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qtrhz0 | 70 | Car wash mode question Has anyone used car wash mode to go through a commercial car wash? I want to try it since it s almost winter and I won t be able to hand wash anymore. What is your experience? | It took some trial and error but I prefer car wash mode over just putting it in N. I go through an automatic car wash often with the little track that you drive one wheel on to be pulled through. What I ve learned: Pull up to the carwash hit the free vacuums. Before pulling away from the vacuums go to the Service menu and tap Car Wash Mode. (Or if I m skipping vacuums find somewhere while in line to enter Car Wash Mode) > > --You can only enter Car Wash Mode with the brake applied. You can be in D just gotta have the brake down. --< < Enter Car Wash Mode Then I drive up to the roller to get in position while the roller thing is approaching my tires. At this point instead of praying to the Neutral Gods that I have held the stalk long enough least I get embarrassed by the attendant all you have to to is tap Enable Free Roll . Boom you re in N. Sit back and watch the show. When done just drop it into D and drive away. Tap to exit Car Wash Mode whenever you want as you pull away. Happy washing! | I use an automatic car wash and haven t had any issues on my Model 3. It s not touchless but it is a brand new location so everything is pretty top of the line…for Fresno. | 76 | 4 | 9,106 |
qtrhz0 | 70 | Car wash mode question Has anyone used car wash mode to go through a commercial car wash? I want to try it since it s almost winter and I won t be able to hand wash anymore. What is your experience? | It took some trial and error but I prefer car wash mode over just putting it in N. I go through an automatic car wash often with the little track that you drive one wheel on to be pulled through. What I ve learned: Pull up to the carwash hit the free vacuums. Before pulling away from the vacuums go to the Service menu and tap Car Wash Mode. (Or if I m skipping vacuums find somewhere while in line to enter Car Wash Mode) > > --You can only enter Car Wash Mode with the brake applied. You can be in D just gotta have the brake down. --< < Enter Car Wash Mode Then I drive up to the roller to get in position while the roller thing is approaching my tires. At this point instead of praying to the Neutral Gods that I have held the stalk long enough least I get embarrassed by the attendant all you have to to is tap Enable Free Roll . Boom you re in N. Sit back and watch the show. When done just drop it into D and drive away. Tap to exit Car Wash Mode whenever you want as you pull away. Happy washing! | I m unsure what you mean by “commercial car wash” but if you re referring to your normal touch-less car washes and places with pressure washers I use them all the time. Be careful of quality and not use too much pressure or you ll peel your paint. This goes for any vehicle not just Tesla. Avoid harsh chemicals and NEVER use those soap brushes on your vehicle! Also stick to touch-less car washes. | 76 | 5 | 9,107 |
quxllg | 55 | Can someone put me out of my misery? Update: Everyone thanks for all the responses. I figured out from you all that the built in software currently does not support this. I know how to solve this by other means. I was thinking I was not able to figure it out as incorrectly assumed a car built in Northern California would have this 😀. Not a big deal. Not the end of the world. _______________ I have a 2016 Model S. And advanced degrees. But I can t figure out how to configure that the car does not charge between 5 PM - 8 PM when I have peak electricity rates (To clarify I am not trying to save $ but reduce my electricity footprint at that time.) Makes me feel so stupid each time I try to figure it out. Loved the BMW i3 hated the BMW app. But it was so easy to set this up on the BMW app. Help! | The problem is you are looking to tell the car when **not** to charge when you should be telling the car **when** to charge. I charge my car at midnight. Depending on usage it tops up after charging for a few minutes or a few hours but I KNOW it will not be charging before midnight. | Scheduled charging set to midnight? | 62 | 3 | 9,108 |
quxllg | 55 | Can someone put me out of my misery? Update: Everyone thanks for all the responses. I figured out from you all that the built in software currently does not support this. I know how to solve this by other means. I was thinking I was not able to figure it out as incorrectly assumed a car built in Northern California would have this 😀. Not a big deal. Not the end of the world. _______________ I have a 2016 Model S. And advanced degrees. But I can t figure out how to configure that the car does not charge between 5 PM - 8 PM when I have peak electricity rates (To clarify I am not trying to save $ but reduce my electricity footprint at that time.) Makes me feel so stupid each time I try to figure it out. Loved the BMW i3 hated the BMW app. But it was so easy to set this up on the BMW app. Help! | The problem is you are looking to tell the car when **not** to charge when you should be telling the car **when** to charge. I charge my car at midnight. Depending on usage it tops up after charging for a few minutes or a few hours but I KNOW it will not be charging before midnight. | Set scheduled charging after your peak ends. Manually charge before peak starts if you must. I do this ~2% of the time. | 62 | 6 | 9,109 |
quxllg | 55 | Can someone put me out of my misery? Update: Everyone thanks for all the responses. I figured out from you all that the built in software currently does not support this. I know how to solve this by other means. I was thinking I was not able to figure it out as incorrectly assumed a car built in Northern California would have this 😀. Not a big deal. Not the end of the world. _______________ I have a 2016 Model S. And advanced degrees. But I can t figure out how to configure that the car does not charge between 5 PM - 8 PM when I have peak electricity rates (To clarify I am not trying to save $ but reduce my electricity footprint at that time.) Makes me feel so stupid each time I try to figure it out. Loved the BMW i3 hated the BMW app. But it was so easy to set this up on the BMW app. Help! | It s insane how many people are so defensive here. It s a simple software feature Tesla has no reason to not offer but they don t. That s it the whole shebang. | really need a charge calendar setup. blocks of 30 minutes. green for allowed to charge. red for not. the end. simple. set for home use only option. so it only uses the calendar when vehicle parked at home. | 43 | 2 | 9,110 |
quxp6q | 174 | What s your sound check song when first introducing your friends to the Tesla sound system? Mine is Stone in Love by Journey for those 40+ and Levitating by Dua Lipa for those < 40. | For the first genuinely useful new thread topic that I ve seen in a LONG time take an Award and a bow. I m saving this thread to check back later for what everyone has suggested | A Little Party Never Killed Nobody by Fergie (Great Gatsby Soundtrack) | 108 | 2 | 9,111 |
quxp6q | 174 | What s your sound check song when first introducing your friends to the Tesla sound system? Mine is Stone in Love by Journey for those 40+ and Levitating by Dua Lipa for those < 40. | For the first genuinely useful new thread topic that I ve seen in a LONG time take an Award and a bow. I m saving this thread to check back later for what everyone has suggested | Write it All Down for You by Elliott Brood | 108 | 2 | 9,112 |
quxp6q | 174 | What s your sound check song when first introducing your friends to the Tesla sound system? Mine is Stone in Love by Journey for those 40+ and Levitating by Dua Lipa for those < 40. | For the first genuinely useful new thread topic that I ve seen in a LONG time take an Award and a bow. I m saving this thread to check back later for what everyone has suggested | Dance Monkey by Tones and I | 108 | 2 | 9,113 |
qv8eab | 63 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Blind spot monitoring with cam | an upgrade path for GEN 1 s | 99 | 2 | 9,114 |
qv8eab | 63 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Blind spot monitoring with cam | Individual Easy Entry settings for each driver. | 99 | 2 | 9,115 |
qv8eab | 63 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Blind spot monitoring with cam | Eco mode. Even Chill acceleration has more power than I need it to have really. So Eco mode could cut even more power to the motor. Also other power saving measures like adjusting the climate control. Like in my Avalon Hybrid the AC would be a bit weaker in Eco mode. Since Tesla likes to do things differently could call it the Geo mode or Metro mode. Or go even more obsucre and oddball and call it the Swift mode since that s what the Suzuki version of the Geo Metro was called. I can see it now. Hey lets put it on Swift mode see how fast we can go now. Wait. What s happening its even slower than before. And conversely I would pay for a Performance mode for the SR+. I know it would never be as fast as the LR or LRP but some days when I don t have to worry about range I might like a little more pick up. | 99 | 2 | 9,116 |
qvtt0y | 42 | Is there any other car that has comparable traffic aware cruise control? I recently sold my Tesla and I m interested in knowing if any other cars on the market have anything close to Tesla s safety and driver assistance tech. Not looking for FSD but plain TACC and lane centering. edit: sounds like comma is a good option looking into it. | According to [Consumer Reports](https: data.consumerreports.org wp-content uploads 2020 11 consumer-reports-active-driving-assistance-systems-november-16-2020.pdf) Comma s OpenPilot is the closest in terms of capability and performance but its an aftermarket device. See this table if you re only comparing stock ADAS systems: https: i.imgur.com t0P8UPS.jpg | Some people may say somthing like supercruise but I d argue against saying it s a different system. Mobileye is doing some interesting stuff but it s not public and I think it uses HD maps which makes it useless in theory. Comma AI is probably the closest but it s an aftermarket device you add to your vehicle so that doesn t really count. In my opinion the closest thing from factory is Volvo but even that is just a basic system like AutoPilot 1 on older hardware. | 41 | 2 | 9,117 |
qvtt0y | 42 | Is there any other car that has comparable traffic aware cruise control? I recently sold my Tesla and I m interested in knowing if any other cars on the market have anything close to Tesla s safety and driver assistance tech. Not looking for FSD but plain TACC and lane centering. edit: sounds like comma is a good option looking into it. | Lots of cars have TACC and lane centering these days. Here s a [starting point](https: cars.usnews.com cars-trucks cheapest-cars-with-adaptive-cruise-control) for the cheapest. It s kind of at the point where you can just assume it s either standard or available on any new car you re looking at and be slightly surprised if it s not. | Some people may say somthing like supercruise but I d argue against saying it s a different system. Mobileye is doing some interesting stuff but it s not public and I think it uses HD maps which makes it useless in theory. Comma AI is probably the closest but it s an aftermarket device you add to your vehicle so that doesn t really count. In my opinion the closest thing from factory is Volvo but even that is just a basic system like AutoPilot 1 on older hardware. | 34 | 2 | 9,118 |
qvtt0y | 42 | Is there any other car that has comparable traffic aware cruise control? I recently sold my Tesla and I m interested in knowing if any other cars on the market have anything close to Tesla s safety and driver assistance tech. Not looking for FSD but plain TACC and lane centering. edit: sounds like comma is a good option looking into it. | I loved the “autopilot” on the 2017 Honda CRV. It s absolutely dog shit on the 2021 Honda Pilot. | Some people may say somthing like supercruise but I d argue against saying it s a different system. Mobileye is doing some interesting stuff but it s not public and I think it uses HD maps which makes it useless in theory. Comma AI is probably the closest but it s an aftermarket device you add to your vehicle so that doesn t really count. In my opinion the closest thing from factory is Volvo but even that is just a basic system like AutoPilot 1 on older hardware. | 34 | 2 | 9,119 |
qvx6l9 | 231 | How come tesla superchargers are so small compared to other chargers? Basically what titles says other chargers are giant while Tesla superchargers are relatively small and still deliver a lot of juice. How come? | Note that Tesla tried to make a charging standard way back in the day but other OEMs and SAE said that they were not interested. That is why non-Tesla plugs are these massive clunky pieces of plastic that feel like they are from 1985. Tesla also makes the DC and AC plug be essentially the same from the consumer point of view. | [Look](https: goo.gl maps zYsZvzRGQAu7ir2j7) at the pad mounted transformer and the fenced off area in the middle of the supercharger stations. Power flows through the transformer and the [guts](https: goo.gl maps Q7BHuGXFM4djnBnS8) of the station are in the fenced off area | 35 | 4 | 9,120 |
qw8b3d | 244 | With Adaptive Headlights being legalized in the United States do you think this will be coming to Tesla models soon? I know that the model 3 and model Y both got new headlight hardware at the beginning of last year but I wasn t sure if this functionality was included and just software locked or not included at all. | woah when did they legalize adaptive headlights? | Not included at all at the moment. EU cars have those new headlights too and no reports that they have it over there even where it s legal. | 95 | 5 | 9,121 |
qw8b3d | 244 | With Adaptive Headlights being legalized in the United States do you think this will be coming to Tesla models soon? I know that the model 3 and model Y both got new headlight hardware at the beginning of last year but I wasn t sure if this functionality was included and just software locked or not included at all. | woah when did they legalize adaptive headlights? | MYP has the hardware. Not LR unless that changed recently. I bet it will come via software. No use to put it and not enable it. Just a matter of when. | 95 | 12 | 9,122 |
qw8b3d | 244 | With Adaptive Headlights being legalized in the United States do you think this will be coming to Tesla models soon? I know that the model 3 and model Y both got new headlight hardware at the beginning of last year but I wasn t sure if this functionality was included and just software locked or not included at all. | woah when did they legalize adaptive headlights? | Read that it gives the governing organization (DoT?) until like 2024 to update regulations | 95 | 45 | 9,123 |
qwwx1c | 90 | Consumer Reports Rates EVs and Tesla in Particular as unreliable. Is their Data Correct? I have owned my Tesla since April 2018 and I would call it a very reliable vehicle. Am I the anomaly? https: www.consumerreports.org cro index.htm | That is not what the article says. It says Compact hybrids and plug-in models are the top-scoring category with above average overall reliability for all models and the Model 3 and the Model S are rated above average. The article does call out all electric SUVs like the Model X and Audi E-Tron for having below-average reliability but that comes from non-drivetrain components like power equipment and the infotainment system. | “Consumer” reports is a bought and paid for group of shills. Everything they write is suspect IMO. | 57 | 2 | 9,124 |
qwwx1c | 90 | Consumer Reports Rates EVs and Tesla in Particular as unreliable. Is their Data Correct? I have owned my Tesla since April 2018 and I would call it a very reliable vehicle. Am I the anomaly? https: www.consumerreports.org cro index.htm | CR also named Tesla highest in owner satisfaction. So what the f? | “Consumer” reports is a bought and paid for group of shills. Everything they write is suspect IMO. | 56 | 2 | 9,125 |
qwwx1c | 90 | Consumer Reports Rates EVs and Tesla in Particular as unreliable. Is their Data Correct? I have owned my Tesla since April 2018 and I would call it a very reliable vehicle. Am I the anomaly? https: www.consumerreports.org cro index.htm | That is not what the article says. It says Compact hybrids and plug-in models are the top-scoring category with above average overall reliability for all models and the Model 3 and the Model S are rated above average. The article does call out all electric SUVs like the Model X and Audi E-Tron for having below-average reliability but that comes from non-drivetrain components like power equipment and the infotainment system. | Cosmetic damage is also part of their reliability score | 57 | 6 | 9,126 |
qxjqu9 | 503 | Build Back Better act passes the House. Here s what s in it and what s next: The [Build Back Better Act](https: rules.house.gov bill 117 hr-5376) passed the House vote this morning. I ve compiled what is in the House bill that is relevant to Tesla purchases: # **The process** * The [Bill still has to become a law and it has a long way to go](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=OgVKvqTItto) * BBB now heads to the Senate which had written a different version previously. It ll certainly undergo changes especially with [Manchin opposing the union portion of the credit](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments qruv7i manchin_objects_to_tax_credit_for_unionmade_evs ) * The Senate will make their own changes after the [Thanksgiving break](https: bgrdc.com wp-content uploads 2021 01 2021-Combined-Congressional-Calendar-BGR.pdf) (They get back November 29th) * The Senate also needs to deal with the National Defense Authorization Act which may take weeks. * Democratic leaders hope to get the bill through the Senate back to the House and sent to Biden to sign by the end of the year. # **New EVs** * The car must be acquired on Jan 1 2022 or later (Delivery Date) * The tax credit is refundable this time * Tax credit amount - $7500-8000 for Tesla: * $4000 base credit * $3500 for vehicles before 2027 * $500 for US made batteries * $4500 for union assembly (not Tesla) * A cap of 1 vehicle **per taxpayer** per taxable year * Income caps - The lowest income (MAGI) of the current tax year or previous year can be used: * **Joint Married**: $500k * **Head of household**: $375k * **Single**: $250k * The credit is phased out by $200 for each $1 000 of the taxpayer s modified adjusted gross income as exceeds $500 000 for married filing jointly $375 000 for head of household and $250 000 in any other case. * Vehicle MSRP limits: * **Vans**: $80k * **SUVs**: $80k (Model Y) * **Trucks**: $80k * **Other Sedans**: $55k (Model 3) * They will utilize criteria similar to that employed by the EPA and the DoE to determine class of vehicles. The Model Y is currently listed as a Small Sport Utility Vehicle 4WD on the EPA s site so it ll likely fall under the SUV price cap. * The credit can be at the point of sale starting in 2023 but only a tax credit for 2022 * There are no manufacturer caps this time it just ends on December 31 2031 # **Used EVs** * Base credit of $2000 with an extra $2000 if the battery is 40+ kWh (goes up to 50 kWh in 2027) * Cap of 2.5 gallon gas tank for the extra credit * Credit can t be greater than 50% of the sale price * Sale price cap of $25k * Model year of 2+ years older than the date of sale * Can only claim this credit once every 3 years * Income caps - The lowest income (MAGI) of the current tax year or previous year can be used: * **Joint Married**: $150k * **Head of household**: $112.5k * **Single**: $75k * The credit phases out by $200 for every $1 000 above the income cap * The credit may be a point of sale credit * The used car credit must be the first transfer (after the bill is signed) of the car other than the original purchase # **Misc** * The Alternative Fuel Vehicle Refueling Property Credit was extended until 2031 with the cap raised from $1k to $3k. This covers 30% of the cost of an EV charger and installation * The Energy credit (solar panels) was extended at 30% through 2031. tl dr: Significant progress has been made but we are a ways away from the finish line. | Please everyone!! Listen up. This the first of a 5 step process. 2) Next the Senate needs to pass a bill. 3) Then the 2 bills must be reconciled. This is the sausage making step 4) Then the reconciliation bills must be passed by both houses. 5) If it passes then the President must sign it. So boys and girls. At best we have a good framework for the program. Legislation can be messy and patience testing. | The 2.5 gallon tank cap is hilarious. Makes me wonder: will any madlads put a 2.5 gallon tank and some more batteries in a RAV4 prime just prove that they could do it for the used vehicle credit? | 97 | 2 | 9,127 |
qxjqu9 | 503 | Build Back Better act passes the House. Here s what s in it and what s next: The [Build Back Better Act](https: rules.house.gov bill 117 hr-5376) passed the House vote this morning. I ve compiled what is in the House bill that is relevant to Tesla purchases: # **The process** * The [Bill still has to become a law and it has a long way to go](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=OgVKvqTItto) * BBB now heads to the Senate which had written a different version previously. It ll certainly undergo changes especially with [Manchin opposing the union portion of the credit](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments qruv7i manchin_objects_to_tax_credit_for_unionmade_evs ) * The Senate will make their own changes after the [Thanksgiving break](https: bgrdc.com wp-content uploads 2021 01 2021-Combined-Congressional-Calendar-BGR.pdf) (They get back November 29th) * The Senate also needs to deal with the National Defense Authorization Act which may take weeks. * Democratic leaders hope to get the bill through the Senate back to the House and sent to Biden to sign by the end of the year. # **New EVs** * The car must be acquired on Jan 1 2022 or later (Delivery Date) * The tax credit is refundable this time * Tax credit amount - $7500-8000 for Tesla: * $4000 base credit * $3500 for vehicles before 2027 * $500 for US made batteries * $4500 for union assembly (not Tesla) * A cap of 1 vehicle **per taxpayer** per taxable year * Income caps - The lowest income (MAGI) of the current tax year or previous year can be used: * **Joint Married**: $500k * **Head of household**: $375k * **Single**: $250k * The credit is phased out by $200 for each $1 000 of the taxpayer s modified adjusted gross income as exceeds $500 000 for married filing jointly $375 000 for head of household and $250 000 in any other case. * Vehicle MSRP limits: * **Vans**: $80k * **SUVs**: $80k (Model Y) * **Trucks**: $80k * **Other Sedans**: $55k (Model 3) * They will utilize criteria similar to that employed by the EPA and the DoE to determine class of vehicles. The Model Y is currently listed as a Small Sport Utility Vehicle 4WD on the EPA s site so it ll likely fall under the SUV price cap. * The credit can be at the point of sale starting in 2023 but only a tax credit for 2022 * There are no manufacturer caps this time it just ends on December 31 2031 # **Used EVs** * Base credit of $2000 with an extra $2000 if the battery is 40+ kWh (goes up to 50 kWh in 2027) * Cap of 2.5 gallon gas tank for the extra credit * Credit can t be greater than 50% of the sale price * Sale price cap of $25k * Model year of 2+ years older than the date of sale * Can only claim this credit once every 3 years * Income caps - The lowest income (MAGI) of the current tax year or previous year can be used: * **Joint Married**: $150k * **Head of household**: $112.5k * **Single**: $75k * The credit phases out by $200 for every $1 000 above the income cap * The credit may be a point of sale credit * The used car credit must be the first transfer (after the bill is signed) of the car other than the original purchase # **Misc** * The Alternative Fuel Vehicle Refueling Property Credit was extended until 2031 with the cap raised from $1k to $3k. This covers 30% of the cost of an EV charger and installation * The Energy credit (solar panels) was extended at 30% through 2031. tl dr: Significant progress has been made but we are a ways away from the finish line. | Please everyone!! Listen up. This the first of a 5 step process. 2) Next the Senate needs to pass a bill. 3) Then the 2 bills must be reconciled. This is the sausage making step 4) Then the reconciliation bills must be passed by both houses. 5) If it passes then the President must sign it. So boys and girls. At best we have a good framework for the program. Legislation can be messy and patience testing. | So what s the EV tax credit if I take delivery this year vs next year? Isn t it the same amount? | 97 | 2 | 9,128 |
qxjqu9 | 503 | Build Back Better act passes the House. Here s what s in it and what s next: The [Build Back Better Act](https: rules.house.gov bill 117 hr-5376) passed the House vote this morning. I ve compiled what is in the House bill that is relevant to Tesla purchases: # **The process** * The [Bill still has to become a law and it has a long way to go](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=OgVKvqTItto) * BBB now heads to the Senate which had written a different version previously. It ll certainly undergo changes especially with [Manchin opposing the union portion of the credit](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments qruv7i manchin_objects_to_tax_credit_for_unionmade_evs ) * The Senate will make their own changes after the [Thanksgiving break](https: bgrdc.com wp-content uploads 2021 01 2021-Combined-Congressional-Calendar-BGR.pdf) (They get back November 29th) * The Senate also needs to deal with the National Defense Authorization Act which may take weeks. * Democratic leaders hope to get the bill through the Senate back to the House and sent to Biden to sign by the end of the year. # **New EVs** * The car must be acquired on Jan 1 2022 or later (Delivery Date) * The tax credit is refundable this time * Tax credit amount - $7500-8000 for Tesla: * $4000 base credit * $3500 for vehicles before 2027 * $500 for US made batteries * $4500 for union assembly (not Tesla) * A cap of 1 vehicle **per taxpayer** per taxable year * Income caps - The lowest income (MAGI) of the current tax year or previous year can be used: * **Joint Married**: $500k * **Head of household**: $375k * **Single**: $250k * The credit is phased out by $200 for each $1 000 of the taxpayer s modified adjusted gross income as exceeds $500 000 for married filing jointly $375 000 for head of household and $250 000 in any other case. * Vehicle MSRP limits: * **Vans**: $80k * **SUVs**: $80k (Model Y) * **Trucks**: $80k * **Other Sedans**: $55k (Model 3) * They will utilize criteria similar to that employed by the EPA and the DoE to determine class of vehicles. The Model Y is currently listed as a Small Sport Utility Vehicle 4WD on the EPA s site so it ll likely fall under the SUV price cap. * The credit can be at the point of sale starting in 2023 but only a tax credit for 2022 * There are no manufacturer caps this time it just ends on December 31 2031 # **Used EVs** * Base credit of $2000 with an extra $2000 if the battery is 40+ kWh (goes up to 50 kWh in 2027) * Cap of 2.5 gallon gas tank for the extra credit * Credit can t be greater than 50% of the sale price * Sale price cap of $25k * Model year of 2+ years older than the date of sale * Can only claim this credit once every 3 years * Income caps - The lowest income (MAGI) of the current tax year or previous year can be used: * **Joint Married**: $150k * **Head of household**: $112.5k * **Single**: $75k * The credit phases out by $200 for every $1 000 above the income cap * The credit may be a point of sale credit * The used car credit must be the first transfer (after the bill is signed) of the car other than the original purchase # **Misc** * The Alternative Fuel Vehicle Refueling Property Credit was extended until 2031 with the cap raised from $1k to $3k. This covers 30% of the cost of an EV charger and installation * The Energy credit (solar panels) was extended at 30% through 2031. tl dr: Significant progress has been made but we are a ways away from the finish line. | Please everyone!! Listen up. This the first of a 5 step process. 2) Next the Senate needs to pass a bill. 3) Then the 2 bills must be reconciled. This is the sausage making step 4) Then the reconciliation bills must be passed by both houses. 5) If it passes then the President must sign it. So boys and girls. At best we have a good framework for the program. Legislation can be messy and patience testing. | Do the senate changes include making the credit retroactive to May 2021? I know a few people mentioned that in this sub but I don t know where that stands at this point. | 97 | 5 | 9,129 |
qyu54i | 105 | Test driving Tesla vehicles I m planning to purchase an EV in the near future but I m not sure which one to get so I m currently trying about 10 different ones one if those being a Tesla model Y. So here s the actual question. I have yet to actually book a test drive with the car as some of the wording confused me. The explanation could be understood as them contacting about any of their models or contacting me only about the model Y (which is the only one I m currently interested in) so I wanted to make sure which is the case before proceeding. For reference I live in Denmark which is in Europe though I don t know if it makes a difference. EDIT: thanks for the help everyone I now understand what I m doing quite a lot better and have even gotten a good laugh. | Fair warning if you test drive a Tesla you are probably buying a Tesla. | It s not clear what your question is here. | 199 | 6 | 9,130 |
qyu54i | 105 | Test driving Tesla vehicles I m planning to purchase an EV in the near future but I m not sure which one to get so I m currently trying about 10 different ones one if those being a Tesla model Y. So here s the actual question. I have yet to actually book a test drive with the car as some of the wording confused me. The explanation could be understood as them contacting about any of their models or contacting me only about the model Y (which is the only one I m currently interested in) so I wanted to make sure which is the case before proceeding. For reference I live in Denmark which is in Europe though I don t know if it makes a difference. EDIT: thanks for the help everyone I now understand what I m doing quite a lot better and have even gotten a good laugh. | Fair warning if you test drive a Tesla you are probably buying a Tesla. | Not sure how different it will be in Denmark as I m in the US. But for me I ve called the local showroom done it walk-in style and booked a test drive online. Each time I was given the option of what was available got my pick and had some fun. So you should be able to pick the model your interested in and they should tell you when the next available test drive would be | 199 | 16 | 9,131 |
qyu54i | 105 | Test driving Tesla vehicles I m planning to purchase an EV in the near future but I m not sure which one to get so I m currently trying about 10 different ones one if those being a Tesla model Y. So here s the actual question. I have yet to actually book a test drive with the car as some of the wording confused me. The explanation could be understood as them contacting about any of their models or contacting me only about the model Y (which is the only one I m currently interested in) so I wanted to make sure which is the case before proceeding. For reference I live in Denmark which is in Europe though I don t know if it makes a difference. EDIT: thanks for the help everyone I now understand what I m doing quite a lot better and have even gotten a good laugh. | Person living in Denmark here who has done multiple test drives at Tesla near hillerod and Kastrup. I ve just booked online they might call you to confirm ( not always) go there on the day you can get a presentation if you like if not just go drive it around ( 30 mins). Edit: just go to the main page model y provetur which means test drive Pick the store then date+ time... To be honest after re -reading your question I am not sure what is confusing. It felt always super simple to book test drives. They will contact you regarding the car of which you selected the test drive. Feed free to send me a pm and I can help if needed. | One thing to keep in mind is at least in the US demo vehicles have FSD so that part of the test drive isn t necessarily indicative of what you would purchase. I was disappointed to learn that the green light chime wasn t a standard feature. | 30 | 2 | 9,132 |
qz35ph | 103 | How strong is regenerative braking? Say I m approaching a red light at 60 kph (40 mph) and take my foot off the go pedal is the regen braking trying to stop the car as hard as it can or are the regen brakes only partially applied to make the slowdown more comfortable? | Regen feels like a medium press on the brakes and it will stop the car completely. So for everything that you can anticipate you can drive with one pedal. It s awesome. EDIT: As pointed out by more careful observers below you need to set HOLD mode in the Settings for the car to come to a complete stop. I d recommend it but it s a user choice. | You can take your foot off of the pedal when turn lanes split off and the car will stop about where the stopping line is | 171 | 2 | 9,133 |
qz35ph | 103 | How strong is regenerative braking? Say I m approaching a red light at 60 kph (40 mph) and take my foot off the go pedal is the regen braking trying to stop the car as hard as it can or are the regen brakes only partially applied to make the slowdown more comfortable? | Regen feels like a medium press on the brakes and it will stop the car completely. So for everything that you can anticipate you can drive with one pedal. It s awesome. EDIT: As pointed out by more careful observers below you need to set HOLD mode in the Settings for the car to come to a complete stop. I d recommend it but it s a user choice. | Regen applies in a linear way but pretty quickly when you take your foot off the accelerator. You can apply the accelerator to reduce the regen ie slow down slower. Or obviously you can use the actual brakes if you need stronger breaking. Unless you re driving aggressively you can easily 1 pedal drive. | 171 | 6 | 9,134 |
qz35ph | 103 | How strong is regenerative braking? Say I m approaching a red light at 60 kph (40 mph) and take my foot off the go pedal is the regen braking trying to stop the car as hard as it can or are the regen brakes only partially applied to make the slowdown more comfortable? | Regen feels like a medium press on the brakes and it will stop the car completely. So for everything that you can anticipate you can drive with one pedal. It s awesome. EDIT: As pointed out by more careful observers below you need to set HOLD mode in the Settings for the car to come to a complete stop. I d recommend it but it s a user choice. | It s similar to moderate braking. I find in normal traffic I never need to use the brakes unless it s an emergency but if I m starting and stopping from multiple 4-way-stops I ll typically use the brakes at the very end to slow down those last 2-3 MPH to come to a complete stop. If not I find those last 2-3 MPH takes a few seconds before fully stopping and other cars will go out of turn or get to their stop sign after you but stop before you. Regen seems like a weird concept and I remember wondering the same before I got my Tesla but you ll get it figured out within 15-seconds of driving. Moving in reverse was weird for me at first as well! | 171 | 11 | 9,135 |
r0b9vo | 419 | Elon twitter: able to pin drop in Austin and drive with zero disengagements where FSD has never driven before. [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1463084004794638339](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1463084004794638339) Quote: I was able to do several zero takeover drives around Austin last night using random map pin drops (no Tesla has ever done these routes) | Zero disengagements sounds impressive if you aren t part of the beta. You can have a zero disengagement drive and the car can still do the following: * Constantly phantom brake * Completely stop for flashing yellow lights * Constantly change lanes for no good reason especially right before it s about to turn (why?) * Wait until the last minute to get in the correct lane or miss it entirely and reroute * Jerk the wheel back and forth trying to make a decision on how to proceed * Sit forever while it s completely clear before turning or never turn at all until pedal is applied * Ride down the middle of neighborhood roads with oncoming cars until the very last minute * Wait till the last minute to turn on the blinker or not turn it on at all * Drive 25 miles per hour (or more) through some parking lots * Block the middle of an intersection during heavy traffic * Creep uncomfortable far into the road for visibility before turning The people making some of these videos have to give zero f\\*\\*\\*s about the drivers around them so they can boast about zero disengagements. I don t know if that s good or bad. Plus notice how often they are sped up so the ugliness of what I mentioned above is masked intentional or not. Also you can t FEEL what the car is doing by watching these videos. Personally I don t like irritating or inconveniencing drivers around me so I intervene more often that I d like to. If no one is around that s a different story. I ll let the car do its thing. I appreciate the advancements to FSD and I m excited about the future but I say take these videos with a grain of salt. Plenty of other Youtubers (like Chuck) show the reality of FSD beta and I think those videos are much more fair and true to life. | Just because you don t disengage when FSD tries to kill you doesn t make it a good drive. | 584 | 12 | 9,136 |
r0b9vo | 419 | Elon twitter: able to pin drop in Austin and drive with zero disengagements where FSD has never driven before. [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1463084004794638339](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1463084004794638339) Quote: I was able to do several zero takeover drives around Austin last night using random map pin drops (no Tesla has ever done these routes) | Zero disengagements sounds impressive if you aren t part of the beta. You can have a zero disengagement drive and the car can still do the following: * Constantly phantom brake * Completely stop for flashing yellow lights * Constantly change lanes for no good reason especially right before it s about to turn (why?) * Wait until the last minute to get in the correct lane or miss it entirely and reroute * Jerk the wheel back and forth trying to make a decision on how to proceed * Sit forever while it s completely clear before turning or never turn at all until pedal is applied * Ride down the middle of neighborhood roads with oncoming cars until the very last minute * Wait till the last minute to turn on the blinker or not turn it on at all * Drive 25 miles per hour (or more) through some parking lots * Block the middle of an intersection during heavy traffic * Creep uncomfortable far into the road for visibility before turning The people making some of these videos have to give zero f\\*\\*\\*s about the drivers around them so they can boast about zero disengagements. I don t know if that s good or bad. Plus notice how often they are sped up so the ugliness of what I mentioned above is masked intentional or not. Also you can t FEEL what the car is doing by watching these videos. Personally I don t like irritating or inconveniencing drivers around me so I intervene more often that I d like to. If no one is around that s a different story. I ll let the car do its thing. I appreciate the advancements to FSD and I m excited about the future but I say take these videos with a grain of salt. Plenty of other Youtubers (like Chuck) show the reality of FSD beta and I think those videos are much more fair and true to life. | So they know everywhere it has driven... | 584 | 14 | 9,137 |
r0b9vo | 419 | Elon twitter: able to pin drop in Austin and drive with zero disengagements where FSD has never driven before. [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1463084004794638339](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1463084004794638339) Quote: I was able to do several zero takeover drives around Austin last night using random map pin drops (no Tesla has ever done these routes) | Zero disengagements sounds impressive if you aren t part of the beta. You can have a zero disengagement drive and the car can still do the following: * Constantly phantom brake * Completely stop for flashing yellow lights * Constantly change lanes for no good reason especially right before it s about to turn (why?) * Wait until the last minute to get in the correct lane or miss it entirely and reroute * Jerk the wheel back and forth trying to make a decision on how to proceed * Sit forever while it s completely clear before turning or never turn at all until pedal is applied * Ride down the middle of neighborhood roads with oncoming cars until the very last minute * Wait till the last minute to turn on the blinker or not turn it on at all * Drive 25 miles per hour (or more) through some parking lots * Block the middle of an intersection during heavy traffic * Creep uncomfortable far into the road for visibility before turning The people making some of these videos have to give zero f\\*\\*\\*s about the drivers around them so they can boast about zero disengagements. I don t know if that s good or bad. Plus notice how often they are sped up so the ugliness of what I mentioned above is masked intentional or not. Also you can t FEEL what the car is doing by watching these videos. Personally I don t like irritating or inconveniencing drivers around me so I intervene more often that I d like to. If no one is around that s a different story. I ll let the car do its thing. I appreciate the advancements to FSD and I m excited about the future but I say take these videos with a grain of salt. Plenty of other Youtubers (like Chuck) show the reality of FSD beta and I think those videos are much more fair and true to life. | Sure. | 584 | 43 | 9,138 |
r0vjsw | 141 | Two years as a Tesla owner - the good the bad and screw it I m hooked. Please bear with me as I m front-loading the negative (a positives list would be MUCH longer). My wife and I replaced my 2011 Ford Fusion with a Model 3 that we picked up September 2019 (LR AWD). The plan was for me to replace my car and then she d replace her 2011 Edge with a Model Y (or other crossover EV if anything was worthy) sometime after launch. My Model 3 had numerous issues at delivery. I honestly should have rejected it but I handled this in an emotional manner. I wanted it now. In just over 2 years of driving this car now has 52k miles on it. It s been to 8 service-center appointments. It is still not fixed from its delivery issues. It is by any reasonable person s estimation a lemon. I should have exercised my state s lemon laws while I was within the window to do so and I chose not to. That s on me. Without making this a long-winded rant here are some lingering issues that have yet to be fixed. * Car needs to be rebooted every 3rd or 4th drive due to jankiness and glitches with the UI. My favorite is when the car s arrow appears to fly over the map due to the compass not knowing what direction we re moving in. (with FSD beta the car cannot navigate a basic 4-way intersection without disengaging and this is not normal). * Car is LOUD. I thought that this was normal until I drove two Model 3 loaners during my various service-center visits. Mine just has next to no noise dampening of any kind. My favorite situation is our local touchless car wash. It gives verbal commands. My wife makes fun of me because she can t hear the commands from inside her Model Y but they are loud and clear from within my Model 3. Wind noise in this car sounds like all 4 windows are down when they are not. Not even close in my wife s Y or the loaner 3s we ve driven. * The rattles. We ve spent 2 years with Tesla s techs diagnosing and fixing rattles and to their credit most are gone. I can actually get a reasonably quiet ride sometimes. The car s windows will chatter over rougher roads though. It definitely does not feel like a quality-built car. Neither loaner was like this. Mine is the exception not the rule. * The acceleration and regenerative braking had always felt too stiff. I thought that this was normal. But the difference was quickly noticeable to both my wife and myself with those loaners (which were not in chill mode surprisingly). Both of those cars LR AWDs like mine but a year older had acceleration and braking that was smoother more predictable and just more fun. Like I can t 1-pedal drive into a red light or stop sign to save my life with my car but it was second nature with those loaners. I brought this up and was told it was within spec. Alright now that the bad is out of the way let s talk about the good. Remember my wife s plan to eventually replace her Ford Edge with a crossover EV? Yea she stole my car. I drove ~8k miles annually in my Fusion. She drove ~15k in her Edge. We have 52k miles in that Model 3 over 2 years and 2 months. It s been a blast. We sold her car to Carmax once trade-in values spiked and went down to one car for awhile. When it came time to get a new EV for her she test drove everything we could find in the US. I-Pace ID.4 Mach-E XC40 Recharge and I think a couple others but those were the notables. Her mindset was that she wanted to avoid all the issues that we had with our Model 3. In the end none compared to the Model Y. It wasn t really close. And the Model Y that we got was damn near flawless (September 2021 delivery late-August build). If we hadn t been trained by Tesla to look for flaws we wouldn t have seen any (and we only found one of note and it was minor and easily corrected). And as harsh as I ve been about my car (wouldn t you?) I am sane enough to realize that: 1. I have some culpability for not rejecting it not returning within 7 days as I had the option and not using my state s lemon law within 12 months. 2. My experience with my Model 3 is not the norm or even close to it. Our plan right now subject to other factors is to take advantage of the current obscene trade-in values and get a new Model 3 LR AWD. The odds are in my favor of not getting one like my current one and I d get a new car for myself something I didn t get when my wife co-opted our first one. I just don t see any other options for my preferred vehicle category. I test drove the Polestar 2 twice and that s just not it (amazing car btw and well worth a look). The A4 e-Tron is 3-4 years away at least and for those who don t know the A3 A4 are famous for their interior rattles so that s not going to solve one of my chief concerns. And when I trade mine in for a new Model 3 there s some expected satisfaction from me telling Tesla my trade-in s quality is within spec. My stance on Tesla as I ve mentioned in a few comments over the last few months is that when a company is relatively new to a field (compare their age to that of the incumbents) and their main problem is ramping up production to satisfy ever increasing (exploding!) demand the categories of service and initial quality are what is expected to lag the industry. I suspect that this problem will continue (with periodic improvements) as Tesla continues to go through growing pains. I do not expect to see meaningful quality and service improvements until Tesla can satisfy demand. Part of that is on Tesla scaling production and part of that is on the rest of the auto industry waking up and building appealing EVs to steal some of that demand. So when I m asked for my recommendation for a car my recommendation of Tesla is always they re great but... or in other words the same recommendation I d give anyone for any brand since none are perfect. It s just that I get to be noticeably more enthusiastic about the parts that precedes the but when discussing Tesla because even their worst lemon is so much fun to drive that I ultimately want another. | This is what emotional sobriety sounds like | I m even more excited for my model x now. Thanks...? I think lol. Ive been waiting what feels like forever. | 80 | 19 | 9,139 |
r0vjsw | 141 | Two years as a Tesla owner - the good the bad and screw it I m hooked. Please bear with me as I m front-loading the negative (a positives list would be MUCH longer). My wife and I replaced my 2011 Ford Fusion with a Model 3 that we picked up September 2019 (LR AWD). The plan was for me to replace my car and then she d replace her 2011 Edge with a Model Y (or other crossover EV if anything was worthy) sometime after launch. My Model 3 had numerous issues at delivery. I honestly should have rejected it but I handled this in an emotional manner. I wanted it now. In just over 2 years of driving this car now has 52k miles on it. It s been to 8 service-center appointments. It is still not fixed from its delivery issues. It is by any reasonable person s estimation a lemon. I should have exercised my state s lemon laws while I was within the window to do so and I chose not to. That s on me. Without making this a long-winded rant here are some lingering issues that have yet to be fixed. * Car needs to be rebooted every 3rd or 4th drive due to jankiness and glitches with the UI. My favorite is when the car s arrow appears to fly over the map due to the compass not knowing what direction we re moving in. (with FSD beta the car cannot navigate a basic 4-way intersection without disengaging and this is not normal). * Car is LOUD. I thought that this was normal until I drove two Model 3 loaners during my various service-center visits. Mine just has next to no noise dampening of any kind. My favorite situation is our local touchless car wash. It gives verbal commands. My wife makes fun of me because she can t hear the commands from inside her Model Y but they are loud and clear from within my Model 3. Wind noise in this car sounds like all 4 windows are down when they are not. Not even close in my wife s Y or the loaner 3s we ve driven. * The rattles. We ve spent 2 years with Tesla s techs diagnosing and fixing rattles and to their credit most are gone. I can actually get a reasonably quiet ride sometimes. The car s windows will chatter over rougher roads though. It definitely does not feel like a quality-built car. Neither loaner was like this. Mine is the exception not the rule. * The acceleration and regenerative braking had always felt too stiff. I thought that this was normal. But the difference was quickly noticeable to both my wife and myself with those loaners (which were not in chill mode surprisingly). Both of those cars LR AWDs like mine but a year older had acceleration and braking that was smoother more predictable and just more fun. Like I can t 1-pedal drive into a red light or stop sign to save my life with my car but it was second nature with those loaners. I brought this up and was told it was within spec. Alright now that the bad is out of the way let s talk about the good. Remember my wife s plan to eventually replace her Ford Edge with a crossover EV? Yea she stole my car. I drove ~8k miles annually in my Fusion. She drove ~15k in her Edge. We have 52k miles in that Model 3 over 2 years and 2 months. It s been a blast. We sold her car to Carmax once trade-in values spiked and went down to one car for awhile. When it came time to get a new EV for her she test drove everything we could find in the US. I-Pace ID.4 Mach-E XC40 Recharge and I think a couple others but those were the notables. Her mindset was that she wanted to avoid all the issues that we had with our Model 3. In the end none compared to the Model Y. It wasn t really close. And the Model Y that we got was damn near flawless (September 2021 delivery late-August build). If we hadn t been trained by Tesla to look for flaws we wouldn t have seen any (and we only found one of note and it was minor and easily corrected). And as harsh as I ve been about my car (wouldn t you?) I am sane enough to realize that: 1. I have some culpability for not rejecting it not returning within 7 days as I had the option and not using my state s lemon law within 12 months. 2. My experience with my Model 3 is not the norm or even close to it. Our plan right now subject to other factors is to take advantage of the current obscene trade-in values and get a new Model 3 LR AWD. The odds are in my favor of not getting one like my current one and I d get a new car for myself something I didn t get when my wife co-opted our first one. I just don t see any other options for my preferred vehicle category. I test drove the Polestar 2 twice and that s just not it (amazing car btw and well worth a look). The A4 e-Tron is 3-4 years away at least and for those who don t know the A3 A4 are famous for their interior rattles so that s not going to solve one of my chief concerns. And when I trade mine in for a new Model 3 there s some expected satisfaction from me telling Tesla my trade-in s quality is within spec. My stance on Tesla as I ve mentioned in a few comments over the last few months is that when a company is relatively new to a field (compare their age to that of the incumbents) and their main problem is ramping up production to satisfy ever increasing (exploding!) demand the categories of service and initial quality are what is expected to lag the industry. I suspect that this problem will continue (with periodic improvements) as Tesla continues to go through growing pains. I do not expect to see meaningful quality and service improvements until Tesla can satisfy demand. Part of that is on Tesla scaling production and part of that is on the rest of the auto industry waking up and building appealing EVs to steal some of that demand. So when I m asked for my recommendation for a car my recommendation of Tesla is always they re great but... or in other words the same recommendation I d give anyone for any brand since none are perfect. It s just that I get to be noticeably more enthusiastic about the parts that precedes the but when discussing Tesla because even their worst lemon is so much fun to drive that I ultimately want another. | This is what emotional sobriety sounds like | Now this is a write up for a high quality post. Good job. | 80 | 24 | 9,140 |
r1mmna | 47 | Leaving the car for 2 months How much should I charge before I leave? I live in apartment so dont have access to home charger. Question above | A Model 3 with sentry and cabin overheat protection disabled will lose about 2% charge per week. If you leave with it charged at 80% you should expect it to be a bit above 60% upon your return. Just make sure that you don t have apps on your phone or computer that keep waking up the car. Park the car navigate to Controls > Safety & Security and select “Power Off”. When you return you ll want to unlock it with a key card and you power on the car by pressing the brake pedal. It will take a couple of minutes for the car systems to reboot. If it s very cold it might be a good idea to turn on the heat and give the car a good 10 minutes to warm up before you drive it. | Lithium battery long time storage should be at 50%. On a car a starting charge of 50% would mean charge is likely to reach 0% before you are back. I would advise against charging any Tesla battery (except the LFP) over 80% knowing that the car will be stationary. You don t want that much charge in a car you re not going to use. So the safest suggestion within your parameters (60 days absence nobody can charge the car while you re away and winter) would be 80. | 105 | 2 | 9,141 |
r1mmna | 47 | Leaving the car for 2 months How much should I charge before I leave? I live in apartment so dont have access to home charger. Question above | A Model 3 with sentry and cabin overheat protection disabled will lose about 2% charge per week. If you leave with it charged at 80% you should expect it to be a bit above 60% upon your return. Just make sure that you don t have apps on your phone or computer that keep waking up the car. Park the car navigate to Controls > Safety & Security and select “Power Off”. When you return you ll want to unlock it with a key card and you power on the car by pressing the brake pedal. It will take a couple of minutes for the car systems to reboot. If it s very cold it might be a good idea to turn on the heat and give the car a good 10 minutes to warm up before you drive it. | 90%. Turn off: cabin overheat protection SentryMode and Smart Summon Standby. Minimize checking Tesla app. | 105 | 7 | 9,142 |
r1mmna | 47 | Leaving the car for 2 months How much should I charge before I leave? I live in apartment so dont have access to home charger. Question above | A Model 3 with sentry and cabin overheat protection disabled will lose about 2% charge per week. If you leave with it charged at 80% you should expect it to be a bit above 60% upon your return. Just make sure that you don t have apps on your phone or computer that keep waking up the car. Park the car navigate to Controls > Safety & Security and select “Power Off”. When you return you ll want to unlock it with a key card and you power on the car by pressing the brake pedal. It will take a couple of minutes for the car systems to reboot. If it s very cold it might be a good idea to turn on the heat and give the car a good 10 minutes to warm up before you drive it. | What “car”? 2013S or 2022Y? | 105 | 11 | 9,143 |
r1padg | 906 | Model S Plaid going 200mph now requires paid hardware upgrades. This was modified on Tesla s site this evening in the description. It used to say The indicated Plaid top speed requires proper wheels and tires which will be available in Fall 2021.” Now it says: Top Speed 200mph when equipped with paid hardware upgrades. Given Motortrend said this: “According to Tesla the wheels and tires necessary for 200 mph are available on the Plaid now but what isn t is a software update needed to hit said speeds.” [https: www.motortrend.com news tesla-model-s-plaid-200-mph ](https: www.motortrend.com news tesla-model-s-plaid-200-mph ) I imagine it s not a coincidence that this page change comes alongside the new $20k carbon ceramic brake listing... | Weren t people promised this speed when buying the car? It was already advertised as possible and sold with those numbers listed. Now they want you to pay more so you can get the top speed you thought you already paid for? This is just shady man idc how much the car costs idc how little this money is to someone that can afford a car that costs that much. The plaid without any upgrades was advertised to do that speed and people bought it expecting that speed. That s end of story they should just get the upgrade for free. That is literal false advertising man… if I had a plaid I d be pissed. | Now how am I supposed to get to church on time? | 782 | 5 | 9,144 |
r1padg | 906 | Model S Plaid going 200mph now requires paid hardware upgrades. This was modified on Tesla s site this evening in the description. It used to say The indicated Plaid top speed requires proper wheels and tires which will be available in Fall 2021.” Now it says: Top Speed 200mph when equipped with paid hardware upgrades. Given Motortrend said this: “According to Tesla the wheels and tires necessary for 200 mph are available on the Plaid now but what isn t is a software update needed to hit said speeds.” [https: www.motortrend.com news tesla-model-s-plaid-200-mph ](https: www.motortrend.com news tesla-model-s-plaid-200-mph ) I imagine it s not a coincidence that this page change comes alongside the new $20k carbon ceramic brake listing... | Weren t people promised this speed when buying the car? It was already advertised as possible and sold with those numbers listed. Now they want you to pay more so you can get the top speed you thought you already paid for? This is just shady man idc how much the car costs idc how little this money is to someone that can afford a car that costs that much. The plaid without any upgrades was advertised to do that speed and people bought it expecting that speed. That s end of story they should just get the upgrade for free. That is literal false advertising man… if I had a plaid I d be pissed. | ...so I can go 199 mph without all that crap? | 782 | 5 | 9,145 |
r1padg | 906 | Model S Plaid going 200mph now requires paid hardware upgrades. This was modified on Tesla s site this evening in the description. It used to say The indicated Plaid top speed requires proper wheels and tires which will be available in Fall 2021.” Now it says: Top Speed 200mph when equipped with paid hardware upgrades. Given Motortrend said this: “According to Tesla the wheels and tires necessary for 200 mph are available on the Plaid now but what isn t is a software update needed to hit said speeds.” [https: www.motortrend.com news tesla-model-s-plaid-200-mph ](https: www.motortrend.com news tesla-model-s-plaid-200-mph ) I imagine it s not a coincidence that this page change comes alongside the new $20k carbon ceramic brake listing... | Weren t people promised this speed when buying the car? It was already advertised as possible and sold with those numbers listed. Now they want you to pay more so you can get the top speed you thought you already paid for? This is just shady man idc how much the car costs idc how little this money is to someone that can afford a car that costs that much. The plaid without any upgrades was advertised to do that speed and people bought it expecting that speed. That s end of story they should just get the upgrade for free. That is literal false advertising man… if I had a plaid I d be pissed. | Cannonball with a Tesla incoming soon? | 782 | 9 | 9,146 |
r1zbc9 | 21 | Wondering what people use to track efficiency charging data and other data points. I m currently using TezLab and it seems to get the data I need. Currently it s $5 month so reasonable price too. Anyone else using TezLab or having luck with another app? | Teslamate on a raspberry pi is free. | I use TeslaFi and it s also $5 month. I ve never looked at TezLab so I don t know how the two apps are different but I am so pleased with TeslaFi. My favorite feature is the lifetime map | 50 | 18 | 9,147 |
r22h1o | 68 | Model 3 Heated Steering Wheel upgrade retrofit? Does anyone know if how it s possible to get the newer 3& Y heated steering wheel on an older model year Model 3? (mine is a 2021 LFP 3 SR+ for reference) I ve heard it could possibly be a software upgrade but I haven t seen anything on the app other than the FSD and rear heated seats. Would I just have to call and schedule a service to pay for a new heated steering wheel and have it installed? It s starting to get cold here where I live and I d love to have the heated steering wheel (along with many others I m sure!) Any insight would be great appreciated! **EDIT**: [IT S HAPPENING!](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments r7sib4 you_can_now_pay_for_heated_seats_and_steering ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x& context=3) | I have mobile service coming out on Tuesday to diagnose why my drivers seat heater isn t working and plan on asking about this retrofit. I ll post back here on what they tell me | Not that I know of but would like to have this on my Jan ‘21 M3LR. | 84 | 10 | 9,148 |
r22h1o | 68 | Model 3 Heated Steering Wheel upgrade retrofit? Does anyone know if how it s possible to get the newer 3& Y heated steering wheel on an older model year Model 3? (mine is a 2021 LFP 3 SR+ for reference) I ve heard it could possibly be a software upgrade but I haven t seen anything on the app other than the FSD and rear heated seats. Would I just have to call and schedule a service to pay for a new heated steering wheel and have it installed? It s starting to get cold here where I live and I d love to have the heated steering wheel (along with many others I m sure!) Any insight would be great appreciated! **EDIT**: [IT S HAPPENING!](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments r7sib4 you_can_now_pay_for_heated_seats_and_steering ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x& context=3) | I have mobile service coming out on Tuesday to diagnose why my drivers seat heater isn t working and plan on asking about this retrofit. I ll post back here on what they tell me | Physically yes you can install it. However Tesla won t let their service techs enable the software to turn it on. I don t believe they can even attempt to other than tell you that it s software disabled. | 84 | 32 | 9,149 |
r2iuqb | 372 | Model 3 Fact-Finding – Testing the Cold Weather Improvements in 2021.40.x The phrase *cold weather improvements* has become somewhat of a [running](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments p17rvx software_update_beamed_from_2024 h8bqctg ) [gag](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments om4mf3 tesla_has_delivered_zero_new_software_features_in h5izbbd ) around here ever since it appeared in [2021.4.12](https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates version 2021.4.12 release-notes) and continued showing up in 2021.4.x release notes well into June July. If you don t know what it entailed the biggest change was observed starting in [2021.4.11](https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates version 2021.4.11 release-notes) as [increased regen in cold weather](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ly0rso 2021411_allowing_full_regen_in_cold_weather gps5rvc ). Compared to the [cold weather data I d collected](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments kq39dy model_3_factfinding_winter_edition_effects_of gi1nq0b ?context=10000) on 2020.x firmware at the start of last winter the changes in 2021.4.11 resulted in about [50% more regen](https: imgur.com JY1s82K) at any given temperature & SoC and a reduction in battery temperature required for peak regen by as much as 6°C. This combined with the [battery heating cutoffs](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments kq39dy model_3_factfinding_winter_edition_effects_of gi1ne0k ?context=10000) at the time meant that preconditioning your cold car simply by charging it would be enough to net you at least half regen at around 80% SoC while preconditioning the cabin for an (albeit ample) amount of time all but guaranteed full regen was available at the start of your drive during even the coldest winter day. Glorious times were bestowed upon all winter owners. Fast forward to a few weeks ago and the cold temperatures are starting to creep in at nights again. I d started to notice the seasonal pattern of the regen bar showing dots again at the beginning of drives despite my usual charging to 80% and preconditioning habits. A new feature in the upcoming [2021.40 release notes](https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates version 2021.40 release-notes) caught my eye: > Cold Weather Improvements > > You can now enable front defrost and maintain your climate settings when clearing ice and snow. As usual tap the fan icon and select Keep Climate On when parked. > > **Additionally when using climate controls on the Tesla App automatic battery pre-conditioning has been optimized to consume less energy.** Optimized to consume less energy?. But my car s the 2018 version of Model 3 without the heatpump it generates [waste heat in the stators](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments kq39dy model_3_factfinding_winter_edition_effects_of gi1n9sq ) to heat the coolant loop and then run the warm coolant through the battery. Surely no such means of optimization exists beyond just lowering the heater cutoff temperature I pondered. So I set out to measure the change and that s exactly what they did. [For reference here s the heating curve from late last year on 2020.44.10](https: i.imgur.com 1V6a0YZ.png) (before the regen increase). Heating the battery by preconditioning the cabin resulted in a battery heater cutoff temperature of around 19-20°C and a final stabilized pack temperature of about 22-23°C. In addition to the power consumed heating in the cabin the battery heating mechanism in the stators consumes 7 kW in my dual-motor car and after an initial few minutes of warming up motors and coolant loop heats my [480 kg](https: cleantechnica.com 2018 07 08 tesla-model-3-chevy-bolt-battery-packs-examined ) LR battery pack at a steady 9.75°C every 15 minutes. This means that a car left to cold-soak at around the freezing point used to take about 30-35 minutes to precondition the battery and consume 3.5-4.1 kWh in the process (not including the power to heat the cabin). [When measured a couple weeks ago on 2021.36 firmware](https: i.imgur.com 8ytMcKW.png) the heating curve cutoff temperature had dropped to around 13-14°C and final average pack temperature stabilized around 17-18°C approximately 5°C lower than it was on last year s firmware but owing to the increased regen profile from 2021.4.11 this optimization shaves about 7.5 minutes and 0.9 kWh off of the previous battery preconditioning energy consumption behavior from a year ago (assuming you let your car fully precondition) with no noticeable decrease in regen availability. [When measured again on 2021.40.6 firmware](https: i.imgur.com 90xftKt.png) the heating curve cutoff temperature is now around 7-8°C and stabilizes at around 10-11°C. This further optimization is an additional 6-7°C drop in cutoff temperature and roughly saves an additional 9 minutes and 1.1 kWh for the car to consider the battery fully conditioned however this time it results in noticeably less available regen for the battery to be capable of accepting. Heating speed and power consumption of the PTC cabin heater remains unchanged. Anecdotally in testing immediately after applying the latest firmware I observed noticeably weakened regen when slowing down from highway speeds the first time with the regen bar dots indicating I was still only getting around half of maximum regen even after 15 minutes of preconditioning and 30 minutes of highway driving. It was still a manageable experience but required unanticipated application of physical brakes since my estimation of stopping distance was not yet calibrated to the new behavior. Reliably strong and consistent regen braking behavior is the utopia of the one-pedal driving experience and with the previous preconditioning curves of 2021.36 I feel that Tesla had it just right for cold weather optimization. With this latest optimization I believe they shot a little too low in the name of saving energy and we ve lost some of that consistency that came with preconditioning your car in cold weather. | Other cold weather improvements: * Footwell heater now blasts your feat with enough heat to melt off your shoes * Preconditioning for super charging starts 200 miles away from the charger while you still have 90% charge | Any idea why my M3 now doesn t close the driver s window all the way. It s winter here and was very cold the last couple days. Is it to prevent glass freezing to frame so door opens easily? I have to get in then lower window halfway then close it to get a seal. | 39 | 2 | 9,150 |
r2iuqb | 372 | Model 3 Fact-Finding – Testing the Cold Weather Improvements in 2021.40.x The phrase *cold weather improvements* has become somewhat of a [running](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments p17rvx software_update_beamed_from_2024 h8bqctg ) [gag](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments om4mf3 tesla_has_delivered_zero_new_software_features_in h5izbbd ) around here ever since it appeared in [2021.4.12](https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates version 2021.4.12 release-notes) and continued showing up in 2021.4.x release notes well into June July. If you don t know what it entailed the biggest change was observed starting in [2021.4.11](https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates version 2021.4.11 release-notes) as [increased regen in cold weather](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ly0rso 2021411_allowing_full_regen_in_cold_weather gps5rvc ). Compared to the [cold weather data I d collected](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments kq39dy model_3_factfinding_winter_edition_effects_of gi1nq0b ?context=10000) on 2020.x firmware at the start of last winter the changes in 2021.4.11 resulted in about [50% more regen](https: imgur.com JY1s82K) at any given temperature & SoC and a reduction in battery temperature required for peak regen by as much as 6°C. This combined with the [battery heating cutoffs](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments kq39dy model_3_factfinding_winter_edition_effects_of gi1ne0k ?context=10000) at the time meant that preconditioning your cold car simply by charging it would be enough to net you at least half regen at around 80% SoC while preconditioning the cabin for an (albeit ample) amount of time all but guaranteed full regen was available at the start of your drive during even the coldest winter day. Glorious times were bestowed upon all winter owners. Fast forward to a few weeks ago and the cold temperatures are starting to creep in at nights again. I d started to notice the seasonal pattern of the regen bar showing dots again at the beginning of drives despite my usual charging to 80% and preconditioning habits. A new feature in the upcoming [2021.40 release notes](https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates version 2021.40 release-notes) caught my eye: > Cold Weather Improvements > > You can now enable front defrost and maintain your climate settings when clearing ice and snow. As usual tap the fan icon and select Keep Climate On when parked. > > **Additionally when using climate controls on the Tesla App automatic battery pre-conditioning has been optimized to consume less energy.** Optimized to consume less energy?. But my car s the 2018 version of Model 3 without the heatpump it generates [waste heat in the stators](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments kq39dy model_3_factfinding_winter_edition_effects_of gi1n9sq ) to heat the coolant loop and then run the warm coolant through the battery. Surely no such means of optimization exists beyond just lowering the heater cutoff temperature I pondered. So I set out to measure the change and that s exactly what they did. [For reference here s the heating curve from late last year on 2020.44.10](https: i.imgur.com 1V6a0YZ.png) (before the regen increase). Heating the battery by preconditioning the cabin resulted in a battery heater cutoff temperature of around 19-20°C and a final stabilized pack temperature of about 22-23°C. In addition to the power consumed heating in the cabin the battery heating mechanism in the stators consumes 7 kW in my dual-motor car and after an initial few minutes of warming up motors and coolant loop heats my [480 kg](https: cleantechnica.com 2018 07 08 tesla-model-3-chevy-bolt-battery-packs-examined ) LR battery pack at a steady 9.75°C every 15 minutes. This means that a car left to cold-soak at around the freezing point used to take about 30-35 minutes to precondition the battery and consume 3.5-4.1 kWh in the process (not including the power to heat the cabin). [When measured a couple weeks ago on 2021.36 firmware](https: i.imgur.com 8ytMcKW.png) the heating curve cutoff temperature had dropped to around 13-14°C and final average pack temperature stabilized around 17-18°C approximately 5°C lower than it was on last year s firmware but owing to the increased regen profile from 2021.4.11 this optimization shaves about 7.5 minutes and 0.9 kWh off of the previous battery preconditioning energy consumption behavior from a year ago (assuming you let your car fully precondition) with no noticeable decrease in regen availability. [When measured again on 2021.40.6 firmware](https: i.imgur.com 90xftKt.png) the heating curve cutoff temperature is now around 7-8°C and stabilizes at around 10-11°C. This further optimization is an additional 6-7°C drop in cutoff temperature and roughly saves an additional 9 minutes and 1.1 kWh for the car to consider the battery fully conditioned however this time it results in noticeably less available regen for the battery to be capable of accepting. Heating speed and power consumption of the PTC cabin heater remains unchanged. Anecdotally in testing immediately after applying the latest firmware I observed noticeably weakened regen when slowing down from highway speeds the first time with the regen bar dots indicating I was still only getting around half of maximum regen even after 15 minutes of preconditioning and 30 minutes of highway driving. It was still a manageable experience but required unanticipated application of physical brakes since my estimation of stopping distance was not yet calibrated to the new behavior. Reliably strong and consistent regen braking behavior is the utopia of the one-pedal driving experience and with the previous preconditioning curves of 2021.36 I feel that Tesla had it just right for cold weather optimization. With this latest optimization I believe they shot a little too low in the name of saving energy and we ve lost some of that consistency that came with preconditioning your car in cold weather. | Other cold weather improvements: * Footwell heater now blasts your feat with enough heat to melt off your shoes * Preconditioning for super charging starts 200 miles away from the charger while you still have 90% charge | Excellent write up! | 39 | 2 | 9,151 |
r2iuqb | 372 | Model 3 Fact-Finding – Testing the Cold Weather Improvements in 2021.40.x The phrase *cold weather improvements* has become somewhat of a [running](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments p17rvx software_update_beamed_from_2024 h8bqctg ) [gag](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments om4mf3 tesla_has_delivered_zero_new_software_features_in h5izbbd ) around here ever since it appeared in [2021.4.12](https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates version 2021.4.12 release-notes) and continued showing up in 2021.4.x release notes well into June July. If you don t know what it entailed the biggest change was observed starting in [2021.4.11](https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates version 2021.4.11 release-notes) as [increased regen in cold weather](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ly0rso 2021411_allowing_full_regen_in_cold_weather gps5rvc ). Compared to the [cold weather data I d collected](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments kq39dy model_3_factfinding_winter_edition_effects_of gi1nq0b ?context=10000) on 2020.x firmware at the start of last winter the changes in 2021.4.11 resulted in about [50% more regen](https: imgur.com JY1s82K) at any given temperature & SoC and a reduction in battery temperature required for peak regen by as much as 6°C. This combined with the [battery heating cutoffs](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments kq39dy model_3_factfinding_winter_edition_effects_of gi1ne0k ?context=10000) at the time meant that preconditioning your cold car simply by charging it would be enough to net you at least half regen at around 80% SoC while preconditioning the cabin for an (albeit ample) amount of time all but guaranteed full regen was available at the start of your drive during even the coldest winter day. Glorious times were bestowed upon all winter owners. Fast forward to a few weeks ago and the cold temperatures are starting to creep in at nights again. I d started to notice the seasonal pattern of the regen bar showing dots again at the beginning of drives despite my usual charging to 80% and preconditioning habits. A new feature in the upcoming [2021.40 release notes](https: www.notateslaapp.com software-updates version 2021.40 release-notes) caught my eye: > Cold Weather Improvements > > You can now enable front defrost and maintain your climate settings when clearing ice and snow. As usual tap the fan icon and select Keep Climate On when parked. > > **Additionally when using climate controls on the Tesla App automatic battery pre-conditioning has been optimized to consume less energy.** Optimized to consume less energy?. But my car s the 2018 version of Model 3 without the heatpump it generates [waste heat in the stators](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments kq39dy model_3_factfinding_winter_edition_effects_of gi1n9sq ) to heat the coolant loop and then run the warm coolant through the battery. Surely no such means of optimization exists beyond just lowering the heater cutoff temperature I pondered. So I set out to measure the change and that s exactly what they did. [For reference here s the heating curve from late last year on 2020.44.10](https: i.imgur.com 1V6a0YZ.png) (before the regen increase). Heating the battery by preconditioning the cabin resulted in a battery heater cutoff temperature of around 19-20°C and a final stabilized pack temperature of about 22-23°C. In addition to the power consumed heating in the cabin the battery heating mechanism in the stators consumes 7 kW in my dual-motor car and after an initial few minutes of warming up motors and coolant loop heats my [480 kg](https: cleantechnica.com 2018 07 08 tesla-model-3-chevy-bolt-battery-packs-examined ) LR battery pack at a steady 9.75°C every 15 minutes. This means that a car left to cold-soak at around the freezing point used to take about 30-35 minutes to precondition the battery and consume 3.5-4.1 kWh in the process (not including the power to heat the cabin). [When measured a couple weeks ago on 2021.36 firmware](https: i.imgur.com 8ytMcKW.png) the heating curve cutoff temperature had dropped to around 13-14°C and final average pack temperature stabilized around 17-18°C approximately 5°C lower than it was on last year s firmware but owing to the increased regen profile from 2021.4.11 this optimization shaves about 7.5 minutes and 0.9 kWh off of the previous battery preconditioning energy consumption behavior from a year ago (assuming you let your car fully precondition) with no noticeable decrease in regen availability. [When measured again on 2021.40.6 firmware](https: i.imgur.com 90xftKt.png) the heating curve cutoff temperature is now around 7-8°C and stabilizes at around 10-11°C. This further optimization is an additional 6-7°C drop in cutoff temperature and roughly saves an additional 9 minutes and 1.1 kWh for the car to consider the battery fully conditioned however this time it results in noticeably less available regen for the battery to be capable of accepting. Heating speed and power consumption of the PTC cabin heater remains unchanged. Anecdotally in testing immediately after applying the latest firmware I observed noticeably weakened regen when slowing down from highway speeds the first time with the regen bar dots indicating I was still only getting around half of maximum regen even after 15 minutes of preconditioning and 30 minutes of highway driving. It was still a manageable experience but required unanticipated application of physical brakes since my estimation of stopping distance was not yet calibrated to the new behavior. Reliably strong and consistent regen braking behavior is the utopia of the one-pedal driving experience and with the previous preconditioning curves of 2021.36 I feel that Tesla had it just right for cold weather optimization. With this latest optimization I believe they shot a little too low in the name of saving energy and we ve lost some of that consistency that came with preconditioning your car in cold weather. | Other cold weather improvements: * Footwell heater now blasts your feat with enough heat to melt off your shoes * Preconditioning for super charging starts 200 miles away from the charger while you still have 90% charge | Thank you for your time great conclusion. | 39 | 3 | 9,152 |
r2rh4f | 326 | Tesla delivered more cars than GMC Lexus VW BMW Mercedes and more in Q3 2021. Deliveries will only rise as production capacity grows. This is what the EV tipping point looks like! [https: cleantechnica.com 2021 10 18 tesla-now-selling-more-vehicles-in-usa-than-lexus-volkswagen-mercedes-bmw-many-others ](https: cleantechnica.com 2021 10 18 tesla-now-selling-more-vehicles-in-usa-than-lexus-volkswagen-mercedes-bmw-many-others ) | Mary Barra unimpressed. You know GM leads the EV movement right? s | How are they going to do in Q4 with the Build Back Better bill on the horizon? My delivery is December 1-7 and I asked my agent if there is any incentive to take delivery in Q4 vs waiting till January and she let me know there is no incentive. $8000.00 to wait 30 more days doesn t sound like a big deal to me I think I can wait. | 40 | 4 | 9,153 |
r2rh4f | 326 | Tesla delivered more cars than GMC Lexus VW BMW Mercedes and more in Q3 2021. Deliveries will only rise as production capacity grows. This is what the EV tipping point looks like! [https: cleantechnica.com 2021 10 18 tesla-now-selling-more-vehicles-in-usa-than-lexus-volkswagen-mercedes-bmw-many-others ](https: cleantechnica.com 2021 10 18 tesla-now-selling-more-vehicles-in-usa-than-lexus-volkswagen-mercedes-bmw-many-others ) | Mary Barra unimpressed. You know GM leads the EV movement right? s | People often question the “inflated” value of the stock and yet they front run mostly every metric of what conventional automaker. Elon has even stated that Tesla s secret sauce isn t the EV but it s production method. When one auto maker is out performing the rest of market combined it becomes more and more believable | 40 | 5 | 9,154 |
r2rh4f | 326 | Tesla delivered more cars than GMC Lexus VW BMW Mercedes and more in Q3 2021. Deliveries will only rise as production capacity grows. This is what the EV tipping point looks like! [https: cleantechnica.com 2021 10 18 tesla-now-selling-more-vehicles-in-usa-than-lexus-volkswagen-mercedes-bmw-many-others ](https: cleantechnica.com 2021 10 18 tesla-now-selling-more-vehicles-in-usa-than-lexus-volkswagen-mercedes-bmw-many-others ) | Mary Barra unimpressed. You know GM leads the EV movement right? s | Who the hell buys a jeep. Terrible terrible vehicles. Edit changed keep to keep. Would much rather have a keep than jeep even with the cost of mercenaries lol | 40 | 11 | 9,155 |
r2w1d1 | 364 | China MYP appears to include at least 3 significant improvements According to various users who have taken delivery 1. AMD graphics SoC card replacing Intel Atom for infotainment 2. 12 V lithium-ion auxiliary battery replaces 12 V lead acid battery 3. Double laminated glass on the rear windows as well as the front windows More info about these improvements can be found here EDIT. @JayinShanhai confirms it is a 12 V not 16 V in this case. https: insideevs.com news 550716 china-tesla-modely-performance-tech | I m curious if we will be able to pay to upgrade the system on existing cars. That would be neat but I m sure they can t produce enough cards at this point to do it. | It d be interesting to see a comparison between the old and new infotainment graphics cards | 45 | 16 | 9,156 |
r35s76 | 63 | Music getting better on USB? With 2021.40.6 I was happy that cover art for songs on my USB stick (FLACs and mp3s) is finally working! Way to go thank you! But art from the first album played stays on the dash screen during all other songs while the bigger screen changes album art correctly to the currently playing song. Also assuming everyone has the same problem that songs on USB sticks don t resume where they left off when you get back in the car I ve noticed if you open and close the back doors (like when kids get in first) then get in the driver s seat the song often resumes (as it should). What s the deal? This is a small but super annoying bug. | Tesla found out that only 49% of all users are using USB music so they stopped developing any new features or bugfixes. | What I hate is that when I m playing off USB leave and come back to the car it always goes back to the Spotify screen even though I m not logged into Spotify and wasn t even using Spotify earlier. Also in the theme of Tesla not caring about music playback could they please add support for changing playlists over Bluetooth like every other modern car can. It s ridiculous not to support that. But Tesla demand is high stock is ridiculously high so they couldn t care less about this stuff. But they add fart sounds and force the FSD advertisement (visualization) on us with no way to turn it off. | 46 | 8 | 9,157 |
r364ip | 53 | FSD passing lane woes Anyone else having issues with FSD keeping you in the left passing lane of a two lane state highway? Been traveling this week and put over a thousand miles on the car with 80-90% of it on FSD. I had several times where I was on a 4 lane non-interstate highway (two lanes on each side with divider between them) and the car refused to stay in the right lane. It constantly wanted to switch into the left lane and stay there. I just wanted to drive in the right lane but if I engaged FSD it would always immediately switch into the passing lane and stay there. If I signaled to go back to the right lane it would switch back like 15 seconds later. It drove me crazy. I thought in one case it was because I had a left turn coming up 60 miles ahead but then it did it again on another highway where I had a right hand exit 20 miles up. I kept switching to the right lane to let traffic go by me but then it would just change back into the passing lane. It did it several times as traffic was coming up on me quickly and I had to abort. Man it was more frustrating than the phantom braking and I ended up disengaging for several stretches due to it. I haven t seen anyone else mentioning it but I can t be the only one. Anyone else getting forced to stay in the passing lane while on FSD? I reported it like a couple dozen times and I hope they fix it soon. | Thanks for posting. I had the exact same thing happen. FSD 10.5 kept attempting to get back in the left lane every 60-90 seconds and the turn was 60+ miles away. I logged via the camera icon about 6 of these occurrences. Eventually it became so irritating that I disabled FSD and just went back to autopilot. | iirc I believe the assertive setting will cause you to stay in the passing lane. | 30 | 4 | 9,158 |
r36zm8 | 40 | What method does the app use to talk to the car? I had a bit of an incident with my Tesla Model 3. Normally the Tesla app is paired with the key card and everything works great. I went to an event in a location with very bad cell connectivity to begin with and a million people around which made it even worse. As a result when trying to open the vehicle the app had a very tough time connecting to the internet. The status indicator at the top left kept trying to connect failing trying again etc... Eventually after about a minute or two the app logged me out and disconnected (!!!) me from the key card. It just said Set Up Phone Key . I should have had the key card with me but I didn t. The bottom line is that I wasn t able to get into the car and I was 200 miles away from home. So there I am - not being able to get into my car. Couldn t even get the login screen to come up - it would just sit there spinning. After waiting for most people to leave and walking to higher ground I was finally able to login and open the car. However at that moment I lost internet connectivity again and couldn t start the car even though I was already logged into the app. A bit more waiting for more people to leave the event then finally connected back to the Internet. I used the Controls menu to start it. My questions: 1. Why did the app log me out? 2. Why was the key card disconnected from the app? 3. Why do I need to be connected to the Internet to use the Controls menu? 4. How does the app communicate with the car? Is it Bluetooth? Is it cellular connectivity? Does the app only use the internet to verify who I am? Does the car have its own cellular connectivity? P.S. I should mention that I have an iPhone (since many mentioned NFC which isn t functional outside of Apple s constraints). P.P.S. Thank you all for taking the time to explain the mechanics of connectivity. The only mystery that remains is why the phone was longer setup as the vehicle key after I was finally able to log back in. | You shouldn t need to use the app to unlock the car. The phone acts as the vehicles key if you set it up properly and does not need a cell data connection to unlock it. It should automatically unlock when you walk up to it and open the door handle if you setup your phone as a key which they should have done for you at delivery. It works over Bluetooth... | 1. Can t say. Were you trying to log in through wifi with a VPN or some such? The app doesn t like certain things like that. 2. I am fairly sure that logging out of the app deactivates the phone key. 3. Because you are remotely controlling aspects of the car this goes over the internet. 4. It can do a few things via bluetooth such as unlocking the car and opening the trunk & frunk. The phone key works via bluetooth. Most other things are done via internet not just verifying the user. The car does have it s own cellular connection. Best to keep a keycard with you as a back up. | 135 | 13 | 9,159 |
r36zm8 | 40 | What method does the app use to talk to the car? I had a bit of an incident with my Tesla Model 3. Normally the Tesla app is paired with the key card and everything works great. I went to an event in a location with very bad cell connectivity to begin with and a million people around which made it even worse. As a result when trying to open the vehicle the app had a very tough time connecting to the internet. The status indicator at the top left kept trying to connect failing trying again etc... Eventually after about a minute or two the app logged me out and disconnected (!!!) me from the key card. It just said Set Up Phone Key . I should have had the key card with me but I didn t. The bottom line is that I wasn t able to get into the car and I was 200 miles away from home. So there I am - not being able to get into my car. Couldn t even get the login screen to come up - it would just sit there spinning. After waiting for most people to leave and walking to higher ground I was finally able to login and open the car. However at that moment I lost internet connectivity again and couldn t start the car even though I was already logged into the app. A bit more waiting for more people to leave the event then finally connected back to the Internet. I used the Controls menu to start it. My questions: 1. Why did the app log me out? 2. Why was the key card disconnected from the app? 3. Why do I need to be connected to the Internet to use the Controls menu? 4. How does the app communicate with the car? Is it Bluetooth? Is it cellular connectivity? Does the app only use the internet to verify who I am? Does the car have its own cellular connectivity? P.S. I should mention that I have an iPhone (since many mentioned NFC which isn t functional outside of Apple s constraints). P.P.S. Thank you all for taking the time to explain the mechanics of connectivity. The only mystery that remains is why the phone was longer setup as the vehicle key after I was finally able to log back in. | On android phones you can also use your phone NFC to unlock by holding the phone in the same spot on the pillar as the card. | What s odd is this happened to me at home in the last 24 hours and I had never seen it do that before in a year of ownership. I walked back inside and got my key card and all was fine. But it reinforced my normal behavior of always having phone key card and fob with me whenever I drive it. | 68 | 2 | 9,160 |
r36zm8 | 40 | What method does the app use to talk to the car? I had a bit of an incident with my Tesla Model 3. Normally the Tesla app is paired with the key card and everything works great. I went to an event in a location with very bad cell connectivity to begin with and a million people around which made it even worse. As a result when trying to open the vehicle the app had a very tough time connecting to the internet. The status indicator at the top left kept trying to connect failing trying again etc... Eventually after about a minute or two the app logged me out and disconnected (!!!) me from the key card. It just said Set Up Phone Key . I should have had the key card with me but I didn t. The bottom line is that I wasn t able to get into the car and I was 200 miles away from home. So there I am - not being able to get into my car. Couldn t even get the login screen to come up - it would just sit there spinning. After waiting for most people to leave and walking to higher ground I was finally able to login and open the car. However at that moment I lost internet connectivity again and couldn t start the car even though I was already logged into the app. A bit more waiting for more people to leave the event then finally connected back to the Internet. I used the Controls menu to start it. My questions: 1. Why did the app log me out? 2. Why was the key card disconnected from the app? 3. Why do I need to be connected to the Internet to use the Controls menu? 4. How does the app communicate with the car? Is it Bluetooth? Is it cellular connectivity? Does the app only use the internet to verify who I am? Does the car have its own cellular connectivity? P.S. I should mention that I have an iPhone (since many mentioned NFC which isn t functional outside of Apple s constraints). P.P.S. Thank you all for taking the time to explain the mechanics of connectivity. The only mystery that remains is why the phone was longer setup as the vehicle key after I was finally able to log back in. | On android phones you can also use your phone NFC to unlock by holding the phone in the same spot on the pillar as the card. | What are you even talking about? You don t need any data to unlock your car with the phone once it s set up. It s all Bluetooth for the unlocking process. | 68 | 12 | 9,161 |
r3jbw0 | 156 | Green light proceed without confirmation it s time. I can t be the only one thinking this but with the release of FSD Beta the only feature I m truly envious of is proceeding through greens without confirmation or a vehicle ahead. It s been quite some time since the feature with confirmation was released. My purpose of this post is hopefully to make more owners aware that the feature with confirmation has existed for almost a year and a half and I think it s time that green lights without confirmation get some love and attention while FSD continues to fledge out. With the obvious disclaimers and agreements like lane change w o conf. I hope this post doesn t get flagged for low effort because I feel like this is something that a lot of FSD purchasers want that s not FSD Beta and with some traction we could see changes sooner rather than later. For those who would say just get FSD Beta well I would but first I need those camera upgrades for AP2.0 cars and that seems like it s probably not happening for at least another year. | Yeah I thought the same earlier this year. I am on FSD beta and not having to confirm for the light is the best part. | Yes it s probably time so yes would be nice | 80 | 2 | 9,162 |
r3jbw0 | 156 | Green light proceed without confirmation it s time. I can t be the only one thinking this but with the release of FSD Beta the only feature I m truly envious of is proceeding through greens without confirmation or a vehicle ahead. It s been quite some time since the feature with confirmation was released. My purpose of this post is hopefully to make more owners aware that the feature with confirmation has existed for almost a year and a half and I think it s time that green lights without confirmation get some love and attention while FSD continues to fledge out. With the obvious disclaimers and agreements like lane change w o conf. I hope this post doesn t get flagged for low effort because I feel like this is something that a lot of FSD purchasers want that s not FSD Beta and with some traction we could see changes sooner rather than later. For those who would say just get FSD Beta well I would but first I need those camera upgrades for AP2.0 cars and that seems like it s probably not happening for at least another year. | I have FSD on my current M3 but not on new soon to be delivered 2nd one. I m going to miss green light chime proceed on green and dumb summon. I wish they would part these features out as software purchases. I d wager they could made additional revenue that they are missing out on with just selling the full FSD package. | Yes it s probably time so yes would be nice | 29 | 2 | 9,163 |
r3ubjd | 109 | Do you think the M3 and MY prices will eventually come back down? Do you think the M3 and MY prices will come back down after the supply chain issues level off and Giga Austin come online? I don t see an incentive to do so or how it would phase back in not to mention how it would anger consumers who have current and recent reservations. That said there is a lot of sentiment from Tesla that the hikes are only temporary and maintain the goal of bringing affordable vehicles to the market. | If Tesla can sell cars at the current prices they won t go down. Basic economics. | I think that it s up to the demand because costs could come down but not the waiting list or something like that | 170 | 2 | 9,164 |
r3ubjd | 109 | Do you think the M3 and MY prices will eventually come back down? Do you think the M3 and MY prices will come back down after the supply chain issues level off and Giga Austin come online? I don t see an incentive to do so or how it would phase back in not to mention how it would anger consumers who have current and recent reservations. That said there is a lot of sentiment from Tesla that the hikes are only temporary and maintain the goal of bringing affordable vehicles to the market. | If Tesla can sell cars at the current prices they won t go down. Basic economics. | Yes. Prices will come back once economies of scale kicks in with new production facilities. I believe Elon wants Teslas to be more affordable over time. Also there s the $25k Tesla that s yet to be introduced. Unfortunately the highest margin products with the most demand are produced first which makes perfect business sense. | 170 | 3 | 9,165 |
r3ubjd | 109 | Do you think the M3 and MY prices will eventually come back down? Do you think the M3 and MY prices will come back down after the supply chain issues level off and Giga Austin come online? I don t see an incentive to do so or how it would phase back in not to mention how it would anger consumers who have current and recent reservations. That said there is a lot of sentiment from Tesla that the hikes are only temporary and maintain the goal of bringing affordable vehicles to the market. | If Tesla can sell cars at the current prices they won t go down. Basic economics. | No they re not going to come down. | 170 | 5 | 9,166 |
r4akuw | 390 | Do you regret getting a Tesla? Hello Reddit I m looking at getting a model 3 after getting to drive one for a week earlier this month and loving it. That experience sold me on electric cars and my M3 is supposed to be delivered in February. However with so many brands releasing their own electric cars I m worried Im jumping the gun by going with a Tesla. As current Tesla owners what are your thoughts on the competition? Would you have picked something else? | 3 year M3 owner - no regrets still get joy from the car (and software updates especially FSD beta lately keep it feeling continually “new”) I d vote for any electric from any brand over any gas but IMO within the electric category Tesla is way ahead on the tech that matters (battery drive train OTA updates) and if you care about road-tripping there is literally no competitor to the SuperCharger network. | If you like the Model 3 then go for it. You should of course try other cars too to alleviate any questions you may have though. If you ve owned a car before then there are only a few things different about a Tesla vs. traditional car when talking about the ownership experience. Generally the big difference is service - depending on where you are you may be a long drive from the nearest service center. Mobile service may or may not be available. Otherwise it s a great experience and the best option if you do lots of miles. | 631 | 6 | 9,167 |
r4akuw | 390 | Do you regret getting a Tesla? Hello Reddit I m looking at getting a model 3 after getting to drive one for a week earlier this month and loving it. That experience sold me on electric cars and my M3 is supposed to be delivered in February. However with so many brands releasing their own electric cars I m worried Im jumping the gun by going with a Tesla. As current Tesla owners what are your thoughts on the competition? Would you have picked something else? | 3 year M3 owner - no regrets still get joy from the car (and software updates especially FSD beta lately keep it feeling continually “new”) I d vote for any electric from any brand over any gas but IMO within the electric category Tesla is way ahead on the tech that matters (battery drive train OTA updates) and if you care about road-tripping there is literally no competitor to the SuperCharger network. | No but I am HIGHLY CONSIDERING other options when the 3 lease is up next December. Mostly for the reasons that you have stated but also Apple CarPlay and a car manufacturer that that knows how to actually build cars without interiors coming undone when I bump into them and panel gaps. | 631 | 7 | 9,168 |
r4akuw | 390 | Do you regret getting a Tesla? Hello Reddit I m looking at getting a model 3 after getting to drive one for a week earlier this month and loving it. That experience sold me on electric cars and my M3 is supposed to be delivered in February. However with so many brands releasing their own electric cars I m worried Im jumping the gun by going with a Tesla. As current Tesla owners what are your thoughts on the competition? Would you have picked something else? | 3 year M3 owner - no regrets still get joy from the car (and software updates especially FSD beta lately keep it feeling continually “new”) I d vote for any electric from any brand over any gas but IMO within the electric category Tesla is way ahead on the tech that matters (battery drive train OTA updates) and if you care about road-tripping there is literally no competitor to the SuperCharger network. | I do not for a moment regret buying a Tesla it s been a pretty danged good four years. Is it perfect? Nah. Plenty of dumb design decisions and a few quality issues. I do regret checking for box for FSD. I don t know if my next car will be a Tesla though because now that real competition is here and more is coming there s a lot to consider. My brother in law just ordered the new Audi and I m very interested to see what that is like seems like it d be right up my alley. | 631 | 7 | 9,169 |
r4i8r9 | 36 | Standard vs advanced software updates What s difference ? | I like to think of it like the door close button on an elevator | Placebo | 176 | 19 | 9,170 |
r4i8r9 | 36 | Standard vs advanced software updates What s difference ? | I like to think of it like the door close button on an elevator | Absolutely nothing your car gets update based on what the Tesla HQ prefers. No matter you go advanced No matter you connect to wifi No matter your parking place has wifi No matter you click whatever button 5 times | 176 | 20 | 9,171 |
r4i8r9 | 36 | Standard vs advanced software updates What s difference ? | I like to think of it like the door close button on an elevator | Almost nothing. Advanced was meant to get you the update sooner but it only really did something for a few updates. These days you get the update within a day or two of it going wide regardless of the setting. | 176 | 31 | 9,172 |
r4ijj4 | 49 | Wall connector gen3 wifi always on. Any way to disable it? I don t really want it broadcasting all the time as there s already enough interference in the area. Is there any way to disable it? Manual made it seem like it would only be on for 15 mins but it s always on. Any advice? | Having this same problem as well and it s not necessary to be broadcasting its own SSID if it s already connected to my network. It s unnecessary radio interference in an already crowded spectrum - not to mention you can t even hide the SSID so anyone passing my house knows there s a Tesla in the garage - unlikely attack vector but again there s no benefit to having it broadcast so it should be an option to disable | Just the way it is I m afraid. Just prevent your phone from auto joining. It doesn t matter it s secure. | 36 | 7 | 9,173 |
r4ypcx | 84 | I ran a Model 3 and Audi e-tron until they died. And the Tesla put the Audi to shame! In an effort to make an edutainment video I ran a Tesla Model 3 Audi e-tron and Honda e until they were completely dead. I expected the Tesla to do well but it totally wiped the floor with the Audi. As I ll let the video explain in more detail... PS. Apols for the incorrect 0-60 stats for the Model 3 we had the car delivered as a standard Long Range but someone pointed out to me that it was actually a Performance. Not that it made a difference to our test. Has anyone else gone further in their Model 3? https: www.youtube.com watch?v=GE2Lyzqo2p8 | Carwow did something similar (on a real trip - not a test track) a year ago in cold-ish temperatures https: www.youtube.com watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc Mercedes (EQC 80kWh) : 194 miles = 312km Audi (eTron 95kWh): 206 miles = 331km Nissan (Leaf 62kWh) : 208 miles = 334km Jaguar (iPace 90kWh) : 223 miles = 358km Kia (eNiro 64kWh) : 255 miles = 410km Tesla (Model 3 LR 75kWh) : 270 miles = 434km It s just scary how much more efficient the Tesla and Kia are than the rest | I heard rumors of a 500 mile model 3 trip but the longest I can currently find are around 480. | 103 | 6 | 9,174 |
r4ypcx | 84 | I ran a Model 3 and Audi e-tron until they died. And the Tesla put the Audi to shame! In an effort to make an edutainment video I ran a Tesla Model 3 Audi e-tron and Honda e until they were completely dead. I expected the Tesla to do well but it totally wiped the floor with the Audi. As I ll let the video explain in more detail... PS. Apols for the incorrect 0-60 stats for the Model 3 we had the car delivered as a standard Long Range but someone pointed out to me that it was actually a Performance. Not that it made a difference to our test. Has anyone else gone further in their Model 3? https: www.youtube.com watch?v=GE2Lyzqo2p8 | Carwow did something similar (on a real trip - not a test track) a year ago in cold-ish temperatures https: www.youtube.com watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc Mercedes (EQC 80kWh) : 194 miles = 312km Audi (eTron 95kWh): 206 miles = 331km Nissan (Leaf 62kWh) : 208 miles = 334km Jaguar (iPace 90kWh) : 223 miles = 358km Kia (eNiro 64kWh) : 255 miles = 410km Tesla (Model 3 LR 75kWh) : 270 miles = 434km It s just scary how much more efficient the Tesla and Kia are than the rest | Actually tells you how much better the performance is seems its less efficient then the long range. | 103 | 18 | 9,175 |
r4ypcx | 84 | I ran a Model 3 and Audi e-tron until they died. And the Tesla put the Audi to shame! In an effort to make an edutainment video I ran a Tesla Model 3 Audi e-tron and Honda e until they were completely dead. I expected the Tesla to do well but it totally wiped the floor with the Audi. As I ll let the video explain in more detail... PS. Apols for the incorrect 0-60 stats for the Model 3 we had the car delivered as a standard Long Range but someone pointed out to me that it was actually a Performance. Not that it made a difference to our test. Has anyone else gone further in their Model 3? https: www.youtube.com watch?v=GE2Lyzqo2p8 | Carwow did something similar (on a real trip - not a test track) a year ago in cold-ish temperatures https: www.youtube.com watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc Mercedes (EQC 80kWh) : 194 miles = 312km Audi (eTron 95kWh): 206 miles = 331km Nissan (Leaf 62kWh) : 208 miles = 334km Jaguar (iPace 90kWh) : 223 miles = 358km Kia (eNiro 64kWh) : 255 miles = 410km Tesla (Model 3 LR 75kWh) : 270 miles = 434km It s just scary how much more efficient the Tesla and Kia are than the rest | surprising absolutely nobody this test has been done many times before and tesla always wins. this is just a shameless plug for your video | 103 | 29 | 9,176 |
r51u0m | 537 | US Model Y Delivery Date just changed - dramatically. I m based in Utah and ordered a new Tesla Model Y at the end of September 2021. The estimated delivery date was March 9th - April 9th. Three weeks ago it changed to February 9th - March 9th. Today it moved to next week! December 1st - December 9th! Does anyone have a theory as to these huge jumps? Its a long-range white interior blue exterior larger wheels FSD. Thoughts? & #x200B UPDATE 1: Many people have pointed out to do not believe until you have a vin . I did get a vin with the date change today. Also I looked up the Vin to see if its older... but it is a 2022 model. I believe that means it was built after October 31st of this year. Update 2: We have a delivery appointment scheduled for Monday December 13th. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it j4nwq7gmsk281.png?width=327& format=png& auto=webp& s=534dea9daeefe0b66c308946dcc9a2f82045a5fd | Plot twist: it s December 1 - 9 2022 | My friend was supposed to pick his up on the Nov 27 then it got moved to Dec 1st today it got moved again to Dec 6th. not sure what s going on... but he wants his car lol. I get changing the date when you re a month or so out but his is getting changed when he s only days away | 458 | 2 | 9,177 |
r51u0m | 537 | US Model Y Delivery Date just changed - dramatically. I m based in Utah and ordered a new Tesla Model Y at the end of September 2021. The estimated delivery date was March 9th - April 9th. Three weeks ago it changed to February 9th - March 9th. Today it moved to next week! December 1st - December 9th! Does anyone have a theory as to these huge jumps? Its a long-range white interior blue exterior larger wheels FSD. Thoughts? & #x200B UPDATE 1: Many people have pointed out to do not believe until you have a vin . I did get a vin with the date change today. Also I looked up the Vin to see if its older... but it is a 2022 model. I believe that means it was built after October 31st of this year. Update 2: We have a delivery appointment scheduled for Monday December 13th. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it j4nwq7gmsk281.png?width=327& format=png& auto=webp& s=534dea9daeefe0b66c308946dcc9a2f82045a5fd | Plot twist: it s December 1 - 9 2022 | Same thing happed to my wife and I. We placed an order for LR Model Y three weeks ago because estimated delivery was May 2022 which would have lined up great because that is right around when her lease is up. Has anyone had any success trying to push their delivery back? | 458 | 4 | 9,178 |
r51u0m | 537 | US Model Y Delivery Date just changed - dramatically. I m based in Utah and ordered a new Tesla Model Y at the end of September 2021. The estimated delivery date was March 9th - April 9th. Three weeks ago it changed to February 9th - March 9th. Today it moved to next week! December 1st - December 9th! Does anyone have a theory as to these huge jumps? Its a long-range white interior blue exterior larger wheels FSD. Thoughts? & #x200B UPDATE 1: Many people have pointed out to do not believe until you have a vin . I did get a vin with the date change today. Also I looked up the Vin to see if its older... but it is a 2022 model. I believe that means it was built after October 31st of this year. Update 2: We have a delivery appointment scheduled for Monday December 13th. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it j4nwq7gmsk281.png?width=327& format=png& auto=webp& s=534dea9daeefe0b66c308946dcc9a2f82045a5fd | Plot twist: it s December 1 - 9 2022 | It s because the Democrats build back better plan is going to get approved with a massive tax dollar for dollar rebate of like $8 000 for the model Y if delivery is taken in 2022. Don t take delivery in 2021 lol | 458 | 4 | 9,179 |
r57mkm | 180 | Tesla Model Y loses 25 miles every night on standby My MYLR AWD loses around 25 to 30 miles every night on standby. I do not open the tesla app multiple times a day. I do not have the Sentry mode or climate control turned on. I have even tried to turn off the wifi. I have checked with other friends who have Model Y and their cars hardly lose 3-5 miles. I reached out to tesla services and I got this response: & #x200B https: preview.redd.it f0c963it3m281.jpg?width=1234& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=3844ae6e2edb0ce360d26399937ae58278a0ab68 https: preview.redd.it cmenu2it3m281.jpg?width=1242& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=e13617a90b15656ac929323030049947125eed77 Is there something I can do to avoid this loss or is this normal? I am pretty sure if I charge the vehicle to full (300 miles) and not drive it at all it will be down to 0 miles in 10-15 days. & #x200B & #x200B =========== UPDATE ============ The tesla representative was not able to tell what the cause of drain was so we had to schedule a service at a nearby location. They upgraded the firmware (which by the way finally gave me the option to request for FSD beta). This removed the connected devices - the two phones for me and my wife. And it also disconnected the spotify and neflix account I had logged in to. I think it has to be one of those. I will try to login to them one by one to see which one it was. I just hope it was the old software. & #x200B & #x200B & #x200B | Cabin overheat summon standby and sentry are big vampire drains. Having scheduled climate control enabled will gobble up a bunch of range when it preconditions if the car isn t plugged in. | What s the temperature overnight? I m betting cold. | 167 | 2 | 9,180 |
r57mkm | 180 | Tesla Model Y loses 25 miles every night on standby My MYLR AWD loses around 25 to 30 miles every night on standby. I do not open the tesla app multiple times a day. I do not have the Sentry mode or climate control turned on. I have even tried to turn off the wifi. I have checked with other friends who have Model Y and their cars hardly lose 3-5 miles. I reached out to tesla services and I got this response: & #x200B https: preview.redd.it f0c963it3m281.jpg?width=1234& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=3844ae6e2edb0ce360d26399937ae58278a0ab68 https: preview.redd.it cmenu2it3m281.jpg?width=1242& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=e13617a90b15656ac929323030049947125eed77 Is there something I can do to avoid this loss or is this normal? I am pretty sure if I charge the vehicle to full (300 miles) and not drive it at all it will be down to 0 miles in 10-15 days. & #x200B & #x200B =========== UPDATE ============ The tesla representative was not able to tell what the cause of drain was so we had to schedule a service at a nearby location. They upgraded the firmware (which by the way finally gave me the option to request for FSD beta). This removed the connected devices - the two phones for me and my wife. And it also disconnected the spotify and neflix account I had logged in to. I think it has to be one of those. I will try to login to them one by one to see which one it was. I just hope it was the old software. & #x200B & #x200B & #x200B | Cabin overheat summon standby and sentry are big vampire drains. Having scheduled climate control enabled will gobble up a bunch of range when it preconditions if the car isn t plugged in. | Do a reboot turn everything on (sentry climate etc) charge to 100% use it for at least a day and then turn everything off and check again. | 167 | 8 | 9,181 |
r57mkm | 180 | Tesla Model Y loses 25 miles every night on standby My MYLR AWD loses around 25 to 30 miles every night on standby. I do not open the tesla app multiple times a day. I do not have the Sentry mode or climate control turned on. I have even tried to turn off the wifi. I have checked with other friends who have Model Y and their cars hardly lose 3-5 miles. I reached out to tesla services and I got this response: & #x200B https: preview.redd.it f0c963it3m281.jpg?width=1234& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=3844ae6e2edb0ce360d26399937ae58278a0ab68 https: preview.redd.it cmenu2it3m281.jpg?width=1242& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=e13617a90b15656ac929323030049947125eed77 Is there something I can do to avoid this loss or is this normal? I am pretty sure if I charge the vehicle to full (300 miles) and not drive it at all it will be down to 0 miles in 10-15 days. & #x200B & #x200B =========== UPDATE ============ The tesla representative was not able to tell what the cause of drain was so we had to schedule a service at a nearby location. They upgraded the firmware (which by the way finally gave me the option to request for FSD beta). This removed the connected devices - the two phones for me and my wife. And it also disconnected the spotify and neflix account I had logged in to. I think it has to be one of those. I will try to login to them one by one to see which one it was. I just hope it was the old software. & #x200B & #x200B & #x200B | Cabin overheat summon standby and sentry are big vampire drains. Having scheduled climate control enabled will gobble up a bunch of range when it preconditions if the car isn t plugged in. | is it parked outside? is it cold in your garage? | 167 | 21 | 9,182 |
r5asf2 | 41 | Why does Tesla make FSD so expensive? And plans to increase more? Besides the most basic excuse of how it costs money to make and implement it seems like a very odd business practice. Right now the adoption rate is ridiculously low at its current price. Tesla also states it will continue to rise as it gets feature rich and is released to the public. Currently it is a huge amount of money. Even if released tomorrow I would not pay 10k Canadian for it. Right now the novelty and idea is what had people buying in. It will be the first of its kind. But what happens when its old news? And its out and available? Why does tesla not want to reduce the cost substantially so that almost all owners buy into it? Or roll it into the cost of every car sold and have it as a default feature? With their pricing structure it feels like they are betting against themselves. In regards to a subscription for many people that cost is about half of their car payment. Its convenient but again far too high. | The price will go up once the features are working properly and it truly can be used as a self driving car. But ... after a while there will be competitors offering similar features and the price will start to drop. At some point years from now I wouldn t be surprised if it becomes a standard feature for all cars because of how much it increases driving safety. At the moment it s a little strange because everyone pays a premium to be beta testers for Tesla. Normally beta testers of software are paid by the company not the other way around. | Not sure if you are aware there is monthly based plan. | 95 | 3 | 9,183 |
r5asf2 | 41 | Why does Tesla make FSD so expensive? And plans to increase more? Besides the most basic excuse of how it costs money to make and implement it seems like a very odd business practice. Right now the adoption rate is ridiculously low at its current price. Tesla also states it will continue to rise as it gets feature rich and is released to the public. Currently it is a huge amount of money. Even if released tomorrow I would not pay 10k Canadian for it. Right now the novelty and idea is what had people buying in. It will be the first of its kind. But what happens when its old news? And its out and available? Why does tesla not want to reduce the cost substantially so that almost all owners buy into it? Or roll it into the cost of every car sold and have it as a default feature? With their pricing structure it feels like they are betting against themselves. In regards to a subscription for many people that cost is about half of their car payment. Its convenient but again far too high. | The price will go up once the features are working properly and it truly can be used as a self driving car. But ... after a while there will be competitors offering similar features and the price will start to drop. At some point years from now I wouldn t be surprised if it becomes a standard feature for all cars because of how much it increases driving safety. At the moment it s a little strange because everyone pays a premium to be beta testers for Tesla. Normally beta testers of software are paid by the company not the other way around. | If you look at it from a feature cost perspective older “enhanced autopilot” features or any ‘smart features like auto lane changing or smart summon autopark about 50% of today s and future features (mature FSD) are in that cost. I d expect the price to increase as the capabilities get better. Basic Autopilot and Autosteer for highways are included today. Do with that info as you wish. Not here to argue with people on how late they are or who has paid for things (like myself) that people feel like they ve been ripped off on. Just stating my perspective based on the origin of the software and costs based on the history and today. | 95 | 3 | 9,184 |
r5asf2 | 41 | Why does Tesla make FSD so expensive? And plans to increase more? Besides the most basic excuse of how it costs money to make and implement it seems like a very odd business practice. Right now the adoption rate is ridiculously low at its current price. Tesla also states it will continue to rise as it gets feature rich and is released to the public. Currently it is a huge amount of money. Even if released tomorrow I would not pay 10k Canadian for it. Right now the novelty and idea is what had people buying in. It will be the first of its kind. But what happens when its old news? And its out and available? Why does tesla not want to reduce the cost substantially so that almost all owners buy into it? Or roll it into the cost of every car sold and have it as a default feature? With their pricing structure it feels like they are betting against themselves. In regards to a subscription for many people that cost is about half of their car payment. Its convenient but again far too high. | The price will go up once the features are working properly and it truly can be used as a self driving car. But ... after a while there will be competitors offering similar features and the price will start to drop. At some point years from now I wouldn t be surprised if it becomes a standard feature for all cars because of how much it increases driving safety. At the moment it s a little strange because everyone pays a premium to be beta testers for Tesla. Normally beta testers of software are paid by the company not the other way around. | The real question is that at this price and the seemingly months years before it ll be ready why can t we transfer the license to a new car? | 95 | 8 | 9,185 |
r5nvo1 | 57 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | All Cars - Release the CCS1 Adapter - Apple Music - On-Route Warmup to non-Tesla DC Chargers - Availability and power listings for non-Tesla DC chargers where possible - 90mph Autopilot (we have 80mph highways in my area and there is an 85mph highway near Giga Texas) - A better way to report phantom breaking and incorrect interpretation of speed limits - Blind spot warning when turning on the turn signal - Option for holding a more rigid following distance with AP. My car is always falling back to 5-6 car lengths before accelerating to get back to 2 lengths when following at high speed. This allows people to cut me off which is annoying. | All models. I d like the ability to preheat the cabin based on day of week and not just weekday weekend. I have standard WFH days and I do not need the cabin preheated on those days. | 80 | 3 | 9,186 |
r5nvo1 | 57 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | All Cars - Release the CCS1 Adapter - Apple Music - On-Route Warmup to non-Tesla DC Chargers - Availability and power listings for non-Tesla DC chargers where possible - 90mph Autopilot (we have 80mph highways in my area and there is an 85mph highway near Giga Texas) - A better way to report phantom breaking and incorrect interpretation of speed limits - Blind spot warning when turning on the turn signal - Option for holding a more rigid following distance with AP. My car is always falling back to 5-6 car lengths before accelerating to get back to 2 lengths when following at high speed. This allows people to cut me off which is annoying. | Horizontal traffic lights in the visualizer. Homelink button in the app should ask which door I want to open. | 80 | 4 | 9,187 |
r5nvo1 | 57 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | All Cars - Release the CCS1 Adapter - Apple Music - On-Route Warmup to non-Tesla DC Chargers - Availability and power listings for non-Tesla DC chargers where possible - 90mph Autopilot (we have 80mph highways in my area and there is an 85mph highway near Giga Texas) - A better way to report phantom breaking and incorrect interpretation of speed limits - Blind spot warning when turning on the turn signal - Option for holding a more rigid following distance with AP. My car is always falling back to 5-6 car lengths before accelerating to get back to 2 lengths when following at high speed. This allows people to cut me off which is annoying. | All models Would be nice to get all camera views on sentry mode including both the forward facing side view and rear facing side views. | 80 | 4 | 9,188 |
r82zb2 | 538 | Cybertruck updates from Elon (thread) WholeMarsBlog - Rumor has it that the Cybertruck is no longer configurable on the Tesla site because they re debating getting rid of the single motor version and having only 2 3 and 4 motor variants. Elon - [Initial production will be 4 motor variant with independent ultra fast response torque control of each wheel](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466798224187006983?s=21) Could it turn like a tank? Elon - [Will have both front & amp rear wheel steer so not just like a tank – it can drive diagonally like a crab](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466798760030351372?s=21) So those of us with tri-motor reservations (or maybe all) will have option to upgrade? When do you expect to announce pricing? Elon - [Product roadmap update on next earnings call](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466800941269667841?s=21) [But yes](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466800979098148870?s=21) | And with that any remaining chance of a $40k Cybertruck has evaporated. | Whoa….huge news. Not a 12 9 thing then but wow. | 594 | 5 | 9,189 |
r82zb2 | 538 | Cybertruck updates from Elon (thread) WholeMarsBlog - Rumor has it that the Cybertruck is no longer configurable on the Tesla site because they re debating getting rid of the single motor version and having only 2 3 and 4 motor variants. Elon - [Initial production will be 4 motor variant with independent ultra fast response torque control of each wheel](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466798224187006983?s=21) Could it turn like a tank? Elon - [Will have both front & amp rear wheel steer so not just like a tank – it can drive diagonally like a crab](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466798760030351372?s=21) So those of us with tri-motor reservations (or maybe all) will have option to upgrade? When do you expect to announce pricing? Elon - [Product roadmap update on next earnings call](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466800941269667841?s=21) [But yes](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466800979098148870?s=21) | And with that any remaining chance of a $40k Cybertruck has evaporated. | Interesting that they will be providing a similar drivetrain package (motor at wheels) and maneuverability (crabwalk etc) as current offerings from Rivian Hummer. It speaks to Tesla incorporating good ideas and how quickly they can modify designs. | 594 | 26 | 9,190 |
r82zb2 | 538 | Cybertruck updates from Elon (thread) WholeMarsBlog - Rumor has it that the Cybertruck is no longer configurable on the Tesla site because they re debating getting rid of the single motor version and having only 2 3 and 4 motor variants. Elon - [Initial production will be 4 motor variant with independent ultra fast response torque control of each wheel](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466798224187006983?s=21) Could it turn like a tank? Elon - [Will have both front & amp rear wheel steer so not just like a tank – it can drive diagonally like a crab](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466798760030351372?s=21) So those of us with tri-motor reservations (or maybe all) will have option to upgrade? When do you expect to announce pricing? Elon - [Product roadmap update on next earnings call](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466800941269667841?s=21) [But yes](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1466800979098148870?s=21) | And with that any remaining chance of a $40k Cybertruck has evaporated. | Not to mention this: [https: twitter.com SawyerMerritt status 1466799580830478342](https: twitter.com SawyerMerritt status 1466799580830478342) Looks like he had some insight. Dual Quad for simplification. | 594 | 47 | 9,191 |
r8dxu1 | 150 | Is stealth sentry mode ever coming? I have neighbors in my parking deck and don t want to blast them ever time they go to their car parked next to mine. I just want it to silently record so I m not annoying them but still record encase they scratch it or bump the car. | This is the absolute worst part of the car for me. I live in an apartment with a shared garage and my neighbour gives my car the finger everytime it flashes him. They have also poured their drinks on my car before. Problem is now I can t ever turn it off in case they do something to damage it. I also have the absolute worst parking space in the garage and have a high chance of being hit. | At least in the refreshed Model S and 2021.40.6 the headlight flashing on and off is a lot quicker than previous versions. Still not ‘stealth with no flash but improvements. | 42 | 11 | 9,192 |
r99pgx | 73 | Fake Tesla News YouTube Channel I was on YouTube and was recommended a video comparing the iPhone to a completely fictitious Tesla smartphone . The video talked about this product not as a rumored or hoped-for product but as something that had officially been announced by Tesla. The video had high production values and authoritative-sounding narration and used real iPhone specs alongside plausible-sounding features for this made-up Tesla phone (solar charging integration with other Tesla products and with SpaceX Starlink). Of the comments I looked at only one seemed to be aware that no such product exists based on the lack of information available anywhere else online - the rest were very excited about a product that will almost certainly never exist. The channel called [Tech Future](https: www.youtube.com channel UCGiqCjAkUqBhzFqRuzHV6qg videos) has 100k subscribers and has produced over 30 videos some of which have millions of views. There are several other videos about the Tesla phone (which seem to be the ones with the most views) as well as videos seemingly making other false claims involving partnerships with Toyota Tom Cruise (?) and Google. Others seem to falsely describe rumored future products like a Tesla Van or a $15k compact Model 2 as already having been officially announced. Presumably there are many other sources of fake Tesla news out there although this one is surprisingly sophisticated. I reported it to YouTube but that avenue seems unlikely to go anywhere. Existing categories for harmful misinformation seem to be focused on medical and political misinformation with none for fake business news. Seems like this kind of content has the potential to do quite a bit of damage as customers purchase products or invest in the company based on completely made-up information about the company and its current and future offerings. Tesla s near-complete lack of a marketing PR team and its tendency to make implausible-sounding announcements about products that may not be available for many years (looking at you Tesla Bot) leaves them particularly susceptible to this kind of thing. Anyone else seen this kind of thing before or have thoughts on how the company or its customers investors enthusiasts can counter it? | Channel-> About. Report for Spam or Misleading. | Not sure if this is the one I kept seeing recommended but the clickbait is so thoroughly dishonest I clicked Don t Show. Clickbait is critical. YouTube rewards it. Channels that don t do it don t make a living. People say they hate it I do but human nature rewards it. | 40 | 7 | 9,193 |
r99pgx | 73 | Fake Tesla News YouTube Channel I was on YouTube and was recommended a video comparing the iPhone to a completely fictitious Tesla smartphone . The video talked about this product not as a rumored or hoped-for product but as something that had officially been announced by Tesla. The video had high production values and authoritative-sounding narration and used real iPhone specs alongside plausible-sounding features for this made-up Tesla phone (solar charging integration with other Tesla products and with SpaceX Starlink). Of the comments I looked at only one seemed to be aware that no such product exists based on the lack of information available anywhere else online - the rest were very excited about a product that will almost certainly never exist. The channel called [Tech Future](https: www.youtube.com channel UCGiqCjAkUqBhzFqRuzHV6qg videos) has 100k subscribers and has produced over 30 videos some of which have millions of views. There are several other videos about the Tesla phone (which seem to be the ones with the most views) as well as videos seemingly making other false claims involving partnerships with Toyota Tom Cruise (?) and Google. Others seem to falsely describe rumored future products like a Tesla Van or a $15k compact Model 2 as already having been officially announced. Presumably there are many other sources of fake Tesla news out there although this one is surprisingly sophisticated. I reported it to YouTube but that avenue seems unlikely to go anywhere. Existing categories for harmful misinformation seem to be focused on medical and political misinformation with none for fake business news. Seems like this kind of content has the potential to do quite a bit of damage as customers purchase products or invest in the company based on completely made-up information about the company and its current and future offerings. Tesla s near-complete lack of a marketing PR team and its tendency to make implausible-sounding announcements about products that may not be available for many years (looking at you Tesla Bot) leaves them particularly susceptible to this kind of thing. Anyone else seen this kind of thing before or have thoughts on how the company or its customers investors enthusiasts can counter it? | Channel-> About. Report for Spam or Misleading. | an older woman with the model S told me a month ago that Tesla has Tesla biohealing center somewhere in the mid west-and she s 100% positive it s under Tesla Motors. She s a Tesla fan & flying there to get the treatment-I check on the Google search & it s there. What a fraudster! | 40 | 10 | 9,194 |
r99pgx | 73 | Fake Tesla News YouTube Channel I was on YouTube and was recommended a video comparing the iPhone to a completely fictitious Tesla smartphone . The video talked about this product not as a rumored or hoped-for product but as something that had officially been announced by Tesla. The video had high production values and authoritative-sounding narration and used real iPhone specs alongside plausible-sounding features for this made-up Tesla phone (solar charging integration with other Tesla products and with SpaceX Starlink). Of the comments I looked at only one seemed to be aware that no such product exists based on the lack of information available anywhere else online - the rest were very excited about a product that will almost certainly never exist. The channel called [Tech Future](https: www.youtube.com channel UCGiqCjAkUqBhzFqRuzHV6qg videos) has 100k subscribers and has produced over 30 videos some of which have millions of views. There are several other videos about the Tesla phone (which seem to be the ones with the most views) as well as videos seemingly making other false claims involving partnerships with Toyota Tom Cruise (?) and Google. Others seem to falsely describe rumored future products like a Tesla Van or a $15k compact Model 2 as already having been officially announced. Presumably there are many other sources of fake Tesla news out there although this one is surprisingly sophisticated. I reported it to YouTube but that avenue seems unlikely to go anywhere. Existing categories for harmful misinformation seem to be focused on medical and political misinformation with none for fake business news. Seems like this kind of content has the potential to do quite a bit of damage as customers purchase products or invest in the company based on completely made-up information about the company and its current and future offerings. Tesla s near-complete lack of a marketing PR team and its tendency to make implausible-sounding announcements about products that may not be available for many years (looking at you Tesla Bot) leaves them particularly susceptible to this kind of thing. Anyone else seen this kind of thing before or have thoughts on how the company or its customers investors enthusiasts can counter it? | “Game over!” “Insane update!” The list of Tesla-related clickbait video titles goes on and on . . . | Not sure if this is the one I kept seeing recommended but the clickbait is so thoroughly dishonest I clicked Don t Show. Clickbait is critical. YouTube rewards it. Channels that don t do it don t make a living. People say they hate it I do but human nature rewards it. | 34 | 7 | 9,195 |
raatcy | 159 | FSD 10.6 improvements Definite improvement over 10.5. Some notable updates in driving on my regular routes: 1. On a 4 lane highway where center divider becomes the left turn lane both directions: Unprotected left with oncoming car also making an unprotected left. Waited appropriately and correctly tracked the velocities of the oncoming cars as they disappeared behind behind the vehicles waiting to take their left turns. I had a tough time personally keeping track of all the oncoming cars but FSD did so correctly. This was a scenario where 10.4 and 10.5 would either wait too long or try to jump infront of oncoming traffic. 2. Right hand turn onto the same highway where the “curb” is a painted white line with cross hatching to denote “no man s land”. 10.4 and 10.5 would be very indecisive about where to drive and would weave into the hatching. Turn wasn t very smooth but it picked the correct line this time. 3. Reduced spouse passenger nag triggers: Micro braking is still happening but this version it is a slight momentary lift off of the accelerator instead of a full lift regen brake. 4. Stopping at the stop signs actually stops in the right place. Even on assertive in residential areas it still waits too long to actually make the go determination when things are clear. 5. Unmapped and recent road reconfigurations are a challenge for it. It didn t know how to do the controlled left across 3 lanes despite some markings being present. To be fair it was unclear if it was a double left or not. | I got 10.6 yesterday morning. I started with 10.3 a month+ ago (2017 S75D). I had my first 0 disengagement drive home from work finally last night! There are a bunch of weird intersections and non-painted or badly painted lines so it still has some issues but it took me the whole way home last night yay! :) It did not take me 100% to work though. I do have to nudge the accelerator at some intersections etc. | 4.a - Great! 4.b - Not so great... But this sounds like some great progress! | 30 | 3 | 9,196 |
rb12ek | 479 | Waypoints completely missed the point. Am I the only one really disappointed with the new waypoints feature? Let s say Im going to my kids sporting event. I set my navigation to the destination. But I decide i want to pick up McDonalds along the route to eat it there. If i try to add destination of McDonalds it shows me McDonalds near me none near the destination. it doesn t even show me how far off the route it is. How is this any better than just navigating to mcdonalds and then after getting there navigating to the sporting event? They seriously completely missed the point of waypoints. Update: I just want to clarify I fully realize this is a 1st world problem. I love tesla and it is truly amazing all of the features they have given us completely for free. The post came off sounding very entitled and I just want to say I appreciate all a tesla has done for us and their amazing support. | Never realized how much people use waypoints apparently | Yes I agree I hate that you can t add a waypoint by voice or typing the location you have to add it by holding the location on the map. I haven t used the feature much at all because of this. Also can we please get avoid highways? Please Tesla. | 310 | 8 | 9,197 |
rb12ek | 479 | Waypoints completely missed the point. Am I the only one really disappointed with the new waypoints feature? Let s say Im going to my kids sporting event. I set my navigation to the destination. But I decide i want to pick up McDonalds along the route to eat it there. If i try to add destination of McDonalds it shows me McDonalds near me none near the destination. it doesn t even show me how far off the route it is. How is this any better than just navigating to mcdonalds and then after getting there navigating to the sporting event? They seriously completely missed the point of waypoints. Update: I just want to clarify I fully realize this is a 1st world problem. I love tesla and it is truly amazing all of the features they have given us completely for free. The post came off sounding very entitled and I just want to say I appreciate all a tesla has done for us and their amazing support. | This is how MVP software works. I m sure your feedback is welcome to the team but this feature will improve with time no doubt. | Something is completely whack with Tesla s software development. Clearly all the dev effort is going into the white whale (fsd) and everything else is getting done by the interns. Since most of the waypoints code was already done (through supercharger stops) this is a very minor 0.1 upgrade. You can t even delete a waypoint! | 130 | 4 | 9,198 |
rb12ek | 479 | Waypoints completely missed the point. Am I the only one really disappointed with the new waypoints feature? Let s say Im going to my kids sporting event. I set my navigation to the destination. But I decide i want to pick up McDonalds along the route to eat it there. If i try to add destination of McDonalds it shows me McDonalds near me none near the destination. it doesn t even show me how far off the route it is. How is this any better than just navigating to mcdonalds and then after getting there navigating to the sporting event? They seriously completely missed the point of waypoints. Update: I just want to clarify I fully realize this is a 1st world problem. I love tesla and it is truly amazing all of the features they have given us completely for free. The post came off sounding very entitled and I just want to say I appreciate all a tesla has done for us and their amazing support. | This is how MVP software works. I m sure your feedback is welcome to the team but this feature will improve with time no doubt. | Yes I agree I hate that you can t add a waypoint by voice or typing the location you have to add it by holding the location on the map. I haven t used the feature much at all because of this. Also can we please get avoid highways? Please Tesla. | 130 | 8 | 9,199 |
rclv73 | 1,559 | Tesla solarglass roof nightmare... ~16 months after install and no PTO in sight This was our install 16 months ago: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments i8ekwr tesla\\_roof\\_install\\_12\\_done\\_ny ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments i8ekwr tesla_roof_install_12_done_ny ) We still don t have permission to turn the system on. Tesla has dropped the ball with our utility company on this PTO so many times I can t bear to recap. We have zero visibility. Zero help. Zero accountability from Tesla. The net metering for the solar roof and for our previous system has been off for 16 months so we continue to lose money there. Regardless the Mosaic loan for the project kicked in over a year ago so we ve been paying on a fractionally finished project regardless. Tesla s performance has been almost universally awful during this process. The roofers themselves were nice. Everybody else has been a trainwreck. The electricians were nitwits and couldn t figure out how to combine the 2 systems properly... the third parties that they hired to rip the old roof off managed to flatten our landscaping and bend our gutters... the dumpster company they hired ripped huge holes in our lawn as they dragged the dumpster away... there s a discolored tile that never should have been installed and will probably never get replaced at this point... and the rotating cast of project managers and account manager whatevers etc don t seem capable of remedying anything before they quit and I have to explain everything over again to their replacement. I ve spent hundreds of hours trying to get this stupid roof turned on. It s really been draining... after 16 months I m about out of hope that things will remedy themselves. None of this process should be so complicated. So fair warning: if you re considering a Tesla Solar roof preparing to burn money while being universally failed is a great place to start. & #x200B Update 12 13! Requested photos added here: [https: imgur.com a LwI388i](https: imgur.com a LwI388i) | After 16 months and you haven t lawyered up yet? Why the hell not? Those panels are very expensive and they need to fix this. | Sad to hear that. We re thinking about custom building next home and would love a solar roof. Sad that I d probably end up just putting a little solar farm on our property instead. I had similar experience with Tesla installing regular panels on our house in Californiia \\~2018. There was a problem with the inverter and for a number on months they didn t communicate at all just saying they re waiting for a fix from the vendor. When that finally got fixed same on getting permission to turn system on. I gave up and just turned it on. When the inspector finally showed up one day he s just like oh. it shouldn t have been on. oh well. . | 571 | 2 | 9,200 |
rclv73 | 1,559 | Tesla solarglass roof nightmare... ~16 months after install and no PTO in sight This was our install 16 months ago: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments i8ekwr tesla\\_roof\\_install\\_12\\_done\\_ny ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments i8ekwr tesla_roof_install_12_done_ny ) We still don t have permission to turn the system on. Tesla has dropped the ball with our utility company on this PTO so many times I can t bear to recap. We have zero visibility. Zero help. Zero accountability from Tesla. The net metering for the solar roof and for our previous system has been off for 16 months so we continue to lose money there. Regardless the Mosaic loan for the project kicked in over a year ago so we ve been paying on a fractionally finished project regardless. Tesla s performance has been almost universally awful during this process. The roofers themselves were nice. Everybody else has been a trainwreck. The electricians were nitwits and couldn t figure out how to combine the 2 systems properly... the third parties that they hired to rip the old roof off managed to flatten our landscaping and bend our gutters... the dumpster company they hired ripped huge holes in our lawn as they dragged the dumpster away... there s a discolored tile that never should have been installed and will probably never get replaced at this point... and the rotating cast of project managers and account manager whatevers etc don t seem capable of remedying anything before they quit and I have to explain everything over again to their replacement. I ve spent hundreds of hours trying to get this stupid roof turned on. It s really been draining... after 16 months I m about out of hope that things will remedy themselves. None of this process should be so complicated. So fair warning: if you re considering a Tesla Solar roof preparing to burn money while being universally failed is a great place to start. & #x200B Update 12 13! Requested photos added here: [https: imgur.com a LwI388i](https: imgur.com a LwI388i) | After 16 months and you haven t lawyered up yet? Why the hell not? Those panels are very expensive and they need to fix this. | Getting solar panels and powerwalls installed on Monday.... hoping it goes smoothly and there are no issues. Made all the money for my house and solar off of TSLA so don t feel too terrible if it s a bad experience. I know that s a terrible perspective to have but the process has been good so far... | 571 | 14 | 9,201 |
rclv73 | 1,559 | Tesla solarglass roof nightmare... ~16 months after install and no PTO in sight This was our install 16 months ago: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments i8ekwr tesla\\_roof\\_install\\_12\\_done\\_ny ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments i8ekwr tesla_roof_install_12_done_ny ) We still don t have permission to turn the system on. Tesla has dropped the ball with our utility company on this PTO so many times I can t bear to recap. We have zero visibility. Zero help. Zero accountability from Tesla. The net metering for the solar roof and for our previous system has been off for 16 months so we continue to lose money there. Regardless the Mosaic loan for the project kicked in over a year ago so we ve been paying on a fractionally finished project regardless. Tesla s performance has been almost universally awful during this process. The roofers themselves were nice. Everybody else has been a trainwreck. The electricians were nitwits and couldn t figure out how to combine the 2 systems properly... the third parties that they hired to rip the old roof off managed to flatten our landscaping and bend our gutters... the dumpster company they hired ripped huge holes in our lawn as they dragged the dumpster away... there s a discolored tile that never should have been installed and will probably never get replaced at this point... and the rotating cast of project managers and account manager whatevers etc don t seem capable of remedying anything before they quit and I have to explain everything over again to their replacement. I ve spent hundreds of hours trying to get this stupid roof turned on. It s really been draining... after 16 months I m about out of hope that things will remedy themselves. None of this process should be so complicated. So fair warning: if you re considering a Tesla Solar roof preparing to burn money while being universally failed is a great place to start. & #x200B Update 12 13! Requested photos added here: [https: imgur.com a LwI388i](https: imgur.com a LwI388i) | After 16 months and you haven t lawyered up yet? Why the hell not? Those panels are very expensive and they need to fix this. | lawyer up | 571 | 16 | 9,202 |
re558t | 21 | Can I Take My Model 3 in Snow with Stock Tires? 2018 Model 3 LR AWD with 19” wheels and stock tires roughly 20k miles on them. Do I need to do anything special if I intend to go to Tahoe for a weekend trip? | Frequent driver to Tahoe here including with a M3LR with the stock 18s (Michelin MXM). If your tires are summer tires stay home. If your tires are all seasons with M+S markings (like my M3) you \\_can\\_ drive in the snow. However: * Carrying chains is mandatory in Tahoe in Winter so get those Pewag 19 from the Tesla store while they re still in stock (rear tires only) and practice putting them on at night with foggy glasses and ski gloves. Also carry a shovel and a snow ice scraper. * Plan for being stuck for hours on whatever road you ll be taking (food drinks lots of blankets...). Every time it snows some truck goes off and major access roads are closed. Download the CalTrans app to check road closures and chain control (note: I have never been asked to put chains on in my M3 - I get waved off every time - they are used to Teslas). * If it has snowed but roads are clear or have 0-4 inches of snow on them you are fine. Your tires + AWD will work in the snow but poorly especially compared to anyone on snow tires. Drive slowly. Brake carefully. Apologize to other drivers. Traction control and ABS can t beat the laws of physics. * If you are will be in a blizzard or if snow is deep stay home. You don t have the ground clearance to go around. * If you have black ice conditions (not uncommon up there) stay home. A S tires are completely inadequate. Snow tires are moderately adequate and only studded tire do a vaguely credible job. | I m a couple of inches they do great if you drive with a brain. More than that and you re in trouble. | 87 | 2 | 9,203 |
re558t | 21 | Can I Take My Model 3 in Snow with Stock Tires? 2018 Model 3 LR AWD with 19” wheels and stock tires roughly 20k miles on them. Do I need to do anything special if I intend to go to Tahoe for a weekend trip? | Frequent driver to Tahoe here including with a M3LR with the stock 18s (Michelin MXM). If your tires are summer tires stay home. If your tires are all seasons with M+S markings (like my M3) you \\_can\\_ drive in the snow. However: * Carrying chains is mandatory in Tahoe in Winter so get those Pewag 19 from the Tesla store while they re still in stock (rear tires only) and practice putting them on at night with foggy glasses and ski gloves. Also carry a shovel and a snow ice scraper. * Plan for being stuck for hours on whatever road you ll be taking (food drinks lots of blankets...). Every time it snows some truck goes off and major access roads are closed. Download the CalTrans app to check road closures and chain control (note: I have never been asked to put chains on in my M3 - I get waved off every time - they are used to Teslas). * If it has snowed but roads are clear or have 0-4 inches of snow on them you are fine. Your tires + AWD will work in the snow but poorly especially compared to anyone on snow tires. Drive slowly. Brake carefully. Apologize to other drivers. Traction control and ABS can t beat the laws of physics. * If you are will be in a blizzard or if snow is deep stay home. You don t have the ground clearance to go around. * If you have black ice conditions (not uncommon up there) stay home. A S tires are completely inadequate. Snow tires are moderately adequate and only studded tire do a vaguely credible job. | If you have to ask grab some snow chains and use them when snow is more than a couple inches deep. | 87 | 5 | 9,204 |
re558t | 21 | Can I Take My Model 3 in Snow with Stock Tires? 2018 Model 3 LR AWD with 19” wheels and stock tires roughly 20k miles on them. Do I need to do anything special if I intend to go to Tahoe for a weekend trip? | Frequent driver to Tahoe here including with a M3LR with the stock 18s (Michelin MXM). If your tires are summer tires stay home. If your tires are all seasons with M+S markings (like my M3) you \\_can\\_ drive in the snow. However: * Carrying chains is mandatory in Tahoe in Winter so get those Pewag 19 from the Tesla store while they re still in stock (rear tires only) and practice putting them on at night with foggy glasses and ski gloves. Also carry a shovel and a snow ice scraper. * Plan for being stuck for hours on whatever road you ll be taking (food drinks lots of blankets...). Every time it snows some truck goes off and major access roads are closed. Download the CalTrans app to check road closures and chain control (note: I have never been asked to put chains on in my M3 - I get waved off every time - they are used to Teslas). * If it has snowed but roads are clear or have 0-4 inches of snow on them you are fine. Your tires + AWD will work in the snow but poorly especially compared to anyone on snow tires. Drive slowly. Brake carefully. Apologize to other drivers. Traction control and ABS can t beat the laws of physics. * If you are will be in a blizzard or if snow is deep stay home. You don t have the ground clearance to go around. * If you have black ice conditions (not uncommon up there) stay home. A S tires are completely inadequate. Snow tires are moderately adequate and only studded tire do a vaguely credible job. | Saying 20k on the tires isn t quite enough info. Some people run through the stock tires at 10k while other get 40k out of them. As long as the tires aren t shot and there isn t feet of snow my M3 has taken me anywhere I want to go in winter. | 87 | 10 | 9,205 |
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