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ูˆ ู„ูŠุณ ุนู„ูŠ .
And that's not me.
ุฃู†ุง ู…ู‡ุชู… ุจุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง .
I care about the technology.
ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู†ุงุณ ู…ู‡ุชู…ูŠู† ุจุงู„ูˆุงุฌู‡ุฉ .
There are people who care about the UI.
ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ูˆุงุฌู‡ุฉ ู„ุฅู†ู‚ุงุฐ ุญูŠุงุชูŠ .
I can't do UI to save my life.
ุฃุนู†ูŠ ุŒ ุฃุฐุง ุชู‚ุทุนุช ููŠ ุงู„ุณุจู„ ุจุฌุฒูŠุฑุฉ ูˆุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ูˆุญูŠุฏุฉ ู„ู„ุฎุฑูˆุฌ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌุฒูŠุฑุฉ ูƒุงู†ุช ุฃู† ุฃุนู…ู„ ูˆุงุฌู‡ุฉ ุฌู…ูŠู„ุฉ ุŒ ุณุฃู…ูˆุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒ
I mean, if I was stranded on an island and the only way to get off that island was the make a pretty UI, I'd die there.
ู„ุฐุง ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃู†ูˆุงุน ุนุฏูŠุฏุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุŒ ูˆ ุฃู†ุง ู„ุง ุฃุนุทูŠ ุฃุนุฐุงุฑ ุŒ ุงู†ุง ูู‚ุท ุฃุดุฑุญ .
So there's different kinds of people, and I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to explain.
ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†: ุงู„ุขู†ุŒุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุญุฏุซู†ุง ุงู„ุงุณุจูˆุน ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠ ุŒ ุชุญุฏุซุช ู„ูŠ ุนู† ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุตูุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู…ู„ูƒู‡ุง ุŒ ูˆ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูˆุฌุฏุชู‡ุง ู…ุซูŠุฑ ู„ู„ุฅุนุฌุงุจ .
CA: Now, when we talked last week, you talked about some other trait that you have, which I found really interesting.
ู…ู†ู‡ุง ููƒุฑุฉ ุชุฏุนู‰ ุงู„ุชุฐูˆู‚ .
It's this idea called taste.
ู„ู‚ุฏ ุญุตู„ุช ูู‚ุท ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุฉ ู…ู† ุงู„ุตูˆุฑ ู‡ู†ุง .
And I've just got a couple of images here.
ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุซุงู„ ู„ูŠุณ ุฌูŠุฏ ุงู„ุชุฐูˆู‚ ููŠ ุงู„ุจุฑู…ุฌุฉ ุŒ ูˆ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุฃูุถู„ ููŠ ุงู„ุชุฐูˆู‚ ุŒ ุฃูŠุชู‡ุง ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ู…ุดุงู‡ุฏุชู‡ุง ุญุงู„ุงูŽ .
I think this is an example of not particularly good taste in code, and this one is better taste, which one can immediately see.
ู…ุง ุงู„ูุฑู‚ ุจูŠู† ู‡ุงุชูŠู† ุงู„ุงุซู†ุชูŠู† ุŸ
What is the difference between these two?
ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ: ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ... ูƒู… ุนุฏุฏ ุงู„ุฃุดุฎุงุต ู‡ู†ุง ุงู„ู„ุฐูŠู† ุจุฑู…ุฌูˆุง ูุนู„ูŠุงูŽ ุŸ
LT: So this is -- How many people here actually have coded?
ูƒุฑูŠุณ ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู† : ูŠุง ุฅู„ู‡ูŠ ! .
CA: Oh my goodness.
ู„ูŠู†ูˆุณ ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ: ู„ุฐุง ุฃู†ุง ุฃุถู…ู† ู„ูƒู… ุŒ ูƒู„ ุดุฎุต ุฑูุน ูŠุฏู‡ ุŒ ุฃุชู…ู… ุงู„ู‚ุงุฆู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅุญุงุฏูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฑุชุจุทุฉ .
LT: So I guarantee you, everybody who raised their hand, they have done what's called a singly-linked list.
ูˆู‡ูŠ ุชุนู„ู… ... ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุตูˆุฑุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ู„ูŠุณุช ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ุจู†ู‡ุฌ ุงู„ุชุฐูˆู‚ ุŒ ูˆ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุณุงุณุงูŽ ูƒูŠู ุชู… ุชุฏุฑูŠุณู‡ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุจุฏุฃุช ุจุงู„ุจุฑู…ุฌุฉ .
And it's taught -- This, the first not very good taste approach, is basically how it's taught to be done when you start out coding.
ูˆู„ุง ูŠุชูˆุฌุจ ุนู„ูŠูƒ ุฃู† ุชูู‡ู… ุงู„ุจุฑู…ุฌุฉ .
And you don't have to understand the code.
ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ุงู„ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุฅุซุงุฑุฉ ู„ู„ุงู‡ุชู…ุงู… ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ุชุนู„ูŠู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฃุฎูŠุฑุฉ .
The most interesting part to me is the last if statement.
ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ู…ุง ุญุฏุซ ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ุงุฆู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฅุญุงุฏูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฑุชุจุทุฉ ู‡ุฐู‡ ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุฅุฒุงู„ุฉ ู…ุฏุฎู„ ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ุงุฆู…ุฉ .. ูˆ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูุฑู‚ ุจูŠู† ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ุงู„ู…ุฏุฎู„ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ ูˆ ููŠู…ุง ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ู…ุฏุฎู„ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู†ุชุตู .
Because what happens in a singly-linked list -- this is trying to remove an existing entry from a list -- and there's a difference between if it's the first entry or whether it's an entry in the middle.
ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ุงู„ู…ุฏุฎู„ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ ุŒ ูŠุฌุจ ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ุงู„ู…ุคุดุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุฏุฎู„ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„
Because if it's the first entry, you have to change the pointer to the first entry.
ูˆุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ููŠ ุงู„ู…ู†ุชุตู ุŒ ูŠุฌุจ ุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ุงู„ู…ุคุดุฑ ู„ู„ู…ุฏุฎู„ ุงู„ุณุงุจู‚ .
If it's in the middle, you have to change the pointer of a previous entry.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ู… ุญุงู„ุชูŠู† ู…ุฎุชู„ูุชูŠู† ุชู…ุงู…ุงูŽ .
So they're two completely different cases.
ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†: ูˆ ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃูุถู„.
CA: And that's better.
ู„ูŠู†ูˆุณ ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ: ูˆ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุฃูุถู„ .
LT: And this is better.
ู„ูŠุณ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุชุนู„ูŠู…ุฉ .
It does not have the if statement.
ูˆู‡ูŠ ู„ุง ุชู‡ู… ูุนู„ูŠุงูŽ ู„ุง ุฃุฑูŠุฏูƒ ูู‡ู… ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ู„ุง ุชู…ู„ูƒ ุชุนู„ูŠู…ุฉ ุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู† ู…ุง ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ูู‡ู…ู‡ ุฃู†ู‡ ุฃุญูŠุงู†ุงูŽ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุฑู‰ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ . ูˆ ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ูƒุชุงุจุชู‡ุง ุจุญูŠุซ ุงู„ุญุงู„ุฉ ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ุชุฐู‡ุจ ุจุนูŠุฏุงูŽ ูˆ ุชุตุจุญ ุงู„ุญุงู„ุฉ ุงู„ุนุงุฏูŠุฉ ุงู„ุทุจูŠุนูŠุฉ .
And it doesn't really matter -- I don't want you understand why it doesn't have the if statement, but I want you to understand that sometimes you can see a problem in a different way and rewrite it so that a special case goes away and becomes the normal case.
ูˆ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุฌู…ูŠู„ุฉ ุจุงู„ุจุฑู…ุฌุฉ .
And that's good code.
ูˆ ู„ูƒู†ู‡ุง ุจุฑู…ุฌุฉ ุจุณูŠุทุฉ .
But this is simple code.
ู‡ุฐู‡ CS101 .
This is CS 101.
ู‡ูŠ ู„ูŠุณุช ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ุจุงู„ุฑุบู… ุŒ ุทุจุนุงูŽ ุงู„ุชูุงุตูŠู„ ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ .
This is not important -- although, details are important.
ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠ ุŒ ู†ูˆุนูŠุฉ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ูุนู„ูŠุงูŽ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ู…ุนู‡ู… ุงู„ู†ูˆุนูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู†ู…ู„ูƒ ู…ูŠุฒุฉ ุงู„ุชุฐูˆู‚ ุŒ ูˆ ุงู„ุชูŠ
To me, the sign of people I really want to work with is that they have good taste, which is how ...
ู„ู‚ุฏ ุฃุฑุณู„ุช ู„ูƒ ู…ุซุงู„ ุบุจูŠ ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู„ุง ูŠู…ุช ุจุตู„ุฉ ู„ุงู†ู‡ ู…ุซุงู„ ุจุณูŠุท .
I sent you this stupid example that is not relevant because it's too small.
ุงู„ุชุฐูˆู‚ ุงู„ุฌูŠุฏ ุฃูƒุจุฑ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุง ุจูƒุซูŠุฑ.
Good taste is much bigger than this.
ุงู„ุชุฐูˆู‚ ุงู„ุฌูŠุฏ ู‡ูˆ ุฑุคูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฃู†ู…ุงุท ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ูุนู„ูŠุงูŽ ูˆ ู†ูˆุน ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ุงู„ุบุฑูŠุฒูŠุฉ ู„ู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญุฉ ู„ุฅุชู…ุงู… ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ .
Good taste is about really seeing the big patterns and kind of instinctively knowing what's the right way to do things.
ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู† : ุญุณู†ุงูŽ ุŒ ุงู„ุฃู† ู†ุฑูŠุฏ ุฑุจุท ุงู„ู…ุนุทูŠุงุช ู…ุน ุจุนุถู‡ุง .
CA: OK, so we're putting the pieces together here now.
ู„ุฏูŠูƒ ู…ูŠุฒุฉ ุงู„ุชุฐูˆู‚ ุงู„ุจุฑู…ุฌูŠ ุŒ ุจุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ู…ุง ุฐุงุช ู…ุนู†ู‰ ู„ู„ู…ุจุฑู…ุฌูŠู†.
You have taste, in a way that's meaningful to software people.
ุฃู†ุช .. ู„ูŠู†ูˆุณ ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ : ุฃุธู† ุฃู†ู‡ ูƒุงู† ุฐูˆ ู…ุนู†ู‰ ู„ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ู‡ู†ุง .
You're -- LT: I think it was meaningful to some people here.
ูƒุฑูŠุณ ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู† : ุฃู†ุช ู…ุจุฑู…ุฌ ุญุงุณูˆุจูŠ ุฐูƒูŠ ุฌุฏุงูŽ ุŒ ูˆ ุนู†ูŠุฏ ุจุดูƒู„ ุฌู‡ู†ู…ูŠ.
CA: You're a very smart computer coder, and you're hellish stubborn.
ูˆ ู„ูƒู† ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุดูŠุก ุขุฎุฑ
But there must be something else.
ุฃุนู†ูŠ ุŒ ู„ู‚ุฏ ุบูŠุฑุช ุงู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ .
I mean, you've changed the future.
ูˆ ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ ู‚ุงุฏุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุฅุณุชู†ุจุงุท ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุฑุคู‰ ุงู„ุนุธูŠู…ุฉ ู„ู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ .
You must have the ability of these grand visions of the future.
ุฃู†ุช ู‚ุงุฑุฆ ู„ู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ ุตุญูŠุญ ุŸ
You're a visionary, right?
ู„ูŠู†ูˆุณ ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ : ู„ู‚ุฏ ุดุนุฑุช ุจุนุฏู… ุงู„ุฑุงุญุฉ ู†ูˆุนุงูŽ ู…ุง ููŠ TED ุจุงู„ูŠูˆู…ูŠู† ุงู„ุขุฎูŠุฑูŠู† ุŒ ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฑุคู‰ ุงู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ูŠุฉุŒ ุฃู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒ ุŸ
LT: I've actually felt slightly uncomfortable at TED for the last two days, because there's a lot of vision going on, right?
ูˆ ุฃู†ุง ู„ุณุช ุจุงู„ู‚ุงุฑุฆ ู„ู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ .
And I am not a visionary.
ู„ูŠุณ ู„ุฏูŠ ุฎุทุฉ ู„ู„ุฎู…ุณ ุฃุนูˆุงู… ุงู„ู‚ุงุฏู…ุฉ .
I do not have a five-year plan.
ุฃู†ุง ู…ู‡ู†ุฏุณ .
I'm an engineer.
ูˆ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ูุนู„ุงูŽ . ุฃุนู†ูŠ ุฃู†ูŠ ุณุนูŠุฏ ูุนู„ุงูŽ ู…ุน ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุชุฌูˆู„ูˆู† ูˆ ูŠุญุฏู‚ูˆู† ุจุงู„ุบูŠูˆู… ูˆ ูŠู†ุธุฑูˆู† ู„ู„ู†ุฌู…ุงุช ูˆ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ูˆู† " ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฐู‡ุงุจ ุงู„ู‰ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ " .
And I think it's really -- I mean -- I'm perfectly happy with all the people who are walking around and just staring at the clouds and looking at the stars and saying, "I want to go there."
ูˆู„ูƒู†ูŠ ุฃู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถุŒ ูˆ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฅุตู„ุงุญ ุงู„ุญูุฑุฉ ุงู„ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏุฉ ุฃู…ุงู…ูŠ ู‚ุจู„ ุงู† ุฃุณู‚ุท ููŠู‡ุง .
But I'm looking at the ground, and I want to fix the pothole that's right in front of me before I fall in.
ูˆู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุดุฎุตูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ูˆุฌูˆุฏุฉ ุนู†ุฏูŠ .
This is the kind of person I am.
ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู† : ู„ู‚ุฏ ุชุญุฏุซุช ู…ุนูŠ ุงู„ุฅุณุจูˆุน ุงู„ู…ุงุถูŠ ุญูˆู„ ู‡ุฐูŠู† ุงู„ุฑุฌู„ูŠู† .
CA: So you spoke to me last week about these two guys.
ู…ู† ู‡ุคู„ุงุก ูˆ ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุนู„ุงู‚ุชูƒ ุจู‡ู… ุŸ
Who are they and how do you relate to them?
ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ: ุญุณู†ุงูŽ ุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุฃุนู„ุงู… ุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ุŒ ูƒู„ ุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ุŒ ุชุณู„ุง ู…ู‚ุงุจู„ ุฅุฏูŠุณูˆู† ุŒ ุญูŠุซ ูŠู†ุธุฑ ู„ุชูŠุณู„ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฃู†ู‡ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุงู„ู…ุซุงู„ูŠ ูˆ ุงู„ุฑุฌู„ ุจุงู„ููƒุฑุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฌู†ูˆู†ุฉ .
LT: Well, so this is kind of clichรฉ in technology, the whole Tesla versus Edison, where Tesla is seen as the visionary scientist and crazy idea man.
ูˆ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุชุญุจ ุชูŠุณู„ุง .
And people love Tesla.
ุฃุนู†ูŠ ุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู†ุงุณ ุณู…ุช ุดุฑูƒุงุชู‡ุง ุจุฃุณู…ู‡ ุจุนุฏ ูˆูุงุชู‡ .
I mean, there are people who name their companies after him.
ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ู‡ูˆ ุฅุฏูŠุณูˆู† ุŒ ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠูุฐู… ุฃุบู„ุจ ุงู„ุฃุญูŠุงู† ู„ูƒูˆู†ู‡ ูŠูุชู‚ุฑ ู„ู„ุฅู„ู‡ุงู… ูˆ ู‡ูˆ ุฃุนู†ูŠุŒ ู…ู‚ูˆู„ุชู‡ ุงู„ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุดู‡ุฑุฉ ู‡ูŠ ุŒ " ุงู„ุนุจู‚ุฑูŠุฉ ู‡ูŠ" ูˆุงุญุฏ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฆุฉ ุฅู„ู‡ุงู… ูˆ 99 ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุงุฆุฉ ุชุนุจ ูˆ ุนุฑู‚".
The other person there is Edison, who is actually often vilified for being kind of pedestrian and is -- I mean, his most famous quote is, "Genius is one percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration."
ูˆ ุฃู†ุง ููŠ ู…ุนุณูƒุฑ ุฃุฏูŠุณูˆู† . ุญุชู‰ ู„ูˆ ู„ู… ูŠุนุฌุจ ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุฏุงุฆู…ุงูŽ .
And I'm in the Edison camp, even if people don't always like him.
ู„ุฃู† ุฅุฐุง ู‚ุงุฑู†ุช ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุฅุซู†ูŠู† ุŒ ุชูŠุณู„ุง ูŠู…ู„ูƒ ุงู„ุนู‚ู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงุฑุจุฉ ู„ุฃูŠุงู…ู†ุง ู‡ุฐู‡ ุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู† ู…ู† ุบูŠุฑ ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ูุนู„ูŠุงูŽ ุŸ
Because if you actually compare the two, Tesla has kind of this mind grab these days, but who actually changed the world?
ุฅุฏูŠุณูˆู† ู‚ุฏ ู„ุง ูŠูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ู„ุทูŠู ุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‡ ุนู…ู„ ุฃุดูŠุงุก ูƒุซูŠุฑุฉ ุฑุจู…ุง ู„ู… ูŠูƒู† ู…ุซู‚ูุงูŽ ุŒ ู„ุง ูŠู…ู„ูƒ ุฑุคูŠุฉ ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ูŠุฉ .
Edison may not have been a nice person, he did a lot of things -- he was maybe not so intellectual, not so visionary.
ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃู…ูŠู„ ู„ุฅุฏูŠุณูˆู† ุฃูƒุซุฑู…ู† ุชุณู„ุง.
But I think I'm more of an Edison than a Tesla.
ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู† : ุงู„ุณู…ุฉ ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ููŠ TED ู„ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฅุณุจูˆุน ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุงุญู„ุงู… ุงู„ุงุญู„ุงู… ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ ุŒ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุฏุงู…ุฉ ูˆ ุงู„ุฌุฑูŠุฆุฉ .
CA: So our theme at TED this week is dreams -- big, bold, audacious dreams.
ูˆ ุฃู†ุช ุงู„ุนู‚ุงุฑ ุงู„ู…ุถุงุฏ ู„ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐุง .
You're really the antidote to that.
ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏูŠุณ : ุฃู†ุง ุฃุญุงูˆู„ ุฏูุนู‡ุง ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุงู‘ ุŒ ุตุญูŠุญ.
LT: I'm trying to dial it down a bit, yes.
ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู† : ู‡ุฐุง ุฌูŠุฏ .
CA: That's good.
ู†ุญู† ู†ุญุชุถู†ูƒ ูˆ ู†ุชุจู†ุงูƒ .
We embrace you, we embrace you.
ุดุฑูƒุงุช ู…ุซู„ ุบูˆุบู„ ูˆุบูŠุฑู‡ุง ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ุนู…ู„ุช ุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุงู„ู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ุญูˆุงู„ูŠ ุŒ ู…ู„ูŠุงุฑุงุช ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ุงุฑุงุช ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุจุฑู†ุงู…ุฌูƒ .
Companies like Google and many others have made, arguably, like, billions of dollars out of your software.
ู‡ู„ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุดูŠุก ูŠุฒุนุฌูƒ ุŸ
Does that piss you off?
ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ: ู„ุง
LT: No.
ู„ุง ุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ู„ุง ูŠุฒุนุฌู†ูŠ ู„ุนุฏุฉ ุฃุณุจุงุจ .
No, it doesn't piss me off for several reasons.
ูˆ ุฃุญุฏ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃุณุจุงุจุŒ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจุนู…ู„ ุฌูŠุฏ .
And one of them is, I'm doing fine.
ุฃู†ุง ูุนู„ุฃ ุฃู‚ูˆู… ุจุนู…ู„ ุฌูŠุฏ .
I'm really doing fine.
ูˆู„ูƒู† ุงู„ุณุจุจ ุงู„ุฃุฎุฑ ู‡ูˆ ุฃุนู†ูŠ ุŒ ุจุฏูˆู† ุนู…ู„ ุงู„ู…ุตุฏุฑ ุงู„ู…ูุชูˆุญ ูƒุงู…ู„ุงูŽ ูˆุงู„ุณู…ุงุญ ู„ู‡ ุฃู† ูŠุตุจุญ ุดูŠุฆุงูŽ ุŒ ู„ู…ุง ูˆุตู„ ุงู„ู„ูŠู†ูƒุณ ู„ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุนู„ูŠู‡ .
But the other reason is -- I mean, without doing the whole open source and really letting go thing, Linux would never have been what it is.
ูˆ ุฌู„ุจ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฎุจุฑุงุช ูˆ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู„ุง ุฃุญุจุฐู‡ุง ุŒ ุงู„ูƒู„ุงู… ุงู„ุนุงู…. ูˆู„ูƒู† ููŠ ู†ูุณ ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุฎุจุฑุฉ ุงูŠุถุงูŽ .
And it's brought experiences I don't really enjoy, public talking, but at the same time, this is an experience.
ุซู‚ูˆุง ุจูŠ .
Trust me.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุชุฌุฑูŠ ุชุฌุนู„ู†ูŠ ุฑุฌู„ุงูŽ ุณุนูŠุฏุงูŽ ูˆ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุงู†ู†ูŠ ู‚ู…ุช ุจุงู„ุฎูŠุงุฑุงุช ูˆ ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุตุญูŠุญุฉ .
So there's a lot of things going on that make me a very happy man and thinking I did the right choices.
ูƒุฑูŠุณ ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู† : ู‡ู„ ููƒุฑุฉ ุงู„ู…ุตุฏุฑ ุงู„ู…ูุชูˆุญ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุŒ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุณู†ู†ู‡ูŠ ู‡ู†ุง ู‡ู„ ููƒุฑุฉ ุงู„ู…ุตุฏุฑ ุงู„ู…ูุชูˆุญ ูˆุตู„ุช ุจุดูƒู„ ูƒุงู…ู„ ู„ู„ุนุงู„ู… ุŒ ุฃู… ุฃู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ุณูŠุชู… ุชู‚ุฏูŠู…ู‡ ุŒ ูˆู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ูŠู…ูƒู† ุนู…ู„ู‡ุง ุŸ
CA: Is the open source idea -- this is, I think we'll end here -- is the open source idea fully realized now in the world, or is there more that it could go, are there more things that it could do?
ู„ูŠู†ูˆุณ ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ: ู„ุฏูŠ ุฑุฃูŠูŠู† ุจู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุน .
LT: So, I'm of two minds there.
ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ู„ุณุจุจ ูˆุญูŠุฏ ุงู„ู…ุตุฏุฑ ุงู„ู…ูุชูˆุญ ูŠุนู…ู„ ุจุดูƒู„ ุฌูŠุฏ ููŠ ุงู„ุจุฑู…ุฌุฉ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู‡ .. ููŠ ู†ู‡ุงูŠุฉ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ุŒ ุงู„ุจุฑู…ุฌุฉ ุชู…ูŠู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุชูƒูˆู† ุดูŠุฆุงูŽ ุจุงู„ุงุจูŠุถ ูˆ ุงู„ุงุณูˆุฏ .
I think one reason open source works so well in code is that at the end of the day, code tends to be somewhat black and white.
ููŠ ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุญูŠุงู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูˆุณูŠู„ุฉ ุฌูŠุฏุฉ ู„ุงุชุฎุงุฐ ู‚ุฑุงุฑุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ุชู… ุจุดูƒู„ ุตุญูŠุญ ูˆ ู‡ุฐุง ู„ู… ูŠุชู… .
There's often a fairly good way to decide, this is done correctly and this is not done well.
ุงู„ุจุฑู…ุฌุฉ ุฅู…ุง ุฃู† ุชุนู…ู„ ุฃูˆ ู„ุง . ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุนู†ูŠ ู…ุฌุงู„ ุฃู‚ู„ ู„ู„ุฌุฏู„ .
Code either works or it doesn't, which means that there's less room for arguments.
ูˆ ุจุงู„ุฑุบู… ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุฌุฏู„ ุŒ ุตุญูŠุญ ุŸ
And we have arguments despite this, right?
ููŠ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ุฃุนู†ูŠ ุฃู† ุงู„ู†ุงุณ ุชุญุฏุซุช ุนู† ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุงุช ุงู„ู…ูุชูˆุญุฉ ูˆุฃู…ูˆุฑ ูƒู‡ุฐู‡ ูˆ ุฅู†ู‡ ู„ู…ู† ุงู„ุตุนุจ ุฃุญูŠุงู†ุงูŽ ุฃู† ุชู‚ูˆู„ ุฃู† ุจุงู„ุฅู…ูƒุงู† ุชุทุจูŠู‚ ู†ูุณ ุงู„ู…ุจุงุฏุฆ ุจุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ุจุณุจุจ ุฃู†ู‡ ุงู„ุฃุจูŠุถ ุงู„ุฃุณูˆุฏ ุชุญูˆู„ุง ูˆู„ูƒู† ู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ู„ู„ุฑู…ุงุฏูŠ ุŒ ูˆ ู„ูƒู† ู„ุฃู„ูˆุงู† ุฃุฎุฑู‰ .
In many other areas -- I mean, people have talked about open politics and things like that -- and it's really hard sometimes to say that, yes, you can apply the same principles in some other areas just because the black and white turns into not just gray, but different colors.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ุŒ ู…ู† ุงู„ูˆุงุถุญ ุฃู† ุงู„ู…ุตุฏุฑ ุงู„ู…ูุชูˆุญ ุจุตุฏุฏ ุงู„ุนูˆุฏุฉ ู„ู„ุนู„ูˆู….
So, obviously open source in science is making a comeback.
ุงู„ุนู„ูˆู… ูƒุงู†ุช ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุฃูˆู„ุงูŽ .
Science was there first.
ูˆู„ูƒู† ุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุนู„ูˆู… ุฃู†ุชู‡ุช ู„ูƒูˆู†ู‡ุง ู…ุบู„ู‚ุฉ ุฌุฏุงู‘ ุŒ ู…ุน ู…ุฌู„ุงุช ู…ูƒู„ูุฉ ุฌุฏุงู‘ ูˆ ุจุนุถ ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฌุฑูŠ ุŒ
But then science ended up being pretty closed, with very expensive journals and some of that going on.
ุงู„ู…ุตุฏุฑ ุงู„ู…ูุชูˆุญ ุชุนู…ู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุนูˆุฏุฉ ุงู„ุนู„ูˆู… ุŒ ู…ุน ุฃุดูŠุงุก ู…ุซู„ ุฃุฑุฎุงูŠู ูˆ ุงู„ู…ุฌู„ุงุช ุงู„ู…ูุชูˆุญุฉ.
And open source is making a comeback in science, with things like arXiv and open journals.
ูˆูŠูƒูŠุจูŠุฏูŠุง ุบูŠุฑุช ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ุŒ ุฃูŠุถุงูŽ .
Wikipedia changed the world, too.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู…ุซู„ุฉ ุŒ ูˆ ุฃู†ุง ูˆุงุซู‚ ุฃู† ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ุฃูŠุถุงูŽ ู‚ุงุฏู… .
So there are other examples, I'm sure there are more to come.
ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู†:ูˆ ู„ูƒู†ูƒ ู„ุณุช ุจุงู„ู‚ุงุฑุฆ ู„ู„ู…ุณุชู‚ุจู„ ุŒ ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู„ุง ูŠุฑุฌุน ู„ูƒ ู„ุชุณู…ูŠู‡ู… .
CA: But you're not a visionary, and so it's not up to you to name them.
ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ : ู„ุง
LT: No.
ุฃู†ู‡ ูŠุนูˆุฏ ุฅู„ูŠูƒู… ูŠุง ุดุจุงุจ ู„ุตู†ุนู‡ู… ุงู„ูŠุณ ูƒุฐู„ูƒ ุŸ
It's up to you guys to make them, right?
ูƒุฑูŠุณ ุฃู†ุฏุฑุณูˆู† : ุจุงู„ุทุจุน
CA: Exactly.
ู„ูŠู†ูˆุณ ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ ุŒ ุดูƒุฑุงูŽ ู„ูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ู„ูŠู†ูŠูƒุณ ุŒ ุดูƒุฑุงูŽ ู„ูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฅู†ุชุฑู†ุช ุŒ ุดูƒุฑุงูŽ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ู‡ูˆุงุชู ุงู„ุฃู†ุฏุฑูˆูŠุฏ.
Linus Torvalds, thank you for Linux, thank you for the Internet, thank you for all those Android phones.
ุดูƒุฑุงูŽ ู„ูƒ ู„ู‚ุฏูˆู…ูƒ ู‡ู†ุง ู„TED ูˆูƒุดููƒ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑุนู† ู†ูุณูƒ .
Thank you for coming here to TED and revealing so much of yourself.
ู„ูŠู†ูˆุณ ุชูˆุฑูุงู„ุฏุณ : ุดูƒุฑุงูŽ .
LT: Thank you.
ุฃู†ุง ู‡ู†ุง ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ู„ุฃุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ู‚ุตุฉ ู…ุดุฑูˆุท ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฌู…ูŠุนุงู‹ ุฃู† ู†ุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ุบูŠุฑ ู…ู…ูƒู†ุฉ.
I'm here to talk to you today about a story that we have all been conditioned to believe is not possible.
ู‡ูŠ ู‚ุตุฉ ุนู† ู„ู‚ู…ุฉ ุงู„ุนูŠุดุŒ ูˆู…ุจุงุฏุฑุฉ ุฎู„ู‚ ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ูˆุงู„ุงุฒุฏู‡ุงุฑ ููŠ ุจูŠุฆุฉ ุบูŠุฑ ู…ุชูˆู‚ุนุฉ: ุญูƒูˆู…ุฉ ุงู„ูˆู„ุงูŠุงุช ุงู„ู…ุชุญุฏุฉ.
It's a story about a living, breathing start-up flourishing in an unlikely environment: the United States government.
ุงู„ุขู†ุŒ ุชุดุฑุน ู…ุจุงุฏุฑุฉ ุฎู„ู‚ ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ุฃุณุงุณุงู‹ ููŠ ุฅุฑุจุงูƒ ุงู„ุฃุณู„ูˆุจ ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ูŠ ู„ุฅู†ุฌุงุฒ ุงู„ุฃุนู…ุงู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏุงุฎู„ ู„ู„ุฎุงุฑุฌ.
Now, this start-up is fundamentally beginning to disrupt the way government does business from the inside out.
ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‚ุจู„ ุงู„ูˆุตูˆู„ ู„ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุทุฉุŒ ู„ู†ุจุฏุฃ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ.
But before I get there, let's start with the problem.
ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ูŠุŒ ุชุจุฏุฃ ุงู„ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุจุงู„ุฑู‚ู…: 137.
For me, the problem begins with a number: 137.
137 ู‡ูˆ ู…ุชูˆุณุท ุนุฏุฏ ุงู„ุฃูŠุงู… ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠู†ุชุธุฑู‡ุง ุงู„ู…ุญุงุฑุจูˆู† ุงู„ู‚ุฏุงู…ู‰ ู„ู„ุญุตูˆู„ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ูƒุงูุขุชู‡ู… ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุฅุฏุงุฑุชู‡ู… .
137 is the average number of days a veteran has to wait to have benefits processed by the VA.
137 ูŠูˆู…ุงู‹.
137 days.