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Well now we know there are very bad fake ones, like xls sheet that contain russian tags, or a forged PDF of an alleged Macron account that can be opened and manipulated in Photoshop. Real amateur work.
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Did Le Pen have some racist slogans in her campaign?
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You're not protecting yourself, you're using the fear of a future terror attack to imply Le Pen could somehow prevent one. That's terrorism champ
worldnews
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The foreskin is a retractable penis protecting pleasure tissue. Really no advantages to not having it.
europe
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Ranked choice balloting. Or instant runoff. Literally anything other than FPTP. There is no possibility of a Macron in this country, you can't just create a party, there are only two and there has only ever been two. Our system just encourages an increase in populism anymore. Did Not Vote won the EC in a massive near sweep last November, it's clear the system created by our constitution for the Presidential level (and is copied all the way down) has destroyed the legitimacy of American democracy.
neoliberal
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To be honest, I'm also disappointed with neo-Nazi links. For example, I will never forgive Poroshenko for [meeting and endorsing French Le Pen before election](http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170324105546-01-le-pen-putin-meet-0324-exlarge-169.jpg).
europe
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me, when I want to see a picture of Le Pen
neoliberal
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Melenchon promised to hold an EU-membership referendum. Sanders never even hinted at anything that reckless. Hamon, like Sanders when the push came to shove, favoured a pragmatic and political solution, not showcasing.
europe
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Fillon supporters are mostly very loyal LR voters who won't accept to vote for someone with a centrist/center-left agenda like Macron.
europe
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Its true. In the US we make fun of trump and melania, but its been oddly quiet the fact our first lady has done porn, is 20 yrs younger, was a mistress while trump was married to his 2nd wife Oddly republicans are joking more about macrons marriage than trumps which is laughable
worldnews
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France prohibits the gathering of statistics on religion and race (a legacy of WW2) but demographic shifts are becoming very obvious. Some schools have a large majority of muslim youth. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/12/22/french-mayor-tried-muslim-problem-comments/ We're really talking about "the great replacement" in France which is not about race but about culture. A historically liberal, secular, tolerant and artistically-flourishing state is importing some staid, conservative religious cultures and a clash is inevitable. Immigration, sure. But to the level of wholesale demographic upheaval and tossing European culture to minority status? No thanks -- and Le Pen is representing that feeling.
worldnews
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So Macron has unveiled his cabinet, and half of the positions are filled by women. This, for some reason, [really triggered an awful lot of redditors](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6bqlw0/frances_macron_unveils_cabinet_half_of_them_women/?sort=controversial) over on /r/worldnews
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I've heard some of the emails might be fake or edited, though, to imply drug addiction or a murder (???) had taken place. At least, that's what I've seen people accusing macron of when I sort by controversial.
worldnews
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Regardless of the random party he created for PR reasons, Macron is still very much the candidate of the establishment.
worldnews
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Apologies for my ignorance on French political ideology, but how similar are Mélechon's views to that of the current President Hollande? I'm interested in determining whether or not Hollande's low approval ratings might deter voters from choosing another candidate that is too similar?
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Don't lecture me, Le Pen. I see through the lies of the Populists. I do not fear liberalism as you do. I have brought peace, economic growth, freedom, cosmopolitanism, and rational policy making to my new Empire.
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I don't even think it's Right Vs. Left anymore. It's nationalism vs. Globalism. Brexit, Trump, Le Pen, etc
worldnews
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le pen is a problem. islamic extremists are a problem. why can't these two problems coexists on different ends of the spectrum?
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༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ MACRON TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
neoliberal
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Does Macron claim that he doesn't love his country? If one is running to be a Head of State then by all public pretenses they must love their country.
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> merkel and macron are globalist traitors who hate their country, choosing to bow to islam instead Where exactly do you think you are? Lmfao
neoliberal
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I wonder if Macron is stupid enough to demean and alienate the voters like Hilltard so smugly did.
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Unemployed people vote for radicals like Wilders, Le Pen, Mélenchon. It causes instability which is bad for growth.
europe
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Nobody is more honest than Fillon, MSM is guilty! Fake work! SAD! ugh...
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Because that's how you win. "when they go low, we go high" doesn't work. Russia needs to be taken down a notch, not left to become bolder. Macron has a golden opportunity to unite the EU against a common enemy, Russia which would make both France and the EU better off and more united. It's the one thing the EU has never had which is why it's always been so factionalized and weak. Or you could just spend the next 5 years getting fuck-all done while you pat yourselves on the back for having the moral high ground.
europe
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I dunno, Melenchon is the closest to my own place of poltical spectrum, but he is too much authoritarian for me...
europe
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She needed to be a lot harder both on Bernie and Trump. Watching the Macron debates I think if she was even half as vocal and passionate she'd have won. But then again she'd have had to deal with the sexism that would be hurled at her if she showed any human side. Sigh.
neoliberal
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Most people kicking up a stink about this aren't doing it because they would disregard a politician based on their gender. They're doing it because they believe that some of these women were hired simply because they're women. They believe that *Macron* is the one disregarding people based on gender.
worldnews
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It's not about not firing without X weeks of delay, its about the absolutely insane thing some people want to implement where employers do not need to provide a valid reason to fire someone. Macron hasn't gone that radical yet but many liberal parties actively defend this which is insane radicalism. Also nice joke about saving X weeks, like most jobs don't barely pay enough to make rent and basic expenses and then only because there is a minimum wage, which guess what, radical capitalists also want to get rid of.
europe
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I'll be the first to admit Macron is sexier than HRC. 30y younger helps.
neoliberal
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they weren't nearly as represented as FN or FI supporters whining about Macron
worldnews
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Here's [our expenditures by function](http://www.stat.si/StatWeb/en/show-news?id=5704&idp=1&headerbar=10). A large chunk of this is the horrible pension system, that's bound to collapse in the coming years (see [our age pyramid](http://www.stat.si/PopPiramida/eng/Piramida2.asp) to understand why), unless someone can form a government without the Pensioners party and enact a pension reform.
europe
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Can Papa Macron just invade the UK already and make us a vassal state? Also [this image](http://prntscr.com/fik650) gives me a warm fuzzy feeling
neoliberal
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Didn't Le Pen father and Zemour give compliments of Vichy and occupation?
europe
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No no no you mistake me completely. You can be smart and vote for Melenchon, you just can't have a basic understanding of economics
europe
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Pls, made this sticky mods :( Edit: I can't understand a thing, but i love this song about Poutou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSyFXXivPek
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[This is how I know almost all the people on this sub are like 19 or 20 and have absolutely no idea about politics, history, or in particular political history. Hollande did almost exactly the same thing 5 years ago (not quite as many seats, but about 300 including the Greens) and ended up with a 4% approval rating a few years later. When Macron actually carries out some neoliberal bullshit the same thing will happen to him. He's merely going on anti-establishment, fresh new face & party hype, and that won't last.](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/6gmszp/en_marche_to_win_between_390_and_430_seats_at_the/diromqd/?utm_content=permalink&utm_medium=front&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=neoliberal)
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Yeah man so much winning. Like the Muslim ban... Oh wait how about the AHCA... Well how about those tax cuts... Uh well at least Le Pen won... Shit.
neoliberal
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We don't call all right win politicians fascists. Le Pen is clearly a fascist. Not only did she support your definition in every public address she ever gave, but that isn't the only definition of fascism. Again, the fact that you expending this much energy defending a fascist proves exactly what ideology you are.
neoliberal
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Anyone good enough to Photoshop Ossof, Macron, and Trudeau into a boyband? Anyone got any funny memes for that context?
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Plus, Fillon collapsing in the first round. Obviously I preferred Macron, but if Fillon hadnt cratered I think Le Pen would be around last elections numbers.
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Le Pen is not a conservative opponent. It's a fascist opponent.
worldnews
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They're calling Macron a cuck for dating a woman who was married... Thats the thickest irony I have come across in a long time
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In fact, The only reason Hulot accepted is because he asked Macron to have total control over ecology and energy and he agreed. I hope we can start working on a greener future for generations to come.
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> guys Macron winning 65% of the vote doesn't mean anything but Corbyn losing by less than expected means the revolution is near
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I saw one speech Macron gave during the debate about why big business is better and more efficient than small business, i guess its just weird hearing the "left" candidate be the one pro big business, other than viewing transnational companies as part of being a europhile how did this happen?
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MAGA MAGA MAGA HAIL TRUMP HAIL PEPE HAIL LE PEN DADADADADADAADADADADADADADADDA
neoliberal
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Here is the correct data and I don't understand why you just spread false information... 18 to 24 years old : Macron 66% - Le Pen 34% 25 to 34 years old : Macron 60% - Le Pen 40% 35 to 49 years old : Macron 57% - Le Pen 43% 50 to 59 years old : Macron 64% - Le Pen 36% 60 to 69 years old : Macron 70% - Le Pen 30% 69 and above : Macron 78% - Le Pen 22%
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> Would explain why they didn't drop the Macron stuff before the first round, when it actually might have hurt him. The actual attack took place before then. It's also possible that they didn't find anything incriminating. What it would explain though, is why they leaked the information anyway.
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I know, I really liked the person and the program. And as far as we know, he was the only one from a major party without legal problems. To think that Fillon, who should be in jail if found guilty, made 19% when Hamon scored 6 makes me sad.
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the EU is not a country and doesn't have its own criminal court. Also, if they could prosecute Le Pen, the FN's mouth breathing angry mob, and Reddit's anti-EU retard army would start revolting, because 'the EU is locking up anyone that doesn't bow down to the evil EU!'.
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LePenn is actually left of centre in her economic policies. She's just a socialist with nationalist packaging and the rest of her party is the same. Fillon is as as conservative as Thatcher or Reagan on government spending but he's currently being pinned to the floor by a scandal. Also the UK hasn't even left the EU yet so we can't hold a bonfire of regulation for two years
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This isn't funny, she's going hard after Fillon's voters, it looks amateurish but that might be what they want from her : copying Fillon.
europe
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Stop, Macron - my panties can only get so wet
neoliberal
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does this flipflop have anything to do with Le Pen's?
europe
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The poll where they listed Ukrainians trying to get Russia blamed as a possible source for the Macron email hacks was even worse.
neoliberal
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Interesting point of view, I'm not sure if I agree that voting in a member of the elite again will solve France's problems, perhaps neither candidate would, but at least with Le Pen a signal is sent to the world that the French people will react in the proper way and at least try to make a change.
europe
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Explain to me why would Macron be disruptive? I thought he was the ultimate status quo guy? What are you suggesting?
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Plot twist : Le Pen is elected and US scientists end up getting shafted with baguette dildos at Marcel Dorcel.
europe
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France will probably be a no-lose for Putin because Le Pen's leading opponent Fillon is also a Russophile.
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But it shows a double standard by those opposed to Le Pen's policies. http://fortune.com/2014/06/20/should-should-christine-lagarde-be-eu-president/ Merkle and Hollande wanted convicted criminal and fraudster Lagarde to be head of the EU. So when the more conventional parties support a 400 million fraudster we don't see these concern trolls getting their panties in a bunch. It's only when Le Pen's party "allegedly" has two admin assistants do some work on local politics . . . or something. It's a smear campaign. Clearly politically motivated.
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I really do wonder what Le Pen and Putin think about this. For their base they must dislike Erdogan, but their agenda does seem to align more and more (with the exception of Syria).
europe
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I mean I think everyone, not just melenchonists, can get behind the idea that Valls sucks ass
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Not really, whole grains are still carbs and have a similar effect on insulin and blood sugar as simple carbohydrates in comparison to the other macronutrients. Not to mention they are more likely to contain higher gluten and other antinutrients that many have difficulty digesting.
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It's very unlikely Le Pen doesn't make round 2, but in a Fillon v Macron matchup, [Macron likely wins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017#Macron.E2.80.93Fillon)
europe
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Nothing wrong with wanting the best for our allies. It's fine for us Americans Le Pen will only get stronger and Macron can't do much damage as he has a new party with no votes. Le Pen 2022! I hope everyone stays safe in France and locks their doors until a strong leader gets elected!
europe
French politics
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What in the article indicated that Macron chose gender *over* skill? You don't think it's possible that in a country with over 66 million people they could nominate about 250 fully qualified women? Proportional representation is extremely important in a democratic society, and legislative bodies should absolutely reflect the demographics of the population that they create laws for. It's totally ridiculous to claim that because there is equal gender representation there must be a competence gap.
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THIS IS WHY LE PEN LOST, GAH WHY CANT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT OF BROW... uh I mean, ISLAMI SALAMI JIHADIS?!?!?
europe
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Authority
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Let's hope that he'll crush Le Pen. I only fear some (false-flag) terror attack.
worldnews
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Even though Fillon declared his support for Macron a worrying number of his supporters is going to vote for Le Pen. That's what happens with years of the Republicans drifting more and more to the right (and closer to FN's political positions).
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I could argue all day about how NASA isn't receiving proper funding from it's own country, how appointing a populist to office who also doesn't believe in climate change is a problem. If there is treasonous intent with Donald Trump, Marine Le Pen, Wilders, and other suspected officials across the West, Putin should go down in history as a raving lunatic for obstructing peace and unity in the world. I think we can all agree therefore, that a russian rocket doesn't matter at that moment, not if we're to expect dissarray from our world leaders.
worldnews
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If people are scared of islamic terrorism more people will vote for Le Pen who is basically French Donald Trump.
worldnews
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The Le Pen supporters were right - the polls would be off by a historic amount. Unfortunately for them, they were underestimating Macron.
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That's literally what this is about Macron wants to force companies to pay French wages to people working in France Poland says that's an unacceptable intervention in the free market and taking away the competitive advantage of Eastern European workers amounts to protectionism
europe
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Yes, we do. Which is how we are able look at people like Le Pen and Trump and correctly identify them as fascist. It's a pretty neat trick.
neoliberal
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Is good because you have all the major western powers cooperating, that alone is worth it. The original threat were the Soviets but tomorrow could be something else. But I guess there is the possibility the US simply can't afford it anymore and they are covering no less then the 70% of the whole operation, so the best solution would be to include more countries and redistribute the funds more fairly. The problem is Trump would need to embrace a united Europe rhetoric but if he keeps supporting crazy people like Le Pen so yeah.
geopolitics
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Sounds like a big relief, i am very worried about the anti-EU train so many are riding and thing that a europe with Van der Bellen as austrian president, Macron as french president and hopefully Schulz as german chancellor could reach so much more :)
europe
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> The fact he is thinking about the handshake that much would indicate otherwise tho. Au contraire, Macron will scrutinize Trumps motives.
worldnews
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It doesn't imply that. It implies they spoke to some younger Le Pen supporters to find out why they support her.
europe
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Thanks trust me I'm not your typical T_D user. I've been mostly supportive of Trump but critical of him as well (Syria Strike, Net Neutrality, and setting himself up for these stories that have been coming are a few examples). I tried Libertarian but they were full of Bernie Bros and supported Macron instead of Le Pen, so I'll give this place a try!
Conservative
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Yeah what Le Pen did was strictly illegal while Fillon did something theorically legal but highly immoral. She's not just suspected of that, it's been proven and she's being punished for it already
worldnews
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Then why bring up Catholics at all? It was whataboutism. You're making the best the enemy of the good. If what she does doesn't perfectly fix everything, she's faulty. It's quite clear you're arguing like a lawyer. And you don't need to sell me on how shitty Le Pen is. But it's not like stopping Muslim immigration is entirely about women's rights; it's about crime, terrorism, freedom of speech, violence against lgbt, fiscal problems, unemployment...there are host of reasons.
europe
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smh that's not far enough you literal fascist!!! Anyone who shares any attribute with anyone who has done anything bad is just as, *if not more*, responsible for that crime!! I will not be satisfied until every single muslim has apologised to me *personally*, **AND** they've written me 15k words of smutty trudeau/macron fanfiction
neoliberal
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Calling Estonians Balts is like calling Dutch Hollanders or Scots English. Well, not exactly, but the same kind of nonsense. "Popular geography".
europe
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>France had its own currency for 15 centuries, Le Pen said. I never understood this argument. As it can be applied to anything, humankind was fine without antibiotics, electricity and the internal combustion engine as well, and have lived far longer without those things than it has with them. So should we just throw them out?
europe
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what can you french people tell us about Macron. who is he? what are his views and what to expect of him ? thx
europe
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I still have zero hope for Europe after the Le Pen loss. They are a lost cause.
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> For conservatives, Macron is not a desirable option, but he's arguably the better of the two runoff options. Macron is literally the opposite of conservatism in every regard. Anti-free trade protectionism is classic, Roosevelt/Eisenhower conservatism.
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My feeling is that Macron's victory is actually a yes to EU more than anything else. People did not vote for him, they voted for EU because Macron was very much identified to pro-EU stance.
europe
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Macron recruited candidates from the non-political civil society, which means that it's sorta representative of the general population (in terms of gender, race, etc.)
neoliberal
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Agreed. The new French President Macron was even inviting scientists and tech companies to come to France where they'll be welcomed. And he said that on a Twitter video months before he was even elected.
worldnews
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Keep shaming neoliberal voters like this, this is the kind of attitude that led to Macron winning.
neoliberal
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Those survey numbers sre quite similar to Le Pen's share of the vote.
worldnews
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Remember when Hollande was outed as having a mistress, and everyone got mad at the journalist for prying?
neoliberal
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Socialist party won 280 seats last election. That same socialist party had a lot of factions who blocked a lot of Hollande's reforms. > When Macron actually carries out some neoliberal bullshit the same thing will happen to him. Holland ran as far-left candidate. He pivoted to the center after when he realized his utopic policies weren't possible, but didn't have a mandate to govern as center-left since the hard-left of the party rebelled and the right-wing opposition hated him too.
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I will upvote any post that has a picture of Justin Trudeau and/or Emanuel Macron in it. If you get both of them *and* Macron's wife in it, I'll upvote twice.
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Is really nobody going to point out the fact that Le Pen wants to push for France to get out of EU, NATO being "pointless" to her, and the fact that she's deliberately and publicly collaborating with Putin during this entire election? Did I miss a meeting?
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I didn't really follow the French election nor have I told anyone to vote or not for any candidate. I get what you are saying, but my purpose wasn't to explain why Macron is or isn't a good choice or why the French should care--it was simply to explain why Americans do care.
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What is terrible about Macron? I am genuinely curious as I am not well versed enough.
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Because a far left socialist who finished in fourth place in the 1st round would have gotten 100% of the vote according to the Melenchonbros.
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