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ูู ุชูู ุงูู
ุฑุญูุฉ ูุงู ูุธุงู
ู
ุตุฏุฑ ููุงู ู
ูุชูุญุงู ูููู ูู
ููู ููุงู ุฃูู ููุฉ ุ ูุฅุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ู
ุจุฏุฃ ุงููุธุงู
ุงูู
ูุชูุญ ุงูู
ุณุชุฎุฏู
ุญุงููุงู ูุชุทููุฑู ุ | At that point it was source that was open, but there was no intention behind using the kind of open-source methodology that we think of today to improve it. |
ููุฏ ุฌุฑู ุงูู
ูุถูุน ุ " ุงูุธุฑูุง ููุฏ ุนู
ูุช ุนูู ูุฐุง ุงูู
ุดุฑูุน ูู
ุฏุฉ ูุตู ุณูุฉ ุ ุฃูุฏ ุณู
ุงุน ุชุนูููุงุชูู
ู ุฃุฑุงุฆูู
ุนููู . " | It was more like, "Look, I've been working on this for half a year, I'd love to have comments." |
ุจุนุถ ุงููุงุณ ุฌุงุคุง ุฅูู | And other people approached me. |
ูู ุฌุงู
ุนุฉ ูููุณููู ุ ูุฏู ุตุฏูู ูุงู ู
ู ู
ูุชุณุจู ูุธุงู
ุงูู
ุตุฏุฑ ุงูู
ูุชูุญ ูุงู ูุทูู ุนูููุง ุฃุณุงุณุงู "ุงูุจุฑู
ุฌูุงุช ุงูุญุฑุฉ" ูู ุฐูู ุงูููุช ุ ููุฏู
ูู ููุฑุฉ ุฃูู ุ ู
ููุงู ุ ุฃูู ุจุฅู
ูุงูู ุฃุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ุฑุฎุต ูุธุงู
ุงูู
ุตุฏุฑ ุงูู
ูุชูุญ ุงูุชู ุชู
ุชุฑุฎูุตูุง | At the University of Helsinki, I had a friend who was one of the open source -- it was called mainly "free software" back then -- and he actually introduced me to the notion that, hey, you can use these open-source licenses that had been around. |
ู ููุฑุช ุจูุฐุง ููุชุฑุฉ ู
ู ุงูููุช ุ | And I thought about it for a while. |
ููุฏ ููุช ูููุงู ุจุงููุนู ุญูู ุงูู
ูุงุณุจ ุงูู
ุงุฏูุฉ. | I was actually worried about the whole commercial interests coming in. |
ุฃุนูู ุ ุฃูู ูุงู ุฃุญุฏ ุงูู
ุฎุงูู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ู
ุนุธู
ุงููุงุณ ุงูุฐูู ูุทูููู ุดูุฆุงูุ ุณูุจุฏูู ูููุงู ุนู ู
ู ุณูุณุชููุฏ ู
ู ุนู
ููู
ุฃููุณ ูุฐูู ุ | I mean, that's one of the worries I think most people who start out have, is that they worry about somebody taking advantage of their work, right? |
ู ูุฑุฑุช ุ ู
ุง ูุฐุง .. | And I decided, "What the hell?" |
ู .. ุฃูุฏุฑุณูู: ูู ู
ุฑุญูุฉ ู
ุง ุ ุณุงูู
ุดุฎุต ุจุจุนุถ ุงูุชุนููู
ุงุช ุงูุจุฑู
ุฌูุฉ ุงูุชู ุฅุนุชุจุฑุชูุง ุ "ู
ุง ูุฐุง ุฅูู ู
ุฏูุด ูู
ุฃูู ูุฏ ููุฑุช ูู ูุฐุง! | And -- CA: And then at some point, someone contributed some code that you thought, "Wow, that really is interesting, I would not have thought of that. |
ุฃูู ุณูุทูุฑู ุจุงููุนู " . | This could actually improve this." |
ููููุณ ุชูุฑูุงูุฏุณ: ูู
ุชุจุฏุฃ ุจุงููุนู ุจู
ุณุงูู
ุฉ ุงููุงุณ ูู ุงูุจุฑุฌู
ุฉ ุ ููุฏ ูุงูุช ุฃูุซุฑ ุจู
ุณุงูู
ุฉ ุงููุงุณ ูู ุงูุฃููุงุฑ . | LT: It didn't even start by people contributing code, it was more that people started contributing ideas. |
ู ุญูููุฉ ุฃู ุดุฎุต ุขุฎุฑ ูููู ูุธุฑุฉ ุนูู ู
ุดุฑูุนู ุฃูุง ู
ุชุฃูุฏ ุฃููุง ุญูููุฉ ุตุญูุญุฉ ูู ุฃุดูุงุก ุฃุฎุฑู ูุซูุฑุฉ ุ ููููุง ุจุงูุทุจุน ุตุญูุญุฉ ูู ุงูุจุฑู
ุฌุฉ ุฃูู ุงุฐุง ูุงู ุดุฎุต ู
ูุชู
ุจุนู
ูู ุงูุจุฑู
ุฌูุ ู ุฃููู ูุธุฑุฉ ูุงููุฉ ุนููู ููุนุทูู ุฑุฃูู ุงูุดุฎุตู ูููุง ู ูุนุทูู ุฃููุงุฑ ุฃูุถุงู . | And just the fact that somebody else takes a look at your project -- and I'm sure it's true of other things, too, but it's definitely true in code -- is that somebody else takes an interest in your code, looks at it enough to actually give you feedback and give you ideas. |
ููุฏ ูุงู ุดูุฆุงู ุนุธูู
ุงู ูู . | That was a huge thing for me. |
ููุฏ ูุงู ุนู
ุฑู 21 ูู ุฐูู ุงูููุช ุฃู ุฃููู ููุช ูุงุฒูุช ุดุงุจุงู . . ูููููู ููุช ูุฏ ุนู
ูุช ูู ุงูุจุฑู
ุฌุฉ ูุตู ุญูุงุชู ุฃุณุงุณุงู ุ | I was 21 at the time, so I was young, but I had already programmed for half my life, basically. |
ููู ู
ุดุฑูุน ูุจู ุฐูู ูุงู ู
ุดุฑูุนุงู ุดุฎุตูุงู ูุญุตู ุงููุดู ุนููุ ุนูุฏู
ุง ุจุฏุฃ ุงููุงุณ ูุจุฏูู ุขุฑุงุฆูู
ุ ู ุฑุฏูุฏ ุฃูุนุงููู
ุนู ุนู
ูู ุงูุจุฑู
ุฌู . | And every project before that had been completely personal and it was a revelation when people just started commenting, started giving feedback on your code. |
ู ุญุชู ูุจู ุฃู ูุจุฏุฃูุง ุฃุนุทุงุก ุฃุฑุงุฆูู
ุ ููุฏ ูุงูุช ุฃุญุฏู ุฃูู
ูุญุธุงุชู ุญูุซ ููุชุ " ุฃุญุจ ุงููุงุณ " | And even before they started giving code back, that was, I think, one of the big moments where I said, "I love other people!" |
ูุง ุชููู
ููู ุจุดูู ุฎุงุทุฆ ุฃูุง ุญูุงู ูุณุช ุงูุดุฎุต ุงูุฅุฌุชู
ุงุนู ุ | Don't get me wrong -- I'm actually not a people person. |
ุฃูุง ุญูุงู ูุง ุฃุญุจ ุงููุงุณ ุ ููููู ุฃุญุจ ุงูุญูุงุณูุจ ุฃุญุจ ุงูุชุนุงู
ู ู
ุน ุงููุงุณ ู
ู ุฎูุงู ุงูุจุฑูุฏ ุงูุฅููุชุฑููู ุ ูุฃูู ูุฌุนูู ุจู
ุนุฒู ุนู ุงููุงุณ . | I don't really love other people -- But I love computers, I love interacting with other people on email, because it kind of gives you that buffer. |
ูููู ุฃุญุจ ุงููุงุณ ุงูุฐูู ูุจุฏูู ุฃุฑุงุฆูู
ููุณุงูู
ูู ูู ู
ุดุฑูุนู . | But I do love other people who comment and get involved in my project. |
ููุฌุนูููู ุดูุฆุง ุนุธูู
ุงู . | And it made it so much more. |
ูุฑูุณ ุฃูุฏุฑุณูู : ููุฏ ู
ุฑ ุนููู ูุญุธุฉ ูุฃูุช ุชุดุงูุฏ ู
ุง ุชู
ุจูุงุคู ู ุซู
ูุฌุฃุฉ ุชู
ุฃุฎุฐู ู
ูู ุ ู ุฃุฎุฐุช ุชููุฑ " ูุฌุจ ุฃู ุงุชู
ูู ุ ู
ุดุฑูุนู ุณูุตุจุญ ู
ุดุฑูุนุงู ุนุธูู
ุงู ุ ู ููุณ ููุท ู
ุดุฑูุน ุดุฎุตู ุ ุฃุญุตู ุนูู ุฑุฏูุฏ ู ุฃุฑุงุก ุงูุฌุงุจูุฉ ุนูู ุ ูููู ููุน ู
ู ุงูุชุทูุฑ ุงููุงุฆู ูู ูู ุนุงูู
ุงูุชูููููุฌูุง ุ | CA: So was there a moment when you saw what was being built and it suddenly started taking off, and you thought, "Wait a sec, this actually could be something huge, not just a personal project that I'm getting nice feedback on, but a kind of explosive development in the whole technology world"? |
ููููุณ ุชูุฑูุงูุฏุณ: ููุณ ุชู
ุงู
ุงู ุ | LT: Not really. |
ู
ุง ุฃุนููู ุ ุงูุนูุงู
ุฉ ุงููุงุฑูุฉ ููุ ูู
ุชูู ุฃูู ุฃุตุจุญ ุดูุฆุงู ุนุธูู
ุงู ุ ููุฏ ูุงูุช ููุทุฉ ูุงุฑูุฉ ูู ู
ูุฐ ูุงู ู
ุดุฑูุนุงู ุตุบูุฑุงู . | I mean, the big point for me, really, was not when it was becoming huge, it was when it was becoming little. |
ุงููุงุฑู ุงููุจูุจุฑ ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ูู ูู ุฃู ูุง ุฃููู ูุญูุฏุงู ุญูุซ ุญุตูุช ุนูู 10 ุฃู ุฑุจู
ุง 100 ู
ุดุงุฑููู ูู ุงูู
ุดุฑูุน ููุฏ ูุงู ุดูุฆุงู ูุงุฑูุงู . | The big point for me was not being alone and having 10, maybe 100 people being involved -- that was a big point. |
ุจุนุฏูุง ูู ุดูุฆ ุตุงุฑ ูุฒุฏุงุฏ ุชุฏุฑูุฌูุงู . | Then everything else was very gradual. |
ู
ู 100 ุดุฎุถ ุฅูู ู
ูุงููู ุงููุงุณ ูู
ููู ุดูุฆุงู ุนุธูู
ุงู .. ูู . | Going from 100 people to a million people is not a big deal -- to me. |
ุญุณูุงู ุ ุฃุนูู ุ ุฑุจู
ุง ุฃูู ุฃุฐุง ููุช ุฃุฐุง ุฃุฑุฏุช ุจูุน ุญุตููุฉ ุนู
ูู ูุฐุง ูู ุงููุงุฑู ุงูุนุธูู
. ูุง ุชููู
ููู ุจุดูู ุฎุงุทุฆ | Well, I mean, maybe it is if you're -- If you want to sell your result then it's a huge deal -- don't get me wrong. |
ูููู ุงุฐุง ููุช ู
ูุชู
ุงู ุจุงูุชูููููุฌูุงุ ู ุฃูุชู
ู
ุช ุจูุฐุง ุงูู
ุดุฑูุนุ ุงูุดูุฆ ุงูุนุธูู
ูุงู ุฏุฎูู ุงูู
ุฌุชู
ุน . | But if you're interested in the technology and you're interested in the project, the big part was getting the community. |
ุจุนุฏูุง ุฃุฎุฐ ุงูู
ุฌุชู
ุน ููู
ู ุชุฏุฑูุฌูุงู . | Then the community grew gradually. |
ูููุงู ูู ุงููุงูุน ููุณุช ุนูุงู
ุฉ ูุงุฑูุฉ ูุญูุฏุฉ ููุท ุญูุซ ุฃููู ุจุฏุฃุชุ "ูุฌุงุญ ุจุงูุฑุ ุฃูุง ููุชู ุฃููุนุช ! " ูุฃู ุฃุนูู - ุฃูู ุงุณุชุบุฑู ููุชุง ุทูููุง ูุณุจูุงู . | And there's actually not a single point where I went like, "Wow, that just took off!" because it -- I mean -- it took a long time, relatively. |
ุฃูุฏุฑุณูู: ุงูุงุดุฎุงุต ูู ู
ุฌุงู ุงูุชูููููุฌูุง ุงูุฐูู ุชุญุฏุซุช ู
ุนูู
ูุฏูููู ูู ุจุงููุซูุฑ ูุชุบููุฑ ุนู
ููู
ุนูู ูุทุงู ูุงุณุน . | CA: So all the technologists that I talk to really credit you with massively changing their work. |
ู ููุณ ุจุณุจุจ ููุท ุ ุฅูู
ุง ุจุณุจุจ ุงูุดุฆ ุงูุฐู ูุฏุนู"ุฌูุช"ุ ุงูุฐู ูู ุงููุธุงู
ุงูุฅุฏุงุฑู ูุชุทููุฑ ุงูุจุฑู
ุฌูุงุช. | And it's not just Linux, it's this thing called Git, which is this management system for software development. |
ุฃุฎุจุฑูุง ุจุฅูุฌุงุฑ ุนู ุฐูู ู ุฏูุฑู ููู . | Tell us briefly about that and your role in that. |
ุชูุฑูุงูุฏุณ:ุฃุญุฏ ุงูู
ุดุงูู ุงูุชู ูุงุฌูุชูุง ุ ูุงูุชู ุฃุฎุฐุช ููุช ุญุชู ุธูุฑุช ุ ุฃูู ุนูุฏู
ุง | LT: So one of the issues we had, and this took a while to start to appear, is when you ... |
ุนูุฏู
ุง ููู
ู ู
ุดุฑูุนู ู
ู ู
ุฑุญูุฉ ูุฌูุฏ 10 ุฃุดุฎุงุต ุฃู 100 ุดุฎุต ูุนู
ููู ููู ุงูู ู
ุฑุญูุฉ ูุฌูุฏ 10ุ000 ุดุฎุต ุ ู
ุง ุฃุนููู ุ ุฃููุง ุงูุขู ูู ูุถุน ูุฌูุฏูุง ูู ุงูุฌููุฑ ุ ูุฏููุง 1000 ุดุฎุต ู
ุณุงูู
ูู ูู ูู ุฅุตุฏุงุฑ ููุฐุง ูุชูุฑุฑ ูู ุดูุฑููุ ู
ุง ููุฑุจ ู
ู ุดูุฑูู ุฃู ุซูุงุซุฉ ุฃุดูุฑ. | When you grow from having 10 people or 100 people working on a project to having 10,000 people, which -- I mean, right now we're in the situation where just on the kernel, we have 1,000 people involved in every single release and that's every two months, roughly two or three months. |
ุจุนุถ ูุคูุงุก ุงููุงุณ ูู
ูุนู
ู ุงููุซูุฑ . | Some of those people don't do a lot. |
ููุงู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ุงููุงุณ ุงูุฐูู ูุฏู
ูุง ุงููููู ู
ู ุงูุชุบููุฑุงุช . | There's a lot of people who make small, small changes. |
ู ููู ููุญูุงุธ ุนูู ูุฐู ุ ุงูุชุบููุฑุงุช ุงููุงุณุนุฉ ูุงูุญูุงุธ ุนูููุง. | But to maintain this, the scale changes how you have to maintain it. |
ูุงุฌููุง ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ุงูู
ุตุงุนุจ . | And we went through a lot of pain. |
ู ููุงู ู
ุดุฑูุนุงุช ูุงู
ูุฉ ูุตูุงูุฉ ุงูุฑู
ุฒ ุงูู
ุตุฏุฑู . | And there are whole projects that do only source-code maintenance. |
ุณู.ูู.ุฅุณ ูู ุฃุญุฏ ุฃูุซุฑ ูุฐู ุงูุจุฑุงู
ุฌ ุฅุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ุงู ุ ู ููุฏ ูุฑูุช ุณู.ูู.ุฅุณ ูุซูุฑุงู ู ุฑูุถุช ุฅุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ู ู ุฌุฑุจุช ุฃุดูุงุก ุฃุฎุฑู ุงูุชู ูุงูุช ุฃูุซุฑ ุฅู
ุชุงุนุงู ู ุงูุขุฎุฑูู ูุฑูููุง . | CVS is the one that used to be the most commonly used, and I hated CVS with a passion and refused to touch it and tried something else that was radical and interesting and everybody else hated. |
ูุฑูุณ ุฃูุฏุฑุณูู : ููููุณ ุชูุฑูุงูุฏุณ: ููุฏ ููุง ูู ู
ููุน ุณูุก ุ ุญูุซ ููุงู ุงูุขูุงู ู
ู ุงููุงุณ ุงูุฐูู ูุฑูุฏูู ุงูู
ุดุงุฑูุฉ ุ ู ููู ุจุนุฏุฉ ุฃุดูุงู ุฃูุง ููุช ูู ู
ูุงู ุฃุฑูุฏ ุงูุชููู ุ ููุง ูู
ูููู ุงูุชูุณุน ูุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงูุนู
ู ู
ุน ุขูุงู ุงููุงุณ . | CA: LT: And we were in this bad spot, where we had thousands of people who wanted to participate, but in many ways, I was the kind of break point, where I could not scale to the point where I could work with thousands of people. |
ูุฐูู ุฌูุช ูู ู
ุดุฑูุนู ุงูุซุงูู ุ ุงูุฐู ุฃูุดุฃุชู ููู
ุญุงูุธุฉ ุนูู ู
ุดุฑูุนู ุงูุฃูู. | So Git is my second big project, which was only created for me to maintain my first big project. |
ู ูุฐุง ุญุฑููุงู ููู ููุช ุฃุนู
ู . | And this is literally how I work. |
ูู
ุฃุจุฑู
ุฌ ู ... ุญุณูุงูุ ุฃูุง ุจุฑู
ุฌุช ููุชุณููุฉ ููู ุฃุฑูุฏ ุฃู ุฃุจุฑู
ุฌ ุดูุก ุฐุง ู
ุนูู ูุฐูู ูู ู
ุดุฑูุน ุฃุชู
ู
ุชู ูุงู ูุดูุก ุฃูุง ุฃุฑุฏุชู ู .... ูุฑูุณ ุฃูุฏุฑุณูู : ูุนููุงู ููุงู ู
ู ููููุณ ู ุฌูุช ู
ู ุงูููุน ุงูุฐู ูุดุฃ ุชูุฑูุจุง ููุชูุฌุฉ ุบูุฑ ู
ูุตูุฏุฉ ูุฑุบุจุชู ุฃู ูุง ุชุนู
ู ู
ุน ุงูุนุฏูุฏ ู
ู ุงููุงุณ . | I don't code for -- well, I do code for fun -- but I want to code for something meaningful so every single project I've ever done has been something I needed and -- CA: So really, both Linux and Git kind of arose almost as an unintended consequence of your desire not to have to work with too many people. |
ุชูุฑูุงูุฏุณ: ุจุงูุทุจุน ูุนู
. | LT: Absolutely. Yes. |
ูุฑูุณ ุฃูุฏุฑุณูู : ูุฐุง ู
ุฐูู . ููููุณ ุชูุฑูุงูุฏุณ: ูุนู
. | CA: That's amazing. LT: Yeah. |
ู ุฃูุถุงู ุ ููุช ุงูุฑุฌู ุงูุฐู ุญูู ุงูุชูููููุฌูุง ููุณ ููุท ู
ุฑุฉ ูุงุญุฏุฉ ุุจู ู
ุฑุชููุ ูุนูููุง ุฃู ูุนูู
ูู
ุงุฐุง | And yet, you're the man who's transformed technology not just once but twice, and we have to try and understand why it is. |
ู ู
ุง ุฒูุช ุชุนุทููุง ุจุนุถ ุงููุฑุงุฆูุ ูููู | You've given us some clues, but ... |
ูุฐู ุตูุฑุฉ ูู ูุทูู ู ู
ุนู ู
ูุนุจ ุฑูุจูู | Here's a picture of you as a kid, with a Rubik's Cube. |
ููุฏ ุฃุฑุฏูุช ุฃูู ุชุจุฑู
ุฌ ู
ูุฐ ูุงู ุนู
ุฑู 10 ุฃู 11ุ ูุตู ุญูุงุชู. | You mentioned that you've been programming since you were like 10 or 11, half your life. |
ูู ููุช ุฃุญุฏ ุนุจุงูุฑุฉ ุงูุญุงุณูุจ, ู
ูููุณุงู ุจุงูุชุนูู
ุ ูู ููุช ุงูุฃูุถู ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงููุงุฏุฑุนูู ุฃู ููุนู ูู ุดูุก ุ | Were you this sort of computer genius, you know, รผbernerd, were you the star at school who could do everything? |
ููู ููุช ูุทูู ุ | What were you like as a kid? |
ููููุณ ุชูุฑูุงูุฏุณ:ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ููุช ู
ู ูู
ุท ุงูุทุงูุจ ุงูุฐู ูุฐุงูุฑ . | LT: Yeah, I think I was the prototypical nerd. |
ุฃุนูู ุ ุฃูู ููุช ... | I mean, I was ... |
ูู
ุฃูู ุงูุดุฎุต ุงูุฅุฌุชู
ุงุนู ุฃูุฐุงู . | I was not a people person back then. |
ูุฐุง ุฃุฎู ุงูุตุบูุฑ. | That's my younger brother. |
ููุฏ ููุช ุฃูุซุฑ ุงุณุชู
ุชุงุนุงู ูู ู
ูุนุจ ุฑูุจูู ุฃูุซุฑ ู
ู ุฃุฎู . | I was clearly more interested in the Rubik's Cube than my younger brother. |
ุฃุฎุชู ุงูุตุบูุฑุฉ ู ุงูุชู ูุง ุชุธูุฑ ูู ูุฐู ุงูุตูุฑุฉ ุนูุฏู
ุง ููุง ูุฌุชู
ุน ุงุฌุชู
ุงุนุงุช ุนุงุฆููุฉ ุ ููู
ุชูู ุนุงุฆูุชูุง ุจุงูุนุงุฆูุฉ ุงููุจูุฑุฉ ุ ู ููู ูุงู ูุฏู ุฃุซููู ู
ู ุฃููุงุฏ ุนู
ูู
ุชูุ ููุฏ ูุงูุช ุชุญุถุฑูู ู
ุณุจูุงู . | My younger sister, who's not in the picture, when we had family meetings -- and it's not a huge family, but I have, like, a couple of cousins -- she would prep me beforehand. |
ูุจู ุฃู ุฃุฏุฎู ุงูุบุฑูุฉ ูุงูุช ุชููู ุ " ูุนู
. ู ูุฐุง ูุฐูู .. " | Like, before I stepped into the room she would say, "OK. That's so-and-so ..." |
ูุฃููู ูู
ุฃูู ... ููุช ู
ูููุณุงู . | Because I was not -- I was a geek. |
ู
ูููุณุงู ุจุงูุญูุงุณูุจ ุ ู
ูููุณุงู ุจุงูุฑูุงุถูุงุช ุ ู
ูููุณุงู ุจุงูููุฒูุงุก . | I was into computers, I was into math, I was into physics. |
ููุฏ ููุช ุฌูุฏุงู ูู ุฐูู . | I was good at that. |
ุฃูุง ูุง ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃููู ููุช ุงุณุชุซูุงุฆู ุจู
ุฌุงู ู
ุนูู . | I don't think I was particularly exceptional. |
ุจูุถูุญ ุ ูุงูุช ุฃุฎุชู ุฃู ุฃูุซุฑ ู
ูุฒุฉ ุฅุณุชุซูุงุฆูุฉ ุฃู
ุชูููุง ุฃููู ูุง ุฃุณุชุณูู
. | Apparently, my sister said that my biggest exceptional quality was that I would not let go. |
ุฃูุฏุฑุณูู : ูุนู
ุฏุนูุง ูุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ูุฐุง ุฃูู ู
ุซูุฑ ููุฅูุชู
ุงู
. | CA: OK, so let's go there, because that's interesting. |
ุฃูู ูุง ุชุณุชุณูู
. | You would not let go. |
ุฃู ุฃูู ูุง ูุชุนูู ุจูููู ู
ูููุณ ุฃู ุฐููุ ุฃูู ูุชุนูู ุจูููู ุนููุฏ ุ | So that's not about being a geek and being smart, that's about being ... stubborn? |
ุชูุฑูุงูุฏุณ: ุฃููุง ุชุชุนูู ุจูููู ุนููุฏ . | LT: That's about being stubborn. |
ูุฐุง ุดูุกุ ู
ุซูุ ุฃู ุชุจุฏุฃ ุจุดูุก ู ุฃู ูุง ุชููู " ูุนู
ุฃูุง ุฃุชู
ู
ุชู ุ .. ุณุฃุจุฏุฃ ุจุฅุชู
ุงู
ุฃู
ุฑ ุขุฎุฑ ูุจุฏู ุฑุงุฆุนุงู " | That's about, like, just starting something and not saying, "OK, I'm done, let's do something else -- Look: shiny!" |
ููุฏ ูุงุญุธุช ููุณ ุงูุดูุก ุจุฃุฌุฒุงุก ูุซูุฑุฉ ู
ู ุญูุงุชู ุุงูุถุงู. | And I notice that in many other parts in my life, too. |
ููุฏ ุนุดุช ูู ูุงุฏู ุงูุณูููููู ูุณุจุน ุณููุงุช. | I lived in Silicon Valley for seven years. |
ู ุนู
ูุช ูููุณ ุงูุดุฑูุฉ ุ ูู ูุงุฏู ุงูุณูููููู ุ ูู ุงูููุช . | And I worked for the same company, in Silicon Valley, for the whole time. |
ููุฐุง ุดูุก ุฅุณุชุซูุงุฆู . | That is unheard of. |
ููุฐุง ููุณ ูู
ุง ุชุฌุฑู ุงูุฃู
ูุฑ ุนุงุฏุฉ ูู ูุงุฏู ุงูุณูููููู. | That's not how Silicon Valley works. |
ุงูู
ุชุนุงุฑู ุนููู ูู ูุงุฏู ุงูุณูููููู ุฃู ุงููุงุณ ูุชููููู ุจูู ุนุฏุฉ ุฃุนู
ุงู ู
ุซู ุฎูุท ุณุงุฆู ูู ูุนุงุก . | The whole point of Silicon Valley is that people jump between jobs to kind of mix up the pot. |
ููุฐุง ููุณ ู
ู ุดุฎุตูุชู . | And that's not the kind of person I am. |
ูุฑูุณ ุฃูุฏุฑุณูู: ููู ุฎูุงู ูุชุฑุฉ ุชุทููุฑ ููููุณุ ุฐุงู ุงูุนูุงุฏ ุฌุนูู ุฃุญูุงูุงู ูู ุตุฑุงุน ู
ุน ุจุงูู ุงููุงุณ . | CA: But during the actual development of Linux itself, that stubbornness sometimes brought you in conflict with other people. |
ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ุฐูู ููููุงู . | Talk about that a bit. |
ูู ูุงู ุถุฑูุฑูุงู ููุญูุงุธ ุนูู ู
ุง ูุชู
ุจูุงุคู ุ | Was that essential to sort of maintain the quality of what was being built? |
ููู ุชูุตู ููุง ู
ุง ุญุฏุซ ุ | How would you describe what happened? |
ููููุณ ุชูุฑูุงูุฏุณ : ุฃูุง ูุง ุงุนูู
ููู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงู ุถุฑูุฑูุงู . | LT: I don't know if it's essential. |
ุฃุนูุฏ ู
ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู ุฅูู ูููู " ูุณุช ุดุฎุตุงู ุฅุฌุชู
ุงุนูุงู " ุฃุญูุงูุงู ุฃูุง ุฃูุถุงู | Going back to the "I'm not a people person," -- sometimes I'm also ... |
ูู ุจุฅู
ูุงููุง ุงูููู ุ " ูุตูุฑ ุงููุธุฑ " ุนูุฏู
ุง ูุชุนูู ุงูู
ูุถูุน ุจู
ุดุงุนุฑ ุจุงูู ุงููุงุณุ ู ูู ุงูุดูุก ุงูุฐู ูุฌุนููู ุฃููู ุฃุดูุงุก ุชุฒุนุฌ ูุชุคูู
ุจุงูู ุงููุงุณ. | shall we say, "myopic" when it comes to other people's feelings, and that sometimes makes you say things that hurt other people. |
ู ุฃูุง ูุณุช ูุฎูุฑุงู ุจุฐูู . | And I'm not proud of that. |
ููู ุ ูู ุงูููุช ููุณู ูุงุฌูุช ุจุนุถ ุงููุงุณ ูุงููุง ูู ูุฌุจ ุฃู ุฃููู ูุทููุงู . | But, at the same time, it's -- I get people who tell me that I should be nice. |
ุซู
ุนูุฏู
ุง ุฃุญุงูู ุฃู ุฃุดุฑุญ ููู
ุฃูู ุฑุจู
ุง ูู
ูุทูููู ุ ู ููู ุฑุจู
ุง ูุญุจ ุฃู ูููููุง ุฃูุซุฑ ุนุฏูุงููุฉ. ูุนุชุจุฑูู ุฐูู ู
ู ูููู ูุณุช ูุทููุงู . | And then when I try to explain to them that maybe you're nice, maybe you should be more aggressive, they see that as me being not nice. |
ู ุนูุฏู
ุง ุฃุญุงูู ุฃู ุฃููู ุฃููุง ู
ุฎุชูููู. | What I'm trying to say is we are different. |
ูุณุช ุจุงูุดุฎุต ุงูุฅุฌุชู
ุงุนูุ ุฅูู ููุณ ุจุงูุดูุก ุงูุฐู ุฃูุฎุฑ ุจู ุจุดูู ุฎุงุตุ ู ูููู ุฌุฒุก ู
ู ุดุฎุตูุชู . | I'm not a people person; it's not something I'm particularly proud of, but it's part of me. |
ู ุฃู ุฃุญุฏ ุงูุฃุดูุงุก ุงูุชู ุฃุนุฌุจุชูู ุจู
ุจุฏุฃ ุงูู
ุตุฏุฑ ุงูู
ูุชูุญ ุฃู ูุนุทู ุงูู
ุฌุงู ููุงุณ ู
ุฎุชูููู ุจุงูุนู
ู ู
ุน ุจุนุถ. | And one of the things I really like about open source is it really allows different people to work together. |
ููุณ ุดุฑุทุงู ุฃู ูุนุฌุจ ุจุนุถูุง ุงูุจุนุถ ู ุฃุญูุงูุงู ุญุชู ูุง ูุนุฌุจ ุจุนุถูุง ุงูุจุนุถ . | We don't have to like each other -- and sometimes we really don't like each other. |
ุญูุงู .. ุฃุนูู ุ ููุงู ุงูุนุฏูุฏ ู
ู ุงูููุงุดุงุช ุงูุญุงุฏุฉ . | Really -- I mean, there are very, very heated arguments. |
ููู ูู ุงููุงูุน ุ ูู
ููู ุ ุฅูุฌุงุฏ ุงูุฃุดูุงุก ุงูุชู ูุง ูุชูุฌุจ ุงูุฅุชูุงู ุฃู ุงูุฅุฎุชูุงู ุนูููุง ุ ุฃูู ูุชุนูู ุจุฃูู ุชูุชู
ุจุฃู
ูุฑ ู
ุฎุชููุฉ . | But you can, actually, you can find things that -- you don't even agree to disagree, it's just that you're interested in really different things. |
ู ุจุงูุนูุฏุฉ ููููุทุฉ ุงูุชู ููุชูุง ูู ููุช ุณุงุจู ุฃููู ููุช ุฎุงุฆูุงู ู
ู ุงููุงุณ ุงูู
ุงุฏููู ุฃู ูุณุชููุฏูุง ู
ู ุนู
ูู ุ ุฃุชุถุญ ุงูู ุ ู ุจุณุฑุนุฉ ุฃุชุถุญ ุฃูู ุ ุฃู ูุคูุงุก ุงููุงุณ ุงูู
ุงุฏููู ูุงููุง ูุงุณ ู
ุญุจูุจูู ุฌุฏุงู . | And coming back to the point where I said earlier that I was afraid of commercial people taking advantage of your work, it turned out, and very quickly turned out, that those commercial people were lovely, lovely people. |
ู ูุงู
ูุง ุจูู ุงูุฃุดูุงุก ุงูุชู ูู
ุฃูู ู
ูุชู
ุงู ุจุงูููุงู
ุจูุงุ ู ููู ูุงููุง ูู
ูููู ุฃูุฏุงูุงู ู
ุฎุชููุฉ ุชู
ุงู
ุงู. | And they did all the things that I was not at all interested in doing, and they had completely different goals. |
ู ุงุณุชุฎุฏู
ูุง ุงูู
ุตุฏุฑ ุงุงูู
ูุชูุญ ูู ุทุฑู ูู
ุฃูู ุฃุฑูุฏูุง . | And they used open source in ways that I just did not want to go. |
ู ูููู ูุงู ู
ุตุฏุฑ ู
ูุชูุญ ุชู
ูููุง ู
ู ูุนู ุฐูู ุ ู ุนู
ู ู
ุนูู
ุจุดูู ุฌู
ูู . | But because it was open source they could do it, and it actually works really beautifully together. |
ู ูู ุงููุงูุน ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ุชุชู
ุจููุณ ุงูุทุฑููุฉ . | And I actually think it works the same way. |
ุฃูุช ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ููุฌูุฏ ุงููุงุณ ุ ู ุชูุงุตู ุงููุงุณ ู
ุน ุจุนุถูุง ุ ุงููุงุณ ุงูุฏุงูุฆูู ู ุงููุฏูุฏูู ุงููุงุณ ุงูุฐูู .. ุงูุฐูู ูุฑูุฏูู ูุนูุงู ุงู ูุนุงูููู ู ูุฏุฎููู ููู
ุฌุชู
ุน . | You need to have the people-people, the communicators, the warm and friendly people who like -- really want to hug you and get you into the community. |
ูููู ูุฐุง ูุง ููุทุจู ุนูู ูู ุงููุงุณ . | But that's not everybody. |
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