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m6yk16 | 216 | Has anyone successfully Convinced their property manager to install charge points at their apartment building? I m thinking about buying a model 3 but my apartment building does not have any charging stations. My apartment complex has outdoor shared parking with plenty of empty spaces and hundreds of units so I would imagine I wouldn t be the only one interesting in a charging station. Has anyone tried been able to work with their property managers to get a charging station installed? If so what was the process for your situation like? | I got lucky with my most recent apartment. The landlord is an electrician and before I even mentioned that I had a Tesla they offered to install a charging station at my assigned parking stall. All I had to do was buy the Tesla Wall Charger and they handled all the wiring. When I leave I can have my wall charger back and they will have the infrastructure in place for the next EV owned. There was one other tenant in the building with a Tesla and an installed charger when I arrived which made it even easier for me. Hopefully this will be the default moving forward. | I did but they wanted me to pay for part of it... retrofitting is tough for most existing buildings since they generally don t have capital set aside for this. | 78 | 13 | 8,206 |
m730vy | 710 | Enhanced Autopilot showed up as demo subscription in Germany! Was driving on the Autobahn on the way home using Autopilot. I turned the blinker to switch lane and to my surprise the car changed lane by itself! Went to the Software menu and it shows I now have Enhanced Autopilot until the end of March! Seems like a demo to push customers to buy it before end of Q1. Summon shows up on the App. And I definitely did not buy it by mistake. & #x200B Update: tried it out again this morning. With dense traffic it just doesn t work because of the stupid 5 second rule. It kept aborting the lane change because of timeout. Otherwise would have been pretty good. [https: www.teslarati.com tesla-autopilot-europe-restrictions-explained-video ](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-autopilot-europe-restrictions-explained-video ) & #x200B Update 2: auto parking works very well summon is awesome despite EU limitations but lane changes does not work with the strict EU requirements unless the road is clear. & #x200B I will do a long trip (600km) next week across south Germany and will check how it performs. | Trying to get some Q1 buyers. Standard Tesla tactics. | Hmmm fascinating! | 111 | 2 | 8,207 |
m730vy | 710 | Enhanced Autopilot showed up as demo subscription in Germany! Was driving on the Autobahn on the way home using Autopilot. I turned the blinker to switch lane and to my surprise the car changed lane by itself! Went to the Software menu and it shows I now have Enhanced Autopilot until the end of March! Seems like a demo to push customers to buy it before end of Q1. Summon shows up on the App. And I definitely did not buy it by mistake. & #x200B Update: tried it out again this morning. With dense traffic it just doesn t work because of the stupid 5 second rule. It kept aborting the lane change because of timeout. Otherwise would have been pretty good. [https: www.teslarati.com tesla-autopilot-europe-restrictions-explained-video ](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-autopilot-europe-restrictions-explained-video ) & #x200B Update 2: auto parking works very well summon is awesome despite EU limitations but lane changes does not work with the strict EU requirements unless the road is clear. & #x200B I will do a long trip (600km) next week across south Germany and will check how it performs. | Trying to get some Q1 buyers. Standard Tesla tactics. | A surprise to be sure but a welcome one. | 111 | 25 | 8,208 |
m730vy | 710 | Enhanced Autopilot showed up as demo subscription in Germany! Was driving on the Autobahn on the way home using Autopilot. I turned the blinker to switch lane and to my surprise the car changed lane by itself! Went to the Software menu and it shows I now have Enhanced Autopilot until the end of March! Seems like a demo to push customers to buy it before end of Q1. Summon shows up on the App. And I definitely did not buy it by mistake. & #x200B Update: tried it out again this morning. With dense traffic it just doesn t work because of the stupid 5 second rule. It kept aborting the lane change because of timeout. Otherwise would have been pretty good. [https: www.teslarati.com tesla-autopilot-europe-restrictions-explained-video ](https: www.teslarati.com tesla-autopilot-europe-restrictions-explained-video ) & #x200B Update 2: auto parking works very well summon is awesome despite EU limitations but lane changes does not work with the strict EU requirements unless the road is clear. & #x200B I will do a long trip (600km) next week across south Germany and will check how it performs. | Trying to get some Q1 buyers. Standard Tesla tactics. | Same in Denmark👍 Expires 31mar2021 | 111 | 26 | 8,209 |
m7482j | 311 | PSA: If financing through Tesla email them and ask for a better rate I saw a comment thread that was buried pretty deep so I figured I d share my experience and repost for visibility. Apologies if this is a bad post. If you are financing through Tesla spend the 2 minutes to email [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) and ask for a better rate. If you chat call talk to your advisor they will tell you that the lowest rate Tesla offers is 2.49% . Like all car manufacturers this statement may be technically true but it s dishonest at best. I got a 1.89% from my one email with Chase instead of the standard 2.49 with Wells Fargo. If I had to do any of the leg work I probably wouldn t have cared about the $12 a month but it s $864 over the life of my loan so it was well worth the 2 minute email. I don t know the mechanics of how this all works but it was well worth the minimal effort to save almost a grand over time. Good luck! Edit: had tesla leasing instead of financing on here. sorry about that and thanks for the feedback! | This worked for me. I got my rate of 2.49% with US Bank switched to 1.69% with Chase. | Tried this didn t work got to 2.29 which is what the bank I already use offered. 780s credit score. | 70 | 27 | 8,210 |
m7482j | 311 | PSA: If financing through Tesla email them and ask for a better rate I saw a comment thread that was buried pretty deep so I figured I d share my experience and repost for visibility. Apologies if this is a bad post. If you are financing through Tesla spend the 2 minutes to email [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) and ask for a better rate. If you chat call talk to your advisor they will tell you that the lowest rate Tesla offers is 2.49% . Like all car manufacturers this statement may be technically true but it s dishonest at best. I got a 1.89% from my one email with Chase instead of the standard 2.49 with Wells Fargo. If I had to do any of the leg work I probably wouldn t have cared about the $12 a month but it s $864 over the life of my loan so it was well worth the 2 minute email. I don t know the mechanics of how this all works but it was well worth the minimal effort to save almost a grand over time. Good luck! Edit: had tesla leasing instead of financing on here. sorry about that and thanks for the feedback! | Identical experience. 2.49 > 1.89 WF to Chase. It literally takes 30 seconds so you have nothing to lose. To anyone hesitant presumably you were comfortable enough with the standard terms to actually order the car so there is only upside in sending the email. If you re uncomfortable writing emails here s the text of the email I sent which you re welcome to copy and paste: > Hello > > I was offered a rate of **X%** on my recent order of a Tesla Model **N** (**RNXXXXXXX**). I m writing to inquire if considering the stated rates at my local credit union you may be able to find me a lower or more competitive rate? I would be very grateful. > > Best > > **Name** | Thanks for sharing this!! Is this if you are still waiting for your financing to be finalized or does that also apply when I m already into the loan have my car? | 31 | 4 | 8,211 |
m7czlq | 34 | Tesla Model Y camping extended road trip? Has anyone done this I ve seen videos of beds made for them for small camping trips. How feasible is it to make a trip across the country. My wife and I don t work anymore (I consult w my old company 1 hour a week but I don t consider that working) so we can take our time and aren t in a rush. My plan is to buy a model Y when we are both vaccinated and things settle down as more people are vaccinated and drive across the country to see national parks. | I ve seen plenty of people do it one time we were charging at the Culver City Super Charger in Los Angeles around like 10:30PM. A Model 3 pulls up and the driver plugs in. Shortly afterwards he and who I assume is his wife or girlfriend start putting up a windshield shade and a makeshift curtain on the passenger windows. 5 minutes in you can clearly hear moaning ( even with my windows up) I guess you can consider that camping? | I ve seen a number of people camping in the Model 3 and the Model S so a Y should be perfect. It s got camp mode after all! | 52 | 2 | 8,212 |
m7czlq | 34 | Tesla Model Y camping extended road trip? Has anyone done this I ve seen videos of beds made for them for small camping trips. How feasible is it to make a trip across the country. My wife and I don t work anymore (I consult w my old company 1 hour a week but I don t consider that working) so we can take our time and aren t in a rush. My plan is to buy a model Y when we are both vaccinated and things settle down as more people are vaccinated and drive across the country to see national parks. | I ve seen plenty of people do it one time we were charging at the Culver City Super Charger in Los Angeles around like 10:30PM. A Model 3 pulls up and the driver plugs in. Shortly afterwards he and who I assume is his wife or girlfriend start putting up a windshield shade and a makeshift curtain on the passenger windows. 5 minutes in you can clearly hear moaning ( even with my windows up) I guess you can consider that camping? | I own one of the mattresses for my model 3. I d consider it possible but it will be a little tight. In the model 3 specifically (and probably the Y) I would expect to have to have a hitch with a trunk on the back of the car for extra storage. Obviously this will reduce mileage but it would easily be worth it. It also gives you a place to put things when the bed is unfolded in the back of the car which is something you might not thing about before actually going on a trip. You ll want to get the adapter that lets you plug into RV plugs so you can make use of electric campsites. My advice would be buy the bed do a couple campouts at electric campsites to practice. Then a night at a non electric campsite to see if the “charging anxiety” is something you can handle (it s different than the minimal anxiety you get from day to day). Overall I LOVE camping in our model 3. It s a tight fit with 2 people but it does work and it s just slightly worse than sleeping on a full bed from a space perspective. I took out the “sitting part” of the backseats and laid a nice solid (thin) board across so the seat backs were better supported and didn t have an angle. Easy basically free much better sleep. Feel free to AMA could talk about Tesla camping all day | 52 | 4 | 8,213 |
m7czlq | 34 | Tesla Model Y camping extended road trip? Has anyone done this I ve seen videos of beds made for them for small camping trips. How feasible is it to make a trip across the country. My wife and I don t work anymore (I consult w my old company 1 hour a week but I don t consider that working) so we can take our time and aren t in a rush. My plan is to buy a model Y when we are both vaccinated and things settle down as more people are vaccinated and drive across the country to see national parks. | I ve seen plenty of people do it one time we were charging at the Culver City Super Charger in Los Angeles around like 10:30PM. A Model 3 pulls up and the driver plugs in. Shortly afterwards he and who I assume is his wife or girlfriend start putting up a windshield shade and a makeshift curtain on the passenger windows. 5 minutes in you can clearly hear moaning ( even with my windows up) I guess you can consider that camping? | Sounds like a blast. Do it. | 52 | 22 | 8,214 |
m7thom | 86 | Does anyone here drive 100+ miles per day to work in their Tesla? I m having to apply for jobs in several locations and am just now getting out of military. Based on trying to coordinate with my family some of these jobs may be long commutes (1 hour each way) totaling in over 100 miles traveled per day. I do want my next vehicle to be a Tesla (Model Y performance) but I have no idea how the cars are after doing years of large amounts of highway driving. Is this a bad setup for owning a Tesla? Will these repeated long drives do anything dangerous to battery life? I ve read up a lot on maintaining appropriate charge levels so I m aware of all that just curious on whether there s something else I m missing here. & #x200B Thanks & #x200B EDIT: thanks for all the responses guys. This is very reassuring! I look forward to getting my Model Y! EDIT 2: everyone keeps mentioning how awesome AP is for the long drives. Thanks for all the help everyone | I do 122 miles per day in a 2018 LR3D. It has 8% degradation. Commute is in CT so winter takes a 30% hit on range. I have zero issues with this commute. FSD helps A TON as I just listen to audiobooks and chill in the slow lane to work. I d recommend a Long Range Y with the 19” rims and spurge the extra $2000 for the performance boost. Plenty quick. Better range. Smoother ride $8 000 cheaper. Tires will last a lot longer. 0-60 in 4.2 is still stupid quick compared to anything not a Tesla out there. | I have approximately 140km of commute everyday which is about 100 miles. No problems at all with the distance or degradation so far. I live in Norway so low temperatures in Winter are part of this. I can charge for free at work so most of the times I do charge at 11kW chargers. | 93 | 2 | 8,215 |
m7thom | 86 | Does anyone here drive 100+ miles per day to work in their Tesla? I m having to apply for jobs in several locations and am just now getting out of military. Based on trying to coordinate with my family some of these jobs may be long commutes (1 hour each way) totaling in over 100 miles traveled per day. I do want my next vehicle to be a Tesla (Model Y performance) but I have no idea how the cars are after doing years of large amounts of highway driving. Is this a bad setup for owning a Tesla? Will these repeated long drives do anything dangerous to battery life? I ve read up a lot on maintaining appropriate charge levels so I m aware of all that just curious on whether there s something else I m missing here. & #x200B Thanks & #x200B EDIT: thanks for all the responses guys. This is very reassuring! I look forward to getting my Model Y! EDIT 2: everyone keeps mentioning how awesome AP is for the long drives. Thanks for all the help everyone | I do 122 miles per day in a 2018 LR3D. It has 8% degradation. Commute is in CT so winter takes a 30% hit on range. I have zero issues with this commute. FSD helps A TON as I just listen to audiobooks and chill in the slow lane to work. I d recommend a Long Range Y with the 19” rims and spurge the extra $2000 for the performance boost. Plenty quick. Better range. Smoother ride $8 000 cheaper. Tires will last a lot longer. 0-60 in 4.2 is still stupid quick compared to anything not a Tesla out there. | Make sure you factor in the winter commute just in case. In the winter assume you ll get about 65% of the mileage so if your roundtrip is > 65% of the max range then you ll have to do a little thinking. That s be a crazy commute though so even in that case I d rather Tesla + autopilot + charging vs. ICE car. | 93 | 2 | 8,216 |
m7thom | 86 | Does anyone here drive 100+ miles per day to work in their Tesla? I m having to apply for jobs in several locations and am just now getting out of military. Based on trying to coordinate with my family some of these jobs may be long commutes (1 hour each way) totaling in over 100 miles traveled per day. I do want my next vehicle to be a Tesla (Model Y performance) but I have no idea how the cars are after doing years of large amounts of highway driving. Is this a bad setup for owning a Tesla? Will these repeated long drives do anything dangerous to battery life? I ve read up a lot on maintaining appropriate charge levels so I m aware of all that just curious on whether there s something else I m missing here. & #x200B Thanks & #x200B EDIT: thanks for all the responses guys. This is very reassuring! I look forward to getting my Model Y! EDIT 2: everyone keeps mentioning how awesome AP is for the long drives. Thanks for all the help everyone | I do 122 miles per day in a 2018 LR3D. It has 8% degradation. Commute is in CT so winter takes a 30% hit on range. I have zero issues with this commute. FSD helps A TON as I just listen to audiobooks and chill in the slow lane to work. I d recommend a Long Range Y with the 19” rims and spurge the extra $2000 for the performance boost. Plenty quick. Better range. Smoother ride $8 000 cheaper. Tires will last a lot longer. 0-60 in 4.2 is still stupid quick compared to anything not a Tesla out there. | Other than tires washer fluid and cabin air filters there isn t much maintenance to worry about and EVs generally do far better with lots of miles compared to ICE. Plenty of folks on here are putting up 25-30k+ miles a year (especially pre-Covid). AP will make your highway commute much easier too. The one thing you might consider is potentially changing the rims wheels setup for the Performance Y - you can get longer range better ride feel and worry less about potholes. | 93 | 3 | 8,217 |
m85gjc | 2,004 | Currently Trapped at a Supercharger My 2021 Model 3 is currently plugged into a supercharger with no way to unplug or release the cable. I ve spoken to support who walked me through all of the available solutions including the manual release. Nothing has worked and I ve been told that roadside assistance will not be available for “at least several hours”. So it looks like I may be stuck here until midnight or later.... This is one of my first experiences with support and to say I m disappointed would be an understatement. Does anyone have suggestions on anything else to try?? Thanks Update: Support has now said roadside assistance won t be able until “10am at the earliest” 2nd Update: [Uploaded a video here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments m8ac8v 130am_update_still_trapped_at_a_supercharger ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf) [Latest Update](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments m8ac8v 130am_update_still_trapped_at_a_supercharger grji3sv) | I ve helped several people with this exact problem over the years. A couple months back someone had parked too far from the charging stall but forced the plug in anyways so that the cable pulled back on the plug at an angle. When trying to release either electronically or manually the locking pin was jammed against the plug and couldn t move. He had to push the plug into the car with his whole weight while I pulled the release which successfully got it unplugged. Edit: grammar also totally not their fault – snow makes it impossible to park close enough in a lot of places so this is really common here | Random question but is the supercharger fully operational? Only time I had a similar issue was when I was seeing if a supercharger was live at a new site | 336 | 4 | 8,218 |
m85gjc | 2,004 | Currently Trapped at a Supercharger My 2021 Model 3 is currently plugged into a supercharger with no way to unplug or release the cable. I ve spoken to support who walked me through all of the available solutions including the manual release. Nothing has worked and I ve been told that roadside assistance will not be available for “at least several hours”. So it looks like I may be stuck here until midnight or later.... This is one of my first experiences with support and to say I m disappointed would be an understatement. Does anyone have suggestions on anything else to try?? Thanks Update: Support has now said roadside assistance won t be able until “10am at the earliest” 2nd Update: [Uploaded a video here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments m8ac8v 130am_update_still_trapped_at_a_supercharger ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf) [Latest Update](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments m8ac8v 130am_update_still_trapped_at_a_supercharger grji3sv) | I ve helped several people with this exact problem over the years. A couple months back someone had parked too far from the charging stall but forced the plug in anyways so that the cable pulled back on the plug at an angle. When trying to release either electronically or manually the locking pin was jammed against the plug and couldn t move. He had to push the plug into the car with his whole weight while I pulled the release which successfully got it unplugged. Edit: grammar also totally not their fault – snow makes it impossible to park close enough in a lot of places so this is really common here | Call an Uber go to the nearest Home Depot and rent a chainsaw and cut that fucking cord. Let tesla come to your house and figure the rest out! Jk that sucks but hopefully you ll be home in no time! | 336 | 9 | 8,219 |
m85gjc | 2,004 | Currently Trapped at a Supercharger My 2021 Model 3 is currently plugged into a supercharger with no way to unplug or release the cable. I ve spoken to support who walked me through all of the available solutions including the manual release. Nothing has worked and I ve been told that roadside assistance will not be available for “at least several hours”. So it looks like I may be stuck here until midnight or later.... This is one of my first experiences with support and to say I m disappointed would be an understatement. Does anyone have suggestions on anything else to try?? Thanks Update: Support has now said roadside assistance won t be able until “10am at the earliest” 2nd Update: [Uploaded a video here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments m8ac8v 130am_update_still_trapped_at_a_supercharger ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf) [Latest Update](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments m8ac8v 130am_update_still_trapped_at_a_supercharger grji3sv) | I ve helped several people with this exact problem over the years. A couple months back someone had parked too far from the charging stall but forced the plug in anyways so that the cable pulled back on the plug at an angle. When trying to release either electronically or manually the locking pin was jammed against the plug and couldn t move. He had to push the plug into the car with his whole weight while I pulled the release which successfully got it unplugged. Edit: grammar also totally not their fault – snow makes it impossible to park close enough in a lot of places so this is really common here | Hulu or Netflix? | 336 | 10 | 8,220 |
m8731w | 378 | The Tesla saved my family s lives TWICE in one day Preface: This car impresses the hell out of me. I m a pretty skilled driver racing training etc and still this thing outperforms my insights and reflexes. Many times it s wrong but sometimes it s not... Road trip with my two kids from Reno to Vegas. Highway 95 is a 2-lane road well traveled by slow trucks. Drivers tend to get agitated and make daring passing maneuvers. I have FSD but I m not sure how much of this was just normal autopilot. Since it s not a divided highway the autonav was not active. Just auto steer. The first incident I was glancing down at the screen when suddenly the brakes slammed on and every mortal alarm sounded. I looked up just in time to see the oncoming car dive back into its lane narrowly missing a head on collision with us. The Tesla braking gave the other driver enough time to get back over. Had the Tesla not braked who knows... Granted definitely a case of distracted driver I m not perfect and this time would have mattered. We said “whoa” and started laughing like you do when you just told Death “Not today!” and it worked. The second incident was fucking sobering and also really made me grateful. This time it was an impatient semi that wanted to pass another semi. I saw this one coming but the Tesla reacted first. Every mortal alarm goes off as two semis are barreling at me taking up the whole road. My reflexes are pretty fast but the Tesla was faster. It slammed on the brakes HARD and avoided to the right crossing over the rumble strip and seeking cover on the shoulder of the road. It all happened so quickly that it took me a few moments to review things in my mind and realize “wait...I didn t do all that” Tl dr - Not Today Edit: thanks for all the comments. I wonder now if both of these situations could also have been handled more cooperatively. For example normally when you see someone doing a passing maneuver and it s obvious they re cutting it close you ll slow down or make room some other way. You ll look to see where they re likely to complete the pass and help them time it. You won t just keep driving full speed center lane at them until it becomes an emergency. Those situations don t even feel dire it s just drivers looking out for one another. It s not really an emergency unless you make it one by not cooperating. Another example you can usually tell if an oncoming vehicle crosses their lane line just to get a peek at the situation vs actually committing to the pass. No need to panic in that case you just hug the shoulder to make extra room. I ve even been in situations where I was forced entirely out of my lane to the shoulder and just kept driving. Yeah the other guy messed up but it s not like he meant to or that I can make it better by panicking. Just make space for the situation to resolve and motor on. Grudges and aggression don t help. So the collision avoidance is definitely cool but hopefully FSD will some day be sophisticated enough to cooperate with other drivers. There were other cases where it correctly did nothing I think just because the safety thresholds weren t crossed vs really any intelligent reasoning just not a close enough to trigger the safeties. | I ve driven over a million miles and been in a few accidents but never at-fault and never serious. I m a driving is your only job driver and often get made fun of because I will tell my passenger(s) to shut up if I need to concentrate on driving. Road trips can be fun but they have to be safe first. Twice this year the Tesla has saved my ass. Once mundanely when we were returning from a week-long trip where I drove a rental all week and hadn t re-acclimated to DC drivers or my mirrors. I hit the blinker prepared to merge onto the highway and all of a sudden the Tesla pulled me HARD back into my lane. **Fucking autopilot.** *NYAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW* a mustang douchebag comes flying by me doing 90+MPH in a 50. Tesla saw it I did not. Second time is one I actually posted in r IdiotsInCars I was able to get the fuckhead [prosecuted](https: www.reddit.com r IdiotsInCars comments ki5149 if_this_bmw_idiot_cant_be_first_hell_run_you_off ) despite an uncooperative ADA. My dad was in the car and he asked whether the first evasive move was me or the car and I confidently responded that it was me but looking back I m pretty sure the Tesla braked for me and my instinct was to swerve. I think we braked WAY too hard for me to have handled both the pedal change and swerve with that much grace. | That s amazing!! First case you were distracted but second you saw and were going to react but the car did it before you? | 37 | 2 | 8,221 |
m8731w | 378 | The Tesla saved my family s lives TWICE in one day Preface: This car impresses the hell out of me. I m a pretty skilled driver racing training etc and still this thing outperforms my insights and reflexes. Many times it s wrong but sometimes it s not... Road trip with my two kids from Reno to Vegas. Highway 95 is a 2-lane road well traveled by slow trucks. Drivers tend to get agitated and make daring passing maneuvers. I have FSD but I m not sure how much of this was just normal autopilot. Since it s not a divided highway the autonav was not active. Just auto steer. The first incident I was glancing down at the screen when suddenly the brakes slammed on and every mortal alarm sounded. I looked up just in time to see the oncoming car dive back into its lane narrowly missing a head on collision with us. The Tesla braking gave the other driver enough time to get back over. Had the Tesla not braked who knows... Granted definitely a case of distracted driver I m not perfect and this time would have mattered. We said “whoa” and started laughing like you do when you just told Death “Not today!” and it worked. The second incident was fucking sobering and also really made me grateful. This time it was an impatient semi that wanted to pass another semi. I saw this one coming but the Tesla reacted first. Every mortal alarm goes off as two semis are barreling at me taking up the whole road. My reflexes are pretty fast but the Tesla was faster. It slammed on the brakes HARD and avoided to the right crossing over the rumble strip and seeking cover on the shoulder of the road. It all happened so quickly that it took me a few moments to review things in my mind and realize “wait...I didn t do all that” Tl dr - Not Today Edit: thanks for all the comments. I wonder now if both of these situations could also have been handled more cooperatively. For example normally when you see someone doing a passing maneuver and it s obvious they re cutting it close you ll slow down or make room some other way. You ll look to see where they re likely to complete the pass and help them time it. You won t just keep driving full speed center lane at them until it becomes an emergency. Those situations don t even feel dire it s just drivers looking out for one another. It s not really an emergency unless you make it one by not cooperating. Another example you can usually tell if an oncoming vehicle crosses their lane line just to get a peek at the situation vs actually committing to the pass. No need to panic in that case you just hug the shoulder to make extra room. I ve even been in situations where I was forced entirely out of my lane to the shoulder and just kept driving. Yeah the other guy messed up but it s not like he meant to or that I can make it better by panicking. Just make space for the situation to resolve and motor on. Grudges and aggression don t help. So the collision avoidance is definitely cool but hopefully FSD will some day be sophisticated enough to cooperate with other drivers. There were other cases where it correctly did nothing I think just because the safety thresholds weren t crossed vs really any intelligent reasoning just not a close enough to trigger the safeties. | I ve driven over a million miles and been in a few accidents but never at-fault and never serious. I m a driving is your only job driver and often get made fun of because I will tell my passenger(s) to shut up if I need to concentrate on driving. Road trips can be fun but they have to be safe first. Twice this year the Tesla has saved my ass. Once mundanely when we were returning from a week-long trip where I drove a rental all week and hadn t re-acclimated to DC drivers or my mirrors. I hit the blinker prepared to merge onto the highway and all of a sudden the Tesla pulled me HARD back into my lane. **Fucking autopilot.** *NYAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW* a mustang douchebag comes flying by me doing 90+MPH in a 50. Tesla saw it I did not. Second time is one I actually posted in r IdiotsInCars I was able to get the fuckhead [prosecuted](https: www.reddit.com r IdiotsInCars comments ki5149 if_this_bmw_idiot_cant_be_first_hell_run_you_off ) despite an uncooperative ADA. My dad was in the car and he asked whether the first evasive move was me or the car and I confidently responded that it was me but looking back I m pretty sure the Tesla braked for me and my instinct was to swerve. I think we braked WAY too hard for me to have handled both the pedal change and swerve with that much grace. | Wow cool! I hope I never have to find out how good the car is. | 37 | 8 | 8,222 |
m8731w | 378 | The Tesla saved my family s lives TWICE in one day Preface: This car impresses the hell out of me. I m a pretty skilled driver racing training etc and still this thing outperforms my insights and reflexes. Many times it s wrong but sometimes it s not... Road trip with my two kids from Reno to Vegas. Highway 95 is a 2-lane road well traveled by slow trucks. Drivers tend to get agitated and make daring passing maneuvers. I have FSD but I m not sure how much of this was just normal autopilot. Since it s not a divided highway the autonav was not active. Just auto steer. The first incident I was glancing down at the screen when suddenly the brakes slammed on and every mortal alarm sounded. I looked up just in time to see the oncoming car dive back into its lane narrowly missing a head on collision with us. The Tesla braking gave the other driver enough time to get back over. Had the Tesla not braked who knows... Granted definitely a case of distracted driver I m not perfect and this time would have mattered. We said “whoa” and started laughing like you do when you just told Death “Not today!” and it worked. The second incident was fucking sobering and also really made me grateful. This time it was an impatient semi that wanted to pass another semi. I saw this one coming but the Tesla reacted first. Every mortal alarm goes off as two semis are barreling at me taking up the whole road. My reflexes are pretty fast but the Tesla was faster. It slammed on the brakes HARD and avoided to the right crossing over the rumble strip and seeking cover on the shoulder of the road. It all happened so quickly that it took me a few moments to review things in my mind and realize “wait...I didn t do all that” Tl dr - Not Today Edit: thanks for all the comments. I wonder now if both of these situations could also have been handled more cooperatively. For example normally when you see someone doing a passing maneuver and it s obvious they re cutting it close you ll slow down or make room some other way. You ll look to see where they re likely to complete the pass and help them time it. You won t just keep driving full speed center lane at them until it becomes an emergency. Those situations don t even feel dire it s just drivers looking out for one another. It s not really an emergency unless you make it one by not cooperating. Another example you can usually tell if an oncoming vehicle crosses their lane line just to get a peek at the situation vs actually committing to the pass. No need to panic in that case you just hug the shoulder to make extra room. I ve even been in situations where I was forced entirely out of my lane to the shoulder and just kept driving. Yeah the other guy messed up but it s not like he meant to or that I can make it better by panicking. Just make space for the situation to resolve and motor on. Grudges and aggression don t help. So the collision avoidance is definitely cool but hopefully FSD will some day be sophisticated enough to cooperate with other drivers. There were other cases where it correctly did nothing I think just because the safety thresholds weren t crossed vs really any intelligent reasoning just not a close enough to trigger the safeties. | I ve driven over a million miles and been in a few accidents but never at-fault and never serious. I m a driving is your only job driver and often get made fun of because I will tell my passenger(s) to shut up if I need to concentrate on driving. Road trips can be fun but they have to be safe first. Twice this year the Tesla has saved my ass. Once mundanely when we were returning from a week-long trip where I drove a rental all week and hadn t re-acclimated to DC drivers or my mirrors. I hit the blinker prepared to merge onto the highway and all of a sudden the Tesla pulled me HARD back into my lane. **Fucking autopilot.** *NYAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW* a mustang douchebag comes flying by me doing 90+MPH in a 50. Tesla saw it I did not. Second time is one I actually posted in r IdiotsInCars I was able to get the fuckhead [prosecuted](https: www.reddit.com r IdiotsInCars comments ki5149 if_this_bmw_idiot_cant_be_first_hell_run_you_off ) despite an uncooperative ADA. My dad was in the car and he asked whether the first evasive move was me or the car and I confidently responded that it was me but looking back I m pretty sure the Tesla braked for me and my instinct was to swerve. I think we braked WAY too hard for me to have handled both the pedal change and swerve with that much grace. | My car saved me from a sideswipe on the interstate the other day. Holy crap is it impressive | 37 | 9 | 8,223 |
m8gzo2 | 225 | Tesla Should Build Superchargers on the Vast Rest Stop Network for US Highways Tesla should try and strike a deal with the US Govt. to build a massive EV network on the rest area network for each highway. Maybe every 20 miles or so. A partnership could be sold as a way to build more jobs improve existing infrastructure (always big for politicians) and expand their EV charging network. Thoughts?? | I don t think the US Gov will be onboard with superchargers but rather a generic EV charger. | Rest stop superchargers would be perfect since they would get you back on the road faster. Currently some superchargers are miles off the highway. Also many of the Superchargers are near supermarkets and shopping malls so locals will use them to convenience charge. | 178 | 2 | 8,224 |
m8gzo2 | 225 | Tesla Should Build Superchargers on the Vast Rest Stop Network for US Highways Tesla should try and strike a deal with the US Govt. to build a massive EV network on the rest area network for each highway. Maybe every 20 miles or so. A partnership could be sold as a way to build more jobs improve existing infrastructure (always big for politicians) and expand their EV charging network. Thoughts?? | I don t think the US Gov will be onboard with superchargers but rather a generic EV charger. | I m not even sure what kind of vast rest stop network we re talking about here. You mean on the interstate highways? I know we don t have anything like that out on non-interstate federal or state highways which are crying out for charging stations. (In Texas we have a scattering of roadside parks which are basically just picnic tables and a trash bin but no electricity.) What I ve seen in recent years is the proliferation of ever-larger convenience stores or travel stops with more amenities like Buc-ee s or like the Texas Best truck stop complex that I recently visited at Henrietta TX. These are places where it s not hard at all to spend 20–30 minutes. Right now that s looking to me like the model for the future. | 178 | 8 | 8,225 |
m8gzo2 | 225 | Tesla Should Build Superchargers on the Vast Rest Stop Network for US Highways Tesla should try and strike a deal with the US Govt. to build a massive EV network on the rest area network for each highway. Maybe every 20 miles or so. A partnership could be sold as a way to build more jobs improve existing infrastructure (always big for politicians) and expand their EV charging network. Thoughts?? | I don t think the US Gov will be onboard with superchargers but rather a generic EV charger. | I don t want to spend 25 minutes at a rest stop. I d rather spend it at a place next to other places that have foods or services I d like to use. I know that some toll interstate systems have oases so it would be nice to have them there when you can t get off without paying but other than that I would not be excited about this. | 178 | 23 | 8,226 |
m9fsxz | 32 | Stranded on the side of the street frunk problems Sorry if it s not the right place for that but I m stuck in my TM3. Roadside is super slow so I thought maybe someone else had this problem. I tried to open my frunk but it s stuck. It popped out but the latch didn t release it. So I can t open it but I also can t close it. It won t let me drive past 15 mph and I need to take the highway to drive back home. Tried to push it back in. Tried to reset and tried to power it off and on. Sorry if doesn t make sense English isn t my first language. | I unfortunately can t help but you should know that your English was immaculate. Seriously--it doesn t seem like you have any reason to doubt yourself. | Did you try this: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 97sdny frunk\\_stuck\\_on\\_model\\_3\\_solution\\_i\\_found ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 97sdny frunk_stuck_on_model_3_solution_i_found ) | 41 | 8 | 8,227 |
m9fsxz | 32 | Stranded on the side of the street frunk problems Sorry if it s not the right place for that but I m stuck in my TM3. Roadside is super slow so I thought maybe someone else had this problem. I tried to open my frunk but it s stuck. It popped out but the latch didn t release it. So I can t open it but I also can t close it. It won t let me drive past 15 mph and I need to take the highway to drive back home. Tried to push it back in. Tried to reset and tried to power it off and on. Sorry if doesn t make sense English isn t my first language. | I unfortunately can t help but you should know that your English was immaculate. Seriously--it doesn t seem like you have any reason to doubt yourself. | Do you have a flat head or screw driver? The latch is probably catching on something. If the hood pops slightly there should be enough room to stick a screw driver to push the latch open | 41 | 12 | 8,228 |
m9me78 | 23 | Taxes FSD and Insurance: where to put $10k? I m planning to purchase a model Y with FSD within a month or so. I figure buying FSD on it s own after purchase of the vehicle will save on registration taxes for the car (NC resident here) in subsequent years. So does it make sense to put less down on the car (w o FSD) then buy FSD afterwards? Could also earn rewards via credit card too. Does this affect insurance with $10k in value missing from initial purchase? Guessing probably not. | Check out some of the recent threads with the FSD beta. Tons of buyers regret wasting money on it. I d suggest saving the 10k until they actually make a useful product. | I too like your thought process and think that it makes sense. In terms of insurance you can always tell your insurance agent to add 10k to the value of your car when insuring to cover that but I don t think it s necessary | 35 | 3 | 8,229 |
m9me78 | 23 | Taxes FSD and Insurance: where to put $10k? I m planning to purchase a model Y with FSD within a month or so. I figure buying FSD on it s own after purchase of the vehicle will save on registration taxes for the car (NC resident here) in subsequent years. So does it make sense to put less down on the car (w o FSD) then buy FSD afterwards? Could also earn rewards via credit card too. Does this affect insurance with $10k in value missing from initial purchase? Guessing probably not. | Check out some of the recent threads with the FSD beta. Tons of buyers regret wasting money on it. I d suggest saving the 10k until they actually make a useful product. | Following as I m in the same boat (also in NC)! | 35 | 3 | 8,230 |
m9me78 | 23 | Taxes FSD and Insurance: where to put $10k? I m planning to purchase a model Y with FSD within a month or so. I figure buying FSD on it s own after purchase of the vehicle will save on registration taxes for the car (NC resident here) in subsequent years. So does it make sense to put less down on the car (w o FSD) then buy FSD afterwards? Could also earn rewards via credit card too. Does this affect insurance with $10k in value missing from initial purchase? Guessing probably not. | Check out some of the recent threads with the FSD beta. Tons of buyers regret wasting money on it. I d suggest saving the 10k until they actually make a useful product. | Check what the NC tax is calculated against. The FSD option is an accessory which might not see normal vehicle tax. Unless it s just a flat sales tax at which point you re paying it one way or another. Registration fees are probably calculated based on vehicle value not necessarily the price you paid. In my state we use the NADA guide value for the trim level you purchased. You ll find your municipal or state websites will have details on what is taxed and how. Insurance as has been discussed quite a few times here will vary. Make sure you have a policy that accounts for additions like FSD. Ask them specifically don t trust the internet to know your policy. If it s covered they ll pay a diminished value to your lien holder if you have one. They will not write a check for $10 000. My very honest feedback to you is that unless you re looking to use automatic lane change and you can t get enhanced autopilot right now hold off on the FSD purchase until it does more than just navigate on autopilot. If EAP is gone then you re kindof stuck. I d still put the $10k into an investment account until it did more because I find Navigate on Autopilot is too unreliable in my area. Invest the money and buy before Tesla raises the price again. | 35 | 6 | 8,231 |
m9tf05 | 22 | 31kWh for 50% ? Help me understand kWh consumption ?! Hello everyone I am a bit worried because yesterday I had a trip of 180km and battery went from 80% -> 30% and it displayed 31kWh consumption. Does it mean my battery is only 62kWh total (from a 75kWh origin) or it is wrong estimation from this trip ? Big thanks ! N.B.: TM3 LR sport wheel 27 000km total weather was around 2 degrees Celsius | Available energy is about 70kWh not 75. Stationary usage does not count in trip usage so any time spent sitting still is not counted. Energy spent pre-heating the battery and or cabin is not counted either. Sounds like your consumption is within reason but there s lots of factors at play and impossible for us to know exactly what s going on with this little information. Likely there s nothing wrong with the car and you re stressing over nothing. | I noticed the same thing on my car. | 53 | 2 | 8,232 |
m9tf05 | 22 | 31kWh for 50% ? Help me understand kWh consumption ?! Hello everyone I am a bit worried because yesterday I had a trip of 180km and battery went from 80% -> 30% and it displayed 31kWh consumption. Does it mean my battery is only 62kWh total (from a 75kWh origin) or it is wrong estimation from this trip ? Big thanks ! N.B.: TM3 LR sport wheel 27 000km total weather was around 2 degrees Celsius | Available energy is about 70kWh not 75. Stationary usage does not count in trip usage so any time spent sitting still is not counted. Energy spent pre-heating the battery and or cabin is not counted either. Sounds like your consumption is within reason but there s lots of factors at play and impossible for us to know exactly what s going on with this little information. Likely there s nothing wrong with the car and you re stressing over nothing. | 2C is pretty cold. Did you pre-condition the battery? What was your average speed? Was the terrain hilly or flat? Those things will affect your range and when the temp is that close to freezing their affect will be much more | 53 | 11 | 8,233 |
ma0pv3 | 40 | How long did it take you to learn the ins and outs of how the tesla battery usage works? I m planning on getting one within the next few months. And for some reason learning how the charging math works seems daunting. For example when it s charging I m not sure what the kw numbers means. I know you can look into the sub discharging menu and look at your overall kw used and your most recent x amount of miles driven and that can give you a good idea of how energy efficiently you re driving overall and recently. And you can also use that to gauge how long you can go on a single charge. I m sure with enough research and time using the car I ll get used to it. | Energy usage becomes very understandable once you start driving. So don t sweat it too much until you get your Tesla. There s really no need to worry about it when you re driving locally since you ll aways have 200+ miles as long as you charge at home. Just enjoy the performance of your Tesla. Road trips are made simple with **Tesla energy and trip graph**. The trip graph is BY FAR the most accurate prediction of how much energy that you ll need to reach your destination. It incorporates altitude changes of your route your speed current energy usage of other systems (climate control driving style etc.). It s typically only off by +2% over 200+ miles road trips. You can really drive with confidence with Trip Energy Graph. Here s a video that explains the Tesla Energy and Trip graphs. The trip graph overview starts at 4:07. I hope that this is helpful. [Overview: Tesla Energy and Trip Graphs](https: youtu.be NsKe6NiKdwA) | I mostly don t look at the kW kWh numbers other than figuring out if I m getting a slower than expected charge for some reason. The general way I navigate on a long trip is 1. Plan it out ahead of time on [https: abetterrouteplanner.com](https: abetterrouteplanner.com) so I know roughly what to expect and what Superchargers are along the way. 2. Use the built in navigation either to the destination or to a specific Supercharger I want to stop at. When charging you charge until the car says you will get to the next stop with 5-10% battery left. If I was driving in poor weather or cold weather I might increase that buffer a bit. So really what matters when trying to get somewhere isn t kW kWh it s how much battery will I have left when I get to the next stop which the car tells you with fairly good accuracy. If that number starts to change while you re driving you might have to take corrective action like slow down a bit (the car will warn you about this) or plan another charging stop along the way. | 30 | 2 | 8,234 |
ma0pv3 | 40 | How long did it take you to learn the ins and outs of how the tesla battery usage works? I m planning on getting one within the next few months. And for some reason learning how the charging math works seems daunting. For example when it s charging I m not sure what the kw numbers means. I know you can look into the sub discharging menu and look at your overall kw used and your most recent x amount of miles driven and that can give you a good idea of how energy efficiently you re driving overall and recently. And you can also use that to gauge how long you can go on a single charge. I m sure with enough research and time using the car I ll get used to it. | Energy usage becomes very understandable once you start driving. So don t sweat it too much until you get your Tesla. There s really no need to worry about it when you re driving locally since you ll aways have 200+ miles as long as you charge at home. Just enjoy the performance of your Tesla. Road trips are made simple with **Tesla energy and trip graph**. The trip graph is BY FAR the most accurate prediction of how much energy that you ll need to reach your destination. It incorporates altitude changes of your route your speed current energy usage of other systems (climate control driving style etc.). It s typically only off by +2% over 200+ miles road trips. You can really drive with confidence with Trip Energy Graph. Here s a video that explains the Tesla Energy and Trip graphs. The trip graph overview starts at 4:07. I hope that this is helpful. [Overview: Tesla Energy and Trip Graphs](https: youtu.be NsKe6NiKdwA) | Before I bought my SR+ I looked up info on how fast they charge and typical degradation over time and stuff like that. I also downloaded apps like A Better Route Planner and plug share and mapped out some of the longer road trips we ve taken. And then started getting quotes for electricians to install a charger. But the truth of it is that none of that take matters: * We haven t bothered to get a better charger yet the outlet in our garage is slow but it s fine 99% of the time * I ve never needed to use the ABRP app and I ve never even opened up plug share * I switched the display to show percentage battery instead of range I couldn t even tell you how much range my battery has. It feels like it s well over 200 in average conditions when I charge to full. Here s what I do for charging: * Set the limit to 75% and plug in every night and I mostly don t even think about where it s at. If I m driving somewhere and won t be able to make it back without charging the car will tell me * If I m going on a longer trip I ll set the limit to 100% and set the scheduled departure for an hour or two before were planning on leaving and if it s cold out * I ll check the route on ABRP the night before mostly just to see if there s any good restaurants near any of the suggested charging stops. Which doesn t matter as much with the whole pandemic recently but we still plan to stop at lunch time and get takeout if there s a good spot. * I ll heat up the car before leaving. It would be nice to have a faster charger in the winter even the car and battery is warming up it ll use electricity faster than it can charge so I ll be a few percent below 100 when leaving if it s really cold out. Which hasn t mattered but it would be nice * The in car navigation and ABRP seem to mostly agree I ve never worried about making it to a charger or back home. Actually we often up with more charge left than predicted * If we re staying overnight somewhere I ll bring the regular charger with me if there s an outdoor outlet that s accessible it makes things more convenient. This is especially true in the winter because the car can be preheated which is nice. This is another reason I want to get a faster charger installed so I can leave the basic charger in the car In general I just don t have to think about it. The car handles most of the work of figuring out when and where to charge. And I ll only do something different if I want to take a break somewhere specific or if in know I want to end up with more charge or something. There s lots of fun graphs and ABRP is very good and fun to play around with but I m sure it s not needed for the kinds of road trips I do. Compared to how much research I did before buying the cat compared to now what I m most surprised about is how easy it all is. | 30 | 2 | 8,235 |
ma0pv3 | 40 | How long did it take you to learn the ins and outs of how the tesla battery usage works? I m planning on getting one within the next few months. And for some reason learning how the charging math works seems daunting. For example when it s charging I m not sure what the kw numbers means. I know you can look into the sub discharging menu and look at your overall kw used and your most recent x amount of miles driven and that can give you a good idea of how energy efficiently you re driving overall and recently. And you can also use that to gauge how long you can go on a single charge. I m sure with enough research and time using the car I ll get used to it. | Energy usage becomes very understandable once you start driving. So don t sweat it too much until you get your Tesla. There s really no need to worry about it when you re driving locally since you ll aways have 200+ miles as long as you charge at home. Just enjoy the performance of your Tesla. Road trips are made simple with **Tesla energy and trip graph**. The trip graph is BY FAR the most accurate prediction of how much energy that you ll need to reach your destination. It incorporates altitude changes of your route your speed current energy usage of other systems (climate control driving style etc.). It s typically only off by +2% over 200+ miles road trips. You can really drive with confidence with Trip Energy Graph. Here s a video that explains the Tesla Energy and Trip graphs. The trip graph overview starts at 4:07. I hope that this is helpful. [Overview: Tesla Energy and Trip Graphs](https: youtu.be NsKe6NiKdwA) | You don t really have to think about it unless you need to make a trip after you ve drained your battery. Then you have to decide how long you have and what kind of charge you can get. As long as you stay charged to 80-90% that s rarely an issue. | 30 | 2 | 8,236 |
ma1bgm | 64 | I bought a M3 for the fact it s an EV but I keep it because of the technology I m curious about what others think... I spent a lot of time justifying to myself why driving electric was better than gas (maintenance environmentally friendly etc) but what I ve actually found is that I really like the FSD. I bought it because I foolishly thought feature complete was just around the corner but I ve actually really come to appreciate the few features it does have and even given the option of getting a full rebate I would not take it. I like being able to just tap the stalk to change lanes and I use summon every day because I have a narrow garage and need to pull the car out to get kids in the back seat. A friend got one without FSD and noted how they thought it wouldn t be a big deal to have to manually change lanes but did realize it would be nice to have after taking delivery. I think all the noise is made about manufacturers going electric and how this will eat into Tesla s market share but I feel like the autopilot technology (and hopefully true FSD eventually) takes a back seat (no pun intended). Aside from people crapping on the delays of features or how it s not truly full self driving yet I feel like it goes unmentioned about how great a job it actually does. Our other car is an ICE car and going from Tesla to that car really makes me realize how much I like being able to leave the driving to the car. I drive 100km+ per day so I use the autopilot FSD a lot. So I realized this was more of a soapbox rather than a question but just wanted to put it out there anyways... I do wonder though anyone with experience with other driver assistance software is the Tesla actually far ahead of the competition? I mean in terms of cars that can drive anywhere (as opposed to Waymo). | I bought it for dog mode believe it or not. | My electricity is generated by solar 100% | 32 | 2 | 8,237 |
ma1bgm | 64 | I bought a M3 for the fact it s an EV but I keep it because of the technology I m curious about what others think... I spent a lot of time justifying to myself why driving electric was better than gas (maintenance environmentally friendly etc) but what I ve actually found is that I really like the FSD. I bought it because I foolishly thought feature complete was just around the corner but I ve actually really come to appreciate the few features it does have and even given the option of getting a full rebate I would not take it. I like being able to just tap the stalk to change lanes and I use summon every day because I have a narrow garage and need to pull the car out to get kids in the back seat. A friend got one without FSD and noted how they thought it wouldn t be a big deal to have to manually change lanes but did realize it would be nice to have after taking delivery. I think all the noise is made about manufacturers going electric and how this will eat into Tesla s market share but I feel like the autopilot technology (and hopefully true FSD eventually) takes a back seat (no pun intended). Aside from people crapping on the delays of features or how it s not truly full self driving yet I feel like it goes unmentioned about how great a job it actually does. Our other car is an ICE car and going from Tesla to that car really makes me realize how much I like being able to leave the driving to the car. I drive 100km+ per day so I use the autopilot FSD a lot. So I realized this was more of a soapbox rather than a question but just wanted to put it out there anyways... I do wonder though anyone with experience with other driver assistance software is the Tesla actually far ahead of the competition? I mean in terms of cars that can drive anywhere (as opposed to Waymo). | I bought it for dog mode believe it or not. | I bought a Model 3 so I don t ever have to stop at gas stations | 32 | 5 | 8,238 |
mao8zj | 139 | Engineering has now told SCs to stop replacing mispainted defective panels under warranty - Should I engage my state s Lemon Law? Anyone done this? So I own a white MY that s been repainted completely because the doors were a different color. Well now the plastic rear bumper cover doesn t match the rest of the car and the SC is refusing to replace while also acknowledging the defective part. They have the parts in stock locally have said the paint is pretty bad my car is under warranty and they ve simply told me to punch sand. I understand this wasn t the intent of the Lemon Law (TX in this case) but considering filing a complaint regardless. This car still has misaligned door panels and the local SC has dropped a window on the rear quarter denting it and removing paint (still not repaired). Am I wasting my time with this complaint and should I look into some sort of class action lawsuit? PM me if you re in the same boat. | Tesla really needs to get their shit together... | These seem to be cosmetic complaints. And many OEMs have their white not fully match when it s metal vs plastic. The SC damaging your car is an issue with the service center. That s not lemon law related. | 109 | 2 | 8,239 |
mao8zj | 139 | Engineering has now told SCs to stop replacing mispainted defective panels under warranty - Should I engage my state s Lemon Law? Anyone done this? So I own a white MY that s been repainted completely because the doors were a different color. Well now the plastic rear bumper cover doesn t match the rest of the car and the SC is refusing to replace while also acknowledging the defective part. They have the parts in stock locally have said the paint is pretty bad my car is under warranty and they ve simply told me to punch sand. I understand this wasn t the intent of the Lemon Law (TX in this case) but considering filing a complaint regardless. This car still has misaligned door panels and the local SC has dropped a window on the rear quarter denting it and removing paint (still not repaired). Am I wasting my time with this complaint and should I look into some sort of class action lawsuit? PM me if you re in the same boat. | Tesla really needs to get their shit together... | Pictures? | 109 | 10 | 8,240 |
mao8zj | 139 | Engineering has now told SCs to stop replacing mispainted defective panels under warranty - Should I engage my state s Lemon Law? Anyone done this? So I own a white MY that s been repainted completely because the doors were a different color. Well now the plastic rear bumper cover doesn t match the rest of the car and the SC is refusing to replace while also acknowledging the defective part. They have the parts in stock locally have said the paint is pretty bad my car is under warranty and they ve simply told me to punch sand. I understand this wasn t the intent of the Lemon Law (TX in this case) but considering filing a complaint regardless. This car still has misaligned door panels and the local SC has dropped a window on the rear quarter denting it and removing paint (still not repaired). Am I wasting my time with this complaint and should I look into some sort of class action lawsuit? PM me if you re in the same boat. | Tesla really needs to get their shit together... | You have a limited amount of time to sign the no arbitration document. It s part of your purchase contract and I encourage you to sign and send that in if you still can. | 109 | 13 | 8,241 |
mavo0x | 1,315 | Phantom braking on I-90 in southern Wisconsin at overpasses and off-ramps. Immediately decelerates from 75 mph to 55. This is insanely dangerous and I m scared to use this car on highways now. I have no idea why phantom braking is so hard to solve for this car but it s just so incredibly unsafe and will cause major accidents. I ve had a Model 3 for about 10 months. My old car is a 2018 Honda CRV. The CRV s cruise control works great other than following way too far behind another car but it has never had phantom braking issues. The 2 times I ve driven my Model 3 on the interstate since the pandemic started I had multiple instances of abrupt and jarring phantom braking always near overpasses or off-ramps. It went from 75 to 55 and scared the hell out of me and my girlfriend. It s not okay. I want to talk to Tesla about this. Has there been improvements in software? Do I need to hard-reboot the car to get the new updates to fully sink in? What can I do to minimize this? | The speed limit map data may be off in that area or it may detect that overpass as an object so you may want to test it out by going slower and expect a phantom break or bug report that to tesla. | What speed limit settings do you have set when using the TACC? | 282 | 12 | 8,242 |
mavo0x | 1,315 | Phantom braking on I-90 in southern Wisconsin at overpasses and off-ramps. Immediately decelerates from 75 mph to 55. This is insanely dangerous and I m scared to use this car on highways now. I have no idea why phantom braking is so hard to solve for this car but it s just so incredibly unsafe and will cause major accidents. I ve had a Model 3 for about 10 months. My old car is a 2018 Honda CRV. The CRV s cruise control works great other than following way too far behind another car but it has never had phantom braking issues. The 2 times I ve driven my Model 3 on the interstate since the pandemic started I had multiple instances of abrupt and jarring phantom braking always near overpasses or off-ramps. It went from 75 to 55 and scared the hell out of me and my girlfriend. It s not okay. I want to talk to Tesla about this. Has there been improvements in software? Do I need to hard-reboot the car to get the new updates to fully sink in? What can I do to minimize this? | The speed limit map data may be off in that area or it may detect that overpass as an object so you may want to test it out by going slower and expect a phantom break or bug report that to tesla. | The CRV is probably much too lenient because it isn t seen as a self driving system. If a Tesla crashes into something obvious on autopilot people will blame autopilot but with a CRV it s obviously seen as user error. A Tesla s top priority is to not hit something. With that being said I don t know why Tesla hasn t solved this. Probably because they have committed to the new self driving framework and are assuming that will solve it. It doesn t help us in the now though and we probably won t see benefits from it for another half a year. Personally I have had this happen to me 3 times in the year and 20k miles I have owned it but each of those three times was awful. I consider myself lucky. One thing you can do is try calibrating the autopilot cameras. I think there s a setting for that under safety and security (?). I had to do this when I got the FSD preview last year and haven t had it happen since. | 282 | 14 | 8,243 |
mavo0x | 1,315 | Phantom braking on I-90 in southern Wisconsin at overpasses and off-ramps. Immediately decelerates from 75 mph to 55. This is insanely dangerous and I m scared to use this car on highways now. I have no idea why phantom braking is so hard to solve for this car but it s just so incredibly unsafe and will cause major accidents. I ve had a Model 3 for about 10 months. My old car is a 2018 Honda CRV. The CRV s cruise control works great other than following way too far behind another car but it has never had phantom braking issues. The 2 times I ve driven my Model 3 on the interstate since the pandemic started I had multiple instances of abrupt and jarring phantom braking always near overpasses or off-ramps. It went from 75 to 55 and scared the hell out of me and my girlfriend. It s not okay. I want to talk to Tesla about this. Has there been improvements in software? Do I need to hard-reboot the car to get the new updates to fully sink in? What can I do to minimize this? | The speed limit map data may be off in that area or it may detect that overpass as an object so you may want to test it out by going slower and expect a phantom break or bug report that to tesla. | Must be an error in a specific area. I ve not have phantom braking in a long time. Some times with overpasses it thinks it s on the frontage road. I have seen those issues in certain areas where it slows down to the frontage road speed. Not a hard stomp just a gradual slow down. Makes me thing the speeds are based of GPS. Not sure. | 282 | 40 | 8,244 |
mb6c7w | 30 | Would the current FSD software be able to complete the autonomy day demo drive without interventions? Based on the current delays and some errors I ve seen autopilot make in some of the FSD beta videos that are coming out now I m questioning if that no intervention drive was completely legitimate. Possibly some geofencing and preamp ping? It would be super neat if someone with FSD would try to replicate it and see what happens. | You re referring to this drive yes? https: www.youtube.com watch?v=tlThdr3O5Qo One tricky part about replicating this route is that the begin end points are the same so the tester would have to manually enter the equivalent of waypoints (lolz remember when we were going to get that?) and juggle them during the trip. Rewatching it again I don t think there is anything appreciably difficult in the 2019 FSD demo route that isn t well video-documented from various YouTubers on the FSD beta today. There are 2-4(ish) unprotected left hand turns (depending on how you classify them) a few traffic lights and stop signs and highway driving. While it s possible they shot multiple takes for this video there were ride-alongs after the autonomy day presentation with various folks (who were under NDA I believe) so it s not like this was total smoke and mirrors like the original FSD demo from 2016 which was purported to be largely smoke and mirrors. | Really no way to know. | 28 | 2 | 8,245 |
mbetme | 388 | Serious: What is Tesla s exposure if FSD doesn t make it to owner s hands? This might not be the right forum but I m curious if anyone has done a semi-academic study of the legal and financial exposure to Tesla and perhaps Elon himself if the FSD continues to push? I understand that is a complicated question because Tesla itself isn t overly forthcoming and the reasons for pushing could vary wildly from bugs to government intervention. I m often chastised by other owners for taking a serious rather than optimistic view on the company but it seems to me that the FSD presales constitute a contractual obligation for a specific set of features and that at some point the failure to deliver on those promises is a breach of contract subject to not just refunds but perhaps penalties and other legal action. I bring this up because I ve spent the last two days in heated debate over Ford s vaporware comment with others in the community that take a more optimistic (perhaps apologetic) view point and it concerns me deeply that the ongoing delays are no longer just a customer service issue and matter of irritation for those of us early adopters but perhaps a very real liability and risk to the company. It also seems like an opportunity for competitors (I m thinking more GM than Ford) to sling mud and make it stick putting brand trustworthiness in the market in jeopardy. I welcome all honest and thoughtful comments. Thank you. & #x200B Updates: I m updating here rather than inline to provide additional questions in an easy to find location. Update 1: I ve seen a lot of arguments here and other places that Tesla has no exposure legally due to the purchase contract wording. I assert this is patently false. While Elon s public comments don t have the same legal weight as original contracts as head of the company he has legal obligations to conduct himself as an honest representative of the company in both a marketing and a shareholder fiduciary level (read shareholder legal action not buyer). Second it is well documented that the original ordering forms (I m thinking in the 2019 time frame) included very specific verbiage about both the capabilities of FSD and the time frame for delivery. You can quibble about the what part of that but not the when. While there is no specific timeline on the contracts the fact that the software is not transferable actually works against them legally because there is established law that puts limits on open-ended obligations (I m looking into the exact statutes). To my way of thinking the limits here are changes of ownership and the reasonable service life of the vehicle. Tesla could perhaps render this moot by allowing transfers. Regarding the financial liability it seems that it has been established that Tesla does carry the full value of the sales as a future liability on the books but that just means they acknowledge it as a risk not that the money is actually escrowed somewhere to pay it. I don t think the actual numbers here are public knowledge (prove me wrong if you can find this) but it seems like it would be a large and potentially impactful number if it had to actually be produced. Update 2: There is a lot of opinion about the legal impact of the webpage contract and Elon s tweets. To date I can t say that anyone has actually backed that up with credentials or case law. If you have that I request you provided it. If its just your lay-person legal opinion let s not create contention by debating non-expert opinion. Update 3: There have been some well-considered arguments that the way that Tesla is handing the bookkeeping on this potentially gives them SOME cover on level of financial exposure to buyers should the product not be brought to market complete. I m investigating the specifics of that but legally there maybe merit. The level of cover seems highly depending on the court s interpretation of completeness and if they feel partial delivery is sufficient or if this is an all or nothing situation (Can they give you a 90% refund if they provided you with tires and a seat or is the deemed a useless and therefore zero-value delivery?). It has also been noted that there has been a bit of talk lately about the potential involvement of regulators in two aspects: First it is reasonable to think that regulators at state and federal levels both could stomp on deliveries at just about any time. Second there is inconsistency in the way the product is being marketed the way the contracts read and the way it is being described to regulators. This adds credibility to the fraud false advertising angle. Update 4: Pivotal Marketing (A major Tesla short seller) has recently released an updated video outlining a large portion of what we ve been talking about here the last few days. I argue that it is deliberately slanted and alarmist but it does accurately portray the timeline and arguments contained in this thread and other places. [https: video.wixstatic.com video 0f8144\\_05596eb1024349519ba4844bad70183b 1080p mp4 file.mp4](https: video.wixstatic.com video 0f8144_05596eb1024349519ba4844bad70183b 1080p mp4 file.mp4) & #x200B & #x200B | A big fat class action. Tesla s disclaimers don t protect them from legal action especially given Elon s tweets. | When you buy FSD the purchase terms clearly note that no future or implied functionality is included and you re only buying the features already out. | 172 | 9 | 8,246 |
mbetme | 388 | Serious: What is Tesla s exposure if FSD doesn t make it to owner s hands? This might not be the right forum but I m curious if anyone has done a semi-academic study of the legal and financial exposure to Tesla and perhaps Elon himself if the FSD continues to push? I understand that is a complicated question because Tesla itself isn t overly forthcoming and the reasons for pushing could vary wildly from bugs to government intervention. I m often chastised by other owners for taking a serious rather than optimistic view on the company but it seems to me that the FSD presales constitute a contractual obligation for a specific set of features and that at some point the failure to deliver on those promises is a breach of contract subject to not just refunds but perhaps penalties and other legal action. I bring this up because I ve spent the last two days in heated debate over Ford s vaporware comment with others in the community that take a more optimistic (perhaps apologetic) view point and it concerns me deeply that the ongoing delays are no longer just a customer service issue and matter of irritation for those of us early adopters but perhaps a very real liability and risk to the company. It also seems like an opportunity for competitors (I m thinking more GM than Ford) to sling mud and make it stick putting brand trustworthiness in the market in jeopardy. I welcome all honest and thoughtful comments. Thank you. & #x200B Updates: I m updating here rather than inline to provide additional questions in an easy to find location. Update 1: I ve seen a lot of arguments here and other places that Tesla has no exposure legally due to the purchase contract wording. I assert this is patently false. While Elon s public comments don t have the same legal weight as original contracts as head of the company he has legal obligations to conduct himself as an honest representative of the company in both a marketing and a shareholder fiduciary level (read shareholder legal action not buyer). Second it is well documented that the original ordering forms (I m thinking in the 2019 time frame) included very specific verbiage about both the capabilities of FSD and the time frame for delivery. You can quibble about the what part of that but not the when. While there is no specific timeline on the contracts the fact that the software is not transferable actually works against them legally because there is established law that puts limits on open-ended obligations (I m looking into the exact statutes). To my way of thinking the limits here are changes of ownership and the reasonable service life of the vehicle. Tesla could perhaps render this moot by allowing transfers. Regarding the financial liability it seems that it has been established that Tesla does carry the full value of the sales as a future liability on the books but that just means they acknowledge it as a risk not that the money is actually escrowed somewhere to pay it. I don t think the actual numbers here are public knowledge (prove me wrong if you can find this) but it seems like it would be a large and potentially impactful number if it had to actually be produced. Update 2: There is a lot of opinion about the legal impact of the webpage contract and Elon s tweets. To date I can t say that anyone has actually backed that up with credentials or case law. If you have that I request you provided it. If its just your lay-person legal opinion let s not create contention by debating non-expert opinion. Update 3: There have been some well-considered arguments that the way that Tesla is handing the bookkeeping on this potentially gives them SOME cover on level of financial exposure to buyers should the product not be brought to market complete. I m investigating the specifics of that but legally there maybe merit. The level of cover seems highly depending on the court s interpretation of completeness and if they feel partial delivery is sufficient or if this is an all or nothing situation (Can they give you a 90% refund if they provided you with tires and a seat or is the deemed a useless and therefore zero-value delivery?). It has also been noted that there has been a bit of talk lately about the potential involvement of regulators in two aspects: First it is reasonable to think that regulators at state and federal levels both could stomp on deliveries at just about any time. Second there is inconsistency in the way the product is being marketed the way the contracts read and the way it is being described to regulators. This adds credibility to the fraud false advertising angle. Update 4: Pivotal Marketing (A major Tesla short seller) has recently released an updated video outlining a large portion of what we ve been talking about here the last few days. I argue that it is deliberately slanted and alarmist but it does accurately portray the timeline and arguments contained in this thread and other places. [https: video.wixstatic.com video 0f8144\\_05596eb1024349519ba4844bad70183b 1080p mp4 file.mp4](https: video.wixstatic.com video 0f8144_05596eb1024349519ba4844bad70183b 1080p mp4 file.mp4) & #x200B & #x200B | I think a lot of us are talking past each other. I m not hearing anyone suggest Tesla would be likely to *lose* a case like this so all the talk about their disclaimers and theoretical ways out are kind of irrelevant. The question is whether or not they can be taken to court in the first place and the answer is surely an emphatic *yes* provided someone can organize the money and a capable legal team. I don t doubt Tesla could marshal the resources to ultimately defend themselves against just about any claim or at least outlast their challengers. But that really isn t the point. Just bringing this FSD racket to light in a messy public trial sounds to me like a long overdue corrective measure for Elon s increasingly delusional agitprop approach to Twitter and their bizarre pricing scheme in which a technology that s years away keeps rising in cost today. And if it scares future Tesla owners away from wasting an enormous chunk of the car s sticker price on the most overpriced feature this side of a Rolls Royce invoice that s worth it to me. I just want to see some cold water dumped on the smug unearned certainty that washes over Elon whenever he talks about this topic. We all need a reality check sometimes and I think that moment has arrived for him. I love Tesla cars and I m very excited about our self-driving future. I just know it s not going to be *truly* ready any time soon and I m tired of a company that otherwise does great things reaping thousands of dollars from their own customers simply because they gave a charismatic CEO the benefit of the doubt. I hate seeing people get ripped off and that s all this is at this point. | I don t think there s much exposure and I ll explain why. Tesla has never said (from what I ve seen) that FSD = SAE defined Level 5. They make statements such as It will drive you from home to work and other descriptive but vague comments. Based on the YouTubes out there we can see that in many circumstances this is true. Is it true for every trip for every tester? No but they never really commit to that. I don t see any contract per se - just this last weekend I drove a 210 mile round trip. The car drove about 208 miles of it (I do have FSD but not the beta). That s pretty damn close to FSD. When I get the beta it could have done the door-to-door. I d call that FSD even though in the winter time with no lane markings it wouldn t work. So they delivered on FSD even though it s not usable 100% of the time. As for financial if their auditors determine that FSD is not met then they ll have an impaired asset and have to right down the value of the IP and write off some of their research costs. But because they never committed to a timeline or well-defined feature set nor executed a signed contract with customers specifically delineating all this I don t think there s much risk. They can always say We re working on it and we plan to deliver it . They do show continual progress so it s hard to argue with those statements. | 125 | 8 | 8,247 |
mbetme | 388 | Serious: What is Tesla s exposure if FSD doesn t make it to owner s hands? This might not be the right forum but I m curious if anyone has done a semi-academic study of the legal and financial exposure to Tesla and perhaps Elon himself if the FSD continues to push? I understand that is a complicated question because Tesla itself isn t overly forthcoming and the reasons for pushing could vary wildly from bugs to government intervention. I m often chastised by other owners for taking a serious rather than optimistic view on the company but it seems to me that the FSD presales constitute a contractual obligation for a specific set of features and that at some point the failure to deliver on those promises is a breach of contract subject to not just refunds but perhaps penalties and other legal action. I bring this up because I ve spent the last two days in heated debate over Ford s vaporware comment with others in the community that take a more optimistic (perhaps apologetic) view point and it concerns me deeply that the ongoing delays are no longer just a customer service issue and matter of irritation for those of us early adopters but perhaps a very real liability and risk to the company. It also seems like an opportunity for competitors (I m thinking more GM than Ford) to sling mud and make it stick putting brand trustworthiness in the market in jeopardy. I welcome all honest and thoughtful comments. Thank you. & #x200B Updates: I m updating here rather than inline to provide additional questions in an easy to find location. Update 1: I ve seen a lot of arguments here and other places that Tesla has no exposure legally due to the purchase contract wording. I assert this is patently false. While Elon s public comments don t have the same legal weight as original contracts as head of the company he has legal obligations to conduct himself as an honest representative of the company in both a marketing and a shareholder fiduciary level (read shareholder legal action not buyer). Second it is well documented that the original ordering forms (I m thinking in the 2019 time frame) included very specific verbiage about both the capabilities of FSD and the time frame for delivery. You can quibble about the what part of that but not the when. While there is no specific timeline on the contracts the fact that the software is not transferable actually works against them legally because there is established law that puts limits on open-ended obligations (I m looking into the exact statutes). To my way of thinking the limits here are changes of ownership and the reasonable service life of the vehicle. Tesla could perhaps render this moot by allowing transfers. Regarding the financial liability it seems that it has been established that Tesla does carry the full value of the sales as a future liability on the books but that just means they acknowledge it as a risk not that the money is actually escrowed somewhere to pay it. I don t think the actual numbers here are public knowledge (prove me wrong if you can find this) but it seems like it would be a large and potentially impactful number if it had to actually be produced. Update 2: There is a lot of opinion about the legal impact of the webpage contract and Elon s tweets. To date I can t say that anyone has actually backed that up with credentials or case law. If you have that I request you provided it. If its just your lay-person legal opinion let s not create contention by debating non-expert opinion. Update 3: There have been some well-considered arguments that the way that Tesla is handing the bookkeeping on this potentially gives them SOME cover on level of financial exposure to buyers should the product not be brought to market complete. I m investigating the specifics of that but legally there maybe merit. The level of cover seems highly depending on the court s interpretation of completeness and if they feel partial delivery is sufficient or if this is an all or nothing situation (Can they give you a 90% refund if they provided you with tires and a seat or is the deemed a useless and therefore zero-value delivery?). It has also been noted that there has been a bit of talk lately about the potential involvement of regulators in two aspects: First it is reasonable to think that regulators at state and federal levels both could stomp on deliveries at just about any time. Second there is inconsistency in the way the product is being marketed the way the contracts read and the way it is being described to regulators. This adds credibility to the fraud false advertising angle. Update 4: Pivotal Marketing (A major Tesla short seller) has recently released an updated video outlining a large portion of what we ve been talking about here the last few days. I argue that it is deliberately slanted and alarmist but it does accurately portray the timeline and arguments contained in this thread and other places. [https: video.wixstatic.com video 0f8144\\_05596eb1024349519ba4844bad70183b 1080p mp4 file.mp4](https: video.wixstatic.com video 0f8144_05596eb1024349519ba4844bad70183b 1080p mp4 file.mp4) & #x200B & #x200B | I think a lot of us are talking past each other. I m not hearing anyone suggest Tesla would be likely to *lose* a case like this so all the talk about their disclaimers and theoretical ways out are kind of irrelevant. The question is whether or not they can be taken to court in the first place and the answer is surely an emphatic *yes* provided someone can organize the money and a capable legal team. I don t doubt Tesla could marshal the resources to ultimately defend themselves against just about any claim or at least outlast their challengers. But that really isn t the point. Just bringing this FSD racket to light in a messy public trial sounds to me like a long overdue corrective measure for Elon s increasingly delusional agitprop approach to Twitter and their bizarre pricing scheme in which a technology that s years away keeps rising in cost today. And if it scares future Tesla owners away from wasting an enormous chunk of the car s sticker price on the most overpriced feature this side of a Rolls Royce invoice that s worth it to me. I just want to see some cold water dumped on the smug unearned certainty that washes over Elon whenever he talks about this topic. We all need a reality check sometimes and I think that moment has arrived for him. I love Tesla cars and I m very excited about our self-driving future. I just know it s not going to be *truly* ready any time soon and I m tired of a company that otherwise does great things reaping thousands of dollars from their own customers simply because they gave a charismatic CEO the benefit of the doubt. I hate seeing people get ripped off and that s all this is at this point. | When you buy FSD the purchase terms clearly note that no future or implied functionality is included and you re only buying the features already out. | 125 | 9 | 8,248 |
mbm0ee | 55 | Question: What can the Tesla Model 3 do without the Full Self Driving option? It s $10 000 but I heard it s not worth it. So what does the FSD package contain and what is the model 3 like without it? What would I be missing out on? Are the features that are included with the full self driving package worth it? I haven t really been able to find any meaningful information about it. | https: www.tesla.com support autopilot The features under Autopilot are included with a new Tesla. The features under Full Self Driving Capability are only included if you buy the $10k package. Personally the thing I wish I had the most was changing lanes on the highway without disabling and re-engaging Autosteer. But I don t wish it enough to pay $10k. | All the safety features if you have autopilot it does traffic aware cruise control and lane keeping.. If you have enhanced autopilot then you have everything FSD offers right now minus traffic light and stop sign detection. If you have FSD you will get actual city full self driving later. | 118 | 2 | 8,249 |
mbm0ee | 55 | Question: What can the Tesla Model 3 do without the Full Self Driving option? It s $10 000 but I heard it s not worth it. So what does the FSD package contain and what is the model 3 like without it? What would I be missing out on? Are the features that are included with the full self driving package worth it? I haven t really been able to find any meaningful information about it. | https: www.tesla.com support autopilot The features under Autopilot are included with a new Tesla. The features under Full Self Driving Capability are only included if you buy the $10k package. Personally the thing I wish I had the most was changing lanes on the highway without disabling and re-engaging Autosteer. But I don t wish it enough to pay $10k. | Does it come with summon? | 118 | 3 | 8,250 |
mbm0ee | 55 | Question: What can the Tesla Model 3 do without the Full Self Driving option? It s $10 000 but I heard it s not worth it. So what does the FSD package contain and what is the model 3 like without it? What would I be missing out on? Are the features that are included with the full self driving package worth it? I haven t really been able to find any meaningful information about it. | https: www.tesla.com support autopilot The features under Autopilot are included with a new Tesla. The features under Full Self Driving Capability are only included if you buy the $10k package. Personally the thing I wish I had the most was changing lanes on the highway without disabling and re-engaging Autosteer. But I don t wish it enough to pay $10k. | Mainly just active cruise control with the added ability to follow the bends on freeways. Awesome one pedal driving and a decent list of driver safety features. I dont need or want my car to drive me or find me in a parking lot. | 118 | 15 | 8,251 |
mcif19 | 1,220 | This might be the rarest Tesla Roadster in existence—except the one that Elon shot into space of course! May we present the LAST Tesla Roadster ever produced signed by Elon Musk himself. For sale now at: [https: findmyelectric.com listings 2011-roadster-2-5-sport-30659 ](https: findmyelectric.com listings 2011-roadster-2-5-sport-30659 ) [2011 Roadster 2.5 Sport](https: preview.redd.it fkhh2v3iw1p61.jpg?width=1600& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=ed0cc48638f48f41dc91c6a4e29126187178d4c6) [Only 2 800 original miles](https: preview.redd.it rtdypm6kw1p61.jpg?width=1251& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=e63f265aa8dd7b09b0037d6578de49199f8af191) [Elon Musk s signature engraved on the dashboard](https: preview.redd.it qp1d1punw1p61.jpg?width=1600& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=c92fb33027a208ed614620c918d168fd3c07610d) & #x200B [Certificate of Authenticity \\\\ Last Roadster of Standard Production for North America\\\\ ](https: preview.redd.it kgpz0ydjc3p61.jpg?width=1600& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=834871337bd61b29e28ac5801f560cb06cd63d42) [Original Purchase Agreement signed by Elon Musk](https: preview.redd.it 0lccbow1t3p61.jpg?width=900& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=414fd5fae0413282bf088fcc463b51f271e994f9) Edit: added black bar over the seller s name on the Certificate of Authenticity to respect his privacy after some Redditors unblurred his name. Thank you. Edit2: also added a black bar over the blurred seller name on the Purchase Agreement. | Missed opportunity to say “The rarest Tesla Roadster *on Earth*” | All early roadsters are just as rare as another. | 768 | 3 | 8,252 |
mcif19 | 1,220 | This might be the rarest Tesla Roadster in existence—except the one that Elon shot into space of course! May we present the LAST Tesla Roadster ever produced signed by Elon Musk himself. For sale now at: [https: findmyelectric.com listings 2011-roadster-2-5-sport-30659 ](https: findmyelectric.com listings 2011-roadster-2-5-sport-30659 ) [2011 Roadster 2.5 Sport](https: preview.redd.it fkhh2v3iw1p61.jpg?width=1600& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=ed0cc48638f48f41dc91c6a4e29126187178d4c6) [Only 2 800 original miles](https: preview.redd.it rtdypm6kw1p61.jpg?width=1251& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=e63f265aa8dd7b09b0037d6578de49199f8af191) [Elon Musk s signature engraved on the dashboard](https: preview.redd.it qp1d1punw1p61.jpg?width=1600& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=c92fb33027a208ed614620c918d168fd3c07610d) & #x200B [Certificate of Authenticity \\\\ Last Roadster of Standard Production for North America\\\\ ](https: preview.redd.it kgpz0ydjc3p61.jpg?width=1600& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=834871337bd61b29e28ac5801f560cb06cd63d42) [Original Purchase Agreement signed by Elon Musk](https: preview.redd.it 0lccbow1t3p61.jpg?width=900& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=414fd5fae0413282bf088fcc463b51f271e994f9) Edit: added black bar over the seller s name on the Certificate of Authenticity to respect his privacy after some Redditors unblurred his name. Thank you. Edit2: also added a black bar over the blurred seller name on the Purchase Agreement. | Missed opportunity to say “The rarest Tesla Roadster *on Earth*” | Gruber Motorsport did a video about this car. | 768 | 5 | 8,253 |
mcif19 | 1,220 | This might be the rarest Tesla Roadster in existence—except the one that Elon shot into space of course! May we present the LAST Tesla Roadster ever produced signed by Elon Musk himself. For sale now at: [https: findmyelectric.com listings 2011-roadster-2-5-sport-30659 ](https: findmyelectric.com listings 2011-roadster-2-5-sport-30659 ) [2011 Roadster 2.5 Sport](https: preview.redd.it fkhh2v3iw1p61.jpg?width=1600& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=ed0cc48638f48f41dc91c6a4e29126187178d4c6) [Only 2 800 original miles](https: preview.redd.it rtdypm6kw1p61.jpg?width=1251& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=e63f265aa8dd7b09b0037d6578de49199f8af191) [Elon Musk s signature engraved on the dashboard](https: preview.redd.it qp1d1punw1p61.jpg?width=1600& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=c92fb33027a208ed614620c918d168fd3c07610d) & #x200B [Certificate of Authenticity \\\\ Last Roadster of Standard Production for North America\\\\ ](https: preview.redd.it kgpz0ydjc3p61.jpg?width=1600& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=834871337bd61b29e28ac5801f560cb06cd63d42) [Original Purchase Agreement signed by Elon Musk](https: preview.redd.it 0lccbow1t3p61.jpg?width=900& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=414fd5fae0413282bf088fcc463b51f271e994f9) Edit: added black bar over the seller s name on the Certificate of Authenticity to respect his privacy after some Redditors unblurred his name. Thank you. Edit2: also added a black bar over the blurred seller name on the Purchase Agreement. | Missed opportunity to say “The rarest Tesla Roadster *on Earth*” | \\#ad | 768 | 37 | 8,254 |
mdeq0v | 93 | Would you buy a Tesla if you couldn t charge at home? As the title suggests I am interested in buying a Tesla but I don t have access to a charger at home. We also currently have very few public chargers in my area and the ones I do see are almost always full. I would however have access to a charger at my parents house which is only a few minutes away. I don t drive a lot because I work from home 95% of the time so I don t know how often I would need to charge. Would you still buy a Tesla in my situation? Edit: Thank You all for the replies thus far! It is pretty apparent throughout this thread that it is probably not the best time for me to purchase a Tesla. Everytime a Tesla passes me I ll be looking over in envy and excitement that one day it will make sense to buy one. | Absolutely not. Lived without a charger for a bit and it was brutal. Having home charging is key. | Nope. I have only used a super charger once in 14 months and it is pretty inconvenient. Using it while traveling is OK but if I had to go to a super charger all the time I wouldn t drive the car. I switched so I wouldn t have to go to gas stations anymore why would I want to go to super chargers for 5 to 10 times as long? | 196 | 25 | 8,255 |
mdeq0v | 93 | Would you buy a Tesla if you couldn t charge at home? As the title suggests I am interested in buying a Tesla but I don t have access to a charger at home. We also currently have very few public chargers in my area and the ones I do see are almost always full. I would however have access to a charger at my parents house which is only a few minutes away. I don t drive a lot because I work from home 95% of the time so I don t know how often I would need to charge. Would you still buy a Tesla in my situation? Edit: Thank You all for the replies thus far! It is pretty apparent throughout this thread that it is probably not the best time for me to purchase a Tesla. Everytime a Tesla passes me I ll be looking over in envy and excitement that one day it will make sense to buy one. | Absolutely not. Lived without a charger for a bit and it was brutal. Having home charging is key. | I would not. It s one of my favorite things always having enough energy to get to work and back without thinking about it. I bought mine last March though and had I known I would be working from home for a year I might have waited to spend 70 grand on a car. | 196 | 45 | 8,256 |
mdeq0v | 93 | Would you buy a Tesla if you couldn t charge at home? As the title suggests I am interested in buying a Tesla but I don t have access to a charger at home. We also currently have very few public chargers in my area and the ones I do see are almost always full. I would however have access to a charger at my parents house which is only a few minutes away. I don t drive a lot because I work from home 95% of the time so I don t know how often I would need to charge. Would you still buy a Tesla in my situation? Edit: Thank You all for the replies thus far! It is pretty apparent throughout this thread that it is probably not the best time for me to purchase a Tesla. Everytime a Tesla passes me I ll be looking over in envy and excitement that one day it will make sense to buy one. | No. Not a chance. I wouldn t consider it at all. The huge waste of time and inconvenience would have me regretting the decision every single day. | It might be doable if your daily milage is really that low and if your parent s house is a walkable distance. In your case even being able to charge off 110V at your home might be a reasonable. The other thing to consider is how often you drive. If you drive once a week then your situation might be fine. If on the other hand the other 5% is long trips on consecutive days then lack of home charging becomes more of an issue. | 127 | 2 | 8,257 |
mdwxlb | 295 | 2 charged with murder... were arrested after they couldn t start a Tesla they tried to carjack [https: www.chicagotribune.com news breaking ct-bridgeview-secretary-of-state-office-murder-charges-20210326-dqhoeglxvbg4vby7tpbqe67o5y-story.html](https: www.chicagotribune.com news breaking ct-bridgeview-secretary-of-state-office-murder-charges-20210326-dqhoeglxvbg4vby7tpbqe67o5y-story.html) | This is obviously a traumatic experience and this is a ridiculous and impractical suggestion I m making but imagine running away across the lot and then while they re sitting there trying to figure it out you start summoning them around the lot. | In a case like this is the car taken as evidence or what? I ve never really thought about that until now. | 84 | 4 | 8,258 |
mdwxlb | 295 | 2 charged with murder... were arrested after they couldn t start a Tesla they tried to carjack [https: www.chicagotribune.com news breaking ct-bridgeview-secretary-of-state-office-murder-charges-20210326-dqhoeglxvbg4vby7tpbqe67o5y-story.html](https: www.chicagotribune.com news breaking ct-bridgeview-secretary-of-state-office-murder-charges-20210326-dqhoeglxvbg4vby7tpbqe67o5y-story.html) | Hudson approached and pointed a firearm at a Tesla owner who was showing his car off to a friend. haha I laughed at this part. which one of us hasn t shown off our Tesla to a friend. worst time to get carjacked! | In a case like this is the car taken as evidence or what? I ve never really thought about that until now. | 83 | 4 | 8,259 |
mdwxlb | 295 | 2 charged with murder... were arrested after they couldn t start a Tesla they tried to carjack [https: www.chicagotribune.com news breaking ct-bridgeview-secretary-of-state-office-murder-charges-20210326-dqhoeglxvbg4vby7tpbqe67o5y-story.html](https: www.chicagotribune.com news breaking ct-bridgeview-secretary-of-state-office-murder-charges-20210326-dqhoeglxvbg4vby7tpbqe67o5y-story.html) | Hudson approached and pointed a firearm at a Tesla owner who was showing his car off to a friend. haha I laughed at this part. which one of us hasn t shown off our Tesla to a friend. worst time to get carjacked! | Someone stole a car from the bowling alley near me but they ran out of gas a couple hundred feet up the street. | 83 | 8 | 8,260 |
mdyahp | 61 | Planning a cross country trip in a model 3 SR+ Am I crazy? Me my wife and our 16 year old son. This summer: leaving DC heading for Seattle then down the coast to San Diego on to the grand canyon and back to DC. I know the brochure says the SR+ can go 240 miles between charges - perhaps downhill with a tail wind. In the real world with three people and gear I m thinking 160 is a more practical range. Are there enough superchargers along the way? Has anyone done this? Pretty soon our son may be too old for such things so this may be our big chance! | > Am I crazy? Me my wife and our 16 year old son Yes but the car has nothing to do with it. There s near-zero chance I d voluntarily do a cross-country drive with more than one other person. | 150-160 is your highway range. Success depends on the patience of your passengers. We sold or SR+ and pick up a LR Y Tuesday specifically because of road trip impatience. | 43 | 17 | 8,261 |
mfltkd | 63 | Heating efficiency Reading the Model 3 manual it says: “Use seat heaters to keep warm. Seat heaters use less energy than the cabin heater. Lowering the cabin temperature and using seat heaters will reduce energy consumption “ Does anyone know if this is still the case now that 2021 has a heat pump? | Heat pump uses minimum 700 watts seat heater about 50. If the seat heater keeps you from raising the heat as high you save energy. | 2020 Model 3 LR AWD here living in Denver (we had our fourth worst snowfall ever two weeks ago). 15 minutes before a drive I preheat with the cabin set to 22C 68F and the driver s seat set to two out of three bars. It is very comfy. I agree with the manual both on energy spent and comfort. Reading all of the issues with heat pumps (early failures noises etc.) I would review those and see what works best for you. | 101 | 7 | 8,262 |
mfltkd | 63 | Heating efficiency Reading the Model 3 manual it says: “Use seat heaters to keep warm. Seat heaters use less energy than the cabin heater. Lowering the cabin temperature and using seat heaters will reduce energy consumption “ Does anyone know if this is still the case now that 2021 has a heat pump? | Heat pump uses minimum 700 watts seat heater about 50. If the seat heater keeps you from raising the heat as high you save energy. | Yes seat heaters are still more efficient than the heat pump. Heating the entire cabin will always take more energy compared to the relatively small area the seat heater works on. | 101 | 27 | 8,263 |
mfo40d | 252 | Anyone else have long distance commute and Supercharge 5-6 times per week? How s your battery doing? I drive about 600 miles per week and it requires me to charge several times per week at supercharging stations. Sometimes I charge because it s convenient even though my battery is still about 60%. First charge of the week is to 90-100%. Anyone else do this and notice any serious loss in battery capacity? Is this something I should worry about? 2018M3LR Dual Motor. Thanks! Edit: Thanks everyone for the tips advice and general conversation. I thought I had a situation very normal to a lot of people but I m realizing it is less common after reading some of these comments (but still relevant to others). I have done quite a bit of research on my own but even still so many of you have great advice. I won t hesitate when posting again. | Generally not recommended for the obvious reasons but look up Tesloop and their battery degradation. They run a taxi service from CA to Las Vegas and have only been supercharging their cars. Some are over 200K miles. | Based on stats and based on Tesla Elon you will be fine with your supercharging use. As others stated between about 10-90% is good. | 192 | 10 | 8,264 |
mfo40d | 252 | Anyone else have long distance commute and Supercharge 5-6 times per week? How s your battery doing? I drive about 600 miles per week and it requires me to charge several times per week at supercharging stations. Sometimes I charge because it s convenient even though my battery is still about 60%. First charge of the week is to 90-100%. Anyone else do this and notice any serious loss in battery capacity? Is this something I should worry about? 2018M3LR Dual Motor. Thanks! Edit: Thanks everyone for the tips advice and general conversation. I thought I had a situation very normal to a lot of people but I m realizing it is less common after reading some of these comments (but still relevant to others). I have done quite a bit of research on my own but even still so many of you have great advice. I won t hesitate when posting again. | Generally not recommended for the obvious reasons but look up Tesloop and their battery degradation. They run a taxi service from CA to Las Vegas and have only been supercharging their cars. Some are over 200K miles. | Are you charging at night every night or only at Super Chargers? I mean 120 miles a day is well within the 240 or so limit at a 85% daily charge. | 192 | 12 | 8,265 |
mfo40d | 252 | Anyone else have long distance commute and Supercharge 5-6 times per week? How s your battery doing? I drive about 600 miles per week and it requires me to charge several times per week at supercharging stations. Sometimes I charge because it s convenient even though my battery is still about 60%. First charge of the week is to 90-100%. Anyone else do this and notice any serious loss in battery capacity? Is this something I should worry about? 2018M3LR Dual Motor. Thanks! Edit: Thanks everyone for the tips advice and general conversation. I thought I had a situation very normal to a lot of people but I m realizing it is less common after reading some of these comments (but still relevant to others). I have done quite a bit of research on my own but even still so many of you have great advice. I won t hesitate when posting again. | Generally not recommended for the obvious reasons but look up Tesloop and their battery degradation. They run a taxi service from CA to Las Vegas and have only been supercharging their cars. Some are over 200K miles. | I have only a clue and that is for the battery degradation perspective I d try to keep the battery charged between 10(15?)-90% as much ass possible in your case and not outside those limits unless necessary. However charging up at 60% is not bad from what i know however it s much slower compared to Supercharging when down tp e.g. 20% and below. | 192 | 30 | 8,266 |
mfti0y | 37 | 2021.4.12 limited regen in WARM weather? So this updated was supposed to improve COLD weather functionality which is great. The problem is I m having REDUCED functionality in WARM weather. Today for example our low temp last night was 45F. This morning the battery on my M3 LR was charged to 85%. I preconditioned the cabin for 20 minutes and the battery preheat icon went out on the app. Leaving home and getting on the freeway I had full regen. My commute includes 15 miles of freeway 10 miles flat then 2.5 miles down a 7% grade. Halfway down the grade I got the regen reduced message. It reduced to the point where there was \\*just\\* enough regen to maintain speed on the grade. For the remainder of the 2.5 miles I had very little regen and had to use the foot brake to take my off ramp. It was 60F outside during this drive so this is NOT a cold weather issue nor was this an issue prior to 2021.4.12. What s the deal? Is anyone else experiencing this? | Accounting for aero drag and rolling resistance a Model 3 in neutral [is slippery enough](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments iws58g model_3_factfinding_an_endtoend_efficiency ) that it will coast down a hill at -1.3% slope at 20 mph. 2.5 miles down a 7% grade at say 65 mph is a vertical drop rate of 6.6 feet per second which for a mass the size of a Model 3 and driver means shedding of potential energy at a rate of 38 kW. That amount of sustained regen may have been tolerable in the past but with the [changes to the available regen algorithm](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments m8iyau tesla_model_y_2021412_update_more_cold_weather ) that now take into account past driving chances are this now is more of a limiting factor when going down long steep hills. | I found this out yesterday at 4PM in TX with 80F weather outside. Went out to pick up dinner from a place half hour away and had no regen almost all the way there. | 76 | 2 | 8,267 |
mfti0y | 37 | 2021.4.12 limited regen in WARM weather? So this updated was supposed to improve COLD weather functionality which is great. The problem is I m having REDUCED functionality in WARM weather. Today for example our low temp last night was 45F. This morning the battery on my M3 LR was charged to 85%. I preconditioned the cabin for 20 minutes and the battery preheat icon went out on the app. Leaving home and getting on the freeway I had full regen. My commute includes 15 miles of freeway 10 miles flat then 2.5 miles down a 7% grade. Halfway down the grade I got the regen reduced message. It reduced to the point where there was \\*just\\* enough regen to maintain speed on the grade. For the remainder of the 2.5 miles I had very little regen and had to use the foot brake to take my off ramp. It was 60F outside during this drive so this is NOT a cold weather issue nor was this an issue prior to 2021.4.12. What s the deal? Is anyone else experiencing this? | Accounting for aero drag and rolling resistance a Model 3 in neutral [is slippery enough](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments iws58g model_3_factfinding_an_endtoend_efficiency ) that it will coast down a hill at -1.3% slope at 20 mph. 2.5 miles down a 7% grade at say 65 mph is a vertical drop rate of 6.6 feet per second which for a mass the size of a Model 3 and driver means shedding of potential energy at a rate of 38 kW. That amount of sustained regen may have been tolerable in the past but with the [changes to the available regen algorithm](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments m8iyau tesla_model_y_2021412_update_more_cold_weather ) that now take into account past driving chances are this now is more of a limiting factor when going down long steep hills. | It seems like Tesla will never be able to offer one pedal driving....... It s a shame that the driving experience is differentiere dependig on the temp. We have a ‘15 70D and a Kona. The Kona has no problem with regen and therefore my daughter hates driving the Tesla in cold weather. | 76 | 2 | 8,268 |
mfti0y | 37 | 2021.4.12 limited regen in WARM weather? So this updated was supposed to improve COLD weather functionality which is great. The problem is I m having REDUCED functionality in WARM weather. Today for example our low temp last night was 45F. This morning the battery on my M3 LR was charged to 85%. I preconditioned the cabin for 20 minutes and the battery preheat icon went out on the app. Leaving home and getting on the freeway I had full regen. My commute includes 15 miles of freeway 10 miles flat then 2.5 miles down a 7% grade. Halfway down the grade I got the regen reduced message. It reduced to the point where there was \\*just\\* enough regen to maintain speed on the grade. For the remainder of the 2.5 miles I had very little regen and had to use the foot brake to take my off ramp. It was 60F outside during this drive so this is NOT a cold weather issue nor was this an issue prior to 2021.4.12. What s the deal? Is anyone else experiencing this? | Accounting for aero drag and rolling resistance a Model 3 in neutral [is slippery enough](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments iws58g model_3_factfinding_an_endtoend_efficiency ) that it will coast down a hill at -1.3% slope at 20 mph. 2.5 miles down a 7% grade at say 65 mph is a vertical drop rate of 6.6 feet per second which for a mass the size of a Model 3 and driver means shedding of potential energy at a rate of 38 kW. That amount of sustained regen may have been tolerable in the past but with the [changes to the available regen algorithm](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments m8iyau tesla_model_y_2021412_update_more_cold_weather ) that now take into account past driving chances are this now is more of a limiting factor when going down long steep hills. | Experienced this yesterday with temps in the upper 60s F. There was no indication of reduced regeneration but it was clearly evident by the handling of my X. Eventually regenerative braking performed as “normal” after a bit of driving. | 76 | 5 | 8,269 |
mgisys | 34 | Will Software Updates Happen Under LTE - with Premium Connectivity? It has been often stated on these and other boards that if you have Tesla Premium Connectivity eventually your software will update while on LTE. I live in NYC and park in a commercial garage. It has 8 Tesla Level 2 chargers (included in the monthly price) which makes that part of my life easy but no WiFi. I purchased a Verizon Jetpack and keep it in the center console and use it only for software updates - here is why. Before my Jetpack I never received an update under LTE - I have premium connectivity. I once let the car sit for a month after the update showed available to see if it would download. It did not until I connected to my phone s WiFi hotspot (and then it did immediately). Has anyone actually ever experienced the car downloading a software update under its built in LTE? Or is this people just repeating an untruth? UPDATE: After a lot of interesting comments. This is my takeaway of when people are getting updates over LTE: 1. If you are significantly out of date (you keep rejecting updates for example) 2. If you are having issues an SC can push an update over LTE 3. Having Premium Connectivity does not seem to be a factor in any push 4. Before 2019 Tesla did this regularly but stopped around then 5. There are random reports of updates (someone who has just taken ownership of a Tesla) 6. If you are not on WiFi you will be towards the back of the queue in terms of getting notified that there is an update available | They will only push software updates over LTE under limited conditions historically when there is a safety defect being addressed and or important safety related functionality being added. Service can push updates over LTE manually if they have an absolute need but this is avoided. There have also been rumors of people receiving updates over LTE after being on an old version and avoiding updates purposefully. Tesla did recently add the capability (currently unused publicly) to the cars to update over USB according to greentheonly (a software engineer that reverse engineers and publishes quite a bit of Tesla stuff.) This may be a thing eventually but it s likely just to allow mobile service to bring a software update with them to the field where the customer may not have WiFi. | Looks like it changed sometime in 2019. Unfortunate reality with Tesla changing things updating so often is that the information floating around the internet gets outdated real quick. [https: forums.tesla.com discussion 163569 tesla-no-longer-providing-ota-lte-software-updates](https: forums.tesla.com discussion 163569 tesla-no-longer-providing-ota-lte-software-updates) | 42 | 3 | 8,270 |
mh8yl2 | 278 | Warning to new Model 3 and Y owners: My new MY was stolen yesterday night and could ve been avoided TL DR If you sleep within 30 ft of your Tesla turn off passive entry (for S and X only) remove your phone as a key (for 3 and Y) and or require a PIN to drive. I live in an apartment in San Francisco and my week-old Model Y was parked underneath me in our open parking bay. **In the Model 3 and Model Y passive entry is enabled by default without the option to disable** (I have now learned). I worried that my phone s proximity to the car may be close enough that it could be unlocked while sleeping but after testing it the car was indeed locked when I went down without my phone. I tried Sentry mode the first night with the car but saw that it was set off 100 times without anyone near the car. So that used significant battery and I have to use superchargers while living here so decided to keep Sentry Mode off after that first night. Well the hunch was right. Yesterday night someone was able to get into the car even though I d locked it from the app the night before. They were able to drive it almost a mile away. **Apparently Teslas can continue driving without a key card or phone inside the car so long as it s initially unlocked with the phone nearby.** When the car was parked again they couldn t put it in drive again since it was outside the phone s proximity. Thankfully they must not have known that and didn t make it far before putting the car in park. I got a call from the police yesterday afternoon that my car was sitting in the middle of a lane a mile away. I didn t even know it was missing because I hadn t left the apartment yesterday morning. They kindly gave me a lift to the car filed the police report and left me on my way after confirming nothing had been stolen - it would appear the thief didn t know how to open the glovebox (**now I m thankful the glovebox can t be opened manually when that bothered me at first**). Somehow the two Profiles I d set up in the car had been deleted and there was just a default Valet Mode profile left. Perhaps the thief tried factory resetting the car? The first Tesla support rep I talked to was nice but unhelpful unfortunately. They didn t have answers to any of my questions. Thankfully the second support rep was more knowledgeable and helpful. They let me know that your phone can unlock the car with passive entry within 30 ft while the key card that uses RFID can only be used when pressed up against the driver door (so no need to worry about the proximity of the key cards while sleeping). For some reason [only the Model S and X allow disabling passive entry with your phone](https: www.tesla.com support car-safety-security-features) so my only real option while living in this San Francisco apartment is to disable mobile access (unless I wanted to remember to turn off bluetooth every night). The security alarm is enabled by default but that didn t go off since the car thought I was the one driving. What s most concerning to me is that I didn t get any notification from my Tesla app that the car had been stolen (makes sense because I m not sure what event could trigger a notification in this case but still concerning). \\*Edit: Great suggestions about removing your phone as a key instead of removing mobile access just updated that. Also the car seems to be fine thank you for asking! Service team is coming tomorrow to determine whether it s an issue with just my 2021 Model Y. \\*\\*Edit 2: Here s a video showing my 2021 Model Y automatically unlocking due to phone proximity: https: reddit.com link mh8yl2 video dd878ycf7fq61 player | That s...rather odd. I have to be within a foot of one of the BLE antennas for my 3 to unlock via the phone key. | What about turning off Bluetooth while at home? I mean not the greatest. Maybe use an iPad for all your Bluetooth items in the house. Glad you got it back tho.. I would take it for a detail because I would feel violated.... | 185 | 5 | 8,271 |
mh8yl2 | 278 | Warning to new Model 3 and Y owners: My new MY was stolen yesterday night and could ve been avoided TL DR If you sleep within 30 ft of your Tesla turn off passive entry (for S and X only) remove your phone as a key (for 3 and Y) and or require a PIN to drive. I live in an apartment in San Francisco and my week-old Model Y was parked underneath me in our open parking bay. **In the Model 3 and Model Y passive entry is enabled by default without the option to disable** (I have now learned). I worried that my phone s proximity to the car may be close enough that it could be unlocked while sleeping but after testing it the car was indeed locked when I went down without my phone. I tried Sentry mode the first night with the car but saw that it was set off 100 times without anyone near the car. So that used significant battery and I have to use superchargers while living here so decided to keep Sentry Mode off after that first night. Well the hunch was right. Yesterday night someone was able to get into the car even though I d locked it from the app the night before. They were able to drive it almost a mile away. **Apparently Teslas can continue driving without a key card or phone inside the car so long as it s initially unlocked with the phone nearby.** When the car was parked again they couldn t put it in drive again since it was outside the phone s proximity. Thankfully they must not have known that and didn t make it far before putting the car in park. I got a call from the police yesterday afternoon that my car was sitting in the middle of a lane a mile away. I didn t even know it was missing because I hadn t left the apartment yesterday morning. They kindly gave me a lift to the car filed the police report and left me on my way after confirming nothing had been stolen - it would appear the thief didn t know how to open the glovebox (**now I m thankful the glovebox can t be opened manually when that bothered me at first**). Somehow the two Profiles I d set up in the car had been deleted and there was just a default Valet Mode profile left. Perhaps the thief tried factory resetting the car? The first Tesla support rep I talked to was nice but unhelpful unfortunately. They didn t have answers to any of my questions. Thankfully the second support rep was more knowledgeable and helpful. They let me know that your phone can unlock the car with passive entry within 30 ft while the key card that uses RFID can only be used when pressed up against the driver door (so no need to worry about the proximity of the key cards while sleeping). For some reason [only the Model S and X allow disabling passive entry with your phone](https: www.tesla.com support car-safety-security-features) so my only real option while living in this San Francisco apartment is to disable mobile access (unless I wanted to remember to turn off bluetooth every night). The security alarm is enabled by default but that didn t go off since the car thought I was the one driving. What s most concerning to me is that I didn t get any notification from my Tesla app that the car had been stolen (makes sense because I m not sure what event could trigger a notification in this case but still concerning). \\*Edit: Great suggestions about removing your phone as a key instead of removing mobile access just updated that. Also the car seems to be fine thank you for asking! Service team is coming tomorrow to determine whether it s an issue with just my 2021 Model Y. \\*\\*Edit 2: Here s a video showing my 2021 Model Y automatically unlocking due to phone proximity: https: reddit.com link mh8yl2 video dd878ycf7fq61 player | That s...rather odd. I have to be within a foot of one of the BLE antennas for my 3 to unlock via the phone key. | 1st and most importantly: Glad you got it back without it being all screwed up. 2nd: San Francisco continues to be terrible and I can t figure out why people live there on purpose. I m genuinely shocked the police did anything other than give you a ticket for improper parking. | 185 | 41 | 8,272 |
mh8yl2 | 278 | Warning to new Model 3 and Y owners: My new MY was stolen yesterday night and could ve been avoided TL DR If you sleep within 30 ft of your Tesla turn off passive entry (for S and X only) remove your phone as a key (for 3 and Y) and or require a PIN to drive. I live in an apartment in San Francisco and my week-old Model Y was parked underneath me in our open parking bay. **In the Model 3 and Model Y passive entry is enabled by default without the option to disable** (I have now learned). I worried that my phone s proximity to the car may be close enough that it could be unlocked while sleeping but after testing it the car was indeed locked when I went down without my phone. I tried Sentry mode the first night with the car but saw that it was set off 100 times without anyone near the car. So that used significant battery and I have to use superchargers while living here so decided to keep Sentry Mode off after that first night. Well the hunch was right. Yesterday night someone was able to get into the car even though I d locked it from the app the night before. They were able to drive it almost a mile away. **Apparently Teslas can continue driving without a key card or phone inside the car so long as it s initially unlocked with the phone nearby.** When the car was parked again they couldn t put it in drive again since it was outside the phone s proximity. Thankfully they must not have known that and didn t make it far before putting the car in park. I got a call from the police yesterday afternoon that my car was sitting in the middle of a lane a mile away. I didn t even know it was missing because I hadn t left the apartment yesterday morning. They kindly gave me a lift to the car filed the police report and left me on my way after confirming nothing had been stolen - it would appear the thief didn t know how to open the glovebox (**now I m thankful the glovebox can t be opened manually when that bothered me at first**). Somehow the two Profiles I d set up in the car had been deleted and there was just a default Valet Mode profile left. Perhaps the thief tried factory resetting the car? The first Tesla support rep I talked to was nice but unhelpful unfortunately. They didn t have answers to any of my questions. Thankfully the second support rep was more knowledgeable and helpful. They let me know that your phone can unlock the car with passive entry within 30 ft while the key card that uses RFID can only be used when pressed up against the driver door (so no need to worry about the proximity of the key cards while sleeping). For some reason [only the Model S and X allow disabling passive entry with your phone](https: www.tesla.com support car-safety-security-features) so my only real option while living in this San Francisco apartment is to disable mobile access (unless I wanted to remember to turn off bluetooth every night). The security alarm is enabled by default but that didn t go off since the car thought I was the one driving. What s most concerning to me is that I didn t get any notification from my Tesla app that the car had been stolen (makes sense because I m not sure what event could trigger a notification in this case but still concerning). \\*Edit: Great suggestions about removing your phone as a key instead of removing mobile access just updated that. Also the car seems to be fine thank you for asking! Service team is coming tomorrow to determine whether it s an issue with just my 2021 Model Y. \\*\\*Edit 2: Here s a video showing my 2021 Model Y automatically unlocking due to phone proximity: https: reddit.com link mh8yl2 video dd878ycf7fq61 player | I have PIN to Drive activated just in case i leave my phone in the car or someone gets access to the key card. | What about turning off Bluetooth while at home? I mean not the greatest. Maybe use an iPad for all your Bluetooth items in the house. Glad you got it back tho.. I would take it for a detail because I would feel violated.... | 89 | 5 | 8,273 |
mhjwhz | 27 | Two Tesla household- one or two wall connectors? We have a 3 and a newly purchased Y. Both husband and I have 40 mile daily commutes. Prior to getting the Y he was fine by just using the mobile charger for his 3. Now we are debating whether we should install one or two wall connectors. Cost is about $1000 difference. Would love to hear what other people think. Thanks! | Almost 3.5 years as a 2 Tesla household and we have never needed more than a single UMC and a NEMA 15-40 to keep both cars adequately charged. | We have one charger at home for two Tesla s and it s completely fine — we don t need to charge both cars every day. | 35 | 3 | 8,274 |
mhjwhz | 27 | Two Tesla household- one or two wall connectors? We have a 3 and a newly purchased Y. Both husband and I have 40 mile daily commutes. Prior to getting the Y he was fine by just using the mobile charger for his 3. Now we are debating whether we should install one or two wall connectors. Cost is about $1000 difference. Would love to hear what other people think. Thanks! | Almost 3.5 years as a 2 Tesla household and we have never needed more than a single UMC and a NEMA 15-40 to keep both cars adequately charged. | Just one. I overdid it and installed two side by side one with the short cord and the other with the long. And it was totally unnecessary. | 35 | 7 | 8,275 |
mhlewz | 43 | 2020 Model X Ride Quality Just wondering how the ride quality of 2020 model X compares to the likes of BMW X5 or the Porsche Cayenne. Is the ride smoother than those? Or do you feel the road surface roughness? Also has the build quality improved in terms of feeling a bit more sturdy and even luxurious compared to the previous years? | I test drove the exact set before buying my 2020 Model X. Some observations you might find useful: - The ICE cars have a lot of concentrated weight in the front and it shows vs the Model X. I found the Model X rides a lot smoother because of the weight distribution vs the Cayenne and X5. - The air suspension is pretty competitive with the X5 and the Cayenne. I do think that the Cayenne handles small bumps better at lower speeds on the softest setting but honestly you would not notice it all that much if no one pointed it out to you. - I prefer the Model X on highway speeds. It seems to manage road imperfections better than the other two at 65-75 miles per hour. About your second question about build quality - this might be a car specific thing but my car is pretty well built. No issues there. It does not seem as luxurious as the X5 or the Cayenne in terms of materials but feels way more luxurious in terms of the infotainment system driving experience and how it handles on curvy roads with sports settings on the suspension. I went in to test drive the Cayenne and the X5 with a very positive outlook I missed the German build after my previous Mercedes E class. But once you get used to a car with electric propulsion and the Tesla tech it s just super hard to go back to a traditional ICE. In an ideal world I would want to get the materials and feel from the Cayenne with the rest of the drivetrain and tech from the Model X but like I said earlier the choice was pretty clear to me. A little like not being able to go back to a blackberry or a Nokia phone after using an iPhone - if you are old enough to remember that :P | Model X offers very smooth ride thanks to air suspension. Very comparable to BMW. | 54 | 4 | 8,276 |
mivkr0 | 186 | Why all the Tesla hate online? I seriously don t understand people. A publication comes out about Tesla s 1Q production and every Tom dick and Harry has to comment online about how much they hate Tesla s. 5 year olds are mining lithium naked Electricity to charge is generated with coal The batteries combust The batteries have to be replaced every 3 years costing you thousands. Is there some kind of doublespeak disinformation program out there trying to keep people from understanding anything about EV s? I m just amazed at what people post online... | 2 parts jealousy 1 part ignorance 1 part tribalism | Money. It is the icon of destroying whole industries. Plus it s cool to do. | 210 | 22 | 8,277 |
mivkr0 | 186 | Why all the Tesla hate online? I seriously don t understand people. A publication comes out about Tesla s 1Q production and every Tom dick and Harry has to comment online about how much they hate Tesla s. 5 year olds are mining lithium naked Electricity to charge is generated with coal The batteries combust The batteries have to be replaced every 3 years costing you thousands. Is there some kind of doublespeak disinformation program out there trying to keep people from understanding anything about EV s? I m just amazed at what people post online... | 2 parts jealousy 1 part ignorance 1 part tribalism | Because of the expense of cars many people form their identities around a brand or model of car they purchase(fan bases). Tesla s are a big middle finger to what these people thought a car should be so these people view Tesla s as a big middle finger to them so natural reaction is just to flip your middle finger back at Tesla. Certain people don t want to know the truth they just want an excuse to say fuck Tesla ignorance is bliss for them and most won t listen to facts. | 210 | 34 | 8,278 |
mivkr0 | 186 | Why all the Tesla hate online? I seriously don t understand people. A publication comes out about Tesla s 1Q production and every Tom dick and Harry has to comment online about how much they hate Tesla s. 5 year olds are mining lithium naked Electricity to charge is generated with coal The batteries combust The batteries have to be replaced every 3 years costing you thousands. Is there some kind of doublespeak disinformation program out there trying to keep people from understanding anything about EV s? I m just amazed at what people post online... | 2 parts jealousy 1 part ignorance 1 part tribalism | Legacy car companies have worked to spread disinformation and kill the EV since cars first came out. There s a documentary about it: “Who Killed the Electric Car” (2006) | 210 | 50 | 8,279 |
mj9eb4 | 76 | Just bought my first Tesla It s a performance model 3 black exterior with white interior. I ve got 2 questions: Firstly my estimated expected date was a range of 1-10 weeks. After making the order the time frame changed to 8-10 weeks and then yesterday morning it switched to 3-5 weeks. In your experiences how was this waiting period and how often did the dates change? Secondly how noticeable is the 0-60 acceleration difference between a model 3 long range (4.2) and the model 3 performance (3.1 if I m not mistaken). I ve spent a dozen-ish hours in a long range model and I m curious as to how much more intense 1+ second difference will be. Thanks | It s a big difference. The LR is fun and you can feel the torque but the performance is definitely noticeably more! It s addicting | I just bought an SR+ this week and my date was in middle May until I bought what they had on the lot. The website didn t tell me my date after the initial 1-14 weeks so my sales associated had to tell me which is why I switched. | 63 | 2 | 8,280 |
mj9eb4 | 76 | Just bought my first Tesla It s a performance model 3 black exterior with white interior. I ve got 2 questions: Firstly my estimated expected date was a range of 1-10 weeks. After making the order the time frame changed to 8-10 weeks and then yesterday morning it switched to 3-5 weeks. In your experiences how was this waiting period and how often did the dates change? Secondly how noticeable is the 0-60 acceleration difference between a model 3 long range (4.2) and the model 3 performance (3.1 if I m not mistaken). I ve spent a dozen-ish hours in a long range model and I m curious as to how much more intense 1+ second difference will be. Thanks | Go join the M3 Performance Waiting Room forum over on TeslaMotorsClub. [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads refreshed-%E2%80%9C2021%E2%80%9D-model-3-performance-waiting-room.210361 ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads refreshed-%E2%80%9C2021%E2%80%9D-model-3-performance-waiting-room.210361 ) 1. Expect an excruciating wait. Expect those estimated time ranges to change on an almost daily basis. Expect your estimated delivery date to disappear completely during the wait. 2. Apparently the production lines do car trim levels and even interior and exterior colors in batches. Also european vs. domestic versions are done in different batches. US and Canada performance models generally come at the end of quarter which you just missed. So expect your car in June most likely. 3. Use this time to research and buy any aftermarket products you might want. Consider getting paint protection film if long term appearance is important to you OR if you live in a location that gets snow. 4. Having 240 volt charging at home is almost a must. 120 volt charging (normal US outlet) is do-able but not ideal. I charge from a 240 v 30 amp stub from an unused dryer outlet. Even though its not more standard 50 amps its just fine. 5. The performance is an absolute rocket - unlike anything I ve ever ridden in let alone was able to own. I have an unnatural love affair with the vehicle. 6. Welcome to the club | I just bought an SR+ this week and my date was in middle May until I bought what they had on the lot. The website didn t tell me my date after the initial 1-14 weeks so my sales associated had to tell me which is why I switched. | 40 | 2 | 8,281 |
mj9eb4 | 76 | Just bought my first Tesla It s a performance model 3 black exterior with white interior. I ve got 2 questions: Firstly my estimated expected date was a range of 1-10 weeks. After making the order the time frame changed to 8-10 weeks and then yesterday morning it switched to 3-5 weeks. In your experiences how was this waiting period and how often did the dates change? Secondly how noticeable is the 0-60 acceleration difference between a model 3 long range (4.2) and the model 3 performance (3.1 if I m not mistaken). I ve spent a dozen-ish hours in a long range model and I m curious as to how much more intense 1+ second difference will be. Thanks | Go join the M3 Performance Waiting Room forum over on TeslaMotorsClub. [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads refreshed-%E2%80%9C2021%E2%80%9D-model-3-performance-waiting-room.210361 ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads refreshed-%E2%80%9C2021%E2%80%9D-model-3-performance-waiting-room.210361 ) 1. Expect an excruciating wait. Expect those estimated time ranges to change on an almost daily basis. Expect your estimated delivery date to disappear completely during the wait. 2. Apparently the production lines do car trim levels and even interior and exterior colors in batches. Also european vs. domestic versions are done in different batches. US and Canada performance models generally come at the end of quarter which you just missed. So expect your car in June most likely. 3. Use this time to research and buy any aftermarket products you might want. Consider getting paint protection film if long term appearance is important to you OR if you live in a location that gets snow. 4. Having 240 volt charging at home is almost a must. 120 volt charging (normal US outlet) is do-able but not ideal. I charge from a 240 v 30 amp stub from an unused dryer outlet. Even though its not more standard 50 amps its just fine. 5. The performance is an absolute rocket - unlike anything I ve ever ridden in let alone was able to own. I have an unnatural love affair with the vehicle. 6. Welcome to the club | I ordered M3SRP on Thursday and have a June 5-30th delivery. Congrats to you!!! I added FSD but man the P s are just a lot of fun!! | 40 | 3 | 8,282 |
mjh9qd | 109 | Do Tesla owners wave at each other?! So in the UK Tesla s are becoming more popular but still rare enough they stand out on the road from other cars. So it would be a little strange with a Ford. There s plenty of them! But do you guys wave at each other or at least acknowledge somehow or say hello in car parks supercharging areas. Always wondered!! A Tesla fan! | With both hands | I do yes. | 378 | 13 | 8,283 |
mjh9qd | 109 | Do Tesla owners wave at each other?! So in the UK Tesla s are becoming more popular but still rare enough they stand out on the road from other cars. So it would be a little strange with a Ford. There s plenty of them! But do you guys wave at each other or at least acknowledge somehow or say hello in car parks supercharging areas. Always wondered!! A Tesla fan! | Tesla owner usually wave to each other and sometimes have sexual intercourses with each other during supercharging period | I wave some people wave back. | 146 | 2 | 8,284 |
mjh9qd | 109 | Do Tesla owners wave at each other?! So in the UK Tesla s are becoming more popular but still rare enough they stand out on the road from other cars. So it would be a little strange with a Ford. There s plenty of them! But do you guys wave at each other or at least acknowledge somehow or say hello in car parks supercharging areas. Always wondered!! A Tesla fan! | Tesla owner usually wave to each other and sometimes have sexual intercourses with each other during supercharging period | I do in Nashville TN. About 30% of the time I ll get a wave back or brights flash | 146 | 2 | 8,285 |
mjhclc | 38 | Tesla EV batteries are wired in groups of 74 cells in parallel so how are individual cells monitored? How are individual cells monitored if they have 74 cells in parallel 6 in series per module? Can the BMS do anything about individual cells? And how will the 4680 cells be wired does anyone know? I hope this post won t get removed it s technical but doesn t break any rules and is as much about Tesla (the company) as any other question about the cars or battery products. Tesla is an energy company first and foremost. | They aren t. The BMS only really cares about the parallel cells as a whole. No single cell can charge higher than the group as a whole and if a single cell shorts internally it will burn out that cells fuse and remove it from the parallel group. The only risk is discharging below that of the parallel group but that s less risk than overcharging. | My understanding is that BMS has knowledge of each battery health. The only way that is possible is by monitoring each cell. | 49 | 4 | 8,286 |
mjhclc | 38 | Tesla EV batteries are wired in groups of 74 cells in parallel so how are individual cells monitored? How are individual cells monitored if they have 74 cells in parallel 6 in series per module? Can the BMS do anything about individual cells? And how will the 4680 cells be wired does anyone know? I hope this post won t get removed it s technical but doesn t break any rules and is as much about Tesla (the company) as any other question about the cars or battery products. Tesla is an energy company first and foremost. | ITT: VW GM battery engineer doing their homework lol ^( s) | I love technical discussions like this :) | 35 | 2 | 8,287 |
mjhclc | 38 | Tesla EV batteries are wired in groups of 74 cells in parallel so how are individual cells monitored? How are individual cells monitored if they have 74 cells in parallel 6 in series per module? Can the BMS do anything about individual cells? And how will the 4680 cells be wired does anyone know? I hope this post won t get removed it s technical but doesn t break any rules and is as much about Tesla (the company) as any other question about the cars or battery products. Tesla is an energy company first and foremost. | ITT: VW GM battery engineer doing their homework lol ^( s) | My understanding is that BMS has knowledge of each battery health. The only way that is possible is by monitoring each cell. | 35 | 4 | 8,288 |
mjk8vu | 119 | 3 Months of FSD just expired. How was it? Hey everyone! Just wanted to post my experience with FSD while I was able to use the 3 free months since I picked up my car on December 30th. I just wanted to use this post to document my experiences and figure out if it s something I would consider purchasing in the future. I know many more updates will be pushed as time goes on but this is just how it was for me for the past 3 months. Let s begin with the things I pretty much didn t even use and work up from there. I ll be leaving the standard Autopilot out of this list because every Tesla comes with it. If Autopilot didn t come with the car I d be buying FSD all the way just for that alone. **Auto-Park:** It sounds very convenient but I didn t get the option to use it as intended once. What I mean by that is the only time I ever got the option come up to use it was when there was a sidewalk connected to a driveway and I was pulled into the driveway. It pretty much thought the sidewalk was a parking spot. It is what it is but I wish I could ve at least seen this feature once. I pulled up to spots to parallel park spots where there was a gap even normal parking spots in between two cars but nothing ever popped up for me to initiate autopark. **Navigate on Autopilot:** This one I was particularly excited to try out. Unfortunately though the first couple experiences I ve had with it weren t very good. I drive on highways that don t have a whole lot of people on it even at their busiest. I think the 2nd time I used it it initiated the turn signal to get back into the right lane while I was only a couple feet in front of a semi which made the semi driver freak out a tad : After that I just didn t feel too comfortable using it to automatically pass cars. It s nice to see what the future holds for fully autonomous driving but that experience was just a little too crazy for me to try it and rely on it more. **Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control:** This is one thing people really liked seeing my car do when I would give them rides. There s not much else to it. The car did a fantastic job on figuring out where to stop and was always reliable. **Summon:** Ohhhh Summon. How easy it was to just push a button on my phone and make adjustments to how far forward or back I was. This is one I ll really miss because I don t actually have an auto garage door opener. This is another feature people got a kick out of. *EDIT* \\- Not sure how I forgot to mention smart summon! Smart summon was a very cool thing to show off but it really wasn t working as well as I had hoped. It was easier for me to just walk to the car more than anything. The car was always confused if there was something in the way and never went very fast. I didn t even attempt using it in an actual parking lot for fear of being more in the way of other vehicles. Cool feature and I hope to see it mature more as software updates pass but I would never use it for any other reason than just showing off my car driving itself across an empty parking lot. **Auto-Lane Change:** Hands down my favorite feature. It really doesn t take much to change lanes myself but the fact that all I had to do for the past 3 months was put my turn signal on and the car would just kind of... do it... absolutely astonishing. My monkey brain is easy to impress. **Overall:** Jeez. They really make it hard to NOT want to buy it. Given the price tag of the FSD and the car already I m not sure. I would love to one day have my car drive itself but realistically it already pretty much does everything I need it to. Autopilot handles very nicely on any road with lanes and does a great job at keeping the distance of the car in front. It s actually saved me a couple times. Really though if I could find a way to conjure up $10k I m in. | A tip for those losing auto lane change - if your car doesn t have auto lane change you can effortlessly take over the wheel while on AP by turning on your turn signal and then turning that direction. If your turn signal is on the car will not fight you when you take over and cruise control will stay on for a very smooth lane change. You can then reactivate auto steer. | FYI occasionally Tesla has given short-term offers for Enhanced Autopilot which has everything on your list except Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control. Might be worth considering if it becomes available again. | 146 | 3 | 8,289 |
mjk8vu | 119 | 3 Months of FSD just expired. How was it? Hey everyone! Just wanted to post my experience with FSD while I was able to use the 3 free months since I picked up my car on December 30th. I just wanted to use this post to document my experiences and figure out if it s something I would consider purchasing in the future. I know many more updates will be pushed as time goes on but this is just how it was for me for the past 3 months. Let s begin with the things I pretty much didn t even use and work up from there. I ll be leaving the standard Autopilot out of this list because every Tesla comes with it. If Autopilot didn t come with the car I d be buying FSD all the way just for that alone. **Auto-Park:** It sounds very convenient but I didn t get the option to use it as intended once. What I mean by that is the only time I ever got the option come up to use it was when there was a sidewalk connected to a driveway and I was pulled into the driveway. It pretty much thought the sidewalk was a parking spot. It is what it is but I wish I could ve at least seen this feature once. I pulled up to spots to parallel park spots where there was a gap even normal parking spots in between two cars but nothing ever popped up for me to initiate autopark. **Navigate on Autopilot:** This one I was particularly excited to try out. Unfortunately though the first couple experiences I ve had with it weren t very good. I drive on highways that don t have a whole lot of people on it even at their busiest. I think the 2nd time I used it it initiated the turn signal to get back into the right lane while I was only a couple feet in front of a semi which made the semi driver freak out a tad : After that I just didn t feel too comfortable using it to automatically pass cars. It s nice to see what the future holds for fully autonomous driving but that experience was just a little too crazy for me to try it and rely on it more. **Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control:** This is one thing people really liked seeing my car do when I would give them rides. There s not much else to it. The car did a fantastic job on figuring out where to stop and was always reliable. **Summon:** Ohhhh Summon. How easy it was to just push a button on my phone and make adjustments to how far forward or back I was. This is one I ll really miss because I don t actually have an auto garage door opener. This is another feature people got a kick out of. *EDIT* \\- Not sure how I forgot to mention smart summon! Smart summon was a very cool thing to show off but it really wasn t working as well as I had hoped. It was easier for me to just walk to the car more than anything. The car was always confused if there was something in the way and never went very fast. I didn t even attempt using it in an actual parking lot for fear of being more in the way of other vehicles. Cool feature and I hope to see it mature more as software updates pass but I would never use it for any other reason than just showing off my car driving itself across an empty parking lot. **Auto-Lane Change:** Hands down my favorite feature. It really doesn t take much to change lanes myself but the fact that all I had to do for the past 3 months was put my turn signal on and the car would just kind of... do it... absolutely astonishing. My monkey brain is easy to impress. **Overall:** Jeez. They really make it hard to NOT want to buy it. Given the price tag of the FSD and the car already I m not sure. I would love to one day have my car drive itself but realistically it already pretty much does everything I need it to. Autopilot handles very nicely on any road with lanes and does a great job at keeping the distance of the car in front. It s actually saved me a couple times. Really though if I could find a way to conjure up $10k I m in. | A tip for those losing auto lane change - if your car doesn t have auto lane change you can effortlessly take over the wheel while on AP by turning on your turn signal and then turning that direction. If your turn signal is on the car will not fight you when you take over and cruise control will stay on for a very smooth lane change. You can then reactivate auto steer. | Smart summon? | 146 | 3 | 8,290 |
mjk8vu | 119 | 3 Months of FSD just expired. How was it? Hey everyone! Just wanted to post my experience with FSD while I was able to use the 3 free months since I picked up my car on December 30th. I just wanted to use this post to document my experiences and figure out if it s something I would consider purchasing in the future. I know many more updates will be pushed as time goes on but this is just how it was for me for the past 3 months. Let s begin with the things I pretty much didn t even use and work up from there. I ll be leaving the standard Autopilot out of this list because every Tesla comes with it. If Autopilot didn t come with the car I d be buying FSD all the way just for that alone. **Auto-Park:** It sounds very convenient but I didn t get the option to use it as intended once. What I mean by that is the only time I ever got the option come up to use it was when there was a sidewalk connected to a driveway and I was pulled into the driveway. It pretty much thought the sidewalk was a parking spot. It is what it is but I wish I could ve at least seen this feature once. I pulled up to spots to parallel park spots where there was a gap even normal parking spots in between two cars but nothing ever popped up for me to initiate autopark. **Navigate on Autopilot:** This one I was particularly excited to try out. Unfortunately though the first couple experiences I ve had with it weren t very good. I drive on highways that don t have a whole lot of people on it even at their busiest. I think the 2nd time I used it it initiated the turn signal to get back into the right lane while I was only a couple feet in front of a semi which made the semi driver freak out a tad : After that I just didn t feel too comfortable using it to automatically pass cars. It s nice to see what the future holds for fully autonomous driving but that experience was just a little too crazy for me to try it and rely on it more. **Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control:** This is one thing people really liked seeing my car do when I would give them rides. There s not much else to it. The car did a fantastic job on figuring out where to stop and was always reliable. **Summon:** Ohhhh Summon. How easy it was to just push a button on my phone and make adjustments to how far forward or back I was. This is one I ll really miss because I don t actually have an auto garage door opener. This is another feature people got a kick out of. *EDIT* \\- Not sure how I forgot to mention smart summon! Smart summon was a very cool thing to show off but it really wasn t working as well as I had hoped. It was easier for me to just walk to the car more than anything. The car was always confused if there was something in the way and never went very fast. I didn t even attempt using it in an actual parking lot for fear of being more in the way of other vehicles. Cool feature and I hope to see it mature more as software updates pass but I would never use it for any other reason than just showing off my car driving itself across an empty parking lot. **Auto-Lane Change:** Hands down my favorite feature. It really doesn t take much to change lanes myself but the fact that all I had to do for the past 3 months was put my turn signal on and the car would just kind of... do it... absolutely astonishing. My monkey brain is easy to impress. **Overall:** Jeez. They really make it hard to NOT want to buy it. Given the price tag of the FSD and the car already I m not sure. I would love to one day have my car drive itself but realistically it already pretty much does everything I need it to. Autopilot handles very nicely on any road with lanes and does a great job at keeping the distance of the car in front. It s actually saved me a couple times. Really though if I could find a way to conjure up $10k I m in. | A tip for those losing auto lane change - if your car doesn t have auto lane change you can effortlessly take over the wheel while on AP by turning on your turn signal and then turning that direction. If your turn signal is on the car will not fight you when you take over and cruise control will stay on for a very smooth lane change. You can then reactivate auto steer. | Did you have the nav on autopilot set to mad max? It aggressively changes lanes at that level on the highway. | 146 | 6 | 8,291 |
mk533h | 143 | Does the new facelift Model S comes with a heat pump? I went through most of the info available about the 21 refresh S but couldn t really find anything about improvements to climate control other than cooled seats. I mean it would make sense since right now even the 3s are upgraded to come with a heat pump which would definitely be an improvement in semi-cold regions | End of year earnings call. Elon said whole lineup will have heat pump | When it was announced during the Q1 earnings report Musk said that all Teslas now have heat pumps. | 185 | 38 | 8,292 |
mkqg23 | 220 | Tesla Body Repair Hell [https: imgur.com gallery DDXprB3](https: imgur.com gallery DDXprB3) So on Feb 18th I got into a collision at an intersection leaving the front left of my car pretty bent in but not an insane amount of damage. Took it to the Tesla Body Repair shop in Denver and they took it in saying they would give me a quote by next Monday February 22nd. Tuesday Feb 23rd rolls around and they tell me they submitted the quote to my insurance (Tesla Insurance) for approval and that they ordered the parts. Expect to have it here for several weeks. Tuesday March 2nd comes they update me saying the parts have been painted and they re just waiting on two small clips for the front bumper that should arrive in the next couple days. Thursday March 4th they update saying the clips haven t arrived yet and should arrive by Monday with the car back together by Monday afternoon. Tuesday March 9th they update me saying paint actually took longer than expected for the apron and door the clips had just arrived and to expect it by Friday but maybe Thursday. Wednesday March 10th they say it won t be ready until Monday or Tuesday Tuesday March 16th (A snowstorm came through over the weekend) Updated me saying theres a bunch of cars to process from the storm and it will be at least a few more days. Friday March 19th get an update saying they re putting it back together now they were planning on getting it done next Monday when the Team Lead comes back from vacation but have their two best guys on it to get it done hopefully by today if not by Monday March 22. Monday March 22 putting it back together now hoping by tomorrow. Monday March 22 get a call back saying there is actually 4 cars ahead of mine and to expect it by Friday March 26th Wednesday March 24th I get told they re still on track to finish by Friday March 26th Friday March 26th team lead spoke to me and said they had it together but their testing showed a grounding fault and a harness needed to be replaced the part just came in today realistically expecting it to be done by Wednesday March 31st since replacing the harness is pretty involved. Monday March 29th still working on getting the harness installed. Wednesday March 31st another part needs to be replaced and was just ordered plan to have it back by Monday April 5th they have a master technician in from Chicago working on my car and another. Today Monday April 5th they said they re going to check with parts to see the status of it expect an update Wednesday April 7th. I can t be the only one that thinks this is pretty ridiculous right. Edit: Also this is from one of the 10 Tesla Official Body Shops in the US. Not just a Tesla Approved Shop Edit 2: Was told today I would get a call from their “director” about my bad experience and never got a call. Seems about on par Edit 3: Received my car back April 7th | I honestly don t even know why tesla bothered to open body shops. Let 3rd parties handle it. It s just one more thing taking focus away from general service and adding fuel to the fire for owners who already think tesla CS is horrible | Sounds like there was a snowstorm that set things back and the damage was worse than they initially thought? Did they have to go back to your insurance company to get approval for the new harness? That s probably a big job and would cost more? And can you get Tesla insurance in CO? Or is it registered in CA and you re living in CO? | 110 | 2 | 8,293 |
mkqg23 | 220 | Tesla Body Repair Hell [https: imgur.com gallery DDXprB3](https: imgur.com gallery DDXprB3) So on Feb 18th I got into a collision at an intersection leaving the front left of my car pretty bent in but not an insane amount of damage. Took it to the Tesla Body Repair shop in Denver and they took it in saying they would give me a quote by next Monday February 22nd. Tuesday Feb 23rd rolls around and they tell me they submitted the quote to my insurance (Tesla Insurance) for approval and that they ordered the parts. Expect to have it here for several weeks. Tuesday March 2nd comes they update me saying the parts have been painted and they re just waiting on two small clips for the front bumper that should arrive in the next couple days. Thursday March 4th they update saying the clips haven t arrived yet and should arrive by Monday with the car back together by Monday afternoon. Tuesday March 9th they update me saying paint actually took longer than expected for the apron and door the clips had just arrived and to expect it by Friday but maybe Thursday. Wednesday March 10th they say it won t be ready until Monday or Tuesday Tuesday March 16th (A snowstorm came through over the weekend) Updated me saying theres a bunch of cars to process from the storm and it will be at least a few more days. Friday March 19th get an update saying they re putting it back together now they were planning on getting it done next Monday when the Team Lead comes back from vacation but have their two best guys on it to get it done hopefully by today if not by Monday March 22. Monday March 22 putting it back together now hoping by tomorrow. Monday March 22 get a call back saying there is actually 4 cars ahead of mine and to expect it by Friday March 26th Wednesday March 24th I get told they re still on track to finish by Friday March 26th Friday March 26th team lead spoke to me and said they had it together but their testing showed a grounding fault and a harness needed to be replaced the part just came in today realistically expecting it to be done by Wednesday March 31st since replacing the harness is pretty involved. Monday March 29th still working on getting the harness installed. Wednesday March 31st another part needs to be replaced and was just ordered plan to have it back by Monday April 5th they have a master technician in from Chicago working on my car and another. Today Monday April 5th they said they re going to check with parts to see the status of it expect an update Wednesday April 7th. I can t be the only one that thinks this is pretty ridiculous right. Edit: Also this is from one of the 10 Tesla Official Body Shops in the US. Not just a Tesla Approved Shop Edit 2: Was told today I would get a call from their “director” about my bad experience and never got a call. Seems about on par Edit 3: Received my car back April 7th | I honestly don t even know why tesla bothered to open body shops. Let 3rd parties handle it. It s just one more thing taking focus away from general service and adding fuel to the fire for owners who already think tesla CS is horrible | It is the unfortunate reality of working with some body shops. The one here has a bad reputation for stuff like this as well as returning the car with significant issues. I wish there were more certified shops to provide more options but certification is fairly expensive. | 110 | 5 | 8,294 |
mkqg23 | 220 | Tesla Body Repair Hell [https: imgur.com gallery DDXprB3](https: imgur.com gallery DDXprB3) So on Feb 18th I got into a collision at an intersection leaving the front left of my car pretty bent in but not an insane amount of damage. Took it to the Tesla Body Repair shop in Denver and they took it in saying they would give me a quote by next Monday February 22nd. Tuesday Feb 23rd rolls around and they tell me they submitted the quote to my insurance (Tesla Insurance) for approval and that they ordered the parts. Expect to have it here for several weeks. Tuesday March 2nd comes they update me saying the parts have been painted and they re just waiting on two small clips for the front bumper that should arrive in the next couple days. Thursday March 4th they update saying the clips haven t arrived yet and should arrive by Monday with the car back together by Monday afternoon. Tuesday March 9th they update me saying paint actually took longer than expected for the apron and door the clips had just arrived and to expect it by Friday but maybe Thursday. Wednesday March 10th they say it won t be ready until Monday or Tuesday Tuesday March 16th (A snowstorm came through over the weekend) Updated me saying theres a bunch of cars to process from the storm and it will be at least a few more days. Friday March 19th get an update saying they re putting it back together now they were planning on getting it done next Monday when the Team Lead comes back from vacation but have their two best guys on it to get it done hopefully by today if not by Monday March 22. Monday March 22 putting it back together now hoping by tomorrow. Monday March 22 get a call back saying there is actually 4 cars ahead of mine and to expect it by Friday March 26th Wednesday March 24th I get told they re still on track to finish by Friday March 26th Friday March 26th team lead spoke to me and said they had it together but their testing showed a grounding fault and a harness needed to be replaced the part just came in today realistically expecting it to be done by Wednesday March 31st since replacing the harness is pretty involved. Monday March 29th still working on getting the harness installed. Wednesday March 31st another part needs to be replaced and was just ordered plan to have it back by Monday April 5th they have a master technician in from Chicago working on my car and another. Today Monday April 5th they said they re going to check with parts to see the status of it expect an update Wednesday April 7th. I can t be the only one that thinks this is pretty ridiculous right. Edit: Also this is from one of the 10 Tesla Official Body Shops in the US. Not just a Tesla Approved Shop Edit 2: Was told today I would get a call from their “director” about my bad experience and never got a call. Seems about on par Edit 3: Received my car back April 7th | I honestly don t even know why tesla bothered to open body shops. Let 3rd parties handle it. It s just one more thing taking focus away from general service and adding fuel to the fire for owners who already think tesla CS is horrible | Repairs take forever. I had an accident in December 2020 and it took 2 months and 1 day to get the car back for just a fender bender | 110 | 9 | 8,295 |
mlb3bi | 33 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Dog mode with Sentry mode able to run. I want footage if someone is near my car ESPECIALLY when my dog is in it. | Enable the app to unlock and drive (via Bluetooth) more than one Tesla (if you happen to own more than one) without having to open the app and swipe to the other car. | 58 | 6 | 8,296 |
mlb3bi | 33 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Dog mode with Sentry mode able to run. I want footage if someone is near my car ESPECIALLY when my dog is in it. | 🔥🔥 update | 58 | 7 | 8,297 |
mlb3bi | 33 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Dog mode with Sentry mode able to run. I want footage if someone is near my car ESPECIALLY when my dog is in it. | * Waypoints!!!! (it would make planning trips so much easier). * Option to only pre-heat cabin. (No need to warm up the batteries if I m driving 2 KM). * Option to disable traction stability control. (Sometimes you just wanna have fun - M3LR). * Selectable regen from 0 - full (it s good for brakes in the winter to get some use). * Battery info screen. (Like ScanMyTesla). * Follow (car lengths) based on speed. 1 car length is 1M in a traffic jams and further away obviously when at speed - the faster the speed - the more distance. As of now you can t use it in a traffic jam situation as you are creating more traffic by having a whole bunch of space between the car in front. | 58 | 8 | 8,298 |
mlitp8 | 49 | Refreshed X Anyone else here order a new X and get anything more than a shrug from their rep wrt delivery date? Ordered back in February originally stated April delivery before that disappeared. Not my first rodeo with Tesla (my third) and know there s a wide range of knowledge when it comes to reps so just seeing if anyone else has heard anything.. thx. | You ll get your car. Eventually. That s about all anyone seems to know. | I am guessing it won t be until July. We haven t seen any test X out in the wild yet and the store I went to mentioned they will get an S in the showroom in May and an X in July. | 53 | 13 | 8,299 |
mlitp8 | 49 | Refreshed X Anyone else here order a new X and get anything more than a shrug from their rep wrt delivery date? Ordered back in February originally stated April delivery before that disappeared. Not my first rodeo with Tesla (my third) and know there s a wide range of knowledge when it comes to reps so just seeing if anyone else has heard anything.. thx. | You ll get your car. Eventually. That s about all anyone seems to know. | Earlier today or yesterday someone said on the forums said they talked to a rep who said S deliveries should start in May with X deliveries starting in June. (I think maybe the phrase was as soon as... ). I have an X order and my estimated delivery on the website still says April. But I think nobody s website estimate has changed. | 53 | 17 | 8,300 |
mloxss | 148 | Model S refresh Estimated Delivery updated I ordered the Model S refresh on February 5th 2021. In California. The Estimated delivery has since said March. Today it has officially updated to July. For those that have also been waiting now might be a good time to check! The delays were real but they could be prioritizing the earliest orders. Does anyone else have a delivery update? & #x200B & #x200B https: preview.redd.it 9bg23sog1nr61.png?width=365& format=png& auto=webp& s=4c12677ed6d1195239be2a048bdb75d73b0bde57 | As leaky as Tesla is I m surprised we havent heard why the delay. Plus Elon is often fairly talkative online. | My order still has no update so that s interesting | 65 | 5 | 8,301 |
mloxss | 148 | Model S refresh Estimated Delivery updated I ordered the Model S refresh on February 5th 2021. In California. The Estimated delivery has since said March. Today it has officially updated to July. For those that have also been waiting now might be a good time to check! The delays were real but they could be prioritizing the earliest orders. Does anyone else have a delivery update? & #x200B & #x200B https: preview.redd.it 9bg23sog1nr61.png?width=365& format=png& auto=webp& s=4c12677ed6d1195239be2a048bdb75d73b0bde57 | As leaky as Tesla is I m surprised we havent heard why the delay. Plus Elon is often fairly talkative online. | I ordered mine mid Feb and mine still says 4-11 weeks. ☹️ | 65 | 9 | 8,302 |
mloxss | 148 | Model S refresh Estimated Delivery updated I ordered the Model S refresh on February 5th 2021. In California. The Estimated delivery has since said March. Today it has officially updated to July. For those that have also been waiting now might be a good time to check! The delays were real but they could be prioritizing the earliest orders. Does anyone else have a delivery update? & #x200B & #x200B https: preview.redd.it 9bg23sog1nr61.png?width=365& format=png& auto=webp& s=4c12677ed6d1195239be2a048bdb75d73b0bde57 | As leaky as Tesla is I m surprised we havent heard why the delay. Plus Elon is often fairly talkative online. | I got nothing ordered Dec 8 your rn starts with 1144 mine is 1142 about 200k order numbers ahead. | 65 | 14 | 8,303 |
mlrlua | 40 | Why do we not have access to in cabin footage I don t know how many times I ve wished the car recorded inside. Could be an argument I want to reflect on or something funny to record. Then I remember wait there is a camera inside the car and a mic that I don t have access too. Knowing tesla utilizes my footage for their purposes but I can t really bothers me. I also feel like it s a bit illegal but hey I just want to see how many other people feel the same way. | I think wanting to watch and reflect back on an argument in the cabin is the weirdest thing I m going to read this week. | Because there is no good reason for them to bother | 49 | 2 | 8,304 |
mlrlua | 40 | Why do we not have access to in cabin footage I don t know how many times I ve wished the car recorded inside. Could be an argument I want to reflect on or something funny to record. Then I remember wait there is a camera inside the car and a mic that I don t have access too. Knowing tesla utilizes my footage for their purposes but I can t really bothers me. I also feel like it s a bit illegal but hey I just want to see how many other people feel the same way. | I think wanting to watch and reflect back on an argument in the cabin is the weirdest thing I m going to read this week. | I don t have a way to prove this but I SWEAR the pre collision avoidance is more active sensitive when you re not looking at the road. Using this camera. And remember just because they say it isn t being used (for recording video) doesn t mean they wouldn t use it in another manor. Driving through downtown twice it s beeped at me while looking over at a building slightly to my right (2-3 o clock position) and another time looking down at my screen. 25mph zone. | 49 | 3 | 8,305 |
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