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q5qt7f | 165 | FSD Beta 10.2 Clip Megathread We are starting clip megathreads on a per FSD Beta Version basis. This version: **10.2** (2021.32.25) [YouTube Search](https: youtube.com results?sp=mAEA& search_query=FSD+Beta+10.2) [Twitter Web Search](https: twitter.com search?q=%23FSDBeta%2010.2& src=typed_query& f=live) [Software Updates Wiki](https: reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates ) - FSD Beta Megathreads will be added here now as well. Share your clips and discoveries here. Sort by New to see the latest. | The speed that it takes turns and the acceleration coming out of turns is so extreme. It s literally like a roller coaster. | Release Notes: [https: imgur.com a vvhwU31](https: imgur.com a vvhwU31) | 109 | 21 | 9,006 |
q5qt7f | 165 | FSD Beta 10.2 Clip Megathread We are starting clip megathreads on a per FSD Beta Version basis. This version: **10.2** (2021.32.25) [YouTube Search](https: youtube.com results?sp=mAEA& search_query=FSD+Beta+10.2) [Twitter Web Search](https: twitter.com search?q=%23FSDBeta%2010.2& src=typed_query& f=live) [Software Updates Wiki](https: reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates ) - FSD Beta Megathreads will be added here now as well. Share your clips and discoveries here. Sort by New to see the latest. | The speed that it takes turns and the acceleration coming out of turns is so extreme. It s literally like a roller coaster. | Let s hunt down some MF edge cases | 109 | 28 | 9,007 |
q5qt7f | 165 | FSD Beta 10.2 Clip Megathread We are starting clip megathreads on a per FSD Beta Version basis. This version: **10.2** (2021.32.25) [YouTube Search](https: youtube.com results?sp=mAEA& search_query=FSD+Beta+10.2) [Twitter Web Search](https: twitter.com search?q=%23FSDBeta%2010.2& src=typed_query& f=live) [Software Updates Wiki](https: reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates ) - FSD Beta Megathreads will be added here now as well. Share your clips and discoveries here. Sort by New to see the latest. | Just went on my first drive on FSD Beta and my heart is thumping like the first time I tried autopilot!! | Release Notes: [https: imgur.com a vvhwU31](https: imgur.com a vvhwU31) | 74 | 21 | 9,008 |
q5xbcf | 1,047 | Please put your phone away and pay attention! Don t ruin it for the rest of us. All posts with driving unsafe will not be allowed. Do not be like AP1 users and mess this up for the rest. AP1 had things taken away because people could not be safe and were doing very dumb things. Put the phone down and let the car drive. If you want to record or take pictures then set up something up. u courtlandre Please put your phone away and pay attention! Don t ruin it for the rest of us. u sundropdance Seriously. If you don t have any kind of setup don t record ANYTHING while driving! u kryptonianoflegend Dude…YES!! Call people out on this! Pay attention to the the road OP…this is BETA software and continued rollout and improvement is contingent upon NO ACCIDENTS ###Please do not be stupid! | Can we auto ban people for 30 days that post unsafe videos? | Hello I ll take one FSD beta please. | 319 | 5 | 9,009 |
q5xbcf | 1,047 | Please put your phone away and pay attention! Don t ruin it for the rest of us. All posts with driving unsafe will not be allowed. Do not be like AP1 users and mess this up for the rest. AP1 had things taken away because people could not be safe and were doing very dumb things. Put the phone down and let the car drive. If you want to record or take pictures then set up something up. u courtlandre Please put your phone away and pay attention! Don t ruin it for the rest of us. u sundropdance Seriously. If you don t have any kind of setup don t record ANYTHING while driving! u kryptonianoflegend Dude…YES!! Call people out on this! Pay attention to the the road OP…this is BETA software and continued rollout and improvement is contingent upon NO ACCIDENTS ###Please do not be stupid! | Can we auto ban people for 30 days that post unsafe videos? | Even if you don t want to buy a go pro just get one of those windshield phone mounts and stick it to the arm rest | 319 | 6 | 9,010 |
q5xbcf | 1,047 | Please put your phone away and pay attention! Don t ruin it for the rest of us. All posts with driving unsafe will not be allowed. Do not be like AP1 users and mess this up for the rest. AP1 had things taken away because people could not be safe and were doing very dumb things. Put the phone down and let the car drive. If you want to record or take pictures then set up something up. u courtlandre Please put your phone away and pay attention! Don t ruin it for the rest of us. u sundropdance Seriously. If you don t have any kind of setup don t record ANYTHING while driving! u kryptonianoflegend Dude…YES!! Call people out on this! Pay attention to the the road OP…this is BETA software and continued rollout and improvement is contingent upon NO ACCIDENTS ###Please do not be stupid! | Can we auto ban people for 30 days that post unsafe videos? | Yeah I couldn t imagine trying to record by hand while using this beta. While it is crazy impressive I have had to intervene more times today than I think I have in the last 6 months. This is not some polished beta that s basically a test of the full release it s a genuine beta with quirks and requires full attention! | 319 | 10 | 9,011 |
q6e0zm | 123 | First day with FSD - Beta (Notes) So like a few of you other folks today was my first experience with the Full FSD Beta. Here s some thoughts: WOW. I m overall very impressed and it feels amazing to be testing such a cool technology in it s infancy. I m more excited for this than ever seeing the progress of this in my own hands and realizing that we ve made amazing progress. Let me go through some not so pleasant notes: The turns that it takes (protected unprotected lefts and rights) are very impressive in the sense that it was able to make tight turns and have good understanding of how to avoid the median. However I found a couple of times where it would see it miscalculated a bit and slow down move over and continue. I thought this was rather impressive but when it was rough it felt like an inexperienced driver. One thing I m not a fan of that I ve never seen before is that it now loves to change lanes without telling me or notification and especially during the middle of the intersection. That s a human behavior I would like full self driving to NOT have. I was lucky I did the majority of my testing at night so there weren t too many cars or this could have ended badly multiple times. The good: The steadiness that I see when driving on an unmarked road and with cars approaching left me in shock. It does it amazingly well and I m happy to report I fully believe this software prioritizes safety. Multiple instances where there were people cars crossing and I would see on the visualizations that after acknowledging them it would wait. It goes through turns very confidently and adds a boost after the apex of the turn which sometimes can lead to it feeling rough however there were moments it just felt awesome to be zipping along right after the main turn was over. Felt like a seasoned driver when it works well. All this being said I m very happy with this release and happier that I was chosen to get it. I laughed like a madman during the first left turn it made and I m super excited to drive more and gather more data. Will be thinking to start a YouTube channel soon will update here! Cheers guys! | Another plus is going through green lights without prompting (regardless if a vehicle is in front of you) | Agree with all you said! I ve been taking it out just for testing it and have been loving it... Question did you happen to have any protected u-turns? I had a relatively easy u-turn at a light and the car kept turning the opposite blinker on (I think realizing it couldn t do the turn even though navigation said to). Finally it told me to take over because it couldn t handle the maneuver. I m interested if this is common or a 1 off | 51 | 9 | 9,012 |
q6e0zm | 123 | First day with FSD - Beta (Notes) So like a few of you other folks today was my first experience with the Full FSD Beta. Here s some thoughts: WOW. I m overall very impressed and it feels amazing to be testing such a cool technology in it s infancy. I m more excited for this than ever seeing the progress of this in my own hands and realizing that we ve made amazing progress. Let me go through some not so pleasant notes: The turns that it takes (protected unprotected lefts and rights) are very impressive in the sense that it was able to make tight turns and have good understanding of how to avoid the median. However I found a couple of times where it would see it miscalculated a bit and slow down move over and continue. I thought this was rather impressive but when it was rough it felt like an inexperienced driver. One thing I m not a fan of that I ve never seen before is that it now loves to change lanes without telling me or notification and especially during the middle of the intersection. That s a human behavior I would like full self driving to NOT have. I was lucky I did the majority of my testing at night so there weren t too many cars or this could have ended badly multiple times. The good: The steadiness that I see when driving on an unmarked road and with cars approaching left me in shock. It does it amazingly well and I m happy to report I fully believe this software prioritizes safety. Multiple instances where there were people cars crossing and I would see on the visualizations that after acknowledging them it would wait. It goes through turns very confidently and adds a boost after the apex of the turn which sometimes can lead to it feeling rough however there were moments it just felt awesome to be zipping along right after the main turn was over. Felt like a seasoned driver when it works well. All this being said I m very happy with this release and happier that I was chosen to get it. I laughed like a madman during the first left turn it made and I m super excited to drive more and gather more data. Will be thinking to start a YouTube channel soon will update here! Cheers guys! | Another plus is going through green lights without prompting (regardless if a vehicle is in front of you) | It gives you a sense of excitement to see something so bleeding edge. Congrats to you. | 51 | 25 | 9,013 |
q6fxwm | 40 | Can a cello fit in a model Y with all seats up? Can a cello fit in a model Y trunk with all seats up? How about just the middle seat down? A photo of this setup could convince my wife a model Y is our next car. | [Fits in a Model 3](https: youtu.be VCvf6e6ffgo) and the Y is a little larger. | How about you schedule a test drive and take a cello with you to test? | 73 | 24 | 9,014 |
q6k4vm | 117 | How do we as FSD Beta testers best ‘teach the car? As a beta tester how can I best help Tesla improve the FSD experience for everyone? Some questions: - Is my car only ‘learning when I m in FSD? If the car makes a mistake on FSD (eg wrong lane) - If I correct the error by disengaging FSD does the car ‘learn ? - Does it only ‘learn if I hit the camera icon to record and submit video? - Is it reasonable that my car would get better at my usual route or is the data more aggregated and useful at a macro level but not individual routes? I read the info from the AI presentation which was interesting from a scientific perspective but what can an individual driver tester do to help? | The best thing to do would be to disengage intervene anywhere you think FSD beta could use improvement. It s likely the car flags these disengagements as error and creates a queue to upload the data around the disengagement later for training of the network. This is what Elon means by all input is error . Anytime a human has to intervene the decision making process of FSD is not up to snuff. Source: I ve fit high dimensional statistical models for my graduate work. | The car is only learning when FSD is engaged. If you re forced to disengage autopilot whether by turning the steering wheel or hitting the brakes then that triggers an event that sends data to Tesla. It s best to follow these incidents up with hitting the camera button on the screen. If there s scenarios where you felt the car did something unsafe but still did its job then you can also hit the camera button to show there needs to be improvement there. Hitting the camera button basically sends them a few seconds around where your incident happened from there they can recreate the scene on computers and try to code in a way to handle the edge case. Other than that just drive on FSD and be aware that it will likely make mistakes and such that you need to correct and that correcting those is sending back telemetry. | 36 | 5 | 9,015 |
q8ovdc | 217 | How reliable are Teslas actually? Sites like Consumer Reports say that Teslas are very unreliable but owners of the cars say that the cars are super reliable. What s the deal with this? | My 18 Model S 75D was in service 12 times in the first 6 months for many little things the worst of which were the door handles would no longer deploy. My wife s 2020 Model Y LR has 0 issues in 1 year of ownership and around 20k km. Still the best car I ever owned that is until my Plaid delivery next week 😁 | I can only speak for longevity to date of my car but I am 18mos in and 0 issues. I don t have or expect any reliability issues in the long term either. | 406 | 89 | 9,016 |
q8ovdc | 217 | How reliable are Teslas actually? Sites like Consumer Reports say that Teslas are very unreliable but owners of the cars say that the cars are super reliable. What s the deal with this? | My 18 Model S 75D was in service 12 times in the first 6 months for many little things the worst of which were the door handles would no longer deploy. My wife s 2020 Model Y LR has 0 issues in 1 year of ownership and around 20k km. Still the best car I ever owned that is until my Plaid delivery next week 😁 | > Sites like Consumer Reports say that Teslas are very unreliable If you look into the methodology they re often including metrics like Difficulty using infotainment system as a measure of reliability or initial quality. Check out JD Power s own description of their Initial Quality score: https: www.jdpower.com business press-releases 2021-us-initial-quality-study-iqs > Following are key findings of the 2021 study: > Infotainment remains most problematic category: One in four (25%) of all problems cited by new-vehicle owners are in the infotainment category and six of the top 10 problems across the industry are infotainment-related. > Smartphone connection is top problem So high-tech vehicles like Teslas are penalized for their tech. | 406 | 147 | 9,017 |
q8ovdc | 217 | How reliable are Teslas actually? Sites like Consumer Reports say that Teslas are very unreliable but owners of the cars say that the cars are super reliable. What s the deal with this? | 2 years on a Model 3 Performance. Every issue has been small but all been warranty managed for free (door rattle when bass in songs fixed rear camera hazy fixed window rolling up weirdly fixed). Otherwise in two years I ve added windshield washer fluid twice. Twice in two years through nasty winters and everything. That s it. Interior and exterior look mint though the front bumper has its share of chips. Car is rock solid in every respect. 35000 miles | Seems like it kinda depends on the car as their QC had been lacking but it seems like it s getting better. I ve had mine for 12k miles and about 7 months and I had to take it in to have a temperature sensor swapped out when I couldn t start my AC from the app. Took 2 hours in a morning and they gave me a bunch of Uber credit to get around. Other than that no issues. | 135 | 2 | 9,018 |
q8sov2 | 100 | Is auto parking on 2021.36 vision based now? Car was able to park itself in an empty parking lot in the parking space between the lines. I got FSD subscription today to get the FSD beta but since I m already on 2021.36 I couldn t get it but I noticed the parking is now vision based. I remember earlier it only worked between two parked cars. | Updated my Model Y a couple days ago and can confirm even said so in the release notes. Not sure why teslanotes or whatever is saying only the refreshed S gets it. | AFAIK this is still only available on the S refresh. That could be wrong. The FSD beta I have on my 3 sure hasn t gotten better at auto parking | 31 | 3 | 9,019 |
q8ttgd | 122 | Now that you ve had a taste of FSD would you order it on your next Tesla or use use the subscription option? Looks like FSD pricing may be increasing soon as it is no longer being held on new Cybertruck reservations. | Until it _lowers_ anxiety the City Streets component of FSD is only worth money if you re into technology. Nav on AP is wonderful but absolutely not worth $10k (… unless you drive a few hundred thousand miles per year) | I would buy it at 2K but...right now it s not worth 10K. It ll take exactly 4 years to meet up to the price it s at now. | 170 | 2 | 9,020 |
q8ttgd | 122 | Now that you ve had a taste of FSD would you order it on your next Tesla or use use the subscription option? Looks like FSD pricing may be increasing soon as it is no longer being held on new Cybertruck reservations. | Until it _lowers_ anxiety the City Streets component of FSD is only worth money if you re into technology. Nav on AP is wonderful but absolutely not worth $10k (… unless you drive a few hundred thousand miles per year) | I have the FSD beta. I bought it on the $200 subscription. If I see it ACTUALLY making a real improvement (driving more safely than it is today getting a firm answer on when L3 is coming being able to use it as driver assistance and not needing to babysit) then I would *consider* buying it. Still not sure I would see it as worthwhile at that point but definitely worth thinking about then. But now in the current state? No. If Tesla raised the price tomorrow I d unsubscribe and never look back. | 170 | 5 | 9,021 |
q8ttgd | 122 | Now that you ve had a taste of FSD would you order it on your next Tesla or use use the subscription option? Looks like FSD pricing may be increasing soon as it is no longer being held on new Cybertruck reservations. | Until it _lowers_ anxiety the City Streets component of FSD is only worth money if you re into technology. Nav on AP is wonderful but absolutely not worth $10k (… unless you drive a few hundred thousand miles per year) | Neither. The state of where it s at is sketchy. I understand you gotta start somewhere and make progress but it s awhile away before I would even pay anything for it. | 170 | 6 | 9,022 |
q9krbl | 115 | An in-depth review of the Unplugged Performance Model Y luxury coilovers I have seen a lot of posts asking about the [Unplugged Performance luxury coilovers](https: unpluggedperformance.com product tesla-model-y-luxury-coilover-suspension-kit ) and how much of a difference they make the cost to install whether it s worth it etc. I have had these for a while now and I think I can shed some light on all of this for whoever is interested to help you figure out if it s worth it for you. I m happy to answer any questions that I can. I ll split this up into categories so it s easier for everyone to find the answers they are seeking. Unplugged Performance did ask if I planned to post something somewhere about my experience but they didn t offer anything for it and don t know my opinion so this is 100% unbiased and I won t gain or lose anything by posting it. I have a 2021 Model Y LR in black with the Gemini wheels. It s been two months since we had the coilovers installed and I ve driven about 5000 miles on them in that time. Here we go! **Why I decided to order** I saw some reviews before we decided to buy the MY that said the suspension was quite stiff. It seemed like a pretty common theme. This is a problem in my family because my wife gets bad headaches in cars that are really stiff like that. We test drove a MY and we loved it but she anticipated that she might get headaches on long drives plus we both agreed that it was unpleasantly stiff in comparison to our 2020 Subaru Forester Touring which has a super smooth ride. **Ordering Process** The process to order the coilovers is not super pleasant at least it wasn t when I was doing it. They are VERY backordered and even the long estimate I got was optimistic. I contacted UP via their website in mid-March 2021 after I had decided to order my Model Y. They let me know that the lead time for the coilovers was 8-12 weeks and that I could secure my place in the queue by paying 50% of the price which I decided to do. That amounted to $**1 272.50**. This was done via Paypal invoice so the process is somewhat ad hoc. If I weren t as tech-savvy it would ve seemed a little sketchy. Ultimately 8-12 weeks was pretty far off. I didn t actually receive them until July 27 (my birthday!) which was about 17 weeks of waiting in total. They arrive in a medium-size box that includes everything necessary for install (sans tools). **Cost** All told the cost to me was: * $2 495 for the coilovers * $1 725 for installation * = $4 220 **Installation** This is the most location-dependent part of the process as UP has a list of pre-approved install shops. I live in Seattle and there s only one approved installer here so I m guessing this is not a massive list. That said from what I ve heard if you have a shop that specializes in Teslas AND can do suspensions it s probably not going to be a problem for them. UP is communicative about this so I think they would have suggestions about how to find shops that would be able to handle an install if they didn t have an approved installer near your location. For me the install happened at [Cantrell Motorsports](https: cantrellmotorsport.com ) in Bellevue WA. They specialize in European auto repair specifically Porsches. Teslas are really not listed at all but they do this specific installation from time to time. I brought the car and the box to their shop. From watching videos others had posted about these I knew I wanted the settings to be fairly soft so I asked for them to be at about 25%. There are 32 degrees of softness (1 is softest 32 is hardest). Mine ended up at 8. I also had heard that the coilovers allow you to lower the car but I didn t want to do that so I asked for them to keep it as close to the original height as possible. Installation took a couple of days. I went to pick up the car and they walked me through how to adjust the settings. They also gave me the old coils. They had assumed I was installing coilovers to stiffen the suspension so they were surprised that I had asked for them to be softened instead. The tech said they thought that was weird until they saw the coils that came out of the MY. The guy said they were HUGE rivaling the ones he had on his 4Runner. He was confused about why Tesla had put such enormous coils in. The car ended up about a half-inch lower than it was with the previous coils - hardly noticeable. **Adjustment** After driving for a day or two I decided I wanted to soften things a bit further so I attempted to adjust the knobs. The front knobs are dead-easy to adjust. You just open the hood and pop off the vent panel at the top (super easy). The knobs poke up through there and you just twist them a bit to adjust. There is a distinguishable click between each setting. The only annoying thing is that there s no way to tell what setting it s currently at besides going fully one way or the other then counting the clicks. Additionally there s no indication of which direction is which for softness hardness on the dial but fortunately it s left-loosey-righty-tighty. I decided to set it down to 5 instead of 8. Adjusting the back knobs was much more difficult than I expected. The knobs are located inside the wheel well of both back wheels at the 1 o clock position. I had heard that a person with small arms might be able to reach the knob. This is probably true but you really would need small arms. I had no chance of reaching my hand back there. I tried using a tool to reach it which kind of worked but I couldn t feel the clicks as it turned. Ultimately I decided that I needed to jack the car up to reach it but I didn t have a jack. Due to the height of the car and the fact that it s even lower than before I bought a low-profile hydraulic jack. It is not necessary to remove the wheel to make the adjustment. As you raise the car the space between the top of the tire and the top of the wheel well increases. I raised it a few inches and that was enough to slide my hand in there. Spoiler alert that s a terrifying feeling knowing that a failing jack will break your arm. I recommend jack stands for this reason though I did not use them. **How does it feel?** This was what made me the most nervous - the reviews I had seen seemed to indicate that there was a noticeable pleasant difference between the OEM suspension and the coilovers but it s extremely anecdotal. It was very hard for me to tell if the difference would be sufficient. Fortunately I can say that it is. The suspension feels much more like our Forester than it did with the OEM suspension. Bumps are much less jarring. With the OEM suspension you feel every bump instantly and fully. The coilovers soften them and spread that force out over time so it s not like falling off a cliff it s more like sliding down the side. It s very hard to explain and I suspect this will be the most disappointing part of the review to most people wondering if they should buy these. I think I can confidently tell you that if you re noticing your Model Y s suspension all the time and you feel like it s really stiff and bumpy you would probably really enjoy the coilovers. I used to notice that all the time and now I never think about it. It is especially noticeable with potholes cobblestone train tracks and roads that have a lot of repairs or flaws in them. Going over those with the OEM suspension was teeth-chatteringly rough and that s drastically improved by the coilovers. If you re hoping they will make you glide over rough roads and you won t feel bumps anymore or something like that you shouldn t buy them. They aren t a magic bullet that makes your car smooth as butter but they will definitely take the edge off of bumpy roads. UP claims the coilovers make the MY suspension feel like similarly priced luxury vehicles and I agree with that claim. Having driven and ridden in similar vehicles I think the change here makes the MY feel like it *should* feel at its price point. Also if you never notice your suspension as it is you probably won t get a lot out of this. It s super adjustable and if you like the way your car drives now I doubt you d find enough value for the cost to justify buying this. Interestingly my father-in-law immediately noticed the difference having ridden in the car with the OEM suspension weeks earlier. It was one of the first things he said when he rode in it after the coilovers were installed before I had told him about them. **Comparison to reducing air pressure in tires** I have the Gemini wheels and there have been rumblings that the Gemini wheels allow for the softest ride and that you can soften that further by reducing air pressure to around 38-39 PSI. I do not recommend this. While I was waiting for the coilovers to arrive I tried this and I don t think it made any difference to the ride feel at all. I think it s absolutely a placebo effect. If anything it was a detriment because the reduced air pressure results in higher friction and higher surface area for road contact which will just degrade your tires faster. I drove around like this for a couple weeks to help my wife s headaches while we waited for the coilovers and when I put the tires back to their original PSI she didn t notice at all. If you re thinking you ll just reduce your air pressure instead of buying these I really don t recommend it at all. **Other notes** Some people have worried about whether an installation like this voids the warranty and there are dissenting opinions about that. After doing research I concluded (like others have) that this work voids the warranty on any suspension-related issues your car may have but not other unrelated things. Also if you lower your car it could impact the ability of Tesla mobile service to do things like tire rotations and fixes. This is something to note if you plan to lower it more than I did. Mine is only a half-inch lower and when I had a tech come out to swap a flat tire he said he noticed the clearance on the jack was less than he was used to and he was initially worried it wouldn t fit. **Conclusion** I would definitely make this purchase again. It solved the thing that most annoyed me about driving this car. Really the only thing that bothers me about this whole thing is that the MY should come from the factory with a suspension like this. It s silly to have to make this kind of fundamental modification. Feel free to ask any questions. I m happy to answer! | $1725 for installation? Damn that seems way overpriced. | Thanks for this review. I ve been waiting to hear from someone who did it. I was thinking about before I bought my MYP especially with the bigger tires. But after driving it for a month I have to say that the stock suspension doesn t bother me right now so I can save the money. This may be due to the fact that I live in the South where the roads are generally better than winter land. But if I change my mind down the line it s nice to know it does make a legit difference. | 47 | 3 | 9,023 |
q9krbl | 115 | An in-depth review of the Unplugged Performance Model Y luxury coilovers I have seen a lot of posts asking about the [Unplugged Performance luxury coilovers](https: unpluggedperformance.com product tesla-model-y-luxury-coilover-suspension-kit ) and how much of a difference they make the cost to install whether it s worth it etc. I have had these for a while now and I think I can shed some light on all of this for whoever is interested to help you figure out if it s worth it for you. I m happy to answer any questions that I can. I ll split this up into categories so it s easier for everyone to find the answers they are seeking. Unplugged Performance did ask if I planned to post something somewhere about my experience but they didn t offer anything for it and don t know my opinion so this is 100% unbiased and I won t gain or lose anything by posting it. I have a 2021 Model Y LR in black with the Gemini wheels. It s been two months since we had the coilovers installed and I ve driven about 5000 miles on them in that time. Here we go! **Why I decided to order** I saw some reviews before we decided to buy the MY that said the suspension was quite stiff. It seemed like a pretty common theme. This is a problem in my family because my wife gets bad headaches in cars that are really stiff like that. We test drove a MY and we loved it but she anticipated that she might get headaches on long drives plus we both agreed that it was unpleasantly stiff in comparison to our 2020 Subaru Forester Touring which has a super smooth ride. **Ordering Process** The process to order the coilovers is not super pleasant at least it wasn t when I was doing it. They are VERY backordered and even the long estimate I got was optimistic. I contacted UP via their website in mid-March 2021 after I had decided to order my Model Y. They let me know that the lead time for the coilovers was 8-12 weeks and that I could secure my place in the queue by paying 50% of the price which I decided to do. That amounted to $**1 272.50**. This was done via Paypal invoice so the process is somewhat ad hoc. If I weren t as tech-savvy it would ve seemed a little sketchy. Ultimately 8-12 weeks was pretty far off. I didn t actually receive them until July 27 (my birthday!) which was about 17 weeks of waiting in total. They arrive in a medium-size box that includes everything necessary for install (sans tools). **Cost** All told the cost to me was: * $2 495 for the coilovers * $1 725 for installation * = $4 220 **Installation** This is the most location-dependent part of the process as UP has a list of pre-approved install shops. I live in Seattle and there s only one approved installer here so I m guessing this is not a massive list. That said from what I ve heard if you have a shop that specializes in Teslas AND can do suspensions it s probably not going to be a problem for them. UP is communicative about this so I think they would have suggestions about how to find shops that would be able to handle an install if they didn t have an approved installer near your location. For me the install happened at [Cantrell Motorsports](https: cantrellmotorsport.com ) in Bellevue WA. They specialize in European auto repair specifically Porsches. Teslas are really not listed at all but they do this specific installation from time to time. I brought the car and the box to their shop. From watching videos others had posted about these I knew I wanted the settings to be fairly soft so I asked for them to be at about 25%. There are 32 degrees of softness (1 is softest 32 is hardest). Mine ended up at 8. I also had heard that the coilovers allow you to lower the car but I didn t want to do that so I asked for them to keep it as close to the original height as possible. Installation took a couple of days. I went to pick up the car and they walked me through how to adjust the settings. They also gave me the old coils. They had assumed I was installing coilovers to stiffen the suspension so they were surprised that I had asked for them to be softened instead. The tech said they thought that was weird until they saw the coils that came out of the MY. The guy said they were HUGE rivaling the ones he had on his 4Runner. He was confused about why Tesla had put such enormous coils in. The car ended up about a half-inch lower than it was with the previous coils - hardly noticeable. **Adjustment** After driving for a day or two I decided I wanted to soften things a bit further so I attempted to adjust the knobs. The front knobs are dead-easy to adjust. You just open the hood and pop off the vent panel at the top (super easy). The knobs poke up through there and you just twist them a bit to adjust. There is a distinguishable click between each setting. The only annoying thing is that there s no way to tell what setting it s currently at besides going fully one way or the other then counting the clicks. Additionally there s no indication of which direction is which for softness hardness on the dial but fortunately it s left-loosey-righty-tighty. I decided to set it down to 5 instead of 8. Adjusting the back knobs was much more difficult than I expected. The knobs are located inside the wheel well of both back wheels at the 1 o clock position. I had heard that a person with small arms might be able to reach the knob. This is probably true but you really would need small arms. I had no chance of reaching my hand back there. I tried using a tool to reach it which kind of worked but I couldn t feel the clicks as it turned. Ultimately I decided that I needed to jack the car up to reach it but I didn t have a jack. Due to the height of the car and the fact that it s even lower than before I bought a low-profile hydraulic jack. It is not necessary to remove the wheel to make the adjustment. As you raise the car the space between the top of the tire and the top of the wheel well increases. I raised it a few inches and that was enough to slide my hand in there. Spoiler alert that s a terrifying feeling knowing that a failing jack will break your arm. I recommend jack stands for this reason though I did not use them. **How does it feel?** This was what made me the most nervous - the reviews I had seen seemed to indicate that there was a noticeable pleasant difference between the OEM suspension and the coilovers but it s extremely anecdotal. It was very hard for me to tell if the difference would be sufficient. Fortunately I can say that it is. The suspension feels much more like our Forester than it did with the OEM suspension. Bumps are much less jarring. With the OEM suspension you feel every bump instantly and fully. The coilovers soften them and spread that force out over time so it s not like falling off a cliff it s more like sliding down the side. It s very hard to explain and I suspect this will be the most disappointing part of the review to most people wondering if they should buy these. I think I can confidently tell you that if you re noticing your Model Y s suspension all the time and you feel like it s really stiff and bumpy you would probably really enjoy the coilovers. I used to notice that all the time and now I never think about it. It is especially noticeable with potholes cobblestone train tracks and roads that have a lot of repairs or flaws in them. Going over those with the OEM suspension was teeth-chatteringly rough and that s drastically improved by the coilovers. If you re hoping they will make you glide over rough roads and you won t feel bumps anymore or something like that you shouldn t buy them. They aren t a magic bullet that makes your car smooth as butter but they will definitely take the edge off of bumpy roads. UP claims the coilovers make the MY suspension feel like similarly priced luxury vehicles and I agree with that claim. Having driven and ridden in similar vehicles I think the change here makes the MY feel like it *should* feel at its price point. Also if you never notice your suspension as it is you probably won t get a lot out of this. It s super adjustable and if you like the way your car drives now I doubt you d find enough value for the cost to justify buying this. Interestingly my father-in-law immediately noticed the difference having ridden in the car with the OEM suspension weeks earlier. It was one of the first things he said when he rode in it after the coilovers were installed before I had told him about them. **Comparison to reducing air pressure in tires** I have the Gemini wheels and there have been rumblings that the Gemini wheels allow for the softest ride and that you can soften that further by reducing air pressure to around 38-39 PSI. I do not recommend this. While I was waiting for the coilovers to arrive I tried this and I don t think it made any difference to the ride feel at all. I think it s absolutely a placebo effect. If anything it was a detriment because the reduced air pressure results in higher friction and higher surface area for road contact which will just degrade your tires faster. I drove around like this for a couple weeks to help my wife s headaches while we waited for the coilovers and when I put the tires back to their original PSI she didn t notice at all. If you re thinking you ll just reduce your air pressure instead of buying these I really don t recommend it at all. **Other notes** Some people have worried about whether an installation like this voids the warranty and there are dissenting opinions about that. After doing research I concluded (like others have) that this work voids the warranty on any suspension-related issues your car may have but not other unrelated things. Also if you lower your car it could impact the ability of Tesla mobile service to do things like tire rotations and fixes. This is something to note if you plan to lower it more than I did. Mine is only a half-inch lower and when I had a tech come out to swap a flat tire he said he noticed the clearance on the jack was less than he was used to and he was initially worried it wouldn t fit. **Conclusion** I would definitely make this purchase again. It solved the thing that most annoyed me about driving this car. Really the only thing that bothers me about this whole thing is that the MY should come from the factory with a suspension like this. It s silly to have to make this kind of fundamental modification. Feel free to ask any questions. I m happy to answer! | $1725 for installation? Damn that seems way overpriced. | How often do the coil overs need to be rebuilt? | 47 | 7 | 9,024 |
q9krbl | 115 | An in-depth review of the Unplugged Performance Model Y luxury coilovers I have seen a lot of posts asking about the [Unplugged Performance luxury coilovers](https: unpluggedperformance.com product tesla-model-y-luxury-coilover-suspension-kit ) and how much of a difference they make the cost to install whether it s worth it etc. I have had these for a while now and I think I can shed some light on all of this for whoever is interested to help you figure out if it s worth it for you. I m happy to answer any questions that I can. I ll split this up into categories so it s easier for everyone to find the answers they are seeking. Unplugged Performance did ask if I planned to post something somewhere about my experience but they didn t offer anything for it and don t know my opinion so this is 100% unbiased and I won t gain or lose anything by posting it. I have a 2021 Model Y LR in black with the Gemini wheels. It s been two months since we had the coilovers installed and I ve driven about 5000 miles on them in that time. Here we go! **Why I decided to order** I saw some reviews before we decided to buy the MY that said the suspension was quite stiff. It seemed like a pretty common theme. This is a problem in my family because my wife gets bad headaches in cars that are really stiff like that. We test drove a MY and we loved it but she anticipated that she might get headaches on long drives plus we both agreed that it was unpleasantly stiff in comparison to our 2020 Subaru Forester Touring which has a super smooth ride. **Ordering Process** The process to order the coilovers is not super pleasant at least it wasn t when I was doing it. They are VERY backordered and even the long estimate I got was optimistic. I contacted UP via their website in mid-March 2021 after I had decided to order my Model Y. They let me know that the lead time for the coilovers was 8-12 weeks and that I could secure my place in the queue by paying 50% of the price which I decided to do. That amounted to $**1 272.50**. This was done via Paypal invoice so the process is somewhat ad hoc. If I weren t as tech-savvy it would ve seemed a little sketchy. Ultimately 8-12 weeks was pretty far off. I didn t actually receive them until July 27 (my birthday!) which was about 17 weeks of waiting in total. They arrive in a medium-size box that includes everything necessary for install (sans tools). **Cost** All told the cost to me was: * $2 495 for the coilovers * $1 725 for installation * = $4 220 **Installation** This is the most location-dependent part of the process as UP has a list of pre-approved install shops. I live in Seattle and there s only one approved installer here so I m guessing this is not a massive list. That said from what I ve heard if you have a shop that specializes in Teslas AND can do suspensions it s probably not going to be a problem for them. UP is communicative about this so I think they would have suggestions about how to find shops that would be able to handle an install if they didn t have an approved installer near your location. For me the install happened at [Cantrell Motorsports](https: cantrellmotorsport.com ) in Bellevue WA. They specialize in European auto repair specifically Porsches. Teslas are really not listed at all but they do this specific installation from time to time. I brought the car and the box to their shop. From watching videos others had posted about these I knew I wanted the settings to be fairly soft so I asked for them to be at about 25%. There are 32 degrees of softness (1 is softest 32 is hardest). Mine ended up at 8. I also had heard that the coilovers allow you to lower the car but I didn t want to do that so I asked for them to keep it as close to the original height as possible. Installation took a couple of days. I went to pick up the car and they walked me through how to adjust the settings. They also gave me the old coils. They had assumed I was installing coilovers to stiffen the suspension so they were surprised that I had asked for them to be softened instead. The tech said they thought that was weird until they saw the coils that came out of the MY. The guy said they were HUGE rivaling the ones he had on his 4Runner. He was confused about why Tesla had put such enormous coils in. The car ended up about a half-inch lower than it was with the previous coils - hardly noticeable. **Adjustment** After driving for a day or two I decided I wanted to soften things a bit further so I attempted to adjust the knobs. The front knobs are dead-easy to adjust. You just open the hood and pop off the vent panel at the top (super easy). The knobs poke up through there and you just twist them a bit to adjust. There is a distinguishable click between each setting. The only annoying thing is that there s no way to tell what setting it s currently at besides going fully one way or the other then counting the clicks. Additionally there s no indication of which direction is which for softness hardness on the dial but fortunately it s left-loosey-righty-tighty. I decided to set it down to 5 instead of 8. Adjusting the back knobs was much more difficult than I expected. The knobs are located inside the wheel well of both back wheels at the 1 o clock position. I had heard that a person with small arms might be able to reach the knob. This is probably true but you really would need small arms. I had no chance of reaching my hand back there. I tried using a tool to reach it which kind of worked but I couldn t feel the clicks as it turned. Ultimately I decided that I needed to jack the car up to reach it but I didn t have a jack. Due to the height of the car and the fact that it s even lower than before I bought a low-profile hydraulic jack. It is not necessary to remove the wheel to make the adjustment. As you raise the car the space between the top of the tire and the top of the wheel well increases. I raised it a few inches and that was enough to slide my hand in there. Spoiler alert that s a terrifying feeling knowing that a failing jack will break your arm. I recommend jack stands for this reason though I did not use them. **How does it feel?** This was what made me the most nervous - the reviews I had seen seemed to indicate that there was a noticeable pleasant difference between the OEM suspension and the coilovers but it s extremely anecdotal. It was very hard for me to tell if the difference would be sufficient. Fortunately I can say that it is. The suspension feels much more like our Forester than it did with the OEM suspension. Bumps are much less jarring. With the OEM suspension you feel every bump instantly and fully. The coilovers soften them and spread that force out over time so it s not like falling off a cliff it s more like sliding down the side. It s very hard to explain and I suspect this will be the most disappointing part of the review to most people wondering if they should buy these. I think I can confidently tell you that if you re noticing your Model Y s suspension all the time and you feel like it s really stiff and bumpy you would probably really enjoy the coilovers. I used to notice that all the time and now I never think about it. It is especially noticeable with potholes cobblestone train tracks and roads that have a lot of repairs or flaws in them. Going over those with the OEM suspension was teeth-chatteringly rough and that s drastically improved by the coilovers. If you re hoping they will make you glide over rough roads and you won t feel bumps anymore or something like that you shouldn t buy them. They aren t a magic bullet that makes your car smooth as butter but they will definitely take the edge off of bumpy roads. UP claims the coilovers make the MY suspension feel like similarly priced luxury vehicles and I agree with that claim. Having driven and ridden in similar vehicles I think the change here makes the MY feel like it *should* feel at its price point. Also if you never notice your suspension as it is you probably won t get a lot out of this. It s super adjustable and if you like the way your car drives now I doubt you d find enough value for the cost to justify buying this. Interestingly my father-in-law immediately noticed the difference having ridden in the car with the OEM suspension weeks earlier. It was one of the first things he said when he rode in it after the coilovers were installed before I had told him about them. **Comparison to reducing air pressure in tires** I have the Gemini wheels and there have been rumblings that the Gemini wheels allow for the softest ride and that you can soften that further by reducing air pressure to around 38-39 PSI. I do not recommend this. While I was waiting for the coilovers to arrive I tried this and I don t think it made any difference to the ride feel at all. I think it s absolutely a placebo effect. If anything it was a detriment because the reduced air pressure results in higher friction and higher surface area for road contact which will just degrade your tires faster. I drove around like this for a couple weeks to help my wife s headaches while we waited for the coilovers and when I put the tires back to their original PSI she didn t notice at all. If you re thinking you ll just reduce your air pressure instead of buying these I really don t recommend it at all. **Other notes** Some people have worried about whether an installation like this voids the warranty and there are dissenting opinions about that. After doing research I concluded (like others have) that this work voids the warranty on any suspension-related issues your car may have but not other unrelated things. Also if you lower your car it could impact the ability of Tesla mobile service to do things like tire rotations and fixes. This is something to note if you plan to lower it more than I did. Mine is only a half-inch lower and when I had a tech come out to swap a flat tire he said he noticed the clearance on the jack was less than he was used to and he was initially worried it wouldn t fit. **Conclusion** I would definitely make this purchase again. It solved the thing that most annoyed me about driving this car. Really the only thing that bothers me about this whole thing is that the MY should come from the factory with a suspension like this. It s silly to have to make this kind of fundamental modification. Feel free to ask any questions. I m happy to answer! | $1725 for installation? Damn that seems way overpriced. | Thanks for the detailed review. I ve been thinking about these but may wait a little longer just due to the cost. It s nice to know these are a good upgrade though. | 47 | 9 | 9,025 |
qa3ogc | 470 | Fire at Gruber Motors destroys 25 original Tesla Roadsters [Update] [https: driveteslacanada.ca roadster fire-at-gruber-motors-destroys-25-original-tesla-roadsters ](https: driveteslacanada.ca roadster fire-at-gruber-motors-destroys-25-original-tesla-roadsters ) | The fire started at an electrical panel not a car. Just in case anyone was wondering the same. | Holy shit... That s a lot of money. | 361 | 57 | 9,026 |
qa3ogc | 470 | Fire at Gruber Motors destroys 25 original Tesla Roadsters [Update] [https: driveteslacanada.ca roadster fire-at-gruber-motors-destroys-25-original-tesla-roadsters ](https: driveteslacanada.ca roadster fire-at-gruber-motors-destroys-25-original-tesla-roadsters ) | The fire started at an electrical panel not a car. Just in case anyone was wondering the same. | That absolutely sucks. Getting your roadster repaired in that part of the US just got much harder and I m sure it ll take them a while to set up shop again. | 361 | 121 | 9,027 |
qa3ogc | 470 | Fire at Gruber Motors destroys 25 original Tesla Roadsters [Update] [https: driveteslacanada.ca roadster fire-at-gruber-motors-destroys-25-original-tesla-roadsters ](https: driveteslacanada.ca roadster fire-at-gruber-motors-destroys-25-original-tesla-roadsters ) | That absolutely sucks. Getting your roadster repaired in that part of the US just got much harder and I m sure it ll take them a while to set up shop again. | Holy shit... That s a lot of money. | 121 | 57 | 9,028 |
qakbek | 215 | NOA improvements with FSD beta I have noticed 2 improvements for NOA after I received the beta. 1) NOA will now go highway to highway when it has a cloverleaf intersection 2) NOA stays active when the road becomes a divided highway ( no ramps ) Both of these scenarios would turn off NOA before. The graphics remain in “NOA” style. It made me wonder if this is the beginning of single stack? I haven t seen this mentioned by any of the beta YouTubers yet. Has anyone else seen this as well? | The Navigate on Autopilot that s in the FSD Beta 10.2 is the same as the one that s in the pure vision cars. It s not really the beginning of single stack as much as slightly different logic using the same mechanisms. I ve observed an issue with lane changing where if you re on a three lane highway and you re in the far right lane and someone is in the far left lane and the center lane is empty the car repeatedly has issues telling whether the vehicle in the far left lane is in fact in the left lane. I initiated a lane change to the center lane and the car aborted back to the right lane because the car in the left most lane drifted into the center lane. The car in the far left never drifted the car simply misjudged it and aborted it. When on FSD Beta you re basically using the bare minimum autopilot that the Pure Vision folks got when they took the radar out. I will say that when the lane changes do work its much more smooth than when the radar was in play. The only real comparison I can give is that radar based lane changing felt more programmatic in that you would start to signal the car would validate that it could change lanes change lanes then go back to Normal autopilot . Now you turn the signal on and it just goes over. It doesn t feel like a program s subroutine just kicked in to perform a task. But there s no single stack in play here yet it s just that you re seeing tasks performed without the radar now. Go Google up some videos of the Vision only vehicles doing their thing and you ll see the behavior is still the same it s just that now we re seeing vision car stuff. | I have seen this as well. I have also noticed a bit more wandering in the lane than usual. Not enough to be concerning just noticed it slightly adjusts more in the lane. | 50 | 6 | 9,029 |
qakbek | 215 | NOA improvements with FSD beta I have noticed 2 improvements for NOA after I received the beta. 1) NOA will now go highway to highway when it has a cloverleaf intersection 2) NOA stays active when the road becomes a divided highway ( no ramps ) Both of these scenarios would turn off NOA before. The graphics remain in “NOA” style. It made me wonder if this is the beginning of single stack? I haven t seen this mentioned by any of the beta YouTubers yet. Has anyone else seen this as well? | The Navigate on Autopilot that s in the FSD Beta 10.2 is the same as the one that s in the pure vision cars. It s not really the beginning of single stack as much as slightly different logic using the same mechanisms. I ve observed an issue with lane changing where if you re on a three lane highway and you re in the far right lane and someone is in the far left lane and the center lane is empty the car repeatedly has issues telling whether the vehicle in the far left lane is in fact in the left lane. I initiated a lane change to the center lane and the car aborted back to the right lane because the car in the left most lane drifted into the center lane. The car in the far left never drifted the car simply misjudged it and aborted it. When on FSD Beta you re basically using the bare minimum autopilot that the Pure Vision folks got when they took the radar out. I will say that when the lane changes do work its much more smooth than when the radar was in play. The only real comparison I can give is that radar based lane changing felt more programmatic in that you would start to signal the car would validate that it could change lanes change lanes then go back to Normal autopilot . Now you turn the signal on and it just goes over. It doesn t feel like a program s subroutine just kicked in to perform a task. But there s no single stack in play here yet it s just that you re seeing tasks performed without the radar now. Go Google up some videos of the Vision only vehicles doing their thing and you ll see the behavior is still the same it s just that now we re seeing vision car stuff. | The transitions between our city and freeways in our locales works well enough. No cloverleafs. But there are a few complicated loops it now makes with FSDbeta smoother than with previous non FSDbeta NoA. | 50 | 13 | 9,030 |
qbb085 | 55 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Set a notification when I hit a a certain mileage that lets me know when to rotate my tires. | If mirror auto fold locations are close to each other don t unfold and refold the mirrors just wait until sufficiently far from all mirror fold locations. This is a big one for me and my long narrow driveway. | 124 | 5 | 9,031 |
qbb085 | 55 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | More intelligent HVAC startup I open the door for my lady. The car starts the HVAC then it shuts down when I close her door. Then it starts back up when I open driver s door. Seems really unnecessary and probably adds wear and tear. Could be solved by adding a delay of 20 seconds before shutting it off to see if someone is getting into the driver s seat. | Apple music with Spatial Audio support. Or Tidal with Dolby Atmos but Apple s catalog is much bigger. | 117 | 2 | 9,032 |
qbb085 | 55 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | More intelligent HVAC startup I open the door for my lady. The car starts the HVAC then it shuts down when I close her door. Then it starts back up when I open driver s door. Seems really unnecessary and probably adds wear and tear. Could be solved by adding a delay of 20 seconds before shutting it off to see if someone is getting into the driver s seat. | If mirror auto fold locations are close to each other don t unfold and refold the mirrors just wait until sufficiently far from all mirror fold locations. This is a big one for me and my long narrow driveway. | 117 | 5 | 9,033 |
qc9d5l | 185 | Tesla Third Quarter 2021 Financial Results and Webcast **What**: Date of Tesla Q3 2021 Financial Results and Q& A Webcast **When**: Wednesday October 20 2021 **Time**: 4:30 p.m. Central Time 5:30 p.m. Eastern Time **Q3 2021 Update**: [http: ir.tesla.com](http: ir.tesla.com) **Webcast**: [http: livestream.tesla.com ](http: livestream.tesla.com ) (live and replay) | [Q& A](https: app.saytechnologies.com tesla-2021-q3) [**Press Release**](https: ir.tesla.com press-release tesla-q3-2021-vehicle-production-deliveries) **|** [**Shareholder Deck**](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com delivery public document tesla c7f38479-c161-4ddb-8e09-31211aa8078d S1dbei4 WEB TSLA-Q3-2021-Quarterly-Update) **| SEC Filing (TBD)** Post sorted by New for the latest commentary. Sort by Hot for the best voted commentary. Also see r TeslaInvestorsClub for more investor content related to Tesla as we focus solely on official releases and announcements. | I call complete bullshit on their response on the question of transferring FSD for early buyers. We already increased the price of your trade-in because you already have FSD or some such bs? Yeah ok that s exactly not what was asked. The whole point is that nobody should trust the blackbox trade-in value without a detailed breakdown. That s why the request was *transfer.* Maybe it should ve been add a clear price breakdown to the trade-in page. Anyway if you re not gonna do it fucking say you re not gonna do it. Don t beat around the bush and definitely don t make it sound like early buyers are wrong to ask specifically to transfer. Yeah we knew we d get mildly fucked for buying a product that didn t exist yet that matter s done and settled. But don t make us look like assholes for asking. e: on the plus side beta go brrrrr lol | Go Tesla go! | 71 | 4 | 9,034 |
qc9d5l | 185 | Tesla Third Quarter 2021 Financial Results and Webcast **What**: Date of Tesla Q3 2021 Financial Results and Q& A Webcast **When**: Wednesday October 20 2021 **Time**: 4:30 p.m. Central Time 5:30 p.m. Eastern Time **Q3 2021 Update**: [http: ir.tesla.com](http: ir.tesla.com) **Webcast**: [http: livestream.tesla.com ](http: livestream.tesla.com ) (live and replay) | [Q& A](https: app.saytechnologies.com tesla-2021-q3) [**Press Release**](https: ir.tesla.com press-release tesla-q3-2021-vehicle-production-deliveries) **|** [**Shareholder Deck**](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com delivery public document tesla c7f38479-c161-4ddb-8e09-31211aa8078d S1dbei4 WEB TSLA-Q3-2021-Quarterly-Update) **| SEC Filing (TBD)** Post sorted by New for the latest commentary. Sort by Hot for the best voted commentary. Also see r TeslaInvestorsClub for more investor content related to Tesla as we focus solely on official releases and announcements. | I call complete bullshit on their response on the question of transferring FSD for early buyers. We already increased the price of your trade-in because you already have FSD or some such bs? Yeah ok that s exactly not what was asked. The whole point is that nobody should trust the blackbox trade-in value without a detailed breakdown. That s why the request was *transfer.* Maybe it should ve been add a clear price breakdown to the trade-in page. Anyway if you re not gonna do it fucking say you re not gonna do it. Don t beat around the bush and definitely don t make it sound like early buyers are wrong to ask specifically to transfer. Yeah we knew we d get mildly fucked for buying a product that didn t exist yet that matter s done and settled. But don t make us look like assholes for asking. e: on the plus side beta go brrrrr lol | Big results | 71 | 5 | 9,035 |
qc9d5l | 185 | Tesla Third Quarter 2021 Financial Results and Webcast **What**: Date of Tesla Q3 2021 Financial Results and Q& A Webcast **When**: Wednesday October 20 2021 **Time**: 4:30 p.m. Central Time 5:30 p.m. Eastern Time **Q3 2021 Update**: [http: ir.tesla.com](http: ir.tesla.com) **Webcast**: [http: livestream.tesla.com ](http: livestream.tesla.com ) (live and replay) | [Q& A](https: app.saytechnologies.com tesla-2021-q3) [**Press Release**](https: ir.tesla.com press-release tesla-q3-2021-vehicle-production-deliveries) **|** [**Shareholder Deck**](https: tesla-cdn.thron.com delivery public document tesla c7f38479-c161-4ddb-8e09-31211aa8078d S1dbei4 WEB TSLA-Q3-2021-Quarterly-Update) **| SEC Filing (TBD)** Post sorted by New for the latest commentary. Sort by Hot for the best voted commentary. Also see r TeslaInvestorsClub for more investor content related to Tesla as we focus solely on official releases and announcements. | I call complete bullshit on their response on the question of transferring FSD for early buyers. We already increased the price of your trade-in because you already have FSD or some such bs? Yeah ok that s exactly not what was asked. The whole point is that nobody should trust the blackbox trade-in value without a detailed breakdown. That s why the request was *transfer.* Maybe it should ve been add a clear price breakdown to the trade-in page. Anyway if you re not gonna do it fucking say you re not gonna do it. Don t beat around the bush and definitely don t make it sound like early buyers are wrong to ask specifically to transfer. Yeah we knew we d get mildly fucked for buying a product that didn t exist yet that matter s done and settled. But don t make us look like assholes for asking. e: on the plus side beta go brrrrr lol | Who is the bored sounding guy doing most of the talking? | 71 | 7 | 9,036 |
qctvcg | 340 | NTSB Issues Investigative Update in Fatal April 17 Texas Tesla Crash [https: www.ntsb.gov investigations Pages HWY21FH007.aspx](https: www.ntsb.gov investigations Pages HWY21FH007.aspx) Of note emphasis mine > With the assistance of the EDR module manufacturer the NTSB Recorders Laboratory repaired and downloaded the fire-damaged EDR. Data from the module indicate that **both the driver and the passenger seats were occupied** and that the seat belts were buckled when the EDR recorded the crash. The data also indicate that the **driver was applying the accelerator in the time leading up to the crash application of the accelerator pedal was found to be as high as 98.8 percent.** The highest speed recorded by the EDR in the 5 seconds leading up to the crash was 67 mph. \\[3\\] | Textbook example of media speculation chasing clicks vs. a thorough investigation. Tragic event tragic outcome irresponsible reporting. | Wait...is this the one with the 4-hours fire that was caused by autopilot according to the media? With the model S? Or is that another one? | 270 | 11 | 9,037 |
qctvcg | 340 | NTSB Issues Investigative Update in Fatal April 17 Texas Tesla Crash [https: www.ntsb.gov investigations Pages HWY21FH007.aspx](https: www.ntsb.gov investigations Pages HWY21FH007.aspx) Of note emphasis mine > With the assistance of the EDR module manufacturer the NTSB Recorders Laboratory repaired and downloaded the fire-damaged EDR. Data from the module indicate that **both the driver and the passenger seats were occupied** and that the seat belts were buckled when the EDR recorded the crash. The data also indicate that the **driver was applying the accelerator in the time leading up to the crash application of the accelerator pedal was found to be as high as 98.8 percent.** The highest speed recorded by the EDR in the 5 seconds leading up to the crash was 67 mph. \\[3\\] | Most people blame the media for misreporting this but most of the blame should be on police officer Mark Herman who said: > They are 100% certain that no one was in the driver seat driving that vehicle at the time of impact. They are positive. > https: www.khou.com article news local tesla-crash-the-woodlands 285-2c0f520c-4643-440f-a51c-86e51c5d0a4e The only thing 100% was that it was premature for the police to make that kind of statement that early. They should have just said where they found the driver and passenger and they are investigating if one of them was in the driver seat initially. As for the 4 hour fire that also came from Herman s quote: > “It took four hours to put out a fire that normally would have taken a matter of minutes ” Constable Herman said. > https: www.nytimes.com 2021 04 18 business tesla-fatal-crash-texas.html Although it was true that the fire wasn t completely extinguished until 4 hours and 30 000 gallons later per the Fire Chief Palmer Buck. They put out the initial fire in less than 10 minutes but the batteries kept flaring up for hours so they had to keep watering it. > The initial fire was quickly put out he said but the vehicle smoldered and continued to ignite after that which is why firefighters used a small-diameter hose to keep water running onto the area to deal with any small flames that started. > By the time even the smallest embers were finally out many hours after the crash somewhere between 25 000 and 30 000 gallons were used Buck said. > https: www.caranddriver.com news a36189237 tesla-model-s-fire-texas-crash-details-fire-chief | Man there were so many people just adamant on the sdc sub and even Green was on board with them that this totally could be AP. I don t get it was so obvious everything reported pointed to this not being AP outside of the one dumb police officers report questioning why there were no drivers in the seat. It s like people wanted this to be an AP accident so bad they stopped looking at the evidence in front of their face pointing to the extremely obvious conclusion. | 48 | 4 | 9,038 |
qctvcg | 340 | NTSB Issues Investigative Update in Fatal April 17 Texas Tesla Crash [https: www.ntsb.gov investigations Pages HWY21FH007.aspx](https: www.ntsb.gov investigations Pages HWY21FH007.aspx) Of note emphasis mine > With the assistance of the EDR module manufacturer the NTSB Recorders Laboratory repaired and downloaded the fire-damaged EDR. Data from the module indicate that **both the driver and the passenger seats were occupied** and that the seat belts were buckled when the EDR recorded the crash. The data also indicate that the **driver was applying the accelerator in the time leading up to the crash application of the accelerator pedal was found to be as high as 98.8 percent.** The highest speed recorded by the EDR in the 5 seconds leading up to the crash was 67 mph. \\[3\\] | Most people blame the media for misreporting this but most of the blame should be on police officer Mark Herman who said: > They are 100% certain that no one was in the driver seat driving that vehicle at the time of impact. They are positive. > https: www.khou.com article news local tesla-crash-the-woodlands 285-2c0f520c-4643-440f-a51c-86e51c5d0a4e The only thing 100% was that it was premature for the police to make that kind of statement that early. They should have just said where they found the driver and passenger and they are investigating if one of them was in the driver seat initially. As for the 4 hour fire that also came from Herman s quote: > “It took four hours to put out a fire that normally would have taken a matter of minutes ” Constable Herman said. > https: www.nytimes.com 2021 04 18 business tesla-fatal-crash-texas.html Although it was true that the fire wasn t completely extinguished until 4 hours and 30 000 gallons later per the Fire Chief Palmer Buck. They put out the initial fire in less than 10 minutes but the batteries kept flaring up for hours so they had to keep watering it. > The initial fire was quickly put out he said but the vehicle smoldered and continued to ignite after that which is why firefighters used a small-diameter hose to keep water running onto the area to deal with any small flames that started. > By the time even the smallest embers were finally out many hours after the crash somewhere between 25 000 and 30 000 gallons were used Buck said. > https: www.caranddriver.com news a36189237 tesla-model-s-fire-texas-crash-details-fire-chief | Wait...is this the one with the 4-hours fire that was caused by autopilot according to the media? With the model S? Or is that another one? | 48 | 11 | 9,039 |
qdnird | 167 | I m four days into a week-long Mustang Mach-E rental. Here s how it compares. I have a 2020 Model 3 Long Range and have had it for a year or so. I needed to rent a car for my week-long trip to NYC and Turo is my preferred car rental service for personal trips. I was going to rent a Model 3 like I did last time but I thought Why not try something different? So I rented a 2021 Mustang Mach-E Premium AWD for a week. I ve been taking notes throughout my rental. I ve broken them down into separate comments to keep this post organized. I hope this helps folks who are comparing both vehicles or are just curious as to how they stack up. - [Ford Pass](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnk4lc ) - [Display](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnkcoy ) - [Navigation ](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnkizs ) - [Bluecruise Handsfree dangerous AF](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnkx8o ) - [CarPlay](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl0d3 ) - [Interior](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl20q ) - [Driving](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl643 ) - [Charging](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl8ee ) - [Other stuff](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnlarm ) I m going to cross-post this on r electricvehicles and r cars so check out the posts there for the 360º discussion. **TL DR**: The Mach-E is a fast and widely accommodating traditional CUV that happens to be a great EV. The Model 3 and Y are extremely opinionated rockets with the best autonomous driving technology on the planet and weird deficiencies in random places. If you want a car the Mach-E s great. If you want The Future™ get a Tesla. | ## Bluecruise Handsfree dangerous AF - Very low volume alert when it disengages (from using turn signals or during high grade curves) i.e. it s audible if music off but almost inaudible otherwise. Tesla ducks the audio to move alerts to the foreground. - Interface confusing gives you a cloud like thing when it s active. Why is it a cloud? - Definitely doesn t show you other cars around you - Landed up turning this off it was only helpful in the simplest of driving scenarios - does a good job on staying in lanes even lanes with cones on the sides - handles low curvature curves well enough at the cost of staying centered - aborts on higher grade curves but it aborts early which is nice - does not detect people or obstructions - can resume from zero when auto steer is on but requires you to press a button if it s off. very inconvenient but this is how it works in most other cars with acc - adjusts to speed limits well enough. i think it can also read speed limits. - does not lane change automatically though i think this is coming later - Tesla Autopilot is 1000000000000x better | ## Ford Pass - Cant reset my FordPass password... - Pretty easy to set up once I created a new account - Cool that I can use it despite being a guest (not possible with Tesla app) - Phone as a Key is stupid confusing to set up because it makes you passcode authenticate with a Bluetooth LE device that it sets up on your phone in a way that makes you think you re authenticating with the car itself - Some folks have made clients for the FordPass API and there is a Homebridge plugin for it to make it compatible with HomeKit. Neat. - You can t remote start if you tried remote starting it two times in succession. - The car goes to sleep after 24 hours of inactivity. You won t get a battery level while the car is asleep and you have to remote-start it to wake it. - Our Fusion Energi goes into deep sleep after a few days of inactivity. FordPass won t work when the car is in this state. Extremely inconvenient while traveling. I hope the Mach-E doesn t suffer from the same “feature.” | 56 | 20 | 9,040 |
qdnird | 167 | I m four days into a week-long Mustang Mach-E rental. Here s how it compares. I have a 2020 Model 3 Long Range and have had it for a year or so. I needed to rent a car for my week-long trip to NYC and Turo is my preferred car rental service for personal trips. I was going to rent a Model 3 like I did last time but I thought Why not try something different? So I rented a 2021 Mustang Mach-E Premium AWD for a week. I ve been taking notes throughout my rental. I ve broken them down into separate comments to keep this post organized. I hope this helps folks who are comparing both vehicles or are just curious as to how they stack up. - [Ford Pass](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnk4lc ) - [Display](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnkcoy ) - [Navigation ](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnkizs ) - [Bluecruise Handsfree dangerous AF](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnkx8o ) - [CarPlay](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl0d3 ) - [Interior](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl20q ) - [Driving](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl643 ) - [Charging](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl8ee ) - [Other stuff](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnlarm ) I m going to cross-post this on r electricvehicles and r cars so check out the posts there for the 360º discussion. **TL DR**: The Mach-E is a fast and widely accommodating traditional CUV that happens to be a great EV. The Model 3 and Y are extremely opinionated rockets with the best autonomous driving technology on the planet and weird deficiencies in random places. If you want a car the Mach-E s great. If you want The Future™ get a Tesla. | ## Bluecruise Handsfree dangerous AF - Very low volume alert when it disengages (from using turn signals or during high grade curves) i.e. it s audible if music off but almost inaudible otherwise. Tesla ducks the audio to move alerts to the foreground. - Interface confusing gives you a cloud like thing when it s active. Why is it a cloud? - Definitely doesn t show you other cars around you - Landed up turning this off it was only helpful in the simplest of driving scenarios - does a good job on staying in lanes even lanes with cones on the sides - handles low curvature curves well enough at the cost of staying centered - aborts on higher grade curves but it aborts early which is nice - does not detect people or obstructions - can resume from zero when auto steer is on but requires you to press a button if it s off. very inconvenient but this is how it works in most other cars with acc - adjusts to speed limits well enough. i think it can also read speed limits. - does not lane change automatically though i think this is coming later - Tesla Autopilot is 1000000000000x better | ## Display - Screen color temperature is too cool - Laggier than Model 3 - Love the knob! - WAYYYYY too many options. Just like SYNC 3. - The rear camera quality is pretty bad and you can t view it while driving (I use this feature all of the time in my Tesla) - You can view the front and wide-angle camera when your car is at low speed but not the rear camera. Makes no sense | 56 | 28 | 9,041 |
qdnird | 167 | I m four days into a week-long Mustang Mach-E rental. Here s how it compares. I have a 2020 Model 3 Long Range and have had it for a year or so. I needed to rent a car for my week-long trip to NYC and Turo is my preferred car rental service for personal trips. I was going to rent a Model 3 like I did last time but I thought Why not try something different? So I rented a 2021 Mustang Mach-E Premium AWD for a week. I ve been taking notes throughout my rental. I ve broken them down into separate comments to keep this post organized. I hope this helps folks who are comparing both vehicles or are just curious as to how they stack up. - [Ford Pass](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnk4lc ) - [Display](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnkcoy ) - [Navigation ](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnkizs ) - [Bluecruise Handsfree dangerous AF](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnkx8o ) - [CarPlay](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl0d3 ) - [Interior](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl20q ) - [Driving](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl643 ) - [Charging](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnl8ee ) - [Other stuff](https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qdnird im_four_days_into_a_weeklong_mustang_mache_rental hhnlarm ) I m going to cross-post this on r electricvehicles and r cars so check out the posts there for the 360º discussion. **TL DR**: The Mach-E is a fast and widely accommodating traditional CUV that happens to be a great EV. The Model 3 and Y are extremely opinionated rockets with the best autonomous driving technology on the planet and weird deficiencies in random places. If you want a car the Mach-E s great. If you want The Future™ get a Tesla. | This is great to read. Much more useful than Ford sucks . Great to see what s specifically good and bad. Ford will improve in time no doubt but it s good to know where they stand today | Good writeup so far! Thanks! | 29 | 2 | 9,042 |
qg65dl | 381 | Poor FSD Beta performance am I the only one? I m not going to lie I was super excited to get to finally try the FSD Beta to see what progress had been made through these years of waiting. When I finally got the build pushed to my car I took it for a daily commute to the gym. Here s how it went. The profile is on Assertive btw. Driving through the neighborhood I understand it treats it as any other road but the car travels literally in the middle of the road so I have to disable it until I get out of neighborhood. Turning out of neighborhood the creep is so slow and when it finally decides to go after sitting for a little while with no cars coming it s just too slow. Here s where I was pretty impressed at the 4 way stop sign it does really well at detected when it s turn is but again it s commitment to go is just way to slow so I find myself always on the acceleration pedal to speed it along before someone honks at me. When entering a 2 lane left turn it chose the one on the very left and what shocked me was it committed too hard and fast this time yanking me into the furthest lane. It then failed to correctly make the turn though. It also failed to make the turn at the light to my gym but that turn is a bit hard because of how sharp it is. I drive this commute every single day so I hope to see FSD grow enough to where I can actually babysit it and not intervene every second. I just wanted to share my experience with it and a bit of my disappointment as I ve had FSD for around 3 years now. | The funny thing is this is how the “safest drivers” are reacting - I wonder if it was flipped where the “unsafest drivers” were prioritized they d be like woah this thing drives amazingly haha | You don t have to disable it because it drives in the center. It will move over when it sees another car. | 132 | 2 | 9,043 |
qg65dl | 381 | Poor FSD Beta performance am I the only one? I m not going to lie I was super excited to get to finally try the FSD Beta to see what progress had been made through these years of waiting. When I finally got the build pushed to my car I took it for a daily commute to the gym. Here s how it went. The profile is on Assertive btw. Driving through the neighborhood I understand it treats it as any other road but the car travels literally in the middle of the road so I have to disable it until I get out of neighborhood. Turning out of neighborhood the creep is so slow and when it finally decides to go after sitting for a little while with no cars coming it s just too slow. Here s where I was pretty impressed at the 4 way stop sign it does really well at detected when it s turn is but again it s commitment to go is just way to slow so I find myself always on the acceleration pedal to speed it along before someone honks at me. When entering a 2 lane left turn it chose the one on the very left and what shocked me was it committed too hard and fast this time yanking me into the furthest lane. It then failed to correctly make the turn though. It also failed to make the turn at the light to my gym but that turn is a bit hard because of how sharp it is. I drive this commute every single day so I hope to see FSD grow enough to where I can actually babysit it and not intervene every second. I just wanted to share my experience with it and a bit of my disappointment as I ve had FSD for around 3 years now. | The funny thing is this is how the “safest drivers” are reacting - I wonder if it was flipped where the “unsafest drivers” were prioritized they d be like woah this thing drives amazingly haha | This is a yes or no answer type of question in which the only real answer is no and will result in many different variations of the exact same response that all could just be summarized by 3 words: it s a beta. | 132 | 2 | 9,044 |
qg65dl | 381 | Poor FSD Beta performance am I the only one? I m not going to lie I was super excited to get to finally try the FSD Beta to see what progress had been made through these years of waiting. When I finally got the build pushed to my car I took it for a daily commute to the gym. Here s how it went. The profile is on Assertive btw. Driving through the neighborhood I understand it treats it as any other road but the car travels literally in the middle of the road so I have to disable it until I get out of neighborhood. Turning out of neighborhood the creep is so slow and when it finally decides to go after sitting for a little while with no cars coming it s just too slow. Here s where I was pretty impressed at the 4 way stop sign it does really well at detected when it s turn is but again it s commitment to go is just way to slow so I find myself always on the acceleration pedal to speed it along before someone honks at me. When entering a 2 lane left turn it chose the one on the very left and what shocked me was it committed too hard and fast this time yanking me into the furthest lane. It then failed to correctly make the turn though. It also failed to make the turn at the light to my gym but that turn is a bit hard because of how sharp it is. I drive this commute every single day so I hope to see FSD grow enough to where I can actually babysit it and not intervene every second. I just wanted to share my experience with it and a bit of my disappointment as I ve had FSD for around 3 years now. | The funny thing is this is how the “safest drivers” are reacting - I wonder if it was flipped where the “unsafest drivers” were prioritized they d be like woah this thing drives amazingly haha | I you watched recent Beta videos that how FSD is at the moment. What you described is what most other testers experience. But it s getting better every week. Six months ago was considerably worse. | 132 | 3 | 9,045 |
qg7oih | 489 | FSD Beta Should BEEP BEEP BEEP When Reversing I was on FSD Beta 10.3.1 yesterday and came to a red light and needed to make a right turn. The car creeped forward for visibility and then reversed on its own to back away from cross traffic. Within a second and before I even realized that the car had reversed I pressed the accelerator to force it to go forward a bit however it was still in reverse and I had to quickly hit the brakes to avoid hitting the car behind me. It all happened very quickly but I think this problem could be avoided if the car simply made a BEEP BEEP BEEP sound whenever FSD is in reverse. It s very important that the driver knows what the car s intentions are at all times and in a split second decision you need to know whether the car is in drive or reverse. **EDIT:** Here s a more detailed timeline of events: 1. With FSD engaged the car came to a stop at the stoplight in the right turn lane with no cars in front and a car behind me. The route required a right turn and the car turned the right blinker on. 2. There was cross traffic and the car was failing to creep forward for the right turn. It is perfectly legal to make a right turn on red at this intersection. 3. It was necessary to creep forward to see around decorative brick planters bordering the intersection so I pressed the accelerator and moved the car forward 10 or so. 4. I felt that I was in a safe position but I guess the car thought I was too far out so it began to reverse a few feet. 5. I hit the brakes to stop it from moving backwards into the car behind me which disengaged FSD. 6. I shifted the car back into drive from reverse and proceeded to make the right turn on my own. In conclusion I do not beleive it was necessary for the car to reverse away from cross traffic in this instance. I had plenty of distance between the front of my car and the cross traffic. I was caught completely off guard by the car shifting into reverse and believe a beeping sound would have avoided the confusion. | Email this to [email protected] and see if they will take that suggestion. | Make it an option. One beep would be fine with me. | 259 | 3 | 9,046 |
qg7oih | 489 | FSD Beta Should BEEP BEEP BEEP When Reversing I was on FSD Beta 10.3.1 yesterday and came to a red light and needed to make a right turn. The car creeped forward for visibility and then reversed on its own to back away from cross traffic. Within a second and before I even realized that the car had reversed I pressed the accelerator to force it to go forward a bit however it was still in reverse and I had to quickly hit the brakes to avoid hitting the car behind me. It all happened very quickly but I think this problem could be avoided if the car simply made a BEEP BEEP BEEP sound whenever FSD is in reverse. It s very important that the driver knows what the car s intentions are at all times and in a split second decision you need to know whether the car is in drive or reverse. **EDIT:** Here s a more detailed timeline of events: 1. With FSD engaged the car came to a stop at the stoplight in the right turn lane with no cars in front and a car behind me. The route required a right turn and the car turned the right blinker on. 2. There was cross traffic and the car was failing to creep forward for the right turn. It is perfectly legal to make a right turn on red at this intersection. 3. It was necessary to creep forward to see around decorative brick planters bordering the intersection so I pressed the accelerator and moved the car forward 10 or so. 4. I felt that I was in a safe position but I guess the car thought I was too far out so it began to reverse a few feet. 5. I hit the brakes to stop it from moving backwards into the car behind me which disengaged FSD. 6. I shifted the car back into drive from reverse and proceeded to make the right turn on my own. In conclusion I do not beleive it was necessary for the car to reverse away from cross traffic in this instance. I had plenty of distance between the front of my car and the cross traffic. I was caught completely off guard by the car shifting into reverse and believe a beeping sound would have avoided the confusion. | Email this to [email protected] and see if they will take that suggestion. | Idk what s going on but why is it so hard to engage reverse in recent software updates? The other day someone was about to back in to me and I barely was able to save the situation because reverse wouldn t engage. | 259 | 18 | 9,047 |
qg7oih | 489 | FSD Beta Should BEEP BEEP BEEP When Reversing I was on FSD Beta 10.3.1 yesterday and came to a red light and needed to make a right turn. The car creeped forward for visibility and then reversed on its own to back away from cross traffic. Within a second and before I even realized that the car had reversed I pressed the accelerator to force it to go forward a bit however it was still in reverse and I had to quickly hit the brakes to avoid hitting the car behind me. It all happened very quickly but I think this problem could be avoided if the car simply made a BEEP BEEP BEEP sound whenever FSD is in reverse. It s very important that the driver knows what the car s intentions are at all times and in a split second decision you need to know whether the car is in drive or reverse. **EDIT:** Here s a more detailed timeline of events: 1. With FSD engaged the car came to a stop at the stoplight in the right turn lane with no cars in front and a car behind me. The route required a right turn and the car turned the right blinker on. 2. There was cross traffic and the car was failing to creep forward for the right turn. It is perfectly legal to make a right turn on red at this intersection. 3. It was necessary to creep forward to see around decorative brick planters bordering the intersection so I pressed the accelerator and moved the car forward 10 or so. 4. I felt that I was in a safe position but I guess the car thought I was too far out so it began to reverse a few feet. 5. I hit the brakes to stop it from moving backwards into the car behind me which disengaged FSD. 6. I shifted the car back into drive from reverse and proceeded to make the right turn on my own. In conclusion I do not beleive it was necessary for the car to reverse away from cross traffic in this instance. I had plenty of distance between the front of my car and the cross traffic. I was caught completely off guard by the car shifting into reverse and believe a beeping sound would have avoided the confusion. | Email this to [email protected] and see if they will take that suggestion. | Has anyone actually been able to get footage of it doing this yet? | 259 | 55 | 9,048 |
qh7rvr | 289 | Tweet: FSD beta: 98s get beta Sat Nov 6 which is 10 days from now. [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453475032253014019](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453475032253014019) 98s get beta Sat Nov 6 which is 10 days from now. If trend continues then 97s Nov 20. 96s Dec 4 95s Dec 18 and 94s Jan 1st all Saturdays. Also new FSD beta release schedule: [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453473174453198849](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453473174453198849) Quote: We will slow down upload rate of releases going forward. First from QA fleet to employee cars for a day then slowly releasing at \\~1000 cars hr to external beta on Friday aft. | How can you tell what your score is? Edit: nvm I found it. Lol 78 | Better to reset | 63 | 2 | 9,049 |
qh7rvr | 289 | Tweet: FSD beta: 98s get beta Sat Nov 6 which is 10 days from now. [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453475032253014019](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453475032253014019) 98s get beta Sat Nov 6 which is 10 days from now. If trend continues then 97s Nov 20. 96s Dec 4 95s Dec 18 and 94s Jan 1st all Saturdays. Also new FSD beta release schedule: [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453473174453198849](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453473174453198849) Quote: We will slow down upload rate of releases going forward. First from QA fleet to employee cars for a day then slowly releasing at \\~1000 cars hr to external beta on Friday aft. | How can you tell what your score is? Edit: nvm I found it. Lol 78 | So wait. Does that mean they aren t rolling out to anymore of the > =99 until this Friday afternoon(10 29)? | 63 | 2 | 9,050 |
qh7rvr | 289 | Tweet: FSD beta: 98s get beta Sat Nov 6 which is 10 days from now. [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453475032253014019](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453475032253014019) 98s get beta Sat Nov 6 which is 10 days from now. If trend continues then 97s Nov 20. 96s Dec 4 95s Dec 18 and 94s Jan 1st all Saturdays. Also new FSD beta release schedule: [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453473174453198849](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1453473174453198849) Quote: We will slow down upload rate of releases going forward. First from QA fleet to employee cars for a day then slowly releasing at \\~1000 cars hr to external beta on Friday aft. | How can you tell what your score is? Edit: nvm I found it. Lol 78 | I got 100 miles safety score just today. When do you think I will have email. Thank you... | 63 | 2 | 9,051 |
qhblsy | 149 | How to get the most out of Beta So I ve been seeing a lot of people talking about their experiences in very hyperbolic ways good and bad but I feel like a lot of the bad is from misaligned expectations. Having now used the beta for a while and driven hundreds of miles on all my daily routes and being very satisfied with it despite its problems I though I d share why I feel that way. In doing so I hope to help others who have either just gotten or will soon get the beta have the best experience. First and foremost remember that despite the name this is **NOT** FSD. This is City Streets and a beta at that. The goal with this step is not to make your car autonomous but to enhance its existing capabilities to be much more useful off highway. Think of it as NoA for off highway. With that expectation I suspect you will have a much better time dear reader because it will affect how you interact with the system. For example: Rather than expecting the car to simply get you from point A to B without your input think of it as trying to reduce your workload. With turns from stops I can focus on looking for cars and making sure the car waits for and gets the right gap rather than worrying about creeping into someone coming the other way. With turns off roads I can focus on making sure the car gets the angle right rather than worrying about braking. & #x200B What AP did for going straight this does for taking turns. It will mess up but the point isn t that it will do things for you its that you can focus on making sure it does it right rather than doing it right yourself. & #x200B If you felt comfortable using public AP and knew how to handle it well you ll be fine. The mental workload is honestly no worse. (Hell for me personally the roads and amount of turns I take it s less) That said roads where you couldn t use AP before can be rough. Unmarked roads in particular require attention as it likes to hug the center until there s a car coming and it s relatively close. Thing is if markings fade or are washed out by the sun it can treat them the same too. But so long as you watch out and put in the energy you re really supposed to be putting in with public AP you ll be okay. And as long as you remember that this is supposed to be NoA off highway you ll have a good time. & #x200B Thank you for coming to my TED talk. | I want to agree with you but my experience with FSD beta is that it doesn t reduce my workload at all. If anything it increases my workload anxiety and stress of driving. Now I don t mind that because I knew what I was signing up for but where AP and NoA are genuinely useful tools to reduce workload FSD is far from that and is ready at any moment to cause an accident. I really *wanted* FSD beta to be like NoA for city streets but in my experience I feel like an unpaid alpha tester. Again I sort of expected this but I don t want people to have an expectation that FSD beta is anything like NoA or normal AP. Those are useful tools to reduce workload. FSD beta increases mental load stress and anxiety while using it in hopes that our testing efforts will one day bring a truly useful tool to the masses. | Agree! Would rather be the supervisor vs the worke! Also I expect it to mees up.. but then blows my mind on what it can handle ! | 97 | 9 | 9,052 |
qhblsy | 149 | How to get the most out of Beta So I ve been seeing a lot of people talking about their experiences in very hyperbolic ways good and bad but I feel like a lot of the bad is from misaligned expectations. Having now used the beta for a while and driven hundreds of miles on all my daily routes and being very satisfied with it despite its problems I though I d share why I feel that way. In doing so I hope to help others who have either just gotten or will soon get the beta have the best experience. First and foremost remember that despite the name this is **NOT** FSD. This is City Streets and a beta at that. The goal with this step is not to make your car autonomous but to enhance its existing capabilities to be much more useful off highway. Think of it as NoA for off highway. With that expectation I suspect you will have a much better time dear reader because it will affect how you interact with the system. For example: Rather than expecting the car to simply get you from point A to B without your input think of it as trying to reduce your workload. With turns from stops I can focus on looking for cars and making sure the car waits for and gets the right gap rather than worrying about creeping into someone coming the other way. With turns off roads I can focus on making sure the car gets the angle right rather than worrying about braking. & #x200B What AP did for going straight this does for taking turns. It will mess up but the point isn t that it will do things for you its that you can focus on making sure it does it right rather than doing it right yourself. & #x200B If you felt comfortable using public AP and knew how to handle it well you ll be fine. The mental workload is honestly no worse. (Hell for me personally the roads and amount of turns I take it s less) That said roads where you couldn t use AP before can be rough. Unmarked roads in particular require attention as it likes to hug the center until there s a car coming and it s relatively close. Thing is if markings fade or are washed out by the sun it can treat them the same too. But so long as you watch out and put in the energy you re really supposed to be putting in with public AP you ll be okay. And as long as you remember that this is supposed to be NoA off highway you ll have a good time. & #x200B Thank you for coming to my TED talk. | My only complaint is the lane centering when on side streets that arent marked. The car will straddle the center line until another car is so close that the owner has to be really freaked out. If it understands where objects are and how to center itself it has to be an offset change to make it move further over to the right side of the road. Where it should be. Everything beyond this is excusable as the general turning errors feel as if it s learning but messing up lane centering is something that I know tesla has done before (moving over in the lane when passing large vehicles) so I can t excuse it and is honestly responsible for 90%+ of my disengagement. | with all due respect OP lowering expectations of FSD to make it seem better isnt really a step in the right direction or actually helping out current testers. you are a beta tester so you are generally positively biased towards tesla and most likely an investor of some sort in addition to the one vehicle we know you have. Appreciate the perspective but your view is beyond biased and potentially harmful to the wrong reader. from my 2nd hand experience fsd beta requires more attention than regular driving which for now is ok bc its in beta but as others im sure will attest it can be pretty erratic - you yourself said you like it despite its problems | 53 | 5 | 9,053 |
qhblsy | 149 | How to get the most out of Beta So I ve been seeing a lot of people talking about their experiences in very hyperbolic ways good and bad but I feel like a lot of the bad is from misaligned expectations. Having now used the beta for a while and driven hundreds of miles on all my daily routes and being very satisfied with it despite its problems I though I d share why I feel that way. In doing so I hope to help others who have either just gotten or will soon get the beta have the best experience. First and foremost remember that despite the name this is **NOT** FSD. This is City Streets and a beta at that. The goal with this step is not to make your car autonomous but to enhance its existing capabilities to be much more useful off highway. Think of it as NoA for off highway. With that expectation I suspect you will have a much better time dear reader because it will affect how you interact with the system. For example: Rather than expecting the car to simply get you from point A to B without your input think of it as trying to reduce your workload. With turns from stops I can focus on looking for cars and making sure the car waits for and gets the right gap rather than worrying about creeping into someone coming the other way. With turns off roads I can focus on making sure the car gets the angle right rather than worrying about braking. & #x200B What AP did for going straight this does for taking turns. It will mess up but the point isn t that it will do things for you its that you can focus on making sure it does it right rather than doing it right yourself. & #x200B If you felt comfortable using public AP and knew how to handle it well you ll be fine. The mental workload is honestly no worse. (Hell for me personally the roads and amount of turns I take it s less) That said roads where you couldn t use AP before can be rough. Unmarked roads in particular require attention as it likes to hug the center until there s a car coming and it s relatively close. Thing is if markings fade or are washed out by the sun it can treat them the same too. But so long as you watch out and put in the energy you re really supposed to be putting in with public AP you ll be okay. And as long as you remember that this is supposed to be NoA off highway you ll have a good time. & #x200B Thank you for coming to my TED talk. | My only complaint is the lane centering when on side streets that arent marked. The car will straddle the center line until another car is so close that the owner has to be really freaked out. If it understands where objects are and how to center itself it has to be an offset change to make it move further over to the right side of the road. Where it should be. Everything beyond this is excusable as the general turning errors feel as if it s learning but messing up lane centering is something that I know tesla has done before (moving over in the lane when passing large vehicles) so I can t excuse it and is honestly responsible for 90%+ of my disengagement. | Agree! Would rather be the supervisor vs the worke! Also I expect it to mees up.. but then blows my mind on what it can handle ! | 53 | 9 | 9,054 |
qigxb3 | 380 | Gen 3 charger can earn money soon and will show up in the Tesla Navigation (if public) & #x200B [From the page https:\\ \\ teslaenergy.formstack.com\\ forms\\ commercial\\_registration](https: preview.redd.it z949rukk3fw71.png?width=1608& format=png& auto=webp& s=f08e7a892bfb675b1297ed71ad5790020bf9a906) Tesla has uploaded a page for hosting commercial chargers. [https: www.tesla.com support commercial](https: www.tesla.com support commercial) Anyone with a Gen 3 Wall Connector that is publicly available can manage their charger to be used as pay for use charging . Also managing the assets pricing and analytics are possible. Cool stuff! | OH F YES - I ve been wanting this for so long - right now the only incentive for a business to install a charger is extra foot traffic and brand halo. If you can make it a moneymaking proposition that will be an explosion of availability of L2 chargers at grocery stores nice restaurants etc 🤘 | Is this a use case if we have a gen 3 charger setup at home? | 71 | 2 | 9,055 |
qigxb3 | 380 | Gen 3 charger can earn money soon and will show up in the Tesla Navigation (if public) & #x200B [From the page https:\\ \\ teslaenergy.formstack.com\\ forms\\ commercial\\_registration](https: preview.redd.it z949rukk3fw71.png?width=1608& format=png& auto=webp& s=f08e7a892bfb675b1297ed71ad5790020bf9a906) Tesla has uploaded a page for hosting commercial chargers. [https: www.tesla.com support commercial](https: www.tesla.com support commercial) Anyone with a Gen 3 Wall Connector that is publicly available can manage their charger to be used as pay for use charging . Also managing the assets pricing and analytics are possible. Cool stuff! | OH F YES - I ve been wanting this for so long - right now the only incentive for a business to install a charger is extra foot traffic and brand halo. If you can make it a moneymaking proposition that will be an explosion of availability of L2 chargers at grocery stores nice restaurants etc 🤘 | > To qualify for listing on Tesla s Find Us map and Trip Planner you must have regular business hours the ability to accommodate the public with goods and services and have full-time employees on site during those hours. This is kind of bogus. I have a business on a small town s Main Street but it s a B2B office as in not open to the public. Why is this a requirement I wonder. There are loads of businesses nearby where I d put it so it s not like it s inaccessible. | 71 | 25 | 9,056 |
qjfcl4 | 140 | FSD Auto High Beam Is there any way to disable auto high beams while using FSD beta? Being forced to use it makes FSD unusable at night for me… Oncoming traffic keeps shining their brights at me because mine turn off too late. | I really wish tesla would just pony up the couple dollars per car and install dedicated rain and headlight sensors | Yup annoyed the shit out of me but highly unlikely it changes. | 130 | 2 | 9,057 |
qjfcl4 | 140 | FSD Auto High Beam Is there any way to disable auto high beams while using FSD beta? Being forced to use it makes FSD unusable at night for me… Oncoming traffic keeps shining their brights at me because mine turn off too late. | I really wish tesla would just pony up the couple dollars per car and install dedicated rain and headlight sensors | Also having this issue. Fsd turned on high beams on a main road (two lanes either side plus center). Seems to be slow turning them off too | 130 | 3 | 9,058 |
qjfcl4 | 140 | FSD Auto High Beam Is there any way to disable auto high beams while using FSD beta? Being forced to use it makes FSD unusable at night for me… Oncoming traffic keeps shining their brights at me because mine turn off too late. | I really wish tesla would just pony up the couple dollars per car and install dedicated rain and headlight sensors | Disable completely? No. You can turn them off but they turn themselves back on after a few minutes. | 130 | 4 | 9,059 |
ql3npp | 34 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | ----All Models---- * Side camera view when relevant turn signal is on (this should be a toggle in options) * Weather overlay on map (toggle on map like satellite view). This shouldn t be impossible my Prius does it using NWS free info * child lock for individual rear doors (not all or nothing) | I d personally like to see a button to turn off heat. In the summer time it s often cool in the morning but not cool enough to warrant heat. The heat will run making it uncomfortable and if you turn the temp down then you ll realize a few minutes later you are freezing. | 69 | 3 | 9,060 |
ql3npp | 34 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Voice command to turn on headlights…or just turn on the damn headlights when the windshield wipers are going which is the law. | I d personally like to see a button to turn off heat. In the summer time it s often cool in the morning but not cool enough to warrant heat. The heat will run making it uncomfortable and if you turn the temp down then you ll realize a few minutes later you are freezing. | 46 | 3 | 9,061 |
ql3npp | 34 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Let us report fix incorrect speed limits. Seriously this is getting old. Shouldn t be that hard. | I d personally like to see a button to turn off heat. In the summer time it s often cool in the morning but not cool enough to warrant heat. The heat will run making it uncomfortable and if you turn the temp down then you ll realize a few minutes later you are freezing. | 38 | 3 | 9,062 |
ql5xhf | 114 | PSA Reminder: Winter Driving Tips Winter is always coming somewhere but since I live in North America I thought I d post a reminder of some tips from Tesla for cold winter driving. This is probably best targeted at Tesla owners who are hitting their first winter with their new(ish) awesome cars. https: www.tesla.com support winter-driving-tips | > If possible lower the cabin temperature setting and use seat heaters for added warmth. This one is interesting I m not a big heated seat guy but I guess they use less energy so I ll try it out. | Preconditioning the car (battery) is even more important for the new LFP packs right? | 41 | 8 | 9,063 |
qlcyja | 223 | 2021.40 brings ANC to refreshed Model S and X [https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1455620714866823173](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1455620714866823173) More release notes here: [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads 2021-40-downloading-right-now.245453 #post-6081787](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads 2021-40-downloading-right-now.245453 #post-6081787) https: preview.redd.it fghqj18oo8x71.png?width=614& format=png& auto=webp& s=c152e9435e17b3630a82fa46b7abdc7286afee4c | Tidal is here where s Apple Music and Spotify high quality | I can t wait to hear how it is! Besides ride quality noise is my other complaint in our Model 3s. | 34 | 4 | 9,064 |
qlcyja | 223 | 2021.40 brings ANC to refreshed Model S and X [https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1455620714866823173](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1455620714866823173) More release notes here: [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads 2021-40-downloading-right-now.245453 #post-6081787](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads 2021-40-downloading-right-now.245453 #post-6081787) https: preview.redd.it fghqj18oo8x71.png?width=614& format=png& auto=webp& s=c152e9435e17b3630a82fa46b7abdc7286afee4c | Tidal is here where s Apple Music and Spotify high quality | I m sure money has something to do with who is supported. | 34 | 4 | 9,065 |
qlcyja | 223 | 2021.40 brings ANC to refreshed Model S and X [https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1455620714866823173](https: twitter.com greentheonly status 1455620714866823173) More release notes here: [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads 2021-40-downloading-right-now.245453 #post-6081787](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads 2021-40-downloading-right-now.245453 #post-6081787) https: preview.redd.it fghqj18oo8x71.png?width=614& format=png& auto=webp& s=c152e9435e17b3630a82fa46b7abdc7286afee4c | Tidal is here where s Apple Music and Spotify high quality | 2021 model s plaid in Canada. Just downloaded and no active noise cancellation love up North :( | 34 | 6 | 9,066 |
qlfgor | 132 | Corded Mobile Connector price lowered to $400 While it is still out of stock Tesla has silently dropped the price of the Corded Mobile Connector from $520 to $400. https: shop.tesla.com product corded-mobile-connector For anyone unaware this version has the NEMA 14-50 cord hardwired in and can charge up to 40A over the UMC max of 32A if your car is capable. Standard range M3 can only do 32. Since the plug end can t be removed it is also handy for securing the charging cable in a NEMA 14-50 lockable outlet like the one below. https: www.lowes.com pd Eaton-50-Amp-GFCI-Receptacles-Overhead-Temporary-Power-Panel 3027570 | it really didn t make sense that this was more expensive than a wall connector and almost double the price of a mobile connector for 8A more also you can t even swap the plug which makes it less flexible than a MC even at $400 though it still seems overpriced imo | I m waiting for the wireless version but thanks | 61 | 30 | 9,067 |
qmhxnc | 63 | Experience with shared superchargers in the Netherlands How has it been for you guys? Lots of traffic? | Seeing all the videos shared by dutch youtubers supercharger have been barely visited by other EVs. I think most not-Tesla owners aren t aware of the news since it stayed in EV fans news (not on TV & main stream medias). But anyway even with the news making it to main stream medias I don t see them getting crowded. There is a plethora of fast charging facilities (Fastned Allego Ionity Shell Recharge & so on ...) so people have enough choice to recharge fast + most EV owners have free subscription to other networks when they buy an EV (little incentives to go charge at superchargers). In southern countries like France where network is a bit more challenging this might be different in future. | Would it make sense financially for majority of evs to use SC? I wonder of lower charge rate will result in higher fees? Did anyone do a writeup? | 67 | 2 | 9,068 |
qmhxnc | 63 | Experience with shared superchargers in the Netherlands How has it been for you guys? Lots of traffic? | Seeing all the videos shared by dutch youtubers supercharger have been barely visited by other EVs. I think most not-Tesla owners aren t aware of the news since it stayed in EV fans news (not on TV & main stream medias). But anyway even with the news making it to main stream medias I don t see them getting crowded. There is a plethora of fast charging facilities (Fastned Allego Ionity Shell Recharge & so on ...) so people have enough choice to recharge fast + most EV owners have free subscription to other networks when they buy an EV (little incentives to go charge at superchargers). In southern countries like France where network is a bit more challenging this might be different in future. | I never leave the house anymore but I imagine it s fine. Superchargers are almost never fully occupied here so many charging options. | 67 | 8 | 9,069 |
qmhxnc | 63 | Experience with shared superchargers in the Netherlands How has it been for you guys? Lots of traffic? | Seeing all the videos shared by dutch youtubers supercharger have been barely visited by other EVs. I think most not-Tesla owners aren t aware of the news since it stayed in EV fans news (not on TV & main stream medias). But anyway even with the news making it to main stream medias I don t see them getting crowded. There is a plethora of fast charging facilities (Fastned Allego Ionity Shell Recharge & so on ...) so people have enough choice to recharge fast + most EV owners have free subscription to other networks when they buy an EV (little incentives to go charge at superchargers). In southern countries like France where network is a bit more challenging this might be different in future. | I m curious how it s going to work out in the areas where there are superchargers that are routinely full have waits overall just busy. I m wondering if opening those will make it worse or if there are plans to ensure prioritization to Teslas somehow. | 67 | 9 | 9,070 |
qmzsqz | 324 | Model 3 and Model Y Changes - MSM paint now also free Black now $1.5k $1k price increase to all trims **Nov 5 Update:** * MSM no longer bumps up your order date to a sooner EDD they fixed this --- Another config updated rolled out tonight: **Model S and Model X** * A Model S or X with all base options is now October delivery delayed from June. Any paid option other than FSD beings it back up to June. * MS Plaid with White interior has EDD of March rather than December. This wasn t changed tonight but I haven t noticed it before now. **Model 3 and Model Y** * All trims had price increased by $1k * Midnight Silver Metallic is now free. White also remains free. * Black paint is now a $1500 upgrade. * All base options Model 3 SR and Model Y LR EDD is now October down from September. * Selecting any paid option other than FSD brings the EDD to June still. (This was still May when I made the post earlier tonight) **Model Y Only** * EDD for MY P moved from December to January | Why does this sound like a weekly GTAV update? | I m only seeing delivery estimates for the performance on mobile. edit: lol at downvoting me for facts. | 113 | 2 | 9,071 |
qmzsqz | 324 | Model 3 and Model Y Changes - MSM paint now also free Black now $1.5k $1k price increase to all trims **Nov 5 Update:** * MSM no longer bumps up your order date to a sooner EDD they fixed this --- Another config updated rolled out tonight: **Model S and Model X** * A Model S or X with all base options is now October delivery delayed from June. Any paid option other than FSD beings it back up to June. * MS Plaid with White interior has EDD of March rather than December. This wasn t changed tonight but I haven t noticed it before now. **Model 3 and Model Y** * All trims had price increased by $1k * Midnight Silver Metallic is now free. White also remains free. * Black paint is now a $1500 upgrade. * All base options Model 3 SR and Model Y LR EDD is now October down from September. * Selecting any paid option other than FSD brings the EDD to June still. (This was still May when I made the post earlier tonight) **Model Y Only** * EDD for MY P moved from December to January | Why does this sound like a weekly GTAV update? | Why so many incremental price increases lately? Why not just “once and done” it? | 113 | 2 | 9,072 |
qmzsqz | 324 | Model 3 and Model Y Changes - MSM paint now also free Black now $1.5k $1k price increase to all trims **Nov 5 Update:** * MSM no longer bumps up your order date to a sooner EDD they fixed this --- Another config updated rolled out tonight: **Model S and Model X** * A Model S or X with all base options is now October delivery delayed from June. Any paid option other than FSD beings it back up to June. * MS Plaid with White interior has EDD of March rather than December. This wasn t changed tonight but I haven t noticed it before now. **Model 3 and Model Y** * All trims had price increased by $1k * Midnight Silver Metallic is now free. White also remains free. * Black paint is now a $1500 upgrade. * All base options Model 3 SR and Model Y LR EDD is now October down from September. * Selecting any paid option other than FSD brings the EDD to June still. (This was still May when I made the post earlier tonight) **Model Y Only** * EDD for MY P moved from December to January | Why does this sound like a weekly GTAV update? | If I call in can I still buy a $35k model 3? | 113 | 2 | 9,073 |
qn535q | 224 | Autopilot w o FSD Can we discuss how absolutely wonderful autopilot is on its own? I d never choose another driver assistance interface after owning a Tesla. Autopilot for all! 🤍 | As a non fsd owner I m hoping we get a huge improvement on autopilot derived from fsd code. Not only on object perception but especially time persistency and overall safety. | Just don t be an idiot and fall asleep behind the wheel. Lol | 121 | 12 | 9,074 |
qn535q | 224 | Autopilot w o FSD Can we discuss how absolutely wonderful autopilot is on its own? I d never choose another driver assistance interface after owning a Tesla. Autopilot for all! 🤍 | As a non fsd owner I m hoping we get a huge improvement on autopilot derived from fsd code. Not only on object perception but especially time persistency and overall safety. | Autopilot is an awesome tool. It takes me from LA to SF with 1 or 2 disengagements which are usually for debris in the road. It takes much of the stress off driving. My biggest gripe with my other car s lane centering system (Civic hatchback) is it loses control when the lane markings get too faded. I d have to constantly help it through turns now AP handles all of it and I just have to focus on the road and what s going on ahead of me. And it works in stop and go traffic (other disables under 45 mph) | 121 | 44 | 9,075 |
qn535q | 224 | Autopilot w o FSD Can we discuss how absolutely wonderful autopilot is on its own? I d never choose another driver assistance interface after owning a Tesla. Autopilot for all! 🤍 | its fantastic on the open highway. absolutely a god send. i would pay 1 500 bucks for auto lane change. thats my only complaint. | I d be happy to see a highway only enhanced autopilot option. Highway seems so much easier and practical than city streets. | 69 | 2 | 9,076 |
qpdwfp | 216 | What an improvement! (10.4) I took 10.4 around town this morning and wow what a difference in confidence it had! It handled all turns like a champ where before it seems very hesitant and jerky in its movement. I understand this is still a beta but this felt like a huge step toward production release! Now if we could fix that lane-centering riding the center line BS I d say ship it. | I wanted 10.4 to be an improvement but for me it is just as hesitant (or even more so) on turns than with 10.3. Lots of phantom braking as well. | The auto high beams is seriously horrible… on off on off so many times this morning in the city. | 86 | 21 | 9,077 |
qpdwfp | 216 | What an improvement! (10.4) I took 10.4 around town this morning and wow what a difference in confidence it had! It handled all turns like a champ where before it seems very hesitant and jerky in its movement. I understand this is still a beta but this felt like a huge step toward production release! Now if we could fix that lane-centering riding the center line BS I d say ship it. | I wanted 10.4 to be an improvement but for me it is just as hesitant (or even more so) on turns than with 10.3. Lots of phantom braking as well. | FSD is a long way from a public release | 86 | 53 | 9,078 |
qpss6i | 67 | Tesla Software Update Megathread - 2021.36.x **2021.36.x** has rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. [Teslascope](https: www.teslascope.com) \\- Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. [TeslaFi](https: www.teslafi.com) \\- Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Please refer to the release note link for more specifics on vehicles. Your software versions may not be pushed to your car in any specific order and are deployed in batches. **2021.36.5.6 Release Highlights** - Mobile App Improvements - Autopark - Yoke Behavior Changes - Cold Weather Improvement - Airbag System Improvements - Bioweapon Defense Mode - Language Support **2021.36.8.6 Release Highlights** (FSD 10.4) - FSD v10.4 Release Notes - Sentry Mode Live Camera Access - Full Self-Driving (Beta) 10.4 - Driving Visualization Improvements - Cabin Camera 2021.40 is not far behind. Apologies for being late on this one ping me to keep me on my toes been busy lately! Thanks! | They need an outside mic for sentry mode live. Can t hear what people are saying | What if we re stuck on 2021.32.22 and don t want to opt-in to the FSD Beta? Anyone know how I can get back on the production branch? | 32 | 3 | 9,079 |
qpss6i | 67 | Tesla Software Update Megathread - 2021.36.x **2021.36.x** has rolled out to more than 5% of the fleet and working its way out to more vehicles! Learn more about Tesla vehicles updates [here](https: www.tesla.com support software-updates). Track your vehicle stats and see past updates: [Software Updates Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) \\- Past Megathreads + other information. [Teslascope](https: www.teslascope.com) \\- Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. [TeslaFi](https: www.teslafi.com) \\- Track Software Trips and Control your vehicle. Discover anything specific? Such as new Autopilot capabilities changes in the overall UI or known bugs that have been fixed share your findings here! Keep in mind some features may or may not be available based on your Model Model Year MCU Version Autopilot Hardware Version or Geographic Location. Please refer to the release note link for more specifics on vehicles. Your software versions may not be pushed to your car in any specific order and are deployed in batches. **2021.36.5.6 Release Highlights** - Mobile App Improvements - Autopark - Yoke Behavior Changes - Cold Weather Improvement - Airbag System Improvements - Bioweapon Defense Mode - Language Support **2021.36.8.6 Release Highlights** (FSD 10.4) - FSD v10.4 Release Notes - Sentry Mode Live Camera Access - Full Self-Driving (Beta) 10.4 - Driving Visualization Improvements - Cabin Camera 2021.40 is not far behind. Apologies for being late on this one ping me to keep me on my toes been busy lately! Thanks! | They need an outside mic for sentry mode live. Can t hear what people are saying | Still on 2021.32.22 on my 2020 M3 LR AWD... ADVANCED toggled... opted in for FSD Beta a couple weeks ago... ~150 miles at 99 Safety Score since last Thursday... no regular updates and or FSD Beta invite yet. :( | 32 | 5 | 9,080 |
qq9n4z | 569 | [US] Infrastructure Bill requires (1) non-proprietary charging connectors and (2) open access to payment methods [...] not be limited by membership to a particular payment provider to be eligible for federal funding. (s) Electric Vehicle Charging Stations.-- (1) Standards.--Electric vehicle charging infrastructure installed using funds provided under this title shall provide at a minimum-- (A) non-proprietary charging connectors that meet applicable industry safety standards and (B) open access to payment methods that are available to all members of the public to ensure secure convenient and equal access to the electric vehicle charging infrastructure that shall not be limited by membership to a particular payment provider. (2) Treatment of projects.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law a project to install electric vehicle charging infrastructure using funds provided under this title shall be treated as if the project is located on a Federal-aid highway. . https: www.congress.gov bill 117th-congress house-bill 3684 text | These are reasonable requests to get federal funding. I don t think Tesla needs it and they should not open up their charging stations to all EV s that s just my opinion. | What s your point here? | 244 | 2 | 9,081 |
qq9n4z | 569 | [US] Infrastructure Bill requires (1) non-proprietary charging connectors and (2) open access to payment methods [...] not be limited by membership to a particular payment provider to be eligible for federal funding. (s) Electric Vehicle Charging Stations.-- (1) Standards.--Electric vehicle charging infrastructure installed using funds provided under this title shall provide at a minimum-- (A) non-proprietary charging connectors that meet applicable industry safety standards and (B) open access to payment methods that are available to all members of the public to ensure secure convenient and equal access to the electric vehicle charging infrastructure that shall not be limited by membership to a particular payment provider. (2) Treatment of projects.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law a project to install electric vehicle charging infrastructure using funds provided under this title shall be treated as if the project is located on a Federal-aid highway. . https: www.congress.gov bill 117th-congress house-bill 3684 text | Cool by me. Especially if I can buy a reasonably priced CCS adapter for my Tesla. More charging infrastructure is a win for all EVa. | What s your point here? | 202 | 2 | 9,082 |
qq9n4z | 569 | [US] Infrastructure Bill requires (1) non-proprietary charging connectors and (2) open access to payment methods [...] not be limited by membership to a particular payment provider to be eligible for federal funding. (s) Electric Vehicle Charging Stations.-- (1) Standards.--Electric vehicle charging infrastructure installed using funds provided under this title shall provide at a minimum-- (A) non-proprietary charging connectors that meet applicable industry safety standards and (B) open access to payment methods that are available to all members of the public to ensure secure convenient and equal access to the electric vehicle charging infrastructure that shall not be limited by membership to a particular payment provider. (2) Treatment of projects.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law a project to install electric vehicle charging infrastructure using funds provided under this title shall be treated as if the project is located on a Federal-aid highway. . https: www.congress.gov bill 117th-congress house-bill 3684 text | Cool by me. Especially if I can buy a reasonably priced CCS adapter for my Tesla. More charging infrastructure is a win for all EVa. | Tesla doesn t need this. If anything I think the other brands need the Tesla network more than Tesla needs them. Just keep expanding and focusing on stamping out bad customer experiences inside the community. Opening up will only invite more bad experiences and bad is way more powerful than good. | 202 | 4 | 9,083 |
qqlf3q | 317 | Tesla Vision in stop and go traffic is noticeably rougher than when radar was enabled. Is quite frustrating on typical highway drives. (FSD Beta install disabled all radar) I m a 2018 Model 3 RWD owner and have been using FSD beta build for about a month now. As many of you probably know once you install an FSD build on your vehicle the radar gets completely disabled even when the FSD Beta features are not in use. Tesla Vision is in use at all times just like on more recently purchased Model 3 s and Model Y s. Here s my concern (which I m looking for feedback about to determine if others have had the same experience): Prior to updating to Tesla Vision radar based AP on highways was fantastic even in stop and go traffic where the flow would changed from 0-30mph over and over. Truly a joy to use - even my wife looked forward to using this feature on road trips whether driving or a passenger. Rarely was there any extreme acceleration or deceleration nor was there delay in realizing the car in front was moving or quickly slowing down. Since installing the FSD beta build software and having the radar disabled (using Tesla vision) using AP on highways is functional but a fairly stressful experience. It s no longer a joy to use and my passengers simply cannot stand it in stop and go traffic. In such traffic it almost always begins breaking too late and accelerates too aggressively when the lead car has given no indication it will be speeding up any significant amount (leading to another hard breaking event). It s this a common experience? Are literally all 3 s and Y s being produced now experiencing this same performance quality? I have to say it was pretty jarring & surprising to have something that was so polished take such a significant step backward with no word from Tesla to clearly set that expectation. To clarify I don t see a safety issue here (except maybe an increased chance of being rear-ended due to sudden stops at lower speeds). The feature is simply far less natural comfortable to use... Enough that we ve considered opting out of the beta to get radar enabled AP back until there s word of noticeable improvement. Edit: Perhaps Tesla Vision does not truly disable radar altogether but rather greatly deprioritizes the input data received on cars that have it (while also able to function on cars that have no radar) This would make sense as they fine-tune the vision only methods and I identify areas where they are superior. Unfortunately as an end user it s easiest to identify areas where the vision methods are not superior. | So much phantom braking too. Car coming in another lane? Slam them brakes. Overhead wires? Quick stop this sucker! A shadow on the pavement? Alert President Madagascar shut down everything. It s worse than TACC was when I got my car in 2019. Dozens of times per 100 miles on quiet country roads. I m more or less ok with it because this is something I opted into but I do feel sorry for owners of vision only cars who expect a working cruise control in 2021. | Non FSD Beta user here and I recently started having an issue where the car wants to hard brake while in slow traffic. For some reason it wants to just come to a stop despite the car in front of me moving at a slow speed. | 61 | 5 | 9,084 |
qqlf3q | 317 | Tesla Vision in stop and go traffic is noticeably rougher than when radar was enabled. Is quite frustrating on typical highway drives. (FSD Beta install disabled all radar) I m a 2018 Model 3 RWD owner and have been using FSD beta build for about a month now. As many of you probably know once you install an FSD build on your vehicle the radar gets completely disabled even when the FSD Beta features are not in use. Tesla Vision is in use at all times just like on more recently purchased Model 3 s and Model Y s. Here s my concern (which I m looking for feedback about to determine if others have had the same experience): Prior to updating to Tesla Vision radar based AP on highways was fantastic even in stop and go traffic where the flow would changed from 0-30mph over and over. Truly a joy to use - even my wife looked forward to using this feature on road trips whether driving or a passenger. Rarely was there any extreme acceleration or deceleration nor was there delay in realizing the car in front was moving or quickly slowing down. Since installing the FSD beta build software and having the radar disabled (using Tesla vision) using AP on highways is functional but a fairly stressful experience. It s no longer a joy to use and my passengers simply cannot stand it in stop and go traffic. In such traffic it almost always begins breaking too late and accelerates too aggressively when the lead car has given no indication it will be speeding up any significant amount (leading to another hard breaking event). It s this a common experience? Are literally all 3 s and Y s being produced now experiencing this same performance quality? I have to say it was pretty jarring & surprising to have something that was so polished take such a significant step backward with no word from Tesla to clearly set that expectation. To clarify I don t see a safety issue here (except maybe an increased chance of being rear-ended due to sudden stops at lower speeds). The feature is simply far less natural comfortable to use... Enough that we ve considered opting out of the beta to get radar enabled AP back until there s word of noticeable improvement. Edit: Perhaps Tesla Vision does not truly disable radar altogether but rather greatly deprioritizes the input data received on cars that have it (while also able to function on cars that have no radar) This would make sense as they fine-tune the vision only methods and I identify areas where they are superior. Unfortunately as an end user it s easiest to identify areas where the vision methods are not superior. | So much phantom braking too. Car coming in another lane? Slam them brakes. Overhead wires? Quick stop this sucker! A shadow on the pavement? Alert President Madagascar shut down everything. It s worse than TACC was when I got my car in 2019. Dozens of times per 100 miles on quiet country roads. I m more or less ok with it because this is something I opted into but I do feel sorry for owners of vision only cars who expect a working cruise control in 2021. | *To me* I think what we re seeing here is a bit of few years of regression while they get the system running back to normal. Lane changing was pretty rough back in the day you had to really be on it in keeping an eye on your surroundings when having the car automatically change lanes for you. Now it s a pretty seamless experience that you don t even really think about anymore. *So many times* I just turn the signal on and let the car put itself into the other lane. 90% of the time I ve not checking anything other than my mirrors when doing this because I know if there s a car *right* next to me it won t change lanes in to that car. In my 2017 Model X with AP2.5 cameras and FSD Beta 10.4 I have not yet seen the regression you re seeing. In thickish traffic the vehicle behaves similarly to when there s a radar in the car. That being said I ve done a camera recalibration while on 10.2 and again 10.3. In fact I m planning a fairly lengthy trip this coming weekend and before leaving the house I m going to trigger a camera calibration again to make sure it s operating as desired for the trip. | 61 | 7 | 9,085 |
qqlf3q | 317 | Tesla Vision in stop and go traffic is noticeably rougher than when radar was enabled. Is quite frustrating on typical highway drives. (FSD Beta install disabled all radar) I m a 2018 Model 3 RWD owner and have been using FSD beta build for about a month now. As many of you probably know once you install an FSD build on your vehicle the radar gets completely disabled even when the FSD Beta features are not in use. Tesla Vision is in use at all times just like on more recently purchased Model 3 s and Model Y s. Here s my concern (which I m looking for feedback about to determine if others have had the same experience): Prior to updating to Tesla Vision radar based AP on highways was fantastic even in stop and go traffic where the flow would changed from 0-30mph over and over. Truly a joy to use - even my wife looked forward to using this feature on road trips whether driving or a passenger. Rarely was there any extreme acceleration or deceleration nor was there delay in realizing the car in front was moving or quickly slowing down. Since installing the FSD beta build software and having the radar disabled (using Tesla vision) using AP on highways is functional but a fairly stressful experience. It s no longer a joy to use and my passengers simply cannot stand it in stop and go traffic. In such traffic it almost always begins breaking too late and accelerates too aggressively when the lead car has given no indication it will be speeding up any significant amount (leading to another hard breaking event). It s this a common experience? Are literally all 3 s and Y s being produced now experiencing this same performance quality? I have to say it was pretty jarring & surprising to have something that was so polished take such a significant step backward with no word from Tesla to clearly set that expectation. To clarify I don t see a safety issue here (except maybe an increased chance of being rear-ended due to sudden stops at lower speeds). The feature is simply far less natural comfortable to use... Enough that we ve considered opting out of the beta to get radar enabled AP back until there s word of noticeable improvement. Edit: Perhaps Tesla Vision does not truly disable radar altogether but rather greatly deprioritizes the input data received on cars that have it (while also able to function on cars that have no radar) This would make sense as they fine-tune the vision only methods and I identify areas where they are superior. Unfortunately as an end user it s easiest to identify areas where the vision methods are not superior. | So much phantom braking too. Car coming in another lane? Slam them brakes. Overhead wires? Quick stop this sucker! A shadow on the pavement? Alert President Madagascar shut down everything. It s worse than TACC was when I got my car in 2019. Dozens of times per 100 miles on quiet country roads. I m more or less ok with it because this is something I opted into but I do feel sorry for owners of vision only cars who expect a working cruise control in 2021. | Stabdard AP was in a local maximum so you saw the best possible of that version. New version will take a while to ramp up ( especially full stack) but it will be much better long term. | 61 | 17 | 9,086 |
qqtpm8 | 651 | How to report an intersection that autopilot consistently gets dangerously wrong? There s an intersection near my house that our MY gets wrong every single time. There are 3 lanes and unless I m in the left lane it changes lanes to the left while in the middle of the intersection. The lane changes are fast and jarring and there is no signal since it seems to think it s staying in the same lane and I don t have FSD. It s probably getting confused because the road is curved here but it handles curves everywhere else just fine. So aside from submitting bug reports which I have been doing for months is there a way to get this to someone at Tesla that can do something about it? It s only a matter of time until this causes a crash. Edit: I d like to point out that this isn t a normal lane change it s more of a rapid swerve with no turn signal. There is very little time to react even while paying attention with both hands on the wheel. Edit 2: I disable AP here because I know about it but I m worried about other drivers in the future and would like to save them the trouble of discovering this themselves the hard way. Edit 3: I ve been assuming there is a Tesla-operated database for them to update with extra lane information or something. Does anyone know if such a database even exists? Or would fixing this require them to actually make the AP system smarter? Edit 4: For the curious here s the intersection: https: www.google.com maps place 33%C2%B018 37.4%22N+111%C2%B044 49.4%22W This only happens in the southbound lanes. | You don t. | After driving through the problem intersection use the voice command “bug report.” I m not sure what Tesla does with the bug reports I send them but it does take note. | 203 | 3 | 9,087 |
qqtpm8 | 651 | How to report an intersection that autopilot consistently gets dangerously wrong? There s an intersection near my house that our MY gets wrong every single time. There are 3 lanes and unless I m in the left lane it changes lanes to the left while in the middle of the intersection. The lane changes are fast and jarring and there is no signal since it seems to think it s staying in the same lane and I don t have FSD. It s probably getting confused because the road is curved here but it handles curves everywhere else just fine. So aside from submitting bug reports which I have been doing for months is there a way to get this to someone at Tesla that can do something about it? It s only a matter of time until this causes a crash. Edit: I d like to point out that this isn t a normal lane change it s more of a rapid swerve with no turn signal. There is very little time to react even while paying attention with both hands on the wheel. Edit 2: I disable AP here because I know about it but I m worried about other drivers in the future and would like to save them the trouble of discovering this themselves the hard way. Edit 3: I ve been assuming there is a Tesla-operated database for them to update with extra lane information or something. Does anyone know if such a database even exists? Or would fixing this require them to actually make the AP system smarter? Edit 4: For the curious here s the intersection: https: www.google.com maps place 33%C2%B018 37.4%22N+111%C2%B044 49.4%22W This only happens in the southbound lanes. | You don t. | Autopilot isn t really meant for use on city streets (through intersections). I m assuming you re using production AP which Tesla says is meant for freeways and divided highways. > It s only a matter of time until this causes a crash. Don t let it get to that point. If it doesn t feel right take over. Since you know it s going to mess up everytime take over before you enter the intersection then re-engage once you re fully through it. | 203 | 14 | 9,088 |
qqtpm8 | 651 | How to report an intersection that autopilot consistently gets dangerously wrong? There s an intersection near my house that our MY gets wrong every single time. There are 3 lanes and unless I m in the left lane it changes lanes to the left while in the middle of the intersection. The lane changes are fast and jarring and there is no signal since it seems to think it s staying in the same lane and I don t have FSD. It s probably getting confused because the road is curved here but it handles curves everywhere else just fine. So aside from submitting bug reports which I have been doing for months is there a way to get this to someone at Tesla that can do something about it? It s only a matter of time until this causes a crash. Edit: I d like to point out that this isn t a normal lane change it s more of a rapid swerve with no turn signal. There is very little time to react even while paying attention with both hands on the wheel. Edit 2: I disable AP here because I know about it but I m worried about other drivers in the future and would like to save them the trouble of discovering this themselves the hard way. Edit 3: I ve been assuming there is a Tesla-operated database for them to update with extra lane information or something. Does anyone know if such a database even exists? Or would fixing this require them to actually make the AP system smarter? Edit 4: For the curious here s the intersection: https: www.google.com maps place 33%C2%B018 37.4%22N+111%C2%B044 49.4%22W This only happens in the southbound lanes. | You don t. | > It s only a matter of time until this causes a crash. You are the driver. You would be responsible for any such crash. | 203 | 19 | 9,089 |
qrollg | 1,107 | I m Leaving FSD Beta ## TLDR There are too many issues with the basics that FSD Beta should be called Alpha *(imho)* and because I share this vehicle with my wife I ll be requesting to leave the beta. ## Longer version: First I ll say that I m a huge fan of Tesla and have owned 2016 Model X P90D and currently own 2021 Model Y LR and some stock. Overall my wife and I have been overly satisfied with our purchases and investment with Tesla. *Now the critical part* **Primary issue** -> all the phantom braking. While I understand that it s a beta this is just unnerving and scary. Generally though I would not be as concerned if my wife was able to turn FSD beta off for her profile and the issues would go away. However that is not how it works. Even just basic TACC does the phantom braking (with FSD option completely disabled in the menu). *Potential solution* ship beta along side the standard autopilot suite so owners can fallback to a known good product when they want to give their white knuckles a break. **Other issues** -> * high beams - constantly flashing oncoming traffic at night (they are objectively subpar and at worst dangerous to oncoming vehicles) and the part that I cannot agree with is that it s enabled by default. There are other issues associated like returning you to your state before you enabled FSD. I.e. high beams manually turned on enable FSD turn off high beams disable FSD high beams turn on automatically. * I can no longer manage speed in FSD beta (particularly deceleration when entering a slower speed limit zone) because although the scroll wheel does change my desired speed the vehicle does not slow down within a reasonable distance. For instance speed limit goes from 55 to 45. I preemptively scroll the wheel well before the sign. However the vehicle continues at 55 maybe 54 with no feedback that indicates it s actually respecting my set speed limit. This is bad for 2 reasons first speeding tickets and second have to hit the brakes and then re-engage FSD beta. There are smaller issues that many have already reported about and I can forgive many of those since this is a beta. In general my forgiveness is rather high as I myself am in the software industry. However these items I ve highlighted above just make FSD too much work for me and add too much stress to my life and my wife s. Thanks for reading this far you re my hero! *Edit: I certainly don t mean to belittle all the hard work and dedication by the engineers at Tesla. So thank you to all your hard work Tesla team!* *UPDATE: I still have not been removed but I have not been getting software updates (still on 10.5). I guess I m being punished for not being a “team player”…* | Couldn t be written any more fairly. Anyone that has an issue with it is either oblivious or haven t experienced the extensive phantom breaking in beta. | You could keep it and just not use it…then when it gets to whatever level you are comfortable with start testing again. Also just a call out if you are part of the beta you should consider yourself a tester not FSD beta as a tool. | 536 | 4 | 9,090 |
qrollg | 1,107 | I m Leaving FSD Beta ## TLDR There are too many issues with the basics that FSD Beta should be called Alpha *(imho)* and because I share this vehicle with my wife I ll be requesting to leave the beta. ## Longer version: First I ll say that I m a huge fan of Tesla and have owned 2016 Model X P90D and currently own 2021 Model Y LR and some stock. Overall my wife and I have been overly satisfied with our purchases and investment with Tesla. *Now the critical part* **Primary issue** -> all the phantom braking. While I understand that it s a beta this is just unnerving and scary. Generally though I would not be as concerned if my wife was able to turn FSD beta off for her profile and the issues would go away. However that is not how it works. Even just basic TACC does the phantom braking (with FSD option completely disabled in the menu). *Potential solution* ship beta along side the standard autopilot suite so owners can fallback to a known good product when they want to give their white knuckles a break. **Other issues** -> * high beams - constantly flashing oncoming traffic at night (they are objectively subpar and at worst dangerous to oncoming vehicles) and the part that I cannot agree with is that it s enabled by default. There are other issues associated like returning you to your state before you enabled FSD. I.e. high beams manually turned on enable FSD turn off high beams disable FSD high beams turn on automatically. * I can no longer manage speed in FSD beta (particularly deceleration when entering a slower speed limit zone) because although the scroll wheel does change my desired speed the vehicle does not slow down within a reasonable distance. For instance speed limit goes from 55 to 45. I preemptively scroll the wheel well before the sign. However the vehicle continues at 55 maybe 54 with no feedback that indicates it s actually respecting my set speed limit. This is bad for 2 reasons first speeding tickets and second have to hit the brakes and then re-engage FSD beta. There are smaller issues that many have already reported about and I can forgive many of those since this is a beta. In general my forgiveness is rather high as I myself am in the software industry. However these items I ve highlighted above just make FSD too much work for me and add too much stress to my life and my wife s. Thanks for reading this far you re my hero! *Edit: I certainly don t mean to belittle all the hard work and dedication by the engineers at Tesla. So thank you to all your hard work Tesla team!* *UPDATE: I still have not been removed but I have not been getting software updates (still on 10.5). I guess I m being punished for not being a “team player”…* | Couldn t be written any more fairly. Anyone that has an issue with it is either oblivious or haven t experienced the extensive phantom breaking in beta. | I think you are doing the right thing. I can not imagine leaving FSD beta as I have thoroughly enjoyed testing it and see it improve over time. However FSD beta is not for everyone. | 536 | 7 | 9,091 |
qrollg | 1,107 | I m Leaving FSD Beta ## TLDR There are too many issues with the basics that FSD Beta should be called Alpha *(imho)* and because I share this vehicle with my wife I ll be requesting to leave the beta. ## Longer version: First I ll say that I m a huge fan of Tesla and have owned 2016 Model X P90D and currently own 2021 Model Y LR and some stock. Overall my wife and I have been overly satisfied with our purchases and investment with Tesla. *Now the critical part* **Primary issue** -> all the phantom braking. While I understand that it s a beta this is just unnerving and scary. Generally though I would not be as concerned if my wife was able to turn FSD beta off for her profile and the issues would go away. However that is not how it works. Even just basic TACC does the phantom braking (with FSD option completely disabled in the menu). *Potential solution* ship beta along side the standard autopilot suite so owners can fallback to a known good product when they want to give their white knuckles a break. **Other issues** -> * high beams - constantly flashing oncoming traffic at night (they are objectively subpar and at worst dangerous to oncoming vehicles) and the part that I cannot agree with is that it s enabled by default. There are other issues associated like returning you to your state before you enabled FSD. I.e. high beams manually turned on enable FSD turn off high beams disable FSD high beams turn on automatically. * I can no longer manage speed in FSD beta (particularly deceleration when entering a slower speed limit zone) because although the scroll wheel does change my desired speed the vehicle does not slow down within a reasonable distance. For instance speed limit goes from 55 to 45. I preemptively scroll the wheel well before the sign. However the vehicle continues at 55 maybe 54 with no feedback that indicates it s actually respecting my set speed limit. This is bad for 2 reasons first speeding tickets and second have to hit the brakes and then re-engage FSD beta. There are smaller issues that many have already reported about and I can forgive many of those since this is a beta. In general my forgiveness is rather high as I myself am in the software industry. However these items I ve highlighted above just make FSD too much work for me and add too much stress to my life and my wife s. Thanks for reading this far you re my hero! *Edit: I certainly don t mean to belittle all the hard work and dedication by the engineers at Tesla. So thank you to all your hard work Tesla team!* *UPDATE: I still have not been removed but I have not been getting software updates (still on 10.5). I guess I m being punished for not being a “team player”…* | Couldn t be written any more fairly. Anyone that has an issue with it is either oblivious or haven t experienced the extensive phantom breaking in beta. | I was under the impression you could turn FSD Beta off on the other driver profiles. I m almost positive I saw an option for that in my car. I d double check it right now before posting but my car is in the service center so I apologize if my memory statement are incorrect. | 536 | 19 | 9,092 |
qs5iuh | 1,596 | Took over a year to get my solar panels installed now they don t work and I can t even contact support. * 8 18 20 - Put down deposit * 9 02 20 - Design approved first time * 9 03 20 - Tesla cancels plan because they are worried my building has an HOA (it doesn t) * 9 07 20 - Tesla does inspection on the property decides its fine to move ahead (took three scheduled dates to get them to inspect property) * 9 24 20 - Design approved second time by tesla * 9 24 20 - Loan approval from mosaic * 09 28 20 - Mosaic sends me a letter saying they declined my loan will not tell me why (over 800 credit score) * 10 01 20 - I attempt to get approval through sunlight financial (tesla backup lender) * 10 20 20 - Design modified by tesla * 10 20 20 - Tesla tries to fund loan sends me a success message * 10 26 20 - Sunlight financial sends denial letter * 10 27 20 - I attempt to get outside financing. Several of the lenders I reach out to tell me they can t fund Tesla loans because tesla doesn t allow them to send a check directly to them. This sounds dumb to me but I reach out directly to Tesla and they confirm that I can t have the money sent directly to them. * 10 29 20 - I call sunlight financial and ask why they denied me. They say there is no reason I should have been denied. They update my file to say I am approved. I reach out to tesla agent and confirm I am approved and they tell me it went though. * 11 5 20 - Tesla tells me waiting for permits * 11 11 20 - Tesla sends permits * 11 17 20 - TEP accepts permits * 11 30 20 - Tesla tells me they can t move forward with the installation because my roof isn t in good enough condition. They did the inspection where they discovered this nearly 3 months prior and waited till now to inform me about it. I specifically mentioned at the start that I had just had new elastomeric coating added to the flat roof at the start of the process. They tell me that if I get the roof installed that they will refund me 4% of the cost for the rebate because it s clear at this point I won t be getting the full rebate in 2020 and that it s Teslas fault. I never got this rebate. * 12 15 21 - After me sending 10 emails and 5 calls to the roof coordinator he finally gets back to me and tells me that my emails were filtered out . He just tells me roofing contractors will get back to me and then goes radio silence again. * 01 19 21 - Tesla informs me that the loan I was approved for back in October didn t actually go through. This is exactly what happened to me previously with Mosaic in September. Terrible communication between lenders and tesla. * 02 15 21 - A month straight of a million calls trying to figure out whats going on with lending during this process I find out that the loan was actually denied back in November but that no one every informed me of this and tesla didn t realize till Jan. * 03 22 21 - It s clear funding via tesla isn t going to work. I decide to move forward with cash and just refinance the property later to cover the difference because I can t handle all the rejections with no reasons. I let tesla know I am proceeding with cash. * 04 and 05 - Tesla attempts to find roofing contractor * 05 31 21 - I sign agreement with roofers * 06 14 21 - **Roof is installed in one day** (It took tesla 3 months to let me know a roof was needed and 6 to find the company to do it) * 07 06 21 - Permit is reapproved for solar (old one expired because it took so long) * 07 12 21 - Installation appointment confirmed. **Installation is completed in ~2 days. Hurray!** * 07 21 21 - I try to figure out why an inspection hasn t been done. Tesla says permits haven t been approved. * 07 27 21 - I schedule the inspection on my own because tesla drags their feet on everything. I get it scheduled for the next day. * 07 28 21 - I notify tesla about some issues with the installation they left some debris on the roof they accidentally swapped up some wires in the box and poked a hole through the ceiling in one location. I have reached out to them 4 or 5 times since then about these issues but they were never handled. I ended up paying someone else to fix them. * 07 29 21 - Tesla resubmits permits to the city * 9 18 21 - Two straight months of me calling and contacting the city and tesla to figure out why in the world the panels are still not on. * 9 20 21 - The city has requested the plans are changed from a 20kw system to a 19kw system. The actual system is 24kw so I have no clue what s going on here. I fear if I attempt to correct it will take even longer so I just let them sort it out. * 9 30 21 - Approval finally happens * 10 14 21 - I ask why system still isn t working 3 months after installation. * 10 20 21 - **I turn on the solar panels!!!!!!!**. It s been well over a year at this point and the panels have been sitting on the roof for 3 months doing absolutely nothing. I am so relived to finally be done with all this madness. * 10 21 21 - I ask Tesla why I can t see the panels in my app. I call tesla and they let me know it s because I am not connected to wifi. This is the first time I am informed about this. * 10 22 21 - They tell me they can connect to the inverter via cell connection to add them to the app and that I should see the panels in my app shortly. * 10 24 21 - Took several days but panels are now showing up in app. They are only producing a small amount of power they should be and it is saying none is going back to grid. I report the issue back to tesla but get no response. * 11 05 21 - Keep reporting same issue to tesla still no response. Decide to just wait for electric bill to come in because I assume there is just an issue with reporting and panels are working fine. * 11 10 21 - I get a $650 electric bill. Bill should be near $0. Bill last year at this month was also ~$650. This makes me think that both the panels are not correctly sending energy back to the property AND to the power company. I attempt to reach out to tesla support. No answer. * 11 11 21 - I try to contact a new support person since my old one is no longer responding. The website tells me to push a request service button at the bottom of the phone app. There is no request service at the bottom of the phone app. All buttons on the phone app link directly to the website. All links on the website link directly to the phone app. Updates: * 11 12 21 - Called the schedule service line and explained my issues. Was nice to speak to a human. They say they will escalate the case and that I should hear back by next Friday. * 11 14 21 - Noticed I am experiencing an issue many others see where inverters will randomly shut off daily for about 10 minutes. * 11 16 21 - They told me I had an appointment scheduled on the 17th and that they would call before arriving. * 11 17 21 - They didn t call or show up for the appointment. I was unable to get ahold of anyone that knew what was going on. * 12 01 21 - Tesla sent me a text message which I can t respond to saying I have a new appointment scheduled for 12 08. Fingers crossed they show up for that one. * 12 08 21 - Technicians called me and said that they could tell that the panels were producing power but that there may be issues with the inverters and reporting. They shut the panels off for four hours. They said they would fix it and I should be able to see it working properly in my app the next day. * 12 12 21 - The app still doesn t work right. It s still showing energy is not being sent to the grid and not showing the correct values for the panels. I am going to wait for my next electric bill and then send them back if it still isn t working. * 3 21 21 - I thought everything was working correctly because my Jan bill showed a ~50% ($500) reduction. However my February bill matched my amount from last year so I called back in. I have a 26.52 kW system. My peak output is 7.7 kW. My average month right now is 1 000 kwh of production 12 000 kwh per year but is supposed to be 47 000 kwh per year. I think the most likely cause is the inverters are not hooked up properly but it could just be a reporting issue. I was told they would look into the refund I was supposed to get. The lady from tesla support is arguing that the 47k is an estimated number so my 12 000 should be fine and after over two hours on a call with a support line they refused to send out a technician. I am now attempting to submit an independent arbitration agreement. * 4 19 22 - I called back to follow up on the status of the inverters still not working my refund not being processed and my independent arbitration agreement. For all 3 issues support said they would get back to me . At least this time the support didn t try to gaslight me and argue that I didn t actually have an issue and at least acted like they would eventually send a technician out. * 4 27 22 - Tech was supposed to show today didn t. When I reached out to tesla they told me that he did show up but can t tell me what he did there. Attempting to reschedule. Still haven t got ahold of arbitration. I just want to be done with this hell. If anyone has a support phone number for tesla I would appreciate it. TL:DR: Tesla solar support is terrible. Their prices might be great but I honestly don t think it s worth the hassle if something goes wrong. | This is quite worrying. I have an install scheduled for December 13th but have had no inspection or anything else. They said permits are approved and everything is good to go. Now I feel like I m waiting for the first thing to go wrong and then snowball from there. | If help is needed use our stickied support thread or [Tesla Support](https: www.tesla.com support) + [Autopilot](https: www.tesla.com support autopilot) for understanding. Everyone please read our [Rules](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki rules) and a [note](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki rules#wiki_special_note_from_the_moderators) from the Mods. Be respectful please remember to Report (it helps Mods immensely) and comment with a focus on moving discussion forward. *I am a bot and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit]( message compose ?to= r teslamotors) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 391 | 2 | 9,093 |
qs5iuh | 1,596 | Took over a year to get my solar panels installed now they don t work and I can t even contact support. * 8 18 20 - Put down deposit * 9 02 20 - Design approved first time * 9 03 20 - Tesla cancels plan because they are worried my building has an HOA (it doesn t) * 9 07 20 - Tesla does inspection on the property decides its fine to move ahead (took three scheduled dates to get them to inspect property) * 9 24 20 - Design approved second time by tesla * 9 24 20 - Loan approval from mosaic * 09 28 20 - Mosaic sends me a letter saying they declined my loan will not tell me why (over 800 credit score) * 10 01 20 - I attempt to get approval through sunlight financial (tesla backup lender) * 10 20 20 - Design modified by tesla * 10 20 20 - Tesla tries to fund loan sends me a success message * 10 26 20 - Sunlight financial sends denial letter * 10 27 20 - I attempt to get outside financing. Several of the lenders I reach out to tell me they can t fund Tesla loans because tesla doesn t allow them to send a check directly to them. This sounds dumb to me but I reach out directly to Tesla and they confirm that I can t have the money sent directly to them. * 10 29 20 - I call sunlight financial and ask why they denied me. They say there is no reason I should have been denied. They update my file to say I am approved. I reach out to tesla agent and confirm I am approved and they tell me it went though. * 11 5 20 - Tesla tells me waiting for permits * 11 11 20 - Tesla sends permits * 11 17 20 - TEP accepts permits * 11 30 20 - Tesla tells me they can t move forward with the installation because my roof isn t in good enough condition. They did the inspection where they discovered this nearly 3 months prior and waited till now to inform me about it. I specifically mentioned at the start that I had just had new elastomeric coating added to the flat roof at the start of the process. They tell me that if I get the roof installed that they will refund me 4% of the cost for the rebate because it s clear at this point I won t be getting the full rebate in 2020 and that it s Teslas fault. I never got this rebate. * 12 15 21 - After me sending 10 emails and 5 calls to the roof coordinator he finally gets back to me and tells me that my emails were filtered out . He just tells me roofing contractors will get back to me and then goes radio silence again. * 01 19 21 - Tesla informs me that the loan I was approved for back in October didn t actually go through. This is exactly what happened to me previously with Mosaic in September. Terrible communication between lenders and tesla. * 02 15 21 - A month straight of a million calls trying to figure out whats going on with lending during this process I find out that the loan was actually denied back in November but that no one every informed me of this and tesla didn t realize till Jan. * 03 22 21 - It s clear funding via tesla isn t going to work. I decide to move forward with cash and just refinance the property later to cover the difference because I can t handle all the rejections with no reasons. I let tesla know I am proceeding with cash. * 04 and 05 - Tesla attempts to find roofing contractor * 05 31 21 - I sign agreement with roofers * 06 14 21 - **Roof is installed in one day** (It took tesla 3 months to let me know a roof was needed and 6 to find the company to do it) * 07 06 21 - Permit is reapproved for solar (old one expired because it took so long) * 07 12 21 - Installation appointment confirmed. **Installation is completed in ~2 days. Hurray!** * 07 21 21 - I try to figure out why an inspection hasn t been done. Tesla says permits haven t been approved. * 07 27 21 - I schedule the inspection on my own because tesla drags their feet on everything. I get it scheduled for the next day. * 07 28 21 - I notify tesla about some issues with the installation they left some debris on the roof they accidentally swapped up some wires in the box and poked a hole through the ceiling in one location. I have reached out to them 4 or 5 times since then about these issues but they were never handled. I ended up paying someone else to fix them. * 07 29 21 - Tesla resubmits permits to the city * 9 18 21 - Two straight months of me calling and contacting the city and tesla to figure out why in the world the panels are still not on. * 9 20 21 - The city has requested the plans are changed from a 20kw system to a 19kw system. The actual system is 24kw so I have no clue what s going on here. I fear if I attempt to correct it will take even longer so I just let them sort it out. * 9 30 21 - Approval finally happens * 10 14 21 - I ask why system still isn t working 3 months after installation. * 10 20 21 - **I turn on the solar panels!!!!!!!**. It s been well over a year at this point and the panels have been sitting on the roof for 3 months doing absolutely nothing. I am so relived to finally be done with all this madness. * 10 21 21 - I ask Tesla why I can t see the panels in my app. I call tesla and they let me know it s because I am not connected to wifi. This is the first time I am informed about this. * 10 22 21 - They tell me they can connect to the inverter via cell connection to add them to the app and that I should see the panels in my app shortly. * 10 24 21 - Took several days but panels are now showing up in app. They are only producing a small amount of power they should be and it is saying none is going back to grid. I report the issue back to tesla but get no response. * 11 05 21 - Keep reporting same issue to tesla still no response. Decide to just wait for electric bill to come in because I assume there is just an issue with reporting and panels are working fine. * 11 10 21 - I get a $650 electric bill. Bill should be near $0. Bill last year at this month was also ~$650. This makes me think that both the panels are not correctly sending energy back to the property AND to the power company. I attempt to reach out to tesla support. No answer. * 11 11 21 - I try to contact a new support person since my old one is no longer responding. The website tells me to push a request service button at the bottom of the phone app. There is no request service at the bottom of the phone app. All buttons on the phone app link directly to the website. All links on the website link directly to the phone app. Updates: * 11 12 21 - Called the schedule service line and explained my issues. Was nice to speak to a human. They say they will escalate the case and that I should hear back by next Friday. * 11 14 21 - Noticed I am experiencing an issue many others see where inverters will randomly shut off daily for about 10 minutes. * 11 16 21 - They told me I had an appointment scheduled on the 17th and that they would call before arriving. * 11 17 21 - They didn t call or show up for the appointment. I was unable to get ahold of anyone that knew what was going on. * 12 01 21 - Tesla sent me a text message which I can t respond to saying I have a new appointment scheduled for 12 08. Fingers crossed they show up for that one. * 12 08 21 - Technicians called me and said that they could tell that the panels were producing power but that there may be issues with the inverters and reporting. They shut the panels off for four hours. They said they would fix it and I should be able to see it working properly in my app the next day. * 12 12 21 - The app still doesn t work right. It s still showing energy is not being sent to the grid and not showing the correct values for the panels. I am going to wait for my next electric bill and then send them back if it still isn t working. * 3 21 21 - I thought everything was working correctly because my Jan bill showed a ~50% ($500) reduction. However my February bill matched my amount from last year so I called back in. I have a 26.52 kW system. My peak output is 7.7 kW. My average month right now is 1 000 kwh of production 12 000 kwh per year but is supposed to be 47 000 kwh per year. I think the most likely cause is the inverters are not hooked up properly but it could just be a reporting issue. I was told they would look into the refund I was supposed to get. The lady from tesla support is arguing that the 47k is an estimated number so my 12 000 should be fine and after over two hours on a call with a support line they refused to send out a technician. I am now attempting to submit an independent arbitration agreement. * 4 19 22 - I called back to follow up on the status of the inverters still not working my refund not being processed and my independent arbitration agreement. For all 3 issues support said they would get back to me . At least this time the support didn t try to gaslight me and argue that I didn t actually have an issue and at least acted like they would eventually send a technician out. * 4 27 22 - Tech was supposed to show today didn t. When I reached out to tesla they told me that he did show up but can t tell me what he did there. Attempting to reschedule. Still haven t got ahold of arbitration. I just want to be done with this hell. If anyone has a support phone number for tesla I would appreciate it. TL:DR: Tesla solar support is terrible. Their prices might be great but I honestly don t think it s worth the hassle if something goes wrong. | This is quite worrying. I have an install scheduled for December 13th but have had no inspection or anything else. They said permits are approved and everything is good to go. Now I feel like I m waiting for the first thing to go wrong and then snowball from there. | Wow! The blame is on you. Imagine a company trying everything to not sell you a product. In fact they are harassing you making your life miserable and you still working hard to get the product. Since they know that they don t care. Imagine how mismanaged this company is internally. | 391 | 15 | 9,094 |
qs5iuh | 1,596 | Took over a year to get my solar panels installed now they don t work and I can t even contact support. * 8 18 20 - Put down deposit * 9 02 20 - Design approved first time * 9 03 20 - Tesla cancels plan because they are worried my building has an HOA (it doesn t) * 9 07 20 - Tesla does inspection on the property decides its fine to move ahead (took three scheduled dates to get them to inspect property) * 9 24 20 - Design approved second time by tesla * 9 24 20 - Loan approval from mosaic * 09 28 20 - Mosaic sends me a letter saying they declined my loan will not tell me why (over 800 credit score) * 10 01 20 - I attempt to get approval through sunlight financial (tesla backup lender) * 10 20 20 - Design modified by tesla * 10 20 20 - Tesla tries to fund loan sends me a success message * 10 26 20 - Sunlight financial sends denial letter * 10 27 20 - I attempt to get outside financing. Several of the lenders I reach out to tell me they can t fund Tesla loans because tesla doesn t allow them to send a check directly to them. This sounds dumb to me but I reach out directly to Tesla and they confirm that I can t have the money sent directly to them. * 10 29 20 - I call sunlight financial and ask why they denied me. They say there is no reason I should have been denied. They update my file to say I am approved. I reach out to tesla agent and confirm I am approved and they tell me it went though. * 11 5 20 - Tesla tells me waiting for permits * 11 11 20 - Tesla sends permits * 11 17 20 - TEP accepts permits * 11 30 20 - Tesla tells me they can t move forward with the installation because my roof isn t in good enough condition. They did the inspection where they discovered this nearly 3 months prior and waited till now to inform me about it. I specifically mentioned at the start that I had just had new elastomeric coating added to the flat roof at the start of the process. They tell me that if I get the roof installed that they will refund me 4% of the cost for the rebate because it s clear at this point I won t be getting the full rebate in 2020 and that it s Teslas fault. I never got this rebate. * 12 15 21 - After me sending 10 emails and 5 calls to the roof coordinator he finally gets back to me and tells me that my emails were filtered out . He just tells me roofing contractors will get back to me and then goes radio silence again. * 01 19 21 - Tesla informs me that the loan I was approved for back in October didn t actually go through. This is exactly what happened to me previously with Mosaic in September. Terrible communication between lenders and tesla. * 02 15 21 - A month straight of a million calls trying to figure out whats going on with lending during this process I find out that the loan was actually denied back in November but that no one every informed me of this and tesla didn t realize till Jan. * 03 22 21 - It s clear funding via tesla isn t going to work. I decide to move forward with cash and just refinance the property later to cover the difference because I can t handle all the rejections with no reasons. I let tesla know I am proceeding with cash. * 04 and 05 - Tesla attempts to find roofing contractor * 05 31 21 - I sign agreement with roofers * 06 14 21 - **Roof is installed in one day** (It took tesla 3 months to let me know a roof was needed and 6 to find the company to do it) * 07 06 21 - Permit is reapproved for solar (old one expired because it took so long) * 07 12 21 - Installation appointment confirmed. **Installation is completed in ~2 days. Hurray!** * 07 21 21 - I try to figure out why an inspection hasn t been done. Tesla says permits haven t been approved. * 07 27 21 - I schedule the inspection on my own because tesla drags their feet on everything. I get it scheduled for the next day. * 07 28 21 - I notify tesla about some issues with the installation they left some debris on the roof they accidentally swapped up some wires in the box and poked a hole through the ceiling in one location. I have reached out to them 4 or 5 times since then about these issues but they were never handled. I ended up paying someone else to fix them. * 07 29 21 - Tesla resubmits permits to the city * 9 18 21 - Two straight months of me calling and contacting the city and tesla to figure out why in the world the panels are still not on. * 9 20 21 - The city has requested the plans are changed from a 20kw system to a 19kw system. The actual system is 24kw so I have no clue what s going on here. I fear if I attempt to correct it will take even longer so I just let them sort it out. * 9 30 21 - Approval finally happens * 10 14 21 - I ask why system still isn t working 3 months after installation. * 10 20 21 - **I turn on the solar panels!!!!!!!**. It s been well over a year at this point and the panels have been sitting on the roof for 3 months doing absolutely nothing. I am so relived to finally be done with all this madness. * 10 21 21 - I ask Tesla why I can t see the panels in my app. I call tesla and they let me know it s because I am not connected to wifi. This is the first time I am informed about this. * 10 22 21 - They tell me they can connect to the inverter via cell connection to add them to the app and that I should see the panels in my app shortly. * 10 24 21 - Took several days but panels are now showing up in app. They are only producing a small amount of power they should be and it is saying none is going back to grid. I report the issue back to tesla but get no response. * 11 05 21 - Keep reporting same issue to tesla still no response. Decide to just wait for electric bill to come in because I assume there is just an issue with reporting and panels are working fine. * 11 10 21 - I get a $650 electric bill. Bill should be near $0. Bill last year at this month was also ~$650. This makes me think that both the panels are not correctly sending energy back to the property AND to the power company. I attempt to reach out to tesla support. No answer. * 11 11 21 - I try to contact a new support person since my old one is no longer responding. The website tells me to push a request service button at the bottom of the phone app. There is no request service at the bottom of the phone app. All buttons on the phone app link directly to the website. All links on the website link directly to the phone app. Updates: * 11 12 21 - Called the schedule service line and explained my issues. Was nice to speak to a human. They say they will escalate the case and that I should hear back by next Friday. * 11 14 21 - Noticed I am experiencing an issue many others see where inverters will randomly shut off daily for about 10 minutes. * 11 16 21 - They told me I had an appointment scheduled on the 17th and that they would call before arriving. * 11 17 21 - They didn t call or show up for the appointment. I was unable to get ahold of anyone that knew what was going on. * 12 01 21 - Tesla sent me a text message which I can t respond to saying I have a new appointment scheduled for 12 08. Fingers crossed they show up for that one. * 12 08 21 - Technicians called me and said that they could tell that the panels were producing power but that there may be issues with the inverters and reporting. They shut the panels off for four hours. They said they would fix it and I should be able to see it working properly in my app the next day. * 12 12 21 - The app still doesn t work right. It s still showing energy is not being sent to the grid and not showing the correct values for the panels. I am going to wait for my next electric bill and then send them back if it still isn t working. * 3 21 21 - I thought everything was working correctly because my Jan bill showed a ~50% ($500) reduction. However my February bill matched my amount from last year so I called back in. I have a 26.52 kW system. My peak output is 7.7 kW. My average month right now is 1 000 kwh of production 12 000 kwh per year but is supposed to be 47 000 kwh per year. I think the most likely cause is the inverters are not hooked up properly but it could just be a reporting issue. I was told they would look into the refund I was supposed to get. The lady from tesla support is arguing that the 47k is an estimated number so my 12 000 should be fine and after over two hours on a call with a support line they refused to send out a technician. I am now attempting to submit an independent arbitration agreement. * 4 19 22 - I called back to follow up on the status of the inverters still not working my refund not being processed and my independent arbitration agreement. For all 3 issues support said they would get back to me . At least this time the support didn t try to gaslight me and argue that I didn t actually have an issue and at least acted like they would eventually send a technician out. * 4 27 22 - Tech was supposed to show today didn t. When I reached out to tesla they told me that he did show up but can t tell me what he did there. Attempting to reschedule. Still haven t got ahold of arbitration. I just want to be done with this hell. If anyone has a support phone number for tesla I would appreciate it. TL:DR: Tesla solar support is terrible. Their prices might be great but I honestly don t think it s worth the hassle if something goes wrong. | This is quite worrying. I have an install scheduled for December 13th but have had no inspection or anything else. They said permits are approved and everything is good to go. Now I feel like I m waiting for the first thing to go wrong and then snowball from there. | Anyone buying Tesla solar at this point is just a masochist. | 391 | 31 | 9,095 |
qsnp5p | 1,709 | New M3s(probably other models as well) are coming without center console usb-c and wireless charging due to shortage of chips Got my 2022 Model3 yesterday. Noticed wireless charging is not working then found out the usb-c ports are also missing in front center console (rear usb-c is still there and working). Called support today and they informed they are aware of this issue. Due to a shortage of usb chips new cars are coming out without center console usb-c that s why wireless charging is not working as well. The chips supposed to come mid-dec so they will probably start retrofitting after that. The car is awesome no other issues! Edit : pic of missing usb-c port - https: imgur.com a uMVsM00 2nd Edit : I can still use usb-c cable using the rear center console usb-c ports. 3rd Edit : Saw some comments about the year and trim of the model. Mine is RWD (previously known as SR+). And here is the screenshot from my Tesla account about the year: https: imgur.com a mGum41X . The 10th character in my VIN is N which is for 2022 model. | I guess you take what you can get but I have 2 problems: 1) Tesla apparently didn t even inform you of this prior 2) Is it in writing anywhere that you will get this retrofit eventually (and for free?) More very poor communication from Tesla. I understand that there is a huge supply issue but Tesla is a trillion dollar company and has been very profitable for well over a year when they said customer service would be getting better. If anything it s getting worse. How does something like this not get communicated? | Really? I would want that fixed as soon as possible. Why even ship the car if it s not finished | 914 | 22 | 9,096 |
qsnp5p | 1,709 | New M3s(probably other models as well) are coming without center console usb-c and wireless charging due to shortage of chips Got my 2022 Model3 yesterday. Noticed wireless charging is not working then found out the usb-c ports are also missing in front center console (rear usb-c is still there and working). Called support today and they informed they are aware of this issue. Due to a shortage of usb chips new cars are coming out without center console usb-c that s why wireless charging is not working as well. The chips supposed to come mid-dec so they will probably start retrofitting after that. The car is awesome no other issues! Edit : pic of missing usb-c port - https: imgur.com a uMVsM00 2nd Edit : I can still use usb-c cable using the rear center console usb-c ports. 3rd Edit : Saw some comments about the year and trim of the model. Mine is RWD (previously known as SR+). And here is the screenshot from my Tesla account about the year: https: imgur.com a mGum41X . The 10th character in my VIN is N which is for 2022 model. | I guess you take what you can get but I have 2 problems: 1) Tesla apparently didn t even inform you of this prior 2) Is it in writing anywhere that you will get this retrofit eventually (and for free?) More very poor communication from Tesla. I understand that there is a huge supply issue but Tesla is a trillion dollar company and has been very profitable for well over a year when they said customer service would be getting better. If anything it s getting worse. How does something like this not get communicated? | So are there just empty holes where the 2 USB ports are supposed to be in the center console? | 914 | 25 | 9,097 |
qsnp5p | 1,709 | New M3s(probably other models as well) are coming without center console usb-c and wireless charging due to shortage of chips Got my 2022 Model3 yesterday. Noticed wireless charging is not working then found out the usb-c ports are also missing in front center console (rear usb-c is still there and working). Called support today and they informed they are aware of this issue. Due to a shortage of usb chips new cars are coming out without center console usb-c that s why wireless charging is not working as well. The chips supposed to come mid-dec so they will probably start retrofitting after that. The car is awesome no other issues! Edit : pic of missing usb-c port - https: imgur.com a uMVsM00 2nd Edit : I can still use usb-c cable using the rear center console usb-c ports. 3rd Edit : Saw some comments about the year and trim of the model. Mine is RWD (previously known as SR+). And here is the screenshot from my Tesla account about the year: https: imgur.com a mGum41X . The 10th character in my VIN is N which is for 2022 model. | I guess you take what you can get but I have 2 problems: 1) Tesla apparently didn t even inform you of this prior 2) Is it in writing anywhere that you will get this retrofit eventually (and for free?) More very poor communication from Tesla. I understand that there is a huge supply issue but Tesla is a trillion dollar company and has been very profitable for well over a year when they said customer service would be getting better. If anything it s getting worse. How does something like this not get communicated? | This is actually ridiculous. Especially if you re not told this beforehand. | 914 | 36 | 9,098 |
qt7hnu | 32 | Tesla Battery Size via API? Does anybody know if you can somehow extract a tesla cars battery capacity via an api or a serial numbers? Apparently smartcar has some kind of API that does this tho I still have to try it out. Wonder if they use a static table for each model or are able to programmatically get it somehow. Any ideas? | You can get a lot of interesting data from the [Charge State](https: tesla-api.timdorr.com vehicle state chargestate) endpoint of the API but to get the exact kWh you ll need to read the CAN bus with something like [Scan My Tesla](https: www.scanmytesla.com ) which requires installing a wiring harness to tap into the car s CAN bus and a Bluetooth dongle to transmit it to the app. If you only have API access you can still work out the car s current (nominal remaining) and maximum (nominal full) capacity in kWh to a high degree of accuracy (±0.1 kWh) using clever measurements of the range and state of charge data and averaging several measurements during a charging session. To start with you need to know that Model 3 Y (at least the non-LFP packs) use a resizable bottom buffer value of 4.5% of Nominal Full rounded to 0.1 kWh. Nominal Remaining kWh and State of Charge are linked according to the formula: SOC = (Nominal Remaining - Buffer) (Nominal Full - Buffer) Usable and Usable Remaining kWh are just the Nominal Full and Nominal Remaining values minus the Buffer amount. What actually happens is the BMS first determines a SOC value using the measured pack voltage by plotting it to a known Li-Ion charging curve and then works out the Nominal Remaining using the last accurate estimation of Nominal Full (itself a measurement of Amp-hour change between two different states of charge) but assuming that estimate hasn t changed the math for SOC can be used both ways for our purposes. The car rounds this SOC to whole numbers (integers) in the *battery_level* value in the API and in the car s GUI while reading the CAN bus value will give you a more accurate result based on the above formula. If you poll the *battery_range* API endpoint you ll get your rated range value in miles and rounded to two decimal places. If you then watch the value during an AC charging session you ll see that it always increments by fixed amounts in the case of my car it changes by ~0.42-0.43 miles per increment. The significance of this amount is that it s the equivalent of 0.1 kWh worth of range at whatever the car s hard-coded rated efficiency number is. If you watch this value over a long enough charging session you can make a strikingly accurate guess at your car s rated efficiency - in the case of my 310 mile rated range 2018 Model 3 AWD it works out to 234 Wh mi (±0.1). Knowing this you can then guess at the undegraded usable capacity of your car through multiplying the original rated range by efficiency: 310 miles * 234 Wh mi = 72.54 kWh Add back in the 4.5% bottom buffer and you get Nominal Full kWh without degradation 72.54 kWh 0.955 = 75.96 kWh This was in fact the value as reported in my car s CAN bus when I started to notice battery degradation. As I commented [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qt7hnu tesla_battery_size_via_api hkhvena ) my car reports a Full Pack When New of 77.8 kWh and for almost a full year of ownership I saw no degradation so it likely came from the factory closer to 77.8 kWh and was slightly overprovisioned as measured by the rated range and efficiency mark and then clamped to 100% until it dropped below 75.9 kWh and started showing degradation. So now that you have an equivalent measurement for Usable Remaining kWh in the form of the current range and known efficiency you can work out the car s current maximum (100% charged) range (and from that the full Usable kWh) by taking any current range measurement and dividing by the current SOC. This is how the Tesla app TeslaFi and other third party utilities track max range and degradation using just the API data but a single measurement is error prone due to rounding errors and especially the magnification of those errors at low SOCs. To get around this you can periodically sample hundreds or thousands of measurements during a charging session where both the range and SOC are increasing at roughly constant rate and average the result to get a very accurate estimate of your car s current maximum range to within about 0.5 miles (the minimum change value of 0.1 kWh at your car s rated efficiency). Knowing your car s present maximum range now divide by your original rated range (e.g. 310 miles in the case of my car) to work out a battery health figure as a percent. 100% minus the health gets your current amount of degradation. Then take either the undegraded usable or nominal full capacities we figured out earlier multiplied by current health to work out your current Usable or Nominal Full kWh. I ve been using this method for the better part of two years and it s always been extremely close to the data I can pull from the CAN bus but don t just take my word for it let me show my work: Here s my car s last API reading from [Charge State](https: tesla-api.timdorr.com vehicle state chargestate): battery_level : 90 battery_range : 260.73 Using the single data point 100% range = 260.73 0.90 = 289.7 miles. 289.7 310 gives a battery health figure of 93.45%. Using the more accurate health figure I generated from my last charging session which lasted 2h5m and generated 1500 samples my battery health is 93.48% and my maximum range is 289.8 miles. Using my car s predetermined hard-coded efficiency value of 234 Wh mi 289.8 miles works out to 67.8 kWh Usable. Adding the 4.5% bottom buffer back in 67.8 0.955 = 71.0 kWh. Looking at my car s CAN data this is exactly the amount of Nominal Full kWh right now (rounded to 0.1). One other thing worth noting: the API and GUI value for charge_energy_added is inaccurate for Model 3 (and I assume Y) and has been for years. Compared to the CAN data the value it gives has been inflated by 4.5% not coincidentally the same amount as the bottom buffer. I believe some Tesla engineer miscoded the formula a while back and the bug was never caught an easy oversight if they calculated it using SOC change multiplied by Nominal Full kWh instead of using the proper Usable kWh. | [Tessie](https: iili.io 5himjn.png) gives me this if it helps? | 56 | 2 | 9,099 |
qt7hnu | 32 | Tesla Battery Size via API? Does anybody know if you can somehow extract a tesla cars battery capacity via an api or a serial numbers? Apparently smartcar has some kind of API that does this tho I still have to try it out. Wonder if they use a static table for each model or are able to programmatically get it somehow. Any ideas? | You can get a lot of interesting data from the [Charge State](https: tesla-api.timdorr.com vehicle state chargestate) endpoint of the API but to get the exact kWh you ll need to read the CAN bus with something like [Scan My Tesla](https: www.scanmytesla.com ) which requires installing a wiring harness to tap into the car s CAN bus and a Bluetooth dongle to transmit it to the app. If you only have API access you can still work out the car s current (nominal remaining) and maximum (nominal full) capacity in kWh to a high degree of accuracy (±0.1 kWh) using clever measurements of the range and state of charge data and averaging several measurements during a charging session. To start with you need to know that Model 3 Y (at least the non-LFP packs) use a resizable bottom buffer value of 4.5% of Nominal Full rounded to 0.1 kWh. Nominal Remaining kWh and State of Charge are linked according to the formula: SOC = (Nominal Remaining - Buffer) (Nominal Full - Buffer) Usable and Usable Remaining kWh are just the Nominal Full and Nominal Remaining values minus the Buffer amount. What actually happens is the BMS first determines a SOC value using the measured pack voltage by plotting it to a known Li-Ion charging curve and then works out the Nominal Remaining using the last accurate estimation of Nominal Full (itself a measurement of Amp-hour change between two different states of charge) but assuming that estimate hasn t changed the math for SOC can be used both ways for our purposes. The car rounds this SOC to whole numbers (integers) in the *battery_level* value in the API and in the car s GUI while reading the CAN bus value will give you a more accurate result based on the above formula. If you poll the *battery_range* API endpoint you ll get your rated range value in miles and rounded to two decimal places. If you then watch the value during an AC charging session you ll see that it always increments by fixed amounts in the case of my car it changes by ~0.42-0.43 miles per increment. The significance of this amount is that it s the equivalent of 0.1 kWh worth of range at whatever the car s hard-coded rated efficiency number is. If you watch this value over a long enough charging session you can make a strikingly accurate guess at your car s rated efficiency - in the case of my 310 mile rated range 2018 Model 3 AWD it works out to 234 Wh mi (±0.1). Knowing this you can then guess at the undegraded usable capacity of your car through multiplying the original rated range by efficiency: 310 miles * 234 Wh mi = 72.54 kWh Add back in the 4.5% bottom buffer and you get Nominal Full kWh without degradation 72.54 kWh 0.955 = 75.96 kWh This was in fact the value as reported in my car s CAN bus when I started to notice battery degradation. As I commented [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments qt7hnu tesla_battery_size_via_api hkhvena ) my car reports a Full Pack When New of 77.8 kWh and for almost a full year of ownership I saw no degradation so it likely came from the factory closer to 77.8 kWh and was slightly overprovisioned as measured by the rated range and efficiency mark and then clamped to 100% until it dropped below 75.9 kWh and started showing degradation. So now that you have an equivalent measurement for Usable Remaining kWh in the form of the current range and known efficiency you can work out the car s current maximum (100% charged) range (and from that the full Usable kWh) by taking any current range measurement and dividing by the current SOC. This is how the Tesla app TeslaFi and other third party utilities track max range and degradation using just the API data but a single measurement is error prone due to rounding errors and especially the magnification of those errors at low SOCs. To get around this you can periodically sample hundreds or thousands of measurements during a charging session where both the range and SOC are increasing at roughly constant rate and average the result to get a very accurate estimate of your car s current maximum range to within about 0.5 miles (the minimum change value of 0.1 kWh at your car s rated efficiency). Knowing your car s present maximum range now divide by your original rated range (e.g. 310 miles in the case of my car) to work out a battery health figure as a percent. 100% minus the health gets your current amount of degradation. Then take either the undegraded usable or nominal full capacities we figured out earlier multiplied by current health to work out your current Usable or Nominal Full kWh. I ve been using this method for the better part of two years and it s always been extremely close to the data I can pull from the CAN bus but don t just take my word for it let me show my work: Here s my car s last API reading from [Charge State](https: tesla-api.timdorr.com vehicle state chargestate): battery_level : 90 battery_range : 260.73 Using the single data point 100% range = 260.73 0.90 = 289.7 miles. 289.7 310 gives a battery health figure of 93.45%. Using the more accurate health figure I generated from my last charging session which lasted 2h5m and generated 1500 samples my battery health is 93.48% and my maximum range is 289.8 miles. Using my car s predetermined hard-coded efficiency value of 234 Wh mi 289.8 miles works out to 67.8 kWh Usable. Adding the 4.5% bottom buffer back in 67.8 0.955 = 71.0 kWh. Looking at my car s CAN data this is exactly the amount of Nominal Full kWh right now (rounded to 0.1). One other thing worth noting: the API and GUI value for charge_energy_added is inaccurate for Model 3 (and I assume Y) and has been for years. Compared to the CAN data the value it gives has been inflated by 4.5% not coincidentally the same amount as the bottom buffer. I believe some Tesla engineer miscoded the formula a while back and the bug was never caught an easy oversight if they calculated it using SOC change multiplied by Nominal Full kWh instead of using the proper Usable kWh. | I just know the Nominal Full Pack value in kWh is reported on the CAN bus. This value varies a bit due to certain short term fluctuations (mostly related to temperature) and in any event tends to trend downward over the years. Newer cars may also report a value on the CAN bus called Full Pack When New . I don t have a model 3 couldn t tell you about this from personal experience. Not sure if it reflects an accurate measurement of any initial state or is just an arbitrarily chosen fixed value for use in other calculations. | 56 | 22 | 9,100 |
qtac3l | 52 | Model y for three kids?? Anybody love their model y with 3 kids? We have two toddlers and a newborn coming. I really wanted the minivan but husband talked me into the model y. My primary reason for green lighting this purchase is because of the safety features. Plan is for the newborn and myself to sit in the middle row and for the two toddlers to sit in the back row. I spoke to a rep and they said that all the seats are car seat adaptable but honestly he kind of sounded unsure about it too…. O.o Any advice? Looking to confirm I m making the right choice. | Look up the bearded Tesla guy on YouTube. He shows putting car seats in the third row | 3 kids is not ideal for model Y. This seems like him wanting a new toy. A minivan or large SUV is the choice here. 3 car seats and luggage for trips ain t great. Unless you have a roof rack. This is the reason I kept my x5 and not trade it for a model X or Y | 59 | 11 | 9,101 |
qtghdi | 71 | Autopilot - too close to passing cars Anyone have issues with the autopilot hugging too tight to other passing cars? If I m in the right lane and someone is passing on the left my car (Model 3 LR) seems to want to hug the passing lane line more than the solid lane line. It s a bit nerve wracking at times. | Usually the car is not hugging one side and is actually centered. Easiest way to tell is to tilt both side mirrors down and then look for the lines. You should see equidistant spacing between two lines. I suspect you re used to driving the car off-center and now it feels weird when the car is actually centered. Give it a go with the mirrors and you ll see. Either way let the car do its thing — I ve been using AP since it came out in 2015 (in multiple teslas) and I ve been fine. | Try recalibrating your cameras mine was similar and every update I always do that also I find it helps with Phantom braking | 53 | 2 | 9,102 |
qtghdi | 71 | Autopilot - too close to passing cars Anyone have issues with the autopilot hugging too tight to other passing cars? If I m in the right lane and someone is passing on the left my car (Model 3 LR) seems to want to hug the passing lane line more than the solid lane line. It s a bit nerve wracking at times. | Usually the car is not hugging one side and is actually centered. Easiest way to tell is to tilt both side mirrors down and then look for the lines. You should see equidistant spacing between two lines. I suspect you re used to driving the car off-center and now it feels weird when the car is actually centered. Give it a go with the mirrors and you ll see. Either way let the car do its thing — I ve been using AP since it came out in 2015 (in multiple teslas) and I ve been fine. | I ve put it down to my car being a bully towards other cars. It feels it purposely does it just as your passing the traffic | 53 | 2 | 9,103 |
qtghdi | 71 | Autopilot - too close to passing cars Anyone have issues with the autopilot hugging too tight to other passing cars? If I m in the right lane and someone is passing on the left my car (Model 3 LR) seems to want to hug the passing lane line more than the solid lane line. It s a bit nerve wracking at times. | Usually the car is not hugging one side and is actually centered. Easiest way to tell is to tilt both side mirrors down and then look for the lines. You should see equidistant spacing between two lines. I suspect you re used to driving the car off-center and now it feels weird when the car is actually centered. Give it a go with the mirrors and you ll see. Either way let the car do its thing — I ve been using AP since it came out in 2015 (in multiple teslas) and I ve been fine. | It gets better with FSD Beta. I don t think AP is at it s best in city streets. | 53 | 2 | 9,104 |
qtrhz0 | 70 | Car wash mode question Has anyone used car wash mode to go through a commercial car wash? I want to try it since it s almost winter and I won t be able to hand wash anymore. What is your experience? | It took some trial and error but I prefer car wash mode over just putting it in N. I go through an automatic car wash often with the little track that you drive one wheel on to be pulled through. What I ve learned: Pull up to the carwash hit the free vacuums. Before pulling away from the vacuums go to the Service menu and tap Car Wash Mode. (Or if I m skipping vacuums find somewhere while in line to enter Car Wash Mode) > > --You can only enter Car Wash Mode with the brake applied. You can be in D just gotta have the brake down. --< < Enter Car Wash Mode Then I drive up to the roller to get in position while the roller thing is approaching my tires. At this point instead of praying to the Neutral Gods that I have held the stalk long enough least I get embarrassed by the attendant all you have to to is tap Enable Free Roll . Boom you re in N. Sit back and watch the show. When done just drop it into D and drive away. Tap to exit Car Wash Mode whenever you want as you pull away. Happy washing! | I tried. Note that it only prevents the car from automatically going from N to P. It does not automatically switch from D to N when you enable it...embarassing. | 76 | 2 | 9,105 |
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