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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ณ ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I don't think I was particularly exceptional.
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์—ฌ๋™์ƒ์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ €์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํŠน์ถœ๋‚œ ์ ์€ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
Apparently, my sister said that my biggest exceptional quality was that I would not let go.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ํฅ๋ฏธ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
CA: OK, so let's go there, because that's interesting.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ง€๋‚˜์น˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
You would not let go.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ดด์งœ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฒœ์žฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ณ ์ง‘๋ถˆํ†ต์ด ๋˜๋Š”๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
So that's not about being a geek and being smart, that's about being ... stubborn?
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šค ํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
LT: That's about being stubborn.
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๋งˆ์น˜ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ง‰ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์ž ๋งˆ์ž "๋๋‚ฌ์–ด, ์ด์ œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฑฐ ํ•˜์ž ์ด๊ฒƒ ๋ด, ์ด๊ฑฐ ์ข‹๋„ค!"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
That's about, like, just starting something and not saying, "OK, I'm done, let's do something else -- Look: shiny!"
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์ œ ์‚ถ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And I notice that in many other parts in my life, too.
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์ €๋Š” ์‹ค๋ฆฌ์ฝ˜๋ฐธ๋ฆฌ์—์„œ 7๋…„๊ฐ„ ์‚ด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I lived in Silicon Valley for seven years.
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๊ทธ ๊ณณ์˜ ๊ฐ™์€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ ๊ณ„์† ์ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And I worked for the same company, in Silicon Valley, for the whole time.
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์ „๋ก€๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
That is unheard of.
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์‹ค๋ฆฌ์ฝ˜๋ฐธ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
That's not how Silicon Valley works.
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์‹ค๋ฆฌ์ฝ˜๋ฐธ๋ฆฌ ๋‹ค์šด ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ž์ฃผ ์ด๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด ๋ง‰ ์„ž์ด๋Š”๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
The whole point of Silicon Valley is that people jump between jobs to kind of mix up the pot.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And that's not the kind of person I am.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค๋ฅผ ์‹ค์ œ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ์—๋Š”, ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์™„๊ณ ํ•จ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ฐˆ๋“ฑ์„ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
CA: But during the actual development of Linux itself, that stubbornness sometimes brought you in conflict with other people.
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๊ทธ ์–˜๊ธฐ ์ข€ ํ•ด๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
Talk about that a bit.
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๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์ค‘์ธ ๊ฒƒ์˜ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•„์ˆ˜์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
Was that essential to sort of maintain the quality of what was being built?
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์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
How would you describe what happened?
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•„์ˆ˜์ ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
LT: I don't know if it's essential.
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"์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๊ต์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"๋ผ๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์–ด๋–ค ๋•Œ๋Š” ์ €๋„
Going back to the "I'm not a people person," -- sometimes I'm also ...
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๋А๋‚Œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด "๊ทผ์‹œ์•ˆ์ "์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ค ๋•Œ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
shall we say, "myopic" when it comes to other people's feelings, and that sometimes makes you say things that hurt other people.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And I'm not proud of that.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋™์‹œ์— ์ œ๊ฒŒ ์นœ์ ˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But, at the same time, it's -- I get people who tell me that I should be nice.
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๊ทธ๋•Œ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ์ข‹์€ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ข€๋” ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ด ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋Š” ์ €๋ฅผ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ• ํ…Œ๋‹ˆ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And then when I try to explain to them that maybe you're nice, maybe you should be more aggressive, they see that as me being not nice.
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์ œ ๋ง์”€์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
What I'm trying to say is we are different.
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์ €๋Š” ์‚ฌ๊ต์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ์ €์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I'm not a people person; it's not something I'm particularly proud of, but it's part of me.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์–ด์šธ๋ ค์„œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And one of the things I really like about open source is it really allows different people to work together.
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์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„œ๋กœ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We don't have to like each other -- and sometimes we really don't like each other.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์ด ๊ณผ์—ด๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Really -- I mean, there are very, very heated arguments.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋ฅผ ์ธ์ •ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ๋ชป ํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„ ๋‹ค๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ด€์‹ฌ์€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But you can, actually, you can find things that -- you don't even agree to disagree, it's just that you're interested in really different things.
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๋จผ์ € ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋˜ ์š”์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์ž‘์—…์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ์—…์ ์ธ ์ด์ต์„ ์ฑ™๊ธฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ ค๋˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์•Œ๊ณ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ธˆ๋ฐฉ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And coming back to the point where I said earlier that I was afraid of commercial people taking advantage of your work, it turned out, and very quickly turned out, that those commercial people were lovely, lovely people.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด์•ผ๋ง๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ๋งŒ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ „ํ˜€ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And they did all the things that I was not at all interested in doing, and they had completely different goals.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And they used open source in ways that I just did not want to go.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋“  ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ณต๋™์ž‘์—…์ด ๋ฉ‹์ง€๊ฒŒ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But because it was open source they could do it, and it actually works really beautifully together.
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์ผ์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And I actually think it works the same way.
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์‚ฌ๊ต์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•˜๊ณ  ์นœ์ ˆํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ƒ ํ•˜๋ฉด... ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ์•ˆ์•„์ฃผ๊ณ , ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๋กœ ์ด๋Œ์–ด ์ฃผ๋ ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
You need to have the people-people, the communicators, the warm and friendly people who like -- really want to hug you and get you into the community.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But that's not everybody.
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์ €๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And that's not me.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ์‹ ๊ฒฝ์„ ์”๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I care about the technology.
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UI์— ์‹ ๊ฒฝ์“ฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
There are people who care about the UI.
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์ €๋Š” ์ฃฝ์–ด๋„ UI๋ฅผ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I can't do UI to save my life.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ์•ฝ์— ์„ฌ์— ๋ฐœ์ด ๋ฌถ์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ ๋น ์ ธ ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ์ผํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ๋ฉ‹์ง„ UI๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋ฉด ์ €๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ฃฝ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I mean, if I was stranded on an island and the only way to get off that island was the make a pretty UI, I'd die there.
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•‘๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋Œ€๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ์„ค๋ช…์„ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
So there's different kinds of people, and I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to explain.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ง€๋‚œ ์ฃผ์— ๋ณธ์ธ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ช‡๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํŠน์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”. ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
CA: Now, when we talked last week, you talked about some other trait that you have, which I found really interesting.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ทจํ–ฅ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
It's this idea called taste.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋– ์˜ค๋ฅด๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ...
And I've just got a couple of images here.
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์œผ๋กœ ์ฝ”๋”ฉํ•  ๋•Œ ๋ณดํ†ต ์ทจํ–ฅ๊ณผ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์ทจํ–ฅ์˜ ์˜ˆ์‹œ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ณด์—ฌ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์•Œ์•„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I think this is an example of not particularly good taste in code, and this one is better taste, which one can immediately see.
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์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€์˜ ์ฐจ์ด๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
What is the difference between these two?
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”... ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ์ง์ ‘ ํ•ด ๋ณธ์‹  ๋ถ„ ์žˆ์œผ์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
LT: So this is -- How many people here actually have coded?
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์„ธ์ƒ์—.
CA: Oh my goodness.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žฅ๋‹ดํ•˜๊ฑด๋Œ€ ์†์„ ๋“œ์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค์€ ์†Œ์œ„ ๋‹จ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜์‹ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
LT: So I guarantee you, everybody who raised their hand, they have done what's called a singly-linked list.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ์ฒซ๋ฒˆ ์งธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์ข‹์€ ์ทจํ–ฅ์˜ ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฒ•์€ ์•„๋‹Œ๋ฐ ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ์ฒ˜์Œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ์›๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
And it's taught -- This, the first not very good taste approach, is basically how it's taught to be done when you start out coding.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ์•Œ ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And you don't have to understand the code.
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ if ๋ฌธ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
The most interesting part to me is the last if statement.
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๋‹จ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ˜„ํ–‰ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ์‚ญ์ œํ•˜๋ ค ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฒซ๋ฒˆ ์งธ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ์ธ์ง€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ์ธ์ง€์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Because what happens in a singly-linked list -- this is trying to remove an existing entry from a list -- and there's a difference between if it's the first entry or whether it's an entry in the middle.
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ์ด๋ฉด ํฌ์ธํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
Because if it's the first entry, you have to change the pointer to the first entry.
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์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ์ด๋ฉด ์ด์ „ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํฌ์ธํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
If it's in the middle, you have to change the pointer of a previous entry.
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋Š” ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
So they're two completely different cases.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ €๊ฒŒ ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
CA: And that's better.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋” ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
LT: And this is better.
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if๋ฌธ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
It does not have the if statement.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ์™œ if๋ฌธ์ด ์—†๋А๋ƒ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์—์„œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์ •์ƒ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And it doesn't really matter -- I don't want you understand why it doesn't have the if statement, but I want you to understand that sometimes you can see a problem in a different way and rewrite it so that a special case goes away and becomes the normal case.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ข‹์€ ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And that's good code.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์ฝ”๋“œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But this is simple code.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ CS 101 ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
This is CS 101.
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์„ธ๋ถ€์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง„ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
This is not important -- although, details are important.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ค€์€ ์ข‹์€ ์ทจํ•ญ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋А๋ƒ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
To me, the sign of people I really want to work with is that they have good taste, which is how ...
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์ด ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋Š” ์ข€ ๋ฐ”๋ณด๊ฐ™์ฃ . ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ž‘์•„์„œ ์ ์ ˆํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I sent you this stupid example that is not relevant because it's too small.
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์ข‹์€ ์ทจํ–ฅ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ํฐ๋ฐ์„œ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Good taste is much bigger than this.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ํŒจํ„ด์„ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋ณธ๋Šฅ์ ์ธ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜ณ์€์ง€๋ฅผ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Good taste is about really seeing the big patterns and kind of instinctively knowing what's the right way to do things.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์ •๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ํ•ด๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
CA: OK, so we're putting the pieces together here now.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ทจํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์ฃ . ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์˜๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ทจํ–ฅ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
You have taste, in a way that's meaningful to software people.
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์ €๊ธฐ.. ๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ณ„์‹  ์–ด๋–ค ๋ถ„๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋žฌ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
You're -- LT: I think it was meaningful to some people here.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋˜‘๋˜‘ํ•œ ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋จธ์ด๊ณ  ์ง€๋…ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ณ ์ง‘์ด ์…‰๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
CA: You're a very smart computer coder, and you're hellish stubborn.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But there must be something else.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ๋ณ€ํ™”์‹œ์ผฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I mean, you've changed the future.
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์ด์™€๊ฐ™์ด ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜ ๋น„์ „์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Œ์ด ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
You must have the ability of these grand visions of the future.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜ˆ์ง€๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
You're a visionary, right?
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์‚ฌ์‹ค TED์— ์‚ด์ง ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋А๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ์ง€๋‚œ ์ดํ‹€ ๋™์•ˆ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ๋น„์ „๋“ค์ด ๋…ผ์˜๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
LT: I've actually felt slightly uncomfortable at TED for the last two days, because there's a lot of vision going on, right?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์„ ์ง€์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And I am not a visionary.
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5๋…„ ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ณ„ํš๋„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I do not have a five-year plan.
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์ €๋Š” ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
I'm an engineer.
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์ €๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฌด์ฒ™ ํ–‰๋ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ™์ด ๊ฑท๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ตฌ๋ฆ„์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ณ„์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ "์ €๊ธฐ ๊ฐ€๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค"๊ณ  ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And I think it's really -- I mean -- I'm perfectly happy with all the people who are walking around and just staring at the clouds and looking at the stars and saying, "I want to go there."
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๋•…์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ์ œ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์•ž์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์›…๋ฉ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ฉ”์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น ์ง€์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But I'm looking at the ground, and I want to fix the pothole that's right in front of me before I fall in.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
This is the kind of person I am.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ง€๋‚œ ์ฃผ์— ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ด ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ–ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
CA: So you spoke to me last week about these two guys.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ์ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
Who are they and how do you relate to them?
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์ด๊ฑด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ง„๋ถ€ํ•œ ์–˜๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ…Œ์Šฌ๋ผ ๋Œ€ ์—๋””์Šจ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋‚˜ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ํ…Œ์Šฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ง€๋ช…์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณผํ•™์ž์ด๊ณ , ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋งจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
LT: Well, so this is kind of clichรฉ in technology, the whole Tesla versus Edison, where Tesla is seen as the visionary scientist and crazy idea man.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ํ…Œ์Šฌ๋ผ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And people love Tesla.
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๊ทธ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๋”ฐ์„œ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ช…์„ ์ง“๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
I mean, there are people who name their companies after him.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์—๋””์Šจ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋กœ ์ž์ฃผ ๋น„๋‚œ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ์ผ ์ž˜ ์ธ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๊ทธ์˜ ๋ช…์–ธ์ด "์ฒœ์žฌ๋Š” 1%์˜ ์˜๊ฐ๊ณผ, 99%์˜ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง„๋‹ค."์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
The other person there is Edison, who is actually often vilified for being kind of pedestrian and is -- I mean, his most famous quote is, "Genius is one percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration."
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์ €๋„ ์—๋””์Šจ ํŽธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋น„๋ก ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
And I'm in the Edison camp, even if people don't always like him.
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๋‘˜์„ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด ํ…Œ์Šฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์ตœ๊ทผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์‚ฌ๋กœ์žก๊ณ ๋Š” ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ณ€ํ™”์‹œํ‚จ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
Because if you actually compare the two, Tesla has kind of this mind grab these days, but who actually changed the world?
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์—๋””์Šจ์€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์ข‹์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง€์‹์ด ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ง€๋ช…์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
Edison may not have been a nice person, he did a lot of things -- he was maybe not so intellectual, not so visionary.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ…Œ์Šฌ๋ผ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์—๋””์Šจ ์ชฝ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
But I think I'm more of an Edison than a Tesla.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ TED์˜ ์ฃผ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฟˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ , ์šฉ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ , ๋Œ€๋‹ดํ•œ ๊ฟˆ.
CA: So our theme at TED this week is dreams -- big, bold, audacious dreams.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด์•ผ๋ง๋กœ ์ด ์ฃผ์ œ์˜ ์ข…๊ฒฐ์ž์‹œ๊ตฐ์š”.
You're really the antidote to that.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์˜ˆ, ์กฐ๊ธˆ์”ฉ ์ž์ œํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅ ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
LT: I'm trying to dial it down a bit, yes.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
CA: That's good.
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์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
We embrace you, we embrace you.
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