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ldso4o | [Update] Does it make sense to buy used? | Hi everyone. A few days ago I made a post regarding the financial difference between a used 2019 m3 vs a new 2021 m3. Y all gave me plenty of great advice. We went to our scheduled test drive and ended up going .... wait for .... a New Tesla Y AWD sans FSD. We didn t get a lot of time to try it out but from our brief trial it wasn t worth the 10k. Maybe one day if I have a ton of money to throw at it. They had a few units exactly the way we wanted in an upcoming shipment. I m honestly really surprised that we went with the model Y. I knew it existed but really had my heart set on a 3 and hadn t even considered it. We test drove it on a whim since it was there. I still like the three more and would have gotten a 3AWD-P but the Y seemed more functional. Plus my s o really preferred the Y. Thanks again. | what_an_ass | 2021-02-06 07:47:56 | 43 | gm8gkm6 | Own both. My wife loves the Y I like driving the 3. My kids hate both because I don t let them drive either (-: | Unplugthecar | 2021-02-06 14:48:33 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ldso4o | [Update] Does it make sense to buy used? | Hi everyone. A few days ago I made a post regarding the financial difference between a used 2019 m3 vs a new 2021 m3. Y all gave me plenty of great advice. We went to our scheduled test drive and ended up going .... wait for .... a New Tesla Y AWD sans FSD. We didn t get a lot of time to try it out but from our brief trial it wasn t worth the 10k. Maybe one day if I have a ton of money to throw at it. They had a few units exactly the way we wanted in an upcoming shipment. I m honestly really surprised that we went with the model Y. I knew it existed but really had my heart set on a 3 and hadn t even considered it. We test drove it on a whim since it was there. I still like the three more and would have gotten a 3AWD-P but the Y seemed more functional. Plus my s o really preferred the Y. Thanks again. | what_an_ass | 2021-02-06 07:47:56 | 43 | gm7syrv | Welcome to the Tesla Family! You ll like it here. I m also looking at potentially upgrading from my 2018 Model 3 to a Model Y probably next year. Largely because I think the higher seating position may be nice but I m waiting to do any test drives until I can actually afford the upgrade heh. | coredumperror | 2021-02-06 09:12:41 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ldso4o | [Update] Does it make sense to buy used? | Hi everyone. A few days ago I made a post regarding the financial difference between a used 2019 m3 vs a new 2021 m3. Y all gave me plenty of great advice. We went to our scheduled test drive and ended up going .... wait for .... a New Tesla Y AWD sans FSD. We didn t get a lot of time to try it out but from our brief trial it wasn t worth the 10k. Maybe one day if I have a ton of money to throw at it. They had a few units exactly the way we wanted in an upcoming shipment. I m honestly really surprised that we went with the model Y. I knew it existed but really had my heart set on a 3 and hadn t even considered it. We test drove it on a whim since it was there. I still like the three more and would have gotten a 3AWD-P but the Y seemed more functional. Plus my s o really preferred the Y. Thanks again. | what_an_ass | 2021-02-06 07:47:56 | 43 | gm8vz2r | Going with what your significant other wants is usually the best choice! | Delirium101 | 2021-02-06 17:05:11 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ldso4o | [Update] Does it make sense to buy used? | Hi everyone. A few days ago I made a post regarding the financial difference between a used 2019 m3 vs a new 2021 m3. Y all gave me plenty of great advice. We went to our scheduled test drive and ended up going .... wait for .... a New Tesla Y AWD sans FSD. We didn t get a lot of time to try it out but from our brief trial it wasn t worth the 10k. Maybe one day if I have a ton of money to throw at it. They had a few units exactly the way we wanted in an upcoming shipment. I m honestly really surprised that we went with the model Y. I knew it existed but really had my heart set on a 3 and hadn t even considered it. We test drove it on a whim since it was there. I still like the three more and would have gotten a 3AWD-P but the Y seemed more functional. Plus my s o really preferred the Y. Thanks again. | what_an_ass | 2021-02-06 07:47:56 | 43 | gm8jh4k | Y is a good choice and FSD is so expensive now that I don t think anyone who skipped it is regretting it. If I had to replace my 3 the Y would be a serious contender but I do enough long-distance driving the extra range on a 3 would make a real difference. | TerriersAreAdorable | 2021-02-06 15:16:39 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
bomky1 | [Update] Tesla Customer Support responded to me regarding Model 3 SR+ to SR downgrade refund and what features I would lose (email screenshot) | original post: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bgip1h tesla_customer_support_responded_to_me_regarding After my last response about the downgrade I asked for clarification since the prior email indicated I would lose features I did not even have. Here is the response I finally got today: https: i.imgur.com Dl8rpVK.png Bottom line: Looks like I can downgrade months after purchase and the only things I lose are heated seats and 10% range. | utopic2 | 2019-05-14 18:25:34 | 27 | enia6h5 | They did not say anything about disabling immersive sound ? (even though it doesnt even do anything in the SR+...) & #x200B Nothing about fog lights either too huh? | rogahsun | 2019-05-14 19:46:51 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
bomky1 | [Update] Tesla Customer Support responded to me regarding Model 3 SR+ to SR downgrade refund and what features I would lose (email screenshot) | original post: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bgip1h tesla_customer_support_responded_to_me_regarding After my last response about the downgrade I asked for clarification since the prior email indicated I would lose features I did not even have. Here is the response I finally got today: https: i.imgur.com Dl8rpVK.png Bottom line: Looks like I can downgrade months after purchase and the only things I lose are heated seats and 10% range. | utopic2 | 2019-05-14 18:25:34 | 27 | enif56v | This still seems kind of unofficial uncertain. Someone mentioned that they were told by someone in Tesla that there should be a downgrade button somewhere in the account (maybe that was you?). Do you know if that is still supposed to be coming? Hopefully this all gets straightened out by then. Also at one point I thought there was a new table showing that SR cars actually would be having heated seats. I would have guessed that streaming and live traffic maps etc would all be getting added onto SR+ cars but now it seems like they re trying to stop building the SR level. | GustoB | 2019-05-14 20:17:16 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ec9oua | [Update]: 3LR FSD CPU upgrade complete. | Posted earlier here https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments e76mgn 3lr_getting_hw3_upgrade_1212_vin_9xxx ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf Key takeaways: * if your model 3 is older then they have to re solder the wiring harness. This is not a one hour job. * on newer cars this is a 2hr installation * I was not able to keep the old CPU but I was told if I bought FSD AFTER initial purchase it might be possible. * FSD visualization: I m now seeing cones but something brand new is seeing the car models turn when they actually turn. I ve never seen that before. (It always showed models facing forward or brakes first). EDIT: they definitely turned before but it was very jerky and they would oscillate between rear and side positions when turning. This is much more buttery smooth * they have to factory reset after the HW upgrade. This means all your driver profiles and settings are gone. * it was $0. Other than this the car is pretty amazing as usual! | aarontj | 2019-12-18 08:00:38 | 75 | fba0los | I have HW 2.5 and I see some cars turning on my visualization—especially if they re in the opposite late and they re turning left in front of me. | TheNocturnalTexan | 2019-12-18 08:37:22 | 22 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
ec9oua | [Update]: 3LR FSD CPU upgrade complete. | Posted earlier here https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments e76mgn 3lr_getting_hw3_upgrade_1212_vin_9xxx ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf Key takeaways: * if your model 3 is older then they have to re solder the wiring harness. This is not a one hour job. * on newer cars this is a 2hr installation * I was not able to keep the old CPU but I was told if I bought FSD AFTER initial purchase it might be possible. * FSD visualization: I m now seeing cones but something brand new is seeing the car models turn when they actually turn. I ve never seen that before. (It always showed models facing forward or brakes first). EDIT: they definitely turned before but it was very jerky and they would oscillate between rear and side positions when turning. This is much more buttery smooth * they have to factory reset after the HW upgrade. This means all your driver profiles and settings are gone. * it was $0. Other than this the car is pretty amazing as usual! | aarontj | 2019-12-18 08:00:38 | 75 | fbab9hc | When you say if your model 3 is older they have to re solder the wiring harness. Any more clarity there as far as what older means? My M3 LR RWD is mid-2018 is that older? Any way to find out? | 1960vegan | 2019-12-18 12:40:18 | 15 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
ec9oua | [Update]: 3LR FSD CPU upgrade complete. | Posted earlier here https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments e76mgn 3lr_getting_hw3_upgrade_1212_vin_9xxx ?utm_source=share& utm_medium=ios_app& utm_name=iossmf Key takeaways: * if your model 3 is older then they have to re solder the wiring harness. This is not a one hour job. * on newer cars this is a 2hr installation * I was not able to keep the old CPU but I was told if I bought FSD AFTER initial purchase it might be possible. * FSD visualization: I m now seeing cones but something brand new is seeing the car models turn when they actually turn. I ve never seen that before. (It always showed models facing forward or brakes first). EDIT: they definitely turned before but it was very jerky and they would oscillate between rear and side positions when turning. This is much more buttery smooth * they have to factory reset after the HW upgrade. This means all your driver profiles and settings are gone. * it was $0. Other than this the car is pretty amazing as usual! | aarontj | 2019-12-18 08:00:38 | 75 | fbajz82 | > I was not able to keep the old CPU but I was told if I bought FSD AFTER initial purchase it might be possible. I did not purchase any level of EAP FSD with my initial purchase but upgraded all the way to FSD when it was on sale this summer. Are you saying that they may let me keep the module they remove replace from my car? | TheNewJasonBourne | 2019-12-18 14:42:19 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eovy3xv | Bet they didn t expect this when they were chuckling while dragging their keys across that car | Tha_Reaper | 2019-05-26 20:26:48 | 258 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eow0rqt | I feel satisfied with that result. 💯 | Sweetpar | 2019-05-26 20:45:10 | 169 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eovz3mc | Damn they must have been soooo embarrassed lmfao | DirtyTesla | 2019-05-26 20:33:47 | 105 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eox0h9i | If enough people get caught on Tesla cams word will get around and vandalism should wane... hopefully. All Tesla owners benefit from the videos going viral. | rkfster | 2019-05-27 00:36:28 | 47 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eow4fcn | Some people are quick to act a certain way when they think no one is looking. Glad the owner caught them on camera and can show the world their shameful behavior. Bet they didn t see that coming. | l_eveant_terrible | 2019-05-26 21:08:38 | 38 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eow3mnx | That s awesome! Hopefully this will build wider awareness of Teslas are monitored so we have less of these happenings (Even though people shouldn t do this to any car...) | fifichanx | 2019-05-26 21:03:49 | 26 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eoww3vc | Words cannot describe how much I despise people like this. u WastingTimeIGuess has a good comment in the original thread that puts into perspective these actions and I get the gist but at the same time...there is just absolutely no excuse for senselessly causing such expensive damage. I literally cannot fathom doing anything like this myself for no reason. I desperately want a Tesla some day but I realize they re a target and the fact that that s a problem is obscene. It takes less effort to specifically cause damage than it does to mind your own business and live your own life. & #x200B This is a completely useless comment but I ve seen so many posts with Teslas getting vandalized one way or another and I just \*hate\* seeing it. | Movieman555 | 2019-05-27 00:08:04 | 25 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eovyddi | Dillholes gonna dillhole | AskMeAboutMyPronoun | 2019-05-26 20:28:41 | 24 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eow1cdj | Ha great work what absolute fuckwits | RobDickinson | 2019-05-26 20:49:15 | 18 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eoxmtv7 | Tesla: the only car company with built in multi-angle dash cams . No other car company would do this for free. Hoping other car companies and car buyers take note and maybe one day these things will all be standard on every car and people like these two would think twice before damaging someone else s property. | Mafzz | 2019-05-27 03:02:30 | 15 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eoxbvju | This is great to hear. Where s the press release? Is it on the news? | mikaelp13 | 2019-05-27 01:49:41 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eovy004 | #nice! | croninsiglos | 2019-05-26 20:26:00 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eow9zrw | Do they deserve leniency for turning themselves in when they would have been caught? | iSaidYesToDrugs | 2019-05-26 21:43:31 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eovzm3y | Thats awesome | JamesEarl1520 | 2019-05-26 20:37:17 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eow7wla | Fuck yea | adiddy88 | 2019-05-26 21:30:16 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eox8pj3 | True dipshits... hope you get them pay for a complete new paint job all around. | joevsyou | 2019-05-27 01:29:53 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
btcp13 | [Update]: Tesla Sentry Mode captures 2 dudes keying and denting Model 3 | Original post: [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla\_sentry\_mode\_captures\_2\_dudes\_keying\_and ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments bofm3f tesla_sentry_mode_captures_2_dudes_keying_and ) & #x200B First of all thank you everyone for upvoting and making this post go viral. The video is at 1.1M views and we ve had significant coverage on all the local stations and across the internet. Sacramento PD has posted in various forums (I saw it on FB and Nextdoor) and has been in contact with the owner. & #x200B The result is that the **individuals turned themselves in** (2 or so days after the original post). As this is an on-going process - and I am not actually one of the involved parties - there will be no further updates from me. | pingish | 2019-05-26 20:20:44 | 908 | eox9ofu | Source? Screenshots? | westwindbelow | 2019-05-27 01:35:59 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
da4by9 | [V9 Model 3 only] Double-tap park button before exit to Summon into spot. | The in-car manual for months has said that the car is supposed to allow tapping twice on the park button to pick a direction and summon after you get out and close the door just like the S & X but I cannot get this to work. I ve verified that I do not have the continuous hold feature turned on for Summon the disabling of which is clearly spelled out as a requirement for the feature. Some people have claimed on TMC that it works but nobody has confirmed their software version so I have to assume they re on EA builds. Does anyone out there have any publicly-released build of V9 and the ability to do this? If so what software version are you on? | run-the-joules | 2019-09-27 18:18:49 | 31 | f1o0hxf | With both V9 32.2.1 and V10 32.10.1 (and now 32.11) this worked for me. It works for my friend on V9 32.2.2 as well. Both of us have FSD. 1. Continuous press OFF 2. Mobile Data access ON 3. Park car 4. Remove foot from brake 5. Double tap Park button again choose Forward or Backward 5. Exit car 6. Voila When I took delivery with 2019.15.103 this didn t work. I didn t try again until 2019.32.2.1 so I don t know when it was added. | guldilox | 2019-09-28 00:42:29 | 7 | Smart Summon Limitations |
9tccxn | [Video] Kara Swisher on Twitter. Thoughts from her Interview With Elon Musk (Airing Friday Morning). | [Video](https: twitter.com karaswisher status 1058049041605382144) -Elon Discussion happens around 27:25-33:48. Kara Swisher on Parascope detailing her 80 minute interview (airing Friday morning) with Elon. Here s some of my scrappy notes listening to her live just now: * Talked about Tesla SpaceX Boring Company. * Elon is in a calmer state of mind. He was rested and like the Elon we re used to from interviews in years past. * Talked to Elon about his Twitter problem (outbursts) - he is still proud over some. * He couldn t talk much about SEC. * Met Elon on Halloween night. * He blames 120 work-weeks for the outbursts. * Calls out New York Times for stating he was weeping during the interview when he says he wasn t. * States issues are mostly fixed for Model 3 production. * Wants to name BFR Heart of Gold. * The boat that catches the nosecone for rockets is discussed. * Got him to slightly apologize for attacking journalists but didn t go all the way. * Elon likes the Space Force idea. * New products coming out from Tesla. * Elon said He ll never make a mistake again haha. * She didn t ask him if he should be CEO or who should be his #2. She wishes she did. * I asked her if Elon talked about profitability she said he did by saying: Every quarter going forward they re going to be cash flow positive. Personally I m very excited to hear from Elon again. Love watching listening to his interviews. As a TSLA long it s great to hear whats ahead for Tesla. | BLSmith2112 | 2018-11-01 19:00:20 | 90 | e8vomz6 | Man journalists are still angry over the even the hint of an idea that Musk could judge them. Why do they journalists always think they are untouchable paragons of virtue in one breath and then criticize other journalists for getting it wrong in the next. It annoys me that they think it s wrong for Musk to plan to rate the press. The press have been documented to be incorrect misleading and flat out lying in the past. I don t know why everytime this is publicly pointed out its demonised by the media. They know they are not perfect stop getting angry when non journalists point out the obvious. | still-at-work | 2018-11-01 23:09:22 | 23 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9tccxn | [Video] Kara Swisher on Twitter. Thoughts from her Interview With Elon Musk (Airing Friday Morning). | [Video](https: twitter.com karaswisher status 1058049041605382144) -Elon Discussion happens around 27:25-33:48. Kara Swisher on Parascope detailing her 80 minute interview (airing Friday morning) with Elon. Here s some of my scrappy notes listening to her live just now: * Talked about Tesla SpaceX Boring Company. * Elon is in a calmer state of mind. He was rested and like the Elon we re used to from interviews in years past. * Talked to Elon about his Twitter problem (outbursts) - he is still proud over some. * He couldn t talk much about SEC. * Met Elon on Halloween night. * He blames 120 work-weeks for the outbursts. * Calls out New York Times for stating he was weeping during the interview when he says he wasn t. * States issues are mostly fixed for Model 3 production. * Wants to name BFR Heart of Gold. * The boat that catches the nosecone for rockets is discussed. * Got him to slightly apologize for attacking journalists but didn t go all the way. * Elon likes the Space Force idea. * New products coming out from Tesla. * Elon said He ll never make a mistake again haha. * She didn t ask him if he should be CEO or who should be his #2. She wishes she did. * I asked her if Elon talked about profitability she said he did by saying: Every quarter going forward they re going to be cash flow positive. Personally I m very excited to hear from Elon again. Love watching listening to his interviews. As a TSLA long it s great to hear whats ahead for Tesla. | BLSmith2112 | 2018-11-01 19:00:20 | 90 | e8v8qcu | > Wants to name BFR Heart of Gold. Love it the HHGttG references continue. > The boat that catches the nosecone for rockets is discussed. His name is Mr. Steven __________________ Thanks for the heads up I will be watching for this. | BahktoshRedclaw | 2018-11-01 19:35:39 | 15 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9tccxn | [Video] Kara Swisher on Twitter. Thoughts from her Interview With Elon Musk (Airing Friday Morning). | [Video](https: twitter.com karaswisher status 1058049041605382144) -Elon Discussion happens around 27:25-33:48. Kara Swisher on Parascope detailing her 80 minute interview (airing Friday morning) with Elon. Here s some of my scrappy notes listening to her live just now: * Talked about Tesla SpaceX Boring Company. * Elon is in a calmer state of mind. He was rested and like the Elon we re used to from interviews in years past. * Talked to Elon about his Twitter problem (outbursts) - he is still proud over some. * He couldn t talk much about SEC. * Met Elon on Halloween night. * He blames 120 work-weeks for the outbursts. * Calls out New York Times for stating he was weeping during the interview when he says he wasn t. * States issues are mostly fixed for Model 3 production. * Wants to name BFR Heart of Gold. * The boat that catches the nosecone for rockets is discussed. * Got him to slightly apologize for attacking journalists but didn t go all the way. * Elon likes the Space Force idea. * New products coming out from Tesla. * Elon said He ll never make a mistake again haha. * She didn t ask him if he should be CEO or who should be his #2. She wishes she did. * I asked her if Elon talked about profitability she said he did by saying: Every quarter going forward they re going to be cash flow positive. Personally I m very excited to hear from Elon again. Love watching listening to his interviews. As a TSLA long it s great to hear whats ahead for Tesla. | BLSmith2112 | 2018-11-01 19:00:20 | 90 | e8vk3r4 | Always excited for long Elon interviews. Understanding his personality quirks and way of thinking is quite helpful when trying to explain specific choices made at Tesla | [deleted] | 2018-11-01 22:02:15 | 5 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
3vfzs0 | [Video] Tesla Model S with BMW interior for $30000 - project by Moscow Tesla Club | Part 1: Moscow Tesla Club overview and impression of Model S interior tuning: http: www.youtube.com watch?v=1NG0BRJn-aU Part 2: The interview with an owner: http: www.youtube.com watch?v=DmH-S_3-rIk * The owner s opinion may be different from our s (Moscow Tesla Club team). The Story: Andrey had been quite unhappy with the Model S interior - just exactly as much as he always loved his Tesla s driving performance exterior and the general vibe of that amazing car. However there is no issue impossible to be solved if the one is willing and passionate enough. A wishlist was composed just rapidly and so was the search of a workshop manful enough to fulfill Andrey s goals. A few months passed - and now this Tesla s interior is a real piece of art. It contains premium natural leather BMW 6-series seats with memory custom floor console with handy cupholders and a bunch of USB plugs natural leather front panel and the steering wheel and much more. The result pretty much speaks for itself - as you can see it on pictures the renewed interior is really cozy comfortable and kinda classy. ( Here is russian language post with some pictures: http: teslamodelx.ru model-s tyuning-tesla-model-s-v-moscow-tesla-club.html ) We ve taken this Tesla for a week and driven it back and forth in Moscow to shoot some video with Moscow Tesla Club overview. Afterwards we ve had a chat with Andrey when he guided us through his Tesla in detail - that is also filmed. Here are both clips we are proud to present. | IgorAntarov | 2015-12-04 18:21:15 | 27 | cxna1et | They used a lot of contrast stitching in this project which I love. I really wish Tesla would start doing that. It s as simple as putting different thread in the machine. | majesticjg | 2015-12-04 19:49:54 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
e5iyil | [Winter Driving] M3 Defrosting questions | Is it possible to turn on the defroster but at a tempature setting lower than HI ? After the initial heatup the car is exceptionally warm and I want to just leave the internal temp at a toasty 72. However I want that air to blow on the front glass via defrost to keep the window hot while driving. In ICE cars I could set the temp independently from the defrost setting and I can t seem to figure that out in the M3. | Meflakcannon | 2019-12-03 15:47:42 | 13 | f9k6dvd | Cold weather driver here! Prior to getting into your car set the cabin temperature via the tesla app to the desired temperature (not MAX) which depending on temp can take around 5-15min. If the weather is cold the defrost will automatically come on when you turn on your cars climate control. You do not need to increase the temperature of your car to HI via the app. Just choose your desired temperature. Once you are in the car I suggest setting the cabin air settings to all automatic and setting at your desired temperature. In automatic mode the Car will itself regulate as needed to prevent icing and fogging on your windows as well as regulating temperature. | Tedthemagnificent | 2019-12-03 17:23:27 | 11 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
e5iyil | [Winter Driving] M3 Defrosting questions | Is it possible to turn on the defroster but at a tempature setting lower than HI ? After the initial heatup the car is exceptionally warm and I want to just leave the internal temp at a toasty 72. However I want that air to blow on the front glass via defrost to keep the window hot while driving. In ICE cars I could set the temp independently from the defrost setting and I can t seem to figure that out in the M3. | Meflakcannon | 2019-12-03 15:47:42 | 13 | f9jytxs | Set the temperature to 72 and select defrost and you re at 72 in defrost. | engineerbro22 | 2019-12-03 16:03:24 | 5 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
87azob | [YSK] While applying for a Tesla auto loan some banks offer a discount | If you buy a Tesla or another electric hybrid vehicle some banks offer a reduced interest rate. Make sure you ask. I was just able to lock into .99% for a used Tesla at a local FCU. Edit*First New York FCU. You need to live in the Capital District of New York Albany-Saratoga etc.. 15186409327 Olivia is the loan officer who helped with my loan. | sheltz32tt | 2018-03-26 17:34:42 | 43 | dwbmaqr | For anyone is Florida check out Suncoast Federal Credit Union. They offer a .25% discount on EV s and on other cars that have a combined EPA rating of 28 MPG or greater. I think our interest rate is 1.5%. | Buddhalite | 2018-03-26 19:00:33 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
87azob | [YSK] While applying for a Tesla auto loan some banks offer a discount | If you buy a Tesla or another electric hybrid vehicle some banks offer a reduced interest rate. Make sure you ask. I was just able to lock into .99% for a used Tesla at a local FCU. Edit*First New York FCU. You need to live in the Capital District of New York Albany-Saratoga etc.. 15186409327 Olivia is the loan officer who helped with my loan. | sheltz32tt | 2018-03-26 17:34:42 | 43 | dwbiy4d | I m getting my model 3 in a couple weeks and need to figure out my financing. What credit union are you using? | harborhound | 2018-03-26 18:10:48 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
87azob | [YSK] While applying for a Tesla auto loan some banks offer a discount | If you buy a Tesla or another electric hybrid vehicle some banks offer a reduced interest rate. Make sure you ask. I was just able to lock into .99% for a used Tesla at a local FCU. Edit*First New York FCU. You need to live in the Capital District of New York Albany-Saratoga etc.. 15186409327 Olivia is the loan officer who helped with my loan. | sheltz32tt | 2018-03-26 17:34:42 | 43 | dwbm7po | If you are in SoCal fpcu.org is doing 1.99%. You only need to have a SoCal OC(?) address to qualify. Just apply for a savings account online with $25 to get started and email in your license and utility bill. Originally found the CU in this sub. | DamnRiver | 2018-03-26 18:59:20 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6q2oum | [company name] will release a Tesla killer in [current year + 5 years] | I was looking at a news website and saw the title you see [here](http: i.imgur.com oUZSx3Y.jpg). I thought let me guess in 2021? . Then I click on the article and it says 2022. So apparently the rule is current year + 5 years. | Teslike | 2017-07-28 09:19:45 | 106 | dku5cjk | Still waiting on Chevy Bolt to steal all of Tesla s EV market share. | WhiskeySauer | 2017-07-28 11:25:03 | 48 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6q2oum | [company name] will release a Tesla killer in [current year + 5 years] | I was looking at a news website and saw the title you see [here](http: i.imgur.com oUZSx3Y.jpg). I thought let me guess in 2021? . Then I click on the article and it says 2022. So apparently the rule is current year + 5 years. | Teslike | 2017-07-28 09:19:45 | 106 | dku4trw | I m wondering if some of those articles aren t machine generated. | livetorideridetowood | 2017-07-28 11:05:45 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6q2oum | [company name] will release a Tesla killer in [current year + 5 years] | I was looking at a news website and saw the title you see [here](http: i.imgur.com oUZSx3Y.jpg). I thought let me guess in 2021? . Then I click on the article and it says 2022. So apparently the rule is current year + 5 years. | Teslike | 2017-07-28 09:19:45 | 106 | dkuab3t | Nothing wrong with competition. Especially for something that has a chance to dramatically improve air quality all over the world. They all can boast and make promises all they want as far as I m concerned. I think this is exactly what Elon hoped for. | elsif1 | 2017-07-28 13:38:01 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6q2oum | [company name] will release a Tesla killer in [current year + 5 years] | I was looking at a news website and saw the title you see [here](http: i.imgur.com oUZSx3Y.jpg). I thought let me guess in 2021? . Then I click on the article and it says 2022. So apparently the rule is current year + 5 years. | Teslike | 2017-07-28 09:19:45 | 106 | dkuud2s | Tesla will release a Tesla Model 3 killer in 2022. | HellsNels | 2017-07-28 19:37:48 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
6q2oum | [company name] will release a Tesla killer in [current year + 5 years] | I was looking at a news website and saw the title you see [here](http: i.imgur.com oUZSx3Y.jpg). I thought let me guess in 2021? . Then I click on the article and it says 2022. So apparently the rule is current year + 5 years. | Teslike | 2017-07-28 09:19:45 | 106 | dku8r6l | RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE! | Throwaway_Consoles | 2017-07-28 13:03:29 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ak7ji9 | [discussion] 12v ports and USBs ON when camping please | Can maybe we finally get this as an option at least? I hope this topic is going to be noticed here by somebody from the Tesla team... I think that people were asking for that for a whole eternity and even Elon mentioned that it is going to be solved in v.9 ...but it s not. Recently I talked to a guy from the mobile team and asked him to do something to keep the ports ON but he said that they turn the ports off because they re constantly leaking the power. But when I asked what is a point of keeping them OFF during a camper mode (when you actually need your car working with climate on and everything) the guy didn t know what to answer. I really really REALLY hope that it will be solved somehow. Edit: *I absolutely do not understand the downvotes. You are not agreed? Sure - please comment why. What is a point to moke this post if it s a necessary feature? So people don t see this topic? ooooh this is so nice of you you re true rebel I m proud of you. But actually I really DO think that it is necessary to be able charging our devices when we park our cars and it is really needed. I really think that it is handy to be able to use these ports when you are camping (esp. for people with some health conditions). And so on.* | misteriousm | 2019-01-27 01:38:07 | 108 | ef2ihc2 | People enjoy being asses and downvote. I completely need this option. Just to keep iPads charged for kiddos in the back would be cool. That way I don t have to dismantle their set ups every time we leave the car and re do it next day. Just a headache | tcurnutte | 2019-01-27 03:48:52 | 10 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
ak7ji9 | [discussion] 12v ports and USBs ON when camping please | Can maybe we finally get this as an option at least? I hope this topic is going to be noticed here by somebody from the Tesla team... I think that people were asking for that for a whole eternity and even Elon mentioned that it is going to be solved in v.9 ...but it s not. Recently I talked to a guy from the mobile team and asked him to do something to keep the ports ON but he said that they turn the ports off because they re constantly leaking the power. But when I asked what is a point of keeping them OFF during a camper mode (when you actually need your car working with climate on and everything) the guy didn t know what to answer. I really really REALLY hope that it will be solved somehow. Edit: *I absolutely do not understand the downvotes. You are not agreed? Sure - please comment why. What is a point to moke this post if it s a necessary feature? So people don t see this topic? ooooh this is so nice of you you re true rebel I m proud of you. But actually I really DO think that it is necessary to be able charging our devices when we park our cars and it is really needed. I really think that it is handy to be able to use these ports when you are camping (esp. for people with some health conditions). And so on.* | misteriousm | 2019-01-27 01:38:07 | 108 | ef2mm9b | I m really hoping for this as well no reason they shouldn t stay on. | mechrock | 2019-01-27 04:46:02 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
ak7ji9 | [discussion] 12v ports and USBs ON when camping please | Can maybe we finally get this as an option at least? I hope this topic is going to be noticed here by somebody from the Tesla team... I think that people were asking for that for a whole eternity and even Elon mentioned that it is going to be solved in v.9 ...but it s not. Recently I talked to a guy from the mobile team and asked him to do something to keep the ports ON but he said that they turn the ports off because they re constantly leaking the power. But when I asked what is a point of keeping them OFF during a camper mode (when you actually need your car working with climate on and everything) the guy didn t know what to answer. I really really REALLY hope that it will be solved somehow. Edit: *I absolutely do not understand the downvotes. You are not agreed? Sure - please comment why. What is a point to moke this post if it s a necessary feature? So people don t see this topic? ooooh this is so nice of you you re true rebel I m proud of you. But actually I really DO think that it is necessary to be able charging our devices when we park our cars and it is really needed. I really think that it is handy to be able to use these ports when you are camping (esp. for people with some health conditions). And so on.* | misteriousm | 2019-01-27 01:38:07 | 108 | ef28x7l | Elon already replied to a comment about it on twitter. I assume it will happen at some point. | scottrobertson | 2019-01-27 01:42:58 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8g2lcz | [discussion] Buying a new car in the US and get it to Canada | Have anyone had such an experience? I m planning to buy a used MX p100d but it s unreal to find this kind of CPO vehicle in Canada but I saw few in the US store (for a short period of time). Not saying that it s less expensive to buy it there. Thoughts? | misteriousm | 2018-04-30 20:24:16 | 11 | dy8cwv8 | Transport Canada doesn t allow importing a Tesla from the USA. | CanGuitarguy | 2018-04-30 20:43:10 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8hwl9c | [discussion] Canadians post the interest rate tesla financing gave you for your Model 3 | Going through the motions now and Tesla financing quoted me 4.14% (84 months) through RBC. I ve put an email back to them seeing what other term lengths look like but I was expecting 3.9%. Anyone else have any luck with better rates? Please post Canada rates only hearing about 1.9% in the US doesn t help us at all up here. | superdeanio | 2018-05-08 13:16:05 | 17 | dynfw79 | UPDATE: Got some further rates from Scotia and RBC via Tesla lending. Any inconsistencies with numbers you may have seen elsewhere are likely due to discounts based on credit rating: RBC 72 months: 3.99% 84 months: 4.14% 96 months: 4.39% ScotiaBank 72 months: 4.05% 84 months: 4.49% 96 months: 4.49% | superdeanio | 2018-05-08 17:12:49 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
85mbnt | [discussion] Has phone key for the model 3 improved? | Early reports showed many negative comments about the phone key and how it was working. Many of the people who have done reviews for the Model 3 dont own the car so I dont see much about it. my question to owners: How well is phone key working for you? Have there been any improvements in phone key from software updates? | TheAngryBeezy | 2018-03-19 19:36:43 | 17 | dvyhcsv | To be honest I ve never had any issues other than it unlocking all the time when I was in the house and had walk-up-unlock turned on. I turned that off on Day 2 and have had no issues since. | run-the-joules | 2018-03-19 20:00:52 | 7 | Tesla phone key functionality |
85mbnt | [discussion] Has phone key for the model 3 improved? | Early reports showed many negative comments about the phone key and how it was working. Many of the people who have done reviews for the Model 3 dont own the car so I dont see much about it. my question to owners: How well is phone key working for you? Have there been any improvements in phone key from software updates? | TheAngryBeezy | 2018-03-19 19:36:43 | 17 | dvyj3hv | Yes! I have zero issues with it now as of the last update. | dirtyfries | 2018-03-19 20:28:18 | 5 | Tesla phone key functionality |
865b31 | [discussion] Questions for Steve MacManus - VP of Engineering | I ve been invited to a lecture by Steve MacManus - VP of Engineering tomorrow and thought I d see if anyone had anything they d like to find out. It s tomorrow 22 3 at 2:30 GMT so feel free to send suggestions my way! | frankjabloomfield | 2018-03-21 20:03:49 | 24 | dw2ghup | The 75D and 100D back in the summer got performance enhancements or were able to get “uncorked”. Is it “technically” possible for the 90D cars to get uncorked as well? Bring them down to the 3 second range for 0-60? ————- On a related note... Whatever happened to Insane Mode? There are no new cars in the 3 second range. Will we see that mode again in the future or is it discontinued for good? ——— | ShinjukuWard | 2018-03-21 20:16:40 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
865b31 | [discussion] Questions for Steve MacManus - VP of Engineering | I ve been invited to a lecture by Steve MacManus - VP of Engineering tomorrow and thought I d see if anyone had anything they d like to find out. It s tomorrow 22 3 at 2:30 GMT so feel free to send suggestions my way! | frankjabloomfield | 2018-03-21 20:03:49 | 24 | dw2ji6g | Is the acceleration on the Model 3 currently limited by: 1) controlling for torque ripple? 2) Is it in a sense being throttled to some degree such that it could be uncorked? 3) Is it limited by the reduction gear? 3a) if so what is its reduction gear? 3b) What will the reduction gear be on the second AWD motor in the performance version? | stevejust | 2018-03-21 21:02:12 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
865b31 | [discussion] Questions for Steve MacManus - VP of Engineering | I ve been invited to a lecture by Steve MacManus - VP of Engineering tomorrow and thought I d see if anyone had anything they d like to find out. It s tomorrow 22 3 at 2:30 GMT so feel free to send suggestions my way! | frankjabloomfield | 2018-03-21 20:03:49 | 24 | dw2sr3a | Could you see if he s willing to say anything about future plans for procuring rare earth metal magnets for their permanent magnet motors? I ve read that Toyota is developing strong magnets that reduce the dependence on neodymium using lanthanum and cerium instead--article on this [here](https: www.reuters.com article us-toyota-magnet new-toyota-magnet-cuts-dependence-on-key-rare-earth-metal-for-ev-motors-idUSKCN1G413F). I m curious if Tesla has similar plans or some other plan to not have to rely so much on China for importing neodymium. | joggle1 | 2018-03-21 23:32:04 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8f8tp3 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? | (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | herPassword | 2018-04-27 04:01:41 | 41 | dy1qaxs | It s your money. And it s not a cheap car. So it s entirely up to you whether this is reasonable or not. There s no wrong answer here everybody will come to it from a different perspective with different expectations. If you re looking for permission to insist on a new vehicle - you have it. The pillar issue could be a big one and I wouldn t simply accept on blind faith that the same organization that couldn t see the problem originally will fix the problem - correctly - subsequently. It s your call - good luck! | PSMF_Canuck | 2018-04-27 06:34:26 | 34 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8f8tp3 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? | (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | herPassword | 2018-04-27 04:01:41 | 41 | dy1oqem | If it s within spec then you need to realize there are currently hundreds of thousands of people currently on the road with similar gaps. If perfection is what you re looking for you re in the wrong car. I had cosmetic issues on delivery date. Chips scratches and a paint drip. I took delivery and waited for a Tesla loaner. They did a full paint correction on the car blowing me away. I had a couple issues during after the buying process but the outcome was an 11 10. They sent it to a 3rd party company to do the body work and it was outstanding. If you take delivery they ll do as best as humanly possible to fix the issues. If you refuse and request a new vin you ll be making this post again in a few months. But hey you do you. | Blind_at_Sea | 2018-04-27 05:49:25 | 10 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8f8tp3 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? | (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | herPassword | 2018-04-27 04:01:41 | 41 | dy1wovq | Springfield NJ SC is also my closest Tesla location. 7. I had this issue as well very odd. There were two other cars being delivered and all of the front windows on those were up slightly. My driver s side went pretty much all the way down. 9. Had this also. Agreed that should have been easy to spot and clean up. My rear left tail light was not flush and they made it better but not 100& #37 perfect. I took delivery I m pretty happy. | wontmatterlater | 2018-04-27 10:27:22 | 9 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8f8tp3 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? | (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | herPassword | 2018-04-27 04:01:41 | 41 | dy1x45e | I sold cars for a while. I would ask for a new one personally you paid money for a NEW car and want that full new car experience. There will obviously be some imperfections but the window issue and large gaps should not be on a new car. | play2hard2 | 2018-04-27 10:41:49 | 9 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8f8tp3 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? | (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | herPassword | 2018-04-27 04:01:41 | 41 | dy1ko7k | What s the vin(roughly)? | bdnr | 2018-04-27 04:12:48 | 6 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8f8tp3 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? | (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | herPassword | 2018-04-27 04:01:41 | 41 | dy1o03a | 2 3 4 and 5 exist on almost every Model 3. Note that the outer parts of the headlights stick out by design I am told. You should look at other Model 3s to compare. You will find they are all different to some degree Tesla will describe them as “unique”. Paint defects will exist on any car you receive this can be corrected. Another VIN could be worse but you could take a chance. EDIT: note I believe it is normal for the fender to not be flush with the A pillar the gap is usually large. I have yet to see one that is flush if it was it would line up with the doors. | jjwardSD | 2018-04-27 05:29:29 | 6 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8f8tp3 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? | (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | herPassword | 2018-04-27 04:01:41 | 41 | dy1ldgx | People bitch too much about panel gaps. Enough said | GloryToMotherRussia | 2018-04-27 04:27:28 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8f8tp3 | [discussion] Refused delivery due to observations - is it fair to request a new VIN? Why or Why-not? | (deleted prior post & reposted due to bad title... it had 0 comments) Hi all. Would appreciate your help and suggestions. Took family to Springfield NJ delivery center today to receive a blue M3 but ended up not taking delivery after making below observations. Because it was end of the day delivery specialist promised to have his manager call me tomorrow with options. 1. 3 or more paint chips on the passenger front door where door meets the fender. SC was not sure how it could have happened either. 2. Gap between driver side fender where it meets the A pillar is aeawfully large. Clearly not flush. 3. Same issue on the passenger side gap between fender and A pillar. Not as big but still not flush. 4. Front of both side fenders touch (almost overlap) with the bumper 5. Both headlights not flush with bumper - headlight is pointed out forward than the bumper - 4-5mm if I remember correctly especially the driver side. 6. Charger cover is not flush with the rear light when closed 7. Most weird - left and right side rear windows do not roll down to the same height. Discovered it after just looking at them though actual difference seems to be about 5mm. Confused if this is a sign of some bigger issue or just something I can safely let go. 8. Hairline paint scratches on hood and other places 9. Scratch on glass panel - this turned out to be glues left in place (why though) They did call technician and they told me (SC and technician): #1- no idea why that happened. They can make it right #2 and #3 will be hard to fix. May make it look worse. #4 is out of spec and they can make it right #5 is actually within spec - I got a bit mad at this point #6 is actually within spec - I pretended to let it go but this just doesn t feel right #7 is actually non issue - I need some explanation of why this can happen before believing it #8 can be fixed - I agree. Planning to do paint fix and opticoat so willing to let it go #9 is actually remains of glue not scratch For tonight they provided a loaner car (BMW - not Tesla but still nice)... They took my CC info but I am trusting they are covering the full cost. Anyhow... what would you suggest are important ones I need to really address? Also when the manager calls me tomorrow should I .... (1) accept whatever they can fix (2) demand all to be fixed OR (3) refuse delivery for new VIN? I m not thinking of cancelling the sale yet. Still excited about the car but trying to get it right from the start... Thanks in advance for your thoughts and suggestions ----- [EDIT with UPDATE - 2 days later] Hi - after reading through all the comments I chose to have Tesla repair the issues. However still some minor drama. Details below. - Delivery person promised to call me the next day morning but did not. I called them 4 times only to get their voice mail. I then called their sales line and got immediately connected to a person who then connected me to the delivery person. I m told this happened because the person got sick and they had too many customers. I understand stuff happens but I don t like it when coincidences happen at convenient times. - Took 30 min to talk through issues. They acknowledged issues 1 4 5 6 8 and 9. They offered to have a body shop fix it. That leaves 2 3 7 as unresolved. - For 2 and 3 they advised not trying to fix due to the car s design (seriously?!) I asked them to just make it less noticeable even if not perfect. He said they will try but no commitment what so ever. - For 7 I asked to have the car doors and glass panels re-inspected to be sure no material issues. They said they do that anyways but I m skeptical at best. This is the one that bothers me the most because it doesn t make sense why that will happen. In addition I asked them to adjust the windows so they roll down to the same height. They said they ll try but also no commitment. In all conversations... I appreciated them trying to remain professional and clear on the details. I didn t appreciate the strong undertone these are all cosmetics only and repair is the only option. This experience is giving me new perspectives on Tesla as an investor. They created a beautiful tech that others will have trouble catching up - but they are so bad at scaling actual operational aspects. This is how typical software companies run - they launch minimally viable products to market let users drive usage or complaints and use that as evidence on how to make improve. That works because software does not require people. It s a proven model. However building cars need people - I m sorry but indications are piling up they are untrained. QA and Servicing cars need people - this delivery experience is showing they are understaffed at best and missing key checks and balances likely. Anyhow... thank you all for options thoughts and information. Hope all this helps with next owners in waiting... | herPassword | 2018-04-27 04:01:41 | 41 | dy1xu20 | Thinks I look for in a car: 1. Safety 2. Size 1. Economy to maintain 1. Styling 1. Performance ... n-1. Colo(u)r n. Cosmetic appearance As long as it works it s going to live in the real world and get dinged up... | MeccIt | 2018-04-27 11:04:50 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8fsfly | [discussion] Tesla EAP vs. other manufacturers | I ve searched wide and far for a comprehensive technical analysis of Tesla autopilot systems compared to other manufacturers. I ve found some older puff articles and dead forum links but I m interested in going deeper. I m mainly interested in how bmw s assist features stack up but I m down to talk about anyone. I hear a lot of “yeah but” when people are semi-critical of how autopilot isn t that great so I m really interested to know the details of how much farther ahead Tesla is with data neural network etc. extra upvotes for those who format their responses in a visually appealing way! | fuckbread | 2018-04-29 16:33:22 | 18 | dy7xi1l | I drive a BMW 5-series (G30) and I ve also driven AP1 Tesla a lot so here are my thoughts about the driver assistance features. **Autosteer:** On an empty road highway AP1 wins by far. BMW just gives up fast when line markings are not great or turns get too sharp. However with traffic and following another car BMW is almost as useful. I do like BMW s approach where I can steer avoiding potholes and it doesn t drop autosteer like it does with Tesla. Tesla often wants to drive too close to big trucks and cars in the next lane .. or to hit potholes so theres lot of times my steering disables autosteer. Also Tesla s autosteer sometimes wants to limit me driving the limit exactly or even incorrectly below the limit but this is rare so not a real issue. **TACC:** BMW wins here. Max setting is further away which is a big thing in winter or rain don t have to get my windshield dirty by following someone too close. It s smoother with cars merging on and off. It also seems to handle stopped cars better and smoother Tesla brakes too harsh and too late to my taste when approachind cars sitting at a red light. And some other features I ve experienced where BMW wins big (or Tesla doesn t have): + The best **360 camera system** I ve seen + **Road sign recognition**. BMW just works 99% of the time while Tesla makes lot of mistakes of missing a sign or reading a wrong sign e.g. from back of a speed limited vehicle. I think Tesla also gets outdated info from the nav system. + **Blind-spot detection** works way better and alerts for cars approaching fast while they are still far away. It also has side collision avoidance with active steering i.e. it will steer away from cars trying to hit my sides or enter my lane. + **parking sensors** with side protection and auto brake + Fully **adaptive anti-glare highbeam** yeah.. unfortunately Tesla headlights really suck and theres no adaptive high beam at all. + **Cross-traffic alert** with auto brake for front and back (e.g. I m backing off a parking spot and a bicycle or car is approaching left or right or I m going forward through a blind entrance or exit). Also works at intersections detecting vehicles in a collision path. I ve had this go off a few times for a good reason too. | lnaukkar | 2018-04-30 16:46:55 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8fsfly | [discussion] Tesla EAP vs. other manufacturers | I ve searched wide and far for a comprehensive technical analysis of Tesla autopilot systems compared to other manufacturers. I ve found some older puff articles and dead forum links but I m interested in going deeper. I m mainly interested in how bmw s assist features stack up but I m down to talk about anyone. I hear a lot of “yeah but” when people are semi-critical of how autopilot isn t that great so I m really interested to know the details of how much farther ahead Tesla is with data neural network etc. extra upvotes for those who format their responses in a visually appealing way! | fuckbread | 2018-04-29 16:33:22 | 18 | dy656kr | Here s a somewhat crumby comparison of AutoPilot to Cadillac s SuperCruise with no real conclusion. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8fcp1p tesla_autopilot_vs_cadillac_super_cruise ?st=JGL34LE3& sh=3573b89a | joseph_hac | 2018-04-29 17:26:14 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7r1ogq | [discussion] Where are the 1k model 3s a week Elon talked about by the q4 production report?! | There have been very few new model 3 posts vinbot has been inactive possible people don t care to post anymore for new model 3 s but seems like they might have hit another bottleneck. A customer reported a vin in low 4000 for early February which sounds like they ll be lucky for 2k produced in January more like 500 a week than 1k. Any thoughts? | Ifelman | 2018-01-17 15:24:54 | 37 | dsthsf0 | Anecdotally I ve noticed way more Model 3s on the road in the last few weeks. I see one or two on most days. I ve been wondering why the VIN spotting posts have tapered off. My guess is that the excitement wore off a little and people haven t taken as many VIN photos. I think the next big wave of excitement will hit when non-owners finally start getting config emails. | nbarbettini | 2018-01-17 15:37:44 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7r1ogq | [discussion] Where are the 1k model 3s a week Elon talked about by the q4 production report?! | There have been very few new model 3 posts vinbot has been inactive possible people don t care to post anymore for new model 3 s but seems like they might have hit another bottleneck. A customer reported a vin in low 4000 for early February which sounds like they ll be lucky for 2k produced in January more like 500 a week than 1k. Any thoughts? | Ifelman | 2018-01-17 15:24:54 | 37 | dsthtjm | Tesla s wording is that extrapolated all lines can produce 1 000 cars per week. That doesn t mean they are doing 1k week now. It means that at some point in time each of the lines saw that rate. It could have been one line doing 6 parts per minute for 15 minutes. Extrapolated that s 1 000 parts per week. To orchestrate everything so that each line can maintain this rate and also work together with other lines at this rate is another challenge. There could be issues with just feeding the line enough raw material. Or getting the part to the next line quickly. I also heard some speculation that production might have been shut down over the holidays. This is typical for big manufacturing plants. You need to clean lube retool give production folks a break etc. So I don t doubt this happened. I expect the next few weeks to see production in the low hundreds week on average with a February rate hitting 1K week. Shorts will have a field day with what I just wrote. But I and plenty of others expected this. This is large-scale manufacturing. It s not easy with lots of stuff being done for the first time. There are guaranteed to be kinks and bugs. Nothing insurmountable but lots of niggly bits to get sorted out. As an investor I am not at all worried. | EbolaFred | 2018-01-17 15:38:16 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7r1ogq | [discussion] Where are the 1k model 3s a week Elon talked about by the q4 production report?! | There have been very few new model 3 posts vinbot has been inactive possible people don t care to post anymore for new model 3 s but seems like they might have hit another bottleneck. A customer reported a vin in low 4000 for early February which sounds like they ll be lucky for 2k produced in January more like 500 a week than 1k. Any thoughts? | Ifelman | 2018-01-17 15:24:54 | 37 | dstigb1 | As a point of reference I drove by the factory yesterday and the holding lot had about 1 3 the cars it had around Christmas. Either they were stockpiling for an end of the year push or they ve gotten better about loading trucks immediately. I didn t see any trucks being loaded though | donut_care | 2018-01-17 15:48:55 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7r1ogq | [discussion] Where are the 1k model 3s a week Elon talked about by the q4 production report?! | There have been very few new model 3 posts vinbot has been inactive possible people don t care to post anymore for new model 3 s but seems like they might have hit another bottleneck. A customer reported a vin in low 4000 for early February which sounds like they ll be lucky for 2k produced in January more like 500 a week than 1k. Any thoughts? | Ifelman | 2018-01-17 15:24:54 | 37 | dstnweb | 1k Model 3s per week never happened in Q4. Per [the press release](http: ir.tesla.com releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=1053245): > In the last seven working days of the quarter we made 793 Model 3 s If you assume the reason the last seven working days of the quarter weren t the last seven calendar days is that they closed the plant for Christmas (and there were no other reasons for calendar days not being working days such as maintenance or waiting on parts) you get a rate of 793 per week. > and in the last few days we hit a production rate on each of our manufacturing lines that extrapolates to over 1 000 Model 3 s per week. If I sprint as fast as I can down the road my steps extrapolate to a rate that would let me achieve a 4 minute mile. I don t think I ll find myself in any documentaries with Roger Bannister any time soon though. | LouBrown | 2018-01-17 17:15:59 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7r1ogq | [discussion] Where are the 1k model 3s a week Elon talked about by the q4 production report?! | There have been very few new model 3 posts vinbot has been inactive possible people don t care to post anymore for new model 3 s but seems like they might have hit another bottleneck. A customer reported a vin in low 4000 for early February which sounds like they ll be lucky for 2k produced in January more like 500 a week than 1k. Any thoughts? | Ifelman | 2018-01-17 15:24:54 | 37 | dstiejm | It seems like the Model 3 deliveries are increasing but not many post vins anymore. Two of the three Talking Tesla guys have theirs. Ben Sullins got his. There s just a lot less fanfare around deliveries right now. It would be interesting to see pictures of the lot at the factory in Fremont to see if that lot fills up everyday with a constant flow of car carriers taking them off. I assume it is a busy place still. | 0x0badbeef | 2018-01-17 15:48:06 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7r1ogq | [discussion] Where are the 1k model 3s a week Elon talked about by the q4 production report?! | There have been very few new model 3 posts vinbot has been inactive possible people don t care to post anymore for new model 3 s but seems like they might have hit another bottleneck. A customer reported a vin in low 4000 for early February which sounds like they ll be lucky for 2k produced in January more like 500 a week than 1k. Any thoughts? | Ifelman | 2018-01-17 15:24:54 | 37 | dstjhon | I do not see too much new Tesla Model 3 Instagrams posts pace seems similar to end december not hint of increasing. When it were 1000k per week we should have seen some 5000s Vins around there. | [deleted] | 2018-01-17 16:05:55 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8oqech | [discussion] Will the model 3 have low resale value? | Pure conjecture but my logic revolves around the rest of the market and competing with other Tesla vehicles. In 3-4 years time: Some buyers looking at a used model 3 will also be looking at new EVs. New EVs from BMW Audi and Volvo are all expected to be on the market by then. They will have full warranties access to the tax credit and new features. Other buyers looking at used Model 3s may look at upscale economy EVs from VW and Mazda also slated to be released in the next few years. Also able to get warranties and a tax credit. There will also be used Model S s which will be able to be had in the 40-50k range and the upgrade may seem worth to buyers who don t mind the extra stretch for a better car. Also the new model Y might be tempting for people who want more space and a long warranty There will also be MANY more model 3s by then on the road many of them making their way to the used market. Having more used cars in the market naturally drives down the price. Maybe my thinking is short sighted but I think a model 3 will be an absolute bargain used in 3 years | TexasLorax | 2018-06-05 12:29:02 | 16 | e05a1tc | Not sure about 3 years from now. If you are thinking resale (thought has crossed my mind) I believe the first year or 2 will yield the greatest value or at least until the queue is basically caught up. The thought is someone would likely be willing to pay $47.5k for the $55k version I just bought. Essentially (I m aware of the additional costs) a net zero cost (after rebate)to drive the car for a year. | toastdog30 | 2018-06-05 12:44:04 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8oqech | [discussion] Will the model 3 have low resale value? | Pure conjecture but my logic revolves around the rest of the market and competing with other Tesla vehicles. In 3-4 years time: Some buyers looking at a used model 3 will also be looking at new EVs. New EVs from BMW Audi and Volvo are all expected to be on the market by then. They will have full warranties access to the tax credit and new features. Other buyers looking at used Model 3s may look at upscale economy EVs from VW and Mazda also slated to be released in the next few years. Also able to get warranties and a tax credit. There will also be used Model S s which will be able to be had in the 40-50k range and the upgrade may seem worth to buyers who don t mind the extra stretch for a better car. Also the new model Y might be tempting for people who want more space and a long warranty There will also be MANY more model 3s by then on the road many of them making their way to the used market. Having more used cars in the market naturally drives down the price. Maybe my thinking is short sighted but I think a model 3 will be an absolute bargain used in 3 years | TexasLorax | 2018-06-05 12:29:02 | 16 | e05dl8r | A few thoughts on this focused on the US. Any Tesla positivity here is strongly dependent upon execution. * **Short Term:** * There isn t another car that has anywhere near the range of the LR Model 3 and access to the Supercharger Network for anywhere close to the cost and they are likely to be supply constrained for the next 2\-3 years so I do not expect much depreciation certainly less than average. * **Mid Term \(3\-6 years\)**: * As the market shifts to EV there will indeed be more options available to consumers from other manufacturers but what the overall ecosystem will look like is unclear. * Manufacturers will need to commit to charging infrastructure if they want to allow for range enough to create more than commuter vehicles. They ll have to build a lot of vehicles at scale and build charging infrastructure in order to make cars that compete with the Model 3. * I hope they do this as it s good for consumers but for them to seriously affect the depreciation curve of Teslas they ll need to offer vehicles at significantly lower prices which will have corresponding effects on their own ICE vehicles which will face accelerating depreciation challenges no matter what. * **Longer term \(5\-15 years\):** * The transportation market will shift to fleets and a service model over time and this will create massive depreciation challenges for the automotive industry as a glut of used inventory pours out into the market. * **Assuming Tesla makes the Tesla Network idea a reality AP2\(.5?\) Tesla owners won t have to sell their cars** when they are ready to upgrade though as they can simply put their used vehicles out into fleet service. * **This effectively acts as a floor on depreciation since used vehicles convert into income streams.** * A car that was able to earn $0.40 mile \* 50 miles a day would earn around $7k year in revenue. * Full time Ubers and Taxis do somewhere in the 40\-70k miles a year \(100\-200 miles day\) at $1.50\-2 mile after factoring in minimum fares so those mileage numbers are probably conservative though the rev mile is probably a little high. * This is vaporware at this point but if Tesla can get Full Self Driving and the Network to actually work they ll have hundreds of thousands of paid for AV capable of being put out into service in 5 years. edit: finished a sentence cleaned up formatting with bullets. | mrdavisclothing | 2018-06-05 13:50:38 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8oqech | [discussion] Will the model 3 have low resale value? | Pure conjecture but my logic revolves around the rest of the market and competing with other Tesla vehicles. In 3-4 years time: Some buyers looking at a used model 3 will also be looking at new EVs. New EVs from BMW Audi and Volvo are all expected to be on the market by then. They will have full warranties access to the tax credit and new features. Other buyers looking at used Model 3s may look at upscale economy EVs from VW and Mazda also slated to be released in the next few years. Also able to get warranties and a tax credit. There will also be used Model S s which will be able to be had in the 40-50k range and the upgrade may seem worth to buyers who don t mind the extra stretch for a better car. Also the new model Y might be tempting for people who want more space and a long warranty There will also be MANY more model 3s by then on the road many of them making their way to the used market. Having more used cars in the market naturally drives down the price. Maybe my thinking is short sighted but I think a model 3 will be an absolute bargain used in 3 years | TexasLorax | 2018-06-05 12:29:02 | 16 | e05bqcb | I wouldn t count too heavily on the tax credits being around. It was already up for a trim during the last tax review and once a few manufacturers hit the number the ones that have will lobby hard to stop other manufacturers from getting it citing their inability to compete any more. | Kri77777 | 2018-06-05 13:17:42 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8oqech | [discussion] Will the model 3 have low resale value? | Pure conjecture but my logic revolves around the rest of the market and competing with other Tesla vehicles. In 3-4 years time: Some buyers looking at a used model 3 will also be looking at new EVs. New EVs from BMW Audi and Volvo are all expected to be on the market by then. They will have full warranties access to the tax credit and new features. Other buyers looking at used Model 3s may look at upscale economy EVs from VW and Mazda also slated to be released in the next few years. Also able to get warranties and a tax credit. There will also be used Model S s which will be able to be had in the 40-50k range and the upgrade may seem worth to buyers who don t mind the extra stretch for a better car. Also the new model Y might be tempting for people who want more space and a long warranty There will also be MANY more model 3s by then on the road many of them making their way to the used market. Having more used cars in the market naturally drives down the price. Maybe my thinking is short sighted but I think a model 3 will be an absolute bargain used in 3 years | TexasLorax | 2018-06-05 12:29:02 | 16 | e05aqzl | I think it s far too early to tell. Long term reliability Tesla s financial stability gas prices potential import tariffs on foreign cars would all have an effect on the resale market. | TheKobayashiMoron | 2018-06-05 12:58:31 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8oqech | [discussion] Will the model 3 have low resale value? | Pure conjecture but my logic revolves around the rest of the market and competing with other Tesla vehicles. In 3-4 years time: Some buyers looking at a used model 3 will also be looking at new EVs. New EVs from BMW Audi and Volvo are all expected to be on the market by then. They will have full warranties access to the tax credit and new features. Other buyers looking at used Model 3s may look at upscale economy EVs from VW and Mazda also slated to be released in the next few years. Also able to get warranties and a tax credit. There will also be used Model S s which will be able to be had in the 40-50k range and the upgrade may seem worth to buyers who don t mind the extra stretch for a better car. Also the new model Y might be tempting for people who want more space and a long warranty There will also be MANY more model 3s by then on the road many of them making their way to the used market. Having more used cars in the market naturally drives down the price. Maybe my thinking is short sighted but I think a model 3 will be an absolute bargain used in 3 years | TexasLorax | 2018-06-05 12:29:02 | 16 | e05gj20 | This is a question where the true build quality manufacturing processes and material selection choices made by Tesla will tell the tale. If the Model 3 gains a reputation - either in fact or via FUD - as a lemon its resale value will be terrible. If the SD features of other manufacturers are perceived - either in fact or via FUD - as superior to Tesla its resale value will be terrible. If a rapid breakthrough in SS batteries or other EV power source is made that is the IP of another manufacturer - its resale value will be terrible. If Elon s reputation fails - either in fact or via FUD - Tesla is likely to be perceived negatively due to the strong ties between the brand and himself. This will likely spike resale values. If Tesla shutters - which is highly unlikely - whoever has a low mileage vehicle will have a sweet collectable like a Tucker or a Delorean :) | encomlab | 2018-06-05 14:38:17 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8oqech | [discussion] Will the model 3 have low resale value? | Pure conjecture but my logic revolves around the rest of the market and competing with other Tesla vehicles. In 3-4 years time: Some buyers looking at a used model 3 will also be looking at new EVs. New EVs from BMW Audi and Volvo are all expected to be on the market by then. They will have full warranties access to the tax credit and new features. Other buyers looking at used Model 3s may look at upscale economy EVs from VW and Mazda also slated to be released in the next few years. Also able to get warranties and a tax credit. There will also be used Model S s which will be able to be had in the 40-50k range and the upgrade may seem worth to buyers who don t mind the extra stretch for a better car. Also the new model Y might be tempting for people who want more space and a long warranty There will also be MANY more model 3s by then on the road many of them making their way to the used market. Having more used cars in the market naturally drives down the price. Maybe my thinking is short sighted but I think a model 3 will be an absolute bargain used in 3 years | TexasLorax | 2018-06-05 12:29:02 | 16 | e05j0tn | The higher end models will have worse resale values as time goes on. If you can get the $35k version It will hold more of its value as a percentage. Self driving working in the real world will drive up the value of all properly equipped cars even if they don t have the option enabled. | droptablestaroops | 2018-06-05 15:16:30 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8z2pql | [discussion] best sites of TM3 accessories? | Looking for good places to get after market accessories. Amazon doesn t seem to have too much. | SDIESEL | 2018-07-15 16:03:47 | 20 | e2flmtc | Amazon ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | kenriko | 2018-07-15 16:15:49 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82614q | [discussion] best way to keep track of the cars energy consumption for taxes | I m European (Belgian) and I m planning ahead for my model 3. In the next couple of weeks I m planning to have my electricity done and install a charger for the car on a 3phase 240v outlet but I m still undecided on which charger I m going to install. I need a method to keep track of the energy consumption by the car as the model 3 will be mainly for business use and I can get those electricity costs deducted from my taxes. Does the car itself offer a good overview of the energy consumed in a costumisable time frame or do I need to install a charger which keeps track of this or install a monitor on the charging circuit? How do your all manage to do this? | Tha_Reaper | 2018-03-05 13:49:26 | 17 | dv7mr1g | A lot of people use Teslafi for this | scottrobertson | 2018-03-05 13:55:27 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
82614q | [discussion] best way to keep track of the cars energy consumption for taxes | I m European (Belgian) and I m planning ahead for my model 3. In the next couple of weeks I m planning to have my electricity done and install a charger for the car on a 3phase 240v outlet but I m still undecided on which charger I m going to install. I need a method to keep track of the energy consumption by the car as the model 3 will be mainly for business use and I can get those electricity costs deducted from my taxes. Does the car itself offer a good overview of the energy consumed in a costumisable time frame or do I need to install a charger which keeps track of this or install a monitor on the charging circuit? How do your all manage to do this? | Tha_Reaper | 2018-03-05 13:49:26 | 17 | dv7n9f7 | One potential issue you ll run into is that there can be a significant loss of energy between what you put “into” the car (so what your electricity bill reflects what you can write off) and how much your battery charges. You might be able to estimate the difference but ideally you d have a way to measure not just how much the battery is filled but all the energy spent charging it in the first place. | blasterdude8 | 2018-03-05 14:07:23 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
aru3a6 | [discussion] bluetooth calling bug | since it seems tesla is inexplicably uninterested in fixing it does anyone have a workaround for this stupid thing to get bluetooth calling working on the first call? i m at the point now where i m just going to turn phone audio off because i can never know for sure if it s going to actually work or not and i m sick of having to explain to the other party why i have to call them 3 or 4 or 10 times before the call actually works correctly... | matty8199 | 2019-02-18 06:10:30 | 16 | egpqjwd | Yeah this is *super annoying*. It s gotten really bad recently. | baselganglia | 2019-02-18 06:28:58 | 5 | Spotify Gapless Playback |
8oduc6 | [discussion] model 3: pressing button on charger handle now unlocks (finally) | Not sure when this happened but noticed on accident today and was able to unplug without opening a door. FINALLY they made this needed change. | run-the-joules | 2018-06-04 02:30:11 | 41 | e02o9ja | I m on 18.13 and still have to unlock (or wake up with the app) first | McHoffa | 2018-06-04 03:10:56 | 9 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8oduc6 | [discussion] model 3: pressing button on charger handle now unlocks (finally) | Not sure when this happened but noticed on accident today and was able to unplug without opening a door. FINALLY they made this needed change. | run-the-joules | 2018-06-04 02:30:11 | 41 | e02p64z | On 18.13 just tried while car charging had been completed for some time and car was asleep. Tried the buttons several times for about 45 seconds. Nothing. Everything remained asleep. No lights no T logo by chargeport. Then I noticed 2 minutes later that car had left deep sleep on its own as fans had started (while still in cool garage). Noticed that the green T logo was solid by chargeport car still locked. Pressed button and car unlocked! Maybe it s a little better? Still not a resolution for the rear door tap procedure that is second nature to me now to be able to unplug the charger. | jason68030 | 2018-06-04 03:29:42 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8teef4 | [discussion] when (if ever) will 4 1 16 reservation holders actually get to configure their cars? | we re going on three weeks tomorrow that elon made his twitter post saying that day two res holders would get to configure in the next few days and still nothing. no new invites. i m a morning of 4 1 16 res holder sitting here with a may-july delivery window (still) that they seemingly have no chance of hitting at this point...yet they have yet to bump it and still no word on when (if ever) we ll actually get to order first production. it s seemingly pretty obvious that they re trying to delay 200k til after the end of the quarter but any cars ordered now wouldn t be delivered til after the 1st anyway...so what the hell is actually going on here? any thoughts? when will we actually get to order and (perhaps more importantly) when will we actually get to take delivery? edit: just saw the post about how anyone who orders after july 1 will only get free streaming for a year then have to pay after that. so i guess we ll see our invite on july 2. i ve defended them a lot but this really fucking blows. | matty8199 | 2018-06-24 01:10:27 | 33 | e178204 | Sigh thank your lucky stars that you live in the USA. I m in New Zealand and by the time I get mine I will have been waiting over three years. Patience is a virtue as they say. Of course the longer you wait the fewer early production issues you will have to deal with so waiting is not all bad. And for those of you stressing about the tax credit not only does New Zealand not have any incentives at all to buy an EV we get to pay a 15% import duty too. So when you re feeling sick of waiting and there seems no end in sight cheer up... you could be living in New Zealand | deepseagreen | 2018-06-24 06:48:16 | 36 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8teef4 | [discussion] when (if ever) will 4 1 16 reservation holders actually get to configure their cars? | we re going on three weeks tomorrow that elon made his twitter post saying that day two res holders would get to configure in the next few days and still nothing. no new invites. i m a morning of 4 1 16 res holder sitting here with a may-july delivery window (still) that they seemingly have no chance of hitting at this point...yet they have yet to bump it and still no word on when (if ever) we ll actually get to order first production. it s seemingly pretty obvious that they re trying to delay 200k til after the end of the quarter but any cars ordered now wouldn t be delivered til after the 1st anyway...so what the hell is actually going on here? any thoughts? when will we actually get to order and (perhaps more importantly) when will we actually get to take delivery? edit: just saw the post about how anyone who orders after july 1 will only get free streaming for a year then have to pay after that. so i guess we ll see our invite on july 2. i ve defended them a lot but this really fucking blows. | matty8199 | 2018-06-24 01:10:27 | 33 | e16zyu1 | 3 31 reservation holder here. I can configure RWD but want AWD Performance which I can t configure yet. I m in the same boat about this July 1st thing. | croninsiglos | 2018-06-24 03:12:52 | 11 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8teef4 | [discussion] when (if ever) will 4 1 16 reservation holders actually get to configure their cars? | we re going on three weeks tomorrow that elon made his twitter post saying that day two res holders would get to configure in the next few days and still nothing. no new invites. i m a morning of 4 1 16 res holder sitting here with a may-july delivery window (still) that they seemingly have no chance of hitting at this point...yet they have yet to bump it and still no word on when (if ever) we ll actually get to order first production. it s seemingly pretty obvious that they re trying to delay 200k til after the end of the quarter but any cars ordered now wouldn t be delivered til after the 1st anyway...so what the hell is actually going on here? any thoughts? when will we actually get to order and (perhaps more importantly) when will we actually get to take delivery? edit: just saw the post about how anyone who orders after july 1 will only get free streaming for a year then have to pay after that. so i guess we ll see our invite on july 2. i ve defended them a lot but this really fucking blows. | matty8199 | 2018-06-24 01:10:27 | 33 | e1702xd | > but this really fucking blows I mean I recall reading that Tesla is aiming for premium connectivity to cost around $100 yr... that s way less than my phone bill and $50 less than my dad pays for Starlink in his frickin Subaru. That s a *damn* good deal in my mind. I m sorry that you have to wait for your Model 3 but this particular option is a non-issue in my mind. | ersatzcrab | 2018-06-24 03:15:25 | 7 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8teef4 | [discussion] when (if ever) will 4 1 16 reservation holders actually get to configure their cars? | we re going on three weeks tomorrow that elon made his twitter post saying that day two res holders would get to configure in the next few days and still nothing. no new invites. i m a morning of 4 1 16 res holder sitting here with a may-july delivery window (still) that they seemingly have no chance of hitting at this point...yet they have yet to bump it and still no word on when (if ever) we ll actually get to order first production. it s seemingly pretty obvious that they re trying to delay 200k til after the end of the quarter but any cars ordered now wouldn t be delivered til after the 1st anyway...so what the hell is actually going on here? any thoughts? when will we actually get to order and (perhaps more importantly) when will we actually get to take delivery? edit: just saw the post about how anyone who orders after july 1 will only get free streaming for a year then have to pay after that. so i guess we ll see our invite on july 2. i ve defended them a lot but this really fucking blows. | matty8199 | 2018-06-24 01:10:27 | 33 | e17l51j | 4 1 reservation holder too probably about 1230am. It comes when it comes they seem to be working as hard and fast as they can so I have no qualms. I really don t feel like they owe me anything and so if it s after July 1 I m fine with it and I doubt it s some strategic move for the internet revenue | mmmbcn | 2018-06-24 13:57:13 | 7 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8k7a96 | [discussion] will 4 1 reservations be fulfilled by the end of their current may-july delivery window? | there seems to be more than one person on tmc that thinks they re going to switch to all AWD after they make it live and that those of us who reserved not even 12 hours after the reveal will have to wait until after all of those orders are filled before we even get an invite to configure ours...let alone take delivery. anyone have thoughts on this? for me personally after already having my window pushed back twice (jan-mar to feb-apr now may-july) if i don t even have an invite to configure by the end of july i d probably start thinking about canceling my reservation. i can t imagine they d do that to people who reserved within 24 hours of the reveal but who knows...i m starting to get a little antsy though after the tweet about AWD going live this week. | matty8199 | 2018-05-17 20:04:38 | 12 | dz65h5v | Same boat. 4 1 reserved online at 1:30am pacific. May-jul est delivery after bumped twice. Ugh. | thesexychicken | 2018-05-18 04:34:40 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
dab8bd | [help] Model 3 broken into last night | Thankfully i had nothing in my 3 bar a couple of bucks and a colts hat. He managed to get in without damaging marking the car. Unfortunately i had sentry off at home (corrected now) and my ring didn t activate the motion lights but did capture the below blurry videos of him getting in and exiting. It looks like he has something in his hand to open the door but its pretty fast. [https: ring.com share 6741258093740077007](https: ring.com share 6741258093740077007?fbclid=IwAR2zjbFRHu4C-g-Qi28eI9U9927TiKJHpvNr_ojLR9Rj22KQCdl3irtuHS8) [https: ring.com share 6741258536121708495](https: ring.com share 6741258536121708495) There was a run of these in our neighborhood last night but i think i got off pretty luck considering However i got the below error on my tesla app saying my 3 is no longer in your tesla account. I checked and it is i also changed my password just in case but its got me a little worried. I will try drop by a service station tomorrow but do you think he somehow could have unlinked it to open the door without triggering the alarm or perhaps after installing V10 last night it didn t lock the car? [https: imgur.com a UuP4gOw](https: imgur.com a UuP4gOw) | yodagnic | 2019-09-28 04:05:15 | 14 | f1ofpin | Always have Sentry mode on and PIN to drive. Double check your baby is locked every time you leave the car just wait for the beep and mirrors to fold. This could have been prevented but luckily nothing important was taken or damaged. As for the app log in and out. If that doesn t work go on a computer and see if it s still there when you log in if it is try complete reinstall of app. Keep sentry mode as PIN to drive on from now on!! Have a good night. | [deleted] | 2019-09-28 04:11:32 | 10 | Tesla phone key functionality |
dab8bd | [help] Model 3 broken into last night | Thankfully i had nothing in my 3 bar a couple of bucks and a colts hat. He managed to get in without damaging marking the car. Unfortunately i had sentry off at home (corrected now) and my ring didn t activate the motion lights but did capture the below blurry videos of him getting in and exiting. It looks like he has something in his hand to open the door but its pretty fast. [https: ring.com share 6741258093740077007](https: ring.com share 6741258093740077007?fbclid=IwAR2zjbFRHu4C-g-Qi28eI9U9927TiKJHpvNr_ojLR9Rj22KQCdl3irtuHS8) [https: ring.com share 6741258536121708495](https: ring.com share 6741258536121708495) There was a run of these in our neighborhood last night but i think i got off pretty luck considering However i got the below error on my tesla app saying my 3 is no longer in your tesla account. I checked and it is i also changed my password just in case but its got me a little worried. I will try drop by a service station tomorrow but do you think he somehow could have unlinked it to open the door without triggering the alarm or perhaps after installing V10 last night it didn t lock the car? [https: imgur.com a UuP4gOw](https: imgur.com a UuP4gOw) | yodagnic | 2019-09-28 04:05:15 | 14 | f1oo5lt | I got this error twice today. It s just coincidence for you. | sco_solace | 2019-09-28 07:00:59 | 7 | Tesla phone key functionality |
5smydp | [meta] Hey r teslamotors put your money where your mouth is and make me pay... | I think there s a way to turn our (usually) friendly disagreements into something positive. It s no secret I m pessimistic on Tesla s ability to make the Model 3 on time (even though there really isn t a clear on time date). But opinions are like a**holes right? So let s make this interesting. I propose the following wager with the sub for anyone to participate : ~~**November 1 2017**~~ *see below* That s the over under date. If Tesla starts mass production of the Model 3 *before* that date I will donate a dollar per day (or more keep reading) to the ASPCA (https: www.aspca.org ). For every day *after* November 1st that they have not yet started mass production everyone who signs on has to give $1 per day to a charity to be determined. For every 3 people who sign on to play I ll give an extra dollar per day. So 1-3 people = $1 day 4-6 people = $2 day etc. Full disclosure - I have to cap my donation at $500. If we want to put the same limit on the sub as a whole that s fair too. But come on there s a lot of you and one of me :) - mass production is defined as the first day that 100 or more Tesla Model 3s are produced *for sale to the public*. I ll defer to u 110110 as arbiter if there s dispute on what that day is although something tells me Fred will be on top of it. - The charity for r teslamotors to gift their money to will be decided by a vote amongst those who participate. One post or message to the players to nominate charities then a vote. - I m open to suggestions to rule terms changes. Ultimately I just want to have a bet going and have something good come from it either way. Let s say it s roughly one week until we finalize who is in. EDIT : For further clarity cars sold to employees count. Since there s some dissatisfaction with the over under date and u cliffordcat is a great guy I ll give you **December 1 2017** as the new date. In so far (please comment if I missed you) : - IHeartMyKitten (feline user names unite!) - Greygabe - Chemical_me - TheKrs1 (knowledge reigns supreme) - a1000wtp So I m already on the hook for $2 day before December 1st. C mon folks make me pay! Also let s say $100 person cap on your donation in case Elon Time stretches into 2019. | cliffordcat | 2017-02-07 18:04:31 | 86 | ddgct6q | I m in. Worse case scenario a couple puppers get a bit of love. | IHeartMyKitten | 2017-02-07 19:14:15 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5smydp | [meta] Hey r teslamotors put your money where your mouth is and make me pay... | I think there s a way to turn our (usually) friendly disagreements into something positive. It s no secret I m pessimistic on Tesla s ability to make the Model 3 on time (even though there really isn t a clear on time date). But opinions are like a**holes right? So let s make this interesting. I propose the following wager with the sub for anyone to participate : ~~**November 1 2017**~~ *see below* That s the over under date. If Tesla starts mass production of the Model 3 *before* that date I will donate a dollar per day (or more keep reading) to the ASPCA (https: www.aspca.org ). For every day *after* November 1st that they have not yet started mass production everyone who signs on has to give $1 per day to a charity to be determined. For every 3 people who sign on to play I ll give an extra dollar per day. So 1-3 people = $1 day 4-6 people = $2 day etc. Full disclosure - I have to cap my donation at $500. If we want to put the same limit on the sub as a whole that s fair too. But come on there s a lot of you and one of me :) - mass production is defined as the first day that 100 or more Tesla Model 3s are produced *for sale to the public*. I ll defer to u 110110 as arbiter if there s dispute on what that day is although something tells me Fred will be on top of it. - The charity for r teslamotors to gift their money to will be decided by a vote amongst those who participate. One post or message to the players to nominate charities then a vote. - I m open to suggestions to rule terms changes. Ultimately I just want to have a bet going and have something good come from it either way. Let s say it s roughly one week until we finalize who is in. EDIT : For further clarity cars sold to employees count. Since there s some dissatisfaction with the over under date and u cliffordcat is a great guy I ll give you **December 1 2017** as the new date. In so far (please comment if I missed you) : - IHeartMyKitten (feline user names unite!) - Greygabe - Chemical_me - TheKrs1 (knowledge reigns supreme) - a1000wtp So I m already on the hook for $2 day before December 1st. C mon folks make me pay! Also let s say $100 person cap on your donation in case Elon Time stretches into 2019. | cliffordcat | 2017-02-07 18:04:31 | 86 | ddgjwl7 | I m in. RemindMe! November 1 2017 | TheKrs1 | 2017-02-07 21:25:01 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
40bgl2 | [question]Why do people actually buy tesla cars? | I m working on an article regarding car brands and the reason why consumers like the brand model. If any one wants to write a comment into why you would buy a Tesla car (since it doesn t have that amount of models keep it general)? Also please state in which country you live. thanks in advance | Deluxo | 2016-01-10 14:23:28 | 24 | cyswolb | There is a marketing concept that refers to categories of buyers. The term Innovators refers to people who are adventurous and have to have cutting edge technology even if there is a chance it won t become mainstream. These people buy things like Google Goggles and I would argue that many purchasers of Tesla Roadster were in this category. Beyond that Early Adopters are prone to purchase cutting edge technology that has already proven to be useful effective etc. These folks tend to drive trends based on successes of the Innovators. IPhone buyers 4K TVs and I would also argue Model S Model X buyers. I think Early Adopters see what the Tesla Model S X have to offer in terms of safety technology driveability and potential reliability (which is seeming to pan out better in later models). I know this is why I got mine (in Texas). Mine doesn t even have AutoPilot but still the technology is amazing. It s the safest car out there (from all the evidence I have seen so far). I have worked on cars for years (minor to mid level stuff brakes clutches CV joints alternators etc) and when I look at the small number of moving parts in the Model S I can see that this car should last a long long time. And finally just drive one. Its so quiet and smooth it literally makes ICE cars feel like driving an antiquated piece of crap. My G37S before this car was great but it has NOTHING on my S85. | tacomaboy | 2016-01-10 15:17:31 | 24 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
40bgl2 | [question]Why do people actually buy tesla cars? | I m working on an article regarding car brands and the reason why consumers like the brand model. If any one wants to write a comment into why you would buy a Tesla car (since it doesn t have that amount of models keep it general)? Also please state in which country you live. thanks in advance | Deluxo | 2016-01-10 14:23:28 | 24 | cysy1b2 | It s the future. Simple as that. You drive one and your perspective is changed. Tesla isn t just an electric vehicle company they are a lifestyle company like Apple. People aspire to own and be associated with Tesla. | OompaOrangeFace | 2016-01-10 16:07:03 | 14 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
40bgl2 | [question]Why do people actually buy tesla cars? | I m working on an article regarding car brands and the reason why consumers like the brand model. If any one wants to write a comment into why you would buy a Tesla car (since it doesn t have that amount of models keep it general)? Also please state in which country you live. thanks in advance | Deluxo | 2016-01-10 14:23:28 | 24 | cyt2jt1 | I m in the US. I have never purchased a luxury car before and likely never will again. My last two cars were a Toyota Camry and a Honda Odyssey. Practical affordable cars. My new 70D is way outside my normal profile. So why did I buy one? Tesla is about being part of a sea change in how we relate to driving. It s about quality of life and engineering being front and center. It s about supporting electric vehicles self-driving and consumer-focus with my family s dollars. I want to reward the world for coming up with a nigh-perfect vehicle. I am *thrilled* with my new car. It is everything right about how technology can help and enhance people s lives. It is new different and aimed at perfect rather than good enough. | zaphnod | 2016-01-10 18:21:42 | 14 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
40bgl2 | [question]Why do people actually buy tesla cars? | I m working on an article regarding car brands and the reason why consumers like the brand model. If any one wants to write a comment into why you would buy a Tesla car (since it doesn t have that amount of models keep it general)? Also please state in which country you live. thanks in advance | Deluxo | 2016-01-10 14:23:28 | 24 | cysw1uu | More answers here https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 3zxgq3 why_did_you_buy_a_tesla | EatMoarToads | 2016-01-10 14:51:19 | 8 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
40bgl2 | [question]Why do people actually buy tesla cars? | I m working on an article regarding car brands and the reason why consumers like the brand model. If any one wants to write a comment into why you would buy a Tesla car (since it doesn t have that amount of models keep it general)? Also please state in which country you live. thanks in advance | Deluxo | 2016-01-10 14:23:28 | 24 | cyt4mdi | No need to haggle a dealership for the best price who just want to screw you over. You buy online and the price is set and then they deliver it to you. It s that simple. | Elon_Musk_is_God | 2016-01-10 19:14:48 | 7 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
40bgl2 | [question]Why do people actually buy tesla cars? | I m working on an article regarding car brands and the reason why consumers like the brand model. If any one wants to write a comment into why you would buy a Tesla car (since it doesn t have that amount of models keep it general)? Also please state in which country you live. thanks in advance | Deluxo | 2016-01-10 14:23:28 | 24 | cyt7k4l | Most of the comments you ll get are about the advanced technology and driver comfort convenience. Those are very important attractions to the vehicle for me but one of the things that I find even more compelling is the EIGHT year and UNLIMITED mileage warranty on the primary drivetrain. Frankly that s just unheard of with any ICE vehicle. So at first the math seems to stack up against the Tesla if you are a frugal person by nature like me: Why get a Model S for $75 000 when a really nice brand new Chevy Malibu with absolutely every possible dealer upgrade will be under $30 000? I just need to get to work and run errands! However I don t really believe that any ICE vehicle will be especially reliable after 100 000 miles. That s when you start getting extremely expensive transmission and engine repairs. So what most of us do is buy multiple disposable ICE cars and throw away $30 000 every 100 000 miles. The Tesla has a really compelling value argument: Stop tossing out cheap cars over and over again buy ONE really good one and drive it for 10 years. Electric motors virtually never break. We don t even HAVE a transmission at all (in the traditional sense) that even could break in the car. We re not just selling you smoke and mirrors we re SO sure of this that we ll give you the ONLY unlimited mileage warranty in the market. When I started to thing about it this way I have to ask myself why on earth I would sit myself down in a series of cheap technologically ancient and vastly less luxurious Honda Ford Chevy mid-range cars for the next few hundred thousand miles of my life. They will end up costing me the same $75 000 but if I buy the Tesla it ll chauffeur me (at least in the fast lane... Autopilot is an INCREDIBLE feature in a freeway cruise control situation which many of us would use constantly.) My ONLY quibble with Tesla is that I really wish they would offer a series hybrid version. I don t need 250 mile battery range 9 out of 10 trips but I m paying for a $75 000 car with a $40 000 huge battery. Sell me a $50 000 model S with a $10 000 small battery that is only 50 miles of range (which is plenty for my 9 out of 10 trips) but includes a mechanically independent gas extender module that is under $5 000 of cost for the 1 in 10 trips that I need to go further than 50 miles. The Tesla costs more than I want because they have more battery than I want to buy and will normally use. I don t trust the longevity of the Volt Prius Plug-in Ford Fusion Energi because they have *mechanically integrated* gas engines. The BMW i3 is my perfect design: a purely electric drivetrain that I feel will last 500 000 miles nearly maintenance free a small battery to keep the cost down but is entirely sufficient for the vast majority of my trips and a mechanically independent and removable gas generator to make electricity for the 1 on 10 trips that go past battery range. The tragedy there was that BMW was fooled by the state of California into thinking that if they met one particular requirement (that the gas range be no more than the battery range) they would get the coveted zero-emission white sticker HOV lane access so BMW saddle the i3 with an absurdly small 1.9-gallon gas tank so that the 100-mile range in gas extender mode wouldn t be more than the ironically larger-than needed 100-mile battery range. California regulators screwed up the i3 not BMW. Anyway Nissan has now announced plans for a true mechanically-independent gas range-extender version of the Leaf drivetrain (it s not named yet though...) and hopefully BMW will put a reasonable 10-gallon tank into the 2017 i3 so there should be two vehicles on the market next year that I may like better than the Tesla (assuming BMW and Nissan can get their acts together and have at least a freeway super-cruise-control Autopilot type of feature.) The i3 is like $45 000 now I ll guess the Nissan will be $35 000 and both should have a 50 or 100 mile battery which is plenty for my usual trips plus my *removable* generator to give me unlimited range when I need it WITHOUT creating an engineering longevity nightmare like the Volt (which I believe is going to have very expensive transmission engine repairs after the 100 000 mile warranty expires.) So I ll wait a year or two to see if I can get a true series-hybrid design and if not I ll go with a Tesla. But I have no interest at all in any ICE vehicle ever again. I m done with 100 000 mile warranty disposable cars. | AdamaLlama | 2016-01-10 20:26:53 | 7 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
40bgl2 | [question]Why do people actually buy tesla cars? | I m working on an article regarding car brands and the reason why consumers like the brand model. If any one wants to write a comment into why you would buy a Tesla car (since it doesn t have that amount of models keep it general)? Also please state in which country you live. thanks in advance | Deluxo | 2016-01-10 14:23:28 | 24 | cyt8e8l | I haven t bought one yet but I m heavily invested in the company because of how forward thinking they are. They re making amazing powerful and flat out fun cars but for the first time that I ve ever heard of it they can just push updates to the car and improve the experience past the stock capabilities on the date of purchase. I had a Nissan Leaf that didn t understand a complicated intersection near my house. It was a 4way intersection underneath a highway overpass so satellite imagery couldn t see it. The GPS always said to go the wrong way. Even if I managed to get that problem fixed with the navigation company that problem would still exist in my car unless I paid a dealership to upgrade the onboard maps. Tesla can just push the update over the internet and suddenly my car s better. I recently read that GM **can t** put in OTA updates to their vehicles because their dealership contracts prevent them from making cars that can be upgraded without dealerships getting to perform the upgrades. Their antiquated dealership model has actually hamstrung their ability to innovate. I think that s going to give Tesla a significant advantage in automation. They can simply put in the sensors and processing and then once legislation is worked out and the software is honed well enough they can press a button and the next morning your steering wheel is superfluous. Now the car drives itself. Meanwhile GM has to sell you a whole new car to add that feature. | samcrut | 2016-01-10 20:47:16 | 6 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
dld71t | [reminder] Installing software updates leaves the doors unlocked until you lock them yourself (tested on m3) | Tested again yesterday with the latest beta (32.12.2) software release on a model 3 doors where locked pre-update but remain unlocked for hours after updating mirrors remain folded so car looks locked. This is how someone broke into my car a few weeks back. I didn t think to test if sentry mode turns itself back on. Installing from your phone is awesome now but remember to check back in and lock those doors! | yodagnic | 2019-10-22 05:20:41 | 58 | f4psbb4 | Always install in a safe place. | mjezzi | 2019-10-22 10:55:18 | 13 | Tesla phone key functionality |
dld71t | [reminder] Installing software updates leaves the doors unlocked until you lock them yourself (tested on m3) | Tested again yesterday with the latest beta (32.12.2) software release on a model 3 doors where locked pre-update but remain unlocked for hours after updating mirrors remain folded so car looks locked. This is how someone broke into my car a few weeks back. I didn t think to test if sentry mode turns itself back on. Installing from your phone is awesome now but remember to check back in and lock those doors! | yodagnic | 2019-10-22 05:20:41 | 58 | f4ptnzp | Sentry mode doesn t turn itself back on because you explicitly have to turn it off before updating. | Ihaveamodel3 | 2019-10-22 11:10:31 | 12 | Tesla phone key functionality |
dld71t | [reminder] Installing software updates leaves the doors unlocked until you lock them yourself (tested on m3) | Tested again yesterday with the latest beta (32.12.2) software release on a model 3 doors where locked pre-update but remain unlocked for hours after updating mirrors remain folded so car looks locked. This is how someone broke into my car a few weeks back. I didn t think to test if sentry mode turns itself back on. Installing from your phone is awesome now but remember to check back in and lock those doors! | yodagnic | 2019-10-22 05:20:41 | 58 | f4q37ea | Not a real solution and not an argument against your point - but the Stats app will lock the doors if they are not locked and you are not nearby. | TheNewJasonBourne | 2019-10-22 12:27:32 | 6 | Tesla phone key functionality |
7e5133 | [semi] Tesla RV | stretch the semi chassis and build a RV on it. you ll have a 40 000 pound vehicle(with all the water people etc) that can go over 500 miles per charge. it will also have plenty of battery power to run all the hotel loads so you can camp in places with out hook ups or have to run a generator. you could cover the roof in solar panels for a couple kilowatts of charging. RV camp ground electrical hookups have a 240v 50 amp socket to plug into. The RV campground electrical hookups turn any rv camp site into a place where a tesla semi could park for mandated rest period. | sl600rt | 2017-11-20 00:56:19 | 73 | dq2n3pw | This would be an amazing business model. A vacation RV that picks you and your family up at your doorstep then takes you on a tour of the country while you relax and sleep. It wakes you when you arrive at interesting stops along the way and eventually drops you off at home. Think about NYC to Disney World. Get on the Tesla RV at 5pm on Friday night... pull up at the front of Disney at 9am on Saturday. Spend a few days. Get back on at 8pm and you re back on your doorstep at 11am Monday morning. You re sleeping the majority of the time... and when you re not you re relaxing watching tv playing games. Compare that to airline travel. | 22marks | 2017-11-20 02:34:41 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7e5133 | [semi] Tesla RV | stretch the semi chassis and build a RV on it. you ll have a 40 000 pound vehicle(with all the water people etc) that can go over 500 miles per charge. it will also have plenty of battery power to run all the hotel loads so you can camp in places with out hook ups or have to run a generator. you could cover the roof in solar panels for a couple kilowatts of charging. RV camp ground electrical hookups have a 240v 50 amp socket to plug into. The RV campground electrical hookups turn any rv camp site into a place where a tesla semi could park for mandated rest period. | sl600rt | 2017-11-20 00:56:19 | 73 | dq2jt6h | I don t see Tesla spending resources on this but it could be a great opportunity for a company that does custom conversions. | RGuyM | 2017-11-20 01:30:53 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
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