to write a hit piece I would have had the common sense to avoid giving the nod to Chevy in Styling and Tech for fear of it being too obviously biased. I never tend to suspect paid-for articles like so many people do. However I just can t see how someone could be this biased and ignorant. | So we know not to read any of Nick Jaynes s pieces at Mashable anymore. A guy that completely glosses over Autopilot (an option or not) and hands the TECHNOLOGY category in an article in the TECHNOLOGY section of a website to a car that can t drive itself needs his geek card revoked. Not to mention plugging the GM app and not mentioning the Tesla app with the Summon feature. Moving along... | pricing definitively goes to Bolt in US because GM will have tax rebate for longer. For any new buyer it will be probably Tesla without rebate or Bolt with rebate probably for many years to come. But that applies only to US in the rest of the world Tesla definitively wins. in technology there is a mention of mobile app back camera LTE connection bluetooth telephony in Bolt but since Tesla does offer it as a standard on Model S and it isn t some expensive piece of technology I would expect it standard on Model 3. So even by their standard it is a tie. Design: exterior definitelly Tesla interior by now Bolt. But I would expect that to change before the production version. Also I would say exterior design is more important because when someone sees the Model 3 and Chevy Bolt for the first time he can lose interest in Bolt immediately and not even look into the interior. So Tesla is the winner here especially if the will improve on interior Taking delivery - Bolt is the winner no doubt But wait! there is more Autopilot - definitely Tesla SW updates - Tesla Usable interior space - Tesla Superchargers - Tesla handling properties - probably Tesla for lower center of gravity and some other things And I forgot to mention that some things are more important than others. I think that Supercharger + sporty car (but not small) will win most of the people to Tesla and one year of wait + few bucks won t make that much of a difference. Practically it will be no-competition in my opinion. In worse case 10 Teslas for 1 Bolt in best case even more for Tesla | 52 | 7 | 434 |
4eq77n | 138 | Mashable.com: Model 3 versus Bolt EV (the sheer ignorance and incompleteness is astonishing in this one) Here it is: http: mashable.com 2016 04 02 chevrolet-bolt-ev-versus-tesla-model-3 I had a look at around 5-10 other comparison articles and none were as bad as this. Where do I begin? No mention of supercharging little talk of autopilot interior space AWD or direct sales. All the comments see right through the crap though. Some are pretty funny: > Honestly even if I was paid by GM to write a hit piece I would have had the common sense to avoid giving the nod to Chevy in Styling and Tech for fear of it being too obviously biased. I never tend to suspect paid-for articles like so many people do. However I just can t see how someone could be this biased and ignorant. | So we know not to read any of Nick Jaynes s pieces at Mashable anymore. A guy that completely glosses over Autopilot (an option or not) and hands the TECHNOLOGY category in an article in the TECHNOLOGY section of a website to a car that can t drive itself needs his geek card revoked. Not to mention plugging the GM app and not mentioning the Tesla app with the Summon feature. Moving along... | Mainstream media... | 52 | 8 | 435 |
4eq77n | 138 | Mashable.com: Model 3 versus Bolt EV (the sheer ignorance and incompleteness is astonishing in this one) Here it is: http: mashable.com 2016 04 02 chevrolet-bolt-ev-versus-tesla-model-3 I had a look at around 5-10 other comparison articles and none were as bad as this. Where do I begin? No mention of supercharging little talk of autopilot interior space AWD or direct sales. All the comments see right through the crap though. Some are pretty funny: > Honestly even if I was paid by GM to write a hit piece I would have had the common sense to avoid giving the nod to Chevy in Styling and Tech for fear of it being too obviously biased. I never tend to suspect paid-for articles like so many people do. However I just can t see how someone could be this biased and ignorant. | So we know not to read any of Nick Jaynes s pieces at Mashable anymore. A guy that completely glosses over Autopilot (an option or not) and hands the TECHNOLOGY category in an article in the TECHNOLOGY section of a website to a car that can t drive itself needs his geek card revoked. Not to mention plugging the GM app and not mentioning the Tesla app with the Summon feature. Moving along... | You can tweet the author like I did: https: twitter.com NickJaynes | 52 | 10 | 436 |
4f0lje | 161 | Apology and Call to Action: Stop saying M3 . I m new to your world and I admit I ve used the term M3 when referencing the Model 3. I now see the error in my ways. **M3 belongs to BMW.** Tesla is king for being unique. Let s keep it that way. | Thank you! M3 has been irritating me since people started saying it because the actual *M3* is an awesome car in its own right. | It makes no sense to say M3. Best case you ll cause confusion with the already very well known BMW M3. Or you ll get laughed out of an enthusiast forum for trying to force it. Model 3 isn t hard to type. TM3 or just 3 if you re really feeling lazy. | 74 | 10 | 437 |
4f0lje | 161 | Apology and Call to Action: Stop saying M3 . I m new to your world and I admit I ve used the term M3 when referencing the Model 3. I now see the error in my ways. **M3 belongs to BMW.** Tesla is king for being unique. Let s keep it that way. | And stop using FWD for falcon wing doors | I suggest calling it the Model E! | 29 | 2 | 438 |
4f0lje | 161 | Apology and Call to Action: Stop saying M3 . I m new to your world and I admit I ve used the term M3 when referencing the Model 3. I now see the error in my ways. **M3 belongs to BMW.** Tesla is king for being unique. Let s keep it that way. | And stop using FWD for falcon wing doors | Couldn t agree more. It confused the hell out of me at first | 29 | 2 | 439 |
4f1j5g | 37 | Please Stop the Bolt Hate Why has this sub become so hostile towards every car that isn t a Tesla? I understand we all love these cars but that doesn t mean we have to hate all other cars. Almost every car available is great at something and is a good choice for someone. Just because it s not a good choice for you doesn t mean it s a a bad car. But more importantly for me is the insult to the people who make them. It takes thousands of people many years of their lives to build these cars. Many lose their families through divorce or just lose the connection with their kids while away on new model launch. Some people lose their lives setting up the factory. I personally can attribute the loss of my fiance to a particular SUV. So when someone just writes it off without ever even sitting in it... I get a tad frustrated. The Bolt will be a great addition in the market place for mainstream EVs. I can think of plenty of reasons someone might choose it over the Tesla. I m personally getting the model 3 but that doesn t mean I feel the need to attack the Bolt. | It s because some people see right through GM s bullshit. I personally don t want to see GM succeed. In fact they DONT succeed. They fail. Bankrupt twice. How the hell do you go bankrupt twice and still hang around. Oh right.... too big to fail. Too many favors on Capitol Hill owed from all that lobbying. Kinda like how they lobby to keep Tesla from selling cars legally in states. Kinda like how they lobby against EPA regulations. This should piss everyone off. I m not even sure if thier vehicle division makes money. Most of thier profits come from thier finance department. They are more loan shark than they are car manufacture if you go buy what makes them the most money. Why would any one want them to partake in the fruits of the electric revolution? They don t deserve it. They had a 20 year jump on the industry with the EV1 and you know what they said. They said FU American consumer even though people were literally protesting and picketing for GM not to repo the fleet and crush them. They said FU we are going to buy Hummer instead and make 8 mile per gallon monstrosities. Probably in collusion with big oil. Then oops it back fired and they flew private jets down to beg for money from our elected officials. Then thier buddies in congress said here I ll talk money from citizens and give it to you so you can have a 3rd chance to do the same thing. Then they have the audacity to bitch and moan about compliance vehicles . That s what they actually freaking call it compliance vehicles . They don t give a shit and they don t care if you want to own a car that doesn t burn fossile fuels. Just listen to interviews of bob lutz talking nothing but shit about Tesla and thier fairy dream. Why oh why would any fan of Tesla root for Government Motors. They are actively fighting the revolution while making compliance vehicles until they can weather the storm. They are dinosaurs and their time is over. they have had multiple chances and they just don t care. Root for ford or something. At least they arnt back to back bankruptcy Champions. Nissan also seems serious about it they just want to let Tesla show them how to do it. No shame in that game. Fuk GM | Well within electric cars you ll have the same kind of criticism you would have withith all other cars. Do people not hate on this car or another for their flaws in the gas world ? Electric is no different. People interested in Teslas have every right to poke fun at the Bolt. Its within the context of electric cars Im sure everyone is happy to have another decent electric car on the market. | 94 | 3 | 440 |
4f1j5g | 37 | Please Stop the Bolt Hate Why has this sub become so hostile towards every car that isn t a Tesla? I understand we all love these cars but that doesn t mean we have to hate all other cars. Almost every car available is great at something and is a good choice for someone. Just because it s not a good choice for you doesn t mean it s a a bad car. But more importantly for me is the insult to the people who make them. It takes thousands of people many years of their lives to build these cars. Many lose their families through divorce or just lose the connection with their kids while away on new model launch. Some people lose their lives setting up the factory. I personally can attribute the loss of my fiance to a particular SUV. So when someone just writes it off without ever even sitting in it... I get a tad frustrated. The Bolt will be a great addition in the market place for mainstream EVs. I can think of plenty of reasons someone might choose it over the Tesla. I m personally getting the model 3 but that doesn t mean I feel the need to attack the Bolt. | For me it s not about Model 3 vs. Bolt. It s about the companies and what they stand for. Tesla is a car and a car company built from first principles. It questioned everything and became a leader that the rest of the industry is scrambling to emulate. They said we need electric cars. So let s build them. But electric cars need to charge and charging doesn t exist. So let s build that too. And if we really want to walk the walk and build millions of these things there just aren t enough batteries. So let s double the world s production ourselves. And who needs dealers? People don t like them. Let s change that whole experience. And while we re at it we ll make our cars look better and safer and faster and we ll keep giving owners new features via technology. Tesla has single-handedly lit a fire under the rest of the global car industry and changed the whole idea of what a car should be. As a result Tesla is the most authentic voice in sustainable transport. GM had their chance to lead. The produced a car that people loved the EV1. If they stuck to that program Tesla as a company may have never been necessary today. But instead of embracing a technology that would have made the world better faster they fought long and hard to defeat the regulations that necessitated the development of that vehicle. And then when they won the gathered all of them up crushed them and swept them under the rug. They went back to selling Hummers and Escalades. Meanwhile they ignored deadly defects in their cars for years. They took bailout money. They made motions that they would innovate once more with the Volt but have watched it languish on the market due to insufficient training and directive to an uninterested dealer network. And so when Tesla announces a car that makes the Bolt feel irrelevant I can t help but feel a sense of victory despite the fact that I m rooting for as many EVs as possible am cheering on the companies that I feel get it (BMW and Nissan for instance due to impressive 1st-gen vehicles long term vision investment in infrastructure and innovation in materials and manufacturing). We need companies like Tesla who have a mission and put their money where their mouth is (by burning immense cash in the short term to lay the long term groundwork of manufacturing and infrastructure). These companies keep the others honest and innovating. They carry us forward. And without them we ve already seen that companies like GM are willing to sweep the whole thing under the rug and hope everyone forgets about it. That s why sometimes I bash the Bolt. | Well within electric cars you ll have the same kind of criticism you would have withith all other cars. Do people not hate on this car or another for their flaws in the gas world ? Electric is no different. People interested in Teslas have every right to poke fun at the Bolt. Its within the context of electric cars Im sure everyone is happy to have another decent electric car on the market. | 88 | 3 | 441 |
4f1j5g | 37 | Please Stop the Bolt Hate Why has this sub become so hostile towards every car that isn t a Tesla? I understand we all love these cars but that doesn t mean we have to hate all other cars. Almost every car available is great at something and is a good choice for someone. Just because it s not a good choice for you doesn t mean it s a a bad car. But more importantly for me is the insult to the people who make them. It takes thousands of people many years of their lives to build these cars. Many lose their families through divorce or just lose the connection with their kids while away on new model launch. Some people lose their lives setting up the factory. I personally can attribute the loss of my fiance to a particular SUV. So when someone just writes it off without ever even sitting in it... I get a tad frustrated. The Bolt will be a great addition in the market place for mainstream EVs. I can think of plenty of reasons someone might choose it over the Tesla. I m personally getting the model 3 but that doesn t mean I feel the need to attack the Bolt. | For me it s not about Model 3 vs. Bolt. It s about the companies and what they stand for. Tesla is a car and a car company built from first principles. It questioned everything and became a leader that the rest of the industry is scrambling to emulate. They said we need electric cars. So let s build them. But electric cars need to charge and charging doesn t exist. So let s build that too. And if we really want to walk the walk and build millions of these things there just aren t enough batteries. So let s double the world s production ourselves. And who needs dealers? People don t like them. Let s change that whole experience. And while we re at it we ll make our cars look better and safer and faster and we ll keep giving owners new features via technology. Tesla has single-handedly lit a fire under the rest of the global car industry and changed the whole idea of what a car should be. As a result Tesla is the most authentic voice in sustainable transport. GM had their chance to lead. The produced a car that people loved the EV1. If they stuck to that program Tesla as a company may have never been necessary today. But instead of embracing a technology that would have made the world better faster they fought long and hard to defeat the regulations that necessitated the development of that vehicle. And then when they won the gathered all of them up crushed them and swept them under the rug. They went back to selling Hummers and Escalades. Meanwhile they ignored deadly defects in their cars for years. They took bailout money. They made motions that they would innovate once more with the Volt but have watched it languish on the market due to insufficient training and directive to an uninterested dealer network. And so when Tesla announces a car that makes the Bolt feel irrelevant I can t help but feel a sense of victory despite the fact that I m rooting for as many EVs as possible am cheering on the companies that I feel get it (BMW and Nissan for instance due to impressive 1st-gen vehicles long term vision investment in infrastructure and innovation in materials and manufacturing). We need companies like Tesla who have a mission and put their money where their mouth is (by burning immense cash in the short term to lay the long term groundwork of manufacturing and infrastructure). These companies keep the others honest and innovating. They carry us forward. And without them we ve already seen that companies like GM are willing to sweep the whole thing under the rug and hope everyone forgets about it. That s why sometimes I bash the Bolt. | The bolt is like the car you would sell to season 1 Walter White. I don t think people here are dismissive about either GM workers and engineers. But old-car companies are adverse to change. GM actively tried to prevent the development of the EV market because the current market is more profitable. The innovation is low and the margin high. Some EV exist only for legal reason only. I think people like tesla because they give you more for your bucks. Also people love a good underdog. | 88 | 3 | 442 |
4f1jvs | 433 | Cancelled one Model 3 preorder up to 30 days for refund Just an FYI - I accidentally double booked a reservation on the Model 3 and called Tesla to have one of them cancelled. The representative said it would arrive on my bank account within 30 days. This is not an issue but might be worth noting. I live in Scandinavia which might have something to do with it. | Yo whats up with the downvoting guys? Comon be civilized the guy had 2 preorders cancelled 1 and told you guys how long time it takes to get the refund. Whats wrong with that? I think its great that we now know this. *obligatory edit* I commented this because 4hours ago it had like 33% upvote. I wanted people to be aware that it would take a month for the cancelled reservations to be refunded. I have not seen this information posted since the unveil and its pretty important. | Please tell me you booked before the revealing so that I jump one place towards the front of the line. | 145 | 3 | 443 |
4f1jvs | 433 | Cancelled one Model 3 preorder up to 30 days for refund Just an FYI - I accidentally double booked a reservation on the Model 3 and called Tesla to have one of them cancelled. The representative said it would arrive on my bank account within 30 days. This is not an issue but might be worth noting. I live in Scandinavia which might have something to do with it. | Personally I wouldn t worry too much. Companies usually give themselves a large window to process a refund to avoid liability if something were to happen and the refund takes longer than usual. Banks differ so its hard to predict exactly how long processing will take. I would interpret it to mean no longer than 30 days and likely much sooner than their quote. If all goes well I would guess in the 3-7 day range. I do hope this didn t put you in a tough spot financially. Additionally I m sure the community would appreciate an update when you get your refund. Edit: formatting | Please tell me you booked before the revealing so that I jump one place towards the front of the line. | 43 | 3 | 444 |
4f8mz8 | 91 | I m calling it! There will be more than 1 MILLION preorders before the first preordered Model 3 will be delivered. My reasons for believing so are: - The news stream about the Model 3 will never totally cease which will keep fueling the hype. (I m using the word hype in a positive sense here.) - At the going rate preorders past 2 million aren t unrealistic at all. - There s going to be a run on the Tesla Model 3 when people realize the scarcity of this unique pretty and cool electric vehicle will make it rise in price once you get it from the factory. (People who want the car instantly and aren t strapped for cash will offer people who preordered the car a premium.) - Media coverage will spike as we re getting closer to production. Especially the presentation part 2 will generate significant interest which in turn will make preorder numbers shoot up. - Tesla has an interest in showing off the high preorder numbers to keep investors happy and possibly raise more cash if needed. Elon Musk has also stated their goal is really to force established car makers to shift their strategy. What better way is there to do that than to present an exorbitant preorder number? - We ll probably keep learning about innovative and highly desirable features before the first car has rolled of the band. Even if those features just may be tiny design details they have the potential to sway the opinion of people that are still standing on the side lines. What Apple among other things got right when they presented the first iPhone were many of those details. For example scrolling through a contact list with your fingers is a boring detail for us today but back then it was a revolutionary small design detail. - People who preorder a car are your best sales men. They ll proselytize many people about the advantages of going electric and in the process heighten the market value of the Tesla brand. | As with any queue the longer it gets the more the wait factor comes into play when you want to join it. I really want it but do I want to wait that long? I think it will plateau quite a bit before a million. I can t imagine joining a queue where I know 7 or 800k people are ahead of me. But maybe I m just being pessimistic. | Yes yes there will. | 42 | 3 | 445 |
4fbhb7 | 21 | What resources did Elon use to figure out how to build the high fidelity sound system? I know it s made in-house and I ve heard great things about it. Does anyone know how the system was conceived? | You do realize Elon Musk does not single-handedly do everything at Tesla right? I doubt he had much of anything to do with the sound system other than telling someone else to make it sound good. | If you trust this guy the Model S sound system is crap and inefficient https: www.youtube.com watch?v=UfciRnSqQd0 (and they offer a replacement http: lightharmonic.com tesla ) I m inclined to believe him I d like to know what a sound engineer think about it. Some audiophiles are known to be idiotically puristic. | 62 | 4 | 446 |
4fbhb7 | 21 | What resources did Elon use to figure out how to build the high fidelity sound system? I know it s made in-house and I ve heard great things about it. Does anyone know how the system was conceived? | You do realize Elon Musk does not single-handedly do everything at Tesla right? I doubt he had much of anything to do with the sound system other than telling someone else to make it sound good. | Audio is not hard unless you are chasing the last 1%. I d consider myself an extreme audiophile but I never let that get in the way of just enjoying good music or sound design*. I spent some amount of time reading and researching mostly online plus I occasionally produce myself. At the moment I m working on getting my 7.1 surround sound system going in the home theatre and one learns a lot just by doing. Knowing how fast Elon can absorb and process information this would have taken him comparatively little time. Even speaking with aftermarket installers for 10 minutes can yield a ton of information because experience. Is there a source on Elon designing the HFAS himself? It would be pretty cool if he did but it s definitely far from the most impressive thing he has done if so. You also have to remember that people are still feeding 128Kbps MP3 s that they ripped 10 years ago into their audio systems and thinking they re hearing detail. Different (uninitiated) people have different references to what they perceive as good and bad sound and unfortunately marketing in this matter influences people too much. Too many people I have spoken with consider Beats By Dre to be the pinnacle of audio fidelity. Why? Because Dre designed them and obviously he knows more than you! Plus it says so on the box! Beats have the most horrifying hardcoded equalization I ve ever heard. There s no balance and often Treble is artificially boosted because people aren t used to hearing Treble (blame MP3). This is what 95% of people consider good audio. Either Elon s reference could be wrong (unlikely but possible) and this had a bad effect on the HFAS or the people buying it have never actually heard good sound. The only thing I have heard in the negative about HFAS is that the doors are not properly dampened (understandable as this would add manufacturing complexity or cost) and the rear speakers are hard-equalized. That s a huge no-no in my book but there is an understandable reason. I ve never heard it and won t until about 2017 18 so I ll reserve comment until then. All I can do for now is look at specs and make educated guesses but that s a waste of time. Now if only I had the same passion for University as I did for sharing information with strangers on the internet. *I mean unless the system is so bad that it would literally be an insult to the musician or producer who created the song | 62 | 14 | 447 |
4fbhb7 | 21 | What resources did Elon use to figure out how to build the high fidelity sound system? I know it s made in-house and I ve heard great things about it. Does anyone know how the system was conceived? | You do realize Elon Musk does not single-handedly do everything at Tesla right? I doubt he had much of anything to do with the sound system other than telling someone else to make it sound good. | http: www.whathifi.com features how-tesla-developed-in-car-audio-system-model-s-saloon They didn t have the time to fine tune it as the Model X which looks to be much better. | 62 | 18 | 448 |
4fc7zo | 196 | Elon Musk s enterprises seem to be advancing ridiculously fast where others are stagnant. Why? In particular I m thinking about the following: Built a rocket that can achieve vertical takeoff and landing and (likely soon) will be entirely reusable. Built a car that is the safest car ever tested. Built a car that is entirely electric and yet has outstanding performance characteristics. Totally changed the way that solar is priced & licensed to customers. These all seem like goals that many companies were interested in achieving yet only his (with many times less resources) were able to address. Why? It feels wrong to chalk it up to SV mentality fail fast etc. but I can t think of another fundamental reason. | Both the aerospace and automotive industry are dominated by huge and slow moving conglomerates incentivized for marginal evolution as opposed to major revolution. ULA is a monopoly feeding off of government contracts. They have little incentive to advance technology(which requires risk taking and investment) when they can overcharge and milk the system year after year. The automakers do compete heavily with eachother however there is little incentive for a seachange in drivetrain technology over to electric. To develop compelling EVs that will actually sell they would need to invest(risk) billions in research and development to what end? Each EV that they end up selling will only cannibalize a gasoline vehicle that they otherwise would have sold(with minimal risk) eating into the segment that accounts for 99% of their sales today. So these industries are primed for disruption. But why hasn t there been before SpaceX and Tesla? That s because the barriers to entry for both these industries are some of the highest in the world. It just doesn t make sense to enter these fields if return on investment is your objective. What makes Elon Musk special is his willingness to invest hundreds of millions of his own money because if something is important enough you should try even if the probable outcome is failure. That makes little sense from a capitalistic perspective but makes perfect sense if your goal is to advance humanity. There are very few people who think from that point of view. There are even fewer who think from that point of view and have the business and engineering know-how to actually make it happen. | Greed. (others) | 125 | 4 | 449 |
4fc7zo | 196 | Elon Musk s enterprises seem to be advancing ridiculously fast where others are stagnant. Why? In particular I m thinking about the following: Built a rocket that can achieve vertical takeoff and landing and (likely soon) will be entirely reusable. Built a car that is the safest car ever tested. Built a car that is entirely electric and yet has outstanding performance characteristics. Totally changed the way that solar is priced & licensed to customers. These all seem like goals that many companies were interested in achieving yet only his (with many times less resources) were able to address. Why? It feels wrong to chalk it up to SV mentality fail fast etc. but I can t think of another fundamental reason. | Both the aerospace and automotive industry are dominated by huge and slow moving conglomerates incentivized for marginal evolution as opposed to major revolution. ULA is a monopoly feeding off of government contracts. They have little incentive to advance technology(which requires risk taking and investment) when they can overcharge and milk the system year after year. The automakers do compete heavily with eachother however there is little incentive for a seachange in drivetrain technology over to electric. To develop compelling EVs that will actually sell they would need to invest(risk) billions in research and development to what end? Each EV that they end up selling will only cannibalize a gasoline vehicle that they otherwise would have sold(with minimal risk) eating into the segment that accounts for 99% of their sales today. So these industries are primed for disruption. But why hasn t there been before SpaceX and Tesla? That s because the barriers to entry for both these industries are some of the highest in the world. It just doesn t make sense to enter these fields if return on investment is your objective. What makes Elon Musk special is his willingness to invest hundreds of millions of his own money because if something is important enough you should try even if the probable outcome is failure. That makes little sense from a capitalistic perspective but makes perfect sense if your goal is to advance humanity. There are very few people who think from that point of view. There are even fewer who think from that point of view and have the business and engineering know-how to actually make it happen. | Understanding both physics and economics likely contributes plus the previous experience of creating innovative products and services. | 125 | 4 | 450 |
4fc7zo | 196 | Elon Musk s enterprises seem to be advancing ridiculously fast where others are stagnant. Why? In particular I m thinking about the following: Built a rocket that can achieve vertical takeoff and landing and (likely soon) will be entirely reusable. Built a car that is the safest car ever tested. Built a car that is entirely electric and yet has outstanding performance characteristics. Totally changed the way that solar is priced & licensed to customers. These all seem like goals that many companies were interested in achieving yet only his (with many times less resources) were able to address. Why? It feels wrong to chalk it up to SV mentality fail fast etc. but I can t think of another fundamental reason. | Both the aerospace and automotive industry are dominated by huge and slow moving conglomerates incentivized for marginal evolution as opposed to major revolution. ULA is a monopoly feeding off of government contracts. They have little incentive to advance technology(which requires risk taking and investment) when they can overcharge and milk the system year after year. The automakers do compete heavily with eachother however there is little incentive for a seachange in drivetrain technology over to electric. To develop compelling EVs that will actually sell they would need to invest(risk) billions in research and development to what end? Each EV that they end up selling will only cannibalize a gasoline vehicle that they otherwise would have sold(with minimal risk) eating into the segment that accounts for 99% of their sales today. So these industries are primed for disruption. But why hasn t there been before SpaceX and Tesla? That s because the barriers to entry for both these industries are some of the highest in the world. It just doesn t make sense to enter these fields if return on investment is your objective. What makes Elon Musk special is his willingness to invest hundreds of millions of his own money because if something is important enough you should try even if the probable outcome is failure. That makes little sense from a capitalistic perspective but makes perfect sense if your goal is to advance humanity. There are very few people who think from that point of view. There are even fewer who think from that point of view and have the business and engineering know-how to actually make it happen. | It s amazing what can be accomplished when your company isn t beholden to greedy short-sighted opportunists. It is simply startling to read some of the hit pieces being put out by traditional car companies as well as the oil industry. They are thrashing around like animals caught in the la brea tar pits trying to discredit anything and everything that poses a threat to them. If only they spent half as much energy actually innovating... | 125 | 9 | 451 |
4fcmnd | 113 | Filled up my car for the first time since ordering the model 3... And thought about how it felt antiquated... and that I might do it 50 more times in my life... ever (I m 38). Thought about never needing to yank fossil fuels out of the earth process them ship them burn them... I cannot wait for my first Tesla :) | I had to get gas the day of the reservation and was complaining to my wife beside me that not only did I have to get gas I had to use my hands to drive the car to the gas station like a caveman. I think some of us are going to be spoiled a bit with this car. Although I do fill up a lot after reading your post I realized it will probably be < 100 times before I get the Model 3 so that s good to know! | I filled up our Toyota on Saturday for the first time in probably 6+ months (wife had filled it up a couple months ago we use it occasionally for taking the dogs to the park or going paintballing). It felt weird and I forgot the unique smell of gas. | 47 | 5 | 452 |
4fcmnd | 113 | Filled up my car for the first time since ordering the model 3... And thought about how it felt antiquated... and that I might do it 50 more times in my life... ever (I m 38). Thought about never needing to yank fossil fuels out of the earth process them ship them burn them... I cannot wait for my first Tesla :) | I had to get gas the day of the reservation and was complaining to my wife beside me that not only did I have to get gas I had to use my hands to drive the car to the gas station like a caveman. I think some of us are going to be spoiled a bit with this car. Although I do fill up a lot after reading your post I realized it will probably be < 100 times before I get the Model 3 so that s good to know! | I was thinking the same thing the other day. I said to someone it s going to be weird never needing to go to a gas station ever again then as soon as I said it I think it actually set in for the first time.... it IS going to be weird. | 47 | 8 | 453 |
4fcwdh | 104 | Indianapolis Supercharger down for nonpayment Just an fyi. The Indianapolis Supercharger is down for nonpayment. The electric company was there when I pulled up. I now have 1% charge left. | First supercharger trip in the car. The wife was not happy we were taking it instead of her car. I told her it would be an adventure. Turns out we were both right. | That seems strange. Must be some miscommunication of some sort that caused it. Hopefully they will fix it quickly. Update us when you know more. | 69 | 4 | 454 |
4fcwdh | 104 | Indianapolis Supercharger down for nonpayment Just an fyi. The Indianapolis Supercharger is down for nonpayment. The electric company was there when I pulled up. I now have 1% charge left. | First supercharger trip in the car. The wife was not happy we were taking it instead of her car. I told her it would be an adventure. Turns out we were both right. | What s the business model for these superchargers anyway? Is it some kind of cost profit sharing model between Tesla and a local property owner? | 69 | 9 | 455 |
4fcwdh | 104 | Indianapolis Supercharger down for nonpayment Just an fyi. The Indianapolis Supercharger is down for nonpayment. The electric company was there when I pulled up. I now have 1% charge left. | First supercharger trip in the car. The wife was not happy we were taking it instead of her car. I told her it would be an adventure. Turns out we were both right. | What do you mean by non-payment ? You mean that Tesla hasn t been paying its utility bill? | 69 | 14 | 456 |
4fdcru | 54 | Data on Model3tracker.info is approaching statistically significant. As of this moment 2 820 registrations on the site. This makes this a statistically significant sample size with a 99% confidence rating and a margin of error of + - 3%. Interesting takeaways from this: 1 - First and foremost just over 62% of these are US registrations. Extrapolated out (to the sort of admitted 400 000 reservations and we know this danger) we ve got 248 000 US reservations to date. The next closest country was Canada with nearly 10%. 2 - In the US the state holding the largest number of registrations on the site is (no surprise here) California with 441. Texas was next with a distant 130 and the only other state in triple digits. 3 - One person has cancelled their reservation reserved 3 31 and cancelled 4 1. It was a US reservation state unknown. 4 - The following are the most commonly chosen options for each option category in no particular order: * Upgraded battery * Supercharging (if needed to be added as an option) * AWD * Standard motors (no Performance Ludicrous) * Red Multi-coat is the preferred color (Followed by Deep Blue as a very close second) * Standard wheels * Subzero Package (VERY close here) * Premium Upgrades * Auto Pilot Convenience Features * No suspension upgrade * Standard sound system * All glass roof * No towing package EDIT - Clarified language around the popular options. EDIT #2 - Did some statisticing. Found that this is indeed a statistically valid sample size with a 99% confidence and margin of error of + - 3%. EDIT #3 - Made registration reservation language more consistent. | Seriously don t call this sort of information statistically significant. It is a non-random survey and should have quite a bit of bias towards enthusiastic reservation holders. You might get interesting numbers and might inform your thinking but believing that it is representative of Model 3 reservation holders is seriously wrong. Take the data for what it is... | I tried to register but i got Resource Limit is Reached error splash page. | 63 | 2 | 457 |
4fdcru | 54 | Data on Model3tracker.info is approaching statistically significant. As of this moment 2 820 registrations on the site. This makes this a statistically significant sample size with a 99% confidence rating and a margin of error of + - 3%. Interesting takeaways from this: 1 - First and foremost just over 62% of these are US registrations. Extrapolated out (to the sort of admitted 400 000 reservations and we know this danger) we ve got 248 000 US reservations to date. The next closest country was Canada with nearly 10%. 2 - In the US the state holding the largest number of registrations on the site is (no surprise here) California with 441. Texas was next with a distant 130 and the only other state in triple digits. 3 - One person has cancelled their reservation reserved 3 31 and cancelled 4 1. It was a US reservation state unknown. 4 - The following are the most commonly chosen options for each option category in no particular order: * Upgraded battery * Supercharging (if needed to be added as an option) * AWD * Standard motors (no Performance Ludicrous) * Red Multi-coat is the preferred color (Followed by Deep Blue as a very close second) * Standard wheels * Subzero Package (VERY close here) * Premium Upgrades * Auto Pilot Convenience Features * No suspension upgrade * Standard sound system * All glass roof * No towing package EDIT - Clarified language around the popular options. EDIT #2 - Did some statisticing. Found that this is indeed a statistically valid sample size with a 99% confidence and margin of error of + - 3%. EDIT #3 - Made registration reservation language more consistent. | Seriously don t call this sort of information statistically significant. It is a non-random survey and should have quite a bit of bias towards enthusiastic reservation holders. You might get interesting numbers and might inform your thinking but believing that it is representative of Model 3 reservation holders is seriously wrong. Take the data for what it is... | I was under the impression that the all glass roof was standard? Base is going to be solid metal w no glass and or sunroof? | 63 | 3 | 458 |
4fdcru | 54 | Data on Model3tracker.info is approaching statistically significant. As of this moment 2 820 registrations on the site. This makes this a statistically significant sample size with a 99% confidence rating and a margin of error of + - 3%. Interesting takeaways from this: 1 - First and foremost just over 62% of these are US registrations. Extrapolated out (to the sort of admitted 400 000 reservations and we know this danger) we ve got 248 000 US reservations to date. The next closest country was Canada with nearly 10%. 2 - In the US the state holding the largest number of registrations on the site is (no surprise here) California with 441. Texas was next with a distant 130 and the only other state in triple digits. 3 - One person has cancelled their reservation reserved 3 31 and cancelled 4 1. It was a US reservation state unknown. 4 - The following are the most commonly chosen options for each option category in no particular order: * Upgraded battery * Supercharging (if needed to be added as an option) * AWD * Standard motors (no Performance Ludicrous) * Red Multi-coat is the preferred color (Followed by Deep Blue as a very close second) * Standard wheels * Subzero Package (VERY close here) * Premium Upgrades * Auto Pilot Convenience Features * No suspension upgrade * Standard sound system * All glass roof * No towing package EDIT - Clarified language around the popular options. EDIT #2 - Did some statisticing. Found that this is indeed a statistically valid sample size with a 99% confidence and margin of error of + - 3%. EDIT #3 - Made registration reservation language more consistent. | Seriously don t call this sort of information statistically significant. It is a non-random survey and should have quite a bit of bias towards enthusiastic reservation holders. You might get interesting numbers and might inform your thinking but believing that it is representative of Model 3 reservation holders is seriously wrong. Take the data for what it is... | Also note that if you list preference by order of popularity (I was confused by the wording and assumed that s what you were doing) it goes: * Supercharging (90%) * Autopilot (86%) * Standard wheels (81%) * Larger battery (75%) * AWD (78%) * No towing package (67%) | 63 | 9 | 459 |
4fmhhl | 45 | Why aren t gas stations putting charging stations on their properties? Since gas stations make the bulk of their money selling snacks drinks etc. and virtually nothing on the sale of fuel why aren t they giving Tesla space for superchargers? Even generic chargers where the gas station could charge a reasonable price. While I understand most gas stations are oil franchises that would see this as a threat there are plenty of independent gas companies that would be happy to work with station owners. | Many private gas stations probably will consider adding fast DC charging to their properties. Though I suspect it s more likely that we will see fast DC charging spots rolled out by fast food chains particularly those that offer 24 hour service near major freeways highways. The cost of an electrified Fast DC spot is somewhere between $10k and $30k based on the number of spots electrified existing infrastructure and the charge rate. I suspect many of the existing 40kW 50kW spots will be too slow for most people where most would prefer 100kW+ which are currently only offered by Tesla Superchargers. This will permit more of the 3 hours driving 30-60 minutes charging paradigm. | Only freeway highway charging locations are going to be needed once the transition to electric vehicles becomes a significant share of what is on the road as the locals will all be charging at home. | 33 | 3 | 460 |
4fmhhl | 45 | Why aren t gas stations putting charging stations on their properties? Since gas stations make the bulk of their money selling snacks drinks etc. and virtually nothing on the sale of fuel why aren t they giving Tesla space for superchargers? Even generic chargers where the gas station could charge a reasonable price. While I understand most gas stations are oil franchises that would see this as a threat there are plenty of independent gas companies that would be happy to work with station owners. | Many private gas stations probably will consider adding fast DC charging to their properties. Though I suspect it s more likely that we will see fast DC charging spots rolled out by fast food chains particularly those that offer 24 hour service near major freeways highways. The cost of an electrified Fast DC spot is somewhere between $10k and $30k based on the number of spots electrified existing infrastructure and the charge rate. I suspect many of the existing 40kW 50kW spots will be too slow for most people where most would prefer 100kW+ which are currently only offered by Tesla Superchargers. This will permit more of the 3 hours driving 30-60 minutes charging paradigm. | This is something I ve been wondering. A few years ago I can understand it wouldn t have been good business for them but now it would be a great way for people without home charging to get some juice in their vehicles. | 33 | 5 | 461 |
4fncgf | 137 | Just got launched in a P90D and holy shit. Those videos of people s reactions to being launched are nothing compared to actually accelerating at more than 1 g FORWARD. It is just amazing. Redditor \\paul_d_carter offered me a ride in his P90D yesterday. The first thing I noticed when I got in the car: silence. Apart from the low whine of the battery heaters getting ready for insane mode there was no sound. We drove over to a small parking area maybe about 100-150 meters in length. Paul told me to keep my head pinned to the headrest for this. He activated launch mode and let his foot off the gas... Holy shit. The only other place I ve experienced this feeling has been on a rollercoaster falling DOWN. We went from 0-60 mph in 3 seconds! After that we drove around a bit more. We went around corners at speeds meant for straight roads and the S just ate them up. Hills? What is a hill? Overall this was a great experience and I urge anyone who can to do a test drive. I don t know how you can still be a skeptic after actually driving one of these. I myself will have to wait a few years to even be able to afford a model 3 let alone an S but I ve seen the future and it is fucking awesome. Edit: I think you let your foot off the brake to launch and not the gas (fun pedal) right? | As you said welcome to the future. I ve had several motorheads go from staunchly-opposed to electric vehicles to OMG-where-do-I-buy-one-of-these in that 2.9* seconds. *I have 19 rims so haven t managed ~2.8 | that was cool of him | 55 | 16 | 462 |
4frynn | 153 | Elon teases new intercity transport solution During todays talk in Oslo. No details but its not the hyperloop. It´s something to replace busses etc. Automomy is key he said. | He also said that this form of transport would take you directly to the door of where you wanted to go. That obviously sounds a lot like some sort of autonomous taxi. | Source? | 45 | 4 | 463 |
4g4jeh | 42 | Would you flip your Model 3? If you take delivery of your Model 3 and the market for private sales could net you a profit would you flip it? If so how much profit will it take? | Probably hard. The center of gravity is too low : | https: imgur.com a D1KDO | 173 | 25 | 464 |
4g4jeh | 42 | Would you flip your Model 3? If you take delivery of your Model 3 and the market for private sales could net you a profit would you flip it? If so how much profit will it take? | Probably hard. The center of gravity is too low : | As much profit required to get a Model S free. Let s dream on. | 173 | 33 | 465 |
4g8xpm | 79 | Just Another Took Delivery And This Is Awesome Post Ordered a P90DL (Black Pano Roof Auto Pilot SAS) and took delivery yesterday and my brain hurts. Tesla took me through a two hour session of all the features jamming as much info into my brain as humanly possible and then I spent 8 hours driving family and friends around the state until I got a headache. I put her away for the evening and went drinking to kill the brain cells that didn t store information on how to drive the car so that I would have more body resources available for the brain cells that do. It is sunny again today I have awoken recharged but my baby isn t so I m off to the supercharger with a framed Elon Musk painting and 5 dozen palm wax candles because I read lighting a circle of them around Model S charges the cells more efficiently. Anyone who is on the fence go for it. You won t regret it. | just wait till you take it to work and everyone asks for a ride. ive been doing lunch break ludicrous autopilot tours for the last two months. | Congrats! | 32 | 2 | 466 |
4gq47r | 63 | Model X owners with the white interior how s it holding up? Any Model X owners with the white interior hanging out in here? How s it holding up to the dirt? I know Elon mentioned it was the best interior (https: twitter.com elonmusk status 703650455407079424?ref_src=twsrc^tfw) and it performed better than other colors in stain tests (https: twitter.com elonmusk status 703692375055413248?ref_src=twsrc^tfw) but how are we doing in real life? After seeing a Model X in multicoat red with white interior in one of u bjornnyland s videos (https: www.youtube.com watch?v=1UUCXK6vbGE) I was convinced that was the combination I want to order on my Model 3. But if the dirt is winning the battle I don t want dingy seats an a car I plan on having for a long time to come. EDIT - Added the link to the video I referred to. EDIT 2 - Readability correction. | They ve stayed clean. Any smudges wipe right off. However there is already a tiny shred in the middle seat of the middle row like something got snagged in one of the perforated holes and ripped it. I vaguely recall that Tesla has already acknowledged that issue and is supposed to offer a fix. I ve had my car 6 weeks and it s a working car—six kids headed to and from soccer practice four days a week the other three days I m hauling my two kids around. | A friend had a Lincoln with white interior. Picked up blue jean dye very easily. Hell my tan interior is picking up blue jean dye and the dye from my belt. So unless they make it super candy coated to where it doesn t really feel like leather anymore I don t suspect it will hold up past six months. As well isn t there some issue with the white cracking due to all the treating they are doing for stain resistance? | 31 | 2 | 467 |
4gzhlf | 80 | I m a bit worried about the Model 3 coming... I have a 2015 Model S with about 7k on it. On the way to school today I was thinking about this car and the Model 3 on the horizon. They are both absolutely beautiful performant cars. But the entire drive the sunroof was rattling my seat was squeaking and the glovebox door was opening (it struggles to stay closed) and spilling items into my daughter s lap. My Tesla was feeling less like a car from the future and more like my grandmother s Buick. My sincere hope for the Model 3 coming in large volumes is that they are able to have access to a superior supplier network and build a more reliable cabin around an amazing drivetrain. The car wants to be great—it really does—but some of the joy is lost over worrying about what may go bad next. Here s the thing: I will say that Tesla more than makes up for the defects with an amazing customer service attitude but I fear service centers will really be struggling to keep up if the high-volume Model 3 has as many quirks. THAT is my worry. Would I buy a Tesla again? I hope so but I m really hoping Tesla is able to add quality durable parts to it s list of boxes that it checks. It s the one glaring weak point in an otherwise amazing ownership experience. SO close but not quite. It s like watching an amazing NBA team kill themselves by not making free throws. | Welcome to Tesla ownership. I m at 52k miles on a P85 and share a lot of the same sentiment. Bring up ALL of those items to your service center no matter how small and they will make it right. Even if it takes several attempts they will fix it. In the off chance that they can t fix it escalate to a regional district service manager. It s important that they get this data back to improve future Teslas and of course to keep you happy. | The squeak problem is kind of a sticky wicket because all cars squeak. My VW Jetta has had the same squeak since day 1. I often don t notice it because of the engine noise. Thousands of pounds traveling at 60+ miles per hour is going to stress joints and they re going to make noise. I m curious to see how Tesla addresses the root problem. | 33 | 4 | 468 |
4gzhlf | 80 | I m a bit worried about the Model 3 coming... I have a 2015 Model S with about 7k on it. On the way to school today I was thinking about this car and the Model 3 on the horizon. They are both absolutely beautiful performant cars. But the entire drive the sunroof was rattling my seat was squeaking and the glovebox door was opening (it struggles to stay closed) and spilling items into my daughter s lap. My Tesla was feeling less like a car from the future and more like my grandmother s Buick. My sincere hope for the Model 3 coming in large volumes is that they are able to have access to a superior supplier network and build a more reliable cabin around an amazing drivetrain. The car wants to be great—it really does—but some of the joy is lost over worrying about what may go bad next. Here s the thing: I will say that Tesla more than makes up for the defects with an amazing customer service attitude but I fear service centers will really be struggling to keep up if the high-volume Model 3 has as many quirks. THAT is my worry. Would I buy a Tesla again? I hope so but I m really hoping Tesla is able to add quality durable parts to it s list of boxes that it checks. It s the one glaring weak point in an otherwise amazing ownership experience. SO close but not quite. It s like watching an amazing NBA team kill themselves by not making free throws. | Welcome to Tesla ownership. I m at 52k miles on a P85 and share a lot of the same sentiment. Bring up ALL of those items to your service center no matter how small and they will make it right. Even if it takes several attempts they will fix it. In the off chance that they can t fix it escalate to a regional district service manager. It s important that they get this data back to improve future Teslas and of course to keep you happy. | Keep in mind that they got more preorders than they expected too and they haven t done the second phase of the launch yet. I view my reservation purely as a placeholder. The reality is that if either A: the tax incentive goes away or B: A competitor comes out with a comparable priced car with similar appeal features and price I ll move on it. My biggest concern is maintenance costs at the moment. I m more or less prepping my accounts to handle the payments but I still need to take things into account like the annual service costs and new tires and things like that. My current car takes $100 tires. I doubt the Tesla Model 3 will. | 33 | 7 | 469 |
4hknze | 389 | I just realized... Those of us who have been wondering about the Model 3 for the last few years will probably recognize this video screenshot that started circulating as far back as 2012: http: i.imgur.com mmwoFiv.png I totally forgot about it and it just clicked that despite what everybody said back then its the Model 3. Its just funny that we spent four years trying to imagine what the car would look like and it was right there the whole time lol. | Anyone have a side by side? This and the actual model 3 we know. | daaaamn | 44 | 5 | 470 |
4hknze | 389 | I just realized... Those of us who have been wondering about the Model 3 for the last few years will probably recognize this video screenshot that started circulating as far back as 2012: http: i.imgur.com mmwoFiv.png I totally forgot about it and it just clicked that despite what everybody said back then its the Model 3. Its just funny that we spent four years trying to imagine what the car would look like and it was right there the whole time lol. | Anyone have a side by side? This and the actual model 3 we know. | [my mind is blown](http: i.kinja-img.com gawker-media image upload s--qC9zTY1F-- 18yce82pi0rp9gif.gif) | 44 | 7 | 471 |
4hw3e6 | 84 | [Official Q1 2016 thread] Tesla s financial results (4pm ET - 8pm UTC) and conference call (5:30 ET 9:30 UTC) Earnings day! As usual please keep all posts related to the earnings and call in this thread. Thank you. Shareholders letter will be available at market close here: http: ir.teslamotors.com events.cfm Conference call will go live here: http: edge.media-server.com m p c67hnavs **Update:** [Transcript here](http: seekingalpha.com article 3971543-tesla-motors-tsla-elon-reeve-musk-q1-2016-results-earnings-call-transcript) A downloadable version of the audio should become available [here](http: earningscast.com search?utf8=%E2%9C%93& query=tsla& commit=). ______________ Tesla is set to release its first quarter 2016 financial results on Wednesday May 4 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at **2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time 9:30 UTC)**. Now here s what to expect on Wednesday: The company already confirmed having delivered 14 820 vehicles globally from January to March 2016 total deliveries were significantly down from the previous quarter (17 400 cars Q4 2015) but up year-over-year from the 10 045 vehicles delivered in Q1 2015. Tesla updates deliveries when releasing the financial results but the difference is generally less than 1%. Wall Street s revenue consensus is $1.588 billion for the quarter while Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts $1.605 billion in revenue. Here are the predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: http: i.imgur.com TcDjbCE.png As for earnings per share or rather loss per share the Wall Street consensus is a loss of $0.52 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is a loss of $0.54 per share. While the consensus was close to the actual revenue last quarter both Estimize and Wall Street completely missed on earnings. Now they are both making safer predictions with a loss. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: http: i.imgur.com j3SdKnk.png Alongside financial data shareholders are also expecting several updates especially regarding the difficult production ramp-up of the Model X and the recent unveiling of the Model 3. There s also an elephant in the room of Tesla s financial results. While the over 400 000 reservations the company received for the Model 3 increased its cash position by roughly $400 million the company is rumoured to additionally plan a capital raise to profit from the recent stock price increase to ~$240 (from ~$140). While it s only a rumor at this point and Tesla s management said it expects to soon be cash flow positive and to finance its investments without a capital raise the company reserves the right to raise capital if it feels appropriate. Again Tesla will release the results after market close on Wednesday May 4 2016 and management will hold a conference call with Q& A at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). You can join on the call through Tesla s website and on Electrek for a live blog of the results and call. ___________________________ Have fun! | Apple and Google don t manufacture anything Mic dropped by Elon. The reporter was clueless. | My plan of buy *just* before the results came out seems to have been ~~decent.~~ fail! We ll see how the call goes and what TSLA does tomorrow. They are pulling back the net cash flow positive by end of year goal in favor of a much faster model 3 ramp. Seems like a good plan but the extra $750M in spending is going to hurt. | 61 | 3 | 472 |
4hw3e6 | 84 | [Official Q1 2016 thread] Tesla s financial results (4pm ET - 8pm UTC) and conference call (5:30 ET 9:30 UTC) Earnings day! As usual please keep all posts related to the earnings and call in this thread. Thank you. Shareholders letter will be available at market close here: http: ir.teslamotors.com events.cfm Conference call will go live here: http: edge.media-server.com m p c67hnavs **Update:** [Transcript here](http: seekingalpha.com article 3971543-tesla-motors-tsla-elon-reeve-musk-q1-2016-results-earnings-call-transcript) A downloadable version of the audio should become available [here](http: earningscast.com search?utf8=%E2%9C%93& query=tsla& commit=). ______________ Tesla is set to release its first quarter 2016 financial results on Wednesday May 4 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at **2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time 9:30 UTC)**. Now here s what to expect on Wednesday: The company already confirmed having delivered 14 820 vehicles globally from January to March 2016 total deliveries were significantly down from the previous quarter (17 400 cars Q4 2015) but up year-over-year from the 10 045 vehicles delivered in Q1 2015. Tesla updates deliveries when releasing the financial results but the difference is generally less than 1%. Wall Street s revenue consensus is $1.588 billion for the quarter while Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts $1.605 billion in revenue. Here are the predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: http: i.imgur.com TcDjbCE.png As for earnings per share or rather loss per share the Wall Street consensus is a loss of $0.52 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is a loss of $0.54 per share. While the consensus was close to the actual revenue last quarter both Estimize and Wall Street completely missed on earnings. Now they are both making safer predictions with a loss. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: http: i.imgur.com j3SdKnk.png Alongside financial data shareholders are also expecting several updates especially regarding the difficult production ramp-up of the Model X and the recent unveiling of the Model 3. There s also an elephant in the room of Tesla s financial results. While the over 400 000 reservations the company received for the Model 3 increased its cash position by roughly $400 million the company is rumoured to additionally plan a capital raise to profit from the recent stock price increase to ~$240 (from ~$140). While it s only a rumor at this point and Tesla s management said it expects to soon be cash flow positive and to finance its investments without a capital raise the company reserves the right to raise capital if it feels appropriate. Again Tesla will release the results after market close on Wednesday May 4 2016 and management will hold a conference call with Q& A at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). You can join on the call through Tesla s website and on Electrek for a live blog of the results and call. ___________________________ Have fun! | Apple and Google don t manufacture anything Mic dropped by Elon. The reporter was clueless. | This new music - so classy. | 61 | 3 | 473 |
4hw3e6 | 84 | [Official Q1 2016 thread] Tesla s financial results (4pm ET - 8pm UTC) and conference call (5:30 ET 9:30 UTC) Earnings day! As usual please keep all posts related to the earnings and call in this thread. Thank you. Shareholders letter will be available at market close here: http: ir.teslamotors.com events.cfm Conference call will go live here: http: edge.media-server.com m p c67hnavs **Update:** [Transcript here](http: seekingalpha.com article 3971543-tesla-motors-tsla-elon-reeve-musk-q1-2016-results-earnings-call-transcript) A downloadable version of the audio should become available [here](http: earningscast.com search?utf8=%E2%9C%93& query=tsla& commit=). ______________ Tesla is set to release its first quarter 2016 financial results on Wednesday May 4 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at **2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time 9:30 UTC)**. Now here s what to expect on Wednesday: The company already confirmed having delivered 14 820 vehicles globally from January to March 2016 total deliveries were significantly down from the previous quarter (17 400 cars Q4 2015) but up year-over-year from the 10 045 vehicles delivered in Q1 2015. Tesla updates deliveries when releasing the financial results but the difference is generally less than 1%. Wall Street s revenue consensus is $1.588 billion for the quarter while Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts $1.605 billion in revenue. Here are the predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: http: i.imgur.com TcDjbCE.png As for earnings per share or rather loss per share the Wall Street consensus is a loss of $0.52 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is a loss of $0.54 per share. While the consensus was close to the actual revenue last quarter both Estimize and Wall Street completely missed on earnings. Now they are both making safer predictions with a loss. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: http: i.imgur.com j3SdKnk.png Alongside financial data shareholders are also expecting several updates especially regarding the difficult production ramp-up of the Model X and the recent unveiling of the Model 3. There s also an elephant in the room of Tesla s financial results. While the over 400 000 reservations the company received for the Model 3 increased its cash position by roughly $400 million the company is rumoured to additionally plan a capital raise to profit from the recent stock price increase to ~$240 (from ~$140). While it s only a rumor at this point and Tesla s management said it expects to soon be cash flow positive and to finance its investments without a capital raise the company reserves the right to raise capital if it feels appropriate. Again Tesla will release the results after market close on Wednesday May 4 2016 and management will hold a conference call with Q& A at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). You can join on the call through Tesla s website and on Electrek for a live blog of the results and call. ___________________________ Have fun! | Apple and Google don t manufacture anything Mic dropped by Elon. The reporter was clueless. | Tesla s elevator music always makes me smile :) | 61 | 3 | 474 |
4i7mci | 42 | What does the High Power Wall Charger actually . . . do? I like to think that I m not stupid but the more and more I think about it I realize I have no idea what the HPWC does. The side of the box lists the input and output and they re exactly the same. There are dip switches inside where you can set the size of your breaker but isn t that something you could do with the car? How is plugging into an outlet with a large breaker any different than plugging into this thing? There are few bits of fanciness (daisy chaining multiple chargers) but other than that what does it do? | The HPWC like all EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment) is essentially a smart switch or relay. When you plug it it the EVSE and the car communicate about how much amperage is available from the mains how much the car can take etc etc. They negotiate a draw level test all of the lines to make sure there aren t any shorts or other malfunctions in the cable or equipment etc. Once all of those tests pass the relays click and power is delivered from the input to the vehicle. The vehicle charger sets the charging speed based on the negotiated amperage. While the car is charging the EVSE and the car are constantly monitoring the flow of power for any signs of problems. If any come up (short in the line etc.) either side can terminate the charging. In the end it s just a smart switch that increases the safety level of the charging. It s a good idea given that you can charge your car in the rain or driving snow without any safety worries. Note that DC quick charging is similar but there the DC current is flowed directly into the batteries and the charger lives outside the car rather than inside. | The UMC allows 40A max. If you want to charge anywhere above that at home up to 80A you ll have to use the HPWC. | 45 | 2 | 475 |
4i7mci | 42 | What does the High Power Wall Charger actually . . . do? I like to think that I m not stupid but the more and more I think about it I realize I have no idea what the HPWC does. The side of the box lists the input and output and they re exactly the same. There are dip switches inside where you can set the size of your breaker but isn t that something you could do with the car? How is plugging into an outlet with a large breaker any different than plugging into this thing? There are few bits of fanciness (daisy chaining multiple chargers) but other than that what does it do? | The HPWC like all EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment) is essentially a smart switch or relay. When you plug it it the EVSE and the car communicate about how much amperage is available from the mains how much the car can take etc etc. They negotiate a draw level test all of the lines to make sure there aren t any shorts or other malfunctions in the cable or equipment etc. Once all of those tests pass the relays click and power is delivered from the input to the vehicle. The vehicle charger sets the charging speed based on the negotiated amperage. While the car is charging the EVSE and the car are constantly monitoring the flow of power for any signs of problems. If any come up (short in the line etc.) either side can terminate the charging. In the end it s just a smart switch that increases the safety level of the charging. It s a good idea given that you can charge your car in the rain or driving snow without any safety worries. Note that DC quick charging is similar but there the DC current is flowed directly into the batteries and the charger lives outside the car rather than inside. | > There are dip switches inside where you can set the size of your breaker but isn t that something you could do with the car? You can but the HPWC prevents you from setting it above the continuous rating of the breaker. Otherwise the car would let you set it to an unsafe current (bad). The mobile charger does the same thing. It detects which plug adapter is connected and only allows the car to draw as much current as that plug can support. The new HPWC also lets you have up to four EVs chargers on the same circuit. They communicate with each other and prevent the total current from exceeding the circuit s capacity. It also communicates with the car detecting short circuits or leaking current and preventing charging if an unsafe condition is detected. | 45 | 6 | 476 |
4i9a8z | 84 | Could this sub be a less zealot about Tesla ? Ok I perfectly understand this is a TESLA sub with TESLA fans and TESLA shareholders. However it s becoming a bit difficult to find actual information in the midst of all the zealotry and circlejerk. Not all is pink and smooth in the Tesla world and it would be pretty good to know a bit more about what is not working since that should be the place for that too. I m a very happy e-Golf owner who ordered a model 3. Well 2 of them because they screwed up. And got billed 4 times (yeah 6000 dollars for ONE reservation I made in the shop instead of 1500...). I don t really care about brand really only about what is good not good I decided on a Tesla for my next car (Model 3 as I said but maybe model S or X) but it s becoming super hard to find info here as the negative posts are downvoted (or not upvoted much) and the positive ones are upvoted a lot and the dissing on other brands is at best in bad faith when it s not actually dishonest. EDIT 1: I shouldn t have put the thing about the over-billing. It was more of a since we re on that topic... . The issue was partially fixed after 2 weeks and while I still have an extra reservation I didn t make it s not a huge deal. What I meant was I would like to hear more about actual defects or problem on the cars so I can choose wisely and my over-billing thing is just an annoyance and definitely not something that happened to many people I guess. EDIT 2 : Thanks a lot about the explanations on what is short-selling and how that works ! EDIT3 : Thank you for the great conversation. It s really interesting. Outside the Reddit influence (the way Reddit works) I can see Tesla has their own issues with trolls opposite interests ( Tesla shorts anti-EV ) which puts pressure on the sub and cause this zealotry . FINAL EDIT : As it was mentioned maybe I shouldn t have used the term circlejerking as it comes of pretty impolite rude. English isn t my first language it s sometimes hard to see that a term widely used (on Reddit) can still be hurtful. I hope the message behind came accross. | I think a lot of us are legitimately and fairly critical of Tesla s many shortcomings including but not limited to: 1. Reliability issues 2. Inability to meet deadlines (overpromise underdeliver) 3. Communications issues at all levels 4. Questionable marketing strategies like the horsepower scandal 5. Poorly functioning beta software like the navigation system In addition to u stevejust s comments which hit the nail on the head calling for evidence a quality complaint is one that does so with the intent of seeking improvement rather than pointing out a flaw and just bitching about it. I.e. What can be done about it? What should be done about it? What have YOU done about it? I also think that like any community you will find those have a history of quality posts and comments in this sub will be taken more seriously than those who don t. Maybe this is what circlejerking means but I m sorry if for example u dieabetic posts a bitchy rant about his drive unit failing I m going to be a heck of a lot more interested and willing to dig deeper into his experience than if the same is done by u tesla_blows_chunks (Redditor for 1 days). | Argh error in my title it was supposed to be: Could this sub be a bit less zealot about Tesla ? | 48 | 2 | 477 |
4i9a8z | 84 | Could this sub be a less zealot about Tesla ? Ok I perfectly understand this is a TESLA sub with TESLA fans and TESLA shareholders. However it s becoming a bit difficult to find actual information in the midst of all the zealotry and circlejerk. Not all is pink and smooth in the Tesla world and it would be pretty good to know a bit more about what is not working since that should be the place for that too. I m a very happy e-Golf owner who ordered a model 3. Well 2 of them because they screwed up. And got billed 4 times (yeah 6000 dollars for ONE reservation I made in the shop instead of 1500...). I don t really care about brand really only about what is good not good I decided on a Tesla for my next car (Model 3 as I said but maybe model S or X) but it s becoming super hard to find info here as the negative posts are downvoted (or not upvoted much) and the positive ones are upvoted a lot and the dissing on other brands is at best in bad faith when it s not actually dishonest. EDIT 1: I shouldn t have put the thing about the over-billing. It was more of a since we re on that topic... . The issue was partially fixed after 2 weeks and while I still have an extra reservation I didn t make it s not a huge deal. What I meant was I would like to hear more about actual defects or problem on the cars so I can choose wisely and my over-billing thing is just an annoyance and definitely not something that happened to many people I guess. EDIT 2 : Thanks a lot about the explanations on what is short-selling and how that works ! EDIT3 : Thank you for the great conversation. It s really interesting. Outside the Reddit influence (the way Reddit works) I can see Tesla has their own issues with trolls opposite interests ( Tesla shorts anti-EV ) which puts pressure on the sub and cause this zealotry . FINAL EDIT : As it was mentioned maybe I shouldn t have used the term circlejerking as it comes of pretty impolite rude. English isn t my first language it s sometimes hard to see that a term widely used (on Reddit) can still be hurtful. I hope the message behind came accross. | I think a lot of us are legitimately and fairly critical of Tesla s many shortcomings including but not limited to: 1. Reliability issues 2. Inability to meet deadlines (overpromise underdeliver) 3. Communications issues at all levels 4. Questionable marketing strategies like the horsepower scandal 5. Poorly functioning beta software like the navigation system In addition to u stevejust s comments which hit the nail on the head calling for evidence a quality complaint is one that does so with the intent of seeking improvement rather than pointing out a flaw and just bitching about it. I.e. What can be done about it? What should be done about it? What have YOU done about it? I also think that like any community you will find those have a history of quality posts and comments in this sub will be taken more seriously than those who don t. Maybe this is what circlejerking means but I m sorry if for example u dieabetic posts a bitchy rant about his drive unit failing I m going to be a heck of a lot more interested and willing to dig deeper into his experience than if the same is done by u tesla_blows_chunks (Redditor for 1 days). | when was any subreddit ever not a circlejerk? | 48 | 2 | 478 |
4i9a8z | 84 | Could this sub be a less zealot about Tesla ? Ok I perfectly understand this is a TESLA sub with TESLA fans and TESLA shareholders. However it s becoming a bit difficult to find actual information in the midst of all the zealotry and circlejerk. Not all is pink and smooth in the Tesla world and it would be pretty good to know a bit more about what is not working since that should be the place for that too. I m a very happy e-Golf owner who ordered a model 3. Well 2 of them because they screwed up. And got billed 4 times (yeah 6000 dollars for ONE reservation I made in the shop instead of 1500...). I don t really care about brand really only about what is good not good I decided on a Tesla for my next car (Model 3 as I said but maybe model S or X) but it s becoming super hard to find info here as the negative posts are downvoted (or not upvoted much) and the positive ones are upvoted a lot and the dissing on other brands is at best in bad faith when it s not actually dishonest. EDIT 1: I shouldn t have put the thing about the over-billing. It was more of a since we re on that topic... . The issue was partially fixed after 2 weeks and while I still have an extra reservation I didn t make it s not a huge deal. What I meant was I would like to hear more about actual defects or problem on the cars so I can choose wisely and my over-billing thing is just an annoyance and definitely not something that happened to many people I guess. EDIT 2 : Thanks a lot about the explanations on what is short-selling and how that works ! EDIT3 : Thank you for the great conversation. It s really interesting. Outside the Reddit influence (the way Reddit works) I can see Tesla has their own issues with trolls opposite interests ( Tesla shorts anti-EV ) which puts pressure on the sub and cause this zealotry . FINAL EDIT : As it was mentioned maybe I shouldn t have used the term circlejerking as it comes of pretty impolite rude. English isn t my first language it s sometimes hard to see that a term widely used (on Reddit) can still be hurtful. I hope the message behind came accross. | The answer is no. But in all seriousness *you can find* critical information here. *And* this sub is all too quick to downvote negative posts. In other words you ll find that there are some negative posts that have survived and thrived where they are well articulated - and that are not simple vague conclusory posts. For example take your post. You say that Tesla screwed up and charged you for four Model ≡s and gave you two reservations. But you provided not one single shred of explanation for how Tesla screwed up. I m looking at this thinking well that sucks. I wonder what the story is behind your claim? Would you like to post a redacted credit card statement showing the four charges for example? (Which would probably not be met with downvotes but genuine curiosity about what happened and how it was resolved). I m not willing to say you re a liar. We know that approximately 800 people wound up with reservations for more than two Model ≡s. Maybe some of that was due to a glitch. But out of 400 000 people you re the first person to claim you were billed four times for your order. Do you see how that might be highly suspicious especially when you are a happy e-Golf owner and many of us here in r Teslamotors believe that VW should get the corporate death penalty and cease to exist after it was shown to be an intentional emissions test cheater? I m sure the eGolf is a fine car. And I don t know what country you re in but I wonder what the price difference is between the eGolf and the Model ≡. And I also wonder how much you think your eGolf will be worth in a couple years when the Model ≡ arrives on the road. And thinking through the answers to those questions is a large part of where the Tesla snobbery comes from. The other issue r teslamotors faces is that there are so many Tesla haters in this world (TSLA shorts) who are literally financially motivated to hate Tesla. So often times the knee-jerk reaction to negative posts is that it is automatically bullshit for this reason. So... my recommendation is to post proof you were charged four times. Tell us what Tesla did to remedy the situation. And if they messed up you might not get downvoted. But based on what you ve said so far I don t have much hope for this not getting downvoted to hell. | Argh error in my title it was supposed to be: Could this sub be a bit less zealot about Tesla ? | 47 | 2 | 479 |
4i9ua2 | 73 | Smart Air Suspension - What are the cons? Do any of you prefer the standard suspension? Another pre-purchase question for the community. Wife loved the smart air suspension on our test drive but I m not convinced it s a requirement. In my mind it s one more thing that may go wrong down the road but I do understand it having a benefit. Owners what are your thoughts on the standard suspension vs the smart air. Worth it? Thanks for all your help and opinions. | Ex-employee. Driven a ton of different configurations. Skip it. Air suspensions are notorious for breaking regardless of the automaker. The only time you need this is if sedans tend to bottom out on your driveway. Otherwise you ll never notice the difference. | Repairs are the biggest downside. I recall from an Audi I use to own the airbags need to be repaired replaced every 60-80k miles at a pretty high cost. I haven t seen any reports of a tesla needing a replacement yet but I m sure it won t be cheap. | 71 | 9 | 480 |
4i9ua2 | 73 | Smart Air Suspension - What are the cons? Do any of you prefer the standard suspension? Another pre-purchase question for the community. Wife loved the smart air suspension on our test drive but I m not convinced it s a requirement. In my mind it s one more thing that may go wrong down the road but I do understand it having a benefit. Owners what are your thoughts on the standard suspension vs the smart air. Worth it? Thanks for all your help and opinions. | Ex-employee. Driven a ton of different configurations. Skip it. Air suspensions are notorious for breaking regardless of the automaker. The only time you need this is if sedans tend to bottom out on your driveway. Otherwise you ll never notice the difference. | It has a coolness factor but otherwise to me the cost outweighs the utility. The improvement in highway mileage with the lowered suspension has proven to be minimal. And the difference from low to very high is only 1.7 inches. (This is for the S. Model X suspension difference is 2.6 inches) Other people swear by it and say without it they could not get into their driveways without bottoming out or drive in their parking lots without bottoming out on speed bumps. Personally I haven t met a speedbump that has touched the bottom of my car on the normal suspension height setting. | 71 | 24 | 481 |
4i9ua2 | 73 | Smart Air Suspension - What are the cons? Do any of you prefer the standard suspension? Another pre-purchase question for the community. Wife loved the smart air suspension on our test drive but I m not convinced it s a requirement. In my mind it s one more thing that may go wrong down the road but I do understand it having a benefit. Owners what are your thoughts on the standard suspension vs the smart air. Worth it? Thanks for all your help and opinions. | Ex-employee. Driven a ton of different configurations. Skip it. Air suspensions are notorious for breaking regardless of the automaker. The only time you need this is if sedans tend to bottom out on your driveway. Otherwise you ll never notice the difference. | My 2013 Model S does not have smart air suspension and I don t miss it at all 58 000 miles later. I have driven loaners with smart air and didn t really impress me. | 71 | 27 | 482 |
4j6l31 | 26 | 14 15 and 16 Model S owners: how is your car running today? (Part II of original poster s 13 14 question) It was previously posted about the 2012 and 2013 Model S. I was wondering if Elon s statement that the problems have been worked out in newer models. Anyone care to share their reliability? | 2014 85 with 30k - I love my car to death but have had many issues with it mostly small that I won t bother listing but a couple of big ones including AC failure (requiring a tow from Supercharger) leaking coolant during first 5k pano roof creaking not closing during first 5k and badly leaking water more recently drive unit replaced at 20k due to noise air suspension required re-turning for calibration after drive unit was replaced etc). Mostly treated exceptionally well by NY and FL Service Centers (a few communication issues lately but I think they are just overwhelmed right now). Again I love the car and heavily evangelize it despite. As long as they stay responsive and keep providing loaners (its always fun to try out loaners with Autopilot or performance options) I will remain happy and excited about Tesla and will continue to spread the good word every day. I LOVE the car and am willing to put up with the inconveniences but I don t think anyone should lie about or hide the issues they ve experienced. I know some fans tend to get upset when you share the negative experiences - frankly I would expect these types of issues from a brand new manufacturer and if you ve owned a BMW I m sure you ve had your share of service visits. EDIT: One more issue to add. Today my car is getting a loaner battery so they can send my battery out to CA for repair which will take 8-10 weeks. Nothing was wrong with it that I noticed except a Call Tesla Service message that wouldn t go away. They tried to figure out what the message meant remotely for a week with a call into HQ. When I didn t hear back from them for an entire week I finally called and insisted we schedule an appointment to help expedite the resolution (before my 900 mile trip to NY). Ironically they couldn t figure out the cause of the message which that they themselves (well HQ) pushed out. :( Anyway after I brought it in they saw the message and are swapping the battery as we speak. Unfortunately they had no loaner vehicles so I m stuck with a gas guzzling Buick from Enterprise with no washer fluid and a check engine oil light. I d rather they give me a Ford Echo or something economical but oh well I guess that s Enterprise s fault not Teslas. Anyway I still love my car and can t wait to get it back. And at least I can use their battery all summer as mine is repaired. As a fan and stock holder I do worry about the cost of these battery repairs - shipping the battery from FL to CA back to NY can t be cheap! I love that Tesla is being pro-active with my battery but a little bit annoyed by the way it was handled. Why not an email or phone call or something instead of wasting a week trying to figure out what the service message was for? | I got my car in February 2015. The sunroof jammed a couple of days after delivery and had to have a bunch of stuff replaced by the service center. Aside from that no real trouble. I have about 14 000 miles on it so far. | 31 | 2 | 483 |
4j6l31 | 26 | 14 15 and 16 Model S owners: how is your car running today? (Part II of original poster s 13 14 question) It was previously posted about the 2012 and 2013 Model S. I was wondering if Elon s statement that the problems have been worked out in newer models. Anyone care to share their reliability? | 2014 85 with 30k - I love my car to death but have had many issues with it mostly small that I won t bother listing but a couple of big ones including AC failure (requiring a tow from Supercharger) leaking coolant during first 5k pano roof creaking not closing during first 5k and badly leaking water more recently drive unit replaced at 20k due to noise air suspension required re-turning for calibration after drive unit was replaced etc). Mostly treated exceptionally well by NY and FL Service Centers (a few communication issues lately but I think they are just overwhelmed right now). Again I love the car and heavily evangelize it despite. As long as they stay responsive and keep providing loaners (its always fun to try out loaners with Autopilot or performance options) I will remain happy and excited about Tesla and will continue to spread the good word every day. I LOVE the car and am willing to put up with the inconveniences but I don t think anyone should lie about or hide the issues they ve experienced. I know some fans tend to get upset when you share the negative experiences - frankly I would expect these types of issues from a brand new manufacturer and if you ve owned a BMW I m sure you ve had your share of service visits. EDIT: One more issue to add. Today my car is getting a loaner battery so they can send my battery out to CA for repair which will take 8-10 weeks. Nothing was wrong with it that I noticed except a Call Tesla Service message that wouldn t go away. They tried to figure out what the message meant remotely for a week with a call into HQ. When I didn t hear back from them for an entire week I finally called and insisted we schedule an appointment to help expedite the resolution (before my 900 mile trip to NY). Ironically they couldn t figure out the cause of the message which that they themselves (well HQ) pushed out. :( Anyway after I brought it in they saw the message and are swapping the battery as we speak. Unfortunately they had no loaner vehicles so I m stuck with a gas guzzling Buick from Enterprise with no washer fluid and a check engine oil light. I d rather they give me a Ford Echo or something economical but oh well I guess that s Enterprise s fault not Teslas. Anyway I still love my car and can t wait to get it back. And at least I can use their battery all summer as mine is repaired. As a fan and stock holder I do worry about the cost of these battery repairs - shipping the battery from FL to CA back to NY can t be cheap! I love that Tesla is being pro-active with my battery but a little bit annoyed by the way it was handled. Why not an email or phone call or something instead of wasting a week trying to figure out what the service message was for? | April 2015 85D 30k miles. Running like a champ. Only 3% degradation so far. Issues: sticky substances on drivers side window fixed by SC. Had a piece of plastic become dislodged and stuck in air conditioner fan (think card in bicycle wheel sound very faint) - fixed by SC. 110% happy. | 31 | 2 | 484 |
4j6l31 | 26 | 14 15 and 16 Model S owners: how is your car running today? (Part II of original poster s 13 14 question) It was previously posted about the 2012 and 2013 Model S. I was wondering if Elon s statement that the problems have been worked out in newer models. Anyone care to share their reliability? | 2014 85 with 30k - I love my car to death but have had many issues with it mostly small that I won t bother listing but a couple of big ones including AC failure (requiring a tow from Supercharger) leaking coolant during first 5k pano roof creaking not closing during first 5k and badly leaking water more recently drive unit replaced at 20k due to noise air suspension required re-turning for calibration after drive unit was replaced etc). Mostly treated exceptionally well by NY and FL Service Centers (a few communication issues lately but I think they are just overwhelmed right now). Again I love the car and heavily evangelize it despite. As long as they stay responsive and keep providing loaners (its always fun to try out loaners with Autopilot or performance options) I will remain happy and excited about Tesla and will continue to spread the good word every day. I LOVE the car and am willing to put up with the inconveniences but I don t think anyone should lie about or hide the issues they ve experienced. I know some fans tend to get upset when you share the negative experiences - frankly I would expect these types of issues from a brand new manufacturer and if you ve owned a BMW I m sure you ve had your share of service visits. EDIT: One more issue to add. Today my car is getting a loaner battery so they can send my battery out to CA for repair which will take 8-10 weeks. Nothing was wrong with it that I noticed except a Call Tesla Service message that wouldn t go away. They tried to figure out what the message meant remotely for a week with a call into HQ. When I didn t hear back from them for an entire week I finally called and insisted we schedule an appointment to help expedite the resolution (before my 900 mile trip to NY). Ironically they couldn t figure out the cause of the message which that they themselves (well HQ) pushed out. :( Anyway after I brought it in they saw the message and are swapping the battery as we speak. Unfortunately they had no loaner vehicles so I m stuck with a gas guzzling Buick from Enterprise with no washer fluid and a check engine oil light. I d rather they give me a Ford Echo or something economical but oh well I guess that s Enterprise s fault not Teslas. Anyway I still love my car and can t wait to get it back. And at least I can use their battery all summer as mine is repaired. As a fan and stock holder I do worry about the cost of these battery repairs - shipping the battery from FL to CA back to NY can t be cheap! I love that Tesla is being pro-active with my battery but a little bit annoyed by the way it was handled. Why not an email or phone call or something instead of wasting a week trying to figure out what the service message was for? | Outside of an issue that I recently had with the MCU Center Display dying on me (it was my fault due to a corrupted FW download) I ve had zero issues with my 2014 S85. | 31 | 3 | 485 |
4jmxlr | 79 | Harris Ranch CA Supercharger ICE-hole Experience My wife and I stopped at Harris Ranch to charge (and buy ribeyes!) on Saturday on the way back from Southern CA. I got out and plugged us in and got back in and less than a minute later a large diesel Z71 pickup backs into the spot next to us. All the way in. In fact so far in that they knocked down the Tesla Charging Only sign at the back of the SC space...clearly on purpose. My wife got out to tell them they d hit the sign and they started giving her a hard time about them paying for our free hookup - I guess they ve never heard about the billions in subsidies the oil industry gets. They were men and women in their late 50s early 60s but were behaving like elementary school children and after taking a photo they went across the street to fill their piece of shit with diesel. I got video of them leaving (including their license plate #) which we showed to a security guard but it was sad how rude stupid and uninformed they were. In a semi-related note in the conversation with the security guard (who was a really nice guy) we found out that the site also has both hydrogen and CNG. | That s the kind of situation where I would be so dumbfounded by the stupidity of what they said that I wouldn t be able to formulate a good response until they were long gone. I hate people like that so much. | The world we live in. | 59 | 12 | 486 |
4jmxlr | 79 | Harris Ranch CA Supercharger ICE-hole Experience My wife and I stopped at Harris Ranch to charge (and buy ribeyes!) on Saturday on the way back from Southern CA. I got out and plugged us in and got back in and less than a minute later a large diesel Z71 pickup backs into the spot next to us. All the way in. In fact so far in that they knocked down the Tesla Charging Only sign at the back of the SC space...clearly on purpose. My wife got out to tell them they d hit the sign and they started giving her a hard time about them paying for our free hookup - I guess they ve never heard about the billions in subsidies the oil industry gets. They were men and women in their late 50s early 60s but were behaving like elementary school children and after taking a photo they went across the street to fill their piece of shit with diesel. I got video of them leaving (including their license plate #) which we showed to a security guard but it was sad how rude stupid and uninformed they were. In a semi-related note in the conversation with the security guard (who was a really nice guy) we found out that the site also has both hydrogen and CNG. | That s the kind of situation where I would be so dumbfounded by the stupidity of what they said that I wouldn t be able to formulate a good response until they were long gone. I hate people like that so much. | Can t fix stupid. | 59 | 23 | 487 |
4jocel | 85 | Picked up my Model X today... wish I could say everything went well. So today was the day for me to pick up my P90 Model X! Yay! I live about 150 miles from Denver and my youngest daughter had a doctor s appointment today so I decided to take the bus (3+ hours!) to Denver and then Ubered to the Tesla service center from the bus station. Here is where the problems of the day started someone on the bus hot boxed the bathroom which my 3 year old daughter had to use immediately after and then someone stole my two week old custom made $160 hat. Nothing to do with Tesla but definitely got me started on the wrong foot! Once I got to the service center I had to wait about a half hour in the waiting room because my appointment wasn t until 1 PM. As soon as we got to [see the car](http: i.imgur.com CwnK0wf.jpg) my daughter [was thrilled](http: i.imgur.com oZGvwmN.jpg)! Then delivery specialist hit me with some news. The sensor on my driver s side falcon wing door doesn t work they can t figure out why and hopefully it will just fix itself?! Thanks for telling me this I don t know before I took a three hour bus ride and a $25 Uber to the service center? Now the door only opens a crack requiring me to squeeze my arm through the opening and hold the open lever all until it overrides the blocked sensor and goes all the way up. This means I can t use the child safety locks important with young kids. Oh and they didn t charge the car to 100% like I was promised they would both over the phone and in [writing by email](http: i.imgur.com SOjGFfD.png). Anyways I had no other way of getting home so I took the car. Due to the car only being at 50% charge I had to stop at the [Silverthorne Supercharger](http: i.imgur.com 095VHrh.jpg). After charging to where I was comfortable I wouldn t get below 20% I went on my way. Of course not before smacking my head on the door with the broken sensor trying to put things in the car! While I was getting close to my friend s house (making a dinner stop) I decided to look at the GPS to see if it was any different (better) than that on the Model S and I see [this](http: i.imgur.com nR51JiW.jpg). The problem? [This](http: i.imgur.com PjH3Z98.png) is what my (accurate) cell phone GPS shows! The Model X GPS had me in an area with no roads other than extreme Jeep trails! To round out the day I get a call from the service center saying they have a part that they think will fix the sensor issue that will take two hours to install and test. Remember I live 150 miles away! We scheduled an appointment for Thursday and will hopefully be able to address the issues. One other negative I noticed is that the huge wiper blades don t even cover half of the even huger windshield and the leftover rain drops were annoying to look at (no big deal) and will be a pain to clean after every rain storm (a tiny bit bigger deal but still worth it). Sigh. On the bright side Autopilot is fun. Not ready for sleeping at the wheel or actually being super useful on mountain roads but fun and actually had me paying more attention than normal because I don t trust it! | How did a car with such an obvious flaw make it out of the factory? And if it was fine at the factory but was fragile enough to break on a delivery truck what does that say about the falcon door s long term viability? | As someone who is buying a 2013 CPO this kind of post does not inspire confidence. Especially since my dealer has never sold a CPO before. I ll have a 15 hour drive home too. I ll definitely be going over ever inch of the car before I leave. I plan to rent a car and have Tesla send a uber to pick me up from rental drop off location. | 57 | 7 | 488 |
4jocel | 85 | Picked up my Model X today... wish I could say everything went well. So today was the day for me to pick up my P90 Model X! Yay! I live about 150 miles from Denver and my youngest daughter had a doctor s appointment today so I decided to take the bus (3+ hours!) to Denver and then Ubered to the Tesla service center from the bus station. Here is where the problems of the day started someone on the bus hot boxed the bathroom which my 3 year old daughter had to use immediately after and then someone stole my two week old custom made $160 hat. Nothing to do with Tesla but definitely got me started on the wrong foot! Once I got to the service center I had to wait about a half hour in the waiting room because my appointment wasn t until 1 PM. As soon as we got to [see the car](http: i.imgur.com CwnK0wf.jpg) my daughter [was thrilled](http: i.imgur.com oZGvwmN.jpg)! Then delivery specialist hit me with some news. The sensor on my driver s side falcon wing door doesn t work they can t figure out why and hopefully it will just fix itself?! Thanks for telling me this I don t know before I took a three hour bus ride and a $25 Uber to the service center? Now the door only opens a crack requiring me to squeeze my arm through the opening and hold the open lever all until it overrides the blocked sensor and goes all the way up. This means I can t use the child safety locks important with young kids. Oh and they didn t charge the car to 100% like I was promised they would both over the phone and in [writing by email](http: i.imgur.com SOjGFfD.png). Anyways I had no other way of getting home so I took the car. Due to the car only being at 50% charge I had to stop at the [Silverthorne Supercharger](http: i.imgur.com 095VHrh.jpg). After charging to where I was comfortable I wouldn t get below 20% I went on my way. Of course not before smacking my head on the door with the broken sensor trying to put things in the car! While I was getting close to my friend s house (making a dinner stop) I decided to look at the GPS to see if it was any different (better) than that on the Model S and I see [this](http: i.imgur.com nR51JiW.jpg). The problem? [This](http: i.imgur.com PjH3Z98.png) is what my (accurate) cell phone GPS shows! The Model X GPS had me in an area with no roads other than extreme Jeep trails! To round out the day I get a call from the service center saying they have a part that they think will fix the sensor issue that will take two hours to install and test. Remember I live 150 miles away! We scheduled an appointment for Thursday and will hopefully be able to address the issues. One other negative I noticed is that the huge wiper blades don t even cover half of the even huger windshield and the leftover rain drops were annoying to look at (no big deal) and will be a pain to clean after every rain storm (a tiny bit bigger deal but still worth it). Sigh. On the bright side Autopilot is fun. Not ready for sleeping at the wheel or actually being super useful on mountain roads but fun and actually had me paying more attention than normal because I don t trust it! | How did a car with such an obvious flaw make it out of the factory? And if it was fine at the factory but was fragile enough to break on a delivery truck what does that say about the falcon door s long term viability? | I have to assume the folks at the stores are peeved getting broken X s off the delivery truck. > Thanks for telling me this I don t know before I took a three hour bus ride and a $25 Uber to the service center? You re assuming they knew of the issue before you took the three hour bus ride. | 57 | 17 | 489 |
4jocel | 85 | Picked up my Model X today... wish I could say everything went well. So today was the day for me to pick up my P90 Model X! Yay! I live about 150 miles from Denver and my youngest daughter had a doctor s appointment today so I decided to take the bus (3+ hours!) to Denver and then Ubered to the Tesla service center from the bus station. Here is where the problems of the day started someone on the bus hot boxed the bathroom which my 3 year old daughter had to use immediately after and then someone stole my two week old custom made $160 hat. Nothing to do with Tesla but definitely got me started on the wrong foot! Once I got to the service center I had to wait about a half hour in the waiting room because my appointment wasn t until 1 PM. As soon as we got to [see the car](http: i.imgur.com CwnK0wf.jpg) my daughter [was thrilled](http: i.imgur.com oZGvwmN.jpg)! Then delivery specialist hit me with some news. The sensor on my driver s side falcon wing door doesn t work they can t figure out why and hopefully it will just fix itself?! Thanks for telling me this I don t know before I took a three hour bus ride and a $25 Uber to the service center? Now the door only opens a crack requiring me to squeeze my arm through the opening and hold the open lever all until it overrides the blocked sensor and goes all the way up. This means I can t use the child safety locks important with young kids. Oh and they didn t charge the car to 100% like I was promised they would both over the phone and in [writing by email](http: i.imgur.com SOjGFfD.png). Anyways I had no other way of getting home so I took the car. Due to the car only being at 50% charge I had to stop at the [Silverthorne Supercharger](http: i.imgur.com 095VHrh.jpg). After charging to where I was comfortable I wouldn t get below 20% I went on my way. Of course not before smacking my head on the door with the broken sensor trying to put things in the car! While I was getting close to my friend s house (making a dinner stop) I decided to look at the GPS to see if it was any different (better) than that on the Model S and I see [this](http: i.imgur.com nR51JiW.jpg). The problem? [This](http: i.imgur.com PjH3Z98.png) is what my (accurate) cell phone GPS shows! The Model X GPS had me in an area with no roads other than extreme Jeep trails! To round out the day I get a call from the service center saying they have a part that they think will fix the sensor issue that will take two hours to install and test. Remember I live 150 miles away! We scheduled an appointment for Thursday and will hopefully be able to address the issues. One other negative I noticed is that the huge wiper blades don t even cover half of the even huger windshield and the leftover rain drops were annoying to look at (no big deal) and will be a pain to clean after every rain storm (a tiny bit bigger deal but still worth it). Sigh. On the bright side Autopilot is fun. Not ready for sleeping at the wheel or actually being super useful on mountain roads but fun and actually had me paying more attention than normal because I don t trust it! | How did a car with such an obvious flaw make it out of the factory? And if it was fine at the factory but was fragile enough to break on a delivery truck what does that say about the falcon door s long term viability? | When I took possession of my 2016 Model S it went flawlessly. I am sorry you had such a terrible experience. | 57 | 27 | 490 |
4jy75p | 39 | Just put 100k miles on my S Love hate this car best car I have ever had worst car I have ever had. | home charger replaced 12 volt battery failure drive battery failure Rear Door handle fail TPS TPS HP charger replaced HP charger replaced again Hood pop up 12 volt battery failure tires and alignment 6 sets of new tires in first 30k miles front steering knuckle dead in parking lot at mall trim under car flopping drive battery replaced drive battery replaced again motor replaced stress crack in windshield TPS HP Charger replaced HP Charger intermittent passenger door opens randomly stress crack in windshield TPS Set of new tires rear out of align again HP Charger intermittent | details | 34 | 7 | 491 |
4kb00y | 250 | Tesla: Please update the 17 touchscreen hardware For such a fast and incredible car the 17 display is quite slow. For anyone accustomed to newer smartphones the response rate is painful. Using more complex applications like Maps and even XM Radio feels sluggish and outdated. Many times a press takes *seconds* before updating the screen. This is my one qualm about the Model S and X. Beautiful and amazing cars but the touchscreen could be **so** much more. | This is especially true when you factor in that it needs to be future proofed a fair amount more than your average deal. A phone we ditch every 2 years a laptop we usually rock a little longer and a tablet somewhere in between. This has to still be functional 8-10 years from now running apps and whatnot that don t exist yet. It really aught to be blazing now so that it s holding its own in 3 years and tolerable at 6 years. Really if you think about it they aught make this fairly easy to update so 5 years from now we can slip some new hardware in there for $500 so I can play Civ VII on it while the car drives me to where I m going. | I d love to know the overall latency of the touch-to-action response. Given how virtually all of the controls are accessed through the screen you really would think it would be faster. | 52 | 6 | 492 |
4kb00y | 250 | Tesla: Please update the 17 touchscreen hardware For such a fast and incredible car the 17 display is quite slow. For anyone accustomed to newer smartphones the response rate is painful. Using more complex applications like Maps and even XM Radio feels sluggish and outdated. Many times a press takes *seconds* before updating the screen. This is my one qualm about the Model S and X. Beautiful and amazing cars but the touchscreen could be **so** much more. | This is especially true when you factor in that it needs to be future proofed a fair amount more than your average deal. A phone we ditch every 2 years a laptop we usually rock a little longer and a tablet somewhere in between. This has to still be functional 8-10 years from now running apps and whatnot that don t exist yet. It really aught to be blazing now so that it s holding its own in 3 years and tolerable at 6 years. Really if you think about it they aught make this fairly easy to update so 5 years from now we can slip some new hardware in there for $500 so I can play Civ VII on it while the car drives me to where I m going. | Would anyone with UI software hardware experience like to comment about how much effort it would be for Tesla to upgrade the main screen? For all I know this could be a month of work for a small team or a year worth of work for 50 people. Would changing hardware introduce any unforeseen security vulnerabilities? The ≡ s screen and UI are different so the relevant engineers are likely prioritizing that at the moment anyways. | 52 | 9 | 493 |
4kb00y | 250 | Tesla: Please update the 17 touchscreen hardware For such a fast and incredible car the 17 display is quite slow. For anyone accustomed to newer smartphones the response rate is painful. Using more complex applications like Maps and even XM Radio feels sluggish and outdated. Many times a press takes *seconds* before updating the screen. This is my one qualm about the Model S and X. Beautiful and amazing cars but the touchscreen could be **so** much more. | This is especially true when you factor in that it needs to be future proofed a fair amount more than your average deal. A phone we ditch every 2 years a laptop we usually rock a little longer and a tablet somewhere in between. This has to still be functional 8-10 years from now running apps and whatnot that don t exist yet. It really aught to be blazing now so that it s holding its own in 3 years and tolerable at 6 years. Really if you think about it they aught make this fairly easy to update so 5 years from now we can slip some new hardware in there for $500 so I can play Civ VII on it while the car drives me to where I m going. | My screen on my 2012 CPO (had it for one week) works as well as my Nexus 6P. I don t have XM radio though so may that makes a difference. Or maybe they swapped it out before I purchased it? | 52 | 10 | 494 |
4lpzsf | 36 | So mad at myself.. I have had my Tesla for less than 48hrs and put a scratch on it. I was trying to program the trunk opening height. I found instructions on the internet saying raise to the height you want hold button for 3 seconds. I held the trunk popper button not the one you use to close the hatch. Assuming it was programmed correctly I hit the open button the hatch proceeded to open. It went passed my preset height and smacked into the top of my garage door........ Now I have a 3 inch scratch I have to look at. Please don t let this happen to you. | Oh the emotions. Ecstatic over owning a dream car angry over scratching it. I feel for you. I still park mine at the other end of parking lots away from other cars not under trees (as they may have birds) next to a curb if possible. Let it pass enjoy the car change your flair. Congratulations on joining the club. | The instructions also tell you to wait till you hear a BEEP. I m guessing there was no beep from the button you pressed. Sorry you put a mark on it. | 31 | 2 | 495 |
4lukyu | 491 | My Model S (90D) did its job yesterday when a semi ran me off the road A semi truck ran me and my fiancee off the road yesterday. I had autopilot enabled and was driving at 78mph in a 70 (I was on a well-maintained toll road). I was overtaking the semi and my car was pretty much centered between the front and rear wheels of the trailer. Unfortunately this means that autopilot was completely blind to the truck s existence because the sensors just saw empty air underneath the trailer (any Model S owner will tell you that the Tesla drives uncomfortably close to semi trucks when passing them). As I overtook the semi I saw all of its turn signals click on just as it started moving into my lane. There was no warning - it was a classic signal after I initiate my lane change move. I grabbed the wheel and turned it to the left. The downside to autopilot is that disabling it with the steering wheel requires overcoming some resistance. The result is a jerk or lurch in the direction you turn the wheel. My sudden turn and the resulting lurch put my car onto the shoulder and then immediately into the gravel on the side of the road (it was a narrow shoulder). We went into the gravel going 78 mph. I tried to straighten the car out but overcorrected back into the lane where the truck still was so I turned back left towards the gravel. We hit the gravel again but this time I more gracefully steered out of it before flooring it and getting ahead of the truck. This happened in about 3 seconds. In my previous car a 2011 Honda Civic hitting the gravel at 78mph and overcorrecting out of it would have been the end - we would have fishtailed and spun around and hit the truck. The Tesla with its all-wheel-drive and 5 000 lbs just laughed at the gravel and handled like a dream. No slipping no sliding it went exactly where I steered it and was completely controllable the whole time. The erratic swerving was due entirely to my swinging the wheel around like a dead cat by the tail. In any other car I ve ever driven I would have been scared out of my mind and needed a cool-down period after an episode like this but both my fiancee and I agreed that we felt completely safe during the experience. It was alarming sure but we felt like the vehicle was in control and on our side the entire time. So there you go thanks Tesla! | You went from a Civic to a Model S? That s quite the upgrade. | Im guessing the truck driver would have been a bit surprised to see a car rocket past him from the gravel shoulder. | 197 | 29 | 496 |
4lukyu | 491 | My Model S (90D) did its job yesterday when a semi ran me off the road A semi truck ran me and my fiancee off the road yesterday. I had autopilot enabled and was driving at 78mph in a 70 (I was on a well-maintained toll road). I was overtaking the semi and my car was pretty much centered between the front and rear wheels of the trailer. Unfortunately this means that autopilot was completely blind to the truck s existence because the sensors just saw empty air underneath the trailer (any Model S owner will tell you that the Tesla drives uncomfortably close to semi trucks when passing them). As I overtook the semi I saw all of its turn signals click on just as it started moving into my lane. There was no warning - it was a classic signal after I initiate my lane change move. I grabbed the wheel and turned it to the left. The downside to autopilot is that disabling it with the steering wheel requires overcoming some resistance. The result is a jerk or lurch in the direction you turn the wheel. My sudden turn and the resulting lurch put my car onto the shoulder and then immediately into the gravel on the side of the road (it was a narrow shoulder). We went into the gravel going 78 mph. I tried to straighten the car out but overcorrected back into the lane where the truck still was so I turned back left towards the gravel. We hit the gravel again but this time I more gracefully steered out of it before flooring it and getting ahead of the truck. This happened in about 3 seconds. In my previous car a 2011 Honda Civic hitting the gravel at 78mph and overcorrecting out of it would have been the end - we would have fishtailed and spun around and hit the truck. The Tesla with its all-wheel-drive and 5 000 lbs just laughed at the gravel and handled like a dream. No slipping no sliding it went exactly where I steered it and was completely controllable the whole time. The erratic swerving was due entirely to my swinging the wheel around like a dead cat by the tail. In any other car I ve ever driven I would have been scared out of my mind and needed a cool-down period after an episode like this but both my fiancee and I agreed that we felt completely safe during the experience. It was alarming sure but we felt like the vehicle was in control and on our side the entire time. So there you go thanks Tesla! | Nice. Thank goodness you re alright. My only question is why the hell auto pilot can t see semi trailers. That seems to be a big omission. | Im guessing the truck driver would have been a bit surprised to see a car rocket past him from the gravel shoulder. | 78 | 29 | 497 |
4lukyu | 491 | My Model S (90D) did its job yesterday when a semi ran me off the road A semi truck ran me and my fiancee off the road yesterday. I had autopilot enabled and was driving at 78mph in a 70 (I was on a well-maintained toll road). I was overtaking the semi and my car was pretty much centered between the front and rear wheels of the trailer. Unfortunately this means that autopilot was completely blind to the truck s existence because the sensors just saw empty air underneath the trailer (any Model S owner will tell you that the Tesla drives uncomfortably close to semi trucks when passing them). As I overtook the semi I saw all of its turn signals click on just as it started moving into my lane. There was no warning - it was a classic signal after I initiate my lane change move. I grabbed the wheel and turned it to the left. The downside to autopilot is that disabling it with the steering wheel requires overcoming some resistance. The result is a jerk or lurch in the direction you turn the wheel. My sudden turn and the resulting lurch put my car onto the shoulder and then immediately into the gravel on the side of the road (it was a narrow shoulder). We went into the gravel going 78 mph. I tried to straighten the car out but overcorrected back into the lane where the truck still was so I turned back left towards the gravel. We hit the gravel again but this time I more gracefully steered out of it before flooring it and getting ahead of the truck. This happened in about 3 seconds. In my previous car a 2011 Honda Civic hitting the gravel at 78mph and overcorrecting out of it would have been the end - we would have fishtailed and spun around and hit the truck. The Tesla with its all-wheel-drive and 5 000 lbs just laughed at the gravel and handled like a dream. No slipping no sliding it went exactly where I steered it and was completely controllable the whole time. The erratic swerving was due entirely to my swinging the wheel around like a dead cat by the tail. In any other car I ve ever driven I would have been scared out of my mind and needed a cool-down period after an episode like this but both my fiancee and I agreed that we felt completely safe during the experience. It was alarming sure but we felt like the vehicle was in control and on our side the entire time. So there you go thanks Tesla! | Nice. Thank goodness you re alright. My only question is why the hell auto pilot can t see semi trailers. That seems to be a big omission. | > In any other car I ve ever driven I would have been scared out of my mind But in any other car you wouldn t have that lurch due to the AP and would just steer smoothly away without ending up in the gravel... | 78 | 40 | 498 |
4luudx | 90 | [Official Thread] 2016 Tesla Annual Shareholder Meeting [2pm PDT - 9 UTC] Hi everyone Today Tesla will hold its 2016 Annual Meeting of Stockholders at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View. Please keep all the posts related to the event in this thread - you can change your sorted by to new to more easily keep up with the conversations. The event starts at 2PM local (PDT) - 9 UTC - here s [an active countdown for the lazy](https: www.timeanddate.com countdown generic?iso=20160531T14& p0=1241& msg=Tesla+2016+Annual+Meeting& ud=1& font=cursive). Tesla will be live-streaming the event on its website: [Tesla Motors Inc. 2016 Annual Shareholder Meeting](https: www.teslamotors.com 2016shareholdermeeting) The meeting generally starts with a formal part for shareholders to vote on a few things. Last year it was a little more complicated because of two shareholder proposals about the use of leather in Tesla s vehicles but this year it should be fairly straightforward. Shareholders will vote on the reelection of two board directors the reappointment of Tesla s public accounting firm and on a stockholder proposal to eliminate limited supermajority voting requirements. After the formal part CEO Elon Musk should make a short presentation followed by a Q& A session. The Q& A is most entertaining part of the event and Musk generally releases a few interesting nuggets of information. Have fun! Fred | You have to wonder what kind of person after somebody steals $30 000 in bicycles from their barn would go to the shareholders meeting of a related company instead of I don t know the police. | Can t watch the rest. 95% sure Elon is stepping down and JB is taking over as CEO... | 43 | 2 | 499 |
4luudx | 90 | [Official Thread] 2016 Tesla Annual Shareholder Meeting [2pm PDT - 9 UTC] Hi everyone Today Tesla will hold its 2016 Annual Meeting of Stockholders at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View. Please keep all the posts related to the event in this thread - you can change your sorted by to new to more easily keep up with the conversations. The event starts at 2PM local (PDT) - 9 UTC - here s [an active countdown for the lazy](https: www.timeanddate.com countdown generic?iso=20160531T14& p0=1241& msg=Tesla+2016+Annual+Meeting& ud=1& font=cursive). Tesla will be live-streaming the event on its website: [Tesla Motors Inc. 2016 Annual Shareholder Meeting](https: www.teslamotors.com 2016shareholdermeeting) The meeting generally starts with a formal part for shareholders to vote on a few things. Last year it was a little more complicated because of two shareholder proposals about the use of leather in Tesla s vehicles but this year it should be fairly straightforward. Shareholders will vote on the reelection of two board directors the reappointment of Tesla s public accounting firm and on a stockholder proposal to eliminate limited supermajority voting requirements. After the formal part CEO Elon Musk should make a short presentation followed by a Q& A session. The Q& A is most entertaining part of the event and Musk generally releases a few interesting nuggets of information. Have fun! Fred | You have to wonder what kind of person after somebody steals $30 000 in bicycles from their barn would go to the shareholders meeting of a related company instead of I don t know the police. | Elon seems tired and at times sad. :(. | 43 | 2 | 500 |
4luudx | 90 | [Official Thread] 2016 Tesla Annual Shareholder Meeting [2pm PDT - 9 UTC] Hi everyone Today Tesla will hold its 2016 Annual Meeting of Stockholders at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View. Please keep all the posts related to the event in this thread - you can change your sorted by to new to more easily keep up with the conversations. The event starts at 2PM local (PDT) - 9 UTC - here s [an active countdown for the lazy](https: www.timeanddate.com countdown generic?iso=20160531T14& p0=1241& msg=Tesla+2016+Annual+Meeting& ud=1& font=cursive). Tesla will be live-streaming the event on its website: [Tesla Motors Inc. 2016 Annual Shareholder Meeting](https: www.teslamotors.com 2016shareholdermeeting) The meeting generally starts with a formal part for shareholders to vote on a few things. Last year it was a little more complicated because of two shareholder proposals about the use of leather in Tesla s vehicles but this year it should be fairly straightforward. Shareholders will vote on the reelection of two board directors the reappointment of Tesla s public accounting firm and on a stockholder proposal to eliminate limited supermajority voting requirements. After the formal part CEO Elon Musk should make a short presentation followed by a Q& A session. The Q& A is most entertaining part of the event and Musk generally releases a few interesting nuggets of information. Have fun! Fred | You have to wonder what kind of person after somebody steals $30 000 in bicycles from their barn would go to the shareholders meeting of a related company instead of I don t know the police. | Ugh I have to wait until the end of the work day! | 43 | 3 | 501 |
4mq9mb | 27 | Question for those that have bought a Tesla in Texas How does the process work? How do I finance it if Tesla cannot offer financing in Texas? How does the sales tax work? Does it get added to the total price of the car? | Use Alliant Credit Union. Call Daniel. He s doing my loan and my car arrives in Austin later this week. Their best rate is 1.49% for up to 72 months. They are very familiar with the Tesla to Texas issue! Daniel Tovar Loan Consultant Alliant Credit Union Chicago IL 773-462-2008 Direct and Fax 800-328-1935 ext 2008 [email protected] | The Tesla advisor I worked with recommended Alliance Federal Credit Union which I believe is based in Illinois. I had zero issues going that route. It was a very easy and seamless process and the rates were competitive with what I would have gotten locally. | 29 | 3 | 502 |
4mvgow | 27 | Does my Tesla contribute to fleet-learning when Autopilot is off? I had been trying to maximize autopilot use under the assumption that this is the best way to contribute to the fleet s learning curve. But it occurs to me that the best time for a Tesla to learn is probably when autopilot is off -- the car could constantly be assessing what autopilot WOULD do and compare that to what the driver does and any discrepancies show the need for further analysis. That provides constant useful data. When autopilot is on the only real learning moments are when the driver takes over but that is sporadic. Does anyone know? Not to be communist about it but I do like the idea of contributing to the hive mind as much as I can. | Tesla s head of Autopilot recently revealed in a recent talk that yes they are learning even when Autopilot isn t enabled. | Unlikely anyone outside Tesla knows. I think you should just drive as you wish - use AP when it suits and not worry about your level of contribution. Your individual amount as a data point doesn t affect things that much. | 31 | 4 | 503 |
4mxdkw | 60 | Why is every accident involving a tesla a news story? No other car manufacturer gets this. If there was a highly upvoted news story every time some idiot wrapped their BMW around a lamppost then you d need to scroll through the first 8 pages of r all before you saw a single cat gif. It s like the media (he says knowing that it s several different websites and sources that cover this stuff) want to say something like look look! They CAN still crash! They re NOT perfect!!! and it just seems so petty especially as every case so far has been the owner s fault. I m not really sure what I m getting at here because I don t entirely understand the reasons for it happening. Why is it only teslas that get this much scrutiny over every single user error? | Because the success of EVs will screw over a few very powerful very rich people. Examples the Kochs and the entire oil industry. | I ve wondered this also. I just assume it s people who hate seeing others succeed or do better than them. | 46 | 14 | 504 |
4mxdkw | 60 | Why is every accident involving a tesla a news story? No other car manufacturer gets this. If there was a highly upvoted news story every time some idiot wrapped their BMW around a lamppost then you d need to scroll through the first 8 pages of r all before you saw a single cat gif. It s like the media (he says knowing that it s several different websites and sources that cover this stuff) want to say something like look look! They CAN still crash! They re NOT perfect!!! and it just seems so petty especially as every case so far has been the owner s fault. I m not really sure what I m getting at here because I don t entirely understand the reasons for it happening. Why is it only teslas that get this much scrutiny over every single user error? | Because the success of EVs will screw over a few very powerful very rich people. Examples the Kochs and the entire oil industry. | Because it s got electrolytes. | 46 | 14 | 505 |
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