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52r9eg | 58 | Tesla just pushed back my delivery window damn... My car went in production nearly three weeks ago. Now today instead of it showing late august-september it says September-Early October - man that is frustrating. I ordered a 90D wondering if they are prioritizing the 100s to maximize profits for the quarter!? And no communication from them about it I had to login to realize it. (still love you Tesla just sad) | Almost all Teslas will go from the assembly line to a rail yard in Richmond CA. Right now that rail yard is crazy busy. As of yesterday they had ~7 000 Teslas that have not been assigned a haul (train car). The Sept. push worked they sold a bunch and are moving tons of inventory. It s just a logistical nightmare. Yeah with that much inventory off their books Tesla will probably show GAAP profitability this quarter. My vehicle has been sitting in the railyard for 6 days now no assigned haul yet. I hope it gets on one by end of this week which from there will take a 5 - 7 day train ride plus a few days for the local service center. I d say if your car went into production in Aug. you will get it in Sept. might be towards the end though. And really there isn t much Tesla can do. They have a modern efficient manufacturing process and their distribution system relies on point of sale low inventory make as ordered model. However they are now dealing with another industry that is outside of their control (for now..haha). Transportation railroad. Some company is hired by the railroad usually to handle rail yard logistics. Tesla can bug them all day but not much they can do. | I know it sucks but now you get the rear cupholders. I d talk to your delivery guy - the website isn t accurate. My car shows that its in the production queue but my delivery guy said it s already on a truck heading to Maryland. | 47 | 4 | 606 |
52r9eg | 58 | Tesla just pushed back my delivery window damn... My car went in production nearly three weeks ago. Now today instead of it showing late august-september it says September-Early October - man that is frustrating. I ordered a 90D wondering if they are prioritizing the 100s to maximize profits for the quarter!? And no communication from them about it I had to login to realize it. (still love you Tesla just sad) | Almost all Teslas will go from the assembly line to a rail yard in Richmond CA. Right now that rail yard is crazy busy. As of yesterday they had ~7 000 Teslas that have not been assigned a haul (train car). The Sept. push worked they sold a bunch and are moving tons of inventory. It s just a logistical nightmare. Yeah with that much inventory off their books Tesla will probably show GAAP profitability this quarter. My vehicle has been sitting in the railyard for 6 days now no assigned haul yet. I hope it gets on one by end of this week which from there will take a 5 - 7 day train ride plus a few days for the local service center. I d say if your car went into production in Aug. you will get it in Sept. might be towards the end though. And really there isn t much Tesla can do. They have a modern efficient manufacturing process and their distribution system relies on point of sale low inventory make as ordered model. However they are now dealing with another industry that is outside of their control (for now..haha). Transportation railroad. Some company is hired by the railroad usually to handle rail yard logistics. Tesla can bug them all day but not much they can do. | Mine went into production last weekend. They JUST called me to schedule delivery next week! Have faith. They might surprise you! | 47 | 4 | 607 |
52rcjs | 394 | Tesla - Made in the USA I know Tesla doesn t spend much on advertising but is anyone else surprised this isn t touted a bit more prominently here in the States? As more and more of the Big Three shift production outside of the country it seems Musk could really get in a good jab at the competition over this. This came to me after Ford s announcement today that they will migrate all small car production to Mexico over the next 2-3 years. | The number of people I ve encountered who think that Tesla is a European brand has been absolutely staggering... I like what Tesla is doing but I only buy American is actually something I ve heard in conversation more than once. Said people are usually floored when I tell them that Tesla is an American company and that my car was built in Fremont. | the big 3 still have quite a few plants in the US as well as others.. but yes Tesla should still be proud anyway. | 195 | 2 | 608 |
52rcjs | 394 | Tesla - Made in the USA I know Tesla doesn t spend much on advertising but is anyone else surprised this isn t touted a bit more prominently here in the States? As more and more of the Big Three shift production outside of the country it seems Musk could really get in a good jab at the competition over this. This came to me after Ford s announcement today that they will migrate all small car production to Mexico over the next 2-3 years. | The number of people I ve encountered who think that Tesla is a European brand has been absolutely staggering... I like what Tesla is doing but I only buy American is actually something I ve heard in conversation more than once. Said people are usually floored when I tell them that Tesla is an American company and that my car was built in Fremont. | I like the idea but MANY cars and trucks are made here. | 195 | 2 | 609 |
52rcjs | 394 | Tesla - Made in the USA I know Tesla doesn t spend much on advertising but is anyone else surprised this isn t touted a bit more prominently here in the States? As more and more of the Big Three shift production outside of the country it seems Musk could really get in a good jab at the competition over this. This came to me after Ford s announcement today that they will migrate all small car production to Mexico over the next 2-3 years. | The number of people I ve encountered who think that Tesla is a European brand has been absolutely staggering... I like what Tesla is doing but I only buy American is actually something I ve heard in conversation more than once. Said people are usually floored when I tell them that Tesla is an American company and that my car was built in Fremont. | I agree -- I wish they touted that more. I think when they get the Gigafactory in full production (or at least producing packs) they ll advertise this more. Because currently batteries (and the largest component of the car) is not made in the U.S. | 195 | 17 | 610 |
5368xr | 491 | As a big car enthusiast (yes including ICEs) I just want to really thank Elon for cutting out dealerships. Before Tesla came along nobody thought it was possible. People always thought the whole dealership experience is like paying tax unpleasant and unavoidable. I have dealt with many dealerships throughout my life from Honda to Ferrari from [quite pleasant experience](https: www.reddit.com r cars comments 41r578 soi_drove_the_new_mclaren_570s ) to [absolute shit show](https: www.reddit.com r cars comments 2z3814 how_did_people_buy_the_new_corvette ) but I ve always had consistently good experience at Tesla showrooms. Sometimes I have relatives or friends visiting from out of town who are into cars I usually do two things: Take them in my M3 and tear apart [Skyline Blvd](https: upload.wikimedia.org wikipedia commons 1 18 San_Francisco_Bay_Area_Skyline_Blvd.jpg). Sometimes doesn t work out because traffic is bad. Take them to the nearby Tesla showroom and let them experience the Ludicrous Mode. Never had a problem with this. We take for granted that Tesla allows almost anyone to test drive a $130k vehicle and very often not much pressure to sell either. The only other brand who s nearly this chill about test driving is Porsche. I really hope this model becomes more and more mainstream the difference between the two is almost like the difference between the Apple Genius Bar and Geek Squad. This direct sales model is in my opinion one of the biggest innovation of Tesla aside from the actual cars. Apologize for the random rant. | Dealerships are just another link in the chain that technology is going to take out. Elon is holding fast because he knows eventually he ll win. There is no longer a need for a middle man because the information dealerships used to give out is now freely available to anyone with an internet connection. Good riddance when the dealerships of yore are put out of business. About time these leeches are taken out. | Woah I ve been to that exact spot right across on skyline blvd :D But yes I agree with you. I m not quite sure how these traditional companies will handle their dealerships when more companies come along and want to sell directly (Apple Faraday Future Tesla etc.) I ve been following Tesla for a few years now last year when I was 19 I asked them if we could do a ride along and they didn t bat an eye... They scheduled a ride along for the next week in a P85D. If its obvious you can t afford one they still treat you like a future customer. | 102 | 15 | 611 |
5368xr | 491 | As a big car enthusiast (yes including ICEs) I just want to really thank Elon for cutting out dealerships. Before Tesla came along nobody thought it was possible. People always thought the whole dealership experience is like paying tax unpleasant and unavoidable. I have dealt with many dealerships throughout my life from Honda to Ferrari from [quite pleasant experience](https: www.reddit.com r cars comments 41r578 soi_drove_the_new_mclaren_570s ) to [absolute shit show](https: www.reddit.com r cars comments 2z3814 how_did_people_buy_the_new_corvette ) but I ve always had consistently good experience at Tesla showrooms. Sometimes I have relatives or friends visiting from out of town who are into cars I usually do two things: Take them in my M3 and tear apart [Skyline Blvd](https: upload.wikimedia.org wikipedia commons 1 18 San_Francisco_Bay_Area_Skyline_Blvd.jpg). Sometimes doesn t work out because traffic is bad. Take them to the nearby Tesla showroom and let them experience the Ludicrous Mode. Never had a problem with this. We take for granted that Tesla allows almost anyone to test drive a $130k vehicle and very often not much pressure to sell either. The only other brand who s nearly this chill about test driving is Porsche. I really hope this model becomes more and more mainstream the difference between the two is almost like the difference between the Apple Genius Bar and Geek Squad. This direct sales model is in my opinion one of the biggest innovation of Tesla aside from the actual cars. Apologize for the random rant. | Dealerships are just another link in the chain that technology is going to take out. Elon is holding fast because he knows eventually he ll win. There is no longer a need for a middle man because the information dealerships used to give out is now freely available to anyone with an internet connection. Good riddance when the dealerships of yore are put out of business. About time these leeches are taken out. | The biggest difference I think is what the Tesla showrooms function is. It is literally a place to show and educate customers about their products. They realised you don t need a physical space to be able to make sales so their mentality is to try to get the customer to come back to give them as much information as possible. | 102 | 18 | 612 |
5368xr | 491 | As a big car enthusiast (yes including ICEs) I just want to really thank Elon for cutting out dealerships. Before Tesla came along nobody thought it was possible. People always thought the whole dealership experience is like paying tax unpleasant and unavoidable. I have dealt with many dealerships throughout my life from Honda to Ferrari from [quite pleasant experience](https: www.reddit.com r cars comments 41r578 soi_drove_the_new_mclaren_570s ) to [absolute shit show](https: www.reddit.com r cars comments 2z3814 how_did_people_buy_the_new_corvette ) but I ve always had consistently good experience at Tesla showrooms. Sometimes I have relatives or friends visiting from out of town who are into cars I usually do two things: Take them in my M3 and tear apart [Skyline Blvd](https: upload.wikimedia.org wikipedia commons 1 18 San_Francisco_Bay_Area_Skyline_Blvd.jpg). Sometimes doesn t work out because traffic is bad. Take them to the nearby Tesla showroom and let them experience the Ludicrous Mode. Never had a problem with this. We take for granted that Tesla allows almost anyone to test drive a $130k vehicle and very often not much pressure to sell either. The only other brand who s nearly this chill about test driving is Porsche. I really hope this model becomes more and more mainstream the difference between the two is almost like the difference between the Apple Genius Bar and Geek Squad. This direct sales model is in my opinion one of the biggest innovation of Tesla aside from the actual cars. Apologize for the random rant. | Dealerships are the primary reason I tend to hold onto my cars much longer than most people do because I despise having to haggle and the games they try to play. When I purchased my last vehicle new in 2012 I paid cash and full price specifically because the hassle wasn t worth it to me to try to save a couple of grand and the dealership still insisted I speak to the finance guys which tried so hard to add on additional warranties and scotch guarding etc... I am very much looking forward to the day when the Tesla model becomes the standard. That would be nice. | Woah I ve been to that exact spot right across on skyline blvd :D But yes I agree with you. I m not quite sure how these traditional companies will handle their dealerships when more companies come along and want to sell directly (Apple Faraday Future Tesla etc.) I ve been following Tesla for a few years now last year when I was 19 I asked them if we could do a ride along and they didn t bat an eye... They scheduled a ride along for the next week in a P85D. If its obvious you can t afford one they still treat you like a future customer. | 50 | 15 | 613 |
53mevp | 74 | Ever had one of those nights? Got a new BlackVue dashcam in the mail tonight for my new S 60D. I decided to try to install it even though I had a long day. After messing with the wiring and doing a super terrible soldering job I managed to make the proper fused adapter to connect the camera to the 12V connection on the roof by the rear view mirror microphone. Drove around my neighborhood to test everything then got back to put my car back together. Unfortunately when putting everything together I broke a few of the clips that hold the black plastic cover for the autopilot camera housing. :( After giving up feeling like shit and deciding to call Tesla in the morning I figured I d go to bed and distract myself with my laptop. Oh right. I left my laptop on my car s rooftop before driving around the block. Laptop is nowhere to be found. I drove around the block twice and couldn t find anything. I better go to sleep before I fuck anything else up. | Check the dashcam footage to see where the laptop fell off. | On a brighter side at least the dash cam caught all the profanity when you realised? Hope tomorrow is better! | 46 | 11 | 614 |
53mevp | 74 | Ever had one of those nights? Got a new BlackVue dashcam in the mail tonight for my new S 60D. I decided to try to install it even though I had a long day. After messing with the wiring and doing a super terrible soldering job I managed to make the proper fused adapter to connect the camera to the 12V connection on the roof by the rear view mirror microphone. Drove around my neighborhood to test everything then got back to put my car back together. Unfortunately when putting everything together I broke a few of the clips that hold the black plastic cover for the autopilot camera housing. :( After giving up feeling like shit and deciding to call Tesla in the morning I figured I d go to bed and distract myself with my laptop. Oh right. I left my laptop on my car s rooftop before driving around the block. Laptop is nowhere to be found. I drove around the block twice and couldn t find anything. I better go to sleep before I fuck anything else up. | Check the dashcam footage to see where the laptop fell off. | Here is an internet point to ease your pain | 46 | 14 | 615 |
53slzu | 65 | Those who upgraded to facelift. Any noticeable improvements in finish fit quality wind noise? Have an 85D currently. Thinking of making the most of the discounts available and upgrading to a 75D facelift. Any current owners have comments on fit finish overall quality etc.? | Having owned four Model S since 2013 my current a Facelift P90DL I can say that Tesla s build quality has improved considerably with each iteration. My current car definitely has the best build so far no wind noise from the windows only one small rattle from the rear driver-side door (to be sorted soon). However I do have a couple of small paint defects on the door sills and a ripple in the bodywork in the trunk sill (interior not visible from the outside). | i didn t own a pre facelift model but I drove a lot and I can t say there are any differences when you are inside the car. The light is a lot better though (if your are in europe) | 31 | 5 | 616 |
53sze4 | 152 | Version 8.0 Worldwide Wednesday Release Thread -- Please post all questions comments and related images here. Duplicate posts will be removed. **Edit**: I posted this without thinking about the new posting structure the mods have discussed. Will likely post a post-release thread to replace this one. Bear with us as we work through the kinks not everyone will be happy. This thread has been suggested to sort as new. If anything blame it on that stupid new guy. **Feel free to discuss in the sub reddit if you d like -- we haven t quite ironed out exactly how to structure just yet.** We ve all been really busy lately. **Edit 2**: I got bored today implemented numerous flair types along with filtering by specific flair (see sidebar). We can further discuss in other future threads. Carry on. **Edit 3:[We ve got Screenshots!](http: imgur.com a TUoFF) and [a new feature discussion thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 53yibi v8_update_officially_being_pushed_out_images )** ____________________________________ **Tweets**: @elonmusk: V8.0 starts downloading tonight. Release will be gradual to make sure there aren t small regressions. Many car configs many environments. **Elon s statements about v8** (thanks u exjr_) - [ My favorite new feature is the always-on max temp control for keeping kids and pets safe from overheating. ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 778602042759585793) - [ Tesla keeps temp below 40C 105F by automatically venting cabin & turning on AC when needed. Can do this for up to a year on a full charge. ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 778602694399320065) - [ Can be turned on or off. V8.1 will allow always-on min and max temps to be set. ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 778603745915527173) **Related Links ** [First look at Tesla v8 Software Update w UI Overall](https: electrek.co 2016 09 17 first-look-at-tesla-v8-0-software-update-with-ui-overhaul-improved-autopilot-visualisation-and-more ) - Electrek.co [Tesla is aiming for a wide release of v8.0 software update on September 21](https: electrek.co 2016 09 16 tesla-is-aiming-for-a-wide-release-of-v8-0-software-update-on-september-21 ) - Electrek.co | I don t know why I m excited. I don t even have the damn car. :-) | It will be quite impressive if it will be released today. EM said that release will be on Wednesday barring any last minute issues and the remote hack seemed to be a last minute issue that had to be fixed. In short I wouldn t be holding my breath for this to be released on time. Edit: seeing Elons latest tweet Im probably wrong :p | 71 | 2 | 617 |
53sze4 | 152 | Version 8.0 Worldwide Wednesday Release Thread -- Please post all questions comments and related images here. Duplicate posts will be removed. **Edit**: I posted this without thinking about the new posting structure the mods have discussed. Will likely post a post-release thread to replace this one. Bear with us as we work through the kinks not everyone will be happy. This thread has been suggested to sort as new. If anything blame it on that stupid new guy. **Feel free to discuss in the sub reddit if you d like -- we haven t quite ironed out exactly how to structure just yet.** We ve all been really busy lately. **Edit 2**: I got bored today implemented numerous flair types along with filtering by specific flair (see sidebar). We can further discuss in other future threads. Carry on. **Edit 3:[We ve got Screenshots!](http: imgur.com a TUoFF) and [a new feature discussion thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 53yibi v8_update_officially_being_pushed_out_images )** ____________________________________ **Tweets**: @elonmusk: V8.0 starts downloading tonight. Release will be gradual to make sure there aren t small regressions. Many car configs many environments. **Elon s statements about v8** (thanks u exjr_) - [ My favorite new feature is the always-on max temp control for keeping kids and pets safe from overheating. ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 778602042759585793) - [ Tesla keeps temp below 40C 105F by automatically venting cabin & turning on AC when needed. Can do this for up to a year on a full charge. ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 778602694399320065) - [ Can be turned on or off. V8.1 will allow always-on min and max temps to be set. ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 778603745915527173) **Related Links ** [First look at Tesla v8 Software Update w UI Overall](https: electrek.co 2016 09 17 first-look-at-tesla-v8-0-software-update-with-ui-overhaul-improved-autopilot-visualisation-and-more ) - Electrek.co [Tesla is aiming for a wide release of v8.0 software update on September 21](https: electrek.co 2016 09 16 tesla-is-aiming-for-a-wide-release-of-v8-0-software-update-on-september-21 ) - Electrek.co | I don t know why I m excited. I don t even have the damn car. :-) | Download starts tonight according to Mr. Musk. Roll out will be gradual. | 71 | 2 | 618 |
53sze4 | 152 | Version 8.0 Worldwide Wednesday Release Thread -- Please post all questions comments and related images here. Duplicate posts will be removed. **Edit**: I posted this without thinking about the new posting structure the mods have discussed. Will likely post a post-release thread to replace this one. Bear with us as we work through the kinks not everyone will be happy. This thread has been suggested to sort as new. If anything blame it on that stupid new guy. **Feel free to discuss in the sub reddit if you d like -- we haven t quite ironed out exactly how to structure just yet.** We ve all been really busy lately. **Edit 2**: I got bored today implemented numerous flair types along with filtering by specific flair (see sidebar). We can further discuss in other future threads. Carry on. **Edit 3:[We ve got Screenshots!](http: imgur.com a TUoFF) and [a new feature discussion thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 53yibi v8_update_officially_being_pushed_out_images )** ____________________________________ **Tweets**: @elonmusk: V8.0 starts downloading tonight. Release will be gradual to make sure there aren t small regressions. Many car configs many environments. **Elon s statements about v8** (thanks u exjr_) - [ My favorite new feature is the always-on max temp control for keeping kids and pets safe from overheating. ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 778602042759585793) - [ Tesla keeps temp below 40C 105F by automatically venting cabin & turning on AC when needed. Can do this for up to a year on a full charge. ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 778602694399320065) - [ Can be turned on or off. V8.1 will allow always-on min and max temps to be set. ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 778603745915527173) **Related Links ** [First look at Tesla v8 Software Update w UI Overall](https: electrek.co 2016 09 17 first-look-at-tesla-v8-0-software-update-with-ui-overhaul-improved-autopilot-visualisation-and-more ) - Electrek.co [Tesla is aiming for a wide release of v8.0 software update on September 21](https: electrek.co 2016 09 16 tesla-is-aiming-for-a-wide-release-of-v8-0-software-update-on-september-21 ) - Electrek.co | I don t know why I m excited. I don t even have the damn car. :-) | https: twitter.com elonmusk status 778599820227252225 | 71 | 5 | 619 |
53tu71 | 28 | Stats folks please explain what Elon means by regressions From @elonmusk: V8.0 starts downloading tonight. Release will be gradual to make sure there aren t small regressions. Many car configs many environments. | Regression is normal software-development-speak for broke something else. | Bugs | 53 | 7 | 620 |
53tu71 | 28 | Stats folks please explain what Elon means by regressions From @elonmusk: V8.0 starts downloading tonight. Release will be gradual to make sure there aren t small regressions. Many car configs many environments. | In software a regression simply means it was working before but now its broken [when we updated the software]. Many software projects have regression tests which are tests that do normal operations and always pass. Then when you make changes all the tests run and if one starts to fail you know you ve got a regression. Also when you add a new feature you add a (few) new regression tests for it. For instance a regression test in a browser like Chrome might be making sure copy and paste still works. This is much harder to do in the real world (with cars!) Real world example with Chrome: Back in 2013 there was an update that broke horizontal scrolling: [\\[Regression\\] Mouse wheel horizontal scroll does not work anymore](https: bugs.chromium.org p chromium issues detail?id=316556) | Bugs | 35 | 7 | 621 |
53yozu | 72 | Insane Tesla Model S repair costs!? [Images of the Vehicle Damage](https: imgur.com a VWcE0) I m having a hard time with the quote I just received for these repairs. The door is not damaged at all. There s some minor folds in the rear quarter panel which means that piece has to be replaced. No electronics damage and no structural damage to the frame. Guess how much? $18 000 - $21 000 estimate. How can this be? This is the Tesla preferred repair shop in St. Louis MO. If you have any other options please let me know. | Plan B: 1. Film each step of the below process. 1. Buy a new [Kia Rio](http: images.autotrader.com cms images best-cars 2014 05-may 7-cheapest-new 224884.jpg) for $14 700 1. Drive to Fremont CA for $500 1. Take the factory tour 1. Find and bribe one of the employees working at [this machine](https: static4.businessinsider.com image 560a2202bd86ef1e008bda79-480 tesla-factory.jpg) for $1000 1. Drive back to St Louis for $500 1. Find a St Louis shop that works on Ford F-150s (also uses Aluminum panels) and pay them $1300 to paint and mount the quarter panel. 1. At this point you re in for $18 000. Once your Tesla is fixed sell the Kia for $10 000. 1. Edit the video. Upload to YouTube. Turn on monetization 1. Post to Reddit 1. Not including the month of your life you just wasted the net cost for this repair should be about $2000 now. *live vs life | If you google around for *Tesla rear quarter panel replacement costs* you can find some high numbers so it s nothing out of the ordinary. https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads body-shop-repair-costs-for-me-a-deal-killer.62246 page-3#post-1387532 > If you have any other options please let me know. Tesla will only give the panel to Tesla approve body shops not sure if others will be cheaper. Only other options is trying to repair it. With aluminium it s not as easy as with steel but you could of course always ask around. | 138 | 5 | 622 |
53yozu | 72 | Insane Tesla Model S repair costs!? [Images of the Vehicle Damage](https: imgur.com a VWcE0) I m having a hard time with the quote I just received for these repairs. The door is not damaged at all. There s some minor folds in the rear quarter panel which means that piece has to be replaced. No electronics damage and no structural damage to the frame. Guess how much? $18 000 - $21 000 estimate. How can this be? This is the Tesla preferred repair shop in St. Louis MO. If you have any other options please let me know. | Plan B: 1. Film each step of the below process. 1. Buy a new [Kia Rio](http: images.autotrader.com cms images best-cars 2014 05-may 7-cheapest-new 224884.jpg) for $14 700 1. Drive to Fremont CA for $500 1. Take the factory tour 1. Find and bribe one of the employees working at [this machine](https: static4.businessinsider.com image 560a2202bd86ef1e008bda79-480 tesla-factory.jpg) for $1000 1. Drive back to St Louis for $500 1. Find a St Louis shop that works on Ford F-150s (also uses Aluminum panels) and pay them $1300 to paint and mount the quarter panel. 1. At this point you re in for $18 000. Once your Tesla is fixed sell the Kia for $10 000. 1. Edit the video. Upload to YouTube. Turn on monetization 1. Post to Reddit 1. Not including the month of your life you just wasted the net cost for this repair should be about $2000 now. *live vs life | A have a really small dent in mine from a parking garage hit and run. I just got quoted over $6k from the Tesla approved body shop in Orlando. That s to repair the dent not to replace the panel. | 138 | 9 | 623 |
53yozu | 72 | Insane Tesla Model S repair costs!? [Images of the Vehicle Damage](https: imgur.com a VWcE0) I m having a hard time with the quote I just received for these repairs. The door is not damaged at all. There s some minor folds in the rear quarter panel which means that piece has to be replaced. No electronics damage and no structural damage to the frame. Guess how much? $18 000 - $21 000 estimate. How can this be? This is the Tesla preferred repair shop in St. Louis MO. If you have any other options please let me know. | Plan B: 1. Film each step of the below process. 1. Buy a new [Kia Rio](http: images.autotrader.com cms images best-cars 2014 05-may 7-cheapest-new 224884.jpg) for $14 700 1. Drive to Fremont CA for $500 1. Take the factory tour 1. Find and bribe one of the employees working at [this machine](https: static4.businessinsider.com image 560a2202bd86ef1e008bda79-480 tesla-factory.jpg) for $1000 1. Drive back to St Louis for $500 1. Find a St Louis shop that works on Ford F-150s (also uses Aluminum panels) and pay them $1300 to paint and mount the quarter panel. 1. At this point you re in for $18 000. Once your Tesla is fixed sell the Kia for $10 000. 1. Edit the video. Upload to YouTube. Turn on monetization 1. Post to Reddit 1. Not including the month of your life you just wasted the net cost for this repair should be about $2000 now. *live vs life | body damage on the aluminum Tesla s has always been reported as extremely expensive. | 138 | 12 | 624 |
54l0qh | 296 | Former Tesla Intern here. I just want to say that Tesla is a great company to work for. It certainly is not for everyone but I often see posts about how Tesla isn t all that great of a company to work for. I want to provide some positive feedback and say that I really enjoyed my time with the company and now can t picture myself anywhere else. The intense environment and hyper motivated culture is something you won t find anywhere else and is exactly what many people are looking for. I would go back in a heartbeat. EDIT: Happy to answer any super general questions that wouldn t violate my NDA. | Awesome! Here s hoping I hear back from one of the recruiters that I ve contacted on LinkedIn or from one of the many positions that I ve applied for as I would love to work there. :) Congrats to you OP. Edit: Outside of contacting recruiters any other tips to ensure that people are looking at your resume and seeing how it lines up with available positions? | Any info on what you were doing or what you plan on doing now that you re done? | 30 | 2 | 625 |
54rwws | 294 | With it being a slow Tesla news day I thought for those interested the SpaceX webcast detailing Mars plans starts soon. Link inside. http: www.spacex.com mars If lots of people have a problem with this post I ll remove it. I thought given the link with Elon it would be well accepted given not much has been happening today. It s like when the teacher is out and the substitute just plays a movie for you because they don t feel like trying. Edit: It s been noted that maybe I shouldn t have posted this -- so it s up to u dieabetic to remove if he likes. I m learning...? | Well there it is guys - he just stated his personal accumulation of assets - their sole purpose is to fund this. Every Tesla you buy every piece of swag - it helps push this. | whew just in time. | 56 | 2 | 626 |
54rwws | 294 | With it being a slow Tesla news day I thought for those interested the SpaceX webcast detailing Mars plans starts soon. Link inside. http: www.spacex.com mars If lots of people have a problem with this post I ll remove it. I thought given the link with Elon it would be well accepted given not much has been happening today. It s like when the teacher is out and the substitute just plays a movie for you because they don t feel like trying. Edit: It s been noted that maybe I shouldn t have posted this -- so it s up to u dieabetic to remove if he likes. I m learning...? | Well there it is guys - he just stated his personal accumulation of assets - their sole purpose is to fund this. Every Tesla you buy every piece of swag - it helps push this. | Anyone else having trouble watching this? I keep reloading it will (tantalizingly) show me one frame and then I get the spinny YT wheel of death :( | 56 | 2 | 627 |
54rwws | 294 | With it being a slow Tesla news day I thought for those interested the SpaceX webcast detailing Mars plans starts soon. Link inside. http: www.spacex.com mars If lots of people have a problem with this post I ll remove it. I thought given the link with Elon it would be well accepted given not much has been happening today. It s like when the teacher is out and the substitute just plays a movie for you because they don t feel like trying. Edit: It s been noted that maybe I shouldn t have posted this -- so it s up to u dieabetic to remove if he likes. I m learning...? | Well there it is guys - he just stated his personal accumulation of assets - their sole purpose is to fund this. Every Tesla you buy every piece of swag - it helps push this. | I m digging the new facial hair...kinda. | 56 | 7 | 628 |
54wrlf | 62 | Weird situation So my owner adviser called last night and confirmed my inventory car will not be delivered on Friday as they were shooting for. I ordered on the 17th of this month. They are asking me to finalize the sale on Friday regardless of the car being here and pushing the sale through. They are offering to then send me home with a loaner car until my car actually comes in. This is obviously frustrating but sounds like others are going through the same thing. ~~He insinuated that if I don t agree to this then the discounted pricing we already agreed on wouldn t be honored so I guess the deposit I put down only holds me to the terms of the sale not them. I think if I really pressed them on that they would fold but not entirely sure.~~ I am obviously very eager to get my car but any Tesla is better than what I am currently driving and finalizing the sale would at least remove any risk on my side of losing the pricing or my current car breaking down etc. I am kind of concerned about how my insurance company is going to handle this situation(this ended up being moot as they were more than fine with it). I am also a little concerned about finalizing sale of a car I have never actually seen. They did reassure me that when my car gets here if I see any issues with it they will resolve them. Still a big purchase to treat in this way. Anyone else being told similar things or in the same situation? Did you press them on anything? I am probably going to try and get something out of this on their side since they are also going to try and send me home with a 70 when I ordered a 90D so I will be paying for more car than I am leaving there with which is also annoying. Any advice on what I could ask for as compensation for the whole situation? **Wow so this kind of blew up in an unexpected way for sure. Guess this is my 15 mins of Reddit fame .Hi Elon :) I think the whole comment above was taken pretty harshly when that was not my intention. I tried to clear that up in comments below but not sure that sticks for whatever reason. I was never threatened on my deal changing in any way and even saying they insinuated was probably a bad choice of words. I am not getting some special deal others aren t getting (trust me I wish) nor is anyone saying any part of my purchase would change whether I finalize this Friday or wait until sometime next month. I m sure the world has moved on at this point but I also just want to say that the whole process with Tesla has been incredible smooth no pressure very information heavy process that will ultimately put other dealers out of business. My Owner Adviser has easily been the best part of this entire process and has been available any time night or day for whatever stupid question I had. He also was very understanding as I struggled to make up my mind on the purchase which most dealers wouldn t have tolerated. | Elon commented on your situation and he is reportedly tracking it down: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 781208061994119168 > Something messed up here. Tesla policy is equal pricing for all. No discounts ever unless a car is a floor model or was damaged. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 781208371378520065 > Am tracking this down ... Super important to be fair. There are zero discounts even for family and friends. | I agree it is pretty shitty on their side. They are going for the biggest quarter they ever had and it ends this Friday. They need you to pay the full car before you receive it. If you do this Tesla have a better quarter thanks to you but you won t have the car for a few days or even next Friday which I understand could be very very frustrating. On the other hand you already agreed to pay for a car with a discount which I suppose they can remove if the terms are not respected. This way you will get the car late and pay more but you will be able to see what you paid for. Really shitty situation : Seems like Tesla still has issues with customer services. The Model S is worth every penny and will get the vehicle no matter what let s just hope that it doesn t come 2 weeks into october. | 52 | 2 | 629 |
54wrlf | 62 | Weird situation So my owner adviser called last night and confirmed my inventory car will not be delivered on Friday as they were shooting for. I ordered on the 17th of this month. They are asking me to finalize the sale on Friday regardless of the car being here and pushing the sale through. They are offering to then send me home with a loaner car until my car actually comes in. This is obviously frustrating but sounds like others are going through the same thing. ~~He insinuated that if I don t agree to this then the discounted pricing we already agreed on wouldn t be honored so I guess the deposit I put down only holds me to the terms of the sale not them. I think if I really pressed them on that they would fold but not entirely sure.~~ I am obviously very eager to get my car but any Tesla is better than what I am currently driving and finalizing the sale would at least remove any risk on my side of losing the pricing or my current car breaking down etc. I am kind of concerned about how my insurance company is going to handle this situation(this ended up being moot as they were more than fine with it). I am also a little concerned about finalizing sale of a car I have never actually seen. They did reassure me that when my car gets here if I see any issues with it they will resolve them. Still a big purchase to treat in this way. Anyone else being told similar things or in the same situation? Did you press them on anything? I am probably going to try and get something out of this on their side since they are also going to try and send me home with a 70 when I ordered a 90D so I will be paying for more car than I am leaving there with which is also annoying. Any advice on what I could ask for as compensation for the whole situation? **Wow so this kind of blew up in an unexpected way for sure. Guess this is my 15 mins of Reddit fame .Hi Elon :) I think the whole comment above was taken pretty harshly when that was not my intention. I tried to clear that up in comments below but not sure that sticks for whatever reason. I was never threatened on my deal changing in any way and even saying they insinuated was probably a bad choice of words. I am not getting some special deal others aren t getting (trust me I wish) nor is anyone saying any part of my purchase would change whether I finalize this Friday or wait until sometime next month. I m sure the world has moved on at this point but I also just want to say that the whole process with Tesla has been incredible smooth no pressure very information heavy process that will ultimately put other dealers out of business. My Owner Adviser has easily been the best part of this entire process and has been available any time night or day for whatever stupid question I had. He also was very understanding as I struggled to make up my mind on the purchase which most dealers wouldn t have tolerated. | Elon commented on your situation and he is reportedly tracking it down: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 781208061994119168 > Something messed up here. Tesla policy is equal pricing for all. No discounts ever unless a car is a floor model or was damaged. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 781208371378520065 > Am tracking this down ... Super important to be fair. There are zero discounts even for family and friends. | Sounds like they re on a lot of pressure to increase numbers for Q3 and that s trickling down to you and they really shouldn t do that. Threatening you with losing your discount is completely ridiculous. They should have just presented this as a way to get you in a car sooner then it just looks like they re being nice. Anyway you can t solve that part so down to the question of what to do. If I were you I think I d take the offer. Better to have something awesome to drive now than to wait. Check with your insurance company (and with Tesla about whether they cover damage instead) before taking the deal of course. I d guess it would be covered but it s better not to guess. I wouldn t worry about paying for a car you haven t seen. If there are problems Tesla will fix them. I can definitely see why you d question that and I d question it too but I think it s OK. I would at least try to get some swag out of the deal. A cool jacket should be the least they can do! And if it makes you feel any better consider that you get to drive the loaner around for a while without putting any miles on your own car. But if this doesn t convince you and you really do want to wait until the car is here before you pay certainly don t let me or anyone else pressure you into doing something different. And if they actually try to go through with pulling out of the discount they offered make sure you have the original discount in writing and then raise total hell because that s simply not acceptable. | 52 | 2 | 630 |
54wrlf | 62 | Weird situation So my owner adviser called last night and confirmed my inventory car will not be delivered on Friday as they were shooting for. I ordered on the 17th of this month. They are asking me to finalize the sale on Friday regardless of the car being here and pushing the sale through. They are offering to then send me home with a loaner car until my car actually comes in. This is obviously frustrating but sounds like others are going through the same thing. ~~He insinuated that if I don t agree to this then the discounted pricing we already agreed on wouldn t be honored so I guess the deposit I put down only holds me to the terms of the sale not them. I think if I really pressed them on that they would fold but not entirely sure.~~ I am obviously very eager to get my car but any Tesla is better than what I am currently driving and finalizing the sale would at least remove any risk on my side of losing the pricing or my current car breaking down etc. I am kind of concerned about how my insurance company is going to handle this situation(this ended up being moot as they were more than fine with it). I am also a little concerned about finalizing sale of a car I have never actually seen. They did reassure me that when my car gets here if I see any issues with it they will resolve them. Still a big purchase to treat in this way. Anyone else being told similar things or in the same situation? Did you press them on anything? I am probably going to try and get something out of this on their side since they are also going to try and send me home with a 70 when I ordered a 90D so I will be paying for more car than I am leaving there with which is also annoying. Any advice on what I could ask for as compensation for the whole situation? **Wow so this kind of blew up in an unexpected way for sure. Guess this is my 15 mins of Reddit fame .Hi Elon :) I think the whole comment above was taken pretty harshly when that was not my intention. I tried to clear that up in comments below but not sure that sticks for whatever reason. I was never threatened on my deal changing in any way and even saying they insinuated was probably a bad choice of words. I am not getting some special deal others aren t getting (trust me I wish) nor is anyone saying any part of my purchase would change whether I finalize this Friday or wait until sometime next month. I m sure the world has moved on at this point but I also just want to say that the whole process with Tesla has been incredible smooth no pressure very information heavy process that will ultimately put other dealers out of business. My Owner Adviser has easily been the best part of this entire process and has been available any time night or day for whatever stupid question I had. He also was very understanding as I struggled to make up my mind on the purchase which most dealers wouldn t have tolerated. | Elon commented on your situation and he is reportedly tracking it down: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 781208061994119168 > Something messed up here. Tesla policy is equal pricing for all. No discounts ever unless a car is a floor model or was damaged. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 781208371378520065 > Am tracking this down ... Super important to be fair. There are zero discounts even for family and friends. | If you can get it in writing recording that they will resolve any and all issues after delivery then I don t see too much harm in proceeding to finalize the sale before delivery. As far as I know Tesla takes care of their customers. If you aren t comfortable with that I also think that you should be able to push them to honor the agreed upon price AFTER the car is delivered. As much as I love Tesla they should not be excused from ethical business practices and fluffing their numbers toes that line in my opinion. | 52 | 3 | 631 |
5584mt | 58 | Things Tesla drivers don t do I picked up my CPO Model S a few days ago and I m already feeling like it s changing my life. Here s a list of things I don t do anymore: * Lock my car (happens automatically) * Unlock my car (ditto) * Start my car * Turn off my car (I still have this moment where I instinctively reach for something to turn off the car after I put it in Park) * Physically activate parking emergency brake * Turn on my headlights (I know I m a little late to this party but it s the first car I ve had with auto lights) * Turn on my windshield wipers (ditto) * Stop at gas stations * Expend brainpower thinking about when I ll have time to stop for gas given how much is left in the tank and what s on my calendar * Think about oil changes engine air filter fluids What else? | * Have any idea what the current gas price is and upon finding out have any idea whether that sounds high or low. | I have to train myself to not take my keys out of my pocket. Unfortunately the other two cars I drive still require physical keys that must be inserted into the ignition. | 63 | 10 | 632 |
5584mt | 58 | Things Tesla drivers don t do I picked up my CPO Model S a few days ago and I m already feeling like it s changing my life. Here s a list of things I don t do anymore: * Lock my car (happens automatically) * Unlock my car (ditto) * Start my car * Turn off my car (I still have this moment where I instinctively reach for something to turn off the car after I put it in Park) * Physically activate parking emergency brake * Turn on my headlights (I know I m a little late to this party but it s the first car I ve had with auto lights) * Turn on my windshield wipers (ditto) * Stop at gas stations * Expend brainpower thinking about when I ll have time to stop for gas given how much is left in the tank and what s on my calendar * Think about oil changes engine air filter fluids What else? | * Have any idea what the current gas price is and upon finding out have any idea whether that sounds high or low. | lower the windows and start revving? | 63 | 24 | 633 |
5584mt | 58 | Things Tesla drivers don t do I picked up my CPO Model S a few days ago and I m already feeling like it s changing my life. Here s a list of things I don t do anymore: * Lock my car (happens automatically) * Unlock my car (ditto) * Start my car * Turn off my car (I still have this moment where I instinctively reach for something to turn off the car after I put it in Park) * Physically activate parking emergency brake * Turn on my headlights (I know I m a little late to this party but it s the first car I ve had with auto lights) * Turn on my windshield wipers (ditto) * Stop at gas stations * Expend brainpower thinking about when I ll have time to stop for gas given how much is left in the tank and what s on my calendar * Think about oil changes engine air filter fluids What else? | * Keep my foot on the brake pedal when stopped | Congrats on the CPO what you get? I just got mine this monday as well!. Using the rear camera as another mirror has been awesomely new for me. | 30 | 2 | 634 |
55o4wg | 78 | New owner FYI about supercharging Issues. It wasn t mentioned at my delivery. During a trip this weekend on my return I had to use a Supercharger. The supercharger was charging at a super slow pace and with a quick bit of googling it was recommended to try a different stall but in my case nothing helped and there was only 1 other car charging in this 8 stall set up... I spoke to my DS today because it was at his location and he said that anytime this happens (rare according to him) call Roadside Assistance because they can provide real time feedback for any supercharger location.. I wasn t aware of this and just sharing the info. | Every supercharger stall *should* have the roadside assistance number printed on it and they re very quick to help. Had similar happen on a road trip - it was about a 2 minute conversation: * Explain the slow charging * Agent will ask what supercharger location (Usually whatever town you re in if in doubt go by what the GPS screen tells you) and stall you re at (Usually printed on the bottom of the stall) * Agent confirms your vehicle ( I see a Model S P85? ) * Agent tells you what the problem is and what to do about it. ( Oh yeah we see a couple reports on that stall already and it s already scheduled for repair sorry for the trouble. We see there s only one other person charging there try 3A or 3B instead ) * They ll stay on the line while you move and confirm you re good to go | It is rare but I ve also been to one station where one specific stall always has a lower output no matter how many cars are there. Normally I will usually make sure my car is charging at a good rate before walking away and swap stalls if needed. Most of the time that works but sounds like that workaround still couldn t fix it. Another tip: make sure the amperage increases (car actually starts charging) before walking away. I ve met several owners at stations who just plugged in walked away and came back to still-empty battery packs. Most of the time they didn t fully seat the charge connector into the charge port. | 46 | 5 | 635 |
55o4wg | 78 | New owner FYI about supercharging Issues. It wasn t mentioned at my delivery. During a trip this weekend on my return I had to use a Supercharger. The supercharger was charging at a super slow pace and with a quick bit of googling it was recommended to try a different stall but in my case nothing helped and there was only 1 other car charging in this 8 stall set up... I spoke to my DS today because it was at his location and he said that anytime this happens (rare according to him) call Roadside Assistance because they can provide real time feedback for any supercharger location.. I wasn t aware of this and just sharing the info. | Every supercharger stall *should* have the roadside assistance number printed on it and they re very quick to help. Had similar happen on a road trip - it was about a 2 minute conversation: * Explain the slow charging * Agent will ask what supercharger location (Usually whatever town you re in if in doubt go by what the GPS screen tells you) and stall you re at (Usually printed on the bottom of the stall) * Agent confirms your vehicle ( I see a Model S P85? ) * Agent tells you what the problem is and what to do about it. ( Oh yeah we see a couple reports on that stall already and it s already scheduled for repair sorry for the trouble. We see there s only one other person charging there try 3A or 3B instead ) * They ll stay on the line while you move and confirm you re good to go | Good info. Thanks for sharing. | 46 | 9 | 636 |
55uq13 | 106 | Multiple Issues with new Model S So I received delivery of the car approximately 2 and a half weeks ago. Since owning the car I have had a few QC issues that have come up. 1) The leather piece on top of the glove compartment fell off - no one hit it the clips were just not installed correctly. This happened on the second day of owning the car. Chalked it up to bad luck. 2) Autopark took over 700 miles to enable - leads me to believe there was a problem with one of the sensors. I took the car into the service center confirmed I was doing everything correctly and it just takes time. Fine - I bought off on it. 3) So finally the autopark works for a couple of days and all of a sudden a message pops up that says auto park not available. Looking around the car I noticed that the front sensor is missing in the bumper. I called the service center and they said something from the road must have popped up and hit the sensor DIRECTLY perfect and knocked it out. I don t buy this at all. It had to have been installed incorrectly - there is no damage on the front bumper and it hasn t been working properly since I took receipt of the car. The service center is saying that they will charge me for the repair since they don t cover damage. Moreover they are an hour away from my location and want me to bring the car in for an assessment take it home then bring it back when they are ready to repair it. Total inconvenience - anyone experience anything similar? Edit: I forgot to add that my AC had stopped working once where an expansion valve was stuck open. Tesla service had to intervene with a software command. Edit #2: Pictures of missing sensor. https: puu.sh rxJDY cb2b65b8b0.png https: puu.sh rxJD1 b148ae5a2a.png https: puu.sh rxJCA d5024a6fe4.jpg Edit #3: Update: so the car went in for service today. They determined that the sensor was not installed correctly the first time (go figure). There was no damage to the sensor and they just had to reset it after taking the bumper off. I asked them to spend some extra time rerunning the inspection because it seems like a lot of these issues should have been caught off the production floor. Not sure what is going on here but there are definitely QC issues that need to be addressed at the factory. | To new Tesla owners: I am happy to drive your vehicle around until autopark is active to save you the trouble. | > 3) How is the cable to the sensor? Might give you a hint to what happened. | 74 | 11 | 637 |
55uq13 | 106 | Multiple Issues with new Model S So I received delivery of the car approximately 2 and a half weeks ago. Since owning the car I have had a few QC issues that have come up. 1) The leather piece on top of the glove compartment fell off - no one hit it the clips were just not installed correctly. This happened on the second day of owning the car. Chalked it up to bad luck. 2) Autopark took over 700 miles to enable - leads me to believe there was a problem with one of the sensors. I took the car into the service center confirmed I was doing everything correctly and it just takes time. Fine - I bought off on it. 3) So finally the autopark works for a couple of days and all of a sudden a message pops up that says auto park not available. Looking around the car I noticed that the front sensor is missing in the bumper. I called the service center and they said something from the road must have popped up and hit the sensor DIRECTLY perfect and knocked it out. I don t buy this at all. It had to have been installed incorrectly - there is no damage on the front bumper and it hasn t been working properly since I took receipt of the car. The service center is saying that they will charge me for the repair since they don t cover damage. Moreover they are an hour away from my location and want me to bring the car in for an assessment take it home then bring it back when they are ready to repair it. Total inconvenience - anyone experience anything similar? Edit: I forgot to add that my AC had stopped working once where an expansion valve was stuck open. Tesla service had to intervene with a software command. Edit #2: Pictures of missing sensor. https: puu.sh rxJDY cb2b65b8b0.png https: puu.sh rxJD1 b148ae5a2a.png https: puu.sh rxJCA d5024a6fe4.jpg Edit #3: Update: so the car went in for service today. They determined that the sensor was not installed correctly the first time (go figure). There was no damage to the sensor and they just had to reset it after taking the bumper off. I asked them to spend some extra time rerunning the inspection because it seems like a lot of these issues should have been caught off the production floor. Not sure what is going on here but there are definitely QC issues that need to be addressed at the factory. | To new Tesla owners: I am happy to drive your vehicle around until autopark is active to save you the trouble. | I had a similar experience to your \\#1 with my Model X. There was a piece of plastic under the driver s seat that came loose. I put it back and it hasn t been a problem since. For Autopark I didn t try it until I had driven well over 1 000 miles...I honestly just didn t think to use it early on! I would keep pushing on the issue where the sensor fell off especially if there s no discernible damage around where it was. Escalate if need be because I think you re right. The one time I took my X in for some early issues they assessed it when I brought it in I didn t have to bring it in before the appointment just to do that - I would seriously push back on that too. It could be a part of the changes they made to try to make service less of a bottleneck but again - it smells like BS. Is there *another* service center you could talk to? It sounds like no since even this one is so far but depending on the distance to the next one it could be worth considering. | 74 | 13 | 638 |
55uq13 | 106 | Multiple Issues with new Model S So I received delivery of the car approximately 2 and a half weeks ago. Since owning the car I have had a few QC issues that have come up. 1) The leather piece on top of the glove compartment fell off - no one hit it the clips were just not installed correctly. This happened on the second day of owning the car. Chalked it up to bad luck. 2) Autopark took over 700 miles to enable - leads me to believe there was a problem with one of the sensors. I took the car into the service center confirmed I was doing everything correctly and it just takes time. Fine - I bought off on it. 3) So finally the autopark works for a couple of days and all of a sudden a message pops up that says auto park not available. Looking around the car I noticed that the front sensor is missing in the bumper. I called the service center and they said something from the road must have popped up and hit the sensor DIRECTLY perfect and knocked it out. I don t buy this at all. It had to have been installed incorrectly - there is no damage on the front bumper and it hasn t been working properly since I took receipt of the car. The service center is saying that they will charge me for the repair since they don t cover damage. Moreover they are an hour away from my location and want me to bring the car in for an assessment take it home then bring it back when they are ready to repair it. Total inconvenience - anyone experience anything similar? Edit: I forgot to add that my AC had stopped working once where an expansion valve was stuck open. Tesla service had to intervene with a software command. Edit #2: Pictures of missing sensor. https: puu.sh rxJDY cb2b65b8b0.png https: puu.sh rxJD1 b148ae5a2a.png https: puu.sh rxJCA d5024a6fe4.jpg Edit #3: Update: so the car went in for service today. They determined that the sensor was not installed correctly the first time (go figure). There was no damage to the sensor and they just had to reset it after taking the bumper off. I asked them to spend some extra time rerunning the inspection because it seems like a lot of these issues should have been caught off the production floor. Not sure what is going on here but there are definitely QC issues that need to be addressed at the factory. | To new Tesla owners: I am happy to drive your vehicle around until autopark is active to save you the trouble. | Damn this sucks to hear. I can understand the issues with the X when it was relatively new and I expect the 3 to have QC issues...but a new Model S? This should be second nature by now. You can buy a 2016 Toyata Yaris for $10K and zero QC issues... Edit: fanboys are out today. How anyone thinks this is acceptable is beyond me. | 74 | 32 | 639 |
560hrw | 31 | US delivery time for the S is now December Had been late October just last week. Very interesting... | Let s speculate wildly as to what this means! - New AP hardware is on order from the suppliers and hasn t arrived yet. - They re still searching for the elusive grey cow from which they get the grey leather seat material from. It s going poorly as the animal is also very very crafty. - They re converting all the battery packs to the P100D s high-density layout now that they ve proved it works well in the P100D. Expect the same capacity but manufacturing is now simpler. - They re all very tired from the 3Q push and just need a beach a chair and some fruity drinks with little umbrellas in them. - They re transitioning completely to Tesla Premium Seats instead of the Recaro-supplied Nexgen seats for all Model S vehicles but they re slow to make. They need some time to stockpile inventory of them before they can run production at full speed. - Elon closed the deal with Amber Heard. They re having a celebratory party and ritual to ensure she will bear a child so beautiful and so brilliant that every human slips down the 1 - 10 scale by two full notches just to make room for him or her. Now I m a solid 2. - They are rolling out ultra white interiors for all Model S variants but they re having supply issues because all the white they re getting is going into the Model X. Rather than admit that ultra white is the problem they re slowing production so that the introduction looks seamless. - The paint shop permitting and scaling problems we ve been discussing have finally become a problem. Apparently you re not allowed to lubricate painting equipment with whale oil. Who knew? - They are separating the Model S and Model X production lines further because the Model X can t be built at the same rate as the Model S. This means both lines are temporarily running slow while the move completes. - In a secret partnership with Valve they re putting the finishing touches on Halflife 3. - The upgrade to the factory to accomodate the Model 3 production line requires that they move some Model S and X equipment. There s no fast way to move million dollar construction robots so this takes time. Also if you don t put it exactly in the right place it ll accidentally weld the doors shut instead of the frame. | Anecdotal evidence - this is yours I take it? Not all will likely see this date it could be something specific to your car s configuration that is waiting on a part or myriad other reasons. | 63 | 3 | 640 |
560hrw | 31 | US delivery time for the S is now December Had been late October just last week. Very interesting... | Let s speculate wildly as to what this means! - New AP hardware is on order from the suppliers and hasn t arrived yet. - They re still searching for the elusive grey cow from which they get the grey leather seat material from. It s going poorly as the animal is also very very crafty. - They re converting all the battery packs to the P100D s high-density layout now that they ve proved it works well in the P100D. Expect the same capacity but manufacturing is now simpler. - They re all very tired from the 3Q push and just need a beach a chair and some fruity drinks with little umbrellas in them. - They re transitioning completely to Tesla Premium Seats instead of the Recaro-supplied Nexgen seats for all Model S vehicles but they re slow to make. They need some time to stockpile inventory of them before they can run production at full speed. - Elon closed the deal with Amber Heard. They re having a celebratory party and ritual to ensure she will bear a child so beautiful and so brilliant that every human slips down the 1 - 10 scale by two full notches just to make room for him or her. Now I m a solid 2. - They are rolling out ultra white interiors for all Model S variants but they re having supply issues because all the white they re getting is going into the Model X. Rather than admit that ultra white is the problem they re slowing production so that the introduction looks seamless. - The paint shop permitting and scaling problems we ve been discussing have finally become a problem. Apparently you re not allowed to lubricate painting equipment with whale oil. Who knew? - They are separating the Model S and Model X production lines further because the Model X can t be built at the same rate as the Model S. This means both lines are temporarily running slow while the move completes. - In a secret partnership with Valve they re putting the finishing touches on Halflife 3. - The upgrade to the factory to accomodate the Model 3 production line requires that they move some Model S and X equipment. There s no fast way to move million dollar construction robots so this takes time. Also if you don t put it exactly in the right place it ll accidentally weld the doors shut instead of the frame. | Could be prioritizing foreign markets production to smooth out the delivery pipeline. | 63 | 19 | 641 |
564rrf | 37 | Test-driving Model S denied Hi Tesla fans I m reaching out to you hoping to find a way to test-drive a Model S with a friend who has yet to be convinced by EVs here in the Cologne Bonn area in Germany. So I m a long time Tesla EV enthusiast and Everything-Elon-Musk-fan. I m envangelizing electric cars particularly Tesla s EVs practically everywhere I go and everyone I meet. I turned the neighbor of a friend who was about to buy a Porsche Panamera into a believer after taking him on a Model S test-drive earlier this year. He s now looking to get a Model X from the US (he s got a friend living in San Diego). Meanwhile I ordered a Model 3 myself a few months ago (no-brainer!). Since then I m showing everyone who comes by our home that gorgeous glossy Model 3 order appreciation token getting even more people interested in Tesla and EVs. So recently my best friend (who lives a few hours from me) came by and I got him super pumped about Model 3. But since he s got zero experience with EVs and only know bad things about them from hearsay (Leaf GTE etc.) he won t join the club until he can convince himself firsthand. So I called the Tesla Store nearby explaining to them that I m a Model 3 preorderer and I have a very good friend who s also a potential Model 3 customer who just needs to experience the thing I m always talking about so enthusiastically. Simple answer from the sales advisor: if you or your friend are not willing to pay 100 grands for a car you re better off looking somewhere else than Tesla . Yeah right... Long story short my friend is coming here next Saturday and I m trying to find a way to put him into a Model S and test-drive it. Do you have a tip for me for an alternative? Maybe rent a Model S? Is there a test-drive willing community in Germany? | If you got the individuals name that said if you or your friend are not willing to pay 100 grands for a car you re better off looking somewhere else than Tesla I would contact the store manager of the location if that doesnt get a better response or someone in a bit of trouble I would reach out to corporate. There is 0 reason for them to say what they said to you. | Try call again and just tell then that you too are interested in a test drive. It s unusual they react like this and I would give it a try | 100 | 2 | 642 |
564rrf | 37 | Test-driving Model S denied Hi Tesla fans I m reaching out to you hoping to find a way to test-drive a Model S with a friend who has yet to be convinced by EVs here in the Cologne Bonn area in Germany. So I m a long time Tesla EV enthusiast and Everything-Elon-Musk-fan. I m envangelizing electric cars particularly Tesla s EVs practically everywhere I go and everyone I meet. I turned the neighbor of a friend who was about to buy a Porsche Panamera into a believer after taking him on a Model S test-drive earlier this year. He s now looking to get a Model X from the US (he s got a friend living in San Diego). Meanwhile I ordered a Model 3 myself a few months ago (no-brainer!). Since then I m showing everyone who comes by our home that gorgeous glossy Model 3 order appreciation token getting even more people interested in Tesla and EVs. So recently my best friend (who lives a few hours from me) came by and I got him super pumped about Model 3. But since he s got zero experience with EVs and only know bad things about them from hearsay (Leaf GTE etc.) he won t join the club until he can convince himself firsthand. So I called the Tesla Store nearby explaining to them that I m a Model 3 preorderer and I have a very good friend who s also a potential Model 3 customer who just needs to experience the thing I m always talking about so enthusiastically. Simple answer from the sales advisor: if you or your friend are not willing to pay 100 grands for a car you re better off looking somewhere else than Tesla . Yeah right... Long story short my friend is coming here next Saturday and I m trying to find a way to put him into a Model S and test-drive it. Do you have a tip for me for an alternative? Maybe rent a Model S? Is there a test-drive willing community in Germany? | If you got the individuals name that said if you or your friend are not willing to pay 100 grands for a car you re better off looking somewhere else than Tesla I would contact the store manager of the location if that doesnt get a better response or someone in a bit of trouble I would reach out to corporate. There is 0 reason for them to say what they said to you. | > He s now looking to get a Model X from the US (he s got a friend living in San Diego). Wait does he want to import a US Model to Germany? | 100 | 6 | 643 |
564rrf | 37 | Test-driving Model S denied Hi Tesla fans I m reaching out to you hoping to find a way to test-drive a Model S with a friend who has yet to be convinced by EVs here in the Cologne Bonn area in Germany. So I m a long time Tesla EV enthusiast and Everything-Elon-Musk-fan. I m envangelizing electric cars particularly Tesla s EVs practically everywhere I go and everyone I meet. I turned the neighbor of a friend who was about to buy a Porsche Panamera into a believer after taking him on a Model S test-drive earlier this year. He s now looking to get a Model X from the US (he s got a friend living in San Diego). Meanwhile I ordered a Model 3 myself a few months ago (no-brainer!). Since then I m showing everyone who comes by our home that gorgeous glossy Model 3 order appreciation token getting even more people interested in Tesla and EVs. So recently my best friend (who lives a few hours from me) came by and I got him super pumped about Model 3. But since he s got zero experience with EVs and only know bad things about them from hearsay (Leaf GTE etc.) he won t join the club until he can convince himself firsthand. So I called the Tesla Store nearby explaining to them that I m a Model 3 preorderer and I have a very good friend who s also a potential Model 3 customer who just needs to experience the thing I m always talking about so enthusiastically. Simple answer from the sales advisor: if you or your friend are not willing to pay 100 grands for a car you re better off looking somewhere else than Tesla . Yeah right... Long story short my friend is coming here next Saturday and I m trying to find a way to put him into a Model S and test-drive it. Do you have a tip for me for an alternative? Maybe rent a Model S? Is there a test-drive willing community in Germany? | If you got the individuals name that said if you or your friend are not willing to pay 100 grands for a car you re better off looking somewhere else than Tesla I would contact the store manager of the location if that doesnt get a better response or someone in a bit of trouble I would reach out to corporate. There is 0 reason for them to say what they said to you. | I think renting a high end model S is good idea. You can enjoy it too. Regarding the sales advisor I hope you report it to Tesla. That kind of answer is unacceptable. | 100 | 8 | 644 |
56hopr | 109 | Model X V8 Update Falcon Wing Door Speed Test Comparison Video Just got my Model X V8 this morning and made a quick side by side comparison video of the Falcon Wing Doors speed. I think the biggest difference I see off the start is closing and locking. A huge difference. Check out the video here: https: youtu.be uzY8gMwgLV4 I updated the video with stopwatch timers: https: youtu.be 3JeVw6uYfrc | Really good video -- not a bunch of BS you just get right to it. I like it. | Did they change the sensors to be better at detecting objects in the path? | 47 | 5 | 645 |
56hopr | 109 | Model X V8 Update Falcon Wing Door Speed Test Comparison Video Just got my Model X V8 this morning and made a quick side by side comparison video of the Falcon Wing Doors speed. I think the biggest difference I see off the start is closing and locking. A huge difference. Check out the video here: https: youtu.be uzY8gMwgLV4 I updated the video with stopwatch timers: https: youtu.be 3JeVw6uYfrc | Really good video -- not a bunch of BS you just get right to it. I like it. | I didn t even pay attention to that on my X. I couldn t get enough of the display. Really like the updated look! | 47 | 9 | 646 |
56hopr | 109 | Model X V8 Update Falcon Wing Door Speed Test Comparison Video Just got my Model X V8 this morning and made a quick side by side comparison video of the Falcon Wing Doors speed. I think the biggest difference I see off the start is closing and locking. A huge difference. Check out the video here: https: youtu.be uzY8gMwgLV4 I updated the video with stopwatch timers: https: youtu.be 3JeVw6uYfrc | Really good video -- not a bunch of BS you just get right to it. I like it. | Nice comparison! Looks vastly improved. Do you have a stopwatch on the times? | 47 | 10 | 647 |
57ey2p | 345 | Sent my Model X in for service at 1 week old for snapping clicking falcon door. Received it back fixed with a different door now clicking and 380 miles added to the odometer?? Hey guys I m kinda confused here. I got my Model X two weeks ago. An alert popped up (3 days before v8.0 update) saying there was something wrong with the air suspension and one of the falcon doors on the passenger side started clicking. I set up a service appointment and dropped it off. It was in service for two days before I got a call saying that it was finished. They said they oiled the doors and they no longer click. No idea why 1 week old doors need oil but okay I m not a mechanic so I just nodded. It was too noisy outside to hear the doors click so when I got home I tested them. Now the drivers side falcon door clicks and the passenger one seems to be okay but not as smooth as it could be. Also the car has an extra almost 400 miles on the odometer. What is that about? Did they put this car on a treadmill for cars or something??? Is there something I m missing? [Invoice showing miles in miles out](http: imgur.com a EQuGX) Edit: spoke with my service rep and she said she thinks she made a mistake recording the mileage when taking the car in. Also have made an appointment for next week to send the car back in for service on the doors. | Welcome to the joys of owning a car that was not ready for production and service centers that have zero competition and therefore no real incentive to provide the service you d expect from a six figure car. I ve had my car in the shop more times than months I ve had it and I live 150 miles from the closest center so it really sucks. | Have you compared it to any other Model X s? I have only ridden in them a few times but did notice a click when the latch engages. Is it under opening? Halfway etc? | 180 | 5 | 648 |
57ey2p | 345 | Sent my Model X in for service at 1 week old for snapping clicking falcon door. Received it back fixed with a different door now clicking and 380 miles added to the odometer?? Hey guys I m kinda confused here. I got my Model X two weeks ago. An alert popped up (3 days before v8.0 update) saying there was something wrong with the air suspension and one of the falcon doors on the passenger side started clicking. I set up a service appointment and dropped it off. It was in service for two days before I got a call saying that it was finished. They said they oiled the doors and they no longer click. No idea why 1 week old doors need oil but okay I m not a mechanic so I just nodded. It was too noisy outside to hear the doors click so when I got home I tested them. Now the drivers side falcon door clicks and the passenger one seems to be okay but not as smooth as it could be. Also the car has an extra almost 400 miles on the odometer. What is that about? Did they put this car on a treadmill for cars or something??? Is there something I m missing? [Invoice showing miles in miles out](http: imgur.com a EQuGX) Edit: spoke with my service rep and she said she thinks she made a mistake recording the mileage when taking the car in. Also have made an appointment for next week to send the car back in for service on the doors. | Welcome to the joys of owning a car that was not ready for production and service centers that have zero competition and therefore no real incentive to provide the service you d expect from a six figure car. I ve had my car in the shop more times than months I ve had it and I live 150 miles from the closest center so it really sucks. | Someone need an X Test Drive for the day... | 180 | 6 | 649 |
57ey2p | 345 | Sent my Model X in for service at 1 week old for snapping clicking falcon door. Received it back fixed with a different door now clicking and 380 miles added to the odometer?? Hey guys I m kinda confused here. I got my Model X two weeks ago. An alert popped up (3 days before v8.0 update) saying there was something wrong with the air suspension and one of the falcon doors on the passenger side started clicking. I set up a service appointment and dropped it off. It was in service for two days before I got a call saying that it was finished. They said they oiled the doors and they no longer click. No idea why 1 week old doors need oil but okay I m not a mechanic so I just nodded. It was too noisy outside to hear the doors click so when I got home I tested them. Now the drivers side falcon door clicks and the passenger one seems to be okay but not as smooth as it could be. Also the car has an extra almost 400 miles on the odometer. What is that about? Did they put this car on a treadmill for cars or something??? Is there something I m missing? [Invoice showing miles in miles out](http: imgur.com a EQuGX) Edit: spoke with my service rep and she said she thinks she made a mistake recording the mileage when taking the car in. Also have made an appointment for next week to send the car back in for service on the doors. | Welcome to the joys of owning a car that was not ready for production and service centers that have zero competition and therefore no real incentive to provide the service you d expect from a six figure car. I ve had my car in the shop more times than months I ve had it and I live 150 miles from the closest center so it really sucks. | Wasn t there some software glitch recently that made some Model S miles jump up or down? I remember a couple people saying their miles had jumped by a couple hundred miles one forward and one backward (can t find the link). Could be related | 180 | 31 | 650 |
57fogh | 99 | Letter to Tesla owners from German Federal Ministry of Transport and Digital Infrastructure regarding Autopilot A few days ago there were reports about the German Ministry of Transport calling Tesla s Autopilot a *considerable traffic hazard* . The Ministry is now sending out a letter to all Tesla owners in Germany. It seems like they finally understood what autopilot is and how it should be treated. [Source](https: www.mobilegeeks.de news bundesverkehrsminister-warnung-tesla-autopilot ) Unprofessional translation: > Dear Mr. Mrs. [Name] > According to our records you own a [Make] [Model]. Due to recent discussions in the media I feel like I should point out a few things. In case your car is equipped with the so called driver assistance system Autopilot please note the following: > The built-in Autopilot is a merely a driver assistance system and not a highly-automated vehicle which could operate the car without the need for constant attention by the driver. > Using the Autopilot system requires constant and full attention by the driver regarding the happenings in road traffic to comply with the restrictions of the Straßenverkehrsordnung. (regulations about road traffic) > Please also take a look at the users manual of your car regarding the limitations of Autopilot and best practices about using it. (Some information about where it s written in the manual) > In this context the following is written: The driver has to stay alert drive safely and be able to maintain control of the car at any point. > If you are no longer owner of this car please send the Ministry or Transport the name and address of the new owner the whereabouts of the vehicle. You can use the following email address: (...) > > With kind regards > (...) | Meanwhile the California DMV thinks that outlawing the term *Autopilot* is the way to go. | To be honest Tesla should really send out a similar to all owners (in their native language). I don t know about recent DS experiences but I would hope they are starting to stress the Assistance System aspect when delivering cars. | 52 | 12 | 651 |
57limm | 25 | So what ARE the current numbers of Model 3 pre-orders at? I still keep reading about the 375k-400k range pre-orders in the news despite it now being half a year since the Model 3 was unveiled. It is not like everyone ordered on day 1 and then it just stopped right? Any estimates - or even better: any official word? Somehow I get the feeling that Tesla is being really quiet about the current number maybe saving it as a spare punch to the face or something to whoever may deserve it but I can t really see a reason as to why this should even be required. | Even if there s more now it may not be such a great idea to disclose it. It was great around the unveiling to show the car was a smash. And that did rock the automotive world some more. But disclosing too high numbers now will just discourage some potential buyers who will think: Am I really going to add myself to this massive queue and get this car only 4 years from now ? | I think it would be fair to say that it is likely to be 400k+. By the end of the year it would probably be 500k+. The big question shouldn t be what is the pre-order numbers but why is Tesla not releasing them? On first thought wouldn t you want to brag about the massive pre-orders at every opportunity you get? No other automaker has ever got this number before. The bigger it is the better right? I ve give this some serious thought and below are my reasons why I don t think they will release any numbers before the Model 3 starts production. Firstly They are listening to their potential consumer base and there are thousands out there that are scared of the long line . It would be daunting to anybody that is considering putting $1 000 down to think that Tesla will be delivering 400 000 cars before they start delivering theirs. Imagine what they would think if they knew it was half a million? If it was me I wouldn t put my money down anymore. The queue is too long. In addition Tesla hasn t proven that they can deliver on-time. Secondly one of the big advantages of having such a large pre-order number is so they can go to the debt market and get massive loans at a discount. But the price they re getting is probably not going to be much different whether they have 400k or 500k preorders. | 33 | 4 | 652 |
57xi40 | 21 | Wednesday announcement prediction: AP 2.0 as standalone product I know something AP related is not a new guess for next announcement but I haven t seen it mentioned with this twist (sorry to this sub s experts if my parsing failed). I was thinking Tesla might be announcing AP 2.0 and the unexpected part will be that it will be a standalone product as a platform. Motivation for this is because Tesla no longer plans to use Mobileye and they are said to be working on a complete in-house product. This would allow them to sell AP as a platform to car manufacturers. So while yes it would be a competitive loss if other makes used the same autonomous tech it would be a win for the progress of self driving safety and adoption. Plus $$$ for Tesla. Really most manufacturers will offer full autonomy at some point Tesla might as well get a piece of that pie rather than let it go to Google Uber etc. This could possibly also help AP get through regulation faster if it had more market share and corporation muscle depending on it. Anyway just an idea with lots of pros and cons and varying range of likelihood :) | Tesla wouldn t sell AP separately. They re too vertically integrated and AP requires a ton of hardware software to work well together. This is actually one reason Tesla stopped working with MobileEye -- because MobileEye had to support so many manufacturers it slowed their progress down. | I want to agree with you but the fact that it was postponed makes me skeptical that it s AP 2.0. Traditionally a CEO would not pre-announce something big until it was in the bag so to speak. This might be a lesser product than AP 2.0. I wonder if some kind of A B test is going on and Elon intended a Wednesday release after all. | 36 | 2 | 653 |
57xi40 | 21 | Wednesday announcement prediction: AP 2.0 as standalone product I know something AP related is not a new guess for next announcement but I haven t seen it mentioned with this twist (sorry to this sub s experts if my parsing failed). I was thinking Tesla might be announcing AP 2.0 and the unexpected part will be that it will be a standalone product as a platform. Motivation for this is because Tesla no longer plans to use Mobileye and they are said to be working on a complete in-house product. This would allow them to sell AP as a platform to car manufacturers. So while yes it would be a competitive loss if other makes used the same autonomous tech it would be a win for the progress of self driving safety and adoption. Plus $$$ for Tesla. Really most manufacturers will offer full autonomy at some point Tesla might as well get a piece of that pie rather than let it go to Google Uber etc. This could possibly also help AP get through regulation faster if it had more market share and corporation muscle depending on it. Anyway just an idea with lots of pros and cons and varying range of likelihood :) | Tesla wouldn t sell AP separately. They re too vertically integrated and AP requires a ton of hardware software to work well together. This is actually one reason Tesla stopped working with MobileEye -- because MobileEye had to support so many manufacturers it slowed their progress down. | Good points and I can see Tesla doing something like this. Elon opened all of Tesla s patents so that other car makers could further the sustainable transport cause it seems as though opening up Tesla Vision would go hand-in-hand with Elon s desire to reach full autonomy ASAP. | 36 | 3 | 654 |
57xi40 | 21 | Wednesday announcement prediction: AP 2.0 as standalone product I know something AP related is not a new guess for next announcement but I haven t seen it mentioned with this twist (sorry to this sub s experts if my parsing failed). I was thinking Tesla might be announcing AP 2.0 and the unexpected part will be that it will be a standalone product as a platform. Motivation for this is because Tesla no longer plans to use Mobileye and they are said to be working on a complete in-house product. This would allow them to sell AP as a platform to car manufacturers. So while yes it would be a competitive loss if other makes used the same autonomous tech it would be a win for the progress of self driving safety and adoption. Plus $$$ for Tesla. Really most manufacturers will offer full autonomy at some point Tesla might as well get a piece of that pie rather than let it go to Google Uber etc. This could possibly also help AP get through regulation faster if it had more market share and corporation muscle depending on it. Anyway just an idea with lots of pros and cons and varying range of likelihood :) | Tesla wouldn t sell AP separately. They re too vertically integrated and AP requires a ton of hardware software to work well together. This is actually one reason Tesla stopped working with MobileEye -- because MobileEye had to support so many manufacturers it slowed their progress down. | odds are it is the HUD | 36 | 3 | 655 |
5827hq | 106 | The Model 3 page on Tesla.com has been updated with new wording regarding deliveries. [http: imgur.com qZ4Y1Ck](http: imgur.com qZ4Y1Ck) The site now says: **Production** begins late 2017 while before it used to say *Deliveries* begin late 2017. Does this mean the actual deliveries to customers has been pushed into early 2018? I sure hope not. What do you guys think? Edit: BTW I used the site [http: www.changedetection.com ](http: www.changedetection.com ) to receive email notifications on when the webpage gets changed updated. **EDIT #2**: The website text now has been changed to Production starts **mid** 2017 not late 2017. Confidence restored! | the text reads -> deliveries for NEW reservations start mid 2018... | Of course this is what it means. | 67 | 2 | 656 |
5827hq | 106 | The Model 3 page on Tesla.com has been updated with new wording regarding deliveries. [http: imgur.com qZ4Y1Ck](http: imgur.com qZ4Y1Ck) The site now says: **Production** begins late 2017 while before it used to say *Deliveries* begin late 2017. Does this mean the actual deliveries to customers has been pushed into early 2018? I sure hope not. What do you guys think? Edit: BTW I used the site [http: www.changedetection.com ](http: www.changedetection.com ) to receive email notifications on when the webpage gets changed updated. **EDIT #2**: The website text now has been changed to Production starts **mid** 2017 not late 2017. Confidence restored! | the text reads -> deliveries for NEW reservations start mid 2018... | Still going to buy one the day I can. That being said... I should probably go buy a car while I wait. Currently driving a nearly 30 year old beater. | 67 | 2 | 657 |
5827hq | 106 | The Model 3 page on Tesla.com has been updated with new wording regarding deliveries. [http: imgur.com qZ4Y1Ck](http: imgur.com qZ4Y1Ck) The site now says: **Production** begins late 2017 while before it used to say *Deliveries* begin late 2017. Does this mean the actual deliveries to customers has been pushed into early 2018? I sure hope not. What do you guys think? Edit: BTW I used the site [http: www.changedetection.com ](http: www.changedetection.com ) to receive email notifications on when the webpage gets changed updated. **EDIT #2**: The website text now has been changed to Production starts **mid** 2017 not late 2017. Confidence restored! | the text reads -> deliveries for NEW reservations start mid 2018... | This was expected. I wouldn t be surprised if there are further rewordings delays | 67 | 3 | 658 |
5894gp | 50 | So what time is the product announcement? I know it s supposed to be today but I haven t seen anything with regard to the exact time. | Elon o clock | Elon will tweet about it 4-8hrs before the press call conference. Last two have been at around 11am(Press) embargoed for 1hr then 12pm public announcement. | 85 | 10 | 659 |
589fo0 | 293 | Official new Tesla Product unveil post - please keep all post in here It s product unveil day folks. This is the official new Tesla Product unveil post so please keep all post in here. Other threads will be removed. As we started doing since the last announcement we will also make another thread post-announcement with all the information Tesla releases. _________________ Elon says the announcement will go live at 5pm PT https: twitter.com elonmusk status 788794291900469248 Elon Musk confirmed that today s event is what he was previously referring to as ‘Tesla Model 3 part 2 : https: twitter.com elonmusk status 788823067392749568 _________________ All we know for a fact is that it is a “new Tesla product” or at least that s how the company referred to it on [Twitter](https: twitter.com TeslaMotors status 787805984521457664). We also know that CEO Elon Musk thinks that it is “unexpected by most”. Finally we also know that it needed “a few more days of refinement” on Sunday. Though Musk might have been referring to the unveiling or a demo and not the product itself. That s about the extent of what we know for sure about the upcoming product unveil today. Tesla will be releasing more information about the logistics of the unveiling this morning and we expect a press call to follow. | OMG PART 2 WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS HOLY | I know it won t be a new model because of the unexpected factor. But I would sign up immediately with a deposit for the Tesla mini-bus mini-van. | 100 | 2 | 660 |
589fo0 | 293 | Official new Tesla Product unveil post - please keep all post in here It s product unveil day folks. This is the official new Tesla Product unveil post so please keep all post in here. Other threads will be removed. As we started doing since the last announcement we will also make another thread post-announcement with all the information Tesla releases. _________________ Elon says the announcement will go live at 5pm PT https: twitter.com elonmusk status 788794291900469248 Elon Musk confirmed that today s event is what he was previously referring to as ‘Tesla Model 3 part 2 : https: twitter.com elonmusk status 788823067392749568 _________________ All we know for a fact is that it is a “new Tesla product” or at least that s how the company referred to it on [Twitter](https: twitter.com TeslaMotors status 787805984521457664). We also know that CEO Elon Musk thinks that it is “unexpected by most”. Finally we also know that it needed “a few more days of refinement” on Sunday. Though Musk might have been referring to the unveiling or a demo and not the product itself. That s about the extent of what we know for sure about the upcoming product unveil today. Tesla will be releasing more information about the logistics of the unveiling this morning and we expect a press call to follow. | OMG PART 2 WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS HOLY | Solar City roof that integrates battery for home DC fast charging. I haven t gotten the math to really work out in my head but that s still my guess. | 100 | 2 | 661 |
589fo0 | 293 | Official new Tesla Product unveil post - please keep all post in here It s product unveil day folks. This is the official new Tesla Product unveil post so please keep all post in here. Other threads will be removed. As we started doing since the last announcement we will also make another thread post-announcement with all the information Tesla releases. _________________ Elon says the announcement will go live at 5pm PT https: twitter.com elonmusk status 788794291900469248 Elon Musk confirmed that today s event is what he was previously referring to as ‘Tesla Model 3 part 2 : https: twitter.com elonmusk status 788823067392749568 _________________ All we know for a fact is that it is a “new Tesla product” or at least that s how the company referred to it on [Twitter](https: twitter.com TeslaMotors status 787805984521457664). We also know that CEO Elon Musk thinks that it is “unexpected by most”. Finally we also know that it needed “a few more days of refinement” on Sunday. Though Musk might have been referring to the unveiling or a demo and not the product itself. That s about the extent of what we know for sure about the upcoming product unveil today. Tesla will be releasing more information about the logistics of the unveiling this morning and we expect a press call to follow. | OMG PART 2 WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS HOLY | Telsa motorcycle or scooter. | 100 | 2 | 662 |
58dprx | 5,306 | Tesla announces full autonomy hardware (AP 2.0) on all production vehicles starting now [Official Thread - Please keep all posts in here] **All Tesla Vehicles Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware** Self-driving vehicles will play a crucial role in improving transportation safety and accelerating the world s transition to a sustainable future. Full autonomy will enable a Tesla to be substantially safer than a human driver lower the financial cost of transportation for those who own a car and provide low-cost on-demand mobility for those who do not. We are excited to announce that as of today all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. Eight surround cameras provide 360 degree visibility around the car at up to 250 meters of range. Twelve updated ultrasonic sensors complement this vision allowing for detection of both hard and soft objects at nearly twice the distance of the prior system. A forward-facing radar with enhanced processing provides additional data about the world on a redundant wavelength capable of seeing through heavy rain fog dust and even the car ahead. To make sense of all of this data a new onboard computer with more than 40 times the computing power of the previous generation runs the new Tesla-developed neural net for vision sonar and radar processing software. Together this system provides a view of the world that a driver alone cannot access seeing in every direction simultaneously and on wavelengths that go far beyond the human senses. Model S and Model X vehicles with this new hardware are already in production and customers can purchase one today: https: www.tesla.com autopilot Before activating the features enabled by the new hardware we will further calibrate the system using millions of miles of real-world driving to ensure significant improvements to safety and convenience. While this is occurring Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking collision warning lane holding and active cruise control. As these features are robustly validated we will enable them over-the-air together with a rapidly expanding set of entirely new features. As always our over-the-air software updates will keep customers at the forefront of technology and continue to make every Tesla including those equipped with first-generation Autopilot and earlier cars more capable over time. | Musk says that by the end of next year they plan a demonstration drive from coast to coast with no human intervention including charging. https: twitter.com tsrandall status 788896478555152384 | Niiice | 1,302 | 2 | 663 |
58dprx | 5,306 | Tesla announces full autonomy hardware (AP 2.0) on all production vehicles starting now [Official Thread - Please keep all posts in here] **All Tesla Vehicles Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware** Self-driving vehicles will play a crucial role in improving transportation safety and accelerating the world s transition to a sustainable future. Full autonomy will enable a Tesla to be substantially safer than a human driver lower the financial cost of transportation for those who own a car and provide low-cost on-demand mobility for those who do not. We are excited to announce that as of today all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. Eight surround cameras provide 360 degree visibility around the car at up to 250 meters of range. Twelve updated ultrasonic sensors complement this vision allowing for detection of both hard and soft objects at nearly twice the distance of the prior system. A forward-facing radar with enhanced processing provides additional data about the world on a redundant wavelength capable of seeing through heavy rain fog dust and even the car ahead. To make sense of all of this data a new onboard computer with more than 40 times the computing power of the previous generation runs the new Tesla-developed neural net for vision sonar and radar processing software. Together this system provides a view of the world that a driver alone cannot access seeing in every direction simultaneously and on wavelengths that go far beyond the human senses. Model S and Model X vehicles with this new hardware are already in production and customers can purchase one today: https: www.tesla.com autopilot Before activating the features enabled by the new hardware we will further calibrate the system using millions of miles of real-world driving to ensure significant improvements to safety and convenience. While this is occurring Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking collision warning lane holding and active cruise control. As these features are robustly validated we will enable them over-the-air together with a rapidly expanding set of entirely new features. As always our over-the-air software updates will keep customers at the forefront of technology and continue to make every Tesla including those equipped with first-generation Autopilot and earlier cars more capable over time. | Musk says that by the end of next year they plan a demonstration drive from coast to coast with no human intervention including charging. https: twitter.com tsrandall status 788896478555152384 | Awesome. | 1,302 | 2 | 664 |
58dprx | 5,306 | Tesla announces full autonomy hardware (AP 2.0) on all production vehicles starting now [Official Thread - Please keep all posts in here] **All Tesla Vehicles Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware** Self-driving vehicles will play a crucial role in improving transportation safety and accelerating the world s transition to a sustainable future. Full autonomy will enable a Tesla to be substantially safer than a human driver lower the financial cost of transportation for those who own a car and provide low-cost on-demand mobility for those who do not. We are excited to announce that as of today all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. Eight surround cameras provide 360 degree visibility around the car at up to 250 meters of range. Twelve updated ultrasonic sensors complement this vision allowing for detection of both hard and soft objects at nearly twice the distance of the prior system. A forward-facing radar with enhanced processing provides additional data about the world on a redundant wavelength capable of seeing through heavy rain fog dust and even the car ahead. To make sense of all of this data a new onboard computer with more than 40 times the computing power of the previous generation runs the new Tesla-developed neural net for vision sonar and radar processing software. Together this system provides a view of the world that a driver alone cannot access seeing in every direction simultaneously and on wavelengths that go far beyond the human senses. Model S and Model X vehicles with this new hardware are already in production and customers can purchase one today: https: www.tesla.com autopilot Before activating the features enabled by the new hardware we will further calibrate the system using millions of miles of real-world driving to ensure significant improvements to safety and convenience. While this is occurring Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking collision warning lane holding and active cruise control. As these features are robustly validated we will enable them over-the-air together with a rapidly expanding set of entirely new features. As always our over-the-air software updates will keep customers at the forefront of technology and continue to make every Tesla including those equipped with first-generation Autopilot and earlier cars more capable over time. | Musk says that by the end of next year they plan a demonstration drive from coast to coast with no human intervention including charging. https: twitter.com tsrandall status 788896478555152384 | how was this announced? is there a stream? | 1,302 | 2 | 665 |
58fj2q | 76 | I love how positive everyone is here! Such a great supportive sub! So after reading the new mega threads and recent HYPE about new products there is such a huge amount of positivity between tesla owners and fans here it s great to see! Some other reddits have some crazy people who just downvote for the sake of it and it drives me crazy! Well done to everyone here for making this an exciting and enjoyable Reddit to hang out! :) | > Some other reddits have some crazy people who just downvote for the sake of it and it drives me crazy! Try posting a controversial opinion on this sub. It s positive and supportive as long as you have nothing but praise for Tesla. | I think it s because generally Tesla fans are very rational and forward thinking people that care about the future. | 42 | 13 | 666 |
58ft6y | 1,209 | Video is up: Elon Musk on Twitter Tesla drives itself (no human input at all) thru urban streets to highway to streets then finds a parking spot Tweet: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 789019145853513729 Video: https: www.tesla.com videos full-self-driving-hardware-all-teslas Autopilot Info: https: www.tesla.com autopilot Edit: Added the link to their Autopilot page (which also has the video). | I like Musk s tweet after the video came out: When you want your car to return tap Summon on your phone. It will eventually find you even if you are on the other side of the country | The future is here and it is sexy. | 337 | 19 | 667 |
58ft6y | 1,209 | Video is up: Elon Musk on Twitter Tesla drives itself (no human input at all) thru urban streets to highway to streets then finds a parking spot Tweet: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 789019145853513729 Video: https: www.tesla.com videos full-self-driving-hardware-all-teslas Autopilot Info: https: www.tesla.com autopilot Edit: Added the link to their Autopilot page (which also has the video). | I like Musk s tweet after the video came out: When you want your car to return tap Summon on your phone. It will eventually find you even if you are on the other side of the country | I just about posted the same thing 2 minutes after you. Deleted my post and came here to comment. I just wanted to say that we are truly living in the future. I can t believe that my first ever car that I will own will not only be amazing but also self-driving! I ll make everything in my power to be able to purchase the Model 3 in 2019 when I think it ll be ready for us down here in Eastern Europe. Enough time to save plan and get ready for the future! :) | 337 | 34 | 668 |
58ft6y | 1,209 | Video is up: Elon Musk on Twitter Tesla drives itself (no human input at all) thru urban streets to highway to streets then finds a parking spot Tweet: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 789019145853513729 Video: https: www.tesla.com videos full-self-driving-hardware-all-teslas Autopilot Info: https: www.tesla.com autopilot Edit: Added the link to their Autopilot page (which also has the video). | I like Musk s tweet after the video came out: When you want your car to return tap Summon on your phone. It will eventually find you even if you are on the other side of the country | Watching it navigate non-interstate roads as well as intersections with no traffic lights (and even the ones with traffic lights) is incredibly surreal. Can anyone identify the logo that keeps popping up in the dash? | 337 | 46 | 669 |
58gg2q | 52 | Those of you who just took delivery how do you feel? This last quarter was a record breaking quarter which doesn t come as a surprise based on the rebates given. Now it seems obvious Tesla simply wanted to get rid of inventory in order to end up with the next generation stuff. I personally just took delivery knowing that new technology will always keep coming but now I m worried that our cars will lose value since this announcement completely changes how the car drives (if I understood the changes correctly). How do you all feel about this? Any regrets? Will you be changing your car sooner than expected to experience the new hardware? | I m ridiculously ridiculously happy. Right now I own the best car available in the world. Yeah it s a 60 without dual motors. Didn t know that was the best car? Did you think that the P100DL was? FOOLS. Here s why the 60 is better: *it s mine*. Kidding aside I own the best car _for me_ right now which is a 60 with AP1. And in six months it ll be the second-best car in the world and that s okay. Not everything can be retrofit. Technology improves. We move on. I m insanely happy because when I have kids they re going to grow up not knowing a world without some form of autonomous driving. As my parents get older they re going to be able to get around far better than their parents because the car will be able to do 99% of the work for them. And I m thrilled because when the time comes to replace my girlfriend s car it ll be upgraded to something electric and autonomous. Under the weight of all of that how the hell petty would it be for me to whine and winge about the *magic fucking futurecar* that I have right now not getting a feature that isn t going to be fully implemented for possible years yet? | I bought a CPO 2013 fully knowing what I was getting into but I am still FOMOing quite a bit. I have zero regrets and still plan to trade in to a Model 3 in the future. One thing I think is still possible is a retrofit for that yet-to-be-announced HUD system. That would be awesome. | 57 | 3 | 670 |
58gg2q | 52 | Those of you who just took delivery how do you feel? This last quarter was a record breaking quarter which doesn t come as a surprise based on the rebates given. Now it seems obvious Tesla simply wanted to get rid of inventory in order to end up with the next generation stuff. I personally just took delivery knowing that new technology will always keep coming but now I m worried that our cars will lose value since this announcement completely changes how the car drives (if I understood the changes correctly). How do you all feel about this? Any regrets? Will you be changing your car sooner than expected to experience the new hardware? | I m ridiculously ridiculously happy. Right now I own the best car available in the world. Yeah it s a 60 without dual motors. Didn t know that was the best car? Did you think that the P100DL was? FOOLS. Here s why the 60 is better: *it s mine*. Kidding aside I own the best car _for me_ right now which is a 60 with AP1. And in six months it ll be the second-best car in the world and that s okay. Not everything can be retrofit. Technology improves. We move on. I m insanely happy because when I have kids they re going to grow up not knowing a world without some form of autonomous driving. As my parents get older they re going to be able to get around far better than their parents because the car will be able to do 99% of the work for them. And I m thrilled because when the time comes to replace my girlfriend s car it ll be upgraded to something electric and autonomous. Under the weight of all of that how the hell petty would it be for me to whine and winge about the *magic fucking futurecar* that I have right now not getting a feature that isn t going to be fully implemented for possible years yet? | I assume most people who ordered last quarter knew the AP2.0 is coming soon. Tesla makes several improvements per week. It s non stop. Sometimes you have to pull the trigger life is short enjoy while you can. Maybe later you can trade in and get the latest greatest. | 57 | 3 | 671 |
58gg2q | 52 | Those of you who just took delivery how do you feel? This last quarter was a record breaking quarter which doesn t come as a surprise based on the rebates given. Now it seems obvious Tesla simply wanted to get rid of inventory in order to end up with the next generation stuff. I personally just took delivery knowing that new technology will always keep coming but now I m worried that our cars will lose value since this announcement completely changes how the car drives (if I understood the changes correctly). How do you all feel about this? Any regrets? Will you be changing your car sooner than expected to experience the new hardware? | I m ridiculously ridiculously happy. Right now I own the best car available in the world. Yeah it s a 60 without dual motors. Didn t know that was the best car? Did you think that the P100DL was? FOOLS. Here s why the 60 is better: *it s mine*. Kidding aside I own the best car _for me_ right now which is a 60 with AP1. And in six months it ll be the second-best car in the world and that s okay. Not everything can be retrofit. Technology improves. We move on. I m insanely happy because when I have kids they re going to grow up not knowing a world without some form of autonomous driving. As my parents get older they re going to be able to get around far better than their parents because the car will be able to do 99% of the work for them. And I m thrilled because when the time comes to replace my girlfriend s car it ll be upgraded to something electric and autonomous. Under the weight of all of that how the hell petty would it be for me to whine and winge about the *magic fucking futurecar* that I have right now not getting a feature that isn t going to be fully implemented for possible years yet? | So I have a theory on this. From reading this subreddit and the owners forums on the tesla site I ve come to understand that people are very passionate about Tesla... seemingly much more so than other car companies. People seem emotionally invested in the technology the mission and the vision of Elon Musk. Generally that s a good thing but as they say there s a fine line between love and hate. Lots of people seem to have extended themselves financially to buy into their Teslas I think because they want to feel like a part of this revolution. But when they make a big emotional and financial investment and then Tesla introduces some new killer feature they just missed it hurts... more deeply because of that emotional investment. They feel betrayed. That I suppose is the double-edged sword of being Tesla. You have passionate fans but that passion can quickly turn bitter if your customers feel slighted. I ve got a little under two years left on my three year lease. I m looking forward to a new S hopefully right around the time I ll never have to worry about actually driving it. | 57 | 3 | 672 |
58gsdc | 27 | Fully autonomous cars and police stops. What will the car do? I am assuming officer error and not car error and the officer wants to pull over a speeding Tesla or a Tesla that failed to yield. Will the car know it is being stopped? What is the officer going to do with a stopped empty car if it does? | What will happen at check points when I m wasted in the back seat ? | (Note: An unoccupied autonomous vehicle is very unlikely to be violating any laws so we re talking about an unlikely edge case here) The officer can take the plate number. If the officer feels the car is a public danger they could take it out with a pit-maneuver. | 41 | 10 | 673 |
58hhhm | 61 | For those of you who recently took delivery and feel bad: My Thoughts Ok so AP 2.0 it s out. I took delivery about 4 weeks ago so I m in the same boat. When I read the announcement for the first 5 min. or so my chest hurt. I m a nerd I love having the latest and greatest. But here s the deal. This is actually much more positive than you may think it is. 1. With AP 2.0 the amount of data they will be able to collect is magnitudes higher than before. Even with none of the features turned on the system is always pretending to run and simulating what it would do if it had control. This is how you train a deep learning system (large neural net). I ve built and trained machine learning systems (much less complex) and the amount of data for even the simplest things is immense. Bottom line: The new AP 2.0 cars will not only be training these systems for themselves but that data and trained networks will be used to help AP 1.0. I d say after a year or two AP 1.0 will be so much further ahead than it is today it will be like night and day. So do not worry your car is not obsolete. 2. Some of the features demoed including ones already working on AP 1.0 will actually take a while to implement. From right now I would say you at least have about a year and a half before upgrading even becomes worth it for most. In terms of cost delta of buying a new car and the added benefit you would receive. Let s call 1.5 years the break even point on a utility function if you will. So don t worry much will change your AP 1.0 will keep getting a LOT better. Even if your utility function given your ability to upgrade due to financial reasons has you at the earliest upgrading 3+ years from now you will really not be very far behind. Hell even if it s 6-7 years you will still be so far ahead of any other cars on the market. Tesla easily has a 3-4 year advantage on every other car company just on data alone. So realistically you won t even see competitors that come close to Tesla until around 2020. Which lines up with what other automakers are saying as well. 3. When you can upgrade let s say 3 4 years assuming Moore s law remains true (which..it will people who say otherwise can not envision what doesn t exists. It s a singularity problem...) the tech then will make AP 2.0 seem obsolete. I do like the fact Tesla stated that AP 2.0 is future proof but I work in the tech world...there is no such thing. It s almost 100% certainty that 3-4 years from now it will be a 2-4x of what it is today possibly more. We are only at the beginning of understanding complex machine learning algorithms. It s advancing ridiculously fast. Faster than hardware. So yeah be happy with your purchase enjoy it. You still have one of the most advanced safe cars in the world. Also the legal environment going forward from this point will become dicey. Which unfortunately may hold back advancements that are technologically possible. Which will adjust your utility function of upgrading as above. | In 3 4 years when it s time to upgrade I ll get a AP2 car weeks before AP3 is announced. I m sure. | I took delivery on Sept. 29th. In my other post I said I was totally fine and still am. Like you I love the latest and greatest but when I made the decision to purchase we all knew it was coming just not when.. Finally this is not the last Tesla I will be buying Model 3 and beyond in my lifetime. Congrats to the soon to be owners in some way we all contributed to the new generation and dawn of full autonomy. My wife wants a Model 3 and i will be putting a deposit back down today or in the next couple of days. We will have 1 full autonomous car and when we get rid of the X hopefully for another X we will have 2 :-) | 39 | 5 | 674 |
58hy8r | 117 | is Model 3 autopilot delivery possible ? So just throwing this out there since full autopilot and model 3 are relatively close to each other could it be possible for model 3 to just delver itself to owner then notify them that its parked just outside so owner goes outside sees their new car gets close to car then door opens itself owner finds keys on seat and starts the car and gets greeted by autopilot voiceover then car gives gives a full demo of features upon first ride would be fantastic impression | I really doubt that full autonomy will be ready by the time Model 3 starts rolling off the line. The hardware is there but the software will take another couple of years at least. Initial 3 deliveries will have to be the old-fashioned way. I could see this happening eventually though. For people worried about putting thousands of miles on the car before you even take ownership they could still train truck the cars to a nearby distribution point then turn them loose from there. | I love this idea. Probably won t happen at least not at first but it s a great mental image. | 40 | 2 | 675 |
58hy8r | 117 | is Model 3 autopilot delivery possible ? So just throwing this out there since full autopilot and model 3 are relatively close to each other could it be possible for model 3 to just delver itself to owner then notify them that its parked just outside so owner goes outside sees their new car gets close to car then door opens itself owner finds keys on seat and starts the car and gets greeted by autopilot voiceover then car gives gives a full demo of features upon first ride would be fantastic impression | Not only deliveries but also trips to service centers. I see tesla using this for cars regardless if the owner paid to unlock the software or not | If anything it could be this way with local delivery. Transported to you local Tesla hub and then comes to your home. | 71 | 34 | 676 |
58hy8r | 117 | is Model 3 autopilot delivery possible ? So just throwing this out there since full autopilot and model 3 are relatively close to each other could it be possible for model 3 to just delver itself to owner then notify them that its parked just outside so owner goes outside sees their new car gets close to car then door opens itself owner finds keys on seat and starts the car and gets greeted by autopilot voiceover then car gives gives a full demo of features upon first ride would be fantastic impression | I really doubt that full autonomy will be ready by the time Model 3 starts rolling off the line. The hardware is there but the software will take another couple of years at least. Initial 3 deliveries will have to be the old-fashioned way. I could see this happening eventually though. For people worried about putting thousands of miles on the car before you even take ownership they could still train truck the cars to a nearby distribution point then turn them loose from there. | I figured that the cars would probably drive from the factory all the way to the home. Which would explain why they are going to California first and to previous owners first. S and X owners will have already poured some fleet data into the system so AP 2.0 will at the very least be able to get their daily work commute right. | 40 | 3 | 677 |
58zskp | 293 | Yes Elon is doing an AMA no it s not about Tesla so please stop posting I had to remove a ton of posts about Elon s upcoming AMA today. Please stop posting it. His AMA is on r spacex which is an awesome sub and you should definetely subscribe if you are into SpaceX and the colonization of Mars. But Elon s team told r spacex mods that he will not be taking questions about Tesla so please stop promoting the AMA here. It will only encourage people to go and ask Tesla related questions. And also RULE #2!!! Elon s last AMA was also SpaceX-related (last year) and I asked Tesla s team if we could arrange for him to do one about Tesla next. At that time they said yes but they stop answering my inquiries when it didn t seem like it was going to happen. I reached out again earlier this month and they said that it wasn t in the plans. They are more careful about how they do comms with Tesla since it s a public company but I really don t see anything stopping him for doing a AMA on r teslamotors. Anyway I ll keep trying but in the meantime please leave this one alone unless you want to get into space stuff. In that case go nuts! Cheers Fred | Questions about Burning Man or your electric bus are also _strictly prohibited_. | Hey everyone did you know a Elon is doing an AMA? | 104 | 27 | 678 |
59dm6l | 32 | Girlfriend paid for the deposit for the Model 3 then she left me now what happens? Long story short she paid for the deposit as a present for me but everything is under my name including reservation holder contact email primary contact etc. I called Tesla and they said that although everything is under my name she s still the financial obligated person and she can cancel the reservation anytime (she won t) so I was more worried about when I actually purchased the car if it ll affect anything and if I qualify for the tax credit will it still be under my name? Does anyone have any experience in this matter? Thanks! | If the reservation is in your name it s all yours. if it s in her name it s hers. That simple. You can t transfer outside of direct family and even then it s very difficult. She COULD do a charge back with her credit card depending on how long it s been. Assuming it s in your name YOU are still on the hook for everything else not her. Final payment and such is arranged at delivery. I imagine them saying she s the financially obligated person means that if YOU cancel she gets the deposit back not you. If you want to be an adult offer to pay her back $1000. Sometimes things go south. If she says No it was a gift or ZOMG never talk to me! then you re in the clear but you should at the very least offer and DOCUMENT that action just in case she does try and do a charge back or mess with your reservation otherwise. | Her deposit is just a down payment essentially. Nothing is registered in her name. | 40 | 8 | 679 |
59h4um | 109 | Tesla Q3 2016 financial results and conference call (5:30pm UTC-4) [Official thread] Please keep all posts related to the earnings shareholders letter and conference call in this post. I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available * [Tesla Confenrece Call](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=176516) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2281889652x0x913801 F9E5C36A-AFDD-4FF2-A375-ED9B0F912622 Q3_16_Update_Letter_-_final.pdf) ______________________________ Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its third quarter 2016 financial results on Wednesday October 26 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by **a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time - UTC-4)**. Now here s what to expect on Wednesday: It s a particularly interesting earnings because Tesla generally releases its third quarter financial results during the first week of November but earlier this month the company announced that they will release the results a week early and just two days before the big ‘solar roof event planned for October 28. What also makes this quarter interesting is that CEO Elon Musk commented about Tesla s performance throughout the quarter which is fairly rare. He referred to it as ‘likely the best quarter in Tesla history and said that Tesla could reach GAAP profitability which would be a first in 3 years. **Deliveries** The company already confirmed having delivered a record number of vehicles during the quarter: 24 500. It was a 70% increase quarter-to-quarter and a more than 100% increase over the same period in 2015. https: i.imgur.com UvwZjUP.jpg Tesla updates deliveries when releasing the financial results but the difference is generally less than 1%. When releasing the delivery numbers earlier this month the company reiterated its guidance of 50 000 vehicles during the second half of the year. Tesla exited the third quarter with a production rate of more than 2 000 vehicles per week and over 5 000 vehicles in transit. **Revenue** Of course the surge in deliveries will inevitably create a surge in revenue. Wall Street s revenue consensus is $2.43 billion for the quarter while Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts $2.221 billion in revenue. That s up from $1.5 billion during the last quarter and $1.2 billion in Q3 2015. The predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com EhEMfT8.jpg As you can see predictions have been tracking very closely to the actual results when it comes to revenue. **Earnings** It s another thing for earnings per share or rather loss per share but Elon Musk gave investors hope that it could be in the black this quarter. The Wall Street consensus is a slight gain of $0.02 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is actually a small loss of $0.04 per share. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 0VNo9aO.jpg Tesla will only report its GAAP financial results this quarter now that it discontinued ‘Resale Value Guarantee program for new vehicles. Additionally if Tesla indeed achieved profitability during the quarter it will be interesting to see how the ZEV credits contributed. Again Tesla will release the results after market close on Wednesday October 26 2016 and management will hold a conference call with Q& A at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time - UTC-4). You can join on the call through [Tesla s investor relations website](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=176516). | There are skeptics out there and I suggest they don t bet against us. So awesome. | I feel like the results of q3 earnings is already priced in...not anticipating much movement. | 90 | 2 | 680 |
59h4um | 109 | Tesla Q3 2016 financial results and conference call (5:30pm UTC-4) [Official thread] Please keep all posts related to the earnings shareholders letter and conference call in this post. I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available * [Tesla Confenrece Call](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=176516) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2281889652x0x913801 F9E5C36A-AFDD-4FF2-A375-ED9B0F912622 Q3_16_Update_Letter_-_final.pdf) ______________________________ Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its third quarter 2016 financial results on Wednesday October 26 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by **a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time - UTC-4)**. Now here s what to expect on Wednesday: It s a particularly interesting earnings because Tesla generally releases its third quarter financial results during the first week of November but earlier this month the company announced that they will release the results a week early and just two days before the big ‘solar roof event planned for October 28. What also makes this quarter interesting is that CEO Elon Musk commented about Tesla s performance throughout the quarter which is fairly rare. He referred to it as ‘likely the best quarter in Tesla history and said that Tesla could reach GAAP profitability which would be a first in 3 years. **Deliveries** The company already confirmed having delivered a record number of vehicles during the quarter: 24 500. It was a 70% increase quarter-to-quarter and a more than 100% increase over the same period in 2015. https: i.imgur.com UvwZjUP.jpg Tesla updates deliveries when releasing the financial results but the difference is generally less than 1%. When releasing the delivery numbers earlier this month the company reiterated its guidance of 50 000 vehicles during the second half of the year. Tesla exited the third quarter with a production rate of more than 2 000 vehicles per week and over 5 000 vehicles in transit. **Revenue** Of course the surge in deliveries will inevitably create a surge in revenue. Wall Street s revenue consensus is $2.43 billion for the quarter while Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts $2.221 billion in revenue. That s up from $1.5 billion during the last quarter and $1.2 billion in Q3 2015. The predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com EhEMfT8.jpg As you can see predictions have been tracking very closely to the actual results when it comes to revenue. **Earnings** It s another thing for earnings per share or rather loss per share but Elon Musk gave investors hope that it could be in the black this quarter. The Wall Street consensus is a slight gain of $0.02 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is actually a small loss of $0.04 per share. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 0VNo9aO.jpg Tesla will only report its GAAP financial results this quarter now that it discontinued ‘Resale Value Guarantee program for new vehicles. Additionally if Tesla indeed achieved profitability during the quarter it will be interesting to see how the ZEV credits contributed. Again Tesla will release the results after market close on Wednesday October 26 2016 and management will hold a conference call with Q& A at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time - UTC-4). You can join on the call through [Tesla s investor relations website](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=176516). | There are skeptics out there and I suggest they don t bet against us. So awesome. | I will try to hear it live but will someone record it? Tks | 90 | 2 | 681 |
59h4um | 109 | Tesla Q3 2016 financial results and conference call (5:30pm UTC-4) [Official thread] Please keep all posts related to the earnings shareholders letter and conference call in this post. I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available * [Tesla Confenrece Call](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=176516) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2281889652x0x913801 F9E5C36A-AFDD-4FF2-A375-ED9B0F912622 Q3_16_Update_Letter_-_final.pdf) ______________________________ Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its third quarter 2016 financial results on Wednesday October 26 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by **a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time - UTC-4)**. Now here s what to expect on Wednesday: It s a particularly interesting earnings because Tesla generally releases its third quarter financial results during the first week of November but earlier this month the company announced that they will release the results a week early and just two days before the big ‘solar roof event planned for October 28. What also makes this quarter interesting is that CEO Elon Musk commented about Tesla s performance throughout the quarter which is fairly rare. He referred to it as ‘likely the best quarter in Tesla history and said that Tesla could reach GAAP profitability which would be a first in 3 years. **Deliveries** The company already confirmed having delivered a record number of vehicles during the quarter: 24 500. It was a 70% increase quarter-to-quarter and a more than 100% increase over the same period in 2015. https: i.imgur.com UvwZjUP.jpg Tesla updates deliveries when releasing the financial results but the difference is generally less than 1%. When releasing the delivery numbers earlier this month the company reiterated its guidance of 50 000 vehicles during the second half of the year. Tesla exited the third quarter with a production rate of more than 2 000 vehicles per week and over 5 000 vehicles in transit. **Revenue** Of course the surge in deliveries will inevitably create a surge in revenue. Wall Street s revenue consensus is $2.43 billion for the quarter while Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts $2.221 billion in revenue. That s up from $1.5 billion during the last quarter and $1.2 billion in Q3 2015. The predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com EhEMfT8.jpg As you can see predictions have been tracking very closely to the actual results when it comes to revenue. **Earnings** It s another thing for earnings per share or rather loss per share but Elon Musk gave investors hope that it could be in the black this quarter. The Wall Street consensus is a slight gain of $0.02 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is actually a small loss of $0.04 per share. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 0VNo9aO.jpg Tesla will only report its GAAP financial results this quarter now that it discontinued ‘Resale Value Guarantee program for new vehicles. Additionally if Tesla indeed achieved profitability during the quarter it will be interesting to see how the ZEV credits contributed. Again Tesla will release the results after market close on Wednesday October 26 2016 and management will hold a conference call with Q& A at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time - UTC-4). You can join on the call through [Tesla s investor relations website](http: ir.tesla.com eventdetail.cfm?EventID=176516). | There are skeptics out there and I suggest they don t bet against us. 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59he3w | 184 | Bob Lutz was just on CNBC talking about how Tesla is a sinking ship He said people make Elon out to be some God of the auto industry when he is in fact at the helm of a sinking ship . Poor Bob looks so old and out of touch. I actually felt a little bad for the guy as you could tell he doesn t truly believe what he is saying. Thanks to u Laboe for the direct link: http: www.cnbc.com 2016 10 26 ex-gm-vice-chair-blasts-tesla-saying-supporters-like-members-of-a-religious-cult.html | Having bankrupted GM makes you an expert in sinking ships. | Lol oh boy. | 259 | 3 | 683 |
59he3w | 184 | Bob Lutz was just on CNBC talking about how Tesla is a sinking ship He said people make Elon out to be some God of the auto industry when he is in fact at the helm of a sinking ship . Poor Bob looks so old and out of touch. I actually felt a little bad for the guy as you could tell he doesn t truly believe what he is saying. Thanks to u Laboe for the direct link: http: www.cnbc.com 2016 10 26 ex-gm-vice-chair-blasts-tesla-saying-supporters-like-members-of-a-religious-cult.html | Having bankrupted GM makes you an expert in sinking ships. | This is why I can t do traditional media. It s just garbage. If it s not about local news it s a waste. Tesla is kicking ass and that s why everyone is scrambling. If they weren t no one would be uttering the word. Too bad that there are people out there who don t understand this. | 259 | 10 | 684 |
59he3w | 184 | Bob Lutz was just on CNBC talking about how Tesla is a sinking ship He said people make Elon out to be some God of the auto industry when he is in fact at the helm of a sinking ship . Poor Bob looks so old and out of touch. I actually felt a little bad for the guy as you could tell he doesn t truly believe what he is saying. Thanks to u Laboe for the direct link: http: www.cnbc.com 2016 10 26 ex-gm-vice-chair-blasts-tesla-saying-supporters-like-members-of-a-religious-cult.html | Having bankrupted GM makes you an expert in sinking ships. | If you revere Mustangs and Camaros it s as car club car culture thing but if you love Tesla because the cars drive-insanely-awesome-like-nothing-you ve-felt-before it s a cult (as Bob dinosaur juice Lutz says). This guy. A car guy worth their salt should be so proud of any fine machine. | 259 | 13 | 685 |
59on1v | 82 | Elon: It s not Tesla vs. Uber it s the people vs Uber Elon said this at the tail end of the conference call. It s a fascinating statement. He s basically saying either people can benefit financially from car sharing networks or we can cede it to one or two corporations to own and reap all of the financial rewards. Thoughts? | He s not talking about the Uber that is now but the Uber that will be in the future. Iirc Uber plans on owning a fleet of SDCs to replace all the drivers now and then Uber will be the only ones making all the money while Tesla would use the owner s cars and pay them back for putting it on to the Tesla Network . | Uber is thoroughly despised here by a large swath of the public. And talking to some of the local politicians about SDCs they are protecting local taxi services against foreign large corporations (which is hard to argue against). The Tesla model makes it much much easier to sell SDCs to a city government. | 49 | 16 | 686 |
59ulag | 289 | Tesla solar roof + Powerwall 2.0 event - webcast starts 5:30pm PDT (UTC-7) [official thread] Please keep all posts related to the event in here. A webcast from Universal Studio in LA is expected to start at 5:30pm local PDT (UTC-7) - likely available at tesla.com as usual. I ll update with a direct link as it becomes available. Here s the link: https: powerwall.tesla.com Elon says that it will start on time because of the timing with the sunset (6:03pm). If no one can maybe the sun can make Tesla Elon start an event on time. As previously confirmed by Tesla Powerwall 2.0 and a new solar roof product are expected to be unveiled. Last month Elon also talked about a new Tesla charger but it was left out of recent comments about the event by both Musk and Tesla so it s not clear if it s still in the plans at this point. Have fun! Fred | ELON JUST MADE A VELVET JACKET JOKE!! | I m playing an orchestra concert that starts exactly when the event does :( Any suggestions on how to follow the unveiling after the fact without running into spoilers everywhere? I like the real-time suspense of keynote events... | 100 | 2 | 687 |
59ulag | 289 | Tesla solar roof + Powerwall 2.0 event - webcast starts 5:30pm PDT (UTC-7) [official thread] Please keep all posts related to the event in here. A webcast from Universal Studio in LA is expected to start at 5:30pm local PDT (UTC-7) - likely available at tesla.com as usual. I ll update with a direct link as it becomes available. Here s the link: https: powerwall.tesla.com Elon says that it will start on time because of the timing with the sunset (6:03pm). If no one can maybe the sun can make Tesla Elon start an event on time. As previously confirmed by Tesla Powerwall 2.0 and a new solar roof product are expected to be unveiled. Last month Elon also talked about a new Tesla charger but it was left out of recent comments about the event by both Musk and Tesla so it s not clear if it s still in the plans at this point. Have fun! Fred | ELON JUST MADE A VELVET JACKET JOKE!! | Fair enough. Thought you were suggesting that the roof itself would be paid off as well. I can see the differential between a regular roof and a solar roof being paid off in about 5 years. | 100 | 2 | 688 |
59ulag | 289 | Tesla solar roof + Powerwall 2.0 event - webcast starts 5:30pm PDT (UTC-7) [official thread] Please keep all posts related to the event in here. A webcast from Universal Studio in LA is expected to start at 5:30pm local PDT (UTC-7) - likely available at tesla.com as usual. I ll update with a direct link as it becomes available. Here s the link: https: powerwall.tesla.com Elon says that it will start on time because of the timing with the sunset (6:03pm). If no one can maybe the sun can make Tesla Elon start an event on time. As previously confirmed by Tesla Powerwall 2.0 and a new solar roof product are expected to be unveiled. Last month Elon also talked about a new Tesla charger but it was left out of recent comments about the event by both Musk and Tesla so it s not clear if it s still in the plans at this point. Have fun! Fred | ELON JUST MADE A VELVET JACKET JOKE!! | Is anyone actually surprised that the event is delayed? | 100 | 2 | 689 |
59v1jj | 42 | Tesla salesman said the modelX 5 seater will have flat folding seats! He didn t mention how flat they were going to be hopefully fully flat unlike the model s but he said that s why it s taking so long. I m not sure if this is old news but a youtube video was saying how the 5 seater was going to be the same as the other models in terms of not being able to fold down the seats. Just wanted to give you all an update! | Not to rain on anyone s parade but I wouldn t but any stock into what the sales people say. They ll say stuff just to keep potential buyers interested and usually don t know any more than the most knowledgable people on this subreddit. That said this may turn out to be true. But I won t be surprised if it doesn t. | My salesperson indicated the only difference would be no rear row. Will be interesting to see what happens. The best outcome would be folding seats in the 5 seater and a removable seat kit for the other models. Yeah I know that s unlikely. | 48 | 2 | 690 |
59v1jj | 42 | Tesla salesman said the modelX 5 seater will have flat folding seats! He didn t mention how flat they were going to be hopefully fully flat unlike the model s but he said that s why it s taking so long. I m not sure if this is old news but a youtube video was saying how the 5 seater was going to be the same as the other models in terms of not being able to fold down the seats. Just wanted to give you all an update! | Not to rain on anyone s parade but I wouldn t but any stock into what the sales people say. They ll say stuff just to keep potential buyers interested and usually don t know any more than the most knowledgable people on this subreddit. That said this may turn out to be true. But I won t be surprised if it doesn t. | Does that mean the 5 seater needs it s own regulation testing? | 48 | 3 | 691 |
59v1jj | 42 | Tesla salesman said the modelX 5 seater will have flat folding seats! He didn t mention how flat they were going to be hopefully fully flat unlike the model s but he said that s why it s taking so long. I m not sure if this is old news but a youtube video was saying how the 5 seater was going to be the same as the other models in terms of not being able to fold down the seats. Just wanted to give you all an update! | Not to rain on anyone s parade but I wouldn t but any stock into what the sales people say. They ll say stuff just to keep potential buyers interested and usually don t know any more than the most knowledgable people on this subreddit. That said this may turn out to be true. But I won t be surprised if it doesn t. | Couldn t believe they didn t fold. I was shocked when I found out. I have never seen and would never have imagined a sports UTILITY vehicle without folding seats! Glad they re going to fix it. (though without the 60 option it s probably still out of my price range :( ) | 48 | 9 | 692 |
59zcx7 | 42 | Anyone else frustrated at tonight s event? Perhaps I m more frustrated because I decided to attend. The livestream probably felt fine but the actual event was a complete cluster. From the 1 hour line of Teslas (due to valet required parking and poor entry route) to the event time being switched last minute to Elon s presentation not feeling prepared or complete (what s the price? How do I get it? What maintenance is required? There were so many questions left unanswered) Just curious if anyone else left frustrated. I love the product I think it s gorgeous and I ll be buying it. But the event felt like disaster. I wish I had stayed at home and watched the stream with a cup of scotch. | I think they are intentionally withholding details about the solar roof particularly pricing until the merger is voted on and consummated if that does indeed happen. That is why they provided pricing for the new Powerwall which is happening regardless of the vote outcome but not the solar roof. They revealed the solar roof now to give voters some idea of what they should expect if the companies were to merge. They also previously teased that Panasonic will be making solar panels in the Buffalo factory but didn t provide much detail on the arrangement because it is only a letter of intent at this point. This is also why they revealed the solar roof on a Friday evening because shareholders would tune in but most other people would be getting ready for the weekend. In other words Elon was trying to sell voters on the idea not customers. He is still hedging in case the vote does not go through. If Tesla and SolarCity shareholders vote in favor of the merger I would expect more detail about Tesla s solar aspirations to come out at that point. | I agree Elon should consider using prepared remarks(on telepromter) for speeches like this. | 74 | 2 | 693 |
5a8w23 | 73 | Just finished watching Before the Flood. What is needed to get to 100 Gigafactories in the world specifically? And what do you think the breakdown will be in terms of the # of Gigafactories per country continent? | Buy more products that use their outputs. There are already gigafactories just not at the scale of Tesla s Gigafactory 1. For example the Panasonic Suminoe plant in Osaka Japan produces the cells for Tesla today. Roughly 7 GWh of output. LG s plant in Ochang South Korea has a nameplate capacity of roughly 4 GWh using the latest cells. It has been chronically underutilized but should be better utilized with the Chevy Bolt and Hyundai Ioniq sales. Clearly though Tesla is looking to have 150 GWh out of a single plant which is a completely different level. But clearly changing diet like far less beef using Terravia oil instead of palm oil and in general lower our carbon footprint will go a very long way. And we have to support a carbon tax (revenue neutral) to affect faster change throughout societies. | Elon says Tesla cannot do it alone. But I think at least their expertise will need to be lended - their way of making the machine that makes the machine like building a SoC. And they have a wing division called Tesla Construction who could possibly become a contractor-for-hire for the other Gigafactories. They re obviously a bit tied up at the moment so how long would it take I wonder for them to become free enough to help out with the first non-Tesla Gigafactory? Or do you guys think they ll build #2 and #3 before open-sourcing the plans or something? I know all of this is speculation but I want to get at least the discussion started. | 35 | 3 | 694 |
5a8w23 | 73 | Just finished watching Before the Flood. What is needed to get to 100 Gigafactories in the world specifically? And what do you think the breakdown will be in terms of the # of Gigafactories per country continent? | Man that movie hit a nerve. Makes me want to buy my Tesla sooner. Also I had no idea beef and methane was such a large contributor. I truly hope we get our asses in gear. | Elon says Tesla cannot do it alone. But I think at least their expertise will need to be lended - their way of making the machine that makes the machine like building a SoC. And they have a wing division called Tesla Construction who could possibly become a contractor-for-hire for the other Gigafactories. They re obviously a bit tied up at the moment so how long would it take I wonder for them to become free enough to help out with the first non-Tesla Gigafactory? Or do you guys think they ll build #2 and #3 before open-sourcing the plans or something? I know all of this is speculation but I want to get at least the discussion started. | 29 | 3 | 695 |
5ai7j9 | 206 | I think people are massively underestimating the impact of the new powerwall powerpacks The price point that the powerwall2 and powerpacks that tesla are delivering are super disruptive to the market IMO. I am not talking for residential customers I mean big players that will buy a lot of these: -Datacenters -Military -Retail stores -Anyone with business critical IT infrastructure Battery storage has hit a price point where commercial customers are the lions share of the market right now not residential customers. As an example Tesco in UK have these big-ass generators for their stores as an insurance policy. If the grid goes down they stand to lose thousands in turnover per hour and thousands in spoilt food. These generators cost several thousand per year in maintenance support contracts alone for each site and sit unused > 99.9% of the time. If investment was switched over to on site battery storage they then get the loadshifting play by filling batteries at night and drawing down a portion of them during the day. So now their insurance policy actually becomes cost negative. There are all sorts of other externalised costs that are often overlooked when relying on generators as emergency backup. We had a failover to generators once at our datacenter and the generator failed to start (dead 12V battery - can you believe it!). The absolute shit show that ensued must have cost 10s of thousands of dollars in labour. I would not want to be in the generator business right now that s for sure. | > I would not want to be in the generator business right now that s for sure If I was in the generator business right now I would switch to the battery business or a hybrid of it. People have to realize a business has to be constantly up-to-date these days. | For datacenters the output is still just 1 or 2 percent of what is required. Solar needs to get much more efficient to be interesting for datacenters. Edit: to your point about the failed genset: that s why you should perform regular no-load and full-load tests. Replacing the sets with batteries makes no sense at the moment as well. For a DC with 10MW of load you would need a hell lot of batteries(and soace to place them) to keep it running > 36h (which is the lower end for most enterprises) also you can not just refill them when you need a little bit more time. | 51 | 9 | 696 |
5akod4 | 23 | Getting headaches in my new Model S please help? I have had a Model S P90DL for about 5 weeks now and in that time I ve been getting a nagging headache. At first I didn t want to admit to myself that it was the Tesla that I paid $130k for was the cause but I ve done my analysis and concluded that it is something in the P90DL. I need help in how to proceed. & nbsp **Here s my methodology:** * Drove the P90DL with all windows closed => **Got a headache.** * Drove the P90DL with Biodefence mode => **Got a headache.** * Drove the P90DL with all windows open => **Got a headache.** * Drove the P90DL gently and didn t floor it constantly => **No changes still had a headache.** * Switched to my wifes car a Range Rover Sport for a full week => Headache went away almost instantly and stayed away. * Switched back to the P90DL this week => **Got a headache during the drive day 1.** & nbsp What can I do next? I ve tried googling tesla headaches and have gotten nowhere. & nbsp Here are a couple of options I came up with: * Go to my doctor and ask what could be causing these headaches. * Go to Tesla and explain my headaches situation and have them look at it. I feel I need a better story to tell to figure out why. & nbsp Has anyone experienced this or has any ideas about what to do? Thanks. | I d assume it s the new car smell causing it. Lots of plastics and leathers and whatnot giving off gasses that are assaulting your olfactory nerve. Put the car outside open all doors and windows and set up a couple fans to blow through it to speed up the expulsion of those gasses. | That sucks big time. Sorry to hear that. Sounds like you re allergic to your Tesla. Some people can get headaches from offensive strong smells. I know hairspray gives me the same reaction. I m sure it does but does the car still have that new car smell? It s could be something related to that. Someone on here once gave a unique way to get rid of the new car smell but for the life of me can t remember what it was. I would try to get ride of that smell and see then how you feel that s all I got. | 34 | 2 | 697 |
5al8e7 | 87 | Tesla Discusses Pending Acquisition of SolarCity - 2:00 PM PT (UTC-4) [Official Thread] This the official thread for Tesla s discussion of the pending acquisition of SolarCity and the release of more information about it. Please keep all posts related to the news in this thread until unstickied. The release will be any minute now (after market close) and I will add it below when available. The webcast with Tesla and SolarCity management will be at **2:00 PM PT (UTC-7)** and can be accessed here: [Listen to webcast](http: edge.media-server.com m p zk9sc633) **Release:** PDF: http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2199329219x0x914895 6DD53532-0CEC-4F1D-8A74-28E598570085 Tesla_and_SolarCity.pdf | Little bonus tidbit on the solar tile installation: Tiles will snap into a backend skeleton structure its like plugging in a light bulb. | *sways to instrumental music whilst waiting* | 56 | 9 | 698 |
5al8e7 | 87 | Tesla Discusses Pending Acquisition of SolarCity - 2:00 PM PT (UTC-4) [Official Thread] This the official thread for Tesla s discussion of the pending acquisition of SolarCity and the release of more information about it. Please keep all posts related to the news in this thread until unstickied. The release will be any minute now (after market close) and I will add it below when available. The webcast with Tesla and SolarCity management will be at **2:00 PM PT (UTC-7)** and can be accessed here: [Listen to webcast](http: edge.media-server.com m p zk9sc633) **Release:** PDF: http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2199329219x0x914895 6DD53532-0CEC-4F1D-8A74-28E598570085 Tesla_and_SolarCity.pdf | Little bonus tidbit on the solar tile installation: Tiles will snap into a backend skeleton structure its like plugging in a light bulb. | Sorry for using the word huge. :P | 56 | 9 | 699 |
5al8e7 | 87 | Tesla Discusses Pending Acquisition of SolarCity - 2:00 PM PT (UTC-4) [Official Thread] This the official thread for Tesla s discussion of the pending acquisition of SolarCity and the release of more information about it. Please keep all posts related to the news in this thread until unstickied. The release will be any minute now (after market close) and I will add it below when available. The webcast with Tesla and SolarCity management will be at **2:00 PM PT (UTC-7)** and can be accessed here: [Listen to webcast](http: edge.media-server.com m p zk9sc633) **Release:** PDF: http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2199329219x0x914895 6DD53532-0CEC-4F1D-8A74-28E598570085 Tesla_and_SolarCity.pdf | Little bonus tidbit on the solar tile installation: Tiles will snap into a backend skeleton structure its like plugging in a light bulb. | So Elon hates joint ventures. He confirmed the Panasonic relationship is not a JV. | 56 | 15 | 700 |
5am80k | 30 | Thoughts on Memes and Reaction Gifs in r TeslaMotors There seem to be mixed feelings on the types of posts that r TeslaMotors allows. Typically Memes and ReactionGifs do not see the light of day in most cases. They are considered low-quality posts [such as the very recent](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5ajvvd anyone_else_do_this_when_they_see_a_tesla_on_the ) (sorry!) on the the front of r TeslaMotors. The reason for this post is that being Mods we prefer high-quality postings but we can t ignore the popularity of posts that receive upvotes that have Memes and Reaction Gifs in them. So we d like to bring up the topic to discuss it further with the sub. What say you? | I prefer to see this sub as higher quality and as a source of info not memes. | If my time on Reddit has taught me one thing it is that memes or reaction gifs with a catchy title will almost always be upvoted to the top in any subreddit (if they are not against the rules of that sub) so I believe it is up to the mods and the rules to handle these posts regardless of what the upvotes say. I m personally in favor of removing them. I come to this sub for Tesla information and news not for memes of Jonah Hill squealing like a little school girl. | 75 | 14 | 701 |
5am80k | 30 | Thoughts on Memes and Reaction Gifs in r TeslaMotors There seem to be mixed feelings on the types of posts that r TeslaMotors allows. Typically Memes and ReactionGifs do not see the light of day in most cases. They are considered low-quality posts [such as the very recent](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5ajvvd anyone_else_do_this_when_they_see_a_tesla_on_the ) (sorry!) on the the front of r TeslaMotors. The reason for this post is that being Mods we prefer high-quality postings but we can t ignore the popularity of posts that receive upvotes that have Memes and Reaction Gifs in them. So we d like to bring up the topic to discuss it further with the sub. What say you? | I prefer to see this sub as higher quality and as a source of info not memes. | Plenty of other subs remove rule violations after a post has been upvoted. We don t need memes here. I fully support the removal of such content even if it s popular. | 75 | 26 | 702 |
5am80k | 30 | Thoughts on Memes and Reaction Gifs in r TeslaMotors There seem to be mixed feelings on the types of posts that r TeslaMotors allows. Typically Memes and ReactionGifs do not see the light of day in most cases. They are considered low-quality posts [such as the very recent](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5ajvvd anyone_else_do_this_when_they_see_a_tesla_on_the ) (sorry!) on the the front of r TeslaMotors. The reason for this post is that being Mods we prefer high-quality postings but we can t ignore the popularity of posts that receive upvotes that have Memes and Reaction Gifs in them. So we d like to bring up the topic to discuss it further with the sub. What say you? | Please no. No memes no gifs no reactions. As we see an influx of users we re already privy to a degradation in the quality of discussion and informed posts. This will only further degrade quality. Please keep this place sane. | I don t think Memes and Reaction Gifs are a big deal unless it s a burden to wade through it to get to meaningful content. As of writing this there s been 46 posts in the last 24 hours on this sub. A meme RG mixed in this amount of messages isn t that big of a deal for me to wade through on a daily basis. Once this sub gets up to needing more than 10 minutes to review a day s amount of posts you may want to consider pulling that ban trigger. (damn the popularity) | 33 | 2 | 703 |
5aref5 | 23 | How often do you use the frunk? (S) I think without a automated way of opening it I am guessing it is used less overall? I would like to use it more. It would make more sense to have a button for that on the S than the glove compartment? WTF? | Anytime I want to forget where I put something. | I use my Frunk a lot and there are indeed buttons to open it on the key fob and touchscreen. I have a few things in there that I don t remove (folding chairs sleeping bag emergency supplies) and also some grocery bags and cleaning supplies for the car. I love the frunk! I use the rear trunk for larger items. | 46 | 2 | 704 |
5aref5 | 23 | How often do you use the frunk? (S) I think without a automated way of opening it I am guessing it is used less overall? I would like to use it more. It would make more sense to have a button for that on the S than the glove compartment? WTF? | Anytime I want to forget where I put something. | All the time! Stuff feels more secure in there plus it seems like a good place to stash small fragile items instead of in the vastness of the trunk (though the floor is good for that too). I tend to just always use the keyfob to open it. | 46 | 8 | 705 |
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