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9cjdxk | [Discussion] RWD Model 3 owners any regrets about not getting AWD? | I have the RWD currently and live in a state where weather conditions are phenomenal to not warrant the AWD and don t live near heavy terrains where the AWD would ve come in handy so I opted for the RWD. I absolutely love the car but after almost a month of using it I notice the areas where it would have be tremendously useful. For one when making sharp turns I encounter a bit of slippage that I think would be counteracted by another motor. It isn t significantly bad but is noticeable when making a quick turn at a moderate speed. Because it is such a fast car and you don t notice speed differences compared to an ICE at lower speeds it can throw you off if you re not completely aware. The other is the acceleration. Coming from a non-luxury 10 year older car the acceleration was the most surreal thing I ve ever experienced. I thought it would be a bit faster than my old car but on par with most of the luxury vehicles- boy was I surprised. That feeling is still there but I sometimes wonder how much of an improvement would have been made with an extra 0.6 seconds. Overall it s a car that I absolutely love but I wonder if an extra 5 000 would have been worth it since I had already gone that far for a standard RWD. Edit: After a lot of your considerations I decided to rethink my view and go on a fun cruise today. For those of you who do not regret it one bit I am on your side. | gattaca34 | 2018-09-03 07:12:41 | 27 | e5b9iml | How can people really answer this question without living through a couple winters with it?! | ninjasenses | 2018-09-03 10:00:44 | 9 | Electric Performance Car Comparison |
9cjdxk | [Discussion] RWD Model 3 owners any regrets about not getting AWD? | I have the RWD currently and live in a state where weather conditions are phenomenal to not warrant the AWD and don t live near heavy terrains where the AWD would ve come in handy so I opted for the RWD. I absolutely love the car but after almost a month of using it I notice the areas where it would have be tremendously useful. For one when making sharp turns I encounter a bit of slippage that I think would be counteracted by another motor. It isn t significantly bad but is noticeable when making a quick turn at a moderate speed. Because it is such a fast car and you don t notice speed differences compared to an ICE at lower speeds it can throw you off if you re not completely aware. The other is the acceleration. Coming from a non-luxury 10 year older car the acceleration was the most surreal thing I ve ever experienced. I thought it would be a bit faster than my old car but on par with most of the luxury vehicles- boy was I surprised. That feeling is still there but I sometimes wonder how much of an improvement would have been made with an extra 0.6 seconds. Overall it s a car that I absolutely love but I wonder if an extra 5 000 would have been worth it since I had already gone that far for a standard RWD. Edit: After a lot of your considerations I decided to rethink my view and go on a fun cruise today. For those of you who do not regret it one bit I am on your side. | gattaca34 | 2018-09-03 07:12:41 | 27 | e5bg78b | I do regret not getting AWD but I didn t have a choice since my province elected mini-trump who quickly removed our generous $14K EV rebate so I couldn t wait. Effectively AWD would of cost me $20K cad so I opted against it. | whyvas | 2018-09-03 13:18:11 | 6 | Electric Performance Car Comparison |
9cjdxk | [Discussion] RWD Model 3 owners any regrets about not getting AWD? | I have the RWD currently and live in a state where weather conditions are phenomenal to not warrant the AWD and don t live near heavy terrains where the AWD would ve come in handy so I opted for the RWD. I absolutely love the car but after almost a month of using it I notice the areas where it would have be tremendously useful. For one when making sharp turns I encounter a bit of slippage that I think would be counteracted by another motor. It isn t significantly bad but is noticeable when making a quick turn at a moderate speed. Because it is such a fast car and you don t notice speed differences compared to an ICE at lower speeds it can throw you off if you re not completely aware. The other is the acceleration. Coming from a non-luxury 10 year older car the acceleration was the most surreal thing I ve ever experienced. I thought it would be a bit faster than my old car but on par with most of the luxury vehicles- boy was I surprised. That feeling is still there but I sometimes wonder how much of an improvement would have been made with an extra 0.6 seconds. Overall it s a car that I absolutely love but I wonder if an extra 5 000 would have been worth it since I had already gone that far for a standard RWD. Edit: After a lot of your considerations I decided to rethink my view and go on a fun cruise today. For those of you who do not regret it one bit I am on your side. | gattaca34 | 2018-09-03 07:12:41 | 27 | e5b6k07 | Honestly a little. But I also would have had to wait additional weeks maybe months and the time I ve had with the car has been excellent. SoCal resident so I ll never really need the AWD for weather and it handles like a monster when I ve opened it up around curves etc. It really can handle alot more than I d ever be willing to test so I m very content. Also it would have made my wife (and me to a lesser extent) a bit stressed to spend an additional $5k so glad to not have that added financial stress. | jrglpfm | 2018-09-03 08:12:44 | 5 | Electric Performance Car Comparison |
9cjdxk | [Discussion] RWD Model 3 owners any regrets about not getting AWD? | I have the RWD currently and live in a state where weather conditions are phenomenal to not warrant the AWD and don t live near heavy terrains where the AWD would ve come in handy so I opted for the RWD. I absolutely love the car but after almost a month of using it I notice the areas where it would have be tremendously useful. For one when making sharp turns I encounter a bit of slippage that I think would be counteracted by another motor. It isn t significantly bad but is noticeable when making a quick turn at a moderate speed. Because it is such a fast car and you don t notice speed differences compared to an ICE at lower speeds it can throw you off if you re not completely aware. The other is the acceleration. Coming from a non-luxury 10 year older car the acceleration was the most surreal thing I ve ever experienced. I thought it would be a bit faster than my old car but on par with most of the luxury vehicles- boy was I surprised. That feeling is still there but I sometimes wonder how much of an improvement would have been made with an extra 0.6 seconds. Overall it s a car that I absolutely love but I wonder if an extra 5 000 would have been worth it since I had already gone that far for a standard RWD. Edit: After a lot of your considerations I decided to rethink my view and go on a fun cruise today. For those of you who do not regret it one bit I am on your side. | gattaca34 | 2018-09-03 07:12:41 | 27 | e5b7azm | I doubt they know what they are missing. RWD is pretty damn good. AWD is just better. | stmfreak | 2018-09-03 08:38:46 | 5 | Electric Performance Car Comparison |
9cjdxk | [Discussion] RWD Model 3 owners any regrets about not getting AWD? | I have the RWD currently and live in a state where weather conditions are phenomenal to not warrant the AWD and don t live near heavy terrains where the AWD would ve come in handy so I opted for the RWD. I absolutely love the car but after almost a month of using it I notice the areas where it would have be tremendously useful. For one when making sharp turns I encounter a bit of slippage that I think would be counteracted by another motor. It isn t significantly bad but is noticeable when making a quick turn at a moderate speed. Because it is such a fast car and you don t notice speed differences compared to an ICE at lower speeds it can throw you off if you re not completely aware. The other is the acceleration. Coming from a non-luxury 10 year older car the acceleration was the most surreal thing I ve ever experienced. I thought it would be a bit faster than my old car but on par with most of the luxury vehicles- boy was I surprised. That feeling is still there but I sometimes wonder how much of an improvement would have been made with an extra 0.6 seconds. Overall it s a car that I absolutely love but I wonder if an extra 5 000 would have been worth it since I had already gone that far for a standard RWD. Edit: After a lot of your considerations I decided to rethink my view and go on a fun cruise today. For those of you who do not regret it one bit I am on your side. | gattaca34 | 2018-09-03 07:12:41 | 27 | e5bhfmm | I have AWD and get a twinge of jealousy when reading about the awesomeness of the P3D. Point being—you ll always wish you had the better version—it s human nature. But no matter what version of the Model 3 you have it really is an amazing car. | thebigbobowski | 2018-09-03 13:43:51 | 5 | Electric Performance Car Comparison |
8lli2v | [Discussion] Re-configure from RWD to AWD: has anyone done it? What s the strategy? | So I was looking at the giant Model 3 Invites Spreadsheet and it appears as though some of our Canadian friends have configured their car in April and yet have their vehicle listed as AWD . Are people able to switch to AWD AFTER they have already configured? Is there a fee if you don t have a VIN yet? The reason I made this a discussion is because it appears as though some qualitative strategy is need to make a decision about this. I feel as though many of us would not want to lose the tax credit so who is in a position if anyone is to re-configure and still get there vehicle in time for the credit? I put my deposit down on 3 31 16 and configured on 4 20. I don t have the option under Edit Design to configure the vehicle with AWD but I did get an email saying that my car won t be delivered until July. I don t have a VIN yet but I am considering switching to AWD if possible. | QW1Q | 2018-05-23 18:04:09 | 24 | dzgglu0 | Invited and configured 4 15. Considering that I received my your car will be ready in June email a few days ago I m virtually guaranteed that I will miss WA State s tax credit when it expires next week. Therefore I might as well take advantage of the release of AWD (which is the config I really want). **UPDATE:** Just called Tesla. An ISA had switched my order back into a reservation and deferred the funds from the First Production order into the AWD order. For my particular reservation wait is about 4 months (~September just towards the tail end of Q3 eek). Shortly before that time I will receive another invitation email to reselect all of the options I want including AWD of course. It s my understanding that this is simply what would ve happened had I **not** committed to First Production when I received my initial invitation to configure and instead deferred. Hope this helps! | IgnitedVelocity | 2018-05-23 18:12:50 | 18 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8lli2v | [Discussion] Re-configure from RWD to AWD: has anyone done it? What s the strategy? | So I was looking at the giant Model 3 Invites Spreadsheet and it appears as though some of our Canadian friends have configured their car in April and yet have their vehicle listed as AWD . Are people able to switch to AWD AFTER they have already configured? Is there a fee if you don t have a VIN yet? The reason I made this a discussion is because it appears as though some qualitative strategy is need to make a decision about this. I feel as though many of us would not want to lose the tax credit so who is in a position if anyone is to re-configure and still get there vehicle in time for the credit? I put my deposit down on 3 31 16 and configured on 4 20. I don t have the option under Edit Design to configure the vehicle with AWD but I did get an email saying that my car won t be delivered until July. I don t have a VIN yet but I am considering switching to AWD if possible. | QW1Q | 2018-05-23 18:04:09 | 24 | dzh0imb | Too much risk losing half fed tax credit making awd 8k extra so I m holding the course with 1st production. It s the frugal thing to do and I will still be thrilled with the configuration | sk8erpunc | 2018-05-23 23:13:14 | 8 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8lli2v | [Discussion] Re-configure from RWD to AWD: has anyone done it? What s the strategy? | So I was looking at the giant Model 3 Invites Spreadsheet and it appears as though some of our Canadian friends have configured their car in April and yet have their vehicle listed as AWD . Are people able to switch to AWD AFTER they have already configured? Is there a fee if you don t have a VIN yet? The reason I made this a discussion is because it appears as though some qualitative strategy is need to make a decision about this. I feel as though many of us would not want to lose the tax credit so who is in a position if anyone is to re-configure and still get there vehicle in time for the credit? I put my deposit down on 3 31 16 and configured on 4 20. I don t have the option under Edit Design to configure the vehicle with AWD but I did get an email saying that my car won t be delivered until July. I don t have a VIN yet but I am considering switching to AWD if possible. | QW1Q | 2018-05-23 18:04:09 | 24 | dzgicfa | If you only recently received an invite you won t receive an invite for AWD for a few months. If you haven t received your invite yet you won t receive an invite for AWD for a few months...after you receive your first production invite. As such very few people will be in a position to upgrade their orders. | iiixii | 2018-05-23 18:37:49 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8iy90m | [Discussion] Ready to start obsessing over the Y? | We ve had the 3 for a couple weeks now and every other car just seems stupid. With the i3 we needed my 4Runner for longer trips but the 3 gets us anywhere we want to go with the exception of gravel roads. We have considered trading in the 4Runner on a Outlander PHEV but that tech just seems dated already. An X would fit the bill but its just to spendy and not being able to carry things on the roof really cuts back on the utility for us. The agony of waiting for the 3 was so much fun! When do we line up for the Y? | machine_yearning | 2018-05-12 19:17:41 | 30 | dyvi9vl | I should be getting my 3 in early June and am 100& #37 planning on reserving a Y as soon as we can. My current Prius is going to my Fiance but when I get the Y then she can have my 3 :\) | gheldean | 2018-05-12 19:39:38 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8iy90m | [Discussion] Ready to start obsessing over the Y? | We ve had the 3 for a couple weeks now and every other car just seems stupid. With the i3 we needed my 4Runner for longer trips but the 3 gets us anywhere we want to go with the exception of gravel roads. We have considered trading in the 4Runner on a Outlander PHEV but that tech just seems dated already. An X would fit the bill but its just to spendy and not being able to carry things on the roof really cuts back on the utility for us. The agony of waiting for the 3 was so much fun! When do we line up for the Y? | machine_yearning | 2018-05-12 19:17:41 | 30 | dyvhlou | Right let s show interest in Jeep-like off-road capability in some Tesla vehicle such as the Model Y. Sanctioned Tesla-approved auxiliary uses of power is also of interest such as for camping and to power lots of interesting devices beyond what the current limited implementation provides with USB and low-current 12V outlet. Funny you should mention the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. The GT version of that vehicle provides two 120V AC outlets providing up to 1500W of power but its 12V DC supply is not so high capacity and I don t believe it has a good keep climate on camping mode for using its heating and A C system as do the Tesla models S and X (not yet the Model 3). | gc2488 | 2018-05-12 19:26:56 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8iy90m | [Discussion] Ready to start obsessing over the Y? | We ve had the 3 for a couple weeks now and every other car just seems stupid. With the i3 we needed my 4Runner for longer trips but the 3 gets us anywhere we want to go with the exception of gravel roads. We have considered trading in the 4Runner on a Outlander PHEV but that tech just seems dated already. An X would fit the bill but its just to spendy and not being able to carry things on the roof really cuts back on the utility for us. The agony of waiting for the 3 was so much fun! When do we line up for the Y? | machine_yearning | 2018-05-12 19:17:41 | 30 | dyvhap6 | In 6 to 12 months give or take. | izybit | 2018-05-12 19:21:03 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
axbjee | [Discussion] Realistic expectations for Tesla s FSD | I know this has been discussed a-lot and short of any actual information from Tesla engineers or Musk himself we won t really know how far along they are towards fully capable L5 FSD. I was watching this video (super interesting btw) of one of Waymo s chief engineers discussing the long tail problems that Waymo faces with its self driving cars currently and it really made me wonder if Tesla would ever catch up to them. In the first few minutes of the video he discusses some unique scenarios their car had to face on public roads including: * Emergency stops for someone running a red light * vehicle in opposite lane accidentally dropping a load of metal pipes on the road * emergency stop for ambulance crossing the intersection (car needed to see and hear the emergency vehicle s sirens) * biker in bike lane holding a (stolen?) stop sign (car needs to correctly distinguish legitimate signage) * people wearing dinosaur costumes (need to correctly classify as pedestrians) and many more. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Q0nGo2-y0xY From a purely engineering perspective and given what we know about Tesla s current FSD capabilities is it even possible for them to achieve this level of perception and capability with the current sensor suite and software? I want my model 3 to drive itself someday but I also want to be realistic with my expectations. I feel like their decision to offer a Full self driving payed option is misleading at best and false advertising at worst and it would really make a lot of people happier if Tesla was more forthcoming with their FSD timeline and capabilities.. TLDR: Waymo tech talk painted what seemed to me to be an almost insurmountable gap between their FSD capabilities and what Tesla currently has. Is it even possible for Tesla to achieve level 5 FSD given their current hardware and is their decision to offer FSD as a paid option harmful to their image? | raymondftw | 2019-03-04 19:56:52 | 30 | ehsf8g4 | I d be okay with it driving the car 99% of the time and me intervening in the situations you mentioned. I understand they are going to need the driver to remain vigilant responsible and in control - at least at first. The steering wheel isn t going away yet. | SeBsZ | 2019-03-04 20:02:09 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
axbjee | [Discussion] Realistic expectations for Tesla s FSD | I know this has been discussed a-lot and short of any actual information from Tesla engineers or Musk himself we won t really know how far along they are towards fully capable L5 FSD. I was watching this video (super interesting btw) of one of Waymo s chief engineers discussing the long tail problems that Waymo faces with its self driving cars currently and it really made me wonder if Tesla would ever catch up to them. In the first few minutes of the video he discusses some unique scenarios their car had to face on public roads including: * Emergency stops for someone running a red light * vehicle in opposite lane accidentally dropping a load of metal pipes on the road * emergency stop for ambulance crossing the intersection (car needed to see and hear the emergency vehicle s sirens) * biker in bike lane holding a (stolen?) stop sign (car needs to correctly distinguish legitimate signage) * people wearing dinosaur costumes (need to correctly classify as pedestrians) and many more. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Q0nGo2-y0xY From a purely engineering perspective and given what we know about Tesla s current FSD capabilities is it even possible for them to achieve this level of perception and capability with the current sensor suite and software? I want my model 3 to drive itself someday but I also want to be realistic with my expectations. I feel like their decision to offer a Full self driving payed option is misleading at best and false advertising at worst and it would really make a lot of people happier if Tesla was more forthcoming with their FSD timeline and capabilities.. TLDR: Waymo tech talk painted what seemed to me to be an almost insurmountable gap between their FSD capabilities and what Tesla currently has. Is it even possible for Tesla to achieve level 5 FSD given their current hardware and is their decision to offer FSD as a paid option harmful to their image? | raymondftw | 2019-03-04 19:56:52 | 30 | ehsfi17 | I know that FSD seems to be a clear-cut term but I don t think it is. I think FSD probably means The car will drive you all the way to work without intervention but you still need to be there for oversight in highly unusual situations. In time those highly unusual situations start to go away as Tesla gets better and better at it and gathers more AI data but Tesla doesn t have to make the regulatory leap to a fully-unattended vehicle. Even if the car drives itself > 99% of the time if they don t say It s fully autonomous then they can classify it as a driver assistance device and face far less scrutiny. Waymo and companies like them went straight to the fully-unattended model which is fine but that s also why (at least right now) they are far more limited as far as location weather etc. The limited definition of FSD I described I would find reasonably acceptable with the knowledge that in the future it could be re-classified as even more. I think Tesla is going to baby-step their way into actual autonomy incrementally by getting better and better whereas some competitors are trying to make the leap all at once. | majesticjg | 2019-03-04 20:05:11 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
axbjee | [Discussion] Realistic expectations for Tesla s FSD | I know this has been discussed a-lot and short of any actual information from Tesla engineers or Musk himself we won t really know how far along they are towards fully capable L5 FSD. I was watching this video (super interesting btw) of one of Waymo s chief engineers discussing the long tail problems that Waymo faces with its self driving cars currently and it really made me wonder if Tesla would ever catch up to them. In the first few minutes of the video he discusses some unique scenarios their car had to face on public roads including: * Emergency stops for someone running a red light * vehicle in opposite lane accidentally dropping a load of metal pipes on the road * emergency stop for ambulance crossing the intersection (car needed to see and hear the emergency vehicle s sirens) * biker in bike lane holding a (stolen?) stop sign (car needs to correctly distinguish legitimate signage) * people wearing dinosaur costumes (need to correctly classify as pedestrians) and many more. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=Q0nGo2-y0xY From a purely engineering perspective and given what we know about Tesla s current FSD capabilities is it even possible for them to achieve this level of perception and capability with the current sensor suite and software? I want my model 3 to drive itself someday but I also want to be realistic with my expectations. I feel like their decision to offer a Full self driving payed option is misleading at best and false advertising at worst and it would really make a lot of people happier if Tesla was more forthcoming with their FSD timeline and capabilities.. TLDR: Waymo tech talk painted what seemed to me to be an almost insurmountable gap between their FSD capabilities and what Tesla currently has. Is it even possible for Tesla to achieve level 5 FSD given their current hardware and is their decision to offer FSD as a paid option harmful to their image? | raymondftw | 2019-03-04 19:56:52 | 30 | ehsfkwh | I don t know how Waymo is approaching the problem but I d wager they re putting a lot more manual effort into handling the corner cases while Tesla is betting on throwing massive neural nets at the problem with their enormous amount of test data. Very hard to predict which way will get there first. Elon said in a recent (very friendly) interview that they will internally have FSD feature complete by the end of 2019 and then it s a game of 9 s from there on (i.e. going from 99% to 99.9% 99.99% etc.). Which sounds exactly like what the Waymo guy is saying. Except Elon predicted they d have enough 9 s by the end of 2020 to be better than humans I suspect that may be way over-optimistic simply because each additional 9 you add generally means an order of mangitude more testing required. | rabbitwonker | 2019-03-04 20:06:07 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
b9demf | [Discussion] Reason for falling Model S X sales? | I ve been thinking about falling S X sales and most folks seem to believe it s because they re stale. Or technologically behind the 3. I m not sure I agree with these thoughts. I think it s due to the price increase. I m an S owner and you used to be able to buy one starting at $74k cash (before savings). The lowest price for an S NOW is $85k cash and the US tax credit is down by $4k. So these cars are effectively $14k more expensive. The higher price shrinks the total addressable market and would naturally reduce sales. So I think this is really what s going on. Get rid of the 75D and sales fall. There IS a valid question whether there should be price separation between the cheapest S and the highest price 3. While I m not super educated on car market segmentation my conjecture is that S and 3 buyers are different segments. The S buyers want a big car. The 3 is nimble and more affordable. I DO think you d want some overlap and let buyers in that price range choose which benefits are best for them individually. I d think the margins on P3D and low-end S would be pretty similar. BTW - As far as technology goes I don t think the S is behind the 3. Isn t the MCU in the S the same as the 3? Same with AP? So these are comparable. A big difference is the battery cell size and pack. This creates lower $ kWh (for the 3) at the price of cooling (better in S due to smaller cells). Any chemistry changes would go into both cells. So I think this is equivalent too. The motors in the S are older induction vs switched reluctance. So this is one thing that s clearly better in the 3. The S has air suspension. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2019-04-04 14:27:56 | 30 | ek3trye | Part of the problem for the S and X is that their sales were boosted by people who stretched (sometimes a lot) to get them because they were the only Tesla (or Tesla-like: fully electric capable of long-range trips with a high speed charging network Autopilot features) available. My previous car was a Prius. My next car will likely be a Model 3 or a Model Y (in several years). But I bought a Model X because the Model S and the Model X were the only game in town 3 years ago. No way I m spending that type of money on a car if I can get a Model 3 or a Model Y which has the key Tesla features for much cheaper--even if the Model X S is better. So that means that the Model S will start selling only to people actually looking in its market segment (large expensive luxury cars). If you re trying to decide between a S Class a 7 Series and a Model S the Model S is still a very attractive car. But if you re trying to decide between getting a plug-in Prius a Leaf a Model 3 or a Model S... well it s a whole lot more expensive and the Model 3 looks lots better. | CerebralPaladin | 2019-04-04 15:15:18 | 28 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
b9demf | [Discussion] Reason for falling Model S X sales? | I ve been thinking about falling S X sales and most folks seem to believe it s because they re stale. Or technologically behind the 3. I m not sure I agree with these thoughts. I think it s due to the price increase. I m an S owner and you used to be able to buy one starting at $74k cash (before savings). The lowest price for an S NOW is $85k cash and the US tax credit is down by $4k. So these cars are effectively $14k more expensive. The higher price shrinks the total addressable market and would naturally reduce sales. So I think this is really what s going on. Get rid of the 75D and sales fall. There IS a valid question whether there should be price separation between the cheapest S and the highest price 3. While I m not super educated on car market segmentation my conjecture is that S and 3 buyers are different segments. The S buyers want a big car. The 3 is nimble and more affordable. I DO think you d want some overlap and let buyers in that price range choose which benefits are best for them individually. I d think the margins on P3D and low-end S would be pretty similar. BTW - As far as technology goes I don t think the S is behind the 3. Isn t the MCU in the S the same as the 3? Same with AP? So these are comparable. A big difference is the battery cell size and pack. This creates lower $ kWh (for the 3) at the price of cooling (better in S due to smaller cells). Any chemistry changes would go into both cells. So I think this is equivalent too. The motors in the S are older induction vs switched reluctance. So this is one thing that s clearly better in the 3. The S has air suspension. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2019-04-04 14:27:56 | 30 | ek3qctw | I agree with that you say but Tesla needs to create a halo effect on model s x. That s why it needs to keep the price distance otherwise this can affect the branding of all the model S X. This can lead to cannibalizing of even more model s. Mosel S X needs to rebrand their cars to something like Version 2 so people get the perception of their head that their cars are newer than the model 3. | riaKoob1 | 2019-04-04 14:35:35 | 15 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
b9demf | [Discussion] Reason for falling Model S X sales? | I ve been thinking about falling S X sales and most folks seem to believe it s because they re stale. Or technologically behind the 3. I m not sure I agree with these thoughts. I think it s due to the price increase. I m an S owner and you used to be able to buy one starting at $74k cash (before savings). The lowest price for an S NOW is $85k cash and the US tax credit is down by $4k. So these cars are effectively $14k more expensive. The higher price shrinks the total addressable market and would naturally reduce sales. So I think this is really what s going on. Get rid of the 75D and sales fall. There IS a valid question whether there should be price separation between the cheapest S and the highest price 3. While I m not super educated on car market segmentation my conjecture is that S and 3 buyers are different segments. The S buyers want a big car. The 3 is nimble and more affordable. I DO think you d want some overlap and let buyers in that price range choose which benefits are best for them individually. I d think the margins on P3D and low-end S would be pretty similar. BTW - As far as technology goes I don t think the S is behind the 3. Isn t the MCU in the S the same as the 3? Same with AP? So these are comparable. A big difference is the battery cell size and pack. This creates lower $ kWh (for the 3) at the price of cooling (better in S due to smaller cells). Any chemistry changes would go into both cells. So I think this is equivalent too. The motors in the S are older induction vs switched reluctance. So this is one thing that s clearly better in the 3. The S has air suspension. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2019-04-04 14:27:56 | 30 | ek3qbr4 | The interiors on the S and X sure need a refresh | stuckpx | 2019-04-04 14:35:14 | 12 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
b9demf | [Discussion] Reason for falling Model S X sales? | I ve been thinking about falling S X sales and most folks seem to believe it s because they re stale. Or technologically behind the 3. I m not sure I agree with these thoughts. I think it s due to the price increase. I m an S owner and you used to be able to buy one starting at $74k cash (before savings). The lowest price for an S NOW is $85k cash and the US tax credit is down by $4k. So these cars are effectively $14k more expensive. The higher price shrinks the total addressable market and would naturally reduce sales. So I think this is really what s going on. Get rid of the 75D and sales fall. There IS a valid question whether there should be price separation between the cheapest S and the highest price 3. While I m not super educated on car market segmentation my conjecture is that S and 3 buyers are different segments. The S buyers want a big car. The 3 is nimble and more affordable. I DO think you d want some overlap and let buyers in that price range choose which benefits are best for them individually. I d think the margins on P3D and low-end S would be pretty similar. BTW - As far as technology goes I don t think the S is behind the 3. Isn t the MCU in the S the same as the 3? Same with AP? So these are comparable. A big difference is the battery cell size and pack. This creates lower $ kWh (for the 3) at the price of cooling (better in S due to smaller cells). Any chemistry changes would go into both cells. So I think this is equivalent too. The motors in the S are older induction vs switched reluctance. So this is one thing that s clearly better in the 3. The S has air suspension. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2019-04-04 14:27:56 | 30 | ek3sf5q | S X are stale technology at this point. It s not even clear if when they will get the [v3 supercharging upgrade.](https: insideevs.com video-tesla-supercharging-v3-model-3-only ) There is a pretty limited market for people who are paying $80k+ for a car especially one that hasn t been refreshed lately. Tesla should be able to do better. | CedarStBlues | 2019-04-04 14:59:31 | 11 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
b9demf | [Discussion] Reason for falling Model S X sales? | I ve been thinking about falling S X sales and most folks seem to believe it s because they re stale. Or technologically behind the 3. I m not sure I agree with these thoughts. I think it s due to the price increase. I m an S owner and you used to be able to buy one starting at $74k cash (before savings). The lowest price for an S NOW is $85k cash and the US tax credit is down by $4k. So these cars are effectively $14k more expensive. The higher price shrinks the total addressable market and would naturally reduce sales. So I think this is really what s going on. Get rid of the 75D and sales fall. There IS a valid question whether there should be price separation between the cheapest S and the highest price 3. While I m not super educated on car market segmentation my conjecture is that S and 3 buyers are different segments. The S buyers want a big car. The 3 is nimble and more affordable. I DO think you d want some overlap and let buyers in that price range choose which benefits are best for them individually. I d think the margins on P3D and low-end S would be pretty similar. BTW - As far as technology goes I don t think the S is behind the 3. Isn t the MCU in the S the same as the 3? Same with AP? So these are comparable. A big difference is the battery cell size and pack. This creates lower $ kWh (for the 3) at the price of cooling (better in S due to smaller cells). Any chemistry changes would go into both cells. So I think this is equivalent too. The motors in the S are older induction vs switched reluctance. So this is one thing that s clearly better in the 3. The S has air suspension. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2019-04-04 14:27:56 | 30 | ek3qkt8 | First and foremost Tesla needs to change out at least one motor on the Model S to be a switched reluctance motor and have the same level of power electronics as the Model 3. This alone would bring a 20-30 mile range increase. Then if they up the cable from the charge port to the battery higher speeds can be achieved (though limited at times by the battery temp regulation). These changes can be done without huge cost in fact the motor might save Tesla money. | droptablestaroops | 2019-04-04 14:38:12 | 8 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
b9demf | [Discussion] Reason for falling Model S X sales? | I ve been thinking about falling S X sales and most folks seem to believe it s because they re stale. Or technologically behind the 3. I m not sure I agree with these thoughts. I think it s due to the price increase. I m an S owner and you used to be able to buy one starting at $74k cash (before savings). The lowest price for an S NOW is $85k cash and the US tax credit is down by $4k. So these cars are effectively $14k more expensive. The higher price shrinks the total addressable market and would naturally reduce sales. So I think this is really what s going on. Get rid of the 75D and sales fall. There IS a valid question whether there should be price separation between the cheapest S and the highest price 3. While I m not super educated on car market segmentation my conjecture is that S and 3 buyers are different segments. The S buyers want a big car. The 3 is nimble and more affordable. I DO think you d want some overlap and let buyers in that price range choose which benefits are best for them individually. I d think the margins on P3D and low-end S would be pretty similar. BTW - As far as technology goes I don t think the S is behind the 3. Isn t the MCU in the S the same as the 3? Same with AP? So these are comparable. A big difference is the battery cell size and pack. This creates lower $ kWh (for the 3) at the price of cooling (better in S due to smaller cells). Any chemistry changes would go into both cells. So I think this is equivalent too. The motors in the S are older induction vs switched reluctance. So this is one thing that s clearly better in the 3. The S has air suspension. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2019-04-04 14:27:56 | 30 | ek3tb0q | Model S X technically inferior to Model 3 - 1. Charge rate for V3 and beyond 2. Tesla leaving out most new features for older HW2.0 and concentrating on HW2.5 makes them wait for HW3.0(FSD Computer) (this has been confirmed to be in production only last week) 3. All new features are released first to Model 3(Sentry Dashcam Enhanced Summon etc. ) 4. Some customers expecting an interior exterior refresh not just the HW3.0 | c0smicdirt | 2019-04-04 15:09:54 | 5 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
b9demf | [Discussion] Reason for falling Model S X sales? | I ve been thinking about falling S X sales and most folks seem to believe it s because they re stale. Or technologically behind the 3. I m not sure I agree with these thoughts. I think it s due to the price increase. I m an S owner and you used to be able to buy one starting at $74k cash (before savings). The lowest price for an S NOW is $85k cash and the US tax credit is down by $4k. So these cars are effectively $14k more expensive. The higher price shrinks the total addressable market and would naturally reduce sales. So I think this is really what s going on. Get rid of the 75D and sales fall. There IS a valid question whether there should be price separation between the cheapest S and the highest price 3. While I m not super educated on car market segmentation my conjecture is that S and 3 buyers are different segments. The S buyers want a big car. The 3 is nimble and more affordable. I DO think you d want some overlap and let buyers in that price range choose which benefits are best for them individually. I d think the margins on P3D and low-end S would be pretty similar. BTW - As far as technology goes I don t think the S is behind the 3. Isn t the MCU in the S the same as the 3? Same with AP? So these are comparable. A big difference is the battery cell size and pack. This creates lower $ kWh (for the 3) at the price of cooling (better in S due to smaller cells). Any chemistry changes would go into both cells. So I think this is equivalent too. The motors in the S are older induction vs switched reluctance. So this is one thing that s clearly better in the 3. The S has air suspension. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2019-04-04 14:27:56 | 30 | ek3wna5 | > BTW - As far as technology goes I don t think the S is behind the 3. Model 3 got Supercharger V3 and Model S X don t have it. This was a pretty big one for my father who does a lot of road trips. His lease ended on his Model S and he ordered a Model 3 because of Supercharger V3. | Eloquent_Cantaloupe | 2019-04-04 15:47:21 | 5 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
b9demf | [Discussion] Reason for falling Model S X sales? | I ve been thinking about falling S X sales and most folks seem to believe it s because they re stale. Or technologically behind the 3. I m not sure I agree with these thoughts. I think it s due to the price increase. I m an S owner and you used to be able to buy one starting at $74k cash (before savings). The lowest price for an S NOW is $85k cash and the US tax credit is down by $4k. So these cars are effectively $14k more expensive. The higher price shrinks the total addressable market and would naturally reduce sales. So I think this is really what s going on. Get rid of the 75D and sales fall. There IS a valid question whether there should be price separation between the cheapest S and the highest price 3. While I m not super educated on car market segmentation my conjecture is that S and 3 buyers are different segments. The S buyers want a big car. The 3 is nimble and more affordable. I DO think you d want some overlap and let buyers in that price range choose which benefits are best for them individually. I d think the margins on P3D and low-end S would be pretty similar. BTW - As far as technology goes I don t think the S is behind the 3. Isn t the MCU in the S the same as the 3? Same with AP? So these are comparable. A big difference is the battery cell size and pack. This creates lower $ kWh (for the 3) at the price of cooling (better in S due to smaller cells). Any chemistry changes would go into both cells. So I think this is equivalent too. The motors in the S are older induction vs switched reluctance. So this is one thing that s clearly better in the 3. The S has air suspension. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2019-04-04 14:27:56 | 30 | ek4a7dz | My thoughts: \-A lot of people bought in Q4 18 for the full tax credit \-People are waiting on a new S X \-The Roadster is coming \-The Model Y is coming \-The Model 3 is selling well \-Sales are down industry-wide | dcdttu | 2019-04-04 18:15:20 | 5 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
7pj1xv | [Discussion] Reasonable to expect Standard Battery Model 3 and full tax credit? | Hello all I am a day 1 waited-in-line 10:05 AM 3 31 16 Model 3 reservation holder in Florida. Unfortunately I am not a Tesla employee or current Tesla owner. I have selected the Standard battery range $35k model and my estimated delivery says Early 2018 (used to say Jan-March 2018 a couple months ago). I ve been following the news closely and it seems the general consensus is the full federal tax credit will be maxed out in Q2 of this year. I believe the way it works is once they sell their 200 000th car in the USA all cars received in that quarter **and the next quarter** are eligible for the full $7 500 tax credit. I know no one knows for sure but is it reasonable to expect to receive a standard battery Model 3 by the time this credit runs out? | Gern8 | 2018-01-10 21:49:14 | 18 | dshqlf7 | I think there are good odds. If they hit their projections and ramp up in a linear fashion and assuming they sold 161k vehicles in the US as of Jan 1... https: imgur.com gallery LvXLj ...then they ll have shipped 138 000 Model 3s before the tax credit expires. There were 232 000 Model 3 reservations by 7pm 4 1. So it really depends on how many Model 3s go to the US and what percentage of those 232k are in the US. | im_thatoneguy | 2018-01-10 22:58:24 | 5 | EV Tax Credit Impact |
7yf5d1 | [Discussion] Recommendations for NEMA 14-50 outlet wall height | I m wondering what your recommendations are for the height at which to install a NEMA 14-50 outlet inside a garage. I plan on using the mobile changer and leaving it plugged in 99% of the time. I want to leave ample room for the cable to hang (over to a side hook) without touching the ground. I spoke with Tesla support and they provided no official recommendation. Thanks for your input! | TTasteIt_ItBurns | 2018-02-18 16:09:28 | 24 | dug3kom | Your local electrical code will have a minimum height off the ground. Look into that. I put my EVSE on the wall first at my preferred location drapped the power cable naturally and put the nema box where the cable ended. | _ohm_my | 2018-02-18 16:44:09 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7yf5d1 | [Discussion] Recommendations for NEMA 14-50 outlet wall height | I m wondering what your recommendations are for the height at which to install a NEMA 14-50 outlet inside a garage. I plan on using the mobile changer and leaving it plugged in 99% of the time. I want to leave ample room for the cable to hang (over to a side hook) without touching the ground. I spoke with Tesla support and they provided no official recommendation. Thanks for your input! | TTasteIt_ItBurns | 2018-02-18 16:09:28 | 24 | dug7vg6 | 4ft is where mine is. The adapter and squid hang another foot lower with a hook supporting the weight. Then I have a hook 1ft above the outlet to loop the cable over. Perfect height for me. | glynnjamin | 2018-02-18 17:45:48 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee1vhuy | Had a friend call Tesla to add my referral code to the order he had just placed the previous weekend at the showroom and they told him his order already had a code applied. His sales person told him he had applied the code of one of his other customers for him and now too late to change it. Sales person acted like he had done a big favor. | Paper-Rocket | 2019-01-14 15:35:20 | 28 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee1yms3 | This absolutely happens. I had two suspected losses and a third that my referred buyer caught the salesperson substituting a different code-- I was on FB chat with her and convinced her to press the issue which was quite awkward and a horrible position for both of us. The program has a lot of issues. | TeslaPittsburgh | 2019-01-14 16:16:11 | 23 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee1z3rp | I should be up to 5 now. I have 2. The two are people who reached out directly. The remaining 3 were friends who provided my code to Tesla. Completely think this happened now never thought of a nefarious actor though. Sucks to be honest and I emailed [email protected]. Doubt anything can be done but I wouldn t be surprise if those folks who do this are taking advantage of the perks. | 110110 | 2019-01-14 16:22:09 | 18 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee2mniq | Tesla should reach out to all buyers and thank them for using xxxxx as their referer so they can deny inaccuracies. This will help flag all the people who committed this fraud and save Tesla millions of dollars in roadster payout | tophoos | 2019-01-14 20:59:02 | 15 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee1whdr | When you are potentially handing out free cars someone will always try to exploit the system. This is why you cannot have nice things. | Jarnis | 2019-01-14 15:48:26 | 14 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee2p5hq | Based on this thread it seems to be a widescale thing. Maybe tweet dm a link to this thread to Elon now that there s a lot of people claiming the same problem? | EverythingIsNorminal | 2019-01-14 21:27:10 | 13 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee2atrh | This is currently happening with me. My friend used my referral via phone yet now the order has someone else s code in it. Very frustrating. | aquadood | 2019-01-14 18:45:11 | 12 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee2gb5e | I bought my tesla x trough friends referral link but when I went for my test drive the sales person tried to switch it to I different link which still gave me the discount but left my friend hanging. I caught up to it on the spot and advised the sales person that i need to “sleep on” before putting the order. Instead I went home and used my friends link to order myself. Lesson learned: car salesman is a car salesmen no matter where you buy. Tricky tricky | marconi- | 2019-01-14 19:49:03 | 11 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee2ollj | They did it to me as well. Someone looked at Salesforce and told me who set it. I confronted the person and he changed it within 24 hours. | jjwardSD | 2019-01-14 21:20:41 | 10 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee1xlry | Yeah this never happens if you follow the link. They need to disallow codes to be added after the fact and it would eliminate this. | dinozero | 2019-01-14 16:03:00 | 8 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee2204v | Happened to my uncle. Ordered a 3 and used my code and nothing ever showed up. When I was getting my S a few years ago the showroom staff used some persons referral code before I made them use the one I wanted to use. Sketchy. | ohthehumans | 2019-01-14 16:58:28 | 8 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
afwtak | [Discussion] Referral Link Fraud by Tesla Sales | Hey r teslamotors it appears that one of my friends who ordered and received their awesome Model 3 had my referral link substituted out for another person. He had let me know he was ordering his car early december and directed him to use a referral as it obviously bonuses the both of us. Win win right? Well when he called up and verbally told them the code over the phone it was substituted out for another. At first we thought maybe the code was entered incorrectly but when they sent him the code used over mine it was for what appears to be a women. What we think happened is the sales advisor used a friends co-workers referral link instead of mine. Has anyone ever been part of this type of fraud or scam by Tesla? I hope this can get resolved by Tesla as it may be part of a larger scam campaign for someone to milk the system into receiving free items benefits as part of the program. I can share the referral that was used instead of mine by DM as I d like to not support their link. EDIT: We have both been communicating with support (Tesla Referral Program and the main Support e-mail) after 2-3 weeks of not getting responses. I escalated for Executive Review via the support form and of course we received an answer. They are not being helpful in getting this resolved as it appears this could be permanent and there isn t any way for them to resolve this type of activity. I am hoping this isn t part of a larger scheme by employees. | tvjust | 2019-01-14 15:24:08 | 61 | ee1voac | I don t know if it was fraud or a mistake but this happened to me as well. When I complained they used my referral code on a different order so I still got a valid referral out of it. | torndar | 2019-01-14 15:37:46 | 5 | Issues with Tesla Referral Program |
7x17bt | [Discussion] Regarding laws preventing manufacture direct selling: Why should states repeal these laws and open a Pandora s Box ? | I apologize if the title of the post seem inflammatory as I don t really know how to title it correctly given my current question discussion. Let me begin: I was recently speaking with family about laws policies etc. and the conversation directed towards laws that make you go uhh what to oversimplify it. Naturally I brought up the laws that prevent Tesla from selling directly to consumer. My argument was basically this: > Tesla have identified a model that works for them meaning direct-to-consumer but local dealerships have cornered the politicians to dis-allow this from happening. These rules need to be repealed because it prevents Tesla from using a model that has worked for them in favor of what has always worked Disclaimer: I have a strong bias for challenging the status quo because due to my experience with the military this is the way it s always been done has never been a valid defense for any argument. Therefore I understand that not everyone agrees with my challenge the status quo opinion. My dad s argument was basically this: > I m not against Tesla selling directly to consumers but I believe if we allow Tesla to sell directly to consumers it will open a Pandora s box that could hurt an entire industry an industry that is very very large. His argument revolves around the idea that if Tesla is allowed to sell directly to consumers nation wide other manufacturers might want to do the same which would therefore destroy the current model and put millions of people out of a job business. I think this is an interesting take against Tesla selling directly to consumer and I m not really sure how to argue against this without admitting that jobs can be lost at first. I don t agree with this idea at all because you re basically arguing that Tesla shouldn t be allowed to use a sale s model (that works for them) due to the possibility of something bad happening. What are people s thoughts about this? I think this sub would most likely agree about whether Tesla should be allowed to sell directly to consumers but I m just wondering how people would counter-argue the point my dad made above. | Ragnar_Targaryen | 2018-02-12 14:49:56 | 28 | du4qxt0 | As an owner I have experienced both the sales side and the maintenance side of the equation. There is an interesting trade off. The sales side was great and it s pretty easy to understand the advantages and much ink has been spilled discussing this. On the ownership maintenance side there are some significant downsides to a fully manufacturer owned model. This model allows the manufacturer to keep tight control over their parts and maintenance data as well as service costs rates. As has been discussed the service plans from Tesla are *expensive* and there s no competition. There can t even be competition because Tesla refuses to even disclose torque specs for the vehicles. So you re trapped into using Tesla service. With other makes there are generally independent shops because they can get the data just like a dealer can. When a manufacturer has franchises they have to distribute and disclose how to repair the cars. They can t build their model on secrecy. Tesla very actively wants secrecy as seen by the fact that you can only get maintenance manuals in the only state with a law that requires it. They have all the infrastructure to give them to owners and then added infrastructure to make sure you can only buy them in MA. That tells you all you need to know about Tesla and their maintenance attitude. I d assume that when you start as a mechanic at Tesla you sign an NDA unlike other dealers. Finally Tesla won t even sell you parts unless you can prove you own *that* car. Go to any other dealer and they ask you for a VIN in order to make sure they are selling you the right part. Go to Tesla and they check your account for the VIN and if that part wasn t originally on the car you bought they won t sell it to you at all. I d say if states currently block Tesla but are changing that they should also add a right-to-repair law to the books at the same time so that owners actually have some competition when it comes to the next 15 years of ownership not just thinking about the 1 day when the sale occurs. | beastpilot | 2018-02-12 15:58:41 | 47 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7x17bt | [Discussion] Regarding laws preventing manufacture direct selling: Why should states repeal these laws and open a Pandora s Box ? | I apologize if the title of the post seem inflammatory as I don t really know how to title it correctly given my current question discussion. Let me begin: I was recently speaking with family about laws policies etc. and the conversation directed towards laws that make you go uhh what to oversimplify it. Naturally I brought up the laws that prevent Tesla from selling directly to consumer. My argument was basically this: > Tesla have identified a model that works for them meaning direct-to-consumer but local dealerships have cornered the politicians to dis-allow this from happening. These rules need to be repealed because it prevents Tesla from using a model that has worked for them in favor of what has always worked Disclaimer: I have a strong bias for challenging the status quo because due to my experience with the military this is the way it s always been done has never been a valid defense for any argument. Therefore I understand that not everyone agrees with my challenge the status quo opinion. My dad s argument was basically this: > I m not against Tesla selling directly to consumers but I believe if we allow Tesla to sell directly to consumers it will open a Pandora s box that could hurt an entire industry an industry that is very very large. His argument revolves around the idea that if Tesla is allowed to sell directly to consumers nation wide other manufacturers might want to do the same which would therefore destroy the current model and put millions of people out of a job business. I think this is an interesting take against Tesla selling directly to consumer and I m not really sure how to argue against this without admitting that jobs can be lost at first. I don t agree with this idea at all because you re basically arguing that Tesla shouldn t be allowed to use a sale s model (that works for them) due to the possibility of something bad happening. What are people s thoughts about this? I think this sub would most likely agree about whether Tesla should be allowed to sell directly to consumers but I m just wondering how people would counter-argue the point my dad made above. | Ragnar_Targaryen | 2018-02-12 14:49:56 | 28 | du4oc05 | How would this put millions of people out of a job? If the locally owned Ford dealer is put out of business by the Ford owned Ford dealer how does this new store operate without people? | gleep6991 | 2018-02-12 15:13:04 | 39 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7x17bt | [Discussion] Regarding laws preventing manufacture direct selling: Why should states repeal these laws and open a Pandora s Box ? | I apologize if the title of the post seem inflammatory as I don t really know how to title it correctly given my current question discussion. Let me begin: I was recently speaking with family about laws policies etc. and the conversation directed towards laws that make you go uhh what to oversimplify it. Naturally I brought up the laws that prevent Tesla from selling directly to consumer. My argument was basically this: > Tesla have identified a model that works for them meaning direct-to-consumer but local dealerships have cornered the politicians to dis-allow this from happening. These rules need to be repealed because it prevents Tesla from using a model that has worked for them in favor of what has always worked Disclaimer: I have a strong bias for challenging the status quo because due to my experience with the military this is the way it s always been done has never been a valid defense for any argument. Therefore I understand that not everyone agrees with my challenge the status quo opinion. My dad s argument was basically this: > I m not against Tesla selling directly to consumers but I believe if we allow Tesla to sell directly to consumers it will open a Pandora s box that could hurt an entire industry an industry that is very very large. His argument revolves around the idea that if Tesla is allowed to sell directly to consumers nation wide other manufacturers might want to do the same which would therefore destroy the current model and put millions of people out of a job business. I think this is an interesting take against Tesla selling directly to consumer and I m not really sure how to argue against this without admitting that jobs can be lost at first. I don t agree with this idea at all because you re basically arguing that Tesla shouldn t be allowed to use a sale s model (that works for them) due to the possibility of something bad happening. What are people s thoughts about this? I think this sub would most likely agree about whether Tesla should be allowed to sell directly to consumers but I m just wondering how people would counter-argue the point my dad made above. | Ragnar_Targaryen | 2018-02-12 14:49:56 | 28 | du4njnh | I think car companies that went with the dealership model should have to stick it out but new ones shouldn t. It s basically a contract issue. You dealers took on all the risk early that allowed us to be where we are so we shouldn t be allowed to just pull the ladder up now that we re up here because of it. But Tesla made no such deals. No one invested 10 million and 2 generations of marketable skills into a Tesla dealership. I get protecting the model where the model is but it doesn t make a lick of sense to just do it by industry. If that undoes the industry then so be it. It was obviously pretty shitty then. | vita10gy | 2018-02-12 14:58:04 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7x17bt | [Discussion] Regarding laws preventing manufacture direct selling: Why should states repeal these laws and open a Pandora s Box ? | I apologize if the title of the post seem inflammatory as I don t really know how to title it correctly given my current question discussion. Let me begin: I was recently speaking with family about laws policies etc. and the conversation directed towards laws that make you go uhh what to oversimplify it. Naturally I brought up the laws that prevent Tesla from selling directly to consumer. My argument was basically this: > Tesla have identified a model that works for them meaning direct-to-consumer but local dealerships have cornered the politicians to dis-allow this from happening. These rules need to be repealed because it prevents Tesla from using a model that has worked for them in favor of what has always worked Disclaimer: I have a strong bias for challenging the status quo because due to my experience with the military this is the way it s always been done has never been a valid defense for any argument. Therefore I understand that not everyone agrees with my challenge the status quo opinion. My dad s argument was basically this: > I m not against Tesla selling directly to consumers but I believe if we allow Tesla to sell directly to consumers it will open a Pandora s box that could hurt an entire industry an industry that is very very large. His argument revolves around the idea that if Tesla is allowed to sell directly to consumers nation wide other manufacturers might want to do the same which would therefore destroy the current model and put millions of people out of a job business. I think this is an interesting take against Tesla selling directly to consumer and I m not really sure how to argue against this without admitting that jobs can be lost at first. I don t agree with this idea at all because you re basically arguing that Tesla shouldn t be allowed to use a sale s model (that works for them) due to the possibility of something bad happening. What are people s thoughts about this? I think this sub would most likely agree about whether Tesla should be allowed to sell directly to consumers but I m just wondering how people would counter-argue the point my dad made above. | Ragnar_Targaryen | 2018-02-12 14:49:56 | 28 | du4pu0v | > These rules need to be repealed because it prevents Tesla from using a model that has worked for them in favor of what has always worked I disagree that the current model works at all. Dealerships are middlemen that mark up the price from the manufacture when selling to the customer so they can benefit. This inflates car prices. Dealerships also often do not know as much about the cars as the manufacturers. Dealerships mark up repairs and suggest unnecessary ones in order to generate more profit only because they think they know how often you need x fluid changed. The designers of the car will always know more. As to your dad s point: Tesla s entrance into direct sales has not eliminated or ruined the sales dealership model in any state where they are allowed. However if other manufactures were to take advantage of it the consumer would only benefit and as others have pointed out the employees don t just laid off they would be rehired by the manufacturer. | Athabascad | 2018-02-12 15:40:14 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7x17bt | [Discussion] Regarding laws preventing manufacture direct selling: Why should states repeal these laws and open a Pandora s Box ? | I apologize if the title of the post seem inflammatory as I don t really know how to title it correctly given my current question discussion. Let me begin: I was recently speaking with family about laws policies etc. and the conversation directed towards laws that make you go uhh what to oversimplify it. Naturally I brought up the laws that prevent Tesla from selling directly to consumer. My argument was basically this: > Tesla have identified a model that works for them meaning direct-to-consumer but local dealerships have cornered the politicians to dis-allow this from happening. These rules need to be repealed because it prevents Tesla from using a model that has worked for them in favor of what has always worked Disclaimer: I have a strong bias for challenging the status quo because due to my experience with the military this is the way it s always been done has never been a valid defense for any argument. Therefore I understand that not everyone agrees with my challenge the status quo opinion. My dad s argument was basically this: > I m not against Tesla selling directly to consumers but I believe if we allow Tesla to sell directly to consumers it will open a Pandora s box that could hurt an entire industry an industry that is very very large. His argument revolves around the idea that if Tesla is allowed to sell directly to consumers nation wide other manufacturers might want to do the same which would therefore destroy the current model and put millions of people out of a job business. I think this is an interesting take against Tesla selling directly to consumer and I m not really sure how to argue against this without admitting that jobs can be lost at first. I don t agree with this idea at all because you re basically arguing that Tesla shouldn t be allowed to use a sale s model (that works for them) due to the possibility of something bad happening. What are people s thoughts about this? I think this sub would most likely agree about whether Tesla should be allowed to sell directly to consumers but I m just wondering how people would counter-argue the point my dad made above. | Ragnar_Targaryen | 2018-02-12 14:49:56 | 28 | du4oeez | Having the industry continue to exist just to exist makes no sense. We have a model where dealers make massive amounts of profits on sales and service and not really doing much in my opinion. Sales people can find or sales jobs and mechanics will still fix cars. I don t need to support an industry where some rich person owns all the dealers in an area and acts like the little guy. | feurie | 2018-02-12 15:14:19 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7x17bt | [Discussion] Regarding laws preventing manufacture direct selling: Why should states repeal these laws and open a Pandora s Box ? | I apologize if the title of the post seem inflammatory as I don t really know how to title it correctly given my current question discussion. Let me begin: I was recently speaking with family about laws policies etc. and the conversation directed towards laws that make you go uhh what to oversimplify it. Naturally I brought up the laws that prevent Tesla from selling directly to consumer. My argument was basically this: > Tesla have identified a model that works for them meaning direct-to-consumer but local dealerships have cornered the politicians to dis-allow this from happening. These rules need to be repealed because it prevents Tesla from using a model that has worked for them in favor of what has always worked Disclaimer: I have a strong bias for challenging the status quo because due to my experience with the military this is the way it s always been done has never been a valid defense for any argument. Therefore I understand that not everyone agrees with my challenge the status quo opinion. My dad s argument was basically this: > I m not against Tesla selling directly to consumers but I believe if we allow Tesla to sell directly to consumers it will open a Pandora s box that could hurt an entire industry an industry that is very very large. His argument revolves around the idea that if Tesla is allowed to sell directly to consumers nation wide other manufacturers might want to do the same which would therefore destroy the current model and put millions of people out of a job business. I think this is an interesting take against Tesla selling directly to consumer and I m not really sure how to argue against this without admitting that jobs can be lost at first. I don t agree with this idea at all because you re basically arguing that Tesla shouldn t be allowed to use a sale s model (that works for them) due to the possibility of something bad happening. What are people s thoughts about this? I think this sub would most likely agree about whether Tesla should be allowed to sell directly to consumers but I m just wondering how people would counter-argue the point my dad made above. | Ragnar_Targaryen | 2018-02-12 14:49:56 | 28 | du4o605 | If those franchise dealerships started shutting down due to direct to consumer sales then those employees would probably end up working at the manufacturers stores. They still need sales people to sway consumers to buy their products. They still need mechanics to fix their vehicles. There may be some loss of jobs but it s like any industry when the model shifts (maybe like Uber Lyft vs taxis?) | therealbum | 2018-02-12 15:09:55 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7x17bt | [Discussion] Regarding laws preventing manufacture direct selling: Why should states repeal these laws and open a Pandora s Box ? | I apologize if the title of the post seem inflammatory as I don t really know how to title it correctly given my current question discussion. Let me begin: I was recently speaking with family about laws policies etc. and the conversation directed towards laws that make you go uhh what to oversimplify it. Naturally I brought up the laws that prevent Tesla from selling directly to consumer. My argument was basically this: > Tesla have identified a model that works for them meaning direct-to-consumer but local dealerships have cornered the politicians to dis-allow this from happening. These rules need to be repealed because it prevents Tesla from using a model that has worked for them in favor of what has always worked Disclaimer: I have a strong bias for challenging the status quo because due to my experience with the military this is the way it s always been done has never been a valid defense for any argument. Therefore I understand that not everyone agrees with my challenge the status quo opinion. My dad s argument was basically this: > I m not against Tesla selling directly to consumers but I believe if we allow Tesla to sell directly to consumers it will open a Pandora s box that could hurt an entire industry an industry that is very very large. His argument revolves around the idea that if Tesla is allowed to sell directly to consumers nation wide other manufacturers might want to do the same which would therefore destroy the current model and put millions of people out of a job business. I think this is an interesting take against Tesla selling directly to consumer and I m not really sure how to argue against this without admitting that jobs can be lost at first. I don t agree with this idea at all because you re basically arguing that Tesla shouldn t be allowed to use a sale s model (that works for them) due to the possibility of something bad happening. What are people s thoughts about this? I think this sub would most likely agree about whether Tesla should be allowed to sell directly to consumers but I m just wondering how people would counter-argue the point my dad made above. | Ragnar_Targaryen | 2018-02-12 14:49:56 | 28 | du4vsw7 | Creating jobs for their own sake is communist and communism does not work well on the long term. The free market gets to decide which jobs are relevant not a legislature. | MarkXal | 2018-02-12 17:17:36 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7x17bt | [Discussion] Regarding laws preventing manufacture direct selling: Why should states repeal these laws and open a Pandora s Box ? | I apologize if the title of the post seem inflammatory as I don t really know how to title it correctly given my current question discussion. Let me begin: I was recently speaking with family about laws policies etc. and the conversation directed towards laws that make you go uhh what to oversimplify it. Naturally I brought up the laws that prevent Tesla from selling directly to consumer. My argument was basically this: > Tesla have identified a model that works for them meaning direct-to-consumer but local dealerships have cornered the politicians to dis-allow this from happening. These rules need to be repealed because it prevents Tesla from using a model that has worked for them in favor of what has always worked Disclaimer: I have a strong bias for challenging the status quo because due to my experience with the military this is the way it s always been done has never been a valid defense for any argument. Therefore I understand that not everyone agrees with my challenge the status quo opinion. My dad s argument was basically this: > I m not against Tesla selling directly to consumers but I believe if we allow Tesla to sell directly to consumers it will open a Pandora s box that could hurt an entire industry an industry that is very very large. His argument revolves around the idea that if Tesla is allowed to sell directly to consumers nation wide other manufacturers might want to do the same which would therefore destroy the current model and put millions of people out of a job business. I think this is an interesting take against Tesla selling directly to consumer and I m not really sure how to argue against this without admitting that jobs can be lost at first. I don t agree with this idea at all because you re basically arguing that Tesla shouldn t be allowed to use a sale s model (that works for them) due to the possibility of something bad happening. What are people s thoughts about this? I think this sub would most likely agree about whether Tesla should be allowed to sell directly to consumers but I m just wondering how people would counter-argue the point my dad made above. | Ragnar_Targaryen | 2018-02-12 14:49:56 | 28 | du4t56x | If it really did turn millions of people out of work that means the current system is massively wasteful and *should* be dismantled. You d want to do so carefully to avoid excessively harming people during the transition but letting such waste persist is terrible. | mikeash | 2018-02-12 16:35:17 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7x17bt | [Discussion] Regarding laws preventing manufacture direct selling: Why should states repeal these laws and open a Pandora s Box ? | I apologize if the title of the post seem inflammatory as I don t really know how to title it correctly given my current question discussion. Let me begin: I was recently speaking with family about laws policies etc. and the conversation directed towards laws that make you go uhh what to oversimplify it. Naturally I brought up the laws that prevent Tesla from selling directly to consumer. My argument was basically this: > Tesla have identified a model that works for them meaning direct-to-consumer but local dealerships have cornered the politicians to dis-allow this from happening. These rules need to be repealed because it prevents Tesla from using a model that has worked for them in favor of what has always worked Disclaimer: I have a strong bias for challenging the status quo because due to my experience with the military this is the way it s always been done has never been a valid defense for any argument. Therefore I understand that not everyone agrees with my challenge the status quo opinion. My dad s argument was basically this: > I m not against Tesla selling directly to consumers but I believe if we allow Tesla to sell directly to consumers it will open a Pandora s box that could hurt an entire industry an industry that is very very large. His argument revolves around the idea that if Tesla is allowed to sell directly to consumers nation wide other manufacturers might want to do the same which would therefore destroy the current model and put millions of people out of a job business. I think this is an interesting take against Tesla selling directly to consumer and I m not really sure how to argue against this without admitting that jobs can be lost at first. I don t agree with this idea at all because you re basically arguing that Tesla shouldn t be allowed to use a sale s model (that works for them) due to the possibility of something bad happening. What are people s thoughts about this? I think this sub would most likely agree about whether Tesla should be allowed to sell directly to consumers but I m just wondering how people would counter-argue the point my dad made above. | Ragnar_Targaryen | 2018-02-12 14:49:56 | 28 | du59eqz | I can buy a phone many places from any manufacturer. Why cant I buy a car a walmart? Why can t I buy a Tesla from Tesla everywhere? Why are dealers protected? Dealers are known to scam people lie mislead people etc. Why do we ignore that this happens? To give them jobs? We are paying more to have dealers. How are consumers not protected without a dealer? Are we unprotected from manufacturers on all non-car purchases? No! They are unnecessary. They are the horse & Buggy salesman of today. Adapt or die. | Eriamjh1138 | 2018-02-12 20:51:51 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
89jjxy | [Discussion] Regarding phone key - doors unlock when you pull the handle | Is the ‘walk-up unlock when near the car feature gone now? It looks like it requires the handle pull first is this correct? I don t mind it because it seems more consistent. Before the walk up unlock didn t always work. Something to do with Bluetooth going dormant. I wonder if there s something to the handle pulling action that wakes up the connected phone s Bluetooth and makes the proper handshake. So far handle pull seems to wake up the Bluetooth device quickly. | TeslaDataIsBeautiful | 2018-04-03 22:42:26 | 16 | dwrhsml | Is there a setting for walk away lock? | TeslaDataIsBeautiful | 2018-04-04 00:03:22 | 5 | Tesla phone key functionality |
a61pcs | [Discussion] Regen vs Neutral for max range | I have been reading a lot about whether or not you should be using neutral or normal regen (especially when going downhill) for max range on your vehicle. I m curious what scenarios you use each one. On the freeway when I hit a downhill I find neutral to be effective but when driving down a mountain I typically find my battery to go up by the time I m at the bottom. How exactly do you know when to use each mode? | pussydissapointer | 2018-12-14 05:03:29 | 14 | ebrjfdb | If we don t get side-stepped in arguments about whether switching to neutral is safe whether it s easily accessible to do and whether it s good or bad for the vehicle the answer is unequivocal that a coasting car is more efficient than one that is regenerating energy with regard to continually moving across distances. & #x200B Fact #1: Regen can only recover about 70% of the vehicle s momentum as energy. That is a MAXIMUM. There are other issues such as how much energy the regenerating motor can store in a given moment. Most of us know by now that in moderately cold weather regen gets automatically reduced because of how low temperatures affect the ability of the battery to take on a charge. & #x200B Fact #2: Down hill speed acts as an inertial buffer for uphill momentum. When you accelerate going down a hill you are getting a free gravity assist. That extra inertia if you allow the vehicle to coast up a corresponding hill will bleed off and return close to where you were before you gravity assisted at an energy cost much lower than if you maintained a constant speed going uphill. This is what hyper-milers tend to do and the results are clearly evidenced by anyone with a realtime MPG gauge. & #x200B Fact #2B: Barring any corresponding hills the car can bleed the gravity assist via typical air resistance and road friction. It will carry the car farther having used less energy than what the regen motor could have recouperated. & #x200B So what is regen good for if coasting is superior? Simple. Regen is a method for capturing energy that you can t immediately use. Braking due to traffic conditions stop signs lights hills too steep to coast down etc. & #x200B & #x200B | manbearpyg | 2018-12-14 12:58:16 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
a61pcs | [Discussion] Regen vs Neutral for max range | I have been reading a lot about whether or not you should be using neutral or normal regen (especially when going downhill) for max range on your vehicle. I m curious what scenarios you use each one. On the freeway when I hit a downhill I find neutral to be effective but when driving down a mountain I typically find my battery to go up by the time I m at the bottom. How exactly do you know when to use each mode? | pussydissapointer | 2018-12-14 05:03:29 | 14 | ebr7y76 | My two cents. So neutral never. Regen standard always... Except when driving manually (no TACC or EAP) on highways. This way you can batter manage the distance and speed manually and not regen (and then reaccelerate) Which wastes energy for no good reason. The best speed is the one you can maintain. For mountain driving full regen is a no brainer up to enjoy and save your brakes down to save your brakes and get a significant input in range. When going down if traffic allows go on Chill acceleration try to maintain speed constant but low to minimize air losses (enjoy the view!) and regen earlier than normal as it takes more distance to slow you down when gravity pulls you. If you can avoid brakes altogether good job. Otherwise watch your range stay still or even go up by 5km jumps every now and then. | TheRegen | 2018-12-14 07:50:03 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
98d362 | [Discussion] Regenerative breaking. What s the best or “right way” to maximize energy gained? | I ve heard mixed reviews on this and also haven t seen a definitive answer. I m not an engineer so pardon the jargon assumptions as I explain. Say you are driving at x speed and you need to come to a complete stop at y distance away. At what distance approaching y should you start allowing regen to take over and by how much? Some say get closer to y at x speed and allow a “firmer” regen but others say to allow x to decrease slowly with a gradual regen as you approach y. Can someone smarter than me answer this? | amdizack | 2018-08-18 16:52:24 | 14 | e4f1zx8 | Personal opinion- end result of driving should feel “good” and “safe”. If you suddenly take the paddle off and let regen take over and let the car cruise at slower speed it doesn t feel normal and other drivers around you may startle. I would say keep regen setting at “standard” and drive such that end result it smooth. It takes getting used to. Let smart engineers at Tesla figure out how to get most efficient out of this | Space-n-Spice | 2018-08-18 17:04:22 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8mx1h2 | [Discussion] Rejected Model 3 Delivery in Mt Kisco NY Due to Transit Damage and Paint Defects VIN 2082X | **Update: Opted for a new VIN. I was told it would be roughly 3-6 weeks for delivery** I m super bummed out. After over 4 hours at the Tesla store this morning I had no choice but to reject my Model 3 delivery due to several quality control issues and damage during transit that I had not been notified about prior to my delivery appointment. It was also apparent that the car had not been properly detailed (the interior and exterior was visibly dirty). The Tesla Delivery Checklist posted on this sub came in super handy here to find all the issues. I imagine most people outside of the sub may miss a lot of the QA issues due to the way that the delivery appointment is structured and the poor lighting in the showroom. Edit: **I walked into the delivery center willing to take delivery of a car that was not absolutely perfect however when considering the level of damage QA issues and my overall delivery experience I had no other choice but to reject the delivery. In fact this was the approach recommended to me by the Tesla supervisor after I said I was willing to take delivery of the car. This is highlighted in the original post below** Here is a list of issues experienced: - Major damage to the passenger side chrome trim that somehow occurred during transit. They didn t mention this until immediately before we got to see the car. All the other damage found below was not mentioned to us. - Deep scrapes under front bumper probably from the delivery truck (center left and right sides). - Paint scratches scuffs and cobweb swirls throughout paint finish. Especially near wheel wells and front back bumper. Some deep scratches that could be felt with a fingernail as well. One deep scratch on the driver side doors - Visible black goop or adhesive behind chrome trim on passengers side in two spots. - Finish of edges on upper part of front bumper right below the Tesla logo on the hood had folded over paint which resulted in a bumpy texture. The rest of the hood edges were smooth where this edge was noticeably bumpy (visually and by touch) - Some protrusions in the cloth ceiling trim in the front and back interior that other Model 3s at the delivery location did not have - Some inconsistencies in the door seals - Lots of dust on the interior side of the glass roof (not sure how dust was able to accumulate here possibly from before install?) Further background: I submitted my order on April 10 and had a delivery scheduled this morning (5 28) at the Mt Kisco Tesla store in NY. My assigned VIN was 20828. I was super excited to go pick up my Model 3 and had everything ready from financing through my credit union to auto insurance tied to the assigned VIN. Unfortunately we were really taken aback by the condition that my Model 3 was in during the delivery appointment. Upon arriving at the Tesla store at 10AM the sales rep wanted to first go through the paperwork before we got to see the vehicle. I thought this was odd but it seemed to be standard procedure. Luckily I had emailed them a day or so prior pointing out a mistake (incorrectly listed the financed amount) in the purchase agreement and they had not made the correction so the sales specialist needed some time to get a new purchase agreement issued. In the meantime the sales specialist said we can have a Tesla specialist take us through the car. The sales specialist went away for a while and came back to say our car is ready to be looked at. He then told us that an inspection had just been completed on the vehicle and they found that the passenger side chrome trim on my car incurred heavy damage during the shipment from California and needed to be replaced. They said they had the part and this could be done while we fill out the paperwork. In retrospect it seemed like they wanted me to sign the paperwork before seeing the car. I m assuming I could reject delivery after signing the paperwork but not sure sure how this all works typically as I ve never purchased a new car before. I wonder if the delivery would have proceeded differently if we completed the paperwork first. There was an elderly couple and a few others who came in for their Model 3 Delivery and they completed their paperwork first before getting to see their car. It appears that it is a standard procedure at least at this Tesla store. I guess most people expect the car to be in new condition and just drive off after signing all the paperwork. In reality the lighting of this showroom is really poor and it is hard to spot most paint defects without a flashlight. I know Elon mentioned paint quality issues as a major risk in his CBS interview -- I think many of the issues spotted that were not damage related must be what he was alluding to in that interview. edit: Actually I think this may have been the recent earnings call. The Tesla sales rep said we could take delivery and bring the car back another day to go to a body shop. Once my brother and I compiled a list of most of the defects the sales rep got a supervisor involved. The supervisor vehemently apologized for the car being in the condition it was upon delivery and said they would assign me a new VIN and ensure all these issues get resolved. **I even offered to take delivery of the car and leave with a loaner as long as they could agree that the issues would be fixed but the supervisor said that the extent of the issues will probably cost them more at a body shop than assigning me a new VIN.** They scanned my list of issues and gave us the original copies. He also mentioned that if I missed any the body shop will do a deeper scan through to spot out anything I may have missed. They weren t able to give me a loaner but they did offer to get us a Lyft Uber home. Unfortunately they offered this after we had already called some family to come pick us up. What a headache... We really needed the car and had made plans assuming we would have it for a vacation in June. Also my loan check likely expires in 60 days so I might have to re-apply for financing and may lose out on my 2% @ 60 months for the full purchase price (excluding reservation + order deposits). I planned to invest the full purchase amount in a high interest savings account (~3%). I ve never spent this amount of money on a car before and was really expecting the delivery experience to be flawless with Elon being more involved in the production. I can only hope this feedback helps Tesla improve their delivery experience going forward. I really believe in the mission of the company but they have some serious things to work on if they plan to stay competitive in the EV space. I didn t take as many photos as I should have but here are a few we took of the paint defects damage we found that were not highlighted to us by the Tesla delivery center: https: imgur.com a SQtkcJP | ligh7c | 2018-05-29 06:53:07 | 49 | dzrbgjf | I m not trying to criticize you personally ultimately you need to be happy with your 55-60k car. That said there are a lot of posts here where issues seem so embellished. I can kind of see what you re talking about from a couple of pictures...it just seems so minor. The language you use to describe what s in the pictures makes everything seem 10x worse than what s shown. Obviously it s personal preference but I don t think I d notice most of those things on any car I ve had in the past. They may even just disappear with a good wash + wax. | Skylake1987 | 2018-05-29 11:46:37 | 15 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8mx1h2 | [Discussion] Rejected Model 3 Delivery in Mt Kisco NY Due to Transit Damage and Paint Defects VIN 2082X | **Update: Opted for a new VIN. I was told it would be roughly 3-6 weeks for delivery** I m super bummed out. After over 4 hours at the Tesla store this morning I had no choice but to reject my Model 3 delivery due to several quality control issues and damage during transit that I had not been notified about prior to my delivery appointment. It was also apparent that the car had not been properly detailed (the interior and exterior was visibly dirty). The Tesla Delivery Checklist posted on this sub came in super handy here to find all the issues. I imagine most people outside of the sub may miss a lot of the QA issues due to the way that the delivery appointment is structured and the poor lighting in the showroom. Edit: **I walked into the delivery center willing to take delivery of a car that was not absolutely perfect however when considering the level of damage QA issues and my overall delivery experience I had no other choice but to reject the delivery. In fact this was the approach recommended to me by the Tesla supervisor after I said I was willing to take delivery of the car. This is highlighted in the original post below** Here is a list of issues experienced: - Major damage to the passenger side chrome trim that somehow occurred during transit. They didn t mention this until immediately before we got to see the car. All the other damage found below was not mentioned to us. - Deep scrapes under front bumper probably from the delivery truck (center left and right sides). - Paint scratches scuffs and cobweb swirls throughout paint finish. Especially near wheel wells and front back bumper. Some deep scratches that could be felt with a fingernail as well. One deep scratch on the driver side doors - Visible black goop or adhesive behind chrome trim on passengers side in two spots. - Finish of edges on upper part of front bumper right below the Tesla logo on the hood had folded over paint which resulted in a bumpy texture. The rest of the hood edges were smooth where this edge was noticeably bumpy (visually and by touch) - Some protrusions in the cloth ceiling trim in the front and back interior that other Model 3s at the delivery location did not have - Some inconsistencies in the door seals - Lots of dust on the interior side of the glass roof (not sure how dust was able to accumulate here possibly from before install?) Further background: I submitted my order on April 10 and had a delivery scheduled this morning (5 28) at the Mt Kisco Tesla store in NY. My assigned VIN was 20828. I was super excited to go pick up my Model 3 and had everything ready from financing through my credit union to auto insurance tied to the assigned VIN. Unfortunately we were really taken aback by the condition that my Model 3 was in during the delivery appointment. Upon arriving at the Tesla store at 10AM the sales rep wanted to first go through the paperwork before we got to see the vehicle. I thought this was odd but it seemed to be standard procedure. Luckily I had emailed them a day or so prior pointing out a mistake (incorrectly listed the financed amount) in the purchase agreement and they had not made the correction so the sales specialist needed some time to get a new purchase agreement issued. In the meantime the sales specialist said we can have a Tesla specialist take us through the car. The sales specialist went away for a while and came back to say our car is ready to be looked at. He then told us that an inspection had just been completed on the vehicle and they found that the passenger side chrome trim on my car incurred heavy damage during the shipment from California and needed to be replaced. They said they had the part and this could be done while we fill out the paperwork. In retrospect it seemed like they wanted me to sign the paperwork before seeing the car. I m assuming I could reject delivery after signing the paperwork but not sure sure how this all works typically as I ve never purchased a new car before. I wonder if the delivery would have proceeded differently if we completed the paperwork first. There was an elderly couple and a few others who came in for their Model 3 Delivery and they completed their paperwork first before getting to see their car. It appears that it is a standard procedure at least at this Tesla store. I guess most people expect the car to be in new condition and just drive off after signing all the paperwork. In reality the lighting of this showroom is really poor and it is hard to spot most paint defects without a flashlight. I know Elon mentioned paint quality issues as a major risk in his CBS interview -- I think many of the issues spotted that were not damage related must be what he was alluding to in that interview. edit: Actually I think this may have been the recent earnings call. The Tesla sales rep said we could take delivery and bring the car back another day to go to a body shop. Once my brother and I compiled a list of most of the defects the sales rep got a supervisor involved. The supervisor vehemently apologized for the car being in the condition it was upon delivery and said they would assign me a new VIN and ensure all these issues get resolved. **I even offered to take delivery of the car and leave with a loaner as long as they could agree that the issues would be fixed but the supervisor said that the extent of the issues will probably cost them more at a body shop than assigning me a new VIN.** They scanned my list of issues and gave us the original copies. He also mentioned that if I missed any the body shop will do a deeper scan through to spot out anything I may have missed. They weren t able to give me a loaner but they did offer to get us a Lyft Uber home. Unfortunately they offered this after we had already called some family to come pick us up. What a headache... We really needed the car and had made plans assuming we would have it for a vacation in June. Also my loan check likely expires in 60 days so I might have to re-apply for financing and may lose out on my 2% @ 60 months for the full purchase price (excluding reservation + order deposits). I planned to invest the full purchase amount in a high interest savings account (~3%). I ve never spent this amount of money on a car before and was really expecting the delivery experience to be flawless with Elon being more involved in the production. I can only hope this feedback helps Tesla improve their delivery experience going forward. I really believe in the mission of the company but they have some serious things to work on if they plan to stay competitive in the EV space. I didn t take as many photos as I should have but here are a few we took of the paint defects damage we found that were not highlighted to us by the Tesla delivery center: https: imgur.com a SQtkcJP | ligh7c | 2018-05-29 06:53:07 | 49 | dzrgr5h | You have done the right thing by refusing delivery. If you had taken delivery that would require many visits to the service center for many weeks. It s not even guaranteed that the issues would be fixed after a few weeks. It s very common for service centers to create new problems while they are trying to fix another problem. Recently they tried to fix a bumper color mismatch in a white Model 3 and they made it worse. See the photos [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8khqdh went_to_pick_up_my_white_model_3_back_from_tesla ). In the After photo #2 you can see that the bumper is now pressed in too much. Tesla sometimes says the problems are within specs . That would mean not only you would have to try to solve issues for a few weeks or months but you also would have to visit different service centers so you might get a different answer than within specs . | Teslike | 2018-05-29 13:38:37 | 10 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8mx1h2 | [Discussion] Rejected Model 3 Delivery in Mt Kisco NY Due to Transit Damage and Paint Defects VIN 2082X | **Update: Opted for a new VIN. I was told it would be roughly 3-6 weeks for delivery** I m super bummed out. After over 4 hours at the Tesla store this morning I had no choice but to reject my Model 3 delivery due to several quality control issues and damage during transit that I had not been notified about prior to my delivery appointment. It was also apparent that the car had not been properly detailed (the interior and exterior was visibly dirty). The Tesla Delivery Checklist posted on this sub came in super handy here to find all the issues. I imagine most people outside of the sub may miss a lot of the QA issues due to the way that the delivery appointment is structured and the poor lighting in the showroom. Edit: **I walked into the delivery center willing to take delivery of a car that was not absolutely perfect however when considering the level of damage QA issues and my overall delivery experience I had no other choice but to reject the delivery. In fact this was the approach recommended to me by the Tesla supervisor after I said I was willing to take delivery of the car. This is highlighted in the original post below** Here is a list of issues experienced: - Major damage to the passenger side chrome trim that somehow occurred during transit. They didn t mention this until immediately before we got to see the car. All the other damage found below was not mentioned to us. - Deep scrapes under front bumper probably from the delivery truck (center left and right sides). - Paint scratches scuffs and cobweb swirls throughout paint finish. Especially near wheel wells and front back bumper. Some deep scratches that could be felt with a fingernail as well. One deep scratch on the driver side doors - Visible black goop or adhesive behind chrome trim on passengers side in two spots. - Finish of edges on upper part of front bumper right below the Tesla logo on the hood had folded over paint which resulted in a bumpy texture. The rest of the hood edges were smooth where this edge was noticeably bumpy (visually and by touch) - Some protrusions in the cloth ceiling trim in the front and back interior that other Model 3s at the delivery location did not have - Some inconsistencies in the door seals - Lots of dust on the interior side of the glass roof (not sure how dust was able to accumulate here possibly from before install?) Further background: I submitted my order on April 10 and had a delivery scheduled this morning (5 28) at the Mt Kisco Tesla store in NY. My assigned VIN was 20828. I was super excited to go pick up my Model 3 and had everything ready from financing through my credit union to auto insurance tied to the assigned VIN. Unfortunately we were really taken aback by the condition that my Model 3 was in during the delivery appointment. Upon arriving at the Tesla store at 10AM the sales rep wanted to first go through the paperwork before we got to see the vehicle. I thought this was odd but it seemed to be standard procedure. Luckily I had emailed them a day or so prior pointing out a mistake (incorrectly listed the financed amount) in the purchase agreement and they had not made the correction so the sales specialist needed some time to get a new purchase agreement issued. In the meantime the sales specialist said we can have a Tesla specialist take us through the car. The sales specialist went away for a while and came back to say our car is ready to be looked at. He then told us that an inspection had just been completed on the vehicle and they found that the passenger side chrome trim on my car incurred heavy damage during the shipment from California and needed to be replaced. They said they had the part and this could be done while we fill out the paperwork. In retrospect it seemed like they wanted me to sign the paperwork before seeing the car. I m assuming I could reject delivery after signing the paperwork but not sure sure how this all works typically as I ve never purchased a new car before. I wonder if the delivery would have proceeded differently if we completed the paperwork first. There was an elderly couple and a few others who came in for their Model 3 Delivery and they completed their paperwork first before getting to see their car. It appears that it is a standard procedure at least at this Tesla store. I guess most people expect the car to be in new condition and just drive off after signing all the paperwork. In reality the lighting of this showroom is really poor and it is hard to spot most paint defects without a flashlight. I know Elon mentioned paint quality issues as a major risk in his CBS interview -- I think many of the issues spotted that were not damage related must be what he was alluding to in that interview. edit: Actually I think this may have been the recent earnings call. The Tesla sales rep said we could take delivery and bring the car back another day to go to a body shop. Once my brother and I compiled a list of most of the defects the sales rep got a supervisor involved. The supervisor vehemently apologized for the car being in the condition it was upon delivery and said they would assign me a new VIN and ensure all these issues get resolved. **I even offered to take delivery of the car and leave with a loaner as long as they could agree that the issues would be fixed but the supervisor said that the extent of the issues will probably cost them more at a body shop than assigning me a new VIN.** They scanned my list of issues and gave us the original copies. He also mentioned that if I missed any the body shop will do a deeper scan through to spot out anything I may have missed. They weren t able to give me a loaner but they did offer to get us a Lyft Uber home. Unfortunately they offered this after we had already called some family to come pick us up. What a headache... We really needed the car and had made plans assuming we would have it for a vacation in June. Also my loan check likely expires in 60 days so I might have to re-apply for financing and may lose out on my 2% @ 60 months for the full purchase price (excluding reservation + order deposits). I planned to invest the full purchase amount in a high interest savings account (~3%). I ve never spent this amount of money on a car before and was really expecting the delivery experience to be flawless with Elon being more involved in the production. I can only hope this feedback helps Tesla improve their delivery experience going forward. I really believe in the mission of the company but they have some serious things to work on if they plan to stay competitive in the EV space. I didn t take as many photos as I should have but here are a few we took of the paint defects damage we found that were not highlighted to us by the Tesla delivery center: https: imgur.com a SQtkcJP | ligh7c | 2018-05-29 06:53:07 | 49 | dzsytrp | The attitude displayed by some commenters below is disgusting. You guys make this community look bad - this guy is buying a $55 000 state of the art vehicle and for most people their dream car. He s not holding Tesla to an unfair standard even the supervisor acknowledged the problems. Good on you OP for refusing to take the vehicle. This is the right thing to do. You are paying a large sum for a new vehicle and these issues are unacceptable. I ve personally never seen a new car delivered in this state. I m on my 2nd Tesla (moved from S P85+ to X 90D) and I would refuse delivery if my vehicle arrived like this. Wouldn t think twice about it. | TreadEverSoLightly | 2018-05-30 03:52:11 | 9 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8mx1h2 | [Discussion] Rejected Model 3 Delivery in Mt Kisco NY Due to Transit Damage and Paint Defects VIN 2082X | **Update: Opted for a new VIN. I was told it would be roughly 3-6 weeks for delivery** I m super bummed out. After over 4 hours at the Tesla store this morning I had no choice but to reject my Model 3 delivery due to several quality control issues and damage during transit that I had not been notified about prior to my delivery appointment. It was also apparent that the car had not been properly detailed (the interior and exterior was visibly dirty). The Tesla Delivery Checklist posted on this sub came in super handy here to find all the issues. I imagine most people outside of the sub may miss a lot of the QA issues due to the way that the delivery appointment is structured and the poor lighting in the showroom. Edit: **I walked into the delivery center willing to take delivery of a car that was not absolutely perfect however when considering the level of damage QA issues and my overall delivery experience I had no other choice but to reject the delivery. In fact this was the approach recommended to me by the Tesla supervisor after I said I was willing to take delivery of the car. This is highlighted in the original post below** Here is a list of issues experienced: - Major damage to the passenger side chrome trim that somehow occurred during transit. They didn t mention this until immediately before we got to see the car. All the other damage found below was not mentioned to us. - Deep scrapes under front bumper probably from the delivery truck (center left and right sides). - Paint scratches scuffs and cobweb swirls throughout paint finish. Especially near wheel wells and front back bumper. Some deep scratches that could be felt with a fingernail as well. One deep scratch on the driver side doors - Visible black goop or adhesive behind chrome trim on passengers side in two spots. - Finish of edges on upper part of front bumper right below the Tesla logo on the hood had folded over paint which resulted in a bumpy texture. The rest of the hood edges were smooth where this edge was noticeably bumpy (visually and by touch) - Some protrusions in the cloth ceiling trim in the front and back interior that other Model 3s at the delivery location did not have - Some inconsistencies in the door seals - Lots of dust on the interior side of the glass roof (not sure how dust was able to accumulate here possibly from before install?) Further background: I submitted my order on April 10 and had a delivery scheduled this morning (5 28) at the Mt Kisco Tesla store in NY. My assigned VIN was 20828. I was super excited to go pick up my Model 3 and had everything ready from financing through my credit union to auto insurance tied to the assigned VIN. Unfortunately we were really taken aback by the condition that my Model 3 was in during the delivery appointment. Upon arriving at the Tesla store at 10AM the sales rep wanted to first go through the paperwork before we got to see the vehicle. I thought this was odd but it seemed to be standard procedure. Luckily I had emailed them a day or so prior pointing out a mistake (incorrectly listed the financed amount) in the purchase agreement and they had not made the correction so the sales specialist needed some time to get a new purchase agreement issued. In the meantime the sales specialist said we can have a Tesla specialist take us through the car. The sales specialist went away for a while and came back to say our car is ready to be looked at. He then told us that an inspection had just been completed on the vehicle and they found that the passenger side chrome trim on my car incurred heavy damage during the shipment from California and needed to be replaced. They said they had the part and this could be done while we fill out the paperwork. In retrospect it seemed like they wanted me to sign the paperwork before seeing the car. I m assuming I could reject delivery after signing the paperwork but not sure sure how this all works typically as I ve never purchased a new car before. I wonder if the delivery would have proceeded differently if we completed the paperwork first. There was an elderly couple and a few others who came in for their Model 3 Delivery and they completed their paperwork first before getting to see their car. It appears that it is a standard procedure at least at this Tesla store. I guess most people expect the car to be in new condition and just drive off after signing all the paperwork. In reality the lighting of this showroom is really poor and it is hard to spot most paint defects without a flashlight. I know Elon mentioned paint quality issues as a major risk in his CBS interview -- I think many of the issues spotted that were not damage related must be what he was alluding to in that interview. edit: Actually I think this may have been the recent earnings call. The Tesla sales rep said we could take delivery and bring the car back another day to go to a body shop. Once my brother and I compiled a list of most of the defects the sales rep got a supervisor involved. The supervisor vehemently apologized for the car being in the condition it was upon delivery and said they would assign me a new VIN and ensure all these issues get resolved. **I even offered to take delivery of the car and leave with a loaner as long as they could agree that the issues would be fixed but the supervisor said that the extent of the issues will probably cost them more at a body shop than assigning me a new VIN.** They scanned my list of issues and gave us the original copies. He also mentioned that if I missed any the body shop will do a deeper scan through to spot out anything I may have missed. They weren t able to give me a loaner but they did offer to get us a Lyft Uber home. Unfortunately they offered this after we had already called some family to come pick us up. What a headache... We really needed the car and had made plans assuming we would have it for a vacation in June. Also my loan check likely expires in 60 days so I might have to re-apply for financing and may lose out on my 2% @ 60 months for the full purchase price (excluding reservation + order deposits). I planned to invest the full purchase amount in a high interest savings account (~3%). I ve never spent this amount of money on a car before and was really expecting the delivery experience to be flawless with Elon being more involved in the production. I can only hope this feedback helps Tesla improve their delivery experience going forward. I really believe in the mission of the company but they have some serious things to work on if they plan to stay competitive in the EV space. I didn t take as many photos as I should have but here are a few we took of the paint defects damage we found that were not highlighted to us by the Tesla delivery center: https: imgur.com a SQtkcJP | ligh7c | 2018-05-29 06:53:07 | 49 | dzrbxz2 | The showroom is really a terrible place to inspect the car and was the exact reasoning I used to get them to fix some scratches on the trunk that I didn t see prior to delivery. Tesla really seems to be trying to embrace the minimum viable product technique in production QA and hoping most people will accept the poor quality being churned out in the factory. A half-competent QA specialist wouldn t have missed these glaring issues. On the bright side Tesla more than often will admit to these issues and try to make it right but at the cost of the consumer s time and patience. Here s to hoping you get your TM3 soon! | Mxbzz | 2018-05-29 11:58:39 | 8 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8mx1h2 | [Discussion] Rejected Model 3 Delivery in Mt Kisco NY Due to Transit Damage and Paint Defects VIN 2082X | **Update: Opted for a new VIN. I was told it would be roughly 3-6 weeks for delivery** I m super bummed out. After over 4 hours at the Tesla store this morning I had no choice but to reject my Model 3 delivery due to several quality control issues and damage during transit that I had not been notified about prior to my delivery appointment. It was also apparent that the car had not been properly detailed (the interior and exterior was visibly dirty). The Tesla Delivery Checklist posted on this sub came in super handy here to find all the issues. I imagine most people outside of the sub may miss a lot of the QA issues due to the way that the delivery appointment is structured and the poor lighting in the showroom. Edit: **I walked into the delivery center willing to take delivery of a car that was not absolutely perfect however when considering the level of damage QA issues and my overall delivery experience I had no other choice but to reject the delivery. In fact this was the approach recommended to me by the Tesla supervisor after I said I was willing to take delivery of the car. This is highlighted in the original post below** Here is a list of issues experienced: - Major damage to the passenger side chrome trim that somehow occurred during transit. They didn t mention this until immediately before we got to see the car. All the other damage found below was not mentioned to us. - Deep scrapes under front bumper probably from the delivery truck (center left and right sides). - Paint scratches scuffs and cobweb swirls throughout paint finish. Especially near wheel wells and front back bumper. Some deep scratches that could be felt with a fingernail as well. One deep scratch on the driver side doors - Visible black goop or adhesive behind chrome trim on passengers side in two spots. - Finish of edges on upper part of front bumper right below the Tesla logo on the hood had folded over paint which resulted in a bumpy texture. The rest of the hood edges were smooth where this edge was noticeably bumpy (visually and by touch) - Some protrusions in the cloth ceiling trim in the front and back interior that other Model 3s at the delivery location did not have - Some inconsistencies in the door seals - Lots of dust on the interior side of the glass roof (not sure how dust was able to accumulate here possibly from before install?) Further background: I submitted my order on April 10 and had a delivery scheduled this morning (5 28) at the Mt Kisco Tesla store in NY. My assigned VIN was 20828. I was super excited to go pick up my Model 3 and had everything ready from financing through my credit union to auto insurance tied to the assigned VIN. Unfortunately we were really taken aback by the condition that my Model 3 was in during the delivery appointment. Upon arriving at the Tesla store at 10AM the sales rep wanted to first go through the paperwork before we got to see the vehicle. I thought this was odd but it seemed to be standard procedure. Luckily I had emailed them a day or so prior pointing out a mistake (incorrectly listed the financed amount) in the purchase agreement and they had not made the correction so the sales specialist needed some time to get a new purchase agreement issued. In the meantime the sales specialist said we can have a Tesla specialist take us through the car. The sales specialist went away for a while and came back to say our car is ready to be looked at. He then told us that an inspection had just been completed on the vehicle and they found that the passenger side chrome trim on my car incurred heavy damage during the shipment from California and needed to be replaced. They said they had the part and this could be done while we fill out the paperwork. In retrospect it seemed like they wanted me to sign the paperwork before seeing the car. I m assuming I could reject delivery after signing the paperwork but not sure sure how this all works typically as I ve never purchased a new car before. I wonder if the delivery would have proceeded differently if we completed the paperwork first. There was an elderly couple and a few others who came in for their Model 3 Delivery and they completed their paperwork first before getting to see their car. It appears that it is a standard procedure at least at this Tesla store. I guess most people expect the car to be in new condition and just drive off after signing all the paperwork. In reality the lighting of this showroom is really poor and it is hard to spot most paint defects without a flashlight. I know Elon mentioned paint quality issues as a major risk in his CBS interview -- I think many of the issues spotted that were not damage related must be what he was alluding to in that interview. edit: Actually I think this may have been the recent earnings call. The Tesla sales rep said we could take delivery and bring the car back another day to go to a body shop. Once my brother and I compiled a list of most of the defects the sales rep got a supervisor involved. The supervisor vehemently apologized for the car being in the condition it was upon delivery and said they would assign me a new VIN and ensure all these issues get resolved. **I even offered to take delivery of the car and leave with a loaner as long as they could agree that the issues would be fixed but the supervisor said that the extent of the issues will probably cost them more at a body shop than assigning me a new VIN.** They scanned my list of issues and gave us the original copies. He also mentioned that if I missed any the body shop will do a deeper scan through to spot out anything I may have missed. They weren t able to give me a loaner but they did offer to get us a Lyft Uber home. Unfortunately they offered this after we had already called some family to come pick us up. What a headache... We really needed the car and had made plans assuming we would have it for a vacation in June. Also my loan check likely expires in 60 days so I might have to re-apply for financing and may lose out on my 2% @ 60 months for the full purchase price (excluding reservation + order deposits). I planned to invest the full purchase amount in a high interest savings account (~3%). I ve never spent this amount of money on a car before and was really expecting the delivery experience to be flawless with Elon being more involved in the production. I can only hope this feedback helps Tesla improve their delivery experience going forward. I really believe in the mission of the company but they have some serious things to work on if they plan to stay competitive in the EV space. I didn t take as many photos as I should have but here are a few we took of the paint defects damage we found that were not highlighted to us by the Tesla delivery center: https: imgur.com a SQtkcJP | ligh7c | 2018-05-29 06:53:07 | 49 | dzr7ujr | That really sucks. Unfortunately not the first time I ve heard of damage from delivery. I live about an hour from the factory. I wonder if I can just pick mine up as it rolls out the door instead of waiting for someone to crash it off the delivery truck. Although it sounds like you had a plethora of quality issues. Hope it gets fixed. | CrappyDragon | 2018-05-29 09:55:28 | 6 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8mx1h2 | [Discussion] Rejected Model 3 Delivery in Mt Kisco NY Due to Transit Damage and Paint Defects VIN 2082X | **Update: Opted for a new VIN. I was told it would be roughly 3-6 weeks for delivery** I m super bummed out. After over 4 hours at the Tesla store this morning I had no choice but to reject my Model 3 delivery due to several quality control issues and damage during transit that I had not been notified about prior to my delivery appointment. It was also apparent that the car had not been properly detailed (the interior and exterior was visibly dirty). The Tesla Delivery Checklist posted on this sub came in super handy here to find all the issues. I imagine most people outside of the sub may miss a lot of the QA issues due to the way that the delivery appointment is structured and the poor lighting in the showroom. Edit: **I walked into the delivery center willing to take delivery of a car that was not absolutely perfect however when considering the level of damage QA issues and my overall delivery experience I had no other choice but to reject the delivery. In fact this was the approach recommended to me by the Tesla supervisor after I said I was willing to take delivery of the car. This is highlighted in the original post below** Here is a list of issues experienced: - Major damage to the passenger side chrome trim that somehow occurred during transit. They didn t mention this until immediately before we got to see the car. All the other damage found below was not mentioned to us. - Deep scrapes under front bumper probably from the delivery truck (center left and right sides). - Paint scratches scuffs and cobweb swirls throughout paint finish. Especially near wheel wells and front back bumper. Some deep scratches that could be felt with a fingernail as well. One deep scratch on the driver side doors - Visible black goop or adhesive behind chrome trim on passengers side in two spots. - Finish of edges on upper part of front bumper right below the Tesla logo on the hood had folded over paint which resulted in a bumpy texture. The rest of the hood edges were smooth where this edge was noticeably bumpy (visually and by touch) - Some protrusions in the cloth ceiling trim in the front and back interior that other Model 3s at the delivery location did not have - Some inconsistencies in the door seals - Lots of dust on the interior side of the glass roof (not sure how dust was able to accumulate here possibly from before install?) Further background: I submitted my order on April 10 and had a delivery scheduled this morning (5 28) at the Mt Kisco Tesla store in NY. My assigned VIN was 20828. I was super excited to go pick up my Model 3 and had everything ready from financing through my credit union to auto insurance tied to the assigned VIN. Unfortunately we were really taken aback by the condition that my Model 3 was in during the delivery appointment. Upon arriving at the Tesla store at 10AM the sales rep wanted to first go through the paperwork before we got to see the vehicle. I thought this was odd but it seemed to be standard procedure. Luckily I had emailed them a day or so prior pointing out a mistake (incorrectly listed the financed amount) in the purchase agreement and they had not made the correction so the sales specialist needed some time to get a new purchase agreement issued. In the meantime the sales specialist said we can have a Tesla specialist take us through the car. The sales specialist went away for a while and came back to say our car is ready to be looked at. He then told us that an inspection had just been completed on the vehicle and they found that the passenger side chrome trim on my car incurred heavy damage during the shipment from California and needed to be replaced. They said they had the part and this could be done while we fill out the paperwork. In retrospect it seemed like they wanted me to sign the paperwork before seeing the car. I m assuming I could reject delivery after signing the paperwork but not sure sure how this all works typically as I ve never purchased a new car before. I wonder if the delivery would have proceeded differently if we completed the paperwork first. There was an elderly couple and a few others who came in for their Model 3 Delivery and they completed their paperwork first before getting to see their car. It appears that it is a standard procedure at least at this Tesla store. I guess most people expect the car to be in new condition and just drive off after signing all the paperwork. In reality the lighting of this showroom is really poor and it is hard to spot most paint defects without a flashlight. I know Elon mentioned paint quality issues as a major risk in his CBS interview -- I think many of the issues spotted that were not damage related must be what he was alluding to in that interview. edit: Actually I think this may have been the recent earnings call. The Tesla sales rep said we could take delivery and bring the car back another day to go to a body shop. Once my brother and I compiled a list of most of the defects the sales rep got a supervisor involved. The supervisor vehemently apologized for the car being in the condition it was upon delivery and said they would assign me a new VIN and ensure all these issues get resolved. **I even offered to take delivery of the car and leave with a loaner as long as they could agree that the issues would be fixed but the supervisor said that the extent of the issues will probably cost them more at a body shop than assigning me a new VIN.** They scanned my list of issues and gave us the original copies. He also mentioned that if I missed any the body shop will do a deeper scan through to spot out anything I may have missed. They weren t able to give me a loaner but they did offer to get us a Lyft Uber home. Unfortunately they offered this after we had already called some family to come pick us up. What a headache... We really needed the car and had made plans assuming we would have it for a vacation in June. Also my loan check likely expires in 60 days so I might have to re-apply for financing and may lose out on my 2% @ 60 months for the full purchase price (excluding reservation + order deposits). I planned to invest the full purchase amount in a high interest savings account (~3%). I ve never spent this amount of money on a car before and was really expecting the delivery experience to be flawless with Elon being more involved in the production. I can only hope this feedback helps Tesla improve their delivery experience going forward. I really believe in the mission of the company but they have some serious things to work on if they plan to stay competitive in the EV space. I didn t take as many photos as I should have but here are a few we took of the paint defects damage we found that were not highlighted to us by the Tesla delivery center: https: imgur.com a SQtkcJP | ligh7c | 2018-05-29 06:53:07 | 49 | dzr8js3 | Every car they deliver has paint defects. When I asked them to deal with some they introduced holograms. Basically you need to take the car with some of these paint defects and go pay a few hundred dollars for a 2 stage paint correction at a quality detailer sadly. | URFIR3D | 2018-05-29 10:20:30 | 6 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8uobyq | [Discussion] Renter contemplating Supercharging only 1-2x week - doable? wise? | Contacted my apartment building here on the West Side of Los Angeles and was told that a space with a charging port is available but it will cost $150 mo. (I assume that this is on top of the electricity I d use which would be passed onto my electric bill). I drive relatively little during the week maybe 15 miles day tops occasionally 20 miles day once or twice a week. I m contemplating charging up to 90% once or if absolutely needed twice week to avoid the cost of the charging port. I know about the plug it in at all times that you can advice however I am wondering if the battery would be fine as long as I don t stress it (I could certainly commit to not going under 30% at any time). Specifically on the west side in Los Angeles temperatures are very mild year-long at the hight of summer it seldom gets over 80F where I live and the car would be parked in a covered garage which is cooler than outside in direct sunlight. In winter it s usually 50s-60s on occasion seeing 40s and once in a blue moon high 30s overnight. Do you guys think this regimen would be fine or does the daily charging maintaining of the battery count for a lot as far as battery longevity? I am not concerned if say in 5 years I lose 6% capacity (regardless of mileage -- although this would be sky-high for my low miles) but if it would be much more than that I ll spring for the charger. It s also likely that w in 1-2 years we ll own a house at which point this would be moot -- I m just worried if this is an especially bad practice for 6-24 months or if it s not something to worry much about. Edit cuz I think it sums my feelings up well: I m spending close to $80k on a car (after tax tag etc possibly more) it s not a major expense to spend another $150 mo if it ll matter but if it won t it s kinda anti-climactic that I m supposed to be saving all this money on gas while in meantime I m getting slapped on the hand for going green (: | mastre | 2018-06-28 23:13:06 | 17 | e1gwqow | I do this and it s totally doable! | rypalmer | 2018-06-28 23:36:53 | 9 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8uobyq | [Discussion] Renter contemplating Supercharging only 1-2x week - doable? wise? | Contacted my apartment building here on the West Side of Los Angeles and was told that a space with a charging port is available but it will cost $150 mo. (I assume that this is on top of the electricity I d use which would be passed onto my electric bill). I drive relatively little during the week maybe 15 miles day tops occasionally 20 miles day once or twice a week. I m contemplating charging up to 90% once or if absolutely needed twice week to avoid the cost of the charging port. I know about the plug it in at all times that you can advice however I am wondering if the battery would be fine as long as I don t stress it (I could certainly commit to not going under 30% at any time). Specifically on the west side in Los Angeles temperatures are very mild year-long at the hight of summer it seldom gets over 80F where I live and the car would be parked in a covered garage which is cooler than outside in direct sunlight. In winter it s usually 50s-60s on occasion seeing 40s and once in a blue moon high 30s overnight. Do you guys think this regimen would be fine or does the daily charging maintaining of the battery count for a lot as far as battery longevity? I am not concerned if say in 5 years I lose 6% capacity (regardless of mileage -- although this would be sky-high for my low miles) but if it would be much more than that I ll spring for the charger. It s also likely that w in 1-2 years we ll own a house at which point this would be moot -- I m just worried if this is an especially bad practice for 6-24 months or if it s not something to worry much about. Edit cuz I think it sums my feelings up well: I m spending close to $80k on a car (after tax tag etc possibly more) it s not a major expense to spend another $150 mo if it ll matter but if it won t it s kinda anti-climactic that I m supposed to be saving all this money on gas while in meantime I m getting slapped on the hand for going green (: | mastre | 2018-06-28 23:13:06 | 17 | e1gwhhr | I do it. Was lucky enough to choose an apartment right next to the super chargers in Ocala. Pretty much the “sign” that I should get my car. Sometimes it s a little daunting to work charging your car into your day as opposed to being able to charge it overnight at home but it s definitely do-able. My gym is in that area so I just charge it when I need to and go workout. Works out nice. | dougyf14 | 2018-06-28 23:32:28 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8uobyq | [Discussion] Renter contemplating Supercharging only 1-2x week - doable? wise? | Contacted my apartment building here on the West Side of Los Angeles and was told that a space with a charging port is available but it will cost $150 mo. (I assume that this is on top of the electricity I d use which would be passed onto my electric bill). I drive relatively little during the week maybe 15 miles day tops occasionally 20 miles day once or twice a week. I m contemplating charging up to 90% once or if absolutely needed twice week to avoid the cost of the charging port. I know about the plug it in at all times that you can advice however I am wondering if the battery would be fine as long as I don t stress it (I could certainly commit to not going under 30% at any time). Specifically on the west side in Los Angeles temperatures are very mild year-long at the hight of summer it seldom gets over 80F where I live and the car would be parked in a covered garage which is cooler than outside in direct sunlight. In winter it s usually 50s-60s on occasion seeing 40s and once in a blue moon high 30s overnight. Do you guys think this regimen would be fine or does the daily charging maintaining of the battery count for a lot as far as battery longevity? I am not concerned if say in 5 years I lose 6% capacity (regardless of mileage -- although this would be sky-high for my low miles) but if it would be much more than that I ll spring for the charger. It s also likely that w in 1-2 years we ll own a house at which point this would be moot -- I m just worried if this is an especially bad practice for 6-24 months or if it s not something to worry much about. Edit cuz I think it sums my feelings up well: I m spending close to $80k on a car (after tax tag etc possibly more) it s not a major expense to spend another $150 mo if it ll matter but if it won t it s kinda anti-climactic that I m supposed to be saving all this money on gas while in meantime I m getting slapped on the hand for going green (: | mastre | 2018-06-28 23:13:06 | 17 | e1gwmyq | I only charge at superchargers 1x every 2 weeks. Never at home. I d never pay $150 to charge. At that point you might as well not buy an EV. | Blind_at_Sea | 2018-06-28 23:35:04 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8uobyq | [Discussion] Renter contemplating Supercharging only 1-2x week - doable? wise? | Contacted my apartment building here on the West Side of Los Angeles and was told that a space with a charging port is available but it will cost $150 mo. (I assume that this is on top of the electricity I d use which would be passed onto my electric bill). I drive relatively little during the week maybe 15 miles day tops occasionally 20 miles day once or twice a week. I m contemplating charging up to 90% once or if absolutely needed twice week to avoid the cost of the charging port. I know about the plug it in at all times that you can advice however I am wondering if the battery would be fine as long as I don t stress it (I could certainly commit to not going under 30% at any time). Specifically on the west side in Los Angeles temperatures are very mild year-long at the hight of summer it seldom gets over 80F where I live and the car would be parked in a covered garage which is cooler than outside in direct sunlight. In winter it s usually 50s-60s on occasion seeing 40s and once in a blue moon high 30s overnight. Do you guys think this regimen would be fine or does the daily charging maintaining of the battery count for a lot as far as battery longevity? I am not concerned if say in 5 years I lose 6% capacity (regardless of mileage -- although this would be sky-high for my low miles) but if it would be much more than that I ll spring for the charger. It s also likely that w in 1-2 years we ll own a house at which point this would be moot -- I m just worried if this is an especially bad practice for 6-24 months or if it s not something to worry much about. Edit cuz I think it sums my feelings up well: I m spending close to $80k on a car (after tax tag etc possibly more) it s not a major expense to spend another $150 mo if it ll matter but if it won t it s kinda anti-climactic that I m supposed to be saving all this money on gas while in meantime I m getting slapped on the hand for going green (: | mastre | 2018-06-28 23:13:06 | 17 | e1h296x | Go for it. Especially with that little driving. When I first got my Model S I lived in a building outside of Seattle with no chargers but only about 6 miles from work. Got by charging at the office a couple times a week. If that was full there was a ChaDeMo plug at a local Starbucks - I d bring my laptop and spend the afternoon there. (At that time - mid-2016 - there were no Superchargers conveniently near Seattle and the nrg EVGo ChaDeMo chargers only charged a half hour at a time - was somewhat annoying and ironic in such a green city but it was worth it.) | rma92 | 2018-06-29 01:14:22 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7vtege | [Discussion] Require confirmation for opening the sunroof in the rain | Since the CV can detect rain it should disable or require confirmation when opening the sunroof to stop dumb passengers from going what s this do? and opening the sunroof while it s pouring outside. | treetraversal | 2018-02-07 03:57:46 | 22 | dtv6b9m | You are the dumb people sensor. No one gets in my car and says ooo what s this and presses it. | buttakisheadakis | 2018-02-07 06:38:50 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7vtege | [Discussion] Require confirmation for opening the sunroof in the rain | Since the CV can detect rain it should disable or require confirmation when opening the sunroof to stop dumb passengers from going what s this do? and opening the sunroof while it s pouring outside. | treetraversal | 2018-02-07 03:57:46 | 22 | dtvg9yc | Would be nice to have it auto close the sunroof and windows if it detected rain while its parked... My VW Golf did that. | gjas24 | 2018-02-07 12:45:00 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aaxe7m | [Discussion] Risks of not using Pin2Drive? | Greetings all Brand new Tesla 3 owner. I do not have a FOB using phone to unlock and have a card in my wallet and securely at home. I m curious of the risks of not enabling\using Pin2Drive. I ve heard stories of key cloning and nefarious people disabling mobile access. Is this still possible using the phone as the key? Basically what are the risks and weaknesses of not using Pin2Drive? | i_am_not_you_or_me | 2018-12-30 16:47:32 | 14 | ecvrffd | It was designed to defeat keyfob relay attacks which can work against a legacy Tesla keyfob with passive entry enabled. (The Model 3 keyfob is active only - so it shouldn t be an issue.) BLE which is what the Model 3 phone key uses would be harder to spoof relay but theoretically it s possible. Basically it protects you in cases where you park somewhat close to where your key is and your car is accessible. If you park in a garage or relatively far from where you store your key phone it shouldn t be an issue. Also now that disabling data requires Tesla credentials the sophisticated thefts where someone boosts they key and then quickly disables mobile access shouldn t be quite as easy. (It s still possible to pop out the SIM but that requires some time damage) In short if you park in sketchy areas use it. | ekobres | 2018-12-30 16:59:17 | 10 | Tesla phone key functionality |
aaxe7m | [Discussion] Risks of not using Pin2Drive? | Greetings all Brand new Tesla 3 owner. I do not have a FOB using phone to unlock and have a card in my wallet and securely at home. I m curious of the risks of not enabling\using Pin2Drive. I ve heard stories of key cloning and nefarious people disabling mobile access. Is this still possible using the phone as the key? Basically what are the risks and weaknesses of not using Pin2Drive? | i_am_not_you_or_me | 2018-12-30 16:47:32 | 14 | ecvr3dr | If you only use your phone then the risk is pretty much zero since it can t be targeted like regular fobs. If you park the car very close to where you sleep keep your phone there is a small risk but it s easier to just set a task to disable Bluetooth at let s say 10pm and enable it when you wake up than having to input your PIN every single time. | izybit | 2018-12-30 16:54:34 | 5 | Tesla phone key functionality |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1hzsep | Explain that there s still cost involved to you it s just more nuanced. Loss of value due to miles wear tear and if you charge at home that s still a cost. | Kaelang | 2018-06-29 14:34:13 | 31 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1hzslb | um- show them the invoices from the superchargers? I d say first charge (at home) is on you and they pay for the others. Or you pay for charging and they pay for food drink on the road. | noswad8 | 2018-06-29 14:34:18 | 15 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1i1eo4 | They could at least toss you a baggie of AAs. 😥 | 1st3inAZ | 2018-06-29 14:58:22 | 14 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1i0gtg | Show them that electricity is about half the price of gasoline but not free https: www.energy.gov articles egallon-how-much-cheaper-it-drive-electricity Also show them http: carboncounter.com and switch the x axis to fuel costs. Then charge them ~4 cents per mile. But they don t realize that you will be stuck with the wear and tear on just your car? And you ll most likely have to do most of the driving? | BraveRock | 2018-06-29 14:44:27 | 10 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1i0ptb | No problem all your meals are on them. Hello lobster! (Note the cheapskate will start eating all their meals at McDs) | MidnightRider3000 | 2018-06-29 14:48:11 | 10 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1i7uqn | I would speak to them like an adult. Explain yeah you get it. Its super cheaper. However you dont appreciate them taking advantage of you. You can volunteer but still keep the rotation. Your car will just be the added bonus for a better trip when it rotates to your turn again. Also thats some pretty shitty friends. If I were one of them I would immediately offer up some funds. Id even suggest that the money that would have been spent on gas is now put into a pile to buy supplies for the trip or at the destination. Beer alcohol food etc. | spudlime | 2018-06-29 16:30:42 | 9 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1i1fpp | If you can t get them to pay for gas I doubt you can get them to pay for electricity. Get them to buy other stuff like food and drinks... or just get new friends. -) | ubermoxi | 2018-06-29 14:58:48 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1i0qoh | I would tell them that you want to put the same miles on your car as they put on theirs so you take turns in whose car is used. | ThatIsMrDickHead2You | 2018-06-29 14:48:33 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1i17in | The marginal cost to you for mileage depreciation maintenance tires is still at least $0.15 a mile I d estimate. Then there s the electricity cost on top of that. Since it s a road trip that likely means you paying for SuperCharger usage: See what Tesla charges here: https: www.tesla.com support supercharging The going rate is somewhere around $0.23 per kWh. That will work out to around $0.05 a mile. So altogether each 1000 mile trip will have a very real marginal cost to you of about $200. I m leaving out other fixed sunk costs like insurance registration since you would have those costs anyway. It still might make sense for you guys to use your car because it s cheaper for everyone.. but they still owe you money. | bariaga | 2018-06-29 14:55:25 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1i8pfz | Regardless of the economics this is simply Not Done with people I know. I might ask someone for a ride with no expectation that they must accept. If I want to drive somewhere with them I will offer to drive. If I d rather take their car I will quietly hope they counteroffer to drive. I d never say to a friend hey let s all take your car somewhere! Sounds like you need to set expectations. Decide what *you* want to do. It is after all your car. | mikeash | 2018-06-29 16:42:58 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8utjke | [Discussion] Road Trip Gas Money | How do you deal with friends that always want you to drive because they don t owe you gas money ? Some friends and I are planning on several road trips next year (weddings football games etc.). Originally we were just going to rotate through everyone s cars. However since I m planning on taking delivery of a Tesla late this year they ve all decided that they want my car on **every trip**. They told me that they want to do it because it s cheaper for the group since there s no gas money involved not even a mention of charging fees. I m not mad to drive my share of the trips but this is crazy! Driving 4-6 1000 mile trips and getting no reimbursement for it? What are they thinking!? | mandjari | 2018-06-29 14:27:24 | 35 | e1is7sb | Once I get a Tesla I plan on getting new friends too. Just an idea. | krazykanuck30 | 2018-06-29 21:35:36 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
airr77 | [Discussion] Safety at Tesla Superchargers | What is the safety security like at the Superchargers? Are some better than others (e.g. ones with the Tesla lounges maybe)? Would it be a crazy idea for a single girl to go to a Supercharger in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere by herself? (Debating a road trip in California and haven t seen this discussed.) Better worse same than visiting a gas station in the middle of the night? (Of course any vulnerability will be amplified by the amount of time you have to spend at a supercharger). | EvangelineRain | 2019-01-22 21:25:01 | 24 | eeq1eh6 | Check PlugShare for comments and photos on Supercharger locations. I skipped the one in Mobile Alabama after reading comments on PlugShare about it being a little sketchy. | cwright | 2019-01-22 22:05:52 | 26 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
airr77 | [Discussion] Safety at Tesla Superchargers | What is the safety security like at the Superchargers? Are some better than others (e.g. ones with the Tesla lounges maybe)? Would it be a crazy idea for a single girl to go to a Supercharger in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere by herself? (Debating a road trip in California and haven t seen this discussed.) Better worse same than visiting a gas station in the middle of the night? (Of course any vulnerability will be amplified by the amount of time you have to spend at a supercharger). | EvangelineRain | 2019-01-22 21:25:01 | 24 | eeq0bo6 | I m a single girl and I ve hung out at some superchargers late at night. Most of the times they have been away from malls and such but I never felt unsafe. The great thing is that you can hang out in your locked car for the most part. When you get out you should always be aware of your surroundings but that should be an every day habit. | a1000wtp | 2019-01-22 21:53:07 | 23 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
airr77 | [Discussion] Safety at Tesla Superchargers | What is the safety security like at the Superchargers? Are some better than others (e.g. ones with the Tesla lounges maybe)? Would it be a crazy idea for a single girl to go to a Supercharger in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere by herself? (Debating a road trip in California and haven t seen this discussed.) Better worse same than visiting a gas station in the middle of the night? (Of course any vulnerability will be amplified by the amount of time you have to spend at a supercharger). | EvangelineRain | 2019-01-22 21:25:01 | 24 | eepyvli | Every supercharger has a discussion page you can link to at supercharge.info that discusses this sort of thing. There are awesome sones but a few are shady af. | garthreddit | 2019-01-22 21:36:20 | 15 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
airr77 | [Discussion] Safety at Tesla Superchargers | What is the safety security like at the Superchargers? Are some better than others (e.g. ones with the Tesla lounges maybe)? Would it be a crazy idea for a single girl to go to a Supercharger in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere by herself? (Debating a road trip in California and haven t seen this discussed.) Better worse same than visiting a gas station in the middle of the night? (Of course any vulnerability will be amplified by the amount of time you have to spend at a supercharger). | EvangelineRain | 2019-01-22 21:25:01 | 24 | eeq22p1 | Beware of the Joplin MO Supercharger. It s a scene right out of The Walking Dead. | malbrour | 2019-01-22 22:14:01 | 15 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
airr77 | [Discussion] Safety at Tesla Superchargers | What is the safety security like at the Superchargers? Are some better than others (e.g. ones with the Tesla lounges maybe)? Would it be a crazy idea for a single girl to go to a Supercharger in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere by herself? (Debating a road trip in California and haven t seen this discussed.) Better worse same than visiting a gas station in the middle of the night? (Of course any vulnerability will be amplified by the amount of time you have to spend at a supercharger). | EvangelineRain | 2019-01-22 21:25:01 | 24 | eepynyp | Never seen one with a Tesla lounge. Most at shopping centers convenience stores or rest stops. Usually at least one other car there. They seem pretty safe. | JFreader | 2019-01-22 21:33:54 | 12 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
airr77 | [Discussion] Safety at Tesla Superchargers | What is the safety security like at the Superchargers? Are some better than others (e.g. ones with the Tesla lounges maybe)? Would it be a crazy idea for a single girl to go to a Supercharger in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere by herself? (Debating a road trip in California and haven t seen this discussed.) Better worse same than visiting a gas station in the middle of the night? (Of course any vulnerability will be amplified by the amount of time you have to spend at a supercharger). | EvangelineRain | 2019-01-22 21:25:01 | 24 | eepz4uz | I m a young woman who generally takes road trips by myself. Of the four I ve encountered one was super remote (next to a service center nothing besides that immediately nearby) one was behind a grocery store which was a little out of the way and the other two were in general parking garages. It feels safer when there are other people there but I don t know how I would feel just chilling at any of them if there was no one else there. I would try to go during a time when other people would be around or when the surrounding stores areas are still open. | screenlit | 2019-01-22 21:39:18 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
airr77 | [Discussion] Safety at Tesla Superchargers | What is the safety security like at the Superchargers? Are some better than others (e.g. ones with the Tesla lounges maybe)? Would it be a crazy idea for a single girl to go to a Supercharger in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere by herself? (Debating a road trip in California and haven t seen this discussed.) Better worse same than visiting a gas station in the middle of the night? (Of course any vulnerability will be amplified by the amount of time you have to spend at a supercharger). | EvangelineRain | 2019-01-22 21:25:01 | 24 | eeq01rh | One nice thing about superchargers over gas stations is that you don t need to hang around while it charges. Pull in jump out plug in and walk away. I often think about this when I have to stand around for three minutes refueling my work car. One guy came up to me flashed a badge and told me it was illegal to use my Bluetooth head set while pumping gas (I wasn t even using it). Another time somebody was blasting religious type preaching. Take the usual precautions and you should be good. | BraveRock | 2019-01-22 21:49:56 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
airr77 | [Discussion] Safety at Tesla Superchargers | What is the safety security like at the Superchargers? Are some better than others (e.g. ones with the Tesla lounges maybe)? Would it be a crazy idea for a single girl to go to a Supercharger in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere by herself? (Debating a road trip in California and haven t seen this discussed.) Better worse same than visiting a gas station in the middle of the night? (Of course any vulnerability will be amplified by the amount of time you have to spend at a supercharger). | EvangelineRain | 2019-01-22 21:25:01 | 24 | eeq63fy | In you are in California definitely do not go to the Inyokern one at night. Or during the day. Or ever. | wolfrno | 2019-01-22 23:03:32 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8qlyhu | [Discussion] Security code password to enable driving? | It may just be me but I would love to see an optional security setting that requires a user driver to put in a code or password to allow the car to drive. It would ad some nice security to need the Fob card phone as well as knowing the code to steal the car. If it s optional I can t see it being annoying to anyone that does not want it. Any thoughts? Yes I know someone could still steal the car with a tow truck. For that the software should issue an alert of vibration and motion while locked not driving. | MacGyver137 | 2018-06-12 19:42:19 | 20 | e0k73r3 | I have been tweeting this to Elon for months and have also posted it to a couple of feedback suggestion threads in here. Imo a simple 4-digit pin to enable driving can prevent > 99% of thefts. | izybit | 2018-06-12 19:46:17 | 6 | Tesla phone key functionality |
8qlyhu | [Discussion] Security code password to enable driving? | It may just be me but I would love to see an optional security setting that requires a user driver to put in a code or password to allow the car to drive. It would ad some nice security to need the Fob card phone as well as knowing the code to steal the car. If it s optional I can t see it being annoying to anyone that does not want it. Any thoughts? Yes I know someone could still steal the car with a tow truck. For that the software should issue an alert of vibration and motion while locked not driving. | MacGyver137 | 2018-06-12 19:42:19 | 20 | e0k7yk2 | [The first 25 seconds of this video](https: youtu.be rSQWO5REZbU) is all I can think of. That would also be my code because I m a fucking nerd. | TheKobayashiMoron | 2018-06-12 19:58:02 | 6 | Tesla phone key functionality |
7nan2q | [Discussion] Security of Model 3 RFID. | Does anyone have a reference for the security of the RFID key for the Model 3? One of the concerns I have is someone can get relatively close to you and scan the RFID and “steal” your keys that way. Is there any special methods Tesla came up with to prevent this? Otherwise I feel like the RFID could be a potential weak point of Model 3 security. It s even more concerning because no one actually has to steal anything. They just need to be near you. If there s any security experts or Tesla employees that can give some more information I would appreciate it. | Lancaster61 | 2017-12-31 20:03:21 | 29 | ds0bf3x | You generally can t clone a RFID card just by being nearby. | joshiee | 2017-12-31 20:08:02 | 17 | Tesla phone key functionality |
7nan2q | [Discussion] Security of Model 3 RFID. | Does anyone have a reference for the security of the RFID key for the Model 3? One of the concerns I have is someone can get relatively close to you and scan the RFID and “steal” your keys that way. Is there any special methods Tesla came up with to prevent this? Otherwise I feel like the RFID could be a potential weak point of Model 3 security. It s even more concerning because no one actually has to steal anything. They just need to be near you. If there s any security experts or Tesla employees that can give some more information I would appreciate it. | Lancaster61 | 2017-12-31 20:03:21 | 29 | ds0go0q | Your phone is the issue not the cards. Anyone can sit in the middle of you and your car that s just out of range repeat the signal from your phone and car and trick the car. The cards are Fort Knox compared to the bluetooth way that s actually meant to work at a distance. This however is basically the situation any modern car is in. | vita10gy | 2017-12-31 21:51:16 | 7 | Tesla phone key functionality |
7nan2q | [Discussion] Security of Model 3 RFID. | Does anyone have a reference for the security of the RFID key for the Model 3? One of the concerns I have is someone can get relatively close to you and scan the RFID and “steal” your keys that way. Is there any special methods Tesla came up with to prevent this? Otherwise I feel like the RFID could be a potential weak point of Model 3 security. It s even more concerning because no one actually has to steal anything. They just need to be near you. If there s any security experts or Tesla employees that can give some more information I would appreciate it. | Lancaster61 | 2017-12-31 20:03:21 | 29 | ds0bvi9 | I believe most RFID cars used public private key pairs for authentication. There s a little computer in the card that does some math to generate a response to a challenge. You can t simply copy the card because the correct response can only be generated if you know the private key and the card never exposes the private key. What you could do is a “man in the middle attack” which would involve two people. One standing near the car and one near you. They could relay the messages between the car and RFID tag over a long-distance radio link. This is pretty difficult to coordinate and easily thwarted with a timeout since the radio link will necessarily be slower than the genuine article. Source: I m an electrical engineer who knows almost nothing about cryptography so someone correct me if I m wrong. | ch00f | 2017-12-31 20:17:04 | 6 | Tesla phone key functionality |
8driet | [Discussion] Service center experiences | I m a new Tesla owner having taken delivery of my Model 3 less than 2 weeks ago. It s overall amazing but it s had a number of problems ranging from software screen glitches to fit-and-finish issues and most recently the GPS freezing after getting the 14.13 update. I had an appointment today at my local service center (San Diego) to bring it in. Compared to service I ve had at traditional dealerships it felt really disorganized. I pulled up to the check-in and no one came over to help for at least 7-8 minutes. I didn t think much of that at first because I was behind another car but having never been there before after a few minutes I had no idea if I was supposed to go inside and check-in or if someone was supposed to come over. I barely got out of my car when a service tech walked up from behind me to talk to me. He didn t introduce himself didn t say what we needed to do next just asked my name and asked me what the problems were. After I was finally being helped at least 2 more cars pulled in behind me and there was a tech that went to each right away. I told the tech I d never taken in a Tesla for service before and had no idea how it all worked but despite point-blank asking him to tell me how the appointment is going to go he doesn t address my question having gotten distracted by someone saying hello to him. He went over the issues with me making notes then left me by the car for a few minutes. He returns and again he doesn t tell me anything about what happens next even though I m asking him to explain things. He tells me to just wait in the lounge but doesn t tell me where it is until I ask him. Ten minutes go by and I m just sitting around with no clue what s going on expecting to see that same tech again. I don t see him again before I leave. An different employee comes into the lounge to ask whose car (mine) was parked in the drop-off lane and that they need the key card to move it. So now I m handing over the key card to a different Tesla employee with the first tech gone. I sit for another few minutes and a third employee comes up to me and asks if I m waiting for a car. I still don t know what s going on and said I m waiting on my Model 3. He said he thought I was waiting for a car by which he means loaner. I said I don t know and he asks me who s been helping me so he can find out. I tell him I don t know because he never introduced himself. After the third guy leave and comes back it s finally clear that I have to leave my car over the weekend for diagnostics which I was not expecting at all. They don t have any Tesla loaners and I get to drive away in an Nissan POS which is worse than the car I was driving 2 weeks earlier before trading it in for the Model 3. The service center sent a follow-up text a little while later to open the lines of communication and tells me to text back if I need anything. The next update is supposed to come on Monday (3 days from now). I respond right away still not really clear what the plan and asking them to call back. Three hours later I still haven t heard back and I m going to be calling them as soon as I m done writing this post. I have no idea how long they are going to keep my car and feel like I m completely in the dark right now. The confusion and lack of communication left a really bad taste in my mouth which was topped off by having to leave my brand new car when I wasn t advised it was a possibility. Reading forum posts I get that they can t always give out another Tesla but to drop off a $55K car and be given a $12K rental car as a loaner really sucks. Is this the type of experience I should expect when I need to take the car in for warranty service? They re obviously overwhelmed and the service employees aren t living up to the standard I d expect from being exposed to the sales side of Tesla. If I need to have service done in the future are there any strategies I can employ to at least get another Tesla as a loaner? Better day of the week or time of day to drop off? I wouldn t feel nearly as bad as I do right now if I wasn t stuck driving something worse than my old car and far worse than the Model 3 for who knows how long. | SDKoala | 2018-04-20 22:17:44 | 15 | dxpei7t | In short yes. | igotopinionsppl | 2018-04-20 22:23:55 | 7 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8driet | [Discussion] Service center experiences | I m a new Tesla owner having taken delivery of my Model 3 less than 2 weeks ago. It s overall amazing but it s had a number of problems ranging from software screen glitches to fit-and-finish issues and most recently the GPS freezing after getting the 14.13 update. I had an appointment today at my local service center (San Diego) to bring it in. Compared to service I ve had at traditional dealerships it felt really disorganized. I pulled up to the check-in and no one came over to help for at least 7-8 minutes. I didn t think much of that at first because I was behind another car but having never been there before after a few minutes I had no idea if I was supposed to go inside and check-in or if someone was supposed to come over. I barely got out of my car when a service tech walked up from behind me to talk to me. He didn t introduce himself didn t say what we needed to do next just asked my name and asked me what the problems were. After I was finally being helped at least 2 more cars pulled in behind me and there was a tech that went to each right away. I told the tech I d never taken in a Tesla for service before and had no idea how it all worked but despite point-blank asking him to tell me how the appointment is going to go he doesn t address my question having gotten distracted by someone saying hello to him. He went over the issues with me making notes then left me by the car for a few minutes. He returns and again he doesn t tell me anything about what happens next even though I m asking him to explain things. He tells me to just wait in the lounge but doesn t tell me where it is until I ask him. Ten minutes go by and I m just sitting around with no clue what s going on expecting to see that same tech again. I don t see him again before I leave. An different employee comes into the lounge to ask whose car (mine) was parked in the drop-off lane and that they need the key card to move it. So now I m handing over the key card to a different Tesla employee with the first tech gone. I sit for another few minutes and a third employee comes up to me and asks if I m waiting for a car. I still don t know what s going on and said I m waiting on my Model 3. He said he thought I was waiting for a car by which he means loaner. I said I don t know and he asks me who s been helping me so he can find out. I tell him I don t know because he never introduced himself. After the third guy leave and comes back it s finally clear that I have to leave my car over the weekend for diagnostics which I was not expecting at all. They don t have any Tesla loaners and I get to drive away in an Nissan POS which is worse than the car I was driving 2 weeks earlier before trading it in for the Model 3. The service center sent a follow-up text a little while later to open the lines of communication and tells me to text back if I need anything. The next update is supposed to come on Monday (3 days from now). I respond right away still not really clear what the plan and asking them to call back. Three hours later I still haven t heard back and I m going to be calling them as soon as I m done writing this post. I have no idea how long they are going to keep my car and feel like I m completely in the dark right now. The confusion and lack of communication left a really bad taste in my mouth which was topped off by having to leave my brand new car when I wasn t advised it was a possibility. Reading forum posts I get that they can t always give out another Tesla but to drop off a $55K car and be given a $12K rental car as a loaner really sucks. Is this the type of experience I should expect when I need to take the car in for warranty service? They re obviously overwhelmed and the service employees aren t living up to the standard I d expect from being exposed to the sales side of Tesla. If I need to have service done in the future are there any strategies I can employ to at least get another Tesla as a loaner? Better day of the week or time of day to drop off? I wouldn t feel nearly as bad as I do right now if I wasn t stuck driving something worse than my old car and far worse than the Model 3 for who knows how long. | SDKoala | 2018-04-20 22:17:44 | 15 | dxpgxf6 | Yeah San Diego is the worse they took my model 3 just waiting on parking lot for days and not being worked on. They said they are waiting on parts and when parts came another person i talked said they are still waiting on the parts after few lies they finally started working on it to find they need to order more parts. I decided to get my car back and wait until parts come in. It is been 2 weeks they since ordered the parts but no one would talk or communicate to me regarding this. They just keep postponing it | thekalki | 2018-04-20 23:10:30 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
7sqafr | [Discussion] Sharing a Model 3 with phone-as-key | There has been a lot of discussion on the phone-as-key for the Model 3. While I am excited for the fob-less option (though I acknowledge others are resistant to the change) I am curious how sharing the car will work. I live near a lot of family and we often shuffle cars around to meet needs (e.g. if I need a full-size SUV to haul extra passengers). Right now it is as simple as trading keyfobs. I understand that the NFC card can serve the same purpose but that will take away some of the functionality of the car. I let others borrow my car(s) (or trade cars with them) often enough that I would like an easy way of sharing the full functionality. This seems like a place where the phone-as-key could be an active improvement rather than a downside. Right now I believe that there are four options to share the car: 1. Hand over the NFC card. This works but limits functionality (including pre-conditioning and walk-up unlock) in a non-modifiable way. 2. Sign in to my Tesla account on their phone. This gives full functionality but it requires me to log out after I get the car back (or allow them to track where I am and potentially monkey with my settings -- I have brothers and we already do the same using the Roku remotes on our phones from other rooms). It would also give them access to any stored information while they have the car. For the most part anyone that I trust with the car I would also trust with that information. However I have one brother-in-law for whom that might be an issue. 3. Have them set up a Tesla account and grant access to the car. Solves some of the information issues but still allows them unfettered access to the car whenever they want. This appears to take a while to set up and it is not currently possible to activate deactivate quickly (based on [this thread](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads owners-of-multiple-teslas-how-to-combine-mytesla-accounts.73373 )). 4. Hand over my phone when they borrow the car. All of the above concerns plus access to even more information and I wouldn t have my phone. Maybe viable for short trips with extreme trust but not ideal. What I would like ideally is to be able to grant temporary and limited access to the car at will. This would presumably require them to install the Tesla app and set up an account but it seems relatively straightforward to grant revoke access and set up something of a sandbox (e.g. store a driver profile but don t allow viewing of logs history). For example I could select Grant access from the app enter a username and level of permissions (e.g. valet mode on off glove-box access time-limit etc.) and submit. That user would then be able to access the car. I wouldn t even have to be there to give them keys (e.g. if I parked the car for a trip and needed it moved). To be clear: handing over the NFC card is (roughly) equivalent to handing over the key for an ICE right now. This isn t a regression but it seems like there is so much opportunity for extension improvement. For example if I borrow rent a Model 3 on vacation my account could carry with it all of my preferred settings (e.g. seat mirror position and maybe even linked audio accounts). So: What am I missing here? Are there thoughts on drawbacks limitations of this or features that should be included as well? I am assuming Tesla has thought of this (particularly as it relates to the future Tesla Network car ride sharing) but I m curious if anyone else has ideas on it or insights. | pete3442 | 2018-01-24 20:54:11 | 23 | dt6q3mh | There is no valet key. There is the regular credit card key. You enable valet mode on the display before handing it over if you want to limit functionality. You then disable it with a pin when you get the car back. Just hand them the credit card key. All they ll be missing is walk up to unlock. | Athabascad | 2018-01-24 21:24:28 | 7 | Tesla phone key functionality |
7sqafr | [Discussion] Sharing a Model 3 with phone-as-key | There has been a lot of discussion on the phone-as-key for the Model 3. While I am excited for the fob-less option (though I acknowledge others are resistant to the change) I am curious how sharing the car will work. I live near a lot of family and we often shuffle cars around to meet needs (e.g. if I need a full-size SUV to haul extra passengers). Right now it is as simple as trading keyfobs. I understand that the NFC card can serve the same purpose but that will take away some of the functionality of the car. I let others borrow my car(s) (or trade cars with them) often enough that I would like an easy way of sharing the full functionality. This seems like a place where the phone-as-key could be an active improvement rather than a downside. Right now I believe that there are four options to share the car: 1. Hand over the NFC card. This works but limits functionality (including pre-conditioning and walk-up unlock) in a non-modifiable way. 2. Sign in to my Tesla account on their phone. This gives full functionality but it requires me to log out after I get the car back (or allow them to track where I am and potentially monkey with my settings -- I have brothers and we already do the same using the Roku remotes on our phones from other rooms). It would also give them access to any stored information while they have the car. For the most part anyone that I trust with the car I would also trust with that information. However I have one brother-in-law for whom that might be an issue. 3. Have them set up a Tesla account and grant access to the car. Solves some of the information issues but still allows them unfettered access to the car whenever they want. This appears to take a while to set up and it is not currently possible to activate deactivate quickly (based on [this thread](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads owners-of-multiple-teslas-how-to-combine-mytesla-accounts.73373 )). 4. Hand over my phone when they borrow the car. All of the above concerns plus access to even more information and I wouldn t have my phone. Maybe viable for short trips with extreme trust but not ideal. What I would like ideally is to be able to grant temporary and limited access to the car at will. This would presumably require them to install the Tesla app and set up an account but it seems relatively straightforward to grant revoke access and set up something of a sandbox (e.g. store a driver profile but don t allow viewing of logs history). For example I could select Grant access from the app enter a username and level of permissions (e.g. valet mode on off glove-box access time-limit etc.) and submit. That user would then be able to access the car. I wouldn t even have to be there to give them keys (e.g. if I parked the car for a trip and needed it moved). To be clear: handing over the NFC card is (roughly) equivalent to handing over the key for an ICE right now. This isn t a regression but it seems like there is so much opportunity for extension improvement. For example if I borrow rent a Model 3 on vacation my account could carry with it all of my preferred settings (e.g. seat mirror position and maybe even linked audio accounts). So: What am I missing here? Are there thoughts on drawbacks limitations of this or features that should be included as well? I am assuming Tesla has thought of this (particularly as it relates to the future Tesla Network car ride sharing) but I m curious if anyone else has ideas on it or insights. | pete3442 | 2018-01-24 20:54:11 | 23 | dt6r9z4 | What about using previous-gen iPhone or iPod touch that you might have lying around? Can you bind a 2nd phone to the car? If so you ve just created a FOB equivalent with an old phone. Hand over the old phone when you want to lend the car. | neter66 | 2018-01-24 21:42:51 | 6 | Tesla phone key functionality |
8zrp28 | [Discussion] Shop says if I have Tesla fix the delivery paint defect I found I can t get a cermamic coat for 3 months? | I found a small paint defect on the trunk of the car that s in the clear coat and Tesla said they d fix it but it would require taking the trunk piece off sanding it down and repainting. It s really minor spot but I paid a lot and want the car to be perfect. I had a ceramic coating scheduled and let them know I would have to reschedule tell after this was fixed and was told they actually would have to wait a long time after it was repainted(3 months) to let it dry and for fumes to come out. Is this actually accurate? If so how do people feel about waiting that long to get the ceramic coating is it bad to wait that long? | soapinmouth | 2018-07-18 02:51:38 | 12 | e2kyjem | I waited two months. Had paint correction done with the ceramic coating and it looks better than the day I got it. No more “factory installed scratches” | TeslaModel11 | 2018-07-18 02:56:15 | 9 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8zrp28 | [Discussion] Shop says if I have Tesla fix the delivery paint defect I found I can t get a cermamic coat for 3 months? | I found a small paint defect on the trunk of the car that s in the clear coat and Tesla said they d fix it but it would require taking the trunk piece off sanding it down and repainting. It s really minor spot but I paid a lot and want the car to be perfect. I had a ceramic coating scheduled and let them know I would have to reschedule tell after this was fixed and was told they actually would have to wait a long time after it was repainted(3 months) to let it dry and for fumes to come out. Is this actually accurate? If so how do people feel about waiting that long to get the ceramic coating is it bad to wait that long? | soapinmouth | 2018-07-18 02:51:38 | 12 | e2kzuhk | Does this mean I should wait a couple months after delivery to get a ceramic coat? I was going to get it done right after purchasing. | thebigbobowski | 2018-07-18 03:18:57 | 8 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
99i5ut | [Discussion] Shortage of 19 Inch Wheels for Model 3 | Tesla seems to have a shortage of 19 inch wheels and possibly a shortage of white interiors and I m wondering if anyone has received or even been contacted to schedule delivery of a non-performance AWD Model 3 with 19 inch wheels. I m an early (in 1st 10 people in line) day 1 reservation in Colorado and I ordered my AWD Model 3 with 19 inch wheels on May 23rd. I then updated my config to white interior when it became available on July 23rd. I ve heard nothing from Tesla and still have the Edit Design link on the webpage for my reservation. All of the recent deliveries I can find of Model 3 cars with 19 inch wheels seem to be RWD cars that were likely built before AWD became available. | zoiks66 | 2018-08-22 23:14:01 | 13 | e4nvr6f | I am getting mine this Friday. AWD Red FSD 19” Wheels | nberardi | 2018-08-22 23:34:51 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8sl38m | [Discussion] Should Business Insider retract their story about punctured batteries being used in Tesla vehicles? | Business Insider ran a story recently about punctured battery cells being used in Tesla cars as well as huge amounts of scrap at the Gigafactory. They stated employees as sources and it now seems likely Tripp is their source. | ThatIsMrDickHead2You | 2018-06-20 19:14:48 | 174 | e10c0aj | Sure after we agree on what “punctured battery cells” means and confirm that Business Insider was factually incorrect. We know for a fact that Tesla had a misconfigured machine punching holes in batteries. If the repair process for any of those punctured batteries did not include an outright replacement of every punctured part with a part that has not been punctured then by definition Tesla used punctured batteries in their vehicles. | totallyamericanbot | 2018-06-20 20:02:40 | 22 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8sl38m | [Discussion] Should Business Insider retract their story about punctured batteries being used in Tesla vehicles? | Business Insider ran a story recently about punctured battery cells being used in Tesla cars as well as huge amounts of scrap at the Gigafactory. They stated employees as sources and it now seems likely Tripp is their source. | ThatIsMrDickHead2You | 2018-06-20 19:14:48 | 174 | e108t30 | They also say they based it on internal documents . The article that came out yesterday about the 30k model 3 s (and 6k so far in June) stated exactly the same. It s also the same author who wrote it. Finally to answer your question. Yes I think they should make another article saying they were wrong. | JBuijs | 2018-06-20 19:20:17 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8sl38m | [Discussion] Should Business Insider retract their story about punctured batteries being used in Tesla vehicles? | Business Insider ran a story recently about punctured battery cells being used in Tesla cars as well as huge amounts of scrap at the Gigafactory. They stated employees as sources and it now seems likely Tripp is their source. | ThatIsMrDickHead2You | 2018-06-20 19:14:48 | 174 | e109n3o | Let it stay. As a long investor I m enjoying the negative news and in turn more people shorting the stock. The squeeze is going to be nice. | szman86 | 2018-06-20 19:31:14 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8sl38m | [Discussion] Should Business Insider retract their story about punctured batteries being used in Tesla vehicles? | Business Insider ran a story recently about punctured battery cells being used in Tesla cars as well as huge amounts of scrap at the Gigafactory. They stated employees as sources and it now seems likely Tripp is their source. | ThatIsMrDickHead2You | 2018-06-20 19:14:48 | 174 | e108swe | Only if they want to start establishing some journalistic integrity. The American people don t really demand that anymore though so can you blame them if they don t? | laioren | 2018-06-20 19:20:13 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8sl38m | [Discussion] Should Business Insider retract their story about punctured batteries being used in Tesla vehicles? | Business Insider ran a story recently about punctured battery cells being used in Tesla cars as well as huge amounts of scrap at the Gigafactory. They stated employees as sources and it now seems likely Tripp is their source. | ThatIsMrDickHead2You | 2018-06-20 19:14:48 | 174 | e10ebqa | Not if they have proof no - the question seems to be whether or not they do. | StevesRealAccount | 2018-06-20 20:34:07 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
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