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9mnh90 | [Discussion] Is anyone else waiting for the Model Y? Has there been any more information about it recently? | Is anyone else waiting for the Model Y? I like the Model 3 and I m having a tough time keeping myself from pulling the trigger and purchasing one but I always wanted a crossover or mini SUV. I guess I ll be waiting a while. Is there any recent news about the Y? Is it still supposed to be unveiled early next year? I seem to recall something about March as a reveal date but it seems like there has been radio silence since then - especially with so much focus on the 3. Has Elon or anyone confirmed any features? Thx very much. | tnitty | 2018-10-09 08:46:55 | 30 | e7g2jca | I am waiting to get one but haven t heard anything new. Given Tesla s history of previous program roll outs I would assume first production models will be delivered by June July 2020. Also given the typical options I would assume they will have SR and LR batteries RWD and AWD premium interior EAP FSD options rims a similar center screen to the model 3 and of course a performance version. Potential options could be number of seats tow package and pano roof depending on if they re including falcon wing doors or not. | rlovepalomar | 2018-10-09 11:49:09 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ajhgzr | [Discussion] Is anyone in Mexico expecting their Model 3? | Or another Tesla I would like to know hows your experience been and what are you planning to do with your car regarding trips and commutes also if there s any nearby SC. Any info about full cost and what car you used to have before. I have seen some people selling Model 3 on mercado libre and I have seen some model xs but I wanna know if some people here reserved model 3 and if they are getting theirs this year at least. | shoemakerlevi | 2019-01-24 21:27:51 | 15 | eewgntj | I wish Tesla would add Superchargers in Baja - it would be great to be able to drive from Sam Diego all the way down to Cabos! | ehuna | 2019-01-25 04:26:14 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
axmov2 | [Discussion] Is anyone interested in a Tesla truck-based SUV? | At this point Tesla has two known CUVs - the X and the Y. They re both based on car platforms and are essentially lifted Model 3 and S with their roof raised. While that will be great for families and suburbanites traditionally SUVs are also capable adventure vehicles as well. Elon announced that the pickup truck would be coming next year presumably on a different platform suited for that type of vehicle. Given Tesla s trend of releasing two vehicles per platform it would make sense to complete their lineup with an SUV capable of tackling varying terrain. Competitors would be vehicles such as the Lexus LX Toyota 4Runner Range Rover and similar. My wish list for the Model U as I m calling it includes: * Various terrain settings * Air suspension * Advanced torque vectoring system * Equivalent of low gearing setting to give crawl capabilities * AutoCrawl - basically autopilot but the car manually navigates tricky terrain (I m dreaming remember) * High approach and departure angles * Weather resistant interior * 125kWh+ battery (I m thinking this would be a 2022-2024 vehicle) with 350 miles of range | thepolan | 2019-03-05 15:59:50 | 39 | ehuo4kl | Or like Rivian with their pickup truck R1T turned into a SUV truck R1S? So that the Tesla Pickup platform can be used a second time with Model X-like interior | TechVelociraptor | 2019-03-05 17:07:47 | 9 | Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck |
axmov2 | [Discussion] Is anyone interested in a Tesla truck-based SUV? | At this point Tesla has two known CUVs - the X and the Y. They re both based on car platforms and are essentially lifted Model 3 and S with their roof raised. While that will be great for families and suburbanites traditionally SUVs are also capable adventure vehicles as well. Elon announced that the pickup truck would be coming next year presumably on a different platform suited for that type of vehicle. Given Tesla s trend of releasing two vehicles per platform it would make sense to complete their lineup with an SUV capable of tackling varying terrain. Competitors would be vehicles such as the Lexus LX Toyota 4Runner Range Rover and similar. My wish list for the Model U as I m calling it includes: * Various terrain settings * Air suspension * Advanced torque vectoring system * Equivalent of low gearing setting to give crawl capabilities * AutoCrawl - basically autopilot but the car manually navigates tricky terrain (I m dreaming remember) * High approach and departure angles * Weather resistant interior * 125kWh+ battery (I m thinking this would be a 2022-2024 vehicle) with 350 miles of range | thepolan | 2019-03-05 15:59:50 | 39 | ehujht8 | I d go for an 8ft bed + camper shell over more seating. | nreyes238 | 2019-03-05 16:16:39 | 7 | Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck |
axmov2 | [Discussion] Is anyone interested in a Tesla truck-based SUV? | At this point Tesla has two known CUVs - the X and the Y. They re both based on car platforms and are essentially lifted Model 3 and S with their roof raised. While that will be great for families and suburbanites traditionally SUVs are also capable adventure vehicles as well. Elon announced that the pickup truck would be coming next year presumably on a different platform suited for that type of vehicle. Given Tesla s trend of releasing two vehicles per platform it would make sense to complete their lineup with an SUV capable of tackling varying terrain. Competitors would be vehicles such as the Lexus LX Toyota 4Runner Range Rover and similar. My wish list for the Model U as I m calling it includes: * Various terrain settings * Air suspension * Advanced torque vectoring system * Equivalent of low gearing setting to give crawl capabilities * AutoCrawl - basically autopilot but the car manually navigates tricky terrain (I m dreaming remember) * High approach and departure angles * Weather resistant interior * 125kWh+ battery (I m thinking this would be a 2022-2024 vehicle) with 350 miles of range | thepolan | 2019-03-05 15:59:50 | 39 | ehuljwm | I would like them to produce a rolling chassis like the Transit ProMaster Ducato or Sprinter. Make the inverter provide 110v AC power for use with tools or RV interior fixtures. Have the ability to have autopilot work so I can have my RV drive me while I sleep in the back in the future. | ThaiTum | 2019-03-05 16:39:35 | 7 | Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck |
ci59w5 | [Discussion] Is anyone running a Powerwall without solar? | Sorry to be a non-motors question I can t find a comparable Powerwall community. I know Powerwall is meant to be charged by solar but 70% of my electric bill goes to the 20 hrs of the week that are peak power. If I could charge Powerwalls off the electric grid during off-peak I d get 70% of the savings of a solar project at 35% of the cost and still get the benefit of backup power and future option to use as solar storage. Tesla told me over the phone that this is possible but I wanted to know if anyone has succeeded in doing it (even better if they re in Arizona on APS). I know I lose the FITC I know this just supports the fossil fuels I ve branded this the Dark Energy project in my household. | digitalcascade | 2019-07-26 16:46:23 | 29 | ev1k5j5 | Have you estimated what your breakeven period would be with this setup? | GrilledCheeseDolphin | 2019-07-26 16:54:18 | 9 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
ci59w5 | [Discussion] Is anyone running a Powerwall without solar? | Sorry to be a non-motors question I can t find a comparable Powerwall community. I know Powerwall is meant to be charged by solar but 70% of my electric bill goes to the 20 hrs of the week that are peak power. If I could charge Powerwalls off the electric grid during off-peak I d get 70% of the savings of a solar project at 35% of the cost and still get the benefit of backup power and future option to use as solar storage. Tesla told me over the phone that this is possible but I wanted to know if anyone has succeeded in doing it (even better if they re in Arizona on APS). I know I lose the FITC I know this just supports the fossil fuels I ve branded this the Dark Energy project in my household. | digitalcascade | 2019-07-26 16:46:23 | 29 | ev1mf4m | https: www.tesla.com support energy powerwall mobile-app time-based-control | hkibad | 2019-07-26 17:15:23 | 5 | Tesla Solar Panel Decision |
8pa93e | [Discussion] Is everyone else as anxious as I am as we await the thousands of invites that are sure to be sent in the next week or so? | I m not even remotely close on the list to be included in the next batch but i am so excited and anxious for that to happen! I can t wait to see that first “I got an invite” post! Anyone care to guess how many invites would be sent at once? | amdizack | 2018-06-07 13:21:32 | 38 | e0a64k9 | I really don t know why they don t just open the configurator to everyone at this point with ALL options listed then after you configure what you want it gives you an up-to-date expected delivery time then you can decide whether to proceed with the payment. This way they could go ahead and figure which preorder people are ready to buy the more expensive AWD or Performance versions. | red_stripe05 | 2018-06-07 18:28:39 | 10 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8pa93e | [Discussion] Is everyone else as anxious as I am as we await the thousands of invites that are sure to be sent in the next week or so? | I m not even remotely close on the list to be included in the next batch but i am so excited and anxious for that to happen! I can t wait to see that first “I got an invite” post! Anyone care to guess how many invites would be sent at once? | amdizack | 2018-06-07 13:21:32 | 38 | e09l7zu | Yeaaah... keep refreshing the new tab hoping to see those sometime soon. | Eldanon | 2018-06-07 13:23:05 | 7 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
azmrvh | [Discussion] Is it a mistake purchasing a Model S right now (2018)? | Hey guys & #x200B I ve been lurking around this subreddit for a while exploring my options in terms of purchasing a Tesla. I test drove an S two weeks ago and really liked it and put a deposit down for a 100d with EHA 87k. I m from NJ so the incentive is the $3750 + no sales tax. My biggest worry is should I wait for the new Model S s to come with the supposed new battery with better cooling and v3 support or even explore my options with the Model 3. I see many recommending the Model 3 right now is it that technologically advanced than the Model S? Is there any pattern in terms of when the newer Model S X line up will be revealed where either they will be available or the 2018 model I m looking at right now will be cut in price? Is the v3 compatibilty that big of a deal? I feel like I m getting an okay deal right now with it being the long range 100d but unsure. | iiEvOL | 2019-03-11 00:46:02 | 12 | ei8xmyt | This is only speculation on my part but I think the recent price cuts were paving the way for a 2nd generation S and (perhaps later) X. Just when that will happen and how dramatic the advance who knows? If you are on a timetable or just want the best deal go ahead and buy. If you are very concerned about getting the newest tech then you may want to wait and see. I will say I think it s unlikely that the current generation S will be cut much lower than the price it s at now. I d expect the price to bounce back up when Gen 2 rolls out. To me personally V3 compatibility isn t *that* big of a deal. It s nice for the longer-term future but V2 stations aren t bad and aren t going to be replaced wholesale anytime soon. | ZobeidZuma | 2019-03-11 01:36:26 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9ac443 | [Discussion] Is it normal to get only 88% or less of predicted range? (Model 3 RWD) | Today I took an all day trip that was planned at 211 miles round trip with two detours I ended up driving 225 miles. I had let my car charge to 90% then bumped it up to 100% about 45 minutes or so before leaving with about 295 miles of range. By the time I had stopped the Since last charge trip meter was showing 225.4 miles 58 kWh and 259 Wh mi and I had 34 miles remaining predicted. Assuming the 34 miles of range remaining is accurate that leaves me with about 260 miles off of a predicted 295 or 88% of the predicted range. I did use AC for about half of the trip I sat waiting in one spot for about 15 minutes with the AC on and the car was off and not checked on or woken up at all for about 3 hours in the middle of the trip. I averaged probably 60 miles per hour with some parts on winding country roads at 50 mph and some parts on the interstate at 79 mph. It was about 72F in the morning for the first half and about 83F in the afternoon for the second half. I have aero wheels with the covers on. All tires are inflated to right around 42 PSI The main reason I m asking is I have heard of people getting more range out of their cars than advertised or at least pretty damn close. I wouldn t think that using AC would result in a loss of 12% or more range but I could be wrong. Is what I m seeing normal? Is there anything I should be doing to get better range? And most importantly what should I do to ensure I can accuratly predict how far I can drive? I should include the obligatory I love the car! and all that but we all know it s a great car already so no need to go into details. Thanks! | zipdiss | 2018-08-26 01:55:41 | 12 | e4ubp45 | Tire PSI makes a pretty big difference higher inflation for more range. Speed makes an even bigger difference cruise slower to go further. Lastly rely on the regen brake as much as possible every time you hit the brake pedal you re losing electricity. | antariusz | 2018-08-26 02:05:49 | 17 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9ac443 | [Discussion] Is it normal to get only 88% or less of predicted range? (Model 3 RWD) | Today I took an all day trip that was planned at 211 miles round trip with two detours I ended up driving 225 miles. I had let my car charge to 90% then bumped it up to 100% about 45 minutes or so before leaving with about 295 miles of range. By the time I had stopped the Since last charge trip meter was showing 225.4 miles 58 kWh and 259 Wh mi and I had 34 miles remaining predicted. Assuming the 34 miles of range remaining is accurate that leaves me with about 260 miles off of a predicted 295 or 88% of the predicted range. I did use AC for about half of the trip I sat waiting in one spot for about 15 minutes with the AC on and the car was off and not checked on or woken up at all for about 3 hours in the middle of the trip. I averaged probably 60 miles per hour with some parts on winding country roads at 50 mph and some parts on the interstate at 79 mph. It was about 72F in the morning for the first half and about 83F in the afternoon for the second half. I have aero wheels with the covers on. All tires are inflated to right around 42 PSI The main reason I m asking is I have heard of people getting more range out of their cars than advertised or at least pretty damn close. I wouldn t think that using AC would result in a loss of 12% or more range but I could be wrong. Is what I m seeing normal? Is there anything I should be doing to get better range? And most importantly what should I do to ensure I can accuratly predict how far I can drive? I should include the obligatory I love the car! and all that but we all know it s a great car already so no need to go into details. Thanks! | zipdiss | 2018-08-26 01:55:41 | 12 | e4udr3n | Model 3 has around 75 kWh (usable) which means that the estimated range if you consume 259 wh mi is 290 miles. Probably your driving style (higher speed or sudden acceleration deceleration) is the reason you get a shorter (estimated) range. Also winds road condition environment etc can affect your consumption. Try to bring the Wh mi number down to around 240 by changing your driving style and you will have no trouble getting more accurate estimates. | izybit | 2018-08-26 02:43:31 | 15 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9ac443 | [Discussion] Is it normal to get only 88% or less of predicted range? (Model 3 RWD) | Today I took an all day trip that was planned at 211 miles round trip with two detours I ended up driving 225 miles. I had let my car charge to 90% then bumped it up to 100% about 45 minutes or so before leaving with about 295 miles of range. By the time I had stopped the Since last charge trip meter was showing 225.4 miles 58 kWh and 259 Wh mi and I had 34 miles remaining predicted. Assuming the 34 miles of range remaining is accurate that leaves me with about 260 miles off of a predicted 295 or 88% of the predicted range. I did use AC for about half of the trip I sat waiting in one spot for about 15 minutes with the AC on and the car was off and not checked on or woken up at all for about 3 hours in the middle of the trip. I averaged probably 60 miles per hour with some parts on winding country roads at 50 mph and some parts on the interstate at 79 mph. It was about 72F in the morning for the first half and about 83F in the afternoon for the second half. I have aero wheels with the covers on. All tires are inflated to right around 42 PSI The main reason I m asking is I have heard of people getting more range out of their cars than advertised or at least pretty damn close. I wouldn t think that using AC would result in a loss of 12% or more range but I could be wrong. Is what I m seeing normal? Is there anything I should be doing to get better range? And most importantly what should I do to ensure I can accuratly predict how far I can drive? I should include the obligatory I love the car! and all that but we all know it s a great car already so no need to go into details. Thanks! | zipdiss | 2018-08-26 01:55:41 | 12 | e4ugb6g | It s likely your speed. Study this chart: https: model3ownersclub.com threads tesla-model-s-x-3-range-at-65-70-75-80-mph.5496 | RGuyM | 2018-08-26 03:31:54 | 9 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9ac443 | [Discussion] Is it normal to get only 88% or less of predicted range? (Model 3 RWD) | Today I took an all day trip that was planned at 211 miles round trip with two detours I ended up driving 225 miles. I had let my car charge to 90% then bumped it up to 100% about 45 minutes or so before leaving with about 295 miles of range. By the time I had stopped the Since last charge trip meter was showing 225.4 miles 58 kWh and 259 Wh mi and I had 34 miles remaining predicted. Assuming the 34 miles of range remaining is accurate that leaves me with about 260 miles off of a predicted 295 or 88% of the predicted range. I did use AC for about half of the trip I sat waiting in one spot for about 15 minutes with the AC on and the car was off and not checked on or woken up at all for about 3 hours in the middle of the trip. I averaged probably 60 miles per hour with some parts on winding country roads at 50 mph and some parts on the interstate at 79 mph. It was about 72F in the morning for the first half and about 83F in the afternoon for the second half. I have aero wheels with the covers on. All tires are inflated to right around 42 PSI The main reason I m asking is I have heard of people getting more range out of their cars than advertised or at least pretty damn close. I wouldn t think that using AC would result in a loss of 12% or more range but I could be wrong. Is what I m seeing normal? Is there anything I should be doing to get better range? And most importantly what should I do to ensure I can accuratly predict how far I can drive? I should include the obligatory I love the car! and all that but we all know it s a great car already so no need to go into details. Thanks! | zipdiss | 2018-08-26 01:55:41 | 12 | e4udg21 | How many miles at 79 mph? | garthreddit | 2018-08-26 02:37:36 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9ac443 | [Discussion] Is it normal to get only 88% or less of predicted range? (Model 3 RWD) | Today I took an all day trip that was planned at 211 miles round trip with two detours I ended up driving 225 miles. I had let my car charge to 90% then bumped it up to 100% about 45 minutes or so before leaving with about 295 miles of range. By the time I had stopped the Since last charge trip meter was showing 225.4 miles 58 kWh and 259 Wh mi and I had 34 miles remaining predicted. Assuming the 34 miles of range remaining is accurate that leaves me with about 260 miles off of a predicted 295 or 88% of the predicted range. I did use AC for about half of the trip I sat waiting in one spot for about 15 minutes with the AC on and the car was off and not checked on or woken up at all for about 3 hours in the middle of the trip. I averaged probably 60 miles per hour with some parts on winding country roads at 50 mph and some parts on the interstate at 79 mph. It was about 72F in the morning for the first half and about 83F in the afternoon for the second half. I have aero wheels with the covers on. All tires are inflated to right around 42 PSI The main reason I m asking is I have heard of people getting more range out of their cars than advertised or at least pretty damn close. I wouldn t think that using AC would result in a loss of 12% or more range but I could be wrong. Is what I m seeing normal? Is there anything I should be doing to get better range? And most importantly what should I do to ensure I can accuratly predict how far I can drive? I should include the obligatory I love the car! and all that but we all know it s a great car already so no need to go into details. Thanks! | zipdiss | 2018-08-26 01:55:41 | 12 | e4uivtv | Tire PSI high cruising speed rapid acceleration... Lots of things can hurt your actual range. | ilkhan2016 | 2018-08-26 04:24:25 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
9ac443 | [Discussion] Is it normal to get only 88% or less of predicted range? (Model 3 RWD) | Today I took an all day trip that was planned at 211 miles round trip with two detours I ended up driving 225 miles. I had let my car charge to 90% then bumped it up to 100% about 45 minutes or so before leaving with about 295 miles of range. By the time I had stopped the Since last charge trip meter was showing 225.4 miles 58 kWh and 259 Wh mi and I had 34 miles remaining predicted. Assuming the 34 miles of range remaining is accurate that leaves me with about 260 miles off of a predicted 295 or 88% of the predicted range. I did use AC for about half of the trip I sat waiting in one spot for about 15 minutes with the AC on and the car was off and not checked on or woken up at all for about 3 hours in the middle of the trip. I averaged probably 60 miles per hour with some parts on winding country roads at 50 mph and some parts on the interstate at 79 mph. It was about 72F in the morning for the first half and about 83F in the afternoon for the second half. I have aero wheels with the covers on. All tires are inflated to right around 42 PSI The main reason I m asking is I have heard of people getting more range out of their cars than advertised or at least pretty damn close. I wouldn t think that using AC would result in a loss of 12% or more range but I could be wrong. Is what I m seeing normal? Is there anything I should be doing to get better range? And most importantly what should I do to ensure I can accuratly predict how far I can drive? I should include the obligatory I love the car! and all that but we all know it s a great car already so no need to go into details. Thanks! | zipdiss | 2018-08-26 01:55:41 | 12 | e4up7qc | It s that 79mph on the freeway that ate your range. | BEVboy | 2018-08-26 07:11:56 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
awvogo | [Discussion] Is it time for Tesla to advertise? | Considering the recent spat of changes -- not insignificantly: Tesla s wholesale shift to an online sales model -- might it be time for Tesla to start advertising? Personally my 77 y o father drives my Model 3 fairly often and raves about it to everyone he knows -- and I do the same. People who ride love the car ... all that said no one we know has made the jump for a Model 3. It just seems that if Model 3 is now a mass consumer vehicle it should have the mass marketing to go with it. Especially with the online sales model it should be relatively easy to use analytics to gauge which mediums and strategies are yielding orders. Thoughts? | TheBurtReynold | 2019-03-03 16:41:51 | 10 | ehpgy6o | My thought is that Tesla will start advertising when that is the lever they need to pull to increase demand. They certainly don t need to pull that lever now. | MartyBecker | 2019-03-03 16:52:50 | 15 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
awvogo | [Discussion] Is it time for Tesla to advertise? | Considering the recent spat of changes -- not insignificantly: Tesla s wholesale shift to an online sales model -- might it be time for Tesla to start advertising? Personally my 77 y o father drives my Model 3 fairly often and raves about it to everyone he knows -- and I do the same. People who ride love the car ... all that said no one we know has made the jump for a Model 3. It just seems that if Model 3 is now a mass consumer vehicle it should have the mass marketing to go with it. Especially with the online sales model it should be relatively easy to use analytics to gauge which mediums and strategies are yielding orders. Thoughts? | TheBurtReynold | 2019-03-03 16:41:51 | 10 | ehplp9q | You are doing a good job of Advertising for Tesla. Tesla doesn t need to waste money on advertising. Word of mouth is much more effective than paid advertisements. Tesla has probably 200k backlog for immediate US demand not including all other markets. Stores were always going to be temporary for Tesla. Elon wanted to go full internet sales. Now he got his way. Eliminating any costs which are not value added will be cut. | DrElectrons | 2019-03-03 17:53:57 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aqcioy | [Discussion] Is it worth buying a Model 3 forAutopilot? | Hello I have been considering this for sometime but figured id ask those who have the car to see if this is even remotely logical. I have 2 cars. A Truck and an SL63 that my wife drives. I need a truck so getting rid of that is not an option. I really like the idea of going to and from work using the autopilot program as well as the benefits of an all electric vehicle (tax savings no gas HOV lane usage etc). Would it be worth buying a model 3 with rear wheel drive and adding the $5 000 autopilot for a total of $41 000 or $500 a month to reap the benefits listed above ? Is the model 3 autopilot the same as the S autopilot v ? I ve watched plenty many videos about the car and my mom got an X that was totaled within a matter of weeks (not her fault) and that was the end of Tesla. Any input would be a awesome. Apologies if this comes across as uneducated but I am. I don t have a Tesla and have never driven a 3. | sinkable | 2019-02-13 22:37:27 | 19 | egezzqg | I can t answer for your finances. But I m only in a Tesla for autopilot. It was worth it for me. (X first and now a 3 that I like more). | SparkySpecter | 2019-02-13 22:39:01 | 24 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aqcioy | [Discussion] Is it worth buying a Model 3 forAutopilot? | Hello I have been considering this for sometime but figured id ask those who have the car to see if this is even remotely logical. I have 2 cars. A Truck and an SL63 that my wife drives. I need a truck so getting rid of that is not an option. I really like the idea of going to and from work using the autopilot program as well as the benefits of an all electric vehicle (tax savings no gas HOV lane usage etc). Would it be worth buying a model 3 with rear wheel drive and adding the $5 000 autopilot for a total of $41 000 or $500 a month to reap the benefits listed above ? Is the model 3 autopilot the same as the S autopilot v ? I ve watched plenty many videos about the car and my mom got an X that was totaled within a matter of weeks (not her fault) and that was the end of Tesla. Any input would be a awesome. Apologies if this comes across as uneducated but I am. I don t have a Tesla and have never driven a 3. | sinkable | 2019-02-13 22:37:27 | 19 | egf0hhi | EAP was the primary factor contributing to my purchase of my Model 3. I do a 5 hour interstate driving loop once per week (over 2 days) that used to leave me feeling pretty tired. With EAP I feel 100% fresh afterwards and that s with keeping focus on the road the entire time. I would never have guessed having to make micro-corrections to stay within the lanes was such a mental drain but it really was. | crdnilfan | 2019-02-13 22:44:27 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aqcioy | [Discussion] Is it worth buying a Model 3 forAutopilot? | Hello I have been considering this for sometime but figured id ask those who have the car to see if this is even remotely logical. I have 2 cars. A Truck and an SL63 that my wife drives. I need a truck so getting rid of that is not an option. I really like the idea of going to and from work using the autopilot program as well as the benefits of an all electric vehicle (tax savings no gas HOV lane usage etc). Would it be worth buying a model 3 with rear wheel drive and adding the $5 000 autopilot for a total of $41 000 or $500 a month to reap the benefits listed above ? Is the model 3 autopilot the same as the S autopilot v ? I ve watched plenty many videos about the car and my mom got an X that was totaled within a matter of weeks (not her fault) and that was the end of Tesla. Any input would be a awesome. Apologies if this comes across as uneducated but I am. I don t have a Tesla and have never driven a 3. | sinkable | 2019-02-13 22:37:27 | 19 | egf0ir5 | I did. Best purchasing decision I ve ever made. Possibly saved my life as my blood pressure has dropped substantially since the purchase and I used to stress a lot in traffic. | run-the-joules | 2019-02-13 22:44:50 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aqcioy | [Discussion] Is it worth buying a Model 3 forAutopilot? | Hello I have been considering this for sometime but figured id ask those who have the car to see if this is even remotely logical. I have 2 cars. A Truck and an SL63 that my wife drives. I need a truck so getting rid of that is not an option. I really like the idea of going to and from work using the autopilot program as well as the benefits of an all electric vehicle (tax savings no gas HOV lane usage etc). Would it be worth buying a model 3 with rear wheel drive and adding the $5 000 autopilot for a total of $41 000 or $500 a month to reap the benefits listed above ? Is the model 3 autopilot the same as the S autopilot v ? I ve watched plenty many videos about the car and my mom got an X that was totaled within a matter of weeks (not her fault) and that was the end of Tesla. Any input would be a awesome. Apologies if this comes across as uneducated but I am. I don t have a Tesla and have never driven a 3. | sinkable | 2019-02-13 22:37:27 | 19 | egf20b0 | Whether or not it s worth it is really a personal choice. But I can tell you this - every morning and evening I commute on highways 280 and 101 in the San Francisco Bay Area i.e. *heavy* traffic full of crazies idiots distracted drivers semis busses basically everything you can imagine. I use autopilot in my Model 3 for probably 75%+ of the commute both ways and it is a joy. I can kick back enjoy my coffee listen to an album or podcast and in some ways relax like a passenger in my car rather than the driver. You still need to stay reasonably alert just in case but it is SO much less stressful. I love autopilot. I understand why some people would be scared of it but I ve used it in enough varied circumstances to know that it s just as reliable a driver as any alert and intelligent human. Bear in mind the car s autopilot systems are helping out even when you are the driver and AP is not engaged. My car has taken over while I was driving to avert disasters I didn t even see. One time a motorcycle swerved into my lane without notice and the car automatically ducked and weaved just enough to miss killing the motorcyclist but without losing control OR causing a danger for other drivers behind me. It was fucking amazing. So yes the Tesla Model 3 with autopilot is absolutely worth it in my opinion. | beenyweenies | 2019-02-13 23:02:01 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aqcioy | [Discussion] Is it worth buying a Model 3 forAutopilot? | Hello I have been considering this for sometime but figured id ask those who have the car to see if this is even remotely logical. I have 2 cars. A Truck and an SL63 that my wife drives. I need a truck so getting rid of that is not an option. I really like the idea of going to and from work using the autopilot program as well as the benefits of an all electric vehicle (tax savings no gas HOV lane usage etc). Would it be worth buying a model 3 with rear wheel drive and adding the $5 000 autopilot for a total of $41 000 or $500 a month to reap the benefits listed above ? Is the model 3 autopilot the same as the S autopilot v ? I ve watched plenty many videos about the car and my mom got an X that was totaled within a matter of weeks (not her fault) and that was the end of Tesla. Any input would be a awesome. Apologies if this comes across as uneducated but I am. I don t have a Tesla and have never driven a 3. | sinkable | 2019-02-13 22:37:27 | 19 | egfb03n | I m shocked at how much I use autopilot. It really makes hours on the highway melt away without all the stress of micro-adjustments to stay in the lane and speed up and slow down. My wife also enjoys that I don t tailgate because of the cushion it keeps. | RedRoverAWD | 2019-02-14 00:59:35 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aqcioy | [Discussion] Is it worth buying a Model 3 forAutopilot? | Hello I have been considering this for sometime but figured id ask those who have the car to see if this is even remotely logical. I have 2 cars. A Truck and an SL63 that my wife drives. I need a truck so getting rid of that is not an option. I really like the idea of going to and from work using the autopilot program as well as the benefits of an all electric vehicle (tax savings no gas HOV lane usage etc). Would it be worth buying a model 3 with rear wheel drive and adding the $5 000 autopilot for a total of $41 000 or $500 a month to reap the benefits listed above ? Is the model 3 autopilot the same as the S autopilot v ? I ve watched plenty many videos about the car and my mom got an X that was totaled within a matter of weeks (not her fault) and that was the end of Tesla. Any input would be a awesome. Apologies if this comes across as uneducated but I am. I don t have a Tesla and have never driven a 3. | sinkable | 2019-02-13 22:37:27 | 19 | egff5kk | I now commute about 28 miles each way. EAP has changed my life. I went from dreading any drive over 5 minutes as bouts of extreme fatigue would hit me hard to looking forward to my commutes. My commutes feel incredibly surreal as I sit there listening to music and watching other drivers do their things. Love this car and wouldn t consider a Tesla without AP. Full disclosure: I live in the Midwest and any car with a decent alignment almost has autopilot ). | bike_buddy | 2019-02-14 01:55:06 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
aorw5q | [Discussion] Is something big underway ? | This is purely speculation. But several weirdnesses have popped up in the last weeks. 1: Greentheonly etc. saw the schematics of HW3 and proposed that all new productions would be with the new chip. 2: TM3 is launched in Europe but with EAP disabled. It weirds everyone out because why would that spec in particulat be delayed if the hardware and software is the same as what has been already approved on TMS& X (EDIT: I know its approved now but why did it need its own approval if the hardware is the same as the already approved HW2 5?) 3: The latest firmware version is 2018.50.x. So approx 8 weeks old . I went through the previous firmware version lists and from the time they switched nomenclature I havent found a single instance with a release gap of more than 4 weeks. So something is definitely up. But unsure what it is. If the type approval of EAP was due to HW3 and all new cars have HW3 we should have heard of customers who bought TMS and TMX in europe who could not enable EAP on the first days of driving it but so far thats my best explanation. Teslas is shipping HW3 to European cars and are waiting with the announcement till they sell out replace US inventory. What do you think ? | Alpha-MF | 2019-02-09 12:21:34 | 30 | eg33fws | Electrek reported yesterday that autopilot is now approved in Europe. [https: electrek.co 2019 02 08 tesla-autopilot-approved-model-3-europe-dont-panic ](https: electrek.co 2019 02 08 tesla-autopilot-approved-model-3-europe-dont-panic ) | 1sleepyshadow | 2019-02-09 12:50:58 | 13 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
7nogdi | [Discussion] Is the 3 really for me? | Hi r teslamotors First full disclosure I am a Tesla fan. I reserved a Model 3 in June 2016. I did test drive a Model S and really liked it. I truly believe in Tesla s mission and I consider myself a green person. Also like u FredTesla I am from Québec Canada where it s currently really cold (-25°C -13 °F). We also get a lot of snow (usual winter snow banks are > 2 meters 6.5 high). I currently drive a Toyota Corolla which I hate. It has been plagued with electronic problems (knock sensor). My local dealer is a crook. I always thought this would be my last ICE car before I would move on to an EV. I really liked Tesla as an EV brand since they had the range and cold climate capabilities. After the last reveal I was a bit disappointed but I figured I would take my time analysing the car for winter conditions before doing anything. After the past few cold days I really feel like the Model 3 is a southern car: * It has no buttons! With these kinds of outside temperatures you really want mitts or at least large heavy gloves. These do not do well with touch screens. My current Corolla has a resistive touch screen for the info-tainement controls and it s impossible to use in winter with gloves on. I usually just switch channels and change the volume using the steering wheel buttons. Every other control in the Corolla is buttons. I know touch screens in car is not Tesla exclusivity but I really think they re not really usable in our cold climate. * I m not entirely sure on this one but from my research the Model 3 has no heated steering wheel. This could ve been a solution to using a touch screen: you simply remove your gloves when you re driving the car. * Not centered display speedometer. I m not sure for this one either. In the past my girlfriend had a Toyota Yaris. These had the console in the center and we both hated driving it in winter since every time you looked at the console we very slightly turned the steering wheel. During the summer this didn t result in any problems but in the winter here in Québec some road are not always well cleared of snow. Moving the car inches to the right can create an accident. There are very often only two 6 strips of asphalt that you can use while everything else is covered in snow. What I really find annoying is that Tesla s approach with no controls are needed since you ll be using Autopilot anyways doesn t really work that well for us here. I don t understand how removing hardware controls buttons before the car is fully ready to be autonomous and therefore penalize some users is a good idea. I d really like to see how Autopilot would do on a road like this one: https: imgur.com WCk4CNz Finally I have some other grippes that are probably more personal: * Cargo is okay-ish but access is small. I really hoped for a liftback like the S. Maybe Model Y would be better suited for me. * Since there is no cargo I hoped there would be some kind of optional hitch. From my research Tesla s manual doesn t recommend one yet. So it s really hard to haul larger items. I ve been doing some home renovations lately and had to carry 4 by 8 sheets daily. * Lastly I own a smartphone but my work does not allow me to bring it with me and I have to leave it in my car. It seems the access card it not meant for daily usage but only for activation which leaves me without any option. Tesla why no key fob :( Model S would have been better for me but incentives for it are limited to 3000$ while they re going to 8000$ for the 3. Keep in mind that the Canadian dollar is exchanging at 1.25 for a US dollar. The S would be out of my budget. So what do you guys think? Any solutions to these problems? Thanks! PS: Sorry for my English as it s not my first language. Edit: lists | f41c0n | 2018-01-02 18:55:43 | 34 | ds3e7lq | They make gloves with pads on the fingertips that work on touch screens | Yarblek | 2018-01-02 20:11:13 | 20 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7nogdi | [Discussion] Is the 3 really for me? | Hi r teslamotors First full disclosure I am a Tesla fan. I reserved a Model 3 in June 2016. I did test drive a Model S and really liked it. I truly believe in Tesla s mission and I consider myself a green person. Also like u FredTesla I am from Québec Canada where it s currently really cold (-25°C -13 °F). We also get a lot of snow (usual winter snow banks are > 2 meters 6.5 high). I currently drive a Toyota Corolla which I hate. It has been plagued with electronic problems (knock sensor). My local dealer is a crook. I always thought this would be my last ICE car before I would move on to an EV. I really liked Tesla as an EV brand since they had the range and cold climate capabilities. After the last reveal I was a bit disappointed but I figured I would take my time analysing the car for winter conditions before doing anything. After the past few cold days I really feel like the Model 3 is a southern car: * It has no buttons! With these kinds of outside temperatures you really want mitts or at least large heavy gloves. These do not do well with touch screens. My current Corolla has a resistive touch screen for the info-tainement controls and it s impossible to use in winter with gloves on. I usually just switch channels and change the volume using the steering wheel buttons. Every other control in the Corolla is buttons. I know touch screens in car is not Tesla exclusivity but I really think they re not really usable in our cold climate. * I m not entirely sure on this one but from my research the Model 3 has no heated steering wheel. This could ve been a solution to using a touch screen: you simply remove your gloves when you re driving the car. * Not centered display speedometer. I m not sure for this one either. In the past my girlfriend had a Toyota Yaris. These had the console in the center and we both hated driving it in winter since every time you looked at the console we very slightly turned the steering wheel. During the summer this didn t result in any problems but in the winter here in Québec some road are not always well cleared of snow. Moving the car inches to the right can create an accident. There are very often only two 6 strips of asphalt that you can use while everything else is covered in snow. What I really find annoying is that Tesla s approach with no controls are needed since you ll be using Autopilot anyways doesn t really work that well for us here. I don t understand how removing hardware controls buttons before the car is fully ready to be autonomous and therefore penalize some users is a good idea. I d really like to see how Autopilot would do on a road like this one: https: imgur.com WCk4CNz Finally I have some other grippes that are probably more personal: * Cargo is okay-ish but access is small. I really hoped for a liftback like the S. Maybe Model Y would be better suited for me. * Since there is no cargo I hoped there would be some kind of optional hitch. From my research Tesla s manual doesn t recommend one yet. So it s really hard to haul larger items. I ve been doing some home renovations lately and had to carry 4 by 8 sheets daily. * Lastly I own a smartphone but my work does not allow me to bring it with me and I have to leave it in my car. It seems the access card it not meant for daily usage but only for activation which leaves me without any option. Tesla why no key fob :( Model S would have been better for me but incentives for it are limited to 3000$ while they re going to 8000$ for the 3. Keep in mind that the Canadian dollar is exchanging at 1.25 for a US dollar. The S would be out of my budget. So what do you guys think? Any solutions to these problems? Thanks! PS: Sorry for my English as it s not my first language. Edit: lists | f41c0n | 2018-01-02 18:55:43 | 34 | ds3auvc | > I d really like to see how Autopilot would do on a road like this one It would probably attempt to follow the path of the vehicle directly in front of you. If you re leading the pack my guess is it would force you to take control. > Any solutions to these problems? Preheat the cabin before driving and or use [capacitive touch gloves](https: www.amazon.com Amzer-Capacitive-Touch-Screen-Gloves dp B0069IUZPM). But mostly the combination of minor issues makes it seem that the car likely just isn t for you. | LouBrown | 2018-01-02 19:13:59 | 8 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7nogdi | [Discussion] Is the 3 really for me? | Hi r teslamotors First full disclosure I am a Tesla fan. I reserved a Model 3 in June 2016. I did test drive a Model S and really liked it. I truly believe in Tesla s mission and I consider myself a green person. Also like u FredTesla I am from Québec Canada where it s currently really cold (-25°C -13 °F). We also get a lot of snow (usual winter snow banks are > 2 meters 6.5 high). I currently drive a Toyota Corolla which I hate. It has been plagued with electronic problems (knock sensor). My local dealer is a crook. I always thought this would be my last ICE car before I would move on to an EV. I really liked Tesla as an EV brand since they had the range and cold climate capabilities. After the last reveal I was a bit disappointed but I figured I would take my time analysing the car for winter conditions before doing anything. After the past few cold days I really feel like the Model 3 is a southern car: * It has no buttons! With these kinds of outside temperatures you really want mitts or at least large heavy gloves. These do not do well with touch screens. My current Corolla has a resistive touch screen for the info-tainement controls and it s impossible to use in winter with gloves on. I usually just switch channels and change the volume using the steering wheel buttons. Every other control in the Corolla is buttons. I know touch screens in car is not Tesla exclusivity but I really think they re not really usable in our cold climate. * I m not entirely sure on this one but from my research the Model 3 has no heated steering wheel. This could ve been a solution to using a touch screen: you simply remove your gloves when you re driving the car. * Not centered display speedometer. I m not sure for this one either. In the past my girlfriend had a Toyota Yaris. These had the console in the center and we both hated driving it in winter since every time you looked at the console we very slightly turned the steering wheel. During the summer this didn t result in any problems but in the winter here in Québec some road are not always well cleared of snow. Moving the car inches to the right can create an accident. There are very often only two 6 strips of asphalt that you can use while everything else is covered in snow. What I really find annoying is that Tesla s approach with no controls are needed since you ll be using Autopilot anyways doesn t really work that well for us here. I don t understand how removing hardware controls buttons before the car is fully ready to be autonomous and therefore penalize some users is a good idea. I d really like to see how Autopilot would do on a road like this one: https: imgur.com WCk4CNz Finally I have some other grippes that are probably more personal: * Cargo is okay-ish but access is small. I really hoped for a liftback like the S. Maybe Model Y would be better suited for me. * Since there is no cargo I hoped there would be some kind of optional hitch. From my research Tesla s manual doesn t recommend one yet. So it s really hard to haul larger items. I ve been doing some home renovations lately and had to carry 4 by 8 sheets daily. * Lastly I own a smartphone but my work does not allow me to bring it with me and I have to leave it in my car. It seems the access card it not meant for daily usage but only for activation which leaves me without any option. Tesla why no key fob :( Model S would have been better for me but incentives for it are limited to 3000$ while they re going to 8000$ for the 3. Keep in mind that the Canadian dollar is exchanging at 1.25 for a US dollar. The S would be out of my budget. So what do you guys think? Any solutions to these problems? Thanks! PS: Sorry for my English as it s not my first language. Edit: lists | f41c0n | 2018-01-02 18:55:43 | 34 | ds3g01w | No one of these issues is a deal breaker but all together? I d wait if I were you. The Model 3 can t be all things to all people. You d be happier in a Model X 100D but that s a $120 000 car. | majesticjg | 2018-01-02 20:42:05 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7nogdi | [Discussion] Is the 3 really for me? | Hi r teslamotors First full disclosure I am a Tesla fan. I reserved a Model 3 in June 2016. I did test drive a Model S and really liked it. I truly believe in Tesla s mission and I consider myself a green person. Also like u FredTesla I am from Québec Canada where it s currently really cold (-25°C -13 °F). We also get a lot of snow (usual winter snow banks are > 2 meters 6.5 high). I currently drive a Toyota Corolla which I hate. It has been plagued with electronic problems (knock sensor). My local dealer is a crook. I always thought this would be my last ICE car before I would move on to an EV. I really liked Tesla as an EV brand since they had the range and cold climate capabilities. After the last reveal I was a bit disappointed but I figured I would take my time analysing the car for winter conditions before doing anything. After the past few cold days I really feel like the Model 3 is a southern car: * It has no buttons! With these kinds of outside temperatures you really want mitts or at least large heavy gloves. These do not do well with touch screens. My current Corolla has a resistive touch screen for the info-tainement controls and it s impossible to use in winter with gloves on. I usually just switch channels and change the volume using the steering wheel buttons. Every other control in the Corolla is buttons. I know touch screens in car is not Tesla exclusivity but I really think they re not really usable in our cold climate. * I m not entirely sure on this one but from my research the Model 3 has no heated steering wheel. This could ve been a solution to using a touch screen: you simply remove your gloves when you re driving the car. * Not centered display speedometer. I m not sure for this one either. In the past my girlfriend had a Toyota Yaris. These had the console in the center and we both hated driving it in winter since every time you looked at the console we very slightly turned the steering wheel. During the summer this didn t result in any problems but in the winter here in Québec some road are not always well cleared of snow. Moving the car inches to the right can create an accident. There are very often only two 6 strips of asphalt that you can use while everything else is covered in snow. What I really find annoying is that Tesla s approach with no controls are needed since you ll be using Autopilot anyways doesn t really work that well for us here. I don t understand how removing hardware controls buttons before the car is fully ready to be autonomous and therefore penalize some users is a good idea. I d really like to see how Autopilot would do on a road like this one: https: imgur.com WCk4CNz Finally I have some other grippes that are probably more personal: * Cargo is okay-ish but access is small. I really hoped for a liftback like the S. Maybe Model Y would be better suited for me. * Since there is no cargo I hoped there would be some kind of optional hitch. From my research Tesla s manual doesn t recommend one yet. So it s really hard to haul larger items. I ve been doing some home renovations lately and had to carry 4 by 8 sheets daily. * Lastly I own a smartphone but my work does not allow me to bring it with me and I have to leave it in my car. It seems the access card it not meant for daily usage but only for activation which leaves me without any option. Tesla why no key fob :( Model S would have been better for me but incentives for it are limited to 3000$ while they re going to 8000$ for the 3. Keep in mind that the Canadian dollar is exchanging at 1.25 for a US dollar. The S would be out of my budget. So what do you guys think? Any solutions to these problems? Thanks! PS: Sorry for my English as it s not my first language. Edit: lists | f41c0n | 2018-01-02 18:55:43 | 34 | ds3ha8d | You know I never actually thought about the fact that people would have to remove gloves or have special(ish) ones to drive a 3. Which is strange as a person who spent his first 33 of 36 years in Wisconsin. That actually is kind of shitty. I m not sure where you got the impression the card wasn t for daily use though. You d lose out on preheating the car and such but a FOB likely wouldn t help. Either way it s not like the card stops working or something. I suspect this is the harbinger of things to come though. I d be a little shocked if phones-as-keys isn t the norm soon. It s just too obvious to not happen. (Or conversely that fobs or aftermarket replacements become so fancy they re basically everything-your-works-is-worried-about-phones-for anyway.) I think work places might just have to change their rules eventually. (Even if that s just giving you a place to leave your phones.) I remember back in the day when cameras weren t allowed places like concerts and those rules just changed instead of making people keep leaving their phones in their cars. | vita10gy | 2018-01-02 21:03:47 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7nogdi | [Discussion] Is the 3 really for me? | Hi r teslamotors First full disclosure I am a Tesla fan. I reserved a Model 3 in June 2016. I did test drive a Model S and really liked it. I truly believe in Tesla s mission and I consider myself a green person. Also like u FredTesla I am from Québec Canada where it s currently really cold (-25°C -13 °F). We also get a lot of snow (usual winter snow banks are > 2 meters 6.5 high). I currently drive a Toyota Corolla which I hate. It has been plagued with electronic problems (knock sensor). My local dealer is a crook. I always thought this would be my last ICE car before I would move on to an EV. I really liked Tesla as an EV brand since they had the range and cold climate capabilities. After the last reveal I was a bit disappointed but I figured I would take my time analysing the car for winter conditions before doing anything. After the past few cold days I really feel like the Model 3 is a southern car: * It has no buttons! With these kinds of outside temperatures you really want mitts or at least large heavy gloves. These do not do well with touch screens. My current Corolla has a resistive touch screen for the info-tainement controls and it s impossible to use in winter with gloves on. I usually just switch channels and change the volume using the steering wheel buttons. Every other control in the Corolla is buttons. I know touch screens in car is not Tesla exclusivity but I really think they re not really usable in our cold climate. * I m not entirely sure on this one but from my research the Model 3 has no heated steering wheel. This could ve been a solution to using a touch screen: you simply remove your gloves when you re driving the car. * Not centered display speedometer. I m not sure for this one either. In the past my girlfriend had a Toyota Yaris. These had the console in the center and we both hated driving it in winter since every time you looked at the console we very slightly turned the steering wheel. During the summer this didn t result in any problems but in the winter here in Québec some road are not always well cleared of snow. Moving the car inches to the right can create an accident. There are very often only two 6 strips of asphalt that you can use while everything else is covered in snow. What I really find annoying is that Tesla s approach with no controls are needed since you ll be using Autopilot anyways doesn t really work that well for us here. I don t understand how removing hardware controls buttons before the car is fully ready to be autonomous and therefore penalize some users is a good idea. I d really like to see how Autopilot would do on a road like this one: https: imgur.com WCk4CNz Finally I have some other grippes that are probably more personal: * Cargo is okay-ish but access is small. I really hoped for a liftback like the S. Maybe Model Y would be better suited for me. * Since there is no cargo I hoped there would be some kind of optional hitch. From my research Tesla s manual doesn t recommend one yet. So it s really hard to haul larger items. I ve been doing some home renovations lately and had to carry 4 by 8 sheets daily. * Lastly I own a smartphone but my work does not allow me to bring it with me and I have to leave it in my car. It seems the access card it not meant for daily usage but only for activation which leaves me without any option. Tesla why no key fob :( Model S would have been better for me but incentives for it are limited to 3000$ while they re going to 8000$ for the 3. Keep in mind that the Canadian dollar is exchanging at 1.25 for a US dollar. The S would be out of my budget. So what do you guys think? Any solutions to these problems? Thanks! PS: Sorry for my English as it s not my first language. Edit: lists | f41c0n | 2018-01-02 18:55:43 | 34 | ds3c50d | As an S owner traveling in Wisconsin this week with temps -10 to -20 I agree that cold winter weather can make EV ownership difficult. Especially in rural areas w o L2 charging options. I also want a heated steering wheel and hitch(for bikes) so I will probably delay ordering until Tesla offers the AWD version to see if they add a winter package. A used S may be a better option. | paulwesterberg | 2018-01-02 19:35:47 | 5 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7wg3k2 | [Discussion] Is the model 3 the cheapest way to get decent semi autonomous driving? | I constantly see people attack Tesla for not actually being the fruntrunner for self driving saying don t buy a Tesla if the main reason is EAP but when I try to look for anybody else doing it for as cheap as the model 3 I ve been failing to find a good alternative. All the other systems seen to ping pong around and need more intervention than EAP. Does anyone know of a company that has lane keep semi autonomous driving that is as good as or better than Tesla s for cheaper or even the same price? | soapinmouth | 2018-02-09 19:54:26 | 53 | du09r6p | Two options for cheap semi-autonomous driving: 1. Head to your local Honda dealer and ask to test drive a car with the Honda Sensing package. You can get it on a Civic for under $20K but it s available on almost their whole lineup. Try it yourself. The autosteer only enables when you hit about 45 MPH because it s meant for highways. It s 100% smooth no ping ponging. If you want cheap AP for a highway commute that might do the job for you. 2. Check cars.com to see which of your local Nissan dealers has 2018 Leafs on the lot. About half in my area have them stocked so far since the car just went into production in December. I don t think I ve seen one without the tech package yet which means they all have ProPilot. If you want to stay electric that may be your best bet. You can get a Leaf SV with ProPilot for a few thousand under the elusive base Model 3 price. It s also a good way to get AP while waiting for a Model 3 SR. You can buy a Leaf SV for $20-25K after incentives. Trade it in towards a base Model 3 when that is finally available and you ll have spent less on the two cars than the $54K it costs to buy a Model 3 with AP today. | odd84 | 2018-02-09 22:07:33 | 16 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7wg3k2 | [Discussion] Is the model 3 the cheapest way to get decent semi autonomous driving? | I constantly see people attack Tesla for not actually being the fruntrunner for self driving saying don t buy a Tesla if the main reason is EAP but when I try to look for anybody else doing it for as cheap as the model 3 I ve been failing to find a good alternative. All the other systems seen to ping pong around and need more intervention than EAP. Does anyone know of a company that has lane keep semi autonomous driving that is as good as or better than Tesla s for cheaper or even the same price? | soapinmouth | 2018-02-09 19:54:26 | 53 | du03ogi | Even if someone has something better now does anyone else offer OTA updates? Tesla is really the only option if you want autopilot with a certain degree of “future-proofing” baked in. | dubsteponmycat | 2018-02-09 20:26:04 | 13 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7wg3k2 | [Discussion] Is the model 3 the cheapest way to get decent semi autonomous driving? | I constantly see people attack Tesla for not actually being the fruntrunner for self driving saying don t buy a Tesla if the main reason is EAP but when I try to look for anybody else doing it for as cheap as the model 3 I ve been failing to find a good alternative. All the other systems seen to ping pong around and need more intervention than EAP. Does anyone know of a company that has lane keep semi autonomous driving that is as good as or better than Tesla s for cheaper or even the same price? | soapinmouth | 2018-02-09 19:54:26 | 53 | du06cnw | The new 2018 version of the Nissan Leaf has Propilot which is very similar to Autopilot... although having tried both I don t Propilot is quite as good... it is prone to exactly what you mention which is more interventions and a fair bit more ping-ponging. But Propilot seemed decent to me and it s certainly cheaper than a Model 3. | Eloquent_Cantaloupe | 2018-02-09 21:09:48 | 10 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7wg3k2 | [Discussion] Is the model 3 the cheapest way to get decent semi autonomous driving? | I constantly see people attack Tesla for not actually being the fruntrunner for self driving saying don t buy a Tesla if the main reason is EAP but when I try to look for anybody else doing it for as cheap as the model 3 I ve been failing to find a good alternative. All the other systems seen to ping pong around and need more intervention than EAP. Does anyone know of a company that has lane keep semi autonomous driving that is as good as or better than Tesla s for cheaper or even the same price? | soapinmouth | 2018-02-09 19:54:26 | 53 | du0294v | You really need to define what you want it to do in order to answer your question. Semi autonomous has a huge range of meaning to people. Traffic Aware Cruise Control which slows down for traffic is autonomous. | beastpilot | 2018-02-09 20:02:52 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
7wg3k2 | [Discussion] Is the model 3 the cheapest way to get decent semi autonomous driving? | I constantly see people attack Tesla for not actually being the fruntrunner for self driving saying don t buy a Tesla if the main reason is EAP but when I try to look for anybody else doing it for as cheap as the model 3 I ve been failing to find a good alternative. All the other systems seen to ping pong around and need more intervention than EAP. Does anyone know of a company that has lane keep semi autonomous driving that is as good as or better than Tesla s for cheaper or even the same price? | soapinmouth | 2018-02-09 19:54:26 | 53 | du04gyg | I will say for just TACC my 2014 Subaru Outback with Eyesight does an impressive job. Just stereo cameras but it does really well. But of course that s just TACC and nothing else. | dragonsspawn | 2018-02-09 20:38:54 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
91zc6d | [Discussion] Is there a subreddit for selling Tesla OEM Parts? | I m trying to sell my OEM Tesla Model 3 18 Aero wheels but I can t find a place to post it. Sorry if this breaks any rules. r TeslaLounge r TeslaModel3 ? | ArcadeRenegade | 2018-07-26 05:00:37 | 26 | e31wz9f | Following cause I already curbed checked two rims 😬 | Jamesthepikapp | 2018-07-26 05:08:36 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8fnnrj | [Discussion] Is there a trick to activating auto park? | Is there a trick to getting the car to detect the open space? Seems like a hit or miss with me. I ve tried slowing down using turn signal. Even wide spaces aren t detected sometimes. | carlowho | 2018-04-28 23:38:56 | 16 | dy535w8 | The secret (and they do say it in the manual) is that you have to drive slow and pull way past. Which can be awkward in competitive parking situations. And then once you start the auto-park it can be slower than other people have patience for. And it does demand 20 of room to parallel park. And one final tip: verify that the diagram matches the parking situation before you hit Start. | jpbeans | 2018-04-29 01:04:09 | 13 | Smart Summon Limitations |
8fnnrj | [Discussion] Is there a trick to activating auto park? | Is there a trick to getting the car to detect the open space? Seems like a hit or miss with me. I ve tried slowing down using turn signal. Even wide spaces aren t detected sometimes. | carlowho | 2018-04-28 23:38:56 | 16 | dy503yi | I usually come to a stop a little further ahead than I would if I were to manually do it & that triggers the option (most of the time) Then proceed to do it manually. | Gunnernaut7 | 2018-04-29 00:02:38 | 10 | Smart Summon Limitations |
8fnnrj | [Discussion] Is there a trick to activating auto park? | Is there a trick to getting the car to detect the open space? Seems like a hit or miss with me. I ve tried slowing down using turn signal. Even wide spaces aren t detected sometimes. | carlowho | 2018-04-28 23:38:56 | 16 | dy50qpc | Two things I do to make it work nearly 100% of the time. Get as close as you comfortably can to the cars when driving by them and for parallel parking drive at least a car length past the empty space. | brotot | 2018-04-29 00:15:27 | 6 | Smart Summon Limitations |
8fnnrj | [Discussion] Is there a trick to activating auto park? | Is there a trick to getting the car to detect the open space? Seems like a hit or miss with me. I ve tried slowing down using turn signal. Even wide spaces aren t detected sometimes. | carlowho | 2018-04-28 23:38:56 | 16 | dy54yw6 | I ve only ever consistently seen it in the Tesla parking lot and at 80% of red lights. Tesla parking lots have double lines so I m assuming that s the trick. I ve only ever actually used it on 2 occasions and both were on single lines BUT on the final spot next to the curb. No parallel spots near me to check. | Blind_at_Sea | 2018-04-29 01:40:19 | 6 | Smart Summon Limitations |
8uomo6 | [Discussion] It appears to be just Eastern US that is getting VINs at the moment after yesterdays configuration. | Has anyone in California or anywhere on the west coast that ordered in yesterdays wave gotten a call VIN? Been reading all the new posts and they seem to all be from further East states. | soapinmouth | 2018-06-28 23:57:51 | 20 | e1gy41t | Most likely they are in-transit on a train or in a holding area out east. Possibly also they are planning on producing them first. | MidnightRider3000 | 2018-06-29 00:00:48 | 9 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehg0c2t | 9 weeks try 7 months | jjwardSD | 2019-02-28 01:59:14 | 58 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehgd37e | This is a horror story. Tesla should really at least look at these edge cases and deal with them promptly. This can lose them a lot of potential customers. | princearthas11 | 2019-02-28 04:53:57 | 51 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehfzzp8 | That fine line between holy shit I didn t die and holy shit my car didn t get totalled. We are pioneers I hope by the time something DOES happen the bricks of the companies supply chain have been built. | Klownicle | 2019-02-28 01:54:41 | 50 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehgfii4 | I waited 4 months to get my car back because there was a delay in parts. Keep in mind Tesla is creating these parts every day to put into their new cars. Either they are prioritizing new cars because it makes them $$ (rather than caring for the anguish of current owners) or its supply chain is grossly and I mean GROSSLY mismanaged. Either way Tesla owes you a loaner. I got mine after 3 weeks of waiting it was a sweet Model S that I put 5 000 miles on in 3 months lol | HIP2013 | 2019-02-28 05:34:01 | 28 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehg8885 | It s like they need an “in case of accident” kit in the trunk that has a flare and a small jar of gas. | RedditFauxGold | 2019-02-28 03:43:16 | 24 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehgifi6 | As much as I love the company I will keep up voting these posts until they stop showing up. | JEdwardFuck | 2019-02-28 06:29:11 | 22 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehg4q5y | I know someone going on 8 weeks for an S. I m sorry. I hope it s resolved soon . Disgrace indeed. | NooStringsAttached | 2019-02-28 02:57:17 | 15 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehgl0tf | Been there done that 7 consecutive months. Guess where my car is again though? Yep. This time they deleted a line item I mentioned and didn t put it on the invoice. Good thing I didn t sign the invoice. Luckily I got a p85d loaner this time. Looks like I ll be keeping it a little while longer. | wwwz | 2019-02-28 07:25:21 | 13 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehgesvi | Seems crazy because if you buy a new one delivery is in days so there can t be any supply chain issues. Tesla is refusing to ship the part. Wonder if it happens to enough people to warrant a class action suit? Cautionary tale for all of us planning to purchase in the near future to get the remaining $3500 tax credit. | EaglesPDX | 2019-02-28 05:21:53 | 10 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehfzzrp | Which model which parts? | jrherita | 2019-02-28 01:54:43 | 9 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehgvi4k | This is an area where the hype machine has run up against dire real world logistical problems. I remember tweets about eventually having repair times down to same day repair... seems silly to hype anything when real world stories say the opposite. I have to admit as a long time reservation holder I am sometimes glad I bought a house instead because as amazing as these machines are... why put them out there if you knew there was no good support network and parts supply for them. | wooder32 | 2019-02-28 11:56:37 | 8 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehg5ojb | Did they give you a loaner? | tesla123456 | 2019-02-28 03:09:52 | 6 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehgov83 | Just to help you feel better my Jeep is waiting “at least another 2 months” for a replacement ecu. Some days it works fine others it throws codes and goes into limp mode. I had 3 repairs within a month no loaner and my car came back feeling of Tabacco each time. Tesla is heaven compared to Jeep. | igraywolf | 2019-02-28 08:59:18 | 6 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehfynsv | Whoa dude thanks for the share. | WeCanDoIt17 | 2019-02-28 01:36:57 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
avl87b | [Discussion] It s really hard to care about any Tesla news when your car is sitting in a shop with no ETA for parts | Title. My weekly bitching-about-my-car-being-in-the-shop-and-Tesla-not-bothering-to-ship-parts post. Car s been in the shop for 9 weeks. Still no ETA for the parts they need. Tesla has been helpful in that their service rep has told me there s no ETA for the parts the shop needs to repair your car and that as of now it s literally an undefineable wait time literally no way to know when they ll decide to ship the parts to the shop. The most help I ve had was from a redditor who works for them who helped find one of the 4 parts they need. The other few parts who knows. At this point my starry-eyed fervor for the company is gone. Tesla is a joke. All the tweets Elon sends are a disgrace. This comapany is seriously total shit as a car company. Hype machine? Fantastic. Real-world practicality? None. I absolutely cannot recommend a Tesla to anyone anymore and would honestly consider actively dissuading purchase. If you get into an accident and are unlucky enought to have it deemed repairable you re fucked. You ll be literally flushing your monthly payments down the toilet. | DiachronicShear | 2019-02-28 01:32:16 | 343 | ehhozs0 | It once took BMW 9 MONTHS to fix my 2011 ActiveE. After I begged the claims adjuster to total it out because it was that bad. Due to BMW s claim the car was worth $100k they decided to repair it. Grand total ended up being $87k for the repair. My lease had ended by then BMW got it back and crushed the car 2 days later in the compactor. & #x200B [https: imgur.com a zPtKetG](https: imgur.com a zPtKetG) | iwoketoanightmare | 2019-02-28 18:11:46 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
afwz2u | [Discussion] It s time to get real about Nav on Autopilot. | I love EAP. It s a joy a pleasure and more or less universally reduces the stress of any drive I use it on. We have 2 Teslas - a HW2 Model S and a HW2.5 P3D. EAP is pretty much equivalent on both cars at this point. Now that everyone has had a couple months to get used to NoA and Tesla has had a couple of months to tweak it please share your current perspective on how “ready” NoA is to deliver consistently on the current set of functionality (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation with lane change confirmation.) I ll start: NoA induces a level of stress similar to teaching a teenager with a learner s permit to drive. NoA frequently makes sudden moves to brake far before merging or when merely considering a lane change. NoA inexplicably slows down to exit ramp speed when passing an exit even when not taking an exit. NoA frequently aborts perfectly safe lane changes and swerves to the original lane. NoA gives terrible advice about which lane to be in hugging the right lane far too early. NoA gives terrible advice about when to be in the HoV lane staying in for far too long in some cases and inexplicably wanting to temporarily leave it at others. NoA inexplicably turns off for certain short interstate segments and then picks up again a couple hundred feet later (and no not talking tunnels here.) Do any of these sound familiar to folks who use NoA on a regular basis? I know all the tricks: hover with foot over the accelerator accelerate to combat the phantom slow downs toggle off HoV mode when you want to exit reporting issues through voice command etc etc... NoA often does the right thing and this makes me giddy excited for the future and coming back for more but at this point I don t need the extra anxiety. I m pretty close to turning off NoA until it sees major update and I m an early adopter beta tester for most new tech. I desperately want for it to be good and for the next step of unconfirmed lane changes to be right around the corner but if this is the best the HW 2.0 2.5 hardware or the 48 50 software is capable of then I don t have a high degree of confidence we ll see that anytime soon. In fact given all of the sudden erratic moves made by NoA I m surprised we haven t seen evidence of it causing an accident - especially with the panic braking. (Not that it s anyone s biz but I m long TSLA by more than the value of our cars.) Please share your honest thoughts. | ekobres | 2019-01-14 15:40:40 | 131 | ee1zirs | I tried it a few times and after having it try to kill me with exits and suggesting wrong lane changes etc. I turned it off and will just use regular AP for the time being. | cold12 | 2019-01-14 16:27:25 | 38 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
afwz2u | [Discussion] It s time to get real about Nav on Autopilot. | I love EAP. It s a joy a pleasure and more or less universally reduces the stress of any drive I use it on. We have 2 Teslas - a HW2 Model S and a HW2.5 P3D. EAP is pretty much equivalent on both cars at this point. Now that everyone has had a couple months to get used to NoA and Tesla has had a couple of months to tweak it please share your current perspective on how “ready” NoA is to deliver consistently on the current set of functionality (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation with lane change confirmation.) I ll start: NoA induces a level of stress similar to teaching a teenager with a learner s permit to drive. NoA frequently makes sudden moves to brake far before merging or when merely considering a lane change. NoA inexplicably slows down to exit ramp speed when passing an exit even when not taking an exit. NoA frequently aborts perfectly safe lane changes and swerves to the original lane. NoA gives terrible advice about which lane to be in hugging the right lane far too early. NoA gives terrible advice about when to be in the HoV lane staying in for far too long in some cases and inexplicably wanting to temporarily leave it at others. NoA inexplicably turns off for certain short interstate segments and then picks up again a couple hundred feet later (and no not talking tunnels here.) Do any of these sound familiar to folks who use NoA on a regular basis? I know all the tricks: hover with foot over the accelerator accelerate to combat the phantom slow downs toggle off HoV mode when you want to exit reporting issues through voice command etc etc... NoA often does the right thing and this makes me giddy excited for the future and coming back for more but at this point I don t need the extra anxiety. I m pretty close to turning off NoA until it sees major update and I m an early adopter beta tester for most new tech. I desperately want for it to be good and for the next step of unconfirmed lane changes to be right around the corner but if this is the best the HW 2.0 2.5 hardware or the 48 50 software is capable of then I don t have a high degree of confidence we ll see that anytime soon. In fact given all of the sudden erratic moves made by NoA I m surprised we haven t seen evidence of it causing an accident - especially with the panic braking. (Not that it s anyone s biz but I m long TSLA by more than the value of our cars.) Please share your honest thoughts. | ekobres | 2019-01-14 15:40:40 | 131 | ee1wepr | My biggest disappointment was the continuous overpromise and underdelivering of this software. It was promised so many times. I m really curious if Waymo can get their commercial service up and running this year. That would show the degree of how far behind Tesla really is after being (mistakenly?) taken as the trailblazer. Tesla is very good at marketing. The Germans can t compete with this type of marketing but can only deliver a better product. The next few years will be very interesting. | argonau7 | 2019-01-14 15:47:28 | 16 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
afwz2u | [Discussion] It s time to get real about Nav on Autopilot. | I love EAP. It s a joy a pleasure and more or less universally reduces the stress of any drive I use it on. We have 2 Teslas - a HW2 Model S and a HW2.5 P3D. EAP is pretty much equivalent on both cars at this point. Now that everyone has had a couple months to get used to NoA and Tesla has had a couple of months to tweak it please share your current perspective on how “ready” NoA is to deliver consistently on the current set of functionality (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation with lane change confirmation.) I ll start: NoA induces a level of stress similar to teaching a teenager with a learner s permit to drive. NoA frequently makes sudden moves to brake far before merging or when merely considering a lane change. NoA inexplicably slows down to exit ramp speed when passing an exit even when not taking an exit. NoA frequently aborts perfectly safe lane changes and swerves to the original lane. NoA gives terrible advice about which lane to be in hugging the right lane far too early. NoA gives terrible advice about when to be in the HoV lane staying in for far too long in some cases and inexplicably wanting to temporarily leave it at others. NoA inexplicably turns off for certain short interstate segments and then picks up again a couple hundred feet later (and no not talking tunnels here.) Do any of these sound familiar to folks who use NoA on a regular basis? I know all the tricks: hover with foot over the accelerator accelerate to combat the phantom slow downs toggle off HoV mode when you want to exit reporting issues through voice command etc etc... NoA often does the right thing and this makes me giddy excited for the future and coming back for more but at this point I don t need the extra anxiety. I m pretty close to turning off NoA until it sees major update and I m an early adopter beta tester for most new tech. I desperately want for it to be good and for the next step of unconfirmed lane changes to be right around the corner but if this is the best the HW 2.0 2.5 hardware or the 48 50 software is capable of then I don t have a high degree of confidence we ll see that anytime soon. In fact given all of the sudden erratic moves made by NoA I m surprised we haven t seen evidence of it causing an accident - especially with the panic braking. (Not that it s anyone s biz but I m long TSLA by more than the value of our cars.) Please share your honest thoughts. | ekobres | 2019-01-14 15:40:40 | 131 | ee2eu22 | My daily commute is up and down the 405 through Sepulveda pass and in those sitatuions NOA works great. It s extremely heavy traffic and everyone is moving slow so the car doesn t really have much opportunity to freak out and handles lane changes and suggestions appropriately. Conversely when I m driving on a wide open freeway on a road trip NOA is also a godsend. The real problems happen when a freeway is moderately crowded and I m trying to cruise around 60-80 range. & #x200B \- Phantom breaking events while keeping in lane. I m thinking it s reacting to false positives of cars next to me thinking the cars about to change lanes into me \- Trying to slowdown near off ramps that I m not going to go on \- Slowing down when it wants me to get into the HOV lane \- Rough lane changes that abort halfway through \-And of course pretty bad lane change suggestions: trying to get me to change to the right too early from the offramp or trying to get me to change back into the carpool lane like a mile out from the offramp. & #x200B I do get frustrated and want to turn NOA off. However I think to myself: if I don t keep driving and reporting bugs I m not going to help make it any better over time so I keep it on and report bugs thinking I m doing my little part to move the NOA ball forward. | spacemeat_cosplay | 2019-01-14 19:31:25 | 16 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
afwz2u | [Discussion] It s time to get real about Nav on Autopilot. | I love EAP. It s a joy a pleasure and more or less universally reduces the stress of any drive I use it on. We have 2 Teslas - a HW2 Model S and a HW2.5 P3D. EAP is pretty much equivalent on both cars at this point. Now that everyone has had a couple months to get used to NoA and Tesla has had a couple of months to tweak it please share your current perspective on how “ready” NoA is to deliver consistently on the current set of functionality (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation with lane change confirmation.) I ll start: NoA induces a level of stress similar to teaching a teenager with a learner s permit to drive. NoA frequently makes sudden moves to brake far before merging or when merely considering a lane change. NoA inexplicably slows down to exit ramp speed when passing an exit even when not taking an exit. NoA frequently aborts perfectly safe lane changes and swerves to the original lane. NoA gives terrible advice about which lane to be in hugging the right lane far too early. NoA gives terrible advice about when to be in the HoV lane staying in for far too long in some cases and inexplicably wanting to temporarily leave it at others. NoA inexplicably turns off for certain short interstate segments and then picks up again a couple hundred feet later (and no not talking tunnels here.) Do any of these sound familiar to folks who use NoA on a regular basis? I know all the tricks: hover with foot over the accelerator accelerate to combat the phantom slow downs toggle off HoV mode when you want to exit reporting issues through voice command etc etc... NoA often does the right thing and this makes me giddy excited for the future and coming back for more but at this point I don t need the extra anxiety. I m pretty close to turning off NoA until it sees major update and I m an early adopter beta tester for most new tech. I desperately want for it to be good and for the next step of unconfirmed lane changes to be right around the corner but if this is the best the HW 2.0 2.5 hardware or the 48 50 software is capable of then I don t have a high degree of confidence we ll see that anytime soon. In fact given all of the sudden erratic moves made by NoA I m surprised we haven t seen evidence of it causing an accident - especially with the panic braking. (Not that it s anyone s biz but I m long TSLA by more than the value of our cars.) Please share your honest thoughts. | ekobres | 2019-01-14 15:40:40 | 131 | ee1wvwe | A lot of what you said especially the teenager bit sounds about right. I think it s a bit less stressful than that though and can be used in long distance road trip situations especially if you ignore lane changes for the most part. Speaking of which NoA exits can be dangerous too I had at least one (near Kingsland SC I think) that I had to abort and handle the turn manually because NoA would have flown me off the road. | DBNinja | 2019-01-14 15:53:40 | 11 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
afwz2u | [Discussion] It s time to get real about Nav on Autopilot. | I love EAP. It s a joy a pleasure and more or less universally reduces the stress of any drive I use it on. We have 2 Teslas - a HW2 Model S and a HW2.5 P3D. EAP is pretty much equivalent on both cars at this point. Now that everyone has had a couple months to get used to NoA and Tesla has had a couple of months to tweak it please share your current perspective on how “ready” NoA is to deliver consistently on the current set of functionality (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation with lane change confirmation.) I ll start: NoA induces a level of stress similar to teaching a teenager with a learner s permit to drive. NoA frequently makes sudden moves to brake far before merging or when merely considering a lane change. NoA inexplicably slows down to exit ramp speed when passing an exit even when not taking an exit. NoA frequently aborts perfectly safe lane changes and swerves to the original lane. NoA gives terrible advice about which lane to be in hugging the right lane far too early. NoA gives terrible advice about when to be in the HoV lane staying in for far too long in some cases and inexplicably wanting to temporarily leave it at others. NoA inexplicably turns off for certain short interstate segments and then picks up again a couple hundred feet later (and no not talking tunnels here.) Do any of these sound familiar to folks who use NoA on a regular basis? I know all the tricks: hover with foot over the accelerator accelerate to combat the phantom slow downs toggle off HoV mode when you want to exit reporting issues through voice command etc etc... NoA often does the right thing and this makes me giddy excited for the future and coming back for more but at this point I don t need the extra anxiety. I m pretty close to turning off NoA until it sees major update and I m an early adopter beta tester for most new tech. I desperately want for it to be good and for the next step of unconfirmed lane changes to be right around the corner but if this is the best the HW 2.0 2.5 hardware or the 48 50 software is capable of then I don t have a high degree of confidence we ll see that anytime soon. In fact given all of the sudden erratic moves made by NoA I m surprised we haven t seen evidence of it causing an accident - especially with the panic braking. (Not that it s anyone s biz but I m long TSLA by more than the value of our cars.) Please share your honest thoughts. | ekobres | 2019-01-14 15:40:40 | 131 | ee1zv2l | I use NoA every day to and from work. I haven t experienced any of those issues. The biggest issues I ve seen are that it sometimes signals later than it should for offramps and interchanges or signals when it doesn t need to at the end of a cloverleaf exit. It also sometimes doesn t suggest lane changes when it should or suggests them a bit aggressively. | packet_whisperer | 2019-01-14 16:31:46 | 9 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
afwz2u | [Discussion] It s time to get real about Nav on Autopilot. | I love EAP. It s a joy a pleasure and more or less universally reduces the stress of any drive I use it on. We have 2 Teslas - a HW2 Model S and a HW2.5 P3D. EAP is pretty much equivalent on both cars at this point. Now that everyone has had a couple months to get used to NoA and Tesla has had a couple of months to tweak it please share your current perspective on how “ready” NoA is to deliver consistently on the current set of functionality (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation with lane change confirmation.) I ll start: NoA induces a level of stress similar to teaching a teenager with a learner s permit to drive. NoA frequently makes sudden moves to brake far before merging or when merely considering a lane change. NoA inexplicably slows down to exit ramp speed when passing an exit even when not taking an exit. NoA frequently aborts perfectly safe lane changes and swerves to the original lane. NoA gives terrible advice about which lane to be in hugging the right lane far too early. NoA gives terrible advice about when to be in the HoV lane staying in for far too long in some cases and inexplicably wanting to temporarily leave it at others. NoA inexplicably turns off for certain short interstate segments and then picks up again a couple hundred feet later (and no not talking tunnels here.) Do any of these sound familiar to folks who use NoA on a regular basis? I know all the tricks: hover with foot over the accelerator accelerate to combat the phantom slow downs toggle off HoV mode when you want to exit reporting issues through voice command etc etc... NoA often does the right thing and this makes me giddy excited for the future and coming back for more but at this point I don t need the extra anxiety. I m pretty close to turning off NoA until it sees major update and I m an early adopter beta tester for most new tech. I desperately want for it to be good and for the next step of unconfirmed lane changes to be right around the corner but if this is the best the HW 2.0 2.5 hardware or the 48 50 software is capable of then I don t have a high degree of confidence we ll see that anytime soon. In fact given all of the sudden erratic moves made by NoA I m surprised we haven t seen evidence of it causing an accident - especially with the panic braking. (Not that it s anyone s biz but I m long TSLA by more than the value of our cars.) Please share your honest thoughts. | ekobres | 2019-01-14 15:40:40 | 131 | ee1wzew | Honestly I tried it for a few days and turned it off. NoA tried to very dangerously take an exit once and I immediately turned it off afterward. I generally know quite well what lane I should be in and when I should try to overtake a car. NoA used to make badly timed suggestions a lot which required me looking more often at the screen than I need to. It s a cute thing I enjoyed showing to a couple of friends but it brings nothing to the table for me if I have to pay attention like I do with regular EAP so it s been disabled for a while now. Really EAP gets me 95% of what I want from autonomous driving so I m quite happy with where we are now. | Eldanon | 2019-01-14 15:54:56 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
afwz2u | [Discussion] It s time to get real about Nav on Autopilot. | I love EAP. It s a joy a pleasure and more or less universally reduces the stress of any drive I use it on. We have 2 Teslas - a HW2 Model S and a HW2.5 P3D. EAP is pretty much equivalent on both cars at this point. Now that everyone has had a couple months to get used to NoA and Tesla has had a couple of months to tweak it please share your current perspective on how “ready” NoA is to deliver consistently on the current set of functionality (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation with lane change confirmation.) I ll start: NoA induces a level of stress similar to teaching a teenager with a learner s permit to drive. NoA frequently makes sudden moves to brake far before merging or when merely considering a lane change. NoA inexplicably slows down to exit ramp speed when passing an exit even when not taking an exit. NoA frequently aborts perfectly safe lane changes and swerves to the original lane. NoA gives terrible advice about which lane to be in hugging the right lane far too early. NoA gives terrible advice about when to be in the HoV lane staying in for far too long in some cases and inexplicably wanting to temporarily leave it at others. NoA inexplicably turns off for certain short interstate segments and then picks up again a couple hundred feet later (and no not talking tunnels here.) Do any of these sound familiar to folks who use NoA on a regular basis? I know all the tricks: hover with foot over the accelerator accelerate to combat the phantom slow downs toggle off HoV mode when you want to exit reporting issues through voice command etc etc... NoA often does the right thing and this makes me giddy excited for the future and coming back for more but at this point I don t need the extra anxiety. I m pretty close to turning off NoA until it sees major update and I m an early adopter beta tester for most new tech. I desperately want for it to be good and for the next step of unconfirmed lane changes to be right around the corner but if this is the best the HW 2.0 2.5 hardware or the 48 50 software is capable of then I don t have a high degree of confidence we ll see that anytime soon. In fact given all of the sudden erratic moves made by NoA I m surprised we haven t seen evidence of it causing an accident - especially with the panic braking. (Not that it s anyone s biz but I m long TSLA by more than the value of our cars.) Please share your honest thoughts. | ekobres | 2019-01-14 15:40:40 | 131 | ee25dga | I honestly agree with pretty much everything you mentioned. I have a Model 3 LR RWD. While I do love NoA and like...75-80% of the time it works great those phantom slowdowns trying to switch lanes and then backing out only to immediately try again freaks me the heck out. It s super exciting that this even exists and that honestly it s not bad. That being said there is always room for improvement. Also even with regular AP2 it sometimes sees a shadow under a certain bridge on my daily commute as an object and goes full halt. It s super startling since it is not consistent at all. Not sure if anyone else has had this issue. I ve tried to monitor it and sometimes all will be well but sometimes it does what I mentioned. | jkazama2 | 2019-01-14 17:39:40 | 7 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
afwz2u | [Discussion] It s time to get real about Nav on Autopilot. | I love EAP. It s a joy a pleasure and more or less universally reduces the stress of any drive I use it on. We have 2 Teslas - a HW2 Model S and a HW2.5 P3D. EAP is pretty much equivalent on both cars at this point. Now that everyone has had a couple months to get used to NoA and Tesla has had a couple of months to tweak it please share your current perspective on how “ready” NoA is to deliver consistently on the current set of functionality (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation with lane change confirmation.) I ll start: NoA induces a level of stress similar to teaching a teenager with a learner s permit to drive. NoA frequently makes sudden moves to brake far before merging or when merely considering a lane change. NoA inexplicably slows down to exit ramp speed when passing an exit even when not taking an exit. NoA frequently aborts perfectly safe lane changes and swerves to the original lane. NoA gives terrible advice about which lane to be in hugging the right lane far too early. NoA gives terrible advice about when to be in the HoV lane staying in for far too long in some cases and inexplicably wanting to temporarily leave it at others. NoA inexplicably turns off for certain short interstate segments and then picks up again a couple hundred feet later (and no not talking tunnels here.) Do any of these sound familiar to folks who use NoA on a regular basis? I know all the tricks: hover with foot over the accelerator accelerate to combat the phantom slow downs toggle off HoV mode when you want to exit reporting issues through voice command etc etc... NoA often does the right thing and this makes me giddy excited for the future and coming back for more but at this point I don t need the extra anxiety. I m pretty close to turning off NoA until it sees major update and I m an early adopter beta tester for most new tech. I desperately want for it to be good and for the next step of unconfirmed lane changes to be right around the corner but if this is the best the HW 2.0 2.5 hardware or the 48 50 software is capable of then I don t have a high degree of confidence we ll see that anytime soon. In fact given all of the sudden erratic moves made by NoA I m surprised we haven t seen evidence of it causing an accident - especially with the panic braking. (Not that it s anyone s biz but I m long TSLA by more than the value of our cars.) Please share your honest thoughts. | ekobres | 2019-01-14 15:40:40 | 131 | ee1xpo4 | I enjoy it and understand it will improve and has to start somewhere for development. Day 1 isnt perfect and Im happy to beta test until it becomes perfect. Expect improvements not perfection. | dwaynereade | 2019-01-14 16:04:24 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
afwz2u | [Discussion] It s time to get real about Nav on Autopilot. | I love EAP. It s a joy a pleasure and more or less universally reduces the stress of any drive I use it on. We have 2 Teslas - a HW2 Model S and a HW2.5 P3D. EAP is pretty much equivalent on both cars at this point. Now that everyone has had a couple months to get used to NoA and Tesla has had a couple of months to tweak it please share your current perspective on how “ready” NoA is to deliver consistently on the current set of functionality (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation with lane change confirmation.) I ll start: NoA induces a level of stress similar to teaching a teenager with a learner s permit to drive. NoA frequently makes sudden moves to brake far before merging or when merely considering a lane change. NoA inexplicably slows down to exit ramp speed when passing an exit even when not taking an exit. NoA frequently aborts perfectly safe lane changes and swerves to the original lane. NoA gives terrible advice about which lane to be in hugging the right lane far too early. NoA gives terrible advice about when to be in the HoV lane staying in for far too long in some cases and inexplicably wanting to temporarily leave it at others. NoA inexplicably turns off for certain short interstate segments and then picks up again a couple hundred feet later (and no not talking tunnels here.) Do any of these sound familiar to folks who use NoA on a regular basis? I know all the tricks: hover with foot over the accelerator accelerate to combat the phantom slow downs toggle off HoV mode when you want to exit reporting issues through voice command etc etc... NoA often does the right thing and this makes me giddy excited for the future and coming back for more but at this point I don t need the extra anxiety. I m pretty close to turning off NoA until it sees major update and I m an early adopter beta tester for most new tech. I desperately want for it to be good and for the next step of unconfirmed lane changes to be right around the corner but if this is the best the HW 2.0 2.5 hardware or the 48 50 software is capable of then I don t have a high degree of confidence we ll see that anytime soon. In fact given all of the sudden erratic moves made by NoA I m surprised we haven t seen evidence of it causing an accident - especially with the panic braking. (Not that it s anyone s biz but I m long TSLA by more than the value of our cars.) Please share your honest thoughts. | ekobres | 2019-01-14 15:40:40 | 131 | ee2320g | I m going to preface my response with this: & #x200B I wholeheartedly agree with your gripes. NoA is severely lacking in the most basic of scenarios. The fact that we don t have the overpass issue solved at this point is nearly inexcusable given the age of the technology and how easy it would be to tile these areas on the map to ignore from the wealth of NN data Tesla has. For example there is 0 reason why the braking issue should occur on the same overpass more than once for anyone. If the software has seen it it should be corrected and never happen again. It s not like overpasses pop up overnight. & #x200B That said I want you to remember that this is by far the very best solution for autonomous driving that a consumer can slap cash down to buy TODAY and drive TODAY. No one else is even close to a consumer product that rivals this. | ExConBabysitter | 2019-01-14 17:11:25 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
afwz2u | [Discussion] It s time to get real about Nav on Autopilot. | I love EAP. It s a joy a pleasure and more or less universally reduces the stress of any drive I use it on. We have 2 Teslas - a HW2 Model S and a HW2.5 P3D. EAP is pretty much equivalent on both cars at this point. Now that everyone has had a couple months to get used to NoA and Tesla has had a couple of months to tweak it please share your current perspective on how “ready” NoA is to deliver consistently on the current set of functionality (on-ramp to off-ramp navigation with lane change confirmation.) I ll start: NoA induces a level of stress similar to teaching a teenager with a learner s permit to drive. NoA frequently makes sudden moves to brake far before merging or when merely considering a lane change. NoA inexplicably slows down to exit ramp speed when passing an exit even when not taking an exit. NoA frequently aborts perfectly safe lane changes and swerves to the original lane. NoA gives terrible advice about which lane to be in hugging the right lane far too early. NoA gives terrible advice about when to be in the HoV lane staying in for far too long in some cases and inexplicably wanting to temporarily leave it at others. NoA inexplicably turns off for certain short interstate segments and then picks up again a couple hundred feet later (and no not talking tunnels here.) Do any of these sound familiar to folks who use NoA on a regular basis? I know all the tricks: hover with foot over the accelerator accelerate to combat the phantom slow downs toggle off HoV mode when you want to exit reporting issues through voice command etc etc... NoA often does the right thing and this makes me giddy excited for the future and coming back for more but at this point I don t need the extra anxiety. I m pretty close to turning off NoA until it sees major update and I m an early adopter beta tester for most new tech. I desperately want for it to be good and for the next step of unconfirmed lane changes to be right around the corner but if this is the best the HW 2.0 2.5 hardware or the 48 50 software is capable of then I don t have a high degree of confidence we ll see that anytime soon. In fact given all of the sudden erratic moves made by NoA I m surprised we haven t seen evidence of it causing an accident - especially with the panic braking. (Not that it s anyone s biz but I m long TSLA by more than the value of our cars.) Please share your honest thoughts. | ekobres | 2019-01-14 15:40:40 | 131 | ee232io | EAP is still terrible at lane changes. NOA slows down too much and too early for interchanges. | canikony | 2019-01-14 17:11:35 | 5 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8vky4f | [Discussion] Just got VIN assignment for the order I put in on June 18th for our second Model 3. Either I got lucky or current Model 3 owners are jumping to the front of the line. | FYI if the wait is worrying on getting a second car it is not going to be very long. Also I apologize to anyone who I skipped in line. I was fine with and expecting to wait until November. | theangryburrito | 2018-07-02 18:22:02 | 37 | e1o53hi | 50 008 for those wondering. | theangryburrito | 2018-07-02 18:25:26 | 8 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8vky4f | [Discussion] Just got VIN assignment for the order I put in on June 18th for our second Model 3. Either I got lucky or current Model 3 owners are jumping to the front of the line. | FYI if the wait is worrying on getting a second car it is not going to be very long. Also I apologize to anyone who I skipped in line. I was fine with and expecting to wait until November. | theangryburrito | 2018-07-02 18:22:02 | 37 | e1o5ep8 | 5.5 weeks ago my delivery estimate was 3-6 weeks. Still no VIN. E: Got someone in the phone. Car is in production . He doesn t know if that means waiting to be build being build or sitting in a parking lot. However it is waiting for a vin . He can t help anymore and will ask my Delivery Advisor to contact me. | hkibad | 2018-07-02 18:29:56 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
98t8w8 | [Discussion] Just over 10 days max before V9.0 drops. Or will it? | Will we see 9.0 before september or do you think we ve again fallen for Elon time ? [Fill in the poll!](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1) What are you hoping expecting v9.0 contains (when it drops not in later V9.0 updates)? I expect: * On-ramp to off-ramp autopilot (EAP) * Reading traffic signs (AP2+) * Correct display of vehicle (truck car motorcycle) on the dash * Dashcam functionality (front back at the very minimum please 360 would be nice) I hope: * Option to select male female nav voice (new nav changed voice from male to female and my car doesn t sound feel like mine anymore (Dutch)) * Refreshed UI would be nice * Media player overhaul (but for the love of God let us keep Spotify in Europe!) Let s discuss what you re hoping and expecting to see in 9.0 (and don t forget to [fill in the poll](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1)!) | RobIII | 2018-08-20 12:43:19 | 24 | e4iimkx | I hope they fix the map traffic cache so it updates again and fix the responsiveness that was broken in the last few updates. | ThaiTum | 2018-08-20 12:54:22 | 13 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
98t8w8 | [Discussion] Just over 10 days max before V9.0 drops. Or will it? | Will we see 9.0 before september or do you think we ve again fallen for Elon time ? [Fill in the poll!](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1) What are you hoping expecting v9.0 contains (when it drops not in later V9.0 updates)? I expect: * On-ramp to off-ramp autopilot (EAP) * Reading traffic signs (AP2+) * Correct display of vehicle (truck car motorcycle) on the dash * Dashcam functionality (front back at the very minimum please 360 would be nice) I hope: * Option to select male female nav voice (new nav changed voice from male to female and my car doesn t sound feel like mine anymore (Dutch)) * Refreshed UI would be nice * Media player overhaul (but for the love of God let us keep Spotify in Europe!) Let s discuss what you re hoping and expecting to see in 9.0 (and don t forget to [fill in the poll](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1)!) | RobIII | 2018-08-20 12:43:19 | 24 | e4ikowe | Here s a quote: > And we re hoping to get that out to early access program in about four weeks and then broadly in September. Four weeks from August 1st is the very end of August September probably refers to late September at the earliest and then it takes another month or so to reach the whole fleet. By Halloween you might see Version 9. Trick or Treat! | croninsiglos | 2018-08-20 13:33:27 | 13 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
98t8w8 | [Discussion] Just over 10 days max before V9.0 drops. Or will it? | Will we see 9.0 before september or do you think we ve again fallen for Elon time ? [Fill in the poll!](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1) What are you hoping expecting v9.0 contains (when it drops not in later V9.0 updates)? I expect: * On-ramp to off-ramp autopilot (EAP) * Reading traffic signs (AP2+) * Correct display of vehicle (truck car motorcycle) on the dash * Dashcam functionality (front back at the very minimum please 360 would be nice) I hope: * Option to select male female nav voice (new nav changed voice from male to female and my car doesn t sound feel like mine anymore (Dutch)) * Refreshed UI would be nice * Media player overhaul (but for the love of God let us keep Spotify in Europe!) Let s discuss what you re hoping and expecting to see in 9.0 (and don t forget to [fill in the poll](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1)!) | RobIII | 2018-08-20 12:43:19 | 24 | e4iwefw | I wish North American users would get Spotify or really any full-featured music option instead of that radio crap that TuneIn offers. Seriously a glaring omission in Tesla s infotainment. | dcdttu | 2018-08-20 16:34:24 | 12 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
98t8w8 | [Discussion] Just over 10 days max before V9.0 drops. Or will it? | Will we see 9.0 before september or do you think we ve again fallen for Elon time ? [Fill in the poll!](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1) What are you hoping expecting v9.0 contains (when it drops not in later V9.0 updates)? I expect: * On-ramp to off-ramp autopilot (EAP) * Reading traffic signs (AP2+) * Correct display of vehicle (truck car motorcycle) on the dash * Dashcam functionality (front back at the very minimum please 360 would be nice) I hope: * Option to select male female nav voice (new nav changed voice from male to female and my car doesn t sound feel like mine anymore (Dutch)) * Refreshed UI would be nice * Media player overhaul (but for the love of God let us keep Spotify in Europe!) Let s discuss what you re hoping and expecting to see in 9.0 (and don t forget to [fill in the poll](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1)!) | RobIII | 2018-08-20 12:43:19 | 24 | e4ijsej | 10 days maybe. 100 days definitely. | PaleInTexas | 2018-08-20 13:17:06 | 6 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
98t8w8 | [Discussion] Just over 10 days max before V9.0 drops. Or will it? | Will we see 9.0 before september or do you think we ve again fallen for Elon time ? [Fill in the poll!](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1) What are you hoping expecting v9.0 contains (when it drops not in later V9.0 updates)? I expect: * On-ramp to off-ramp autopilot (EAP) * Reading traffic signs (AP2+) * Correct display of vehicle (truck car motorcycle) on the dash * Dashcam functionality (front back at the very minimum please 360 would be nice) I hope: * Option to select male female nav voice (new nav changed voice from male to female and my car doesn t sound feel like mine anymore (Dutch)) * Refreshed UI would be nice * Media player overhaul (but for the love of God let us keep Spotify in Europe!) Let s discuss what you re hoping and expecting to see in 9.0 (and don t forget to [fill in the poll](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1)!) | RobIII | 2018-08-20 12:43:19 | 24 | e4ik3rw | I think August time-frame was Elon time. I m optimistic for September but expect it in October. | Eldanon | 2018-08-20 13:22:54 | 5 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
98t8w8 | [Discussion] Just over 10 days max before V9.0 drops. Or will it? | Will we see 9.0 before september or do you think we ve again fallen for Elon time ? [Fill in the poll!](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1) What are you hoping expecting v9.0 contains (when it drops not in later V9.0 updates)? I expect: * On-ramp to off-ramp autopilot (EAP) * Reading traffic signs (AP2+) * Correct display of vehicle (truck car motorcycle) on the dash * Dashcam functionality (front back at the very minimum please 360 would be nice) I hope: * Option to select male female nav voice (new nav changed voice from male to female and my car doesn t sound feel like mine anymore (Dutch)) * Refreshed UI would be nice * Media player overhaul (but for the love of God let us keep Spotify in Europe!) Let s discuss what you re hoping and expecting to see in 9.0 (and don t forget to [fill in the poll](https: strawpoll.com 8b3g99x1)!) | RobIII | 2018-08-20 12:43:19 | 24 | e4ixa7b | > On-ramp to off-ramp autopilot (EAP) Probably. > Reading traffic signs (AP2+) Not likely or it ll be very limited at first. There are a LOT of road signs world-wide. > Correct display of vehicle (truck car motorcycle) on the dash I wouldn t count on this because it doesn t influence how the vehicle behaves. I don t have to show you a picture of a truck to know not to run into it. > Dashcam functionality (front back at the very minimum please 360 would be nice) No way. Too much data and nowhere to store it. > Option to select male female nav voice Doubtful but not impossible. > Refreshed UI would be nice I d expect this. Highly likely they will unify the look feel between the S X 3. > Media player overhaul (but for the love of God let us keep Spotify in Europe!) We can hope. The US Slacker implementation is bad primarily because Slacker updated and improved their service and Tesla didn t keep up with them on the client side. | majesticjg | 2018-08-20 16:46:58 | 5 | Tesla Software Update Analysis |
9pfa5t | [Discussion] LR AWD discounted refund options? | I ordered my TM3 AWD non-performance last week pickup is Sunday. My cost was $55k + red paint EAP taxes and fees. In looking at the pricing now it looks like the base price has dropped to $54k. I configured the same car I have and my contract has it at $62 500 but the new configuration shows at $61 500. I have not signed the contract yet but I have paid the down payment. Does anyone know if I can have the $1k difference refunded? Posting as a new post instead of in daily questions since I assume anyone who has ordered an AWD but not taken delivery yet is going to want to know this one. & #x200B EDIT: I just received the below from someone who apparently works for Tesla: We will honor the new price ($5 000) for customers who have not taken delivery as of this announcement and who ordered Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive at the previous price ($6 000). If the customer s delivery paperwork has already been generated with the previous pricing these customers will be refunded the price difference and this change will not be reflected on their delivery profile. & #x200B Thank you everyone for your answers! Edit 2: I spoke to my DA this morning. They are definitely honoring the reduced price but it isn t clear if it s in the form of a refund with no paperwork updates or if the refund is honored at time of delivery for $1k less is paid for the car. He contacted contracting and will get back to me about whether they can draw up new paperwork before I take delivery. In the meantime I m holding off on signing my MVPA with the old pricing until I hear back. An up front cost reduction is preferred due to lack of wait time but also due to less tax paid. Edit 3: My DA (shoutout to the fantastic Aaric Willard in Las Vegas who has made this process friendly and easy and who has been very responsive) updates the pricing on the website which also returned the tax on the $1k discount to me as well. He adjusted my financing amount to compensate and sent me an updated MVPA reflecting the changes. | Gabik123 | 2018-10-19 01:27:41 | 16 | e81ca4v | Just tell them if they don t give you the new price you re going to return it as soon as picking it up then ordering again at the new price. You ll still get it before December 31st and they know that. | TWANGnBANG | 2018-10-19 01:42:46 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8kwmgy | [Discussion] Let s get a show of hands of how many day1 line waiters have received their Model 3. Where were you that day and how does it feel now. | Curious to see who s furthest from the factory and the store where you stood in line. That day was memorable. | Derfein | 2018-05-20 23:54:08 | 36 | dzb44l0 | 4500 miles put in already. I remember the Palo Alto McLaren and Volvo dealerships next door and their salesmen were wondering wtf was going on. Tesla store ran out of donuts and drip coffee. | Derfein | 2018-05-21 00:27:00 | 25 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8kwmgy | [Discussion] Let s get a show of hands of how many day1 line waiters have received their Model 3. Where were you that day and how does it feel now. | Curious to see who s furthest from the factory and the store where you stood in line. That day was memorable. | Derfein | 2018-05-20 23:54:08 | 36 | dzb4ub5 | Was in line at the Bellevue location around 550th in line just got my car yesterday and a software update failed last night. Now I have to wait until Monday morning to be able to drive my car. :( For the one day I was able to drive it it s fantastic. | emerald09 | 2018-05-21 00:40:38 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8kwmgy | [Discussion] Let s get a show of hands of how many day1 line waiters have received their Model 3. Where were you that day and how does it feel now. | Curious to see who s furthest from the factory and the store where you stood in line. That day was memorable. | Derfein | 2018-05-20 23:54:08 | 36 | dzbg87u | I waited in line with my father and mother at Park Meadows Mall in Denver. My father is a Model S owner and we drove down from Fort Collins in my father s Model S at around 5:15am. At the time my parents said I don t think anyone is lining up for this car - no one even know what it looks like and you won t get it for two years but someone somewhere had a spreadsheet online where people were tracking the line in something close to real-time and you could see the numbers ticking steadily up in Denver. We got there around 6:45am and I was about 115th in line... and I know this because they let the first hundred in the door of the mall while everyone after 101st had to stand outside where it was 25F and snowing lightly. We got in the door around 10am and I made my reservation and my mother made hers at about 10:45am. As we left the mall after reserving the line was clearly in the thousands of people and snaked back and forth across the back of the mall and it was still snowing. My configuration tool went live on Jan. 17th I ordered immediately and took delivery on Feb. 2nd. And it s literally been fantastic. Rarely in my life have I been so excited about something and waited so long for something and not been disappointed in the result but my Model 3 brings a smile to me every time I get in it. I have about 3500 miles on it and nothing was wrong with it when I got it and nothing has gone wrong since. My mother got hers today in Bozeman MT and aside from a long and confusing wait trying to figure out when they would deliver it once she got it she has been super thrilled with it. | Formerly_Guava | 2018-05-21 04:34:01 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
7w64ms | [Discussion] Let s talk about bad faith for a minute... | My apologies in advance for the wall of text but there s something we need to discuss. A recurring theme on this sub prompted by bad news from Tesla (particularly schedule delays) is that Tesla has engaged in bad faith. Sometimes this assertion looks like an accusation: Model 3 delayed? But I gave them $1000! Tesla is going to get sued for its bad faith! I HAVE RIGHTS DAMMIT!!! As a Model 3 reservation holder (in person 3 31) I totally understand the exquisite torture of this wait. But as an attorney in the U.S. slinging claims of bad faith rubs me the wrong way. I ve litigated consumer fraud cases and claims of bad faith negotiations or bad faith behavior and I don t think it s fair to claim that Tesla has engaged in deceptive practices. Let me explain why... Legal dictionaries define bad faith as: *intentional dishonest act by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others.* (States typically recognize claims for breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing but I m not going to do a survey of state legislation or common law.) The basic definition is enough for our purposes. Let s break down its elements: 1. intentional dishonest act If there is any evidence that Tesla believed at the time the estimates were made that they could not be fulfilled I haven t seen it. Were they optimistic? Probably. Did they fall far short of the planned ramp? Of course! But there is no evidence that Elon sat down with Voldemort Moff Tarkin and Lex Luthor and said boys we re going to promise delivery in January even though we can NEVER do it because we want that sweet sweet kilobuck from u _rdaneel_. Now hold my ambien-spiked syrah while I go do some dishonest shit. 1. by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations Critically your $1000 reservation fee - per the agreement with Tesla *that you accepted* - is not a deposit. It bears no interest and does not entitle you to anything at any time. You re holding a place in line and can back out at any time without penalty. The fine print (lawyers love fine print!) says that Tesla has **not promised to sell you a car ever.** 1. misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others As described above there is no evidence that Tesla ever intended to NOT sell you a Model 3. In fact the several thousand Model 3s on the road suggest that Tesla does indeed want to trade your cheddar for their car. As for the basic standards of honesty I repeat that missing a goal even an optimistic one is not dishonest (at least legally speaking). No state attorney general is going to pursue Tesla over this claim. BUT BUT BUT TEH TAX CREDITZ! Note that Tesla never promised that you would be entitled to a federal tax credit. Indeed the $35 000 base price is before tax incentives. So if there are no tax incentives you still pay $35 000. You may feel sad or mad or hurt that you haven t gotten your car. I share your pain. But the law doesn t exist to protect our feelings. It exists to protect consumers from deliberate faleshoods. Until some new evidence surfaces I m going to continue to give Tesla the (legally-required!) benefit of the doubt and just keep wishing for that invitation to configure. In the mean time let s collectively knock off the bad faith claims. | _rdaneel_ | 2018-02-08 16:46:22 | 502 | dtxrkg9 | Are a lot of people here claiming to want to sue Tesla? Moreso I see disappointed buyers who are either priced out because of missing the tax credit or can t afford to wait an additional 3-6+ months every time there is a schedule slip. Worst case that I ve seen repeatedly is backing out of the sale which is honestly a better signal to Tesla than a lawsuit and much cheaper for the consumer. Colloquial use of bad-faith is different than a legal usage but then so are most terms that are thrown around willy-nilly. | notsooriginal | 2018-02-08 16:53:20 | 71 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7w64ms | [Discussion] Let s talk about bad faith for a minute... | My apologies in advance for the wall of text but there s something we need to discuss. A recurring theme on this sub prompted by bad news from Tesla (particularly schedule delays) is that Tesla has engaged in bad faith. Sometimes this assertion looks like an accusation: Model 3 delayed? But I gave them $1000! Tesla is going to get sued for its bad faith! I HAVE RIGHTS DAMMIT!!! As a Model 3 reservation holder (in person 3 31) I totally understand the exquisite torture of this wait. But as an attorney in the U.S. slinging claims of bad faith rubs me the wrong way. I ve litigated consumer fraud cases and claims of bad faith negotiations or bad faith behavior and I don t think it s fair to claim that Tesla has engaged in deceptive practices. Let me explain why... Legal dictionaries define bad faith as: *intentional dishonest act by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others.* (States typically recognize claims for breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing but I m not going to do a survey of state legislation or common law.) The basic definition is enough for our purposes. Let s break down its elements: 1. intentional dishonest act If there is any evidence that Tesla believed at the time the estimates were made that they could not be fulfilled I haven t seen it. Were they optimistic? Probably. Did they fall far short of the planned ramp? Of course! But there is no evidence that Elon sat down with Voldemort Moff Tarkin and Lex Luthor and said boys we re going to promise delivery in January even though we can NEVER do it because we want that sweet sweet kilobuck from u _rdaneel_. Now hold my ambien-spiked syrah while I go do some dishonest shit. 1. by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations Critically your $1000 reservation fee - per the agreement with Tesla *that you accepted* - is not a deposit. It bears no interest and does not entitle you to anything at any time. You re holding a place in line and can back out at any time without penalty. The fine print (lawyers love fine print!) says that Tesla has **not promised to sell you a car ever.** 1. misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others As described above there is no evidence that Tesla ever intended to NOT sell you a Model 3. In fact the several thousand Model 3s on the road suggest that Tesla does indeed want to trade your cheddar for their car. As for the basic standards of honesty I repeat that missing a goal even an optimistic one is not dishonest (at least legally speaking). No state attorney general is going to pursue Tesla over this claim. BUT BUT BUT TEH TAX CREDITZ! Note that Tesla never promised that you would be entitled to a federal tax credit. Indeed the $35 000 base price is before tax incentives. So if there are no tax incentives you still pay $35 000. You may feel sad or mad or hurt that you haven t gotten your car. I share your pain. But the law doesn t exist to protect our feelings. It exists to protect consumers from deliberate faleshoods. Until some new evidence surfaces I m going to continue to give Tesla the (legally-required!) benefit of the doubt and just keep wishing for that invitation to configure. In the mean time let s collectively knock off the bad faith claims. | _rdaneel_ | 2018-02-08 16:46:22 | 502 | dtxx5gm | This bullshit is the sort of thing a CEO would sell his soul to be able to produce for his company. You guys are so high on Tesla kool aid you are literally breaking your backs bending over making excuses for the company. Musk could stomp a kitten to death and you guys would find a reason to justify it. If ANY other company pulled half the shit Tesla and Musk did it would be a bloodbath. Yet here we have Tesla deliberately leading you guys on until after the fourth quarter conference call so they could sell some hype only to push delivery back AGAIN even further and instead of being rightly pissed you guys try to argue why paying willing customers should be HAPPY about it. If you could bottle this phenomenon and sell it you would be a trillionaire. | supersnausages | 2018-02-08 18:12:27 | 37 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7w64ms | [Discussion] Let s talk about bad faith for a minute... | My apologies in advance for the wall of text but there s something we need to discuss. A recurring theme on this sub prompted by bad news from Tesla (particularly schedule delays) is that Tesla has engaged in bad faith. Sometimes this assertion looks like an accusation: Model 3 delayed? But I gave them $1000! Tesla is going to get sued for its bad faith! I HAVE RIGHTS DAMMIT!!! As a Model 3 reservation holder (in person 3 31) I totally understand the exquisite torture of this wait. But as an attorney in the U.S. slinging claims of bad faith rubs me the wrong way. I ve litigated consumer fraud cases and claims of bad faith negotiations or bad faith behavior and I don t think it s fair to claim that Tesla has engaged in deceptive practices. Let me explain why... Legal dictionaries define bad faith as: *intentional dishonest act by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others.* (States typically recognize claims for breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing but I m not going to do a survey of state legislation or common law.) The basic definition is enough for our purposes. Let s break down its elements: 1. intentional dishonest act If there is any evidence that Tesla believed at the time the estimates were made that they could not be fulfilled I haven t seen it. Were they optimistic? Probably. Did they fall far short of the planned ramp? Of course! But there is no evidence that Elon sat down with Voldemort Moff Tarkin and Lex Luthor and said boys we re going to promise delivery in January even though we can NEVER do it because we want that sweet sweet kilobuck from u _rdaneel_. Now hold my ambien-spiked syrah while I go do some dishonest shit. 1. by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations Critically your $1000 reservation fee - per the agreement with Tesla *that you accepted* - is not a deposit. It bears no interest and does not entitle you to anything at any time. You re holding a place in line and can back out at any time without penalty. The fine print (lawyers love fine print!) says that Tesla has **not promised to sell you a car ever.** 1. misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others As described above there is no evidence that Tesla ever intended to NOT sell you a Model 3. In fact the several thousand Model 3s on the road suggest that Tesla does indeed want to trade your cheddar for their car. As for the basic standards of honesty I repeat that missing a goal even an optimistic one is not dishonest (at least legally speaking). No state attorney general is going to pursue Tesla over this claim. BUT BUT BUT TEH TAX CREDITZ! Note that Tesla never promised that you would be entitled to a federal tax credit. Indeed the $35 000 base price is before tax incentives. So if there are no tax incentives you still pay $35 000. You may feel sad or mad or hurt that you haven t gotten your car. I share your pain. But the law doesn t exist to protect our feelings. It exists to protect consumers from deliberate faleshoods. Until some new evidence surfaces I m going to continue to give Tesla the (legally-required!) benefit of the doubt and just keep wishing for that invitation to configure. In the mean time let s collectively knock off the bad faith claims. | _rdaneel_ | 2018-02-08 16:46:22 | 502 | dty30dv | > You re holding a place in line Except you don t know where in the line or even what line. And the line gets reshuffled underneath you opaquely without notice. | Schnort | 2018-02-08 19:34:13 | 29 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7w64ms | [Discussion] Let s talk about bad faith for a minute... | My apologies in advance for the wall of text but there s something we need to discuss. A recurring theme on this sub prompted by bad news from Tesla (particularly schedule delays) is that Tesla has engaged in bad faith. Sometimes this assertion looks like an accusation: Model 3 delayed? But I gave them $1000! Tesla is going to get sued for its bad faith! I HAVE RIGHTS DAMMIT!!! As a Model 3 reservation holder (in person 3 31) I totally understand the exquisite torture of this wait. But as an attorney in the U.S. slinging claims of bad faith rubs me the wrong way. I ve litigated consumer fraud cases and claims of bad faith negotiations or bad faith behavior and I don t think it s fair to claim that Tesla has engaged in deceptive practices. Let me explain why... Legal dictionaries define bad faith as: *intentional dishonest act by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others.* (States typically recognize claims for breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing but I m not going to do a survey of state legislation or common law.) The basic definition is enough for our purposes. Let s break down its elements: 1. intentional dishonest act If there is any evidence that Tesla believed at the time the estimates were made that they could not be fulfilled I haven t seen it. Were they optimistic? Probably. Did they fall far short of the planned ramp? Of course! But there is no evidence that Elon sat down with Voldemort Moff Tarkin and Lex Luthor and said boys we re going to promise delivery in January even though we can NEVER do it because we want that sweet sweet kilobuck from u _rdaneel_. Now hold my ambien-spiked syrah while I go do some dishonest shit. 1. by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations Critically your $1000 reservation fee - per the agreement with Tesla *that you accepted* - is not a deposit. It bears no interest and does not entitle you to anything at any time. You re holding a place in line and can back out at any time without penalty. The fine print (lawyers love fine print!) says that Tesla has **not promised to sell you a car ever.** 1. misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others As described above there is no evidence that Tesla ever intended to NOT sell you a Model 3. In fact the several thousand Model 3s on the road suggest that Tesla does indeed want to trade your cheddar for their car. As for the basic standards of honesty I repeat that missing a goal even an optimistic one is not dishonest (at least legally speaking). No state attorney general is going to pursue Tesla over this claim. BUT BUT BUT TEH TAX CREDITZ! Note that Tesla never promised that you would be entitled to a federal tax credit. Indeed the $35 000 base price is before tax incentives. So if there are no tax incentives you still pay $35 000. You may feel sad or mad or hurt that you haven t gotten your car. I share your pain. But the law doesn t exist to protect our feelings. It exists to protect consumers from deliberate faleshoods. Until some new evidence surfaces I m going to continue to give Tesla the (legally-required!) benefit of the doubt and just keep wishing for that invitation to configure. In the mean time let s collectively knock off the bad faith claims. | _rdaneel_ | 2018-02-08 16:46:22 | 502 | dty1cmw | I ve actually not see the term bad faith used at all here till reading your title post. | red_stripe05 | 2018-02-08 19:10:41 | 20 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7w64ms | [Discussion] Let s talk about bad faith for a minute... | My apologies in advance for the wall of text but there s something we need to discuss. A recurring theme on this sub prompted by bad news from Tesla (particularly schedule delays) is that Tesla has engaged in bad faith. Sometimes this assertion looks like an accusation: Model 3 delayed? But I gave them $1000! Tesla is going to get sued for its bad faith! I HAVE RIGHTS DAMMIT!!! As a Model 3 reservation holder (in person 3 31) I totally understand the exquisite torture of this wait. But as an attorney in the U.S. slinging claims of bad faith rubs me the wrong way. I ve litigated consumer fraud cases and claims of bad faith negotiations or bad faith behavior and I don t think it s fair to claim that Tesla has engaged in deceptive practices. Let me explain why... Legal dictionaries define bad faith as: *intentional dishonest act by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others.* (States typically recognize claims for breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing but I m not going to do a survey of state legislation or common law.) The basic definition is enough for our purposes. Let s break down its elements: 1. intentional dishonest act If there is any evidence that Tesla believed at the time the estimates were made that they could not be fulfilled I haven t seen it. Were they optimistic? Probably. Did they fall far short of the planned ramp? Of course! But there is no evidence that Elon sat down with Voldemort Moff Tarkin and Lex Luthor and said boys we re going to promise delivery in January even though we can NEVER do it because we want that sweet sweet kilobuck from u _rdaneel_. Now hold my ambien-spiked syrah while I go do some dishonest shit. 1. by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations Critically your $1000 reservation fee - per the agreement with Tesla *that you accepted* - is not a deposit. It bears no interest and does not entitle you to anything at any time. You re holding a place in line and can back out at any time without penalty. The fine print (lawyers love fine print!) says that Tesla has **not promised to sell you a car ever.** 1. misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others As described above there is no evidence that Tesla ever intended to NOT sell you a Model 3. In fact the several thousand Model 3s on the road suggest that Tesla does indeed want to trade your cheddar for their car. As for the basic standards of honesty I repeat that missing a goal even an optimistic one is not dishonest (at least legally speaking). No state attorney general is going to pursue Tesla over this claim. BUT BUT BUT TEH TAX CREDITZ! Note that Tesla never promised that you would be entitled to a federal tax credit. Indeed the $35 000 base price is before tax incentives. So if there are no tax incentives you still pay $35 000. You may feel sad or mad or hurt that you haven t gotten your car. I share your pain. But the law doesn t exist to protect our feelings. It exists to protect consumers from deliberate faleshoods. Until some new evidence surfaces I m going to continue to give Tesla the (legally-required!) benefit of the doubt and just keep wishing for that invitation to configure. In the mean time let s collectively knock off the bad faith claims. | _rdaneel_ | 2018-02-08 16:46:22 | 502 | dtydkq6 | Not having bad faith in the legal sense is not all the relevant if you are perceived to have bad faith in the consumer space. Delaying the long-promised $35k car to 2019 - and let s be honest they re doing this because they can t afford to lose money on the $35k version so they can t afford to ship it - is unlikely to be legal bad faith since the deposits are fully refundable. But it sure looks like shit in the consumer spaces. It will also be interesting to see if there are repercussions with investors...who knows what nudge nudge wink wink stories were told the big debt buyers. And at some point the smart money is going to start asking why the margins supposedly enabled by the Gigafactory aren t actually showing up. Anyway - I m not a shareholder - and I can cancel my reservation any time a better product comes on the market - so I m not stressing over it. | PSMF_Canuck | 2018-02-08 22:12:09 | 13 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7w64ms | [Discussion] Let s talk about bad faith for a minute... | My apologies in advance for the wall of text but there s something we need to discuss. A recurring theme on this sub prompted by bad news from Tesla (particularly schedule delays) is that Tesla has engaged in bad faith. Sometimes this assertion looks like an accusation: Model 3 delayed? But I gave them $1000! Tesla is going to get sued for its bad faith! I HAVE RIGHTS DAMMIT!!! As a Model 3 reservation holder (in person 3 31) I totally understand the exquisite torture of this wait. But as an attorney in the U.S. slinging claims of bad faith rubs me the wrong way. I ve litigated consumer fraud cases and claims of bad faith negotiations or bad faith behavior and I don t think it s fair to claim that Tesla has engaged in deceptive practices. Let me explain why... Legal dictionaries define bad faith as: *intentional dishonest act by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others.* (States typically recognize claims for breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing but I m not going to do a survey of state legislation or common law.) The basic definition is enough for our purposes. Let s break down its elements: 1. intentional dishonest act If there is any evidence that Tesla believed at the time the estimates were made that they could not be fulfilled I haven t seen it. Were they optimistic? Probably. Did they fall far short of the planned ramp? Of course! But there is no evidence that Elon sat down with Voldemort Moff Tarkin and Lex Luthor and said boys we re going to promise delivery in January even though we can NEVER do it because we want that sweet sweet kilobuck from u _rdaneel_. Now hold my ambien-spiked syrah while I go do some dishonest shit. 1. by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations Critically your $1000 reservation fee - per the agreement with Tesla *that you accepted* - is not a deposit. It bears no interest and does not entitle you to anything at any time. You re holding a place in line and can back out at any time without penalty. The fine print (lawyers love fine print!) says that Tesla has **not promised to sell you a car ever.** 1. misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others As described above there is no evidence that Tesla ever intended to NOT sell you a Model 3. In fact the several thousand Model 3s on the road suggest that Tesla does indeed want to trade your cheddar for their car. As for the basic standards of honesty I repeat that missing a goal even an optimistic one is not dishonest (at least legally speaking). No state attorney general is going to pursue Tesla over this claim. BUT BUT BUT TEH TAX CREDITZ! Note that Tesla never promised that you would be entitled to a federal tax credit. Indeed the $35 000 base price is before tax incentives. So if there are no tax incentives you still pay $35 000. You may feel sad or mad or hurt that you haven t gotten your car. I share your pain. But the law doesn t exist to protect our feelings. It exists to protect consumers from deliberate faleshoods. Until some new evidence surfaces I m going to continue to give Tesla the (legally-required!) benefit of the doubt and just keep wishing for that invitation to configure. In the mean time let s collectively knock off the bad faith claims. | _rdaneel_ | 2018-02-08 16:46:22 | 502 | dtxtl8a | I agree with your points. I am pre-reveal reservation holder and willing to wait some more. But some of us regard Tesla and especially Elon as a more than a business and more than a businessman. That scale brings blind faith and with the same scale hurts when they do something less than expected. It goes both ways. So while you are spot on from legal point of view It s beyond that for better or for worse. I continue to have faith! I am excited with larger picture. | Space-n-Spice | 2018-02-08 17:22:33 | 10 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7w64ms | [Discussion] Let s talk about bad faith for a minute... | My apologies in advance for the wall of text but there s something we need to discuss. A recurring theme on this sub prompted by bad news from Tesla (particularly schedule delays) is that Tesla has engaged in bad faith. Sometimes this assertion looks like an accusation: Model 3 delayed? But I gave them $1000! Tesla is going to get sued for its bad faith! I HAVE RIGHTS DAMMIT!!! As a Model 3 reservation holder (in person 3 31) I totally understand the exquisite torture of this wait. But as an attorney in the U.S. slinging claims of bad faith rubs me the wrong way. I ve litigated consumer fraud cases and claims of bad faith negotiations or bad faith behavior and I don t think it s fair to claim that Tesla has engaged in deceptive practices. Let me explain why... Legal dictionaries define bad faith as: *intentional dishonest act by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others.* (States typically recognize claims for breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing but I m not going to do a survey of state legislation or common law.) The basic definition is enough for our purposes. Let s break down its elements: 1. intentional dishonest act If there is any evidence that Tesla believed at the time the estimates were made that they could not be fulfilled I haven t seen it. Were they optimistic? Probably. Did they fall far short of the planned ramp? Of course! But there is no evidence that Elon sat down with Voldemort Moff Tarkin and Lex Luthor and said boys we re going to promise delivery in January even though we can NEVER do it because we want that sweet sweet kilobuck from u _rdaneel_. Now hold my ambien-spiked syrah while I go do some dishonest shit. 1. by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations Critically your $1000 reservation fee - per the agreement with Tesla *that you accepted* - is not a deposit. It bears no interest and does not entitle you to anything at any time. You re holding a place in line and can back out at any time without penalty. The fine print (lawyers love fine print!) says that Tesla has **not promised to sell you a car ever.** 1. misleading another entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others As described above there is no evidence that Tesla ever intended to NOT sell you a Model 3. In fact the several thousand Model 3s on the road suggest that Tesla does indeed want to trade your cheddar for their car. As for the basic standards of honesty I repeat that missing a goal even an optimistic one is not dishonest (at least legally speaking). No state attorney general is going to pursue Tesla over this claim. BUT BUT BUT TEH TAX CREDITZ! Note that Tesla never promised that you would be entitled to a federal tax credit. Indeed the $35 000 base price is before tax incentives. So if there are no tax incentives you still pay $35 000. You may feel sad or mad or hurt that you haven t gotten your car. I share your pain. But the law doesn t exist to protect our feelings. It exists to protect consumers from deliberate faleshoods. Until some new evidence surfaces I m going to continue to give Tesla the (legally-required!) benefit of the doubt and just keep wishing for that invitation to configure. In the mean time let s collectively knock off the bad faith claims. | _rdaneel_ | 2018-02-08 16:46:22 | 502 | dtxwhqo | I never saw anyone say that. I am however a fanboy that is disillusioned by the whole series of events. I would throw out the phrase bait and switch not legally but ethically. If tesla did plan to sell us a 35K car then why in the long long period of time we have been waiting have we not even been given a glimpse of the SR model 3? Not even a peek? I sold part of my stock before market opening but I m still holding onto my reservation and and the majority of my stock. Hopefully they do something to make things right. I can afford the SR car without the rebate but I am far from rich enough to do so without heavily justifying the decision based on that rebate. Maybe the AWD version will be an affordable stand alone upgrade thay could be justified? I don t know since they haven t even announced how much it is yet. | Worduptothebirdup | 2018-02-08 18:03:25 | 10 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
a178cd | [Discussion] Let s talk about the 44.2 update (and Tesla software updates in general) | So I live in a winter weather area and my car is currently on 44.1. For the last several days my car has been valiantly trying to get me to install 44.2 (I assume - more on that later). Problem is that I don t really want the cold weather optimizations in 44.2. There have been people with some rather alarming problems I ve seen because of those changes (red charging T scratched door trim etc.) that make me hesitant to apply the update. If they re going to add these changes then there should be a winter mode toggle or something in the settings so one can choose if they want the changes. Choice is nice. There are also several things where I don t agree with their execution which I ve mentioned before if you ve seen me post: * I don t want someone to be able to unplug me. * I don t want my mobile charger stolen. * I don t want my J1772 adapter stolen. * I want my windows to actually fully seal. Basically if you re not familiar if you re not currently charging then the car keeps the charge port unlocked. And if the car is unoccupied the windows roll all the way up and then slightly back down. I always charge indoors so the charge port thing doesn t affect me and the window thing hopefully shouldn t affect me since I ve applied silicone lubricant to my window seals and that s been working just fine so far. So this is a new thing in my admittedly brief period of Tesla ownership. *I actually don t like and don t want the changes they ve made in an update.* These are hardware problems and they should have done more (or any?) cold weather testing to discover fixes for them before releasing the car. For now I can just ignore the update but that s going to get difficult in the future. As of today looks like they re starting to test 46.1. What changes that update includes remain to be seen if it s even on the same update track as 44.2. Seems like my only real option is just to break down and accept Tesla s changes. Which brings up my last point. As far as I can tell there s no way to see what version of software you ll be updating to or see the changes before you update. And I don t understand why that is. I can t say I ve ever seen this many other places in the tech world. It should tell you what version you re updating to. It would just be helpful in situations like this or if there s any other update out there in the future that s known to be causing troubles for people. Anyways thanks for reading my little vent session and I d like to know your thoughts. | eyeinthesky45 | 2018-11-28 15:33:43 | 23 | eananhj | I think these changes would all be great if you could toggle them on off in the menu (just like you can toggle on off virtually everything else). I never park my car outside unattended for significant periods and would rather not have these changes either. | garthreddit | 2018-11-28 15:50:25 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a178cd | [Discussion] Let s talk about the 44.2 update (and Tesla software updates in general) | So I live in a winter weather area and my car is currently on 44.1. For the last several days my car has been valiantly trying to get me to install 44.2 (I assume - more on that later). Problem is that I don t really want the cold weather optimizations in 44.2. There have been people with some rather alarming problems I ve seen because of those changes (red charging T scratched door trim etc.) that make me hesitant to apply the update. If they re going to add these changes then there should be a winter mode toggle or something in the settings so one can choose if they want the changes. Choice is nice. There are also several things where I don t agree with their execution which I ve mentioned before if you ve seen me post: * I don t want someone to be able to unplug me. * I don t want my mobile charger stolen. * I don t want my J1772 adapter stolen. * I want my windows to actually fully seal. Basically if you re not familiar if you re not currently charging then the car keeps the charge port unlocked. And if the car is unoccupied the windows roll all the way up and then slightly back down. I always charge indoors so the charge port thing doesn t affect me and the window thing hopefully shouldn t affect me since I ve applied silicone lubricant to my window seals and that s been working just fine so far. So this is a new thing in my admittedly brief period of Tesla ownership. *I actually don t like and don t want the changes they ve made in an update.* These are hardware problems and they should have done more (or any?) cold weather testing to discover fixes for them before releasing the car. For now I can just ignore the update but that s going to get difficult in the future. As of today looks like they re starting to test 46.1. What changes that update includes remain to be seen if it s even on the same update track as 44.2. Seems like my only real option is just to break down and accept Tesla s changes. Which brings up my last point. As far as I can tell there s no way to see what version of software you ll be updating to or see the changes before you update. And I don t understand why that is. I can t say I ve ever seen this many other places in the tech world. It should tell you what version you re updating to. It would just be helpful in situations like this or if there s any other update out there in the future that s known to be causing troubles for people. Anyways thanks for reading my little vent session and I d like to know your thoughts. | eyeinthesky45 | 2018-11-28 15:33:43 | 23 | eana30n | Completely agree with the points you have made. I think there are some fundamental issues with how Tesla handles validation of updates and how updates are pushed out to owners that need to be resolved somewhat soon before a larger issue occurs. Something seems to have changed in the last year or so as to how they validate and test their updates that seems amiss somewhat. There is usually a pretty big bug that shows up quite often and is sometimes pretty widespread which I would assume they would have caught during their testing. | ABigFalconRocket | 2018-11-28 15:44:28 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a178cd | [Discussion] Let s talk about the 44.2 update (and Tesla software updates in general) | So I live in a winter weather area and my car is currently on 44.1. For the last several days my car has been valiantly trying to get me to install 44.2 (I assume - more on that later). Problem is that I don t really want the cold weather optimizations in 44.2. There have been people with some rather alarming problems I ve seen because of those changes (red charging T scratched door trim etc.) that make me hesitant to apply the update. If they re going to add these changes then there should be a winter mode toggle or something in the settings so one can choose if they want the changes. Choice is nice. There are also several things where I don t agree with their execution which I ve mentioned before if you ve seen me post: * I don t want someone to be able to unplug me. * I don t want my mobile charger stolen. * I don t want my J1772 adapter stolen. * I want my windows to actually fully seal. Basically if you re not familiar if you re not currently charging then the car keeps the charge port unlocked. And if the car is unoccupied the windows roll all the way up and then slightly back down. I always charge indoors so the charge port thing doesn t affect me and the window thing hopefully shouldn t affect me since I ve applied silicone lubricant to my window seals and that s been working just fine so far. So this is a new thing in my admittedly brief period of Tesla ownership. *I actually don t like and don t want the changes they ve made in an update.* These are hardware problems and they should have done more (or any?) cold weather testing to discover fixes for them before releasing the car. For now I can just ignore the update but that s going to get difficult in the future. As of today looks like they re starting to test 46.1. What changes that update includes remain to be seen if it s even on the same update track as 44.2. Seems like my only real option is just to break down and accept Tesla s changes. Which brings up my last point. As far as I can tell there s no way to see what version of software you ll be updating to or see the changes before you update. And I don t understand why that is. I can t say I ve ever seen this many other places in the tech world. It should tell you what version you re updating to. It would just be helpful in situations like this or if there s any other update out there in the future that s known to be causing troubles for people. Anyways thanks for reading my little vent session and I d like to know your thoughts. | eyeinthesky45 | 2018-11-28 15:33:43 | 23 | eanz2dt | Just a note that the changes seem to be temp related. If the temp is warmer the car acts like it used to. It is only when it is colder that the windows and lock of the charger behavior changes. I got 44.2 last week when it was around 0 C and when I did the changes you mentioned were all occurring. Then it warmed up to 8 C and the car went back to behaving like it did before the update. Now it is back cold again and back to behaving the new way. I think it is a quick and dirty way to get people s issues fixed. There was a cold snap in the north east at the end of last week and people started having issues. So they pushed out the update quickly to help mitigate them. There were lots of people travelling for thanksgiving in the states so they probably wanted to resolve some of the issues people were experiencing. My guess is this will become configurable in a future update. My Nissan Leaf had the ability to control how the charging head locks. I personally liked having the ability to have the charger unlock after charging is complete so that someone could unplug and plug their own car if they needed to. As for the window fully sealing it still does. It just drops down slightly. Once you get in the car and put it into drive it rolls back into normal position. As for the other concerns I agree there should be options to control it so people can choose the way it behaves. Like I said above I think this will get added in a future update. | zombienudist | 2018-11-28 20:36:15 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
a178cd | [Discussion] Let s talk about the 44.2 update (and Tesla software updates in general) | So I live in a winter weather area and my car is currently on 44.1. For the last several days my car has been valiantly trying to get me to install 44.2 (I assume - more on that later). Problem is that I don t really want the cold weather optimizations in 44.2. There have been people with some rather alarming problems I ve seen because of those changes (red charging T scratched door trim etc.) that make me hesitant to apply the update. If they re going to add these changes then there should be a winter mode toggle or something in the settings so one can choose if they want the changes. Choice is nice. There are also several things where I don t agree with their execution which I ve mentioned before if you ve seen me post: * I don t want someone to be able to unplug me. * I don t want my mobile charger stolen. * I don t want my J1772 adapter stolen. * I want my windows to actually fully seal. Basically if you re not familiar if you re not currently charging then the car keeps the charge port unlocked. And if the car is unoccupied the windows roll all the way up and then slightly back down. I always charge indoors so the charge port thing doesn t affect me and the window thing hopefully shouldn t affect me since I ve applied silicone lubricant to my window seals and that s been working just fine so far. So this is a new thing in my admittedly brief period of Tesla ownership. *I actually don t like and don t want the changes they ve made in an update.* These are hardware problems and they should have done more (or any?) cold weather testing to discover fixes for them before releasing the car. For now I can just ignore the update but that s going to get difficult in the future. As of today looks like they re starting to test 46.1. What changes that update includes remain to be seen if it s even on the same update track as 44.2. Seems like my only real option is just to break down and accept Tesla s changes. Which brings up my last point. As far as I can tell there s no way to see what version of software you ll be updating to or see the changes before you update. And I don t understand why that is. I can t say I ve ever seen this many other places in the tech world. It should tell you what version you re updating to. It would just be helpful in situations like this or if there s any other update out there in the future that s known to be causing troubles for people. Anyways thanks for reading my little vent session and I d like to know your thoughts. | eyeinthesky45 | 2018-11-28 15:33:43 | 23 | eao3e6o | (Disclosure I ve only followed this sub for about a year) This is the first time I ve ever seen people so upset about an update if once a year they mess up an update and people aren t happy about it it d say that s a pretty good ratio. It s also important to remember that they can push out another update to override the first. The changes aren t permanent. They could easily make these to be Winter Settings on the car that you could turn on and off. I m sure Tesla has heard a ton of complaints about this exact topic and its time to put it to rest. I see 2018.46.1 was just released maybe they ve already fixed this? | tynamic77 | 2018-11-28 21:24:30 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8ifuer | [Discussion] Let s talk drag and efficiency for a minute | After reading a few threads here about Wh mile and what we should be seeing I became curious about 80 degree weather and flat freeway driving. The question: is it more efficient to run the AC fan or open the windows? Full disclaimer small sample size non-scientific numbers here. I took the Model 3 and did a 50 mile route (25 miles each way) 2 times (100 miles total). 81 degree temperature no traffic cruise set at 70mph. * Run 1: AC set at 68 degrees fan set at 5: 253Wh m * Run 2: Driver and passenger windows open w AC off: 223Wh m Again completely non-scientific but i did try to control as many variables as possible. I m sure that as drag increases the delta of efficiency becomes smaller. I would love to see a full chart with MPH as the X axis to see where the two lines cross. Anyone done this? | DbG925 | 2018-05-10 15:40:18 | 18 | dyrddf0 | Make sure that you take head winds into account you may have been fighting it in one of those tests | Lyounis | 2018-05-10 15:45:47 | 7 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
82g8jp | [Discussion] Likelihood of a Model S Refresh coming in June? | I wanted to put down all the evidence for and against a Model S refresh coming in June. **Refresh Arguments** * Model S delivery times went from end of [March to June](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-delivery-delay-until-june.109004 ) overnight. Such a long gap might be used to retool the production line. * The interior is basically the same since 2012 * Someone s Model S Price was reduced by [$4 000 CAD](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 82dbjf tesla_decreased_my_model_s_price_by_4000 ). I could see them doing this if you were the last in line before the refresh (it might ease the pain of missing a refresh). * It makes sense for Tesla to time a refresh around the time the Federal Tax Credit will start to phase out. (My guess is Q3 will be the last quarter with the full tax credit) * The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. * Edit: Lots of S 100Ds were added to new [inventory](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?INTERIOR=WHITE& BATTERY=HUNDRED& ADL_OPTS=AUDIO& arrangeby=plh& zip=94016& range=0) today. It looks like mostly floor models. Does this happen every quarter or are they making room for an update? **Refresh Counterarguments** * Tesla wouldn t do a refresh while they are in [manufacturing hell](https: nypost.com 2017 12 27 tesla-may-still-be-stuck-in-model-3-manufacturing-hell ) with the Model 3 * Model 3 has also slowed down in production perhaps there s a supplier constraint and they are having suppliers focus on Model 3 parts over Model S X (thus pushing back Model S X deliveries). * Someone in a forum (can t remember where) works as a Tesla supplier and says Tesla hasn t ordered new parts which would be required for a refresh. * People have been [predicting](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-range-and-interior-update-imminent.94995 ) a refresh for a while now. * Tesla says the June delay is because of [high demand](https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog ) (no mention of refresh). * u 1st3inAZ - Tesla is playing games with the tax credit and that is what pushed production out until June. * Sales for S X are strong. Production upside is limited (120kish?). Why not use the same team to work on the Y Semi or Truck? **Personal Thoughts** I could see two parallel paths for the S in a cover and move strategy. Cover: small updates like better screen small interior tweaks etc. Move: Major redesign to allow for bigger updated batteries and lowering manufacturing costs based on the learnings from the 3 (and upcoming Y). This will allow them to have a better margin and stay ahead of the pending EV luxury flood. **Personal Prediction** Cover (constant improvement): These updates will come out every 6 months or so. This has been their current strategy. Move (complete redesign): This will be worked on after Model Y starts production (probably in parallel with the Truck design). This will maximize revenue for Tesla (get the Model 3 Y producing large numbers!) and maximize the production learnings to increase margin on the S. I ve also got a S100D scheduled for delivery at end of March. I ve got SERIOUS anxiety about a June refresh. What do you think? Did I miss any arguments? | Startup19 | 2018-03-06 16:15:58 | 104 | dv9vya4 | Think very low chance they would plan a refresh of Model S prior to getting model 3 off ground cash flow positive. Would be very poor use of capital IMO. The company stock in infinitely better place once Model 3 run rate > 5 000 week. Already selling as many X S as can produce in a quarter so no urgent business case for a refresh so close to Model 3 launch. | chrmnfthbrd | 2018-03-06 17:12:24 | 31 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82g8jp | [Discussion] Likelihood of a Model S Refresh coming in June? | I wanted to put down all the evidence for and against a Model S refresh coming in June. **Refresh Arguments** * Model S delivery times went from end of [March to June](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-delivery-delay-until-june.109004 ) overnight. Such a long gap might be used to retool the production line. * The interior is basically the same since 2012 * Someone s Model S Price was reduced by [$4 000 CAD](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 82dbjf tesla_decreased_my_model_s_price_by_4000 ). I could see them doing this if you were the last in line before the refresh (it might ease the pain of missing a refresh). * It makes sense for Tesla to time a refresh around the time the Federal Tax Credit will start to phase out. (My guess is Q3 will be the last quarter with the full tax credit) * The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. * Edit: Lots of S 100Ds were added to new [inventory](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?INTERIOR=WHITE& BATTERY=HUNDRED& ADL_OPTS=AUDIO& arrangeby=plh& zip=94016& range=0) today. It looks like mostly floor models. Does this happen every quarter or are they making room for an update? **Refresh Counterarguments** * Tesla wouldn t do a refresh while they are in [manufacturing hell](https: nypost.com 2017 12 27 tesla-may-still-be-stuck-in-model-3-manufacturing-hell ) with the Model 3 * Model 3 has also slowed down in production perhaps there s a supplier constraint and they are having suppliers focus on Model 3 parts over Model S X (thus pushing back Model S X deliveries). * Someone in a forum (can t remember where) works as a Tesla supplier and says Tesla hasn t ordered new parts which would be required for a refresh. * People have been [predicting](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-range-and-interior-update-imminent.94995 ) a refresh for a while now. * Tesla says the June delay is because of [high demand](https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog ) (no mention of refresh). * u 1st3inAZ - Tesla is playing games with the tax credit and that is what pushed production out until June. * Sales for S X are strong. Production upside is limited (120kish?). Why not use the same team to work on the Y Semi or Truck? **Personal Thoughts** I could see two parallel paths for the S in a cover and move strategy. Cover: small updates like better screen small interior tweaks etc. Move: Major redesign to allow for bigger updated batteries and lowering manufacturing costs based on the learnings from the 3 (and upcoming Y). This will allow them to have a better margin and stay ahead of the pending EV luxury flood. **Personal Prediction** Cover (constant improvement): These updates will come out every 6 months or so. This has been their current strategy. Move (complete redesign): This will be worked on after Model Y starts production (probably in parallel with the Truck design). This will maximize revenue for Tesla (get the Model 3 Y producing large numbers!) and maximize the production learnings to increase margin on the S. I ve also got a S100D scheduled for delivery at end of March. I ve got SERIOUS anxiety about a June refresh. What do you think? Did I miss any arguments? | Startup19 | 2018-03-06 16:15:58 | 104 | dv9wigy | I don t think a refresh is coming before the competition made their move. Production is limited to current levels of production- so it would make sense to focus on Model Y and Roadster. The only reason for a refresh now would be to force VW to update their PPTx and clay models to ensure their non-existent vaporware is competing with the latest Tesla... | NewAppForReddit | 2018-03-06 17:20:47 | 20 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82g8jp | [Discussion] Likelihood of a Model S Refresh coming in June? | I wanted to put down all the evidence for and against a Model S refresh coming in June. **Refresh Arguments** * Model S delivery times went from end of [March to June](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-delivery-delay-until-june.109004 ) overnight. Such a long gap might be used to retool the production line. * The interior is basically the same since 2012 * Someone s Model S Price was reduced by [$4 000 CAD](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 82dbjf tesla_decreased_my_model_s_price_by_4000 ). I could see them doing this if you were the last in line before the refresh (it might ease the pain of missing a refresh). * It makes sense for Tesla to time a refresh around the time the Federal Tax Credit will start to phase out. (My guess is Q3 will be the last quarter with the full tax credit) * The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. * Edit: Lots of S 100Ds were added to new [inventory](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?INTERIOR=WHITE& BATTERY=HUNDRED& ADL_OPTS=AUDIO& arrangeby=plh& zip=94016& range=0) today. It looks like mostly floor models. Does this happen every quarter or are they making room for an update? **Refresh Counterarguments** * Tesla wouldn t do a refresh while they are in [manufacturing hell](https: nypost.com 2017 12 27 tesla-may-still-be-stuck-in-model-3-manufacturing-hell ) with the Model 3 * Model 3 has also slowed down in production perhaps there s a supplier constraint and they are having suppliers focus on Model 3 parts over Model S X (thus pushing back Model S X deliveries). * Someone in a forum (can t remember where) works as a Tesla supplier and says Tesla hasn t ordered new parts which would be required for a refresh. * People have been [predicting](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-range-and-interior-update-imminent.94995 ) a refresh for a while now. * Tesla says the June delay is because of [high demand](https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog ) (no mention of refresh). * u 1st3inAZ - Tesla is playing games with the tax credit and that is what pushed production out until June. * Sales for S X are strong. Production upside is limited (120kish?). Why not use the same team to work on the Y Semi or Truck? **Personal Thoughts** I could see two parallel paths for the S in a cover and move strategy. Cover: small updates like better screen small interior tweaks etc. Move: Major redesign to allow for bigger updated batteries and lowering manufacturing costs based on the learnings from the 3 (and upcoming Y). This will allow them to have a better margin and stay ahead of the pending EV luxury flood. **Personal Prediction** Cover (constant improvement): These updates will come out every 6 months or so. This has been their current strategy. Move (complete redesign): This will be worked on after Model Y starts production (probably in parallel with the Truck design). This will maximize revenue for Tesla (get the Model 3 Y producing large numbers!) and maximize the production learnings to increase margin on the S. I ve also got a S100D scheduled for delivery at end of March. I ve got SERIOUS anxiety about a June refresh. What do you think? Did I miss any arguments? | Startup19 | 2018-03-06 16:15:58 | 104 | dv9vrm1 | People have been talking about a refresh being right around the corner since early last summer and demand for the current offering has done nothing but increase with only minor updates. Folks the interior is only old to people who have been in and around these cars since they were initially introduced. Most purchasers have never even seen this interior or even knew what the car is until very recently. It s kind of like a market bears eventually whether you have been saying it since 2011 or 2016 you have to be right. That crash...er uh refresh is a comin ! | XscapeVelocity | 2018-03-06 17:09:29 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82g8jp | [Discussion] Likelihood of a Model S Refresh coming in June? | I wanted to put down all the evidence for and against a Model S refresh coming in June. **Refresh Arguments** * Model S delivery times went from end of [March to June](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-delivery-delay-until-june.109004 ) overnight. Such a long gap might be used to retool the production line. * The interior is basically the same since 2012 * Someone s Model S Price was reduced by [$4 000 CAD](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 82dbjf tesla_decreased_my_model_s_price_by_4000 ). I could see them doing this if you were the last in line before the refresh (it might ease the pain of missing a refresh). * It makes sense for Tesla to time a refresh around the time the Federal Tax Credit will start to phase out. (My guess is Q3 will be the last quarter with the full tax credit) * The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. * Edit: Lots of S 100Ds were added to new [inventory](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?INTERIOR=WHITE& BATTERY=HUNDRED& ADL_OPTS=AUDIO& arrangeby=plh& zip=94016& range=0) today. It looks like mostly floor models. Does this happen every quarter or are they making room for an update? **Refresh Counterarguments** * Tesla wouldn t do a refresh while they are in [manufacturing hell](https: nypost.com 2017 12 27 tesla-may-still-be-stuck-in-model-3-manufacturing-hell ) with the Model 3 * Model 3 has also slowed down in production perhaps there s a supplier constraint and they are having suppliers focus on Model 3 parts over Model S X (thus pushing back Model S X deliveries). * Someone in a forum (can t remember where) works as a Tesla supplier and says Tesla hasn t ordered new parts which would be required for a refresh. * People have been [predicting](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-range-and-interior-update-imminent.94995 ) a refresh for a while now. * Tesla says the June delay is because of [high demand](https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog ) (no mention of refresh). * u 1st3inAZ - Tesla is playing games with the tax credit and that is what pushed production out until June. * Sales for S X are strong. Production upside is limited (120kish?). Why not use the same team to work on the Y Semi or Truck? **Personal Thoughts** I could see two parallel paths for the S in a cover and move strategy. Cover: small updates like better screen small interior tweaks etc. Move: Major redesign to allow for bigger updated batteries and lowering manufacturing costs based on the learnings from the 3 (and upcoming Y). This will allow them to have a better margin and stay ahead of the pending EV luxury flood. **Personal Prediction** Cover (constant improvement): These updates will come out every 6 months or so. This has been their current strategy. Move (complete redesign): This will be worked on after Model Y starts production (probably in parallel with the Truck design). This will maximize revenue for Tesla (get the Model 3 Y producing large numbers!) and maximize the production learnings to increase margin on the S. I ve also got a S100D scheduled for delivery at end of March. I ve got SERIOUS anxiety about a June refresh. What do you think? Did I miss any arguments? | Startup19 | 2018-03-06 16:15:58 | 104 | dva21c6 | > The interior is basically the same since 2012 I disagree. We ve had several seating changes most recently to the back seat. We ve had a couple different center consoles yacht floor. We briefly had executive rear seats and a rear center console. The materials available have changed several times too. The only thing that hasn t changed is the main dash and that s gone from plain to alcantara trimmed and back. The minimalist design doesn t leave much room to move stuff around. > To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. And the Model S has all those things you mentioned with the interior being questionable. I don t hear people talking about how awesome the adjustable headrests are in the Model 3 or how sharp and helpful the driver s binnacle screen is. Nobody ever calls the Model S s ride harsh and a base Model S beats a Model 3 LR in 0-60 and the quarter mile. The Model 3 software is missing a lot of features autopilot development is lagging and they still can t build the Model 3 in volume. **Now s not the time to make changes to the one production line they have that actually works.** | majesticjg | 2018-03-06 18:43:07 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82g8jp | [Discussion] Likelihood of a Model S Refresh coming in June? | I wanted to put down all the evidence for and against a Model S refresh coming in June. **Refresh Arguments** * Model S delivery times went from end of [March to June](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-delivery-delay-until-june.109004 ) overnight. Such a long gap might be used to retool the production line. * The interior is basically the same since 2012 * Someone s Model S Price was reduced by [$4 000 CAD](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 82dbjf tesla_decreased_my_model_s_price_by_4000 ). I could see them doing this if you were the last in line before the refresh (it might ease the pain of missing a refresh). * It makes sense for Tesla to time a refresh around the time the Federal Tax Credit will start to phase out. (My guess is Q3 will be the last quarter with the full tax credit) * The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. * Edit: Lots of S 100Ds were added to new [inventory](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?INTERIOR=WHITE& BATTERY=HUNDRED& ADL_OPTS=AUDIO& arrangeby=plh& zip=94016& range=0) today. It looks like mostly floor models. Does this happen every quarter or are they making room for an update? **Refresh Counterarguments** * Tesla wouldn t do a refresh while they are in [manufacturing hell](https: nypost.com 2017 12 27 tesla-may-still-be-stuck-in-model-3-manufacturing-hell ) with the Model 3 * Model 3 has also slowed down in production perhaps there s a supplier constraint and they are having suppliers focus on Model 3 parts over Model S X (thus pushing back Model S X deliveries). * Someone in a forum (can t remember where) works as a Tesla supplier and says Tesla hasn t ordered new parts which would be required for a refresh. * People have been [predicting](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-range-and-interior-update-imminent.94995 ) a refresh for a while now. * Tesla says the June delay is because of [high demand](https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog ) (no mention of refresh). * u 1st3inAZ - Tesla is playing games with the tax credit and that is what pushed production out until June. * Sales for S X are strong. Production upside is limited (120kish?). Why not use the same team to work on the Y Semi or Truck? **Personal Thoughts** I could see two parallel paths for the S in a cover and move strategy. Cover: small updates like better screen small interior tweaks etc. Move: Major redesign to allow for bigger updated batteries and lowering manufacturing costs based on the learnings from the 3 (and upcoming Y). This will allow them to have a better margin and stay ahead of the pending EV luxury flood. **Personal Prediction** Cover (constant improvement): These updates will come out every 6 months or so. This has been their current strategy. Move (complete redesign): This will be worked on after Model Y starts production (probably in parallel with the Truck design). This will maximize revenue for Tesla (get the Model 3 Y producing large numbers!) and maximize the production learnings to increase margin on the S. I ve also got a S100D scheduled for delivery at end of March. I ve got SERIOUS anxiety about a June refresh. What do you think? Did I miss any arguments? | Startup19 | 2018-03-06 16:15:58 | 104 | dv9t42d | > The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. The cheapest 3 you can buy today seems to be around $60k. The cheapest S is $70k. They re not very far apart on price until you start adding performance and range features to the S. The S also has a lot of software customizations much more storage customizable air suspension and many other details that set it apart from the 3. I disagree that they are too close in features. | veridicus | 2018-03-06 16:28:57 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82g8jp | [Discussion] Likelihood of a Model S Refresh coming in June? | I wanted to put down all the evidence for and against a Model S refresh coming in June. **Refresh Arguments** * Model S delivery times went from end of [March to June](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-delivery-delay-until-june.109004 ) overnight. Such a long gap might be used to retool the production line. * The interior is basically the same since 2012 * Someone s Model S Price was reduced by [$4 000 CAD](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 82dbjf tesla_decreased_my_model_s_price_by_4000 ). I could see them doing this if you were the last in line before the refresh (it might ease the pain of missing a refresh). * It makes sense for Tesla to time a refresh around the time the Federal Tax Credit will start to phase out. (My guess is Q3 will be the last quarter with the full tax credit) * The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. * Edit: Lots of S 100Ds were added to new [inventory](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?INTERIOR=WHITE& BATTERY=HUNDRED& ADL_OPTS=AUDIO& arrangeby=plh& zip=94016& range=0) today. It looks like mostly floor models. Does this happen every quarter or are they making room for an update? **Refresh Counterarguments** * Tesla wouldn t do a refresh while they are in [manufacturing hell](https: nypost.com 2017 12 27 tesla-may-still-be-stuck-in-model-3-manufacturing-hell ) with the Model 3 * Model 3 has also slowed down in production perhaps there s a supplier constraint and they are having suppliers focus on Model 3 parts over Model S X (thus pushing back Model S X deliveries). * Someone in a forum (can t remember where) works as a Tesla supplier and says Tesla hasn t ordered new parts which would be required for a refresh. * People have been [predicting](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-range-and-interior-update-imminent.94995 ) a refresh for a while now. * Tesla says the June delay is because of [high demand](https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog ) (no mention of refresh). * u 1st3inAZ - Tesla is playing games with the tax credit and that is what pushed production out until June. * Sales for S X are strong. Production upside is limited (120kish?). Why not use the same team to work on the Y Semi or Truck? **Personal Thoughts** I could see two parallel paths for the S in a cover and move strategy. Cover: small updates like better screen small interior tweaks etc. Move: Major redesign to allow for bigger updated batteries and lowering manufacturing costs based on the learnings from the 3 (and upcoming Y). This will allow them to have a better margin and stay ahead of the pending EV luxury flood. **Personal Prediction** Cover (constant improvement): These updates will come out every 6 months or so. This has been their current strategy. Move (complete redesign): This will be worked on after Model Y starts production (probably in parallel with the Truck design). This will maximize revenue for Tesla (get the Model 3 Y producing large numbers!) and maximize the production learnings to increase margin on the S. I ve also got a S100D scheduled for delivery at end of March. I ve got SERIOUS anxiety about a June refresh. What do you think? Did I miss any arguments? | Startup19 | 2018-03-06 16:15:58 | 104 | dv9vni6 | Given Elon s history of “And one more thing” like the Roadster and suborbital BFR I really think the refresh will be announced as the “one more thing” with the model Y reveal that should be coming up soon. I think it would only make sense you know you re gonna have everyone watching the reveal and it s a great way to market the refresh to everyone and get a lot of press on it. I m guessing on a Q3 reveal maybe a Q4 if Model 3 isn t ramped up soon. I can t see them launching model Y if they re still having issues with the model 3 ramp up they would be destroyed in the press and they know it. From everything we hear Model Y is probably done and ready to show as far as prototypes and this or the Tesla truck are the two models I m most interested in myself. A mass market SUV and truck is really where I think they start overtaking the other automakers not just in market cap but in number of vehicles sold. | ICBMFixer | 2018-03-06 17:07:42 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82g8jp | [Discussion] Likelihood of a Model S Refresh coming in June? | I wanted to put down all the evidence for and against a Model S refresh coming in June. **Refresh Arguments** * Model S delivery times went from end of [March to June](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-delivery-delay-until-june.109004 ) overnight. Such a long gap might be used to retool the production line. * The interior is basically the same since 2012 * Someone s Model S Price was reduced by [$4 000 CAD](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 82dbjf tesla_decreased_my_model_s_price_by_4000 ). I could see them doing this if you were the last in line before the refresh (it might ease the pain of missing a refresh). * It makes sense for Tesla to time a refresh around the time the Federal Tax Credit will start to phase out. (My guess is Q3 will be the last quarter with the full tax credit) * The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. * Edit: Lots of S 100Ds were added to new [inventory](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?INTERIOR=WHITE& BATTERY=HUNDRED& ADL_OPTS=AUDIO& arrangeby=plh& zip=94016& range=0) today. It looks like mostly floor models. Does this happen every quarter or are they making room for an update? **Refresh Counterarguments** * Tesla wouldn t do a refresh while they are in [manufacturing hell](https: nypost.com 2017 12 27 tesla-may-still-be-stuck-in-model-3-manufacturing-hell ) with the Model 3 * Model 3 has also slowed down in production perhaps there s a supplier constraint and they are having suppliers focus on Model 3 parts over Model S X (thus pushing back Model S X deliveries). * Someone in a forum (can t remember where) works as a Tesla supplier and says Tesla hasn t ordered new parts which would be required for a refresh. * People have been [predicting](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-range-and-interior-update-imminent.94995 ) a refresh for a while now. * Tesla says the June delay is because of [high demand](https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog ) (no mention of refresh). * u 1st3inAZ - Tesla is playing games with the tax credit and that is what pushed production out until June. * Sales for S X are strong. Production upside is limited (120kish?). Why not use the same team to work on the Y Semi or Truck? **Personal Thoughts** I could see two parallel paths for the S in a cover and move strategy. Cover: small updates like better screen small interior tweaks etc. Move: Major redesign to allow for bigger updated batteries and lowering manufacturing costs based on the learnings from the 3 (and upcoming Y). This will allow them to have a better margin and stay ahead of the pending EV luxury flood. **Personal Prediction** Cover (constant improvement): These updates will come out every 6 months or so. This has been their current strategy. Move (complete redesign): This will be worked on after Model Y starts production (probably in parallel with the Truck design). This will maximize revenue for Tesla (get the Model 3 Y producing large numbers!) and maximize the production learnings to increase margin on the S. I ve also got a S100D scheduled for delivery at end of March. I ve got SERIOUS anxiety about a June refresh. What do you think? Did I miss any arguments? | Startup19 | 2018-03-06 16:15:58 | 104 | dv9vzfw | I m all for a refresh as long as it comes with an option of not having the center console. The open space is so nice in my S 90D. Hate that the center consol is now standard. | gwoz8881 | 2018-03-06 17:12:53 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82g8jp | [Discussion] Likelihood of a Model S Refresh coming in June? | I wanted to put down all the evidence for and against a Model S refresh coming in June. **Refresh Arguments** * Model S delivery times went from end of [March to June](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-delivery-delay-until-june.109004 ) overnight. Such a long gap might be used to retool the production line. * The interior is basically the same since 2012 * Someone s Model S Price was reduced by [$4 000 CAD](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 82dbjf tesla_decreased_my_model_s_price_by_4000 ). I could see them doing this if you were the last in line before the refresh (it might ease the pain of missing a refresh). * It makes sense for Tesla to time a refresh around the time the Federal Tax Credit will start to phase out. (My guess is Q3 will be the last quarter with the full tax credit) * The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. * Edit: Lots of S 100Ds were added to new [inventory](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?INTERIOR=WHITE& BATTERY=HUNDRED& ADL_OPTS=AUDIO& arrangeby=plh& zip=94016& range=0) today. It looks like mostly floor models. Does this happen every quarter or are they making room for an update? **Refresh Counterarguments** * Tesla wouldn t do a refresh while they are in [manufacturing hell](https: nypost.com 2017 12 27 tesla-may-still-be-stuck-in-model-3-manufacturing-hell ) with the Model 3 * Model 3 has also slowed down in production perhaps there s a supplier constraint and they are having suppliers focus on Model 3 parts over Model S X (thus pushing back Model S X deliveries). * Someone in a forum (can t remember where) works as a Tesla supplier and says Tesla hasn t ordered new parts which would be required for a refresh. * People have been [predicting](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-range-and-interior-update-imminent.94995 ) a refresh for a while now. * Tesla says the June delay is because of [high demand](https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog ) (no mention of refresh). * u 1st3inAZ - Tesla is playing games with the tax credit and that is what pushed production out until June. * Sales for S X are strong. Production upside is limited (120kish?). Why not use the same team to work on the Y Semi or Truck? **Personal Thoughts** I could see two parallel paths for the S in a cover and move strategy. Cover: small updates like better screen small interior tweaks etc. Move: Major redesign to allow for bigger updated batteries and lowering manufacturing costs based on the learnings from the 3 (and upcoming Y). This will allow them to have a better margin and stay ahead of the pending EV luxury flood. **Personal Prediction** Cover (constant improvement): These updates will come out every 6 months or so. This has been their current strategy. Move (complete redesign): This will be worked on after Model Y starts production (probably in parallel with the Truck design). This will maximize revenue for Tesla (get the Model 3 Y producing large numbers!) and maximize the production learnings to increase margin on the S. I ve also got a S100D scheduled for delivery at end of March. I ve got SERIOUS anxiety about a June refresh. What do you think? Did I miss any arguments? | Startup19 | 2018-03-06 16:15:58 | 104 | dv9wzai | I was worried about a refresh when we ordered our Model X. In the end they updated the config page that day we were going in to buy anyway but there were no changes. All it did was save us some money (which was nice). I think once you get your car you re so excited about it that even if there s a refresh it wouldn t bother you TOO much. It s unlikely they would change the exterior since they already refreshed that. That means that most people wouldn t even know if it s pre or post change. Good luck I hope it all goes well. I know one thing you ll be happy with the car either way. | Kuipo | 2018-03-06 17:27:39 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
82g8jp | [Discussion] Likelihood of a Model S Refresh coming in June? | I wanted to put down all the evidence for and against a Model S refresh coming in June. **Refresh Arguments** * Model S delivery times went from end of [March to June](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-delivery-delay-until-june.109004 ) overnight. Such a long gap might be used to retool the production line. * The interior is basically the same since 2012 * Someone s Model S Price was reduced by [$4 000 CAD](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 82dbjf tesla_decreased_my_model_s_price_by_4000 ). I could see them doing this if you were the last in line before the refresh (it might ease the pain of missing a refresh). * It makes sense for Tesla to time a refresh around the time the Federal Tax Credit will start to phase out. (My guess is Q3 will be the last quarter with the full tax credit) * The Model 3 and S are too close in features and far apart in price. To differentiate the Model S should get a bigger battery (range) more luxurious interior quieter cabin better ride and more performance. * Edit: Lots of S 100Ds were added to new [inventory](https: www.tesla.com inventory new ms?INTERIOR=WHITE& BATTERY=HUNDRED& ADL_OPTS=AUDIO& arrangeby=plh& zip=94016& range=0) today. It looks like mostly floor models. Does this happen every quarter or are they making room for an update? **Refresh Counterarguments** * Tesla wouldn t do a refresh while they are in [manufacturing hell](https: nypost.com 2017 12 27 tesla-may-still-be-stuck-in-model-3-manufacturing-hell ) with the Model 3 * Model 3 has also slowed down in production perhaps there s a supplier constraint and they are having suppliers focus on Model 3 parts over Model S X (thus pushing back Model S X deliveries). * Someone in a forum (can t remember where) works as a Tesla supplier and says Tesla hasn t ordered new parts which would be required for a refresh. * People have been [predicting](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads model-s-range-and-interior-update-imminent.94995 ) a refresh for a while now. * Tesla says the June delay is because of [high demand](https: electrek.co 2018 02 21 tesla-delay-model-s-x-orders-demand-backlog ) (no mention of refresh). * u 1st3inAZ - Tesla is playing games with the tax credit and that is what pushed production out until June. * Sales for S X are strong. Production upside is limited (120kish?). Why not use the same team to work on the Y Semi or Truck? **Personal Thoughts** I could see two parallel paths for the S in a cover and move strategy. Cover: small updates like better screen small interior tweaks etc. Move: Major redesign to allow for bigger updated batteries and lowering manufacturing costs based on the learnings from the 3 (and upcoming Y). This will allow them to have a better margin and stay ahead of the pending EV luxury flood. **Personal Prediction** Cover (constant improvement): These updates will come out every 6 months or so. This has been their current strategy. Move (complete redesign): This will be worked on after Model Y starts production (probably in parallel with the Truck design). This will maximize revenue for Tesla (get the Model 3 Y producing large numbers!) and maximize the production learnings to increase margin on the S. I ve also got a S100D scheduled for delivery at end of March. I ve got SERIOUS anxiety about a June refresh. What do you think? Did I miss any arguments? | Startup19 | 2018-03-06 16:15:58 | 104 | dva552g | You should add that a flood of inventory cars just got posted today. Mostly 100D s. | skitch23 | 2018-03-06 19:30:10 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
97fne5 | [Discussion] Loaded Model 3 or Loaded S75D?? | Okay so I am currently looking at making the plunge and purchasing a Tesla for myself. But I have reached an interesting price point comparison. If this has been asked before I m sorry. The (nearly) fully loaded Model 3 performance dual motor enhanced autopilot and full self driving comes to $77 000 total according to the Tesla site. (so not paying for premium interior) A Model S75D with enhanced autopilot and full self driving plus all the premium interior features (audio seats subzero) comes to $88 300. In your opinion if you own one or both or neither I m looking for a broad scope here is the $11k extra worth the S over the 3? I do not have any children but often drive adult friends. My daily driving is short enough that range is not a concern. I am not reasonably close enough to a supercharger to make it a frequent charging option so free supercharging is not a huge incentive (though it would be nice on roadtrips). I am financially secure with either choice but I am wondering if the cost difference is worth the difference in car. Lastly I wasn t sure if this question was more appropriate here or lounge so I tried both. If that is not the right thing then just let me know and I ll take the appropriate one down. Thanks for your time! | Kaiju62 | 2018-08-15 05:12:37 | 12 | e47v0zc | It s personal preference. Drive both. Small nimble awesome handling street fighter vs more space in a highway cruiser. Either car is fantastic. | lmaccaro | 2018-08-15 05:21:32 | 14 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
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