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jwecker
2007-03-08T23:01:01
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I can tell you that at least for me that's when I try to read a chunk of new submissions regardless of existing score. Once something has a couple of points it is much more likely to continue to grow if it is worthwhile, but it takes slogging through a lot of crap sometimes, it seems, to find that underrated 1-point submission- even though there are plenty of them in there.
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python_kiss
2007-03-08T23:01:23
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I would abstain from complicating the user experience, though. In my experience, posting a topic has much more potential in gaining points than writing *thoughtful* comments. A good strategy to rise above that ranks is to post a bunch of interesting links; upon achieving high points, the user can then take a defensive stance by defending his or her opinions through posting comments instead.<p>The point is, from a user's perspective, there is more to gain from posting topics than comments.
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notabel
2007-03-08T23:03:34
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I'll be honest, I've not been nearly so good about doing my time on the 'new' page. In your experience, are there any strong patterns in good submissions? What I'm getting at is basically: are there any views on the new submissions list that would make finding the under-rated ones substantively simpler?
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notabel
2007-03-08T23:07:10
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That is certainly the status quo; I would ask, however, whether it is desirable. I think the system should provide more incentive for thoughtful comments, or at least some sort of disincentive for shotgun-style submissions. It is difficult to build karma by posting lots of comments; you have to put the effort into generating good content to get karma. The same should ideally be true for submissions; the difficulty, of course, is that since the content of submissions is generated by someone other than the submitter, simply posting lots of them /will/ eventually result in a karma-boosting hit.
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jwecker
2007-03-08T23:07:51
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Good point. On an unrelated note, however, your comment reminded me of another note I want to make: If your post is in response to a comment- please make sure and thread it. Because the site shows comments in the same nested level in different positions (either random or rotating or something, I haven't figured it out yet) each time the comments are loaded it gets real confusing if the comments aren't threaded correctly. There's plenty of horizontal space in the site's design so we shouldn't be reluctant to use it. The alternative, of course, is to quote what we're replying to.
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python_kiss
2007-03-08T23:09:06
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Copy-paste from my reply to jwecker: "From a user's perspective, there is more to gain from posting topics than comments." Top users are more active in the discussion because they are already high above the ranks. The top user doesn't have to spam the site to gain karma, we already have enough.
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woid
2007-03-08T23:12:23
Sorry for mistake, I was just playing with new bookmarklet :-(
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immad
2007-03-08T23:12:35
Advice for entrepreneurs negotiating venture capital term sheets
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python_kiss
2007-03-08T23:16:04
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Cain, if you're looking for up to date startup news, it is better to simply subscribe to rss blogs. Here are a few good ones: TC, Mashable, GigaOm, ReadWriteWeb, OnStartups, PaulGraham, Startup Reviews, The Startup Journey, etc.<p>On YC, it sometimes helps to simply sift through a user's past posts and comments.
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notabel
2007-03-08T23:16:04
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This is an interesting notion; there is an implicit assumption that the low-karma user has something to lose by posting comments. Am I missing something here?<p>I do see your point, though, wrt top users not spamming the site. That's largely why I liked your idea of throttling submission rates based on karma. New users should have to develop karma by being useful, rather than just prolific.
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jwecker
2007-03-08T23:17:01
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That's a tough q. for me- I generally have to just open 3 or 4 of them and make a decision of whether or not to up-mod it then do it again sometime later. Two kind of related thoughts, though, for those who don't spend a lot of time working on the "new" page:<p>If you concentrate on the top of the new page and like a submission and mod it, it will get exposure near the top of the top page and get some real good input usually, so that's the best place to start- just look at the 3 or 4 submissions at the top of the page and spend a few minutes.<p>Nevertheless, there are some amazing submissions that because they don't get a point in their first hour of existence (because everyone is eating lunch or busy submitting their own etc.) end up moving clear down the list without anything. If you want some good karma (the real kind) spend time with the 4 or 5 at the bottom of the list giving belated deserved credit for some posters.
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immad
2007-03-08T23:19:51
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I doubt any of the companies were too worried about getting some pre-launch buzz going through techcrunch.
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herdrick
2007-03-08T23:23:27
Financial centers are bad for software start ups.
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python_kiss
2007-03-08T23:23:30
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Exactly, the user with low-karma is better off posting topics than comments. Comments don't receive nearly as much points as topics do. Even worse, comments require far more thought than blindly submitting links. What is the economic gain the user with low-karma receive from posting comments? Not much.<p>I know I suggested it, but throttling submission rates based on karma might not be fair to the end users. Once a karma-archy is established, the rich will get richer at the expense of the poor.
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notabel
2007-03-08T23:27:58
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Well, I certainly hope that news.yc users are a bit more than Ricardo-programmed economic optimization automata. :) <p>One solution to older users having a perpetual advantage would be to implement some sort of aging of karma, or at least of the karma value used to determine throttling. Such a thing would actually be a win in terms of SNR--it doesn't really matter how karmic someone was a year ago, if they have only made low-quality posts/comments in the past month, they should be treated (in the submission system) as a low-karma user.
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python_kiss
2007-03-08T23:31:12
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We had a similar problem on our social network where users abstained from giving karma to thoughtful comments. Consequently, we coded an algo to add "+0.1 karma" to every user that gave another person "+1 karma". That was enough to take care of the problem.
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python_kiss
2007-03-08T23:36:34
MySpace Age Verification Bill Proposed!
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r0b
2007-03-08T23:41:19
Why becoming a publisher isn't worth it (instead, make the publishing tools)
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danielha
2007-03-08T23:50:12
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What we need is more incentive for active discussion among topics instead of a flurry of ho-hum links. The community built around the "news" is the most compelling part of YC News.<p>Incidently, the project I'm working on relates to this in many ways.
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jwecker
2007-03-08T23:54:50
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Another idea I mentioned elsewhere- if a story gets to the bottom of the new page without any up-marks at all it adversely affects the submitter's karma.
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danielha
2007-03-08T23:58:42
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"[...] constant flow of karma [...]"<p>I like how you put it because I've always thought of "karma"-type points in social networks as money -- social currency. We want to stimulate the "economy" by having an active exchange of karma through the community, encouraging more and more discussions and contributions. <p>python_kiss's comment about limiting karma is also an interesting thought. Inflation is something to ponder about in this analogy.
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T00:05:23
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All business is a niche business. Startups must put a conscious focus on segmenting their market to a small but sustainable size. I have emphasized the significance of this in my earlier articles:<p>http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/6_startup_lessons_2007.php http://m4th.com/Articles/Article.php?Article-Title=Anatomy-of-a-Successful-Social-Network
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danielha
2007-03-09T00:08:16
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I can see where we're heading with this idea. You're right -- to gain noteriety (karma), a user could easily engage in submission abuse. Submit enough links and enough will get upmodded.<p>Points, or karma, could be rewarded based off a ratio of useful contribution to total contributions instead. Such a system would encourage a user to make sure his contributions to the community are good. This would be beneficial implemented in any crowd-generated news site.<p>While not another news aggregator, our project is addressing similar types of issues in other channels. I am loving the applied relevancy to here already.
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joshwa
2007-03-09T00:17:36
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not so far as I know... don't know why it got marked dead.
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staunch
2007-03-09T00:18:54
Putting the Fun in Functional
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danielha
2007-03-09T00:20:07
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I think this should remain neutral. Ignoring a submissions DOES indicate its worthiness to a point, but sometimes things get missed. Only a true down-mod should degrade the submitter's reputation.
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juwo
2007-03-09T00:26:21
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T00:27:33
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lol! Here is a nice dissection of ads I did for another site cluttered with them: <p>http://shuzak.com/img/Temporary/SpammingUsers.jpg (The ads are highlighted in green)<p>An excerpt from an article I wrote on user experience that seems relevant here:<p>"One thing I particularly dislike about Web 2.0 startups is their Web 1.0 approach towards displaying advertisements. It shouldn't take an Einstein to realize where Google ads are appropriate and where they are not...Note that there is nothing wrong with displaying ads as long as it makes sense to do so. If you have no ads on your site, you will not make money off of it. If you have too many ads on your site, nobody is going to click on them.<p>It is unfortunate that nearly every social network spam's their own users with unwanted ads. The users are less likely to notice advertisements as the frequency of ads increases within a site. Even worse, because the users are so used to seeing ads popup, they might ignore them even when they do make sense [6]. Usability should always be prioritized over revenues. When a user chooses to spend 20 minutes of their life on your website, they could be spending that time anywhere else, but they chose your site. Don't reward their loyalty with spam [7]."
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jwecker
2007-03-09T00:29:02
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:)
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danielha
2007-03-09T00:30:25
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I'm not a fan of threaded nature of comments. It's done to faciliate exactly that -- commenting, and does not provide for a proper discussion environment. It's difficult to follow a discussion from start to finish when popular comments are placed at the top.
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T00:42:19
Moore's Law 2.0
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T00:43:08
Is Web Advertising Doomed? (Video)
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http://blogs.business2.com/business2blog/2007/03/is_web_advertis.html
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T01:08:06
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lol! Like you, we rss hoggers don't sleep either :p I think most posts on here are a result of users aggregating through rss feeds to post whatever's hot on the web.<p>Bury should work fine (perhaps it should only be accessible by top users to avoid abuse). Another possible solution is to survey the user's past behavior to create a collaborative filter. The filtered news could then be displayed in a "Recommended" tab. As yc.news grows to a certain critical level, this might just become a necessity.
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danw
2007-03-09T01:24:59
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Nice, looks like I can relegate my own YC news bookmarklet to the bin since yours works better :)<p>Coming next: A 'YC this!' button to add to your own blog posts! (kidding, unless there's actual demand?)
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zzee
2007-03-09T01:39:04
tteach! School 2.0. Interactive Online Knowledge Sharing (coming soon).
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zach
2007-03-09T01:40:36
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Here's one I ran across earlier today. It's the full monty -- he runs his startup completely on EC2.<p>http://niblets.wordpress.com/2007/02/16/how-i-set-up-my-ec2-instance-for-rails-litespeed/
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zzee
2007-03-09T01:41:42
News Workspace Tool
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richcollins
2007-03-09T01:43:12
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I disagree.<p>I thought it was one of the best events for networking with other hackers that I have ever been to. Everyone there was knowledgeable as well as driven and energetic. I was up until the wee hours of the morning on both nights talking shop with other entrepreneurs and programmers. I actually met my company's co-founder during the first startup school.
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amichail
2007-03-09T01:45:10
What would happen if you could patent ideas? Would we see more novel startups?
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amichail
2007-03-09T01:46:05
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One could make the argument that more people would be willing to pursue more novel startups with the protection of an idea patent.
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drop19
2007-03-09T01:48:39
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isn't one of the things that makes the US good for startups the fact that we have one large unified market? If you only read this post you might think it would be better to start in a European country. I guess the takeaway would be, you can turn your limitation (relatively small home market) into a strength (use your niche)
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zzee
2007-03-09T01:48:42
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I genuinely believe if you could patent ideas...the world would be a dangerous place. With regard to more novelty - not a chance. If the idea is good enough, do what you have to do to make it happen.
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JMiao
2007-03-09T01:51:18
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I think Startup School is a great opportunity to meet other hackers and, hopefully, form meaningful relationships with like-minded peers.<p>I'm from Los Angeles where the startup community is generally lacking -- the idea of "entrepreneurship" is somewhere along the lines of things like starting an event planning company or making indie films.<p>As a result, I'm really looking forward to Startup School as a chance to meet potential co-founders.
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drop19
2007-03-09T01:51:55
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I would reduce the size of the headlines that are links; I think that's what gives it a lot of the squatting-site feel others have commented on.
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domp
2007-03-09T01:58:44
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I don't like this concept of patenting ideas. Coming up with a great idea is just a small factor of making it successful. It seems that this would result in a crazy amount of patents that would mostly never amount to anything but act as a safety to the idea man.
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lupin_sansei
2007-03-09T02:02:17
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The fact that the Banner market advertising collapsed is beside the point. Little guys could never afford banner advertising in 1999, as Yahoo's minimum cost was something like $10,000.<p>Google offered something which little guys could afford, was more relevant to readers, and attracted higher clickthroughs, so Google's Adsense would have done very well even if it did compete with Doubleclick in 1999.<p>To use a cliche, Adsense gets the "long tail" of advertising.
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notabel
2007-03-09T02:12:36
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An addendum, stimulated by dinner with dfranke: under certain assumptions about the growth rate of the community, karma ages without any algorithmic intervention: as the community grown, the number of moderators grows, and so the mean and maximum moderation per post increases. As a result, new post are effectively weighted relative to old posts.<p>The problems, of course, are that there is some fixed point, and also that news.yc may not fit the growth model that makes the above true for a community like Reddit--and that may be a good thing.
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lupin_sansei
2007-03-09T02:14:38
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Also is there any evidence that Google picked up lots of out of work engineers after the Bubble? On the contrary Google seems to have attracted people away from other companies.
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lupin_sansei
2007-03-09T02:51:13
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You obviously haven't watched the IT Crowd: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=it+crowd&search=Search
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dfranke
2007-03-09T03:07:16
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This is Y Combinator. We *like* fixed points.
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jamiequint
2007-03-09T03:16:33
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I think what makes the US a good market is that is has a large general market, which is strong because its size produces more opportunities due to bigger niches not due to sheer size and certainly not due to homogeneity.
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marcell
2007-03-09T03:19:57
Web 2.0 companies face a problem: too many users in the wrong countries
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dfranke
2007-03-09T03:50:40
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I've never used Digg, but from what I read of them, their burying system is working out rather poorly. Burying a story on Digg requires an O(1) number of votes, so anything controversial gets buried even if 90% of users agree that it's an excellent article. A simple up/down model like Reddit's seems like a better idea, but see the top-level comment that I'll have posted in about two minutes.
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dfranke
2007-03-09T03:59:26
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I think there are a couple reasonable assumptions about high-karma users that we can work to our advantage:<p>1. They tend to spend more time reading the "new" queue than average, because they spend enough time on the site to exhaust "top" and want to read more.<p>2. They're more likely than average to be open-minded about controversial stories as well as less tolerant of inane ones. If they spend more time on the site, then it's more to their advantage to promote interesting stuff rather than promote an agenda. It's dumb to piss in your own pond.<p>Here's what I propose: high-karma users get more voting power over *young* stories, to enable them to police the "new" queue and out-muscle spammers and voting rings. After stories are a few hours old, high-karma users no longer get a boost if they haven't voted on them yet. If high-karma users have already voted on a story when it reaches the aging threshold, the boost goes away for upvotes but not for downvotes. That way: <p>1. Bad stories never see the light of day, because high-karma users bury them and they stay buried.<p>2. Controversial stories will make the front page, but they don't stay there long if the rest of the community doesn't like them.<p>3. Good stories make it to the front page slightly faster.
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zach
2007-03-09T04:29:49
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Hey JMiao, I'm in LA too. Email me at lalife.com if you want to talk shop some time!
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Elfan
2007-03-09T04:30:27
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As I recall reddit has over 50% of their traffic from outside the United States.
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aseemb
2007-03-09T04:32:06
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I understand most of these points completely. The problem I am having is finding the RIGHT cofounder. I have run with my idea for about 18 months now, and I am now just starting to get serious about it from a business stand point. Now I am frantically looking for cofounders to join me but everybody seems like they are missing a key component. A lot of people are "stoked" about the idea and thought of starting their own company and are great to bounce ideas off of, but when it comes down to it they just don’t do the work. I don’t want to settle just to find a cofounder quickly, but I also feel like investors won’t take me as seriously unless I have a founding team.<p>What do you think? <p>
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zach
2007-03-09T04:34:14
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That's great! I wish I got in on some of that, but for whatever reason I didn't. I agree the caliber of people was great, which is why it was frustrating not to be able to meet more of them.
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Elfan
2007-03-09T04:34:47
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This sounds a lot like a business method patent, which is generally considered a very bad idea.<p>A startup that faces no competition for 14 years isn't going to be a worthwhile one anyway.
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Elfan
2007-03-09T04:37:19
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Moore's law seems to die and rise from the ashes every 18 months or so.
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lupin_sansei
2007-03-09T04:41:48
Index of Economic Freedom 2007 - Rankings
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lupin_sansei
2007-03-09T04:46:47
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Reminds me of peak oil
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dfranke
2007-03-09T04:47:34
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There is no absolute Right supply of either fiat money or karma. If every dollar bill in everyone's wallet magically turned into two, the price of everything would double and nobody would be materially affected. Similarly, doubling everyone's karma and causing the up arrow to give two points rather than one would have no material effect.<p>Inflation matters when you factor in time. Inflation encourages risk. It makes your current savings become less valuable in the future, encouraging you to try to increase your wealth to compensate. Too much inflation encourages too much risk, and you get a bubble.<p>Money is valuable because it can be exchanged for scarce resources. Karma is valuable because it gets you attention, which is a scarce resource. There are two kinds of attention: visibility of articles and visibility on the leader board. Karma is the cause of the latter, but only a byproduct of the former. There are a fixed number of articles on the front page and a fixed number of spots on the leader board, but both become more valuable as the community grows, because more eyeballs means more attention.<p>At this point, the money analogy breaks down. Money is both a unit of accounting and a medium of exchange. Karma is only a unit of accounting. It tells us how wealthy we are, but we can't exchange it for other wealth. Attention doesn't behave like a commodity either. If we give and receive the same amount of attention, that's not the same as simply doing nothing.<p>So, news.yc really doesn't behave anything like a conventional economy. If any analogy can be drawn at all, I'd say that we're in a state of deflation. As long as the community continues to grow, producing articles now is less profitable than producing articles later.
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pg
2007-03-09T04:54:34
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We have some software for dealing with spammers and voting rings. It's not that visible, but it's there.
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dawie
2007-03-09T05:00:22
Awesome tools for creating Web 2.0 sites and services
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pg
2007-03-09T05:03:24
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We're actively trying to avoid the nastiness that seems to take over so many online discussions. That's why there are fewer down-arrows here, for example. I suspect that down arrows are more often clicked on stupidly than up arrows, that if you don't have down arrows you give people fewer ways to inject stupidity into the system.<p>I'll probably never get around to supporting bold text in comments either, for the same reason. <p>To some extent news.yc is protected by being about a topic only a small number of comparatively smart people care about. With any luck we'll never have the full-blown trolls you find on general news sites. I have some ideas for solutions if trolls do start to appear.
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dfranke
2007-03-09T05:06:41
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Dang, already? Sounds like Arc is working out well.<p>Still, though, any statstical approach (which is what I assume you're using) is going to have some lag because you have to wait for a statistically-significant sample. You can catch any given offender after he's caused an O(1) amount of trouble, but if the offenders don't correlate with each other, you can get overwhelmed by a sufficiently large number of them. Spammers certainly do correlate with each other, but it's not obvious that voting rings do.
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pg
2007-03-09T05:09:09
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About 40%. I don't know what we're going to do next year if this keeps up. We'll have to recruit people to help us read the applications.
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dawie
2007-03-09T05:14:07
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Do you use any of these tools? I used basecamp before and I would like to add oDesk to the list
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dawie
2007-03-09T05:27:55
List of Interesting Websites
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bgold
2007-03-09T05:32:03
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the article's no longer available
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bgold
2007-03-09T05:35:04
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ClickTale should be in any new startup's arsenal. Saves the need for expensive, old-school usability testing.
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volida
2007-03-09T05:37:18
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the point of the patent is to protect your work for discovering/implementating a method that is not state-of-art for solving a problem, not patent the problem(idea) it self. Thats why you can have many methods (i.e many patents) solving the same problem...<p>Of course you can patent also business processes and designs...
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bgold
2007-03-09T05:52:27
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Careful with the wording. WordPress isn't fully supporting OpenID, and this can be dangerous. They're acting as an identity provider without also acting as a service provider.<p>It's true that WordPress users can use their blogs as OpenIDs to login elsewhere, but users who already have OpenIDs can't use them at WordPress.<p>Unless service providers implement the entire spec and treat all OpenID users as first-class citizens, regardless of identity provider, then there's really no interoperability here. What's the point of an OpenID if you can't use it at other "OpenID-enabled" sites like WordPress?
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bgold
2007-03-09T05:56:26
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Is anyone else from Los Angeles interested in something similar? uWink would be a pretty sweet meetup spot.
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bgold
2007-03-09T05:57:58
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Where in LA are you guys? I'm in Pasadena.
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gaz
2007-03-09T06:00:26
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people will pursue novel start up ideas if they feel it would be profitable to do so. you get more innovation by having many companies competing on the same ideas and trying to outdo each other.
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jamiequint
2007-03-09T06:01:56
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have you heard of marketocracy? I know they have been around for a while.
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T06:02:23
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^ ah, sounds like communism :p<p>I've joined well over 50 social networks and what I've noitced is that freedom to choose appeals more to people than the right choices already made for them. More features, more niches, more startups, more choice. Users might complain about features, but fundamentally they like choice.<p>The more time a user spends making choices on a network, the more loyal he or she becomes. You don't spend 12 hours of your life customizing your profile if you don't plan on sticking to it.<p>Lastly, too much of anything is bad. The state should have control over medical supplies, education and energy. But beyond that, it should trust the consumer with running the country.
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jonmc12
2007-03-09T06:19:37
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I've started a few ventures, 2 solo, 1 w/ partner, 2 w/ partners. For me, its just a matter of knowing my strengths, knowing the goal, and then being resourceful.<p>Having a partner is one solution to a missing set of needs - but it also comes with a lot of baggage in many cases. Getting meaninful perspectives can come from anywhere if you have a good network and leverage it. Massive workloads can be solved with leadership skills, effecient use of capital and human resource management.<p>First time around sure wish I had a partner - I was crazy to be on my own. Now, I feel like a partner has to be a very strong fit to be best alternative.<p>
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dfranke
2007-03-09T06:27:43
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I think you're doing the right thing by retaining the down arrow on comments, however. When someone writes a comment you dislike, there are four things you can do with it:<p>1. Ignore it<p>2. Downmod it<p>3. Write a quick reply<p>4. Write a thoughtful reply<p>Option 4 is ideal, of course, if you have the time, but you usually don't. Quick replies are what we want to avoid. That's how flamewars start. Ignoring the post is going to be unsatisfactory for the flamewar-prone. That leaves the down-arrow as a sort of relief valve. So I think its presence can actually reduce nastiness.
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JMiao
2007-03-09T06:32:36
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I actually just moved up to Palo Alto in January, but thanks for the post.
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dfranke
2007-03-09T06:48:59
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This anecdote doesn't prove much, and the writer doesn't even seem to understand the difference between angels and VCs. There are plenty of absurd valuations out there.
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lupin_sansei
2007-03-09T06:54:06
Web 2.0 Media: The Truth That No One Telling You About The 1 Million Digg's Users
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T06:58:08
Confirmed: Microsoft Building Google Apps/Zoho Competitor!
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python_kiss
2007-03-09T07:03:52
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Matthew comments: "It seems that Microsoft is just trying to compete with other companies rather than find out what the consumer wants. They move into so many areas because they can't stand someone else being the market leader in a given sector. Apple dominates the mp3 player so Microsoft brings out the Zune and of course it doesn't sell well because it's not what people want. Apple announces the iPhone, Microsoft criticizes it then announces their phone. Now Google Apps. Man, Microsoft needs to grow up and find out what people want before Google takes them to task with Apps."
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RyanGWU82
2007-03-09T07:28:37
So, who's going to Startup School?
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RyanGWU82
2007-03-09T07:29:01
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I'll be there. :)<p>-- Ryan Park, Stanford grad student
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danielha
2007-03-09T07:43:43
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I'll be there as well. I'm looking forward to meeting the lot of you. :)<p>We have a meetup discussion going in here: http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=2757<p>It'd be great to meet the startup community "after school," so let's decide on a place.
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jasonyan
2007-03-09T07:45:39
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Count me in. :)
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jwecker
2007-03-09T07:53:09
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I noticed that the other day- no down arrows on replies to your comments. Very nice.
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danielha
2007-03-09T07:54:12
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Startup school replies just came in. Let's go ahead and decide that meeting place in Palo Alto.<p>The school ends at 5:30, so we should all meet at 6 and discuss what we've learned.
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notabel
2007-03-09T07:59:08
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Aha! I'd not had the realization that the the downmod arrow only appears probabilistically. It meshes interestingly with a notion that dfranke and I were discussing earlier tonight, namely the appropriate ratio of up to down mods. By controlling the prevalence of options to downmod, you can exert some control over that ration--very sly. :)
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comatose_kid
2007-03-09T07:59:14
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python_kiss: I don't really know that inspiration is the main yardstick by which I would judge the value of this video. I like your title better, but I can't retroactively change the title. This video has been referenced by Marc Hedlund (Wesabe founder, previously Oreilly's entrepreneur in residence) as containing valuable suggestions for entrepreneurs:<p>http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/03/jedi_build_thei.html
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jamiequint
2007-03-09T08:02:37
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I'll be there, just got my invite, I made a facebook group so we can all chat & talk about meeting up...<p>http://up.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2251607090<p>anyone else coming from out of town? (I'm coming down from Portland, OR)
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notabel
2007-03-09T08:05:52
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I'm prone to think that pg's algorithm is, to some extent, content based. I have no real evidence to support this, just the evangelism in "A Plan for Spam."
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JMiao
2007-03-09T08:10:16
Startup School Meetup
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JMiao
2007-03-09T08:15:48
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As I mentioned in a previous thread, I'd like to organize a Palo Alto meetup amongst Startup School/YC News participants.<p>If you're interested in getting together for dinner and a evening of interesting company, please e-mail:<p>StartupSchool2007 [at] gmail [dot] com<p>I'll gladly put together some form of mailing list detailing meetup details, etc.
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zaidf
2007-03-09T08:24:39
Demo Day: Y Combinator's Spring Chicks
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pashle
2007-03-09T08:25:00
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bgold, here's the updated link to the article - http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/16866987.htm
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