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Nothing to do with him. It's a (small) scandal for the Modem party (François Bayrou party) who was a political ally for Macron. Macron never was a member of this party or affiliated to this story.
If anything, it proved that Macron would not accept such scandal among his ministers and wants a very clean government. It was one of his main political promises and it means he's serious about that. I think it will do more good than harm for him.
There is absolutely no chance this interview is related to that.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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And as usual expect no one to actually talk about the leaks and instead point fingers while shrieking about how "unfair" they are.
Put it this way, start pointing out the actual falsehoods and I will happily upvote you.
**I for one just want to say I find it rather interesting that Macron's advisor on surveillance died on stage less than 12 hours after these leaks. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.**
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Here's an overview of [definitions of Fascism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism).
[Neo-Fascism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-fascism) may be more relevant for Le Pen and Le Front Nationale.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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When will you alt righters learn? Your constant demonization of liberalism is why Macron won[.](#hover "world's tiniest /s")
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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I see one black woman there and she's Macron's advisor no? How many non-white members of parliament and senate are there?
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Who said that? You created that straw man in attempt to invalidate the point that the other poster made. You're using semantics as an argument and then backpedaling when someone calls you out on it
I'll address your strawman though. No Le Pen is not as bad as Islamic extremism. But their ideologies don't differ greatly. Le Pen is a detriment to what France stands for. Her ideology is regressive a reactionary. It's the stance of cowards and bigots.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Equality
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Confident
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I believe the candidate for that would be Melenchon, but he won´t win.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Great way to damage the EU and to give Le Pen(or somebody like her) the victory in 2022.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Judging by all the responses in this thread, literally *everything* is why Macron won...
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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"We need to learn to live with terrorism"
Hollande is an absolute piece of crap.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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As far as I can tell, Dupont-Aignan has the nationalism, xenophobia, and social conservatism without Le Pen's FN anti-Semitic background and proto-fascist tendencies.
He's as much decent as the far-right can get as opposed to Le Pen's trash.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Equality
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Confident
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>Macron is an incomprehensible ex-investment banker that nobody respects in France. He is part of that ultra-liberal current which both the left and right are starting to hate because its so irrational. I mean NOBODY liked Macron on that set except the journalist which tells everything.
25% do, which is more than most candidates. Please stop spreading lies because you personnaly don't like him
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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The main point of Macron's candidacy is that he is an economic liberal, someone who would make France attractive for liberal professionals like scientists.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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I don't know why everyone is so happy with this result, this means dat Macron can rule the country freely without any repurcusions.
Why? Because of districts he will get around 400 of the 577 seats, but more important: almost all his candidates have zero experience in politics and are just normal dayjob people. Meaning that they will just follow Macron and won't dare to vote against him in parliament.
This will be an autocratic goverment for the next 5 years where Macron can do whatever the hell he wants without an parliament stopping him.
RIP France
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Loyalty,Authority
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Confident
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>the hacking is likely intended to serve as a low-risk low-cost move to damage the political image of the incoming candidate and the legitimacy of the election system rather than to guarantee a victory for a pro-Russian candidate.
This was likely the intent of previous active measures, but it has been obfuscated by the unexpected result. Given that Macron was already weakened in the unusual position of needing to form a coalition (since his party won't have the majority), it could be quite successful in weakening him further.
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geopolitics
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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My only concern is that most of these new members are inexperienced, considering the huge undertakings that Macron has to do in order to show the French people and the world that the centre is the way to go, we have to rely on these guys to pick up on their own or else be bogged down by relentless media of both sides picking apart what they do. Remember, we are the enemy of both left and right, populists and nationalists, conservatives and libertarians - we should not falter.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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I´m having flash backs to the USA elections. This childish accusations regardless of their accuracy are going to end with Le Pen winning.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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No to every single suggestion you just said.
As I already answered you previously... vote for le pen. She will help stop the open-border policy.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Authority
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Confident
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It's important not to read too much into the presidential first round. Hamon's voters left him for Mélenchon because they calculated that he had better chances. That doesn't mean that Mélenchon has close to as large a political machine as the Socialists.
As a former Hamon supporter I don't want to have seen the last of him. He ran on what I consider the only future-proof political platform: UBI supported by high taxes on automation.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Proportionality,Equality
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Somewhat Confident
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What if there is nothing nothing incriminating (in the eyes of voters) in his emails? Could this help Macron more than it hurts him?
What scares me is that I remember people outright lying about the contents of Hillary's emails.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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I know you said English-speaking(don't know why that even matters but whatever), but I did find this about the French election from [this article](https://www.ft.com/content/62d782d6-31a7-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a):
>Macron made huge gains, picking up the majority of first round supporters of the two leftwing candidates, Jean-Luc Mélenchon and Benoît Hamon. More surprisingly, Macron won almost half of the votes of those who went with centre-right candidate François Fillon in round one.
It is kinda hard to find a moderate centrist who recently won over moderate conservatives, since the US is pretty polarized and so is the UK.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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I don't really rate my own looks, and words from some creep on the Internet who wants to see me are meaningless 🤣🤣
Want to see an ugly beta male? Watch Donald's handshake with Emmanuel Macron 🤣🤣
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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FFS its' a FRENCH election. Melenchon (19% votes didn't call to vote for him). Fillon and Hamon did but called him a lesser evil compared to a potential disaster,not exactly awe inspiring for their voters.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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Of course, that's the point of all of this.
[The emails](https://twitter.com/LeviSmithUSA/status/860664562064011264) show that Macron bought 3-MMC, a designer drug. His campaign administration did the order by email, by the way ;-)
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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> everything about Le Pen is ~~left~~ *populist*, socially, economically, everything ~~except~~ *especially* the immigration situation in France
Fixed that for you.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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No, I think his point is that the kind of message of hate that is espoused by Le Pen, Trump et al. is the kind of message that leads to war.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Demography is not an issue at all, in London we are minority non native but no one cares because most of our immigration has been successful. The US is almost majority non white too. When there are problems with assimilation then there's a problem that needs to be dealt with.
Also Le Pen isn't an outsider, Macron is. French system is one of the best for ensuring outsiders get a chance. But if the views of a party are abhorrent to a majority of the population they won't get power. As should be the case anywhere
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Authority
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Confident
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> Alternative Fact:
> They argued a crowd movement around Ms Le Pen had become “dangerous in terms of security”.
> “There was a crowd movement, he pushed and we asked him to leave. There was a risk,” a spokesman for the organisers of the event told Pure Medias.
> >
> Alternative Fact:
> “Two police officers asked us to remove two individuals who were being provocative. There was a lot of pushing and shoving.”
No one suggested Le Pen ordered it. Are you suggesting the security guards were justified?
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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>ISIS threatens to bomb the election and a potential bomb is discovered at a Macron rally? It still means Putin's going to kill Macron.
Wtf does the one have to do with the other??
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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To be fair Macron doesn't have any political experience either
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Youre right, Macron is indeed a beta male like youself as you're well aware. Also, I find you creepy and misogynistic for arguing with a girl over the internet. 😂
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Purity,Equality
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Confident
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Black magic.
Essentially, what I saw from stalking the french reddit is that she was very cringy, only attacking Macron, not acting presidential, acting weird waving her fingers imitating a ghost while laughing. And it kept going for 2 hours while Macron was being serious the whole time.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Which is why it doesn't make sense for Fillon-supporing persons to vote Hamon first round.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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No. Only Hamon questioned Mélenchon about his attitude towards Putin.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Neither macron nor le pen can stop individuals intent on committing terrorist attacks.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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The US popular vote was for Clinton.
France has a purely popular vote and Macron is leading 20+ points, not 4 or 5 that Clinton was.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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> People who are Dutch, live in the Netherlands, or Holland. Different names for the same place.
Holland is a province *in* Netherlands. In some countries the name for Netherlands is derived from Holland instead, but I can only guess the Dutch outside of Holland aren't too happy to be called Hollanders...
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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> In 1972, Le Pen founded the Front National (FN) party, along with former OAS member Jacques Bompard, former Collaborationist Roland Gaucher and others nostalgics of Vichy France, neo-Nazi pagans, Traditionalist Catholics, and others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Front_national
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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By making up bullshit, you sounds a lot more similar to Trump.
Each time an intellectually dishonest person on the left lies like this, he or she makes Trump, Le Pen, Farage, Wilders etc. seem just a tiny bit more reasonable in comparison.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Exactly my thoughts. I can understand Melenchon running and hurting Macron chances, after all they have enough differences, but Valls? Valls will only hurt Macron.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Macron is likely to win the presidential race of course, but it should be a worry to the incoming french government the amount of people voting for the far-right and maybe they should address some of that voter bases concerns or the far right will keep rising, by that i mean those people on the fence who aren't necessarily far right supporters themselves but want to see some problems addressed, that being the 'fuck-you' votes
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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no, the right way is : "je, soussigné E. Macron, autorise (...)"
the coma was wrong placed in the original note
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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It's not the polling's fault that Huffpo is biased and reads a 4-point lead in must-win states as a 100% chance of Hillary winning. Polls were not perfect, but they were close. Polls in France could be twice as bad as the ones here and Le Pen would still lose by 15 points.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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If France leaves, France is toast.
Everybody loses.
It's not disinformation to call right wing extremists like Le Pen dangerous and racist and neonazis (or literal nazis, in many cases).
There is no excuse for supporting them, either.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Equality
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Confident
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Read the quran please. I'm no Republican, but neither Le Pen nor trump are fascists. However, the quran peaches fascism.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Equality
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Confident
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Would the French really care if Macron was gay? Seems like those who would care are already voting for Le Pen or Fillon anyway.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Not quite.
* Emmanuel MACRON : 24,01% soit 8 657 326 voix
* Marine LE PEN : 21,3% soit 7 679 493 voix
* François FILLON : 20,01% soit 7 213 797 voix
* Jean-Luc MÉLENCHON : 19,58% soit 7 060 885 voix
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Well, if you believe any thing that comes out of Le Pen's mouth, they both greatly dislike neoliberalism.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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If you have facts that disprove LePen's links to Russia, then please supply them.
Because from what we've seen, it seems like Putin would very much like Le Pen to win.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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He's a disgrace for refusing to look into the issue. He's a nationalistic tool supporting people like Le Pen. Pretending to be a skeptic when he's actually just trying to refute negative stories about his ideology is disgraceful.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Purity
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Confident
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> Oh so anyone who disagree's with you or anything your party thinks, are not ordinary people. Good to know.
Was referring to /pol/ and the_don as nationalism, America first, resentment for outsiders telling them what to do and withdrawing from international engagement are major parts of their politics.
>Protip, Macron loses.
You should bet $10,000 on it :\^)
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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To be fair it's not really all new people. The left-wing was split between people like Hamon who wanted stuff like universal basic income and the more "pragmatic" left. The right-wing was split between people like Fillon who were pro-austerity and supported by anti gay marriage groups, and the more "pragmatic" right. Macron simply told people from the pragmatic left and right to leave the crazies and to form a new party.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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I have 3 friends who already said they will vote Mélenchon. All 3 see Le Pen as their main enemy and the only one they could never vote for. The communists usually hate extreme right and fascists. I don't know if my friends are representative of the population, though.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Macron was his guy. It's just that Le Pen was his gal, too.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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>“Fast” will mean, as Macron said in the campaign, using a procedure known as “ordinances” whereby the government can pass laws without a parliamentary debate. Union leaders have already warned they would consider this “undemocratic.” Ordinances “are totally unacceptable,” said Philippe Martinez, leader of the communist-dominated CGT union.
Pft, those pesky opposition parliamentarians should obviously know better than to question Macron.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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See sticky for definition of fascism. It literally cites Le Pen as an example.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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But surely the Juppe' factions will join him right. They might be far more liberal economically than Macron but socially Juppists are way more liberal than Sarko and Crooked Fillon lol.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Yep. The Kremlin doesn't expect to install true puppets in the White House or the Élysée Palace (though Le Pen's passionate boot-licking might qualify if that nightmare came to pass.) Rather, Putin seeks to disrupt real democracies, to instill fear and distrust to weaken their ability to counter his expansion, and also to tear down everyone around Russia to make it look better in comparison.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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And then I remember why I love French politics
[Heavy Metal Macron](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeDKyl04G74)
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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So...the areas won by Le Pen. What's different about them? Is it just the areas where France's nazi assholes chose to live?
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Equality
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Confident
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> but let's be serious his biggest advantage is that he isn't Le Pen
That's been pretty debunked by victories in the legislative elections. If voters wanted anything other than Macron, or even a Macron with a check on his agenda, they could have voted against him. Instead he will win the biggest majority since De Gaulle. Shows French voters want him, and his agenda to, not just as a "least worst option" but as a first choice.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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But to be honest, free healthcare/education, good public services and generous social security can't really be compared to the radical left (Melenchon). It's centre-left, like Sanders, Sweden, Corbyn, etc.
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europe
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Le Pen is getting the same Kremline treatment that Trump got. Watch the downvoting begin. They're trying to control the narrative by exploiting logical fallacies like might equals right and fear.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Care
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Somewhat Confident
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I know that Le Pen won't win but with the Trump stuff, the Brexit stuff, the Russia / US stuff, how can we have so many people voting for her ?
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europe
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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You can be opposed to radical Islam and be opposed to immigration while still being rational and moderate; if you take out the single issue of immigration, Le Pen's policies are a roaring dumpster fire. Look at Denmark, Poland, Japan, or even Canada to see how countries can remain civil while cracking down on theocrat invasion.
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worldnews
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annotator02
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Nah its the share of votes as a percentage, Macron 65% Le Pen 35% it would be rigging on the highest degree if Le Pen got all the blank votes ;)
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europe
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annotator02
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This looks like Matt Bevin (who is unfortunately not a Macron Bernke mashup in terms of policy)
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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What a ridiculous statement, this place is so sheltered when it comes to awareness of what candidates who aren't blindly pro EU status quo stand for.
He's not anti EU, he's not pro-Russian, these are buzzwords used by the political establishment to scare his voters away, and they are wrong.
If you care about the current EU status quo, Macron is your guy, if you care about the French people, Mélenchon probably should be your guy.
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europe
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annotator02
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Can someone fill me in and explain why Macron would be Merkel's puppet? Is anyone who doesn't want the end of the EU "Merkel's puppet"?
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europe
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annotator02
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Is there any evidence or serious disussion in the media/pollster circles that the polls could be underestimating Le Pen's support?
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so just to make sure google translate isn't fucking up, he's saying "don't vote FN" but not saying to vote for Macron? JFC.
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neoliberal
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annotator02
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EU doesn't need to be "propped" up. It's the world's strongest economy...
I'm amazed at how Trump/Putin/Le Pen trolls are suddenly economic experts, and how everything they disagree with is some kind of a globalist conspiracy theory. Oh to be naive and ignorant to reality.
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annotator02
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Le Pen is not Trump, Le Pen is Steve Bannon, but even more of a facist.
Melenchon is to the left of Sanders, as the americans don't really have a left-wing party or candidate. Honestly, i can't see any good reason to vote for Le Pen, at all. Not even as a "protest vote", like many did during Brexit.
Allowing facist and nazi policies to exist is not tolerance, it's collaborationism.
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annotator02
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Wisdom right here. There are legitimate issues that Le Pen voters need answers to. I'm just personally relieve that France as a whole was able to recognize that the legitimacy of those problems didn't mean her insanity was the solution.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Well it looks like Le Pen might have broken a French law by posting those beheadings, now if she lost immunity also because of a shady political game that's possible, I don't know much about French politics.
Now about free speech, in my country there's a wonderful woman that's spreading misinformation about vaccines and all of a sudden now we have epidemics and babies dying because their parents think vaccines make their kids sick and shit. Would you also defend her freedom of speech? I'm obviously not connecting this to Le Pen, I'm just curious what you think.
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europe
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annotator02
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Wait... but Macron got more votes than Le Pen, I'm not used to elections like this. How did he win???
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annotator02
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🇪🇺🇫🇷 MACRON PREND MON ÉNERGIE 🇫🇷🇪🇺
Ahhh, intense!! Bless this sub
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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I suppose you are American, one of the few countries where nationalism is used a synonym of patriotic sentiment.
Nationalism is defined as: "extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries" and yes, I do have a problem with this way of thinking, especially when it is used abused by populist or far right political parties.
Moreover, if you paid any attention to what Le Pen has been saying, you would know that being on friendly terms is not exactly what the party is pushing for.
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annotator02
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Well, Macron probably has some sort of Oedipus complex. So i guess he does fall into the 2nd part of my sentance lol
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annotator02
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Should say Cozying up.
Anyway, he has said he would lift sanctions for basically nothing and recognize the annexation of Crimea. He has also regurgitated Russian talking points about NATO being obsolete and making comments that undermines the alliance. He aligns himself with people like Le Pen who is openly pro Russia and Putin. Trump is the best thing to happen to Russian geopolitical interests since the end of ww2.
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To be honest, I'm pretty sure there are less enthusiast french voters than the previous presidential elections. On the international subreddits, people seem way more excited about Macron who seems like a cool and good guy, but a lot of french people just feel like " Well, let's see what happens with this new guy. At least he destroyed the old and rotten political landscape."
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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That was the opposite. That got Spain to bow to blackmail and vote in the Socialist Party who opposed the war in Iraq.
This will likely result in the election of Le Pen who will take a hard stance on radical Islam.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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> the previous crisis took place under a socialist government, the neoliberals just came in to fix the problem and their solutions weren't popular.
A socialist government? You think Acción Democrática were socialist? How do you reckon? Would you say Macron is a socialist then? What about the Clintons?
>in theory decentralised economies and diffusion of powers reduce the impact that each corrupt individual can have.
And in theory socialism will lead to a utopia. I'm talking about the actual political economy and history of Venezuela
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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400 seat majority, or even just upwards of 350 is huge.
Macron built something of a coalition of centrists, with some diversity in political thought and old party affiliation. I don't know a lot about French politics, but will such a coalition be successful in agreeing on a mandate and getting things done?
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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I love how he literally said "Go vote" and you automatically think it's for Macron.
This is why right-wing parties use voter suppression.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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"[So #macronleaks used Russian Excel: it left some app-internal strings in Russian into the files](https://twitter.com/henkvaness/status/860809075013144577)"
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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The closest candidate to Melenchon, from an ideology PoV, is very likely LePen.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Lol not at all. Macron is on the same part of the spectrum as Obama.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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>Old people (in their 60s, 70s) think it is typical of homosexuals to marry older women. During the campaign, this **was used** to portray Macron as a homosexual to older catholics.
Someone else in the thread said this.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Can't wait for the alt right tears when Le Pen loses bigly.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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I too agree. It's a wonder why Le Pen is doing a better job of standing up for women's rights than a lot of leftist politicians, especially Sweden's government which explicitly claims to be feminist.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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How did the debate go? I'm guessing it went badly for Le Pen since she is at 34% now. But just how bad I'm curious.
What did she say?
What did Macron say?
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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I think Hillary Clinton would have a word about poll numbers for Macron.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Why is Fillon authoritarian?
Why is Macron so far right?
Isn't Mc. le Ron a tad on the liberal side?
Why is a leftist essentially the center?
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Yes. You should look at the actual migration and secularism/Islam policies of all the candidates as well as their other policies; Trump for instance has some extremely dangerous policies on secularism, war, torture, the climate, and nuclear proliferation that are significantly overshadowed in the public discourse by those on Islam, and Le Pen would likely be a loyal stooge for him. Fillon or maybe even Macron could be possibilities for you.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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Yes, but they are leaked emails, so it means Macron is evil! Right? Right? The Dumpsters love creating fake outrage, they keep hyping every single leak like it's the new Watergategate. Needless to say, mostly nothing comes out of these leaks because there is nothing there.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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Or whenever you want a disparate, radically different party to support your bid for the presidency. Macron is entitled to nothing by virtue of being the opponent of le pen.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Macron is a centrist globalist who wants to improve the economy and jobs..etc
Le Pen wants to exit the EU and prevent immigration and shutdown muslims through banning hijab closing mosques..etc
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Political immunity is not supposed to prevent against laws. After all, if it were, then MEP's could go on a robbery or murder spree without consequences.
Political immunity is supposed to protect against unjustified persecution. In this case Le Pen did post those images, and France does have a law against them, so lifting the immunity is the only logical option.
Not lifting it would be attacking the sovereignity of the French state.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Authority
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Confident
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As a Macron' supporter I am reasonably optimistic, but not in total awe either.
I know my fellow countrymen/women too well. The main obstruction won't apparently come from the Parliament, but probably from the streets.
As for the expectations, results are mandatory. Otherwise, if deceived, within 5 years from now, French will go back to the polls, very angry this time.
And who knows where that could lead us.
But my Crystal ball says that will have Macron for another mandate, easy.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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