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The American alt-right is trying to influence sunday's French elections with fake news.
One of the guys in 4chan (probably in /pol/) doctored a pdf to "prove" that Macron has a bank account in the Caiman islands. He did it too quickly and forgot to merge some layers.
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/u/xbettel, these Macron gifs - that one with pepe, *unngh*
I'm so close! Give me more!
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That's totally misleading.
It's the journalist which insisted twice that Le Pen confirm that her position - which include any non European country - would include jews.
Le Pen even had to correct the journalist that this position does **not** concerns jews but Israeli. ("*Ce n’est pas aux juifs mais aux Israéliens à qui je demande de choisir leur nationalité*" = It's not jews but Israeli to which I ask to choose their nationality.)
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Seriously? I don't understand that logic. It sounds a lot like the angry Bernie supporters who voted for Trump to me. I am a social democrat myself and I would rather vote for a centrist than a far right politician. Don't get me wrong though, I am not trying to tell you what to do as I honestly don't even know as much about the French political scene as I would like. For the record, what's the deal with Valls? I would have thought that people who lean left would vote for him over Le Pen or Fillon.
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The journalists from this emission "le petit journal" are well known. I watched the show wednesday night and they showed the whole footage they filmed, before and after the 30sec video here (including him waiting for his turn to ask a question). They explained who the people involved were, including a guy who works for le pen pointing him and saying something like 'go on, go on' ('allez, allez') when the guards took him.
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With EU immunity withdrawn, she now has standing (an important component to altering unjust laws). As I've said elsewhere, because the French government feels to test her on this issue she'll be able to ride it all the way to the election, regardless how fast they move on it now. If they convict and sentence her next week, she'll be able to command headlines. It'll only get worse as she appeals the ruling to the highest courts.
Strategically, this was a bad move by the government and great PR for Le Pen.
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Please, be serious. You'll see 5 more years of French demonstrating and rioting regardless of who gets elected. We would be demonstrating and rioting if our president was a saint, with Le Pen it'd be a goddamn civil war.
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Le Pen's tweet was in response to the media equating her to ISIS. The actual tweet said "THIS is Daesh!". But please don't let me ruin your narrative.
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I imagine the socialists neither wanted Macron nor Le Pen. Which is bad on it's own way because these absentees tend to give more power to far right parties indirectly.
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My phrase wasnt a literal example.
Im convinced thats what people expect from their leaders.
Im looking forward to Macron proving me wrong.
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With people like you, people like Le Pen are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Incapable of being able to acknowledge when people like Le Pen are doing something right
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> Why? What would Le Pen do to the French Democracy?
Actually nothing. Because even if she's elected president she won't have a majority in parliament and won't be able to do shit, to democracy or anything else.
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Le pen cant win. Our right wing is as retarded as her minus the nationalism and the anti eu feel.
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How much do the French people know/care that Macron is a spooky centrist liberal? Americans on both side of the spectrum were terrified that Hillary was
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That's a good thing to hear. I am glad Macron respects the unions. If it wasn't for unions (in Australia though) we would not have many work rights we cherish today.
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It seems that no one wants to admit that there are some serious, fundamental problems that people are having with current political direction of the West. It's easy to say that every brit who voted for Brexit was dumb, that every American who voted for Trump was dumb, and that every frenchmen that votes for Le Pen is dumb.. This doesn't highlight the stupidity of people, it highlights that a majority of the population in a democratic nation fundamentally disagree with it's current political administration.
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Short-term thinking is really a problem we have in Western Democracies - always thinking only to the next elections can produce some problems.
With Macron pretty much cleared to become the next president of France, I doubt the EU will fail this year. As long as France stays in, the core of the EU remains intact.
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France's idiotic Macron plans to close some of them, and wait for it, replace it largely with natural gas (lol)
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Run neoliberal candidates and win. Prove that you don't need to be a populist to be popular. Enact evidence-based policy and publicize the success.
Right now, democrats (well, everyone except the Trump-wing of the Republican Party really) is looking for someone or something to blame. Some people have decided the problem was being *too* centrist, *too* inclusive, and *too* business-friendly.
Honestly, I think Macron and En Marche! in France should be the guidebook for sensible parties around the world, and particularly in the United States.
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Any idea if there's anything really damaging in the macron emails yet? It seems like a pretty blazingly centre left French guy is the worst person to do this to.
If it's sexual promiscuity it's a small chance the French are really going to care about that like the American public would.
If it's him talking like a neoliberal what news is that?
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Le Pen, Like Trump and to a degree Farage have no interest in draining the swamp as their support base partly comes from big business.
They borrow the rhetoric of "draining the swamp" but what they actually mean is a purge of any liberal influence whilst continuing the support and protection of any business that more reflects their extreme views. Climate change denial, Deregulation for polluters, EU regulation protecting workers and human rights.
Draining the swamp would most likely these days involve removing politics and business altogether as they go hand in hand.
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Reposting because otherwise no one will see it:
https://youtu.be/b9TQ21wEPuQ
Macron talking
# CASH SHIT
He's so gooooood
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Le Pen lost by a 60 point margin in 2003. France's unemployment rate has been around or above 8% since the 80s.
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"Wow it's almost like every situation has outliers"
Apply the same logic to your assesment of Macron's age.
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Fillon should sit down and hope people forget about him lol
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I think Social liberalism is relatively Centrist. Social liberalism is kinda like Social democracy, but less about "workers issues" and slightly more positive towards free markets.
Parties like the Lib Dems, D66 or candidates like Macron seem pretty Centrist.
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Nah
French's system is very different. No chance of a Trump being elected by a minority of people there.
It's direct, and there's two rounds. So even if Le Pen is qualified for the second round, people will massively vote for whoever is left against her.
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[Why electing inexperienced politicians like Trump is backfiring](http://nypost.com/2017/06/17/why-electing-inexperienced-politicians-like-trump-is-backfiring/)
This article is dumb as fuck. 1) it compares Trump and Macron and 2) it contains:
> Hillary Clinton — the Theresa May of America —
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Reducto ad Erdoganiem?
I am unaware of any medieval tools used in Turkey, or Albania, or Azerbaijan. But sure, literally make up how the world looks and continue pretending you're better than Le Pen voters. You have the same delusion of being completely incapable of any kind of nuance when you look at the people you've learnt to hate. Pathetic really.
How I hope your far-right wins. I want to watch your country go down the shitter, all because of a few Muslims. xD
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>can't bewilder the Wilders
>can't Turkmen the Le Pen
God, the fucking cringe.
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>but the real test comes with france and germany votes soon, about the veracity of what you say about you being strong
Not really.
In Germany Merkel could only possibly lose to the SPD, which is more left, while in France Le pen recently lost her lead.
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I need to stop reading about Macron. The more I hear him, the more depressed I get about the direction the USA is taking.
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Why the hate? I may not agree with her or her supporters' policies, but that does not make them bad persons; some of my best friends voted for Le Pen. Should they go fuck for themselves too? We need to spread unity in this nation, and that attitude, I believe, is not one which will accomplish that goal.
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French inteligence system confirmed Russia has been trying to hack En Marche for months. Of the TOP 4 candidates, Macron was the only one not praising Putin.
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[This gif about sums it up.](https://i.imgur.com/xkJHNMo.gifv)
He was serious the entire time, explaining his plans and answering questions, while Le Pen spent 90% of her time attacking him and acting like a crazy person. Even her supporters were disappointed.
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I am calling bullshit on some of those numbers. Le Pen only has a .4% chance against Fillon if they were in the second round? That seems unrealistic.
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In contrary, the timing make perfect sense if the author knows there is nothing juicy in those leaks . The pre-election blackout then prevent medias to analyze it and rumors can grow unchecked on social networks, creating a climate of suspicion that is going to profit Le Pen.
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It's not though! That's biased news! Sessions really did meet with the Russian ambassador, as he readily admits. Implying that those meetings could be a sign of criminal activity is a sign of bias. Fake news would be a story saying Sessions had an orgy with Putin and Le Pen (presumably).
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Probably not. Far-right French have a deep hate for the left wing, especially Mélenchon. The switchers are most likely Hamon > Mélenchon, Fillon > Macron. Le pen supporters might switch to Macron if they don't really feel that ultra-right
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The good news is that there's nothing bad in Macron's emails. The main reason it hurt Hillary was because of a perceived bias against Bernardo, which obviously isn't the case for Macron.
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> Amazing, you can get fined for saying the holocaust was a detail of history. France has bigger problems than the Le Pens it seems.
I can understand that if you don't have a problem with what happened, you'd agree with that.
I'd rather an investment banker as president than someone who will curtail my liberties because I have a funny name and an unusual skin colour.
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I'm a major lover of Milton Friedman's whole political philosophy, even extending past his economics, and have since fallen into a sort of classical liberal mindset.
Jk I'm actually just a paid Macron-shill
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Macron asks Putin to protect *gay Chechens*
Macron isn't a *Chechen*, but he may be something else...
(Not my finest joke)
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I second this, Macron seems quite motivated.
I guess our government would be motivated quite a lot of if they were certain they would not implode by saying a word people disagree with.
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Le Pen would organize a referendum.
Mélenchon wants to renegociate the european treaties, to make them more "social". If he did not obtain what he wants, he would organize a referendum too.
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Fuck Le Pen and the hacking bullshit. Just look at what /r/the_donald is dregging up.
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You're talking nonsense. Let's bet. I bet $1000 that Marine Le Pen won't win this election. I bet another $1000 that France won't leave the EU and that the EU will still be standing proud in 5 years. Are you in? Are you willing to put $1000 in escrow to be given to the winner of the bet after the presidential election?
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Marine le Pen isn't going to win because Macron has a 20 percentage point lead in the polls
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Well I'm British but I wanted either Kasich or Jeb to win.
I originally backed Fillon for the French election, but now I back mr macaroon.
I voted Tory in 2015, but will be voting Liberal on the 8th.
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Agreed, I'm not pro Le Pen by any stretch, but this only furthers her position as the "outsider that establishment politicians are afraid of". Regardless if their fears are justified or logical, no one wants to be told how to vote. It kind of defeats the purpose of voting.
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Ok. I genuinely don't understand this comment, what I mean is that I personally felt that Macron wasent the best candidate but I am hoping that he will prove *me* wrong
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He's not center. Eroding labor law is not being center. Anything huge might come out of it might be Le Pen win in 2022 when people get tired of neoliberalism and there will be no left around.
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No.
Pétain was a traitor and a fascist and as such nobody was politically associated to him after the war.
Le Pen's movement's ancester is Poujadisme. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Poujade
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It's his response to Fillon accusing him of trying to bring him down
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Being an European and waking up to the ruins of the Osoff thread: weird experience.
Also in France MODEM is out Macron government because of an inquiry. Bayrou (DOJ) is out. Sarnez (EU affairs) too. New cabinet in 7 hours. I hope they don't appoint center right members.
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> Obama told Macron that he needs to do a better job of rigging the election. The overwhelming vote turnout and Electoral College favored Trump. I don't think France's voting system is similar so I hope the best for her but IDK if the system will allow her to win.
System that allows the candidate with fewer votes win -> good.
System where all votes are equal -> RIGGED!
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It's something that always amused me about brexitiers/T_D people being so enthusiastic about Le pen/wilders etc. Like? They'd be temporary friends at best. Hell,brexit Britain was supposed to be "First in the queue" for a trade deal with Trump's America and now he's pursuing one with the EU! It's an amazing level of naivete/stupid
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Don't agree with his neoliberal economics but boy did I underestimate how strong Macron would be on the international stage. A fantastic counterweight to Trump and Putin.
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Le Pen went to Lebanon...where there is no law requring headscarves. Hell 41% of the population is Christian, and another 5% are Druze. All these people are demonstrating is that they know nothing.
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No, but bigots and racist are most likely to vote her. Not all le Pen voters are racist, but most racists are le Pen voters
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Merkel. Macron. Gentiloni. Can anyone name a European leader who *doesn't* speak better English than Trump?
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Given how much the French people seem to despise Hollande,could it be said that his endorsement of Macron would do more to hurt Macron than help him?
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As much as the idea of a refuged goth nobility "reconquering" the whole peninsula from a cathartic epic win in 722 is utterly stupid I find equally stupid the insistence in highlighting those lands weren't "theirs" and were "rightful muslim clay" in a "legal basis", because you are projecting post-Westfalian constructs of international law to the past.
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"No, officer! I was tweeting about my macaron recipe, not Macron!"
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> So I don't see how this result should be all too negatively perceived by this sub.
While Macrons economic policy is all free market capitalism, smaller state, cutting red tape and lower taxes Macron is also a social liberal, so there is a big portion of this sub that is just not going to like him.
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Many people are saying that Melania Trump dreams about Macron at night, a lot of people are saying that. She'll be at the White House when Macron will make an official visit there, believe me.
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Yes I agree. Sorry if it was not clear enough.
I am talking of the 3 'winners' of this election:
*En Marche with Macron the new French president. Moderate center party.
*France Insoumise with Melanchon. A very left leaning party.
*Front National with Le Pen. A far right party.
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Wales is part of the kingdom of England. The United Kingdom refers to the union between the kingdoms of England and Scotland. Wales and Northern Ireland have no bearing on that. If the Scots leave (which would shock me more than Trump,Brexit, or even Le Pen), then we would likely call ourselves the kingdom of Britain.
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I meant past voters of the Socialist Party voted for Melenchon this time. [According to this Ipsos study](https://www.slideshare.net/IpsosFrance/1er-tour-prsidentielle-2017-sociologie-de-llectorat/12), 1 in 4 Melenchon voters voted for Hollande in the 1st round of the 2012 election.
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i know about the "dementia tax", it's a shame it didn't get reworked and stay in because its one of the biggest things that will threaten the NHS in the relatively close future, care costs for the elderly massively outweigh the amount of money they put in, same for the triple pension lock
problem is, these are key points the elderly vote for, and they always turn up, which is why noone wants to touch them
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Macron is centrist to center-right. He's certainly not center-left on the French political spectrum.
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> I wonder what will happen to right wingers in France now
Some of them, possibly including Marine Le Pen, will go to jail, for stealing million of euros in European funds. That's a good start.
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More than a revamp. Honestly, I think they should just disband and re-form under a new image. Hollande has tarnished that party.
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Why is the attack the news? If the Russian media outlets were acting as Kremlin propaganda organs determined to undermine the legitimacy of France's election, then **that's** news. Not whether or not Macron is pointing the fact out.
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Wise choice. Sadly I can't take you on your bet because I expect the same result as you. Need to find Le Pen supporter somewhere..
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Jean Lassalle won. One of the only seats im glad En Marche lost because Lassalle seems cool
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y= β + βthis +βis + βwhy + βMacron + βwon + *u*.
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Thanks for the reply. What do you see France's future being like under Melenchon?
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He's not a communist at all, he's slightly more left than Bernie Sanders but that's it. That's The Guardian spreading bullshit because anything outside of unbridled liberalism is communism to them. Anyone who read his program would scoff at the article. Claiming Mélenchon is "communist backed" is about as intellectually dishonest as claiming Sanders is "communist backed" just because the [party leader voted for him](https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-31/communist-party-leader-voted-for-sanders-will-back-clinton). It's true but narrowing who he is politically to this fact is Breitbart-like narrative.
Also, there a big factual error in the article, Melenchon doesn't intend to enforce 32-hour week at all.
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First line of the article:
> Japanese investors dumped a record amount of French bonds in February, rattled by the rising popularity of far-right candidate Marine Le Pen in the upcoming presidential election
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For starters her father was a member of the vichi government In ww2, and complicit in helping the nazis round up French Jews. After the war, he continued his ani semitism crusade for decades afterwords as a member of FN. A party that until recent years had explicit anti semitic points in its manifesto.
The apple didn't fall far from the tree. Le pen is as anti Semitic as her father. She's just better at hiding it.
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It's both things. They dislike anyone to their left, but Renzi and Hollande don't get the amount of vitriol Merkel and Clinton did, because of sexist reasons.
Internalised sexism doesn't mean that someone will hate every single woman in the world.
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Confident
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Nope, *le* pen is a curse and will *not* pass. But seriously, what can make you believe france has bad politics, and that le pen is a good alternative?
I'm genuinely curious about your point of view
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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The same would have been said had Le Pen's emails been leaked. It also prevents media outlets from praising them both. All I'm saying is that so long as this policy is enforced consistently between all candidates, your specific critiques hold little credence.
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Conservative
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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That doesn't make him a perv. Who cares his wife is older than him ? If that's your best argument to convince people to vote Le Pen you guys are pathetic.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Yeah - [from IFOP](https://twitter.com/IfopOpinion/status/856906125224136705), 19% of France insoumise voters (Melenchon) would vote for Le Pen; only 7% of Parti socialiste (Hamon) would vote for FN.
Those people are the real crazies.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Marine Le Pen means Frexit, it won't destabilise the EU, it will destroy it. Are you a EU citizen or not ? And if you are not a EU citizen. Why do you want the EU to be disbanded ?
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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He doesn't have to prove anything. You're shifting the burden of proof. It's like asking him to prove he didn't murder someone.
You, yes, **YOU**, have to prove that France is in danger because they didn't elect Le Pen.
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Conservative
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Leaked conversation between macron and le pen:
"you can't win an election with a party that is only 1 year old"
"Hold my beer"
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Sometimes, I think Macron wouldn't want some of those supports to be honest. Like the support of Hollande doesn't really help him tbh.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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I'm not too familiar with French poliltics. So the top 2 of this general election goes on to a 1v1? Fillon is the guy whose getting hot press for family corruption right?
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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Hollande got caught up in a mess of corruption and sex scandals. As policy went, he was doing fine. The guy was basically France's Bill Clinton.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Purity,Proportionality
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Somewhat Confident
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Could be a vote for political correctness, and not wanting to appear being like the US or GB, despite reservations that would motivate otherwise. Their election still had plenty of scandal, just a wider variety.
The Fillons will be feeling the effects from their concurrent investigation for some time, long after this election has faded from memory.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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If we use Macron as a litmus test then this is good.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Somewhat Confident
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I wonder if Macron's win in France will help Ciudadanos...
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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No. It's exceptionalism. This is what France and Russia are suffering under too - which is what made France more susceptible to extremism with Le Pen winning nearly 40% of the votes. If you listened to Macron's speech, it has hints of exceptionalism too, despite being pro-EU
Why do you think our brainless mongrels wants to bring back the Imperial measurements and pre-decimal currency? Because it's fucking **British**
EDIT: I was wrong on the percentage; it should be 34%. Sorry, guys.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Thin Morality
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Confident
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I'm not saying she cares, I'm saying she is the only one providing a realistic screnario to the poor. Even you realize the problem but can't articulate an answer, exactly as the establishment so arguing against Le Pen doesn't make sense from that perspective. I think the plutocrats have pushed the wealth inequality so far that the masses want answers now not speculation. Macron was economy misinter for two years 2014-2016 and Hollande was his mentor, how can anyone vote for him when he did nothing before to help them?
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Equality
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Confident
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Okay I'm a little confused now. Didn't this sub upvote an anti-Macron post not too long ago?
EDIT: I found the post, I had skipped a line while reading the title like some dumb fuck. What I saw was this:
**This is Emmanuel Macron,** the French presidential candidate running against Marine Le Pen, **a far-right demagogue endorsed by Trump**
I had also wondered since when Macron was even remotely fascist, especially compared to Le Pen. I don't know man, I must have been real tired then.
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neoliberal
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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A completely objective thing might explain the lack of support from his party :
During the primaries, he talked a lot about being clean, and presented himself as the anti-corruption candidate (probably hinting at Sarkozy who was taking part in those primaries), so a lot of people from his own party must feel betrayed.
On a completely different note, according to the data I watched last night, he is indeed one of the few 3 candidates pro-EU, with Hamon and Macron.
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europe
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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So creating a comprehensive and inclusive historical accounting of his country and those who have influenced it for over a millennia is the real scandal? That's a fucking scandal to you?
Oh and nice spot on Macrons teeth, I'm sure it *has to be* meth. Couldn't possibly be *literally any fucking thing else*.
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worldnews
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French politics
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annotator02
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Non-Moral
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Confident
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