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43mcml | 78 | Those who switched from a Lexus Mercedes BMW etc. what do you miss about your old car? I ve seen a lot of posts from folks who are absolutely blown away by the interior fit and finish of the Model S. I found it to be fine not a deal breaker but nowhere near the quality of a luxury-level automobile. Do you miss that aspect of your previous car or does the Model S overcome it with all of its other amazing traits? EDIT: For example if you poke around in a Lexus interior they meticulously attach felt to any areas that might rub together plastic or otherwise. They also pack the car full of sound-deadening material. The result is a car that s pretty much guaranteed to never rattle. That attention to detail was noticeably lacking in my Tesla test drive experience. | I m wondering if opinions about the S interior are a generational thing or not? I m young. I find the interior of high end luxury cars suuuuper tacky. Its just too much unnecessary gaudy luxury that I don t want or use. Yet obviously there is a market for such interiors and most people who can afford high end luxury cars are probably 50+ years old. Does anyone disagree or agree? Of course everyone has the right to spend their own money on whatever they please so I won t say wanting an ultralux interior is wrong and Tesla interior is best interior. | stability traction control settings that would let you have fun. | 40 | 4 | 306 |
43mcml | 78 | Those who switched from a Lexus Mercedes BMW etc. what do you miss about your old car? I ve seen a lot of posts from folks who are absolutely blown away by the interior fit and finish of the Model S. I found it to be fine not a deal breaker but nowhere near the quality of a luxury-level automobile. Do you miss that aspect of your previous car or does the Model S overcome it with all of its other amazing traits? EDIT: For example if you poke around in a Lexus interior they meticulously attach felt to any areas that might rub together plastic or otherwise. They also pack the car full of sound-deadening material. The result is a car that s pretty much guaranteed to never rattle. That attention to detail was noticeably lacking in my Tesla test drive experience. | Went from a Mercedes CLS550 to Model S 90D as my daily driver. I miss the way I could quickly zoom in and out with a wheel on the nav headlights that turn around corners and massaging seats. The one I miss the most is the nav. Even though the screen was ridiculously small compared to the Tesla the speed and responsiveness of controlling it especially zoom was way better on the Mercedes. These are all minor though and I could never see myself going back to any ICE car. | Bmw x3 - heated steering wheel. | 37 | 2 | 307 |
450vw2 | 133 | Former Tesla Employee. AMA Please keep in mind I am still under and NDA(which I will not violate) but I would love to answer any questions I can from an insider s perspective. Edit: [Proof](http: imgur.com a3gh2Ws) Owner Advisor for 1.5 years. 2014-2015 AMA closed. Thanks everyone! | Why did you leave? What were your most and least favorite parts of the job? What is your education or experience background? How old are you? | What was your position? Edit: Proof? | 46 | 4 | 308 |
450vw2 | 133 | Former Tesla Employee. AMA Please keep in mind I am still under and NDA(which I will not violate) but I would love to answer any questions I can from an insider s perspective. Edit: [Proof](http: imgur.com a3gh2Ws) Owner Advisor for 1.5 years. 2014-2015 AMA closed. Thanks everyone! | Why did you leave? What were your most and least favorite parts of the job? What is your education or experience background? How old are you? | Do you own a Tesla? Always wondered if they paid the sales staff enough to actually afford one whether you already had one or were just going off of experience they gave you. | 46 | 6 | 309 |
450vw2 | 133 | Former Tesla Employee. AMA Please keep in mind I am still under and NDA(which I will not violate) but I would love to answer any questions I can from an insider s perspective. Edit: [Proof](http: imgur.com a3gh2Ws) Owner Advisor for 1.5 years. 2014-2015 AMA closed. Thanks everyone! | Why did you leave? What were your most and least favorite parts of the job? What is your education or experience background? How old are you? | Couple questions: How many people (approx.) work on the autopilot software and how many work on the software in total? How many hours on average did you work a day? Was there ever worry as gas prices started to go down for the Model 3? Thanks so much! Edit: Well owner advisor may not be able to answer these questions but worth a shot :) | 46 | 7 | 310 |
452nkf | 80 | [Official Thread] Tesla Q4 2015 financial results and conference call [results at market close ~4pm ET - call at 5:30pm ET] It s earnings day everyone! As usual please keep all posts and links related to the earnings and conference call to this thread in order to limit similar posts on the sub. You can change your comment sorted by option to new in order to more easily follow the conversations. Last time we had over 300 comments so it might be a good idea... The shareholders letter will be available after market close [here](http: ir.teslamotors.com events.cfm) and you can login [here](http: edge.media-server.com m p nswqxjz3) to listen to the conference call at 5:30 PM ET - 10:30 PM UTC I ll post the shareholders letter and 10Q here as they become available: - [Shareholders letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 732600650x0x874449 945B9CF5-86DA-4C35-B03C-4892824F058D Q4_15_Tesla_Update_Letter.pdf) - 10Q _______________________ **Revenue** Wall Street s revenue consensus is $1.78 billion for the quarter while [Estimize](https: www.estimize.com tsla?show_confirm=true#chart=historical) the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts $1.79 billion in revenue. Here are the predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: [Imgur](http: i.imgur.com jFLShco.png) **Earnings** As for earnings per share or maybe loss per share the Wall Street consensus is a gain of $0.08 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is a gain of $0.04 per share. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: [Imgur](http: i.imgur.com VbdOtu3.png) _________________________ Have fun and please respect the rules... or not I m not your boss... | > Reflecting our philosophy of continuous improvement we have not relaxed our pursuit of making the world s most reliable cars. The cost of first year repair claims on cars produced in 2015 was at about half the level of cars produced in 2014 and about one quarter the level of cars produced in 2012. This is very good news. | Any predictions on new info? I m hoping that powerwall pack reservations will be way above expected | 43 | 2 | 311 |
452nkf | 80 | [Official Thread] Tesla Q4 2015 financial results and conference call [results at market close ~4pm ET - call at 5:30pm ET] It s earnings day everyone! As usual please keep all posts and links related to the earnings and conference call to this thread in order to limit similar posts on the sub. You can change your comment sorted by option to new in order to more easily follow the conversations. Last time we had over 300 comments so it might be a good idea... The shareholders letter will be available after market close [here](http: ir.teslamotors.com events.cfm) and you can login [here](http: edge.media-server.com m p nswqxjz3) to listen to the conference call at 5:30 PM ET - 10:30 PM UTC I ll post the shareholders letter and 10Q here as they become available: - [Shareholders letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 732600650x0x874449 945B9CF5-86DA-4C35-B03C-4892824F058D Q4_15_Tesla_Update_Letter.pdf) - 10Q _______________________ **Revenue** Wall Street s revenue consensus is $1.78 billion for the quarter while [Estimize](https: www.estimize.com tsla?show_confirm=true#chart=historical) the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts $1.79 billion in revenue. Here are the predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: [Imgur](http: i.imgur.com jFLShco.png) **Earnings** As for earnings per share or maybe loss per share the Wall Street consensus is a gain of $0.08 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is a gain of $0.04 per share. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: [Imgur](http: i.imgur.com VbdOtu3.png) _________________________ Have fun and please respect the rules... or not I m not your boss... | > Reflecting our philosophy of continuous improvement we have not relaxed our pursuit of making the world s most reliable cars. The cost of first year repair claims on cars produced in 2015 was at about half the level of cars produced in 2014 and about one quarter the level of cars produced in 2012. This is very good news. | I bought a june 170 175 bull call spread for 1.55. Im betting on model 3 price ramp and this pre eatnings drop is perfect opportunity. I can afford to lose my position. | 43 | 2 | 312 |
452nkf | 80 | [Official Thread] Tesla Q4 2015 financial results and conference call [results at market close ~4pm ET - call at 5:30pm ET] It s earnings day everyone! As usual please keep all posts and links related to the earnings and conference call to this thread in order to limit similar posts on the sub. You can change your comment sorted by option to new in order to more easily follow the conversations. Last time we had over 300 comments so it might be a good idea... The shareholders letter will be available after market close [here](http: ir.teslamotors.com events.cfm) and you can login [here](http: edge.media-server.com m p nswqxjz3) to listen to the conference call at 5:30 PM ET - 10:30 PM UTC I ll post the shareholders letter and 10Q here as they become available: - [Shareholders letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 732600650x0x874449 945B9CF5-86DA-4C35-B03C-4892824F058D Q4_15_Tesla_Update_Letter.pdf) - 10Q _______________________ **Revenue** Wall Street s revenue consensus is $1.78 billion for the quarter while [Estimize](https: www.estimize.com tsla?show_confirm=true#chart=historical) the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts $1.79 billion in revenue. Here are the predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: [Imgur](http: i.imgur.com jFLShco.png) **Earnings** As for earnings per share or maybe loss per share the Wall Street consensus is a gain of $0.08 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is a gain of $0.04 per share. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: [Imgur](http: i.imgur.com VbdOtu3.png) _________________________ Have fun and please respect the rules... or not I m not your boss... | > Reflecting our philosophy of continuous improvement we have not relaxed our pursuit of making the world s most reliable cars. The cost of first year repair claims on cars produced in 2015 was at about half the level of cars produced in 2014 and about one quarter the level of cars produced in 2012. This is very good news. | Based on the slightly lower than initially anticipated ~~sales~~ *production** numbers (51k vs 55k) for the year and the slow ramp up of Model X production I will be pleasantly surprised if EPS > 0.0. Especially if Tesla put any more into the Gigafactory. I think it will be closer to -0.07 for 2015Q4 and positive for 2016Q1. Edit: I expect capex to be higher than projected which will affect EPS but revenue will be largely unaffected maybe only slightly down depending upon how well PowerWall and PowerPack have performed. Edit 2: corrected terminology per u FoxhoundBat. | 43 | 3 | 313 |
45moxq | 124 | Don t bring cash to reserve Model 3 in stores 3 31 Hey all I check this subreddit like 20+ times a day and haven t seen this info posted. So i called up my nearest store and asked what the details were. No cash bring debit or credit and reservations will happen right when doors open. We don t have to wait for the reveal. Good luck all! | Also don t bring $1 000 in cash with you anywhere. If the police find you with that amount of money they can [seize](https: www.aclu.org issues criminal-law-reform reforming-police-practices asset-forfeiture-abuse) it on the presumption that it is related to the drug trade. | Damm it makes me want to fly to a tesla store and reserve in person the 31 | 63 | 3 | 314 |
45moxq | 124 | Don t bring cash to reserve Model 3 in stores 3 31 Hey all I check this subreddit like 20+ times a day and haven t seen this info posted. So i called up my nearest store and asked what the details were. No cash bring debit or credit and reservations will happen right when doors open. We don t have to wait for the reveal. Good luck all! | Also don t bring $1 000 in cash with you anywhere. If the police find you with that amount of money they can [seize](https: www.aclu.org issues criminal-law-reform reforming-police-practices asset-forfeiture-abuse) it on the presumption that it is related to the drug trade. | Thanks for posting this I was gonna bring cash (and in the moment my credit card would have been fine) but good to know! | 63 | 4 | 315 |
45moxq | 124 | Don t bring cash to reserve Model 3 in stores 3 31 Hey all I check this subreddit like 20+ times a day and haven t seen this info posted. So i called up my nearest store and asked what the details were. No cash bring debit or credit and reservations will happen right when doors open. We don t have to wait for the reveal. Good luck all! | Also don t bring $1 000 in cash with you anywhere. If the police find you with that amount of money they can [seize](https: www.aclu.org issues criminal-law-reform reforming-police-practices asset-forfeiture-abuse) it on the presumption that it is related to the drug trade. | Awesome! Thanks for taking the time. | 63 | 6 | 316 |
45om1u | 39 | Is anyone else putting a deposit on a Model 3 just because ? I m curious if anyone else including Model S owners like me are planning on putting a deposit on a Model 3 just to do it. I know it sounds crazy because we don t have the need for another car but I m considering doing it because I think getting in early would be great. Thoughts?? | I m way too poor for this sub | Fully intend to buy but yup. Will be online on 3 31 | 32 | 2 | 317 |
45om1u | 39 | Is anyone else putting a deposit on a Model 3 just because ? I m curious if anyone else including Model S owners like me are planning on putting a deposit on a Model 3 just to do it. I know it sounds crazy because we don t have the need for another car but I m considering doing it because I think getting in early would be great. Thoughts?? | I m way too poor for this sub | deposit on 31st. Fully intend to buy my 3 series lease ends in Nov 2017 so I hope I can get asap | 32 | 2 | 318 |
45om1u | 39 | Is anyone else putting a deposit on a Model 3 just because ? I m curious if anyone else including Model S owners like me are planning on putting a deposit on a Model 3 just to do it. I know it sounds crazy because we don t have the need for another car but I m considering doing it because I think getting in early would be great. Thoughts?? | I m way too poor for this sub | [] (#Tesla) | 32 | 2 | 319 |
46er21 | 53 | Tesla Questions specifically longevity I m hoping you guys can provide some insight on. First I ll start by saying I am personally a huge supporter of Tesla and it s long term goals and vision. I could talk about it until my face would turn blue. With the model 3 approaching and it being more in my price range of what I would like to spend on a vehicle I do have some questions about cost and the long term benefits. My example and thought process is before the whole TDI scandal and the price of oil dropping (not going to be low forever). I sat down and really started looking at my best next move on a vehicle to meet my needs and fit my goals such as my FI and personal finance goals. That being said I was seriously contemplating between the model 3 (after unveiled) and the TDI passat (I do believe they will sell the TDI line again in the US). My plan is to buy the vehicle new and run it for just about as long as possible likely-hood of 10+ years. My commute is about ~60mi a day with a TDI it would be extremely realistic for it to support my commute and term s of wanting to last (Hell most gas engines go > 200k anymore) . With a Tesla my question is the long term cost. Meaning the battery s. Even if I m not racking a ton of miles up on the vehicle does anyone know the expected life of the battery pack and the cost to replace? What would worry me is seeing all of the short term or instant savings in gas no oil changes ect on the Tesla and then around that 10 year mark have to replace the battery s and the price of them cause all the saving over the fuel and maintenance to be a wash. And my next concern of course is car seats making sure the model 3 could support two of them bad boy s. (Future me speaking). **TLDR** Long term cost analysis on battery pack life replacement cost against normal gas diesel vehicle maintenance and cost **Update**: I just wanted to take a second and give some appreciation to the amount of people input and thought that have been contributing to this posting! | You d be hard-pressed to find anyone that can answer how much it will cost to replace the battery because there are very few people (if any) that have had to replace one out of warranty. Tesla warranties their 70kWh packs and larger for 8 years from date of manufacture and unlimited mileage and the oldest Model Ses (I have one of them) are only 3 years old (Dec of 2012). The only people that would have had to replace a battery out of warranty would be anyone who has driven an S60 for over 100K miles. You d need a crystal ball to figure out how much it would cost to replace an 85kWh pack in 2020. By then the gigafactory should be fully operational and the cost of batteries should be significantly less than they are today. Also even if a pack goes bad it does still have value. The majority of the cells within it would still be useable and they could also be recycled or used for stationary energy storage which would help to offset the cost of replacement. The other problem in the comparative analysis vs. a gasoline vehicle is trying to predict the price of fuel. Again you need that damned crystal ball. I used a crystal ball to justify buying my Model S and then OPEC knocked if off the table and it smashed into a million tiny pieces. All that being said I still think a Model 3 in the long-run would have a lower total cost of ownership. Even if it was a wash the driving and ownership experience of all-electric is far superior to that of a gasoline vehicle. I also drive a lot (80 mi. a day) and I ve always been of the mind that because I drive so much I need to love what I drive. I had a Honda S2000 for 13 years and drove it for over 200K miles and I absolutely loved it. I intend to do the same with my Model S (unless I can manage to steal a Roadster then my wife can have the S :-D). | it is extremely hard to predict this and it has some variables like if the battery capacity was at 80% of new would you replace it? What about 70%? or will you use it until it holds < 50% or until it breaks completely? Will you buy a new one if there were 150kW packs available even if your still have 80% of capacity available? | 57 | 8 | 320 |
46hggl | 223 | At last Tesla now owns tesla.com [Tesla.com](http: www.tesla.com) | at least it s not forwarding to Donald Trump s website :) | At least that will help with those who are curious about the brand and direct them to the right place! :) | 47 | 2 | 321 |
46hggl | 223 | At last Tesla now owns tesla.com [Tesla.com](http: www.tesla.com) | My company blocked Tesla.com but not Teslamotors.com ok... | At least that will help with those who are curious about the brand and direct them to the right place! :) | 41 | 2 | 322 |
46tas8 | 22 | using autopilot in traffic how is it? I am about to face major stop and go traffic 1-2 hours for work each way (91 freeway in socal). I was thinking of getting a tesla to help deal with the traffic. for those with autopilot how much of a difference does autopilot help deal with traffic? does it make it for a relaxing drive? input much appreciated thank you. | It s amazing. Best thing ever. Don t believe me? Too bad. It really is. Imagine having your own personal train car but on the road. I get into work and I m not stressed out in fact I m totally relaxed. It senses traffic beautifully and seamlessly follows the ebb flow. | From everything I ve watched read and heard you basically won t touch the wheel the entire time in traffic you ll be bored as fuck that s how awesome it is. Someone with it will chime in. | 45 | 2 | 323 |
46tas8 | 22 | using autopilot in traffic how is it? I am about to face major stop and go traffic 1-2 hours for work each way (91 freeway in socal). I was thinking of getting a tesla to help deal with the traffic. for those with autopilot how much of a difference does autopilot help deal with traffic? does it make it for a relaxing drive? input much appreciated thank you. | I sold a classic model S to upgrade to it after having driven it for a day. It is a game changer and where it shines MOST is in stop n go. I m in socal as well. From the valley down to LA via the 405 is a complete stress free stroll. Trafffic no longer pisses me off. Just stay in your lane and let the car deal with everyone cutting you off stopping & starting etc. No need to stress | From everything I ve watched read and heard you basically won t touch the wheel the entire time in traffic you ll be bored as fuck that s how awesome it is. Someone with it will chime in. | 28 | 2 | 324 |
475m46 | 89 | My Autopilot had an accident I was driving on the A7 Autobahn in the middle of the night heading for the ski resort in Bad Gastein when I came to a roadwork section. I had activated the Autopilot most of the way and it was especially comfortable to use on roadwork sections because of the low speed and narrow lanes. Normally on the Autobahn roadwork sections there are two lanes where the left lane is very narrow and the right lane is a bit wider and since the Tesla is quite wide I normally take the right lane. This section was a bit different because the right lane was used for an exit so I had to use the left lane. The Autopilot did very well for most of the section keeping the car in the middle of the lane between the lane barrier to the left and the line to the right. The left barrier looked like this: http: imgur.com XDvI3Pq A small concrete wall with yellow reflectors sticking out. The Tesla could clearly see the barrier all the time as shown by the side collision warnings (there were no audible warnings while the Autopilot was activated). The barrier was of course very straight but the line was unfortunately not. The accident happened when the lane got a bit wider (a few centimeters) and then shortly after got narrow again. Instead of driving on the line the car swirled to the left and hit the reflectors on the barrier. I immediately deactivated the Autopilot and then the side collision warning sounds began. There were no other cars so there was no reason for Autopilot to prefer to hit the barrier instead of crossing the line a little bit. Ironically I had just read this article: http: www.teslarati.com tesla-autopilot-ultrasonic-sensors-handle-difficult-merging-event Here is a quote: In my mind there is no question that the AP is programmed to give greater priority to avoiding contact with the vehicle than transgressing the lane-marking. Which is apparently not the case for solid lane barriers. Here are some pictures of the damage to the car: http: imgur.com tJKRhfv http: imgur.com kaubiVk I have notified Tesla but I have yet to get a response. I hope they fix this issue. TL DR: The Autopilot chose to hit a solid lane barrier instead of crossing a lane-marking a little bit. | sorry but you used the autopilot on the left side of a construction lane ? i am german myself and driving on the left there is always extremely tight and most human drivers cannot drive there safely due to the constantly changing conditions (cars moving left right the lanes themselves sometimes swaying on a short notice). driving in a construction zone is either right lane (which is wide enough for trucks) and hands-on with full alert. Also because there might be workers running around or debris lying around (which happened to me just last week again). | Assuming your hands were on the wheel at the time could you not see that it was heading for the barrier and yank it back? With the previous version of AP I had a couple of instances where AP didn t see faded exit lines and drifted a little a quick yank and it was out of AP and under my control. | 39 | 4 | 325 |
475m46 | 89 | My Autopilot had an accident I was driving on the A7 Autobahn in the middle of the night heading for the ski resort in Bad Gastein when I came to a roadwork section. I had activated the Autopilot most of the way and it was especially comfortable to use on roadwork sections because of the low speed and narrow lanes. Normally on the Autobahn roadwork sections there are two lanes where the left lane is very narrow and the right lane is a bit wider and since the Tesla is quite wide I normally take the right lane. This section was a bit different because the right lane was used for an exit so I had to use the left lane. The Autopilot did very well for most of the section keeping the car in the middle of the lane between the lane barrier to the left and the line to the right. The left barrier looked like this: http: imgur.com XDvI3Pq A small concrete wall with yellow reflectors sticking out. The Tesla could clearly see the barrier all the time as shown by the side collision warnings (there were no audible warnings while the Autopilot was activated). The barrier was of course very straight but the line was unfortunately not. The accident happened when the lane got a bit wider (a few centimeters) and then shortly after got narrow again. Instead of driving on the line the car swirled to the left and hit the reflectors on the barrier. I immediately deactivated the Autopilot and then the side collision warning sounds began. There were no other cars so there was no reason for Autopilot to prefer to hit the barrier instead of crossing the line a little bit. Ironically I had just read this article: http: www.teslarati.com tesla-autopilot-ultrasonic-sensors-handle-difficult-merging-event Here is a quote: In my mind there is no question that the AP is programmed to give greater priority to avoiding contact with the vehicle than transgressing the lane-marking. Which is apparently not the case for solid lane barriers. Here are some pictures of the damage to the car: http: imgur.com tJKRhfv http: imgur.com kaubiVk I have notified Tesla but I have yet to get a response. I hope they fix this issue. TL DR: The Autopilot chose to hit a solid lane barrier instead of crossing a lane-marking a little bit. | sorry but you used the autopilot on the left side of a construction lane ? i am german myself and driving on the left there is always extremely tight and most human drivers cannot drive there safely due to the constantly changing conditions (cars moving left right the lanes themselves sometimes swaying on a short notice). driving in a construction zone is either right lane (which is wide enough for trucks) and hands-on with full alert. Also because there might be workers running around or debris lying around (which happened to me just last week again). | Autopilot is a beta still (i think) it will be interesting to see how Tesla handles this. I imagine the cars recording data will be able to back you up that this happened because autopilot goofed but do they cover damage cased by autopilot? | 39 | 11 | 326 |
475m46 | 89 | My Autopilot had an accident I was driving on the A7 Autobahn in the middle of the night heading for the ski resort in Bad Gastein when I came to a roadwork section. I had activated the Autopilot most of the way and it was especially comfortable to use on roadwork sections because of the low speed and narrow lanes. Normally on the Autobahn roadwork sections there are two lanes where the left lane is very narrow and the right lane is a bit wider and since the Tesla is quite wide I normally take the right lane. This section was a bit different because the right lane was used for an exit so I had to use the left lane. The Autopilot did very well for most of the section keeping the car in the middle of the lane between the lane barrier to the left and the line to the right. The left barrier looked like this: http: imgur.com XDvI3Pq A small concrete wall with yellow reflectors sticking out. The Tesla could clearly see the barrier all the time as shown by the side collision warnings (there were no audible warnings while the Autopilot was activated). The barrier was of course very straight but the line was unfortunately not. The accident happened when the lane got a bit wider (a few centimeters) and then shortly after got narrow again. Instead of driving on the line the car swirled to the left and hit the reflectors on the barrier. I immediately deactivated the Autopilot and then the side collision warning sounds began. There were no other cars so there was no reason for Autopilot to prefer to hit the barrier instead of crossing the line a little bit. Ironically I had just read this article: http: www.teslarati.com tesla-autopilot-ultrasonic-sensors-handle-difficult-merging-event Here is a quote: In my mind there is no question that the AP is programmed to give greater priority to avoiding contact with the vehicle than transgressing the lane-marking. Which is apparently not the case for solid lane barriers. Here are some pictures of the damage to the car: http: imgur.com tJKRhfv http: imgur.com kaubiVk I have notified Tesla but I have yet to get a response. I hope they fix this issue. TL DR: The Autopilot chose to hit a solid lane barrier instead of crossing a lane-marking a little bit. | You re quite the hero for having AP enabled on these stretches. I ve driven there quite often and I really don t dare to use AP. Seeing how crazy the sensors go when driving near the barriers there s no telling what AP will do. I ve had a few (!) instances where tried to take over only to see there s another car driving a few cm next to me. Quite scary. That said: I m sorry about your damage. Can only imagine how that feels ( | Assuming your hands were on the wheel at the time could you not see that it was heading for the barrier and yank it back? With the previous version of AP I had a couple of instances where AP didn t see faded exit lines and drifted a little a quick yank and it was out of AP and under my control. | 30 | 4 | 327 |
47er3p | 195 | [Official Model 3 Thread] You have a question about the Model 3? Ask it here! Thanks to r StevesRealAccount for suggesting this thread. Considering we are getting a lot of new threads asking similar questions about the Model 3 and its imminent launch on March 31st we will not tolerate them anymore and questions must all be asked here. Our local subreddit experts (that s everyone here BTW) will try to answer your questions but keep in mind little is known about Tesla s third generation vehicle at the moment. You can always use our [wiki for the FAQ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki ). | Concerned about not getting the $7500 tax credit in the US? Sign the petition to extend [here!](https: petitions.whitehouse.gov petition remove-200000-car-cap-set-company-ev-tax-credit-irc-30d) | A couple of questions: I m planning on putting a deposit for a Model 3 in Canada depending on the final price considering just how badly the Canadian dollar has been doing :( Just wondering whether the deposit in Canada would be $1 000 CAD $1 000 USD converted to CAD or some other round number like $1 500 CAD? On another note any word on whether the base model Model 3 will have Autopilot technology? The radar and cameras for Autopilot can t be cheap and I m still surprised that Elon Musk has stuck to the $35 000 price point for the base model all this time. In light of the above I could see the base model not including Autopilot but I may have missed a commitment to the contrary. | 79 | 2 | 328 |
47er3p | 195 | [Official Model 3 Thread] You have a question about the Model 3? Ask it here! Thanks to r StevesRealAccount for suggesting this thread. Considering we are getting a lot of new threads asking similar questions about the Model 3 and its imminent launch on March 31st we will not tolerate them anymore and questions must all be asked here. Our local subreddit experts (that s everyone here BTW) will try to answer your questions but keep in mind little is known about Tesla s third generation vehicle at the moment. You can always use our [wiki for the FAQ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki ). | Concerned about not getting the $7500 tax credit in the US? Sign the petition to extend [here!](https: petitions.whitehouse.gov petition remove-200000-car-cap-set-company-ev-tax-credit-irc-30d) | Does anyone know if or think if it will be big enough to comfortably hold two car seats in the back? | 79 | 2 | 329 |
47er3p | 195 | [Official Model 3 Thread] You have a question about the Model 3? Ask it here! Thanks to r StevesRealAccount for suggesting this thread. Considering we are getting a lot of new threads asking similar questions about the Model 3 and its imminent launch on March 31st we will not tolerate them anymore and questions must all be asked here. Our local subreddit experts (that s everyone here BTW) will try to answer your questions but keep in mind little is known about Tesla s third generation vehicle at the moment. You can always use our [wiki for the FAQ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki ). | Concerned about not getting the $7500 tax credit in the US? Sign the petition to extend [here!](https: petitions.whitehouse.gov petition remove-200000-car-cap-set-company-ev-tax-credit-irc-30d) | Can you sell your reservation or is it purely refund only? | 79 | 2 | 330 |
4aznq1 | 796 | Warning!!! Think twice before ordering a Tesla Model 3 [Update - 3 20 2016 added item #4 below] Warning!!! Think twice before ordering a Tesla Model 3. Tesla has stated that Models 3 will share many of the qualities of the Model S. As a current Model S owner I want to provide a warning to those considering purchasing a Model 3 of some things you should know before you order a Tesla: 1. You will grow to love your Tesla more than you love your family (spouse kids even Mom)...no joke...and depending on the day even more than your loyal dog. You ask why is that bad? Because it s not normal to want to take a long drive in your Tesla (with no particular place to go) rather than watching your son play a ball game. Tesla took it too far in this regard...IMO. Whatever average millage your diving in your today car that millage will go minimum 2X after you purchase your Tesla. “Tesla Driving Addiction” is a real thing not to be taken lightly. 2. If you are an enthusiast of traditional cars (a gearhead) you will lose all interest in those traditional cars after owning a Tesla. You will view every other car as a relic of a bygone age not worthy of your attention. If you currently have a second “fun car” you keep in the garage that car will become a garage orphan. You ask why is that bad? Because as much as you may try to avoid it you will become a “Tesla snob” (a person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to those of other people). By this I mean you will feel all others not owning a Tesla (that can afford to own one)are simply stupid (or more delicately said naive)...you know your Tesla is a much superior car...the best car. 3. You will be washing your Tesla way more often than your current car…and doing it yourself by hand because you won t trust anyone else to do it right. Washing your Tesla not because she needs washing but because she wants washing. 4. [update - added per commented by @Major_Mollusk] ***SPECIAL WARNING if you have a spouse significant-other. Tesla Motors will provide you a MyTesla personalized online account so you can track the build and delivery status of your Tesla and after delivery MyTesla serves as a resource center providing instructional manuals videos software update notes and other useful information relating to your car. You will visit this MyTesla portal often. In big bold letters at the top left corner of the MyTesla account page you will see [Your Name] s Tesla. (i.e. Joe Smith s Tesla) displayed...so that who the Tesla belongs to is CLEARLY identified. Shortly after you receive your Tesla the My part of MyTesla becomes an obvious glaring misnomer and you quickly become increasingly resentful each time you see “[Your Name] s Tesla” on the MyTesla portal page. Why? Because your spouse will coax extort use of your Tesla to the point it as well be considered OurTesla and so the MyTesla with your name clearly marked at the top serves to rub in the injustice of it all. It starts innocently.... hey honey since you are sick and staying at home today can I drive the Tesla (note spouse has omitted your making our implied) to work just for today? Before long your spouse has found the spare Tesla key fob you hid deep in the back of a drawer…and worse yet downloaded the Tesla Motors Mobile App onto her phone that allows her to remotely monitor the location and take remote command (for some functions) of the no longer My Tesla. Assuming you desire to preserve a positive relationship with your spouse there is only one remedy...you buy a second Tesla. I believe Tesla Motors knows full well they are setting you up for this...yeah I m sure they know…but they don t upfront warn you of this before you purchase the first Tesla. I know you may be thinking that some of these things will not carry over to the smaller and less expensive Tesla Model 3. They will. You have been warned! Enjoy your Model 3! Based on my experience with my Model S I m confident Tesla will build you the best car you have ever owned. < < disclosure: I m in no way affiliated with Tesla Motors other than a Model S owner> > | Let me add... 4. ***Special Warning*** to couples who own one Tesla: You and your SO can expect horrible custody battles and fights about whose turn it is today. (e.g. You re filthy liar I drove the Camry yesterday! ) | I knew there were some major pitfalls I had to be aware of. Thanks! | 63 | 3 | 331 |
4aznq1 | 796 | Warning!!! Think twice before ordering a Tesla Model 3 [Update - 3 20 2016 added item #4 below] Warning!!! Think twice before ordering a Tesla Model 3. Tesla has stated that Models 3 will share many of the qualities of the Model S. As a current Model S owner I want to provide a warning to those considering purchasing a Model 3 of some things you should know before you order a Tesla: 1. You will grow to love your Tesla more than you love your family (spouse kids even Mom)...no joke...and depending on the day even more than your loyal dog. You ask why is that bad? Because it s not normal to want to take a long drive in your Tesla (with no particular place to go) rather than watching your son play a ball game. Tesla took it too far in this regard...IMO. Whatever average millage your diving in your today car that millage will go minimum 2X after you purchase your Tesla. “Tesla Driving Addiction” is a real thing not to be taken lightly. 2. If you are an enthusiast of traditional cars (a gearhead) you will lose all interest in those traditional cars after owning a Tesla. You will view every other car as a relic of a bygone age not worthy of your attention. If you currently have a second “fun car” you keep in the garage that car will become a garage orphan. You ask why is that bad? Because as much as you may try to avoid it you will become a “Tesla snob” (a person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to those of other people). By this I mean you will feel all others not owning a Tesla (that can afford to own one)are simply stupid (or more delicately said naive)...you know your Tesla is a much superior car...the best car. 3. You will be washing your Tesla way more often than your current car…and doing it yourself by hand because you won t trust anyone else to do it right. Washing your Tesla not because she needs washing but because she wants washing. 4. [update - added per commented by @Major_Mollusk] ***SPECIAL WARNING if you have a spouse significant-other. Tesla Motors will provide you a MyTesla personalized online account so you can track the build and delivery status of your Tesla and after delivery MyTesla serves as a resource center providing instructional manuals videos software update notes and other useful information relating to your car. You will visit this MyTesla portal often. In big bold letters at the top left corner of the MyTesla account page you will see [Your Name] s Tesla. (i.e. Joe Smith s Tesla) displayed...so that who the Tesla belongs to is CLEARLY identified. Shortly after you receive your Tesla the My part of MyTesla becomes an obvious glaring misnomer and you quickly become increasingly resentful each time you see “[Your Name] s Tesla” on the MyTesla portal page. Why? Because your spouse will coax extort use of your Tesla to the point it as well be considered OurTesla and so the MyTesla with your name clearly marked at the top serves to rub in the injustice of it all. It starts innocently.... hey honey since you are sick and staying at home today can I drive the Tesla (note spouse has omitted your making our implied) to work just for today? Before long your spouse has found the spare Tesla key fob you hid deep in the back of a drawer…and worse yet downloaded the Tesla Motors Mobile App onto her phone that allows her to remotely monitor the location and take remote command (for some functions) of the no longer My Tesla. Assuming you desire to preserve a positive relationship with your spouse there is only one remedy...you buy a second Tesla. I believe Tesla Motors knows full well they are setting you up for this...yeah I m sure they know…but they don t upfront warn you of this before you purchase the first Tesla. I know you may be thinking that some of these things will not carry over to the smaller and less expensive Tesla Model 3. They will. You have been warned! Enjoy your Model 3! Based on my experience with my Model S I m confident Tesla will build you the best car you have ever owned. < < disclosure: I m in no way affiliated with Tesla Motors other than a Model S owner> > | Let me add... 4. ***Special Warning*** to couples who own one Tesla: You and your SO can expect horrible custody battles and fights about whose turn it is today. (e.g. You re filthy liar I drove the Camry yesterday! ) | LMAO. I was really about to downvote you until i read it..Classic | 63 | 4 | 332 |
4aznq1 | 796 | Warning!!! Think twice before ordering a Tesla Model 3 [Update - 3 20 2016 added item #4 below] Warning!!! Think twice before ordering a Tesla Model 3. Tesla has stated that Models 3 will share many of the qualities of the Model S. As a current Model S owner I want to provide a warning to those considering purchasing a Model 3 of some things you should know before you order a Tesla: 1. You will grow to love your Tesla more than you love your family (spouse kids even Mom)...no joke...and depending on the day even more than your loyal dog. You ask why is that bad? Because it s not normal to want to take a long drive in your Tesla (with no particular place to go) rather than watching your son play a ball game. Tesla took it too far in this regard...IMO. Whatever average millage your diving in your today car that millage will go minimum 2X after you purchase your Tesla. “Tesla Driving Addiction” is a real thing not to be taken lightly. 2. If you are an enthusiast of traditional cars (a gearhead) you will lose all interest in those traditional cars after owning a Tesla. You will view every other car as a relic of a bygone age not worthy of your attention. If you currently have a second “fun car” you keep in the garage that car will become a garage orphan. You ask why is that bad? Because as much as you may try to avoid it you will become a “Tesla snob” (a person who believes that their tastes in a particular area are superior to those of other people). By this I mean you will feel all others not owning a Tesla (that can afford to own one)are simply stupid (or more delicately said naive)...you know your Tesla is a much superior car...the best car. 3. You will be washing your Tesla way more often than your current car…and doing it yourself by hand because you won t trust anyone else to do it right. Washing your Tesla not because she needs washing but because she wants washing. 4. [update - added per commented by @Major_Mollusk] ***SPECIAL WARNING if you have a spouse significant-other. Tesla Motors will provide you a MyTesla personalized online account so you can track the build and delivery status of your Tesla and after delivery MyTesla serves as a resource center providing instructional manuals videos software update notes and other useful information relating to your car. You will visit this MyTesla portal often. In big bold letters at the top left corner of the MyTesla account page you will see [Your Name] s Tesla. (i.e. Joe Smith s Tesla) displayed...so that who the Tesla belongs to is CLEARLY identified. Shortly after you receive your Tesla the My part of MyTesla becomes an obvious glaring misnomer and you quickly become increasingly resentful each time you see “[Your Name] s Tesla” on the MyTesla portal page. Why? Because your spouse will coax extort use of your Tesla to the point it as well be considered OurTesla and so the MyTesla with your name clearly marked at the top serves to rub in the injustice of it all. It starts innocently.... hey honey since you are sick and staying at home today can I drive the Tesla (note spouse has omitted your making our implied) to work just for today? Before long your spouse has found the spare Tesla key fob you hid deep in the back of a drawer…and worse yet downloaded the Tesla Motors Mobile App onto her phone that allows her to remotely monitor the location and take remote command (for some functions) of the no longer My Tesla. Assuming you desire to preserve a positive relationship with your spouse there is only one remedy...you buy a second Tesla. I believe Tesla Motors knows full well they are setting you up for this...yeah I m sure they know…but they don t upfront warn you of this before you purchase the first Tesla. I know you may be thinking that some of these things will not carry over to the smaller and less expensive Tesla Model 3. They will. You have been warned! Enjoy your Model 3! Based on my experience with my Model S I m confident Tesla will build you the best car you have ever owned. < < disclosure: I m in no way affiliated with Tesla Motors other than a Model S owner> > | Let me add... 4. ***Special Warning*** to couples who own one Tesla: You and your SO can expect horrible custody battles and fights about whose turn it is today. (e.g. You re filthy liar I drove the Camry yesterday! ) | Well done. | 63 | 4 | 333 |
4b7yj4 | 165 | I test drove a Model S in anticipation of ordering reveal of Model 3 what a mistake that was because now I m trying to figure out ways to get into the MS. I had never been in an S before only seen pictures videos and followed the news of the company as I am a general Tech Car enthusiast. I m not a big spender on myself and it probably won t happen but like previously mentioned similarly driving a Model S is like no other experience it is an experience similar to when you owned your first car or were able to drive on your own. I m lucky enough to have a Tesla Gallery near me and my office is nearby the mall where the Gallery is as well. I test drove the 90d about two weeks ago for the first time ever and it was simply amazing. I do plan on going in again and test driving the vehicle as well as they told me they can place the 90d in a S 70 configuration (demo) where the car will drive like the 70 and on rear wheel drive (almost unbelievable) so that I can see if the 90d was just a pipe dream because of the power and 4 wheel drive and if I will like the way the S 70 feels. I currently drive a BMW 5 series (that is all but sold already) and have become accustomed to the larger car however the S 70 is just outside of my budget and the fact that the MODEL 3 is late 2017 will absolutely drive me nuts...I will have to find some alternative to this childish want of this car. | I had a similar experience. I was like electric cars? Meh. But then one day while I was bored at the mall I test drove a plain 85. | It seems unlikely that people who are not current owners or employees will take deliveries in Models E in the first six months. Why? A lot of learning lies ahead. Battery production capacity supply chain ramp-up increased levels of assembly automation inexperience in multi-shift high-volume assembly learning curve pressures to ship-the-s*** versus initial quality and working capital management. | 47 | 3 | 334 |
4b7yj4 | 165 | I test drove a Model S in anticipation of ordering reveal of Model 3 what a mistake that was because now I m trying to figure out ways to get into the MS. I had never been in an S before only seen pictures videos and followed the news of the company as I am a general Tech Car enthusiast. I m not a big spender on myself and it probably won t happen but like previously mentioned similarly driving a Model S is like no other experience it is an experience similar to when you owned your first car or were able to drive on your own. I m lucky enough to have a Tesla Gallery near me and my office is nearby the mall where the Gallery is as well. I test drove the 90d about two weeks ago for the first time ever and it was simply amazing. I do plan on going in again and test driving the vehicle as well as they told me they can place the 90d in a S 70 configuration (demo) where the car will drive like the 70 and on rear wheel drive (almost unbelievable) so that I can see if the 90d was just a pipe dream because of the power and 4 wheel drive and if I will like the way the S 70 feels. I currently drive a BMW 5 series (that is all but sold already) and have become accustomed to the larger car however the S 70 is just outside of my budget and the fact that the MODEL 3 is late 2017 will absolutely drive me nuts...I will have to find some alternative to this childish want of this car. | Even if you can t afford it TEST DRIVE ONE. Come on you could get hit by a bus tomorrow don t you want to feel the future *now*? ) | It seems unlikely that people who are not current owners or employees will take deliveries in Models E in the first six months. Why? A lot of learning lies ahead. Battery production capacity supply chain ramp-up increased levels of assembly automation inexperience in multi-shift high-volume assembly learning curve pressures to ship-the-s*** versus initial quality and working capital management. | 35 | 3 | 335 |
4b7yj4 | 165 | I test drove a Model S in anticipation of ordering reveal of Model 3 what a mistake that was because now I m trying to figure out ways to get into the MS. I had never been in an S before only seen pictures videos and followed the news of the company as I am a general Tech Car enthusiast. I m not a big spender on myself and it probably won t happen but like previously mentioned similarly driving a Model S is like no other experience it is an experience similar to when you owned your first car or were able to drive on your own. I m lucky enough to have a Tesla Gallery near me and my office is nearby the mall where the Gallery is as well. I test drove the 90d about two weeks ago for the first time ever and it was simply amazing. I do plan on going in again and test driving the vehicle as well as they told me they can place the 90d in a S 70 configuration (demo) where the car will drive like the 70 and on rear wheel drive (almost unbelievable) so that I can see if the 90d was just a pipe dream because of the power and 4 wheel drive and if I will like the way the S 70 feels. I currently drive a BMW 5 series (that is all but sold already) and have become accustomed to the larger car however the S 70 is just outside of my budget and the fact that the MODEL 3 is late 2017 will absolutely drive me nuts...I will have to find some alternative to this childish want of this car. | I had a similar experience. I was like electric cars? Meh. But then one day while I was bored at the mall I test drove a plain 85. | Aww man you know you did this on purpose. You wouldn t have test driven a 911 Turbo with the thought of buying a Boxter would you? I d keep my eyes on the CPO market if I was you. You are going to start seeing 70D s with A P for under $60k soon - possibly $50k. If you are in a 5-Series now the cost will be less overall for the 70D than what you are paying now. (After gas oil etc) And that late 2017 number is going to be for a select few people.. If you aren t a current owner of an S you will likely not get a 3 until mid-end of 2018. | 47 | 17 | 336 |
4bteh1 | 501 | Tesla Owners: What s your Frunk Trunk strategy? Do you keep them both empty most of the time? Do you use the extra space for an emergency survival kit? Is there anything you keep in your car now that you wouldn t in a regular vehicle due to space constraints? | Trunk: Underneath the liner in the very back I keep snacks water a 30-ft extension cable (I know you re not supposed to but it s the 12A one the risk is minimal) an emergency blanket and some cleaning stuff (in case the wiper fluid runs out or if the rear view camera gets gunked up). Most of that s come in handy at least once already. Frunk: [A ball pit](http: i.imgur.com gaQSg7E.jpg). Because Amazon 1-click and drinking is a dangerous combo. Turned out to be handy for hanging out and surprisingly good at transporting glassware and drinks and other fragile stuff since they ve got a bunch of padding. | Most of the time they re empty - but extra handy on trips. More space! Old car had a bottle of windshield washer fluid some oil a wrench crap like that. I still keep the windshield washer fluid in the space under the floor. | 3,413 | 8 | 337 |
4bteh1 | 501 | Tesla Owners: What s your Frunk Trunk strategy? Do you keep them both empty most of the time? Do you use the extra space for an emergency survival kit? Is there anything you keep in your car now that you wouldn t in a regular vehicle due to space constraints? | I don t keep anything in the frunk most of the time. I do enjoy going to the grocery store or home depot and loading stuff up in there and seeing all the questioning faces as people drive by. In the trunk I have the tire repair kit some cleaning supplies (and lint roller) and my cord adapters. I really love all the space in the car. It can carry a LOT of stuff. My favorite part is probably the square space under the mat in the trunk. It is the perfect size for like 4 grocery bags and they fit snug and won t tip over at all. The most attention I ve ever received on my car was when I went to Home Depot with my wife for plant gardening supplies. We ended up getting a few trees 6 bags of dirt a couple bushes a large trellis and various herb vegetables for the garden. The home depot guy laughed when I pulled up my car but then he (and a group of a few people) were amazed when everything fit it no problem. They all thought I was going to run out of space for a few bags of dirt and some plants until I opened the frunk. | I have an 85d with the small frunk. It holds my UMC charger since I have an HPWC in my garage. I have a 25 NEMA 14-50 extension cord and several power cord adapters for dryer outlets and the like. I have a tire inflators goo squirted. I have a can of glass cleaner and a pile of microfiber towels. The trunk usually holds a folding chair for use at parks & kids ball games. And my stash of reusable grocery bags. | 64 | 7 | 338 |
4bteh1 | 501 | Tesla Owners: What s your Frunk Trunk strategy? Do you keep them both empty most of the time? Do you use the extra space for an emergency survival kit? Is there anything you keep in your car now that you wouldn t in a regular vehicle due to space constraints? | I don t keep anything in the frunk most of the time. I do enjoy going to the grocery store or home depot and loading stuff up in there and seeing all the questioning faces as people drive by. In the trunk I have the tire repair kit some cleaning supplies (and lint roller) and my cord adapters. I really love all the space in the car. It can carry a LOT of stuff. My favorite part is probably the square space under the mat in the trunk. It is the perfect size for like 4 grocery bags and they fit snug and won t tip over at all. The most attention I ve ever received on my car was when I went to Home Depot with my wife for plant gardening supplies. We ended up getting a few trees 6 bags of dirt a couple bushes a large trellis and various herb vegetables for the garden. The home depot guy laughed when I pulled up my car but then he (and a group of a few people) were amazed when everything fit it no problem. They all thought I was going to run out of space for a few bags of dirt and some plants until I opened the frunk. | Most of the time they re empty - but extra handy on trips. More space! Old car had a bottle of windshield washer fluid some oil a wrench crap like that. I still keep the windshield washer fluid in the space under the floor. | 64 | 8 | 339 |
4cb2ki | 114 | Considering the interest it s remarkable that Tesla has concealed basically everything about the Model 3. Can you imagine that NONE of the people working on it or that have undoubtedly seen it around the corporate campus have leaked... ANYTHING? We know basically nothing right now except what Elon himself has said. That is pretty remarkable honestly. | One **huge** difference is Apple is usually revealing a product very close to the release date. They already have them in production or at least are ramping up production by the time they reveal them. The Model 3 isn t going into production until late 2017 (at best). What they are revealing is basically an early prototype. A lot fewer people (and probably no outside companies) need to be involved at this stage compared to if they were getting ready to begin production. | Yea.. It s annoying.. A good leak would have been nice here and there..... But only a couple days left! | 37 | 2 | 340 |
4cb2ki | 114 | Considering the interest it s remarkable that Tesla has concealed basically everything about the Model 3. Can you imagine that NONE of the people working on it or that have undoubtedly seen it around the corporate campus have leaked... ANYTHING? We know basically nothing right now except what Elon himself has said. That is pretty remarkable honestly. | One **huge** difference is Apple is usually revealing a product very close to the release date. They already have them in production or at least are ramping up production by the time they reveal them. The Model 3 isn t going into production until late 2017 (at best). What they are revealing is basically an early prototype. A lot fewer people (and probably no outside companies) need to be involved at this stage compared to if they were getting ready to begin production. | The Model 3 is certainly going to be Tesla s most popular car but cars never garner the attention of the general public like consumer electronics do. I can t imagine the kickbacks or whatever you could get out of leaking this outweigh the risks. If I were a Tesla employee I certainly wouldn t. | 37 | 4 | 341 |
4cb2ki | 114 | Considering the interest it s remarkable that Tesla has concealed basically everything about the Model 3. Can you imagine that NONE of the people working on it or that have undoubtedly seen it around the corporate campus have leaked... ANYTHING? We know basically nothing right now except what Elon himself has said. That is pretty remarkable honestly. | One **huge** difference is Apple is usually revealing a product very close to the release date. They already have them in production or at least are ramping up production by the time they reveal them. The Model 3 isn t going into production until late 2017 (at best). What they are revealing is basically an early prototype. A lot fewer people (and probably no outside companies) need to be involved at this stage compared to if they were getting ready to begin production. | They probably have about 30 people that have seen the final model 3 with everything integrated. Since not everybody that works on the design studio needs to see the whole car or they don t know which one is going to be the final version. | 37 | 4 | 342 |
4cg0xg | 26 | Do you even want to see a Model 3 leaked image at this point? Big hat-tip to Elon and team for keeping it secret all this time despite enormous public and investor interest. Even though I m eager to see it I kind of want there to be no leak before Thursday s event. There s something about experiencing it with the rest of the world that makes it seem more significant. With that said I ll click just about any link between now and Thursday night if it links to supposed Model 3 pictures -- real or rendered. | Nah I wanna wait for it to drive onstage while elon akwardly looks around | Nope. I think it ll be kinda cool for me to say that I put money down before I even saw it. It ll show my dedication to this awesome technology. | 54 | 7 | 343 |
4cg0xg | 26 | Do you even want to see a Model 3 leaked image at this point? Big hat-tip to Elon and team for keeping it secret all this time despite enormous public and investor interest. Even though I m eager to see it I kind of want there to be no leak before Thursday s event. There s something about experiencing it with the rest of the world that makes it seem more significant. With that said I ll click just about any link between now and Thursday night if it links to supposed Model 3 pictures -- real or rendered. | Nah I wanna wait for it to drive onstage while elon akwardly looks around | I d definitely like to see it to save myself a two hour drive to preorder if I happen to hate the way it looks. | 54 | 11 | 344 |
4cg0xg | 26 | Do you even want to see a Model 3 leaked image at this point? Big hat-tip to Elon and team for keeping it secret all this time despite enormous public and investor interest. Even though I m eager to see it I kind of want there to be no leak before Thursday s event. There s something about experiencing it with the rest of the world that makes it seem more significant. With that said I ll click just about any link between now and Thursday night if it links to supposed Model 3 pictures -- real or rendered. | Nah I wanna wait for it to drive onstage while elon akwardly looks around | At this point? No. Maybe a few months back but now were down to days and my patience is firm. | 54 | 12 | 345 |
4cnwx7 | 395 | [Official Thread] Model 3 unveil - every post in here please [livestream at 8:30 PM PT - 3:30am UTC] Today Tesla will take an important step in Elon Musk s [secret master plan](https: www.teslamotors.com en_CA blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me) by unveiling its first mass market car: the Model 3. When: March 31st 8:30 PM PT - 3:30am UTC Where: Tesla s Design Studio in Hawthorne California Livestream: Tesla.com If you want to reserve the vehicle here s [everything you need to know](https: www.teslamotors.com blog reserving-model-3). _____________________ **Update:** Elon Musk confirmed that online orders will now start one hour early for fear that it will overload Tesla s server if combined with the livestream: now 7:30pm PT- 2:30 UTC ______________________ Please keep all post related to the Model 3 and the event in here. This is particularly important since the sub blew up in the past few days and it s becoming more difficult to moderate. You can change your sorted by option to new in order to more easily participate in the conversation. If you have a question about the Model 3 it was probably already answered in [our formerly stickied thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 47er3p official_model_3_thread_you_have_a_question_about ). Have fun! IRC channel by u _y2b_ https: snoonet.org webchat Channel: #teslamotors | I know no one will probably see this at this point but I m proud to say that my first comment ever on Reddit is me getting to say that I reserved a Model 3!!! | So...has the Model 3 hype officially killed TMC? | 206 | 2 | 346 |
4cnwx7 | 395 | [Official Thread] Model 3 unveil - every post in here please [livestream at 8:30 PM PT - 3:30am UTC] Today Tesla will take an important step in Elon Musk s [secret master plan](https: www.teslamotors.com en_CA blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me) by unveiling its first mass market car: the Model 3. When: March 31st 8:30 PM PT - 3:30am UTC Where: Tesla s Design Studio in Hawthorne California Livestream: Tesla.com If you want to reserve the vehicle here s [everything you need to know](https: www.teslamotors.com blog reserving-model-3). _____________________ **Update:** Elon Musk confirmed that online orders will now start one hour early for fear that it will overload Tesla s server if combined with the livestream: now 7:30pm PT- 2:30 UTC ______________________ Please keep all post related to the Model 3 and the event in here. This is particularly important since the sub blew up in the past few days and it s becoming more difficult to moderate. You can change your sorted by option to new in order to more easily participate in the conversation. If you have a question about the Model 3 it was probably already answered in [our formerly stickied thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 47er3p official_model_3_thread_you_have_a_question_about ). Have fun! IRC channel by u _y2b_ https: snoonet.org webchat Channel: #teslamotors | I know no one will probably see this at this point but I m proud to say that my first comment ever on Reddit is me getting to say that I reserved a Model 3!!! | I m going to order a model 3 just to make you all behind in the que by 1. *evil villainous laugh* | 206 | 2 | 347 |
4cnwx7 | 395 | [Official Thread] Model 3 unveil - every post in here please [livestream at 8:30 PM PT - 3:30am UTC] Today Tesla will take an important step in Elon Musk s [secret master plan](https: www.teslamotors.com en_CA blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me) by unveiling its first mass market car: the Model 3. When: March 31st 8:30 PM PT - 3:30am UTC Where: Tesla s Design Studio in Hawthorne California Livestream: Tesla.com If you want to reserve the vehicle here s [everything you need to know](https: www.teslamotors.com blog reserving-model-3). _____________________ **Update:** Elon Musk confirmed that online orders will now start one hour early for fear that it will overload Tesla s server if combined with the livestream: now 7:30pm PT- 2:30 UTC ______________________ Please keep all post related to the Model 3 and the event in here. This is particularly important since the sub blew up in the past few days and it s becoming more difficult to moderate. You can change your sorted by option to new in order to more easily participate in the conversation. If you have a question about the Model 3 it was probably already answered in [our formerly stickied thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 47er3p official_model_3_thread_you_have_a_question_about ). Have fun! IRC channel by u _y2b_ https: snoonet.org webchat Channel: #teslamotors | I know no one will probably see this at this point but I m proud to say that my first comment ever on Reddit is me getting to say that I reserved a Model 3!!! | One hour to open and Tesla west grand in Chicago is up to 60 people and counting. http: imgur.com mdqtTPA | 206 | 2 | 348 |
4crckm | 153 | Oh to be a fly on the wall in the board rooms of the other car companies right now ... Some potential conversations include: Jones has been nagging my ear off for 7 years about us needing to design and manufacture a cool electric vehicle ... i ll never hear the end of it now. I ve gathered you all hear to ask one simple question: What can we come up with by the end of the day? Dammit! I never expected the cookies! | They re treating it like it s a damn iPhone. That s not how you sell cars at all. They don t even have a product. All these unfulfilled orders will bankrupt them. Sure people are pre-ordering it but most of them will cancel and the ones that stick around won t help them because the thing will cost too much to make. Hah! They re going to drive themselves out of business. OR Go ahead and pull the trigger on that leveraged buyout. We need to own 51% of this thing by market close confirm our seats on the board by 7 pm local and have the CEO replaced by 8. | I can imagine them saying something like This isn t real it s a PR stunt . Ha! | 70 | 22 | 349 |
4crckm | 153 | Oh to be a fly on the wall in the board rooms of the other car companies right now ... Some potential conversations include: Jones has been nagging my ear off for 7 years about us needing to design and manufacture a cool electric vehicle ... i ll never hear the end of it now. I ve gathered you all hear to ask one simple question: What can we come up with by the end of the day? Dammit! I never expected the cookies! | One of the best aspects of buying a Tesla is NOT dealing with dealerships. It s one of those things that amaze me every day in the business corporate world is watching companies treat their customers poorly and then being shocked when some new company breaks their model by *gasp* treating their customers well. I am completely ok with never spending another minute in a GM dealership. | Ford sold 3 million vehicles last year. | 48 | 4 | 350 |
4crckm | 153 | Oh to be a fly on the wall in the board rooms of the other car companies right now ... Some potential conversations include: Jones has been nagging my ear off for 7 years about us needing to design and manufacture a cool electric vehicle ... i ll never hear the end of it now. I ve gathered you all hear to ask one simple question: What can we come up with by the end of the day? Dammit! I never expected the cookies! | One of the best aspects of buying a Tesla is NOT dealing with dealerships. It s one of those things that amaze me every day in the business corporate world is watching companies treat their customers poorly and then being shocked when some new company breaks their model by *gasp* treating their customers well. I am completely ok with never spending another minute in a GM dealership. | http: i.imgur.com lfIWF5N.gif | 48 | 8 | 351 |
4cs8bp | 249 | I know this will get buried today due to Model 3 but finally got hers (MX) home to match his (MS). Took delivery of our X today. I ve had the S since Feb of 2013. I have to say sitting right next to each other the X is a gorgeous car. The S nose cone looks like some kind of drunk fish where the X looks like some kind of bad-ass shark. Of course while at the delivery we also placed an order for a Model 3! http: i.imgur.com Ic8fwcB.jpg | Congrats. Memorable day to have taken delivery! | Congrats! | 29 | 2 | 352 |
4csxs2 | 58 | Wired.com posts 2 anti-Tesla articles in 1 day I m not posting the links as I don t want to give them clicks (Google the title of interested) but I didn t think wired.com was going to be the platform for the previously announced EV attacks: > Sorry But Don t Expect Your Tesla Model 3 to Cost Under $30K and > Tesla s Electric Cars Aren t as Green as You Might Think wow just wow | > Sorry But Don t Expect Your Tesla Model 3 to Cost Under $30K Yeah no shit Wired. It s $35K and up. What s your point? This is not new. | Lol | 57 | 2 | 353 |
4csxs2 | 58 | Wired.com posts 2 anti-Tesla articles in 1 day I m not posting the links as I don t want to give them clicks (Google the title of interested) but I didn t think wired.com was going to be the platform for the previously announced EV attacks: > Sorry But Don t Expect Your Tesla Model 3 to Cost Under $30K and > Tesla s Electric Cars Aren t as Green as You Might Think wow just wow | > Sorry But Don t Expect Your Tesla Model 3 to Cost Under $30K Yeah no shit Wired. It s $35K and up. What s your point? This is not new. | Yeah I saw that. I m wondering what s going on over there. I used to love Wired for intelligent articles but in the last few years they ve fallen off a cliff in quality. They re horrendous. Also now they have that annoying adblocker detector that doesn t let you view more than a single article without turning off your adblocker. | 57 | 13 | 354 |
4csxs2 | 58 | Wired.com posts 2 anti-Tesla articles in 1 day I m not posting the links as I don t want to give them clicks (Google the title of interested) but I didn t think wired.com was going to be the platform for the previously announced EV attacks: > Sorry But Don t Expect Your Tesla Model 3 to Cost Under $30K and > Tesla s Electric Cars Aren t as Green as You Might Think wow just wow | wired.com bashing one of the only cars out there that is *TRULY* wired. Much irony. | Lol | 31 | 2 | 355 |
4ctsix | 186 | It looks gorgeous Holy smokes the new 3 looks nice. The front looks like a sharks nose. The navigation system is the best part of it. Looks to be around a 25 inch flat screen. | Cross between a Porsche modern VW Beetle and a Model X | 😍 | 75 | 2 | 356 |
4ctsix | 186 | It looks gorgeous Holy smokes the new 3 looks nice. The front looks like a sharks nose. The navigation system is the best part of it. Looks to be around a 25 inch flat screen. | Cross between a Porsche modern VW Beetle and a Model X | is there a pic of it with body panels? | 75 | 3 | 357 |
4ctsix | 186 | It looks gorgeous Holy smokes the new 3 looks nice. The front looks like a sharks nose. The navigation system is the best part of it. Looks to be around a 25 inch flat screen. | Cross between a Porsche modern VW Beetle and a Model X | This is a extraordinary moment! it s going to be a historical car. Please let it beginning of the end for ICE. | 75 | 5 | 358 |
4ctsvt | 541 | Did Elon say 115 000 cars ordered today?! If so extreme congratulations to him and Tesla. Truly amazing! | So much for that tax credit.... | That s what I heard. | 131 | 2 | 359 |
4ctsvt | 541 | Did Elon say 115 000 cars ordered today?! If so extreme congratulations to him and Tesla. Truly amazing! | So much for that tax credit.... | 158000 i think | 131 | 3 | 360 |
4ctsvt | 541 | Did Elon say 115 000 cars ordered today?! If so extreme congratulations to him and Tesla. Truly amazing! | So much for that tax credit.... | I heard 115k | 131 | 7 | 361 |
4ctt2k | 175 | Tesla Model 3 Specs (Base Model) 1. 5 Star Safety Rating in all Categories 2. 215 Mile minimum EPA range 3. 0-60 in under 6 seconds1 4. Larger control screen than Model S 5. Included Autopilot safety and features 6. Included Supercharger Capability 7. 115 000 ALREADY ORDERED!!! 8. Looks Awesome!!! 9. Pictures: https: imgur.com kXSTsBV pPt6hbt EfE0d3k XnJKm6d gGxIHK4 3cZ6DG2 32ra3DZ f309ZUW DvDTvVD JWNOY30 q6eyXtg ITi6L2e kPrUv0j 74O1M7K?forcedesktop=1 | This is totally gonna be the first car I buy after college | That control screen was taken right off the set from Star Trek... you can film a Sci-Fi movie in that car. | 56 | 6 | 362 |
4ctt2k | 175 | Tesla Model 3 Specs (Base Model) 1. 5 Star Safety Rating in all Categories 2. 215 Mile minimum EPA range 3. 0-60 in under 6 seconds1 4. Larger control screen than Model S 5. Included Autopilot safety and features 6. Included Supercharger Capability 7. 115 000 ALREADY ORDERED!!! 8. Looks Awesome!!! 9. Pictures: https: imgur.com kXSTsBV pPt6hbt EfE0d3k XnJKm6d gGxIHK4 3cZ6DG2 32ra3DZ f309ZUW DvDTvVD JWNOY30 q6eyXtg ITi6L2e kPrUv0j 74O1M7K?forcedesktop=1 | This is totally gonna be the first car I buy after college | The model 3 is definitely going to hurt model s sales... | 56 | 7 | 363 |
4ctt2k | 175 | Tesla Model 3 Specs (Base Model) 1. 5 Star Safety Rating in all Categories 2. 215 Mile minimum EPA range 3. 0-60 in under 6 seconds1 4. Larger control screen than Model S 5. Included Autopilot safety and features 6. Included Supercharger Capability 7. 115 000 ALREADY ORDERED!!! 8. Looks Awesome!!! 9. Pictures: https: imgur.com kXSTsBV pPt6hbt EfE0d3k XnJKm6d gGxIHK4 3cZ6DG2 32ra3DZ f309ZUW DvDTvVD JWNOY30 q6eyXtg ITi6L2e kPrUv0j 74O1M7K?forcedesktop=1 | This is totally gonna be the first car I buy after college | IT S BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! | 56 | 10 | 364 |
4ctygg | 263 | I just got a ride in the Model 3 and was here for the launch. Happy to answer your questions. AMA. Hi there I m the EiC of CNET s Roadshow. I attended the Tesla launch event tonight and just got out of the Model 3. I thought everyone might have some questions so I hope you don t mind my starting this thread. My general impressions are here: http: www.cnet.com products 2018-tesla-model-3 Any specific questions? Please hit me. | Dashboard... Unfinished? Plans for a HUD? Everything through the center screen? | How was the comfort level? | 84 | 20 | 365 |
4ctygg | 263 | I just got a ride in the Model 3 and was here for the launch. Happy to answer your questions. AMA. Hi there I m the EiC of CNET s Roadshow. I attended the Tesla launch event tonight and just got out of the Model 3. I thought everyone might have some questions so I hope you don t mind my starting this thread. My general impressions are here: http: www.cnet.com products 2018-tesla-model-3 Any specific questions? Please hit me. | How s the sound system? | How the big windshield feels like? | 31 | 2 | 366 |
4ctygg | 263 | I just got a ride in the Model 3 and was here for the launch. Happy to answer your questions. AMA. Hi there I m the EiC of CNET s Roadshow. I attended the Tesla launch event tonight and just got out of the Model 3. I thought everyone might have some questions so I hope you don t mind my starting this thread. My general impressions are here: http: www.cnet.com products 2018-tesla-model-3 Any specific questions? Please hit me. | I find the lack of dashboard eerie. How did you feel about it? I suppose Tesla was pushing the sense of space inside the car as much as possible | How was the comfort level? | 46 | 20 | 367 |
4cynxd | 190 | Waited in line yesterday but after seeing the reveal the Model 3 isn t for me. How do I get my deposit back? . . . . . . . . .... .. .. . . .... .... .... Yeah right. April Fools. I want the car yesterday! (Hey at least I didn t trick you into emailing Minions to your boss) | *golf clap* | Watch out the buddy almost got banned from r teslamotors. ) | 87 | 16 | 368 |
4cynxd | 190 | Waited in line yesterday but after seeing the reveal the Model 3 isn t for me. How do I get my deposit back? . . . . . . . . .... .. .. . . .... .... .... Yeah right. April Fools. I want the car yesterday! (Hey at least I didn t trick you into emailing Minions to your boss) | Oh man. Have to admit. You got me! | Watch out the buddy almost got banned from r teslamotors. ) | 60 | 16 | 369 |
4d1fyd | 28 | ELI5: Why will it take years to ramp up production to 500k yr I understand that the Fremont factory has the floor space for a production capacity of 500k. After watching the NatGeo documentary of the factory it would seem to me that once you have one production line a copy and paste approach would work fine. The only answer to my own question that I have come to is that they could in priciple do this but it would be a risky approach as if the order rate drops off that would be in deep $h1t. So instead they will slowly ramp up production until their order rate approx = the production rate. But this seems quite risk averse to me. | I have been working in production for years. The challenge is equally hard if you have existing machines or buy new machines. With new equipment you have to debug everything so it works as it should especially where you have a lot of robots and conveyors. The hardest part is all the functions for setup start stop emergency stops safe entrance and so on. This could go on for a while if you have similar issues all across your production line. Especially if you have multiple contractors who built the production line. The good thing is that you often buy the equipment to be capable of a specific production volume per year. With existing equipment you have to optimize everything beyond what you bought it for. Let s say you have equipment for a volume of 200 000 units per year. To ramp up to 400 000 is a increase by 100% per year (working at 200% efficiency what its originally intended for). Now there are some ways to do this one is to remove all the problems with the equipment so you have a high uptime and high MTBF (mean time between failure). This will keep a consistent and high output. Second is to make it run faster (if possible). Third is to remove unnecessary work. Fourth simplify design. Fifth increase work hours. And this has to go on and on for any industry to increase productivity and survive. | The Gigafactory will not be fully operational until 2020 | 32 | 5 | 370 |
4d1fyd | 28 | ELI5: Why will it take years to ramp up production to 500k yr I understand that the Fremont factory has the floor space for a production capacity of 500k. After watching the NatGeo documentary of the factory it would seem to me that once you have one production line a copy and paste approach would work fine. The only answer to my own question that I have come to is that they could in priciple do this but it would be a risky approach as if the order rate drops off that would be in deep $h1t. So instead they will slowly ramp up production until their order rate approx = the production rate. But this seems quite risk averse to me. | I have been working in production for years. The challenge is equally hard if you have existing machines or buy new machines. With new equipment you have to debug everything so it works as it should especially where you have a lot of robots and conveyors. The hardest part is all the functions for setup start stop emergency stops safe entrance and so on. This could go on for a while if you have similar issues all across your production line. Especially if you have multiple contractors who built the production line. The good thing is that you often buy the equipment to be capable of a specific production volume per year. With existing equipment you have to optimize everything beyond what you bought it for. Let s say you have equipment for a volume of 200 000 units per year. To ramp up to 400 000 is a increase by 100% per year (working at 200% efficiency what its originally intended for). Now there are some ways to do this one is to remove all the problems with the equipment so you have a high uptime and high MTBF (mean time between failure). This will keep a consistent and high output. Second is to make it run faster (if possible). Third is to remove unnecessary work. Fourth simplify design. Fifth increase work hours. And this has to go on and on for any industry to increase productivity and survive. | There are thousands of parts suppliers welds joins etc. Getting all of the contracts in place making sure all of the machines work exactly as they are designed etc etc takes a long time. For instance if they notice a problem with 1 part during production they then need the supplier to fix it and find a new supplier. That can take weeks. | 32 | 6 | 371 |
4d1hu4 | 65 | Tesla owners: how does it handle in the snow? Title says it all. Just looking for info on how the cars handle snow and icy conditions. | I have RWD and it handles pretty damn good. I did a cross country trip through Colorado and South Dakota snow storms (I had winter tires) and never had to put on the chains. AWD is even better. Remember the Model S was the #1 selling car in Norway before AWD came out. That should convince anyone lol | https: youtu.be 8U3tiw2J6LQ https: youtu.be 4nSKsvzCdfw https: youtu.be ip1WAOLh2rE | 50 | 10 | 372 |
4d2415 | 90 | Why this former skeptic reserved a Model 3 on launch date. I m not much of a brand loyalist so the Tesla mystique does nothing for me. And I m not about to stand in line to buy anything. But like a lot of you on March 31 I plunked my money down without really knowing much about the car itself. Here s why: * Numero Uno reason is avoiding the traditional dealerships and all the bullshit associated with it. I recently tried to buy a new SUV. Went to Hyundai and Toyota did the test drive and then sat with a sales rep for an hour in each dealership basically trying to hammer each other on price. I hated it. And on both occasions I walked out without signing a deal because I didn t feel I was getting a good price. It s like trying to buy a carpet in a Third World bazaar. In what other part of your life do you have to do this? It s a ridiculous and out-dated business model. * Second reason - the thought of avoiding gas stations makes me giddy. My daily driver is a VW diesel. Emission scandal aside the reason I love the car is the range and how quickly I m in and out of a fuel stop. I get 900kms minimum on a tank. I hate stopping for fuel and the planning ahead that goes with it. The thought of just plugging my car in at home and work and never having to deal with a gas station is a dream come true. * Final reason - simplicity of the vehicle platform. Battery and a bunch of electric motors. Imagine that! No transmission. One freaking fixed gear! And no fuel delivery system no alternator no emission controls no lubrication. Bahahahahaha. I am freaking out with joy at the thought of all this. Christ I think I ll order another one. | What really tickled me when I got my Model S was that putting the car in reverse gear was just reversing the polarity by switching the phases. No mechanical help required. It just makes too much sense. | Great to hear your logical reasoning. Please can you explain why you were a skeptic before and what changed your mind? | 41 | 9 | 373 |
4d2c56 | 68 | How the Model 3 is ridiculously cheap over its lifetime compared with equivalent ICE. Math is shown. Am I missing anything here or is it this obvious? Point 1. The average lifespan of a car is 200 000 miles^1 Point 2. Assume you use a supercharger or destination charger for a fourth of your miles^2 (which costs zero) and the other three quarters is done at your home. At 12 cents per KwH^3 and 3.5 miles per KwH^4 it costs *$5 150* to charge a Model 3 for 200 000 miles. Point 3. The 5-year average price of gas is $3.36^5 and the average MPG is 25.3^6 so an ICE car costs *$26 600* in gas over its lifetime. So this means when you subtract the gasoline savings the energy for a Model 3 costs $21 450 less over its lifetime than the average ICE vehicle. $35 000 (the base price of the Model 3) minus $21 450 equals *$13 550*. **It s like buying an equivalent ICE car for $13 550!** And I m not even counting the hassle of repairs and maintenance like oil changes exhaust systems tune ups etc. This makes the Model 3 a ridiculously cheap car when you look at the total cost of ownership. It seems like the biggest no-brainer ever. Am I missing anything in my analysis? ----- Sources: 1) http: www.nytimes.com 2012 03 18 automobiles as-cars-are-kept-longer-200000-is-new-100000.html?_r=3& ref=business& pagewanted=all& 2) http: www.travelbehavior.us Nancy--ppt Long%20Distance%20Travel%20in%20the%20US%20-%20PPT.pdf 3) http: www.eia.gov electricity monthly epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a 4) http: insideevs.com analyst-base-tesla-model-3-to-get-65-kwh-battery-225-miles-of-range 5) http: www.eia.gov dnav pet pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_a.htm 6) http: www.msn.com en-us money other 10-gas-guzzling-vehicles-for-this-years-low-gas-prices ar-BBqPiLV | All I see is an AWD sports car that seats 4 adults and can autopilot home through traffic. I m. Fucking. Sold. | Supercharger use should be at 5% or less. Increase electricity cost to 14 cents per kWh the price has gone up. The price of gas use $2 average. Average mpg use 32 mpg. Maintenance is a wash for now eventually Tesla vehicles would be cheap but that is not today or the near future. Registration fees are likely going up everywhere for EVs I pay $64 Georgia and Washington state pay punitive registration fees to recover lost gas taxes. Factor in an average of $100 extra a year. For some people the cost for electricity and gas varies widely. My super-off peak cost is 6 cents per kWh others can t get below 18 or 20. Gas if $1.50 per gallon would be TCO competitive in some regions. | 60 | 4 | 374 |
4d2c56 | 68 | How the Model 3 is ridiculously cheap over its lifetime compared with equivalent ICE. Math is shown. Am I missing anything here or is it this obvious? Point 1. The average lifespan of a car is 200 000 miles^1 Point 2. Assume you use a supercharger or destination charger for a fourth of your miles^2 (which costs zero) and the other three quarters is done at your home. At 12 cents per KwH^3 and 3.5 miles per KwH^4 it costs *$5 150* to charge a Model 3 for 200 000 miles. Point 3. The 5-year average price of gas is $3.36^5 and the average MPG is 25.3^6 so an ICE car costs *$26 600* in gas over its lifetime. So this means when you subtract the gasoline savings the energy for a Model 3 costs $21 450 less over its lifetime than the average ICE vehicle. $35 000 (the base price of the Model 3) minus $21 450 equals *$13 550*. **It s like buying an equivalent ICE car for $13 550!** And I m not even counting the hassle of repairs and maintenance like oil changes exhaust systems tune ups etc. This makes the Model 3 a ridiculously cheap car when you look at the total cost of ownership. It seems like the biggest no-brainer ever. Am I missing anything in my analysis? ----- Sources: 1) http: www.nytimes.com 2012 03 18 automobiles as-cars-are-kept-longer-200000-is-new-100000.html?_r=3& ref=business& pagewanted=all& 2) http: www.travelbehavior.us Nancy--ppt Long%20Distance%20Travel%20in%20the%20US%20-%20PPT.pdf 3) http: www.eia.gov electricity monthly epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a 4) http: insideevs.com analyst-base-tesla-model-3-to-get-65-kwh-battery-225-miles-of-range 5) http: www.eia.gov dnav pet pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_a.htm 6) http: www.msn.com en-us money other 10-gas-guzzling-vehicles-for-this-years-low-gas-prices ar-BBqPiLV | All I see is an AWD sports car that seats 4 adults and can autopilot home through traffic. I m. Fucking. Sold. | What is the expected battery life of the Tesla batteries and the cost of replacement? Also the cost of an 8 year service plan is $4 000. Not trying to be negative I am just doing this math myself to see if I can justify buying one of these. | 60 | 15 | 375 |
4d2c56 | 68 | How the Model 3 is ridiculously cheap over its lifetime compared with equivalent ICE. Math is shown. Am I missing anything here or is it this obvious? Point 1. The average lifespan of a car is 200 000 miles^1 Point 2. Assume you use a supercharger or destination charger for a fourth of your miles^2 (which costs zero) and the other three quarters is done at your home. At 12 cents per KwH^3 and 3.5 miles per KwH^4 it costs *$5 150* to charge a Model 3 for 200 000 miles. Point 3. The 5-year average price of gas is $3.36^5 and the average MPG is 25.3^6 so an ICE car costs *$26 600* in gas over its lifetime. So this means when you subtract the gasoline savings the energy for a Model 3 costs $21 450 less over its lifetime than the average ICE vehicle. $35 000 (the base price of the Model 3) minus $21 450 equals *$13 550*. **It s like buying an equivalent ICE car for $13 550!** And I m not even counting the hassle of repairs and maintenance like oil changes exhaust systems tune ups etc. This makes the Model 3 a ridiculously cheap car when you look at the total cost of ownership. It seems like the biggest no-brainer ever. Am I missing anything in my analysis? ----- Sources: 1) http: www.nytimes.com 2012 03 18 automobiles as-cars-are-kept-longer-200000-is-new-100000.html?_r=3& ref=business& pagewanted=all& 2) http: www.travelbehavior.us Nancy--ppt Long%20Distance%20Travel%20in%20the%20US%20-%20PPT.pdf 3) http: www.eia.gov electricity monthly epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a 4) http: insideevs.com analyst-base-tesla-model-3-to-get-65-kwh-battery-225-miles-of-range 5) http: www.eia.gov dnav pet pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_a.htm 6) http: www.msn.com en-us money other 10-gas-guzzling-vehicles-for-this-years-low-gas-prices ar-BBqPiLV | All I see is an AWD sports car that seats 4 adults and can autopilot home through traffic. I m. Fucking. Sold. | I think the quarter of your mileage figure is high unless people are misusing superchargers. Long distance travel where I would use supercharger or destination travel accounts for maybe 10% of my mileage. It may be different for you but I suspect the norm is 10% or less. Still that s only $1030 more for charging using the rest of your math. | 60 | 23 | 376 |
4d5stz | 35 | If the Model 3 is the endgame what s next? I know that we still have to wait until late 2017 before the Model 3 is actually released and it will take months before the backlog of orders is processed however Elon has said that this is the final step in the tesla master plan. If this is true what do you guys think that means for future releases from tesla? Will they only ever have a three car lineup and just bring iterative improvements to them? Could more steps be added to the master plan to increase the size of their lineup? Would love to hear your thoughts! | The Roadster will probably have a sequel. | sustainable transport makes me think they keep it open to branching away from automobiles at some point way in the future directly or indirectly via partnerships | 55 | 17 | 377 |
4d5zoc | 72 | What is the one feature you want the most in reveal 2? Suggested post format: * One feature per post so people can up vote individual features. * Don t post a feature if it s already been posted by others. | Place to plug in an SD or Micro SD card to capture dash cam footage from front back (and hopefully) side cameras. It s 2016. We shouldn t need to install separate cameras in cars that already have them for dashcam footage. | New dash or HUD | 146 | 4 | 378 |
4d5zoc | 72 | What is the one feature you want the most in reveal 2? Suggested post format: * One feature per post so people can up vote individual features. * Don t post a feature if it s already been posted by others. | Place to plug in an SD or Micro SD card to capture dash cam footage from front back (and hopefully) side cameras. It s 2016. We shouldn t need to install separate cameras in cars that already have them for dashcam footage. | Fully self-driving. | 146 | 33 | 379 |
4d5zoc | 72 | What is the one feature you want the most in reveal 2? Suggested post format: * One feature per post so people can up vote individual features. * Don t post a feature if it s already been posted by others. | Place to plug in an SD or Micro SD card to capture dash cam footage from front back (and hopefully) side cameras. It s 2016. We shouldn t need to install separate cameras in cars that already have them for dashcam footage. | Rear Hatch (even if that means it s Model Y that s the second reveal). | 146 | 60 | 380 |
4d85md | 302 | Elon s Tweetstorm Summary What did we learn from all those tweets? This many tweets is crazy so far here is the summary....I will keep this post updated. Listing from important to least important: - HUD Front Instrument MIA Issue. Seems like combination of saving costs and trying to get autonomous driving out of the door ASAP they will not have a *traditional* HUD. - Steering wheel issue. He said that the Model 3 Drive system (that they are testing) is like a spaceship. Elon Musk once referenced I Robot movie with Will Smith where the steering wheel only comes out when switching to manual mode. I think he is really pushing autonomous mode I think he might enable all these features and wait for government to catch up. https: media.giphy.com media z0YGg4WcFjr2w giphy.gif - Confirmed RWD and AWD. - AWD Option will not be as expensive as Model S. Possibly something like $3500? - Trunk Opening will get bigger - Air suspension will be available - He is planning to increase production ramp. That means in 2018 a lot more people will get the car possibly east coast. Other regions will follow after initial WEST Coast orders. - Front of the car will slightly change - Edge and contour refinements still underway - Tesla gifts are coming by mail for the people who stood in line. He confirmed a mini Model 3 toy. - Aerodynamic coefficient of 0.21 non model 3 tweets - Tesla truck is being considered Thanks to BurgerAndShake .. here is his list with the links • Safe - 5 star in all categories - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=9m50s • Base Model 0-60 less than 6 seconds - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m10s • Range EPA rating 215 miles - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m33s • These are minimum numbers hope to exceed them - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m45s • Standard with autopilot hardware - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m54s • Autopilot Safety features standard - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=11m03s • Autopilot Convenience features like on the S X are optional - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 715766837590499328?lang=en • Fits 5 Adult Comfortably - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=11m15s • Supercharging Standard - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=12m57s • Backseats will fold down - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716713492389044224 • A trailer hitch will be an option - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716708661024804866 • Lack of dashboard and HUD will make more sense after reveal part 2 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716713294128500737 • Steering wheel in initial reveal will change with reveal 2 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716729420078133248 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716730641585340416 • Some tweaking of front end from reveal 1 underway - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716729841362407424 • Trunk big enough to accommodate a bike - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716731407310196736 • Mechanical Service in Spain should be added this year - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716742777468555264 • Service Centres and Superchargers will cover all of Italy later this year - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716743848580497409 • Determination of where to put Superchargers will be based on amount of orders - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716743909750218752 • Elon confirmed the dual motor option - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716745282394976257 • Dual motor AWD option will be less than $5k - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716747844175142912 • Production AWD will be a lot faster than Reveal 1 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716748255242100736 • Superchargers to cover Ireland hopefully this year - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716749159324377089 • Initial Model 3 s for Europe will come from Freemont longer term plans to supply from Europe factory - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716750313471025152 • Elon is hoping for an aerodynamic coefficient (of friction) of 0.21 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716751152906440705 • Elon implied air suspension would be available - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716752643595583490 | Mod comment: I stickied this post and removed a bunch of tweet links to Musk s Twitter. We will have to make a new policy for posting Musk s tweets because it s just not working to just post every single one individually like people have been doing in the past few days. It simply drowns everything else. For now I removed the past fews and we can update here now that it is stickied. We ll have to update a bunch of things soon to better handle the sub with now 5k more subs. I ll try to make a post to take subscribers input soon but one thing is clear this subreddit doesn t work well as a mirror of Musk s Twitter feed. Thanks Fred | Thanks. Elon also often later goes back and deletes his tweets to tidy up his timeline or something so this is useful. | 84 | 4 | 381 |
4d85md | 302 | Elon s Tweetstorm Summary What did we learn from all those tweets? This many tweets is crazy so far here is the summary....I will keep this post updated. Listing from important to least important: - HUD Front Instrument MIA Issue. Seems like combination of saving costs and trying to get autonomous driving out of the door ASAP they will not have a *traditional* HUD. - Steering wheel issue. He said that the Model 3 Drive system (that they are testing) is like a spaceship. Elon Musk once referenced I Robot movie with Will Smith where the steering wheel only comes out when switching to manual mode. I think he is really pushing autonomous mode I think he might enable all these features and wait for government to catch up. https: media.giphy.com media z0YGg4WcFjr2w giphy.gif - Confirmed RWD and AWD. - AWD Option will not be as expensive as Model S. Possibly something like $3500? - Trunk Opening will get bigger - Air suspension will be available - He is planning to increase production ramp. That means in 2018 a lot more people will get the car possibly east coast. Other regions will follow after initial WEST Coast orders. - Front of the car will slightly change - Edge and contour refinements still underway - Tesla gifts are coming by mail for the people who stood in line. He confirmed a mini Model 3 toy. - Aerodynamic coefficient of 0.21 non model 3 tweets - Tesla truck is being considered Thanks to BurgerAndShake .. here is his list with the links • Safe - 5 star in all categories - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=9m50s • Base Model 0-60 less than 6 seconds - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m10s • Range EPA rating 215 miles - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m33s • These are minimum numbers hope to exceed them - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m45s • Standard with autopilot hardware - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m54s • Autopilot Safety features standard - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=11m03s • Autopilot Convenience features like on the S X are optional - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 715766837590499328?lang=en • Fits 5 Adult Comfortably - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=11m15s • Supercharging Standard - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=12m57s • Backseats will fold down - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716713492389044224 • A trailer hitch will be an option - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716708661024804866 • Lack of dashboard and HUD will make more sense after reveal part 2 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716713294128500737 • Steering wheel in initial reveal will change with reveal 2 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716729420078133248 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716730641585340416 • Some tweaking of front end from reveal 1 underway - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716729841362407424 • Trunk big enough to accommodate a bike - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716731407310196736 • Mechanical Service in Spain should be added this year - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716742777468555264 • Service Centres and Superchargers will cover all of Italy later this year - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716743848580497409 • Determination of where to put Superchargers will be based on amount of orders - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716743909750218752 • Elon confirmed the dual motor option - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716745282394976257 • Dual motor AWD option will be less than $5k - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716747844175142912 • Production AWD will be a lot faster than Reveal 1 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716748255242100736 • Superchargers to cover Ireland hopefully this year - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716749159324377089 • Initial Model 3 s for Europe will come from Freemont longer term plans to supply from Europe factory - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716750313471025152 • Elon is hoping for an aerodynamic coefficient (of friction) of 0.21 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716751152906440705 • Elon implied air suspension would be available - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716752643595583490 | Mod comment: I stickied this post and removed a bunch of tweet links to Musk s Twitter. We will have to make a new policy for posting Musk s tweets because it s just not working to just post every single one individually like people have been doing in the past few days. It simply drowns everything else. For now I removed the past fews and we can update here now that it is stickied. We ll have to update a bunch of things soon to better handle the sub with now 5k more subs. I ll try to make a post to take subscribers input soon but one thing is clear this subreddit doesn t work well as a mirror of Musk s Twitter feed. Thanks Fred | Mods: How about we sticky a summary like this and get rid of all the other tweets clogging up the top 25? u FredTesla and u dieabetic ? | 84 | 7 | 382 |
4d85md | 302 | Elon s Tweetstorm Summary What did we learn from all those tweets? This many tweets is crazy so far here is the summary....I will keep this post updated. Listing from important to least important: - HUD Front Instrument MIA Issue. Seems like combination of saving costs and trying to get autonomous driving out of the door ASAP they will not have a *traditional* HUD. - Steering wheel issue. He said that the Model 3 Drive system (that they are testing) is like a spaceship. Elon Musk once referenced I Robot movie with Will Smith where the steering wheel only comes out when switching to manual mode. I think he is really pushing autonomous mode I think he might enable all these features and wait for government to catch up. https: media.giphy.com media z0YGg4WcFjr2w giphy.gif - Confirmed RWD and AWD. - AWD Option will not be as expensive as Model S. Possibly something like $3500? - Trunk Opening will get bigger - Air suspension will be available - He is planning to increase production ramp. That means in 2018 a lot more people will get the car possibly east coast. Other regions will follow after initial WEST Coast orders. - Front of the car will slightly change - Edge and contour refinements still underway - Tesla gifts are coming by mail for the people who stood in line. He confirmed a mini Model 3 toy. - Aerodynamic coefficient of 0.21 non model 3 tweets - Tesla truck is being considered Thanks to BurgerAndShake .. here is his list with the links • Safe - 5 star in all categories - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=9m50s • Base Model 0-60 less than 6 seconds - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m10s • Range EPA rating 215 miles - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m33s • These are minimum numbers hope to exceed them - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m45s • Standard with autopilot hardware - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=10m54s • Autopilot Safety features standard - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=11m03s • Autopilot Convenience features like on the S X are optional - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 715766837590499328?lang=en • Fits 5 Adult Comfortably - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=11m15s • Supercharging Standard - https: youtu.be Q4VGQPk2Dl8?t=12m57s • Backseats will fold down - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716713492389044224 • A trailer hitch will be an option - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716708661024804866 • Lack of dashboard and HUD will make more sense after reveal part 2 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716713294128500737 • Steering wheel in initial reveal will change with reveal 2 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716729420078133248 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716730641585340416 • Some tweaking of front end from reveal 1 underway - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716729841362407424 • Trunk big enough to accommodate a bike - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716731407310196736 • Mechanical Service in Spain should be added this year - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716742777468555264 • Service Centres and Superchargers will cover all of Italy later this year - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716743848580497409 • Determination of where to put Superchargers will be based on amount of orders - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716743909750218752 • Elon confirmed the dual motor option - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716745282394976257 • Dual motor AWD option will be less than $5k - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716747844175142912 • Production AWD will be a lot faster than Reveal 1 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716748255242100736 • Superchargers to cover Ireland hopefully this year - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716749159324377089 • Initial Model 3 s for Europe will come from Freemont longer term plans to supply from Europe factory - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716750313471025152 • Elon is hoping for an aerodynamic coefficient (of friction) of 0.21 - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716751152906440705 • Elon implied air suspension would be available - https: twitter.com elonmusk status 716752643595583490 | Mod comment: I stickied this post and removed a bunch of tweet links to Musk s Twitter. We will have to make a new policy for posting Musk s tweets because it s just not working to just post every single one individually like people have been doing in the past few days. It simply drowns everything else. For now I removed the past fews and we can update here now that it is stickied. We ll have to update a bunch of things soon to better handle the sub with now 5k more subs. I ll try to make a post to take subscribers input soon but one thing is clear this subreddit doesn t work well as a mirror of Musk s Twitter feed. Thanks Fred | It won t be a deal breaker but I don t want a wonky collapsible steering wheel. I want the car to drive me the majority of the time because the majority of my drive is to work and it s a very straight very boring drive. But when I m driving I like the weight and girth of a sport steering wheel I m hoping that that is an option. | 84 | 15 | 383 |
4d8sow | 44 | The beginning of critical mass ... I feel like we may literally be on the cusp of the pendulum swinging away from ICE and finally towards Electric. Musk has said before that driving a gas powered car feels like yesterday ... these cars are tomorrow. With this unprecedented demand it s obvious to every single car maker out there that they need to divert significant resources to EV s and away from gas.... at least it should be. When the pendulum starts to hit critical mass things start happening very fast ... next decade will be a transformation. | The period of a pendulum s swing is independent of its mass. | I agree. This is a revolution. | 39 | 13 | 384 |
4dc6rs | 208 | Official response: Tesla has *NOT* decided if Model 3 Supercharging is free Hey all since there was some confusion about the wording changes on the 3 site I reached out to my press contact at Tesla to clarify if Supercharging was standard or not. Here is their official response: All Model 3 will have the capability for Supercharging. We haven t specified (and aren t right now) whether supercharging will be free. So the hardware is standard but still undecided if it will be enabled standard | The best solution would be to charge a fee for use of local superchargers but maintain all other superchargers outside a minimum radius free to use. This will ensure that people don t abuse the superchargers (use them instead of charging at home) but will still make longer travels free. | I thought this was pretty obvious from Elon s presentation. Maybe not for others. | 184 | 2 | 385 |
4dc6rs | 208 | Official response: Tesla has *NOT* decided if Model 3 Supercharging is free Hey all since there was some confusion about the wording changes on the 3 site I reached out to my press contact at Tesla to clarify if Supercharging was standard or not. Here is their official response: All Model 3 will have the capability for Supercharging. We haven t specified (and aren t right now) whether supercharging will be free. So the hardware is standard but still undecided if it will be enabled standard | The best solution would be to charge a fee for use of local superchargers but maintain all other superchargers outside a minimum radius free to use. This will ensure that people don t abuse the superchargers (use them instead of charging at home) but will still make longer travels free. | I would not mind some sort of subscription service. Even with the scheduled increase of SuperCharger sites adding 100k+ cars to the network that could use them for free would be a bad thing. | 184 | 3 | 386 |
4dc6rs | 208 | Official response: Tesla has *NOT* decided if Model 3 Supercharging is free Hey all since there was some confusion about the wording changes on the 3 site I reached out to my press contact at Tesla to clarify if Supercharging was standard or not. Here is their official response: All Model 3 will have the capability for Supercharging. We haven t specified (and aren t right now) whether supercharging will be free. So the hardware is standard but still undecided if it will be enabled standard | The best solution would be to charge a fee for use of local superchargers but maintain all other superchargers outside a minimum radius free to use. This will ensure that people don t abuse the superchargers (use them instead of charging at home) but will still make longer travels free. | They ve also changed the wording on the Model 3 page from Supercharging - Long Distance Travel to Supercharging - Capable | 184 | 9 | 387 |
4dcop4 | 98 | Now is the time to propose EV charging stations at your workplace! While dreaming about what options are going to be available for the Model 3 I thought that I might take the initiative to propose an EV charging station where I work! I stumbled across this great information source and thought that it would be of value for all the current and prospective Electric Vehicle owners! [*Energy.gov link*](http: energy.gov eere vehicles workplace-charging-challenge-install-and-manage-pev-charging-work) | The building manager said that God put enough oil on Earth to last until Jesus comes back. (No EV charging stations at my workplace.) I hate living in the Bible belt sometimes. | I want to add that the Tesla hype means that a lot of businesses think about it. I asked my building manager today and they are very interested about installing chargers. | 32 | 4 | 388 |
4dcop4 | 98 | Now is the time to propose EV charging stations at your workplace! While dreaming about what options are going to be available for the Model 3 I thought that I might take the initiative to propose an EV charging station where I work! I stumbled across this great information source and thought that it would be of value for all the current and prospective Electric Vehicle owners! [*Energy.gov link*](http: energy.gov eere vehicles workplace-charging-challenge-install-and-manage-pev-charging-work) | The building manager said that God put enough oil on Earth to last until Jesus comes back. (No EV charging stations at my workplace.) I hate living in the Bible belt sometimes. | Actually my work is installing one. Too bad I won t be staying at this job very long. | 32 | 6 | 389 |
4ddh75 | 275 | Guys I think I m stuck... I can t leave this subreddit. As the dreadfully long wait for my Model 3 begins I feel like I constantly need to devour every post in this sub to feed my Tesla hunger. Whenever I try to close the window I just end up reopening it a few minutes later. Halp. | I rarely use the new filter on any sub but its my default for this one. I ve already checked around 4-5 times today so I feel you. There are dozens of us. DOZENS. | I someone on the cusp of my Model X delivery I can report that this doesn t really go away. Sorry...but welcome aboard. | 118 | 29 | 390 |
4ddh75 | 275 | Guys I think I m stuck... I can t leave this subreddit. As the dreadfully long wait for my Model 3 begins I feel like I constantly need to devour every post in this sub to feed my Tesla hunger. Whenever I try to close the window I just end up reopening it a few minutes later. Halp. | > Halp. There is no halp. Ownership just makes it more addicting because in addition to all the news pictures etc you also want to come here and evangelize the car and answer questions. Just wait til Tesla opens the Design Studio page for your Model 3. Once you build and finalize yours you will incessantly refresh your myTesla page and absolutely lose your shit over every little status change. Welcome and enjoy the next couple of years! | Damn same here | 31 | 5 | 391 |
4ddvx2 | 119 | Reserved the Model 3 now troubled by haters... I ll try to keep this short... I reserved a model 3 and then I proudly posted it on the web - y know - like one does. That s when the hate started. Loads of hate about strip mining for lithium ion being worse than using fossil fuels. How a bio-diesel dodge ram is better. All this is new to me... anyone have a helping hand for a dude that is just a fan of tesla and wants to help the world get to sustainable transport faster... | Ignorant people are always the first people to argue with you on Facebook. Lithium isn t strip mined it s found in brine water deposits and even in seawater if we can figure out how to harvest it efficiently. It s incredibly friendly to procure and lithium batteries are non-hazardous and easy to recycle. More on that [here](http: auto.howstuffworks.com fuel-efficiency vehicles how-green-are-automotive-lithium-ion-batteries.htm). A Model 3 and bio diesel Ram are apples and oranges for a lot of reasons one being that the Ram is a pickup truck which gets 29 miles per gallon of fuel that costs 3-4 bucks per gallon. Bio Diesel creates CO2 just like its fossil fuel cousin and it requires growing and converting animal or plant oils to make it which isn t nearly as clean cheap or efficient as electricity created by renewable means. These people are trolling you because either they want to pick a fight or they don t know what they re talking about. In my experience it s usually a healthy dose of both. | It s called ignore. There will always be people like that. You will find no hate here.. As time progresses you will learn more about the benefits of tesla | 191 | 14 | 392 |
4ddvx2 | 119 | Reserved the Model 3 now troubled by haters... I ll try to keep this short... I reserved a model 3 and then I proudly posted it on the web - y know - like one does. That s when the hate started. Loads of hate about strip mining for lithium ion being worse than using fossil fuels. How a bio-diesel dodge ram is better. All this is new to me... anyone have a helping hand for a dude that is just a fan of tesla and wants to help the world get to sustainable transport faster... | just post this... http: i.imgur.com wmKK0Lr.jpg burning anything for kinetic motion is ridiculous burning stuff makes HEAT as a primary output in which those vehicles throw away through their radiator not motion. opposing magnetic fields creates motion primarily with very little heat. the tesla is superior make no mistake. | Mine lithium once for a car or continuously pump oil. Lithium is pretty plentiful anyway it can even be harvested out of the ocean. | 64 | 5 | 393 |
4ddvx2 | 119 | Reserved the Model 3 now troubled by haters... I ll try to keep this short... I reserved a model 3 and then I proudly posted it on the web - y know - like one does. That s when the hate started. Loads of hate about strip mining for lithium ion being worse than using fossil fuels. How a bio-diesel dodge ram is better. All this is new to me... anyone have a helping hand for a dude that is just a fan of tesla and wants to help the world get to sustainable transport faster... | just post this... http: i.imgur.com wmKK0Lr.jpg burning anything for kinetic motion is ridiculous burning stuff makes HEAT as a primary output in which those vehicles throw away through their radiator not motion. opposing magnetic fields creates motion primarily with very little heat. the tesla is superior make no mistake. | Sound like anti-global warming pro gas political talking points to me. My mother mentioned all of these items when I was talking with her about it and she only watches news with a heavy conservative bias. | 64 | 7 | 394 |
4dh4kw | 78 | Why do People Think That a 200+ Mile Range isn t enough? I keep seeing a lot of hate toward only having a 200 mile range from other sites. I m sorry but how many people TRULY drive 200+ miles in one day unless they are on a trip vacation? I drive anywhere from 90-110 miles per day strictly for work. If I want to go to the closest city it s a 120 mile one-way drive from my house. This city also has a supercharger station so it s a non-issue for range anxiety . I guess I just wanted to rant on the fact that people still want to discount EVs for range even though they at close or equal to most new cars today. For example if I baby my Subaru I can push (and I mean squeak by) 300 miles on a tank. That s not really something that would discourage me from pre-ordering the 3 especially when I can charge it at work (120v) or home using a Tesla charger. | Yes routine charging at home for commuting or running around town (95% of my use cases) is a completely different paradigm. People haven t wrapped their heads around the fact that no you don t go to the gas station once a week any more you plug in your car just as you plug in your phone. But range anxiety is real and there is more to it than those occasional long distance drives: Batteries lose several percent of their capacity each year. For improved life routine charging is limited to roughly 75% of capacity. For improved life routine discharging to below 15% of capacity is discouraged. People get grumpy when running on fumes. In an ICE vehicle you don t need to plan your stops I can drive until I am tired and stop at any hotel along the way. Until chargers are ubiquitously five miles apart range = choice. So ... the higher the initial capacity the longer the useful life and the wider the Goldilocks operating zone (not too full not too empty). | Yeah I don t get it. I don t even know why so many Model 3 people want the larger battery (I was planning on making post about it after all the Model 3 hype dies down a bit). About 1% of people drive more than 110 miles a day regularly (per some study I looked up recently) so factor in the 80%-battery-fill and some range anxiety and 200 miles is enough for 99% of people at least for normal drive days. I do go over 100 miles some days like most of us but jeez - use a Supercharger or charge at home if you can. | 78 | 2 | 395 |
4dh4kw | 78 | Why do People Think That a 200+ Mile Range isn t enough? I keep seeing a lot of hate toward only having a 200 mile range from other sites. I m sorry but how many people TRULY drive 200+ miles in one day unless they are on a trip vacation? I drive anywhere from 90-110 miles per day strictly for work. If I want to go to the closest city it s a 120 mile one-way drive from my house. This city also has a supercharger station so it s a non-issue for range anxiety . I guess I just wanted to rant on the fact that people still want to discount EVs for range even though they at close or equal to most new cars today. For example if I baby my Subaru I can push (and I mean squeak by) 300 miles on a tank. That s not really something that would discourage me from pre-ordering the 3 especially when I can charge it at work (120v) or home using a Tesla charger. | Yes routine charging at home for commuting or running around town (95% of my use cases) is a completely different paradigm. People haven t wrapped their heads around the fact that no you don t go to the gas station once a week any more you plug in your car just as you plug in your phone. But range anxiety is real and there is more to it than those occasional long distance drives: Batteries lose several percent of their capacity each year. For improved life routine charging is limited to roughly 75% of capacity. For improved life routine discharging to below 15% of capacity is discouraged. People get grumpy when running on fumes. In an ICE vehicle you don t need to plan your stops I can drive until I am tired and stop at any hotel along the way. Until chargers are ubiquitously five miles apart range = choice. So ... the higher the initial capacity the longer the useful life and the wider the Goldilocks operating zone (not too full not too empty). | I think 300 miles is perfect.. 200 miles is too little | 78 | 5 | 396 |
4dh4kw | 78 | Why do People Think That a 200+ Mile Range isn t enough? I keep seeing a lot of hate toward only having a 200 mile range from other sites. I m sorry but how many people TRULY drive 200+ miles in one day unless they are on a trip vacation? I drive anywhere from 90-110 miles per day strictly for work. If I want to go to the closest city it s a 120 mile one-way drive from my house. This city also has a supercharger station so it s a non-issue for range anxiety . I guess I just wanted to rant on the fact that people still want to discount EVs for range even though they at close or equal to most new cars today. For example if I baby my Subaru I can push (and I mean squeak by) 300 miles on a tank. That s not really something that would discourage me from pre-ordering the 3 especially when I can charge it at work (120v) or home using a Tesla charger. | Yes routine charging at home for commuting or running around town (95% of my use cases) is a completely different paradigm. People haven t wrapped their heads around the fact that no you don t go to the gas station once a week any more you plug in your car just as you plug in your phone. But range anxiety is real and there is more to it than those occasional long distance drives: Batteries lose several percent of their capacity each year. For improved life routine charging is limited to roughly 75% of capacity. For improved life routine discharging to below 15% of capacity is discouraged. People get grumpy when running on fumes. In an ICE vehicle you don t need to plan your stops I can drive until I am tired and stop at any hotel along the way. Until chargers are ubiquitously five miles apart range = choice. So ... the higher the initial capacity the longer the useful life and the wider the Goldilocks operating zone (not too full not too empty). | I live ~ 2 hours away from Phoenix everytime I drive there is almost 90 miles and then I drive within Phoenix that can be extra 20-30 miles then I need 90 miles to go back. That s almost 200. I ll just be getting a bigger battery but if I lived in Phoenix I wouldn t worry about it. There aren t many Superchargers yet. Only one in Phoenix afaik. | 78 | 7 | 397 |
4dikl7 | 172 | Model 3 Questions? Ask here or search the sub Google for previous discussions. Repeat questions will be deleted. Hello everyone! To start I want to say thank you to everyone that was posting and helping out over the last few days week with the Model 3 unveiling. Our sub has grown quite a bit and has seen a significant increase in posts comments (as well as mod reports trolls and general douche-baggery). Now that things have calmed down a bit we need to consolidate all the questions that are popping up related to the Model 3. Often these are repeated over and over and over. Most can be answered by a subreddit search for same similar words a Google search or by looking at our [Wiki FAQs](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki index). Please post all your Model 3 (and Model 3 related such as comparisons or questions for Model S X owners related to options history maintenance etc) questions discussions HERE. We appreciate all the new people that have joined but to be honest your repeated questions are cluttering the subreddit and are driving some people (*cough cough* mods owners fans) crazy. Some of you owners and fans have given great advice and break-downs in one (or many) of the question posts already. I ask that you re-post that question answer here. Once collected we will make a summary sticky post (I ll also edit this post) add to our Wiki FAQs and delete some of the old posts. Again if we see repeated posts questions we are just going to delete them. We cannot give a reason every time so if your post is deleted and you are wondering why... it s 99% of the time going to be because this was already discussed a many times please do a sub Google FAQ search . As a reminder reddiquette and our rules still apply. No rude harassing trolling name-calling posts or comments. Multiple violations will lead to a temporary or (in some cases) permanent ban. If you see a comment or post that you think breaks the sub s rules please click the report button and submit to the mods. Side note: in the future we will announce a time frame for applications to become a mod and will keep it open to everyone. Welcome to all our new subscribers Model 3 reservation holders and new fans! We look forward to your contributions. | **TAX CREDIT** There I started it. Now let s talk about the goddamn tax credit here and not 5 posts a day in the sub. I ll edit this post with a mini FAQ about the tax credit but to start... **Do I get the US federal tax credit if I don t owe taxes when I file?** > Yes as long as you have $7 500 of tax liability for the year. If you buy a Tesla that qualifies for the US Federal Tax credit of $7 500 you must have $7 500 of tax liability. Tax liability is how much total tax you are required to pay the federal government. It has NOTHING to do with how much tax is due or if you are getting a tax refund already. Simple example. Bob had $15 000 tax liability and over the year had $17 500 taken out of his paychecks. So now Bob is getting a $2 500 refund but Bob bought a tesla that qualifies for the tax credit. Bob now gets a check for $10 000 instead of $2 500. If you have less than $7 500 of tax liability say $5 000 then you get $5 000 and it doesn t carry over to the next year. **Will the tax credit still be available if I get my Model 3 in December 2018?** > You will likely get a tax credit yes but it may be a partial credit. There are a bunch of different predictions for how this will play out but the tax credit doesn t just stop at car #200 000. When Tesla reaches car #200 000 the tax credit will continue for the remainder of that quarter and the next. That means the tax credit will continue in full for somewhere between 3-6 months from reaching car #200 000. After that it is reduced (checking specifics so I don t get this wrong and will re-edit). | THANK YOU Everyone should definitely give Google a try - it answers around 90% of questions. | 45 | 16 | 398 |
4diw4t | 23 | ELI5: The Charging Options for Tesla Drivers I don t have any range anxiety and I ve read up a tonne on Tesla throughout the last while. However what adapters for road trips should the average Tesla owner carry? I keep hearing Level 1 2 3 etc. and stuff like CHAdeMO but that doesn t mean much to me. (I m in Canada but a global answer might be beneficial to others.) | here you go... http: i.imgur.com BdCX5NF.png The Model S uses 180 Wh km Rated and 170Wh km Ideal i use 150 Wh km during the summer some crazy hypermillers get down to 140 Wh km its best to just use a standardized unit of measurement and thats is the Watt the Model S contains a 70 or 90 kWh battery (used to be 60kWh & 85kWh) a NEMA 14-50 outlet which is the same outlet your electric oven plugs into provides 240v at 40A continuous 50A max breaker rating. in North america you are not allowed to draw the breaker rating continuously its 80% so 40A continuous. 240v × 40A = 9600W or 9.6kW in this case its easy just to round up to 10kW. if the 90kWh battery was 100% dead (which it will never be unless you are an idiot potato journalist from NYT) it will take 9 hours to charge. the math is very simple take your battery size divide it by power being provided and you have time left in hours. each outlet provides a different amount of power some are 120v (110v and 120v are actually the same its 120v at the transformer but after all that wiring in your house it has to go through it may drop down to 110v) and some are 240v. the Tesla does not care what you give it. now you hear about public EVSE (electric vehicle supply equipment) and the levels 1 2 3. * Level 1 = 120v AC (needs onboard charger) between 5 to 20 amps. the most common is 15amp but many new houses are now 20amp (instead of 2 parallel prongs 1 is rotated 90°) * Level 2 = 240v AC (needs onboard charger) between 5-100 amps. most common is 30 32A but many suncountryhighway chargers in canada are now 100A the tesla with dual onboard chargers being able to use 80A (nearly 20kW so a 90kWh battery will take 4.5 hours to charge from dead) * Level 3 = Direct DC to battery bypasses onboard chargers. Chademo is level 3 its more of a japanese format chademo means something about sitting around drinking tea or some shit. its generally 25kW rarely 50kW. the Tesla Level 3 is 120kW to 135kW and then you have CCS which is supposed to be 100kW but i have never seen one. the tesla charger will charge from dead in approx 1hr charging slows down as it gets near 80%. its like shoving food in your mouth when you are already full. Public EVSE are generally J1772 connectors (its just some name they made up) the tesla will COME with a J1772 to Tesla adapter. Chademo adapters are extra but worth it if you have lots of chademo stations and you need to travel. as far as adapters you can do it the normal way or the ghetto awesome way. normal way - your tesla will come with something called a UMC (universal mobile connector) on one end its the plug that goes into the tesla on the other end you have interchangeable ends so you can plug into common 120v outlets 240v outlets etc. ghetto awesome away - you keep the NEMA 14-50 end on your tesla at all times this will tell the cable to draw up to 40A with voltage it doesnt care about. then you make adapters on your own to go from ANY outlet to the NEMA 14-50. welders have NEMA 6-50 and ive made an adapter that works flawless also ive used a NEMA 6-20. the key with the ghetto awesome way is you must control the amperage with the software in the car or you will melt something. on some really good block heating outlets that are very close to the transformer you can pull an illegal load and be okay if it is cold outside like -20C. a block heater outlet is 120v @ 15A ive pulled 16A instead of 12A (80% of 20A is 16A and 15A is 12A) out of the outlet in -20C and the cable doesnt even get warm it charges the car MUCH faster. i dont recommend you do this though unless you are very familiar with electricity. | as long as there is a plug(yes even a simply wall plug) you can charge it. If you want to you don t even need a adapter . Haha just saying | 37 | 4 | 399 |
4diw4t | 23 | ELI5: The Charging Options for Tesla Drivers I don t have any range anxiety and I ve read up a tonne on Tesla throughout the last while. However what adapters for road trips should the average Tesla owner carry? I keep hearing Level 1 2 3 etc. and stuff like CHAdeMO but that doesn t mean much to me. (I m in Canada but a global answer might be beneficial to others.) | here you go... http: i.imgur.com BdCX5NF.png The Model S uses 180 Wh km Rated and 170Wh km Ideal i use 150 Wh km during the summer some crazy hypermillers get down to 140 Wh km its best to just use a standardized unit of measurement and thats is the Watt the Model S contains a 70 or 90 kWh battery (used to be 60kWh & 85kWh) a NEMA 14-50 outlet which is the same outlet your electric oven plugs into provides 240v at 40A continuous 50A max breaker rating. in North america you are not allowed to draw the breaker rating continuously its 80% so 40A continuous. 240v × 40A = 9600W or 9.6kW in this case its easy just to round up to 10kW. if the 90kWh battery was 100% dead (which it will never be unless you are an idiot potato journalist from NYT) it will take 9 hours to charge. the math is very simple take your battery size divide it by power being provided and you have time left in hours. each outlet provides a different amount of power some are 120v (110v and 120v are actually the same its 120v at the transformer but after all that wiring in your house it has to go through it may drop down to 110v) and some are 240v. the Tesla does not care what you give it. now you hear about public EVSE (electric vehicle supply equipment) and the levels 1 2 3. * Level 1 = 120v AC (needs onboard charger) between 5 to 20 amps. the most common is 15amp but many new houses are now 20amp (instead of 2 parallel prongs 1 is rotated 90°) * Level 2 = 240v AC (needs onboard charger) between 5-100 amps. most common is 30 32A but many suncountryhighway chargers in canada are now 100A the tesla with dual onboard chargers being able to use 80A (nearly 20kW so a 90kWh battery will take 4.5 hours to charge from dead) * Level 3 = Direct DC to battery bypasses onboard chargers. Chademo is level 3 its more of a japanese format chademo means something about sitting around drinking tea or some shit. its generally 25kW rarely 50kW. the Tesla Level 3 is 120kW to 135kW and then you have CCS which is supposed to be 100kW but i have never seen one. the tesla charger will charge from dead in approx 1hr charging slows down as it gets near 80%. its like shoving food in your mouth when you are already full. Public EVSE are generally J1772 connectors (its just some name they made up) the tesla will COME with a J1772 to Tesla adapter. Chademo adapters are extra but worth it if you have lots of chademo stations and you need to travel. as far as adapters you can do it the normal way or the ghetto awesome way. normal way - your tesla will come with something called a UMC (universal mobile connector) on one end its the plug that goes into the tesla on the other end you have interchangeable ends so you can plug into common 120v outlets 240v outlets etc. ghetto awesome away - you keep the NEMA 14-50 end on your tesla at all times this will tell the cable to draw up to 40A with voltage it doesnt care about. then you make adapters on your own to go from ANY outlet to the NEMA 14-50. welders have NEMA 6-50 and ive made an adapter that works flawless also ive used a NEMA 6-20. the key with the ghetto awesome way is you must control the amperage with the software in the car or you will melt something. on some really good block heating outlets that are very close to the transformer you can pull an illegal load and be okay if it is cold outside like -20C. a block heater outlet is 120v @ 15A ive pulled 16A instead of 12A (80% of 20A is 16A and 15A is 12A) out of the outlet in -20C and the cable doesnt even get warm it charges the car MUCH faster. i dont recommend you do this though unless you are very familiar with electricity. | I m a future model 3 owner but I currently own an i3 Rex. So I can only speak on the chargers available for the i3. Level 1: standard out let charging. Connect the charger to a standard outlet and it ll charge. This takes FOREVER. My i3 probably takes about 15 hrs to fully charge. Level 2: 240v charging. It charges my i3 in about 3 hours. A lot of the charging stations have this setup. It could be setup at home but it ll cost to purchase the charger and setup the right connection. Level 3: This is where manufactures start to very in the type of connections they use. The i3 uses a DC fast charger. It takes 30min to charge 80% and then about 40ish to top it off. These are very rare to find and expensive to setup. I believe CHAdEMO is a level 3 charger... | 37 | 10 | 400 |
4dkbr9 | 22 | For manual standard clutch lovers how fun are Tesla s to drive? I learned to love driving manual and when I bought my current VW GTI DSG I found I missed the action of pushing the clutch and shifting but I have settled with the manual shifting in the dual clutch transmission. I know manuals will be gone in my lifetime and largely are already. So looking forward to the future of owning an EV and likely a Model 3 I m curious how current owners feel about their enthusiast experience and lack of shifting? | glad you asked this question i used to drive a Genesis Coupe V6 312HP 6 speed RWD with a LSD (limited slip diff). i only drive standard cars hate everything else because you have no control in an auto. The Tesla is better than anything that has ever come out with a gas engine. i had huge doubts when i got the S as i like controlling my speed with gears but once i got in my mind was blown the S gives you SO MUCH control over speed and power its beyond anything gasoline can muster. when i take corners in the coupe i downshift before i get to the corner and power out with the S you let off the pedal slightly and when you need power you just punch it. none of this shifting heal toe and clutching bullshit. i just find it ridiculous now that we have automatic standard DCT CVT at all. its just all useless garbage. you see the regen on the S is 60kW that is 80HP imagine 80HP pulling you backwards thats some serious deceleration more than my genesis coupe could ever provide even in first or second gear at 6000RPM. the S can regen brake so hard you dont even need brakes most of the time. imaging this a lightened civic with a type R engine that can rev to 8500RPM you have a 7.5lb flywheel and you are in 1st gear at near red line the engine is in full vacuum that is the deceleration force we are talking about almost race car-ish that is what the tesla gives you without the noisy smelly crap in a family sedan. as for the Diff i thought the open diff on the tesla wouldnt be as good on snow or ice compared to the gen coupe s LSD god damn i have never been so wrong nothing matches the tesla it reacts so fast you dont even know. the tesla will put power to both wheels no matter what you want to lay a patch with both rear tires? you will every single time. on the snow the TSC is so fast you cannot lose control even if you try the car is much faster at correcting than human beings are at screwing up. | I ve driven manuals and avoided automatics for 20 years but nothing compares to the driving experience of instant torque (at any speed) and regenerative braking available from a Tesla. | 39 | 6 | 401 |
4dkbr9 | 22 | For manual standard clutch lovers how fun are Tesla s to drive? I learned to love driving manual and when I bought my current VW GTI DSG I found I missed the action of pushing the clutch and shifting but I have settled with the manual shifting in the dual clutch transmission. I know manuals will be gone in my lifetime and largely are already. So looking forward to the future of owning an EV and likely a Model 3 I m curious how current owners feel about their enthusiast experience and lack of shifting? | glad you asked this question i used to drive a Genesis Coupe V6 312HP 6 speed RWD with a LSD (limited slip diff). i only drive standard cars hate everything else because you have no control in an auto. The Tesla is better than anything that has ever come out with a gas engine. i had huge doubts when i got the S as i like controlling my speed with gears but once i got in my mind was blown the S gives you SO MUCH control over speed and power its beyond anything gasoline can muster. when i take corners in the coupe i downshift before i get to the corner and power out with the S you let off the pedal slightly and when you need power you just punch it. none of this shifting heal toe and clutching bullshit. i just find it ridiculous now that we have automatic standard DCT CVT at all. its just all useless garbage. you see the regen on the S is 60kW that is 80HP imagine 80HP pulling you backwards thats some serious deceleration more than my genesis coupe could ever provide even in first or second gear at 6000RPM. the S can regen brake so hard you dont even need brakes most of the time. imaging this a lightened civic with a type R engine that can rev to 8500RPM you have a 7.5lb flywheel and you are in 1st gear at near red line the engine is in full vacuum that is the deceleration force we are talking about almost race car-ish that is what the tesla gives you without the noisy smelly crap in a family sedan. as for the Diff i thought the open diff on the tesla wouldnt be as good on snow or ice compared to the gen coupe s LSD god damn i have never been so wrong nothing matches the tesla it reacts so fast you dont even know. the tesla will put power to both wheels no matter what you want to lay a patch with both rear tires? you will every single time. on the snow the TSC is so fast you cannot lose control even if you try the car is much faster at correcting than human beings are at screwing up. | As the owner of a manual two paddle shifters and a S P90D I have to say that while you don t get that sense of absolute control with a manual the thrill is still there in the form of HOLY SHIT THAT S 760HP AND 670LB-FT OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG pretty much any time you decide to be even slightly flamboyant. Definitely a beast wearing a suit. That said I ve never driven a Tesla below a S P85D so I don t know how they are. I imagine they re at least half as fun. | 39 | 7 | 402 |
4dkbr9 | 22 | For manual standard clutch lovers how fun are Tesla s to drive? I learned to love driving manual and when I bought my current VW GTI DSG I found I missed the action of pushing the clutch and shifting but I have settled with the manual shifting in the dual clutch transmission. I know manuals will be gone in my lifetime and largely are already. So looking forward to the future of owning an EV and likely a Model 3 I m curious how current owners feel about their enthusiast experience and lack of shifting? | glad you asked this question i used to drive a Genesis Coupe V6 312HP 6 speed RWD with a LSD (limited slip diff). i only drive standard cars hate everything else because you have no control in an auto. The Tesla is better than anything that has ever come out with a gas engine. i had huge doubts when i got the S as i like controlling my speed with gears but once i got in my mind was blown the S gives you SO MUCH control over speed and power its beyond anything gasoline can muster. when i take corners in the coupe i downshift before i get to the corner and power out with the S you let off the pedal slightly and when you need power you just punch it. none of this shifting heal toe and clutching bullshit. i just find it ridiculous now that we have automatic standard DCT CVT at all. its just all useless garbage. you see the regen on the S is 60kW that is 80HP imagine 80HP pulling you backwards thats some serious deceleration more than my genesis coupe could ever provide even in first or second gear at 6000RPM. the S can regen brake so hard you dont even need brakes most of the time. imaging this a lightened civic with a type R engine that can rev to 8500RPM you have a 7.5lb flywheel and you are in 1st gear at near red line the engine is in full vacuum that is the deceleration force we are talking about almost race car-ish that is what the tesla gives you without the noisy smelly crap in a family sedan. as for the Diff i thought the open diff on the tesla wouldnt be as good on snow or ice compared to the gen coupe s LSD god damn i have never been so wrong nothing matches the tesla it reacts so fast you dont even know. the tesla will put power to both wheels no matter what you want to lay a patch with both rear tires? you will every single time. on the snow the TSC is so fast you cannot lose control even if you try the car is much faster at correcting than human beings are at screwing up. | I haven t driven a manual as a daily since I was much younger but I still enjoy the hell out of it whenever I get a chance to drive one. (Last one was a 02 Jetta TDI and I had a blast in it lol) I can assure you the instant power is more than enough excitement to make you forget you ever shifted manually. If you haven t before I highly suggest going to test drive a Model S. If you can get behind a P85D or P90D it s quite the rush. They re pretty cool even if you re not in the market. You can even tell them you re not and they won t harass you about it. (as long as you re over 25) *edit: I should also add the 70D or 90D aren t slow either. As Elon said... They don t make slow cars. It s just... the P90D is really something else. The test drive I went on they asked me which one I wanted to take out. I mean if you re gonna ask...* | 39 | 8 | 403 |
4dlaeh | 38 | What is the speed you arrive fastest in a Model S over long distance? Assuming a long trip with 0 elevation where you hop from supercharger to supercharger at what speed do you arrive fastest at your destination? Or in other words at what speed do you lose more time charging than you gain by driving fast? | So using the second chart from a [blog post by Elon JB Straubel](https: www.teslamotors.com blog model-s-efficiency-and-range) and extrapolating a bit after the top value of 80 mph (5% energy increase per 5mph increase) I [came up with this](http: i.imgur.com YxuYvKL.png) (*edit* now with Model S figures not Roadster thanks to people who pointed that out). Also note the battery charges faster the lower it is so that throws a wrinkle into it as well. So from that we see a minimum charge time at around 115 mph. | There post title is confusing but the description is clear. I like the question. Someone less sleep deprived please answer it. | 38 | 2 | 404 |
4dlaeh | 38 | What is the speed you arrive fastest in a Model S over long distance? Assuming a long trip with 0 elevation where you hop from supercharger to supercharger at what speed do you arrive fastest at your destination? Or in other words at what speed do you lose more time charging than you gain by driving fast? | So using the second chart from a [blog post by Elon JB Straubel](https: www.teslamotors.com blog model-s-efficiency-and-range) and extrapolating a bit after the top value of 80 mph (5% energy increase per 5mph increase) I [came up with this](http: i.imgur.com YxuYvKL.png) (*edit* now with Model S figures not Roadster thanks to people who pointed that out). Also note the battery charges faster the lower it is so that throws a wrinkle into it as well. So from that we see a minimum charge time at around 115 mph. | The short answer is that you don t have all the information you need to solve the problem. You need to know the distance between chargers tires weather etc. But you basically want to arrive at the chargers with 0 miles of charge because the car charges the fastest when empty. You then want to charge to 80% because after that you are mostly wasting time. When on long supercharger trips trying to optimize time to destination I try to travel at 65mph until I have significantly more charge than distance to go then I start upping m speed gradually giving myself a 20 mile buffer window. I usually arrive at the supercharger withbetween 10-20 miles and charge to around 80% depending on how far the next trip is (And if m fam is eating or shopping or whatever | 38 | 9 | 405 |
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