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8qci9t | [Discussion] My electrician is asking for my Tesla s charging requirements specs what should I provide? | For my condo our landlord (who is the liaison to the electrician) sent me this: > Electrician just asked if you can send us the specs for the charging requirements for the car because he s worried that with the 15 amp circuit it might not be adequate for charging depending on what the car requires. What should I send back?? (It s for 120V and Model 3) | canucktesladude | 2018-06-11 20:00:24 | 31 | e0i3con | What type of outlet are they going to install? https: www.tesla.com support home-charging-installation#guides-manuals | generalization_guy | 2018-06-11 20:09:55 | 9 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8qci9t | [Discussion] My electrician is asking for my Tesla s charging requirements specs what should I provide? | For my condo our landlord (who is the liaison to the electrician) sent me this: > Electrician just asked if you can send us the specs for the charging requirements for the car because he s worried that with the 15 amp circuit it might not be adequate for charging depending on what the car requires. What should I send back?? (It s for 120V and Model 3) | canucktesladude | 2018-06-11 20:00:24 | 31 | e0i3flo | It all depends on the situation. If you are buying a HPWC you can get up to a 100amp connection. Depends on the car as they have different max charging rates. If you are planning on just using the included UMC that comes with the car you can just have a nema 14-50 installed with a 50 amp breaker. See resources below: https: www.tesla.com support home-charging-installation nema 14-50: https: www.tesla.com sites default files pdfs installation-guides NEMA_14-50_installation_guide_NA_US_2017.pdf HPWC: https: www.tesla.com sites default files pdfs wall-connector-eu wall_connector_installation_manual_80A_en_US.pdf | mattk926 | 2018-06-11 20:11:05 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8uww2y | [Discussion] My experience ceramic coating a Model 3 (and a question regarding ONR and opti-seal) | A bit of background first: I received deliver of my Model 3 at the end of March solid black w 18 aeros. At delivery everything was perfect: no panel gaps beautiful piano black paint. What a great car very fun to drive! Very happy I sold my Lexus. I had it tinted with Wincos at Monumental Workx in San Diego per the group buy and was very happy with the results. It was my first new car and so unlike prior vehicles I wanted to make sure I maintained it diligently and properly. I read up a bit on detailing and quickly realized automatic car washes are a no-go especially for a black car. Interestingly I could not find a single touchless car wash even remotely nearby - even the high-end wash places use the standard drive-through washes. So I decided to wash it myself using the two-bucket method. I bought a nice wash mitt grit guards for my buckets and a good soap. As a new car the washing part itself was quite easy. Drying however I found to be a huge pain - it took a long time and required a new microfiber towel every 1-2 panels to get a good streak-free look (my water is very hard and will leave all sorts of marks if not perfectly dried). Side note: anyone else agree with me on this? I also noted that despite using the two-bucket method and being fairly careful when washing and drying I was developing some light scratches and swirl marks. This is when I decided to do a ceramic coat. I would have preferred a full wrap but doing so is quite expensive and I thought the ceramic coat would at least make washing easier and I would have to worry a little less about swirl marks when washing. I ve never detailed a car before but a lot of reading and youtube watching (particularly the excellent post here: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8etdd1 tesla_model_3_diy_ceramic_coating ?ref=share& ref_source=link) got me going. I ended up using essentially all of the exact same items from the video. Here are my thoughts: * Time to completion was indeed about 12 hours of active labor - it took me an entire weekend. Not for the faint of heart! * I told my spouse I could probably shave some time off since it was a new car and wouldn t require much polishing. Nope! * At the time I did this the car had about 800 miles on it and had been washed (two-bucket method only) three times. In direct sunlight or under bright direct light I could not believe how many scratches and swirl marks I could see! Unbelievable! If I had to order my car again I would choose a different color. * Claybar-ing was easy but at some point I noticed the clay was adding more scratches than were there before. I changed up the clay to a brand new one which helped a bit but not much. After talking to some detailers I decided to only finishing claying horizontal surfaces - which are prone to collect more dust and other unwanted elements and thus are more important to clean. * Polishing: I originally thought it wouldn t be too bad - it s a brand new car! I can do this by hand for the small number of scratches. Wrong! After I quickly realized how difficult polishing by hand was I went out and purchased a random orbital polisher (by coincidence the exact same model in the aforementioned video) and finished with that. Still took about 6 hours to polish the car and even then there were still some scratches visible in direct light. Not showroom-perfect but overall it looked quite nice. I just couldn t justify spending any more time on this step. I know this is a big no-no as the ceramic will coat whatever scratches remain but I was comfortable with my decision. * Compared to polishing prepping and coating is easy. * I purchased the Gyeon Mohs Quartz Coating 30 ml Kit and that was enough to do the entire car with three coats with the exception of the back window and wheels. I could have done the back window too but I wanted to experiment and see the difference between it and the glass roof. If I decide coating on glass is worthwhile it s easy to do the back window later. * Waiting for 24 hours without being to drive your nice super clean polished car was hard!! * Total cost with everything (including the random orbital polisher): ~$250. Lessons I wish I was told before I started: * If you care about small scratches and swirl marks just do not get solid black paint. * If you want to ceramic coat yourself do so as soon as possible after delivery of your vehicle to minimize the amount of effort required during polishing. * Pay VERY careful attention when claying. * Doing this indoor is necessary to avoid dust and other contaminants. Good lighting is a must. I bought two halogens lights but even they were not enough (though I made do). * Think carefully if you really want to spend 12 hours of active labor doing this. I m glad I did it and I learned a lot but next time I will just pay someone to do it for me. Now when I wash my car the water beads off easily and the car looks fantastic! I have not noticed any additional scratches or swirl marks from washing. Drying is a bit easier than before but still does take a long time. Overall I m very happy with the results. I ve uploaded a few pictures here: https: imgur.com a boS4u17 Now I ve decided that I d like to wash using optimal no rinse (ONR) - saves water and importantly seems easier to dry. There are two types of ONR: wash & rinse or wash & wax - the latter of which includes some wax. Is there a recommended one to use given the ceramic coating? I tried reading up on this but couldn t find a straight answer. One person on a random forum suggested using ONRWR instead of ONRWW on a coated car but I wasn t sure if this was the general consensus. I d also like to use opti-seal as a drying agent. How would this affect the coating if at all? Is it ok to put opti-seal on top of the coating as a sealant (in addition to its use as a drying agent)? Any thoughts here would be appreciated. TL DR: coating is awesome. Takes a long time to apply - don t underestimate! Want to know if ONR w opti-seal is useful for a coated car. | jamesclerkmaxwell4 | 2018-06-29 21:34:13 | 42 | e1ixq7c | Regarding the ONR although its great to save water I m not sure that should be one of your objectives if you really care about your paint s finish (which it obviously seems like you do nice job!). But if you really want to go the ONR route check out this video. I m a little hesitant to recommend his videos since he s prone to talk a lot (at least he s got a nice British accent). But I feel he provides really good information. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=G4tOlMA2yXw If you skip towards the back he shows you how he uses ONR and then he goes over his car s black paint with a flashlight to confirm it has left no swirl marks. However if you frequent detailing forums you ll see most people love ONR. Many people pour a cap full into their wash bucket since it gives a little more lubrocity and supposedly encapsulates dirt. As far as using ONR with opti-coat check out Gyeon s Cure product. It provides an additional layer of Si02 protection that lasts months and also enhances the gloss a bit And its basically a wash-dry-spray on-wipe off product. If you re really lazy you can also do a wet application (wash-spray on-dry off). I have used Opti-Coat but it was many many years ago so I won t comment on how well it works versus something like Gyeon Cure. | tracksyde | 2018-06-29 23:09:22 | 6 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
ar1mur | [Discussion] My first winter road trip with a Model 3 Performance. | Yesterday I did my first winter road trip by driving from San Francisco to Bear Valley Ski Resort California! I knew I wouldn t be able to charge the Model 3 at the house I m currently staying because the access road is under 10 feet of snow. Hence I had to be strategic about battery management... & #x200B My plan A was to charge at the public Tesla Destination Charger at the Bear Valley Lodge. However because I couldn t guarantee the charger would work and be accessible (the charger has a poor rating on PlugShare) my backup plan was to stop at Manteca Supercharger (the last one before going up the mountain) and charge to 100%. With 100% battery I would make it to Bear Valley with about 45% left which would be enough to go down (15% range needed) and endure the cold over 4 nights and 4 days (estimated to be 10%) if I wasn t able to charge at the Tesla Destination Charger. On Thursday evening I hit the road and arrived at Manteca Supercharger with about 65% battery left. I immediately plugged my car but it was charging slower than expected (maximum of 38kw) mostly likely because it was only 50°F. I stopped about 45 minutes and had dinner at a not so nice Mexican place. When I got back to the car It was charged at 98% and I was ready to go up the mountain. I hit the road toward Bear Valley and the Tesla indicated I would make it up there with about 46% battery left. With 4 passengers in the car and the front and rear trunks fully loaded I expected that the prediction wouldn t be accurate. The road going up (107 miles) was uneven until we arrived in Arnold where it started to snow and got colder (about 28°F). At this moment the navigation system was estimating to arrive in Bear Valley with 42% battery left. All together a 4% loss wasn t so bad. However between Arnold and Bear Valley (25 miles) the efficiency plummeted. My guess it was because of the snow on the road and because of something else I would found out a bit later... more on that soon! & #x200B During the last 25 miles road conditions were really poor but I was excited to see how my new set of tires would perform. Last week I mounted a new set of 18 TSportLine with Goodyear Assurance Weather Ready (235 45R18). The tires are technically all seasons but sufficiently good enough on snow that they have a snowflake on the sidewall. During the 25 miles doing up I did not have any issue beside few times when I started to slightly loose the rear or the front. The road was very icy! & #x200B I eventually arrived at the Tesla Destination Charger with 37% battery left and to my surprise it was available! I immediately got out and plugged the car and then found out I had a huge amount of snow build up in the wheel arch. The clearance between the tires and the snow was close to zero. To my understanding this can explain why I loss so much range in the last 25 miles. Unfortunately I made the mistake to not immediately clear the snow which would create some issues the next morning. More on that later. & #x200B The Tesla charger at the Bear Valley Lodge is very useful but difficult to use in winter because snow is covering the spots where you can park the car to charge. One of them was also completely broken (most likely a snow plow caught the cable while removing the snow). With no one around and the hotel lobby empty (it was 1:00AM...) I decided to leave the car to get a charge overnight. I did my best to park the Model 3 out of the way and left a note at the reception with my contact details and indicated I would remove the car before 8:00AM. & #x200B Six hours later I got back to my car charged to 90% but covered of snow! It took me a good 45 minutes to dig out the car and move it to another location. If you are wondering I had zero issue with opening the doors and removing the charger. My car is now sitting in a parking lot with 88% battery left. I m very curious to see how much battery it will use with three to four feet of snow expected in the next 36 hours and temperatures that will be around 15°F. & #x200B To conclude on the snow build up in the wheel arch I was surprised to see so much! Because I did not clear it when arriving the snow froze overnight and it was a real pain to remove this morning. It also did slightly push away the liner in one of the rear wheel I will check this closely when I will be back in San Francisco. Has anyone any advice on how to mitigate the snow build up? It s a common issue for sedans but I never had so much! Thanks for reading! & #x200B https: i.redd.it zxtxwf56xsg21.jpg https: i.redd.it u4bq0j56xsg21.jpg https: i.redd.it szp8fb66xsg21.jpg https: i.redd.it shc01g56xsg21.jpg https: i.redd.it dd269y56xsg21.jpg https: i.redd.it 0b693166xsg21.jpg https: i.redd.it 63pzvm66xsg21.jpg & #x200B | Oyinko | 2019-02-15 21:40:55 | 49 | egk4y0s | Great write up and nice color too but I m partial as my 3 is also blue! | Tesla_Model_Y | 2019-02-15 21:52:16 | 11 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
afu1qk | [Discussion] My mother is considering a used Tesla. Any words of advice hindsight I could give her? | She is considering a blue 2014 Model S 85 for 39 000 from Tesla I believe (Not exact on that price point but it was somewhere in the high 30s or low 40s) Options I remember: High Fidelity Sound Napa Leather Bluetooth Backup Camera Something winter package and air suspension Forgive me if I named standard options I am not a Tesla owner. Is there any glaring red flags you guys see in this? It has like 51k miles | Starboy28 | 2019-01-14 09:08:45 | 23 | ee1drjt | For example if you re fine with mileage and can stand to ask them to send you pictures here s an S85 2013 for $26 900. This one says on the dealer s site Signature Performance so it may be a P85 for 26k. [https: www.cargurus.com Cars inventorylisting viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePageModel& newSearchFromOverviewPage=true& inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO& entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c23340& entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c24804& zip=94022& distance=50000& searchChanged=true& modelChanged=false& filtersModified=true#listing=229501116](https: www.cargurus.com Cars inventorylisting viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePageModel& newSearchFromOverviewPage=true& inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO& entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c23340& entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c24804& zip=94022& distance=50000& searchChanged=true& modelChanged=false& filtersModified=true#listing=229501116) | zoltan99 | 2019-01-14 09:20:18 | 5 | Tesla Model 3 Review |
9qq2ds | [Discussion] My opinion on the latest UI in the 9.0 update. | I ve waited as long as possible to post hoping time would change my mind but I ve only come to like the update less and less. I know there have been many under-the-covers improvements (according to the notes I ve read). I m talking solely about the user interface of the new update. Let me start by stating the positive. I like the menu icon at the bottom pulling up the list of activities you can access (Music Phone etc.). With that out of the way everything else in my opinion is a step backwards. Let s start with the map. I don t use the map all of the time. In a daily basis I know how to get from place to place. I don t need the map constantly updating with flashing grey squares (I live in an area with many cellular dead spots). I want to access two features at the same time. Normally that is the Music and the XXX screen. When I m pulling a trailer I like to have the camera up top. This functionality is no longer possible. Additionally I prefer to have the main window at the top so I can quickly glance right to it. With it at the bottom I have to move my head away from the road - less convenient and safe especially when I also have to move my arm to see the lower screen. When I am using the map for navigation I now only have two turns listed. I can t scroll it. I can t see the battery usage expected at the end of my trip. If I tap the directions to expand it (making this information visible) the map shows the full route instead of just keeping it in heads-up driving mode. Another loss of functionality. Moving off of the map the controls screen is much different. In the old UI I kept focus on the “Suspension” screen. I am constantly using it to lower my car to make it easier for my wife to enter and exit the car (those inches help when you have bad hips). Now we get a “Quick Controls” screen that always has focus when going into Controls. What used to be one tap is now two. I d prefer it if these quick controls replaced the new “Music” icon at the bottom since Music is also available on the menu. I don t need Music one tap away when I can control it with steering wheel buttons anyway. Then one of the most frustrating things developers do is remove features that you used to use. Can t seem to have location based Suspension anymore. Finally and most petty because the Calendar icon moved to a menu and is replaced with a generic icon the date is no longer available at a glance. I did t realize how much used it until I didn t have it. All of these changes took place and yet basic much requested improvements were ignored. Navigation can only accept one destination although every other car and navigation system (probably) can do multiple stops. My Prius had this feature 10 years ago. When playing music from my iPhone I don t get a time bar. Again my Prius had this in ‘09 and when I stream music in the Tesla I have a time bar. When I listen to a podcast I will get a random “Album Artwork”. I d rather have the gray music note instead of an image of Hank Williams when I m listening to a Hank Green podcast. Hank Williams is long dead - I m sure he s not recording new podcasts. These changes would be less annoying if one of the most important features was available to my car - the dash cam. My car has both a front and rear camera USB ports etc. Maybe there is a hardware reason for not including it but it is never addressed (at least in anything I ve read). Just feels like another slight to the early adopters of the technology. To top it all off an annoying bug that was previously fixed is back - the garage door opener only works about 25% of the time now. Prior to the update it was flawless (except for a brief period where they had a big which was fixed). But thankfully we can play Asteroids and turn our car into a Santa and Sleigh. So... hurray? | BlueScreenDeath | 2018-10-23 15:32:09 | 12 | e8azclv | > If I tap the directions to expand it (making this information visible) the map shows the full route instead of just keeping it in heads-up driving mode. On the Model S and X the near view remains on the driver s screen at all times when a destination is programmed. > I can t see the battery usage expected at the end of my trip. I miss that too. I believe in 8.x it was something you could set to always show. > I am constantly using it to lower my car to make it easier for my wife to enter and exit the car I get that but surely you can understand that you have a special use case that applies to very few of us. However there is room on that quick controls screen for suspension height which solves your problem without taking away my quick controls screen. > Can t seem to have location based Suspension anymore. I believe mine still raises based on GPS. Are you sure you don t get that message on the driver s screen? I do. > Hank Williams is long dead - I m sure he s not recording new podcasts. Sure he is. He records them at the library at Miskatonic University on the 31st day of the month but you can only access them via the dark web. Let me just say his voice isn t what it used to be. You re using the first release of a major update. I remember how much fun Windows 95 was on launch day... Those were the days. My point being that things get refined and fixed over time. If you expected the first 9.0 version to be the last revision of the interface you were almost certainly incorrect. | majesticjg | 2018-10-23 16:28:56 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7psqw2 | [Discussion] My thoughts on Tesla and the Model 3 issues | I just thought I would share my perspective based on everything I ve been seeing and reading lately in r Teslamotors. I ve been in plenty of forums especially Camaro6 (Chevy Camaro) and a common theme I ve observed is problems get a lot of attention quickly and things start to turn negative. I ordered a 2017 Chevy Camaro SS Convertible and while I was waiting I happily jumped on the Camaro6 forums. I read in horror as there were threads complaining about the front windshield fogging up uncontrollably in any humidity and how people were hounding dealers writing corporate etc. only to be ignored. Just nothing. Chevy wouldn t even dignify the problem with a response. I saw pictures where you could barely see through the windshield from all the fog. I was horrified that I placed so much money down on a new car that was going to be unsafe ($50k). People also talked about water leakage breaking alternators screwy electronics etc. I finally get delivery of my Camaro and it was a very happy day. I live in Virginia Beach which is pretty muggy but I read (on the forum) to just put a cloth down on the dash when I use the air conditioner and my window wouldn t fog. I also had one time where the engine sputtered so I had to bring it into the dealership for warranty repair. They found out it was a wiring harness issue. I had to take another car for a weekend trip because of it and I was pretty bummed. Yes it s a $50 000 car but I just love owning it! I love driving with the top down the power the handling Apple CarPlay and all the technology...I could get hung up on all the little things including having to keep a cloth in my glovebox to place on the dash now and then but I just like the car so much I m willing to overlook it. I guess what I m saying is it s not uncommon when making large purchases to come across issues like this. I ve come to learn that nothing is perfect...people aren t perfect...things never work as planned. But if you re willing to have some patience and respectiveness they ll happily work with you to resolve whatever happens. Tesla is growing super-fast and I imagine they re having quite a few growing pains. As time goes by I think they ll work it out to where they re on par with BMW and Mercedes on customer service and reliability. But in the meantime it s not. I am however very happy to be on a 1-2 year waiting list for something exciting new and different. And while it will have its share of problems I ll just be glad to know that one day I ll have an awesome car! | AlexanderAF | 2018-01-12 00:35:26 | 52 | dsjrpnr | As a former owner of a MB R350 I can tell you that Mercedes is horrible in terms of reliability. Paid a lot of money to buy it and spent a lot more to keep it operational. Reasons why I m interested in a Tesla vehicle are hopefully less maintenance issues and hopefully a better customer service experience. | pacopacifico | 2018-01-12 00:53:52 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9l4apn | [Discussion] NANT Energy s Zinc Air battery achieves $100 kWh price. Tesla has also committed to this price point. What are the primary differences between these two battery techs? | NANT Energy s Zinc Air battery achieves $100 kWh price. Tesla has also committed to this price point. What are the primary differences between these two battery techs? Cobalt appears to be the biggest environmental threat in current battery tech. Tesla has very low Cobalt usage in their current battery packs and are committing to eliminating it completely in the next gen. If cobalt is removed from the debate how does Tesla s Lithium Ion stack up against NANT s Zinc Air? https: nantenergy.com technology *Edit* changed flair to Powerpack I get this isn t ideal for car use but how does it stack against Powerpack Powerwall? | gm7cadd9 | 2018-10-03 19:11:06 | 15 | e73wovw | https: batteryuniversity.com learn article bu_217_summary_table_of_alternate_batteries Zinc air batteries have a life cycle of...... 1 cycle (under Comments row). | 100PctLurkerSince09 | 2018-10-03 19:27:55 | 9 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
9l4apn | [Discussion] NANT Energy s Zinc Air battery achieves $100 kWh price. Tesla has also committed to this price point. What are the primary differences between these two battery techs? | NANT Energy s Zinc Air battery achieves $100 kWh price. Tesla has also committed to this price point. What are the primary differences between these two battery techs? Cobalt appears to be the biggest environmental threat in current battery tech. Tesla has very low Cobalt usage in their current battery packs and are committing to eliminating it completely in the next gen. If cobalt is removed from the debate how does Tesla s Lithium Ion stack up against NANT s Zinc Air? https: nantenergy.com technology *Edit* changed flair to Powerpack I get this isn t ideal for car use but how does it stack against Powerpack Powerwall? | gm7cadd9 | 2018-10-03 19:11:06 | 15 | e73wde8 | Zinc Air batteries are very interesting. They have higher energy densities higher specific energies and are cheaper to produce. I couldn t find a direct answer on why they aren t as popular as Lithium Ions but I m assuming its because in order to work they require air. Unlike lithium ions zinc air batteries use air as one of the reactants to produce electricity. I m guessing that is why they aren t as viable. It might require an active intake system to make them work as well as the lithium ions currently found in Teslas. This info is based off of wikipedia. [https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Zinc–air\_battery](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Zinc–air_battery) | tp1996 | 2018-10-03 19:23:40 | 5 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
8c98a6 | [Discussion] NEMA 14-50 vs HPWC for LR MODEL 3 | I m struggling between getting a HPWC or simply getting a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed in my garage. I was originally going to go with the HPWC for my Long range model 3 which should arrive in a month or two. Despite the amperage difference the model 3 would not be able to take advantage of it much anyway and you d need a dual-charger S X to get the full amperage. I understand that for purely overnight charging the difference (for Model 3) in NEMA 14-50 and HPWC is negligible - and lets assume for simplification that I do not plan on getting an S or X in the next 4 years. I m wondering that for quick top-offs of power at home lets say after work before going out for the evening how much % (or km mi) would I have gained if I used a HPWC instead of a NEMA 14-50? It isn t as simple as it sounds to find this figure because the charge rate is not linear as we all know. Can a current Model 3 owner give feedback on if their NEMA 14-50 is fast enough or if they know for a fact that for charges at home for a few hours (3-4h before heading out for the evening) would be better off with a HPWC? Thanks tl dr for a charge of 3 to 4 hours starting at about 50% before going out for a night what is the difference in km or miles gained during that charge between NEMA 14-50 and a HPWC? | iPhone6God | 2018-04-14 18:00:07 | 14 | dxd4exi | An additional consideration point in general (applies to S X as well) is that using a NEMA 14-50 would require using your one mobile charging cable. Thus -- -- You would want to leave your cable plugged in to the outlet so as to not need to plug un-plug it every time (wear and tear issue not to mention it s faster to set it up this way). -- If you ever take a trip or find yourself in need of an emergency charge you would want to have the charging cable IN YOUR CAR. -- Therefore you would really want to buy a second cable one to keep connected to the NEMA 14-50 and one to always keep in your car. -- Therefore since a second cable is nearly the same price as the HPWC it s just easier to buy the HPWC and have it all built-in with the faster charging speed. This was the line of thought that ruled out a NEMA 14-50 for me. | venture70 | 2018-04-14 18:41:06 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8c98a6 | [Discussion] NEMA 14-50 vs HPWC for LR MODEL 3 | I m struggling between getting a HPWC or simply getting a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed in my garage. I was originally going to go with the HPWC for my Long range model 3 which should arrive in a month or two. Despite the amperage difference the model 3 would not be able to take advantage of it much anyway and you d need a dual-charger S X to get the full amperage. I understand that for purely overnight charging the difference (for Model 3) in NEMA 14-50 and HPWC is negligible - and lets assume for simplification that I do not plan on getting an S or X in the next 4 years. I m wondering that for quick top-offs of power at home lets say after work before going out for the evening how much % (or km mi) would I have gained if I used a HPWC instead of a NEMA 14-50? It isn t as simple as it sounds to find this figure because the charge rate is not linear as we all know. Can a current Model 3 owner give feedback on if their NEMA 14-50 is fast enough or if they know for a fact that for charges at home for a few hours (3-4h before heading out for the evening) would be better off with a HPWC? Thanks tl dr for a charge of 3 to 4 hours starting at about 50% before going out for a night what is the difference in km or miles gained during that charge between NEMA 14-50 and a HPWC? | iPhone6God | 2018-04-14 18:00:07 | 14 | dxd8bv7 | Save the $500 and stick to the 14-50. You aren t going to get much benefit from the HPWC s few extra amps and you re not actually going to need to top off after work unless you have a 200 mile commute (trust me). Some are saying that it s worth it because of the extra wall connector that hasn t been my experience. You don t need to take your wall connector with you to work everyday or around the town. You have plenty of range so you can just leave it plugged in at home. Even if you did pull into a level 2 charger and want to charge while at dinner or something the charger will have a plug on it already. The only time I take mine with me is on road trips. If it somehow becomes a problem a second mobile connector is cheaper then a HPWC. | silverwolfe08 | 2018-04-14 19:50:58 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
8c98a6 | [Discussion] NEMA 14-50 vs HPWC for LR MODEL 3 | I m struggling between getting a HPWC or simply getting a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed in my garage. I was originally going to go with the HPWC for my Long range model 3 which should arrive in a month or two. Despite the amperage difference the model 3 would not be able to take advantage of it much anyway and you d need a dual-charger S X to get the full amperage. I understand that for purely overnight charging the difference (for Model 3) in NEMA 14-50 and HPWC is negligible - and lets assume for simplification that I do not plan on getting an S or X in the next 4 years. I m wondering that for quick top-offs of power at home lets say after work before going out for the evening how much % (or km mi) would I have gained if I used a HPWC instead of a NEMA 14-50? It isn t as simple as it sounds to find this figure because the charge rate is not linear as we all know. Can a current Model 3 owner give feedback on if their NEMA 14-50 is fast enough or if they know for a fact that for charges at home for a few hours (3-4h before heading out for the evening) would be better off with a HPWC? Thanks tl dr for a charge of 3 to 4 hours starting at about 50% before going out for a night what is the difference in km or miles gained during that charge between NEMA 14-50 and a HPWC? | iPhone6God | 2018-04-14 18:00:07 | 14 | dxdk70o | I am very happy with my 14-50 for my model 3. I was considering the wall charger but already had a 14-50 available so figured I d see how it goes with my mobile cable. I get 30mph charging at 32A which means 3 hours or less to recoup my typically 75 miles day of driving. Even on empty it should substantially recharge overnight. So last week I decided to double down and ordered a second mobile cable and wall hook which gives me the convenience of the wall charger and can keep the original cable in the car. | venividifugi | 2018-04-14 23:30:56 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
88xx0m | [Discussion] NTSB is working with Tesla on the Model X crash. NTSB also investigated a Jan 16 crash in which the exact same gore point barricade was struck by a Greyhound bus a crash so violent the bus upended. NTSB findings then may give clues. | NTSB warned CalTrans and to this day no improvement in safety markings. Here was the news coverage of the eerily similar course of events and NTSB findings then. Really raises questions about CalTrans role on proactively improving the safety of that zone after past NTSB report. News Coverage: https: www.mercurynews.com 2017 03 28 san-jose-ntsb-blames-fatal-2016-greyhound-bus-crash-on-inadequate-road-markings NTSB Report Conclusion and Recommendations: https: www.scribd.com document 343415717 San-Jose-bus-crash | Derfein | 2018-04-02 08:50:44 | 235 | dwo25ub | Thats interesting if it really is so dangerous even for drivers without autopilot.. | JJJandak | 2018-04-02 10:31:39 | 50 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
88xx0m | [Discussion] NTSB is working with Tesla on the Model X crash. NTSB also investigated a Jan 16 crash in which the exact same gore point barricade was struck by a Greyhound bus a crash so violent the bus upended. NTSB findings then may give clues. | NTSB warned CalTrans and to this day no improvement in safety markings. Here was the news coverage of the eerily similar course of events and NTSB findings then. Really raises questions about CalTrans role on proactively improving the safety of that zone after past NTSB report. News Coverage: https: www.mercurynews.com 2017 03 28 san-jose-ntsb-blames-fatal-2016-greyhound-bus-crash-on-inadequate-road-markings NTSB Report Conclusion and Recommendations: https: www.scribd.com document 343415717 San-Jose-bus-crash | Derfein | 2018-04-02 08:50:44 | 235 | dwoj9ni | The Greyhound crash did not occur at the exact same gore point barricade. It happened at a completely different 101 85 interchange that just happens to be almost identical to the one where the Tesla crash occurred. Highways 101 and 85 meet at multiple points. The Tesla crash occurred [here](https: www.google.com maps @37.4106233 -122.0750036 3a 75y 117.48h 90t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNrCppnEbkIT7JYlxtujW1Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) in Mountain View. The Greyhound crash appears to have occurred [here](https: www.google.com maps @37.2383082 -121.7625812 3a 75y 305.55h 84.55t data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s214S1pzH-TXrFJNF_q42YQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in South San Jose. That said the two interchanges are virtually identical and Caltrans s negligence was clearly a major factor in each crash (especially since they ignored the NTSB s recommendations after the Greyhound crash). | yaypie | 2018-04-02 16:45:40 | 32 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
88xx0m | [Discussion] NTSB is working with Tesla on the Model X crash. NTSB also investigated a Jan 16 crash in which the exact same gore point barricade was struck by a Greyhound bus a crash so violent the bus upended. NTSB findings then may give clues. | NTSB warned CalTrans and to this day no improvement in safety markings. Here was the news coverage of the eerily similar course of events and NTSB findings then. Really raises questions about CalTrans role on proactively improving the safety of that zone after past NTSB report. News Coverage: https: www.mercurynews.com 2017 03 28 san-jose-ntsb-blames-fatal-2016-greyhound-bus-crash-on-inadequate-road-markings NTSB Report Conclusion and Recommendations: https: www.scribd.com document 343415717 San-Jose-bus-crash | Derfein | 2018-04-02 08:50:44 | 235 | dwo5rc7 | It s funny that I never heard about this one in the news. | That_Vegan_EV_Guy | 2018-04-02 12:34:32 | 23 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
88xx0m | [Discussion] NTSB is working with Tesla on the Model X crash. NTSB also investigated a Jan 16 crash in which the exact same gore point barricade was struck by a Greyhound bus a crash so violent the bus upended. NTSB findings then may give clues. | NTSB warned CalTrans and to this day no improvement in safety markings. Here was the news coverage of the eerily similar course of events and NTSB findings then. Really raises questions about CalTrans role on proactively improving the safety of that zone after past NTSB report. News Coverage: https: www.mercurynews.com 2017 03 28 san-jose-ntsb-blames-fatal-2016-greyhound-bus-crash-on-inadequate-road-markings NTSB Report Conclusion and Recommendations: https: www.scribd.com document 343415717 San-Jose-bus-crash | Derfein | 2018-04-02 08:50:44 | 235 | dwo4ihr | It s unfortunate that these corner cases for autonomy seem to reveal themselves only after a death but maybe that s the ugly path to progress. | RobertFahey | 2018-04-02 11:58:16 | 13 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9nn1ru | [Discussion] Navigation to all superchargers? | When you use the navigation system to plot a trip it automatically shows you the supercharging spots on the way (good) but it does not allow you (as best I can tell) to easily insert additional supercharging stops in between. By default it tries to navigate using the fewest number of stops **technically** possible. If you drive the suggested route you can often end up with range anxiety long charge times and possibly even warning messages to slow down to make it. Many of us like to stop and charge more frequently but for much shorter period of times. Is there any way to easily insert additional supercharging spots onto an existing route? I have been just manually navigating from one supercharger to the next on long trips and that is very annoying. This seems like such and obvious and simple feature to add. Am I just missing how to do it? | jratcliff63367 | 2018-10-12 18:59:03 | 18 | e7nibrs | Waypoints have been missing for a long time. Hoping they re added soon. | Morder | 2018-10-12 19:09:54 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9nn1ru | [Discussion] Navigation to all superchargers? | When you use the navigation system to plot a trip it automatically shows you the supercharging spots on the way (good) but it does not allow you (as best I can tell) to easily insert additional supercharging stops in between. By default it tries to navigate using the fewest number of stops **technically** possible. If you drive the suggested route you can often end up with range anxiety long charge times and possibly even warning messages to slow down to make it. Many of us like to stop and charge more frequently but for much shorter period of times. Is there any way to easily insert additional supercharging spots onto an existing route? I have been just manually navigating from one supercharger to the next on long trips and that is very annoying. This seems like such and obvious and simple feature to add. Am I just missing how to do it? | jratcliff63367 | 2018-10-12 18:59:03 | 18 | e7nizwv | Having done some pretty long trips I have found the correct formula to be letting it pick the charging locations but stay an extra 5 - 10 minutes to build yourself a buffer. When I get the notification on my phone that I have enough charge to continue that s when I start heading back to the car. The worst though is when it says you can make it non-stop but you don t want to because you know you re going to need food drink restrooms on the way anyway. Then you re hunting all over the map to try to find a supercharger on the route with amenities. | majesticjg | 2018-10-12 19:19:37 | 6 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9nn1ru | [Discussion] Navigation to all superchargers? | When you use the navigation system to plot a trip it automatically shows you the supercharging spots on the way (good) but it does not allow you (as best I can tell) to easily insert additional supercharging stops in between. By default it tries to navigate using the fewest number of stops **technically** possible. If you drive the suggested route you can often end up with range anxiety long charge times and possibly even warning messages to slow down to make it. Many of us like to stop and charge more frequently but for much shorter period of times. Is there any way to easily insert additional supercharging spots onto an existing route? I have been just manually navigating from one supercharger to the next on long trips and that is very annoying. This seems like such and obvious and simple feature to add. Am I just missing how to do it? | jratcliff63367 | 2018-10-12 18:59:03 | 18 | e7nidpa | We just make the stops we want and let Navigation adjust afterwards. | duke_of_alinor | 2018-10-12 19:10:39 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
ayys4j | [Discussion] New Autopilot Live | Seems like I have the new Autopilot now. Some details on the process: & #x200B 1) Was on 2018.50.6 for the longest time 2) Purchased through My Tesla Account website on March 4th evening (pretty much as soon as it was posted here) 3) No confirmation Email but credit card pre-authorized for the charge 4) Tesla Motors transaction posted on Credit Card March 6th 5) Called Tesla Owners line to say ? 6) Told new payment system is causing issues should have the update the next night (VIN in queue and escalated) 7) Got a 70MB package according to router yesterday night (March 7th) 8) Woke up this morning March 8th to no update Car downloaded 2019.5.15 and I installed at around 8am 9) Another call to Onwer line to say ? 10) Response: Checking into it and they said IT issue they are working on it 11) Magically now have AP as of 7pm (driving earlier in the day an no AP up to 4pm) No Auto Lane Change (about 80% sure as roads are bad and I ll test again another time tried holding the stalk down as well as one deep push nothing... if I hold it down and change lanes I can see a greyed dashed line but have to reactivate AP after I m in the new lane). | charging_forward | 2019-03-09 02:49:57 | 24 | ei47ni1 | mine is stuck on... Autopilot Trial Software update in progress. | ergmda | 2019-03-09 03:06:08 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
awuhfb | [Discussion] New Autopilot pricing Beginning next month... | In Tesla s announcement about the new autopilot FSD pricing for existing owners (https: www.tesla.com blog upgrading-autopilot-and-full-self-driving-capability) the final paragraph says Beginning next month any existing customer who wants to upgrade to Autopilot or Full Self-Driving capability will be able to do so with a one-click payment. Technically it shouldn t take a month to modify the website etc. to allow people to buy this. Are they trying to shift the revenue that will come from existing owners buying the upgrade into the 2nd quarter? EDIT: As someone pointed out Elon said on Twitter that the new pricing should show up in a few days (https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1101741213722525697). So maybe the beginning next month... is for making the payment process more streamlined via the app or car instead of the website. | simplicio_MA | 2019-03-03 14:33:59 | 16 | ehpf0go | What s the big rush to fork over more money for something that doesn t exist yet? My question is for how long can we upgrade from EAP to FSD for 2k? I d rather delay until there are actual FSD features. | JFreader | 2019-03-03 16:27:19 | 23 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
awuhfb | [Discussion] New Autopilot pricing Beginning next month... | In Tesla s announcement about the new autopilot FSD pricing for existing owners (https: www.tesla.com blog upgrading-autopilot-and-full-self-driving-capability) the final paragraph says Beginning next month any existing customer who wants to upgrade to Autopilot or Full Self-Driving capability will be able to do so with a one-click payment. Technically it shouldn t take a month to modify the website etc. to allow people to buy this. Are they trying to shift the revenue that will come from existing owners buying the upgrade into the 2nd quarter? EDIT: As someone pointed out Elon said on Twitter that the new pricing should show up in a few days (https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1101741213722525697). So maybe the beginning next month... is for making the payment process more streamlined via the app or car instead of the website. | simplicio_MA | 2019-03-03 14:33:59 | 16 | ehp7lyg | I ordered FSD yesterday with one click under my “manage” account. It showed up as being installed in the car | Jamesmiddy | 2019-03-03 14:38:31 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
awuhfb | [Discussion] New Autopilot pricing Beginning next month... | In Tesla s announcement about the new autopilot FSD pricing for existing owners (https: www.tesla.com blog upgrading-autopilot-and-full-self-driving-capability) the final paragraph says Beginning next month any existing customer who wants to upgrade to Autopilot or Full Self-Driving capability will be able to do so with a one-click payment. Technically it shouldn t take a month to modify the website etc. to allow people to buy this. Are they trying to shift the revenue that will come from existing owners buying the upgrade into the 2nd quarter? EDIT: As someone pointed out Elon said on Twitter that the new pricing should show up in a few days (https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1101741213722525697). So maybe the beginning next month... is for making the payment process more streamlined via the app or car instead of the website. | simplicio_MA | 2019-03-03 14:33:59 | 16 | ehp7hn4 | Good call. Maybe? They know Q1 wont be profitable so make it a huge Q2? | hoppeeness | 2019-03-03 14:36:38 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8m7prk | [Discussion] New Executive Hires & Battery News - Bigger than I think most people realize... | The media and just about everyone and their mother did their best to make a major deal out of executive departures. I believe the executive hires deserve just as much attention. This was a significant development that I believe also sheds some light on the media. - Notice how the media was quick to tell us about all the people leaving Tesla? Very little time passed between when the person left and when the news was out. It was as if you had people actively looking for anything to fit their narrative about executive departures. - According to the Tesla blog release today some of these hires happened as long as a month ago. Do you think those same reporters didn t come across some of that executive hiring information in their searches? Perhaps since it doesn t fit their narrative they chose to omit that bit of information... They were sure on top of any executives leaving though...maybe those stories wouldn t have had as much of an impact if they also included the and hires XXX from Apple and Amazon part... Also...battery news... Funny seeing people talk about them flying out the system from Germany to save time. They talk cash burn (such a BS word btw) every moment of their lives and then when Tesla attempts to minimize cash burn they criticize it as wasteful. People need to make up their damn minds...can t have it both ways... People act like they didn t do an opportunity cost analysis and determine they lose more by having it shipped slowly than by having it moved quicker so it can get up and running and producing revenue... Anyway... I was told that the battery factory would never become anything more than a Potemkin village over the past 3 years by every short seller that could get their face on TV. To see how much progress has been made since the beginning of this year is impressive. This is the real deal. Tesla has this now. Not in 2022 2025 2030...they have it now. This is a major stepping stone in Tesla controlling its own destiny. It seems like 6 000 units a week will be a real possibility come the 1st of July. It may end up only having been operating at that speed for 5 6 or 7 days with an average of 3 000 week over the quarter but that doesn t lessen the importance of it. Tesla is quickly approaching a 2 000 week S X and 6 000 week Model 3 run rates. That is a 400 000 Year run rate. When we hit this point in the next 2 months we will be able to look back just 6 months prior and see a 100 000 Year run rate. So we ve gone from ~20k units in 2013 to ~30k units in 2014 to ~50k units in 2015 to ~80k units in 2016 to ~100k units in 2017...and we may be at a ~400k unit run rate by middle of 2018... What s that I hear? Oh it s just the faint sound of Elon saying exponential growth and the faint screams of shorts yelling BUT IT WAS 6 MONTHS LATE... | toxicsquared | 2018-05-26 04:17:16 | 57 | dzmd7ed | Nailed it. And the other thing? People keep pointing out how you can buy a Chevy Bolt *now.* True. But could Chevy ***sell*** half a million tomorrow if they could make them? | shaggy99 | 2018-05-26 18:44:37 | 8 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9nwe5v | [Discussion] New Model 3 V9 AC airflow control doesn t allow single stream to sides | So when I posted about my “inside info” on the new V9 AC UI a month or so ago I was super excited (some would say too much). Now that I got V9 this AM I do like it overall but can t figure out a way to point a vent to the left or right without it going into split mode air flow. This was possible with the old UI. My guess is they tried to simplify the UI and remove that option (how very Apple of them) but it was useful for me. My main reason for wanting this back is the fact that you can t shut off the passenger airflow completely I usually just blow it over towards me so I can not push the AC as hard. But now if I do that it will blow have towards driver side and half towards the passenger window probably fogging it up. Anyone figure out a way to do this in new UI or should I do an in car bug report to hope the feature is added back in the future? | dizzy113 | 2018-10-13 19:13:00 | 57 | e7pt0fc | Yeah.. while the new AC thing looks pretty I miss the old system. They DEFINITELY need to color the streams. I hate not knowing if it s on AC or HEAT | dinozero | 2018-10-13 22:28:22 | 28 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
9nwe5v | [Discussion] New Model 3 V9 AC airflow control doesn t allow single stream to sides | So when I posted about my “inside info” on the new V9 AC UI a month or so ago I was super excited (some would say too much). Now that I got V9 this AM I do like it overall but can t figure out a way to point a vent to the left or right without it going into split mode air flow. This was possible with the old UI. My guess is they tried to simplify the UI and remove that option (how very Apple of them) but it was useful for me. My main reason for wanting this back is the fact that you can t shut off the passenger airflow completely I usually just blow it over towards me so I can not push the AC as hard. But now if I do that it will blow have towards driver side and half towards the passenger window probably fogging it up. Anyone figure out a way to do this in new UI or should I do an in car bug report to hope the feature is added back in the future? | dizzy113 | 2018-10-13 19:13:00 | 57 | e7pmix7 | I need to write Tesla and request this feature be reinstated. | That_Vegan_EV_Guy | 2018-10-13 20:45:36 | 20 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
9nwe5v | [Discussion] New Model 3 V9 AC airflow control doesn t allow single stream to sides | So when I posted about my “inside info” on the new V9 AC UI a month or so ago I was super excited (some would say too much). Now that I got V9 this AM I do like it overall but can t figure out a way to point a vent to the left or right without it going into split mode air flow. This was possible with the old UI. My guess is they tried to simplify the UI and remove that option (how very Apple of them) but it was useful for me. My main reason for wanting this back is the fact that you can t shut off the passenger airflow completely I usually just blow it over towards me so I can not push the AC as hard. But now if I do that it will blow have towards driver side and half towards the passenger window probably fogging it up. Anyone figure out a way to do this in new UI or should I do an in car bug report to hope the feature is added back in the future? | dizzy113 | 2018-10-13 19:13:00 | 57 | e7pizs9 | Actually never thought about how this feature is now missing. I don t really care but just curious that it s removed. They should make it so that you need to multi-touch to ‘split the airflow and then you can pinch it back together. Like how you zoom in and out of a map. | tp1996 | 2018-10-13 19:50:16 | 14 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
9nwe5v | [Discussion] New Model 3 V9 AC airflow control doesn t allow single stream to sides | So when I posted about my “inside info” on the new V9 AC UI a month or so ago I was super excited (some would say too much). Now that I got V9 this AM I do like it overall but can t figure out a way to point a vent to the left or right without it going into split mode air flow. This was possible with the old UI. My guess is they tried to simplify the UI and remove that option (how very Apple of them) but it was useful for me. My main reason for wanting this back is the fact that you can t shut off the passenger airflow completely I usually just blow it over towards me so I can not push the AC as hard. But now if I do that it will blow have towards driver side and half towards the passenger window probably fogging it up. Anyone figure out a way to do this in new UI or should I do an in car bug report to hope the feature is added back in the future? | dizzy113 | 2018-10-13 19:13:00 | 57 | e7pvl1k | The entire climate control UI refresh is terrible. It s become less usable in just about every way. Even the graphics don t align with the minimal UI of the rest of the OS. I suspect someone else recently got put in charge of it and they aren t as user-experience-oriented as Musk (who drove a lot of the original UI design) | 1q2w3 | 2018-10-13 23:10:21 | 13 | Tesla HVAC Functionality |
avlj9o | [Discussion] New Software Version- Possible HW3 | While I anxiously await sentry mode and monitor the rollout via TeslaFi I noticed something a little [funky](https: imgur.com a lEYElQ6). Two Tesla s in California received a new software update entitled “terminal HW3-mileage” anyone have any insight as to what that could be or mean? Both came from 2019.5.2 so it looks like they re Early Access Beta if not Alpha testers. Having paid for FSD I d be pumped if Thursday s (tomorrow) announcement was about new HW3 chips. Edit: both updates have since been removed from TeslaFi. | Packerfan735 | 2019-02-28 02:04:57 | 58 | ehg155j | I feel quite positively tomorrow s announcement will be about HW3. From what I ve read 2019.5.2 had some sweet features outside of Dog Sentry mode that also required an app update that we haven t heard about yet. With this version showing up in TeslaFI this leads me to believe the HW3 details + FSD features will be announced tomorrow. | Kev1000000 | 2019-02-28 02:09:44 | 27 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
avlj9o | [Discussion] New Software Version- Possible HW3 | While I anxiously await sentry mode and monitor the rollout via TeslaFi I noticed something a little [funky](https: imgur.com a lEYElQ6). Two Tesla s in California received a new software update entitled “terminal HW3-mileage” anyone have any insight as to what that could be or mean? Both came from 2019.5.2 so it looks like they re Early Access Beta if not Alpha testers. Having paid for FSD I d be pumped if Thursday s (tomorrow) announcement was about new HW3 chips. Edit: both updates have since been removed from TeslaFi. | Packerfan735 | 2019-02-28 02:04:57 | 58 | ehg1ljr | I was able to grab a screenshot of it...and got auto-mod blocked trying to post it here... [https: imgur.com a yH7jzwe](https: imgur.com a yH7jzwe) | luketravisellis | 2019-02-28 02:15:44 | 20 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
avlj9o | [Discussion] New Software Version- Possible HW3 | While I anxiously await sentry mode and monitor the rollout via TeslaFi I noticed something a little [funky](https: imgur.com a lEYElQ6). Two Tesla s in California received a new software update entitled “terminal HW3-mileage” anyone have any insight as to what that could be or mean? Both came from 2019.5.2 so it looks like they re Early Access Beta if not Alpha testers. Having paid for FSD I d be pumped if Thursday s (tomorrow) announcement was about new HW3 chips. Edit: both updates have since been removed from TeslaFi. | Packerfan735 | 2019-02-28 02:04:57 | 58 | ehg4gim | What makes me think that the announcement is a physical event is because he said “California” I mean if it was just some HW3 software announcement they could just release a blog post or share it on Twitter. I strongly believe that there is some event going on tomorrow or else why specify a location. Thoughts? | geniuzdesign | 2019-02-28 02:53:46 | 15 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
avlj9o | [Discussion] New Software Version- Possible HW3 | While I anxiously await sentry mode and monitor the rollout via TeslaFi I noticed something a little [funky](https: imgur.com a lEYElQ6). Two Tesla s in California received a new software update entitled “terminal HW3-mileage” anyone have any insight as to what that could be or mean? Both came from 2019.5.2 so it looks like they re Early Access Beta if not Alpha testers. Having paid for FSD I d be pumped if Thursday s (tomorrow) announcement was about new HW3 chips. Edit: both updates have since been removed from TeslaFi. | Packerfan735 | 2019-02-28 02:04:57 | 58 | ehg3y13 | That s either A) TeslaFi trolling us all B) a mistake by an early tester who shouldn t be using TeslaFi Or C) Tesla “accidentally” leaking something for hype | Ihaveamodel3 | 2019-02-28 02:46:55 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
avlj9o | [Discussion] New Software Version- Possible HW3 | While I anxiously await sentry mode and monitor the rollout via TeslaFi I noticed something a little [funky](https: imgur.com a lEYElQ6). Two Tesla s in California received a new software update entitled “terminal HW3-mileage” anyone have any insight as to what that could be or mean? Both came from 2019.5.2 so it looks like they re Early Access Beta if not Alpha testers. Having paid for FSD I d be pumped if Thursday s (tomorrow) announcement was about new HW3 chips. Edit: both updates have since been removed from TeslaFi. | Packerfan735 | 2019-02-28 02:04:57 | 58 | ehgbpg9 | Another Theory: Berkshire is going to make an [Elephant Sized Purchase](https: www.cnbc.com 2019 02 23 warren-buffett-wants-to-make-an-elephant-sized-purchase-but-says-prices-are-sky-high.html) and back Tesla. | allhands | 2019-02-28 04:32:37 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
avlj9o | [Discussion] New Software Version- Possible HW3 | While I anxiously await sentry mode and monitor the rollout via TeslaFi I noticed something a little [funky](https: imgur.com a lEYElQ6). Two Tesla s in California received a new software update entitled “terminal HW3-mileage” anyone have any insight as to what that could be or mean? Both came from 2019.5.2 so it looks like they re Early Access Beta if not Alpha testers. Having paid for FSD I d be pumped if Thursday s (tomorrow) announcement was about new HW3 chips. Edit: both updates have since been removed from TeslaFi. | Packerfan735 | 2019-02-28 02:04:57 | 58 | ehg267c | Have any of the new nomenclature S X been delivered yet? If not it would make sense if they include HW3 and it gets announced tomorrow right as deliveries are starting. At least that s my opinion. | camthehombre | 2019-02-28 02:23:18 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
avlj9o | [Discussion] New Software Version- Possible HW3 | While I anxiously await sentry mode and monitor the rollout via TeslaFi I noticed something a little [funky](https: imgur.com a lEYElQ6). Two Tesla s in California received a new software update entitled “terminal HW3-mileage” anyone have any insight as to what that could be or mean? Both came from 2019.5.2 so it looks like they re Early Access Beta if not Alpha testers. Having paid for FSD I d be pumped if Thursday s (tomorrow) announcement was about new HW3 chips. Edit: both updates have since been removed from TeslaFi. | Packerfan735 | 2019-02-28 02:04:57 | 58 | ehh1wzw | The fact that it disappeared off TeslaFi is in and of itself interesting. Does that suggest Tesla reached out to the guy that runs the site and told him to yank them? That implies a high level of importance to them no? Or maybe the owners of the vehicles are employees or beta testers and reached out themselves to attempt to avoid losing their jobs for disclosing something they shouldn t? | Kidd_Funkadelic | 2019-02-28 13:49:31 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8c21k7 | [Discussion] New batch of invites today??? | Just got an email to configure though I can t configure when I log in. Really hoping it s not some error. Online 3 31 pre-reveal reservation east coast. Edit: took a few minutes but now I can configure! | jonnygozy | 2018-04-13 19:48:21 | 66 | dxbgx32 | I was just invited to configure today (and the website works). Non owner online reservation made on March 31st (don t remember what time). East coast. My estimate was May-July. | redphan | 2018-04-13 20:02:29 | 9 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8c21k7 | [Discussion] New batch of invites today??? | Just got an email to configure though I can t configure when I log in. Really hoping it s not some error. Online 3 31 pre-reveal reservation east coast. Edit: took a few minutes but now I can configure! | jonnygozy | 2018-04-13 19:48:21 | 66 | dxbg7rr | Hey that s what s happening to me! Maybe something hasn t updated yet? I also ordered online 3 31 the second online orders went live. I m not in a super rush to order anyways but would love to see the ability to configure in my account! Edit: I can configure now so just wait a little while if you received the email. | Skylake1987 | 2018-04-13 19:51:51 | 6 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8c21k7 | [Discussion] New batch of invites today??? | Just got an email to configure though I can t configure when I log in. Really hoping it s not some error. Online 3 31 pre-reveal reservation east coast. Edit: took a few minutes but now I can configure! | jonnygozy | 2018-04-13 19:48:21 | 66 | dxbjaqe | I just got my invite west coast here. So it s not just east coast. | dojugoo | 2018-04-13 20:40:20 | 6 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8c21k7 | [Discussion] New batch of invites today??? | Just got an email to configure though I can t configure when I log in. Really hoping it s not some error. Online 3 31 pre-reveal reservation east coast. Edit: took a few minutes but now I can configure! | jonnygozy | 2018-04-13 19:48:21 | 66 | dxbmloj | West coast here put my order down as soon as the system went live and nothing. April-June estimate. Cmon Elon I m 20 miles from the factory | cool_BUD | 2018-04-13 21:34:43 | 6 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8c21k7 | [Discussion] New batch of invites today??? | Just got an email to configure though I can t configure when I log in. Really hoping it s not some error. Online 3 31 pre-reveal reservation east coast. Edit: took a few minutes but now I can configure! | jonnygozy | 2018-04-13 19:48:21 | 66 | dxbmnon | Just got mine INSTANT VIN #183xx. Lousiana online before reveal. Today is a good day. Wife got the email and not me though was quite a surprise from her. | TheMrRyanHimself | 2018-04-13 21:35:38 | 6 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8c21k7 | [Discussion] New batch of invites today??? | Just got an email to configure though I can t configure when I log in. Really hoping it s not some error. Online 3 31 pre-reveal reservation east coast. Edit: took a few minutes but now I can configure! | jonnygozy | 2018-04-13 19:48:21 | 66 | dxbjzek | I just got my invite! White w aero everything but the FSD. Can t wait! Woooo!!!!! edit: non-owner preordered at 1030PM the day of announcement EST online. double edit: my estimate was originally Dec- Feb then Jan - Mar and finally Apr - Jun. | sexpotchuli | 2018-04-13 20:51:09 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8c21k7 | [Discussion] New batch of invites today??? | Just got an email to configure though I can t configure when I log in. Really hoping it s not some error. Online 3 31 pre-reveal reservation east coast. Edit: took a few minutes but now I can configure! | jonnygozy | 2018-04-13 19:48:21 | 66 | dxbuon6 | I m so perplexed by this process. No invite yet: Outer Seattle area non-owner reserved online pre-reveal at no later than 7:30pm PST 03 31 (according to Amex timestamp). Apr-Jun estimate for first production. I see from the spreadsheet that people allegedly in my area and who reserved after me got their invite today. The times based on areas made sense (e.g. I can buy into 10pm CA people getting it before line waiters in other regions) but this just feels like they re pulling people out of a hat at this point. I must Summon the patience. | LaserChicken | 2018-04-13 23:59:34 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8ojk6k | [Discussion] New iOS 12 Features - Siri Shortcuts. Does Tesla usually update quickly for new features? | Siri Shortcuts will allow you to say a phrase like Start my AC and it could turn on your car s AC. Also you could say a phrase like Heading home and it could start your car start your music app start your AC at home and pull up the maps app. Has the Tesla app been good about updating with new iOS features in the past? I would love for this to be integrated. If not I know Tesla supports 3rd party applications so it would be possible to integrate with this directly. | Flames5123 | 2018-06-04 18:20:01 | 50 | e03uje3 | Siri start my car actually works with the Tesla app right now about 80% of the time for me on iOS 11 | WhyDontTheyAMA | 2018-06-04 18:45:01 | 15 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8ojk6k | [Discussion] New iOS 12 Features - Siri Shortcuts. Does Tesla usually update quickly for new features? | Siri Shortcuts will allow you to say a phrase like Start my AC and it could turn on your car s AC. Also you could say a phrase like Heading home and it could start your car start your music app start your AC at home and pull up the maps app. Has the Tesla app been good about updating with new iOS features in the past? I would love for this to be integrated. If not I know Tesla supports 3rd party applications so it would be possible to integrate with this directly. | Flames5123 | 2018-06-04 18:20:01 | 50 | e03xt7r | I just want an apple watch app to be able to unlock the Model 3 instead of having to have the phone with me when going for a run... | Eldanon | 2018-06-04 19:32:28 | 12 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8ojk6k | [Discussion] New iOS 12 Features - Siri Shortcuts. Does Tesla usually update quickly for new features? | Siri Shortcuts will allow you to say a phrase like Start my AC and it could turn on your car s AC. Also you could say a phrase like Heading home and it could start your car start your music app start your AC at home and pull up the maps app. Has the Tesla app been good about updating with new iOS features in the past? I would love for this to be integrated. If not I know Tesla supports 3rd party applications so it would be possible to integrate with this directly. | Flames5123 | 2018-06-04 18:20:01 | 50 | e03y9ig | Now that Waze is supported it should would be great if Tesla added CarPlay capability soon. | jwardell | 2018-06-04 19:39:01 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7y0cv6 | [Discussion] No new Model 3 VINs since February 3rd | Like me I m sure a lot of you follow Model3VINs on Twitter it looks like no new VINs have been registered since February 3rd. I know it s an imperfect data point but surely this can t be good? | hatrackman | 2018-02-16 17:32:53 | 11 | duclb6f | Configured on Feb 1st. No vin yet. | Jondoe20161203 | 2018-02-16 17:49:26 | 8 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
84imel | [Discussion] No sign of invites today? | I didn t see any signs of invites going out. I believe this would make 2 weeks without invites going on. Anyone have evidence that says otherwise? | WubbaLubbaDubDub123 | 2018-03-15 01:01:50 | 37 | dvpv09k | Could happen tomorrow. Usually on Wed Thurs | Essential123 | 2018-03-15 01:19:26 | 10 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
84imel | [Discussion] No sign of invites today? | I didn t see any signs of invites going out. I believe this would make 2 weeks without invites going on. Anyone have evidence that says otherwise? | WubbaLubbaDubDub123 | 2018-03-15 01:01:50 | 37 | dvpv1v4 | There were a couple users on the official Tesla Model 3 forums saying they got their invites yesterday around 2 PM PDT common factor being that they were from CA. Edit: https: forums.tesla.com forum forums just-got-my-invite | nstruct | 2018-03-15 01:20:15 | 10 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
an58cs | [Discussion] Now that Tesla owns Maxwell can we discuss how Ultracapacitors will change the EV | I have read in academic papers that ultracapacitors are ideal for energy recapture (regen braking) and sure enough in Maxwell s website they highlight buses using ultracaps for energy recovery. https: www.maxwell.com solutions transportation heavy-transportation Ultracapacitors are known to be more efficient in fast charge and discharge situations. https: newatlas.com nawa-technologies-carbon-ultra-capacitor 54972 Combined with the advantages of Lithium-Ion we may see a hybrid pack which combines the best of these two batteries. We could see such a hybrid pack in the Roadster. | Derfein | 2019-02-04 19:26:38 | 80 | efqzt79 | I find it highly unlikely this acquisition is about their ultracapacitors. They might use ultra-caps in a number of ways but likely the highlight of this acquisition is about their dry battery electrode manufacturing process. & #x200B | tech01x | 2019-02-04 20:58:52 | 29 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
an58cs | [Discussion] Now that Tesla owns Maxwell can we discuss how Ultracapacitors will change the EV | I have read in academic papers that ultracapacitors are ideal for energy recapture (regen braking) and sure enough in Maxwell s website they highlight buses using ultracaps for energy recovery. https: www.maxwell.com solutions transportation heavy-transportation Ultracapacitors are known to be more efficient in fast charge and discharge situations. https: newatlas.com nawa-technologies-carbon-ultra-capacitor 54972 Combined with the advantages of Lithium-Ion we may see a hybrid pack which combines the best of these two batteries. We could see such a hybrid pack in the Roadster. | Derfein | 2019-02-04 19:26:38 | 80 | efqxtep | Elon said in 2011 that Supercapacitor is the future for EV. https: techcrunch.com 2011 03 25 elon-musk-says-super-capacitors-not-batteries-will-be-breakthrough-for-evs . Maybe this is the thing Elon has been looking for. | jeffoag | 2019-02-04 20:36:10 | 22 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
an58cs | [Discussion] Now that Tesla owns Maxwell can we discuss how Ultracapacitors will change the EV | I have read in academic papers that ultracapacitors are ideal for energy recapture (regen braking) and sure enough in Maxwell s website they highlight buses using ultracaps for energy recovery. https: www.maxwell.com solutions transportation heavy-transportation Ultracapacitors are known to be more efficient in fast charge and discharge situations. https: newatlas.com nawa-technologies-carbon-ultra-capacitor 54972 Combined with the advantages of Lithium-Ion we may see a hybrid pack which combines the best of these two batteries. We could see such a hybrid pack in the Roadster. | Derfein | 2019-02-04 19:26:38 | 80 | efqta7g | I ve been wondering if they d incorporate ultracapacitors into the drivetrain. Seems like a fantastic solution for regen braking and better acceleration. | Dr_Pippin | 2019-02-04 19:43:15 | 12 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
an58cs | [Discussion] Now that Tesla owns Maxwell can we discuss how Ultracapacitors will change the EV | I have read in academic papers that ultracapacitors are ideal for energy recapture (regen braking) and sure enough in Maxwell s website they highlight buses using ultracaps for energy recovery. https: www.maxwell.com solutions transportation heavy-transportation Ultracapacitors are known to be more efficient in fast charge and discharge situations. https: newatlas.com nawa-technologies-carbon-ultra-capacitor 54972 Combined with the advantages of Lithium-Ion we may see a hybrid pack which combines the best of these two batteries. We could see such a hybrid pack in the Roadster. | Derfein | 2019-02-04 19:26:38 | 80 | efr5yyq | Ultra capacitors have a potential (hybrid battery ucap) use I haven t seen in the comments below so far: Offloading the frequent and short term regen restart charge discharge cycles from the battery into an ultra cap does a few desirable things. 1: It offloads charge recharge degradation of the battery cells into a solid state device that can handle orders of magnitude more charge discharge cycles. 2: It can theoretically more efficiently capture regen energy and then immediately give it back as the car slows and speeds up or stops and goes. 3: It can absorb the brunt of the current demand for hard acceleration placing less thermal load on the battery in hard acceleration scenarios. So it has multiple benefits. Battery lifespan regen efficiency performance. And there s another potential benefit: with the right size ucaps it would be possible to create a standard range performance model. OP is right - lots of potential benefits. | ekobres | 2019-02-04 22:09:36 | 10 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
an58cs | [Discussion] Now that Tesla owns Maxwell can we discuss how Ultracapacitors will change the EV | I have read in academic papers that ultracapacitors are ideal for energy recapture (regen braking) and sure enough in Maxwell s website they highlight buses using ultracaps for energy recovery. https: www.maxwell.com solutions transportation heavy-transportation Ultracapacitors are known to be more efficient in fast charge and discharge situations. https: newatlas.com nawa-technologies-carbon-ultra-capacitor 54972 Combined with the advantages of Lithium-Ion we may see a hybrid pack which combines the best of these two batteries. We could see such a hybrid pack in the Roadster. | Derfein | 2019-02-04 19:26:38 | 80 | efr0i02 | Capacitors decrease voltage linearly with charge unlike lithium batteries. This could be useful for quick discharge as a supplement to the pack but the current energy density of capacitors isn t as good as lithium batteries. If the tech gets better it may be useful but I doubt any large changes will happen soon. | Oxxboxman | 2019-02-04 21:06:52 | 8 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
an58cs | [Discussion] Now that Tesla owns Maxwell can we discuss how Ultracapacitors will change the EV | I have read in academic papers that ultracapacitors are ideal for energy recapture (regen braking) and sure enough in Maxwell s website they highlight buses using ultracaps for energy recovery. https: www.maxwell.com solutions transportation heavy-transportation Ultracapacitors are known to be more efficient in fast charge and discharge situations. https: newatlas.com nawa-technologies-carbon-ultra-capacitor 54972 Combined with the advantages of Lithium-Ion we may see a hybrid pack which combines the best of these two batteries. We could see such a hybrid pack in the Roadster. | Derfein | 2019-02-04 19:26:38 | 80 | efs3nul | I worked briefly with an ultracapacitor company over 5 years ago and Tesla had an interest in them way before then. Ultracapacitors and other battery technologies have been on Tesla s radar for a long time probably since they started making the Model S or the Roadster. Disclaimer: I m not a materials scientist car engineer EE etc. by any means but I know a tiny amount of stuff on ultracapacitors from just being in the vicinity. Before everyone jumps on saying it ll be ready for the Model Y or Truck there are some serious problems with ultracapacitors. They re fragile and hard to manufacture at scale or even as one-offs depending on the properties you re trying to get in the material. Three of the major problems are 1) getting the Watt hour per kilogram ratio high enough to provide a benefit to electric cars 2) possible decomposing of solid state electrodes from high voltages and 3) pore evenness in the ultracapacitor i.e. they need lots of holes in the material to maximize surface area. I guess this also falls into #1 because they go hand in hand. Ultracaps are probably quite a ways down the road before Tesla starts putting them to use. Probably when they have enough money to throw around and build a new and world first cutting edge carbon purification and ultracap manufacturing center for mass production. I don t doubt this can happen eventually but probably not in the next 2-3 years as a conservative estimate for a use in mass produced cars like the Y or truck. My guess is that they ll use their ultracaps for some of their high cost projects in SpaceX - although now that I think about it the new Roadster might make the cut since a handful of high end supercars have already been tested with ultracaps for a few years now. I m sure Maxwell has a lot of other interesting improvements to existing battery tech that they can apply though to the Model Y and Truck both of which I m very excited for. | pocketwailord | 2019-02-05 06:17:32 | 8 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
an58cs | [Discussion] Now that Tesla owns Maxwell can we discuss how Ultracapacitors will change the EV | I have read in academic papers that ultracapacitors are ideal for energy recapture (regen braking) and sure enough in Maxwell s website they highlight buses using ultracaps for energy recovery. https: www.maxwell.com solutions transportation heavy-transportation Ultracapacitors are known to be more efficient in fast charge and discharge situations. https: newatlas.com nawa-technologies-carbon-ultra-capacitor 54972 Combined with the advantages of Lithium-Ion we may see a hybrid pack which combines the best of these two batteries. We could see such a hybrid pack in the Roadster. | Derfein | 2019-02-04 19:26:38 | 80 | efqvcbz | It should allow the car to travel to 1955 when you hit 88 mph. | SodaPopin5ki | 2019-02-04 20:07:47 | 5 | Tesla Dominance in EV Batteries |
aoo7su | [Discussion] Official confirmation from Tesla service on Supercharger rate degradation | Background: took delivery of Model X 75D December 14 2017. Had it about 13 months now (excluded time it s been in service) and have 35000 miles. This is commute and vacation miles. I supercharge about 4 times a week. Issue: About a month ago my max charge rate dropped to 80-89kW from 96-98. Took the car for service due to a water leak and mentioned the charge rate. Confirmation: Tesla service ran a diagnostic on the charging system. New MX75D has max rate of 296 amps. My car has a max of 261 amps. Min threshold is 244 amps. They believe that if my car goes below the threshold it will throw a service alert for battery replacement. I m going to continue driving the car and charging as I normally do and see what happens as the charge rate declines further. Hope this sheds light for others. Edit: removed some text that detracted from the intention of this post which was to share some data. | neoreeps | 2019-02-09 02:49:02 | 31 | eg2jiol | Loosely related - have to wonder if Tesla is being too conservative or the new manufacturers including Jaguar Porsche and Audi are being foolish with their claims and much more aggressive charging. | 1st3inAZ | 2019-02-09 04:40:23 | 13 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
aoo7su | [Discussion] Official confirmation from Tesla service on Supercharger rate degradation | Background: took delivery of Model X 75D December 14 2017. Had it about 13 months now (excluded time it s been in service) and have 35000 miles. This is commute and vacation miles. I supercharge about 4 times a week. Issue: About a month ago my max charge rate dropped to 80-89kW from 96-98. Took the car for service due to a water leak and mentioned the charge rate. Confirmation: Tesla service ran a diagnostic on the charging system. New MX75D has max rate of 296 amps. My car has a max of 261 amps. Min threshold is 244 amps. They believe that if my car goes below the threshold it will throw a service alert for battery replacement. I m going to continue driving the car and charging as I normally do and see what happens as the charge rate declines further. Hope this sheds light for others. Edit: removed some text that detracted from the intention of this post which was to share some data. | neoreeps | 2019-02-09 02:49:02 | 31 | eg2fwgg | > and no one could ever produce documents stating this was harmful Not sure about the S or X but the Model 3 manual specifically mentions that charging will slow with repeated high speed charges to protect the pack from damage and wear. | drdabbles | 2019-02-09 03:40:44 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
a4mhjp | [Discussion] Old Model S Bumper Refresh - Tsportline or Unplugged? | Any experience or thoughts on upgrading my 2014 Model S bumper? I m trying to decide between the **Tsportline** and **Unplugged Performance** bumpers. If you know of any other companies making these please let me know. My car does have AP and I plan to get a fresh wrap after the install. Thank you! [Tsportline Front Bumper Facelift](https: tsportline.com products 2012-2016-tesla-model-s-front-bumper-facelift-refresh) [Unplugged Performance Refresh Fascia](https: unpluggedperformance.com product unplugged-performance-refresh-front-fascia-system #) | spnnr | 2018-12-09 17:05:39 | 21 | ebfuwkf | Tsportline doesn t even look close to OEM. | teahugger | 2018-12-09 17:54:11 | 10 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
a4mhjp | [Discussion] Old Model S Bumper Refresh - Tsportline or Unplugged? | Any experience or thoughts on upgrading my 2014 Model S bumper? I m trying to decide between the **Tsportline** and **Unplugged Performance** bumpers. If you know of any other companies making these please let me know. My car does have AP and I plan to get a fresh wrap after the install. Thank you! [Tsportline Front Bumper Facelift](https: tsportline.com products 2012-2016-tesla-model-s-front-bumper-facelift-refresh) [Unplugged Performance Refresh Fascia](https: unpluggedperformance.com product unplugged-performance-refresh-front-fascia-system #) | spnnr | 2018-12-09 17:05:39 | 21 | ebgbjzw | Another vote for Unplug s. | nomis_nehc | 2018-12-09 21:08:26 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
axkj6n | [Discussion] Older people are going to love Model Y | With the $35k Model 3 I wanted to recommend my mom to pick one up. My parents are older and don t go on long road trips any more in fact they mostly make short runs to the grocery store do errands etc. which is perfect for an EV. If they need to go on an occasional road trip they still have a gas car. The problem is that the Model 3 has a sport-like seating and enter exit ergonomic which isn t ideal for most people. A small crossover however will be ideal for the majority of people who are older. I can imagine in a few years when my parents might have some difficulty driving that FSD will take care of most of it. Not only will they not have to worry about parking 100 ft from the entrance of a shopping center or grocery store they ll virtually never have to take their car to get it serviced. They ll never have to visit a gas station. Not too long ago my mom took her car in to get the oil changed. The shop cross-threaded the oil drain pan bolt and the oil leaked out and it ruined the engine in their year-old Genesis. Being able to pre-heat or pre-cool the vehicle interior is going to be awesome for older people. The expected relative affordability of the Model Y also means those living off a pension will still be able to afford one. The only real issue is convincing older people who grew up with gasoline cars to trust electric vehicles. Most of them having lived through at least one gas shortage it shouldn t be that difficult. | manbearpyg | 2019-03-05 12:18:48 | 120 | ehu4lit | I m 67 and a TM3 owner. I bought my Tesla with exactly these things in mind. I want a car that will help as I get older :-). Now if someone will just tell me how to improve getting in and out of my car! LOL My exit profile lowers the seat I suspect I should be raising it :-). | hmspain | 2019-03-05 12:55:02 | 18 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
axkj6n | [Discussion] Older people are going to love Model Y | With the $35k Model 3 I wanted to recommend my mom to pick one up. My parents are older and don t go on long road trips any more in fact they mostly make short runs to the grocery store do errands etc. which is perfect for an EV. If they need to go on an occasional road trip they still have a gas car. The problem is that the Model 3 has a sport-like seating and enter exit ergonomic which isn t ideal for most people. A small crossover however will be ideal for the majority of people who are older. I can imagine in a few years when my parents might have some difficulty driving that FSD will take care of most of it. Not only will they not have to worry about parking 100 ft from the entrance of a shopping center or grocery store they ll virtually never have to take their car to get it serviced. They ll never have to visit a gas station. Not too long ago my mom took her car in to get the oil changed. The shop cross-threaded the oil drain pan bolt and the oil leaked out and it ruined the engine in their year-old Genesis. Being able to pre-heat or pre-cool the vehicle interior is going to be awesome for older people. The expected relative affordability of the Model Y also means those living off a pension will still be able to afford one. The only real issue is convincing older people who grew up with gasoline cars to trust electric vehicles. Most of them having lived through at least one gas shortage it shouldn t be that difficult. | manbearpyg | 2019-03-05 12:18:48 | 120 | ehu4648 | Due to an injury I was in a wheelchair for a while and then had to use a walker an eye opening experience in many ways. Having to rely on people to get me to therapy kinda sucked. Of the cars that I got rides in the BMW i3 and the Fiat 500 where the easiest for me to get into. Simply because they have big doors. Others have told me the same about the new Beatle. I had a Jeep Wrangler at the time and couldn t get into it. Wasn t lifted in fact had the smallest tires on it. It was mostly because of the height and small doors. I m in ok shape now and the model 3 is not exactly easy to get into an i3 is easier but then you d have to own an i3 instead! | machine_yearning | 2019-03-05 12:47:19 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
axkj6n | [Discussion] Older people are going to love Model Y | With the $35k Model 3 I wanted to recommend my mom to pick one up. My parents are older and don t go on long road trips any more in fact they mostly make short runs to the grocery store do errands etc. which is perfect for an EV. If they need to go on an occasional road trip they still have a gas car. The problem is that the Model 3 has a sport-like seating and enter exit ergonomic which isn t ideal for most people. A small crossover however will be ideal for the majority of people who are older. I can imagine in a few years when my parents might have some difficulty driving that FSD will take care of most of it. Not only will they not have to worry about parking 100 ft from the entrance of a shopping center or grocery store they ll virtually never have to take their car to get it serviced. They ll never have to visit a gas station. Not too long ago my mom took her car in to get the oil changed. The shop cross-threaded the oil drain pan bolt and the oil leaked out and it ruined the engine in their year-old Genesis. Being able to pre-heat or pre-cool the vehicle interior is going to be awesome for older people. The expected relative affordability of the Model Y also means those living off a pension will still be able to afford one. The only real issue is convincing older people who grew up with gasoline cars to trust electric vehicles. Most of them having lived through at least one gas shortage it shouldn t be that difficult. | manbearpyg | 2019-03-05 12:18:48 | 120 | ehu46zp | Target: Honda CR-V and Subaru Forester sales. Excellent. | pmsyyz | 2019-03-05 12:47:46 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
axkj6n | [Discussion] Older people are going to love Model Y | With the $35k Model 3 I wanted to recommend my mom to pick one up. My parents are older and don t go on long road trips any more in fact they mostly make short runs to the grocery store do errands etc. which is perfect for an EV. If they need to go on an occasional road trip they still have a gas car. The problem is that the Model 3 has a sport-like seating and enter exit ergonomic which isn t ideal for most people. A small crossover however will be ideal for the majority of people who are older. I can imagine in a few years when my parents might have some difficulty driving that FSD will take care of most of it. Not only will they not have to worry about parking 100 ft from the entrance of a shopping center or grocery store they ll virtually never have to take their car to get it serviced. They ll never have to visit a gas station. Not too long ago my mom took her car in to get the oil changed. The shop cross-threaded the oil drain pan bolt and the oil leaked out and it ruined the engine in their year-old Genesis. Being able to pre-heat or pre-cool the vehicle interior is going to be awesome for older people. The expected relative affordability of the Model Y also means those living off a pension will still be able to afford one. The only real issue is convincing older people who grew up with gasoline cars to trust electric vehicles. Most of them having lived through at least one gas shortage it shouldn t be that difficult. | manbearpyg | 2019-03-05 12:18:48 | 120 | ehv0094 | 66 year old guy here. Full agreemant. One of the main reasons I bought a model S was because I saw my in-laws lose their mobility. Driving the Tesla with Autopilot has made driving a blast again like it was when i was first driving. I recognized that my reflexes and night vision weren t what they used to be and how it had made driving a lot more tedious. That doesn t even take into account the growing lack of civility on the roads as they get more crowded and folks are distracted by their electronic devices. Tesla with Autopilot makes it a piece of cake to do a 700 mile drive in a day and still feel pretty good. Imconfident that self driving technology will do wonders for older Americans. The model Y will be a boon because of the tech but also it s size. I love my Model S but itnis a big car. Parking spaces and urban enviroseem to get tighter every year. I do my best to advocate for older people to try a Tesla and see how it will help them maintain their independence much later inlife. | Bigtanuki | 2019-03-05 19:17:57 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
axkj6n | [Discussion] Older people are going to love Model Y | With the $35k Model 3 I wanted to recommend my mom to pick one up. My parents are older and don t go on long road trips any more in fact they mostly make short runs to the grocery store do errands etc. which is perfect for an EV. If they need to go on an occasional road trip they still have a gas car. The problem is that the Model 3 has a sport-like seating and enter exit ergonomic which isn t ideal for most people. A small crossover however will be ideal for the majority of people who are older. I can imagine in a few years when my parents might have some difficulty driving that FSD will take care of most of it. Not only will they not have to worry about parking 100 ft from the entrance of a shopping center or grocery store they ll virtually never have to take their car to get it serviced. They ll never have to visit a gas station. Not too long ago my mom took her car in to get the oil changed. The shop cross-threaded the oil drain pan bolt and the oil leaked out and it ruined the engine in their year-old Genesis. Being able to pre-heat or pre-cool the vehicle interior is going to be awesome for older people. The expected relative affordability of the Model Y also means those living off a pension will still be able to afford one. The only real issue is convincing older people who grew up with gasoline cars to trust electric vehicles. Most of them having lived through at least one gas shortage it shouldn t be that difficult. | manbearpyg | 2019-03-05 12:18:48 | 120 | ehu6gue | Either the Y or the [Sono Sion](https: sonomotors.com en sion ). Even lower price range (and real range) very spacious and the ability to plug appliances directly into the car. This could be a serious competitor to the SR Y. | Mahounl | 2019-03-05 13:26:40 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
bdjopv | [Discussion] On Ceramic Coatings Paint Protection Film and Vinyl Wrap | I m seeing some activity on this and want to chime in. While I m not a certified expert or in the coating PPF industry I do have experience with it primarily from doing two model 3s in full ppf + ceramic and want to provide some information I hope is useful. I am also linking a video at the end which covers two of the things discussed here. I am not here to tell you if it s worth it that s an individual decision which depends on your needs and financial flexibility to reach those needs. I am providing some info to help make an educated decision and choice. I do provide cost ranges for the main contenders listed below. **No ceramic coating is not a ripoff** -- it is a high-end high-cost product which does perform and brings quite a few advantages. Again if it s worth it for you is up to you but it s not snake oil -- it s an actual product and a high tech one at that. Keep in mind that we re talking cars here which are cash cows. Also keep in mind that some of the cars here are quite costly and while the cost of these appearance products on their own is high in the grand scheme of things they won t always be a significant cost. For example $7 500 Full PPF+Ceramic+Full Tint on a $75 000 car is 10% but you could argue that it makes what you see the exterior of your car look the best it possibly can for the longest possible time both between washes and in general. For some this is more than worth it. For others it s not. It really depends on what your needs are and what you re looking for and what you re looking to spend. Without further ado I present the contenders what they are for what they are not for what you can expect to pay and some comments on each: **Vinyl Wrap (AKA Color Changing Wrap)** This is to change your color only. While it will provide some minimal protection against minor impacts it will actually rip on bigger rock chips and it won t look good (and won t really protect the paint underneath in such an event). * **Buy it for** changing the color of your car. * **Do not buy it for** protecting your car from rock chips door dings at the supermarket etc. * Think of this as being primarily for looks. * Expect to pay $1 500-$3 000 for a full color changing vinyl wrap. **Paint Protection Film (PPF)** This is the one that protects your paint as it s engineered for this purpose. It s a plastic film that s made to not break rip (the way vinyl wrap does) and this is the best protection you can get. There is a limit to how much protection this can provide but this is the best you can buy. PPF of course also protects your paint from environmental contaminants such as tar bird poop bug guts etc. -- since it s the plastic film taking the abuse and said contaminants never touch your paint. * **Buy it for** protecting the original paint of your car * **Do not buy it for** changing the color of your car* (see note below) * **If you can only buy one thing on this list this is the one to buy**. * Paint correction should be done before film is applied. * This can be done partially on the bits which take the most road debris ( full front clear bra are some terms you may have heard) or fully wrapping the entire car. * This is also the most priciest a full car installation ranges $4 000-$6 500+ depending on market installer etc. while a partial full front (bumper hood mirrors) ranges $1 500-$3 000. Usually you get what you pay for and you want to work with someone who knows what they re doing and will be around in case of a warranty claim or needed to replace a panel (for example one of our 3s got keyed). * Installation (this applies to vinyl as well) ranges from pre-cut film (for your specific car i.e. Model 3) to fully custom cut (as in they cut each piece individually on *your* individual car). Traditionally high end installers did fully custom cut these days they ve optimized a bit and even high end installers use some parts which are pre-cut (the simple shapes). * The main thing is to have the edges fully wrapped otherwise they will catch dirt catch on clothes etc. This is where experience and skill come into play and separates the professional installers from the amateurs. And this is what you pay for. You want a shop that you go back to with any problem and they take care of it for you. * \*color change note: while you can t change the color of your car using PPF you can change *the finish* of your color by opting for matte PPF. I discuss this in the video linked below and showcase my own White P3D+ in Matte PPF. **Ceramic Coating** In loose terms you can think of ceramic coating as a high-end long-lasting semi-permanent wax. It will do what wax does [much] better than wax and it won t do stuff that wax can t do -- like vinyl wrap it will not protect your paint one bit from impact damage such as from rock chips. Ceramic coating on its own will provide some protection from environmental contaminants but primarily it is meant to make your car look very good when it s clean (just wash your car and it will look freshly waxed!) and to facilitate ease of cleaning. Cleaning does come with some particularities that you need to keep in mind but once you ve got the process down it is faster and easier as a lot of dirt and grime will come off very easily. In a nutshell if you have a pressure washer with denatured water you re golden and technically don t even need to dry your car after spending a quick 5 minutes once a week on it. * **Buy it for** having your car look its best when clean * **Buy it for** making it very easy to clean your car (once you ve got the process down) * **Do not buy it for** protecting your paint * **Do not buy it for** changing the color of your car * Some of the ceramic coatings are guaranteed upwards of 10 years I expect about half this (~5 years) realistically. You could technically achieve the same look and most of the same benefits with a high end professional wax but it would have to be re-applied every 3 to 6 months (depending on product). Take the cost time of doing good wax jobs on the regular into account when considering the cost of ceramic coating. * Paint correction should be done before the ceramic coating is applied. * Ceramic coating can be applied on top of PPF and this is the ultimate combo (and also the most expensive) * Cost range for Ceramic Coating is usually in the $800-$2 000 range. Again you get what you pay for and experience with applying the product is what you re paying for not necessarily the product itself. The car needs to be prepped different products are applied in different ways (some even include curing lamps) there is a time factor when the product is curing -- all this is to say that it s not a straight forward application and if they mess it up they fix it. And then it lasts for many years just wash your car and it looks freshly waxed. [Here s a video I shot a while ago](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=zLePi4uqp3Q) primarily going over Vinyl Wrap vs PPF I do touch a bit on Ceramic Coating I believe. You can also see what my White P3D+ looks like with Matte PPF (and Ceramic Coating on top of that). There are more vids on my channel including one when picking up my wife s Red Model 3 AWD after just having been done in Full Clear PPF+Ceramic+Full Tint. Ask me anything. | mastre | 2019-04-15 18:40:13 | 79 | ekypg83 | Great write up. The only thing that i don t completely agree with is... > Ceramic coating can be applied on top of PPF and this is the ultimate combo (and also the most expensive) Can it be applied? Yes. Is it going to really benefit you long term in a way that makes it worth the extra money? I don t really think so. Unless there s a study test that s been done that i m not aware of it just seems like a gigantic waste of money. Chemically compiled sealants ceramic coatings are designed to attach to uneven surface structures. Doing so creates a chemical bond. Clear coat on a car by nature as a spray coating is very porous and uneven. This is what makes ceramic coatings efficient and beneficial for vehicles. On the flip side applying this to PPF is like putting it on glass (which people also do...). While porous in it s own right the surface structure isn t ideal. It s too smooth for a stable strong bond to be formed. Idk personally i think people have been way too caught up in the ceramic coating craze. They ve been coating everything from wheels to windshields to mirrors and windows etc. It just doesn t make sense to me. | TheTimeIsChow | 2019-04-15 19:23:50 | 8 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
bdjopv | [Discussion] On Ceramic Coatings Paint Protection Film and Vinyl Wrap | I m seeing some activity on this and want to chime in. While I m not a certified expert or in the coating PPF industry I do have experience with it primarily from doing two model 3s in full ppf + ceramic and want to provide some information I hope is useful. I am also linking a video at the end which covers two of the things discussed here. I am not here to tell you if it s worth it that s an individual decision which depends on your needs and financial flexibility to reach those needs. I am providing some info to help make an educated decision and choice. I do provide cost ranges for the main contenders listed below. **No ceramic coating is not a ripoff** -- it is a high-end high-cost product which does perform and brings quite a few advantages. Again if it s worth it for you is up to you but it s not snake oil -- it s an actual product and a high tech one at that. Keep in mind that we re talking cars here which are cash cows. Also keep in mind that some of the cars here are quite costly and while the cost of these appearance products on their own is high in the grand scheme of things they won t always be a significant cost. For example $7 500 Full PPF+Ceramic+Full Tint on a $75 000 car is 10% but you could argue that it makes what you see the exterior of your car look the best it possibly can for the longest possible time both between washes and in general. For some this is more than worth it. For others it s not. It really depends on what your needs are and what you re looking for and what you re looking to spend. Without further ado I present the contenders what they are for what they are not for what you can expect to pay and some comments on each: **Vinyl Wrap (AKA Color Changing Wrap)** This is to change your color only. While it will provide some minimal protection against minor impacts it will actually rip on bigger rock chips and it won t look good (and won t really protect the paint underneath in such an event). * **Buy it for** changing the color of your car. * **Do not buy it for** protecting your car from rock chips door dings at the supermarket etc. * Think of this as being primarily for looks. * Expect to pay $1 500-$3 000 for a full color changing vinyl wrap. **Paint Protection Film (PPF)** This is the one that protects your paint as it s engineered for this purpose. It s a plastic film that s made to not break rip (the way vinyl wrap does) and this is the best protection you can get. There is a limit to how much protection this can provide but this is the best you can buy. PPF of course also protects your paint from environmental contaminants such as tar bird poop bug guts etc. -- since it s the plastic film taking the abuse and said contaminants never touch your paint. * **Buy it for** protecting the original paint of your car * **Do not buy it for** changing the color of your car* (see note below) * **If you can only buy one thing on this list this is the one to buy**. * Paint correction should be done before film is applied. * This can be done partially on the bits which take the most road debris ( full front clear bra are some terms you may have heard) or fully wrapping the entire car. * This is also the most priciest a full car installation ranges $4 000-$6 500+ depending on market installer etc. while a partial full front (bumper hood mirrors) ranges $1 500-$3 000. Usually you get what you pay for and you want to work with someone who knows what they re doing and will be around in case of a warranty claim or needed to replace a panel (for example one of our 3s got keyed). * Installation (this applies to vinyl as well) ranges from pre-cut film (for your specific car i.e. Model 3) to fully custom cut (as in they cut each piece individually on *your* individual car). Traditionally high end installers did fully custom cut these days they ve optimized a bit and even high end installers use some parts which are pre-cut (the simple shapes). * The main thing is to have the edges fully wrapped otherwise they will catch dirt catch on clothes etc. This is where experience and skill come into play and separates the professional installers from the amateurs. And this is what you pay for. You want a shop that you go back to with any problem and they take care of it for you. * \*color change note: while you can t change the color of your car using PPF you can change *the finish* of your color by opting for matte PPF. I discuss this in the video linked below and showcase my own White P3D+ in Matte PPF. **Ceramic Coating** In loose terms you can think of ceramic coating as a high-end long-lasting semi-permanent wax. It will do what wax does [much] better than wax and it won t do stuff that wax can t do -- like vinyl wrap it will not protect your paint one bit from impact damage such as from rock chips. Ceramic coating on its own will provide some protection from environmental contaminants but primarily it is meant to make your car look very good when it s clean (just wash your car and it will look freshly waxed!) and to facilitate ease of cleaning. Cleaning does come with some particularities that you need to keep in mind but once you ve got the process down it is faster and easier as a lot of dirt and grime will come off very easily. In a nutshell if you have a pressure washer with denatured water you re golden and technically don t even need to dry your car after spending a quick 5 minutes once a week on it. * **Buy it for** having your car look its best when clean * **Buy it for** making it very easy to clean your car (once you ve got the process down) * **Do not buy it for** protecting your paint * **Do not buy it for** changing the color of your car * Some of the ceramic coatings are guaranteed upwards of 10 years I expect about half this (~5 years) realistically. You could technically achieve the same look and most of the same benefits with a high end professional wax but it would have to be re-applied every 3 to 6 months (depending on product). Take the cost time of doing good wax jobs on the regular into account when considering the cost of ceramic coating. * Paint correction should be done before the ceramic coating is applied. * Ceramic coating can be applied on top of PPF and this is the ultimate combo (and also the most expensive) * Cost range for Ceramic Coating is usually in the $800-$2 000 range. Again you get what you pay for and experience with applying the product is what you re paying for not necessarily the product itself. The car needs to be prepped different products are applied in different ways (some even include curing lamps) there is a time factor when the product is curing -- all this is to say that it s not a straight forward application and if they mess it up they fix it. And then it lasts for many years just wash your car and it looks freshly waxed. [Here s a video I shot a while ago](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=zLePi4uqp3Q) primarily going over Vinyl Wrap vs PPF I do touch a bit on Ceramic Coating I believe. You can also see what my White P3D+ looks like with Matte PPF (and Ceramic Coating on top of that). There are more vids on my channel including one when picking up my wife s Red Model 3 AWD after just having been done in Full Clear PPF+Ceramic+Full Tint. Ask me anything. | mastre | 2019-04-15 18:40:13 | 79 | ekym6d5 | Thanks for taking the time to write this and share your views. | BlueOnAzul | 2019-04-15 18:50:58 | 7 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
bdjopv | [Discussion] On Ceramic Coatings Paint Protection Film and Vinyl Wrap | I m seeing some activity on this and want to chime in. While I m not a certified expert or in the coating PPF industry I do have experience with it primarily from doing two model 3s in full ppf + ceramic and want to provide some information I hope is useful. I am also linking a video at the end which covers two of the things discussed here. I am not here to tell you if it s worth it that s an individual decision which depends on your needs and financial flexibility to reach those needs. I am providing some info to help make an educated decision and choice. I do provide cost ranges for the main contenders listed below. **No ceramic coating is not a ripoff** -- it is a high-end high-cost product which does perform and brings quite a few advantages. Again if it s worth it for you is up to you but it s not snake oil -- it s an actual product and a high tech one at that. Keep in mind that we re talking cars here which are cash cows. Also keep in mind that some of the cars here are quite costly and while the cost of these appearance products on their own is high in the grand scheme of things they won t always be a significant cost. For example $7 500 Full PPF+Ceramic+Full Tint on a $75 000 car is 10% but you could argue that it makes what you see the exterior of your car look the best it possibly can for the longest possible time both between washes and in general. For some this is more than worth it. For others it s not. It really depends on what your needs are and what you re looking for and what you re looking to spend. Without further ado I present the contenders what they are for what they are not for what you can expect to pay and some comments on each: **Vinyl Wrap (AKA Color Changing Wrap)** This is to change your color only. While it will provide some minimal protection against minor impacts it will actually rip on bigger rock chips and it won t look good (and won t really protect the paint underneath in such an event). * **Buy it for** changing the color of your car. * **Do not buy it for** protecting your car from rock chips door dings at the supermarket etc. * Think of this as being primarily for looks. * Expect to pay $1 500-$3 000 for a full color changing vinyl wrap. **Paint Protection Film (PPF)** This is the one that protects your paint as it s engineered for this purpose. It s a plastic film that s made to not break rip (the way vinyl wrap does) and this is the best protection you can get. There is a limit to how much protection this can provide but this is the best you can buy. PPF of course also protects your paint from environmental contaminants such as tar bird poop bug guts etc. -- since it s the plastic film taking the abuse and said contaminants never touch your paint. * **Buy it for** protecting the original paint of your car * **Do not buy it for** changing the color of your car* (see note below) * **If you can only buy one thing on this list this is the one to buy**. * Paint correction should be done before film is applied. * This can be done partially on the bits which take the most road debris ( full front clear bra are some terms you may have heard) or fully wrapping the entire car. * This is also the most priciest a full car installation ranges $4 000-$6 500+ depending on market installer etc. while a partial full front (bumper hood mirrors) ranges $1 500-$3 000. Usually you get what you pay for and you want to work with someone who knows what they re doing and will be around in case of a warranty claim or needed to replace a panel (for example one of our 3s got keyed). * Installation (this applies to vinyl as well) ranges from pre-cut film (for your specific car i.e. Model 3) to fully custom cut (as in they cut each piece individually on *your* individual car). Traditionally high end installers did fully custom cut these days they ve optimized a bit and even high end installers use some parts which are pre-cut (the simple shapes). * The main thing is to have the edges fully wrapped otherwise they will catch dirt catch on clothes etc. This is where experience and skill come into play and separates the professional installers from the amateurs. And this is what you pay for. You want a shop that you go back to with any problem and they take care of it for you. * \*color change note: while you can t change the color of your car using PPF you can change *the finish* of your color by opting for matte PPF. I discuss this in the video linked below and showcase my own White P3D+ in Matte PPF. **Ceramic Coating** In loose terms you can think of ceramic coating as a high-end long-lasting semi-permanent wax. It will do what wax does [much] better than wax and it won t do stuff that wax can t do -- like vinyl wrap it will not protect your paint one bit from impact damage such as from rock chips. Ceramic coating on its own will provide some protection from environmental contaminants but primarily it is meant to make your car look very good when it s clean (just wash your car and it will look freshly waxed!) and to facilitate ease of cleaning. Cleaning does come with some particularities that you need to keep in mind but once you ve got the process down it is faster and easier as a lot of dirt and grime will come off very easily. In a nutshell if you have a pressure washer with denatured water you re golden and technically don t even need to dry your car after spending a quick 5 minutes once a week on it. * **Buy it for** having your car look its best when clean * **Buy it for** making it very easy to clean your car (once you ve got the process down) * **Do not buy it for** protecting your paint * **Do not buy it for** changing the color of your car * Some of the ceramic coatings are guaranteed upwards of 10 years I expect about half this (~5 years) realistically. You could technically achieve the same look and most of the same benefits with a high end professional wax but it would have to be re-applied every 3 to 6 months (depending on product). Take the cost time of doing good wax jobs on the regular into account when considering the cost of ceramic coating. * Paint correction should be done before the ceramic coating is applied. * Ceramic coating can be applied on top of PPF and this is the ultimate combo (and also the most expensive) * Cost range for Ceramic Coating is usually in the $800-$2 000 range. Again you get what you pay for and experience with applying the product is what you re paying for not necessarily the product itself. The car needs to be prepped different products are applied in different ways (some even include curing lamps) there is a time factor when the product is curing -- all this is to say that it s not a straight forward application and if they mess it up they fix it. And then it lasts for many years just wash your car and it looks freshly waxed. [Here s a video I shot a while ago](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=zLePi4uqp3Q) primarily going over Vinyl Wrap vs PPF I do touch a bit on Ceramic Coating I believe. You can also see what my White P3D+ looks like with Matte PPF (and Ceramic Coating on top of that). There are more vids on my channel including one when picking up my wife s Red Model 3 AWD after just having been done in Full Clear PPF+Ceramic+Full Tint. Ask me anything. | mastre | 2019-04-15 18:40:13 | 79 | ekysd4p | So if a person was completely insane and shits money to get the car the color they want and protect it as best as they can and make it easy to clean they would: Wrap it (to change the color) Put PPF over the wrap (to protect the wrap and paint) then put ceramic (to make it easier to clean) ? Or can PPF not realistically be applied over the wrap? (I don t know why anyone would go through this level of effort but I m curious now) | run-the-joules | 2019-04-15 19:53:20 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
bdjopv | [Discussion] On Ceramic Coatings Paint Protection Film and Vinyl Wrap | I m seeing some activity on this and want to chime in. While I m not a certified expert or in the coating PPF industry I do have experience with it primarily from doing two model 3s in full ppf + ceramic and want to provide some information I hope is useful. I am also linking a video at the end which covers two of the things discussed here. I am not here to tell you if it s worth it that s an individual decision which depends on your needs and financial flexibility to reach those needs. I am providing some info to help make an educated decision and choice. I do provide cost ranges for the main contenders listed below. **No ceramic coating is not a ripoff** -- it is a high-end high-cost product which does perform and brings quite a few advantages. Again if it s worth it for you is up to you but it s not snake oil -- it s an actual product and a high tech one at that. Keep in mind that we re talking cars here which are cash cows. Also keep in mind that some of the cars here are quite costly and while the cost of these appearance products on their own is high in the grand scheme of things they won t always be a significant cost. For example $7 500 Full PPF+Ceramic+Full Tint on a $75 000 car is 10% but you could argue that it makes what you see the exterior of your car look the best it possibly can for the longest possible time both between washes and in general. For some this is more than worth it. For others it s not. It really depends on what your needs are and what you re looking for and what you re looking to spend. Without further ado I present the contenders what they are for what they are not for what you can expect to pay and some comments on each: **Vinyl Wrap (AKA Color Changing Wrap)** This is to change your color only. While it will provide some minimal protection against minor impacts it will actually rip on bigger rock chips and it won t look good (and won t really protect the paint underneath in such an event). * **Buy it for** changing the color of your car. * **Do not buy it for** protecting your car from rock chips door dings at the supermarket etc. * Think of this as being primarily for looks. * Expect to pay $1 500-$3 000 for a full color changing vinyl wrap. **Paint Protection Film (PPF)** This is the one that protects your paint as it s engineered for this purpose. It s a plastic film that s made to not break rip (the way vinyl wrap does) and this is the best protection you can get. There is a limit to how much protection this can provide but this is the best you can buy. PPF of course also protects your paint from environmental contaminants such as tar bird poop bug guts etc. -- since it s the plastic film taking the abuse and said contaminants never touch your paint. * **Buy it for** protecting the original paint of your car * **Do not buy it for** changing the color of your car* (see note below) * **If you can only buy one thing on this list this is the one to buy**. * Paint correction should be done before film is applied. * This can be done partially on the bits which take the most road debris ( full front clear bra are some terms you may have heard) or fully wrapping the entire car. * This is also the most priciest a full car installation ranges $4 000-$6 500+ depending on market installer etc. while a partial full front (bumper hood mirrors) ranges $1 500-$3 000. Usually you get what you pay for and you want to work with someone who knows what they re doing and will be around in case of a warranty claim or needed to replace a panel (for example one of our 3s got keyed). * Installation (this applies to vinyl as well) ranges from pre-cut film (for your specific car i.e. Model 3) to fully custom cut (as in they cut each piece individually on *your* individual car). Traditionally high end installers did fully custom cut these days they ve optimized a bit and even high end installers use some parts which are pre-cut (the simple shapes). * The main thing is to have the edges fully wrapped otherwise they will catch dirt catch on clothes etc. This is where experience and skill come into play and separates the professional installers from the amateurs. And this is what you pay for. You want a shop that you go back to with any problem and they take care of it for you. * \*color change note: while you can t change the color of your car using PPF you can change *the finish* of your color by opting for matte PPF. I discuss this in the video linked below and showcase my own White P3D+ in Matte PPF. **Ceramic Coating** In loose terms you can think of ceramic coating as a high-end long-lasting semi-permanent wax. It will do what wax does [much] better than wax and it won t do stuff that wax can t do -- like vinyl wrap it will not protect your paint one bit from impact damage such as from rock chips. Ceramic coating on its own will provide some protection from environmental contaminants but primarily it is meant to make your car look very good when it s clean (just wash your car and it will look freshly waxed!) and to facilitate ease of cleaning. Cleaning does come with some particularities that you need to keep in mind but once you ve got the process down it is faster and easier as a lot of dirt and grime will come off very easily. In a nutshell if you have a pressure washer with denatured water you re golden and technically don t even need to dry your car after spending a quick 5 minutes once a week on it. * **Buy it for** having your car look its best when clean * **Buy it for** making it very easy to clean your car (once you ve got the process down) * **Do not buy it for** protecting your paint * **Do not buy it for** changing the color of your car * Some of the ceramic coatings are guaranteed upwards of 10 years I expect about half this (~5 years) realistically. You could technically achieve the same look and most of the same benefits with a high end professional wax but it would have to be re-applied every 3 to 6 months (depending on product). Take the cost time of doing good wax jobs on the regular into account when considering the cost of ceramic coating. * Paint correction should be done before the ceramic coating is applied. * Ceramic coating can be applied on top of PPF and this is the ultimate combo (and also the most expensive) * Cost range for Ceramic Coating is usually in the $800-$2 000 range. Again you get what you pay for and experience with applying the product is what you re paying for not necessarily the product itself. The car needs to be prepped different products are applied in different ways (some even include curing lamps) there is a time factor when the product is curing -- all this is to say that it s not a straight forward application and if they mess it up they fix it. And then it lasts for many years just wash your car and it looks freshly waxed. [Here s a video I shot a while ago](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=zLePi4uqp3Q) primarily going over Vinyl Wrap vs PPF I do touch a bit on Ceramic Coating I believe. You can also see what my White P3D+ looks like with Matte PPF (and Ceramic Coating on top of that). There are more vids on my channel including one when picking up my wife s Red Model 3 AWD after just having been done in Full Clear PPF+Ceramic+Full Tint. Ask me anything. | mastre | 2019-04-15 18:40:13 | 79 | ekz3o2z | I am also here just to state my opinion. I considered getting PPF and Ceramic done professionally but after getting prices I don t think it is worth it to get a full PPF wrap at all or to have ceramic done professionally. As for a clear bra the quotes I got were about $1500 and this could potentially be worth it if you want to keep the car perfect or if you don t expect the vehicle to last long. If you re okay with little chips on the front or you plan on keeping it for a long time (at least 6 years) then you d probably make out better investing that $1500 into the stock market than hoping for improved resale value. Having the full car wrapped is just a waste of money. $5k is an insane amount of money and you ll never make that money back in resale value. If you ever get into a fender bender and have to get a piece replaced you ve lost out on that money too. The only parts that it will really protect are the high wear parts such as the trunk deck and lid door edges door handles and the front of the vehicle. As for ceramic yea you can have paint correction and all that hardcore stuff done for $1000 on your vehicle. Or you can buy a $50-100 bottle of ceramic coating buy $50 worth of materials including polish and clay treatment and use a saturday to do it yourself (or buy a friend lunch and get them to help you for half a day). All in all you ll get 95% the results of a pro for 1 5 the cost. I already had a bunch of products at my house so I just spent $75 on Cquartz and got great results. Ceramic coatings are also a wax replacement. This means that if you wash your car yourself you save a TON of work in the future and if you don t you save a lot of money because ceramic lasts for 2-3 years instead of 3-6 months like wax. | thepolan | 2019-04-15 22:14:53 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
alt8v2 | [Discussion] On the call Musk said they don t plan to use 2170 Cells in the Model S X. I am no expert on batteries. Could they just repackage the older cells better and get improved range? Or is this a sign that they may have an even newer cell type that will go into the S X? | If you change the chemical make up would the cell type (2170) change or is that just the name of the “canister”? Tesla is still at the top of the heap for range so maybe they just don t care yet about more mileage till Rivian or other get their act together? My hunch is they have a newer cell coming out that will go into the S X and the 3 Y will keep the 2170. Especially since they said 76% of the Model Y was the same as the Model 3. The last part that contributes to my hunch is Musk not giving away their cost per kw to produce. Saying it was proprietary. I think people have already figured about how close they are currently. So I am wondering if they have made some more big jumps and don t want to say...like in a new battery type. | hoppeeness | 2019-01-31 19:33:09 | 42 | efgsxhc | The current s x modules are pretty space efficient already. They d be able to increase density slightly by going to bigger module sizes but we re talking < 10% Honestly I think they just see no reason to change. It d have high costs and I m unconvinced that an extra 10kwh would add much utility to the vehicles. Moving to 21700s would give about 8% better capacity because the cells are taller and the model 3 module has less overhead in height because the current collectors are all on one side of the module (it s a pretty damn neat design in that sense) but they re harder to cool so battery performance should be lower. The biggest gains are likely to be made from organising the cooling to better follow the current path through the modules. This leads to better current distribution because temperature gradients are lower across cells in parallel. Model 3 does this which negates the fact the cells are harder to cool because they re thicker. | foxtrotdeltamike | 2019-01-31 19:51:37 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
alt8v2 | [Discussion] On the call Musk said they don t plan to use 2170 Cells in the Model S X. I am no expert on batteries. Could they just repackage the older cells better and get improved range? Or is this a sign that they may have an even newer cell type that will go into the S X? | If you change the chemical make up would the cell type (2170) change or is that just the name of the “canister”? Tesla is still at the top of the heap for range so maybe they just don t care yet about more mileage till Rivian or other get their act together? My hunch is they have a newer cell coming out that will go into the S X and the 3 Y will keep the 2170. Especially since they said 76% of the Model Y was the same as the Model 3. The last part that contributes to my hunch is Musk not giving away their cost per kw to produce. Saying it was proprietary. I think people have already figured about how close they are currently. So I am wondering if they have made some more big jumps and don t want to say...like in a new battery type. | hoppeeness | 2019-01-31 19:33:09 | 42 | efgsicz | imagine how demand for S X would drop if Musk said 2170 cells will come later this year. & #x200B 2170 is just dimensions of the cell 21 mm diameter and 70 mm hight. & #x200B when someone offer car with matching range Tesla will very quickly release bigger battery packs. & #x200B it s better to produce 1 type of cells in higher quantity then 2. | krzysiek22101 | 2019-01-31 19:46:26 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
alt8v2 | [Discussion] On the call Musk said they don t plan to use 2170 Cells in the Model S X. I am no expert on batteries. Could they just repackage the older cells better and get improved range? Or is this a sign that they may have an even newer cell type that will go into the S X? | If you change the chemical make up would the cell type (2170) change or is that just the name of the “canister”? Tesla is still at the top of the heap for range so maybe they just don t care yet about more mileage till Rivian or other get their act together? My hunch is they have a newer cell coming out that will go into the S X and the 3 Y will keep the 2170. Especially since they said 76% of the Model Y was the same as the Model 3. The last part that contributes to my hunch is Musk not giving away their cost per kw to produce. Saying it was proprietary. I think people have already figured about how close they are currently. So I am wondering if they have made some more big jumps and don t want to say...like in a new battery type. | hoppeeness | 2019-01-31 19:33:09 | 42 | efh56eo | The fact that all the model S and X now have a 100kWh battery tells me that the 100kWh is about to become the lowest configuration available. The tough thing now is to figure out how to lower the price so that Fred wouldn t request a $5k refund for everyone who has bought the car in the last year or something. So yes something new is about to come out. | dzcFrench | 2019-01-31 22:07:27 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
alt8v2 | [Discussion] On the call Musk said they don t plan to use 2170 Cells in the Model S X. I am no expert on batteries. Could they just repackage the older cells better and get improved range? Or is this a sign that they may have an even newer cell type that will go into the S X? | If you change the chemical make up would the cell type (2170) change or is that just the name of the “canister”? Tesla is still at the top of the heap for range so maybe they just don t care yet about more mileage till Rivian or other get their act together? My hunch is they have a newer cell coming out that will go into the S X and the 3 Y will keep the 2170. Especially since they said 76% of the Model Y was the same as the Model 3. The last part that contributes to my hunch is Musk not giving away their cost per kw to produce. Saying it was proprietary. I think people have already figured about how close they are currently. So I am wondering if they have made some more big jumps and don t want to say...like in a new battery type. | hoppeeness | 2019-01-31 19:33:09 | 42 | efhg56c | 2170 was developed as a good cost-optimized blend of properties (including size cooling and power output). S and X are performance not cost-optimized products—whereas that is part of Model 3 s mission. | jpbeans | 2019-02-01 00:45:08 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
alt8v2 | [Discussion] On the call Musk said they don t plan to use 2170 Cells in the Model S X. I am no expert on batteries. Could they just repackage the older cells better and get improved range? Or is this a sign that they may have an even newer cell type that will go into the S X? | If you change the chemical make up would the cell type (2170) change or is that just the name of the “canister”? Tesla is still at the top of the heap for range so maybe they just don t care yet about more mileage till Rivian or other get their act together? My hunch is they have a newer cell coming out that will go into the S X and the 3 Y will keep the 2170. Especially since they said 76% of the Model Y was the same as the Model 3. The last part that contributes to my hunch is Musk not giving away their cost per kw to produce. Saying it was proprietary. I think people have already figured about how close they are currently. So I am wondering if they have made some more big jumps and don t want to say...like in a new battery type. | hoppeeness | 2019-01-31 19:33:09 | 42 | efgsk09 | I think what more likely to happen is they take the chemistry and pack improvements from the 2170 cells and pack and integrate the advances into a 18650 pack refresh( iirc example is TM3 pack has more cooling capacity and is part of why track mode is a thing. | mastergenera1 | 2019-01-31 19:47:01 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
alt8v2 | [Discussion] On the call Musk said they don t plan to use 2170 Cells in the Model S X. I am no expert on batteries. Could they just repackage the older cells better and get improved range? Or is this a sign that they may have an even newer cell type that will go into the S X? | If you change the chemical make up would the cell type (2170) change or is that just the name of the “canister”? Tesla is still at the top of the heap for range so maybe they just don t care yet about more mileage till Rivian or other get their act together? My hunch is they have a newer cell coming out that will go into the S X and the 3 Y will keep the 2170. Especially since they said 76% of the Model Y was the same as the Model 3. The last part that contributes to my hunch is Musk not giving away their cost per kw to produce. Saying it was proprietary. I think people have already figured about how close they are currently. So I am wondering if they have made some more big jumps and don t want to say...like in a new battery type. | hoppeeness | 2019-01-31 19:33:09 | 42 | efgxipf | Musk said they could double the 100kwh with current technology by 80% of pack increase... | jandmc88 | 2019-01-31 20:43:31 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
alt8v2 | [Discussion] On the call Musk said they don t plan to use 2170 Cells in the Model S X. I am no expert on batteries. Could they just repackage the older cells better and get improved range? Or is this a sign that they may have an even newer cell type that will go into the S X? | If you change the chemical make up would the cell type (2170) change or is that just the name of the “canister”? Tesla is still at the top of the heap for range so maybe they just don t care yet about more mileage till Rivian or other get their act together? My hunch is they have a newer cell coming out that will go into the S X and the 3 Y will keep the 2170. Especially since they said 76% of the Model Y was the same as the Model 3. The last part that contributes to my hunch is Musk not giving away their cost per kw to produce. Saying it was proprietary. I think people have already figured about how close they are currently. So I am wondering if they have made some more big jumps and don t want to say...like in a new battery type. | hoppeeness | 2019-01-31 19:33:09 | 42 | efh8umo | you said 800V requires a special charging network. I disagree. you could simply have a switch within the module that changes the series parallel configuration to be a 400V configuration during charging and 800V during discharge. | GiantPandammonia | 2019-01-31 22:50:43 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
95gmvu | [Discussion] Once TSLA goes private will trolling fall in social media? | I spend a lot of time on Reddit reading about Tesla and alternative energy. I m surprised at all the vitriol out there. You d think that most people would agree that sustainable transportation energy is a good thing. I think that a significant portion of social media traffic is driven by folks with an economic incentive against Tesla. It will be interesting to see how much the volume of negativity will go down once shorts can t bet against Tesla. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2018-08-07 23:08:33 | 20 | e3skfoy | People on social media talking about Tesla but using the company s ticker (TSLA $TSLA #TSLA etc) instead of the company s name (Tesla #Tesla) are the ones that will disappear once Tesla goes private. For some weird reason these people tend to be really vocal everytime news about Tesla make the rounds. | izybit | 2018-08-07 23:21:22 | 31 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
95gmvu | [Discussion] Once TSLA goes private will trolling fall in social media? | I spend a lot of time on Reddit reading about Tesla and alternative energy. I m surprised at all the vitriol out there. You d think that most people would agree that sustainable transportation energy is a good thing. I think that a significant portion of social media traffic is driven by folks with an economic incentive against Tesla. It will be interesting to see how much the volume of negativity will go down once shorts can t bet against Tesla. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2018-08-07 23:08:33 | 20 | e3skfpb | It certainly did for Dell back in 2012-2013 | shotgun_jaker | 2018-08-07 23:21:22 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
95gmvu | [Discussion] Once TSLA goes private will trolling fall in social media? | I spend a lot of time on Reddit reading about Tesla and alternative energy. I m surprised at all the vitriol out there. You d think that most people would agree that sustainable transportation energy is a good thing. I think that a significant portion of social media traffic is driven by folks with an economic incentive against Tesla. It will be interesting to see how much the volume of negativity will go down once shorts can t bet against Tesla. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2018-08-07 23:08:33 | 20 | e3sqk2t | Nope. There are trillions of dollars at stake in ICE vehicles fossil fuels and even the whole grid and all its supporting infrastructure. These are the same people that are risking their own lives and fortunes to deceive all of us about climate change. | Archimid | 2018-08-08 01:00:25 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
95gmvu | [Discussion] Once TSLA goes private will trolling fall in social media? | I spend a lot of time on Reddit reading about Tesla and alternative energy. I m surprised at all the vitriol out there. You d think that most people would agree that sustainable transportation energy is a good thing. I think that a significant portion of social media traffic is driven by folks with an economic incentive against Tesla. It will be interesting to see how much the volume of negativity will go down once shorts can t bet against Tesla. Thoughts? | BitcoinsForTesla | 2018-08-07 23:08:33 | 20 | e3sxsh8 | I predict the trolling will decline but not vanish. There still will be parties who want Tesla to fail. For example: (1) some automakers (2) franchised automobile dealers (3) the United Auto Workers (4) the transportation fuels industry including oil and ethanol (5) institutes trade groups and business leagues controlled by the foregoing. These groups all retain covert political operatives who know how to smear a person company or product. | texelectrix | 2018-08-08 02:55:52 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
83zmyu | [Discussion] Over 6 weeks since Config still no Model 3 delivery. Anyone else having a bad delivery experience? | I configured my TM3 on 1 27 and when I submitted it I was told it could take up to 4 weeks. At week 5 I had VIN assigned and was told my car could be picked up in 2 days. I got insurance and my cashiers check ready for the big day. Then less than 24 hours after I was given a VIN I was told my delivery was cancelled because the car had a critical safety issue (something wrong with suspension). So now I have no car again and no VIN. I was told that I was on a priority list but it s been over a week and I still don t have a new VIN. Anyone else running into these types of delivery issues? I m concerned now because my pre-approval loan is going to expire soon and I have no idea how long I could be looking to wait. | supermarkit | 2018-03-12 23:30:13 | 34 | dvlr2j1 | I wish tesla deliveries were like the Domino s Pizza tracker. | gittenlucky | 2018-03-13 00:12:39 | 27 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
83zmyu | [Discussion] Over 6 weeks since Config still no Model 3 delivery. Anyone else having a bad delivery experience? | I configured my TM3 on 1 27 and when I submitted it I was told it could take up to 4 weeks. At week 5 I had VIN assigned and was told my car could be picked up in 2 days. I got insurance and my cashiers check ready for the big day. Then less than 24 hours after I was given a VIN I was told my delivery was cancelled because the car had a critical safety issue (something wrong with suspension). So now I have no car again and no VIN. I was told that I was on a priority list but it s been over a week and I still don t have a new VIN. Anyone else running into these types of delivery issues? I m concerned now because my pre-approval loan is going to expire soon and I have no idea how long I could be looking to wait. | supermarkit | 2018-03-12 23:30:13 | 34 | dvloyaa | I would keep the pressure on your sales advisor. Whoever emailed you about the VIN being ready would be the best person to contact. They re probably waiting for the next batch of your color to be made but be grateful they caught the mistake before selling you the car. | aaronkalb | 2018-03-12 23:34:37 | 16 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
83zmyu | [Discussion] Over 6 weeks since Config still no Model 3 delivery. Anyone else having a bad delivery experience? | I configured my TM3 on 1 27 and when I submitted it I was told it could take up to 4 weeks. At week 5 I had VIN assigned and was told my car could be picked up in 2 days. I got insurance and my cashiers check ready for the big day. Then less than 24 hours after I was given a VIN I was told my delivery was cancelled because the car had a critical safety issue (something wrong with suspension). So now I have no car again and no VIN. I was told that I was on a priority list but it s been over a week and I still don t have a new VIN. Anyone else running into these types of delivery issues? I m concerned now because my pre-approval loan is going to expire soon and I have no idea how long I could be looking to wait. | supermarkit | 2018-03-12 23:30:13 | 34 | dvlphuh | There s this strange disparity in delivery progress between some people who were invited configured back in January and people who just now have. People on TMC are reporting that they configured 1 27 like OP and still haven t gotten a VIN while huge quantities of people like me configured 2 22 and got ours over the weekend. It s super strange. Makes me wonder if Tesla is just sort of all over the place right now. | ch00f | 2018-03-12 23:44:14 | 14 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
83zmyu | [Discussion] Over 6 weeks since Config still no Model 3 delivery. Anyone else having a bad delivery experience? | I configured my TM3 on 1 27 and when I submitted it I was told it could take up to 4 weeks. At week 5 I had VIN assigned and was told my car could be picked up in 2 days. I got insurance and my cashiers check ready for the big day. Then less than 24 hours after I was given a VIN I was told my delivery was cancelled because the car had a critical safety issue (something wrong with suspension). So now I have no car again and no VIN. I was told that I was on a priority list but it s been over a week and I still don t have a new VIN. Anyone else running into these types of delivery issues? I m concerned now because my pre-approval loan is going to expire soon and I have no idea how long I could be looking to wait. | supermarkit | 2018-03-12 23:30:13 | 34 | dvm0v7f | Be very thankful they found the issue before you took delivery. Given the fact they appear to have almost no quality control it must have been a major issue. My Model 3 has been in service for over 6 weeks now. It feels like i m still waiting. As others have said welcome to Tesla. This is just the beginning. | jjwardSD | 2018-03-13 03:12:59 | 11 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
83zmyu | [Discussion] Over 6 weeks since Config still no Model 3 delivery. Anyone else having a bad delivery experience? | I configured my TM3 on 1 27 and when I submitted it I was told it could take up to 4 weeks. At week 5 I had VIN assigned and was told my car could be picked up in 2 days. I got insurance and my cashiers check ready for the big day. Then less than 24 hours after I was given a VIN I was told my delivery was cancelled because the car had a critical safety issue (something wrong with suspension). So now I have no car again and no VIN. I was told that I was on a priority list but it s been over a week and I still don t have a new VIN. Anyone else running into these types of delivery issues? I m concerned now because my pre-approval loan is going to expire soon and I have no idea how long I could be looking to wait. | supermarkit | 2018-03-12 23:30:13 | 34 | dvlt0tn | It sucks I m sorry it s happening to you. I d much rather hear this story than the alternative universe horror story of having a failure at 75 miles an hour. There s an escalation feature in the mytesla account maybe it s time to use it. I did for some service issues and had a regional executive contact me. | bemental_ | 2018-03-13 00:47:38 | 10 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
83zmyu | [Discussion] Over 6 weeks since Config still no Model 3 delivery. Anyone else having a bad delivery experience? | I configured my TM3 on 1 27 and when I submitted it I was told it could take up to 4 weeks. At week 5 I had VIN assigned and was told my car could be picked up in 2 days. I got insurance and my cashiers check ready for the big day. Then less than 24 hours after I was given a VIN I was told my delivery was cancelled because the car had a critical safety issue (something wrong with suspension). So now I have no car again and no VIN. I was told that I was on a priority list but it s been over a week and I still don t have a new VIN. Anyone else running into these types of delivery issues? I m concerned now because my pre-approval loan is going to expire soon and I have no idea how long I could be looking to wait. | supermarkit | 2018-03-12 23:30:13 | 34 | dvm01hh | I like to own my time and never wait for stuff. Model 3 is the first order that I really have to wait. Got the VIN but no signs of delivery. Tesla will definitely get better but the initial 10 000 orders are seeing varied estimates that miss sometimes by a margin. I wish the $3500 deposit was refundable so I could get a CPO. Car loan rates going up while Tesla s timeline adherence standards going down! | kkiran | 2018-03-13 02:56:32 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2z73td | I am willing to bet that most users myself included don t regularly visit megathreads which if true means they re essential deleted from the forum. The whole point of voting on content is to provide a means to crowdsource the sorting and add value to relevant content. Instead we are allowing individuals to essentially delete content because it s of a certain topic undermining the entire sorting process--which is baffling to me. | YukonBurger | 2018-07-25 00:06:17 | 49 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2ytuob | I somewhat agree but I don t have any solution to offer. If we ditch the megathreads completely the quality of the sub will decline for other reasons. I don t want to see a bunch of inane posts that belong in a megathread. But I also don t like the idea of *everything* that happens to fall into the bucket of investor-related Q& A Experience Ideas + Feedback getting moved into a megathread. It s a tough line to ride. | bariaga | 2018-07-24 20:44:18 | 20 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2yuhlf | I think too much Musk stuff unrelated to Tesla gets posted here so I m fine with mods removing it. I mean if you try hard enough you can justify posting anything about Musk by saying he s the CEO of Tesla and what the CEO of Tesla does is relevant to the company. But I don t think that s what the sub should be about. | LouBrown | 2018-07-24 20:53:18 | 12 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2ytwag | I think we have different views on what is highly upvoted . That first post doesn t at all come close to our threshold to leave it be and was an Investor post for the Investor Megathread (as it s not after any specific event). If we left it be people would complain that we weren t enforcing the rules. We get reports on practically every single post for people who are overzealous. 2nd referenced post was not about Tesla and we had already discussed it in another post that was allowed that stayed. r ElonMusk was following it quite closely. And I m sure there are folks that feel the same way not everyone is going to agree. Balance is never going to be perfect. | 110110 | 2018-07-24 20:44:55 | 11 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2yv0dt | I cannot speak for all the mods but I ll speak for myself in a series of points: First your username makes it hard for me to take you seriously since you clearly started the conversation with a chip on your shoulder. Second the investing thread you mentioned wasn t highly upvoted. In a sub with nearly 300 000 members it didn t get a ton of velocity and looking at it now I see that it s approved. So I m not really sure what the problem is. I think that if you read the rules as-written it s pretty clear where that post should go. If you re lobbying to change the rules that s a different conversation. Third some threads are pruned because they are related to other content we ve had to prune. The issue with the Cave Diver Pedo tweet required a lot of mod intervention because it became increasingly nasty. So just as we re getting past that the next post is a new place for those same posters to rally and reload. Yes we used Rule 2 to kill it but it was Rule 2 with a side of Last time we saw this we had a giant mess. Fourth you have no idea how many inane repetitious posts we have to cull on a daily basis. We re not going to be right 100% of the time. Sometimes we re wrong. Other times we re grumpy because we ve seen some bad stuff we ve had to deal with. We do the best we can. If you don t like a mod decision you can appeal it by messaging the mods and we can talk about it. EDIT: Fixed the numbers because I m tired human and busy. | majesticjg | 2018-07-24 21:00:43 | 6 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2yv8m2 | To both your examples - there are already other subs dedicated to Elon Musk and to investing. While this sub can be whatever the members mods want it to be I come here to hear about the products of Tesla that other stuff is off-message and belongs elsewhere in my view. | GoodNegotiation | 2018-07-24 21:03:58 | 6 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2yw211 | Even this Model 3 Therapy Thread got removed. I thought it was fun and engaging for r teslamotors visitors but whatever. I guess if we want this subreddit to be boring and dull that s fine. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8z6jf8 model_3_therapy_thread Edit: OK.. I apologize the mods are great! :) | mrfreeze574 | 2018-07-24 21:15:43 | 6 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2yuvz7 | Meh. I might agree with those two but in general I think way too much stuff gets to stay. Another article about a topic we ve already had three articles about that says nothing new sure you can stay. What s that the rain made a design on your roof have at it. Oh and somebody saw their first Tesla and uploaded a photo at just the right time to get some upvotes you can stay too apparently. | mwwalk | 2018-07-24 20:58:57 | 5 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2ywern | Yes i agree. For quarterly results for example huge announcements are made. Each announcement should have the opportunity to be its own post vs being bottled into a megathread. Thats my opinion. | altimas | 2018-07-24 21:20:50 | 5 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2z16mf | Relative to the majority of subs I like the mods here but maybe overmodding can sometimes be an issue? If you want to see all the censored posts and investigate further go here: https: snew.github.io r teslamotors Posts like this [were locked](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8ydndo bill_nye_flexing_with_his_new_tesla_battery_grid ) when I think free discussion should be allowed. Locking it is just giving in to the trolls. This is an internet forum - we shouldn t be looking for perfection and a spotless discussion. **EDIT:** Just in the past 24 hours I found a few posts which were quite well received but were removed mostly without stated reasons: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91hrn0 what_are_some_must_have_accessories_as_a_tesla https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91hqsm motortrend_on_the_model_3_in_maybe_120_wheel https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91dcwi a_long_overdue_walkthrough https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91cs5g switched_from_black_model_3_to_a_blue_model_3 https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91a3ip tesla_addresses_reports_that_its_asking_suppliers https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 912ylj s3x_in_my_driveway | twinbee | 2018-07-24 22:32:42 | 5 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
91l547 | [Discussion] Over pruning of r teslamotors | It s my personally opinion that the quality of r teslamotors has gone down recently due to our moderators being too strict in curating content. I feel like important discussions are being moved out of sight giving them less attention than they deserve. Furthermore whats left to discuss isn t all that interesting leaving the hot sorting devoid of interesting posts. Here are some examples: https: old.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 91ierb morgan_stanley_baird_weigh_in_on_tesla_tsla Highly upvoted but moved to investor megathread on a day when a lot of longs probably felt uneasy. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8znjq9 full_story_of_elons_involvement_with_the_cave Removed for rule 2 even though Elon later referenced the article in his apology which also referenced being CEO of Tesla motors. The community asked specifically that this post be allowed to stand. I m sure there are other. Just wondering if other subscribers were feeling the same way. | Soooohatemods | 2018-07-24 20:35:21 | 91 | e2zg4wm | Honestly I hate megathreads. The whole point of Reddit is for me to scroll through posts and read what I like. Not check a megathreads every day for changes. Get rid of them. | frosty95 | 2018-07-25 02:32:35 | 5 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
7vht14 | [Discussion] Owners in Southern California could you get by never charging at home? | As of today I don t own a tesla but I do anticipate owning one in about 4 months. I m also looking to move in about 2 months. Unfortunately the apartment I m set on offers one charging station and nothing else. They haven t gotten back to me on installing garage charging yet. I really don t want to pick my place of living because of my car but I think I care about owning a tesla just slightly more than I care about this apartment so depending on the answers here I may pick a new place. So for anyone living in LA or the area how would you feel about charging away from home only? Would it greatly (negatively) affect your life? Is it just like getting gas in a normal car? If you didn t have a reliable way to charge at home would you own a tesla? | TheOriginalHavoc | 2018-02-05 20:43:04 | 17 | dtse0x9 | For the 3 you might get by on 120 20 charging (7 mph). A regular 120 15 outlet yields five mph. This assumes the garage has such outlets you can use. The S isn t quite as efficient so you may not find that as viable. Nice car however. | 1st3inAZ | 2018-02-05 20:57:31 | 9 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7vht14 | [Discussion] Owners in Southern California could you get by never charging at home? | As of today I don t own a tesla but I do anticipate owning one in about 4 months. I m also looking to move in about 2 months. Unfortunately the apartment I m set on offers one charging station and nothing else. They haven t gotten back to me on installing garage charging yet. I really don t want to pick my place of living because of my car but I think I care about owning a tesla just slightly more than I care about this apartment so depending on the answers here I may pick a new place. So for anyone living in LA or the area how would you feel about charging away from home only? Would it greatly (negatively) affect your life? Is it just like getting gas in a normal car? If you didn t have a reliable way to charge at home would you own a tesla? | TheOriginalHavoc | 2018-02-05 20:43:04 | 17 | dtszrb6 | FYI for OP and others. I ve seen people mention supercharging. According to our delivery specialist you should _not_ use supercharging often only for road trips. Reason being that supercharging puts a large strain on the battery. If used frequently you ll significantly reduce the battery s lifespan. Considering the cost of the batteries that s perhaps not a wise move. | fpgaminer | 2018-02-06 03:15:24 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9hjuij | [Discussion] Owners who choose to not get Paint Protection Film Ceramic Coatings high end tint etc. why? | Given that these are pretty expensive cars I see a lot of people springing for them. In some states tint is more of a necessity than an option furthermore I do see people tend to spring for the more expensive tint as well. I m aware of the reasonings to get those so I m interested to hear from those who choose to skip out on a number of them or compromise somehow. What are your reasonings to do so? (FWIW right now I m planning to just tint my car though the amount is under debate) edit: why the downvotes? this isn t even shaming making fun of those who get it (if i had more $$$ leftover I would more easily spring for a bunch of these things without a second thought). edit 2: wow tough crowd. must be dealing with the same people that don t like fobs for model 3 s. | quantumslip | 2018-09-20 22:53:38 | 22 | e6chphc | Guaranteed sunk cost to potentially prevent an unknown cost. | bike_buddy | 2018-09-20 22:59:45 | 48 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
9hjuij | [Discussion] Owners who choose to not get Paint Protection Film Ceramic Coatings high end tint etc. why? | Given that these are pretty expensive cars I see a lot of people springing for them. In some states tint is more of a necessity than an option furthermore I do see people tend to spring for the more expensive tint as well. I m aware of the reasonings to get those so I m interested to hear from those who choose to skip out on a number of them or compromise somehow. What are your reasonings to do so? (FWIW right now I m planning to just tint my car though the amount is under debate) edit: why the downvotes? this isn t even shaming making fun of those who get it (if i had more $$$ leftover I would more easily spring for a bunch of these things without a second thought). edit 2: wow tough crowd. must be dealing with the same people that don t like fobs for model 3 s. | quantumslip | 2018-09-20 22:53:38 | 22 | e6ck0i0 | The car is not special in 5 years it will just be another used car. I don t care how perfect your paint is you aren t going to recoup the cost of PPF. That is like saying you found this 2010 Nissan Maxima and it is worth $4000 more because the paint is great. | itsjustkeyrock | 2018-09-20 23:37:43 | 46 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
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