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jcc8fy | [Discussion] How much would you pay for an OEM power trunk retro fit for the Model 3 from Tesla | I wanted to get a discussion going about how much people would be willing to pay for an OEM power trunk retrofit for the Model 3 if that option ever happens seeing as it is on the new model if. I m hesitant to buy the Hansshow one for ~$700 installed because it s not OEM and I don t want warranty issues. But I m also not sure I would pay more than $700 from Tesla installed. I m Interested to see what this community thinks. | monkeybusiness124 | 2020-10-16 15:47:26 | 51 | g90gct9 | I d pay $500 but not much more. I doubt Tesla would sell for that price as it s a pretty extensive retrofit. | Packerfan735 | 2020-10-16 15:49:57 | 22 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
jcc8fy | [Discussion] How much would you pay for an OEM power trunk retro fit for the Model 3 from Tesla | I wanted to get a discussion going about how much people would be willing to pay for an OEM power trunk retrofit for the Model 3 if that option ever happens seeing as it is on the new model if. I m hesitant to buy the Hansshow one for ~$700 installed because it s not OEM and I don t want warranty issues. But I m also not sure I would pay more than $700 from Tesla installed. I m Interested to see what this community thinks. | monkeybusiness124 | 2020-10-16 15:47:26 | 51 | g90iypj | never happened for the S so I d be pretty shocked if they did it for the 3 | caz0 | 2020-10-16 16:11:37 | 10 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
jcc8fy | [Discussion] How much would you pay for an OEM power trunk retro fit for the Model 3 from Tesla | I wanted to get a discussion going about how much people would be willing to pay for an OEM power trunk retrofit for the Model 3 if that option ever happens seeing as it is on the new model if. I m hesitant to buy the Hansshow one for ~$700 installed because it s not OEM and I don t want warranty issues. But I m also not sure I would pay more than $700 from Tesla installed. I m Interested to see what this community thinks. | monkeybusiness124 | 2020-10-16 15:47:26 | 51 | g90gpj0 | I think about $500 would be a buy from me but if it s a tricky install (if lots of body panels need to be removed wires routed etc) I could see Tesla charging around $1 000 (if a retrofit is ever offered). I m similarly concerned with aftermarket accessories (especially if they aren t guaranteed to play nice with the firmware for the foreseeable future). | mishengda | 2020-10-16 15:52:43 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
jcc8fy | [Discussion] How much would you pay for an OEM power trunk retro fit for the Model 3 from Tesla | I wanted to get a discussion going about how much people would be willing to pay for an OEM power trunk retrofit for the Model 3 if that option ever happens seeing as it is on the new model if. I m hesitant to buy the Hansshow one for ~$700 installed because it s not OEM and I don t want warranty issues. But I m also not sure I would pay more than $700 from Tesla installed. I m Interested to see what this community thinks. | monkeybusiness124 | 2020-10-16 15:47:26 | 51 | g90lvt6 | I paid $500 just for the parts directly from Hong Kong when it first came out. I think there s cheaper kits out now but the retrofit is labor intensive and Tesla s hourly rate is absurd. If they were going to offer it I d say it would be $1 500-$2 000. | TheKobayashiMoron | 2020-10-16 16:35:56 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
jcc8fy | [Discussion] How much would you pay for an OEM power trunk retro fit for the Model 3 from Tesla | I wanted to get a discussion going about how much people would be willing to pay for an OEM power trunk retrofit for the Model 3 if that option ever happens seeing as it is on the new model if. I m hesitant to buy the Hansshow one for ~$700 installed because it s not OEM and I don t want warranty issues. But I m also not sure I would pay more than $700 from Tesla installed. I m Interested to see what this community thinks. | monkeybusiness124 | 2020-10-16 15:47:26 | 51 | g913hwf | I would happily pay Tesla $1k for power trunk retrofit. | brandude87 | 2020-10-16 19:03:22 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8v9r0d | [Discussion] How often do you use auto park and summon? | I ve heard summon referred to as a party trick . Auto park for parallel parking seems really useful but what about for normal parking spots? Do you use auto park often? | jarmenia | 2018-07-01 13:04:23 | 25 | e1ls5fw | I use auto-park as often as I can. I wish it would be better about identifying parking spots because it s only available half the time or less. Summon - all the time. People that say it s a party trick have no imagination. I use it to pull out of my garage to wash the car (and put it back). I use it to nudge my car forward or backward in a public parallel parking spot when I am off by a little bit. I use it at the car wash sprayer place to pull forward out of the bay (without getting in) to dry the car. So many ways to use summon that doesn t change your life. It just makes it really convenient. | ic6man | 2018-07-01 15:06:14 | 15 | Smart Summon Limitations |
8v9r0d | [Discussion] How often do you use auto park and summon? | I ve heard summon referred to as a party trick . Auto park for parallel parking seems really useful but what about for normal parking spots? Do you use auto park often? | jarmenia | 2018-07-01 13:04:23 | 25 | e1lm86c | I always summon a fire atronach before a fight it makes things easier specially on earlier levels. I don t know that auto park spell though. Is it from a mod? | LordGuille | 2018-07-01 13:06:49 | 8 | Smart Summon Limitations |
8v9r0d | [Discussion] How often do you use auto park and summon? | I ve heard summon referred to as a party trick . Auto park for parallel parking seems really useful but what about for normal parking spots? Do you use auto park often? | jarmenia | 2018-07-01 13:04:23 | 25 | e1lmdaq | I ve used auto parallel park once and it worked great. The back in park I tried once and it was just too slow compared to doing it myself. Just got summon on my 3 and have a feeling it will just be a party trick when I get it to work. For some reason it seems to work over LTE instead of Bluetooth even though you need to be close to car to use it. | dizzy113 | 2018-07-01 13:10:12 | 8 | Smart Summon Limitations |
8v9r0d | [Discussion] How often do you use auto park and summon? | I ve heard summon referred to as a party trick . Auto park for parallel parking seems really useful but what about for normal parking spots? Do you use auto park often? | jarmenia | 2018-07-01 13:04:23 | 25 | e1lnk84 | I use summon when applying tire dressing so I can get to the bottom of the tire. I typically use auto park about once a week when parallel parking in the town | navinsiri | 2018-07-01 13:37:25 | 7 | Smart Summon Limitations |
8v9r0d | [Discussion] How often do you use auto park and summon? | I ve heard summon referred to as a party trick . Auto park for parallel parking seems really useful but what about for normal parking spots? Do you use auto park often? | jarmenia | 2018-07-01 13:04:23 | 25 | e1lmxfn | I try Autopark every once in a while to keep up with how it s improving and to find techniques to speed them up. I m trying to learn how to start them from a position which reduces the number of back and forths. I ve had several instances where it works faster better than me but that s still a smallish minority of the time. | jpbeans | 2018-07-01 13:23:27 | 6 | Smart Summon Limitations |
8v9r0d | [Discussion] How often do you use auto park and summon? | I ve heard summon referred to as a party trick . Auto park for parallel parking seems really useful but what about for normal parking spots? Do you use auto park often? | jarmenia | 2018-07-01 13:04:23 | 25 | e1lpopf | I ve never been able to use auto park - the little P symbol has flashed once or twice for me and then disappears. There s no indication in the owners guide that Autopark is supposed to work in parking lots (instructions are only for when you re on a public road) so who knows. So that s a non-feature for my Model 3. No summon available for me yet if it can navigate turns in driveways I will use it when I m mowing the lawn (I move my car to different spots to avoid grass clippings) but I don t think it will be that smart. | rnelsonee | 2018-07-01 14:21:33 | 5 | Smart Summon Limitations |
8vx5iw | [Discussion] How realistic do we think the 3-5 month current timeframe for AWD models is? | I know there s no real way to predict it but how many of you think you will see your AWD Model 3 before we hit January 2019? I m talking 1st day line waiters who ordered one all the way to someone who only put down $1000 yesterday and is configuring today (but still has the 3-5 mo timeframe listed). | cekmj | 2018-07-04 00:07:53 | 41 | e1r2y68 | 3 months maybe 6 months definitely. But seriously I want to know too having reserved an AWD. | DustyContempt | 2018-07-04 00:42:03 | 8 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8vx5iw | [Discussion] How realistic do we think the 3-5 month current timeframe for AWD models is? | I know there s no real way to predict it but how many of you think you will see your AWD Model 3 before we hit January 2019? I m talking 1st day line waiters who ordered one all the way to someone who only put down $1000 yesterday and is configuring today (but still has the 3-5 mo timeframe listed). | cekmj | 2018-07-04 00:07:53 | 41 | e1r2k1y | It s Elon time so probably double it. | Kinvelo | 2018-07-04 00:34:52 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8vx5iw | [Discussion] How realistic do we think the 3-5 month current timeframe for AWD models is? | I know there s no real way to predict it but how many of you think you will see your AWD Model 3 before we hit January 2019? I m talking 1st day line waiters who ordered one all the way to someone who only put down $1000 yesterday and is configuring today (but still has the 3-5 mo timeframe listed). | cekmj | 2018-07-04 00:07:53 | 41 | e1r3yhg | Configured AWD on 5 23 and at that time the estimate was 12-16 weeks which put my delivery range anywhere from mid-August to mid-September. Considering that my config was well before the big rush at the end of June I still think that sometime in September is a realistic expectation. | thatguy142 | 2018-07-04 00:59:54 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8vx5iw | [Discussion] How realistic do we think the 3-5 month current timeframe for AWD models is? | I know there s no real way to predict it but how many of you think you will see your AWD Model 3 before we hit January 2019? I m talking 1st day line waiters who ordered one all the way to someone who only put down $1000 yesterday and is configuring today (but still has the 3-5 mo timeframe listed). | cekmj | 2018-07-04 00:07:53 | 41 | e1r41cb | I d say extremely likely since they have to get the P AWD line up soon anywyas. They are not going to switch that to RWD after the fact. My guess is there are about 30k orders overall to fulfill right now in NA. 2k PAWD 12k AWD and 16k RWD. Complete guess but I think orders will start getting fulfilled in AUG. I think the timelines are conservative based on what we have seen with RWD deliveries so far. | Nuzlbuny | 2018-07-04 01:01:16 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8s94gr | [Discussion] How should I jack up my Model 3 if I want to do a wheel change? Which floor jack jack stands? | The Model 3 has really small jack points: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads jack-points.102793 I want to change my own tires and whatnot but due to the small jack points I don t know how best to do this. Obviously messing this up can puncture the battery liner so I don t want to make mistakes. For the actual floor jack to get it off the ground would something like this work? https: www.amazon.com Pro-Lift-F-767-Profile-Floor dp B00BG6IJA0 I would use a hockey puck on the contact point to better disperse weight. Most jack stands look something like this: https: www.amazon.com Torin-Big-Steel-Jack-Stands dp B00026Z3E0 ref=sr_1_2_sspa where they re supposed to go on the the pinch weld point under the car but the Model 3 doesn t have that. What kind should I be getting? You can get an adapter like this: https: www.ebay.com itm 142709055354 but with a cost of $50 x 4 $200 in adapters to lift the car up is a bit much. So what would you do if you had to go out and buy a floor jack and jack stands? Please don t say I would take it to my local mechanic because there s almost no Teslas in my small city and I d be equally afraid of a lazy mechanic not paying attention and puncturing the battery. I ve read horror stories. And dumb question but can I just jack up the very front back of the car where it s grey in the above diagram rather than having to use the jack points? | canucktesladude | 2018-06-19 14:05:37 | 53 | e0xkbn3 | Several beers deep I told u garthreddit that I d post a youtube video once I figured it out. I just got the adapters in so I m hoping to get it done sometime this week or this weekend. | zxn11 | 2018-06-19 15:09:43 | 11 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
8s94gr | [Discussion] How should I jack up my Model 3 if I want to do a wheel change? Which floor jack jack stands? | The Model 3 has really small jack points: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads jack-points.102793 I want to change my own tires and whatnot but due to the small jack points I don t know how best to do this. Obviously messing this up can puncture the battery liner so I don t want to make mistakes. For the actual floor jack to get it off the ground would something like this work? https: www.amazon.com Pro-Lift-F-767-Profile-Floor dp B00BG6IJA0 I would use a hockey puck on the contact point to better disperse weight. Most jack stands look something like this: https: www.amazon.com Torin-Big-Steel-Jack-Stands dp B00026Z3E0 ref=sr_1_2_sspa where they re supposed to go on the the pinch weld point under the car but the Model 3 doesn t have that. What kind should I be getting? You can get an adapter like this: https: www.ebay.com itm 142709055354 but with a cost of $50 x 4 $200 in adapters to lift the car up is a bit much. So what would you do if you had to go out and buy a floor jack and jack stands? Please don t say I would take it to my local mechanic because there s almost no Teslas in my small city and I d be equally afraid of a lazy mechanic not paying attention and puncturing the battery. I ve read horror stories. And dumb question but can I just jack up the very front back of the car where it s grey in the above diagram rather than having to use the jack points? | canucktesladude | 2018-06-19 14:05:37 | 53 | e0xhx1y | Swapping wheels in the spring and fall is fairly easy and something I ve done for years. Often less than an hour in your driveway. All you need is a floor jack ($50 at Harbor Freight) and some vehicles like Tesla need a jack adapter like this: [https: www.reverselogic.us shop.html#! Jack-Pad-for-Tesla-Model-3 p 102248217 ](https: www.reverselogic.us shop.html#! Jack-Pad-for-Tesla-Model-3 p 102248217 ) You only need to do one wheel at at a time if you are switching between two sets of wheels. You would need two of everything to jack up a whole side if you were rotating tires between front and back. | jwardell | 2018-06-19 14:34:11 | 10 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
8s94gr | [Discussion] How should I jack up my Model 3 if I want to do a wheel change? Which floor jack jack stands? | The Model 3 has really small jack points: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads jack-points.102793 I want to change my own tires and whatnot but due to the small jack points I don t know how best to do this. Obviously messing this up can puncture the battery liner so I don t want to make mistakes. For the actual floor jack to get it off the ground would something like this work? https: www.amazon.com Pro-Lift-F-767-Profile-Floor dp B00BG6IJA0 I would use a hockey puck on the contact point to better disperse weight. Most jack stands look something like this: https: www.amazon.com Torin-Big-Steel-Jack-Stands dp B00026Z3E0 ref=sr_1_2_sspa where they re supposed to go on the the pinch weld point under the car but the Model 3 doesn t have that. What kind should I be getting? You can get an adapter like this: https: www.ebay.com itm 142709055354 but with a cost of $50 x 4 $200 in adapters to lift the car up is a bit much. So what would you do if you had to go out and buy a floor jack and jack stands? Please don t say I would take it to my local mechanic because there s almost no Teslas in my small city and I d be equally afraid of a lazy mechanic not paying attention and puncturing the battery. I ve read horror stories. And dumb question but can I just jack up the very front back of the car where it s grey in the above diagram rather than having to use the jack points? | canucktesladude | 2018-06-19 14:05:37 | 53 | e0xppk6 | Buy 2 jack point adapters. The Model 3 jack points are 5 feet apart so you can t use a jack beam to lift both. Instead buy a second $79 jack from Harbor Freight. Chock the opposite wheels lift one side with two jacks. Swap the wheels. Lower. Chock. Lift other side swap. Don t skip the chock part. | jpbeans | 2018-06-19 16:24:55 | 9 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
8s94gr | [Discussion] How should I jack up my Model 3 if I want to do a wheel change? Which floor jack jack stands? | The Model 3 has really small jack points: https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads jack-points.102793 I want to change my own tires and whatnot but due to the small jack points I don t know how best to do this. Obviously messing this up can puncture the battery liner so I don t want to make mistakes. For the actual floor jack to get it off the ground would something like this work? https: www.amazon.com Pro-Lift-F-767-Profile-Floor dp B00BG6IJA0 I would use a hockey puck on the contact point to better disperse weight. Most jack stands look something like this: https: www.amazon.com Torin-Big-Steel-Jack-Stands dp B00026Z3E0 ref=sr_1_2_sspa where they re supposed to go on the the pinch weld point under the car but the Model 3 doesn t have that. What kind should I be getting? You can get an adapter like this: https: www.ebay.com itm 142709055354 but with a cost of $50 x 4 $200 in adapters to lift the car up is a bit much. So what would you do if you had to go out and buy a floor jack and jack stands? Please don t say I would take it to my local mechanic because there s almost no Teslas in my small city and I d be equally afraid of a lazy mechanic not paying attention and puncturing the battery. I ve read horror stories. And dumb question but can I just jack up the very front back of the car where it s grey in the above diagram rather than having to use the jack points? | canucktesladude | 2018-06-19 14:05:37 | 53 | e0xpgf9 | It is actually a bit more expensive that the adapters but Jackpoint jackstands are the best solution. I believe that they sell a version with the Tesla adapters built into them so you would not have to purchase the adapter separately. https: www.youtube.com watch?v=bgsZmjkPCM0 | Bozi_ | 2018-06-19 16:21:41 | 6 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
8vmotr | [Discussion] How should we replace the gas tax to maintain our roads with the proliferation of electric cars? | I was just thinking right now one reason EV s have such low operating costs is that they currently do not pay taxes on the fuel to maintain the roads and how to address that. Right now the national average is $0.30 per gallon which is a substantial amount. Obviously this will have to be rectified in the future as electric cars become more and more common to prevent punishing lower income people that can not afford electric cars in the foreseeable future. My thoughts are the fairest way is to have it be part of a cars annual registration fee with a multiplier for how many miles and how heavy the vehicle is. I figure this is the fairest way since most people are going to charge at home and I don t think anyone wants their whole electric bill modified for having an electric car. Right now I d consider the gas tax about the fairest tax in the country those that drive big heavy vehicles that do more damage to the road pay more than a light efficient car even at the same mileage per year and would look to keep an electric gas tax about the same. Anyone have any thoughts? | 2People1Cat | 2018-07-02 22:00:35 | 21 | e1oldo2 | Many places are adding an EV tax on the registration. One thing that needs to be understood is that not all the tax that s supposed to go to roads actually goes to roads it s actually a small percentage. Many local governments divert funds to other things unrelated to roads and usually roads suffer as a result. | croninsiglos | 2018-07-02 22:07:25 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8vmotr | [Discussion] How should we replace the gas tax to maintain our roads with the proliferation of electric cars? | I was just thinking right now one reason EV s have such low operating costs is that they currently do not pay taxes on the fuel to maintain the roads and how to address that. Right now the national average is $0.30 per gallon which is a substantial amount. Obviously this will have to be rectified in the future as electric cars become more and more common to prevent punishing lower income people that can not afford electric cars in the foreseeable future. My thoughts are the fairest way is to have it be part of a cars annual registration fee with a multiplier for how many miles and how heavy the vehicle is. I figure this is the fairest way since most people are going to charge at home and I don t think anyone wants their whole electric bill modified for having an electric car. Right now I d consider the gas tax about the fairest tax in the country those that drive big heavy vehicles that do more damage to the road pay more than a light efficient car even at the same mileage per year and would look to keep an electric gas tax about the same. Anyone have any thoughts? | 2People1Cat | 2018-07-02 22:00:35 | 21 | e1ollvr | Tolls. Gas tax is already way low anyhow. | GoodOmens | 2018-07-02 22:10:32 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8vmotr | [Discussion] How should we replace the gas tax to maintain our roads with the proliferation of electric cars? | I was just thinking right now one reason EV s have such low operating costs is that they currently do not pay taxes on the fuel to maintain the roads and how to address that. Right now the national average is $0.30 per gallon which is a substantial amount. Obviously this will have to be rectified in the future as electric cars become more and more common to prevent punishing lower income people that can not afford electric cars in the foreseeable future. My thoughts are the fairest way is to have it be part of a cars annual registration fee with a multiplier for how many miles and how heavy the vehicle is. I figure this is the fairest way since most people are going to charge at home and I don t think anyone wants their whole electric bill modified for having an electric car. Right now I d consider the gas tax about the fairest tax in the country those that drive big heavy vehicles that do more damage to the road pay more than a light efficient car even at the same mileage per year and would look to keep an electric gas tax about the same. Anyone have any thoughts? | 2People1Cat | 2018-07-02 22:00:35 | 21 | e1olzpo | The gas tax needs to be a Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT) tax for everyone. Right now the gas tax is a bit regressive due to the fact that poorer people who can only afford less efficient cars are paying more than their fair share. A VMT tax is completely fair in that your use on the road directly correlates to a tax. I d like to see weight be taken into account but if done fairly none of us would pay taxes and trucks would pay it all. We d all pay it in higher product prices though. Maybe that would encourage more local production ... idk. | IwantaModel3 | 2018-07-02 22:15:52 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
85n0ys | [Discussion] How will Uber s self driving car killing someone affect Tesla s development to fully self driving? | Uber pulled all of their self driving cars off the road (I assume temporarily) because of the accident. Apparently a lady was jay-walking at night and got hit and died. It s unclear at the moment if the accident was preventable or not. I assume this will set back Uber a ton in terms of collecting data (from pulling all their cars off the road) will probably lower their imminent IPO price and will receive massive backlash from a group of people. Is it possible that Tesla can benefit from this in any way or will this only set back the self driving industry as a whole? | smallatom | 2018-03-19 21:01:24 | 56 | dvym1tw | Probably just set back the industry. Why did Uber even push that forward is beyond me. Tesla s been advanced enough and they keep insisting it s *assisted* driving not self-driving (especially after someone won a Darwin Award by ignoring the road while their Tesla rammed into a semi). | [deleted] | 2018-03-19 21:15:09 | 21 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
85n0ys | [Discussion] How will Uber s self driving car killing someone affect Tesla s development to fully self driving? | Uber pulled all of their self driving cars off the road (I assume temporarily) because of the accident. Apparently a lady was jay-walking at night and got hit and died. It s unclear at the moment if the accident was preventable or not. I assume this will set back Uber a ton in terms of collecting data (from pulling all their cars off the road) will probably lower their imminent IPO price and will receive massive backlash from a group of people. Is it possible that Tesla can benefit from this in any way or will this only set back the self driving industry as a whole? | smallatom | 2018-03-19 21:01:24 | 56 | dvylyc6 | What are the chances she would have been struck by a human driver in the exact same scenario is the question that will determine the effects of this report. The fact that the story dropped in sync across all news outlets kind of smells of a PR ploy but thats the cynic in me talking. I want to ask how many people were struck and killed by human drivers this weekend but that question certainly isn t fair. | theloudestlion | 2018-03-19 21:13:32 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
85n0ys | [Discussion] How will Uber s self driving car killing someone affect Tesla s development to fully self driving? | Uber pulled all of their self driving cars off the road (I assume temporarily) because of the accident. Apparently a lady was jay-walking at night and got hit and died. It s unclear at the moment if the accident was preventable or not. I assume this will set back Uber a ton in terms of collecting data (from pulling all their cars off the road) will probably lower their imminent IPO price and will receive massive backlash from a group of people. Is it possible that Tesla can benefit from this in any way or will this only set back the self driving industry as a whole? | smallatom | 2018-03-19 21:01:24 | 56 | dvypowe | It seems to me that Tesla s method will be to avoid this in two ways: 1) Always always always reiterate that the driver is responsible and must pay attention until... 2) They have enough data through shadow mode or otherwise that they are statistically safer. If and it will most likely happen so I could say when a Tesla does something similar they will be able to point back to the data and say We re statistically safer oh and here are actual videos with evidence of time when the car reacted faster than the human in shadow mode and would have prevented a crash but wasn t in charge. Edit: a few words. | paulloewen | 2018-03-19 22:15:10 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
85n0ys | [Discussion] How will Uber s self driving car killing someone affect Tesla s development to fully self driving? | Uber pulled all of their self driving cars off the road (I assume temporarily) because of the accident. Apparently a lady was jay-walking at night and got hit and died. It s unclear at the moment if the accident was preventable or not. I assume this will set back Uber a ton in terms of collecting data (from pulling all their cars off the road) will probably lower their imminent IPO price and will receive massive backlash from a group of people. Is it possible that Tesla can benefit from this in any way or will this only set back the self driving industry as a whole? | smallatom | 2018-03-19 21:01:24 | 56 | dvymd47 | Legally it *shouldn t* have an affect since there was a driver. | hkibad | 2018-03-19 21:20:15 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
85n0ys | [Discussion] How will Uber s self driving car killing someone affect Tesla s development to fully self driving? | Uber pulled all of their self driving cars off the road (I assume temporarily) because of the accident. Apparently a lady was jay-walking at night and got hit and died. It s unclear at the moment if the accident was preventable or not. I assume this will set back Uber a ton in terms of collecting data (from pulling all their cars off the road) will probably lower their imminent IPO price and will receive massive backlash from a group of people. Is it possible that Tesla can benefit from this in any way or will this only set back the self driving industry as a whole? | smallatom | 2018-03-19 21:01:24 | 56 | dvypsxo | It s certainly going to reinforce the fact that it s software not hardware that makes a good self-driving car. I m sure the pedestrian got painted by more than one LIDAR but the car didn t stop. Be interesting to see in the logs what it thought she was and why it thought it was okay to drive through her. | jpbeans | 2018-03-19 22:17:05 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8j4ni9 | [Discussion] I am getting a Model 3 my city has a bunch of these chargers everywhere so I m quite excited. What are they and do they work with Model 3? | Here s a picture I took of each there is one of each at each charger: https: imgur.com a MWkOaj2 What are they and can I charge my Model 3? We have no super chargers | canucktesladude | 2018-05-13 15:45:31 | 14 | dyww4oh | The first image is a CCS charger the second a CHAdeMO charger. Both are L3 (most likely 50Kw). AFAIK there s no supported connector yet for a Model 3. Edit: Tesla has a CHAdeMO adapter but if I understand it correctly the Model 3 is not (yet) supported. At least... that was the case a few weeks ago I could be wrong on this one. | huppie | 2018-05-13 15:53:03 | 12 | Tesla Model Travel Experiences |
7woloy | [Discussion] I attended The Boring Company s Culver City Presentation. I m concerned about its ability to win public trust. (x-post from r technology) | I attended the Boring Company s January 22 presentation to the City Council of the City of Culver City (this is legitimately how they refer to themselves) where they pitched their plan to burrow underneath the town as part of their “Phase 1” 6.5 mile tunnel. I went with the intention to simply gather information for my podcast and left with the sinking feeling that the company is biting off more than it can chew. The Boring Company presenters themselves were competent capable and as well-prepared as I imagine they could have been considering the circumstances. (I ll get to that in a bit.) My two main takeaways from that City Council meeting were: **1.)** There s a vast difference between selling private goods and winning public trust **2.)** Any company will struggle to succeed when their CEO (by his own admission) dedicates 2 or 3 percent of his time to it. Let s backup and discuss how the Council meeting went before The Boring Company gave their presentation and fielded questions. It shines a light on how much of public work is a slow grind of competing interests and a stark contrast to the move fast and break things mentality of many technology companies. A Boy Scout was invited to the front of the room to lead all of us in the Pledge of Allegiance. And after Vice Mayor Thomas Small discussed the upcoming Kindness Week at Culver City Middle School eight residents were each given two minutes to speak on their chosen topic. (I m not sure how these eight were chosen specifically.) A selection: One man complained about Film LA s (the organization that oversees film permits in the Los Angeles area) abuse of Culver City parking. He was quite emotional and infuriated. Another speaker - a poet - read a couple poems she had written one comparing Congresspeople to Baboons. Yet another discussed permitting requests for proposed cannabis retail stores. An elderly man *demanded* the city repair and maintain stop lights. It must have struck a nerve because about half the room applauded when he finished. After the eight speakers had each had their say Boring Company s Operations Coordinator Jehn Balajadia gave her presentation. She touched on many of the points available at [The Boring Company s FAQ](https: www.boringcompany.com faq ). More importantly I want to discuss the response from the Council and the public. After Balajadia ended her initial 10 minute presentation five pre-selected Culver City residents came up to ask their questions. 1.) Marleen Pugach said she didn t want experimental tunnels dug under her neighborhood which she said is “under seige” 2.) Judi Sherman had questions about community impact 3.) Ken Mand was a champion of the tunnel and its technology but had important questions about its ultimate effect on the city s residents. 4.) Daniel Lee was excited to see the presentation. But he wanted the city to strongly take into account the proposed access points for entering and exiting the tunnel. Also he was concerned about the small size of the pods and wished they held more people. He also wanted to encourage local hire within LA and explicitly Culver City. 5.) Alex Fish said that although Boring Company was not asking for public cash they were in effect asking for capital via access to public land that could be used for other means. He had concerns that - if the company were to dissolve - who would be left holding the bag to guard the tunnel and its access points? City Councilwoman Meghan Sahli-Wells was the most critical of the five Council Members and not without reason. Her questions were pointed and she took issue with comments Musk had made about public transit in December when he said “It s a pain in the ass. That s why everyone doesn t like it. And there s like a bunch of random strangers one of who might be a serial killer. Sahli-Wells wasn t sure if someone (from her POV) as openly hostile to public projects as Musk was the right person to be leading one. And - taking off my Musk Fanboy Hat - can you blame her? A **self-admitted** side project famous for selling hats and [flamethrowers](https: www.instagram.com p BeeYW0NA1HU ) wants to use land underneath your city. And many of your constituents - the ones you represent - are vocally wary or even hostile to the idea. What would you do? How would you feel? Sahli-Wells followed up with “It looks super sexy and super easy but it s half baked. It s half baked from a public perspective.” And simply based on how Boring reps handled the presentation and ensuing Q & A she wasn t wrong. The employees seemed underprepared to face anything resembling hostility. Which brings me back to my original two points: **1.)** There s a vast difference between selling private goods and winning public trust I doubt a Culver City Council meeting had ever been that packed. Nearly every seat was taken and there were two dozen people standing in the back of the room. And there were a LOT of Pro-Musk folks there (myself included). And it was enlightening to see how Musk loyalists would react to certain questions posed by the Council public and how regular people would react. I think it s a bit akin to watching all of the Harry Potter films AFTER you ve already read the books. Your mind invisibly subconsciously fills in a lot of gaps to the point where you don t even recognize they exist. But there s a vast difference between the relationship that exists between a private company and a prospective buyer and a private company and the larger public. And it all boils down to: Consent. It s the important distinction between consciously buying a U2 album vs [having it automatically installed on your phone](https: gigaom.com 2014 09 10 u2-on-my-phone). When you walk into a Tesla store you make the conscious choice to enter. You re already signaling *some* level of interest to the company by simply walking through the door. That signaling then ratchets up and down based on your actions - are you engaging with an employee in the showroom? Are you asking questions? Or are you turning around and immediately walking out? You d be hard pressed to find a Tesla store chockfull of people who don t **actively** want to be there. If you do somehow encounter this scenario: Call the police because we ve got a hostage situation. A public private partnership is an entirely different beast. Instead of members of the public coming to *you* (The Company) and entering *your* space you are pitching begging bribing goading forcing your way into *their* space. Suddenly instead of a scenario in which 100% of the people you re interacting with agree to the interaction you re fighting tooth and nail to claw your way to 50.1%. And The Boring Company representatives weren t equipped to do that. Which brings me to - **2.)** Any company will struggle to succeed when their CEO (by his own admission) dedicates 2 or 3 percent of his time to it. Elon has publicly said that after he spends most of his time as the CEO of SpaceX and Tesla 2-3% of his time is spent on The Boring Company. And it showed that night. I m incredibly sympathetic to the employees who were tasked with presenting the proposal to a not entirely supportive public but they were in many ways underprepared. And who can blame them? When a boss is running one company intent on disrupting the automobile industry and another on revolutionizing space travel how much time every day does he spare the employees giving 100% of their time to his 3% side project? A CEO fully 100% invested in Boring Company would have been felt in that presentation. Musk wasn t. What s so frustrating about all of this is that the more I learn and understand about The Boring Company s proposals the more I examine it from a [First Principles perspective](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=NV3sBlRgzTI) the more excited I get about its mission. As someone who teared up as the Falcon Heavy Stage 1 boosters landed in-sync on their landing pads who has been waiting since March 31 2016 for a Model 3... I believe the best way for The Boring Company to succeed in its mission to revolutionize public transportation is for Musk to hand over the CEO reins to someone else. | FUTURESPEAKshow | 2018-02-10 22:08:00 | 240 | du262y1 | > The employees seemed underprepared to face anything resembling hostility. I m a tech guy who spends a LOT of time with elected officials and that world in general. Lots and lots of experience with it. It s a big concerning to see you say that...it s a fact of life that a private company could come to a council meeting literally offering them a cure for cancer and an elixir for immortality and the response would include a lot of hostility . That s just a fundamental reality of playing in this space. I m genuinely surprised Tesla would be that poorly prepared. > As someone who teared up as the Falcon Heavy Stage 1 boosters landed in-sync on their landing pads That was AWESOME. I m with ya on the tears... | PSMF_Canuck | 2018-02-11 00:56:19 | 50 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7woloy | [Discussion] I attended The Boring Company s Culver City Presentation. I m concerned about its ability to win public trust. (x-post from r technology) | I attended the Boring Company s January 22 presentation to the City Council of the City of Culver City (this is legitimately how they refer to themselves) where they pitched their plan to burrow underneath the town as part of their “Phase 1” 6.5 mile tunnel. I went with the intention to simply gather information for my podcast and left with the sinking feeling that the company is biting off more than it can chew. The Boring Company presenters themselves were competent capable and as well-prepared as I imagine they could have been considering the circumstances. (I ll get to that in a bit.) My two main takeaways from that City Council meeting were: **1.)** There s a vast difference between selling private goods and winning public trust **2.)** Any company will struggle to succeed when their CEO (by his own admission) dedicates 2 or 3 percent of his time to it. Let s backup and discuss how the Council meeting went before The Boring Company gave their presentation and fielded questions. It shines a light on how much of public work is a slow grind of competing interests and a stark contrast to the move fast and break things mentality of many technology companies. A Boy Scout was invited to the front of the room to lead all of us in the Pledge of Allegiance. And after Vice Mayor Thomas Small discussed the upcoming Kindness Week at Culver City Middle School eight residents were each given two minutes to speak on their chosen topic. (I m not sure how these eight were chosen specifically.) A selection: One man complained about Film LA s (the organization that oversees film permits in the Los Angeles area) abuse of Culver City parking. He was quite emotional and infuriated. Another speaker - a poet - read a couple poems she had written one comparing Congresspeople to Baboons. Yet another discussed permitting requests for proposed cannabis retail stores. An elderly man *demanded* the city repair and maintain stop lights. It must have struck a nerve because about half the room applauded when he finished. After the eight speakers had each had their say Boring Company s Operations Coordinator Jehn Balajadia gave her presentation. She touched on many of the points available at [The Boring Company s FAQ](https: www.boringcompany.com faq ). More importantly I want to discuss the response from the Council and the public. After Balajadia ended her initial 10 minute presentation five pre-selected Culver City residents came up to ask their questions. 1.) Marleen Pugach said she didn t want experimental tunnels dug under her neighborhood which she said is “under seige” 2.) Judi Sherman had questions about community impact 3.) Ken Mand was a champion of the tunnel and its technology but had important questions about its ultimate effect on the city s residents. 4.) Daniel Lee was excited to see the presentation. But he wanted the city to strongly take into account the proposed access points for entering and exiting the tunnel. Also he was concerned about the small size of the pods and wished they held more people. He also wanted to encourage local hire within LA and explicitly Culver City. 5.) Alex Fish said that although Boring Company was not asking for public cash they were in effect asking for capital via access to public land that could be used for other means. He had concerns that - if the company were to dissolve - who would be left holding the bag to guard the tunnel and its access points? City Councilwoman Meghan Sahli-Wells was the most critical of the five Council Members and not without reason. Her questions were pointed and she took issue with comments Musk had made about public transit in December when he said “It s a pain in the ass. That s why everyone doesn t like it. And there s like a bunch of random strangers one of who might be a serial killer. Sahli-Wells wasn t sure if someone (from her POV) as openly hostile to public projects as Musk was the right person to be leading one. And - taking off my Musk Fanboy Hat - can you blame her? A **self-admitted** side project famous for selling hats and [flamethrowers](https: www.instagram.com p BeeYW0NA1HU ) wants to use land underneath your city. And many of your constituents - the ones you represent - are vocally wary or even hostile to the idea. What would you do? How would you feel? Sahli-Wells followed up with “It looks super sexy and super easy but it s half baked. It s half baked from a public perspective.” And simply based on how Boring reps handled the presentation and ensuing Q & A she wasn t wrong. The employees seemed underprepared to face anything resembling hostility. Which brings me back to my original two points: **1.)** There s a vast difference between selling private goods and winning public trust I doubt a Culver City Council meeting had ever been that packed. Nearly every seat was taken and there were two dozen people standing in the back of the room. And there were a LOT of Pro-Musk folks there (myself included). And it was enlightening to see how Musk loyalists would react to certain questions posed by the Council public and how regular people would react. I think it s a bit akin to watching all of the Harry Potter films AFTER you ve already read the books. Your mind invisibly subconsciously fills in a lot of gaps to the point where you don t even recognize they exist. But there s a vast difference between the relationship that exists between a private company and a prospective buyer and a private company and the larger public. And it all boils down to: Consent. It s the important distinction between consciously buying a U2 album vs [having it automatically installed on your phone](https: gigaom.com 2014 09 10 u2-on-my-phone). When you walk into a Tesla store you make the conscious choice to enter. You re already signaling *some* level of interest to the company by simply walking through the door. That signaling then ratchets up and down based on your actions - are you engaging with an employee in the showroom? Are you asking questions? Or are you turning around and immediately walking out? You d be hard pressed to find a Tesla store chockfull of people who don t **actively** want to be there. If you do somehow encounter this scenario: Call the police because we ve got a hostage situation. A public private partnership is an entirely different beast. Instead of members of the public coming to *you* (The Company) and entering *your* space you are pitching begging bribing goading forcing your way into *their* space. Suddenly instead of a scenario in which 100% of the people you re interacting with agree to the interaction you re fighting tooth and nail to claw your way to 50.1%. And The Boring Company representatives weren t equipped to do that. Which brings me to - **2.)** Any company will struggle to succeed when their CEO (by his own admission) dedicates 2 or 3 percent of his time to it. Elon has publicly said that after he spends most of his time as the CEO of SpaceX and Tesla 2-3% of his time is spent on The Boring Company. And it showed that night. I m incredibly sympathetic to the employees who were tasked with presenting the proposal to a not entirely supportive public but they were in many ways underprepared. And who can blame them? When a boss is running one company intent on disrupting the automobile industry and another on revolutionizing space travel how much time every day does he spare the employees giving 100% of their time to his 3% side project? A CEO fully 100% invested in Boring Company would have been felt in that presentation. Musk wasn t. What s so frustrating about all of this is that the more I learn and understand about The Boring Company s proposals the more I examine it from a [First Principles perspective](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=NV3sBlRgzTI) the more excited I get about its mission. As someone who teared up as the Falcon Heavy Stage 1 boosters landed in-sync on their landing pads who has been waiting since March 31 2016 for a Model 3... I believe the best way for The Boring Company to succeed in its mission to revolutionize public transportation is for Musk to hand over the CEO reins to someone else. | FUTURESPEAKshow | 2018-02-10 22:08:00 | 240 | du1zkra | Excellent post but maybe not the right sub. Try r theboringcompany | ch00f | 2018-02-10 22:46:35 | 31 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7woloy | [Discussion] I attended The Boring Company s Culver City Presentation. I m concerned about its ability to win public trust. (x-post from r technology) | I attended the Boring Company s January 22 presentation to the City Council of the City of Culver City (this is legitimately how they refer to themselves) where they pitched their plan to burrow underneath the town as part of their “Phase 1” 6.5 mile tunnel. I went with the intention to simply gather information for my podcast and left with the sinking feeling that the company is biting off more than it can chew. The Boring Company presenters themselves were competent capable and as well-prepared as I imagine they could have been considering the circumstances. (I ll get to that in a bit.) My two main takeaways from that City Council meeting were: **1.)** There s a vast difference between selling private goods and winning public trust **2.)** Any company will struggle to succeed when their CEO (by his own admission) dedicates 2 or 3 percent of his time to it. Let s backup and discuss how the Council meeting went before The Boring Company gave their presentation and fielded questions. It shines a light on how much of public work is a slow grind of competing interests and a stark contrast to the move fast and break things mentality of many technology companies. A Boy Scout was invited to the front of the room to lead all of us in the Pledge of Allegiance. And after Vice Mayor Thomas Small discussed the upcoming Kindness Week at Culver City Middle School eight residents were each given two minutes to speak on their chosen topic. (I m not sure how these eight were chosen specifically.) A selection: One man complained about Film LA s (the organization that oversees film permits in the Los Angeles area) abuse of Culver City parking. He was quite emotional and infuriated. Another speaker - a poet - read a couple poems she had written one comparing Congresspeople to Baboons. Yet another discussed permitting requests for proposed cannabis retail stores. An elderly man *demanded* the city repair and maintain stop lights. It must have struck a nerve because about half the room applauded when he finished. After the eight speakers had each had their say Boring Company s Operations Coordinator Jehn Balajadia gave her presentation. She touched on many of the points available at [The Boring Company s FAQ](https: www.boringcompany.com faq ). More importantly I want to discuss the response from the Council and the public. After Balajadia ended her initial 10 minute presentation five pre-selected Culver City residents came up to ask their questions. 1.) Marleen Pugach said she didn t want experimental tunnels dug under her neighborhood which she said is “under seige” 2.) Judi Sherman had questions about community impact 3.) Ken Mand was a champion of the tunnel and its technology but had important questions about its ultimate effect on the city s residents. 4.) Daniel Lee was excited to see the presentation. But he wanted the city to strongly take into account the proposed access points for entering and exiting the tunnel. Also he was concerned about the small size of the pods and wished they held more people. He also wanted to encourage local hire within LA and explicitly Culver City. 5.) Alex Fish said that although Boring Company was not asking for public cash they were in effect asking for capital via access to public land that could be used for other means. He had concerns that - if the company were to dissolve - who would be left holding the bag to guard the tunnel and its access points? City Councilwoman Meghan Sahli-Wells was the most critical of the five Council Members and not without reason. Her questions were pointed and she took issue with comments Musk had made about public transit in December when he said “It s a pain in the ass. That s why everyone doesn t like it. And there s like a bunch of random strangers one of who might be a serial killer. Sahli-Wells wasn t sure if someone (from her POV) as openly hostile to public projects as Musk was the right person to be leading one. And - taking off my Musk Fanboy Hat - can you blame her? A **self-admitted** side project famous for selling hats and [flamethrowers](https: www.instagram.com p BeeYW0NA1HU ) wants to use land underneath your city. And many of your constituents - the ones you represent - are vocally wary or even hostile to the idea. What would you do? How would you feel? Sahli-Wells followed up with “It looks super sexy and super easy but it s half baked. It s half baked from a public perspective.” And simply based on how Boring reps handled the presentation and ensuing Q & A she wasn t wrong. The employees seemed underprepared to face anything resembling hostility. Which brings me back to my original two points: **1.)** There s a vast difference between selling private goods and winning public trust I doubt a Culver City Council meeting had ever been that packed. Nearly every seat was taken and there were two dozen people standing in the back of the room. And there were a LOT of Pro-Musk folks there (myself included). And it was enlightening to see how Musk loyalists would react to certain questions posed by the Council public and how regular people would react. I think it s a bit akin to watching all of the Harry Potter films AFTER you ve already read the books. Your mind invisibly subconsciously fills in a lot of gaps to the point where you don t even recognize they exist. But there s a vast difference between the relationship that exists between a private company and a prospective buyer and a private company and the larger public. And it all boils down to: Consent. It s the important distinction between consciously buying a U2 album vs [having it automatically installed on your phone](https: gigaom.com 2014 09 10 u2-on-my-phone). When you walk into a Tesla store you make the conscious choice to enter. You re already signaling *some* level of interest to the company by simply walking through the door. That signaling then ratchets up and down based on your actions - are you engaging with an employee in the showroom? Are you asking questions? Or are you turning around and immediately walking out? You d be hard pressed to find a Tesla store chockfull of people who don t **actively** want to be there. If you do somehow encounter this scenario: Call the police because we ve got a hostage situation. A public private partnership is an entirely different beast. Instead of members of the public coming to *you* (The Company) and entering *your* space you are pitching begging bribing goading forcing your way into *their* space. Suddenly instead of a scenario in which 100% of the people you re interacting with agree to the interaction you re fighting tooth and nail to claw your way to 50.1%. And The Boring Company representatives weren t equipped to do that. Which brings me to - **2.)** Any company will struggle to succeed when their CEO (by his own admission) dedicates 2 or 3 percent of his time to it. Elon has publicly said that after he spends most of his time as the CEO of SpaceX and Tesla 2-3% of his time is spent on The Boring Company. And it showed that night. I m incredibly sympathetic to the employees who were tasked with presenting the proposal to a not entirely supportive public but they were in many ways underprepared. And who can blame them? When a boss is running one company intent on disrupting the automobile industry and another on revolutionizing space travel how much time every day does he spare the employees giving 100% of their time to his 3% side project? A CEO fully 100% invested in Boring Company would have been felt in that presentation. Musk wasn t. What s so frustrating about all of this is that the more I learn and understand about The Boring Company s proposals the more I examine it from a [First Principles perspective](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=NV3sBlRgzTI) the more excited I get about its mission. As someone who teared up as the Falcon Heavy Stage 1 boosters landed in-sync on their landing pads who has been waiting since March 31 2016 for a Model 3... I believe the best way for The Boring Company to succeed in its mission to revolutionize public transportation is for Musk to hand over the CEO reins to someone else. | FUTURESPEAKshow | 2018-02-10 22:08:00 | 240 | du20kfn | Is this the first city council county board of supervisors school board you ve ever attended? That rundown sounded rather run of the mill. | infinityedge007 | 2018-02-10 23:06:09 | 17 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7woloy | [Discussion] I attended The Boring Company s Culver City Presentation. I m concerned about its ability to win public trust. (x-post from r technology) | I attended the Boring Company s January 22 presentation to the City Council of the City of Culver City (this is legitimately how they refer to themselves) where they pitched their plan to burrow underneath the town as part of their “Phase 1” 6.5 mile tunnel. I went with the intention to simply gather information for my podcast and left with the sinking feeling that the company is biting off more than it can chew. The Boring Company presenters themselves were competent capable and as well-prepared as I imagine they could have been considering the circumstances. (I ll get to that in a bit.) My two main takeaways from that City Council meeting were: **1.)** There s a vast difference between selling private goods and winning public trust **2.)** Any company will struggle to succeed when their CEO (by his own admission) dedicates 2 or 3 percent of his time to it. Let s backup and discuss how the Council meeting went before The Boring Company gave their presentation and fielded questions. It shines a light on how much of public work is a slow grind of competing interests and a stark contrast to the move fast and break things mentality of many technology companies. A Boy Scout was invited to the front of the room to lead all of us in the Pledge of Allegiance. And after Vice Mayor Thomas Small discussed the upcoming Kindness Week at Culver City Middle School eight residents were each given two minutes to speak on their chosen topic. (I m not sure how these eight were chosen specifically.) A selection: One man complained about Film LA s (the organization that oversees film permits in the Los Angeles area) abuse of Culver City parking. He was quite emotional and infuriated. Another speaker - a poet - read a couple poems she had written one comparing Congresspeople to Baboons. Yet another discussed permitting requests for proposed cannabis retail stores. An elderly man *demanded* the city repair and maintain stop lights. It must have struck a nerve because about half the room applauded when he finished. After the eight speakers had each had their say Boring Company s Operations Coordinator Jehn Balajadia gave her presentation. She touched on many of the points available at [The Boring Company s FAQ](https: www.boringcompany.com faq ). More importantly I want to discuss the response from the Council and the public. After Balajadia ended her initial 10 minute presentation five pre-selected Culver City residents came up to ask their questions. 1.) Marleen Pugach said she didn t want experimental tunnels dug under her neighborhood which she said is “under seige” 2.) Judi Sherman had questions about community impact 3.) Ken Mand was a champion of the tunnel and its technology but had important questions about its ultimate effect on the city s residents. 4.) Daniel Lee was excited to see the presentation. But he wanted the city to strongly take into account the proposed access points for entering and exiting the tunnel. Also he was concerned about the small size of the pods and wished they held more people. He also wanted to encourage local hire within LA and explicitly Culver City. 5.) Alex Fish said that although Boring Company was not asking for public cash they were in effect asking for capital via access to public land that could be used for other means. He had concerns that - if the company were to dissolve - who would be left holding the bag to guard the tunnel and its access points? City Councilwoman Meghan Sahli-Wells was the most critical of the five Council Members and not without reason. Her questions were pointed and she took issue with comments Musk had made about public transit in December when he said “It s a pain in the ass. That s why everyone doesn t like it. And there s like a bunch of random strangers one of who might be a serial killer. Sahli-Wells wasn t sure if someone (from her POV) as openly hostile to public projects as Musk was the right person to be leading one. And - taking off my Musk Fanboy Hat - can you blame her? A **self-admitted** side project famous for selling hats and [flamethrowers](https: www.instagram.com p BeeYW0NA1HU ) wants to use land underneath your city. And many of your constituents - the ones you represent - are vocally wary or even hostile to the idea. What would you do? How would you feel? Sahli-Wells followed up with “It looks super sexy and super easy but it s half baked. It s half baked from a public perspective.” And simply based on how Boring reps handled the presentation and ensuing Q & A she wasn t wrong. The employees seemed underprepared to face anything resembling hostility. Which brings me back to my original two points: **1.)** There s a vast difference between selling private goods and winning public trust I doubt a Culver City Council meeting had ever been that packed. Nearly every seat was taken and there were two dozen people standing in the back of the room. And there were a LOT of Pro-Musk folks there (myself included). And it was enlightening to see how Musk loyalists would react to certain questions posed by the Council public and how regular people would react. I think it s a bit akin to watching all of the Harry Potter films AFTER you ve already read the books. Your mind invisibly subconsciously fills in a lot of gaps to the point where you don t even recognize they exist. But there s a vast difference between the relationship that exists between a private company and a prospective buyer and a private company and the larger public. And it all boils down to: Consent. It s the important distinction between consciously buying a U2 album vs [having it automatically installed on your phone](https: gigaom.com 2014 09 10 u2-on-my-phone). When you walk into a Tesla store you make the conscious choice to enter. You re already signaling *some* level of interest to the company by simply walking through the door. That signaling then ratchets up and down based on your actions - are you engaging with an employee in the showroom? Are you asking questions? Or are you turning around and immediately walking out? You d be hard pressed to find a Tesla store chockfull of people who don t **actively** want to be there. If you do somehow encounter this scenario: Call the police because we ve got a hostage situation. A public private partnership is an entirely different beast. Instead of members of the public coming to *you* (The Company) and entering *your* space you are pitching begging bribing goading forcing your way into *their* space. Suddenly instead of a scenario in which 100% of the people you re interacting with agree to the interaction you re fighting tooth and nail to claw your way to 50.1%. And The Boring Company representatives weren t equipped to do that. Which brings me to - **2.)** Any company will struggle to succeed when their CEO (by his own admission) dedicates 2 or 3 percent of his time to it. Elon has publicly said that after he spends most of his time as the CEO of SpaceX and Tesla 2-3% of his time is spent on The Boring Company. And it showed that night. I m incredibly sympathetic to the employees who were tasked with presenting the proposal to a not entirely supportive public but they were in many ways underprepared. And who can blame them? When a boss is running one company intent on disrupting the automobile industry and another on revolutionizing space travel how much time every day does he spare the employees giving 100% of their time to his 3% side project? A CEO fully 100% invested in Boring Company would have been felt in that presentation. Musk wasn t. What s so frustrating about all of this is that the more I learn and understand about The Boring Company s proposals the more I examine it from a [First Principles perspective](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=NV3sBlRgzTI) the more excited I get about its mission. As someone who teared up as the Falcon Heavy Stage 1 boosters landed in-sync on their landing pads who has been waiting since March 31 2016 for a Model 3... I believe the best way for The Boring Company to succeed in its mission to revolutionize public transportation is for Musk to hand over the CEO reins to someone else. | FUTURESPEAKshow | 2018-02-10 22:08:00 | 240 | du21sdh | The Culver City City Council of the City of Culver City needs to rethink its position on redundancy. > You d be hard pressed to find a Tesla store chockfull of people who don t actively want to be there. If you do somehow encounter this scenario: Call the police because we ve got a hostage situation. This isn t always true the UAW protests at some stores every so often. Well written the r Technology link is probably a better place for it than here but they have been chastised for deleting the *word* Tesla automatically in the past so it might be deleted by policy. | mark-five | 2018-02-10 23:30:23 | 11 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
7u80bu | [Discussion] I believe the Tesla app may have a “Strava” exposure | The recent Strava story is about the inadvertent exposure of user data from apps that are capturing your location information. What I ve discovered on the Tesla app is one feature that users may object to due to a somewhat similar exposure of owners names and locations. On the Tesla smartphone app if you go to the Loot Box there is a Leaderboard showing the owner s first name (with additional numbers as a suffix) indicating the ranking of the owner in the referral contest. There are four geographical tabs at the Owner Local Country and World level. At the Owner level the Tesla app shows your neighborhood map and then lists the names (referral code using first name or family name) of other Tesla owners in your neighborhood radius and your referral ranking relative to those other Tesla owners. First of all the encoding for the referral code should not use identifiable names of the owners and secondly Tesla should not show who s in your neighborhood vicinity unless they opt in. What are your thoughts? Does Tesla need to remedy these two issues? Is there an issue of PII here? | Caravaggio1 | 2018-01-31 06:36:20 | 14 | dtibdr3 | Never been thrilled with this but it appears to be first name and four random digits following with granularity down to the zip code. This doesn t seem to introduce a specific risk unless you re the only owner in an area and then only your first name. | 1st3inAZ | 2018-01-31 06:45:01 | 6 | Tesla companion app features |
973p2h | [Discussion] I got the call no one wants... | I was fortunate enough to get the call to setup my delivery on 5 months after ordering with a delivery date of 2 weeks from the call. After the rush to get my car sold get financing insurance and a way to them (nearest dealership is 4 hours away and a rental is $300 so i was able to get a friend to take me) I got the call today that said due to a logistics error the car won t be here for another week and a half. I understand they are stretched thin on delivery s but it is 3 days till my delivery and as of 2 days ago they were telling me to get everything ready. Not I m stuck with no car no way to get there and 2 used vacations days.... For people who are in the same boat was Tesla able to do anything at all to help you?? | EVTra1ner | 2018-08-14 00:22:44 | 11 | e45bqp1 | Get them to provide a rental and keep track of all your related expenses. Bring them up when you go pick up your car. At the very least you should get the first annual service for free. I did when our delivery was pushed so far back that our financing expired and the new loan had a higher annual interest. | kodek64 | 2018-08-14 01:11:13 | 9 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
973p2h | [Discussion] I got the call no one wants... | I was fortunate enough to get the call to setup my delivery on 5 months after ordering with a delivery date of 2 weeks from the call. After the rush to get my car sold get financing insurance and a way to them (nearest dealership is 4 hours away and a rental is $300 so i was able to get a friend to take me) I got the call today that said due to a logistics error the car won t be here for another week and a half. I understand they are stretched thin on delivery s but it is 3 days till my delivery and as of 2 days ago they were telling me to get everything ready. Not I m stuck with no car no way to get there and 2 used vacations days.... For people who are in the same boat was Tesla able to do anything at all to help you?? | EVTra1ner | 2018-08-14 00:22:44 | 11 | e45b0pz | We are in a similar boat. Our delivery date has been pushed 5 times due to logistics . Originally quoted incorrectly for mid-june then mid-july then 5 actual appointment dates after that. Luckily we have two cars and only let one of them lapse thinking we were getting the new car. We were told when we moved the appointment for the 2nd time that they were going to do something to try to make it right with us but we haven t heard any specifics yet a few weeks later. Not sure what to expect when we finally hopefully pick up on Wednesday. | awakesquid7 | 2018-08-14 00:59:15 | 8 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
9yvg5d | [Discussion] I just saw the business model Tesla has been talking about—electric car sharing | This company I m citing below is doing it now but when Tesla gets into it their infrastructure is primed. Cars can be staged on Supercharger lots. Software is easy to push for car share mode. Nav on Autopilot will be another value add others can t do. It can be enabled practically overnight. https: sacramentocityexpress.com 2018 11 02 new-massive-electric-car-sharing-program-launches-in-sacramento | Derfein | 2018-11-20 19:32:29 | 18 | ea4fil9 | I think the major difference is that the Tesla will pick you up... so no that company isn t doing that now. It s not just car sharing it s like car sharing and uber lyft combined. | croninsiglos | 2018-11-20 20:14:00 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
ae8hq8 | [Discussion] I m an idiot and bumped my Model 3 into a curb taking out a small chunk in the lower front bumper is it fixable without replacing? (pics inside) | Yeah I m a certified idiot got too close to a low curb parking and heard a crack. Could have been a lot worse but it basically took a little chunk out of the lower part of the front panel. Obviously I could get the whole front panel replaced (it s plastic) but it s kinda hard to notice in person (I ve had to point it out to people) so that seems like an expense I d prefer to avoid I m wondering if there s a quick patch job you guys could recommend that would just make it a little less visible. Like some bondo and the same color car paint? I d talk to Tesla but the nearest service center is 13 hours away (Tesla for the love of god please come to eastern canada in some capacity) Pics: [https: imgur.com a TqihPFT](https: imgur.com a TqihPFT) | canucktesladude | 2019-01-09 16:31:34 | 18 | edn6u3e | I used a local “mobile bumper repair” guy for a similar repair. Found on yelp. Looks like new. | lmaccaro | 2019-01-09 16:38:19 | 9 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
ae8hq8 | [Discussion] I m an idiot and bumped my Model 3 into a curb taking out a small chunk in the lower front bumper is it fixable without replacing? (pics inside) | Yeah I m a certified idiot got too close to a low curb parking and heard a crack. Could have been a lot worse but it basically took a little chunk out of the lower part of the front panel. Obviously I could get the whole front panel replaced (it s plastic) but it s kinda hard to notice in person (I ve had to point it out to people) so that seems like an expense I d prefer to avoid I m wondering if there s a quick patch job you guys could recommend that would just make it a little less visible. Like some bondo and the same color car paint? I d talk to Tesla but the nearest service center is 13 hours away (Tesla for the love of god please come to eastern canada in some capacity) Pics: [https: imgur.com a TqihPFT](https: imgur.com a TqihPFT) | canucktesladude | 2019-01-09 16:31:34 | 18 | edn6f4z | Avoid expense. Avoid delays. Enjoy car. Next question. | TheRegen | 2019-01-09 16:33:12 | 5 | Tesla ownership feedback and issues |
8vjecn | [Discussion] I m looking for a Tesla owner in Central NY. | I m looking for someone that would be willing to take my grandfather for a ride in their Tesla. He s 89 and always super fascinated about Teslas. He s will always ask me questions about them and if I think they re really as good as people say. Given his age and our family I couldn t see him getting to ride in one any other way. My family isn t middle class enough to afford a Tesla or even know someone that has one. There isn t a dealership anywhere near us but I do see them often enough around here though. Syracuse Watertown and Rochester are all within driving distance from me for reference. I know this sounds sketchy but I know there isn t any other way for him to ever ride in one. If there is someone interested feel free to PM me and we can hash out the details. I ll go through whatever vetting you need to make sure I m not an axe murderer lol. Thanks guys | SaxMan00 | 2018-07-02 15:14:24 | 65 | e1nrt83 | Best of luck! If he hasn t gotten his ride in a few months I will be happy to do it when I get my model 3!! | Richtalks | 2018-07-02 15:19:57 | 11 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8vjecn | [Discussion] I m looking for a Tesla owner in Central NY. | I m looking for someone that would be willing to take my grandfather for a ride in their Tesla. He s 89 and always super fascinated about Teslas. He s will always ask me questions about them and if I think they re really as good as people say. Given his age and our family I couldn t see him getting to ride in one any other way. My family isn t middle class enough to afford a Tesla or even know someone that has one. There isn t a dealership anywhere near us but I do see them often enough around here though. Syracuse Watertown and Rochester are all within driving distance from me for reference. I know this sounds sketchy but I know there isn t any other way for him to ever ride in one. If there is someone interested feel free to PM me and we can hash out the details. I ll go through whatever vetting you need to make sure I m not an axe murderer lol. Thanks guys | SaxMan00 | 2018-07-02 15:14:24 | 65 | e1nzmek | OP - I ll PM you... I m in central NJ.. | Alpha_Tech | 2018-07-02 17:07:57 | 7 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8vjecn | [Discussion] I m looking for a Tesla owner in Central NY. | I m looking for someone that would be willing to take my grandfather for a ride in their Tesla. He s 89 and always super fascinated about Teslas. He s will always ask me questions about them and if I think they re really as good as people say. Given his age and our family I couldn t see him getting to ride in one any other way. My family isn t middle class enough to afford a Tesla or even know someone that has one. There isn t a dealership anywhere near us but I do see them often enough around here though. Syracuse Watertown and Rochester are all within driving distance from me for reference. I know this sounds sketchy but I know there isn t any other way for him to ever ride in one. If there is someone interested feel free to PM me and we can hash out the details. I ll go through whatever vetting you need to make sure I m not an axe murderer lol. Thanks guys | SaxMan00 | 2018-07-02 15:14:24 | 65 | e1nrsnl | If you don t find any takers in NY but you happen to be in eastern Ohio or western PA anytime soon shoot me a message. I d be happy to let him drive mine. | dubsteponmycat | 2018-07-02 15:19:43 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
9dx2ix | [Discussion] I saw the toke pictures before I watched the show and my conservative side said man that was bad but then I watched it... | That s the kind of hangout I want to be in with friends. It was genuine thought-provocative light-hearted and enlightening all at the same time. Mr Musk is definitely a charismatic guy. He evokes flashes of creativity tempered with a sense of the absurd but the absurdity of it is what turns out to be the genius move. Ludicrous definitely. I m optimistic about the products that will be borne out of these creators willing to push the envelope. Bring it. | Derfein | 2018-09-07 18:23:50 | 169 | e5kkfdz | Yup. Already trying to inform lazy people who only digest pre-regurgitated social media to actually watch the show-- so they can get the actual context of his taking a puff off a blunt and saying he didn t like it as it impedes productivity. That single image (now a meme) seems to have cost a few points on the Stock Market as the chickens run around with their heads cut off screaming the sky is falling. And the hypocrisy is most of the people complaining about Elon are the ones actually smoking pot. They can and he can t? I don t get it... | Rowzby | 2018-09-07 18:47:58 | 45 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9dx2ix | [Discussion] I saw the toke pictures before I watched the show and my conservative side said man that was bad but then I watched it... | That s the kind of hangout I want to be in with friends. It was genuine thought-provocative light-hearted and enlightening all at the same time. Mr Musk is definitely a charismatic guy. He evokes flashes of creativity tempered with a sense of the absurd but the absurdity of it is what turns out to be the genius move. Ludicrous definitely. I m optimistic about the products that will be borne out of these creators willing to push the envelope. Bring it. | Derfein | 2018-09-07 18:23:50 | 169 | e5ktxok | I really liked that interview. Elon isn t a typical businessman or CEO and he doesn t pretend to be. All of his businesses are different because he doesn t respect the rules that everybody else plays by. I saw it as him being direct and honest about who he is - and people who expect him to be something else should get out now. | uuzinger | 2018-09-07 21:09:23 | 22 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9dx2ix | [Discussion] I saw the toke pictures before I watched the show and my conservative side said man that was bad but then I watched it... | That s the kind of hangout I want to be in with friends. It was genuine thought-provocative light-hearted and enlightening all at the same time. Mr Musk is definitely a charismatic guy. He evokes flashes of creativity tempered with a sense of the absurd but the absurdity of it is what turns out to be the genius move. Ludicrous definitely. I m optimistic about the products that will be borne out of these creators willing to push the envelope. Bring it. | Derfein | 2018-09-07 18:23:50 | 169 | e5l3buu | His expression in the gif was basically like Rogan you guys are acting like this is the most amazing thing. Personally... I don t get it. It s the dream scenario for any parent of their kid. | 1q2w3 | 2018-09-07 23:48:37 | 15 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9dx2ix | [Discussion] I saw the toke pictures before I watched the show and my conservative side said man that was bad but then I watched it... | That s the kind of hangout I want to be in with friends. It was genuine thought-provocative light-hearted and enlightening all at the same time. Mr Musk is definitely a charismatic guy. He evokes flashes of creativity tempered with a sense of the absurd but the absurdity of it is what turns out to be the genius move. Ludicrous definitely. I m optimistic about the products that will be borne out of these creators willing to push the envelope. Bring it. | Derfein | 2018-09-07 18:23:50 | 169 | e5l4oo4 | > **my conservative side said man that was bad** Sounds like you have a problem. This idea that smoking marijuana means they are doing something bad or that they are bad or some how not a good person is utter horse shit. And the people who propagate that bullshit are the actual bad ones. You should look at someone smoking marijuana the same way you look at someone smoking a cigarette or drinking a beer. | JBStroodle | 2018-09-08 00:13:43 | 15 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9dx2ix | [Discussion] I saw the toke pictures before I watched the show and my conservative side said man that was bad but then I watched it... | That s the kind of hangout I want to be in with friends. It was genuine thought-provocative light-hearted and enlightening all at the same time. Mr Musk is definitely a charismatic guy. He evokes flashes of creativity tempered with a sense of the absurd but the absurdity of it is what turns out to be the genius move. Ludicrous definitely. I m optimistic about the products that will be borne out of these creators willing to push the envelope. Bring it. | Derfein | 2018-09-07 18:23:50 | 169 | e5kn55k | I don t have a problem with him smoking weed but he s the head of a public company and a lot of share holders don t feel the same way. If he takes Tesla private this is less of a concern. I sort of wonder if he s driving the price down to make it easier to go private. | PlanetTesla | 2018-09-07 19:28:34 | 9 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9dx2ix | [Discussion] I saw the toke pictures before I watched the show and my conservative side said man that was bad but then I watched it... | That s the kind of hangout I want to be in with friends. It was genuine thought-provocative light-hearted and enlightening all at the same time. Mr Musk is definitely a charismatic guy. He evokes flashes of creativity tempered with a sense of the absurd but the absurdity of it is what turns out to be the genius move. Ludicrous definitely. I m optimistic about the products that will be borne out of these creators willing to push the envelope. Bring it. | Derfein | 2018-09-07 18:23:50 | 169 | e5komo8 | Frankly don t give a shit if he smokes weed but how would he imagine that to play out? He s the CEO of a publicly traded company that is constantly in the media. Of course it won t look good no matter why he did it or what he says afterwards. Not saying it s OK for media to do that but it s definitely expected. | TraceySweeney | 2018-09-07 19:50:46 | 7 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
9dx2ix | [Discussion] I saw the toke pictures before I watched the show and my conservative side said man that was bad but then I watched it... | That s the kind of hangout I want to be in with friends. It was genuine thought-provocative light-hearted and enlightening all at the same time. Mr Musk is definitely a charismatic guy. He evokes flashes of creativity tempered with a sense of the absurd but the absurdity of it is what turns out to be the genius move. Ludicrous definitely. I m optimistic about the products that will be borne out of these creators willing to push the envelope. Bring it. | Derfein | 2018-09-07 18:23:50 | 169 | e5kqz79 | Does Tesla do random drug testing? I wonder how many people Tesla or Space X fired for doing the same thing. | Dinkbmt | 2018-09-07 20:25:52 | 7 | Elon Musk Tesla Controversy |
8j2737 | [Discussion] I think Tesla is being potentially too misleading with their Auto Pilot marketing site. | **[Tesla s webpage on Auto Pilot](https: www.tesla.com autopilot)** **EDIT: Please please check the page out first before replying. It seems many people are not aware how Tesla is labeling Auto Pilot as a FSD tech these days.** First thing that jumps to the readers attention after loading the page is the following sentence in large fonts: > **Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars** Followed by: > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory including Model 3 have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. For people who are familiar with this field we understand that just by having hardware is nowhere close to being sufficient. Many of us understand how much of a critical role software plays in the pursuit of FSD. The same cannot be said for the mainstream consumers who aren t tech enthusiasts. I d argue it s up to Tesla to explain that in an easy to understand manner. Another concern is that to a large group of consumers hardware is a word that s interchangeable with equipment (i.e military hardware). Tesla does not follow this paragraph with an immediate disclaimer nor is this paragraph annotated with the familiar * or a numbered supernate for additional clarification. What follows the first paragraph is the Order Model S and Order Model X buttons and a full video demoing full self driving. Again the video does not explain it is demoing a *future* capability instead of something that s already shipping. **Actual disclaimer being misleading** If one scrolls down the page further the reader will encounter a more nuanced disclaimer for Full Self Driving Capability: > Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval. I personally think this paragraph is incredibly misleading since it has no mention of actual software implementation development being a necessary step in achieving FSD. There are still significant amount of work to be done both in software and hardware in order to achieve FSD. However Tesla names government regulatory approval being the *major bottleneck* (in fact mentioned twice in a row) along with software *validation* which may mislead many into thinking the whole capability is already complete just more testing and government approval are needed. This in combination with the demo video at the beginning of the page only further causes confusion. **Why I think these are concerning:** I am pretty sure Tesla is *technically* correct in all the descriptions on their website. For example it never claimed software validation is the *only* engineering step left it is just happens to be the only one mentioned. It never said a Model S X 3 has FSD as of today it just conveniently put Order Model S and Order Model X buttons right above a FSD video and right below Full Self Driving Capability main title. All of these decisions are probably legally defendable but motivation wise very very questionable. In fact if I were given the task to mislead as many consumers as possible into thinking FSD == Auto Pilot without resort to actually lying or get into legal trouble the current webpage would far exceed my best efforts. P.S. I just want a good discussion on this topic and perhaps hear some perspectives that I ve not heard before. No doubt I ll get tons of downvotes and many PMs calling me a troll a TSLA shorter or a FUD guy working for GM Exxon BMW Comcast All-Of-The-Above here but none of that would bother me as long as we can have a healthy debate on what I think is a pretty important issue. | cookingboy | 2018-05-13 06:57:41 | 76 | dywgtq4 | I ll take down votes. I can t believe these guys completely ignoring perfectly logical points that you raised I wonder why are these guys so biased that they ll defend all kinds of lies and misleading statements of musk and tesla | Throwawaydelhi22 | 2018-05-13 09:02:46 | 38 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8j2737 | [Discussion] I think Tesla is being potentially too misleading with their Auto Pilot marketing site. | **[Tesla s webpage on Auto Pilot](https: www.tesla.com autopilot)** **EDIT: Please please check the page out first before replying. It seems many people are not aware how Tesla is labeling Auto Pilot as a FSD tech these days.** First thing that jumps to the readers attention after loading the page is the following sentence in large fonts: > **Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars** Followed by: > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory including Model 3 have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. For people who are familiar with this field we understand that just by having hardware is nowhere close to being sufficient. Many of us understand how much of a critical role software plays in the pursuit of FSD. The same cannot be said for the mainstream consumers who aren t tech enthusiasts. I d argue it s up to Tesla to explain that in an easy to understand manner. Another concern is that to a large group of consumers hardware is a word that s interchangeable with equipment (i.e military hardware). Tesla does not follow this paragraph with an immediate disclaimer nor is this paragraph annotated with the familiar * or a numbered supernate for additional clarification. What follows the first paragraph is the Order Model S and Order Model X buttons and a full video demoing full self driving. Again the video does not explain it is demoing a *future* capability instead of something that s already shipping. **Actual disclaimer being misleading** If one scrolls down the page further the reader will encounter a more nuanced disclaimer for Full Self Driving Capability: > Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval. I personally think this paragraph is incredibly misleading since it has no mention of actual software implementation development being a necessary step in achieving FSD. There are still significant amount of work to be done both in software and hardware in order to achieve FSD. However Tesla names government regulatory approval being the *major bottleneck* (in fact mentioned twice in a row) along with software *validation* which may mislead many into thinking the whole capability is already complete just more testing and government approval are needed. This in combination with the demo video at the beginning of the page only further causes confusion. **Why I think these are concerning:** I am pretty sure Tesla is *technically* correct in all the descriptions on their website. For example it never claimed software validation is the *only* engineering step left it is just happens to be the only one mentioned. It never said a Model S X 3 has FSD as of today it just conveniently put Order Model S and Order Model X buttons right above a FSD video and right below Full Self Driving Capability main title. All of these decisions are probably legally defendable but motivation wise very very questionable. In fact if I were given the task to mislead as many consumers as possible into thinking FSD == Auto Pilot without resort to actually lying or get into legal trouble the current webpage would far exceed my best efforts. P.S. I just want a good discussion on this topic and perhaps hear some perspectives that I ve not heard before. No doubt I ll get tons of downvotes and many PMs calling me a troll a TSLA shorter or a FUD guy working for GM Exxon BMW Comcast All-Of-The-Above here but none of that would bother me as long as we can have a healthy debate on what I think is a pretty important issue. | cookingboy | 2018-05-13 06:57:41 | 76 | dywex4g | After test driving a Model S and while configuring one at the Store the sales advisor explained the EAP and FSD options to me. At that point he explicitly advised me not to take the FSD option for the reasons we all know (software legislation). I think this is mostly a problem for people who don t go to a Store for test driving and configuration or don t thoroughly read and comprehend the text on the website. | mlowi | 2018-05-13 07:43:44 | 32 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8j2737 | [Discussion] I think Tesla is being potentially too misleading with their Auto Pilot marketing site. | **[Tesla s webpage on Auto Pilot](https: www.tesla.com autopilot)** **EDIT: Please please check the page out first before replying. It seems many people are not aware how Tesla is labeling Auto Pilot as a FSD tech these days.** First thing that jumps to the readers attention after loading the page is the following sentence in large fonts: > **Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars** Followed by: > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory including Model 3 have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. For people who are familiar with this field we understand that just by having hardware is nowhere close to being sufficient. Many of us understand how much of a critical role software plays in the pursuit of FSD. The same cannot be said for the mainstream consumers who aren t tech enthusiasts. I d argue it s up to Tesla to explain that in an easy to understand manner. Another concern is that to a large group of consumers hardware is a word that s interchangeable with equipment (i.e military hardware). Tesla does not follow this paragraph with an immediate disclaimer nor is this paragraph annotated with the familiar * or a numbered supernate for additional clarification. What follows the first paragraph is the Order Model S and Order Model X buttons and a full video demoing full self driving. Again the video does not explain it is demoing a *future* capability instead of something that s already shipping. **Actual disclaimer being misleading** If one scrolls down the page further the reader will encounter a more nuanced disclaimer for Full Self Driving Capability: > Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval. I personally think this paragraph is incredibly misleading since it has no mention of actual software implementation development being a necessary step in achieving FSD. There are still significant amount of work to be done both in software and hardware in order to achieve FSD. However Tesla names government regulatory approval being the *major bottleneck* (in fact mentioned twice in a row) along with software *validation* which may mislead many into thinking the whole capability is already complete just more testing and government approval are needed. This in combination with the demo video at the beginning of the page only further causes confusion. **Why I think these are concerning:** I am pretty sure Tesla is *technically* correct in all the descriptions on their website. For example it never claimed software validation is the *only* engineering step left it is just happens to be the only one mentioned. It never said a Model S X 3 has FSD as of today it just conveniently put Order Model S and Order Model X buttons right above a FSD video and right below Full Self Driving Capability main title. All of these decisions are probably legally defendable but motivation wise very very questionable. In fact if I were given the task to mislead as many consumers as possible into thinking FSD == Auto Pilot without resort to actually lying or get into legal trouble the current webpage would far exceed my best efforts. P.S. I just want a good discussion on this topic and perhaps hear some perspectives that I ve not heard before. No doubt I ll get tons of downvotes and many PMs calling me a troll a TSLA shorter or a FUD guy working for GM Exxon BMW Comcast All-Of-The-Above here but none of that would bother me as long as we can have a healthy debate on what I think is a pretty important issue. | cookingboy | 2018-05-13 06:57:41 | 76 | dywlhrw | I think it s a bit unethical to sell it in this way. Also it s in line with the way they sum the pricing on the purchase page. They include gas savings credits etc before the bottom line making it impossible to understand how much the actual purchase price. It s just tricky marketing that needs to stop. Everything else Tesla does is great. They need to change Autopilot to something like Assisted Driving so it s clear what you are buying. And don t sell stuff that doesn t exist yet unless it s marked as what it actually is: a go fund me kickstarter page to raise funds for something that s a work in progress. | SolarRoof | 2018-05-13 12:06:10 | 16 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8j2737 | [Discussion] I think Tesla is being potentially too misleading with their Auto Pilot marketing site. | **[Tesla s webpage on Auto Pilot](https: www.tesla.com autopilot)** **EDIT: Please please check the page out first before replying. It seems many people are not aware how Tesla is labeling Auto Pilot as a FSD tech these days.** First thing that jumps to the readers attention after loading the page is the following sentence in large fonts: > **Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars** Followed by: > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory including Model 3 have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. For people who are familiar with this field we understand that just by having hardware is nowhere close to being sufficient. Many of us understand how much of a critical role software plays in the pursuit of FSD. The same cannot be said for the mainstream consumers who aren t tech enthusiasts. I d argue it s up to Tesla to explain that in an easy to understand manner. Another concern is that to a large group of consumers hardware is a word that s interchangeable with equipment (i.e military hardware). Tesla does not follow this paragraph with an immediate disclaimer nor is this paragraph annotated with the familiar * or a numbered supernate for additional clarification. What follows the first paragraph is the Order Model S and Order Model X buttons and a full video demoing full self driving. Again the video does not explain it is demoing a *future* capability instead of something that s already shipping. **Actual disclaimer being misleading** If one scrolls down the page further the reader will encounter a more nuanced disclaimer for Full Self Driving Capability: > Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval. I personally think this paragraph is incredibly misleading since it has no mention of actual software implementation development being a necessary step in achieving FSD. There are still significant amount of work to be done both in software and hardware in order to achieve FSD. However Tesla names government regulatory approval being the *major bottleneck* (in fact mentioned twice in a row) along with software *validation* which may mislead many into thinking the whole capability is already complete just more testing and government approval are needed. This in combination with the demo video at the beginning of the page only further causes confusion. **Why I think these are concerning:** I am pretty sure Tesla is *technically* correct in all the descriptions on their website. For example it never claimed software validation is the *only* engineering step left it is just happens to be the only one mentioned. It never said a Model S X 3 has FSD as of today it just conveniently put Order Model S and Order Model X buttons right above a FSD video and right below Full Self Driving Capability main title. All of these decisions are probably legally defendable but motivation wise very very questionable. In fact if I were given the task to mislead as many consumers as possible into thinking FSD == Auto Pilot without resort to actually lying or get into legal trouble the current webpage would far exceed my best efforts. P.S. I just want a good discussion on this topic and perhaps hear some perspectives that I ve not heard before. No doubt I ll get tons of downvotes and many PMs calling me a troll a TSLA shorter or a FUD guy working for GM Exxon BMW Comcast All-Of-The-Above here but none of that would bother me as long as we can have a healthy debate on what I think is a pretty important issue. | cookingboy | 2018-05-13 06:57:41 | 76 | dyx1oxa | The site says: “All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory including Model 3 have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver.” This is deliberately misleading. Since as far as we know nobody actually has a self-driving Tesla it s impossible to know whether the hardware is sufficient even for Enhanced Autopilot let alone FSD. Will the computer cameras radars and sensors-only approach (no LIDAR) work this year? In three years? Ever? Nobody knows. We love our Teslas and I love Tesla s one-foot-in-the-future stance and the updates we get. Don t let your emotional brain fool you though. What you devoutly wish to be true may never happen. Nobody knows the future. Drive a Tesla and if you like it and can swing it financially buy it! Just remember the 2016 owners who all thought their Teslas would drive themselves by now. Let the downvoting commence! | Mi75d | 2018-05-13 17:32:34 | 13 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8j2737 | [Discussion] I think Tesla is being potentially too misleading with their Auto Pilot marketing site. | **[Tesla s webpage on Auto Pilot](https: www.tesla.com autopilot)** **EDIT: Please please check the page out first before replying. It seems many people are not aware how Tesla is labeling Auto Pilot as a FSD tech these days.** First thing that jumps to the readers attention after loading the page is the following sentence in large fonts: > **Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars** Followed by: > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory including Model 3 have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. For people who are familiar with this field we understand that just by having hardware is nowhere close to being sufficient. Many of us understand how much of a critical role software plays in the pursuit of FSD. The same cannot be said for the mainstream consumers who aren t tech enthusiasts. I d argue it s up to Tesla to explain that in an easy to understand manner. Another concern is that to a large group of consumers hardware is a word that s interchangeable with equipment (i.e military hardware). Tesla does not follow this paragraph with an immediate disclaimer nor is this paragraph annotated with the familiar * or a numbered supernate for additional clarification. What follows the first paragraph is the Order Model S and Order Model X buttons and a full video demoing full self driving. Again the video does not explain it is demoing a *future* capability instead of something that s already shipping. **Actual disclaimer being misleading** If one scrolls down the page further the reader will encounter a more nuanced disclaimer for Full Self Driving Capability: > Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval. I personally think this paragraph is incredibly misleading since it has no mention of actual software implementation development being a necessary step in achieving FSD. There are still significant amount of work to be done both in software and hardware in order to achieve FSD. However Tesla names government regulatory approval being the *major bottleneck* (in fact mentioned twice in a row) along with software *validation* which may mislead many into thinking the whole capability is already complete just more testing and government approval are needed. This in combination with the demo video at the beginning of the page only further causes confusion. **Why I think these are concerning:** I am pretty sure Tesla is *technically* correct in all the descriptions on their website. For example it never claimed software validation is the *only* engineering step left it is just happens to be the only one mentioned. It never said a Model S X 3 has FSD as of today it just conveniently put Order Model S and Order Model X buttons right above a FSD video and right below Full Self Driving Capability main title. All of these decisions are probably legally defendable but motivation wise very very questionable. In fact if I were given the task to mislead as many consumers as possible into thinking FSD == Auto Pilot without resort to actually lying or get into legal trouble the current webpage would far exceed my best efforts. P.S. I just want a good discussion on this topic and perhaps hear some perspectives that I ve not heard before. No doubt I ll get tons of downvotes and many PMs calling me a troll a TSLA shorter or a FUD guy working for GM Exxon BMW Comcast All-Of-The-Above here but none of that would bother me as long as we can have a healthy debate on what I think is a pretty important issue. | cookingboy | 2018-05-13 06:57:41 | 76 | dywh80n | I agree. It is definitely advertised in a way where the general population will read it as if it is already good to go which is extremely misleading. I think you re going to have a tough time making your voice heard given the groupthink that goes on in this sub. People here don t take kindly to anything that can be viewed as anti-Tesla. | canikony | 2018-05-13 09:20:01 | 11 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8j2737 | [Discussion] I think Tesla is being potentially too misleading with their Auto Pilot marketing site. | **[Tesla s webpage on Auto Pilot](https: www.tesla.com autopilot)** **EDIT: Please please check the page out first before replying. It seems many people are not aware how Tesla is labeling Auto Pilot as a FSD tech these days.** First thing that jumps to the readers attention after loading the page is the following sentence in large fonts: > **Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars** Followed by: > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory including Model 3 have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. For people who are familiar with this field we understand that just by having hardware is nowhere close to being sufficient. Many of us understand how much of a critical role software plays in the pursuit of FSD. The same cannot be said for the mainstream consumers who aren t tech enthusiasts. I d argue it s up to Tesla to explain that in an easy to understand manner. Another concern is that to a large group of consumers hardware is a word that s interchangeable with equipment (i.e military hardware). Tesla does not follow this paragraph with an immediate disclaimer nor is this paragraph annotated with the familiar * or a numbered supernate for additional clarification. What follows the first paragraph is the Order Model S and Order Model X buttons and a full video demoing full self driving. Again the video does not explain it is demoing a *future* capability instead of something that s already shipping. **Actual disclaimer being misleading** If one scrolls down the page further the reader will encounter a more nuanced disclaimer for Full Self Driving Capability: > Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval. I personally think this paragraph is incredibly misleading since it has no mention of actual software implementation development being a necessary step in achieving FSD. There are still significant amount of work to be done both in software and hardware in order to achieve FSD. However Tesla names government regulatory approval being the *major bottleneck* (in fact mentioned twice in a row) along with software *validation* which may mislead many into thinking the whole capability is already complete just more testing and government approval are needed. This in combination with the demo video at the beginning of the page only further causes confusion. **Why I think these are concerning:** I am pretty sure Tesla is *technically* correct in all the descriptions on their website. For example it never claimed software validation is the *only* engineering step left it is just happens to be the only one mentioned. It never said a Model S X 3 has FSD as of today it just conveniently put Order Model S and Order Model X buttons right above a FSD video and right below Full Self Driving Capability main title. All of these decisions are probably legally defendable but motivation wise very very questionable. In fact if I were given the task to mislead as many consumers as possible into thinking FSD == Auto Pilot without resort to actually lying or get into legal trouble the current webpage would far exceed my best efforts. P.S. I just want a good discussion on this topic and perhaps hear some perspectives that I ve not heard before. No doubt I ll get tons of downvotes and many PMs calling me a troll a TSLA shorter or a FUD guy working for GM Exxon BMW Comcast All-Of-The-Above here but none of that would bother me as long as we can have a healthy debate on what I think is a pretty important issue. | cookingboy | 2018-05-13 06:57:41 | 76 | dyxkmvb | Solution: - Current Autopilot should be rebranded as “copilot.” - Full self-driving when it arrives should be called “autopilot.” Just throwing it out there. | UnknownQTY | 2018-05-13 23:10:17 | 8 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
8j2737 | [Discussion] I think Tesla is being potentially too misleading with their Auto Pilot marketing site. | **[Tesla s webpage on Auto Pilot](https: www.tesla.com autopilot)** **EDIT: Please please check the page out first before replying. It seems many people are not aware how Tesla is labeling Auto Pilot as a FSD tech these days.** First thing that jumps to the readers attention after loading the page is the following sentence in large fonts: > **Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars** Followed by: > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory including Model 3 have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. For people who are familiar with this field we understand that just by having hardware is nowhere close to being sufficient. Many of us understand how much of a critical role software plays in the pursuit of FSD. The same cannot be said for the mainstream consumers who aren t tech enthusiasts. I d argue it s up to Tesla to explain that in an easy to understand manner. Another concern is that to a large group of consumers hardware is a word that s interchangeable with equipment (i.e military hardware). Tesla does not follow this paragraph with an immediate disclaimer nor is this paragraph annotated with the familiar * or a numbered supernate for additional clarification. What follows the first paragraph is the Order Model S and Order Model X buttons and a full video demoing full self driving. Again the video does not explain it is demoing a *future* capability instead of something that s already shipping. **Actual disclaimer being misleading** If one scrolls down the page further the reader will encounter a more nuanced disclaimer for Full Self Driving Capability: > Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval which may vary widely by jurisdiction. It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval. I personally think this paragraph is incredibly misleading since it has no mention of actual software implementation development being a necessary step in achieving FSD. There are still significant amount of work to be done both in software and hardware in order to achieve FSD. However Tesla names government regulatory approval being the *major bottleneck* (in fact mentioned twice in a row) along with software *validation* which may mislead many into thinking the whole capability is already complete just more testing and government approval are needed. This in combination with the demo video at the beginning of the page only further causes confusion. **Why I think these are concerning:** I am pretty sure Tesla is *technically* correct in all the descriptions on their website. For example it never claimed software validation is the *only* engineering step left it is just happens to be the only one mentioned. It never said a Model S X 3 has FSD as of today it just conveniently put Order Model S and Order Model X buttons right above a FSD video and right below Full Self Driving Capability main title. All of these decisions are probably legally defendable but motivation wise very very questionable. In fact if I were given the task to mislead as many consumers as possible into thinking FSD == Auto Pilot without resort to actually lying or get into legal trouble the current webpage would far exceed my best efforts. P.S. I just want a good discussion on this topic and perhaps hear some perspectives that I ve not heard before. No doubt I ll get tons of downvotes and many PMs calling me a troll a TSLA shorter or a FUD guy working for GM Exxon BMW Comcast All-Of-The-Above here but none of that would bother me as long as we can have a healthy debate on what I think is a pretty important issue. | cookingboy | 2018-05-13 06:57:41 | 76 | dywznwz | This is well written and I agree with it. Nice work. | fossilnews | 2018-05-13 16:55:51 | 6 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
9kmsje | [Discussion] I want to publicly apologize for misleading all that V9 would mass-release on Monday morning. | To all of you who stayed up late and thought that V9 was coming imminently I m sorry that for posting incorrect information that CS reps relayed to me. I only posted their response because I was excited about what they had to say and was extremely jittery about getting V9 downloaded. * I meant no harm. I m long $TSLA since 2016 and continue to invest. I live & breathe Musk Tesla SpaceX etc. **and hope to work at a Musk company for the rest of my life first job to last job.** * I m not a Tesla rep but rather just a fanboy just like the rest of you. * I shouldn t have said anything was official and that s fair. Nothing is official unless it comes directly from Tesla PR or otherwise. So all of you who were disappointed remember that official statements basically NEVER come from CS reps and NEVER from a stupid post on Reddit. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt. So sorry for getting everybody s hopes up and here s to waiting just a little longer. I hope you can forgive me. (Oh and to all of the CS reps that I ve ever inconvenienced... I m really... really..... REALLY sorry.) | tesrella | 2018-10-02 02:18:43 | 279 | e708xf3 | Update secured. The SEC has some questions for you... | TheKobayashiMoron | 2018-10-02 02:25:10 | 114 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
9kmsje | [Discussion] I want to publicly apologize for misleading all that V9 would mass-release on Monday morning. | To all of you who stayed up late and thought that V9 was coming imminently I m sorry that for posting incorrect information that CS reps relayed to me. I only posted their response because I was excited about what they had to say and was extremely jittery about getting V9 downloaded. * I meant no harm. I m long $TSLA since 2016 and continue to invest. I live & breathe Musk Tesla SpaceX etc. **and hope to work at a Musk company for the rest of my life first job to last job.** * I m not a Tesla rep but rather just a fanboy just like the rest of you. * I shouldn t have said anything was official and that s fair. Nothing is official unless it comes directly from Tesla PR or otherwise. So all of you who were disappointed remember that official statements basically NEVER come from CS reps and NEVER from a stupid post on Reddit. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt. So sorry for getting everybody s hopes up and here s to waiting just a little longer. I hope you can forgive me. (Oh and to all of the CS reps that I ve ever inconvenienced... I m really... really..... REALLY sorry.) | tesrella | 2018-10-02 02:18:43 | 279 | e708qmn | Anyone that took the word of a Tesla CS deserves to be fooled. They say some crazy inaccurate stuff all the time. | ClevelandSteamer81 | 2018-10-02 02:22:11 | 37 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
9kmsje | [Discussion] I want to publicly apologize for misleading all that V9 would mass-release on Monday morning. | To all of you who stayed up late and thought that V9 was coming imminently I m sorry that for posting incorrect information that CS reps relayed to me. I only posted their response because I was excited about what they had to say and was extremely jittery about getting V9 downloaded. * I meant no harm. I m long $TSLA since 2016 and continue to invest. I live & breathe Musk Tesla SpaceX etc. **and hope to work at a Musk company for the rest of my life first job to last job.** * I m not a Tesla rep but rather just a fanboy just like the rest of you. * I shouldn t have said anything was official and that s fair. Nothing is official unless it comes directly from Tesla PR or otherwise. So all of you who were disappointed remember that official statements basically NEVER come from CS reps and NEVER from a stupid post on Reddit. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt. So sorry for getting everybody s hopes up and here s to waiting just a little longer. I hope you can forgive me. (Oh and to all of the CS reps that I ve ever inconvenienced... I m really... really..... REALLY sorry.) | tesrella | 2018-10-02 02:18:43 | 279 | e709kit | A lot of good came from it for example you helped this guy fix his wifi: https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 9kkejo _ e6zp7sx?context=1000 | tomt1112 | 2018-10-02 02:35:17 | 26 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
9kmsje | [Discussion] I want to publicly apologize for misleading all that V9 would mass-release on Monday morning. | To all of you who stayed up late and thought that V9 was coming imminently I m sorry that for posting incorrect information that CS reps relayed to me. I only posted their response because I was excited about what they had to say and was extremely jittery about getting V9 downloaded. * I meant no harm. I m long $TSLA since 2016 and continue to invest. I live & breathe Musk Tesla SpaceX etc. **and hope to work at a Musk company for the rest of my life first job to last job.** * I m not a Tesla rep but rather just a fanboy just like the rest of you. * I shouldn t have said anything was official and that s fair. Nothing is official unless it comes directly from Tesla PR or otherwise. So all of you who were disappointed remember that official statements basically NEVER come from CS reps and NEVER from a stupid post on Reddit. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt. So sorry for getting everybody s hopes up and here s to waiting just a little longer. I hope you can forgive me. (Oh and to all of the CS reps that I ve ever inconvenienced... I m really... really..... REALLY sorry.) | tesrella | 2018-10-02 02:18:43 | 279 | e708z53 | Pitchforks here! Get yer pitchforks! s | syrinxStarman | 2018-10-02 02:25:56 | 17 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
9kmsje | [Discussion] I want to publicly apologize for misleading all that V9 would mass-release on Monday morning. | To all of you who stayed up late and thought that V9 was coming imminently I m sorry that for posting incorrect information that CS reps relayed to me. I only posted their response because I was excited about what they had to say and was extremely jittery about getting V9 downloaded. * I meant no harm. I m long $TSLA since 2016 and continue to invest. I live & breathe Musk Tesla SpaceX etc. **and hope to work at a Musk company for the rest of my life first job to last job.** * I m not a Tesla rep but rather just a fanboy just like the rest of you. * I shouldn t have said anything was official and that s fair. Nothing is official unless it comes directly from Tesla PR or otherwise. So all of you who were disappointed remember that official statements basically NEVER come from CS reps and NEVER from a stupid post on Reddit. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt. So sorry for getting everybody s hopes up and here s to waiting just a little longer. I hope you can forgive me. (Oh and to all of the CS reps that I ve ever inconvenienced... I m really... really..... REALLY sorry.) | tesrella | 2018-10-02 02:18:43 | 279 | e709ai7 | I ve made a few people uncomfortable making sure my car has been connected to WiFi at home asking the home owner to park on the street for my “critical software update” and may have rearranged all my Monday client meetings to later in the week to ensure the car was connected all day but it s okay. I forgive you. You weren t the only source claiming wide release. Might as well stay in the driveway over night just in case haha | theloudestlion | 2018-10-02 02:30:52 | 15 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
9kmsje | [Discussion] I want to publicly apologize for misleading all that V9 would mass-release on Monday morning. | To all of you who stayed up late and thought that V9 was coming imminently I m sorry that for posting incorrect information that CS reps relayed to me. I only posted their response because I was excited about what they had to say and was extremely jittery about getting V9 downloaded. * I meant no harm. I m long $TSLA since 2016 and continue to invest. I live & breathe Musk Tesla SpaceX etc. **and hope to work at a Musk company for the rest of my life first job to last job.** * I m not a Tesla rep but rather just a fanboy just like the rest of you. * I shouldn t have said anything was official and that s fair. Nothing is official unless it comes directly from Tesla PR or otherwise. So all of you who were disappointed remember that official statements basically NEVER come from CS reps and NEVER from a stupid post on Reddit. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt. So sorry for getting everybody s hopes up and here s to waiting just a little longer. I hope you can forgive me. (Oh and to all of the CS reps that I ve ever inconvenienced... I m really... really..... REALLY sorry.) | tesrella | 2018-10-02 02:18:43 | 279 | e708uj1 | Don t sweat it! It was very nice of you to share the info. I would ve definitely done the same thing if I was in your shoes. | XPrecision2937 | 2018-10-02 02:23:55 | 14 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
9kmsje | [Discussion] I want to publicly apologize for misleading all that V9 would mass-release on Monday morning. | To all of you who stayed up late and thought that V9 was coming imminently I m sorry that for posting incorrect information that CS reps relayed to me. I only posted their response because I was excited about what they had to say and was extremely jittery about getting V9 downloaded. * I meant no harm. I m long $TSLA since 2016 and continue to invest. I live & breathe Musk Tesla SpaceX etc. **and hope to work at a Musk company for the rest of my life first job to last job.** * I m not a Tesla rep but rather just a fanboy just like the rest of you. * I shouldn t have said anything was official and that s fair. Nothing is official unless it comes directly from Tesla PR or otherwise. So all of you who were disappointed remember that official statements basically NEVER come from CS reps and NEVER from a stupid post on Reddit. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt. So sorry for getting everybody s hopes up and here s to waiting just a little longer. I hope you can forgive me. (Oh and to all of the CS reps that I ve ever inconvenienced... I m really... really..... REALLY sorry.) | tesrella | 2018-10-02 02:18:43 | 279 | e70anfl | It s ok Tesrella we will only remember your name FOREVER. | _ohm_my | 2018-10-02 02:53:08 | 10 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
9kmsje | [Discussion] I want to publicly apologize for misleading all that V9 would mass-release on Monday morning. | To all of you who stayed up late and thought that V9 was coming imminently I m sorry that for posting incorrect information that CS reps relayed to me. I only posted their response because I was excited about what they had to say and was extremely jittery about getting V9 downloaded. * I meant no harm. I m long $TSLA since 2016 and continue to invest. I live & breathe Musk Tesla SpaceX etc. **and hope to work at a Musk company for the rest of my life first job to last job.** * I m not a Tesla rep but rather just a fanboy just like the rest of you. * I shouldn t have said anything was official and that s fair. Nothing is official unless it comes directly from Tesla PR or otherwise. So all of you who were disappointed remember that official statements basically NEVER come from CS reps and NEVER from a stupid post on Reddit. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt. So sorry for getting everybody s hopes up and here s to waiting just a little longer. I hope you can forgive me. (Oh and to all of the CS reps that I ve ever inconvenienced... I m really... really..... REALLY sorry.) | tesrella | 2018-10-02 02:18:43 | 279 | e70akdk | There s still a chance for a Monday release. I am holding on strong ^^^^somebody ^^^^hold ^^^^me | reefine | 2018-10-02 02:51:41 | 7 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
9kmsje | [Discussion] I want to publicly apologize for misleading all that V9 would mass-release on Monday morning. | To all of you who stayed up late and thought that V9 was coming imminently I m sorry that for posting incorrect information that CS reps relayed to me. I only posted their response because I was excited about what they had to say and was extremely jittery about getting V9 downloaded. * I meant no harm. I m long $TSLA since 2016 and continue to invest. I live & breathe Musk Tesla SpaceX etc. **and hope to work at a Musk company for the rest of my life first job to last job.** * I m not a Tesla rep but rather just a fanboy just like the rest of you. * I shouldn t have said anything was official and that s fair. Nothing is official unless it comes directly from Tesla PR or otherwise. So all of you who were disappointed remember that official statements basically NEVER come from CS reps and NEVER from a stupid post on Reddit. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt. So sorry for getting everybody s hopes up and here s to waiting just a little longer. I hope you can forgive me. (Oh and to all of the CS reps that I ve ever inconvenienced... I m really... really..... REALLY sorry.) | tesrella | 2018-10-02 02:18:43 | 279 | e709ebi | It s all good man! I figured the reps were full of crap since they said “install as soon a possible for everyone”. I feel like an update this big would be sent out in test rings or phases according to how close owners addresses are to service centers in case of an issue. Just my guess. | g1zm0929 | 2018-10-02 02:32:32 | 5 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
9kmsje | [Discussion] I want to publicly apologize for misleading all that V9 would mass-release on Monday morning. | To all of you who stayed up late and thought that V9 was coming imminently I m sorry that for posting incorrect information that CS reps relayed to me. I only posted their response because I was excited about what they had to say and was extremely jittery about getting V9 downloaded. * I meant no harm. I m long $TSLA since 2016 and continue to invest. I live & breathe Musk Tesla SpaceX etc. **and hope to work at a Musk company for the rest of my life first job to last job.** * I m not a Tesla rep but rather just a fanboy just like the rest of you. * I shouldn t have said anything was official and that s fair. Nothing is official unless it comes directly from Tesla PR or otherwise. So all of you who were disappointed remember that official statements basically NEVER come from CS reps and NEVER from a stupid post on Reddit. Take everything you read online with a grain of salt. So sorry for getting everybody s hopes up and here s to waiting just a little longer. I hope you can forgive me. (Oh and to all of the CS reps that I ve ever inconvenienced... I m really... really..... REALLY sorry.) | tesrella | 2018-10-02 02:18:43 | 279 | e70a9fq | All good I make mistakes CONSTANTLY and I try to learn from every single one of them. EDIT: As a side note I discovered TeslaFi while preparing for the roll out awesome service and signed up for a year. So thanks! | UrbanArcologist | 2018-10-02 02:46:42 | 5 | Evolution of Tesla Subreddit |
81t3bu | [Discussion] I-Pace wheels are the aero wheels done right if it performs similar to the Model 3 s aero wheels | Link: https: www.instagram.com p Bfyrwp-Ftk4 ?hl=en& taken-by=jaguar If you compare the silhouette of the rims it really looks like the Model 3 s aero wheels but the design is much nicer. I assume from the similar hole pattern with the Model 3 aero wheels it s trying to achieve efficiency gains as well though I m not sure what the efficiency is like. Surely the Model 3 wheels is more purist but it doesn t hurt to design the caps a bit better. What Jaguar did was to hide the dark areas and making the rim spokes slimmer than it actually is and I think it seems to be doing the job. Thoughts? | swiftcal3158 | 2018-03-03 21:22:29 | 14 | dv4y85l | Good question. Not sure if the wheels on the ipace significantly improve the coefficient of drag but overall the ipace cod (.29) is significantly higher than the 3. | http-reddit-com | 2018-03-03 21:37:01 | 14 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
81t3bu | [Discussion] I-Pace wheels are the aero wheels done right if it performs similar to the Model 3 s aero wheels | Link: https: www.instagram.com p Bfyrwp-Ftk4 ?hl=en& taken-by=jaguar If you compare the silhouette of the rims it really looks like the Model 3 s aero wheels but the design is much nicer. I assume from the similar hole pattern with the Model 3 aero wheels it s trying to achieve efficiency gains as well though I m not sure what the efficiency is like. Surely the Model 3 wheels is more purist but it doesn t hurt to design the caps a bit better. What Jaguar did was to hide the dark areas and making the rim spokes slimmer than it actually is and I think it seems to be doing the job. Thoughts? | swiftcal3158 | 2018-03-03 21:22:29 | 14 | dv521lh | Jaguar tricks it by painting the majority of the part dark and only highlight a small part of it making them contrast in colour and therefore hiding the dark parts. I think by simply repainting some parts of the Aero wheels it would looks significantly better. The stock color is horrendous. Here from a 5-minute Photoshop job https: imgur.com a cmB0X | ptrkhh | 2018-03-03 22:51:19 | 9 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
81t3bu | [Discussion] I-Pace wheels are the aero wheels done right if it performs similar to the Model 3 s aero wheels | Link: https: www.instagram.com p Bfyrwp-Ftk4 ?hl=en& taken-by=jaguar If you compare the silhouette of the rims it really looks like the Model 3 s aero wheels but the design is much nicer. I assume from the similar hole pattern with the Model 3 aero wheels it s trying to achieve efficiency gains as well though I m not sure what the efficiency is like. Surely the Model 3 wheels is more purist but it doesn t hurt to design the caps a bit better. What Jaguar did was to hide the dark areas and making the rim spokes slimmer than it actually is and I think it seems to be doing the job. Thoughts? | swiftcal3158 | 2018-03-03 21:22:29 | 14 | dv53v4j | Amen. A wheel doesn t have to ugly to be aero. And it definitely doesn t have to be the ugly dark grey color tesla chose. | redditmannnnn | 2018-03-03 23:28:02 | 6 | Tire and Wheel Maintenance |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxmxf68 | I had a similar experience yesterday. A Dodge Challenger pulled right up on me (2ft) from my butt @80mph and started to aggressively rev his engine and he almost lost control when he let his clutch out again since the rear became loose. I promptly moved across two lanes of traffic and exited while giving him the one finger salute. He could not exit in time but slowed to 40mph on the highway trying to track me on the frontage road before I turned down a side street. Just crazy. Diesel trucks will routinely roll coal when they see a Tesla and can get very aggressive about trying to get in front of you to do it. | kenriko | 2018-04-19 17:44:24 | 77 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxms9zg | Conservative media has driven half this country so insane that they think they re supposed to hate and fight against anything that helps the environment. The logic is - liberals are evil and they want to protect the environment therefore environmentalism is evil. If liberals want to protect the planet then it s the duty of real patriotic masculine conservatives to fight against the planet. | redditmannnnn | 2018-04-19 16:29:41 | 35 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxnclli | This is a real phenomenon. I ve talked about this with other Tesla drivers who can corroborate for years about this. I always say my Roadster is a magnet for douchebags. It s usually BMW drivers... followed by Mustangs Camaros Challengers Chargers etc. . Hardly ever Corvettes though. People in Corvettes typically like and respect the Roadster. I haven t experienced anything similar in the Model 3 yet but my wife did. Wife had an Audi try to race her on the tollway. She followed it never going past 80 and the guy in the Audi wound up getting tagged and pulled over for speeding. You can bet he s going to be extra salty the next time he sees a Tesla because of that. | stevejust | 2018-04-19 21:29:03 | 31 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxms4ne | Depends. Were you left lane hogging or in the middle right lane? He could have been upset that you were doing just the speed limit. | Kaelang | 2018-04-19 16:27:36 | 25 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxmsb1e | Where ya at? In Socal I see Teslas as frequently as just about any other car. Nobody cares. | xAmorphous | 2018-04-19 16:30:07 | 20 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxn893s | I was out driving kinda late one summer night and waiting at a weirdly long red light. Had the road to myself and my windows down and the roof open and everything. This giant pickup rolls up next to me at the still-red light screams FUCK YOUR TESLA at me and immediately floors it through the intersection. Aside from every dipshit in a badly-modded clunker and every WRX-owning high schooler with failures for parents wanting to race me constantly that was the only like explicitly fuck you for having an electric car moment I can remember. | tuba_man | 2018-04-19 20:22:24 | 17 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxnji7k | I actually had this happen on a test drive with a Chevy Bolt I ended up buying. Two douchbags in a lifted diesel pickup pulled up next to me thought it d be hilarious to blow diesel smoke at me. I m struggling to think of public behavior that demonstrates utter and total stupidity any more. | SpiderSchwein | 2018-04-19 23:27:53 | 16 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxmtrx7 | Don t ride down the left lane and people won t get pissed at you. | FestiHeads | 2018-04-19 16:51:25 | 9 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxmtbix | search dash cam in r teslamotors sort by top and also try new. you ll find loads of info. Keep reading till you feel like you ve got a consensus. I bought a Blackvue with a battery last night. more info here. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8cqj94 looking_at_blackview_dash_cam_thinking_about | OPVFTW | 2018-04-19 16:44:50 | 8 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxol6us | 1. Buy a Tesla Semi. 2. Take it to the bible belt. 3. Beat some rednecks in a drag race. Wonder if there s more ways to piss people off lol | antarticaiscool | 2018-04-20 14:37:50 | 6 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8dfv66 | [Discussion] ICE driver rage? Is this a thing? | I was driving down the highway yesterday - my first full day my the Model 3 - when a Subaru WRX aggressively pulls up fast behind me slams on his brakes then speeds past sticking his arm out the window — thumb pointed down.** **Highway was 8 lanes 4 lanes on my side. I was in the third from the left lane allowing an open lane for people to merge. WRX passed on the completely open 4th lane to my right. I m used to running into all sorts of insecure angry drivers on the road but this just came out of nowhere considering I was cruising along doing the speed limit minding my own business no traffic at all. I m guessing this happened just because I was driving an electric car - perhaps because I m driving a Tesla. Am I reading too much into this or have other owners experienced the same negative reactions from other drivers? (Model 3... what a fantastic car btw... I m enjoying a huge upgrade from my 2005 Subaru with 170k miles!) PS - is there a good post summarizing recos for dash rear cams? I feel like they might come in handy now... EDIT: 8 lane highway. More details clarifying I was not being an absent minded dick of a driver hogging the far left lane inching along at the speed limit. Cus I hate that too. | notgettinganyounger | 2018-04-19 16:16:17 | 77 | dxn5qxf | Probably just an asshole being an asshole. It s not like they need justification for their actions. | Walker2012 | 2018-04-19 19:45:33 | 5 | Miscellaneous Tesla Topic |
8ufyqw | [Discussion] If I order right now which will I get sooner the AWD or RWD (non performance)? | Both have 3-5 month estimate. | sabasaba19 | 2018-06-28 03:23:54 | 21 | e1f6isa | So far they ve been prioritizing higher dollar configs. I would expect that to continue. Only caveat: if they are stockpiling RWD s as has been speculated ordering RWD might get you an instant VIN | FlashFlooder | 2018-06-28 03:57:44 | 13 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8ufyqw | [Discussion] If I order right now which will I get sooner the AWD or RWD (non performance)? | Both have 3-5 month estimate. | sabasaba19 | 2018-06-28 03:23:54 | 21 | e1f52wc | The most expensive one s seem to have a shorter delivery date. So my guess is the AWD | Cybarrius | 2018-06-28 03:28:31 | 7 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
8ufyqw | [Discussion] If I order right now which will I get sooner the AWD or RWD (non performance)? | Both have 3-5 month estimate. | sabasaba19 | 2018-06-28 03:23:54 | 21 | e1fi8ix | Your best shot of knowing is ask Elon on Twitter | yzdedream | 2018-06-28 09:46:06 | 5 | Tesla Delivery Woes |
94bgrf | [Discussion] If you bought your TM3 before the FSD price increase but didn t get FSD shouldn t you be paying $4K after the fact? | Don t get me wrong I would gladly buy it at 5K if it s reliable and genuinely full self driving. However when I bought the car it was advertised as “$4 000 upgrade if added after delivery” I m not sure if there s a footnote somewhere that says it s subject to increase. Similarly after the price increase are the new buyers assured that it will be $5K after the fact? Was there any precedence with regard to Model X and S autopilot upgrades? | vinceman | 2018-08-03 17:14:47 | 10 | e3jpn67 | Yes. They will honor the 4k price. | Kaelang | 2018-08-03 17:23:04 | 9 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
94bgrf | [Discussion] If you bought your TM3 before the FSD price increase but didn t get FSD shouldn t you be paying $4K after the fact? | Don t get me wrong I would gladly buy it at 5K if it s reliable and genuinely full self driving. However when I bought the car it was advertised as “$4 000 upgrade if added after delivery” I m not sure if there s a footnote somewhere that says it s subject to increase. Similarly after the price increase are the new buyers assured that it will be $5K after the fact? Was there any precedence with regard to Model X and S autopilot upgrades? | vinceman | 2018-08-03 17:14:47 | 10 | e3jprcm | This has been discussed many times all over the internet. Tesla will honor the $4k price if you decide to upgrade. | izybit | 2018-08-03 17:24:36 | 7 | Tesla Autopilot Performance Review |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb360fn | I mean if I could wake up tomorrow and it would be here that d be great. | jbaker1225 | 2018-12-04 19:38:55 | 56 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb35t13 | The model. I d like to change my model to a 2020 roadster. | keco185 | 2018-12-04 19:36:20 | 41 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb381u3 | The dent I put in my rear bumper would be gone. | noswad8 | 2018-12-04 20:04:38 | 22 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb36lmq | As an investor it s got to be the body shops. Thousands more specifically might be a bit too many but the issues regarding tight delivery times and long waits for service are primarily down to too few service centers. Plus more shops means more people to talk to and talking to Tesla might get easier. Also swapping a few of these new service center for mobile service units wouldn t hurt. | SconiGrower | 2018-12-04 19:46:13 | 12 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb38sra | Heated steering wheel. Had one on multiple cars since 2000 (bmw x5 bmw 535 Chevy bolt).and really missing it. | eddiem5 | 2018-12-04 20:14:07 | 12 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb3g2rs | Autopilot to accelerate from a dead stop in perfect unison with the car in front up to about 15mph before then slowly increasing the following distance. | Dr_Pippin | 2018-12-04 21:44:10 | 11 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb3plc2 | Slacker being replaced by Spotify | 70ga | 2018-12-04 23:42:41 | 11 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb37bg4 | Increased performance uncorking! Or legit FSD actually being a reality. | TeslaModel11 | 2018-12-04 19:55:14 | 10 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb39ewx | I d like to see it copy-pasted on every driveway garage and parking spot on the planet. | izybit | 2018-12-04 20:21:48 | 9 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb3e9pb | - A **complete** bluetooth implementation that includes viewing as well as text-to-speech and speech-to-text for SMS MMS contact photo display AptX & AAC streaming and full interaction for phone-based music apps including the ability to launch an app without unlocking the phone. (I don t want Android Auto or Carplay I just want all the bluetooth features my wife s 2015 Buick has plus a few bonus ones.) - More context-sensitive adjustable driver s display in Model S and X. (See Audi Virtual Cockpit.) - HUD available in Model S X and 3. | majesticjg | 2018-12-04 21:21:49 | 9 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb3eswl | Powered frunk and trunk. | garthreddit | 2018-12-04 21:28:29 | 9 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb3cmsf | Have the phone key work 100% of the time or a non-shit keyfob. I don t know what it is but v9 or iOS12.1 has got the phone key at a 20% success rate. | Cptn_Awesome | 2018-12-04 21:01:46 | 6 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb36mxd | 1000 kWh battery. | jaunissefraiche | 2018-12-04 19:46:40 | 5 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb36oke | Podcast app. | _ohm_my | 2018-12-04 19:47:15 | 5 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb3cmfc | I would be infinitely happier if I could use Google Music over Slacker. | demonlag | 2018-12-04 21:01:39 | 5 | Tesla companion app features |
a33yzc | [Discussion] If you could wake up tomorrow and have one thing changed about your car what would it be? | - Slacker being replaced by Spotify Google Music Apple Music - Integration of Android Auto Apple Carplay. - < 1 week deliveries? - Ability to force the software update? - Thousands more Tesla Certified Body Shops? - Integrated Live Chat Support option on the display with Live 24 7 Troubleshooting? - Auto-Upload of dashcam recording to your network drive Cloud Storage path of choice when conncted to home-wifi? Seems the majority of issues people have are with Delivery Repair Communication Quality Control. | SupaZT | 2018-12-04 19:32:43 | 29 | eb3ejin | Better summon audible blind spot monitoring more body shops aux battery heater on model 3. | Gabik123 | 2018-12-04 21:25:14 | 5 | Tesla companion app features |
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