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This kind of cross-species cloning is tricky business, anyway.
Ovaj vid kloniranja ukrštenh vrsta je zeznut posao, u svakom slučaju.
en-sr
Are you going to lose some of the surrogate Asian elephant mothers?"
你代孕的亚洲象会死吗?”
en-zh-cn
And then George Church says, "That's all right.
А Джордж Чёрч говорит: «Ничего, мы сделаем искусственную матку и вырастим их в ней».
en-ru
We'll do an artificial uterus and grow them that way."
"Ok, fazemos um útero artificial e criamo-los dessa forma".
en-pt
Then people say, "Yeah, next century, maybe," except the news came out this week in Nature that there's now an artificial uterus in which they've grown a lamb to four weeks.
E as pessoas dizem: "Pois, talvez no próximo século". Só que já saiu a notícia esta semana na Nature de que já há um útero artificial em que se gerou um cordeiro durante quatro semanas.
en-pt
That's halfway through its gestation period.
C'est la moitié de sa période de gestation.
en-fr
So this stuff is moving right along.
Dakle, ovo napreduje nama na ruku.
en-sr
CA: But why should we want a world where -- Picture a world where there are thousands of these things thundering across Siberia.
CA: Maar waarom zouden we een wereld willen waarin -- stel je voor dat er duizenden exemplaren over Siberië gaan denderen.
en-nl
Is that a better world?
Será um mundo melhor?
en-pt
SB: Potentially. It's -- (Laughter) There's three groups, basically, working on the woolly mammoth seriously: Revive & Restore, we're kind of in the middle; George Church and the group at Harvard that are doing the genetics in the lab; and then there's an amazing old scientist named Zimov who works in northern Siberia, and his son Nikita, who has bought into the system, and they are, Sergey and Nikita Zimov have been, for 25 years, creating what they call "Pleistocene Park," which is a place in a really tough part of Siberia that is pure tundra.
SB: Possivelmente... (Risos) Há três grupos a trabalhar a sério no mamute-lanoso: Revive & Restore — nós andamos pelo meio. George Church e o grupo de Harvard a trabalhar na genética em laboratório; depois há Zimov, um velho cientista espantoso, que trabalha no norte da Sibéria e o seu filho Nikita, que entrou para o sistema. Ambos, Sergey e Nikita Zimov, há 25 anos que estão a criar uma coisa a que chamam "Parque Pleistoceno", que se situa numa zona muito agreste da Sibéria, a tundra pura.
en-pt
And the research that's been done shows that there's probably one one-hundredth of the animals on the landscape there that there used to be.
已經有研究顯示 在那裡的動物, 可能只剩下過去的 1% 過去曾經是像
en-zh-tw
Like that earlier image, we saw lots of animals.
На предыдущей картинке мы увидели много животных.
en-ru
Now there's almost none.
今はもうほとんどいないが
en-ja
The tundra is mostly moss, and then there's the boreal forest.
Tundra çoğunlukla yosun ve sonrasında da tayga.
en-tr
And that's the way it is, folks. There's just a few animals there.
Más ott nincs; borzasztó kevés az állat.
en-hu
So they brought in a lot of grazing animals: musk ox, Yakutian horses, they're bringing in some bison, they're bringing in some more now, and put them in at the density that they used to be.
Alors ils ont introduit beaucoup de ruminants : bœuf musqué, chevaux de Yakoutie, et puis quelques bisons. Ils en rapportent plus maintenant, et les mettent en densité égale à ce qu'elle était jadis.
en-fr
And grasslands are made by grazers.
草原というものは草食動物に作られるんだ
en-ja
So these animals are there, grazing away, and they're doing a couple of things.
草食動物たちは草を食べ尽くし 幾つかの役割を果たしている
en-ja
First of all, they're turning the tundra, the moss, back into grassland.
In de eerste plaats veranderen ze de toendra, het mos, terug in grasland.
en-nl
Grassland fixes carbon.
草原は大気中の 二酸化炭素を固定する
en-ja
Tundra, in a warming world, is thawing and releasing a lot of carbon dioxide and also methane.
Toendra ontdooit in een opwarmende wereld waarbij veel kooldioxide en methaan vrijkomt.
en-nl
So already in their little 25 square miles, they're doing a climate stabilization thing.
所以,在仅有的 25 平方英里内, 依然要进行气候稳定的工作。
en-zh-cn
Part of that story, though, is that the boreal forest is very absorbent to sunlight, even in the winter when snow is on the ground.
Een deel van dat verhaal is echter dat boreaal bos zeer veel zonlicht absorbeert, zelfs in de winter met sneeuw op de grond.
en-nl
And the way the mammoth steppe, which used to wrap all the way around the North Pole -- there's a lot of landmass around the North Pole -- that was all this grassland.
Kuzey kutbu yamacında mamut bozkırında olduğu gibi Kuzey kutbu etrafında yeşil arazi olan çok arazi var.
en-tr
And the steppe was magnificent, probably one of the most productive biomes in the world, the biggest biome in the world.
Bu bozkır mükemmeldi, sanırım dünyanın en üretken biyomlardan biri en büyük biyomdu.
en-tr
The forest part of it, right now, Sergey Zimov and Nikita go out with this old military tank they got for nothing, and they knock down the trees.
关于森林的部分, 谢尔盖·齐莫夫和尼基塔·齐莫夫 开着免费得来的破军用坦克 撞倒树木。
en-zh-cn
And that's a bore, and it's tiresome, and as Sergey says, "... and they make no dung!"
Et ça c'est ennuyant, et c'est fatigant, et comme Sergey le dit : « Ils ne font pas de fumier !
en-fr
which, by the way, these big animals do, including mammoths.
", de a nagyvadak, a mamutokat is beleértve, termelnek.
en-hu
So mammoths become what conservation biologists call an umbrella species.
マンモスたちは 環境保護生物学者たちが 「アンブレラ種」と呼ぶものになった
en-ja
It's an exciting animal -- pandas in China or wherever -- that the excitement that goes on of making life good for that animal is making a habitat, an ecosystem, which is good for a whole lot of creatures and plants, and it ideally gets to the point of being self-managing, where the conservation biologists can back off and say, "All we have to do is keep out the destructive invasives, and this thing can just cook."
アンブレラ種はすごい — 中国かどこかのパンダがそうだが その種の生活環境を 改善することで 生息地やエコシステムを作ることになり それが 多くの動植物にとって 良いことになる それが理想としては自律的環境に達し 環境保護生物学者たちが手を引いて 「あと必要なことは侵襲的な 侵入種を締め出すこと この環境は自分自身で維持し続けられる」 と言えるようになる
en-ja
CA: So there's many other species that you're dreaming of de-extincting at some point, but I think what I'd actually like to move on to is this idea you talked about how mammoths might help green Siberia in a sense, or at least, I'm not talking about tropical rainforest, but this question of greening the planet you've thought about a lot.
CA: Sok más fajt illetően is álmodozol, hogy föltámasztod őket, de én témát szeretnék váltani az elképzelésedre arról, hogyan segíthetik elő a mamutok Szibéria zölddé tételét. Persze, nem trópusi esőerdőre gondolok, de a bolygó zölddé tételéről sokat töprengtél.
en-hu
And the traditional story is that deforestation is one of the most awful curses of modern times, and that it's a huge contributor to climate change.
A tradicionalna priča glasi da je uništavanje šuma najužasnija kletva savremenog sveta i da to daje ogroman doprinos klimatskim promenama.
en-sr
And then you went and sent me this graph here, or this map.
Ancak daha sonra, sen bana bu grafiği gönderdin ya da bu haritayı.
en-tr
What is this map?
Что это за карта?
en-ru
SB: Global greening.
СБ: Глобальное озеленение.
en-ru
The thing to do with any narrative that you get from headlines and from short news stories is to look for what else is going on, and look for what Marc Andreessen calls "narrative violation."
Wat je moet doen met een verhaal dat je krijgt van de krantenkoppen en van korte nieuwsberichten is kijken naar wat er nog meer aan de hand is, en zoeken naar wat Marc Andreessen ‘verhaalfouten’ noemt.
en-nl
So the narrative -- and Al Gore is master of putting it out there -- is that there's this civilization-threatening climate change coming on very rapidly.
Anlatıma göre --ki Al Gore, bunu yaratmakta çok ustadır-- medeniyetimizi tehdit edecek bir iklim değişikliğinin hızla yaklaştığı şeklinde.
en-tr
We have to cease all extra production of greenhouse gases, especially CO2, as soon as possible, otherwise, we're in deep, deep trouble.
We moeten ophouden met de extra productie van broeikasgassen, met name CO2, en wel zo spoedig mogelijk, anders komen we in grote, grote problemen.
en-nl
All of that is true, but it's not the whole story, and the whole story is more interesting than these fragmentary stories.
Allemaal waar, maar het is niet het hele verhaal, en het hele verhaal is interessanter dan deze fragmentarische verhalen.
en-nl
Plants love CO2.
植物喜爱二氧化碳。
en-zh-cn
What plants are made of is CO2 plus water via sunshine.
植物は 太陽光を使い 二酸化炭素と水から出来ている
en-ja
And so in many greenhouses, industrialized greenhouses, they add CO2 because the plants turn that into plant matter.
E em várias estufas industrializadas eles adicionam CO2 por que as plantas transformam isto em matéria vegetal.
en-pt-br
So the studies have been done with satellites and other things, and what you're seeing here is a graph of, over the last 33 years or so, there's 14 percent more leaf action going on.
已經有用衛星和其他東西 做了一些研究, 這張圖上的是 過去超過 33 年的狀況, 多了 14% 的葉子在作用。
en-zh-tw
There's that much more biomass.
그만큼 생물량이
en-ko
There's that much more what ecologists call "primary production."
Ekolojistlerin ''ana üretim'' dediği şeyde bundan daha fazlası var.
en-tr
There's that much more life happening, thanks to climate change, thanks to all of our goddam coal plants.
より多く生命活動が起こっているということだ これは気候変動の結果でもあり あのいまいましい石炭工場のお陰だ
en-ja
So -- whoa, what's going on here?
Dus -- hola, wat is hier aan de hand?
en-nl
By the way, crop production goes up with this.
順道一提,作物產量也會跟著提升。
en-zh-tw
This is a partial counter to the increase of CO2, because there's that much more plant that is sucking it down into plant matter.
To je parcijalna suprotnost povećanju CO2 jer ima utoliko više biljaka koje ga usisavaju u biljnu tvar.
en-sr
Some of that then decays and goes right back up, but some of it is going down into roots and going into the soil and staying there.
Egy része aztán elrothad, és visszakerül a levegőbe, de a többi eljut a gyökerekbe, a talajba, és ottmarad.
en-hu
So these counter things are part of what you need to bear in mind, and the deeper story is that thinking about and dealing with and engineering climate is a pretty complex process.
所以这些副作用 是我们需要记得的, 深层次来说, 思考并处理气候 是个非常复杂的过程。
en-zh-cn
It's like medicine.
医学のようなものだ
en-ja
You're always, again, tweaking around with the system to see what makes an improvement.
Você está sempre ajustando o sistema para ver como cria uma melhoria.
en-pt-br
Then you do more of that, see it's still getting better, then -- oop! -- that's enough, back off half a turn.
그리고 조금 더 수정해서 아직도 괜찮은지 보고 그러다 어이쿠! 싶으면 잠시 물러나는 거죠.
en-ko
CA: But might some people say, "Not all green is created equal."
克:但有些人可能會說: 「並非所有綠色植物都同樣重要。」
en-zh-tw
Possibly what we're doing is trading off the magnificence of the rainforest and all that diversity for, I don't know, green pond scum or grass or something like that.
어쩌면 우리는 지금 열대우림의 웅장함과 그 밖의 다양성을 희생해서 녹색 연못 이끼나 풀과 맞바꾸고 있을지도 모릅니다.
en-ko
SB: In this particular study, it turns out every form of plant is increasing.
SB: 제가 말한 연구에 의하면 모든 식물은 증가하고 있습니다.
en-ko
Now, what's interestingly left out of this study is what the hell is going on in the oceans.
Interessant is dat uit deze studie weggelaten werd wat er gaande is in de oceanen.
en-nl
Primary production in the oceans, the biota of the oceans, mostly microbial, what they're up to is probably the most important thing.
La production primaire dans les océans, le biote des océans, principalement microbien, fait ce qui est probablement la chose la plus importante.
en-fr
They're the ones that create the atmosphere that we're happily breathing, and they're not part of this study.
Именно они создают атмосферу, которой мы благополучно дышим, и они не вошли в это исследование.
en-ru
This is one of the things James Lovelock has been insisting; basically, our knowledge of the oceans, especially of ocean life, is fundamentally vapor, in this sense.
ジェイムズ・ラブロックが主張していたのは 海洋や海の生物についての 我々の知識は ある意味かすみのようなものだ ということだ
en-ja
So we're in the process of finding out by inadvertent bad geoengineering of too much CO2 in the atmosphere, finding out, what is the ocean doing with that?
所以我們正處於探索的過程, 憑藉疏忽地球工程 惡意排放過多的二氧化碳到大氣中, 來尋找海洋會對這個情況的反應?
en-zh-tw
Well, the ocean, with the extra heat, is swelling up.
O oceano, com este calor extra está a inchar.
en-pt
That's most of where we're getting the sea level rise, and there's a lot more coming with more global warming.
Вот откуда мы получаем повышение уровня моря, которое будет продолжаться с глобальным потеплением.
en-ru
We're getting terrible harm to some of the coral reefs, like off of Australia.
como os danos terríveis a alguns recifes de corais, como na costa australiana.
en-pt-br
The great reef there is just a lot of bleaching from overheating.
O grande recife está a embranquecer devido ao excesso de calor.
en-pt
And this is why I and Danny Hillis, in our previous session on the main stage, was saying, "Look, geoengineering is worth experimenting with enough to see that it works, to see if we can buy time in the warming aspect of all of this, tweak the system with small but usable research, and then see if we should do more than tweak.
这就是为什么我和丹尼•希利斯, 在之前主舞台上说的: “看,地球工程是非常值得实验的, 看看它是否有效, 看看,我们是否可以 在气候变暖方面争取时间, 以微小但可用的研究来调节系统, 然后看看我们除此之外 还可以多做些什么。
en-zh-cn
CA: OK, so this is what we're going to talk about for the last few minutes here because it's such an important discussion.
克:好的,所以这就是我们 在最后几分钟即将讨论的 因为这是个非常重要的讨论。 首先,这本尤瓦尔•赫拉利刚出版的书,
en-zh-cn
First of all, this book was just published by Yuval Harari.
出版されたばかりの ユヴァル・ノア・ハラリの著書では
en-ja
He's basically saying the next evolution of humans is to become as gods.
Ele basicamente diz que a próxima evolução de humanos é nos tornarmos deuses.
en-pt-br
I think he -- SB: Now, you've talked to him. And you've probably finished the book.
Je crois qu'il... SB : Vous lui avez parlé. Et vous avez probablement fini le livre.
en-fr
I haven't finished it yet.
我还没读完。 他是从哪里得出……
en-zh-cn
Where does he come out on -- CA: I mean, it's a pretty radical view.
克:我的意思是說, 這是個非常極端的看法。
en-zh-tw
He thinks that we will completely remake ourselves using data, using bioengineering, to become completely new creatures that have, kind of, superpowers, and that there will be huge inequality.
Cree que nos reinventaremos por completo usando información, usando bioingeniería para convertirnos en creaturas totalmente nuevas con algo así como superpoderes, y que habrá muchísima desigualdad.
en-es
But we're about to write a very radical, brand-new chapter of history.
Mas estamos prestes a escrever um novo capítulo completamente novo na história.
en-pt-br
That's what he believes.
Dat is wat hij gelooft.
en-nl
SB: Is he nervous about that? I forget.
史:他對這感到緊張嗎?我忘了。
en-zh-tw
CA: He's nervous about it, but I think he also likes provoking people.
克:他對這感到緊張。 但我認為他也喜歡煽動人群。
en-zh-tw
SB: Are you nervous about that?
斯:你对此紧张吗?
en-zh-cn
CA: I'm nervous about that.
克:我对于这点感到紧张。
en-zh-cn
And the optimist in me is trying hard to lean towards "This is awesome and really exciting," while the sort of responsible part of me is saying, "But, uh, maybe we should be a little bit careful as to how we think of it."
Оптимист внутри меня пытается склониться к тому, что это потрясающе и захватывающе, в то время как ответственная часть меня говорит: «Может, нам следует быть немного осторожнее в том, что мы об этом думаем».
en-ru
SB: That's your secret sauce, isn't it, for TED?
斯:这是你在这个节目的秘诀,是吗?
en-zh-cn
CA: It's also the recipe for being a little bit schizophrenic.
CA: É também a receita para ser um pouco esquizofrênico.
en-pt-br
But he didn't quote you.
但他没有引用你的话。
en-zh-cn
What I thought was an astonishing statement that you made right back in the original Whole Earth Catalog, you ended it with this powerful phrase: "We are as gods, and might as well get good at it."
Beni hayretler içinde bırakan açıklaman aslında orijinal Whole Earth Catalog'da bitiriş notundu: ''Bizler tanrılarız, bari bu konuda ustalaşalım.''
en-tr
And then more recently, you've upgraded that statement.
» Récemment, vous avez amélioré cette expression.
en-fr
I want you talk about this philosophy.
Ik wil dat je praat over deze filosofie.
en-nl
SB: Well, one of the things I'm learning is that documentation is better than memory -- by far.
SB : Bien, une des choses que j'apprends est que les écrits sont meilleurs que la mémoire... de loin.
en-fr
And one of the things I've learned from somebody -- I actually got on Twitter.
Я выяснил кое-что с помощью одного человека, когда завёл Твиттер.
en-ru
It changed my life -- it hasn't forgiven me yet!
Essa frase mudou a minha vida e ainda não me perdoou!
en-pt
And I took ownership of this phrase when somebody quoted it, and somebody else said, "Oh by the way, that isn't what you originally wrote in that first 1968 Whole Earth Catalog.
Я взял ответственность за фразу, когда её процитировали, а кто-то другой сказал: «Кстати, это не то, что вы изначально написали в “Каталоге всей Земли” 1968 года».
en-ru
You wrote, 'We are as gods and might as well get used to it.'" I'd forgotten that entirely.
Escribió: 'Somos como dioses y más vale que nos acostumbremos'". Había olvidado eso. (Risas)
en-es
The stories -- these goddam stories -- the stories we tell ourselves become lies over time.
De verhalen -- die dekselse verhalen -- die we onszelf vertellen, worden na verloop van tijd leugens.
en-nl
So, documentation helps cut through that.
Então, a documentação nos ajuda a contornar isso.
en-pt-br
It did move on to "We are as gods and might as well get good at it," and that was the Whole Earth Catalog.
这句话确实变成了: “我们像神一样,不妨好好成为他。” 这就是《全球目录》所倡导的。
en-zh-cn
By the time I was doing a book called "Whole Earth Discipline: An Ecopragmatist Manifesto," and in light of climate change, basically saying that we are as gods and have to get good at it.
Mialatt könyvemet írtam, a <i>A Föld rendje – egy ökopragmatista kiáltványa</i> címűt, a klímaváltozás alapján, azt írtam: "Istenekhez vagyunk hasonlatosak, és jónak kell lennünk benne".
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CA: We are as gods and have to get good at it.
CA: "Somos como dioses y tenemos que hacerlo bien".
en-es
So talk about that, because the psychological reaction from so many people as soon as you talk about geoengineering is that the last thing they believe is that humans should be gods -- some of them for religious reasons, but most just for humility reasons, that the systems are too complex, we should not be dabbling that way.
Então, fale sobre isso, porque a reação psicológica de muitas pessoas assim que você fala sobre geoengenharia é que a última coisa que elas acreditam é que humanos deveriam ser deuses; algumas por razões religiosas, mas muitas por humildade. Os sistemas são complexos demais, não devíamos nos intrometer de tal forma.
en-pt-br
SB: Well, this is the Greek narrative about hubris.
SB : Bien, c'est le récit grec sur l'orgueil démesuré.
en-fr
And once you start getting really sure of yourself, you wind up sleeping with your mother.
Ha tényleg ennyire elszalad velünk a ló, végül saját anyánkkal akarunk lefeküdni.
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