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Macron on porn: "Porn? It's just a part of life!". Theresa May on porn: An increase in violent in video games and pornography means that many young people "simply do not understand what a healthy relationship is", the Home Secretary has said. ...
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Goddamn, he looks like a comic book villain and has the name to boot. Macron knows how to pick them.
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> The parliament election rate are very low, but not voting against Macron also means that you don't reject his policies. I think the political mood here in france is more "wait and see". That is not how France works. Abstention in this case means they'll take it to the streets. 'wait and see' isn't really a thing in a country where unions start to strike *before* the negotiations start. Macron's mandate is nominally strong (which is basically owed to the system), but socially not stronger than Hollande's.
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Who care about what we think ? Seriously ? I mean, it's not like it is going to change something. It's like saying "American dislike Hollande" , yeah... good. Also ... we dislike like everything.
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OK! First of all, I don't see any reason to ban dual citizenship. Second, I believe the stated policy details are a not so subtle racist dog whistle, calling to antisemitic and generally racist sentiments. My rhetorical questions are plainly aimed at showing the hypocrisy in this policy proposal, which would arbitrarily exclude from its effect the biggest ally of Le Pen.
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Looking at latest polling: 16% of voters think Le Pen will win, 57% think Macron. To the question, "Who do you want, in your heart, to win" has Macron at 40%, Le Pen at 28% (I think). Voting intentions still 60-40.
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> If wiki leaks has a political agenda, everything they publish is next to worthless, because you can't trust them to review the source material with neutrality or journalistic integrity. So far they have a 100% record on authenticity. If they are not careful with this Macron stuff (which they were not the first to leak, thank god), they could damage themselves. We need more organizations like Wikileaks to expose corruption, but without single organizations monopolizing information.
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If we donate 50k in your honor can we get macron on the other cheek?
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1. That's 2. Why 3. Macron 4. Won 5. Bitch
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Stupidly laughable law: being prosecuted for "posting violent images"? This will of course backfire and increase Le Pen's popularity because people see it for what it is: a bumbling, ridiculous attempt to stop her.
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It seems to me the censorship is the wrong here. Here is a thing that is actually happening in the world, and they want to ban the evidence of it. I've seen those videos, and they're horrific. Censoring them to keep from recruiting is also keeping the public from being aware how evil they are. I don't care the least bit about Le Pen or her political stance, and know nothing of French politics. All I know is hiding the evidence of atrocities is putting your head in the sand.
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Inexperienced president. Inexperienced legislators. Massive majority. Three things that spell danger even for the most righteous of new leaders. I hope Macron has surrounded himself by people who will stand up to him in case he's ever tempted to run riot with his near absolute power. That said, good luck to him and to France.
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Would someone kindly explain to me how Le Pen would not be **objectively** worse?
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This is why this law is pushed before the legislative elections. Either the current government rejects it and is basically purged by the voters who almost all want this to pass, or they accept it and maybe hope to stay a bit longer. Although both scenarios will boost Macron's party results in the elections, which doesn't bode well for the sitting government.
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The Le Pen family and the Front Nationale have historically been known for anti-semitism, holocaust denial, and links with fascist/nazi elements. Please don't put American political slogans like "this is why Trump won" on different political cultures, it doesn't help anyone.
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>Macron is extremely well-prepared on European, financial and macroeconomic affairs. His comfort zone stops there” — Bruno Tertrais Which is why he has a whole bureaucracy to rely on. He's not relying on his personal knowledge to run everything.
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Are you kidding? "What does Russia have to gain?" If Le Pen wins, she's repeatedly mentioned France leaving the EU. Without France, the EU loses a lot of economic power and runs the risk of crumbling with only Germany to hold it up. Russia would be able to leverage its gas exports to a huge degree against a now fragmented EU
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let's be real, Macron is the guy I tell Trudeau not to worry about
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Please don't tell me this sub was cheering for Le Pen? On everything but immigration and "culture", she's pretty much Bernie Sanders personified.
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I am very disappointed that Fillon did not win. I supported him on 100% of his positions and I would have loved to see the left destroyed in by having to choose between Le Pen and Fillon. Either way, it would be a win.
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>Melenchon told supporters: “I’m going to vote, but what I’m going to vote, I’m not going to say. You don’t have to be a great scholar to guess what I’m going to do.” He added: “Is there a single person among you who doubts the fact that I’m not going to vote for the Front National? Everyone knows that.” Your brain on socialism. The fuck is wrong with that guy
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Incompetent politicians dying out? You seem to be quite childish. How you think Trump conned the US? Do you think Le Pen wouldn't solve the immigration problem in France, or very least stop it from escalating? Do you think there are better alternatives? I'm not really correct person to comment on nepotism or corruption but I'm 100% sure that whoever wins neither will go away. Le Pen will be written in negative shade, just as Trump was because he's not what ptb want in place.
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**FAR RIGHT POPULISTS BTFO**: WE NEED T O CHANGE OUR BANNER TO MACRON!
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I always wondered what Macron is like when he's angry.
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> Not necessarily a referendum, Melenchon can pull out without referendum if "negociations will fail" Modifying the Constitution (which says "France is part of the EU") needs a 3/5 majority from the Parliament, or a simply majority at a referendum. So I don't think anyone can just pull out if they want to.
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But I thought a guy with his name in big gold letters and lives in a marble penthouse would be looking out for the little guy!
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And you consider Macron to be left wing? And you consider private mails to be hiding the truth. If so, I'm hiding the truth by not making my mails public?
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Yeah, we might get some populist proposing sanctions on other EU countries and calling them out on "social dumping" and that would be just terrible. Fortunately there are non-populists like Macron who will take upon themselves to do those things so that we can mercifully avoid those things.
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HA like Le Pen could win, since Macron was in the lead with 62% in the last poll?
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> I think there is far more willingness to support Europe than politicians believe Idk where you from because of the trade union flag, but here in France I have never in my life met a young person who openly wants further integration. And never met anyone that wants federalization. Even the rich bobos in Belleville are too busy jacking off about socialism and communism to give the EU much thought. Anyway, I don't think Macron's success has much to do with being pro-EU, we're having a pretty f'ed up political year here.
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The offshore bank account was quickly debunk. [Here's a source \(in french\)](http://www.numerama.com/politique/254983-compte-offshore-demmanuel-macron-une-intox-venue-de-4chan.html). And if I remember well, it was actually said by Le Pen during the debate, and she retracted her accusation a few days after.
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Terrorism probably isn't even the main reason for these 11 Million people. A lot of Le Pen voters, unlike her actual activists, are mostly people who are either scared by, or revolted against, globalization and the effect it has on them. Think of your usual rustbelt blue collar who voted Trump because he promised to bring jobs back: there's much of the same among Le Pen's voters.
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> He still made the right choice for the country and took a stand against fascism. Fillon cares so much about standing up to fascism that he got Sens Commun to endorse Macron. Oh wait, that didn't happen. It's almost like the endorsement was just a political nicety.
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Macron is signaling a consistent, tough foreign policy. Trump messaged a non-interventionist foreign policy and a willingness to align with Putin's interest which is why Assad thought he could get away with those strikes in the first fucking place. The fact that Trump played catchup by launching one largely ineffectual attack isn't worthy of praise when you don't have a fucking foreign policy.
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> Salty? What do I care about France? HAHAHAHA, you are commenting on this thread, so you cleary do care. And it's butthurt because your nazi candidate lost. > I'm British. I enjoy mainlanders making fools of themselves. Don't worry. Macron is a hard-brexiter.
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To be fair it has caught on here too, which is unfortunate. For example Hollande said he would end his presidency at fighting populism.
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If Le Pen is elected there is no need to punish us - the EU will collapse.
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Article 88.1 of the French Constitution: >The Republic shall participate in the European Union constituted by States which have freely chosen to exercise some of their powers in common by virtue of the Treaty on European Union and of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, as they result from the treaty signed in Lisbon on 13 December, 2007. Le Pen would be more constrained than you might think.
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Again, you're changing the subject. We're talking about percentage of Le pen voters correlating to Muslim population. Do you understand correlation? It's funny that you think IM the stupid one, yet you can't seem to grasp the simple concept of correlation. The Hallmark of an undedicated person.
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looks like you're as simple minded as the candidate you're supporting and when i cited mélanchon to marine le pen, it was to explain to you that i support idea from every political sensibility, meaning even the center if you didn't get it
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Or his deeply held beliefs prevent him from endorsing Macron for pragmatic reasons. You can empathize with that, even if you disagree.
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>social policy What bothers you, if I may ask? On EU policy, Macron is advocating for massive reforms particularly to the functioning of the eurozone, which should generally appeal to conservatives imo.
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[>Marine Le Pen is totally against abolition of parliamentary immunity](http://www.lcp.fr/afp/marine-le-pen-totalement-contre-la-suppression-de-limmunite-parlementaire) Because you'd be in jail
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>Is that the state of right wing ideology today? Really? Where? What country? What exact beliefs and what exact circumstances lead up to changing ideology? The world isn't as simple as you seem to think. Like Reddit constantly calling Marine Le Pen "far" right when she's almost absolutely more centrist by French politics standards. Right and left are ideologies of politics. Neither are inherently violent. Violence comes from individuals. Don't let propaganda media warp your views of other people. They WANT you to continue a narrative or right wing people being associated with violence.
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> massively cut pensions and welfare. If that's evil or not, depends on what level they were. I reckon that there were pensions paid to dead government officials spouses? And large salaries for some public officials for doing less than Fillon's wife.
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As opposed to France sleepwalking their way to oblivion? Do you mean that "moderate" Muslims would start killing people because Le Pen got herself elected?
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Just FYI, Melenchon is a nationalist *and* a social democrat.
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Fillon is actually losing though, no matter who is pushing what agenda, French, Russian or American (for your examples of Fox or MSNBC.) Ask any French voter. It would be just as big a lie if it were coming from any of those other groups.
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After comps, I'm starting work on an extensive PWP Macron / Trudeau slash fiction bonanza. It's gonna be amazing. /u/a_rory is gonna be my cowriter.
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Le Pen has a plurality which is a minority. This does not win her elections. We don't negotiate with Putin's spies and treasonist pawns. We will fight.
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Macron is teaching some nice lessons in humility here that trump is too stupid to take in.
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Marie Le Pen runs out of money => Marie Le Pen visits Putin => Magically Marie Le Pen now has both money and a very strong pro-Putin stance. I wonder how much of France she will mortgage to save Russia's economy!
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>This is one of the reasons I hope that Macron can move some things. Macron won't do shit for suburbs, he is a neo-liberal, like our two last presidents who did nothing for it. Mélenchon or maybe Hamon could have made things change.
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Yes,that's the position that neoliberalism is about. Now this sub has been favouring Macron,Hillary,Trudeau and Shultz.... and these politicians are mostly social democrats
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Refusing to be sensitive to our feelings is why Macron won.
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I agree that I was being vague. Let's try this again - the poor workers supporting Front National could be won by a candidate emphasizing class struggle and attacking the exploits of the rich global elite. I'm well aware that Melenchon is hardly a revolutionary Marxist.
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> admit he's just as bad as Le Pen. Fuck that noise. Calling people assholes for voting for the antisemitic proto-fascist is nowhere on the same scale as being an antisemitic proto-fascist.
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We know the evil that is Le Penn. We've see her kind everywhere. A person who inherited her position, yet claim to fight the establishment. A person who claims to put their own country first, but is almost exclusively financed by foreign entities. Says they want to protect our values, yet grovel at the feet of a homophobe sexist dictator.
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Just pointing out again that the headline has been editorialised in the sense that it's a mistranslation. Teuer or dear as it should have been translated means both expensive and beloved. They are saying that Macron's plans for Europe might be costly but it also might be worth it. They are examining both sides of the issue. They literally use two different colours to emphasise the two sides on the cover. Here is the actual article in case you are interested: [Merkel Views Macron with Skepticism and Hope](http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/frenemy-in-the-making-merkel-views-macron-with-skepticism-and-hope-a-1147822.html)
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Encore, j'ai pas vraiment l'impression que c'est moi qui fait la plus grosse fixette. Depuis là fois où je suis venue te faire chier j'ai bien vu une dizaine de commentaire similaire de ta part. > Mais bon rien que le fait que tu appelles un populiste d'extrême gauche comme Mélenchon "la gauche" montre bien dans quel délire tu te trouves. Bof, tu chiais sur Hamon pareil quand il en valait encore la peine. S'ils se branlaient sur le fn j'irais pas comme je vais pas sur JVC.
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> His party has now 0 seats in the State Duma and 0 seats in any regional parliament. Well that was pretty much true for Macron and look at him now.
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> I WONDER WHY AN OPPOSITION PARTY WHO IS AGAINST GLOBALIZATION WOULD HAVE TROUBLE GETTING FUNDING HMMMM I WONDER... Because the French banks generally do not give money to political campaigns. That wasn't something specifically anti-Le Pen. > "REEEE go back to The_Donald with your conspiracy theories! Absolutely. Learn the facts of the situation before spreading bullshit. But then again, what should one expect from a t_d user...
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It is then discovered that Macron is in fact "Emmanuel Stuart". The UK, in an economic depression following Brexit and stuck with Charles III, gladly backs the Technocratic Revolution where Macron seizes the throne with popular support and integrates the UK back into the EU.
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Thank god, I know there is a lot of dissatisfaction in France and Europe (and rightfully so). But Le Pen would have been an incredible mistake. I just hope Macron understand the massive task that lies in front of him.
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I like Macron (and I'd vote for him if I were French), but this doesn't seem like a healthy result for a working democracy at all
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Hillary was polling 2-3% above Trump at most points. Macron is polling between 25-35% above Le Pen consistently.
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Seems shallow, but I'm guessing it's because Macron is an attractive young person, which makes him seem more liberal than he actually is.
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Melenchon, i believe he sees money as a scary thing.
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I mean the shooter was a fascist right winger that liked Trump and Le Pen, so it's definitely not not his fault.
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YES. I like /r/politics and /r/EnoughTrumpSpam but before I found this sub when Macron won all I had was /r/hillaryclinton for my neolib needs
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No way. This is the horseshoe theory myth at work, I mean yeah maybe a handful of individuals who are totally out to lunch will vote Le Pen mais the majority will absolutely not go from almost-communist to fascist on a whim
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There is a precedent where a candidate got almost all the second round votes over Le Pen senior, yeah? Mind you, with last years regional elections, weren't FN held off in one or two only because the Socialists pulled out and asked people to vote Republican?
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Although they've been quiet about Fillon's recent blunder. I guess it's because they got caught doing the exact same thing.
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Unfortunately, a similar mentality exists here in Canada too. The people who voted for Harper didn't care about his Saudi Arms deals as long as he banned the hijab. Thankfully, he lost, but even our new government is engaging in those same deals Even in France, Le Pen voters did not care about her Russian connection as long as she stopped immigration. Thankfully she lost too. People ignoring problems with candidates in order to push their beliefs is an issue that affects many countries.
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Actually a lot of Melenchon voters would vote Le Pen. Many Le Pen voters are former commies and far-leftists. They are two sides of the same populist extremist coin.
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Back to r/FULLCOMMUNISM with you, there’s nothing worse than normalising the far left and the Marxist disease, not even Le Pen or her fascist idiots would be as bad or as devastating as the Red Plague that people like you spew from your parents’ basements.
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Macron isn't extreme right though. He's centrist-right, which is admittedly extremely right when compared to anarchic political positions, but relative to the rest of the spectrum, things could be worse.
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Inaction is the worst action but voting for Macron is Inaction as you say. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm actually confused by what you've said.
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> Though I don't believe they are for Le Pen either (for clear reasons), they may have a strong absententionism in second turn which helps the FN most of the time. Ironically, they might go against Le Pen's chances. She needs every Eurosceptic vote and even if she were to get all of Melenchon voters, she'd only have 40% of the overall vote.
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Let me guess: they once again infiltrated 4chan and pushed for the most savage pro le pen memes in The great meme war for France? Give me a break.
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I'm worried about both and both candidates. And I don't believe people like you. The english "experts" told me that Brexit could never happen, and the american "experts" told me that Trump couldn't win. I won't believe the french people who tell me that "Le Pen can never win". You word in god's ear son, but don't be so sure and fucking whine afterwards. We should have learned our lesson by now.
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Where to the predictions come from that the vast majority of the abstentions will go to Macron?
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So are you going to give any of those links context, or just dump what you find on a google search of "gender and climate change"? Macron was specifically calling out to US climate scientists to come to France for better grant funding opportunities given Trump's desire to defund the EPA. It has nothing to do with gender studies or liberal arts. You're just desperately trying to link the two in a vain attempt at smearing a Western leader's attempt to draw more scientists to his country.
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Macron gonna be the first 90s kid to control a nuclear arsenal
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Fascism: an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization "Marine Le Pen vows to suspend immigration to 'protect France'" "'No other religion is causing problems' Le Pen continues to back burkini ban"
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not knowing what a brasserie is, I initially thought Macron went into a lingerie store
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Search for "Macron" on /r/neoliberal, it should become clear pretty quick.
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You know, like his predecessor François Hollande 5 years ago...
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I do. What do you think he stands for? Melenchon is being hyperbolic.
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I agree speaking as someone who did not like Le Pen and also as someone who does not complain about reddit shitposts dividing us further I think neither of those options are good
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Holy shit I did not realise how crazy Le Pen is.
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I disagree with 10 candidates out of 11 but among those 10 the only one I'm calling racist is Le Pen. Considering she has been to trial for "inciting racial hate" I think there's some basis to it.
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There is a "shy Le Pen supporter effect". Pollsters know it and compensate for it. The numbers you see in polls (french polls at least) are not the actual numbers, they're the numbers after correction. French polls are pretty good at that tho, just look at how accurate the polls for the first round were.
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Sadly, this is how the EU operates. If Le Pen wins I guarantee there will be a "recount" until she loses.
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I imagine this is an attempt to win over some of Fillon's more socially-conservative voters for the second round. To be honest I doubt she'll lose much support over this, since anyone who really cares about this sort of thing probably isn't voting for her anyway, but it's not gonna win her the election.
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Fillon is pro-Russia, against the further development of the EU, strong on Catholic values, close to what Sarkosy was saying : "Nous sommes des Gaullois". He is against abortion although he said he wouldnt do anything against (let's see when he's president).
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Macron is definitively center right by French standards. He is pro market, pro EU, pro liberalizing labour markets etc etc. He is the neo liberal candidate.
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But it's not a coverup, the leak happened now to disadvantage, not advantage, Macron, which is the opposite impression you would get. True statements can be misleading.
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Le Pen is authoritarian and nationalist. how is she not a fascist?
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Very few polls have ranked him third, and never by much. He is far from being ranked second. So no, Mélenchon present at round 2 isn't nearly as probable as Le Pen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017
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