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pashle
2007-03-09T08:25:34
Web 2.0 companies face a problem: too many users in the wrong countries (Updated Dead Link)
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jwecker
2007-03-09T08:27:54
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Perfect timing- I really needed this article.<p>nah. just kidding.
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dfranke
2007-03-09T08:27:57
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Right. That's what I meant by "spammers correlate with each other". I'd be very surprised if content-based filtering were useful for catching voting rings. You can use graph-theoretic metrics to catch them, but unlike spammers, identifying one doesn't obviously help you identify others.
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jjwiseman
2007-03-09T08:28:09
John Doerr's Startup Manual
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pashle
2007-03-09T08:28:21
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Here's the updated link, after the original submission 5 hours ago by marcel stopped working. Thanks marcel, and enjoy the article guys!
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ced
2007-03-09T08:31:40
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Maybe it's better to take a loan from them with clearly defined terms. That way, if all fails, you can get a job and pay it back. No emotional damage.
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2007-03-09T08:35:03
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I just got the email saying I was invited to the startup school, I got to admit Im really excited about it all. Im from phoenix, Arizona so I guess I can drive up to it. So, Im guessing this trip better get me some connections of some sort I cant waste time, gotta hand out my thoughts, ideas and maybe a so called business card. I cant wait!
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jwecker
2007-03-09T08:36:56
Web 2.1 upgrade
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ced
2007-03-09T09:00:08
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This is a nice idea, but I feel that they will face the same problems as reddit, except that the users will be extra angry because their money is involved. Good luck to them.<p>Maybe it would help to have a Real Name tag like Amazon.
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2007-03-09T09:19:16
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About half the points raised here revolve around moral/intellectual support. Has anyone tried, as a single founder, to work in tandem with another single founder? (i.e.: two startups, one roof)
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davidw
2007-03-09T09:19:58
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I'm very curious about this tsumobi thing, as it's basically exactly what Hecl is ( http://www.hecl.org ). I'd sort of abbandoned it as an idea for making any money with directly, though, figuring the advantage was just to be able to develop applications a lot faster. I was able to prototype ShopList ( http://shoplist.dedasys.com ) in a few minutes with it, for example.<p>Edit: BTW, I'd certainly be interested in chatting with the Tsumobi folks. It's a good idea - perhaps there are elements in common that can be reused from/added to Hecl, which is open source under a very liberal license, meaning you can take it and include it even in 'commercial' apps.<p>I really think that the 'common' bits in a space like that have to be either free or open source (think about browsers, html, javascript, java applets, etc...), and that that's not where the money is.
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2007-03-09T09:35:32
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Maybe I'm out of touch, but I don't perceive bloggers to be "rivals".<p>Links show what the author is reading. If I can relate to him, then I will likely read the post to see what it adds to the discussion.
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mattculbreth
2007-03-09T09:36:04
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I'll be there.
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danielha
2007-03-09T09:37:05
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I don't think the lack of an idea patent is discouraging anyone from pursuing startups. If someone had a truly great idea, they would pursue it and patent the implementation.<p>Ideas patent would just result in a patent for every trivial idea out there, severely limiting people who can actually execute it.
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jamiequint
2007-03-09T09:49:01
Facebook Group - Startup School 2007
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T09:57:15
A nice podcast with the author of "Founders at Work" (Jessica Livingstone)
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T10:01:24
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I am Jawad Shuaib on there. Introduce yourself as well :)
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:03:58
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"perhaps it should only be accessible by top users [...]"<p>Boy, I don't like that idea. I don't think content control will be a huge problem with YC News. We are all like-minded individuals here. The last thing we need is senseless aristocracy.
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:04:45
Creating Passionate Users: You ARE a marketer. Deal with it.
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:07:22
News as a social play: Here comes MySpace News
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http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/news-as-a-social-play-here-comes-myspace-news/
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:08:27
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I am, well... it shouldn't be too hard to match me to my user name here.
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:09:57
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Great submission, thanks. Just finished my fourth interview in this book tonight.
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:12:08
My Yahoo! Gets Web 2.0 Makeover
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:15:03
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I definitely recommend FireBug. It is, as the article states, a dream extension for Firefox. After it becomes second nature to use, you'll wonder how you got by without it. (Probably quite fine, but the app is great!)
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:19:53
61 Interviews with Founders of Web 2.0 Websites
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T10:25:30
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Looks awesome! My favorite are,<p>Writewith: Google docs is a great application. But it is very limiting when it comes to collaboration. I have recently setup an article with an editor and 6 contributing authors; I know the collaboration on Google docs for such a project is going to be hell.<p>Octopart: I love vertical search engines since they have the potential to compete with mainstream search engines. Moreover, as an engineer and electronics enthusiast, I've always had trouble locating components, so Octopart will certainly come in handy. In fact, I am going to go ahead and recommend it to my EE friends.<p>Auctomatic: I am not a power user on eBay, but from the sound of it, this startup really has something going for them. There is a definite need for streamlining the process of listing on eBay. The downside is that their exit strategy is limited to eBay and perhaps a few other smaller companies.
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:26:24
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"In the world today, there's plenty of technology, plenty of entrepreneurs, plenty of money, plenty of venture capital. What's in short supply is great teams. Your biggest challenge will be building a great team. There's enormous change underway in every facet of the world. Some is technology driven, some is market driven. All that change creates unprecedented opportunity. But to take full advantage of those opportunities, focus on the team. Teams win."<p>I'll refer future askers of "Do I need a co-founder" to that. They can get what they will from that.<p>I've been reading Jessica Livingston's Founders at Work and these interviews have pretty much reaffirmed that statement from Doerr. The perseverance and the great team relationships involved are what made some of these early startups. Without that, sometimes you're just a guy with a great idea.
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:28:53
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Yeah, the times that Moore's Law has "become irrelevant" are usually the same times that it has become as "applicable as ever." People just love to announce!
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:32:23
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From http://www.paulgraham.com/startupmistakes.html:<p>"3. Marginal Niche<p>Most of the groups that apply to Y Combinator suffer from a common problem: choosing a small, obscure niche in the hope of avoiding competition."<p>---<p>Usually the problem isn't that the market is too big, it's that the company is too scattered in focus. If you know your product well and you know its target, big playing fields are not a problem. You can be a small niche player and still be all over the place in delivery.
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:37:08
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Not the best article, and this frankly this has been discussed to death.<p>Still, I'll say it here too. There's not a bubble because this is not a fad wave. The iconic Web 2.0-style and buzz words will fade with time, but this is a natural evolution of the web. The "next generation" of websites will soon just be known as the "current generation." <p>Products are actually being delivered and money is being made. It's real popular right now, as things tend to get -- but there's not going to be a pop.
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:41:21
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You definitely need a constant drive, but I don't think it has to be fear.<p>The fear you should have is not being able to make rent or buy food. You should fear having to go back to your cubicle job or the lecture hall at school. Know that a startup lifestyle is for you, and fear going back to the life you didn't want. Fear these and that will keep you reaching to succeed.
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jamiequint
2007-03-09T10:41:53
Startup School Dilemma
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jamiequint
2007-03-09T10:44:20
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I just realized a business plan competition I entered is on March 24th too, the competition is pretty weak and the top two prizes are $5k and $1.5k plus some legal and accounting work (about $2k-$4k worth), I'm thinking about having one of my friends present for me, but its not the same as the passion I have for it. (although I still think it has a decent shot of winning if he presents it) I already bought my plane ticket for Startup School....what would you do?
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T10:45:12
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I will hopefully get "Founders at Work" by March 14th. It is actually a birthday gift from my sister :p (along with 3 other books). I can't wait to get my hands on it `:D
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:47:06
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I would attend the competition if I felt I had a strong chance.
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:50:16
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I clicked 'reply' to recommend you an interview to start with, since I began reading out of order.<p>But no need -- start from the beginning and work your way in. They're all gems. There's a nice introduction from pg himself too.
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T10:50:25
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Thank you danielha! keep up the great posts
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:53:06
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I thought using my full name as my user name would make it easier to meet the new community. I wonder if anyone actually reads it as Daniel_Ha. :)<p>(you're welcome, Jawad)
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danielha
2007-03-09T10:58:27
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I haven't, though it slightly rings a bell. I referred to the Wikipedia article on it and it reports a US pilot has just been filmed last month. I'll keep my eye on that one.
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T10:59:06
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I read about this on a post titled "MySpace News: The Digg Killer?" The comments on Mashable are worth checking out:<p>http://mashable.com/2007/03/08/myspace-news/<p>By their own contention, MySpace is a "place for friends". I am not sure what NewsCorp has in mind, but this is certainly not a direction that will appeal to teens. Companies that try to appeal to everyone end up losing market share to smaller more focused startups.
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T11:01:51
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Actually, Daniel, I thought about it but then I wasn't sure if your name is Daniel or Daniela (male vs. female). Sorry :p
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danielha
2007-03-09T11:02:42
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All man, man.
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T11:08:42
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That's awesome Daniel! I am currently busy reading "Small is the new big", "The Wisdom of Crowds" and "Unleashing the ideavirus" but I will drop all these as soon as this book arrives. I hope the content is thought provoking.
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palish
2007-03-09T11:13:45
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I'll be there. I'm from St Louis, MO, so it'll be refreshing to get out of the midwest ;)
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T11:25:25
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The best way to build a company is not by going after an existing category, but by creating a new category you can be first in. In the struggle for life, no two startups can occupy the same position. If they try to do so, one company will drive the other to extinction.<p>Now this does not mean that you can go ahead and invent some "obscure niche". A startup that serves a market too small and of little interest may never gain the traction to reach a tipping point.<p>Competition is a good thing. It takes a George Foreman to make a Muhammad Ali. Strong competition validates the smaller player. I will go as far as to suggest that without Digg, Reddit would've had a difficult time gaining wide angle attention from the blogosphere. However, competition should be avoided where it makes sense. In other words, don't consciously look for it.
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wensing
2007-03-09T11:25:56
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See you there (from Florida).
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danielha
2007-03-09T11:33:08
O'Reilly Previews Freebase ("appears to be a bastard child of wikipedia and the Open Directory Project")
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danw
2007-03-09T11:36:54
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It sounds a lot like the idea I was going to apply to YC with, bugger.<p>If you want fast prototyping for mobile I'd recommend using python on a nokia S60. Theres pretty much a full hardware api allowing you to access the camera, phone book, etc.
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jwecker
2007-03-09T11:44:03
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not me. IMO the connections and perspective of startup school would be more valuable than the presentation ('course I don't know exactly who you're presenting to so I could be wrong). Not to minimize the difficulty of pulling together money sometimes, but it seems that if your idea is worth much it shouldn't be a big deal drumming up 10k somewhere else.
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jwecker
2007-03-09T11:50:18
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Man Daniel. I'm going to be up all night.
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danielha
2007-03-09T11:58:29
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I'm not dismissing the benefits of Startup School (I'm excited to be attending myself); however, if I constructed a business plan that I believed to be a winner, I would see it through to the end myself.
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davidw
2007-03-09T11:58:51
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Hecl doesn't require Symbian, though - you can run it even on cheaper phones like my Nokia 3100.
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robertgaal
2007-03-09T12:07:27
When to buy what in a start-up, and who pays for it?
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staunch
2007-03-09T12:08:00
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This is a great list. Thank you.
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robertgaal
2007-03-09T12:20:25
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This is a problem I have right now in my current start-up, Wakoopa.<p>We're currently working on a thematic social site, which will launch in about a month. We've had a small investor gives us some seed money, which could last us for about a year. We both have our personal laptops to develop it. I use a 17" Acer, my partner has a 13" Macbook. He sometimes uses an extra screen, property of another company at our shared office, a 20". This ofcourse saves him a lot of stress and lets him develop somewhat faster.<p>We'd like to buy him an extra screen of course, but is this really fitting for a small start-up that isn't earning money yet? We've got the budget, but should it be tapped into? And of course: who pays for this thing? Should we just order it through our company and forget about it, or do we hold it in on my partners (very modest) salary? <p>This all has to do with your personal guidelines and budget, but what do you guys think? Buy the thing and be done with it, or be more thoughtful of what you spend in such an early stage?
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robertgaal
2007-03-09T12:25:30
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I actually know a Dutch social network that killed of their Spanish audience by targeting more on national events. It all depends on strategy I guess.
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wensing
2007-03-09T12:26:35
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Shouldn't be hard to match me up either. <p>my $me; my $last_name = $ynews_uid; our @facebook_names = importNames('Startup School 2007');<p>for my $facebook_name (@facebook_names) { if ($facebook_name ~= /Matthew $last_name/) { $me = $facebook_name; } }<p>print $me;
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jwecker
2007-03-09T12:31:39
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The idea is fundamentally disgusting. Giving someone a government enforced monopoly on a thought. It's not even interesting to speculate about- it's completely untenable- impossible to organize and define, impossible (and immoral) to enforce, and it would completely kill innovation and economic growth. All ideas are derived. [no offense, amichail- I know you were just throwing it out there]
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countavdhesh
2007-03-09T12:32:38
switch from php to ruby
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Alex3917
2007-03-09T13:03:45
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Very cool. This new crop of ventures is definitely the best yet.
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Alex3917
2007-03-09T13:08:04
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If it were me I'd fly out the morning of the day before, schmooze with the people who were around all day, and then skip the presentations and take a red eye back a few hours later in time for the contest. But then again I'm kind of crazy like that.
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danw
2007-03-09T13:15:34
Five Principles to Design By
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danw
2007-03-09T13:17:04
3 Ways To Use Your Competition To Build Links & Targeted Traffic
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Alex3917
2007-03-09T13:17:45
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I added myself to the event even though I can't go this year. Feel free to add me as a friend though. :-)<p>/Alex Krupp
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danw
2007-03-09T13:18:20
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I believe I am "Dan W" over there :)
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pashle
2007-03-09T13:24:05
Ten Rules for Web Startups
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danw
2007-03-09T13:31:21
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I've just created a general YC news group on facebook called 'YC News Addicts' at http://bristol.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2253411233. <p>Some of us don't get to come to startup school but still want to get to know our fellow YC'ers.
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danw
2007-03-09T13:35:49
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True, getting stuff running on 'dumb' phones like the razr is crucial. Wonder if python could run on top of javame? I would anticipate it be very slow.
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bgold
2007-03-09T13:36:23
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it's not a real event until there's a facebook group for it!<p>i'm the guy with the profile picture of a bear.
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danw
2007-03-09T13:36:45
Why Apple is the best retailer in America
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danw
2007-03-09T13:39:29
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Perhaps they use highly advanced computers called 'humans'? :D
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danw
2007-03-09T13:40:56
YC News Facebook Group
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raju
2007-03-09T13:50:43
Start-Up Aims for Database to Automate Web Searching
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pashle
2007-03-09T14:01:56
'You've got to find what you love,' Jobs says (text only; video link in comments)
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pashle
2007-03-09T14:05:49
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Jobs' speech is about 1.5 years old. It's probably a classic for this audience, but the few who've slipped through the cracks must not be denied this utterly inspiring speech. We should be so lucky to one day be able to give a speech that chronicles a life of amazing achievements. Don't focus so much on whether what he's saying is true, of if you think he's this or that. All that matters is that if you feel something deep within you move, listen to THAT. <p>Also, here's the YouTube video of the speech - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1R-jKKp3NA<p>Do enjoy!
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nandan
2007-03-09T14:16:15
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I ll be there (from Atlanta,GA)
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Alex3917
2007-03-09T14:36:24
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If you liked this interview, Fast Company also published a "best of" of their last ten years.
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Elfan
2007-03-09T14:43:07
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I'll be coming from PA.
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Alex3917
2007-03-09T14:45:48
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IIRC, Seth Godin was a CS major in college though.<p>Don't forget, hacker originally meant someone who crawled around in steam tunnels. It really just means someone who explores and takes stuff apart because they want to learn how it works. That could be code, could be social systems.
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zaidf
2007-03-09T14:50:03
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I read this a couple times a month ever since I ran into it.<p>What I like about Jobs is that he has a story of ups and downs which better reflects the reality of the average entrepreneur than a one way constant linear progression.
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Alex3917
2007-03-09T14:50:30
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"That said, his book 'The Art of Start' did not live up to my expectations."<p>His book Selling the Dream is a lot more out there. A lot of his ideas has since been appropriated by others, so it's not entirely fresh. Still, there are some good things in that book that you won't find anywhere else. He has this huge list of people who told famous entrepreneurs their ideas sucked. Like, "I think there's a world market for maybe 5 computers." But about 100 of those quotes in a row. Including the quote where he turns down the chance to be CEO of Yahoo! because "there's no money in search and the commute is too far." :-)
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mynameishere
2007-03-09T14:55:13
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Another question: Let's say you've already spent considerable time (12-24 months, say) developing a product and then find somebody to partner with. What is the breakdown in company ownership? Certainly not 50/50 or even 60/40, I would think.
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PindaxDotCom
2007-03-09T15:06:28
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Always buy what you need to get the job done. If you're doing a web startup then you need the hardware and software. Get it, spend the money, and consider it an investment in your company. When it comes to having the right tools don't be cheap!
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acgourley
2007-03-09T15:16:54
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Yeah, I'm pretty impressed. I have to say some of the Y companies have tapped into my cynicism in the past.
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abstractbill
2007-03-09T15:19:09
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I'll be there.
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juwo
2007-03-09T15:19:44
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Isnt facebook only for college students? Why dont you put it somewhere else so that the rest of us can also join?
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veritas
2007-03-09T15:26:22
Seth Godin: Selling the Show
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T15:27:42
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YC represents a good demographic of undergrads, grads, and recently graduated students so I think it's a pretty good place to start it. Moreover, Facebook opened up to everyone two months ago.<p>Alternatively, if Danw prefers, we can start a YC group on my social network instead (Shuzak.com). People don't have to register to post there.
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amichail
2007-03-09T15:28:17
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"Like Photosynth, View3 will let you walk into and explore 3D images of photos, but will let you use as little as one photo to get started." This sounds very interesting. Maybe this is related work? <p>http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dhoiem/projects/popup/<p>http://www.ri.cmu.edu/pubs/pub_5164.html<p>http://www.robots.ox.ac.uk/~mukta/cvpr06/1123_Prasad_M.pdf
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acgourley
2007-03-09T15:33:52
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You can get the content of the presentations online later, if that is what you're after. <p>And honestly, it's not like you're going to be bumping into people with their checkbooks open, or something, at startup school.
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danw
2007-03-09T15:41:55
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Facebook is open for everyone but mainly used by students. I created the group after noticing how many people joined the startup school event. <p>Feel free to move over to shuzak, looks like it could become a great community and it matches the YCN demographic perfectly.
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veritas
2007-03-09T15:42:21
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I'll be there from Jersey.
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acgourley
2007-03-09T15:51:04
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Does shuzak have a YCN demographic? From browsing the site briefly I found it hard to tell if it was for me or for people who collect Star Trek christmas tree decorations.
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pg
2007-03-09T16:01:59
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Are there some features I could add that would make YC News itself do what you need in this respect?
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danw
2007-03-09T16:05:04
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'collect Star Trek christmas decorations'<p>Isnt that YCN? Kidding! It's a social network for geeks which sounds like us. Addmitedly I've barely used shuzak so I may be mistaken.
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jwecker
2007-03-09T16:14:42
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a photo upload per user so you can pick out someone you know here in a crowd, and a simple message queue (per user) would probably do it, imo.
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danw
2007-03-09T16:15:07
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I'm not sure if the facebook group is even going to be usefull apart from making it easier to find/contact other users. Now that we have an about field on profiles it will be easier to contact people. Anyone who wants to be contacted can stick a url/email in the field.<p>Perhaps the ability to send messages to users? Or to add people as 'friends'? There are some people who consistently add article that I like and it would be great if I could add them as a 'friend' and then look at a 'your friends submitted articles' page that would aggregate all the stories and perhaps comments submitted by the people on my friends list. It would let people look at new articles being submitted without being deluged like in the current 'new' page.<p>Anyone else think this feature would be good and actually used by us?
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aristus
2007-03-09T16:22:39
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Coming from Miami, looking to see if I still own a coat. :)<p>http://carlos.bueno.org/2007/03/startup-school-startup-culture.html
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T16:29:32
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I estimate that 85% of the people on there are hackers. In fact, there are a number of users involved in actually coding the social network. Moreover, there is a chatroom there so we may converse in real-time. <p>Here is the YC community: http://shuzak.com/Community.php?ID=6472
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aristus
2007-03-09T16:29:34
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Where in FL? I'm in Miami. Maybe we can meetup before or after.
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