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good pre-recommendations for the tesla start program
So I plan on doing the tesla start program sometime after may 2022. With the time I have before I plan on enrolling would there be any good automotive certifications that would make it easier for me to get accepted and make the classes easier to process for someone with no prior experience I know they advertise that you don t need an automotive background but a lil headstart never hurt. (also if any current or past tesla start students could give their opinion it would help a lot &lt 3)
2021-10-29 01:01:22
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If I take the offer with tesla s start program and I complete the program is there a penalty if I don t work at one of tesla service centers upon completion?
2021-12-29 04:29:39
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Career Decision - Tesla vs. Ford
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[Don t upvote] Will Tesla Panasonic s battery cells ever be for consumer purchase?
They have repeatedly stated that their batteries are the densest and cheapest of the market. I am pretty sure it would be great for everyone if they were sold commercially as in battery packs or single cells. Just an idea. I tried searching but couldn t find anything. Cheers.
2017-04-23 19:11:46
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Tesla s entire manufacturing capability is eaten-up by Tesla Motors and Tesla Energy. It may be fun for you and me to have a few 2170s but Tesla doesn t really care about that.
2017-04-23 19:47:10
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Tesla Battery Production Optimization
25,034
[UPDATE 2] Having a charging issue
Turns out the battery coolant was a problem and the battery is fine. Coolant (and system?) replaced and MS is charging again without issues. No battery replacement done or necessary. I drove around the loaner until they could get mine back to me. I m wondering whether my recent road trip in the cold with 3-4 supercharging stops may have damaged the battery temperature management system but who knows...
2016-12-22 08:28:23
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Glad to hear they got it fixed up. I guess they didn t offer a reason why?
2016-12-22 08:58:02
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
25,235
Predictions for last week of Q218 Model 3 production
Seeing how Elon s most recent revised target of 5k week was targeted for the last week of June what do you think the real number will be? Side note! There s a Q2 predictions spreadsheet here: https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1V3Ivlbj52i47FujcsaELFPBUewD_qTpKHfwKrcMDA-Q edit#gid=106028130 Thanks to u teslike who created this
2018-06-23 17:05:45
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They hit a rate of 4900 for a short period of time. All individual stations capable of 5k. Amiright?
2018-06-23 17:08:38
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
15,504
What does this subreddit feel about Tesla licensing its Supercharger network?
The goal of Tesla is to advance the adoption of sustainable transport. One of the biggest problems with electric vehicles is the comparably sparse recharging network. Yeah people can charge at their home and whatnot but it s a clear problem for road trips or anyone with a housing situation that prohibits charging your car. Tesla is doing a bang up job fixing this with an expanding network of free quick chargers but that only makes *Tesla* attractive. BMW Audi Ford Toyota and the like are still facing a serious infrastructure problem. Forcing every company to develop a proprietary charging network is a terrible idea. It will expedite the explicit number of charging stations but will hurt the development of a national charging infrastructure. If Tesla licenses the network it will help fund Tesla while giving other manufacturers a quick enterance into the industry. This will not only aid larger companies but help smaller ones who don t have the capital to build a similar network. How that would end I don t know. The supercharger connector becomes the industry standard? Other companies expand the network so only Tesla brand superchargers are free for owners? No idea but the stated goal of Tesla Motors is to expedite the industry adoption of EVs and licensing superchargers is a massive step in doing so.
2016-07-11 14:33:17
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So long as they make enough of them to exceed demand I m cool with it. But if I have to wait 15 min+ (which I have already) at a Tesla supercharger for some other brand s car... I m not going to be happy
2016-07-11 14:51:56
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Tesla Supercharger Road Trips
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What are people s thoughts on the dual motor option?
It s fairly pricey with what seems like relatively minor range and performance implications. So i m wondering is it a worthwhile option? Why or why not?
2016-09-15 20:46:18
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Pros: * 1) More range with efficiency between the two motors * 2) Increased acceleration * 3) Better handling in inclement weather (snow ice etc) * 4) Better handling around turns * 5) If one of the motors dies while you are driving the other will take over and you wont be stranded on the side of the road for a tow. You can drive it straight to service center Cons: * 1) Loss of frunk space (although all new Teslas now have reduced frunk) * 2) Price increase * 3) Not necessarily required for snow ice - the car (especially with winter tires chains) performs great even with RWD. I went through snow storms in South Dakota Wyoming and Colorado with just winter tires and did fine. Didnt even need to put on snow chains. Granted total snow was under 6 * 4) Some owners report increased noise from front motor * 5) Increase in total car weight (doesnt really matter much) Personally I wouldn t get the D unless you live in an area that actually gets winter storms - or if you plan to use your car to travel to areas with those storms and high snow ice. I.e. there is no reason to have dual motors in southern california where I live unless you drive up to the mountains for skiing in the winter. Even then winter tires and chains will work for many situations.
2016-09-15 20:54:04
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Tesla Model Comparison
22,473
Problem setting up HomeLink
I was trying to set up HomeLink in my Model 3 last night but realized it seems to be missing a step. After I hit start it shows the Record Signal from Remote screen. I did this the headlights flashed and after hitting continue it took me to the Test the New HomeLink end screen. In every tutorial I ve watched there s supposed to be a Train the Receiver step where the car pairs with the garage door opener itself. Even though my headlights flashed and learned the signal from the remote it won t open my garage when I hit the HomeLink button. : Has anyone else experienced this?
2019-05-06 19:03:29
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It s the same for me. I think it s receiver-specific probably has to do with rolling vs. constant codes. Do you have an older opener? Mine is ancient.
2019-05-06 19:08:19
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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Do current Tesla models have 4G LTE connectivity?
I would imagine it needs to have some method other than WiFi to report it s status like checking the battery status from the Tesla app. If so does that require a subscription or is that worked into the option price?
2016-04-03 19:47:37
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Yes but if you were hoping as I did whether you could tether your devices to it...you can t.
2016-04-03 19:58:19
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Car Software Update Connectivity
5,238
P85 90D CPOs Disappearing
Been looking for a P85 90D CPO and watching the list via the various tracking sites. Sometime today or last night the inventory seemed to drop quite a bit. Anyone else notice this or know what s going on? Normal purchases?
2017-08-08 01:30:32
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A lot of people realized that the price of a fully loaded 3 is equal or greater to a CPO S that they can get tomorrow. So they re selling like hot cakes. Nothing complicated about it.
2017-08-08 02:40:21
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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Price for wireless data in a Tesla
Ok I m not knowledgeable about Tesla s and all the details so this might be a dumb question. Are they all connected to cell towers via mobile data? It s there an extra charge for that? It s it a monthly data fee. Or do they can they be strictly WiFi? I know they get OTA updates just not how the data thing works.
2019-07-10 12:38:42
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my understanding is that after a year you ll have the option to pay for the mobile data package for around $100 year which will get you the streaming radio traffic map overlay etc.
2019-07-10 12:45:58
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Car Software Update Connectivity
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Someone just tried to break into my Model 3 with Sentry Mode On. Music and Alarm went off. Didn t receive notifications. What if we were away from the car? [Discussion]
I was expecting a break-in in this neighbourhood but I m also disappointed we didn t receive notifications. We sometimes go hiking and park the car at trailhead lots. I d like to know if someone is actively trying to break in in case I couldn t hear the alarm. Is there a way to get notified? Edit: We actually just received a notification half an hour after the break-in attempt. Anyway to make it instantaneous?
2019-04-20 05:11:32
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Might be on your phone s end a lot of phone will try to save power by killing off background apps even if you ve told the phone to not do that. Do you have an Android phone?
2019-04-20 05:37:29
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Model 3 phone key issues
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Model 3 sometimes doesnt want to shift from park
I just got my model 3 Friday and there has been several times where I have tried to shift from park and nothing happens. I step on the brake and the car starts and the seat moves into position but it takes about a minute or so before the car will shift into drive or reverse. I have been trying to get a hold of my local service without luck but have a couple messages waiting for a reply. But was wondering if this is a known issue. I noticed I am a few versions behind on firmware (24.8) so i am hoping that this is fixed in firmware.
2018-08-14 23:14:26
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I ve had this happen a few times even on 28.1. I *think* it s because the phone is not properly connected even though I d just used the phone to unlock the car. Pulling out the key card and placing on the sensor seems to solve this. It s hard to troubleshoot since it s so rare.
2018-08-14 23:25:50
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Issues with Smart Summon
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[Discussion] The Current Model 3 Motor is the Million Mile Drive Train
My points: * Tesla s goal is to accelerate sustainable transport you can t do this if you cars only last 250k miles if they can last 500k + that doubles their useful lifespan essentially speeding up how soon everyone has an electric car. * They mass produce these at scale Tesla will partner with SpaceX and the Boring company for drive train components. Aerospace reliability needs to be 2nd to none. Why put the development time into a separate low volume motor for a couple other companies? * I expect they won t do further substantial motor development and use the current Model 3 Motors in Model Y and potentially the Pickup as well. Edit: * u dualcitizen mentioned the Tesla Semi another great point! It uses 4 of Model 3 s motors. They guarantee the truck won t break down for 1 million miles noting that it can run on 2 motors. What does everyone else think?
2018-09-08 13:49:32
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&gt Tesla will partner with SpaceX and the Boring company for drive train components Knowledge exchange: sure. Component exchange: I highly doubt it since requirements and optimization goals are different for each. As for Tesla: You are ignoring the self-driving revolution and the expected decline in private ownership. A car designed to be a taxi and is sold to fleets looks very different than a car sold to individuals.
2018-09-08 13:59:56
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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Need advice on where to charge in Carlsbad CA during Christmas week.
Planning on taking the family to visit Legoland next week and planning on driving a model S 75 from Sacramento. The closest supercharger is 50 miles roundtrip in San Diego. I see a planned one coming to Carlsbad end of 2017 but cannot confirm if that will be ready next week. Anyone familiar with the area that can give some advice on charging locations would be highly appreciated.
2017-12-18 21:37:45
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Check out plugshare. It s a website and an app.
2017-12-18 21:45:28
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Tesla Supercharger Road Trips
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Has Tesla had camera gps or audio data subpoenaed to charge the owner with a crime?
As a privacy-conscience person I have reservations with the data the car captures and sends to their data center. If this is ever shared with law enforcement or a similar such breach of trust I d sell my car the same day. Follow up question. Can the 3G uplink be yanked out cutting said data capture off?
2017-02-21 17:37:10
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Unfortunately if you are afraid of telematics data being legally subpoenaed by a law enforcement agency then you probably should not get ANY CAR WITH TELEMETRY OR CELLULAR (e.g. Tesla any OnStar GM 2013+ BMW 2016+ Audi) Just merely connecting the car to a cell tower provides a lot of location history via cell tower pings which is routinely subpoenaed from the wireless carrier in any criminal investigation. If you re truly privacy conscious you should also peruse Tesla s privacy policy as it relates to aggregated telemetry data for fleet learning. Tesla does provide a provision to opt out of such data collection but claims you will lose functionality. Not exactly sure what.
2017-02-21 17:58:55
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
7,519
Where can I find the videos Tesla used in their shareholder meeting? Image example inside
For example the Model X deliveries video http: m.imgur.com 6gUWCkv Edit: Timestamp to the X video in the meeting: http: www.youtube.com watch?v=DvVlNkL8f_o&amp t=121m2s
2016-06-11 17:35:31
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Many may not be publicly available
2016-06-11 19:30:04
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
23,196
Is it possible to get a window sticker from a VIN?
Would Tesla provide a pdf of the sticker from a VIN? I m trying to get an accurate options list.
2017-08-10 02:45:15
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I called Tesla sales today and they gave me the full options color configuration list from the VIN!
2017-08-11 01:08:01
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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I test drive a $ 178 000 CAD Tesla P90D.. It was amazing
Posted the test drive on Snapchat got a lot of people asking me about the car etc.. So far 2 serious potential buyer are planning to schedule a test drive as well That Ludicrous Mode is something out of this world.. So Much Torque !!! If the passenger are not prepared before the launch. They can get a concussion.. The faster you can slam your foot on the pedal to the floor the more brutal the launch is.. It s so much fun..
2015-10-21 16:55:28
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I drove a 70D yesterday: Sublime epic wonderful. *Makes even more desperate attempt to be able to afford a Tesla* Going back to an ICE car feels like going from an SSD to a regular hard disk again. :P
2015-10-21 19:09:52
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
9,206
Im on 2018.42.4 without drive on Nav
Yesterday I took my 2018 M3LR in for some service and casually mentioned to them that I don t have a wifi signal where I live so if they could try to update I would appreciate it. They actually pushed the update and I m on 42.4 but drive by Nav is not within my settings. I tried resetting the car but it didn t pop up. I paid for autopilot and the full self driving feature when I bought the car so it s not that. Has anyone else experienced this? We re you able to fix it? In addition the service technician mentioned that I didn t have the new map update and that I should try to find a store or coffee shop with WiFi to bum off to update it. Does anyone think this could be the root of the issue?
2018-11-20 12:20:10
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This is the root of the issue but they should have forced the map update while it was on the service WiFi. This whole maps thing is a bit out of hand. Service needs to be able to push maps like firmware. I mean for large updated we need a button that says yes I am on WiFi at Starbucks go now while I drink my coffee.
2018-11-20 12:25:41
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
9,556
Is this tesla related website legit?
It s a petition to the state legislature in Texas to allow direct sales for Tesla. The website domain is registered by Domains by Proxy so I m not sure about it. Is there an official push in Texas for direct sales? I thought the legislation they were trying to get through didn t pass. Website: http: www.teslaintexas.org
2016-11-23 01:41:53
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Bottom of the site says: &gt Legislative Advertising. Authorized by Tesla in Texas Paid for by Tesla. So it [seems legit](https: static.esea.net global images teams 117986.1447080860.jpg).
2016-11-23 01:49:28
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
10,225
Why not 4 motors instead of 3 motors (plaid)
I am curious why Tesla does not build their future Roadster or Cybertruck with four motors. Is there an advantage to having three motors instead of four? Obviously there is a cost difference but generally plaid is for their top end cars so I doubt cost is the factor. Rivian appears to be doing four motor trucks. Maybe there is an advantage to have three motors?
2019-12-02 18:40:42
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When driving a consistent speed dual motor Teslas today only use a single motor to make it more efficient. With 3 motors 1 of the motors will control an entire axle and that will be the efficient motor. With 4 motors you d always need a minimum of 2 running. Since most people still want longer range over faster acceleration (especially when we re already looking at sub 3s 0-60s) 3 motors is the right choice.
2019-12-02 18:47:26
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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Daily Discussion + Support Thread - December 03
**Use this recurring thread for:** - Basic Questions and Answers - Vehicle Help and Support - Topics of the day or week - Sightings Vehicle Customization Vanity Plates - Orders or Deliveries - Shop Items Discussion (Toys Apparel Gifts etc) **Range Concerns Vehicle Issues Bugs Need Support?** [Range Concerns](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ddcnoh after_11_months_and_18200_miles_i_have_7_battery f2fmu9r ) and [Winter Driving Tips](https: www.tesla.com support winter-driving-tips) | [Subreddit Support Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki support) | [Official Tesla Support](https: www.tesla.com support) **Gigathread of Resources** Check out the [Gigathread of Resources](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments cdxuwh gigathread_of_resources ) thread for more recent resources and highlights. **Why buy a Tesla?** [Here is a long list of reasons](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki topreasons) why owners love their cars and [here you can find the most recent software updates](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) rolling out to vehicles (including megathreads for each version). Looking for useful sites that are often talked about? [There s a wiki page](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki usefulsites) for that too. **Cleaning Detailing Tips?** Check out r AutoDetailing they are much more comprehensive. **Looking for comparisons?** Searching the sub first really helps as there are likely MANY discussions on a similar topic (of which the answers you re looking for likely did not change much). Searching vs. could definitely help you find past threads. There is also a [comparisons spreadsheet](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1Rv464J1RsXNBNddy008IPsQfVrO4kHPh_L4HWKpG4bo edit#gid=0) we support. **Other helpful links** - [Discord Chat](https: discord.gg 7WuEqAW) | [Most Common Acronyms](http: decronym.xyz acronyms TeslaMotors) | [Popular Podcasts](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki podcasts) **Related Communities** - r TeslaLounge | r TeslaInvestorsClub | r TeslaPorn | r TeslaClassifieds | r Superchargers | r TeslaAutonomy **Wiki Pages** - [Overview](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki index) | [About](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki about) | [FAQ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki faq) | [Accessories](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki accessories) | [Did You Know?](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki didyouknow) | [Useful Sites](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki usefulsites) | [Software Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) | [Top Reasons](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki topreasons) | [Support](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki support) | [Moderation](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki moderation) **Please be kind** [genuine](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8rc3jg be_genuine ) and welcoming. If you want to share a photo you can easily create an image link at [Imgur Upload](https: upload.imgur.com) and include it in your comment. Find past discussions [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=author%3AAutoModerator+title%3A%22Discussion%22&amp restrict_sr=on&amp include_over_18=on&amp sort=new&amp t=all).
2019-12-03 09:09:56
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Thought you all may enjoy this. I had asked some questions a while back ( 2mo or so ) and got great help regarding this setup - Mostly that I had an electrician come out and ensure it was safe. Old 240 ( it says 250? ) outlet and box for a welder in our corn crib. It had a female 6-50 so instead of paying them to install a 14-50 I got a 6-50 to 14-50 adapter on Amazon. Electrician also approved that daisy-chaining as long as I lowered from the max 50 amps to 46 or less. That ended up not being a concern because as I found out the tesla charger maxes out at 32amps ( Found on this thread during Thanksgiving day when I asked ) I d consider that a loss but at 32a I m charging 29-30mph which charges me up during the day and that s good enough for me so I don t need to be plugged in over night! [https: imgur.com a 6BdynpI](https: imgur.com a 6BdynpI)
2019-12-03 15:17:55
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
4,470
Sleeping in MS trunk.
Hey Reddit I have a little foam mattress pad that I sometimes roll out at superchargers while on a trip. I was wondering if you guys have some good suggestions for how to level out the indent from the trunk to the folding seats. Thanks!
2018-02-06 00:04:03
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Air mattress. Lots of thick blankets. There are even custom made Tesla camping pads out there. Camping is the S is a good time and now that camping mode is a default behavior you don t have to maintain a solid phone connection to keep the a c running all night.
2018-02-06 00:07:22
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
17,275
Long term storage (2 months) of model 3
Hi there. I ll be leaving my model 3 for about two months this coming week. Does anyone know what to do with it in terms of storage? Can I just leave it in my garage plugged in and put max charge at 50%? Anyone have experience with this?
2018-07-01 06:06:05
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So long as you can leave it plugged in the guidance is 50-80%. No worries.
2018-07-01 06:16:45
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
10,985
Anyone having their GPS lock up?
After the latest update patch I am having to reset my my2022 computer with the old 2 button salute to get GPS to function after reaching a destination. Ie I get to my destination then park come back enter a new address or back home it plots the route but never updates my position. A reboot makes it function again.
2022-05-15 21:35:18
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Per my Tesl tech friend “yeah that happens” and a reboot is the only fix
2022-05-15 22:09:10
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
1,969
Model S Seat Position
I know this is a first-world problem......but any help would be appreciated. My wife is tiny and therefore drives our Model S with the seat right forward (like a sweet little old lady going to church....). I m a fat bugger so every time I go to drive after her I have to lean in and squeeze between the seat on the steering wheel to select my seat setting on the centre screen. It s actually starting to bugger my back up.....and I just got wet underpants doing it in the rain. Is there any way we can set the seat to move back when she gets out? Or set one key to her driving position and another key to mine? Its a 2016 pre-facelift model.
2020-07-13 14:18:56
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Linking a Driver Profile to a Key You can link a driver profile to a specific key to allow Model S to automatically select the correct driver profile when the linked key is detected as you approach the vehicle and open the driver s door. **To link a driver profile to a key enter Model S with the key and touch the driver profile icon on the top of the touchscreen. Select the driver profile you would like to link to the key then touch Link to Key Fob.** NOTE: Model S only detects one key at a time. The driver profile is linked to the key that is detected by the vehicle at that time. Therefore if you want to link driver profiles to multiple keys ensure that only the key that you would like to link the driver profile to is within detection range while performing the linking procedure. Move all other keys outside of the detection range (at least three feet (one meter) away from Model S). NOTE: Model S can support up to three linked keys. However a driver profile can only be linked to one key. To remove the link between a driver profile and key touch the driver profile icon on the top of the touchscreen. Select the driver profile then touch the X next to Linked to Key Fob.
2020-07-13 14:26:01
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
12,595
ELI5 why radar isn t good at seeing statoonary objects?
I keep seeing this Radar is good at detecting moving objects but not stationary objects. It also has difficulty detecting objects like a vehicle crossing the road not moving in the car s direction of travel. In news articles. https: www.theverge.com 2019 5 17 18629214 tesla-autopilot-crash-death-josh-brown-jeremy-banner. Why can t radar detect stationary objects? Doesn t seem like this is true or maybe it s worded weird?
2019-05-18 11:50:44
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Imagine painting *everything* in front with retro-reflective paint (ie. make everything look like a traffic sign). Now sitting in pitch darkness flash the brightest Atomic-bomb-like stage spotlight for a micro fraction of a second. Ooops. You are completely blinded *everything* reflected. Useless. And it hurt. Lets try again but keep those eyes tight-shut for a fraction of a second after the first blast so avoid the first shockwave of reflections and only get reflections from the stuff further way. Sort of worked now *only* 95% of the stuff reflected. Must be a better way. Up in the sky stuff (planets suns galaxies moons UFOs) has either red-shift (moving away) or blue-shift (moving closer): this is because the light gets stretched (moving away) or pushed together on itself (moving closer). This is the **[Doppler effect](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Doppler_effect)** it works for light (Radar) just as it works for a fire-engine or Ambulance going past. Higher-pitch getting closer lower-pitch going away. Same pitch when stationary *or maintaining the same speed as us*. Since we are sitting still we can ignore everything that is fixed pitch ie. stationary filter it all out. *Gone*. Now we can just listen for echos that are lower-pitch or higher-pitch. (Even if just by a tiny amount—it s enough to filter the noise). Now if we re moving then anything stationary (road bridges signs soft-drink cans … fire-trucks) is apparently moving towards us. Everything is a higher-pitch (high-frequency Radar return than we transmitted with our Atomic-bomb theatre flash light). Damn we re back to the first problem blinded by reflections all on the same frequency. Solution: ignore the frequency-shift **equal** to our speed of movement. Brilliant fantastic now we just have reflections from stuff that matters! Like cars driving in the lane ahead or the lane across. Now we can listen not only for frequency-shift (relative speed) but listen to the reflection delay (distance). Radar **is awesome**. Well except that we had to filter out the fire-trucks for it to be any use and not be blinded… but if we hadn t done that we d still be at the first stage and blinded. By Science. **TL DR ** Doppler. Ambulances. Filtering everything except the ones getting higher lower in frequency. ^(*edit*: typos)
2019-05-18 12:19:27
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Tesla Autopilot Performance
5,757
What s the difference between the Remote S app and the Tesla app
I just got my Tesla S today everyone always says good things about the Remote S app but I can t find any differences between that one which costs $10 vs the free Tesla app. What am I missing here?
2017-12-17 00:31:11
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Apple Watch support
2017-12-17 00:47:39
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Bestla Tesla Companion App
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FYI assuming you ve locked a $6k FSD in a Model Y and need a little extra time to save for your down payment (if they start delivering early) you can request to postpone your order. Doing so will not bump FSD up to $7k.
I keep finding these rumors that the Model Y will start delivering Q1 whereas all of my financial planning has been around taking delivery Q3. I called Tesla and the rep told me that a VIN will be assigned to me automatically. If we re not ready to take delivery we can call and have it unassigned from our reservation. They can then set a flag on our account that prevents another VIN from being assigned automatically. We can call back to let them know when we re ready to accept delivery. She emphasized this would not make us ineligible for the $6k FSD and we would not be bumped up to the higher price at the time of delivery.
2019-12-03 23:42:12
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Keep in mind that a lot of times the sales people are plain wrong or the policy changes without notification.
2019-12-04 01:00:39
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Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences
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Model 3 charging efficiency when only driving short trips daily
Tesla charging efficiency question...ok my wife and I work from home so on a daily basis we drive very little. Typically a short 4-5 mile round trip to the gym or running errands. Sure some days we drive more but let s run with this use case. We have L2 50A circuit for charging at home. Also we live in MN so we have colder months where we have to deal with cold battery heating etc... From a charging efficiency standpoint does it make sense to just charge the car every night anyways? For example if we have the charge set to 90% factory default does it take more energy to top off those few miles we drive than it would if we let the battery run down a few days then charged? Does the cold weather change the approach or does it exacerbate it by taking more energy to heat the battery before charging every time?
2019-11-08 14:12:16
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from the book of the prophet elon *a plugged in tesla is a happy tesla* so the moral to the story is to plug the car in all is good. I would lower the charge limit to less than 90% if your driving habits remain constant
2019-11-08 15:26:55
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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Navigate on Autopilot hiccup – no hands on warning - Long
Had a very exhilarating experience yesterday with the Model 3 LR AWD 2019.20.1 with Navigate on Autopilot. Returning home we hit a stop and go traffic jam and NoA was running. I did not have my hands on the wheel and the car would go and stop with traffic. After awhile my wife asked why the screen wasn t telling me to place my hands on wheel or turning blue up at the top. I said because we are going so slow it takes longer before the nag appears. I decided to see how long it would go before prompting me. We made it all the way through the stop and go traffic jam several miles without a nag. We slowly returned to highway speed yet no indicator came on. Now my hands are on my legs an inch from the wheel ready to grab the steering wheel no nag appeared. I am getting a bit nervous but the car is performing flawlessly going through turns requesting lane changes I don t accept them adjusting it s distance off the car in front accelerating and decelerating on its own yet no prompt. I made it over 25 miles without getting a nag. It took the exit on it s own an at that point I put my hands on wheel and took control. I kept thinking this is what Full Self Drive will be like. I guess the early model S owners with Mobile Eye probably had this experience. It was a little concerning sitting as a passenger type observing the car perform without your hands on the wheel although my hands were getting a little damp waiting to grab wheel at any second. I think it will take some time to condition oneself to not having hands on wheel. I guess it was like the first time you engage Autopilot or Nav on Autopilot you are nervous as can be as it drives and steers itself. It was fun and exhilarating but my hands were less than an inch from the wheel the whole time and the adrenal was flowing. Not sure I could put my hands on my legs palms down and relax. That s going to take some serious time before I d be able to do it. Glad the system had a glitch and I was able to have a peek at the future or maybe the past of the old Mobile Eye hands free. It s interesting and scary at same time because your hands are at the ready so your not relaxing and your attention is really heightened. It will be exciting to see as FSD slowly starts it s migration. Slow and steady improvements. &amp #x200B No I did not touch any of the controls on steering wheel or stalks during this event.
2019-06-19 14:57:16
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tesla accidentally sent you the level 5 update early
2019-06-19 15:04:03
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Has anyone installed aftermarket headrest monitors in your tesla?
How did it go? How does it look? What is it hooked up to?
2014-09-29 14:56:00
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...well. I guess not. Why not iPad? I thought headrest monitors were rendered obsolete by the tablet age.
2014-09-30 13:24:16
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I made a video on why I bought a Model 3 along with a quick overview of some of its features
It s my first time doing a car video. I usually just do fight gear and tech related videos but ever since I got my model 3 I was pretty stoked and wanted to share my thoughts on owning one. Hope you guys enjoy and feel free to leave feedback on how I can improve! (I know my camera work isn t the best) [https: youtu.be Q97ZQFDUk7w](https: youtu.be Q97ZQFDUk7w) [Some people really try and hate the car lol](https: i.redd.it 86stkx7jqz911.jpg)
2018-07-12 03:37:29
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I enjoyed watching the video. One change I would make is to have the camera higher up when you are driving so you are facing the camera rather than have it so low.
2018-07-12 04:21:19
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CPO 2015 Tesla S 70 vs new 2017 Tesla S 75
Hey all I m an impatient Model 3 depositor looking to make the switch to the S. With the referral and price cut of the New S series that is very appealing. I care about autopilot range speed value and reliability. My options are: 2017 Tesla S 75 for $74 500 before EV credits [$64 500] (AP2.0 free super-charging lifetime warranty 4.2 sec 0-60) Or 2015 10 000 mile CPO 2015 Tesla S 70 for $56 000 (AP1.0 free supercharging 230 range 5.5 second 0-60) I can t super ball out so I m looking for the best overall value in terms of quality for the price depreciation and reliability. Thanks!
2017-08-13 17:00:30
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New and use a referral code
2017-08-13 17:11:45
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Feedback to 90-kWh Model 3 in German Newspaper. Apparently it s coming according to exclusive information .
So a few days ago [this article](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 7y5es9 german_automaker_tested_and_teared_down_a_model_3 ) got posted here. They claimed that later this summer airride in conjunction with AWD and a 90-kWh pack was coming for Model 3. Many pointed out the obvious error and i did sent a feedback Email for them to correct this statement. &amp nbsp Today i got an answer: &gt Sehr geehrter Herr ***** &gt &amp nbsp &gt dabei handelt es sich um exklusive vom Autoren Georg Kacher recherchierte Informationen. Insofern können Sie davon ausgehen dass es sich hier mitnichten um einen Fehler handelt. &gt &amp nbsp &gt Herzliche Grüße &gt &gt Thomas Harloff &gt &amp nbsp &gt Redakteur Süddeutsche.de &gt &gt Süddeutsche Zeitung Digitale Medien GmbH &gt &gt Hultschiner Straße 8 &gt &gt DE 81677 München &gt &gt Tel.: 089-2183-9725 &gt &gt Fax.: 089-2183-9715 &gt &gt E-Mail: [email protected] &gt &gt www.sz.de &amp nbsp Saying that this was exclusive information researched by their reporter Georg Kacher. So this is not an error at all. &amp nbsp Has there been another newspaper claiming this? I wouldn t be aware.
2018-02-19 15:49:00
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Quite the get if true. Probably good to remain skeptical. Here s an alternative theory - They re all 90s (or close to it). Currently nerfed a bit. It s fun to dream.
2018-02-19 15:50:01
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Financing our Tesla issue
Tried going through allient financing since we are in Texas. Fiance has excellent credit 800+ - . Alliant only gave her $30k instead of the $50k requested at 3.5% 72months. Said she had excellent credit but not a lot of auto loan history. Only one Jeep Patriot for like $15k loan. Now trying to figure out other options. She s been banking with Wells Fargo and has decent amount of money there but when looked online loans were like 4.5%+ - from them. She s making like $85k a year. Not sure what next step is just keeping summiting different loans? We have the vin assigned for TM3 finally after 6 week wait. Now just need loan approval.
2018-05-06 17:53:52
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Auto loan history is the most important factors when considering an auto loan. History in general some would say is the most important overall. Without history the number is almost meaningless. As others said a credit union will most likely be your best bet. That or just putting more down.
2018-05-06 18:11:38
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Will you be able to back into a supercharger in the Model X with skis attached to the hitch mounted accessory carrier?
If you can t it will be difficult to easily travel long distances as very few super chargers allow you to pull straight in and you would not want to have to remove it each time you charge. Or maybe there is a front charging port on the Model X?
2015-10-13 21:05:04
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I have supercharged my Model S with a hitch mounted bike carrier with two bikes attached at superchargers where I had to back in. When I have the bike rack on the back the parking sensors are basically useless so I disable the warning chimes. The backup camera still works ok but once I had my wife hop out to check the distance while I backed up since you need to get fairly close in order for the thick cable to connect and bikes do obscure the view a little. At many of the newer superchargers there are spots where you can park nose-in. There are at least a few supercharging locations(in Europe at least) where there are pull-though spots where you could easily charge with a trailer attached without cockblocking the whole parking lot.
2015-10-13 21:28:32
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Unlocked Dec 2016 Model S 60 is it uncorked?
I am looking at buying my first Tesla. I have found a Dec 2016 car (hello free supercharging for life) with the options that I like at a great price it was originally a S60 but they unlocked it to 75. I am in CA so whilst in general I would have preferred an AWD it is totally something that I can live without. My question is regarding speed the 0-60 of the 60 is 5.5 the 75 is 4.3 which is actually a huge difference. Is there any way or website where I can confirm if it is capable of these higher speeds? Does the fact that it was unlocked automatically mean it can be uncorked? Can I call Tesla with the VIN and get a definitive answer?
2019-05-06 16:34:47
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The RWD can t be uncorked. Either they came uncorked as a 75 in spring 2017 or you need a dual motor 2016 60.
2019-05-06 16:37:59
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Potential Cost of ownership comparison: Subaru Outback XT vs. Tesla Model Y LR AWD
Hi all I m cross-shopping between the Subaru Outback XT and the Model Y LR AWD. I am currently in a lease and it is unlikely that I will be able to break this lease before the end without major penalty even with buying it out but in the event it happens or is close enough to make sense I m looking at the data anyway. &amp #x200B [Excel Cost Comparison](https: preview.redd.it kfpem4nxoul41.png?width=1600&amp format=png&amp auto=webp&amp s=031a56a8d1c89bae673d4db3e11d790b76254d56) I ve been a Subaru guy for the last \~15 years or so have owned multiple models and driven almost all of them. The main reasons are the AWD performance in bad weather. My job requires me to get there even when roads close down and don t get plowed and I want the safest car I can get getting to or from work back home. Fortunately in NJ (outside the NYC metro area) we re only snowy from November through March and this year has been very light in that regard. My 10 mile commute takes me through a very urban city with lots of traffic lights. It s a mix between a 55 mph highway for 5 miles and then the city (35-40 mph) for another 5. In the city portion I m typically getting around 20-23 mpg depending on traffic and lights. On highway I can exceed 30. Anyway my current vehicle is a 2019 Subaru Forester. It s a good car but I don t think I intend to buy this out at the end of the lease. I previously drove an Outback and I think that the wagon form (and extra cargo space) was a better fit for me. If I kept with Subaru I would go for the Outback XT (turbocharged 2.4L engine). All fuel economy figures are based off the calculations of a 50 50 city highway commute and 15 000 miles per year. I do drive around 30-35 miles per day after factoring in weekend travelling and hauling the kiddos around to sports which is year-round. In NJ we have a state incentive where we get a $5000 rebate and we do not pay sales tax on EV s. Also toll highways have a 10% discount (discount was not factored in above but a quick glance at my EZPass statement suggests I would save around another 5-10 dollars per month) &amp #x200B Yearly maintenance on the Subaru is reflected as an $85 oil change with tire rotation twice yearly 2-year maintenance includes cabin and engine air filter replacement year 3 includes front &amp rear differential drain-and-fills brake fluid replacement year 4 includes brake pads year 6 includes a repeat of 3 plus spark plugs. On the Tesla I m planning for yearly tire rotations and on the second year a cabin air filter change. Brakes are hypothesized at year 8. Tires are not reflected in either case because I figure they re a wash or close enough. &amp #x200B It looks like over the course of 10 years the Tesla will end up being about $9600 less to own and operate combining all maintenance and fuel costs and adding that to the actual payment of the car. &amp #x200B Am I missing anything big here? I m also not factoring home charging upgrades which would potentially add $2000 to the cost of the Tesla. This would cover a panel upgrade for more breakers and installation of a 6-20 outlet for charging on a dedicated circuit by an electrician. However NJ also provides a $500 rebate for EVSE type of installations and I would also be able to claim 30% as a federal tax credit as well. This would make the out-of-pocket expense about $820 for the 6-20 circuit. (I considered a 14-30 outlet or higher but I don t drive enough to make this economically feasible.) &amp #x200B Cost of actual mechanical failure points is also not factored in. I figure that the Outback will eventually require maintenance repair on the turbocharger CVT engine exhaust system suspension components and other things. Likewise I expect the Tesla to require some repairs as well to the MCU and other things not found in the Subaru.
2020-03-10 14:08:00
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You are not going to pay more than 38k for an outback XT. Even if it is fully loaded.
2020-03-10 14:57:41
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Model S - Accelerated Depreciation
After receiving an email from Tesla a couple months ago about getting a trade-in quote on my Tesla for a new one I thought I d do a bit of research to see if it were financially feasible. After all some of the new updates looked appealing and I d really like to go from an S to an X given my family has expanded since my original purchase. I was also a bit envious of some of the new features that mine doesn t support - recording from the cameras advanced games and more range to name a few. My original purchase was a December 2016 Model S 60D. It had AP 2.0 a sunroof upgraded grey leather seats EAP and the Premium Package. All in it was $87 700. I was able to take advantage of a few OTA paid upgrades bringing it to a 75D ($2 500) and adding FSD ($2000) bringing the total to just over $90k. I ve put a decent amount of miles on it (51 000) in the two years and 9 months that I ve owned it. Needing to see what kind of trade-in I would get I filled out the form to request the trade-in credit quote. I was a bit dismayed when it came back at $37 200. 60% depreciation in 2 1 2 years seems pretty extreme. I d put about $36k down when I bought my car and have since paid another $24 000 in car payments but after two and a half years I m sitting on about $4k in equity on almost $60k of payments. The Model S has changed and improved quite a bit since I got mine - new AP cameras faster hardware. You can get a 100D with more included features (upgraded audio air suspension) and 100+ more miles of range for about $6k less than my original purchase price. Model 3 s are now available for much cheaper as well making Teslas easier to attain. The depreciation actually makes sense. Doesn t make it any less painful though! By comparison the Jeep Wrangler I traded in for the Tesla depreciated only 25% over 4 years with slightly less miles. Also by comparison I don t think the Jeep hardly changed over those four years. My purpose for this post is to bring some awareness to how the rapid improvement we see on Teslas affects the residual value over time. I love mine and would 100% buy it over again. I was very fortunate to get discounts on the upgrades and even was eligible for the free uncorking upgrade improving my 0-60 speed by almost a second. The car has continued to improve over time with the free OTA updates which I love. I m also hopeful they upgrade some of the hardware at some point given the FSD purchase. One last note - I would also expect the Model 3s (and perhaps X s without a cheaper model yet) to hold their value better for the time being. Edit: JCannonTech commented that I didn t factor the tax credit ($7500 when I purchased my vehicle) which is a very valid point.
2019-08-28 22:21:06
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Dude Tesla is going to give you next to nothing for a trade-in that s not how you determine depreciation. Look at the used market on CarGurus Autotrader and at worst get a quote from CarMax. Good luck! EDIT: KellyBlueBook has the value between 48K-55K.
2019-08-28 23:50:11
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$TSLA Daily Investor Discussion - August 06 2018
[We re trying something out](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments 92gied meta_daily_vs_monthly_megathreads ). Use this thread for casual $TSLA related discussion and investor links. Find our latest Discussions [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=author%3AAutoModerator+title%3A%22Discussion%22&amp restrict_sr=on&amp include_over_18=on&amp sort=new&amp t=all). This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance. We will try daily for a week long. Remember be friendly [genuine](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8rc3jg be_genuine ) and welcoming. Please ping the mods with feedback and remember to report comments and posts that violate rules. [Q2 Earnings Official Thread](https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments 93rhl3 tesla_tsla_second_quarter_2018_results_and ).
2018-08-06 09:14:53
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Redditors I would like to apologize for my doubting. I never believed that Tesla could make it. I thought for sure their losses would get to them but it appears that I was wrong. I am sorry. Based upon last quarter s performance and their increasing revenue and ability to float their payables to suppliers I can now see that Tesla will survive to fight for many more days. As they survive longer and longer it also appears that people will be more likely to lend them the capital they need to continue to grow. I used to be certain that they would be bankrupt soon but now I can see that this is not the case. It is rare to see an apology here but I m writing one. I am sorry that I have doubted that Tesla would survive.
2018-08-06 15:01:14
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Rear HVAC - Need option to be always on if car seat in back.
Wondering if this is something that can be requested via OTA update. My rear vents (Model 3) default to off every time and I have a car seat in the back that the car knows is there. I find it incredibly annoying and rather unsafe really that this is always off unless I remember every time to turn it back on when I put my child back there. Can this default on when a child seat is back there? I assume it turns on when weight is detected normally?
2021-04-18 17:25:58
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I think this is a good idea and I don t even have kids.
2021-04-18 17:38:13
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Does a FSD price hike raise the value of a used Tesla with FSD accordingly?
Does the price of pre owned Teslas increase after a price increase to FSD? I m considering getting a pre-owned model 3 with FSD. This would be a big investment for me so I want to hold off until a) the anticipated EV incentives are enacted or b) Musk announces a price increase to FSD. If this is announced and I buy a Tesla right before it is enacted will I get an according increase to the valuation of my car when it goes through? If so do people buy Teslas when Musk announces a price increase to flip them when it goes through? Thanks
2021-04-17 13:36:47
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Nah. And the only sense in which getting a Tesla is an “investment” and not an “expense” is that the total cost of ownership of a good EV will be lower than a dinosaur burner unless you charge solely from superchargers (those rates can equate to gasoline prices on a per mile basis). Get a Tesla for the gas vs electrons arbitrage opportunity if you re thinking about this financially.
2021-04-17 13:47:27
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Adaptive cruise control question
Does it come included or do I need to ~~get~~ activate the AP module? How about for model 3 guess we don t have any information that precise yet on that. What about the S or X?
2016-11-15 16:39:26
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Yes you would need to get Enhanced AP.
2016-11-15 17:03:24
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Ascension Front Fascia Upgrade thoughts?
Have been thinking about upgrading the front fascia of my M3. The Ascension from Unplugged Performance looks great but quite pricey. Wondering if anyone is aware of any other options? Also if you have upgraded to the Ascension front fascia or a different upgrade any thoughts? Has it had a noticeable effect on energy efficiency? Or more importantly autopilot and parking sensors?
2019-11-11 14:36:25
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If the bumper improved drag or downforce I could see it as an upgrade. But it looks like it s just visual with a penalty on efficiency and warranty potentially voided.
2019-11-11 20:46:11
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Tesla Autopilot Performance
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Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus in Australia goes further?
In the US the Rear-Wheel Drive option lists the Standard Range Plus as having a range of 240mi (386.243km according to Google). [https: www.tesla.com model3 design#battery](https: www.tesla.com model3 design#battery) In AU the Rear-Wheel Drive option lists the Standard Range Plus as having a range of 460km NEDC est. (285.831mi according to Google). [https: www.tesla.com en\_AU model3 design#battery](https: www.tesla.com en_AU model3 design#battery) Is the battery pack the same and just using a different way of measuring distance or is the battery sizes different?
2019-06-02 00:13:48
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Most likely due to difference in how range is tested by the lab. The Australian NEDC range is a standard for Australia but is not very consistent with real-world driving. Tesla Australia has Worldwide harmonized Light vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP) ranges listed as well [https: www.tesla.com en\_AU support range-calculator-ref](https: www.tesla.com en_AU support range-calculator-ref) The Standard Range Plus has WLTP 415km (\~258mi)
2019-06-02 00:17:40
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How much do you think you have to make to afford a Tesla?
Just wondering what everyone s opinions are on this as I was having a discussion with my MBA friends during class about this and the markets the Model 3 opens. How much money do you think you have to make annually to buy a Model S or a Model X? $100 000? $250 000? Single vs Married? What is the customer base for these vehicles? Compare that to the Model 3 which even with the tax credits will end up being an upper middle class purchase (with the add-ons most people will get). How much more of the population-- in terms of demographics-- does the Model 3 end up hitting?
2016-04-27 00:23:28
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Income alone doesn t matter. The biggest problem with this question is that you have to know the person s debts too. Someone making $60k yr but having a large down payment and only a house payment of $1 000 month for debt to worry about can be in way better position than someone making twice that but up to their eyeballs in debt with no down payment. Lots of sliders to adjust.
2016-04-27 01:20:34
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Things I didn t realize I was missing until I drove an ICE again
So after full conversion Tesla driving for our family I have really distanced myself from everything associated with ICE vehicles. We installed 3 gigantic solar arrays in the back yard. We traded in our gas drinking monsters for 2 Tesla vehicles that run off the sun. I had to take a business trip this week to California that required the rental of a regular ICE vehicle. I hated every minute of it and through cursing and swear words composed this list while sitting in traffic southbound on 101 heading back to SFO. &amp #x200B \- driving on Autopilot and Navigate on Autopilot. \- ICE vehicles are slow to react. By that I mean you quickly forget how instant instant acceleration truly is until it s gone. \- The number of buttons and switches and knobs is simply overwhelming. \- driving an ICE car now feels like stepping back into the early 90s. \- you have to remember to turn OFF your car before you get out. \- vehicle creep. I didn t know how much I enjoyed not having it until it was back. \- you can t take your foot off the brake when stopped in traffic (see vehicle creep above) \- you call that a reverse camera? \- I counted 6 times that I first went to look for an app on my phone for my car that doesn t exist. \- the engine vibrations. I don t miss the engine vibrations. \- going to the gas station and seeing regular is $3.95 a freaking gallon. \- having to lock my car before walking away. What sort of savage do you think I am? \- brake wear. every time I put on the brakes I m hearing the pads wither away. \- driving with just one pedal. \- waving to other Tesla owners to only remember that I m in a freaking mustang. now I m that guy. &amp #x200B So I want to hear about what features you didn t realize that you couldn t live without until returning to an ICE vehicle. &amp #x200B edit: grammar creep replaced retarded with slow to react as there were a few people who didn t like my word choice :-) added auto pilot to top of list!
2019-04-10 19:22:43
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I always thought the you have to remember to turn your car OFF comments were a joke. Come on who forgets to do this? After driving my Model 3 for about 8 months I took my wife s ICE to go grab some take-out. Got the food and walked back to the car realizing I d left it there running. Whoops. Joke s on me.
2019-04-10 19:48:50
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Actual Taycan price as configured to Tesla Model S standard options
The hype is strong for a Taycan priced as $150 900 and $185 000 comparing it to Tesla. However that s not the whole story. **Mandatory options ** As soon as you go to configure your Porsche you are forced to add the Mobile Charger Connect for $1 120 and the Fixed Panoramic Roof in Glass for $1 490. So no matter what the absolute lowest price you can buy a Taycan is $153.5k before a $1 350 delivery fee. **Taycan Turbo** [https: i.imgur.com XatrTpl.png](https: i.imgur.com XatrTpl.png) As configured to the features you get standard with a $79 990 Model S base here are the options you need to add: Power folding mirrors $330 TACC $2 050 Heated Steering Wheel $280 Power charge port door $640 150kw public charging $460 Price to compare to Tesla: **$157 270** before $1 350 delivery fee. **Taycan Turbo S** [https: i.imgur.com NP5ZXGq.png](https: i.imgur.com NP5ZXGq.png) As configured to the features you get standard with a $99 990 Model S base here are the options you need to add: Power folding mirrors $330 TACC $2 050 Heated Steering Wheel $280 150kw public charging $460 Price to compare to Tesla: **$190 730** before $1 350 delivery fee. Do you need to get these options to get a Taycan? Aside from the mobile charger and the glass roof no. But when comparing to the Tesla base pricing it is disingenuous to not start at these numbers. **Some other interesting prices that people are listing as features of the Taycan:** Burmeister sound system: $5 810 extra Ceramic composite brakes $5 580 extra ($900 with the Turbo S) Massage and ventilated seats: $2 000 extra Insulated glass: $1 130 extra Passenger-side LCD screen: $1 130 extra
2019-09-08 20:49:12
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This is why I said this should by compared to the Roadster. 190k vs 200k. Oddly people said “but the roadster isn t anywhere to be found”... Uh is the Taycan? They are both to be made at a future date...
2019-09-08 21:10:59
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I started a Tesla based ride-share company! Check out what we re doing!
**UPDATE** We were recently featured in Cincinnati Magazine and they drew up this Info-Graphic that does a good job of representing the service in a nutshell. http: imgur.com fM7Oe5r At Drivr we think we re pretty special. We are confident that we ve put together the best way to get around bar none. Here s why: All Electric – All Tesla Fleet: Every one of our cars is an All Electric Tesla Model S. We aren t just saving the environment with these modern masterpiece s we re providing the quietest smoothest and most technologically advanced way to get where you need to go. Free in-car WiFi: Unlimited high speed data for all passengers. Now your clients and employees don t have to interrupt their productivity while on the move. Schedule AND On-Demand ride booking: When in Cincinnati or one of our upcoming markets our customers have the option of getting a Drivr on the fly for those times when you don t want to plan ahead. Or you can book your service in advance and take the concern out of trying to find a car when your flight lands or in those hectic moments when everyone seems to be hailing a car (and paying surge pricing!) Our website is WWW.GODRIVR.COM I d love to hear what fellow Tesla enthusiasts have to say and answer any questions that may be out there.
2015-05-28 21:34:56
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Questions: 1) Pricing? I see $2.50 mile but what about that hourly rate for errands? (Comment: there is no way I d pay someone that much to stop by and pick up my suit from the dry cleaner. I also see this as more of a tourist we got to ride in a Tesla instead of a Taxi! rather than a replacement for taxis Uber IMO.) 2) Why did you select Cincinnati and Denver as starting locations? I d expect New York Los Angeles or San Fran with this type of service. Are you expanding to those areas? 3) Charging: what are you using? 14-50 HPWC supercharger? 4) How did you work out the business costs taking into account you can t get the extended warranty? I d think there is quite a risk post 50K miles... 5) Do your cars have the executive rear seats? What other options (cold weather for back seat heaters dual chargers etc)? 6) Are drivers employees or independent contractors? 7) What are you using for the in-car Wifi? Thanks and good luck! *edit* 8) How many Teslas are in your fleet currently?
2015-05-28 22:34:40
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Friends complaining about weak ac in my model s
The ac seems fine for me as the driver but my friends and family complain saying that the ac is weak in the passenger and back seats unless it s at the max level. Is this a normal thing?
2016-07-25 16:20:43
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Always pre-cool it with your phone they won t ever complain after that.
2016-07-25 18:17:49
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Discussion: Where are batteries going to come from for Giga Austin.
Assumption 1: that Gigafactory Nevada s supply is going to be used up for Fremont production capacity + energy products. Assumption 2: that Tesla plans to match at least the production capacity of Fremont in their latest Gigafactory Austin. Question: So how exactly is Tesla planning to **double** the battery production rate of Gigafactory Nevada in 12 months? I don t see any big battery production plants going up in USA that will be able to supply on Giga Nevada s scale. So by Occam s razor could it be that Tesla s battery production system is going to be really this magical? It s absurd to think about by conventional battery industry standards.
2020-07-15 07:04:23
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We will know more during the Battery Day conference. Be patient :)
2020-07-15 10:12:54
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Lately noticing car is not getting too hot in the sun.
Was there an software update to maintain the car temperature and it is not even getting more than 95
2018-06-03 19:12:06
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Overheat protection has been an optional feature to enable since last year. Do you have it turned on?
2018-06-03 19:16:25
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The Model 3 did better in AAA pedestrian detection tests than it seems...
I recently went through the whole AAA pedestrian detection test report and saw some interesting data. Both cars that failed to stop at 20mph (Malibu and Model 3) actually detected the pedestrians far enough away to stop. For some reason the Malibu never applied emergency braking and the Model 3 always waited to brake until it was only a few feet away. If both cars simply adopted the same interval Honda has between alert and emergency braking they would ve aced the 20mph tests. I go over everything in this video: https: youtu.be tkAtRw51jGY You can read the whole AAA report and see the data for yourself here: https: www.aaa.com AAA common aar files Research-Report-Pedestrian-Detection.pdf
2019-10-13 23:02:01
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It does seem like the Model 3 could ve done better on the test if it would ve applied brakes earlier. However I personally hate it when an automatic braking system overrides me to apply emergency braking. Once this happened in my Audi and the emergency jab of the brake knocked the wind out of me and I was seeing stars. Barely regained enough vision in time to take control. If other people like this behavior make it configurable just like the warning chime. Otherwise beep at me all you want to tell me about things that could maaaaaybe be dangerous. But don t slam on the brakes unless I m for sure in trouble.
2019-10-13 23:14:55
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ALL CONFIRMED CYBERTRUCK ADD-ONS (with sources)
FULL SELF-DRIVING ($7 000*)- https: www.tesla.com cybertruck Camping Package (N A)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1197895848950026240?s=21 ATV Cyberquad (N A)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1197886803799232512?s=21 Flamethrower ($500**)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1199720951899811841?s=21 Solar Wings (N A)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1197889310550216704?s=21 Solar Roof (N A)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1197889310550216704?s=21 Steel Balls (N A)- https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1199569673832009728 Please let me know if I have missed anything and if I did leave a source too. * Price listed on website ** Past retail price
2019-11-29 06:31:31
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I m waiting for the first YouTuber to make a 12 minute video talking about cyber truck flame thrower predictions
2019-11-29 06:52:55
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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FSD development a la Karpathy
Not really new just insightful reading Karpathy s posts. Many are wondering why it is taking as long as it is to get FSD to a wider public release. I thought this quote from Karpathy was telling in his approach: “I have developed a specific process for myself that I follow when applying a neural net to a new problem [...] it builds from simple to complex and at every step of the way we make concrete hypotheses about what will happen and then either validate them with an experiment or investigate until we find some issue. What we try to prevent very hard is the introduction of a lot of “unverified” complexity at once which is bound to introduce bugs misconfigurations that will take forever to find (if ever).” It s gonna be a very gradual process. But this is definitely the right way. Tesla is lucky to have this guy developing their FSD software. [http: karpathy.github.io 2019 04 25 recipe ](http: karpathy.github.io 2019 04 25 recipe )
2021-02-15 03:12:40
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Awesome quote. In general I find doing QA on the output of algorithms super hard even without neural nets.
2021-02-15 04:55:01
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Possible future telsa employee
I just got a call back today from my application this is the single most exciting thing that has ever happened to me I get to do the career I love with an awesome company all fingers and toes crossed.
2015-04-21 03:05:36
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Good luck! I love this company and if I lived in SF or the valley it would be the first employer I would try and work for. I m in Texas and nowhere near their cousin s (SpaceX) McGregor or Brownsville sites. Oh well I guess I ll just have to keep buying stock and cheering them on! )
2015-04-21 04:30:56
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Tesla Service Experience Feedback
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120V Charging rate doubled overnight
I m currently charging my X through an extension cord with a regular 120v. Since I bought the car in Sept it s al ways charged at 3 to 4 mi hr. Recently it s been at 7 to 8 mi hr without any changes to my home. I did some math to make sure it was correct and it checks out anyone know why? (Not that I m complaining by any means)
2020-01-10 17:00:13
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Maybe your extension cord was kinked before and un-kinked now so the electrons are flowing better.
2020-01-10 19:20:31
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PSA: If you re in Southern Texas you might want to range charge before the hurricane makes landfall.
High likelihood of both residential and Supercharger power loss for more than a day or two. EDIT @ 5pm est: If you encounter Superchargers without power please report in this thread. Possible Superchargers impacted: http: i.imgur.com ySSEiBa.png
2017-08-24 20:12:43
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Thanks for the heads up dude I ll probably charge to 100% tonight
2017-08-24 22:12:05
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A little toooo much fun
Wife and I went to Vermont for the weekend to scope potential vacation homes. We drove nearly 800 total miles from our home in N. Central MA to northern VT then all over VT then back home. &amp #x200B On Saturday afternoon after going through our itinerary we headed to Stowe where we had a room booked for the night. &amp #x200B Driving on the twisty mountain roads is highly addictive and it got the best of me on one stretch. I was behind someone doing 49 in a 50 for miles and miles. Pretty boring stuff. &amp #x200B At the top of a crest he turned off and the road opened up in front of me. &amp #x200B I gave the pedal a good shove and accelerated downhill and around the bend onto a nice straight..... &amp #x200B The unassuming white SUV parked on the opposite side of the road facing me swung out and flipped on the usual set of hidden police lights. (DAMN) &amp #x200B He gets to the car and we go through the usual exchange....luckily he TOLD me he clocked me at 63 accelerating QUICKLY up to and past 70.... Had he ASKED me how fast I was going I wouldn t have been able to say. It FELT like 50...lol &amp #x200B He tells me that if my Vermont driving record is clean I d receive a written warning if it was dirty I d be getting a summons. &amp #x200B (It was clean) &amp #x200B TL DR Twisty mountain roads are super fun. P3D makes it a little tough to judge your speed accurately. Cop gave me a written warning instead of a ticket for \~20+ over. &amp #x200B as we were pulling away I told my wife that if he was going to give me a ticket I d have let him drive it for a few miles so he d understand....LOL
2018-09-10 16:01:25
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I find myself driving much faster (albeit short bursts) in Teslas than I do in my BMW M3. Something about no gears no noise makes the speed not as apparent until you look down and you see you are WELL over the limit. The acceleration is addicting but you gotta watch out because the highway patrol will get ya (and I suppose it s dangerous illegal). In case anyone is unaware you never admit what speed you were going if an officer asks you. They are trying to get you to admit fault. You just play dumb and say you were watching the road not looking down at the gauge cluster. Being respectful and polite doesn t hurt either.
2018-09-10 17:14:03
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Questions from a (possible) future employee of Tesla:
Hi folks So I recently applied for a job with Tesla got past the first interview and am getting ready for the second. After my first interview it was suggested that I become more familiar with the company its sales process and the products. Aside from reading all sorts of articles about the cars the gigafactory and Mr. Musk I d like some perspective from Tesla owners and enthusiasts. In case you re wondering about me and why I m asking you guys questions instead of experiencing a Tesla for myself here s some background: I m currently a student preparing for law school and drive a fun reliable Subaru. I ve liked cars since I was young and right now I enjoy tinkering with and (tastefully) modifying my car. Unfortunately given my current circumstances I won t be able to experience a Tesla as much as I would love to. So my questions for all of you (whether owners or simply enthusiasts) are these: **For owners drivers** 1.) What made you choose Tesla and how was the sales experience? 2.) How was your transition from gas-powered vehicles to purely electric? [Was it like The Oatmeal s where he thought the motor stalled out whenever he stopped?](http: theoatmeal.com comics tesla_model_s#intergalactic)? 3.) How do you feel personally about how well the car performs? (range handling acceleration etc.) **For everyone:** 4.) What do you think about the technology in the cars? 5.) What is your opinion about Tesla Motors in general? Thank you all in advance. Edits: Formatting
2016-01-21 16:40:42
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1) It s the best car money can buy (to me) and I could finally afford it. The combination of practicality (seats seven if you have kids! massive cargo space!) power design convenience (no more gas station stops ever!) and technology can t be beat. The fact that I m not polluting the air (at least not locally...) is a big plus too. The sales experience was pretty good. Ordering online is fantastic. My delivery specialist was occasionally not very communicative but never to the point that it was problematic. We had some paperwork trouble with the title for my trade-in which delayed things for a few days but it wasn t at all Tesla s fault and they dealt with it just fine. 2) I came from a Prius so I was already used to the silence at lower speeds. Not having a motor that sounds like it s trying to claw its way out of the car and go leap off the nearest cliff at highway speeds is certainly a big plus. 3) Handling is great in my eyes but I m far from a car guy. Acceleration is enormous. I just have an 85 but it s still amazing. When I give people rides it s something they always comment on. I m always sure to point out to them that this is the second-slowest one they make. It makes it really fun to drive and is occasionally useful too. No need to worry about merging into fast traffic on a steep uphill onramp or about being first in line for the wrong lane at a stop light. Range is adequate. More is always better but the 85 is sufficient. The only reason I d really want more range is just to add a bit of flexibility on long trips but it s fine. 99% of the time it s better than a gas car because it s always (90%) full in the morning. The 1% of the time that it s not it s still plenty good enough. 4) If you mean the fancypants instrument cluster and center touchscreen they re very nice. They re the only computer system in a car I ve seen that doesn t completely suck. There are many areas that could use some work (give us US folk Spotify!) but it s good enough to replace my phone for navigation and music almost all the time. 5) I think they re doing great work. They have some growing pains with sales and service but for the most part they re way nicer to deal with than other car companies and I really hope they succeed in the long term.
2016-01-21 19:12:39
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Tesla solar panels zero d my electric bill
Here is my usage pv production for 2019: https: imgur.com gallery Yq6IKEt My electric bills averaged to about $200 month (peak month Aug being $400). I installed Tesla solar panels (not roof v2 v3) in Apr 2018. Since then my electric bill has been 0. My city uses value of solar tariff so they give me a set rate for my PV production. This is *not* net metering. I used a zero down loan to pay for solar. The monthly payment on the loan is less than my electric bill. So I have been in the green since day 1. I also have 2 EVs (no ICE cars) and charge my cars most of the time at home. Even with this my electric bills have been 0. See if solar works for you. Maintenance ----------- Since I was an existing customer (self-referral) Tesla gave me a 25 yr warranty on my solar panels (std 20 yr). That will cover 2 inverter replacements (done every 10 yrs). For maintenance on the panels I just need to water the panels to keep it clean of dust and pollen every 2 months or so. Rebates ------- * Fed ITC Rebate: 30% (now 26%) * City Solar Rebate: 60 cents watt Tax --- Furthermore my county has a tax exemption for solar so that this will not increase my property taxes. They actually contacted me w the form and all I had to do was fill it in.
2020-01-23 12:10:05
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The important question: Where do you live? I suspect that is a major factor in zeroing out. The silly question: Water the panels? Does it not rain there? It s nigh impossible for me to get to my roof safely (south exposure is 3 stories) so that would be a deal breaker for me.
2020-01-23 12:35:33
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Issues with Tesla Energy Installation
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Anyone had a Powerwall fail? Geothermal estimator said Powerwalls are a service nightmare.
I had someone out to the house today to give me some estimates on HVAC upgrades hopefully to geothermal. Through conversation we got talking about Tesla Powerwalls. He said they ve been a service nightmare because Tesla suddenly decides they aren t supporting the previous version of Powerwalls once a new version comes out. He also said he has a friend in a different state that sold and installed 200 Powerwalls and now all his customers hate him because of service issues. Anyone had this experience where a Powerwall dies and you are stuck with either a big repair bill or a huge paperweight?
2019-10-31 16:07:25
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He probably have higher margins on battery packs from some other brand. Like when car dealers tell you that the EV version have so much issues and limitations but look how nice this Diesel one is...
2019-10-31 22:26:14
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Issues with Tesla Energy Installation
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Daily Discussion Question and Answer Experiences and Support Thread
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2021-05-14 10:00:13
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What s the difference between software and firmware ?
2021-05-14 15:45:35
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Speculation: How will V3 Supercharging change electricity prices and charging methodology?
Here at a Supercharger thinking thoughts... https: www.tesla.com blog introducing-v3-supercharging Right now Superchargers charge: 1. $0.24-$0.28 per kWh 2. (Usually) $0.13 or $0.26 a minute. Given the fact that V3 architecture will take years to upgrade every single global supercharger to V3 how will this change price when we have critical mass for V3? Faster speeds mean the per minute charge can become costly for Tesla since that amount charged would (presumably) remain unchanged but the amount of electricity being filed out increases. The kWh charge would make more sense as the de facto measurement (unless Tesla wants to pull a Nikola Tesla and start giving away free electricity). Would that charge increase decrease or remain unchanged? Any other thoughts as Supercharging gets faster and faster?
2019-11-02 23:56:18
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You are over thinking it. The sites that charge by kWh don t need to do anything. The sites that charge by time can modify pricing.
2019-11-03 02:10:09
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Tesla Supercharger Road Trips
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2021 will be even better than 2020 and then add Gigafactory Berlin in 2022
Tesla has proven that it can: - Grow at an exponential rate ( [Model T Production Ramp](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Ford_Model_T#Price_and_production) - [Model 3 ramps beats it](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Tesla_Model_3#Deliveries)) - Increase production while reducing costs (Surprise Q3 profit - cost reduction was not Priced In ) - Go Global (Gigafactory Shanghai built in 10 months - 2 more months to 1000 cars week rate with 1 6 day - 10 hour shifts) - Give accurate Forecasts - needed to judge growth companies (Nailed it - predicted Deliveries 2 Quarters out) And the real money on Wall Street seems to be in agreement - TSLA - $454 share Intraday High - All Time High Beyond this it is anyones call but I strongly believe Tesla s unique mission will allow it to expand into the entrenched Global Automobile Market as possibly an OEM for EV subsystems drivetrain batteries Integration Platforms Recharging Network Patent Sharing Autonomy Platform. With a negotiated profit margin on all inequitable partnership say 10-30% or more. Tesla behaves differently because it wants more than to return shareholder value but to transition everyone to clean transport. Lets see if Tesla s leadership in EVs pays off in ways that benefit everyone in the long term. TL DR Tesla(#3) has proven it can compete with the big boys [Market cap within $19 Billion of VAG(#2) confirms (22%)](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1HflVng6sYIb6Gs4pOKiDGtqU5YJ2-hgdM4pRNaT62gs edit#gid=1052727546).
2020-01-03 20:48:44
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GF Berlin will be ready before 2022.
2020-01-03 21:24:23
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Tesla please don t take away our cell service for media playback! (also Amazon Video and Disney+)
I m willing to pay extra for it if need be. I use it almost daily while sitting (for up to 1.5 hours) in the car line for my kids school. My kids love watching videos like those from SmarterEveryDay. My son especially loves space and rockets. We ve already watched many launch replays ISS tours mission overviews etc. We ve learned many things from how engines work to how viruses infect cells. Being in a confined space together means I can pause the videos and we can talk about them without distraction also using the sketchpad to draw diagrams and whatnot. When I m waiting to pick them up I can watch grown-up stuff. It gives me a chance to catch up on shows and movies I ve missed. With the fantastic sound system it s almost like a theater experience. I love it! I m saying all this because I very rarely use superchargers as I charge at home so my media consumption in the car is otherwise very limited. I assume this is the case for many others as well. Oh Amazon Prime Video and Disney+ would also be great additions. Thanks to you and your team for making such an awesome car! It s the best thing I ve ever purchased.
2019-10-17 14:44:51
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Holy shit. You wait in line for up to an hour and a half to pick your kids up at school?
2019-10-17 14:49:44
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18,309
Any roof bars racks and or cargo boxes on Model 3 yet?
I m going from an S85 to a P3D and the Model 3 is an upgrade in just about every way except for cargo space. I am looking to put a 12-15cu ft box on the roof only for the long trips to counter the loss of space from the S. Has anyone put one on yet? I don t see any that specifically fit but maybe someone has attached a universal fit setup onto their 3.....
2018-07-22 16:57:37
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https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-3-roof-rack-options.106309
2018-07-22 17:14:35
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Hitch Bike Rack Review
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Stickied CT list
Can we get a stickied CT location list for the showrooms that have it? Less posts and probably more helpful for people.
2023-11-26 12:53:48
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This source shows more upcoming locations: https: abettertheater.com cybertruck.html
2023-11-26 16:58:57
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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Tesla Daily Discussion - December 07 2018
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2018-12-07 09:11:57
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A bunch of us received a text from Tesla last night: &gt Congrats! We expect your Tesla to be ready between 12 20-12 31 before the federal tax credit ends. Please be available during this timeframe to ensure on-time delivery. That sure is cutting it close. I m excited for Christmas though!
2018-12-07 12:55:54
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Non Owner Online got VIN
Got my invite on Feb 28 but dint notice until Mar 2 and ordered it. Midnight silver 19 inch. San diego
2018-03-22 15:09:24
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This is BS. I m going to make Elon take me on date the next time he decides to fuck me.
2018-03-22 15:27:10
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Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences
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Is 35k as cheap as the initial Tesla team intended their super-affordable third generation electric to be?
Like obviously it s unique well received and cheap in a way inconceivable for electric cars 10 or 15 years ago but the idea of luxury car first then nice car then a ubiquitous cheap one seems to be the intuitive interpretation of Musk s famous quote about the company s initial goals. With that in mind does the Model 3 achieve that? Is 35 000 mission accomplished ?
2017-08-10 21:22:19
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Yes that s pretty much the average price of a car in the USA. When you account for the lower operating costs it makes it that much less expensive.
2017-08-10 21:32:25
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
9,847
Can you buy a shiny branded 18650 cell?
Every time a news article mentions anything about Tesla s batteries they have that same image: a cupped hand with a shiny silver 18650 with the Tesla name across it. It looks great! But they don t use such fancy packaging on their actual cells (right?) so I assume these are demo cells to show off. Can they be bought anywhere? I d love to have one as a paper weight conversation starter. I could use it in a flashlight too but honestly I d be happy if it was just a dummy cell.... I suspect a lot of owners and fans would also buy one. Anyone know?
2017-05-26 13:53:36
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I d like a branded 2170
2017-05-26 17:31:08
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Tesla Battery Production Optimization
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Printing a bunch of these to give away at the National Drive Electric Week event in Virginia Beach
You can print your own if you are really that interested: [https: www.thingiverse.com thing:3592518](https: www.thingiverse.com thing:3592518) [There are approximately 50 Tesla owners RSVP ed. I ll probably make around 30 to try to give away.](https: preview.redd.it htz5ig47ctm31.jpg?width=4032&amp format=pjpg&amp auto=webp&amp s=10e1eb84ebd39ff07ea5e0295ed0fe99657f7406) [Adding a few layers of polyurethane because it makes them really shiny. I like really shiny.](https: preview.redd.it 601ka4q6ctm31.jpg?width=4032&amp format=pjpg&amp auto=webp&amp s=550be23440c0ee88398b706ec9e0c14f42a7d1b3) [Two Prusa MK3S printers working for a couple of weeks. Each sign takes around 2 hours.](https: preview.redd.it w4e54a43dtm31.jpg?width=3024&amp format=pjpg&amp auto=webp&amp s=4ae6f25a0e65b3b2b8c38add1e5fd43c1ea32412) Event details: [https: driveelectricweek.org event.php?eventid=2071](https: driveelectricweek.org event.php?eventid=2071)
2019-09-15 20:01:35
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Great so when I show up with my Chevy Volt I will want a Model 3 even more...See you next weekend!
2019-09-15 21:03:45
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Except for its affordability what feature will Model 3 have that the other Tesla models don t have ?
The model S has the giant touch screen and the retractable door handles that the Roadster doesn t have. The model X has the falcon wings and the biohazard air filters that the model S doesn t have. I can t imagine that Elon Musk will unveil the Model 3 without « one more thing » a la Steve Jobs if I may say that will set it apart from the other Tesla cars. What do you think it will be ?
2015-12-07 20:51:37
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Affordability is the new big feature.
2015-12-07 21:37:13
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Weekly Investing Thread
This will post every Monday (EST) at 6AM. Use this thread to comment your own investor links during the week. This thread is specifically intended for TSLA related posts. This thread is meant only for casual discussion regarding TSLA stock. This thread should **not** be construed as investment advice or guidance.
2017-05-22 11:13:27
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As I get the time I m gonna be going through this lengthy report predicting massive changes in transportation going up to 2030 from an economist (but I don t hold that against him): https: static1.squarespace.com static 585c3439be65942f022bbf9b t 591a2e4be6f2e1c13df930c5 1494888038959 RethinkX+Report_051517.pdf
2017-05-22 17:00:58
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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What I learned about buying a Tesla in a state where Tesla has no dealer license. (Texas)
Just some things I learned while getting my Tesla that might be helpful to others. I m in Texas a state where Tesla has no dealer license and that results in some slight differences in the purchase experience 1) Your car has to be fully funded to Tesla before they will put it on a truck. This means you will not be allowed to bring any money to the delivery appointment. 2) It is better to pay your part before the finance company sends their part to Tesla. If you beat the finance company you can use ACH (initiates from Tesla s web site). If you wait until after your finance company has paid them then you will have to use wire (with a wire fee from the sending bank) or send a cashiers check (slow). You don t have to pay your part right away. Just ask the finance company when they will get the funds to Tesla and beat that. 3) There really is no option for Tesla to arrange financing for you. If you choose that option when ordering the web site just suggests a finance company they work with. I was told by a showroom rep (although I don t necessarily believe it) that it is better to choose ‘arrange my own financing because the order won t get hung at some black hole financing step which they can t do for you.
2019-06-06 22:10:50
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I purchased in Texas as well - this all sounds about right! However I found out later that they shipped my car a few days before it was fully funded. I imagine that it would ve just be reassigned to someone else had I not paid the remainder.
2019-06-07 02:01:01
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Tesla Financing Options
22,436
Buying a used Model S
OK everyone I m taking the plunge and going to buy a used model S. I m looking at a 60 model. Is there anything that I should look out for? I ll be buying from a dealer… The mileage is around 50 000 miles. Which means I should still have a warranty since it s a 2013 model. Thoughts? Comments? I was holding out for a model 3 but the timeline of the reservations is just too long in the lease on my leaf is running out. For model S 60 owners what kind of mileage do you guys normally get?
2017-12-03 01:48:12
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The bumper to bumper warranty ends at 50k miles so you ll only get the battery warranty on the one you listed. My 2013 S60 charges to 196 at 100%. It was at 198 when I first got her in February 2017... and she has just over 60k miles now.
2017-12-03 03:18:27
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Tesla Model 3 Ownership Experiences
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Tesla Tire Rotation
Anybody get their tires rotated by tesla service? How much do they charge? I know you re suppose to do it every 6250 miles.
2017-02-11 13:21:29
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Free. Every 5000 miles
2017-02-11 15:42:07
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Model Y Wheel Options
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If you are unhappy about some of the UI changes in V9 SPEAK UP! Here s a list of ways to submit feedback.
V9 is here. Lots of good (speed improvements for MCU1). Lots of bad (Loss of ability to split screen two apps at once beyond maps and something else). If you have a Model S X this is a pretty major change not so much for Model 3. There s been a ton of discussion about the loss of ability to put the camera at the top and media at the bottom or really anything at the top besides maps. This update is heavily focused on navigation at the expense of the other apps. If you are unhappy about the changes here is how you can submit feedback. (Also these are listed in this subreddit sidebar) [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Also if you are a current owner (and you really only should be submitting feedback if you are) you can log into your myTesla account on the Tesla website click on your car and fill out the support form there to submit comments about V9. Finally you can submit in the car by pressing the voice command button and saying Bug report and then making your comments. The user experience can be shaped by customer feedback. If you are unhappy about things let them know. If you love certain things let them know. Feedback will help them make a better product for everyone.
2018-10-07 18:21:23
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Please edit out the unrelated emails. We are creating more work for their support team flagging these emails and moving them to their correct departments. Customer Support handles all of that so contact them only. The correct email should be [email protected]
2018-10-07 18:28:41
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Tesla Software Updates Overview
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Evo X MR trade to Model 3
I ve got a 2012 Lancer Evo X MR with about 74 000 miles on it and am thinking about trading it in for a new or user Model 3 AWD. From looking over the Model 3 specs it should have faster acceleration from 0-60. How does the Model 3 AWD handle in snow? I live in Michigan so we get snow and ice on the roads in the winter. The only thing I m concerned about with the change is that the closest Tesla Super Charger is about a 20 minute drive. Also I live in a Condo so not sure what I ll need to go through in order to install a home charger there. I should be able to get about $17 400 for a direct trade-in to Tesla so I should only need to finance about $30 000 to $32 000 for the auto loan. Do you guys think it s a good change or would you keep the Evo for a little longer before trading it in for a Model 3?
2019-10-11 15:19:10
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Superchargers have started to get pretty congested (I do live in SoCal). I personally would not be comfortable knowing I needed to charge 20 minutes away as my primary source. I d talk to HOA and figure out what your options are for home based charging and see if you could make it work.
2019-10-11 15:21:54
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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Why aren t travel centers installing electric chargers yet?
We are already planning for the model 3 to be our next car but we do a lot of interstate driving. For example Dallas to Atlanta . I know the superchargers are available along the gulf coast I-10 route but I wonder why we haven t seen some kind of chargers installed at existing service centers like Buckees or Loves or Racetrack? Is the technology protected or have the petro fuel centers just not taken an interest yet? Seems like they would be highly incented to give away free or low cost electric charging while we spend 30 minutes at their center.
2015-09-30 12:50:08
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Where is the incentive? The cost to install is going to be much higher than the revenue generated at this point. Until there is a larger EV adoption rate there s just no reason for them to spend the cash.
2015-09-30 13:09:20
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Tesla Supercharger Road Trips
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Sentry Mode Needs Remote Viewing ASAP
My car is currently parked at the airport (and plugged into a ChargePoint station) and I just got an alarm triggered notification from sentry mode on my phone. Queue the anxiety of what has happened to my car until I return tomorrow evening and can pull the USB to look at the video. All this amazing tech in the car and we still can t remote view? Does anyone know if Tesla is actively working on this?
2019-06-11 19:38:33
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Cell bandwidth is still expensive so Tesla is not likely working on it. Perhaps someone will extend the raspberry pi storage project to work with a cell hotspot.
2019-06-11 19:45:37
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Issues with Sentry Mode
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Just stumbled on this interesting thing: JDapter an adapter for other EVs to use Tesla slow chargers
Here is the link (they apparently have a kickstarter but it s not yet online it seems): https: jdapter.quickchargepower.com I think the style of the page is obnoxious it looked like some sort of scam shady thing until I read this: &gt Again it is NOT possible to use the Tesla Supercharger DC charging network. Yes Tesla vehicles can use CHAdeMO DC charging equipment with a Tesla supplied adaptor. No we will never build such an adaptor even if we could bypass the Tesla security measures (we can t). The use of the Supercharger network is entirely controlled by Tesla Motors. At any rate what do others think about this? Seems like a good thing for EV adoption I think.
2016-09-24 22:27:50
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I really want one but $200 is silly.
2016-09-25 02:03:39
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Tesla Supercharger Road Trips
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What would happen to a Tesla made car in an area subjected to an Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP) ?
https: www.wired.com 2012 02 massive-solar-flare https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Solar_storm_of_1859 https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Electromagnetic_pulse
2017-06-09 16:03:15
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The same thing that would happen to any other consumer vehicle it would kill the car.
2017-06-09 16:22:24
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Future of Electric Cars
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Why in the world do the mirrors fold out when you unplug the charger? Completely unnecessary:
Every morning when I go to my car I wake it up by lightly pressing on the rear left door handle. Once it s awake I unplug the charger at which point the car unlocks and the mirrors fold out. In the 10-15 seconds it takes for me to walk across the garage and hang up the charger the car locks itself beeps and the mirrors fold back in. Then I open the driver s door and the mirrors fold back out again. It may seem inconsequential to most but that s at least an extra 600+ mirror folding actions per year or more! **In my opinion the mirrors should stay folded in until the driver s door is opened.**
2019-10-28 12:53:40
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Because the charger is locked when the car is locked. To unplug the charger the car unlocks which unfolds the mirrors. I agree they should adjust the timing though.
2019-10-28 14:16:08
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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New update screwed up my auto present doors and auto locking.
After the new update the valet doors work like 50% of the time and the car never auto locks when I walk away... even worse I will triple click to lock it and then watch the mirrors fold and lock and everything and then I will look on the app a little while later and the car will be unlocked.
2017-09-02 02:29:56
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You sure you haven t left your extra key fob in the car? You are describing almost exactly what happens when you do that.
2017-09-02 03:15:12
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Model 3 phone key issues
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[Discussion] I need a formula or method for ranking an EV rally
This Tesla or EV rally would cover a distance of at least several hundred miles. It would require charging stops. If Tesla only it would touch Supercharger stops as waypoints. It has to factor the best time with the best efficiency. If the sole criteria is efficiency hypermilers would win but they would crawl to the finish. It would be a boring race. If speed sprinting it would be at the expense of efficiency. What is a beautiful formula for ranking an EV rally that scores a balance of speed and efficiency?
2019-02-05 08:44:01
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You could maybe try a TSD type rally time speed distance rallying is essentially where you have to complete a stage in an exact time and penalties are awarded for either going too fast or too slow. Maybe if you re finishing stage is at a known rapid supercharging spot the last stage can be a sprint. TSD rallies sound super boring but it s actually a quite fun mix of technical driving alternative route planning and communication with your co-driver. Edit: autocorrect
2019-02-05 10:07:30
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Tesla Supercharger Road Trips
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Proper Super Charging etiquette
I m on the wait list for late 2018 for a model 3. This will be my first EV Tesla. I m wondering the proper super charger etiquette. I don t want to piss anyone off if I do something wrong. Any tips?
2018-06-14 16:25:40
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Also kind of like urinals in a bathroom don t park right next to someone if there are other open spots.
2018-06-14 16:41:26
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Tesla Supercharger Road Trips
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FSD subscription
For when the FSD subscription rolls out do you think it would only be available to people who already have HW3 because let s say I have a HW2.5 car and I want FSD for a month and I get the subscription for 200 or whatever it costs most likely that price would be under the amount it costs Tesla to install HW3 in a car. So do you think they will offer you to get HW3 for whatever it costs Tesla to do or with the subscription only be available to people with HW3? Thanks
2020-12-30 08:07:11
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I think they will start to offer paid upgrades to HW3. Then you will be able to subscribe. Probably the subscriptions will start for current HW3 only.
2020-12-30 15:18:55
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Tesla Autopilot Performance
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If anyone is looking at used cars from Tesla I just was offered 2.34% rate for my loan from Tesla (Chase).
Used model 3 LR RWD. Hopefully I will pick it up soon! I m super excited about the car (and that interest rate)! Edit for curiosity: 2018 22k miles $40 200 before downpayment 60 month term CA
2020-06-04 21:39:57
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Congrats. This is an amazing rate. They gave us 2.8% for a 834 credit score. Luckily the Insurance gave us a large sum for our totaled BRZ which we used to pay off our Tesla Model 3. Fortunately we recorded the accident or it would be harder to get the money. We documented the accident and the pay off https: youtu.be o8RuHrH7_eA
2020-06-04 23:00:24
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Tesla Financing Options
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[Discussion] Question About Space in 6 Seat X
I have a 6 seater on order and was wondering how much space there is from the 2nd row moved all the way up to the tailgate. Also when the 2nd row buckets are all the way forward and tilted for Max space will the x let me drive?
2018-01-06 23:15:12
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It s the roadster that is going to space not the X
2018-01-07 02:32:12
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Model 3 Seat Impressions
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Motorcyclists pulled my mirror backwards
Heading from las vegas to la &amp a giant group of motorcyclists try to pass in between me &amp semi truck on the line while in autopilot had no clue they were coming from behind &amp the first motorcyclists pulls my mirror forward in the opposite direction of the way it s supposed to fold not sure why they had to pass in between me &amp a semi truck logically one would wait till there was a gap next to the semi just watch out for these type of guys thank you for reading my rant
2019-08-25 20:32:32
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Generally speaking bikers are jerks. That s why you see them do shit like this. Between their obnoxiously loud and polluting bikes and their their entitlement attitude they are hands down the worse group.
2019-08-25 20:50:06
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Tesla Autopilot Performance
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Looking to buy and have a few questions.
So my fiance is not convinced about the quality of the interior and technology of a Model 3 vs say a BMW 5 Series. The 5 series is going to be bigger and more roomy and she believes the technology available and perks will be on par or better with the Model 3 for same price or cheaper. She also thinks the interior in the Model 3 was lackluster. She s in furniture as a career and so is very critical on that regard. I m trying to dial back being a fanboy and see if I can convince her. SO! What are some good selling points for converting someone from the more traditional luxury vehicles to a Tesla Model 3?
2019-06-28 15:46:20
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Biggest point for me is charging at home you don t have to stop at gas stations again. And the performance is awesome definitely a step above my bmw 428 xdrive. Biggest cons for me are absence of Apple car play bird view parking assist and added inconvience if a road trip come up. But I don t plan to use my 3 for that. Keep in mind that to get all the bells and whistles on a BMW you will be in price range of the S or may be the Y if you can wait
2019-06-28 15:51:57
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Tesla Model 3 Ownership Experiences
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Water Leak in A-Pillar
We had a rainstorm today that dumped about an inch of rain throughout the day. I had my S parked in a flat lot and when I got in I noticed water near the door sill. I did some looking around and found that my entire A-pillar was soaked. I checked all of the drain channels that I could find and didn t see anything that looked plugged and when I opened the roof I didn t see any water pooled anywhere. Certain leaks seem common and I have had sunroof leaks in ICE vehicles. Is there a common thing to look for? Herea short video of the leak: https: vimeo.com 285208125?ref=em-share
2018-08-16 02:44:11
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I don t own a Tesla now but I had this same issue with my current car. I think it s possibly a drain hose backed up or clogged that runs from the inside edge of sunroof and along insider of pillar. I think you were already onto it and I d check or have that drain line blown clear.
2018-08-16 02:58:31
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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Dumb question incoming: A C recirc and defrost
Hi Team Tesla! We all have those common knowledge things we should know but never found out and then it got too late to ask. Please take it easy on me I come with humility here s mine: Summer day 80 degrees out and the windows fog up. Should I be using the cold defrost or heated defrost? Is there a reason there s a cold hot front windshield defrost but only a hot rear windshield side mirror defrost? Seems like a rookie question but this ties into when it s super humid out (post pre rain) - when the bottom third of the windshield gets those little condensation circles what should I use then? Secondly air recirculation. Does anybody constantly keep it on or keep it off always due to specific reasons? I don t know when to turn it on and when not to. Additionally how does keeping it on or keeping it off impact range? I imagine one is working *slightly* harder than the other is this assumption correct? Thanks for the input!
2019-06-29 01:59:59
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The answer is actually pretty simple and not Tesla specific. Don t feel bad most people really don t know this either. Your front defrost is just regular vents just like the ones pointing at your face. When you turn on your defrost what you are really doing is turning on your air conditioning. Before the air comes out of your dash it is directed through different chambers depending on what you have it set to. Defrost takes advantage of a side effect of how A C works- A C uses something called an evaporator core to inject and expand refrigerant changing it from a liquid to a vapor as it boils inside of the evaporator core. This changing of states from liquid to vapor removes heat from the air that passes through it. By removing the heat from the air it also removes moisture- the stuff sticking to your window. So this is your front defrost. It doesn t matter TOO much whether you have it set to Hot or Cold (although matching the outside temp is the quickest)- it primarily works because it is blowing dry air at your windshield and removing the additional moisture in the air. Your REAR defrost does not have climate vents to move air so uses direct heat to remove the moisture. The lines you see on your rear window are actually just long lines of wire with just enough resistance to electricity to convert that electricity to heat. (And some of those lines are often antennas but this is unrelated to your question.) As far as your recirculation- this switches the source of the air coming out of your vents. It will pull air from outside the vehicle until you turn on the recirculation then it will pull the air from inside the car near your floorboards. Recirculation is mainly valuable if it is REALLY hot cold outside since you are warming or cooling only the air already inside your car. If you are using your A C without recirculation it has to continuously cool down new air pulled from outside. Now Range- recirculation will only very very minorly affect range since all it is doing is moving a flap of plastic to use air from inside your car vs. outside. If it is SUPER hot your A C will run *a little bit* more if you are NOT using recirculation. So- recirculation uses inside air and doesn t really affect range. Air Conditioning Defrost DOES affect your range since it uses energy to run another accessory (your compressor). Let me know if you would like me to clarify anything or if you have any other questions!
2019-06-29 02:28:49
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Tesla Climate Control Issues
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Let s share our Thanksgiving dinner table discussions relating to Tesla. I know I talked to my relatives about Tesla and Elon and got some interesting responses.
In-law: He s a charlatan because he takes govt money. Uncle: EVs don t help the environment because solar panels are not efficient enough to make economic sense for the average household so electricity is still generated by coal. Also he says coal and natural gas are cheaper to produce than solar. Cousin: I pre-ordered a Model 3! :D So what were your relatives like? I was debating my uncle for quite a while until my Uncle started getting really intense and then I kind of backed off.
2017-11-25 01:27:14
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I ate thanksgiving dinner by myself and read a book. It was lovely.
2017-11-25 01:52:09
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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Rumors surrounding PUP aftermarket
Anyone have anything updated rumors or otherwise talking to the service centers about what its going to look like for us P3D(-) folks? I know everyone else is still worried about delivery so sorry for whining but I want to know the deal here. Really its just for the brakes and track mode for Willow Springs runs! We haven t heard anything since the Elon rumor network on twitter. Hopefully something soon!
2018-09-22 05:37:59
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That s not PUP. Everyone has PUP premium upgrade package. That s the roof seats audio etc.
2018-09-22 11:39:55
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Miscellaneous Tesla Topic
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2022 Model X 7-Seater All weather floor mats
Does anyone know if all weather floor mats are available for the refreshed 2022 model X? Nothing on Tesla shop Tesmanian Weather Tech Amazon etc. looking for a complete set including second and third row floor mats. Should I assume I need to wait another year ?
2022-07-04 21:50:38
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I bought a really nice set on amazon. Will edit with link. Edit: TOUGHPRO Floor Mats Accessories... https: www.amazon.com dp B09RLPFZRD?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
2022-07-05 03:45:01
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Model 3 Seats
I haven t seen much discussion about the seats in the Model 3. Questions I have: * Do you think the Model 3 have the same premium seat options found in the Model S X? * Do you think the white seats will make it into the Model 3? * Do you think the Model 3 will have power seating? * Do you think the Model 3 will have heated seats? I know no one here has the answers but I m curious about what you think.
2017-03-26 15:21:44
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Decided to do a little bit of sleuthing. The Model 3 betas have [heated seat options on the center screen](http: imgur.com IzEezRH). No guarantee that will be standard but I hope so for a car at this price point. Also found a shot of the [power seat controls](http: imgur.com 2eEKQJF) on the passenger seat of the Model 3. I didn t expect them to be manual but a part of me was a little worried how much they may strip away on the Model 3 to cut costs. Edit: [Here s a pic](http: imgur.com 2xCcArX) I made comparing all of the Model S s seat designs over the years. And [here s a pic of the Model 3 seats](http: imgur.com MVUcR5Q) which apparently are a new design entirely if you compare the stitching. But these were the beta prototypes which means these could have just been temporary seats (much like the temporary steering wheel).
2017-03-26 16:10:56
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Model 3 Seat Impressions
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