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python_kiss
2007-03-09T16:30:33
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Oh and for Star Trek lovers, please visit: http://shuzak.com/UniversalSearch.php?query=star&Type=Communities<p>lol.
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pg
2007-03-09T16:30:46
Customer Value and the Network Effect
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jcwentz
2007-03-09T16:33:48
US Workers Hate Their Jobs More Than Ever
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msgbeepa
2007-03-09T16:37:10
The First Song Someone Wrote About Google
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aristus
2007-03-09T16:37:59
Startup Culture vs the Art of Software
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danw
2007-03-09T16:43:08
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Also: This facebook group doesn't mean that YCN is missing some feature that fbook groups has. Being a member of a group in facebook is mainly about identity creation and signaling. It's so that anyone viewing my profile know that I'm into this 'YC news' thing.<p>Edit: Looks like theres a new post on the facebook blog about how groups are used: http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=2249512130. "On the other hand, groups can be great just to declare an affiliation, such as my obsession with Thin Mints."
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pg
2007-03-09T16:45:54
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Comparing investors to record labels etc is a little harsh. They're notorious for leaving bands with nothing. Whereas as rich as investors get from startups, founders get richer. (Myspace is a famous exception precisely because it's an exception.) Two YC startups have gotten bought so far, and the founders made a lot more than we did.
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T16:56:07
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Seth Godin operates one of the most famous blogs in the world. To be honest, I don't think his posts warrant the popularity his blog receives. Seth is a great guy, but his ideas are somewhat redundant.<p>Books by Seth that I highly recommend:<p>1. Permission Marketing<p>2. All Marketers are Liars<p>3. Purple Cow<p>4. Small is the new big<p>Books by Seth that I do not recommend:<p>1. The Big Moo<p>2. Free prize inside<p>3. Idea virus<p>4. The Bootstrapper's Bible (I am not finished reading this one, so don't take my advice on it)<p>I ended up writing him an email explaining my frustration over "The Big Moo" and "Free prize inside".
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prashantdesale
2007-03-09T17:00:25
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So when I was reading Book "The Perfect Store" by Adam Cohen, I found out that similar was the Situation for Ebay. John Stokes joined later than Pierre Omidyar, so they decided with different equity levels. I guess it was 28/72. Not sure..
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aristus
2007-03-09T17:01:56
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Si, a little harsh. You are not Lou Pearlman. I am trying to get at the effect of fashion and the star-making network on how "talent" behaves and the art advances. <p>It's a great time to start a startup. You can get going on the cheap, just as a band can get their equipment from the pawn shop and start off at their favorite bar. But to keep going, to scale and get that big prize you need to embed yourself into the larger network of financiers & promoters. <p>At times you position YC as an alternative to the VC world, when it's really a leg up into it. Is VC pressure to hire a CEO that different from replacing Pete Best with Ringo?
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davidw
2007-03-09T17:04:55
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This is relevant:<p>http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/jul06/4109
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Readmore
2007-03-09T17:05:26
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That is a really amazing speech. I had not seen it yet, so posting it at least brought it to the attention of one new person. Thanks!
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nostrademons
2007-03-09T17:06:25
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This article has some wonderful correlation-vs-causation confusion, eg.<p>"Job-satisfaction levels tend to rise as the hours worked per week increase" could be better phrased as "People work more hours per day as their job satisfaction rises (but start to hate their jobs once they start working 60+ hours per week)"<p>and <p>"respondents who expect to remain in their current position a year from now reported higher satisfaction levels" could be better phrased as "People with low job satisfaction do not intend to remain in their current position a year from now."
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T17:14:17
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A similar argument was raised on another blog, to which Adam Siegel left an appropriate reply. Have a look:<p>http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/02/22/are-nathan-kontny-and-adam-siegel-of-inkling-markets-being-exploited-by-paul-grahams-y-combinator/<p>Like most other hackers, I am not applying to YC for the investment. 5000(1 + n) is really not a large sum. In fact, I already have half that amount sitting in my bank account (student fees, :p). Our reason for applying to YC is to have the opportunity to create something larger than us (apologies for the cliche). There is no better place to do it than through Y Combinator. YC works at the same wavelength as its hackers; that is a considerable difference between a VC and Y Combinator.<p>If you were an aspiring hip/hop musician, would you rather go to Shady Records for a record label or Donald Trump?
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T17:22:22
The mathematical explanation behind "Y Combinator" function
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T17:23:58
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From wikipedia's article on Lambda calculus:<p>"..in other words, f must expand to g(f). This call to g will then expand to the above factorial function and calculate down to another level of recursion. In that expansion the function f will appear again, and will again expand to g(f) and continue the recursion. This kind of function, where f = g(f), is called a fixed-point of g, and it turns out that it can be implemented in the lambda calculus using what is known as the paradoxical operator or fixed-point operator and is represented as Y -- the Y combinator."
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totoro
2007-03-09T17:24:32
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I got an email as well, and I'm looking forward to it. I'm in the Bay Area, so the drive is short. Did you fill out the RSVP link yet?
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prashantdesale
2007-03-09T17:32:05
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Yes I am in Silicon Valley.
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RMena
2007-03-09T17:32:11
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I will be going! My name is Robert from Phoenix, Arizona our site is TallStreet.com, if anyone cares.
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sethjohn
2007-03-09T17:33:04
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I'll be 'attending'...via podcast.<p>When I first got involved with a proto-startup (redundant?) I came across a podcast of some previous year and it was by far the best crash course in startup business I've seen.<p>Has there only been one previous year? Other online?
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nostrademons
2007-03-09T17:34:31
5 Quick Pointers on Startup Hiring
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aristus
2007-03-09T17:36:02
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Sure, sure, it's a good gig, and more help than you get from a bank or Uncle Ralph. I am not too worried about how the pie is cut, but more about the fact that without involvement from the network, everyone says you have no chance at all. That influences which projects we kids think about, what talents we choose to develop, and so on. Just like the music biz.
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argon
2007-03-09T17:42:06
O'Reilly launches venture fund: O'Reilly AlphaTech Ventures
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juwo
2007-03-09T17:44:27
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Isnt Facebook for College students; What about the rest of us - How can we join?
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comatose_kid
2007-03-09T17:46:37
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Why enter a business competition if your competitors are weak? What exactly will you learn from the experience? <p>Having your friend present for might be ethical, assuming your friend states that it isn't his business plan that he is presenting upfront to the judges. But as a judge, my first thought would be 'If this person's business plan is so wonderful, why can't he even give it the importance to present it himself?', regardless of the excuse. So it seems kind of scattered to try to do both things simultaneously in this fashion.<p>Okay, here's what I would do: put the business plan competition out of my head, and focus my energy on making the most of the startup school experience. Forget about the prize money - you'll have lots of opportunity to make money, but fewer opportunities to get the kind of experience / contacts startup school might bring.<p>Good luck.
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chiefwhite
2007-03-09T17:47:55
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Guys I missed the deadline for application. If anyone got approved but can't attend, please, I'd be very thankful to you for sharing your invite with me, I can even consider buying it! Thanks! Please drop me a few words to [email protected]
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chiefwhite
2007-03-09T17:49:02
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Guys I missed the deadline for application. If anyone got approved but can't attend, please, I'd be very thankful to you for sharing your invite with me, I can even consider buying it! Thanks! Please drop me a few words to [email protected]
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nickb
2007-03-09T17:51:37
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Does YC offer $5K per founder for ~6% or 6% for $10K?<p>Some of these apps are very cool though!
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chiefwhite
2007-03-09T17:52:53
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Guys I missed the deadline for application. If anyone got approved but can't attend, please, I'd be very thankful to you for sharing your invite with me, I can even consider buying it! Thanks! Please drop me a few words to [email protected]
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chiefwhite
2007-03-09T17:53:22
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Guys I missed the deadline for application. If anyone got approved but can't attend, please, I'd be very thankful to you for sharing your invite with me, I can even consider buying it! Thanks! Please drop me a few words to [email protected]
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brett
2007-03-09T17:59:17
Humanized Weblog: Command Line for the Common Man: The Command Line Comeback
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carefreeliving
2007-03-09T17:59:37
Publishing Is To 2007 As eCommerce Was to 1997
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sharpshoot
2007-03-09T18:02:40
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With auctomatic thats not the only string to their bow. Go Kul & Harj..!
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Sam_Odio
2007-03-09T18:03:16
Going to startup school? Add your bios here...
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http://startup_weekend.bluwiki.com/
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Sam_Odio
2007-03-09T18:19:37
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Coming from Wash DC...<p>Just made a wiki so we can all coordinate stuff to do and share rides: http://startup_weekend.bluwiki.com/
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danielha
2007-03-09T18:22:10
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Facebook is now open to all users. I think the best place to organize would be somewhere we could add information and organize, such as the Infogami Wiki.
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Sam_Odio
2007-03-09T18:28:47
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chiefwhite,<p>last time I went (in 2005), there was absolutely no security and plenty of free chairs. Anyone could've easily shown up without being questioned...<p>I don't know if it will be the same this year, but if you're in the area maybe you can try showing up?<p>Who knows... if they catch you... maybe PG will appreciate your hacker-ish persistence :)
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brett
2007-03-09T18:30:24
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The part about 30boxes and Google Calendar's quick add features brings the point together: "The quick-add feature doesn't even really feel like an interface, which is the highest compliment an interface can get: the better an interface is, the less it's noticed."<p>Clearly many tasks will be more efficient if you can convince people to type instead of clicking around a bunch. The trick is setting it up in such a way that what they have to type is completely intuitive. Almost as if they are typing out what they want done in natural language.
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carefreeliving
2007-03-09T18:31:02
5 Quick Pointers On Startup Hiring
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danielha
2007-03-09T18:36:33
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They offer $5000 + $5000n, where n is the number of founders. The percentage claim ranges between 1-10%, with the reported median at about 6%.
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danielha
2007-03-09T18:39:03
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View3 is one that I'm particularly looking out for. The premise just sounds completely awesome.<p>I've tried Microsoft's Photosynth and I was pretty impressed. I can't wait to see what the team behind View3 has come up with.
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nostrademons
2007-03-09T18:44:10
What should you *not* skimp on?
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Sam_Odio
2007-03-09T18:44:31
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Hey guys,<p>I just set up a wiki to discuss getting together: http://startup_weekend.bluwiki.com/go/Startup_Weekend/Events<p>I was thinking we could grab coffee at 8, and then walk over to the auditorium together. Who's in?
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jamiequint
2007-03-09T18:48:29
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Facebook became un-exclusive middle of last year sometime, you can just go and sign up
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Sam_Odio
2007-03-09T18:49:05
Want to get coffee the morning of startup school?
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acgourley
2007-03-09T18:54:46
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0 users for the YC community, 5 for star trek<p>Kidding. I'll check it out if its really 85% hackers.
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phil
2007-03-09T19:06:47
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No prob, now I just need to find time to use it myself!
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imp
2007-03-09T19:31:20
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"Woz (Apple). All the best things I did at Apple came from (a) not having money, and (b) not having done it before, ever."<p>There's a lot of poor, inexperienced people here in Cleveland. I wonder why it hasn't become a start-up hub...
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danielha
2007-03-09T19:39:14
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The great thing about being a startup is that you can skimp on many things. Being cheap (many of us have no other choice) forces us to optimize and scrutinize the details.<p>That's why we can create some cool things that are also efficient with little resources. Big companies will dump a lot of money to realize the same results.<p>Since a lot of us are doing software and web stuff, there isn't a lot of cost-related items we shouldn't skimp out on. We can even skimp on hardware in the early stages (just make sure to have the appropriate servers for launch).<p>What we really should not skimp out on is fundamental decisions in design -- in our code and in our "backbone" implementation. These things are addressable later too, but it could cause headaches. The next thing is relationships and talent. Don't compromise on your founding team in regards to talent or passion. Don't insist on making it work when it's for the wrong reasons. A team needs cohesion.
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Pinny
2007-03-09T19:43:52
5 Reasons Internet Brands Have Better Loyalty
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arasakik
2007-03-09T19:45:30
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I'm sure pg has thought of this already, but it seems like there is a demand for more community features surrounding YC news. Unlike everyone else creating social networks for the sake of creating a social network, it looks as though you might be able to grow one organically here.
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prashantdesale
2007-03-09T19:50:17
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I'll be there. I am working on Social Marketplace called Onista. http://www.onista.com
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pg
2007-03-09T19:50:51
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Hmmm. In 1997 I was writing ecommerce software, and now I'm working on a news site...
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pg
2007-03-09T19:53:22
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We know these guys pretty well and we like them. They understand hackers better than most VCs.
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Alex3917
2007-03-09T20:00:10
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Probably, but why bother. I think most of the target demographic here is already happy with Facebook, so it would be easier just to add a permanent link to the Facebook group in the footer. Reimplimenting Facebook just leaves users with (n + 1) profiles to keep up-to-date. I suppose you could use the Facebook API to grab people's profile pictures and interests and contact info and stick them in each user's news.YC profile, but I think more than that is unnecessary.
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amichail
2007-03-09T20:33:07
Is Silicon Valley a meritocracy? How can it be if it is based on social networking?
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pg
2007-03-09T20:35:03
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While DH is a smart guy, one of our rules of thumb at YC is to be skeptical of any application containing the phrase "semantic web." It's a bad idea magnet the way AI was in the 1980s.
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amichail
2007-03-09T20:37:21
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BTW, this might make some interesting reading: http://www.stanford.edu/group/esrg/siliconvalley/docs/siliconvalleyedge.pdf
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pg
2007-03-09T20:38:31
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That is what I'm thinking about right now. We said explicitly when we started news.yc that one goal was to get to know founders before they applied to us. I think I'll add messaging next. If anyone has suggestions about how it should work, or other community features we should add, just let us know in this thread.
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sharpshoot
2007-03-09T20:39:34
personal guidelines (by justin kan - kiko cofounder)
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bortega
2007-03-09T20:40:41
This is our responsibility
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http://www.strategy-business.com/press/16635507/05410
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bortega
2007-03-09T20:43:56
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Read this article over a year ago and I revisit it every couple of months to remind me of why I stay up late researching the ideas in my head. Some look good, some don't but at the end of the day, opportunity is around us all. Read it, it's worth the time.
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pg
2007-03-09T20:45:34
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Actually this year we're tightening up security a bit.<p>Please don't just show up. It's very nice of Stanford to lend us the auditorium, and we don't want to be bad citizens. If we have too many people for the room, the campus police won't like it.
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pg
2007-03-09T20:47:57
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Both are true, but there's no contradiction: people are selective about who they "network" with, and they select based on ability.
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pg
2007-03-09T20:56:02
YC News Traffic So Far
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amichail
2007-03-09T21:11:16
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But then you could miss out on more qualified people who are not in your immediate social network. It seems wrong for example that most VCs will only take you seriously if you are introduced to them via someone they know.
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zach
2007-03-09T21:11:41
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Hey bgold, the BarCamp monthly dinners are a pretty good venue for that kind of meetup. I went to one in January - it was pretty cool and I'm planning on being at the next one. Unfortunately, BarCamp LA itself is the same weekend as Startup School. But the monthly dinner is the Tuesday before:<p>http://barcamp.org/BarCampLosAngeles
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mattculbreth
2007-03-09T21:14:59
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I assume they are closer to the traditional VCs in their model and not as much seed funders like Y Combinator. Is that your understanding as well Paul?
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arasakik
2007-03-09T21:15:35
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What about providing a way for YC news to identify other users who potentially share the same interests as me? Basically, the set of links which I have upmodded provides YC news with a set of potential topics that I am interested in. Naively comparing this group of links that I have upmodded with that of another user may potentially provide a non-null intersection and show possible common interests; thus, that other user may be someone I am interested in collaborating with. <p>Now that I think about it, another benefit of this is that more relevant news may be surfaced to me - if person X and person Y have a largely overlapping set of upmodded links, then perhaps the set (X-Y) may also be interesting to person Y, and vice versa. Perhaps this could be a way to deal with the perceived quality of news degrading as a site gets more popular as well, as it would allow the system to break off into smaller clusters of news items/people, where each item may be highly relevant to those who belong to the cluster.<p>Sorry to ramble on like that - I don't expect (or necessarily want) such a complicated feature to be a part of the obviously minimal YC news site...just thought I'd bring it up for discussion.<p>Edit: Used in combination with jwrecker's idea of having a more personal space, this could be a great startup idea - instead of YC News determining your set of links, it could simply be the set of links you post to your personal space :D
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jeffrese
2007-03-09T21:16:00
Y Combinator: Discussion
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jeffrese
2007-03-09T21:17:04
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Drag and Drop doesn't work in IE. Creat a new favorite with javascript:window.location=%22http://news.ycombinator.com/submitlink?u=%22+encodeURIComponent(document.location)+%22&t=%22+encodeURIComponent(document.title)
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notabel
2007-03-09T21:17:42
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Disclaimer: I admire Daniel Hillis greatly, perhaps irrationally.<p>That said, Metaweb sounds amazing. If it takes off, it will be not so much a useful product in itself, but an enabling technology for an entirely new class of products. Imagine the possibilities that arise from having a relatively complete, constantly evolving ontology of everything. All of those nifty tricks that computational linguists and proof theoreticians can do over finite domains, using very limited ontologies, become possible for all sorts of other applications. Armed with an ontology that closely matches the real world, it is finally possible to write code that can reason about the real world, rather than just throw Bayes law at it and hope something useful falls out.
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jeffrese
2007-03-09T21:20:35
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Great List; Thanks Brian!
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notabel
2007-03-09T21:24:30
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From an HCI standpoint this would be tricky, but it would be great to have a system for handling dupes and near-dupes by merging their comment pages. For instance, right now there are two articles about the recent demo of Metaweb/freebase. I commented on one of them, returned to the mainpage, and realized that the other (which also had no comments) was now higher ranked.<p>This raises a quandry as to whether I should cross-post, or just move on and hope that the discussion happens in the one I picked.<p>(Note, this is the harder case, of near-dupes: the two articles are different, but \begin{precog} most of the discussion will be about the product they reference.\end{precog} Hence it is semantically reasonable to merge their comment threads.)<p>So, as a oneliner: add a way to merge duplicate articles.
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mattculbreth
2007-03-09T21:25:27
Another article on Freebase (and Web 3.0--how did I miss that?)
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http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/03/freebase_and_we.php
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notabel
2007-03-09T21:25:46
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I'm going to go ahead and cross-post this from the other article about freebase.<p>Disclaimer: I admire Daniel Hillis greatly, perhaps irrationally.<p>That said, Metaweb sounds amazing. If it takes off, it will be not so much a useful product in itself, but an enabling technology for an entirely new class of products. Imagine the possibilities that arise from having a relatively complete, constantly evolving ontology of everything. All of those nifty tricks that computational linguists and proof theoreticians can do over finite domains, using very limited ontologies, become possible for all sorts of other applications. Armed with an ontology that closely matches the real world, it is finally possible to write code that can reason about the real world, rather than just throw Bayes law at it and hope something useful falls out.
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Readmore
2007-03-09T21:27:18
Cringely talks about Video Decoding/Encoding Hardware in all new Macs
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http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070308_001806.html
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mattculbreth
2007-03-09T21:27:52
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I like it, but is this a duplication of efforts from that Facebook page I saw earlier? We probably ought to standardize on one place. I personally like Wikis for this type of business.
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notabel
2007-03-09T21:29:13
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You're right, of course (and I need not point out the irony that DH was in deep with AI), but I'm holding out hope (and not just because I'm bitter that the Connection Machine failed!). The main reason (in my opinion) that the semantic web has failed so far is the reliance on 1) predefined, very limited ontologies, and 2) creator-generated rich metadata. Freebase seems to me like, if not the solution, at least a good step in the right direction in terms of addressing these. The real question, of course, will be whether a userbase springs up to keep it up to date, and whether the logic behind it can keep it reasonably self-consistent.<p>Here's to hoping.
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Readmore
2007-03-09T21:29:58
NetTunes - Lend your music online so you can listen to everyone elses
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http://www.nettunes.net/
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Sam_Odio
2007-03-09T21:30:49
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You're right - there is some duplication, but I think the wiki and fb event page can compliment each-other.<p>It's hard to contact the other members on the FB event page, unless you're friends w/ them. Hopefully this will allow everyone to easily share contact info.
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juwo
2007-03-09T21:34:25
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Yes, I did go there and was surprised it did not ask me for my school name. Thanks.
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arasakik
2007-03-09T21:44:22
Seattle startup event "for geeks, techies, and makers"
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http://www.igniteseattle.com
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notabel
2007-03-09T21:52:38
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Based on the fund size they are discussing, I'd say that's a pretty good bet. For the startup community, I think that's a good thing. While competition in the seed/angel space is fine and dandy, having a VC firm headed by someone has hacker-aware as Tim O'Reilly seems like a definite win.
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herdrick
2007-03-09T21:55:01
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The story of search is not finished.
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notabel
2007-03-09T21:55:12
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There was once upon a time a bit of rumbling about getting Jython going on javame. I don't think anything ever came of it, and if standard Jython is any indication, it would have been, as you said, /very/ slow.
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notabel
2007-03-09T21:58:23
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Interesting...could someone who's been around longer than I have take a stab at assigning some of those peaks to real-world events? I'm particularly interested in the peak near the end of February, and the following trough.
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prashantdesale
2007-03-09T22:00:00
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Where is the info about "business plan competition"?
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juwo
2007-03-09T22:06:57
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Ah, yes... we are fickle. :)<p>Actually, yes. Paul Graham, sir, why dont you take a look at Yahoo Answers? It is hugely popular and in a very short time. If you think of a Yahoo Question as corresponding to a YC Article, and our YC comments equivalent to the Yahoo answers, then it's not too hard to see how you could improve. Interesting thought now - what prevents you from copying every feature on Yahoo Answers?
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davidw
2007-03-09T22:14:08
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You really have to start with a *small* core language, or you will end up with something on your phone that's "sort of" Python/Tcl/Ruby/whatever. Hecl isn't a speed demon on a slow phone, but it is still usable.
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Readmore
2007-03-09T22:18:14
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I think it sounds like a pretty interesting idea. I'm excited to get my hands on the API and see what kind of information you can really pull out of it.
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pg
2007-03-09T22:23:10
March 10: Meet YC partner Jessica Livingston in Berkeley
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http://www.foundersatwork.com/dalloway.html
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pg
2007-03-09T22:24:20
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I think it was an O'Reilly blog post about news.yc.
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juwo
2007-03-09T22:24:54
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notabel
2007-03-09T22:27:17
Study: Abandoning net neutrality discourages improvements in service
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http://news.ufl.edu/2007/03/07/net-neutrality/
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domp
2007-03-09T22:32:11
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Even after reading the FAQs I don't see how this is legal. I'm pretty sure you still need a blanket license to give access to major label music. Seems to me that you can download music off of other people like a p2p.without paying royalties.
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danielha
2007-03-09T22:40:30
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It's been on my calendar for about a week now. I'll be driving over to Berkeley tomorrow morning to spend the day. Will you be there for her presentation, Paul?
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danielha
2007-03-09T22:43:03
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Ah, your website answered my question. Looking forward to it.<p>And of course, I'm going to want you to sign my copy of the book as well!
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aran
2007-03-09T22:45:17
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Would anyone care to toss out an evaluation of how worthwhile it is? I want to attend, but I would be taking days off from school and traveling from east-central Canada. (Very Expensive!) Feel free to drop me an email at [email protected] if you don't want to be public with your opinions. Thanks!
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msgbeepa
2007-03-09T22:49:33
Free Visual Directory
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