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5m96zo | [Q] Does anyone think the Model 3 will be capable of a faster charging speed? | Faster charging speed as another eventual way to easy supercharger congestion? | trinitesla | 2017-01-05 21:26:13 | 13 | dc1rmbw | Reduced charging time would be a way to increase the capacity (measured in cars charged) of the existing SC network. | frowawayduh | 2017-01-05 21:31:49 | 9 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
5m96zo | [Q] Does anyone think the Model 3 will be capable of a faster charging speed? | Faster charging speed as another eventual way to easy supercharger congestion? | trinitesla | 2017-01-05 21:26:13 | 13 | dc1s2nw | I m curious of it ll come standard supercharging speed with an unlock-able V3 charging . I believe we ll see alot of optional necessities to hit the 35k base price. | DrapedInVelvet | 2017-01-05 21:40:19 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
5m96zo | [Q] Does anyone think the Model 3 will be capable of a faster charging speed? | Faster charging speed as another eventual way to easy supercharger congestion? | trinitesla | 2017-01-05 21:26:13 | 13 | dc1rimy | It ll be interesting to see what those 21-70 s can do. :D | purestevil | 2017-01-05 21:29:57 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
5m96zo | [Q] Does anyone think the Model 3 will be capable of a faster charging speed? | Faster charging speed as another eventual way to easy supercharger congestion? | trinitesla | 2017-01-05 21:26:13 | 13 | dc1simn | I m not quite as sure as the other posters. Battery charge rate is highly dependent on the size of the battery. Given the smaller size of the model 3 + the low price I m going to assume that to get 215 miles of range they will need only a 40-50 kWh battery. That would mean slower charging actually (could be made equal with better tech) | Lunares | 2017-01-05 21:48:38 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
3wt68l | [Question] Are distribution channels stores and Superchargers being ramped up for Gigafactory output? | I was just curious if there was any reading material on this. I love to read that stuff. Thanks! | PM_ME_A_NEW_USERNAME | 2015-12-14 17:40:12 | 11 | cxzd63q | I think Tesla is at least kinda trying to conserve cash. They are not going to build too far in advance. Even with the gigafactory running they are not going to have big problems with superchargers. Most of them sit empty. If the number of cars doubles they don t need twice as many superchargers they just need twice as many in certain locations (the coasts). Service centers are a different issue. If the new cars are more reliable then the current model S they should be fine. They CANNOT afford another major issue like the drive motor problems trying up service centers. If they have another big issue they will need a hell of a lot of expansion. | cryptoanarchy | 2015-12-15 01:44:13 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
5nxn9r | [Question] Tesla owners that live no where near a Tesla service center how do you get service? | I reveal night preordered a 3 and am still committed. However it s a 3-4 drive to my closest service center. Thanx in advance! | admiralnorman | 2017-01-14 14:25:05 | 17 | dcf2zae | I live four hours from the nearest service center. I was told they would try to diagnose over the air. If necessary they would flat bed a loaner to me take my car for servicing then flat bed mine back to me (and pick up the loaner). They said they would do this until the was a closer service center. | craigs65 | 2017-01-14 15:33:41 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5nxn9r | [Question] Tesla owners that live no where near a Tesla service center how do you get service? | I reveal night preordered a 3 and am still committed. However it s a 3-4 drive to my closest service center. Thanx in advance! | admiralnorman | 2017-01-14 14:25:05 | 17 | dcf4jnh | Our X had been in and out of the shop several times. ~150 miles from the SC. They have trailered it each time and brought me a loaner. Non-issue so far. | qadaemon | 2017-01-14 16:14:01 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5nxn9r | [Question] Tesla owners that live no where near a Tesla service center how do you get service? | I reveal night preordered a 3 and am still committed. However it s a 3-4 drive to my closest service center. Thanx in advance! | admiralnorman | 2017-01-14 14:25:05 | 17 | dcf4t3b | Haven t needed anything other than a 12 volt warning and a charge port door acting up. The ranger service took care of that and my annual service all together. Otherwise if there were a critical issue they would flat bed the car. For the next annual service we ll probably make a trip out if it. | Skysurfer27 | 2017-01-14 16:20:35 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
dsuc1j | [Question] There is an A C on-off button why no Heater on-off button? | Now that it s getting cold where I live I notice just how much energy the heater takes. I need to ventilate the interior to remove humidity because when I turn off the (active) ventilation the windows fog up within a minute. I also want to avoid unnecessary energy usage. I don t mind having my coat on in the car. In summer I can choose to have the temperature regulated without using A C. Why can t we have the option to avoid the use of the heater? It is much more costly than A C in terms of energy usage. In ICE cars I can understand that there is no need for a Heater on-off button because heat is free. 80% of the energy from the fuel is going into heat anyway. You just have to divert a tiny portion into the cabin. With electric cars you have to purposely waste energy to create heat especially the way Tesla implemented it using resistance heating. At the moment I turn the temperature down way low turn A C off and set the fan speed to 1. Seems like a logical thing to just have a Heater on-off button to not have to do all these things. | woek | 2019-11-07 07:26:15 | 55 | f6sddid | I want this exact feature for the same reason. I don t know why it s hard for others to understand. We want air to circulate flow but the ability to turn off on the actual heater. | Tikistand | 2019-11-07 13:09:42 | 16 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
dsuc1j | [Question] There is an A C on-off button why no Heater on-off button? | Now that it s getting cold where I live I notice just how much energy the heater takes. I need to ventilate the interior to remove humidity because when I turn off the (active) ventilation the windows fog up within a minute. I also want to avoid unnecessary energy usage. I don t mind having my coat on in the car. In summer I can choose to have the temperature regulated without using A C. Why can t we have the option to avoid the use of the heater? It is much more costly than A C in terms of energy usage. In ICE cars I can understand that there is no need for a Heater on-off button because heat is free. 80% of the energy from the fuel is going into heat anyway. You just have to divert a tiny portion into the cabin. With electric cars you have to purposely waste energy to create heat especially the way Tesla implemented it using resistance heating. At the moment I turn the temperature down way low turn A C off and set the fan speed to 1. Seems like a logical thing to just have a Heater on-off button to not have to do all these things. | woek | 2019-11-07 07:26:15 | 55 | f6sx42v | There is no glycol coolant loop between the battery and cabin heater. The cabin is heated by a resistive element. The waste heat from the motors is used to keep the battery warm to prevent range from being cut due to low temperatures. Switching the car to LO with no A C should accomplish fans with no active heating but you will be chilly. When I drove across the US in December (in 4 days!) I kept the HVAC entirely off wore warm clothes gloves and used the heated seat (my 2013 Model S is too old to have a heated steering wheel). Range was pretty good because the car was either charging or driving for 4 days straight which kept the battery warm. I used the preheat function whenever I had spare time at a charger to charge the thermal battery which is the thermal mass of the car. I suspect Tesla omitted the glycol heater core for the cabin because there is not a whole lot of waste heat to circulate to the cabin. This would cool the battery which could in theory cut range more than just switching on the resistive heating element. | computerwiz_222 | 2019-11-07 15:36:15 | 15 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
dsuc1j | [Question] There is an A C on-off button why no Heater on-off button? | Now that it s getting cold where I live I notice just how much energy the heater takes. I need to ventilate the interior to remove humidity because when I turn off the (active) ventilation the windows fog up within a minute. I also want to avoid unnecessary energy usage. I don t mind having my coat on in the car. In summer I can choose to have the temperature regulated without using A C. Why can t we have the option to avoid the use of the heater? It is much more costly than A C in terms of energy usage. In ICE cars I can understand that there is no need for a Heater on-off button because heat is free. 80% of the energy from the fuel is going into heat anyway. You just have to divert a tiny portion into the cabin. With electric cars you have to purposely waste energy to create heat especially the way Tesla implemented it using resistance heating. At the moment I turn the temperature down way low turn A C off and set the fan speed to 1. Seems like a logical thing to just have a Heater on-off button to not have to do all these things. | woek | 2019-11-07 07:26:15 | 55 | f6s7iow | I would really just like fresh air blowing on me!!!! | liberty4u2 | 2019-11-07 12:13:06 | 9 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
dsuc1j | [Question] There is an A C on-off button why no Heater on-off button? | Now that it s getting cold where I live I notice just how much energy the heater takes. I need to ventilate the interior to remove humidity because when I turn off the (active) ventilation the windows fog up within a minute. I also want to avoid unnecessary energy usage. I don t mind having my coat on in the car. In summer I can choose to have the temperature regulated without using A C. Why can t we have the option to avoid the use of the heater? It is much more costly than A C in terms of energy usage. In ICE cars I can understand that there is no need for a Heater on-off button because heat is free. 80% of the energy from the fuel is going into heat anyway. You just have to divert a tiny portion into the cabin. With electric cars you have to purposely waste energy to create heat especially the way Tesla implemented it using resistance heating. At the moment I turn the temperature down way low turn A C off and set the fan speed to 1. Seems like a logical thing to just have a Heater on-off button to not have to do all these things. | woek | 2019-11-07 07:26:15 | 55 | f6s5m27 | YES!!! I ve been asking for over a year for this please! | mechrock | 2019-11-07 11:52:40 | 8 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
dsuc1j | [Question] There is an A C on-off button why no Heater on-off button? | Now that it s getting cold where I live I notice just how much energy the heater takes. I need to ventilate the interior to remove humidity because when I turn off the (active) ventilation the windows fog up within a minute. I also want to avoid unnecessary energy usage. I don t mind having my coat on in the car. In summer I can choose to have the temperature regulated without using A C. Why can t we have the option to avoid the use of the heater? It is much more costly than A C in terms of energy usage. In ICE cars I can understand that there is no need for a Heater on-off button because heat is free. 80% of the energy from the fuel is going into heat anyway. You just have to divert a tiny portion into the cabin. With electric cars you have to purposely waste energy to create heat especially the way Tesla implemented it using resistance heating. At the moment I turn the temperature down way low turn A C off and set the fan speed to 1. Seems like a logical thing to just have a Heater on-off button to not have to do all these things. | woek | 2019-11-07 07:26:15 | 55 | f6sedus | Use the A C to dehumidify. It s not that significant an amount of energy. | drdabbles | 2019-11-07 13:17:51 | 5 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
6r8x7j | [Question] What s the longest you ve had to wait for a supercharger? | As a soon to be model 3 owner I m wondering what the worst case scenario is for added time on a roadtrip. (I realize that it will likely get worse with the influx of model 3s) | DinoGarret | 2017-08-03 01:15:51 | 18 | dl3a1pp | I ve been to approximatly 80 unique superchargers across the US. Never had to wait. Gotten the last spot 4 times. 2 of the 4 times was Newark DE which they have since changed from a 4 stall to 12 stall. The other two were Fremont CA and Lumberton NC. Lumberton is also an old 4 stall and is slated to be replaced with a 12 stall. | rabidchinchilla | 2017-08-03 01:51:00 | 12 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
6r8x7j | [Question] What s the longest you ve had to wait for a supercharger? | As a soon to be model 3 owner I m wondering what the worst case scenario is for added time on a roadtrip. (I realize that it will likely get worse with the influx of model 3s) | DinoGarret | 2017-08-03 01:15:51 | 18 | dl3ajve | Florida here. Never waited to start supercharging. Once hooked up never had to stay more than 20 minutes to get to the next supercharger. Only had the car for a few months but already completed 4 road trips. Miami to Savannah GA and back 2 weekends ago was a breeze. | greygabe | 2017-08-03 02:01:49 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
6r8x7j | [Question] What s the longest you ve had to wait for a supercharger? | As a soon to be model 3 owner I m wondering what the worst case scenario is for added time on a roadtrip. (I realize that it will likely get worse with the influx of model 3s) | DinoGarret | 2017-08-03 01:15:51 | 18 | dl3as4g | 45 minutes at the Tesla Factory ( around 5:30-6:00pm ) . Was behind 5-6 cars when I reached. 30 odd minutes at Mountain View too. | Gunnernaut7 | 2017-08-03 02:06:45 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
6r8x7j | [Question] What s the longest you ve had to wait for a supercharger? | As a soon to be model 3 owner I m wondering what the worst case scenario is for added time on a roadtrip. (I realize that it will likely get worse with the influx of model 3s) | DinoGarret | 2017-08-03 01:15:51 | 18 | dl3fvfk | about an hour when we went down to San Diego a few weeks ago. There s only one super charger at the Qualcomm campus north of San Diego with 8 (?) spots. When we got there a substantial line had already built up. We sat there for about 45 waiting for a spot then another 30-45 to charge. | KrustysKomedyKlassic | 2017-08-03 04:04:56 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
6r8x7j | [Question] What s the longest you ve had to wait for a supercharger? | As a soon to be model 3 owner I m wondering what the worst case scenario is for added time on a roadtrip. (I realize that it will likely get worse with the influx of model 3s) | DinoGarret | 2017-08-03 01:15:51 | 18 | dl38vc4 | I had to wait for 10 minutes once at Tejon Ranch... it was the Sunday evening after Thanksgiving. | _gosolar_ | 2017-08-03 01:25:44 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
eiz4qq | [Question] Where can I find info on feature by model HW MCU etc? | Edit: if this post gets some traction without an answer I will start the table and we can all collaborate to create this thing if it doesn t exist. This is a really long shot... (cleared with a Mod before posting). I ve scavenged the Web for a source for this info... But i can t for the love of my kids find out. I have a Model S. June 2017. So pre HW2.5 or whatever it is I have that prevents me from getting a lot of the cool stuff more recent cars get. (I was already super lucky to get my car uncorked (you guys remember that speed boost? - didn t cost 2k... I had even forgotten about it...)) sorry I digress. So... Do you all know if someone has had the kind soul to compile all of the features per model HW MCU year etc? Maybe an excel with features as rows model year hw mcu as columns and a YES NO would suffice. :) I m saying to the level of : Smart Summon Netflix Games etc... I just received 2019.40.2.5 and was hoping for some nice new features but again nothing new on that front. So if there is a place I could go to see what I am missing on it would give me some motivation to contact Tesla more avidly in an attempt to get my hardware upgraded (whenever they plan to start doing that). Having bought FSD and being in Europe I am triply bummed by all the differences in versions and the lack of coverage for Europeans is quite difficult to accept also... Unless it is just my inability to find such information! Many warm thanks for an eventual reply. My best wishes to all for 2020. | thiagogaith | 2020-01-02 14:51:04 | 32 | fcuydo2 | Really wish they would add an “about my car” tab with all the info about MCU Autopilot HW etc. in the car itself. It would let people understand their cars better and especially help when looking at used cars. | EricTheYellow | 2020-01-02 18:49:51 | 5 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
bm1vc5 | [Question]Replacement Tires Model 3 LR? | Hi All I have hit 3 32 on my rear wheels after 21k miles and looking to replace my [Primacy MXM4s](https: www.tirerack.com tires tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin& tireModel=Primacy+MXM4& partnum=345WR8MXM4PXL& vehicleSearch=true& fromCompare1=yes& autoMake=Tesla& autoYear=2018& autoModel=Model%203& autoModClar=Rear-Wheel%20Drive) on my 18 wheels. I really like these tires they drive really well in dry wet conditions and are relatively quiet. My only issue is that they wear faster than i m used to. Does anyone have any recommendations on good replacement tires for model 3 LR 18 that have a better tread life? Or should I stick with the same ones and just make peace with replacing my tires at around 20k miles? Any advice would be helpful thanks! | darkremixx | 2019-05-08 06:31:19 | 30 | emtj4kk | Not what you re looking for but on topic for others looking to replace their Primacy MXM4s. I replaced my 18 inch tires with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S when it was time to get new tires and the improvement in handling and cornering is VERY noticeable. Amazing tires. Sadly they re supposed to last even less than the Primacy but I wanted to try them first hand to compare. Don t think I can go back to Primacy now. Worth the money imho. | Eldanon | 2019-05-08 11:13:42 | 8 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e071s4f | Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship is a really weird way to say Tesla investors overwhelmingly rejected proposal from investor with twelve shares to remove Elon Musk from chairmanship . | dstaley | 2018-06-06 06:28:51 | 52 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e06sywf | Haters gonna hate ¯\_(ツ)_ ¯ One must never bet against Elon. | poobearcretu | 2018-06-06 03:12:33 | 49 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e06w8o8 | This video is a hot pile of garbage. | Lipsyte | 2018-06-06 04:15:52 | 48 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e06vf78 | Yeah I saw that. Classic sensationalist click bait bullshit. The Verge lost a huge amount of respect from me on that one. | beenyweenies | 2018-06-06 03:59:39 | 34 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e06ypz8 | That video was absolute garbage. I never comment on YouTube videos. Never. I commented on this one. I took it as a personal affront to my intelligence. Looks to me like The Verge is lashing out at Elon for his supposed anti-semite comment directed at former Verge Editor in Chief Joshua Topolsky. Anyone with half a brain could tell Elon was referencing corporations owning the media but somehow the narrative got twisted along the way. It s sad that a site I used to enjoy has stooped this low. This heavily biased and wholly disingenuous video is exactly the kind of stuff Elon was so frustrated about last week. They re basically proving his point. | cdelli01 | 2018-06-06 05:10:15 | 33 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e06wd8j | The Verge went to crap years ago roughly the same time Josh Topolsky left. | jaimex2 | 2018-06-06 04:18:29 | 22 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e071bo1 | Handful of nasty crashes smh. Out of 16000 accidents per day. | sl1mman | 2018-06-06 06:15:48 | 15 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e0744qk | Holy wow this video was worse than I thought. Obviously made with poor intentions. Dissapointed in the Verge.. | Xwec | 2018-06-06 07:41:40 | 13 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e07gub8 | The Verge and Vox are part of same group. Hated this article even more https: www.vox.com the-big-idea 2018 5 30 17405922 elon-musk-twitter-meltdown-tesla-valuation-bubble-model-3-promises-reality these guys are holding something against Tesla. | nvx736 | 2018-06-06 13:35:56 | 13 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e074s50 | What a great example of misleading reporting. Andrew J. Hawkins. | TrickyBAM | 2018-06-06 08:04:31 | 10 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e075gil | pure shitbait | jpbeans | 2018-06-06 08:29:18 | 7 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e07cq3e | Journalism is dead. It was killed by clickbait. | Staplesnotme | 2018-06-06 12:16:54 | 7 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e07a8i6 | Wow. This is as misleading as you can get. You can t make this stuff up. | jpberdel | 2018-06-06 11:15:42 | 5 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8ox8zg | [Rant] This Verge video | After watching what I thought was one of the most casual and calm shareholder meetings yet I ran into [this video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Tl9F0D27ShM) by The Verge... 7 seconds in: Elon Musk almost lost his chairmanship ... the vote wasn t even close great way to start... and this video has it all: ominous music ✔ misleading title ✔ misleading cuts ✔ auto-pilot crashes ✔ And the media wonders why the public thinks its untrustworthy... | PhotonDota | 2018-06-06 03:10:26 | 151 | e07b10n | I m a subscriber and when I seen this I was greatly disappointed in The Verge. I normally enjoy their tech coverage but this? Blatant clickbait BS with misinformation thrown in. It seems like they are taking notes from more traditional news outlets... | Fifthdread | 2018-06-06 11:36:42 | 5 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
60p4c1 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... | I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | DigitalEvil | 2017-03-21 17:53:32 | 95 | df852mk | Think of it this way - the car you get will be even better because it ll have more bugs ironed out newer features etc. Now change that flair. | dirtyfries | 2017-03-21 17:57:57 | 30 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
60p4c1 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... | I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | DigitalEvil | 2017-03-21 17:53:32 | 95 | df88m4o | I too cancelled my Model 3 because the idiot that I am decided to try out the Model S. There IS no going back.... | ExMachina70 | 2017-03-21 19:01:46 | 24 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
60p4c1 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... | I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | DigitalEvil | 2017-03-21 17:53:32 | 95 | df875dr | Sorry for your loss. | deadplant_ca | 2017-03-21 18:35:30 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
60p4c1 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... | I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | DigitalEvil | 2017-03-21 17:53:32 | 95 | df87thx | I have too just cancelled my model 3 order. My car was just written off (the one i was going to trade in) because somone didnt yield my right of way. It now means i need to buy a banger that i can run into the ground until model 3 production is sound in the UK. Go on without me brothers. May I take another ICE vehicle off the road before I join the Tesla Valhalla. | ArcusSpartan | 2017-03-21 18:47:25 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
60p4c1 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... | I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | DigitalEvil | 2017-03-21 17:53:32 | 95 | df88kiq | When I lived in Los Angeles I never. Ever. Once... thought I would ever... Ever. Buy. A home. My rent alone was $3 800 a month. Move out of Los Angeles and for that amount of money you can buy a McMansion and a Model X instead where homes are more reasonably priced. First thing I did when I moved out of LA was buy a house buy a Roadster and put solar panels on the roof of the home and garage. | stevejust | 2017-03-21 19:00:55 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
60p4c1 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... | I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | DigitalEvil | 2017-03-21 17:53:32 | 95 | df857jl | I mean it s only $1k. Maybe you get $200 in interest why not wait and see the final reveal? If you get an early reservation # you might be able to buy one for someone low on the list and make much more than $200. | StinkweedMSU | 2017-03-21 18:00:26 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
60p4c1 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... | I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | DigitalEvil | 2017-03-21 17:53:32 | 95 | df8e6fn | drop the wife and get the Model 3 instead?? -) | kenypowa | 2017-03-21 20:45:21 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
60p4c1 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... | I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | DigitalEvil | 2017-03-21 17:53:32 | 95 | df8c619 | You may have already canceled but honestly you should keep the reservation and just flip it. You could make a bit of coin on it and save for your house even faster. I m betting you can make 5 to 10k easily if you are far enough up the line. Edit: also Turo! You could make some great money on it with one of the first model 3s! The Turo blog did a profile today on a friend of mine and how successful he s been in renting out cars. Lots of options but cancelling is the worst in my opinion. | brainded | 2017-03-21 20:07:51 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
60p4c1 | [Rant] Today is a sad day... | I m officially cancelling my Model 3 preorder. I ve been a fan of tesla since the roadster. Been following the Model 3 development since it was just a twinkle in Elon s eye. Waited in line the day of to put my 1k down. Even got to high five Elon in the process when he showed up to thank everyone... Alas it is just not meant to be. Wife was always *wary. And after much discussion and a lot of denial I must concede. It s not that we cant afford it. Simply that the need isnt there right now and the money could be better spent saving faster for a house (homes in LA be expensive). Ah well... maybe that just means I can get a model Y when it comes out. I just wish I could transfer my reservation to someone who is as big a fan as me but was unable to preorder. To all of you waiting stay strong. Take a drive in your tesla for me when you get it. I will join the ranks some day. RIP my Tesla dreams (for now). *Jesus I get it. Wary not weary. | DigitalEvil | 2017-03-21 17:53:32 | 95 | df8euxj | I thought they killed your family or something for a moment | UNNECCESSARY_OUTRAGE | 2017-03-21 20:58:09 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
dg50xs | [Reminder LPT] The event that triggered the Sentry mode recording happens in the one-but-last video about N seconds in. Where N is the duration of the very last video in the folder. | The interesting stuff happens approximately *N* seconds into the one-but-last video where *N* is the duration of the last video. Example: 2019-10-08\_20-37-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-38-16 (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-39-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-40-16 (59 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-41-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-42-16 (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-43-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-44-16 (58 seconds) **2019-10-08\_20-45-16** (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-46-16 (**17** seconds) The event that triggered Sentry Mode recording happens on 2019-10-08\_20**-45-**16 at around 00:17 into the video give or take a few seconds. Explanation: Sentry Mode saves the 60 seconds following the trigger event. I posted [this same remark](https: new.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments dfqfbp wip_smart_sentry_clip_reviewer_app f36hu3e ) in a post at r TeslaLounge and got silver (thanks stranger!) so I thought I d share here too. | TheAcanthopterygian | 2019-10-10 21:40:40 | 111 | f39o6b0 | TIL a new British-ism for us yanks that s next-to-last | DiachronicShear | 2019-10-11 00:06:16 | 15 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
dg50xs | [Reminder LPT] The event that triggered the Sentry mode recording happens in the one-but-last video about N seconds in. Where N is the duration of the very last video in the folder. | The interesting stuff happens approximately *N* seconds into the one-but-last video where *N* is the duration of the last video. Example: 2019-10-08\_20-37-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-38-16 (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-39-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-40-16 (59 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-41-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-42-16 (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-43-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-44-16 (58 seconds) **2019-10-08\_20-45-16** (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-46-16 (**17** seconds) The event that triggered Sentry Mode recording happens on 2019-10-08\_20**-45-**16 at around 00:17 into the video give or take a few seconds. Explanation: Sentry Mode saves the 60 seconds following the trigger event. I posted [this same remark](https: new.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments dfqfbp wip_smart_sentry_clip_reviewer_app f36hu3e ) in a post at r TeslaLounge and got silver (thanks stranger!) so I thought I d share here too. | TheAcanthopterygian | 2019-10-10 21:40:40 | 111 | f39hgp3 | sentrycam.appspot.com has a button to go to the event. | xsorifc28 | 2019-10-10 22:56:38 | 10 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
dg50xs | [Reminder LPT] The event that triggered the Sentry mode recording happens in the one-but-last video about N seconds in. Where N is the duration of the very last video in the folder. | The interesting stuff happens approximately *N* seconds into the one-but-last video where *N* is the duration of the last video. Example: 2019-10-08\_20-37-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-38-16 (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-39-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-40-16 (59 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-41-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-42-16 (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-43-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-44-16 (58 seconds) **2019-10-08\_20-45-16** (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-46-16 (**17** seconds) The event that triggered Sentry Mode recording happens on 2019-10-08\_20**-45-**16 at around 00:17 into the video give or take a few seconds. Explanation: Sentry Mode saves the 60 seconds following the trigger event. I posted [this same remark](https: new.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments dfqfbp wip_smart_sentry_clip_reviewer_app f36hu3e ) in a post at r TeslaLounge and got silver (thanks stranger!) so I thought I d share here too. | TheAcanthopterygian | 2019-10-10 21:40:40 | 111 | f39fmqv | Well this is incredibly helpful...I figured it d be near the end but never bothered to look for a pattern | idealdreams | 2019-10-10 22:45:37 | 6 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
dg50xs | [Reminder LPT] The event that triggered the Sentry mode recording happens in the one-but-last video about N seconds in. Where N is the duration of the very last video in the folder. | The interesting stuff happens approximately *N* seconds into the one-but-last video where *N* is the duration of the last video. Example: 2019-10-08\_20-37-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-38-16 (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-39-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-40-16 (59 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-41-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-42-16 (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-43-16 (58 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-44-16 (58 seconds) **2019-10-08\_20-45-16** (57 seconds) 2019-10-08\_20-46-16 (**17** seconds) The event that triggered Sentry Mode recording happens on 2019-10-08\_20**-45-**16 at around 00:17 into the video give or take a few seconds. Explanation: Sentry Mode saves the 60 seconds following the trigger event. I posted [this same remark](https: new.reddit.com r TeslaLounge comments dfqfbp wip_smart_sentry_clip_reviewer_app f36hu3e ) in a post at r TeslaLounge and got silver (thanks stranger!) so I thought I d share here too. | TheAcanthopterygian | 2019-10-10 21:40:40 | 111 | f395ksu | Good catch! Another note: It is mostly likely the ninth video. So if there are multiple events back to back so you got more than 10 videos in a row start with number 9 and continue with 19 29 until the second last one. | McFlyTesla | 2019-10-10 21:45:45 | 5 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
b1eqaq | [Reminder] Nav on AP w o lane change confirmation ( along with many other improvements ) is scheduled for release today | I haven t seen any posts that this has gone live but [per Elon s tweet](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1101256596758257664?s=21) it was slated for today ... ... of course we know his timelines. That said does anyone know if firmware versions above 2019.5.15 are enabling Nav on AP w o lane change confirmation? | TheBurtReynold | 2019-03-15 13:06:42 | 42 | eil8ljd | Only people with FSD will benefit this new feature right ? | zzzzoooo | 2019-03-15 14:28:43 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8wtjl5 | [Request] Android widget for phone key | I have a Galaxy S8 but the delay from opening up the app to unlock the doors (because the BT key only works half the time) can be frustrating. In top of that it d be nice for other frequently used features to always be there on my home page so I don t need to wait for my phone to reload the app. I d like a widget one row high with quick buttons for lock unlock trunk frunk and climate | thepolan | 2018-07-07 14:29:41 | 22 | e1yaexb | Tesla Dashboard has it. | majesticjg | 2018-07-07 14:59:42 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8x6v5g | [Request] Homelink for a gate only activated automatically from one direction | I live in a gated community. I love being able to have the homelink automatically open the gate without any intervention. However since the radius set seems to take effect from any direction I m opening the the entrance gate when I m leaving the complex as well (The entrance and exit gates are right next to each other) It would be nice if I could draw on the map the area the the homelink function should activate from only? Or maybe by direction of vehicle travel... | nstutsman | 2018-07-09 01:52:03 | 16 | e21asji | I m in the same situation. I just hit cancel as I approach. | Jddssc121 | 2018-07-09 02:18:45 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7sp5ds | [Request] Real photos of side and or quarter profiles of Black Model 3 with 18 wheels aero caps off | I ve only been able to find a half of a side profile from the OCDetailing video and the mock ups showing all 6 colors at once. | digitalcascade | 2018-01-24 18:24:29 | 13 | dt6pdh7 | [Pic](https: lh3.googleusercontent.com fk6u9lQcWCyiksSrYu649iO9iG1mMvA3pjHuVU8RT8LZDXcbdWhN_n9WZssqGWun2sKs58DvtMFQGdJ-AYjooEp43OFllV67uWj2zbgKA6g_U4VBmvnGalFQF_c3akaoow5LLj7z2rJKs-bAPLqAjm8pEdbxa0KVzeNfngTfPxtWtAycdg_lWj6eQhpZ99W0jWOns36ff3Sa8lDGZpuopvXQE2j58jaMVa1tUNYvnB_IotTbrYVArqr30U-6bVFOY5o8dVHYiQwKsga0PNVsn8q9Z7MGqIp1AhJVBTUAln7aeDUmmYq6t1F5bDSOUZ-zq8qydqmOPS70yG9YBxgm4sQvIcGwAzi4RZRxTzUiGbHfPX9VH3qwkRUsvqav9aZHZIWNx1tRHzoyvW2R2WnZN86sWFDgXSD53216uY03R-x_k5nhHqhCAGn2LBG5DLGA-4wfvM3lJ3zTMf-H_fQZ0C0zk2i7G6oqLWbLGYCru67UOq0YigmZZhrOoQjqNeLbD_6eSUgTbhY7ue_dc9zhjrC3jZnWhnjKXj1IIi_BF6O-SW8j3VLw4RcFImBmcTTndYBqMQgefrRAf1Di8Ehk9crTOWNdacUQiDMGV8PAxLT_fM_j_Ry85o3sgOgooWhGM73ti7ph0YH3NAE2u1GQz2PrqnFTYhP_pg=w1768-h1098-no) [Pic](https: lh3.googleusercontent.com cxviYjR8pFaLJc7T0Qa1wtDQuBAFJDtPwlfPdzb4v1tx4SWzlCKLKbZJMX6Kfm8yHTGZbllV596s9bUxzgqYvv8_9qk8Cx4ovAufeBrgLfoyN-_VwUdCIW6SGqP9RJY1wwTryYJyh1b3y92x9SZ1vBVbpzJxWtIbf4eUa0Rvys7u8Nhr4ORyzo67xMBgMXwTUUogFXXVFI_3DYu6bVkzPRCH8GoDB_uMGqNRtCAdR5b7LKBSHKFq8NuIdvrzC8Fqmz9vvneadksZFoYOsOD7osao1Qa3Wo1iU_EENCwZAfgQSPAeGXLMhMIAVcECSze1NvMN1FyO-KbSqemhTbvAVHt7myjoVB8z3Vkruh539Cg9zwovoY_-s9IoOEEv6-mA-HoaC--cazOc00zTjFZoaN2sookXKlcHZqVe15m8Ug6vBdeOHrJcfOYZHCvki5fqC6o5bJXt05_PYPedRArYimsx43PX2TN9r57zuoIC9eJcSo-CJDZiYF6E9LlNmvUL_phZYTngXV1jWksGQ28gwTwxYnuq7BhBpnhwz9SRa6FByTD2OjiJtZS9eQKA5FYcRXPwnrZ0M1QatIvLktcnxJhgY0-GH7gz9_YS-ijIgDC0e5L2hQLkquKcBzHm9VI1v0bN9GqA6Pa4ufSUdzZ6dUFE9G3XXtNRLA=w1884-h1098-no) [Pic](https: lh3.googleusercontent.com 7tfydHaWhJA7e25kf_3Vh7iMSKnlWrl1gfp2rWn3UpYOhXMPnyRHxE-CwBUeOmHo9rsLpSM3uIfTMzoJumYJfXHe-g-NnwAvznaBaz3TVZx9_d0sQ3xiO8p0Rp0cvvB7Bu2u9jiUzc-Mp5oayfTXOKy-mEDcWJyiH9TwwX_VSudF9QT6iZ7jPdhn5eWNnr8VJVpzxaFL0SOLu-qiBA9x_pmvyLTFP5WmB3XG6HqYz7e6WlZubkc_b6G_B2qbHUwPwyeUFGLrZ7T6DTNtdPdeOq-lkS2vrkdpzAUTgS3V4fYJpAqP1J7ANOBVZSgth83Ownk3sYGpe2rw3-bf19t1neHaBclOwFkd1VGNpMGFZk7Vxd_m10rQuhS3JVver2tixGlw3RDyIsphqRZ5E4AtroXXtfPwuPrLqxwc6P3g0Ajo16GHHTZa9R3y2gwetZRCyl2523GwSElp6MQhQPd7aiLha_hNADsoousQi3xBdN9DS7TQWbOy7wErz1_LOQ10Glx9hiTiObehvKQiYR-TcEol5DxHwxMzoBNcye2fbskCStnbNDmt9TWSPQypUwxr8XKaSAiZaXxZe6vPQM5TuNr_zRdpR1B0BiyfReLEMQodfDq6w_D63Yq-y4nAbg0MIN-GyZScXAPWUUyn22KNdtOGAEkSvKhnSQ=w1464-h1098-no) | TheKobayashiMoron | 2018-01-24 21:13:16 | 8 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
8wcsh0 | [Request] Tesla App functionality | I picked up my Model 3 a few days ago and I love it. It has its quirks and everything but I think the app could be more useful. I don t know if the app is exactly the same for the S and X so disclaimer if those are different. Here are things that I think could be improved: * Allow us to set a start and or stop time for charging. Important for those of us on TOU electricity rates as early evening is when I d plug my car in and that is the absolute worst time during the summer. * Allow us to roll the windows up or down. Rolling down would typically be used to allow us to vent it out (to save energy vs air conditioning) or rolling up just in case we forget to do it while in there. It d be nice to have a crack option that will open the windows 1-2 (or a slider like for the battery).. this is really useful for making sure the car doesn t get too hot in the sun. Of course it would need to be mutually exclusive to using the air con. | thepolan | 2018-07-05 18:24:11 | 17 | e1uhd9h | On issue #1 you set this in the charging menu on the car s screen not in the app. You can specify start times max charge etc. Then from the app you have the ability to start charging immediately effectively overriding the timer setting. It seems like a trivial matter for them to add this functionality to the app but I just wanted to make sure you know it IS an option in the car. | beenyweenies | 2018-07-05 18:40:06 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8z1ahj | [Rumor] Superchargers in Europe will get an additional CCS connector EU Model 3 will have CCS | A recognized and credible German Tesla supporter named Tesla Klaus spoke to a Tesla technician (driving a van with a big Tesla T on it) during a Supercharger stop in Germany. The Tesla technician said according to Tesla Klaus : * He s at the Supercharger to replace two cables (normal daily work nothing exciting) * He ll do some preparations to add an additional cable to the Superchargers * **Those additional cables will have CCS connectors** (the chargers will have two cables the existing Type 2 and then the new one with CCS Combo 2 plug) * That s needed because the **European Model 3 will have a CCS port** * Cables and Connectors will be **water cooled to support more power** * Reservoir with coolant will be placed on top of chargers Source: Telephone interview (in German) with a recognized and credible German Tesla supporter ( Tesla Klaus ): [https: youtu.be dC9P1btwIJ0?t=29m7s](https: youtu.be dC9P1btwIJ0?t=29m7s) & nbsp Background: CCS is huge in Europe basically all car makers support it besides Tesla (as of now) and some Japanese manufactures (CHAdeMO). CCS is heavily supported by the EU and set to be the standard. In Europe Tesla already uses the Type 2 Connector for AC and DC charging. DC charging with the Type 2 connector ([DC-Mid mode](https: insideevs.com wp-content uploads 2013 08 3.png)) is special only Tesla does this. Other car manufacturers use Type 2 for AC charging and the Combo 2 connector for DC charging (up to 350kW with 800V battery modules see Porsche Taycan (MissionE)). If you add two DC lines(+ -) to the Type2 connector you ll get the Combo 2 connector: [Picture - Combo 2 vs Type 2](https: upload.wikimedia.org wikipedia commons thumb b bd Iec-type2-ccs-combo2-and-iec-type2-charging-connectors-side-by-side.jpg 1280px-Iec-type2-ccs-combo2-and-iec-type2-charging-connectors-side-by-side.jpg) The Model 3 charge port area is large enough to fit the Combo 2 connector: [https: i.redd.it o1m5qcnc3stz.jpg](https: i.redd.it o1m5qcnc3stz.jpg) The Model S and X charge port area won t fit it: [https: insideevs.com wp-content uploads 2013 09 tesla-plug-IAA.jpg](https: insideevs.com wp-content uploads 2013 09 tesla-plug-IAA.jpg) In China Tesla had to add the GB T DC connector to S and X and did that by adding a charge port door: [https: electrek.co wp-content uploads sites 3 2017 10 tesla-dual-port-e1508148007715.jpg?quality=82& strip=all& w=1600](https: electrek.co wp-content uploads sites 3 2017 10 tesla-dual-port-e1508148007715.jpg?quality=82& strip=all& w=1600) In America Tesla uses a proprietary connector. The [Electrify America](https: www.electrifyamerica.com our-plan) initiative lead by VW due to the diesel cheating will invest $2B in CCS CHAdeMO and J1772 chargers all over the US in the coming years already started. IMO main focus will be [CCS Combo 1](https: www.electrive.net wp-content uploads 2018 01 chevrolet-bolt-ccs-combo-1.png) DC fast chargers (all German car makers will use this in the US as well as GM and Ford). But since the US is not as strict as the EU in basically forcing (heavily incentivizing) one charging standard (CCS) it s possible that Tesla sticks to their proprietary connector there. | MaChiMiB | 2018-07-15 12:10:10 | 105 | e2fcorq | Another piece of news that makes me believe they ll announce the S and X refresh when they unveil Superchargers V3. | CeeeeeJaaaaay | 2018-07-15 13:34:29 | 22 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8z1ahj | [Rumor] Superchargers in Europe will get an additional CCS connector EU Model 3 will have CCS | A recognized and credible German Tesla supporter named Tesla Klaus spoke to a Tesla technician (driving a van with a big Tesla T on it) during a Supercharger stop in Germany. The Tesla technician said according to Tesla Klaus : * He s at the Supercharger to replace two cables (normal daily work nothing exciting) * He ll do some preparations to add an additional cable to the Superchargers * **Those additional cables will have CCS connectors** (the chargers will have two cables the existing Type 2 and then the new one with CCS Combo 2 plug) * That s needed because the **European Model 3 will have a CCS port** * Cables and Connectors will be **water cooled to support more power** * Reservoir with coolant will be placed on top of chargers Source: Telephone interview (in German) with a recognized and credible German Tesla supporter ( Tesla Klaus ): [https: youtu.be dC9P1btwIJ0?t=29m7s](https: youtu.be dC9P1btwIJ0?t=29m7s) & nbsp Background: CCS is huge in Europe basically all car makers support it besides Tesla (as of now) and some Japanese manufactures (CHAdeMO). CCS is heavily supported by the EU and set to be the standard. In Europe Tesla already uses the Type 2 Connector for AC and DC charging. DC charging with the Type 2 connector ([DC-Mid mode](https: insideevs.com wp-content uploads 2013 08 3.png)) is special only Tesla does this. Other car manufacturers use Type 2 for AC charging and the Combo 2 connector for DC charging (up to 350kW with 800V battery modules see Porsche Taycan (MissionE)). If you add two DC lines(+ -) to the Type2 connector you ll get the Combo 2 connector: [Picture - Combo 2 vs Type 2](https: upload.wikimedia.org wikipedia commons thumb b bd Iec-type2-ccs-combo2-and-iec-type2-charging-connectors-side-by-side.jpg 1280px-Iec-type2-ccs-combo2-and-iec-type2-charging-connectors-side-by-side.jpg) The Model 3 charge port area is large enough to fit the Combo 2 connector: [https: i.redd.it o1m5qcnc3stz.jpg](https: i.redd.it o1m5qcnc3stz.jpg) The Model S and X charge port area won t fit it: [https: insideevs.com wp-content uploads 2013 09 tesla-plug-IAA.jpg](https: insideevs.com wp-content uploads 2013 09 tesla-plug-IAA.jpg) In China Tesla had to add the GB T DC connector to S and X and did that by adding a charge port door: [https: electrek.co wp-content uploads sites 3 2017 10 tesla-dual-port-e1508148007715.jpg?quality=82& strip=all& w=1600](https: electrek.co wp-content uploads sites 3 2017 10 tesla-dual-port-e1508148007715.jpg?quality=82& strip=all& w=1600) In America Tesla uses a proprietary connector. The [Electrify America](https: www.electrifyamerica.com our-plan) initiative lead by VW due to the diesel cheating will invest $2B in CCS CHAdeMO and J1772 chargers all over the US in the coming years already started. IMO main focus will be [CCS Combo 1](https: www.electrive.net wp-content uploads 2018 01 chevrolet-bolt-ccs-combo-1.png) DC fast chargers (all German car makers will use this in the US as well as GM and Ford). But since the US is not as strict as the EU in basically forcing (heavily incentivizing) one charging standard (CCS) it s possible that Tesla sticks to their proprietary connector there. | MaChiMiB | 2018-07-15 12:10:10 | 105 | e2f9n6w | ELI5: Why is CCS needed if it is possible to Supercharge using only the type 2 -connector? Why don t others do DC charging with type 2 -connector? | Jyrpsi | 2018-07-15 12:19:00 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8z1ahj | [Rumor] Superchargers in Europe will get an additional CCS connector EU Model 3 will have CCS | A recognized and credible German Tesla supporter named Tesla Klaus spoke to a Tesla technician (driving a van with a big Tesla T on it) during a Supercharger stop in Germany. The Tesla technician said according to Tesla Klaus : * He s at the Supercharger to replace two cables (normal daily work nothing exciting) * He ll do some preparations to add an additional cable to the Superchargers * **Those additional cables will have CCS connectors** (the chargers will have two cables the existing Type 2 and then the new one with CCS Combo 2 plug) * That s needed because the **European Model 3 will have a CCS port** * Cables and Connectors will be **water cooled to support more power** * Reservoir with coolant will be placed on top of chargers Source: Telephone interview (in German) with a recognized and credible German Tesla supporter ( Tesla Klaus ): [https: youtu.be dC9P1btwIJ0?t=29m7s](https: youtu.be dC9P1btwIJ0?t=29m7s) & nbsp Background: CCS is huge in Europe basically all car makers support it besides Tesla (as of now) and some Japanese manufactures (CHAdeMO). CCS is heavily supported by the EU and set to be the standard. In Europe Tesla already uses the Type 2 Connector for AC and DC charging. DC charging with the Type 2 connector ([DC-Mid mode](https: insideevs.com wp-content uploads 2013 08 3.png)) is special only Tesla does this. Other car manufacturers use Type 2 for AC charging and the Combo 2 connector for DC charging (up to 350kW with 800V battery modules see Porsche Taycan (MissionE)). If you add two DC lines(+ -) to the Type2 connector you ll get the Combo 2 connector: [Picture - Combo 2 vs Type 2](https: upload.wikimedia.org wikipedia commons thumb b bd Iec-type2-ccs-combo2-and-iec-type2-charging-connectors-side-by-side.jpg 1280px-Iec-type2-ccs-combo2-and-iec-type2-charging-connectors-side-by-side.jpg) The Model 3 charge port area is large enough to fit the Combo 2 connector: [https: i.redd.it o1m5qcnc3stz.jpg](https: i.redd.it o1m5qcnc3stz.jpg) The Model S and X charge port area won t fit it: [https: insideevs.com wp-content uploads 2013 09 tesla-plug-IAA.jpg](https: insideevs.com wp-content uploads 2013 09 tesla-plug-IAA.jpg) In China Tesla had to add the GB T DC connector to S and X and did that by adding a charge port door: [https: electrek.co wp-content uploads sites 3 2017 10 tesla-dual-port-e1508148007715.jpg?quality=82& strip=all& w=1600](https: electrek.co wp-content uploads sites 3 2017 10 tesla-dual-port-e1508148007715.jpg?quality=82& strip=all& w=1600) In America Tesla uses a proprietary connector. The [Electrify America](https: www.electrifyamerica.com our-plan) initiative lead by VW due to the diesel cheating will invest $2B in CCS CHAdeMO and J1772 chargers all over the US in the coming years already started. IMO main focus will be [CCS Combo 1](https: www.electrive.net wp-content uploads 2018 01 chevrolet-bolt-ccs-combo-1.png) DC fast chargers (all German car makers will use this in the US as well as GM and Ford). But since the US is not as strict as the EU in basically forcing (heavily incentivizing) one charging standard (CCS) it s possible that Tesla sticks to their proprietary connector there. | MaChiMiB | 2018-07-15 12:10:10 | 105 | e2fatq8 | That would be awesome news. Hope we ll know more in 6 months. | w0rd3r | 2018-07-15 12:50:12 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
c6jm00 | [SERIOUS] Who audits Tesla when an accident occurs? Who has access to the data other than the manufacturer? | Disclaimer: I am a Tesla fan. Although I do not own a Model 3 LR FSD yet due to price I do own shares of the company. I am in love with the cars since forever I fully endorse their mission values goals. And most of all I do want FSD to become widely available as soon as possible since there are just too many jerks behind steering wheels. -> NO TINFOIL HAT HERE PLEASE < - Before you smash the dislike button bear with me that this is a discussion! I want to hear from you guys. I want to learn know and understand about this and I do believe others might also be looking for answers. That being said: **When an accident occurs who audits Tesla and the data from the car?** The reason I m asking is because infrequently we see a John or Jane Doe wildly accusing the brand that the car was at fault. That and I quote it accelerated all by itself . You can search on the internet and you will find a bunch of people who simply try to sue Tesla reasoning that the car did some phantom decision . I do include myself on the that s bullshit team side of the story and I believe most of you also do. This is a community that thrives the success of this company. The reasonable thinking here is that *come on* the car has thousands and thousands of hours and miles of testing that prove them wrong. But what if... Let us assume for an instance that the victime is indeed telling the truth. The car indeed did something out of nowhere that caused an accident. For the sake of simplicity of discussion here: assume that your Tesla is parked you enter and you are about to leave when suddenly the car accelerates hits and damages something. You did nothing wrong. Something within the car did that. *How can someone have proof of it when all the data available is in possession of the company who builds the faulty equipment? That all the information being generated is in immediate full control of Tesla to manage and manipulate?* And that the publication of that information can cause very considerable issues and losses to the business? I ve never seen third parties or law enforcement being able or allowed to access immediate data from the vehicle without having to go through Tesla nor the fact that there is an independent recording mechanism installed on the cars. Airplanes have black boxes that are under super duper strict regulations standards and requirements. Nobody touches them other than specific people and it becomes even more strict when an accident occurs. We know that because... Boeing and their 737 Max mega problem (yes there is a huge lot of other aspects but the principle is the same here - there is audit available for third parties to check the data). Most other cars do not have a constant live over-the-air internet connection with their manufacturer so if a recording device is available it is local only which does allow for an audit without exterior interference. You see where I m trying to go? I do reiterate once more I just want to talk. I still want a Tesla. The positives of these cars outnumber by faaaar the negatives. I hope we can have a healthy discussion here. Thank you all and have a nice Friday. Edit: u lambaus just showed us in the comments that you can access ERD on Tesla cars. | katriik | 2019-06-28 12:29:13 | 32 | es96l2h | If you want to access the data Tesla allows you to directly access the data from the car. https: edr.tesla.com | lambaus | 2019-06-28 13:31:52 | 39 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
c6jm00 | [SERIOUS] Who audits Tesla when an accident occurs? Who has access to the data other than the manufacturer? | Disclaimer: I am a Tesla fan. Although I do not own a Model 3 LR FSD yet due to price I do own shares of the company. I am in love with the cars since forever I fully endorse their mission values goals. And most of all I do want FSD to become widely available as soon as possible since there are just too many jerks behind steering wheels. -> NO TINFOIL HAT HERE PLEASE < - Before you smash the dislike button bear with me that this is a discussion! I want to hear from you guys. I want to learn know and understand about this and I do believe others might also be looking for answers. That being said: **When an accident occurs who audits Tesla and the data from the car?** The reason I m asking is because infrequently we see a John or Jane Doe wildly accusing the brand that the car was at fault. That and I quote it accelerated all by itself . You can search on the internet and you will find a bunch of people who simply try to sue Tesla reasoning that the car did some phantom decision . I do include myself on the that s bullshit team side of the story and I believe most of you also do. This is a community that thrives the success of this company. The reasonable thinking here is that *come on* the car has thousands and thousands of hours and miles of testing that prove them wrong. But what if... Let us assume for an instance that the victime is indeed telling the truth. The car indeed did something out of nowhere that caused an accident. For the sake of simplicity of discussion here: assume that your Tesla is parked you enter and you are about to leave when suddenly the car accelerates hits and damages something. You did nothing wrong. Something within the car did that. *How can someone have proof of it when all the data available is in possession of the company who builds the faulty equipment? That all the information being generated is in immediate full control of Tesla to manage and manipulate?* And that the publication of that information can cause very considerable issues and losses to the business? I ve never seen third parties or law enforcement being able or allowed to access immediate data from the vehicle without having to go through Tesla nor the fact that there is an independent recording mechanism installed on the cars. Airplanes have black boxes that are under super duper strict regulations standards and requirements. Nobody touches them other than specific people and it becomes even more strict when an accident occurs. We know that because... Boeing and their 737 Max mega problem (yes there is a huge lot of other aspects but the principle is the same here - there is audit available for third parties to check the data). Most other cars do not have a constant live over-the-air internet connection with their manufacturer so if a recording device is available it is local only which does allow for an audit without exterior interference. You see where I m trying to go? I do reiterate once more I just want to talk. I still want a Tesla. The positives of these cars outnumber by faaaar the negatives. I hope we can have a healthy discussion here. Thank you all and have a nice Friday. Edit: u lambaus just showed us in the comments that you can access ERD on Tesla cars. | katriik | 2019-06-28 12:29:13 | 32 | es9334x | The NHTSA (in the US) works with the manufacturer (Tesla) to get vehicle telemetry information to determine the root cause of accident. Not unlike the NTSB working with Boeing to investigate the contents of black boxes and other airplane telemetry data to determine what caused an accident. I really don t understand the point of your question though? | onestopunder | 2019-06-28 12:42:50 | 20 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
c6jm00 | [SERIOUS] Who audits Tesla when an accident occurs? Who has access to the data other than the manufacturer? | Disclaimer: I am a Tesla fan. Although I do not own a Model 3 LR FSD yet due to price I do own shares of the company. I am in love with the cars since forever I fully endorse their mission values goals. And most of all I do want FSD to become widely available as soon as possible since there are just too many jerks behind steering wheels. -> NO TINFOIL HAT HERE PLEASE < - Before you smash the dislike button bear with me that this is a discussion! I want to hear from you guys. I want to learn know and understand about this and I do believe others might also be looking for answers. That being said: **When an accident occurs who audits Tesla and the data from the car?** The reason I m asking is because infrequently we see a John or Jane Doe wildly accusing the brand that the car was at fault. That and I quote it accelerated all by itself . You can search on the internet and you will find a bunch of people who simply try to sue Tesla reasoning that the car did some phantom decision . I do include myself on the that s bullshit team side of the story and I believe most of you also do. This is a community that thrives the success of this company. The reasonable thinking here is that *come on* the car has thousands and thousands of hours and miles of testing that prove them wrong. But what if... Let us assume for an instance that the victime is indeed telling the truth. The car indeed did something out of nowhere that caused an accident. For the sake of simplicity of discussion here: assume that your Tesla is parked you enter and you are about to leave when suddenly the car accelerates hits and damages something. You did nothing wrong. Something within the car did that. *How can someone have proof of it when all the data available is in possession of the company who builds the faulty equipment? That all the information being generated is in immediate full control of Tesla to manage and manipulate?* And that the publication of that information can cause very considerable issues and losses to the business? I ve never seen third parties or law enforcement being able or allowed to access immediate data from the vehicle without having to go through Tesla nor the fact that there is an independent recording mechanism installed on the cars. Airplanes have black boxes that are under super duper strict regulations standards and requirements. Nobody touches them other than specific people and it becomes even more strict when an accident occurs. We know that because... Boeing and their 737 Max mega problem (yes there is a huge lot of other aspects but the principle is the same here - there is audit available for third parties to check the data). Most other cars do not have a constant live over-the-air internet connection with their manufacturer so if a recording device is available it is local only which does allow for an audit without exterior interference. You see where I m trying to go? I do reiterate once more I just want to talk. I still want a Tesla. The positives of these cars outnumber by faaaar the negatives. I hope we can have a healthy discussion here. Thank you all and have a nice Friday. Edit: u lambaus just showed us in the comments that you can access ERD on Tesla cars. | katriik | 2019-06-28 12:29:13 | 32 | es93ypc | I heard Elon say in an interview that they have provided logs from the cars in court. Outside of Tesla I know a few mod shops and hackers have been able to pull raw data once they have physical access. I ve had the same thought about FSD. Elon s timeline for rollout (1-2 yrs) seems aggressive. They have to have everything perfect because once they flip the switch they have effectively bet all of their chips. An oversight that causes a lot of vehicles to crash while FSD could result in a congressional inquiry and bankrupt them with payouts. I think FSD is possible and exciting but I can t wrap my mind around the millions upon millions of possible scenarios the software has to navigate. The FSD investor day was awesome to watch but it raised those kind of questions. Who s responsible for an accident when the car drives itself? And how do you *prove* the car made a mistake unless you have access to the data? Edit: I went back and re-read your post. From the videos I ve watched about it it sounds like the cars store most of the data on-platform. In the event of an accident the cars relay the last few minutes of data to the mothership. So the data is both physically present in the car s memory and a copy of it is in Tesla s possession. Pay no mind to the fanboys that downvote you. These are real-world vehicles that have shortcomings and not magical chariots. Thank you for posting questions that will soon be asked in the mainstream. | mrarbitrarynumber | 2019-06-28 12:55:48 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
c6jm00 | [SERIOUS] Who audits Tesla when an accident occurs? Who has access to the data other than the manufacturer? | Disclaimer: I am a Tesla fan. Although I do not own a Model 3 LR FSD yet due to price I do own shares of the company. I am in love with the cars since forever I fully endorse their mission values goals. And most of all I do want FSD to become widely available as soon as possible since there are just too many jerks behind steering wheels. -> NO TINFOIL HAT HERE PLEASE < - Before you smash the dislike button bear with me that this is a discussion! I want to hear from you guys. I want to learn know and understand about this and I do believe others might also be looking for answers. That being said: **When an accident occurs who audits Tesla and the data from the car?** The reason I m asking is because infrequently we see a John or Jane Doe wildly accusing the brand that the car was at fault. That and I quote it accelerated all by itself . You can search on the internet and you will find a bunch of people who simply try to sue Tesla reasoning that the car did some phantom decision . I do include myself on the that s bullshit team side of the story and I believe most of you also do. This is a community that thrives the success of this company. The reasonable thinking here is that *come on* the car has thousands and thousands of hours and miles of testing that prove them wrong. But what if... Let us assume for an instance that the victime is indeed telling the truth. The car indeed did something out of nowhere that caused an accident. For the sake of simplicity of discussion here: assume that your Tesla is parked you enter and you are about to leave when suddenly the car accelerates hits and damages something. You did nothing wrong. Something within the car did that. *How can someone have proof of it when all the data available is in possession of the company who builds the faulty equipment? That all the information being generated is in immediate full control of Tesla to manage and manipulate?* And that the publication of that information can cause very considerable issues and losses to the business? I ve never seen third parties or law enforcement being able or allowed to access immediate data from the vehicle without having to go through Tesla nor the fact that there is an independent recording mechanism installed on the cars. Airplanes have black boxes that are under super duper strict regulations standards and requirements. Nobody touches them other than specific people and it becomes even more strict when an accident occurs. We know that because... Boeing and their 737 Max mega problem (yes there is a huge lot of other aspects but the principle is the same here - there is audit available for third parties to check the data). Most other cars do not have a constant live over-the-air internet connection with their manufacturer so if a recording device is available it is local only which does allow for an audit without exterior interference. You see where I m trying to go? I do reiterate once more I just want to talk. I still want a Tesla. The positives of these cars outnumber by faaaar the negatives. I hope we can have a healthy discussion here. Thank you all and have a nice Friday. Edit: u lambaus just showed us in the comments that you can access ERD on Tesla cars. | katriik | 2019-06-28 12:29:13 | 32 | es92fr0 | I m sure you ll get downvoted for asking this but I think it s a good question. I suspect the answer is no one although I m not sure whether that s due to Tesla not being willing to provide the data police insurance companies regulators not being willing or able to analyze the data or some combination of those two factors. I d guess it s probably a bit of both - I don t think Tesla really wants third parties poking around too deep inside their software but I also don t think most of the parties investigating an accident have the technical capabilities (or give enough of a shit) to _do_ that kind of investigation even if Tesla gave them complete access to everything. It s a problem that will probably have to be solved with regulation as high-tech cars become more common. | landoindisguise | 2019-06-28 12:32:50 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
c6jm00 | [SERIOUS] Who audits Tesla when an accident occurs? Who has access to the data other than the manufacturer? | Disclaimer: I am a Tesla fan. Although I do not own a Model 3 LR FSD yet due to price I do own shares of the company. I am in love with the cars since forever I fully endorse their mission values goals. And most of all I do want FSD to become widely available as soon as possible since there are just too many jerks behind steering wheels. -> NO TINFOIL HAT HERE PLEASE < - Before you smash the dislike button bear with me that this is a discussion! I want to hear from you guys. I want to learn know and understand about this and I do believe others might also be looking for answers. That being said: **When an accident occurs who audits Tesla and the data from the car?** The reason I m asking is because infrequently we see a John or Jane Doe wildly accusing the brand that the car was at fault. That and I quote it accelerated all by itself . You can search on the internet and you will find a bunch of people who simply try to sue Tesla reasoning that the car did some phantom decision . I do include myself on the that s bullshit team side of the story and I believe most of you also do. This is a community that thrives the success of this company. The reasonable thinking here is that *come on* the car has thousands and thousands of hours and miles of testing that prove them wrong. But what if... Let us assume for an instance that the victime is indeed telling the truth. The car indeed did something out of nowhere that caused an accident. For the sake of simplicity of discussion here: assume that your Tesla is parked you enter and you are about to leave when suddenly the car accelerates hits and damages something. You did nothing wrong. Something within the car did that. *How can someone have proof of it when all the data available is in possession of the company who builds the faulty equipment? That all the information being generated is in immediate full control of Tesla to manage and manipulate?* And that the publication of that information can cause very considerable issues and losses to the business? I ve never seen third parties or law enforcement being able or allowed to access immediate data from the vehicle without having to go through Tesla nor the fact that there is an independent recording mechanism installed on the cars. Airplanes have black boxes that are under super duper strict regulations standards and requirements. Nobody touches them other than specific people and it becomes even more strict when an accident occurs. We know that because... Boeing and their 737 Max mega problem (yes there is a huge lot of other aspects but the principle is the same here - there is audit available for third parties to check the data). Most other cars do not have a constant live over-the-air internet connection with their manufacturer so if a recording device is available it is local only which does allow for an audit without exterior interference. You see where I m trying to go? I do reiterate once more I just want to talk. I still want a Tesla. The positives of these cars outnumber by faaaar the negatives. I hope we can have a healthy discussion here. Thank you all and have a nice Friday. Edit: u lambaus just showed us in the comments that you can access ERD on Tesla cars. | katriik | 2019-06-28 12:29:13 | 32 | es95lje | it s an interesting question way beyond tesla. 30 years ago objects like cars and telephones and calculators were passive things. Now everything around us is full of sensors and the total of all that collected data can be stitched together to tell an almost compete story about a persons daily life. The privacy and data ownership implications are deep and will be difficult to grapple with. [https: coastal-law.com does-my-car-have-a-black-box ](https: coastal-law.com does-my-car-have-a-black-box ) is an interesting read. | stdaro | 2019-06-28 13:18:40 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
c6jm00 | [SERIOUS] Who audits Tesla when an accident occurs? Who has access to the data other than the manufacturer? | Disclaimer: I am a Tesla fan. Although I do not own a Model 3 LR FSD yet due to price I do own shares of the company. I am in love with the cars since forever I fully endorse their mission values goals. And most of all I do want FSD to become widely available as soon as possible since there are just too many jerks behind steering wheels. -> NO TINFOIL HAT HERE PLEASE < - Before you smash the dislike button bear with me that this is a discussion! I want to hear from you guys. I want to learn know and understand about this and I do believe others might also be looking for answers. That being said: **When an accident occurs who audits Tesla and the data from the car?** The reason I m asking is because infrequently we see a John or Jane Doe wildly accusing the brand that the car was at fault. That and I quote it accelerated all by itself . You can search on the internet and you will find a bunch of people who simply try to sue Tesla reasoning that the car did some phantom decision . I do include myself on the that s bullshit team side of the story and I believe most of you also do. This is a community that thrives the success of this company. The reasonable thinking here is that *come on* the car has thousands and thousands of hours and miles of testing that prove them wrong. But what if... Let us assume for an instance that the victime is indeed telling the truth. The car indeed did something out of nowhere that caused an accident. For the sake of simplicity of discussion here: assume that your Tesla is parked you enter and you are about to leave when suddenly the car accelerates hits and damages something. You did nothing wrong. Something within the car did that. *How can someone have proof of it when all the data available is in possession of the company who builds the faulty equipment? That all the information being generated is in immediate full control of Tesla to manage and manipulate?* And that the publication of that information can cause very considerable issues and losses to the business? I ve never seen third parties or law enforcement being able or allowed to access immediate data from the vehicle without having to go through Tesla nor the fact that there is an independent recording mechanism installed on the cars. Airplanes have black boxes that are under super duper strict regulations standards and requirements. Nobody touches them other than specific people and it becomes even more strict when an accident occurs. We know that because... Boeing and their 737 Max mega problem (yes there is a huge lot of other aspects but the principle is the same here - there is audit available for third parties to check the data). Most other cars do not have a constant live over-the-air internet connection with their manufacturer so if a recording device is available it is local only which does allow for an audit without exterior interference. You see where I m trying to go? I do reiterate once more I just want to talk. I still want a Tesla. The positives of these cars outnumber by faaaar the negatives. I hope we can have a healthy discussion here. Thank you all and have a nice Friday. Edit: u lambaus just showed us in the comments that you can access ERD on Tesla cars. | katriik | 2019-06-28 12:29:13 | 32 | es998jk | Black Boxes ([Event Data Recorders](https: en.m.wikipedia.org wiki Event_data_recorder)) already exist on newer cars with a pretty high installation [rate](https: www.usatoday.com amp 20609035) | lk05321 | 2019-06-28 14:04:57 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2jisu4 | [SERIOUS] [OWNERS] What do you do for a living that allows you to be able to buy a Tesla? | I m just a 2nd year engineering student and this is my dream car. I was just wondering what owners do for a living that lets them buy a luxury vehicle like this. I do see that the whole less cost of maintenance and having no gasoline charge. Even then it s still an expensive car. Thanks | ParadiseCity1995 | 2014-10-17 15:06:40 | 19 | clce0t3 | Software Technology answers: 11 Medical Body : 3 Non-software engineer: 2 Other: 1 I m a software developer and only make $25k (post tax pre-living expenses) ($34k pre-tax). I m obviously working for the wrong company. Anyone here hiring? | deskjethp | 2014-10-17 20:56:32 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2jisu4 | [SERIOUS] [OWNERS] What do you do for a living that allows you to be able to buy a Tesla? | I m just a 2nd year engineering student and this is my dream car. I was just wondering what owners do for a living that lets them buy a luxury vehicle like this. I do see that the whole less cost of maintenance and having no gasoline charge. Even then it s still an expensive car. Thanks | ParadiseCity1995 | 2014-10-17 15:06:40 | 19 | clc4tdk | Attorney for insurance companies (AKA sell-out blood sucking attorney as they say). I have delivery in ~3 weeks. I live in Los Angeles and drive to courthouses all over from Bakersfield to San Diego. Even San Francisco sometimes if a client really wants me to handle the case deposition up there. The HOV access on SoCal highways was a HUGE selling point for me. We charge our clients an hourly rate including travel time. If there is an accident on the 405 on my way to court it could end up costing my client a lot of money. Granted I could get HOV access with a less expensive EV Hybrid - but Tesla is too damn awesome! They don t have the range or charging points either. Final note: to be honest if I hadn t made a good chunk of money from TSLA stock (I bought under $100 then re-upped more around $150) - I wouldn t be able to afford the car. That chunk of money turned a ridiculously expensive car price (3-4x what I ve ever paid for a car) into a car price closer to regular ICE luxury MB BMW Audi. | dieabetic | 2014-10-17 15:57:52 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2jisu4 | [SERIOUS] [OWNERS] What do you do for a living that allows you to be able to buy a Tesla? | I m just a 2nd year engineering student and this is my dream car. I was just wondering what owners do for a living that lets them buy a luxury vehicle like this. I do see that the whole less cost of maintenance and having no gasoline charge. Even then it s still an expensive car. Thanks | ParadiseCity1995 | 2014-10-17 15:06:40 | 19 | clc86zo | Software developer with nearly 30 years of professional experience and an in-demand skill set. Also my wife and I have only had one (cheap used) car between the two of us for the last decade the savings from which help cover the cost. | koreth | 2014-10-17 17:48:48 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2jisu4 | [SERIOUS] [OWNERS] What do you do for a living that allows you to be able to buy a Tesla? | I m just a 2nd year engineering student and this is my dream car. I was just wondering what owners do for a living that lets them buy a luxury vehicle like this. I do see that the whole less cost of maintenance and having no gasoline charge. Even then it s still an expensive car. Thanks | ParadiseCity1995 | 2014-10-17 15:06:40 | 19 | clc7144 | My father is a real estate investor and oversees the aviation department of a fortune 500. And they still buy single-ply toilet paper. | DackJ | 2014-10-17 17:10:24 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2jisu4 | [SERIOUS] [OWNERS] What do you do for a living that allows you to be able to buy a Tesla? | I m just a 2nd year engineering student and this is my dream car. I was just wondering what owners do for a living that lets them buy a luxury vehicle like this. I do see that the whole less cost of maintenance and having no gasoline charge. Even then it s still an expensive car. Thanks | ParadiseCity1995 | 2014-10-17 15:06:40 | 19 | clc8fsz | MATH. All sticker prices are not created equal. A $90k Tesla isn t $90k after considering the cost of ownership. For instance subtract the following: -$11 500 (Illinois+Federal incentives) -$22 000 (7 years of gas present value of) -$5 000 (Maintenance total lack of) -$4 300 ($5 000 of saved airfare due to supercharger network present value of) This gets us to $47 200 equivalent cost of a gas car. Apples to Apples. Doing the same exercise with a $55 000 Mercedes gets you to $62 100 equivalent cost (add $3 900 for 7 years of premium gas add $3 200 for excessive maintenance costs). So a $90 000 Tesla is cheaper than a $55 000 Mercedes BMW Audi. | Capt_Pete_Mitchell | 2014-10-17 17:55:12 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2jisu4 | [SERIOUS] [OWNERS] What do you do for a living that allows you to be able to buy a Tesla? | I m just a 2nd year engineering student and this is my dream car. I was just wondering what owners do for a living that lets them buy a luxury vehicle like this. I do see that the whole less cost of maintenance and having no gasoline charge. Even then it s still an expensive car. Thanks | ParadiseCity1995 | 2014-10-17 15:06:40 | 19 | clc9xe0 | systems engineer and rental properties. edit: also no kids wife thats definitely a big reason | bobbyducati | 2014-10-17 18:44:16 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2jisu4 | [SERIOUS] [OWNERS] What do you do for a living that allows you to be able to buy a Tesla? | I m just a 2nd year engineering student and this is my dream car. I was just wondering what owners do for a living that lets them buy a luxury vehicle like this. I do see that the whole less cost of maintenance and having no gasoline charge. Even then it s still an expensive car. Thanks | ParadiseCity1995 | 2014-10-17 15:06:40 | 19 | clcmqja | Basic economics: the cost of a car is the initial cost less the cost to own less the cost to sell. Probably comparable to the cost of a Ford Mustang. Then the question is which adds the most to your life. Life is short and very uncertain Dude. Eat dessert first. | Logical3875 | 2014-10-18 02:42:08 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2jisu4 | [SERIOUS] [OWNERS] What do you do for a living that allows you to be able to buy a Tesla? | I m just a 2nd year engineering student and this is my dream car. I was just wondering what owners do for a living that lets them buy a luxury vehicle like this. I do see that the whole less cost of maintenance and having no gasoline charge. Even then it s still an expensive car. Thanks | ParadiseCity1995 | 2014-10-17 15:06:40 | 19 | clcq29t | I work for an oil company... Yeah | SherSlick | 2014-10-18 05:28:32 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2jisu4 | [SERIOUS] [OWNERS] What do you do for a living that allows you to be able to buy a Tesla? | I m just a 2nd year engineering student and this is my dream car. I was just wondering what owners do for a living that lets them buy a luxury vehicle like this. I do see that the whole less cost of maintenance and having no gasoline charge. Even then it s still an expensive car. Thanks | ParadiseCity1995 | 2014-10-17 15:06:40 | 19 | clc4mwr | Software developer here. Own an S85. | chriscrewdson | 2014-10-17 15:51:28 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
2jisu4 | [SERIOUS] [OWNERS] What do you do for a living that allows you to be able to buy a Tesla? | I m just a 2nd year engineering student and this is my dream car. I was just wondering what owners do for a living that lets them buy a luxury vehicle like this. I do see that the whole less cost of maintenance and having no gasoline charge. Even then it s still an expensive car. Thanks | ParadiseCity1995 | 2014-10-17 15:06:40 | 19 | clc5ddq | I m 23 and working as a software developer in Silicon Valley. I make around $115k a year - I was hired at $107k and recently got promoted. I got my BS from UC San Diego s Jacob s School of Engineering. Not all engineers make a lot of money though. Some of my EE friends are at $70k and salaries are lower outside of Silicon Valley. | ucsd_grad | 2014-10-17 16:17:04 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
5yas3l | [SUPER NOOB QUESTION] How does charging a Tesla work exactly? | I m looking into buying a Tesla Model 3 but I know nothing about how charging works or the cost. I read that Tesla will give 400 kWh (kilowatt-hour) of free Supercharging credits what does that mean exactly? Does that mean I get 400 free hours of charging? How many charges can I get out of that? Also how much would it cost to charge at home? I know you can buy a charge station thing at home but how much will overnight charging at home cost and will I need to contact my electricity provider in order to change something or let them know about my new EV car? | zywp | 2017-03-08 21:31:00 | 17 | deoiiot | kWh should be thought of as an amount similar to gallons of gasoline. So getting 400 kWh gives you a certain amount of fuel . Teslas for sale now hold between 60 and 100 kWh. Mileage will vary a bit depending on options. Also keep in mind if you re charging at home you won t need Supercharger credits much. Superchargers are public charge locations owned by Tesla and they charge a low fee to charge. The car comes with 400 kWh worth of electricity included in the price. You ll use this more on trips. As far as charging costs see what your local utility charges for each kWh of electricity (like price per gallon of gasoline). There s chargers you can have installed or use the one that comes with the car. They will charge the car at different speeds. Check out this page: https: www.tesla.com charging | dirtyfries | 2017-03-08 21:35:15 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
5yas3l | [SUPER NOOB QUESTION] How does charging a Tesla work exactly? | I m looking into buying a Tesla Model 3 but I know nothing about how charging works or the cost. I read that Tesla will give 400 kWh (kilowatt-hour) of free Supercharging credits what does that mean exactly? Does that mean I get 400 free hours of charging? How many charges can I get out of that? Also how much would it cost to charge at home? I know you can buy a charge station thing at home but how much will overnight charging at home cost and will I need to contact my electricity provider in order to change something or let them know about my new EV car? | zywp | 2017-03-08 21:31:00 | 17 | deoipsw | kWh is a quantity: 400 kWh means you can charge for 400 hours at 1kW or 2 hours at 200kW 1 hour at 400kW. It is like saying they give you gallons of gas. kW is a rate: like saying your hose can transfer 100 gallons of gas in an hour. 110V x 15A = 1.62kW (regular US outlet) 240V x 30A = 7.2kW (US dryer outlet) 240V x 50A = 12kW (US range stove outlet) You pay by the kWh so that is your cost and you can charge at the kW of your outlet or car whichever if slower so that is rate. | nod51 | 2017-03-08 21:38:41 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
6k4hba | [Serious] Stop Endangering Lives for Pictures | PSA: I love spy pics as much as the next person but some among us need to be called out. Today someone in silver Corolla almost killed a motorcyclist trying to chase a model 3 near the testing lab at the Fremont plant. It is a car people! One that will soon be released. A picture is not worth someone s life. Please act responsibly taking pictures when safe and legal. I am not currently associated with Telsa Inc but speak for friends that are. | siege342 | 2017-06-28 23:26:20 | 271 | djjajy0 | ****** UNLESS YOU GET A PIC OF THE HUD | abacabbmk | 2017-06-29 00:05:05 | 49 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
6k4hba | [Serious] Stop Endangering Lives for Pictures | PSA: I love spy pics as much as the next person but some among us need to be called out. Today someone in silver Corolla almost killed a motorcyclist trying to chase a model 3 near the testing lab at the Fremont plant. It is a car people! One that will soon be released. A picture is not worth someone s life. Please act responsibly taking pictures when safe and legal. I am not currently associated with Telsa Inc but speak for friends that are. | siege342 | 2017-06-28 23:26:20 | 271 | djj9d3n | It will be [interesting](http: i.imgur.com rxWS0b4.gifv) when that person inevitably posts the pictures online and then people figure out they re the irresponsible culprit. | LouBrown | 2017-06-28 23:38:28 | 32 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
6k4hba | [Serious] Stop Endangering Lives for Pictures | PSA: I love spy pics as much as the next person but some among us need to be called out. Today someone in silver Corolla almost killed a motorcyclist trying to chase a model 3 near the testing lab at the Fremont plant. It is a car people! One that will soon be released. A picture is not worth someone s life. Please act responsibly taking pictures when safe and legal. I am not currently associated with Telsa Inc but speak for friends that are. | siege342 | 2017-06-28 23:26:20 | 271 | djjd81h | You re asking people to not do something stupid. You know that this is impossible to ask right? En masse people are just stupid. | ilookatstuff1991 | 2017-06-29 01:04:09 | 18 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
6k4hba | [Serious] Stop Endangering Lives for Pictures | PSA: I love spy pics as much as the next person but some among us need to be called out. Today someone in silver Corolla almost killed a motorcyclist trying to chase a model 3 near the testing lab at the Fremont plant. It is a car people! One that will soon be released. A picture is not worth someone s life. Please act responsibly taking pictures when safe and legal. I am not currently associated with Telsa Inc but speak for friends that are. | siege342 | 2017-06-28 23:26:20 | 271 | djjlzdc | Similar things happen with guys chasing rare trains. In fact a few years ago a dude was filming a train while driving his vehicle left the road and drove into a crowd killing a child. It s just mind boggling how people can be so self absorbed. | LoudMusic | 2017-06-29 04:34:43 | 12 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
6k4hba | [Serious] Stop Endangering Lives for Pictures | PSA: I love spy pics as much as the next person but some among us need to be called out. Today someone in silver Corolla almost killed a motorcyclist trying to chase a model 3 near the testing lab at the Fremont plant. It is a car people! One that will soon be released. A picture is not worth someone s life. Please act responsibly taking pictures when safe and legal. I am not currently associated with Telsa Inc but speak for friends that are. | siege342 | 2017-06-28 23:26:20 | 271 | djjyzx7 | Elon needs to speed up the part 3 reveal to save lives. Yeah that s the ticket to save lives! | garthreddit | 2017-06-29 12:50:17 | 10 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
6k4hba | [Serious] Stop Endangering Lives for Pictures | PSA: I love spy pics as much as the next person but some among us need to be called out. Today someone in silver Corolla almost killed a motorcyclist trying to chase a model 3 near the testing lab at the Fremont plant. It is a car people! One that will soon be released. A picture is not worth someone s life. Please act responsibly taking pictures when safe and legal. I am not currently associated with Telsa Inc but speak for friends that are. | siege342 | 2017-06-28 23:26:20 | 271 | djjgk6g | what s even worse is the motorcyclist was about to get a really good picture of the model 3 after waiting all morning but couldn t get one because the Corolla got in the way. Common courtesy people. | SolarRoof | 2017-06-29 02:19:23 | 9 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
6k4hba | [Serious] Stop Endangering Lives for Pictures | PSA: I love spy pics as much as the next person but some among us need to be called out. Today someone in silver Corolla almost killed a motorcyclist trying to chase a model 3 near the testing lab at the Fremont plant. It is a car people! One that will soon be released. A picture is not worth someone s life. Please act responsibly taking pictures when safe and legal. I am not currently associated with Telsa Inc but speak for friends that are. | siege342 | 2017-06-28 23:26:20 | 271 | djjr1je | A blood sacrifice is just what the Model 3 needs right now. | manbearpyg | 2017-06-29 07:30:02 | 8 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
6k4hba | [Serious] Stop Endangering Lives for Pictures | PSA: I love spy pics as much as the next person but some among us need to be called out. Today someone in silver Corolla almost killed a motorcyclist trying to chase a model 3 near the testing lab at the Fremont plant. It is a car people! One that will soon be released. A picture is not worth someone s life. Please act responsibly taking pictures when safe and legal. I am not currently associated with Telsa Inc but speak for friends that are. | siege342 | 2017-06-28 23:26:20 | 271 | djk5njl | I noticed this quite some time ago - a few folks were getting borderline aggressive to get some of these shots both inside and out of their vehicles. I subtly alluded to this fact once and it was not received well. Unfortunately expecting this to change is probably asking too much. Too many people simply don t care suffice it to say. They won t see anything wrong with their behavior up until the very point that someone breaks the law or gets hurt. People want to be the next one to get a peek to share with the internet and perhaps reveal something new which everyone will inevitably fawn over and generates a lot of buzz and publicity. As an aside I do get a bit of a laugh at the idea that these are secretive spy shots or that there s anything secretive by now about the ones they re sending out. They ve been spotted all over the country at this point and many times a week now in the SF area. Often at public landmarks or popular SC locations. To that end I really do agree that it s not worth risking anyone s personal safety (or harassing their employees) to get yet another photo. | Iambro | 2017-06-29 15:10:29 | 8 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
6k4hba | [Serious] Stop Endangering Lives for Pictures | PSA: I love spy pics as much as the next person but some among us need to be called out. Today someone in silver Corolla almost killed a motorcyclist trying to chase a model 3 near the testing lab at the Fremont plant. It is a car people! One that will soon be released. A picture is not worth someone s life. Please act responsibly taking pictures when safe and legal. I am not currently associated with Telsa Inc but speak for friends that are. | siege342 | 2017-06-28 23:26:20 | 271 | djk6soh | Honestly if you yourself are driving you have no business taking pictures of anything on the road. | PrinceOfStealing | 2017-06-29 15:30:47 | 5 | Tesla Sentry Mode Setup |
ikoh41 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? | I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | miss_topportunity | 2020-09-01 17:17:31 | 44 | g3m4akm | Soon™ Tesla will crash....any day....the end is near | Swagnum_Pl | 2020-09-01 17:23:09 | 64 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
ikoh41 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? | I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | miss_topportunity | 2020-09-01 17:17:31 | 44 | g3mb0zn | they lost a lot of money in general losers do not tout their losing trades | justanotherguy677 | 2020-09-01 18:04:11 | 56 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
ikoh41 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? | I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | miss_topportunity | 2020-09-01 17:17:31 | 44 | g3mf6fn | I think shorting would actually make more sense now but it no longer requires crazy levels of hype and dishonesty. Now it just requires the market to eventually realize that it has gotten ahead of itself. | ITypeStupdThngsc84ju | 2020-09-01 18:28:48 | 29 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
ikoh41 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? | I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | miss_topportunity | 2020-09-01 17:17:31 | 44 | g3mdfex | Spiegal s recent thoughts on why he keeps shorting TSLA: https: www.morningstar.com news marketwatch 20200901388 his-short-position-just-got-obliterated-but-this-tesla-bear-isnt-giving-up | djelad | 2020-09-01 18:18:24 | 22 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
ikoh41 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? | I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | miss_topportunity | 2020-09-01 17:17:31 | 44 | g3m5y0v | Broke | E-1337 | 2020-09-01 17:32:42 | 20 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
ikoh41 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? | I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | miss_topportunity | 2020-09-01 17:17:31 | 44 | g3mmhb6 | All but some diehards are out. Even on one particular QTSLA sub I ve noticed a dramatic drop in people commenting on posts there over the past few months. These are people who always believed Tesla was on the verge of bankruptcy. They don t necessarily believe Tesla is a great company or anything but are facing the reality that it s *very* expensive to hold a short position on such a fast growing stock and that regardless of how they personally feel Tesla is not going away anytime soon. I don t think I ve seen any of them acknowledge that they re wrong. It seems like they generally believe they should be right but they re outnumbered by idiots pushing up the stock price. Even if TSLA is still a valuable company with a large product catalog and good marketshare decades from now I doubt they d change their mind. I keep an eye on them for a reality check and to make sure I m not missing anything. I m a TSLA bull myself always have been although I waited *way* too long to buy some shares. Still kicking myself for not buying when it was at about $30 years ago. | joggle1 | 2020-09-01 19:12:41 | 20 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
ikoh41 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? | I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | miss_topportunity | 2020-09-01 17:17:31 | 44 | g3m7ayd | They dead. | jeremyjsand | 2020-09-01 17:41:10 | 11 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
ikoh41 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? | I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | miss_topportunity | 2020-09-01 17:17:31 | 44 | g3m7jlh | Still shorted at around the same levels https: fintel.io ss us tsla But this chart doesn t make it clear on the avgage age of the short positions. I think there are at least two types of short those who hedge their position and those who are betting on the drop. | pixel4 | 2020-09-01 17:42:36 | 10 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
ikoh41 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? | I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | miss_topportunity | 2020-09-01 17:17:31 | 44 | g3m5ngg | Maybe they moved on to Nikola. | BraveRock | 2020-09-01 17:30:56 | 7 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
ikoh41 | [Serious] What happened to all the Tesla shorts? | I am curious about where they stand now? Are they still trying to say it s all smoke and mirrors? Are they still flying planes over storage lots to prove there is no demand? Have any of them publicly admitted they were wrong? Have them moved on to shorting some other company? Are they all pretending like it never happened? | miss_topportunity | 2020-09-01 17:17:31 | 44 | g3mapgg | Good ole Gordon Johnson living in his mom s basement is still being invited onto Yahoo (who cares anyway) with his *$87* [price target](https: www.google.com amp s finance.yahoo.com amphtml news tesla-analyst-gordon-johnson-couldnt-191908418.html) LOLLLLLL ...meanwhile we bulls are rich!!!!! | DrOctopus- | 2020-09-01 18:02:13 | 5 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
fdvzkv | [Service Experience] Great Mobile Tech Terrible Service Logistics | Scheduled service for my 2018 Model S at Westmont IL service center for MCU yellow banding mitigation replacement of passenger A pillar tweeter for crackling and had a concern about the rear passenger door latch lagging after the handle presents (causing you to have to tug on the door to open it). UV tool for MCU banding mitigation was down (it s always down) so I was rescheduled for mobile service. I was required to agree to a $150 estimate for service even though the vehicle is still within warranty. I asked: > I was provided an estimate charging for issues that should be covered under warranty. Under what circumstances would these issues not be covered? and was told: > This is just a preliminary quote for diagnosis. If we determine the repair is covered under warranty you won t be charged. Thanks! Tech replaced the A pillar speaker lubricated the door latch and told me to have a tech look at the door latch in the shop when I bring the vehicle in for the yellow banding issue. Said thanks and they left. Received a bill from Tesla for $240 replied to the text conversation with service to inquire as to why the tweeter speaker part replacement and troubleshooting abnormal door latch operation was not covered. Received the following reply: > Thank you for using Tesla Service. We have emailed your service invoice. Responses to this message are not monitored. For further assistance visit Tesla.com Support. Reply STOP to stop updates. Msg & Data rates may apply. I now have to drive to the Westmont service center to dispute the invoice in person and to obtain documentation as to why this was not covered under the vehicle warranty. The tech also highly recommended I buy the extended warranty plan for $2500 when I m out of warranty but I don t see the point if warranty work isn t covered under warranty. To be clear the tech (whose name I won t mention) was awesome. We had a great time chatting while he was doing the work and I have nothing but good things to say about my experience interacting with them. Tesla invoice (with VIN tech name etc) available to mods upon request to verify. | toomuchtodotoday | 2020-03-05 14:27:00 | 25 | fjk7qjc | Call the local number of the SC. Follow the prompts that say your car is currently in service (even though it s not this will actually go to someone local). Probably no answer but leave a voice message. In my experience they ll get back to you within 24 hours. | sabasaba19 | 2020-03-05 15:24:27 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
b3jmnv | [Speculation] Ian Kettle is the lead exterior designer of the blade runner truck and that has implications for what it will look like | So Tesla first hired Ian Kettle lead exterior designer of the [award winning](https: www.topgear.com car-news geneva-motor-show volvo-xc40-2018-european-car-year) Volvo XC40 in May 2018. Kettle describes the small SUV as a tough little robot and says that science fiction inspired him in the creation. The design was known to be very quirky but proved to be a huge hit and a best seller. He also designed the [Volvo 360c concept](https: www.volvocars.com us cars concepts 360c). Per Kettle [his] personal taste in design is having large sweeping surfaces that convey both a sense of calm and confidence in the product . [Sound familiar?](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1106714774694297601?lang=en) Anyway it was reported in August that he had moved one of the first sources to notice was Electrek. He then posted on his [instagram that he had joined Tesla](https: www.instagram.com p Bmqleq5FbPC ). [On September 30th Kettle posts that he bought a Ford Raptor](https: www.instagram.com p BoW60ziFjwF ). I was unable to find a single pick up concept or any hint that Kettle was remotely interested in pick up trucks prior to this. Note that Kettle is from the UK which does not even remotely have the same tastes in pick up trucks as the U.S. Meanwhile Elon Musk has been talking about his pick up truck for [6 years now](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 338117807910813696). He claims he has the core design and engineering in his mind in [2017](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 945713737729634304). He starts to claim that he may show a prototype or design by [2019 starting in 2017.](https: mobile.twitter.com elonmusk status 852581322451111936). He starts to discuss specific engineering and features of the truck on twitter in [June 2018](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1011672532838055937) suggesting that they started on some under the hood aspects in earnest a month after they hired Kettle. However it wasn t until November 2018 that he reveals [in a podcast with Kara Swisher](https: www.recode.net 2018 11 2 18053424 elon-musk-tesla-spacex-boring-company-self-driving-cars-saudi-twitter-kara-swisher-decode-podcast) exterior design elements specifically that the pick up truck will look cyperpunk and something out of blade runner. In early March 2019 [this picture](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ay7g10 ran_across_this_truck_of_dirty_model_3s_and_an ) is posted on reddit where some redditors speculate that the car under wraps in a Ford Raptor based on the exhaust tips the car that Kettle now drives after joining Tesla. Tin foil hat any one? --- So based on tangential sketchy evidence and my baselessly high self-confidence I am 99.99% sure that Kettle is the lead exterior designer on the pick up truck. Does it matter? No not really. But next time you guys spam this subreddit with predictions the design language from the Volvo 360c and XC40 are probably decent places to start. | Jsussuhshs | 2019-03-21 00:12:21 | 71 | ej02b5y | Nice sleuthing! | g1zm0929 | 2019-03-21 00:17:53 | 13 | Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck |
b3jmnv | [Speculation] Ian Kettle is the lead exterior designer of the blade runner truck and that has implications for what it will look like | So Tesla first hired Ian Kettle lead exterior designer of the [award winning](https: www.topgear.com car-news geneva-motor-show volvo-xc40-2018-european-car-year) Volvo XC40 in May 2018. Kettle describes the small SUV as a tough little robot and says that science fiction inspired him in the creation. The design was known to be very quirky but proved to be a huge hit and a best seller. He also designed the [Volvo 360c concept](https: www.volvocars.com us cars concepts 360c). Per Kettle [his] personal taste in design is having large sweeping surfaces that convey both a sense of calm and confidence in the product . [Sound familiar?](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1106714774694297601?lang=en) Anyway it was reported in August that he had moved one of the first sources to notice was Electrek. He then posted on his [instagram that he had joined Tesla](https: www.instagram.com p Bmqleq5FbPC ). [On September 30th Kettle posts that he bought a Ford Raptor](https: www.instagram.com p BoW60ziFjwF ). I was unable to find a single pick up concept or any hint that Kettle was remotely interested in pick up trucks prior to this. Note that Kettle is from the UK which does not even remotely have the same tastes in pick up trucks as the U.S. Meanwhile Elon Musk has been talking about his pick up truck for [6 years now](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 338117807910813696). He claims he has the core design and engineering in his mind in [2017](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 945713737729634304). He starts to claim that he may show a prototype or design by [2019 starting in 2017.](https: mobile.twitter.com elonmusk status 852581322451111936). He starts to discuss specific engineering and features of the truck on twitter in [June 2018](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1011672532838055937) suggesting that they started on some under the hood aspects in earnest a month after they hired Kettle. However it wasn t until November 2018 that he reveals [in a podcast with Kara Swisher](https: www.recode.net 2018 11 2 18053424 elon-musk-tesla-spacex-boring-company-self-driving-cars-saudi-twitter-kara-swisher-decode-podcast) exterior design elements specifically that the pick up truck will look cyperpunk and something out of blade runner. In early March 2019 [this picture](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ay7g10 ran_across_this_truck_of_dirty_model_3s_and_an ) is posted on reddit where some redditors speculate that the car under wraps in a Ford Raptor based on the exhaust tips the car that Kettle now drives after joining Tesla. Tin foil hat any one? --- So based on tangential sketchy evidence and my baselessly high self-confidence I am 99.99% sure that Kettle is the lead exterior designer on the pick up truck. Does it matter? No not really. But next time you guys spam this subreddit with predictions the design language from the Volvo 360c and XC40 are probably decent places to start. | Jsussuhshs | 2019-03-21 00:12:21 | 71 | ej05767 | Don t forget Randy Rodriguez. Tesla hired him in 2016. At Nissan he was the lead exterior designer for the 2016 Titan Lead designer for the Titan Warrior concept and lead exterior designer for the 370Z. https: electrek.co 2016 09 05 tesla-hires-designer-randy-rodriguez-nissan-370z-icon-a5-aircraft-nissan-titan | hkibad | 2019-03-21 00:53:36 | 11 | Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck |
b3jmnv | [Speculation] Ian Kettle is the lead exterior designer of the blade runner truck and that has implications for what it will look like | So Tesla first hired Ian Kettle lead exterior designer of the [award winning](https: www.topgear.com car-news geneva-motor-show volvo-xc40-2018-european-car-year) Volvo XC40 in May 2018. Kettle describes the small SUV as a tough little robot and says that science fiction inspired him in the creation. The design was known to be very quirky but proved to be a huge hit and a best seller. He also designed the [Volvo 360c concept](https: www.volvocars.com us cars concepts 360c). Per Kettle [his] personal taste in design is having large sweeping surfaces that convey both a sense of calm and confidence in the product . [Sound familiar?](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1106714774694297601?lang=en) Anyway it was reported in August that he had moved one of the first sources to notice was Electrek. He then posted on his [instagram that he had joined Tesla](https: www.instagram.com p Bmqleq5FbPC ). [On September 30th Kettle posts that he bought a Ford Raptor](https: www.instagram.com p BoW60ziFjwF ). I was unable to find a single pick up concept or any hint that Kettle was remotely interested in pick up trucks prior to this. Note that Kettle is from the UK which does not even remotely have the same tastes in pick up trucks as the U.S. Meanwhile Elon Musk has been talking about his pick up truck for [6 years now](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 338117807910813696). He claims he has the core design and engineering in his mind in [2017](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 945713737729634304). He starts to claim that he may show a prototype or design by [2019 starting in 2017.](https: mobile.twitter.com elonmusk status 852581322451111936). He starts to discuss specific engineering and features of the truck on twitter in [June 2018](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1011672532838055937) suggesting that they started on some under the hood aspects in earnest a month after they hired Kettle. However it wasn t until November 2018 that he reveals [in a podcast with Kara Swisher](https: www.recode.net 2018 11 2 18053424 elon-musk-tesla-spacex-boring-company-self-driving-cars-saudi-twitter-kara-swisher-decode-podcast) exterior design elements specifically that the pick up truck will look cyperpunk and something out of blade runner. In early March 2019 [this picture](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ay7g10 ran_across_this_truck_of_dirty_model_3s_and_an ) is posted on reddit where some redditors speculate that the car under wraps in a Ford Raptor based on the exhaust tips the car that Kettle now drives after joining Tesla. Tin foil hat any one? --- So based on tangential sketchy evidence and my baselessly high self-confidence I am 99.99% sure that Kettle is the lead exterior designer on the pick up truck. Does it matter? No not really. But next time you guys spam this subreddit with predictions the design language from the Volvo 360c and XC40 are probably decent places to start. | Jsussuhshs | 2019-03-21 00:12:21 | 71 | ej05r28 | In the other direction we have have Daimler and Tesla talking about supplying **Mercedes Sprinter** glider chassis sets to Tesla and more methodical analysis of the van truck pickup teaser image gives a pretty good indication match to the standard Transit Ducato Sprinter dimensions with a more aerodynamic front form-factor: * [tesla-truck-teaser-reverse-engineering.pdf](https: klapprad.owncube.com index.php s D9wTfYLZdeNKNG5) (2MB `.pdf`) Gives Tesla a delivery service van and pickup-to-hold-a-pickup all in one and still fits in a Tesla Supercharger space. Teaser image was very carefully cut to hide the wheel arch mirrors wind screen top and front skirt. | paul-sladen | 2019-03-21 01:00:25 | 8 | Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck |
b3jmnv | [Speculation] Ian Kettle is the lead exterior designer of the blade runner truck and that has implications for what it will look like | So Tesla first hired Ian Kettle lead exterior designer of the [award winning](https: www.topgear.com car-news geneva-motor-show volvo-xc40-2018-european-car-year) Volvo XC40 in May 2018. Kettle describes the small SUV as a tough little robot and says that science fiction inspired him in the creation. The design was known to be very quirky but proved to be a huge hit and a best seller. He also designed the [Volvo 360c concept](https: www.volvocars.com us cars concepts 360c). Per Kettle [his] personal taste in design is having large sweeping surfaces that convey both a sense of calm and confidence in the product . [Sound familiar?](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1106714774694297601?lang=en) Anyway it was reported in August that he had moved one of the first sources to notice was Electrek. He then posted on his [instagram that he had joined Tesla](https: www.instagram.com p Bmqleq5FbPC ). [On September 30th Kettle posts that he bought a Ford Raptor](https: www.instagram.com p BoW60ziFjwF ). I was unable to find a single pick up concept or any hint that Kettle was remotely interested in pick up trucks prior to this. Note that Kettle is from the UK which does not even remotely have the same tastes in pick up trucks as the U.S. Meanwhile Elon Musk has been talking about his pick up truck for [6 years now](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 338117807910813696). He claims he has the core design and engineering in his mind in [2017](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 945713737729634304). He starts to claim that he may show a prototype or design by [2019 starting in 2017.](https: mobile.twitter.com elonmusk status 852581322451111936). He starts to discuss specific engineering and features of the truck on twitter in [June 2018](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1011672532838055937) suggesting that they started on some under the hood aspects in earnest a month after they hired Kettle. However it wasn t until November 2018 that he reveals [in a podcast with Kara Swisher](https: www.recode.net 2018 11 2 18053424 elon-musk-tesla-spacex-boring-company-self-driving-cars-saudi-twitter-kara-swisher-decode-podcast) exterior design elements specifically that the pick up truck will look cyperpunk and something out of blade runner. In early March 2019 [this picture](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments ay7g10 ran_across_this_truck_of_dirty_model_3s_and_an ) is posted on reddit where some redditors speculate that the car under wraps in a Ford Raptor based on the exhaust tips the car that Kettle now drives after joining Tesla. Tin foil hat any one? --- So based on tangential sketchy evidence and my baselessly high self-confidence I am 99.99% sure that Kettle is the lead exterior designer on the pick up truck. Does it matter? No not really. But next time you guys spam this subreddit with predictions the design language from the Volvo 360c and XC40 are probably decent places to start. | Jsussuhshs | 2019-03-21 00:12:21 | 71 | ej053d3 | A week ago I received the XC40 and it s actually a fantastic looking car. I can t wait for the results of his work in Tesla! | LooZpl | 2019-03-21 00:52:16 | 7 | Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck |
exakz7 | [Stats] January 2020 Driving Charging Battery Efficiency Metrics | Hello all some people have had some questions about how their car works so I thought I d chart down everything I could about my Jan 2020 stats. I will try to answer as many questions and list as much pertinent info as I can so feel free to ask. |**Question**|**Answer (for Jan 2020**| |:-|:-| |**Model**|LR RWD| |**Wheels**|18 (no caps)| |**General Temps**|High - 80s Low - 50s (Sunny Socal)| |**HVAC**|Very little to none (this one s important)| |**Windows** | Up 99.9% |**Driving Conditions**|Lots of city driving lots of stop-n-go fwy traffic some regular 70+mph fwy speeds| |**Mileage**|40-50 per weekday then weekends are random| |**Sentry Mode?**|**NO** (I risked my car to rule out any potential energy killers)| |**Cabin Overheat**|Yes (fan only) but it never triggered| Unfortunately I have too many columns so reddit table formatting makes it look hideous. So here is an online spreadsheet of all the stats: * https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 17FXC-lQr1bR7I2aGWFxUtTUz6W2mLMBnv_JGYPlfjko edit?usp=sharing (if ethercalc is not working) * [https: ethercalc.org qv5ki3zngckx](https: ethercalc.org qv5ki3zngckx) * Image link - https: imgur.com cWjRI1J However I will pick out key metrics which some people might be interested in namely what I call NDEC (or Non-Driving Energy Coefficient). You can see all the data points in the spreadsheet (which includes stuff like estimated mileage (battery degradation) and charging efficiency. However here is a condensed version I will try to highlight some areas. |**Date**|**kWh Miles Remaining (Start Trip)**|**kWh Miles Remaining (End Trip)**|**kWh Miles After Charge**|**Since Last Charge Reported**|**Actual kWh Used**|**kWh Difference % NDEC**|**Miles Driven**| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |2019 01 04|n a|n a|57.5 kWh 247 miles|n a|n a|n a|n a| |2020 01 07|57.5 kWh 247 miles|16.2 kWh 70 miles|43.6 kWh 189 miles|33.9 kWh < > 212Wh mi|41.3 kWh|7.4 kWh (17.9% NDEC)|160| |2020 01 10|43.6 kWh 189 miles|3 kWh 13 miles|57.3 kWh 248 miles|30.9 kWh < > 215Wh mi|40.6 kWh|9.6 kWh (23.6% NDEC)|144| |2020 01 14|57.3 kWh 248 miles|15 kWh 65 miles|52.9 kWh 229 miles|35.1 kWh < > 220Wh mi|42.3 kWh|7.3 kWh (17.3% NDEC)|159.5| |2020 01 18|52.9 kWh 229 miles|3.7 kWh 16 miles|45.0 kWh 195 miles|35.5 kWh < > 210Wh mi|49.2 kWh|14.2 kWh (28.9% NDEC)|169.4| |2020 01 22|45.0 kWh 195 miles|7.8 kWh 34 miles|47.7 kWh 207 miles|31.5 kWh < > 210Wh mi|37.2 kWh|5.7 kWh (15.3% NDEC)|149.8| |2020 01 23|47.7 kWh 207 miles|35.1 kWh 152 miles|65.8 kWh 285 miles|8.4 kWh < > 198Wh mi|12.6 kWh|4.2 kWh (33.3% NDEC)|42.4| |2020 01 28|65.8 kWh 285 miles|7.8 kWh 34 miles|35.1 kWh 152 miles|49 kWh < > 205Wh mi|58 kWh|9 kWh (15.5% NDEC)|240.3| |2020 01 29|35.1 kWh 152 miles|23.8 kWh 103 miles|44.6 kWh 193 miles|9.4 kWh < > 208Wh mi|11.3 kWh|1.9 kWh (16.8% NDEC)|45.3| |2020 01 30|44.6 kWh 193 miles|30 kWh 130 miles|62.8 kWh 272 miles|11.5 kWh < > 199Wh mi|14.6 kWh|3.1 kWh (21.2% NDEC)|57.9| |2019 02 ??|62.8 kWh 272 miles|n a|n a|n a|n a|n a|n a| Now for some notable stats: * **Trip A (Jan 2020)**: 1277 miles 267 kWh 209Wh mi. I reset every month and rename Trip A by month. Tip: Rename Trip B to Lifetime! * **Total kWh Purchased**: 288.4kWh. **Total Car Received:** 271.9kWH. Conversion efficiency average = **94.3%** * **Highest Reported Battery Degradation:** 65.3kWh **(13%)** * **Lowest Reported Battery Degradation:** 75kWh **(0%)** * **Current Average Battery Degredation:** 71.49kWh **(4.68%)** * **Total kWh of Driving Energy Used** (Since Last Charge sum): 245.2kWh * **Total kWh Car Consumed:** 307.1kWh * **NDEC kWh total for month**: 61.9kWh * **NDEC % average for Month**: 61.9 307.1 = **20.2%** * **Highest Lowest NDEC%**: 28.9% NDEC (35.5kWh vs 49.2 kWH) 15.5% NDEC (49kWh vs 58kWh) * **Miles Driven Total Calculated** = 1168.6 (yes different from 1277 miles since it does not calculate the miles driven from 1 1 to 1 3 and 1 31) * **Since Last Charge Month Total**: 1168.6 miles 245.2 kWh | **209.8Wh mi** * ** Actual Since Last Charge (factoring NDEC)**: 1168.6 miles 307.1 kWh | **262.8Wh mi** * [In a post back in Oct 2019 ](https: www.reddit.com r TeslaModel3 comments dk5tk9 1_year_16000_miles_234whmi_best_car_ive_ever_owned ) I was at 16000 miles at 234Wh mi. Currently I m at 20200 miles and 230Wh mi. This means that in order to lower my average Wh mi from 234-> 230 for the last 4200 miles I had averaged 220-225Wh mi which is increasingly dropping. * **Someone reported that 2020.4.1 has increased Wh mi efficiency.** My last drive with 2020.4.1 had a Wh mi of 199Wh mi so there might be something going on here. Feb stats should be interesting! **How do you calculate NDEC?** * First you need to start a trip (not the Trip A B meter). Basically you want to calculate energy between charges. Best thing to do is take a picture of your current Miles Remaining and start your trip there. **I will use my Jan 14th -> Jan 18th Data Points for this example.**Ex: Start Trip Pic: [https: imgur.com yGEseV0](https: imgur.com yGEseV0) * Drive! Now depending on your driving habits patterns you would either have to charge daily (if you drive over 100-200 miles a day). However since I average about 40-50 per weekday I can afford to charge every 3-4 days. * End your trip (as in right before you charge). take a note or picture of your Since Last Charge with the Miles Remaining . * Subtract Miles Remaining from Start Trip to End Trip to get your Miles Spent * Convert Miles Spent to kWh by dividing the miles to your EPA rated average. (this is a hard-coded variable that is dependent on your FW and mileage see below). In my case it is 4.33 miles Ex: End Trip Pic: [https: imgur.com ChODSVw](https: imgur.com ChODSVw) * Compare the kWh reported in Since Last Charge to the Total kWH Spent to operate your car which includes Driving and Non-Driving Energy. Subtract and that is your NDEC. Divide and that is your NDEC%. * Using the data points from my Jan 14th -> Jan 18th Trip you can see that my Since Last Charge reported 35kWh of Driving Energy used but I have calculated that my car has used (52.9-3.7) = 49.2kWh between Jan 14th -> Jan 18th. NDEC = 14.2kWh NDEC% = 28.9%. **You re kind of ruining the Display % instead of Miles Remaining debate...** * Actually on the daily I drive with %. However I have to calculate via Miles Remaining since that shows battery degradation (which is finicky and shows whatever TF it feels like. Since Tesla updated the app to show the estimated 100% battery range via the Charging slider you can average out your findings to see what your current degradation is. **Current Known EPA ratings per trim:** * LR RWD = 75 000 325 miles = 230.77 Wh mi = **4.33 miles** per 1 kWh * LR AWD = 75 000 310 miles = 241.93 Wh mi = **4.13 miles** per 1 kWh * LR AWD = 75 000 322 miles = 232.92 Wh mi = **4.29 miles** per 1 kWh (depends on FW i suppose) * 2019 SR+ = 54 500 240 miles = 227.08 Wh mi = **4.40 miles** per 1 kWh * 2020 SR+ = 54 500 250 miles = 218 Wh mi = **4.59 miles** per 1 kWh Note: hasn t been confirmed what makes 2020 SR+ 250 miles could be additional hardware software tweaks but will have to wait to see what big T says) If you read this far down thanks for looking :) | teslrrrrr | 2020-02-01 18:43:42 | 49 | fg7ispm | Thank you SO much for tracking collecting and posting all of this. Did I get correctly that you re achieving a 4.76 miles (7.66km) per kWh? That s very good! I can only get that on some trips. Short bursty trips ruin my efficiency. BTW I m firmly in the distance display camp and not SoC percentage. The only time I switch to percentage is when I want to hit < 10% SoC when arriving at a Supercharger. That said I wish the car displayed both at the same time. | JR2502 | 2020-02-01 21:45:43 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8kwkw6 | [Suggestion Idea] Label the insides of your aero wheel caps so they can be returned to you if they are found after coming lose or stolen-then-discarded. | I ve seen a number of posts about aero caps coming off on their own or (possibly) being stolen. That got me thinking - I suggest to others that they label the insides of their caps with their contact info so it can be returned to you! Recommend label maker in very large letters so it s hard to miss. Key word is the INSIDE ! Just a thought. | solarisfowl | 2018-05-20 23:46:56 | 40 | dzb2fip | That is an interesting thought. I wonder if it would discourage thieves or if it would be a step closer to identity theft. I m not trying to squash your good thought just playing devils advocate a little. Maybe a “registration” number and url to go register them. Then when they submit you could contact them to get your “lost” wheel covers? | budlande | 2018-05-20 23:53:59 | 5 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
dwdswp | [Suggestion] - (Make forward reverse options selectable for new HOLD mode) | Really wondering if I m the only one who finds this awkward or not. I love the new HOLD mode for regen and stopping 99% of the time while I m out driving around etc. Going forward it makes all the sense in the world but in reverse it s really very strange and kind of feels awkward. For example when I back out of my slightly-sloped driveway it s actually kind of weird. It seems like the normal feel is for you to hit the accelerator get moving and then coast down the driveway in reverse. But now I have to keep pressing the pedal while I go down the decline of the driveway or my car will stop in the middle of the driveway even tho it s a downhill slope from the garage... I mean I ve only had HOLD mode for a few days now and it took virtually no time to get used to... Except for this case and in reverse in general... It s just strange for the car to stop as soon as I let up off the accelerator while in reverse. Am I alone in this and will just have to get used to it? Or are there other people that find this kind of awkward as well? If it s just me I ll shut up go away and learn to get used to it... :-P But if it s not maybe it would be great to have a selector when you choose the HOLD mode that allows you to choose whether you set it to ON for forward reverse or both. (I literally CANNOT imagine someone using it for JUST reverse but the world is a strange place) :-P | Denebius2000 | 2019-11-14 18:41:33 | 54 | f7idktz | Feels perfectly normal to me. It should act the same in reverse as it does going forward. | croninsiglos | 2019-11-14 18:55:11 | 18 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
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