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Give it a couple of years and some labor market reforms and a third of those who voted for Macron will be protesting his policies. French politics never change.
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LARGEST POLLING ERROR IN FRENCH HISTORY IN FAVOR OF MACRON
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The right (LR) are not in limbo. 20% in the 1st round with Fillon was a good result. They can still win the législatives.
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macro wants to import people who support the death penalty for homosexuality, le pen just wants to ban same sex marriage.
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but doesnt he realize that the only people who voted for le Pen are Russian spies who have taken over every democracy?!
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> Except when it comes to things like expenses - all MEPs have agreed they can have £120,000 in expenses and not have to explain where the money is spent. Yet it must be spent on EU-related work. The Front National (Le Pen's party in France) is suspected to have used the money allocated to their MEPs for assistants to work on national issues. They currently are under procedures to lift their parliamentary immunity to be prosecuted with those charges.
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It does worry me a bit. But you've got to be realistic: this guy did not even have a party 1 year ago. For years (and I'm not that young), we had a traditional clash between left and right and Macron's plans are disrupting a pre-existing logic. Typically, he's the first one claiming clearly being a big supporter of the EU project. People have to get used to the new French political system. It will take some time but there is an opportunity here.
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So, Le Pen, Macron, Fillon, Hamon and Mélenchon all in one room. I have heard that Mélenchon is a very good debator, but I don't know about the other four.
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From videos and articles I have watched for people who vote for Le Pen say that it is due to immigration, this is what i am basing my argument on. I agree, blaming immigration is the easy way. Sure, if everybody was well off i'm sure they would not be blaming the immigrants. However, some people blame immigration for the increase in terrorist attacks in France, that you cannot blame on income inequality.
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Dont forget 'this is why macron won' and 'what's your model'
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Macron: and now to prove to the people that I am indeed a human engaging in normal human behavior (in French)
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I love how the ignorant American right wingers think this is good for Le Pen
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Sure! But I don't consider them right wing populists as they are nothing like Le Pen and the like. Neoliberal (or centrist) populists is the good term.
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You do realise Muslims don't just sit there and decide "I'm gonna get radicalised today" and precede to type in IS' homepage. Nefarious is most certainly not debatable. There's very few politicians of any background as prominent as Le Pen who aren't nefarious, Machiavellian bastards. You're childish to think otherwise.
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Was Macron called a communist KGB agent with nazi parents who is an acting member of the free masons? I dont think anyone will beat Hofer v VdB in pure absurdity of allegations any time soon. Well other than south korea where the allegations turned out to be true....
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>Like Clinton or Macron want to sell their country to the elite by promoting "diversity" ? What does that even mean?
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You don't understand the French election system. There will be two parts of it, one round to eliminate all but two candidates and then a second round to determine the winner of the last two. The last two are right now looking like Macron and Le Pen, and when it's only between the two of them he is in the lead by 60-40. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017
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Hollande destroyed the left. A Fillon win would have put the Socialist in the opposition of the least popular French head of state since Louis XVI, and they would have been back five years later.
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Macron must ride the wave of uncertainty and show the French people and the world that the centre is the way forward.
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Nazis aren't coming, but the political environment is becoming comfortable for people with nationalistic views and racial ideals. Le Pen may not be a Nazi, but she is a populist that thrives on manipulating the masses by promising an impossible ideal and marginalizing groups based on their ethnic and cultural background. You don't need history to know how destructive far right populism can be. Also, brother Ray, you are a patronizing twat.
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Idk, maybe. I'm inclined to give Trump the credit. It seems totally in his character to do a dumb thing to tick off Macron/Merkel after he saw they didn't buy him a cool orb, not understanding the deadly importance of article 5.
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>people who can't accept that they lost? Excuse me, I think you dropped your projection. Since Macron won.
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I wanted Macron to win because he is just a little bit more Libertarian than Le Pen, but come on, calling Le Pen a fascist is just downright propaganda.
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> Should we ignore Macron's dodgy finances because russians? Perhaps research better before making a fool out of yourself
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hey France doesn't Melenchon really admire Venezuela?? Doesn't look so great there....
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Man, you really fucking hate Muslims. It's always good to know who you are talking to. And this user here is a huge islamaphobe. His comment history is downright nasty towards an entire culture. So take everything this person says with a grain of salt. This person wants Le Pen because she suits his viewpoints that Muslims are evil. This isn't exactly the voice of reason right here.
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Le Pen isn't winning. Also, frankly I don't get it. You guys have way more in common with conservative Muslims than you do liberal Americans or Europeans. So why do you guys hate them so much?
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Classic KGB disinformation is 90% real, 10% fake. Which is also what Macron campaigns said.
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I'm quite certain .52(Melon)+.76(Hamon)+.99(Macron)+.47(Fillon)+.04(MLP)-.12(Melon)-.03(Hamon)-.01(Macron)-.23(Fillon)-.94(MLP) is the proper equation to find the hypothetical margin in vote count between Macron and Le Pen in Round 2.
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Fillon has not the meme potential of Trump but he's getting there.
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Yesterday, the top story in multiple subs was how Macron was cutting off access to RT because they were publishing biased, inaccurate, badly sourced news. Everyone was praising Macron for it. When Trump hints of anything similar in response to hit pieces, there it tremendous outrage, even amongst conservatives. In the last year and a half, the mainstream media has proved itself to be dishonest, malicious garbage. It is time conservatives realized that giving garbage access is not the defense of any great principle. And that garbage needs to be discarded and not given a helping hand.
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I think this article is trying way too hard to fit everything in a narrow narrative. The VVD in the Netherlands moved to the right during the campaign. Macrons success has very little to do with Trump and a Le Pen win was always very unlikely. The UK has to deal with Brexit and this incredibly strong and stable PM. Merkel's deal with Erdogan stopped the refugee crisis and the AFD destroyed itself. There are many reasons and narrowing it down to Trump is probably wrong.
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but he's...not, and macron is expected to govern like him. plus labor reforms *spooge* and leftists hate him *double spooge*
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>I said voting for Le pen is not the most pro-democratic move Voting isn't pro-democracy. Voting. Isn't. Pro-democracy. Do you people realize that democracy doesn't just mean whatever you want it to mean? >The overwhelming implication of this election is Le Pen, anti-EU, the secession of France from which would upend the western democratic order, and Macron, who is obviously very pro-EU, which is the greatest contribution to European democracy and peace in world history. This is arrogant to a ludicrous degree.
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Tens of thousands of accounts were suspended or banned to try and tilt the election against Le Pen. You are just being willfully ignorant.
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Never, En Marche will get a majority and Macron will be King of France for 5 years.
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I'd love Macron v. Fillon because then I'd just be so much less worried. It'd be "Great" v. "Eeh, ok". With anyone else against Macron it's "Great" v. "Holy shit pls no". Also I keep getting Brexit and Trumo flashbacks.
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It means, that Le Pen's solution does nothing. It means that we should find out why so many self radicalized. I don't understand why people can keep on going on about how it's the immigrants committing terrorist attacks, when it's mainly their kids.
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Pro marriage equality, promised to fight every populist and wants to improve the EU. Economically domestic they are not much different. Merkel is meh and I don't like social conservatives. He and Macron would make EU great. Schulz supported Macron, while Merkel supported Fillon.
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You would be surprised by the amount of french people who think we brought civilization to algeria and that the ingrateful bastards kick us out and now can't keep their country running without our enlightened administration. I would say a good 20% of the population think that, which is not shocking when you consider how much le pen is polling. It is the kind of stuff that makes it hard to like your fellow countrymen.
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Macron already torched his presidency with the email leaks, which show what a corrupt and morally obtuse person he is. Terrorism will likely continue, and perhaps blossom even more, under his spineless position on terrorism. France wasn't prepared for Marine le Pen this time, but believe me, after a while under the tenure of Macron (I mean Merkel), they will be the next go 'round.
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Yes, right now the polish company pays polish wages. With Macrons concept they would have to pay French union wages. So the polish companies would not be able to compete by price dumping. Both would offer a bid of ~30M. That for a French company can build it, pay taxes in France and French workers get jobs. Thats the idea. - But the idea is a local solution for France. The only sustainable concept for the EU is raising wages in eastern Europe per se.
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Yeah, but there will be legal ramifications for Macron's insider trading. It just won't happen immediately.
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Le Pen has already had attacks on her life. If she did win I wouldn't expect these to go down. If you think what radical Islam does to innocent people, heck even other Muslims, Imagine what they do to people who are opposed to Islam.
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French here: You are totally right. I may not agree with several policies and ideas of Macron but at least he's a democratic candidate and not a homophobic, racist, anti-europe nutjob who used fake news in his campaign. So, I may not be entirely happy of doing so, but I still voted for him because I know Le pen in power would be catastrophic for France and for Europe.
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Much like Bill, Macron, Merkel, Trudaeu, and Obama: much too short a term.
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I believe that the solution is to cooperate and relate to the good muslims, of which the vast majority are. I don't just mean governments, but ordinary people also. Then with less hate against muslims, fewer people will join isis and do acts of terrorism. However, with polititions like Farage, Trump and Le Pen, as well as many as many anonymous people on the internet, the hate looks like it will continue for a long time
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I don't disagree with any of that, but that doesn't make people like Le Pen somehow better. If there needs to be improvement to immigration and security, it needs to be implemented by rational adults, not far-right nuts.
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re: first thing, to clarify, you're saying that having collective bargaining work this way would mean more strikes in general, or that pushing this plan through will lead to strikes? And yeah, this is definitely one of those things that I'd expect plays poorly with people who don't trust Macron. imho all the more reason to get it through and hopefully reap benefits from it to demonstrate that it'd work, but he needs to take care to do this right pls tell me more of ur french opinions tho
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It's sad that I'm rooting for someone mocking our president, but good for Macron!
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Macron said earlier that En Marche would be feilding a candidate for every seat, IIRC. Do we know any information on who he is drawing on to run?
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LePen has done plenty of worse things than both Fillon and Macron, but just like with Trump, her core audience is not affected by them. In my opinion this just shows the kind of people who vote for her. :S Muh economic anxiety.
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Yeah, this is much less stressful. I get the feeling we are going to see a lot of trolls and fake news going hard at Macron for the next couple weeks though.
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Meaning that if you're so worried about the rise of "extremist" parties and you want that trend to reverse, the so called "moderate" parties and their constituents should be more willing to confront the real issue of Islamic jihadists terrorism, rather than dismissing the problem and labeling anyone who dares to acknowledge it. Terrorism is on the rise for a reason and French people who support Le Pen are on the rise for a reason. It's really the same reason.
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Melenchon vs MLP would have been nightmare. Communist vs Fascist? Shit I barely know who I want to win. I mean I'd vote for the communist but barely.
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If these had been put out a week earlier then media could have freely spread them, discussed them and both candidates could have been interviewed about this. Unfortunately for the foreign agents, this would have meant that Macron could have defended himself and reporters could have revealed that the emails have been doctored. By releasing this info "too late" the only people spreading it are random folks on social media and conspiracy sites. Which is better for these Alt-right agents as people are less likely to find out how much of this is fake until after the elections.
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This is part of the widespread perception that all our politicians are corrupt, they're all *de la merde*. It's cute when it leads people to call for Obama. It's not cute when it leads people to call for Le Pen. It's all equally idiotic. Politicians try to cater to a majority, not to you personally. Don't wait for a candidate who seems "perfect" (because you've never looked at the details) or who promises "change at any cost" (because you don't realize change could be for the worse). So, pick whoever is least bad. That's how democracy works.
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No. Otherwise I would be supporting him. Melancommie is objectively worse Edit: Great economic policy and being a shitty nationalist >>>>>>>>>> Pants on head ridiculous economic policy and being best mates with Cuba + being just as reactionary + anti-semitic "The well-known left figure, presidential candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon, maintains a strongly republican, nationalist position. In 2011, he went so far as to call for a prohibition on street prayers." "Jean-Luc Melenchon, the leader of the French Party of the Left, has said that Socialist Finance Minister Pierre Moscovici, who is Jewish, “thought in international finances, not in French." " http://www.lemondejuif.info/2014/08/gaza-violentes-accusations-de-melenchon-contre-israel-et-les-juifs-de-france/
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I meant no Le Pen as president. But feel free to feed your persecution complex.
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I don't agree that he's a lunatic, but yeah, no need to treat him nicely. He's the leader of the biggest superpower in the world. You don't treat someone like that with kid gloves. He needs to be stood up to, or he'll take advantage of you in favor of American interests. That's his attitude regarding America First. He doesn't care about any other country, and they need to be firm to get him to do things for them. I actually respect Macron right now for the way he handled Trump.
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>Marine Le Pen, a new FN member from Pas-de-Calais, said Wednesday he was "totally against" the abolition of parliamentary immunity in the name of separation of powers git gud google
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Thank you for providing additional details. I completely agree with everything you said. My definition of conservatism was not faulty, it is the same as yours but I simply did not specify that, indeed, in the US, conservatism is Hayek's liberalism. Which does mean that neither Trump nor Le Pen follow a conservative ideology.
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IF YOU ELECT MACRON YOU WILL HAVE KEBAB TRUCKS ON EVERY CORNER Wait, we can?!
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Have French friends who are going to vote this election. They told me that Le Pen supporters in their office (who are somewhat overrepresented in that office for some reason) were absolutely distraught with the performance of Le Pen.
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Stopping the national front is out of Macron's league... it will take multiple sensible mandates to "cure" France.
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Le Pen will probably lose. But I dunno if Macron can lead. He'll probably end up like Hollande. Just my opinion.
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Marine Le Pen might be the most supervillain sounding name I've ever heard.
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You mean Le Pen the dynastic politician, one of the few in France with unsavory ties to Vichy and who opposed De Gaulle.
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I support Macron but he was terrible in the debate. I think keeping this as the main sentence of the debate is pure propaganda.
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Just wait for Marine le Pen to win. That'll be Brexit x 1,000,000.
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And I love how far-righters seem to only care about the LGBT community when it comes to Muslims. That and nowhere in the article does it say that the majority of gay French men are voting for Le Pen.
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>I read some mean words about Trump and LE Penn on reddit and let me tell you about how the world works
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Because some people might consider it to be a con, if they are already anti-Macron. Same as how Le Pen supporters don't care if her dad was maybe a nazi, but sane people are like "that's a no-no"
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If you want morons like Le Pen in power then ignoring them and calling their grievances false/racist is the way to do it. Her party has doubled it's vote share in two elections and you saw what happened in the USA. With the same amount of vote growth next election she'll be the one in power.
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I hadn't, thanks for reminding me, and thank Mr. Macron
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Nope i'd prefer him to all the other candidates. Hamon, Macron are all to left wing to me, and Le Pen way to much to the right so it's the perfect compromise to me.
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Well, Macron wants tax harmonisation, so that would conflict with his ideals.
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Seems kinda like French politics under Macron is moving to be more like Germany's under Merkel. That is a coalition government of the centre-right and centre-left and marginalizing the extremists.
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> If Macron fucks up, and he will, she or her party will win. Or Mélenchon ;-)
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He's been the Economy minister under Hollande. \> implying the death penalty is still allowed My muslim neighbours gave me some leftovers the other day, do you think they poisoned me? The climate deal was real, there's footage of it. https://en-marche.fr/article/politique-de-lutte-contre-le-terrorisme-emmanuel-macron What are your journalistic standards?
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They would have praised her if she flipped the table and attacked Macron; T_D is a propoganda machine made to enforce the idea that conservatives are a united front and promote reTrumplican "right think."
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The globalist elite are doing everything in their power to prevent an uprise of nationalism. Don't be fooled even if you don't like Le Pen
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Yes, you're right. People have to give positive reasons for voting for Macron. Attacking Le Pen is not how to get another person elected.
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The Ministry's page is updating quicker now. You can see that Macron is closing the gap with MLP, currently higher than him, at 69% of the votes counted.
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How is Macron a corrupt candidate? Serious question, I did some googling but I didn't find anything. Considering that Le Pen / Mélenchon are interventionists and want to increase the power of the (their) political elite, I don't see how that will help to reduce corruption.
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Suddenly so many people dont trust the poll. When the narrative isnt serving macron you people are just in denial. You guys think she does 26% by operation of the holy spirit ?
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If the title would be true and le pen could bring down Europe. Europe isn't worth saving at all.
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Very hopeful, the right has so far attacked Macron's choices as inexperienced lefties while the left has attacked Macron for the establishment choices he has decided to keep. The centre is a tough stance to be in during this age of political extremes and I wish them to succeed.
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I knew what you meant though, and I was just messing with you. However, I'd rather Le Pen didn't win.
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Yeah, you don't understand anything about economics. Melenchon openly admires Chavez, the guy responsible for the Venezuelan shitshow of an economy.
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What experience? Experience in treading water? She has exactly as much insider knowledge about governing as Macron. People will just have to learn that elections are not a wishing well that you just have to dictate your wishes to. Elections are about picking the policies that make the best possible compromise between their wishes and reality.
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There is no actual reason to think Macron will "import" radical muslims. But you are welcome to provide credible sources on such.
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"If the second round is indeed a race between Macron and Le Pen, as the first results suggest, Macron is widely tipped to take the French presidency."
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Because Gloablism has been shoved down the throats of citizens of the world for so long and they are sick of it. > You must also consider that pro immigration ideals aren't globalist. Homogenizing society and effectively destroying national identity is the definition of globalism because it creates a nation-less global society. Your statement is blatantly incorrect. >Imo, trump and Le Pen people aren't anti globalist, they are simply nationalist Those ideologies literally contradict one another. No offense dude but you aren't very smart, which is why it seems you can't provide reasons for your assertions. Do some research.
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Depends on your values. Are you a Trump supporter? If so, you probably want Le Pen to win. Otherwise, you'll want Macron to win.
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You are confusing Macron and Trudeau. Macron is French and Trudeau is Canadian.
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They were basically a one issue support group. Anti forced refugee Muslim integration basically was the whole reason Trump supporters were against macron. I do not disagree on that stance but the rest I know nothing about.
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authoritarian rule by a far-right demagogue whose support is built on the fear and hatred of specific groups of people, no? sounds like Le Pen to me. oh and don't forget the Vichy apologism
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Kudos to the british intelligence services first of all. The two islamist scums were expected to try to assassinate the conservative candidate, François Fillon.
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Which Macron doesnt intend to change (aslong as "terror threat persists"). So if that qualifies as closed borders, no one is going to open them.
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