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He never said T-shirt were provocative ? Otherwise I'm waiting for you to give a list of people more pro EU than Macron
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if Le pen wins, it is the extreme left fault. It will be written in history like that. (Not agreeing or disagreeing but it how history gets written).
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Oh boy, can't wait to read baseless conjecture about this forever even after the autopsy report. Thank God this isn't Le Pen's staff, else t_d and others would be cooking up some kind of ridiculous retaliation conspiracy.
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Don't fear the terrorist goatfuckers, don't vote Le Pen. Good luck France.
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It's not using it as a silencing tool. This is Europe. All political parties there tend to agree that hate speech should be illegal because they have a more direct consciousness about what certain speech can lead to. Le Pen only disagrees about what kind of speech is hate speech because of her political perspective.
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> Mouai. I am right-wing and will Macron without hesitation. Same here. But I understand why some people would still vote for him.
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It still doesn't explain why Melenchon finished in fourth place. If he was so popular shouldn't he have been in 1st or 2nd place?
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I fail to see how it is not inherently pragmatic. Allying yourself with Hollande's party that practically shat on leftist ideals during 3 years seems a bad idea if you want to turn into reality those very ideals. The problem we have is not that the left won't ally, it is that we have a party keeping monopoly of the word left when it has strayed away from it for a long time now.
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Historically and academically, neolibs have spanned from Clinton/Gore types on the left to Reaganites and Thatcherites to the right. This sub seems to be going with a different definition, that excludes some Reagan/Thatcher types and includes some more center-left types that align more with Obama/HRC. If the split in definitions worry you at all, rejoice- Macron fits both descriptions!
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Le Pen wasn't going to be able to last much longer and no French banks were supporting her bid so wouldn't extend her capital. Russia bank did though. Her opinion is no surprise. Channel money into a candidate and you can see the impact. Lmao.
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Well, fortunately we don't have the same open immigration policy as Hollande in France who values virtue-signaling over the well-being of his citizens so hopefully we shouldn't need that.
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Yet nothing was done, but the police have time to raid Le Pen's office. Priorities.
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Holy Fuck, Le Pen is actually 3rd now, behind the abstentions/blank votes > Confirmed: [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_2017) >Macron: 15 mi > Abstentions/Blank votes: 12 mi >Le Pen: 8 mi
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Nah, news outlets are just starting to disregard AP Style and just write in the speech of their readers. >"You see this shit? Le Pen charged over fucking scandal. More as this shit goes down."
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Thank you for clarifying. I do however think, that freedom of speech has its limits. Political correctness is not a substitute to resolve stereotypes underneath them but I still think, it should not be just acceptable for everyone to blurt out the first think that pops into their brain, especially if the message is hateful or against human (dignity). As someone who wants to be a politician, I also condemn Le Pens populism and fear-mongering. She should have a higher standard.
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Marine Le Pen will most definitely exploit this. These economic migrants brought their sectarian violence to France how fucking unbelievable! You are escaping a war.. Try and behave.
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To small extent it could be, but the main cause of these terrorist attacks are the result of failed integration policies of immigrants in the past. So while ISIS exists their ideology will not disappear. Some marginalized Muslims in French society keep being radicalized. After Le Pen, perhaps, even more.
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This is what a lot of people want to believe. After 2016, I just refuse to completely rule out President Le Pen.
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Isnt Le Pen in favor of welfare? Also isnt Fillon against immigration?
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In some ways it was but it is more complex than that. Many of problems that caused the Front National to have more support have been there long before Hollande took office.
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Out of Hamon, Macron and Fillon, which is least likely to beat Le Pen if they were both in the second round?
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I'm not sure you could call Fillon a liberal. He is very conservative in most issues.
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The most awkward thing is Macrons wive anyway. Weird outfit, and she looks extremely unconfortable. Though I have to admit Mrs. Erdogan does look silly. Not because she wears a Veil, but because she looks like a mobile bunker.
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He's not my guy. Honestly I don't know what else people need to see this is a blatant attempt by Le Pen and Russia to influence the election. I'm not whining, I'm complaining about what I suspect is a foreign power interfering in our democracy, and a presidential candidate being possibly associated to it, which is pretty damn close to treason if you ask me. Not that it's a surprise for a party founded by collaborationists and Nazis.
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I'd argue there's still no 'proper' definition. As with any ideology or movement, it's difficult, and frankly counterproductive to try to define in specific terms. It means specific things to specific people; some would balk at the notion that every Trump voter or every Le Pen voter is part of the alt-right, others would be more than happy to include them — and that goes for people both inside and outside the movement.
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You're welcome - although my description is probably a bit biased, since I'm personally hoping for either Macron or Hamon to win :')
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Honestly, this attempt to call him a US plant and question his integrity by linking to Clinton's emails is laughable, especially when Le Pen is proven to accept money from Russia and the US and Fillon is under a corruption investigation.
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Le Pen's father is the Vichy apologist. I dislike Marine Le Pen but she isn't literally a Nazi and a big reason why she got 20% of the vote is precisely because she's tried to be a more moderate version of her father.
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Fillon will not satisfy anyone but those who are pro-status quo, which isn't a large group it seems, since Fillon is the only candidate that is basically more or less pro-status quo. And then there's the whole "he's Thatcherite" thing, but that kind of pales in comparison to what others want to do IMO.
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90 percent of Paris voted for Macron. Most of Le Pen supports are just afraid of what they see on TV/Facebook. Yes, most of Le Pen supports are racists fucks.
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Can mr bernke get me Macron's nudes???? Take that neolibcucks!!!
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But Trump's nefarious globalist handlers hijacking his media presence to (((congratulate))) Macron is *also* an improvement.
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It's Marine and no, she won't win. They have, as always, a strong base, but she has has much chance of winning the first turn as losing the second turn. The French people will never allow a FN president, especially not one named Le Pen.
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I would love to see Macron and Trudeau having romantic sex.
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He won't enter a coalition with anyone else and nobody else will enter a coalition with him. OTOH, if Le Pen wins, she wouldn't need to form a coalition with anyone.
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I agree with the statement, the assessment of the situation and have come to the same conclusion way before it became a popular notion in France or Germany. It's not rocket science, it's pretty damn obvious. Or would you claim that Macron somehow won with the majority of French people honestly backing him and not simply voting against Le Pen. That, in the case of paralysis, they would agree to give him *another* chance after Hollande failed, after Sarkozy failed?
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I looked this one up, it appears that Christians don't really have/wear any conspicuous religious symbols, but large crosses would also be banned by Le Pen. Who is the party that supports religious liberty in the US, maybe something like a Religious Liberties Executive Order that would “promote free speech and religious liberty”. I wonder if Le Pen would support that? Probably too far left for her taste.
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Rumor about Macron being an Homosexual because some people think "if you marry a women this much older than you you must be secretly gay"
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lepen did something no one thought it could be possible : she lost a freakin debate over macron jesus even asselineau humiliated him some days ego fucking asselineau my god
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Melenchon and Le Pen really aren't terribly far away from eachother, policy wise. Plenty of anti-EU moderates who voted Melenchon now have a decision to make. Le Pen is/was unpalatable; but they're going to have to decide what opinions they prioritise. Still, there shouldn't be nearly enough of them to deny a Macron victory.
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Oh yeah? Is that why Le Pen is polling so high for the election?
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I wonder if shes talking about Obama endorsing Macron..probably not.
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No no they are all for democracy, people deciding etc. but when non liberal candidate wins, OMFG why did you vote, you are fascist and so on. I dont like her but I would vote for because I am sick of current EU, and Macron won't bring almost any change.
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IF Macron is launching initiatives of this kind, quite a number of start-ups might move to France or be launched there. This means more opportunities for everyone, including EU citizens who could have moved to France at any time anyway.
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your reply. you didn't say Le Pen was bad for France, all you could talk about was Crimea - you all but called her a Russian spy.
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If Hollande is as good at carrying this out as he has been at carrying out all of his other plans, I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate President-Elect Marine Le Pen.
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We adore economists that have given us our evidence-based policy (Friedman, Krugman, Goolsbee). We love politicans anywhere on the spectrum of "market capitalism is good, but so is smart government intervention" (Clinton, Romney, Clegg, Booker, Macron). And we worship government technocrats that are a marriage of the two (Yellen & Based Bernke).
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You are an ultra nationalist. If you weren't you wouldn't spend so much time defending other ultra-nationalists. Just like your boy Farage loves Trump and how Trump loves Le Pen. Is this really too complicated for you to understand?
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No, Russia didn't hack anything - unless Le Pen wins - at which point it was 100% hacking /s
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Do you know anything about french politics? Le pen ans Fillon have very little in common. It's no suprise he backs a centrist over Le Pen.
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I got it from Political Chart Memes on Facebook. They tend to dislike Macron's R A D I C A L C E N T R I S M
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I am french and I agree. I am very much in a wait and see attitude toward Macron. He proved nothing to me so far.
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Le pen is a woman not a man. Apparently her father has been convicted of racism or inciting racial hatred at least six times. He used to be the head of the party and now she has replaced him continuing the same ideology. She has also been charged with provoking racial hatred.
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Macron won't make it to the first round Macron won't beat Le Pen Macron won't get the majority of Parliament Macron won't have a supermajority in Parliament
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But how does this tie into Marine Le Pen? You didn't answer my question. Is there actual evidence she holds the views of her father - especially after she left his party over his racist comments?
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"We are ready to retaliate to cyberattacks not just in kind but with any other conventional measure, security tool" - said Macron FP adviser. I wish Obama would have said that. Vive la France!
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Holy shit, I'll say! The OP calls macron out for never holding public office.........
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I was going to include them but it seems like Le Pen is going to lose quite embarrassingly no?
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I think Trump is an incompetent idiot while Pence is just evil.
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He's the best man to take care of France's economic stagnation and of the youth unemployment crisis. Most of the social problems in the country - you might have noticed all the French terrorism issues lately - are consequences of the economic problems. Le Pen has nothing to offer but lies and hateful disunity. No solutions. At all. Pandering to the xenophobic nationalists will never make anyone happy or rich. It just makes the angry losers angrier.
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Of course she should not wear the stupid fucking scarf. I'm not a Le Pen fan but no way should we bend like that. They need to respect our culture also.
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Le Pen isn't unique with her immigration policies, she is unique when it comes to her anti-NATO view.
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Interesting these guys suggest an absolute majority for Macron https://www.thelocal.fr/20170618/macron-set-for-landslide-victory-in-elections-hit-by-record-low-turn-out
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Trump supporters want Le Pen to win.. politics is more than gender.
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I have personally bet 55/45 with Macron winning a month back, but then again, I went to sleep on the 8th on November because I couldn't be arsed to watch a boring election where Hillary would easily win.
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>suffer one of the most crushing political defeats a reality tv-buffoon? 1) Yes I forgot, all neoliberals are Americans! (Who's Macron again?) 2) Didn't Trump lose by 3 million votes? 3) Why do you hate the global poor?
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What you are talking about was in Fillon's program. Macron wants workers to negotiate working time and payment with their employers through unions, instead of it being fixed in the law. This will affect their overtime but for 20 hours per month, what they will lose on the overtime surplus will be largely compensated by the removal of the habitation tax and the lower CSG. And don't forget the fact that overtime will not be taxed anymore.
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Youre retarded if you called Le Pen a fascist. Youre completely retarded. You literally call people words you do not even understand the definition of.
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This isn't about spectrum, Le Pen is divisive and promotes the hatred of whole castes of people. That's fucked up, not just for a politician, but also for a human being. She compared Muslims praying in the streets of France to the Nazi occupation of France. If I were the mayor and the majority of people were this hateful, I would certainly have my doubts about serving them too, independent of politics.
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Makes a lot of sense to want Fillon to stay in the race if you're a Macron supporter, much better odds against Lepen than Juppé.
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Why? Once France eventually ends up at 50% Islam, science will just be banned by sharia law. Only Le Pen will keep French culture alive and above islam. France is 10% Islam right now and look at all the terror attacks. Vive Le France I will *truly* be heart broken if the country that helped birth my nation from tyranny falls to Islam. I hope France will remember how vital freedom is, and that they were once renown throughout the world as a bastion of it.
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For 8K upvotes in the Macron thread we have triggered surprisingly few trumpkins. I am sad, I want more salt.
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not really... where is the paris vote? that's not going for le pen
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didnt we warn ppl this is literally whats going to happen once macron and merkel starts ruling the EU? States that doesnt want terrorists will be sanctioned and punished
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Show me a single post I am shilling for Macron?
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I screwed up: "Soroslandia's national animal is the Macron, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation."
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Russian newspapers after Macron beat Le Pawn: "Macron is a ‘gay psychopath" http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/05/08/emmanuel-macron-is-a-gay-psychopath-claims-best-selling-russian-newspaper/
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> In an interview with Israel’s Channel 2, Le Pen expressed support for banning the wearing of yarmulkes as part of her broader effort to outlaw religious symbols in public. So she would most certainly ban the wearing of crosses as Jewelry, right?? I imagine she would care to go around all the historic monuments and buildings throughout France and remove any crosses that may be on any buildings?
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Nah, you just have to redraw the grid and label the center "neoliberalism." If you actually read the survey, Clinton and Sanders supporters had basically the same opinions on government intervention and inequality. Where they differed most was on the perception that the political system is "rigged." So to bring the modal Sanders supporter into the fold, the Democratic Party doesn't need to adopt Socialism, it needs someone like Macron who can present themselves as a reformist outsider while not scaring moderates. All my priors are intact, phew.
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It certainly needs truly democratic institutions, which would decide where the EU goes (with countries that agree, and those who don't can keep the statu quo or go back even further) instead of treaties drafted between national leaders unconnected from the populations with the economic ideology of Germany. I must say, even if I voted Mélenchon, that I was quite attracted to Hamon's (Piketty's, in fact) projects of a Eurozone assembly, which would have been able to take fiscal decisions and end austerity.
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I wonder what Le Pen's emails would show, shame no-one is leaking them as Macron's ones were uninteresting.
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We need Roosevelts, Churchills and DeGaulles. What do we have? Trumps, Mays and Hollandes.
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Honestly, I think what Melenchon did is worse. She is just stupid.
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Except Le Pen et al aren't radicals. They're pretty damn mainstream. They aren't homophobic, they aren't racist, they aren't pro big-business. They're a run of the mill eurosceptic and anti-globalization party.
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Why is everybody coming in here and getting mad at us I just come here to look at Macron memes and peep some decent book / study / paper recs. Is that so wrong? Like honestly how do you look at this sub and think any of this is heinous or dangerous. Oh no, free trade. $12 minimum wage. What scum of the earth. Truly vile
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European nationalism then? I really don't think any of these "Nationalists" such as Le Pen, who enjoys sucking Putin's dick are intending to empower their nation, it's all a charade.
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Macron is a centrist, he left the social democrat party.
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Well Chirac never said his ideal politican was Margaret Tatcher. Like with the left wing side, there is many political currents on the right wing and Fillon is on the extra scary one.
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Wow you seem to have some of your feathers ruffled Also calling Macron "the left" is fucking laughable
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The difference is Macron is likely to win the election. here's a thought- how about politicians use email _wayyyyy_ less for any sort of "controversial" communication? since clearly email companies are not secure.
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Thank Mr Macron, thank Mr Bernke, thank Mr Friedman, thank all of our neoliberal prophets on this wonderful day
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Yeah, remember all that money Macron received form Syrian terrorists?
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Strong maybe. Hopefully capitalism will win this round as well and, as it's already doing, incentivize companies to look pathways to more renewable energy. Also hopefully Macron gets rid of the anti-nuclear bullshit that France and Germany have been exhibiting. Anti-nuclear fearmongering goes against our evidence based policy and is populist in nature.
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because then he wouldn't get to leech off the success of a well established political party and let's face it, he's no Emmanuel Macron so he kind of had to.
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Le Pen is pretty liberal... Not as much as her daughter though.
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lol do you really believe any of that histrionic bullshit? This is why macron won
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No, no, no. False, the article does not say this, Virginie Combe said this. Macron says what's on his mind but acknowledges the fact that his opinion might be tremendously hard to accept for some people and thus has this thing..., this thing we all say rulers should have... What's it called again... You know, that thing that's good to keep a nation united... Oh yeah: empathy!
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5 years is plenty of time, In 5 years I'll have my engineering degree, not a simple shift supervisor anymore, so I'll be better able to handle the inevitable economic crash of a possible Le Pen presidency in the EU's second largest economy.
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Um, Macron got more votes than Le Pen, a million more. He didn't lose.
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As much as I hate Le Pen this is what Western women should do including those Swedish "feminists". Unfortunately this completely transparent stunt will get her closer to winning the presidency.
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